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---Logopened Mon Jul 16 00:00:10 2007
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00:00<chealer>k-man_: bugs.d.o should tell you about reporting
00:01<velixzeen>ok, yes beryl should work, I hear beryl is smarter code
00:02<k-man_>so there is no web interface for reporting bugs?
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00:02<chealer>k-man_: no
00:03<k-man_>just checking :)
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00:06<buji>thanks to all
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00:07<dondelelcaro>k-man_: just run reportbug to report bugs.
00:07<k-man_>dondelelcaro, yeah, i'm currently filling it in :)
00:08<k-man_>dondelelcaro, your on both irc servers too :)
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00:08<freight>lava: lost you, everything ok?
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00:10<k-man_>actually, before i report the bug, its a bug where lirc-modules-source will not compile against linux-source-2.6.22rc7
00:10<k-man_>is it valid to report the bug against an experimental kernel?
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00:11<k-man_>maybe i should try it with a non experimental kernel first
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00:11<Elive_user56>hei hei
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00:12<seanp2k>got it working
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00:12<seanp2k>forgot to bring up my interface with ifconfig for a while lol DUH
00:12<seanp2k>i was like man i know i configured this card right, why is the signal at 0
00:12<streuner>!tell seanp2k abut elive
00:12<chealer>k-man_: it's not officially valid, but it's unlikely that a LKM which doesn't compile with 2.6.22rc7 will compile with
00:13<streuner>!tell seanp2k about elive
00:13<k-man_>chealer, so i should go ahead and report
00:13<k-man_>i have bug reporting fear
00:13<k-man_>the package maintainers might get annoyed that i'm spamming the list or something
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00:14<chealer>k-man_: it can be useful anyway. don't be afraid of reporting it. it may be already known, but that's not the end of the world.
00:14<k-man_>chealer, i have triple checked, afaict, there is no similar bug report
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00:15<velixzeen>seanp2k: there was an iso that flash plugin was broken. In that case you just had to remove it and apt-get install it again.
00:16<velixzeen>but iso md5sum has changed now, so you may not have that bug, just a warning
00:16<seanp2k>ima try youtube out right now
00:16<seanp2k>so they have a DEB of this for regular debian?
00:17<velixzeen>of flash?
00:17<chealer>k-man_: it's already reported as #399135, just not at the right severity.
00:17<chealer>k-man_: that bug is grave for unstable, feel free to upgrade it.
00:18<chealer>actually, testing
00:19<k-man_>chealer, it doesn't actually say where it fails in that bug
00:20<k-man_>so i'm not convinced its exactly the same problem, but the result is the same
00:20<k-man_>can't compile the modules
00:20<velixzeen>well, not sure, someone is testing on elive channel now, I don't know enough about it yet.
00:21<velixzeen>But you can add the repo and install elive packages from there. In theory it will work
00:21<seanp2k>i think what i might do is install standard debian then get this working on top of it
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00:21<velixzeen>yes, that would be interesting
00:22<velixzeen> gpg --keyserver --recv-keys D5E81909; gpg
00:22<velixzeen> --export D5E81909 | sudo apt-key add -
00:22<streuner>yes, interesting, but make us a favor and dont ask here then
00:22<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system.
00:23<streuner>... the same goes with different "debian-based" distros.
00:24<velixzeen>no, not a chance, it would be a waste of time
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00:24<k-man_>chealer, how do I upgrade it to grave for unstable?
00:26<chealer>k-man_: send a mail with the content "severity 399135 grave" to
00:26<k-man_>does it matter what I set the subject to?
00:27<jm_>brave sid users ...
00:27<chealer>k-man_: no. "Upgrade" would be fine.
00:28<k-man_>chealer, actually, 399135 is merged with 400494
00:28<chealer>k-man_: the reports give a clue about what the real bug is ("The include of linux/config.h cant be make.")
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00:28<k-man_>is there anything wrong with upgrading 400494 instead?
00:28<k-man_>cos I posted more bug info to 400494
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00:29<chealer>k-man_: right. upgrading the original report will "automatically" upgrade the duplicate one.
00:29<k-man_>or upgrading both even
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00:32<k-man_>chealer, thanks for your guidance by the way :)
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01:35<tmg1|chthulhu>what could possibly be causing the following; when I run iceweasel from the bash prompt, it doesn't run at all. However, If I run it on a seperate computer(displaying it on this one), and *then* run iceweasel from the bash prompt, then it works fine?
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01:36<dondelelcaro>tmg1|chthulhu: it's actually not displaying it from that computer.
01:37<dondelelcaro>tmg1|chthulhu: but you'd have to see what the exit code is from the firefox script; if I were to guess, firefox was still running, but wasn't responding or was getting ready to stop or similar.
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01:40<tmg1|chthulhu>I think you're right dondelelcaro, it seems to just be clever enough to know that another computer is trying to run it on the same display. thanks
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01:40<tmg1|chthulhu>or not
01:40<dondelelcaro>tmg1|chthulhu: yeah; what it basically does is if DISPLAY is set, it tries to contact the running firefox and tells it to display a URL.
01:40<dondelelcaro>tmg1|chthulhu: there are ways of forcing it not to do that, but that's what it's doing by default.
01:41<tmg1|chthulhu>or yes
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01:46<tmg1|chthulhu>it's a very confusion feature, either way
01:46<dondelelcaro>well, in general it just does the right thing
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01:48<dli>tmg1|chthulhu, try : MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 iceweasel
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01:48<dli>tmg1|chthulhu, or launch the firefox-bin directly: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin
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01:49<jm_>it's the instance crap in the shell script causing this - one would expect you'd be able to override it
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01:51<dli>jm_, they designed this feature for good reasons, but I just don't get it. If I launch firefox on a remote server, I do want it run there. if I simply want to display a remote file link, I can do that via sshfs or nfs
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01:52<jm_>dli: I am not saying it's a bad default behavior, just that it would sometimes be nice to specify your own without launching the binary (which is not in PATH) or editing the script
01:53<dli>jm_, it confused me a lot. may be the right way for gurus, but for most users, it's more like trash by design
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02:02<jstevens>I switched wireless pcmcia cards, now the wireless is eth2 ... where do I go to change it back to eth1 ?
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02:18<jstevens>jm_ nice... that's exactly what I needed, I forgot that udev had that stuff
02:18<jstevens>jm_ thanks !
02:19<jm_>jstevens: no worries
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02:22<jstevens>now if only I could figure out how to configure the gunze touchscreen...
02:22<jstevens>** make that calibrate **
02:24<jstevens>entuall: 'mornin
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02:36<hollo>how do i do a quick scan for online computers on my network?
02:37<hollo>i guess i could use nmap... but not sure how to do a quick scan..
02:41<jstevens>man nmap ...
02:42<gsimmons>hollo: Use nmap to do a ping scan via -sP.
02:42<jstevens>nmap has a flag for quick scan
02:42<jstevens>ok, that's what I was trying to remember (couldn't remember what the flag was off the top of my head)
02:43<hollo>gsimmons, thank you.. very useful :)
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02:46<plm156>this is the news url for lateset i386 debian installer ?
02:46<jstevens>plm156: and?
02:47<plm156>that has no i386
02:47<plm156>right ?
02:50<plm156>is there a way to install sid with debian installer ? / how is sid installed ?
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02:53<dondelelcaro>plm156: in general, if you have to ask, you should stick with testing
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02:54<DTE>hi all
02:55<suiside>plm156: install etch, modify your sources.list (sid/unstable instead of etch/stable) and dist-upgrade to sid, but agreed, if you haven't got pressign reasons just stick with stable or testing
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02:55<DTE>i need some advice to build a little cluster (2 hosts)
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02:55<DTE>i'd like to build it with heartbeat, drbd and ldirectord
02:56<DTE>to make it to do load balancing but also fail over
02:56<DTE>the thing that gives me soma problems
02:57<DTE>is how to set up drbd to be writable to both host and wich file system to use on it
02:57<DTE>has anybody esperience in such configuration?
02:58<dli>DTE, what software does auto balancing?
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02:59<DTE>of course it uses lvs
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03:10<Crypticfortune>anyone familiar with getting the optical out to work on an Envy24PT soundcard? (I just borrowed some optical-equipt speakers and am trying, but failing, to get any sound out of them)
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03:11<plm156>suiside, i have done that thanks
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03:12<plm156>dondelelcaro, lets say i want to get busy, is there any doc ?
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03:13<dondelelcaro>plm156: not really, because when you're ready for unstable, you'll have read man sources.list; and will know what to change to get it.
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03:14<dondelelcaro>(I should note that that is a necessary criteria though, not a sufficient one.)
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03:15<plm156>dondelelcaro, i have sid, i am asking if there is a way to install sid to empty hard disk even through another installation
03:16[~]blaheva is away: I'm busy........
03:16<DTE>plm156: minimal etch install and them dist-upgrade to sid
03:17<jm_>plm156: which just tells us you are not ready to use it
03:19<plm156>jm_, i want to experiment but i can find no reference doc
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03:22<bcochofel>In what debian package can I find bsetbg and xlock?
03:23<plm156>only this
03:23<dondelelcaro>!tell bcochofel -about search
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03:30<suiside>plm156: I fail to see what the problem is, you asked howto install sid and several people answered, you know, unstable is called unstable for a reason, if you want to experiment then do so but don't come crying when things brake. and isn't experimenting about figuring things out on your own, if you need a reference manual to experiment then we are propably talking different languages here =)
03:32<bcochofel>dondelelcaro: well, I've done that but still can't find xlock
03:32<plm156>suiside, i wont be coming crying but there is nowhere an iso saying, "i am installing debian sid boot me
03:33<suiside>bcochofel:, use the content search
03:33<dondelelcaro>considering the number of infected computers in china which are sending spam, I rather doubt they're capable of following up on dns queries or random speach like that.
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03:34<dondelelcaro>bcochofel: uh... if you read all of what dpkg said, you'd have visited and used the search form at the bottom of the page
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03:36<bcochofel>dondelelcaro: yep, and I only come up with usr/share/doc/libpam-ldap/examples/pam.d/xlock admin/libpam-ldap
03:37<bcochofel>not the binary
03:37<bcochofel>is it gone?
03:37<jm_>use xlockmore
03:38<jm_>ahh it's not in Sarge, tough luck
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03:40<bcochofel>jm_: I'm using etch
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03:41<jm_>bcochofel: I should say it's not in Etch
03:42<bcochofel>jm_: is there any equivalent to xlock on etch?
03:42<bcochofel>I only need a program to lock the screen
03:42<jm_>bcochofel: xscreensaver
03:42<jm_>so the answer is yes
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03:43<bcochofel>jm_: it runs like a daemon, right? I was looking for a binary only but I guess I have to settle for xscreensaver
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03:43<jm_>bcochofel: then compile xlockmore yourself, that's what I did
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03:43<bcochofel>jm_: well, it's a way. thx
03:45<suiside>bcochofel: or then you can use the xlockmore package from testing as long as the dependencies are met
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03:47<bcochofel>suiside: well, I'm using a devel workstation, I believe I'm better compiling xlockmore then trying to use it from testing. Maybe I'll give a try first on my testing machine
03:48<suiside>well, your call
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03:54<dondelelcaro>xscreensaver may even be easier...
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03:55<jm_>you can also use it like xlockmore and tell it to lock the desktop (even from command line)
03:56<dondelelcaro>xscreensaver-command -lock
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05:22<DTE>i got many problem with tetex
05:22<DTE>i have to install it because i want to compile some source code
05:22<DTE>i install tetex-bin and i get a lot of errors
05:23<DTE>i get: No alternatives for oxdvi.bin.
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05:24<DTE>and then all error processing etc etc
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05:30<DTE>uhm...mea culpa :-)
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05:35<buffoon_work>i installed debian on a usb stick. it should become a portable OS for AntiVirus Scanning. The Problem i have is now that currently it is configured to use /dev/sdc1 as root file system but it won't boot on a system with more or less then 2 SATA/SCSI disks. Can I work with Partition Labels (the / partition on the stick is labeled usb-kav) or tell udev that it should put that storage always at /dev/sda?
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05:35<buffoon_work>grub is working without problems, that maps this storage always as "(hd0)"
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05:36<jm_>you can use either approach, labels is much easier
05:37<jm_>(but not all filesystems work with that)
05:38<buffoon_work>filesystem is ext2
05:38<suiside>buffoon_work: you can use the partition UUID as the identifier in /etc/fstab
05:39<jm_>ext2 will work
05:40<buffoon_work>so i should tell udev that it should map the partition labeled "usb-kav" to /dev/usbroot and then put /dev/usbroot as / in the fstab right?
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05:41<jm_>no, using labels/UUID implies special syntax in fstab, read the man page
05:43<buffoon_work>cool, didn't thought that this is possible... going on reading manpages then... thanks
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06:01<buffoon_work>seems to work fine now... thank you again
06:03<jm_>I wonder how debian live does this
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06:51<klys>nwhat kind f system you got there?
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06:52<Mardus>I have a defective hard drive on which there is a running 3.1 system and I need to transfer files from that one to a new hard drive's system's user's home directory. Do I need to change file/user rights?
06:53<jm_>not if you transfer entire installation
06:53<klys>only cp -dpR == cp -a, it may give you errors about transferring ownership, though that's just entertaining. keep the dates
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06:53<klys>and make sure the drive is cooled down for a while before you run fsck on ext2 or ext3
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06:54<Mardus>klys: Well, I don't think there is much reason to keep the dates. I have ext3 on it, but I've been living with knowledge that the drive has been defective for more than just the entire lifetime of this system.
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06:54<klys>still, when it's not you it pays to be of service
06:55<Mardus>klys: running fsck on it, you mean? The reason was that a friend didn't have a working laptop, so I quickly brought the first one that got into my hands.
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06:56[~]klys is beginning to understand which machine the laptop is mentioned
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06:56<Mardus>klys: I brought the defective one and fitted it into his desktop, because his Windows laptop wouldn't work either because of a virus or a registry corruption or both. My friend doesn't like logging in to a system that
06:57<Mardus>klys: ... that sprouts errors lefts and right when activating gnome
06:57<klys>so how long has the defective HDD been powered up?
06:58<Mardus>I dunno, my friend has been using Knoppix instead...
06:58<Mardus>klys: ^^
06:58<klys>so it's not on now, you mean? (you would know)
06:58<Mardus>klys: It is on now, this is the system and HDD from which I am chatting with you
06:58<klys>oh, you're using the desktop
06:59<klys>if you can avoid it, don't keep a defective HDD running
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07:00<Mardus>klys: The laptop is fine. I had an emotional hangover over the laptop because I could have saved its WinXP system, but lost the rihgt moment and I let Windows boot and thus erase all necessary backup data from system restore, which I should have copied before... So, the laptop's owner got his Windows reinstalled.
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07:01<Mardus>klys: The defective hard drive does not have any critical data on it; I wanted my friend to have a working system from which to just go online and other simple stuff.
07:02<Mardus>klys: It appears to me that he didn't like the post-login errors, so he resorted to using Knoppix anyway.
07:02<klys>touch /etc/skel/hushlogin
07:02<klys>I mean: touch /etc/skel/.hushlogin
07:02<Mardus>klys: The errors were about launching gnome components
07:02<klys>post-login (oh) you mean from gnome or after gdm
07:03<klys>use etch gnome I don't think unstable gnome is stable enough
07:03<Mardus>klys: The login screen was fine and I bet if he were savvy enough he'd had lived fine in CLI
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07:03[~]klys uses `startx' with Xorg on tty25
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07:04<Mardus>klys: tty25??
07:04<klys>yeah, all the others are plugh (with gettydefs)
07:05<Mardus>klys: Methinks that you must be running a very special system there...
07:05<klys>it's pretty cool, see gatesay M275 (out of production by last year)
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07:06<Mardus>klys: I didn't understand the plugh and gettydefs parts
07:06<klys>it's (google plugh) plugh: you're logged in!
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07:07<Th|sD|cK>i installed flash plugin, but i don't watch video
07:07<klys>I also have console-tools with a large font for ~82 columns on my 1024x768 framebuffer
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07:08<klys>Th|sD|cK: did iceweasel install it for you?
07:08<Th|sD|cK>i install manually
07:09<klys>Th|sD|cK: try from in the browser, I'm unclear on the problem
07:09<Mardus>Th|sDÅÅ|cK: I sved the flash player in the browser problem (there was no audio) with installing it from within the home directory
07:09<Th|sD|cK>in the browser there's not any plugins to install
07:09<Mardus>* Th|sÃD|cK: ^^ * saved
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07:10<Th|sD|cK>i follow
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07:10<Mardus>ThÅÅ|sDK: I did, too, but I also combed around other resources
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07:12<klys>Th|sD|cK: I have mine from, at the plugins for firefox
07:12<klys>it was so simple
07:12<Mardus>* Th|sD|ck: Your username is kinda difficult... For the pipe, I have to type AltGr+<
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07:12<Mardus>klys: Oh well, had I known... I usually tend to choose the difficult option...
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07:14[~]jamess rants about not being able to find a sata cable
07:14<Mardus>So what do I do with transferring files? I'll be assigning the same username for the new system anyay (which I think I must dist-upgrade twice) and I gather I need to change their permissions. What about ownership? (I'm currently in the company of up to ten people, quite near a large speaker that's blaring rock music, and they are celebrating my friend's birthday. Well, the day is young...)
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07:17<klys>did you bring your camera?
07:18<Aleric>How am I supposed to link with a boost library? Some libraries end in .a, others in .so.1.33.1. Many have many different versions (-mt, -d, -mt-d, or no flags). Not all have symlinks from .so to whatever either :/
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07:20<klys>the debug versions should have symlinks (icbw)
07:20<Aleric>They don't
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07:21<klys>well, link your strip to /bin/true and rebuild
07:21<Aleric>I just installed libboost-dbg
07:21<Aleric>This is debian right? :)
07:21[~]klys looing
07:22<Cav_>Hi, can anyone give me any help getting a areca hardware RAID contoller to work in Debian?
07:22<klys>libboost-dbg: These libraries are built with debug symbols.
07:24<DTE>Cav_: in the newst kernel there is the driver
07:24<Aleric>I even ran 'ldconfig' manually, but that made no difference.
07:24<Cav_>yea, i have the driver in: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/arcmsr/arcmsr.ko
07:24<Cav_>but still cant see the drive?
07:24<klys>aleric: just link with the .a file
07:27<Aleric>Only program_options has symlinks - and so does serialization, but that one only has symlinks for .a
07:27<DTE>Cav_: did you set up the raid?
07:27<Mardus>klys: I don't have a camera...
07:27<klys>too bad
07:27<Aleric>klys: How is one supposed to link to date_time, given that installation (debian testing):
07:27<Mardus>klys: There's like several people with mobile phones and camera, but I sometimes feel like the Amish around all the other modern peoples
07:27<Mardus>klys: mobiles phones with built-in cameras
07:27<Cav_>yes, the raid is ready to go as far as i know. in the debian install it was there as a single drive listed alongside the small single drive used for the system
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07:28<klys>aleric: someone, somewhere else, has libboost_date_time-gcc.a
07:28<klys>in /usr/lib
07:29<klys>mardus: so is it a cool dance party or a laugh out
07:29<Aleric>klys: apt-file search libboost_date_time-gcc.a returns nothing
07:29<Aleric>I guess that's because it's a symlink :/
07:29<Mardus>klys: It's what we call a sitting and a drinking party. The evening is going to be more interesting but I don't know if my sleeplessness survives long enough to see the rest of it.
07:30<Aleric>But ok - I need to link with serialization at the moment... and I'd prefer a shared library - and definitely with debug symbols.
07:30<klys>aleric: you can probably rebuild from*.gz
07:31<Aleric>There is a libboost-serialization1.34.0 in unstable, but libboost-serialization1.31.1 seems to be non-existant :/
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07:31<Mardus>klys: I wish I had a decibel meter to tell how loud the speakers are blaring. My good ear is like 12" away from it and I am blocking it with my left hand
07:31<Aleric>That is why I only have static libs for libboost-serialization
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07:31<klys>mardus: not good, buy ginger altiods
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07:32<Mardus>klys: ^^ from the left-side speaker
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07:33<Mardus>klys: ahh well, some earplugs would be fine, too... I'm spmewhat penniless anyway... I remember from a film titled "Gods Must Be Crazy" that the African Bushmen are the happiest people on Earth, because they have no property.
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07:39<cahoot_>Mardus, it's aid that if you have more than 50 items in possession you are a prisoner of your possessions
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07:42<Mardus>cahoot: I don't understan the concept of 'aid' in this context: how come it's (and what exactly?) aid if I have more than 50 items iin possession? And what can be counted as items -- all my files scattered around dusting hardware?
07:42<Mardus>cahoot: * understand
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07:43<Mardus>cahot: hehe... Well, the I was confused as to possessions -- material possession or all my files? How large an item can be counted a possession?
07:43<Mardus>* then
07:43<Mardus>* possessions
07:43<Mardus>I just remembered "all my circuits"
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07:44<Mardus>cahoot_: Well, I can count more than fifty things if these are pieces of paper I tend to scribble on @home
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07:45<cahoot_>think of it from the nomads perspective
07:45<Mardus>cahoot_: I am not counting things, because I have more than fifty and I have many things in my mind anyway... | Oh, ok
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07:50[~]klys goig to dual-boot again, darn that reactos
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07:50<Mardus>cahoot: It could also be said that one may be a slave to their things if they have more than 50 major items in their minds/schedules/on their hands to do, etc.
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07:51<Mardus>cahoot_: ^^
07:51<alex__>if my cpu has 400 million transistors
07:52<alex__>am i slave to the cpu?
07:52<fxiny>i am
07:52<fxiny>when she goes on trance i just stare at the wall
07:53<Mardus>alex__, fxiny: :D
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07:54<Mardus>alex__: So, that would be like slave by about 8 million times :)
07:54<fxiny>Mardus: this is what you and cahoot are talinkg about ? i've joined in the middle of your converstation
07:54<fxiny>cpu addiction ?
07:56<Mardus>fxiny: Oh, I statef that I'm currently not in a possession of any good amount of money, implying that I was unable to get what I understood as a remewdy against a sizable stereo speaker blaring rock music 12" away from my only good ear...
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07:56<Mardus>fciny: * stated; remedy
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07:58<Mardus>fxiny: Well, I have the middle finger of my left hand stuck into my ear and it's still too loud... It's also quite a bitch to type with my right hand.
07:58<Mardus>fxiny: I even feel the soundwaves inside my body...
07:59<Mardus>fxiny: And, no it's not cpu addiction
07:59<fxiny>Mardus: i own a relic of a sony-walkman broken headphone : i do understand you ;)
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08:01<Mardus>fxiny: I was explaining klys the situation of a birthday party of sorts.
08:01<pingwin>hi i'm having some major issues with debian and apache2 ssl. i have loaded the certs on another server and they work fine. but the connection fails on the ssl handshake
08:02<pingwin>here are my error logs
08:02<pingwin>and " openssl s_client -connect ..." failes with "10607:error:140790E5:SSL routines:SSL23_WRITE:ssl handshake failure:s23_lib.c:188:" any ideas?
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08:05<Mardus>At least there was this mitigating occurrence of a guy who uses Mandrake (to my good surprise) and dislikes fags. Well, it only appears to be a userland remedy...
08:06<Mardus>* ^^ "dislikes people whom he calls fags"
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08:09<fxiny>Mardus: money ? have you heard of the latest (tm) samba bug ? someone sold the news for $50000 ?
08:09<pingwin>any ideas on my bug?
08:09<Mardus>So, in effect this Mandriva guy dislikes me, too, but doens't mind sitting just beside me to watch videos on youtube on from a laptop
08:10<Mardus>fxiny: :D
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08:11<cahoot_>mul on ükskoik
08:11<Mardus>cahoot_: Mul kah, aga kole igav on
08:11<fxiny>Mardus: are you laughing ? wait :) do you know how i find out ? spidering rss , it is on forbes yeahhhh *that* forbes :) hahahah
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08:12<cahoot_>well my vocabylary is exhausted already
08:12<Mardus>fxiny: I was laughing :D
08:12<fxiny>he said ""I asked for $80,000," he says. "When the guy on the phone agreed immediately without consulting his boss, I knew I should have asked for much more."
08:12<Mardus>cahoot_: I said I didn't care either, but it's very boring
08:13<klys>what's a good irc server for #karaoke ?
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08:14<Mardus>klys: There is
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08:15<Mardus>klys: Google: #karaoke IRC server
08:15[~]klys is trying
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08:16<Mardus>klys: I'm using ircII right now, but it's possible to search channels in Xchat to find one that matches a searchable string -- from the UI
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08:18<fxiny>Mardus: what drives me crazy (tm) is not who pay for a samba bug but in this forbse business scenario a question arise : how much Sun gives away in a year :)) hahahahah
08:18[~]klys just wishes irssi had some query syntax for /list; but that's one for #irssi
08:18<Th|sD|cK>i have problem with flash player plugin for iceweasel firefox, i see in "/home/USER/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat" all browser plugins installed have file configuration in ///totem, flash plugin must be too?
08:18<Mardus>fxiny: hähähähäh
08:19<klys>fxiny: was "what drives me crazy" the title of the article?
08:19<jm_>installing flash player is a matter of putting a single library file in one of the dirs iceweasel knows about
08:19<Mardus>fxiny: Sun must really be depending on Samba...
08:20<fxiny>klys: i have the link if you want i can pm you , i refuse to desecrate a debian chan pasting a forbes link :)
08:20<klys>sounds like economics, not technology news
08:21<Th|sD|cK>jm_, i know... but i don't know what can i do now... i installed it, and copy files .so and .xpt into /.mozilla/plugins
08:21<Mardus>Th|sD|cK: But does Flash play anything?
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08:21<klys>does it show up in your tools -> plugins ?
08:21<fxiny>klys: exactly , is ecomony messing around with anything
08:22<enry>hi any american here??
08:22<Th|sD|cK>no ^_^
08:22<jm_>Th|sD|cK: I use /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
08:23<enry>klyns can i pvt you?
08:23<Mardus>Th|sD|cKouOff the top of my head: put the files there, restart Iceweasel, go to about:plugins for it to make the plugins sweep
08:23<Mardus>Th|sD|cK: ^^
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08:28<niru>how can i minimize the data comign at the start and restart and shutting down of pc
08:28<niru>I mean how to minimize tht time
08:28<fxiny>klys: no, the title is "A Hacker's Nasdaq"
08:28<niru>which all services and need not display that takes time
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08:29<Fill>I installed Qemu and then put windows xp in there, it's all working fine however I am unable to access the internet via the virtual machine. I have just created tap0 on my debian machine, I added the virtual machine's ip address to the ip tables rules to accept all connections and I am even able to ping my Debian machine on the virtual machine, but no internet access!
08:29<Th|sD|cK>i copied files restart browser and nothing do
08:29<Fill>What should I do so the virtual machine has an internet connection?
08:31<jm_>Fill: you need your machine to do IP forwarding for it ...
08:31[~]Fill is AFK Riding my bike . Gone now for «15hrs 2mins» Pager is on /ctcp Fill page message. —M-e-R-L-i-N—
08:31<Th|sD|cK>Mardus, nothind do copying file and restart browser
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08:34<Mardus>Th|sD|cK: Well, I did say off the top of my head... Anyway, a proprietary experiece is when people install a not-very-reliable plugin, restart firefox and then go to about:plugins and this move takes the plugin sweep and thus makes itself concsious of all available plugins.
08:34<fxiny>Th|sD|cK: any plugin dir under ~/.mozilla ? check pluginreg.dat paths
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08:35<Mardus>I remember installing Flash layer 9 just here in Linux, but that was almost 6 months ago. It did work, but audio didn't work, so the trick was to install the plugin into one of Mozilla's .mozilla directories within the home directory.
08:36<Mardus>½^^ * Player
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08:36<Th|sD|cK>there are only flashplayer files into /USER/.mozilla/plugins
08:36<Mardus>Th|sD|ck: But you have to download the player, unpack it and then run the installation routine
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08:37[~]Fill is back from Getting some sleep ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZ & Riding my bike. I was gone for 15hrs 8mins —M-e-R-L-i-N—
08:37<Fill>and how do i do that
08:37<Mardus>Th|sD|ck: Well, my .mozilla/plugins shows and I think this is what it's currently using right now.
08:37<fxiny>Th|sD|cK: for example my pluginreg.dat points to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ , i can edit that to pint say to firexox/plugins
08:37<Mardus>Th|sD|ck: The .so file is 7Mb large
08:37<Th|sD|cK>fxiny, pluginreg.dat is in /totem directory, there is more plugins there but in pluginreg.dat there isn't flashplayer plugins path or other info
08:37<petemc>Fill: you should turn off the away shit
08:38<Fill>I have just turned it off
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08:38<Th|sD|cK>pc completly?
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08:39<fxiny>Th|sD|cK: move out of the way ~/.mozilla or firefox home dir . restart it and check again
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08:40<Th|sD|cK>nothing to do....
08:40<Th|sD|cK>why in pluginsreg.dat there isn't flashplayer plugin info?!
08:41<Mardus>Th|sD|ck: Maybe because it doesn't need to be there, IMHO
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08:41<Th|sD|cK>there are all info plugins ^_^
08:41<Th|sD|cK>of all plugins
08:41<Th|sD|cK>not to do....
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08:42<fxiny>as soon as i get a new box (more ram) i will kick flash for goods : i'll install gnash
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08:43<fxiny>i've got enough of all this vultures
08:43<Mardus>Th|sD|ck: Did you check about:plugins again?
08:43<Th|sD|cK>yes Mardus
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08:43<tfangio>Hello all, I have a quick question. I am using Lenny and I am getting an 'Invalid ELF Header' error for dbus. I tried downgrading, but it failed because it couldn't use dbus. Any suggestions?
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08:44<Mardus>Th|sD|ck: Well, the right answer appears to elude me
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08:44<[sLaSh]>hi! can anyone help me configuring my soundserver (alsa) that im able to use quake3 and teamspeak at the same time?
08:44<fxiny>an anyway my flash is disabled all the time
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08:45<mina>hi,i need info for the usb rt73 wifi driver for debian...
08:46<fxiny>btw , a vulture looks much better then any adobe :)
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08:46<Mardus>fxiny: The lore was that Adobe bought Macromedia, afraid that Microsoft would beat Adobe to the punch
08:46<Mardus>fxiny: and buy Macromedia itself
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08:47<Th|sD|cK>Mardus, in pluginreg.dat in /mozilla/firefox there is info about all plugins, no info flashplugin, can i add this info manually?!
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08:47<[sLaSh]>noone can help?
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08:48<Mardus>Th|sD|ck: You could, methinks...
08:48<Mardus>Although I don't remember editing this file specifically for the Mozilla suite.
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08:49<gsimmons>!tell mina -about ralink
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08:50<Th|sD|cK>nothing to do
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08:52<Mardus>Th|sD|cK: Do you have in any of the plugins directories at all?
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08:53<gsimmons>mina: I'd try the rt73 driver from the rt2x00 project first, there's about 10 variants of rt73-based devices which will operate.
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08:53<fxiny>Th|sD|cK: ok . i just double checked it : mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_old . firefox obviously loads again flash : check about:plugins
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08:55<fxiny>Th|sD|cK: id addds a different flash line: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/$
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08:55<fxiny>Th|sD|cK: do you have a /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ dir ?
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08:56<fxiny>Th|sD|cK: check permissions : chmod root.root flashplayer.xpt
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08:57<Mardus>Th|sD|cK: Are you trying to install flash player as root or as normal user?
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08:59<tfangio>So...nobody else had the invalid ELF header for dbus? I can't find anything on Google.
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08:59<fxiny>latest evil-flash version is : Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48
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09:00<fxiny>maybe tomorrow will have another fix :)
09:00<Mardus>Mine is 9,0,31,0
09:00<Mardus>mhm :)
09:00<fxiny>that's buggy :)
09:01<fxiny>Mardus: :)
09:01<Mardus>Actually, I'm planning to install Debian 4.0 and then see how flash works out there...
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09:01<Mardus>fxiny: yea, I had to install that into a home directory and it was buggy at the time, but it finally worked with sound, somehow
09:01<fxiny>Mardus: you on sarge ? etch is fine even on my old box
09:02<fxiny>Mardus: i had it on a home dir too . i removed it on etch
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09:02<Mardus>fxiny: I installed sarge because the hard drive is old and small and defective and therefore I needed something that is as stable as perceivably possible...
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09:03<Mardus>The difficult part is when gnome launches or sometimes during shutdown I see error messages
09:04<fxiny>Mardus: '98 box . i can run gnome and kde if i want but flux ... yeahhhh flux rulez :)
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09:06<Mardus>fxiny: You have a '98 box?
09:06<fxiny>Mardus: i found a second hand 30G hd two years ago ., the original 4G is still alive and GRINDING :)
09:06<Skyrail>I've got a 4G HD with Debian on it :B
09:07<Mardus>fxiny: My issue with this hdd is that it's just 2 (two) gigabytes
09:07<DarkX>how old is that hd O_O
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09:08<tfangio>Is there somewhere else that I should be asking about my dbus error?
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09:08<fxiny>Mardus: 2 ? can't you find a second hand 10 12 or 20 ?
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09:09<Mardus>fxiny: And I mucked something up with the swap partition so that it's not in use, while the system itself appears to be using some kind of an ad-hoc solution (to my surprise at the time)
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09:09<fxiny>Mardus: i do swap : Swap: 506036 117688
09:10<Mardus>fxiny: I did mhave a couple HDD's at hand at the time and I was in a hurry to see my friend (I think I didn't wanr to be late to the last trolleybus that exited the suburb to the city).
09:11<tfangio>Can anyone see what I am typing?
09:11<Mardus>^^ * did have; didn't want
09:11<Mardus>tfangio: yes; you must have excho off or smth
09:11<cahoot>tfangio, we see your input
09:11<Mardus>tfangio: Are you using telnet??
09:12<tfangio>Just using irssi...
09:12<cahoot>or just feel neglected?
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09:12<petemc>tfangio: did you check the bts?
09:12<fxiny>Mardus: i mean . you can't store too much on a 2G , so you cannot exploit your isp (if any) . we are due for some refund :)
09:12<tfangio>petemc: Considering I don't know what bts is, I am going to go with a no...
09:13<alex__>argh!! my work = give me debian or give me death
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09:13<Mardus>fxiny: I don't even have a net connection €@home, but my friend does... And I wanted him to have a very temporary working system at that time. Of course, six months had to pass after that.
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09:14<Mardus>fxiny: I wanted my friend to have a basic device to be online, not something to exploit the bandwidth with
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09:15<fxiny>Mardus: i see . i see . is ok .
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09:15<tfangio>So, does BTS stand for "Bit Test and Set" or "Base Transceiver Station"?
09:15<petemc>bug tracking system
09:15<Mardus>fxiny: he eventually began using Knoppix instead, because it was more stable than a system from a defective HDD.
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09:16<fxiny>Mardus: i want a new box cause i cannot run xen and all the new/latest goodies debian offers . i do not care about eyecandy . i want much more then that :)
09:16<tfangio>petemc: Ah. Yes, I have checked that. No clues there. I thought I would check here before I submitted a bug.
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09:17<fxiny>Mardus: but i'm alway on my old box , i have another stupid xeon 3G on a low end mobo . i hate it
09:17<tfangio>cahoot: I wasn't feeling neglected...just completely unobserved. When that happened in the past, it meant that no one else could see what I was typing :)
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09:19<Mardus>fxiny: I planned to give him a stable three-gigabyte HDD (which I am not very hopeful of now, since it had experienced slight physical falls), but that 3Gb HDD is a moot point anyway, because one of my Internet friends sent me a 80Gb HDD from the UK and since it is my friend's birthday, he's going to have it for Etch.
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09:19<fxiny>Mardus: that's nice :)
09:19<Mardus>fxiny: I hope that UK friend has erased all his pr0n from that hard drive :\
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09:20<fxiny>Mardus: i can do it for you , if you are busy :)
09:20<Mardus>fxiny: Or maybe he had left a few easter eggs for me that I am yet to discover...
09:20<Mardus>fxiny: I want to know if he has left anything at all there and then if, then I'd like to take a look...
09:21<fxiny>Mardus: heheheh
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09:21<fxiny>Mardus: i have a broken 80G drive . i want to open it to get out some small magnets
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09:24<Mardus>fxiny: I just remembered with the word 'look' a few lines Garak said to Sisko on DS9 (during "In the Palen Moonlight"): First Garak would go to see Tolar, "to say hello" and then inspect Romulan Senator Vreenak's shuttle "for anything interesting"
09:25<Mardus>fxiny: Be very sure to wear a mask, because breaking electronics emits metal dust and other small dangers.
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09:25<Mardus>fxiny: Just as building electronics does, in fact.
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09:26<Mardus>^^^ * "In the Pale Moonlight"
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09:28<petn-randall>Does anyone know if the lirc Maintainer Team is still alive?
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09:28<fxiny>Mardus: heheheh Sisko !
09:28<petn-randall>I wrote them some e-mails, checked their SVN and ML, but there doesn't seem to be any activity.
09:30<petn-randall>Last SVN commit were in February, since then it's been dead.
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09:30<Mardus>fxiny: I actually saw the episode in German, so I can't say how dastardly Vreenak's "It's a faake!!!" sounded... In German, it had to be something like "Es ist eine fälschung!!!"
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09:44<Mardus>Th|sD|cK> nothing to do
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09:44<Mardus>> Th|sD|cK: Do you have in any of the plugins directories at
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09:45<Mardus>It's too bad to paste with a scroller
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09:48<Mardus>"If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?" (I hope I didn't submit this twice, but I found it too laughworthy)
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09:57<jamess>anybody ever install freebsd on debian using xen?
09:57<freight>Hrm, this is frustrating. Colo host says port 3306 is open. The user table shows '%' for host access, and I still cannot connect to mysql remotely. nmap of the server shows the port is closed. I know I'm missing something simple, but I do not know what.
09:57<freight>Can anyone offer a suggestion?
09:57<cahoot>checked the config?
09:58<cahoot>by deault it listens only on localhost IIRC
09:58<freight>cahoot: Oh, the bind_address is set to the IP of the nic.
09:58<freight>in my.cnf
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09:59<freight>I'm asking this here because this is an Etch install with the Debian pacakges of MySQL.
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10:02<dominus>could anyone help me with setting up pppoe in debian?
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10:14<petn-randall>dominus: I could help, whats your prob?
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10:38<DTE>someone expert with drbd?
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10:38<DTE>i cannot make them to sync
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10:39<rconde>i was installed giFT and apollone with Gnutella, Ares, FastTrack and OpenFT, and now i can't connect this networks...all of them stay in Connection... somebody can help me?
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10:42<nilsFR13>Hi, I have gnome allready installed, I can start it via gdm or startx, it works well, I have "apt-get installed kde", I can run kdm, but startx still start gnome, how can I make startx start kde ?
10:44<fxiny>rconde: isn't FastTrack dead ?
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10:44<rconde>i don't know
10:44<rconde>i have seen in a lot of websites
10:45<rconde>how to use fasttrack with apollone
10:46<rconde>but that isn't the my question
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10:48<nilsFR13>I've seen x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/gnome-session, but, what I should -> ... ? instead /usr/bin/gnome-session => kde-session does not exist,
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10:49<fxiny>nilsFR13: why don't you use gdm to start kde ?
10:49<nilsFR13>because I don't want to have the login graphic prompt
10:49<fxiny>i see
10:50<Nemoder>nilsFR13: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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10:50<Nemoder>x-window-manager too
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10:53<nilsFR13>thanks all !, it works !!!, so there is noway telling startx to choose ?, I have to run update alternative --config x-session-manager each time I want to switch ?
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10:54<DTE>nilsFR13: you can use a graphic login manager or modify your .xsession manually
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10:55<nilsFR13>is.xsession in ~ ?
10:55<nilsFR13>(* is in)
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10:56<DTE>nilsFR13: yes
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10:57<nilsFR13>I don't have it ???!!!
10:57<DTE> can create it
10:57<nilsFR13>Nemoder, x-window-manager doesn't work, gives a big error page
10:57<nilsFR13>ha, ok
10:58<nilsFR13>is it in this file I should write "exec gnome-session" or "startkde" ?
10:58<nilsFR13>(* exec startkde)
10:58<Nemoder>nilsFR13: I meant to run update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
10:59<nilsFR13>ha ok Nemoder
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11:01<nilsFR13>ok, x-window-manager is to choose the window manager, for me : metacity or kwin // and // x-session-manager is to choose the desktop environnment, for me : gnome or kde, is this all right ?
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11:09<nilsFR13>I didn't find any (.)xsession anywhere, but an /etc/X11/Xsession which is a script, and doesn't seem to be a conf file
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11:10<nilsFR13>someone could tell me what to write in ~/.xsession ? to choose between gnome & kde while using startx ?
11:11<DTE>nilsFR13: normally as Nemoder said, you should use update-alternatives
11:11<nilsFR13>ha ok, so, if it is the good way, I'll use this one !
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11:13<nilsFR13>but, I still don't know why I don't have any .xsession anywhere ?, install done with netinst and finished without any chekmark for the last sccreen
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11:13<Nemoder>man xsession
11:13<DTE>nilsFR13: ~/.xsession is optional
11:14<DTE>normally is not present
11:14<nilsFR13>ha ok then !
11:15<nilsFR13>ok, thanks al lot all for your help !!!, see you next time ...
11:17<nilsFR13>I'm back, only root can run update-alternative, this mean a simple user cannot choose his desktop, is that right ?
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11:23<fxiny>nilsFR13: echo 'exec startkde' >> ~/.xsession
11:23<nilsFR13>try it ...
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11:23<fxiny>lemme see
11:23<dpkg>xsession is probably ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips:
11:23<sayers>freight How do I get that one Window Mangager... Enlightment is it?
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11:24<dpkg>Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17
11:24<nilsFR13>I don't have any .xinitrc as well !
11:24<fxiny>dpkg rulez
11:24<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
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11:25<fxiny>dpkg : you're the best !
11:25<dpkg>la la la la .... I did it myyyyyyyyy wayyy ... cof cof ...
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11:28<sayers>!msg dpkg gnome
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11:29<nilsFR13>I cannot run starx anypmore (as a user) : xauth: creating new authority file /home/nils/.serverauth.2653 // X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
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11:29<fxiny>sayers: dpkg will sends you two mushrrooms :)
11:29<fxiny>new style ?
11:29<fxiny>ok ok
11:29<sayers>fxiny :S , I just want something differnt from Gnome and KDE ;p
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11:30<fxiny>sayers: e17 is a myth :)
11:30<fxiny>sayers: i run flux wich is for iconoclast people like me :P
11:31<sayers>Well Flux is nice but I don't really know what programs to run with it...
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11:31<sayers>Like what file manager and how to change the list
11:31<fxiny>sayers: anything , flux run gnome and kde apps too
11:31<sayers>fxiny yes but what file manager . /me likes the terminal but doesn't LOOOOVE it.
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11:32<fxiny>sayers: i use mrxvt , and mc
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11:32<sayers>hm, let me change irc real fast
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11:32<petn-randall>Does anyone know if the lirc Maintainer Team is still alive?
11:32<petn-randall>I wrote them some e-mails, checked their SVN and ML, but there doesn't seem to be any activity.
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11:33<sayers>Is that a graphical file system?
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11:33<petn-randall>lirc is for infrared remote controls
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11:34<fxiny>sayers: yes , right click menu , no icons or very little , you can get roxfiles for a graphical file manager if you want or you can run gnome or kde file managers
11:34<sayers>roxfiles sounds interesting
11:35<fxiny>sayers: rox-filer
11:35<sayers>How do I change my menu in flux though. It's a bit cluttered
11:36<fxiny>sayers: you have to work a little
11:36<sayers>fxiny :s
11:36<fxiny>sayers: there are sites with themes
11:37<sayers>I don't need extra themes, I just want to change the menu
11:37<fxiny>sayers: right click > styles
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11:38<fxiny>sayers: you can edit/modify almost everything
11:39<sayers>fxiny I changed the style but the Apps menu is still the same
11:39<nilsFR13>I cannot run anymore startx as a simple user, only as root, I've set back update-alternatives --config x-session-manager to gnome, it's the same, anyone has an idea ?
11:40<fxiny>sayers: believe me , get into it , take your time . you won't go back
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11:42<sayers>fxiny Hm?
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11:44<fxiny>sayers: if you think e17 you can set your flux up . and maybe enjoy it
11:44<sayers>I like flux, i just wish I could change the apps list
11:45<fxiny>sayers: you can do anything you want
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11:45<sayers>I understand that. But how?
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11:46<matth_>sayers: ~/.fluxbox/menu is a good start
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11:47<fxiny>sayers: start èpopulating you ~/.fluxbox for instance , edit /etc/X11/fluxbox and check the net for styles you might like and modify them
11:48<sayers>Well, that seems a bit complicated, why not have a text file it loads that has a list?
11:48<matth_>I won't advice to touch system-wide conf, but taking inspiration from it yes.
11:48<matth_>sayers: that's working like that actually
11:49<fxiny>sayers: yes , is complicated cause we have a complicated mind . we want to modify things
11:49<matth_>sayers: man fluxbox is your friend too.
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11:49<sayers>matth_ or is it...
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11:51<matth_>sayers: take a look at fluxconf too (for a GUI)
11:51<matth_>( )
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11:53<nilsFR13>(dpkg-reconfigure x11-common and it works again)
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11:55<sayers>I found the file
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11:56<fxiny>sayers: hahahah ,we all started saying that ! :)
11:56<sayers>it works
11:57<sayers>Now if I could figure out how to have two IRC channel windows with Bitchx :(
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11:58<fxiny>sayers: bitchx ? do it all then > irssi :))
11:58<sayers>irssi supports multi-channel windows?
11:58<fxiny>how can you run bitchx on flux ? no wayyyyy
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11:59<fxiny>sayers: and screen : is screen installed ? :)
11:59<matth_>irssi makes cofee
11:59<fxiny>yahhhhhh : flux+irssi+screen :)
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12:00<sayers>I installed screen but what does it do?
12:00<fxiny>matth_: you don't like irssi ? i see : you did not pass the mirror test :)
12:01<fxiny>for beautifull people only :P
12:01<dpkg>from memory, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or or at or aptitude install screen
12:01<fxiny>matth_: :)
12:01<matth_>fxiny: you're misunderstanding my previous sentence
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12:01<sayers>Yeah :p
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12:01<fxiny>matth_: ;)
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12:02<fxiny>sayers: is gnome installed ? because there is a nive fast file manager called pcman if you want
12:04<sayers>No nome isn't installesd
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12:04<sayers>Xchat is nice but does it run well with Flux? :p
12:05<fxiny>it should , i run irssi in a screen session in a mrxvt tab ...
12:05<nilsFR13>fxiny, all test done : ~/.xsession works whith 'exec startkde' or 'exec gnome-session' and has priority on update-alternatives --config
12:06<fxiny>nilsFR13: so i won an icecream ! ;)
12:07<nilsFR13>yes !!!, which pub do you prefer ?, good for you in Marseiile ? on the "vieux port" !!!
12:07[~]fxiny by popular demand eats a "cornetto"
12:07<fxiny>nilsFR13: Marseille ? ca va bien !:)
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12:08<nilsFR13>héhé !
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12:09<nilsFR13>fxiny, here you are a corneto ! :
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12:09<assuck>salve a tutti..... ce qualcuno italiano che potrebbe aiutarmi???
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12:09<fxiny>nilsFR13: i'll have a fine glass of absinthe as well , if you insist
12:10<nilsFR13>hummm, sounds good !!!
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12:38<george>does anyone know how to blacklist skge, and add sk98lin as the default loaded? Without having physical access to the server.
12:39<kinus>hey. windows override grub config, and i lost menu at laptop start.. how can i start linux now? :) (no floppy drive) ?
12:40<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
12:41<jMCg>george: I don't think you need physical access to the server -- as long as you have ssh and root.
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12:42<fxiny>jMCg: hi jMCg , everything under control today ? :)
12:42<kinus>nice nice..
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12:42<kinus>no idea what does it mean, but will try
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12:48<george>jMCg: What's the method of doing this? I never could get it right, and its been 6 months ;)
12:48[~]jMCg wonders what would be different if george had physical access
12:48<dpkg>Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs
12:48<george>I could install sk98lin
12:49<george>I've been having issues with that method
12:49<jMCg>george: msg dpkg for more info
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12:49<george>Yeah I was already told to do that.
12:49<george>And it didn't blacklist, it just continued loading skge
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12:50<george>Is it possible that I just compile a kernel with the default options and just remove skge, and add sk98lin in its place?
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12:54<rudenstam>anyone got any tips why my sdb got buffered reads at 2 MB/s and sda got them at 59 MB/s.... Identical disks, both sata and both connected to same PCI card
12:55<jMCg>george: Everything is possible. For various values of everything and possible.
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13:06<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
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13:07<seth1248>Where is the keymap file in etch?
13:07<kinus>but i can't boot debian.. how can i boot debian without grub installed?
13:09<kinus>any suggestions?:)
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13:12<eddie>has anyone here have good luck using preseed.cfg files
13:12<eddie>with the debian installl.
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13:15<seth1248>kinus: I did not see your previous posts so I don't know if this helps or not, but could using a grub boot disk help?
13:16<Ten>Why do people not actually read a single message before responding that it doesn't work?
13:17<eddie>d-i preseed/late_command cd /target && wget && chmod +x autoinstall-deb && chroot $
13:17<sysop>is a debian package for XORD ?
13:17<eddie>is there anytihng wrong in there?
13:17<eddie>d-i preseed/late_command cd /target && wget && chmod +x autoinstall-deb && chroot /target ./autoinstall-deb
13:17<eddie>that should work correct?
13:18<sysop>how can I install and configure XORD in a debian way?
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13:22<Kebianizao>why usplash doesn't have a changelog file? is this allowed?
13:23<Kebianizao>(dpkg -L usplash)
13:23<Kebianizao>ok, bad removal
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13:25<eddie> update-rc.d
13:27<Kebianizao>no, the package was removed and not purged that was the (dangerous problem) since the lsb-logging... script prevent most services to start
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13:28<seth1248>Does anyone here know where the keymap file is in etch?
13:29<Kebianizao>seth1248: /usr/share/keymaps/?
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13:33<seth1248>Kebianizao: Thanks, but due to my ignorance I may be asking the wrong question.
13:34<seth1248>How can I find out what keymap file is being loaded on startup?
13:34<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once)
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13:35<Kebianizao>also setupcon
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13:36<sysop>how can I change locales?
13:36<qbit>dpkg-reconfigure locales
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13:38<sysop>but if I have strange symbols in filenames, reconfigure locales can help me?
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13:45<sysop>is there a developer that can add XORD (is for routing) package in a debian repository?
13:45<stew>sysop: is there an itp or rfp filed?
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13:53<sysop>stew: I don't know
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13:54<tomv>Hi, say can somebody recommend a cd encoder similar to abcde that starts ripping while I edit the track list?
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13:55<nick>if I run make-kpkg with no arguments no deb file is built even when I am at the top of a kernel source tree and have ran make config. how do I tell make-kpkg to pass the -s option to make so make is silent as it runs gcc?
13:55<fxiny>mp3c ?
13:56<fxiny>you have to select tracks to be ripped
13:56<kinus>fxiny:: how to start debian without grub? :)
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13:57<sysop>kinus: did you mean with other boot loader?
13:57<Kebianizao>nick: you have to tell make-kpkg a target, e.g. binary-arch
13:57<deb_usr>i have a question please :
13:58<Kebianizao>look for it there
13:58<kinus>sysop:: i mean start debian without boot loader..
13:58<deb_usr>what is the best version of mysql and php for a Client/server application under debian 4 ?
13:58<kinus>i installed windows over debian
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13:59<nick>what would I type if I wanted to build a kernel and have already ran make config
13:59<fxiny>kinus: there are many ways , one is dirty . we start with the "canonical" no floppy drive right ? what about a live cd like knoppix ? no ? so do the dirty one : lookk for windows grub , install it on windows . boot your debian and install the *real/ thing from there
13:59<nick>it is for i486
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14:00<deb_usr>what is the best version of mysql and php for a Client/server application under debian 4 ?
14:00<stew>sysop: /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg rfp ; if this is software you'd like to see in debian but isn't yet, check to see if an rfp or an itp are filed, and if they aren't consider filing an rfp
14:00<twb>Hey, my Sid box suddenly stopped letting me ssh into my Etch server. NFS and NIS and stuff are still working, but ssh just sits there instead of connecting.
14:00<twb>I can also ssh back from the Etch server to the Sid workstation.
14:00<stew>deb_usr: there is only one version of mysql which is mysql 5.0. you should use php5 unless you have a very specific reason to use php4
14:00<twb>Any ideas as to what could be wrong?
14:01<stew>twb: have you tried '/msg dpkg debug sshd' ?
14:01<deb_usr>stew : thanks very much
14:01<twb>As yet, no.
14:01<deb_usr>stew : how can i install them ? can i use apt-get command ??
14:01<sysop>mmmhhh... I'm a very very newbie with irc... I don't undestrand commands
14:02<stew>deb_usr: aptitude install mysql-server php5-mysql ; likely you'll also want libapache2-mod-php5 if you are planning to use php with apache2
14:02<_tuzhila>hey, guys, tell me please how i can to build raid 1 on debian?
14:02<_tuzhila>i have to sata 250 GB
14:02<stew>sysop: type "/msg dpkg itp" into your irc client. the bot named 'dpkg' should send information back to you
14:02<twb>It doesn't print any errors or warnings.
14:03<sysop>stew: thank you, but then what?
14:03<Kebianizao>sysop: read
14:03<deb_usr>stew : thanks ! i'll test it. Please, do u have a good link to khnow more about installing and cofiguring mysql and php under debian ??
14:03<stew>sysop: do you now know what an itp and rfp are?
14:03<sysop>methinks itp is Intent To Package
14:04<stew>deb_usr: not specificaly. in general, start with /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGENAME/README.Debian
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14:05<stew>sysop: you can look for ITPs and RFPs at ; if you don't find one and wish to file an RFP, there is information there, but in general you will use reportbug (/msg dpkg reportbug) to file an RFP against the wnpp pseudo-package (/msg dpkg wnpp)
14:05<fxiny>kinus: you are setting new records in bork-ziggystan :P
14:05<sysop>stew: thank you very much.
14:06<deb_usr>stew : thanks
14:06<deb_usr>stew : see you soon stew !!
14:07<deb_usr>Good bye !!
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14:10<xoreaxeax>hello 2 all
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14:10<xoreaxeax>someone talk russian?
14:10<xoreaxeax>hello 2 all
14:10<xoreaxeax>someone talk russian?
14:10<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
14:11<xoreaxeax>ok, thanks
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14:18<nick>what would I type if I wanted to build a kernel and have already ran make config
14:18<nick>I typed make-kpkg no deb file is built
14:18<vasi>make vmlinuz, i think?
14:18<nick>do I need to run make -s bzImage or will make-kpkg do that for me?
14:19<vasi>it should do it
14:19<nick>have you ever used make-kpkg?
14:19<nick>when you ran it what did you type?
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14:19<vasi>good question, it was months ago :-/
14:20<vin`>nick: man make-kpkg
14:21<vasi>is there any way to get an old version of a debian package? (i only really need the diff.gz)
14:21<vasi>by 'old
14:21<vasi>', i mean a version that's not the current one for stable/testing/unstable
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14:22<nick>how do I tell make-kpkg to pass options to make?
14:23<vasi>oh wow, this looks great....thanks fxiny!
14:23<fxiny>vasi: np
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14:26<vasi>nick, the man page seems to imply MAKEFLAGS would work for that
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14:29<kinus>someone is using beryl ?
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14:33<nick>how do I allow normal users to use nice to prioritize processes?
14:34<luser>nick - they already can, in the nice direction. They can't in the greedy direction
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14:34<Icewind>how do I set KDE as default?
14:35<nick>if I do nice --20 program I get a denied message. how can I fix this?
14:35<azeem>Icewind: set it as default session in your display manager
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14:40<luser>nick - it's not broken, it doesn't need fixing. Only the superuser may change niceness in that direction
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14:41<redondos>Hello. Does anybody use linux >2.6.18 and has an nvidia graphics card? There's a problem with CONFIG_PARAVIRT that, when enabled, makes the udelay() macro GPL-only. The proprietary nvidia driver uses this macro, therefore the kernel module can't be compiled when such option is enabled.
14:42<redondos>I am looking for alternative ways of solving this other than recompiling the stock kernel without this option.
14:42<redondos>Any ideas will be appreciated. :)
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14:43<luser>Is the 2.4 kernel supported in any distributions of debain any more?
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14:45<luser>I'm running 2.4 as it's the only thing that I've got sound to work in, and now dependencies are telling me I must use glibc >2.5, (I'm on 2.3.?) which depends on kernel >2.6.1 (I'm 2.4.?). So I can't do anything until I find a distro that's based on, and happy with 2.4. (And then I'll re-install from scratch)
14:48<stew>luser: 2.4 is supporte din sarge aka oldstable for the next few months
14:48<stew>luser: what sound card do you have?
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14:53<Icewind>azeem, do you know a command to run it?
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14:55<Icewind>tV2, hi
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15:01<luser>stew - With 2.6 kernels, I get no sound from VIA VT8233 on my Ath32 machines, Intel 82801G on my EMT64 box.
15:02<stew>luser: does alsaconf detect the card?
15:02<luser>stew - I managed to get them into the state where xmms thought that sound was playing, but nothing came out of the jack plug
15:02<Icewind>how do I run GCC?
15:03<stew>Icewind: you'll have to be more specific
15:03<stew>luser: can you show me the output of 'amixer' when it is in that state?
15:03<Icewind>stew, gnome compiler collection
15:03<Icewind>or something likely
15:03<Icewind>gnome no
15:03<stew>Icewind: you run it by typing "gcc"
15:03<luser>stew - on EMT64 box hda-intel 82801G...
15:03<tarzeau>yeah sure gnome compiler collection :) that was good
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15:04<Icewind>stew, no input files
15:04<stew>Icewind: sounds like it worked
15:04<luser>stew - then asks if I want to modify "modprobe.d/sound" etc... And I select yes
15:04<stew>Icewind: if you need to know more, you'll have to ask a more specific question
15:04<Icewind>stew, how do I use this program
15:04<Icewind>using debian
15:05<Icewind>in a 32 bits computer
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15:06<luser>stew - sound card is configured... \n Running update-modules \n loading driver \n Setting default volumes...
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15:06<stew>Icewind: install "gcc-doc" which is in contrib: /msg dpkg contrib ; and read "man gcc"
15:06<bikedude880>Is it possible to get SoftMac PCMCIA cards to work with the mac80211 subsystem?
15:06<luser>stew - amixer: Mixer default load error: Invalid argument
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15:06<stew>luser: does it work when you run amixer as root?
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15:07<luser>stew - amixer: Mixer default load error: Invalid argument when running amixer as root
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15:08<luser>stew - this was a fairly fresh install, I've not done anythng weird or wonderful with the system after the install.
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15:09<luser>stew - I've kind of given up with the EMT64 box. I'll be happy if just one of my Ath32 boxes has sound. Which is why I'm happy that apt is just about to annihilate my final 2.4 system
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15:10<nick>is there a way to allow normal users to use nice --20?
15:10<stew>Icewind: ok. that looks fine, though in general one would install "build-essential" instead of installing gcc alone
15:11<stew>nick: apt-cache show sudo
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15:11<nick>if I use sudo will my kernel be compiled with my own user or as root?
15:12<luser>nick - no
15:12<nick>will fakeroot work?
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15:13<stew>nick: if you use sudo to compile your kernel it would be compiled as root. but you shouldn't compile stuff as root
15:13<stew>nick: will fakeroot work to do what?
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15:13<luser>nick - you're getting confused. just read the manpage for sudo
15:13<nick>compile the kernel under my user name so in dmesg it says compiled by nick@hostname rather then root@hostname?
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15:15<luser>stew - on my 2.6 Amd32 box, amixer runs happily - pages of output.
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15:16<stew>nick: you don't need to use either sudo nor fakeroot to compile a kernel ; if you are packaging a kernel with make-kpkg, you'll want to use fakeroot to build the package
15:16<stew>luser: and does sound work on that machine or not?
15:16<luser>stew - some stuff's [on], and some stuff's [off], how do I know what's imporant.
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15:16<stew>luser: master and pcm are important
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15:17<nick>so could I build the kernel then run make-kpkg with the options I need to have dpkg build me a kernel package?
15:17<stew>nick: no, run "fakeroot make-kpkg ..."
15:17<luser>stew - xmms is happy, but no noise. hmmm, PCM is [on], but Master is [off]. OK - where to tweak that?
15:18<Icewind>stew, I didn't understand
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15:18<stew>luser: run alsamixer the 'm' key will toggle mute
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15:18<stew>Icewind: what are you trying to do?
15:18<Icewind>stew, install a C or C++ compiler
15:18<stew>Icewind: you already installed gcc.
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15:19<Icewind>stew, but it doesn't run
15:19<stew>Icewind: yes it does
15:19<nick>so basically there is no way to make my own user name be in the kernel it will be root if building with make-kpkg write?
15:19<stew>Icewind: (you already ran it)
15:19<Icewind>stew, then, how can I compile?
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15:19<stew>Icewind: gcc /path/to/file/to/compile
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15:19<luser>I Love you stew and I want to have your babies!
15:20<stew>you can't
15:20<Icewind>stew, ohh
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15:21<luser>Icewind - do you have some source code that you want to compile?
15:21<nick>in order to run with a niceness of -20 do I need to be root?
15:22<luser>stew - I owe you a beer then
15:22<luser>nick - yes, or temporarily have superuser permission using 'sudo'
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15:22<pumpkin0>nick: yes. because a -20 niced will block the system and make it unuseable for normal users.
15:22<luser>nick - if you need to run with nice -20, then you're doing something wrong
15:23<nick>is there any way I can pass the -s option to make-kpkg?
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15:23<Icewind>luser, I'm creating one
15:23<nick>so it would run make -s rather then just make
15:24<luser>Icewind$ echo 'int main(){return!!printf("Hello World\n");}' > /tmp/crap.c
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15:25<luser>Icewind$ gcc-4.1 /tmp/crap.c
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15:26<Icewind>luser, if I write a program, I need to save it as...?
15:26<luser>Icewind - as a file. With any name.
15:26<luser>Icewind - is it C, or C++?
15:26<luser>Icewind - gcc makes assumptions about the language depending on the filename
15:27<Icewind>gcc /home/pedro/Desktop/programa
15:27<Icewind>/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado
15:27<Icewind>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
15:27<luser>Icewind - then just save it as program.c
15:27<luser>Icewind - was 'programa' the filename you saved it as? Or 'programa.c'?
15:28<Icewind>programa.c worked
15:28<Icewind>it's portuguese
15:29<luser>File or directory not found - I did latin and french at school, I can guess quite a bit of spanish, portuguese, and italian from taht
15:29<richard_> Can anyone tell me is its possible to make the gnome menu transparent as well?
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15:29<Icewind>luser, where do you live?
15:30<luser>Icewind - Espoo, Finland
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15:33<Icewind>lupine, if the program works, a file will be created?
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15:34<bighornram>how would i use wget to download all files and directories on an http site?
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15:34<luser>bighornram - man wget
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15:36<Th|sD|cK>how to make iceweasel predefinite browser of debian?!
15:36<luser>bighornram - usually all you'll need is --recursive --no-parent
15:37<Mardus>I need some practical advice on Wi-Fi. My friend's father's WLAN connection has been weak, but stable, despite the many walls that separate the router and the adapter. Today I added a young woman's laptop to the list of wifi recipients (mac address, encryption key) and she's approximately at the same distance on another side. She complained that the connection was wobbly and my friend's father, who has priority over the connection began complaining
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15:37<Mardus>when this woman was online that his connection went from stable to bad to worse. I suspect that the culprit is the added user. What do you think?
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15:38<Mardus>My friend's father has priority over the connection because he needs it more than this lady who just came to visit.
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15:38<Mardus>Not that there's much technical priority...
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15:41<stew>Mardus: ask #wireless on
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15:42<Mardus_>I hope you can still follow me with this wifi quandry
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15:43<pumpkin0>Mardus_: while you were off: stew Mardus: ask #wireless on
15:44<stew>he wasn't off
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15:44<bighornram>luser: I want to get source files for realtek drivers, there are directories and source files in each diretory. I am seeming to only be ablet ot get robot.txt and index.htm. no other files are getting copied.
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15:45<pumpkin0>stew: he is in here 2x and one of the 2 does not react to DC-pings...
15:45<runa_>hi can sb help me configure the touchpad. it works but i cant do the scrolling, this is my xorg.conf
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15:49<Magnus>how do i change the mime-type of a file ?
15:50<Tycale>Can you give me an url to learn how install my graphic drivers (Nvidia 7600GT) ?? I'm lost ...
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15:51<streuner>try 'nv'
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15:51<streuner>!drxx Tycale
15:51<dpkg>Tycale: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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15:51<besonen_mobile__>can i install debian 4 from the first dvd or do i need all three to gracefully complete the installtion process?
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15:52<streuner>!d-i besonen_mobile__
15:52<dpkg>besonen_mobile__, you want to go to Or (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
15:52<Magnus>does anybody has an idea ?
15:53<Magnus>to change the mime-type of a file
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15:54<vasi>Magnus, maybe you should just change the program it will open with?
15:54<vasi>or do you mean on a server?
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15:56<j__>Is it possible to add a new partition on a free space on HHD where an other partition is mounted?
15:56<Magnus>no i need to change the mime type of a text file
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15:56<Magnus>from text/plain to /text/javascript
15:57<Magnus>it's needed by the application
15:57<vasi>Magnus, can you be more specific?
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15:57<vasi>maybe there's another solution
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15:57<Magnus>no there's not
15:57<Magnus>i just wanna change the header
15:58<vasi>ah ok, on a server
15:58<vasi>see, i needed to know that :-)
15:58<Magnus>on my pc
15:58<Magnus>no no
15:58<vasi>so you're not talking about the HTTP header? what header do you mean?
15:58<Magnus>i can write a little python script to make an new file from the older but i'm lazy
15:58<Magnus>i'm talking about the mime-type of a text file
15:58<j__>Is it possible to add a new partition on a free space on HHD where an other partition is mounted?
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15:59<vasi>as far as i know, there isn't a 'mime type' for your files
15:59<vasi>your file manager simply decides based on the extension
15:59<Magnus>olivier, ?
15:59<Magnus>it's french not ?
15:59<olivier>hi ;)
15:59<olivier>why ?
15:59<Magnus>because i've got a teamates who's strugguling with debian
16:00<Magnus>& he is french
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16:00<olivier>struggling ?
16:00<Magnus>he has trouble with his nvidia card
16:00<Tycale>ok, I'm on 1280*1024 now :D
16:00<olivier>me too
16:00<Tycale>Thanks you :)
16:00<Magnus>there is a mime type
16:00<olivier>that's why i'm here !
16:00<Magnus>it's a fact
16:00<Magnus>for compiz ?
16:00<Magnus>am i wrong ?
16:00<olivier>I can't install nvidia drivers :(
16:01<olivier>(i'm new on debian, comin' from ubuntu)
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16:01<Tycale>Now, I want to install the 3D destkop. What have I to do ? (I'm coming from Mandriva)
16:01|-|BeN changed nick to Rikimaru
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16:02<suiside>Tycale: beryl / compiz / compiz fusion?
16:03<Tycale>yes :)
16:03<Rikimaru>vasi, i dont' have any filemanager
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16:03<Rikimaru>& when i execute file -i there are some mime-types on my files
16:04<vasi>Rikimaru, yes, what i'm saying is that this 'mime type' is not a piece of data
16:04<vasi>it is like a calculated property
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16:04<vasi>the 'file' command looks at the extension of your file, and at its contents, and decides what sort of file it is
16:05<Rikimaru>no i don't think so
16:05<Tycale> --> I'm going to do that :)
16:05<suiside>olivier: you'll have to be more elaborate in your description of the problem if you want help, basically all you need to do is to install the nvidia-kernel package and run dkpg-reconfigure xorg-x11
16:06<vasi>Rikimaru, look at the file /usr/share/file/magic.mime
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16:06<vasi>it has the rules that file uses for deciding on the mime type
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16:06<Rikimaru>it ok
16:06<stew>vasi: i don't think the file command looks at the filename extension
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16:07<Rikimaru>i don't think too
16:07<Rikimaru>when you create a file for exemple a cgi
16:07<vasi>stew, i think you're right that the extension doesn't matter
16:07<Rikimaru>you can modify the header
16:07<suiside>file does not look at the file extension, that would be absurd
16:08<vasi>ok, anyhow it certainly does look at the file contents
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16:08<vasi>you can't arbitrarily tell 'file' that 'the mime type of file X is Y'
16:08<vasi>and have it remember that fact
16:08<Rikimaru>i don't
16:08<vasi>you have to change the actual contents of the file so it actually IS a file of the type that you want
16:08<Rikimaru>i just change the extension of the file
16:08<Rikimaru>& the mime-type is the same
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16:09<suiside>vasi: point being?
16:09<vasi>suiside, well Rikimaru is asking 'how do i change the mime type of a file?'
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16:09<alveola>is there debian-ru channel?
16:09<Rikimaru>i think i'm gonna do
16:09<Rikimaru>something like this
16:10<Rikimaru>in re-making a new file
16:10<vasi>dude, you said it was a file on your file system!
16:10<vasi>not on a server
16:10<Swat->Good evening, can someone help me figuring out why and old bsd partion wont mount on debian?
16:10<Rikimaru>yes it is
16:10<lennart>is there a special channel where I can ask help for installing debian on MIPS?
16:10<olivier>@ suiside, I discuss on the #debian-fr channel ;) thanks
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16:11<Swat->i keep on getting ufs_read_super: bad magic number
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16:13<suiside>Swat-: I'm no expert but I've understood you have to declare the ufstype to mount when mounting ufs-partitions
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16:14<witte>lennart: maybe #debian-boot?
16:14<lennart>witte, thanks, I
16:15<lennart>will give it a try
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16:15<Rikimaru>my mistake
16:15<lennart>\join #debian-boot
16:15<Rikimaru>you were right
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16:16<vasi>np :-)
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16:17<suiside>something in the lines of 'mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /path/to/device /path/to/mountpoint' (please doublecheck from another source before entering, as I said, I'm no expert)
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16:17<Woodje>does anyone know much about bonded network interfaces?
16:18<Swat->suiside: i have done that
16:18<Swat->suiside: mount -o ro -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/sda1 /mnt/
16:18<Swat->for example, i have tried all the ufstype options
16:19<Swat->and it doesnt see the freebsd partition trough dmesg, it only sees sda1
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16:19<los>są tu jacys polacy?
16:20<dpkg>from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
16:20<stew>Woodje: ask a more specific question
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16:21<Rajohan>will i need all 3 cd's to install or will 1 be enough?
16:21<azeem>Rajohan: one is enough
16:21<azeem>actually, a netinst ISO should be enough if you have decent internet and a supported network adapter
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16:22<Woodje>ok, i'm using Etch, i've confiured bonding for two network interfaces as per the guides on the web. the bonding works fine, however after about 60 seconds of booting up, the default gateway disapears (but is there initially), and a 'link-local' entry in the routing table appears (i think its the autoconfig range?).
16:22<Woodje>if i disable bonding and use interfaces normally I do not get this behaviour.
16:23<Rajohan>azeem my network adapter is not working so im using a usb adapter who need to be installed to work. So i dont think the network installer will work
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16:23<stew>Woodje: 169.254.x.x?
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16:24<Woodje>yes - i beleive so. give me a sec and i'll do route -n to confirm.
16:24<Rajohan>azeem but why is there 3 cd's if you only need 1
16:24<stew>Woodje: do you have the zeroconf package installed?
16:24<stew>Rajohan: in case you are installing onto a machine that can't get onto the internet
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16:25<vasi>Rajohan, i think it depends which packages you want
16:25<stew>vasi: it does not
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16:25<stew>well depending on what you mean
16:25<vasi>ok guess not, i must be remembering wrong
16:26<stew>if one is installing onto a non-networked computer you only need the cds containing pacakges you want to install, but if you are installing onto a networked machine, it doens't matter what you want
16:26<Rajohan>but after cd 1 i will be able to start debian and use it or will i need to get my pc on internett to download the rest files
16:26<vasi>stew, well Rajohan doesn't seem to have a working network adapter
16:26<vasi>so i think it matters to him :-)
16:26<stew>Rajohan: you will be able to start debian and use it. but some package you may want may not happen to be on the first cd, in which case you will have to either install them from another cd or from the internet
16:27<vasi>Rajohan, you will certainly be able to start debian
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16:27<Rajohan>i need to get linux work and then install the network adapter
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16:27<stew>Rajohan: do you know which driver supports your network adapter?
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16:27<azeem>Rajohan: actually, there's 15 CDs
16:27<Woodje>stew: sorry how do i check to see if i have a package installed (text console only)
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16:27<stew>i thought it was 21 cds
16:27<azeem>or so
16:28<Rajohan>stew no but i hope it will work
16:28<stew>Woodje: apt-cache policy zeroconf | grep Installed
16:28<Woodje>stew: thanks, no its not installed. [ Installed: (none)
16:29<Woodje>the line is:
16:29<Woodje> U 0 0 0 eth1
16:29<stew>Woodje: can you show me the output of "ip a ; ip r" from when it is functioning normally, then also from after it has gotten the link-local address?
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16:30<stew>i don't know any other packages besides zeroconf that configure link-local addresses, dunno if maybe one of the dhcp clients would
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16:31<Rajohan>stew: <-- i gor something like that just an older one
16:31<Woodje>hmm, unforutnatly i can't as the only way to reproduce it is to reboot which can't be done atm.
16:32<Woodje>i've run that command now and i can see that eth1 has a link-local part, but eth0 doesn't.
16:32<Woodje>is it ok to paste it here? or shall i pm it?
16:32<stew>Woodje: neither, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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16:35<Woodje>^^ that is after the problem with a manual default route to get the server working.
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16:38<brent>I did a dpkg -S (to have youtube videos playing), and it returned flashplugin-nonfree, so I installed it but in about:plugins it is not installed, how do I install it?
16:39<brent>a friend of mine installed flashplugin-nonfree and he didn't need to do anything else
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16:51<Guest515>anybody know a good server for c programming?
16:51<stew>Guest515: server?
16:51<azeem>irc server?
16:51<Guest515>yes, an irc server.
16:51<azeem>Guest515: I suggest reading the book by Kernighan & Ritchie, and then read code others wrote
16:51<azeem>e.g. coreutils
16:52<Guest515>:-) ive heard of that richie guy
16:52<stew>Guest515: ##c on
16:52<Guest515>stew: ty
16:52<Myon>these might be the most conflicting indentation styles ever :)
16:52<Guest515>im not a big irc'er
16:52<azeem>Myon: if you care about indentation, do python :P
16:53<Guest515>in fact, i connected as root so you guys can see my code
16:53<Guest515>is that cool or what?!
16:53<Myon>ircing as root is just stupid
16:53<azeem>Guest515: do you have a Debian question?
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16:56<Woodje>stew: I've checked out the zeroconf page and i mentions a package called avahi, which i do have installed. I guess i'll try removing that.
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16:58<stew>i thought avahi was depending on zeroconf, not the other way around
16:59<stew>Woodje: it would really be most helpful to see the state beofore and after it breaks
17:00<seth1248>Can anyone help me diagnose a problem: I added a keyboard layout in control center and now my arrow keys do not work.
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17:00<seth1248>I need to see if there is some configuration file that is being changed when I run control center.
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17:01<Rikimaru>does anybody knows if you can install compiz-fusion on debian etch ?
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17:02<Rikimaru>no ?
17:02<jMCg>Why does Debian's libaprutil package come without MySQL support?
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17:05<seth1248>Rikimaru: I tried compiz on etch a while back and was unsuccessful. I do have beryl working pretty well though.
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17:07<Rikimaru>on sid ?
17:08<seth1248>Rikimaru: No on etch.
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17:09<Rikimaru>can you give me the sources
17:10<seth1248>Rikimaru: Yes, go to beryls website:
17:10<Rikimaru>is it compiz
17:10<Rikimaru>or compiz-fusion
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17:11<seth1248>Rikimaru: Then click on wiki (top of the page), on the next page click on debian (under installation).
17:12<Rikimaru>i don't wanna beryl
17:12<Rikimaru>but compiz fusion
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17:14<seth1248>Rikimaru: sorry, can't help there.
17:14<Rikimaru>no pb
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17:16<miksuh>Rikimaru: if you want stable system, don't even think about installing compiz fusion
17:17<Rikimaru>just wanna test it
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17:45<team24>i'd to known how to contact Sam Hocevar
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17:46<team24>i'd like to known how to contact Sam Hocevar about "Debian looking for new FTP assistants"?
17:47<azeem>team24: are you a debian developer?
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17:47<team24>no kernel dev in a firm
17:47<azeem>the position is only open for debian developers, sorry
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17:48<team24>Yes but he wrote
17:48<team24>"Though I have already received a few offers to help, most of them were from people already very deeply committed to other tasks in Debian, which kind of defeats the idea of having fresh blood in the teams. Which is not to say that their help is not being considered or appreciated, but rather that I *also* would like to see more "new" people."
17:48[~]gar is back
17:48<azeem>team24: that still means Debian Developership is a prerequisite
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17:49<azeem>team24: though I agree that paragraph is a bit misleading
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17:51<team24>And if i'd like to help/ be involved even, what i have to do?
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17:51<azeem>team24: there's tons of other ways to help Debian
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17:52<team24>not really clear, i'm intrest about this offer in particular
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17:53<team24>i've been a IT manager for 2 years
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17:53<azeem>this is not a management position
17:54<SID130>çäðàâñòâóéòå óâîæàåìûå äåáèàíùèêè, íå ïîäñêàæèòå ëè ãäå ìîæíà íàéòè äîêó ïî ñáîðêå debian etch èç èñõîäíèêîâ?
17:54<team24>IT Manager means althougth Network manager in this firm
17:54<azeem>SID130: english only, please
17:54<team24>so FTP management etc....
17:54<azeem>do you know dak?
17:54<eldowan>I am having to reload a home server due to a root disc failure(the drive won't come up in ANY system). It had sarge, but I'm going to put etch on it. The server was mostly an NFS server. I don't remember if I used the kernel or userspace version. Is there a benifit to one over the other? if it makes any difference here is the line in my clients fstab which worked flawlessly: /media/p3 nfs hard,rsize=8192,wsize=8192
17:55<azeem>"If you are interested in becoming FTP assistant, you should:
17:55<azeem>immediately get familiar with as many of the tools and procedures that you may have access to (such as dak [6]), ideally start working on the tasks that do not require specific credentials"
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17:58<team24>I agree but I think it also A Link in the Chain
17:58<azeem>team24: if you want to become an ftp-assistant, become a Debian Developer first
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17:59<azeem>end of story
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17:59<team24>so how to become a Debian Developer first
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18:03<team24_>azeem: thanks for the information
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18:05<team24_>i've already read this page before
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18:06<team24_>but i never found an existing Debian developer that can agreed to be an advocate and verify my application?
18:08<azeem>team24_: then maybe you haven't contributed to Debian enough yet?
18:08<eldowan>what is the difference between userspace and kernelspace nfs, or where can I read info on the differences?
18:09<eldowan>what is the difference between userspace and kernelspace nfs, or where can I read info on the differences?
18:09<team24_>I only work on the kernel not really on a distribution
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18:09<azeem>team24_: then why do you want to work on debian?
18:09<eldowan>sorry for the double post
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18:09<azeem>triple post
18:09<team24_>azeem: because i used it since 6 years now
18:10<chch>hi there
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18:10<azeem>team24_: the usual way to start contributing to debian is to submit patches, fix bugs and eventually maintain packages
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18:10<team24_>the only soft that i really known is the kernel
18:10<chch>could you tellme some advice
18:12<team24_>is it really help full ?
18:12<azeem>team24_: you could contribute to the Debian kernel team
18:12<chch>the save screen dont turn off in debian
18:12<azeem>no idea whether they need new contributors though
18:12<azeem>team24_: do you have/know architectures besides i386/amd64/powerpc?
18:12<frank>eldowan: hm, just like the name says, one runs in userspace other in kernel, so if your kernel does not have support for nfs server, then you need to use the userspace-version, kernel-space might be a bit quicker
18:13<azeem>eldowan: I think user-space nfs is recommended these days
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18:13<team24_>ppc x86(Intel,AMD,and Geode), PXA, SH4 (ST-Microelectronics)
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18:14<dennis>Question: I just edited the /udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and changed it to suit my needs, will z25_persistent-net.rules on the next reboot change anything? do i need to edit z25_persistent-net.rules or just maing the changes in /udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules is good enough?
18:14<valdyn>dennis: why dont you read the few lines on top of that file?
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18:15<dennis>valdyn: the i need to make my changes in the generator file?
18:15<azeem>team24_: dunno, see the debian-kernel mailing list maybe
18:15<frank>dennis: no
18:16<valdyn>dennis: no
18:16<dennis>thanks.. :)
18:16<dennis>so i am to make nore more changes... :)
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18:18<eldowan>frank: azeem: thanks for the information.
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18:21<frank>eldowan: you can also read the description of the packages by invoking aptitude show nfs-kernel-server nfs-user-server
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18:27<eldowan>frank: got you. Again, thanks.
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18:32<mike_>I am semi new to linux and have been using ubuntu, but I'd like to try debian now is there any pitfalls I should be aware of, or will the switch be pretty transparent? Thanks!
18:32<ben_goodger>depends, really
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18:33<ben_goodger>debian lacks a lot of the one-click stuff that ubuntu users have been latching onto recently, such as the newly introduced driver installation shizz
18:33<ben_goodger>otherwise, it's more or less the same thing
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18:33<witte>ben_goodger: I wouldn't day lacks, but rather does not install by default
18:34<mike_>what do you mean? is it hard to configure my hardware?
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18:34<ben_goodger>witte: debian lacks the tool that says "click here to install nvidia-glx and just make the bastard work without manually fiddling with xorg.conf for a bit"
18:35<ben_goodger>mike_: no, it just doesn't hold your hand as much when it comes to things like proprietary drivers
18:35<witte>ben_goodger: euhm, could be, don't have nvidia-glx :-)
18:35<mike_>there is decent documentation though right?
18:35<eldowan>mike_: I wouldn't say it would be hard, or a pitfall. I would say just more involved. Kind of like switching from a automatic transmission to a standard(sort of)
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18:36<mike_>I see well I installed freebsd once and it was sort of painful shoudl debian be any easier?
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18:36<ben_goodger>mike_: there's lots of documentation
18:36<ben_goodger>debian shouldn't be any more painful than ubuntu
18:36<mike_>wonderful :)
18:36<ben_goodger>the installer is rather better, certainly
18:36<mike_>I just want somethign stable and a stable de
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18:36<ben_goodger>well, debian is pretty stable
18:37<eldowan>mike_: from what I understand freebsd is *completely* different and much more difficult to install and administer than debian is.
18:37<mike_>speakign of DE does kde work well on debian?
18:37<eldowan>espically the stable branch
18:37<mike_>I seem to prefer the features of kde but maybe I just don't know how to use the others :P
18:37<ben_goodger>mike_: yes, but you'll need to install it manually ("aptitude install kde-desktop-environment"
18:37<ben_goodger>however, I recommend GNOME
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18:37<eldowan>mike_: I use KDE pretty much exclusively in Debian, and haven't had an issue.
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18:38<ben_goodger>(in fact, debian is so stable that the current release was delayed by six months from its original goal, to remove the last forty or so release-critical bugs)
18:38<mike_>yeah I like the way gnome's a smoothe ride, but either it is lackign in some kind of functionalities I appreciate or I just have not found them :P
18:38<stew>mike_: he means "aptidue install kde xorg" not kde-desktop-environment
18:38<frank>gnome or kde is just a matter of, what you like more
18:38<eldowan>mike_: I'm not sure this will interest you, but you can have both KDE and GNOME (and others) at the same time. you can actually log into both at the same time and switch between them with 3 keys pressed to see the differences.
18:39<ben_goodger>currently, we have lots of them
18:39<ben_goodger>indeed so, but that sort of thing is fiddly
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18:41<mike_>well judging by your responses and helpfulness the "community" is definately a winner if nothign else (check one for debian) :P
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18:42<eldowan>I've browsed in the ubuntu forums on freenode, or oftc I don't remember. I didn't like the tone of the channel there. go figure.
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18:42<ben_goodger>debian has a bloody huge community and a massive infrastructure, but it's not terribly obvious (we don't use a massive proprietary backend)
18:42<ben_goodger>eldowan: you mean #ubuntu@freenode?
18:43<ben_goodger>eldowan: it tends to be OK, except for the fact that there is often an informal queue system in operation for aimless newbies
18:43<eldowan>ben_goodger: that might have been it. It was some months ago. I think it had something to do with ubuntu mergind or being bought out or something. I really don't remember, so I could have made both of those up just now.
18:44<ben_goodger>that'll probably be the linspire thingummy
18:44<eldowan>ben_goodger: I was asking a question of an article I read, and was berated, yell at, insulted and the like.
18:44<eldowan>didn't take to it kindly, haven't been back.
18:44<eldowan>THAT was it!. Yes indeed.
18:45<mike_>hate to sound like a total newb but I can install packages in a similar way as well using like apt-get and such right?
18:45<ben_goodger>basically, ubuntu users now get all the benefits of ClickNRun
18:45<ben_goodger>mike_: of course. debian invented that system
18:45<mike_>right I figured lol
18:45<ben_goodger>mike_: even better, the upgrade path isn't totally broken
18:45<mike_>but then...what do I know :)
18:45<azeem>clicknrun got invented by Lindows
18:45<eldowan>mike_: yes indeed. aptitude even. IIRC aptitude is recommended these days for package tracking, no?
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18:46<mike_>so it is best to install thigns with aptitude?
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18:46<ben_goodger>mike_: indeed
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18:46<mike_>and if so..I remember reading it installs recommended packages as well is there a way to circumvent that?
18:46<eldowan>mike_: it will cut down on the un-neede packages when you uninstall something.
18:47<mike_>or is that prefered behavior even?
18:47<eldowan>mike_: it install recommended packages if you set it up that way. I haven't touched mine, and it hasn't ever installed one. it lets me know which are recommended but dosen't installed them.
18:47<ben_goodger>...ClickNRun is a proprietary system that enables people to be charged for rebranded copies of software already included in the debian repositories, such as "Linspire Internet Suite" (mozilla suite 1.7) or "Linspire Internet Messenger" (gaim 1.3) or "Linspire Office" (openoffice 1.1)
18:47<mike_>I cannot stand excess :P
18:47<eldowan>mike_: I believe to install them you can use a switch at the commandline when you install, or you can edit a preferences file to set it up to installed the recommends automatically.
18:47<eldowan>mike_: then why do you like KDE? :D
18:48<mike_>you got me there
18:48<mike_>it's nto that I like kde
18:48<mike_>and I am open to a new user however it seems to have more of the "options" I do want
18:48<ben_goodger>well, try GNOME. it comes with debian as standard (in the desktop thingummy) and it's really very nice, at least from my standpoint
18:48<mike_>sometimes you have to take more than you want to get what you woudl like it seems :P
18:49<eldowan>mike_: I was just making a joke. there are quite a few good options. I like KDE, but i've had success with fluxbox, icewm(iirc), blackbox and others.
18:49<ben_goodger>I find that KDE tries too hard to emulate windows, but it can't stand to be accused of that so there's a radio button for everything they could think of
18:49<mike_>there are a few programs that I seem to like better like gwenview but maybe there is somethign better in gnome?
18:49<eldowan>GNOME never took a shine to me.
18:49<mike_>mainly I suppose it has been the "extra" software mostly
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18:50<ben_goodger>mike_: what does gwenview do?
18:50<ben_goodger>if it's a pdf viewer, there's evince, which supports nearly everything including PDFs...
18:51<zulu9>gwenview is an image viewer
18:51<mike_>well it has a really nice interface
18:51<zulu9>I like it too
18:51<mike_>I tried it on gnome but it went loco on me :P
18:51<zulu9>slideshows, thumbnails etc
18:51<zulu9>intergration into konqui
18:51<zulu9>I prefer kde over gnome mainly because of konqueror and overall integration of the different parts
18:51<witte>ben_goodger: there is something for everybody, some people like gnome, some people like kde, some people hate both ;-)
18:52<ben_goodger>oh, I see
18:52<ben_goodger>have a look at eyeofgnome (eog), f-spot, etc
18:52<zulu9>also gnome(gtk)-apps on kde seem to look better than kde(qt)-apps on gnome to me ;)
18:52<mike_>right as I use them more and more I find plenty things I love and despise abotu both lol
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18:53<ben_goodger>zulu9: that's because Qt has a GTK emulator, while GTK doesn't have a Qt emulator
18:54<ben_goodger>or is it the other way around...
18:54<ben_goodger>anyway, KDE somehow makes it so that GTK stuff uses the currently selected Qt toolkit, while GNOME doesn't do the opposite
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18:54<zulu9>also qt-apps most times look more "polished" to me. file-dialogs etc
18:54<zulu9>but of course it is all a matter of personal taste
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18:55<mike_>I like functionality but not necessarily "pretty" for instance in windows XP (I hope this is nto a curse word here) I tune it for preformance in the end it has all the functionality but looks like windows 2000 or earlier and such :)
18:55<zulu9>and if a gtk-app is better for certain things I will use it on kde and feel happy that this is possible
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18:56<zulu9>desktop env only is a problem if you can't choose by yourself, for isntance when working on shared computers at school etc
18:56<ben_goodger>yes, that's always annoying
18:57<ben_goodger>although frankly I've never, ever encountered a computer outside of my home that had a screen and wasn't running windows
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18:57<zulu9>at my universtiy most computers run some kind of linux
18:57<zulu9>the real public ones run knoppix
18:57<ben_goodger>which country is this? :)
18:57<zulu9>the not so public ones usually run suse or ubuntu together with win200 or XP (dualboot)
18:58<ben_goodger>ah. typical..
18:58<mike_>mainly I just want to learn as much about it all as possible..quite a few people depend on me to keep their pcs running and I am trying to convert them all to linux so I want to get it all down to simplify my chores lol :P
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18:58<zulu9>the dualboot ones have the suse or ubuntu as default option
18:58<mike_>hello Rick
18:58<zulu9>and the win-isntalls are hardly restricted due to security reasons
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18:59<zulu9>so you can actually do much more if you just boot the linux
18:59<ben_goodger>I apologise for my country's conduct in the war. I'm in Britain... and every school in the country is obligated to run a proprietary registration system which requires windows
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18:59<zulu9>ben_goodger: ouch. this is really bad
18:59<ben_goodger>well, I'm no longer at school
18:59<zulu9>me neither
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19:00<zulu9>we did not have linux at school too
19:00<ben_goodger>but for a number of complicated reasons, the computers at my college run windows also
19:00<Rick_Hunter>hehe, use wine
19:00<zulu9>only winNT
19:00<zulu9>universtities seem to be a lot further there
19:00<beaufils>Got trouble inserting kvm_intel, for instance "kvm_intel: Unknown symbol kvm_resched", using 2.6.22. Any ideas where to look ?
19:00<ben_goodger>Rick_Hunter: you don't realise how very windowsy this thing was..
19:01<zulu9>you can even choose between kde, gnome and I think icewm on the boxes at my institute
19:01<zulu9>and for computers I don't have to admin I don't care if it is ubuntu or suse ;)
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19:02<ben_goodger>I'd care..
19:02<ben_goodger>sorry, beaufils... we're not ignoring you, but people don't tend to reply to say "sorry, can't help"
19:02<Th|sD|cK>i have flashplayer plugin problem
19:02<ben_goodger>Th|sD|cK: go on..
19:03<zulu9>ben_goodger: I care if I have to manage the system
19:03<zulu9>but those boxes are for "trivial" tasks like browsing, chatting (IM), openoffice etc
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19:03<Th|sD|cK>i copy files in /.mozilla/plugins folder and another folders like iceweal and firefox, but it does not run
19:04<zulu9>and from a only user point of view there is not much difference if the thing runs ubuntu, suse, fedora or debian
19:04<tao4mike>hey there a way to uninstall all um "packages" that get installed with another as dependencies in one swoop? I always worry when I try somethign and do not like it that after uninstalling it it leaves the "dependent" packages or does it tend to remove them as well?
19:04<zulu9>for my personal computers at home etc I choose debian of course (sid)
19:04<ben_goodger>tao4mike: that doesn't happen if you use aptitude
19:04<tao4mike>wonderful that's waht i was wondering :)
19:04<ben_goodger>tao4mike: or the apt-get from Testing
19:05<ben_goodger>they just clear out the unused stuff when you remove what depends on it
19:05<zulu9>tao4mike: I usually copy the ones that a package installs into a textfile for later reference. also there is deborphan, a tool which might help to find out packages that are not needed anymore
19:05<ben_goodger>Th|sD|cK: what's the exact filename of the file you're installing?
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19:06<beaufils>ben_goodger, no problem, I am just looking here after googling a bit without success :-(
19:06<ben_goodger>beaufils: my commiserations
19:06<Th|sD|cK>ben_goodger, they're flashplayer.xpt and i take by tar.gx files
19:06<ben_goodger>unfortunately, I know sod-all about KVM :)
19:06<teck>gtkBitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.18-4-686
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19:07<zulu9>Th|sD|cK: you could just use the flashplugin-nonfree package from contrib repo
19:07<ben_goodger>Th|sD|cK: try copying to /usr/share/mozilla/plugins instead, or do as zulu9 just said, thus saving me some typing
19:10<Th|sD|cK>ben_goodger, there isn't /usr/share/mozilla/plugins
19:10<ben_goodger>then make it
19:11<zulu9>I thought is was /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
19:11<tao4mike>oh my...should I download the minimal system for install or if nto how many of the multiple "cds" would I need for a typical setup
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19:11<zulu9>plus maybe symlinks to it in /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/ etc
19:12<ben_goodger>zulu9: it might be that
19:12<ben_goodger>tao4mike: I advise that you download the netinst image, that will give you the latest automatically (downloaded during install)
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19:13<ben_goodger>unless you have some freaky networking hardware, but if that worked without fiddling on ubuntu it will almost certainly work here
19:13<cire>Hi. Me and my flatmate are discussing about the meaning of the CPU steppings. (those from /proc/cpuinfo). In my opinion, a new stepping means changes in the architecture of a certain cpu. My flatmate thinks, the lower the stepping number, the better the quality. What is correct?
19:13<tao4mike>that would be the option: Download a minimal bootable CD image?
19:13<ben_goodger>tao4mike: more or less, I think...
19:15<zulu9>stepping : 2 here on my 1Ghz AMD Athlon (pretty old)
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19:16<ben_goodger>me also
19:16<cire>zulu9: not sure whether this will bring our discussion forward ;) I have stepping 8 on my Pentium-M
19:16<ben_goodger>I don't really understand what it means, but it looks vaguely like a cpu scaling thing
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19:16<ben_goodger>if it is related to cpu scaling, then a higher number probably means it's had its clock speed reduced to save power
19:17<cire>Nobody sure what the stepping means?
19:18<zulu9>cire: I think stepping only is some kind of identifier for a certain production series of a cpu
19:18<zulu9>but you can't say a higher value is better or something
19:18<cire>zulu9: That's exactly what I am thinking!
19:18<zulu9>but I think there are forums etc around that discuss which stepping of a certain cpu is the best
19:19<cire>yeah, those overclockers need certain steppings
19:19<zulu9>only useful if you plan to overclock the cpu I think
19:19<zulu9>yes. has something to do with the qualitiy of the silicium
19:19<zulu9>but you can't tell which one is better from the numbers alone
19:21<cire>I think, a new stepping indicates a new production series, as you already said. This MAY include better quality of silicium or sth like that. But it is NOT a quality identifier. Right?
19:21<zulu9>right. nobody says they use bettter silicium for the next series ;)
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19:23<Th|sD|cK>ben_goodger, i created the folders and copy files into, but don't run, zulu9, i already copyied files into folder you mean and another mozilla. firefox iceweasel folders
19:23<cire>okay, thanks a lot.
19:23<ben_goodger>silicium? heheh
19:25<zulu9>Th|sD|cK: is it listed in iceweasel's about:plugins page?
19:25<zulu9>just type about:plugins into the adress-bar
19:25<Th|sD|cK>i already see...didn't list
19:26<zulu9>Th|sD|cK: did you try the debian package from contrib I meantioned yet?
19:26<zulu9>usually this is the easiest no-headache way
19:27<Th|sD|cK>with aptitude, don't any files
19:27<Th|sD|cK>with aptitude, don't any pkg
19:27<Th|sD|cK>don't find
19:28<zulu9>you have to have to contrib repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list
19:28<zulu9>url depends on which version of debian you are using
19:28<zulu9>deb unstable main contrib non-free I use this on debian/unstable (sid)
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19:30<ben_goodger>ah, bloody hell, how do I read UIF files in debian?
19:31<Th|sD|cK> i have main contrib non-free in sources.list
19:31<zulu9>then you should see a pkg called flashplugin-nonfree
19:31<Th|sD|cK>sorry, i have stabel too
19:31<zulu9>ben_goodger: what are UIF files?
19:32<ben_goodger>Universal Image Format
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19:32<ben_goodger>which is about as universal as microsoft word
19:32<ben_goodger>nvm, I found a proper one
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19:33<reese>Does anyone know why...
19:33<reese>I can never connect to irc chat from a wireless connection?
19:34<zulu9>reese: having different firewall setups either on the box or on the router for wired vs. wireless connections?
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19:35<reese>so it's on the wireless provider? (... since my machine is pure linux)
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19:36<zulu9>if it is a public AP chances are high they block stuff like IRC
19:36<reese>zulug: I like to go around to coffee shops and bookstores that provide free wifi
19:36<Th|sD|cK>i found the error, i don't have nspluginwrapper ia32-libs-gtk
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19:37<reese>i can do everything else on the web, just not use my irc
19:37<zulu9>Th|sD|cK: didn't know you are on 64bit....
19:37<zulu9>64bit need special care to be able to run 32bit only stuff like closed source flashplugin etc
19:37<zulu9>this also explains the missing debian package
19:38<ben_goodger>read: nspluginwrapper
19:38<zulu9>reese: ask them if they block irc ports
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19:38<zulu9>or try on a friend's private wlan which probably does not block irc ports
19:38<reese>thx :-)
19:38<Th|sD|cK>zulu9 yes i'm amd64 ^_^
19:38<reese>i'll try those things
19:38<zulu9>Th|sD|cK: yes. this explains it all
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19:39<zulu9>flash and java need the nspluginwrapper
19:39<zulu9>or a chroot but pluginwrapper is better and easier
19:39<Th|sD|cK>but i try now to aptitude install and it removed flashplugin-nonfree too
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19:40<zulu9>I thought there was no flashplugin-nonfree pkg for you?
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19:41<zulu9>so how can it now be removed?
19:42<tao4mike>ok gonna try install debian now guys thanks bbl :)
19:42<Th|sD|cK>aptitude install nspluginwrapper ia32-libsgtk - at end of process asked me if it must remove the pkgs
19:43<zulu9>well, nevermind. does it work now?
19:43<Th|sD|cK>no sure
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19:44<Th|sD|cK>the errors are, impossible find verrsion bla bla bla of pkgs
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19:44<zulu9>maybe this helps. it is written for unstable but I think similar things apply to stable too
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19:45<zulu9>I'm on 32 bit myself but a friend wrote this howto ^
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19:48<Th|sD|cK>i can't install nspluginwrapper...that's the problem....
19:48<zulu9>hmm. ok. is is available in etch?
19:49<zulu9>I know it is not that old
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19:49<zulu9>so not sure if it is in the etch repos
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19:50<zulu9>it is in testing and unstable
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19:51<Th|sD|cK>what can i do?!
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19:51<Th|sD|cK>use wine to emulate browser!?
19:52<zulu9>it is not officially in etch
19:52<zulu9>but there is at least on inofficial repo that provides nspluginwrapper pkgs for etch
19:53<zulu9>no idea how good those pkgs are or how trustworthy the source is tho
19:53<Th|sD|cK>i fuck meself
19:54<Th|sD|cK>is not run in this way
19:55<zulu9>btw, why do you use 64 bit?
19:56<zulu9>do you do some 3D rendering, lots of compiling or similar tasks?
19:56<zulu9>I think for "normal"(tm) desktop use 32 bit is easier to handle esp for non-free things like flash
19:56<Th|sD|cK>i use 64 bit 'couse i have a 64 bit processor.....
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19:57<zulu9>the performance increase for usual desktop tasks is often not worth to be mentioned
19:57<zulu9>64bit has advantages in some special areas but you won't notice the diff on day-to-day work
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19:59<Th|sD|cK>can i install kernel 32bit?!
19:59<zulu9>I don't think you can switch after install
19:59<zulu9>backup & reinstall if you want to switch to 32bit
20:00<zulu9>this is not a debian or even a linux thing. as far as I know there is no flash etc for windows XP or vista 64bit too
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20:01<zulu9>native flash that is. there might be wrappers for win too just like there now is one in debian
20:01<zulu9>you might see if gnash (foss alternative to flash) displays the website you need fine
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20:02<zulu9>so you can dump flash totally. gnash is no problem no matter which arch (32, 64, etc)
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20:07<Th|sD|cK>OK, zulu9 the system don't installed newest version of nspluginwrapper... how do it?! it installed .1 i need .3
20:07<Th|sD|cK>sorry .4
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20:09<zulu9>where did you get the .1 package from?
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20:09<zulu9>is the current one
20:09<zulu9>in testing and unstable
20:10<Th|sD|cK>from link i added sources.list...but i read there is not version for amd64
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20:10<zulu9> is there I think
20:10<Th|sD|cK>yes it is
20:10<zulu9>should be the same
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20:11<zulu9>usually the numbers after the - indicate a recompile / repackage of the same version
20:11<Th|sD|cK>only solution i must try gnash
20:12<zulu9>gnash is fine for many sites but I don't think it can handle gootube etc yet
20:12<zulu9>but they are getting there
20:12<zulu9>this won't help on etch of course ;)
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20:14<Th|sD|cK>then... i must emulate windows firefox browser!? with wine
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20:15<zulu9>not sure if that works on 64bit
20:15<zulu9>does wine even work there??
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20:15<Th|sD|cK>i use wine on 64 bit
20:15<vasi>my sound seems to be dropping out intermittently
20:15<vxdscn>Hello, I just installed moinmoin using the instructions from: However, the css files for moinmoin are not loading.. I am getting the moinmoin webpage without any css formating? Does anyone know? I am running Etch-stable
20:15<Th|sD|cK>but i must force it
20:16<Th|sD|cK>if i download flash player 8 !?
20:16<vasi>ie: i start playing a song, and 5 to 30 seconds later it stops
20:16<Th|sD|cK>i try
20:16<vasi>it doesn't seem to matter which player i use
20:16<zulu9>Th|sD|cK: better ask another 64bit user for this
20:16<prahal>hi I want to make a dvd with scenes previous while keep a "play all" feature. Is there a way to have a menu entry for each chapters ?
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20:19<vasi>hmm, and sometimes sound comes back if i pause and restart
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20:23<luser>Is there an easy way to tell my lenny/sid to update all its symlinks to boot from the 2.6.21 kernel it's just installed? It's currently still pointing to the 2.6.18 files (which I've booted off).
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20:25<luser>is it just /initrd.img, /vmlinuz and a quick run of lilo?
20:26<E0x>when you update a linux-image in the process the grub menu is auto-regenerate
20:27<luser>In theory. Not, alas, in practice.
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20:28<vasi>you can always look at the postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info to see what a linux image usually does
20:28<vasi>though it's a kinda looong postinst script
20:29<luser>yeah, is a bit. thanks for the pointer though.
20:30<vasi>i'd help with the grub menu if i could, but i'm on ppc and know nothing of grub
20:30<luser>I think I'm feeling quite brave now though. My repairing of my system has seen my shuffling between boot single, ubuntu live CD, and tomsrtbt.
20:30<vasi>(aside: i think artsd is making trouble with the sound....hmm)
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20:31<luser>I'm lilo not grub. grub kinda sucks
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20:31<vasi>either way, we don't have 'em on ppc
20:31<luser>vasi - are you 64-bit or 32-bit PPC?
20:31<luser>bugger. I need to find a PPC64 linux expert
20:31<vasi>reasonably oldish power mac
20:32<vasi>you could try #debianppc?
20:32<vasi>i think there's a linux ppc channel on freenode, as well
20:32<luser>you're full of good ideas ;-)
20:32<luser>Hmmmm, wacky idea - I could remove 2.6.21, and then just install it again....
20:33<Th|sD|cK>zulu9, can i update kernel to -22 to have newest pkg versions?!
20:33<vasi>luser, don't have to remove it
20:33<luser>just run postinst?
20:33<vasi>there's a --reinstall flag to dpkg, or something like that
20:34<zulu9>Th|sD|cK: updating the kernel has nothing to with the versions of packages in the repo
20:35<luser>vasi - can't see that switch in man page
20:35<zulu9>*nothing to do*
20:35<vasi>luser, sorry....--reinstall flag to apt
20:35<Th|sD|cK>'cause...i'm downloading all newest pkg need nspluginwrapper
20:35<Th|sD|cK>it's chinese box
20:35<vasi>just 'dpkg -i /path/to/whatever.deb' does a reinstall
20:36<Th|sD|cK>there is a command that do thiss for me?
20:37<zulu9>it seems there is no nspluginviewer in etch. so the only way of getting it would be using inoffical repos
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20:37<luser>can't find the deb...
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20:38<vasi>luser, did you build it yourself?
20:38<vasi>or get it via apt?
20:38<vasi>or something else?
20:38<luser>nope, apt via dselect
20:39<vasi>ok, so then it's probably in /var/cache/apt/archives
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20:39<vasi>or, just do 'apt-get install --reinstall <name of pkg>' and it will know to use the already-downloaded deb
20:39<luser>Aha! I deleted .debs....
20:39<Th|sD|cK>zulu9, wait... i found nspluginwrapper for amd64...but it need anothers newest pkgs...and i am downloading this pkg, but it's long way...
20:39<vasi>heh, gotta redownload it then
20:40<Th|sD|cK>i downloading from
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20:40<zulu9>yes. flash on 64bit can be a hard thing to get
20:40<zulu9>hmm. using a libc from unstable in etch sounds like a bad idea
20:41<luser>$ sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7
20:41<Th|sD|cK>than... i did't upgrade to stable
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20:41<Th|sD|cK>i strike the hand to the wall :-D
20:42<Th|sD|cK>head sorry :-p
20:43<luser>Nope: $ sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7
20:43<vasi>luser, use the --reinstall flag as
20:43<vasi>yep :-)
20:43<luser>:-) You're a star, Vasi
20:43<vasi>just glad i can help, hope it does what you need
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20:44<vasi>hmm, i don't think artsd is actually my problem
20:45<vasi>killing it sometimes helps
20:45<vasi>but sometimes the sound drops even when artsd isn't running
20:45<luser>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.21-2-k7_2.6.21-6_i386.deb (--unpack):
20:45<luser> failed in buffer_write(fd) (9, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.21-2-k7/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko': No space left on device
20:45<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
20:45<luser>WAH! that's what caused the whole system to get in the broken state n the first place
20:45<vasi>luser, woah!
20:45<vasi>go make some space!
20:46<luser>Can't. / is 150MB
20:46<luser>I first installed linux on this machine back in 2.2 kernel days.
20:46<luser>150MB was ludicrously large in those days
20:46[~]vasi is a fan of one-big-partition
20:46[~]luser has 8
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20:47<vasi>(i'd be an even bigger fan of LVM, if the installers for various distros didn't wipe your disk as soon as you play with it)
20:47[~]luser runs servers for other people, and won't let /var encroach on anything else. Or /tmp....
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20:47<vasi>yeah, understandable that
20:47<vasi>can you repartition?
20:47<vasi>(what's next to / in the partition map?)
20:47<luser>Sent 2 hours doing that already this evening
20:48<Th|sD|cK>zulu9, it's installed yu-huuuuuuu
20:48<luser>The problem is, I'm sure, that it now wants _3_ OSes in /
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20:48<luser>2.6.16, broken 2.6.21, and space to install reinstall of 2.6.21
20:48<zulu9>Th|sD|cK: and working? what did the trick?
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20:49<vasi>i wouldn't think that a reinstall would use much space
20:49<vasi>maybe a max of the size of the largest file in the deb
20:49<luser>going to uninstall and reinstall, easiest way
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20:51<Th|sD|cK>zulu9, at the start, i didn't have nspluginwrapper...and when i installed i try this solution, but i try another way, the wrong way
20:51<luser>Argh! can't uninstall everything, it's set up hundreds of dependencies already
20:51<luser>by everything I mean .21 stuff
20:51<vasi>luser, what depends on linux-image?
20:51<Th|sD|cK>sorry, i didn't try the right way, but wrong way, then the instruction on link is right
20:52<luser>probably via libc
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20:52<luser>Ah, not the image - the kernel headers.
20:52<luser>Can purge the image itself: After unpacking 52.4MB disk space will be freed.
20:53<luser>right, try again...: /dev/hda5 171101 73527 90507 45% /
20:55<vasi>i still think repartitioning must be easier
20:55<vasi>heck, running out and buying a new hard drive might be easier ;-)
20:55<luser>The partition is big enough for old and new, that's what I did between about 1am and 2am...
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20:56<luser>When I first installed linux, everything fit on a single 80MB partition...
20:56<luser>And in 16MB of ram, with X, of course.
20:57<Th|sD|cK>zulu9, i have more problems... i can't listen mp3...i must config the audio device
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20:57<luser>vasi - install seems to be progressing OK...
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20:57<vasi>yikes, you've been running linux for awhile
20:58<sortadi>hi there
20:58<luser>Been using it since 1993
20:58<sortadi>how much time does an 'apt-file update' should take?
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20:58<luser>First ran it on my own machines in about 1994/5. Didn't go 100% that way until 1999
20:59<luser>Hmmm, it's not updated the symlinks: initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-k7
20:59<luser>So I've possibly achieved nothing in the last half hour :-(
20:59<vasi>i guess just do it manually
20:59<dondelelcaro>sortadi: depends on what mirrors
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21:00<sortadi>dondelelcaro, ok. It just finished. Thanks though
21:00<luser>I hope that it's just the / symlinks. THat post-inst isn't something I want to try to recreate the behaviour of myself!
21:00<sortadi>dondelelcaro, but when i search for something it returns tons of results
21:00<dondelelcaro>sortadi: yerp
21:01<luser>Heck, 5am, time for bed.
21:01<luser>Cheers Vasi you've been very useful even if my final destination hasn't been reached.
21:01<vasi>later luser, good luck
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21:22[~]Supaplex hides
21:23<MoohZ86>i have some problems with my debian, i installed, but for my first boot i have a "black screen" ( amd64 version )
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21:24<Supaplex>does it print any messages on boot first?
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21:41<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:43<inforbios>thank you very much
21:47<inforbios>channel slackware pt-br
21:48[~]ricky doesn't know about slackware channels.
21:48<ricky>Try asking in #slackware.
21:49<inforbios>thank you
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22:04<Th|sD|cK>how to configure audio device?
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22:06<dpkg>somebody said sound was ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to
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22:08<Th|sD|cK>!alsa checklist
22:08<dpkg>alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
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22:10<fenix>boa noite!
22:10<fenix>boa noite
22:11<daeos>is it possible to run bmon in the background so it constantly runs as to see a realtime monitor of traffic?
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23:04<tao4mike>ok I just set up debian with kde and I think I did it semi correctly lol anyhow my wireless card is not being recognized any suggestions where there may be info on how to configure it anyone?
23:05<Meztli-Xictli>what laptop?
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23:05<tao4mike>sony vaio
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23:06<tao4mike>I remember something abotu a restricted driver when I had ubuntu on here
23:06<tao4mike>but that's abotu all
23:06<Meztli-Xictli>that pcmcia?
23:07<tao4mike>no it's internal
23:08<Meztli-Xictli>that is linksys or ?
23:08<tao4mike>I am not positive :( is there any way to query it and see on linux?
23:08<tao4mike>I am a newb :)
23:08<tao4mike>I am pretty sure it is not a linksys though
23:09<tao4mike>would using a ubunti live cd give me soem info about it and if so..where should I look for that info
23:10<Meztli-Xictli>this good, sorry not it
23:10<tao4mike>let me see if sony has info on this model brb
23:11<Meztli-Xictli>ok, perfect
23:13<tao4mike>this is the only wireless card listed for this model as "original"
23:15<tao4mike>Intel pro/wireless 3945abg network connection driver
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23:15<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
23:16<tao4mike> do I know?
23:16<tao4mike>I have hte um x86 "version" :P
23:16<tao4mike>32 bit processor
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23:16<tao4mike>thanks soo much guys btw :)
23:17<Meztli-Xictli>ok, my laptop is dell and my pcmcia is intel, I not problem
23:17<chealer>tao4mike: uname -r
23:17<Meztli-Xictli>this run perfecto with bcm43XX
23:18<tao4mike>ahh thanks
23:18<gsimmons>tao4mike: Use 'lspci | grep Ethernet' to list the ethernet devices in your system. If it's a 3945abg, follow dpkg's suggestion above. If you don't have lspci installed, install the 'pciutils' package.
23:18<Meztli-Xictli>with eth0
23:19<Meztli-Xictli>I have 2.6.21 - 686
23:20<tao4mike>0a:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection (rev 02)
23:20<tao4mike>this is what I get for that but that seems to be my ethernet card which I am using now
23:20<tao4mike>it doesn't show my wireless?
23:20<gsimmons>tao4mike: What interface is your wireless card? Mini PCI? PCMCIA/Cardbus? etc?
23:21<tao4mike>I assume mini pci I am not really sure..I know it is internal though
23:21<tao4mike>not pcmcia
23:22<gsimmons>tao4mike: Can you provide the output of 'lspci -n' at a paste site?
23:22<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: or or for pics.
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23:23<tao4mike>sure one sec
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23:29<chealer>tao4mike: that's normal. wireless cards aren't Ethernet card.
23:30<gsimmons>tao4mike: Yep, you have a 3945ABG (PCI ID 80864222). Follow dpkg's earlier instructions.
23:30<tao4mike>ok thank you :)
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