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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-07-17

---Logopened Tue Jul 17 00:00:18 2007
---Daychanged Tue Jul 17 2007
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00:05<davidh>Can't open display
00:06<davidh>export DISPLAY=0.0 does not work
00:06<davidh>what should I do
00:06<dondelelcaro>davidh: does DISPLAY=:0.0 xeyes; or similar work?
00:06<davidh>dondelelcaro: what xeyes?
00:07<dondelelcaro>davidh: the xeyes xeyes... or some other X client
00:07<davidh>connection to ":0.0" refused by server
00:08<davidh>Error: Can't open display: :0.0
00:08<dondelelcaro>davidh: are you the user that is running the X server? What does XAUTHORITY say?
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00:08<davidh>dondelelcaro: I log in as root
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00:09<dondelelcaro>davidh: if you're root, then you need to set XAUTHORITY to the path of the .Xauthority of the user who is running the X server.
00:09<dondelelcaro>(since hopefully you're not running X as root)
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00:11<davidh>dondelelcaro: Did you ever install Mozilla by yourself?
00:11<dondelelcaro>I have, but I wouldn't recommend it
00:12<dondelelcaro>the Debian packages are really the way to go
00:12<davidh>I just installed 4.0 debian. The defaults browsers are Ephiphany and Iceweasel. But I like Mozilla better
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00:12<davidh>dondelelcaro: Why not mozilla
00:12<dondelelcaro>davidh: you mean seamonkey? or firefox?
00:12<dondelelcaro>(since mozilla is the project; there's no longer a browser by that name)
00:13<davidh>dondelelcaro: Yes, the webpage is now firefox
00:13<dondelelcaro>davidh: the only difference between firefox and iceweasel is the name and the logos
00:13<davidh>but anyway, do you know how to install firefox?
00:13<dondelelcaro>davidh: we can't use the name and/or logos anymore, so we don't.
00:13<weasel>davidh: iceweasel.
00:13<dondelelcaro>the actual bits that matter are exactly the same
00:14<davidh>dondelelcaro: Not really. I think that Mozilla is better, at least in displaying Chinese characters
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00:14<dondelelcaro>davidh: that's a matter of installing the correct font
00:14<davidh>I used to use debian Sar
00:14<dondelelcaro>davidh: since they're exactly identical, it can be better or worse.
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00:15<davidh>dondelelcaro: I think that I'll give a try
00:15<weasel>davidh: iceweasel is simply the package name of firefox in debian.
00:15<weasel>davidh: and iceape(iirc) is the package name of seamonkey(?).
00:15<dondelelcaro>yeah, that's right.
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00:16<dondelelcaro>zh.wikipedia.org for example displays perfectly well here in iceweasel.
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00:17<jm_>same here (I suppose ;)
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01:06<lava>hey
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01:14<seanp2k>so what exactly does the full DVD set of installers contain, like every package I'd ever want (3 DVDs, DAMN)
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01:15<seanp2k>i'm getting it off of bittorrent because that jigsaw thing was only going like 50kbps and torrent is going 50-100kbps
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01:17<Supaplex>!ops eb69 on freenode #debian is flooding
01:17<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: eb69 on freenode #debian is flooding
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01:18<streuner>Supaplex: not useful
01:18<lava>Can someone help me with linuxant?
01:18<Supaplex>>.>
01:19<seanp2k>hey lava
01:19<lava>hey
01:19<seanp2k>i'd help you if i knew what it was \=
01:19<lava>sorry, I'm still messing with this lappy
01:19<lava>Its similar to ndiswrapper
01:20<seanp2k>i'm still messing with this lappy too
01:20<lava>Im trying to get wifi to work on a compaq r3140us
01:20<lava>and its broadcom wifi...
01:20<seanp2k>downloading full DVD set of debian isos
01:20<seanp2k>do you have the chipset #?
01:21<lava>I'm running windows right now, would that be in device manager?
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01:22<seanp2k>hmm maybe
01:22<fgeek>s1.accthost1 195.165.27.40
01:22<fgeek>conf.eth_ip 159.7.135.16
01:22<fgeek>conf.eth_mask 255.255.255.0
01:22<seanp2k>i think i may have found it through google
01:22<fgeek>hups. my bad
01:22<seanp2k>i hate how IRC handles multiline pastes
01:23<fgeek>just changed that to two lines and it needs verifying
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01:24<seanp2k>lava: does this look familiar? Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
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01:25<laval0rd>sorry, wifi went down for a sex
01:25<laval0rd>sec*
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01:25<fgeek>hah bad typo :)
01:26<laval0rd>They put the x there on purpose!
01:26<laval0rd>>=F
01:26<laval0rd>So any advice on the wifi?
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01:26<seanp2k>yeah that damn automagic AP paring gets the permiscious mode wireshark into trouble sometimes
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01:27<laval0rd>..huh?
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01:27<seanp2k>8p i feel so dorky that i just made a sex reference with wifi speak and tcpip tools
01:28<seanp2k>anywho, i guess broadcom doesn't support linux and ndiswrapper doesn't work under 64bit
01:28<laval0rd>I'm running i486
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01:29<laval0rd>Am I still here?
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01:30<lava>Srry, this connection blows
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01:31<seanp2k>lava: this is a guide for how to do it in SuSE with a dell laptop and drivers but here ya go http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=514676
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01:34<phoenix>hello , which wiki i must follow for installing debian etch on a usb flash drive ?
01:35<lava>google pen drive linux
01:35<jm_>phoenix: d-i supports that, then there's Debian live project
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01:37<seanp2k>lava: i found a guy who got 64bit AMD working with the broadcom bcm94306 (the one i think you have) ...here: http://www1.pacific.edu/~khughes/presario-r3120us/
01:38<lava>I Ialready have 486 installed
01:38<lava>I dont see a need for 64bit, is there some great benefit?
01:39<phoenix>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Custom_Install < < this wiki for debian live will do , right ?
01:39<jm_>yes
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01:40<seanp2k>lava: sorry, i thought you were on a 64bit system
01:40<phoenix>thank you
01:41<seanp2k>the guy in the last link i sent just used ndiswrapper and a driver from the Dell site
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01:44<lava>hey I'll brb switching to debian
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01:46<lava>hey
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01:51<lava>If I cant find the drive specific to my model do you think that I can use the one in the forum
01:52<lava>[Well I can find it but its in an .exe and I have no way of extracting it in win and then getting it on debian]
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01:56<seanp2k>hmm extract it in win
01:56<seanp2k>then move the INF to a jumpdrive / cd / network?
01:57<seanp2k>but yes the one from dell's site works with your model
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01:57<lava>oh I'll just use that then
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01:58<lava>you know what, on second though I rather do it the right way for sure
01:58<lava>I'll be back, I'll burn it to cd
01:58<lava>=)
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02:05<tupa>Xfce appears to be a very complete desktop environment, why is it so light compared to GNOME and KDE? what things does it lack?
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02:08<lava>alrighty
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02:08<tupa>lava: ??
02:08<lava>Hey
02:09<XTF>Hi. How do you add an extra address to an interface? In /etc/network/interfaces I've copied the eth0 section to eth0:0, but the address isn't there after a reboot.
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02:11<gsimmons_>XTF: Did you amend the 'auto' line as well, to bring up the interface at boot? There are examples you can reference within /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz.
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02:14<XTF>gsimmons_: No, but I don't have auto for eth0 either.
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02:22<suiside>tupa: XFCE is a window manager, not a full fledged desktop environment, distros with XFCE out-of-the-box (like xubuntu for example) use alot of of gnome apps to go with xfce
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02:25<gsimmons_>XTF: You would want to change "eth0:0" to read "eth0:1", as (IIRC) both eth0 and eth0:0 refer to the same interface. You'll need to include a new "auto eth0:1" line accordingly.
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02:34<XTF>gsimmons_: But shouldn't eth0:1 use the same mechanism as eth0 itself (which doesn't use auto)?
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02:40<noctis>what command replaces tzconfig on lenny?
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02:41<rikkit>nnel #debian
02:41<rikkit>*T* Topic for #debian: etch is the new stable: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch | Lenny is the new testing: /msg dpkg lenny |
02:41<rikkit> THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg flood | /msg
02:41<rikkit> bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde_trouble
02:41<rikkit>*T* Topic for #debian set by Ganneff!~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net on Tue May 22 01:56:59 2007
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02:43<azeem>noctis: tzsetup I think
02:44<tupa><suiside> xfce is a desktop environment that uses the xfwm window manager -_-
02:44<version2>wait.
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02:45<version2>nvm
02:45<yujie>study perl use tool?
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02:46<noctis>azeem: hmm, tzsetup-udeb should only be used for building debian-installer it seems
02:47<azeem>noctis: did I say tzsetup-udeb?
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02:47<azeem>noctis: ah, tzselect, maybe
02:47<noctis>azeem: I had to extend the search because 'apt-cache search tzsetup' returned nothing
02:50<noctis>azeem: tzselect does it, thanks!
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02:53<yujie>who study perl
02:54<azeem>yujie: do you have a Debian question?
02:54<azeem>this is the wrong channel for perl questions
02:54<yujie>no
02:54<yujie>i want find small linux
02:55<yujie>debian ?
02:55<azeem>debian isn't that small in its default install
02:56<azeem>how much diskspace do you have?
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03:03<yujie>1G diskspace
03:03<yujie>azeem:hiweed
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03:07<version2>Is apache run by the apache (or whatever) user by default?
03:07<tralala>yujie, are you going to use it for server or workstation?
03:07<azeem>yujie: should be enough
03:07<formorer>yes (www-data)
03:08<version2>ty
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03:09<version2>and it restricts only to the /var/www/ directory?
03:09<version2>or something to that extent?
03:09<yujie>workstation
03:09<yujie>i want use cmd
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03:10<tralala>yujie, you'll have to install individual packages. A default Gnome and/or KDE install will take more than a gig.
03:11<yujie>only 1G diskspace
03:11<yujie>downloade install not enough
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03:14<yujie>tralala:where is downloade debian
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03:15<yujie>i want use gcc and gdb
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03:16<tralala>yujie, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent
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03:17<yujie>tralala ,thanks
03:17<tralala>yujie, you're welcome
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03:18<version2>yujie, just to give you an idea, I just did a debian install with only standard packages (no gui, etc)
03:19<version2>with some server stuff (maybe adds 100mb), totals to 882MB.
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03:31<sweetie_17>hi
03:32<sweetie_17>hello
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04:05<Knorrie>ho
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04:07<fredo>hola
04:07<fredo>quien usa amsn
04:07<fredo>?
04:08<Knorrie>!es
04:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
04:08<Knorrie>:)
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04:14<enry>I'm italian..aI'm italian..any Zaurus SL-C3200 user here?ny Zaurus SL-C3200 user here?
04:14<enry>I'm italian..aI'm italian..any Zaurus SL-C3200 user here?
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04:20<niru>hi
04:20<niru>I have deleted almost all the folders except the base filesystem
04:20<niru>but still the browser shows 0 space avaialble
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04:22<lupine>niru: is all your "deleted" stuff actually being moved into the recycle bin? (~/.Trash normally, IIRC)
04:23<niru>lupine, yes
04:23<niru>there is nothing in trash even
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04:25<formorer>niru: you can check with lsof for deleted file that are still opened by other processes
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04:32<Tycal1>Hi !
04:32<jasperhax0r>ok i need help, i want to compile software on debian but i dont have all the needed packages, can someone help me install all the packages i need for general compiling
04:32<Tycal1>gcc ? (i'm a noob)
04:32<niru>formorer, lsof shows a whole list
04:32<jasperhax0r>i got that but thats not enough
04:33<niru>formorer, I am unable to see the free space
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04:33<formorer>niru: of deleted files? then restart the process that has the files opened
04:33<jasperhax0r>i try and compile and it wants another package like glib 2.4 headers, then it wants something else and something else and it never ends
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04:33<Tycal1>I need help too, I want sound on my computer :p
04:34<jasperhax0r>if debian had a command to install every package ever made all at once i would
04:34<streuner>!ask
04:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
04:34<niru>formorer, example:
04:34<niru>init 1 root cwd DIR 8,9 4096 2 /
04:34<streuner>Tycal1: what does "cat /proc/version" say?
04:34<formorer>niru: you should check for files marked as deleted
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04:35<formorer>niru: (grep for deleted)
04:35<Knorrie>jasperhax0r: see the build-essential package
04:35<jasperhax0r>i have it
04:35<niru>formorer, then what to restart
04:35<Knorrie>then you can comipile stuff
04:35<jasperhax0r>nope i get errors
04:35<jasperhax0r>missing glibc 2.4 headers
04:36<formorer>niru: the process that belong to the deleted files
04:36<Tycal1>Tycalinux:/home/tycale# cat /proc/version
04:36<jasperhax0r>and wmcalendar justs gives alot of errors when compiling
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04:37<Knorrie>are you on etch or unstable?
04:37<prahal>do you know about dvdauthor or a channel related to it ? I wonder if I can make titles from chapters or if the only way is to split the film
04:37<jasperhax0r>etch
04:37<jasperhax0r>this is the error wmCalendar.c:484: error: ‘told’ has an incomplete type
04:37<Tycal1>I try alsaconf
04:37<niru>formorer, any other way
04:37<streuner>Tycal1: apt-get install alsa-utils; and run "alsaconf"; turn off ARTS or ESD; unmute sound via aumix
04:38<Tycal1>(09:37:40) Tycal1: I try alsaconf
04:38<formorer>niru: as I don't know where your space is - no
04:38<streuner>Tycal1: GNOME or KDE?
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04:38<formorer>niru: rebooting would also help
04:38<cahoot>alsa-utils reset 0
04:38<Tycal1>kde
04:38<formorer>(if my idea is your problem)
04:38<niru>formorer, rebooted many times
04:38<Knorrie>etch has libc 2.3.x
04:38<formorer>niru: then forget lsof, your problem is somewhere else
04:38<streuner>Tycal1: so ARTS is disabled?
04:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 292] by debhelper
04:39<Tycal1>I don't know, i'm a noob , How can i know that ?
04:39<formorer>niru: you can use a programm like ncdu or kdirstat to hunt for your space
04:39<niru>formorer, I used to compile all my packages there
04:39<streuner>Tycal1: go into kcontrol (KDE-control-center) and search for sound, just turn off sounddaemon
04:39<Tycal1>ok
04:40<jasperhax0r>well i dont care about pidgin no more since it was the one to require glibc 2.4 but i would like to be able to compile the window maker dock apps, but all are givin the same errors saying incomplete type or undeclated and stuff like that
04:40<niru>formorer, oh
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04:41<thedonvaughn>jasperhax0r: have you checked the repos? there are a lot of window maker dock apps in the repos.
04:41<thedonvaughn>jasperhax0r: aptitude search <name>
04:41<jasperhax0r>ill check but i havent come across most of the ones i want before
04:41<streuner>Tycal1: also run "adduser <user> audio" ; logout and back in
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04:42<thedonvaughn>jasperhax0r: might not be libc issue.. could be that you need to use gcc3 since alot of those dock apps are old (BUT i could be wrong on that)
04:43<streuner>Tycal1: when you finish with those, just run alsaconf, if it find your soundcard you should be able to listen sound. Dont forget to unmute sound (by default in ALSA sound is muted...) - apt-get install aumix; aumix
04:43<cahoot>alsa-utils reset 0
04:43<streuner>cahoot: /msg dpkg repeat :-P
04:44<Tycal1>okay, okay. But what do you say with my kde sound deamon ?
04:44<cahoot>not again
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04:44<streuner>Tycal1: use the PgUp button to scroll in your irc-client
04:45<streuner>Tycal1: alternative, /lastlog streuner
04:45<Tycal1>turn off sounddaemon, but I don't find where is it.
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04:45<streuner>sound or such
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04:45<Tycal1>Okay, i find :)
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04:48<jasperhax0r>thnx ill at least have most of the ones i want and ill try gcc3 later and see if it helps
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04:50<Cav>hi, can anyone help me with getting a raid drive running on debian? I have all the drivers etc for the hardware but am having trouble due to the size of the raid being > 2Tb
04:50<niru>suppose I have compiled many packages
04:50<niru>in one machine
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04:50<niru>and at some point of time it shows no space left one the device
04:51<Tycale>Outch, I have only alsamixer and not alsaconf =/
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04:51<niru>how can I get free space out of that
04:51<niru>I have deleted everything from desktop,trash,/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
04:51<niru>no useless things are now avaialble
04:52<niru>But since I have compiled many packages I have used the apt-get build-dep command to solve the dependencies
04:52<niru>now how to get splace out of that
04:52<Tycale>I've got alsaconf but only when i'm in # user...
04:53<cahoot>Tycale, you really should run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 as root
04:53<Tycale>Yeah, I've got sound nom, i think
04:54<Tycale>System sound only, I think because music doesn't work...
04:54<jm_>Cav: you can't use classic partition table on those
04:55<Cav>jm_: how do you mean?
04:55<cahoot>Tycale, what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return?
04:56<Tycale>Nothing
04:56<jm_>Cav: they don't go beyond 2TB
04:57<cahoot>Tycale, try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - noise or error?
04:57<Tycale>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
04:57<Tycale>And I've got a Schrrrrrrrr
04:58<cahoot>so sound works
04:58<cahoot>basically
04:58<Cav>jm_: yes, i know, hence looking for help ;-) i've been told to use LVM to partition it which will work over 2Tb, and apparently i need efi support to be able to read the big partition...
04:58<Tycale>But my music in noatun doesn't work :s
04:58<cahoot>Tycale, adjust your apps to use alsa
04:58<jm_>Cav: yes, LVM should work, as would parted with GPT labels
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04:59<Tycale>cahoot: How I can do that ? (sorry, i'm from mandriva)
04:59<Cav>jm_: Cool, how do i get EFI support on the Kernel? its not already in the build is it?
04:59<jm_>Cav: EFI GPT is only useful under Itanium AFAIK - CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION
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05:01<Cav>jm_: ah ok, so i dont need anything else to be able to read a >2Tb partition?
05:01<Cav>jm_: just partition it with LVM?
05:01<jm_>Cav: yes, just use LVM and you should be fine
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05:02<jazzanova>hi
05:02<jazzanova> is breezy supported ? is it out ofdate ?
05:03<avu>breezy is not even debian, you want to ask #ubuntu
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05:03<jazzanova>ah, surory
05:03<jm_>not here it isn't
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05:03<Cav>jm_: ok, i will try that, although the debian installer keeps freezing towards the end because of the raid drive, gotta get that sorted again before!
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05:06<Tycale>my SOUND works now ! Thanks you a lot !
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05:06<Tycale>Dabian + Kde + Compiz + Sound 8D
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05:13<niru>what is the command for logout
05:13<niru>I want to give in terminal
05:13<jm_>exit
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05:14[~]blaheva is away: I'm busy........
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05:15<streuner>!tell blaheva about away
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05:16<niru>jm_, I want to logout from the system
05:16<niru>not from the terminal
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05:18<jm_>niru: yes, use exit - it will quit your shell and lo you out
05:20<niru>jm_, it is just exiting me from the terminal
05:20<jm_>niru: are you in X?
05:20<niru>jm_, yes
05:21<jm_>niru: which system are you using?
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05:27<aname>hi, can someone assist with a synaptic issue
05:28<shingouz>!tell aname about ask
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05:29<aname>shingouz - huh?
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05:30<shingouz>aname: read what dpkg told you
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05:30<aname>i closed it already cane you "resend"
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05:31<shingouz>!tell aname about ask
05:31<aname>thanks
05:31<shingouz>np
05:33<aname>I have a problem installing Open Office via Synaptic. It says some dependencies (required) will not be installed. Previously open office was occasionally causing the system to hang, so I uninstalled via Synaptic and reverted to what I thought was the "base" repositories
05:34<aname>Any suggestions?
05:34<dondelelcaro>aname: base repositories?
05:34<dondelelcaro>aname: what does apt-cache policy openoffice.org; say?
05:35<aname>I just have tghe 3.1 repositories plus security (main contrib free, whatever that means)
05:35<niru>jm_, debian
05:36<aname>dondelelcaro: i don't know how to find what you are asking re policy
05:36<shingouz>aname: sarge? stable? etch?
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05:36<shingouz>aname: in a terminal, type apt-cache policy openoffice.org
05:36<jm_>niru: no, GNOME, KDE, ...
05:36<niru>jm_, gnome
05:37<aname>officieally supported, contributed and non free software (I believe just for sarge)
05:37<Quick>Hey, I went to bed and left Debain downloading overnight (Netinstal), when I woke up I realized that it rebooted somehow (Virtual PC), the physical PC did not reboot but the Virtual one did, anyone know why? When I booted it up it restarted the whole installer again!
05:37<jm_>niru: not sure if GNOME has something similar, there's kshutdown for KDE
05:38<aname>shingouz: terminal says none installed and 1.1.3-9sarge 7 "candidate"
05:38<Quick>Does anyone know why it rebooted or if there is anyway to resume the download?
05:39<aname>shingouz: some version table information follows
05:39<aname>shingouz:
05:39<aname> Version table:
05:39<aname> 1.1.3-9sarge7 0
05:39<aname> 500 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages
05:39<aname> 1.1.3-9sarge6 0
05:39<aname> 500 http://http.us.debian.org sarge/main Packages
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05:39<Quick>Can anyone help? How do I resume a netinst download or does anyone know why my virtual PC rebooted for no reason?
05:39<aname>woops
05:39<dondelelcaro>aname: don't paste here; what does apt-get install openoffice.org; say?
05:39<Quick>Anyone?
05:40<dondelelcaro>Quick: a download of what?
05:40<aname> Version table:
05:40<aname> 1.1.3-9sarge7 0
05:40<aname> 500 http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/main Packages
05:40<aname> 1.1.3-9sarge6 0
05:40<aname> 500 http://http.us.debian.org sarge/main Packages
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05:40<Quick>Netinstall!
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05:40<aname>sorry
05:40<dondelelcaro>aname: do not paste here.
05:40<aname>ummm it says...
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05:40<dondelelcaro>aname: use a paste site, like paste.debian.net
05:40<Quick>> Hey, I went to bed and left Debain downloading overnight (Netinstal), when I woke up I realized that it rebooted somehow (Virtual PC), the physical PC did not reboot but the Virtual one did, anyone know why? When I booted it up it restarted the whole installer again! Does anyone know why it rebooted or if there is anyway to resume the download?
05:41<aname>please explain use of paste site?
05:41<dondelelcaro>aname: to paste the output of that we ask you to run instead of pasting them to the channel
05:41<Quick>Anyone?
05:42<gsimmons_>!tell aname -about pastebin howto
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05:42<dondelelcaro>ugh. I hate drive by questions
05:43<aname>http://rafb.net/p/Zlb5n853.html
05:44<aname>thanks gsimmons
05:44<aname>dondelelcaro: please see http://rafb.net/p/Zlb5n853.html
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05:46<dondelelcaro>aname: right, what does apt-get install openoffice.org; say?
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05:50<aname>http://rafb.net/p/M2BAiR80.html
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05:51<aname>dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/M2BAiR80.html
05:52<lordandinox>hi
05:52<dondelelcaro>aname: what does apt-get install openoffice.org openoffice.org-debian-files openoffice.org-bin; say?
05:54<aname>dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/rDqukH26.html
05:55<dondelelcaro>aname: what does apt-get install openoffice.org openoffice.org-debian-files openoffice.org-bin libmyspell3; say?
05:55<dondelelcaro>(you can keep adding packages until you get to a set which tells you why a specific set of packages cannot be installed)
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05:56<aname>dondelelcaro: that offers to install for me
05:56<dondelelcaro>well, there you go then.
05:56<aname>dondelelcaro: so why did synaptic get its knickers in a knot?
05:56<dondelelcaro>same reason why apt did
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05:57<aname>dondelelcaro: doesnt the dependency thing get handled automatically?
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05:57<DTE>hi all
05:57<dondelelcaro>aname: yes, but sometimes there are corner cases which aren't handled correctly. I'd have to walk through the problem resolution to actually see what happened.
05:57<DTE>in a ocfs2 cluster to format a block device with ocfs2 fs all the nodes must be online?
05:57<dondelelcaro>aname: but frankly, since you're not running an up to date version of Debian, it's not really worth doing that.
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05:58<aname>dondelelcaro: What do you mean "not up to date"?
05:58<dondelelcaro>aname: you're running sarge. We've already released etch.
05:59<aname>dondelelcaro: My mistake! Actually i have etch installed I thought. Is that because I've erroneously disabled the etch repository?
05:59<dondelelcaro>aname: well, it's not what apt-cache policy says.
06:01<aname>dondelelcaro: shit -- so I've definitely got sarge installed lol?
06:01<fxiny>must be . openoffice.org-debian-files is not on etch
06:01<aname>what is the "command" to upgrade
06:01<aname>or would i be better reinstalling etch
06:02<Nemoder>!sarge->etch
06:02<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security>
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06:03<aname>thanks guys -- think i will start afresh...
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06:40<gsimmons_>DTE: I don't believe so. According to the OCFS2 User's Guide, the format (of that volume) is only required to be performed on one node in the cluster. I'd infer from that just one node is necessary to be online.
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06:53<nvu>Привет
06:53<jm_>!ru
06:53<dpkg>ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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06:59<prahal>hi do someone know an irc channel for dvdauthor ? I want to create titles while keeping the ability to rewind
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07:05<twb>rsnapshot doesn't seem to be doing it's thing. I set up /etc/rsnapshot.conf and /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot, and if I invoke it by hand it works. Any ideas why it isn't being run daily by the @daily entry?
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07:14<gsimmons_>twb: Any statement in your syslog from cron, regarding rsnapshot invocation? eg. "CMD (/usr/bin/rsnapshot daily)" etc.
07:14<jm_>and pay attention to honour /etc/cron.d format
07:15<jm_>is that "newline required" annoyance still present in cron?
07:15<Gulars>I've somehow found a shortcut to remove the menu in windows it seems.... but I have no ide what it would be, and even less of a idea as to how to get it back... suggestions?
07:15<twb>I had "@daily root /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily"
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07:16<DTE>hi all
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07:16<DTE>who was telling me something about ocfs2?
07:16<DTE>i lost the conn
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07:17<twb>Jul 17 22:02:01 ares cron[2916]: Error: bad time specifier; while reading /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot
07:17<gsimmons_>DTE: (repeated) I don't believe so. According to the OCFS2 User's Guide, the format (of that volume) is only required to be performed on one node in the cluster. I'd infer from that just one node is necessary to be online.
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07:20<panic0001>hi all
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07:21<Gulars>anyone know the shotcut to bring back the file menu?
07:21<panic0001>there are in liniux (Debian) an ide xml similar XMLSpy but free
07:21<panic0001>ther's in liniux (Debian) an ide xml similar XMLSpy but free
07:21<cahoot>Gulars, did you really mean 'windows' +
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07:22<cahoot>if you did - you're in the wrong place
07:23<Vakio>Gulars: ctrl-m?
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07:24<Gulars>cahoot, Yakio: nah, neither of them worked
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07:25<Gulars>in pidgin, the file-menu on top it just missing - where you've got Buddys, tools help etc
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07:25<DTE>gsimmons_: ah ok...why then when i try to make the ocfs2 fs on the drbd node the process die
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07:29<fxiny>user_: keep off my msg window
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07:30<DTE>sorry...today my conn is not so good
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07:32<fxiny>user_: as you wish
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07:32<DTE>so nobody was able to make a ocfs2 + drbd storage?
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07:35<twb>Perhaps cron is confused by the existence of /etc/cron.d/RCS/ ?
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07:36<zoople>hi
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07:36<zoople>hi
07:36<zoople>i have got a problem
07:36<zoople>how i can reset gnome?`
07:37<twb>zoople: rm -rf ~/.g*
07:37<ifvoid>twb: please don't say things like that
07:37<Gulars>hmmm.... ctrl+m is supposed to turn on the menubar in applications - what to do if that doesn't work?
07:37<twb>ifvoid: well, that's how I reset gnome
07:37<ifvoid>twb: well, then you're also deleting all your gpg keys everytime
07:38<ifvoid>for example
07:38<twb>Oops.
07:38<ifvoid>and it wont even help as long as gconfd is kept running
07:38<zoople>lol <.<
07:38<fxiny>twb: it will trash ~/.gnupg
07:38<twb>All my dotfiles I care about are symlinks to a darcs repo
07:38<zoople>how i can reset gnome? ;p
07:38<twb>So .gpg would be recreated automagically when I log in
07:38<ifvoid>zoople: so, log out of gnome, kill gconfd-2, and remove ~/.gnome ~/.gnome2 ~/.gtk* and ~/.cconf*
07:38<twb>zoople: clarify what you mean by "reset"
07:39<ifvoid>sorry, ~/.gconf*
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07:39<ifvoid>that will remove ALL settings though
07:39<gsimmons_>twb: You could work around the issue with "0 0 * * *" instead, but I'm surprised the @daily special string wasn't honored.
07:39<zoople>okay i want to reset gnome. that all standard things are back
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07:39<zoople>the taskbar at the top for example
07:39<twb>gsimmons_: I just tried "34 * * * * root nice /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly" and it didn't run that either
07:40<twb>gsimmons_: can I tell cron to emit debugging information?
07:40<ifvoid>twb: cron puts stuff in the syslog
07:40<twb>That's where I'm looking
07:40<zoople>so how i can reset gnome :> that the bar on the top is back
07:40<ifvoid>zoople: read what I just said
07:40<zoople>kill gconfd-2, and remove ~/.gnome ~/.gnome2 ~/.gtk* and ~/.gconf*
07:40<zoople>this work?
07:40<fxiny>twb: you should get mail errors from cron
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07:41<fxiny>unless you are > /dev/null 2>&1
07:41<ifvoid>fxiny: even if there are errors, there should be a line in /var/log/syslog
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07:41<fxiny>ifvoid: that's right
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07:41<ifvoid>zoople: yes, it should
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07:42<zoople>ifvoid: and how i can make my bar at the top back? because mabye i dont need to destroy my gnome :D just because one bar ;p
07:42<fxiny>i'd check every few minutes like */3 * * * *
07:42<ifvoid>zoople: just drag it there
07:42<ifvoid>or leftclick->properties
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07:43<zoople>but i delete the bar
07:43<twb>OK, the problem is it doesn't like @anually
07:43<twb>Argh, it's anNually
07:43<zoople>i wil ltry it <.< cu
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07:43[~]twb feels dumb
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07:44[~]klys thinks this is a good time to ask about getting a fullscreen nautilus desktop
07:44<twb>It does that by default unless you use --no-desktop
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07:44<twb>But your WM has to understand NETWM hints like "please put me on the background"
07:44<klys>so the background and mouse pointer are the only things visible, I mean
07:44<twb>Why run nautilus at all, then?
07:45<klys>I dunno, for the menu I guess
07:45<klys>and because of the file manager
07:45<klys>I was thinking maybe the menu can auto-hide
07:45<twb>I'd just do "display -root desktop.png" and run nautilus with --no-desktop
07:45<twb>I know you can disable the icons in xfce, I don't remember for GNOME.
07:45<gsimmons_>twb: Looks like you can up cron's loglevel (-L) to 2, but this would only log the end of cronjobs.
07:46<twb>gsimmons_: thanks.
07:46<twb>Incidentally, what kind of bloody idiot REQUIRES literal tabs in a flat file? >:-/
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07:46<klys>twb: me (no animals were harmed, etc.)
07:47<twb>It messes up stuff like diff(1)
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07:47<klys>then that's diff's problem
07:47<twb>Ugh
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07:48<twb>You want to make historical programs an order of magnitude more complex in order to handle literal tabs?
07:48<twb>What's wrong with spaces FFS?
07:48<cahoot>F F s ?
07:48<klys>y'know, the best way to solve this is by adding an option to diff that is the default
07:48<twb>Not just diff.
07:49<twb>Every other tool that prints out the lines with a string before or after it.
07:49<twb>e.g. bzr, rcsdiff, darcs, ...
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07:49<klys>wannabe programs I say
07:49<twb>All the sed scripts that do replacement would need to be rewritten
07:49<twb>So as to repad whenever the replacement changed the tab boundary
07:50<jenda>Hi, I have a problem with a debian etch server. server every about 2 hours going freeze. on server is running samba, postgresql, mysql, apache-ssl, php5. I administrate 3 servers with the same conf, but these running well
07:50<klys>why not just do an intermediary conversion when cracking through a file like so you say
07:50<ifvoid>jenda: have you run memcheck?
07:50<ifvoid>jenda: is the powe supply ok?
07:51<twb>Why not just avoid the use of literal tabs?
07:51<ifvoid>jenda: is there anything useful in kern.org?
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07:51<klys>why discount the value of the HT ? it's ascii!
07:51<twb>So is the backspace character, but you don't put that in a plain text file.
07:51<twb>
07:51<klys>can so, you can even bold stuff with it
07:51<ifvoid>twb: sure you do
07:52<DTE>is there a special way to make an initrd for a lvm based system?
07:52<twb>DTE: it should happen automatically when you install lvm2.
07:52<twb>At least on Etch and newer.
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07:53<tycale>Tycalinux:/home/tycale/UT# ut2004
07:53<tycale>./ut2004-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
07:53<tycale>:'(
07:53<jm_>!tell tycale -about search
07:53<jm_>!tell tycale -about install it
07:53<jm_>!tell tycale -about installit
07:54<jenda>Hi people does anybody have problem with auto self reboot under Etch?
07:54<jenda>or auto freeze :-)
07:55<cahoot>you?
07:55<ifvoid>jenda: are you just ignoring me, or what?
07:55<jenda>Yes I have this problem
07:55<ifvoid>yes you said that 3 times already
07:55<jenda>thanks
07:55<ifvoid>why don't you answer my questions to start with?
07:55<jenda>too much scratch here sorry
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07:59<ifvoid>jenda: don't mesg people!
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08:01<jenda>fd
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08:01<jenda>if user == ifvoid: pass; elif print ("Hi, I have a problem with a debian etch server. server every about 2 hours going freeze. on server is running samba, postgresql, mysql, apache-ssl, php5. I administrate 3 servers with the same conf, but these running well")
08:02<Nyle>hi
08:02<ifvoid>jenda: wth is your problem?
08:02<ifvoid>jenda: please respect proper etiquette when asking a question here
08:02<jenda>just don't mesg you
08:02<ifvoid>jenda: and don't repeat your question all the time
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08:03<ifvoid>jenda: I've already answered your original question
08:03<Colin>jenda: you were asked 3 questions about your problem - so far you have not answered any of them
08:03<klys>jenda: try for a while without cron or the other timed response (atd?) running
08:03<jenda>Ok but can you please tell me what can cause it?
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08:03<jenda>I'm running cron
08:03<klys>you still have to find that out
08:03<ifvoid>jenda: ANSWER the questions I asked you
08:03<Colin>jenda, No we can't unless you answer the questions we have asked
08:03<ifvoid>jenda: I don't have my crystal ball here
08:04<ifvoid>jenda: so there is no way anybody could answer your questions unless you give specifics
08:04<Nemoder>tycale: you need to run the game from a special script to use the included libs instead of system libs
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08:05<ifvoid>jenda: ok, I'm ignoring you now
08:05<ifvoid>jenda: DON'T SEND PRIVATE MESSAGES TO EPOPEL
08:05<alex_>lol jenda
08:06<tycale>ok
08:06<jenda>okay
08:06<jenda>soory
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08:06<HuK0B>how I can fix this problem?
08:06<HuK0B>http://pastebin.ca/623218
08:06<klys>well you can, you just have to ask permission to in public. it's proper
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08:06<Nemoder>tycale: er maybe you are running the script, but make sure the file in your path is a symlink to the ut2004 script and not a copy of it
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08:07<jenda>wait a minute I will call a friend to reboot server
08:07<jenda>than run memcheck
08:07<mehdi>#samba
08:07<Colin>ifvoid: btw, part of the problem is that English is pretty obviously *not* is first language, your attempts at sarcasm have probably confused him
08:08<jenda>no problem problem was more with this kopete irc client
08:08<twb>s/not is/is not/
08:08<ifvoid>Colin: I told him about 5 times in a query that he shouldn't use private messages
08:08<ifvoid>clbut he jus tkept going
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08:09<Colin>ifvoid: <nods> he's obviously new to irc
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08:10<Colin>Has anyone seen anibal recently, he's my AM and seems to have vanished
08:11<DTE>twb: i'm having some troubles with a vanilla kernel and lvm
08:11<DTE>twb: the same configuration on another server runs smootly
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08:12<twb>DTE: do tell.
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08:13<DTE>i've have updated the kernel with the 2.6.22.1 vanilla
08:13<DTE>compiled debian way
08:13<DTE>installed and rebooted...but then comes the initrd shell
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08:14<DTE>tells me that no device exists...infact in /dev/mapper no dev is present
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08:14<DTE>but the exactly the same config on another server works without problem
08:14<ifvoid>DTE: can you run lvscan -a in the initrd?
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08:15<twb>DTE: is udev working in the initramfs?
08:15<Cyorxamp>Lo, I've got my debian partition plus others on a 40gb IDE, I'm gonna replace this HDD with two 80gb disks in a RAID - I'm thinking of using PartMagic or GParted to copy and resize the partitions ... anything I should know ? will this work ?
08:15<twb>Cyorxamp: does it have to work with MS DOS?
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08:15<DTE>ifvoid: twb wai a second that i reboot with the new kernel
08:15<Cyorxamp>twb... freedos is hda2 - but thats it
08:16<jm_>Cyorxamp: don't, create it from scratch and copy things over
08:16<twb>MS DOS allegedly doesn't like some partition tables created by parted.
08:16<Cyorxamp>freedos is exempt from that I thinks
08:16<Cyorxamp>I read it somewhere
08:16<twb>Probably.
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08:16<Cyorxamp>jm_: copy the data?
08:16<Cyorxamp>not the partition
08:16<klys>twb: does parted not make each extended partition a member of the previous?
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08:17<jm_>Cyorxamp: yes
08:17<Cyorxamp>but why?
08:17<twb>klys: parted creates sane msdos disk labels, but does not try to align them to the logical CHS property reported by the disk.
08:17<jm_>well if you want to go resizing partition route be my guest
08:18<klys>twb: for dos 6.22 and before (fat16) obviousl;y you're limited to 504 MB
08:18<twb>Hard disks have lied about CHS data for many years because it's obsolete, so it only matters if you're using MS DOS
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08:18<klys>that's with 16 heads
08:18<Cyorxamp>Providing the order (and type) of the partitions are the same... Debian isn't going to throw a benny if the sizes of the partitions have changed or because its on a new HDD is it?
08:18<twb>Cyorxamp: I recommend using LVM where possible to save time NEXT time you switch disks
08:19<twb>Cyorxamp: that is very probably correct.
08:19<Cyorxamp>ok - I should be fine with Partition Magic then
08:19<twb>Don't forget to install your bootloader on the new disks.
08:19<Cyorxamp>that can resize ext3 ok
08:19<Cyorxamp>yeah I thought about that
08:19<klys>cyorxamp: to resize a ext2 partition, do ext2resize (there's a tool for it)
08:19<twb>You don't need partition magic for that.
08:19<twb>Right.
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08:20<Cyorxamp>I use XOSL on my freedos partition, so I'll just set it active and run the command to put XOSL back in the MBR
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08:20<Cyorxamp>twb - So are you saying GParted can resize ext3 just fine?
08:20<Cyorxamp>as well as FAT16 and SWAP ?
08:20<Cyorxamp>well not swap lol
08:21<twb>No, parted can resize ext2 partitions.
08:21<klys>swap never holds anything permanent unless you're hibernating
08:21<twb>There is a separate tool, ext2resize that can resize ext3 partitions.
08:21<Cyorxamp>klys: yeah lol
08:21<twb>I don't know if parted copes with the journal properly.
08:21<Cyorxamp>then I'll use Partition Magic
08:21<twb>(ext3 = ext2 + journal)
08:22<Cyorxamp>because I know it does the job properly
08:22<Cyorxamp>yeah I know that twb
08:22<ifvoid>twb: the partition might have to be fscked after resizeng, yeah
08:22<twb>I strongly encourage you not to support proprietary software.
08:22<Cyorxamp>Well I don't support it either - but it'll do the job
08:22<klys>you can't encourage well in passive voie
08:22<klys>ce
08:22<fxiny>i don't trust pmagic ,
08:22<ifvoid>Cyorxamp: does PM handle LVM and ext3 and such?
08:23<twb>swap partitions don't need to be resized, simply calling mkswap on them should suffice. Of course, that will blow away a suspend-to-disk image you have on there, but you can probably accept that.
08:23<fxiny>gparted is a world class tool
08:23<Cyorxamp>yup, well I've resized ext3 on PartMagic 8 with no issues before
08:23<twb>gparted is just a stupid GUI wrapper on parted.
08:23<Cyorxamp>twb: yeah, forget I mentioned Swap lol
08:23<twb>Use parted; be a man.
08:23<Cyorxamp>twb: no
08:23<Cyorxamp>lol
08:24<Cyorxamp>I'm the sorta guy who runs a server using SysCP, Webmin, NX, and anything else graphical :D
08:24<fxiny>but you should do as jm_ told you : just copy your data over
08:24<twb>Ew, ew, ew.
08:24<DTE>twb: udev seems to be running
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08:24<twb>DTE: did you do the lvscan thing somebody else said?
08:24<DTE>ifvoid: there is no lvscan in the initrd shell
08:24<ifvoid>DTE: well, that's the problem then ;)
08:25<klys>use tune2fs to delete the journal, and then add it back when done
08:25<twb>OK, so the problem presumably is that LVM tools aren't installed onto the ramdisk.
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08:25<Cyorxamp>fxiny: i've got GRUB installed on hda2 tho (the actual partition) will it all copy over okay ?
08:25<ifvoid>DTE: without lvscan the lvs can't be initialized
08:25<Cyorxamp>fxiny: also what command would I use?
08:25<DTE>ah ok...the just one doubt
08:25<DTE>why the other server is running?
08:25<twb>Cyorxamp: yes, assuming you're using dd to copy.
08:25<Cyorxamp>anything special to the CP command to get _all_ files?
08:25<ifvoid>Cyorxamp: cp -a
08:25<twb>Cyorxamp: however, be sure to put SOMETHING in the MBR.
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08:25<DTE>i made the kernel in the exactly same way
08:25<Cyorxamp>mbr isn't an issue - got that sussed
08:25<twb>Er, something that can chainload to hda2.
08:25<ifvoid>Cyorxamp: and be carefull not to copy stuff like /proc and /sys
08:26<Cyorxamp>see... too much work! fuck it
08:26<ifvoid>Cyorxamp: please watch your langueage
08:26<klys>I have a grub cdimage iso if anyone wants the url
08:26<Cyorxamp>nevermind I'll do as I originally planed
08:26<Cyorxamp>sorry :D
08:26<DTE>ifvoid: just lvscan i have to add to exe or something else?
08:26<twb>Best is to boot the system from a different root -- e.g. a livecd -- and then do the work knowing that the normal root partition is safely offline
08:26<ifvoid>DTE: depends
08:26<twb>DTE: for Debian kernels, you just install lvm2 and run update-initramfs -u -k all
08:27<twb>It puts magic in /etc/initramfs-tools, I assume.
08:27<ifvoid>DTE: I think just lvscan should work
08:27<ifvoid>DTE: it doesn't seem to need any libraries
08:27<ifvoid>ah
08:27<DTE>ok...i just try right now
08:27<ifvoid>listen to twb
08:27<twb>If you can avoid manually building the ramdisk, it will save you grief later.
08:27<fxiny>Cyorxamp: i use cp or mirrordir
08:27<ifvoid>(I only use default debian initrds)
08:27<twb>ifvoid: heh, I don't often get that :-)
08:27[~]Cyorxamp will use PQMAGIC
08:28<DTE>another little thing...and if i made all the kernel static?
08:28<fxiny>it sucks
08:28<DTE>there are some cons?
08:28<twb>"static"?
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08:28<DTE>twb: no module
08:28<DTE>or no important module
08:28<twb>No *support* for modules?
08:28<twb>Or just compiling stuff you need inline?
08:28<DTE>no...i mean all the module i need to boot
08:28<vC]Rajohan>whar does this mean configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $path ? im getting it when im trying to install glib
08:28<vC]Rajohan>what*
08:29<ifvoid>DTE: if your root is on lvm, you'll still need an initrd
08:29<fxiny>last time i heard of pm , 6 or 8 can't remember , pm loved to mess around
08:29<jm_>vC]Rajohan: it means you should be using glib packages instead
08:29<twb>I haven't done that, by I guess it should all just workTM, perhaps aside from errors when the ramdisk attempts to load modules that are already compiled in
08:29<Cyorxamp>fxiny: 8 is the last one powerquest did, and the one I have
08:29<DTE>ifvoid: ah...even if boot is on a separate partition?
08:29<Cyorxamp>also nortons version is on 8 -
08:29<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: why ar eyou trying to compile glib yourself?
08:29<Cyorxamp>probably haven't done anything with it
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08:29<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: use the standard debian package
08:29<twb>DTE: yes, because /boot only has the ramdisk
08:29<ifvoid>DTE: yes, I think so
08:29<DTE>twb: of course i'll do a kernel without initrd
08:30<twb>DTE: lvmfnord is on /usr/sbin or something
08:30<fxiny>Cyorxamp: see gparted site , excellent live cd as well
08:30<vC]Rajohan>hmm im tryed to install irssi and i was requesting after glib
08:30<vC]Rajohan>it*
08:30<Cyorxamp>yeah I use GParted fxiny - already got the latest livecd
08:30<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: apt-get install irssi
08:30<jm_>irssi is also packaged
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08:30<Cyorxamp>fxiny: but twb isn't sure that it can do ext3 properly
08:30<DTE>ok...now i'll try with the initrd...then if it works i'll try without
08:30<twb>vC]Rajohan: did you run "aptitude install irssi"?
08:30<DTE>thanks
08:30<twb>Cyorxamp: I haven't personally confirmed it. It probably can.
08:31<Cyorxamp>then I'll try GParted first
08:31<twb>Cyorxamp: you can always use ext2resize, which I have personally used.
08:31<Cyorxamp>GParted probably runs the same thing anyway
08:31<twb>Be sure to do things in the right order so you don't resize over good data
08:31<twb>And ALWAYS take a backup first
08:32<Cyorxamp>I always make my partitions left to right, or linux has a fit
08:32<vC]Rajohan>twb do i have to be logged in as root to do that command+
08:32<Cyorxamp>and no need for a backup - i'll have the original disk
08:32<Cyorxamp>which isn't being written to
08:32<Cyorxamp>only copied from
08:32<twb>Cyorxamp: parted has internal support for ext[23] without calling out to a separate program.
08:32<twb>vC]Rajohan: you need superuser privileges, yes.
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08:32<vC]Rajohan>ok
08:32<jenda>well memtest failed, server freeze again
08:32<twb>vC]Rajohan: try "sudo aptitude install irssi", if sudo is installed.
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08:33<vC]Rajohan>im not installed anything yet.. got debiantoday
08:33<jm_>aptitude can be run as user, it will ask for root's password
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08:34<twb>Good point.
08:34<klys>jm_ which group does it require membership of?
08:34<jm_>klys: uhm none
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08:34<twb>klys: I imagine it just does su or similar.
08:35<ifvoid>klys: you can configure it to require group memebership, if you like
08:36<klys>so, `sudo'
08:36<fxiny>ifvoid: yes ? like wheel ? i didn't know that , nice !
08:37<vC]Rajohan>twb im just getting could not find the packet
08:37<ifvoid>fxiny: yeah, suso is pretty configurable
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08:37<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: which command are you giving, exactly?
08:37<twb>Am I silly to treat "adm" as if it were wheel?
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08:38<vC]Rajohan>got it work now i think
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08:38<ifvoid>twb: no, not really
08:38<twb>Good, good.
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08:38<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: also, you might like synaptic instead of aptitude
08:38<twb>I notice that logcheck gets stuck in there, made me wonder.
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08:43<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: it's a graphical UI to the install packages
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08:43<vC]Rajohan>im using aptitude install irssi but its keep saying it cant find a package with that name
08:43<twb>Boo.
08:43<twb>GUI = wrong
08:43<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: which version of Debian are you using?
08:43<twb>vC]Rajohan: please pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
08:43<vC]Rajohan>ifvoid i using the latest downloaded it yesterday
08:43<ifvoid>!pastebin
08:43<dpkg>Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
08:43<fxiny>hmmm
08:43<fxiny>messing with irssi or screen or mutt or PERL is not a good idea ...
08:43<vC]Rajohan>http://pastebin.ca/623250
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08:44<vC]Rajohan>twb thats the contents
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08:45<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: ah, right
08:45<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: you need to add lines for the online archive
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08:46<vC]Rajohan>what is the lines i should add
08:46<twb>ifvoid: irssi isn't on the first DVD?
08:46<twb>How backward.
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08:46<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: change the file to this: http://pastebin.ca/623258
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08:46<ifvoid>twb: pretty werid yeah
08:47<fxiny>vC]Rajohan: can you check for me , please ,if damned bitchx is on the first dvd ? :P
08:47<twb>Not that I've ever actually used irssi
08:47<fxiny>:)
08:48<ifvoid>twb: I guess the first dvd was full afer they put OOo on ;)
08:48<fxiny>heheheh
08:48<vC]Rajohan>fxiny i could't find any irc clients
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08:48<twb>vC]Rajohan: please pastebin the output of the following command: aptitude search ~P~n^irc$
08:48<twb>vC]Rajohan: BEFORE editing sources.list
08:48<fxiny>vC]Rajohan: tx :)
08:48<twb>ifvoid: low blow
08:48<vC]Rajohan>ok
08:49<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: how are you connected atm then?
08:49<vC]Rajohan>windows computer :p
08:49<ifvoid>ah
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08:50<ifvoid>is the network working then on the debian machine?
08:50<vC]Rajohan>yeah
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08:50<ifvoid>the comments in sources.list suggest that it wasn't correctly detected
08:50<vC]Rajohan>http://pastebin.ca/623264
08:50<vC]Rajohan>thats waht aptitude search ~P~n^irc$ outouted
08:50<twb>fxiny: there you go
08:50<twb>bitchx, irssi and xchat are on the first DVD
08:51<fxiny>twb: very leet your apt search ;)
08:51<vC]Rajohan>ifvoid i hadent network under the instalasion
08:51<twb>fxiny: the ~n^$ is a hack to avoid irc-server matches
08:51<ifvoid>vC]Rajohan: ah, ok
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08:53<vC]Rajohan>no permsion to save file either have to login as root?
08:54<Colin>vC]Rajohan: yes
08:54<vC]Rajohan>hmm then i get system administrator cant login from this screen
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08:55<jon_>i cant seem to boot up linux, there's a problem: "double fault, gtd at cbb84000 [255 bytes]" and i dont know where it comes from. I cant find anything on google about it... except for debian known bugs... but they dont seem exactly the same as mine.
08:55<DTE>twb: update-initramfs -u -k all
08:55<DTE>didn't work
08:55<twb>DTE: it gave an error?
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08:57<DTE>no it updated all initrd
08:57<vC]Rajohan>how can i login as root? if i try in login screen i get systemadministrator cant login from this screen
08:57<DTE>but when i restarted the same error
08:57<DTE>no lvm tools
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08:58<cahoot>vC]Rajohan, login as user and su to root?
08:58<vC]Rajohan>ok
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08:58<fxiny>yeahhhh : do it Clark Kent style
08:59<jon_>is it posible its just taking a very long time to boot? or did my system freeze?
09:00<fxiny>no , something is wrong
09:01<twb>vC]Rajohan: don't log in as root.
09:01<jon_>the lines before this message were: "CPU#0 had -1071598 usecs TSC skew, fixed it up", the same for cpu 1, only the number was positive. After that "Brought up 2 CPUs" and the message i wrote above... "Double fault ... "
09:01<vC]Rajohan>twb i cant edit the sources.list without?
09:02<vC]Rajohan>get no permissons
09:02<twb>vC]Rajohan: well, the first time you need to
09:02<twb>But you should try to only become root when absolutely necessary. That means not logging into a graphical terminal as root, for example, because then all sorts of junk like dbus will be started as root
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09:04<vC]Rajohan>toktok111111119
09:04<vC]Rajohan>twb where do i login as root+
09:04<twb>C-M-F1
09:04<vC]Rajohan>i cant find it :S
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09:04<twb>Actually, probably you would prefer to use su(1) from a terminal emulator.
09:05<twb>vC]Rajohan: type Alt + f2, then enter `su' and choose `run in terminal', then press OK.
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09:06<jon_>is there anyone with experience on my problem? I can wait, no problem... :-)
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09:06<fxiny>toktok: like the postman :P
09:06<cahoot>jon_, sounds like a modern laptop with a high end cpu
09:06<alex_>.
09:06[~]zedboy wants a modern laptop with a high end cpu
09:07<vC]Rajohan>twb still i cant change the file :S
09:07<jon_>cahoot: no, its an old dual p3 which i wanted to use as webserver
09:07<twb>vC]Rajohan: you are foolish!
09:07<twb>vC]Rajohan: did you do as I asked?
09:08<cahoot>jon_, is tihs on an already installed system or are you initiating installation?
09:08<vC]Rajohan>i typed alt + f2 wited su and choose run in terminal
09:08<vC]Rajohan>and writed password
09:08<twb>vC]Rajohan: good.
09:08<twb>vC]Rajohan: now, run "editor /etc/apt/sources.list" in that terminal.
09:09<twb>vC]Rajohan: if you are familiar with vi, you may wish to use it instead of editor(1), which defaults to nano.
09:09<jon_>cahoot: i just installed the system, and this is what i get when i first boot it
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09:09<cahoot>jon_, repeated tries?
09:09<jon_>cahoot: i never used the system before, and the ex-owner used it as a windows machine
09:09<jon_>cahoot: i tried it twice
09:10<jon_>cahoot: same result. Can try it 10x if you want? :-)
09:10<cahoot>jon_, see if adding noapic to the boot line in grub does help
09:10<jon_>cahoot: ok, just a second (dunno if i know how to do it, but it sounds easy)
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09:12[~]zedboy has CVSWEB loooooove
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09:12<twb>cvs = teh suck
09:13<jon_>cahoot: when i press E, to edit the commands, where do i insert noapic? in the kernel line?
09:13<twb>yes.
09:13<cahoot>at the end of the kernel line
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09:13<cahoot>then hit b
09:14<cahoot>err then enter + b (IIRC)
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09:14<jon_>kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro noapic
09:14<jon_>thats the line
09:14<cahoot>right
09:14<jon_>booting
09:14<twb>cahoot: now we may proceed to phase 2!
09:14<jon_>"fixed recursive fault but reboot is needed!"
09:14<vC]Rajohan>twb now its edited _:)
09:15<cahoot>twb, all yours
09:15<twb>nononono
09:15[~]twb backs away
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09:15<twb>I am but a simple farmer, ee eye by gum
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09:15<twb>I are not knowing about those there boxes that speaks
09:15<cahoot>jon_, the change you just made is volatile
09:15<jon_>cahoot: chould i remove the "noapic" now?
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09:16<cahoot>it's already gone
09:16<jon_>volatile?
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09:16<cahoot>only temporary
09:16<jon_>ok
09:16<twb>volatile = made of voles
09:16<jon_>:)
09:16<twb>Kinda like mink
09:16<cahoot>as long as it isn't badgers
09:17<jon_>cahoot: so the "fixed recursive" was a good thing?
09:17<cahoot>no idea
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09:17<vC]Rajohan>twb i still dont find the irrsi package
09:17<cahoot>irssi
09:17<twb>vC]Rajohan: it's irssi.
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09:18<jon_>cahoot: hm... seems to do nothing now... "[<c0101005>] kernel_thread_helper+0x5/0xb"
09:18<twb>Voles exhibit complex genetic structures with much variation, and appear to be evolving rapidly when compared to other vertebrates. Species have been found with anywhere from 17-64 chromosomes. Female voles have been found with chromosomes from both sexes. All of these variations result in very little physical aberration: most vole species are virtually indistinguishable.
09:18<twb>Yow!
09:18<vC]Rajohan>ahh now its askes for the cd marked debian gnu/linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_
09:18<vC]Rajohan>i dont have that
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09:19<cahoot>jon_, seems that kernel doesn't really like that computer
09:19<amphi>vC]Rajohan: remove/comment the cdrom lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list
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09:19<twb>vC]Rajohan: how did you install Debian, then?
09:19<vC]Rajohan>1 cd
09:19<vC]Rajohan>no network
09:20<twb>That's what it wants
09:20<twb>That same CD
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09:20<vC]Rajohan>ahh ok
09:20<twb>If it doesn't get it, it will seek blood
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09:20<jon_>cahoot: so what do i do? :P
09:20<jon_>cahoot: install some other kernel?
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09:21<twb>jon_: no, swap out the computer
09:21<vC]Rajohan>twb my cdrom is in the other computer now :S
09:21<twb>vC]Rajohan: then you need to set up the network
09:21<jon_>twb
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09:21<jon_>twb: that isnt funny :P
09:21<vC]Rajohan>twb the debian machine got network
09:22<twb>Yow.
09:22<twb>vC]Rajohan: does "nslookup ftp.debian.org" work?
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09:22<vC]Rajohan>seams like it does
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09:23<cahoot>jon_, you can try other boot parameters - like noacpi noapic
09:23<jon_>ok
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09:23<jon_>cahoot: but changing the distro wouldnt matter?
09:24<cahoot>its' a kernel matter - don't give up
09:24<twb>vC]Rajohan: okie dokey
09:24<twb>vC]Rajohan: run the following commands as root:
09:25<twb>cat >/etc/apt/sources.list
09:25<twb>deb http://apt:3142/ftp.debian.org/debian etch main
09:25<twb>deb http://apt:3142/security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib
09:25<twb>...then press Control + d
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09:25<vC]Rajohan>ok
09:25<twb>Oops, cancel that.
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09:25<vC]Rajohan>k
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09:25<twb>Leave out the apt:3142/ part.
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09:25<jon_>cahoot: i tried noapic again, now it says "<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
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09:26<Gon>hello everybody
09:26<jon_>hello gon
09:26<Gon>i just install my first debian so iam a newbie and my wifi car doesn't work
09:27<Gon>when i do a iwconfig it is always not ready
09:27<Gon>do you think you can help me
09:27<jon_>cahoot: noacpi gave me a spontanious reboot :-)
09:27<Gon>heu this chat is french or english
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09:29<vC]Rajohan>twb ok its done now. i got two source.list files now
09:29<vC]Rajohan>hmm i wrote wrong name
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09:29<vC]Rajohan>2sec
09:29<twb>vC]Rajohan: now run "aptitude update"
09:30<twb>Gon: that's correct behaviour for wireless cards
09:30<Gon>ok but my card doesn't not blind and not work :(
09:31<fxiny>twb: volatile comes from the latin volare=to fly . needs to be quick when it comes to alcool :P
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09:31<vC]Rajohan>twb thx it gating updates now
09:31<zedboy>someone please tell me there's a smarter way of getting a string representation of an int in PHP than $str = sprintf("%d", $i);
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09:32<jon_>cahoot: you still with me? :)
09:32[~]twb denounces PHP
09:32<Gon>when i try to up my network car it says to me "Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth&"
09:33<Gon>when i try to up my network car it says to me "Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1"
09:33<vC]Rajohan>hmm twb now im getting "unable to lock the administrastion directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
09:33<stew>Gon: man interfaces
09:33<twb>Gon: run lspci. What is the entry that matches your card?
09:34<twb>vC]Rajohan: close whatever other tool you're running -- aptitude, synaptic, whatever
09:34<jon_>cahoot: i tried both "noapic" en
09:34<jon_> woops
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09:34<jon_>and "noacpi" a couple of times
09:34[~]zedboy doesn't know why it had to be invented when python already existed but that's what he's stuck with
09:35<jon_>cahoot: no real results... but keeps on freezing on random moments...
09:35[~]fxiny lights a snake-shaped candle to his Larry Wall alter
09:35<stew>zedboy: "".$i
09:36<vC]Rajohan>twb im still getting it and now is just terminal running
09:36<twb>vC]Rajohan: perhaps you paused a program using C-z?
09:36<zedboy>stew: yeah? ok nifty
09:37<stew>zedboy: or actually, "$i"
09:37<vC]Rajohan>twb i dont think so i dont know how to use C-z
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09:37<vC]Rajohan>but i can logg off and then on again
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09:38<twb>Whatever blows your hair back
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09:39<gsimmons_>jon_: I'd start checking the hardware for defects, such as using memtest86+ to verify the installed RAM isn't bad.
09:39<Gon>twb: the entry is the last telling 03:00.0 Network controller: Interstil Corporation ISL3890[Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886
09:39[~]zedboy lights a hump-shaped candle on his ocaml altar
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09:39<twb>Gon: OK, you might have a chance
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09:40<Gon>for what ?
09:40<Gon>may be it will work
09:40<jon_>gsimmons: could it be my ram? if so, what is the minimal amount of ram i should put in there? so i can test them seperately... :)
09:41<gsimmons_>jon_: Well, I'd imagine "minimal" would equate to "one DIMM stick". :)
09:41<fxiny>hehehe
09:41<gsimmons_>jon_: Out of interest, you don't have a Abit VP6 motherboard in there at all?
09:41<jon_>uhr
09:41<twb>http://hostap.epitest.fi/
09:41<jon_>lemme check
09:41<vC]Rajohan>twb: http://pastebin.ca/623332 <-- thats what im getting
09:42<vC]Rajohan>and i have just terminal running
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09:42<jon_>gsimmons: dunno... cant find it...
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09:42<jon_>gsimmons: its a dual p3, loads of ram, and 2 scsi 36,4 gb drives
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09:43<twb>vC]Rajohan: something is still open
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09:43<vC]Rajohan>i wrote ps and just, su, bash and ps i open is what im getting
09:43<gsimmons_>jon_: No problem. I'm just aware that particular P3 SMP motherboard shipped with poor quality capacitors. Grab a memtest86+ ISO, burn it and see if your RAM still checks out.
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09:44<abcd3212>Can anyone tell me what the command bash does?
09:44<twb>abcd3212: it hits baby seals in Peru
09:45<abcd3212>that is awesome
09:45<twb>It imports them specifically for that
09:45<Nemoder>!bash
09:45<dpkg>from memory, bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell.
09:45<abcd3212>So what happens if i type bash in the terminal exactly?
09:46<Nemoder>it runs another shell
09:46<twb>abcd3212: it creates a new bash process.
09:46<abcd3212>I see...
09:46<twb>The thing you're typing "bash" into, is bas
09:46<twb>*bash
09:46<abcd3212>But how come another terminal doesnt pop up then?
09:47<twb>Because the shell is not the terminal
09:47<abcd3212>When would it be a good idea to type bash in the terminal then?
09:47<twb>You're running the X windowing system. Inside that, a terminal emulator provides a character cell interface. Inside that, a shell (bash) runs.
09:48<twb>In general, it wouldn't.
09:48<zedboy>can someone tell me why Bash is the default debian shell?
09:48<abcd3212>How cool, thanks
09:48<twb>You might run "su -c bash", which runs a new shell as a different user.
09:48<twb>zedboy: why shouldn't it be?
09:48<zedboy>twb: because zsh is better?
09:48<twb>It's not.
09:49<twb>zsh's POSIX emulation is far inferior.
09:49<abcd3212>Ah, debian eh. I guess Ill go to ubuntu
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09:50<zedboy>twb: I've actually never encountered any issues
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09:51<twb>If I never put my hand in a furnace, it is still hot.
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09:53<zedboy>twb: if the user never needs to put his hand in the furnace, he'll probably like the fact the house is warm.
09:55<twb>I wonder if perhaps you are confusing "default shell" with "login shell"
09:55<zedboy>who me? couldn't be!
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10:02<vC]Rajohan>twb the updates are installed now
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10:02<kinus>!fixmbr
10:02<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
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10:04<twb>vC]Rajohan: now aptitude install irssi should work
10:04<jon_>gsimmons: mem is checking
10:05<vC]Rajohan>yeah i does.. :) but where do i fined irrsi now cant fined uit in my menus
10:05<twb>What menus?
10:05<twb>Just open a terminal and run "irssi"
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10:06<mtnman>hello
10:06<kinus>/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
10:07<kinus>wtf?
10:07<vC]Rajohan>bash: run comand not found
10:07<vC]Rajohan>?
10:08<Th|sD|cK>how to mount ntfs partition and make partition into free space?!
10:08<vin`>vC]Rajohan: just 'irssi' (without run)
10:08<Colin>don't type run, just
10:08<Colin>wot he said
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10:08<vC]Rajohan>gets same..
10:09<vC]Rajohan>bash: irssi command not found
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10:10<jon_>gsimmons_: are you still here?
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10:10<vin`>vC]Rajohan: did you install it?
10:10<gsimmons_>jon_: I'm here. Any errors reported so far?
10:11<vC]Rajohan>vin` yes
10:11<kinus>/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
10:11<kinus>how to fix that?
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10:11<jon_>gsimmons_:no... but i wonder if that could be the problem... did you read my initial questions? (i'm testing though, following your advice)
10:12<vC]Rajohan>got it open now :)
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10:14<twb>kinus: what reports this?
10:14<kinus>i use knoppix to run linux, and typing command that i found in !fixmbr here
10:14<kinus>when i try to install grub i get this error
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10:15<twb>What does /proc/partitons think?
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10:15<vC]Rajohan>twb is it possible toi bget the irc client run outside terminal? it was not really good in terminal
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10:15<twb>vC]Rajohan: yrd
10:15<twb>vC]Rajohan: yes
10:16<vC]Rajohan>how?
10:16<gsimmons_>jon_: I've read back through your discussions with cahoot. Given that it's second-hand - and that you can't boot a kernel reliably - I'm just eliminating potential a cause.
10:16<twb>Who cares? GUIs are for dweebs
10:16<petemc>urgh
10:16<gsimmons_>s/potential a/a potential/
10:16<twb>aptitude install xchat might work
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10:17<jon_>gsimmons_:dont really undestand... are you saying you just want to be sure it isnt the ram?
10:17<kinus>twb, sorry for flood:)
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10:17<kinus>knoppix@Knoppix:~$ cat /proc/partitions
10:17<kinus>major minor #blocks name
10:17<kinus> 8 0 156290904 sda
10:17<kinus> 8 1 48163 sda1
10:17<kinus> 8 2 145685452 sda2
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10:17<gsimmons_>jon_: That's right.
10:17<twb>That was dumb
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10:17<jon_>gsimmons_: ok... we'll just have to wait :)
10:17<kinus>aj ;)
10:17<twb>Don't do that
10:17<kinus>yea yea. i know that
10:17<jon_>gsimmons_: its at 13%
10:17<kinus>now
10:18<twb>kinus: try grub-install hd0, instead
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10:19<rajohan`linux>:D
10:19<kinus>Knoppix:/# /usr/sbin/grub-install hd0
10:19<kinus>/dev/hda3: Not found or not a block device.
10:20<twb>o_O
10:20<kinus>sd0 didn't work too
10:20<kinus>:)
10:20<twb>No, sd0 is gibberish
10:20<kinus>so what i can try ?
10:20<twb>Does grub legacy's grub-install have a -v option?
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10:21<kinus>i don't know..
10:22<twb>kinus: bloody well find out
10:22[~]twb hits kinus with a stick
10:23<rajohan`linux>twb is its possible to change the language i choose on my comp? couse i dont like this one its half norwgian and half dansih :S
10:23<kinus>-v, --version print the version information and exit
10:24<twb>rajohan`linux: it should have asked you when you installed it
10:24<rajohan`linux>it did but it said norwegian not norwegian/danish
10:24<twb>I don't know about that
10:24<fxiny>is kinus in ?
10:25<rajohan`linux>i want english insted
10:25<kinus>?
10:25<fxiny>kinus: hahahah what's going on today ? :)
10:25<twb>rajohan`linux: run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as root.
10:25<kinus>nvm
10:25<cire>hi, is there an open source project (perhaps also in debian tree) which is able to perform the following: It should run on an server and collect mails from several pop3 accounts, store them locally, and let more than one client (i.e. MS Outlook) at once have access to the mails. I know there are several groupware projects, but those are too huge/complicated for us. Do you know any projects fitting my needs?
10:25<rajohan`linux>ok
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10:25<kinus>/dev/sda3 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
10:25<kinus>solve it fxiny
10:25<twb>cire: fetchmail
10:26<cire>hwo does fetchmail provide the locally stored mails to the clients?
10:26<twb>fetchmail + ~Pimap-daemon
10:26<cire>They shall not have to download them again...
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10:26<cire>do you know a good ressource to learn more about fetchmail?
10:26<twb>The manual.
10:26<jon_>google
10:26<cire>;) okay, thanks for the hint.
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10:27<twb>But know this: ESR did not write fetchmail!
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10:27<twb>He just maintained it for a while and added the crappy pseudo-english config file format
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10:28<fxiny>kinus: i'll ask twb for the same stick :)
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10:28<jon_>gsimmons_: till what time are you here? the memtest will last for another 80 minutes if i'm correct
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10:29<twb>jon_: #debian operates 9am `til 4.30pm
10:29<jon_>what time zone?
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10:29<twb>With a half-hour lunch break at 1pm
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10:29<twb>Overnight we play reruns from 1998
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10:29<petemc>very sardonic
10:29<jon_>twb: what time zone?
10:29<twb>This one
10:29<petemc>not so useful, from a support pov
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10:30<jon_>twb: this one? ... what time is it in "this one" ?
10:31<twb>jon_: I am being flippant. You don't appear to have noticed.
10:31<twb>It pains me to have to say so outright.
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10:31<jon_>twb: no, i didnt notice... i dont know what it means
10:31<rajohan`linux>twb, im getting this: http://pastebin.ca/623389
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10:31<petemc>twb: that kind of persiflage isnt universal, and certainly not in written form..
10:31<cire>okay, I think fetchmail will be good for my application. I think I'll use imap to provide the mails to the clients. But if Person A writes a mail in outlook and sends it, how may Person B see that mail? I think I have to store the outgoing mails somehow somewhere else...
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10:32<kinus>!fixmbr
10:32<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
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10:32<twb>petemc: so I'm spreading diversity?
10:32<twb>rajohan`linux: stick a -plow in between the two words
10:32<kinus>wrrr
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10:32<jon_>twb: flippant means talkative :)
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10:32<twb>jon_: how about `inane'?
10:33<jon_>+s ?
10:33<kinus>Knoppix:/# /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda
10:33<kinus>/dev/hda3: Not found or not a block device.
10:33<jon_>"INSUBSTANTIAL"
10:33<kinus>???????
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10:34<rajohan`linux>twb, im still getting that error message
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10:34<fxiny>kinus: try this "verbose" one , is for sarge but is ok : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/325
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10:35<twb>rajohan`linux: try LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales
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10:35<metafor>My /home partition has some filesystem errors which couldnt be corrected on startup. How can I fix them manually
10:35<twb>rajohan`linux: try LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales, even.
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10:35<twb>metafor: what errors, specifically?
10:35<jon_>twb: do you have any suggestions for me except dumping the computer?
10:35<twb>jon_: sorry, no.
10:35<metafor>corruption or something
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10:35<kinus>fxiny, "error while loading"this www
10:35<twb>metafor: so what is the situation now? The system booted normally but /home is not mounted?
10:36<metafor>twb: yes /home is mounted.
10:36<twb>Well first of all unmount it
10:36<metafor>twb: so far it seems to work normally
10:36<rajohan`linux>twb, ok now i got Generation complete. will i need to restart to get it to english?
10:36<twb>rajohan`linux: it's supposed to ask you what languages you want
10:36<rajohan`linux>yes it does
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10:36<metafor>twb: Ok.
10:36<jon_>twb: think it might help reinstalling debian?
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10:37<twb>jon_: I doubt that will help.
10:37<twb>jon_: probably you need to tell the kernel to do/not do something
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10:37<jon_>twb: doubt means: probably not. right
10:37<fxiny>kinus: loading what ? just follow debian-admin instrucitons .forget sarge "choosing linux2.4" .
10:38<rajohan`linux>twb, i dont wanna do that.. but, it says it should be en_US.UTF-8 should be the lang now. you think i will need to restart?
10:38<fxiny>kinus: or . read it to understand what is about and follow dpkg-instaructions
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10:38<twb>rajohan`linux: it asked you questions?
10:38<kinus>fxiny, you pasted wrong link....
10:38<rajohan`linux>ahh it wasent to me..
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10:40<fxiny>kinus: what exactly is your problem ? fixmbr or what else ?
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10:40<kinus>yes...
10:40<rajohan`linux>ok im trying a restart mayby it will be english then
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10:41<cahoot>jon_, if the installer kernel boots chances are the real problem is the kernel on the system
10:41<twb>I wish people wouldn't just restart impulsively
10:42<frank>people are used to from windows, trained over years ;)
10:42<jon_>cahoot: i dont understand... the kernel on the system? the motherboard firmware or something?
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10:43<cahoot>jon_, no the kernel on the hd as opposed to the kernel on the installationCD
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10:43<jon_>hm
10:43<jon_>kee
10:43<jon_>cahoot: so... what should i do if thats the case? reinstall debian?
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10:44<fxiny>kinus: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/325 tells you how . use your knoopix live cd , create a temporary dir , mount your / on it and do your chroot
10:44<rajohan>twb, still norwegian/danish :S
10:44<cahoot>ideally just get hold of a kernel that is more like the one on the cd
10:45<jon_>cahoot: yeah, but i have no idea of how to do that...
10:45<fxiny>kinus: just because i know you are having a very hard time , yesterday i told you to install grub for window on windows . to boot your debian this way and to reinstall grub while on debian
10:46<fxiny>but i hate saying that . so please do your best
10:46<cahoot>jon_, just for curiosity reasons see if the installer boots - you can abort it to leave the system as is
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10:47<jon_>cahoot: will do that after the memtest
10:47<jon_>cahoot: if it does... ?
10:47<jon_>cahoot: boot
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10:48<kinus>fxiny, lynx: Can't access startfile http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/325
10:48<kinus>i was talkig about that in last 10 minutes...
10:49<cahoot>jon_, then it should be possible to use the installer (or any liveCD) to install another kernel - that's above my competence though
10:50<fxiny>kinus: it works . start lynx . press g and paste the url . accept cookies
10:50<jon_>cahoot: though i should be able to find a manual on that right?
10:51<jon_>gsimmons_: no errors in the memtest...
10:51<fxiny>kinus: q to quit
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10:53<jon_>cahoot: i'll be right back
10:53<jon_>cahoot: if i miss you when i get back: thanks for the help
10:54<jon_>gsimmons_: you too
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10:59<twb>A user with the nick `lambda' has no place pushing Pythoon
11:00<fxiny>shall i light another candle for the sacrilege ?
11:00<twb>Go ahead
11:01[~]fxiny lights a twb-shaped candle to his Larry Wall altar
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11:01<fxiny>and a sprinkle of gang... ops incense :P
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11:03<twb>ganglia?
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11:03<Zooby>hi
11:03<Zooby>i have compilation problems
11:03<fxiny>yes east ganglia ;)
11:03<twb>Ha
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11:03<Rajohan`linux>twb, it wont change to english :S
11:04<twb>Zooby: I won't tell your girlfriend
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11:04<Zooby>thx
11:04<Guest640>Does somone know what do do when I cant do "lsusb" ? Cause it seem to crash or something, cause it just sits there forever.. and its just a blank line after the command..
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11:04<Zooby>:D
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11:04<Zooby>hydra-sip.c:4:25: error: openssl/ssl.h: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
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11:04<Zooby>don't know why
11:04<Zooby>i have the last openssl package
11:04<Zooby>#include <openssl/ssl.h>
11:04<Zooby>#include <openssl/err.h>
11:04<Zooby>#include <openssl/md5.h>
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11:05<azeem>Zooby: you need the development package
11:05<Zooby>how do i install it ?
11:05<azeem>with apt-get
11:05<twb>aptitoode
11:05<Zooby>but what is his name ?
11:05<azeem>why do you want to compile manually?
11:05<Zooby>i don't have choice
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11:05<Zooby>it'as an "artisanal" program
11:05<fxiny>artisanal ?
11:05<Zooby>lol
11:05<azeem>Zooby: packages.debian.org has a search functionaly for files at the bottom, see which package contains openssl/ssl.h
11:06<Zooby>thx azeem
11:06<Zooby>hu artisanal is french words
11:06<Zooby>xD
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11:06<fxiny>artisanal like in "the league of crafty coders" ?
11:06<Zooby>lol
11:07<fxiny>very leet
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11:10<Zooby>libdevel/libssl-dev
11:10<Zooby>azeem this ?
11:10<azeem>yes
11:10<Zooby>ok thx
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11:15<Zooby>lol
11:15<Zooby>private joke in the makefile
11:15<Zooby>xD
11:15<fxiny>hmmm cannot connect to google
11:15<Zooby> @echo If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament
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11:15<Zooby>fxiny, i can
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11:16<fxiny>Zooby: you open it up :)
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11:16<Zooby>yes i do
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11:18<fxiny>where's kinus ? i found a grub cd !
11:18<fxiny>hmmm
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11:20<twb>fxiny: yow, set fire to the cat!
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11:21<Zooby>azeem
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11:21<Zooby>what do you think of this error msg
11:21<fxiny>twb: my cat the resident ? why ? she's lovely and black ;)
11:22<twb>So you've already done it?
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11:22<Zooby>Error: configure wasnt happy. Analyse this:
11:22<Zooby>configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
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11:23<fxiny>twb: never . i only have a stick ready for one of her lovers , but if you insist i'll set him ablaze :P
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11:24<azeem>Zooby: you also need the GTK+2.0 development package
11:24<Zooby>ok
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11:24<Zooby>i did not found it
11:24<fxiny>twb: no jokes . he (kinus tm) have no floppy drive . i found something called super grub . he can burn on a cd
11:24<Zooby>libgtk2.0-0-dbg
11:24<Zooby>this one ?
11:25<fxiny>has*
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11:25<twb>I think probably the only reason he had problems was because he booted from knoppix instead of the debian install CD
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11:25<fxiny>twb: i'd blame dell
11:25<Zooby>thx azeem
11:26<Zooby>i found the packages
11:26<fxiny>i can't stand dell boot partition
11:26<fxiny>or what is it
11:26<twb>I wouldn't know
11:26<twb>By the time I see dells, they've been owned by 3 other companies.
11:27<fxiny>twb: and anyway i wish i could help him . is not installing ubu on a dell ...
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11:28<Zooby>\o/
11:28<Zooby>compilation is a successs
11:28<Zooby>thx a lot
11:28<kurumin>I'm trying to compile a library but I receive the following message(when I run ./configure): Qt toolkit not found. Does anyone know what package I must install?
11:28<Zooby>-_-
11:28<weasel>kurumin: one of the qt*-dev packages?
11:28<weasel>kurumin: apt-cache search qt dev | grep dev
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11:30<fxiny>twb: maybe it was a cd-rw and he burned knoppix on it
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11:34<twb>Whatever
11:34<twb>weasel: FYI: aptitude search ~n^qt~ndev$
11:35<twb>Actually, ~nqt~ndev is a more accurate gloss.
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11:41<kinus>fxiny, solution from debian-administration.org helps partly..
11:41<kinus>in boot time i see "GRUB INSTALL STAGE 1.5"and some strange symbols.. and that is all :P
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11:41<Metalqga>hi kinus
11:41<kinus>"GRUB LOAD STAGE" or something
11:41<Metalqga>what's your prob?
11:42<Metalqga>you cant boot into debian?
11:42<kinus>Metalqga, hmm... yes..
11:42<Metalqga>i had the very same prob today
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11:42<kinus>;)
11:42<kinus>and what you do ?
11:42<Metalqga>I installed it and it couldnt install grub
11:42<Metalqga>it stopped at 0% in the installer
11:43<kinus>but grub setup says "DONE"
11:43<kinus>and it's broken..
11:43<kinus>:/
11:43<Metalqga>your prob shouldnt be that difficult to solve
11:44<Metalqga>see linuxjournal.com/article/4622
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11:45<fxiny>kinus: any chance to burn a cd ?
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11:45<kinus>yea, i can go to second pc.. becuase windows doesn't boot now..
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11:46<kinus>that broken grub destroy all :)
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11:47<fxiny>kinus: ok . i never tried before but somehow i'd like to see you out of troble . google for super grub . it seem you can burn it and/or install it on a floppy
11:47<iod>what is the proper way load iptables configuration on boot now? is it modifying /etc/network/interfaces and adding pre-up? and should the script then go in /etc/init.d/?
11:47<kinus>fxiny, i don't have floppy drive
11:48<fxiny>kinus: i know . you can burn it on a cd
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11:49[~]fxiny Metalqga strange
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11:50<fxiny>kinus: btw .where is your debian install cd ?
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11:51<zedboy>oooh, etch just detected my usb drive. how'd it do that?
11:51[~]zedboy reads the mounttab
11:51<kinus>i have it fxiny
11:51<kinus>but.. when i run it, other console and try mount
11:52<kinus>it says "no such device"
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11:52<kinus>i can't mount root partition
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11:52<fxiny>kinus: where is your root partition hda3 ?
11:53<kinus>fxiny, yes
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11:53<fxiny>kinus: what's the error ?
11:53<kinus>i try mount -t reiserfs /dev/sda3 /mydisk
11:53<kinus>and it says "no such device"
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11:56<kinus>fxiny, any suggestions?:)
11:56<fxiny>kinus: check the output of fdisk -l
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11:57<kinus>fxiny, when i run from cd, fdisk -l didn't display anything
11:57<fxiny>kinus: does it show sda3 as a valid device ?
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11:57<kinus>fxiny, show nothing
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11:57<fxiny>ohh yeahhh i forgot
11:58<kinus>?
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11:59<fxiny>kinus: are you sure your root partition is on the third primary
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11:59<KaiSVK>hi all, does anyone have experience installing ati fglrx drivers on etch ?
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12:00<kinus>fxiny, /dev/sda3 18144 19334 9566707+ 83 Linux
12:00<kinus>in knoppix
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12:00<kinus>KaiSVK, we can say that i have :)
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12:01<KaiSVK>I have a problem installing it I did everything like said in this doc http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Generating.2FInstalling_Debian_packages_from_the_ATI_installer
12:01<KaiSVK>and I have failed :(
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12:01<KaiSVK>kinus I have stil mesa drivers in fglrxinfo instead of ATI
12:02<fxiny>kinus: where's /mydisk is . did you create it and where ?
12:02<KaiSVK>kinus I installed it by that howto, by generating my own packages
12:02<kinus>fxiny, i made it in /
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12:02<KaiSVK>kinus do you have some clue please, I beg you :)
12:03<jon_>cahoot: hey, are you still here?
12:03<kinus>KaiSVK, it's to complex for me, sorry ;)
12:03<KaiSVK>kinus :( aah
12:03<kinus>but im sure somebody will help you
12:03<KaiSVK>kinus r u ironic ? should I provide you with more info ?
12:03<KaiSVK>kinus wish I would be so sure ...
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12:04<KaiSVK>kinus you know I have Nvidia Go7300 so I have had relatively no problem installing it
12:04<KaiSVK>kinus but on my boss notebook, he has ati x300 :(
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12:04<KaiSVK>and I am frustrated
12:05<kinus>same as me :)
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12:05<KaiSVK>and everything is just fine, when I do "modprobe fglrx" it's ok, when I do "ls mod" it's there, xorg is not complaining about anything, BUT it uses mesa driver ... stil mesa driver :(
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12:06<KaiSVK>so if ANYONE could have a clue, I would be thanful for every single link, howto, or any advice
12:07<Metalqga1>lol my nick is stil here
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12:08<kinus>!fixmbr
12:08<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
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12:09<fxiny>kinus: that's it .forget knoppix , use your debian cd
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12:10<fxiny>kinus: i don't know why knoppix refuses to mount it
12:10<kinus>fxiny, but i can't do anything when i boot cd
12:10<kinus>debian cd refuses mount:/
12:10<fxiny>kinus: press alt and f2
12:10<kinus>knopix mounted sda3
12:10<fxiny>mounted it ?
12:11<fxiny>so what ? you said it refuse it ?
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12:12<jon__>cahoot: i'm now trying to reinstall debian
12:12<kinus>knopix mounted, and "installed grub" but it's broken, i have problems with boot and when i insert debian cd press alt f2 and try to mount /dev/sda3 it says no such device
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12:13<kinus>fxiny, you know now what i mean ?:)
12:14<kinus>grub-install --recheck /dev/hdX didn't solve problem:/
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12:15<fxiny>kinus: from knoppix ok ? . you mount /dev/sda3 /mydisk ok ? cd /mydisk
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12:16<fxiny>kinus: run grub
12:16<kinus>chroot /mydisk
12:16<kinus>mount /proc
12:16<kinus>grub-install /dev/sda3
12:16<kinus>and here is problem
12:16<fxiny>kinus: at grub prompt ">" setup (hd0)
12:17<kinus>but listen, i do that to...
12:17<fxiny>kinus: hold on : chroot /mydisk
12:17<fxiny>kinus: quit exit chroot
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12:17<fxiny>kinus: umount it !
12:18<fxiny>kinus: did you umount it before?
12:18<kinus>no...
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12:19<kinus>it doesn't umount.. or i don't know how.. i have problems with umount
12:19<fxiny>kinus: that's it . maybe you borked grub . try again and we'll see
12:19<fxiny>kinus: exit chroot first
12:19<kinus>wait, i'm lost now little :)
12:19<fxiny>kinus: move off from mydisk
12:20<fxiny>kinus: and then umount /dev/sda3
12:20<kinus>i start once again full procedure
12:20<fxiny>kinus: follow debian-admin old sarge instructions
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12:21<fxiny>kinus: rememebr to exit chroot and to umount
12:21<kinus>umount: /mydisk: device is busy
12:21<fxiny>of course
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12:21<kinus>:)
12:21<kinus>hyh
12:21<fxiny>kinus: you are into it i bet
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12:22<fxiny>kinus: are you still chrooting ? type "quit" to exit
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12:30<version2>how should my /var/www files be chmodded?
12:30<jamess>depends on what they are and how you have everything set up
12:30<KaiSVK>so another problem, does anyone know, it is possible to install ipw3945 drivers with my custom compiled kernek 2.6.22.1 ?
12:31<jamess>are multiple users ftp'ing those files?, if so, chown'd to the user and 644/755 or similar, depending on if they're perl/cgi or not
12:31<KaiSVK>it is still complaining that it doesn't have kernel headers, but I have kernel 2.6.22.1 compiled from source
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12:31<aakef>Hi all.
12:31<jamess>otherwise, chowned to www-data w/ 600 or 700
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12:31<Zooby>is there any packet for libssh2
12:31<Zooby>?
12:32<aakef>I'm getting "unknown substitution variable ${Source:Version}", but I need this variable.
12:32<aakef>Any idea why ${Source:Version} can't be properly substituted?
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12:35<version2>jamess: Yeah, I'm uploading files via sftp from one user. I have php files (sometimes relies on cgi). I want php files to be able to write to each other if required by the php file.
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12:40<Rajohan`linux>if it some firewall buildt in debian? be port 1337 can be seen on inett and i have opned it in my router
12:40<Rajohan`linux>is*
12:42<twb>No leetspek, please.
12:43<twb>Oh, nm
12:43<twb>Yes, Debian includes a firewall, but by default it should allow everything through.
12:43<Rajohan`linux>seams like its not :S
12:43<twb>Rajohan`linux: /sbin/iptables -L should be empty
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12:45<Rajohan`linux>http://pastebin.ca/623537
12:45<Rajohan`linux>thats what im getting
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12:45<twb>Yes, that's empty.
12:46<Rajohan`linux>hmm why cant my port be seen then
12:46<Rajohan`linux>on my windows computr it can
12:46<twb>Probably because you are misrepresenting the problem.
12:46<twb>Why do you need the port exposed?
12:47<Rajohan`linux>i setting up and cs server... and i cant get into it
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12:50<AccessDenied>hello all
12:50<qbit>hello!
12:50<qbit>Put the lotion on the skin!
12:51<qbit>:)
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12:51<Rajohan`linux>twb, is the problem in my router or debian?
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12:52<twb>Probably
12:52<AccessDenied>hi qbit
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12:52<zedboy>hmm, where has the window manager selection gone in gnome?
12:53<twb>gconf-editor, I expect
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12:53<twb>On account of it being useful^W confusing.
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13:07<Zooby>how do i remove a package & his dependancies
13:08<Zooby>i mean everything
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13:08<sceptik>Can help me?
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13:10<tarzeau>Zooby: which pkg?
13:10<tarzeau>Zooby: even highscore files and debconf entries?
13:11<tarzeau>Zooby: `deborphan` is always nice in a apt-get --purge remove
13:11<sceptik>i'm build emacs22.1 from unstable (emacs22_22.1+1.orig.tar.bz2) + deb-src patch (emacs22_22.1+1-1.diff.gz)
13:11<sceptik>during build occurs:
13:11<sceptik>Fatal error (11)/bin/sh: line 2: 10682 Segmentation fault ../src/bootstrap-emacs -batch --no-site-file --multibyte -l autoload --eval '(setq generated-autoload-file "/home/sceptik/docs/4build/emacs/emacs-22.1/lisp/loaddefs.el")' -f batch-update-autoloads $wins
13:11<sceptik>make[3]: *** [autoloads] Error 139
13:11<sceptik>make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/sceptik/docs/4build/emacs/emacs-22.1/debian/build-x/lisp'
13:11<sceptik>make[2]: *** [bootstrap-build] Error 2
13:11<sceptik>make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sceptik/docs/4build/emacs/emacs-22.1/debian/build-x'
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13:11<sceptik>??
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13:13<sceptik>how me build emacs22?
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13:16<fxiny>building emacs ? why ?
13:16<qbit>sceptik, it'
13:16<qbit>s unstable
13:16<qbit>:P
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13:16<sceptik>fxiny: it is necessary
13:17<Zooby>tarzeau,
13:17<Zooby>i wanna purge medusa
13:17<Zooby>xD
13:17<fxiny>kinus: too many errors . i'd reinstall
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13:18<sceptik>So somebody build emacs22?
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13:23<josuek>hola
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13:23<josuek>soy de mexico df
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13:23<josuek>y ustedes?
13:23<avu>!es
13:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:24<josuek>tengo problemas al instalar Amsn
13:24<josuek>ustedes lo han instalado?
13:24<jakeriver>english please.
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13:24<josuek>ok
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13:25<josuek>
13:25<josuek>I have problems when installing Amsn in debian 4. Algien already has installed it.
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13:35<SimonM>Hi
13:35<SimonM>Anyone has experience with configuring alsa to support surround sound?
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13:39<_tuzhila>how i can to attach backports for my debian
13:39<_tuzhila>?
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13:40<fxiny>read http://www.backports.org/ instructions
13:40<fxiny>!bpo
13:40<dpkg>backports.org is, like, an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>
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13:44<_tuzhila>W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
13:44<Maulkin>!apt-key EA8E8B2116BA136C
13:44<dpkg>gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys EA8E8B2116BA136C ; gpg --export EA8E8B2116BA136C | sudo apt-key add -;
13:44<_tuzhila>how i can to resolve this problem?
13:44<Maulkin>Run that
13:45<_tuzhila>no
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13:45<_tuzhila>this is did not help me
13:45<Maulkin>Did you run that command?
13:45<_tuzhila>yes
13:45<Maulkin>And what was the output?
13:46<_tuzhila>tuzhila@pbx:~$ sudo gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys EA8E8B2116BA136C ; gpg --export EA8E8B2116BA136C | sudo apt-key add -
13:46<_tuzhila>gpg: requesting key 16BA136C from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net
13:46<_tuzhila>gpg: key 16BA136C: "Backports.org Archive Key <ftp-master@backports.org>" not changed
13:46<_tuzhila>gpg: Total number processed: 1
13:46<_tuzhila>gpg: unchanged: 1
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13:46[~]Maulkin sighs
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13:46<_tuzhila>?
13:46<Maulkin>Just the last line or two please
13:46<Maulkin>!tell _tuzhila about paste
13:46<_tuzhila>gpg: failed to create temporary file `/home/tuzhila/.gnupg/.#lk0x8116230.pbx.8048': Permission denied
13:46<_tuzhila>gpg: keyblock resource `/home/tuzhila/.gnupg/pubring.gpg': general error
13:46<_tuzhila>gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
13:46<_tuzhila>gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
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13:47<Maulkin>"chmod 700 /home/tuzhila/.gnupg/" first
13:47<_tuzhila>help me, please
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13:48<witte>_tuzhila: don't paste
13:48<witte>!paste
13:48<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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13:48<Hans_Petter>Hi, I'm installing Gnome2 on my debian system right now. Full installation of gnome. Just apt-get install gnome... You think my 500mhz processor can handle that smooth?
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13:48<Hans_Petter>I have 128MB ram
13:49<Maulkin>Hans_Petter: hrm. It may have some issues. It depends what else you run.
13:49<Hans_Petter>I don't know about the GraphicCard, but I guess it'64MB
13:49<zedboy>Hans_Petter: runs fine for me here
13:49<_tuzhila>gpg: can't open `/home/tuzhila/.gnupg/pubring.gpg'
13:49<_tuzhila>gpg: WARNING: nothing exported
13:49<_tuzhila>gpg: key export failed: file open error
13:49<_tuzhila>gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found
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13:49<zedboy>Hans_Petter: i have a little more ram than that tho
13:49<Hans_Petter>It's a clean install. Just the system and xorg
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13:50[~]Maulkin finds gnome is fairly heavy on ram.
13:50<fxiny>i can run gnome on a PII 400 with 224524 . maybe 128 is not too much
13:50<_tuzhila>i have this error, what you think?
13:50<_tuzhila>gpg: can't open `/home/tuzhila/.gnupg/pubring.gpg'
13:50<Maulkin>_tuzhila: chmod u+rw /home/tuzhila/.gnupg/*
13:50<Hans_Petter>Maybe I should have installed just the gnome core?
13:50<zedboy>Hans_Petter: eh just go for it, it'll be fine.
13:51<Hans_Petter>ok, if you think so :) I'll see in a few min.
13:51<fxiny>i said i can but i won't : flux rulez here :)
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13:51<_tuzhila>ok, thanks, i did it
13:52<fxiny>maybe 128 can run it slow
13:52<Maulkin>Hans_Petter: if you have problems, I'd suggest looking at XFCE
13:52<Maulkin>If that doesn't work smoothly, there are others too, but you may want to come back here for advice :)
13:53<Hans_Petter>Maulkin: OK thanks :)
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13:53<Hans_Petter>It works perfectly! :D Runs VERY good indeed
13:54<fxiny>yahhh gnome is nice , a bit fat but nice
13:54<EmleyMoor>I have a Debian machine running CUPS to serve my HP LJ5 Si MX - cannot see how to enable, if needed, use of A3 paper in it
13:54<Maulkin>Hans_Petter: you may find yourself running out of ram when you open complicated applications. That's the only issue I'd find
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13:55<ygrek>gnome user switch (after lock session) lists too many users - how can I edit that? There is no need for svnowner or debian-tor user to be shown there..
13:56<Hans_Petter>OK I was just wondering. You stop Xwindows with "stopx" right? I'm planing to use this computer as a server, so I don't want x-windows to run in the background all the time taking up lots of resources
13:56<_tuzhila>how i can finding neccesary package only in one repository?
13:56<_tuzhila>not on cd
13:56<Maulkin>_tuzhila: apt-cache policy packagename
13:56<Maulkin>That will tell you where it's available from
13:56<_tuzhila>what does it mean, policy?
13:56<_tuzhila>oh, ok
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13:59<AccessDenied>i heard CUPS was sold to Apple
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13:59<AccessDenied>is that good or bad?
14:00<_tuzhila>and what you thinking?
14:00<EmleyMoor>A3 is not in the list of paper sizes in CUPS
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14:03<gmc>!list
14:03<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gmc
14:03<shogunx>hahaha
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14:03<shogunx>great factoid
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14:04<fxiny>tell apple to forget dpkg-bot :P
14:05<mkraft>Hello, can somebody help me?
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14:05<noname001>.
14:05<mkraft>I can't connect my debian to the internet of my girlfriend
14:05<shogunx>does that mean its now called iPrint?
14:05<fxiny>heheheheheheeh
14:06<shogunx>mkraft is she mad at you?
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14:06<witte>mkraft: you should be more specific with your question
14:06<mkraft>yes but for other reasons :)
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14:07<shogunx>if there were only a manpage for girlfriends
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14:08<mkraft>Background: I'm currently on Windows XP and the person who installed her internet is not there
14:08<mkraft>I am in Germany, they have strange internet overthere. Looking at ipconfig scares me (ipv4to6 tunnels and such)
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14:09<mkraft>It's an rj45 port on the XP. Trying to plug wireshark shows a lot of arp and netbios crap but I'm unable to do anything
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14:11<streuner>shoun: there is ;-)
14:11<streuner>shogunx: there is ;-)
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14:11<fxiny>i ain't got it . it must obviously be on unstable ;)
14:12<mkraft>ipconfig is this: http://pastebin.com/d7aa55955. I need to transpose to linux...
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14:12<streuner>shogunx: http://linux.about.com/od/funnymanpages/a/funman_date.htm
14:13<shogunx>:)
14:13<Hans_Petter>I'm having some minor problems with sudoers it seems like.. I cannot use the sudo comand. I just get a error message my user is not listed in the sudoers list... Anyone know how I can add my user to the sudo list?
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14:13<AccessDenied>shogunx: LOL @ iPrint...cups could very well be called that...at least in OSX
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14:15<ygrek>Hans_Petter, visudo
14:15<shogunx>AccessDenied, i bet it will be.
14:15<AccessDenied>just hope apple don't fsck with it though
14:15<AccessDenied>otherwise it be forked quick
14:15<Hans_Petter>ygrek: thanks :)
14:16<AccessDenied>some peeps think Apple is like another Microsoft
14:16<jMCg>What then is Google?
14:17<qbit>death
14:17<fxiny>Google ? the masonic lodge of the Great Python ?
14:17<shogunx>google just wont sell you one of theirs... but they will let you use it.
14:18<Ganneff>now
14:18<Ganneff>could you come back to topic, whcih is Debian
14:18<Ganneff>and not apple
14:18<Ganneff>thanks
14:18<Ganneff>(or google)
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14:19<shogunx>you have a question Ganneff?
14:19<Ganneff>i dont need one.
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14:20<shogunx>ahh, only annoyance then.
14:20|-|mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
14:20<@Ganneff>keeping the channel at topic...
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14:21|-|mode/#debian [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff
14:21<shogunx>Ganneff could you explain the differences between the debian kernel and a vanilla kernel.org kernel?
14:21<Ganneff>look into the source of the debian kernel to see it. lots of patches
14:22<Myon>.oO(what's the difference between an EOD?)
14:22<shogunx>oh, i know all about it, but i just wanted something on topic to see if you were will ing to contribute to the discussion or were just abusing having ops...
14:23<Ganneff>its not abusing to keep the channel ontopic. be careful.
14:23<Ganneff>and thats eod in here.
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14:25|-|mode/#debian [-o Myon] by Myon
14:25<AccessDenied>poor shogunx...
14:25<AccessDenied>seems he had brainlock
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14:25<fxiny>kinus: any good news ? does it boot ?
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14:26<dartagnan>hi there
14:27<ricky>One for all and all for one!
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14:27<fxiny>Dumas father?
14:27<dartagnan>i would like my debian box to automatically start an x windows application without having to logon.... what is the best way to do that ?
14:27<dartagnan>:)
14:27<Myon>gdm/kdm have autologin
14:28<dartagnan>that will remove the login but not start automatically the app
14:28<helmut>hi. (etch) I've been looking for some sort of restricted sftp/scp. I'd like to restrict it to not write to .dotfiles. is that possible?
14:28<ricky>You can add programs to be automatically started in GNOME's sessions thingy.
14:28<dartagnan>'kay
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14:29<helmut>(preferrably I'd like to lock sftp/scp to a subdirectory of the users home without installing special chroot-helper utilities in everyones public_html folder)
14:30<dartagnan>i would like also to access the desktop of this xwindows remotely with an x server. should i use xdmcp ? ssh/x ?
14:30<Myon>helmut: I know rssh/scponly that restricts to $HOME
14:30<Myon>maybe you can tweak them
14:30<Myon>or (evil) use a different home for ssh connections
14:31<helmut>Myon: there is some configure option for scponly that makes it not access .dotfiles. however I could not find out wheter it was configured that way.
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14:31<helmut>Myon: is jailing to $HOME somewhere documented?
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14:32<Myon>to $HOME, see rssh/scponly
14:32<Myon>for everything else, I believe pam should be able to do that
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14:32<helmut>scponly -c "ls .." shows me the contents of /home
14:32<[SpA]SaintK>Evening
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14:33<helmut>Myon: in what way does pam help?
14:33<Myon>*shrugs*
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14:34<helmut>the worst problem is that if users can overwrite their .mailfiler they can execute anything.
14:34<helmut>and maildrop requires .mailfilter being owned by the user
14:34<w00ter>I've been searching, but i cannot find anything... I'm looking for some sort of system, which can move pre-configured server files onto differant machines trough ftp or what ever, being controlled from a webportal. Example; Make pre-configged server installations, then trough webpannel tell it to install on server X on location Y, and excecute file Z when done... If this makes any sense, does any one know if such a thing excists? (or anything remot
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14:35<Myon>w00ter: FAI
14:35<Myon>or cfengine
14:35<streuner>for cfengine you need to be a super guru ;-)
14:35<Myon>w00ter: btw, your line was cut off at or anything remot
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14:36<w00ter>(or anything remotely likeit)
14:36<w00ter>was almost there :D
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14:37<Myon>http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
14:37<streuner>well, cfengine isnt well documented either
14:37<w00ter>Myon - cheers
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14:40<w00ter>Myon - this is a bit more advanced then i am looking for. I'm not specificly looking for installing/configurating whole OS'ses on multiple machines. What i want is to deploy pre-conffiged software on differant machines, for example game server files
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14:40<w00ter>Do you happen to have any more suggestions ?
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14:40<Myon>what does "deploy" mean?
14:40<Myon>install .deb files? unpack tar/zip files?
14:40<qbit>anyone have apt-listbugs working on unstable behind a proxy?
14:40<dartagnan>bye
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14:41<Myon>w00ter: there's rsync, and with ssh you can script anything
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14:42<Myon>cat bla.tar.gz | ssh server "cd / ; tar xz"
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14:43<mtnman>ls
14:44<qbit>or...... scp bla.tar.gz root@server:~/
14:44<mtnman>does anyone know which package contains ds.o?
14:44<w00ter>Deploy: I'll get into a bit more detail. The idea is to pre-config gameserver installations and store them one one central server. When ever i want to setup game X on server Y, i would like to be able to do this trough a simple web portal or something alike it. For example if i see game type X being very populair, i can easally add more servers without needing to go trough manually setting them up
14:44<Myon>mtnman: packages.debian.org
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14:45<Myon>w00ter: create Debian package for the games
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14:46<w00ter>Myon - sounds like a plan. Do you happen to know a handy guide for that by head? (if not i'll do some google'ing)
14:46<Myon>that's the maint-guide
14:46<w00ter>cheers
14:47<Myon>http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
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14:48<Myon>mtnman: .o files are usually not installed on the system
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14:48<Myon>mtnman: you'll probably need to look for a source package containing ds.c or something
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14:50<mtnman>myon search is disabled on p.d.o
14:50<helmut>Myon: having had a deeper look at scponly and rssh I believe both of them being extremly insecure without a chroot. (~/.ssh/environment for instance) thanks though.
14:50<Myon>works here
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14:50<mtnman>myon already tried /msging dpkg
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14:51<mtnman>myon i'd been asking dpkg to find ds.o which was also not found.
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14:53<Myon>that's because it is not there
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14:53<mtnman>myon: up to this point you have been exceedingly helful.
14:53<Myon>21:48 <Myon> mtnman: .o files are usually not installed on the system
14:53<Myon>http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?version=unstable&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=ds.o&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs
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14:54<mtnman>myron: well, actually a number of .o files are installed under /lib/modules
14:55<mtnman>a rather large number...
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14:56<zedboy>hmmm. how can i efficiently select rows where an index is *not* in another table?
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14:57<mtnman>myron: so the your answer to my original question is "no"
14:57<mtnman>the thing is the /etc/inti.d/pcmcia start fails because it cannot locate module "ds"
14:57<zedboy>(i.e. something smarter than doing a select for every student to see if he has a class assigned - in order to generate a list of students with no classes assigned)
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14:58<Myon>zedboy: SELECT ... WHERE student IS NOT IN (SELECT....) ?
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14:59<kinus>hey, i have problems with grub-install, could somebody look at the log ? http://paste.debian.net/32936
14:59<zedboy>Myon: ooh that's what i need
15:00[~]zedboy needs a better sql reference over here
15:00<qbit>kinus, something in your menu.list ( er what ever ) is pointing to /de/hda
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15:00<zedboy>Myon: rock
15:01<EmleyMoor>In general, should a printer with trays for two different paper sizes be set up as 1 printer which should intelligently choose the right one or two printers, one for each size?
15:01<mtnman>does anyone know what this module called "ds" which seems to be required by pcmcia-cs happens to be?
15:02<qbit>mtnman, modinfo it
15:02<mtnman>qbit: the module does not appear on my system.
15:02<qbit>hmmmmm
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15:03<mtnman>qbit: that is the problem, pcmcia-cs fails when it cannot find ds
15:03<kinus>qbit: this is my menu.lst http://paste.debian.net/32939
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15:04<kinus>could somebody help me with that grub ? :)
15:04<mtnman>kinus: i believe there is #grub
15:05<qbit>kinus, try it without that rootnoverify option
15:05<qbit>just for fun
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15:06<fxiny>i don't understand myself why when he run : grub-install /dev/sda he get an error: /dev/hda3: Not found or not a block device
15:06<takka>hi
15:06<qbit>mtnman, try "cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/pcmcia
15:06<qbit>see if there is a ds.o or ko
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15:06<qbit>what kernel are you using?
15:06<mtnman>qbit: already been there tried that
15:06<mtnman>2.4
15:06<qbit>it doesn't exist in that dir
15:06<qbit>?
15:07<Th|sD|cK>when i open my webcam i see blu screen
15:07<mtnman>no, or else why would i still be lookin
15:07<fxiny>why on earth the error is about /dev/hda3
15:07<mtnman>?
15:07<qbit>it wouldn't probe
15:07<mtnman>qbit: i did a find and the file isn't there. no it will not load.
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15:08<mtnman>it is also complaining about missing pcmcia driver services. is that something like the pcmcia-modules package?
15:09<qbit>try installing pcmcia via module-assistant
15:09<qbit>that might do ya well
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15:10<maxdoubt>how do i extract a deb package so i can examine the scripts that run when it is installed?
15:10<mtnman>qbit: what is this module-assistant? installing packages is a bit of a pain since the pcmcia services won't start and i have no network, other than sneakernet.
15:10<qbit>haha
15:10<fxiny>ar x *.deb && tar xxvf data*
15:10<qbit>yeah... pwnt
15:10<fxiny>zxvf*
15:10<qbit>it's a kernel module auto build app
15:11<fxiny>if you don'0t like v use emacs ;)
15:11<takka>anybody in here familiar with software-trunking (bonding) of 2 nics?
15:11<mtnman>qbit: i don't think i should need that. unless you can explain why...
15:11<Myon>maxdoubt: 'mc' allows you to look inside quite nicely
15:11<qbit>build the pcmcia drivers
15:11<fxiny>true
15:11<qbit>for your kernel
15:11<Myon>fxiny: control.tar.gz, btw
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15:12<fxiny>Myon: please . can you look at kinus problem ?
15:12<mtnman>qbit: i have never had to build a driver for this system. somehow during an upgrade, pcmcia failed.
15:12<qbit>mk
15:12<fxiny>Myon: i don't understand that error sda/hda3
15:13<tycale>How I can cahnge the beep system for a true sound ?
15:13<tycale>change*
15:13<Myon>grub is black magic to me
15:13<tycale>(KDE)
15:13<fxiny>why grub-install /dev/sda gives hda3 on the way
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15:13<qbit>mtnman, do you need to run the 2.4 kernel?
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15:13<mtnman>qbit: no, but that is what is currently installed on the system.
15:14<Myon>/dev not mounted?
15:14<Myon>or devfs-style device names?
15:14<mtnman>qbit: i was hoping to find this ds module, load it in the appropriate directory, and re-enable pcmcia and therefore networking.
15:15<qbit>yeah.. i think you are on your own for that part... i would recommend dling the 2.6 kernel..
15:15<qbit>i am not too savy for 2.4 anymore
15:15<mtnman>qbit: it shows :)
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15:16<qbit>your mom shows!
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15:16<qbit>:D
15:17<mtnman>qbit: your mom shows your sister.
15:17<qbit>now that's what i am talking about
15:17<qbit>http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/OSAlternatifs/mandriva-probleme-pcmcia-sujet_50069_1.htm <---- that may help... if you can read french
15:17<takka>....
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15:17<takka>can anybody tell me if this http://pastebin.ca/623722 represents a problem in bonding (kernel 2.6.22) ?
15:17<takka>im getting this in dmesg everytime i boot my box- im trying to bond 2 nics with mode-6 (balance-alb)
15:17<mtnman>i can read it, but my pronuciation is terrible and my comprehension is worse.
15:17<mtnman>much worse...
15:18<mtnman>thanks anyway. back to google...
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15:19<zedboy>Myon: does mysql support nested queries like that?
15:19<Myon>if not, try a Real Database
15:20<maxdoubt>Myon, can i edit the files via MC and save them in the debian package?
15:20<Myon>uh, I don't think so
15:21<Myon>it's probably easier to download the source and rebuild it
15:21<Myon>(though there's dpkg-repack or something)
15:21<maxdoubt>Myon, i can't do that... its proprietary :-( so... my best bet is to extract and repack?
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15:22<Myon>probably
15:22<zedboy>Myon: mph. i didn't choose it, but i'm stick with it ;)
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15:23<dropshot>afternoon
15:23<dropshot>i have a minimal install of debian etch
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15:25<takka>wow
15:25<dropshot>yeah. i know
15:27<dropshot>the problem is i cant seem to acces the internet
15:27<dropshot>there is no connection to the web at all
15:28<takka>go install windows then ;~
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15:30<mtnman>dropshot: have you configured eth0?
15:30<dropshot>not sure how
15:30<dropshot>dont see a network config utility anywhere
15:30<mtnman>dropshot: as root, do ifconfig eth0 and check if it is configured
15:30<Myon>why did you do a minimal install anyway?
15:30<dropshot>just for kicks
15:31<dropshot>eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
15:31<mtnman>get your kicks on route 66
15:31<Myon>man interfaces
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15:32<maxdoubt>Myon, dpkg-repack doesn't seem to do that, any clue as to the ar command?
15:32<Myon>unpack, an repack with dpkg-deb -b
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15:36<darksatanic>How do I change the timezone on a machine?
15:36<darksatanic>I used to use tzconfig, which changed the timezone permanently and for all users,
15:36<mtnman>darksatanic: um tzconfig
15:36<darksatanic>but that seems to have vanished since the last time I went abroad.
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15:37<mtnman>dark: seems you want tzselect
15:38<Myon>dpkg-reconfigre tzdata seems to work
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15:39<Th|sD|cK>my web cam have an output bluscreen
15:40<darksatanic>Myon: That did the trick. Thanks.
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15:45<mtnman>has pcmcia-utils been replaced/deprecated?
15:46<mtnman>excuse me, i meant pcmcia-modules
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15:48<frank>mtnman: iirc most of those modules are in the kernel
15:49<mtnman>frank: not the one called "ds.o". it is not found on one of my systems and is causeing pcmcia (and therefore networking) to fail.
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15:51<mtnman>bye for now
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16:05<hetOrakel>can someone give me please a good tip for burning DVD's The speed sucks big time
16:06[~]qbit hands hetOrakel a few tips
16:06<hetOrakel>dma is enable according to hdparm
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17:11<malin>Hi, I need some help with a problem, anyone who know if there's drivers for d-links usb connected wifi adapter?
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17:13<malin>Anyone in here good at d-link drivers?
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17:16<knoppix_> deutschland hier
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17:22<peter__>I have problem with dvd players. When I watch movie, I see stripes... in totem, also I see some pixels, looks like bad resolution ;/ I have tried xine, totem, vlc, mplayer. I have installed w32codecs, libdvdcss... what can I do with it?
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17:26<eldowan>peter__: all players have the same problem?
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17:26<peter__>eldowan, hm... yes, on all players in all movies I have I see stripes
17:27<eldowan>you are in freenode also?
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17:28<peter__>eldowan, yes
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17:48<voyager1>hola a tod@s
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17:56<roberto>hi
17:56<roberto>alguien habla español?
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17:57<amphi>!es
17:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:57<roberto>thank
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17:58<amphi>de nada ;)
17:59<sysop>pense que habia entrado al canal en ingles
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18:01<roberto>de hecho
18:01<roberto>estoi confundido
18:01<roberto>es primera vez que uso linux
18:01<roberto>""
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18:04<guillaume>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-i386_2.6-2_amd64.deb: tentative de remplacement de « /usr/lib32 », qui appartient aussi au paquet lib32z1 error when launching aptitude upgradeunder lenny.
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18:04<sysop>no te preocupes, de hecho yo iba entrando y pense que ya tenia por default el canal en español
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18:05<sysop>muy bien roberto, bienvenido al mundo de linux.
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18:10<djuLoq>!es
18:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:11<djuLoq>en este canal, ante que te cases miro lo que haces
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18:12<sysop>sorry
18:12<djuLoq>np esta bien
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18:33<sysop>so silent... would be better option keep spanish users.
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18:57<Networkgamer>hey
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18:58<EtherNet>Networkgamer: hello
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18:59<Networkgamer>yesterday was funny cause i got windows running on my psp
18:59<Networkgamer>it sucked ass
19:00<Networkgamer>it was so slow
19:00<EtherNet>Networkgamer: whatever platform you choose for run that... will be bullshit
19:00<Networkgamer>but it was even worse cause of the boost feature
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19:01<Networkgamer>cause normally the cursor would only move 1 pixel each time you hit the directional button
19:01<Networkgamer>in any direction
19:01<Networkgamer>but if you hit any direction in windows,each press would make it go farthur and farthur
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19:02<Networkgamer>and to make it go the opposite direction youd have to press the opposite direction an equal ammount of times + 1 that you hit the other button
19:02<EtherNet>that's screwed up.
19:03<djuLoq>farthur and farthur = faster and faster *?
19:03<Networkgamer>it wouldve been better of bochs had ir keyboard support for psp
19:03<Networkgamer>yeah
19:03<Networkgamer>like hit up once
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19:03<djuLoq>Faster and faster of course meaning further per time, rate = faster
19:03<djuLoq>Yeah
19:03<Networkgamer>and it goes up 1 pixel
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19:03<Networkgamer>then hit up again,and it goes up 5 pixels
19:03<djuLoq>:(
19:03<Networkgamer>then hit down,and itll go up 1 pixel
19:04<Networkgamer>then hit down again and itll stay there
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19:04<Networkgamer>then down again and it goes down 1 pixel
19:04<Networkgamer>then up and it sits still
19:04<Networkgamer>do you think i need nero 7 for my laptop?
19:05<djuLoq>k3b
19:05<Networkgamer>i need to clean out space on it
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19:05<Networkgamer>wait instead of that do you know about a windows app to merge partitions?
19:06<Networkgamer>or a linux app to merge partitions?
19:06<eldowan>Networkgamer: partition magic
19:06<Networkgamer>anything i can install from the command line
19:07<Networkgamer>in linux
19:07<Networkgamer>i cant stand installing stuff on windows
19:07<Networkgamer>for aptitude
19:07<djuLoq>!enter
19:07<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate!
19:07<Networkgamer>ok,sorry
19:08<Networkgamer>ill see if i can find anything
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19:43<lucas_amorim>hello. What software do you use to record videos from a webcam? I can view and take pictures from phillips webcam using camorama. But I am not able to record videos
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20:03<Networkgamer>what app can i use to enlarge a partition?
20:03<Networkgamer>what app can i use to enlarge a partition?
20:03<Networkgamer>sorry for that
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20:07<g3o>hello , i need a lil help :)
20:08<g3o>im installing debian , and im downloading dvd's , there are 3 , the first is bootable ?
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20:13<g3o>hello , i need a lil help with debian , wanna know if first dvd is bootable , and if it necesary to have the 3 dvd's to finish installation ?
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20:18<miksuh>g3o: first dvd should be enough, you can install rest of the stuff from the internet
20:19<miksuh>if you don't really need that first dvd then you could also install using netinst cd
20:19<g3o>taht means it wont ask me to put dvd 2 or smth during installation ?
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20:21<miksuh>g3ui: i'm not sure about thgat i have always installed using netinst. But afaik it should be possible to install using just dvd1
20:22<g3o>10x miksuh , got a question about partitions
20:22<g3o>can my debian detect ntfs partitions n read data from them ?
20:25<miksuh>ofcourse it can. If you mean if ntfs harddisk partitions are automatically mounted after first boot, i don't know. It's many years I used windows last time.
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20:28<EtherNet>g3o, use ntfs-3g
20:28<miksuh>at home i mean
20:28<gsimmons_>g3o: The debian installer (d-i) recognises partitions with NTFS filesystems, allowing you to resize them (eg. to make space) if necessary. You can also read from NTFS partitions from within your Debian system (after installation), but this involves amending your /etc/fstab file. Ask the dpkg bot about 'ntfsro' (/msg dpkg ntfsro) for more details about the amendment.
20:29<miksuh>I think ntfs-3g is not in etch?
20:29<miksuh>wasn't it dropped just before release?
20:29<g3o>no idea here :p
20:30<miksuh>I have ntfs-3g installed, but I upgraded to etch in august
20:30<gsimmons_>miksuh: Yep, 'ntfs-3g' is not available in stable.
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20:31<g3o>just one last question , i kinda used windows all my life , decision taken im dumping it , u think its possible for a new debian user to stop completly using windopws ?
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20:38<miksuh>It depends on what you want to do with your computer. In general I would say, yes it is possible. But ofcourse it takes time to get used to new system.. If you play lot's of windows games or use some special windows software then it might be sometimes a bit difficult.
20:39<miksuh>you can run windows apps and games using wine though
20:39<miksuh>I know many people who have completely switched from windows to linux and they are wery happy
20:40<g3o>okay ... and i got xp now ... 3 partitions , i emptied one , if i boot with debian and install it on it , the other 2 will sta intact automatically ? and dual boot will be automatically done ?
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20:51<g3o>Wb miskuh
20:51<g3o>i asked u smth ..
20:51<g3o>okay ... and i got xp now ... 3 partitions , i emptied one , if i boot with debian and install it on it , the other 2 will sta intact automatically ? and dual boot will be automatically done ?
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20:51<gsimmons_>g3o: I believe it would be easier for you (and d-i) if you just delete that empty partition outright, as Debian will require its own partitions for its use (see section 3.5 of the Installation Guide). d-i should detect your other operating system and provide an option for booting this within the GRUB (default) boot loader.
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20:52<g3o>oh okay thanks gsimmons_ :))))
20:52<gsimmons_>g3o: It's still a good idea to have a backup of your system beforehand, in the event for difficulities. Having a rescue/boot disk beforehand (to boot back into Windows) would be a good idea also.
20:53<gsimmons_>!tell g3o -about i-g
20:53<g3o>yes i was thinking about that :) save data on some internet server too
20:53<g3o>(i still got ust an empty dvd :p cant burn everything on dvd :p )
20:55<gsimmons_>g3o: Other than that, you should be fine. Ask again in here if you have any problems during or after the install, but check the Installation Guide first (a lot of topics are covered).
20:56<g3o>Thank you gsimmons_ i will print it n read it , just found it simple to ask couple questions out here before installing , will gain time :)
20:56<g3o>than you for ur help , i really appreciate it :)
20:56<g3o>all f u
20:56<g3o>of*
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21:09<insigne>alguem pode me ajudar a configurar a minha webcam
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21:12<jrwr>What would you say is the faster server in NA
21:14<jrwr>and what is best to install on a desktop box
21:14<jrwr>Stable Testing or what?
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21:27<davidh>anyone uses SCIM?
21:27<davidh>I could not start the session
21:28<davidh>after installtion
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21:28<davidh>control-space does nothing
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21:28<davidh>configuration problo,
21:28<davidh>problem?
21:28<davidh>need help
21:28<davidh>any expert?
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21:29<manphiz>davidh, try restart X ?
21:29<davidh>manphiz: I logout and login twice
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21:29<davidh>also I removed the packages and reinstall twice also
21:30<davidh>nothing help
21:30<davidh>s
21:30<manphiz>davidh, did the scim panel show up in the notification area?
21:30<davidh>configuration issue?
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21:30<davidh>manphiz: It shows in thw application menu. But I have to manually set it to the panel
21:31<manphiz>davidh, or maybe you didn't install the corresponding input method or your language?
21:31<davidh>I did everything according the Debian-Chinese Mini How-to
21:32<manphiz>davidh, have you installed scim-pinyin?
21:32<davidh>The Application menu has a SCIM Input Method Setup where I set to panel (bottom bar)
21:33<davidh>manphiz: I installed scim, scim-chinese, scim-tables-zh
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21:33<davidh>manphiz: Do I need to install scim-pinyin?
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21:34<manphiz>davidh, now scim-chinese is a metapackage which depends on scim-pinyin. what's your locale? is it utf8?
21:34<davidh>manphiz: When I invokes SCIM Input Method Setup, a screen comes up allowing me to configure certain keys. I also saw that Control-Space is for trigger
21:35<manphiz>davidh, scim functions under utf8 locale.
21:35<davidh> * en_US ISO-8859-1
21:35<davidh> * zh_CN GB2312
21:35<davidh> * zh_CN.GBK GBK
21:35<davidh> * zh_CN.UTF-8 UTF-8
21:35<davidh> * zh_TW BIG5
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21:36<davidh>hello I am back
21:36<davidh>http://isis.poly.edu/~qiming/chinese-debian-mini-howto.html
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21:37<manphiz>davidh, make sure you are using a utf8 locale
21:37<davidh>manphiz: How do I set the utf8?
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21:37<manphiz>davidh, paste your output of command "locale" somewhere.
21:38<davidh>manphiz: Open a flood channel please
21:39<davidh>?
21:39<manphiz>davidh, paste them at http://rafb.net/paste/
21:39<davidh>manphiz: Sorry, could you just open a flood channel?
21:40<manphiz>davidh, ok... you name one
21:40<davidh>called #flood
21:40<davidh>xchat->Server->join channel->#flood
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21:50<karlNY>/apt help
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21:57<freight>Heyas. I need a suggestion for a small lightweight mail server that uses the Sendmail API. I'm doinking around with Horde3 a bit, and it requires one. Exim?
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22:14<karlNY>anyone here use HP Proliant G2 servers? with SmartArray? I am looking to disable RAID and only enable SCSI on that SmartArray controller.
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22:15<UnKnowN>ugh whats the faq for blacklisting
22:15<UnKnowN>someone dpkg me it xD
22:15<alaya>karlNY: the controller uses cciss module
22:15<UnKnowN>!dpkg blacklisting unknown
22:15<UnKnowN>!blacklisting
22:15<UnKnowN>whats the trigger?
22:15<karlNY>alaya: thanks - cciss is always in logical drive mode, though - no way to control the drive(s) as simply straight-up, vanilla SCSI ?
22:16<alaya>karlNY: i thought that was in the bios setup?
22:16<alaya>the raid bios setup
22:16<UnKnowN>SOMEONE!
22:16<UnKnowN>TELL ME BEFORE I DIE!
22:17<UnKnowN>It's life or death here
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22:17<alaya>UnKnowN: google for debian irc factoid and find the page which lets you search
22:17<karlNY>alaya: checked out the BIOS and SmartArray controller configuration, and neither let me disable RAID, but still see the drives. So it is cciss or nothing. I was hoping to go SCSI (instead of RAID0) for special purposes. I may need add-on controller hardware, like an 8port PCI-e SAS card.
22:17<alaya>vireo.org something
22:17<karlNY>/who alaya
22:18<karlNY>hah
22:18<UnKnowN>idk how
22:18<UnKnowN>whats google
22:19<karlNY>alaya: I think I need to search the HP manuals on crazy extreme BIOS settings.... I will check again one more time now... I know how unusual it must sound that someone prefers to run a RAID controller in SCSI mode. But it is essential to the purpose of the tasks.
22:20<karlNY>alaya: thanks for the ideas/encouragement. I'll be around
22:20<alaya>karlNY: call HP support
22:20<karlNY>I'm going to try to ring them tomrrow at 11am EST
22:20<UnKnowN>so what is the replacment for hotplug in sid?
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22:21<alaya>udev?
22:21<karlNY>I do think I've done the right research and found it is not possible to disable the onboard raid, without getting an add-on card... but if I am wrong, I will follow-up tomorrow night back in #here
22:21<UnKnowN>ah lol
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22:21<UnKnowN><-- forgot
22:21<UnKnowN>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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22:33<jw>What's the best console-based irc app?
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22:36<jw>I'm used to bitchx, but wondering if there's something better, without the obnoxious exit messages...
22:36<tarzeau>jw: irssi-text
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22:38<nvelixzee>tarzeau: do you know how it compares to epic4?
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22:39<tarzeau>nvelixzee: not really
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22:51<Paulo_SSA>Alguém aki pode ajudar um leigo "tapado" a instalar o debian?
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22:51<Paulo_SSA>Tenho quase 1h tentando e nada...
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22:52<atperez>!br
22:52<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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23:01<panis>hey
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23:05<Th|sD|cK>!sound
23:05<dpkg>sound is, like, ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard
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23:27<deepfrze>where can I find the etch 2007 keyID?
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23:35<jw_>5~/exit
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23:36<deepfrze>I have the keyID for the 2006 key but can't find it for the 2007 key?
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23:45<MoohZ86>hello
23:45<kop>deepfrze : Hang on a sec.
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23:46<kop>deepfrze : I think there's instructions here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7
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23:48<niru>nrcfoss
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23:49<niru>chess game logs me out of the system once I click on quit
23:49<niru>why
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23:50<kop>niru : What do you do to start the chess game?
23:50<niru>kop, through menu I start the game
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23:50<niru>is it a bug
23:51<kop>niru: I don't have an etch system running X handy. Are you running etch?
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23:52<niru>kop yes
23:52<niru>how can I solve that
23:52<niru>any file u can mention
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23:54<kop>niru: I'm not sure what would do that. Perhaps it's taking over the X root window, and then when the game shuts down X goes away. You might try running "startx" in an alternalte console (Ctrl-Alt-F2 for instance) and then running the game from there and looking at the X logs in /var/log/
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23:56<kop>niru: The logs might be the place to start. Or perhaps try running it from a termial and seeing if the game spits out any useful messages. You might also try looking in /usr/share/doc/ under the name of the game to see if there's a README or something. Or read the man page.
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23:56<deepfrze>kop: thanks
23:59<kop>niru: Or look for bug reports at debian.org.
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