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---Logopened Fri Jul 20 00:00:25 2007
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00:03<onbes|deb1an>hi
00:04<sysop>hi
00:04<onbes|deb1an>i were here a few hours ago - my internet fucked up. my problem was the sound in debian. when i start teamspeak i can not listen to music etc. teamspeak blocks the sound channel. the problem is not spezial teamspeak. every software which needs sound ...
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00:05<onbes|deb1an>i tried the diffrent drivers
00:05<onbes|deb1an>alsa oss ...
00:05<lincoln>hello,every one
00:05<onbes|deb1an>hi
00:05<sysop>onbes|deb1an, I have problem like you.
00:06<sysop>but only in hda-intel audio
00:06<sysop>onbes|deb1an, when I have other that work easily
00:07<onbes|deb1an>i have already asked my friend google, but the only productiv (if there is a word like this in english) answer he gave me was the channel
00:07<sysop>onbes|deb1an, I try install the newst alsa driver and other alsa packages and nothing to do with a program that use oss sound system
00:07<sysop>onbes|deb1an, but what is exactly your problem?
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00:08<Messo>hi!
00:09<sysop>Messo, hi!
00:09<onbes|deb1an>my problem is if I start an application with work with sound I can not start an other application with sound
00:09<onbes|deb1an>the sound channel is "full"
00:09<onbes|deb1an>only one application can use the sound channel
00:09<onbes|deb1an>that is my problem
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00:09<sysop>onbes|deb1an, I have this problem but only when application use oss (old sound system)
00:10<Messo>rightnow, i'm downloading the DVD1, and i'm curious, that i'll need the other 2 dvds for the install, or they contain other packages which i can isntall later?
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00:10<onbes|deb1an>yes Teamspeak use oss
00:10<sysop>what chipset, driver is your sound card?
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00:11<onbes|deb1an>i have a sound card extern and an onboard. at the moment i use the onboard card ähm its ä
00:11<onbes|deb1an>the extern card is i guess genius
00:11<sysop>Messo, what dvd?... if you have a speed conection to internet, only need one, and then Install everything from internet
00:12<sysop>Messo, only netinstall cdrom ;)
00:12<Messo>:)
00:12<sysop>onbes|deb1an, teorically, I guess with alsa-oss this have to work fine.
00:13<sysop>onbes|deb1an, but I still have the same problem
00:13<onbes|deb1an>hm yes an other fried have the same problems with his sound
00:13<onbes|deb1an>has
00:13<Messo>yep, but I like to own the full package, now i'm downloading these:
00:13<Messo>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-dvd/
00:13<Messo>and there is 3 dvds
00:14<onbes|deb1an>Yes, I have also used the netinstall cdrom. Downloading the full package is to large/big for my "slow" connection;)
00:14<onbes|deb1an>sry my english is not the best;9
00:14<Messo>i hope that the main system/install package is on the first dvd ;)
00:14<onbes|deb1an>;)
00:14<Messo>same @ me :) i'm hungarian
00:14<onbes|deb1an>hihi I'm from german;9
00:14<onbes|deb1an>;)
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00:15<onbes|deb1an>y
00:16<Messo>guten tag ;) so if i downloaded dvd1, i'll be able to install it and try it, right? and dvd2-dvd3 contain other packages, but not necessary for the main system
00:16<onbes|deb1an>sysop everything is configurated well with one exception: sound -.-"
00:16<onbes|deb1an>Guten Morgen;)
00:16<Messo>:P
00:16<sysop>onbes|deb1an, yes... I think so too about my machine.
00:16<Messo>other question:
00:16<onbes|deb1an>Ähm yes I think so. Normaly it should how you said Messo
00:17<onbes|deb1an>shoukd be
00:17<Messo>oh ty
00:17<sysop>Messo, yes
00:17<Messo>did you try cedega?
00:18<sysop>Messo, not. what it is?
00:18<onbes|deb1an>is it not something like wine?
00:18<Messo>yep
00:18<onbes|deb1an>for games?
00:18<Messo>but it's for games
00:18<Messo>dx emulation or something like that
00:18<onbes|deb1an>no I just heard something about that.
00:18<Messo>i tried it on suse, but i think something was wrong
00:19<sysop>ok...
00:19<onbes|deb1an>hm Suse
00:19<Messo>because it didn't recognize 3d accerelation ;)
00:19<onbes|deb1an>I do not know why, but i hate Suse (my personal)
00:19<onbes|deb1an>It is like windows. you click and everything is done
00:19<sysop>try opensuse if you hate when novell close that.
00:19<onbes|deb1an>:P
00:19<Messo>:) it was good at the first time, but the problems came and came....
00:20<onbes|deb1an>What time is it where you live? :)
00:20<k-man>i'm trying to install 2.6.21, but its not finding my sata drive at boot time
00:20<Messo>(on suse, i mean opensuse)
00:20<sysop>onbes|deb1an, 12:20 am
00:20<k-man>because the sata drivers aren't loading properly i think
00:20<k-man>did something change between 2.6.18 and 2.6.21?
00:20<onbes|deb1an>where are you from if you do not mind my asking
00:20<sysop>k-man, have you initrd image?
00:21<sysop>k-man, or driver modules for sata is inside kernel?
00:21<k-man>sysop, um... what do you mean? is that a special kernel version?
00:21<k-man>sysop, its a stock debian kernel, and it appears to me the sata drivers are not being loaded from initramfs
00:21<k-man>initrd or whatever
00:22<onbes|deb1an>you had the problems with the installation of suse?
00:22<onbes|deb1an>right?
00:22<onbes|deb1an>or debian?
00:22<sysop>initrd image was created with modules in /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf, I don't remember very well
00:22<sysop>onbes|deb1an, I have one problem with a server with raid 1+0 or raid 10
00:23<sysop>onbes|deb1an, driver for that was for suse enterprise 10 or 9, but I try opensuse and nothing.
00:23<k-man>sysop, not sure what you mean
00:23<Messo>(OFF: how can i write to people in IRC, in the public channel, like sysop was writing to me)
00:23<sysop>onbes|deb1an, with a hardware controller for raid
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00:24<onbes>sry i closed the window
00:24<onbes>hm
00:24<Messo>I just have to mention the name? or how will it be highlighted?
00:25<sysop>Messo, yes but depend of your irc client (I think so)
00:25<sysop>onbes, hehehehe
00:25<onbes>My Desktop PC has only got IDE -.-" but a fried had the same problems like u but i have forget the answer:P
00:26<Messo>oki ;)
00:26<onbes>guys
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00:26<sysop>onbes, what?
00:27<onbes>I had not slept since ähm yesterday
00:27<sysop>onbes, hehehehe
00:27<onbes>and here it is 7:27 am
00:27<onbes>I have to get some sleep
00:27<onbes>:P
00:27<sysop>onbes, friend, go to sleep
00:28<Messo>:)
00:28<Messo>7:28 at me too :)
00:28<onbes>I will be back;) See you later.
00:28<Messo>but we're going to travel to my grandfather ;)
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00:28<sysop>european boys
00:28<onbes>:P
00:28<onbes>and you where r u fromß
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00:29<sysop>land of tequila and mariachi :D
00:29<Messo>ups
00:29<sysop>hehehehe
00:29<onbes|deb1an>:P
00:29<onbes|deb1an>bye
00:29<Messo>switch the browser ;)
00:29<sysop>bye
00:29<Messo>cya
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00:29<Messo>*switched
00:29<Messo>1/3 of dvd1 is done ;)
00:30<sysop>Messo, hehehehehe good luck
00:30<Messo>1:51 till the full :P
00:30<Messo>it's coming with avg. 450kb/s
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00:30<sysop>good bandwith
00:31<Messo>yep ;)
00:31<Messo>but it should be 560kb/s
00:31<Messo>according to the contract
00:31<Messo>but we're far from the center i think
00:32<sysop>Messo, hehehehe
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00:32<sysop>Messo, in Mbps what is your contract bandwith?
00:33<Messo>4480 kbps
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00:33<yujie>hi ll
00:33<sysop>hi
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00:33<sysop>:)
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00:33<Messo>back
00:33<Messo>;)
00:33<Messo>srry
00:33<Messo>my client is a java application
00:34<Messo>and the site is refreshing in 10 min or so
00:34<Messo>so i'm downloding with 3500kbps instead of 4480... :)
00:34<Messo>but this service was 384kbps/s :)
00:35<Messo>just it had been increased
00:35<sysop>Messo, but in Mbps?
00:35<sysop>or contract toll you it in kbps?
00:35<Messo>just divide by 1024 ;)
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00:35<Messo>contract is 4480kbit/s
00:36<Messo>am i writing with red color?
00:36<sysop>Messo, yes but I in contract say in Mbps or kbps?
00:36<Messo>ohh, dunno :)
00:36<Messo>but 4480 was said by my router :)
00:37<Messo>and router was given by ISP
00:37<sysop>Messo, some isp think 1 mbps is 1000 000 bps
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00:37<sysop>Messo, not 1024 or pows of 2
00:37<sysop>Messo, like hard disk capacity... is for that I asked about contract
00:37<Messo>yep
00:38<Messo>but this speed was told by ADSL router
00:38<Messo>and i think it says the "offical" latency
00:38<Messo>latency -> speed, sry ;)
00:39<Messo>let's get back to debian :) : did you have serious problems in debian?
00:39<Messo>or is it a really good os?
00:40<sysop>Messo, may be the problem is in between monitor and the chair.... hahahahaha
00:41<sysop>Messo, or a problem in layer 8 in OSI/ISO model.
00:41<sysop>hahahaha
00:41<sysop>another joke :)
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00:43<Messo>:)
00:43<Messo>lol xD
00:43<Messo>i didn't get this joke: Messo, or a problem in layer 8 in OSI/ISO model.
00:43<sysop>hehehehe, is a very good one.
00:44<sysop>sysop, only for IT professional, or network admins or people like that, or cisco guys
00:44<sysop>:D
00:44<Messo>;)
00:45<sysop>if you know about layers in OSI/ISO...
00:45<sysop>sysop, first you know there is only 7 layers...
00:45<sysop>then...
00:45<Messo>;)
00:45<Messo>OSI = Open Systems Interconnection Reference Model ?
00:46<sysop>yes
00:46<yujie>who speak chinese
00:46<sysop>yujie, I don't
00:46<yujie>for anouther talk
00:47<jm_>!cn
00:47<dpkg>rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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00:47<sysop>Messo, if you study model, you see where going layers...
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00:49<sysop>layer 1 is physical... layer 2 data link, layer 3 Network... layer 6 presentation, layer 7 Application... if you follow this path
00:49<sysop>8 is a fool user problem
00:50<unix>hey im newbie here
00:51<sysop>hi unix, me still too
00:51<unix>are learning learning
00:51<unix>or just begginer like me
00:52<sysop>I like learn, but a very begginer in irc
00:52<unix>ok
00:52<unix>i use to have irc
00:52<niru>while setting console screen modes and fonts at the start up time the display binks for few sec
00:52<niru>why
00:52<unix>but in windows
00:52<niru>how can I solve thta
00:52<niru>it happens only in bootup time
00:52<niru>shutting time no such problem
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00:53<Messo>back
00:53<sysop>niru, may be a normal thing
00:54<niru>sysop, I am getting this recently
00:54<niru>earlier I never used to get such blinking
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00:54<sysop>niru, did you install something new?
00:54<niru>sysop, no only installed new grub
00:55<sysop>niru, there is some option to change resolution and other things from grub
00:55<sysop>niru, like bootsplash, vga=... etch.
00:55<niru>sysop, ro splash=silent vga=791 quiet is what I am using every time
00:56<unix>thats for the grub
00:56<unix>?
00:57<sysop>there are some time when change from vga text to graphic and is like blink, but I don't know what type of blink you have.
00:57<unix>what if modify the gnome to change the desktop environment
00:57<sysop>unix, yes are options inside grub config file...
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00:58<unix>right now im using ubuntu
00:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 288] by debhelper
00:59<unix>i tried to install debian but i did it but without no graphics
00:59<Messo>shame on you ;)
00:59<sysop>unix, don't say thath
00:59<sysop>unix, did you read title?
00:59<unix>lol
01:00<unix>ooops !
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01:00<sysop>unix, don't worry
01:00<sysop>unix, just don't ask specific thing of ubuntu
01:00<unix>what version of debian u have ?
01:01<sysop>unix, in what machine? hehehehehe
01:01<unix>lol i should ask about everything im just opening the linux bible and i already install it withou a knowlegde
01:02<sysop>I have a very bad habit to mix version of debian, it before guys in this channel told me about backport
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01:03<unix>do you have a graphic interface ?
01:03<unix>kde o gnome
01:03<sysop>I prefer gnome, but was looking for xfce or compiz only for test
01:04<niru>sysop, just the display blinks for a while
01:04<unix>ok
01:04<unix>it seems like u know about this
01:05<unix>any sugest what should be the first thing i should read ?
01:05<sysop>niru, if nothing in config or software installed changed, try to check if is a hardware problem.
01:05<sysop>unix, depend what do you want?
01:05<niru>sysop, it should not be a hardware problem because I am facig the same in all pcs
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01:06<sysop>niru, then there are more with the same problem
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01:10<sysop>well guys, this pretty boy go to bed, her girlfriend reclam his presence....
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01:10<unix>hey sysop ?
01:10<sysop>hehehe only a joke... training to marry
01:11<unix>where u from sysop ?
01:11<sysop>unix, yeap?
01:11<sysop>as I said, land of tequila and mariachi!
01:11<sysop>unix, like zorro, the movie
01:12<unix>asi q hablas espanol right ?
01:12<unix>im from DR
01:13<sysop>unix, si muy buen español
01:13<sysop>unix, pero no lo digas en voz alta porque dpkg luego nos corre a debian-es
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01:15<polardropbear>Can anyone help me with logging in as Root?
01:16<unix>jajajajaja
01:16<unix>i think i read already
01:16<unix>sudo su-
01:16<polardropbear>Anyone>
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01:18<steanjack>oie
01:18<steanjack>preciso de ajuda...alguem pode me ajudar?
01:18<mjk>!br
01:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
01:19<unix>u still there sysop ?
01:19<sysop>ese dpkg por esome cae bien
01:19<sysop>ups... sorry dpkg
01:20<steanjack>thanks
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01:21<sysop>dpkg speak very may languages, and ever he know what to say.
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01:21<sysop>very many
01:21<unix>whos dpkg sysop ?
01:21<sysop>sorry typing problem... my keyboard
01:22<sysop>unix, I don't know very well. I guess he may be a bot with IA or a very smart person.
01:22<sysop>may be both :D
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01:23<unix>how do i say je je in english ?
01:23<k-man>what does je je mean?
01:24<sysop>hehehehe
01:24<jm_>it means "I am a burro"
01:24<sysop>I guess... well I see this thing new to me.
01:24<sysop>k-man, is like lol or smile
01:25<k-man>oh
01:25<k-man>is it like a sound of laughing unix?
01:25<sysop>k-man, yes!
01:26<k-man>unix, in that case, say "he he" then
01:26<unix>right
01:26<sysop>k-man, but in spanish, people write this with jejeje or jajajaja
01:26<unix>where u work sysop ?
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01:26<sysop>sysadmin for a enterprise
01:26<unix>it depends if the joke was good enough
01:27<unix>to upgrade from jejeje to jajaja should a good joke
01:27<unix>sysop, and that is ?
01:28<sysop>I don't name it...
01:28<sysop>but if you know a better job for my, I can look a new job.
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01:30<sysop>enterprise dealer of pc components... I don't know translated name
01:30<unix>ok
01:30<unix>well i work for prtc help desk
01:31<unix>isp provider of puerto rico
01:31<unix>dmax
01:32<sysop>whow...
01:32<sysop>unix, is like WiMAX?
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01:33<unix>whats wimax
01:33<sysop>unix, a wireless service of internet with other technology...
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01:34<unix>no dmax is offers
01:34<unix>dsl in puerto rico
01:35<sysop>unix, ah ok... when do you come to mexico,
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01:36<sysop>well your enterprise... I like to change adsl connection
01:36<sysop>unix, may be you can help me with one thing...
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01:36<sysop>I have a 2wire 2071 modem/router for dsl.
01:37<sysop>but I need to use only like modem or bridge...
01:37<sysop>I want server do the connection, and server stay front on internet not the router 2071
01:38<sysop>I don't want to use dmz with the router, simply I don't want router stay in front on internet
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01:41<sysop>unix, I configured for do that, and then with debian server do connection, but I guess ISP don't like that and after a reboot to see all will work fine
01:41<sysop>this stop to function...
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01:41<unix>may isp have access to your modem from the cms
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01:43<sysop>unix, I'm a fool in that things... what is cms?
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01:43<unix>cms is a graphic controller over the internet where they can access to your modem
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01:44<sysop>but I don't know if it stop working because isp is going to change to fix ip (I buyed contract with IP fixed)
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01:45<sysop>unix, did you know this router I said?
01:45<unix>no the isp dont have to be with that let see if u are doiung the right config
01:45<unix>just i know
01:46<sysop>well, is the first time I do with that model...
01:46<unix>but we work with 2700 hg
01:46<sysop>2wire?
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01:46<unix>yea
01:46<unix>https://cms.2wire.com/cms/loginForm.do
01:46<unix>get in to this site
01:47<unix>see what i say about the cms
01:47<unix>is a secure one
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01:47<sysop>how can enter in this website?
01:48<unix>u want to log in
01:48<unix>?
01:48<sysop>the courious thing is this work for a time, util I reboot server... then problem happens
01:49<sysop>if in that website show how to configure router to function only like modem
01:49<unix>why u reboot ur server ?
01:49<sysop>I change config to apply when boot, virtual interfaces, firewall script to apply on boot time, etc.
01:50<sysop>I need to be sure, server will boot properly if it shutdown when there is a shorcut or something
01:51<sysop>I don't like to reboot 3 month later and don't know if was a configuration I do 3 months before or thins I do 5 minutes before.
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01:51<lucifer001>hello
01:51<unix>it should boot property
01:52<lucifer001>how are you >
01:52<sysop>unix, yes to be sure it boot in right way.
01:52<unix>just dont reset ur modem
01:52<sysop>unix, yes. I don't reset modem... yet
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01:53<sysop>unix, but after some trys I disconnect from power line (the router 2wire) and then reconnect
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01:54<sysop>and one more time this detect connection over pppoe, but later not.
01:54<lucifer>ye!!!
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01:58<lucifer001>aix is hard
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02:00<sysop>unix of ibm
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02:00<twb>lucifer001: is that really relevant?
02:00<sysop>sorry unix... I mean Unix OS from IBM
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02:01<unix>?
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02:03<serge>Hello! I still looking for the solution to clone my Etch server. It seems clear about debootstrap and dkpg --get-selections , .. --set-selections. But what about the settings? Will I need to answer configuration questions again? The matter is that I've installed my srv in expert mode, becuse I had to choose KOI8-R instead of default UTF locale, etc... Are there any ways to automate this part of work?
02:03<twb>!FAI
02:03<dpkg>[fai] Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai
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02:04<sysop>but FAI work from an install server not?
02:05<twb>NFI
02:05<sysop>may be you need something like Debian From Scratch
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02:06<serge>twb: thank you, it looks optimistic. Let me see..
02:06<jm_>serge: you can clone debconf database too
02:07<serge>sysop: I will need this later.. As in my plans is to create demo distro with our soft ..
02:08<serge>jm_: how to..?
02:08<twb>serge: in that case, you are more likely to want Debian Live
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02:10<jm_>serge: man debconfg-get-selections
02:10<serge>twb: live CD is possible too... Later I'll put my hands on it.
02:10<serge>jm_: thnx
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02:12<sysop>serge, try dfsbuild
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02:12<sysop>it do a live cd, and an installer of debian.
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02:15<serge>thank you, guys.
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02:17<sysop>serge, you are welcome
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02:34<smash>hello every one. Is there any help for a newbie. In my Iceweasel webbrowser I can't open xml files. how can i correct this?
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03:13<Crypticfortune>ok, the examples from the boost.org docs on regex _should_ compile, right? is this debian's fault? why? http://rafb.net/p/ZQevpk30.html
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03:26<m_g>hey people, dist-upgrade on a testing machine (last upgrade one week ago) wants to remove linux-kernel-headers and modutils. is that fine and won't cause any damage or is there a temporary problem?
03:26<dondelelcaro>m_g: linux-kernel-headers is no longer needed; modutuils is for 2.2 and 2.4; in 2.6 it's module-init-tools
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03:27<m_g>dondelelcaro, ah sounds good :) let me try
03:27<m_g>at least no errors.. thanks dondelelcaro :)
03:29<dondelelcaro>np; the package descriptions will usually help you out in these cases too
03:31<m_g>ok.. i'm a little paranoid when it comes to upgrades now because a week ago dist-upgrade screwed up a machine with a kernel update
03:31<m_g>it just wouldn't boot anymor
03:31<m_g>so i started it with a rescue system but couldn't find the cause of the problem yet
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03:59<bombom>hai
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04:10<biblio>hola buenos dias a todos
04:10<jm_>!es
04:10<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
04:12<biblio>thank you very much...
04:12<delire>biblio: hola, buenas.
04:12<biblio>i?l go there
04:12<biblio>hi delire... how are you?
04:12<dpkg>biblio: just great
04:13<delire>biblio: well thanks. getting off to a good start actually. super weather outside.
04:13<delire>biblio: y tu?
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04:16<biblio>im fiune too
04:17<biblio>fine..
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04:58<Wojtek>Hi guys
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04:59<Wojtek>does anybody know what happened to the jigdo repositories ?
04:59<Wojtek>they haven't been updated for some time now, both in stable and testing
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05:05<bebert>hi
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05:09<jesusch>Hi
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05:09<sandra_>si
05:10<sandra_>hi
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05:10<jesusch>who is the stable release manager?
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05:20<jesusch>zobel: is there already a timeline for 4.0r1?
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05:25<Wojtek>that's a good question jesusch
05:26<Wojtek>I was asking before about the whole jigdo thing, why isn't it being updated ?
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05:26<jm_>why would it be updated?
05:28<jesusch>jm_: I have a machine that is booting from an emulated USB CDROM which is currently not supported by the installer
05:28<jesusch>the debian-boot guys told me that is already fixed and waiting for r1
05:29<jm_>jesusch: yes, but as r1 hasn't been released yet ..
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05:29<jesusch>that's why I'm asking when this might happen. regarding release.d.o it should be roughly on a two month basis
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05:30<jm_>there's a mailing list for that, probably best to ask there
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05:30<jm_>or read its archives frist
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05:32<Wojtek>jm_: umm because it's a rather frequent way to keep your own little iso-repo updated? 3 months ago and before that updates were done like every 3 days and you could always get a fresh iso out of it
05:32<jm_>Wojtek: not for stable
05:32<Wojtek>now the updates for the jigdo template files have stopped, in april for the stable release and in may for the testing release
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05:34<Wojtek>stable has been last updated in april
05:34<Wojtek>and ok, that doesn't need such frequent updates because it is from the stable repo
05:34<Wojtek>but what about testing then?
05:35<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: testing is updated daily.
05:35<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: but cds for it are pretty much useless.
05:36<Wojtek>I know that guys
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05:36<Wojtek>but I'm asking here about the jigdo iso downloading method
05:36<Wojtek>why isn't thie updated
05:37<Wojtek>I always like to have a fresh copy of testing isoz on my HD, without having to download the whole thing every couple of days
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05:37<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: the reason why is because it's pointless to update the testing isos.
05:37<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: if you want to keep testing around, just run a mirror of testing.
05:38<Wojtek>umm ... so why has it been updated daily till May 28th ?
05:38<Wojtek>http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ < here ya go
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05:39<Wojtek>why is it pointless to keep the testing isoz fresh? if it's not fresh then I'd have many packages to upgrade right after install, that's why having an updated testing iso makes sense to me
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05:39<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: because you're better off pointing your machines at a local testing mirror instead
05:39<jm_>that's your problem then
05:39<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: rather than wasting processing time and diskspace storing the isos
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05:41<Wojtek>but what if the machine doesn't have net access ? :)
05:41<jm_>that's also your problem :)
05:41<jm_>there are things like apt-zip and so on
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05:41<Wojtek>oh right forgot about that
05:41<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: you don't need network access. You can create a mirror anywhere
05:41<Wojtek>so, does the whole jigdo thing not make any sense then yes ?
05:42<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: not really for testing, no.
05:42<Wojtek>if you even know what it is
05:42<Wojtek>well then the maintainer was smart :) had been updating it every 2 or 3 days for over a year or two :)
05:44<dondelelcaro>well, the maintainer was updating it because it made sense to test to make sure that it would work when it actually came time to make the stable jigdos
05:44<dondelelcaro>not necessarily because someone should use them
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05:44<Wojtek>so, "just 4 fun" ?
05:45<Wojtek>I just checked the bittorrent file repos, same thing, finished with testing on 28 May
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05:46<Wojtek>ok, now I understand
05:46<dondelelcaro>not just for fun... I explained why it was done; the other reason why they're disabled now is because d-i is in a development cycle, and may break at any time
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05:52<Wojtek>oh well that's a better reason then :) thanks dondelelcaro
05:52<Wojtek>any infos about the whole SATA spin problem with 2.6.22 ?
05:52<Wojtek>I don't want to tackle the new kernel till this is over (at least in debian)
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05:55<jm_>Wojtek: what spin problem?
05:55<Wojtek>umm I heard that there was a problem with 2.6.22 and the shutdown command
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05:56<Wojtek>that the kernel didn't send proper commands to the disk drives ... spindown or spinoff, something like that, which is neccessary before reboot or shutdown
05:56<Wojtek>it flushes the drives cache
05:56<Wojtek>there was a link describing the problem, posted on the forums but I can't find it now :(
05:56<jm_>read about it here http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html
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05:57<Wojtek>oh right that was it
05:57<jm_>it's a standby problem, not spinup problem
05:57<Wojtek>well it's hard to recall something from 2 weeks ago from memory ;)
05:57<Wojtek>so, debian doesn't have this problem ?
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06:00<Wojtek>or do I completely not understand the presented issue :)
06:00<Vrenn>hello, im running current debian stable on an Asus R1F laptop, where modules are loaded but alsa gives no sound, help please :-)
06:01<Wojtek>um do you know what kind of sound chip does your laptop use ?
06:01<jm_>!alsa checklist
06:01<dpkg>[alsa-checklist] 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
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06:01<Wojtek>right, alsaconf :)
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06:04<Vrenn>yep, did all that before
06:05<Vrenn>alsaconf is even detecting and confing the intel hda, but nosoundoutput
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06:05<Wojtek>oh intel hda
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06:05<Wojtek>I heard that there are some problems with it, but it's runnable
06:05<Wojtek>check out Alsas wiki, there's a page about it I think
06:06<Vrenn>hda-intel Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Co... hmm, ok
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06:07<Wojtek>um, so anybody knows something more about debian + SATA problem ?
06:07<Wojtek>as in here: http://linux-ata.org/shutdown.html
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06:09<witte>Wojtek: maybe you can look in the changelog?
06:09<Wojtek>changelog of the kernel-source ?
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06:10<Wojtek>or what ?
06:10<gsimmons>Wojtek: There's already a bug against 'sysvinit' for it (#430497).
06:10<Wojtek>oh
06:11<Wojtek>soo I should still wait for it to be resolved before trying 2.6.22 ?
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06:12<Wojtek>has anybody here used 2.6.22 from a SATA drive ?
06:12<gsimmons>Wojtek: I'd imagine so, if it will inconvience you that much. See also #426224.
06:13<Wojtek>well I only have 2 SATA drives...
06:15<Wojtek>wonder when it will be fixed, doesn't seem to be something BIG to do
06:15<witte>Wojtek: do you need 2.6.22
06:16<Wojtek>well not much but I like being updated ;d
06:16<Wojtek>*up-to-date :)
06:16<witte>Wojtek: in bug report #426224 the maintainer hints that it would not be trivial
06:17<Wojtek>oh, missed that part
06:17<witte>quote: "Unfortunately, it is way too much for me to do and test right now"
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06:17<Wojtek>ok then I'll try my luck in a few days, if not then I'll revert back to 2.6.21
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06:19<gsimmons>Wojtek: If you want to be updated on changes to the 'sysinitv' package, subscribe to it on the Package Tracking System.
06:20<gsimmons>s/sysinitv/sysvinit/
06:21<Vrenn>trieing something, restart
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06:22<Wojtek>um how to do that ?
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06:23<gsimmons>Wojtek: Open up <http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sysvinit.html> and provide an e-mail address at the 'Subscription' section.
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06:24<Wojtek>thanks! never knew something like this existed
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06:28<gsimmons>Wojtek: You can also subscribe to specific bugs, too.
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06:54<korny>hi
06:54<korny>how can i substitute iceweasel with firefox?
06:55<witte>korny: download the source, and compile it
06:55<witte>korny: maybe there is a non-debian repository for firefox? but i do not know about that
06:55<witte>korny: why do you want to change?
06:56<korny>i downloaded the package with binaries and when i start ./firefox, there always starts iceweasel
06:56<korny>witte: i want to have version 2.0.0.5
06:57<witte>korny: what are you running: stable, testing or unstable?
06:57<korny>witte: and i'd like to use the integrated update function
06:57<korny>testing
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06:59<witte>2.0.0.5 is now accepted in unstable
07:00<witte>normally you will have it in testing in 10 days
07:00<witte>http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel/news/20070720T070221Z.html
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07:02<korny>however i think i will install the non-free firefox
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07:04<korny>hehe i solved the problem myself: i still had an unfinished download in my iceweasel ^^
07:05<korny>thanks for your help
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07:11<mixter>hi! i just installed etch on a ibm server (x3650). the installation went just fine, but the system cannot boot. i get kernel panic and complaints about "IO-APIC + timer doesn't work". the strange thing is that the server boots just fine if i press enter in grub and chooses the default alternative. any ideas? a low-payed employee to press enter if the server reboots? ;-)
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07:12<jm_>try different kernel parameters
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07:13<mixter>jm_: but should the kernel params grub sends to the kernel differ if it boots "on it's own" or if i stand there and just presses enter?
07:13<jm_>mixter: no
07:14<mixter>jm_: thats what i find strange... and i can't really test any different parameters since the kernel boots with the once i got :-)
07:14<mixter>jm_: could i reinstall grub anyway? i could boot the machine and do whatever i like, it just don't boot by itself
07:15<jm_>mixter: well you can continue pressing enter or try the suggested alternative
07:15<jm_>mixter: there's no point in reinstalling GRUB, it works
07:15<mixter>how could i try some other parameters then?
07:15<jm_>edit kernel entry in menu.lst
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07:17<mixter>jm_: i'll try to verify that the parameters are the same when booting unattended. i'll get back :-) thanks!
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07:17<jm_>mixter: I suggest nolapic to start with
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07:28<tsai>trying to stop all apt processes. when i do ps aux there are none listed. but when i try to use apt-get install i get an error saying the process is already running. how is this possible?
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07:29<twb>tsai: please don't try to parse the output of ps(1) programmatically.
07:29<twb>See pgrep and pkill, or killall.
07:29<ackron>tsai: look for dpkg ins ps output
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07:30<twb>tsai: probably apt died and left a lock file around.
07:32<twb>tsai: what is the exact error you see?
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07:35<zach_ee>Hi! Just installed fresh debian with xfce and have trouble. ttf-opensymbol fails to run postinst and postrm
07:35<zach_ee>anybody can help?
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07:35<jm_>BTS time
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07:40<fxiny>BTSity kills the cat ...
07:41<twb>Does bug-triage work for anyone?
07:41<twb>I can only get it to list individual bugs, not e.g. src: apache2
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07:50<yangvnc>I was trying to build rt2500 wireless module with module assistant, but I got this build error - http://paste.debian.net/33068
07:51<jm_>did you run m-a prepare?
07:51<yangvnc>yes
07:51<yangvnc> m-a a-i rt2500 and m-a get rt2500;m-a build rt2500
07:52<yangvnc>I allready built the module rt2500 for the previous 2.6.18 kernel and have it installed, trying for the 2.6.21 now
07:52<jm_>make sure linux/config.h file exists
07:53<yangvnc>in which path?
07:53<jm_>should be in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.21-2-k7
07:54<yangvnc>hmmm
07:54<yangvnc>there is no linux directory in that directory
07:54<jm_>try dpkg -S linux/config.h
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07:55<jm_>hmm has that changed with 2.6.21
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07:56<yangvnc>just /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.21-2/include/linux$ configfs.h
07:56<chealer_>jm_: include/linux/config.h
07:57<jm_>chealer_: yeah, dpkg would have found that
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07:58<jm_>it is there in 2.6.18, and I remember some config.h changes in the kernel "lately", so it may be it's no longer there
07:59<jm_>yeah it's no longer there in at least 2.6.20 and newer
08:01<jm_>it should use autoconf.h - so I do remember it properly then
08:02<yangvnc>jm_: so i am out of luck for now
08:02<jm_>yangvnc: is there no newer rt2500 package out there?
08:03<yangvnc>i think not
08:03<yangvnc>i got the most recent for lenny
08:03<jm_>are you using sid?
08:03<jm_>sid has newer package than testing
08:03<yangvnc>lenny
08:03<yangvnc>I can wait and use the older kernel, untill it gets fixed for lenny
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08:23<Nemoder>I'm confused on how debian bugs are processed, this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=+430907 has been marked fixed for version 4.3.0-3 but it looks like that is only for amd64, is there also an i386 fix that is not yet in unstable?
08:26<stew>Nemoder: the maintainer built it for amd64 on his machine and uploaded the source and the amd64 binary that he built, now the buildd network is building it and intsalling it for the rest of the arches
08:26<Nemoder>ok, cool
08:26<stew>Nemoder: http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=qt4-x11
08:26<Nemoder>oh nice
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08:29<aquilotto12>buongioro
08:29<aquilotto12>qualcuno parla italiano?
08:30<jm_>!it
08:30<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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08:32<x>how i can install RealPlayer in 7.0.4 ?!
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08:33<tV2>hi
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08:38<uter>hi
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08:39<uter>i have a question about wlan ;) - I can load the drivers but how can i bind the wlan card to an interface ?
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08:41<on>I have pbs installing libc6-xen
08:42<on>apt-get install libc6-xen
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08:42<on>libc6-xen: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.5-9+b1 is to be installed
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08:42<on>a dpkg -l |grep libc6, show me ii libc6 2.5-9+b1
08:44<kaktuskatta>themill: I'm connected to the debian-box now. By following the guide on the link you sent me, I have to insert a CD for some files needed during the installation. How do I change media source? I don't have that CD anymore.....
08:44<Metalqga>edit /etc/apt/sources.list
08:45<kaktuskatta>Metalqga: Change to what?
08:45<Metalqga>put # in front the lines that state CDrom
08:45<Metalqga>or erase them
08:46<kaktuskatta>Metalqga: ok, Thanks:)
08:46<jMCg>Is there a way to manipulate the page size in Linux on a per-process base?
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08:47<Metalqga>after you edit the sources.list do -> apt-get update
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08:48[~]delire notes Firefox makes him want to $(beep -l 400 -f 38 -n -l 40 -f 2000 -n -l 40 -f 10000 -n -l 40 -f 2000 -n -l 1000 -f 37)
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08:48<kaktuskatta>say, Is it possible to add a spesific user to the "sudo" group? I tried adduser username su
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08:49<Metalqga>it's possible
08:49<kaktuskatta>That seemed to work, but I'm unable to type eg . sudo apt-get
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08:49<Metalqga>you have to edit a file I dont remember which one
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08:49<debUsr42>hi
08:49<stew>kaktuskatta: did you add the user to sudoers using visudo?
08:49<lupine_85>you need to run visudo, IIRC
08:49<kaktuskatta>I get this message: kaktus is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
08:49<lupine_85>that's the one
08:49<Metalqga>dpkg told you :D
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08:51<kaktuskatta>Metalqga: Ok, thanks
08:51<kaktuskatta>stew: no I didn't
08:51<stew>kaktuskatta: man sudoers
08:52<Metalqga>kaktuskatta if you have a question ask this chap: dpkg he is very wise and talkative :D
08:54<kaktuskatta>Metalqga: Hehe...talking to a robot :P
08:55<Metalqga>lol i didn't know that, I was just going to ask him out
08:55<Metalqga>;)
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08:55<on>I can't install libc6-xen, libc6-xen: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.5-9+b1 is to be installed, but my installed version 2.5.9+b1 !
08:55<on>can someone help me ?
08:56<Metalqga>try with synaptic
08:56<stew>on: you are trying to mix testing and stable, which is not supported
08:56<on>no at all
08:57<on>I have upgrade to etch, and I want to test xen
08:57<stew>on: ok if you are trying to or not, you have upgraded your system at least partially to lenny, aka stable, and now you are trying to mix stable pacakges in with your testing system which is not supported
08:57<stew>on: errr lenny aka testing, i mean
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08:58<stew>on: you will need to ether upgrade your system entirely to testing, and install lib6-xen from testing, or manually downgrade all of the packages that are newer than stable back to stable versions, or reinstll
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08:59<on>stew: how can I know i'm mixing packages ?
08:59<on>cat /etc/debian_version
08:59<on>i have 4.0
08:59<stew>on: you can compare your installed version of libc6 to those available from http://packages.debian.org/libc6
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09:01<on>my ii libc6 is 2.5-9+b1
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09:01<stew>on: right, which is much newer than what is available from stable which is 2.3.6.ds1-13
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09:01<phx_wk>hello
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09:02<on>stew: arrrrrrrrrrrg !
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09:02<on>stew: how can I manage with that ?
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09:02<phx_wk>I'm creating a debian package and I have one question about update files
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09:03<stew>on: libc6 is probably the most critical package on your machine, as every c program is linked against it (it prvovides the most basic of library functions for c) and the symbols in libc6 are not versioned
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09:03<stew>on: you can either manually downgrade everything newer than stable, you can upgrade everything to testing, or you can reinstall
09:03<on>stew: so I have to give up install xen on my computer....if not I will crash my computer ...sniff
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09:04<phx_wk>want I upgrade my package with apt, I want the system to ask me if I want to keep the current file or install the maintener's one
09:04<on>stew: I think it will be quicker to install a new etch from scratch....
09:05<phx_wk>but I don't understant how to do that
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09:05<on>stew: thanks !!
09:06<stew>phx_wk: hit Y to get the maintaner version, hit "N" to keep yours, or "D" to see a diff of the two
09:06<stew>phx_wk: or hit ? for an explanation
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09:06<phx_wk>I want that question yes
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09:06<DTE>hi all
09:06<phx_wk>stew: but I don't know how to to that in my rules file
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09:07<DTE>finally i setup a little cluster with 2 hosts, drbd and ocfs2
09:07<phx_wk>or is it in the postinst ?
09:07<DTE>i'd like to use it as a postfix cluster
09:07<stew>phx_wk: oh, you are creating a package. you need to have the file listed in .conffiles, where is the file being installed?
09:07<DTE>if i share the mailboxes and i leave two indipendent queues on the hosts is it going to be right?
09:08<phx_wk>stew: thx, I will search that way
09:08<stew>phx_wk: generally, anything in /etc/ would be automatically marked as a conffile. if it is a configuration file, it should probably be in /etc
09:09<Metalqga>lol a quote worthy of an award "These companies (AMD and Nvidia) are complete morons in the grand scheme of things, for their behavior over the drivers for their hardware in linux."
09:09<phx_wk>stew: I put it in /etc, that's ok now, thx a lot
09:09<on>Are there any solution while upgrading version, not to answer questions that we are asked ? (something equivalent to -y for fsck) ?
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09:12<tamtam>hey :) i need some minor help with kde.
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09:13<tamtam>how can i make the background for the text under the desktop symbols transparent?
09:13<tamtam>i clicked myself stupid -- but found nothing
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09:20<kaktuskatta>themill: I
09:20<kaktuskatta>sudo: ifconfig: command not found
09:20<kaktuskatta>Why do I get this one?
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09:22<Rajohan>if i write is internaltimer 10 1 function will it then run every 10ms or evry 10 secound?
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09:23<Metalqga>dont use :
09:24<petemc>kaktuskatta: ifconfig isnt in your users path
09:24<petemc>as its in /sbin/
09:25<kaktuskatta>petemc: how do I fix that?
09:25<petemc>use the full path
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09:26<petemc>or change the PATH variable
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09:29<fabministrator>Hey how to configure alsa when downloaded?
09:29<stew>fabministrator: alsaconf ; alsamixer
09:29<fabministrator>thank you
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09:34<kaktuskatta>petemc: Interface doesn't accept private ioctl...
09:34<kaktuskatta>set (8BE2): Invalid argument
09:34<kaktuskatta>Failed to bring up wlan0.
09:34<kaktuskatta>have you seen this one before?
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09:35<fabministrator>Hello, I tried alsaconf but it said: command ntot found. What packages am i missing?
09:36<witte>fabministrator: do you have alsa-utils
09:36<fabministrator>yup
09:36<witte>alsaconf is in /usr/sbin
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09:36<kaktuskatta>themill: Interface doesn't accept private ioctl...
09:36<kaktuskatta>set (8BE2): Invalid argument
09:36<kaktuskatta>Failed to bring up wlan0.
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09:38<jamesuk>I'm trying to upgrade from sarge to etch on a kuro box, dist-upgrade gives the following error. What does this mean, can any one help me?
09:38<jamesuk>E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option.
09:38<jamesuk>E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs
09:38<petemc>!force loopbreak
09:38<dpkg>'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. if you are getting this message about e2fsproogs, ask me about <e2fsprogs loop>
09:38<fabministrator>I don't have alsaconf in my /usr/sbin :S
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09:40<witte>fabministrator: can you do " dpkg -l|grep alsa-utils"
09:41<fabministrator>I'll try
09:41<fabministrator>nvm got it
09:41<fabministrator>dI isntalled alsa-tools
09:41<fabministrator>i didnt do alsa-utils xD
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09:43<jamesuk>dpgk - thanks for the advice, I believe its only a e2fsproogs problem. Some where is said this could break my system. What's that all about?
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09:48<kaktuskatta>themill: Did you experience this problem?
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09:51<aricz>byebye ubuntu, hello debian .. ahhh :)
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09:55<dino>i have a question about samba: if someone creates a file on an open shared folder its always owned by nobody - is it possible to set another user?
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09:58<fabministrator>hey
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09:58<fabministrator>Where can I edit my sources.apt file and where can i find the sources i can add. I cant make a connection to security.,debian.org so thats why i ask
09:59<petemc> /etc/apt/
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09:59<monra>hello
10:00<fabministrator>Ok where can i Find the correct lines to add?
10:00<monra>I do apt-get update but at the end i get: W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
10:00<monra>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones use d instead.
10:00<Metalqga>!sources.list
10:00<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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10:00<monra>any ideas how can i fix this?
10:02<monra>dpkg, i got sarge
10:02<fabministrator>I have that security but the percentagre stays on 0%
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10:03<fabministrator>are the servers done?
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10:03<goatmale>Hello.
10:03<goatmale>How can I change my keyboard layout in debian?
10:04<streuner>!keymap
10:04<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once)
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10:04<jamesuk>after running "apt-get -f install" I get the following errors, any ideas?
10:04<jamesuk>Preconfiguring packages ...
10:04<jamesuk>dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.
10:04<jamesuk>dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH.
10:04<jamesuk>NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.
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10:05<witte>monra: dpkg is a bot, and sarge is oldstable
10:05<monra>witte, i know sarge is old but that's what i use
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10:06<witte>monra: maybe one of your repositories does not have sarge any more...
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10:06<monra>I just wanna make my Debian 3.1 LAMP
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10:08<stew>monra: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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10:08<witte>monra: the error says that he cannot find all the repositories in your sources.list, but normally this is not a real problem, as long as he can find one
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10:09<monra>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
10:09<monra>B5D0C804ADB11277
10:09<monra>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
10:09<monra>B5D0C804ADB11277
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10:09<monra>hey
10:09<staj>hi
10:09<monra>stew ?
10:09<goatmale>yes please.
10:09<stew>monra: sounds like you aren't running sarge anymore
10:09<monra>heh?
10:10<streuner>monra: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
10:10<stew>monra: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
10:10<stew>monra: (please don't paste in the channel)
10:10<monra>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
10:10<streuner>!info libc6 sarge
10:10<qbit>heh
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10:10<monra>so i got sarge?
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10:11<dpkg>libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB
10:11<stew>monra: you are running an older version of etch from sometime before it became stable
10:11<monra>anyway
10:11<stew>monra: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
10:11<stew>monra: you need to finish upgradeing to etch
10:11<jamesuk>i've just been kicked by a bot, what does that mean?
10:12<witte>!paste
10:12<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
10:12<monra>ok
10:12<monra>anyway
10:12<streuner>jamesuk: only paste 2 lines here, everything more than 3 lines is flooding
10:12<monra>i want to do this now: apt-get install apache2 php4 libapache2-mod-php4 mysql-server
10:12<jamesuk>are OK, thanks. i.e. keep messages short.
10:12<stew>monra: finish upgrading to etch first
10:13<monra>stew, isn't possible to do it now?
10:13<stew>monra: it is
10:13<aricz>hallo, anyone remember which package to fetch to get mouse-support in virtual console ?
10:13<monra>could you help me?
10:13<stew>monra: sure
10:13<stew>monra: what exactly do you need help with?
10:13<monra>i want to make my pc a LAMP
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10:13<craigevil>aricz: gpm - General Purpose Mouse Interface'
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10:13<monra>so that i can host files that would be able someone to see on ne
10:14<monra>net*
10:14<jamesuk>after running "apt-get -f install" I get some errors; dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. what should I do?
10:14<stew>monra: and what exactly do you need help with?
10:14<aricz>craigevil : ah, thank you
10:14<monra>i tried the command i gave before and got error
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10:14<streuner>jamesuk: paste the output to pasterbot, running apt-get -f install
10:14<stew>monra: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
10:14<jamesuk>streuner: sorry, how do I paste that?
10:15<stew>monra: i saw a warning about missing public keys
10:15<monra>1 min
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10:15<streuner>jamesuk: http://paste.debian.net
10:16<monra>stew, here you are: http://pastebin.com/m57269ffc
10:16<jamesuk>streuner: done, pasted.
10:16<streuner>jamesuk: we need the URL
10:17<jamesuk>streuner: http://paste.debian.net/33073
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10:17<stew>monra: you are trying to mix sarge, etch, and lenny, (oldstable, stable, and testing). mixing multiple releases is neither recommended, nor supported. i recommend that you try to move your box to etch, which will require removing the bits from lenny aka testing, and then following the upgrade procedure for sarge->etch : /msg dpkg sarge->etch
10:18<streuner>jamesuk: fine, show us your sources.list as well
10:18<monra>stew, isn't possible to do anthing now?
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10:19<stew>monra: sure there is. i can see from there that php4 is from lenny, i recommend removing this, then editing your sources.list so that it doesn't point to stable, testing, etch, or lenny, and point it to sarge, then follow the upgrade procedure for sarge->etch
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10:20<monra>ok, how can i do it point to sarge?
10:20<stew>monra: man sources.list ; sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list
10:20<jamesuk>streuner: http://paste.debian.net/33074
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10:21<streuner>jamesuk: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
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10:22<jamesuk>streuner: "ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries"
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10:23<streuner>jamesuk: i cannot see an error in sources.list and libc6 is also fine; how did you manage to break dpkg?
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10:24<streuner>!find update-rc.d
10:25<jamesuk>streuner: I've got a http://www.kurobox.com/mwiki/index.php/Kurobox/Kurobox-HG_Main_Page, tried to dist-upgrade sarge->etch, problems with e2fsprogs
10:25<dpkg>Debian Search of 'update-rc.d' (5): (/usr/sbin/update-rc.d-insserv) in misc/insserv ;; (/usr/share/sysvinit/update-rc.d) in admin/sysvinit ;; (/usr/sbin/update-rc.d) in admin/file-rc,admin/sysv-rc ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.4/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.4-dev-0/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh-beta.
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10:25<jamesuk>streuner: I was told here, today. that I should force apt-get LOOP some thing or another, I'll check what it was
10:26<streuner>jamesuk: ls -l /usr/sbin/update-rc.d
10:26<jamesuk>streuner: "apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade"
10:26<stew>jamesuk: no you should not have to do that, what are you trying to do?
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10:26<stew>jamesuk: what package is causing you to LoopBreak? e2fsprogs?
10:27<streuner>http://paste.debian.net/33073
10:27<jamesuk>struner: "ls: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d: No such file or directory"
10:27<stew>jamesuk: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop
10:27<stew>jamesuk: is the sysv-rc package installed?
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10:27<streuner>jamesuk: ok, just install that by hand
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10:27<jamesuk>stew: no idea
10:27<streuner>knusper:/# dpkg -S /usr/sbin/update-rc.d
10:27<streuner>sysv-rc: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d
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10:28<jamesuk>streuner: install what
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10:28<streuner>jamesuk: dpkg -l sysv-rc
10:28<stew>jamesuk: what gets returned when you run: aptitude search '~E!~i'
10:28<jamesuk>streuner: No packages found matching sysv-rc
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10:28<streuner>hm
10:28<stew>jamesuk: is file-rc installed?
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10:29<jamesuk>streuner: aptitude not installed
10:29<streuner>jamesuk: via pdo
10:29<streuner>just download the package and install update-rc.d
10:30<streuner>the package system MUST work, otherwise you are fucked
10:30<jamesuk>streuner: where do I get update-rc.d from?
10:30<jamesuk>stew: file-rc seems to be installed
10:31<streuner>hm
10:31<streuner>http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fs%2Fsysvinit%2Fsysv-rc_2.86.ds1-38_all.deb&md5sum=ca331c39e2c76117896a43f01932b6a1&arch=all&type=main
10:31<stew>jamesuk: then you should have /usr/sbin/update-rc.d ; are you sure it doesn't exist?
10:32<stew>jamesuk: what version of file-rc is installed?
10:32<jamesuk>stew: how do you get the package version?
10:32<stew>jamesuk: "apt-cache policy packagename" will tell you under "Installed"
10:33<stew>jamesuk: also please check if sysvinit is installed
10:33<jamesuk>streuner: you want me to install that package then? dpkg -i xxx.deb ??
10:33<streuner>yes, try that
10:33<stew>streuner: why?
10:34<jamesuk>stew: file-rc not installed.
10:34<streuner>if you want help him, just do that, but dont start a convo about
10:35<stew>streuner: well he was saying that he running file-rc, and it seems he is not on etch yet, so i would question instlling etch sysv-rc to replace pre-etch file-rc
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10:35<stew>but if he isnt' running file-rc, i dunno
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10:36<streuner>stew: sources.list and libc6 _are_ etch
10:36<stew>streuner: yes
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10:37<jamesuk>streuner: what you want me to do then?
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10:37<stew>streuner: but if he was running etch or sarge, he wouldn't have had to force-loopbreak for e2fsprogs
10:38<streuner>jamesuk: we told you
10:38<streuner>(you need update-rc.d)
10:38<jamesuk>stew: the debian install came from here http://www.kurobox.com/mwiki/index.php/Debian_install not a standard debian install
10:39<Skyrail>Are there any torrents for the minimal/network install?
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10:39<jamesuk>streuner: tried installing, error: "NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin."
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10:40<gsimmons>Skyrail: Yes. You'd want to visit <http://www.us.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/>.
10:40<streuner>Skyrail: do you want seed those?
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10:40<streuner>Skyrail: if not, just download them via http
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10:40<streuner>jamesuk: ok, now its get *dirty* ;-)
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10:41<jamesuk>streuner: great
10:41<streuner>jamesuk: use "ar x foo.deb" and copy them into the folders
10:41<s-andy>hi! does anyone know if fromif option in tc works?
10:41<stew>jamesuk: show us the full output from trying to install sysv-rc
10:41<stew>jamesuk: (use a pastebin)
10:41<Skyrail>I only want the minimal install not the full blown 21 discs or whatever but even though it's only 180mb or so it'd be a pain if my connection cut out...or something also it'd be nice to seed to aid the community :D
10:42<jamesuk>strew: http://paste.debian.net/33076
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10:42<streuner>s/them/minimal network iso/ ;-)
10:43<stew>jamesuk: "dpkg -x sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-38_all.deb /" then try again
10:43<kaktuskatta>I've tried following the link on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=85692&sid=afaad0502015f72ca0bf90af2512528a#85692, but I get an errormessage as I type sudo ifup wlan0
10:43<kaktuskatta>the errormessage is: "Interface doesn't accept private ioctl..."
10:44<jamesuk>stew: that work.
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10:44<stew>jamesuk: is sysvinit installed?
10:45<kaktuskatta>So if anyone can tell me what this means and what I have to do, I would be pleased:)
10:45<stew>jamesuk: id recommend installing aptitude, then using it to make sure you have all of the "essential" packages installed with: aptitude install '~E!~i'
10:45<jamesuk>stew: sysvinit not installed
10:46<Skyrail>Are either KDE or Gnome included on the netinstall?
10:46<streuner>none
10:46<stew>jamesuk: try apt-get -f install sysvinit e2fsprogs aptitude
10:46<jamesuk>I was planning to install aptitude, but I can't because of these issues.
10:46<stew>streuner: the netinstall is only the packages for a base system
10:46<streuner>Skyrail: as the name says itselfs, its a basic netinstall, no need for extra packages
10:46<stew>jamesuk: try to install it now, and show us the output
10:47<Skyrail>streuner: ah ok :) just the basics, haha makes sense, thanks
10:47<jamesuk>stew: http://paste.debian.net/33077
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10:48<streuner>hehe *cough*
10:48<streuner>just remove those packages and reinstall them again
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10:50<streuner>(NOT ANY essential package)
10:51<streuner>What a mess
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10:51<jamesuk>streuner: was, that to me? Remove those packages?
10:52<streuner>yes
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10:52<jamesuk>streunder: thanks, I'll give it a go now.
10:52<streuner>good luck
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10:57<streuner>someday i need to create an aptitude-smite command ;-)
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10:58<jamesuk>streunder: seems to be working. It's installing a lot of stuff
10:58<streuner>!congratulate jamesuk
10:58<dpkg>Nice one jamesuk, you did it!
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11:01<streuner>kaktuskatta: try #wireless at FN (irc.freenode.net)
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11:06<ranix>hey guys, where are the default desktop backgrounds that come with an install located?
11:06<ranix>I looked in usr/share/desktop-base and don't see em, so I got confused
11:06<ranix>also aren't in usr/share/pixmaps
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11:08<ranix>ah nevermind, I just found them
11:08<ranix>usr/share/images/desktop-base
11:08<ranix>thanks anyhow
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11:09<kam87>Hello this may seem like a silly wuestion but i have a script placed in /etc/init.d/ that i can run by typing /etc/init.d/foo start and it works and all but it wont run on bootup. is there any way to "add" it to the list if things that get run during bootup
11:09<kam87>oops
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11:10<kam87>client ate my message
11:10<ranix>you want to check out /etc/rcS.d
11:10<kam87>ah thanx
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11:10<witte>kam87: it has to be in a /etc/rc.. directory
11:10<ranix>it runs scripts that start with S##foo, where # is a digit and foo is a string
11:10<witte>kam87: look at update-rc.d
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11:11<kam87>thanx
11:11<witte>kam87: and its manual ;-)
11:13<|dennis|>Question: As per bug 418344, the problem of CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_CACHED being set to y has been taken care of and the bug has been closed, how ever i have updated many of my systems and still find that option is enabled in etch with now kernel version 2.6.18-4, is there any particular reason why?
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11:14<Skyrail>Can you burn multiple ISOs to disc and be able to boot off any of them? It's just that the netinstall is only 150 or so mb's :/
11:14<streuner>CD-RW are helpful for these things...
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11:15<marcdon>hi
11:15<Skyrail>lol, yet another fair point, I dismissed CD-RWs after having problems with them in the past whilst trying to get ISOs to work :)
11:16<kam87>i remember i had a drive that only liked pressed disks. drove me nuts untill i finally stuck a pressed install disk into it.
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11:20<goatmale>Is there a command line program that can do ftp?
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11:22<goatmale>is there a command line program that gmhthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhb
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11:23<ranix>uh
11:24<ranix>goatmale: man ftp
11:24<prahal_>lftp
11:24<ranix>ftp
11:24<ranix>I hope you are a troll
11:25<twb>I am
11:25<twb>All ur billy goats are belong to me
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11:25<ranix>but not a big enough troll to ask if there is a command line client that can "do ftp"
11:25<ranix>I think you got outtrolled
11:26<twb>Asking dumb questions isn't trolling.
11:26<twb>Asking the SAME dumb question for five years is trolling.
11:26<grummund>Hi, any suggestions for a wiki package please? apt-cache search wiki throws up dozens... i'm looking for something to maintain a set of web bookmarks, and a few private scratch pages
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11:27<twb>grummund: what interface do you want? Local, or web browser, or both?
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11:28<grummund>twb: web browser, to be accessed from the internet but with a private login
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11:28<goatmale>i am sorry for my dumb questions
11:28<twb>Then you can reduce the list by filtering for dependencies on httpd or httpd-cgi
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11:29<twb>goatmale: don't worry about it.
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11:31<grummund>twb: i can do that with apt-cache?
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11:32<twb>I don't know. You can do it with aptitude thusly: aptitude search ~dwiki~Dhttpd
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11:35<jdhore>Hi, I'm running Lenny and i'm wondering, what's with all the upgrades to the C packages that conflict with a lot of m packages that end with -dev?
11:35<twb>Of course, that might not catch stuff written in e.g. php, which will instead depend on php[45]
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11:35<twb>jdhore: you mean libc?
11:36<jdhore>twb, libc, gcc, cpp and a few others
11:36<jdhore>(but i think mainly those 3)
11:36<twb>libc6 was upgraded to 2.6 in Sid a little while back. This might be entering Lenny now, I don't know.
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11:37<jdhore>It is slated for upgrade (it has been for a few days), but when i select it for upgrade in Synaptic, it tells me it's removing a lot of packages
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11:42<twb>Doesn't synaptic offer you a number of different ways to resolve conflicts?
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11:46<jdhore>twb, it doesn't seem to be...update-manager is letting me upgrade some packages (cpp, g++, gcc, libgsf, libstdc++), but the 10 or so others i can't upgrade
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11:56<salparadise>anyone know where to find a solid knoppix irc channel?
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11:56<zyre>hola
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11:58[~]fxiny burps . sounds_of_nature.mp3
11:58<twb>jdhore: if you use aptitude, it allows you to pick an automatic resolution, or to manually resolve the conflict.
11:58<jdhore>twb, i found out the problem
11:58<jdhore>it was because of not having linux-libc-dev
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12:03<bykar>everyday i update debian-sid with dselect the new packages are shown on top. Where ist this information? I want to see this in apt-get, not dselect, anybody knows?
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12:13<twb>bykar: aptitude search ~N
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12:27<fractus>Helo people
12:27<Kalessin>hello
12:28<fractus>to the Core Duo processors is te IA64 ???
12:28<Kalessin>http://www.mousur.org/pastebin/index.php?show=38 < If somebody have an idea about this 2 problems you are welcome =)
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12:31<DTE>fractus: as far as i know the core duo no
12:31<DTE>the core 2 duo maybe
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12:32<quasisane>the core duo, core 2 duo, etc. are not IA64
12:32<quasisane>IA64 = Itanium
12:32<DTE>ah yes...sorry i was meaning x86_64
12:32<quasisane>ah
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12:33<quasisane>yeah, either i386 or AMD64 will work on the core duo family
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12:33<DTE>the core 2 duo
12:33<DTE>but not the core duo
12:33<quasisane>ah
12:33<fractus>humm un seg
12:34<DTE>for the core duo i'm sure cause i own one ;-)
12:34[~]quasisane makes a note
12:34<quasisane>:)
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12:35<DTE>for the core 2 duo i'm just waiting a macbook pro
12:35<fractus>mi boss confirm that is a 64 bit processor
12:36<ranix>anyone know how I can run supertux windowed?
12:36<DTE>right...anyone have installed debian on a mac notebook?
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12:36<fractus>DTE: is a core 2 duo 64bit
12:37<DTE>but the other hardware?
12:37<fractus>DTE: whats the correct iso to it?? http://debian.pop-sc.rnp.br/mirror/debian-cd/current/ia64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS
12:37<DTE>wireless and other things?
12:37<bzed>!ia64
12:37<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64
12:37<DTE>fractus: you need x86_64 not IA64 (as quasisane said)
12:38<bzed>fractus: amd64 is what you're looking for.
12:39<bzed>fractus: if you prefer a 32bit evironment, you could install i386, too. or install i386 and a 64bit kernel.
12:39<fractus>:S
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12:40<fractus>IA64 is for that processors?
12:40<DTE>for the itanium processor
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12:41<fractus>DTE: ok its clear now
12:41<DTE>uhm...is possibile to say to lvs how to balance the connection to a cluster?
12:42<fractus>conclusion.. IA64 is for the lastest 64bit gamma processor of Intel
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12:47[~]fractus http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/IA64
12:47[~]fractus http://wikipedia.org/wiki/IA64
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12:59<twb>fractus: not all 64-bit Intel chips are IA64. Many are AMD64.
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13:00<Debian>is there any way to restore a MBR if I wiped the partition containing it and I have no backup floppy?
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13:00<fractus>twb: well.. to the Core 2 Duo whats the correct ISO?
13:00<twb>I don't know.
13:00<lontra>bathat: use a livecd to reinstall grub
13:00<twb>I'm not sure it's even 64-bit.
13:00<patricio>I am running 2.6.18-4-686 and I have a website for my real estate biz....I changed hosts the other day and for some reason when I load the site it shows me the old site, not the new one, and I have contacted my service provider and they can see the new site. Shouldn't I be able to view the site as I and the provider are using the same DNS? My question is, how do I update or clear the cache on my debian side to view the correct site?
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13:01<DTE>fractus: the core 2 duo should run amd64 but on a xeon i got some problem with amd64
13:01<DTE>so i switched to i386
13:01<bathat>lontra: yes, with grub-install, right?
13:01<Supaplex>patricio: cache is most usually your browser
13:01<fxiny>bathat: apt-cache show gpart
13:02<bathat>gparted?
13:02<fxiny>gpart
13:02<bathat>the problem is that nothing seems to be able to detect my hdd
13:02<bathat>when i do: fdisk -l, only my secondary drive shows up
13:02<patricio>Supaplex: I agree, but for some strange reason it is still pointing to the old DNS.....I do a whois and it is correct, I have given it time to propagate throughout the internet......any suggestions?
13:02<bathat>even though the only partition i wiped was /dev/sda1
13:03<DTE>patricio: dig yourdomain.com what it say?
13:03<twb>bathat: is it listed in /proc/partitions?
13:03<fractus>DTE: amd64 = x86-64 hummm but if not work on mi Core 2 Duo I will to install with a i386 iso?
13:04<DTE>fractus: yes...but it should work with amd64
13:04<patricio>DTE: one moment please
13:04<bathat>twb, not sure
13:04<Supaplex>patricio: if it's dns, you can either use your own /etc/hosts to overcome update delays, or clever use of http_proxy="http://new.ip.ip.ip/" GET http://www.example.com/ | less
13:04<twb>x86-64 is the politically correct way to refer to AMD64; i.e. it tries to hide the embarrasing fact (for intel) that they're using a different manufacturer's design
13:04<fxiny>bathat: let gpart guess , remember to mount it read only
13:04<twb>bathat: maybe you should check
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13:05<fractus>DTE: ok man.. thanks.. I'll try with a amd64 first
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13:05<twb>Supaplex: heh, I got very confused yesterday using netcat on an httpd -- after I closed netcat GET still worked. WTF?, I thinks.
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13:05<tuzhila>i have amd65 and i installed debian etch on my computer, why i've got smp kernel?
13:05<twb>Little did I realize GET(1) was a command. Bizarro!
13:05<patricio>DTE: doin a 'dig' shows me the old DNS
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13:06<twb>tuzhila: there's no need for separate UMP and SMP kernels for the amd64 arch.
13:06<bathat>the debian cd is not considered a live cd, right? the only function it has is to install debian?
13:06<DTE>patricio: probably then your dns stil have to update
13:06<tuzhila>twb, why?
13:06<patricio>Supaplex: yeah
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13:06<bathat>i tried the 'rescue' command, but it just went on to install
13:06<twb>tuzhila: that's what the UMP dummy packages say
13:06<delire>tuzhila: x86-65? impressive!
13:06<DTE>sometimes you have to wait till 2-3 days
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13:06<patricio>DTE: the service provider I have can view the 'new site' with no problem.....
13:07<delire>65 bit computing "Sometimes you just need that little bit extra"
13:07<DTE>patricio: try to do dig @someotherdnsserver yourdomain.dot
13:07<tuzhila>i don't understand
13:07<delire>20:05 < tuzhila> i have amd65 and i installed debian etch on my computer,
13:07<twb>delire: there have been stranger word lengths in the past
13:07<patricio>DTE: one moment please
13:07[~]delire nods
13:08<twb>!google Burroughs machine
13:08<tuzhila>oh, no, amd64
13:08<tuzhila>)))
13:08<delire>;)
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13:08<fxiny>just 64 ? ask for refund :P
13:08<tuzhila>refund
13:09<tuzhila>you jerks))
13:09<delire>hehe
13:09<Supaplex>twb: GET is a symlink/alias to lwp-agent. I decides default behavior based on $0 (arg0)
13:09<patricio>DTE: old DNS
13:09<DTE>does somebody knows these error? postfix/smtpd[6500]: warning: 192.168.30.122: address not listed for hostname cluster-1.zephyros.net
13:09<twb>Supaplex: yeah, I know that *now*
13:09<patricio>Could the problem be within my own LAN?
13:09<twb>I was solidly confused at the tim
13:09<twb>*e
13:09<DTE>patricio: then the dns' are stil with the old ips
13:09<delire>DTE the hostname is not resolving to that IP?
13:09<ranix>Burroughs machine?
13:09<ranix>William S?
13:10<DTE>delire: no...and it shouldn't
13:10<delire>DTE: i see ;)
13:10<twb>ranix: the net is vast and infinite. Ask it.
13:10<Supaplex>twb: haha. cool.
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13:10<pc300>I have been tortured by mason for my whole life
13:10<ranix>I like my Burroughs better than your Burroughs
13:10<pc300>tranquilizers
13:10<patricio>DTE: I fully understand that scenario.....but the confusing part is that the provider that I have is on the same DNS as me.......they can see the new site.....I can't
13:10<ranix>he farts ambrosia, you know
13:10<ranix>and confounds the Louvre
13:10<DTE>patricio: sometimes happen to me too...
13:10<twb>As do we all
13:10<patricio>very frustrating
13:10<Supaplex>patricio: you could use /etc/resolv.conf to ask the nameservers that know
13:11<DTE>when the provider uses some other dns as primary dns
13:11<Supaplex>personally I stage my sites, and use dnsmasq for dns.
13:11<DTE>and the customers use some other dns
13:11<patricio>Supaplex: tried that already
13:11<patricio>hhhmmmm
13:11<bathat>i should also mention that the initial error i received was 'GRUB error 5'
13:11<DTE>delire: i don't understand why postfix should thing the opposite
13:11<gihad>is there a debian help channel ?
13:12<bathat>so there is something wrong with the partition table
13:12<patricio>BINGO
13:12<twb>gihad: yes, in Venice
13:12<twb>There are gondolas on it
13:12<patricio>did a whois on my provider and there are 2 DNS entries that are different
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13:13<gihad>twb: Sorry, I didn't get that joke
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13:14<twb>"channel" is "canal" in a bunch of romance languages
13:14<patricio>brb guys......gonna try this......
13:14<bebert>hi
13:14<gihad>twb: including my native language, portuguese.
13:15<patricio>hhhmmm
13:15<patricio>did not work
13:16<delire>DTE: i don't know either. i don't use postfix (though i'd like to)
13:16<gihad>"(Quit: Software is like sex: it's better when it's free !) " - Is that free as in "free speach" or as in "free bear" ?
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13:16<patricio>brb guys
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13:16<gihad>I mean, beer*
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13:16<DTE>delire: i'm trying now to change something...probably it's because a lvs system
13:16<delire>gihad: you have a whole lifetime to get it right.
13:17<gihad>delire: hahah, ok
13:19<DTE>nothing...i try to reboot everything
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13:20<delire>DTE: #postfix?
13:20<DTE>is there a channel?
13:20[~]fractus se ya people. thanks
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13:21<gihad>I need help please, Is there a way around the problem with building fglrx drivers on lenny(For ATI Radeon 3d acceleration), other than recompiling the kernel ?
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13:22<pc300>I have slept over 30hrs in the last 48 hrs
13:23<gihad>pc300: Are you sick ?
13:23<pc300>I moved out from my step parents house into a rooming house, and they were all masons and they did the same thing
13:23<pc300>I am being tortured by masons
13:23<fxiny>what lodge ?
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13:24<DTE>see you
13:24<twb>fxiny: aren't we all?
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13:24<fxiny>twb: i belong to the L.WALL lodge , not 33 degrees tough :)
13:25<pc300>pakistani lodge I guess
13:25<twb>Masons are just momma's boys
13:25<bathat>twb, /proc/partitions only shows sda and sda1, both the same size
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13:25<pc300>they are evil
13:25<fxiny>chapati and curries ? no tx !
13:25<twb>All the rich kids muscling out the actual masons that started it
13:26<twb>Not cool.
13:26<pc300>they are beggers
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13:26<fxiny>pc300: do they drink that disgusting tea ?
13:26<delire>aren't the masons really just a old-boys club extrapolated into myth in order to help sell novels to people that need conversation material for awkward dinner parties?
13:26<delire>(i may be wrong.. but Umberto Eco does come to mind)
13:26<ranix>hey all, my Xterms used to be nice and black. I added a .Xdefaults file in my home directory and did xrdb ~/.Xdefaults and now my consoles are all white. What file used to control this behaviour? I'd like to find it and take a look at it
13:27<twb>delire: they're essentially a REALLY OLD analogue of trade secrets liscensors
13:27<pc300>they are sons of the devil
13:27<delire>twb: ahah, a Patent Brotherhood. i new it.
13:27<twb>ranix: you didn't use -merge
13:27<delire>*knew
13:27<fxiny>twb: i believe you belong to a lisp lodge ;)
13:27<twb>I do not.
13:28<fxiny>strange
13:28<bathat>fxiny, gpart just says 'begin scan' and just sits there
13:28<ranix>twb: how can I undo what I have done
13:28<delire>ranix: repent.
13:28<twb>ranix: kill X and log in again?
13:28<fxiny>bathat: let gpart scanning then
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13:28<ranix>hm ok
13:28<fxiny>who was the lisp marauder if not you ?
13:29<pc300>I think everyone who has a job is mason in Canada
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13:29<fxiny>i'd love to be a lisp addict , but unfortunately i am not
13:29<twb>pc300: OH&S requires it?
13:29<pc300>Well, all immigrants are masons
13:29<delire>fxiny: 'Lisp Marauder': someone that takes advantage of people's speech impediments?
13:29<twb>fxiny: what's stopping you?
13:29<pc300>what is OH&S?
13:30<bathat>if the only thing I wiped was the MBR partition, why is the hdd not detected at all?
13:30<delire>pc300: we're all immigrants
13:30<twb>occupational health and safety
13:30<patricio>ok: with my issue I did find that my provider actually uses 4 DNS entries.....the 2 extra ones I found were not given to me by the provider.....so I made those changes and I still get the old site.......does anyone have any ideas?
13:30<twb>delire: there are canadian aborigines
13:30<fxiny>delire: speach&dialects are lisp parents
13:30<delire>twb: they're immigrants too
13:30<delire>fxiny: hehe
13:30<twb>naturalized
13:30<fxiny>twb: are you inviting me to your lodge ? ;)
13:30<delire>a horrible word isn't it..
13:31<twb>Plonk
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13:32<ranix>OK, another question. How do I use the Windows key to do stuff? I want it to expand a yeahconsole. I currently have yeahconsole*togglekey:ControlAlt+y
13:32<ranix>how would I change that to function on the windows key
13:32<delire>ranix: look at .xmodmap perhaps?
13:32<fxiny>style is the property of perl and python . lisp has no style
13:32<ranix>thanks delire
13:32<pc300>so how can you escape mason persecution
13:32<pc300>I tried to run away to Pakistan but they picked me up from the airport
13:32<delire>ranix: that should make it active. then expose it to your window manager for functional use.
13:33<delire>pc300: the Americans?
13:33<patricio>I fully understand the issue with waiting for the dns changes to propagate throughout the internet, but it is confusing that my provider can see my new site, but I am not able too. I am currently using a dual boot sys and am having no luck in either Winderz or debian......
13:33<pc300>pakistani masons
13:33<delire>oh
13:33<pc300>well, they are really just Jews
13:33<delire>New Yorkers?
13:33<pc300>Pakistan is a Jewish country
13:34<delire>i see.
13:34<pc300>It was fun though, they took me around
13:34<fxiny>politics sucks
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13:34<pc300>I guess you get used to it. I have been a slave of Pakistani Jews all my life
13:35<delire>pc300: why are you talking about this here?
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13:35<pc300>I have been getting drugged since childhood
13:35<pc300>I don't know where to turn
13:35<delire>pc300: blogging?
13:35<delire>pc300: http://blogger.com
13:35<qbit>debian?
13:35<pc300>I thought debian was about freedom
13:35<qbit>;)
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13:36<delire>pc300: but you don't have much of that.
13:36|-|mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
13:36|-|mode/#debian [+q *!*@d141-189-121.home.cgocable.net] by stew
13:36|-|mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
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13:37<gihad>Is there a way around the problem with building fglrx drivers on lenny(For ATI Radeon 3d acceleration), other than recompiling the kernel ?
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13:38<delire>gihad: have you asked in #ati? that's also a good place to ask. the fglrx drivers are troublesome from version to version.
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13:38<gihad>ok, thanks for the advice.
13:38<delire>gihad: have you tried the ati-installer-script?
13:38<marcstun>hi
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13:39<delire>gihad: that's what i do in the event ot everything else failing.
13:39<delire>s/ot/of
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13:41<gihad>delire: No, but there is an specific problem with lenny and the fglrx, it's a problem that most people are having.
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13:41<marcstun>how can I make a debdiff between 2 package only for debian changes?
13:41<marcstun>*packages
13:41<delire>gihad: right. you may just have to wait. this is common with ATI on Linux.
13:41<gihad>I heard that the problem will be solved when the kernel 2.6.22 comes out for lenny, any idea on when will that be ?
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13:48<the_bull>hey, all
13:48<the_bull>do nyone know how to *copy* in xterm?
13:48<the_bull>i used ctrl+shift+v in gnome-terminal
13:48<the_bull>but how about xterm?
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13:49<the_bull>hey, what is the copy command in xterm?
13:50<the_bull>i want to paste the copied text into xterm
13:50<suiside>the_bull: just mark it, and paste with middle mouse click
13:50<stew>the_bull: i don't believe there is a way by default, you cal only select
13:50<stew>the_bull: you can enable copy via resources
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13:51<the_bull>suiside, thnx
13:51<the_bull>it`s working
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13:52<stew>the_bull: just note that selecting doesn't copy anything into the clipboard the way gnome-terminal does, so you might find inconsistencies with other apps
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13:55<Skyrail>If a CD-RW has data on it already and I put an ISO onto it will I still be able to boot from it even if it has random junk on it?
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13:56<fxiny>Skyrail: do you have a floppy drive ?
13:57<Skyrail>fxiny: no, why?
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13:59<fxiny>Skyrail: so you cannot do a hard drive install booting the iso with grub
14:00<Skyrail>I'm doing a debian network install, I'm putting it onto a CD-RW and just going to set the motherboard to boot from disc to install it...
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14:03<fxiny>Skyrail: why don't you get a gnome/kde/xfce4 cd then ?
14:03<fxiny>just one
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14:05<Skyrail>I don't understand what your trying to get at here, all I want to do is install Debian afresh onto this system using the smallest download possible straight off which was the single net-install as opposed to the 21 discs, I don't need anything fancy, I just pop the CD and away I go I presume (I've installed various distros before off CD-Rs) I just want to know whether I can install off a disc which has other data on it besides the Debian package...
14:06<fxiny>if you burn the iso to boot from the cd your data will be lost
14:06<fxiny>so i was trying to see if your hardware allow you to boot from grub as to avoid burning
14:07<fxiny>you should know : burning a bootable iso overwrite youd data
14:08<Skyrail>Thankyou, that was the answer I was looking for, that means I'll have to copy the data off the CD then :)
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14:10<Skyrail>I have a linux distro installed already onto the PC and so surely that has the grub boot loader fxiny
14:11<fxiny>Skyrail: so you are ok . see debian official docs for "harwdare install" . check instrucitions about setting grub to boot your iso . do not burn anything :)
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14:11<Skyrail>fxiny: ok I'll see what I can dig up :)
14:12<fxiny>Skyrail: is very easy . just read how to edit grub menu
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14:15<oem>alguien habla español
14:16<oem>somebody speaks spanish?
14:16<stew>!es
14:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:16<oem>thank you
14:17<oem>gracias
14:17<emonge>oem, /join #debian-es
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14:22<N`Kr1pt>Hi, I have a simple question regarding a bash script. I want to split everything under /data in tarballs of 500GB. Any idea on how to do this?
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14:25<kaktuskatta>I've tried to get help on #wireless, but no response. I have problems with my wireless network. I've installed the drivers but can't get the interface up and running. What to do?
14:25<kaktuskatta>I've tried following the link on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=85692&sid=afaad0502015f72ca0bf90af2512528a#85692, but I get an errormessage as I type sudo ifup wlan0
14:25<kaktuskatta>the errormessage is: "Interface doesn't accept private ioctl..."
14:26<arato>!java
14:26<dpkg>Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>.
14:26<fxiny>N`Kr1pt: 500GB ?
14:26<fxiny>split ?
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14:27<arato>how do i get the debhelper to msg me that?
14:27<stew>arato: /msg dpkg java
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14:27<arato>ooh that's it, thanks stew :)
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14:29<N`Kr1pt>fxiny, yes, /data is a LVM volume of 2 TB on RAID5, now we need to create some bacup on externam disks of 500GB. So I would like to create tarballs of 500G each of the 2TB volume and copy 1 tarball to 1 external disk as a backup
14:30<barbo>N`Kr1pt: use split
14:30<fxiny>N`Kr1pt: never done a 500G . see man split if i'm wrong : tar data.tar data | split -b 500G -
14:31<N`Kr1pt>OK, another solution could be to put the external disks in an LVM but if 1 disk dies, we are screwed
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14:32<fxiny>if you want a splitted tarball just pipe tar to split
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14:32<Skyrail>fxiny: I'm still trying to figure it out as it's asking me to download two files...of which I don't know where to look for, it says in the Debian Archives, but they're quite big heh
14:32<djuLoq>Yes I agree. Don't go LVM if you can't stand to loose the data
14:33<kaktuskatta>anyone here with wireless?
14:33<fxiny>or : dd if=/dev/hdxxx | gzip -c | split -b 2000m - /path/backup.img.gz
14:33<djuLoq>kaktuskatta; I've wireless
14:34<fxiny>Skyrail: yes . you need etch hd media : initrd.gz and vmlinuz . double check official debian manual for links
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14:35<Skyrail>fxiny: ok :/
14:35<Skyrail>thanks
14:35<kaktuskatta>djuLoq: http://pastebin.com/d25a4b7f7
14:35<fxiny>Skyrail: np
14:35<kaktuskatta>djuLoq: does this config look ok to you?
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14:36<fxiny>Skyrail: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/hd-media/
14:36<fxiny>something like that
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14:37<enry>help i have a lot of problems with my ipod
14:37<enry>i have to inizialize the database
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14:39<Skyrail>fxiny: haha thank you, saved me lots of time trying to scan the documents for the right link :/
14:40<fxiny>Skyrail: make sure i gave you the right url . i've just digged it from my hd :)
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14:40<Skyrail>fxiny: yes it has the two files :)
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14:42<gomorra2323>ciao
14:42<gomorra2323>!list
14:42<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gomorra2323
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14:48<amphi>haha
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14:48<nightwalker>hello
14:49<Guest835>Hello auch
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14:54<N`Kr1pt>fxiny, something comes to my mind. if I use tar data.tar data | split -b 500G - then I still cannot afford one of the disks dying, because I'll need all the tar parts to extract them right?
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14:58<Skyrail>netboot/debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz file and its corresponding kernel netboot/debian-installer/i386/linux. This will allow you to repartition the hard disk from which you boot the installer, although you should do so with care. <-- Even though I'm going to be using the net-inst I've already got a spare partition will I still have to download it?
14:59<Skyrail>Ah nevermind :)
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15:05<yos87>Hi, I have question, what is the best exif editor? gimp can edit exif metadata, But it's not easy and you cannot edit more the one pic in same time
15:07<N`Kr1pt>I always use a hex editor, but that's probably not what you're looking for
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15:07<Rajohan>http://pastebin.ca/628179 <-- someone know whats wrong+
15:08<yos87>N`Krlpt: yea, it's not, before, in windows, I use to select all, and click properties, it will edit all pic discription in same time, it's easer, But that discriptions I'm not able to see here, so I have to write another metadata, a way like gimp, and hex editor will not work
15:10<suiside>Rajohan: this is debian support, ask in a scripting related channel
15:11<suiside>you'll propably have more luck getting an answer
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15:11<yos87>when I edit the metadata in debian, I could see it in windows
15:12<yos87>http://gnomefiles.org/app.php/ExifTagger
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15:12<yos87>i found this program here, i install it , but it's not working, it seems very good in the screenshot
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15:14<N`Kr1pt>This application requires GTK+ version 2.6.x. Do you have it? What error does it produce when you try to execute it from the shell?
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15:15<bathat>is it possible to restore the MBR after its been wiped if i have no backup and the hdd isn't even detected?
15:15<bathat>i tried a scan with gpart and it just shows 4 partitions, all unused
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15:17<yos87>N`Krlpt: can you see this please http://pastebin.ca/628206
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15:19<stew>yos87: its a makefile, not a perlscript
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15:21<ifvoid>bathat_: what do you mean, the harddisk is not detected?
15:21<yos87>stew: the said like this on readme
15:21<ifvoid>yos87: no
15:21<ifvoid>yos87: it said perl Makefile.pl
15:21<bathat_>ifvoid, 'fdisk -l' output doesn't include the primary drive
15:21<ifvoid>and then run make
15:21<yos87>ifvoid: yes, I did l like this
15:22<ifvoid>bathat_: I'm not sure that means anything at all
15:22<N`Kr1pt>also, if you like to use a .deb package, you might give jBrout a try: http://jbrout.python-hosting.com/
15:22<ifvoid>yos87: debian:/home/yosef/dbtr/28/exiftagger-0.42# perl Makefile
15:22<yos87>ifvoid: ok, after make, then what to do?
15:22<bathat_>well, the initial grub error i received was 'error 5' which means the partition table is corrupt, basically
15:22<ifvoid>yos87: nothing
15:22<bathat_>and fdisk only shows my secondary drive
15:22<ifvoid>yos87: just make install
15:23<ifvoid>(as root)
15:23<bathat_>gpart scan displays 4 partitions, all unused
15:24<bathat_>this all started when i wiped /dev/sda1 thinking it was the device assigned to the usb stick
15:24<yos87>ifvoid: i did, when i try to run it , it say can't locate image size ......
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15:24<bathat_>and i assumed it was since the filesystem was W95 ext2
15:25<ifvoid>bathat_: /dev/sda1 doesn't have an MBR
15:25<yos87>ifvoid: it's not working, what to do ? do I have to download again?
15:25<ifvoid>and the partition table should have been altered aither
15:26<bathat_>do you think it's possible the active flag is set incorrectly?
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15:26<bathat_>that's what i figured
15:26<ifvoid>yos87: why not just use an appliction that is in debian already?
15:26<bathat_>i
15:26<ifvoid>bathat_: it's possible, but linux doesn' care about the active flag
15:26<bathat_>i've tried many live cd's and none of them are able to mount the drive
15:27<bathat_>i'm wondering why the filesystem was W95
15:27<ifvoid>and what do you mean by partitions that are "unused"?
15:27<ifvoid>like not mounted? or like no fs?
15:27<ifvoid>and what does fdisk say?
15:28<yos87>ifvoid: i tried to search on synaptic , i could'nt file one, can you tell me about one?
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15:29<bathat_>gpart just says 'type (unused)'
15:29<bathat_>and fdisk provides no partition information for the hdd containing the mbr
15:29<bathat_>only the secondary drive
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15:29<ifvoid>yos87: debian has lots of image viewers
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15:30<ifvoid>bathat_: seems your partition table was overwritten then
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15:30<bathat_>i don't know how that could have happened...
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15:31<ifvoid>yos87: feh, gthumbs, etc
15:31<yos87>ifvoid: I don't just want to view the images, I want to edit the exif metadata for many files in same time
15:32<bathat_>i only wiped /dev/sda1 and all the other partitions should have been left in place
15:32<ifvoid>oh, just use some command line utility then
15:32<ifvoid>exi2 or so
15:33<bathat_>so there is no way to backup important information on the drive...
15:34<yos87>ifvoid: it will not edit many file in same time
15:34<ifvoid>sure it will
15:34<ifvoid>for i in *.jpg; do exiv2 some option $i; done
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15:39<yos87>ifvoid: I install the windows exifer with wine, But when writting tags, it give error, it's not able to edit the file on the harddisk
15:40<aycko>hi i want to install a ftp daemon.
15:40<aycko>what daemon would u suggest me?
15:40<N`Kr1pt>aycko, I use pure-ftpd and am very positive about it
15:40<ifvoid>aycko: proftpd also seems to be fine
15:40<ifvoid>I've been using it in the past
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15:41<aycko>are they both ok securitywise?
15:41<ifvoid>aycko: should be, yes
15:41<N`Kr1pt>pure-ftpd is very secure
15:41<ifvoid>insofar as ftp can be secure to start with
15:41<N`Kr1pt>it's from the OpenBSD world and those guys are paranoid about ecurity ;)
15:41<aycko>ok thanks i will look into both ;)
15:41<aycko>hehe
15:42<N`Kr1pt>Pure-FTPd is actively supported, and it was always designed with security in mind, and the code is always re-audited as new kind of vulnerabilities are discussed.
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15:44<aycko>N`Kr1pt: thx the app looks very fine ;)
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16:09<df1amb>Hi I am trying to run a dvb-s card with a bt878 chipset but I cant access it .....
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16:10<df1amb>all modules are loaded ...
16:10<df1amb>what went worng?
16:11<df1amb>/dev/video0 is not created by udev
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16:22<tsai>#debian-desktop
16:23<tsai>oops!
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16:25<Villarroel>Hi!
16:27<Villarroel>!kde_trouble
16:27<dpkg>somebody said kde_trouble was Just upgraded KDE? konqueror won't work kopete won't work ? korganizer has no resources available? Please log out and back in. KDE doesn't like changing its libs underneath.
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16:30<aycko>how do i kill some listening daemon?
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16:30<aycko>i got something listening on port 21, but its in state fin_wait2 and i cannot find any corresponding app in ps
16:34<ifvoid>aycko: try netstat -anp
16:34<ifvoid>(as root)
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16:34<ifvoid>anyway, fin_wait is a state the port enters when the listening daemon closes it, iirc
16:37<eldowan>I mount various iso images(27 currently) to a specific folder depending on my use at the time. I know for a specific predefined mount I can add an entry in fstab with the user(s) option turned on. However, I need to be root|sudo to mount the iso images. What is the best way to go about allowing my specific useraccount uid=1001 to mount any iso to that directory, or any iso period without root|sudo credentials?
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16:40<ifvoid>eldowan: simply put an extra option "user" in the fstab
16:41<ifvoid>then also users will be allowed to mount them
16:42<ubuntu>user
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16:44<BlackFox>hi
16:44<ifvoid>hi
16:45<BlackFox>i have a little question on ubuntu
16:45<BlackFox>i want my lokal php server is working the problem is this:
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16:45<BlackFox>i dont get permissions to paste my files in the folder
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16:46<BlackFox>and when i want to watch my index.php it says that is not allowed to access that folder
16:46<lordram>hi!
16:46<BlackFox>how i can change this restrictions?
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16:47<BlackFox>i tried it with sudo chmod u=rwX www
16:47<BlackFox> but it wont work
16:47<eldowan>ifvoid: I'm not sure I understand. I can setup fstab to allow my(any) user account to mount any iso to a specific point?
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16:47<BlackFox>i dont get access to it
16:47<ifvoid>eldowan: yes
16:47<lordram>I have a problem with ati and sid... is this the right channel for ask?
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16:48<aycko>ifvoid: what does it mean if inetd listens to port 21?
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16:49<aycko>tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1963/inet
16:49<df1amb>lordram: that depends on your problem I think
16:49<ifvoid>aycko: inetd is the daemon that listens for connections, and starts daemons if a connection is detected
16:49<chealer_>BlackFox: this is #debian. #ubuntu is on freenode.
16:49<BlackFox>oh
16:49<BlackFox>srry then
16:49<aycko>ifvoid: so thats ok? because my ftpd tells me that port 21 is already in use
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16:50<lordram>dflamb, I can't compile the driver, the problem is the paravirt option, so I will try to recompile de kernel without that option
16:50<lordram>dflamb, but I don't know were the .config is... I don't wanna make all the configuration, I only need change that
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16:51<ifvoid>aycko: well
16:51<ifvoid>aycko: usually inetd starts the ftp daemon
16:52<ifvoid>Across: check out /etc/inetd.conf
16:52<ifvoid>woops
16:52<ifvoid>aycko:
16:52<ifvoid>aycko: you can disable the inetd there
16:53<df1amb>lordram: look in /boot for config-<your-kernel-version>
16:54<eldowan>ifvoid: I have the following as a line in my fstab: /home/user/iso/* /home/user/office iso9660 ro,loop,user 0 0 However I get this message when I try to mount a specific image: mount: can't find /home/user/iso/spl.iso in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
16:54<aycko>ifvoid: thx
16:54<lordram>df1amb, thanks :-)
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16:54<df1amb>lordram: copy the file to your compile directoy and name it .confg
16:54<ifvoid>eldowan: well, that's a pretty clear message, isn't it?
16:54<eldowan>I hate to be a bother ifvoid, but I've looked through the man page, and online, but I can't seem to find anything that will work for multiple iso's. Do you think you could lend a few finders and maybe a thumb?
16:54<df1amb>np
16:55<ifvoid>eldowan: make a separate lien for each iso
16:55<eldowan>ifvoid: sudo mount /home/user/iso/spl.iso office -o loop works correctly
16:55<eldowan>ifvoid: I was trying to avoid that if at all possible.
16:55<ifvoid>it's not
16:56<pumpkin0>i have hit a bug in etch's gcc (looks like http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=29329). If i install lennys gcc on etch ... will it blend ?
16:56<ifvoid>eldowan: you could also set up an automounter
16:56<eldowan>ifvoid: thats what I was expecting. Thanks anyway though.
16:56<ifvoid>that's much more flexible
16:56<eldowan>ifvoid: I'm not sure I follow the logic
16:57<eldowan>I was looking for automount in a search of the repos, but aptitude returned nothing. Am I missing something?
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16:58<ifvoid>eldowan: it's called autofs
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16:58<eldowan>ifvoid: thanks for the pointer
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17:00<chealer_>pumpkin0: if you install lenny's binary gcc packages on etch, an important part of your system will become lenny.
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17:01<eldowan>I guess an install with borderline personality disorder wouldn't be the highlight of many people's day?
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17:06<pumpkin0>chealer_: the other way would be installing an older squashfs-soucre package. Where can i find these ?
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17:06<_3yE_>hello. does anyone know how i enable hibernation by normal user through hal in sid?
17:06<_3yE_>dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Hal /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.Hibernate
17:06<_3yE_>works as root but does not as user because of permission problems-
17:06<_3yE_>gna, sid, not sid, probably doesn't matter.
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17:08<sssvi01>i need help about nvidia driver
17:09<sssvi01>it says: unable to build kernel module
17:09<Skyrail>streuner: was it you who helped me setup Debian to install off the HD?
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17:09<pumpkin0>sssvi01: did you download it from www.nvidia.com or did you install it via apt-get ?
17:10<sssvi01>download it from nvidia.com
17:10<streuner>Skyrail: surely not, i've never install from a HD...
17:10<streuner>rather stew
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17:10<Ganneff>!nvidia
17:10<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:11<Skyrail>streuner: ah, nevermind then, I just recognized your name for some reason or another :)
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17:13<sssvi01>pumkin0: help me
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17:13<sssvi01>pumpkin0: help me
17:13<pumpkin0>!tell sssvi01 about nvidia one-liner
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17:15<sssvi01>gpkg: <nvidia one-liner>???
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17:17<pumpkin0>sssvi01: dpkg just send you a short text explaining howto install the nvidia driver. Did you get that text ?
17:17<sssvi01>pumkin0: yes
17:17<pumpkin0>sssvi01: did you try it ?
17:17<_3yE_>how unfriendly
17:17<_3yE_>pasted one line and got kicked
17:19<sssvi01>pumpkin0: but i dont want to use apt-get
17:20<pumpkin0>sssvi01: use it or kill your install. It's up to you.
17:20<sssvi01>pumpkin0: i upgraded to kernel 2.6.21
17:20<frank>then use aptitude instead
17:20<sssvi01>pumpkin0: and download latest nvidia driver
17:21<sssvi01>pumpkin0: and install kernel haders and kerlel src
17:22<pumpkin0>sssvi01: the apt-get/aptitude packages are modified to work on debian. Installing the non-modified packages is not recommanded. They tend to break in funny ways.
17:23<frank>sssvi01: you can also use module-assisstant if you have a custom kernel
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17:23<lordram>mmm... it's possible that you can't use 2.6.21 with nvidia drivers
17:24<lordram>http://www.esdebian.org/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=4&showtopic=89199&show=10&page=2 <--- here you can found an explanation but, it is in spanish
17:24<sssvi01>pumpkin0: then sh nvidia-xxxx-.run the after showing progress bar after 100% it says unable to build kernel module
17:25<frank>lordram: depends on the nvidia version i guess
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17:26<lordram>frank, that link says that the problem is the "PARAVIRT" kernel option, it should be set to "NO" in order to compile the nvidia o ati driver
17:26<lordram>sorry, my english is very bad :(
17:27<frank>i don't speak spanish, sorry
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17:28<Cave`>are there a guide to compile (the debian way) the nvidia driver - with kernel 2.6.21
17:28<sssvi01>sh nvidia-xxxx.run and after showing progress bar after 100% it says unable to build kernel module
17:29<sssvi01>some body help me
17:29<EricB>did you install the kernel headers?
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17:33<sssvi01>yes
17:33<pumpkin0>sssvi01: did you do what lordram told you ?
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17:35<sssvi01>pumpkin0: sorry but what?
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17:36<pumpkin0>sssvi01: did you set "PARAVIRT" to NO ?
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17:38<BluRay>hi.. when i'm installing debian.. i can choose groups of packages (web server, desktop..), but i can't choose which software from some group..
17:39<BluRay>can i install from groups by details or only whole group?
17:39<sssvi01>pumpkin0: i dont know howto how to set "PARAVIRT" no
17:41<pumpkin0>BluRay: you can just install the desktop-packages and add stuff later.
17:41<sssvi01>i dont know how to set "PARAVIRT" to no
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17:43<pumpkin0>sssvi01: grep PARAVIRT in you kernel-source. you will find the setupfile.
17:43<sssvi01>ok
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17:47<GhostlyDeath>WOAH NICE NETSPLIT!
17:47<GhostlyDeath>There was like 10 people in here
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17:50<chronoteeth>DEBIAN IS COOL.
17:50<GhostlyDeath>Debian rescued my cat from a tree
17:51<chronoteeth>Debian took my virginity
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17:51<GhostlyDeath>lol
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17:53<sssvi01>pumpkin0: my kernel src is in tar.bz2 archive to install nvidia driver is it recommended to unpack it ?
17:53<chronoteeth>I don't even know what debian is
17:53<chronoteeth>but it took my virginity
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17:54<sssvi01>chronoteeth: how? what? why?
17:54<chronoteeth>I don't know how
17:54<chronoteeth>I don't know why
17:54<chronoteeth>Dunno even what
17:55<pumpkin0>sssvi01: the module only needs the headers. It should not care about the source. It does care about the config. (the current one can be found in /proc/config.gz and as .config somewhere in your /usr/src/-tree.)
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17:57<sssvi01>pumpkin0:set "PARAVIRT" to no is only for amd64 or x64 hardware
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18:01<ethan>hello
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18:02<ethan>anybody around?
18:02<aycko>yeah
18:02<ethan>heh i like the "this is not #ubuntu" in the topic
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18:03<ethan>can somebody tell me what the linux equivlant of Autoexec.bat or windows startup is?
18:04<sssvi01>how to recursively delete all *.txt or any type of file in a dir tree
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18:05<aycko>like rm -r *.txt
18:05<aycko>-.-
18:05<frank>ethan: you can either make your own init script or use e.g. rc.local
18:05<aycko>but be careful what your working dir is
18:05<lupine>ethan: /etc/rc*.d
18:05<lupine>sort of
18:06<aycko>ethan: if u want to execute stuff on a daily basis u can use cron
18:08<sssvi01>it only remove files in current dir
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18:08<sssvi01>how to recursively delete all *.txt or any type of file in a dir tree
18:08<Hessophanes>sssvi01: find dir/ -name "*.txt" | xargs rm - use with care.
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18:09<frank>that is dangerous
18:09<frank>always use -print0 with such stuff
18:09<frank>and xargs -0
18:10<sssvi01>thanks
18:16<aycko>what is the worst case if someone owns my ftp account?
18:16<aycko>just to loose my data?
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18:26<vortek>hello :)
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18:28<vortek>I got a simple question.. I'm looking over the debian changes of Accepted kernel-image-2.6.8-amd64 2.6.8-16sarge6 (source i386)
18:28<vortek>Is that fixes the the kernel Debian made ?
18:29<vortek>like did debian actualy fix them security holes in the kernel.. or did they just apply the patches for it that were publicly available?
18:29<azeem>I don't understand your question
18:29<azeem>updates to the stable Debian kernel usually mean fixes to security holes
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18:33<vortek>azeem: are these fixes the debian programers made ?
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18:34<vortek>or are they using public security patches made by others
18:34<azeem>vortek: usually the latter
18:34<vortek>the i mean meant / that
18:34<vortek>ahh ok
18:34<azeem>though they heavily research the issue and evaluate the patches
18:34<vortek>darn i was thinking debian was all sweet and stuff and patched 0day flaws
18:34<vortek>ahh sweet
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18:40<owenh>Hi, how can I make clamd run with a different nicelevel? There's nothing about it in the docs and google hasn't helped either...
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18:45<alp_>hi
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18:59<_spOOn_>anyone here help me with a debian/testing and nvidia issue?
19:01<Ganneff>!nvidia
19:01<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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19:03<_spOOn_>i followed those instructions, and has worked before, but when i got to apt-get install nvidia-glx, it cant find the package. Seems like the package is only in stable and unstable, not testing
19:03<_spOOn_>any reason for this?
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19:03<_spOOn_>i have non-free source as well
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19:05<_spOOn_>also, aptitude seems to be locking up after successful package installation. Doesnt matter what package, just as soon as its finished, it stops responding
19:05<_spOOn_>stange...
19:05<_spOOn_>strange... even
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19:27<vortek>id just of used the one from unstable hehe
19:28<vortek>well on a desktop machine not a server
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19:32<uter>hi i have a question about kdeprint- the button add printer/class... is disabled - what could this be ?
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19:50<uter>hi - i have a problem with kde print -> the button add printer/class is disabled -> the user is in group lpadmin & lp and cupsys & cupsys - client are installed
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20:01<uter>hi - i have a problem with kde print -> the button add printer/class is disabled -> the user is in group lpadmin & lp and cupsys & cupsys - client are installed
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20:57<lucas_amorim>hello. How do I use sftp to download a file from a remote server I am logged on?
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20:58<lucas_amorim>I am at home trying to download a file which is in a server at the university
20:58<lucas_amorim>as an example
20:59<mikegrb>sftp <server>
20:59<mikegrb>or sftp user@server
20:59<mikegrb>just like you would use with ssh
20:59<lucas_amorim>then...
20:59<mikegrb>once connected, it's just like ftp
20:59<lucas_amorim>ohh
20:59<lucas_amorim>I will try that
21:00<lucas_amorim>than, i do not need to login using ssh before?
21:00<lucas_amorim>then*
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21:03<lucas_amorim>Ok.. It worked
21:03<lucas_amorim>thanks!
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21:14<smash>hi everyone
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21:15<smash>can enenyone help me to know about basic networking in linux(Debian)
21:16<gar>ifconfig tell you everything
21:16<gar>:D
21:17<smash>gar: I mean proxy server setup and all that sort of things
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21:35<Aleric>Where can I change the number of workspaces in gnome??
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21:45<faaldo>boa noite
21:45<be>sorry, is this chat portuguese only?
21:46<faaldo>yes.
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21:51<gerzel>Hey I'm trying to switch to black box but dunno how to generate menus, I'm using Feisty Ubuntu
21:51<faaldo>alguèm tc em portugues
21:55<be>very poor portugues
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21:57<be>has anyone some idea what's going on with iceweasel locales in lenny's reps?
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22:10<be>i'm having some problem with iceweasel locales in lenny
22:10<be>they seem to be one version ahead of the programm
22:10<unix>connect
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22:10<be>does anyone have some idea?
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22:14<be>no-one... idea about iceweasel locales. is that a bug? I haven't find it neither on google or debian bug track
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22:39<DreDawgg>hello
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22:42<djuLoq>hallo
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22:44<CutMeOwnThroat>hullo
22:46<CutMeOwnThroat>big party in here, eh?
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22:47<CutMeOwnThroat>another one bites the dust
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23:05<miike->hey. I have a question. Is there a possible mirror to the security.debian.org...?
23:05<miike->I am randomly getting Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
23:05<miike-> 404 Not Found
23:05<miike-> when using aptitude.
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23:17<sysop>hi
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23:18<sysop>what's up? kop my friend
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23:21<Darksmurf>looking for iptables help. Can someone look at http://pastebin.com/d169cdf3f and see if the iptables rules do what the comments say?
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23:22<Darksmurf>I should mention that eth3 = internal nic, eth4 = external w/ public IP
23:23<Darksmurf>anyone have any idea why Debian Etch named the two network cards in my machine eth3 and eth4? I had different cards in before and each time I change them it doesn't reuse the old dev name.
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23:24<sysop>Darksmurf, what crazy!
23:25<sysop>Darksmurf, I'm not a guru, even more not an expert... I mean... I don't know very much.
23:25<sysop>but...
23:26<CutMeOwnThroat>Darksmurf, thats pretty weird... so you dont have eth1?
23:27<CutMeOwnThroat>#prevent NAT (inet <-> inet) ?
23:27<sysop>CutMeOwnThroat, yes I was to say same
23:27<sysop>Darksmurf, as say CutMeOwnThroat... this rule is...
23:27<CutMeOwnThroat>weird?
23:27<sysop>Darksmurf, how can I said...
23:27<sysop>yes
23:27<sysop>WEIRD
23:28<CutMeOwnThroat>:)
23:28<sysop>Thank you CutMeOwnThroat
23:28<CutMeOwnThroat>and dunno what it's doing...
23:28<CutMeOwnThroat>but not what the comment sais, i guess
23:28<CutMeOwnThroat>you're trying to forward from eth4 to eth4
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23:29<CutMeOwnThroat>well, havent used iptables for a long time
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23:32<sysop>Darksmurf, only comment that said CutMeOwnThroat... not correspond to the rule
23:34<sysop>and...
23:34<sysop>Darksmurf, this #Allow Local SSH
23:34<Darksmurf>doh
23:34<sysop>Darksmurf, allow all! not only local
23:34<sysop>iptables -A INPUT -i eth3 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
23:34<Darksmurf>iptables -A FORWARD -i eth4 -o eth4 should be "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth4 -o eth4 -j reject"
23:35<Darksmurf>allow local = allow connections to local SSH server..i.e. not forwarded and not blocked
23:35<CutMeOwnThroat>but... what type of package would be forwarded from one cart to the same card anyways?
23:35<sysop>CutMeOwnThroat, yes I think the same thing
23:35<Darksmurf>to be honest I have no idea. I saw that rule in a howto and I guessed that is what it was doing
23:35<sysop>I don't know exactly... but at first look not sound logic
23:35<node_3667>any xblast/dynablaster/bomberman who wants to join for a xblast game here ?
23:36<node_3667>CutMeOwnThroat: this is rare
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23:39<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667: ?
23:39<node_3667>but... what type of package would be forwarded from one cart to the same card anyways? -> none
23:39<CutMeOwnThroat>ah
23:39<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, tried to link that to your bomberman comment :)
23:39<node_3667>;-)
23:40<node_3667>players are rare too
23:40<Darksmurf>maybe some trying to hide their source IP...could you forward from your machine through an 'open' NAT server over the internet?
23:40<node_3667>want a game ?
23:40<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, he asked about this http://pastebin.com/d169cdf3f
23:40<CutMeOwnThroat>and while I dont completely follow all the other rules, the one trying to forbid forwarding from eth4 to eth4 seems weird
23:41<sysop>Darksmurf, yes maybe... but you need to study networks, tcp/ip, firewalls, security
23:41<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, xpilot only here :)
23:41<node_3667>xpilot then
23:42<node_3667>what is the question regarding this strange set of iptables rules ?
23:42<CutMeOwnThroat>if they do what the strange comments say they do
23:42<node_3667>no.
23:42<sysop>hehehehehe
23:42<node_3667>should they do what the comment says ?
23:42<node_3667>CutMeOwnThroat: xpilot ng ?
23:42<CutMeOwnThroat>dunno
23:43<node_3667>or xpilot
23:43<CutMeOwnThroat>sure
23:43<CutMeOwnThroat>ng
23:43<node_3667>apt-geting...
23:43<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, you never played that?
23:43<Darksmurf>I would like them to do what the comments say..but I'd really like to understand why they don't
23:43<node_3667>yes i played that
23:43<node_3667>a long time ago
23:43<CutMeOwnThroat>what nick?
23:44<node_3667>rx maybe.
23:44<CutMeOwnThroat>hm
23:44<node_3667>or node3667.
23:44<CutMeOwnThroat>how long ago?
23:44<node_3667>8 years ago
23:44<node_3667>10-8.
23:44<CutMeOwnThroat>hm
23:44<node_3667>wasn't addicted.
23:44<CutMeOwnThroat>if it's 10, I guess I didnt play back then
23:44<CutMeOwnThroat>8... yes
23:45<Darksmurf>and then I would like to prevent other incomming connections that are not allowed ..but I think I could change the policy for the default table to DENY right? then if its not allowed it gets dropped
23:45<node_3667>telnet meta.xpilot.org 4401 | awk -F: '{print $4 " " $2}' | sort ?
23:45<node_3667>Darksmurf: no, ACCEPT, reject or drop. default is accep
23:45<sysop>Darksmurf, yes
23:45<CutMeOwnThroat>Darksmurf, how should there be incoming connections for a NAT?
23:45<CutMeOwnThroat>they could only go to the machine itself...
23:46<node_3667>iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
23:46<node_3667>iptables -A OUTPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
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23:46<node_3667>iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
23:46<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, heh.... telnet meta.xpilot.org 4401 | awk -F: '{print $4 " " $2}' | sort :)
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23:46<node_3667>and then the opther rules
23:47<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, we normally just type "xpilot" (or xpilot-ng-client) :)
23:47<node_3667>CutMeOwnThroat: what server ?
23:47<CutMeOwnThroat>dunno, what do you want?
23:47<CutMeOwnThroat>ehhe
23:47<CutMeOwnThroat>my robot-bloods is the 1st in the list :)
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23:48<CutMeOwnThroat>"chaos" is in germany
23:48<Darksmurf>ok, thanks guys. I'm going to bed
23:48<node_3667>huh
23:48<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, you're from .ca it seems
23:48<node_3667>ya
23:48<sysop>good night Darksmurf
23:48<node_3667>nit'
23:48<node_3667>Darksmurf: have
23:48<node_3667>a look at labs.8d.com/myfw
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23:49<node_3667>CutMeOwnThroat: i need the manual again ;-)
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23:49<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, ?
23:49<CutMeOwnThroat>what manual?
23:49<CutMeOwnThroat>what for?
23:49<node_3667>for xpilot
23:49<node_3667>keybinding
23:49<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, nope
23:49<node_3667>how do i know the keys then ?
23:50<CutMeOwnThroat>node_3667, left-click with the mouse -> mouse steering
23:50<node_3667>ack
23:52<CutMeOwnThroat>you're "xavier"?
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23:55<node_3667>CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, sorry
23:55<node_3667>CutMeOwnThroat: and you ?
23:56<CutMeOwnThroat>the other guy in your team
23:56<node_3667>ha ha cool
23:56<node_3667>what name ?
23:56<CutMeOwnThroat>touchme
23:56<CutMeOwnThroat>because I'm on the laptop
23:56<CutMeOwnThroat>and that only had a touchpad
23:56<CutMeOwnThroat>:)
23:56<CutMeOwnThroat>duh, I am sorry... I am pretty tired
23:57<node_3667>np
23:57<CutMeOwnThroat>but I programmed those sucky bots...
23:57<CutMeOwnThroat>perhaps you can have some fun with them :)
23:57<node_3667>the bot are pretty tough for newbies
23:57<CutMeOwnThroat>guess so
23:57<CutMeOwnThroat>they have several weaknesses, though
23:58<CutMeOwnThroat>well... more weaknesses than skills, actually
23:58<node_3667>what happening now...
23:58<CutMeOwnThroat>they don't attack if you "hide" behind a wall
23:58<node_3667>i guess i'm pausde.
23:58<node_3667>ok
23:58<CutMeOwnThroat>yeah
23:58<CutMeOwnThroat>type /team 4 to re-join
23:58<CutMeOwnThroat>and they dodge bullets pretty well
23:58<CutMeOwnThroat>but they only dodge a single one in every frame...
23:59<CutMeOwnThroat>so multiple bullets and they try to evade a different one every frame.. until they are hit :)
23:59<node_3667>CutMeOwnThroat: so many bots
23:59<node_3667>for 2 ppl
23:59<CutMeOwnThroat>only 4 :)
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