| --- | Log | opened Tue Jul 24 00:00:07 2007 |
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| 00:22 | <vortek> | hello :) |
| 00:22 | <vortek> | Is there an alternate to LinuxAnt project |
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| 00:22 | <vortek> | it shows my usb card there ... but ndiswrapers doesnot. |
| 00:22 | <vortek> | and linuxant is 64bit |
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| 00:22 | <vortek> | wll 64bit kernel needed |
| 00:23 | <vortek> | any ideas from the gurus ? |
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| 00:34 | <keren> | hey, does anyone know a client to update dynamic dns services such as dyndns.org which can web check the ip? |
| 00:34 | <jm_> | yes |
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| 00:44 | <brianw> | hm, i'm running Stable and when I tried to install libopenssl-ruby1.8 it tossed this at me... |
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| 00:44 | <brianw> | libopenssl-ruby1.8: Depends: libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.5) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 00:44 | <brianw> | I have this installed: ii libruby1.8 1.8.6-2 Libraries necessary to run Ruby 1.8 |
| 00:44 | <brianw> | shouldn't that satisfy the dependancy? |
| 00:45 | <jm_> | yes, but that's likely not the problem |
| 00:45 | <brianw> | why would it tell me about that unmet dependancy if it's not the problem? |
| 00:45 | <brianw> | and where shoudl I start looking to figure out this hidden problem? |
| 00:45 | <jm_> | where do you see it saying unmet dependencies? |
| 00:46 | <jm_> | try apt* install libopenssl-ruby1.8 |
| 00:46 | <brianw> | apt-get install libopenssl-ruby1.8 |
| 00:46 | <brianw> | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 00:46 | <brianw> | libopenssl-ruby1.8: Depends: libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.5) but it is not going to be installed |
| 00:46 | <brianw> | skipped a few lines that don't have errors, just info. |
| 00:46 | <brianw> | did that. |
| 00:46 | <brianw> | even straight install with dpkg fails it. |
| 00:47 | <brianw> | aptitude, apt-get both fail. |
| 00:47 | <brianw> | and that's all I ever see error wise. |
| 00:48 | <jm_> | huh, either I am blind or something weird is going on - dpkg has version check option, try using that |
| 00:48 | <brianw> | exactly. :) |
| 00:48 | <brianw> | ok, how? |
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| 00:48 | <jm_> | --compare-versions |
| 00:48 | <brianw> | thx. |
| 00:48 | <jm_> | apt-get -V also reports versions |
| 00:48 | <mjk> | --com-perversions? |
| 00:49 | [~] | mjk should get a girl-friend. ;-) |
| 00:49 | <brianw> | ahha new error when I added libruby1.8 |
| 00:49 | <brianw> | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 00:49 | <brianw> | libruby1.8: Conflicts: libopenssl-ruby1.8 (< 1.8.6) but 1.8.5-4 is to be installed |
| 00:49 | <jm_> | ahh heh |
| 00:50 | <jm_> | I always forget one has to check in the other direction too |
| 00:50 | <brianw> | now why wouldn't it tell me about this conflict? |
| 00:50 | <brianw> | and even better, why is there such a lovely conflict within Stable? :) |
| 00:51 | <keren> | jm_ you said you know of a dyndns client that web checks for the ip? |
| 00:51 | <azeem_> | brianw: because you've got libruby1.8 from testing |
| 00:51 | <azeem_> | libruby1.8 | 1.8.5-4 | stable | alpha, amd64, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc |
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| 00:51 | <jm_> | keren: there are ez-ipupdate and no-ip |
| 00:51 | <brianw> | ah, I wonder how that happened. |
| 00:51 | <jm_> | brianw: libopenssl-ruby1.8 in stable is 1.8.5-4 |
| 00:51 | <brianw> | oh, I know. I had both listed with preference for stable a month or two ago. |
| 00:51 | <jm_> | ahh yes, already mentioned |
| 00:52 | <brianw> | I needed a newer lib from testing at the time. |
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| 00:52 | <brianw> | it must have triggered the upgrade on libruby 8-P |
| 00:52 | <azeem> | what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 00:52 | <jm_> | but yeah, error reporting should be expand with regards to conflicts |
| 00:52 | <jm_> | expanded* |
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| 00:52 | <brianw> | 2.5-11 |
| 00:52 | <azeem> | brianw: that's testing as well |
| 00:53 | <brianw> | thought so. |
| 00:53 | <brianw> | I must have fscked up on setting dist preference. |
| 00:53 | <brianw> | it was when I installed mono. |
| 00:53 | <brianw> | stable was barfing all over a C# app I was trying to get to work. |
| 00:53 | <brianw> | I spose I may as well just sit on testing then. 8-P |
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| 00:56 | <k-man> | can you get dual cpu motherboards and put dual core cpus in them to get 4 cores? |
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| 00:57 | <mjk> | k-man: Sure. |
| 00:57 | <brianw> | k-man, amd? yes, 4x4 platform only. |
| 00:57 | <k-man> | yeah, i'd prefer amd |
| 00:57 | <jm_> | k-man: sure, look at AMD 4x4 or Intel V8 stuff (that's octo-core then I suppose) |
| 00:57 | <k-man> | but what about intel? |
| 00:57 | <brianw> | intel takes the extreme core-2 and of course opterons and xeons can do it. |
| 00:57 | <k-man> | ooh... octo? |
| 00:57 | <k-man> | hmm |
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| 00:59 | <k-man> | so... which mb should I get to put 2 dual core amd cpus in it? |
| 00:59 | <keren> | a brave mobo |
| 01:00 | <brianw> | there aren't that many. |
| 01:00 | <k-man> | oh |
| 01:00 | <brianw> | check toms hardware for reviews |
| 01:00 | <k-man> | thats annoying |
| 01:00 | <k-man> | ah, good idea |
| 01:00 | <k-man> | thanks |
| 01:00 | <brianw> | well it's really just opterons in disguise as desktop cpus from what I hear (total rumor) |
| 01:01 | <k-man> | well |
| 01:01 | <Dargor> | hi all, how do i use iptables when destination ip changes. eg my adsl gateway, the isp assigned ip. |
| 01:01 | <jm_> | use iptables for what? |
| 01:01 | <k-man> | im just wondering about the cost benefit of getting a 4 port co-processed raid card vs getting more cpu grunt and doing software raid |
| 01:01 | <k-man> | a 3ware 4 port sata raide card costs around AU$650 here |
| 01:01 | <Dargor> | i want to forward port 2222 to 22 because 22 is blocked at school |
| 01:02 | <jm_> | why do you care abotu IP then? |
| 01:03 | <Dargor> | umm, i think i need to, "iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -s 0/0 --dport 22 -p tcp -d [my ip] --dport 22 -j ACCEPT" |
| 01:03 | <Dargor> | is there an easyer way |
| 01:04 | <brianw> | I gave up using iptables directly finally. |
| 01:04 | <brianw> | shorewall made that fairly easy to do reliably.' |
| 01:04 | <jm_> | Dargor: well you could simply omit -d myip, alternatively, depending on how you connect set it up after the connection is established with specific IP |
| 01:05 | <keren> | Dargor: iptables doesn't survive a reboot unless you set it up to do so. theres a howto in debian-administration.org i think |
| 01:06 | <Dargor> | wait, wont -d 127.0.0.1 work? |
| 01:07 | <jm_> | no |
| 01:07 | <Dargor> | whys that |
| 01:07 | <jm_> | because it won't match remote connection attempts |
| 01:07 | <Dargor> | i could set the interface |
| 01:08 | <brianw> | the DNAT needs to be 127.0.0.1:22 if you are shooting for locahost. |
| 01:08 | <brianw> | not the original destination match |
| 01:08 | <Dargor> | ko |
| 01:08 | <Dargor> | ok |
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| 01:09 | <brianw> | but if the machine is the original target IP, then you dont' need to specify the IP portion of the dnat, jsut the port. |
| 01:09 | <brianw> | I think. |
| 01:09 | <brianw> | heh, too damn confusing even though i've used it since it came out. 8-P |
| 01:09 | <jm_> | -d is there so it only does this for attempts sent specific to your machine - do you even get anything else? |
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| 01:26 | <vortek> | whats a good wiresless config tool thats console based? |
| 01:27 | <vortek> | im gona install base, then manualy grab ndis or another partition |
| 01:27 | <azeem> | iwconfig |
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| 01:27 | <vortek> | k |
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| 01:36 | <vortek> | 2 bad thre wasn't a instaltion set that had every thing you needed for wireless :) |
| 01:36 | <vortek> | well i could try that jugdo or whatever |
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| 01:40 | <Xz> | hi all |
| 01:40 | <Xz> | somebocy talk spanish over here?? |
| 01:41 | <Xz> | *somebody |
| 01:41 | <azeem> | !es |
| 01:41 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:42 | <Xz> | tack |
| 01:42 | <Xz> | tx |
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| 01:51 | <MrNaz> | not sure where else to ask this, but i have this in a shell script: dirname="/backup/backupset-"`date +%Y%m%d-%H%M` i want to add the time to that string... anyone know the tokens off the top of their head? |
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| 01:51 | <MrNaz> | i mean i want to add seconds to that |
| 01:51 | <jm_> | you already have time in it |
| 01:51 | <jm_> | man strftime |
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| 01:51 | <MrNaz> | jm_ sorry i meant i want to add seconds |
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| 01:53 | <vortek> | isn't there a way to use jigdo to make your self a custom cd ? |
| 01:53 | <vortek> | via the net ? |
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| 01:56 | <keren> | vortek: i assume there is. jigdo isn't complicated. check out the documentation |
| 01:56 | <vortek> | yeh i am |
| 01:56 | <vortek> | not sure if it will do what i want to |
| 01:57 | <vortek> | using the net as source to build cd |
| 01:57 | <vortek> | hehe |
| 01:57 | <keren> | it just downloads packages and puts them into place inside the iso |
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| 01:57 | <vortek> | yeah |
| 01:58 | <vortek> | i was looking to build an instalation cd with all the wireless drivers pre included |
| 01:58 | <vortek> | er wireless tools |
| 01:58 | <DawnLight> | so you could netinst via wireless? |
| 01:58 | <vortek> | so i dont have to install then mount another partition with the files on them i need for my wireless stuff |
| 01:59 | <vortek> | wireless dont work defualt |
| 01:59 | <vortek> | have to use ndiswrappers |
| 01:59 | <vortek> | so im hoping i can use a netinstall for that |
| 01:59 | <vortek> | then copy over ndiswrapers and hope theres no depend problems |
| 01:59 | <vortek> | hehe |
| 02:00 | <DawnLight> | if you have enough bandwidth, perhaps download three dvds and you'll have much to work with |
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| 02:00 | <vortek> | yeha |
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| 02:00 | <vortek> | i got 6 meg down |
| 02:00 | <DawnLight> | haha |
| 02:00 | <vortek> | but most mirrors i can only get 2meg |
| 02:01 | <vortek> | well 8 meg down |
| 02:01 | <DawnLight> | try torrent |
| 02:01 | <vortek> | yeah |
| 02:01 | <DawnLight> | is jigdo stable yet? |
| 02:03 | <tupa> | DawnLight it's pretty stable, used it myself |
| 02:04 | <DawnLight> | i've had bad luck with it. it wouldn't download one last package |
| 02:05 | <blarson> | I've used jigdo many times, works fine. |
| 02:07 | <blarson> | The main thing I dislike about it is its inablility to handle local partial mirrors properly. |
| 02:07 | <blarson> | So I have to run it on the mirror where the files are local, rather than elsewhere on my home net. |
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| 02:09 | <peyman> | what package do I need to install for man pages of C standard libarary functions? man strcpy |
| 02:10 | <jm_> | !tell peyman -about search |
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| 02:15 | <tupa> | peyman manpages-dev |
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| 02:16 | <tupa> | peyman oh wait, I'm actually using the n00buntu box, try searching system library calls |
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| 02:21 | <peyman> | tupa: no, that's right |
| 02:21 | <peyman> | tupa: thank you |
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| 02:21 | <on3> | hello |
| 02:22 | <on3> | can anyone help me on resizing screensize? |
| 02:22 | <DawnLight> | can anyone help me with setting up a dyndns update client? i've done it before using ez-ipupdate and ddclient but not behind nat |
| 02:22 | <DawnLight> | on3: which desktop environment? |
| 02:23 | <on3> | kde: |
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| 02:23 | <DawnLight> | on3: right click on desktop... ... |
| 02:23 | <on3> | i've installed knoppix5.1.1 on my usb pen drive |
| 02:24 | <on3> | the max resolution i get is 800x600 |
| 02:24 | <DawnLight> | oh, i see. |
| 02:24 | <on3> | any idea? |
| 02:25 | <DawnLight> | well, i don't know much about knoppix, but i guess that you can check out /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 02:25 | <DawnLight> | and man xorg.conf |
| 02:25 | <DawnLight> | and look for "modes" in the man page |
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| 02:26 | <jm_> | !knoppix |
| 02:26 | <dpkg> | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:26 | <on3> | ok, let me look at it.... |
| 02:26 | <DawnLight> | hehe, "or situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian"... |
| 02:27 | <on3> | :) |
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| 02:33 | <on3> | nobody @ knoppix?! |
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| 02:54 | <grumpf`stage> | hello |
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| 02:57 | <pcav> | hi all |
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| 02:57 | <pcav> | in the last few days I do not get updates/upgrades for lenny |
| 02:57 | <pcav> | anything wrong? |
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| 02:59 | <DawnLight> | whats the command line for sending SIG_QUIT and such |
| 02:59 | <jm_> | "stty -a" and see |
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| 03:00 | <jm_> | that's ohw to send it via keyboard, otherwise one uses kill command to send signals arround |
| 03:01 | <grumpf`stage> | I'd like to get some help about setting a mail server, problem is with my resolv.conf : it sets itself back about every five minutes, erasing my modifications: anyone knows where it might come from ? |
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| 03:02 | <azeem> | grumpf`stage: probably from dhcp |
| 03:02 | <DawnLight> | witchcraft |
| 03:02 | <grumpf`stage> | lol |
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| 03:02 | <grumpf`stage> | mmm yup might be |
| 03:03 | <DawnLight> | see if you can define a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) or tell the dhcp client not to do that |
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| 03:04 | <grumpf`stage> | ok i'll try |
| 03:04 | <grumpf`stage> | thanx |
| 03:04 | <DawnLight> | how do i kill something by it's name? |
| 03:04 | <formorer> | pkill |
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| 03:06 | <DawnLight> | wow thanks |
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| 03:11 | <DawnLight> | i have post-up inadyn and pre-down pkill inadyn but after i /etc/init.d/networking restart inadyn isn't running like it does after i just bash in inadyn |
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| 03:27 | <DawnLight> | will anyone look at my interfaces file, i seem to be doing something wrong http://pastebin.ca/631733 |
| 03:29 | <mjk> | dpkg's factoid for "aes" states "Twofish should have won, or very weak," -- does that mean that twofish is the "best" (w/ regard to security) cryptographic algorithm for disk encryption in Linux? Or should I use serpent? |
| 03:30 | <gsimmons> | DawnLight: Where is 'inadyn' located in your filesystem? |
| 03:32 | <DawnLight> | gsimmons: how do i find out? |
| 03:35 | <gsimmons> | DawnLight: Ah, you're using the 'inadyn' package? It would be in /usr/sbin then. I had thought your post-up command wasn't in the command search path (as described in interfaces(5)). |
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| 03:37 | <DawnLight> | gsimmons: so should i use the full path in post-up? |
| 03:37 | <gsimmons> | DawnLight: No, you shouldn't be required to. |
| 03:38 | <DawnLight> | gsimmons: so why isn't it working? can i see a verbose of what /etc/init.d/networking restart is doing? |
| 03:40 | <DawnLight> | sorry, connection problem: gsimmons: so why isn't it working? can i see a verbose of what /etc/init.d/networking restart is doing? |
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| 03:46 | <DawnLight> | will anyone look at my interfaces file, i seem to be doing something wrong http://pastebin.ca/631733. when i type in bash "inadyn" the program starts fine, using the configuration file and keeps running in background. i then kill it and type in "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and when i check "ps aux | grep inadyn" theres nothing. |
| 03:47 | <jm_> | ifup has -v switch |
| 03:47 | <DawnLight> | i'll try |
| 03:48 | <DawnLight> | is there a difference between "auto" and allow-hotplug? |
| 03:50 | <DawnLight> | what is allow-hotplug anyway? |
| 03:50 | <DawnLight> | bring up the device when the cable is connected? |
| 03:50 | <jm_> | it allows subsystems to call ifup --allow=hotplug |
| 03:51 | <DawnLight> | so maybe i have to have allow-auto or just auto to use the post-up/pre-down/... things |
| 03:51 | <jm_> | yeah try that |
| 03:54 | <DawnLight> | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 03:54 | <DawnLight> | Failed to bring up eth0. |
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| 03:54 | <DawnLight> | thats what happens when there is an "auto eth0" line |
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| 03:55 | <DawnLight> | and it doesn't have to do with the inadyn because those are commented out |
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| 03:59 | <DawnLight> | reboot |
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| 04:03 | <DawnLight> | well, a reboot sorted it out, apparrently. i'm using the allow-auto instead of allow-hotplug |
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| 04:04 | <jm_> | allow-auto is the same as auto |
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| 04:04 | <DawnLight> | jm_ i'm reading mans when they aren't murdurous :) |
| 04:06 | <DawnLight> | thanks everyone! |
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| 04:13 | <lupine> | NetworkManager is officially my pet hate |
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| 04:18 | <bl0ck> | hi all |
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| 04:19 | <bl0ck> | i have a question regarding cron email notification - i have a cronjob that copies some file from a server to another and every time i get an email notification, the problem is that i want to change the email address to which this notification is sent |
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| 04:21 | <bl0ck> | i have set "| mail -s "subject" user2@domain" after the cronjob and it works BUT the notification goes also to the old email on which it was sent previosly |
| 04:21 | <bl0ck> | so now both emails get notification |
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| 04:22 | <bl0ck> | any ideas where should i change that |
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| 04:23 | <bl0ck> | is that any env variable or something? |
| 04:24 | <Maulkin> | man 5 crontab |
| 04:25 | <bl0ck> | :) |
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| 04:27 | <bl0ck> | Maulkin, thanks for the explanation :P |
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| 04:37 | <DawnLight> | how come ssh doesn't ask me for the passphrase to the key? |
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| 04:41 | <bl0ck> | Maulkin, it was not a cron issue - obviously we are talking here about qmail aliases... |
| 04:43 | <Maulkin> | you wanted the output of a cron job to go to a different email address? |
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| 04:43 | <Maulkin> | bl0ck: ^^ |
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| 04:45 | <bl0ck> | Maulkin, yes but after i tried everything i got it only to send to 2 emails simultaniously |
| 04:46 | <bl0ck> | Maulkin, and the issue was that i previously set email aliases for qmail |
| 04:47 | <bl0ck> | in /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-root |
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| 04:50 | <Internat> | probably a dum question. is there a limit as to how many groups a system can have? |
| 04:50 | <formorer> | yes |
| 04:50 | <mjk> | 64k, right? |
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| 04:51 | <formorer> | I don't know the numbers exactly, but there is one (it comes from the glibc) |
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| 04:54 | <Internat> | is it large? |
| 04:54 | <Internat> | say larger then 10000? |
| 04:55 | <mjk> | Internat: From /etc/group: nogroup:x:65534: |
| 04:55 | <mjk> | Internat: So I wouldn't go beyond 64k. |
| 04:55 | <mjk> | Internat: But you can try. :-) |
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| 04:56 | <Internat> | if i need that many groups, im going to cry :) so im not really worried |
| 04:56 | <Maulkin> | bl0ck: I'd try #qmail ircnet (http://images.fotopic.net/?id=43346310&source=admin) |
| 04:56 | <Internat> | i dont really forsee needing more then 100 |
| 04:56 | <Maulkin> | no... |
| 04:56 | <Maulkin> | http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/details.php?net=IRCnet |
| 04:56 | <Maulkin> | There |
| 04:56 | <Internat> | but hey i just thought id check |
| 04:57 | <mjk> | Internat: Always a good idea. :-) |
| 04:57 | <Internat> | indeed |
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| 04:57 | <Internat> | save me building a system to realise groups would be my failing point :) |
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| 05:10 | <rhoruns> | does anyone know of a good c++ ide for linux?? |
| 05:10 | <lupine_85> | kdevelop? |
| 05:10 | <rhoruns> | i dont use KDE |
| 05:11 | <mjk> | rhoruns: eclipse maybe? |
| 05:11 | <rhoruns> | oh |
| 05:11 | <mjk> | rhoruns: (Although I'm not sure if it's suitable for C++) |
| 05:11 | <Ganneff> | emacs |
| 05:11 | <bzed> | rhoruns: ecli[se |
| 05:11 | <bzed> | or vim |
| 05:11 | <Ganneff> | with ecb |
| 05:11 | <mjk> | rhoruns: cat |
| 05:11 | <mjk> | ;-) |
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| 05:12 | <rhoruns> | cat? |
| 05:12 | <rhoruns> | lol |
| 05:12 | <mjk> | =) |
| 05:12 | <mjk> | At least you can run that on a 386sx-16, as opposed to Eclipse. |
| 05:12 | <bzed> | indeed |
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| 05:12 | <bzed> | rhoruns: eclipse-cdt is my favourite |
| 05:12 | <rhoruns> | you completely confused me lol |
| 05:13 | <MoDaX> | mjk: debian won't run on 386 |
| 05:13 | <lawnninja> | what normally cause a bunch of .lock files to appear in the apache2 dir? |
| 05:13 | <mjk> | MoDaX: Oh, I forgot, yeah ... 486 is the minimum requirement, right? |
| 05:13 | <MoDaX> | mjk: yes |
| 05:13 | <mjk> | MoDaX: Then he shall install Potato or whatever there was before. :-) |
| 05:13 | <yangvnc> | could someone review this ffmpeg error - http://paste.debian.net/33272 |
| 05:14 | <jm_> | Hamm |
| 05:14 | <mjk> | Hamm? |
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| 05:14 | <mjk> | Heavy Asses Make Mothers? |
| 05:14 | <jm_> | !release history |
| 05:14 | <dpkg> | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-03-08). The next release will be lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 05:14 | <jm_> | Slink actually |
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| 05:14 | <mjk> | jm_: Slink was the last 386 Debian? |
| 05:15 | <jm_> | mjk: naah, Sarge (supposedly, but not quite sure) |
| 05:15 | <mjk> | jm_: Ah okay. |
| 05:15 | <jm_> | i.e. it was meant to work on 386 but it featured some stuff that apparently doesn't |
| 05:15 | <jm_> | if my memory serves me well |
| 05:16 | <mjk> | I see ... well, can't remember, either, and I do /not/ want to run a modern Unix on a 386, not even my 386DX-40. |
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| 05:17 | <faderhval> | salutations people |
| 05:17 | <MoDaX> | etch release date is wrong! it should be 2007-04-08 |
| 05:17 | <jm_> | last similar masochism I tied was Win95 on 386-something and MFM disk :) |
| 05:17 | <jm_> | fix it? |
| 05:17 | <yangvnc> | mjk: www.distrowatch.com can help you find a small linux distribution |
| 05:17 | <MoDaX> | dunno how |
| 05:18 | <MoDaX> | andmaybe I'm not even allowed to |
| 05:18 | <mjk> | yangvnc: Thanks, I knew that link! But the problem is that my demands grew a little. :-} |
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| 05:18 | <mjk> | yangvnc: I'm spoilt, I guess. |
| 05:18 | <jm_> | fixed |
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| 05:19 | <yangvnc> | mjk: mjk its better to find a still-maintaned distribution which supports i386, than going back to woody... |
| 05:19 | <lawnninja> | can someone please tell me what .lock files are? |
| 05:19 | <faderhval> | i lost directory how do i search for it? |
| 05:19 | <mjk> | yangvnc: Definitely. |
| 05:19 | <mjk> | faderhval: "man find" |
| 05:19 | <valdyn> | umm, does _any_ distro support true 386, as this is a gcc issue |
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| 05:19 | <mjk> | faderhval: Err, wait ... what do you mean by "lost"? |
| 05:20 | <mjk> | faderhval: Does that mean you deleted it? |
| 05:20 | <faderhval> | nope :) i installed a package that came with apache2 server and now i cant find the htdocs folder :S |
| 05:20 | <jm_> | that's normal - there are no folders on Unix filesystems |
| 05:21 | <mjk> | faderhval: 1) find, 2) dpkg -L <package> lists all files inside a package. |
| 05:21 | <MoDaX> | faderhval: /var/www |
| 05:21 | <mjk> | jm_: Although I don't use the term "folder" for Unix: Is there a difference between folder and directory? |
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| 05:22 | <lawnninja> | ?? |
| 05:22 | <valdyn> | mjk: its a metaphor for 'directory' that is not used in unix |
| 05:22 | <mjk> | lawnninja: Lock files prevent multiple applications writing to the same file simultaneously. |
| 05:22 | <mjk> | valdyn: That's exactly what I thought. |
| 05:23 | <lawnninja> | mjk: is there a way to remove them? apache doesn't seem to wanna start back up |
| 05:23 | <jm_> | mjk: well there are mail folders (it's supposed to be a "joke" anyway) |
| 05:23 | <mjk> | valdyn: Like "forum" is never used for Usenet and "room" isn't used for IRC. |
| 05:24 | <mjk> | lawnninja: You could remove them with "rm <name of lock file>", but you should be sure that no process uses that file currently. (fuser -v <name of lock file>) |
| 05:24 | <MoDaX> | konqueror lets you "create new folder...". these terms are synonyms, folder being more newbie friendly maybe |
| 05:24 | <faderhval> | hmm... must be doing something wrong it just outputs no such fileor catalouge |
| 05:24 | <mjk> | lawnninja: Hm, although fuser is not a good way to find out if the lock file is used by a process. |
| 05:24 | <lawnninja> | mjk: it looks like it locked all the config files in the apache2 dir including the ones in the folders |
| 05:25 | <lawnninja> | so rm on each one would take a really long time |
| 05:25 | <bl0ck> | how can i prevent the use of the php mail function for sending spam |
| 05:25 | <mjk> | lawnninja: "find -iname .lock | xargs rm" -- but be sure to have a backup. No liability assumed. |
| 05:26 | <bl0ck> | are there any options in the php.ini i can use? |
| 05:26 | <bl0ck> | the problem comes always from buggie php scripts used on webhosting servers |
| 05:26 | <bl0ck> | is it possible to restrict the count of "to" "cc" "bcc" |
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| 05:29 | <mjk> | lawnninja: "find -name .lock" could actually be better, because it doesn't match .Lock etc., but I guess that doesn't matter. |
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| 05:31 | <lawnninja> | mjk: if I run just find -name .lock I don't get any output |
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| 05:32 | <mjk> | lawnninja: When running that command from your htdoc directory? (Or whatever directory contains the dirs with .lock files). |
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| 05:33 | <lawnninja> | mjk: correct, I thought I would try just runnign find -name .lock and I got nothing |
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| 05:33 | <mjk> | lawnninja: And you're sure that the subdirectories contain files named ".lock"? |
| 05:34 | <lawnninja> | mjk: I'm in the same directory as the .lock files |
| 05:34 | <mjk> | lawnninja: Then you *must* get a list of .lock files. |
| 05:34 | <lawnninja> | mjk: find *.lock seems to output what I want |
| 05:35 | <jm_> | mjk: files are named 'foo.lock' I think |
| 05:35 | <mjk> | d'oh! |
| 05:35 | <jm_> | not .lock literally ;) |
| 05:35 | <mjk> | lawnninja: Sorry, you only wrote ".lock", so I thought that was the complete file name of the lock files. |
| 05:35 | <lawnninja> | mjk: lol.... I got it, find *.lock | xargs rm |
| 05:35 | <lawnninja> | and now they are gone |
| 05:35 | <mjk> | lawnninja: And so is the root directory. |
| 05:36 | <mjk> | lawnninja: Just kidding. ;-) |
| 05:36 | <lawnninja> | mjk: I know |
| 05:36 | <lawnninja> | lol |
| 05:36 | <mjk> | =) |
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| 05:36 | <lawnninja> | I'm so new at all this |
| 05:36 | <mjk> | lawnninja: It was worth a try. ;-) |
| 05:36 | <lawnninja> | it's kind of frustrating at times |
| 05:36 | <schoappied> | Hi, I've installed pdftk on Debian etch kde, but I'm not able to start the program :/ |
| 05:36 | <lawnninja> | I mean I googled the hell out of it and couldn't get an answer |
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| 05:37 | <mjk> | lawnninja: frustration will be replaced by trust the more you know the system. But if you gain even more knowledge, trust turns into frustration again. ;-) |
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| 05:37 | <suiside> | schoappied: you have to be more specific if you want help, why can't you start it? any errors? |
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| 05:38 | <schoappied> | suiside: install is ok, if I want to run it in the konsole it just doesn't open the program, no errors.... |
| 05:39 | <mjk> | schoappied: When I run "pdftk" with no arguments, I get a listing of available options etc. |
| 05:40 | <mjk> | schoappied: Is "konsole" a terminal window that only has only one line and vanishes after the program has been executed? |
| 05:40 | <schoappied> | mjk: sorry you're right.... maybe I doesn't exactly understand how the problem works ? :/ |
| 05:40 | <mjk> | schoappied: Look in the manpage. :-) |
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| 05:40 | <mjk> | schoappied: The program needs various arguments and options to work. |
| 05:40 | <mjk> | schoappied: Type "man pdftk" to learn more about it (and hit 'q' to quit the pager). |
| 05:41 | <schoappied> | mjk: ok, thanks ;) |
| 05:42 | <lawnninja> | mjk: You don't happen to be good with name based virtual servers in apache do you? |
| 05:42 | <lawnninja> | lol |
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| 05:44 | <mjk> | lawnninja: :-) Alas, no. |
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| 05:49 | <lawnninja> | mjk: that's a bummer..... I'm having some issues with that too |
| 05:49 | <lawnninja> | before I had this current issue |
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| 05:54 | <apprado> | ola |
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| 05:54 | <apprado> | loa |
| 05:55 | <apprado> | fvghjj |
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| 05:55 | <apprado> | mierda |
| 05:55 | <apprado> | autyfqwyu |
| 05:55 | <apprado> | ola |
| 05:56 | <apprado> | ayuda |
| 05:56 | <apprado> | hhhtg8o |
| 05:56 | <witte> | apprado: your keyboard is working, please stop |
| 05:57 | <apprado> | dcdddsrhkhh |
| 05:57 | <apprado> | jkjlklhr |
| 05:57 | <Maulkin> | !es |
| 05:57 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 05:58 | <Maulkin> | apprado: no el Spam por favor. |
| 05:58 | <apprado> | iieii4fi4fi34 |
| 05:59 | <Maulkin> | (I think that's right...) |
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| 05:59 | <apprado> | wapa |
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| 06:00 | <apprado> | çñjlklñl |
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| 06:01 | <Maulkin> | That's better |
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| 06:03 | <witte> | Maulkin: but he left himself i guess, or did you trow him out? |
| 06:03 | <Myon> | he quit |
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| 06:03 | <witte> | Maulkin: and I guess you tried to ban him, but if he is behind a nat, wont you ban the entire nat subnet, or is that only for a short while (just curious |
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| 06:05 | <Maulkin> | I removed the ban, and created a mute on his IP |
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| 06:05 | <Maulkin> | !ping |
| 06:05 | <dpkg> | pong |
| 06:05 | <Maulkin> | Good good |
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| 06:16 | <Cav_> | hi, im looking for some help configuring ethernet ports, can anyone give me a hand? |
| 06:16 | <petemc> | whats the problem? |
| 06:18 | <Cav_> | well i have two mobo ethernet ports and two in a pci card, i need them all bound together. But at the moment i only have eth0 running |
| 06:19 | <petemc> | you want bonding? |
| 06:19 | <jm_> | I wouldn't mind doing some James Bonding either |
| 06:20 | <petemc> | saucy |
| 06:20 | <faderhval> | uhm... guys how do i see how much spaceis left on my drives? |
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| 06:20 | <suiside> | df -h |
| 06:20 | <jm_> | !grounding |
| 06:20 | <dpkg> | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 06:20 | <jm_> | faderhval: ^^^^^ |
| 06:21 | <Cav_> | yes, its pretty hot |
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| 06:25 | <KDEusr1> | is this like a official ppc debian channel? |
| 06:25 | <Maulkin> | #debian-ppc |
| 06:26 | <KDEusr1> | there is no deb ppc Maulkin ! |
| 06:26 | <KDEusr1> | wtf? |
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| 06:26 | <JasonS> | KDEusr1: tried on freenode? |
| 06:26 | <Maulkin> | !ppc |
| 06:26 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 06:26 | <Ganneff> | !ppc |
| 06:27 | <Ganneff> | arr, a second to late |
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| 06:33 | <Internat> | anyone happent o know if there is a way i can make linux call shutdown on my windows computer? |
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| 06:34 | <mjk> | Internat: If there is an appropriate command for Windows and you have putty installed, yes. |
| 06:34 | <Internat> | iw as hoping thru like smbclient or net or something |
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| 06:37 | <suiside> | could also be done with a sshd running in cygwin on the windows |
| 06:37 | <lawnninja> | mjk: I got the virtual servers figured out |
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| 06:38 | <tarzeau> | what's wrong when i get Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 06:38 | <mjk> | lawnninja: Ah, good! |
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| 06:46 | <mjk> | What's the best (or at least the most secure) encryption algorithm for disk encryption? AES, twofish or serpent? |
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| 07:03 | <berat> | hey |
| 07:03 | <berat> | i have two problem |
| 07:03 | <Maulkin> | !ask |
| 07:03 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:03 | <berat> | i forget to give password for root |
| 07:03 | <berat> | what can i do |
| 07:04 | <Maulkin> | can you log in as root with no password? |
| 07:04 | <berat> | yeah |
| 07:04 | <Maulkin> | then run (as root) "passwd" |
| 07:04 | <berat> | but when i wrote su to terminal it wants to a passwd |
| 07:05 | <Maulkin> | press enter |
| 07:05 | <berat> | i am able to login root from shell |
| 07:05 | <jm_> | mjk: shouldn't matter much which you choose |
| 07:05 | <berat> | it says |
| 07:05 | <berat> | authentication failure |
| 07:06 | <berat> | Maulkin, |
| 07:06 | <Maulkin> | berat: then it possibly does have a password set |
| 07:06 | <berat> | hmm |
| 07:06 | <Maulkin> | berat: log in as root, and run "passwd" |
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| 07:07 | <berat> | Maulkin, |
| 07:07 | <berat> | from pure shell |
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| 07:08 | <berat> | i am able to log in but from gdm when i log in as root it wantts apasswd |
| 07:08 | <Maulkin> | yes. |
| 07:08 | <berat> | and not log in |
| 07:08 | <Maulkin> | Log in from a shell. And type "passwd" |
| 07:08 | <berat> | ha ok |
| 07:08 | <Maulkin> | you can then set the password. |
| 07:09 | <berat> | ok |
| 07:09 | <berat> | thank you |
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| 07:09 | <mjk> | jm_: Hm, okay. |
| 07:09 | <Maulkin> | you also can't log in as root from gdm by default |
| 07:09 | <berat> | i knw that |
| 07:09 | <berat> | there is one problem |
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| 07:10 | <berat> | another problem i mean |
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| 07:15 | <lawnninja> | mjk: you still here? |
| 07:15 | <mjk> | lawnninja: Yep. |
| 07:16 | <lawnninja> | mjk: try this address for me |
| 07:16 | <lawnninja> | http://iliketo.servebeer.com:81 |
| 07:16 | <mjk> | lawnninja: The Show of Death! |
| 07:16 | <lawnninja> | shoe |
| 07:16 | <mjk> | lawnninja: Shoe, even |
| 07:16 | <lawnninja> | haha |
| 07:17 | <lawnninja> | and also this one |
| 07:17 | <lawnninja> | http://id.servebeer.com:81 |
| 07:17 | <mjk> | lawnninja: Bookmarks |
| 07:17 | <lawnninja> | I can't test it from inside my network |
| 07:17 | <lawnninja> | cool |
| 07:17 | <mjk> | lawnninja: :-) |
| 07:17 | <lawnninja> | those both point to my box |
| 07:17 | <lawnninja> | so virtual hosts are working |
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| 07:19 | <Kilwest> | i have php5 and php4 installed - from the command line php5 is used but i want php4 to be used... how can i change that? |
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| 07:20 | <berat> | !paste |
| 07:20 | <dpkg> | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 07:20 | <ben_goodger> | symlink /usr/bin/php to /usr/bin/php4 ? |
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| 07:20 | <ben_goodger> | berat: that's completely irrelevant |
| 07:20 | <berat> | whawhat |
| 07:21 | <witte> | !tell berat -about selftell |
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| 07:23 | <Eulex> | !tell Kilwest about alternatives |
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| 07:24 | <berat> | my screen slides the left |
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| 07:24 | <Kilwest> | cool thanks |
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| 07:25 | <berat> | i man it doesnt view correctly |
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| 07:25 | <ben_goodger> | berat: adjust your monitor |
| 07:25 | <berat> | what can i do |
| 07:25 | <berat> | i am not able to adjust |
| 07:25 | <valdyn> | !xvidtune |
| 07:25 | <dpkg> | [xvidtune] for tweaking your modeline timeings. This will prevent adjusting your monitor every time the mode changes. |
| 07:25 | <berat> | when i am clicking screen res |
| 07:25 | <berat> | it says there is a bug |
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| 07:25 | <valdyn> | !modeline |
| 07:25 | <dpkg> | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 07:26 | <valdyn> | berat: it doesnt 'say' anything. You can paste the actual message if you want any help. |
| 07:26 | <ben_goodger> | those links are both broken, ffs |
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| 07:27 | <berat> | the application gnome-display propertiesw has crashd |
| 07:27 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: are they? |
| 07:27 | <estefan> | ola a todos |
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| 07:27 | <ben_goodger> | valdyn: click them |
| 07:27 | <mjk> | !es |
| 07:27 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:27 | [~] | ben_goodger rolls eyes |
| 07:27 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: i did, both work |
| 07:28 | <ben_goodger> | valdyn: you don't get two 404s then? |
| 07:28 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: nope, i get the actual sites |
| 07:28 | <stew> | same here |
| 07:28 | <sep> | ben_goodger, works for me too |
| 07:28 | <ben_goodger> | obviously apache 1.3.34 has a module that allows it to present errors to some people and not others |
| 07:28 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: i doubt that |
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| 07:29 | <stew> | it does, but i doubt that is what is happening |
| 07:29 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: i doubt that that is used. |
| 07:29 | <sep> | ben_goodger, more likely it's your browser resolver proxy or PEBKAC |
| 07:29 | <ben_goodger> | I'm not running a proxy |
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| 07:29 | <ben_goodger> | I'm not using a proxy |
| 07:29 | <ben_goodger> | the 404s are from the server |
| 07:29 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: you dont need a module to have such a feature, its trivial cgi/php/whatever |
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| 07:30 | <A|yoq> | irem_06_yuqqqq:DD:D |
| 07:30 | <A|yoq> | hello |
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| 07:30 | <irem_06_yuqqqq> | :? |
| 07:30 | <sep> | ben_goodger, check that you didn't include the , in calc.html, |
| 07:30 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: you dont know if you are using a transparent proxy |
| 07:30 | <berat> | hmm |
| 07:31 | <ben_goodger> | valdyn: why would a transparent proxy alter the effects of a server? |
| 07:31 | <Maulkin> | ben_goodger: a transparent proxy can send back whatever it wants to. |
| 07:31 | <ben_goodger> | ah, by typing in the URL manually it works for some reason |
| 07:31 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: why would you conclude that? |
| 07:31 | <valdyn> | so you really just had a typo |
| 07:31 | <berat> | my my xorg.conf contains 1024*768 visual rate |
| 07:32 | <berat> | but |
| 07:32 | <ben_goodger> | ...no, I clicked on the link in xchat. it didn't include the , |
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| 07:32 | <berat> | when i clicking screen resolution from gnome menu |
| 07:32 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: run xvidtune till things fit, then add that modline properly to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:32 | <valdyn> | ben_goodger: ops |
| 07:32 | <valdyn> | berat: run xvidtune till things fit, then add that modline properly to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:32 | <berat> | it indicate 800 600 1152 1024 |
| 07:33 | <valdyn> | berat: so? |
| 07:33 | <soar> | hello everyone. How can I change preferred application from Abiword to openoffice.org when I open an attachment with .doc in Evolution. |
| 07:33 | <soar> | i use GNOME. |
| 07:34 | <valdyn> | soar: vi ~/.mailcap, i guess |
| 07:34 | <valdyn> | soar: man mailcap, see /etc/mailcap for the system-wide file |
| 07:34 | <ben_goodger> | soar: find a .doc file in the file browser, right click, select properties, select open with, choose abiword... if evolution is any good at all, that will do it |
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| 07:35 | <soar> | thanks |
| 07:35 | <soar> | I will try your suggestions at once. |
| 07:35 | <berat> | iti cant report the bug |
| 07:35 | <berat> | it says the product specify doesnt exist |
| 07:35 | <berat> | what does that mean ? |
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| 07:36 | <A|yoq> | irem_06_yuqqqq |
| 07:36 | <A|yoq> | küfür edekmi:d |
| 07:37 | <irem_06_yuqqqq> | :) |
| 07:37 | <irem_06_yuqqqq> | biliyon mu ki |
| 07:37 | <A|yoq> | sizin ben a.q |
| 07:37 | <irem_06_yuqqqq> | hiç |
| 07:37 | <irem_06_yuqqqq> | :D |
| 07:37 | <A|yoq> | ibneler sizi |
| 07:37 | <Maulkin> | erm... |
| 07:37 | <berat> | ne yani |
| 07:37 | <A|yoq> | hadi çýkalým |
| 07:37 | <Maulkin> | !tr |
| 07:37 | <dpkg> | somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 07:37 | <berat> | kufur ediyorsunuz da basiniz goge mi eriyor |
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| 07:37 | <berat> | hey |
| 07:37 | <berat> | this person swear to someone |
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| 07:39 | <ben_goodger> | wow, check out the diatrics on that |
| 07:39 | <berat> | http://picpaste.com/snapshot1.png |
| 07:40 | <berat> | pls someone look at that |
| 07:40 | <ben_goodger> | it's a picture of the debian pastebin. hooray |
| 07:41 | <berat> | sırry |
| 07:41 | <soar> | ben_goodger, thanks. Your solution is simple and clear. I get it done as I expected. |
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| 07:41 | <berat> | thats to weird |
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| 07:42 | <berat> | i pictured my desktop with ksnapshot |
| 07:42 | <ben_goodger> | soar: you're very welcome |
| 07:42 | <berat> | that normal view |
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| 07:42 | <aricz> | Hello, anyone know which file the font gets set up at startup? |
| 07:42 | <berat> | but now my screen slided to left |
| 07:43 | <ben_goodger> | aricz: if you mean "where are the fonts put", it's /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 07:44 | <aricz> | ben_goodger : no, when debian boots, it sets the font at the end of the initializing .. I'm just wondering which file it is (I want to change the font it loads) |
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| 07:45 | <ben_goodger> | oh, I see |
| 07:45 | <ben_goodger> | that's what I suspected |
| 07:45 | <ben_goodger> | and I haven't a clue, I'm afraid |
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| 07:46 | <aricz> | oki |
| 07:48 | <Kilwest> | i need to recompile my php cli binary with postgres support - how do i do this? :s |
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| 07:50 | <gsimmons> | Kilwest: You shouldn't be required to. Just install the relevant 'php(4|5)-pgsql' package. |
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| 07:50 | <witte> | Kilwest: does the output of "apt-cache search postgres|grep php" help |
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| 07:51 | <Kilwest> | i will try that now gsimmons |
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| 07:52 | <Kilwest> | gsimmons: thanks that worked |
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| 08:25 | <masteraccurate> | hi there! I am searching for debian woody iso cd 1... where can i get it? |
| 08:25 | <gsimmons> | !woody |
| 08:25 | <dpkg> | it has been said that woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
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| 08:26 | <masteraccurate> | cool... thx :) i love you! |
| 08:26 | <witte> | masteraccurate: can i ask you why you would need woody? |
| 08:26 | <masteraccurate> | my old cd is broken... |
| 08:26 | <masteraccurate> | :( |
| 08:27 | <witte> | masteraccurate: why don't you run a newer version of debian? |
| 08:27 | <masteraccurate> | but i just have sarge and etch, too |
| 08:27 | <witte> | ok, but sarge is also old, but you do whatever you want :-) |
| 08:27 | <masteraccurate> | :) |
| 08:28 | <masteraccurate> | i think woody is better than sarge and etch!! |
| 08:28 | <masteraccurate> | ':-/ |
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| 08:28 | <masteraccurate> | the installing and configuring routines are better in woody |
| 08:28 | <rhoruns> | hey, how do i create a mount point? |
| 08:29 | <witte> | masteraccurate: it is very stable: *nothing* is changing there :-) |
| 08:29 | <witte> | rhoruns: "mkdir whatever" |
| 08:29 | <rhoruns> | oh ok |
| 08:29 | <masteraccurate> | if you say so |
| 08:29 | <witte> | masteraccurate: but also no security updates |
| 08:30 | <witte> | but as I said before, you use whatever you want |
| 08:30 | <masteraccurate> | with woody i dont have so many problems like with sarge or etch |
| 08:30 | <masteraccurate> | woody was better to controlling the installation like in newer versions |
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| 08:31 | <witte> | masteraccurate: I never used woody (back then i used red hat/fedora, and i started only with debian sarge (then testing) |
| 08:32 | <masteraccurate> | than you must test woody... its really good i mean |
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| 08:32 | <masteraccurate> | in sarge and etch you have more to search for to do not something false |
| 08:34 | <witte> | masteraccurate: i will keep it in mind, but i am a bit afraid of hardware support. My hardware is not that new, but new compared to woody ... |
| 08:34 | <masteraccurate> | i had try to install rpm on etch... but i dont know why it dont like to be installed? |
| 08:34 | <valdyn> | !woody |
| 08:34 | <dpkg> | i heard woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 08:34 | <masteraccurate> | yes ok.... the hardwaresupport in woody is not the best... but you can get all what you need |
| 08:35 | <masteraccurate> | and a distribution upgrade from woody to sarge and to etch is possible too |
| 08:35 | <masteraccurate> | that i wanne do after i have installed and configured my system with woody |
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| 08:36 | <masteraccurate> | so i after configuration not have any problems like to install my system with sarge or etch |
| 08:36 | <witte> | masteraccurate: i think you will have less work when you start from etch rightaway |
| 08:36 | <masteraccurate> | etch is so controllless |
| 08:36 | <valdyn> | masteraccurate: you dont know what you are talking about |
| 08:36 | <valdyn> | masteraccurate: i suggest you read the install guide |
| 08:36 | <masteraccurate> | yes i had |
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| 08:36 | <masteraccurate> | but i am a hardcore console user |
| 08:36 | <Eulex> | and? |
| 08:37 | <masteraccurate> | ... N/C... have to work now |
| 08:37 | <Eulex> | you want just a console? no reason you can't get that with etch too. |
| 08:37 | <masteraccurate> | :) thank you for helping me |
| 08:37 | <masteraccurate> | no... not only console to work with |
| 08:37 | <masteraccurate> | but installation i am running with console |
| 08:37 | <Eulex> | yes? |
| 08:38 | <Eulex> | etch too. |
| 08:38 | <masteraccurate> | all other ways are shit... (sry) |
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| 08:38 | <fxiny> | etch installer is the best |
| 08:38 | <valdyn> | when debian has a graphical installer, there's people who complain, when there's a curses installer they complain that its not graphical. Even if the functionality is _EXACTLY_ the same ( and the interface quite similar ) |
| 08:39 | <JasonS> | valdyn: human nature |
| 08:39 | <fxiny> | true |
| 08:39 | <masteraccurate> | so now my problem: i had installed etch... and i wanted to install rpm over apt... but it diddnt work |
| 08:39 | <masteraccurate> | with sarge diddnt work to |
| 08:39 | <masteraccurate> | i know that with woody it works |
| 08:39 | <valdyn> | masteraccurate: that's a good thing |
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| 08:39 | <masteraccurate> | ... because i had do it so bevore |
| 08:40 | <witte> | sudo apt-get install rpm |
| 08:40 | <witte> | masteraccurate: just tried it, that works... |
| 08:40 | <witte> | on etch |
| 08:40 | <valdyn> | masteraccurate: unfortunately you can install rpms in sarge/etch too after you install 'rpm'. But its stupid to do so in any case. |
| 08:40 | <masteraccurate> | egal... forget me please :) |
| 08:40 | <masteraccurate> | yes.. you can isnstall rpm |
| 08:40 | <masteraccurate> | but it do not works after installation... why? |
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| 08:41 | <masteraccurate> | some error message only ... |
| 08:41 | <masteraccurate> | but now i dont know it |
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| 08:41 | <valdyn> | masteraccurate: rpms are not made for debian ever, same as .deb files are not made for fedora or rhel, ever. Isn't that obvious? |
| 08:41 | <masteraccurate> | i know but i need it |
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| 08:42 | <valdyn> | masteraccurate: nah, you dont, there's decent solutions to this |
| 08:42 | <masteraccurate> | my way out of the problem is to install at first woody.. than upgrade to sarge and etch... |
| 08:42 | <valdyn> | masteraccurate: maintaining 2 parallel possibly conflicing package / file databases is bad. |
| 08:42 | <Eulex> | masteraccurate, if you really really need to use an rpm in debian, pleeeaase use alien. |
| 08:42 | <fxiny> | ugrading woody from cd1 to sarge ? good luck ! |
| 08:43 | <masteraccurate> | and the second problem is: apt was working under woody very good.. what is now done with it? so shit i had never seen in my live.... i hate etch... (sry) but i love debian |
| 08:43 | <valdyn> | !tell masteraccurate -about ask |
| 08:44 | <stew> | masteraccurate: you'll have to get us specifics if you want help |
| 08:44 | <Eulex> | masteraccurate, you might want to state your exact problems so we could get a chance of helping you instead of saying that everything is crap. |
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| 08:45 | <masteraccurate> | if debian where on the wallstreet.. it wanne break down.,... :P |
| 08:45 | <masteraccurate> | since sarge and etch |
| 08:45 | <fxiny> | wall what ? |
| 08:45 | <masteraccurate> | no more problem.... i was just searching for woody cd1 :) now i have :) |
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| 08:46 | <masteraccurate> | i was only talking about what is going bad since sarge... |
| 08:46 | <fxiny> | nothing |
| 08:46 | <masteraccurate> | =) |
| 08:46 | <masteraccurate> | I LOVE YOU TOO |
| 08:46 | <masteraccurate> | <kiss> |
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| 08:46 | <stew> | masteraccurate: if you are having a problem you want help with. tell us specifically what is going wrong. if you are just here to complain, please just don't bother |
| 08:47 | <masteraccurate> | later... ok... but i have to download and install first woody on a server ... or i dont get my money for eat.. :) |
| 08:48 | <masteraccurate> | if i go this way i wanne die :( |
| 08:48 | <fxiny> | you'll go throgh the door if you insist on installing woody on a "server" |
| 08:48 | <fxiny> | through* |
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| 08:49 | <Eulex> | masteraccurate, woody is old and doesn't get security updates. |
| 08:49 | <fxiny> | that's it |
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| 08:49 | [~] | linux-fox happy |
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| 08:51 | <masteraccurate> | this is my way: install woody, install and configure the system and deamons, bugfixing, upgrading to sarge, configuring, bugfixing, upgrading to etch bugfixing.. then my system wanne work how i like to see it working with debian |
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| 08:51 | <valdyn> | hahahahha |
| 08:51 | <sep> | masteraccurate, you know. if you specified what software you needed rpm to install you might actualy get usefull hints on how to do it in a more sane way |
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| 08:51 | <masteraccurate> | i know.. thats a long way but the system wanne be more secure than install just etch |
| 08:51 | <valdyn> | masteraccurate: you cant be serious |
| 08:51 | <sep> | masteraccurate, most likely the deamon you install in woody wont work in etch becouse of newer kernels and libc |
| 08:52 | <masteraccurate> | not only rpm.. .but it was one of the problems i had with the installation |
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| 08:52 | <masteraccurate> | thats no problem.. i wanne upgrade the deamons too |
| 08:52 | <masteraccurate> | and kernels too |
| 08:52 | <masteraccurate> | one step by one... not all at once |
| 08:52 | <sep> | masteraccurate, then why not just install etch, then install the deamons. you make no sense at all |
| 08:53 | <Kilwest> | i appear to have broken my apache2 install - i did "apt-get remove php5-cli" because i only want to run php4, i reloaded the required packages but now i can't browse to the web server, although it is running |
| 08:53 | <Eulex> | ... at least he gets practice upgrading debian ... |
| 08:53 | <masteraccurate> | ... ok.. think some time back: when woody was newest version.... |
| 08:53 | <masteraccurate> | it was all working fine... |
| 08:53 | <sep> | masteraccurate, and you have not yet stated your problem with etch (that works on woody) |
| 08:53 | <sep> | masteraccurate, define "all" |
| 08:53 | <masteraccurate> | after it sarge was coming... i was upgrading my own server.. it was all fine... |
| 08:53 | <sep> | masteraccurate, again define "all" |
| 08:54 | <masteraccurate> | after that is now etch.. i was upgrading my own server.. and all works at best |
| 08:54 | <masteraccurate> | only with etch it do not works so fine |
| 08:54 | [~] | JasonS thinks masteraccurate should live up to thier nick more :) |
| 08:54 | <sep> | what is "it" |
| 08:54 | <stew> | masteraccurate: exactly what doesn't work? and how does it not work? do you get an error message? |
| 08:54 | <masteraccurate> | it: my system (debian system) |
| 08:55 | [~] | sep thinks masteraccurate is a troll. and goes home for dinner. |
| 08:55 | <stew> | masteraccurate: what about it doesn't work? |
| 08:55 | <masteraccurate> | uff.. its some time ago.. i just dont know what |
| 08:55 | <sep> | !don't work |
| 08:55 | <dpkg> | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 08:55 | <Kilwest> | is there anything more than the apache2 package i need to install? |
| 08:55 | <masteraccurate> | but there are many things |
| 08:56 | <stew> | masteraccurate: we need specifics if you want us to help you |
| 08:56 | <masteraccurate> | i wannte do some tests at home with my older servers.. than i can tell you.. but not now |
| 08:56 | <valdyn> | Kilwest: what is 'browse the webserver' ? You mean host/index.html, or some php or what? |
| 08:56 | <Kilwest> | hi valdyn: yes when i browse to it's IP it just 404's me |
| 08:57 | <masteraccurate> | i have to work now for money so that the server here wanne work at best and not with security problems aso. |
| 08:57 | <valdyn> | Kilwest: so there's no index.html |
| 08:57 | <Kilwest> | it was working before i started removing php5 |
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| 08:57 | <Kilwest> | apache2 is installed - the files are there.. they just don't display when i browse to them |
| 08:57 | <Kilwest> | so yes apache2-default/index.html exists |
| 08:58 | <valdyn> | Kilwest: read the apache2 log |
| 08:58 | <Kilwest> | where is that? :$ |
| 08:58 | <stew> | Kilwest: check /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 08:58 | <Kilwest> | ok :) |
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| 08:59 | <Kilwest> | ok the logs are indecating the changes i've made in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default are no longer working |
| 09:00 | <Kilwest> | the reason i made changes to it was for squiz.net CMS installation i'm working through |
| 09:00 | [~] | fxiny builds another small altar north to L.W. : TheAccuracy altar ... |
| 09:00 | <Kilwest> | the contents of the default folder are the same as on this page: http://www.code-poetry.com/2006/05/28/tutorial-step-by-step-setup-of-a-mysource-matrix-cms-on-a-blank-debian-31/ |
| 09:01 | <Kilwest> | default file* |
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| 09:02 | <fxiny> | code poetry ? it sounds familiar to me ... |
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| 09:06 | <Kilwest> | i'm just restarting apache2 with the old default file's contents to see what happens |
| 09:06 | <Kilwest> | ok it works again |
| 09:06 | <Kilwest> | i'll follow through this tut installation again xD |
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| 09:10 | <Kilwest> | just a quick question in relation to this /etc/apache2/sites-available/ folder |
| 09:10 | <Kilwest> | what is the "default~" file in there? |
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| 09:11 | <mikegrb> | the default vhost |
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| 09:11 | <Kilwest> | there was a "default" file and also a "default~" file |
| 09:11 | <mikegrb> | oh, that is from a text editor saving a backup |
| 09:11 | <Kilwest> | ah |
| 09:11 | <Kilwest> | can i remove it? |
| 09:12 | <mikegrb> | yes |
| 09:12 | <Kilwest> | hmm the ~ character doesn't come out right when i'm in terminal :s |
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| 09:12 | <Kilwest> | ah, tab :P |
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| 09:20 | <bighornram> | any information about ffmpeg, I'm getting dependency on libfreetype6 needs to be 2.3.5 but 2.2.1-6 is to be installed. |
| 09:20 | <bighornram> | using lenny |
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| 09:24 | <witte> | bighornram: i think that is a package of debian-multimedia, and not really part of debian |
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| 09:26 | <Kilwest> | i don't think my php is setup correctly in my apache2, how do i check that? |
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| 09:26 | <formorer> | <?php phpinfo() ?> |
| 09:26 | <bighornram> | hmm ok ~~ right on the debian-multimedia homepage ~~ 16/07/2007 : |
| 09:26 | <bighornram> | I did a mistake when ffmeg 3:20070710-0.0 has been added in testing. This package depends on the libfreetype6 2.3.5 unstable package. |
| 09:26 | <bighornram> | The only solution is to wait for this package (libfreetype6) in testing. |
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| 09:27 | <Kilwest> | i mean i know it's not working - where in the apache conf can i check? |
| 09:27 | <bighornram> | witte: thanks, I've been googling on and off for days but didn't find that. |
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| 09:27 | <witte> | no problem |
| 09:27 | <tlmiller> | Is there a way to get debian to tell me what a client is passing as a connection argument? I'm trying to use: if [ "$*" != "-c sftp-server" ]; then in a sftponly type shell but the WinSCP client chokes, presumeably because it is not passing -c sftp-server ? |
| 09:27 | <Kilwest> | maybe it's just the mime support |
| 09:27 | <gsimmons> | Kilwest: Ensure that you have the PHP4 module loaded ("a2enmod php4"), then restart your Apache server. |
| 09:28 | <gsimmons> | s/loaded/enabled/ |
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| 09:30 | <Kilwest> | gsimmons: i had ran the apt-get commands from the start of this tut: http://www.code-poetry.com/2006/05/28/tutorial-step-by-step-setup-of-a-mysource-matrix-cms-on-a-blank-debian-31/ |
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| 09:33 | <mjk> | Does cryptsetup/dm-crypt have any advantages over manual losetup (with twofish)? LUKS is not needed. Just need LVM on an encrypted device. |
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| 09:36 | <gsimmons> | Kilwest: Yes, you mentioned that about 30 minutes ago. It is strange that the guide doesn't mention to install 'libapache2-mod-php4'. |
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| 09:37 | <Kilwest> | ok thanks gsimmons that's what i'm getting down now |
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| 09:49 | <tmp> | i am install debian4 from net, after downloading appears window "printer setup error" and installation failed.. but I don't have a printer.What I should do to resume installation from the same point without having to download files again? |
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| 09:53 | <rmaj> | hello |
| 09:54 | <rmaj> | debian managed to remove own mount program |
| 09:54 | <rmaj> | making system unbootable, wtf |
| 09:55 | <GhostlyDeath> | a configure script gives me this "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables", am I missing any packages? |
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| 09:55 | <gsimmons> | !tell GhostlyDeath -about b-e |
| 09:56 | <rmaj> | how to install the /bin/mount ? |
| 09:56 | <spGrob> | hello i have some install trouble with deb, are the source.- list on the net-instal iso incorrect? |
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| 09:58 | <spGrob> | srry for the 'uggly' english :-) |
| 09:58 | <spGrob> | i using the stable version. |
| 09:58 | <GhostlyDeath> | gsimmons: your !tell solution has failed |
| 09:59 | <tmp> | spGrob debian 4? |
| 09:59 | <spGrob> | yes |
| 09:59 | <gsimmons> | GhostlyDeath: Pastebin the output you receive when attempting to compile. |
| 09:59 | <tmp> | he.. printer setup? |
| 09:59 | <spGrob> | ? |
| 09:59 | <tmp> | i have install problem too |
| 10:00 | <spGrob> | apt cant download packages. |
| 10:00 | <witte> | rmaj: /bin/mount is in the mount package |
| 10:00 | <spGrob> | i control the source.list, but it seems correct. |
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| 10:01 | <GhostlyDeath> | gsimmons: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=38693 |
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| 10:02 | <rmaj> | witte: but it insnt installed after apt-get install mount |
| 10:02 | <rmaj> | --reinstall |
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| 10:03 | <witte> | rmaj: mmm, strange, it should. Which debian are you running. |
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| 10:04 | <rmaj> | witte: testing |
| 10:04 | <gsimmons> | GhostlyDeath: And what are you trying to compile? |
| 10:04 | <GhostlyDeath> | wine |
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| 10:04 | <rmaj> | this is really dissapointing |
| 10:04 | <speed_dima> | who tar* |
| 10:05 | <witte> | rmaj: i have testing as well, and I have mount in /bin, just reinstalled it, and it is still there :-) |
| 10:05 | <witte> | rmaj: do you have a special architecture or so? |
| 10:05 | <francois> | Hello, how can I do an "apt-get install <package>" preventing it to auto-start the installed package (i would like to configure it manually first)? |
| 10:06 | <rmaj> | witte: no |
| 10:06 | <rmaj> | witte: remove it by hand and then see if reinstall fixes i |
| 10:06 | <rmaj> | it |
| 10:06 | <spGrob> | hello, is there any problem with debian 4.0 and the apt installer? i using the net-install iso. no package where downloaded. |
| 10:07 | <witte> | rmaj: do a "dpkg -l |grep mount" |
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| 10:07 | <rmaj> | witte: it is "ii" |
| 10:07 | <witte> | rmaj: well I appreciate my working system (I am at work, so i would rather not get a system without mount ;-) |
| 10:07 | <gsimmons> | GhostlyDeath: Do you have 'libc6-dev-i386' installed? |
| 10:07 | <witte> | yes, but which verison |
| 10:08 | <GhostlyDeath> | gsimmons: yes |
| 10:08 | <rmaj> | witte: so make a backup |
| 10:08 | <rmaj> | move the file |
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| 10:10 | <tmp> | spGrob with download using the net-install iso i have no problem |
| 10:10 | <witte> | rmaj: i did, and it works fine... |
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| 10:11 | <spGrob> | tmp, oh |
| 10:11 | <rmaj> | witte: it fails here |
| 10:11 | <rmaj> | witte: I think it happened when I installed loop aes |
| 10:11 | <rmaj> | and/or cryptomount |
| 10:11 | <witte> | rmaj: I have none of those packages |
| 10:11 | <rmaj> | this is a grave bug? when system removes own mount and then refuses to install it? |
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| 10:13 | <witte> | rmaj: yes, but not against mount i think, but the one that makes mount not install it |
| 10:13 | <witte> | rmaj: you can try to debug the install scripts of mount |
| 10:13 | <tmp> | i am install debian4 from net, after downloading appears window "printer setup error" and installation failed.. but I don't have a printer.What should i do to resume installation from the same point without having to download files again? |
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| 10:15 | <vto> | ? |
| 10:16 | <francois> | is it possible to install a package with apt-get without it doing the --configure? (to do later a dpkg --configure -a) |
| 10:18 | <carstenh> | francois: apt-get install -d package && dpkg --unpack package_....deb? |
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| 10:21 | <goatmale> | whats the command to delete directories? |
| 10:21 | <carstenh> | tmp: swich to a shell and try apt-get remove --purge '.*cups.*' |
| 10:21 | <carstenh> | rmdir or rm -rf |
| 10:22 | <goatmale> | i see i was doing rm -df |
| 10:22 | <goatmale> | tuanks |
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| 10:22 | <tmp> | carstenh thanks |
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| 10:23 | <gsimmons> | GhostlyDeath: You'd want to read <http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-7a277214ee284c1915cd6c431f6369cfcde97e3c>. |
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| 10:27 | <faderhval> | greetings... somethings off with my clock the config is set to GMT and the timezone is correct but im still 2 hours ahead on my clock? |
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| 10:28 | [~] | witte also want a computer that is ahead of its time :-) |
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| 10:29 | <witte> | faderhval: did you run ntpdate |
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| 10:29 | <tmp> | to setup 2 videocards enougth to edit x11 config file? |
| 10:30 | <witte> | tmp: yes |
| 10:30 | <faderhval> | no mom. |
| 10:30 | <tmp> | i should see 2 desktops? |
| 10:31 | <witte> | tmp: depends on how you configure it |
| 10:31 | <faderhval> | witte: No servers can be used exiting |
| 10:31 | <witte> | tmp: you also can have one big desktop spread over two screens |
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| 10:32 | <witte> | faderhval: you need to do ntpdate <ntpserver> |
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| 10:33 | <witte> | you can find servers here: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome |
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| 10:34 | <faderhval> | witte: thank you how do i copy/paste from xterm? |
| 10:34 | <witte> | !paste |
| 10:34 | <dpkg> | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 10:35 | <faderhval> | wasn't going wanted to copy the URL you send :) |
| 10:35 | <faderhval> | going to* |
| 10:36 | <witte> | you mean copy from a xterm to something else? select and middle mouse button? |
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| 10:38 | <faderhval> | yup.. thanks |
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| 10:44 | <faderhval> | i tried both the servers from my country but it still returns no server suitable for sync |
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| 10:47 | <Maulkin> | faderhval: try "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" |
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| 10:50 | <faderhval> | hep hep it worked |
| 10:50 | <faderhval> | thanks |
| 10:50 | <mosty> | does anyone know how to compile comedi-source? it doesn't work with module-assistant, and the comedi cvs does not compile either, i'm using kernel 2.6.21.5 on this particular machine |
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| 10:55 | <pablo_> | hola |
| 10:55 | <JasonS> | !br |
| 10:55 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 11:01 | <Cav_> | hi, i'm looking for some samba help, for some reason i cant connect to my samba server from another computer, yet it works fine testing it from the server itself. anyone have any experience or advice on this? |
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| 11:04 | <frank> | Cav_: do you have some iptables rules setup? do you use some hosts allow/deny in your smb.conf? do you use interfaces option? |
| 11:04 | <lkcl> | allo darlins. 5x sgi indy workstations available, 2x "indigo 2" workstations available, at my local shop here in holland. details here, if anyone's interested: http://advogato.org/person/lkcl/diary.html?start=417 |
| 11:04 | <frank> | how do you try to connect |
| 11:04 | <frank> | lkcl: this is not ebay |
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| 11:05 | <lkcl> | frank: you're absolutely right. and if i was interested in making money, i would be on ebay, wouldn't i? |
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| 11:07 | <JasonS> | lkcl: so instead you are a spammer here |
| 11:07 | <nathanv> | I'm wondering, is http://libmpeg2.sourceforge.net/ legal to redistribute without paying mpegla? |
| 11:07 | <JasonS> | !op lkcl is spamming hardware sales |
| 11:07 | <dpkg> | okay, JasonS |
| 11:07 | <JasonS> | !ops lkcl is spamming hardware sales |
| 11:07 | <dpkg> | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jasons complains about: lkcl is spamming hardware sales |
| 11:07 | <nathanv> | why is it in debian main? |
| 11:07 | <JasonS> | there thats better |
| 11:07 | <lkcl> | !op JasonS is assuming that i am spamming hardware sales |
| 11:07 | <dpkg> | lkcl: okay |
| 11:08 | <frank> | muhaha |
| 11:08 | <JasonS> | heh |
| 11:08 | <Myon> | lkcl: no messing with the bot please |
| 11:08 | <Myon> | dpkg: forget JasonS |
| 11:08 | <dpkg> | i didn't have anything called 'jasons' to forget, Myon |
| 11:08 | <juancgt> | is monitor mode allowed with the stock ipw2200 that comes with debian? |
| 11:08 | <Myon> | dpkg: forget op JasonS |
| 11:08 | <dpkg> | i forgot op jasons, Myon |
| 11:08 | <JasonS> | ahh :) |
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| 11:09 | |-| | lkcl kicked [#debian] zobel [play elsewhere] |
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| 11:09 | <Myon> | *sigh* |
| 11:11 | <Maulkin> | juancgt: works for me |
| 11:11 | <frank> | Cav_: no priv messages please |
| 11:11 | [~] | azeem wonders whether this was the real lkcl |
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| 11:12 | <Maulkin> | probably |
| 11:12 | <frank> | Cav_: how do you try to connect |
| 11:12 | <azeem> | oh, I didn't notice the advogato link until now |
| 11:13 | <Maulkin> | :) |
| 11:13 | <Cav_> | frank_: On OSx - connect to server in finder -> smb://servername |
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| 11:14 | <Cav_> | frank_: it was previously working, and all that was altered was some folder permissions in the samba share - and now it wont accept connections, refuses with 'name or password is not correct' |
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| 11:16 | <frank> | name or pw not correct sounds like "public = no" and you don't use the right credentials |
| 11:16 | <Cav_> | will check that now. |
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| 11:17 | <frank> | do you changed the public option lately? so maybe you didn't add a smbuser |
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| 11:18 | <Cav_> | i never changed it. how do you mean didnt add a smbuser? i already had it running on multiple users before |
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| 11:19 | <dasenjo> | Hi everybody, is there any problem with security.debian.org? |
| 11:19 | <frank> | if public is no you , anonymous access is denied and you must specify credentials, a smbuser != unixuser |
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| 11:20 | <dasenjo> | when I try to update it resolvs to 128.31.0.36 but I can't connect |
| 11:20 | <dasenjo> | update (apt-get update) |
| 11:21 | <Cav_> | yes, i have previously been logging in with various different smbusers, until it stopped working today |
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| 11:23 | <dasenjo> | nobody cares about security.debian.org? :o |
| 11:23 | <fxiny> | works here |
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| 11:23 | <dondelelcaro> | dasenjo: s.d.o is multiple machines. If it fails for you, try again. |
| 11:23 | <meandtheshel1> | anybody knows why http://sancho-gui.sourceforge.net/ isn't part of the official debian repos? |
| 11:23 | <dondelelcaro> | meandtheshel1: because no one has packaged it? |
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| 11:24 | <meandtheshel1> | dondelelcaro: maybe ... |
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| 11:25 | <Maulkin> | meandtheshel1: and the author doesn't want us to |
| 11:25 | <Maulkin> | "- no redist/pkging/mirrors pls" |
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| 11:25 | <dasenjo> | dondelelcaro, I know .. the (my) ping goes to another IP -> 212.211.132.250, but I think that there are problems in the 128.31.0.36 IP, whereever it is |
| 11:25 | <Maulkin> | And it's not open source |
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| 11:28 | <stew> | sf.net hosts stuff that isn't opensource? |
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| 11:28 | <Maulkin> | stew: seems to |
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| 11:28 | <stew> | http://sancho-gui.sourceforge.net/files/zdrd3nbyb68i/sancho-src.tar.bz2 |
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| 11:30 | <monra> | hello... i just installed apt-get install subversion |
| 11:30 | <monra> | but doesn't seem to find the command to run it? is it subversion? |
| 11:30 | <Maulkin> | meandtheshel1: svn |
| 11:30 | <stew> | and that source says "Common Public License" |
| 11:30 | <Maulkin> | monra: odd |
| 11:31 | <Maulkin> | gah |
| 11:31 | <Maulkin> | monra: "svn" |
| 11:31 | <Maulkin> | stew: odd |
| 11:31 | <monra> | yes! Just found it! sorry for wasting your time! |
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| 11:32 | <dondelelcaro> | stew: though the source is kind of odd as to what its license actuall is |
| 11:32 | <stew> | yes |
| 11:32 | [~] | Maulkin nods |
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| 11:32 | <Maulkin> | And the restriction on the downloads page puts it a bit at odds with the licence |
| 11:32 | <Maulkin> | meandtheshel1: Answer is probably "no-one cares enough to package it" |
| 11:33 | <dondelelcaro> | since it never actually says what license the code is under; it just talks about the licenses that other bits have |
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| 11:47 | <themill> | Ambiguous licences tend to put potential packagers off too. It's just not worth the heartache and the RC bugs :) |
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| 11:50 | <meandtheshel1> | Maulkin: was afk ... well, yes now I remember it was something with the license ... I got it running now for over a year or so and simply forgot but I remember I was thinking "Why isn't the best GUI on the net not officially packeged ..." a year ago as well. However, I got the current version running now ... maybe I care for packaging it .... first I've to investigate the license stuff. |
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| 11:50 | <meandtheshel1> | packaged* |
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| 11:53 | <pumpkin0> | Does chroot'ing into another /-dir reload everything except the kernel (libc6 & Co too) ? |
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| 11:53 | <dasenjo> | 128.31.0.36 is working for me again .. |
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| 11:55 | <bikedude880> | I'm looking for a PCMCIA wifi card with an external antenna that's compatible |
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| 11:56 | <bikedude880> | The G-band is preffered |
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| 11:58 | <bikedude880> | Any advice on a chipset I should look for? |
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| 12:03 | <faderhval> | does some one know how to switch between channels/query's in irssi the man doesn't tell me much |
| 12:03 | <JasonS> | faderhval: alt #key for me but it can vary, look on thier webpage |
| 12:04 | <petemc> | meta 1 - 10 / q - p |
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| 12:04 | <petemc> | or meta and arrow keys |
| 12:04 | <faderhval> | meta? |
| 12:04 | <petemc> | alt or esc |
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| 12:04 | <faderhval> | thanks |
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| 12:06 | <stew> | petemc: do you have a 10 key? :P |
| 12:07 | <petemc> | oh, heh |
| 12:07 | <faderhval> | hmm dosent worj |
| 12:07 | <faderhval> | work |
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| 12:07 | <JasonS> | faderhval: may depend on the term you are using |
| 12:08 | <faderhval> | xterm |
| 12:08 | <petemc> | hold down alt or esc, press the number corresponding to the window you want to go to |
| 12:08 | <Supaplex> | sounds terminal |
| 12:08 | <blarson> | control p / control n |
| 12:08 | <blarson> | or /win <number> |
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| 12:11 | <faderhval> | ctrl p/n works thanks |
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| 12:16 | <faderhval> | any suggestion on a nice text editor? |
| 12:17 | <witte> | faderhval: depends on what you want. I use emacs, and some people will say emacs is evil and you should use vi |
| 12:17 | <dasenjo> | jajaja |
| 12:17 | <witte> | faderhval: but kate and gedit normally do the trick and look more like things you are used to in windows... |
| 12:18 | <fxiny> | where the evil is ;) |
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| 12:19 | <witte> | faderhval: vi seems more used with sysadmins while emacs seems more used with programmers (but this is not a rule, just an observation of me :-)) |
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| 12:20 | <faderhval> | well i just need it to edit web pages php/html and such so anything basic with line indication and a search function really :) |
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| 12:26 | <Vakio> | faderhval: you have to set "meta sends escape" in xterm for alt to work in Irssi. |
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| 12:36 | <Aleric> | I just bought a webcam-- what is a good application to test it with? |
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| 12:37 | <tsai> | #vim |
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| 12:38 | <faderhval> | sigh... is there a hotkey or something for running an application instead of opening a term every time? |
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| 12:40 | <Waddledee> | faderhval: if you're using GNOME, I know you can create a button on the panel. What you describe is also probably possible, but I don't know how. |
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| 12:44 | <tsai> | help? using vim 7.1 and can't find my ~/.vimrc file to edit it. Any ideas? |
| 12:45 | <tsai> | i've don whereis .vimrc with no luck |
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| 12:48 | <seanius> | hey... any alsa gurus around? |
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| 12:51 | <fxiny> | real alsa gurus are silent most of the time or busy testing it |
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| 12:53 | <seanius> | :) i'm trying to find the magic asoundrc voodoo to let two apps access an input device at the same time |
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| 12:53 | <seanius> | i think it's a pcm.mixin + dsnoop thing, but haven't found the right settings yet |
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| 12:58 | <Icewind> | I can't watch Youtube videos |
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| 12:58 | <Icewind> | a bug is happening |
| 12:59 | <Icewind> | it begins never begins the download of the video |
| 12:59 | <Icewind> | ops |
| 12:59 | <Icewind> | it never begins* |
| 12:59 | <JasonS> | Icewind: thats a good thing not a bug ;) |
| 12:59 | <Icewind> | JasonS, WHY? |
| 13:00 | <Icewind> | ops caps lock |
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| 13:00 | <seanius> | Icewind: have you tried a newer version of flash? |
| 13:00 | <Icewind> | seanius, I downloaded this version today |
| 13:01 | <pumpkin0> | Icewind: which version is it ? |
| 13:01 | <Icewind> | I suppose that it's the last version |
| 13:01 | <Icewind> | pumpkin0, Is there a command to see it? |
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| 13:01 | <seanius> | did you downlaod the deb or install it from adobe's site? |
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| 13:02 | <Icewind> | seanius, I dowloaded the .tar.gz |
| 13:02 | <seanius> | anyway, going to about:plugins in fire^H^H^H^Hiceweasel will tell you which version you're using |
| 13:02 | <Icewind> | but it shows something in the screen |
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| 13:03 | <seanius> | i'm using Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 and it works for me |
| 13:03 | <fxiny> | r48 here |
| 13:04 | <Icewind> | flash player 9 |
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| 13:04 | <Icewind> | I downloaded it |
| 13:04 | <seanius> | Icewind: what does about:plugins say |
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| 13:05 | <Icewind> | seanius, it seems that there is not about:plugins |
| 13:05 | <pumpkin0> | Icewind: 9.0, r31, installed via apt, no problems. (installing .tar.gz's is a BAD idea) |
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| 13:05 | <Icewind> | pumpkin0, how do I uninstall it then? |
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| 13:06 | <pumpkin0> | Icewind: well, that is the big problem with tar.gz... try "make uninstall". |
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| 13:06 | <seanius> | pumpkin0: no, there's an "installer script" that you need to run, no makefile |
| 13:07 | <seanius> | Icewind: did you run the install script as root or the normal user |
| 13:07 | <SkuToV> | is anyone here having trouble installing Debian on their system? |
| 13:07 | <pumpkin0> | Icewind: oh. Well, you lost. |
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| 13:07 | <anyone> | no |
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| 13:07 | <fxiny> | hehehe |
| 13:07 | <SkuToV> | funny... |
| 13:07 | <pumpkin0> | !tell SkuToV about anyone |
| 13:08 | <SkuToV> | did anyone have problems when they were installing it on their system |
| 13:08 | <fxiny> | never had one |
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| 13:08 | <SkuToV> | well I doubt I'm going to find much help here |
| 13:09 | <seanius> | SkuToV: it would be helpful if you actually asked about your problem |
| 13:09 | <fxiny> | you will . be verbose :) |
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| 13:09 | <pumpkin0> | SkuToV: you are asking the wrong questions. There are people with all kinds of problems preventing them from installing. Which one is yours ? |
| 13:10 | <fxiny> | prolly the problem is your hardware |
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| 13:11 | <Icewind> | pumpkin0, it's apt-get install flash? |
| 13:11 | <Metalqga> | the most irritating one is grub failing to install, while other OSes manage to install it |
| 13:11 | <pumpkin0> | SkuToV: the last 3 i remember: to stupid to burn a iso, bad line causing corrupted iso's and failed HD. |
| 13:12 | <fxiny> | according to evil macrofleshia r31 is pretty buggy |
| 13:12 | <seanius> | fxiny: i assume bugginess as a constant with that stuff though |
| 13:12 | <pumpkin0> | Icewind: for stable, 32bit x86 ? flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 13:12 | <fxiny> | seanius: indeed :) |
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| 13:13 | <Icewind> | pumpkin0, nonfree? |
| 13:13 | <fxiny> | seanius: i care a split zero cause is 99% of the time disabled :) |
| 13:13 | <pumpkin0> | Icewind: or libflash-mozplugin (thats the free edition...) |
| 13:14 | <seanius> | Icewind: there are "Free as in speech" plugins too, but they're even buggier than macromedia/adobe's |
| 13:14 | <SkuToV> | ok, to be more specific- does anyone know if there is a soloution to a problem where; after the installer has done the "dectecting Hardware to find CD-ROM dirves" the system goes to a blank blue screen |
| 13:14 | <Icewind> | seanius, but talking about $ |
| 13:14 | <Icewind> | both are free? |
| 13:14 | <seanius> | personally, i use christian marillat's nonfree flashplugin package |
| 13:14 | <pumpkin0> | Icewind: cost = 0 for both. |
| 13:15 | <seanius> | Icewind: they're all at least "free as in beer" |
| 13:15 | <seanius> | "as in free beer" |
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| 13:15 | <pumpkin0> | SkuToV: did you verify the iso before burning them ? |
| 13:15 | <seanius> | SkuToV: are your drives pata/sata |
| 13:15 | <fxiny> | seanius: i am a member of the same church : Saint Marillat On The Rocks |
| 13:15 | <pumpkin0> | SkuToV: which iso did you use ? |
| 13:16 | <Icewind> | I'm thinking that I destroyed my browser... |
| 13:16 | <seanius> | and is it relatively recent (12-18 months) hardware? |
| 13:16 | <fxiny> | i'm nearly blind tx to him ... |
| 13:16 | <Metalqga> | my pc case is 10 yrs old |
| 13:17 | <fxiny> | mine is younger : just 9 |
| 13:17 | <Metalqga> | ;p |
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| 13:18 | <fxiny> | i cannot open it without a forklift |
| 13:18 | <seanius> | Icewind: you should answer some of the questions i asked you earlier |
| 13:18 | <pumpkin0> | How good is the powersaving (frequency reducing/voltage changing) for core2duos in recent kernels ? As good as the PentiumM support or still a bit unstable ? |
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| 13:19 | <seanius> | pumpkin0: i'm running unstable with core2duo's without too much trouble |
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| 13:20 | <Metalqga> | a hilarious fact: my fglrx drivers work only when the refresh rate is 75hz if you set any lower value most programs refuse to run with floating point exception |
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| 13:21 | <fxiny> | lower will kill your eyes anyway |
| 13:21 | <Metalqga> | you are speechelss |
| 13:21 | <Metalqga> | lcd? |
| 13:21 | <fxiny> | lcd ? |
| 13:21 | <Metalqga> | yes |
| 13:23 | <pumpkin0> | seanius: i'm thinking about building a new PC. As silent as possible in openoffice but still powerful. currently i undervolt and underclock a pentiumM to get a silent PC... but the C2D's are nice... |
| 13:23 | <Metalqga> | buy a bigger heatsink |
| 13:23 | <Metalqga> | and slower fan |
| 13:23 | <fxiny> | a fanless one ? |
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| 13:23 | <Metalqga> | actually you can adjust the speed in most cases |
| 13:24 | <pumpkin0> | fxiny: currently i'm fanless in openoffice/surfing... that is the goal for the new one too. |
| 13:24 | <Metalqga> | if you are lucky your kernel not to tell you pw is disabled because of broken bios defaults |
| 13:24 | <fxiny> | i've seen a very small fanless box |
| 13:24 | <seanius> | i've heard the trick is really big slow fans |
| 13:25 | <pumpkin0> | fxiny: something with power on demand, please. |
| 13:25 | <Metalqga> | seanius thats right |
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| 13:25 | <simon444> | hi |
| 13:25 | <Metalqga> | buy a mobile cpu and stick it to a pc mobo |
| 13:25 | <fxiny> | pumpkin0: that's why i still using my old PII , i have a fat stupid noisy 3G xeon : i hate it ! |
| 13:25 | <pumpkin0> | seanius: big & slow plus the right hardware plus the right settings and driver. The problem are the drivers. |
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| 13:26 | [~] | seanius just saw a thread at https://secure.sccs.swarthmore.edu/pipermail/slug/2007-July/006671.html that might be of interest |
| 13:26 | <pumpkin0> | Metalqga: that limits the motherboard choice a lot. |
| 13:26 | <simon444> | I am new around here |
| 13:26 | <simon444> | do I get added to the topic? |
| 13:26 | <Metalqga> | well openoffice isnt picky with mobos |
| 13:26 | <Metalqga> | no |
| 13:26 | <walter07> | helo |
| 13:27 | <pumpkin0> | simon444: there are no people in the topic... |
| 13:27 | <pumpkin0> | Metalqga: yes, but i'm... |
| 13:27 | <simon444> | pumpkin0, lenny is |
| 13:27 | <simon444> | OOOH |
| 13:27 | <simon444> | whoops |
| 13:27 | <pumpkin0> | simon444: lenny is a debian version.... |
| 13:27 | <walter07> | i am love debian |
| 13:27 | <walter07> | xD |
| 13:27 | <simon444> | yeah I realized that |
| 13:28 | <simon444> | walter07, I am in fear of debian |
| 13:28 | <Metalqga> | you can try with dry ice if you dont mind recharging it every 5 minutes and the cold mist around your pc ;d |
| 13:28 | <pumpkin0> | simon444: why ? It is totaly harmless unless you install it... |
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| 13:28 | <simon444> | pumpkin0, I installed it 8 years ago and have been actively using it |
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| 13:29 | <Metalqga> | and still scared? |
| 13:29 | <pumpkin0> | Metalqga: i was thinking about a TNN300 case, a C2D Txxxx and a laptop-479 motherboard. But that would cost a bit too much. |
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| 13:29 | <zeph> | Bonsoir |
| 13:29 | <fxiny> | hd overheating is my main concern : adding two more fan will drive me crazy |
| 13:29 | <zeph> | !fr |
| 13:29 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:30 | <pumpkin0> | fxiny: i boot fom CF, mount the /home via network. So i don't have that problem... |
| 13:30 | <simon444> | Metalqga, yes I still get those pesky porn popups in lynx |
| 13:30 | <Metalqga> | fxiny do you have a floppy below your hdd? |
| 13:30 | <fxiny> | pumpkin0: nice shot ! |
| 13:31 | <fxiny> | Metalqga: is on top |
| 13:31 | <Metalqga> | if they are touching just remove the floppy |
| 13:31 | <Metalqga> | when i removed mine the temperatura fell greatly |
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| 13:33 | <simon444> | simon444, did I tell you I am a fundamentalist al-Bush Muslim? |
| 13:33 | <Metalqga> | !bot |
| 13:33 | <dpkg> | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 13:33 | <fxiny> | never heard politics sucks ? |
| 13:33 | <fxiny> | really sucks ! |
| 13:33 | <Metalqga> | what made you come to this conclusion |
| 13:34 | <Metalqga> | which is always right ... ;D |
| 13:34 | <simon444> | !tell Metalqga about the iPhone |
| 13:35 | <simon444> | !tell Metalqga about iPhone |
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| 13:35 | <Metalqga> | i hate overpriced junk |
| 13:35 | <fxiny> | hahaha : iPhone customrers are so stuoid apple is planning to charge 5$ just to get into the shop . hahahah |
| 13:36 | <simon444> | !the iPhone is a phone made by Apple and can be used to browse http://debian.org |
| 13:36 | <dpkg> | simon444: okay |
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| 13:36 | <simon444> | !tell Metalqga about the iPhone |
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| 13:36 | <Metalqga> | it must be in a private chat with the bot for tell to work |
| 13:36 | <simon444> | okay I am going to shutup since I am stupid and can't get dpkg the bot work |
| 13:36 | <fxiny> | i read today about a hack to run ssh on iPhone |
| 13:37 | <simon444> | fxiny, I have debian running on the iPhone |
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| 13:37 | <Metalqga> | i have a debian running on my toaster |
| 13:37 | <simon444> | OMG |
| 13:37 | <simon444> | Metalqga totally offended me |
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| 13:37 | <simon444> | Metalqga, mind not showing off your knowledge in front of the stupid |
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| 13:38 | <Metalqga> | what about: fxiny hahaha : iPhone customrers are so stuoid apple is planning to charge 5$ just to get into the shop . hahahah |
| 13:38 | <fxiny> | simon444: that's ok . thats' ok , you tell the magic word and i will be with you |
| 13:38 | <Maulkin> | dpkg: forget the |
| 13:38 | <dpkg> | i forgot the, Maulkin |
| 13:38 | <Maulkin> | Right. 1) The apple thing is from a SPOOF site. |
| 13:38 | <simon444> | is fxiny also a bot? when did this happen? |
| 13:38 | <Maulkin> | 2) Stop abusing the bot and filling it with useless stuff |
| 13:38 | <fxiny> | simon444: i don't rulez |
| 13:38 | <fxiny> | dpkg rulez |
| 13:38 | <dpkg> | Yeah, I do, don't I? |
| 13:39 | <Maulkin> | 3) Please keep this channel on topic. |
| 13:39 | <fxiny> | lovely lovely : i love it ! |
| 13:39 | <simon444> | dpkg, what is the topic? |
| 13:39 | <dpkg> | simon444: what are you talking about? |
| 13:39 | <simon444> | dpkg, the iPhone |
| 13:39 | <Maulkin> | For off topic stuff, go to #moocows. This includes random talk about iPhones, and non debian related discussions |
| 13:39 | <simon444> | Guess the topic is the iPhone! |
| 13:39 | <Metalqga> | btw maulkin thanks for the forget command |
| 13:40 | <simon444> | dpkg said so |
| 13:40 | <dpkg> | Why, so I did. |
| 13:40 | <simon444> | LOL |
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| 13:40 | <Metalqga> | dpkg i love you |
| 13:40 | <dpkg> | I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/ |
| 13:40 | <simon444> | Maulkin, okay I will leave. I will come back when I am less drunk |
| 13:40 | <Metalqga> | ;D |
| 13:40 | <Maulkin> | simon444: good idea. Thanks. |
| 13:41 | <simon444> | dpkg, join me in #moocows |
| 13:41 | <d2kx> | hi everyone. i wanted to set up a new debian sid, but first testing system with kde and dled the newest daily netinst and passed "installgui tasks="kde-desktop, standard" with it, but it installed KDE AND Gnome. anyone knows why? I don't want Gnome |
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| 13:42 | <Metalqga> | smells like a bug |
| 13:42 | <Maulkin> | simon444: it won't, it's a bot |
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| 13:42 | <fxiny> | two deskenv ? a fat bug |
| 13:43 | <d2kx> | i read somewhere that "standard" as a task installs gnome. would it be possible to just tasks=kde-desktop? |
| 13:43 | <simon444> | d2kx, sounds like a conspiracy |
| 13:43 | <dondelelcaro> | d2kx: yes, that'd work too. |
| 13:43 | <Maulkin> | d2kx: standard includes gnome IIRC. Just use kde-desktop |
| 13:43 | <d2kx> | ok thx for your help, i will try it in a few minutes |
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| 14:04 | <Metalqga> | pumpkin what was your cpu? |
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| 14:05 | <pumpkin0> | Metalqga: current ? PentiumM 725 |
| 14:06 | <Metalqga> | isnt m a mobile? |
| 14:06 | <pumpkin0> | Metalqga: yes. I have a thinkpad R51 running fanless... |
| 14:07 | <Metalqga> | but you want more processing power |
| 14:07 | <pumpkin0> | Metalqga: there was no option to get a fast, fanless, desktop-style PC at that time... now with the C2D it may be possible. |
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| 14:08 | <Metalqga> | look at amd too |
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| 14:09 | <Metalqga> | cool and quiet working well |
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| 14:10 | <pumpkin0> | Metalqga: can you get a Turion X2 in a desktop ? |
| 14:11 | <lontra> | what package would i need to install for temperature sensors? |
| 14:11 | <pumpkin0> | lontra: which sensors on which hardware ? |
| 14:12 | <lontra> | pumpkin0: that's a good question ... the overall heat of my laptop |
| 14:12 | <pumpkin0> | lontra: intel or amd ? |
| 14:12 | <Metalqga> | lm-sensors |
| 14:12 | <lontra> | pumpkin0: intel dual core |
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| 14:13 | <Metalqga> | pumpkin0 i dont know |
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| 14:17 | <jla> | I'm getting a BADSIG error on the security updates from a couple different systems on different networks (but similar setups). Is anyone else having trouble getting the security updates lists via aptitude on etch? |
| 14:18 | <tcsetattr> | I just did a security update and it didn't complain (I didn't have to update any packages though) |
| 14:19 | <jla> | tcsetattr: thanks for checking. I'm running apt-proxy at both places, perhaps it's part of the problem. I'll try direct |
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| 14:19 | <S01aris> | hello |
| 14:20 | <tcsetattr> | oh, I didn't use aptitude though. |
| 14:20 | <tcsetattr> | checking... nope, aptitude update&&aptitude upgrade didn't complain either |
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| 14:22 | <jla> | I'm just doing aptitude update, so updating the package lists |
| 14:22 | <S01aris> | try : apt-get moo |
| 14:22 | <S01aris> | and after : aptitude moo |
| 14:22 | <S01aris> | enjoy :) |
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| 14:22 | <jla> | aptitude moo -v(and keep repeating with more v's) is fun |
| 14:23 | <S01aris> | who has a patch for debian "etch" for connection to internet under vpn |
| 14:24 | <seanius> | S01aris: you mean like openvpn? |
| 14:24 | <Metalqga> | do you know of a treminal that supports copy/paste shortcuts like ctrl+c |
| 14:24 | <seanius> | Metalqga: gnome-terminal does ctrl-shift-foo |
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| 14:24 | <S01aris> | microsoft vpn |
| 14:25 | <pumpkin0> | S01aris: OK, what is the difference ? |
| 14:25 | <seanius> | S01aris: i think the ms chap protocol is supported now |
| 14:25 | <Metalqga> | thx, I have never seen the preferences |
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| 14:26 | <stew> | S01aris: apt-cache show pptp-linux |
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| 14:26 | <S01aris> | tnx |
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| 14:28 | <seanius> | S01aris: if you're more of a gui guy, there's also network-manager plugins to do this iirc |
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| 14:29 | <seanius> | hrm, i don't see the network-manager-pptp plugin in debian now though, so maybe not |
| 14:29 | <S01aris> | but i have another situation |
| 14:29 | <S01aris> | connection to internet was estabilished |
| 14:30 | <S01aris> | but i can't send or receive data |
| 14:30 | <el_isma> | Hello. Is there any "easy" way to set up protection against brute force attacks on ssh? |
| 14:30 | <stew> | el_isma: install fail2ban |
| 14:30 | <seanius> | el_isma: apt-get install fail2ban :) |
| 14:30 | <S01aris> | but in ubutu i haven't this problem |
| 14:30 | <S01aris> | ubuntu :) |
| 14:31 | <seanius> | S01aris: how do you connect to the network in ubuntu? |
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| 14:31 | <S01aris> | first I install pptp-linux package |
| 14:31 | <el_isma> | thanks, stew, seanius |
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| 14:33 | <S01aris> | and next, i use connect script from my provider |
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| 14:34 | <S01aris> | sorry, bad english :) |
| 14:34 | <jafd> | Hello I'm trying to make my Xserver see my two keyboards, but evdev seems to jjust not work. |
| 14:35 | <Metalqga> | how do you use two keyboards? |
| 14:35 | <S01aris> | :) |
| 14:35 | <Metalqga> | just curious |
| 14:35 | <seanius> | S01aris: and the same process doesn't work under debian? |
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| 14:35 | <jafd> | Metalqga: one layout on one, and a couple others on another |
| 14:35 | <S01aris> | yes |
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| 14:36 | <tcsetattr> | do you also play the organ? |
| 14:36 | <seanius> | jafd: i plugin a second keyboard on my laptop all the time and never had to do anything about it |
| 14:36 | <jafd> | The trouble is, xev told me, that alphanumeric keys have their keysym set to 0. |
| 14:36 | <bzed> | !beer SixF9 |
| 14:36 | [~] | dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for SixF9 |
| 14:36 | <jafd> | seanius: yep, but what about having different sets of layouts on them? |
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| 14:37 | <seanius> | jafd: well since i only have two hands, i just run a keyboard layout applet to switch the layouts |
| 14:37 | <yeonhoo> | Question : is there a package to install C standard library?? |
| 14:37 | <jafd> | yeonhoo: libc6 it's called |
| 14:37 | <yeonhoo> | there is no standard library in this computer |
| 14:38 | <Metalqga> | gnome keyboard indicator |
| 14:38 | <SixF9> | !thank bzed |
| 14:38 | <dpkg> | SixF9: bitte |
| 14:38 | <SixF9> | heh |
| 14:38 | <yeonhoo> | jafd, thank you .. im going to install now |
| 14:38 | <seanius> | yeonhoo: you mean header files? |
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| 14:38 | <seanius> | libc6 is almost definitely installed already |
| 14:38 | <yeonhoo> | seanius, yes header like stdio.h string.h ... |
| 14:38 | <seanius> | yeonhoo: then you want libc6-dev |
| 14:39 | <seanius> | or better, build-essential |
| 14:39 | <seanius> | as it has a bunch of other stuff you probably want toto |
| 14:39 | <seanius> | too |
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| 14:39 | <yeonhoo> | seanius, thank you :)... and... one more thing what is difference between libc6 and libc6-dev? |
| 14:40 | <jafd> | seanius: but the problem however is that alphanumeric keys under evdev show me the finger (modifiers, escape and so on are ok) |
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| 14:40 | <seanius> | S01aris: two things i'd suggest: (1) looking in /var/log/syslog on each system for differences, and two, doing a diff of /etc/whatever |
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| 14:40 | <tcsetattr> | libc6 is the portion of the C Standard |
| 14:40 | <seanius> | jafd: sorry nothing to suggest :( |
| 14:40 | <stew> | jafd: libc6 is runtime lib6-dev is for compile time |
| 14:40 | <S01aris> | ok |
| 14:40 | <tcsetattr> | libc6 is the portion of the C Standard Library that you need to run programs; libc6-dev is the portion you need to compile them |
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| 14:40 | <seanius> | yeonhoo: usually libfoo-dev are the development header files for the foo library, if you want to build applications that link against lib foo |
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| 14:42 | <stew> | woops, i misfired |
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| 14:42 | <yeonhoo> | thank you all ... :) |
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| 14:44 | <Guest193> | Hi, i have a question about Debian, i have installed a stable etch and add testing dep in source.list, i have done an apt-update and an apt-upgrade and now... my x-session doesn't work ( loading nvidia module failed) anyone got an idea about this crash please ? |
| 14:44 | <Guest193> | sorry about my english :) |
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| 14:45 | <seanius> | Guest193: it might not help now, but you might want to read about apt "pinning" to prevent this from happening again |
| 14:46 | <Guest193> | oki i will search |
| 14:46 | <Guest193> | thanks =) |
| 14:46 | <grummund> | Perhaps i should just try both for myself... but anyone have views on OpenOffice Calc vs. Gnumeric ?? |
| 14:46 | <seanius> | Guest193: you might want to check the output of dpkg -l "linux-image*" and "nvidia*" |
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| 14:47 | <seanius> | i don't know if you installed the binary packaged version of the nvidia module or compiled it yourself from source |
| 14:47 | <Guest193> | the binary package |
| 14:47 | <Guest193> | nvidia-glx |
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| 14:48 | <Guest193> | i have to go thanks for information=) |
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| 14:51 | <jla> | my trouble must be something in apt-proxy. if I go direct it works fine. if I don't figure this out I may switch to using a 'normal' proxy |
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| 15:08 | <razor950> | hello |
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| 15:11 | <[meme]> | HELP: How can identify the character encoding of a file (UTF, ISO, etc...)... I have tried with the 'file' command with no success! |
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| 15:13 | <tcsetattr> | if the file doesn't tell you its format, you basically have to guess. |
| 15:14 | <[meme]> | :-( |
| 15:14 | <tcsetattr> | you can possibly rule out some possibilities - if it contains bytes or sequences that are meaningless in UTF-8 then it's not UTF-8 |
| 15:15 | <tcsetattr> | have you got a real tough one with no readable parts? |
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| 15:15 | <witte> | [neme] you can try the command "file filename" |
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| 15:15 | <witte> | [meme]: sorry, did not read your question |
| 15:15 | <[meme]> | I have already tried that command both will not give me if it is UTF8 or else! |
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| 15:16 | <tcsetattr> | why don't you tell us what file _does_ say |
| 15:16 | <[meme]> | manuel@eagle:~$ file -i wep.txt |
| 15:16 | <[meme]> | wep.txt: text/plain; charset=us-ascii |
| 15:16 | <tcsetattr> | and you disbelieve that it's ASCII? |
| 15:17 | <[meme]> | yes because I have used the following command |
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| 15:17 | <[meme]> | iconv -f ASCII -t UTF-8 wep0.txt -o wep.txt |
| 15:17 | <Sh3ytaN> | hi =) |
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| 15:19 | <tcsetattr> | what is it, some documentation about WEP? |
| 15:19 | <[meme]> | yes! |
| 15:19 | <ranix> | lol it doesn't matter what it is |
| 15:19 | <Sh3ytaN> | lol ;P |
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| 15:20 | <ranix> | the encoding is in the first 8 bytes of the file IIRC |
| 15:20 | <tcsetattr> | I ask because I thought it might be a WEP key, not in text format for some reason, which just happened to resemble ASCII in the first few bytes :) |
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| 15:20 | <ranix> | hm that is possible |
| 15:20 | <ranix> | [meme]: put a carriage return before the first character in the file with Vi, then use iconv on it and see what happens |
| 15:21 | <tcsetattr> | I suggest you just _look_ at the file with less and see for yourself what the non-ASCII bytes are. If they aren't utf8 the most likely answer is latin1 |
| 15:21 | <[meme]> | Ok! |
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| 15:22 | <[meme]> | With an Hex editor I know is possible to manually see what type of encoding it is, both I will like to have a script to do that for me! |
| 15:22 | <tcsetattr> | why's it so important? are the non-ASCII bytes preventing you from making sense of the document? |
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| 15:23 | <ranix> | character encoding is a funky business. I found that out when I was doing regex searches on korean documentation |
| 15:23 | <ranix> | don't expect it to be a science, [meme] |
| 15:23 | <ranix> | there's a human element involved |
| 15:23 | <[meme]> | I just downloaded the file: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 15:24 | <[meme]> | And !!!!! |
| 15:24 | <tcsetattr> | with a name like UTF-8-demo.txt, I'd expect it to be in utf8 |
| 15:24 | <razor950> | whats the best way to install the nvidia drivers? I was used to the module system but that seems to be gone and in 2.6.21 kernels there seems to be a guide but not for 64 bit users it seems |
| 15:24 | <[meme]> | manuel@eagle:~$ file -i UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 15:24 | <[meme]> | UTF-8-demo.txt: text/plain; charset=utf-8 |
| 15:24 | <[meme]> | Will give me the correct answer!!!!! :-) |
| 15:25 | <[meme]> | The problem is in the wep.txt file!!!!! :-( |
| 15:25 | <[meme]> | it is not UTF8 for sure! |
| 15:25 | <Hessophanes> | And what makes you believe that wep.txt is not plain ascii, as file says? |
| 15:25 | <tcsetattr> | you whine too much. GIve us a copy of the wep.txt file |
| 15:25 | <Hessophanes> | If wep0.txt was already plain ascii, your iconv command won't have changed a single bit. |
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| 15:26 | <[meme]> | manuel@eagle:~$ iconv -f US-ASCII -t UTF-8 wep.txt -o wep_utf8.txt |
| 15:26 | <[meme]> | manuel@eagle:~$ file -i wep_utf8.txt |
| 15:26 | <[meme]> | wep_utf8.txt: text/plain; charset=us-ascii |
| 15:26 | <Hessophanes> | As expected. |
| 15:27 | <jla> | maybe I'm not having an apt-proxy problem. I wget http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release & Release.gpg, and gpg --verify Release.gpg Release and that says the sig is bad |
| 15:27 | <tcsetattr> | you are way to freakin obsessed with iconv and file. Are you trying to solve an actual _problem_? is the file not readable to you with less? |
| 15:27 | <Hessophanes> | ASCII is a subset of utf8, and file will report the best match (the smallest subset) it can find. |
| 15:27 | <jla> | but when I put in the apt/sources to be security.debian.org instead of my proxy it doesn't complain. |
| 15:27 | <[meme]> | [hesso] perhaps you are correct!!!! |
| 15:28 | <matth__> | omg too much "!" for my eyes |
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| 15:28 | <tcsetattr> | so many excalamation points... I'm worn out. |
| 15:28 | <tcsetattr> | I can't take the excitement |
| 15:29 | <tcsetattr> | and the lack of answers to the most important questions (1. why are you doing this and 2. why don't you tell us where to get the file) |
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| 15:30 | <ranix> | he did link us to the file tc |
| 15:31 | <[meme]> | I have added to the wep.txt file somo accented characters an this is what happens! |
| 15:31 | <[meme]> | manuel@eagle:~$ file -i wep.txt |
| 15:31 | <[meme]> | wep.txt: text/plain; charset=utf-8 |
| 15:31 | <tcsetattr> | the UTF8 demo that wasn't his actual problem file? |
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| 15:31 | <ranix> | I thought that was the actual problem file |
| 15:31 | <[meme]> | you were right [hesso] !!!!! |
| 15:31 | <ranix> | at least he answered his question |
| 15:31 | <tcsetattr> | calm down!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN!!! |
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| 15:34 | <razor950> | hello |
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| 15:35 | <mango> | hi |
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| 15:37 | <Nyle> | what? |
| 15:37 | <Nyle> | hi |
| 15:37 | <mango> | hi, can anyone tell me why I can not log to free node any more using gaim |
| 15:37 | <mango> | Nyle: can you help at all |
| 15:37 | <mango> | I am currenly using xchat as a client to connect to this channel |
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| 15:38 | <Nyle> | mango: I don't use gaim sorry |
| 15:38 | <stephane> | comment changer la resolution d'ecran sur xfce ? |
| 15:38 | <Nyle> | !fr |
| 15:38 | <dpkg> | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:38 | <Nyle> | i think its french for you |
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| 15:39 | <mango> | Nyle: ok, how can I have my own username passwork on irc.freenode.net |
| 15:39 | <Nyle> | umm I think you must /nick your_desired_nickname_here |
| 15:40 | <Nyle> | then /msg nickserv register |
| 15:40 | <Nyle> | then /msg nickserv help register |
| 15:40 | <Ganneff> | you also want to move this to #oftc or #help if you need more :) |
| 15:40 | <mango> | thanks |
| 15:40 | <Nyle> | those are appropriate places to ask for irc help |
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| 15:41 | <Nyle> | mango: also google for 'how to use irc' |
| 15:41 | <mango> | Nyle: thanks |
| 15:41 | <Nyle> | sure |
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| 15:52 | <rjent> | Greetings, is anyone online who has input on the netinstall cd? |
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| 16:00 | <dondelelcaro> | rjent: almost anyone here has the potential to have input on it |
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| 16:03 | <witte> | !tell rjent about ask |
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| 16:17 | <bernardo> | How can I export my messages folder using Evolution? |
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| 16:20 | <bernardo> | anyone? |
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| 16:23 | <bernardo> | How can I export my messages folder using Evolution?? |
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| 16:23 | <jla> | bernardo: you might have better luck finding an evolution channel, list, user group or web site |
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| 16:28 | <bernardo> | ok...thx |
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| 16:32 | <Aleric> | What is a good application to trouble-shoot my webcam with? |
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| 16:32 | <Aleric> | I bought a new webcam, and the image is AWEFUL. |
| 16:32 | <pappanz> | hi. how can i play wmv/divx/xvid files in totem-xine? |
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| 16:34 | <Aleric> | pappanz: like any other file |
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| 16:35 | <pappanz> | Aleric: unfortunately i don't see anything. seems a problem of lacking of packages but i don't know what packages. |
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| 16:36 | <pappanz> | Aleric: moreover, the repository in my sources.list file doesn't show me any libxvidcore4 or w32codec packages |
| 16:37 | <pappanz> | and i don't know why |
| 16:38 | <pappanz> | Is there anyone who uses totem to play xvid/divx/wmv files? |
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| 16:38 | <Aleric> | ii libxvidcore4 2:1.1.2-0.1 |
| 16:38 | <Aleric> | It does here |
| 16:38 | <Aleric> | No w32codec though |
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| 16:38 | <pappanz> | is libxvidcore4 in non-free/contrib repo? |
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| 16:40 | <Aleric> | 990 http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing/main Packages |
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| 16:42 | <faderhval> | Evening people :) |
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| 16:51 | <pappanz> | no. i want a solution in the official repositories and possibly free. |
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| 16:54 | <jla> | does http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release verify with the Release.gpg file for others? I just checked http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release and that worked fine. I think there is a problem with the security release file |
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| 17:00 | <lawnninja> | logout |
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| 17:08 | <yudhisthira> | open terminal use apt-get or dselect |
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| 17:18 | <faderhval> | uhm.. guys :) how do i change the background in X ? |
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| 17:18 | <MoDaX> | faderhval: plain X? |
| 17:19 | <witte> | faderhval: which windowmanager are you using? |
| 17:19 | [~] | andrew Hopes its kde |
| 17:19 | <stew> | faderhval: man xsetroot |
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| 17:20 | <faderhval> | plain x with icewm |
| 17:21 | <streuner> | there are serveral background apps. |
| 17:21 | <streuner> | bgset is one, another is in "E" |
| 17:21 | <witte> | faderhval: did you consider looking at google? |
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| 17:22 | <streuner> | faderhval: look at icewm or fluxbox FAQ |
| 17:22 | <faderhval> | witte: i did search google i usually do before i ask anything in here :) |
| 17:22 | <streuner> | good :-) |
| 17:23 | <witte> | faderhval: ok, i typed the surprizing "icewm background" terms, and there are some references there ;-) |
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| 17:23 | <faderhval> | witte: i didnt know icewm handled the desktop bg so i plain tried "change desktop background debian" |
| 17:23 | <streuner> | http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ-8.html#ss8.2 |
| 17:24 | <streuner> | look harder next time :-) |
| 17:24 | <witte> | faderhval: if everyone would know what to google for, there would be no more questions for this channel ;-) |
| 17:25 | <faderhval> | hehe true :) |
| 17:25 | <faderhval> | streuner: thanks will do :) |
| 17:25 | <streuner> | :-) |
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| 17:28 | <Guest205> | hi guys, i just downloaded and am running debian etch live |
| 17:29 | <Guest205> | and was wondering if there is an easy way to actually install the distro via the live cd? |
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| 17:31 | <steini> | join #jruby |
| 17:31 | <stew> | Guest205: i'm pretty sure they decided they didn't want to add that, but you should ask in #debian-live |
| 17:31 | <Guest205> | ahh ok, thanks stew |
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| 17:35 | <juLoq> | Ahhh. |
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| 17:49 | <faderhval> | so i read the faq and found out i have to set DesktopBackgroundImage="image" in the config file but the preferences file is missing and im back where i startet |
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| 17:50 | <streuner> | so just try "bgset" or such |
| 17:50 | <streuner> | in xsession |
| 17:51 | <faderhval> | bgset does nothing |
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| 17:53 | <faderhval> | sorry got dc'ed |
| 17:53 | <streuner> | hm, i would try #icewm at FN then |
| 17:54 | <streuner> | if the FAQ didnt help |
| 17:54 | <faderhval> | i think i know what to do but how do i enter a hidden dir? |
| 17:54 | <streuner> | Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 17:54 | <streuner> | #icewm 8 http://icewm.org/FAQ/ || 1.2.30 || b0rked: translations (!help!),* End of /LIST |
| 17:55 | <streuner> | no idea about icewm |
| 17:55 | <streuner> | sorry |
| 17:55 | <witte> | faderhval: can't you make the preference file with an editor? |
| 17:55 | <streuner> | it shouldnt be too complicated to use a bg in icewm |
| 17:55 | <faderhval> | witte: yeah but i think i misread the faq i have to change the theme config file which is in /.icewm but i dont know how to access it :) |
| 17:56 | <faderhval> | streuner: i dont think it is its just me being slow in the noggin :S |
| 17:57 | <streuner> | well, use some other WM then |
| 17:57 | <streuner> | which just works |
| 17:57 | <streuner> | there are many out there |
| 17:57 | <witte> | faderhval: it will be in ~/.icewm/ |
| 17:57 | <witte> | faderhval: which is /home/username/.icewm/ |
| 17:57 | <faderhval> | i know but i cant access .icewm it says no such catalouge |
| 17:58 | <faderhval> | sorted nevermind me just being a retard... |
| 17:58 | <witte> | faderhval: you can make it... |
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| 18:00 | <witte> | faderhval: but if you just light window manager, that is also easy to start with, try xfce |
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| 18:01 | <faderhval> | how do you change window manager? |
| 18:02 | <streuner> | apt-get install? |
| 18:02 | <faderhval> | will it just override icewm? |
| 18:02 | <streuner> | change "exec <some-WM>" into xsession |
| 18:02 | <witte> | faderhval: how do you start X.? if you use gdm, kdm or wdm (you see a graphic login screen), you can change it there |
| 18:02 | <streuner> | !xsession |
| 18:02 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 18:03 | [~] | streuner hopes that factoid "WM" isnt totally fucked up... |
| 18:03 | <streuner> | !wm |
| 18:03 | <dpkg> | from memory, window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 18:03 | <witte> | faderhval: probably you want to install gdm and xfdesktop4 |
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| 18:04 | <witte> | faderhval: and nothing will be overwritten, you can each session choose what to use... |
| 18:04 | <faderhval> | hmm i startx from commandline |
| 18:04 | <streuner> | so just use "exec foo-WM" in xsession |
| 18:05 | <witte> | s/xfdesktop4/xfce4 |
| 18:06 | <faderhval> | right will try that... right away :) |
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| 18:07 | <twb> | Does debconf have a "home page"? |
| 18:07 | <iG|Arsenic> | Hello |
| 18:07 | <iG|Arsenic> | Hello |
| 18:07 | <iG|Arsenic> | I need help installing PHP onto my debian dedicated server |
| 18:07 | <twb> | debconf the database, not debconf the convention |
| 18:07 | [~] | streuner guess NOT |
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| 18:07 | <iG|Arsenic> | I can't seem to upgrade to Apache 2, instead i am running Apache 1.3 and need to know how to install PHP onto it. |
| 18:07 | <iG|Arsenic> | Is there a complete system i can install? |
| 18:08 | <twb> | iG|Arsenic: aptitude install php4 |
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| 18:24 | <faderhval> | so... i got xfdesktop4 working.. only one slight problem i cant move the windows and the frames around them are gone ? is this how it should be? |
| 18:25 | <twb> | Sounds like the WM crashed |
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| 18:25 | <witte> | faderhval: did you install xfdesktop4 or xfce4 as i later corrected? |
| 18:26 | <witte> | or both :-) |
| 18:26 | <faderhval> | xfdesktop4 -.- |
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| 18:26 | <faderhval> | brb ^^ |
| 18:26 | <twb> | Isn't xfdesktop4 just the root window voodoo? |
| 18:27 | <twb> | I think you should be booting xfce4-session or something |
| 18:27 | <witte> | twb: don't really know, that is teh thing my girlfriend uses |
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| 18:31 | <faderhval> | voila its working Domo Arigato everyone :) |
| 18:32 | <faderhval> | (thanks) |
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| 18:35 | <lymeca> | Is there a way I can list the packages I have installed according to how much space their content's take up? |
| 18:36 | <twb> | Yes. |
| 18:36 | <twb> | It's an example in the grep-dctrl manpage |
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| 18:39 | <witte> | twb: wow, totally was not aware of that program! will have to check it out later |
| 18:46 | <Samooka> | evening guys... Alsa stopped finding my soundcard after I recompiled the kernel. Can anyone offer tips? |
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| 18:48 | <witte> | Samooka: nothing in dmesg? is it recognized by lspci? |
| 18:49 | <Samooka> | witte: yes, lspci does find the card... the modules also unload and load cleanly with modprobe, but they msg 'no soundcards found' more often than not. |
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| 18:49 | <Samooka> | witte, yes, lspci does find the card... the modules also unload and load cleanly with modprobe, but they msg 'no soundcards found' more often than not. |
| 18:49 | <witte> | Samooka: if you know the module, maybe you can check /boot/config if it is still there |
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| 18:49 | <witte> | ah, ok |
| 18:49 | <witte> | in that case i can offer no insight :-) |
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| 18:50 | <witte> | Samooka: it does work from a stock kernel? |
| 18:51 | <Samooka> | I don't know. I have been using custom kernels since installation back a couple of years |
| 18:51 | <Samooka> | witte: I just recompiled the kernel to add Bluetooth support |
| 18:51 | <Samooka> | witte: and all of a sudden, the soundcard stopped working |
| 18:52 | <Samooka> | witte: the strange thing is, if I modprobe -r / modprobe a couple of times, it will eventually work as is |
| 18:52 | <Samooka> | witte: and I can't trace the root of the issue |
| 18:52 | <witte> | Samooka: did you also include a bluethooth sound card or soemthing? |
| 18:53 | <Samooka> | no, but I did hook a bt usb dongle (by the way not working - yet!) |
| 18:53 | <Samooka> | witte: I kept my old kernel configuration, only changing the bluetooth bits. |
| 18:53 | <witte> | Samooka: I would say, try a stock kernel, bluethooth should be in it i think, so... |
| 18:54 | <twb> | Where can I read more about pre-seeding the answers to debian-installer questions? |
| 18:55 | <witte> | twb: in the installation guide? |
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| 18:55 | <Samooka> | witte: I read in the ALSA wiki that the 2.6 kernels already have ALSA included. How do I know if I'm using the kernel drivers or the older ones I downloaded when I had a 2.4 kernel? |
| 18:56 | <twb> | Oh, I didn't expect it to cover that |
| 18:56 | [~] | twb looks |
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| 18:56 | <Samooka> | witte: (I did recompile the modules, but I am trying to save myself from doing it again) |
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| 18:57 | <witte> | Samooka: euhm, i do not know :-) |
| 18:57 | <witte> | Samooka: which kernel do you use? |
| 18:57 | <Samooka> | 2.6.14 |
| 18:57 | <twb> | My kernel has RACING STRIPES! |
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| 18:58 | <frank> | what color? |
| 18:58 | <witte> | Samooka: in stable there is at least 2.6.18 (maybe for bt compability, it is better to have a recent one?) |
| 18:58 | <eurisko> | hi everyone, i have debian testing, my /etc/X11/xorg.conf describes screen resolution as 1280x800, but i am almost sure the resolution is lower than that!How can i confirm the resolution i am using now? |
| 18:58 | <twb> | it's invisible, and pink |
| 18:59 | <eurisko> | i forget, intel gma 950 |
| 18:59 | <eurisko> | but i don't see the i810 loaded! |
| 18:59 | <frank> | pink, hm |
| 19:00 | <witte> | Samooka: which system are you running, because 2.6.14 does not really work with udev if i am correct, so that would mean sarge? |
| 19:00 | <Samooka> | witte: yes I guess mine is sarge |
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| 19:01 | <witte> | Samooka: consider upgrading to stable |
| 19:01 | <frank> | eurisko: take a look at your xorg log, somewhere in it the chosen resolution is printed |
| 19:01 | <witte> | !tell Samooka about sarge->etch |
| 19:02 | <Samooka> | witte: here's an excerpt from my sources.list |
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| 19:02 | <witte> | !paste |
| 19:02 | <dpkg> | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 19:02 | <Samooka> | witte: deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 19:02 | <witte> | Samooka: if you are running amd64, you should certainly upgrade to etch, since in sarge that was not yet officially supported if I am correct |
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| 19:03 | <witte> | Samooka: since etch amd64 is an official port of debian |
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| 19:04 | <chealer> | eurisko: $ xdpyinfo |
| 19:04 | <Samooka> | witte: ... ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but I would just change "sarge" to "etch" in that line and run apt-get upgrade? |
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| 19:04 | <witte> | Samooka: no read what dpkg told you |
| 19:05 | <witte> | !tell Samooka about release notes |
| 19:05 | <Samooka> | witte: sorry. Just saw the dpkg window |
| 19:05 | <eurisko> | yup, is 1024x768 :( |
| 19:06 | <eurisko> | i am almost sure everything is right, but X takes lots of warnings regarding the bios of the graphic card |
| 19:06 | <twb> | Stupid non-breaking spaces |
| 19:06 | <witte> | Samooka: and your sources.list will change more than only the sarge to etch, as you now probably want to use an official repository |
| 19:06 | <twb> | They make the manuals look ugly. UGLY I TELL YOU! |
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| 19:08 | <eurisko> | (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name) |
| 19:08 | <eurisko> | (--) I810(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024) |
| 19:09 | <eurisko> | does this mean anything special at all? |
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| 19:09 | <chealer> | eurisko: what do you mean? |
| 19:09 | <twb> | It means you provided dumb modelines |
| 19:10 | <chealer> | twb: why? |
| 19:10 | <twb> | Because I'm feeling contrary |
| 19:10 | <eurisko> | i guess i'll try to redo the config file |
| 19:10 | <witte> | eurisko: can you post /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin |
| 19:10 | <twb> | Yeah, paste xorg.conf |
| 19:10 | <eurisko> | okay |
| 19:11 | <witte> | !tell eurisko about pastebin |
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| 19:12 | <eurisko> | http://rafb.net/p/1MU7WS62.html |
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| 19:13 | <simon444> | beer |
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| 19:13 | <Samooka> | witte: thanks for the tips... I will try upgrading to etch |
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| 19:14 | <eurisko> | http://rafb.net/p/zOTuUP13.html |
| 19:14 | <witte> | Samooka: good luck :-) |
| 19:14 | <eurisko> | and log file |
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| 19:14 | <simon444> | !beer |
| 19:14 | <dpkg> | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 19:15 | <simon444> | !gold |
| 19:15 | <Samooka> | talk to you later |
| 19:15 | <simon444> | Samooka, cya |
| 19:15 | <witte> | eurisko: there is a warning about the busid not found |
| 19:16 | <eurisko> | witte i read lots of warnings! |
| 19:16 | <witte> | eurisko: Warnings are only those with (WW) |
| 19:16 | <twb> | eurisko: is your screen REALLY at an 8:5 ratio? |
| 19:16 | <eurisko> | there are also some regarding the bios |
| 19:16 | <twb> | eurisko: conventional screens are 4:3 |
| 19:16 | <eurisko> | yup |
| 19:16 | <eurisko> | i am on laptop |
| 19:16 | <twb> | I think widescreens are 5:3 |
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| 19:17 | <witte> | eurisko: ok ,remove the lines with hsync and vsync |
| 19:17 | <eurisko> | it's something close to 16:9 |
| 19:17 | <twb> | Fair enough. |
| 19:17 | <eurisko> | ok |
| 19:17 | <simon444> | wtf is up with ubuntu's version of apt and dpkg |
| 19:17 | <chealer> | twb: it's really 8:5 |
| 19:17 | <chealer> | simon444: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:17 | <simon444> | they fucked it on purpose |
| 19:18 | <twb> | It's slightly dangerous, but normally I comment out all the "Display" SubSections, and the horizsync and vertrefresh. |
| 19:18 | <simon444> | they disabled downgrading packages |
| 19:18 | <witte> | eurisko, i don't that is the big thing that is causing it, but that is wrong at least i think |
| 19:18 | <witte> | and put # before the busid line |
| 19:18 | <simon444> | are they morons? |
| 19:18 | <JasonS> | simon444: complain in #ubuntu |
| 19:18 | <twb> | simon444: yes, now complain to #ubuntu |
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| 19:18 | <simon444> | JasonS, that would be pointful |
| 19:18 | <twb> | They wouldn't listen when I told them. |
| 19:19 | <JasonS> | as compared to whining here? |
| 19:19 | <simon444> | JasonS, I am not whining. I am making music! Get ready for my new song release on iTunes in a week time. |
| 19:19 | <simon444> | s/Get/Getting |
| 19:20 | [~] | JasonS hands simon444 some cheese |
| 19:20 | <eurisko> | thanks guys i'll try it |
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| 19:22 | <mohamed> | coucou |
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| 19:34 | <w4rl0ck> | how i allow acess in proftpd and disallow in machine and ssh ? |
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| 19:35 | <lontra> | i have installed kde-guidance-manager and instead i've decided i want to use kpowersave ... however now suspend isn't working anyone know why? i have a feeling that kpowersave isn't using powersaved ... |
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| 19:45 | <abrotman> | w4rl0ck: set the shell to /bin/false and put that in /etc/shells |
| 19:45 | <abrotman> | if it's not htere already |
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| 19:46 | <w4rl0ck> | abrotman /bin/false and /bin/nologin stop ftp ;\ |
| 19:46 | <abrotman> | not in /bin/false is in /etc/shells |
| 19:46 | <abrotman> | not if |
| 19:47 | <simon444> | enrish w00t |
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| 19:55 | <PqP> | hi dudes, can someone help me ? i installed compiz and now i have no window border... any idea ? |
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| 19:58 | <w4rl0ck> | abrotman thx after write in shells work ^^ |
| 19:58 | <abrotman> | i told you! |
| 19:58 | <abrotman> | :) |
| 19:58 | <eurisko> | back, i didn't have sucess changing to 1280x800... :( |
| 19:59 | <eurisko> | i als tried a live cd to see if it detected the 1280x800 but it didn't |
| 19:59 | <witte> | eurisko: ok, to bad. There should be somewhat less warnings however |
| 19:59 | <witte> | eurisko: can you paste the line from lspci about your graphics card? |
| 19:59 | <eurisko> | i tried a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but also without sucess |
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| 20:00 | <eurisko> | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 94 |
| 20:00 | <eurisko> | 5GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 20:00 | <eurisko> | it matches |
| 20:00 | <eurisko> | there is also other on 00:02.1 i guess it's for external output |
| 20:02 | <simon444> | So who is lenny in toy story? |
| 20:03 | <chealer> | !tell simon444 about lenny |
| 20:04 | <simon444> | Lenny is the binoculars. |
| 20:04 | <simon444> | eewww |
| 20:05 | <simon444> | what type of sick attentions did the person choosing lenny have |
| 20:05 | <witte> | eurisko: can you try the package 915resolution? |
| 20:05 | <simon444> | or maybe it is just my culture |
| 20:06 | <eurisko> | didn't know that witte |
| 20:06 | <witte> | eurisko: me neither, never heard of it. Found it on a forum |
| 20:06 | <witte> | apt-cache show 915resolution for more info |
| 20:07 | <eurisko> | it patched something, wanna see the output? |
| 20:07 | <witte> | yep, put it in a pastebin |
| 20:08 | <eurisko> | http://rafb.net/p/Rn979T75.html |
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| 20:08 | <witte> | ok, that seemed to work, but i do not like the word hack in that output |
| 20:08 | <witte> | :-) |
| 20:09 | <eurisko> | ahah |
| 20:09 | <witte> | try it |
| 20:09 | <eurisko> | it just makes it every time the OS boots |
| 20:09 | <eurisko> | it's not permanent |
| 20:09 | <witte> | well, read the file mentioned in the apt-cache show... |
| 20:09 | <witte> | I am sure you will figure it out |
| 20:09 | <eurisko> | oh and in the info, mentioned another interesting |
| 20:09 | <eurisko> | things |
| 20:10 | <eurisko> | there is a new package (xserver-xorg-video-intel), that supports modesetting |
| 20:10 | <eurisko> | well witte |
| 20:10 | <eurisko> | thank you very much! |
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| 20:10 | <witte> | no problem |
| 20:10 | <witte> | i am going to sleep |
| 20:10 | <witte> | good luck with it... |
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| 20:12 | <eurisko> | solved :D |
| 20:13 | <eurisko> | thanks everyone, time to sleep now! |
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| 20:36 | <nichos> | hi all, im upgrading from an old version of debian, im doing a dist-upgrade and it keeps dying on x11-common |
| 20:36 | <nichos> | how can i resolve/force this? |
| 20:36 | <chealer> | nichos: which old version? |
| 20:36 | <gravity> | nichos: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 20:37 | <nichos> | chealer real old, it was marked "unstable" about 1.5 years ago |
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| 20:37 | <chealer> | !tell nichos about x11-common conflict |
| 20:37 | <Nelson`> | Hey, I'm trying to fix/recover an NTFS drive using Knoppix. TestDisk seems to think the number of heads is wrong. I changed it, wrote to the MBR, rebooted, but it still shows the old value. Any ideas? |
| 20:38 | <chealer> | Nelson`: ask #knoppix, this is a Debian support channel. |
| 20:39 | <Nelson`> | knoppix is based on Debian and TestDisk works on any distro, so I was hoping you could help. I'll try them too |
| 20:44 | <twb> | Is "install auto interface=auto url=foo" supposed to work as advertised on etch i386 netinst CDs? |
| 20:44 | <nichos> | now im getting stuck on metacity, but cannot remove it |
| 20:44 | <twb> | It seems to ignore auto and interface=auto |
| 20:44 | <nichos> | is there a way to force removal of gnome stuff? it's all so old, i'll have to d/l all the newer stuff |
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| 20:45 | <twb> | nichos: aptitude purge ~sgnome? |
| 20:45 | <twb> | nichos: why not just upgrade it, though? |
| 20:45 | <nichos> | twb it keeps getting stuck, right now its stuck on metacity, tells me to apt-get -f install, but that keeps getting stuck too :/ |
| 20:46 | <nichos> | im open to suggestions:) |
| 20:46 | <twb> | nichos: are you using aptitude? |
| 20:46 | <twb> | nichos: are you using Etch (or newer)? |
| 20:46 | <nichos> | twb, no, apt |
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| 20:46 | <nichos> | twb, no, this was a sarge/unstable from about 1.5 yrs ago |
| 20:47 | <twb> | Ow. |
| 20:47 | <nichos> | :) |
| 20:47 | <twb> | What is the sources.list now, sarge, testing, unstable? |
| 20:47 | <nichos> | unstable |
| 20:48 | <twb> | You want to upgrade to the current unstable? |
| 20:48 | <nichos> | yeah |
| 20:48 | <nichos> | if possible |
| 20:48 | <twb> | I would try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:48 | <twb> | And pray |
| 20:48 | <nichos> | that's what i did |
| 20:48 | <twb> | And metacity doesn't like it? |
| 20:48 | <nichos> | though the prayers went ignored |
| 20:48 | <nichos> | twd correct |
| 20:48 | <twb> | You don't know that |
| 20:48 | <twb> | They might have made it worse |
| 20:49 | <twb> | Then I'd just remove metacity |
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| 20:49 | <nichos> | how do you force removal? |
| 20:49 | <simon444> | apt-get install homosexuality |
| 20:49 | <twb> | nichos: dpkg -P foo |
| 20:50 | <nichos> | i'll try that, thanks |
| 20:50 | <nichos> | apt: are you sure you want to install simon444? Requires 69k |
| 20:50 | <simon444> | you see homosexuality is originally by choice but once installed it can't be uninstalled |
| 20:51 | <nichos> | you could pull out! |
| 20:51 | <simon444> | of? |
| 20:51 | <twb> | simon444: sounds like OS X |
| 20:52 | <simon444> | twb, based on plan 9 or beos? |
| 20:52 | <simon444> | or palmos |
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| 20:53 | <twb> | You can't uninstall packages on OS X |
| 20:54 | <PqP> | can someone helpme ? i tried to install compiz-fusion and now a lost my window boarder... any idea ? |
| 20:54 | <nichos> | is the x11.org config file the same as xfree? |
| 20:55 | <gravity> | nichos: In format, more or less. |
| 20:55 | <gravity> | xorg will work with your old XF86Config if you rename it to xorg.conf, but for the latest versions currently in testing/unstable it'll kill the old method for doing dual-head |
| 20:56 | <PqP> | i configured my xorg like they say in nvidia tutorial at compiz forum... |
| 20:56 | <nichos> | yeah, im dual-headed |
| 20:56 | <nichos> | gravity why would you do that? |
| 20:57 | <gravity> | nichos: Um, what do you mean? |
| 20:57 | <PqP> | sorry... i'm using debian testing |
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| 20:57 | <nichos> | gravity why would you go to the "new" method for using a dual head? |
| 20:58 | <gravity> | nichos: You have to because the old method breaks. |
| 20:58 | <gravity> | nichos: The old method is broken because randr 1.2 essentially replaces it |
| 20:58 | <gravity> | So it's become obsolete |
| 20:59 | <gravity> | I hope that's the answer you meant... |
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| 21:00 | <nichos> | gravity oh, w/dual heads. do you have a FAQ on how to configure the new file w/dual heads? |
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| 21:00 | <gravity> | nichos: It's documented in the xorg.conf manpage, but those changes aren't in deian just yet. You can look at the source for it on git.freedesktop.org |
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| 21:00 | <nichos> | gravity thanks! |
| 21:00 | <gravity> | nichos: You can also google around, but most of the info is still locked away in mailing list posts |
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| 21:05 | <gsimmons> | twb: (re preseeding) Can't find any reason/excuse as to why it shouldn't work on NETINST. You can try using the full option names (eg. "install auto-install/enable netcfg/choose_interface=auto preseed/url=foo"). |
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| 21:06 | <twb> | gsimmons: O |
| 21:06 | <twb> | gsimmons: I'll try tht |
| 21:06 | <twb> | (Stupid keyboard.) |
| 21:06 | <gsimmons> | :) |
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| 21:08 | <blunted> | i am trying to fix my screen resolution, its only letting me do 640x480, but i know it does 1024x786 i just cant convince dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:08 | <blunted> | it does not listen when i tell it |
| 21:09 | <twb> | blunted: can you post /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin |
| 21:09 | <blunted> | k |
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| 21:10 | <Justmeee> | Hey where do you get the boot disks and root disks... I am looking on http://www.debian.org but I can't find em |
| 21:11 | <Justmeee> | and no they are not on the etch CD #1 I downloaded the iso and they are not in the /install/floppy directory like it claims in the read me |
| 21:11 | <Justmeee> | they appear to be missing. |
| 21:11 | <Justmeee> | ANyone know where I can get them? |
| 21:11 | <twb> | Justmeee: you mean, like, 3.5" floppies? |
| 21:12 | <Justmeee> | Yes |
| 21:12 | <tcsetattr> | I sure hope nobody's still looking for 5.25" floppies. |
| 21:12 | <Justmeee> | exactly |
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| 21:12 | <twb> | Yow |
| 21:12 | <Justmeee> | LOL 5.25 floppies you must be nearly as old as I am to remember those :) |
| 21:13 | <Justmeee> | I need the 3.5 floppies for a machine that won't boot from CD |
| 21:13 | <tcsetattr> | old? I've actually seen an 8" floppy. Haven't ever seen the drive for it though. |
| 21:13 | <Justmeee> | As I said they are not on the etch CD #1 like it claims.. |
| 21:13 | <Justmeee> | they are supose to be in the /install/floppy directory on CD #1 of the etch binaries |
| 21:13 | <twb> | Justmeee: debian.org > network install > floppy disks |
| 21:13 | <Justmeee> | Ahhh ok thanks |
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| 21:13 | <twb> | ...isn't helpful |
| 21:14 | <blunted> | http://pastebin.com/m473e297d |
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| 21:14 | <Justmeee> | I dunno if that was an oversite with the directory missing the floppy directory that is |
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| 21:16 | <twb> | 10:17 <witte> eurisko: ok ,remove the lines with hsync and vsync |
| 21:16 | <twb> | Justmeee: they're in the ftp tree, I just don't remember where |
| 21:17 | <Justmeee> | Hey twb the files are not there if you follow what you said... |
| 21:17 | <tcsetattr> | how about ftp.us.debian.org:/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 21:17 | <Justmeee> | If you do what you say it takes you to http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 21:18 | <Justmeee> | Ok let me check there |
| 21:18 | <Justmeee> | There we go |
| 21:18 | <Justmeee> | they are there |
| 21:18 | <blunted> | its vanilla pudding time |
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| 21:26 | <aricz> | hummhumm, anyone want to help me get elmo working ? |
| 21:26 | <simon444> | aricz, tickle it |
| 21:27 | <aricz> | it may be something I've overlooked, very possible.. |
| 21:27 | <aricz> | but, I can't send mail.. and I can't recieve mail |
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| 21:28 | <aricz> | it connects to the pop-server .. and tells me I have xx messages waiting |
| 21:28 | |-| | justin changed nick to recklessop |
| 21:28 | <simon444> | you overlooked the box? |
| 21:28 | <aricz> | same with sending.. I make the email, and try to send, nothing happens |
| 21:28 | <aricz> | hm? the box? |
| 21:29 | <recklessop> | quick question, i am playing with some routing... and my normal lan is 192.168.1.xxx and my test network is 192.168.3.xxx and i have a PC (linux ) with two nics one on the 192.168.1.xxx and one on the other |
| 21:29 | <twb> | Hey, what is the plan for when there are no more toy story characters? |
| 21:29 | <recklessop> | when i ping a router at 192.168.3.254 i dont get a response |
| 21:29 | <aricz> | I do get a error at startup : "/home/aricz/mail/inbox is not a valid mailbox" .. not valid? what am I missing here? :) |
| 21:29 | <recklessop> | but i know its up... is there anything ihave todo on my linux box to make the 192.168.3.xxx goto the eth1 adapter? |
| 21:31 | <tcsetattr> | if you've configured eth1 with an 192.168.3.* address and an appropriate netmask, it should add a route for that network automatically. Use "netstat -rn" to see |
| 21:31 | <twb> | recklessop: pastebin the output of /sbin/route -n |
| 21:31 | <recklessop> | kk just a sec |
| 21:31 | <twb> | aricz: is it a file? |
| 21:31 | <recklessop> | ok well i told you the wrong interfaces for the networks but i assure you they are connected to the right switches ... else i couldnt be online |
| 21:31 | <recklessop> | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 21:31 | <recklessop> | 192.168.3.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 21:31 | <recklessop> | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 21:31 | <recklessop> | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 21:32 | <twb> | Stupid! |
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| 21:32 | <recklessop> | hehe looks like i got kicked for that |
| 21:32 | <aricz> | twb : directory |
| 21:32 | <twb> | aricz: perhaps whatever is "starting up" expects it to be an mbox |
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| 21:34 | <aricz> | twb : no, just tried.. but, I said in .elmorc that my inbox is in the directory /home/aricz/mail .. |
| 21:34 | <tcsetattr> | well you have 192.168.3.* on eth0, so you should be able to ping other machines there. |
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| 21:34 | <twb> | I'm not familiar with elmo |
| 21:35 | <aricz> | twb : without the cfgfile it looks somewhere else and tells me the same "bla/bla/bla is not a valid mailbox" |
| 21:35 | <twb> | Does it expect MH? |
| 21:35 | <aricz> | MH? |
| 21:35 | <twb> | MH is a mailbox format |
| 21:35 | <twb> | I take it you don't know. |
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| 21:35 | <aricz> | hehe |
| 21:35 | <aricz> | well, at least I can google for that extra info |
| 21:35 | <aricz> | :) so danke |
| 21:35 | <twb> | aricz: I'd lurk here and go look for elmo developers |
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| 21:37 | [~] | tcsetattr wonders if elmo is related to elm |
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| 21:38 | <blunted> | man i hope like hell elmo has something to do with computers |
| 21:38 | <blunted> | and you guys arent talking about the muppet |
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| 21:42 | <twb> | elmo is basically not mutt |
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| 21:42 | <twb> | It's the only other MUA is Sid that doesn't depend on x11-common |
| 21:42 | <dondelelcaro> | gnus doesn't either |
| 21:43 | <tcsetattr> | that's interesting, mutt is bascially "not elm". oh wait, that's pine. mutt is not pine. So mutt is "not not elm". But that doesn't mean it's elm. |
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| 21:43 | <twb> | Perhaps I meant "and depends on ncurses" |
| 21:43 | <twb> | I don't remember |
| 21:44 | <tcsetattr> | is nmh in sid? |
| 21:44 | <dondelelcaro> | tcsetattr: what, you mean the law of the excluded middle doesn't apply? |
| 21:44 | <twb> | Yeah |
| 21:45 | <aricz> | I get the same error in mutt too.. |
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| 21:47 | <twb> | Foo. |
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| 21:50 | <twb> | gsimmons: when I try url=hands.com, vt4 has "resolver" complaining about libc6 and dhcp-client-udeb being AWOL |
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| 21:56 | <twb> | Worked it out -- the LABEL is "auto", it's not a kernel parameter. |
| 21:56 | <twb> | i.e. "auto url=foo", not "installgui auto url=foo" |
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| 22:03 | <zoid_> | hi, i'm having a very very strange problem while copyng files between two debian boxes over wireless |
| 22:03 | <zoid_> | one is a laptop |
| 22:03 | <zoid_> | using sftp/scp or nfs |
| 22:03 | <zoid_> | in one direction works |
| 22:04 | <zoid_> | in the other, (from the laptop to pc) the laptop freezes |
| 22:04 | <zoid_> | completly, not even answers pings anymore |
| 22:04 | <zoid_> | nothing in the logs |
| 22:04 | <zoid_> | any help on where to look for the problem will be great |
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| 22:08 | <gmax> | wow |
| 22:08 | <gmax> | 1st time visitor here |
| 22:08 | <gmax> | anyone around ? |
| 22:08 | <Covener> | long time listener? |
| 22:08 | <gmax> | lol |
| 22:09 | <gmax> | im looking for some help with ramdisks or equivalent on debian |
| 22:09 | <gmax> | or probably more correctly stated as tempfs |
| 22:10 | <gmax> | is there anyone here who is an expert on tempfs matters can could spare me some time ? |
| 22:10 | <Supaplex> | !tell gmax -about ask |
| 22:11 | <gmax> | sorry i did not understand |
| 22:11 | <Supaplex> | just ask the question |
| 22:11 | <gmax> | ok |
| 22:11 | <gmax> | thanks |
| 22:11 | <gmax> | i am running Linux version 2.6.12 (root@development) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Debian 4.0.3-1)) #0 Mon May 15 14:33:44 CEST 2006 |
| 22:12 | <gmax> | it was built by someone else. I am linux literate but not debian. |
| 22:12 | <gmax> | (at least not so much) |
| 22:12 | <gmax> | the devices for tempfs seem to be there but it does not work |
| 22:12 | <gmax> | i suspect the driver may not be loaded into the kernel but im not sure how to check |
| 22:12 | <tcsetattr> | it's spelled tmpfs |
| 22:12 | <Supaplex> | what happens when you mount -t tmpfs ? |
| 22:12 | <gmax> | ok |
| 22:13 | <gmax> | i'll run it now and get the exact msg |
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| 22:14 | <nichos> | how can i remove texlive* (forcibly?) |
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| 22:21 | <gmax> | ok |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | i get: |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on tmpfs, |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | missing codepage or other error |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try |
| 22:21 | <gmax>dmesg | tail or so |
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| 22:21 | <tcsetattr> | the full command? |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt |
| 22:21 | <gsimmons> | twb: Ah, that's one to remember. |
| 22:21 | <tcsetattr> | that command does work for me... check your kernel config for CONFIG_TMPFS |
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| 22:21 | <gmax> | how do i do that ? |
| 22:21 | <Supaplex> | grep -i tmpfs /boot/config-* |
| 22:21 | <tcsetattr> | if your kernel has /proc/config.gz, look there. otherwise if it's a debian kernel you can look at /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 22:21 | <tcsetattr> | debian kernel should definitely have it though. |
| 22:21 | <Supaplex> | unless someone missed it with kp |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | CONFIG_TMPFS=y |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | i used the grep command above |
| 22:21 | <tcsetattr> | /proc/config.gz is the best way, it's guaranteed to be the config of the running kernel, regardless of any packaging |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | ok |
| 22:21 | <tcsetattr> | I just don't know if 2.6.12 has /proc/config.gz, it's like soo old :) |
| 22:21 | <tcsetattr> | did you check the dmesg like you were told? |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | nope its not there |
| 22:21 | <Supaplex> | 2.6.12 sounds like a custom kernel anyway. debian went from .8 to .18 didn't it? |
| 22:21 | <gmax> | yes i checked dmsg |
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| 22:21 | <gmax> | no apparent info |
| 22:21 | <nichos> | how can i remove texlive* (forcibly?) |
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| 22:22 | <Supaplex> | nichos: http://video.google.com thermite pc |
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| 22:22 | <Supaplex> | ;) |
| 22:22 | <nichos> | Supaplex no x11.org up yet:P |
| 22:22 | <CutMeOwnThroat> | sounds like *quite* forcibly |
| 22:22 | <CutMeOwnThroat> | but it'll probably be gone |
| 22:22 | <nichos> | i cant update, these packages are broken |
| 22:22 | <Supaplex> | nichos: aptitude remove foo |
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| 22:22 | <tcsetattr> | got tmpfs in /proc/filesystems? |
| 22:23 | <gmax> | yes it has: "nodev tmpfs |
| 22:23 | <gmax> | " |
| 22:23 | <driver> | you can look in /boot for config-2.6.* then cat and grep that |
| 22:24 | <tcsetattr> | and the directory you're trying to mount on... /mnt... does it actually exist? |
| 22:24 | <nichos> | Supaplex can i do something like textlive* ? |
| 22:24 | <nichos> | (* isn't working) |
| 22:24 | <tcsetattr> | mounting doesn't create a directory for the root. it overlays an existing directory (normally an empty one) |
| 22:25 | <Supaplex> | nichos: I think you can with apt-get |
| 22:26 | <driver> | mount with the -t option requires fs type like .ext3 or reiserfs |
| 22:26 | <nvz> | Supaplex: no thinking allowed in here :P |
| 22:26 | <driver> | mount -t ext3 /tmp /mnt |
| 22:26 | <nvz> | o.O |
| 22:26 | <Supaplex> | driver: tmpfs is its own filesystem type |
| 22:27 | <tcsetattr> | looks like apt-get takes a regexp, not a glob, so it'd be apt-get remove '^texlive' |
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| 22:28 | <nichos> | ty guys |
| 22:29 | <driver> | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) the tmmpfs is already mounted on /dev/shm |
| 22:29 | <driver> | cd /dev/shm |
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| 22:30 | <tcsetattr> | you are allowed to mount as many tmpfs's as you want. |
| 22:31 | <Supaplex> | provided you have ram :) |
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| 22:31 | <gmax> | thats my next challenge :) |
| 22:31 | <gmax> | more ram |
| 22:31 | <gmax> | no point though if i cant get it going |
| 22:31 | <Supaplex> | install a debian stock kernel, avoid the confusion. |
| 22:32 | <Supaplex> | how much ram do you have anyhow? |
| 22:32 | <gmax> | ok this raises a new issue |
| 22:32 | <gmax> | 2GB |
| 22:32 | <gmax> | can i run apt-get upgrade to upgrade the system to the current version ? |
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| 22:32 | <gmax> | i have to be careful here as it is a production system |
| 22:33 | <gmax> | fortunately it is running in a virtual server and so I can take a snapshot before i start |
| 22:33 | <Supaplex> | apt will tell you what it's going to do first |
| 22:33 | <Supaplex> | apt-get* |
| 22:33 | <tcsetattr> | did we get a response on the "does /mnt exist" question? |
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| 22:33 | <gmax> | yes /mnt exists |
| 22:33 | <renan> | how can I install my geforce go 6150 on debian amd64? |
| 22:33 | <gmax> | i also created another dir /mydir |
| 22:34 | <gmax> | same problem |
| 22:34 | <driver> | depends on what you have in apt.sources.list |
| 22:34 | <Supaplex> | gmax: http://rafb.net/paste the last messages from dmesg |
| 22:35 | <renan> | how can I install my geforce go 6150 on debian amd64? |
| 22:36 | <twb> | Open up the case and put it in the slot |
| 22:36 | <Supaplex> | !tell renan -about repeat |
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| 22:36 | <gmax> | ms1:/# mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mydir |
| 22:36 | <gmax> | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on tmpfs, |
| 22:36 | <gmax> | missing codepage or other error |
| 22:36 | <gmax> | In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try |
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| 22:36 | <renan> | sorry Supaplex.. no one was answered me |
| 22:36 | <twb> | Tell gmax it's "tempfs" if he comes back |
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| 22:37 | <gmax> | oops |
| 22:37 | <gmax> | i pasted too much and it kicked me :( |
| 22:37 | <twb> | No it's not. |
| 22:37 | <Supaplex> | spare us the obvious |
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| 22:38 | <gmax> | i didnt know it would do that |
| 22:38 | <Supaplex> | renan: it's nvidia right? |
| 22:38 | <renan> | Supaplex yeah |
| 22:38 | <gmax> | soggy |
| 22:38 | <Supaplex> | !tell gmax -about paste |
| 22:38 | <Supaplex> | !tell renan -about nvidia |
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| 22:40 | <gmax> | anyone got any more clues/suggestions ? |
| 22:40 | <gmax> | I dont know why the system has a custom kernel |
| 22:40 | <gmax> | i cant think of any reason for it |
| 22:41 | <gmax> | unless it was an effort to cut down on size and improve performance |
| 22:41 | <tcsetattr> | if it's a custom kernel you can't trust that the config file was put in /boot. find the source directory where it was compiled and look for CONFIG_TMPFS in its .config |
| 22:41 | <gmax> | ok |
| 22:41 | <gmax> | what should i be searching for (source file location) |
| 22:41 | <Supaplex> | gmax: you never gave us a paste-url for dmesg output |
| 22:42 | <gmax> | oh sorry |
| 22:42 | <gmax> | i dont know how to do that |
| 22:42 | <gmax> | i pasted and it kicked me |
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| 22:42 | <Supaplex> | !paste howto |
| 22:42 | <dpkg> | howto: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 22:42 | <driver> | 2.6.15.1.080206 #1 this is what my custom kernel looks like created aug 2 2006 |
| 22:42 | <gmax> | ok |
| 22:44 | <Supaplex> | !pastebin howto |
| 22:44 | <dpkg> | pastebin howto is, like, step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to http://rafb.net/paste step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here. |
| 22:44 | <Supaplex> | that's what I was thinking. |
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| 22:46 | <gmax> | http://rafb.net/p/fiviZj86.html |
| 22:46 | <gmax> | i think that worked |
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| 22:46 | <gmax> | !paste howto |
| 22:46 | <dpkg> | howto: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 22:46 | <Supaplex> | uhm line 5 says dmesg | tail |
| 22:46 | <Supaplex> | you gave us | head |
| 22:46 | <gmax> | LOL OOPS |
| 22:47 | <gmax> | how stupid do I feel right now |
| 22:47 | <tcsetattr> | dmesg piping with a double-headed coin |
| 22:47 | <Supaplex> | hehe yup |
| 22:48 | <gmax> | http://rafb.net/p/Gj2oUQ21.html |
| 22:48 | <gmax> | trying again: :D |
| 22:49 | <Supaplex> | nothing apparent. |
| 22:49 | <Supaplex> | cat /etc/issue |
| 22:49 | <driver> | dpkg -l |grep kernel = ii kernel-image-2.6.15.1.080206 10.00.Custom |
| 22:49 | <dpkg> | No packages found matching |grep kernel = ii kernel-image-2.6.15.1.080206 10.00.Custom |
| 22:49 | <driver> | woops |
| 22:49 | <gmax> | my /etc/issue is empty |
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| 22:50 | <tcsetattr> | hard to see what can go wrong with tmpfs besides "some dork removed it fromt he kernel configuration" and since you don't have a reliable copy of the .config we can't rule that out |
| 22:50 | <renan> | Supaplex the xdm runs with a green screen |
| 22:50 | <renan> | isnt work my videocard |
| 22:50 | <Supaplex> | renan: check wiki.debian.org |
| 22:51 | <Supaplex> | are you using testing? |
| 22:51 | <renan> | no |
| 22:51 | <renan> | etch |
| 22:51 | <gmax> | is .config a file or directory |
| 22:51 | <Supaplex> | which kernel? |
| 22:51 | <renan> | 2.6.18-4 |
| 22:51 | <Supaplex> | gmax: it's a file. |
| 22:51 | <tcsetattr> | .config is the config file that's generated when you configure a kernel with "make menuconfig" or similar. |
| 22:51 | <gmax> | where would i find it ? |
| 22:52 | <Supaplex> | renan: that's good. you might check bts to |
| 22:52 | <Supaplex> | gmax: top level kernel source |
| 22:52 | <renan> | bts? |
| 22:52 | <Supaplex> | bugs.debian.org = bug tracking system |
| 22:52 | <driver> | you can find it in the /boot directory |
| 22:52 | <gmax> | ok |
| 22:52 | <tcsetattr> | grrr. |
| 22:54 | <tcsetattr> | I'm going to start biting people if they don't quit saying that kernel configs are in /boot. Those are only put there by the debian packaging system. There is no reason to believe they actually correspond to the running kernel. They are basically useless. |
| 22:54 | <gmax> | this is my /boot dir http://rafb.net/p/ChBf5H18.html |
| 22:54 | <Supaplex> | yay my d-i kernel finally built. |
| 22:54 | <gmax> | more config-* |
| 22:54 | <gmax> | oops |
| 22:55 | <driver> | and this is your config file config-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:55 | <Supaplex> | gmax: what's uname -a say again? |
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| 22:55 | <gmax> | Linux ms1.cleanas.net 2.6.12 #0 Mon May 15 14:33:44 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:55 | <Supaplex> | gmax: and is the system running etch? sarge? |
| 22:56 | <gmax> | sarge |
| 22:56 | <driver> | if you want to verify your tmpfs .. just run mount with no options |
| 22:56 | <Supaplex> | topic. upgrade to etch |
| 22:56 | <gmax> | easy to do ? |
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| 22:56 | <Supaplex> | mostly. but critical. sarge is loosing security support soon |
| 22:57 | <Supaplex> | etch's kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 22:57 | <gmax> | is it a re-install or an upgrade ? |
| 22:57 | <Supaplex> | and has tmpfs support |
| 22:57 | <tcsetattr> | custom kernel with vmware garbage may be a pain to replicate |
| 22:57 | <Supaplex> | !tell gmax about sarge->etch |
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| 22:57 | <gmax> | im not worried about vmware issues |
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| 22:58 | <Supaplex> | the amd pcnet32 driver is in the new kernel, so it should be ok. but if it's vmware, create a snapshot if you're worried. |
| 22:58 | [~] | Supaplex perfers vserver and openvz over vmware for linux guests |
| 22:58 | <gmax> | Supapex you typed "!tell gmax about sarge->etch" |
| 22:58 | <gmax> | is that some bot thing ? |
| 22:58 | <stoned> | hehe |
| 22:58 | <stoned> | supapex |
| 22:58 | <Supaplex> | gmax: dpkg msgs you factiods |
| 22:58 | <gmax> | oops |
| 22:58 | <tcsetattr> | yeah, some people around here for some reason think it's pleasant to speak to each other thorugh b0ts instead of as humans. |
| 22:58 | <Supaplex> | stoned: gmax another one of your clients? ;) |
| 22:59 | <gmax> | Supaplex sorry |
| 22:59 | <stoned> | lol |
| 22:59 | <stoned> | Supaplex: I don't deal :) |
| 22:59 | <stoned> | I swear |
| 22:59 | <Supaplex> | haha ok. |
| 22:59 | <stoned> | man I can't breath through my nose |
| 22:59 | <Supaplex> | tcsetattr: w/o !tell, we'd end up flooding the channel. |
| 22:59 | <stoned> | I used vicks and my room smells now |
| 23:00 | <gmax> | dpkg msgs you factiods |
| 23:00 | <gmax> | lol |
| 23:00 | <stoned> | I still can' tbreath out of my nose |
| 23:00 | <stoned> | !dpkgbot |
| 23:00 | <dpkg> | [dpkgbot] Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 23:00 | <Supaplex> | !say hi gmax |
| 23:00 | <dpkg> | hi gmax |
| 23:00 | <gmax> | well what am i supposted to do it ? |
| 23:00 | <gmax> | lol |
| 23:00 | <Supaplex> | !sarge->etch |
| 23:00 | <dpkg> | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 23:00 | <Supaplex> | just follow the instructions |
| 23:00 | <Supaplex> | did you get that from /query dpkg before? |
| 23:02 | <driver> | release notes reccomends aptitude for package management but I dont like it |
| 23:02 | <Supaplex> | it's more capable when it comes to dependency hurdles |
| 23:03 | <tcsetattr> | it's more capable of deciding it wants to remove half the packages on your system for no reason |
| 23:03 | <driver> | aptitude is great! for finding broken packages |
| 23:03 | <driver> | amen to that |
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| 23:04 | <gmax> | !sarge->etch |
| 23:04 | <dpkg> | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 23:04 | <Supaplex> | works fine for me. file a bug with descriptive details if you want it fixed. (barring 'by design' and 'user error' issues) |
| 23:04 | <gmax> | aha |
| 23:04 | <gmax> | i see |
| 23:04 | <driver> | release notes also sez that the upgrade will fail if any packages are on hold |
| 23:05 | <Supaplex> | silly intel. http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/21397.htm I guess "optical" is ... wired. |
| 23:06 | <Supaplex> | argh! I forgot to compile the nic static for nfsroot. |
| 23:07 | <gmax> | well guys thanks for the help. I think my sensible path is to try to run the upgrade to etch as suggested. |
| 23:07 | <gmax> | at least the problem is (probably) not something stupid like command line syntax :) |
| 23:09 | <tcsetattr> | unfortunately since the kernel uses tmpfs internally, /proc/filesystems can show tmpfs even when you have it disabled for external use |
| 23:10 | <Supaplex> | tcsetattr: oh because of shm? |
| 23:10 | <gmax> | mmm. i imagine that is a side effect of linux where the presence of a file does not mean it works |
| 23:10 | <driver> | right, the tmpfs is not for userspace |
| 23:11 | <driver> | its virtual and binnary |
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| 23:39 | <gmax> | Hi folks |
| 23:39 | <gmax> | i have started a process for upgrading from sarge to etch |
| 23:39 | <gmax> | i ran an aptitude upgrade command |
| 23:39 | <gmax> | with the following results |
| 23:40 | <gmax> | http://rafb.net/p/IIl02t86.html |
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| 23:40 | <nichos> | hi all, im upgrading from xfree to xorg, im having trouble w/artwiz |
| 23:40 | <gmax> | anyone got an idea on how to fix this ? |
| 23:40 | <nichos> | Cannot find alternative `/etc/X11/cursors/core.theme |
| 23:40 | <formorer> | gmax: this is no sarge |
| 23:40 | <gmax> | i ran the upgrade again but it did not help |
| 23:41 | <formorer> | gmax: sarge has no idea about gpg release file checking |
| 23:41 | <gmax> | mmm |
| 23:41 | <nichos> | ~tell nichos about artwiz |
| 23:41 | <nichos> | ~tell nichos about artwiz-cursor |
| 23:41 | <gmax> | ok so .... what should i do ? |
| 23:41 | <litage> | gmax: google for the key that apt doesn't know about |
| 23:42 | <formorer> | gmax: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 23:42 | <gmax> | ok |
| 23:42 | <gmax> | thanks |
| 23:42 | <formorer> | gmax: btw. this was the third google hit or so. You also want to read the release notes |
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| 23:43 | <gmax> | thanks formorer. i searched it in google before but found nothing that made sense to me |
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| 23:44 | <nichos> | has anyone had trouble install artwiz-cursor? |
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| 23:53 | <sysop> | What's up |
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| 23:55 | <nichos> | word |
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