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---Logopened Tue Jul 24 00:00:07 2007
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00:22<vortek>hello :)
00:22<vortek>Is there an alternate to LinuxAnt project
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00:22<vortek>it shows my usb card there ... but ndiswrapers doesnot.
00:22<vortek>and linuxant is 64bit
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00:22<vortek>wll 64bit kernel needed
00:23<vortek>any ideas from the gurus ?
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00:34<keren>hey, does anyone know a client to update dynamic dns services such as dyndns.org which can web check the ip?
00:34<jm_>yes
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00:44<brianw>hm, i'm running Stable and when I tried to install libopenssl-ruby1.8 it tossed this at me...
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00:44<brianw> libopenssl-ruby1.8: Depends: libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.5) but it is not going to be installed
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00:44<brianw>I have this installed: ii libruby1.8 1.8.6-2 Libraries necessary to run Ruby 1.8
00:44<brianw>shouldn't that satisfy the dependancy?
00:45<jm_>yes, but that's likely not the problem
00:45<brianw>why would it tell me about that unmet dependancy if it's not the problem?
00:45<brianw>and where shoudl I start looking to figure out this hidden problem?
00:45<jm_>where do you see it saying unmet dependencies?
00:46<jm_>try apt* install libopenssl-ruby1.8
00:46<brianw>apt-get install libopenssl-ruby1.8
00:46<brianw>The following packages have unmet dependencies.
00:46<brianw> libopenssl-ruby1.8: Depends: libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.5) but it is not going to be installed
00:46<brianw>skipped a few lines that don't have errors, just info.
00:46<brianw>did that.
00:46<brianw>even straight install with dpkg fails it.
00:47<brianw>aptitude, apt-get both fail.
00:47<brianw>and that's all I ever see error wise.
00:48<jm_>huh, either I am blind or something weird is going on - dpkg has version check option, try using that
00:48<brianw>exactly. :)
00:48<brianw>ok, how?
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00:48<jm_>--compare-versions
00:48<brianw>thx.
00:48<jm_>apt-get -V also reports versions
00:48<mjk>--com-perversions?
00:49[~]mjk should get a girl-friend. ;-)
00:49<brianw>ahha new error when I added libruby1.8
00:49<brianw>The following packages have unmet dependencies.
00:49<brianw> libruby1.8: Conflicts: libopenssl-ruby1.8 (< 1.8.6) but 1.8.5-4 is to be installed
00:49<jm_>ahh heh
00:50<jm_>I always forget one has to check in the other direction too
00:50<brianw>now why wouldn't it tell me about this conflict?
00:50<brianw>and even better, why is there such a lovely conflict within Stable? :)
00:51<keren>jm_ you said you know of a dyndns client that web checks for the ip?
00:51<azeem_>brianw: because you've got libruby1.8 from testing
00:51<azeem_>libruby1.8 | 1.8.5-4 | stable | alpha, amd64, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
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00:51<jm_>keren: there are ez-ipupdate and no-ip
00:51<brianw>ah, I wonder how that happened.
00:51<jm_>brianw: libopenssl-ruby1.8 in stable is 1.8.5-4
00:51<brianw>oh, I know. I had both listed with preference for stable a month or two ago.
00:51<jm_>ahh yes, already mentioned
00:52<brianw>I needed a newer lib from testing at the time.
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00:52<brianw>it must have triggered the upgrade on libruby 8-P
00:52<azeem>what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
00:52<jm_>but yeah, error reporting should be expand with regards to conflicts
00:52<jm_>expanded*
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00:52<brianw>2.5-11
00:52<azeem>brianw: that's testing as well
00:53<brianw>thought so.
00:53<brianw>I must have fscked up on setting dist preference.
00:53<brianw>it was when I installed mono.
00:53<brianw>stable was barfing all over a C# app I was trying to get to work.
00:53<brianw>I spose I may as well just sit on testing then. 8-P
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00:56<k-man>can you get dual cpu motherboards and put dual core cpus in them to get 4 cores?
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00:57<mjk>k-man: Sure.
00:57<brianw>k-man, amd? yes, 4x4 platform only.
00:57<k-man>yeah, i'd prefer amd
00:57<jm_>k-man: sure, look at AMD 4x4 or Intel V8 stuff (that's octo-core then I suppose)
00:57<k-man>but what about intel?
00:57<brianw>intel takes the extreme core-2 and of course opterons and xeons can do it.
00:57<k-man>ooh... octo?
00:57<k-man>hmm
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00:59<k-man>so... which mb should I get to put 2 dual core amd cpus in it?
00:59<keren>a brave mobo
01:00<brianw>there aren't that many.
01:00<k-man>oh
01:00<brianw>check toms hardware for reviews
01:00<k-man>thats annoying
01:00<k-man>ah, good idea
01:00<k-man>thanks
01:00<brianw>well it's really just opterons in disguise as desktop cpus from what I hear (total rumor)
01:01<k-man>well
01:01<Dargor>hi all, how do i use iptables when destination ip changes. eg my adsl gateway, the isp assigned ip.
01:01<jm_>use iptables for what?
01:01<k-man>im just wondering about the cost benefit of getting a 4 port co-processed raid card vs getting more cpu grunt and doing software raid
01:01<k-man>a 3ware 4 port sata raide card costs around AU$650 here
01:01<Dargor>i want to forward port 2222 to 22 because 22 is blocked at school
01:02<jm_>why do you care abotu IP then?
01:03<Dargor>umm, i think i need to, "iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -s 0/0 --dport 22 -p tcp -d [my ip] --dport 22 -j ACCEPT"
01:03<Dargor>is there an easyer way
01:04<brianw>I gave up using iptables directly finally.
01:04<brianw>shorewall made that fairly easy to do reliably.'
01:04<jm_>Dargor: well you could simply omit -d myip, alternatively, depending on how you connect set it up after the connection is established with specific IP
01:05<keren>Dargor: iptables doesn't survive a reboot unless you set it up to do so. theres a howto in debian-administration.org i think
01:06<Dargor>wait, wont -d 127.0.0.1 work?
01:07<jm_>no
01:07<Dargor>whys that
01:07<jm_>because it won't match remote connection attempts
01:07<Dargor>i could set the interface
01:08<brianw>the DNAT needs to be 127.0.0.1:22 if you are shooting for locahost.
01:08<brianw>not the original destination match
01:08<Dargor>ko
01:08<Dargor>ok
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01:09<brianw>but if the machine is the original target IP, then you dont' need to specify the IP portion of the dnat, jsut the port.
01:09<brianw>I think.
01:09<brianw>heh, too damn confusing even though i've used it since it came out. 8-P
01:09<jm_>-d is there so it only does this for attempts sent specific to your machine - do you even get anything else?
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01:26<vortek>whats a good wiresless config tool thats console based?
01:27<vortek>im gona install base, then manualy grab ndis or another partition
01:27<azeem>iwconfig
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01:27<vortek>k
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01:36<vortek>2 bad thre wasn't a instaltion set that had every thing you needed for wireless :)
01:36<vortek>well i could try that jugdo or whatever
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01:40<Xz>hi all
01:40<Xz>somebocy talk spanish over here??
01:41<Xz>*somebody
01:41<azeem>!es
01:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
01:42<Xz>tack
01:42<Xz>tx
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01:51<MrNaz>not sure where else to ask this, but i have this in a shell script: dirname="/backup/backupset-"`date +%Y%m%d-%H%M` i want to add the time to that string... anyone know the tokens off the top of their head?
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01:51<MrNaz>i mean i want to add seconds to that
01:51<jm_>you already have time in it
01:51<jm_>man strftime
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01:51<MrNaz>jm_ sorry i meant i want to add seconds
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01:53<vortek>isn't there a way to use jigdo to make your self a custom cd ?
01:53<vortek>via the net ?
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01:56<keren>vortek: i assume there is. jigdo isn't complicated. check out the documentation
01:56<vortek>yeh i am
01:56<vortek>not sure if it will do what i want to
01:57<vortek>using the net as source to build cd
01:57<vortek>hehe
01:57<keren>it just downloads packages and puts them into place inside the iso
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01:57<vortek>yeah
01:58<vortek>i was looking to build an instalation cd with all the wireless drivers pre included
01:58<vortek>er wireless tools
01:58<DawnLight>so you could netinst via wireless?
01:58<vortek>so i dont have to install then mount another partition with the files on them i need for my wireless stuff
01:59<vortek>wireless dont work defualt
01:59<vortek>have to use ndiswrappers
01:59<vortek>so im hoping i can use a netinstall for that
01:59<vortek>then copy over ndiswrapers and hope theres no depend problems
01:59<vortek>hehe
02:00<DawnLight>if you have enough bandwidth, perhaps download three dvds and you'll have much to work with
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02:00<vortek>yeha
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02:00<vortek>i got 6 meg down
02:00<DawnLight>haha
02:00<vortek>but most mirrors i can only get 2meg
02:01<vortek>well 8 meg down
02:01<DawnLight>try torrent
02:01<vortek>yeah
02:01<DawnLight>is jigdo stable yet?
02:03<tupa>DawnLight it's pretty stable, used it myself
02:04<DawnLight>i've had bad luck with it. it wouldn't download one last package
02:05<blarson>I've used jigdo many times, works fine.
02:07<blarson>The main thing I dislike about it is its inablility to handle local partial mirrors properly.
02:07<blarson>So I have to run it on the mirror where the files are local, rather than elsewhere on my home net.
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02:09<peyman>what package do I need to install for man pages of C standard libarary functions? man strcpy
02:10<jm_>!tell peyman -about search
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02:15<tupa>peyman manpages-dev
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02:16<tupa>peyman oh wait, I'm actually using the n00buntu box, try searching system library calls
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02:21<peyman>tupa: no, that's right
02:21<peyman>tupa: thank you
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02:21<on3>hello
02:22<on3>can anyone help me on resizing screensize?
02:22<DawnLight>can anyone help me with setting up a dyndns update client? i've done it before using ez-ipupdate and ddclient but not behind nat
02:22<DawnLight>on3: which desktop environment?
02:23<on3>kde:
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02:23<DawnLight>on3: right click on desktop... ...
02:23<on3>i've installed knoppix5.1.1 on my usb pen drive
02:24<on3>the max resolution i get is 800x600
02:24<DawnLight>oh, i see.
02:24<on3>any idea?
02:25<DawnLight>well, i don't know much about knoppix, but i guess that you can check out /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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02:25<DawnLight>and man xorg.conf
02:25<DawnLight>and look for "modes" in the man page
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02:26<jm_>!knoppix
02:26<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
02:26<on3>ok, let me look at it....
02:26<DawnLight>hehe, "or situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian"...
02:27<on3>:)
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02:33<on3>nobody @ knoppix?!
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02:54<grumpf`stage>hello
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02:57<pcav>hi all
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02:57<pcav>in the last few days I do not get updates/upgrades for lenny
02:57<pcav>anything wrong?
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02:59<DawnLight>whats the command line for sending SIG_QUIT and such
02:59<jm_>"stty -a" and see
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03:00<jm_>that's ohw to send it via keyboard, otherwise one uses kill command to send signals arround
03:01<grumpf`stage>I'd like to get some help about setting a mail server, problem is with my resolv.conf : it sets itself back about every five minutes, erasing my modifications: anyone knows where it might come from ?
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03:02<azeem>grumpf`stage: probably from dhcp
03:02<DawnLight>witchcraft
03:02<grumpf`stage>lol
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03:02<grumpf`stage>mmm yup might be
03:03<DawnLight>see if you can define a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) or tell the dhcp client not to do that
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03:04<grumpf`stage>ok i'll try
03:04<grumpf`stage>thanx
03:04<DawnLight>how do i kill something by it's name?
03:04<formorer>pkill
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03:06<DawnLight>wow thanks
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03:11<DawnLight>i have post-up inadyn and pre-down pkill inadyn but after i /etc/init.d/networking restart inadyn isn't running like it does after i just bash in inadyn
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03:27<DawnLight>will anyone look at my interfaces file, i seem to be doing something wrong http://pastebin.ca/631733
03:29<mjk>dpkg's factoid for "aes" states "Twofish should have won, or very weak," -- does that mean that twofish is the "best" (w/ regard to security) cryptographic algorithm for disk encryption in Linux? Or should I use serpent?
03:30<gsimmons>DawnLight: Where is 'inadyn' located in your filesystem?
03:32<DawnLight>gsimmons: how do i find out?
03:35<gsimmons>DawnLight: Ah, you're using the 'inadyn' package? It would be in /usr/sbin then. I had thought your post-up command wasn't in the command search path (as described in interfaces(5)).
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03:37<DawnLight>gsimmons: so should i use the full path in post-up?
03:37<gsimmons>DawnLight: No, you shouldn't be required to.
03:38<DawnLight>gsimmons: so why isn't it working? can i see a verbose of what /etc/init.d/networking restart is doing?
03:40<DawnLight>sorry, connection problem: gsimmons: so why isn't it working? can i see a verbose of what /etc/init.d/networking restart is doing?
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03:46<DawnLight>will anyone look at my interfaces file, i seem to be doing something wrong http://pastebin.ca/631733. when i type in bash "inadyn" the program starts fine, using the configuration file and keeps running in background. i then kill it and type in "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and when i check "ps aux | grep inadyn" theres nothing.
03:47<jm_>ifup has -v switch
03:47<DawnLight>i'll try
03:48<DawnLight>is there a difference between "auto" and allow-hotplug?
03:50<DawnLight>what is allow-hotplug anyway?
03:50<DawnLight>bring up the device when the cable is connected?
03:50<jm_>it allows subsystems to call ifup --allow=hotplug
03:51<DawnLight>so maybe i have to have allow-auto or just auto to use the post-up/pre-down/... things
03:51<jm_>yeah try that
03:54<DawnLight>Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: File exists
03:54<DawnLight>Failed to bring up eth0.
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03:54<DawnLight>thats what happens when there is an "auto eth0" line
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03:55<DawnLight>and it doesn't have to do with the inadyn because those are commented out
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03:59<DawnLight>reboot
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04:03<DawnLight>well, a reboot sorted it out, apparrently. i'm using the allow-auto instead of allow-hotplug
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04:04<jm_>allow-auto is the same as auto
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04:04<DawnLight>jm_ i'm reading mans when they aren't murdurous :)
04:06<DawnLight>thanks everyone!
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04:13<lupine>NetworkManager is officially my pet hate
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04:18<bl0ck>hi all
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04:19<bl0ck>i have a question regarding cron email notification - i have a cronjob that copies some file from a server to another and every time i get an email notification, the problem is that i want to change the email address to which this notification is sent
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04:21<bl0ck>i have set "| mail -s "subject" user2@domain" after the cronjob and it works BUT the notification goes also to the old email on which it was sent previosly
04:21<bl0ck>so now both emails get notification
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04:22<bl0ck>any ideas where should i change that
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04:23<bl0ck>is that any env variable or something?
04:24<Maulkin>man 5 crontab
04:25<bl0ck>:)
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04:27<bl0ck>Maulkin, thanks for the explanation :P
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04:37<DawnLight>how come ssh doesn't ask me for the passphrase to the key?
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04:41<bl0ck>Maulkin, it was not a cron issue - obviously we are talking here about qmail aliases...
04:43<Maulkin>you wanted the output of a cron job to go to a different email address?
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04:43<Maulkin>bl0ck: ^^
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04:45<bl0ck>Maulkin, yes but after i tried everything i got it only to send to 2 emails simultaniously
04:46<bl0ck>Maulkin, and the issue was that i previously set email aliases for qmail
04:47<bl0ck>in /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-root
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04:50<Internat>probably a dum question. is there a limit as to how many groups a system can have?
04:50<formorer>yes
04:50<mjk>64k, right?
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04:51<formorer>I don't know the numbers exactly, but there is one (it comes from the glibc)
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04:54<Internat>is it large?
04:54<Internat>say larger then 10000?
04:55<mjk>Internat: From /etc/group: nogroup:x:65534:
04:55<mjk>Internat: So I wouldn't go beyond 64k.
04:55<mjk>Internat: But you can try. :-)
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04:56<Internat>if i need that many groups, im going to cry :) so im not really worried
04:56<Maulkin>bl0ck: I'd try #qmail ircnet (http://images.fotopic.net/?id=43346310&source=admin)
04:56<Internat>i dont really forsee needing more then 100
04:56<Maulkin>no...
04:56<Maulkin>http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/details.php?net=IRCnet
04:56<Maulkin>There
04:56<Internat>but hey i just thought id check
04:57<mjk>Internat: Always a good idea. :-)
04:57<Internat>indeed
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04:57<Internat>save me building a system to realise groups would be my failing point :)
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05:10<rhoruns>does anyone know of a good c++ ide for linux??
05:10<lupine_85>kdevelop?
05:10<rhoruns>i dont use KDE
05:11<mjk>rhoruns: eclipse maybe?
05:11<rhoruns>oh
05:11<mjk>rhoruns: (Although I'm not sure if it's suitable for C++)
05:11<Ganneff>emacs
05:11<bzed>rhoruns: ecli[se
05:11<bzed>or vim
05:11<Ganneff>with ecb
05:11<mjk>rhoruns: cat
05:11<mjk>;-)
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05:12<rhoruns>cat?
05:12<rhoruns>lol
05:12<mjk>=)
05:12<mjk>At least you can run that on a 386sx-16, as opposed to Eclipse.
05:12<bzed>indeed
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05:12<bzed>rhoruns: eclipse-cdt is my favourite
05:12<rhoruns>you completely confused me lol
05:13<MoDaX>mjk: debian won't run on 386
05:13<lawnninja>what normally cause a bunch of .lock files to appear in the apache2 dir?
05:13<mjk>MoDaX: Oh, I forgot, yeah ... 486 is the minimum requirement, right?
05:13<MoDaX>mjk: yes
05:13<mjk>MoDaX: Then he shall install Potato or whatever there was before. :-)
05:13<yangvnc>could someone review this ffmpeg error - http://paste.debian.net/33272
05:14<jm_>Hamm
05:14<mjk>Hamm?
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05:14<mjk>Heavy Asses Make Mothers?
05:14<jm_>!release history
05:14<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-03-08). The next release will be lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>.
05:14<jm_>Slink actually
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05:14<mjk>jm_: Slink was the last 386 Debian?
05:15<jm_>mjk: naah, Sarge (supposedly, but not quite sure)
05:15<mjk>jm_: Ah okay.
05:15<jm_>i.e. it was meant to work on 386 but it featured some stuff that apparently doesn't
05:15<jm_>if my memory serves me well
05:16<mjk>I see ... well, can't remember, either, and I do /not/ want to run a modern Unix on a 386, not even my 386DX-40.
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05:17<faderhval>salutations people
05:17<MoDaX>etch release date is wrong! it should be 2007-04-08
05:17<jm_>last similar masochism I tied was Win95 on 386-something and MFM disk :)
05:17<jm_>fix it?
05:17<yangvnc>mjk: www.distrowatch.com can help you find a small linux distribution
05:17<MoDaX>dunno how
05:18<MoDaX>andmaybe I'm not even allowed to
05:18<mjk>yangvnc: Thanks, I knew that link! But the problem is that my demands grew a little. :-}
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05:18<mjk>yangvnc: I'm spoilt, I guess.
05:18<jm_>fixed
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05:19<yangvnc>mjk: mjk its better to find a still-maintaned distribution which supports i386, than going back to woody...
05:19<lawnninja>can someone please tell me what .lock files are?
05:19<faderhval>i lost directory how do i search for it?
05:19<mjk>yangvnc: Definitely.
05:19<mjk>faderhval: "man find"
05:19<valdyn>umm, does _any_ distro support true 386, as this is a gcc issue
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05:19<mjk>faderhval: Err, wait ... what do you mean by "lost"?
05:20<mjk>faderhval: Does that mean you deleted it?
05:20<faderhval>nope :) i installed a package that came with apache2 server and now i cant find the htdocs folder :S
05:20<jm_>that's normal - there are no folders on Unix filesystems
05:21<mjk>faderhval: 1) find, 2) dpkg -L <package> lists all files inside a package.
05:21<MoDaX>faderhval: /var/www
05:21<mjk>jm_: Although I don't use the term "folder" for Unix: Is there a difference between folder and directory?
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05:22<lawnninja>??
05:22<valdyn>mjk: its a metaphor for 'directory' that is not used in unix
05:22<mjk>lawnninja: Lock files prevent multiple applications writing to the same file simultaneously.
05:22<mjk>valdyn: That's exactly what I thought.
05:23<lawnninja>mjk: is there a way to remove them? apache doesn't seem to wanna start back up
05:23<jm_>mjk: well there are mail folders (it's supposed to be a "joke" anyway)
05:23<mjk>valdyn: Like "forum" is never used for Usenet and "room" isn't used for IRC.
05:24<mjk>lawnninja: You could remove them with "rm <name of lock file>", but you should be sure that no process uses that file currently. (fuser -v <name of lock file>)
05:24<MoDaX>konqueror lets you "create new folder...". these terms are synonyms, folder being more newbie friendly maybe
05:24<faderhval>hmm... must be doing something wrong it just outputs no such fileor catalouge
05:24<mjk>lawnninja: Hm, although fuser is not a good way to find out if the lock file is used by a process.
05:24<lawnninja>mjk: it looks like it locked all the config files in the apache2 dir including the ones in the folders
05:25<lawnninja>so rm on each one would take a really long time
05:25<bl0ck>how can i prevent the use of the php mail function for sending spam
05:25<mjk>lawnninja: "find -iname .lock | xargs rm" -- but be sure to have a backup. No liability assumed.
05:26<bl0ck>are there any options in the php.ini i can use?
05:26<bl0ck>the problem comes always from buggie php scripts used on webhosting servers
05:26<bl0ck>is it possible to restrict the count of "to" "cc" "bcc"
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05:29<mjk>lawnninja: "find -name .lock" could actually be better, because it doesn't match .Lock etc., but I guess that doesn't matter.
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05:31<lawnninja>mjk: if I run just find -name .lock I don't get any output
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05:32<mjk>lawnninja: When running that command from your htdoc directory? (Or whatever directory contains the dirs with .lock files).
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05:33<lawnninja>mjk: correct, I thought I would try just runnign find -name .lock and I got nothing
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05:33<mjk>lawnninja: And you're sure that the subdirectories contain files named ".lock"?
05:34<lawnninja>mjk: I'm in the same directory as the .lock files
05:34<mjk>lawnninja: Then you *must* get a list of .lock files.
05:34<lawnninja>mjk: find *.lock seems to output what I want
05:35<jm_>mjk: files are named 'foo.lock' I think
05:35<mjk>d'oh!
05:35<jm_>not .lock literally ;)
05:35<mjk>lawnninja: Sorry, you only wrote ".lock", so I thought that was the complete file name of the lock files.
05:35<lawnninja>mjk: lol.... I got it, find *.lock | xargs rm
05:35<lawnninja>and now they are gone
05:35<mjk>lawnninja: And so is the root directory.
05:36<mjk>lawnninja: Just kidding. ;-)
05:36<lawnninja>mjk: I know
05:36<lawnninja>lol
05:36<mjk>=)
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05:36<lawnninja>I'm so new at all this
05:36<mjk>lawnninja: It was worth a try. ;-)
05:36<lawnninja>it's kind of frustrating at times
05:36<schoappied>Hi, I've installed pdftk on Debian etch kde, but I'm not able to start the program :/
05:36<lawnninja>I mean I googled the hell out of it and couldn't get an answer
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05:37<mjk>lawnninja: frustration will be replaced by trust the more you know the system. But if you gain even more knowledge, trust turns into frustration again. ;-)
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05:37<suiside>schoappied: you have to be more specific if you want help, why can't you start it? any errors?
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05:38<schoappied>suiside: install is ok, if I want to run it in the konsole it just doesn't open the program, no errors....
05:39<mjk>schoappied: When I run "pdftk" with no arguments, I get a listing of available options etc.
05:40<mjk>schoappied: Is "konsole" a terminal window that only has only one line and vanishes after the program has been executed?
05:40<schoappied>mjk: sorry you're right.... maybe I doesn't exactly understand how the problem works ? :/
05:40<mjk>schoappied: Look in the manpage. :-)
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05:40<mjk>schoappied: The program needs various arguments and options to work.
05:40<mjk>schoappied: Type "man pdftk" to learn more about it (and hit 'q' to quit the pager).
05:41<schoappied>mjk: ok, thanks ;)
05:42<lawnninja>mjk: You don't happen to be good with name based virtual servers in apache do you?
05:42<lawnninja>lol
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05:44<mjk>lawnninja: :-) Alas, no.
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05:49<lawnninja>mjk: that's a bummer..... I'm having some issues with that too
05:49<lawnninja>before I had this current issue
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05:54<apprado>ola
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05:54<apprado>loa
05:55<apprado>fvghjj
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05:55<apprado>mierda
05:55<apprado>autyfqwyu
05:55<apprado>ola
05:56<apprado>ayuda
05:56<apprado>hhhtg8o
05:56<witte>apprado: your keyboard is working, please stop
05:57<apprado>dcdddsrhkhh
05:57<apprado>jkjlklhr
05:57<Maulkin>!es
05:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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05:58<Maulkin>apprado: no el Spam por favor.
05:58<apprado>iieii4fi4fi34
05:59<Maulkin>(I think that's right...)
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05:59<apprado>wapa
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06:00<apprado>çñjlklñl
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06:01<Maulkin>That's better
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06:03<witte>Maulkin: but he left himself i guess, or did you trow him out?
06:03<Myon>he quit
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06:03<witte>Maulkin: and I guess you tried to ban him, but if he is behind a nat, wont you ban the entire nat subnet, or is that only for a short while (just curious
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06:05<Maulkin>I removed the ban, and created a mute on his IP
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06:05<Maulkin>!ping
06:05<dpkg>pong
06:05<Maulkin>Good good
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06:16<Cav_>hi, im looking for some help configuring ethernet ports, can anyone give me a hand?
06:16<petemc>whats the problem?
06:18<Cav_>well i have two mobo ethernet ports and two in a pci card, i need them all bound together. But at the moment i only have eth0 running
06:19<petemc>you want bonding?
06:19<jm_>I wouldn't mind doing some James Bonding either
06:20<petemc>saucy
06:20<faderhval>uhm... guys how do i see how much spaceis left on my drives?
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06:20<suiside>df -h
06:20<jm_>!grounding
06:20<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client)
06:20<jm_>faderhval: ^^^^^
06:21<Cav_>yes, its pretty hot
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06:25<KDEusr1>is this like a official ppc debian channel?
06:25<Maulkin>#debian-ppc
06:26<KDEusr1>there is no deb ppc Maulkin !
06:26<KDEusr1>wtf?
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06:26<JasonS>KDEusr1: tried on freenode?
06:26<Maulkin>!ppc
06:26<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc
06:26<Ganneff>!ppc
06:27<Ganneff>arr, a second to late
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06:33<Internat>anyone happent o know if there is a way i can make linux call shutdown on my windows computer?
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06:34<mjk>Internat: If there is an appropriate command for Windows and you have putty installed, yes.
06:34<Internat>iw as hoping thru like smbclient or net or something
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06:37<suiside>could also be done with a sshd running in cygwin on the windows
06:37<lawnninja>mjk: I got the virtual servers figured out
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06:38<tarzeau>what's wrong when i get Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
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06:38<mjk>lawnninja: Ah, good!
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06:46<mjk>What's the best (or at least the most secure) encryption algorithm for disk encryption? AES, twofish or serpent?
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07:03<berat>hey
07:03<berat>i have two problem
07:03<Maulkin>!ask
07:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
07:03<berat>i forget to give password for root
07:03<berat>what can i do
07:04<Maulkin>can you log in as root with no password?
07:04<berat>yeah
07:04<Maulkin>then run (as root) "passwd"
07:04<berat>but when i wrote su to terminal it wants to a passwd
07:05<Maulkin>press enter
07:05<berat>i am able to login root from shell
07:05<jm_>mjk: shouldn't matter much which you choose
07:05<berat>it says
07:05<berat>authentication failure
07:06<berat>Maulkin,
07:06<Maulkin>berat: then it possibly does have a password set
07:06<berat>hmm
07:06<Maulkin>berat: log in as root, and run "passwd"
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07:07<berat>Maulkin,
07:07<berat>from pure shell
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07:08<berat>i am able to log in but from gdm when i log in as root it wantts apasswd
07:08<Maulkin>yes.
07:08<berat>and not log in
07:08<Maulkin>Log in from a shell. And type "passwd"
07:08<berat>ha ok
07:08<Maulkin>you can then set the password.
07:09<berat>ok
07:09<berat>thank you
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07:09<mjk>jm_: Hm, okay.
07:09<Maulkin>you also can't log in as root from gdm by default
07:09<berat>i knw that
07:09<berat>there is one problem
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07:10<berat>another problem i mean
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07:15<lawnninja>mjk: you still here?
07:15<mjk>lawnninja: Yep.
07:16<lawnninja>mjk: try this address for me
07:16<lawnninja>http://iliketo.servebeer.com:81
07:16<mjk>lawnninja: The Show of Death!
07:16<lawnninja>shoe
07:16<mjk>lawnninja: Shoe, even
07:16<lawnninja>haha
07:17<lawnninja>and also this one
07:17<lawnninja>http://id.servebeer.com:81
07:17<mjk>lawnninja: Bookmarks
07:17<lawnninja>I can't test it from inside my network
07:17<lawnninja>cool
07:17<mjk>lawnninja: :-)
07:17<lawnninja>those both point to my box
07:17<lawnninja>so virtual hosts are working
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07:19<Kilwest>i have php5 and php4 installed - from the command line php5 is used but i want php4 to be used... how can i change that?
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07:20<berat>!paste
07:20<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
07:20<ben_goodger>symlink /usr/bin/php to /usr/bin/php4 ?
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07:20<ben_goodger>berat: that's completely irrelevant
07:20<berat>whawhat
07:21<witte>!tell berat -about selftell
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07:23<Eulex>!tell Kilwest about alternatives
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07:24<berat>my screen slides the left
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07:24<Kilwest>cool thanks
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07:25<berat>i man it doesnt view correctly
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07:25<ben_goodger>berat: adjust your monitor
07:25<berat>what can i do
07:25<berat>i am not able to adjust
07:25<valdyn>!xvidtune
07:25<dpkg>[xvidtune] for tweaking your modeline timeings. This will prevent adjusting your monitor every time the mode changes.
07:25<berat>when i am clicking screen res
07:25<berat>it says there is a bug
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07:25<valdyn>!modeline
07:25<dpkg>you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline
07:26<valdyn>berat: it doesnt 'say' anything. You can paste the actual message if you want any help.
07:26<ben_goodger>those links are both broken, ffs
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07:27<berat>the application gnome-display propertiesw has crashd
07:27<valdyn>ben_goodger: are they?
07:27<estefan>ola a todos
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07:27<ben_goodger>valdyn: click them
07:27<mjk>!es
07:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:27[~]ben_goodger rolls eyes
07:27<valdyn>ben_goodger: i did, both work
07:28<ben_goodger>valdyn: you don't get two 404s then?
07:28<valdyn>ben_goodger: nope, i get the actual sites
07:28<stew>same here
07:28<sep>ben_goodger, works for me too
07:28<ben_goodger>obviously apache 1.3.34 has a module that allows it to present errors to some people and not others
07:28<valdyn>ben_goodger: i doubt that
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07:29<stew>it does, but i doubt that is what is happening
07:29<valdyn>ben_goodger: i doubt that that is used.
07:29<sep>ben_goodger, more likely it's your browser resolver proxy or PEBKAC
07:29<ben_goodger>I'm not running a proxy
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07:29<ben_goodger>I'm not using a proxy
07:29<ben_goodger>the 404s are from the server
07:29<valdyn>ben_goodger: you dont need a module to have such a feature, its trivial cgi/php/whatever
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07:30<A|yoq>irem_06_yuqqqq:DD:D
07:30<A|yoq>hello
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07:30<irem_06_yuqqqq>:?
07:30<sep>ben_goodger, check that you didn't include the , in calc.html,
07:30<valdyn>ben_goodger: you dont know if you are using a transparent proxy
07:30<berat>hmm
07:31<ben_goodger>valdyn: why would a transparent proxy alter the effects of a server?
07:31<Maulkin>ben_goodger: a transparent proxy can send back whatever it wants to.
07:31<ben_goodger>ah, by typing in the URL manually it works for some reason
07:31<valdyn>ben_goodger: why would you conclude that?
07:31<valdyn>so you really just had a typo
07:31<berat>my my xorg.conf contains 1024*768 visual rate
07:32<berat>but
07:32<ben_goodger>...no, I clicked on the link in xchat. it didn't include the ,
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07:32<berat>when i clicking screen resolution from gnome menu
07:32<valdyn>ben_goodger: run xvidtune till things fit, then add that modline properly to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:32<valdyn>ben_goodger: ops
07:32<valdyn>berat: run xvidtune till things fit, then add that modline properly to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
07:32<berat>it indicate 800 600 1152 1024
07:33<valdyn>berat: so?
07:33<soar>hello everyone. How can I change preferred application from Abiword to openoffice.org when I open an attachment with .doc in Evolution.
07:33<soar>i use GNOME.
07:34<valdyn>soar: vi ~/.mailcap, i guess
07:34<valdyn>soar: man mailcap, see /etc/mailcap for the system-wide file
07:34<ben_goodger>soar: find a .doc file in the file browser, right click, select properties, select open with, choose abiword... if evolution is any good at all, that will do it
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07:35<soar>thanks
07:35<soar>I will try your suggestions at once.
07:35<berat>iti cant report the bug
07:35<berat>it says the product specify doesnt exist
07:35<berat>what does that mean ?
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07:36<A|yoq>irem_06_yuqqqq
07:36<A|yoq>küfür edekmi:d
07:37<irem_06_yuqqqq>:)
07:37<irem_06_yuqqqq>biliyon mu ki
07:37<A|yoq>sizin ben a.q
07:37<irem_06_yuqqqq>hiç
07:37<irem_06_yuqqqq>:D
07:37<A|yoq>ibneler sizi
07:37<Maulkin>erm...
07:37<berat>ne yani
07:37<A|yoq>hadi çýkalým
07:37<Maulkin>!tr
07:37<dpkg>somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
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07:37<berat>kufur ediyorsunuz da basiniz goge mi eriyor
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07:37<berat>hey
07:37<berat>this person swear to someone
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07:39<ben_goodger>wow, check out the diatrics on that
07:39<berat>http://picpaste.com/snapshot1.png
07:40<berat>pls someone look at that
07:40<ben_goodger>it's a picture of the debian pastebin. hooray
07:41<berat>sırry
07:41<soar>ben_goodger, thanks. Your solution is simple and clear. I get it done as I expected.
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07:41<berat>thats to weird
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07:42<berat>i pictured my desktop with ksnapshot
07:42<ben_goodger>soar: you're very welcome
07:42<berat>that normal view
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07:42<aricz>Hello, anyone know which file the font gets set up at startup?
07:42<berat>but now my screen slided to left
07:43<ben_goodger>aricz: if you mean "where are the fonts put", it's /usr/share/fonts/
07:44<aricz>ben_goodger : no, when debian boots, it sets the font at the end of the initializing .. I'm just wondering which file it is (I want to change the font it loads)
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07:45<ben_goodger>oh, I see
07:45<ben_goodger>that's what I suspected
07:45<ben_goodger>and I haven't a clue, I'm afraid
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07:46<aricz>oki
07:48<Kilwest>i need to recompile my php cli binary with postgres support - how do i do this? :s
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07:50<gsimmons>Kilwest: You shouldn't be required to. Just install the relevant 'php(4|5)-pgsql' package.
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07:50<witte>Kilwest: does the output of "apt-cache search postgres|grep php" help
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07:51<Kilwest>i will try that now gsimmons
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07:52<Kilwest>gsimmons: thanks that worked
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08:25<masteraccurate>hi there! I am searching for debian woody iso cd 1... where can i get it?
08:25<gsimmons>!woody
08:25<dpkg>it has been said that woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>.
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08:26<masteraccurate>cool... thx :) i love you!
08:26<witte>masteraccurate: can i ask you why you would need woody?
08:26<masteraccurate>my old cd is broken...
08:26<masteraccurate>:(
08:27<witte>masteraccurate: why don't you run a newer version of debian?
08:27<masteraccurate>but i just have sarge and etch, too
08:27<witte>ok, but sarge is also old, but you do whatever you want :-)
08:27<masteraccurate>:)
08:28<masteraccurate>i think woody is better than sarge and etch!!
08:28<masteraccurate>':-/
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08:28<masteraccurate>the installing and configuring routines are better in woody
08:28<rhoruns>hey, how do i create a mount point?
08:29<witte>masteraccurate: it is very stable: *nothing* is changing there :-)
08:29<witte>rhoruns: "mkdir whatever"
08:29<rhoruns>oh ok
08:29<masteraccurate>if you say so
08:29<witte>masteraccurate: but also no security updates
08:30<witte>but as I said before, you use whatever you want
08:30<masteraccurate>with woody i dont have so many problems like with sarge or etch
08:30<masteraccurate>woody was better to controlling the installation like in newer versions
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08:31<witte>masteraccurate: I never used woody (back then i used red hat/fedora, and i started only with debian sarge (then testing)
08:32<masteraccurate>than you must test woody... its really good i mean
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08:32<masteraccurate>in sarge and etch you have more to search for to do not something false
08:34<witte>masteraccurate: i will keep it in mind, but i am a bit afraid of hardware support. My hardware is not that new, but new compared to woody ...
08:34<masteraccurate>i had try to install rpm on etch... but i dont know why it dont like to be installed?
08:34<valdyn>!woody
08:34<dpkg>i heard woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>.
08:34<masteraccurate>yes ok.... the hardwaresupport in woody is not the best... but you can get all what you need
08:35<masteraccurate>and a distribution upgrade from woody to sarge and to etch is possible too
08:35<masteraccurate>that i wanne do after i have installed and configured my system with woody
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08:36<masteraccurate>so i after configuration not have any problems like to install my system with sarge or etch
08:36<witte>masteraccurate: i think you will have less work when you start from etch rightaway
08:36<masteraccurate>etch is so controllless
08:36<valdyn>masteraccurate: you dont know what you are talking about
08:36<valdyn>masteraccurate: i suggest you read the install guide
08:36<masteraccurate>yes i had
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08:36<masteraccurate>but i am a hardcore console user
08:36<Eulex>and?
08:37<masteraccurate>... N/C... have to work now
08:37<Eulex>you want just a console? no reason you can't get that with etch too.
08:37<masteraccurate>:) thank you for helping me
08:37<masteraccurate>no... not only console to work with
08:37<masteraccurate>but installation i am running with console
08:37<Eulex>yes?
08:38<Eulex>etch too.
08:38<masteraccurate>all other ways are shit... (sry)
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08:38<fxiny>etch installer is the best
08:38<valdyn>when debian has a graphical installer, there's people who complain, when there's a curses installer they complain that its not graphical. Even if the functionality is _EXACTLY_ the same ( and the interface quite similar )
08:39<JasonS>valdyn: human nature
08:39<fxiny>true
08:39<masteraccurate>so now my problem: i had installed etch... and i wanted to install rpm over apt... but it diddnt work
08:39<masteraccurate>with sarge diddnt work to
08:39<masteraccurate>i know that with woody it works
08:39<valdyn>masteraccurate: that's a good thing
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08:39<masteraccurate>... because i had do it so bevore
08:40<witte> sudo apt-get install rpm
08:40<witte>masteraccurate: just tried it, that works...
08:40<witte>on etch
08:40<valdyn>masteraccurate: unfortunately you can install rpms in sarge/etch too after you install 'rpm'. But its stupid to do so in any case.
08:40<masteraccurate>egal... forget me please :)
08:40<masteraccurate>yes.. you can isnstall rpm
08:40<masteraccurate>but it do not works after installation... why?
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08:41<masteraccurate>some error message only ...
08:41<masteraccurate>but now i dont know it
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08:41<valdyn>masteraccurate: rpms are not made for debian ever, same as .deb files are not made for fedora or rhel, ever. Isn't that obvious?
08:41<masteraccurate>i know but i need it
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08:42<valdyn>masteraccurate: nah, you dont, there's decent solutions to this
08:42<masteraccurate>my way out of the problem is to install at first woody.. than upgrade to sarge and etch...
08:42<valdyn>masteraccurate: maintaining 2 parallel possibly conflicing package / file databases is bad.
08:42<Eulex>masteraccurate, if you really really need to use an rpm in debian, pleeeaase use alien.
08:42<fxiny>ugrading woody from cd1 to sarge ? good luck !
08:43<masteraccurate>and the second problem is: apt was working under woody very good.. what is now done with it? so shit i had never seen in my live.... i hate etch... (sry) but i love debian
08:43<valdyn>!tell masteraccurate -about ask
08:44<stew>masteraccurate: you'll have to get us specifics if you want help
08:44<Eulex>masteraccurate, you might want to state your exact problems so we could get a chance of helping you instead of saying that everything is crap.
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08:45<masteraccurate>if debian where on the wallstreet.. it wanne break down.,... :P
08:45<masteraccurate>since sarge and etch
08:45<fxiny>wall what ?
08:45<masteraccurate>no more problem.... i was just searching for woody cd1 :) now i have :)
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08:46<masteraccurate>i was only talking about what is going bad since sarge...
08:46<fxiny>nothing
08:46<masteraccurate>=)
08:46<masteraccurate>I LOVE YOU TOO
08:46<masteraccurate><kiss>
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08:46<stew>masteraccurate: if you are having a problem you want help with. tell us specifically what is going wrong. if you are just here to complain, please just don't bother
08:47<masteraccurate>later... ok... but i have to download and install first woody on a server ... or i dont get my money for eat.. :)
08:48<masteraccurate>if i go this way i wanne die :(
08:48<fxiny>you'll go throgh the door if you insist on installing woody on a "server"
08:48<fxiny>through*
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08:49<Eulex>masteraccurate, woody is old and doesn't get security updates.
08:49<fxiny>that's it
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08:49[~]linux-fox happy
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08:51<masteraccurate>this is my way: install woody, install and configure the system and deamons, bugfixing, upgrading to sarge, configuring, bugfixing, upgrading to etch bugfixing.. then my system wanne work how i like to see it working with debian
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08:51<valdyn>hahahahha
08:51<sep>masteraccurate, you know. if you specified what software you needed rpm to install you might actualy get usefull hints on how to do it in a more sane way
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08:51<masteraccurate>i know.. thats a long way but the system wanne be more secure than install just etch
08:51<valdyn>masteraccurate: you cant be serious
08:51<sep>masteraccurate, most likely the deamon you install in woody wont work in etch becouse of newer kernels and libc
08:52<masteraccurate>not only rpm.. .but it was one of the problems i had with the installation
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08:52<masteraccurate>thats no problem.. i wanne upgrade the deamons too
08:52<masteraccurate>and kernels too
08:52<masteraccurate>one step by one... not all at once
08:52<sep>masteraccurate, then why not just install etch, then install the deamons. you make no sense at all
08:53<Kilwest>i appear to have broken my apache2 install - i did "apt-get remove php5-cli" because i only want to run php4, i reloaded the required packages but now i can't browse to the web server, although it is running
08:53<Eulex>... at least he gets practice upgrading debian ...
08:53<masteraccurate>... ok.. think some time back: when woody was newest version....
08:53<masteraccurate>it was all working fine...
08:53<sep>masteraccurate, and you have not yet stated your problem with etch (that works on woody)
08:53<sep>masteraccurate, define "all"
08:53<masteraccurate>after it sarge was coming... i was upgrading my own server.. it was all fine...
08:53<sep>masteraccurate, again define "all"
08:54<masteraccurate>after that is now etch.. i was upgrading my own server.. and all works at best
08:54<masteraccurate>only with etch it do not works so fine
08:54[~]JasonS thinks masteraccurate should live up to thier nick more :)
08:54<sep>what is "it"
08:54<stew>masteraccurate: exactly what doesn't work? and how does it not work? do you get an error message?
08:54<masteraccurate>it: my system (debian system)
08:55[~]sep thinks masteraccurate is a troll. and goes home for dinner.
08:55<stew>masteraccurate: what about it doesn't work?
08:55<masteraccurate>uff.. its some time ago.. i just dont know what
08:55<sep>!don't work
08:55<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
08:55<Kilwest>is there anything more than the apache2 package i need to install?
08:55<masteraccurate>but there are many things
08:56<stew>masteraccurate: we need specifics if you want us to help you
08:56<masteraccurate>i wannte do some tests at home with my older servers.. than i can tell you.. but not now
08:56<valdyn>Kilwest: what is 'browse the webserver' ? You mean host/index.html, or some php or what?
08:56<Kilwest>hi valdyn: yes when i browse to it's IP it just 404's me
08:57<masteraccurate>i have to work now for money so that the server here wanne work at best and not with security problems aso.
08:57<valdyn>Kilwest: so there's no index.html
08:57<Kilwest>it was working before i started removing php5
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08:57<Kilwest>apache2 is installed - the files are there.. they just don't display when i browse to them
08:57<Kilwest>so yes apache2-default/index.html exists
08:58<valdyn>Kilwest: read the apache2 log
08:58<Kilwest>where is that? :$
08:58<stew>Kilwest: check /var/log/apache2/error.log
08:58<Kilwest>ok :)
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08:59<Kilwest>ok the logs are indecating the changes i've made in the /etc/apache2/sites-available/default are no longer working
09:00<Kilwest>the reason i made changes to it was for squiz.net CMS installation i'm working through
09:00[~]fxiny builds another small altar north to L.W. : TheAccuracy altar ...
09:00<Kilwest>the contents of the default folder are the same as on this page: http://www.code-poetry.com/2006/05/28/tutorial-step-by-step-setup-of-a-mysource-matrix-cms-on-a-blank-debian-31/
09:01<Kilwest>default file*
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09:02<fxiny>code poetry ? it sounds familiar to me ...
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09:06<Kilwest>i'm just restarting apache2 with the old default file's contents to see what happens
09:06<Kilwest>ok it works again
09:06<Kilwest>i'll follow through this tut installation again xD
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09:10<Kilwest>just a quick question in relation to this /etc/apache2/sites-available/ folder
09:10<Kilwest>what is the "default~" file in there?
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09:11<mikegrb>the default vhost
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09:11<Kilwest>there was a "default" file and also a "default~" file
09:11<mikegrb>oh, that is from a text editor saving a backup
09:11<Kilwest>ah
09:11<Kilwest>can i remove it?
09:12<mikegrb>yes
09:12<Kilwest>hmm the ~ character doesn't come out right when i'm in terminal :s
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09:12<Kilwest>ah, tab :P
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09:20<bighornram>any information about ffmpeg, I'm getting dependency on libfreetype6 needs to be 2.3.5 but 2.2.1-6 is to be installed.
09:20<bighornram>using lenny
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09:24<witte>bighornram: i think that is a package of debian-multimedia, and not really part of debian
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09:26<Kilwest>i don't think my php is setup correctly in my apache2, how do i check that?
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09:26<formorer><?php phpinfo() ?>
09:26<bighornram>hmm ok ~~ right on the debian-multimedia homepage ~~ 16/07/2007 :
09:26<bighornram>I did a mistake when ffmeg 3:20070710-0.0 has been added in testing. This package depends on the libfreetype6 2.3.5 unstable package.
09:26<bighornram>The only solution is to wait for this package (libfreetype6) in testing.
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09:27<Kilwest>i mean i know it's not working - where in the apache conf can i check?
09:27<bighornram>witte: thanks, I've been googling on and off for days but didn't find that.
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09:27<witte>no problem
09:27<tlmiller>Is there a way to get debian to tell me what a client is passing as a connection argument? I'm trying to use: if [ "$*" != "-c sftp-server" ]; then in a sftponly type shell but the WinSCP client chokes, presumeably because it is not passing -c sftp-server ?
09:27<Kilwest>maybe it's just the mime support
09:27<gsimmons>Kilwest: Ensure that you have the PHP4 module loaded ("a2enmod php4"), then restart your Apache server.
09:28<gsimmons>s/loaded/enabled/
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09:30<Kilwest>gsimmons: i had ran the apt-get commands from the start of this tut: http://www.code-poetry.com/2006/05/28/tutorial-step-by-step-setup-of-a-mysource-matrix-cms-on-a-blank-debian-31/
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09:33<mjk>Does cryptsetup/dm-crypt have any advantages over manual losetup (with twofish)? LUKS is not needed. Just need LVM on an encrypted device.
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09:36<gsimmons>Kilwest: Yes, you mentioned that about 30 minutes ago. It is strange that the guide doesn't mention to install 'libapache2-mod-php4'.
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09:37<Kilwest>ok thanks gsimmons that's what i'm getting down now
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09:49<tmp>i am install debian4 from net, after downloading appears window "printer setup error" and installation failed.. but I don't have a printer.What I should do to resume installation from the same point without having to download files again?
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09:53<rmaj>hello
09:54<rmaj>debian managed to remove own mount program
09:54<rmaj>making system unbootable, wtf
09:55<GhostlyDeath>a configure script gives me this "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables", am I missing any packages?
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09:55<gsimmons>!tell GhostlyDeath -about b-e
09:56<rmaj>how to install the /bin/mount ?
09:56<spGrob>hello i have some install trouble with deb, are the source.- list on the net-instal iso incorrect?
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09:58<spGrob>srry for the 'uggly' english :-)
09:58<spGrob>i using the stable version.
09:58<GhostlyDeath>gsimmons: your !tell solution has failed
09:59<tmp>spGrob debian 4?
09:59<spGrob>yes
09:59<gsimmons>GhostlyDeath: Pastebin the output you receive when attempting to compile.
09:59<tmp>he.. printer setup?
09:59<spGrob>?
09:59<tmp>i have install problem too
10:00<spGrob>apt cant download packages.
10:00<witte>rmaj: /bin/mount is in the mount package
10:00<spGrob>i control the source.list, but it seems correct.
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10:01<GhostlyDeath>gsimmons: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=38693
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10:02<rmaj>witte: but it insnt installed after apt-get install mount
10:02<rmaj>--reinstall
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10:03<witte>rmaj: mmm, strange, it should. Which debian are you running.
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10:04<rmaj>witte: testing
10:04<gsimmons>GhostlyDeath: And what are you trying to compile?
10:04<GhostlyDeath>wine
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10:04<rmaj>this is really dissapointing
10:04<speed_dima>who tar*
10:05<witte>rmaj: i have testing as well, and I have mount in /bin, just reinstalled it, and it is still there :-)
10:05<witte>rmaj: do you have a special architecture or so?
10:05<francois>Hello, how can I do an "apt-get install <package>" preventing it to auto-start the installed package (i would like to configure it manually first)?
10:06<rmaj>witte: no
10:06<rmaj>witte: remove it by hand and then see if reinstall fixes i
10:06<rmaj>it
10:06<spGrob>hello, is there any problem with debian 4.0 and the apt installer? i using the net-install iso. no package where downloaded.
10:07<witte>rmaj: do a "dpkg -l |grep mount"
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10:07<rmaj>witte: it is "ii"
10:07<witte>rmaj: well I appreciate my working system (I am at work, so i would rather not get a system without mount ;-)
10:07<gsimmons>GhostlyDeath: Do you have 'libc6-dev-i386' installed?
10:07<witte>yes, but which verison
10:08<GhostlyDeath>gsimmons: yes
10:08<rmaj>witte: so make a backup
10:08<rmaj>move the file
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10:10<tmp>spGrob with download using the net-install iso i have no problem
10:10<witte>rmaj: i did, and it works fine...
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10:11<spGrob>tmp, oh
10:11<rmaj>witte: it fails here
10:11<rmaj>witte: I think it happened when I installed loop aes
10:11<rmaj>and/or cryptomount
10:11<witte>rmaj: I have none of those packages
10:11<rmaj>this is a grave bug? when system removes own mount and then refuses to install it?
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10:13<witte>rmaj: yes, but not against mount i think, but the one that makes mount not install it
10:13<witte>rmaj: you can try to debug the install scripts of mount
10:13<tmp>i am install debian4 from net, after downloading appears window "printer setup error" and installation failed.. but I don't have a printer.What should i do to resume installation from the same point without having to download files again?
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10:15<vto>?
10:16<francois>is it possible to install a package with apt-get without it doing the --configure? (to do later a dpkg --configure -a)
10:18<carstenh>francois: apt-get install -d package && dpkg --unpack package_....deb?
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10:21<goatmale>whats the command to delete directories?
10:21<carstenh>tmp: swich to a shell and try apt-get remove --purge '.*cups.*'
10:21<carstenh>rmdir or rm -rf
10:22<goatmale>i see i was doing rm -df
10:22<goatmale>tuanks
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10:22<tmp>carstenh thanks
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10:23<gsimmons>GhostlyDeath: You'd want to read <http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-7a277214ee284c1915cd6c431f6369cfcde97e3c>.
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10:27<faderhval>greetings... somethings off with my clock the config is set to GMT and the timezone is correct but im still 2 hours ahead on my clock?
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10:28[~]witte also want a computer that is ahead of its time :-)
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10:29<witte>faderhval: did you run ntpdate
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10:29<tmp>to setup 2 videocards enougth to edit x11 config file?
10:30<witte>tmp: yes
10:30<faderhval>no mom.
10:30<tmp>i should see 2 desktops?
10:31<witte>tmp: depends on how you configure it
10:31<faderhval>witte: No servers can be used exiting
10:31<witte>tmp: you also can have one big desktop spread over two screens
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10:32<witte>faderhval: you need to do ntpdate <ntpserver>
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10:33<witte>you can find servers here: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome
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10:34<faderhval>witte: thank you how do i copy/paste from xterm?
10:34<witte>!paste
10:34<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
10:35<faderhval>wasn't going wanted to copy the URL you send :)
10:35<faderhval>going to*
10:36<witte>you mean copy from a xterm to something else? select and middle mouse button?
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10:38<faderhval>yup.. thanks
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10:44<faderhval>i tried both the servers from my country but it still returns no server suitable for sync
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10:47<Maulkin>faderhval: try "ntpdate pool.ntp.org"
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10:50<faderhval>hep hep it worked
10:50<faderhval>thanks
10:50<mosty>does anyone know how to compile comedi-source? it doesn't work with module-assistant, and the comedi cvs does not compile either, i'm using kernel 2.6.21.5 on this particular machine
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10:55<pablo_>hola
10:55<JasonS>!br
10:55<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:01<Cav_>hi, i'm looking for some samba help, for some reason i cant connect to my samba server from another computer, yet it works fine testing it from the server itself. anyone have any experience or advice on this?
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11:04<frank>Cav_: do you have some iptables rules setup? do you use some hosts allow/deny in your smb.conf? do you use interfaces option?
11:04<lkcl>allo darlins. 5x sgi indy workstations available, 2x "indigo 2" workstations available, at my local shop here in holland. details here, if anyone's interested: http://advogato.org/person/lkcl/diary.html?start=417
11:04<frank>how do you try to connect
11:04<frank>lkcl: this is not ebay
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11:05<lkcl>frank: you're absolutely right. and if i was interested in making money, i would be on ebay, wouldn't i?
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11:07<JasonS>lkcl: so instead you are a spammer here
11:07<nathanv>I'm wondering, is http://libmpeg2.sourceforge.net/ legal to redistribute without paying mpegla?
11:07<JasonS>!op lkcl is spamming hardware sales
11:07<dpkg>okay, JasonS
11:07<JasonS>!ops lkcl is spamming hardware sales
11:07<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jasons complains about: lkcl is spamming hardware sales
11:07<nathanv>why is it in debian main?
11:07<JasonS>there thats better
11:07<lkcl>!op JasonS is assuming that i am spamming hardware sales
11:07<dpkg>lkcl: okay
11:08<frank>muhaha
11:08<JasonS>heh
11:08<Myon>lkcl: no messing with the bot please
11:08<Myon>dpkg: forget JasonS
11:08<dpkg>i didn't have anything called 'jasons' to forget, Myon
11:08<juancgt>is monitor mode allowed with the stock ipw2200 that comes with debian?
11:08<Myon>dpkg: forget op JasonS
11:08<dpkg>i forgot op jasons, Myon
11:08<JasonS>ahh :)
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11:09<Myon>*sigh*
11:11<Maulkin>juancgt: works for me
11:11<frank>Cav_: no priv messages please
11:11[~]azeem wonders whether this was the real lkcl
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11:12<Maulkin>probably
11:12<frank>Cav_: how do you try to connect
11:12<azeem>oh, I didn't notice the advogato link until now
11:13<Maulkin>:)
11:13<Cav_>frank_: On OSx - connect to server in finder -> smb://servername
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11:14<Cav_>frank_: it was previously working, and all that was altered was some folder permissions in the samba share - and now it wont accept connections, refuses with 'name or password is not correct'
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11:16<frank>name or pw not correct sounds like "public = no" and you don't use the right credentials
11:16<Cav_>will check that now.
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11:17<frank>do you changed the public option lately? so maybe you didn't add a smbuser
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11:18<Cav_>i never changed it. how do you mean didnt add a smbuser? i already had it running on multiple users before
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11:19<dasenjo>Hi everybody, is there any problem with security.debian.org?
11:19<frank>if public is no you , anonymous access is denied and you must specify credentials, a smbuser != unixuser
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11:20<dasenjo>when I try to update it resolvs to 128.31.0.36 but I can't connect
11:20<dasenjo>update (apt-get update)
11:21<Cav_>yes, i have previously been logging in with various different smbusers, until it stopped working today
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11:23<dasenjo>nobody cares about security.debian.org? :o
11:23<fxiny>works here
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11:23<dondelelcaro>dasenjo: s.d.o is multiple machines. If it fails for you, try again.
11:23<meandtheshel1>anybody knows why http://sancho-gui.sourceforge.net/ isn't part of the official debian repos?
11:23<dondelelcaro>meandtheshel1: because no one has packaged it?
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11:24<meandtheshel1>dondelelcaro: maybe ...
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11:25<Maulkin>meandtheshel1: and the author doesn't want us to
11:25<Maulkin>"- no redist/pkging/mirrors pls"
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11:25<dasenjo>dondelelcaro, I know .. the (my) ping goes to another IP -> 212.211.132.250, but I think that there are problems in the 128.31.0.36 IP, whereever it is
11:25<Maulkin>And it's not open source
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11:28<stew>sf.net hosts stuff that isn't opensource?
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11:28<Maulkin>stew: seems to
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11:28<stew>http://sancho-gui.sourceforge.net/files/zdrd3nbyb68i/sancho-src.tar.bz2
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11:30<monra>hello... i just installed apt-get install subversion
11:30<monra>but doesn't seem to find the command to run it? is it subversion?
11:30<Maulkin>meandtheshel1: svn
11:30<stew>and that source says "Common Public License"
11:30<Maulkin>monra: odd
11:31<Maulkin>gah
11:31<Maulkin>monra: "svn"
11:31<Maulkin>stew: odd
11:31<monra>yes! Just found it! sorry for wasting your time!
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11:32<dondelelcaro>stew: though the source is kind of odd as to what its license actuall is
11:32<stew>yes
11:32[~]Maulkin nods
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11:32<Maulkin>And the restriction on the downloads page puts it a bit at odds with the licence
11:32<Maulkin>meandtheshel1: Answer is probably "no-one cares enough to package it"
11:33<dondelelcaro>since it never actually says what license the code is under; it just talks about the licenses that other bits have
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11:47<themill>Ambiguous licences tend to put potential packagers off too. It's just not worth the heartache and the RC bugs :)
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11:50<meandtheshel1>Maulkin: was afk ... well, yes now I remember it was something with the license ... I got it running now for over a year or so and simply forgot but I remember I was thinking "Why isn't the best GUI on the net not officially packeged ..." a year ago as well. However, I got the current version running now ... maybe I care for packaging it .... first I've to investigate the license stuff.
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11:50<meandtheshel1>packaged*
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11:53<pumpkin0>Does chroot'ing into another /-dir reload everything except the kernel (libc6 & Co too) ?
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11:53<dasenjo>128.31.0.36 is working for me again ..
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11:55<bikedude880>I'm looking for a PCMCIA wifi card with an external antenna that's compatible
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11:56<bikedude880>The G-band is preffered
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11:58<bikedude880>Any advice on a chipset I should look for?
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12:03<faderhval>does some one know how to switch between channels/query's in irssi the man doesn't tell me much
12:03<JasonS>faderhval: alt #key for me but it can vary, look on thier webpage
12:04<petemc>meta 1 - 10 / q - p
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12:04<petemc>or meta and arrow keys
12:04<faderhval>meta?
12:04<petemc>alt or esc
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12:04<faderhval>thanks
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12:06<stew>petemc: do you have a 10 key? :P
12:07<petemc>oh, heh
12:07<faderhval>hmm dosent worj
12:07<faderhval>work
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12:07<JasonS>faderhval: may depend on the term you are using
12:08<faderhval>xterm
12:08<petemc>hold down alt or esc, press the number corresponding to the window you want to go to
12:08<Supaplex>sounds terminal
12:08<blarson>control p / control n
12:08<blarson>or /win <number>
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12:11<faderhval>ctrl p/n works thanks
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12:16<faderhval>any suggestion on a nice text editor?
12:17<witte>faderhval: depends on what you want. I use emacs, and some people will say emacs is evil and you should use vi
12:17<dasenjo>jajaja
12:17<witte>faderhval: but kate and gedit normally do the trick and look more like things you are used to in windows...
12:18<fxiny>where the evil is ;)
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12:19<witte>faderhval: vi seems more used with sysadmins while emacs seems more used with programmers (but this is not a rule, just an observation of me :-))
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12:20<faderhval>well i just need it to edit web pages php/html and such so anything basic with line indication and a search function really :)
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12:26<Vakio>faderhval: you have to set "meta sends escape" in xterm for alt to work in Irssi.
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12:36<Aleric>I just bought a webcam-- what is a good application to test it with?
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12:37<tsai>#vim
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12:38<faderhval>sigh... is there a hotkey or something for running an application instead of opening a term every time?
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12:40<Waddledee>faderhval: if you're using GNOME, I know you can create a button on the panel. What you describe is also probably possible, but I don't know how.
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12:44<tsai>help? using vim 7.1 and can't find my ~/.vimrc file to edit it. Any ideas?
12:45<tsai>i've don whereis .vimrc with no luck
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12:48<seanius>hey... any alsa gurus around?
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12:51<fxiny>real alsa gurus are silent most of the time or busy testing it
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12:53<seanius>:) i'm trying to find the magic asoundrc voodoo to let two apps access an input device at the same time
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12:53<seanius>i think it's a pcm.mixin + dsnoop thing, but haven't found the right settings yet
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12:58<Icewind>I can't watch Youtube videos
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12:58<Icewind>a bug is happening
12:59<Icewind>it begins never begins the download of the video
12:59<Icewind>ops
12:59<Icewind>it never begins*
12:59<JasonS>Icewind: thats a good thing not a bug ;)
12:59<Icewind>JasonS, WHY?
13:00<Icewind>ops caps lock
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13:00<seanius>Icewind: have you tried a newer version of flash?
13:00<Icewind>seanius, I downloaded this version today
13:01<pumpkin0>Icewind: which version is it ?
13:01<Icewind>I suppose that it's the last version
13:01<Icewind>pumpkin0, Is there a command to see it?
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13:01<seanius>did you downlaod the deb or install it from adobe's site?
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13:02<Icewind>seanius, I dowloaded the .tar.gz
13:02<seanius>anyway, going to about:plugins in fire^H^H^H^Hiceweasel will tell you which version you're using
13:02<Icewind>but it shows something in the screen
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13:03<seanius>i'm using Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 and it works for me
13:03<fxiny>r48 here
13:04<Icewind>flash player 9
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13:04<Icewind>I downloaded it
13:04<seanius>Icewind: what does about:plugins say
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13:05<Icewind>seanius, it seems that there is not about:plugins
13:05<pumpkin0>Icewind: 9.0, r31, installed via apt, no problems. (installing .tar.gz's is a BAD idea)
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13:05<Icewind>pumpkin0, how do I uninstall it then?
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13:06<pumpkin0>Icewind: well, that is the big problem with tar.gz... try "make uninstall".
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13:06<seanius>pumpkin0: no, there's an "installer script" that you need to run, no makefile
13:07<seanius>Icewind: did you run the install script as root or the normal user
13:07<SkuToV>is anyone here having trouble installing Debian on their system?
13:07<pumpkin0>Icewind: oh. Well, you lost.
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13:07<anyone>no
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13:07<fxiny>hehehe
13:07<SkuToV>funny...
13:07<pumpkin0>!tell SkuToV about anyone
13:08<SkuToV>did anyone have problems when they were installing it on their system
13:08<fxiny>never had one
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13:08<SkuToV>well I doubt I'm going to find much help here
13:09<seanius>SkuToV: it would be helpful if you actually asked about your problem
13:09<fxiny>you will . be verbose :)
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13:09<pumpkin0>SkuToV: you are asking the wrong questions. There are people with all kinds of problems preventing them from installing. Which one is yours ?
13:10<fxiny>prolly the problem is your hardware
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13:11<Icewind>pumpkin0, it's apt-get install flash?
13:11<Metalqga>the most irritating one is grub failing to install, while other OSes manage to install it
13:11<pumpkin0>SkuToV: the last 3 i remember: to stupid to burn a iso, bad line causing corrupted iso's and failed HD.
13:12<fxiny>according to evil macrofleshia r31 is pretty buggy
13:12<seanius>fxiny: i assume bugginess as a constant with that stuff though
13:12<pumpkin0>Icewind: for stable, 32bit x86 ? flashplugin-nonfree.
13:12<fxiny>seanius: indeed :)
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13:13<Icewind>pumpkin0, nonfree?
13:13<fxiny>seanius: i care a split zero cause is 99% of the time disabled :)
13:13<pumpkin0>Icewind: or libflash-mozplugin (thats the free edition...)
13:14<seanius>Icewind: there are "Free as in speech" plugins too, but they're even buggier than macromedia/adobe's
13:14<SkuToV>ok, to be more specific- does anyone know if there is a soloution to a problem where; after the installer has done the "dectecting Hardware to find CD-ROM dirves" the system goes to a blank blue screen
13:14<Icewind>seanius, but talking about $
13:14<Icewind>both are free?
13:14<seanius>personally, i use christian marillat's nonfree flashplugin package
13:14<pumpkin0>Icewind: cost = 0 for both.
13:15<seanius>Icewind: they're all at least "free as in beer"
13:15<seanius>"as in free beer"
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13:15<pumpkin0>SkuToV: did you verify the iso before burning them ?
13:15<seanius>SkuToV: are your drives pata/sata
13:15<fxiny>seanius: i am a member of the same church : Saint Marillat On The Rocks
13:15<pumpkin0>SkuToV: which iso did you use ?
13:16<Icewind>I'm thinking that I destroyed my browser...
13:16<seanius>and is it relatively recent (12-18 months) hardware?
13:16<fxiny>i'm nearly blind tx to him ...
13:16<Metalqga>my pc case is 10 yrs old
13:17<fxiny>mine is younger : just 9
13:17<Metalqga>;p
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13:18<fxiny>i cannot open it without a forklift
13:18<seanius>Icewind: you should answer some of the questions i asked you earlier
13:18<pumpkin0>How good is the powersaving (frequency reducing/voltage changing) for core2duos in recent kernels ? As good as the PentiumM support or still a bit unstable ?
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13:19<seanius>pumpkin0: i'm running unstable with core2duo's without too much trouble
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13:20<Metalqga>a hilarious fact: my fglrx drivers work only when the refresh rate is 75hz if you set any lower value most programs refuse to run with floating point exception
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13:21<fxiny>lower will kill your eyes anyway
13:21<Metalqga>you are speechelss
13:21<Metalqga>lcd?
13:21<fxiny>lcd ?
13:21<Metalqga>yes
13:23<pumpkin0>seanius: i'm thinking about building a new PC. As silent as possible in openoffice but still powerful. currently i undervolt and underclock a pentiumM to get a silent PC... but the C2D's are nice...
13:23<Metalqga>buy a bigger heatsink
13:23<Metalqga>and slower fan
13:23<fxiny>a fanless one ?
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13:23<Metalqga>actually you can adjust the speed in most cases
13:24<pumpkin0>fxiny: currently i'm fanless in openoffice/surfing... that is the goal for the new one too.
13:24<Metalqga>if you are lucky your kernel not to tell you pw is disabled because of broken bios defaults
13:24<fxiny>i've seen a very small fanless box
13:24<seanius>i've heard the trick is really big slow fans
13:25<pumpkin0>fxiny: something with power on demand, please.
13:25<Metalqga>seanius thats right
13:25|-|simon444 [~simon@124-168-12-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
13:25<simon444>hi
13:25<Metalqga>buy a mobile cpu and stick it to a pc mobo
13:25<fxiny>pumpkin0: that's why i still using my old PII , i have a fat stupid noisy 3G xeon : i hate it !
13:25<pumpkin0>seanius: big & slow plus the right hardware plus the right settings and driver. The problem are the drivers.
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13:26[~]seanius just saw a thread at https://secure.sccs.swarthmore.edu/pipermail/slug/2007-July/006671.html that might be of interest
13:26<pumpkin0>Metalqga: that limits the motherboard choice a lot.
13:26<simon444>I am new around here
13:26<simon444>do I get added to the topic?
13:26<Metalqga>well openoffice isnt picky with mobos
13:26<Metalqga>no
13:26<walter07>helo
13:27<pumpkin0>simon444: there are no people in the topic...
13:27<pumpkin0>Metalqga: yes, but i'm...
13:27<simon444>pumpkin0, lenny is
13:27<simon444>OOOH
13:27<simon444>whoops
13:27<pumpkin0>simon444: lenny is a debian version....
13:27<walter07>i am love debian
13:27<walter07>xD
13:27<simon444>yeah I realized that
13:28<simon444>walter07, I am in fear of debian
13:28<Metalqga>you can try with dry ice if you dont mind recharging it every 5 minutes and the cold mist around your pc ;d
13:28<pumpkin0>simon444: why ? It is totaly harmless unless you install it...
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13:28<simon444>pumpkin0, I installed it 8 years ago and have been actively using it
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13:29<Metalqga>and still scared?
13:29<pumpkin0>Metalqga: i was thinking about a TNN300 case, a C2D Txxxx and a laptop-479 motherboard. But that would cost a bit too much.
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13:29<zeph>Bonsoir
13:29<fxiny>hd overheating is my main concern : adding two more fan will drive me crazy
13:29<zeph>!fr
13:29<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
13:30<pumpkin0>fxiny: i boot fom CF, mount the /home via network. So i don't have that problem...
13:30<simon444>Metalqga, yes I still get those pesky porn popups in lynx
13:30<Metalqga>fxiny do you have a floppy below your hdd?
13:30<fxiny>pumpkin0: nice shot !
13:31<fxiny>Metalqga: is on top
13:31<Metalqga>if they are touching just remove the floppy
13:31<Metalqga>when i removed mine the temperatura fell greatly
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13:33<simon444>simon444, did I tell you I am a fundamentalist al-Bush Muslim?
13:33<Metalqga>!bot
13:33<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
13:33<fxiny>never heard politics sucks ?
13:33<fxiny>really sucks !
13:33<Metalqga>what made you come to this conclusion
13:34<Metalqga>which is always right ... ;D
13:34<simon444>!tell Metalqga about the iPhone
13:35<simon444>!tell Metalqga about iPhone
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13:35<Metalqga>i hate overpriced junk
13:35<fxiny>hahaha : iPhone customrers are so stuoid apple is planning to charge 5$ just to get into the shop . hahahah
13:36<simon444>!the iPhone is a phone made by Apple and can be used to browse http://debian.org
13:36<dpkg>simon444: okay
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13:36<simon444>!tell Metalqga about the iPhone
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13:36<Metalqga>it must be in a private chat with the bot for tell to work
13:36<simon444>okay I am going to shutup since I am stupid and can't get dpkg the bot work
13:36<fxiny>i read today about a hack to run ssh on iPhone
13:37<simon444>fxiny, I have debian running on the iPhone
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13:37<Metalqga>i have a debian running on my toaster
13:37<simon444>OMG
13:37<simon444>Metalqga totally offended me
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13:37<simon444>Metalqga, mind not showing off your knowledge in front of the stupid
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13:38<Metalqga>what about: fxiny hahaha : iPhone customrers are so stuoid apple is planning to charge 5$ just to get into the shop . hahahah
13:38<fxiny>simon444: that's ok . thats' ok , you tell the magic word and i will be with you
13:38<Maulkin>dpkg: forget the
13:38<dpkg>i forgot the, Maulkin
13:38<Maulkin>Right. 1) The apple thing is from a SPOOF site.
13:38<simon444>is fxiny also a bot? when did this happen?
13:38<Maulkin>2) Stop abusing the bot and filling it with useless stuff
13:38<fxiny>simon444: i don't rulez
13:38<fxiny>dpkg rulez
13:38<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
13:39<Maulkin>3) Please keep this channel on topic.
13:39<fxiny>lovely lovely : i love it !
13:39<simon444>dpkg, what is the topic?
13:39<dpkg>simon444: what are you talking about?
13:39<simon444>dpkg, the iPhone
13:39<Maulkin>For off topic stuff, go to #moocows. This includes random talk about iPhones, and non debian related discussions
13:39<simon444>Guess the topic is the iPhone!
13:39<Metalqga>btw maulkin thanks for the forget command
13:40<simon444>dpkg said so
13:40<dpkg>Why, so I did.
13:40<simon444>LOL
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13:40<Metalqga>dpkg i love you
13:40<dpkg>I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/
13:40<simon444>Maulkin, okay I will leave. I will come back when I am less drunk
13:40<Metalqga>;D
13:40<Maulkin>simon444: good idea. Thanks.
13:41<simon444>dpkg, join me in #moocows
13:41<d2kx>hi everyone. i wanted to set up a new debian sid, but first testing system with kde and dled the newest daily netinst and passed "installgui tasks="kde-desktop, standard" with it, but it installed KDE AND Gnome. anyone knows why? I don't want Gnome
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13:42<Metalqga>smells like a bug
13:42<Maulkin>simon444: it won't, it's a bot
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13:42<fxiny>two deskenv ? a fat bug
13:43<d2kx>i read somewhere that "standard" as a task installs gnome. would it be possible to just tasks=kde-desktop?
13:43<simon444>d2kx, sounds like a conspiracy
13:43<dondelelcaro>d2kx: yes, that'd work too.
13:43<Maulkin>d2kx: standard includes gnome IIRC. Just use kde-desktop
13:43<d2kx>ok thx for your help, i will try it in a few minutes
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14:04<Metalqga>pumpkin what was your cpu?
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14:05<pumpkin0>Metalqga: current ? PentiumM 725
14:06<Metalqga>isnt m a mobile?
14:06<pumpkin0>Metalqga: yes. I have a thinkpad R51 running fanless...
14:07<Metalqga>but you want more processing power
14:07<pumpkin0>Metalqga: there was no option to get a fast, fanless, desktop-style PC at that time... now with the C2D it may be possible.
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14:08<Metalqga>look at amd too
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14:09<Metalqga>cool and quiet working well
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14:10<pumpkin0>Metalqga: can you get a Turion X2 in a desktop ?
14:11<lontra>what package would i need to install for temperature sensors?
14:11<pumpkin0>lontra: which sensors on which hardware ?
14:12<lontra>pumpkin0: that's a good question ... the overall heat of my laptop
14:12<pumpkin0>lontra: intel or amd ?
14:12<Metalqga>lm-sensors
14:12<lontra>pumpkin0: intel dual core
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14:13<Metalqga>pumpkin0 i dont know
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14:17<jla>I'm getting a BADSIG error on the security updates from a couple different systems on different networks (but similar setups). Is anyone else having trouble getting the security updates lists via aptitude on etch?
14:18<tcsetattr>I just did a security update and it didn't complain (I didn't have to update any packages though)
14:19<jla>tcsetattr: thanks for checking. I'm running apt-proxy at both places, perhaps it's part of the problem. I'll try direct
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14:19<S01aris>hello
14:20<tcsetattr>oh, I didn't use aptitude though.
14:20<tcsetattr>checking... nope, aptitude update&&aptitude upgrade didn't complain either
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14:22<jla>I'm just doing aptitude update, so updating the package lists
14:22<S01aris>try : apt-get moo
14:22<S01aris>and after : aptitude moo
14:22<S01aris>enjoy :)
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14:22<jla>aptitude moo -v(and keep repeating with more v's) is fun
14:23<S01aris>who has a patch for debian "etch" for connection to internet under vpn
14:24<seanius>S01aris: you mean like openvpn?
14:24<Metalqga>do you know of a treminal that supports copy/paste shortcuts like ctrl+c
14:24<seanius>Metalqga: gnome-terminal does ctrl-shift-foo
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14:24<S01aris>microsoft vpn
14:25<pumpkin0>S01aris: OK, what is the difference ?
14:25<seanius>S01aris: i think the ms chap protocol is supported now
14:25<Metalqga>thx, I have never seen the preferences
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14:26<stew>S01aris: apt-cache show pptp-linux
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14:26<S01aris>tnx
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14:28<seanius>S01aris: if you're more of a gui guy, there's also network-manager plugins to do this iirc
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14:29<seanius>hrm, i don't see the network-manager-pptp plugin in debian now though, so maybe not
14:29<S01aris>but i have another situation
14:29<S01aris>connection to internet was estabilished
14:30<S01aris>but i can't send or receive data
14:30<el_isma>Hello. Is there any "easy" way to set up protection against brute force attacks on ssh?
14:30<stew>el_isma: install fail2ban
14:30<seanius>el_isma: apt-get install fail2ban :)
14:30<S01aris>but in ubutu i haven't this problem
14:30<S01aris>ubuntu :)
14:31<seanius>S01aris: how do you connect to the network in ubuntu?
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14:31<S01aris>first I install pptp-linux package
14:31<el_isma>thanks, stew, seanius
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14:33<S01aris>and next, i use connect script from my provider
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14:34<S01aris>sorry, bad english :)
14:34<jafd>Hello I'm trying to make my Xserver see my two keyboards, but evdev seems to jjust not work.
14:35<Metalqga>how do you use two keyboards?
14:35<S01aris>:)
14:35<Metalqga>just curious
14:35<seanius>S01aris: and the same process doesn't work under debian?
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14:35<jafd>Metalqga: one layout on one, and a couple others on another
14:35<S01aris>yes
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14:36<tcsetattr>do you also play the organ?
14:36<seanius>jafd: i plugin a second keyboard on my laptop all the time and never had to do anything about it
14:36<jafd>The trouble is, xev told me, that alphanumeric keys have their keysym set to 0.
14:36<bzed>!beer SixF9
14:36[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for SixF9
14:36<jafd>seanius: yep, but what about having different sets of layouts on them?
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14:37<seanius>jafd: well since i only have two hands, i just run a keyboard layout applet to switch the layouts
14:37<yeonhoo>Question : is there a package to install C standard library??
14:37<jafd>yeonhoo: libc6 it's called
14:37<yeonhoo>there is no standard library in this computer
14:38<Metalqga>gnome keyboard indicator
14:38<SixF9>!thank bzed
14:38<dpkg>SixF9: bitte
14:38<SixF9>heh
14:38<yeonhoo>jafd, thank you .. im going to install now
14:38<seanius>yeonhoo: you mean header files?
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14:38<seanius>libc6 is almost definitely installed already
14:38<yeonhoo>seanius, yes header like stdio.h string.h ...
14:38<seanius>yeonhoo: then you want libc6-dev
14:39<seanius>or better, build-essential
14:39<seanius>as it has a bunch of other stuff you probably want toto
14:39<seanius>too
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14:39<yeonhoo>seanius, thank you :)... and... one more thing what is difference between libc6 and libc6-dev?
14:40<jafd>seanius: but the problem however is that alphanumeric keys under evdev show me the finger (modifiers, escape and so on are ok)
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14:40<seanius>S01aris: two things i'd suggest: (1) looking in /var/log/syslog on each system for differences, and two, doing a diff of /etc/whatever
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14:40<tcsetattr>libc6 is the portion of the C Standard
14:40<seanius>jafd: sorry nothing to suggest :(
14:40<stew>jafd: libc6 is runtime lib6-dev is for compile time
14:40<S01aris>ok
14:40<tcsetattr>libc6 is the portion of the C Standard Library that you need to run programs; libc6-dev is the portion you need to compile them
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14:40<seanius>yeonhoo: usually libfoo-dev are the development header files for the foo library, if you want to build applications that link against lib foo
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14:42<stew>woops, i misfired
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14:42<yeonhoo>thank you all ... :)
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14:44<Guest193>Hi, i have a question about Debian, i have installed a stable etch and add testing dep in source.list, i have done an apt-update and an apt-upgrade and now... my x-session doesn't work ( loading nvidia module failed) anyone got an idea about this crash please ?
14:44<Guest193>sorry about my english :)
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14:45<seanius>Guest193: it might not help now, but you might want to read about apt "pinning" to prevent this from happening again
14:46<Guest193>oki i will search
14:46<Guest193>thanks =)
14:46<grummund>Perhaps i should just try both for myself... but anyone have views on OpenOffice Calc vs. Gnumeric ??
14:46<seanius>Guest193: you might want to check the output of dpkg -l "linux-image*" and "nvidia*"
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14:47<seanius>i don't know if you installed the binary packaged version of the nvidia module or compiled it yourself from source
14:47<Guest193>the binary package
14:47<Guest193>nvidia-glx
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14:48<Guest193>i have to go thanks for information=)
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14:51<jla>my trouble must be something in apt-proxy. if I go direct it works fine. if I don't figure this out I may switch to using a 'normal' proxy
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15:08<razor950>hello
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15:11<[meme]>HELP: How can identify the character encoding of a file (UTF, ISO, etc...)... I have tried with the 'file' command with no success!
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15:13<tcsetattr>if the file doesn't tell you its format, you basically have to guess.
15:14<[meme]>:-(
15:14<tcsetattr>you can possibly rule out some possibilities - if it contains bytes or sequences that are meaningless in UTF-8 then it's not UTF-8
15:15<tcsetattr>have you got a real tough one with no readable parts?
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15:15<witte>[neme] you can try the command "file filename"
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15:15<witte>[meme]: sorry, did not read your question
15:15<[meme]>I have already tried that command both will not give me if it is UTF8 or else!
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15:16<tcsetattr>why don't you tell us what file _does_ say
15:16<[meme]>manuel@eagle:~$ file -i wep.txt
15:16<[meme]>wep.txt: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
15:16<tcsetattr>and you disbelieve that it's ASCII?
15:17<[meme]>yes because I have used the following command
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15:17<[meme]>iconv -f ASCII -t UTF-8 wep0.txt -o wep.txt
15:17<Sh3ytaN>hi =)
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15:19<tcsetattr>what is it, some documentation about WEP?
15:19<[meme]>yes!
15:19<ranix>lol it doesn't matter what it is
15:19<Sh3ytaN>lol ;P
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15:20<ranix>the encoding is in the first 8 bytes of the file IIRC
15:20<tcsetattr>I ask because I thought it might be a WEP key, not in text format for some reason, which just happened to resemble ASCII in the first few bytes :)
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15:20<ranix>hm that is possible
15:20<ranix>[meme]: put a carriage return before the first character in the file with Vi, then use iconv on it and see what happens
15:21<tcsetattr>I suggest you just _look_ at the file with less and see for yourself what the non-ASCII bytes are. If they aren't utf8 the most likely answer is latin1
15:21<[meme]>Ok!
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15:22<[meme]>With an Hex editor I know is possible to manually see what type of encoding it is, both I will like to have a script to do that for me!
15:22<tcsetattr>why's it so important? are the non-ASCII bytes preventing you from making sense of the document?
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15:23<ranix>character encoding is a funky business. I found that out when I was doing regex searches on korean documentation
15:23<ranix>don't expect it to be a science, [meme]
15:23<ranix>there's a human element involved
15:23<[meme]>I just downloaded the file: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt
15:24<[meme]>And !!!!!
15:24<tcsetattr>with a name like UTF-8-demo.txt, I'd expect it to be in utf8
15:24<razor950>whats the best way to install the nvidia drivers? I was used to the module system but that seems to be gone and in 2.6.21 kernels there seems to be a guide but not for 64 bit users it seems
15:24<[meme]>manuel@eagle:~$ file -i UTF-8-demo.txt
15:24<[meme]>UTF-8-demo.txt: text/plain; charset=utf-8
15:24<[meme]>Will give me the correct answer!!!!! :-)
15:25<[meme]>The problem is in the wep.txt file!!!!! :-(
15:25<[meme]>it is not UTF8 for sure!
15:25<Hessophanes>And what makes you believe that wep.txt is not plain ascii, as file says?
15:25<tcsetattr>you whine too much. GIve us a copy of the wep.txt file
15:25<Hessophanes>If wep0.txt was already plain ascii, your iconv command won't have changed a single bit.
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15:26<[meme]>manuel@eagle:~$ iconv -f US-ASCII -t UTF-8 wep.txt -o wep_utf8.txt
15:26<[meme]>manuel@eagle:~$ file -i wep_utf8.txt
15:26<[meme]>wep_utf8.txt: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
15:26<Hessophanes>As expected.
15:27<jla>maybe I'm not having an apt-proxy problem. I wget http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release & Release.gpg, and gpg --verify Release.gpg Release and that says the sig is bad
15:27<tcsetattr>you are way to freakin obsessed with iconv and file. Are you trying to solve an actual _problem_? is the file not readable to you with less?
15:27<Hessophanes>ASCII is a subset of utf8, and file will report the best match (the smallest subset) it can find.
15:27<jla>but when I put in the apt/sources to be security.debian.org instead of my proxy it doesn't complain.
15:27<[meme]>[hesso] perhaps you are correct!!!!
15:28<matth__>omg too much "!" for my eyes
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15:28<tcsetattr>so many excalamation points... I'm worn out.
15:28<tcsetattr>I can't take the excitement
15:29<tcsetattr>and the lack of answers to the most important questions (1. why are you doing this and 2. why don't you tell us where to get the file)
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15:30<ranix>he did link us to the file tc
15:31<[meme]>I have added to the wep.txt file somo accented characters an this is what happens!
15:31<[meme]>manuel@eagle:~$ file -i wep.txt
15:31<[meme]>wep.txt: text/plain; charset=utf-8
15:31<tcsetattr>the UTF8 demo that wasn't his actual problem file?
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15:31<ranix>I thought that was the actual problem file
15:31<[meme]>you were right [hesso] !!!!!
15:31<ranix>at least he answered his question
15:31<tcsetattr>calm down!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ELEVEN!!!
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15:34<razor950>hello
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15:35<mango>hi
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15:37<Nyle>what?
15:37<Nyle>hi
15:37<mango>hi, can anyone tell me why I can not log to free node any more using gaim
15:37<mango>Nyle: can you help at all
15:37<mango>I am currenly using xchat as a client to connect to this channel
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15:38<Nyle>mango: I don't use gaim sorry
15:38<stephane>comment changer la resolution d'ecran sur xfce ?
15:38<Nyle>!fr
15:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
15:38<Nyle>i think its french for you
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15:39<mango>Nyle: ok, how can I have my own username passwork on irc.freenode.net
15:39<Nyle>umm I think you must /nick your_desired_nickname_here
15:40<Nyle>then /msg nickserv register
15:40<Nyle>then /msg nickserv help register
15:40<Ganneff>you also want to move this to #oftc or #help if you need more :)
15:40<mango>thanks
15:40<Nyle>those are appropriate places to ask for irc help
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15:41<Nyle>mango: also google for 'how to use irc'
15:41<mango>Nyle: thanks
15:41<Nyle>sure
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15:52<rjent>Greetings, is anyone online who has input on the netinstall cd?
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16:00<dondelelcaro>rjent: almost anyone here has the potential to have input on it
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16:17<bernardo>How can I export my messages folder using Evolution?
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16:20<bernardo>anyone?
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16:23<bernardo>How can I export my messages folder using Evolution??
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16:23<jla>bernardo: you might have better luck finding an evolution channel, list, user group or web site
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16:28<bernardo>ok...thx
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16:32<Aleric>What is a good application to trouble-shoot my webcam with?
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16:32<Aleric>I bought a new webcam, and the image is AWEFUL.
16:32<pappanz>hi. how can i play wmv/divx/xvid files in totem-xine?
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16:34<Aleric>pappanz: like any other file
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16:35<pappanz>Aleric: unfortunately i don't see anything. seems a problem of lacking of packages but i don't know what packages.
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16:36<pappanz>Aleric: moreover, the repository in my sources.list file doesn't show me any libxvidcore4 or w32codec packages
16:37<pappanz>and i don't know why
16:38<pappanz>Is there anyone who uses totem to play xvid/divx/wmv files?
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16:38<Aleric>ii libxvidcore4 2:1.1.2-0.1
16:38<Aleric>It does here
16:38<Aleric>No w32codec though
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16:38<pappanz>is libxvidcore4 in non-free/contrib repo?
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16:40<Aleric> 990 http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing/main Packages
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16:42<faderhval>Evening people :)
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16:51<pappanz>no. i want a solution in the official repositories and possibly free.
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16:54<jla>does http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release verify with the Release.gpg file for others? I just checked http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release and that worked fine. I think there is a problem with the security release file
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17:00<lawnninja>logout
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17:08<yudhisthira>open terminal use apt-get or dselect
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17:18<faderhval>uhm.. guys :) how do i change the background in X ?
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17:18<MoDaX>faderhval: plain X?
17:19<witte>faderhval: which windowmanager are you using?
17:19[~]andrew Hopes its kde
17:19<stew>faderhval: man xsetroot
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17:20<faderhval>plain x with icewm
17:21<streuner>there are serveral background apps.
17:21<streuner>bgset is one, another is in "E"
17:21<witte>faderhval: did you consider looking at google?
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17:22<streuner>faderhval: look at icewm or fluxbox FAQ
17:22<faderhval>witte: i did search google i usually do before i ask anything in here :)
17:22<streuner>good :-)
17:23<witte>faderhval: ok, i typed the surprizing "icewm background" terms, and there are some references there ;-)
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17:23<faderhval>witte: i didnt know icewm handled the desktop bg so i plain tried "change desktop background debian"
17:23<streuner>http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ-8.html#ss8.2
17:24<streuner>look harder next time :-)
17:24<witte>faderhval: if everyone would know what to google for, there would be no more questions for this channel ;-)
17:25<faderhval>hehe true :)
17:25<faderhval>streuner: thanks will do :)
17:25<streuner>:-)
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17:28<Guest205>hi guys, i just downloaded and am running debian etch live
17:29<Guest205>and was wondering if there is an easy way to actually install the distro via the live cd?
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17:31<steini>join #jruby
17:31<stew>Guest205: i'm pretty sure they decided they didn't want to add that, but you should ask in #debian-live
17:31<Guest205>ahh ok, thanks stew
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17:35<juLoq>Ahhh.
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17:49<faderhval>so i read the faq and found out i have to set DesktopBackgroundImage="image" in the config file but the preferences file is missing and im back where i startet
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17:50<streuner>so just try "bgset" or such
17:50<streuner>in xsession
17:51<faderhval>bgset does nothing
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17:53<faderhval>sorry got dc'ed
17:53<streuner>hm, i would try #icewm at FN then
17:54<streuner>if the FAQ didnt help
17:54<faderhval>i think i know what to do but how do i enter a hidden dir?
17:54<streuner> Channel Nutzer Thema
17:54<streuner> #icewm 8 http://icewm.org/FAQ/ || 1.2.30 || b0rked: translations (!help!),* End of /LIST
17:55<streuner>no idea about icewm
17:55<streuner>sorry
17:55<witte>faderhval: can't you make the preference file with an editor?
17:55<streuner>it shouldnt be too complicated to use a bg in icewm
17:55<faderhval>witte: yeah but i think i misread the faq i have to change the theme config file which is in /.icewm but i dont know how to access it :)
17:56<faderhval>streuner: i dont think it is its just me being slow in the noggin :S
17:57<streuner>well, use some other WM then
17:57<streuner>which just works
17:57<streuner>there are many out there
17:57<witte>faderhval: it will be in ~/.icewm/
17:57<witte>faderhval: which is /home/username/.icewm/
17:57<faderhval>i know but i cant access .icewm it says no such catalouge
17:58<faderhval>sorted nevermind me just being a retard...
17:58<witte>faderhval: you can make it...
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18:00<witte>faderhval: but if you just light window manager, that is also easy to start with, try xfce
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18:01<faderhval>how do you change window manager?
18:02<streuner>apt-get install?
18:02<faderhval>will it just override icewm?
18:02<streuner>change "exec <some-WM>" into xsession
18:02<witte>faderhval: how do you start X.? if you use gdm, kdm or wdm (you see a graphic login screen), you can change it there
18:02<streuner>!xsession
18:02<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
18:03[~]streuner hopes that factoid "WM" isnt totally fucked up...
18:03<streuner>!wm
18:03<dpkg>from memory, window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager".
18:03<witte>faderhval: probably you want to install gdm and xfdesktop4
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18:04<witte>faderhval: and nothing will be overwritten, you can each session choose what to use...
18:04<faderhval>hmm i startx from commandline
18:04<streuner>so just use "exec foo-WM" in xsession
18:05<witte>s/xfdesktop4/xfce4
18:06<faderhval>right will try that... right away :)
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18:07<twb>Does debconf have a "home page"?
18:07<iG|Arsenic>Hello
18:07<iG|Arsenic>Hello
18:07<iG|Arsenic>I need help installing PHP onto my debian dedicated server
18:07<twb>debconf the database, not debconf the convention
18:07[~]streuner guess NOT
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18:07<iG|Arsenic>I can't seem to upgrade to Apache 2, instead i am running Apache 1.3 and need to know how to install PHP onto it.
18:07<iG|Arsenic>Is there a complete system i can install?
18:08<twb>iG|Arsenic: aptitude install php4
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18:24<faderhval>so... i got xfdesktop4 working.. only one slight problem i cant move the windows and the frames around them are gone ? is this how it should be?
18:25<twb>Sounds like the WM crashed
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18:25<witte>faderhval: did you install xfdesktop4 or xfce4 as i later corrected?
18:26<witte>or both :-)
18:26<faderhval>xfdesktop4 -.-
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18:26<faderhval>brb ^^
18:26<twb>Isn't xfdesktop4 just the root window voodoo?
18:27<twb>I think you should be booting xfce4-session or something
18:27<witte>twb: don't really know, that is teh thing my girlfriend uses
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18:31<faderhval>voila its working Domo Arigato everyone :)
18:32<faderhval>(thanks)
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18:35<lymeca>Is there a way I can list the packages I have installed according to how much space their content's take up?
18:36<twb>Yes.
18:36<twb>It's an example in the grep-dctrl manpage
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18:39<witte>twb: wow, totally was not aware of that program! will have to check it out later
18:46<Samooka>evening guys... Alsa stopped finding my soundcard after I recompiled the kernel. Can anyone offer tips?
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18:48<witte>Samooka: nothing in dmesg? is it recognized by lspci?
18:49<Samooka>witte: yes, lspci does find the card... the modules also unload and load cleanly with modprobe, but they msg 'no soundcards found' more often than not.
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18:49<Samooka>witte, yes, lspci does find the card... the modules also unload and load cleanly with modprobe, but they msg 'no soundcards found' more often than not.
18:49<witte>Samooka: if you know the module, maybe you can check /boot/config if it is still there
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18:49<witte>ah, ok
18:49<witte>in that case i can offer no insight :-)
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18:50<witte>Samooka: it does work from a stock kernel?
18:51<Samooka>I don't know. I have been using custom kernels since installation back a couple of years
18:51<Samooka>witte: I just recompiled the kernel to add Bluetooth support
18:51<Samooka>witte: and all of a sudden, the soundcard stopped working
18:52<Samooka>witte: the strange thing is, if I modprobe -r / modprobe a couple of times, it will eventually work as is
18:52<Samooka>witte: and I can't trace the root of the issue
18:52<witte>Samooka: did you also include a bluethooth sound card or soemthing?
18:53<Samooka>no, but I did hook a bt usb dongle (by the way not working - yet!)
18:53<Samooka>witte: I kept my old kernel configuration, only changing the bluetooth bits.
18:53<witte>Samooka: I would say, try a stock kernel, bluethooth should be in it i think, so...
18:54<twb>Where can I read more about pre-seeding the answers to debian-installer questions?
18:55<witte>twb: in the installation guide?
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18:55<Samooka>witte: I read in the ALSA wiki that the 2.6 kernels already have ALSA included. How do I know if I'm using the kernel drivers or the older ones I downloaded when I had a 2.4 kernel?
18:56<twb>Oh, I didn't expect it to cover that
18:56[~]twb looks
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18:56<Samooka>witte: (I did recompile the modules, but I am trying to save myself from doing it again)
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18:57<witte>Samooka: euhm, i do not know :-)
18:57<witte>Samooka: which kernel do you use?
18:57<Samooka>2.6.14
18:57<twb>My kernel has RACING STRIPES!
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18:58<frank>what color?
18:58<witte>Samooka: in stable there is at least 2.6.18 (maybe for bt compability, it is better to have a recent one?)
18:58<eurisko>hi everyone, i have debian testing, my /etc/X11/xorg.conf describes screen resolution as 1280x800, but i am almost sure the resolution is lower than that!How can i confirm the resolution i am using now?
18:58<twb>it's invisible, and pink
18:59<eurisko>i forget, intel gma 950
18:59<eurisko>but i don't see the i810 loaded!
18:59<frank>pink, hm
19:00<witte>Samooka: which system are you running, because 2.6.14 does not really work with udev if i am correct, so that would mean sarge?
19:00<Samooka>witte: yes I guess mine is sarge
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19:01<witte>Samooka: consider upgrading to stable
19:01<frank>eurisko: take a look at your xorg log, somewhere in it the chosen resolution is printed
19:01<witte>!tell Samooka about sarge->etch
19:02<Samooka>witte: here's an excerpt from my sources.list
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19:02<witte>!paste
19:02<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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19:02<Samooka>witte: deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/ sarge main contrib non-free
19:02<witte>Samooka: if you are running amd64, you should certainly upgrade to etch, since in sarge that was not yet officially supported if I am correct
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19:03<witte>Samooka: since etch amd64 is an official port of debian
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19:04<chealer>eurisko: $ xdpyinfo
19:04<Samooka>witte: ... ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but I would just change "sarge" to "etch" in that line and run apt-get upgrade?
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19:04<witte>Samooka: no read what dpkg told you
19:05<witte>!tell Samooka about release notes
19:05<Samooka>witte: sorry. Just saw the dpkg window
19:05<eurisko>yup, is 1024x768 :(
19:06<eurisko>i am almost sure everything is right, but X takes lots of warnings regarding the bios of the graphic card
19:06<twb>Stupid non-breaking spaces
19:06<witte>Samooka: and your sources.list will change more than only the sarge to etch, as you now probably want to use an official repository
19:06<twb>They make the manuals look ugly. UGLY I TELL YOU!
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19:08<eurisko>(II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name)
19:08<eurisko>(--) I810(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)
19:09<eurisko>does this mean anything special at all?
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19:09<chealer>eurisko: what do you mean?
19:09<twb>It means you provided dumb modelines
19:10<chealer>twb: why?
19:10<twb>Because I'm feeling contrary
19:10<eurisko>i guess i'll try to redo the config file
19:10<witte>eurisko: can you post /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin
19:10<twb>Yeah, paste xorg.conf
19:10<eurisko>okay
19:11<witte>!tell eurisko about pastebin
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19:12<eurisko>http://rafb.net/p/1MU7WS62.html
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19:13<simon444>beer
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19:13<Samooka>witte: thanks for the tips... I will try upgrading to etch
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19:14<eurisko>http://rafb.net/p/zOTuUP13.html
19:14<witte>Samooka: good luck :-)
19:14<eurisko>and log file
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19:14<simon444>!beer
19:14<dpkg>beer is, like, liquid gold mate
19:15<simon444>!gold
19:15<Samooka>talk to you later
19:15<simon444>Samooka, cya
19:15<witte>eurisko: there is a warning about the busid not found
19:16<eurisko>witte i read lots of warnings!
19:16<witte>eurisko: Warnings are only those with (WW)
19:16<twb>eurisko: is your screen REALLY at an 8:5 ratio?
19:16<eurisko>there are also some regarding the bios
19:16<twb>eurisko: conventional screens are 4:3
19:16<eurisko>yup
19:16<eurisko>i am on laptop
19:16<twb>I think widescreens are 5:3
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19:17<witte>eurisko: ok ,remove the lines with hsync and vsync
19:17<eurisko>it's something close to 16:9
19:17<twb>Fair enough.
19:17<eurisko>ok
19:17<simon444>wtf is up with ubuntu's version of apt and dpkg
19:17<chealer>twb: it's really 8:5
19:17<chealer>simon444: ask #ubuntu
19:17<simon444>they fucked it on purpose
19:18<twb>It's slightly dangerous, but normally I comment out all the "Display" SubSections, and the horizsync and vertrefresh.
19:18<simon444>they disabled downgrading packages
19:18<witte>eurisko, i don't that is the big thing that is causing it, but that is wrong at least i think
19:18<witte>and put # before the busid line
19:18<simon444>are they morons?
19:18<JasonS>simon444: complain in #ubuntu
19:18<twb>simon444: yes, now complain to #ubuntu
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19:18<simon444>JasonS, that would be pointful
19:18<twb>They wouldn't listen when I told them.
19:19<JasonS>as compared to whining here?
19:19<simon444>JasonS, I am not whining. I am making music! Get ready for my new song release on iTunes in a week time.
19:19<simon444>s/Get/Getting
19:20[~]JasonS hands simon444 some cheese
19:20<eurisko>thanks guys i'll try it
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19:34<w4rl0ck>how i allow acess in proftpd and disallow in machine and ssh ?
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19:35<lontra>i have installed kde-guidance-manager and instead i've decided i want to use kpowersave ... however now suspend isn't working anyone know why? i have a feeling that kpowersave isn't using powersaved ...
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19:45<abrotman>w4rl0ck: set the shell to /bin/false and put that in /etc/shells
19:45<abrotman>if it's not htere already
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19:46<w4rl0ck>abrotman /bin/false and /bin/nologin stop ftp ;\
19:46<abrotman>not in /bin/false is in /etc/shells
19:46<abrotman>not if
19:47<simon444>enrish w00t
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19:55<PqP>hi dudes, can someone help me ? i installed compiz and now i have no window border... any idea ?
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19:58<w4rl0ck>abrotman thx after write in shells work ^^
19:58<abrotman>i told you!
19:58<abrotman>:)
19:58<eurisko>back, i didn't have sucess changing to 1280x800... :(
19:59<eurisko>i als tried a live cd to see if it detected the 1280x800 but it didn't
19:59<witte>eurisko: ok, to bad. There should be somewhat less warnings however
19:59<witte>eurisko: can you paste the line from lspci about your graphics card?
19:59<eurisko>i tried a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but also without sucess
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20:00<eurisko>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 94
20:00<eurisko>5GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
20:00<eurisko>it matches
20:00<eurisko>there is also other on 00:02.1 i guess it's for external output
20:02<simon444>So who is lenny in toy story?
20:03<chealer>!tell simon444 about lenny
20:04<simon444> Lenny is the binoculars.
20:04<simon444>eewww
20:05<simon444>what type of sick attentions did the person choosing lenny have
20:05<witte>eurisko: can you try the package 915resolution?
20:05<simon444>or maybe it is just my culture
20:06<eurisko>didn't know that witte
20:06<witte>eurisko: me neither, never heard of it. Found it on a forum
20:06<witte>apt-cache show 915resolution for more info
20:07<eurisko>it patched something, wanna see the output?
20:07<witte>yep, put it in a pastebin
20:08<eurisko>http://rafb.net/p/Rn979T75.html
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20:08<witte>ok, that seemed to work, but i do not like the word hack in that output
20:08<witte>:-)
20:09<eurisko>ahah
20:09<witte>try it
20:09<eurisko>it just makes it every time the OS boots
20:09<eurisko>it's not permanent
20:09<witte>well, read the file mentioned in the apt-cache show...
20:09<witte>I am sure you will figure it out
20:09<eurisko>oh and in the info, mentioned another interesting
20:09<eurisko>things
20:10<eurisko>there is a new package (xserver-xorg-video-intel), that supports modesetting
20:10<eurisko>well witte
20:10<eurisko>thank you very much!
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20:10<witte>no problem
20:10<witte>i am going to sleep
20:10<witte>good luck with it...
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20:12<eurisko>solved :D
20:13<eurisko>thanks everyone, time to sleep now!
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20:36<nichos>hi all, im upgrading from an old version of debian, im doing a dist-upgrade and it keeps dying on x11-common
20:36<nichos>how can i resolve/force this?
20:36<chealer>nichos: which old version?
20:36<gravity>nichos: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7
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20:37<nichos>chealer real old, it was marked "unstable" about 1.5 years ago
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20:37<chealer>!tell nichos about x11-common conflict
20:37<Nelson`>Hey, I'm trying to fix/recover an NTFS drive using Knoppix. TestDisk seems to think the number of heads is wrong. I changed it, wrote to the MBR, rebooted, but it still shows the old value. Any ideas?
20:38<chealer>Nelson`: ask #knoppix, this is a Debian support channel.
20:39<Nelson`>knoppix is based on Debian and TestDisk works on any distro, so I was hoping you could help. I'll try them too
20:44<twb>Is "install auto interface=auto url=foo" supposed to work as advertised on etch i386 netinst CDs?
20:44<nichos>now im getting stuck on metacity, but cannot remove it
20:44<twb>It seems to ignore auto and interface=auto
20:44<nichos>is there a way to force removal of gnome stuff? it's all so old, i'll have to d/l all the newer stuff
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20:45<twb>nichos: aptitude purge ~sgnome?
20:45<twb>nichos: why not just upgrade it, though?
20:45<nichos>twb it keeps getting stuck, right now its stuck on metacity, tells me to apt-get -f install, but that keeps getting stuck too :/
20:46<nichos>im open to suggestions:)
20:46<twb>nichos: are you using aptitude?
20:46<twb>nichos: are you using Etch (or newer)?
20:46<nichos>twb, no, apt
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20:46<nichos>twb, no, this was a sarge/unstable from about 1.5 yrs ago
20:47<twb>Ow.
20:47<nichos>:)
20:47<twb>What is the sources.list now, sarge, testing, unstable?
20:47<nichos>unstable
20:48<twb>You want to upgrade to the current unstable?
20:48<nichos>yeah
20:48<nichos>if possible
20:48<twb>I would try apt-get dist-upgrade
20:48<twb>And pray
20:48<nichos>that's what i did
20:48<twb>And metacity doesn't like it?
20:48<nichos>though the prayers went ignored
20:48<nichos>twd correct
20:48<twb>You don't know that
20:48<twb>They might have made it worse
20:49<twb>Then I'd just remove metacity
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20:49<nichos>how do you force removal?
20:49<simon444>apt-get install homosexuality
20:49<twb>nichos: dpkg -P foo
20:50<nichos>i'll try that, thanks
20:50<nichos>apt: are you sure you want to install simon444? Requires 69k
20:50<simon444>you see homosexuality is originally by choice but once installed it can't be uninstalled
20:51<nichos>you could pull out!
20:51<simon444>of?
20:51<twb>simon444: sounds like OS X
20:52<simon444>twb, based on plan 9 or beos?
20:52<simon444>or palmos
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20:53<twb>You can't uninstall packages on OS X
20:54<PqP>can someone helpme ? i tried to install compiz-fusion and now a lost my window boarder... any idea ?
20:54<nichos>is the x11.org config file the same as xfree?
20:55<gravity>nichos: In format, more or less.
20:55<gravity>xorg will work with your old XF86Config if you rename it to xorg.conf, but for the latest versions currently in testing/unstable it'll kill the old method for doing dual-head
20:56<PqP>i configured my xorg like they say in nvidia tutorial at compiz forum...
20:56<nichos>yeah, im dual-headed
20:56<nichos>gravity why would you do that?
20:57<gravity>nichos: Um, what do you mean?
20:57<PqP>sorry... i'm using debian testing
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20:57<nichos>gravity why would you go to the "new" method for using a dual head?
20:58<gravity>nichos: You have to because the old method breaks.
20:58<gravity>nichos: The old method is broken because randr 1.2 essentially replaces it
20:58<gravity>So it's become obsolete
20:59<gravity>I hope that's the answer you meant...
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21:00<nichos>gravity oh, w/dual heads. do you have a FAQ on how to configure the new file w/dual heads?
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21:00<gravity>nichos: It's documented in the xorg.conf manpage, but those changes aren't in deian just yet. You can look at the source for it on git.freedesktop.org
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21:00<nichos>gravity thanks!
21:00<gravity>nichos: You can also google around, but most of the info is still locked away in mailing list posts
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21:05<gsimmons>twb: (re preseeding) Can't find any reason/excuse as to why it shouldn't work on NETINST. You can try using the full option names (eg. "install auto-install/enable netcfg/choose_interface=auto preseed/url=foo").
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21:06<twb>gsimmons: O
21:06<twb>gsimmons: I'll try tht
21:06<twb>(Stupid keyboard.)
21:06<gsimmons>:)
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21:08<blunted>i am trying to fix my screen resolution, its only letting me do 640x480, but i know it does 1024x786 i just cant convince dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
21:08<blunted>it does not listen when i tell it
21:09<twb>blunted: can you post /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin
21:09<blunted>k
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21:10<Justmeee>Hey where do you get the boot disks and root disks... I am looking on http://www.debian.org but I can't find em
21:11<Justmeee>and no they are not on the etch CD #1 I downloaded the iso and they are not in the /install/floppy directory like it claims in the read me
21:11<Justmeee>they appear to be missing.
21:11<Justmeee>ANyone know where I can get them?
21:11<twb>Justmeee: you mean, like, 3.5" floppies?
21:12<Justmeee>Yes
21:12<tcsetattr>I sure hope nobody's still looking for 5.25" floppies.
21:12<Justmeee>exactly
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21:12<twb>Yow
21:12<Justmeee>LOL 5.25 floppies you must be nearly as old as I am to remember those :)
21:13<Justmeee>I need the 3.5 floppies for a machine that won't boot from CD
21:13<tcsetattr>old? I've actually seen an 8" floppy. Haven't ever seen the drive for it though.
21:13<Justmeee>As I said they are not on the etch CD #1 like it claims..
21:13<Justmeee>they are supose to be in the /install/floppy directory on CD #1 of the etch binaries
21:13<twb>Justmeee: debian.org > network install > floppy disks
21:13<Justmeee>Ahhh ok thanks
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21:13<twb>...isn't helpful
21:14<blunted>http://pastebin.com/m473e297d
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21:14<Justmeee>I dunno if that was an oversite with the directory missing the floppy directory that is
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21:16<twb>10:17 <witte> eurisko: ok ,remove the lines with hsync and vsync
21:16<twb>Justmeee: they're in the ftp tree, I just don't remember where
21:17<Justmeee>Hey twb the files are not there if you follow what you said...
21:17<tcsetattr>how about ftp.us.debian.org:/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
21:17<Justmeee>If you do what you say it takes you to http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst
21:18<Justmeee>Ok let me check there
21:18<Justmeee>There we go
21:18<Justmeee>they are there
21:18<blunted>its vanilla pudding time
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21:26<aricz>hummhumm, anyone want to help me get elmo working ?
21:26<simon444>aricz, tickle it
21:27<aricz>it may be something I've overlooked, very possible..
21:27<aricz>but, I can't send mail.. and I can't recieve mail
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21:28<aricz>it connects to the pop-server .. and tells me I have xx messages waiting
21:28|-|justin changed nick to recklessop
21:28<simon444>you overlooked the box?
21:28<aricz>same with sending.. I make the email, and try to send, nothing happens
21:28<aricz>hm? the box?
21:29<recklessop>quick question, i am playing with some routing... and my normal lan is 192.168.1.xxx and my test network is 192.168.3.xxx and i have a PC (linux ) with two nics one on the 192.168.1.xxx and one on the other
21:29<twb>Hey, what is the plan for when there are no more toy story characters?
21:29<recklessop>when i ping a router at 192.168.3.254 i dont get a response
21:29<aricz>I do get a error at startup : "/home/aricz/mail/inbox is not a valid mailbox" .. not valid? what am I missing here? :)
21:29<recklessop>but i know its up... is there anything ihave todo on my linux box to make the 192.168.3.xxx goto the eth1 adapter?
21:31<tcsetattr>if you've configured eth1 with an 192.168.3.* address and an appropriate netmask, it should add a route for that network automatically. Use "netstat -rn" to see
21:31<twb>recklessop: pastebin the output of /sbin/route -n
21:31<recklessop>kk just a sec
21:31<twb>aricz: is it a file?
21:31<recklessop>ok well i told you the wrong interfaces for the networks but i assure you they are connected to the right switches ... else i couldnt be online
21:31<recklessop>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
21:31<recklessop>192.168.3.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
21:31<recklessop>192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1
21:31<recklessop>0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1
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21:32<twb>Stupid!
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21:32<recklessop>hehe looks like i got kicked for that
21:32<aricz>twb : directory
21:32<twb>aricz: perhaps whatever is "starting up" expects it to be an mbox
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21:34<aricz>twb : no, just tried.. but, I said in .elmorc that my inbox is in the directory /home/aricz/mail ..
21:34<tcsetattr>well you have 192.168.3.* on eth0, so you should be able to ping other machines there.
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21:34<twb>I'm not familiar with elmo
21:35<aricz>twb : without the cfgfile it looks somewhere else and tells me the same "bla/bla/bla is not a valid mailbox"
21:35<twb>Does it expect MH?
21:35<aricz>MH?
21:35<twb>MH is a mailbox format
21:35<twb>I take it you don't know.
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21:35<aricz>hehe
21:35<aricz>well, at least I can google for that extra info
21:35<aricz>:) so danke
21:35<twb>aricz: I'd lurk here and go look for elmo developers
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21:37[~]tcsetattr wonders if elmo is related to elm
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21:38<blunted>man i hope like hell elmo has something to do with computers
21:38<blunted>and you guys arent talking about the muppet
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21:42<twb>elmo is basically not mutt
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21:42<twb>It's the only other MUA is Sid that doesn't depend on x11-common
21:42<dondelelcaro>gnus doesn't either
21:43<tcsetattr>that's interesting, mutt is bascially "not elm". oh wait, that's pine. mutt is not pine. So mutt is "not not elm". But that doesn't mean it's elm.
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21:43<twb>Perhaps I meant "and depends on ncurses"
21:43<twb>I don't remember
21:44<tcsetattr>is nmh in sid?
21:44<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr: what, you mean the law of the excluded middle doesn't apply?
21:44<twb>Yeah
21:45<aricz>I get the same error in mutt too..
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21:47<twb>Foo.
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21:50<twb>gsimmons: when I try url=hands.com, vt4 has "resolver" complaining about libc6 and dhcp-client-udeb being AWOL
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21:56<twb>Worked it out -- the LABEL is "auto", it's not a kernel parameter.
21:56<twb>i.e. "auto url=foo", not "installgui auto url=foo"
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22:03<zoid_>hi, i'm having a very very strange problem while copyng files between two debian boxes over wireless
22:03<zoid_>one is a laptop
22:03<zoid_>using sftp/scp or nfs
22:03<zoid_>in one direction works
22:04<zoid_>in the other, (from the laptop to pc) the laptop freezes
22:04<zoid_>completly, not even answers pings anymore
22:04<zoid_>nothing in the logs
22:04<zoid_>any help on where to look for the problem will be great
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22:08<gmax>wow
22:08<gmax>1st time visitor here
22:08<gmax>anyone around ?
22:08<Covener>long time listener?
22:08<gmax>lol
22:09<gmax>im looking for some help with ramdisks or equivalent on debian
22:09<gmax>or probably more correctly stated as tempfs
22:10<gmax>is there anyone here who is an expert on tempfs matters can could spare me some time ?
22:10<Supaplex>!tell gmax -about ask
22:11<gmax>sorry i did not understand
22:11<Supaplex>just ask the question
22:11<gmax>ok
22:11<gmax>thanks
22:11<gmax>i am running Linux version 2.6.12 (root@development) (gcc version 4.0.3 (Debian 4.0.3-1)) #0 Mon May 15 14:33:44 CEST 2006
22:12<gmax>it was built by someone else. I am linux literate but not debian.
22:12<gmax>(at least not so much)
22:12<gmax>the devices for tempfs seem to be there but it does not work
22:12<gmax>i suspect the driver may not be loaded into the kernel but im not sure how to check
22:12<tcsetattr>it's spelled tmpfs
22:12<Supaplex>what happens when you mount -t tmpfs ?
22:12<gmax>ok
22:13<gmax>i'll run it now and get the exact msg
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22:14<nichos>how can i remove texlive* (forcibly?)
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22:21<gmax>ok
22:21<gmax>i get:
22:21<gmax>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on tmpfs,
22:21<gmax> missing codepage or other error
22:21<gmax> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
22:21<gmax>dmesg tail or so
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22:21<tcsetattr>the full command?
22:21<gmax>mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt
22:21<gsimmons>twb: Ah, that's one to remember.
22:21<tcsetattr>that command does work for me... check your kernel config for CONFIG_TMPFS
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22:21<gmax>how do i do that ?
22:21<Supaplex>grep -i tmpfs /boot/config-*
22:21<tcsetattr>if your kernel has /proc/config.gz, look there. otherwise if it's a debian kernel you can look at /boot/config-`uname -r`
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22:21<tcsetattr>debian kernel should definitely have it though.
22:21<Supaplex>unless someone missed it with kp
22:21<gmax>CONFIG_TMPFS=y
22:21<gmax>i used the grep command above
22:21<tcsetattr>/proc/config.gz is the best way, it's guaranteed to be the config of the running kernel, regardless of any packaging
22:21<gmax>ok
22:21<tcsetattr>I just don't know if 2.6.12 has /proc/config.gz, it's like soo old :)
22:21<tcsetattr>did you check the dmesg like you were told?
22:21<gmax>nope its not there
22:21<Supaplex>2.6.12 sounds like a custom kernel anyway. debian went from .8 to .18 didn't it?
22:21<gmax>yes i checked dmsg
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22:21<gmax>no apparent info
22:21<nichos>how can i remove texlive* (forcibly?)
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22:22<Supaplex>nichos: http://video.google.com thermite pc
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22:22<Supaplex>;)
22:22<nichos>Supaplex no x11.org up yet:P
22:22<CutMeOwnThroat>sounds like *quite* forcibly
22:22<CutMeOwnThroat>but it'll probably be gone
22:22<nichos>i cant update, these packages are broken
22:22<Supaplex>nichos: aptitude remove foo
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22:22<tcsetattr>got tmpfs in /proc/filesystems?
22:23<gmax>yes it has: "nodev tmpfs
22:23<gmax>"
22:23<driver>you can look in /boot for config-2.6.* then cat and grep that
22:24<tcsetattr>and the directory you're trying to mount on... /mnt... does it actually exist?
22:24<nichos>Supaplex can i do something like textlive* ?
22:24<nichos>(* isn't working)
22:24<tcsetattr>mounting doesn't create a directory for the root. it overlays an existing directory (normally an empty one)
22:25<Supaplex>nichos: I think you can with apt-get
22:26<driver>mount with the -t option requires fs type like .ext3 or reiserfs
22:26<nvz>Supaplex: no thinking allowed in here :P
22:26<driver>mount -t ext3 /tmp /mnt
22:26<nvz>o.O
22:26<Supaplex>driver: tmpfs is its own filesystem type
22:27<tcsetattr>looks like apt-get takes a regexp, not a glob, so it'd be apt-get remove '^texlive'
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22:28<nichos>ty guys
22:29<driver>tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) the tmmpfs is already mounted on /dev/shm
22:29<driver>cd /dev/shm
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22:30<tcsetattr>you are allowed to mount as many tmpfs's as you want.
22:31<Supaplex>provided you have ram :)
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22:31<gmax>thats my next challenge :)
22:31<gmax>more ram
22:31<gmax>no point though if i cant get it going
22:31<Supaplex>install a debian stock kernel, avoid the confusion.
22:32<Supaplex>how much ram do you have anyhow?
22:32<gmax>ok this raises a new issue
22:32<gmax>2GB
22:32<gmax>can i run apt-get upgrade to upgrade the system to the current version ?
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22:32<gmax>i have to be careful here as it is a production system
22:33<gmax>fortunately it is running in a virtual server and so I can take a snapshot before i start
22:33<Supaplex>apt will tell you what it's going to do first
22:33<Supaplex>apt-get*
22:33<tcsetattr>did we get a response on the "does /mnt exist" question?
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22:33<gmax>yes /mnt exists
22:33<renan>how can I install my geforce go 6150 on debian amd64?
22:33<gmax>i also created another dir /mydir
22:34<gmax>same problem
22:34<driver>depends on what you have in apt.sources.list
22:34<Supaplex>gmax: http://rafb.net/paste the last messages from dmesg
22:35<renan>how can I install my geforce go 6150 on debian amd64?
22:36<twb>Open up the case and put it in the slot
22:36<Supaplex>!tell renan -about repeat
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22:36<gmax>ms1:/# mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mydir
22:36<gmax>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on tmpfs,
22:36<gmax> missing codepage or other error
22:36<gmax> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
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22:36<renan>sorry Supaplex.. no one was answered me
22:36<twb>Tell gmax it's "tempfs" if he comes back
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22:37<gmax>oops
22:37<gmax>i pasted too much and it kicked me :(
22:37<twb>No it's not.
22:37<Supaplex>spare us the obvious
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22:38<gmax>i didnt know it would do that
22:38<Supaplex>renan: it's nvidia right?
22:38<renan>Supaplex yeah
22:38<gmax>soggy
22:38<Supaplex>!tell gmax -about paste
22:38<Supaplex>!tell renan -about nvidia
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22:40<gmax>anyone got any more clues/suggestions ?
22:40<gmax>I dont know why the system has a custom kernel
22:40<gmax>i cant think of any reason for it
22:41<gmax>unless it was an effort to cut down on size and improve performance
22:41<tcsetattr>if it's a custom kernel you can't trust that the config file was put in /boot. find the source directory where it was compiled and look for CONFIG_TMPFS in its .config
22:41<gmax>ok
22:41<gmax>what should i be searching for (source file location)
22:41<Supaplex>gmax: you never gave us a paste-url for dmesg output
22:42<gmax>oh sorry
22:42<gmax>i dont know how to do that
22:42<gmax>i pasted and it kicked me
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22:42<Supaplex>!paste howto
22:42<dpkg>howto: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
22:42<driver> 2.6.15.1.080206 #1 this is what my custom kernel looks like created aug 2 2006
22:42<gmax>ok
22:44<Supaplex>!pastebin howto
22:44<dpkg>pastebin howto is, like, step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to http://rafb.net/paste step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here.
22:44<Supaplex>that's what I was thinking.
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22:46<gmax>http://rafb.net/p/fiviZj86.html
22:46<gmax>i think that worked
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22:46<gmax>!paste howto
22:46<dpkg>howto: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
22:46<Supaplex>uhm line 5 says dmesg | tail
22:46<Supaplex>you gave us | head
22:46<gmax>LOL OOPS
22:47<gmax>how stupid do I feel right now
22:47<tcsetattr>dmesg piping with a double-headed coin
22:47<Supaplex>hehe yup
22:48<gmax>http://rafb.net/p/Gj2oUQ21.html
22:48<gmax>trying again: :D
22:49<Supaplex>nothing apparent.
22:49<Supaplex>cat /etc/issue
22:49<driver>dpkg -l |grep kernel = ii kernel-image-2.6.15.1.080206 10.00.Custom
22:49<dpkg>No packages found matching |grep kernel = ii kernel-image-2.6.15.1.080206 10.00.Custom
22:49<driver>woops
22:49<gmax>my /etc/issue is empty
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22:50<tcsetattr>hard to see what can go wrong with tmpfs besides "some dork removed it fromt he kernel configuration" and since you don't have a reliable copy of the .config we can't rule that out
22:50<renan>Supaplex the xdm runs with a green screen
22:50<renan>isnt work my videocard
22:50<Supaplex>renan: check wiki.debian.org
22:51<Supaplex>are you using testing?
22:51<renan>no
22:51<renan>etch
22:51<gmax>is .config a file or directory
22:51<Supaplex>which kernel?
22:51<renan>2.6.18-4
22:51<Supaplex>gmax: it's a file.
22:51<tcsetattr>.config is the config file that's generated when you configure a kernel with "make menuconfig" or similar.
22:51<gmax>where would i find it ?
22:52<Supaplex>renan: that's good. you might check bts to
22:52<Supaplex>gmax: top level kernel source
22:52<renan>bts?
22:52<Supaplex>bugs.debian.org = bug tracking system
22:52<driver>you can find it in the /boot directory
22:52<gmax>ok
22:52<tcsetattr>grrr.
22:54<tcsetattr>I'm going to start biting people if they don't quit saying that kernel configs are in /boot. Those are only put there by the debian packaging system. There is no reason to believe they actually correspond to the running kernel. They are basically useless.
22:54<gmax>this is my /boot dir http://rafb.net/p/ChBf5H18.html
22:54<Supaplex>yay my d-i kernel finally built.
22:54<gmax>more config-*
22:54<gmax>oops
22:55<driver>and this is your config file config-2.4.27-2-386
22:55<Supaplex>gmax: what's uname -a say again?
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22:55<gmax>Linux ms1.cleanas.net 2.6.12 #0 Mon May 15 14:33:44 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
22:55<Supaplex>gmax: and is the system running etch? sarge?
22:56<gmax>sarge
22:56<driver>if you want to verify your tmpfs .. just run mount with no options
22:56<Supaplex>topic. upgrade to etch
22:56<gmax>easy to do ?
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22:56<Supaplex>mostly. but critical. sarge is loosing security support soon
22:57<Supaplex>etch's kernel is 2.6.18
22:57<gmax>is it a re-install or an upgrade ?
22:57<Supaplex>and has tmpfs support
22:57<tcsetattr>custom kernel with vmware garbage may be a pain to replicate
22:57<Supaplex>!tell gmax about sarge->etch
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22:57<gmax>im not worried about vmware issues
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22:58<Supaplex>the amd pcnet32 driver is in the new kernel, so it should be ok. but if it's vmware, create a snapshot if you're worried.
22:58[~]Supaplex perfers vserver and openvz over vmware for linux guests
22:58<gmax>Supapex you typed "!tell gmax about sarge->etch"
22:58<gmax>is that some bot thing ?
22:58<stoned>hehe
22:58<stoned>supapex
22:58<Supaplex>gmax: dpkg msgs you factiods
22:58<gmax>oops
22:58<tcsetattr>yeah, some people around here for some reason think it's pleasant to speak to each other thorugh b0ts instead of as humans.
22:58<Supaplex>stoned: gmax another one of your clients? ;)
22:59<gmax>Supaplex sorry
22:59<stoned>lol
22:59<stoned>Supaplex: I don't deal :)
22:59<stoned>I swear
22:59<Supaplex>haha ok.
22:59<stoned>man I can't breath through my nose
22:59<Supaplex>tcsetattr: w/o !tell, we'd end up flooding the channel.
22:59<stoned>I used vicks and my room smells now
23:00<gmax>dpkg msgs you factiods
23:00<gmax>lol
23:00<stoned>I still can' tbreath out of my nose
23:00<stoned>!dpkgbot
23:00<dpkg>[dpkgbot] Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you.
23:00<Supaplex>!say hi gmax
23:00<dpkg>hi gmax
23:00<gmax>well what am i supposted to do it ?
23:00<gmax>lol
23:00<Supaplex>!sarge->etch
23:00<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security>
23:00<Supaplex>just follow the instructions
23:00<Supaplex>did you get that from /query dpkg before?
23:02<driver>release notes reccomends aptitude for package management but I dont like it
23:02<Supaplex>it's more capable when it comes to dependency hurdles
23:03<tcsetattr>it's more capable of deciding it wants to remove half the packages on your system for no reason
23:03<driver>aptitude is great! for finding broken packages
23:03<driver>amen to that
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23:04<gmax>!sarge->etch
23:04<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security>
23:04<Supaplex>works fine for me. file a bug with descriptive details if you want it fixed. (barring 'by design' and 'user error' issues)
23:04<gmax>aha
23:04<gmax>i see
23:04<driver>release notes also sez that the upgrade will fail if any packages are on hold
23:05<Supaplex>silly intel. http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/21397.htm I guess "optical" is ... wired.
23:06<Supaplex>argh! I forgot to compile the nic static for nfsroot.
23:07<gmax>well guys thanks for the help. I think my sensible path is to try to run the upgrade to etch as suggested.
23:07<gmax>at least the problem is (probably) not something stupid like command line syntax :)
23:09<tcsetattr>unfortunately since the kernel uses tmpfs internally, /proc/filesystems can show tmpfs even when you have it disabled for external use
23:10<Supaplex>tcsetattr: oh because of shm?
23:10<gmax>mmm. i imagine that is a side effect of linux where the presence of a file does not mean it works
23:10<driver>right, the tmpfs is not for userspace
23:11<driver>its virtual and binnary
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23:39<gmax>Hi folks
23:39<gmax>i have started a process for upgrading from sarge to etch
23:39<gmax>i ran an aptitude upgrade command
23:39<gmax>with the following results
23:40<gmax>http://rafb.net/p/IIl02t86.html
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23:40<nichos>hi all, im upgrading from xfree to xorg, im having trouble w/artwiz
23:40<gmax>anyone got an idea on how to fix this ?
23:40<nichos>Cannot find alternative `/etc/X11/cursors/core.theme
23:40<formorer>gmax: this is no sarge
23:40<gmax>i ran the upgrade again but it did not help
23:41<formorer>gmax: sarge has no idea about gpg release file checking
23:41<gmax>mmm
23:41<nichos>~tell nichos about artwiz
23:41<nichos>~tell nichos about artwiz-cursor
23:41<gmax>ok so .... what should i do ?
23:41<litage>gmax: google for the key that apt doesn't know about
23:42<formorer>gmax: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174
23:42<gmax>ok
23:42<gmax>thanks
23:42<formorer>gmax: btw. this was the third google hit or so. You also want to read the release notes
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23:43<gmax>thanks formorer. i searched it in google before but found nothing that made sense to me
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23:44<nichos>has anyone had trouble install artwiz-cursor?
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23:53<sysop>What's up
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23:55<nichos>word
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