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00:37<sysop>bye
00:37<niru>hi a;
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00:38<marcelo>hello world
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00:40<marcelo>ll
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00:40<niru>I have an ntfs partition and linux detects its label properly on /mnt
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00:41<niru>but in Desktop the lable is not proper
00:41<niru>how can I change the label on desktop
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00:53<Fox_1_>hi all
00:54<Supaplex>http://volatile.debian.net/ is down? is it discontinued?
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00:54<formorer>Supaplex: it moved to .org since ages
00:55<jm_>Supaplex: it's mentioned in the release notes
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00:55<jm_>The debian-volatile service that was introduced as an unofficial service with the release of sarge has now become an official Debian GNU/Linux service.
00:55<jm_>This means that it now uses a .debian.org address[3]. Please make sure to update your /etc/apt/sources.list accordingly if you were already using this service.
00:55<Supaplex>oh then dpkg needs a few factoids fixored. :)
00:55<kintaro0e>hi guys..i have a config file and i want to change all web.html ---> web.war, how can i do it? do i use a bash scripting?
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00:56<jm_>kintaro0e: you can use sed, ed, sarep, ...
00:56<tcsetattr>!listvals volatile.debian.net
00:56<dpkg>Factoid search of 'volatile.debian.net' by value (1): debian-volatile.
00:56<iv>after installation debian 4 kdm don't start.. what should i do?
00:56<tcsetattr>a few factoids? just one...
00:56<Supaplex>!listvals volatile
00:57<dpkg>Factoid search of 'volatile' by value (3): debian-volatile ;; nvram ;; volatile.
00:57<kintaro0e>jm_: ok..tnx..do you have a sample script on it? :)
00:57<jm_>kintaro0e: you don't know how to use the 's' command in sed?
00:58<Supaplex>5m ago volatile was old. :) someone fixed it already.
00:59<Supaplex>volatile.debian.org is likewise unresponsive.
01:01<formorer>works here
01:01<gsimmons_>Supaplex: Works for me. It issues a redirect to http://www.debian.org/volatile/
01:01<Supaplex>sure now it works. 15m later. :P
01:01<kintaro0e>jm_: ok
01:01<kintaro0e>tnx
01:02<tcsetattr>looks like one of its IP addresses is down. 192.54.42.193 works, 82.195.75.82 doesn't
01:03<Supaplex>I was getting 2kb/s - now it is dead.
01:03[~]Supaplex hacks /etc/hosts
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01:06<niru>hello Supaplex
01:06<niru>how r u
01:07<niru>I have some doubts
01:09<Supaplex>you don't have to address me personally everytime you have a question. just ask.
01:10<Supaplex>on that note, I think I'll head to bed. night.
01:14<zobel>Supaplex: host currently down. i am working on it.
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01:14<jason>halo
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02:21<mjk>What's the difference between the hashes H1 and H2 given in /etc/crypttab: "cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:$H1,size=256,hash=$H2"? -- I left out H2 in crypttab, and initramfs's /scripts/local-top/cryptroot defaults to H2=sha256, whereas the default for cryptsetup is H2=ripemd160 (which of course made mounting my crypted volume fail).
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02:22<kop>When I've an interface with an alias, what determines whether a program will use the alias or the underlying interface address when making outbound connections?
02:22<mjk>According to cryptsetup's manpage, H2 (given as --hash xxx or -h xxx) is for password hashing, but what the hash function after the colon (:) is for, is not mentioned.
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02:25<kop>mjk: Wouldn't that be which hash function is used? Md5 SHA, etc. Some are easier to reverse than others, some are faster, etc.
02:26<mjk>kop: But why two hashes? How do they differ?
02:27<kop>mjk: That's kind of a big question. Some are easier to reverse than others. Those that are easier to reverse are easier to crack.
02:27<mjk>Linux's / Debian's crypto documentation sucks -- is that applied "Security by Obscurity"? ;-}
02:27<mjk>kop: ?
02:27<kop>mjk: Dunno reverse is the right word, could be "find collisions".
02:28<mjk>kop: I know there are different hash functions, but why do I need to give cryptsetup/crypttab two of them? What's the use of the one after the colon (":")?
02:28<kop>mjk: I'd hit wikipedia first. See "man md5" for a list of openssl hash functions.
02:29<kop>mjk : Ok, you know more about it than me.
02:29<mjk>kop: I'd rather need a Wikipedia article about cryptsetup or Linux crypto in general. :-} This stuff is either badly documented, or I'm just to enervated to find the right place.
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02:29<kop>mjk : You might also look at the kernel documention.
02:30<kop>mjk : I forget linux-doc-2.6?
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02:30<kop>mjk : I'd expect it to be part of the kernel's filesystem docs.
02:30<mjk>kop: Already had a look at it yesterday, but I was really tired, so I'll try again today. :-)
02:31<kop>I'm annoyed. Made assigned an alias address to an interface, and now all the programs want to use that for client connections.
02:31<mjk>kop: Why is that bad?
02:32<mjk>kop: "You wanted it, you asked for it, you got it." :-)
02:32<kop>mjk : Who knows. Linux tends to be badly documented. But I'd expect the crypto fs to be documented somewhere on the web or nobody'd trust it.
02:32<kop>mjk : I only want the extra, as extra.
02:32<kop>mjk : My firewall's unhappy.
02:33<mjk>kop: Hm, I see.
02:33<kop>mjk : The right solution is xen, but I'm currently faking it with an alias interface.
02:34<kop>gottago.
02:34<mjk>bye
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02:48<_Timer_>hi
02:48<tupa>how can I make wine applications recognize network interfaces, I ran this app that needs eth1 but it only showed eth0's IP, checked ifconfig and a new eth0-"something" appeared, so I took down eth0 to see if it recognized eth1 but I got no luck
02:48<tupa>can anyone help?
02:50<tupa>and network is not listed under winecfg :(
02:50<Supaplex>what's the app?
02:51[~]Supaplex dozes off from lack of sleep
02:51<tupa>Supaplex: CMsniff
02:52<Supaplex>packet tracing?
02:52<Supaplex>what's winehq.org's appdb say about it?
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02:53<tupa>Supaplex: it is a generic cable modem sniffer application
02:53<Supaplex>why not use tcpdump :)
02:54<_Timer_>:)
02:55<Supaplex>freenode has #winehq I believe.
02:55<Supaplex>anyways... now it's not so hot in this house, sleep might be possible.
02:55<tupa>Supaplex: does it dumps the IP + MAC addresses of my neighbors in the same ISP?
02:56<tupa>that's exactly what CMsniff does
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02:57<Supaplex>tcpdump -n -e -i ethX arp
02:57<Supaplex>sounds nefarious either way. caveat emptor - don't cry to me if you violate your AUP/local laws/etc.
02:59<_Timer_>ammm... I have etch with 2.6.18 kernel - what is the shortest way to 2.6.22 kernel?
02:59<_Timer_>:)
03:00<tupa>_Timer_ build the source
03:00<Supaplex>depends on why you want the .22 kernel
03:00<_Timer_>integreited video
03:00<Supaplex>!tell _Timer_ -about kp
03:01<Supaplex>keep the old one around incase you run into troubleshooting issues.
03:02<_Timer_>it is sandbox comp ^)
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03:03<Supaplex>either way :) it'll save everyone frustration in the long run
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03:09<suffer>i have a weird problem i'm hoping someone can help me with
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03:10<suffer>i'm helping a friend build a epic4 bot on a shell account he has, but the system has almost nothing installed
03:11<suffer>i was able to decompress the epic4 deb, but one of the scripts depends on gnu units
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03:11<suffer>units reads from a .dat file. and i can't seem to find a place to put the dat file so that units will read it
03:12<suffer>i've tried keeping it in it's usuall dir (ie base/share/misc/units.dat
03:12<jm_>open("/usr/share/misc/units.dat", O_RDONLY) = 3
03:12<suffer>haha
03:13<koollman>yep, strace is nice
03:13<suffer>i thought you were gone
03:13<koollman>or 'apt-file show units | grep dat'
03:14<suffer>well luckily jm knows exactly what i'm looking for since he wrote the script =D
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03:16<suffer>jm_, where exactly do i need to put that though?
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03:17<jm_>suffer: it's highly unlikely I wrote the script because I have never used epic4
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03:18<suffer>oh... sorry... the person who did goes by 'jm'
03:18<suffer>and uses debian
03:18<jm_>suffer: it looks for it in the PATH too
03:18<jm_>or in current dir
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03:19<suffer>i tried putting it in the cur dir (which also PATH)
03:19<jm_>ahh not the Debian version it would seem
03:19<jm_>just rebuild it
03:20<suffer>that's the problem, i can't. that's why i've been decompressing the debs
03:20<suffer>it's a free shell and you can't compile anything unless you are a donator
03:21<jm_>compile it elsewhere ...
03:21<suffer>that's a thought
03:24<suffer>thanks for your help jm_
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03:25<jm_>no worries
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03:40<kasra>hello!
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03:49<mjk>Is there an elegant way to mount the /boot directory on /dev/hda2 as /boot (and not as /boot/boot) on my root directory? Of course, I could mount it to /boot.real and run "ln -s /boot.real/boot /boot", but that's not really elegant.
03:51<jm_>mjk: add it to fstab
03:51<simon444>mjk, yes just use the debian port of plan 9 or learn fstab
03:51<mjk>jm_: Yes, but how? I cannot specify "/dev/hda2/boot" (just like with nfs: pc99:/boot/boot /boot).
03:52<jm_>mjk: ehh? you specify /dev/hda2 for device
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03:52<mjk>jm_: Yes, but the device contains the directory /boot (alas, grub needs its files under there), so when I have "/dev/hda2 /boot ..." in my fstab, the boot files are in /boot/boot, not in /boot.
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03:53<jm_>mjk: /boot/boot is usually a symlink (GRUB doesn't really need it, but it's added for convenience)
03:54<jm_>mjk: so it appaears to me you have it backwards :)
03:54<jm_>mjk: maybe bind mount would work
03:54<jm_>but who knows if it will work for this weird case
03:54<mjk>jm_: No symlink to be seen here. And yes, GRUB *does* need /boot, because otherwise it can't read its menu.lst and will halt with "Error 15" (file not found).
03:55<jm_>mjk: naah, one can tell it where to look for that file when installing it, but most of the scripts are too stupid to pass it properly
03:55<mjk>jm_: Thought about that bind voodoo stuff, but have no experience with that yet.
03:56<mjk>jm_: man grub-install says "grub-install copies GRUB images into the DIR/boot directory specfied by --root-directory, and uses the grub shell to install grub into the boot sector."
03:57<mjk>jm_: And the manpage update-grub also refers solely to /boot.
03:57<jm_>mjk: yup, that's why the symlink
03:58<mjk>jm_: Can you tell me exactly where the link is and what it points to? Sorry if that's a stupid question. :-/
03:58<jm_>mjk: but I can now see how you ended up with it - stupid scripts
03:59<mjk>jm_: Err ... wait.
03:59<jm_>mjk: well normally it would be like this: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda2 && mount /boot && cd /boot && ln -s . boot
03:59<jm_>mjk: I would just try the bind thing in your case
04:00<mjk>jm_: Strange ... I just see that on my current system, there is no /boot directory on the boot partition indeed!
04:00<mjk>jm_: And thus no symlink needed anywhere.
04:00<mjk>jm_: Now I just have to find out what my system does what the new system is missing ...
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04:01<jm_>mjk: how do you call grub-install?
04:02<mjk>jm_: Errr ... I can hardly believe what I see in the shell history of my current system, but it claims I once had entered: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sdb2 '(hd1)'
04:02<mjk>Sheeesh!
04:02<jm_>mjk: hehe
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04:03<jm_>luckily I don't have saving of history file enabled, althought I did try to enable it the other day, but it refused to work, must look into it some more
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04:04<mjk>jm_: I have a shell with no limits (okay, 999 million lines or so) and with time stamp enabled, and it rocks!
04:04<mjk>jm_: a shell history, even
04:05<jm_>mjk: ohh I have a limit set to 1500 entries, seems to be enough
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04:28<mixter>hi! if i boot with noapic as a kernel option, what would that change in the kernel behaviour?
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04:29<mjk>Which partition type should I use for a 64 MB USB stick? There is: 6) FAT16, b) W95 FAT32, c) W95 FAT32 (LBA), e) W95 FAT16 (LBA).
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04:30<mixter>mjk: are you going to use it both for windows and linux?
04:31<mixter>mjk: i would format it on a windows box first. :-)
04:31<mjk>mixter: I just wanna boot from it using GRUB. And I think ... I'll take ext2. :-)
04:32<mixter>mjk: ok, then you could set linux as the partition type (82 or 83 i think)
04:32<mjk>mixter: :-)Yes, I know mkdosfs is/was buggy (handled 2k-block-size magneto-optical disks as having 512 bytes block size)
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04:36<niru>how can I test the commands like d-i cdrom-detect/eject boolean true
04:36<niru>from terminal
04:37<niru>jm_, any idea
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04:42<padski>is a pointer always a long int ?
04:43<jm_>niru: what do you mean?
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04:45<jm_>mixter: about "noapic" -- did you read kernel-parameters.txt?
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04:46<abraxas>hello
04:46<mjk>Argh! When I mount/unmount my USB stick, I get messages like "sd 4:0:0:0: ioctl_internal_command return code = 8000002" etc. directly on the current console. I added "*.* /dev/null" both as first and as last line in /etc/syslog.conf and ran "invoke-rc.d sysklogd reload" (and restart, too), but the messages still appear. Help! %-/
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04:46<abraxas>someone can help me to install a ipw3945?
04:46<phisikus>hello
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04:46<jm_>!ipw3945
04:46<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
04:46<phisikus>:]
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04:46<jm_>I suppose the answer is yes
04:47<jm_>mjk: /msg dpkg printk console
04:47<mjk>jm_: Thanks!
04:47<abraxas>I'd add non free entires in my sources.list, and I updated and I did put this command,but it didnt download
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04:49<jm_>you'll need to provide more details if you want people to help you
04:49<gsimmons_>abraxas: Did you add non-free _and_ contrib?
04:49<abraxas>gsimmons_, yes, ill tell u the address
04:50<abraxas>ops...I dont know how to copy from the terminal
04:50<abraxas>but uits ftp.es.debian.org/debian
04:50<abraxas>testing main contrib non-free
04:50<abraxas>I wish I could copy u the error,but I dont know how to copy from console,and there are a lot of lines
04:51<jm_>use gpm or screen
04:51<jm_>and don't paste here
04:51<gsimmons_>!paste
04:51<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
04:51<abraxas>I know...if I did i did in pastebin.com
04:52<abraxas>but even there I cant copy...if i had konsole or gnome-terminal,ill install one of them
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04:52<lawnninja>can't you run the command and output it into a file?
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04:53<abraxas>yes,ill copy now
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04:53<abraxas>just a sec, ill wait 5 minutes untill debian finish to update itself and ill do the aptitude again
04:53<abraxas>and ill copy in pastebin
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04:54<abraxas>Viva Debian Carajo!
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04:55<themill>!pastebin oneliner
04:55<dpkg>it has been said that pastebin oneliner is at http://pastebin.ca/tools.php.
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04:56<jm_>!pastebin pipe
04:56<dpkg>To pipe your output: curl -i# -F 'code2= lt;-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc'
04:57<mixter>jm_: yes, but i don't know exactly what the ioapics are for. if i got it right, the apic takes care of the irq requests when using smp. i got a dual core machine with room for a second dual core cpu. what will the effect be if the kernel don't use apic?
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05:01<jm_>mixter: you can't disable APIC when SMP is enabled in kernel, but I am not quite sure what happens if you pass noapic to such kernel (I only have single core CPU-s for now)
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05:01<themill>jm_: that pastebin pipe doesn't work any more.
05:02<mixter>jm_: ok, do you know if one could use nolapic?
05:02<mixter>jm_: with an smp system that is
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05:02<coNP>Where to report that packages.debian.org has missing files (e.g., http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/openbox .dsc, .diff.gz, .orig.tar.gz points to nowhere)
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05:05<jm_>themill: bummer, there's script somewhere too
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05:06<jm_>mixter: no, it fits in the same category
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05:09<mjk>How come printk messages I get on the console (and which I can control through /proc/sys/kernel/printk) cannot be redirected to a log file using syslog.conf? The messages could be important (SCSI errors etc.)
05:10<takka>hi. i got a box connected to a fiber-channel array. now, when i gow a LUN-zise on the array, how can i on-the-fly make the kernel re-read / rescan for the changed LUN-size (without removing/ reinserting the kernel-module) ?
05:10<takka>gow=grow
05:11<jm_>takka: did you try the tools from scsitools package?
05:11<themill>dpkg: no, pastebin pipe is <reply> Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and aptitude install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl.
05:11<dpkg>themill: okay
05:12<takka>jm_: no yet. which bin would do the trick?
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05:12<mjk>Errr ... forget my question, folks, I just discovered that there is not only "sysklogd", but also "klogd". Now logging works as expected.
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05:13<jm_>takka: well maybe rescan-scsi-bus.sh
05:13<jm_>mjk: it should be logged with default Debian config file
05:14<mjk>jm_: It wasn't a minute before but I guess klogd wasn't properly (if at all) restarted after I removed "*.* /dev/null".
05:14<mjk>jm_: Now everthing is sane. :-)
05:14<lunatic>coNP, try a mirror (e.g. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openbox/openbox_3.4.2-1.dsc) ftp.debian.org does not update well
05:14<jm_>mjk: yeah that wouldn't be default config anyway :)
05:14<mjk>jm_: :-)
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05:16<coNP>lunatic: thanks, I did :) I was just not sure if it is known
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05:30<Zap-W>how to tell aptitude to purge all packages marked as RC
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05:33<jm_>Zap-W: use its search patterns
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05:35<Zap-W>what does aptitude purge '~c' mean
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05:40<dondelelcaro>Zap-W: if you read the manual's page on search parameters, you'll now.
05:40<dondelelcaro>s/now/know/
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05:46<MilkFloat>hi guys, having a bit of a problem with iptables, and it's absolutely baffling me. I have a loadbalancer setup using 2 debian etch servers as webservers - the loadbalancer software requires the following iptables line: iptables -A PREROUTING -d ${VIRTUALIP} -p tcp -j REDIRECT
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05:48<MilkFloat>now this works fine on fedora, but debian is not having any of it. I know iptables is working because I test configured it to block port 80 access. The modules are loaded, so all that seems to be fine, and the loadbalancer setup is a standard one that there have never been problems with before
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05:48<MilkFloat>does anyone have any ideas why this might not be working? Are there any nuances with debian I need to know about
05:48<fernando>jcvbzxkgzxfhvxhvvh
05:48<fernando>xjdfhgzxjvcbzjhf
05:48<fernando>jjjbhbkjuuhhk
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05:50<YogSothoth>Hi!
05:50<YogSothoth>How can I definitly prevent my Debian server to check disk at boot?
05:51<abraxas>what u mean check disk?
05:51<abraxas>the hard disk?
05:51<dondelelcaro>YogSothoth: shutdown -f; when you shut down. However, you want it to run fsck on boot.
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05:53<abraxas>dondelelcaro, u r also in freenode,right?
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05:55<Zap-W>dondelelcaro, aptitude manual page has some strang characters
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05:58<jm_>Zap-W: that has been fixed in later revision
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05:58<YogSothoth_>back
05:58<jm_>but search patterns are not described in the man page anyway
05:58<YogSothoth_>Sorry I've lost connexion
05:58<Zap-W>jm_, not in etch
05:58<YogSothoth_>I said: I want to prevent the automatic disk checkin, every 30 boots, see what I mean?
05:58<YogSothoth_>Because it takes ages and my server is a production server
05:58<YogSothoth_>and I can't afford it to take 15' to reboot
05:58<YogSothoth_>dondelelcaro, I don't want to shutdown, only reboot. This is remote server, if I shutdown it, I'm annoyed :)
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06:02<YogSothoth_>Think I found what I need: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/tag/administration/page/3/
06:02<YogSothoth_>Thanks anyway!
06:03<jm_>Zap-W: yes, you should be familiar with update process in Debian by now
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06:05<Zap-W>jm_, it isnt critical so it wont appear in etch?
06:05<Zap-W>security
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06:05<juLoq>ia ia!
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06:06<jm_>Zap-W: yeah, normally only security updates reach stable and from time to time some important packages, but I doubt this will make it
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06:14<pprados>ra
06:14<pprados>wara
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06:15<pprados>abla en espain
06:15<pprados>puta
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06:16<abraxas>q pasa che
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06:17<abraxas>I get always this error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
06:18<azeem>abraxas: that's not an error, that's just saying thre was an error earlier
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06:18<abraxas>it always will appear?
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06:19<azeem>abraxas: if there was an error earlier, yes
06:19<abraxas>azeem, but it dont install the program I want because when I try to install my wireless card again, it says i havent the same dependency
06:19<azeem>fix/resolve the earlier error, and it'll hopefully go away
06:19<abraxas>how ?,i dont know even what error
06:20<azeem>you got the output on your computer, I can't see it
06:20<abraxas>it says error processing several dependencies
06:21<azeem>it surely says more than that
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06:22<abraxas>azeem, http://pastebin.com/m4dea2d16
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06:23<azeem>#
06:23<azeem>Setting up exim4-config (4.67-5) ...
06:23<azeem>#
06:23<azeem>/usr/sbin/update-exim4defaults: line 79: getopt: command not found
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06:23<azeem>bloody pastebin
06:23<azeem>anyway, there's your error
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06:35<abraxas>azeem, I see,but how to fix it?
06:36<azeem>abraxas: what does "dpkg -l util-linux | tail -1" say?
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06:36<abraxas>rc util-linux 2.12r-19 Miscellaneous system utilities
06:36<abraxas> azeem
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06:37<azeem>abraxas: why did you remove util-linux?
06:37<abraxas>i didnt remove anything
06:38<azeem>well, it quite plainly states this above
06:38<azeem>is somebody else admining this box besides you?
06:38<abraxas>no
06:38<abraxas>can I get it back again?
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06:39<azeem>abraxas: it's a Debian package, I hope you know how to install .debs
06:39<abraxas>no
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06:40<abraxas>why it happened?,maybe cause i was updating the system and the connection stopped sudenly?
06:40<azeem>that wouldn't remove it
06:40<azeem>abraxas: what did you try to do in the pastebin above?
06:41<abraxas>to install my ipw3945 card for wireless
06:42<azeem>no, you tried to install Debian package to get your wireless working
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06:42<azeem>try the same with util-linux
06:42<abraxas>ok,ill fix it with synaptic
06:42<abraxas>s
06:42<abraxas>making mark all upgrades
06:42<abraxas>its ok?
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06:42<Ash_>Quick boot question if anyone has a spare second...
06:42<azeem>abraxas: get util-linux fixed as soon as possible, you can worry about upgrades later
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06:43<abraxas>but how I get util-linux fixed?, apt-get install util-linux?
06:43<abraxas>sorry,im worse than a newbie
06:43<abraxas>u think its conveniant to reinstall debian?
06:44<abraxas>I can with no problem
06:44<abraxas>azeem, the "MARK ALL UPGRADES" in synaptics is instaling me the util-linux :-)
06:45<JasonS>abraxas: as with most things debian apt-get install aptitude install or synaptics
06:45<abraxas>yes JasonS ,thnx,synaptics is installing it already
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06:51<Zap-W>any backports of xfce available?
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06:53<themill>Zap-W: please dont ask on both debian channels at the same time
06:53<abraxas>JasonS, azeem , finishing the instalation I got an error: failed to fetch http://ft[es///urletc.......dpkg_1.14.5i386.deb MD5Sum mismatch
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06:54<azeem>abraxas: run Update, retry Upgrade
06:56<abraxas>azeem, E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
06:56<abraxas>always I get errors
06:58<azeem>abraxas: we won't fix them for you unless you provide the full output on a pastebin
06:58<azeem>just quoting "Oops there was a error" is in no way helpful
07:00<abraxas>azeem, LOOK! i know why it happened!!! when I try to install the driver of my wireless it delete a lot of files!
07:00<abraxas>http://pastebin.com/m310caa73
07:01<azeem>it's not removing util-linux, though
07:01<abraxas>u see?, why it happened?...but it removes a lot of files
07:02<SixF9>abraxas: but it mentions why they are marked for removal
07:02<abraxas>yes,it says not used
07:02<abraxas>well, but anyway,why it dont install my ipw3945 if I have nonfree repositories?
07:02<SixF9>abraxas: that kind of means these packages were installed because of depencencies before and these do not exist anymore
07:03<abraxas>ah, SixF9 ,shokran,thnx
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07:03<gsimmons_>abraxas: You missed a hyphen. You needed to enter 'ipw3945-modules-2.6-686', not 'ipw3945-modules2.6.686'.
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07:05<abraxas>eh... cof...cof... gsimmons_ u could tell me in private
07:05<abraxas>ajajaja,joking, thank u very much
07:05<SixF9>:)
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07:07<abraxas>but with "iwconfig" I cant see my card
07:07<abraxas>but it was installed
07:07<lupine_85>is the ipw3945 daemon installed & running?
07:08<abraxas>lupine_85, installed but I dont know if running
07:08<lupine_85>well, it needs to be running :). also check the output of dmesg
07:08<abraxas>its not automatic?
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07:08<lupine_85>i'm not sure; can't hurt to check
07:09<lupine_85>also, some ipw3945 cards have on/off switches. Make sure yours doesn't, or if it does, that it's "on"
07:10<abraxas>on,but i dont see with the dmesg any ipw3945
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07:12<lupine_85>does the card show up in lspci/lsusb? is the kernel module loaded? what happens if you remove/reinsert the card?
07:13<abraxas>i cant,its a laptop
07:13<abraxas>but lspci show the card,yes
07:13<themill>abraxas: that's a good start.
07:13<lupine_85>and the kernel module?
07:13<abraxas>themill, how r u?,u remember me/, "palestinian", I asked u if install debian
07:14<abraxas>lupine_85, ...i didnt touch the kernel, I didnt compile
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07:14<themill>! ipw3945 reload
07:14<dpkg>the ipw3945 module and regulatory daemon need to be restarted when you change settings or come back up from suspend. The ipw3945d daemon is stopped when you remove the module and started when it's reinserted: modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945
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07:14<simon444>!simon244
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07:15<simon444>dpkg: simon444 is an answer person
07:15<dpkg>okay, simon444
07:16<simon444>!simon244
07:16<abraxas>http://pastebin.com/m575b7cdd themill
07:16<azeem>simon444: please /query the bot
07:16<simon444>azeem, coool
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07:17<themill>abraxas: have you installed the ipw3945 kernel module?
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07:18<abraxas>themill, with apt-get
07:18<themill>simon444: please don't fill the bot's brain with cruft. It is already carrying around 37475 factoids
07:19<simon444>themill, it didn't learn it. Stupid bot!
07:19<duncan>make sure you have also installed firmware-ipw3945
07:19<themill>simon444: it did... you just can't type
07:19<themill>simon444: :)
07:19<abraxas>yes because i did it " aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d"
07:20<lupine_85>well, it can't find the module, which means the module isn't there... never mind the firmware
07:20<simon444>themill, whooooooops
07:20<simon444>!simon444
07:20<dpkg>from memory, simon444 is an answer person
07:20<themill>abraxas: uname -r
07:20<simon444>bye
07:20<abraxas>Montsegur:/home/abraxas# uname -r 2.6.18-4-686
07:21<duncan>bye
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07:22<themill>abraxas: apt-cache policy ipw3945-modules-2.6-686
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07:23<abraxas>http://pastebin.com/m2adf73e1 themill
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07:24<lupine_85>that one's for a later kernel v ersion
07:24<abraxas>so its ok,no?
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07:25<lupine_85>you want =2.6.18-4
07:25<lupine_85>kernel modules have to be the same version as the running kernel, to use
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07:25<abraxas>ah,so I must recompile the kernel?, for me thats mean a kernel pnic
07:25<abraxas>panic
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07:27<abraxas>mmm,there are modules for my version of kernel?
07:27<lupine_85>yes
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07:27<abraxas>how can get them?,I need before uninstall what I installed already?
07:27<lupine_85>apt-get install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686=2:2.6.18-4
07:27<lupine_85>I think
07:28<abraxas>apt-get remove,right?
07:28<lupine_85>no
07:28<abraxas>aptitude,sorry
07:28<lupine_85>or you could install the later kernel and reboot
07:28<lupine_85>no need to remove
07:28<abraxas>no,no new kernel...i dont know compilate
07:29<lupine_85>it comes precompiled....
07:29<themill>abraxas: are you running lenny?
07:29<abraxas>E: Version '2:2.6.18-4' for 'ipw3945-modules-2.6-686' was not found
07:29<abraxas>stable
07:29<abraxas>the 4.0
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07:29<lupine_85>no, you aren't
07:29<themill>abraxas: how on earth did you get the ipw3945 module from lenny (testing)
07:30<lupine_85> 500 http://ftp.es.debian.org testing/contrib Packages
07:30<themill>abraxas: can you pls pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
07:30<abraxas>themill, someone said that to get it I need a non-free contrib
07:30<jm_>!laugh at abraxas
07:30<dpkg>HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! abraxas just cracks me up!
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07:31<Trollinator>how can i search for all the packets that depend on a certain package?
07:31<themill>abraxas: you need non-free and contrib, but you should get them all from stable (etch) not main from etch and non-free/contrib from testing
07:31<lupine_85>!defenestrate lupine_85
07:31<lupine_85>bah
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07:31<abraxas>http://pastebin.com/m3fb59af9
07:31<jm_>Trollinator: man grep-available dpkg-awk; or read aptitude's reference guide to learn about its search patterns
07:31<themill>! apt-rdepends
07:31<dpkg>i heard apt-rdepends is a program which can show dependencies or reverse dependencies (what depends on the package). It is useful for removing large multi-package applications such as gnome.
07:32<themill>abraxas: replace "testing" with etch
07:32<abraxas>ok
07:32<themill>abraxas: then aptitude update
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07:33<themill>abraxas: then aptitude remove ipw3945-modules-2.6-686
07:33<Trollinator>jm_: thanks.
07:33<themill>abraxas: then follow the original instructions for ipw3945
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07:34<abraxas>ok,removed
07:34<abraxas>updated and removed
07:35<themill>!ipw3945
07:35<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
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07:36<themill>abraxas: so now you can use that aptitude command
07:36<themill>abraxas: ^^
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07:37<abraxas>but it will not install for the kernel 21?
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07:39<abraxas>YESSSSSSS
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07:40<MilkFloat>hi chaps
07:40<themill>abraxas: it will keep your current kernel and pull in the modules that are compatible
07:40<MilkFloat>Just so you lot know
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07:40<MilkFloat>I fixed that iptables problem I had before. Typo. Cheers anyway
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07:40<abraxas>themill, lupine_85 azeem SixF9 gsimmons_ thank u very much,muchas gracias, shokran kteer, toda rava!!!!!!!!!!
07:41<SixF9>abraxas :)
07:41<abraxas>u r great
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07:48<ajcc>Hello, I'm trying to build ffmpeg from source. I've got the source with apt-get, but I can't get the build dep. I'm using stable. I'm trying to build ffmpeg with AAC support
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07:50<themill>abraxas: glad it's all worked out for you
07:51<themill>ajcc: /msg dpkg build-dep
07:51<ajcc>that's what I did, but it couldn't get the dep for me :/
07:51<abraxas>yes themill thank u very much
07:51<ajcc>I'm trying with unstable instead
07:52<abraxas>what I sould add to the "iwconfig eth2 essid "router" to put the WEP pass?
07:53<ajcc>that did work :) probably the very way to much outdated ffmpeg package in stable
07:53<suiside>abraxas: read man iwconfig
07:53<themill>ajcc: all build-deps should still be in stable
07:54<abraxas>yes,sorry
07:54<ajcc>themill: then this must be an exception, the ffmpeg package in stable is a cvs snappy from 2006
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07:54<seanius>ajcc: do you know about christian marillat's debian-multimedia packages ?
07:55<ajcc>seanius: no, what's that?
07:55<ajcc>sound interesting :)
07:55<seanius>ajcc: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/
07:55<themill>abraxas: I find using NetworkManager and KNetworkManager is an easier way of doing wireless these days.
07:56<seanius>that's where i get my mplayer/ffmpeg/32-bit-flash-on-64-bit-machine etc
07:56<abraxas>thnx themill
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08:29<rjent>I wanted to mention that I was making some debian builds yesterday and on the installer I was not sure if when you did not want to configure the package manager why the installer still tries to get updates from security.debian.org . In my case I just would like to have the entries in sources.list then I configure the rest later. Thoughts?
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08:29<rjent>Oh I was using netinstall with testing
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08:31<ajcc>hmm... now ffmpeg support aac, still mocp says there's no codec.
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08:32<ajcc>and I have updated moc-ffmpeg-plugin
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08:33<ajcc>newest moc as well
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08:35<ajcc>I'll just be quitet for a moment
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08:37<juLoq>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4E5PNcXzUQ
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08:40<seanius>ajcc: yes, but monsieur marillat is also a debian developer, and the stuff is of pretty good quality imho
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08:41<sophacles>hi all, how do i find out what version of the nvida kernel driver is provided by the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 package?
08:41<seanius>also, you can get the "definitely non-free and of questionable legality" packaged version of win32codecs
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08:42<gsimmons_>sophacles: Look at the package's version (eg. 1.0.8776+6).
08:44<ajcc>seanius: maybe I'll have better luck getting moc to play my aac's with those packages then
08:45<sophacles>ahhh, thanks gsimmons
08:45<sophacles>another nvidia question: how well do the unstable nvidia packages play with etch?
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08:48<seanius>sophacles: i'm not sure, but there may be issues with nvidia-glx requiring a new version of xorg
08:49<seanius>though maybe you could get away with etch's nvidia-glx and compiling your own modules from unstable's nvidia-kernel-source package if that's the case
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08:50<sophacles>ok, well here is my situation, and maybe someone can reccomend something for me besides unstable... im setting up a new rig, (core2 duo, asus nvidia 8600gt card), and doing a standard etch install, then apt-getting nvidia-kernel binary and nvidia-glx caused gdm to break (as in blank the screen and never come back). so im just trying to figure out the best approach to get this running
08:51<sophacles>using amd64 arch
08:52<witte>sophacles: look in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors
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08:54<sophacles>witte, i cant, i forgot to install sshd on the box before i did this and when video went away, not even a hard boot could restore it. I had to re-install
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08:54<witte>sophacles: does the nv driver work?
08:55<witte>sophacles: as an intermediate solution
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08:55<kop>sophacles : You can use the debian install cd as a rescue disk.
08:56<kop>sophacles : You mount the hard drive and then chroot into it.
08:56<sophacles>that is the one that gets installed and used by default right? if so i get a 'No screens found' error from gdm for that
08:56<kop>sophacles : The only difference then from using your regular system is that you're using the kernel off the cd.
08:56<simon444><juLoq> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4E5PNcXzUQ
08:56<simon444>what is this
08:56<simon444>should I watch it?
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08:56<simon444>oh yeah I just got back
08:57<ajcc>how do I build deb packages from source? couldn't find anything about it at debian's site
08:57<ajcc>reconfigured source that is
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08:58<simon444>ajcc, apt-build iirc
08:59<witte>sophacles: better try new xorg configurations first before booting into them (not setting it default to boot in)
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09:00<ajcc>broken package, that's a first
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09:06<petemc>i use debuild to build packages ive downloaded with apt-get source
09:06<ajcc>hmm, how do I install something that depend on virtual packages?
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09:07<berat>hey
09:07<simon444>ajcc, you install something that provies them'
09:07<simon444>hi berat
09:07<ajcc>I did, but still complains
09:07<seanius>ajcc, without getting into more advanced tools, i'd suggest (1) apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get build-dep packagename (2) make your source changes (3) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
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09:08<berat>i have a problem i try to enter game enemylines3
09:08<ajcc>thank's I'll try that
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09:08<berat>but problem is "couldnt find matching GLX"
09:08<seanius>sophacles: you can boot into single-user wihtout it blackscreening right?
09:08<berat>how can i solve this problem
09:08<kop>When an interface has multiple IPs (via alias(es)), is there a way to control which IP is used for the local end of connections?
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09:09<berat>hmmsomeone answer me
09:09<petemc>kop: depends on the app
09:09<Ming>lol
09:10<berat>SDL setvideo Mode error 88*600 couldnt find matching GLX
09:10<berat>what must i do
09:10<kop>petemc : I'd like some global control. The kernel seems to be defaulting to using the alias address, which is the opposite of what I want.
09:10<berat>lots of games gives this error
09:10<petemc>kop: you're out of luck
09:11<petemc>to my knowledge, anyway
09:11<kop>petemc : Regardless, unless there's a documented preference I can't just rely on the kernel happening to use the right address. :-(
09:11<seanius>berat: do you have a glx extension (and 3d driver) loaded?
09:11<seanius>kop: does route imply using that alias by default for outgonig connections?
09:12<kop>seanius : That's a good thought. Route might affect which "interface" is used.
09:12<berat>ose
09:12<berat>seanius,
09:12<berat>i dont know
09:13<berat>how can i get this info ?
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09:14<ajcc>I feel like I need to learn more about apt. Everything seems to be building fine, my configure tags got into the building process :)
09:15<seanius>berat: looking in your xserver logs, reading the output of xdpyinfo
09:16<seanius>if you're using an nvidia or ati card i'd recommend a google search for "debian" and "nvidia" or simialr
09:16<berat>i am using intel 82852 82855 chipset
09:17<berat>where is xdpyinfo
09:17<berat>?
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09:19<Zathras>Hi. On Debian Etch. How do I stop MySQL from lofgging all queries?
09:19<Zathras>it seems to be the defautl setting now. But I do not have unlimited diskspace....
09:20<stew>Zathras: comment out the 'log' directive in /etc/mysql/my.cnf ; no, it is not the default setting
09:20<seanius>Zathras: it's not the default setting
09:20<berat>?
09:20<stew>berat: /msg dpkg search
09:21<twb>berat: xdpyinfo: /usr/bin/xdpyinfo /usr/X11R6/bin/xdpyinfo /usr/bin/X11/xdpyinfo /usr/share/man/man1/xdpyinfo.1.gz
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09:23<yangsx>berat: installed with xbase-clients
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09:23<berat>anan
09:23<berat>xbase clients installed
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09:26<kop>seanius : I suspect the "Metric" setting of ifconfig might do the trick, but it does not seem to be documented.
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09:28<C>.
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09:29<lemurek>is it possible to "forward" sound thru vncserver on debian ?
09:29<twb>VNC does not include a remote audio protocol.
09:29<C>quick question - how do i setup my server so that instead of ssh'ing to the IP address i can ssh to a name i give it?
09:29<twb>So... no.
09:29<lemurek>twb: thanx
09:29<twb>I believe there is such a system called "NAS", but I know nothing of it.
09:30<stew>C: man 5 hosts
09:30<lemurek>C: register domain :)
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09:30<seanius>and note that it's not something you'd do on your server, but via dns or in teh hosts file on a client
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09:30<kop>C: or: man named
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09:31<C>its all a local network - no outside connections etc. does that make a difference?
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09:32<jguthrie>Does anyone know why up-arrow no longer works to cycle through my history in a gnome-terminal session? It seems to still work just fine from the console?
09:33<formorer>bugfix for libvte is in incoming
09:33<jguthrie>Oh, okay. Wait a day or so, then.
09:33<lukasm> warning: dict_nis_init: NIS domain name not set - NIS lookups disabled < how do i get rid of this message ? no nis entry in postfix main.cf but, postconf show an nis entry. what to do ?
09:33<kop>C: Not really. If you want everybody on the lan to be able to use the name, then you either modify everybody's /etc/hosts which is a pain, or use DNS.
09:33<Zathras>stew: that is commented out by default. I had this problem on another server too sometime in the past. The solutions was to addapt some line about logging. But now all looks fine
09:33<formorer>jguthrie: http://incoming.debian.org/libvte9_0.16.6-3_i386.deb
09:33<twb>Or some other distributed host table, like NIS or LDAP.
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09:34<ajcc>odd...
09:34<twb>lukasm: are you using NIS? Is the host a NIS client, server, or slave server?
09:34<jguthrie>formorer: tnx
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09:36<lukasm>twb : no i'm not using nis. its a single server. i've been told thats no problem, but logfiles get spammed with that nis-lookup entry
09:37<twb>lukasm: is the `nis' package installed?
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09:38<Zathras>still my problems is there
09:38<Aleric>Does anyone here have a good, working webcam?
09:38<twb>I don't think there is such a thing
09:38<Aleric>I already bought three webcams now, and none works under linux.
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09:39<twb>Especially if you're going to use it to take pictures of yourself. >shudder<
09:39<jguthrie>Aleric: I bought the cheapest one I could find, and it works okay.
09:39<seanius>Zathras: did you rsetart mysql after making the chang?
09:39<Aleric>jguthrie: Which one do you have?
09:39[~]seanius can't type today
09:39<seanius>i have a pwc based webcam, which works just fine but the image quality is pretty crappy
09:40<jguthrie>It's an off-brand that I've never heard of. It uses the spca5xx driver.
09:40<Zathras>seanius, on this particular server I have not changed a thing yet
09:40<lukasm>twb : -> sorry, its no server. its only a single web/mail server. nis is not installed
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09:40<Aleric>seanius: Wasn't the pwc kernel module removed from the kernel a few years back?
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09:40<jguthrie>Like I said, it was the cheapest one I could find. That way, if it didn't work, I was only out the $15.
09:40<twb>lukasm: does nsswitch.conf have anything funny in it?
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09:41<seanius>Aleric: yes, and then it was reverse-engineered and shown that the reason why they kept the driver closed source was that the hardware is crap
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09:41<twb>Big surprise
09:41<Aleric>jguthrie: Well, I have two for the spca5xx driver - one wasn't supported at all, and the other gives VERY dark, low res, blueish bad image.
09:41<seanius>but everything you need (including what used to be split into the pwcx blob) is now in the mainline kernel
09:41<jguthrie>Yes, that sounds like the cam I have.
09:41<Aleric>seanius!!!
09:42<twb>aleric!!!
09:42<twb>By your powers combined...
09:42<lukasm>twb: http://paste.debian.net/33391
09:42<Aleric>seanius: Please tell me which kernel modules I need to get that working :)
09:42[~]Aleric runs to the closet to get his pwc
09:42<jguthrie>There's a rumor that my Fuji FinePix S5500 can be made to work as a webcam, but I haven't seriously looked into it.
09:42<twb>lukasm: that looks fine
09:43<seanius>iirc it just worked when i plugged it in, though i couldn't tell you that for sure until i get home
09:43<twb>lukasm: try #postfix on freenode if this issue is ONLY happening to postfix
09:43<Aleric>seanius: What is a good application to test it?
09:43<Aleric>Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0471:0311 Philips PCVC740K ToUcam Pro [pwc]
09:43<Aleric>:)
09:43<twb>I'd start by applying the S combinator
09:43<lukasm>good idea.. thx twb
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09:44<Aleric>It works!!!
09:44<seanius>Aleric: maybe xawtv, or ekiga
09:44<Aleric>Damn - if I had known that :/
09:45<Aleric>After that module was removed - I had given up on that cam :/
09:45<seanius>Aleric: for quite some time there was a pwc-source package in debian, which i sponsored
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09:45<seanius>but since 2.6.18 or so it's in by default
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09:50<Aleric>seanius: I have patched my kernel for a while to get the support in, but then came udev - after which I failed to compile my own kernel (I still had fedora then).
09:50<Aleric>And since, I haven't been using this cam anymore.
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09:53<kop>The "ip route" command 'src' setting seems to be what I want to control the source IP used when there's an alias on the interface. Anybody have any quick tips on how to do this?
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09:55<Aleric>My first pic in a long long time: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/snapshot-1185375422.jpeg
09:55<Aleric>:)
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09:56<kop>And anybody know the right place to put stuff to control this at boot? There's always rc.local, but is there something debian-esque in /etc/network/ or something? I'd guess the post-up in /etc/network/interfaces would be the right place?
09:56<streuner>"surrounded" by LCD's :-)
09:56<Aleric>streuner: Yeah :*)
09:57<twb>kop: surely you want to set it up when the interface is raised, rather than at boot
09:57<Aleric>You can't see that, but it's all around - 360 degrees ;)
09:57<Aleric>heheh
09:57<Aleric>j/
09:57<kop>twb: Right. (But then I only raise it at boot. :)
09:57<Aleric>j/k
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09:58<ranix>uxterm is the only good X terminal emulator, huh?
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09:59<ranix>rxvt is almost as good, eterm and aterm fail at having unicode support
09:59<ranix>gnome-terminal is gay
09:59<Aleric>What's wrong with gnome-terminal?
09:59<Aleric>I really like it
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10:00<ranix>I think it's ugly
10:00<ranix>and slow to open compared to xterm
10:00<Aleric>What is ugly about it?
10:00<Aleric>Surely not the font: you can change that :p
10:00<hate29>Hi, when I start drip it gives me this error: libdvdcss is not installed, most dvd disks wont be readable!
10:00<hate29>To get this working, install libdvdcss, recompile libdvdread
10:00<hate29>and recompile drip.
10:00<Aleric>Lemme make a screenshot ...
10:01<Aleric>ls
10:01<Aleric>oops
10:02<twb>Grr, tramp is playing silly buggers
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10:02<twb>kop: look at the pre-up and post-down options in interfaces(5)
10:02<Aleric>The screenshot is two monitors... 2.3 MB : http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/Screenshot.png
10:02<Aleric>Do you think those xterms are ugly?
10:03<twb>hate29: so what's the problem?
10:03<gsimmons_>!tell hate29 -about libdvdcss
10:04<kop>twb: That's what I'm thinking. But what I really need is to understand enough of the "ip" command to know what to put there. !)
10:04<hate29>twb: There's no libdvdcss, only libdvdcss2
10:04<Aleric>ranix?
10:05<ranix>they're not particularly ugly but I prefer a plain xterm myself
10:05<ranix>Do you play Go?
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10:06<twb>Oware!
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10:06<Aleric>ranix: Hardly, but I enjoyed the anime nevertheless, a LOT. Though, actually - I first called my new box Hikaru and only then started to watch the anime.
10:06<ranix>you should play Go.
10:06<lupine_85>Hey, I have a USB ADSL modem connected using the eciadsl driver, and I'd like to get synchronisation stats, etc, from it. Anyone know how?
10:07<rjent>I have a setup where I have less than a 2000 folders and less than 1000 files in each folder. File size is less than 100k. I am doing constant writing and periodic reads. What filesystem is the best for what I am doing?
10:07<Aleric>I started to play online go when watching the anime (who doesn't ;), but I sucked :p. I already play chess, and I rather continue putting time into getting better at that.
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10:08<twb>rjent: ext3
10:08<lupine_85>rjent: ext3 with lots of inodes?
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10:08<rjent>twb: ok but I was checking since one person told me I should use reiserfs
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10:09<Aleric>ranix: Now guess what I call my linux boxes :p (the names you can see are: Hikaru, ansset and taryn)
10:09<rjent>lupine_85: I do not understand the inodes, do I need to do something extra with I make the fs?
10:09<lupine_85>when you format it, you pass an option to fsck and it reduces the block sizwe
10:09<lupine_85>size*
10:09<lupine_85>the debian installer prompts you about it
10:10<twb>rjent: ignore him
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10:10<seanius>rjent: you don't really need to worry about inode counts, almost never
10:10<lupine_85>erm, mkfs
10:10<jusae>hi
10:10<twb>rjent: unless you're prepared to profile your application set against both ext3 and reiserfs, it's easiest and safest to just go with ext3
10:11<rjent>twb: ok well ext3 it is then. How far off is ext4?
10:11<twb>Who cares?
10:11<seanius>it'll probably beat perl 6 anyway
10:11<twb>ext4 is primarily useful, I suspect, for doing A/V stuff
10:11<lupine_85>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
10:11<jusae>quick question: I want to host multiple websites, do I need a zone file for each domain or can I my primary dns resolve for different www's?
10:12<lupine_85>Exabytes, pah :p
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10:12<jusae>without a zone file for example domain
10:12<jusae>if I'm making sense
10:13<lupine_85>jusae: depends on the websites. If they're subdomains of a particular domain, you only need one zone file. If they're different domains, you need more than one zone file
10:13<rjent>twb: is there any special mount params for performance on ext3?
10:13<twb>rjent: do you need them?
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10:13<lupine_85>(eg bob.home.com and nick.home.com could be in the same zone file; bob.home.com and bob.otherhouse.com would need different zone files)
10:14<koollman>rjent: mostly noatime , and you can have fun with journaling mode if you really want to (data=...)
10:14<twb>Bleh, .com
10:14<jusae>lupine: i thought I could get away with breaking the laws of arp
10:14<jusae>:)
10:14<twb>Nobody uses .com anymore
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10:14<jusae>why no .com?
10:15<JasonS>heh .com all over teh place and still being used
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10:16<lupine_85>well, if you own the .com DNS nameserver then you can do it all in one zonefile ;)
10:16<jusae>bleh, if i want www.debianlinuxbyme.org and www.homecooking.org and www.distrubedsystemsforadvancedcomputergraphics.com, I'll need 3 different zones files, but they can point to the same server?
10:16<lupine_85>yes
10:17<ranix>I prefer .net
10:17<lupine_85>I prefer .me.uk
10:17<jusae>lupine: how would i use the same zone file, cos its my dns server I'm playing with
10:17<lupine_85>you wouldn'y
10:17<lupine_85>^Ht
10:17<ranix>.xx.uk is ok with me, I like that too
10:17<ranix>I'm not a fan of .xx.de
10:18<lupine_85>what the aversion to multiple zone files?
10:18<lupine_85>why*
10:18<ajcc>Yay! AAC support in moc, sweet :) Thanks for the help!
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10:18<jusae>no aversion, just trying to get back to where I was and cos I work on debian kernel and dated jennifer from GNU cambridge
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10:19<jusae>the fit blonde with da big bottom
10:19<lupine_85>oO
10:19<ranix>aah, I see you're an ass man
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10:19<lupine_85>just use multiple zone files
10:19<jusae>:), kinda
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10:20<jusae>see takes the train and I see sometimes, going back home
10:20<ranix>public transportation is great
10:20<twb>You must take the A train
10:20<twb>To get to Sugar Hill way up in Harlem
10:20<lupine_85>...fascinating
10:20<ranix>I gotta move to a real city where I don't have to pay out the nose for a car
10:20<jusae>I don't think her names even jennifer, can't remember, it was like 10 years ago
10:20<kop>Ok. Here's what I've found. When I make an alias on an interface (on the same network), I get _two_ default routes in the routing table. "ip route show" shows one with a "src" of the alias address. That seems to be the route that's always used, because all my outbound connections have the alias IP for a source address. I'm using etch. How come I've _two_ routes. Can I safely "ip route delete" the second in /etc/network/interfaces via post-up?
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10:21<kop>If I "ip route delete" on the command line after boot then things work fine and the source address is that of eth0, not eth0:0.
10:21<twb>I normally use route(8); I'm not familiar with ip(8)
10:21<rjent>twb: well I just want it fast as possible
10:21<kop>twb : Me too.
10:22<twb>rjent: no you don't.
10:22<twb>rjent: you're not using SCSI and fibre channel, for example
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10:22<twb>rjent: there's obviously a trade-off between pissing away your life making this as fast as possible, and merely making it adequately fast.
10:23<rjent>koolman: yes on the noatime and data=writeback give better performance?
10:23<ranix>twb just invoked the law of dinimishing returns on your ass, sucker
10:23<twb>rjent: I'm advocating you try the defaults, and IF they aren't adequate spend time optimizing it.
10:23<jusae>difference between average and above average, maybe
10:23<ranix>what'choo got to say about that
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10:24<ryanakca>Umm. Does anybody know how I could get in touch with one of the eGroupWare maintainers on IRC? If not, I'll just email him/them
10:24<rjent>twb: ok I will try the defaults.
10:24<jusae>if u run a timer, maybe you can test to see if you get a speed increase
10:25<twb>If I'd listened to what my momma said, I'd be at home today. Being so young and foolish, Lord, I let a gambler lead me astray.
10:25<jusae>sync using ntp and go from there
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10:26<jusae>i'm still new to, but how many router's do you have?
10:26<twb>*too
10:27<twb>If you're talking to kop, he has one (presumably) interface, and it has multiple entries in the route table.
10:27<jusae>how does that work?
10:27<ranix>that
10:27<jusae>1 ip and 1 route
10:27<ranix>would be kind of an involved response, jusae
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10:28<ranix>It would probably take me a tech document to respond to the question "How does routing work with multiple paths for the same destination"
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10:29<jusae>i need to log this stuff
10:29<ranix>you can just assume one is usually irrelevant and go from there
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10:30<ranix>I'm too lazy to figure out how to log with bitchx
10:30<ranix>:(
10:30<jusae>take from the packets
10:30<ranix>zoomj
10:30<jusae>irc packets are plain text and structured well
10:31<ranix>that would be retarded when there is a command line switch to do it
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10:31<ranix>I just don
10:31<ranix>meh I will stop talking
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10:31<duncan>names
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10:32<jusae>when i did this last time, the gateway logged everything
10:32<ranix>other people use my gateway for irc
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10:32<jusae>and my grid, brute force the ssl stuff
10:33<jusae>i used pgp to encrypted the packets, shifted left, check for a pattern, shifted left again
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10:34<jusae>the thing work really will, but i had a 5 spark 7's at the time and my own workshop
10:34<jusae>*well
10:34<alex_>need more processing power?
10:35<jusae>i got 30 pc's waiting for me to figure out kernelin and routin
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10:35<alex_>you wanting to cluster them up?
10:35<jusae>combined processing power of about 200 gflops
10:35<alex_>so they act as one big pc?
10:35<jusae>yep
10:35<alex_>nice
10:35<ranix>your nation's power grid hates you
10:35<alex_>got any links on how to do that?
10:35<alex_>hahahahha
10:36<jusae>solar power
10:36<jusae>but the cells are like 2g's
10:36<jusae>inverters cos loads
10:36<ranix>yeah uh-huh you're going to run a beowulf on solar power
10:36<ranix>and I run my furnace on geothermal
10:37<ranix>also I use my penis as a pogo stick
10:37<alex_>:)
10:37<jusae>i could use hydrogen
10:37<Eulex>solar power? your cluster would go down at night.
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10:38<alex_>he has a mirror in space, to ensure it doesnt
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10:38<jusae>plus if u use 1 power unit to power 2 boards
10:38<alex_>......... lol
10:38<alex_>this is awesome
10:38<ranix>he's covered the bright side of Venus with solar panels and uses quantum mechanics to beam the power to his ipod
10:38<jusae>sounds about right
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10:39<jusae>i think i'll opt for car batteries
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10:39<jusae>inbetween the inverters
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10:39<jusae>plus the light's sh*tty in this part of the world
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10:40<ranix>perhaps you should harness the power of lightning
10:40<ranix>1.21 jiggawatts would be yours to command
10:40<ranix>you could store it in a car battery
10:40<jusae>perpetual energy using lightening and solar panels
10:41<ranix>because the sun produces perpetual energy amirite
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10:42<jusae>i did the research last time, the batteries and solar panels would be enough to power 12 or so 300 watt power units
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10:42<ranix>perhaps you should publish your findings on wikipedia
10:42<jusae>yes
10:43<jusae>but their more interested in general, rather then details, most of it went to a solar company in the UK
10:43<jusae>2g's for my findings
10:44<jusae>but they included the power consumption of pentium boards, once u ground some of the interfaces you don't need
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10:45<jusae>i really need to get back to configuration, once this is running well, need to sort the mail server out
10:45<jusae>then the fun starts, dev machine and code pickin
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10:50<jusae>going back to my zone file, the zone file for each domain will only contain the www a record
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10:51<jusae>should it contain anything else?
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10:54<seanius>jusae: if your domains will have email you'll need mx records
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10:54<jusae>its just for virtual hostin
10:54<ranix>you should have an mx record even if you don't have email
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10:55<jusae>even if it points to nothing?
10:56<ranix>point it to a spamtrap
10:56<kop>Ok. The right way to do it is set the metric on the interface via
10:57<kop>oops /etc/network/interfaces.
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10:58<kop>This changes the metric of the route, which in turn allows the default route that's used to be associated with the eth0, not the eth0:0, interface and the default route's "src" parameter no longer changes the source address of all outbound IP connections.
10:59<kop>This only matters if your alias IP address is on the same network as the interface's primary IP address.
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10:59<jusae>okay, I added a db.test.com, included it in the named.conf
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11:00<jusae>and it works
11:00<jusae>why do i feel like there should be more?
11:00<ranix>perhaps you should harness the power of lightning
11:01<jusae>lol
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11:02<jusae>dude, if i could, i would, but right now, i'm trying to get my network configured, then i check for holes
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11:03<jusae>each service is on a different machine, before testing the amount of resources they need and then going onto what kops doing
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11:03<duncan>channels #sex
11:03<duncan>haha
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11:04<jusae>as soon as this goes live, i expect lots of attacks
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11:04<jusae>do you guys use your ISP ns or go straight to one of the root ns servers?
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11:05<klando>isp
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11:05<jusae>static or dynamic IP?
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11:06<jusae>cos i'm pretty sure i can get web hostin workin off dynamic, seeing as the records are updated every 24 hours
11:06<klando>what matter's ?
11:06[~]klando didn't follow the discussion
11:07<jusae>klando: was askin if u have a dynamic or static IP?
11:09<klando>use both
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11:16<alberto>hola
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11:18<oleth>hello. Can I ask question regarding X here?
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11:19<JasonS>!ask
11:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
11:20<oleth>I have just installed debian testing on hp pavillion 9313 with vista dual boot. Everything is ok but the X, which doesn't start... I don't know where to begin and how to get the error outpout...
11:20<jusae>syslog
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11:20<jusae>use the command: tail /var/log/syslog
11:20<jusae>prolly the graphics drivers
11:21<Ten>I have a problem with _Termites_;
11:21[~]Ten gets back to doing stuff.
11:21<jusae>checks their logs
11:21<jusae>u can tell alot from a persons logs
11:21<jusae>lol
11:22<seanius>oleth: also Xorg.log
11:22<jusae>thxs sean, i'm at the commandline
11:23<oleth>jusae: syslog has only restart and cron.daily terminated
11:23<jusae>use command: tail /var/log/Xorg.log
11:24<jusae>x booted once and then stop on my rm machine, but on of the pavillons, an old p4 2gig, had no problems
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11:25<jusae>*no the pavilon
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11:25<Supaplex>what's the boot cmdline to aquire ip autoconfig?
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11:25<oleth>jusae: the first entry is about /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nv_drv_so
11:26<oleth>jusae: no the pavillion?
11:26<jusae>Supaplex: auto eth0
11:26<jusae>Supaplex: ifconfig auto eth0
11:27<Supaplex>for nfsroot :)
11:27<jusae>oleth: I'm old skool commandliner, I don't have x on any of the linux boxs i have
11:27<Supaplex>I only have 16mb /boot :P
11:27<jusae>not sure what nfsroot is
11:28<Supaplex>my / is on an nfs server
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11:28<seanius>oleth: what's the output of grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
11:28[~]Supaplex reads Documentation/nfsroot.txt
11:28<jusae>command to acquire an IP from the DHCP server or up the nix?
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11:29<Supaplex>!nfsroot
11:29<jusae>or to get the current IP addy
11:29<Supaplex>!netboot
11:29<dpkg>from memory, netboot is put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS (static, not module) in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt
11:29<Supaplex>yes, I've done it before
11:29<oleth>jusae: :-)
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11:29<oleth>seanius: kbd mouse synaptics nv
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11:30<Supaplex>root=/dev/nfs humm
11:30<oleth>seanius: guess it has to do with nv?
11:30<seanius>oleth: you can try replacing nv with vesa as a temporary fix
11:31<seanius>it means possibly limited resolution and no 2d/3d acceleration tho
11:31<Metalqga>hey seanius
11:32<seanius>otherwise youmight need to mess with varoius refresh rate / modeline /resolution settings etc to get nv working, or look into the binary nvidia drivers if your card is supported
11:32<Metalqga>oh again graphics drivers....
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11:33<jusae>okay, email servers, is exim and fetchmail a good idea? or should i be lookin else where?
11:34<antgel>jusae: depends
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11:34<jusae>i just want something basic, to start off with
11:35<oleth>seanius: yep you're right. X works "stretched"... going to check that :-) thanks
11:35<antgel>jusae: great!
11:35<oleth>seanius: PS the card is go 7600
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11:37<jusae>antgel: your suggestion would be?
11:38<debiantion>do you mind if i say "!say "?
11:38<seanius>Metalqga: yeah i think that's a pretty frequent problem. maybe even the dpkg bot knows something about it
11:38<antgel>jusae: research all the possibilities and decide what's best for you. if you want something basic, then i'm sure that anything will do the job
11:38<debiantion>do you mind if i say "!say "?
11:39<JasonS>debiantion: what are you talking about?
11:39<seanius>oleth: oh, so then you probably want the nvidia binary drivers then, if you want all the shiny bells and whistles
11:39<jusae>do i need fetchmail to access external email, without fetchmail?
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11:39<jusae>btw, really appericate discussing this with people
11:40<stew>debiantion: if you want to play with the bots, do it in #debian-bots, not here
11:40<simon888>lol
11:40<debiantion>stew, ok, thanks
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11:45<Metalqga> 10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail should i be worried?
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11:45<Supaplex>not if you have up-to-date backups on some other media
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11:46<SixF9>what could influence a gnome-terminal so the arrow key does not scroll through the command history anymore?
11:46<fxiny>hmmm : new ati prop 8.39.4 version
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11:46<Metalqga>this smart thing is so murky
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11:46<Metalqga>yes fxiny the one I told you refuses to run with anyother than 75hz refresh rate
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11:48<fxiny>Metalqga: that version ? i read a date : July 23, 2007
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11:50<Metalqga>I tried both versions
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11:51<fxiny>right . ati will stay in my "custard evil vendors list"
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11:51<fxiny>yahhhh custard !
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11:52<Metalqga>their windows drivers suck too, they can solder chips but can't code at all
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11:52<fxiny>while intevil goes up open sourcing another bit
11:53<fxiny>while if until i get my new box };\n"
11:53<Metalqga>i hope amd follows them
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11:54<kdean06>I'm using Kopete 0.12.5 from Lenny. When I attempt to link to my site, which is a .info domain on MSN I get "The following message has not been sent correctly  (Connection closed): ", other tlds, such as .museum, are parsed properly. Has anyone else experienced this bug?
11:54<Metalqga>dell puts some pressure too
11:54<fxiny>maybe amd thinks ati is an elephant :P
11:55<kdean06>I see nothing in the BTS, and nothing on Google. The upstream Kopete bugzilla also lists no open bugs.
11:55<Metalqga>we hate msn ;D
11:55<kdean06>I do to.
11:55<fxiny>dell put pressure on directors bonuses : i wasn't born yesterday :P
11:55<kdean06>But it's hard convincing the rest of the world to use Jabber when it doesn't come pre-installed on their Boxen of Pain.
11:56<fxiny>no ones like vista so they must do something
11:56<kdean06>fxiny, My wife's IT head is a HUGE fan of Vista. :(
11:56<kdean06>I have no faith in his ability as a technical administrator, but because of that my wife is stuck on Vista.
11:56<Metalqga>you pay the bills, format her hdd ;D
11:56<kdean06>She runs Lenny at home. :)
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11:57<Metalqga>Please wait 17 minutes for test to complete.
11:58<fxiny>kdean06: i have no words for that kind of "head" ;)
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11:59[~]Supaplex grumbles over dhcpd shared-networks directive
12:00<Metalqga>athcool is so great, it should be installed as soon the the os detects a athlon cpu
12:00<kop>Is there some way to set ulimits for the deamons started in the sysV startup scripts? I'm interested in memory consumption.
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12:00<jusae>okay, just so i got this clear, with exim4, i have to add users to email server, for every person with an email address
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12:01<jusae>and they connect to the email server using their linux username and password
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12:01<jusae>!exim4
12:01<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/
12:01<fxiny>old factoid > "exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge"
12:02<fxiny>dpkg: you don't rules tonight
12:02<fxiny>ule*
12:02<Metalqga>we got it
12:02[~]fxiny double checks
12:02<fxiny>dpkg rulez
12:02<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
12:02<fxiny>nahhhhhh
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12:03<jusae>thats a correct assumption on my part right, adduser command with ever email entry
12:04<jusae>with the correct file permissions and adding to the correct group
12:04<kop>jusae : There are other options. You can put the users in a LDAP database, or even mysql if that floats your boat.
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12:05<kop>jusae : LDAP is good for authentication when you don't want users to have Unix accounts or want some other sort of central authentication database.
12:06<kop>jusae : The easist way is to give everybody unix accounts. But that's not necessarly the best way. YMMV.
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12:06<kop>jusae : FWIW, I prefer the postfix mta...
12:06<jusae>kop, LDAP sounds prefect, but i'm pretty sure i'm not even remotely at that stage
12:07<kop>jusae : One step at a time. The first step is to chose a MTA, exim4, postfix, sendmail, etc. Because once you start to learn one you won't want to switch later.
12:07<jusae>until i get to the coding stage, I'm pretty much at the mersey of whatever people hand out
12:08<jusae>I have exim4 kinda of workin
12:08<lupine_85>postfix is easier to configure, exim is apparently "technically" better
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12:09<lupine_85>but go with whatever you're most comfortable with
12:09[~]lupine_85 has postfix + courier + postgrey interfacing with mysql
12:09<kop>lupine_85 : "technically" as in rfc-compliant or what?
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12:09<kop>lupine_85 : I prefer sqlgrey, but there's no debian package. :(
12:09<lupine_85>faster, more capable, etc. In a general-vines term
12:09<lupine_85>erm, general-vibes sort of way
12:10[~]lupine_85 is pretty n00bish when it comes to mail configs, anyway
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12:10<kop>lupine_85 : Ah. I've found postfix can do _anything_. Dunno about performance. It scales fine to 10's of thousands, which is enough for me.
12:11<jusae>how about bugs?
12:11<lupine_85>yeah, me too ;)
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12:11<jusae>DoS only or serious sercurity holes?
12:11<kop>jusae : Tradionally, sendmail has bugs. Postfix has a rep for being most secure.
12:11<formorer>kop: its faster than qmail
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12:12<lontra>anyone familiar with splashy know how i can fix this? Splashy ERROR: Couldn't splashy_start_splashy(). Error -2
12:12<fxiny>from a user point of view i believe the main exim problem is lack of well written p2p books . postfix is somehow better but is more popular cause is easy to find some "beer" books
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12:13<fxiny>exim docs sucks
12:14<kop>I've a friend who configured postfix to filter through a spam product licensed for "one machine". He uses it to filter for 1000s of users. He called the company and technically is in license compliance. :)
12:15<lupine_85>hehehe
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12:16<kop>lupine_85 : They wanted big bucks for the enterprise version too.
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12:18<kop>What channel can I ask on to find a bootable cd distro with pre-installed content management? (joomla, drupal, etc?)
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12:25<simon444>hi
12:25<simon444> some moron just comes up to my computer and starts using it
12:25<simon444> they messed with my files
12:25<simon444>I come back with IRC closed, my VM shut down, and desktop picture changed
12:25<simon444> that guy is such a moron
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12:26<fxiny>hahahah
12:26<Metalqga>simon was drunk yesterday
12:26<Metalqga>what about today?
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12:27<fxiny>Metalqga: that moron messed up his finest french liqueur bottle ?
12:27<fxiny>simon444: :)
12:27<Metalqga>and swiss cheese
12:27<simon444> fuck he used my slashdot account
12:27<simon444> for trolling
12:27<simon444>I never had any comments modded down or troll
12:27<Metalqga>it's pure luck he didnt log into this room and start chattering junk
12:28<SixF9>simon444: what do you learn from that? yes, lock the screen when you leave the PC
12:28<simon444>SHIT HE FUCKING LOGGED INTO MY GMAIL ACCOUNT
12:28<fxiny>hahahahah
12:28<stew>simon444: please don't use caps
12:28<Metalqga>all the pr0n
12:28<Metalqga>oh that sux
12:28<alvin_lee>Hi everybody. I put in some /etc/profile and ~/.bashrc a line with export LANG=pt-BR.UTF-8 but wdm and wmaker don't use used utf-8 at portuguese brazilian language. I believe that LANG is set after wdm start. Anybody can helpme?
12:29<witte>alvin_lee: use locales for that
12:29<alvin_lee>At a terminal emulator, when i do echo $LANG, it returns pt-BR.UTF-8
12:29<antgel>alvin_lee: i recall a bug in wdm related to locales. did you check the BTS?
12:30<alvin_lee>BTS?
12:30<witte>!bts
12:30<dpkg>bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
12:30<alvin_lee>humm.. I will see
12:30<alvin_lee>thanks witte :)
12:30<fxiny>bloody hell : xmms2 refuses to play dig* import !
12:30<alvin_lee>and antgel
12:30<antgel>!btssmite alvin_lee
12:30[~]dpkg beats alvin_lee around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if alvin_lee is running Unstable
12:30<antgel>heh
12:31<antgel>it's funny when you haven't seen it for a year or so
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12:35<alvin_lee>antgel: I am using stable version...
12:35<alvin_lee>that i updated from woody to sarge to etch :)
12:35<antgel>so you don't get the chainsaw :)
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12:38<fxiny>hard skinned , you need a flamethrower :P
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12:46<jusae>how do i list the users added to a given server if i'm logged on as root
12:46<jusae>even if there not logged on, as in added users
12:47<petemc_>you could look in /home/ , tho thats assuming they have home directories there..
12:48<jusae>is there an argv for the USERS command?
12:48<jusae>!users
12:48<dpkg>i heard users is Mithrandi
12:48<jusae>sorry, i'm using the ! command wrong
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12:53<Supaplex>jusae: cat /etc/passwd
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12:54<jusae>thxs
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12:55<jusae>whats the third and fourth values mean? user1:x:1000:1000:user,,,/home/user1
12:55<jusae>whats the 1000 bit?
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12:57<Supaplex>man passwd
12:57<witte>jusae: uid and gid
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12:57<stew>jusae: 'man 5 passwd' not just 'man passwd'
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12:58<fxiny>awk can do it . users are 1000+
12:58<Supaplex>yea I was thinking man 5. my bad. :)
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12:59<jusae>cool
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12:59<jusae>need to look closer at the uid and gid
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13:00[~]jusae gets on his knees and prays to god that the network will be configured correctly and he can move over to the programming side of things
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13:00<TimbrWolf>How can I connect two Debian machines with a cross over cable to share files?
13:00<teh_God>your prayer is in a queue. Please hold.
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13:00<fxiny>hahahaah
13:00<jusae>funny
13:00<lupine>TimbrWolf: just plug the two machines together
13:00<Metalqga>twice haha
13:01<TimbrWolf>Tried that
13:01<jusae>same domain kinda thing
13:01<lupine>then configure them to have IP addresses in the same subnet (say, 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2)
13:01<lupine>(netmask for that would be 255.0.0.0.)
13:01<jusae>file: /etc/network/interface
13:01<lupine>sftp or sshfs to share files ftw
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13:02<TimbrWolf>thanks
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13:02<jusae>make sure the cable isn't lose, i almost reconfigured the dns cos of that
13:02<jusae>unreachable host
13:02<jusae>lol
13:02<lupine>I spent an hour once, only to realise that the cable wasn't a crossover one
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13:02<Metalqga>the dirtiest trick is a pin in the cable
13:03<lupine>which isn't an issue as long as the NIC can autosense
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13:03<TimbrWolf>thanks all, I'll try again
13:03<jusae>the .muttrc file should be in each users home directory, right?
13:04<lupine>mutt looks for per-user defaults in ~/.muttrc, yes
13:06<jusae>most mutt examples use mbox, i use Maildir
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13:06<lupine>I use Maildir for stuff too
13:07<lupine>it's just... more sensible
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13:07<locsmif>Hi, does anybody know if there is a page on debian.org or elsewhere, displaying statistics about the various licenses used in the Debian repository?
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13:08<tarzeau>locsmif: good idea, i could do that
13:08<lupine>hmm. Due to an extreme lack of anything else to do, I'm going to get back to migrating my serv0r to etch. expect broken-ness shortly :D
13:08<tarzeau>locsmif: freshmeat.net has a license breakdown statistic
13:09<locsmif>I'd like to keep up with the number of GPLv3 licensed packages in the repo. I have scripted something to do this on my own system, but this ofcourse doesn't reflect the status in Debian as a whole
13:09<locsmif>hi tarzeau, cool
13:09<tarzeau>locsmif: you want a summary report of all debian/copyright files right?
13:09<locsmif>tarzeau, indeed
13:10<tarzeau>locsmif: do you know about http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ ?
13:10<locsmif>And it's difficult when you consider the fact that some packages may have slightly modified licenses, or put the words in different places
13:10<tarzeau>locsmif: of only main, i suppose?
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13:10<tarzeau>locsmif: no, i think it can be handled, but do you want to count dual licensed software each individually or as one dual license (of license a and b)?
13:10<locsmif>tarzeau, nope, didn't know that, tarzeau, well, contrib could also be a candidate, but i do mean only DFSG-compatible licenses
13:10<tarzeau>locsmif: so that'd be main only
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13:11<locsmif>ok
13:11<locsmif>tarzeau, hmm, difficult, i guess dual licensed should be a count++ for each license
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13:11<lupine>better would be a seperate category
13:12<lupine>although I guess "gplv2 or later" could be considered dual-licensed?
13:12<lupine>I'm a biologist. I know statistics...
13:12<lupine>...suck
13:12<lupine>;)
13:13<locsmif>lupine, well, suppose a package enters Debian that is dual licensed, but also introduces a license never seen before (such as GPLv3) into the repo, it would be interesting to see that reflected in the statistics
13:13<locsmif>But in theory i suppose you could control the output layout via a web interface
13:14<tarzeau>lupine: i disagree
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13:14<lupine>if you record "MIT or gplv3 dual-licensed", say, as it's own category rather than ++'ing MIT & dual-licensed, you lose information
13:14<tarzeau>lupine: i agree
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13:15<lupine>make your mind up :p
13:15<tarzeau>lupine: i think i'll break it up into individual licenses
13:15<lupine>ok...
13:15<locsmif>http://paste.debian.net/33405
13:15<lupine>though if you did it the other way, you would always be able to get that data anyway
13:15<Cybernatt>hello how does one report a bug
13:15<tarzeau>Cybernatt: man reportbug
13:16<locsmif>tarzeau, that link is an example of a GPLv3 detector
13:16<tarzeau>locsmif: yeah but you don't want to detect each individual license, with multiple runs over all those files
13:16<locsmif>You ofcourse know how to do this yourself, but note that this script matches across newlines, and different word orderings
13:16<tarzeau>locsmif: you really want to detect them all at once, and count them
13:16<locsmif>tarzeau, indeed
13:16<tlmiller>i'm working with the rssh debian package to create my first chroot env. and one of the files included with rssh is rssh_chroot_helper which seems to be ldd to linux-gate.so.1.... I cannot find this file, how do I get it?
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13:17<locsmif>tarzeau, it's a script designed for a specific goal, but after creating it i thought: what if it could count and make statistics about *all* licenses used
13:17<tarzeau>locsmif: here's an example that does the same (well a skeleton, the multiline stuff is trivial): http://www.linuks.mine.nu/awk/counter.awk
13:17<locsmif>tarzeau, heh, cool
13:17<tarzeau>locsmif: fun
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13:17<tarzeau>locsmif: i might do this tomorrow and put the results at http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/lina/
13:18<locsmif>tarzeau, :)
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13:19<umbriel>has anyone fixed a sound problem, where the audio was slow, about half speed and distorted?
13:19<locsmif>tarzeau, i'll hang around then
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13:20<tarzeau>locsmif: great, i'll report it in here once i have it
13:21<tarzeau>locsmif: have you seen some of my other stats i did?
13:21<mntek>hello. could you help me install debian on compaq armafda 1560 from floppy. when i'm booting kernel, appear "loading initrd.gz...." and laptop hang up.
13:21<mntek>?
13:21<locsmif>tarzeau, you weren't the guy who counted the number of swear words in the kernel source? ;)
13:21<tarzeau>locsmif: no, but i've seen that report too :)
13:22<locsmif>tarzeau, well i'd be interested to see those stats :)
13:22<tarzeau>locsmif: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/
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13:22<locsmif>heh, excellent
13:22[~]locsmif loves stats
13:23<jcdubacq>does anybody know how to reduce the fan speed of my nvidia 8600 GPU?
13:23<tlmiller>ok I guess I learned that file is not supposed to exist on the file system. my chroot is still broke though
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13:23<umbriel>mntek, i havent loaded from floppy in years, is it possible to remove the HD, place it in a unit where you can install via CDRom, then return the HD to the Compaq?
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13:24<tarzeau>jcdubacq: i know how to make it stop turning ;)
13:24<abcduser>irc://irc.rizon.net/wannabefansubs
13:24<mjk>jcdubacq: There's a tool, I just need to remember the name.
13:24<mntek>umbriel: no cdrom on this laptop (
13:24<jcdubacq>it was sold to me as a silent card, but I think it defaults to max fan speed
13:24<mjk>jcdubacq: apt-cache search -n nvclock
13:25<mntek>only pcmcia network-card, floppy and hdd
13:25<pumpkin0>jcdubacq: slient card do not have fans.
13:25<mjk>jcdubacq: Maybe this tools can also control the fan speed.
13:25<umbriel>i mean to put the hard drive in a unit that does have a CDRom, its the quickest way?
13:25<umbriel>otherwise, you start with a boot disk
13:26<lupine>debian install manual has loads of ways to boot without a cdrom
13:26<mntek>umbriel: i'd tried use slim-scrom, but it have another form-size, that in this notebook
13:27<mntek>and on the boot floppy loading - hangs
13:27<umbriel>if you have a pcmcia card you might try to copy your packages to a Compact Flash card, and use a PCMCIA boot disk
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13:27<mntek>no cf-pcmcia (
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13:27<mntek>and i'll asked about booting and install from floppy.
13:27<mntek>not from another ways )
13:27<jcdubacq>argh
13:28<jcdubacq>looks fine, but not supported yet
13:28<mjk>jcdubacq: Your card isn't supported yet?
13:28<w00ter>hi, quick question, normally i had to take a "SMP" kernel because the server contains an AMD dualcore. I want to upgrade the kernel now, but i dont see any SMP's listed anymore. Does this mean that kernel 2.6.18-4 supports dualcore by default ?
13:28<pumpkin0>w00ter: right.
13:29<mjk>jcdubacq: You could ask in #nvclock on irc.freenode.net if there are Linux tools that control your GPU fan.
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13:29<umbriel>if your floppy hangs up, it may be cruddy, i've come to find many FDDs are cruddy after 5yrs old.
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13:29<umbriel>is there an operating system on the hard drive now?
13:30<umbriel>ie. old windows...
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13:30<mjk>jcdubacq: Ah, I see: "Fanspeed adjustment for FX5900/6600GT/6800GT boards and F75375S/W83L785R sensors".
13:30<mntek>umbriel: win98
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13:30<mntek>and floppy works normally
13:31<w00ter>pumpkin0 - cool thanks
13:31<umbriel>does the win98 still work?
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13:31<mntek>umbriel: yes
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13:31<jusae>is there a floppy image to boot from the network card?
13:32<umbriel>if there is enuff HD space, load the packages on the HD in a top level directory.
13:32<jusae>so the pxe works with an none pxe nic card
13:32<mntek>juLoq: etherboot doesn't work with smc8040tx
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13:33<mntek>* jusae
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13:33<mntek>)
13:33<mntek>umbriel: and then ?
13:33<jusae>most of the nixs i got are like netgear or RTL
13:33<mntek>jusae: not this card imho.
13:33<umbriel>use loadlin to run the linux
13:34<jusae>anyways, etherboot should be the correct image, cos I tried and got nothing with etherboot
13:34<umbriel>wait... first things first.
13:34<mntek>mm ?
13:34<umbriel>get partition magic to create a linux partition.
13:35<umbriel>then copy the boot image packages to the win98 partition
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13:35<umbriel>also copy all packages to the win98 partition.
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13:36<mntek>umbriel: all packages?
13:36<umbriel>use loadlin to start linux and install to the linux partition,
13:36<jusae>i feel the machines callin me, I should stop the network configuration and connect the grid
13:36<umbriel>all packages by default.
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13:37<umbriel>activate the linux partition, reboot the unit
13:37<jusae>oh, the power company emailed me and said that it is in my best interest to have as many computers workin simulatiously as possible
13:37<mntek>very much hdspace_ okay. i'll tried thhis way.
13:37<mntek>thancs
13:38<umbriel>start linux again using loadlin
13:38<jusae>oh, they won't reduce the price per kilowatt
13:38<lupine>loadlin??
13:38<jusae>ho-hum
13:38<jusae>each machine cost 4 pence per hour
13:38<lupine>doesn't that fail to work when you've got a bzImage?
13:38<umbriel>if you wish to illiminate win 98 you can when you configure your OS.
13:38<jusae>31 machines, let me get the calculator
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13:39<jusae>£1.24 per hour to run
13:39<umbriel>loadlin allows linux to boot from a DOS environment.
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13:39<lupine>yeah, but last I checked there was a limit on the kernel size it could boot
13:39<pumpkin0>jusae: what are you trying to do ?
13:39<lupine>and last I checked, recent kernels simply didn't fit into zImages
13:39<mntek>umbriel: thanks. now copying debian packageson hd )
13:39<jusae>figure out the max gflops my grid can muster
13:39<lupine>mind you, that was a while ago so I could be wrong
13:40<pumpkin0>jusae: what kind of hardware ?
13:40<jusae>p3's plus
13:40<jusae>anything my "donate pc's to charity" poster could get
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13:41<umbriel>you need to create a folder in win98 such as 'debian' where you can store the boot images
13:41<pumpkin0>jusae: you could/should phase out older models. Newer hardware gets you more bang/kw.
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13:41<jusae>at first there wasn't an option, anything donated was consider, now I have options
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13:42<umbriel>store vmlinuz-x.x.x.img and the initrd-x.x.x.tgz in the debian folder
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13:42<jusae>last time i had the power consumption figured out, but this time all my research will start from sratch
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13:42<umbriel>get a copy of loadlin (usually comes with a distro) start win98 in DOS
13:43<lupine>mm, looks like that limitation was removed at some point
13:43<lupine>cool
13:43<jusae>the server is currently got 8 hd's with a total storage capacity of 395Gb, crazy, lol
13:43<umbriel>on the command line,
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13:43<Metalqga>raid0?
13:43<jusae>350 watt power supply with a boch 8 plug system
13:43<jusae>yeah
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13:44<jusae>storage first, failure is not an option
13:44<jusae>lmao
13:44<jusae>i raid controller and the standard ide interface
13:44<pumpkin0>jusae: anyway: every cluster gets to a point where adding new hardware just overloads the network/managment and slows things down. With P3 and 100MBit network you will reach that point quickly for most cluster-type workloads.
13:44<jusae>*1
13:44<Metalqga>buy four 300gb hdds and make a more reliable array
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13:45<umbriel>i'm not sure of the command line for using loadlin.
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13:45<umbriel>search online for syntax and usage.
13:45<tlmiller>Does rssh under debian stable work?
13:45<jusae>lol, yeah i know Metalqga, but I don't have the 100 bucks
13:46<twb>tlmiller: you mean rsh?
13:46<umbriel>something like: loadlin boot=vmlinuz....
13:46<jusae>techically, 8*400 Gb (800bucks) = 3.2 terrabytes, that would be nice, but the transfer speed hasn't been calculated
13:46<twb>*tera-
13:46<tlmiller>No, I mean the rssh package for doing chrooted environments
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13:46<umbriel>my time has run out gotta split.
13:46<twb>"terra" would be "of the earth"
13:47<Metalqga>i meant 2 for storage two for backup
13:47<jusae>pumpkin0, i kinda now about that, but I tend on using group sat configuration
13:47<jusae>thxs twb
13:47<Metalqga>raid0 sux for this tha if one burns all your data burns
13:47<twb>raid0 is not useful.
13:47<umbriel>be sure you run everything under loadlin until you're ready to clear win 98, however you can run both
13:47<Metalqga>and with 8 hdds it is 8 times more likely
13:47<twb>Rather, it's useful for scratch disks only
13:47<lupine>haha. I have 370GB on my home PC
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13:48<jusae>all the hd's are reject hardware
13:48<Metalqga>and what do you do with 370gb?
13:48<umbriel>and dualboot the two OS'slike i do right now, win98 gets along with Linux fine.
13:48<Metalqga>dloading pr0n?
13:48<lupine>store video, mostly
13:48<ranix>Hey guys, I need a hand with something real quick. Is anyone familiar with the recent change in password handling in exim4? I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade from about january and exim4 no longer is performing correct logins
13:48<umbriel>gotta go!
13:48<lupine>not pr0n, surprisingly
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13:48<mntek>umbriel: thanks ))
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13:48<KaiSVk>hi all, how I could I found out what kernel version is right now in testing install sources ? I am not on debian machine right now ..
13:48<lupine>we're in a web 2.0 world these days, after all
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13:49<pumpkin0>KaiSVk: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
13:49<jusae>pumpkin0, do you of a application for openmosic that will tell me the total giga flops the cluster can do?
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13:49<lupine>Lenny currently has linux-headers-2.6.21-2, anyway
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13:50<lupine>erm, you know what I mean
13:50<pumpkin0>jusae: nope.
13:50<KaiSVk>lupine damn it ... :/
13:50<KaiSVk>21 is screwed up ...
13:50<twb>KaiSVk: tell it to the judge
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13:52<jusae>distrubted computing website had something
13:52<jusae>not sure how compatiable it was with openmosic
13:52<lupine>KaiSVk: really? How so?
13:52<lupine>I'm still running on .18, anyway
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13:53<ranix>Nobody knows about the password handling change in exim4?
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13:53<twb>lupine: it's broken because 2.6 is a development branch :P
13:54<fxiny>what exactly exim does ?
13:54<ranix>MTA
13:54<twb>fxiny: it's an MTA
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13:54<lupine>hehe
13:54<lupine>2.4 is ultra-stable :p
13:54<fxiny>ranix: does it start ?
13:54[~]lupine huggles 2.6
13:54<ranix>fxiny: yes, and it accepts mail
13:55<KaiSVk>lupine cause I have to recompile 21 becaaaaause I really want 3D on my nvidia ;)
13:55<twb>ranix: what is this "login" stuff you mentioned
13:55<fxiny>right so is not a paniclog issue
13:55<KaiSVk>lupine and damn it ... I wasn't able to compile ipw3945 module against 2.16.21 kernel in lenny :(
13:55<twb>KaiSVk: shame on you for buying from Evil vendors
13:55<lupine>KaiSVk: weird. Sure you aren't just doing it wrong?
13:55<lupine>I booted .21 momentarily, and got nvidia working fine
13:55<KaiSVk>twb who is not the evil vendor ? Intel? pche ...
13:56<twb>For graphics cards, intel.
13:56<lupine>had some hdlc issues so went back to .18
13:56<KaiSVk>lupine I am pretty sure ...
13:56<twb>Possibly also matrox
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13:56<ranix>twb, fxiny: my exim4 is configured to not relay mail from unauthenticated clients. I believe I am authenticating with saslauthd. However, when exim prompts for a password from, say, thunderbird, even when provided with the correct password it requests again as if the password was incorrect
13:56<KaiSVk>lupine so it was broken when I last installed lenny, it was bad compiled with paravirt option :/
13:56<twb>I didn't even know you could do that
13:56<ranix>When I did the dist-upgrade, I noticed it said there was a problem/change to saslauthd regarding samba, and was wondering if the problem was related
13:57<KaiSVk>lupine then I had to recompile without paravirt opt, and then, nvidia module compiled just fine :/
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13:57<twb>I thought SMTP basically just said "hey wow, cool, mail!"
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13:57<lupine>eh, I dunno about paravirt, my CPU only just has sse3
13:58<KaiSVk>lupine and what about ipw3945 and 2.6.21 kernel ?
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13:58<pumpkin0>twb: no, that is SMTP on open-spam-proxies. Real SMTP-Server are a bit more conversative...
13:58<lupine>No idea, I don't use ipw3945. It must compile, though, as the module is in the repos
13:58<lupine>HELO
13:58<ranix>yeah, exim4.conf is insane and I have trouble parsing it
13:59<KaiSVk>lupine how is that possible I have never met you before ... :/
13:59<ranix>It took me awhile to get sasl2-bin working right with it, and now I am freaking out
13:59<lupine>It's a big world
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13:59<lupine>see? lol
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14:00<twb>pumpkin0: I assumed you did that at the firewall
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14:00<twb>e.g. drop all port 25 traffic from eth2 through 5
14:00<twb>*inbound traffic
14:00<lontra>which is the better overall movie player ... vlc or mplayer?
14:00<pumpkin0>twb: and how does my webmail-SMTP-Server work ?
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14:01<eldowan>lontra: define mplayer. I like mplayer, it is easy to use via command line. Though I haven't used vlc
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14:02<jusae>check this out, it looks cool -> http://spinlab.wpi.edu/projects/clusterflop/clusterflop.html
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14:02<twb>If your stupid web garbage is running on the same machine, it would deliver mail over the lo interface.
14:02<jusae>2 giga flops thou
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14:03<jusae>i bet there using ata over tcp
14:03<jusae>cos i can't see a hd in there
14:04<twb>jusae: that has a fancy name
14:04<twb>nbd, I think
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14:04<jusae>10 motherboards, with a 200 mhz fps
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14:05<jusae>i have 30 with a range of 200 mhz to 400 mhz flps
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14:05<pumpkin0>jusae: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/cluster/
14:05<jusae>i'm lookin at about 6 giga flops
14:05<twb>However it's more normal to use NFS rather than block-level network devices
14:05<simon444>In Soviet Russia, the government controls the commerce.
14:06<twb>That's no longer the case.
14:06<twb>For example, MiG is now commercially owned.
14:06<Supaplex>welcome to 2007 simon444 :P
14:06<simon444>twb, Soviet Russia
14:06<jusae>pumpkin0, none generic power supply
14:06<twb>Can you think of a more iconically soviet enterprise than MiG?
14:07<jusae>I kinda figured that most motherboards only consume 12volts
14:07<simon444>twb, which MiG
14:07<jusae>u can buy a MiG
14:07<ranix>fixed it
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14:07<twb>MiG is the name of the company that produces MiG aircraft
14:07<ranix>fucking saslauthd has a new conf file with "start = no" as the default
14:07<eldowan>I'm having a problem with a certain subnet via the cloud connecting to my server over any port, UDP or TCP. My server is running sarge, and works flawlessly with ANY other subnet. The subnet is run by comcast around Houston, Tx. running iptraf to monitor live connection attempts, the server gets the initial S flagged packet to open the connection, but fails to return ANY packet at all. I have tried on multiple machines, 15 - 20 physical miles apart ( i know
14:07<eldowan>that really means nothing). What can I do, or try to look into to figure out why my server appears not to reply to packets from this network? iptables is using shorewall, and I have tried with a completely open iptables setting also. Any help is appreciated.
14:07<jusae>i'd prefer a blackhawk, but then again, i've been on a blackhawk
14:07<ranix>if I didn't want it to run why would I fucking download it
14:07<twb>It's full name is Mikoyan Gurevich or something
14:07<ranix>I should give that package maintainer a piece of my mind
14:08<simon444>SHIT. I need to poop.
14:08<simon444>brb
14:08<lupine>oO
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14:08<fxiny>i prefere my bicycle
14:09<twb>I have a hard time pooping on a bicycle
14:09<fxiny>i use the pump to clean up my box and keyboard :)
14:09<ranix>ah well, at least you guys are here to make me feel less like a fish out of water
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14:09<fxiny>very high tech !
14:10<lupine>twb: it's easy, as long as you're cycling against the wind
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14:10<the_bull>hey all!
14:10<ranix>yo bull
14:10<fxiny>i bet someone pay for canned air :P
14:10<twb>I only cycle in freefall
14:10<the_bull>ranix, can suggest me about *awesome* downloader for debian?
14:11<twb>the_bull: wget
14:11<ranix>hellanzb w/hellahella
14:11<the_bull>twb, not wget
14:11<ranix>also, torrentflux
14:11[~]lupine couldn't see that coming a mile away
14:11<twb>the_bull: curl
14:11<lupine>kget? ;)
14:11<the_bull>hahaha
14:11<fxiny>torrentflux ?
14:11<the_bull>thnx bro... thnx
14:11<twb>the_bull: please, none of your girly GUI crap
14:11<lupine>ktorrent is pretty good, actually
14:11<ranix>np lol
14:11<the_bull>twb, what?
14:11<ranix>not compared to torrentflux
14:11<lupine>as is rtorrent
14:11<ranix>torrentflux is king of the hill
14:11<twb>Oops, bad completion
14:11<fxiny>that "flux" or "fluxbox" ?
14:11<twb>I was addressing lupine
14:12<the_bull>come one... dude... torrentflux is for torrents
14:12<the_bull>i want to say.. about normal downloads
14:12<ranix>hellanzb is for usenet
14:12<lupine>wget, then
14:12<ranix>all you need is torrents and usenet
14:12<lupine>really, there's nothing better
14:12<twb>bittorrent is useless unless your ISP doesn't mirror Debian ISOs or you want to steal popular (bletch) film and television
14:12<ranix>there is probably a nifty firefox plugin that does something cool with wget
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14:12<lupine>heh, don't download DVD ISOs using firefox
14:12<the_bull>ranix, ya?
14:12<lupine>last time I did that, it was a couple of GB short
14:13<twb>Don't do anything with firefox
14:13<fxiny>steal steal . i forgot what steal is ...
14:13<ranix>bittorrent is useful for downloading rare and underdistributed copies of television shows and stuff
14:13<twb>It's bloated and crap and the developers are assholes
14:13<lupine>good point
14:13<the_bull>then bro... tell me plz.. one thing... which one is the best of best for *normal downloading*
14:13<lupine>wget
14:13<ranix>the developers are assholes, but then again so are the gnome developers
14:13<lupine>I use KDE :p
14:13<twb>ranix: by definition getting underdistributed content via bt is impossible
14:13<fxiny>i see clear it now : is what my isp does every day :P
14:13<ranix>twb: nah it just takes a long time
14:13<twb>For example, trying to steal a copy of Norvig's AIMA is a right PITA
14:14<ranix>twb: I used to dislike torrents, but the math behind it is very interesting
14:14<twb>ranix: oh, granted
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14:14<twb>ranix: MIT are doing cool things with it
14:14<ranix>I like how torrents are meant to die
14:14<pumpkin0>ranix: i prefer content over math...
14:14<ranix>they're only for increasing the target audience with the same amount of bandwidth
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14:14<ranix>I prefer using the intertubes in interesting ways to piracy
14:15<twb>Basically torrent is only good for popular content, and popular = bad
14:15<ranix>bittorrent is horrible for piracy
14:15<ranix>IMO, bittorrent is best for unpopular things
14:15<fxiny>ants do torrents every days
14:15<trodger>Hey all. I'm hoping to ask a general linux question in here and wasn't able to find a general support room listed... Will I get flamed for not talking about etch? =P
14:15<twb>ranix: obviously you don't know what it truly means to be unpopular
14:15<pumpkin0>trodger: no, not yet.
14:16<jusae>the linpack benchmark
14:16<ranix>Let's say you're downloading 3 gigs of reboot with only one seed
14:16<jusae>thats what I'm lookin for
14:16<pumpkin0>trodger: but avoid the term ubuntu...
14:16<lupine>ranix: I got all of reboot recently :p
14:16<fxiny>hahaha
14:16<ranix>10 people could never get it all from one guy
14:16<fxiny>no ubu yeahhhh
14:16<lupine>you probably had a bad choice of torrent
14:16<ranix>they can sure all get it from a bittorrent swarm thoug
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14:16<ranix>that's BTs best use
14:16<JasonS>trodger: ##linux is pretty good for generice questions
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14:17<twb>reboot would be some television thing?
14:17<SixF9>ranix: how would torrents be good for unpopular things of the mechanism is based on active seeders?
14:17<SixF9>if the
14:17<twb>SixF9: precisely!
14:17<fxiny>reboot is like politics
14:17<lupine>all you need is one decent seeder - especially if it's unpopular
14:17<pumpkin0>trodger: ask, just ask. Anthing, really ...
14:17<lupine>and with today's DSL...
14:17<eldowan>fxiny: smells bad?
14:17<lupine>I can upload at 100KB/sec
14:17<twb>lupine: you're talking to someone in .au
14:17<fxiny>eldowan: yeahhhhhhhh
14:17<trodger>hehe k. I'm trying to tail -f a file and pipe the output for real time processing etc etc. Every night logrotate rotates the log and breaks tail -f so I have to restart it in the morning. Any one else ever have this problem? I tried something cron based to restart it everynight but cron would kill the process after like 45 minutes.
14:17<lupine>ah, lol
14:17<twb>internet is more expensive than bottled water
14:18<lupine>128Kbit/sec upload, amirtie?
14:18<lupine>amirite*
14:18<jusae>i max at 40kps
14:18<jusae>which sucks
14:18<simon444>back
14:18<lupine>just a bit
14:18<pumpkin0>trodger: shell-scripts ? while (true); do tail -f ... ?
14:18<lupine>simon444: that took quite a while...
14:18<twb>jusae: that's pretty high pressure for surface level
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14:18<fxiny>you are back ? no more vodka ?
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14:19<jusae>its pretty high here
14:19<simon444>This area isn't my speciality so I have a pretty trivia question:
14:19<trodger>pumpkin0: The tricky thing about tail -f is it doesn't exit with a status. It just hangs thinking it has nothing new.
14:19<twb>pumpkin0: why are you running /bin/true in a subshell?
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14:19<pumpkin0>twb: ... don't ask. My script all look like that.
14:19<simon444>would software know if I turn off my monitor?
14:19<trodger>I see what pumpkin0 was getting at... but it doesn't exit. It just hangs.
14:20<simon444>i.e. is there any vga signal for when the monitor is off?
14:20<twb>trodger: you fix it by having logrotate run a post-rotate script to restart your tail process
14:20<lupine>simon444: depends. Not with standard VGA, I think, but some newer protocols (DVI maybe?) support it
14:20<pumpkin0>simon444: you could do clever tricks with the VESA-link....
14:20<lupine>actually
14:20<lupine>any powersaving monitor should be able to report if it's on or not
14:20<twb>simon444: read the DPMS spec
14:21<trodger>twb: thanks. I don't know why I didn't think of that! Thanks!
14:21<lupine>well, not report if it's turned off, obviously.. :p
14:21<twb>trodger: it's OK, sometimes I amaze myself
14:21<twb>lupine: my peecees can report when they're off
14:21<simon444>okay and someone tell those ubuntu coders if they want to make a really user friendly feature to make it an option to autolock the screen when the monitor is turned off
14:21<JasonS>simon444: why would we want to do taht?
14:22<twb>simon444: that's just dumb
14:22<simon444>why?!
14:22<stew>simon444: please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net if you want help with ubuntu
14:22<twb>Yeah
14:22<simon444>stew, I don't want help with ubuntu but this is the type of stuff they add
14:22<simon444>it is very useful
14:22<fxiny>yeehhhhhhh no ubu not untu
14:22<simon444>I need to go to toilet
14:22<stew>simon444: this is not the right place for ubuntu feature requests. ubuntu if off-topic here
14:22<twb>Please just stay there this time.
14:23<lupine>[20:08] <simon444> SHIT. I need to poop.
14:23<lupine>come on, man
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14:23<simon444>I quickly turned off my monitor
14:23<simon444>I didn't have time to push the lock button via the meny
14:23<simon444>s/meny/menu
14:23<simon444>lupine, I can type very fast
14:23<twb>simon444: no, you can't.
14:24<simon444>yes I can
14:24<fxiny>all day reading diggs , ubu ubu ubu : i wasn't born yesterday (part II)
14:24<twb>simon444: you prepared this all in advance
14:24<Eulex>get a lock button in your panel?
14:24<twb>simon444: you're just copy-and-pasting
14:24<simon444>no I didn't
14:24<lupine>hang on
14:24<lupine>simon444 == eliza?
14:24<simon444>the only copy pasting I did was for comments I said in a few channels
14:24<lupine>;)
14:24<simon444>and that was ages ago
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14:24<twb>echo idle 180 lockscreen>>~/.screenrc
14:24<ifvoid>hi
14:25<twb>Bam, no need to explicitly lock your session anymore
14:25<simon444>twb, I have an idle set up already
14:25<twb>simon444: you're lying
14:25<twb>simon444: I bet you don't even have a computer.
14:25<simon444>simon444, it is set to 10min
14:25<simon444>I was gone for less than 10min
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14:27<fxiny>screen ? at least a sensible subject
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14:28<fxiny>byt then will come the point and click lover asking for a ubu-fork of it :P
14:28<tonno>hallo
14:28<simon444>fxiny, the last time I was at digg there was an article about Joe Libermen. I read the first 10 up modded comments. They where all insulting.
14:29<stew>simon444: keep it on-topic
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14:29<fxiny>simon444: i read digg only because when out of service it sports a debian logo : i am very open minded :P
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14:30<jla>how often are the three servers in the security.debian.org rotation sync'd? one has a different date in etch/updates/Release.
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14:32<locsmif>This is the depends for apt-utils as shown from apt-cache
14:32<locsmif>Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6-4.4
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14:32<locsmif>For unstable it's Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4
14:32<tcsetattr>the "Checking for newer versions at packages.debian.org" phase of reportbug is annoyingly slow.
14:32<locsmif>Is this a referral to a real package?
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14:33<azeem>locsmif: no, that is a virtual package
14:33<locsmif>I don't get it: libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4 doesn't exist, libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6-4.4 doesn't exists, and libapt-pkg-libc6 doesn't exist..
14:33<locsmif>azeem, ok
14:34<twb>fxiny: screen passes clicks through to the client
14:34<locsmif>azeem, kind of a weird virtual package then, not like mail-transport-agent or so. I don't quite get it
14:35<azeem>locsmif: why are you concerned with it?
14:35<locsmif>azeem, currently trying to upgrade apt uninstalls libapt-pkg-perl
14:35<locsmif>version conflict on that virtual package
14:35<dondelelcaro>locsmif: yeah, that's not unusual
14:36<fxiny>twb: nothing wrong with clicks , i click all day on my materm
14:36<azeem>locsmif: sounds like you're using unstable
14:36<dondelelcaro>locsmif: the libapt-pkg-perl package will have to be updated
14:36<azeem>locsmif: wait a few days till the latter package got recompiled against the new apt interface
14:36<locsmif>dondelelcaro, azeem, ok
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14:38<tonno>just a question please
14:39<tonno>will amarok 1.4.6 included in etch, or i should wait for lenny?
14:39<azeem>tonno: it won't
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14:39<azeem>tonno: you could check backports.org though, maybe it's on there
14:40<locsmif>azeem, ok, i get it now, i just didn't notice the Provides: field for the apt package
14:40<fxiny>twb: but there is a limit to ubufication .is an obsession like never before . i'm bombarded with spots every hour , i think no other distro can stand ubu
14:40<simon444>So is Lenny going to be a big boy?
14:41<ifvoid>a _very_ big boy
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14:44<newlx>Hi I need some help, I have installed etch, and with apt install KDE with great success, on KDE install java and after reset the system and try to access gnome I do not have anything in the screen, I saw that when is loading Gnome the speakers started loud bit, any idea??? should I uninstall java and gnome?? I only have access to single-mode-user for maintenance
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14:48<antgel>newlx: can you get to a console with ctrl-alt-f1?
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14:49<newlx>antgel: no I can not
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14:49<antgel>newlx: when you say you installed kde and try to access gnome, what do you mean?
14:50<tcsetattr>if you've been forced into single-user maintenance mode it's usually because of disk errors.
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14:50<ranix>install jubumboo
14:51<ranix>you take half a cd of Gentoo and half a cd of Ubuntu and tape them together
14:51<newlx>antgel: after intal kde and java, I reboot the system
14:51<ranix>then, your cflags kick in and your inbred togetherness elevate your computing experience to a new level
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14:51<ranix>this is the answer, newlx
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14:52<fAP>What is the command to unpack a .tar.bz2 file? tar xvjf package?
14:52<fxiny>same as Frank&Stein : dead flesh:P
14:52<antgel>fAP: yes, and man tar
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14:52<newlx>ranix: what brand of tape is better??? :P
14:53<ranix>don't forget it doesn't work unless you have bunzip installed fAP
14:53<locsmif>fAP, or "unp <file>"
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14:53<fAP>unp isn't a valid command.
14:53<the_bull>hey bro...
14:54<ranix>apt-get install unp
14:54<ranix>unf unf unf
14:54<the_bull>what`s the best IDE for python?
14:54<the_bull>i have checked for IDLE
14:54<fxiny>yes ?
14:54<locsmif>fAP, apt-get update && apt-get install unp
14:54<the_bull>but, it is not so much friendly
14:54<ranix>vi is a good python ide
14:54<fAP>and I should do the same with bunzip?
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14:54<antgel>fAP: just do the tar
14:54<ranix>it interacts with the user on a spiritual level, bypassing user interfaces entirely
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14:55<locsmif>unp handles the unpacking for you, most of the time, wether it is tar.bz2, tar.gz, .zip, .rar
14:55<locsmif>just a tip.
14:55<fxiny>a spiritual cramps ?
14:55<the_bull>what`s the good X based IDE for python?
14:55<locsmif>gvim
14:55<locsmif>;-)
14:55<fAP>locsmif: it doesn't seem to work.
14:55<antgel>the_bull: google
14:56<locsmif>the_bull, perhaps ask #python on freenode
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14:56<fAP>I get some sort of error message.
14:56<the_bull>antgel, i googled
14:56<the_bull>but, many info came
14:56<locsmif>the_bull, have you asked #python on freenode?
14:56<fxiny>of course
14:56<locsmif>the_bull, perhaps eclipse has a python plugin
14:56<ranix>use Chinese google
14:56<the_bull>like...IDLE,eric etc.
14:56<trodger>the_bull: I don't think very many people use ide's with python
14:57<antgel>the_bull: so try them
14:57<ranix>it has the dangerous ideas filtered out for you
14:57<antgel>i googled but much info came... that's what it's supposed to do
14:57<trodger>the_bull: Most programmers I know just use vim for python programming
14:57<ranix>python and php and ruby et. al are best coded in vim
14:57<the_bull>trodger, ya?
14:57<ranix>perl, etc, etc.
14:58<fxiny>yahhhh leave emacs for perl lovers :)
14:58<fAP>can anyone help me?
14:58<the_bull>trodger, can we do with vim?
14:58<ranix>in before fxiny
14:58<ranix>I like perl
14:58<twb>php is best not coded at all
14:58<ranix>what else can parse random, misspelled, badly capitalized Korean text files
14:58<ranix>Only Perl!
14:59[~]fxiny lights a ranix-shaped candle to his Larry Wall alatar
14:59<fxiny>alatar ?
14:59<twb>Korean has no capitals.
14:59<trodger>the_bull: Honestly, I think ide's originally came about because programming environments became so complicated to setup and were so convoluted. Python is very simple and honestly I just use vim w/ syntax highlighting and gnome-terminals
14:59<ranix>twb: it has something similar
14:59<twb>Oh?
14:59<fAP>thanks
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14:59<the_bull>trodger, ya? thnx bro
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15:00<the_bull>i love vim ..
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15:00<the_bull>nd hv been using 4 almost all purpose
15:00<the_bull>gcc,g++,javacc,text...
15:00<ranix>at least, based purely on my analysis of the raw bytes in the file
15:00<antgel>the_bull: does vim help you to type correct english?
15:00<trodger>the_bull: Last I remembered the debian vimrc didn't have syntax on but just edit the vim file in /etc and uncomment that line.
15:00<twb>Well, I've never heard about it.
15:01<antgel>or have your own .vimrc so it doesn't get clobbered on upgrade
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15:01<the_bull>antgel, can`t get your point
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15:01<eldowan>I've asked in ##networking, but have had no response. I'm having a problem with a certain subnet via the cloud connecting to my server over any port, UDP or TCP. My server is running sarge, and works flawlessly with ANY other subnet. The subnet is run by comcast around Houston, Tx. running iptraf to monitor live connection attempts, the server gets the initial S flagged packet to open the connection, but fails to return ANY packet at all. I have tried on
15:01<eldowan>multiple machines, 15 - 20 physical miles apart ( i know that really means nothing). What can I do, or try to look into to figure out why my server appears not to reply to packets from this network? iptables is using shorewall, and I have tried with a completely open iptables setting also. Any help is appreciated.
15:01<antgel>"nd hv" isn't english. "4" is not the word "for"
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15:02<ranix>There were some inconsistancies in the files I was dealing with that really looked like capitalization errors, but I could have been slightly confused at the time. It parsed after replacing each problem character with an instance of a previous character that matched the rest of the string, or something
15:02<ranix>there were also funky two-byte characters intersperced with four-byte characters
15:02<locsmif>eldowan, there are various steps you should take
15:03<locsmif>eldowan, first of all, completely disable shorewall
15:03<locsmif>then, check the output of iptables list commands to check if the rules are cleaned
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15:03<eldowan>locsmif: did that already, no difference.
15:03<locsmif>confirm that shorewall is not running
15:03<tcsetattr>and use tcpdump instead of iptraf
15:04<locsmif>then you check with netstat -natup if the program you are checking is indeed listening on the port you expect
15:04<eldowan>iptables -L returns only 5 or six lines, as opposed to many many when shorewall is open.
15:04<locsmif>eldowan, there you have it
15:04<tcsetattr>and iptables -L -t nat and iptables -L -t mangle
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15:04<the_bull>trodger, cool man.. thnx.. i have run python with vim
15:04<locsmif>that's not empty at all, is it
15:04[~]simon444 releases a lot of gas
15:04<simon444>my chair went flying
15:04<the_bull>antgel, what did u wanted to mean by "spell checking in vim"?????
15:04<tcsetattr>actually an empty iptables -L|wc -l is 8.
15:05<eldowan>locsmif: others can ssh into the box, and other ports no problem. the only issue is with a particular subnet / carrier
15:05<fxiny>try shorewall stop && shorewall clear . then modprobe -r ipt modules left if any
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15:06<locsmif>eldowan, have it your way.
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15:07<eldowan>locsmif: I dont get what you mean.
15:08<tcsetattr>he's telling you to go to Burger King.
15:08<tcsetattr>it's guerilla advertizing.
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15:08<locsmif>heh.
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15:09<locsmif>eldowan, you to need to stop and clean out all firewall activity to verify if the problem is caused by shorewall.
15:09<locsmif>once you have established that, you can start reviewing your shorewall configuration
15:10<simon444>tcsetattr, are you referring to that YouTube video?
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15:10<locsmif>However, most ppl only *think* they have a completely disabled firewall
15:10<simon444>tcsetattr, the one in the top of the comedy section
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15:12<Jamp>apostols: hello
15:12<twb>ranix: what encoding was this? ISO 2022 or UTF-8?
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15:12<locsmif>To really achieve an empty firewall, you must make absolutely sure smoothwall is not running, then do something like iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -X; iptables -F; iptables -F -t mangle; iptables -F -t nat; iptables -X
15:13<Jamp>apostols: where are you from???
15:13<simon444>twb, ISS-444
15:13<apostols>Jamp: Eii :D
15:13<simon444>International Simon Standard
15:13<apostols>Jamp: my work
15:13<twb>simon444: plonk
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15:16<Justmeee>hey anyone a wake around here? I have a problem I installed Debian 4.0 R0 but I am getting some funky CRC errors on one of my drives. It never did this before with 3.2
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15:16<Justmeee>I setup a paste bin with the errors at http://pastebin.com/f46444823
15:17<lupine>Anyone have any experience on getting native IPv6 over a ppp link to work? I'm having some difficulty
15:17<Justmeee>I was checking Google and it appears to have to do with the DMA but I am not sure how to disable the DMA on bootup can anyone help me please.
15:17<simon444>Justmeee, no
15:17<stew>Justmeee: either your harddrive is dying or your hard drive cable is bad or dying. make a backup asap
15:17<Justmeee>NO it isn't
15:17<Justmeee>Go read google groups there is an issue with debian
15:17<simon444>lupine, not with linux
15:18<stew>Justmeee: chack smartmontools
15:18<Justmeee>and if the DMA is enabled the hard drive is NOT dying..
15:18<azeem>how does that follow?
15:18<lupine>general hints could be useful anyway :)
15:18<Justmeee>IT HAS TO DO WITH THE DMA others thought that too that the drive was dying but it wasn't
15:18<stew>Justmeee: ok what is your question then?
15:18<azeem>no reason to write in all caps
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15:18<stew>Justmeee: i'd recommend checking smartmontools anyway
15:18<lupine>While setting up the ppp link, it gets local and remote link-layer addresses...
15:18<Justmeee>yes there is when these guys can't read
15:18<simon444>Google had a problem with a DMA bug in the linux kernel
15:19<azeem>Justmeee: no there isn't
15:19<dwon>I've seen Justmee's pastebin'd issue. As far as I can tell, the hard drives are fine.
15:19<Justmeee>my question is how do you disable the DMA
15:19<simon444>listen to Rob Pike at Usenix 05
15:19<locsmif>Justmeee, man hdparm
15:19<lupine>...but giving my end an addresses within my allocation and trying to ping the outside world doesn't work
15:19<dwon>on the other hand, for me, Linux just disabled DMA automatically
15:19<lupine>hdparm, isn't it?
15:19<locsmif>Justmeee, but with newer kernels changing dma may be impossible
15:19<dwon>I think you can add like "hda=pio" on the kernel command-line
15:19<locsmif>Justmeee, but in any case, unless smartmontools confirms your hdd is in a healthy state, we won't believe you
15:20<Justmeee>According to some articles i read on google the HD isn't dying but it is a DMA issue that causes sluggy performance and this error
15:20<azeem>Justmeee: maybe it could be both?
15:20<simon444>lupine, wait till we are done with this tweep
15:20<Justmeee>locsmif you are clueless I will find you the articles
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15:20<trodger>Justmeee: Do the posts say it's a debian kernel issue or a kernel issue in general?
15:20<azeem>Justmeee: stop calling people names
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15:20<Justmeee>The HD is NOT dying.. get a CLUE
15:20<simon444>lupine, your question is getting lost in all this stuff
15:20<locsmif>Justmeee, i already told you how you can set DMA, now go do it
15:20<locsmif>and stop yelling
15:20<simon444>Justmeee, You are DYING!
15:20<Justmeee>Azeem no these guys are idiots that are saying the drive is dying
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15:21[~]dwon had heard that BSD is DYING
15:21<stew>Justmeee: take a 10 minute break. after that, try to keep it constructive and no namecalling
15:21<simon444>lol that is the way
15:21<stew>simon444: do you have a debian related question?
15:21<simon444>Justmeee, hard drives are always dying
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15:21<simon444>stew, no but I was answering lupine's
15:21<tcsetattr>lupine what do you mean by "within my allocation"? the PPP peer is assigning you multiple addresses? or you got them from some other provider?
15:22<lupine>My ISP allocated me a /48
15:22<lupine>I'm connecting to them using a PPP link
15:22<lupine>I get local and remote link-layer IPs
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15:23<tcsetattr>oh boy, ipv6
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15:23<lupine>but I don't get assigned a global ipv6 address (although I do get assigned my ipv4 address)
15:23<lupine>hehe, well. It's all for a good cause.
15:24<tcsetattr>but the ping you're trying to do is all ipv6, right?
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15:25<lupine>yep
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15:26<KaiSVK>so hi there
15:27<tcsetattr>I haven't done ipv6 ... but can you try running a traceroute (traceroute6?) from the outside world to your /48, and see how far it gets
15:28<simon444>yes tcptraceroute6
15:28<lupine>I don't have an external box with ipv6
15:28<tcsetattr>then who are you pinging? :)
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15:29<lupine>My ISP
15:29<KaiSVK>lupine hi, have you some particular good howto on installing nvidia on lenny please ?
15:29<lupine>m-a a-i nvidia
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15:30<chrischi>hallo?
15:30<KaiSVK>lupine I know I know ... If I would like to have 100... driver ?
15:30<lupine>v4 IP 81.187.81.72 == v6 IP 2001:8b0:0:81::51bb:511f , which is the first server I see after leaving my network
15:31<lupine>KaiSVK: then download run the nvidia installer
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15:31<chrischi>i need some help
15:31<Maulkin>!ask
15:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
15:31<KaiSVK>lupine what are the prerequisits ?
15:31<lupine>kernel headers, build-essential
15:31<tcsetattr>do you have an ipv6 default route pointing to the ppp interface?
15:32<chrischi>i have a problem with wine... i just install the new sidux release and now i must configure my wine new, but i dont n´know who...
15:32<chrischi>sorry my english is very bad
15:33<stew>chrischi: please go to #sidux for help with sidux
15:33<chrischi>wie?
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15:33<lupine>tcsetattr: yes, it didn't help
15:34<chrischi>thanks
15:34<eldowan>locsmif: sorry for the delay. Unfortunately, I am unable to take these steps until the close of business today. However, I will keep your suggestions in mind and try these steps as soon as I am able to. In addition, I will also see if I can get a different machine that I can use outside of my firewall, and try to connect to the secondary. Hopefully this will verify whether this is a problem with my firewall or the subnet carrier. I appreciate your help, and
15:34<eldowan>appologize for being unable test at this time, and having asked a question without the time to try.
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15:34<lupine>"default dev ppp0 metric 1024 expires 21332411sec mtu 1484 advmss 1424 hoplimit 4294967295"
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15:34<KaiSVK>lupine it wrote that nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidates :(
15:35<lupine>so enable contrib and non-free
15:35<locsmif>eldowan, no problem at all
15:35<KaiSVK>lupine i have them enabled
15:35<KaiSVK>lupine may it be, that the local mirror has some problem ? and don't have that package ?
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15:36<Justmeee>Ok listen the drive I have is NOT failing so don't tell me that garbage it has to do with the DMA being enabled on the one drive
15:36<rjent>Greetings, is there an easy way to make a pretty pxe menu backgound?
15:36<Justmeee>http://pastebin.com/f46444823
15:36<simon444>Justmeee, hard drives are always dying
15:36<Justmeee>There are TWO drives in this machine the one has the DMA disabled
15:36<ifvoid>BadCRC is not good
15:36<ifvoid>that doesn't seem to have to do with dma
15:37<ifvoid>what does smartctl -a say?
15:37<Justmeee>and it works fine the 2nd the DMA did not get disabled properly .. why I don't know and is the drive I am having problems with
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15:37<Justmeee>GRRR there is no problem with the drive.. it is a DMA issue
15:37<Justmeee>How do I disable the DMA
15:37<stew>Justmeee: man hdparm
15:37<ifvoid>hdparm -d0
15:37<trodger>Justmeee: As I recall, hdparm can disable dma.
15:37<Justmeee>I did that doesn't exist
15:37<ifvoid>Justmeee: and you might trying to be a bit politer
15:37<stew>Justmeee: install it, /msg dpkg search
15:37<ifvoid>we're just trying to help
15:37<Justmeee> man hdparm
15:37<Justmeee>No manual entry for hdparm
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15:38<stew>Justmeee: you need to install it before you can read the manpage
15:38<ifvoid>apt-get install hdparm
15:38<Justmeee>thank you ifvoid
15:38<simon444>stew, that is something that could be improved. It should be able to download it from the net
15:39<stew>simon444: what?
15:39<simon444>IIRC Plan 9 has some type of solution for this
15:39<stew>simon444: for what? reading uninstalled manpages?
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15:39<simon444>stew, yes
15:39<lupine>tcsetattr, simon444: http://www.olympus-zone.net/page_1075_en_Blue.html?PHPSESSID=6fc95ec1b8df0d5357598c5b61f74db4 seems to be a good place for me to RTFM
15:39<lupine>thanks for trying, though :)
15:39<ifvoid>simon444: we have google for that
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15:39<simon444>lupine, yes but can you access it using the man command?
15:40<stew>simon444: google for "man hdparm"
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15:40<Justmeee>ifvoid I am being polite but people here are giving people wrong information before saying the HD is dying which isn't the case.
15:40<simon444>ifvoid, in such a case why no go totally google
15:40<Maulkin>Justmeee: have you confirmed that? If so, how?
15:40<ifvoid>Justmeee: why are you so sure?
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15:40<simon444>ifvoid, no need for the man command for installed pages then
15:40<Justmeee>Yes because it is a DMA issue that causes this problem it is archived in google groups
15:40<stew>Justmeee: i'd say that 90% of the time that people come here with that error (which is severl times per week) it is becuase the hard drive is dying
15:40<ifvoid>simon444: indeed
15:41<Justmeee>No it is'nt nessarily that at all stew
15:41<stew>Justmeee: and even if that is not the case, that is no cause to start being impolite to people and calling them names
15:41<stew>Justmeee: how much time to you spend here that you would know that better than I?
15:41<Maulkin>simon444: So what's the point in a man page for a program that doesn't exist?
15:41<Justmeee>again you are telling people wrong information go read google groups there are cases where the DMA enabled causes errors like this
15:41<Justmeee>on certian drives...
15:41<lupine>simon444: if I alias it to lynx, yes
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15:41<Justmeee>so you are telling people WRONG information stew.. if you don't know.. don't just tell them the drive is dying
15:42<stew>Justmeee: i told you to check if it is with smartmontools which is a good idea in any case
15:42<Maulkin>Justmeee: please calm down and try and be a little polite
15:42<Justmeee>stew if you don't know do NOT give out wrong information..
15:42<trodger>Justmeee: How old are those posts? Are you running a very old machine? I haven't seen linux dma issues in years...
15:42<ifvoid>Justmeee: unless it's a _very_ old driver (>10 years), disabling DMA makes it basically uselessly slow
15:42<Justmeee>Maulkin I am being polite but hate idiots like stew who give me a lot of attitude
15:42<ifvoid>-r
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15:42<ifvoid>stew: heh
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15:43<ifvoid>Justmeee: _you_ are the only one here with an attitude
15:43<Maulkin>Justmeee: For info, we don't tolerate directed name calling.
15:43<Maulkin>too late
15:43<lawnninja>yep
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15:44<simon444>ifvoid, Google had a major DMA problem just a few years ago
15:44<simon444>ifvoid, it was featured in Rob Pike's Usenix 04 talk IIRC
15:45<simon444>the bug was in the linux kernel
15:45<trodger>Disabling DMA is a very easy thing to google. If he cares that much he can google it.
15:45<trodger>I don't think anyone here could help him with his attitude
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15:46<twb>hdparm -d off /dev/sda, or thereabouts
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15:46<simon444>I think some people cause his attitude here by not ignoring the the trivial stuff
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15:46<ifvoid>simon444: uhm
15:46<ifvoid>simon444: his very first sentence was already offensive
15:47<simon444>in your culture
15:47<simon444>maybe not in his
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15:47<simon444>I have been to place where the most offensive things are nothing
15:47<simon444>like America
15:47<azeem>now you're here
15:48<ifvoid>anyway, let's keep it ontopic
15:48<trodger>That reminded me of my cat. Sometimes my cat will flip out and bite me and I'll have to put it in it's cage for a cooldown. You'd think after a 10 minute cooldown it wouldn't bite me again. But that son of a bitch will bite me right after I take him out and I have to throw his ass back in his cage.
15:48<simon444>lol
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15:49<andreas>Hi. Can someooone please tell me why i can log into kde in root mode but not as user???
15:49<ifvoid>that's weird indeed
15:49<ifvoid>what happens when you try to log in as user?
15:49<azeem>andreas: maybe your / partition is almost full, and only root can still write to it?
15:49<twb>andreas: why do you think you need that?
15:49<twb>Oh sorry, I misread the question
15:49<ifvoid>twb: well, logging in as a normal user is pretty useful...
15:50<ifvoid>heh
15:50<andreas>it logs me in correctly but without the menu bar and the dektop background. It is a completely fresh business card installation
15:50<tarzeau>andreas: do you have autofs homes?
15:50<azeem>andreas: then you can log in
15:50<azeem>just not properly
15:50<stew>andreas: check $HOME/.xsession-errors ; and check that your user owns the files in $HOME
15:50<twb>That sounds like your dotfiles are garbaged
15:50<tarzeau>andreas: did you make a kde major version upgrade?
15:51<andreas>Well... I just installed the business card basic system and took kde_core from the standard repos
15:51<andreas>kde_core even
15:51<andreas>kde-core even
15:51<azeem>andreas: which version of Debian?
15:51<andreas>Etch
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15:52<ifvoid>andreas: ah, that's probably not enough
15:52<ifvoid>oh hmm
15:52<ifvoid>then it also shouldn't work as root
15:52<andreas>I took kdm, xchat, iceweasel + a few others along the way
15:53<trodger>andreas: How did you create the user? At install time or with a command line add like adduser or useradd?
15:53<andreas>I would really hate to start from scratch one again
15:53<andreas>trodger: through installgui
15:53<simon444>andreas, is /home mounted?
15:53<ifvoid>can you paste the output of df -h on pastebin.com?
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15:53<andreas>2 secs on df -h
15:54<ifvoid>andreas: and perhaps also the output of mount
15:54<ifvoid>One thing that could be the problem is if /home is on smbfs or so
15:54<ifvoid>or vfat
15:54<ifvoid>or some fs that doesn't support pipes and symlinks
15:54<ifvoid>iirc, kde needs that'
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15:55<andreas>http://pastebin.com/m2453b8aa
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15:55<andreas>http://pastebin.com/m44bb2fbc
15:55<ifvoid>andreas: what kind of fs is /home?
15:56<trodger>Try logging in as root and creating another user to make sure something didn't get fsck'd up mayhaps...
15:56<andreas>ifvoid: I am not quite sure what fs means.
15:56<tcsetattr>the important suggestion of reading the .xsession-errors seems to have been missed
15:56<andreas>Oh... file syste
15:56<ifvoid>andreas: yeah, please also paste the output of mount
15:56<azeem>he did
15:56<ifvoid>oh sorry
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15:57<ifvoid>overlooked that
15:57<ifvoid>but that looks ok
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15:57<weebl^>Hello, does anybody know what program might be running as an smtp daemon when I installed Debian? I only installed webmin and it seems that port 25/tcp is already in use, can't figure out what program is using it though
15:57<andreas>I just kept /Home from the Ubuntu installation
15:57<azeem>andreas: eh, you didn't say that
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15:58<ifvoid>andreas: oh, with different users?
15:58<azeem>that's pretty important information
15:58<tcsetattr>weebl^, netstat -plnt
15:58<ifvoid>weebl^: exim
15:58<azeem>andreas: create a new user, and check whether that can login fine
15:58<andreas>ifvoid: No.. Same usernames
15:58<weebl^>100 2579 0.0 0.1 5340 996 ? Ss 22:40 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m
15:58<azeem>andreas: also, check whether the username-uid mapping is fine
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15:58<weebl^>that one?
15:58<andreas>azeem: Will do.. 2 minutes
15:58<simon444>LOL
15:58<ifvoid>andreas: yes, but different uids, probably
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15:58<simon444>different UID
15:58<azeem>andreas: what does "ls -l ~/.bash_profile" say?
15:58<ifvoid>I'm not sure what ubuntu uses
15:59<ifvoid>weebl^: yes
15:59<ifvoid>weebl^: but it _should_ be listening there
15:59<weebl^>how come
15:59<ifvoid>weebl^: why do you want to get rid of it?
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15:59<andreas>ls -l ~/.bash_profile
15:59<andreas>ls: /root/.bash_profile: Ingen sådan fil eller filkatalog
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15:59<weebl^>i have another smtp daemon i want to install
15:59<andreas>Meaning: No such file or catalogue
15:59<ifvoid>weebl^: just install it
15:59<azeem>andreas: for your user, I meant
15:59<ifvoid>weebl^: apt will take care to remove exim first
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15:59<andreas>I will try to create a new user
15:59<weebl^>no i have a java based smtp server
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16:00<weebl^>have to do it manually
16:00<ifvoid>andreas: ls -lad ~youruser/
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16:00<eurisko>hi everyone
16:00<ifvoid>weebl^: a java based xmtp server?
16:00<ifvoid>brrrr
16:00<locsmif>All that while 'justmeee' already got the advice to read the man page for hdparm even before het got muted the first time. Also, finding the error on google groups pointing to some issue with Debian and then concluding that issue must be yours is logically flawed.
16:00<weebl^>ifvoid :x
16:00<tcsetattr>find /home -nouser -print
16:00<ifvoid>weebl^: anyway, removing all smtp daemons fromd ebian is hard
16:00<weebl^>well i didnt remove it
16:00<ifvoid>because other packages depend on it
16:00<locsmif>People like that deserve dead harddisks
16:00<weebl^>i just removed it from start up and killed it
16:01<eurisko>i need some hints regarding, backlight control and sound control keys from a laptop
16:01<eurisko>they aren't working
16:01<ifvoid>eurisko: which brand?
16:01<eurisko>i have kmilo installed, but i don't have any of the list branded
16:01<eurisko>it's is a Packard Bell
16:01<ifvoid>ah
16:01<eurisko>it's*
16:01<ifvoid>hmm
16:01<ifvoid>then you're probably out of luck, if it doesn't work out of the box
16:02<ifvoid>but check http://www.linux-laptop.net/
16:02<eurisko>thanks, ifvoid
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16:03<andreas>Back....
16:03<tcsetattr>wow... I'd like totally forgotten the existence of Packard Hell
16:03<eurisko>my brand isn't there, but NEC is, and i suspect this is a NEC laptop branded PackardBell, because in the windows oem license key sticker says NEC
16:03<andreas>I am currently copying the files from my old /Home to /root`s Home
16:04<ifvoid>eurisko: PB is there
16:04<ifvoid>http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/pb.html
16:04<andreas>How do I go about deleteing the users andreas and camilla?
16:04<simon444>WTF
16:04<simon444>why would you do that
16:04<eurisko>oh i didn't know ppl called PB
16:04<simon444>andreas, just fix the uid
16:05<tcsetattr>andreas, you shouldn't have to do a bunch of copying and deleting. If the uid doesn't match, just change it. chown the directories, or usermod -u the users
16:05<lupine>bwahaha, got it working. http://www.castalie.org/Linux/IPv6.html is better :)
16:05<andreas>I would love to do that but i am not quite sure how
16:05<ifvoid>no native ipv6 connection here :(
16:05<tcsetattr>for example: "chown -R andreas /home/andreas"
16:06<tcsetattr>or: usermod -u `stat -c %u /home/andreas` andreas
16:06<tcsetattr>the usermod will be faster.
16:06<eurisko>tcsetattr, i am really satisfied with it for 699 €/$ i bouth a 12.1" with 1.9 kg, with a core 2 duo :)
16:06<andreas>tcsettr: Done. The prompt is ready for a new command
16:06<tcsetattr>the gid might still need fixing up too.
16:07<andreas>Used the chown approach
16:07<tcsetattr>ok then, try the login again
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16:07<simon444>you killed him
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16:09<andreas>Still no luck logging in
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16:09<andreas>Say...
16:09<azeem>andreas: did you try to login as a new user?
16:09<andreas>Azeem: No. The old andreas
16:10<tcsetattr>did we ever confirm that the uid was the actual problem? and what happened to that .xsession-errors? ls -lat /home/andreas would be interesting.
16:10<andreas>Going to pastebiiin
16:10<tcsetattr>he just runs with the treatment command without confirming the diagnosis... andreas is House MD
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16:11<andreas>http://pastebin.com/m76822f58
16:11<ifvoid>tcsetattr: House uses the treatmake to make a diagnosis, usually ;)
16:11<stew>andreas: check .xsession-errors if you haven't already
16:11<tcsetattr>oh yeah... .xsession-errors is the newest file in there. It's gotta have good stuff!
16:12<andreas>stew: Do i just type those int he term?
16:12<stew>andreas: try "pager .xsession-errors"
16:12<stew>andreas: or upload it to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php and we can all look
16:12<tcsetattr>only 3485 bytes, probably not more than a screenful
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16:14<andreas>http://pastebin.ca/633642
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16:15<ifvoid>andreas: hmm
16:15<ifvoid>andreas: it seems to try to do stuff in /root
16:15<ifvoid>andreas: that's not good
16:15<azeem>because he uploaded /root/.xsession-errors
16:15<ifvoid>andreas: can you try moving ~andreas/.kde out of the way?
16:15<azeem>not ~andreas/.xsession-errors, I bet
16:15<andreas>Can`t I just format /Home (seperate partition) and delete the users?
16:16<ifvoid>azeem: hmm
16:16<ifvoid>andreas: that's what windows users would do, yeah ;)
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16:16<ifvoid>andreas: which xsession-errors file did you upload?
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16:16<ifvoid>andreas: the one from /root ot the one from /home/andreas?
16:16<andreas>ifvoid: I was logged in as root
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16:17<azeem>andreas: we try to debug ~andreas's login problems
16:17<ifvoid>andreas: anyway, I guess the problem is some old settings left over from your old ubuntu setup
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16:18<ifvoid>andreas: so you _could_ try mv ~andreas/.kde ~andreas/.kde.old
16:18<ifvoid>and then try logging in again
16:18<andreas>ifvoid: done. Logging in
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16:19<jusae>why would I use exim4?
16:19<jusae>why not just use fetchmail
16:19<azeem>damog: tard
16:19<damog>azeem: LOL
16:19<jusae>am i missin something?
16:19<damog>that's what I was going to write :)
16:19<ifvoid>jusae: that's anonsensical question
16:19<ifvoid>jusae: fetchmail and exim are two totally different things
16:19<damog>jusae: because they are different things?
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16:20<andreas>YAY! It worked!
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16:20<ifvoid>gratz
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16:20<andreas>Thanks a lot guys
16:20<jusae>why would i need exim4, when fetchmail gets my emails for me and mutt always me to read them?
16:20<eurisko>with gparted it is possible to resize an ext3 journaled fs? make it bigger in this case?
16:20<ifvoid>jusae: because exim delivers local mail and fetchmail doesn't?
16:21<andreas>By the way... Can you tell me the package name for java?
16:21<ifvoid>because fetchmail uses exim to deliver the mail locally?
16:21<jusae>i see
16:21<damog>Hah.
16:21<ifvoid>andreas: sun-java5-jdk or -jre'
16:21<lupine>eurisko: resize2fs
16:21<ifvoid>andreas: but they are in non-free
16:21<andreas>... nad flash?
16:21<andreas>and
16:22<lupine>assuming there's space on the partition for it, of course
16:22<eurisko>man resize2fs
16:22<ifvoid>flashplugin-nonfree
16:22<eurisko>sorry
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16:22<andreas>ifvoid:Thanks
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16:23<darkstarz>howdy. how can i tell if a NIC on a Debian 4.0 box supports 1000Mbps?
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16:23<jusae>shouldn't ifconfig state its speed
16:23<ifvoid>darkstarz: ethtool
16:24<jusae>or when the nix goes up, it says 100mbs or 10mbs
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16:26<jusae>whats the command to add addition cd or dvd sources to the source list
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16:26<tcsetattr>apt-cdrom add
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16:27<jusae>cool, the drive doesn't boot dvd's, but it can read them
16:27<jusae>thxs btw
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16:28<jusae>being poor sucks, playin with this old hardware, when i get the money, i gonna buy sun stations and date the blonde
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16:28<jusae>the really stuck-up one
16:28<ifvoid>bah
16:28<ifvoid>sun
16:28<ifvoid>brrr
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16:28<jusae>its worth it just to interact with her
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16:28<jusae>she's really cool, great legs
16:29<jusae>and a killer body
16:29<jusae>i remember bitin her
16:29<tcsetattr>#debian is really weird today.
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16:29<jusae>i swear, i'm pretty sure there's a pic on the net somewhere
16:30<azeem>jusae: this is off-topic
16:30<eurisko>well i guess i will not have success controlling the backlight of my laptop with the keys, is it possible to echo something into a specific device that controls the backlight?
16:30<azeem>eurisko: vbetool dpms off
16:30<ifvoid>eurisko: nope
16:30<azeem>or so
16:30<ifvoid>eurisko: unless you have a supported laptop
16:30<ifvoid>eurisko: i.e. one for which specs are available
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16:31<KaiSVK>lupine I was wondering, is it a problem for debian developers and packagers to recompile 2.16.21 kernel without paravirt option? it's causing serious problem to install nvidia driver ... and I think ati too
16:32<lupine>Raise a bug about it, and see what happens?
16:32<ifvoid>hmmz
16:32<lupine>!bug
16:32<dpkg>well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
16:32<ifvoid>I don't know if they will care about evil binary blobs
16:33<brian>omfg
16:33<KaiSVK>ifvoid well I would care... there some talks with new "boss" of debian, he was talking about debian beeing sexy and bla bla ;)
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16:34<ifvoid>KaiSVK: well, as the ati and nvidia sh*t arent part of debian, the the paravirt thingy is actually pretty useful...
16:34<ifvoid>the probalem is in the ati and nvidia driver
16:34<ifvoid>so those have to be fixed
16:34<ifvoid>and they probably will be
16:35<ifvoid>whenever amd and nvidia get around to it
16:35<KaiSVK>ifvoid thanx ! now I understand
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16:36<brian>i pooted
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16:36<lupine>you could always do your own kernel without paravirt
16:37<lupine>!kernel
16:37<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.22.1, prepatch: 2.6.23-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.23-rc1-git2, 2.4: 2.4.34.6, prepatch: 2.4.35-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-rc1-mm1
16:37<KaiSVK>btw. Gnome 2.18 looks nice here in debian, so I will try it as my desktop
16:37<lupine>bah
16:37<simon444>jusae, is she open source?
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16:37<azeem>simon444: move this elsewhere
16:37<KaiSVK>lupine I am doing so right now, but I choose 2.6.21 source - because of ipw3945 and its installation
16:38<brian>i haven't had to compile a kernel in forever
16:38<KaiSVK>brian so you are "kernel panic" = "kernel virgin" in slovak language :)
16:39<brian>nah
16:39<ifvoid>panic==virgin?
16:39<brian>i've compiled plenty of kernels
16:39<KaiSVK>ifvoid yes :)
16:39<brian>it's just been a while since i've had to do it.
16:39<ifvoid>cool
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16:39<KaiSVK>== :D
16:39<brian>(___)__)=====D
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16:39<ifvoid>brian: btw, hwo is paravirt affecting the driverS?
16:40<ifvoid>I mean, that should live in a totally differet part of the kernel
16:40<brian>ifvoid: que?
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16:41<ifvoid>oh
16:41<ifvoid>KaiSVK:
16:41<ifvoid>brian: sorry
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16:41<KaiSVK>ifvoid I am not kernel expert ;)
16:41<brian>ifvoid: it's ok, just don't ever let it happen again.
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16:41<koollman>ifvoid: well ... it is a very 'basic' part of the kernel
16:41<KaiSVK>ifvoid I am just a ... something little but little more than total noob ;)
16:42<simon444>I am going to start virgining now
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16:42[~]simon444 looks out with a weird face
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16:46<bobacus>someone tell richard branson :)
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16:47<simon444>who the hell is that?
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16:48<Myon>simon444: please try to be less noisy
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16:48<tcsetattr>simon444 --noverbose
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16:49<simon444>Myon, s/n does not apply when there is no signal
16:49|-|Ten changed nick to i
16:49|-|i changed nick to me
16:49<chealer>simon444: the thing is that there *is* a signal
16:49<azeem>simon444: this is a support channel, not a general chat channel
16:50|-|mode/#debian [+o Myon] by Myon
16:50|-|mode/#debian [+q *!*simon@210-84-40-154.dyn.iinet.net.au] by Myon
16:50<chealer>--amen
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16:51<aycko>if i want to disable some init scripts temporarily, do i do that manually?
16:51<tcsetattr>rcconf
16:51<aycko>say i want to disable my tomcat
16:52<KaiSVK>ok
16:52<ifvoid>use file-rc \o/
16:52<KaiSVK>it is done compiling... now what now ?
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16:52<softwork>hi
16:52<softwork>how i install flash player x64 in iceweasel
16:52<softwork>?
16:52<softwork>....
16:52<ifvoid>there is no such thing
16:53<softwork>how i install flash player in debian x64
16:53<ifvoid>there is no such thing
16:53<softwork>?
16:53<ifvoid>and please don't repeat
16:53<ifvoid>we saw your question the first time
16:53<softwork>i dont repeat!!
16:53<ifvoid>softwork: there is no flashplayer for 64 bit
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16:53<softwork>i see
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16:54<aycko>so which is better to use: rcconf or file-rc? i have none installed
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16:54<ifvoid>I like file-rc
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16:54<softwork>how i doo to see flash player content?
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16:54<aycko>ok
16:54<ifvoid>gives you a nice clean text-fiel instead of these directories fll of symlinks
16:55<aycko>i go for file-rc ;)
16:55<tcsetattr>file-rc gives you a config file you can edit. rcconf is a colorful thingy that lets you disable or enable boot scripts by selecting them from a list
16:55<aycko>lol
16:55<twb>I'm waiting for initscripts-ng to get a bit more stable
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16:55<aycko>it sais: You are about to do something potentially harmful.
16:56<twb>The init scripts in Debian right now are atrocious
16:56<tcsetattr>either one is much better than the disgusting update-rc.d
16:56<ifvoid>twb: they are?
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16:56<twb>Yeah
16:56<ifvoid>twb: initscript-ng won't change that, afaik
16:56<twb>Most of it's boilerplate
16:56<aycko>so actually what am i doing right now
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16:56<tcsetattr>you are talking on IRC
16:56<chealer>softwork: the Adobe Flash Player is not distributed for x86-64. you can use another Flash player or install the 32-bit player in a chroot, IIRC.
16:57<aycko>do i get back to a flat init.d structure?
16:57<aycko>when i say yes to file-rc
16:57<chealer>ifvoid: the paravirt issue is in the kernel. it's already fixed.
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16:57<ifvoid>aycko: then just install the old sysv-rc package
16:57<softwork>why adobe dont launch x64 version? lol
16:58<twb>Because they are evil
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16:58<twb>Flash is pretty useless anyway
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16:59<softwork>i need to see video in youtube
16:59<chealer>softwork: ask them
16:59<twb>No you don't.
16:59<twb>mplayer can play youtube videos fine
16:59<softwork>mplayer?
17:00<twb>A/V playing software.
17:00<softwork>i go to test
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17:00<KaiSVk>pls help
17:00<antgel>!pls
17:00<dpkg>Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron.
17:00<twb>KaiSVk: English.
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17:00<KaiSVk>I have my kernel compiled, in a .deb package, and I installed it, but I don't see it in grub, what happend ?
17:01<KaiSVk>twb, allright :)
17:01<twb>KaiSVk: probably you did it wrong.
17:01<twb>KaiSVk: did you use make-kpkg?
17:01<antgel>KaiSVk: your /etc/kernel-pkg.conf didn't call update-grub
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17:01<KaiSVk>antgel yes it did
17:01<twb>That's the other possibility, of course.
17:02<antgel>oops i mean kernel-img.conf, i think. don't remember
17:02<twb>Yes.
17:02<jusae>as a commandline user, what do i use to send and recieve email, i use fetchmail (works a dream), what do i do for sending mail?
17:02<aycko>ifvoid: do i do my changes in runlevel.conf manually via editor?
17:02<chealer>KaiSVk: if you don't mind, why do you use a custom kernel?
17:02<softwork>why debian i386 dont detect 2 CPUS ? i have amd core 2
17:02<twb>jusae: /usr/sbin/sendmail
17:02<azeem>softwork: which version of Debian?
17:02<softwork>debian 4
17:03<twb>jusae: or nc mail 25
17:03<azeem>softwork: why do you think it doesn't?
17:03<ifvoid>aycko: yes
17:03<antgel>KaiSVk: can you see it in ls /boot/vmlinuz-* ?
17:03<softwork>i install debian amd64 and detect
17:03<jusae>standard package install doesn't include sendmail
17:03<aycko>ifvoid: thx
17:03<twb>jusae: there are a number of wrappers around this, such as mailutils and mutt.
17:03<chealer>softwork: which Linux image do you use%
17:03<azeem>softwork: detect what?
17:03<twb>jusae: exim4 provides /usr/sbin/sendmail.
17:03<softwork>i install debian amd64 and detect
17:03<chealer>?
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17:03<twb>jusae: all MTAs do.
17:03<jusae>okay
17:03<twb>Myon: he had it comin.
17:03<softwork>i use debian 4 netinstall
17:03<softwork>i386
17:04<softwork>detect 1CPU
17:04<KaiSVk>antgel that could be my problem
17:04<softwork>if i install debian 4 amd64, detect 2 CPUs
17:04<simon444>softwork, adobe have been working on flash64 for a long time
17:04<chealer>softwork: that doesn't tell me which Linux image you use. the output of $ uname -r; would.
17:04<jusae>twb, where's the config for sending mail?
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17:04<antgel>KaiSVk: how did you build the kernel?
17:04<jusae>i use mutt btw
17:04<twb>jusae: I don't understand the question.
17:05<chealer>softwork: although I can guess pretty safely that you're using the 486 image, which is why your second core isn't used.
17:05<KaiSVk>antgel I did it before, I did it "the debian way"
17:05<twb>By default I believe mutt uses /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail.
17:05<KaiSVk>antgel what with that vmlinuz ?
17:05<softwork>i use 2.6.18-4-486
17:05<twb>It can probably be instructed to speak directly to an SMTP service.
17:05<simon444>softwork, it is best to keep browsing 32bits. Also this means it can't access too much ram after a leak.
17:05<antgel>KaiSVk: except the debian way works. what commands did you type
17:05<chealer>softwork: right, so that's why.
17:05<jusae>sendmail isn't a configuration file, where do I tell it what smtp server to use
17:05<KaiSVk>antgel don't I have to make the vmlinuz ?
17:05<twb>jusae: that depends on your MTA.
17:06<jusae>i used to love mutt
17:06<softwork>i dont no
17:06<jusae>now i'm starting to hate it
17:06<antgel>KaiSVk: are you going to tell me what you did or just keep asking vague questions?
17:06<twb>Of course, if you send mail to a local user via sendmail(8) no SMTP server will be used at all.
17:06<KaiSVk>antgel basicaly this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4468&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=kernel+compilation&start=0
17:06<@Myon>jusae: recent versions have built-in smtp support
17:06<@Myon>but installing ssmtp isn't really hard
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17:07<antgel>KaiSVk: so you did make-kpkg ... , right? can you see your kernel package in ls /usr/src/*deb?
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17:08<KaiSVk>antgel yes I can
17:08<jusae>i using 1.5.13
17:08<twb>antgel: did you actually check kernel-img.conf, or did you take his word for it?
17:08<antgel>twb: he says there's no vmlinuz in /boot
17:08<KaiSVk>antgel it is...
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17:09<twb>There shouldn't be.
17:09<KaiSVk>antgel but when I choose that kernel, it wrote some kernel panic :/
17:09<KaiSVk>twb maybe the same naming ?
17:09<@Myon>jusae: 1.5.16 is on http://backports.org/
17:09<twb>It should be qualified like /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-ticklemeelmo
17:09<antgel>KaiSVk: FFS. i suggest you use a stock kernel
17:09<twb>I agree.
17:09<antgel>twb: i meant vmlinuz<something>
17:10<twb>OK.
17:10<KaiSVk>what ? :(
17:10<antgel>KaiSVk: you come in here, you give minimal info, getting you to say what happened is like getting blood out of a stone, and only at the end do you say that the kernel /is/ installed, but it panics
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17:11<KaiSVk>antgel ok, I try it again ...
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17:11<KaiSVk>antgel maybe if you would have some better howto ?
17:12<antgel>KaiSVk: well, to be fair, i don't know if you just came in - my irc client doesn't display that since the bot attacks ages ago
17:12<jusae>i'm lookin at backports now
17:12<antgel>KaiSVk: yes. good point. don't believe any old crap on the web. read man make-kpkg and whatever is in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package. ISTR some good docs in there
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17:12<jusae>some instructions somewhere would be nice
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17:13<@Myon>click on "instructions" :)
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17:13<jusae>:)
17:14<jusae>i'm smilin, but my head does hurt with understandin linux email
17:14<KaiSVk>antgel thank you very much
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17:14<antgel>jusae: what is wrong with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config then tell it to use the smarthost
17:14<jusae>thats set
17:15<jusae>and the mail server was entered at the time
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17:15<jusae>new mutt has imap support
17:15<antgel>jusae: mutt has had imap support for a long time
17:15<james>is freenode offline?
17:15<dondelelcaro>james: no
17:15<ifvoid>no
17:16<twb>If it is, it's performing remarkably well
17:16<james>hmm..
17:16<james>why can't i connect: trying to get to ubuntu+1
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17:16<azeem>james: this is oftc
17:17<locsmif>and #debian
17:17<james>yeah, but it wont connect to freenode, xchat that is
17:17<azeem>james: try "irc.eu.freenode.net", e.g.
17:17[~]lupine thinks sid should have it's own channel
17:17<lupine>we could call it #suicide-watch
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17:17<lupine>;)
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17:17<twb>Does Debian have a #debian-not-idiots channel?
17:17<ifvoid>no
17:18<ifvoid>we are all idiots
17:18<lupine>"it does now"?
17:18<twb>So that #debian acts as a honeypot for all the ubuntu users
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17:18<jusae>no mail for user1
17:18<frank>hehe
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17:18<jusae>doing my head in
17:18<twb>And people who don't know how to use apt
17:18<twb>Or what an xterm is
17:18<antgel>jusae: so you configured exim, so what's the problem with sending mail?
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17:19[~]antgel wonders why he asked
17:19<ifvoid>twb: #debain-1337
17:19<jusae>its not going to the server
17:19<twb>It's hardly "leet"
17:19<locsmif>twb, you could ignore all lines that have both "ubuntu" and a question mark in it ;)
17:19<twb>Just not "fresh off the boat"
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17:19<chealer>locsmif: if only it would be that easy
17:20<jusae>the logs don't mention anything
17:20|-|dutche [~dutche@200.169.133.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:20<jusae>i'm not sure if mutts configured properly
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17:21<jusae>side note, i smell watermelon
17:21<twb>That's quite an achievement
17:21<jusae>parents are cuttin watermelon, may have to take a break
17:21<jusae>lol
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17:21<twb>Unless it's mouldy
17:21<simon444>!debain
17:21<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
17:22<simon444>Got that? DebIAN.
17:22<@Myon>simon444: stop it
17:22<jusae>i seriously thinkin of dropping the commandline and movin to x
17:22<lupine>jusae: don't do it!
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17:23<lupine>simon444: It was named for the founder's wife...
17:23<dlarge>use both
17:23<simon444>jusae, exile yourself to Plan 9!
17:23<twb>jusae: what would that achieve?
17:23<antgel>lupine: don't be a muppet
17:23<jusae>the applications are better put together
17:24<lupine>Debra + Ian
17:24<lupine>:p
17:24<antgel>jusae: if you can't configure exim in console, you won't be able to configure exim in X
17:24<lupine>touching, really
17:24<me>jusae: or not.
17:24<antgel>yeah i bet we've all spanked the monkey over debra
17:24<jusae>mail server configurations, smarthost sets exim to sendmail, but fetchmail will collect for it
17:25<antgel>wtf?
17:25<ifvoid>jusae: uhm
17:25<ifvoid>jusae: are you sure you should be administrating a mailserver?
17:25<simon444>lupine, and they name their child lenny. Like WTF
17:26<ifvoid>simon444: actually, they're not together anymore afaik
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17:26<simon444>Ian left her for Progeny or something like that
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17:27<jusae>lol
17:27<jusae>learning ifvoid
17:27<tcsetattr>uh oh, are we about to be serviced with a flood?
17:27<ifvoid>be sure to firewall it, then
17:27<jusae>the logs are tellin me sh
17:28<ifvoid>which logs?
17:28<jusae>syslogs and mail.log
17:28<simon444>??
17:28<twb>I'm curious: why does Debian use exim instead of postfix by default?
17:28<simon444>a water flood??
17:28<jusae>yes
17:28<azeem>simon444: please keep it on topic
17:28<antgel>jusae: great. they aren't the exim log. HTH
17:28<twb>I haven't met a single person who doesn't like postfix
17:28<ifvoid>I don't like postfix
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17:28<jusae>where are the exim logs?
17:28<me>postfix < exim.
17:29<ifvoid>jusae: /var/log/exim/
17:29<twb>How so?
17:29<antgel>i don't like any mail server, come on, there's so many things to like first! :)
17:29<ifvoid>exim has a nice generic expansion language
17:29<ifvoid>postfix depends on all kinds of local syntax stuff
17:29<tcsetattr>an MTA that doesn't direct its logs to mail.log (the LOG_MAIL facility)? sounds like antisocial behavior
17:29<antgel>ah yes, what everyone needs in a smtp server, a generic expansion language
17:30<antgel>tcsetattr: it's a debian packaging decision
17:30<tcsetattr>bad one, obviously :)
17:30<jusae>it says its reading the email from the mail server
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17:31<ifvoid>antgel: yes
17:31<ifvoid>antgel: that's exactly what you want
17:31<ifvoid>antgel: because it means you can replace _any_ variable or list by an ldap query
17:31<ifvoid>or a mysql query
17:31<ifvoid>or a textfile lookup
17:31<antgel>ifvoid: actually, i couldn't care less about it :P any of them work for my simple needs
17:31<ifvoid>or whatever you want
17:32<jusae>thats what i have, simple needs
17:32<jusae>i think mutts givin me crap
17:32<ifvoid>then use nullmailer
17:32<jusae>exim says its sending them to the mail server
17:32<antgel>yes! i want to have my mail server configuration stored in an ldap server. preferably Active Directory with extra sprinklies :P
17:33<ifvoid>uh yes
17:33<twb>I wish I was smart enough to set up LDAP
17:34<jusae>the email address looks like user1@example.com@mail.example.com
17:34<jusae>wtf
17:34<twb>I don't want to know if that's a valid address.
17:34<jusae>ur havin a laugh
17:34<ifvoid>!ur
17:34<dpkg>Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya.
17:35<antgel>twb: ldap is pretty painful, even though debian packages try to help config via debconf
17:35<twb>languages aren't based on scripts.
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17:35<twb>antgel: I kno
17:35<twb>...w
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17:36<twb>I'd love if I could just throw a switch and have everything use ldap
17:36<twb>It's nearly that simple for using nis.
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17:36<jusae>does it matter that there is no domain controller?
17:36<antgel>twb: setting up smbldap-tools was one of my most painful sysadmin experiences
17:36<twb>I think part of the problem is that LDAP is just a database, and there's no consensus on how stuff like /etc/hosts should be stored in it (i.e. the schema).
17:37<antgel>jusae: wtf?
17:37<jusae>u ctrl+c that stuff cos i wrote some on the ldap at uni
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17:37<jusae>thats the reason i'm fummin right now
17:37<twb>So if you want to use samba, you need to set ldap up on way, and if you want to be unix-like you set it up another way, and maybe "machines" counts as users and maybe they don't, and ...
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17:37<twb>>headaches<
17:38<jusae>i here u
17:38<antgel>*nod* and it doesn't use pam (samba that is)
17:38<twb>If I had >>2 machines, I might care
17:38<antgel>or didn't when i had to set it up
17:38<twb>As it is, I still use NIS and DNS
17:38<jusae>i need the system to work
17:38<oddtod>hey guys i'm running ipcop and want to restrict net access but still have SMTP work i can't use a proxy to block it does any one know how i can achieve this ?
17:38<jusae>u can get away with digital murder with ur own dns server
17:38<JasonS>oddtod: freenode has a #ipcop
17:38<oddtod>i've disabled this computer at the router but now email isn't working
17:38<oddtod>thanks jasons
17:39<antgel>jusae: are you going to type properly or am i going to /ig you?
17:39<JasonS>just be patient should you go there
17:39<jusae>just tired man, why you buggin?
17:39<dkr>lol
17:40<dkr>"buggin'"? that's so 1980s
17:40<antgel>jusae: because it's like reading the ramblings of an illiterate child
17:40<twb>antgel: *semi-literate
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17:40<antgel>yeah, i guess
17:40<jusae>you guys make me feel so at home
17:40<twb>It sounded more like ebonics to me.
17:41<twb>Possibly due to my lack of exposure to SMS
17:41<dkr>you be illin'
17:41<antgel>twb: it's amazing, in .uk, kids and teens now think that that's good enough. we're bringing up a generation of thickos
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17:42<twb>antgel: speak for yourself; I turned down a TA position
17:42<antgel>twb: TA?
17:42<twb>Teaching assistant
17:42<twb>The people that act as a bridge between professors and students
17:42<jusae>woohoo, i went to cambridge and had a research lab
17:43<twb>Kinda like proctors, only they can speak
17:43<jusae>did advanced digital image processing, worked at toshiba, intel and amd went it started
17:43<antgel>i was told by an ex teacher the other month that now they aren't even allowed to mark pupils down for bad english, as the teachers are supposed to be grateful that the kids write anything down
17:43<jusae>*when
17:43<twb>jusae: I'm not interested in your CV.
17:44<twb>antgel: it's a disgrace.
17:44<antgel>it's "dumb-down" britain
17:44<twb>They stopped teaching syntax in Australian schools around 1940
17:44<jusae>where were you educated antgel?
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17:45<antgel>basically, everyone gets supressed to the LCD so nobody feels left out for being lazy and arrogant
17:45<antgel>jusae: .uk
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17:45<antgel>*suppressed
17:45<jusae>what uni
17:45<twb>I went through IB matriculation, that was pretty good.
17:45<twb>The local matriculation is a joke, though.
17:45<antgel>jusae: king's college, university of london
17:46<jusae>nice, british ivry league
17:46<jusae>now u work at bt
17:46<antgel>jusae: but i could spell by then :)
17:46<jusae>i was published at 13
17:46<antgel>jusae: did it hurt?
17:47<jusae>i took my a'level's at 15
17:47<twb>antgel: damn, beat me to it.
17:47<twb>jusae: when did you cure cancer?
17:47<jusae>17
17:47<antgel>twb: how's quality of life in .au? i'm pondering departing .uk, and i'm told that life in .au is the good life
17:48<jusae>it wasn't full cancer, just a possible link to beast cancer
17:48<twb>antgel: well, cost of living is substantially lower
17:48<jusae>genetic argorithms
17:48<ifvoid>it's too hot in .au
17:48<twb>antgel: and housing is a lot cheaper, I presume
17:48<antgel>basically, how's crime and education, and the friendliness of the people?
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17:48<twb>ifvoid: dude, it was a maximum of 9°C last week
17:48<jusae>aus was nice when i went there
17:48<jusae>i got lad
17:48<ifvoid>twb: uh yeah
17:48<antgel>is it a country where people like people who try hard, and few people sit on their arse
17:48<ifvoid>twb: pretty hot for winter season
17:48<antgel>jusae: freudian slip?
17:48<jusae>with this seriously fit girl
17:48<twb>antgel: hahahaha
17:49<jabo23>hola
17:49<twb>!es
17:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:49<jusae>u try things when ur younger and secure
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17:49<twb>ifvoid: bah
17:49<tcsetattr>hmm..
17:49<jusae>she's one of the dancers on that music video
17:49<locsmif>u had ure own lab in cambridge?
17:50<jusae>could be new zealand
17:50<jusae>yes
17:50<twb>Not having to wear three coats of fur in winter is an advantage
17:50<locsmif>1337!
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17:50<antgel>twb: what's work prospects like in hi-tech?
17:50<jusae>back then
17:50<ifvoid>have snow in winter is nice \o/
17:50<jusae>not know
17:50<twb>antgel: not so good, I think
17:50<twb>Unless you like AIX
17:50<jusae>no custom compiler, no sparks
17:50<jusae>no nada
17:50<twb>Or RHEL
17:50<tcsetattr>there should be one of those other-language factoids for people like jusae. el33tohablantes: go to #debian-AOL u'll luv it!!!
17:51<twb>tcsetattr: there is
17:51<twb>!leet
17:51<dpkg>/me is leet cos he can start lines with a /
17:51<twb>!1337
17:51<dpkg>1337 is, like, lamer talk for cool,, or shitkitty talk, or http://www.googlism.com/where_is/1/1337/
17:51<antgel>twb: what about consulting, project management, business analysis etc?
17:51<twb>Ugh, it's something like that
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17:51<twb>antgel: NFI, that stuff is evil
17:51<antgel>i can fix cars and motorbikes too, and i'm good at diy :D
17:51<jusae>does anyone remember the guy who wrote some of the dpkg comments?
17:51<JasonS>jusae: have to be a bit less vague on that one
17:52<dondelelcaro>which ones?
17:52<antgel>twb: yeah, but i mean on software projects, not random business boring crap
17:52<twb>antgel: if you go to luv.asn.au, you can ask luv-talk@luv.asn.au what job prospects are like in Melbourne.
17:52<twb>Outside of Melbourne and Sydney work is pretty scarce, tech-wise.
17:52<jusae>dpkg auto response stuff
17:52<JasonS>jusae: just about anyone
17:52<antgel>after the bath i'm about to get into, i'll do just that
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17:52<antgel>!antgel
17:52<dpkg>[antgel] cool ;)
17:52<antgel>hmm
17:52<twb>I guess LUV is mainly for sysadmins, though.
17:53<twb>I don't do application development because everyone wants Java and Python and PHP, and they are horrible languages.
17:53<jusae>java isn't horrible
17:54<antgel>i'm well past all the idealistic crap, and if they pay me, i'll do it :)
17:54<antgel>apart from selling my body
17:54<twb>I'd rather sell my body than my mind
17:54<twb>I use the latter more
17:54<JasonS>antgel: yep pretty interesting what we'll do when we get older and have responsbilities
17:55<twb>I'd rather flip burgers than write PHP
17:55<nvz>twb: heh
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17:55<JasonS>probibly more money flipping burgers
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17:55<antgel>JasonS: yeah, it's the real world. whenever i get in a consulting position, i do try to recommend and deploy FOSS wherever i can, but i'm not trying to change the world any more
17:55<twb>It's like not doing work for the mafia
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17:56<antgel>although, maybe the best way to help change the world is to do my little bit
17:56<twb>Hey, I work with non-FOSS stuff sometimes
17:56<twb>I'm not idealistic, just principled.
17:57<antgel>yeah i know it wasn't a foss/non-foss discussion, i just meant it as an ideal / non-ideal project to work on
17:57<JasonS>and we dont have principles is what you're saying twb ?
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17:57<JasonS>;)
17:57<twb>JasonS: if you write PHP, you're either unprincipled or ill-informed
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17:57<antgel>twb: bit condescending, no?
17:58<JasonS>twb: or have bills to pay
17:58<JasonS>heck i'd work for bill gates if he'd offer me a gig
17:58<antgel>if someone wants php, my first question is "why don't we use X instead". if they don't want to, their loss
17:58[~]twb points to "unprincipled"
17:58<JasonS>twb: just curious how young are you?
17:58<twb>22
17:58<ranix>how big is an int in POSIX?
17:58<antgel>i dislike php as much as the next person, but the pain of writing it is outweighed by the money
17:58<JasonS>yep
17:58<ranix>2 bytes or 4 bytes
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17:59<ranix>in current debian specifically
17:59<ranix>in C
17:59<twb>ranix: it's architecture-specific.
17:59<JasonS>twb: give it a couple of years when you have a mortage, car payments, bills, kids then we'll talk about what you will or won't work with :)
17:59<ranix>em64t
17:59<twb>JasonS: I refuse to have those things
17:59<JasonS>twb: famous last words
17:59<JasonS>fact i used them myself
17:59<ranix>686?
17:59<antgel>twb: give it a couple of years, then we'll see what you have :P
17:59<twb>I got rid of my care
17:59<twb>*car
18:00<JasonS>antgel: indeed
18:00<twb>OTOH, I have fully financed my student loans
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18:00<twb>That is to say, paid them
18:00<antgel>twb: what you /will/ realise is that you can keep your principles and have the other stuff too, no need to be so black and white
18:01[~]antgel bathes
18:01<twb>I don't want a mortgage
18:01<twb>I don't want kids
18:01<ranix>if I was going to make a program for my P4 running Debian - in C - that took an unsigned 4 byte variable and put it in an int, would it overflow?
18:01<ranix>or is int 32 bits
18:01<twb>All I really want is to not have to get up until noon, and not starve and not catch pneumonia
18:01<ifvoid>ranix: probably not, in this specific case
18:01<bobacus>Probably
18:01<ifvoid>ranix: but you should just use (u)int32_t
18:02<ranix>What is happening is that a retard is assigning a pointer's address to an int
18:02<twb>I've been wondering if I should go live in a monastery for a few years to toughen up
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18:02<ranix>and I need to find out why it dies
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18:03<twb>ranix: hooray for C :-/
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18:03<tcsetattr>int is not guaranteed to be as big as pointer
18:03<ifvoid>casting pointers to unsigned ints on i386 linux works perfectly fine
18:03<twb>Exactly.
18:03<ranix>tanks ifvoid
18:03<ranix>I was afraid of that :(
18:03<ifvoid>it's only on 64 bit archs that it fails
18:03<twb>C is theoretically-portable assembly
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18:14<localhost>Hi all. My ubuntu box apt-get is currently screwed up.
18:14<localhost>The perfect excuse for me to change to debian
18:14|-|localhost changed nick to Flair
18:14<ranix>thanks guys, apparently that wasn't te problem
18:14<ranix>:(
18:14<Flair>however I'm at work right now, is there a way where I can remotely install deb over the ubuntu box?
18:15<ranix>burn a 120 megabyte net install
18:15<ranix>or is it smaller than that now
18:15<Flair>lol but that means I'll have to put the cd into the box itself =/
18:16<ifvoid>Flair: debootstrap debian onto it
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18:17<Flair>ok I'll do research on that
18:17<Flair>thanks
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18:47<kurumin>#punk
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18:51<dropshot>hi
18:51<dropshot>i'm running debian
18:52<dropshot>and using bitchx
18:52<tcsetattr>you want we should applaud?
18:52<dropshot>but every time i try to connect to a irc server using ssl "/server irc.debian.org +7000" it brings me to this server.
18:52<dropshot>...
18:52<peterS>dropshot: is that just an observation, or did you have a question about this?
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18:52<dropshot>...
18:52<dropshot>right
18:53<monoxide>sup
18:53<tcsetattr>there are SSL IRC servers?
18:53<monoxide>can someone tell me how to close xserver
18:53<peterS>yes, this one supports ssl
18:53<monoxide>so I can install a nvidia driver
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18:53<monoxide>I looked at the man pages and it said xserver -terminate
18:53<dropshot>any idea why it would do that?
18:53<monoxide>but that does not work
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18:53<witte>monoxide: /etc/init.d/{g,k,w}dm stop
18:54<monoxide>thank you witte
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18:56<twb>I'm amazed that wdm would get a mention when xdm didn't
18:56<witte>twb: I use wdm, and forgot xdm
18:57<witte>twb: i think 95% of the people who have to ask that question use gdm or kdm btw
18:57<twb>Obviously
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18:58<twb>I'm only using gdm because startx doesn't work in screen and ICBF finding the debconf setting to change it
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18:58<twb>(Going off on a tangent...)
18:59<monoxide>witte, that had only closed gnome but I was unable to get to a terminal to install the driver
18:59<twb>monoxide: C-M-f1
18:59<monoxide>twb, what is that suppose to mean
18:59<witte>what twb says, with M being the meta or alt key
19:00<monoxide>ahh
19:00<monoxide>then a terminal will appear
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19:00<twb>It's Emacs keychord notation
19:00<monoxide>so /ect/include/gdm was the path
19:00<twb>It means press and hold control and press and hold alt and press f1 and release alt and release control
19:01<witte>monoxide, no /etc/init.d/gdm stop
19:01<monoxide>witte, sorry about that I had it pasted before
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19:02<monoxide>ok brb :D
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19:06<Cave`>anyone knows when linux-source-2.6.22 will be in testing repo (yes im a nvidia user) ?
19:07<witte>Cave`: in principle 10 days after it was in unstable
19:07<witte>when there are no serious problems
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19:07<Cave`>okay, then soon :) Is there a release date for kde4
19:07<Cave`>*are
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19:08<witte>http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html
19:08<Cave`>thanks
19:08<witte>Cave': at least 9 days i guess
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19:09<monoxide>witte, sorry to ask this of you, but where can I locate libc, I do not see it listed in synaptic
19:09<monoxide>I have GCC and so on installed
19:09<witte>There is a search function, search for libc6
19:10<monoxide>that is quite odd, it is already listed as installed
19:10<witte>that should be
19:10<witte>I doubt that your system would work very well without
19:10<monoxide>lol
19:11<tcsetattr>libc6 is not the whole thing. It's the minimum. Other parts of the GNU libc package are called, in Debian, "libc6-dev", "libc6-dbg", and other similar names.
19:11<monoxide>maybe ill head back to ubuntu forums
19:11<witte>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1324 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
19:11<witte>that is what apt-get says if i want to remove libc6 ;-)
19:11<monoxide>lol
19:11<monoxide>well I know I would not want to remove that one
19:11<monoxide>lol
19:14<monoxide>I have install the other resources for libc so maybe that will solve the issue, I had followed the nvidia forum and removed the linux-restricted modules and common
19:14<monoxide>so maybe they had guided me wrong
19:14<monoxide>ill be back once more
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19:17<dropshot>anyone else use bitchx?
19:17<dropshot>wait... is this even a help chan?
19:18<witte>dropshot: yes, yes, but not for bitchx
19:18<witte>unless your question is very basic :P
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19:18<dropshot>well, seems like amsg doesn't work in bitchx
19:18<dropshot>i mean /amsg
19:18<twb>dropshot: yeah, it probably has dozens of users
19:18<dropshot>sending a message to every channel you are on
19:19<dropshot>twb: what has dozens of users?
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19:19<twb>bitchx
19:19<witte>dropshot: i would call that a feature, not a bug ;-)
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19:19<dropshot>irssi rox huh?
19:19<monoxide>witte, it worked after installing the lib6-dev package
19:19<dropshot>a bug. who called it a bug
19:19<twb>It has poor Emacs integration.
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19:20<witte>twb: do you work with a irc client in emacs? which and how?
19:20<witte>monoxide: nice :-)
19:21<monoxide>the nvidia windows driver is unstable and causes alot of crashes
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19:21<monoxide>they dont seem to like eachother much
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19:22<witte>monoxide: don't know, i don't use it, my hardware is not good enough for that :-)
19:22<twb>witte: Emacs includes ERC and rcirc. The latter is relatively new and small; the former has many modules. Alternatives include circe, zenirc and liece/riece, but these must be installed separately.
19:22<interbird>How can I change the default (hal/udev) mount-options for a usb harddisk ?
19:23<twb>You can try it out with M-x irc or M-x erc.
19:23<monoxide>witte, I think my xsys plugin is out of date because it tells me that my display is video[nVidia Corporation udigy2 Value] not the 8500
19:23<monoxide>8600*
19:23<antgel>interbird: have you read the udev docs? there is one in particular that is very thorough
19:23<twb>monoxide: what does lspci report?
19:24<witte>twb: I have not really looked into it. I use emacs, but i am not a lisp programmer or anything remotely like that.
19:24<monoxide>nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0400 (rev a1)
19:24<twb>One need not know Lisp to use Emacs.
19:24<witte>twb: I now use bitchx because it works without configuring. But i will look into irc and erc...
19:24<interbird>antgel: not yet, been playing with /etc/hal/fdi/policy files, but cannot get it to work
19:24<antgel>interbird: so RTFM
19:24<twb>bitchx should be condemned merely for it's offensive quit messages
19:24<witte>twb: i know, but i am just beginning to learn emacs' strengts
19:24<monoxide>witte, twb : there was no pre compiled kernal on nvidia's ftp so it compiled its own
19:25<antgel>rather than fucking about and wasting your time
19:25<twb>witte: by all means stop by #emacs on freenode.
19:25<interbird>antgel: I know, I was just looking for a quick answer to !RTFM :-)
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19:26<witte>twb: I should, but i also should waste less time on irc :P
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19:26<twb>Shrug
19:26<twb>#emacs is the best way to learn about Emacs.
19:26<antgel>interbird: i think it's only fair to rtfm before expecting pro-bono support on irc
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19:26<twb>antgel: hit him with Moen's smart questions howto
19:26<witte>I will add it to my list, is it only freenode, or also on this server
19:27<twb>witte: only on freenode
19:27<witte>twb: ok, thanks
19:28<antgel>twb: just out of interest, not looking for a flamewar, but why do some people love to do so much in emacs? i just don't understand it. is it that the apps are well-featured, or the integration? personally i prefer to use a dedicated app for each task as i /assume/ it will be more focused
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19:28<antgel>is it just a showing-off look what my editor can do thing? :P
19:28<twb>antgel: because it has better integration than, say, GNOME
19:28<tcsetattr>for bonus points, who was it that first said "Emacs is a nice operating system, but I prefer unix"
19:29<twb>For example, if you customize how interactive regexp searching works, then ALL your Emacs apps inherit that change
19:29<monoxide>witte, twb: thanks for the support :D I am gone to mess up more things :p
19:29<antgel>well i don't use gnome either - i guess i don't care (or know) about integration as you know it
19:29<witte>antgel: I use it primerally because it is ideal for editing latex, but i use it for every text editing
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19:29<twb>Emacs isn't an operating system, it's a desktop environment and windowing system.
19:30<twb>If you want an OS, try movitz with LiCE, which fits on a floppy and boots about 100 times faster than Debian
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19:30<antgel>witte: i use it for auctex, i agree it's great - i use it for most coding, but for quick stuff i dip into vim
19:30<interbird>antgel: like the fairness of being a dump symlink to rtfm, like you ?
19:30<twb>(And doesn't do much except edit text)
19:30<antgel>interbird: what?
19:30<tcsetattr>apparently it was Tom Christaensen.
19:31<witte>antgel: my pc's are not new, but starting emacs does not take longer than vim, and if you are accustomed to the key bindings, it is faster...
19:31<tcsetattr>or Tom Christiansen even.
19:31<twb>witte: one normally only boots Emacs once a year
19:31<witte>(faster than switching between vi an emacs keybindings)
19:31<witte>twb: lol
19:31<twb>I'm serious
19:31<antgel>interbird: if you don't read the rtfm, /i/ am not going to help. if you can't be bothered, why should i? if someone else does, good luck
19:32<witte>twb; i shut my pc down, and have emacs under windowsbutton-e
19:32<antgel>s/rtfm/fm
19:32<twb>witte: once per boot, then
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19:32<antgel>twb: yeah, to be fair i'm not good enough to use emacs in an xterm so i run it as an X app
19:32<witte>twb: normally only once yes :-)
19:32<twb>Booting Emacs over NFS on a 1.6GHz Sempron, it takes about 2 seconds here.
19:33<twb>If you have a .emacs then trivial refactoring can significantly reduce boot time by deferring loading of modules until they're actually needed
19:33<interbird>antgel: i'll refraise my question: is the handling of mount options for usb-storage handled by hal or udev or both or none ?
19:34<witte>emacs -nw runs reasonably fast (1-2 s) on my old hppa 132 mhz pc, over ssh...
19:34<locsmif>interbird, what options exactly?
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19:34<antgel>interbird: i'm pretty sure it's udev, assuming you mean permissions etc
19:35<antgel>interbird: in terms of the creation of the device node in /dev
19:35<interbird>locsmif: the default options when mounting an usb disk, like noexec, i would like to turn that off
19:35<antgel>interbird: ah. how are you mounting it?
19:35<interbird>antgel: i'm not assuming file-permissions but mount-options
19:36<antgel>interbird: ^^
19:36<interbird>antgel: it gets automaunted by udev i guess
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19:36<antgel>interbird: i mean, are you mounting it with mount, pmount, or using gnome or kde?
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19:37<interbird>antgel: i am in gnome, ahh haven't thought of the gnome-volume manager yet... thanx !
19:38<interbird>antgel: there i was, almost reading the complete udev manual, see how simple it is to put someone in the right direction ? :-)
19:39<antgel>yeah, when in gnome, remember that they re-invented most things :P
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19:39<antgel>okay, even i can see that's trolling, time for bed :D
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19:45<interbird>it's even worse. i've solved this one before now i see the solution. it's in the gconf repository. i must be using gnome too much...
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20:11<eurisko>hi everyone, i have a synaptics touchpad, which is working but i would like to use the kde app for the trackpad so i can enable and disable it, that app Ksynaptics asked to add a line to the touchpad section in the xorg.conf which i have done , and restarted the X, but it keeps asking to do it
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20:12<eurisko>"Shared Memory is not accessible , please add the option ... "
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20:15<dli>eurisko, mount|grep shm
20:16<eurisko>tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
20:17<eurisko>it should be suid?
20:17<dli>eurisko, oh, wrong suggestion, try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=196526
20:18<jusae>i'm trying to setup the mail server using the default debian install, is the mail server an internet site or a smarthost?
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20:19<dli>jusae, you should know the answer :(
20:19<jusae>i'm still workin on what exim4 does exactly
20:19<jusae>currently its giving me a hardache
20:19<jusae>and nothing else
20:20<jusae>:)
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20:20<lupine>jusae: a smarthost would use another smtp server to deliver the mail
20:20<ranix>jusae: I am good with exim4, but my h key is broken
20:20<ranix>what can I do for you
20:21<ranix>repeat te problem please
20:21[~]lupine glares at courier-mta
20:21<lupine>it's... just... *eating* the mails
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20:21<ranix>what are you using for te mail delivery
20:21<ranix>Maildir or the file format
20:21<jusae>whatever debian email server installed
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20:22<jusae>i'm not sure
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20:22<ranix>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
20:22<jusae>thats where i am, right now
20:22<ranix>set some tings in tere, use Maildir delivery
20:22<jusae>i got maildir set
20:22<ranix>ok, now tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog
20:22<ranix>and send it an email
20:22<ranix>paste me in a pm wat it does
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20:23<jusae>is an email server using exim4, a smarthost or an internet site, not sure what the difference is
20:23<ranix>you migt be regretting it now, but exim4 really IS te best MTA
20:23<ranix>exim4 is an MTA, mail transfer agent
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20:24<ranix>i.e. it can accept smtp on a given port and send it somewere
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20:24<ranix>it's only a piece of te puzzle
20:24<ranix>just do te tail -f on /var/log/exim4/mainlog, send it a mail, and paste me what it adds to te tail
20:24<jusae>okay, as a newbie to email servers, in your opinion, should i set exim to internet site or smarthost?
20:25<ranix>smarthost is when you ave an external mail server tat gets and stores all your email
20:25<ranix>ten anoter client connects to that smartost and downloads all te mail en masse
20:25<ranix>ten it sorts it and delivers it to recipients
20:26<ranix>te smarthost takes all email in and doesn't sort it, it just waits for te client to bulk download it all
20:26<ranix>you probably, terefore, want interhet site
20:26<ranix>sorry about te lazy keyboard
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20:26<jusae>no errors in mainlog
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20:26<ranix>what does it give
20:26<ranix>I need to see output
20:27<jusae>start q/end q
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20:27<ranix>you can cull domain names if it makes you appier
20:27<ranix>did you send it a mail yet
20:27<twb>jusae: a smart host can accept mail for a third host and relay it
20:27<recklesso>so the cisco channel on here is kinda dead... anyone know of another network that has an active one?
20:27<jusae>within the mail server?
20:27<twb>jusae: a "non-smart" host only knows how to deliver mail for local users
20:28<jusae>send a test email on the server itself?
20:28<ranix>yes
20:28<jusae>thxs twb
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20:28<twb>e.g. mail.fooisp.net is probably a smart host, but your server isn't.
20:28<ranix>I want to see where it gets delivered
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20:29<jusae>okay give me a sec
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20:32<ranix>come on dude
20:32<ranix>echo harbl
20:32<ranix>echo harbl | sendmail localhost
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20:32<jusae>grrr
20:32<jusae>newbie
20:32<ranix>haha
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20:33<jusae>u big, me small
20:33<ranix>exim is pretty crazy so don't worry about it
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20:33<jusae>i can't find the echo command
20:34<ranix>I'll give you a hint
20:34<ranix>it's in /usr/bin
20:34<jusae>366 possibilities
20:34<jusae>cool hint
20:34<ranix>ls /usr/bin | grep echo
20:35<jusae>expand your hintin prawess
20:35<jusae>no output on that grep function
20:35<ranix>uname -r
20:36<jusae>2.6.18-4-686
20:36<eurisko>dli my xfree86 package with the synaptics driver dosen't install the synaptic_drivers.so , but the xorg one does. but in the end of the link you sent me basicly he is using the old xfree86 driver in xorg, any other sugestion?
20:36<jusae>the machines aren't connected to the internet
20:36<ranix>oh wait a minute, are you the guy who debootstrapped his machine?
20:36<jusae>me?
20:36<ranix>yes
20:36<lupine>hmm. I have the following error when I attempt to send email for delivery to an account local to my SMTP server: Configuration error: mail loops back to myself (MX problem).
20:36<jusae>no
20:37<jusae>i might off about 10 years ago
20:37<jusae>runnin dma tests on the ide bus
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20:37<ranix>I don't know ow to fix "my computer doesn't have echo" without the internet
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20:37<ranix>touch foo | ls | grep foo | sendmail localhost
20:38<jusae>it does have echo
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20:38<jusae>i did the > echo harbl | sendmail localhost < command
20:38<ranix>and wat happened
20:38<jusae>it says completed
20:39<ranix>k good, paste me the output
20:39<ranix>that you got in mainlog
20:39<ranix>sould be like two lines
20:39<lupine>Hey... I don't *have* an MX record. WTF?
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20:39<lupine>I had one this morning, lol :s
20:40<jusae>its more like 12 lines or something
20:40<jusae>one error that sticks out is SA: Action: Not running SA because...
20:41<jusae>something about SAEximRunCond expand returned :'0'
20:41<ranix>lol lupine
20:42<jusae>spamassain
20:43<eurisko>i am completely lost, can someone give me hints regarding the configuration of volume control, backlight on laptop
20:43<ranix>ok jusae, my honest answer is just use qmail
20:43<abrotman>ew
20:43<jusae>lol
20:44[~]lupine adds MX records and tries again
20:44<ranix>eurisko: check some info on xmodmap, and google for your laptop's model number
20:45<eurisko>i ve been trying to find stuff about my laptop, but it isn't a really common one
20:45<ranix>the backlight has to do with ACPI
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20:45<eurisko>so the rest are like special keyboard keys?
20:46<ranix>depends, what model of laptop
20:46<eurisko>it's a PB-bu-42
20:46<lupine>Nope; same thing. I suspect that the MTS doesn't realise that stuff addressed to @lupine.me.uk is for it...
20:47<ranix>I tink you have a bad model number tere eurisko
20:47<ranix>is it... packard bell?
20:47<eurisko>yeah
20:47<ranix>good lord, and good luck
20:47<jusae>they play with there motherboards
20:47<ranix>lupine: should be able to set its own domain in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
20:47<eurisko>i am screwed?
20:48<eurisko>;)
20:48<jusae>no
20:48<lupine>it's not exim ;)
20:48<twb>pre-lenovo thinkpads are best
20:48<eurisko>yeah i know, but my pocket was low on money
20:48<twb>they are subject to Maximum LoveTM
20:48<eurisko>i already miss my ibook g4
20:49<twb>apple laptops are a close second
20:49<eurisko>my ibook disk controler died, so it just works booting by firewire... :(
20:49<ranix>I got a delicious $300 compaq evo
20:49<lupine>AHA
20:49<lupine>Fix0red
20:49<ranix>what was it lup
20:49<eurisko>this pb was 699, i guess it was a excelent price!
20:50<lupine>I hadn't listed my domain in a random undocumented file :D
20:50<ranix>whoa what? what are the specs eurisko
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20:51<eurisko>core 2 duo 2.0 ghz, 1 gb ram (single channel) ddr2, 120 gb seagate momentus, gma 950, webcam, finger print reader, 12.1" , 1.9 kg
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20:52<jusae>price included vista?
20:52<eurisko>yup
20:52<eurisko>couldn't remove vista
20:52<jusae>cos thats what sucks about being a linux user
20:52<eurisko>i tried, but they didn't refund
20:53<eurisko>they told me to , deliver it all, that they would give me all the money back ... :(
20:53<jusae>i got 20 xp pro serials, tattoo'd to machines that i dont need
20:53<lupine>Could someone can attempt to email me? I want to make sure I can receive emails from random joes... :) Email is "nick@lupine.me.uk"
20:53<ranix>heu eurisko, instead of looking for bu42 look for bu45
20:53<eurisko>there are lots of BU's
20:54<ranix>45 has the same case
20:54<eurisko>just procesor or disk change
20:54<ranix>therefore, probably the same button configuration
20:54<ranix>and more hits in google
20:54<twb>So basically it's powerful enough to run about a half-dozen laptops
20:54<twb>>grumble<
20:54<eurisko>ohh yes mine is BU45-62
20:54<ranix>oh ok
20:55<twb>lupine: done
20:55<ranix>I'm going to have trouble searching for that because it's mostly european
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20:55<eurisko>i still keep thinking if the eula tells me that i can ask for the refund is it the OS or the full packge?
20:55<ranix>and I'm a dumb american, so I don't speak barbarous languages
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20:56<lupine>thanks
20:56<ranix>eurisko: tell them you rejected the EULA for windows
20:56[~]lupine checks
20:56<ranix>if you need to return it
20:56<eurisko>i told them
20:56<twb>ranix: American is a barbarous language.
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20:56<ranix>they can get reimbursed by their microsoft licenser
20:57<lupine>heh. 513 Relaying denied.
20:57<eurisko>they told me to give back the computer also
20:57<ranix>yeah that's the deal
20:57<eurisko>lol
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20:57<ranix>but I would spend more time getting linux working
20:57<ranix>it's a nice laptop for the money
20:57<eurisko>i found a castellian article
20:57<kurumin>oi alguém me explica o que é isto
20:57<eurisko>o que?
20:57<ranix>twb: I don't speak American, I speak Queen's English
20:58<eurisko>kurumin este canal so se fala inglês penso eu
20:58<ranix>!sp
20:58<dpkg>sp is, like, troubled: you stats pimp!
20:58<kurumin>tudo bém
20:58<ranix>:P
20:58<kurumin>descupe eu não falo
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20:59<eurisko>lol
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21:01<jusae>i think with dual core, the os sits on one and the apps sit on the other, its suppose to make the system smoother
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21:02<twb>Argh, I lost my snippet reminding me how to join two images together with montage
21:02<eurisko>atk acpi is something specific?
21:03<twb>jusae: uh, only if it's AMP. Most systems are SMP
21:05<ranix>AMP= asymetrical multiprocessing
21:05<eurisko>its probable that i have a asus motherboard inside my packard hell?
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21:05<ranix>mm
21:05<ranix>asus? you're fucked
21:05<ranix>welcome to RMA, population you
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21:06<eurisko>RMA? its still workin :)
21:06<ranix>asus and foxconn are bunbuddies
21:06<ranix>their head engineers went to the same community college
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21:08<ranix>ey nice eurisko, it's 12"
21:09<ranix>yeah st
21:09<ranix>i
21:09<ranix>stick wit it and see if you can get it to work
21:09<eurisko>i am trying
21:09<eurisko>because the laptop is cool, just battery sucks
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21:10<eurisko>i'll get a six cells one later
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21:11<jusae>where's the docs for exim and examples and stuff
21:11<ranix>spex.txt
21:11<ranix>spec.txt, sorry
21:11<jusae>is it var/share/docs ?
21:12<jusae>path please
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21:12<ranix>usr/share/doc/exim4/spec.txt
21:12<ranix>come on dude wean off the nipple
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21:12<lupine>Got it!
21:12<lupine>Yet another undocumented file, lol
21:12<ranix>this isn't jubumboo linux anymore
21:13<ranix>where are you finding these files, lupine
21:13<lupine>They aren't even created by default
21:13<lupine>I'm using google which is searching mailing lists
21:13<ranix>weird
21:13<lupine>http://osdir.com/ml/mail.imap.courier.general/2002-10/msg00154.html is what helped in the end
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21:15<jusae>ranix i tryin
21:15<jusae>i'm tryin
21:15<eurisko>brb
21:16<lupine>Of course, I currently have /no/ anti-spam installed... that's going to be a pain
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21:17<eurisko>back
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21:18<ranix>wb
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21:18<Catas>HEY RANIX
21:18<Catas>I NEED TO TALK TO YOU
21:18<jusae>why does everyone seem to point to courier or postfix and yet exim4 is still default?
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21:18<ranix>hi
21:18<Catas>hi how are you today
21:18<manphiz>how's the 'glade' removal status? It's been a valid candidate to remove for a while, which will let glade-3 enter testing. But it still doesn't happen. Any problem with the ftp team?
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21:19<Catas>well okay stay out of trouble
21:19<Catas>bye
21:19<jusae>i was alot better at this stoned
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21:19<lupine>no... you just thought you were ;)
21:19<ranix>that was weird
21:19<lupine>anyway, mine's all set up, woo
21:19<chealer>manphiz: it was already removed from sid
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21:20<manphiz>chealer, oh i see. so the problem is it should be removed from testing too?
21:21<chealer>manphiz: I don't see how having glade in testing would be a problem. maybe.
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21:23<manphiz>chealer, they are conflicting, since glade-3 cannot enter testing because it's lacking of several package which glade should provide, which is supposed to be removed... after all, I can install glade-3 anyway, but it's still good to have it officially migrated to testing.
21:24<chealer>manphiz: I don't understand what you mean by "glade-3 cannot enter testing because it's lacking of several package which glade should provide". but maybe
21:24<ranix>sounds like you might send an email to the glade-3 package maintainer
21:24<Jusnetworx>How can I remove modules that are in use with modconf ?
21:24<manphiz>chealer, check this out: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=glade-3
21:24<eurisko>i think i fou:~$ tar -xjf acpi4asus-0.41.tar.bz2nd solutionn bu
21:25<eurisko>i think i found something
21:25<ranix>nice typo eurisko
21:25<ranix>tat was art
21:25<jusae>u know when i did the whole linux thing about 10 years ago, i said to myself I'm gonna write some really good howto's on certain packages, then I figured f'u it took me this long to get a very good understandin, figure out for yourself
21:25<jusae>i think thats what i gonna do this time around again
21:25[~]jusae hangs his head in shame
21:26<ranix>why don't you get back to us with your wikipedia entry on that research you did on powering a beowulf cluster with solar panels and car batteries
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21:26<jusae>let me get u the http entry and the toshiba prototype on second sight
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21:27<jusae>sonic waves used to detect brain tumours
21:27<jusae>:)
21:27<jusae>i am the real deal
21:28<ranix>http://unetixs.dyndns.org/conversation.txt iirc
21:28<ranix>had to save it for posterity
21:29<chealer>manphiz: oh. it's a bit tricky. glade-3 3.2.0-1 built a glade-2 binary package. glade-3 3.2.2-1 doesn't build a glade-2 binary anymore, so the glade-2 binary needs to be removed by ftpmaster. I don't really understand why, but it's not caused by the glade-2 source package.
21:30<jusae>maxi knows me, she spent a couple nights at my place in bristol, punch me in the back on the couch
21:31<jusae>irish girl, has an irc server around here
21:31<eurisko>lol
21:32<eurisko>you guys make my nightmare arround my laptop , a nice time
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21:32<ranix>that's what #debian is for
21:32<manphiz>chealer, yes, it is. And someone at #debian-release answered me this problem is a little different from solely binary drop, but mistakenly claimed it lacks binary which should be provided by another source package, and he said there's nothing release team could do until ftp team removed the obsolete package.
21:32<ranix>that, and hooking up with hot european girls
21:32<ranix>well, not so much that
21:32<jusae>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power, the parabolic solar collector photo's where taken by me
21:32<jusae>i wrote some of that
21:33<Ardi>hi to all .. i am trying to install ndiswrapper in a new debian install but i get an make error saying /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel
21:33<ranix>Ardi: fresh ndiswrapper v.47?
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21:34<Ardi>yes
21:34<chealer>manphiz: s/glade-2 source package/glade source package/
21:34<ranix>do you have the kernel headers installed?
21:37<Ardi>ranix, i didnt do any changes to it i used the windows installer to install debian in this laptop so i dont know if this installes the kernel headers
21:37<ranix>apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` make gcc
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21:37<ranix>then try compiling again
21:38<ranix>those are backticks or grave accents, btw
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21:40<eurisko>back
21:41<twb>lupine: the mail to you bounced
21:41<twb>lupine: Reason: Relaying denied.
21:42<lupine>twb: I saw. It's fixed now, though :)
21:42<lupine>thanks to you and the other tester
21:43<Ardi>*** WARNING: This kernel seems to use 4K stack size option (CONFIG_4KSTACKS); many Windows drivers will not work with this option enabled. Disable CONFIG_4KSTACKS option, recompile and install kernel
21:43<lupine>I now have a fully-functioning etch in a /target on a remote system
21:43<Ardi>hmm it looks like more errors coming through
21:43<lupine>I bet it'll be fun moving it to the correct location
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21:49<eurisko>arhhh
21:51<twb>lupine: if you use tar, be sure to add --numeric-owner
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21:52<twb>That's bitten me on the ass when extracting a debian chroot under centos -- adm is uid 2 instead of 3 or something trivial like that, and it break... gdm IIRC
21:52<lupine>twb: they're not being tar'd
21:52<twb>Fair enough
21:52<lupine>I've copied /bin to /bin.old, which is added to the path, and I'm busily deleting all the dirs in / except /target
21:52<lupine>then I'll just mv them all voer
21:52<lupine>over*
21:53<lupine>Will I succeed? PLACE BETS NOW ;)
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21:54<twb>Five bucks says the horse spontaneously combusts
21:54<twb>What are you all looking at me like that for? It has to happen sooner or later.
21:54<lupine>whoops
21:54<lupine>I just deleted /target/emul
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21:54<twb>Silly!
21:55<lupine>eh, it's just ia32-libs
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21:55<twb>Put the cat in the trebuchet and try again
21:56<Supaplex>`~~ `~` `~~ MEOW! ~`~~` *SPLAT*
21:56<lupine>hoo, it didn't like that /at all/
21:56<lupine>(deleting /lib)
21:58<eurisko>had someone here compiled acpi4asus?
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21:58<lupine>hahaha. -bash: /target/bin/ls: No such file or directory
21:58<lupine>looks like all bets are off, and I failed miserably
21:59<Supaplex>you learned one way that does not work.
22:00<lupine>wait... I have a bit of life
22:00<lupine>I can use cd!
22:00<jusae>night everyone
22:00<jusae>4am
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22:01<eurisko>i wish i could understand the code...
22:02<lupine>hmm. So I can move around, but that's about it
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22:03<eurisko>can someone give me a hint here http://rafb.net/p/NudsK387.html
22:04<eurisko>forget it
22:04<eurisko>ME DUMB
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22:06<lee_>hello
22:06<lee_>where does debian etch stores its slocate database?
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22:08<gsimmons_>lee_: /var/lib/slocate
22:09<lee_>that's what i thought but I don't have it
22:10<lee_>im looking cause i did an updatedb and noticed that i have 100% file disk usage
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22:10<lee_>what tool do i use to find out what directory is using all that space?
22:11<locsmif>du
22:12<gsimmons_>lee_: See also <http://wiki.debian.org/ShellTricks#head-6ba4ebecef82129e9050cd0f4dcbfd930cbb2aa8>.
22:13<lupine>Aha!
22:13<lupine>root@lupine:/bin# /target/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /target/bin/cp -a /target/lib /
22:13<lupine>it works :D
22:14<lee_>gismmons_, thanks!
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22:16[~]Ardi hi to all
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22:17<gsimmons_>lee_: Also useful is dpigs ('debian-goodies' package), if you want to determine which installed packages occupy the most space.
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22:27[~]lupine wins vs. the evils of migration
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22:34<lupine>ah. Then I, ahem, fail at the last hurdle
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22:38<lupine>theoretically speaking, if I have user access to my own server, don't have sudo, and don't seem to have a root password enabled... how do I get root privs back?
22:39<dondelelcaro>lupine: do you have physical access to your server?
22:39<lupine>nope
22:39<dondelelcaro>then you don't
22:40<lupine>haha, joy
22:40<dondelelcaro>(unless you happen to find a local root exploit)
22:40<lupine>mm, it's etch so pretty secure I think ;)
22:40<dondelelcaro>yeah, there shouldn't be any
22:40<lupine>I had a look for suid binaries I could exploit; couldn't see anyh
22:40[~]Ardi brb change to windows
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22:40<lupine>gad, this is stupid of me, lol
22:41<lupine>at least email, etc is working
22:42<lupine>I can get the owner of the physical machine to open up /etc/shadow and replace the password hash in a few hours, I guess
22:46<lupine>hahaha!
22:46<lupine>strings /dev/sda1 |grep root
22:47<lupine>haven't found anything particularly useful yet, but... wtf?
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22:49<lupine>no.. it's all root::13679:0:99999:7::: :(
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23:00<oddtod>hey guys i'm lookingto install XP on a machine that has Debian Etch already installed how would i do this i've done it the other way around(really easy) but i've never installed xp on a box with nix already on it
23:00<lupine>oddtod: it's pretty easy, just make sure that you have a partition handy
23:01<lupine>also note that XP overwrites grub, so you'll need some method of booting back into your linux install to reinstall it to the MBR
23:01<oddtod>like a live cd
23:01<lupine>that'd do it, yeah
23:01<oddtod>i'm actually doing it with ubuntu just the ppl in the ubuntu room are idiots
23:01<lupine>lol
23:02<oddtod>very unhelpful
23:02<lupine>the bot on freenode is helpful
23:02<lupine>you want to !mbr it
23:02<lupine>but debian >> ubuntu anyway :p
23:02<oddtod>so i just install on the extra partition i have and then reinstall grub?
23:02<lupine>yep
23:02<lupine>that's all there is to it
23:03<oddtod>i know man i agree debian is a really solid OS i'm just not as familiar with Linux yet so i'm trying to get my feet wet before i jump right in ya know?
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23:09<lee_>how do i just list contents in a gz file insted of extract?
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23:10<lee_>i got it nm
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23:13<lee_>tar --list file.gz doesn't seem to work, anyone help me here?
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23:16<oddtod>Lupine how would i boot up to install grub ?
23:16<oddtod>after i install XP?
23:19<altoid>oddtod: i would imagine you'd need a bootable linux cd
23:20<oddtod>thx
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23:42<Archimed>can anyone help me with SIS7012 on Debian Etch 4.0?? Alsa has everything configured under Intel 8x0 but i hear no sound... please help
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23:53<streuner>Does "alsaconf" detect the soundcard?
23:53<Archimed>yes
23:53<streuner>ALSA is by default muted
23:54<streuner>just run "aumix" and un-mute it
23:54<Archimed>no command as aumix
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23:54<streuner>!Installit
23:54<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
23:55<Archimed>but i used otehrmixed and unm,ted it.. and still nothing
23:55<streuner>!listkeys checklist
23:55<dpkg>Factoid search of 'checklist' by key (6): alsa-checklist ;; alsa checklist ;; _default alsa-checklist ;; _default intrusion detection checklist ;; #debian alsa-checklist ;; intrusion detection checklist.
23:55<dli>Archimed, like alsamixer ?
23:55<streuner>!alsa-checklist
23:55<dpkg>alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
23:55<Archimed>│ Card: SiS SI7012 ││ Chip: Realtek ALC200,200P rev 0 ││ View: [Playback] Capture All ││ Item: Master
23:57<Archimed>i cant find any alsa-checklist
23:57<Archimed>ok... nvm.. i did all that
23:58<Archimed>wait a second
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