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---Logopened Sat Jul 28 00:00:00 2007
---Daychanged Sat Jul 28 2007
00:00<sysop>chealer, did you know if I need to create this device?
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00:00<chealer>stuart: etch, yeah. no, you'd install sun-java5.
00:00<stuart>chealer: i tried the (official debian) java installation via apt-get, but this seemed far inferior to sun's
00:01<stuart>chealer: which is not in the official repo?
00:01<chealer>sysop: # ifconfig -a; should show an interface for the card from the moment when Linux has its driver loaded.
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00:01<chealer>sysop: (unless you need to mess with firmware. I don't know about that)
00:02<sysop>chealer, yes I tried ifconfig -a and iwconfig and there is no one... only my eth0 (wire network) and sit0 (ipv6)
00:02<sysop>chealer, and lo (loopback)
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00:02<chealer>stuart: I didn't try Sun's installation since a long time but I can't see how Debian's package would be far inferior. are you sure you tried sun-java5, and not java-package?
00:03<chealer>stuart: sun-java5 is in "the official repositories", but not officially in Debian. it's in non-free.
00:04<freight>Oh. No. I just accidentally did an 'rm -rf ./ <dir>' before things get more corrupted than they already are, how can I recover what was deleted? it only ran for about 3 seconds...
00:04<freight>I"m running ext3
00:05<freight>I'm afraid to open a browser for fear the cache would start to overwrite what was deleted.
00:06<freight>luckily, if you want to call it that it was in my home directory.
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00:06<stuart>chealer: was probably java package
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00:07<chealer>stuart: sun-java5 is simpler
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00:08<freight>at least does anyone know if there's a rhyme or reason to how rm will begin deleting files? Or does it just start deleting wherever the head hit the drive?
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00:08<stuart>chealer: not sure my repositories are set up correctly...
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00:09<freight>I don't fscking believe I just did that.
00:09<stuart>chealer: what is a site i can copy and paste my sources.list to to show u?
00:09<chealer>!tell stuart about paste
00:10<stuart>chealer: also, is there a list of the "tell about" commands somewhere?
00:10<chealer>!tell stuart about your factoids
00:10<freight>!tell me about undelete
00:11<freight>ls
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00:12<chealer>stuart: what you want is to search. the full list of factoids is too long.
00:12<sysop>what is !tell about something
00:12<sysop>?
00:12<chealer>!foo
00:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
00:12<chealer>!tell sysop about bar
00:12<sysop>yes !tell sysop about bar
00:12<chealer>!listkeys undelete
00:12<dpkg>Factoid search of 'undelete' by key (3): undelete ;; #debian undelete ;; _default undelete.
00:13<chealer>sysop: dpkg is supposed to have sent you the bar factoid.
00:13<stuart>chealer: http://rafb.net/p/HpCxsG55.html The only java5 thing that shows up for me in synaptic displays without an icon, so i assume if from the multimedia repository i have rather than the official non-free?
00:13[~]Supaplex ponders ... apt-get upgrade irc.debian.org/#debian/dpkg
00:14<chealer>stuart: no, that's fine. the icon means that it's supported/in main.
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00:14<sysop>!tell chealer about thanks
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00:15<stuart>chealer: so i should be able to remove that multimedia repo and still have access to java 5?
00:15<chealer>!thanks
00:15<dpkg>pas de quoi, chealer
00:15<chealer>stuart: yes
00:15<stuart>chealer: ok, lemme try
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00:17<freight>chealer: did that already.. journalled FSes are not undeleatable according to dpkg. 8(
00:18<chealer>freight: that was just an example of searching for stuart.
00:18<Supaplex>you're S.O.L. if it's journalized. use rm -i nexttime. :P
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00:18<Supaplex>or libtrash
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00:19<stuart>chealer: thanks, you're right. Re MS fonts, msttcorefonts, that package purports to make it easier to install the fonts, but doesn't actually include them?
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00:19<chealer>stuart: it's an installer, yes.
00:19<stuart>chealer: how do i use it?
00:20<chealer>stuart: did you install it?
00:20<stuart>chealer: yes, it is selected in synaptic and was downloaded
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00:21<stuart>..and installed by synaptic i guess
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00:21<stuart>chealer: if i type "msttcorefonts" into a terminal... no joy
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00:22<chealer>stuart: I don't remember installing that package. didn't installing the installer run it? aren't the fonts already installed?
00:23<stuart>chealer: they dont seem to show up in open office writer -- how would i check?
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00:23<chealer>stuart: what do you have in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ ?
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00:26<stuart>chealer: arial.ttf amongst others, so i guess they are installed then?
00:27<chealer>stuart: right
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00:27<stuart>chealer: do you know why they don't display in the font drop down menu from within Writer?
00:28<Waddledee>stuart: I found that Openoffice doesn't always pick up on new fonts right away. Indeed, I had a weird issue where they would go in and out of availability for a bit after being installed. You might try restarting Openoffice, or even a quick reboot.
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00:28<stuart>waddledee: thanks
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00:29<stuart>chealer: so re repos, for flash, java, and playing some mpgs and wmv's the "official" main contrib and non-free is really all i should need?
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00:30<chealer>stuart: except perhaps for some wmv-s with some multimedia engines, yes.
00:30<stuart>chealer: ok, thanks heaps for you help
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00:32<stuart>chealer: your even
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00:40<NeGRoMaNCeR>gente, alguno en español?
00:41<NeGRoMaNCeR>QT3????
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00:43<Dirtyworks>does anyone know how to get postfix to send mail to ~Home instead of /var/mail
00:43<Dirtyworks>Cause i tried variable home_mailbox = Maildir/ and it still sends it to /var etc
00:44<NeGRoMaNCeR>I have some doubts with QT3, can soembody help me??
00:46<compz><NeGRoMaNCeR> just ask (in english) o ve a #debian-es para español
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00:47<compz>can anyone help me fix my wireless card?, it was recognized by debian installer, and it is recognized in gnome's network manager, it is supposed to be active, but it doesn't work
00:48<compz>So I tried to use ifconfig + dhclient, but I got no luck, I get this message: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource not available temporarily
00:49<compz>(while doing ifconfig eth1 up
00:49<compz>BTW I'm using lenny, it's a fresh install
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00:49<dli_>compz, what's your chipset? lspci|grep -i net , anything in dmesg? what's the output of iwconfig?
00:49<sysop>your eth1 have wireless extension?
00:50<compz>00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78)
00:50<compz>it is a PCMCIA card
00:50<sysop>well time to go to bed
00:50<sysop>bye
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00:50<compz>bye, good night
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00:51<compz>dli_ yup, there's an error in dmesg: eth1: firmware atmel_at76c502_3com,bin
00:51<compz>eth1: firmware atmel_at76c502_3com,bin is missing, cannot start
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00:52<dli_>compz, most likely, you have to download the firmware first, put it in /lib/firmware/ , rmmod the driver, and try again
00:53<compz>dli_ could it be in the lenny install disc?, it was recognized by debian installer
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00:55<dli_>compz, I guess not, probably, it's not free software according to DFSG, therefore, can not be included in debian
00:56<freight>!tell me about nvu
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01:01<chealer>!tell freight about selftell
01:02<compz>dli_ there is a package that says Firmware for Atmel at76c50x wireless networking chips. in repositories, how can I know if its the right chipset?
01:02<chealer>compz: Atmel is not VIA. you must be mixing with an Ethernet card.
01:02<chealer>oh
01:02<compz>chealer, excuse me?
01:02<chealer>nevermind
01:02<compz>ok
01:03<compz>I did a lspcmcia it is a atmel_cs
01:06<dli_>compz, just get the file dmesg mentioned
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01:09<compz>done
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01:13<compz>!tell me about selftell
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02:22<compz>what happened with linux/config.h ???
02:22<compz>I'm compiling a driver but it is not in the header+source
02:22<compz>I've compiled it before installing the same packages
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02:26<compz>http://paste.debian.net/33546
02:26<compz>that's my error's paste
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02:39<compz>uhm, they changed config.h for autoconf.h -_-
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02:43<dli_>compz, why do you compile zd1211?
02:45<dli_>!tell compz about zd1211
02:46<compz>dli_ already asked in a PM, it has nothing in the memory
02:47<dli_>compz, zd1211 is in standard kernel
02:47<compz>dli_ I think zd1211b doesn't get along well with Debian, zd1211 does, but not zd1211b
02:47<dli_>compz, modprobe zd1211rw
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02:49<compz>dli_ zd1211rw: 1-1:1.0: couldn't load firmware. Error number -2
02:49<compz>zd1211rw: probe of 1-1:1.0 failed with error -2
02:50<compz>that's why I want to compile, I'm downloading a newew source though, it looks like kernel was updated and my older source does not compile correctly
02:50<gsimmons>compz: Have you installed the 'zd1211-firmware' package?
02:50<dli_>compz, zd1211-firmware is in non-free
02:51<dli_>compz, also, firmware has nothing to do with driver building
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02:52<compz>nope, not installed it :P, I wanted to go sure, I've built the package before and I didn't have any problem
02:52<compz>downloaded
02:53<dli_>compz, use whatever in a stable kernel
02:55<compz>damn !
02:55<compz>finally I got wireless working !!
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02:55<compz>my 3com card was configured correctly, even read the SSID name in kwifimanager, but it gave me a Quality of 0%
02:56<dli_>compz, check dmesg first, then, iwconfig, (don't forget: ifconfig wlan0 up )
02:57<compz>dli_ both cards were taken as eth devices
02:57<compz>don't know why, when I installed zd1211b driver from the source I used wlan0
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02:59<dli_>compz, just don't use those kde tool, do it manually, and troubleshoot
02:59<compz>dli_ I did it manually, but got no lease, I just checked kwifimanager to check the signal strength
02:59<dli_>compz, iwconfig shows strength
03:00<compz>dli_ okey dokey :P
03:01<compz>strange :|
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03:01<compz>now that I got zd1211b working, 3com card is working
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03:13<compz>there it goes again, I wanted to renew the IP and it didn't work anymore
03:13<compz>3com cards suck
03:13<compz>even dpkg knows it
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03:19<dli_>compz, restart the driver, what a big deal?
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03:20<hobophobe>Where does module-assistant store its build log(s)?
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03:21<dli_>hobophobe, did you read the manual?
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03:23<hobophobe>Thanks dli_
03:24<hobophobe>In a bug report should I only include the build errors or the entire build log?
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03:26<dli_>hobophobe, I would first search whether it has been reported :)
03:26<hobophobe>Really? Damn, I did that already. :o)
03:26<hobophobe>I can look again though, makes me tingle.
03:27<hobophobe>Nope, hasn't been reported in the last 5 minutes.
03:27<elhaz_>what could be a section for a debugger program....
03:27<dli_>hobophobe, don't worry, report it, let gurus to worry
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03:27<Shiver>Hi
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03:28<hobophobe>Maybe I'll see if I can fix it and then I can report with a patch.
03:28<Shiver>I have some problems with reading files on my ipod using gtkpod, probably coming from wrong r/w rights settings, can anyone help me with that?
03:28<Shiver>I'm using Lenny/sid
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03:29<hobophobe>Shiver, is it reading anything?
03:29<compz>dli_ one more question, does it has to take so long to boot because of dhclient trying to grab a lease?, it is very nice to have interfaces grab the lease when you connect the device, but it's a pain in the ass when you boot
03:30<elhaz_>what could be a section for a debugger program....
03:30<elhaz_>Development?
03:30<hobophobe>Sounds likely elhaz_
03:30<elhaz_>hummm
03:31<dli_>compz, use static IP then :)
03:32<compz>okey :P, thanks for all your help dli_
03:32<Shiver>no, gtkpod recognizes the ipod bute fails to read the iTunesDB.ext file
03:32<Shiver>*but
03:32<compz>Shiver, did you synchronized the pod with iTunes before using linux?
03:33<Shiver>jap, i did
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03:33<compz>I think my pod does the same thing, let me check
03:34<Shiver>but i'm mounting the filesystem in fstab with automatical filesystem detection, and linux is recognizing ntfs proberly
03:34<compz>nope, not anymore
03:34<compz>Shiver, iPod is not formatted with ntfs
03:35<compz>AFAIK
03:35<compz>unless they changeed it in the 4G+ generations?
03:35<Shiver>the first connection with my ipod came from a windows machine and as far as i read, it's formatted to ntfs then?
03:36<Shiver>oh, i should mention that my ipod is 6th generation
03:36<compz>mmm, I have a 3G :(, and uses fat 32
03:36<compz>don't know if newer ones use ntfs
03:36<guillaume>Shiver: Do you have fuse on your lenny ?
03:36<Shiver>lenny
03:37<Shiver>actualy lenny/Sid
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03:37<hobophobe>Interesting, the file with the build errors has no difference from last version.
03:37<guillaume>Shiver: you can try ntfs3g maybe
03:37<Shiver>as filesystem in fstab?
03:38<compz>Shiver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod according to wiki they use fat32 not ntfs
03:38<Shiver>thats odd
03:38<Shiver>so i need to specify the filesystem manualy in fstab, right?
03:38<compz>maybe it's not updated?, what does mount say?
03:39<guillaume>Shiver: you can try mount
03:39<Shiver>it's mounted without probs, gtkpod even recognizes the device name i set in itunes
03:40<guillaume>Shiver: ls -l is correct for r/w ?
03:40<suiside>Shiver: try /dev/ipod /mnt/ipod vfat async,nodev,nosuid,user,rw,noauto 0 0 in fstab
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03:41<hobophobe>the headers have no diffs either.
03:41<hobophobe>hmm.
03:41<Shiver>guillaume: it's drwxr-xr-x
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03:42<Shiver>actualy i mounted it with /media/ipod
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03:42<Shiver>hope that isn't the problem?
03:43<suiside>the mountpoint doesn't matter, and of course substitute the device node with whatever udev detects it as
03:43<Shiver>k, this would be /dev/sdb2
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03:46<Shiver>suiside: i guess the order of async,nodev,nosuid,user,rw,noauto doesn't matter?
03:46<suiside>no
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03:47<suiside>had similar issues with a first generation nano, it worked fine (with the aforementioned settings) on my ibook running debian but on my desktop (with the same settings) copying files to it just spewed out I/O errors, my conclusion was that the USB host controller on the desktop and the device didn't like eachother
03:48<Shiver>how did you solve that problem?
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03:50<suiside>just used my ibook to sync with the nano, but I suspect I could have tried with installing a USB extension card with its own host controller to verify, just didn't have one laying around at the time
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03:51<guillaume>Shiver: have you try the I/O of the device without gtkpod ?
03:51<Shiver>well i could use itunes on my windows laptop as well, but all my music is on the PC running linux
03:51<guillaume>Shiver: and amarok ?
03:52<guillaume>it's a sort of itune no ?
03:52<Shiver>guillaume: i did, as mentioned in the README on the gtkpod project site, a made a backup of the database
03:52<Shiver>amarok? never heard of it
03:53<guillaume>shiver aptitude show amarok
03:53<suiside>amarok has ipod support these days, works fine
03:53<Shiver>perhaps i should try this first
03:53<guillaume>Shiver: seem to be much more complete than gtkpod interface
03:54<Shiver>btw, anyone of you tried the linux ipod OS?
03:54<Shiver>forgot the name tho
03:54<suiside>ipodlinux, yup
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03:55<Shiver>it's still beta, isn't it?
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03:56<Shiver>hm, I'm using fluxbox as dm while amarok is for kde... does amarok need any more deps than the package itself?
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03:56<suiside>kdelibs obviously
03:56<guillaume>I wonder if it's possible to keep a collection under amarok without the device (for 100 cd..; :) )
03:57<suiside>amarok keeps a very capable database of your music
03:57<Shiver>suiside: I see, the list of deps is quite long ^^
03:57<guillaume>got only the track into the playlist
03:58<guillaume>but when removing the media, the collection doesn't stay accessible
03:58<guillaume>:(
03:58<Shiver>but i don't need to purge gtkpod before?
04:01<suiside>Shiver: ipodlinux is a very fun project but theyr target audience is definately enthusiasts, so if you're looking for something more consumer friendly go for rockbox, also the stability entirely depends on the model and generation of your ipod
04:01<suiside>*their
04:02<guillaume>I've another question about sound with lenny, I wanna try mixxx but I can't succed in launching it with jackd... And asla is not supported by it, someone can help me ?
04:02<Shiver>suiside: i think I'll stick to the propietary OS for now... at least until it woks w/o problems ^^
04:02<Shiver>was just curious
04:04<guillaume>Shiver: apple isn't like microsoft ;)
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04:04<robertmanns795>hi all
04:05<Shiver>guillaume: and that's for good
04:05<guillaume>got an old mac plus still working
04:05<guillaume>maybe one day linux could run on it lol
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04:06<Shiver>guillaume: problem is, if you were using windows for years, it's hard to leave it completly...
04:06<robertmanns795>anyone been shooting recently
04:07<guillaume>Shiver: not really, you just have to change your way of doing things, I prefer my lenny with beryl to vista on my dell laptop
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04:09<robertmanns795>anyone live in the northampton area
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04:09<azeem>robertmanns795: do you have a Debian question?
04:10<robertmanns795>do u shoot much
04:10<guillaume>azeem: maybe is he looking for a lug ;)
04:10<hobophobe>How do I edit an archive with a '.' directory?
04:10<dli_>hobophobe, for example?
04:10<hobophobe>I open the archive and the only directory is named .
04:11<hobophobe>It has files in it which I can extract, but I can't delete them or rename the directory
04:11<azeem>hobophobe: maybe there are no other directories in it?
04:11<hobophobe>It's control.tar.gz from a .deb
04:11<guillaume>hobophobe: it's an empty archive
04:11<hobophobe>There are files in the . directory
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04:12<azeem>hobophobe: why is that a problem?
04:12<hobophobe>Well I'd like to edit the md5sums file in the .deb so that I can see if my patch works.
04:13<hobophobe>Otherwise I assume it won't install due to mismatching md5sum?
04:13<azeem>hobophobe: the md5sums inside the .deb are advisory
04:13<hobophobe>ah, so it should still work.. I'll give it a shot
04:13<guillaume>call a directory . is possible in fs ?
04:14<azeem>. is the current dircotiry
04:14<azeem>directory*
04:14<azeem>it just means the tar will extract to the current directory, not some sub-directory
04:14<guillaume>yes that's why i find that strange
04:14<guillaume>. can't be the name of the dir
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04:16<hobophobe>I thought so too, but for whatever reason that's how it's showing up for me and behaving (trying to rename it gave an error because it treated it like 'current directory')
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04:16<azeem>hobophobe: what command are you running?
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04:16<hobophobe>I was using file roller
04:17<azeem>try on the command-line then
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04:18<robertmanns795>hi all
04:19<Shiver>i don't really know, but amarok does seem to have problems with this ipod too
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04:19<SeanWasHere>I never could get my iPod working in Amarok, though I didn't try. I just use Rhythmbox
04:19<Shiver>oh, i'm wrong... looks like it works
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04:21<tupa>is there an alternative to samba that is not too slow?
04:21<guillaume>tupa: for ?
04:21<tupa>I feel my net crawls with samba
04:22<azeem>tupa: you have Windows clients?
04:22<tupa>guillaume, accesing directories and archives through the net
04:22<tupa>azeem, not right now, I know you need samba for windows
04:23<azeem>then you could use NFSv4, or some other networked file system
04:23<guillaume>hobophobe: I test some command but can't create any "." dir, how have you create one ?
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04:24<Shiver>Ok guys, amarok seems to do the job pretty well... thanks everyone /cheers
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04:28<guillaume>tupa: I use samba on my network without pb here (2 linux+2 xp computers) for sharing files and cups printers so it's strange
04:29<hobophobe>guillaume, not sure... it's a tar.gz and I've made it a tar, but tar --list data.tar doesn't list anything, just sits there.. and gzip --list data.tar.gz just lists the tar
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04:30<guillaume>hobophobe: have you try tar xvzf ?
04:31<tupa>hobophobe what does file yourfile.tar returns?
04:31<hobophobe>I just used 7za and it lists the . directory and its contents
04:31<tupa>file mytar.tar
04:31<hobophobe>file data.tar lists 'POSIX tar archive (GNU)'
04:32<tupa>ok, then decopress it with: tar -xvf data.tar
04:32<tupa>*decompress
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04:33<guillaume>evre said
04:33<hobophobe>Yeah, if you decompress it then the subdirectory under . gets put in the current directory.
04:34<hobophobe>but the control.tar.gz doesn't have a subdirectory, which was the problem I had
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04:34<hobophobe>Still some weird voodoo having a directory named .
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04:34<guillaume>hobophobe: where this archive come from, is it possible to dl it ?
04:35<hobophobe>yeah it's the latest ivtv-source package
04:35<hobophobe>0.10.5-2
04:35<hobophobe>the control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz that are top-level in that deb
04:37<tupa>hobophobe, can you open it with file-roller and copy the files in nautilus?
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04:37<guillaume>hobophobe: it's the testing or unstable branch ?
04:38<hobophobe>I can extract them yeah.. it's unstable branch
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04:38<guillaume>there's a 0.10.6-1 version
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04:39<hobophobe>erm, in debian?
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04:41<fxiny>hmmm : i'm watching a webcam (IIs/5.0) xorg eats all mem . it goes up by 0.3% every two seconds till my box freezes
04:41<Shiver>hey, anyone knows where to get a matrix-screensaver for debian, and where to install it? :D
04:41<fxiny>i had to kill -9 firefox at 81%
04:41<hobophobe>Shiver, there's at least two of them in xscreensaver
04:42<hobophobe>fxiny, how are you watching the webcam?
04:43<fxiny>hobophobe: on my fast 3G box using icewilly
04:43<fxiny>hobophobe: on this PII is ok . both runing etch
04:44<hobophobe>What's icewilly? What kind of stream is the webcam? Can you try view stream in vlc or xine, etc. and see if it's same problem?
04:44<Shiver>hobophobe: tanks
04:44<Shiver>+h
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04:46<guillaume>hobophobe: I had no problem to access filez
04:46<guillaume>hobophobe: do dpkg -x xxx.ded .
04:47<fxiny>hobophobe: is iceweasel . no idea about what stream is . i know is a IIs/5.0 server , i'm followinf a javascript link ,i am at 46.4% now
04:47<guillaume>deb and not ded of course
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04:48<hobophobe>guillaume, the problem was to extract the files and change and put them back in the archive that I had... but no big deal, I think this is a different problem than I anticipated.
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04:49<hobophobe>(the reason I was tryin to edit archive)
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04:49<hobophobe>fxiny, so they are images, or they are video?
04:50<fxiny>hobophobe: video . is a webcam , no pr0n . a normal webcam . i can pm you the link if you want
04:50<hobophobe>so is it display in a video player's plugin?
04:51<hobophobe>mplayer?
04:51<fxiny>hobophobe: a popup window
04:51<hobophobe>Yes... but iceweasel is using some mechanism to show it if it's video?
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04:52<fxiny>hobophobe: url:81/image.ptsp_somethiong
04:52<guillaume>I wanna know how is it possible to launch several commands but that they run just one after another ?
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04:53<guillaume>can it work with | ?
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04:54<hobophobe>You could do a simple shell script?
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05:00<guillaume>hobophobe: it's not for doing always the same thing, that's why I search an easy way to do so
05:01<hobophobe>Ah, use && I think?
05:01<hobophobe>command1 && command2 only execute command2 if command1 succeeds (returns true) though?
05:01<guillaume>ok
05:01<hobophobe>so if you want it to only execute if the previous succeed then it should work
05:02<guillaume>thks
05:02<skrewz>(otherwise, use regular sequenzing `command1; command2`)
05:02<hobophobe>ah, right on skrewz :o)
05:03<guillaume>skrewz: still execute command only if previous succed or not ?
05:05<skrewz>guillaume: No, ``regardless of command1's exit status''.
05:06<guillaume>skrewz: ok, so I think && is better for what I do
05:06<skrewz>You can use the simple commands `true` and `false` (that simply return successful or failure) to exemplify. `true && echo worked` will print out ``worked'', whereas `false && echo worked` will not.
05:07<skrewz>`true ; echo worked` and `true ; echo worked` will also both print out worked.
05:07<guillaume>ok
05:07<guillaume>i'm not familiar with that :)
05:09<guillaume>thank you all for your help and see ya
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05:12<Shiver>hm, apperently amarok doesn't bring a .mp3 decoder?
05:12<guillaume>Shiver: I use it for listening mp3
05:13<Shiver>when i start playing a song, i get the message that no prober decoder was found
05:14<guillaume>Shiver: maybe it's due to a missing package
05:14<hobophobe>Shiver... due to the nature of debian it will not have one by default (mp3 is not free software). You can install one though.
05:14<azeem>hobophobe: that's not true
05:14<guillaume>Shiver: do aptitude search amarok to install output engines
05:14<azeem>Debian doesn't considers mp3 decoders to be a problem
05:14<hobophobe>oh
05:15<Shiver>i use synaptic
05:15<guillaume>Shiver: do the same with it
05:16<Shiver>i did, but couldn't find anything usefull
05:16<guillaume>Shiver: there's no amarok-engines package ?
05:16<hobophobe>Shiver, the 'amarok-engines' package includes ALL output engines, a specific one is amarok-xine
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05:17<Shiver>i got amarok-xine tho
05:17<azeem>Shiver: are you sure you're trying to play an .mp3?
05:17<azeem>and not a .wma or other file
05:17<Shiver>as well as amarok-engines, but this package is empty
05:18<Shiver>yeah, for sure... the error is about .mp3 files in particular
05:19<guillaume>my amarok 1.4 work fine just "out of the box" so maybe the mp3 file is corrupt no ?
05:19<Shiver>well it is a .mp3 at least when i ask file /music/song_name
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05:20<Shiver>amarok is missing a proper demux-Module, whatever this might be
05:21<Shiver>hm, my fault again
05:22<guillaume>Shiver: soon it'll work fine ;)
05:22<Shiver>yeah, i tried to read an playlist.pls i made up yesterday
05:22<Shiver>amarok recognizes the songs but isn't able to play them
05:23<guillaume>*if they are not accessible by the filesystem it's quite normal
05:24<Shiver>but the path in the amarok playlist is right, so why shouldn't it be accessible?
05:26<guillaume>Shiver: you try to launch tracks from your ipod on the computer ? make sure the dev is mounted before if you don't use automount, the path in the playlist are kept by amarok even if the dev is unmounted
05:26<Shiver>no, i don't
05:26<Shiver>i made an .pls playlist with xmms yesterday, saved it and opened it today with amarok
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05:27<Shiver>the playlist is loaded, the songs reecognized correctly but most of them lead to an error when trying to play tham
05:27<Shiver>them
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05:27<Shiver>the songs are on my local drive
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05:31<guillaume>Shiver: and when you try to launch just one song from this playlist with the open file command it works fine or not ?
05:31<Shiver>just tried that, won't work
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05:32<guillaume>Shiver: files and amarok are launch with same account ?
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05:33<Shiver>yeah, and i can launch them with xmms w/o probs
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05:34<Shiver>file: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 192 kBITS, 441 kHz, Stereo
05:34<Shiver>using Alsa
05:35<Shiver>ls -l: -rw-r--r-- 1 ...
05:36<guillaume>strange
05:36<Shiver>in deed ;)
05:38<Shiver>whar is a demux-module anyway?
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05:43<Shiver>and rythmnbox is playing everything fine also...
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05:43<Shiver>well, who cares... amarok is pretty cool tho, but using it just for ipod is ok for the moment
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05:52[~]Ten uses amarok with various such devices, although not actual apple ones.
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06:36<max>hello everyone!
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06:40<everyone>Hello Max
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06:41<max>I've got a problem with the fglrx driver, i have the kernel headers installed...still i get compilation error
06:42<max>is anybody willing to help?
06:42<max>http://pastebin.com/d1c862917 i can't get it to work
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06:48<maxmi>anybody knows why i get this message when compiling the fglrx driver? http://pastebin.com/d1c862917 kernel headers seemed to be installed correctly
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06:53<elephanten>Hello people
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06:54<elephanten>how tho change keyboard maping in tty, in X it is 'setxkbmap' ??
06:54<fxiny>this must be trivial . but i simply don't know it : why iceweasel pops up a window asking me to save a .php file ?
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06:55<fxiny>of course following a lik
06:55<fxiny>link*
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07:06<maxmi>http://pastebin.com/d1c862917 does anybody know why i get that message with installed kernel-headers?
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07:12<tarzeau>elephanten: loadkeys
07:13<elephanten>thanks, I'll try it now..
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07:18<sheldonh>i just installed rdiff-backup on etch and rdiff-backup -V (supposed to show version) crashes with "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'error_check_Main'" searched bdo, any ideas?
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07:21<elephanten>tarzeau: Yes, it did the job for me, thanks a lot
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07:24<sheldonh>hmmm. fixed it with: aptitude remove rdiff-backup && rm -rf /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/rdiff_backup && aptitude install rdiff-backup
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07:26<jungla>I got some problem installing nvidia official modules for 2.6.18 kernel on lenny....
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07:27<jungla>module-assistant returns: nvidia-kernel-source source failed
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07:28<jungla>someone knows why?
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07:29<orjan_>I'm trying to boot an dl145g3 from netinst cd. At splash screen the ps/2 keyboard work, when it's time to chose language it doesn't. Is there any driver that has to be loaded or?
07:29<manphiz>jungla, what did the log say?
07:29<orjan_>and it's amd64 netinst
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07:30<jungla>hemmm, where is the log? :-(
07:30<marquinho_kurumin>hi
07:31<marquinho_kurumin>does anybody know how to speak portuguese?
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07:33<fxiny>give us time to learn portuguese next !
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07:34<abrotman>!pt
07:34<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:34<fxiny>i can learn just basic vulcanian in two minutes :P
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07:38<maxmi>http://pastebin.com/d1c862917 anybody got an idea what is wrong with my kernel-headers?
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07:41<jungla>manphiz, I'm there: Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package.
07:41<jungla>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
07:41<jungla>is only available from another source
07:41<jungla>E: Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate
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07:41<fxiny>so any clue why following a link i get a popup asking me to save a php file , is it damn windows server propietary sh*t ?
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07:44<maxmi>does that happen with every php website?
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07:47<juliank>a small announcement: Automatic codec installation (as in Ubuntu) will come to Debian soon (when gnome-app-install is ACCEPTED and a new gst-plugins-base0.10 has been uploaded)
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07:48<Quick>Hi everyone! I need some help, I'm new with Debian and I have WebMin and Apache setup, how do I configure where the /www/ directory is located?
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07:49<fxiny>maxmi: i've never seen it before. is a site with a webcam which push my xorg up eating all my mem. clicking around i noticed this php thing . google told me nothing about . i've checked it with opera and is the same . firing up a w2k on vmware works .
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07:50<Quick>Can anyone help?
07:50<manphiz>Quick, have you checked /var/ ?
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07:51<gsimmons>Quick: You'd need to examine your Apache configuration, specifically the 'DocumentRoot' setting. By default, it is set to '/var/www'.
07:51<Quick>Obviously yes, I placed index.htm in /var/www but when I visit the server it goes to /var/www/apache2-default/
07:52<gsimmons>Quick: There's a reason for that. Read the comments in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default.
07:53<fxiny>maxmi: do you think is a php f* up ?
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07:56<Quick>Yep, got it working! :) Thanks for your help gsimmons!
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08:05<_spOOn_>hey people, am following the steps in the debian wiki on installing nvidia module using module assist, but when i get to installing nvidia-glx, i see it relys on nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486 kernel, when i am running am actually running 2.6.18-4-686
08:05<_spOOn_>obviously i have missed something or am doing something wrong? any help would be appreciated.
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08:22<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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08:59<Zathras>hi. On debian etch when I am root and issue a "su - postgres" to become the postgres (7.4) user I get kicked out by PAM instantly. AFAIK I have not changed a thing to the config of postgres. What is wrong/how can I fix this?
09:00<azeem>Zathras: check that the postgres user has a valid shell specified
09:01<azeem>Zathras: I guess it doesn't, so the question is: Why do you want to become the postgres user?
09:01<Zathras>to add a user
09:01<Zathras>postgres:x:110:110:PostgreSQL administrator,,,:/var/lib/postgresql:/bin/false
09:02<Zathras>so you are right
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09:03<Zathras>long time ago that I played with Postgres. But I checked on the inet and becoming the postgres user is the default way of adding users to postgres
09:03<maxmi>http://pastebin.com/d1c862917 does anybody know why i get this error? kernel-headers are installed via apt-get
09:05<gsimmons>Zathras: Use su -c "su -s /bin/sh postgres" (or 'sudo -u postgres sh').
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09:07<Zathras>k. thanks. That workaround works great. yet I am a bit puzzled why the postgres user has no shell. I suspect that is for security reasons but that way a lot of the documentation on the internet is no longer correct
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09:10<twb>Usually it is because the postgres user should not login.
09:10<twb>If you use sudo, `sudo -u postgres command-i-want' is probably less breakworthy than actually starting a shell.
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09:18<orjan_>I'm trying to boot an dl145g3 from an amd64 netinst cd. At splash screen the ps/2 keyboard work, when it's time to chose language it doesn't. Is there any driver that has to be loaded or?
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09:38<twb>What is a dl145g3?
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09:45<Sh3ytaN>s:
09:45<Sh3ytaN>!tr
09:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
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09:46<palestinian>hello
09:47<palestinian>someone can help me with wireless?
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09:47<witte>!ask
09:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:47<twb>Nope. My experience with wireless is that it's not worth the hassle. I just bought a couple of 30m CAT5 cables.
09:48<palestinian>I try to connect to wireless,to my router and I cant,my card was detected and loaded, and I can see the router with graphic assistant, but I cant connect,i dont get internet
09:50<witte>palestinian: you can try the graphic tool network-admin
09:51<Sh3ytaN>!do
09:51[~]dpkg refuses to do $1
09:51<palestinian>witte, thnx
09:51<palestinian>witte, u know the name to download with aptitude?
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09:52<gsimmons>twb: It's a 1U rackmount server (AMD Opteron) from HP. There's an installation report for it in #421646.
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09:52<twb>gsimmons: OK.
09:52<witte>palestinian: gnome-system-tools i believe
09:52<gsimmons>orjan_: Can you go 'back' in the installation process, then select your language? What specific language are you after?
09:53<palestinian>witte, i have it installed,u know how execute?
09:54<witte>sudo network-admin
09:54<twb>Does installation-reports have a pseudobug for each host that gets installed, and has working mail?
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10:07<KaiSVK>hi all
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10:13<palestinian>witte, thank u very much man, I think the problem was in linux i need to add a "g"...and that my router before was without wep
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10:43<Wei>hello, everybody. I want to set the search dictory of latex in bash: export TEXTINPUTS /home/wlue/latex/images//
10:43<Wei>but it sais: bash: export: `/home/wlue/latex/images//': not a valid identifier
10:43<Eulex>export TEXTINPUTS=/home/wlue/latex/images/
10:44<Wei>a, thanks a lot
10:44<sheldonh>what's the difference betw /etc/profile and /etc/environment ?
10:44<KaiSVK>I am having problem installing ipw3945 driver or to compile it. I have my own compiled kernel 2.6.22-1 on testing. Anybody know how to install the driver please?
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10:47<dli_>!tell KaiSVK about ipw3945
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10:50<Golfgeo>Hi all
10:51<Golfgeo>I need to reconfigure a package (installed wrong), but I forgot the command, anyone?
10:51<twb>Golfgeo: dpkg-reconfigure foo
10:52<Golfgeo>thanks mate :-)
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10:58<KaiSVK>dli_ I am using lenny with custom kernel
10:58<chealer>KaiSVK: if you don't mind, why do you use a custom kernel?
10:59<KaiSVK>chealer because I needed to recompile withou paravirt option to make nvidia prop. driver work :/ so I choose the latest kernel...
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11:00<chealer>KaiSVK: you don't need to compile for that. Debian stock 2.6.22 kernels support the nvidia driver.
11:00<KaiSVK>chealer since when ?
11:00<chealer>KaiSVK: since they entered unstable.
11:00<KaiSVK>chealer but I use testing right
11:00<KaiSVK>?
11:01<chealer>KaiSVK: more or less. testing has Linux 2.6.21. I don't know how you installed 2.6.22, but you could have installed a stock Linux 2.6.22 image from unstable instead.
11:03<chealer>KaiSVK: anyway, I believe I know how to install the ipw3945 LKM.
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11:03<Wei>I have set the search path, why said pdflatex always "cannot find image file"
11:04<KaiSVK>chealer so I just install all the kernel, the driver for ipw3945 from unstable right ?
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11:05<dli_>KaiSVK, if you are using 2.6.22, you may try iwl3945
11:06<KaiSVK>dli_ what is it ?
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11:15<KaiSVK>chealer dli_ thank you both :) seems my wifi works :0
11:15<KaiSVK>now ... the everlasting problem ... KDE or GNOME ? :D
11:15<Ganneff>icewm
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11:16<KaiSVK>Ganneff looks awful ;)
11:16<Ganneff>no
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11:18<fxiny>hold on hold on : fluxbox :))
11:19<KaiSVK>fxiny looks better than icewm ;)
11:19[~]fxiny adds a KaiSVK-shaped candle to his flux portable altar
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11:21<fxiny>KaiSVK: and don't forget to ask Ganneff how to set fluxbox up ;)
11:21<Ganneff>fxiny: want to get in trouble?
11:21<kop>I moved a drive into a new box and now when I boot eth0 won't come up. "SICOSIFAADDR: No such device\neth0: ERROR while getting interface flag" lspci sees the card and dmesg says it's there too.
11:22<fxiny>Ganneff: you nervous ?
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11:22<kop>All I can find on the net is something related to mandrake's /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules Anybody got any clues where to look?
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11:24<kop>Could there be anything odd going on because the os sees a new mac address? (!)
11:24<kop>(This was moving a drive with a whole working system from one box to another.)
11:25<fxiny>what about fstab ?
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11:26<kop>fxiny : (Was that for me?) The box boots, everything's fine but eth0.
11:26<fxiny>ok ok .i've seen it now > "a whole working system"
11:26<KaiSVK>the last problem :)
11:26<KaiSVK>suspend to RAM and to Disk don't work :)
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11:27<lontra>KaiSVK: what desktop?
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11:27<KaiSVK>lontra kde for now :0
11:27<lontra>KaiSVK: i was using kpwersave and had to remove pm-utils and install powersaved to work
11:28<fxiny>KaiSVK: i edited that z25 file for swapping my eth , make sure the mac is correct
11:28<fxiny>ops
11:28<fxiny>kop: ^^
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11:29<chealer>kop: I think you new card simply has a new interface name.
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11:29<kop>fxiny : Thanks. I'll take a look. (It's not in front of me.) (Why would the mac address get written into the os so that it can't easily be changed.)
11:29<fxiny>i think z25 is the most useful config file
11:29<fxiny>very handy
11:30<kop>chealer : It's not just a new card, it's a whole new box. (Everything but the drive.:)
11:30<kop>fxiny : Was that sarcastic?
11:30<fxiny>kop: not at all .is really useful
11:31<kop>fxiny : It's annoying that the new hardware does not just auto-detect.
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11:31<chealer>kop: hence a new card, yes.
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11:32<kop>chealer : Ah. I see.
11:32<kop>What, besides nics, gets new names also?
11:32<fxiny>kop: detection ? try to guess what happened : maybe udev believe you edit it
11:32<kop>Where do I read up on this?
11:33<kop>I can see wanting some persistance, and why that'd be a good thing.
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11:33<Sh3ytaN>hi.
11:34<Sh3ytaN>help me
11:34<kop>!tell Sh3ytaN -about ask
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11:35<Sh3ytaN>Turkish pLz.
11:35<Sh3ytaN>;(
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11:35<chealer>!tell Sh3ytaN about tr
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11:37<kop>Can I add comments anywhere in z25?
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11:38<chealer>!z25
11:38<dpkg>z25 is, like, as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory
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11:38<fxiny>kop: what happended to me is : moìving a firewall config from one box to the other i wanted eth0 and 1 swapped . just editing z25 i could do it in two secs without installing any extra packages
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11:39<kop>fxiny : Yes, and I can see temporarly wanting to swap out hardware and leave the system config alone, etc.
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11:40<chealer>kop: z25 is a rules file like any file in /etc/udev/rules.d/.
11:40<kop>chealer : I've avoided learning about udev. It's time to dive in. Will I learn everything I need from man udev or is there a better place?
11:41<chealer>kop: no idea, I never red man udev. it doesn't seem to cover comments in rules files, but $ less /etc/udev/rules.d/*; does.
11:42<kop>chealer : Ok. Maybe there's something in the debian reference too.
11:42<chealer>kop: doubtful. look at Wikipedia I guess.
11:43<kop>BTW, I learned the other day that if you assign alias IPs to the same nic on the same subnet, you can control which IP is used for the source address with the 'metric' setting. FYI.
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11:43<kop>chealer :) Whoda thought.
11:43<fxiny>very nice factoid , i was just asking my self how to tell udev to not touch interface names
11:43<fxiny>easy life !
11:44<kop>fxiny : The routing table 'only via "ip route"' controls locally initiated source IP.
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11:45<fxiny>kop: i'm waiting for a new box to install xen so i can play all this networking tricks
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11:46<kop>fxiny : Whatdaya know. Today's the day I plan to install xen for the first time.
11:47<fxiny>kop: that's exactly what i want to to this year , and next will be se-linux . setting up a box is a great game , maybe the best game ever
11:47<kop>fxiny : My email server's only got 384MB ram, and since I upgraded from sarge to etch spamassassin gets plogged up. spamd actually does bad things and then no mail goes through. The bug is fixed upstream, but that does not help me.
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11:47<kop>fxiny : Second best game. ;-)
11:48<fxiny>kop: thjat's right :)
11:48<fxiny>that*
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11:51<fxiny>kop: i'm not a big fan of spamassassin . i use it long ago then i moved to bogofilter . i know spamassassin use Bayes math now . but bogo started it first
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11:53<JWH>I have an extremely noob question: Is an Intel Core2 CPU considered IA64 architecture? I'm want to install debian, but just unsure which arch I should download. Thanks.
11:53<witte>!ia64
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11:53<dpkg>it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64
11:54<yos87>hi
11:54<witte>JWH: so that is a no ;-)
11:54<JWH>Thank you, so what should I install then i386?
11:55<JWH>got it, thank you.
11:55<witte>JWH: yes, i am pretty sure you have choose that one
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11:59<yos87>how to convert m4a to mp3?
12:00<Supaplex>mencoder?
12:00<kop>fxiny : I use both bogofiler and spamassassin.
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12:02<yos87>supaplex: you talk to me? mencoder graphic or text mode?
12:02<Supaplex>yos87: I've heard of it, haven't used it. just an idea
12:03<fxiny>yos87: i use mplayer . i convert first wo waw : for i in *.m4a; do mplayer -ao pcm "$i" -ao pcm:file="${i%.m4a}.wav" ; done
12:03<CutMeOwnThroat>mencoder should work
12:03<yos87>mncoder is not in debian packages
12:03<CutMeOwnThroat>and since when does mencoder have a graphic mode?
12:04<fxiny>kop: how spamasssassin compares to bogo now ?
12:04<CutMeOwnThroat>it's in the marillat repository, though
12:04<CutMeOwnThroat>hm...
12:04<CutMeOwnThroat>!marillat
12:04<dpkg>debian-multimedia is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
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12:04<yos87>CutMeOwnThroad: it's text mode?
12:04<CutMeOwnThroat>yes
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12:05<CutMeOwnThroat>it's a video encoder...
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12:05<CutMeOwnThroat>but should as well work with audio-only
12:05<CutMeOwnThroat>what should it do with graphics :)
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12:06<CutMeOwnThroat>the syntax is a bit complicated... but there are examples at the end of the manpage
12:06<yos87>CutMeOwnThroad: what about if you want to convert many files in same time, does it work also?
12:06<CutMeOwnThroat>same time? dont think so
12:07<CutMeOwnThroat>but as it's non-graphical, you can script away as you like
12:07<CutMeOwnThroat>something like...
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12:07<palestinian>howto build the latest alsa-driver to get rid of unresolved symvols
12:07<richard_>i have a logitech quickcam pro, can someone help me make it work, please
12:08<CutMeOwnThroat>ls -1 *.mp4 | xargs -i mencoder -add-options-here '{}' -o '{}'.mp3
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12:08<richard_>anyone can help
12:08[~]CutMeOwnThroat spreads his hands, speaks the magic words and richard_ is helped.
12:09<richard_>i have a logitech quickcam pro, can someone help me make it work, please
12:09<CutMeOwnThroat>so... good job for the day
12:09<CutMeOwnThroat>ehe
12:09<palestinian>plzzz,i want to watch porn with sound
12:09<fxiny>magic magic ... you know all the tricks . as the fiend poet sing
12:10<richard_>well no luck here too
12:10<richard_>ok
12:10<CutMeOwnThroat>richard_, it's you
12:10<CutMeOwnThroat>:)
12:10<witte>richard_: which camere, ask real questions
12:10<CutMeOwnThroat>!ask
12:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:10<richard_>i have a logitech quickcam pro, can someone help me make it work, please
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12:10<witte>!repeat
12:10<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:10<richard_>logitech quickam pro
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12:10<CutMeOwnThroat>richard_, let's switch roles for a moment
12:10<CutMeOwnThroat>richard_, HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPP!
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12:10<CutMeOwnThroat>why dont you help me!?
12:10<CutMeOwnThroat>help, help, help, help!!
12:11<fxiny>heheheh
12:11<fxiny>CutMeOwnThroat: ;)
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12:11<CutMeOwnThroat>ok, no luck here
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12:11<richard_>enjoy the fun bye
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12:11<witte>richard_: more information: do lspci, and paste that in a pastebin
12:11<witte>!tell richard about pastebin
12:11<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, he doesnt get it :(
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12:12<witte>I do not understand that people have a problem with stating problems :-)
12:12<CutMeOwnThroat>well, retard that he is
12:12<Maulkin>CutMeOwnThroat: Please don't call people names. Thanks.
12:12<CutMeOwnThroat>he's left
12:13<Ganneff>CutMeOwnThroat: doesnt matter
12:13<CutMeOwnThroat>which kinda proves my point...
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12:14<fxiny>CutMeOwnThroat: i got a new nutella jar : pass the knife !
12:14<CutMeOwnThroat>!dibbler
12:14<dpkg>well, dibbler is Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.'
12:14<palestinian>howto build the latest alsa-driver to get rid of unresolved symvols???
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12:15<CutMeOwnThroat>you shouldnt have any unresolved symbols
12:15<palestinian>well, I do
12:15<CutMeOwnThroat>you are not using a debian kernel, are you?
12:16<palestinian>yes,but in the channel #alsa in freenode told me to install the latest version of alsa and I fucked all
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12:16<CutMeOwnThroat>sounds like you had fun :)
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12:16<CutMeOwnThroat>did anybody film it?
12:16<palestinian>?
12:17<CutMeOwnThroat>[...] and I fucked all
12:17<CutMeOwnThroat>irc orgy
12:17<palestinian>jajajaja
12:17<palestinian>i mean my system
12:17<palestinian>but anyway,before i hadnt sound neither
12:17<CutMeOwnThroat>what was the problem before?
12:17<CutMeOwnThroat>ah
12:18<palestinian>nobody knew
12:18<palestinian>the alsa detected the card, the mixer was ok, etc...but not sound
12:18<palestinian>so they said install a new version
12:18<CutMeOwnThroat>so I guess you they told you to unmute it...
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12:18<palestinian>yes
12:18<palestinian>but it was unmuted
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12:19<CutMeOwnThroat>and sound generally worked...
12:19<palestinian>well,u dont know me
12:19<palestinian>linux hate me
12:19<witte>palestinian: probably you are not a member of the audio group
12:19<CutMeOwnThroat>i.e. under (whispers) windows
12:20<palestinian>yes,im
12:20<panagos>what difference does it make if i make more or less physical partitions (PVs) for LVM? are there any benefits/drawbacks? is there really a reason to make more PVs in a hard disk?
12:20<witte>palestinian: ok, that is often a problem if everything looks like it should work, but it doesn't :-)
12:20<CutMeOwnThroat>say it the other way around - could root play music back then?
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12:21<Sh3ytaN>h3a.
12:21<Sh3ytaN>mq.
12:21<fxiny>maybe some mixer is on your way
12:21<Sh3ytaN>mCx.
12:21<CutMeOwnThroat>witte, yeah, pretty good idea
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12:21<palestinian>yes, witte because of that they said to install a new version
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12:21<palestinian>u know, window's solution
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12:21<CutMeOwnThroat>well.... that was just to get rid of you :)
12:22<witte>palestinian: debian has more or less his own way of doing things. You should have asked here
12:22<palestinian>i asked in #debian in freenode and they said they dont know,said ask in #alsa
12:22<palestinian>they tried to help me
12:22<palestinian>but they didnt know what was happening
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12:23<witte>ok, in that case, you at least learnt a lot about linux in the meanwhile :P
12:23<palestinian>:-(
12:23<palestinian>what can I do?
12:23<CutMeOwnThroat> could root play music back then?
12:24<palestinian>didnt try,but the user is in group of music and video
12:24<CutMeOwnThroat>before you compiled the alsa thta doesnt work
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12:24<CutMeOwnThroat>did you use a graphical player or a text-one
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12:24<witte>palestinian: you should install alsa-utils with apt-get
12:24<fxiny>i havn't seen the infamous audio group issue since ages
12:25<witte>palestinian: and run alsaconf
12:25<palestinian>witte, i installed alsa-utils,last version
12:25<palestinian>from the website
12:25<CutMeOwnThroat>I still kind of like the idea that just simply the permissions are wrong....
12:25<fxiny>palestinian: what kernel are you using ?
12:25<witte>fxiny: the first user that is set up at install is in the audio group by default iirc. But the next ones are not
12:25<palestinian>fxiny, 18
12:26<palestinian>witte, i always used that first user
12:26<fxiny>witte: i didn't noticed . tx :)
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12:27<fxiny>palestinian: and what desktop env are you using ?
12:27<fxiny>if any
12:28<CutMeOwnThroat>what things have you tried?
12:28<palestinian>gnome,but I also did set alsa as default
12:28<CutMeOwnThroat>did you e.g. directly write .wav to the device?
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12:28<palestinian>no
12:28<fxiny>gnome ? and what mixer is installed ?
12:29<palestinian>i used alsamixer and
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12:29<fxiny>coukld be a damned mixer problem
12:29<palestinian>volume control
12:29<fxiny>cause all is ok but no sound come out
12:30<Woodje>Hi - i've got a problem with bonded interfaces on etch. about 60 seconds after boot the default gateway disapears, and a link-local entry appears (zero config). The problem doesn't occur if I use the interfaces regularly (no bonding). the Zeroconf package is not installed.
12:30<fxiny>i mean : "install the latest" sounds dumb . unless you know why is not working
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12:30<Woodje>some information about the interfaces is here: http://pastebin.com/d344c4b0f
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12:32<CutMeOwnThroat>bonding?
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12:33<Woodje>network redundancy.
12:33<Supaplex>multiple interfaces congolmerated for more b/w
12:34<fxiny>60 seconds ? every time 60 seconds ?
12:34<Woodje>about that, its difficult to time.
12:34<Woodje>it happends every boot.
12:34<Woodje>if i manually put a route in, that sticks until the next reboot.
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12:35<EmleyMoor>Any of you lot any good with shares in GnuCash? I have some shares in a company traded on the LSE and want gnucash to get quotes. Yahoo know it as LSE:THUS_L
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12:41<fxiny>EmleyMoor: wrong ticker : yahooquote THUS.L >>THUS.L THUS GRP 169.75 7/27/2007 London
12:41<EmleyMoor>fxiny: THUS.L even - found that
12:42<EmleyMoor>However, I can't see how to get gnucash to pick it up
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12:43<fxiny>no idea . you can use wget to download yahoo quotes and maybe import it in gnucash later
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12:45<fxiny>EmleyMoor: "THUS.L","7/27/2007",172.75,174.75,169.75,169.75,636455,"-2.16%",169.50,170.00,"11:35am"
12:45<EmleyMoor>I just don't know how to get it to look for LSE
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12:45<fxiny>that's wget
12:46<fxiny>no one can stop wget
12:46<CutMeOwnThroat>except wget :)
12:46<CutMeOwnThroat>i.e. its bugs
12:46<EmleyMoor>I think I may have found it
12:46<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, my machine seems pretty slow now
12:47<CutMeOwnThroat>CPU is idle and it's apparently not sapping since I closed firefox
12:47<fxiny>EmleyMoor: uk yahoo tickes ends in .L : tru this wget -q "http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?f=sd1ohgl1vp2bat1&s=THUS.L"
12:47<CutMeOwnThroat>still, opening a new xterm takes... over a second or so
12:47<CutMeOwnThroat>perhaps 3-4 seconds
12:48<EmleyMoor>How do I incorporate this into gnucash?
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12:48<CutMeOwnThroat>Xorg uses 340M virtual memory, though 8-|
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12:53<CutMeOwnThroat>palestinian, if everything "seems to work" i doubt, that a newer alsa-version help (well, it might)
12:53<twb>RSS 31968, here
12:53<fxiny>EmleyMoor: any import options ?
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12:54<EmleyMoor>It supports what F::Q supports
12:54<palestinian>CutMeOwnThroat, nothing works
12:54<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: does Xorg consume that much memory when no apps are open?
12:54<palestinian>im fucked up since I installed the new version of alsa
12:54<twb>That is, no X clients are running at all.
12:54<palestinian>fuck alsa
12:55<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, don't think so... grows over time I guess... just annoying now, because firefox also eats ... 100 MB? and I only got 500 in here
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12:55<twb>"only 500"
12:55<twb>pah
12:55<CutMeOwnThroat>palestinian, you could try to go back to the debian packagees
12:55<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, laptop
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12:55<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: kill off X and just start it again directly, then measure its consumption
12:55<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, the desktop at uni has 2GB :)
12:55<twb>Which is disgusting
12:55<palestinian>CutMeOwnThroat, u mean install alsa 13 with synaptics?
12:56<CutMeOwnThroat>palestinian, or aptitude or whatever...
12:56<fxiny>my xrogs grows too , some 0.3% every two seconds when i watch a damned webcam
12:56<CutMeOwnThroat>I guess if it's recognized, that doesnt leave so many options
12:56<twb>It's "synaptec", I think. synaptics is a manufacturer of touchpads
12:56<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, heh :)
12:57<CutMeOwnThroat>that's true
12:57<twb>fxiny: that sounds like a bug in your DRI driver
12:57<CutMeOwnThroat>well...
12:57<CutMeOwnThroat>ok, can restart X
12:57<twb>Or in the xv component anyway, I assume that goes through dri
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12:57<twb>Ugh
12:57<fxiny>twb: my dri driver ? same bug on two different hardware ? i belive is the evil microsomething server doing it
12:58<twb>Why don't people use screen so they don't have to leave IRC when they kill X?
12:58<Ganneff>some people are unable to use a non-gui app.
12:58<twb>Idiots
12:58<twb>It's not any harder
12:58<Supaplex>but I am using screen and irssi :)
12:58<fxiny>twb: same site firefox or opera can't follow some links : a pop up comes up asking for a php file to save
12:59<Ganneff>no reason to call them idiots
12:59<twb>Ganneff: I'm irascible
12:59<fxiny>i'm using screen and irssi
12:59<fxiny>so what ?
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13:00<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: well?
13:00<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i'm looking into gnucash right now , i'm curious
13:00<CutMeOwnThroat>4197 root 5 -10 335m 3984 1772 S 6.6 0.8 0:02.07 Xorg
13:01<CutMeOwnThroat>but I nearly don't think that's why everything is so slow...
13:01<CutMeOwnThroat>just watched... when I start xchat, hard disk is running like wild and top is showin 98% wait
13:01<twb>It's using 335M immediately after booting, without any clients?
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13:02<CutMeOwnThroat>anyways... it's definitely an "only 500MB", if X uses 300 and firefox uses 200
13:02<palestinian>CutMeOwnThroat, i did and now just give me the possibility to choose eh....isa legacy
13:02<CutMeOwnThroat>well, there are of course some clients
13:03<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: you might want to learn how to use a faster browser like w3m.
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13:03<CutMeOwnThroat>nah
13:03<CutMeOwnThroat>it's mostly using "only" 70 mb
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13:03<CutMeOwnThroat>palestinian, so which did you choose?
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13:04<twb>It uses an order of magnitude less memory.
13:04<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, how much does your X server use?
13:04<twb>And it doesn't require X, further reducing resource requirements.
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13:04<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: I told you, 30M
13:04<CutMeOwnThroat>oh, didnt see
13:04<CutMeOwnThroat>doh
13:04<CutMeOwnThroat>well, I just hit ctrl-alt-backspace
13:04<twb>03:53 <twb> RSS 31968, here
13:05<CutMeOwnThroat>and that's what I see directly after loging in
13:05<CutMeOwnThroat>RSS?
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13:05<twb>Resident Swap Size
13:06<palestinian>CutMeOwnThroat, all of alsa in synaptics
13:06<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: what display driver are you using?
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13:06<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, the 335 are "VIRT" in top... "RES" is 3836
13:07<davidh>anyone can help me to get kernel to build etch 4.0?
13:07<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, i810
13:07<chealer>davidh: I don't understand your question.
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13:07<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: I think that is the amount of swap in use
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13:08<twb>It certainly isn't just memory, because between evince and Xorg, 750M of VIRT is being used on this system
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13:09<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, I think VIRT is the whole amount of memory used... much of that can be swapped out
13:09<twb>Yep
13:09<twb>It's in the top manual.
13:09<davidh>chealer: I need to know how to obtain the Linux Kernel source that is used to build etch 4.0 (debian)
13:10<CutMeOwnThroat>so... Xorg uses similar amounts of that for you...
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13:10<chealer>davidh: do you just mean that you want the source of the Linux version in Debian 4.0?
13:10<CutMeOwnThroat>lets see what happens if i start firefox
13:10<ricky>!kernel source
13:10<dpkg>To install debian kernel source (kernel source with debian patches) run, aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 (in etch).
13:10<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, really strange
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13:11<CutMeOwnThroat>perhaps the harddisk has a problem?
13:11<CutMeOwnThroat>it's acting like swapping, but
13:11<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: what are the actual symptoms?
13:11<fxiny>pr0n buffer overflow ?
13:12<CutMeOwnThroat>slow, , mouse ointer doesnt move smoothly, typing is delayed (now during starting firefox)
13:12<CutMeOwnThroat>perhaps DMA is switched off?
13:12<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: this is just within firefox?
13:12<twb>I have that problem, but only with firefox
13:13<twb>For example, resizing the firefox window or changing tabs takes >>2 seconds
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13:13<CutMeOwnThroat> top shows 97%wait for the CPU
13:13<twb>OK, that's different. What processes are chewing up CPU?
13:13<fxiny>my icewilly resizes as a charm
13:13<CutMeOwnThroat>none
13:13<CutMeOwnThroat>it's 97% WAIT
13:14<twb>Oh right
13:14<ifvoid>CutMeOwnThroat: sounds like you have a lack of memory
13:14<CutMeOwnThroat>probably waiting for the disk
13:14<davidh>chealer: This is the first step
13:14<CutMeOwnThroat>ifvoid, but it's not swapping
13:14<CutMeOwnThroat>most swapspace is unused
13:14<ifvoid>weird
13:14<davidh>chealer: can you tell me how to get it so that I can compile and build it?
13:15<chealer>davidh: the source for Debian's Linux 2.6.18 images is in the linux-source-2.6.18 package.
13:15<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, how does UDMA look like for emulated scsi-disks?
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13:15<davidh>chealer: If I do `apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18`, I should get the package?
13:16<chealer>davidh: yes
13:16<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: you mean sata disks?
13:16<CutMeOwnThroat>no... normal ide disk (afaik), but usind /dev/sda etc to be able to use the cd/dvd burner
13:16<CutMeOwnThroat>s/usind/using/
13:17<ifvoid>CutMeOwnThroat: uh, what kernel are you using?
13:17<ifvoid>that scsi emulation stuff has been obsolete for ages
13:17<CutMeOwnThroat>2.6.18-3
13:17<CutMeOwnThroat>hm
13:17<CutMeOwnThroat>so long ago since I installed this :)
13:17<CutMeOwnThroat>forgot what hardware i have *g*
13:17<fxiny>typical
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13:18<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: so find out.
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13:18<CutMeOwnThroat> Vendor: ATA Model: TOSHIBA MK8025GA Rev: KA02
13:18<CutMeOwnThroat>normal ata... but addressed as sda
13:18<twb>Probably because it's a SATA drive.
13:19<davidh>chealer: What are linux-support-2.6.18-4, and linux-tree-2.6.18?
13:19<chealer>davidh: did you check their descriptions?
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13:19<CutMeOwnThroat>maybe...
13:20<palestinian>how can I know what packet contains snd.ko?
13:20<twb>My disks have a line "SATA-I signaling speed (1.5Gb/s)" in /sbin/hdparm -I /dev/sda
13:20<twb>The (P)ATA disks do not.
13:20<chealer>!tell palestinian about search
13:20<chealer>palestinian: it's called a package, not a packet.
13:21<palestinian>sorry
13:21<CutMeOwnThroat>mine doesnt
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13:21<twb>Interesting.
13:21<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: wait, are you talking about a hard disk, or an ATAPI device?
13:22<palestinian>apt-cache search snd.ko dont says
13:22<CutMeOwnThroat>hard disk
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13:22<twb>That is odd.
13:22<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: on the DMA line, which entry has an asterisk?
13:23<palestinian>plz,someone can help me
13:23<CutMeOwnThroat>udma5
13:23<chealer>!search
13:23<dpkg>it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ...
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13:23<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: so DMA is on full
13:23<palestinian>yes I did
13:23<palestinian>but it dont says where
13:23<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, that's the current setting
13:23<CutMeOwnThroat>?
13:23<twb>CutMeOwnThroat: yes.
13:23<CutMeOwnThroat>hm
13:23<chealer>palestinian: not apt-cache search. "To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'." is the relevant part.
13:24<CutMeOwnThroat>then I have no clue what's slowing it down
13:24<CutMeOwnThroat>perhaps I try the windows-way and reboot
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13:24<palestinian>chealer, i did apt-cache search snd.ko and I cant find
13:24<palestinian>it dont says where
13:24<fxiny>reboot is like politics
13:25<CutMeOwnThroat>palestinian, To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'
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13:25<CutMeOwnThroat>palestinian, that part was for you :)
13:25<twb>fxiny: everybody does it, and it doesn't help anyone?
13:25<chealer>palestinian: that's not what you need to do. you need to do # apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo;
13:25<fxiny>twb: i don't do politics . i follow rules
13:25<twb>fxiny: the first woman to reboot was in 1947?
13:25<CutMeOwnThroat>fxiny, sometimes it happens but you didnt want to?
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13:26<fxiny>twb: in 1947 we could walk aroound this planet
13:26<palestinian>chealer, and where I put the name of the file i want?
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13:27<fxiny>CutMeOwnThroat: of course it happens . yeahhhhh
13:27<chealer>palestinian: replace "foo" by "snd.ko"
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13:28<fxiny>twb: and that was a RIGHT issue . nothing to do with politics which is the perverted way to deny rights
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13:29<fxiny>so politics sucks
13:29<ranix>if someone is legally dead, and is resussitated, have they been rebooted?
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13:29<CutMeOwnThroat>This doesnt look like swapping madly to me anyways: Swap: 1060280k total, 45076k used, 1015204k free, 15844k cached
13:29<palestinian>chealer, its stop here:
13:29<CutMeOwnThroat>perhaps swapspace is broken somehow?
13:29<palestinian>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
13:30<chealer>palestinian: is apt-file installed
13:30<chealer>?
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13:30<palestinian>how to know?
13:30<CutMeOwnThroat>I mean, I have an uptime of 13 hours and swapspace is not full? Seems unusual
13:30<chealer>palestinian: what's your favorite package manager?
13:30<palestinian>chealer, aptitude
13:30<palestinian>but i dont know to use none
13:30<palestinian>im newbie
13:31<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, ah... found it
13:31<chealer>palestinian: why not use something simpler such as Synaptic or Adept then?
13:31<CutMeOwnThroat>I guess
13:31<ranix>apt is easy to use
13:31<palestinian>chealer, i looked for snd.ko in synaptic and i didnt find
13:31<CutMeOwnThroat>dmesg says ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting....
13:31<ranix>what is this snd.ko
13:32<CutMeOwnThroat>if it's doing that often enough.....
13:32<CutMeOwnThroat>that would lock up IO, I guess
13:32<chealer>palestinian: it should be easy to determine whether apt-file is installed using Synaptic. are you able to?
13:32<ranix>dpkg -l | grep apt-file
13:32<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep apt-file
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13:32<ranix>sorry dpkg, wasn't talking to you
13:32<palestinian>chealer, yes,its installed
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13:33<CutMeOwnThroat>ranix, the man who talks to the bots ;)
13:33<chealer>palestinian: then the output is normal. the only thing you really need to do is $ apt-file search snd.ko
13:33<ranix>why is he even looking for a snd.ko
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13:33<palestinian>chealer, its dont give me answer
13:33<palestinian>ahm,yes,it gave
13:34<CutMeOwnThroat>oh well... reboot it is... removing the kernel module didnt work
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13:34<ranix>careful CutMeOwnThroat, I can't think of a reason removing a module would fail
13:34<ranix>you shouldn't have to reboot for that
13:34<ranix>maybe if you've changed your kernel since the last boot
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13:35<davidh>chealer: what command to handle *.tar.bz
13:36<ranix>davidh: bzip2
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13:36<chealer>davidh: tar
13:36<Kevadu>I need help with DVD burning. I'm running Debian testing and recently did an update and now both k3b and xcdroast tell me there is no blank media in the drive, even though there is
13:36<palestinian>chealer, no,I want to know what package includes it to install it,no what package in my computer does
13:36<Kevadu>This used to work fine before I updated
13:37<ranix>tar -jxvf *.tar.bz
13:37<ranix>but you must have bzip2 installed
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13:37<kirkroy>whoa....
13:37<chealer>palestinian: huh. apt-file search foo; tells you which package(s) includes foo, so that you can install the package you need.
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13:38<chant>Is there a way to list all packages in apt-cache which provide mail-transport-agent ?
13:38<kirkroy>um, hello. anyone think they can help me with a connectivity problem?
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13:38<ranix>don't ask if you can ask, kirkroy, just dive in
13:38<CutMeOwnThroat>ha... I guess reboot it was
13:38<chealer>chant: yes. $ apt-cache showpkg mail-transport-agent
13:39<chealer>kirkroy: just ask your question.
13:39<CutMeOwnThroat>ranix, removing the module did not fail... it just didnt fix things...
13:39<chant>woo
13:39<chant>thanks.
13:39<ranix>ah
13:39<kirkroy>rgr, sorry. well, I can get debian to connect going out, but I can't seem to get any other 'puters to telnet or otherwise connect in.
13:39<ranix>and you're running telnetd, kirkroy?
13:40<CutMeOwnThroat>ranix, and I think that was a good hint, that just some hardware component was running wild in some way...... which should be reset into its normal state afer reboot... and it did
13:40<ifvoid>kirkroy: are you behind a firewall or router of some sort?
13:40<CutMeOwnThroat>amazing... rebooting normally NEVER works
13:40<kirkroy>right now I'm on bitchx. I'm trying to get a windows 'puter to login via win telnet, ftp, anything.
13:40<Kevadu>Does anyone at least have a clue why k3b would claim there is no medium present even though there is?
13:40<kirkroy>no firewall. just 2 routers.
13:40<ranix>CutMeOwnThroat: glad it worked, rebooting is a last resort that I only do when I'm ready to bang my head against a wall
13:41<ifvoid>kirkroy: 2?
13:41<ifvoid>kirkroy: is either of them masquerading?
13:41<ranix>and you're running telnetd, kirkroy?
13:41<kirkroy>one for the cablemodem signal to split to 4 places, and one in my room.
13:41<Kevadu>As far as I can tell the device is detected properly
13:41<ifvoid>kirkroy: oh, switches
13:41<ifvoid>kirkroy: that's a different beats than a router
13:42<stoned>when I click my right mouse button on the desktop, stuff happens
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13:42<kirkroy>oh. sorry, I'm almost new at this.
13:42<fxiny>kevadu: what are you tryìng to do ?
13:42<ranix>kirkroy: try apt-get install telnetd lol
13:42<CutMeOwnThroat>ranix, yeah, I also normally dont do it, as it seldom helps...remember that dilbert comic... hotline: "did you already try rebooting without saving your data 1st?" dilbert: "yes, several times"
13:43<kirkroy>rgr that.
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13:43<ranix>I remember when telnet was the coolest thing since sliced bread
13:43<Kevadu>fxiny: I'm trying to burn a DVD. It used to work fine before I updated Debian, but now it claims there is no medium present
13:43<stoned>dude
13:43<kirkroy>lol, years ago.
13:43<stoned>what is so great about sliced bread?
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13:43<ranix>stoned: it's the standard for cool, where have you been
13:44<stoned>sliced bread?
13:44<CutMeOwnThroat>stoned, I never was able to figure that one either....
13:44<kirkroy>so telnetd will let windows based 'puters login?
13:44<ranix>kirkroy: you need to google for telnet to figure out what it does
13:44<fxiny>Kevadu: how big is that ?
13:44<stoned>dude, nanobots, space travel, a picture of earth from outside the solar system, and you're going off about sliced bread?
13:44<ranix>kirkroy: what your asksing is a lot like a blind person asking what it's like to see
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13:44<CutMeOwnThroat>sliced bread rots faster, dries out faster and you cant use it for hammering in nails after half a year...
13:44<ranix>kirkroy: there is basic information you can't convey with words
13:44<Kevadu>fxiny: The ISO? About 4 gigs
13:44<kirkroy>*blink*
13:44<Kevadu>fxiny: Trying to burn to a standard DVD-R
13:44<kirkroy>well if it helps telnetd is now installed.
13:45<ranix>do an ifconfig and find out what the machine's IP address is
13:45<kirkroy>rgr.
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13:46<ranix>then in your windows machine, use a telnet client to connect to that IP at port 22
13:46<kirkroy>allright, so would I use the inet, bcast or mask address?
13:46<ranix>(I think 22)
13:46<ranix>inet
13:46<kirkroy>logic says I use the inet addy.
13:46<kirkroy>rgr.
13:46<fxiny>23 ?
13:46<ranix>23 sounds more correct
13:46<ranix>22 is... ftp?
13:46<ranix>yeah
13:46<fxiny>ssh
13:46<kirkroy>I'll try both
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13:47<kirkroy>neither worked, 22 or 23.
13:48<CutMeOwnThroat>22 is ssh.... 23 telnet, 25 smtp
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13:48<kirkroy>I'll try 23 again, just because.
13:48<CutMeOwnThroat>hm
13:48<ranix>what are you doing in windows to connect to it
13:48<raghos>I'm having trouble switching keyboard layouts in unstable. Could anybody help?
13:49<fxiny>Kevadu: can you mount a data dvd ? does eject works ?
13:49<CutMeOwnThroat>22 said connection refused?
13:49<ranix>the commands should be as follows:
13:49<ranix>telnet
13:49<kirkroy>trying to connect via telnet in windows from a different puter.
13:49<ranix>open 192.168.0.10 23
13:49<ranix>where 192.168.0.10 is your ip instead of mine
13:49<kirkroy>rgr that.
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13:50<ranix>installs must have come a long way in the past 7 years
13:50<ranix>I barely managed to get potato installed back in the day
13:50<fxiny>Kevadu: does kde automount a dvd ?
13:50<chealer>raghos: ask your real question.
13:50<ranix>and I knew a great deal about that stuff comparatively
13:50<kirkroy>niiiice... it worked. thanx guys.
13:51<CutMeOwnThroat>actually... I think sshd should be running on port 22 in a default installation... and telnet should be able to connect to that - although it would just print SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 or something similar
13:51<ranix>haha no prob kirkroy
13:51<ranix>next, learn about SSH
13:51<ranix>and get the Putty client for windows
13:51<ranix>it's much better than telnet
13:51<kirkroy>rgr those. I just wanted to get a basic connection working first.
13:52<raghos>chealer:ok, the question is: do I need to change xorg.conf manually to be able to switch keyboards layouts, or can GNOME take care of it? it used to work, but no longer. I have set up two layouts (us,es) and a shortcut (both shift keys) to change it, but it doesn't work.
13:52<ranix>Can't xmodmap handle what raghos is looking to do?
13:53<twb>I think xmodmap is deprecated by the GNOME and FDO weenies
13:53<ranix>good lord I hate gnome
13:53<chealer>ranix: setxkbmap
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13:53<ranix>aah
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13:53<raghos>so is that a no? can gnome do it?
13:53<twb>Of course they don't make it obvious how to do simple things with xkb like disable the caps key
13:53<fxiny>btw : ftp is 21 nbot 22
13:54<fxiny>21 22 23
13:54<Kevadu>fxiny: OK, so I can't mount DVDs in that drive...that's certainly a problem. I know I used to be able to. Eject still works, though
13:54<twb>They assume you only want to change the entire layout to French or whatever
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13:55<kirkroy>allright, next step is getting the MUD server running again. Like I said, I'm almost new at this, but that basic step is all I needed. Tx again guys.
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13:55<chealer>raghos: you don't need to change xorg.conf at all.
13:55<raghos>ok
13:55<fxiny>Kevadu: how can eject works if you cannot mount a data dvd ?
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13:55<raghos>I tried adding a new layout in the keyboard applet and set up a shortcut.
13:55<Kevadu>fxiny: A disc doesn't have to be mounted to eject it
13:55<Kevadu>fxiny: "eject /dev/hdb"
13:55<ranix>twb: that whole project seems to be more about disabling functionality than making it easier to use. Who is in charge of deciding "We should make this more obtuse to make it less likely for a new user to encounter it, thereby creating the illusion of usability"?
13:55<fxiny>Kevadu: my bad :)
13:55<raghos>but trying to switch directly with the applet or the keyboard shortcut does nothing.
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13:56<twb>ranix: Apple
13:56<ranix>twb: ooooh. Let there be light.
13:56<twb>Go read the System 7 HIG
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13:57<fxiny>Kevadu: so we look into /etc/fstab , anything like : /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 ?
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13:57<Kevadu>fxiny: Yeah, the fstab line is fine
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13:58<CutMeOwnThroat>twb, hehe
13:58<fxiny>Kevadu: also check /media for a cdrom symlink to cdrom0
13:58<chaoticmass>What is the right way to get nvidia drivers working on xorg and get DRI? Using Debian Etch and Geforce4 MX 440. If there is a site online that covers this, you can refer me to that too.
13:59<twb>Oh shit
13:59<twb>xkb has hosed my keymap
13:59<twb>Now I'm stuck in Emacs FOREVER
13:59<ranix>twb: I can think of worse fates
13:59<twb>:-)
13:59<ranix>next time you might get stuck in gedit
14:00<fxiny>Kevadu: and type in a console : groups to see if you are in cdrom group
14:00<twb>Fortunately, I'm smart enough to fix it. M-! ratpoison -c 'source ~/.ratpoisonrc' will re-run xmodmap
14:00<raghos>oh, weird. now it seems to be flipping the keyboard layout horozintaly.
14:00<Kevadu>fxiny: The exact location I use in fstab is /media/dvdrw (I edited it myself, I'm plenty familiar with fstab) and all the directories are there
14:00<raghos>damn it.
14:00<fxiny>Kevadu: sorry mate, i thought you were a noob :)
14:00<ranix>saturday is noob day after all
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14:01<fxiny>Kevadu: can you mount a dvd as root ?
14:01<raghos>any alternative options to set layouts?
14:02<Kevadu>fxiny: Nope, I can't. I just tried it manually specifying all the options at the command line to be sure, and got the error: mount: No medium found
14:03<twb>Kevadu: is there a CD in the drive?
14:03<Kevadu>twb: Yes, I'm not that dumb ;)
14:03<twb>I am
14:03<ranix>I got out the paper clip once when I couldn't eject the drive
14:03<ranix>It was mounted :(
14:03<fxiny>Kevadu: ls -al /dev/hdc ?
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14:04<twb>fxiny: -a is useless there
14:04<Kevadu>fxiny: It's hdb, and I get: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 64 2007-07-15 00:15 /dev/hdb
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14:05<Kevadu>I have another DVD drive (just a reader), BTW, and the disc I'm trying mounts fine there
14:05<fxiny>hdb ?
14:05<fxiny>i see
14:05<Kevadu>hda is my reader, hdb is my writer
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14:05<Kevadu>My hard drives are SATA
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14:05<NOVATO_GNU>exit
14:06<fxiny>twb: right : i own you a frog tail , get the cauldron ready :)
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14:09<Kevadu>The stuff in /proc/ide looks normal...the device is certainly detected
14:09<ranix>NOVATO_GNU: slick
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14:09<fxiny>hmmm . why is 3, 64 ?
14:10<fxiny>Kevadu: file /dev/hdc ?
14:10<fxiny>twb: :)
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14:10<Kevadu>fxiny: What about hdc? I like have an hdc
14:10<ranix>like, cool]
14:11<Kevadu>fxiny: hdb gives me: /dev/hdb: block special (3/64)
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14:11<fxiny>3 64 ?
14:11<Kevadu>Dunno, that's what it says
14:13<fxiny>anyway we can't blame k3b which is pretty good for all of us. given k3b quality
14:13<fxiny>nero can stay with wiondows :P
14:13<Kevadu>fxiny: Well yeah, given that I can't mount I don't think it has anything to do with k3b. I just didn't think to even test that...why would mounting suddenly stop working?
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14:15<fxiny>Kevadu: suddenly ? so is not a fresh installl ?
14:16<kb3ien>i useded to have a working debian system that used xfree86. i exported a list of installed pkgs in case it broke. it broke. i cannot seem to get xfree86 worknig again.
14:16<Kevadu>fxiny: Not at all. I haven't even updated my kernel since the last time I successfully used the drive
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14:16<kb3ien>is there a DECENT primer for getting a clean debian system working with ati drivers?
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14:17<witte>!tell kb3ien about ati
14:17<piju>can debian lenny use beryl ?
14:17<piju>can or cannot ?
14:17<kb3ien>for some reason the system likes to do xorg and logs errors to xorg.
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14:19<zino>can't install mplayer on my sid machine: http://rafb.net/p/ZbcuDw26.html
14:19<zino>I suppose it is #434509 but would like to know how to workaround it
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14:20<witte>kb3ien: debian stable is using xorg. what are you using for debian if you are still using xfree
14:20<chealer>zino: if you have to ask, you should'nt use sid.
14:21<zino>chealer: I see. do you know a channel more appropriate for this?
14:21<gravity>piju: Sure
14:21<chealer>zino: no. I recommend you reinstall testing or stable.
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14:21<zino>chealer: thanx anyway.
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14:39<piju>gravity; can u give me step by step how to install beryl on debian lenny/sid ?
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14:40<ranix>step 1: install beryl. step 2: realize it's useless. step3: uninstall beryl
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14:42<kop>I want to use a serial console. Does debian's grub come with a ./configure-ed preset menu? If so what is it and what's the debain way to install grub so that it's used? Any other serial console hints?
14:42<sheldonh>i've installed subversion and subversion-tools on etch but can't find hot-backup.py anywhere
14:43<ranix>kop: you can simply provide the kernel argument "console=/dev/ttyS0" IIRC
14:43<kop>ranix : That'll work for the kernel, but not for the grub boot menu.
14:44<kop>ranix : (Unless there's some magic I don't know about.)
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14:44<ranix>you're right about that. I've never used grub that way, was using redboot instead
14:45<hutschi>hello, I could need help compiling the libsane library... Does anyone know where I can find the sources on an installed system?
14:45<kop>ranix : I can put stuff in the regular grub config file, but I'm worried that that's read late in the boot sequence. Grub has a "preset menu" that (I think) winds up complied in.
14:46<kop>hutschi : There's a debian way to rebuild the package, but I'm not sure what it is. It'll be documented in the reference manual on debian.org, I think.
14:46<hutschi>i see -- so will have a look there...thanks :)
14:47<kop>I know that debian does something with serial consoles, because I think I heard the new installer will install one.
14:47<kop>hutschi : There's some irc hint-type thing via ! that will tell you too, but I don't know it. :(
14:48<gravity>piju: No, I'm sorry I can't. There's tons of docs on the web though, just google it.
14:48<hutschi>no problem - i will try to find hints in the manual...
14:48<gravity>piju: It's the same steps to get it working on etch
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15:02<sheldonh>how do i make vi the system-wide editor. i've set EDITOR in /etc/profile like i would on other platforms, and logged out and back in and it's still unset
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15:02<dondelelcaro>sheldonh: if you want vi to be the system wide editor by default, then you should update-alternatives --config editor
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15:04<dondelelcaro>sheldonh: setting the EDITOR variable in /etc/profile is a bad idea, because EDITOR is how users override the default, not how the systemwide default is set. Finally, /etc/profile is only sourced for bash login shells; if it's not set, then something else is unsetting it (or you're not actually setting it properly)
15:04<twb>Setting ANYTHING in /etc/profile is exceedingly rude and ill-considerate
15:05<twb>RHEL forces ls to have --color=auto in /etc/profile, and it annoys me no end.
15:05<dondelelcaro>well, there are reasons to set things in /etc/profile, but generally you shouldn't do so after there are actually users
15:05<kop>However, it's possible to set /etc/skel/.bash_profile, and then update each users profile -- and not alter the system default.
15:05<kop>That's a pain.
15:06<dondelelcaro>(and it's not like you can't change the ls alias)
15:06<twb>dondelelcaro: you'd have to *test* for the alias and then remove it
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15:06<sheldonh>dondelelcaro, twb: thanks
15:07<twb>Since /home is shared across a number of hosts, some of which are not running a GNU userland.
15:07<dondelelcaro>twb: so?
15:07<twb>So that is bloat
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15:07<dondelelcaro>it's bloat because you have to handle all of the different OSes you want to run your .bashrc on?
15:08<softwork>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii people
15:08<softwork>lol
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15:08<twb>It's bloat because I shouldn't have to route around idiotic blunders made by the distributor.
15:08<dondelelcaro>twb: the distributor makes a decision. It's trivial to override the decision.
15:08<twb>Grmph
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15:08<streuner>!tell softwork about ask
15:08<dondelelcaro>hell, it takes less time to do it than you've spent complaining in here about how crappy the decision is
15:09<twb>It would bloat my .profile
15:09<softwork>ok
15:09<dondelelcaro>twb: if it adds more than 3 lines something is seriously wrong
15:09<kop>dondelelcaro : You gotta admit. Add lots of little stuff and things get confusing and brittle.
15:10<dondelelcaro>but if that's a serious problem, then by all means suffer, but do so in silence.
15:10<twb>Bloat is not measured in lines
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15:10<twb>Well, I was only using it as an example, as a brief aside, but you questioned me further.
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15:11<kop>If I tell the kernel I want a console on ttyS0, then there's no need for a getty in /etc/inittab, is there? I'd rather check now then spend 10 minutes rebooting etc., if that's ok.
15:11<dondelelcaro>kop: that console is only for booting
15:11<dondelelcaro>kop: if you actually want to login or do anything useful on ttyS0, you need a getty running login there.
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15:12<kop>dondelelcaro : Ok. The console's stricly output.
15:12<dondelelcaro>(and you don't need to reboot to get a getty there either)
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15:13<dondelelcaro>kop: yeah, in that case it's fine
15:13<bady>hi
15:13<kop>dondelelcaro : Right. But i"ve no kvm and only one monitor and things are painful....
15:13<dondelelcaro>kop: yeah; I personally usually through a getty on the serial console anyway just in case I need it
15:14<dondelelcaro>s/through/throw/; but you can do that later if you decide you need it
15:14<kop>dondelelcaro : But I've got fuzz in my brain. When I'm running in single user mode, what determines whether I'm talking to tty0 or ttyS0?
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15:15<kop>dondelelcaro : Your right, no reason not to allow input just in case.
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15:16<dondelelcaro>kop: inittab determines that
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15:16<kop>dondelelcaro : I'm thinking it's the kernel boot "console" option...
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15:17<kop>dondelelcaro : inittab has getty's for runlevels 2 and up defined, but not runlevel 1.
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15:17<kop>dondelelcaro : This makes sense, because there's only init running. Period.
15:17<dondelelcaro>kop: sure it does; it calls sulogin.
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15:17<kop>dondelelcaro : Oh. Duh.
15:18<kop>dondelelcaro : but wait a minute. How does sulogin know what tty to use? Does it not use what the kernel "console" boot option tells it to use?
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15:19<dondelelcaro>kop: it uses whatever the "current terminal" is
15:19[~]dondelelcaro has no clue how that's defined
15:19<kop>dondelelcaro : My bet is on the "console" kernel boot option. I'll look it up.
15:20<dondelelcaro>if you only have a serial console defined, that's probably what it uses
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15:20<dondelelcaro>'course, most of the time I play around with this sort of thing, I've got both a tty0 and a ttyS0 going
15:21<kop>dondelelcaro : I've a wierd pizzabox that's got a strange video connection and want to use it headless.
15:22<kop>dondelelcaro : But I won't be entirely successful because the there's no bios option for a bios serial console.
15:23<kop>dondelelcaro : Which is why I've given up trying to figure out the the grub "preset menu".
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15:26<kop>dondelelcaro : It seems the "console" bootparam is a x86 thing, and there's other choices for (some) other architectures. I'm going to try it out and see what happens. Thanks for helping me talk though this.
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15:31<blarson>kop: When I want to boot headless, I usually just disconnect the keyboard. Of course, that's on sun hardware.
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15:33<panagos>what is the difference between using lvm and using a single partition?
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15:35<palestinian>hi
15:35<palestinian>I reinstalled debian
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15:35<palestinian>now the alsa detect my soundcard, and the alsamixer is ok,but in the icon of sound of gnome i have a X and it said that may be that my card is not well configured or something about gstreamer...
15:35<palestinian>how can i know why its happening?
15:36<petemc>is it muted?
15:36<palestinian>no...no M in alsamixer
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15:46<panagos>why should i use lvm instead of just making a single partition?
15:47<Ganneff>can you easily add the space of a new harddisk into your single partition?
15:47<Ganneff>or resize it at will whenever your needs change?
15:47<streuner>!tell walber about away
15:47<Ganneff>(without loooooooooooooooooong downtimes and lots of hassle)
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15:49<DiAbInHo>good night, I have a webcam installed on my Debian system (installed yesterday), a Logitech Quickcam zoom, I used PWC to install it. It was everything working fine but now my printer (HP LaserJet 1005) does not work. The most strange fact is that it worked a few hours ago (printer + webcam). Now, the webcam does not work if I turn the printer on, and the printer does not work at all (even with the webcam off).
15:50<DiAbInHo>I tried to change the USB port both of the webcam and printer, but no positive results
15:50<DiAbInHo>And it worked a few hours ago... what happened to the printer I really need it
15:51<DiAbInHo>oh, and if I turn the printer into an USB port, the lsusb command gets blocked when typed
15:51<DiAbInHo>If I turn the printer off, the lsusb command works fine
15:52<DiAbInHo>but the printer is not trashed... I don't know what to do... any help?
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16:03<DiAbInHo>cmon ppl
16:03<DiAbInHo>[Sat-09:49:14pm] « DiAbInHo » good night, I have a webcam installed on my Debian system (installed yesterday), a Logitech Quickcam zoom, I used PWC to install it. It was everything working fine but now my printer (HP LaserJet 1005) does not work. The most strange fact is that it worked a few hours ago (printer + webcam). Now, the webcam does not work if I turn the printer on, and the printer does not work at all (even with the webcam off).
16:03<DiAbInHo>[Sat-09:49:28pm] « DiAbInHo » I tried to change the USB port both of the webcam and printer, but no positive results
16:03<DiAbInHo>[Sat-09:49:59pm] « DiAbInHo » And it worked a few hours ago... what happened to the printer I really need it
16:03<DiAbInHo>[Sat-09:50:51pm] « DiAbInHo » oh, and if I turn the printer into an USB port, the lsusb command gets blocked when typed
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16:03<DiAbInHo>[Sat-09:51:19pm] « DiAbInHo » but the printer is not trashed... I don't know what to do... any help?
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16:04<chealer>DiAbInHo: be nice with your enter key.
16:04<DiAbInHo>sorry
16:05<DiAbInHo>chealer could you help me?
16:05<DiAbInHo>man this is really strange
16:05<chealer>DiAbInHo: I don't know
16:05<DiAbInHo>:(
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16:06<sheldonh>anyone know if duplicity has to be installed on the server as well, or just the client?
16:07<panagos>Ganneff: but if i use only one hard disk, i don't see the difference. i just have one partition and the file system takes care of the rest... though if i later add another disk, i can see the benefits :)
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16:10<panagos>Ganneff: but if i have only one hard drive with one partition, why would i want to resize it anyway?
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16:26<panagos>ok, something else: if i want to use LVM, does it matter how i make my initial partitioning (in terms of reliability, maintainability, etc)?
16:29<lupine_85>not particularly; you can always add more physical volumes to your volume group
16:29<lupine_85>on HD with one partition... not much point to LVM though
16:30[~]lupine_85 has it, but he tends to have 3 or 4 different linux distributions installed at any one time
16:31<twb>Put it this way: if you use LVM, the volume setup within LVM matters a lot less than if you were setting up partitions without LVM
16:32<lupine_85>although striped vs., umm, the other one, is a consideration with more than one PV
16:32<SixF9>but you pay with performance and resources
16:32<SixF9>you should mention that also
16:32<lupine_85>speed vs. reliability
16:32<twb>I personally enjoy the ability to make /var/cache striped across cheap disks, and /home limited to 10GB, without losing the ability to change the allocated space at a later date.
16:32<lupine_85>SixF9: I doubt that there's any significant overhead
16:33<SixF9>and lets say ... you give your "linux partition" about 10GB space you should be fine in most cases
16:33<twb>I also cherish the ability to easily move volumes to new disks as the old ones degrade
16:33<lupine_85>don't forget replication
16:33<lupine_85>that's "wow"
16:33<twb>lupine_85: hmm?
16:33<lupine_85>you can replicate LVs, instantly
16:33<twb>You mean snapshots?
16:33<lupine_85>um, yeah
16:33<lupine_85>d'oh
16:34<SixF9>well. the average user moves his root device like ... once a year or less often
16:34<lupine_85>too much terminology
16:34<twb>That is amazingly handy for backing up scalix databases
16:34<lupine_85>SixF9: average is a bit of a misnomer :p
16:34<twb>SixF9: I am not an average user. That's why I don't use OS X.
16:34<lupine_85>I consider myself to be fairly average when it comes to linux
16:34<SixF9>lupine_85: its just not common that you often add drives
16:34<lupine_85>Really?
16:34<SixF9>at least if we talk desktop usage
16:34<twb>My desktop has no drive
16:34<lupine_85>I add them as my 1337 warez0rz store increases
16:35<SixF9>lupine_85: pft :)
16:35<lupine_85>all that copyrighted anime^W^Whome movie DVI eats up hard drive space :p
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16:35<SixF9>lupine_85: view it, delete it, re-use the space :)
16:35<twb>anime is what people who can't read Japanese use
16:36<twb>Real Men warez manga
16:36<lupine_85>/snapshots/ are great, as is the ability to grab yourself a new 10GB partition for testing a new distro
16:36<SixF9>twb: you perv :P
16:36<twb>SixF9: huh?
16:36<lupine_85>manga != hentai, surely
16:36<twb>Right.
16:36<SixF9>lupine_85: i planned that on initial partitioning. 5x 8GB
16:36<lupine_85>so you're wasting 40GB?
16:36<SixF9>ah, ok. had hentai in mind then
16:37<twb>It would be like saying Disney films are all war propaganda
16:37<SixF9>lupine_85: not at all
16:37<SixF9>that is 5 OSes
16:37<lupine_85>hentai has at least two of the following themes: schoolgirls, tentacles, rape, schoolgirls
16:37<lupine_85>;)
16:37<twb>lupine_85: not necessarily.
16:37<SixF9>1 or 2 of them get frequently replaced by test installs
16:37<lupine_85>manga has only 1
16:38<lupine_85>"Hi. I'm LVM. I'm fast, dynamic, adjustable and adaptable". "Hi. I'm not LVM. I'm carefully thought-out, or you're screwed"
16:38<lupine_85>;)
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16:38<twb>lupine_85: no, not using LVM is perfectly convienient if your requirements do not change over time.
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16:39<lupine_85>yep
16:39<lupine_85>I only use it on my home/testing machine
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16:40<twb>If I deployed a server today, it would invariably use LVM.
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16:40<twb>The only exceptions would be diskless and embedded servers.
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16:40<twb>Of course, LVM does assume that all your OSes are Linux.
16:41<lupine_85>eh, my server is extremely static, so I don't bother ;)
16:41<twb>If you use BSD or GNU, this might be troublesome.
16:41<lupine_85>(mind you, it's not much of a server)
16:41<twb>lupine_85: you don't buy new disks every four years or so?
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16:41<lupine_85>This particular server, I haven't had for four years
16:41<twb>Fair enough.
16:42<lupine_85>but no - I make regular backups and wait for things to fail, in general
16:42<lupine_85>It's a good job I don't do anything mission-critical ;)
16:43<twb>I find it inconvenient to have to, say, postpone a weekend to the seaside in order to get the server back on its feet so the rest of the house can get their myspace fix.
16:43<twb>...when it is allowed to unexpectedly fail, I mean.
16:44<lupine_85>my last web-controlling device was a soekris WRAP board
16:44<lupine_85>there's something to be said for a server with no moving parts
16:44<twb>But yeah, I wouldn't both with LVM on a workstation unless it actually contained data as well as an OS.
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16:44<twb>lupine_85: oh hells yes
16:44<lupine_85>especially when it's the same size as a mouse mat ;)
16:44<lupine_85>(bit thicker, obviously)
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16:57<palestinian>someone have a lenovo 3000 c200?
16:58<padski>I have an ethernet port and a dhcp session to my internet connection. ifconfig reports an fe80::/64 address on that interface, which I understand to be link-local. how do I find out the address on the dhcp server on other side (the ethernet is point-to-point) ? or have I made up this addres myself ?
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17:01<tcsetattr>your initial dhcp request is broadcast (it has to be: you don't know any addresses yet). when the dhcp server replies you will see its address.
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17:04<ifvoid>tcsetattr: not for ipv6
17:04<ifvoid>not sure how that works exactly, but it's not dhcp
17:05<padski>tcsetattr, yeah, I log the ipv4 dhcp traffic. there is no mention made of fe80 in my logs at all
17:06<ifvoid>padski: for ipv6 you need some ipv6 autoconfig daemon on your server
17:06<ifvoid>radvd or so
17:06<keren>hello friends. kooka tells me that it can't find any scanners. i think this is a permissions issue because running kooka as root has not this problem. the user is in the "saned" group "adduser keren saned". help?
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17:07<padski>ifvoid, I seem to have something working between two other nodes. looks like I can ping between them. I have no idea how they get the addresses. appears to be magic ;-)
17:07<ifvoid>yes, _auto_configuration
17:07<chealer>keren: what does $ groups; output?
17:07<lupine_85>ifvoid: the link-local addresses are totally magical :)
17:07<ifvoid>anyway, afaik, link-local traffic is the equivalent of 127.0.0.1
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17:08<lupine_85>ifvoid: not quite
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17:08<lupine_85>it's sort of like 10/8, 172.16/16 and 192.168/24
17:08<lupine_85>only not
17:08<ifvoid>ah
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17:08<lupine_85>basically, it's traffic that will only ever be broadcast between the machines on that physical network
17:08<padski>lupine_85, its like 169.254/16
17:09<lupine_85>Zeroconf ftl :/
17:09<lupine_85>If you have ipv6 address space, just assign the interface an address and you should be good to go
17:09<lupine_85>or install and configure radvd for even more autoconfigurability
17:10<padski>lupine_85, how do I get an ipv6 address space ?
17:10<TeLLuS>Someone else have problem with nfs4? After a while it stop working, it say Connot export /space2, possible unsupported filesystem or fsid= required. It do have fsid and it is working for some time.. I use sid and 2.6.22
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17:10<lupine_85>Generally, you'd ask your ISP for a /48
17:10<ifvoid>padski: from your isp, from 6to4, or from a tunnel broker
17:10<lupine_85>faling that, a tunnel broker or sixxs
17:10<lupine_85>6to4 is pretty cool
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17:11<lupine_85>although overloaded at times
17:11<padski>lupine_85, so I need to have a routing arrangement, its not magic ;-)
17:11<lupine_85>well, you need the transit, of course
17:11<ifvoid>well, 6to4 is like magic ;)
17:11<padski>lupine_85, is any of these free ?
17:11<lupine_85>all of them are free
17:11<lupine_85>well, your ISP might charge
17:11<lupine_85>in which case, defenestrate them and go elsewhere
17:12<padski>lupine_85, ok then, that's pretty magic :-)
17:12[~]lupine_85 has 1,208,925,819,614,629,174,706,176 usable IPv6 addresses
17:12<keren>chealer: keren dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned
17:13<lupine_85>also: did someone activate Lenny's "KDE is a bitch mode"?
17:13<lupine_85>apititude just summarily decided to uninstall 350 or so packages
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17:13<chealer>lupine_85: what?
17:13[~]lupine_85 will paste the list of packages it uninstalled to the channel...
17:13<lupine_85>j/k ;)
17:13<ifvoid>lupine_85: well, don't run upgrade then ;)
17:13<lupine_85>eh, I ran an install
17:14<lupine_85>but I normally use apt-get
17:14<palestinian>nadie tiene una lenovo 3000?
17:14<ifvoid>hmmm
17:14<ifvoid>!br
17:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:14<chealer>palestinian: #debian-es for Spanish
17:14<ifvoid>ah, guessed wrong ;)
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17:15<lupine_85>easy to do with only 3 words to go by ;)
17:15<palestinian>someone has a lenovo 3000?
17:15<takt>hello
17:15<takt>does anybody know if it is possible to build a SAN with a bundle of Linux Boxes and provide the Space via iSCSI e.g. !?
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17:16<ifvoid>tcsetattr: I guess that should be possible
17:16[~]lupine_85 defiantly upgrades after reinstalling all those packages
17:16<ifvoid>uh
17:16<ifvoid>takt:
17:16<ifvoid>tcsetattr: sorry
17:17<chealer>keren: I'm not sure, but I think the needed group is not saned. which Debian suite do you use?
17:18<Zathras>if I have a mall configured vhost in apache/apache2 and I try to access it it should be in the logs afaik. I cannot find it though. Any ideas?
17:18<keren>chealer: suite? hhhm... etch?
17:19<chealer>keren: yeah. the group may be "scanner".
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17:20<Zathras>takt, checkout openfiler
17:20<takt>okay, thx
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17:23<tcsetattr>I'm popular.
17:24<takt>it seems that openfiler is not what I'm searching for
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17:24<takt>I want to bundle the diskspace of all nodes to one big device and export it via iSCSI or NFS or whatevr...
17:25<tcsetattr>the most primitive version of that would be nbd and RAID0
17:25<petemc>does gfs do that?
17:26<takt>that would be possible, all machines are running RAID-1 and will be HA (heartbeat)
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17:28<Zathras>solved my problem
17:28<Zathras>sorry. openfiler looked cool
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17:29<takt>no problem
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17:30<tony>how do i fix my hp940c printer to work?
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17:31<dondelelcaro>!convert 1 earthradius_equatorial to miles
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17:31<keren>chealer: you were right, its "scanner". thanks
17:31<ifvoid>takt: can't you export the storage over a network block device, and then merge them in an lvm or md array?
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17:32<ifvoid>dondelelcaro: ~4000 kilometers, iirc
17:32<takt>yes, thats what I've searched for :)
17:32<dondelelcaro>ifvoid: yeah, 3980 something or other
17:32<dondelelcaro>ifvoid: was going to do math using convert, but it doesn't seem to like it
17:32<takt>do you have experience using NBD?
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17:33<ifvoid>takt: no, I just know of it
17:33<ifvoid>never used it
17:33<ifvoid>but just google, there should be lots of info about it
17:33<takt>okay, thx
17:33<padski>takt, you may want to consider failure modes if you do that
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17:34<takt>failure modes?
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17:34<padski>takt, yes, "how many ways can this go wrong"
17:34<baktaah>Hi guys
17:34<takt>all machines will be HA ;)
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17:35<takt>the HA Machines then are a RAID-0
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17:35<takt>that should work as an SAN I think
17:35<Sbaktaah>Excuse me, does debian have support intel 4946 Wifi cards?
17:35<padski>takt, sounds like you'll be having fun then :-)
17:35<Sbaktaah>for
17:36<takt>do I hear irony?
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17:39<ifvoid>takt: you should have some raid0+1-like way to combine the storage of the different machines
17:39<ifvoid>takt: then when 1 machine fails, the dat awon't be lost
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17:40<takt>I thought about the following, every node has 2 HDD's with 300GB, they will do RAID-0 -> 600GB Storage
17:40<takt>I've got 3 Nodes, they do RAID-5 (over Network) - 1,2TB Usable Space
17:41<ifvoid>raid0 is danegrous
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17:41<takt>I know, but I've got the RAID-5 over Network
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17:41<ifvoid>I would just export all individual disks over nbd, and combine thos in a raid1+0 or 0+1 fashion
17:41<takt>so If one of the nodes looses an HDD I can recover it!
17:41<ifvoid>in such a way that either a disk can fail, or an entire machine
17:41<takt>thats possible too
17:41<kurumin>#debian-br
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17:42<ifvoid>takt: anyway, 6 harddisks fit in 1 machine easuly
17:42<ifvoid>takt: and for 1.2TB storage, you could also pcik up 3x750 or 4x500GB
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17:43<takt>of course they do... atm I don't need much storage, but I need scalability
17:43<ifvoid>and run a normal raid5 on that
17:43<ifvoid>ah
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17:43<ifvoid>thjen it makes sense, I guess
17:43<takt>because the more customers I get, the more storage I need ;)
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17:44<ifvoid>although I'd avoid raid0
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17:45<takt>okay
17:45<ifvoid>but a separate server for just 600GB storage seems overkill
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17:46<takt>what do you think about 100mbit/s connections between 300GB Storage and a Webserver?
17:46<ifvoid>too slow
17:47<takt>my thought was that the files that the server provides will be very small in most case..
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17:47<takt>I think I will use gigabit ethernet
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17:50<DawnLight>friends. if i'm setting up a printer with the gutenprint driver, do i need the foomatic-db-gutenprint package?
17:51<takt>I think so
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18:14<nick>when using make-kpkg how do I tell it to pass -s option to make so I don't see all of the commands it runs? What file can I edit to make it always do this?
18:15<lontra>if i'm running sid and i've made a packaged a program (kio-sysinfo), is there a make that i can make this package compatible with lenny and etch? in pbuilder perhaps?
18:15<tcsetattr>export MAKEFLAGS=-s maybe?
18:18<ifvoid>lontra: depends
18:19<ifvoid>lontra: if the libraries it depends on haven changed so-name since etch, the version thay's built for etch also work on lenny and sid
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18:21<nick>well that did not work as I still see messages like cc and gcc from make. What file in kernel-package runs make?
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18:24<ifvoid>the kernel make usually doesn't output gcc command lines
18:25<tcsetattr>unless you're building a 2.4 for some reason.
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18:29<nick>well I am building 2.6.21.6 kernel and I see things like cc fs/ext3/main.c and similar messages that I would like to turn off what file can I edit? kernel-kpkg.conf does not have the settings I need.
18:29<ifvoid>why do you want to turn it off?
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18:30<nick>as I would rather see errors and not every single command it runs during the build process. If I know how to turn it off I can always remove that option later if an error comes up.
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18:33<tcsetattr>the default build with 2.6 is very quiet, printing only single-keyword+filename for each action, like " CC drivers/input/serio/i8042.o"
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18:35<nick>but is there a way to turn even that off?
18:35<tcsetattr>why? you can't pick out a warning message among THAT level of progress-indicator stuff?
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18:37<nick>even messages like other make process are displayed like make -f I want to have an option to make it as quiet as possible. is there no way to do this easilly?
18:37<tcsetattr>a normal make shows full command lines with all the -fthis -Wthat -I../theother ... the abbreviated single-keyword display is already radically, shockingly quiet.
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18:39<tcsetattr>there are 3 verbose levels that you can pick with the kernel makefiles: V=0 V=1 V=2. V=1 is normal make output. V=2 is like super-verbose. V=0 is an abbreviated form, not really enough information if something goes wrong...
18:39<nick>how do I set them?
18:40<tcsetattr>make-kpkg may have its own idiocy being added; I don't know, I've never used it
18:40<nick>I mean in the kernel makefiles?
18:41<nick>what file do I edit to set this?
18:42<tcsetattr>well they go on the make command line, I suppose you could hack them directly into the makefile too. "make help" is useful.
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18:42<tcsetattr>but I really doubt you're gonna get what you want. What you want sounds like it's LESS than the minimum.
18:42<tcsetattr>makefiles that don't show what commands they're running are annoying as hell. why would you want that?
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18:43<nick>as I don't care about all commands used to compile every single file into the kernel and every other command that is run inbetween everything else.
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18:45<tcsetattr>no one will come to your house and arrest you if you don't read it.
18:46<tcsetattr>it's important to have a log of what happened, if it doesn't work. when it does work, there's no reason to read it. except scanning for warnings, and they stand out well enough in the normal V=0 output.
18:47<tcsetattr>what's your idea of the right level of output? you start the build and it prints nothing at all for the next 15 minutes and then you get a shell prompt? crazy.
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18:48<kirkroy>I know I asked this before today, but what's the default port for FTP?
18:48<kirkroy>22?
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18:49<tcsetattr>21 for the control connection, 20 for the data connection.
18:49<blarson>kirkroy: grep ftp /etc/services
18:50<nick>will a kernel successfully run with make configallyes?
18:51<dondelelcaro>that's probably not a good idea
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18:51<dondelelcaro>(and if you're going to do such a thing, you're better off using the Debian kernels)
18:51<kirkroy>*bow* thanx.
18:51<kirkroy>exit
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18:52<nick>why is that option there in the first place?
18:53<tcsetattr>for stress-testing the build system, probably
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18:54<nick>if I want to upgrade from sid to expermental do I just add the lines to sources.list then run apt-get dist-upgrade?
18:55<nick>first apt-get update
18:55<petemc>i did that by mistake a few years back, didnt pan out too well
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18:55<nick>does it work?
18:55<petemc>certainly, if you're unclear about how to get there, its not a great idea
18:56<nick>does the computer usually not boot after that?
18:56<chealer>nick: you don't upgrade from sid to expermental
18:57<nick>why is that version there then?
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18:58<lontra>nick: experimental is a holding tank for things more unstable than unstable or things that haven't been tested and have nowhere to go
18:58<chealer>nick: experimental isn't a full Debian suite. it's a replacement for staging branches, since Debian doesn't have the appropriate infrastructure.
18:59<nick>but if I wanted to have the latest but possibley buggest packages could I just add the lines then do dist-upgrade to get the latest stuff even if it is broken?
19:00<Ganneff>you dont dist-upgrade to experimental
19:00<lontra>nick: you can't dist-upgrade to experimental it is not a full distribution ... you'll have to cherry pick packages from experimental and watch your system fall to pieces
19:00<Ganneff>its not a distribution like sid
19:00<chealer>nick: no
19:00<lontra>nick: how long have you run debian?
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19:01<nick>about two years
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19:02<lontra>nick: i'd suggest running sid if you really want bleeding edge ... but for all purposes you're probably fine with testing
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19:03<lontra>nick: but i wonder since you aren't very knowledgable about debian and testing/unstable/experimental if it's best for you to just run testing
19:05<nick>I tried testing but wanted newer versions of packages so tried sid but had to reinstall as for some odd reason apt would no longer work it would always say no updates after about 2 weeks do you think it was something in sid that caused the problem?
19:06<lontra>nick: maybe apt was broken? not sure ... did you install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges?
19:06<nick>no not at the time
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19:07<chealer>nick: that's not really possible to determine without details, but if you can't determine that by yourself, you shouldn't run experimental nor unstable.
19:07[~]lontra agrees with chealer
19:07[~]chealer agrees with lontra
19:07<lontra>:)
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19:08<nick>everything works now.
19:08<nick>is there any free open source program to backup my system like ghost for windows?
19:09<Ganneff>apt-cache search backup
19:09<lontra>nick: just be warned ... no support for sid here ... so if that rotten boy breaks your toys your SOL
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19:14<nick>when trying to build the debian installer from svn running dpkg-checkbuilddeps I get lots of dependencies unmet but some of the libraries I try to install apt tells me that it is asking for version 1.2 but version 1.3 will be installed what option can I give to apt to tell it to just download everything it need reguardless of version number and all dependencies for a given package
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19:50<Brudus>Anyone have any experience with iceweasel.
19:50<chealer>!tell Brudus about anyone
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19:52<Brudus>I'm having trouble installing java in iceweasel. I've followed the directions on www.java.com, but it still won't work.
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20:00<sward>Brudus: There are Debian packages to make life easy. For Sun Java: sun-java5-plugin
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20:05<twb>When is Sun's implementation gonna be fully free?
20:06<peterS>I dunno, they promised it months ago
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20:07<peterS>but I've come to trust Sun's promises as far as I can throw an E10000. I mean, show me the money
20:07<twb>Yeah
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20:08<twb>Hmm, I thought Nexenta was Debian-based, but Wikipedia says it's Ubuntu-based.
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20:09<peterS>used to be debian-based, I guess they switched
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20:09<twb>Losers
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20:10<twb>ISTR CDDL isn't compatible with GPL anyway, so it's not surprising that they'd switch to a base run by people that ignore that sort of thing
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20:18<christianatilathehun> muchas gracias a todos ya instale mi nvidia ... en mi debian gracias ... a todos sigamos ayudando a todos.... gracias totales.. :)
20:19<Ganneff>!es
20:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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20:29<wotan>need FAQ on installing nvidia 3D please
20:29<twb>!nvidia
20:29<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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20:35<wotan>looks like the "debian way" of installing nvidia 3d driver does not work on lenny yet
20:35<chealer>wotan: it works, but following the guide to the letter won't work.
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20:36<chealer>well, it works so so. you need drivers from unstable and a different Linux version.
20:38<strefli3>Hey, when I forward X from my server and execute iceweasle it actaully executes from the machine I am on. What is the deal?
20:38<twb>strefli3: it's called iceweasel being helpful
20:39<twb>strefli3: it decides that you're already running an iceweasel process and therefore it should re-use that window, regardless of it being on a different DISPLAY
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20:39<twb>IIRC, you can either just close the existing iceweasel, or use a about four lines of javascript voodoo instead of simply passing the URL on the command line.
20:40<strefli3>twb: quite ticky, is this covered in the man page? I should be able to just use --display to correct this?
20:40<twb>strefli3: good luck
20:41<twb>If you ask the developers about it, they'll probably tell you that it's What Users Want and you're an inferior person for disagreeing.
20:42<strefli3>lynx will do just fine for me. Thanks for the help
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20:43<twb>I'm not at all bitter, you know :-)
20:44<blarson>strefli3: iceweasel -ProfileManager will always start a new one.
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20:48<wotan>chealer: does the nvidia installer from nvidia.com work?
20:48<chealer>wotan: probably, if one doesn't mind breaking his system
20:48<chealer>wotan: it won't work on the Linux version in testing though
20:49<wotan>chealer: "Linux version in testing"....do you mean Lenny?
20:49<chealer>!testing
20:49<dpkg>testing is probably a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release.
20:49<chealer>wotan: yes
20:50<wotan>chealer: so how do I get nvidia 3D driver working on lenny?
20:50<chealer>wotan: you first decide which Linux version you want to use. either stable's or unstable's.
20:51<wotan>chealer: which linux version? I already chose: Debian testing (lenny)
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20:51<chealer>wotan: that's your Debian suite. there are two versions of Linux in Debian that you can use as alternatives, 2.6.18 from stable and 2.6.22 from unstable.
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20:52<wotan>chealer: appears i'm not running either. i have 2.6.21
20:53<wotan>what's the difference between 2.6.18 and 2.6.22?
20:53<venkatesh>more features, fixes
20:53<wotan>what are the main bullet points?
20:53<venkatesh>dynamic ticks
20:54<venkatesh>can't think of much else
20:54<pony>Who know the debian version flashmax download site ?
20:54<wotan>is 2.6.22 a beta kernel?
20:54<twb>wotan: two haracters
20:54<wotan>or has it been released yet
20:54<twb>+c
20:54<venkatesh>it has been released
20:54<chealer>wotan: right, that's why you need to decide which one to switch to. 2.6.18 is more "stable" while 2.6.22 is "better"/newer.
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20:56<pony>Sorry, who can tell me the download sites of debian version flashmax which can make flash on linux?
20:57<wotan>so how do I go about installing 2.6.22 ?
20:57<chealer>wotan: I would setup a testing/unstable mix then installing it as usual.
20:58<wotan>how do I do that?
20:58<chealer>pony: flashmax? do you have a link about that?
20:58<wotan>i don't want anything else from unstable except for 2.6.22
20:58<chealer>!tell wotan about tsm
20:58<wotan>i read that and it doesnt make sense to me
20:59<chealer>!tsm
20:59<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use # apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages.
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20:59<chealer>wotan: why?
20:59<pony>I have a link, but it's not effective, so I am searching another one?
20:59<chealer>pony: eh. how do you know flashmax?
21:00<wotan>chealer: I don't have an /etc/apt/apt.conf
21:00<pony>Every time I download from the websites, I got a zero size package.
21:00<wotan>chealer: and furthermore, why would I want to put 'testing' in there, since I'm already using testing?
21:00<chealer>wotan: that doesn't matter, the command will create it.
21:01<wotan>why would i want to create that file?
21:01<chealer>wotan: because by default APT prefers unstable over testing
21:01<chealer>wotan: to override that default
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21:02<wotan>?
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21:03<CutMeOwnThroat>!
21:03<wotan>will this install only the 1 package I specify? or will it install a bunch of unstable stuff?
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21:04<chealer>wotan: what's in the factoid won't install anything, it will only setup a testing/unstable mix.
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21:05<wotan>arggh
21:05<CutMeOwnThroat>seems a bit overkill though, to switch the whole system to testing, just because you need the kernel from testing
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21:06<chealer>CutMeOwnThroat: he's already using testing, he wants a kernel from sid.
21:06<wotan>I need the kernel from unstable.
21:07<CutMeOwnThroat>ok
21:07<wotan>couldn't I just download the sid kernel and install it via dpkg?
21:07<lontra>wotan: set up /etc/apt/apt.conf as the dpkg factoid says and apt-get -t unstable install linux-kernel-BLAH-BLAH ... then it'll pull in only the dependencies that can't be filled by testing
21:07<chealer>wotan: yes and no
21:07<CutMeOwnThroat>wotan, you can also edit sources.list and add unstable, do apt-get update, install it and remove the line again
21:08<CutMeOwnThroat>wotan, using dpkg will not resolve dependencies automatically... so you will have to do it manually...
21:08<CutMeOwnThroat>which you dont want to :)
21:08<wotan>i think i'm going to need more than just the kernel in order to install the nvidia driver
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21:09<CutMeOwnThroat>hm, that was not comnpletely clear
21:09<CutMeOwnThroat>wotan, you can also edit sources.list and add unstable, do apt-get update, install it and remove the line again from sources.list (and do apt-get update again)
21:10<wotan>is my apt.conf supposed to look like this: APT::Default-Release "testing";
21:10<CutMeOwnThroat>but the solution from "!tsm" is cleaner... because you can always install packets from unstable when there are none in testing
21:10<wotan>or was i supposed to leave the semi-colon out
21:10<CutMeOwnThroat>no
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21:11<CutMeOwnThroat>the line above can be copy&pasted...
21:11<jusae>i got exim workin, in the end
21:11<jusae>:(
21:11<CutMeOwnThroat>and will produce a semicolon
21:11<jusae>opps
21:11<jusae>i mean :) woohoo!!
21:11<CutMeOwnThroat>OOPS? :)
21:11<jusae>my exim4.config file sucked
21:11<jusae>dns is workin
21:11<jusae>fs is workin
21:12<wotan>apt-get update
21:12<jusae>apache is workin
21:12<chealer>wotan: yes (with the semi-colon)
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21:12<jusae>firewall is nexted
21:12<wotan>chealer: ok so now you are telling me if I try to install a package that is in both testing and sid, it will try to install from testing first?
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21:13<jusae>i'm gonna need a cvs
21:13<wotan>chealer: ok it worked, I did an apt-get update and it worked. what is the next step for installing nvidia 3d?
21:14<CutMeOwnThroat>search for the HOWTO :)
21:14<CutMeOwnThroat>well, install nvidia-kernel of that version
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21:14<wotan>the howto does not work for testing
21:15<CutMeOwnThroat>?
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21:15<CutMeOwnThroat>this one?
21:15<CutMeOwnThroat>!nvidia
21:15<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
21:16<wotan>yea that one
21:16<wotan>does not work for testing
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21:16<CutMeOwnThroat>that's a long one
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21:16<CutMeOwnThroat>why doesnt it work?
21:17<wotan>i don't know i'm not the expert. that's what i was told
21:17<wotan>ask chealer or someone else
21:17<wotan>i'm just trying to figure out how to get this done
21:17<CutMeOwnThroat>duh
21:17<CutMeOwnThroat>special 2.6.2X problems
21:17<wotan>yea
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21:18<wotan>so here i am trying to figure out how to do it
21:18<CutMeOwnThroat>well, still running 2.6.18 :)
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21:18<wotan>apparently the testing kernel does not work with nvidia 3d
21:18<CutMeOwnThroat>now I got a reason not to update into 2.6.2X on machines using nvidia cards
21:18<wotan>well they were saying that only 2.6.21 has the problem. 2.6.22 works
21:19<CutMeOwnThroat>they dont say 2.6.22 works
21:19<CutMeOwnThroat>actually, they dont talk about 2.6.22 at all
21:19<wotan>so wtf am i trying to get 2.6.22 installed on my system ?
21:19<wotan>argh
21:19[~]CutMeOwnThroat shrugs
21:20<CutMeOwnThroat>you like a challange? :)
21:20<wotan>no
21:20<wotan>i just want it to work
21:20<wotan>i want to type: apt-get install nvidia
21:20<wotan>and that's it
21:20<CutMeOwnThroat>ehe
21:20<CutMeOwnThroat>did you try?
21:20<CutMeOwnThroat>:)
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21:21<CutMeOwnThroat>well, not that I read all this...
21:21<wotan>no because i know from experience that it's always more complicated than that
21:21<CutMeOwnThroat>but seems one is better off with 2.6.18 right now
21:21<CutMeOwnThroat>!nvidia-oneliner
21:21<CutMeOwnThroat>!nvidia one-liner
21:21<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
21:22<CutMeOwnThroat>well, a bit
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21:23<CutMeOwnThroat>that should be this one
21:23<CutMeOwnThroat>!nvidia_post_etch
21:23<dpkg>from memory, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
21:23<chealer>wotan: with a testing/sid mix setup and Linux 2.6.22 running, I think you should be able to follow the guide literally.
21:23<wotan>chealer: really?
21:23<wotan>chealer: what about !nvidia_post_etch
21:23<chealer>wotan: I'm not sure, I think. I'd try it.
21:24<CutMeOwnThroat>what about this here
21:24<CutMeOwnThroat>http://grizach.sc18.info/nvpatch/
21:24<CutMeOwnThroat>looks to me as if it would apply to all kernels >2.6.20
21:24<chealer>dpkg: nvidia_post_etch is just a long and imprecise way to do it.
21:24<dpkg>...but nvidia_post_etch is already something else...
21:24<chealer>uh
21:24<chealer>wotan: nvidia_post_etch is just a long and imprecise way to do it.
21:25<manphiz>Any news about boost 1.34.1? It's been out for several days already :)
21:25<CutMeOwnThroat>ehe
21:25<CutMeOwnThroat>the man who talked with the bots ;)
21:25<chealer>manphiz: ask on the BTS.
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21:27<manphiz>chealer, well I hope that won't be considered as rude as a 0day version bump request, so I try to start asking here :P
21:28<wotan>maybe I should install the stable kernel instead?
21:28<wotan>chealer: after doing that apt.conf thing, what do I do next?
21:29<CutMeOwnThroat>how about apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18
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21:30<CutMeOwnThroat>how about apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18 nvidia-glx
21:30<chealer>wotan: try following the guide.
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21:30<wotan>chealer: which one?
21:30<chealer>wotan: wait, did you reboot to Linux 2.6.22?
21:31<wotan>chealer: no
21:31<wotan>chealer: i haven't even install it yet. i don't know how.
21:31<chealer>wotan: do that first.
21:31<wotan>how?
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21:32<chealer>wotan: oh, sorry, I was not attentive. which Linux image do you use?
21:32<wotan>Linux debian 2.6.21-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Jul 11 03:53:02 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
21:32<chealer>wotan: install linux-image-2.6.22-1-686
21:32<wotan>apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-1-686
21:32<wotan>like that?
21:33<CutMeOwnThroat>jepp
21:33<wotan>nothing shows up
21:33<wotan>apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.22
21:33<wotan>no results
21:34<CutMeOwnThroat>did you do apt-get update?
21:34<wotan>yes
21:34<wotan>in my sources.list I added these 2 lines:
21:34<wotan>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main
21:35<wotan>deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main
21:35<CutMeOwnThroat>how about 2.6.18 :)
21:35<puertocabello>?
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21:35<wotan>nothing shows up for 2.6.18 either
21:35<wotan>only thing that shows up is 2.6.21
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21:36<CutMeOwnThroat>linux-image-2.6.18-4-686#
21:36<CutMeOwnThroat>ops
21:36<CutMeOwnThroat>linux-image-2.6.18-4-686
21:36<CutMeOwnThroat>should e.g. exist
21:36<wotan>yea, nothing shows up
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21:37<CutMeOwnThroat>er
21:37<wotan>no it does not show up
21:37<CutMeOwnThroat>http://ftp?
21:37<CutMeOwnThroat>that seems weird
21:38<CutMeOwnThroat>did the apt-get update work without failures?
21:38<wotan>yes it did
21:38<CutMeOwnThroat>and it reported loading unstable information?
21:39<wotan>sid, yes
21:39<CutMeOwnThroat>actually... there should even be some kind of 2.6.18 in stable, I think
21:39<CutMeOwnThroat>aptitude search 2.6.18
21:39<CutMeOwnThroat>should give you lots of hits
21:39<wotan>4
21:39<wotan>hits
21:40<CutMeOwnThroat>gives me 160
21:40<wotan>I commented out the 2 testing lines in my sources.list, and now the .22 kernel is showing up
21:41<chealer>wotan: that's not normal...but install it anyway.
21:41<wotan>I don't see the kernel image
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21:42<wotan>I see linux-doc, linux-manual, linux-patch-debian, linux-source, linux-support, and linux-tree
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21:42<wotan>but no linux-image
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21:43<janrocks>want to try.. my ftp works
21:43<janrocks>sorry.. mad window change
21:43<CutMeOwnThroat>now we know your deepest secrets :)
21:44<wotan>so why doesn't linux-image-2.6.22 show up?
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21:45<wotan>I don't see it in sid at all
21:47<CutMeOwnThroat>which system are you running anyways?
21:47<wotan>testing
21:47<CutMeOwnThroat>er... platform, i mean
21:47<wotan>debian lenny
21:47<wotan>what do you mean
21:48<wotan>intel core 2 duo
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21:48<dli_>wotan, you can always get stable kernel source from kernel.org
21:48<CutMeOwnThroat>that's i386 debian?
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21:48<manphiz>according to p.q.d.o, both amd64 and i386 have linux-kernel-2.6.22 in sid already.
21:49<wotan>i don't see .22 in sid
21:49<wotan>it's not there
21:49<manphiz>maybe your mirror server is lagging? try another one.
21:50<CutMeOwnThroat>http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ should lag?
21:50<CutMeOwnThroat>doubt that
21:50<chealer>wotan: what happens if you try # apt-get -tsid install linux-image-686; ?
21:50<wotan>i see all the other .22 stuff
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21:51<manphiz>CutMeOwnThroat, that one is always lagging, according to debian-devel ml :P
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21:51<wotan>i'm switching to ftp.us.debian.orf
21:51<wotan>*org
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21:52<wotan>now that works
21:53<CutMeOwnThroat>manphiz, how very.... intuitive...
21:53<manphiz>:)
21:53<wotan>what's that command to create the apt.conf?
21:54<wotan>nm I just manually created it
21:55<CutMeOwnThroat>!btsco
21:55<CutMeOwnThroat>pfgt
21:55<CutMeOwnThroat>pft
21:56<wotan>so which one do I install? this one? linux-image-2.6.22-1-686
21:56<CutMeOwnThroat>this time the bot was not smart enough :(
21:57<CutMeOwnThroat>wotan, your computer, your choice :)
21:57<wotan>yes i'm keenly aware of that
21:57<wotan>i'm trying to be careful before i do anything
21:57<CutMeOwnThroat>-686 is probably correct
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21:59<wotan>what other sid packages will i need in order to install nvidia 3d?
21:59<chealer>wotan: yes
22:00<chealer>wotan: you shouldn't need to install anything else not mentioned in the guide
22:00<wotan>chealer: doesn't nvidia 3D require kernels source, headers?
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22:02<chealer>wotan: only headers in some cases, but that's covered by the guide.
22:03<wotan>yes but, will the guide work if I delete the apt.conf and put my sources.list back to testing only?
22:04<wotan>i'm seriously afraid that if I follow the guide it will put in stuff from unstable that I don't want
22:04<wotan>i just want to install only what is absolutely the minimal stuff from unstable in order to get nvidia 3D working
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22:05<chealer>wotan: it would be good to setup a testing/unstable mix.
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22:07<tupa>is there anyone that programms with Qt?, how do I change the color of the text in a QPushButton?
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22:07<wotan>ok I have 2.6.22 installed.
22:07<wotan>and running currently
22:08<chealer>wotan: it would be good to setup a testing/unstable mix.
22:08<wotan>chealer: what does that mean? what is a testing/unstable mix and why would it be good?
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22:09<chealer>wotan: it's a system that has most packages from testing but some from unstable.
22:09<wotan>isn't that what I have now?
22:09<wotan>since I changed my sources.list and created the apt.conf ?
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22:09<chealer>wotan: it would be good because it would prevent that following the guide install packages from unstable uselessly
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22:10<wotan>hmm
22:10<chealer>wotan: I don't know, you said you commented testing from your APT sources. you need testing sources for a testing/unstable mix.
22:10<wotan>I put it all back
22:10<chealer>wotan: and does it work?
22:10<wotan>yes well I am running .22 kernel now
22:11<wotan>first error from guide: couldn't find nvidia-kernel-common
22:12<wotan>this is turning out to be quite an ordeal :/
22:12<chealer>wotan: what's the output of $ apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-common; ?
22:12<wotan>W: Unable to locate package nvidia-kernel-common
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22:13<chealer>wotan: there's something wrong with your APT configuration. nvidia-kernel-common is in both testing and unstable, it should be available. please publish your sources.list.
22:14<wotan>where do I publish?
22:14<chealer>!tell wotan about paste
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22:15<eald>hi, I'm having trouble with nvidia today, I can't restart X because it says that nvidia module can't be found, anyone could help me?
22:15<chealer>eald: probably. which Debian suite do you use?
22:16<eald>chealer: unstable
22:16<wotan>chealer: I put my sources.list and my apt.conf up there
22:16<wotan>http://paste.debian.net/33601
22:16<wotan>http://paste.debian.net/33602
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22:17<chealer>wotan: ah...sorry
22:17<chealer>wotan: you need contrib and non-free sources, as indicated in the guide.
22:17<wotan>ok
22:18<wotan>does the "testing" in my apt.conf work since I have "lenny" indicated in my sources.list? Or do both have to say the same thing?
22:18<chealer>eald: please provide the output of $ COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l nvidia*|grep ii
22:18<blarson>!testing
22:18<dpkg>[testing] a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release.
22:18<chealer>wotan: yes
22:19<blarson>wotan: ^
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22:20<chealer>blarson: he's using APT::Default-Release and he was asking whether the suite names had to match.
22:20<wotan>they don't have to match, right?
22:21<chealer>wotan: right
22:22<blarson>but when lenny is released, testing will become something else.
22:23<chealer>blarson: he's already using lenny in his sources.list
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22:23<blarson>use lenny if you want to keep lenny then, or testing if you want to continue using testing.
22:23<cheeseboy>hi
22:23<cheeseboy>im lookinf for a tut on hosting you own website with debian
22:23<nick>what package is tcl and it's development stuff in as I am trying to compile eggdrop and some other programs that require tcl to be installed?
22:23<chealer>blarson: it's safer to use lenny and to change once it's released.
22:23<cheeseboy>anyone know one?
22:23<wotan>blarson: yea, quite honestly by the time lenny becomes stable my current installation will be long gone
22:24<wotan>but I do appreciate what you are saying
22:24<wotan>this is really cool. i'm following the guide and it's installing testing packages where it can, and only installing sid packages as needed
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22:25<chealer>nick: if you don't mind, you realize that Debian distributes eggdrop, right?
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22:26<nick>no but in the readme in the source they say not to use pre compiled versions but is the version it distributes 1.6.18?
22:26<chealer>cheeseboy: that's a bit wide. depends on what's on the website.
22:26<chealer>nick: yes
22:26<cheeseboy>chealer, i want ftp mysql cpanel apache mail etc
22:27<cheeseboy>looking for tut on all or any part
22:27<chealer>nick: ah, right. tcl8.4-dev
22:27<eald>chealer: paste.debian.net/33603
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22:29<chealer>eald: hum, are you running Linux 2.6.18? why not clean some obsolete nvidia-kernel packages, BTW.
22:29<wotan>why don't I have a Module section in my xorg.conf?
22:29<eald>well, yes I'm running 2.6.18
22:30<chealer>wotan: why are you asking?
22:30<wotan>chealer: because the howto says I should make sure that Load "glx" is in my Module section
22:30<chealer>eald: are you aware that Linux 2.6.22 is in sid?
22:31<eald>chealer: well, I don't follow the kernel that close, my kernel has worked well so far
22:31<wotan>chealer: and it also says to comment any lines with "dri" or "GLCore"...
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22:31<wotan>but there is no Module section in my xorg.conf
22:31<eald>unless that there is a incompatibility with something in the actual xorg or something like that
22:31<chealer>eald: as you want. please provide your X log.
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22:32<chealer>wotan: do you have a reason to follow "The manual way" rather than "The debconf way"?
22:32<wotan>chealer: because I want to know what's happening to my system. and also I thought maybe the automatic way might not work right since i'm using testing
22:33<chealer>wotan: it will work right even if you use testing. if you don't have a reason it's simpler to use the debconf way.
22:33<wotan>yes but why is there no "Module" section? there is in stable. what happened to it?
22:36<eald>chealer: http://paste.debian.net/33605 this is since the first WW to the end
22:36<nick>is it a bad idea to run gunzip * in user/share/doc to unzip all text files so zcat won't be needed to read them?
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22:37<chealer>nick: kindof, because you'd need to do that regularly to avoid the uncompressed versions becoming outdated.
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22:38<chealer>eald: upgrade to 100.14.11 (or a "current legacy" version)
22:39<nick>can parted resize ntfs partitions?
22:40<julio14>l dont think so
22:41<chealer>same here
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22:41<wotan>ok it worked
22:41<wotan>i have nvidia 3D driver now
22:41<wotan>thanks
22:41<nick>what is the main difference between reiserfs 3 and reiserfs 4? is there any reason to upgrade?
22:42<wotan>next question: the update manager says I have 59 new updates available...how do I tell if those are for sid or for testing?
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22:42<chealer>wotan: check the version it would upgrade to
22:42<chealer>s/the version/the version of some package/
22:43<wotan>chealer: that just tells me the version it would upgrade to....how would I know if that is testing or unstable?
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22:43<chealer>wotan: for example, check in packages.d.o or with apt-cache policy.
22:44<chealer>or with Synaptic
22:44<eald>chealer: seems that that makes me install the new kernel
22:44<gsimmons>nick: You'd want to use ntfsresize ('ntfsprogs' package).
22:44<chealer>eald: I wasn't aware of that, but why not if that's the case.
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22:45<eald>chealer: yeah, I'm the process
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22:47<nick>is there any major reason to switch from ext3 to reiferfs if I should ever need to reinstall will I as a normal user notice any differences?
22:50<german>hi
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22:54<jusae>if you wanna add a user whats the best method for both first name and surnames, like john doe > adduser john doe?
22:54<jusae>do add doe and then use alais's?
22:54<jusae>is there an alias file for user names?
22:55<jusae>or am i talkin rubblish?
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22:56<Brudus>Can anyone tell me how to make it not open a new window everytime I open a folder. I've been diging around in menus but coudln't find anything.
22:57<chealer>Brudus: with which file manager?
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22:59<Brudus>I don't think i'm really using a file manager. I open a folder on my desktop and there is another folder in there and it opens in a new window instead of the same window.
22:59<chealer>Brudus: which desktop?
22:59<Brudus>Nautilus
22:59<chealer>Brudus: no idea
22:59<tupa>jusae, just do adduser and it asks you whatever it needs
22:59<jusae>kde
23:00<Brudus>Nautilus is the file manager i'm using.
23:00<tupa>Brudus: change nautilus preferences to open in a navigator window
23:00<tupa>and restart the application
23:00<jusae>tupa: do u like, add incremented numerics to the name if the users have the same name?
23:01<jusae>or do u use underscore or the --force-badname oprion
23:01<jusae>*option
23:01<tupa>jusae: excuse me?
23:01<tupa>what are you really trying to do
23:01<tupa>?
23:02<jusae>first name / surname when adding users to the server
23:02<jusae>unix usernames
23:03<jusae>like john_doe or adduser --force-badname john doe or adduser john1 adduser john2, kinds of thing
23:03<tupa>jusae, you provide full name when asked for the name
23:03<tupa>are you creating lots of names or what?
23:03<jusae>yeap
23:03<jusae>about 10000 uesrs
23:03<jusae>users
23:04<tupa>why are you doing that?
23:04<jusae>the servers got lots of users
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23:04<jusae>what can i tell, i'm not doing this for my health, thou its helping my sanity
23:04<tupa>jusae, you can create a bash script, are you familiar with it?
23:05<jusae>yep
23:05<jusae>gonna need a ldap really
23:05<tupa>jusae use bc to increment the numbers (I dunno if that's the best way)
23:05<tupa>I would use bc
23:06<jusae>u know, exim4 install comes with a imap server, called uw-imap
23:06<jusae>didn't even know until i check the dpkg listin
23:06<jusae>does smtp and pop3, wicked
23:06<jusae>:) (lovin the email system)
23:06<jusae>love'd emails since wwwwwaaaaayyyyyy back
23:07<jusae>fond times on port 25
23:07<jusae>rtl cards with their built-in back door
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23:14<jusae>the more i read, the more i like
23:15<cheeseboy>how do i setup domain for website?
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23:17<noflash>cheeseboy, that's a perfect google question ;)
23:17<jusae>u need a box
23:17<jusae>u need to install bind9 and apache
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23:17<jusae>and there u got, plus 1 static IP
23:18<cheeseboy>jusae, got sapache setup and dydns
23:18<cheeseboy>dyndns*
23:18<jusae>unless u know some that can route ur traffic or ur ISP is regular on droppin ur IP, that way ur dns record expires about the same time
23:19<jusae>there u go, add shit to www.domain.com
23:19<jusae>add the correct file to www-available
23:19<jusae>and make sure u dns records are correct, but dyndns does that for u
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23:20<jusae>have u got u website files ready?
23:21<cheeseboy>juase i just started i install apache mysql and php5
23:21<cheeseboy>installed*
23:22<cheeseboy>i bougfh a domain
23:22<cheeseboy>bought*
23:22<jusae>cool
23:22<cheeseboy>not sure what to do next though
23:23<jusae>go for the prefect setup at www.howtoforge.com
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23:23<jusae>still new to apache
23:23<tupa>cheeseboy, do you have a public ip? (your isp has to provide this)
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23:23<jusae>hard cash says its a dynamic pool ip
23:23<cheeseboy>tupa, how do i check?
23:24<bathat>hi, i've been trying to recover the data on my drive for over a week now...
23:24<jusae>dyndns
23:24<bathat>my question is... are the backup superblocks overwritten occasionally?
23:24<tupa>cheeseboy, well, there are several ways, one is asking your ISP
23:24<jusae>thats why u use dyndns
23:24<cheeseboy>tupa that one too hard
23:24<tupa>cheeseboy, is your box directly connected to the modem?
23:24<bathat>i can't seem to find anything on the Internet or in books that talks about this
23:24<cheeseboy>tupa no
23:24<jusae>bathat, give me a sec
23:25<tupa>what device do you have in the middle?
23:25<cheeseboy>router
23:25<jusae>some of my old research has stuff on that
23:25<bathat>ok thanks
23:25<cheeseboy>with dd-wrt firmware
23:25<tupa>cheeseboy, you will save yourself some time if you connect the modem directly to the PC right now
23:25<cheeseboy>tupa, need the router
23:25<jusae>u need the modem and then a gateway
23:26<cheeseboy>i got 1 month of free time :-P
23:26<tupa>cheeseboy, then forward ports to your PC
23:26<jusae>unless ur router does, port forewardin
23:26<tupa>cheeseboy, try with the port 80
23:26<bathat>just in case anyone is curious... i deleted the boot sector of my extended partition and wiped the MBR
23:26<jusae>what software u usin?
23:26<tupa>cheeseboy, or put your box in the DMZ
23:26<bathat>i've pretty much exhausted all my options
23:26<jusae>to recover ur data
23:27<cheeseboy>tupa ill put in dmz
23:27<bathat>at the very least
23:27<bathat>if i could salvage the data on my /home partition, at least, i'd be happy
23:27<cheeseboy>tupa how i check my internal ip?
23:27<tupa>ifconfig
23:28<jusae>u gonna need something serious, ur best beat is some recovery software, one that chumps through the sectors and spits out data, some even check the data structure
23:28<bathat>i cannot mount any of the partition ro and fsck has the same problem determining the filesystem
23:28<jusae>if its a router, it will be 192.168.1.x
23:28<bathat>i've tried a couple of trial apps for windows in BartPE
23:28<bathat>they recovered zilch
23:29<jusae>don't have the os try doin shit to the drive
23:29<bathat>my next option is a professional data recovery service like compusa
23:29<bathat>this was on the backup drive, but i probably tried it on the original, too
23:29<tupa>jusae not necessarily
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23:30<bathat>it shouldn't have written anything to the drive
23:30<jusae>dude, u need to really look at data recovery software and if ur usin it once, isohunt.com or packetnews.com
23:30<cheeseboy>tupa ok its in dmz what next?
23:30<jusae>firewall would be a good idea
23:30<bathat>i've seen people suggest getmydataback but i can't find it anywhere
23:30<tupa>cheeseboy: http://www.upseros.com/portscan.php
23:30<bathat>for free, that is
23:30<tupa>cheeseboy be sure you have apache working
23:31<bathat>i've obviously already tried testdisk and gpart
23:31<jusae>no spare 400mhz machine as a inbetween
23:31<cheeseboy>tupa thats spanish :/
23:31<bathat>so you really think data recovery software for linux would work?
23:31<jusae>i can't really suggest applications, i could help with some low level ide commands
23:31<bathat>i haven't been successful with the trialware
23:32<tupa>cheeseboy so?, you only need to see if you have ports open, do you have any green lights?
23:32<jusae>they do work, but most people keep it inhouse, cos linux is the choosen os for anyone who wants to steal shit :)
23:32<cheeseboy>tupa yes
23:33<bathat>oh... did you find out if the backup superblocks are overwritten from time to time?
23:33<bathat>i tried to replace the corrupted superblock with a backup one only a few days after this mess started
23:33<tupa>jusae, what about warez :P, 90% of warez is for linux, and 19.9 for mac os
23:33<bathat>and it wouldn't even work then
23:33<bathat>there's very little data recovery software for linux
23:34<tupa>cheeseboy, ok, there you go, you have a public IP
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23:34<cheeseboy>tupa now what do i do?
23:34<tupa>cheeseboy http://whatismyip.com
23:34<bathat>it's all for windows, which seems backwards to me
23:34<jusae>i think they are, the os does shit to it sometimes, but my book and notes are on ide channel data
23:34<tupa>cheeseboy what's your IP
23:34<bathat>oh ok
23:34<bathat>well, my ubuntu install drive got messed up once after i ran the windows software on it
23:35<bathat>but it's gotten messed up before when i hadn't too, so...
23:35<jusae>windows os software sells, as a programmer, avoidin xp is shootin urself in the foot
23:35<Brudus>Does anyone know how to get more controll over the mouse. Namley what i'm trying to do is get it to scrool more lines when I move the mouse wheel. I'ved tried the "mouse" section in the Gnome Control Center. They didn't have any section for the scroll wheel.
23:35<jusae>bathat: i think tupa's right, hit the warez people for any recovery software
23:36<cheeseboy>tupa pmed it
23:36<jusae>the better ones will scan the drive, when it relises there's no pointers
23:36<bathat>testdisk is ALWAYS able to find a backup superblock for my root partition
23:36<tupa>cheeseboy, are you sure you got green lights? I can't enter your apache server
23:36<bathat>just none of the others (about seven more)
23:37<tupa>cheeseboy, what ports where open on the website?
23:37<bathat>jusae, so you don't believe they will bungle up the drive any more than it already is?
23:37<jusae>if his server isn't configure, u get no data
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23:37<jusae>a test url in the www-data directory will return info
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23:38<cheeseboy>tupa, ftp dns afp imap pop3
23:38<tupa>cheeseboy -_- apache is down then !!
23:39<jusae>i think its not over until the drive actually stops workin, no electrical current going throw it
23:39<cheeseboy>tupa think i got it try now
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23:39<jusae>stick a test url in the www-data directory
23:39<tupa>cheeseboy ok, I entered your ftp, your server is up :P
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23:40<tupa>cheeseboy, do you know how to start apache?
23:40<cheeseboy>tupa apache is running
23:40<tupa>yep, its working now
23:40<wotan>I have a testing system with some sid on it also. how do I tell which packages on my system are from sid?
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23:41<cheeseboy>ok tupa now what i do to have it be my .org site instead of my ip?
23:41<jusae>dns record
23:41<jusae>dyndns should cover that
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23:43<chealer>wotan: use apt-show-versions
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23:44<wotan>chealer: when the .22 kernel that I installed goes to testing, will I be able to take out the sid parts of my sources.list and just use only testing from that point forward?
23:45<chealer>wotan: yes. you can already do that if you want.
23:45<wotan>chealer: i don't think i can do that right now
23:45<chealer>wotan: why not?
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23:45<wotan>chealer: don't i need the .22 kernel from sid in order to run the nvidia 3D driver?
23:46<chealer>wotan: yes. but you don't need an APT source for it since it's already installed.
23:46<wotan>chealer: oh so I can remove all of the sid stuff from sources.list and also delete the apt.conf file?
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23:46<chealer>wotan: yes, though deleting apt.conf is pointless
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23:47<wotan>chealer: so if I do that, how would my system know to update kernels since it does not have a testing kernel?
23:47<jusae>i'm so close to havin my system workin, i love u guys
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23:48<jusae>when i go live, i'm bnc'in, cos i don't trust any of u
23:48<jusae>lol
23:49<chealer>wotan: I don't understand what you mean by "know to update kernels".
23:50<jusae>the installation tests
23:50<wotan>chealer: let me ask another way. When the next kernel that is more up-to-date than the one I currently have goes into testing, will my system pick it up?
23:50<chealer>wotan: yes
23:50<wotan>chealer: how?
23:51<wotan>chealer: how will the "update system" know that my kernel needs to be updated?
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23:51<wotan>chealer: Don't I need to have one of those kernel meta packages installed? Do you know what I am referring to?
23:52<jusae>one or more tests that the install system checks will register as being unsupport by ur current kernal
23:52<jusae>*kernel
23:52<chealer>wotan: yes
23:52<wotan>chealer: I don't think I have one of those kernel meta packages installed
23:52<wotan>or do I?
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23:53<chealer>wotan: well, we can't check for you.
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23:55<chealer>wotan: if you didn't have Linux image metapackages installed while you ran pure testing, APT wouldn't have automatically installed a new Linux image package that would have entered testing. similarly, if a new Linux image package appears in testing now that you have a Linux image from unstable, APT won't install it automatically.
23:55<jusae>if ur gonna stick ur head in really deep, u might aswell get a dev machine workin
23:55<wotan>linux-image-2.6-686 "This package depends on the latest binary image for Linux kernel 2.6 on
23:55<wotan>Pentium Pro/Celeron/Pentium II/Pentium III/Pentium 4 machines."
23:55<wotan>so I think I do have it
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23:56<chealer>wotan: but if you have a metapackage, it will be upgraded when there is an upgrade available.
23:56<jusae>whats the command to find out what kernel version ur using
23:56<chealer>!kernel version
23:56<dpkg>To determine which kernel version you are running use the command: uname -r
23:57<wotan>chealer: I do have the metapackage. So it looks like I'm good to go.
23:57<jusae>thxs
23:57<chealer>wotan: yes
23:57<jusae>i get chills with that meta-package
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23:58<jusae>ur askin some to auto install the core os, based on there kinda none generic linux compilation
23:58<bathat>when 'mke2fs -n' shows #inodes, etc... is that the actually information for the current filesystem or is it just a simulation?
23:58<chealer>!tell jusae about ur
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