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---Logopened Mon Jul 30 00:00:00 2007
00:00<tupa>Brudus: Debian's default display manager is gdm, where you choose which DE you want to run
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00:06<niru>EA: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch no such script
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00:07<sigp239>twb: I just used cedega to install the windows version and it works to extract the file. lol.
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00:25<jdhore>Hi, i'm running Lenny with the 2.6.22 kernel from Unstable and i'm having a weird issue...I keep Java with Azureus running full-time and whenever i do something that uses 100% of my CPU, even after i stop by closing the window (and killing the process if necessary) 100% of my CPU is STILL in use for another 10-15 minutes and i can't get anything done in that situation...anyone have an idea for me?
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00:33<sigp239>anyone have a mac?
00:34<jdhore>i do
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00:35<sigp239>would you unstuff a mac compressed file for me please?
00:35<sigp239>Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin
00:35<sigp239>1.3MB
00:35<sigp239>there is a file "Network Access.image" inside that compressed file that I need
00:35<jdhore>ok, link me
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00:37<sigp239>"Remote host closed socket"
00:37<jdhore>odd
00:38<sigp239>http://files.oldos.org/files/macdl/Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin
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00:38<sigp239>that's the original download location
00:38<jdhore>ok, i'll see if i can get it
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00:38<sigp239>thanks
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00:48<sigp239>jdhore: anything?
00:48<jdhore>no, apparently nothing i have will open the .sea
00:49<jdhore>(not BomArchiveHelper or Stuffit)
00:49<sigp239>jdhore: thanks for trying
00:49<jdhore>glad to help
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00:56<twb>jdhore: your best best is to use BasiliskII and a MacOS image and a stolen ROM to boot MacOS and run the actual unstuffit program.
00:56<twb>Sorry, wrong person.
00:57<mjk>Does anyone have an Athlon64 on an ECC-capable mainboard and can tell me whether EDAC works, i. e. Linux reports detected and corrected errors correctly?
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01:00<jdhore>twb, s'ok...It might've required the old-school OS9 Stuffit
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01:18<colsan>i was running a dual-boot system of debian 'testing' and winxp. After re-installing winxp, the system now auto-boot to it. i think i need to re-install grub and i have a binary-1 cd. how should i do it?
01:20<colsan>where is everybody?
01:20<jdhore>my best recommendation is follow the steps on Ubuntu's wiki for recovering Grub
01:20<colsan>k, will give it a shot.
01:21<colsan>it is 'Ubuntu' under wiki?
01:21<sep>!fixmbr
01:21<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
01:21<jdhore>I really wish there was a device to stab people in the face over the internet
01:22<jdhore>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
01:22<colsan>jdhore, don't be so violent.
01:22<colsan>:)
01:22<jdhore>colsan, I'm a violent person...deal with it or leave
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01:23<colsan>jdhore, i have a problem to solve right now. will deal with you another day. just watch out.
01:23<colsan>:D
01:24<jdhore>1st: you're not in the same country as me. 2nd: I'd PAY to see you try and "deal with me".
01:24[~]amphi sighs
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01:26<jdhore>amphi, yeah, i know...I hate folks from ESOL countries too
01:26<colsan>jhhore, is that pronounced whore?
01:26<colsan>byeeee....
01:26<jdhore>no
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01:27<amphi>jdhore: eh?
01:27<jdhore>I hate them, but i love that simple psychology works on them
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01:28<jm_>no worries, I'm sure they hate rednecks too
01:28<amphi>jdhore: I have no idea what you're raving about
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01:28<jdhore>not a redneck...I live in NYC
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01:29<jdhore>Amorphous, I'm ranting about people from countries that barely speak English who try to get help and shite without doing a simple google search
01:29<baloo>jdhore++
01:30<amphi>jdhore: "countries that barely speak english"? dear ghod, we've got a live one here
01:30<jdhore>Or really anyone like that...At my hosting company, a dude came in saying "I'm an expert at BNC's and linux...How do i reset my PsyBNC password"
01:30<jdhore>amphi, It's 2:30AM...i'm a bit tired, cut me a bit of slack...you know what i meant
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02:36<renolse>Anyone around who might be able to help me getting a Highpoint 1740 SATA controller to work ?
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02:37<twb>Superman
02:38<jm_>this is about Debian, not about hardware help - there are other channels for that
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02:40<renolse>Ok. Very sorry to ask then. Trying to get it to work in debian, but I'll try to ask some other place then.
02:41<jm_>in Debian it should just work with 2.6 kernel
02:43<renolse>Unfortunately not.
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02:44<jm_>go to the HCL page and see which driver should support it
02:46<renolse>May I ask where that is ?
02:46<jm_>!hcl
02:46<dpkg>methinks hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/
02:47<renolse>Thanks.
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02:48<jm_>the kmuto URL is the one
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02:52<renolse>Thanks again.
02:54<jm_>but seeing as google mostly returns a link to their web page with a driver, installing Debian won't be as straightforward (i.e. if the Linux kernel doesn't include support for it)
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02:56<renolse>It doesn't :-(
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02:57<renolse>Have made module from the source on their homepage, but just can't get access to the discs.
02:57<renolse>But not debian related, so I'll try to find some linux channel and ask there.
02:57<renolse>But thanks for answering.
02:57<jm_>well ls /sys/block
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02:59<renolse>It isn't in there.
03:00<jm_>hmm then I don't know, ideally module has some debug options
03:00<renolse>I can paste what I get in dmesg if I may ? (or we can take it in pm if you have a few minutes).
03:01<jm_>well it won't be of great help to me, I have never used this thing
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03:06<katsushi>join
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03:15<oddtod>hey guys is there a CLI program that i can use to take a folder of photos and cut down on the quality?
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03:18<tuxie_>hi all! does anyone know (or knows where to find) how to create a multi-architecture bootable debian cd?
03:19<cahoot>oddtod, convert/mogrify in imagemagick
03:19<oddtod>thanks cahoot
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03:30<gsimmons_>tuxie_: There are installation images <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/multi-arch/> with support for more than one arch per image (eg. alpha/hppa/ia64 or i386/amd64/powerpc).
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03:41<tuxie_>thanks gsimmons_
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03:58<defiant>how do i go about flushing all leases held by dhcpd3 ?
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04:01<defiant>so nobody knows how to flush all dhcp leases on a debian box?
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04:02<simonrvn>you can always rm the file ;p
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04:07<defiant>simonrvn: yep i deleted the contents of /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases . is that sufficient?
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04:12<simonrvn>defiant: should be; you might want to give that daemon an HUP or just restart it
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04:14<defiant>simonrvn: yep did that, thanks for the help ;)
04:17<simonrvn>;)
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04:18<MrProfit>Hello
04:19<MrProfit>How can i forward one port on my dns pc to a pc that is in local network
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04:20<MrProfit>i was trying like that
04:20<MrProfit>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -m tcp -p tcp -d 213.91.241.124 --dport 2222 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:80
04:20<MrProfit>but it's not working
04:20<Romka>Çäðàñòå
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04:21<MrProfit>someone alive
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04:22<Romka>ïî ðóññêè êòîíãèòü åñòü ?
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04:23<MrProfit>negovorit ruski
04:23<streuner>!ru
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04:23<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
04:23<MrProfit>!bg
04:23<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net)
04:23<Romka>ok
04:24<Romka>a mojet tut
04:24<MrProfit>for my problem ?
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04:28<jaespinosa>hola
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04:30<Romka_>!ru
04:30<dpkg>hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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04:41<m_g>hey guys
04:41<m_g>what can i do when umount says "device is busy"? umount -f doesn't help
04:42<m_g>it's an external hard disk
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04:42<petemc>m_g: use lsof to find out whats keeping it busy
04:42<weasel>fuser -m <mountpoint> will show you which process keeps it busy
04:42<dinamizador>9i8u7y
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04:44<m_g>cool that helped, thanks guys!
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05:26<wouterl>small question: how can i get all the output of a program into a text file, including the warnings... ?
05:26<wouterl>eg: "make install > text.txt" doens't work
05:27<Ganneff>foo >bar 2>&1
05:28<Ganneff>or foo >output 2>errors if you want them split
05:30<wouterl>which is nice, thanks a lot
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05:52<fxiny>that's it . i can play radio with xmms2 : icymetaint plugin .
05:52<themill>wouterl: you can also "make install 2>&1 | tee log" so that you both get the log and see it on screen at the same time
05:52<themill>wouterl: "tee" is like a T-piece in the pipe. (think plumbing)
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06:00<fxiny>most of the time found in water mills :P
06:00<hermit>hi all, how can i set the output of a system command to variable in a bash script, i`v tried &> /dev/null but it doesent seems to work ??? any ides
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06:01<jm_>hermit: read ABS
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06:13<skrewz>hermit: use the $() syntax: now="$(date)"; echo "$now".
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06:17<fxiny>found no docs or clues how to save xmms2 radio stream . then i connected xmms2 to streamripper/localhost like xmms : it works :)
06:18<hermit>skrewz: THANK YOU VERY MUCH
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06:27<jm_>fxiny: mplayer can also be sued sometimes, i.e. its dump options
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06:32<fxiny>jm_: yes i know that . tx jm_ . i'm checking xmms2 , on my low resources box is pretty good . docs are a mess : too many versions like gonzo house e jekill . i plyed with sqlite3 queries on medialib.db : deleting a plaulist won't delete files already played and statistics from .db , which is bad .i just miss an ape plugin then i will remove xmms for good
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06:58<AlteKiet>Hi all. How can I test a dhcp server to verify if it is working properly?
06:59<padski>AlteKiet: you a test suite, or just a simple look-see
06:59<AlteKiet>padski: I just want to know if it works.
07:00<padski>AlteKiet: I normally define "it works" as "does what is required". what do you want it to do ?
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07:01<jm_>dhcping might help
07:01<padski>AlteKiet: anyways, suggest you get a client to get a lease from it
07:02<padski>jm_: sounds handy :-)
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07:02<AlteKiet>I ssh'd into a machine. I want to know if that machine can get an IP-address from another machine that is the dhcp server. Because I'm not physically behind the machine, i cannot risk it losing it's IP. Because then I can't connect to it anymore
07:02<AlteKiet>jm_: thanks, I'll have a look
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07:03<padski>AlteKiet: suggest when you come to adding that address, you try to add it as an alias first
07:05<karlacosta>www.hleramais.com.br
07:05<JasonS>no thanks karlacosta
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07:18<serge>Hello! I need to save and archive all the data and OS files from a 20GB HDD (it has only 5GB used of whole space). Could anybody pls advice the best way to dump and compress the image of my hdd? Which tool in Etch distro could be most convenient for this task?
07:19<fxiny>partimage ?
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07:20<fxiny>partimage skips unused space
07:20<serge>fxiny: man partimage ?
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07:20<serge>ok.. thnx
07:21<fxiny>serge: but then you need partimage to restore it
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07:21<serge>ok. let me see...
07:22<fxiny>serge: you can find partimage on a live cd like sysrescuecd
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07:24<fxiny>serge: to restore it you need at least a 20GB partition , if is bigger then 20 you must resize to reclaim space
07:24<fxiny>partimage is tricky
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07:28<serge>fxiny at firs FAQ reading it looks like this tool only able to create an image of particular partition... Doesn't it?
07:29<serge>I need to backup the whole HDD
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07:29<fxiny>serge: is called part-image , how many partitions do you have ?
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07:30<fxiny>serge: is the only tool i know of wich skips unallocated space
07:31<fxiny>your 5G will end up as a 1.6.gz file , it will take maybe 4 minutes to replace it
07:31<gsimmons_>serge: partimage can either create an image of the entire device (including all partitions) or of specific partitions as desired. There are two modes of backup operation.
07:31<jm_>fxiny: unallocated in terms of fs or partitions?
07:32<fxiny>serge: fs , unused . yeah jm_ i'm wrong :)
07:32<fxiny>ops
07:32<fxiny>jm_: ^^
07:32<serge>boot - 100Mb; tmp - 1 GB swap - 2GB; "/" - the rest ... Well, it seems it would be enough for me to save "/" only ... So, it will help.
07:33<jm_>dumpe2fs shall help
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07:33<jm_>dump is traditionally the tool to use for such tasks, or simply dd if=/dev/zero the device before mkfs and then dd + compressor will do fine too (at least initially)
07:34<serge>Or, as gsimmons_ says "entire device ", so let me try to save the whole hdd first... Thank you guys. I need to read man more closely..
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07:38<fxiny>gsimmons_: that's right : partimage can backup and restore the mbr . i forgot
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07:43<manphiz>who's in charge of decoding mpeg4 video stream in Debian? ffmpeg? It's suffering from continuous stumble, whilst using mplayerc with ffdshow in Windows and similar configuration in Ubuntu work smoothly. Any ideas?
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07:53<orion>help me please . i cant compile freeradius under debian etch
07:53<orion>i got errors
07:53<orion>and it doesnt support eap/tls
07:53<stew>orion: why are you trying to compile it at all?
07:53<orion>should i use .deb package ?
07:54<orion>ive done that but it doesn have eap/tls support
07:54<orion>cannot link rlm_eap_tls.so
07:54<orion>cannot find module
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07:55<orion>i opened the .deb package in the deb etch distro and in fact it doesnt have that file
07:55<orion>what can i do
07:56<stew>orion: to find what package has that file: /msg dpkg apt-file ; to recompile freeradius with tls support: /msg dpkg debian/rules
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07:58<orion>its not only me
07:58<orion>its a know problem
07:58<orion>.deb doesnt support eap/tls
07:59<fxiny>have you checked bpo ?
07:59<orion>.deb doesnt have eap/tls
07:59<gsimmons_>orion: See bug #266229.
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07:59<orion>can u give me the full url
07:59<orion>please
07:59<gsimmons_>orion: http://bugs.debian.org/266229
07:59<orion>thanx man
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08:01<orion>since i never done a diff
08:01<orion>can u explain me how to diff ?
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08:05<noflash>orion, man diff
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08:06<Frolic>exit
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08:07<ranix>Hey guys, unrelated question here. Linksys products have always been touch-and-go, but within the past 6 months or so their bad customer service in regards to RMA have made them 100% useless. What manufacturer do I buy small (4-8 port) switches from now that Linksys has aids?
08:07<stew>orion: you would use 'patch' to apply to diff, so 'man patch' not 'man diff'
08:08<orion>aha
08:08<orion>so diff < file.diff ????
08:08<orion>sorry
08:08<orion>patch < file.diff ?
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08:09<skrewz>ranix: Potentially every manufacturer is disappointing. That's my philosophy.
08:09<stew>orion: you are likely to need to add -p1 or -p2 or something similar, you might want to run with '--dry-run' first to make sure it copiles cleanly
08:11<jm_>compiles or applies?
08:12<stew>applies
08:12<stew>(don't know where that came from)
08:12<fxiny>i know it very well
08:13<fxiny>i have some very old jeans with "applied" pathes :))
08:13<fxiny>patches*
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08:14<grummund_>Hi all, to receive log messages from my router i should add -r option to sysklogd, yes? but i'm wondering apart from iptables how to restrict what interface syslogd will listen on?
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08:16<sigp239>is there a way to make the time show up in 24 hour format?
08:16<skrewz>sigp239: Where?
08:17<sigp239>skrewz: I'm running Debian Testing, GNOME.
08:17<sigp239>upper-right corner "Date & Time" app
08:18<skrewz>sigp239: Can't help you with GNOME. However, your problem may well be locale-related.
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08:19<alex_>hello
08:20<skrewz>alex_: ...
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08:21<jm_>grummund_: yes, you need -r
08:22<sigp239>anyone good with html basics?
08:22<sigp239>how do you make it so that when you click on a picture it opens a URL?
08:22<fxiny>very basic
08:22<petemc>href
08:23<skrewz>sigp239: That's offtopic. use <a href="url"><img ...></a>.
08:23<fxiny>or take the long way : learn perl !
08:24<sigp239>what is the <img ...> part? Do I just stick the URL to the image in there?
08:24<grummund_>jm_: thanks. sysklogd seems to listen on all interfaces so reliance on iptables is necessary.
08:25<skrewz>sigp239: Read some wikibook on HTML.
08:25<jm_>grummund_: yes, I don't think there's an option to limit listen address
08:25<ketone>sigp239: the image code you will need is <img src="http://url.to/image.gif">
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08:38<orjan>How do I find the ip a client gets from a dhcp form another client on the net. I dont have access to the rooter with dhcp?
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08:39<tV2>hi
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08:41<Eulex>orjan, ifconfig
08:42<skrewz>orjan: That would be sniffing on the network interface. Ettercap can do it.
08:42<skrewz>orjan: Actually Eulex may be right -- do you have access to the machine or are you trying to discover where it is?
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08:43<gsimmons_>orjan: You could also check either the client's system log or the logfile the DHCP server writes to, regarding lease activity.
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08:50<MrProfit>How can i forward one port on my dns pc to a pc that is in local network
08:50<MrProfit>i was trying like that
08:50<MrProfit>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -m tcp -p tcp -d 213.91.241.124 --dport 2222 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:80
08:50<MrProfit>but not work
08:52<petemc>what does -m do?
08:52<petemc>as that looks otherwise exactly as how i do it, and it works
08:52<sjkwizard>my directory /usr/lib/modules/ is vanish....what i have to do?
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08:59<cahoot>not looking for /lib/modules?
09:01<skrewz>MrProfit: `iptables -vnL -t nat` Does the rule catch any packets?
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09:01<MrProfit>wait
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09:03<MrProfit>skrewz can i paste u in private
09:03<MrProfit>or somewhere
09:03<skrewz>MrProfit: Just tell us whether the rule has any packet count.
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09:04<MrProfit>yes it catch
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09:05<xerophyte>what is the best console irc client out there .. is irssi good?
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09:06<MrProfit>bitchx
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09:06<JasonS>xerophyte: irssi is an excellent client
09:06<skrewz>MrProfit: Then you should investigate whether the return route is handled. Because the rewriting does take place.
09:06<JasonS>best is very subjective
09:06<skrewz>!best
09:06<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest
09:06<MrProfit>can u tell me how ? :)
09:07<fxiny>to use irssi you must pass the mirror acid test . if you can't just bitchx :P
09:08<skrewz>MrProfit: I'm afraid it's rather context dependent. But I just hit 213.91.241.124:2222 which was refused (REJECT-like). Suggesting that your FORWARD chain needs care, IINM.
09:08<JasonS>thers also one called scollz that seems pretty good, xerophyte try several till you find the one you like
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09:10<xerophyte>JasonS, Thanks
09:11<MrProfit>skrewz the ip is 213.91.244.116 not 124
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09:13<skrewz>MrProfit: No matter. The same result.
09:13|-|moul changed nick to moul_
09:13<skrewz>MrProfit: No routers in front of your firewalling machine, right?
09:14<MrProfit>yes
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09:15<MrProfit>ok then how can i transfer it i really fall in hole
09:15<skrewz>MrProfit: There's a hole through to :22 but :2222 still rejects.
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09:15<MrProfit>how can i open it to no reject
09:15<skrewz>MrProfit: Is there any rule in FORWARD that ACCEPTs the --dport 2222 packets?
09:16<MrProfit>no
09:16<MrProfit>don't have
09:17<skrewz>MrProfit: There should be (assuming your FORWARD chain is policy REJECT).
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09:17<MrProfit>i was try and like that but nothing
09:17<MrProfit>try iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -d 213.91.241.124 --dport 2222 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.2:80
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09:17<MrProfit>only that have iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -d 213.91.244.116 --dport 2222 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.33:80
09:18<skrewz>Try adding `iptables -A FORWARD -m tcp -p tcp --dport 2222 -j ACCEPT` (off the top of my head) somewhere in your firewall script.
09:19<MrProfit>k
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09:22<MrProfit>i add it
09:22<MrProfit>but steel not work
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09:24<MrProfit>do u want to give u the conf on my firewall ?
09:25<skrewz>MrProfit: Well. Those were the obvious things that could go wrong.
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09:27<cire>hi, I changed my PCI Ethernet NIC, and now it's eth2 instead of eth0. How may I tell my system to use this NIC as eth0?
09:27<skrewz>MrProfit: I advise you to go bugsquashing using `tcpdump -i eth2 port 2222` `nc` and the likes.
09:28<skrewz>cire: Funny, I have the same problem. I just demonstrated it. :)
09:28<MrProfit>skrewz do u think that can be the problem `iptables -A FORWARD -i $EXT -o $EXT -j REJECT`
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09:28<skrewz>cire: No solution though.
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09:29<fxiny>cire: editing /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules ?
09:29<cire>fxiny: I'll try that, thanks
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09:29<monra>hello
09:29<skrewz>MrProfit: Why would you ever forward packets from the same interface to the same interface, anyhow?
09:30<fxiny>cire: np
09:30<MrProfit>tcpdump -i eth2 port 2222
09:30<MrProfit>tcpdump: SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device
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09:30<monra>i tried installing mysql with #apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client libmysqlclient15-dev and everything worked fined. after i tried adding a password by doing mysqladmin -u root password <PASSWORD> but got the following error: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
09:30<skrewz>fxiny: I thank you too. :)
09:31<fxiny>skrewz: all credits to udev . mate :)
09:31<MrProfit>to can't transfered from out to in
09:31<skrewz>MrProfit: Obviously, replace eth2 with your interface name.
09:31<skrewz>MrProfit: You're writing $EXT two times?
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09:32<MrProfit>i am makeing my firewall from here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23
09:33<alex_>MrProfit, get something like shorewall
09:33<MrProfit>to fix my problem ?
09:33<MrProfit>or just to use it ?
09:33<frank>monra: and? is the socket available? btw. why did you install the -dev package
09:34<themill>monra: did you start the server (invoke-rc.d mysql start)
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09:34<locutus266>Hello, I have a performance problem with Samba. I recently changed my fileserver from WinXP to Debian. I used to watch my movies over Windows network shares, However, since I got samba, the movie halts from time to time and I have to wait about 30 secs until it starts again. Otherwise Performance is ok. I can even copy the whole movie in much less time. Does anybody know why samba temporarily doesn't transmit?
09:34<monra>themill, no
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09:34<MrProfit>here is my firewall http://pastebin.com/ma95d9da
09:34<themill>monra: then try that first ...
09:35<MrProfit>please someone to help me becouse i really don't know what to do
09:35<monra>themill, i got these tarting MySQL database server: mysqld . ..Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables..
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09:35<themill>monra: that's good.
09:35<themill>locutus266: are you viewing from a windows or linux client?
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09:36<skrewz>locutus266: I had performance issues too. Did you do the SO_RCVBUF and SO_SNDBUF additions in smb.conf?
09:36<skrewz>(look for ``socket options'').
09:37<locutus266>I have already tried setting SNDBUF and RCVBUF to 8192 kb
09:37<monra>themill, i try again adding the password and i get the following: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
09:37<monra>error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists!
09:37<locutus266>Didn't help really
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09:37<locutus266>Are there any other tweaks that might be of importance?
09:38<skrewz>locutus266: None that I know of. But that's not saying much.
09:38<locutus266>@themill: I am viewing from an XP client
09:38<locutus266>(over WLAN)
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09:39<frank>monra: 'ps -e | grep mysql' if there's a mysqld running check for the socket ... just try what suggested
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09:39<themill>locutus266: xp does all sorts of strange name lookups that have to time out and it does them repeatedly and then decides to use an alternate method of doing the lookup for a while. I've not yet worked it out either.... doing operations from xp is slower than doing them from linux.
09:39<MrProfit>is it have something wrong in this script ?
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09:39<monra>oh yes.. now i got this: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
09:40<themill>!tell monra about forgot mysql root password
09:40<themill>locutus266: e.g. copying a large file from debian to xp using xp = slow; doing the same but using smbclient from debian = fast. Stuffed if I know why.
09:41<locutus266>I see
09:41<locutus266>I blocked some NMBD port (I believe 445) using iptables to get rid of a certain error message in the samba. Might that be the cause?
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09:43<locutus266>The error was " getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected" I got rid of it by blocking a port
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09:44<Mankod>monra, kill mysqld in your process, i sure that you have twice the same process
09:45<monra>themill, i added a new pass know i tried mysqladmin -u passroot pass but still got the same error
09:45<Mankod>and next restart de demon mysqld
09:45<monra>Mankod, have done!
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09:46<themill>monra: if you're getting an error saying "using password: NO" then it's not even trying to use the password.
09:46<ocidne>I was wondering if there is a tutorial how to install E17 when you have gnome by default in Debian Etch.
09:47<themill>monra: check the command syntax again.
09:47<monra> mysqladmin -u root password pass.. stil the same error
09:47<Mankod>monra, the problems is "Can't connect to local MySQL.... " ok ?
09:47<themill>monra: mysqladmin -u root -p password
09:47<monra>yes
09:48<monra>themill, yeah thanks worked. asks me for new pass
09:48<themill>monra: :)
09:48<monra>oops. buta after writinga new pass i get the same error: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failederror: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
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09:54<cire>fxiny: worked! thanks a lot
09:54<themill>monra: OK. so now it doesn't like the password you gave it. BTW you're best to use mysqladmin -u root -p and then specify the passwd when asked.
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09:54<monra>by just giving mysqladmin -u root -p i get many lines telling me about the more command i can give -C, -...?
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09:56<monra>it's so difficult after all installing mysql!
09:56<monra>:(
09:57<profit>monra
09:57<profit>http://help.hardhathosting.com/question.php/200
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09:59<monra>profit, i already did this
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10:02<monra>Password=PASSWORD(' ') i should let the ' right?
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10:03<baloo>http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Paris_Hilton_loses_inheritance
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10:03<baloo>Coming to an American street corner near you!
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10:05<ifvoid>monra: have you tries mysql-admin and mysql-query-browser?
10:07<monra>I don't have mysql-query-browser!
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10:07<ifvoid>install it then
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10:15<monra>look the only thing i wanna do is isntall mysql and then create tables and so to learn better mysql!
10:15<monra>Is it so complicated?
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10:17<themill>monra: could you please start from the top and explain what you have done and stick the output of some recent commands into a pastebin for us. It certainly should not be this complicated.
10:18<Apt_Quadruped>su
10:18<Apt_Quadruped>yodaman211
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10:19<fxiny>what mutation is a qad apt ?
10:19<themill>monra: please also tell us the version of mysql you are using. apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.0
10:19<fxiny>ahh , has gone . ok
10:20<themill>fxiny: hopefully gone off to change his/her root password...
10:20<fxiny>themill: heheheh
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10:20<monra>themill, I will try a bit alone and if still have problem will come back. Thanks anyway!
10:22<themill>monra: ok. I suspect you probably not want to start again the "forgot myql root password" instructions
10:22<fxiny>themill: if she/he came back i'm ready to sing "yodaman211 viiiiibrationn" :))
10:22<monra>themill, i did it .. but still nothing
10:22<monra>fxiny, very kind of you ;) thanks
10:25[~]fxiny plays the "you're welcome" card to monra
10:25<fxiny>monra: :)
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10:45<xerophyte>with irssi i have added a server name with /server add -networkname hostname 6667 how do i use the network name to connect to the server
10:48<dondelelcaro>xerophyte: /connect networkname;
10:48<xerophyte>dondelelcaro, thx but tired that let me see i might have done something wrong
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10:49<dondelelcaro>well, it's not really a case of me guessing how to do it; that's literally how you connect to a new network.
10:50<eddie>I just installed the package "kde" and didnt realise it wasnt the desktop package, I know have loads of other packages i dont really want...loads :p how can I get rid of them all?
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10:51<fxiny>eddie: all of them ? are you sure ?
10:52<eddie>fxiny: just the packages that came with kde
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10:53<cahoot>eddie, try /msg dpkg remove kde
10:53<fxiny>eddie: i'm not running kde on this box . when in woody i rememebrer removing libqt get all kde removed . iirc kde has metapackages
10:53<fxiny>ops
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10:53<eddie>hmm okay
10:54<fxiny>eddie: you' better follow cahoot advice
10:54<eddie>It didnt even give me the kde desktop witch is what I wanted lol so im left with loads of kde apps
10:54<eddie>okay cahoot
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10:54<fxiny>eddie: you shoul'd have installed kde-core
10:54<eddie>oh right
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10:55<eddie>ill install kde -core and might just leave the apps there
10:57<eddie>hmm , kde core is already installed
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10:58<themill>!tell eddie remove kde
10:58<fxiny>i'm curious
10:58<eddie>removing kde doesnt take the rest with it :/
10:59<fxiny> !tell fxiny remove kde
10:59<fxiny>hehehe
10:59<fxiny>themill: dpkg No, fxiny, I won't. (target invalid?)
11:00<fxiny>kde own dpkg !
11:00<cahoot>need an -about there?
11:00<fxiny>ahhh
11:00<fxiny> !tell fxiny -about remove kde
11:01<fxiny>i was right !
11:01<fxiny>well . not 100% , i said to remove libqt
11:02<cahoot>97% like the assistant detctive?
11:02<themill>bah... too fast with the enter key... yes -about or about is needed ;)
11:03<fxiny>cahoot: which one ? Watson ?
11:03<fxiny>Watson runs fetora ,i run etch :P
11:03<cahoot>fxiny, no the one in Botswana - see Alexander McCall Smith (IIRC)
11:04<xerophyte>How can i list the users in the channel with irssi ? and is there anyway i can split the windows list mirc channel window users and text different panel
11:04<fxiny>cahoot: i think i've seen that news , lemme think HARD :)
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11:04<cahoot>fxiny, most enjoyable reading
11:05<fxiny>cahoot: yeahhh ? i'm already ringing google doorbel :)
11:05<fxiny>lllll
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11:07<fxiny>cahoot: hahahahah : Precious Ramotswe ! huhuhuu
11:07<fxiny>precious you beat me with a shower !
11:08<themill>xerophyte: /msg ChanServ list pattern
11:08<themill>xerophyte: ah sorry... users in a channel not channels. ignore me
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11:32<xerophyte>what package do i have install to lock the screen. I have installed the xscreensaver .. but the screen lock is still not working
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11:33<cahoot>isn't there something like xlockmore?
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11:36<annabela>I get error 18: (Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS) whene I wanna load the kernel, other OS can GRUB load fine! any idea pls?
11:37<fxiny>how old is that box ?
11:37<annabela>fxiny, do u mean mine?
11:37<fxiny>yes
11:37<fxiny>is a pre '98 bios ?
11:38<fxiny>like mine ?
11:38<fxiny>:)
11:38<annabela>amd athlon 64 X2 Dual core
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11:38<annabela>250 GB SATA
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11:39<fxiny>so i have no clue . i'm sorry ana , someone else might know it , wai a little :)
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11:39<fxiny>wait*
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11:41<annabela>i googled but just found the identification for Error 18, in gentoo-forum talks about a BIOS-update as supposed solution, but my BIOS should work fine!
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11:43<alex_>annabela: whats your motherboard model?
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11:43<annabela>AM 2 from ELITEGROUP
11:44<annabela>RS485M-M
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11:50<annabela>that's not my only problem, I just installed etch and i get my epson printer not working, so i think the only way is using the Driver from avasys.jp. I cant get the source-files installed, the compilation failed everytime, cuz some *.h not found or any errors with Funktionsdeclarations.., any idea?
11:51<fxiny>annabela: about that paste errors on
11:51<fxiny>!paste
11:51<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
11:52<fxiny>annabela: so people can read it :)
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11:53<fxiny>annabela: avasys.jp ? wgat is it ? some propietary driver ?
11:54<annabela>this is the propritary driver of epson
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12:06<eltese>Hiya! I wanna install Debian on my vmware machine but with no success... Im kinda of a newb at debian but when Im gonna do the partitioning.. wich should I choose?
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12:12<marqos__>eltese ext3 or ReiserFS and partition for swap
12:13<grownler>Hi all, I am a user of a Ubuntu, but I want to learn more about Gnu/Linux, and first I want to try Debian for use in Desktop***, what version I should use? (etch, lenny, ...) (what is the better for Desktop experience)
12:13<annabela>so i past the errors in http://paste.debian.net/33693
12:13<dkr>grownler: start with stable (etch currently)
12:15<annabela>the problem should relying with the gcc-version, are all options in gcc3 supported by gcc4.1?
12:15<grownler>dkr, but I want more fasts updates, I never tried Debian, and I heard etch is not good for Desktop users that want more fasts updates
12:15<JasonS>grownler: etch is fine for desktops but only gets security updates
12:16<JasonS>grownler: perhaps though you may want to also look at lenny then
12:16<dkr>grownler: a stable system is best for those that are inexperienced
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12:16<JasonS>dkr: indeed
12:17<JasonS>or even for those who are
12:17<dkr>after you get some more experience and feel comfortable, then you should start using bleeding edge software, because you will b ebetter armed to deal with bugs
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12:18<grownler>JasonS, I have some experience with dpkg, and I use Ubuntu for a long time... I know a stable release is good for people who want all in the rigth way, but is it good for Desktop users with experience in dpkg?
12:18<wotan>What do I do with uvcvideo.ko once I compile it?
12:18<wotan>I'm trying to get the driver working for my webcam.
12:18<wotan>I compiled it but now I don't know how to run it.
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12:19<JasonS>grownler: sure why not, but like i said if you dont want stable/etch theres always testing/lenny
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12:40<Knight-Ksa>hi
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12:46<cyril>hello all!
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12:53<cyril>how to make my nvidia card work fine?
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12:53<astral>hi :D anybody goo in iptables stuff?
12:53<astral>good
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12:55<astral>i try to block access from my network to some ip?s in the internet .. i gave it a try with this line iptables -A OUTPUT --destination xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -j DROP but i still get connection to desired servers ..
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13:00<frank>astral: where did you entered that command?
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13:01<frank>astral: i guess on the router, and there it only prevents the router himself to not connect to that servers ... pretty obvious, isn't it
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13:04<cyril>Hallo
13:04<takka>hi :) -- i got a hw raid-controller (3ware) in a debian box that has 2 sata hdds configured as hard-raid1
13:04<takka>is it possible to dissolve the hw-raid1 from software (debian) side?
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13:05<astral>frank, may i query you on that iptables thing?
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13:07<fallen> /server irc.virtualife.com.br
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13:07<astral>frank, yeah i entered it on the router and i tryed to block ANY access to these ip?s from inside (including the router)
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13:08<astral>do i need to rewrite my internal lan as something external and block my internal lan then to go out or something weird like that? ;D
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13:15<fxiny>astral: i believe you can just edit /etc/hosts ... see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/535
13:16<fxiny>then read a good iptables tutorial ...
13:16<astral>fxiny, may i query you? its normally something easy i guess :D but it just wont work :D
13:16<astral>i made my iptables script all alone .. and all works fine so far
13:16<enkrypt>since today (after the newest sid upgrade) Xorg crashes on startup, showing a backtrace in GLcore and libc. I'm using nvidia binary drivers (newest). is this a known problem?
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13:18<fxiny>astral: i'm busy atm , can't follow you , browse that site . you'll learn and enjoy your debian box at the end
13:18<fxiny>astral: take your time :)
13:18<astral>:/
13:18<astral>i browsed groups.google for hours now
13:18<astral>nobody does what i want ;D
13:19<fxiny>astral: you can do it in a minute . read thet url i paste before
13:19<astral>oki
13:19<xerophyte>Jul 29 05:04:14 hostname kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 4 lun 0 rJul 29 05:04:14 hostname kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 4 lun 0 return code = 440b0000 Jul 29 05:04:14 hostname kernel: I/O error: dev 08:15, sector 135064 eturn code = 440b0000Jul 29 05:04:14 hostname kernel: I/O error: dev 08:15, sector 135064 does anybody know what is this error means ?
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13:21<Maulkin>xerophyte: looks like a broken disk
13:21<astral>this could block calles "url?s" but not directly called ips .. so it wont help :/
13:22<enkrypt>can anyone help with my xorg crash? is anyone experiencing the same thing since today?
13:22<xerophyte>Maulkin, mptbase: ioc0: WARNING - IOCStatus(0x0006): Insufficient Resources thats rest of it
13:22<xerophyte>Maulkin, how can verify that
13:23<Maulkin>xerophyte: Well, it's the I/O error on a sector that's worrying
13:23<xerophyte>Maulkin, its only happen one time intall from 4am-5am so jus twondering
13:23<Maulkin>xerophyte: could be that that disk was hit at that time
13:23<Maulkin>!smart
13:23<dpkg>it has been said that smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package.
13:23<xerophyte>Maulkin, its happens everyday at the same time
13:24<Maulkin>xerophyte: Cron job that runs that touches particualr files?
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13:25<xerophyte>Maulkin, hmmm seems like it
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13:48<wotan>How would I reinstall grub after installing windows into a second partition?
13:49<dondelelcaro>wotan: with grub-install
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13:52<fxiny>astral: still there ?
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13:53<wotan>dondelelcaro: how do I do a grub-install after Windows has conquered the MBR and I have lost ability to boot debian?
13:53<paistis>Hello, How i can extract only one direcryty from tar.bz2 file?
13:54<dondelelcaro>wotan: you boot off your installation media, mount your debian filesystem, chroot, and run grub install
13:55<wotan>dondelelcaro: how do I boot off the debian lenny install cd? Is there an option somewhere in there?
13:55<dondelelcaro>wotan: just use whatever CD you used to install Debian in
13:55<arlt>Hello! I want to write a debian tool with the ambition to enter sooner or later debian goodies. i want to have a text-gui - shall i better use dialog or whiptail? both work fine for me.
13:56<dondelelcaro>wotan: then just use the console that it has to mount your filesystem, chroot, and run grub install.
13:56<wotan>you mean the boot console where you would type installgui ?
13:56<dondelelcaro>arlt: doesn't really matter
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13:57<dondelelcaro>wotan: no, I mean the console that you get if you press return, let it boot, then hit ctrl-alt-f2
13:57<dondelelcaro>or alt-f2
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13:57<wotan>oh i see
13:57<wotan>got it
13:57<arlt>dondelelcaro: ok - thanx
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14:04<wotan>dondelelcaro: I don't understand what the chroot part does.
14:04<wotan>why not just mount file system and grub install?
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14:11<enkrypt>I recompiled my kernel (2.6.19, to include FUSE), recompiled my nvidia driver, like I always do, and suddenly xorg won't start anymore, signal 11, backtrace from libGLcore and libc6... is this related to the newest libc6 update?
14:11<enkrypt>nvidia.ko loads just fine
14:11<enkrypt>all files into place, and up to date
14:11<enkrypt>when i start x with "nv", it runs fine
14:12<enkrypt>but nvidia crashes
14:12<enkrypt>and nothing on the pc changed, only libc6 update
14:12<dlarge>wotan: without a chroot to the mounted filesystem, grub-install will end up looking for files it needs on the current root filesystem. Booting off a DVD/CD will use a ramdisk as the root filesystem, this needs to be changed to allow grub-install to find it's files. The chroot command will tell the kernel to use your mounted filesystem as root.
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14:13<dondelelcaro>wotan: because you want to use the grub-install which is on your filesystem, not the one on the cdrom.
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14:16<rares000>!webmin
14:16<dpkg>well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
14:16<enkrypt>is it possible that putting FUSE into my kernel results in xorg crashing with nvidia binary? no, right?
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14:40<dlarge>How can I tell the kernel to stop flushing disk buffers so frequently? I would like to flush buffers after 5 mins.
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14:44<xerophyte>how can i find a server model number and other info about the server from the shell .. i know to find devices like lspci,lsusb and stuff but i want to find out the hardware model number and stuff
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14:44<dondelelcaro>xerophyte: it's pretty much not possible, since manufacturers don't have to include that on anything
14:44<dondelelcaro>xerophyte: you can sometimes tell from the nvram, though
14:45<dondelelcaro>xerophyte: nvram-wakeup is often pretty good at figuring this sort of thing out; there are probably other ways
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14:46<xerophyte>dondelelcaro, thx .. i was looking dmidecode
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14:52<xerophyte>how can i find out my cd-rom device drive ?
14:54<monra>xerophyte, go to /dev/ and check cdrom cdrom1 or so ... cdrw .. mine cdrw is on /dev/hdc
14:55<monra>I think though there is a command that checks cdroms and so ... ;) but don't remember it. sorry
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14:55<monra>guys. I have a strange question for you. How do we pronounce linux? as it is wrriten or lainux? with a ?
14:56<kenneth>with an i
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14:56<ricky>monra: http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/
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14:57<arlt>xerophyte: apt-get install lshw ... it show many informations - harddisk with all partitions and the devicefiles. i don't know if cdrom works too - don't have one
14:57<monra>ok. thanks . cause i read a book and said it was lainuks
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14:58<kenneth>i'm trying to boot lenny amd64 on my new pc, to install debian next to vista on hardware raid, but this ain't easy, it doesn't want to boot a normal install and the base install on an expert fails
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15:06<xerophyte>arlt, thx
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15:08<xerophyte>monra thx i got it from the dmesg
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15:35<crashlab>hi
15:35<crashlab>I have a problem with my wifi dlink dwl g520+
15:35<crashlab>wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
15:35<crashlab>I've installed acx100 drivers but nothing
15:36<crashlab>lspci -v return: 02:04.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface
15:36<crashlab> Subsystem: D-Link System Inc DWL-G520+ Wireless PCI Adapter
15:36<crashlab> Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 169
15:36<crashlab> Memory at ff9fc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=8K]
15:36<crashlab> Memory at ff9c0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=128K]
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15:37<Mankod>craslab sorry ;)
15:38<army>Thanks for the DebConf7 video's. It gives a better view how free software and Debian works
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15:41<dondelelcaro>army: thanks; you may want to send a note to the debconf video team (debconf-video@lists.debian.org) to thank them directly
15:41<dondelelcaro>army: also, there are videos from the older debconfs as well, which may be interesting
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15:46<bathat>i cannot get alsa sound to work under Ubuntu
15:46<Seb>bathat: /join #ubuntu
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15:47<bathat>sorry, wrong channel
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15:48<army>dondelelcaro: I'm still with debconf7, but there is still enough to view. tnx ;-)
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15:53<grummund_>How easy would it be to have working send/recieve faxes with a USR Sportster Voice modem (or ay other type)? A brief search threw up the efax package but i'm just wondering if this is a project worth pursuing...
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15:56<piotrek>i am noob man
15:56<piotrek>i am looking for polish room?
15:56<army>grummund_: it should work, but only class1 faxes may hang efax with new pages during a session
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15:58<army>grummund_: class1 fax machines are mostly dead by now or should be dead
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15:58<grummund_>army: thanks. do you have a working fax setup? if so what package(s) do you use?
15:59<grummund_>so youmean class1 fax may cause efax to hang
16:00<army>not anymore, but I used efax is I'm not mistaken for 6 years or so and it almost never let me down.
16:01<ricky>!polish
16:01<dpkg>well, polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl
16:01<ricky>Oops, he left.
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16:01<army>yes class1 is mostly a software fax and class2 is more hardware. and there is a flaw in the design with new pages. it triggers a reset in most cases of the modem
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16:02<army>class2 fixes that flaw
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16:03<army>but the debian configuration should get you going with incoming faxes without any real problems
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16:03<grummund_>ok thanks. i'll install efax and give it a try
16:03<grummund_>main thing is to be able to send faxes
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16:04<grummund_>also i have mgetty set up for dialin ppp at the moment, although i can sacrifice that for incomaing fax if need be
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16:15<annabela>how can I know in witch device an uninstalled Printer is connected?
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16:15<Penumbral>How do i make a gnome menu link to a terminal program. Like i want to click a menu icon and run "ping --help" in terminal so the terminal stays open?
16:15<annabela>i mean usb-device
16:16<zoid_>annabela: lsusb
16:16<annabela>thanks :)
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16:18<nick>what package contains those scripts that make building a debian package easier?
16:18<annabela>I'm sorry for my dummies-questions but.. how can i deinstall a *.deb pkg, witch I installed it with rpkg -i?
16:18<zoid_>debhelper
16:19<Penumbral>Iv searched all over trying to figure this out. I have done it before in kde, but can't figure it out for gnome. Do you know if it is at least possible to link to terminal programs in gnome menu?
16:19<army>annabela: dpkg -r <package> or dpkg -P <package>
16:20<nick>has anyone knoiced that the http://ftp.xy.debian.org url fro exiermental no longer works. xy.debian.org is not valid who can I report this bug to?
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16:21<army>Penumbral: what do you want exactly
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16:21<annabela>army, I dont know the name of the package i have just the *.deb file
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16:22<Penumbral>for there to be a menu link to a program that only runs in terminal. like a menu icon for say ping, or nmap...
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16:23<Penumbral>annabela why dont you use a package maneger? like synaptic.
16:24<annabela>i found it the name of the pkg ist the head of the deb-file ;)
16:24<army>annabela: cut the files on the underscore
16:24<annabela>thanks guys
16:24<Penumbral>:)
16:24<Penumbral>so army any clue about that menu problem? i gtg
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16:26<army>Penumbral: the moment I understand what you try to do you get an answer ;-)
16:26<nick>what command can I run to reinstall apt as I am running sid and for the last two days no new packages have been updating even when apt-get update downloads headers but apt-get dist-upgrade says 0 for everything? Could apt be broken?
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16:27<army>nick: try adding -t unstable
16:27<ifvoid>lots of stuff held back or so?
16:27<army>g'day ifvoid
16:27<ifvoid>hey army!
16:28<ifvoid>long time no seen!
16:28<army>to long
16:28<army>everything well?
16:28<Penumbral>lol sorry. you know the start menu where you can find all your programs and just click on them and they start. like nmapfe for example, well I want to make a menu item to click on and start namp in terminal. not really start it just start terminal and list nmap --help. I have a lot of terminlal based programs and i want to index them in the menu. i have to go to class if you know how to do this just mesage me and ill read it when I get back. Thanks a t
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16:28<nick>still 0 packages I have the netinstall CD for etch is there a way to reinstall the base system from that CD?
16:28<ifvoid>sure
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16:29<ifvoid>how about you?
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16:29<eltese>Hi! Im running latest stable Debian (etch) on vmware :) I wanted to download 2 things to superkaramba... this one :http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/SuperKaramba+TuxBar+with+SMOOTH+zoom?content=5812 and also this one : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Aero+AIO?content=24626. None of these worked and I dont know why :)
16:30<army>ifvoid: good, a little bit busy, but trying to relax and todo something with FOSS again to make up for my hours with Solaris
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16:30<army>nick: you sources.list is correct?
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16:31<nick>yes both ftp.debian.org in dev and dev-src
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16:31<laza>hi
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16:31<army>nick: but also for unstable?
16:31<bathat>does anyone know what this dumpe2fs error means?
16:32<bathat>A block group is missing an inode table while reading journal inode
16:32<nick>yes for unstable is the only lines there that are not commented out
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16:35<laza>You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server. <- why is it show up over, and over? i did what it says... :S
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16:40<alex____>hi, a bit offtopic:
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16:41<alex____>im just writing a quick #!/bin/sh script, and im wondering, how do you do a 2 second pause been commands?
16:42<Ganneff>sleep 2
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16:44<alex____>thasnks
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16:44<nick>has anyone built the debian installer from svn either the stable release or unstable release?
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16:50<annabela>what's the better way to convert a i32-pkg to an amd64-pkg?
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16:52<ifvoid>you can't, in general
16:52<ifvoid>you need to rebuild it from source
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16:54<annabela>u mean i should compile the source to be compatible with the architektur ob my box
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16:54<ifvoid>yes
16:54<ifvoid>!u
16:54<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
16:55<annabela>sorry :-|
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17:10<qwaz>Hi, I have tried to activate lm-sensors and see the output via ksensors in my Gnome desktop, but no luck. The ksensors are shown in the (Gnome?) "System Monitor 2.18.2" app. Any suggestions why I cannot see that K-based app?
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17:11<ketone>sdasda
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17:12<qwaz>Update, I can see the app, but it does not show any values.
17:14<qwaz>ketone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY5ht4jczRE ?
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17:15<rswarbrick>MoDaX: And he's back!
17:15<rswarbrick>Thanks for all the help.
17:16<MoDaX>rswarbrick: booted fine now?
17:16<rswarbrick>It was udev, and I'm currently running 0.105-4
17:16<rswarbrick>Would like to write down the error message, but it was flashing past v. fast
17:16<rswarbrick>Is there some way of pausing the console near the beginning of the init sequence?
17:17<MoDaX>rswarbrick: hmm, weird. it's a new grave udev bug then
17:17<rswarbrick>:( Would be very glad to help submit a bug report or whatever, but I'm not sure how I can work out what's wrong! :)
17:17<MoDaX>rswarbrick: boot with init /bin/bash or init=/bin/bash
17:17<dondelelcaro>rswarbrick: what actually happened?
17:18<rswarbrick>The boot up sequence gets as far as "Booting init" (or whatever message it is)
17:18<dondelelcaro>it's starting init, but yes... what happens after that?
17:18<rswarbrick>and then there's an error message related to the hd:
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17:19<rswarbrick>Haven't written it down (see above!), but it's something like operation not supported
17:19<dondelelcaro>well, that's the error that we want to see
17:19<rswarbrick>Along with various numbers in a table - I couldn't read them, I'm afraid
17:19<rswarbrick>?
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17:20<dondelelcaro>rswarbrick: did it stop booting at that point? or did it throw a kernel oops and continue on?
17:20<rswarbrick>I don't know - it got no further, but it may be that it just slowed to a crawl, limited by speed of writing to console?
17:20<rswarbrick>Ah! What I didn't mention was that as of a couple of weeks ago I've started noticing a similar error (once per boot) which _does_ show up in dmesg.
17:20<rswarbrick>Is there a paste channel?
17:21<dondelelcaro>paste.debian.net works
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17:21<rswarbrick>Am really newbie when it comes to irc - is that an irc server or a web address?
17:22<rswarbrick>ahah! It's posted by "rswarbrick"
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17:23<dondelelcaro>giving us the url would help, but it's ok
17:23<rswarbrick>I should mention that I'm running a vanilla kernel 2.6.22.1 - I'm not sure whether that error started at the same time as switching to the new kernel
17:24<rswarbrick>Oh, sorry - I didn't realise! http://paste.debian.net/33710
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17:25<MoDaX>rswarbrick: hmm, might be kernel bug. just google the error
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17:26<rswarbrick>Ah! Don't think that had been written when I encountered it the first time round! :)
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17:28<MoDaX>rswarbrick: do you have hddtemp installed?
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17:29<rswarbrick>Nope, but I think I was reading the same thread as you!
17:29<MoDaX>:)
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17:30<rswarbrick>OK, so I'm going to upgrade kernel to something after that patch was committed and then try upgrading udev again.
17:30<rswarbrick>Don't think it's really worth reporting as a debian bug, as I'm running a weird kernel?
17:31<rswarbrick>*I mean: I don't think... because I'm running a weird kernel.
17:31<rswarbrick>Deary me, my grammar.
17:31<MoDaX>rswarbrick: try debian kernel
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17:31<rswarbrick>Yeah, but that's no fun!
17:31<rswarbrick>:)
17:32<rswarbrick>But seriously, I quite enjoy playing with newish kernels and fiddling with flags (which seems to be what got me into this mess...) so that's why it's vanilla
17:33<MoDaX>rswarbrick: but maybe it will work fine. debian kernel is the latest too
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17:34<rswarbrick>OK. Will do - if only temporarily...
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17:34<rswarbrick>Thank you so much for all your help - I was worrying about how I was going to use laptop at work tomorrow...
17:35<MoDaX>rswarbrick: and even more bleeding edge (-rcs) stuff is usually at deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main
17:35<rswarbrick>Speaking of which, it's 11:34 british time, and I've got to be up depressingly soon, so I must bid you adieu
17:35<rswarbrick>Oh, cool - will have a look
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18:35<dreamer05>guten abend ...
18:36<ifvoid>hi
18:36<dreamer05>which language is spoken here ? ;)
18:36<Ganneff>english
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18:36<dreamer05>ok .
18:37<Ganneff>!de
18:37<dpkg>hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
18:37<dreamer05>mh no, i try to speak in englisch my friend :)
18:38<dreamer05>iam looking for a stock exchange analysing/trading tool for debian linux ... can anyone give me a hand ?
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18:48<witte>hello, i have a stupid question
18:48<witte>Auctex has a bug, with a patch in the BTS
18:48<witte>How do i apply the patch :-)
18:48<ifvoid>patch < patch.txt
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18:48<witte>ifvoid: that is it? I do not have to be in the correct directory or anything else?
18:48<witte>ifvoid: no wonder i could not find it on the net, it is to easy :-)
18:48<mtretin>Anyone know how I can figure which sound device ALSA's mixer controls under the "headphone" slider
18:48<ifvoid>witte: of course you'll have to be in the right diretory
18:48<ifvoid>and you also might have to add -p0, -p1, etc, depending on the patch
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18:48<witte>ifvoid:: ok, thanks, I will read man patch
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19:02<madman>hellpo
19:02<madman>any good guide to install java6?
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19:02<witte>madman: on stable or on testing?
19:02<madman>stable etch
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19:03<witte>madman: I ask because 6 is in lenny...
19:03<madman>lenny is before etch?
19:03<madman>or after
19:03<witte>after
19:03<madman>oh
19:03<witte>it is newer...
19:04<witte>you can use backports
19:04<witte>!tell madman about backports
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19:04<madman>should i get lenny instead of etch?
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19:04<witte>madman, normally not, you can use backports as well
19:04<madman>thanks.
19:05<witte>madman: lenny is testing, and of course not as stable as stable :)
19:05<madman>i am not that strong yet to venture in the unstable-testing world :D
19:05<witte>well, I run testing at work, and that gives little troubles
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19:06<witte>At home i run unstable, and that is a bit more adventurous
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19:07<madman>is there a good place to get up to date repositories for etch non-free?
19:08<ifvoid>ftp.de.debian.org/
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19:12<lontra>madman: you mean with security updates? ... or do you mean backports?
19:12<lontra>!backports
19:12<dpkg>it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>
19:13<lontra>witte: i run unstable with little problems ... but they are out there lurking i'm sure :)
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19:16<witte>lontra: I have never problems with unstable, unless i need to do something urgently :-)
19:17<witte>lontra: And there are some surprises, which you can solve quite easily normally, but for a novice user, I wouldn't recommend it :)
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19:20<lontra>anyone know if it's good enough to just cherry pick a source from ubuntu and then run dpkg-buildpackage rfakeroot -tc -us -uc and voila no problems? at least in principal
19:21<gravity>lontra: It can work, yeah
19:21<gravity>lontra: You'd need the build-deps of course
19:22<lontra>gravity: sure ... would you say it's best to add a ubuntu source line and use grab the source and build-deps that way versuses getting the source off packages.ubuntu.com?
19:22<gravity>lontra: No, you want to get the build-deps from debian if you can
19:23<lontra>gravity: ok ... thanks!
19:23<gravity>Don't bother building them in that case if you can avoid it.
19:23<gravity>lontra: No problem
19:24<lontra>gravity: btw ... do you know what the probability is with an intel chipset (945GM) using the intel driver, that i'll be able to hook up to a projector press fn+f7 and voila my monitor on the a projector screen?
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19:24<lontra>gravity: i couldn't resist asking while i had mr. X here
19:24<gravity>heh
19:25<gravity>lontra: What version of Debian? If you're running testing or unstable, it's very very good.
19:25<lontra>gravity: sid
19:25<gravity>Yeah, you're in great shape.
19:25<lontra>gravity: and i'm using the intel driver and not i810
19:25<lontra>gravity: thanks a lot!
19:25<gravity>You may have to configure things a little bit
19:25<gravity>lontra: Same thing. i810 is just an alias now to intel.
19:26<lontra>oh ok
19:26<gravity>intel is, quite literally, i810 2.0
19:26<gravity>Same root codebase and everything, just a lot of changes internally
19:26<lontra>it gave me proper resolution w/o the need of the 915resolution package
19:26<gravity>Right, that's good
19:26<gravity>You may want to install the grandr program to give a friendly GUI to configure things
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19:27<lontra>gravity: happen to know a QT based frontend ;)
19:27<gravity>You may also need to add a virtual section to your xorg.conf to do some things
19:27<gravity>lontra: None exist that I'm aware of.
19:27<gravity>An intel intern wrote grandr
19:27<lontra>cool
19:28<vnode>hi
19:28<vnode>my xorg fails to start with the following mesage http://paste.debian.net/33719
19:28<lontra>gravity: great well thanks for the help ... i'll bug you in a few months when i'm stressing cause my laptop and projector aren't playing nicely ;)
19:28<gravity>heh
19:28<vnode>is there any known bug?
19:28<vnode>i have tried to replace the libc6 with an older version
19:29<gravity>vnode: Is this the nvidia driver? And running sid?
19:29<vnode>got the newest nvidia driver but still ...
19:29<vnode>yes
19:29<gravity>vnode: Downgrade udev
19:29<vnode>*kiss*
19:29<vnode>thx
19:29<gravity>No problem
19:29<peterS>you're so the man tonight, gravity
19:29<gravity>peterS: It just means that X still sucks
19:30<gravity>Although this time it's udev's fault :-)
19:30<peterS>you can't take blame for nvidia, you know
19:30<gravity>Or udev
19:30<peterS>right
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19:30<stew>!widbu
19:30<dpkg>When in doubt, blame udev!
19:30<vnode>what is the bugs number?
19:30<vnode>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=udev&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable
19:31<chealer>!factinfo widbu
19:31<dpkg>widbu -- created by stew <i=1413@rrcs-72-43-105-66.nyc.biz.rr.com> at Wed Feb 7 08:31:14 2007 (173 days); it has been requested 10 times, last by stew, 32s ago.
19:31<gravity>vnode: Check planet.debian.org. The udev maintainer just blogged about it.
19:31<chealer>stew: hehe
19:31<gravity>The bug # is in the entry
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19:32<Diego> Hi.
19:33<Diego> Now I will
19:33<chealer>stew: expect Md to love you
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19:35<witte>Diego: you will what?
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19:38<Mike-II>Hi. does anyone know how to fix the linedraw problem in etch?
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19:41<witte>Mike-II: what is "the linedraw problem"?
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19:41<Mike-II>ergg, for instance, in delsect, the lines become the accented a if I'm running it under screen
19:41<Mike-II>client is putty
19:42<Mike-II>but, if its not under screen, the rendering is fine.
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19:44<Mike-II>here what I do: screen -dR; sudo su - ; dselect
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19:44<witte>Mike-II: sorry, can't help. I did not notice the problem, but i am running lenny here, and never use dselect...
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19:45<Mike-II>well, the problem exists on all apps that uses linedraw/ncurses; eg: aptitude, make menuconfig
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19:47<witte>I tried the things you mentioned, and that worked fine. But as i told, in lenny...
19:48<Mike-II>yeah, this started when I upgrade from sarge to etch. sarge didn't have this problem
19:48<witte>Mike-II: is there no bug against this? i could not find anything with screen, but maybe somewhere else?.
19:49<witte>Mike-II: or is it specific for putty
19:50<twb>Mike-II: what are the values of the TERM and LANG environment variables?
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19:50<twb>Mike-II: try setting PuTTY's encoding to UTF-8.
19:51<Mike-II>i havent tried it w/ with othet terminals
19:51<witte>hello twb: I am switching to rcirc :), thanks for the advice
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19:52<madman>how long have you guys been in linux?
19:52<twb>I don't.
19:52<twb>I have atomically powered gerbils instead
19:53<Hessophanes>Mike-II: Would you write a bugreport against screen? I'll look into it. Just include how to reproduce the behaviour.
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19:53<witte>madman: since 2002, and since 2003 my major os was linux
19:55<madman>nice
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19:55<witte>madman: and you?
19:57<madman>1 year
19:57<madman>its always been a struggle since i started
19:58<witte>madman: so the most difficult part is over. You know how and where to look when you have a problem, and you have less and less problems
19:58<madman>yes indeed
19:58<madman>i love linux
19:58<madman>i am a windows network admin, and i am looking to go over linux for network administration
19:58<madman>brb
19:59<Mike-II>hmm. that utf8 trick worked
19:59<Mike-II>thanks!
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20:01<twb>Duh.
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20:02<twb>It's not a trick, it's telling your display subsystem and applications to use the same encoding.
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20:11<kurumin>opa
20:11<kurumin>e ae
20:11<kurumin>speak
20:12<kurumin>linux the best operating system
20:12<kurumin>I using kurumin distro from brazil
20:12<kurumin>debian based
20:13<twb>Linux is not an operating system.
20:13<BinL> Hi, when I startup my system, there always is an error "mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: no such file or directory". Any solutions?
20:13<witte>kurumin: well, this is #debian, and not #kurumin
20:13<kurumin>yes.. linux is kernel
20:13<twb>BinL: mkdir /selinux?
20:13|-|lontra [~lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
20:14<BinL>But I never use selinux and enable it...
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20:14<kurumin>witte,
20:14<kurumin>I know that here he is not kurumin
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20:14<twb>BinL: it's provided by `policycoreutils'.
20:15<lhadji>twb, now that's a trick ;)
20:15<kurumin>
20:15<kurumin>I am only speaking =)
20:15<BinL>twb: If I mkdir /selinux, I have another error"mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: no such device"
20:16<kurumin>kurumin is developed from Carlos E. Morimoto...
20:16<twb>kurumin: I don't care.
20:16<twb>BinL: what is giving this error?
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20:17<kurumin>
20:17<kurumin>I can paste the site here?
20:17<twb>kurumin: I'm sure we could find it ourselves if we were sufficiently inclined.
20:17<twb>http://distrowatch.com, for example.
20:17<BinL>twb: When I startup, this error occur.
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20:18<BinL>twb: It should be the kernel
20:18<twb>I strongly doubt the kernel is at fault.
20:18<kurumin>www.guiadohardware.net
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20:19<kurumin>well... I am exit... good night
20:19<BinL>twb: I have search for it, but there is no effective solution.
20:19<twb>BinL: please tell me the output of the following command: aptitude search ~i~nselinux -F %p | fmt
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20:21<BinL>twb: libselinux1
20:21<twb>Hmm, OK.
20:21<twb>You could try installing libselinux1 python-selinux selinux-policy-refpolicy-targeted
20:22<twb>BinL: those are the selinux packages installed by default on Etch.
20:23<BinL>twb: Ok, I 'll try and restart. Thank you very much. : )
20:23<twb>Bear in mind it still won't actually give you any selinux safety
20:24<twb>http://etbe.coker.com.au/2006/12/08/se-linux-on-debian-in-5-minutes/
20:24<twb>"Note that a significant difference between Debian and Red Hat SE Linux is that on a Debian system you must pass "selinux=1" to the kernel to enable SE Linux and on Red Hat you must pass "selinux=0" to disable it."
20:24<BinL>twb: Ok. I don't enable selinux.
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20:29<BinL>twb: By the way, should I mkdir /selinux as well?
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20:36<twb>Shrug
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20:50<giwe>My sshd is slow during authentication in etch amd64. Any hints?
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20:50<knoppix_>jjj
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20:56<stoned>kkk
20:56<JasonS>lll?
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21:05<ZeR0-x>join/ irc.dal.net
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21:05<bernardo>How can I update my repository list?
21:06<baloo>bernardo: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list as necessary, then aptitude or apt-get update
21:07<bernardo>baloo: but i want a list of the available repositories
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21:07<stoned>la de da
21:07<baloo>bernardo: Oh. I'm unaware of a definitive list.
21:08<bernardo>baloo: like the list that is shown when ur installing debian and the installer asks you to select a repository...
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21:09<gsimmons_>!mirror
21:09<dpkg>i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/
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21:12<bernardo>gsimmons: who said anything about mirrors?
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21:20<gfytard>is freenode down?
21:20<oxymor00n>works fine here
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21:20<gfytard>irc dot freenode dot net, right?
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21:21<oxymor00n>yep
21:21<gfytard>hrmm..
21:21<gfytard>cheers
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21:30<BinL>Hi. I have an error on my system booting: mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: no such device. How can I do?
21:31<chealer>BinL: how can you do what?
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21:32<BinL>chealer: resume the error..
21:33<CutMeOwnThroat>dont talk to him, he's a hidden terrorist :)
21:33<CutMeOwnThroat>just hid away the "aden"
21:34<CutMeOwnThroat>BinL, well, look for the device :)
21:35<CutMeOwnThroat>if it's present, look if there is some kernel module not loaded that would provide the device
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21:36<BinL>I never use selinux but this message always occur when I boot system
21:36|-|jusae [~jusae@host86-129-95-132.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
21:36<jusae>quick question
21:36|-|cHaPlinux [~cHaPlinux@201008173188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #debian
21:36<jusae>dns records
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21:37<jusae>i wanna have the ns server support multiple domains, so the email server and webserver handle multiple domains
21:37<jusae>i got the db record, but the reverse record is something thats botherin me
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21:38<jusae>and the tld
21:38<BinL>twb: Are you there?
21:38<jusae>how do i go about havin .net .org .com kinda of thing
21:38<jusae>can the SOA be ns.example.*.
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21:39<jusae>can u have wildcards in a dns record :) (kinda chunklin at that one)
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21:40<jusae>anyone?
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21:43<CutMeOwnThroat>dont think so
21:44<CutMeOwnThroat>why don't you try?
21:44<BinL>OK, I'll try. Thank you ; )
21:45<CutMeOwnThroat>eh
21:45<CutMeOwnThroat>hi8m :)
21:45<phlak>:)
21:45<jusae>cos it doesn't look right
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21:46<CutMeOwnThroat>BinL, so why is it bothering you at all?
21:46<jusae>i get the impress u guys don't know ur ns records
21:47<CutMeOwnThroat>!u
21:47<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
21:47<CutMeOwnThroat>I got the impression you dont know your u's :)
21:48<jusae>i wrote those
21:48<CutMeOwnThroat>anyways, it's called #debian, not #dns
21:48<CutMeOwnThroat>(just as a sidenote)
21:49<jusae>its cool, startin this process again is buggin me, plus i get headaches and flashbacks
21:49<CutMeOwnThroat>well... sounds like you should try with less drugs :)
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21:52<CutMeOwnThroat>BinL, I think sellinux is installed, but diabled on boot - just uninstall it
21:52<CutMeOwnThroat>BinL, else, I don't see where the real problem is... you got an unused package, which produces an error message at boot
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21:53<jusae>i guess this is the "how do you do the really simple stuff" with answer being "apt-get remove" followed by a "apt-get install"
21:53[~]jusae does the ! thing aswell
21:53<twb>jusae: apt-get reinstall
21:53<jusae>lol
21:54<BinL>CutMeOwnThroat: I just install some packages, such as libselinux1, pythony-selinux..
21:54<CutMeOwnThroat>why?
21:54<twb>I told him to, thinking perhaps selinux was half-configured
21:54<CutMeOwnThroat>he said he's not using it...
21:54<twb>I approve removing them again
21:54<CutMeOwnThroat>well, yes
21:54<BinL>Yes
21:55<jusae>i concure
21:55<CutMeOwnThroat>I guess it needs to be enabled manually
21:55<jusae>hmmm .. CutMeOwnThroat got a point
21:55<twb>It needs to be enabled by passing magic via kernel parameters.
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21:55<jusae>BinL I think It needs to be enabled by passing magic via kernel parameters
21:55<BinL>twb: do you mean "selinux = 0"?
21:55<twb>No, =1.
21:56<twb>BinL: I don't suppose you did something stupid like copy /etc/fstab from a different OS?
21:56<jusae>dude, newbie reponse on =0
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21:56<runix__>hey :) I'm looking for advancemame debs, any hints?
21:56<CutMeOwnThroat>ehe jusae watch out
21:56<CutMeOwnThroat>!hint
21:56<CutMeOwnThroat>eheh
21:56<twb>runix__: do you mean copyrighted games?
21:56<BinL>twb: no, I did not
21:56<lanb08>troyano0 estás en línea?
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21:56<runix__>twb: no, just the game emulator
21:56<twb>BinL: OK, just checking
21:57<runix__>twb: sorry, the machine emulator :)
21:57<twb>runix__: they'll be called mame-thingie
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21:57<BinL>OK.
21:57<runix__>twb: but.. is xmame == advancemame?
21:57<jusae>whats the !hint thing?
21:57<twb>xmame-thingy, sorry.
21:57<twb>I don't know.
21:57<CutMeOwnThroat>jusae: just joking...
21:57<runix__>twb: no, it's not
21:57<CutMeOwnThroat>jusae, "doing the !-thing"
21:57<jusae>:)
21:58<CutMeOwnThroat>!mame
21:58<dpkg>somebody said mame was ask me about xmame
21:58<CutMeOwnThroat>:)
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21:59<CutMeOwnThroat>phew, the terrorist is gone
21:59<jusae>can i have 20 IN PTR dns.example.com and then followed by 20 IN PTR dns.example.org?
22:00<jusae>in the reserve lookup?
22:00<weasel>a label can have more than one PTR record, yes.
22:00<weasel>whether or not this works as expected however will very much depend on the applications doing the reverse lookups
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22:00<weasel>why would you want that anyway?
22:01<jusae>multiple domains resolve by the same dns
22:01<weasel>pardon?
22:01|-|qeed [~qeed@adsl-230-94-87.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: qeed]
22:01<jusae>like being an ISP
22:01|-|mylesbraithwaite [~myles@206-248-157-245.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Goodbye]
22:01<weasel>ah. when you say dns you mean nameserver.
22:01|-|Brudus [bradley@ip70-186-164-157.br.br.cox.net] has quit []
22:01<jusae>domain name server
22:02<jusae>oh
22:02<weasel>dns is not domain name server.
22:02<weasel>dns is the domain name system.
22:02<jusae>u got me
22:02<weasel>anyway, there's no need for all the forward things to have matching reverse entries
22:02<jusae>okay
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22:03<weasel>of ns1.example.com and ns1.example.org both resolve to 192.0.2.1 then it's fine for 192.0.2.1 to have only on PTR, that could even be something else entirely, like joe.example.net
22:03<weasel>s/of/if/
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22:03<weasel>and s/on PTR/one PTR/. clearly I'm not awake yet, excuse the sloppy writing please
22:04<jusae>of course
22:04<jusae>i'm takin what ur sayin in, give me a sec
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22:05<jusae>whats the SOA called, cos the starting line is like IN SOA ns.example.com
22:05<weasel>doesn't really matter
22:06<jusae>i need to google some more, cos i know ur right
22:06<weasel>just name it like whatever that domain's primary nameserver is, if you want
22:06<weasel>or you can name it foobarbaz, for all dns will care
22:06<Brudus>Anyone know why I can't just have a normal firefox instilation instead of iceweasel. I downloaded and installed firefox but it won't run.
22:06<weasel>Brudus: iceweasel is firefox.
22:06<weasel>Brudus: only not by that name because the mozilla people are on crack
22:07<jusae>I'm not wording the records correctly
22:08<Brudus>I so wish iceweasel would give me a thumbnail preview when I go to upload an image. The fact that I can't do that is really frustrating and hampering me. And I'm forced to use Konquer more.
22:08<twb>Brudus: iceweasel is Firefox with the "Firefox" branding removed. This is because Mozilla refuse to allow Debian to both use the official branding *and* release security updates in a timely manner.
22:09<jusae>it should be example.org. IN SOA ns.something. root.localhost. (
22:09<weasel>root.localhost.?
22:09<jusae>:) chuckles
22:10<jusae>that should be the email address of the admin right?
22:10<weasel>yes
22:10<jusae>if the admin where someone who ignored nameserver emails, that address would be correct (is still chucklin)
22:11<Brudus>Does anyone know how to do that. Make iceweasel display thumbnails of images when you upload them to a website.
22:12<chealer>Brudus: firefox is as GTK+ as iceweasel. don't expect something too functional.
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22:13<jusae>i get the impress there's alot of beef going on between linux groups
22:13<Brudus>anything that prevents me from having to use konqueror
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22:14[~]lupine_85 huggles konqueror
22:14<lupine_85>:p
22:14<jusae>prolly something to do with tryin to get their software to a marketable state and still make out they code most of it
22:14<Brudus>debain rules red hat drools
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22:15<jusae>alot of us worked hard to get redhat to the state its in
22:15<toxic_>хуясе
22:15<twb>All software sucks.
22:15<twb>Debian merely sucks in the least disagreeable (to me) fashion of all the distributions I've tried.
22:16<velixzeen>twb for president
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22:16<twb>I'm already president
22:16<jusae>if u guys rule the roust, why no @
22:17<jusae>excuse the spellin
22:17<twb>I think you mean `roost'.
22:17<velixzeen>:)
22:17<BinL>twb: That's it. When I add the parameter "selinux=1", it's OK. Thank YOU again. : )
22:17<twb>Or possibly ærie
22:17<twb>BinL: bizarre
22:18<BinL>twb: what?
22:18<CutMeOwnThroat>хуясе?
22:19<toxic_>хуясе!
22:19<CutMeOwnThroat>хуясяе?
22:19<toxic_>)))
22:19<Brudus>Anyone have codeweavers. Is it worth the 40 dollars. I'm having a serious WoW withdrawls. My earlier attempts to work with raw wine have proved fruitless.
22:20<toxic_>хуясе...
22:20<CutMeOwnThroat>play xpilot :)
22:20<toxic_>=)))
22:20<toxic_>xpilot rules
22:20<twb>Brudus: I would have thought Cedega more appropriate for tainted, evil games.
22:20<jusae>weasel u is my god, i will automate website like be and play u admin it
22:21<Brudus>daddy needs his poison.
22:21<velixzeen>ls
22:21<jusae>while implementing a generic response bot, so u do didly squot
22:21<CutMeOwnThroat>I dont understand these two guys :)
22:21<CutMeOwnThroat>"u is my god"... sounds like a strange kind of religion....
22:21<CutMeOwnThroat>who is "u"
22:21<toxic_>me neither ;)
22:21<CutMeOwnThroat>hm
22:22<toxic_>the U-cult
22:22<CutMeOwnThroat>toxic_, doh, I think I suddenly understand russian :)
22:22<jusae>the people, dem people
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22:22<jusae>the "they's" of the world
22:22<jusae>u know
22:22<CutMeOwnThroat>aha
22:22<jusae>or u don't know :)
22:22<CutMeOwnThroat>he is all-knowledgable
22:22<CutMeOwnThroat>hm
22:22<CutMeOwnThroat>or not
22:23<CutMeOwnThroat>it a mystery
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22:23<jusae>i rain down on u later, when the static ips come
22:23<CutMeOwnThroat>"static ips" = some kind of jesus
22:24<toxic_>guess so =)
22:24<toxic_>when the second static ips come, the world will know the true U
22:24<jusae>static ip = not forcing respone of db records by askin people to click here > <
22:25<toxic_>who is db?
22:25<jusae>david bonson
22:25<toxic_>kind of priest?
22:25<jusae>lives downstairs
22:25<jusae>yes and this is a house of god
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22:32<jusae>okay
22:34<Supaplex>if you say so
22:34<jusae>host lookup works from file then dns, is the file nsswitch the /etc/hosts ?
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22:35<jusae>excuse the missing words in my sentences, i have a habit of saying certain words and missing others, almost forcing people to fill in the gaps
22:36<jusae>is the file that nsswitch mentions, the /etc/hosts ?
22:37|-|tupa [~tupa@200-56-214-131-cable.cybercable.net.mx] has joined #debian
22:38<jusae>bind cache's the ips for as long as their records sugest, right?
22:38<jusae>*suggest
22:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 279] by debhelper
22:39<Supaplex>jusae: as in order? yes nsswitch controls that. bind caches records based on the TTL
22:40<tupa>what is the newer kernel in lenny?
22:40<tupa>kernel image
22:40<twb>tupa: probably linux
22:40<twb>The others aren't updated as often
22:41<tupa>twb??
22:41<tupa>kernel version
22:41<twb>tupa: of which kernel?
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22:41<tupa>linux
22:41<twb>2.6.21, I think.
22:41<Supaplex>kernel-image is a sarge thing, linux-image takes its place now.
22:41<twb>Nope, 22 is here.
22:41<Supaplex>!tell tupa -about search
22:41<twb>aptitude search ~Plinux-image
22:42<tupa>Supaplex, I am not using my deb box right now :P
22:42<jusae>!tell jusae -about buying microsoft active directory
22:42<jusae>:)
22:43<Supaplex>tupa: packages.debian.org =)
22:43<tupa>!tell jusae about selftell
22:43<tupa>:)
22:43<stoned>I wanna grow up and be a power supply unit
22:43<twb>stoned: yow!
22:44<jusae>make sure ur clean power
22:44<stoned>Supaplex: hi
22:44<Supaplex>stoned: sup :)
22:44<jusae>nice volt regulator, between u and mains
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22:44<stoned>ui[
22:44<stoned>yup
22:45<stoned>im using xp
22:45<stoned>wanna see my leetness
22:45<stoned>http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/screenshots/xp.jpg
22:46<stoned>Oblivion has a new expansion pack i didn't even know about
22:46<stoned>and a lot of new mods
22:46|-|koollman [~samson_t@home.kooll.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:46<stoned>so im gonna play oblivion again for a while so i got xp
22:46<Supaplex>I must be oblivious
22:47<stoned>Linux laptop 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
22:47<twb>I'm oblivious
22:47<twb>I take medicine for it
22:47<stoned>i am now laid down in bed after a whole days
22:47<stoned>I am now going to try and do what I do best
22:47<twb>stoned: no-thing?
22:48<stoned>nah man
22:48<stoned>I
22:48<Supaplex>sleep is my guess.
22:48<stoned>I'm going to tha moon baby
22:48<stoned>gonna light this sucker up here
22:48<stoned>and go straight to tha moon no stopping
22:48<jusae>the dude that wrote gimp missed something in the jpg decompression routine, certain jpegs would hang, debian still does that update on it
22:48[~]Supaplex tosses stoned a live thermite grenade - CATCH!
22:48<stoned>lol
22:48<stoned>no way
22:49<jusae>and it was something that got caught when debian first started
22:49<stoned>my sister is yelling at her husband on the phone
22:49<twb>I didn't realize Vista ran on "only" 1G RAM.
22:49<stoned>its not vista
22:49<stoned>;)
22:49<stoned>it is xp
22:49<twb>Oh right
22:49<twb>Silly of me
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22:50<jusae>silly twb
22:50<Supaplex>oh look, a new drone f f f for for stoned
22:50[~]jusae sets twb = 0
22:50<stoned>what
22:50<jusae>apt-get remove twb
22:50<stoned>twm
22:50<jusae>reboot twb
22:50<jusae>lol, there's a command somewhere for him
22:51<tupa>stoned, does Vista improved, or does it is the same shit as always?
22:51<stoned>i dunno
22:51[~]jusae loves twb
22:51<stoned>i don't care about windows
22:51<stoned>I just like oblivion
22:51<stoned>too bad cedega or wine don't run it
22:51<Supaplex>tupa: for one, DRM is defective by design
22:51<stoned>and if they do, its probaby slow as hell and you can't use mods
22:51<stoned>so here i am stuck on xp again
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22:51<stoned>I did however ghost my debian partition and made an image
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22:52<twb>stoned: you realize putty can be set fullscreen?
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22:52<stoned>twb: obviously.
22:52<jusae>vistas supposed to be good, cos the kernel can migrate processes
22:52<stoned>I like bedian
22:52<stoned>its greater than xp
22:52<twb>ftp://twb.ath.cx/xp.png
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22:52<twb>...that's what I see when I RDP to an XP host.
22:53<Supaplex>but can it run on a router? :)
22:53<twb>You can understand my confusion on seeing that other monstrosity
22:53<stoned>Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at twb.ath.cx.
22:53<jusae>RDP?
22:53<Supaplex>!rdp
22:53<dpkg>from memory, rdp is an acronym. ask me about remote desktop protocol or reliable datagram protocol
22:53<jusae>thxs
22:53<jusae>i fear using the ! thingy
22:53<twb>Supaplex: RDP is what Citrix and Windows use by default instead of VNC or X11 or NX.
22:53<stoned>rdp is used by windows repote desktop
22:53<Supaplex>uh I know.
22:53<stoned>or xdmcp or sshx
22:54<stoned>!pdr
22:54<twb>Uh... sshx?
22:54<Supaplex>!smite stoned
22:54[~]dpkg smites stoned with a plague of locusts
22:54<stoned>!sshx
22:54<dpkg>from memory, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html
22:54<twb>It's just forwarding X.
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22:54<stoned>yes
22:54<stoned>it is
22:54<twb>X doesn't NEED to be tunneled via ssh.
22:54<stoned>it is forwarding x
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22:54<stoned>no it doesn't
22:54<stoned>you're just a twb
22:54<twb>X is fully network transparent already, which is why I said "X" and not "silly shit on top of X"
22:54<stoned>you don't know anything
22:55<stoned>shush.
22:55<jusae>twb beat u
22:55<jusae>nah nah na nah nah
22:55<stoned>you can't beat god.
22:55<stoned>you think you can, but you can't
22:55<jusae>ur not god
22:55<jusae>weasel is
22:55<stoned>I soo am.
22:55<jusae>and this is a house god
22:55<twb>I need not beat a god.
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22:56<stoned>you mentioned nx
22:56<stoned>whis is basically
22:56<twb>True.
22:56<stoned>you are a mere simple twb
22:56<Supaplex>!mit-magic-cookie
22:56<dpkg>rumour has it, mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx
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22:56<Supaplex>no ssh needed.
22:56<twb>Supaplex: I do that for localhost!
22:57<Supaplex>no xhost caveat.
22:57[~]stoned pokes Supaplex
22:57<twb>Because otherwise gdm prevents my screen desktop from launching graphical utilities :-(
22:57<stoned>gdm blows
22:57<stoned>as does kdm or xdm
22:57<twb>Yeah
22:57<stoned>startx ftwm!
22:57<twb>But I can't run startx without giving all users permission to run X.
22:57<stoned>haha
22:57<jusae>ftwm?
22:58<stoned>it would be cool to have that
22:58<Supaplex>you mean flwm
22:58<Supaplex>!start a wm war
22:58<dpkg>wmaker blows!
22:58<stoned>for the win man
22:58<stoned>For The Win, Man
22:58<jusae>okay
22:58<stoned>but FTWM
22:58<stoned>for the window manager
22:58<stoned>lol
22:58<twb>fanciful, turgid WM
22:58<stoned>For The WinDOW Manager
22:58<stoned>im high
22:58<Supaplex>flwmftwmftwmmmm
22:58<stoned>mnm
22:59<jusae>u know i stuck with commandline, even with data streamin
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22:59<stoned>multi network media
22:59<stoned>ahaha
22:59<jusae>u guys are killin me, i really need to get back to this
22:59<twb>jusae: I prefer full ttys to line tools.
22:59<stoned>i like tools
23:00<stoned>drills are nice
23:00<stoned>they go peeeeooooouuu peeeeeooooouuu
23:00<twb>Maybe power drills do
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23:01[~]Supaplex debugs Business::OnlinePayment::PayflowPro ( stupid $@*$(% paypal IDJOITS futzing with the code! GRR! )
23:02<twb>Money is the suck
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23:07<venkates1>has anyone around here been able to use fretsonfire with testing?
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23:08<twb>venkates1: yes
23:08<twb>Er, I've been able to boot it
23:09<twb>It doesn't render correctly.
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23:09<simonrvn>stoned: dunno what you wanted me to look at here
23:10<venkates1>i've had both the upstream version and the debian version not render correctly too
23:10<stoned>oh nothing
23:10<venkates1>but it worked fine for me when i was running stable
23:10<stoned>I'm just being a tool
23:10<stoned>simonrvn: drills
23:10<stoned>they go peeeewwwww
23:10<stoned>peeeewwww
23:10<simonrvn>oh that. many kinds of drills
23:10<stoned>yeh
23:11<venkates1>any idea why it doesn't work, or where to start working towards making it do so?
23:11<stoned>i want a toy gun
23:11<simonrvn>some that don't. i have one here that drills holes but makes hardly any noise at all except you grunting
23:11<twb>venkates1: I only know about swearing at it and threatening it with a brick
23:11<simonrvn>one of these days i should put an adjustable chuck on it
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23:12<venkates1>alternatively, anyone know of any way to get direct rendering for an app running from a chroot?
23:13<stoned>lol
23:13<stoned>simonrvn: i used to be an electricians helper
23:13<venkates1>when i tried to install fretsonfire on an etch chroot, it tried to use svgalib, which didn't work
23:13<stoned>apprentice
23:13<simonrvn>stoned: cool
23:14[~]simonrvn idly wonders if there's more people here than at the freenode one
23:14<simonrvn>nope, not by a mile
23:15<stoned>nope
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23:18<twb>Freenode ate my baby
23:18<twb>It can't be trusted
23:23<jusae>what linux apps are their for circuit diagrams?
23:24<craigevil>jusaua apt-cache search circuit
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23:26<twb>jusae: they all suck terribly
23:26<jusae>not a nice return on that
23:26<twb>aptitude search ~selectronics
23:26<jusae>gonna steal from win base software
23:27[~]chealer pokes simonrvn
23:27<twb>I think GEDA is pretty powerful but hard to get used to
23:27<simonrvn>yeh yeh
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23:28<jusae>i pretty sure there is something, i remember using something before
23:28[~]simonrvn brushes off chealer with a swipe of the hand
23:28<chealer>looks still alive
23:28<simonrvn>chealer: wtf you up to ? doing ok?
23:28<simonrvn>chealer: haven't seen you around in a while
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23:28<twb>jusae: you want one for toys, or real work?
23:28<chealer>simonrvn: hehe, that's because we aren't seeing you since a while.
23:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 285] by debhelper
23:29<simonrvn>;p
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23:29<simonrvn>i'm still at freenode
23:29<burningphire>Hi. What's the difference between pump, dhcpcd, and dhclient?
23:29<chealer>simonrvn: I'm doing my first...internship(?) is an insurance company.
23:29<simonrvn>not much essentially
23:30<simonrvn>chealer: going well?
23:30<jusae>real work
23:30<jusae>something that i can use to make circuit boards with
23:30<burningphire>Why does Debian choose dhclient as part of the default install?
23:30<chealer>simonrvn: yes. I'm with a long-time friend and ex Linux user :)
23:30<twb>burningphire: it doesn't.
23:30<simonrvn>chealer: cool, sounds like life is treating you good. :)
23:30<twb>burningphire: that package is only installed if you're using DHCP
23:31<burningphire>I am using DHCP. Why is it chosen over dhcpcd and pump, though?
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23:31<twb>whim
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23:31<simonrvn>because it's tiny
23:32<chealer>twb: it does
23:32<burningphire>I was reading this: http://dhcpcd.berlios.de/, said dhclient was bloated. I haven't looked at the code for either of the packages, personally.
23:32<simonrvn><-- was making stuff up, FYI
23:33<chealer>simonrvn: yes. and the weather is treating Quebec well. I have the impression that we're in summer since a few days.
23:33[~]chealer checks the calendar.
23:33<chealer>oh, wait...
23:34<simonrvn>chealer: yeh, we had a couple of real hot days 31 ish close to 40 with humidity
23:34<simonrvn>we *are* summer ;)
23:34<twb>pfft
23:34<twb>31°C isn't hot
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23:34<burningphire>So, is there anyone who I can talk to about the DHCP clients who won't make stuff up?
23:34<chealer>simonrvn: so it's better in Montreal?
23:35<simonrvn>twb: no, but when we've been having normal weather lately, not the 35-37 we've had in past years
23:35<simonrvn>chealer: better is relative ;p
23:36<twb>burningphire: ghandi
23:36<jusae>twb: i wouldn't worry about the circuit thing, i'm gonna need to get mosaic workin first
23:36<twb>jusae: what's wrong with netcat?
23:36<jusae>i haven't looked at any of them
23:37<chealer>simonrvn: OK. how are you doing?
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23:37<simonrvn>burningphire: kidding aside i'm not sure why dhclient is default, it has been for years
23:37<jusae>and the bind records are workin alot better
23:37<simonrvn>chealer: doing real good
23:37<simonrvn>burningphire: there is a reason for it, i've forgotten it
23:37<bgat>I'm using vncserver 3.3.7-14. when I launch it, all I see when I connect the vnc client is the Debian swirl. no window manager, nothing. I've tried several different flavors of ~/.vnc/xstartup, nothing seems to help. ideas?
23:37<jusae>now the records point to the right place, apache isn't given me shit, nor it exim
23:37<simonrvn>probably becuase it doesn't require muc configuration
23:38<simonrvn>much
23:38<simonrvn>anyway, need food. afk
23:39<jusae>weasel rulz
23:39<twb>bgat: a blue swirl?
23:39<jusae>i know ur readin this weasel, u little cuddly fluss bunny
23:39<chealer>a ricer saying that something is bloated. interesting.
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23:40<venkates1>i wish they had kept the old iceweasel icon ( the green one0
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23:41<twb>I wish moco would roll over and die and someone would write a better replacement from scratch
23:42<bgat>twb: yea, kinda like the background from kdm...
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23:42<twb>netsurf and konqueror don't cut it
23:42<bgat>twb: in fact, I think it is the background used by kdm...
23:42<chealer>simonrvn: well, good :)
23:42<twb>bgat: do you have a .Xclients, .xsession and .xinitrc file?
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23:43<bgat>twb: no, yes, and no.
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23:43<twb>I think vnc is ignoring your file (because it has the wrong name) and trying to start gnome
23:43<twb>BICBW
23:43<bgat>interesting.
23:43<twb>I symlink .xsession to the other files
23:43<bgat>I don't have gnome installed. :)
23:44<bgat>what's in your .xsession?
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23:44<twb>ftp://twb.ath.cx/Preferences/.xsession
23:44<chealer>burningphire: presumably since it's older. it looks better maintained too.
23:44<twb>ftp://twb.ath.cx/Preferences/Makefile
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23:46<Callahad>I'm an idiot. How do I get X to recognize pcf fonts in my ~/.fonts/? Isn't fontconfig supposed to make this automagic?
23:47<bgat>twb: hmm.
23:47<bgat>yours gives me a black screen. :)
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23:48<twb>So it's winning
23:48<bgat>I put in just a startkde instead, and now I see kde....
23:48<twb>Right
23:48<bgat>but when I try to launch a root terminal, nothing happens.
23:48<bgat>... or any other terminal, for that matter.
23:48<twb>"a root terminal"?
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23:49<bgat>Utilities|Root Terminal
23:49<twb>What does that mean to real people?
23:49<twb>xterm -e su - ?
23:49<bgat>Click on the "K", then....
23:49<bgat>oh...
23:49<bgat>roughly, yea.
23:49<bgat>:)
23:49<twb>Use M-f2 and run that command directly.
23:49<twb>Actually, run xterm -hold -e su -
23:50<bgat>heh... that runs it on KDE locally. :)
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23:51<bgat>aah... but if I right-click in the vncviewer window, and type that in after clicking Run... then I get the expected result.
23:51<bgat>:)
23:51<twb>gh
23:51<twb>Ugh, even.
23:52<twb>I of course meant to send M-f2 to the vnc window
23:52<bgat>:)
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23:52<bgat>hmmm.
23:53<bgat>sumthin' still ain't right.
23:53<bgat>wieerd. there's no $DISPLAY set.
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23:54<twb>Why should DISPLAY be set?
23:54<flaco>what is the python channel?
23:55<twb>flaco: #python on freenode
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23:57<flaco>twb: thks
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23:57<twb>English, please.
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