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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-08-04

---Logopened Sat Aug 04 00:00:09 2007
00:00<craigevil>have you checked for a backported version?
00:00<craigevil>!backports
00:00<dpkg>[backports] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>
00:00<jeremiahzg>yeah couldn't find one
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01:33<keithr>#list
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02:02<andax>how do you say the character " in english?
02:09<gsimmons>andax: Double quotation mark.
02:09<andax>thanks
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02:11<tcsetattr>its official unicode name is apparently just QUOTATION MARK.
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02:13<tcsetattr>I don't know if "double quotation mark" can actually be said to be a common English term... specialized jargon maybe. I'm pretty sure I didn't hear it before I met unix
02:14<tcsetattr>since we abuse the apostrophe character we call it "single quote", but it ain't really.
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02:19<tcsetattr>no takers?
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02:38<xiao>does any have met such a problem? when pluging an exteranl usb harddisk, konqueror gives out such message"hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
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02:48<xerophyte>does anybody know how to unlock xterm .. i mean i can not type sometine it get locked with combination of keys
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02:52<azeem>anybody know whether/where gnumeric autosaves? I've got a document open in a remote session I'd like to copy over...
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02:55<cahoot>azeem, it's a configurable option
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02:57<azeem>heh, too late
02:57<gustavo>can someone help me with vmware? "Unable to change virtual machine power state: Failed to connect to peer process."
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03:05<xiao>is there anyone who can help me to use external usb harddisk? when i pluged an usb harddisk, i just got such a message in konqueror" hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
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03:08<Nemoder>xiao: try adding your user to the disk and plugdev groups
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03:09<xiao>i have done this and i confirm that my user is in plugdev groups, but the problem is still exist.
03:09<Nemoder>have you logged out and back in since changing groups?
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03:14<Guest78>Hi, I am currently migrating from Microsoft VPC (BIG MISTAKE) to VMWare and I need some help. If I just copy all files from MSVPC to VMWare, will Debian still work properly (Since the drivers and emulators are different)
03:16<Guest78>And also is there anyway to backup all debian files and then add them to the new virtual PC without doing a debian installation
03:17<xiao>Nemoder: en, after i do this action, i reboot my computer. if i plug a usb disk (vfat format,512M), all works fine
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03:20<xiao>this problem only happened when i use a usb external hard disk with ntfs format filesystem
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03:42<gustavo>when i install a system on vmware where is it located at?
03:43<Supaplex>usually /var/lib/vmware/
03:43<gustavo>thanks
03:44<gustavo>its not :-(
03:44<Supaplex>run vmware-config.pl to find out
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03:45[~]fxiny clamps a *pl* car ...
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03:47<EmleyMoor>I appear not to be able to get any audio out of my USB headset any more
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03:48<EmleyMoor>Either its OSS-emulation device has changed or it has broken, by the sound of things
03:49<EmleyMoor>I have proven the apps - I can get sound through the speakers
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03:50<EmleyMoor>It moved
03:51<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to "fix" it to a specific /dev/dsp?
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03:54<AndyJ_Australia>Hi team, can anyone tell me what package libglib-1.2.so.0 is in? I've set up an IA32 chroot, and am trying to run a tiddly 32 bit application that needs this library
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03:55<Requiem>Hmm, does the LaCie LightScribe software work with any LightScribe drive?
03:55<suiside>AndyJ_Australia: you can find that out on packages.debian.org
03:55<AndyJ_Australia>Ah! Thank you suiside
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03:59<AndyJ_Australia>Found it ! Got it! Bookmarked the tool. Thanks again.
03:59<suiside>np
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04:04<tsai>anybody running debian 4.0 64bit with flash successfully installed?
04:05<oddtod>hey guys i was wondering if any one knows how to either reconfigure VMware to also be bridged to the wife card or if there is a way i can 'fake' like eth0 is connected and just make it run through eth1(wifi) for the time being
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04:06<Requiem>tsai: Try installing the 32 bit version of firefox instead of the 64
04:07<Requiem>the 64 bit version doesn't support flash in any way shape or form
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04:07<Requiem>hmm
04:07<tsai>i tried several tutorials from google installing the 32bit version. No luck. I did it before but forgot how?
04:07<Supaplex>oddtod: you wife is a card? that's blunt...
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04:08<Requiem>I have a sneaking suspicion that LaCie's software with work with other people's drives... it also appears you can't make holographic disks with lightscry though :(
04:08<tsai>Requiem, do you know how this is done?
04:08<Requiem>So no windows vista coasters for me
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04:09<oddtod>zwifi*
04:09<oddtod>wifi*
04:09<Requiem>tsai No idea, just that a bunch of people told me to do it when I had no flash on Fedora (even though I don't have a 64 bit processor, go figure)
04:09<oddtod>HAHA supaplex
04:09<Requiem>Does anybody know what kind of hardware is necessary for holographic disks?
04:10<tsai>Requiem, funny. I use IE6 thru wine, but do not like it
04:10<chuy>Requiem holographic drives ?
04:10<chuy>:P
04:10[~]Requiem snickers.
04:10<Requiem>that was a horrid pun
04:11<Supaplex>Requiem: what's special about it? it's just another style of label. is that what concerns you?
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04:11<Requiem>I'm tryin gto make counterfeit windows disks and turn them into coasters
04:11<Supaplex>oddtod: :) check the vmware forums on wifi bridging. I think it's a known issue (or as vmware might state, "it's by design")
04:12<Supaplex>Requiem: ask microsoft how they do it
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04:12<Requiem>Nah, Microsoft never shares anything
04:13<oddtod>thanks supaplex
04:13<Requiem>I should call the Chinese
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04:13<Requiem>they'll tell me, hell, they'll sell em to me at a reasonable price too
04:13<Supaplex>Requiem: I'm sure freenode ##windows would disagree, but *shrug*
04:13<AndyJ_Australia>Hi team, can anyone explain this for me? "To avoid locale problems you might also want to set up /etc/environment."
04:15<AndyJ_Australia>I'm trying to run a 32 bit app in a chroot, and this instruction is a little cryptic for my skill level. The instruction is part of the HOWTO here: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205
04:15<Supaplex>oddtod: and msg me when you find out so I remember better next time. (it's FAQ)
04:15<Requiem>Actually... Microsoft has a very legit reason for not sharing their burning tecniques. It's not exactly good for business if a lot of people know how to counterfeit the holos
04:16<Supaplex>AndyJ_Australia: you could compare /etc/environment between both regular+chroot
04:17<AndyJ_Australia>Ah! like I did to add users etc. Will do. Ta!
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04:21<AndyJ_Australia>Looks like a bad guess on my part.
04:21<AndyJ_Australia>Error is: Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
04:22<AndyJ_Australia>Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
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04:22<AndyJ_Australia>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
04:22<AndyJ_Australia>Xlib: No protocol specified
04:22<AndyJ_Australia>I've copied over the current /etc/environment to the chroot (there wasn't one there) but no effect
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04:52<oddtod>heya supaplex i got it working
04:53<oddtod>in order to do it i had to reconfigure my connections using a /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl
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05:11<tsai>Requiem, figured out the best solution to get flash running through my 64bit system. I installed Firefox for windows thru wine and it works! I'm using Pandora.com now.
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05:57<MilhousePunkRock>Hello everyone!
05:57<MilhousePunkRock>I am having problems to write on a NFS share that is both exported and mounted rw....
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06:13<oleth>hello. I try to compile mysql on debian (no apt). I follow instruction on mysql manual. I do ./configure and when I do make it says "no targets specified". Is it debian or mysql related?
06:14<oleth>mysql 5.0.45
06:16<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, can you elaborate. assuming your share is /foobar, what does 'exportfs -v | grep "/foobar"' says ?
06:16<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: That is on the server, I assume?
06:16<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, yes.
06:17<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: /mnt/maxtor 192.168.1.35(rw,wdelay,root_squash,no_subtree_check,anonuid=65534,anongid=65534)
06:18<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: And that is twice, since it is exported for .35 and .36
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06:21<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, which user (uid <> 0) do you use on the client-side ?
06:21<fxiny>does it work just (rwx) ?
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06:22<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: That is a good question, let me check
06:26<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: Uhm, how do I check that?
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06:27<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, just running 'id'. does that user+uid exists on server side ?
06:28<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: So that is uid and gid 1000
06:28<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, then, what does 'ls -al /foobar/myfile' says ?
06:30<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, then, what does 'ls -al /foobar/myfile' says ? ... i meant on the client side
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06:31<MilhousePunkRock>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root
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06:32<MilhousePunkRock>Why is it r when it's exported rw?
06:32<Aleksej>Hi. Has anyone experienced keyboard hangs with Lenny sometimes? I'd thought they might be because of the adapter, but using another adapter didn't help. Now I've connected a different keyboard, PS/2 without an adapter, and will probably see or not another hang in a week.
06:32<Aleksej>Sometimes, it starts to type spaces or "}" (or "{").
06:33<Aleksej>No way to stop or type anything else.
06:34<MilhousePunkRock>on the server, the exported disk is mounted with "defaults", I could be more specific there if needed
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06:36<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, what does 'mount | grep /foobar' says ?
06:37<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: So, on the server there is the same user with the same gid and uid... Actually I do not use the user account on the server, but I could not skip setting up a user during installation
06:37<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: That says nothing at all
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06:38<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, on the client side ?
06:38<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: On the server side that ws
06:38<MilhousePunkRock>was*
06:39<MilhousePunkRock>Same on client side
06:40<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, silly question : are you sure that your "mount /foobar" succedded ?
06:41<MilhousePunkRock>The share is mounted for sure, I can see the content
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06:41<MilhousePunkRock>It's in the fstab with noauto, the rest is handled by kde's media: applet
06:42<Aleksej>Could my problem be related to http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=85872&highlight=keyboard+hang&sid=98d0d046f1f867fd7cbbd984c5fff0e3#85872 ? It's just an AT 101-key Chicony KB-5311 on an x86 PC, though.
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06:42<Aleksej>Guess the post is about Etch, though.
06:42<Aleksej>Never had the problem in Etch.
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06:45<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: It used to work earlier, but I had to set up the server again, must have done something differently now, I kept everything on the client(s) side the way it was...
06:45<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, i don't use kde, but i'am surprised that mounted volume don't appear in 'mount' output.. maybe it's using a userspace nfs... can you try to mount the volume manually ?
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06:46<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: Hah! I grep'ed for the wrong /mnt/
06:46<MilhousePunkRock>192.168.1.77:/mnt/maxtor on /mnt/nfs type nfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,addr=192.168.1.77)
06:46<MilhousePunkRock>There it is
06:46<MilhousePunkRock>Actually I had a / after nfs, that's why it wasn't found
06:48<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: And I am using nfs-kernel-server on the server side
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06:51<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: Maybe I just need to chmod the share on the server?
06:52<MilhousePunkRock>I am 100% sure I did not need to do that when I set up the server the first time
06:52<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, i assumed the file was owned by the user... what 'ls -al /foobar/myfile' says on the server ?
06:53<MilhousePunkRock>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40 2007-08-04 13:01 /mnt/maxtor/media/test
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06:55<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, correct, you should chmod (or chown..) on server side.
06:56<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: Since I always have the same user on both my clients I guess chown will do it, right?
06:57<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, if you consider those files "private", it's the best option.
06:58<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, as usually, if you plan to share your file with among a restricted list of users, i group will do.
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06:59<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, whereas public files can be `chmod 666 ..`
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07:00<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, "chown -R myusername /foobar" will recursively change the owner of all files (directory, etc..)
07:02<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: Besides that test file, there is nothing on there yet, as I could not write to it...
07:02<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, ;) sure
07:02<fpiat>Aleksej, did you mean a USB-PS2 adapter
07:03<Aleksej>fpiat: no, DIN→mini-DIN
07:03<Aleksej>or vice-versa, don't know
07:03<Aleksej>old keyboard → new motherboard
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07:03<MilhousePunkRock>Hmm, privat, public, whatever... This "network" consists of this desktop, my laptop, and the server (NSLU2 with a USB disk). The userbase is only me. Ignoring my girlfriend and her Windows laptop, as Windows does not speak NFS anyway...
07:04<MilhousePunkRock>Aleksej: mini-DIN on a new mainboard?
07:04<Aleksej>MilhousePunkRock: yep
07:04<Aleksej>MilhousePunkRock: = PS/2
07:05<MilhousePunkRock>Wasn't that the precursor of PS/2?
07:05<MilhousePunkRock>Well, probably DIN was...
07:05<Aleksej>yep
07:05<Aleksej>PS/2 for keyboard is a small DIN.
07:06<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, chown is the easiest way, anyway (P.S. Microsoft provides some [crappy] NFS client for free. search SFU)
07:06<Aleksej>AFAIK
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07:06<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: Well, maybe I will set up a SMB share for my girlfriend if she ever decides to start backing up her data.
07:07<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, sounds clever.
07:08<Aleksej>I mean, the Mini-DIN 6, which is the keyboard PS/2, is little different from the keyboard DIN.
07:08<fpiat>Aleksej, i haven't played with DIN vs PS2 for a while ... but from what i remember, i wouldn't use an adapter, if it wasn't provided with the keyboard.
07:08<Aleksej>?
07:08<Aleksej>hmm
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07:09<Aleksej>How could adapters be provided with the keyboards?
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07:09<Aleksej>http://www.nix.ru/autocatalog/adapters_switches/DIN2_5502.html
07:09<Aleksej>$0.65
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07:10<Kalessin>Hello !
07:10<MilhousePunkRock>Aleksej: Well, with my USB mice there were always PS/2 adapters supplied, IIRC
07:11<Aleksej>MilhousePunkRock: the keyboard was made or sold in 1997.
07:11<Aleksej>It has a DIN cable on it only.
07:11<MilhousePunkRock>fpiat: Works now! Thanks for walking me through. (I should have thought of just chown'ing it myself in the first place though)
07:12<MilhousePunkRock>Aleksej: Let me guess, I spiral phone-cable type one?
07:12<Aleksej>The adapter costs, e.g., $0.65 - not really a device.
07:12<fpiat>MilhousePunkRock, great.
07:12<Aleksej>MilhousePunkRock: yep
07:12<Kalessin>I get a challenge : I must install debian on a machine with an ich9 chipset (unsupported by 2.6.18 kernel) and a nvidia card (unsupported by a 2.6.21 kernel)
07:12<Kalessin>:X
07:12<MilhousePunkRock>Aleksej: I liked those, I wonder why they stopped using them
07:12<Aleksej>Kalessin: you can either use the nv driver, or patch the proprietary NVIDIA driver, so it can be installed
07:13<Kalessin>A patch exist ? tell me more :D
07:13<Aleksej>Kalessin: brb
07:13<Kalessin>ok :)
07:13<fpiat>Kalessin, ICH9 ?? lucky boy !
07:13<MilhousePunkRock>Kalessin: You want to use the proprietary NVidia driver if you plan to use 3D stuff
07:13<Kalessin>yes MilhousePunkRock
07:13<Aleksej>MilhousePunkRock: we've found a 101 keyboard with short DIN cable a 1.85 extension cable with it!
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07:13<Aleksej>(or maybe not short, but for that computer, it is)
07:14<Aleksej>Kalessin: http://grizach.sc18.info/nvpatch/
07:14[~]MilhousePunkRock needs to go rent a DVD now, have a nice day everyone!
07:14<fpiat>Aleksej, yuo should borrow/try an native PS2 keyboard. i wouldn't be surprised if your problem vanishes.
07:14<Aleksej>fpiat: I've just connected one.
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07:15<Aleksej>But it's noisy and uncomfortable (for one, the space is mounted like crap). Genius KWD-910.
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07:15<Kalessin>ok thanks
07:15<Aleksej>Also it takes more desktop space, until I buy an LCD monitor, it does matter...
07:15<Aleksej>Kalessin: np
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07:20<AndyJ_Australia>Hi People, any suggestions on how to get sound to work with Firefox/Flash 9?
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07:22<Aleksej>AndyJ_Australia: with Flash 7, it was in /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc , I think.
07:22<Aleksej>It's not Flash-exclusive, though.
07:22<Daemon-->hi, ive setup a new webserver running etch 4.0 but its not behind any NAT router or firewall, would IP tables be a way of protecting it? or can someone recommend a better way?
07:22<Aleksej>AndyJ_Australia: I have FIREFOX_DSP="auto" there
07:23<AndyJ_Australia>I haven't been able to find an equivalent file on my system
07:23<Aleksej>AndyJ_Australia: try creating it.
07:23<Aleksej>That helped me with Firefox trunk and/or maybe 2 to get sound in an extension recently.
07:23<AndyJ_Australia>I didn't think of that.
07:23<Aleksej>I'm not using Flash.
07:23<AndyJ_Australia>BRB
07:23<fpiat>AndyJ_Australia, i don't have is either, and it works.
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07:24<Aleksej>AndyJ_Australia: there is also /etc/mozilla/mozillarc, which claims to have been created by debconf. It might be for Seamonkey or old versions.
07:25<fpiat>AndyJ_Australia, but i have /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
07:25<Aleksej>/etc/mozilla/mozillarc didn't affect my Firefox trunk or maybe 2 when I used the setting last time.
07:25<AndyJ_Australia>Problem is, I'm running 32 bit Firefox in Chroot IA32 so I can run Flash at all...
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07:26<AndyJ_Australia>The only place I've found the FIREFOX_DSP is in a script file associated with Iceweasel (64 bit version)
07:26<Aleksej>AndyJ_Australia: Then the /etc/... in the chroot? Aren't devices the same? Or refer to chroot sound problems.
07:26<fpiat>AndrewB, you might want to try to borrow flashplugin-nonfree amd64 from testing,
07:27<richard_>hi can someone help me with the install of linuxmint.iso
07:28<AndyJ_Australia>I'm just going to try install iceweasel in 32bit from within the chroot... you never know...
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07:30<Aleksej>Heh, if only that'd be someone with my keyboard problem. ;-)
07:31<AndyJ_Australia>???
07:31<Aleksej>AndyJ_Australia: lately, my AT keyboard has been hanging typing "}" or " " sometimes.
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07:33<AndyJ_Australia>Ah! I went crazy recently on another box, couldn't type a number of important characters for java, they were there, but not recognised by the compiler, turned out that the system was defaulting to latin extentions
07:33<Aleksej>*hanging sometimes, typing [the characters] until restart
07:34<fpiat>AndyJ_Australia, i guess you also need to install a sound library in your chroot (esd or arts ... /usr/share/doc/iceweasel/README.Debian)
07:34<Anon>ok just finished the debian install and kinda noob to linux, so I have a couple problems: I need to enable my swap partition, I need ot enable and configure my wireless card (2200BG intel sentrino onboard) and if that's done I'm happy for today
07:34<AndyJ_Australia>Dang! I should have thought of that
07:35<Aleksej>Anon: if you've created the swap partition during installation, it's probably already enabled.
07:35<Aleksej>Anon: execute "free"
07:36<Anon>no I had the swapaprtition before
07:36<Anon>swap used: 0
07:36<Anon>Mem: 2075616 302724 1772892 0 12412 176992
07:36<Anon>-/+ buffers/cache: 113320 1962296
07:36<Anon>Swap: 2104472 0 2104472
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07:37<Aleksej>Anon: seems to be enables.
07:37<Aleksej>*enabled
07:37<Aleksej>Anon: cat /proc/swaps
07:37<Anon>ok awesome
07:37<Aleksej>If it's listed at all, it's enabled (at least here)
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07:38<Anon>yeah it's listed there
07:39<Anon>erm now the wifi stuff ...
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07:41<AndyJ_Australia>OK 32 bit iceweasel installed... now I have /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc but I can find the iceweasel directories for the 32 bit flash 9!
07:42<AndyJ_Australia>any guesses where components would have gone?
07:43<Aleksej>/usr/lib/(lib)?flashp.*, I guess
07:44<fpiat>Anon, you need to add "contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
07:44<Aleksej>anyway, check the Firefox plugins directory, for where it is linked to
07:44<AndyJ_Australia>I'm looking for that too!
07:44<fxiny>you can edit pluginreg.dat
07:44<AndyJ_Australia>Bear with me, I'm getting tired
07:44<Aleksej>~/.mozilla/plugins here
07:45<Aleksej>I have it linked to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
07:45<fpiat>Anon, then install ipw2200 module, run : aptitude update ; aptitude install ipw2200-modules-`uname -r`
07:45<Aleksej>brb/bbl
07:46<AndyJ_Australia>found it. /usr/lib/iceweasel
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07:48<Anon>how do you add contrib to /etc/apt/souces.list?
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07:51<Anon>oh and I don't get it, when I do sudo command, and it asks me for a password, that's the root password right?
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07:52<fpiat>Anon, in the default configuration this is the user’s password, not the root password
07:52<Anon>oh ok
07:52<Anon>yeah default options, very default
07:54<fpiat>Anon, your line should read "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main", add "contrib non-free" after main everywhere.
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07:55<Anon>with or without ""?
07:55<fpiat>Anon, no quotes
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07:57<fpiat>Anon, a typical line is "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free"
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07:57<Anon>hmhm I found the file opened it, but an't save it after modifying
08:01<lupine>need to be root/sudo
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08:02<lupine>sudo sed -i "s/ main/ main contrib non-free" /etc/apt/sources.list would work
08:02<stew>non-terminated s expression
08:03<ranix>needs more trailing /
08:03<Anon>yeah I managed with nano
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08:05<Anon>hmhm ok did that
08:05<fxiny>perl -i -p -e 's/ main/main contrib non-free/g;' /etc/apt/sources.list :)))
08:05<Anon>also the aptitude install
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08:08<fpiat>Anon, you should retrieve the firmware from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php
08:08<Anon>ifonfig only gives a loopback and my ethernet card
08:09<Anon>ok, trying
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08:10<fpiat>Anon, and save the firmware file, uncompressed in /lib/firmware
08:11<Anon>it has 3 fw files, a bss, a ibss and a sniffer
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08:14<fpiat>Anon, i can't get any clear reference... try copying the three of them. then rmmod ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200
08:15<Anon>as I can't do it on my dekstop I'm trying command line now
08:15<Anon>gimme a minute
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08:19<Anon>fpiat, cna't find it, how do I as root untar those files ot the folder?
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08:20<ranix>my cd-rom drive picks up radio stations
08:20<ranix>:(
08:20<ranix>I thought it was my speakers. I got new ones and I still kept getting static and funny noises out of them
08:20<Anon>nice
08:21<ranix>so I thought something was wrong with my sound card
08:21<Anon>in some skandinavian country there was once a girl who received a radio station on he braces
08:21<fpiat>Anon, if i were you, i would extract the file in /tmp/ using gnome archiver, then copy th files as root.
08:21<ranix>so I unplugged my cd rom aux audio thing
08:21<ranix>turns out, my CD rom drive is an antenna :(
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08:22<softwork>why my DVD drive destroy DVDS???
08:22<ranix>softwork: it's posessed by Azathoth
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08:22<fxiny>hahahah
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08:23<softwork>i put original DVD in drive and dont work more
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08:23<softwork>is recording drive
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08:25<EmleyMoor>How do I add "quick launch" buttons to the top bar on the gnome desktop? Also, is there any way I can fix the device names of my sound hardware when using OSS emulation?
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08:26<ranix>EmleyMoor: you should be able to add a 'launcher' element to the panel
08:26<Aleksej>EmleyMoor: Add to Panel → (Custom) Application Launcher
08:26<EmleyMoor>softwork: Was some noise made?
08:26<EmleyMoor>Aleksej: Thanks
08:26<Aleksej>np
08:26<softwork>is hardware problem
08:26<softwork>is LG drive
08:26<EmleyMoor>Yes but was some NOISE made?#
08:26<fpiat>EmleyMoor, right click, add to panel, then either "Custom Application launcher" or "Application Launcher" (try)
08:26<ranix>softwork: are you sure? LG drives are pretty rock solid
08:26<softwork>no
08:26<ranix>softwork: they're one of the few manufacturers that uses all gears instead of rubber bands
08:26<softwork>no noise
08:27<EmleyMoor>softwork: And how do you surmise the DVD is dest
08:27<EmleyMoor>destroyed?
08:27<AndyJ_Australia>alsa installed, no sound in iceweasel, iceweaselrc: ICEWEASEL_DSP="alsa" help!
08:27<AndyJ_Australia>tried "auto" too
08:27<Anon>fpiat I just don't manage ... :(
08:27<softwork>ruined the DVD
08:27<ranix>AndyJ_Australia: is it just iceweasel that has no sound?
08:27<AndyJ_Australia>yes, sound is fine in X
08:28<AndyJ_Australia>Mainly obvious when looking at flash videos...
08:28<AndyJ_Australia>Otherwise, I don't expect sound on websites...
08:28<softwork>ruined, ruins DVD
08:28<EmleyMoor>fpiat: Best yet :-)
08:28<ranix>AndyJ_Australia: I don't think flash outputs audio through iceweasel
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08:29<ranix>AndyJ_Australia: I think it handles that by itself
08:29<EmleyMoor>softwork: Yes, but how do you KNOW it has ruined the DVD?
08:29<fpiat>Anon, where do you get sucked ?
08:29<softwork>dotn work more in others DVD players
08:29<softwork>*dont
08:30<EmleyMoor>softwork: I presume you've checked for foreign matter and scratches?
08:30<AndyJ_Australia>ranix: any idea where else I should look?
08:30<ranix>AndyJ_Australia: I'd see if flash has any configuration and make sure it's not fubar
08:30<softwork>yes I verified
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08:30<ranix>alsa shouldn't have problems with that kind of thing though
08:30<Aleksej>AndyJ_Australia: are you running the 32-bit iceweasel in chroot as well?
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08:30<Aleksej>AndyJ_Australia: can you verify that there is sound in the chroot?
08:31<Anon>well it won't let me copy hte files
08:31<softwork>before it functioned, when I put in my reader dont work more
08:31<EmleyMoor>softwork: How old is the drive?
08:31<Anon>as I am not root
08:31<softwork>1 year
08:31<fxiny>again the infamous LG issue coming ?
08:31<softwork>+-
08:32<EmleyMoor>softwork: I'd claim against your supplier in that case
08:32<AndyJ_Australia>Aleksej: Yes, I've installed the 32-bit Iceweasel into the chroot
08:32<fxiny>how old is that LG ?
08:32<softwork>yes
08:32<softwork>it is what I go to make
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08:32<AndyJ_Australia>ranix: flash is just a plugin file for Iceweasel, other than a pop up window, I can't see any other config
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08:34<fpiat>Anon, i assume you have uncompressed the files in /tmp/ipw2200-fw-3.0/ then run sudo cp /tmp/ipw2200-fw-3.0/*.fw /lib/firmware/
08:34<AndyJ_Australia>Aleksej: I've also installed alsa into the chroot
08:34<ranix>AndyJ_Australia: you got me. Alsa is more or less the default way applications will expect to use sound, so there's rarely any configuration associated with it. You haven't by any chance just added yourself to the 'audio' group and haven't restarted X yet, maybe?
08:35<Aleksej>ranix: IIRC, the common solution for the flash sound problem was to edit the Firefox's rc file in /etc
08:35<AndyJ_Australia>ranix: No, but I'll check the audio group and make sure I'm in there...
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08:35<ranix>AndyJ_Australia: if sound is working elsewhere then that's not the issue
08:35<AndyJ_Australia>ranix: no worries
08:36<AndyJ_Australia>Any kind of error function to show me the errors behind Iceweasel?
08:36<AndyJ_Australia>Any way to look under X
08:36<ranix>did you check Aleksej's suggestion to verify if sound works elsewhere in the chroot?
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08:36<AndyJ_Australia>'s skirts?
08:37<AndyJ_Australia>ranix: Good thinking, can you suggest a way to check sound in the chroot?
08:37<ranix>AndyJ_Australia: yeah, you could run it from an xterm, you would get all the output there
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08:37<Aleksej>AndyJ_Australia: when I were running Minefield (Firefox trunk) or Firefox 2 (not sure which) from the terminal, it did output errors about the extension not able to play sound.
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08:38<ranix>you could run mp3blaster or madplay from the command line, AndyJ_Australia
08:38<Aleksej>*an extension. it was some game
08:39<AndyJ_Australia>On sec, just trying again from an xterm
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08:42<AndyJ_Australia>Nope: no difference to the terminal I was using, there is no error being returned to the terminal.
08:42<ranix>AndyJ_Australia: can you run alsamixer from the chrooted terminal?
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08:42<AndyJ_Australia>I'll probably have to install it, but I'll have a go...
08:43<ranix>I will lol if the volume is down
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08:44<AndyJ_Australia>ranix: me too
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08:46<AndyJ_Australia>installing alsa-utils
08:46<AndyJ_Australia>Life would be sooo much easier if I could persuade people to not use Flash. <sigh>
08:46<ranix>someone paypal me $266 so I can get a q6600
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08:47<lupine>mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev
08:47<AndyJ_Australia>OK alsamixer is running
08:47<lupine>(if you haven't already)
08:48<io_>c
08:48<ranix>alsamixer would die if it can't find /dev/snd right?
08:49<lupine>no idea
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08:49<AndyJ_Australia>The first three volumes are at max, the others don't look relevant
08:49<lupine>it's just something I have to do to get sound playback working in my chroot
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08:49<AndyJ_Australia>I'll just check fstab
08:49<ranix>AndyJ_Australia: you got me stumped.
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08:51<AndyJ_Australia>lupine: /dev is in fstab:
08:51<AndyJ_Australia>lupine: /dev /var/chroot/sid-ia32/dev none bind 0 0
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08:51<lupine>mm, that should be fine
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08:52<lupine>a problem with esd/alsa ?
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08:52<lupine>s/alsa/arts
08:53<AndyJ_Australia>I really need to find a way to check it in the chroot
08:53<ranix>unterminated s expression
08:53<AndyJ_Australia>I read that as replace alsa with arts
08:53<ranix>I read that as unterminated s expression
08:53<AndyJ_Australia>I haven't installed arts in the chroot yet
08:53<AndyJ_Australia>vi talk?
08:53<ranix>s/alsa/arts/
08:53<lupine>yeah, yeah :p
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08:54<AndyJ_Australia>:wq
08:54<lupine>AndyJ_Australia: so you're using arts on the host (amd64) machine?
08:55<AndyJ_Australia>lupine: good question, forgive my newbieness, how can I tell?
08:55<lupine>are you using kde?
08:55<AndyJ_Australia>gnome
08:55<lupine>then you're not using arts. is esd running?
08:57<AndyJ_Australia>I'm looking to see if I can find out what's doing the sound in X but so far no luck.
08:57<lupine>I can get sound in my chroot here as long as nothing (arts, esd, xmms) is monopolising alsa
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08:57<lupine>ps aux |grep esd will tell you if it's running
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08:59<AndyJ_Australia>lupine: usr/bin/esd/no beeps
08:59<AndyJ_Australia>esd stop?
08:59<lupine>the gnome control panel has an option to turn esd off
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09:00<lupine>(run "sudo gnome-sound-properties" in a terminal if you can't find it in a menu)
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09:00<AndyJ_Australia>lupine: OK turned off ESD in Sound preferences
09:00<AndyJ_Australia>Should have looked there first <slaps self on forehead>
09:01<lupine>right. that should have stopped esd - check with ps aux |grep esd again
09:01<AndyJ_Australia>I'll try again.
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09:01<AndyJ_Australia>lupine: looks like the same result
09:01<lupine>as in, esd is still running?
09:01<AndyJ_Australia>as far as I can tell
09:02<lupine>"sudo killall esd", then
09:03<AndyJ_Australia>not in sudoers group
09:03<AndyJ_Australia>:) however killed the long way
09:03<lupine>then kill it as root
09:03<lupine>ok :)
09:03<lupine>now try sound
09:03<AndyJ_Australia>trying iceweasel again BRB
09:04<AndyJ_Australia>Yay!!!!!
09:04[~]lupine <----- rocks
09:05<AndyJ_Australia>lupine: esd was the culprit!
09:05<lupine>it usually is
09:05<lupine>another upshot of disabling it is that all those really annoying sounds should stop
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09:05<AndyJ_Australia>ROFL!
09:06<AndyJ_Australia>Yes, well... I must admit
09:06<AndyJ_Australia>lupine: thanks dude!
09:06<lupine>np :)
09:06<Anonissimus>damn who helped me here like minutes ago?
09:09<Anonissimus>ok, how do I load my wifi card drivers again, I forgot?
09:10<fpiat>Anonissimus, modprobe ipw2200
09:10<lupine>modprobe ipw2200 ?
09:10<Anonissimus>right :)
09:10<Anonissimus>:D
09:10<fpiat>Anonissimus, consider adding ipw2200 in /etc/modules
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09:12<Anonissimus>yeah wanted to do so, but when lifting up my laptop I forgot that I removed the battery
09:12<eurisko>hi
09:12<Anonissimus>and I kinda shut it down abruptly like that
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09:12<eurisko>someone here with a laptop with a ACPI, called ATK0100 or something?
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09:13<hatoon>boa tarde a todos !
09:13<Anonissimus>hi there eurisko
09:13<eurisko>boa tarde hatoon
09:13<Anonissimus>and goodevening to you hatoon
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09:19<Anon>ok awesome it's working :)
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09:30<mavior>hello all
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09:38<Anon>ok, next step in setting up debian
09:38<Anon>how do I get my 2 monitor setup to work
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09:40<tslh>hello there
09:41<tslh>I have a small glitch here:
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09:41<tslh>I have an iso, that I want to put "as is" on my usb drive
09:41<tslh>(the iso, not the content)
09:41<tslh>I make it with a normal cp
09:41<Anon>cp source destination
09:41<tslh>but when I md5sum it
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09:42<tslh>the sums are differents
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09:42<tslh>but when I redo it... the "bad" checsums are the same
09:42<lpb-oberon>wtf your doing it with cp?
09:42<tslh>strange, isn't it?
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09:42<lpb-oberon>safe sex!! use scp!!!
09:42<tslh>lpb-oberon: if you know a better tool to copy a file
09:42<tslh>for local copy? O_o?
09:42<lpb-oberon>lol
09:43<lpb-oberon>rsync
09:43<simon444>lpb-oberon, not everything is about sex
09:43<simon444>ah your German
09:43<lpb-oberon>simon444: your sure?
09:43<simon444>yes
09:44<tslh>"oberon" sound more like a french country than a german one :)
09:44<lpb-oberon>damn so you must be older than me:)
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09:44<mavior>hello, i am pretty new to debian(i have only experience with rh) and yesterday i have successfully done my first etch desktop installation:all went well but a small problem: the network manager shows the status as "offline" even though i'm online and i can navigate. i have set up statically my eth0 wired connection, any hints on this? tnx
09:45<lpb-oberon>and what the hell happened to my nick:(
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09:46<vnode>oh - sorry i was not aware of being in this network/channel ...
09:46<simon444>tslh, is that some Plan 9 influence
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09:48<simon444>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon_operating_system
09:48<simon444>!oberon
09:48<dpkg>oberon is probably http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/, an OS/language hybrid. The language is a Wirth language (Pascal-like), and the OS has GUI and network support, and can run on bare hardware or under Linux/Solaris/Win32
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09:48<simon444>!plan9
09:48<dpkg>i heard plan9 is at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/, written by the creators of Unix and C, a highly distributed OS, filesystem layout resembles Unix somewhat. Very mouse intensive. Now under a mostly free license.
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09:49<tslh>ooooh
09:49<tslh>I go to sleep less dumb that night
09:49<tslh>:)
09:49<fxiny>tslh: cp is perfect : do you have enough space on usb ?
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09:52<simon444>tslh, plan 9 always educates
09:52<fxiny>ahhh simon444 ? are you back ?
09:52<simon444>what happen to that debian port to plan 9?
09:52<simon444>fxiny, pardon?
09:53<fxiny>yahhh , you are definetely back :)
09:53<simon444>was I gone in the first place?
09:54<simon444>!debian plan 9
09:55<fxiny>even dpkg knows you are back : hahahah :)
09:55<simon444>fxiny, what are you on about?
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09:56<fxiny>jd : what else ?
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09:56<simon444>!jd
09:56<dpkg>methinks jd is Jimmy Galbally (mailto:jimdude@eidosnet.co.uk), or a superb human being
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09:56<simon444>umm /me backs away
09:57<tslh>fxiny: definitly, yes
09:57<seeS>i thought it was an alcoholic drink
09:57<tslh>fxiny: but it's a rather normal problem that I regulary meet
09:57<tslh>maybe my usb drive is too old?
09:57<simon444>tslh, was it made in china?
09:58<tslh>simon444: worst: thailand
09:58<tslh>:D
09:58<tslh>hep hep ehp!
09:58<tslh>the fourth attempt was the right, my checksum is good!
09:58<simon444>tslh, some USB sticks lie about the amount of space they have
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09:59<simon444>mostly the ones from china
09:59<tslh>tsss tsss, laptop, little laptop, say hello to sid :D
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09:59<simon444>the rest of the data tends to be random junk
09:59<seeS>my usb key started corrupting file
09:59<tslh>simon444: a just formated 256MB stick, where I put a 50MB ISO file on it can"t lie enough ;)
09:59<simon444>so it passes the tests
10:00<tslh>simon444: but this is good to know that
10:00<tslh>thanks for your help, folks!
10:00<simon444>tslh, still can be fooled
10:00<seeS>its was a crappy one, it didnt even boot
10:00<simon444>nppp
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10:00<seeS>it didnt even let me install files after a certain point
10:01<simon444>seeS, made in china.
10:01<seeS>think so, it was rubbish
10:02<seeS>my ageing kingston still going strong
10:02<seeS>just a tad small at 128meg
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10:03<simon444>seeS, you live in au?
10:03<seeS>yeah
10:03<simon444>which state?
10:03<seeS>probably easiest to say act, im that close to it
10:03<simon444>cool
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10:04<simon444>I live in Sydney right now but am moving to Perth soon
10:04<seeS>i used to live there, left sydney in jan
10:04<simon444>lets take this to a private chat...
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10:06<Anon>anyone experience with twinview?
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10:08<vnode>!google twin view how to
10:09<vnode>!google xorg twinview how to
10:09<vnode>http://www.simplyrender.com/TwinView.html
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10:11<Anon>no, that's not the matter, just wondering if there was anyone
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10:11<Anon>I got plenty of intuctions from google
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10:26<simon444>where are the other bots?
10:26<simon444>!bots
10:26<dpkg>All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg, apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anyway.
10:27<simon444>apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, none are here!
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10:30[~]simon444 beats dpkg with apt
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10:44[~]simon444 beats the crap out of your mom
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10:44<simon444>"It seems that Securi's shift-key is hanging: 1.7% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE.
10:44<simon444>For example, like this:
10:44<simon444> <Securi> :S "
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10:45<simon444>wtf that bot seems stupid
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10:47<codeblue>dondelelcaro: what was that commend the auto installed RT61 drivers?
10:48<codeblue>or where should i get them, i had to reboot fater attempting to install truecrypt, then i reinstalled my wirless card but somthing went wrong and i had to reboot agean
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10:55<phlak>:)
10:55|-|phlak changed nick to Caeser
10:55|-|Caeser changed nick to phlak
10:56<phlak>hii
10:56|-|phlak changed nick to Caeser
10:56|-|Caeser changed nick to phlak
10:57<phlak>:$
10:57<fxiny>looking for Caius Brutus ?
10:57<phlak>how ?
10:57<phlak>me ?
10:57<phlak>:$
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10:59<simon444>!ops
10:59<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem
10:59<simon444>!ops phlak
10:59<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simon444 complains about: phlak
10:59<LoRez>eh?
10:59[~]peterS blinks
10:59<zobel>phlak: what is your problem?
11:00<simon444>who the fuck is "):" in between Electric1lf and helix
11:00<fxiny>what's wrong with phlak ? why are you complaining ?
11:00<phlak>nothing
11:00<fxiny>phlak: i know that :)
11:00<zobel>simon444: ??
11:00<phlak>what about you ?
11:00<fxiny>me ?
11:01<phlak>OUI
11:01<fxiny>i ain't calling ops , me !
11:01<simon444>zobel, thought it was a bot... at the rate the noise was coming...
11:01<zobel>simon444: okay. he seems not. /me now back to sleep mode...
11:01<simon444>"cElf, ):, hel"
11:01<codeblue>i am trying to do this: "fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version ${KERNEL_FLAV} --revision ${KERNEL_VERS} --config old configure" but term says bash: fakeroot: command not found
11:02<simon444>who the fuck is ):
11:02<gsimmons>codeblue: You'd want to install the 'fakeroot' package.
11:02<simon444>codeblue, tried installing it?
11:02<fxiny>i think is a zodiac sign
11:03<phlak>fakeroot for linux ?
11:03<codeblue>is ): even possible in an irc nick
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11:04<fxiny>last time i've see a ): i was digging a pharao tomb :P
11:04<codeblue>where can i get package make-kpkg
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11:05<Maulkin>simon444: please stop playing with the bots.
11:05<simon444>codeblue, no
11:05<simon444>Maulkin, playing with what bots?
11:05<codeblue>?
11:05<Maulkin>!tell codeblue about search
11:05<Maulkin>simon444: for example, dpkg
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11:06<zobel>Maulkin: [18:01:14] < simon444> zobel, thought it was a bot... at the rate the noise was coming...
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11:06<simon444>Maulkin, how was I playing with him? I was altering about.... nvm zobel ...
11:07<Maulkin>simon444: For example, above. If you need info for yourself, please /msg them :)
11:08<Metalqga>lol zobel has joined every debian related room on this server
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11:09<fred>problem with /dev/video. can you help me?
11:09<Maulkin>fred: What's the problem
11:09<Maulkin>?
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11:10<fred>v4l-info can't open /dev/video0: No such device
11:10<fred>lsusb detect my webcam.
11:10<Metalqga>is it a digital camera?
11:10<fred>yes quickcam express.
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11:10<Maulkin>Metalqga: nah, there's a few missing. Compare with /whois on me :)
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11:11<fred>i'm compil modu, load this module, but /dev/video not exist
11:11<Metalqga>:P
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11:13<fred>how to creat this /dev/video ?
11:14<phlak>fred
11:15<phlak>:$
11:15<fred>yes.
11:15<phlak>do you have abacktrack os ?
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11:16<fred>my problem is when y test my webcam.
11:16<fred>abacktrack ?
11:16<phlak>yeah
11:16<fred>my os, is minimal etch net install.
11:16<phlak>aha
11:17<fred>i'm download qc-usb-0.6.6.targz, tar and compil this module.
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11:17<fred>load this modul.
11:17<fred>and when ui test with testquickcam.sh.
11:17<simon444>love how Ken called it creat to make the letter 'e' not the most used letter
11:18<rata>I just upgrade from 2.6.18-5-686 to linux-image-2.6.21-2-686, but it does not boot. It says 'waiting for root filesystem' and there it hangs. I have ide/pata disk and it detects it as sata, i think there could be the problem. I tried to re-creat the initrd image adding ide_core and ide_disk and adding those to /etc/modules but id does not help. Anyone go through this or have an idea ?
11:18<fred>messag is can't open /dev/video0: No such device
11:18<zobel>Metalqga: no, not all, but most :P
11:18<phlak>qc ?
11:18<fxiny>e ? who said that ? e is very popular ...
11:18<fred>yes qce qc Express.
11:18<phlak>its a linux open source ?
11:19<Maulkin>phlak: yes
11:19<phlak>aha...
11:19<phlak>for hacking ?
11:19<fred>I Think is problèm whit udev in etch, but i'm a beginer iin linux world.
11:19<Maulkin>phlak: If I understand you correctly.
11:19<manphiz>rata, maybe the new ata-piix is functional now? Maybe try tweak hdX to sdX in your /etc/fstab?
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11:19<simon444>fxiny, Ken Thompson the creator of C, Unix, and Plan 9.
11:20<rata>manphiz, sorry, i dont undersand. Why would i change de hda into sda if i have no sata disk ?
11:21<fxiny>rata: i've successfully installed with no fuss a bpo .21 kernel on my PII etch ...
11:21<manphiz>rata, the new ata-piix driver merge in 2.6.20 had the name for all pata and sata drivers to sdX, although it didn't happen yet within my box...
11:22<manphiz>And I doubt if it is turned on by the current default configuration, but your case is relevant.
11:22<phlak>ok ...good bey....:)
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11:23<rata>manphiz, ohh, really ? it couldnt be risky to change hda to sda in my /etc/fstab ?
11:23<alex_>hi, how do i change the keyboard layout of a sarge box from german to english?
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11:23<alex_>through console
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11:23<manphiz>rata, it is highly risky as a matter of fact, which means a rescue cd is required :)
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11:24<fxiny>alex_: try : dpkg-reconfigure console-data
11:24<rata>manphiz, but i mean to damage fisically the disk
11:25<manphiz>rata, yea, that's bad. Have you got any older kernel installed?
11:25<rata>manphiz, 2.6.18-4 and 2.6.18-5 :-)
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11:26<manphiz>rata, well, by changing hdX to sdX, these older kernel will stop functional as well :(
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11:27<alex_>fxiny: thjanks
11:27<alex_>how do you check which process is using which port?
11:28<chealer>!tell alex_ about open ports
11:28<fxiny>alex_: np
11:30<Anon>erm, ok, google didn't give me what I was hoping for
11:30<Anon>how do I change my xorg.conf so I cna work wioth my dual monitors
11:31<Anon>I installed the latest drivers from nvidia for my card
11:32<Anon>bbl, you can always /msg me with answers
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11:43<niz-8]>I have an issue with the debian aptitude setup, can anyone help? ^^;
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11:46<Anon>what's the matter niz?
11:46<niz-8]>Well, pretty basically that I'm trying to add the FTP-sources (online) to the sources.list file.
11:47<simon444>!just ask
11:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
11:47<simon444>shit that is long....
11:47<niz-8]>^^
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11:47<niz-8]>Debian release Etch, newest ISO I could find.
11:48<jgw>When is version 4.1 being released?
11:48<JasonS>jgw: when its ready
11:48<niz-8]>I start aptitude and it tells me some error about finding a specific directory on my file system.
11:49<niz-8]>(Oh, do note, I'm not running any GUI)
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11:49<simon444>jgw, 2008>2011
11:49<simon444>niz-8], finding or not finding?
11:49<niz-8]>Hah, wait.
11:49<niz-8]>Issue solved ^^
11:49<niz-8]>apt-get update :-)
11:50<jgw>Im just doing a apt-get dist-upgrade
11:50<jgw>on the unstable version
11:51<simon444>woohoo
11:51<JasonS>jgw: on purpose?
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11:51<jgw>nope, always use unstable, I think its stable enough..... Se no issues with it
11:51<simon444>jgw, you better know what you are doing
11:52|-|oxymor00n [~sec@83-215-41-131.bruck.dyn.salzburg-online.at] has joined #debian
11:52<jgw>Always been using unstable for the past 3 years
11:52<simon444>jgw, there is no stability standard
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11:52<jgw>sorry
11:52<jgw>no issues since....
11:53<simon444>just because it is stable at one point doesn't mean there is any standard of stability
11:53<jgw>They should just freeze the unstable as it is now, and name it 4.1
11:54<simon444>jgw, no
11:54<fxiny>why ? i don't like upgrading . i like a long long cycle
11:55<fxiny>let fetora-alike upgrade at every full moon
11:55<jgw>ubuntu does it.... They just take debian unstable, freeze it, tweak it, rename it, and then sell it as ubuntu....
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11:55<jgw>And tell folk its stable...
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11:56<fxiny>ubu ? i read rhel will be on ubu with a desktop next winter
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11:57<jgw>See they should just rename ubuntu, debian unstable tweaked....
11:57<JasonS>jgw: ya sure, not
11:58<fxiny>as long as people still remeber say woody if not the latest sarge as a good release who cares about the world ?
11:58<fxiny>i do my little play with etch every day : i have plans for the next three
11:59<simon444>jgw, debian fucked editions.
11:59<simon444>-s
11:59<jgw>What does folk think of this new kde 4, i tried the alpha version, i just dont like it.....
12:01<fxiny>yesterday i was thinking if bpo will never be "quasi-official" like volatile
12:02<fxiny>on sarge i did use bpo a lot . on etch i had only a quick look at a .21 kernel
12:05<fxiny>putting too much pressure on developpers to release on schedule is not good . that's where (maybe) bpo could help (users)
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12:10<chealer>jgw: ask #debian-kde, or even better #kde
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12:16<jgw>e
12:17<jgw>sorry, just pressed the "e" key, wrong application.......
12:17<jgw>What does folk think of xfce, im starting to prefer it over kde and gnome. There is somethink I like about it, but cant really explain....
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12:18<Maulkin>jgw: I use it on all boxes. YMMV.
12:18<jgw>Whats YMMV?
12:19<jgw>"your mileage may vary" -> google search
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12:20<jgw>I have a great idea on promoting debian, why dont we turn debian into an offcial religion.....;)
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12:21<simon444>jgw, linux is already one
12:21<fxiny>that would be a regression :P
12:22<jgw>Yes emacs.....
12:22<simon444>jgw, some many idiots come to it as a religion
12:22<simon444>anyway Plan 9 is the true religion... have you ever met their worshippers?
12:22<fxiny>there is only one god : mutt !
12:22<jgw>Plan 9?
12:23<fxiny>infidel !
12:23<Ganneff>now. this channels topic is debian support, please chat about other things elsewhere, like #moocows. thanks
12:23<simon444>!tell jgw about plan 9
12:23<simon444>Ganneff, okay.
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12:24<jgw>Thanks simon, google searched it,,,,
12:25<simon444>jgw, their worshippers all have beards, no girl friends, etc. while the developers are living in paradises such as Google and Pixar... or retired.
12:26<simon444>oops not #moocows
12:26<jgw>I see that....
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12:26<Metalqga>simon find a girl
12:27<simon444>Metalqga, do you have a sister?
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12:27<Metalqga>nope
12:27<manphiz>Just found out that gnome-desktop-environment depends strictly on gnome-screensaver started from 2.18.3 instead of gnome-screensaver|xscreensaver. And since currently MPlayer cannot get gnome-screensaver turned off, it is a dilemma here. Any ideas?
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12:28<jgw>Theres also the church of emacs..... I know some one who goes to the church of emacs every sunday, they have this doll called richard stallman, they all stand around it, worshiping this guy, I have photos to prove it....
12:28<ifvoid>jgw: would please stay on-topic please?
12:28<Metalqga>apt-get install girl
12:28<Metalqga>:D
12:29<fxiny>Metalqga: hi met :)
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12:29<Metalqga>hallo
12:29<jgw>apt-get install girl
12:29<jgw>Reading package lists... Done
12:29<jgw>Building dependency tree
12:29<jgw>Reading state information... Done
12:29<jgw>E: Couldn't find package girl
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12:30<ifvoid>excellent
12:30<Metalqga>hahhaha everyone wishes it worked
12:31<fxiny>rms a doll ? nemesis strikes again !
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12:31<ifvoid>now that he's gone, can we please stop the rambling?
12:31<@Ganneff>yes. back to topic. go elsewhere for other stuff please. thx.
12:32<manphiz>Finally! Then what about my question? (just kidding :D)
12:32<ifvoid>manphiz: I don't know, really
12:32<ifvoid>you could just force-install xscreensaver
12:32<ifvoid>or file a bug against mplayer
12:33<chealer>manphiz: your question is not particularly clear.
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12:34<simon444>manphiz, file a bug.
12:34<Napalm_death>#/list
12:34<manphiz>ifvoid, had thought about filing a wishlist toward gnome, but maybe it is done by purpose?
12:34<simon444>Ganneff, Napalm_death seems bot like
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12:34<ifvoid>I'm note sure if the problem is that mplayer can't stop it, r that gnome doesn't expose a method to do so
12:34<manphiz>chealer, well, more info, g-d-e 2.14.x did depend on a either-policy
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12:36<manphiz>well, there was a discussion on the mplayer list back in 2006, which proposed a patch to deal with the dbus api which was responsible for handling gnome-screensaver, then nothing else happened that I knew...
12:37<ifvoid>I guess such a patch is needed anyway
12:37<ifvoid>because kde4 will also use dbus
12:37<manphiz>Yeah, that's a long term plan.
12:39<ifvoid>so you could try asking about it on #mplayer
12:39<ifvoid>probably on freenode or so
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12:42<chealer> /whois eddpy
12:43<chealer>sorry
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12:52<simon444>okay who thought that was funny?
12:52<simon444>to reboot my machine?
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12:57<Metalqga>are you using windows ?O:-)
12:58<fxiny>still on 95 ?
12:59[~]fxiny untar his dusty packetstorm tools collection
13:00[~]fxiny kkill gewse rwhokill smurf . but the winner is : wingatecrash !
13:02<simon444>fxiny, No, oldish unstable box
13:02<simon444>hasn't been updated in about 3 months
13:02<Metalqga>buy a new keyboard then
13:03<Metalqga>:D
13:03<simon444>hu, why?
13:03<simon444>my reboot is just fine
13:04<fxiny>simon444: fine ? your box looks like an earthquake detector :P
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13:05<simon444>wtf
13:05<chantanito>hi
13:05<simon444>I said keyboard not reboot
13:05<simon444>hi chantanito
13:05<chantanito>just one question ¿which one is the package for installing GTK+?
13:05<simon444>gtk2
13:05<chantanito>i'm compiling transmission...
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13:06<chantanito>simon444: just gtk2?
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13:09<simon444>try it
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13:11<chantanito>i just installed libgtk2.0-dev....
13:11<chantanito>ready...
13:11<chantanito>thanks...
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13:13<simon444>np
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13:32<naudiz>Anyone know of a debian package to convert mp3's to wav format ? I found one with apt-cache for mp3 to Ogg format
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13:34<chealer>naudiz: yes
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13:35<ricky>Hmm.. can sox do it?
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13:37<naudiz>chealer: what is the package ?
13:37<chealer>ricky
13:37<chealer>yes
13:38<fxiny>i have a lame answer :)
13:38<ricky>Very punny.
13:38<naudiz>chealer: so the package is sox then eh ?
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13:40<ranix>I wonder if I should install X on this
13:40<zero_>hello, i want install aero type for debian, can some body tell me one?
13:40<Zomb>wtf?
13:40<zero_>i have kde
13:40<Zomb>some windows skin?
13:40<Zomb>ah
13:40<zero_>yes
13:41<zero_>3d with move
13:41<zero_>folow mouse
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13:41<zero_>fire on firefox
13:41<naudiz>Zomb does KDE have an applet for wireless connections for laptops like Gnome does ?
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13:41<ranix>zero_, you are bending this channel with the weight of your failure
13:42<Zomb>naudiz: it is called konsole
13:42<naudiz>Zomb very funny retard
13:42<fxiny>naudiz: yes
13:42<Zomb>ROTFL
13:43<zero_>ranix, i want a name software for aero windows on debian
13:43<amphi>zero_: you probably want compiz
13:43<zero_>opa..thanks
13:44<amphi>zero_: if you mean you want a compositing window manager...
13:45<zero_>compiz is rigth =)
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13:46<amphi>zero_: it's in debian, but you might be better off building it from git
13:46<zero_>amphi, compiz install in KDE?
13:47<amphi>zero_: I believe so
13:47<zero_>=)
13:48<amphi>zero_: there are no official packages for xgl, if you need that though
13:48<zero_>i use aptitude
13:48<zero_>have there
13:48<zero_>=)
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14:02<mjk>How can I make Google Earth remember the last (or any other user defined) place I've been, and /not/ start in the U.S. after program start?
14:03<mjk>Ha! I think I finally found something ...
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14:15<simon444>mjk, set as default
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14:21<borfast>hi everyone
14:21<inonooby>hey
14:23<borfast>I'm trying to set up dovecot on Etch. I installed the deb but when I try to start the service, it fails and says "Starting mail server: dovecotFatal: listen(995) failed: Address already in use".
14:23<borfast>I used netstat -anp | grep 995 to see which process had taken port 995 and it's famd
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14:24<borfast>I suppose I need to change the port for one of the services but I have no idea how to do it or which one to change
14:24<borfast>can someone point me in the right direction, please?
14:25<inonooby>can it be that the port is blocked by iptablers
14:25<alaya>lsof -i |grep 995 to see what's on that port
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14:26<borfast>alaya, I get nothing
14:26<borfast>nothing is listed
14:27<mjk>simon444: Found the item in "View | Make this my start location".
14:27<simon444>yes
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14:29<mjk>simon444: You don't happen to know how I could change the butt-ugly fonts used for city names?
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14:29<simon444>it is some stupid ununix x standard
14:30<mjk>simon444: Hmf.
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14:33<mjk>simon444: Ha! I found it: Tools | Options | 3D View | Choose 3D Font
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14:33<simon444>that is another way
14:34<simon444>but it should be gettings it default selection from x somehow
14:34<mjk>simon444: Hm, but GE makes all fonts look bad somehow. That probably due to transparency etc.
14:35<alaya>borfast: use netcat or other tool to test if port is available
14:37<mjk>simon444: With size "28", "Bitstream Vera Sans" is perfectly readable, hooray!
14:37<borfast>alaya, I get connection refused
14:38<alaya>behind a router or firewall?
14:38<borfast>no, firewall deactivated
14:38<borfast>it's famd
14:38<borfast>it's occupying the port
14:39<borfast>I just stopped the service and dovecot starts just fine
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14:39<borfast>but I still get connection refused... strange... :|
14:40<borfast>even though dovecot is running, I get connection refused
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14:40<alaya>set up dovecot correctly including auth settings
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14:41<alaya>i think it defaults to using passwd db and local user accounts
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14:42<borfast>it's set up to use PAM
14:43<alaya>yep
14:43<borfast>but I don't think I'm not even reaching it, I used "netcat host 995" and I get connection refused :\
14:43<ranix>hm. I am finding that, with the exception of web browsing and image viewing, I do not need a window system for anything
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14:45<borfast>even worst: if I change dovecot's config for not using SSL, it starts fine (port 995 is for POP3s), even with pamd running but I still can't reach the POP3 or IMAP server...
14:46<borfast>oh, wait, dovecot starts but fails right after! gotta check what's wrong...
14:47<ranix>try running the executable manually so you get the full output
14:47<borfast>ranix, thanks, will give it a try
14:47<borfast>lol
14:47<borfast>Error: Can't open configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf: Permission denied
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14:48<borfast>now why the heck it doesn't have permissions to open it, I have no idea...
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14:52<borfast>I don't get it... why is it that dovecot doesn't have permissions to read its own configuration file
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14:54<dondelelcaro>borfast: because you've changed them, typically.
14:54<ranix>who owns it and what are the permissions
14:54<borfast>ranix, root.root, +rw for owner, nothing for the rest
14:55<dondelelcaro>borfast: and dovecot should be starting up as root, and then running as some other user
14:55<ranix>is dovecot running as its own user, or is it starting as root
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14:55<ranix>borfast: can you /etc/init.d/dovecot as a non-root user?
14:56<dondelelcaro>borfast: having the configuration files 0600 root:root is normal.
14:56<dondelelcaro>ranix: no, you cannot run it as a non-root user.
14:56<borfast>dondelelcaro and ranix, that's what I was trying to figure out right now: how do I see which iser dovecot is starting as?
14:56<borfast>ranix, I can try...
14:56<dondelelcaro>borfast: it starts as root, then su's to dovecot for the children that actually do things.
14:56<dondelelcaro>borfast: what is complaining that it can't read the configuration file?
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14:57<ranix>dondelelcaro: he tried to run dovecot manually
14:57<ranix>borfast: did you try to run it manually as a non-root user?
14:57<zero_>i install kde on debian, i want to change the language, i want put kde-il8n-ptbr as default, how can i do?
14:57<borfast>ranix, no, can't start it either from a non-root user account. it says permission denied.
14:57<dondelelcaro>borfast: you have to start it as root.
14:58<borfast>dondelelcaro, if I try to start it with sudo /usr/sbin/dovecot it complains that it doesn't have permissions to read it's configuration file
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14:58<dondelelcaro>borfast: you don't start it that way.
14:59<dondelelcaro>borfast: you start it with the init.d script.
14:59<zero_>some budy can help me?
14:59<zero_>i install kde on debian, i want to change the language, i want put kde-il8n-ptbr as default, how can i do?
14:59<borfast>dondelelcaro, "sudo /etc/init.d/dovecot start" doesn't complain but dovecot still bails out
14:59<ifvoid|0234215>zero_: just change it in the contorl panel
15:00<dondelelcaro>borfast: which version of dovecot are you running? give us the output of /var/log/mail.err, the output of the command, and the output of ls -al /etc/dovecot
15:00<zero_>how can i open control panel?
15:01<zero_>lol
15:01<formorer>I know that there is a problem with the sieve plugin which gots executed as the user who gets mail
15:01<borfast>ah, hold on, I was wrong about something: it was complaining about not having permissions to read the config file because I forgot sudo and was trying to run it as a regular user!...
15:01<zero_>ifvoid|0234215, how can i open control panel?
15:02<ifvoid|0234215>should be in the manu somewhere
15:02<borfast>dondelelcaro, dovecot-1.0.rc15-2
15:03<alex_>offtopic: whats a good flash editor?
15:03<borfast>dondelelcaro, should I paste mail.err content here?
15:03<Supaplex>borfast: http://rafb.net/paste
15:04<borfast>Supaplex, thanks :)
15:04<zero_>ifvoid|0234215, thanks!
15:04<dondelelcaro>borfast: if it's still failing, yes
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15:05<borfast>dondelelcaro, yes, it's still failing. mail.err -> http://rafb.net/p/M8KX8335.html
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15:06<borfast>dondelelcaro, output of ls -la /etc/dovecot -> http://rafb.net/p/QX12ve16.html
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15:07<borfast>dondelelcaro, the command (sudo /etc/init.d/dovecot start) doesn't output anything except for "Starting mail server: dovecot." but then I check and dovecot is not running
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15:09<dondelelcaro>borfast: and you have dovecot-imapd and/or dovecot-pop3d installed?
15:09<borfast>yes, I have both
15:09<dondelelcaro>borfast: if you're not sure what is happening, add a set -x to the top of the dovecot init script, and run it.
15:10<dondelelcaro>(though the fact that it sais dovecot. means that it started dovecot, and your problem should be explained in mail.err)
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15:10<dondelelcaro>(or wherever you happening to be logging dovecot's output to)
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15:11<alex_>how do you check which process is using which port?
15:11<alex_>opps
15:11<alex_>offtopic: whats a good flash editor?
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15:12<billy>Hello everyone! I have the oddest of problems today. Debian Etch server running proftpd. All of my users (except me 'billy') get access denied when login FTP. Also, I tried SFTP thru the SSH port and every user can login, but the /home/ directory appears empty to them. They get access denied error when trying to chdir to their home dir. It is odest of things as chmod and chown are set correctly :-?
15:12<borfast>Auth process died too early - shutting down
15:12<borfast>auth(default): APOP mechanism can't be supported with given passdbs
15:12<borfast>child 1736 (auth) returned error 89
15:12<borfast>Temporary failure in creating login processes, slowing down for now
15:12<alex_>billy: virtual user config not set
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15:12<borfast>that's basically what mail.err says
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15:12<billy>alex_ ?
15:13<billy>I've never heard of that and I've never had to set that in the past 5 years... why all of a sudden?
15:13<alex_>billy: are the users, virtual user or users that have actual accounts on the computer too
15:13<billy>they have actual accounts
15:13<borfast>ah! got it!
15:13<borfast>dondelelcaro, I removed APOP from the possible login methods list and now it works
15:14<alex_>billy: oh ok, iwas thinking in a virtual user sense
15:14[~]borfast feels kind of dumb for reading it and not figuring it out immediatelly...
15:14<alex_>billy: um
15:15<billy>odd, isn't it?
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15:16<billy>i have been pulling my hair for the past 4 horus trying to figure this out
15:16<alex_>restarted the service?
15:16<alex_>:)
15:16<billy>done that
15:16<alex_>heh
15:16<borfast>beautiful, it's working like a charm! :)
15:16<billy>i even purged it and reinstalled from scratch
15:16<alex_>adduser a new user
15:16<billy>same thing
15:16<alex_>and see if that works
15:16<billy>i've added new users
15:16<alex_>no work?
15:16<billy>i;ve even deleted one of them and re-added them
15:16<Jobbe>hello.. i have a problem on my debian server.. i can't mount my intern hard disk
15:16<petemc>billy: how are you adding users?
15:16<billy>nothing is working
15:17<billy>"adduser username"
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15:17<billy>check this out:
15:17<billy>Could not chdir to home directory /home/poyzin: Permission denied
15:17<billy>-bash: /home/poyzin/.bash_profile: Permission denied
15:17<billy>all my users see that when doing a real SSH connection
15:18<billy>but the perms are correct
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15:18<alex_>!paste
15:18<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
15:18<alex_>billy: is a ls -la on the /home and paste there
15:18<borfast>thanks, don_inlab and ranix! :)
15:18<borfast>oops!
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15:18<borfast>sorry, I meant dondelelcaro, not don_inlab :)
15:18<billy>its big - so i'll paste a little of it
15:19<alex_>also paste here what your /home permissions are
15:19<billy>drwxrwxr-- 30 billy www-data 4096 2007-08-02 20:03 billy
15:19<billy>drwxrwxr-- 11 ian ian 4096 2007-04-14 19:19 ian
15:19<billy>drwxrwxr-- 19 odin odin 4096 2007-04-14 19:17 odin
15:20<billy>drwxrwxr-- 18 billy www-data 4096 2007-08-04 14:34 home
15:20<Jobbe>anyone that can help me with a hard disk problem?
15:20<alex_>billy:
15:20<billy>that's prolly my problem right there - the /home dir's perms
15:20<billy>what should they be by default?
15:20<alex_>set it too 777
15:21<alex_>and test
15:21<alex_>if it works then you can refine it
15:21<billy>rwxrwsr-x
15:21<billy>what is that?
15:21<billy>765?
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15:21<alex_>yeah somethnig like that - you can google for a calulator
15:22<alex_>on that stuff
15:22<Anon>what's the problem jobbe?
15:22<alex_>jobbe:
15:22<alex_>!ask
15:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
15:22<billy>YAY!
15:22<billy>fixed!
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15:22<billy>thanks alex_ !!
15:22<billy>you are a life saver :)
15:22<alex_>billy: :D
15:23<Jobbe>okay dpkg
15:23<alex_>billy: 777 isnt safe - refine it now - you definatly dont want the last W on there
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15:24<billy>i have it 765
15:24<alex_>still working?
15:24<kop>billy : Also, I prefer to set my gid bit on /home, and on all the user's home directories.
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15:25<alex_>billy: yeah me too
15:25<billy>gid bit?
15:25<alex_>group
15:25<billy>ah
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15:25<alex_>xrwxr-- 11 ian usergroup 4096 2007-04
15:25<alex_>etc
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15:26<alex_>allows you to do other things if needed
15:26<alex_>billy: whatcha hosting?
15:26<kop>billy : It's an old idiom that let's user's share stuff just by changing the group ownership of the files/dirs to be shared.
15:26<Jobbe>I need help with my hard disk(s) i have a fresh install of debian etch when i try to open a hard disk i get this:
15:26<Jobbe>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error
15:26<Jobbe>but dbuserror was not set.
15:26<alex_>billy: is 765 working fine?
15:26<Jobbe>process 7377: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
15:26<Jobbe>error: device /dev/hdd5 is not removable
15:26<Jobbe>error: could not execute pmount
15:26<billy>765 works great
15:26<billy>everything works, ftp, sftp, ssh...
15:26<alex_>Jobbe: !paste\
15:26<alex_>Jobbe: !paste
15:26<alex_>!paste
15:26<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
15:27<Jobbe>ok
15:27<alex_>billy: great to hear, what are you hosting?
15:27<kop>Jobbe : What do you mean "open"? (Once you paste.)
15:27<billy>websites
15:27<alex_>billy: you use any control panel software?
15:28<billy>no - i hate control panels
15:28<billy>i give my clients full ssh
15:28<alex_>cool, like everything by hand ?
15:28<billy>ftp, sftp
15:28<ranix>are you doing virtual servers to sandbox?
15:28<alex_>billy: ah ok
15:28<alex_>billy: whats your website url?
15:28<billy>i dont have one
15:28<billy>lol
15:28<alex_>billy: how do you get your customers? :P
15:28<billy>my clients are close to me
15:29<billy>friends, family, people i chat with for a long time
15:29<billy>etc
15:29<alex_>cool
15:29<billy>i dont give out this kind of access to just anyone
15:29<billy>lol
15:29<alex_>yeah lol
15:29<alex_>nor would i
15:29<ranix>I used to know a guy who did that
15:29<billy>aight - i'm out - loads of work to do, not near enough time to do it in - thanks again alex_ !!
15:30<ranix>we kind of stopped talking after awhile though, so I don't know why he stopped
15:30<alex_>billy: pm
15:30<alex_>ranix: im about to startup a full ssh hosting
15:30<repair-man>?
15:30<ranix>alex_: good luck. You think it'll bring in any cash?
15:31<ranix>or are you doing it as a hobby
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15:31<Jobbe>Now i try again.. I need help with my hard disk(s) i have a fresh install of debian etch when i try to open a hard disk i get this http://jobbe.frac.dk/help.png - PLEASE HELP !!!
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15:31<alex_>ranix: hobby then cash
15:32<alex_>ranix: i need a few helping hands on it tho
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15:32<ranix>I'll probably go into that, but it's tough to actually get a good connection
15:32<shawn_home>Question: Which package contains static ln (sln) (Emergency link)?
15:32<alex_>hosting?
15:33<alex_>!bs
15:33<dpkg>i heard bs is Bullshit. Bahamas, or an annoying pain in the ass, so be smart: /ignore bs
15:33<ranix>Yeah. I might do it as a side project for a shop
15:33<kop>Jobbe : that's a hard drive?
15:33<alex_>whats the keyworld for build essentals?
15:33<Jobbe>hard disk
15:33<shawn_home>!sln
15:33<Jobbe>yep
15:33<kop>shawn_home : Dunno. There's always busybox.
15:33<shawn_home>true.
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15:34<alex_>Jobbe: try mounting manually through terminal
15:34<kop>Jobbe : I'm a bit clueless when it comes to kde....
15:34<alex_>shawn_home: apt-get install build-esstentials
15:34<Jobbe>alex:how?
15:34<alex_>(spelling)
15:34<ranix>what does kde have to do with hard drives
15:34<alex_>Jobbe: what format is the disk?
15:34<Jobbe>fat32 and fat16
15:34<kop>Jobbe : Start by opening one of those terminal windows. Are you new to Linux?
15:35<Jobbe>a little
15:35<alex_>ranix: pm
15:35<ranix>?
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15:35<Jobbe>i have used ubuntu but i changed to debian
15:35<Jobbe>cos i lite it better than ubutu
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15:35<kop>Jobbe : Have a terminal open?
15:36<Jobbe>yep root
15:36<kop>Jobbe : And if you type "mount", the partition you want it not mounted?
15:36<Jobbe>i try now
15:37<kop>Jobbe : ("is not mounted" I mean.)
15:37<Jobbe>it cant find the partitions
15:38<kop>Jobbe : It shows you some output, but the partition/filesystem you want is not there. Right?
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15:38<Jobbe>i can see my hdd but i cant see where it is like /dev/hda1
15:39<Jobbe>and yes it shows some output
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15:39<kop>Jobbe : What partition has the filesystem you want?
15:40<raoni>what use for my ipod in debian?
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15:40<Anon>external hdd?
15:40<Jobbe>well my "8.4 arkiv" fat32 i think
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15:42<Jobbe>kop: this is the output i get http://jobbe.frac.dk/output.png
15:43<kop>Jobbe : We need to know which partition on which drive (or if it's a network drive or something). Can you paste the output of "sfdisk -l"? (You may need to do "aptitude install util-linux" if sfdisk is not installed.)
15:44<kop>Jobbe : The pngs are kind of a pain, could you please cut and paste somewhere instead?
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15:44<Jobbe>i will give it a try
15:46<Jobbe>hop: here is the output of sfdisk http://jobbe.frac.dk/sfdisk.txt
15:46<kop>Jobbe : I assume the fat32 filesystem you want to get to is on a hard drive that's in your system, right?
15:46<toolman667>I just installed a Netgear GA311 Gigabit network card on a pretty clean debian4 box, and when the kernel first loads, it detects the hardware as a RTL-8169, and loads the r8169 module, and it claims it as eth0. When you try to use ifconfig to bring up the interface, it says no such device. When I remove the kernel module, and modprobe it manually, I can bring up the interface no problem, anyone know what could be causing this?
15:46<kop>Jobbe : Thanks. that's better.
15:48<kop>toolman667 : Sounds like it could be a udev "z25" problem. Do a "locate z25" to find the "persistant" file that keeps track of which mac address has what name and take a look in there. Also "ifconfig -a" may show the device, yes?
15:48<ifvoid>toolman667: are you sure it is eth0?
15:48<Jobbe>kop: i hope you can understand some of the text in my document cos it's not english hehe...
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15:50<kop>Jobbe : There's probably a channel for your language.... Anynow. Which partition do you want? /dev/hdd1? /dev/hdd5? /dev/hdb1?
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15:50<Jobbe>all
15:50<Jobbe>well let's take /dev/hdb1
15:51<kop>Jobbe : Let's do one at a time. We'll also need the contents of your /etc/fstab file. type "cat /etc/fstab" and paste that somewhere.
15:51<simonrvn>not here ;)
15:52<kop>simonrvn : (We've been through that!)
15:52<Jobbe>kop: there you go http://jobbe.frac.dk/cat.txt
15:52<toolman667>ifvoid: well actually its weird, it originally detects it as eth0, then my other Rhine-III is detected as eth1, then it brings up that interface just fine, but its eth0.
15:52<toolman667>ifvoid: then when I rmmod r8169, and modprobe it again, it brings it back as eth1
15:53<ifvoid>some kind opf udev maddnedd indeed
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15:53<ifvoid>try taking a look at the file kop suggested
15:53<kop>toolman667 : Sounds z25 related. (But I forget the exact path, you'll have to locate it yourself.)
15:53<toolman667>for sure. thank you
15:53<ifvoid>/etc/udev/something
15:53<toolman667>ya thats fine, that more of a direction than I had before.
15:53<Jobbe>kop: there you go http://jobbe.frac.dk/cat.txt
15:54<kop>Jobbe : Yup. The /etc/fstab file is the record of what should be mounted where, when.
15:54<kop>Jobbe : So, we need to fix it. You know how to use a text editor of some kind?
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15:54<Jobbe>yep
15:55<Jobbe>im a windows geek so i should know that
15:55<toolman667>its /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .... should I remove the cards (rules) i no longer have in there ?
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15:55<kop>Jobbe : (It also wouldn't hurt for you to read the fstab man page.) Lessee....
15:55<Jobbe>kop ok
15:56<Jobbe>kop shall i read it now?
15:56<kop>Jobbe : The debian place to put mounted filesystems is /media/ for removable media. I'm not sure where to put other stuff. I suggest we use /srv/. Anybody have a better idea?
15:56<kop>Jobbe : Nah. We'll just tell you. You can read it as we go if we're slow.
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15:57<Jobbe>okay
15:57<ifvoid>kop: I use /mnt/foo
15:57<kop>Jobbe : (the other thing to read is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard.)
15:57<ifvoid>but you can put it anywhere you like
15:57<Jobbe>kop ca you write pm to me so i can save out chat
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15:57<Jobbe>so i can use it later if i get problems
15:58<kop>Jobbe : I'm kinda IRC clueless. But, If you're using linux you can use the "script" program to save everything that comes up on the screen. Start your IRC session after using script.
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15:58<Jobbe>ok.. but i use mIRC usine wine
15:58<ifvoid>Jobbe: uihm
15:58<ifvoid>_why_?!
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15:59<ifvoid>it's not like there are no decent iurc client for linux
15:59<Jobbe>ifvoid: i dont know a irc program for linux
15:59<Jobbe>ifvoid: and i like mIRC
15:59<kop>Jobbe : I can't recommend a Linux irc program. I'm kinda clueless. I use bitchx but somebody had a better suggestion the other day. "irc" is kinda lame.
15:59<ifvoid>Jobbe: apt-cache search irc
16:00<Jobbe>pl
16:00<Jobbe>ok
16:00<ifvoid>irssi, or xchat if you like a gui
16:00<Jobbe>kop can you help me out with my hdd
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16:00<kop>Jobbe : Ready to start?
16:00<Jobbe>yep
16:00<Jobbe>always
16:00<kop>ifvoid : irssi. I need to remember that.
16:01<Jobbe>kop u have msn?
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16:01<kop>Jobbe: Let's put it in /srv/ That's the "standard" place, if you're planning on permanently keeping these mounted.
16:02<Jobbe>ok
16:02<kop>Jobbe : /mnt is more for temporarly stuff.
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16:02<Jobbe>my hdd is inside my computer so they should be mounted permanent
16:02<Jobbe>ok
16:02<kop>Jobbe : So, make a directory in /srv/ for your fs. "mkdir /srv/foo". What is it?
16:03<Jobbe>2 sec i will log in as root
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16:03<Jobbe>kop can i use mkdir/hdd/?
16:03<Jobbe>i mean /srv/hdd
16:04<kop>Jobbe : You can call it anything. But /dev/hdd is the _entire_ drive. You probably want hdd1.
16:04<Jobbe>ok
16:04<kop>Jobbe : A more user friendly name would not be bad. But whatever you want.
16:05<Jobbe>ok i made /srv/hdd1
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16:06<kop>Jobbe : Now we'll test. "mount -t fat32 /dev/hdd1 /srv/hdd1"
16:06<Jobbe>k
16:06<kop>Jobbe: Oops. It might be vfat, not fat32. I forget.
16:07<Jobbe>unknown filesystem fat32 and vfat32
16:07<kop>Jobbe : Just "vfat", not vfat32.
16:07<Jobbe>ok
16:08<Jobbe>wee mounted :D
16:08<Jobbe>what now?
16:08<kop>Jobbe : ls /srv/hdd1
16:08<kop>Jobbe : ls -lh /srv/hdd1
16:08<kop>Jobbe : (or to see the whole thing (!) ls -lRh /srv/hdd1)
16:09<kop>Jobbe : look good?
16:09<Jobbe>what does that do?
16:09<kop>Jobbe : ls is like dir in dos.
16:09<Jobbe>ok
16:09<Jobbe>well i see my hdd now and i can enter et
16:09<Jobbe>it
16:09<kop>Jobbe : Now, we take it away. And then have it mount on boot.
16:10<kop>Jobbe : umount /srv/hdd1
16:10<Jobbe>unmount command not found :S
16:10<Jobbe>hah it cant unmount
16:11<kop>Jobbe : Not unmount, umount.
16:11<Jobbe>ah
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16:11<Jobbe>done
16:11<Jobbe>it not mounted
16:11<kop>Jobbe : Then in /etc/fstab put a line like: /dev/hdd1 /srv/hdd1 vfat defaults 0 0
16:11<Jobbe>ok
16:12<kop>Jobbe : Spaces don't matter. (This is where you check back later after reading "man fstab".)
16:12<Jobbe>ok
16:12<kop>Jobbe : Now, "mount /srv/hdd1".
16:12<Jobbe>ok done
16:12<Jobbe>or allmost
16:12<kop>Jobbe : Should be mounted. "mount" should say it is.
16:14<Jobbe>2 sec i need to grant right to the file 2 serc
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16:14<kop>Jobbe : (? Only root should be able to change /etc/fstab.)
16:14<Jobbe>ok
16:15<Jobbe>well then i need to login as root
16:15<kop>Jobbe : You know about "su -"?
16:15<Jobbe>nope i just use the root terminal
16:15<kop>Jobbe : either way.
16:15<Jobbe>ok
16:15<kop>Jobbe : All is good?
16:16<Jobbe>2 sec
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16:17<kop>Jobbe : The other filesystems are setup the same way. Only one of them is fat16, which means you use "msdos" to note the filesystem type. (See: man mount)
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16:17<Jobbe>all good
16:17<Jobbe>ok
16:18<Jobbe>all good now
16:18<kop>Jobbe : "default" means "mount on boot" among other things. But to test, you'd want to reboot to see that it really works.
16:19<Jobbe>ok
16:19<Jobbe>well now i can acces my 18 gb music libary again
16:19<Jobbe>thanks alot for your help
16:19<Jobbe>now can you help me with another problem?
16:19<kop>Jobbe : (But I don't know how the "drives" got on the kde desktop. I wouldn't be sure how to figure that one out.)
16:20<kop>Jobbe : Maybe. Ask the channel.
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16:20<Jobbe>ok
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16:20<Jobbe>well i will contact you in 10-15 min cos i need to be finish with my hdd's first
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16:21<kop>Jobbe : vfat and fat16 are not all that "secure" filesystems. They corrupt. If you're sharing with windows converting to ntfs might be better. You'd have to format a new partiton and copy.
16:21<Jobbe>i know
16:21<kop>Jobbe : Or, even better, if you're not dual booting then put them in ext3 and use samba to deliver the data to other computers on the lan.
16:22<Jobbe>i only use debian
16:22<Jobbe>i dont wanna use windows
16:22<kop>Jobbe : You'll want to look up lvm. It's really handy.
16:22<Jobbe>now my last hdd
16:22<kop>Jobbe : Gotta go. Bye.
16:22<Jobbe>kop ok
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16:32<Jobbe>how do i set up a remote desktop?
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16:32<Jobbe>how do i set up a remote desktop? i use debian etch on my server and my laptop
16:33<Jobbe>kop: u stil there?
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16:34<chealer>Jobbe: set up a VNC server.
16:34<Jobbe>ok
16:34<Jobbe>how?
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16:35<chealer>Jobbe: choose a VNC server, install it and set it up.
16:35<Jobbe>ok
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16:36<version2>Where are hard drives mounted in debian?
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16:37<petemc_>mount will show currently mounted partitions, other than that, /media/ or /mnt/ , or whereever you tell debian to mount them
16:37<dondelelcaro>version2: where they're told to be mounted
16:37<version2>hm
16:37<dondelelcaro>version2: please do not /msg me
16:37<chealer>version2: "hard drives" are not mounted; file systems are mounted in different points.
16:37<streuner_>!guidelines
16:37<dpkg>1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam.
16:37<version2>yeah, I realized that.
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16:40<Jobbe>anyone know a good VNC server?
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16:40<barros>oi tudo bem?
16:41<barros>meu msn é ese que padssei
16:41<kop>Jobbe : The thing about a vnc server is that it allows your desktop to "transfer" from machine to machine while logged in.
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16:41<barros>eai blz?
16:41<ifvoid>english please
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16:41<kop>Jobbe : Otherwise, the thing to do is enable X so that xdm, kdm, gdm, allows login over the network.
16:42<Jobbe>ok
16:42<kop>Jobbe : Note that neither vnc or X is secure. You have to trust the people on the LAN.
16:42<Jobbe>kop u have msn?
16:42<Jobbe>ok
16:42<kop>Jobbe : Nope.
16:42<Jobbe>ok
16:42<kop>Jobbe : There's ways to secure either.
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16:42<Jobbe>ok
16:43<Jobbe>kop i cant write to anything to my hdd only read but root can write how do i do so my "normal" user can write?
16:44<kop>Jobbe : There's a "mount" option. "man mount". you'd put it in /etc/fstab after default (maybe: default,user)?
16:44<ifvoid>Jobbe: add uid=1000 to the line in fstab
16:45<Jobbe>ok
16:45<ifvoid>or another number, whatever your uid is (check with id)
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16:45<kop>Jobbe : Whether you use "user or uid=xxx" depends on whether anybody or just one user is allowed access.
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16:46<Jobbe>i only have root and my other user
16:46<kop>Jobbe : Your choice.
16:47<ifvoid>kop: user is useless in this case
16:47<ifvoid>that only works when teh thing is mounted manually
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16:48<Jobbe>ifvoid: like this? /dev/hdb1 /srv/hdb1 vfat defaults uid=1000 0 0
16:48<kop>ifvoid : I see. "user" means something special in fstab.
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16:48<kop>Jobbe : You need a comma between defaults and uid I think.
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16:48<Jobbe>ifvoid: like this? /dev/hdb1 /srv/hdb1 vfat defaults, uid=1000 0 0
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16:48<ifvoid>Jobbe: yes
16:48<kop>Jobbe : And no space. (I've never used a space.)
16:48<Jobbe>just to seperate for you
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16:49<Sunford>Ïðèâåò âñåì çäåñü ïî ðóñêè êòî òî ãîâîðèò ?
16:49<Jobbe>øæåøæåæøåæøåæøæåæøåæ
16:49<Sunford>))
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16:49<Jobbe>how can i tjeck my userid?
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16:50<Jobbe>ahh users and groups hehe
16:50<kop>Jobbe : id
16:51<Jobbe>and now a reboot
16:52<Sunford>Ó ìåíÿ òóò ïðîáëåìêà îäíà ... âïåðâûå óñòàíîâèë äåáèàí íà êîìï (2 ãÃö) íî âèäåîêàðòà ó ìåíÿ 2Ìá òåïåðü ñèñòåìà çàãðóæàåòñÿ à ÿ íè÷åãî íå âèæó... ïîäñêàæûòå ïëç
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16:53<Sunford>ëàäíî ïîïðîáóþ ïî àíãëèéñêè)
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16:53<streuner_>Sunford: that looks ugly, just use a normal charset
16:54<lupine_85>Sunford: I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter
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16:54<jobbe^>im back
16:55<jobbe^>damn
16:55<jobbe^>my hdd is not mounted
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16:56<jobbe^>can i make a script that will mount my hdd?
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16:56<BoBoBoSs>hy
16:57<BoBoBoSs>how install flash on my debian ?
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16:57<alaya>Jobbe: man fstab
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16:57<jobbe^>ok
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16:58<chealer>!tell BoBoBoSs about flash
16:58<BoBoBoSs>txs
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16:59<jlima>the flash player or flash development tool?
16:59<BoBoBoSs>flash player
17:00<BoBoBoSs>and flash development tool
17:00<BoBoBoSs>:))
17:00<jlima>in my case i use automatix
17:00<jlima>in my opinion is the best way to install them
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17:00<jlima>the development tool dont have a version for linux, you have to use wine
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17:02<Sunford>Hello I have such problem I have install debian on kompyuter with 2 Mb Video memory and when I load the system I see nothing, please tell me what can I do? (sorry for bad english)
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17:04<chealer>Sunford: you saw something during the installation, but when you try to boot the installed system you see nothing?
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17:06<Sunford>yes
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17:07<Sunford>I have install web server, but I can't connect to ssh fron another computer
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17:08<chealer>Sunford: did you install X (or a desktop environment)?
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17:12<Sunford>debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso installed from this
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17:13<Sunford>installed in expert mode
17:13<chealer>Sunford: that doesn't answer my question, you can install or not X with that iso.
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17:15<Sunford>with X
17:16<chealer>Sunford: and you see nothing both before and after X starts?
17:17<version2>Would anyone like to help me? I have an NTFS external drive attached to my Debian server, so that I can copy several GB of files to /var/www.
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17:17<version2>I've installed ntfs-3g, and I can now access the drive. However, I'm having issues copying the files over.
17:17<version2>I entered the following: cp "BCFFC 2005" /var/www/bcffc/, and I get "cp: omitting directory BCFFC 2005"
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17:17<Sunford>my video card is old and no high resolutions
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17:18<tcsetattr>cp -r for recursive copy
17:18<jobbe^>i have a pcmcia wlan network card from digitus type dn-7041 with ralink chipset.. anyone know where i can find some drivers?
17:19<version2>tcsetattr: I thought it was recursive by default. Ah, well. It seems to be doing something now. This'll take awhile (12Gb over USB 1.0)
17:20<version2>tcsetattr: thanks.
17:20<N3xtGeN>jobbe^: just look around with google ;-)
17:20<N3xtGeN>jobbe^: It worked for me
17:20<N3xtGeN>for my pcmcia from Linksys
17:21<N3xtGeN>Can somebody please help me with my problem? I`m new to linux, so I haven`t enough experience to know what`s going on...
17:21<N3xtGeN>I installed fresh copy of Debian few moments ago from netinst CD on USD HDD
17:21<N3xtGeN>When Installer asked about installing grub automaticaly I reject, because It was going to include option of booting to Win XP on one of my HDD, but I`m going to have my USB HDD to be portable and don`t want to have useless option of booting in boot menu
17:21<N3xtGeN> and also grub was going to rewrite my original bootloader of windows on normal HDD
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17:21<N3xtGeN> I choosed manual installation of grub and wrote it to /dev/sda
17:21<N3xtGeN>When I booted from USB now, I`ve got to grub but without any options and waiting prompt
17:21<N3xtGeN>what am I supposed to do if I want to boot system from /dev/sda1 ???
17:22<N3xtGeN>oh come`on!!! anybody who`s kind hearted in here???
17:22<N3xtGeN>forget the last line :-D
17:22<jobbe^>n3xtgen i have tried goodle but ended up with confusion
17:22<jobbe^>so once again i have a pcmcia wlan network card from digitus type dn-7041 with ralink chipset.. anyone know where i can find some drivers?
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17:23<version2>n3xtgen: just fyi, you can edit the grub menus in /boot, I believe.
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17:24<N3xtGeN>version2: i didn`t loaded system yet
17:24<chealer>jobbe^: which Ralink chipset?
17:24<version2>n3xtgen: Yeah, got that. But "When Installer asked about installing grub automaticaly I reject, because It was going to include option of booting to Win XP on one of my HDD"
17:24<N3xtGeN>I must start it with GRUB but I don`ŧ know any commads for it
17:24<jobbe^>i think it is x61 or something
17:25<jobbe^>chealer: rt2x00
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17:26<jobbe^>chealer: but im not sure
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17:29<chealer>jobbe^: rt61? if you're not sure, start by making sure.
17:30<jobbe^>chealer: http://www.pctronix.co.nz/product_info.php?cPath=47_81&products_id=12042
17:30<jobbe^>chealer im trying to find info for my product
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17:33<N3xtGeN>version2: what have you got?? :-D
17:33<jobbe^>chealer: i can find this http://www.digitus.info/scripts/digdetail.asp?artnr=DN%2D7041&grafik=0
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17:34<chealer>jobbe^: "Ralink" is not precise, but it should be supported by rt2x00, which you can find in Debian stable or unstable.
17:35<chealer>bbl
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17:35<jobbe^>well i know
17:35<jobbe^>i got thi device working in ubuntu
17:35<jobbe^>and some guy in their forum said that i should use something with 61
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17:38<jobbe^>chealer i found my chipset
17:38<jobbe^>type: DN-7041
17:38<jobbe^>chipset: RT2600
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17:38<jobbe^>cut'n'past ubuntu Make sure you only have one of the drivers loaded, you will need either the rt61 driver( old) or the rt2x00 drivers (AKA serialmonkey).
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17:39<N3xtGeN>once again: please, how can I load the system from /dev/sda1 with Grub loader??? What commands am I supposed to enter to do so? I believe that it`s really simple to answer :-)
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17:41<version2>all I know about grub is it's menu file, where you can add drives and partitions to boot from.
17:41<version2>Sorry.
17:42<N3xtGeN>I know thanks, but i can`t edit the file coz I still haven`t got to the linux, I`m just running Grub now
17:42<lupine_85>N3xtGeN: edit an existing menu entry to point to the right kernel
17:42<lupine_85>e.g. kenel (hd0,0)
17:42<lupine_85>whoops
17:43<N3xtGeN>lupine_85: can I PM you? looks that you know something about it
17:43<lupine_85>nah, on channel is fine
17:43<lupine_85>The line you're interested in will look a bit like: kernel /boot//vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/<something> ro
17:43<N3xtGeN>ok, so situation= I have no entries in grub loader now
17:44<N3xtGeN>i just see "grub> "
17:44<lupine_85>heh; none at all? cool
17:44<lupine_85>ok, first you need to work out what grub calls sda
17:44<lupine_85>erm, sda1
17:44<lupine_85>how many other hard drives are in the system?
17:44<@Ganneff>maybe a 0byte menu.lst. removing it and update-grub should give a default back.
17:45<jobbe^>so once again i have a pcmcia wlan network card from digitus type dn-7041 with ralink chipset RT2600 .. anyone know where i can find some drivers?
17:46<lupine_85>jobbe^: rt2x00.serialmonkey.com
17:46<lupine_85>RT61 == RT2600 IIRC
17:46<jobbe^>k
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17:46<N3xtGeN>it`s ok i know that the USD HDD is sda
17:46<N3xtGeN>the mount point "/" is on sda1 and swap is sda2
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17:47<lupine_85>whoops
17:47<N3xtGeN>thanks for coming back :-D
17:48<jobbe^>lipine:85 can i use this u think? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT61
17:48<N3xtGeN>I see waiting prompt with "grub> " in front of me for 30 minutes yet :-D
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17:49<jobbe^>lupine:85 can i use this u think? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT61
17:49<chuy>does network manager applet reads interfaces data from /etc/interfaces?
17:49<ifvoid>iirc, no
17:49<lupine_85>N3xtGeN: anyway, once you've worked out what grub calls your drive, it's easy. Type: "root (your drive - looks like (hd0,0))" then "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-(kernel-version) root=/dev/sda1 ro" then "initrd /boot/initrd.img-(version)" then "boot"
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17:49<jobbe^>ok
17:49<lupine_85>N3xtGeN: grub has tab completion, don't fforget!
17:49<N3xtGeN>jobbe^: in my case I had to try many drivers to get my card working, just try
17:49<lupine_85>jobbe^: one second
17:49<lupine_85>jobbe^: you could, but I don't recommend it
17:50<jobbe^>ok
17:50<lupine_85>use the drivers on the rt2x00 site - they're more up to date
17:50<jobbe^>ok
17:50<lupine_85>and, you know, they actually work
17:50<chuy>ifvoid, ok, I'll be removing then interfaces from interfaces file, it's so annoying my system takes so much time to boot just because it tries to grab a lease
17:50<lupine_85>here's a question - how do I find out what names alsa has given to my sound cards?
17:51<jobbe^>ok can you give me a direct link to the install guide?
17:51<lupine_85>in a form appropriate for feeding into an app (amarok) that takes said names
17:51<ifvoid>cat /proc/asound/cards
17:51<lupine_85>jobbe^: there likely isn't one, as such
17:51<lupine_85>thanks ifvoid
17:51<jobbe^>ok
17:51<ifvoid>although amarok takes device names, not card names
17:51<lupine_85>humm. would that be like "CMI8738MC6" ?
17:51<ifvoid>nee
17:52<ifvoid>it would be something like "hw0,0"
17:52<lupine_85>ah, cool. thanks
17:52<jobbe^>dammit... Coming Soon - rt2x00 Installation Guide..
17:52<N3xtGeN>lupine_85: so first command is to load kernel or what
17:52<N3xtGeN>but I don`t know version :-D
17:53<lupine_85>N3xtGeN: like I said, it has tab completion
17:53<lupine_85>hit the tab key at any point and it'll fill in as much as the name as it can, and show you a list of possibles
17:53<lupine_85>just make sure the kernel & initrd have the same version!
17:53<N3xtGeN>lupine_85: oh tab completition, smart :-)
17:53<lupine_85>ho hum, doesn't like "hw1,0" or "hw1,1"... looks like I'm back to switching wires around!
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17:54<lupine_85>N3xtGeN: yeah, it rocks
17:54<N3xtGeN>lupine_85: wrong, the first command is "root hdd(0,0)"
17:54<N3xtGeN>lupine_85: why hdd(0,0)?
17:55<N3xtGeN>hd
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17:55<N3xtGeN>root command mounts filesystem?
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17:56<lupine_85>The syntax looks all wrong to me
17:56<lupine_85>root (hd0,0) <- that's what is used here
17:56<N3xtGeN>it look like the first IDE hard drive or what
17:56<lupine_85>root (hdX,Y)tells it what drive (X) and partition (Y) to look for files on
17:57<N3xtGeN>on that I have Win XP, linux is on USB HDD
17:57<lupine_85>hdd(0,0) is meaningless to grub
17:57<lupine_85>in that case, you're /probably/ going to be looking at (hd1,0)
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17:57<N3xtGeN>that i needed to know, thanks ;-)
17:57<lupine_85>probably
17:57<N3xtGeN>root (hdX,Y)tells it what drive (X) and partition (Y) to look for files on
17:57<lupine_85>I can't read your computer's BIOS from here
17:57<N3xtGeN>i needed definitons
17:57<lupine_85>:
17:57<lupine_85>:)
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17:59<N3xtGeN>lupine_85: can I somehow get the list of drives with their number?
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17:59<lupine_85>root (hd<TAB> ?
18:00<N3xtGeN>:-D I`m stupid thanks
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18:01<lupine_85>It working?
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18:01<lupine_85>Because I have to --------> bed soon
18:01<lupine_85>12-hour day tomorrow :D
18:02<lupine_85>bah. stupid home-made cables.
18:03<lupine_85>right; I'm gone. Sorry, but if you have any more trouble someone else will have to help
18:03<N3xtGeN>ended with "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7"
18:03<N3xtGeN>I tried "root (hd2,0)" coz i have two normal harddisks
18:03<N3xtGeN>lupine_85: only 12?? I think that we aren`t in bed for 18h :-)
18:03<N3xtGeN>lupine_85: thanks a lot anyway ;-)
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18:05<@Ganneff>N3xtGeN: did you read my "maybe a 0byte menu.lst. removing it and update-grub should give a default back."
18:06<N3xtGeN>yeah, but I have no idea how to do it and why
18:06<N3xtGeN>just want to boot linux from grub without any predefined menu entries
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18:09<jobbe^>hey now i have downloaded my drivers and they are installed how do i activate them?
18:11<N3xtGeN>jobbe^: have you ever installed wi-fi card?
18:11<jobbe^>nope
18:11<N3xtGeN>do you know what is ndiswrapper?
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18:11<jobbe^>nope
18:12<jobbe^>well it is installled cos i did iwconfig and got
18:12<jobbe^>well it is installled cos i did iwconfig and got
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18:12<jobbe^>iwconfig
18:12<jobbe^>lo no wireless extensions.
18:12<jobbe^>eth0 no wireless extensions.
18:12<jobbe^>sit0 no wireless extensions.
18:12<jobbe^>ra0 no wireless extensions.
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18:12<N3xtGeN>and the drivers you downloaded is for linux or windows?
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18:13<Jobbe>my driver is installed i think
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18:13<Jobbe>http://jobbe.frac.dk/iw
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18:14<N3xtGeN>I know the method with windows drivers a little bit only :-)
18:14<Jobbe>ok
18:15<Jobbe>how do i activate my network driver
18:16<Nemoder>modprobe drivername ?
18:16<Jobbe>ok
18:16<N3xtGeN>I had to download win driver for my card, then program ndiswrapper and then set it all up
18:16<Jobbe>ok
18:16<Jobbe>i have my windows driver
18:17<N3xtGeN>I am big lame so maybe I can`t halp you
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18:17<Jobbe>k
18:17<N3xtGeN>just tell you my procedure
18:17<Jobbe>ok
18:17<Jobbe>befor you begin
18:17<Jobbe>nemoder can my drivername be ra0 ?
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18:18<Nemoder>I don't know, what driver is it?
18:18<N3xtGeN>that looks really weird to me :-)
18:18<Jobbe>wlan
18:18<Nemoder>what hardware is it?
18:18<N3xtGeN>my card is represented with eht1
18:19<N3xtGeN>no idea
18:19<Jobbe>my is ra0
18:19<Jobbe>http://jobbe.frac.dk/iw
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18:19<Jobbe>i did the command iwconfig and got
18:19<Jobbe>http://jobbe.frac.dk/iw
18:19<Nemoder>is your device listed when you run lspci ?
18:20<Jobbe>tep
18:20<Jobbe>yep
18:20<N3xtGeN>where are you from? If you are from Czech rep. then it would be such easier for me to explain, coz It`s hard for me to talk in English :-)
18:20<Nemoder>what does it say the device name is?
18:20<Jobbe>denmark
18:20<Jobbe>02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2600 802.11 MIMO
18:21<Nemoder>ok
18:21<N3xtGeN>i don`t neither know what is lspci :-D
18:22<N3xtGeN>03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
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18:22<N3xtGeN>yeah, it`s there
18:23<Jobbe>Nemoder: u know what i can do to get my wlan card working?
18:23<Jobbe>it worked in ubuntu
18:23<Nemoder>I see there is a driver for the RT2570 but I don't see RT2600
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18:25<Jobbe>it's becaus it is RT61
18:25<Nemoder>ahh
18:25<Nemoder>so what happens when you run modprobe rt61 ?
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18:25<Jobbe>ahh modprobe rt61 and not modprope ra0
18:25<Jobbe>hehe
18:26<Jobbe>nothing happen
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18:26<Nemoder>that's good, it only gives an error if it doesn't work
18:26<Jobbe>shall i try restart my computer?
18:26<Jobbe>ok
18:26<Nemoder>no, try iwconfig again
18:26<Jobbe>ok
18:28<Jobbe>http://jobbe.frac.dk/debian/iwagain
18:28<Jobbe>my output
18:29<Nemoder>I really don't know much about wireless.. maybe try: ifup ra0
18:29<Jobbe>http://jobbe.frac.dk/debian/iwagain.txt <-- new link
18:29<Jobbe>ok
18:29<Jobbe>bash: ifup: command not found
18:29<Nemoder>hmm maybe that is only for ethernet
18:30<Jobbe>nope i just ran ifup in a non root terminal
18:30<Jobbe>ifup ra0 --> Ignoring unknown interface ra0=ra0.
18:31<Jobbe>ANYONE THAT KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT WLAN DRIVER FOR DEBIAN ETCH
18:32<chealer>!tell Jobbe about caps
18:32[~]lupine_85 returns ftw
18:32<lupine_85>Jobbe: don't forget the firmare
18:32<lupine_85>firmware*
18:32<lupine_85>and are you using the rt2x00 driver?
18:33<Jobbe>ok
18:33<Jobbe>no RT61
18:33<lupine_85>don't. use. that. one.
18:33<Jobbe>ok
18:33<lupine_85>uninstall it, use the rt2x00 one
18:33<Jobbe>how do i uinstall?
18:34<lupine_85>heh
18:34<lupine_85>you tell me
18:34<Jobbe>ok
18:34<Jobbe>hmm
18:34<Nemoder>you can unload it with rmmod rt61
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18:34<Nemoder>but uninstalling depends how you installed it
18:34<lupine_85>rm `find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)` -name rt61.ko
18:34<lupine_85>That should get rid of the .ko
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18:37<tcsetattr>that looks pretty dangerous with the backquote misplaced!
18:38<lupine_85>whoops
18:38<lupine_85>late-night thinking
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18:38<kd82>hey
18:38<lupine_85>should be rm `find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name rt61.ko`
18:38<Jobbe>hey
18:38<Jobbe>i think i just shall delete the folder: /etc/Wireless/RT61STA
18:38<kd82>i was lookin for sum help with my newsreader jobbe
18:38<lupine_85>yeah, you'll need to do that to
18:38<lupine_85>too*
18:38<kd82>any ideas?
18:39<kd82>i use xnews or newsleecher
18:39<lupine_85>Jobbe: did you run the first version of the 'rm' command?
18:39<lupine_85>because if you did, I've got some bad news...
18:39<Jobbe>i think
18:39<kd82>rm?
18:39<lupine_85>if you did, you'll want to apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) before you reboot
18:40<Jobbe>why?
18:40<lupine_85>because it deleted everything in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
18:40<Jobbe>and?
18:40<lupine_85>hence the "whoops"
18:40<lupine_85>... that's not good
18:40<Jobbe>ok
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18:41<lupine_85>luckily, it's relatively easily fixed... as long as you don't reboot first! :)
18:41<Jobbe>im running the command apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) now
18:41<lupine_85>great
18:41<lupine_85>nice save, tcsetattr :)
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18:41<tcsetattr>actually I think the -name will be interpreted as options to rm, which are invalid, thus preventing it from being run.
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18:41<tcsetattr>thanks to non-POSIX-compliant GNU getopt :)
18:41<Jobbe>how do i delete a dir with termina?
18:41<lupine_85>hehe
18:42<kd82>hey guys
18:42<lupine_85>there's something to be said about non-POSIX-compliance
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18:42<Jobbe>i dont wanna logout and then login again
18:42<kd82>wot u talkin bout linux?
18:42<lupine_85>Jobbe: if empty, rmdir. If not, rm -r
18:42<lupine_85>kd82: no. sheep.
18:42<kd82>ur funny
18:42<lupine_85>so're you
18:42<Jobbe>so rm -r /etc/Wireless then it deletes that folder?
18:42<lupine_85>anyway, I get 7 hours of sleep if I go to bed NOW
18:42<lupine_85>Jobbe: yes
18:42<kd82>i diont meen to annoy u but im new to irc
18:43<Jobbe>ok
18:43<kd82>sry if i interrupted
18:43<lupine_85>rm -rf will do the same, but without any prompts or warning messages
18:43<lupine_85>/snore
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18:43<Jobbe>ok
18:43<Jobbe>now i think i have deleted the driver what now?
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18:45<Jobbe>brb
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18:47<Jobbe>back
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18:48<kd82>jobbe
18:49<Jobbe>yep
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18:50<alex_>Jobbe: fixed it yet?
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18:50<Jobbe>my wlan.. nope
18:50<alex_>what about the hdd's?
18:51<Jobbe>yep working but i have to manual mount them
18:51<Jobbe>and i can only read not write
18:51<Jobbe>only root can write
18:51<Jobbe>:(
18:51<alex_>right
18:51<alex_>cause they are fat32 and fat16
18:51<Jobbe>mayby
18:52<alex_>its not nice to be using shitty DOS formatted hdd's on a nix system,
18:52<alex_>your lucky the box just spat them out
18:52<Jobbe>hehe
18:52<Jobbe>well im happy that i can read them
18:53<Jobbe>any terminal command that i can use to grandt right to account so i can write to the hdd
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18:53<Jobbe>kop u there?..
18:54<alex_>hm
18:54<alex_>is the system being used for anything
18:54<alex_>other than you pissing around on it?
18:54<alex_>not developement?
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18:54<Jobbe>nope it's just a cs server and a music server
18:54<alex_>chmod -R 777 *
18:54<alex_>in the directory
18:55<alex_>the has the mount of the hdd
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18:55<Jobbe>ok
18:55<alex_>be careful you dont chmod 777 the debian drive
18:55<alex_>or else youll be in shit
18:55<Jobbe>ok
18:55<Jobbe>shall i use console?
18:55<Jobbe>or what?
18:55<alex_>yes
18:55<alex_>infact
18:55<alex_>read up on chmod
18:55<Jobbe>ok opening root console
18:55<alex_>before using it
18:55<Jobbe>ok
18:55<alex_>i dont even think that will work
18:55<Jobbe>ok
18:56<alex_>im not liable for your computer blowing up, or swearing at your mother
18:56<alex_>(disclaimer)
18:57<Jobbe>if my computer fuck up then i just reinstall debian i have only installed mozilla and amarok and downloaded my cs server so tell me what to do
18:58<alex_>purchase a mac.
18:58<naudiz>is there an alternative to xcdroast ?
18:58<Jobbe>lol
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18:58<Jobbe>mac is odd
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18:58<alex_>one click mouse shouldnt get too above you head :P
18:58<Nemoder>naudiz: I like gnomebaker myself
18:58<naudiz>Nemoder: ok thanks
18:58<Jobbe>lol
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18:59<Jobbe>alex can u solve my write/read problem on my hdd?
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18:59<alex_>chmod -R 777 *
18:59<Jobbe>i did chmod -R 777 *
18:59<alex_>see what happens
18:59<Jobbe>what then?
18:59<alex_>and?
18:59<alex_>try
18:59<alex_>writing to it
18:59<Jobbe>ok
19:00<naudiz>Nemoder: I usually use xmms to convert .mp3 files to .wav files is there an easier way ? I don't see any mp32wav program .. maybe I can use Sox or something ?
19:00<petemc>thats not great advice
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19:00<tcsetattr>naudiz, mpg123 -w
19:00<naudiz>tcsetattr: thanks
19:00<Jobbe>i cant write
19:00<tcsetattr>and of course mplayer -ao pcm
19:01<Jobbe>alex i cant write
19:01<tcsetattr>actually yes sox can even read mp3s.
19:01<alex_>Jobbe: because its fat32/16 i dont think linux likes writing to it for some reason
19:01<Jobbe>root can write
19:02<petemc>chmod doesnt work on fat
19:02<Jobbe>ok
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19:02<Jobbe>how do i undo my chmod then?
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19:02<petemc>theres nothing to undo
19:02<Jobbe>ok
19:02<petemc>!vfatrw
19:02<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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19:02<alex_>petemc: how do you list keywords?
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19:02<Nemoder>naudiz: audacity can convert to wav, if you are just doing that to burn audio cd i think the burning software does it for you now
19:02<petemc>alex_: listkeys foo ?
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19:03<alex_>petemc: ty
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19:03<alex_>listkeys fstab
19:03<alex_>!listkeys fstab
19:03<dpkg>Factoid search of 'fstab' by key (6): fstab #DEL# ;; smb share fstab ;; #debian fstab ;; _default fstab ;; CMD: fstab (.*?) ;; fstab.
19:03<Jobbe>:S
19:03<naudiz>Nemoder: the burning software like gnomebaker does it for you now ?
19:04<Nemoder>naudiz: ya i just tested it, select audio cd and drag the mp3 to the list
19:04<naudiz>Nemoder: cool thanks
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19:04<Jobbe>wow i can get amarok cras by taking all my 18 gb music and putting it on my playlist :D
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19:05<Jobbe>lol?
19:05<Jobbe>who is dpkg?
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19:06<naudiz>Nemoder: are you using Debian Etch ?
19:06<Nemoder>naudiz: debian testing
19:07<naudiz>Nemoder: ah, so the gnomebaker version in Etch might not automatically convert mp3 to wav then eh ?
19:08<Nemoder>I thought it did
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19:08<Jobbe>wtf
19:08<Nemoder>naudiz: ya the same version is in etch and testing
19:08<naudiz>Nemoder: Ah ok then
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19:09<ranix>how do I close a pm in irssi?
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19:10<petemc>ranix: /win close
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19:10<ranix>thanks petemc
19:10<petemc>np
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19:15<freehat>is 2.6.22-1-amd64 supposed to suck?
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19:18<Jobbe>:(
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19:19<freehat>it does.
19:19<Jobbe>i cant get my script to mount my hdd working
19:19<freehat>you need a script for it?
19:19<Jobbe>yes
19:19<freehat>why not mount at startup?
19:19<Jobbe>i dont know kop helped me to get them mounted
19:20<Jobbe>but they wont mount at startup
19:20<Jobbe>so i made a script
19:20<Jobbe>to do it for me
19:20<freehat>your /etc/fstab file has the things at startup
19:20<Jobbe>yeo
19:20<freehat>edit it with root
19:20<Jobbe>yep
19:21<freehat>is that what you're trying to edit?
19:21<Jobbe>no
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19:21<Jobbe>i made a script that i run at startup
19:21<freehat>i'd recommend putting it in the fstab, rather than having to run a script every time
19:21<Jobbe>this is my fstab http://jobbe.frac.dk/debian/f.txt
19:22<Jobbe>the 3 hdd at the bottom is mine
19:22<Jobbe>or those that wont mount
19:22<freehat>ok
19:22<freehat>hmm
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19:23<Jobbe>wee my webhost has Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-10+lenny1 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at jobbe.frac.dk Port 80
19:23<freehat>heh
19:23<freehat>that looks right to me...
19:23<Jobbe>debian is good(when it work) hehe
19:24<freehat>are you sure they're in /dev/hdd
19:24<Jobbe>yep
19:24<Jobbe>that what kop told me
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19:24<Jobbe>take a look here
19:24<Jobbe>http://jobbe.frac.dk/debian/sfdisk.txt
19:24<freehat>did you make the directories /srv/ ?
19:24<Jobbe>yep
19:24<Jobbe>freehat take a look here http://jobbe.frac.dk/debian/sfdisk.txt
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19:25<freehat>k
19:25|-|jobbe changed nick to Jobbe-O_o
19:26<Jobbe-O_o>and this is my script http://jobbe.frac.dk/debian/mountdotsh
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19:27<freehat>so you did make the directories /srv/hdd1
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19:28<freehat>before you tried mounting them?
19:28<Jobbe-O_o>yep
19:28<freehat>or can you even mount them with /mount ??
19:28<Jobbe-O_o>nope
19:28<Jobbe-O_o>well i think i can mount
19:28<Jobbe-O_o>not sure
19:28<freehat>well lets see..
19:28<freehat>you've got a lot more partitions than me..
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19:28<Jobbe-O_o>hehe
19:28<Jobbe-O_o>only 3
19:29<Jobbe-O_o>well i have 3 hdd in my server
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19:30<freehat>well then
19:30<freehat>is there any particular reason you're using fat32 and fat16?
19:30|-|OrbE [~grant@bb-87-81-116-75.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #debian
19:30<Jobbe-O_o>i used windows before debian
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19:31<freehat>so you've got data on there you need?
19:31<Jobbe-O_o>yep 18 gb music and alot other stuff
19:31<freehat>otherwise I'd get rid of that crappy fs
19:31<freehat>fat sucks =(
19:31<Jobbe-O_o>know
19:31<freehat>ok well
19:31<freehat>do "mkdir /srv/hdd1"
19:31<Jobbe-O_o>k
19:32<Jobbe-O_o>it is done
19:32<freehat>then "mount -t vfat /dev/hdd1 /srv/hdd1"
19:32<Jobbe-O_o>i have srv/hdd1 hdd5 and hdb1
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19:32<Jobbe-O_o>done i am on my hdd not
19:32<Jobbe-O_o>now
19:32<freehat>it mounted?
19:32<Jobbe-O_o>yep dont knoe what i did
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19:32<Jobbe-O_o>but it work now
19:33<freehat>you probably didn't have the directories made
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19:33<Jobbe-O_o>yes is had
19:33<Jobbe-O_o>or have
19:33<freehat>weird
19:33<Jobbe-O_o>grr
19:33<freehat>try "mount -t vfat /dev/hdd5 /srv/hdd5
19:33<freehat>"
19:33<Jobbe-O_o>i wish i could write to my hdd from my normal user instead of going to root every time i need to write
19:33<freehat>oh that's easy
19:34<Jobbe-O_o>ok
19:34<freehat>do
19:34<freehat>what's your user name
19:34<Jobbe-O_o>morten
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19:34<freehat>just use chown
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19:34<freehat>chown morten:morten -R /srv/hdd1
19:34<Jobbe-O_o>ok
19:34<Jobbe-O_o>on all hdd?
19:34<freehat>that will do it for hdd1
19:34<freehat>you can do it on all of them if you like
19:35<Jobbe-O_o>k i will add in my script
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19:35<freehat>you only need to run it once
19:35<freehat>from then on that directory is yours
19:35<Jobbe-O_o>ok
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19:35<Jobbe-O_o>well i will add it into a file so i have it
19:35<freehat>so you got all your hard drives mounted and working then?
19:35<Jobbe-O_o>for furtur use
19:36<Jobbe-O_o>yp
19:36<Jobbe-O_o>yep
19:36<Jobbe-O_o>thanks for help
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19:36<freehat>no problem
19:36<Jobbe-O_o>i cant use the command
19:36<freehat>which?
19:36<Jobbe-O_o> chown morten:morten -R /srv/hdd1
19:36<freehat>oh
19:37<freehat>right
19:37<Jobbe-O_o>operation not allowed
19:37<freehat>vfat doesn't work on fat32
19:37<freehat>er
19:37<freehat>chown doens't work on vfat
19:37<Jobbe-O_o>ok
19:37<Jobbe-O_o>what then?
19:37<freehat>you'll have to set the permissions when you mount
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19:37<Jobbe-O_o>how?
19:37<freehat>let me check... never had that problem.. I don't use vfat lol
19:38<Jobbe-O_o>hehe
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19:38<alex_>Jobbe-O_o: format
19:38<alex_>and start agian
19:39<alex_>end all the suffering!
19:39<Jobbe-O_o>im gonna get a my a 30 gb hdd and then i will copy my 18 gb music and other important stuff then i will format all my hdd
19:39<freehat>yeah get some good old ext3 on there
19:39<Jobbe-O_o>but u have any commands?
19:39<Jobbe-O_o>u know how to set up a file server?
19:39<freehat>what type
19:39<Jobbe-O_o>music
19:40<freehat>for local machines?
19:40<Jobbe-O_o>yep lan
19:40<Jobbe-O_o>only
19:40<freehat>you want samba
19:40<Jobbe-O_o>okay ?
19:40<Jobbe-O_o>u have msn freehat?
19:40<freehat>nah
19:40<Jobbe-O_o>k
19:41<freehat>hold on...
19:41<Jobbe-O_o>k
19:41<Jobbe-O_o>i will
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19:42<freehat>ok
19:42<Jobbe-O_o>k
19:42<freehat>to read/write
19:42<Jobbe-O_o>ok
19:42<freehat>first unmount hdd1
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19:42<freehat>"umount /srv/hdd1"
19:42<Jobbe-O_o>ok
19:43<Jobbe-O_o>done
19:43<freehat>ugh
19:43<Jobbe-O_o>?
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19:44<freehat>mount -t vfat -o umaks=0000,dmask=0000,uid=0002,gid=users,users /dev/hdd1 /srv/hdd1
19:44<freehat>that should give you read/write
19:44<Jobbe-O_o>:O
19:45<Jobbe-O_o>how the hell can you learn that?
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19:45<freehat>uh well
19:45<freehat>i didn't
19:45<Jobbe-O_o>hehe
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19:46<freehat>those are all just options
19:46<freehat>with ext3 you won't have to worry about any of that crap
19:46<Jobbe-O_o>is it mount -t vfat -o umaks=0000,dmask=0000,uid=0002,gid=morten,morten /dev/hdd1 /srv/hdd1
19:46<Jobbe-O_o>or mount -t vfat -o umaks=0000,dmask=0000,uid=0002,gid=users,users /dev/hdd1 /srv/hdd1
19:46<Jobbe-O_o>see users and morten
19:46<freehat>either way
19:46<freehat>i believe users,users is ALL users
19:46<Jobbe-O_o>ok
19:46<Jobbe-O_o>i will try
19:47<freehat>fat file systems are terrible for fragmentation
19:47<Jobbe-O_o>hehe
19:48<Jobbe-O_o>while you wait on my then try take a look at this http://jobbe.frac.dk
19:48<freehat>i don't have a web browser
19:48<freehat>i just reinstalled ... lol
19:48<freehat>let me get elinks.. hold on
19:48<Jobbe-O_o>hehe
19:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 290] by debhelper
19:50<freehat>so did that mount command work?
19:50<Jobbe-O_o>nope
19:50<freehat>well beats me then
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19:50<Jobbe-O_o>what about file server?
19:50<freehat>well.. you should have samba already installed.. if not
19:50<freehat>apt-get install samba smbfs smbclient
19:50<Jobbe-O_o>yep
19:51<freehat>and then edit your /etc/samba/smb.conf
19:51<Jobbe-O_o>ok
19:51<freehat>at the end of the file, you can append
19:51<freehat>[share name]
19:51<freehat>path = /srv/hdd1
19:52<freehat>or whatever the path is
19:52<Jobbe-O_o>ok
19:52<freehat>writable = no
19:52<freehat>browsable = yes
19:52<freehat>what type of operationg systems will be accessing this server?
19:52<Jobbe-O_o>windows linux
19:52<Jobbe-O_o>but it is only for my self
19:52<Jobbe-O_o>and i use linux
19:53<freehat>ok then we don't need to worry about security
19:53<freehat>guest ok = yes
19:53<Jobbe-O_o>ok
19:53<freehat>public = yes
19:53<freehat>and then find the part in the file that goes
19:53<freehat>securty = user
19:54<Jobbe-O_o>anymore?
19:54<freehat>oh no
19:54<Jobbe-O_o>hehe
19:54<freehat>the securty = user part is not in the [share name] group
19:54<Jobbe-O_o>let me see.. etc.. samba.. smb.conf... got ot
19:54<Jobbe-O_o>it*
19:54<Jobbe-O_o>wtf samba not installed
19:55<freehat>lol
19:55<freehat>apt-get install samba smbfs smbclient
19:55<Jobbe-O_o>ahh there is was
19:55<Jobbe-O_o>hehe
19:58<Jobbe-O_o>u got a broser?
19:58<Jobbe-O_o>browser?
19:58<freehat>text based
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19:58<freehat>lol wut
19:58<lolcats>>:)
19:59<Jobbe-O_o>hehe
19:59<lolcats>i have a header called X-cats: /cats/ -- all cats all the time
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19:59<freehat>really
19:59<lolcats>really
19:59<lolcats>srsly
19:59<freehat>that's almost as cool as seaking
20:00<lolcats>lol
20:00<lolcats>i should use my normal nick -- my username is so unamaginative
20:00|-|lolcats changed nick to pengunassasin
20:00<pengunassasin>:)
20:00<Jobbe-O_o>im confused with samba
20:00<freehat>awesome, my screen cuts off the asin part
20:00<pengunassasin>Jobbe-O_o, have you configured /etc/smb.conf?
20:00<alex_>:)
20:01<Jobbe-O_o>no
20:01<pengunassasin>read up on that
20:01<freehat>I was trying to hook him up with that
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20:01<pengunassasin>thats what controls samba
20:01<jobbe>i know
20:01<pengunassasin>i use samba on my zaurus
20:01<jobbe>but i dont know what to edit
20:01<freehat>oh yeah? well i use samba.. on .. my .. computer!
20:01<pengunassasin>zaurii are more funer
20:01<alex_>jobbe: you need docs
20:01<freehat>samba.conf has documentatin right in it
20:01<alex_>jobbe: www.debian.org
20:01<freehat>just read the whole file =P
20:02<jobbe>cos i find "guest ok = yes" is many places
20:02<pengunassasin>you should
20:02<alex_>jobbe: /var/usr/share/docs
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20:02<pengunassasin>that means that guest accounts can access it (unless you want them not to be able to
20:02<jobbe>freehat u can use ftp?
20:03<pengunassasin>I have 2 shares on my laptop: HOME-LOL-CATS and MACHINE-ROOT -- machine root is hidden and needs the root pass
20:03<freehat>not if you want to stream your music files
20:03<freehat>oh
20:03<freehat>yeah I have ftp
20:03<jobbe>good
20:03<new2debian>dmesg.....is is possible to save the output of dmesg to a file ?
20:03<pengunassasin>new2debian, dmesg >> ~/dmesg.log
20:04<kop>new2debian : dmesg > foo
20:04<pengunassasin>mines better
20:04<pengunassasin>it appends
20:04<freehat>>> > >
20:04<kop>pengunassasin : True. YMMV.
20:04<new2debian>thanks
20:04<freehat>wait... append > write
20:04<pengunassasin>+ > =
20:04<pengunassasin>l o l
20:04<freehat>anybody else running unstable?
20:05<pengunassasin>me
20:05<pengunassasin>on this machine: http://pengunassasin.freeweb7.com/addons/easygallery/office/the%20sony%20hackers%20dream.JPG
20:05<freehat>2.6.22-1?
20:05<pengunassasin>yep
20:05<freehat>why is my alsa fubar'd
20:05<pengunassasin>what card?
20:05<freehat>ugh
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20:06[~]pengunassasin really should learn all the hacks for alsa and this old neomagic machine
20:06<jobbe>freehat i have made a ftp.. ftp.frac.dk username freehat password freehat i have dumped a copy of smb.conf can you modify it for me?
20:06<freehat>yeah 1 sec
20:06<jobbe>good
20:06<pengunassasin>a) did you mess with the configIF SO then try apt-get configure alsa
20:06<freehat>no i didn't mess with it
20:06<jobbe>me?
20:07<freehat>fresh install, fresh upgrade
20:07<jobbe>hehe
20:07<jobbe>i installed debian 3 days ago
20:07<pengunassasin>freehat, that mkaes no sense
20:07<freehat>what doesnt?
20:07<freehat>fresh dist-upgrade then?
20:07<pengunassasin>'fresh' means theres nothing behind it
20:07<jobbe>sure
20:07<pengunassasin>'upgrade' means theres something behind it
20:08<jobbe>ok
20:08<jobbe>wee
20:08<jobbe>O_o
20:08<jobbe>^^,
20:08<freehat>k anyways
20:08<pengunassasin>'fresh upgrade' is a misgnomer
20:08<freehat>alsaconf
20:08<freehat>runs without a hook
20:08<freehat>then speaker-test is messed up
20:08<pengunassasin>everything up to the "im testing the sound system'?
20:09<pengunassasin>but at the aplay testfile it gets funky
20:09<jobbe>freehat u done ?
20:09<freehat>lol no
20:09<jobbe>hehe
20:09<freehat>I'm trying to get help while helping
20:09<jobbe>ok
20:09<Supaplex>I have swap on lvm. can I increase it while it's still in use?
20:09<pengunassasin>that should be fun
20:09<jobbe>i'll be back
20:10<pengunassasin>Supaplex, in short, only if you make a swap-image
20:10<tcsetattr>you can just add another swap device...
20:10<Supaplex>I was leaning to the latter. cool.
20:10<pengunassasin>dd if=/dev/zero -c=10M of=swap.img
20:11<pengunassasin>fdisk swap.img
20:11<freehat>jobbe, done
20:11<tcsetattr>if you just mkswap and swapon a new device, it'll be added, though it'll have a lower priority.
20:11<jobbe>back
20:11<jobbe>good freehat
20:11<pengunassasin>freehat, try downgrading your alsa to the stable version. hold all packages except alsa and downgrade to stable or stale
20:11<freehat>to access it from windows machines the path is \\hostname\sharename
20:12<jobbe>ok
20:12<freehat>I don't have alsa installed
20:12<freehat>switch repository and install it?
20:12<pengunassasin>thats what i'd do
20:12<freehat>k
20:12<jobbe>so it is \\debian-server\123
20:12<pengunassasin>try distro.ibiblio.org/
20:12<jobbe>where 123 is my folder
20:12<pengunassasin>yes
20:12<freehat>yes
20:12<freehat>wait.. what?
20:13<pengunassasin>freehat, what apt server do you use?
20:13<freehat>ftp.debian.org?
20:13<pengunassasin>ok
20:13<freehat>with debian-multimeda and debian-unofficial
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20:14<freehat>i doubt this will work
20:14<freehat>considering the sound stopped working when i upgraded to 2.6.22-1
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20:15<pengunassasin>freehat, it did with mine too.
20:15<freehat>alright
20:15<pengunassasin>i simply down'd the old stable kernel
20:15<pengunassasin>i think 2.6.22 has problems
20:15<freehat>yeah.. it is in the "unstable" repository
20:15<freehat>lol
20:15[~]pengunassasin runs unstable with a 2.6.18 kernel
20:16<pengunassasin>at least the kernel is stable.. espessially on this old 388 Mhz machine
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20:16<freehat>ew
20:16<pengunassasin>what?
20:16<pengunassasin>it runs fine
20:16<freehat>388
20:16<freehat>with what running? lol
20:17<freehat>just a shell?
20:17<pengunassasin>168 mb ram... 4gb drive... with X11 GNOME, Iceweasel, Gnome-terminal, xchat, tomboy, xgl
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20:18<pengunassasin>why does distro.ibiblio.org no longer validate with apt?
20:18<freehat>never used it
20:18<abrotman>just choose another mirror
20:19<pengunassasin>mirrors.kernel.org wont, debian.thegeekery.com wont.. ftp.debian.org cant do shiz
20:19<freehat>alright.. i'm going to upgrade to 2.6.18-4 from 2.6.22-1
20:19<freehat>brb
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20:20<pengunassasin>shoulda seen it... my dist mirror was a local one running off of this: http://pengunassasin.freeweb7.com/addons/easygallery/office/random%20useless%20junk.JPG
20:21<jobbe>what is a WINS server?
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20:21<tcsetattr>WINS is some crazy Microsofty alternative to DNS
20:21<pengunassasin>WINS? Windows Is Noisy Shit?
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20:22[~]pengunassasin dances
20:22<tcsetattr>nobody uses it.
20:22<jobbe>ll
20:22<jobbe>lol
20:22<jobbe>i just wanna know
20:22<pengunassasin>i just printed my debian case: http://pengunassasin.freeweb7.com/addons/easygallery/More%20Office%20pictures/P1030674.JPG
20:22<jobbe>just the name
20:22<tcsetattr>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WINS
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20:23<jobbe>apple :O
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20:23<pengunassasin>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/crapper <-- better place to look
20:23<pengunassasin>for wins
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20:23<freehat>cross your fingers for me
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20:24<pengunassasin>freehat, all 10 of em
20:24<pengunassasin>jobbe, my workplace has a bunch of apples
20:24<freehat>damn
20:24<jobbe>hehe
20:24<pengunassasin>all old ppc machines
20:24<pengunassasin>i run debian on them
20:24<freehat>still not working..
20:25<freehat>playback error -19 no such device..
20:25<jobbe>ohh you dont run mac THATS GOOD
20:25<pengunassasin>what device?
20:25<pengunassasin>jobbe, some of my machines run OSX
20:25<freehat>device ''
20:25<freehat>obviously not recoginizing it
20:25<pengunassasin>alsaconf doesnt see it?
20:26<freehat>it does
20:26<freehat>and I select it
20:26<jobbe>pengunassasin mac suck
20:26<freehat>then speaker-test doesn't seem to
20:27<pengunassasin>jobbe, no no they dont
20:27<freehat>i'll try doing it with m-a
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20:27<pengunassasin>freehat: do you have frozen-bubble?
20:28<freehat>I had it back when I still had X
20:28<pengunassasin>irssi...
20:28<pengunassasin>any WAV files you can point to?
20:28<freehat>lol.. you have to go all the way back to stable to get linux-kbuild-2.6.18
20:29<freehat>hmm.. no
20:29<freehat>unless some program I have does
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20:31<pengunassasin>freehat, heres the source tarball for frozen-bubble
20:31<pengunassasin>http://www.frozen-bubble.org/data/frozen-bubble-2.1.0.tar.bz2
20:31<pengunassasin>tar all the .WAV files out of it and play them with aplay
20:32<freehat>I've got some wav files
20:32<freehat>aplay errors anyways
20:32<freehat>no such device
20:33<pengunassasin>and alsaconf cant see the device?
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20:33<freehat>alsaconf can
20:33<freehat>which is messed up huh
20:33<pengunassasin>apt-get configure alsa
20:34<pengunassasin>then run alsaconf
20:34<pengunassasin>also try /etc/init.d/rc5.d/K10alsa start
20:34<pengunassasin>(i belive alsa only runs in runlvl 5
20:35<freehat>k
20:35<petemc>erm
20:35<pengunassasin>petemc, yeeess?
20:35<pengunassasin>did i err?
20:35<petemc>perhaps a tad
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20:35<pengunassasin>k. where?
20:36<petemc>dpkg-reconfigure
20:36<pengunassasin>ah yes
20:36[~]pengunassasin is used to old-world debian... thats why his scripts dont run no more
20:37<pengunassasin>i have a debian 2.4 machine
20:37<petemc>most people run init scripts from /etc/init.d/ too
20:37<petemc>tho i guess it doesnt matter
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20:37<pengunassasin>it runs on a 30 mhz arm box: http://pengunassasin.freeweb7.com/addons/easygallery/office/small%20equal%20powerful.JPG
20:38<pengunassasin>oh yeah i wrote an article on the mini installer
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20:40<freehat>alsaconf... following cards found blah blah... via82xx
20:40<freehat>WTF
20:40<freehat>it works now..
20:40<freehat>just freaking ran alsaconf twice and it works .. yay
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20:41<pengunassasin>i was running suse on this machine and it simply crashed on this old mn265av
20:41<pengunassasin>couldnt even load the drivers
20:43<pengunassasin>whats with the APT having Super Cow Powers? i mean... that dosent even fit the naming scheme... sarge, woody, sid, lenny, etch... they're all toy story chatacters
20:43<freehat>apt-get install cowsay
20:43<freehat>aptitude -v
20:44<freehat>oh wait that's not right
20:44<freehat>i forget the easter egg now
20:44<jobbe>APT having Super Cow Powers? WHAT??
20:45<freehat>oh yeah
20:45<freehat>apt-get moo
20:45<jobbe>the debian people must like toy story
20:45<pengunassasin>cowsay is a real package
20:45<freehat>duh
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20:45<freehat>=P
20:45<jobbe>i need help with remote desktop
20:45<freehat>aptitude moo
20:45<freehat>aptitude moo -v
20:45<freehat>aptitude moo -vv
20:45<freehat>etc etc
20:46<pengunassasin>jobbe, what about it
20:46<jobbe>i need help to get it working
20:46<pengunassasin>what about it
20:46<pengunassasin>the setup?
20:46<jobbe>the start
20:46<jobbe>i never used it
20:47<jobbe>or installed
20:47<pengunassasin>open gnome settings and select "remote desktop" i believe
20:47<jobbe>ok
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20:47<jobbe>well i need to setup so i can connect to my linux server from my laptop
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20:48<jobbe>both of my computers has debian
20:48<jobbe>etch
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20:49<zooy0rk>how would I input extended ascii characters (specifically 0xca) to a program that is using getchar() to retrieve the input?
20:50<pengunassasin>zooy0rk, what application?
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20:51<zooy0rk>pengunassasin, it is something that I wrote ...
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20:51<tark>hey everyone
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20:51<pengunassasin>c? C++? QT? GTK?
20:51<tark>i was wondering
20:51<pengunassasin>good times tark
20:51<tcsetattr>there's no such thing as "extended ASCII". there are lots of supersets of ASCII. none of them are named "extended ASCII".
20:52<tark>is it ok to use etch/volatile repository with debian lenny ?
20:52<pengunassasin>tcsetattr, theres non-printable ascii, or ANSI text
20:52<tark>cheers penguassasin
20:52<pengunassasin>tark, try! see what happens!
20:52<tark>let me rephrase this
20:53<zooy0rk>tcsetattr, well I have heard it referred to as the "extended ascii table" but what I am referring to are ascii characters 128-255
20:53<tark>how come lenny doesn't have it's own volatile repository ???
20:53<tcsetattr>there are no ascii characters 128-255.
20:53<zooy0rk>pengunassasin, c
20:53<pengunassasin>because lenny isnt flammable
20:53<tcsetattr>ASCII is a 7-bit character code. when you use characters that are not in the 0-127 range, you are outside of ASCII.
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20:53<tark>sounds logical penguassassin
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20:53<zooy0rk>tcsetattr, hence "extended"
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20:54<pengunassasin>zooy0rk, what is it though, a terminal or with a GUI?
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20:54<zooy0rk>terminal
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20:54<pengunassasin>its however that terminal app wotrks
20:55<tcsetattr>how you send bytes from your terminal that aren't on the keyboard depends on the terminal type. the Alt key with numpad works in some.
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20:55<zooy0rk>tcsetattr, that is along the lines of what I was thinking ... but the alt+numpad combination isn't working for me
20:56<tcsetattr>since you stubbornly refuse to say what kind fo terminal you're using, you won't get any help
20:56<pengunassasin>with gnome-terminal you can use ALT-NNN where NNN is the hex.. xterm i believe you have to use an internation kb layout or use a screen keyboard
20:56<pengunassasin>zooy0rk, what terminal are you using?
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20:57<pengunassasin>tark, why do you want a volitile repository?
20:57<pengunassasin>couldnt you just light your machine on fire?
20:57<tark>lol pengunassassin to keep my clamav up to date
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20:58<pengunassasin>tark, then make one locally based on... wait... y would you NEED clamav? theres no virii for linux
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20:58<tark>hehe you never know
20:59<tark>there are rootkits
20:59<zooy0rk>sorry ... I'm not trying to be stubborn, I have tried several different terminals including gnome-terminal xterm and rxvt
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20:59<tark>pengunassasin plus i sometimes use wine and win2k through vmware
21:00<pengunassasin>zooy0rk, then try Konsole. or try tty4 -- it has alt keymapping enabled.
21:00<tcsetattr>by experimentation I found that shift-alt-J generates the 0xca byte in my xterm. yours may be configured differently.
21:01<tcsetattr>in UTF-8 mode it is probably impossible because 0xca alone is not a legal UTF-8 sequence.
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21:01<pengunassasin>whats the best way to configure a synaptics touchpad?
21:02<freehat>from /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
21:02<zooy0rk>tcsetattr, excellent, I will give that a shot
21:02<zooy0rk>pengunassasin, I will give konsole a shot
21:02<christianatilathehun>please edit html and php ??? name
21:03<pengunassasin>christianatilathehun, vim
21:03<tark>bluefish
21:03<christianatilathehun>ok .. gracias
21:03<pengunassasin>denada
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21:05<tark>well pengunassasin it seems the etch volatile repository is perfect for lenny
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21:05<pengunassasin>tark, glad to hear
21:05<tark>just in case someday you're concerned about virii or ge as paranoid as i am
21:05<freehat>virii on linux??
21:05<pengunassasin>now theres a storm coming and its 20* C
21:06<freehat>I read a page somewhere were they tested windows virii with wine
21:06<tark>why would they developp antivirus software if there were _no_ threat ?
21:06<freehat>none worked =(
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21:06<tark>freehat good to know
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21:09<tark>let's say i use volatile in regard to the debian volatile team then :)
21:10<alex> Fn-F2 on dell e1505 under debian 4.0 etch
21:10<alex>Hi All,
21:10<alex>how can I make Fn-F2 combination work? I installed debian etch and
21:10<alex>this combination doesn't work.( it's supposed to turn wireless card on/
21:10<alex>off)
21:10|-|alex kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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21:10<freehat>alex, you may need to map it with xmodmap
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21:11<alex>ok, It's a new command for me. I'll read man
21:11<alex>thanks.
21:11<freehat>alex, xev will also help you
21:12<alex>which one is better? :-)
21:12<jobbe>IM SPUPID.... i did chmod 777 -R /
21:12<freehat>xev will tell you what the key is sending the computer
21:13<freehat>xmodmap is where you map that keycode to a command
21:13<jobbe>brb
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21:14<alex>ok. I saw somebody mentioned hotkeys . ..
21:14<Daemon-->anyone about at this silly hour in the morning?
21:14<Daemon-->speak of the devil, mornin alex
21:15<Daemon-->can someone tell me if it would be easy to break into a box with no firewall thats not even behind a nat router?
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21:15<freehat>Daemon--, probably.. if somebody cared enough
21:16<Daemon-->freehat - but its happening all the time with internet noise, people trying to get into random systems, just wondered if its worth tearning my hair out trying to setup IP tables
21:17<Daemon-->i presume IP tables would be the way to go with no hardware?
21:17|-|tom changed nick to xh1btxoxp8kavnxpe0pco
21:17<freehat>I don't know.. never worried about firewalls with a nat
21:17<freehat>always had a nat.. i mean
21:17<Daemon-->yeah, my server aint even behind a nat router never mind a firewall, completely open so i want to secure it
21:18<Daemon-->is IP tables the best way?
21:18<gsimmons>!tell Daemon-- -about securing
21:18|-|xh1btxoxp8kavnxpe0pco [~tom@64.178.251.6] has quit []
21:18<Daemon-->lookin, thanks
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21:20<pengunassasin>wow the weather reports are amazingly accurate
21:20[~]pengunassasin [WEATHER: Albuquerque Double Eagle: 30*C Rainy winds NNE 90% humid ]
21:21<alex>how can I easily upgrade kernel on etch? I need 2.6.21 . do I need to compile it on my machine or there is a package which I can instll?
21:21|-|tark [~tarkem@feu30-1-82-242-58-78.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
21:21<freehat>alex, apt-get install linux-image
21:22<freehat>I don't know if 2.6.21 is on stable
21:22<alex>will I get a choice which one to choose?
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21:22<freehat>that will give you the list of installable ones
21:22<pengunassasin>alex, not if you're using mIRC
21:22<alex>I dont see it in synaptic manager
21:22<Daemon-->it says i should be using a dedicated server for the router/firewall, dont have one, is this essential?
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21:23<freehat>alex, type apt-get install linux-image
21:23<freehat>and see what the output is..
21:23<freehat>it wont install anything
21:23<alex>ok. tahnks
21:24<pengunassasin>you want apt-get install linux-image -t i think
21:24<pengunassasin>its an option that Demo's the install
21:24<chealer>alex: if you don't mind, what do you need from 2.6.21?
21:24<chealer>pengunassasin: -s
21:24<pengunassasin>thanks chealer
21:25<alex>my wireless card is 1390 in dell e1505.
21:25<alex>I need 2.6.21 to get build in support
21:26<freehat>1390 sounds like a firewire line
21:26<chealer>alex: 1390? what's the chipset?
21:26<freehat>you probably have an intel pro/wireless
21:27<alex>no , it's not intell
21:27<alex>it's broadcom
21:27<freehat>that is probably your wired connection
21:28<jobbe>someone know where i can find the http apache files in debian etch
21:28<jobbe>or html
21:28<freehat>/var/
21:28<freehat>somewhere in there
21:28<jobbe>okay
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21:28<tark>/var/www/ by default
21:28<freehat>yeah, that's it
21:29<pengunassasin>/var/www/index.html
21:29<jobbe>/var/www/apache2-default8
21:29<jobbe>/var/www/apache2-default8
21:29<jobbe>yep
21:29<alex>no, it
21:29<alex>no, its wireless . network card is broadcom as well
21:29<freehat>ok
21:29<jobbe>soon i will need all your help
21:30<freehat>lol
21:30<gsimmons>alex: Revision 01? It would be supported by the bcm43xx driver. You'll need to provide firmware for its use however.
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21:30<David>Uh I need some help with GNOME
21:30<David>I just installed it and I got Fatal Server Error: Could not open default font: fixed
21:30|-|David changed nick to Guest127
21:30<alex>yes, I know I used bcm43...fwcutter
21:31<jobbe>i need to make /var/www/apache2-default write able for everyone
21:31<jobbe>i tried chmod 777 -R /var/www/apache2-default
21:31<kingsley>How does one point xmms at a CD drive?
21:31<jobbe>it didnt work
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21:32<freehat>Guest127, what did you type to get that error
21:32<Daemon-->which should i be using to secure my system please..... ipchains or iptables?
21:32<tark>jobbe try a chown rather
21:32<jobbe>ok
21:32<Guest127>I typed startx
21:32<gsimmons>Daemon--: iptables.
21:32<tark>jobbe or add all your users to www-data
21:32<freehat>Guest127, do you have the xfonts installed?
21:33<jobbe>ok
21:33<Guest127>uhhh
21:33<Guest127>No
21:33<Guest127>I would have guessed that it came with GNOME
21:33<Guest127>Whats the package name?
21:33<Daemon-->gsimmons - thanks, are there any websites you know of that will configure one for me if i tell it what im running?
21:33<freehat>I don't know, never seen this problem, Guest127
21:34<Guest127>I had it with Microsoft VPC and I switched toVMWare and I got the same problem
21:35<freehat>xfonts-100dpi i guess
21:35<Guest127>xfonts-base - standard fonts for x
21:35<freehat>those too
21:35<freehat>lol
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21:35<freehat>did you have xfonts-base installed?
21:35<gsimmons>Daemon--: You'd probably be interested in the 'fwbuilder' or 'ferm' packages. See also <http://wiki.debian.org/iptables>, particularly the links under the Resources section.
21:36<Guest127>No, I guessed that it came with GNOME
21:36<freehat>Weird.. well that's what I'd try first
21:36<freehat>did you install xorg first?
21:36<Daemon-->gsimmons - thanks a lot
21:36<Guest127>And if it doesn't work?
21:36<tark>Guest127 xfonts-base is necessary to run X
21:36<Guest127>I don't think so
21:36<freehat>oh
21:36<Guest127>I just did apt-get install -f gnome
21:36<tark>try
21:37<freehat>you'll want to apt-get install xorg first
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21:37<jobbe>i can still not do anythink to /var/www/apache2-default/index.html
21:37<Daemon-->gsimmons - just to get this right, i create the firewall using either fwbuilder or ferm then follow that link you gave to install it?
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21:37<tark>jobbe what did you try ?
21:37<pengunassasin>jobbe, are you root?
21:38<freehat>Guest127 you can't run gnome without X =)
21:38<Guest127>tark: If its necessary to run X then they should have added it into the gnome package
21:38<jobbe>no
21:38<jobbe>but i have root console
21:38<pengunassasin>what does whoami print out?
21:38<tark>Guest X can be used not only with gnome
21:38<jobbe>damn i dit chmod 777 -R /var/www/apache2-default/index.html
21:38<Guest127>So I should install xorg?
21:39<jobbe>in a normal terminal
21:39<freehat>Guest127, yes
21:39<Guest127>Sorry, I've never used Debian GUI
21:39<pengunassasin>Guest127, use tasksel
21:39<pengunassasin>its simpler
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21:39<Guest127>Eh, if I use tasksel, will it download gnome again?
21:39<Villarroel>Hi!
21:39<tark>jobbe how many users do you want to be able to edit your www ?
21:39<Guest127>(Probably not)
21:39<pengunassasin>no
21:39<Guest127>Good
21:40<pengunassasin>its smarter than that
21:40<jobbe>i solved it now
21:40<Guest127>lol
21:40<pengunassasin>it simply knows lists of packages
21:40<jobbe>tark no problem any more i did chmod in a normal terminal and not a root
21:40<tark>good
21:40<Guest127>Ummm
21:40<Guest127>I think I have a bit of a problem
21:41<Guest127>When I run tasksel
21:41<Guest127>It doesn't come up with a blue background
21:41<freehat>As root?
21:41<Guest127>The background is black, the border is blue, the text is red and the progress bar is green
21:41<christianatilathehun>> alguien conoce un programa para fotos panoramicas (unir fotos y ver en 360 grados) gracias
21:42<Guest127>Is this a major problem? And the progress bar isn't moving
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21:42<jobbe>how do i instal MySQL in apache
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21:43<Guest127>I just rebooted, I think tasksel is broken...
21:43<chealer>!tell christianatilathehun about es
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21:43<tark>jobbe apt-get mysql-server
21:43<jobbe>ok
21:44<chealer>jobbe: you don't install mysql in apache
21:44<jobbe>ok
21:44<jobbe>well i wanna use Mysql and apache
21:44<Supaplex>jobbe: tark means apt-get install mysql-server
21:44<Supaplex>!tell jobbe -about search
21:45<jobbe>but i dont know how to configure MySQL
21:45<tark>Supaplex right thx =) gettin late here
21:45<Supaplex>start with mysql.com go to developers, then documentation
21:45<jobbe>ok
21:45<jobbe>ty
21:46<Guest127>Ummm, I think GNOME is working
21:46<klys>bochs is giving me: could not find index for interface: eth0
21:47<Guest127>Thanks everyone for your help!
21:47<Daemon-->okmfg how complicated is this firewall builder
21:47<klys>SIOCGIFINDEX ioctl
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21:48<klys>I can't tell what kind of file or socket it's operating on
21:48<glguy>if a package has a graphical reconfiguration screen, should dpkg-reconfigure <pkg_name> show it?
21:48<jobbe>supaplex there is no developers page
21:48|-|azeem-un1 [~mbanck@ppp-88-217-32-33.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #debian
21:49<Supaplex>looks like they changed their site again
21:49|-|azeem [~mbanck@ppp-88-217-34-109.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:49<jobbe>yep
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21:50<Supaplex>jobbe: ps the "documentation" word is on the front page... http://dev.mysql.com/doc/
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21:50<pengunassasin>Daemon--, what are you using?
21:50<jobbe>ok
21:51<Daemon-->pengunassasin - in regards to my o/s? debian etch 4.0
21:51<pengunassasin>Daemon--, what TOOL what TOOL
21:52<Daemon-->well i looked at using fwbuilder but it looks too complicated, im looking at ferm now
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21:53<pengunassasin>Daemon--, theres a really simple iptables config generator out there on the net... I remember it
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21:54<Daemon-->that would be perfect for me cos i really have no idea what im doing, do you remember what its called please?
21:54<pengunassasin>its here >> http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/
21:55<Daemon-->thank you very much, its really appreciated
21:55<Jobbe-AFK>when i do apt-get install mysql-server what version will i then get?
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21:57<pengunassasin>Daemon--, it works for Me... read the "How iptables works" page -- its a good read for beginners
21:57<Daemon-->i will, just my main priority is to get it up and running first
21:58<Daemon-->only thing is my server has 4 IP's on one NIC, can this thing configure all the ip's?
21:58<peterS>Jobbe-AFK: find out with 'apt-cache policy mysql-server' or 'apt-cache show mysql-server'
21:58<Jobbe-AFK>ok
21:59<Jobbe-AFK>i have a problem with mysql
21:59<Jobbe-AFK>www.jobbe.frac.dk/sql
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22:01<peterS>so check the things it tells you to check
22:01<pengunassasin>Daemon--, read up on iptables
22:01<Daemon-->ok, will do.... thanks a lot for your help
22:01<Jobbe-AFK>peters ok i will
22:01<pengunassasin>Jobbe-AFK, do check them
22:02<Jobbe-AFK>the file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock does not exist
22:03<Jobbe-AFK>how can i get it?
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22:03<Supaplex>~payflowpro
22:04<Jobbe-AFK>where can i get the file
22:04<Supaplex>~lart payflowpro
22:04[~]dpkg frags payflowpro with his BFG9000
22:04<pengunassasin>Jobbe-AFK, try dpkg --configure myswl
22:04<Supaplex>Jobbe-AFK: mysql has to be running, it'll create one on startup
22:04<pengunassasin>mysql*
22:04<Jobbe-AFK>ok
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22:06<Jobbe>it says that the file is already installed and configured
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22:09<Jobbe>how do i create a share in text mode
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22:10<Supaplex>it?
22:10<Jobbe>it??
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22:11<Supaplex>21:05 < Jobbe> it says that the file is already installed and configured
22:11<Jobbe>yes
22:11<Supaplex>define it.
22:11<Supaplex>what file?
22:11<Supaplex>is this still mysql-server?
22:11<Jobbe>yep
22:11<Supaplex>or dpkg? or what?
22:11<Jobbe>mysql
22:11<Jobbe>dpkg
22:12<Supaplex>show us the word for word error messages at http://rafb.net/paste
22:12<Jobbe>i dont think you understand it cos it is danish
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22:14<Supaplex>the only danish I understand is cream cheese and fruit flavored. mmmm
22:14<Jobbe>lol
22:14<Jobbe>just forget mysql atm
22:14<Jobbe>now my biggest problem is that i have just formatted my server for i fucked it up
22:14<Jobbe>and now im in text mode
22:15<Jobbe>or console
22:15<Jobbe>and i dont wanna install a x server like gnome or kde or something like that
22:15<Supaplex>well, what do you want to do?
22:15<Jobbe>so my question.. How do i make a share in text mode
22:16<Supaplex>a share?
22:16<Supaplex>nfs export? samba?
22:16<Jobbe>samba
22:16<Daemon-->pengunassasin - im just a littel confused, can i select any of the eth devices and it will work for all the ip's?
22:16<Supaplex>you'd have to have samba installed, then edit /etc/samba/smb.conf
22:16<Supaplex>man smb.conf
22:16<Jobbe>ok
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22:17<Jobbe>what command to edit?
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22:20<Supaplex>$EDITOR nano vim emacs pico vi jed zile ed cat grep sed - any you want to learn.
22:20<Jobbe>nano <filename>
22:20<Jobbe>hehe
22:20<Supaplex>sure
22:20<Daemon-->if i enable passive mode on my ftp server can i shut down port 21 or is it still needed?
22:21<glguy>21 is the port you connect to
22:21<glguy>20 is ftp-data
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22:22<Daemon-->so i need port 20 open as well?
22:22<Supaplex>nay
22:22<pengunassasin>Daemon--, you'd have to read the docs for that
22:23<Daemon-->ok thanks guys
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22:23<Supaplex>be afraid. wait... it's linux. ;)
22:24<Jobbe>how do i make this: ^O
22:24<Jobbe>?
22:24<Jobbe>how do i make this: ^0
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22:25<pengunassasin>alt-0?
22:25<Supaplex>control zero?
22:25<Jobbe>ok
22:25<Jobbe>ty
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22:25[~]Supaplex is confused
22:25[~]pengunassasin reconboobalates Supaplex
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22:26<Supaplex>and that's suppose to help?
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22:28<Jobbe-afk>how do i delete?
22:29<pengunassasin>delete what? characters? backspace. files? rm-r *
22:29<Jobbe-afk>a folder
22:29<pengunassasin>rm -r foldername/*
22:29<pengunassasin>rmdir foldername
22:30<Jobbe-afk>ok thanks
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22:30<pengunassasin>how do i get inkscape-.45?
22:30<pengunassasin>i need the blur thing
22:32<pengunassasin>apachenoob, eh? thought this was #debian
22:34<Supaplex>if noobs could fly
22:34<Jobbe-afk>yes my cs server work
22:34<Jobbe-afk>and now apache
22:34<Jobbe-afk>hehe
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22:37<pengunassasin>i ran an apache server once
22:37[~]Supaplex has a handful of em
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22:37<pengunassasin>i hated having the DynDNS crash on it
22:38<pengunassasin>i kept a static ip address on the internal but the external crashed every 5 hours (on the dot)
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22:39<Supaplex>pity
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22:40<Jobbe-afk>where can i configure apache?
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22:40<gsimmons>Jobbe-afk: Depending on the version you have installed, either /etc/apache/* or /etc/apache2/*
22:40<sutula>I'd like to do an etch install to an i386 box, but using only RS-232. Is that easy or more a bunch of trouble?
22:40<Jobbe-afk>ok
22:40<Jobbe-afk>ty
22:41<Jobbe-afk>so etc is for config? like samba
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22:43<gsimmons>Jobbe-afk: That's right. It's a defined convention - host-specific, system-wide configuration files - within the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS).
22:43<Jobbe-afk>ok
22:44<Jobbe-afk>how can i configure apache not to use /var/www/apache2-default but use how can i configure apache not to use /var/www/public
22:44<Jobbe-afk>dammit
22:44<Jobbe-afk>how can i configure apache not to use /var/www/apache2-default but use /var/www/public
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22:45<gsimmons>Jobbe-afk: Read the comments within /etc/apache2/sites-available/default. And learn about the "DocumentRoot" directive. And install and read the 'apache2-doc' package.
22:45<Jobbe-afk>ok
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22:48<Daemon-->pengunassasin - ok think ive done it right but there#s no info on how to install it ??
22:49<pengunassasin>daemon, read. google is your freind
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22:49<pengunassasin>i belive you should be able to run it (it is a bash script
22:49<pengunassasin>run it and then iptables -L
22:50<Daemon-->just scared im gonna mess it up, you wouldnt mind checkinjg the rules ive added would you please?
22:50<pengunassasin>pastebin the script to rafb.net/paste/
22:50<Daemon-->ok
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22:52<pengunassasin>spit the url Here
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22:52<Daemon-->pengunassasin - http://rafb.net/p/dkGZVV60.html, its the inbound and outbound ones, ive had to do some as udp and not sure if ive done it right
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22:54<Daemon-->lines 589-592 and 603-606 i think
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22:55<Daemon-->there's no mention in the instructions either about using multiple ip's so ive just said use eth1
22:55<jobbe>yes
22:55<jobbe>i got my server like i wanna have it :)
22:55<jobbe>i only have to do ./mount.sh then it mounts my hdd
22:56<Daemon-->cos the dns uses 2 ip's, the webserver and stuff running on it uses another ip and the game uses another ip, so each ip has its own config, but there's no mention how to do that
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22:56<pengunassasin>Daemon--, this will act only on eth1, so do be careful. what side is eth1 on? the INCOMING side or OUTGOINF side
22:56<Daemon-->eth1 is the game server, so the lines i mentioned
22:57<Daemon-->lines 589-592 and 603-606
22:57<Daemon-->the webserver stuff doesnt need to be open on that port
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22:57[~]damog tard.
22:58<pengunassasin>looks to be OK.
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22:58[~]pengunassasin 's foot just fell asleep
22:58<Daemon-->then eth1:! and eth1:2 just need port 53 open for the dns and eth1:3 needs all the webserver stuff
22:58<eth1c>hey, does anyone in here know a FTP program thats in aptitude with a decently nice GUI?
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22:59<Daemon-->does that make sence pengunassasin?
22:59<pengunassasin>eth1c, synaptic
22:59<pengunassasin>Daemon--, somewhat
22:59<jobbe>dammit'
22:59<damog>eth1c: I suggest konqueror.
22:59<sutula>eth1c: iceweasel?
22:59<eth1c>i shall see which i like :P thx all 3
22:59<Daemon-->basically each ip has its own requirements but there's nothing in the instructions about how to do this
23:00<damog>sutula: you cannot upload stuff over FTP with iceweasel, can you?
23:00<sutula>damog: no, you're right, it would only fetch stuff
23:00<damog>right;
23:01<tark>hmm has anyone tried to install vmware server 1.0.3 on lenny ?
23:02<jobbe>well i wanna go now
23:02<jobbe>it is 06:02 am here so i have been sitting up all night
23:02<pengunassasin>Daemon--, it acts like a service almost, a daemon if you will.. i'd have this and whatever else you want in this and one other (for eth0 -- i would assume you'd have to allow steam on eth0) and get a runlevel editor like krun or some reasonable editor like that
23:02<jobbe>byw now
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23:02<pengunassasin>thats a ruinlevel problem, and i dont know how to handle those.
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23:03<Daemon-->pengunassasin - i appreciate the help but its honestly beyond me that, i wouldnt have a clue what to do or where to start.... think im just gonna have to pay someone to do it..... thanks for the help though buddy :)
23:04<pengunassasin>runlevel daemons are kept in /etc/init.d
23:04<pengunassasin>they must have been run through dos2unix and have an executable flag and read for all users.
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23:04<Daemon-->yeah but i dont know what they are or what to even do with them..... im way out my league trying to secure my box
23:05<pengunassasin>then i'd pull down (i beleive its called) snowwall -- look in synaptic for a firewall
23:06<Daemon-->is this a program that will do it for me?
23:06<pengunassasin>it configures iptables yes
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23:06<Daemon-->i'll check it out, cheers again buddy
23:06<pengunassasin>all else fails ask #iptables
23:07<Daemon-->ahh didnt realise they existed
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23:20<inaety>hello, for some reason my sound is so full of bass i can't even hear Dave Matthews singing
23:20<inaety>idk what's wrong with alsa
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23:25<pengunassasin>dpkg is an odd little bot
23:25<pengunassasin>inaety, check alsamixer
23:26<pengunassasin>and your equalizer
23:26<Supaplex>~blame canada
23:26[~]dpkg blames michan and canada for the end of the world as we know it
23:26<Supaplex>;)
23:26<inaety>i did pengunassasin dunno about my equalizer though
23:26<pengunassasin>what app?
23:27<pengunassasin>~blame your mom
23:27[~]dpkg blames jvaughan and your mom for the end of life as we know it
23:27<pengunassasin>lol
23:28<pengunassasin>~thermite
23:28<dpkg>hmm... thermite is ask about <sid>, or see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqC610k1gY
23:28<pengunassasin>why did you people name all the releases after toy story characters?
23:30<inaety>pengunassasin: umm KDE
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23:30<pengunassasin>inaety, KDE is a desktop environment. do you mean noatun>
23:30<inaety>pengunassasin: haha i know it's an enviroment...everything is KDE is screwed up
23:30<inaety>amarok, kopete, konqueror
23:31<inaety>you know like the little popups?
23:31<inaety>"enter password" all that crap
23:31<inaety>it's all screwed
23:31<tark>hmm is it me or does module-assistant have a problem in lenny ?
23:31[~]pengunassasin checks
23:31<pengunassasin>nope its you
23:31<tark>:)
23:31<pengunassasin>~blame tark
23:31[~]dpkg blames m`m`w and tark for all the evil in the world
23:32<pengunassasin>~ask me about grim fandango
23:32<pengunassasin>man you guys need to play more lucasarts games
23:32<tark>no way getting modules from source...
23:33<pengunassasin>then get em from the bin sources
23:34<pengunassasin>gods i hate rhythmbox
23:34<tark>can't get sl-modem without compiling it from source for example can you ?
23:34<inaety>no duh, pengunassasin worst app out htere
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23:35<allysa>hyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
23:35<pengunassasin>and DAMN, 10 mega
23:35<pengunassasin>hello allysa
23:36<pengunassasin>you need help with debian?
23:36<inaety>pengunassasin: if you want GTK+ use exaile
23:36<pengunassasin>i use wxwidgets: VLC
23:37<pengunassasin>i gotta remove totem too... its failing on this machine also
23:38<allysa>hay boleh kenalan ga?
23:38<pengunassasin>hablar yinxuen ciboucup
23:39<pengunassasin>(speak english please)
23:39<pengunassasin>why does totem want to remve gnome with it
23:39<inaety>anyways, you know anything about my problem
23:40<allysa>hay,boleh kenalan ga?
23:40<inaety>allysa: only english
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23:41<allysa>maksud loe?
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23:45<ranix>pengunassasin: because you won't have everything in the metapackage when you remove totem
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23:45<pengunassasin>can i just remove totem?
23:45<ranix>yes
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23:47<pengunassasin>how?
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