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---Logopened Wed Aug 08 00:00:17 2007
00:00<manphiz>chealer, oh i see. anyway it's good to know there's no glitch, so things will be settled :)
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02:10<sigp239>How do I make it so that an application starts up minimized to the tray?
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02:14<Supaplex>sigp239: under kde?
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02:16<sigp239>Supaplex: No. Gnome 2.18.3
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02:18<irwiss_>sigp239, try apt-get install alltray;man alltray
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02:53<chuy>hi
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03:12<bcochofel>How can I config apt-get for proxy access?
03:13<dondelelcaro>bcochofel: you should just set the HTTP_PROXY env variable
03:14<dondelelcaro>bcochofel: man sources.list; for details
03:14<bcochofel>dondelelcaro: ok, thx
03:14<jm_>or read apt documentation to learn how to enable it in apt.conf
03:14<Supaplex>!tell bcochofel -about sources.list
03:14<dondelelcaro>yeah; if it's apt-specific, use apt.conf, if it's system wide, use HTTP_PROXY
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03:23<bcochofel>where's apt.conf?
03:23<alex_>/etc/
03:24<bcochofel>guess I have to create one
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03:25<jm_>man apt.conf
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03:28<Supaplex>so what's growisofs mean by the rbu ubu columns? I haven't found any docs on it. 2183200768/2665973760 (81.9%) @2.1x, remaining 2:42 RBU 0.2% UBU 35.1%
03:29<mjk>How do I install (cleanly) SUN's Java plugin in Lenny? Alas, sun-java5-plugin doesn't seem to be available currently.
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03:29<Supaplex>!+info sun-java5-plugin lenny
03:29<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
03:29<dpkg>sun-java5-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-11-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
03:30<mjk>Errrrr .....
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03:30<Supaplex>do you have non-free in your sources.list?
03:30<mjk>Supaplex: "apt-cache policy sun-java5-plugin" gives me "Candidate: (none)"
03:31<mjk>Supaplex: I have /everything/ in my sources.list :-)
03:31<mjk>Supaplex: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
03:31<mjk>Supaplex: Okay, experimental and restricted might be missing.
03:31<Supaplex>Installed size: 72 kB lol
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03:31<mjk>:-)
03:32<Supaplex>java went on a diet ;)
03:32<mjk>Maybe that's 72 MB.
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03:32<themill>Supaplex: it's only the symlink.... it pulls in the entire jre
03:32<Supaplex>i know :)
03:32<themill>:)
03:33<mjk>So how can install the plugin? Although dpkg claims it's there, it's actually not. See also: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=sun-java5-plugin
03:33<themill>mjk: have you run an aptitude update since you changed your sources.list? are you running i386?
03:34<mjk>themill: I'm running A... oh. I'm running AMD64, I guess that's the problem ...
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03:34<themill>yep
03:36<mjk>So I'll now try to download the complete JRE from java.sun.com, extract the plugin, copy it to ~/.mozilla/plugins, run nspluginwrapper, and everything will be fine, right?
03:37<mjk>Strange ... on java.sun.com, they offer x64 packages.
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03:39<jm_>mjk: or simply get the JRE package and make the symlink yourself
03:39<mjk>jm_: Hm?
03:40<mjk>jm_: I'm currently downloading the x64 package, let's see if it contains a usable plugin. Or otherwise I'll use nspluginwrapper.
03:40<jm_>mjk: that's what plugin package does
03:40<alex_>ln -s /usr/java/jre-......./bin/java /usr/bin/java
03:41<jm_>PLUGINPTH=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/$PLUGIN
03:41<jm_>update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so mozilla-javaplugin.so $PLUGINPTH 53
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03:41<jm_>similar for iceweasel and iceape
03:42<mjk>jm_: I'll check that, thanks
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03:45<mjk>Argh! That x64 package from java.sun.com does /not/ contain the plugin, although SUN claims that. Grmf, trying x86 version.
03:46<jm_>ahh heh
03:46<jm_>that explains it then
03:46<Supaplex>~blame sun
03:46[~]dpkg blames jirka and sun for all the evil in the world
03:46<mjk>~blame XML
03:46[~]dpkg blames valdyn and XML for all the evil in the world
03:46<mjk>:-)
03:46<Supaplex>haha
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03:49<mjk>Noooooooo! "nspluginwrapper: libjavaplugin_oji.so is not a valid NPAPI plugin"
03:49<mjk>Help! :-}
03:49[~]mjk feels helpless. Maybe he's just getting old.
03:49<jm_>tryign to use 32bit version on 64bit arch?
03:49<mjk>jm_: Yes. That's what nspluginwrapper is for, and it works perfectly with the Flash plugin.
03:50<Supaplex>netscape don't like its coffee black. try some sugar ;)
03:50<jm_>mjk: check BTS maybe
03:50<mjk>aptitude install sugar
03:50<mjk>jm_: Okay
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03:51<peritus>what filesystem would you recommend to use with a compact flash card with IDE-adapter that should be used as root filesystem?
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03:58<jm_>mjk: btw I thought there is finally 64bit flash plugin available these days
03:58<mjk>jm_: At least there wasn't a few weeks ago.
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03:59<jm_>mjk: 2007-07-24] flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.48.0.2 MIGRATED to testing
03:59<mjk>Whoa, cool!
03:59<jm_>previously it was added in april
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04:01<manphiz>is it native 64bit or wrapped by nsplugin? anyway, it works :)
04:01<mjk>jm_: Now I just need sun-java6-plugin to finally be added (again?) to testing. Or a working nspluginwrapper (no entry in BTS). Or more patience. ;-)
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04:02<jm_>mjk: alternatively you could use i386 release :)))
04:03<mjk>jm_: GRRRRRrr ... *growl*
04:03<mjk>jm_: ;-)
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04:07<skefe>Hi!
04:07<skefe>I need help
04:08<mjk>!ask
04:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
04:08<skefe>OK
04:08<skefe>sorry!
04:08<mjk>No problem.
04:08<skefe>I'm trying to install Debian 4.0 on a PC104
04:08<skefe>INTEL BASED
04:08<skefe>I have an USB CD ROM
04:09<skefe>by BIOS I can start the boot from CD ROM
04:09<skefe>but when requiring installation packages...
04:09<skefe>the installer cannot see the CD ROM
04:09<skefe>I'm not so a good user with LINX
04:09<skefe>LINUX, sorry
04:10<skefe>and I don't know how to mount USB cdrom
04:10<skefe>from the shell
04:10<skefe>Any suggestion?
04:10<jm_>it's the same as any othe rdevic
04:10<jm_>device
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04:10<Supaplex>you'll need to detect hardware before you can mount devices
04:11<skefe>the installer detects hardware...
04:11<jm_>grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
04:11<Supaplex>skefe: is windows already on the box? if so, use http://www.goodbye-windows.com/
04:11<skefe>but it cannot find CDROM
04:11<jm_>run that command, see if you have device for it
04:11<skefe>ok
04:11<skefe>please wait
04:12<skefe>I'm rebooting the machine
04:12<skefe>it's near to me :-P
04:13<jm_>you might also reduce your enter key usage
04:13<skefe>now a message says me that no CDROM was detected
04:14<jm_>change to 2nd tty and run the above command on it
04:14<skefe>and ask me to load from separate disk the drivers
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04:14<ntbnnt>...
04:14<Supaplex>lsmod | grep usb
04:14<skefe>wait
04:14<Supaplex>s/usb/$iforget/ (I think my brain is off)
04:15<skefe>ok this is the answer of the command
04:15<skefe>I see one usbstorage
04:15<skefe>one scsi_mod
04:16<Supaplex>is there a /dev/sr0 ?
04:16<skefe>no...
04:16<skefe>ide core
04:16<skefe>usb core
04:17<skefe>under ide core I see usb_storage
04:17<Supaplex>is the cdrom known to work on linux before?
04:17<skefe>I've just download the cd from debian site!
04:17<Supaplex>usb_storage is harddisk/flash/etc (I believe)
04:18<skefe>ok...
04:18<skefe>there's no istance of this... (no pen drive in USB port!)
04:18<Supaplex>bios takes care of booting, and the bootloader throws the kernel and initrd in memory. that's they only reason you can get around... mostly.
04:18<Supaplex>the module can still be loaded but not in use.
04:18<Supaplex>that's normal
04:19<skefe>so...
04:19<skefe>what can I do?
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04:19<Supaplex>well, it's suppose to be a scsi passthrough, so gimmie a min.
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04:19<skefe>ok take your time!
04:20<Supaplex>is sr_mod loaded?
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04:20<skefe>how to know?
04:21<_Staz>hey Supaplex, is there a place that explains in detail what each kernel module does?
04:21<Supaplex>lsmod | grep sr.mod
04:21<skefe>no rows...
04:21<Supaplex>_Staz: in make menuconfig. modinfo can tell you after it's built (but it's very terse)
04:22<jm_>or read the source
04:22<alex_>lol read the source
04:22<Supaplex>skefe: find /lib/ -name sr\*mod\*
04:22<Supaplex>no! it's open source! don't read it! </fud>
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04:25<skefe>found!
04:25<_Staz>heh, terse is right :)
04:26<Supaplex>skefe: modprobe sk_mod
04:26<Supaplex>stupid reboots. /dev/hdc1 has gone 470 days without being checked, check forced.
04:26<Supaplex>try getting windows to do that.
04:26<skefe>no module...
04:27<skefe>not found anyway!
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04:27<Supaplex>try insmod and the filename
04:27<skefe>the same of the command find, right?
04:28<skefe>I mean the result of that command
04:28<Supaplex>yea
04:28<skefe>ok, performing!
04:28<skefe>wait please
04:29[~]Supaplex waits for fsck to finish on the tiny 160gb hdd
04:29<Supaplex>swchweet.
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04:30<Supaplex>it finished with 0 errors. :P
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04:31<skefe>no error response!
04:31<Supaplex>lsmod | grep sr
04:32<skefe>I see a beautifull CDROM in the list....
04:32<skefe>it's a good new?
04:33<Supaplex>yes
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04:33<skefe>:-)
04:33<skefe>now I try to recognize the cdrom by installer?
04:33<Supaplex>yup
04:33<skefe>(sorry for my poor english :-( )
04:33<Supaplex>it's pretty straight forward
04:33<Supaplex>you're fine
04:34<skefe>so, no I'll exit the shell and start the cdrom detection tool from the instllation menu...
04:34<skefe>do you confirm?
04:34<skefe>now I'll
04:36<skefe>no CDROM detected!
04:36<skefe>I have to mount it?
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04:38<Supaplex>skefe: some of the install developers are in #debian-boot
04:38<skefe>ok...
04:38<skefe>I'll join them!
04:39<skefe>SUPAPLEX:...
04:39<Supaplex>you can reboot and try it again, or try a live linux cd. (if that works, the installer should)
04:39<skefe>THANK FOR YOUR TIME!
04:39<skefe>bye!
04:39<Supaplex>good luck =)
04:39<skefe>I need!
04:39<skefe>:-(
04:39<jm_>run grep command
04:39<Supaplex>or you can pull the harddrive and install it on a different pc, and replace it when you are done
04:40<Supaplex>grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
04:41<skefe>no rows!
04:41<skefe>join #debian-boot
04:42<jm_>hopefully that was with no reboot in between
04:42<billy5>hi there! why isn't defragmentation needed on ext3 partitions?
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04:43<cahoot>billy5, IIRC because the degradation of performance is not so big
04:44<Supaplex>/dev/hdc1: 1739/38176 files (17.6% non-contiguous), 36922253/39072080 blocks
04:44<Supaplex>until it gets full. :P
04:45<skefe>no help from debian-boot!
04:45<skefe>:-(
04:45<skefe>I've got a KNOPPIX live cd...
04:45<skefe>could be good?
04:45<jm_>skefe: what does uname -r say?
04:45<klys>the filesystem is randomized on purpose, due to some research that led to the conclusion that this results in better storage management
04:46<ntbnnt>eat me jm_
04:47<Supaplex>skefe: test it. if it works, there's hope on the installer. the #debian-boot channel isn't very active. (be patient)
04:48<skefe>2.6.18-4-486
04:48<Supaplex>is there a maximum filesize on dvd?
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04:48<skefe>the kernel version
04:48<jm_>Supaplex: there is almost always a maximum file size ;)
04:48<klys>4.7 GB
04:48<klys>oh, ;)
04:48<klys>2 GB
04:48<Supaplex>I wonder why the 4.0gb file was hosed.
04:49<Supaplex>ouu really?
04:49<jm_>that's OK, but I wonder why kernel doesn't say 1 for removable
04:49<klys>your kernel can support large files, though
04:49<jm_>Supaplex: ISO9660 has 2G limit
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04:49<jm_>for one extension or so
04:49<Supaplex>growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J dir/ turned the 4190074972 byte file into -something
04:50<jm_>yeah you'll have to use UDF, and even then hope that 1G barrier for UDF fs has been fixed by now
04:50<Supaplex>does RR support bigger?
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04:50<billy5>does journalling impact write-performance and/or read-performance on ext3fs?
04:51<jm_>nope, RR won't help with this
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04:51<jm_>billy5: yes
04:51<padski>billy5: you should go look for some numbers, but my guess would be 'yes' :-)
04:53<billy5>thx
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04:56<klys>hey what do you guys have open?
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04:57<billy5>klys: source
04:57<klys>emacs?
04:57<billy5>klys: xchat
04:57<jm_>28 X clients right now
04:58[~]klys has emacs, man, irssi, emacs, gedit, lftp, xmms, firefox
04:59<klys>and sometimes nautilus
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05:02<klys>...and aumix too
05:03<Supaplex>synergy, kmail, konsole (4 sessions), psi, ksensors, and pitcher of koolaid
05:03<klys>n1ce
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05:05<klys>synergy might be cool because my clipboard situation needs help
05:07<klys>I have to highlight in irssi with gpm, paste from the kernel, echo to xclip, chvt 25, check firefox, ctrl+T, ctrl+V, cr
05:07<klys>the reverse process can be even more of a pain
05:07[~]Supaplex preps his dvd backup with split --verbose -b 512m -d mirror.gz mirror.gz_split_
05:07<jm_>uhm why not run irssi in X then?
05:07<klys>erm, because I like my tty
05:08<koollman>first ... use screen
05:08<jm_>ok then suffer
05:08<Supaplex>behold screen -xr
05:08<klys>you can share a screen right?
05:08<klys>k
05:08<koollman>yes
05:08<jm_>of course
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05:08<Supaplex>behold screen -xr :)
05:08<klys>;)
05:08<Supaplex>^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^
05:09<Supaplex>if you've missed out on screen, I feel soooo bad for you. :-D
05:10[~]klys is now typing in screen -xr from gterm
05:10<klys>many things are whited out and not visible
05:10<Supaplex>note to self. feed dvd drive *before* growisofs
05:10<Supaplex>-xr connects to an existing session (now shared)
05:11<klys>white on black: better now
05:11<Supaplex>it might work better if your term is black background.
05:11<Supaplex>yeah :)
05:13<klys>supaplex: have you seen my project at freshmeat?
05:14<Supaplex>fm has zillions of projects.
05:14<klys>hmce
05:14<billy5>how to create an initrd.img for a fresh compiled kernel?
05:15<Supaplex>i remember my lastjob my boss got nervous when I typed in http://freshmeat.net/
05:15<klys>haha
05:15<Supaplex>until he knew what it was :)
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05:17<klys>SeriousS: are you machek?
05:18<klys>hmm, guess not
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05:20<Supaplex>loose your chek?
05:21<klys>well, machek is famous
05:21<jm_>billy5: make it so you don't need one
05:22<Supaplex>!tell billy5 -about kp
05:22<Supaplex>billy5: don't forget --initrd
05:24<harpal>I have made a .deb file and in that I have to use my own conf file instead of that conf file that original one. What should I do?
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05:25<klys>make sure the right dh_ tool from debhelper reads your conffile
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05:26<billy5>oh thx
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05:26<klys>you should have the list from the dpkg-buildpackage sequence
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05:26<harpal>so I have to look at that dh_tool and see that how to change that right?
05:27<klys>supaplex: what did you think of the idea behind hmce?
05:27<klys>harpal: how did you generate a package?
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05:29<harpal>first I have untar my source than I have ran dh_make --createorig and then I have done dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
05:30<klys>viewing the output of dpkg-buildpackage, you have proably something that would tell you
05:30<klys>s/oal/obal/
05:30<klys>heck
05:30<klys>probably
05:30<Supaplex>klys: lots of buzzword rubbish w/o explination. I dispise speculitive works. so I'm indifferent overall.
05:30<klys>all the dh_ tools in sequence if you ask me
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05:32<harpal>to install my startup script I have enable dh_installinit in debian/rules file.
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05:32<klys>er, buzzwords: hierarchical (rarely or never used as a buzzword) multi-cursor (also not used) editor (yes a buzzword, this is the type of program)
05:33<klys>do you prefer, terminal, console, or textscreen? editor I thought was pretty close
05:33<Supaplex>which makes no sense to me.
05:33<klys>ok, buzzwords make sense
05:33<klys>in general
05:34<Supaplex>what are you suppose to do with it?
05:34<klys>well, share text hierarchies
05:34<jm_>create text full of buzzwords!
05:34<Supaplex>it is some lame mind game to say it's irc?
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05:35<klys>no, it wasn't irc, it doesn't act interactive. it's supposed to aim towards collaborative activity
05:35<Supaplex>we're all in hierarchical chat channels with our own cursors on a shared editor
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05:35<klys>right, think of it
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05:35<Supaplex>ah . ok.
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05:36<peppe_>yes
05:36<klys>peppe: we were just discussing freshmeat.net/projects/hmce (in case you were interested)
05:37<klys>I value your opinion
05:37<peppe_>Klys: where is the list of people in this chatroom?
05:37<klys>peppe_: /topic
05:37<Supaplex>peppe_: /names
05:37<klys>ok
05:38<klys> /names
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05:38<Kebianizao>hello
05:38<klys>'lo
05:38<Kebianizao>I'm trying to run sysprof and I get this error:
05:38<@Ganneff>are you discussing to make a debian package out of it? if not please take it elsewhere. thx.
05:38<Kebianizao>sysprof: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.17.50.20070426.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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05:38<Kebianizao>how is that linked against that old lib?
05:38<peppe_>first time is use irc for linux. normaly i am windows vista user
05:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 314] by debhelper
05:39<satheesh>sandy
05:39<alex_>Kebianizao, try ldconfig /usr/local/lib
05:39<klys>ganneff: I have little to no experience as a package maintainer; to me the most important thing was shipping a working version of the code
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05:39<klys>ganneff: I wouldn't know where to begin. it doesn't seem very clear
05:39<Kebianizao>alex_: as root?
05:40<alex_>Kebianizao, or, search for the file (the harsh old fashoned way) : find / | grep libbfd-2
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05:40<alex_>Kebianizao, yes
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05:40<satheesh>Hi i want to know how to copy a xml file while doing make install
05:40<Supaplex>Kebianizao: show: dpkg -l sysprof | grep sysprof
05:40<Kebianizao>alex_ that command gives nothing
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05:40<alex_>Kebianizao, the first command shouldnt, it just rechecks your libs etc
05:40<Kebianizao>ii sysprof 1.0.8-2 A system-wide linux profiler
05:41<Kebianizao>alex_: dpkg -S libbfd
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05:41<Kebianizao>binutils: /usr/lib/libbfd-2.17.50.20070801.so
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05:41<klys>ganneff: are you discussing some channel rule that would constrict programmers from finding package maintainers?
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05:42<ce_ja>cgvvfdgggggjj
05:42<Supaplex>pdo is taking it's sweet time... *yawn*
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05:42<klys>if he doesn't speak up in 5 I'm ignoring his comment
05:42<@Ganneff>klys: this is a support channel, you are unlikely to find a packager here. you want to either submit a bug to the wnpp package (run reportbug wnpp) or simply wait until someone is interested. if its a good app that will happen anyway. :)
05:42<alex_>Kebianizao, so youll probably need to make a symlink for sysprof to /usr/lib/libbfd-2.17..etc
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05:43<Supaplex>!btssmite Kebianizao
05:43[~]dpkg beats Kebianizao around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if Kebianizao is running Unstable
05:43<Supaplex>Kebianizao: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=434361
05:43<ce_ja>hai
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05:43<Kebianizao>Supaplex: I deserve it, you're right
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05:44<Supaplex>reportted 16 days old; Modified 16 days ago. :P
05:44<Kebianizao>but you have to admit that having such a grave bug for so long it not that usual
05:44<Supaplex>maybe javier forgot. :)
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05:45<Kebianizao>moreover it's the first time I try to use sysprof and I had no idea of it, but I'll what can I do
05:45<Supaplex>anywho, time to catch some zzzz'z
05:45<Supaplex>well, good luck. :)
05:46<klys>ganneff: we had a cool conversation about sharing screen with -xr and I had every inkling to bring it up. we were in good company. you're heckling me.
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05:48<satheesh_>Hi
05:48<klys>hil
05:49<simon444>hi0z
05:49<simon444>lo0z
05:49<klys>'lo 2u2
05:49<satheesh_>Can you let me know how to copy a xml to /usr/local/lib/ by modifying configure.ac
05:50[~]klys doesn't know autoconf, prefers makefiles
05:51<jm_>configure shouldn't copy anything to /usr/local/lib
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05:51<klys>${prefix}/lib
05:52<billy5>where do I find information about the vga= boot option?
05:52<jm_>kernel docs
05:52<klys>kernel Documentation directory
05:52<klys>in /usr/src
05:52<billy5>ok, thx, I'll look after it there... :)
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05:58<satheesh_>Ok what about Makefile
05:59<klys>read make.info (info make)
06:00<klys>if you package your app, debian/rules will be or call your makefile
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06:02<klys>all the features normally passed to configure are normally from a list statically defined in debian/rules.
06:03<klys>probably the best way to handle this from a single app is to make it echo your variable settings to another makefile that you can include from your main makefile
06:04<klys>all the arch defines can be taken from gcc -v
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06:04<klys>so they are built-in and you don't need evidence of them in the makefile
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06:05<billy5>... as the debian installer starts, the screen begins to flicker which makes it useless... it tried some videomodes (0-5)... screen is fine just before the installer starts... help!
06:06<Kebianizao>billy5: have you tried text mode?
06:06<billy5>yes
06:06<klys>it's probably using intelfb. try vesafb instead
06:07<Kebianizao>billy5: laptop? model?
06:08<billy5>laptop, model: elitegroup GREEN320
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06:09<Kebianizao>do as klys say, I think is adding vga=vesafb, but not sure
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06:09<billy5>thx, will try that
06:10<klys>vga=0x317 video=vesafb
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06:10<klys>it's 1024x768x16
06:11<jm_>try pressing F6 and read
06:11<jm_>and F8
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06:11<billy5>ok... mom
06:12<klys>billy5: incidentally, since you are using a framebuffer now, ask me later about the bdf font and lct package that supports it
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06:14<billy5>how wonderful is that...
06:14<billy5>tried vga=0x317 video=vesafb
06:14<billy5>but... what is a framebuffer and why do i need it?
06:15<klys>your system is now capable of graphics and graphics/text (simultaneous) on all of your ttys (without X)
06:15<Kebianizao>billy5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framebuffer
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06:16<Kebianizao>why is the /usr/lib/libbfd.so link provided by binutils-dev and not binutils?
06:16<klys>what links against it?
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06:16<billy5>ok. thx :)
06:16<klys>nothing good links against binutils :O
06:17<Kebianizao>in unstable it links against libbfd-2.17.50.20070804.so
06:17<klys>oh, and binutils is not designed to offer libbfd as a library
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06:18<Kebianizao>and that file belongs to binutils, yeah!
06:18<klys>it should allow you to assemble, link, archive, show symbols, strip, add symbols to an archive (ranlib), and a few other things but libbfd is private.
06:18<Kebianizao>klys: and which should provide libbfd
06:19<Kebianizao>question ^
06:20<klys>provide what access to libbfd? because you need to understand why it is not available to developers
06:20<Kebianizao>sorry, I'll refrase. Since libbfd is private I understand it should be provided by binutils-dev, right?
06:21<klys>ok
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06:22<Kebianizao>but in that case: a) why is it provided by binutils and b) why sysprof binary is using it?
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06:23<klys>sysprof reads a binary to set breakpoints in memory. it uses the library.
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06:26<Kebianizao>then the klys binary should need the binutils-dev package and binutil-dev should include libbfd binary, right?
06:27<klys>notice the strict versioning in the dependency.
06:27<Kebianizao>yep, I saw, but still don't you think libbfd should be in binutils-dev?
06:28<klys>well, it's required by ld, among others
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06:28<klys>all of the binutils package is built with libbfd
06:28<Kebianizao>in that case why is the /usr/lib/libbfd.so bundled in binutils instead of binutils-dev
06:29<Kebianizao>question ^
06:29<padski>is there a recent documents menu in KDE that I just have to switch on ?
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06:29<klys>kebianizao: imagine if a programmer started using that instead of vfork/execl
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06:30<Kebianizao>klys: I don't get you, sorry. My skills have reached that point yet
06:30<personman>is there an easy way to install real player? I tried the way on debian-multimedia.org and apt-get doesn't find the package
06:31<personman>running etch btw
06:31<Kebianizao>personman: distro and paste sources.list
06:31<personman>sure
06:31<klys>kebianizao: the library isn't commonly available. the version mismathes make it hard to program for anyway (so I hear)
06:31<klys>s/math/match/
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06:32<Kebianizao>ok, I say beacause sysprof should link against libbfd and not against libbfd-some-version.so, IMHO
06:32<personman>deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ etch main
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06:32<personman>is the line i'm using
06:32<personman>i get an error regarding the packages signiture
06:33<personman>or, the sources signiture, rather
06:33<jm_>that would only work if it's rebuilt etc. each time new binutils version reaches sid
06:33<klys>kebianizao: they're going to have to update sysprof regularly with binutils changes anyway
06:33<Kebianizao>personman: have you seen the faq: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html
06:33<jm_>personman: it's a warning, not an error
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06:34<personman>ok, thats sort of what I thought, but then when i do apt-get install realplayer it doesn't find anything
06:34<personman>yep :/
06:34<jm_>it is there, WFM
06:34<Kebianizao>klys: is not possible to have a sysprof more loosely tied to libbfd?
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06:34<klys>there is no loose tie to bfds in general
06:35<klys>kebianizao: notice how crt0.o configurations and link scripts change with gcc compiler updates
06:36<Kebianizao>so it's only possible a 1<->1 relation
06:36<klys>realistically
06:36<Kebianizao>then, the only problem is to rebuild package using the unstable binutils everytime it changes
06:36<Kebianizao>I think I understand
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06:40<AzaTht>is there any viable alternatives to projectfiles firewall?
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06:44<klys>azatht: what is this firewall preventing? what should it prevent?
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06:44<chandu>h
06:44<chandu>hi
06:44<klys>hil
06:44<AzaTht>klys: I've used it for a long time, but the upstream dissapeared
06:45<chandu>during the booting , I am getting "Port is slow to respont" message
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06:45<chandu>ata2: port is slow to respond
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06:45<klys>as long as the license is still good, you should release the new package
06:45<chandu>ata2: port failed to respond (30 secs , status 0x80)
06:46<chandu>But after sometime booting progress
06:46<klys>chandu: what is attached to your tertiary ide channel?
06:46<chandu>klys, I didnt get you
06:47<klys>primary, secondary, tertiary, quarternary, etc. see: how to count
06:47<chandu>klys, Its cdrom
06:47<klys>is that secondary master?
06:48<chandu>klys, please wait ..Let me check and tell you .. the problem system is in my lab ..I will just check and update you
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06:50<klys>dmesg | grep ata, look for ata1, ata??anything else
06:51<peritus>what filesystem would you recommend to use with a compact flash card with IDE-adapter that should be used as root filesystem?
06:52<klys>vfat
06:52<klys>mkdosfs
06:52<jm_>peritus: read only or what?
06:52<peritus>jm_: no, not read-only
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06:53<peritus>mostly reads
06:53<peritus>tmp will be tmpfs etc
06:54<klys>use a loopback filesystem for any linux-related filesystem structiure
06:54<klys>s/iure/ure/
06:54<Kebianizao>klys: why fat and not any other /serious/ fs?
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06:55<klys>CF is isable in a photo lab ;)
06:55<klys>usable
06:55<peritus>what about JFFS2?
06:55<Kebianizao>klys: what if it only uses the card on a Debian system?
06:55<klys>ext3 is journalling, you can -o loop jffs2 as well I suppose
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06:56<peritus>klys, Kebianizao: yeah, it will be used on a debian server, no photo labs
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06:57<klys>uptime requirements?
06:58<klys>this is practically removable storage you've got
06:58<peritus>i have a raid5-array, i just want to boot of the CF-card and use it as /
06:58<peritus>i dont want to worry about disk-crash on /
06:58<klys>everything on my / is root/root
06:59<peritus>what do you mean?
06:59<klys>your permission handling requirements there are vague
07:00<peritus>so using vfat would be fine?
07:00<klys>I think it would work
07:00<peritus>id like to have to ability to have something else than root/root
07:00<klys>then use ext3
07:01<peritus>alright
07:01<peritus>is journaling needed?
07:01<klys>it's my recommendation since you want alternate booting options (cd, etc.)
07:01<klys>depends on the size of the device
07:02<peritus>alternate booting options?
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07:02<klys>knoppix
07:02<peritus>the CF card is 4GB
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07:02<klys>ext2 would work fine
07:02<klys>it's just that ext3 fsck times are faster
07:03<klys>...usually
07:03<peritus>fsck times does not matter
07:03<klys>ext2 would work
07:03<peritus>hopefully it wont reboot too often
07:03<klys>if going with ext2, try slink or potato boot cd. it can be compatible with 2.0.x kernels
07:03<peritus>what?
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07:04<klys>I mean, 2.0.x won't boot some later versions of ext2
07:04<satheesh_>can cp used in Makefile
07:04<klys>yes
07:04<satheesh_>Makefile.am
07:04<klys>not by policy, though. install
07:04<peritus>what are you talking about? slink and potato? why would i use them? i am going to use etch and 2.6
07:04<klys>right. no toys here
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07:05<klys>ever boot busybox?
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07:06<ranix>you want to use jffs2 on a flash card
07:06<ranix>or yaffs
07:06<ranix>not ext2
07:07<ranix>that would be retarded
07:07<klys>why
07:07<ranix>because it would be like putting a square peg in a round hole
07:07[~]stew is seemingly retarded then
07:07<klys>flash file system ?
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07:08<flips_>Hi! I'm setting up a an automated install of etch using preseed, and after the install is completed, aptitude/apt-get upgrade insist linux-image-2.6-686 needs to be upgraded (apt-get install doesn't), and since this is a newer build of the same version, it insists on displaying a warning. I want to get rid of that warning, and tried various ways with no luck. Any ideas?
07:08<stew>ranix: why is putting ext2 on a flash card akin to putting a sqare peg in a round hole?
07:08<chandu>klys, I have pasted the output of "dmesg|grep ata" , here .
07:08<chandu>klys, http://pastebin.ca/649791 have a look at it
07:09<lupine>stew: anything that entails frequent writes to a flash card is a Bad Idea
07:09<klys>so it is the cdrom plug
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07:09<stew>lupine: yes, i know
07:09<lupine>ah, cool
07:09<ranix>yaffs and jffs minimize the number of times the same sectors are written, spreading writes out over the whole volume. Also, it's not difficult to debootstrap to a ffs, and it's the right tool for the job. You're not going to kill the drive with ext2 if it's read-only, but you will kill it if it's rw
07:09<chandu>klys, you mean ata2 is the cdrom plug
07:10<stew>lupine: i'm going to have my usb keys mounted sync anyway, so any change i make is going to be written immediately no matter what the filesystem
07:10<klys>chandu: the cdrom plug has the problem you are facing
07:10<lupine>fair enough
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07:10<Berge>You won't kill newer CF cards easily anyway, as they distribute writing all over themselves automagically.
07:10[~]lupine loves the way AspisOS deals with flash cards
07:10<chandu>klys, ok ..what is the problem with cdrom plug ..How do I correct it
07:10<ranix>Berge: I think you are not speaking truth
07:10<peritus>Berge: does the CF-card or the controller do that?
07:10<MoDaX>flips_: try running with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive
07:10<Berge>peritus: The card, afaik.
07:11<ranix>you're wrong
07:11<chandu>klys, is there any kernel-parameter so that I can freeze that msgt displaying
07:11<peritus>Berge: why would JFFS2 be needed at all if the cards spread the information by themselves?
07:11<Kebianizao>chandu: use scroll lock
07:11<klys>chandu: first, try a different port
07:11<Berge>peritus: They didn't before, perhaps?
07:11<chandu>klys, ok
07:11<Kebianizao>chandu: then shift-pageup/down
07:11<Berge>I'm sorry if I'm wrong, I can't point anywhere else than to friends working with embedded stuff.
07:11<peritus>Berge: allright, when did they start doing that? how do i know my card does it?
07:12<chandu>Kebianizao, scroll lock ..pageup-pgdown ..for what
07:12<ranix>I'm sure there's a little magical IC in every flash drive that abstracts all writes and rearranges them with sorcery
07:12<flips_>MoDaX: Thanks, I'll try that (already tried "debconf --frontend=readline apt-get -f -qq upgrade ...", with no luck
07:12<Berge>peritus: "Lately", I think. I'll see if I can check it.
07:12<Kebianizao>chandu: if I understood correctly you want to stop kernel messages
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07:12<ranix>my flash drive can turn people into frogs if I wave it at someone and read passages of a Harry Potter book
07:13<peritus>ranix: so your vote goes to jffs2?
07:13<chandu>Kebianizao, sorry not kernel messages ..I want to freeze only the error what I am getting
07:13<ranix>peritus: that's what I use when I boot from a flash drive
07:13<chandu>Kebianizao, I mean its taking some time to detect ata2 ..so I want to suppress that
07:13<peritus>ranix: okay, it seems to be the safest choice, magic in the card or not..
07:14<chandu>klys, different port in the sense ..connectin cdrom into different port
07:14<ranix>peritus: don't forget to recharge your card once in awhile by shaking it in the moonlight
07:14<klys>chandu: yes
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07:14<chandu>klys, how you identified that cdrom plug is the problem ..what is the methodology to analyse
07:15<chandu>klys, do I need to change anything in BIOS
07:15<chandu>klando, by SATA EMULATION in BIOS is set to raid
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07:15<klys>chandu: clear problem coming from kernel SATA driver. the driver is specialized for your hardware. is there anything standing between the hardware and software: not really.
07:16<peritus>ranix: right, thanks
07:16<chandu>klys, my SATA EMULATION in BIOS is set to RAID and I am passing combined_mode=libata as my kernel-parameter
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07:16<klys>chandu: so you think it may be bussing the cd into a virtual array?
07:17<chandu>klys, yes
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07:17<chandu>klys, but really I am not sure .. Iam not much aware of the hardware
07:17<Berge>ranix: According to both my friend i Atmel and the Wikipedia node (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompactFlash), the controller in a CF will attempt to distribute writes to various places.
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07:18<Berge>ranix: This is by no means my field, so I might be wrong, though.
07:18<klys>chandu: find another kernel option then, see the kernel Documentation
07:19<chandu>klando, ya I was looking into that ..but I couldnt find the solution
07:19<chandu>klys, ya I was looking into that ..but I couldnt find the solution
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07:19<Berge>ranix: Adding to that, "newer" (for some definition) CF's will stand 1M writes to the same place.
07:20<chandu>klys, let me check by changing the port ..will get back to u !!
07:20<klys>berge: how hard could this be? find a free sector (what filesystem?) randomly, write there instead, free the original location. this is best done at the fs level.
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07:20<Berge>klys: No idea. It might be COW, I dunno. Seek time is constant, though, so you might be able to do it without speed loss.
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07:22<klys>do what type of freeing? and is it able to detect anything strange that might defect the default behavior (vfat)?
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07:23<klys>if there is some chip that expects a fat on my CF, I'd like to know
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07:26<kdean06>I'm attempting to burn an audio CD using some GTK app. When I use Nautilus the disc is burnt in data mode, even if I select "Make Audio CD". Gnomebaker doesn't work, it begins spitting out errors when it gets to the burning part. Can anyone recommend another burning app that is GTK/Gnome centric?
07:26<lupine>cdrecord? ;)
07:26<kdean06>I knew that was coming. :D
07:26<lupine>I use k3b for all my burning, sorry
07:26<kdean06>I might have to... I need something to listen to on my way to work. :)
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07:27<cahoot>the interesting part would be the type of errors reported
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07:27<lupine>cahoot: this is linux. We don't fix problems, we sidestep them! ;)
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07:27<enseven>Hi! I have got an Server, that sees 1 Volume over two fibre channel paths, e.g. /dev/sdd and /dev/sde. With multipath-tools I can create a device in /dev/mapper that uses both paths. Generally there is the possibility to set priorities. At the moment all priorities are the same, and the first path found is used. But it varies which is found first. I would like to set different priorities to configure which path should be prefered. Does anyo
07:27<enseven>ne know how to do this? See http://paste.uni.cc/16917
07:28<klys>kdean06: easy, commandline approach
07:28<Berge>klys: I don't know. This is not my field at all (-: But hard drives reorganises data to match platter spin (like BSD FFS did).
07:28<kdean06>cahoot, I'm certainly going to report it, or see if it's been reported, but as of now I don't have time. :)
07:28<Berge>klys: They might be doing something similiar?
07:28<Berge>similar, even
07:29<cahoot>kdean06, what I meant was: the type of error you get might give a clue to the cause/remedy
07:30<klys>the most intimidating part of cdrecord is the man page
07:30<cahoot>kdean06, unless of course they all relate to the gui
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07:30<Kebianizao>I would s/cdrecord/wodim
07:31<kdean06>cahoot, The app freezes if I take focus away... The "general" issues is that it can't open the SCSI ID because it's using deprecated syntax... Lemme re-run. :S
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07:32<klys>cdrecord dev=2,0,0 -audio -pad file.wav
07:32<klys>or, cdrecord speed=24 dev=ATAPI:0,0 -audio -pad file.wav
07:33<cahoot>dev=/dev/cdrom?
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07:33<klys>first is sr_mod, second is ide_cd
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07:34<stew>klys: if you are using ATAPI, you don't need sr_mod, that is for scsi (assuming you are using a 2.6 kernel)
07:34<CutMeOwnThroat>duh
07:34<CutMeOwnThroat>what's that
07:34<klys>ide_scsi
07:34<CutMeOwnThroat>!das ist
07:34<dpkg>dasdasdasdasdasdaspaddestoelpaddestoeldasdasdasdasdasdasslaaaaaaangoooheeenslaaaaaaang!
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07:34<stew>klys: are you trying to burn with a 2.4 kernel?
07:35<klys>well, it works with either
07:35<stew>klys: you shouldn't use ide_scsi with 2.6
07:35<klys>...unless you like pktcdvd
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07:37<Kebianizao>klys: unfortunately pktcdvd is not usable on CDs
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07:38<klys>the cd-rw is the real mony in America
07:38<klys>money
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07:40<fxiny>CutMeOwnThroat: hey ! das ich ectoplasm ! i had to degauss my screen! wt4x !
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07:40<CutMeOwnThroat>??
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07:41<CutMeOwnThroat>!das asdfa
07:41<dpkg>dasdasdasdasdasdaspaddestoelpaddestoeldasdasdasdasdasdasslaaaaaaangoooheeenslaaaaaaang!
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07:41<CutMeOwnThroat>pretty weird
07:41[~]klys degausses fxiny's screen for him ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
07:41<fxiny>i-gnucius save us all from the i-das
07:43<fxiny>klys: ^^^^
07:43<klys>what we need here, men, are ideas
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07:46<fxiny>ideas ? nahhhh : all i are alrady taken
07:46<fxiny>already*
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07:54<fxiny>CutMeOwnThroat: :P
07:54<chandu>klys, If I disconnect the cddrive ..then that message is not coming
07:54<klys>fxiny: hard to find anyone that really believes that
07:54<chandu>klys, but If I connect and boot ..it gives that message ..and boots the system
07:54<chandu>klys, IF I see "dmesg|grep cdrom" for knowing my cdrom node ..it shows nothing
07:54<chandu>klys, I mean cdrom is not detected
07:55<klys>chandu: what are your latest kernel parameters? find anything new in the docs?
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07:55<dallix>hello?
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07:55<klys>'lo
07:55<chandu>klys,I thought I can pass noprobe to the node of cdrom
07:56<chandu>klys, that is if cd is hdc, then hdc=noprobe as the kernel parameter
07:56<klys>chandu: do you?
07:56<chandu>klys, But I am not getting which node it is taking ..hdc or sdc or someother thing
07:56<klys>chandu: SATA is sd?
07:56<chandu>klys, dmesg|grep cdrom ..is not showing any output
07:56<chandu>klys, But only sda1 is there in dmesg output
07:56<jm_>CD won't be sd anyway
07:56<chandu>klys, it means only hard disk sda1 is detected
07:56<klys>chandu: sda1 is your array
07:57<klys>...I'm guessing sda1 is your array, sorry
07:57<fxiny>klys: about true ideas or i-deas ?
07:57<klys>meta-ideas
07:57<Kebianizao>bye and thanks
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07:57<chandu>klys, ok ..if sda1 is my array ..then what would be the cdrom
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07:58<dallix>hi
07:58<chandu>klys, other thing is ..once system boots .. I am not able to open the cdrom drive..
07:58<klys>chandu: then it wasn't probed. sr0
07:58<klys>modprobe sr_mod
07:58<chandu>klys, I mean If I press the button in cd drive ..it is not ejecting ..its locked
07:58<klys>that's probably the BIOS default for it
07:59<chandu>klys, which one ..sr
07:59<dallix>hey i have a question about installing edebian
07:59<dallix>is any one there?
07:59[~]klys waves
08:00<chandu>dallix, whats your query
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08:02<CutMeOwnThroat>that was easy...
08:02<CutMeOwnThroat>laters
08:03<bartair>hi
08:03<klys>hil
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08:03<bartair>do somebody know how to install debian etch on a Rescue-System? i meen download a iso and mount it ...
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08:04<klys>wget ?
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08:06<fxiny>a resuce cd ? how's the debian live going ?
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08:06<schlurchz>Hi, can someone tell what's the purpose of dump(8) labels set with the -L option?
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08:06<schlurchz>The manpage doesn't say anything helpful about it.
08:06<bartair>no the system is booting by network from a hostprovider
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08:06<chandu>klys, sr_mod is probed .."lsmod" output shows that module is loaded
08:06<schlurchz>... and Google neither.
08:07<dallix>hello can some one tell me how to install debian via floppies and the internet?
08:07<chandu>klys, but sr0 node is not present in /dev
08:08<klys>chandu: did modprobe detect sr0 in dmesg | tail ?
08:08<fxiny>bartair: do you want something like this ? : http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
08:09<klys>dallix: you want http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
08:09<chandu>klys, no it didnot
08:10<gsimmons>!tell dallix -about i-g
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08:11<bartair>fxiny thanks...
08:11<klys>dallix: install a minimal etch system then dist-upgrade to sid before you install firefox or openoffice
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08:11<bartair>when i have a iso on a dwonloaded how can i mout the iso?
08:11<dallix>umm klys I'm a linux nebie
08:12<dallix>can you say that in english?
08:12<fxiny>bartair: np
08:12<klys>dallix: you can try etch if you want. sid is unsupported.
08:13<chandu>klys, klando no modprobe is not detecting sr0
08:13<klys>chandu: it may be that you can't get it because of the noprobe. see the source for probing it. look at other options
08:14<chandu>klys, I am not doing no probe anywhere right
08:14<klys>kernel-parameters
08:14<chandu>klys, I am not passing kernel-parameters as sr0=noprobe
08:14<klys>bartair: mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /loop
08:15<chandu>klys, I was finding for this logical device name like sr0 for cdrom ..so that I can pass as sr0=norpobe or something else
08:15<jm_>bartair: why would you mount it?
08:15<klys>sr0 is also... we haven't figured this out yet
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08:17<bartair>because i have a Rescue-System (debian/etch - 2.6.x) from a hoster, and a want to change the partitions and install debain etch new, and now i am able to use it via network...
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08:18<jm_>how is that related to mounting CD image?
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08:18<klys>chandu: sr0 is also another device that was not probed
08:18<bartair>i want to download a iso and mount it
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08:18<chandu>klys, oh ok ..then If I try to probe it thru kernel parameter ..will it work
08:19<chandu>klys, means I will pass sr0=probe as kernel parameter
08:19<klys>chandu: we've established that the probe wasn't working
08:19<flips_>MoDaX: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive worked nicely. Thanks :)
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08:19<jm_>bartair: and what will you do with it when it's mounted?
08:20<chandu>klys, so what is the solution
08:20<bartair>insatall
08:20<bartair>install
08:20<klys>chandu: to, having a cdrom plugged in? or using a SATA port for non-raid purposes?
08:20<bartair>it is possible?
08:21<klys>chandu: you might look at the latest bios flash for your raid setup
08:21<jm_>I don't know what you're up to, but it sounds as you may be after using debootstrap which is explained in installation manual
08:22<bartair>ok
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08:24<MoDaX>flips_: np
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08:29<lionross>Buon pomerigio a tutti voi
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08:31<alex_>!it
08:31<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
08:32<lionross>thx
08:32<alex_>np
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08:44<harpal>klys: how can I make -dev**.deb file I would like to make it for iptables
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08:47<klys>harpal: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/pool/main/i/iptables/iptables_1.3.8.0debian1-1.diff.gz
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08:47<klys>also iptables_1.3.6.0debian1.orig.tar.gz
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08:49<harpal>from that link what should I look? In that they have describe that how to do that?
08:49<klys>harpal: cd /usr/src; tar zxpvf orig.tar.gz; zcat patch.gz less; ln -s orig-tree patched-tree; zcat patch.gz | patch -p0; cd orig-tree; chmod +x debian/rules; dpkg-buildpackage
08:50<fxiny>combo galore :)
08:50<klys>you may want to change options specified to ./configure; this requires a few extra steps
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08:51<klys>s/less/| less/
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08:52<klys>when done, dpkg -iGREB ../file.deb
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08:55<harpal>but that will make that .deb file for installation. Is that make that iptables-dev*.deb file?
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09:07<gnube>I am setting up a debian sid chroot environment on my machine, anything I should look out for? I am using http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html as a reference.
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09:11<fliguy>I know this may ruffle some feathers but I was looking to implement some of Ubuntu's features in Debian Etch. Does anyone know where i would start? They are mainly visual but I don't know where to find the theme.
09:12<gnube>Which features? Do you mean Beryl or Compiz or something like that?
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09:12<JasonS>fliguy: what features?
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09:13<gnube>Why does my chroot'd sid installation say debian version from /etc/debian_version say lenny/sid?
09:13<fliguy>nothing that in depth. The desktop theme. I like the way it's laid out
09:13<gnube>Is it so one can differentiate between sid versions? Like sarge/sid, etch/sid?
09:13<ben_goodger>fliguy: switch to experimental, install a new theme and create a new locale with dumbed-down messages... nah, just joking.... the desktop theme should be available as a deb from the ubuntu repositories, presumably you can just download it and install
09:13<gnube>fliguy: You mean the 'human' theme?
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09:14<fliguy>ben_goodger, thanks I'll ry that.
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09:14<fliguy>gnube, if that's what it's called
09:14<gnube>fliguy: That is Ubunut's default.
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09:14<ben_goodger>though why anyone would possibly _want_ to use that theme is totally beyond me
09:14<gnube>heh s/Ubuntu/Ubunut
09:15<gnube>To each their own.
09:15<fliguy>ahh. thanks a lot
09:15<gnube>Sure. :)
09:15<ben_goodger>it started brown, and now it's orange... I mean, really, _orange_?
09:15<gnube>It is pretty okay I think.
09:15<ben_goodger>meh
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09:15<gnube>And the orange distinguishes it. Debian has a lot of pink, I mean, really, PINK?
09:15<ben_goodger>no, it doesn;t
09:16<fliguy>ok..the color takes some getting use to. i'll give you that. but i like the way the buttons are laid out
09:16<gnube>Umm, yah it do.
09:16<ben_goodger>debian's default theme is clearlooks, and the colours are left as blue and grey
09:16<gnube>I'm thinking logo.
09:16<ben_goodger>and the backgrounds are blue, the icons are gnome's (tango)
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09:16<fliguy>I also like how the update manager prompts you for a reboot after kernel updates.
09:17<gnube>fliguy: I think that should be in debian.
09:17<ben_goodger>fliguy: that's actually ubuntu's, debian just borrowed it
09:17<fliguy>ok
09:17<gnube>I think that is what he means Ben.
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09:17<ben_goodger>ah
09:17<fliguy>yea
09:17<gnube>He likes the update from Ubuntu, wants it in debian.
09:17<ben_goodger>well, there's no real need to reboot, I suppose
09:17<gnube>heh
09:17<ben_goodger>it's been in debian since etch
09:17<ben_goodger>at least
09:18<ben_goodger>I wouldn't know, I was using ubuntu before that
09:18<gnube>Yeah, what is that package called?
09:18<ben_goodger>update-manager, imaginatively
09:18<gnube>Gggg. I should have figured that out. What a slug I am .
09:19<ben_goodger>or you could have run aptitude search like I did
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09:19<ben_goodger>so yes, you are a slug. :P
09:19<hatoon>join #debian-es
09:19<gnube>Exactly. Lazy. =)
09:19<gnube>hatoon: Missing a slash before join.
09:19<ben_goodger>"/join", hatoon, not "join"
09:20<fliguy>I've been playing around looking for a distro that would be a good general desktop for the not-so-computer-savy. I prefer debian for all the obvious reasons but ubuntu is a close second.
09:20<ben_goodger>fliguy: debian etch, or lenny?
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09:20<fliguy>etch
09:20<hatoon>yes
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09:20<fliguy>i almost left debian alone trying to work with sarge
09:20<ben_goodger>etch is very much 00s debian, but lenny is catching up very well with ubuntu's various "just works" type innovations...
09:21<fliguy>really?
09:21<ben_goodger>sarge is, of course, barbaric
09:21<ben_goodger>yeah
09:21<fliguy>may have to look into that. i did do an upgrade to sid on a couple test boxes
09:21<ben_goodger>lenny has cpu scaling and temperature sensors enabled by default
09:21<fliguy>nice
09:21<ben_goodger>and flash player on amd64, with a bit of trickery involving nspluginwrapper
09:22<ben_goodger>shame about the nvidia graphics drivers, but that's more nvidia's fault...
09:22<fliguy>i have to say ubuntu was honestly the first and only distro where everything did "just work" I ran it for months as my main OS without a single problem
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09:22<fliguy>but i love debian
09:22<ben_goodger>true
09:23<ben_goodger>I liked ubuntu for its polishedness
09:23<fliguy>yea it does have that
09:24<ben_goodger>when I switched to kde, the illusion was shattered, but I quickly realised it was kde's fault and reverted to gnome.... and later, I got pissed off with ubuntu's questionable policies involving non-free software, and certain other problems with it technically, and jumped to debian, which has been very nice
09:24<fxiny>i don't see debian color as pink but as "strawberries"
09:25<ben_goodger>gimpalising reveals that it is, in fact, a bright purple
09:25<fliguy>I haven't had many problems with etch but rdesktop has been a thorn in my side for months. I'm in a primarily Windows environment and i have to use rdesktop a lot and it's been one probelm after another. fix one thing and it something else.
09:25<ben_goodger>never heard of it
09:26<fliguy>rdesktop?
09:26<ben_goodger>mmm
09:26<fxiny>which takes the "fields" on a galactic level !
09:26<cahoot>ben_goodger, since it all depends on monitor settings it's a difficult matter to discuss
09:27<fliguy>ben_gooder, it's a package that pretty much give you Windows Remote Desktop Connection in Linux
09:27<ben_goodger>cahoot: the hue is purple
09:27<ben_goodger>in the file...
09:27<cahoot>besides the fact that 20 or so % of men have a deficient colorperception
09:28<ben_goodger>beyond that is the users' fault, is my reckoning, like it's the users' fault if they use shitty browsers
09:28<ben_goodger>fliguy: ah. painful. tried xdmpc?
09:28<ben_goodger>you could run windows, and log into your linux box remotely..
09:29<harpal>I have just done apt-get upgrade and I have 4.0 in /etc/debian_version. That means I have upgreaded to 4.0 ?
09:29<harpal>earlier I have 3.1 in /etc/debian_version
09:30<fliguy>ben_gooder, never heard of xdmpc and I'd rather run linux as my primary system. I'm currently running etch with a windows virtual machine
09:30<ben_goodger>harpal: you need to run apt-get dist-upgrade too
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09:33<harpal>ben_goodger: whay this needed?
09:33<ben_goodger>upgrade only does upgrades that don't entail removing or installing other packages
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09:35<harpal>ben_goodger: thanx, after that upgrade my debian is 4.0 ETCH right?
09:35<ben_goodger>yes
09:35<gnube>!dpkg versions
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09:35<ben_goodger>make sure to run tasksel --new-install to install new stuff
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09:38<harpal>tasksel -new-install takes me to that Choose software to install from there I can install new software right?
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09:39<io_>ciao a atutti
09:39<ben_goodger>!it
09:39<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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09:40<ben_goodger>harpal: choose the desktop task, plus laptop if appropriate... this will make sure you get all the new packages
09:40<[maddox]>hello people, where I can find this x-window-system-dev package?
09:40<harpal>ok thanx
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09:41<[maddox]>i can't find it on packages.debian
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09:41<[maddox]>and apt-get allso can't find it
09:41<ben_goodger>x-window-system-dev?
09:41<ben_goodger>god, that's old....
09:41<formorer>are you looking for xorg-dev?
09:41<petemc>[maddox]: x-window-system is a meta package , you probably want xserver-xorg-dev
09:41<ben_goodger>xserver-xorg-dev
09:41<ben_goodger>is the one.
09:42<[maddox]>oh, thank you
09:42<[maddox]>tell me
09:42<[maddox]>where I can find this kind of information
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09:42<harpal>I get error while doing apt-get deb-upgrade Errors were encountered while processing:
09:42<harpal> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-base_4.63-17_i386.deb
09:42<harpal>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
09:42<formorer>in apt-cache
09:42<[maddox]>what is meta package, what is replacment?
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09:42<[maddox]>formorer, thanks
09:42<DEBIAN>Russian user ???
09:42<ben_goodger>!ru
09:42<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
09:42<DEBIAN>no
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09:43<io_>!list
09:43<dpkg>one warez list being sent to io_
09:43<io_>server irc.export-crew.net
09:43<DEBIAN>no user russian @debian-russian@
09:43<io_>ù
09:43<io_>ciao a tutti
09:43<io_>!list
09:43<dpkg>one warez list being sent to io_
09:44<ben_goodger>!it
09:44<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
09:44<DEBIAN>help pliz me to Netboot Debian it's PXE ??
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09:44<io_>!list
09:44<dpkg>one warez list being sent to io_
09:45<harpal>ben_goodger: I got error while doing apt-get dist-upgrade
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09:45<DEBIAN>??
09:45<DEBIAN>No?
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09:47<ben_goodger>thank god for that
09:47<JasonS>heh
09:49<harpal>ben_goodger: for my error?
09:49<ben_goodger>harpal: paste the entire error in a pastebin
09:49<stew>harpal: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
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09:53<harpal>ben_goodger: here is my error http://pastebin.ca/649927
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09:54<ben_goodger>harpal: look in /var/cache/debconf/ for a lock and remove it
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09:56<WD_40>I have a debian box I'm setting up as a network gateway. I have it setup as: LAN <-> [eth0]Debian[eth2] <-> WAN The Lan can connect to the WAN side fine, but the WAN side can see eth2 and eth0 on the Debian box, but can't get past eth0.
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09:56<WD_40>I'm guessing it's something with my routing table, but I'm not sure
09:58<harpal>I have config.dat passwords.dat templates.dat file there is no file lock
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09:59<WD_40>I don't want my linux gateway to do NAT of any sort, just basically be a man-in-the-middle for firewalling purposes
10:00<stew>harpal: you have another copy of debconf or dpkg or dpkg-reconfigure or aptitude or something running, you should kill that one first
10:00<willian>sdfidfads
10:00<stew>WD_40: what does 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' return?
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10:00<WD_40>1
10:01<gnube>How does one set the locale? debconf locale is not what I want, evidently.
10:01<stew>WD_40: and is your iptables FORWARD chain setup to allow the traffic?
10:01<stew>gnube: dpkg-reconfigure locales
10:01<willian>formad
10:01<gnube>stew: Thank you.
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10:02<stew>willian: do you have a debian related question?
10:02<willian>o que que é issso
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10:03<WD_40>I have:
10:03<WD_40>-A FORWARD -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
10:03<WD_40>-A FORWARD -i eth2 -j ACCEPT
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10:04<stew>WD_40: can the LAN ping addresses on the WAN?
10:04<WD_40>yes
10:04<harpal>stew: I have killed that process but it shows me in ps -ae
10:04<harpal>2917 pts/1 00:00:00 tasksel-debconf <defunct>
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10:05<WD_40>the WAN can ping both interfaces on the Debian box, but not the LAN
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10:06<stew>WD_40: well if you can ping addresses on the WAN from the LAN, then the machine is in fact routing packets through (since the icmp replies must be getting through).
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10:06<stew>WD_40: when you say "see" do you mean "ping"? or are you trying to use some tcp/udp service?
10:06<WD_40>I do mean ping
10:07<stew>WD_40: so the firewall is treating icmp echo reqeust differently than icmp echo reply
10:07<WD_40>hmm
10:07<stew>WD_40: can you show us the output of "iiptables -L -n -v" ? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
10:08<WD_40>Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 210K packets, 21M bytes)
10:08<WD_40> pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination
10:08<WD_40>Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
10:08<WD_40> pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination
10:08<WD_40> 0 0 ACCEPT 0 -- eth0 * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0
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10:08<WD_40>grr
10:08<WD_40>sorry
10:08<stew>WD_40: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
10:09<WD_40>http://pastebin.ca/649943
10:11<stew>WD_40: is there anything in the nat table?
10:11<stew>WD_40: can you pastebin the output of "ip a; ip r"
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10:12<harpal>stew: I cant kill that process it showing me defunction but not killed
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10:13<WD_40>the nat table is empty
10:13<WD_40>I actually have an idea of what the problem might be
10:13<WD_40>let me go grab another laptop for testing
10:13<WD_40>brb
10:14<stew>WD_40: you follow my logic with the icmp echo request vs. echo reply, right?
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10:14<stew>harpal: can you kill its parent process?
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10:16<harpal>stew: how can I see its parent process?
10:20<stew>harpal: ps -o%P pid
10:22<stew>harpal: but just don't go killing the parent process without seeing what it is first
10:22<harpal>stew: telling me PPID
10:22<stew>harpal: yes, PPID is the parent process id
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10:23<stew>harpal: oh wait, you should be running "ps -o%P 2917" to find the PPID of 2917
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10:24<harpal>I have killed that PPID with pkill PPID
10:24<harpal>yes I have run that
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10:52<AzaTht>what firewall should I use?
10:52<rjent>Greetings, anything special for me to add an e1000 nic on a lenny setup?
10:52<WD_40>stew: I got my gateway problem worked out
10:52<rjent>the e1000 is an intel gig pci-x in a pci slot.
10:52<stew>WD_40: cool. what was it?
10:53<WD_40>I was simulating the WAN with a laptop and didn't have the linux box set as the default gateway for the PC on the LAN side
10:53<WD_40>so the PC on the LAN side wasn't able to return pings to the WAN side
10:53<stew>WD_40: dunno how pinging out would have worked then
10:54<WD_40>true
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10:54<stew>rjent: its either going to work or it isn't. do you know what the vendorid/deviceid are? are you currently running linux with that card installed?
10:54<WD_40>in any case, the Debian machine is routing nicely now
10:54<WD_40>thank you for your help
10:55<rjent>stew: yes I have it on other boxes, but it was present at install time and this one I am adding after and I must be missing something
10:56<stew>rjent: "modprobe e1000" ?
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10:59<rjent>stew: yes I rmmod e1000 then modprobe e1000 and I get:
10:59<rjent>Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 7.3.20-k2-NAPI
10:59<rjent>Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation.
10:59<rjent>ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:05:07.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 23
10:59<rjent>e1000: 0000:05:07.0: e1000_probe: (PCI:33MHz:32-bit) 00:02:b3:db:0c:e3
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11:15<Zathras>Hi. I have a Windows computer which has an IP-address, then I make a PPTP connection to a Debian Server. Which gives me an IP address for my NIC and also an IP address on the local LAN. On another Debian Server in the same LAN I would like a port forward so I can connect to it from my local machine. How should I tunnel this?
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11:16<Zathras>when using SSH for this I got the problem that my machine is not runnign SSH as it is Windows
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11:17<Zathras>I prefer to make a script on the Debian Sever to which I want to connect through the tunnel to setup the tunnel
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11:26<Tb0n3>so, I'm here on my IBM 600E, I finally got a beep for audio, but I just can't get anything else, I've tried the linux-laptops pages but I can't get it to work through either alsaconfig or in /etc/modules
11:26<kop>Zathras : The general outlines are this. Use /etc/network/interfaces "up" argument to run a script when the ppp connection comes up. That script can use the ssh command with the "-L" option to port forward. (Either that or -R). You'll have to read the man pages and fiddle yourself. Start by getting the forwarding to work, then make the tunnel come up automatically.
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11:27<Tb0n3>tried following http://condor.depaul.edu/~jkristof/debian-tp600e.html but it's kinda lacking
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11:27<Zathras>kop. I know. It is just that this is a complex tunnel, not a regular one. Regular tunnels are not that hard to setup
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11:28<kop>Zathras : Oh yes, you need to use public/private keys so your ssh does not need a password. You take the public key and put that in the remote side's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file.
11:28<Zathras>My "local" machine has no SSH, and has 2 NICs yet has 3 IPs
11:28<kop>Zathras : (Or use another vpn, like openvpn.)
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11:28<kop>Zathras : "local"?
11:29<Zathras>yes, I know about handshaking. I cannot change architecture. I am stuck what is there.
11:29<Zathras>Yes. The machine on my local LAN, the one I am working on. The Windows Box :-(
11:30<kop>Zathras : So you use the ssh on the debian box to port forward to the other debian box. (Or use openvpn).
11:30<Zathras>no
11:30<Zathras>I have a Windows box which uses pptp to connect to a Debian box
11:31<harpal>I have some packages getting some error while installing with apt-get now If I try to install other package than it comes out with that error again. So how can I clear that
11:31<kop>Zathras : From the debian box you pptp into, you use ssh to port forward to the other debian box.
11:31<Zathras>on the Debian Box 2 IPs are created: one to give to my machine VPN adapter and on on the server (that is the way pptp works)
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11:31<kop>Zathras : So port forward off the VPN IP.
11:31<Zathras>on another Debian box in the same LAN as the other (pptp server) debian box I want to port forward a port to my windows machine
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11:32<kop>Zathras : When you connect to a particular port on the vpn IP you want it to connect to another port on another box. That's what port forwarding does.
11:33<kop>harpal : You'll have to tell us the error message. If it's long don't paste, type !paste here instead.
11:33<Zathras>trust me. I know what tunneling is. I have build quite some tunnels. But as I tried to explain this one is more complex as more IPs are involved and the targe PC has no SSH server running....
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11:34<kop>Zathras : Or if you want your LAN debian box to connect to the other debian box and have that forward to the windows box, then use -L for that.
11:34<mike2>hallo ertsmal....
11:34<kop>Zathras : Why can't you have the "in between" debian box forward ports either way?
11:34<Zathras>-L did not do the trick...
11:34<kop>Zathras : Which box initiated the ssh session?
11:35<Zathras>let me draw a picture on a pastebin
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11:35<iioioii>hi
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11:40<Zathras>kop: http://pastebin.ca/650053
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11:41<Woet`>Hi
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11:42<Woet`>Somebody knows a good app to put on a floppy?
11:42<Woet`>I wanna boot up from cd-rom
11:42<Zathras>kop, sorry for that
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11:42<kop>Zathras : If you want to connect to 192.168.201.105, via that ip, you're going to have to do weird and bad stuff with the routing tables.
11:42<Zathras>I was affraid so. As you can see it is not a very standard tunnel I am after
11:43<Woet`>[18:42:09] <Woet`> Somebody knows a good app to put on a floppy?
11:43<Woet`>[18:42:12] <Woet`> I wanna boot up from cd-rom
11:43<kop>Zathras : You wouldn't be satisfied connecting to 172.17.3.251 (or 127.0.0.1) and have that wind up on your windows pc?
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11:43<kop>Woet` : If you want to boot from cd, that's something you set in your computer's bios.
11:44<Woet`>..
11:44<Woet`>I cant
11:44<Zathras>172.17.3.251 is far from ideal but I might be able to live with that
11:44<Woet`>old pc
11:44<Woet`>I know there is a floppy
11:44<Woet`>who can boot the cd-rom
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11:44<kop>Woet` : loadlin?
11:45<Woet`>k
11:45<Zathras>Woet`, try tomsrtbt
11:45<kop>Zathras : Lemme think.
11:45<Zathras>that will see your cdrom drive hopefully, but you will end up in creating your own boot floppy with loadlin or something
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11:47<kop>Zathras : If you really want 192.168.201.105 then I don't think you require a tunnel. You require routing table munging.
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11:47<kop>Zathras : Which end initiates the pptp connection?
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11:49<Zathras>normal portforwarding would be: ssh -N -f -L 8081:localhist:8081 remotesystem
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11:49<Zathras>pptp is controlled by 172.17.3.251
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11:50<kop>Zathras : But you don't really need port forwarding. You could route all packets to 192.168.201.105 to the right gateway.... However, you _do_ need something that'll proxy, so the packets have an address that the windows box can route back to....
11:51<Zathras>I thought ir might work if i filled in the pptp-server address (192.168.201.203 but then I have the problem that there is no SSH daemon running there
11:51<kop>Zathras : So, which end does the pptp connection setup?
11:52<Zathras>my localmachine connects and negotioates with 172.17.3.251 and that machine builds that tunnel
11:52<Zathras>and supplies both 192.168 addresses
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11:52<kop>Zathras : Can you tell your machine to use 172.17.3.x for the pptp link?
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11:53<Zathras>no
11:53<kop>Zathras : Then you just tell 172.17.3.211 that 172.17.3.251 is the gateway to 172.17.3.x (the pptp link) and everything just works.
11:53<Zathras>i cannot change the setup. many other users depend on it
11:54<Zathras>the default gw of 211 is 251 that is not an issue
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11:55<kop>Zathras : (It's not the gateway to anything on the 172.17.3.0/24 network.)
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11:56<Zathras>kop. I do not understand what you are trying to tell me
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11:56<Zathras>251 is the default gw for the 172.17.3.0/24 network
11:56<Zathras>i just need to forward port 8081
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11:56<kop>Zathras : I'm saying, instead of using a 192.168 for the pptp link, use 172.17.3.
11:56<Zathras>as it is only accessable on localhost
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11:57<Zathras>yes. And I say: that cannot be done. It is a live system with many users
11:57<harpal>kop: sorry I have gone out. I have error http://pastebin.ca/650078
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11:58<Woet`>im using smart boot now
11:58<kop>harpal : I'm not going to have time to help. Tell the channel again about your apt-get problem.
11:58<Zathras>apt-get -f install does not help?
11:59<harpal>no
11:59<Zathras>kop. Thank you very much for your time and effort, but I have to leave now
12:00<harpal>I have some packages getting some error while installing with apt-get now If I try to install other package than it comes out with that error again. So how can I clear that
12:00<Zathras>apt-get install libqt-perl
12:00<kop>Zathras : What about using nc on 172.17.3.251 to proxy? then port forward the ssh connection between the debian boxes to the nc proxy.
12:00<Tb0n3>so, I'm here on my IBM 600E, I finally got a beep for audio, but I just can't get anything else, I've tried the linux-laptops pages but I can't get it to work through either alsaconfig or in /etc/modules
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12:01<Zathras>I will keep that in mind kop. tnx again
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12:02<Zathras>harpal, try to install using apt-get install <packagename> all packages manually on which the installer complains
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12:02<Zathras>you can even consider cleaning the pat-cache and do an update so everything will be fresh
12:02<Zathras>got to go
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12:17<stuart->hi guys. how do i install pidgin on debian?
12:17<stuart->i used to be able to do it on ubuntu, i forgot already
12:17<nareshov>apt-get install pidgin ?
12:18<stuart->nareshov, it says no such package. is there a sources.list line i have to add?
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12:18<UK-Toker>apt-get update
12:19<UK-Toker>apt-cache search pidgin
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12:20<nareshov>(stable doesn't have pidgin btw)
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12:20<UK-Toker>thats y he cant find it then!
12:21<nareshov>:)
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12:24<sl>exit
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12:24<ranix>slick, sl
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12:30<zero_>somebody think about squid?
12:30<zero_>i want install qt3, what i down for xconfig?
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12:32<kirkroy>what package do I need to run as an FTP server?
12:33<kirkroy>or do I just need to allow incoming connections somewhere?
12:34<kirkroy>emote ponders
12:34<kirkroy>Hm...
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12:34<JasonS>!tell kingsley about ftp
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12:35<JasonS>doh, sorry kingsley
12:36<ranix>hey, I have a Dyson sphere that I'm trying to control with my Debian system, and I'm having trouble with high-voltage switching. Please advise
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12:49<nik>hallo?
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12:50<Guest169>wenn ich ein linux auf externer platte installier wo muss ich den bootloader hintun mbr oder rootpartition ?
12:50<blarson>!de
12:50<dpkg>somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
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12:55<ant_>I have an issue with GnuCash 2.0.5. on Debian 4. When I print an invoice the font size is very big and I can't seem to get it smaller no matter what I try. Does anybody know if this is a Debian issue or a GnuCash issue?
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12:57<tuxfan>hello
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12:57<tuxfan>i don't understand why debian installer create a prep partition, altough I have a chrp machine
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13:15<manny>hello all
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13:20<pmvalente>hello, i'm running debian etch, and I made and vedo card drvier update (ATI Radeon 9600), and now when I shut down my system it hangs (grey screen), somebody help me, please.
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13:26<pmvalente>hello, i'm running debian etch, and I made and vedo card drvier update (ATI Radeon 9600), and now when I shut down my system it hangs (grey screen), somebody help me, please.
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13:28<stew>pmvalente: which driver are you using?
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13:34<petya>hi there. search someone who can help with select() returning timeout while observing packets in tcpdump
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13:37<Aleksej>Hi, I've had libapache-mod-gzip installed on Etch, but it doesn't exist in testing, though a later version of the package exists on unstable, but http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache-mod-gzip thinks it's not even there. How do I know why, should I delete it etc?.
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13:40<pmvalente>stew the last one, the 39.4
13:41<stew>!info xserver-xorg-video-ati
13:41<stew>pmvalente: what is it called? ati? radeon? fglrx? avivo?
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13:42<stew>13:41 <dpkg> Package 'xserver-xorg-video-ati ' does not exist.
13:42<stew>wtf
13:42<Aleksej>!info libapache-mod-gzip
13:42<stew>it does so exist. and the current version is 6.6.3-2
13:43<pmvalente>is that a command?
13:44<pmvalente>!info
13:46<stew>pmvalente: it is asking the bot to fetch the current info about a package, but the bot is seemingly sick
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13:46<stew>pmvalente: are you using the non-free driver from ati? or are you using the free driver that comes with xorg?
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13:46<stew>pmvalente: or a free driver that comes from somewhere else?
13:46<pmvalente>I use the driver from ati
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13:47<stew>pmvalente: why are you using the non-free driver, when the free driver supports your card?
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13:47<pmvalente>are you sure?
13:48<pmvalente>where could I find that free driver?
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13:48<stew>pmvalente: "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati" and yes, i'm sure, as long as you are running at least stable
13:49<stew>pmvalente: the driver is named "ati" or "radeon"
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13:49<pmvalente>is that a question?
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13:52<RetroJ>hi, I'm running debian testing, trying to upgrade a lot of packages, and I keep running into a problem with debianutils. somehow 2.8.4 is on my system, yet the available version from the repository is 2.22.1. this is the error when I try to install it: "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.22.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
13:52<RetroJ> trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/add-shell', which is also in package passwd" anybody have an idea how I can fix this?
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13:53<Aleksej>hmm since when is Yandex an ISP with DHCP?
13:56<pmvalente>stew, I do the aptitude install ..., and now how could I know if the free driver is installed?
13:56<stew>pmvalente: if the aptitude install command doesn't give you an error
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13:56<stew>pmvalente: you can run "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-ati" and see if "Installed: " shows a version number
13:57<stew>RetroJ: you are trying to upgrade from sarge to lenny skipping etch, and skipping release is not supported. you should first upgrade from sarge->etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch
13:58<RetroJ>stew: thanks.. I thought I was running etch before, but I guess I made a mistake way back.
13:59<stew>RetroJ: http://packages.debian.org/debianutils
13:59<pmvalente>stew, thanks, it show 1:6.6.3-2
14:00<ranix>Does anyone know a simple way of increasing Razor2's relevance in spamassassin that will survive conf upgrades?
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14:11<pab-ges>hi there, anybody familiar with python2.3-moinmoin (Sarge)?
14:11<pab-ges># Python 2.3.5 (/usr/bin/python)
14:11<pab-ges># MoinMoin release 1.3.4 (revision 1.3.4 release)
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14:15<frank>ranix: how about "score RAZOR_.... X" in local.cf
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14:17<veryhard>oi
14:17<cima>hi all
14:17<veryhard>tem alguém ai
14:17<veryhard>do Brasil?
14:17<frank>uhm, sorry its RAZOR2_
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14:17<cima>help me please
14:17<ranix>frank: local.cf overrides the particular score confs?
14:17<bluesteal>hallo!
14:17<ranix>frank: or does it add to them
14:18<cima>i'm installing debian from netinstall
14:18<bluesteal>I have a problem with my wireless lan card
14:18<frank>ranix: afaik
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14:18<cima>when i booting after getting the time from a network
14:19<cima>the laptop is stopping
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14:22<cima>the laptop one jams
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14:23<frank>ranix: the docs say something like "if no score is assigned a default score is used .."
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14:34<cima>ok it's okey
14:34<cima>i'm used installgui at boot
14:34<cima>and the systemo now is formatting the hd
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14:35<cima>and i'm installing the main system
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14:39<cima>hi all
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14:41<simonrvn>o_O
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14:46<daemon-midi>hey evrybody, I'd like to get courier configured as smtp-daemon/server - need a good tutorial - any ideas?
14:46<simonrvn>their website
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14:47<daemon-midi>ok, you're right - but I really need something for dummies ;-(
14:47<daemon-midi>something like take .rc file copy it to local and done
14:47<simonrvn>google for some howtos ;)
14:49<daemon-midi>yep, I did that - still get a reject - not authorzied user
14:49<frank>configuring a mta is nothing a "dummy" should do ...
14:49<daemon-midi>frank: I know about the consequence - I just do not have time to it all by myself
14:50<daemon-midi>by the way it's a local mailserver - no connection to the internet possible - "cutoff"-network
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14:52<daemon-midi>frank: I didn't get that - am I picking on wrong comment?
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15:01<g200x>exit
15:02<g200x>exit
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15:02<daemon-midi>whois simonrvn
15:02<simonrvn>...
15:02<simonrvn>just ask
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15:03<daemon-midi>sorry simonrv - after 10h @ work - I am tired
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15:08<jMCg>RichiH: ping
15:08<jMCg>bleh
15:08<jMCg>ricky: ping
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15:09<bartair>jMCg: hi
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15:10<jMCg>j0!
15:10<bartair>you know me??
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15:10<ricky>jMCg: pong
15:11<bartair>3hdd
15:11<jMCg>ricky: did you read my request in Apache. I was wondering if anybody has already submitted AddType/AddHandler php as a Bug.
15:11<jMCg>I was about to look it up and force you to do it, if it's not already there ;)
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15:13<ricky>jMCg: Hahaha: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=416424
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15:14<jMCg>ricky: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341346 <<<< here
15:14<jMCg>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=271856 << here
15:14<jMCg>It's full... and no one fixed it so far.. this sucks.
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15:15<jMCg>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=271856 << Consider shipping the following as the content of ... and then something GROSS
15:16<ricky>Stupid PHP :p
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15:27<Woet>Hello
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15:27<Woet>I would like to access my server by putty
15:27<Woet>How?
15:27<Woet>What do i need to do?
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15:28<witte>Woet: you give putty the address of your server, and you provide login and password?
15:28<Woet>well
15:28<azeem>Woet: you need to run sshd on your server
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15:28<Woet>kk
15:28<Woet>apt-get install sshd
15:28<Woet>??
15:29<azeem>no, apt-get install openssh-server
15:29<Woet>k
15:29<lupine_85>Woet: did you ever manage to install ircd?
15:29<Woet>no
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15:29<Woet>Im waiting for apt-get to get updated
15:29<Woet>:)
15:29<bighornram>I'm trying to install gstreamer...plugins-really-bad but get error trying to overwrite libgstqtdemux.so which is in gstreamer.. -plugins-good. How do I fix this thank.
15:29<lupine_85>considerable lol is attached
15:30<lupine_85>just after you shouted and left, I gave it a try; it compiled fine here
15:30<Woet>I guess my server is too slow
15:30<Woet>150 MHz, 32 mb ram
15:30<lupine_85>could be the ram causing you the problem
15:30<lupine_85>compile it at home, copy the deb over?
15:30<Woet>how to compile?
15:31<Woet>on windows xp
15:31<Woet>and how to copy the deb over
15:31<lupine_85>haha. You'd have a job.
15:31<Woet>well im gonna try compiling once again
15:31<Woet>I just reinstalled debian
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15:46<bighornram>How do I install a gstreamer plugin when it complains about overwriting a library file?
15:47<streuner>show us the whole error in paster bot
15:47<streuner>!paste
15:47<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
15:48<streuner>bighornram: <
15:48<streuner>bighornram: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
15:48<streuner>bighornram: paste your sources.list as well in that paste
15:48<Woet>phobos login: eth0: setting full-duplex.
15:48<Woet>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
15:48<Woet>My server is hanging there i guess
15:49<Woet>or is it normal it takes several minuts?
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15:54<bighornram>streuner: http://paste.debian.net/34246
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15:54<MBR>how well does linux run on a 200mhz system about 256meg ram. i'm not planning on installing X11 on it
15:55<MBR>bah the distro i want to use is latest deb. should be good to go right? it's just the shell
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15:55<Woet>lol MBR
15:55<Woet>debian runes fine on my 150 mhz, 32 ram server
15:55<Woet>:)
15:55<Woet>runes = runs *
15:56<streuner>hm, lenny is really fucked up these days
15:56<MBR>well i thought it should. i mean it is after all a very flexiable OS
15:56<witte>MBR: no problems for that system, although it will be quite slow if you want to do anything special
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15:57<witte>MBR: you can even set up X, with icewm or windowmaker as WM
15:57<MBR>basically it's going to be my www server. or maybe a ftp
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15:57<MBR>i currently run NT 4.0 and run my telnet board on the system. i want to move the sys over to linux and ditch my bbs.
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15:58<witte>MBR: if you wont have a lot of traffic/large mysql databases/heavy script, that will be ok
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15:59<MBR>k that's what i planned. basically it's a small webserver. it shouldn't get a hell of a lot of traffic. it sure as hell won't be running mysql
16:00<streuner>bighornram: you are trying to install a package from a non-official source and overwrite a package which is official
16:00<MBR>maybe i'll try hitting up debian sarge
16:00<streuner>bighornram: usually those debs are fine, try to remove gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
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16:01<bighornram>streuner: hmm I did try that but it had tons of dependencies
16:01<witte>MBR: why
16:02<streuner>which one?
16:03<MBR>smaller and tested and true. i already have a full time linux box. *my main box* but i want an other linux system to tool around with. ya know just play a bit
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16:04<witte>MBR: but etch is stable now, so better supported
16:04<witte>MBR: I do no know if sarge is that smaller than etch btw
16:04<Woet>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
16:04<Woet>what should i do?
16:05<MBR>gotcha.. and idk if it is either. i figure, older releases are usually smaller. but it also depends on package selection
16:05<ifvoid>Woet: first of all, ask yourself if you really should be compiling this thing yourself
16:05<Woet>yes i should
16:05<Woet>:p
16:05<ifvoid>why?
16:05<witte>Woet; apt-get install build-essential
16:06<Woet>already doing that currently
16:06<Woet>becasue apt-get is outdated ifvoid
16:06<ifvoid>right
16:06<ifvoid>good luck then
16:06<azeem>Woet: what are you trying to do?
16:06<Woet>compiling ircd-ircu
16:06<azeem>why?
16:07<streuner>oh
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16:07<streuner>Arent you the one who asked serveral times before about?
16:07<stew>he is
16:07<ifvoid>Woet: you really shouldn't be compiling stuff liek that yourself
16:07<Woet>Tell me what to do, when i want the latest ircd-ircu then.
16:08<ifvoid>unless you know exactly what you are doing, or aren't connecting it to the internet
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16:08<Woet>well tbh
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16:08<Woet>I dont care about the server
16:08<Woet>Nothign important on it
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16:09<ifvoid>Woet: the point is that _we_ care if people start using ti to hack into other systems or sending spam
16:09<Woet>Just wanna have fun with debian :)
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16:09<azeem>Woet: if you need to compile the latest ircd-icu, you should know yourself how to do it
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16:09<ifvoid>Woet: is there any particular reason you specificly need the latest version?
16:09<Woet>well
16:09<Woet>not one port is forwarded ifvoid
16:09<MBR>what kind of hardware/net connection would it take to run your own irc server anyway? we talking oc3 type stuff or better?
16:09<Woet>because the apt-get is bugged
16:10<Woet>well
16:10<Woet>150 mhz, 32 ram seems fine to me
16:10<rav>is there a program to manage pictures from a camera for debian?
16:10<Woet>for like 20 users
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16:10<ifvoid> apt-get is bugged?
16:10<ifvoid>what do you mean by that?
16:10<Woet>no
16:10<Woet>I mean the version i get via apt-get is bugged
16:10<ifvoid>bugged how?
16:10<witte>rav: a photo camera or webcam? for the first, gphoto2
16:10<MBR>you run an irc server on a 150 system with 32meg ram? how many users/network traffic you get?
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16:11<stew>ifvoid: he found a bug that is fixed in a much newer version (version in unstable has a 2 year old wishlist bug for a new version). the upstream devs told him to use a newer version
16:11<rav>witte: it's a photo camera
16:12<Woet>People were able to part channels without having joined it
16:12<Woet>People were able to cause EO Read Errors
16:12<gnube>rav: Try gthumb
16:12<gnube>rav: some people like fstop as well.
16:12<gnube>Both those programs are for managing photos from a digital camera or the like.
16:12<gnube>If you want to push pixels, you want the Gimp
16:12|-|gnube kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
16:12<Woet>err
16:12<Woet>wtf was that kick for?
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16:12<stew>Woet: for flooding
16:12<streuner>flood, if you going to paste more than serveral lines within a certain time
16:13<Woet>Well i think that wasnt flood
16:13<Woet>4 lines in 1 minut
16:13<sentius>Hello everybody
16:13<Woet>is that spam?
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16:13<stew>Woet: yes, we don't allow 4 lines
16:13<simon444>lol
16:13<Woet>well, i reached 4 lines now.
16:13<Woet>And now 5.
16:13<stew>Woet: stop
16:13<Woet>in 30 seconds.
16:13<simon444>he quit
16:13<rav>gnube: I want an easier way of downloading the pics to my computer. Using konqueror takes forever because it generates the thumbnails, and I have to do the sorting of the pictures
16:13<simon444>or kicking causes his client to crash
16:14<simon444>rav, he is gone
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16:14<sentius>any suggestions on what release to use for an old laptop with only 24Mb RAM
16:14<cahoot_>rav: gphoto2
16:14<witte>rav: if it is a usb-storage device, mount it, and copy it using command line :-)
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16:14<kurumin>ola
16:14<Woet>alo
16:14<kurumin>qual seu nome
16:14<Woet>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
16:14<Woet>??
16:14<witte>sentius: I do not think you can run etch on it
16:15<witte>!br
16:15<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:15<streuner>!kurumin
16:15<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br
16:15<sentius>yeah, thats a definite no
16:15<Woet>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
16:15<kurumin>#debian-br
16:15<Woet>??
16:15<stew>Woet: please don't repeat so quickly
16:15<MBR>at the console. how do you view a text file. example in point. in ms-dos youi could do this "type text.txt |more" and you could view it
16:15<stew>Woet: is build-essential installed?
16:15<Woet>yes
16:15<Woet>I just installed it
16:15<ifvoid>check config.log then
16:16<cahoot_>MBR: use less
16:16<Supaplex>Woet: configure.log -> http://rafb.net/paste
16:16<Woet>what to do with it ifvoid
16:16<Woet>?
16:16<Woet>k
16:16<kurumin>ok
16:16<streuner>!tell Woet about enter
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16:16<MBR>thanks cahoot_
16:16<azeem>Woet: try to figure out your apt issues, rather
16:16<Woet>where to find configure.log ?
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16:16<kurumin>how use #debian-br ?
16:17<Woet>click it.
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16:17<streuner>kurumin: do you want install Debian?
16:17<Woet>where to find configure.log ?
16:17<kurumin>ara instaled
16:18<paulo>kurumin: /join #debian-br
16:18<streuner>speak english, my portugese sucks
16:18<stew>Woet: please don't repeat your question so quickly
16:18<kurumin>ok
16:18<stew>Woet: there should be a file named "config.log" in the directory where you ran ./configure
16:18<MBR>any one here tooled around with slack much?
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16:18<Woet>I cant find the directory
16:18<Woet>tbh
16:18<stew>MBR: wrong channel
16:18<Woet>phobos:~/ircu2.10#
16:18<Woet>I ran it there
16:18<Atlantiz>slackware? it has been a while
16:18<stew>Woet: it should be in that directory then
16:18<Woet>well
16:18<MBR>i'm not asking for slackware support. just wondering what ya think of it
16:18<Woet>where is that directory
16:18<Woet>?
16:19<kurumin>thank you very much
16:19<streuner>MBR: we are using Debian, is that enough for you?
16:19<ifvoid>MBR: doesn't matter. Slackware is offtopic here
16:19<MBR>k gotcha
16:19<Woet>where to find configure.log ?
16:19<Atlantiz>oh it's good if you don't mind doing your own research when installing things. They have swaret for packages too for installations that can be used for common programs.
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16:19<ifvoid>Woet: you were told 3 times altready
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16:19<streuner>You shouldn't run a IRC server, if you dont even know where to find configure.log.
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16:20<Woet>I dont know where the directory "ircu2.10" is.
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16:20<Woet>Its for _FUN_
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16:20<Atlantiz>So to cut to the chase you can learn a lot with it, however with Debian everything is more cohesive.
16:20<ifvoid>Woet: in your home directory, apparently
16:20<stew>Woet: that prompt you pasted was IN the ircu2.10 directory
16:21<Woet>Well
16:21<Woet>its not in my root
16:21<stew>Woet: type "pwd"
16:21<ifvoid>Atlantiz: please don't discuss slackware here
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16:21<ifvoid>Woet: it is in your home directory
16:21<Woet>phobos:~/ircu2.10# pwd
16:21<Woet>/root/ircu2.10
16:21<Atlantiz>I just summed it up in 2 sentences. I wasn't going to keep discussing it.
16:21<Woet>got it
16:22<Woet>http://rafb.net/p/6L1Gvu90.html
16:22<Woet>there you go
16:22<Woet>Yes I did a memtest
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16:22<Woet>My RAM is ok.
16:22<ifvoid>ouch
16:22<ifvoid>segfault in gcc
16:22<ifvoid>most probably a hardware error
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16:22<Woet>Yes I did a memtest
16:22<Woet>My RAM is ok.
16:22<ifvoid>can you reproduce it?
16:22<Woet>Yes
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16:22<Woet>By typing ./configure
16:22<Woet>duh.
16:23<Woet>oops
16:23<Woet>other error
16:23<ifvoid>right
16:23<Woet>checking for suffix of executables... configure: error: cannot compute suffix of executables: cannot compile and link
16:23<ifvoid>faulty hardware it is
16:23<Woet>well tell me whats wrong
16:23<Woet>my harddisk is fine
16:23<Woet>ram too
16:23<Woet>checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
16:23<azeem>Woet: we got that
16:23<Woet>yes.
16:24<Woet>But it gives random error messages
16:24<Woet>mostly that one
16:24<lupine_85>Woet: can you do uname -r for me?
16:24<ifvoid>Woet: most probably cause is either memory or power supply
16:24<stew>Woet: what version of debian are you running, what version of libc6-dev and gcc are installed?
16:24<Woet>uphobos:~/ircu2.10# uname -r
16:24<Woet>2.6.18-4-486
16:24<Woet>no idea stew
16:24<streuner>Woet: we told you before, what happens if you compile this on a different box?
16:24<azeem>Woet: dpkg -l libc6-dev
16:24<Woet>I dont got "another" box
16:24<lupine_85>it builds fine on mine
16:24<streuner>great
16:25<lupine_85>give me a minute and I should be able to get you an i386 built dir
16:25<azeem>lupine_85: gcc segfaulting isn't expected
16:25<Woet>http://rafb.net/p/hd6KNH25.html
16:25<Woet>:)
16:25<lupine_85>azeem: in 32MB of RAM?
16:25<azeem>lupine_85: and don't provide executables to others, please
16:25<azeem>lupine_85: ah
16:25<lupine_85>but but but
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16:25<ifvoid>Woet: hopw exactly have you checked the memory
16:25<Woet>err
16:25<Woet>memtest ?
16:25<azeem>Woet: 32MB RAM might be too less to build things today
16:26<Woet>Well, how else im supposed to get the latest ircu
16:26<ifvoid>Woet: the command line command?
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16:26<Woet>If someone here can provide me 72 pins ram
16:26<Woet>thank you :x
16:26<lupine_85>72-pin == SIMMS?
16:26<azeem>Woet: just be happy with what apt provides
16:26<ifvoid>or the thing from the grub boor menu?
16:26<lupine_85>it doess
16:26<ifvoid>azeem: even that won't help him if his hardware is broken...
16:27<Woet>my hardware _ISNT_ broken
16:27<Woet>.
16:27<azeem>ifvoid: it rather looks like out of memory to me
16:27<lupine_85>wow, that's ancient
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16:27<azeem>Woet: paste the output of free
16:27<Woet>err
16:27<Woet>k
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16:28<Woet>http://rafb.net/p/rU5bat56.html
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16:29<azeem>so it's 96 MB
16:29<azeem>that should be enough
16:29<Woet>oh
16:29<azeem>Woet: paste the output of gcc --version
16:29<Woet>gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070629 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-13)
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16:30<ifvoid>azeem: really smells of broken memory
16:30<azeem>yeah
16:31<azeem>Woet: this is not a Debian issue
16:31<streuner>Woet: How did you run memtest at all?
16:31<Woet>err
16:31<Woet>shut down
16:31<Woet>before the boot
16:31<Woet>memtest
16:31<ifvoid>hmmz
16:31<ifvoid>and that didn't show anything?
16:31<ifvoid>that;s weird
16:31<Woet>just good ram
16:31<streuner>Woet: how long did it take?
16:31<ifvoid>then it could also be bad cooling
16:31<streuner>Woet: 5 minutes or less?
16:31<Woet>i went away while it tested streuner
16:31<lupine_85>tracking down weird errors ftl :p
16:31<Woet>i had no idea
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16:32<lupine_85>so why "don't provide binaries", if I dare ask?
16:32<streuner>(maybe he used a wrong command)
16:32<azeem>lupine_85: it should be evident
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16:33<lupine_85>azeem: security-wise, I'm hardly going to want to hax0r his box0r
16:33<lupine_85>and if I did, I'm hardly untraceable
16:34<lupine_85>oh, wait. My address isn't in whois any more
16:34<lupine_85>meh. abuse@aaisp.net.uk are good blokes, though
16:34<azeem>lupine_85: I didn't say you were, but if people get used to download binaries from others in here, sooner or later somebody will fall
16:34<sward>So you provide binaries as goodwill. Now the people you provide binaries to think it’s ok to receive binaries.
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16:36<azeem>it's really similar to educating people not to give strangers login on their boxen, or include random 3rd party apt sources
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16:37<streuner>Woet: i got the sligtly idea that you don't run the memtest correctly
16:38<simon444>!assume
16:38<dpkg>well, assume is when you make an ASS out of U and ME.
16:38<streuner>sure, but that makes no sense
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16:38<azeem>dpkg: forget assume
16:38<stew>simon444: stop using the bot in the channel. if you need information from the bot, /msg it
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16:39<Woet>!assume
16:39<dpkg>methinks assume is when you make an ASS out of U and ME.
16:39<Woet>lol
16:39<simon444>whoops... stew, I have a plugin that redirects ! commands to messages to dpkg... forgot to load it this time. Sorry.
16:39<Woet>it returns not the same
16:39<streuner>oh, someone locked it
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16:39<streuner>simon444: can you unlock the factoid?
16:39<fe>i love heavy metal
16:39<simon444>streuner, I don't know how that stuff works.
16:39<stew>streuner: he can't. its just too old to remove
16:40<fe>manowar
16:40<streuner>oh
16:40<fe>stratovarius
16:40<Th|sD|cK>Unable to find expected entry stable/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) << how mean?!
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16:40<stew>fe: do you have a debian related question?
16:40<streuner>!factinfo assume
16:40<dpkg>assume -- last modified 2m 57s ago by simon444!~simon@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au; it has been requested 2 times, last by Woet, 1m 34s ago.
16:40<stew>Th|sD|cK: try a different mirror
16:41<Woet>!assume
16:41<dpkg>somebody said assume was when you make an ASS out of U and ME.
16:41<stew>Woet: stop
16:41<Woet>!factinfo assume
16:41<dpkg>assume -- last modified 3m 18s ago by simon444!~simon@203-217-53-246.dyn.iinet.net.au; it has been requested 3 times, last by Woet, 10s ago.
16:41<Woet>!assume
16:41<dpkg>hmm... assume is when you make an ASS out of U and ME.
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16:41<stew>Woet: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. if you want to play with the bot, do it in /msg or in #debian-bots
16:41<simon444>maybe I should share my plugin with Woet
16:42<streuner>dpkg, no assume is <reply> foo
16:42<dpkg>streuner: okay
16:42<streuner>dpkg, forget assume
16:42<streuner><dpkg> cannot remove factoid 'assume', too old. (13733.9043518519>6048) use 'no,' instead
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16:42<streuner>we need something else
16:42<stew>streuner: -> #debian-bots
16:43<Guest131>i got a linux kernel I put in that fubard lilo.. so I'm trying to puit ion the old krnel wich is in dselect as installed
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16:43<Guest131>puit/ion put/on
16:43<stew>Guest131: can you be more specific than "fubard lilo"?
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16:44<Guest131>yeah
16:44<Guest131>Fatal: open /vmlinuz: No such file or directory
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16:44<Guest131>I was making a kernel with kpkg
16:44<Guest131>and after that lilo messed up, so i removed old kernel.
16:45<Guest131>well current
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16:45<Guest131>the bad one i just made
16:45<stew>Guest131: so can you boot your system at all now?
16:45<Guest131>and the old ones are still shown as installed in dselect with a * you know shift plus
16:45<Guest131>havent tried
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16:46<stew>Guest131: ok, so what exactly are you trying to do now?
16:46<Guest131>im trying to figure out how to just get one of these stock kernels from the archive to reinstall
16:46<Guest131>then after everythings working, i can trouble shoot lilo
16:47<stew>Guest131: run "apt-get install --reinstall packagename"
16:47<stew>Guest131: where packagename is something like "linux-image-$version" or "kernel-image-$version"
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16:48<Guest131>thanxs
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16:49<Th|sD|cK>stew>>> ok, i changed mirror, and now i have not errors, tnx
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16:49<Guest131>Fatal: open /vmlinuz:
16:49<Guest131>hrm
16:50<witte>Guest131: did you run lilo afterwards?
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16:50<Guest131>yeap
16:50<Guest131>it should make the links and stuff
16:51<witte>Guest131: try grub
16:51<witte>!grub
16:51<dpkg>methinks grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with XFS, or ask me about <grub dvorak>.
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16:51<Woet>..
16:51<Woet>finally
16:52<Woet>http://rafb.net/p/NPJHYa23.html
16:52<Woet>what to do?
16:52<Woet>hey
16:52<Woet>it got installed :o
16:53<streuner>oh, that looks really ugly :-/
16:53<Woet>nicee
16:53<Woet>it works
16:53<Woet>now i need to find the config files
16:53<Woet>where do i find them?
16:53<ech0>Hi there
16:53<stew>Woet: /etc/ircd/
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16:54<azeem>Woet: what does "as --version | head -1" say?
16:54<Guest131>grub2?
16:54<Woet>GNU assembler (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.17.50.20070718
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16:55<ech0>I've got some tmpfs entries when I type mount, on /lib/init/rw and /dev/shm
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16:55<ech0>wonder what it's for
16:55<azeem>ech0: they are implementation details
16:55<azeem>no need to worry
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16:55<witte>Guest131: just grub
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16:56<ech0>azeem, thanks ;)
16:56<witte>I do not know what grub2 exactly is
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16:57<Convirion>hi
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16:57<ech0>hi
16:58<simon444>who was that and what for?
16:58<simon444>Woet?
16:58<Convirion>I want to install debian 31R5 for i386 (bin 1)
16:58<Convirion>But it doesn't reconise my ethern card
16:59<Convirion>i can select my card from the list (realteck 8139)
16:59<Convirion>but i have to enter some parameters
16:59<tV2>What a eth card have you got?
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16:59<witte>Convirion: can you do lspci and paste it in a pastebot
16:59<tV2>realtek should be recognized
16:59<witte>s/pastebot/pastebin
16:59<Convirion>eerh, im kinda noob :)
16:59<witte>!tell Convirion about pastebin
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17:00<Convirion>and i want to do it in the install, so not in a shell
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17:00<witte>Convirion: is your pc very new?
17:01<Convirion>yes
17:01<Convirion>AMD x2 6000, Gigabyte mainboard, (AMD MA69VM-S2)
17:01<witte>why did you download the old debian then, will need the newest drivers you can find
17:01<witte>try debian etch
17:02<witte>which is version 4.0
17:02<Convirion>b/c i had it on cd :)
17:02<Convirion>i'll download the new one
17:02<witte>Convirion: ok, probably it is just a driver issue
17:02<witte>Convirion: you should go for a netinstall, only 150 MB or so
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17:07|-|mode/#debian [-q *!*@ip9135f771.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] by stew
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17:07<Woet>finally
17:07<Woet>abusing admin isnt nice
17:07<Woet>how to reboot ircd-ircu?
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17:08<@stew>Woet: /etc/init.d/ircd-ircu restart
17:08<@stew>Woet: though usually sending it a -HUP is enough
17:08<Guest131>its fixed
17:08<Guest131>:)
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17:08<Guest131>I was going to make a kernel for this lappy, remove all the modules not needed, build in stuff needed.. then use it with crt and keyboard
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17:09<Th|sD|cK>kundalini:/media/archivio1/download/aMuleAdu-3.11b# ./autogen.sh bash: ./autogen.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
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17:09<Th|sD|cK>how to resolv this error?!
17:09<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: ls -la /bin/sh
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17:09<a207x>Question: Is there an application in Debian that lets me dock/undock kde windows? Something like wmctrl for regular windows.
17:09<a207x>(Uncertain what I should be apt-cache search'ing for.)
17:10<Woet>and how long does that reboot take?
17:10<Woet>???
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17:10<azeem>Woet: it's a restart
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17:10<Woet>it takes long.
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17:10<@stew>Woet: a few seconds
17:10<azeem>then maybe something is wrong
17:10<Woet>grrrr
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17:10|-|mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew
17:10<Woet>phobos:~# /etc/init.d/ircd-ircu restart
17:10<Woet>Restarting irc server daemon: ircd-ircu.
17:10|-|runix__ [~asd@190.172.30.121] has joined #debian
17:10<Woet>its supposed to go online now.
17:10<peterS>a207x: apt-cache search kde dock manage
17:10<azeem>Woet: are you sure you should run an irc server?
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17:10<JasonS>heh
17:10<Woet>yes AzaTht
17:10<Woet>azeem im sure
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17:10<runix__>hey :) my new debian detected my sound card, which is very nice, but it uses the OSS driver instead of the ALSA one. how can I configure that?
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17:11<a207x>Hm, thanks. I'll take a look.
17:11<Woet>how to check the status
17:11<Woet>or start it?
17:11<Woet>again"?
17:11<stew>Woet: check /var/log/ircd/
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17:11<Woet>that doesnt help me start it.
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17:11<Woet>critical.log ?
17:11<stew>Woet: that is how you check the status.
17:11<simon444>check it!
17:11<f0rtune>hey, i'm having trouble using the 'kweatherreport' application, are their any help documents for it?
17:12<drebs>hello, someone knows a good irc server for debian?
17:12<ifvoid>heh
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17:12<drebs>i couldn't find one in the main repositories
17:12<simon444>!ircd
17:12<dpkg>hmm... ircd is An IRCD (Internet Relay Chat Daemon) is a computer program to create an IRC server on which people can talk to each other via the Internet.
17:12<ifvoid>drebs: apt-cache search ircd
17:12<Woet>[2007-8-8 15:06:22] SYSTEM [CRIT]: Server terminating: received signal SIGTERM
17:12<Woet>[2007-8-8 15:37:57] SYSTEM [CRIT]: Server terminating: received signal SIGTERM
17:12<Woet>[2007-8-8 15:43:21] SYSTEM [CRIT]: Server terminating: received signal SIGTERM
17:12<drebs>ifvoid, thanks
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17:12<stew>Woet: stop flooding the channel
17:12<peterS>Woet: no flooding
17:12<Woet>Its not a flood.
17:12<Woet>You wanted to check it right?>
17:12<peterS>yes, that is a flood
17:12|-|eisen [~eisen@xdsl-81-173-157-254.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:12[~]JasonS wonders why so meany folks seem to want to run irc servers lately
17:12<ifvoid>Woet: it is a flood
17:12<simon444>Woet, its water!
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17:12<Woet>they wanted it.. so
17:13<f0rtune>hey, i'm having trouble using the 'kweatherreport' application, are their any help documents for it?
17:13<stew>Woet: if you want to paste, use a pastebin
17:13<ifvoid>JasonS: hmm, indeed
17:13<drebs>ifvoid, do you know why debian uses the oftc irc servers instead of running their own ircd?
17:13<Woet>so..
17:13<Woet>what to do now?
17:13<stew>Woet: no, we didn't want it. you did. you asked how to check the status, you do it by reading the files in /var/log/ircd/ not by pasting them to irc
17:13<simon444>JasonS, uprise in terrorism.
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17:13<peterS>drebs: why should we run our own?
17:13<ifvoid>drebs: why woul ddebian need to run their own servers?
17:13<ifvoid>that's just counterproductive
17:13<drebs>=]
17:13<Woet>[00:13:24] <Woet> what to do now?
17:13<drebs>i don't know.. just asking
17:13<JasonS>ifvoid: indeed, they have better things to do then run a server
17:14<simon444>drebs, becuase it is irc
17:14<azeem>Woet: maybe ask the ircd-icu people about it
17:14<Woet>where are they?
17:14<azeem>Woet: dunno
17:14<stew>Woet: check to see if its listening on any port. if it isn't it probably failed to start, probably due to a configuration error. fix the error and try starting it again
17:14<Convirion>drebs: tried unreal?
17:14<Woet>how to start it?
17:14<Woet>??
17:15<Woet>its on now
17:15<Woet>config error
17:15<stew>Woet: /etc/init.d/ircd-ircu restart
17:15<drebs>Convirion, in fact I am researching about irc servers to choose one to install in our network in the university
17:15<ifvoid>drebs: can't you just use an existing network?
17:15<ifvoid>much less hassle
17:15<ifvoid>much nicer service
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17:15<drebs>i think we could... like which one?
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17:15<drebs>this one? heh
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17:16<ifvoid>for example
17:16<ifvoid>although oftc is rather geared towards oss project
17:16<drebs>well, i don't know about the policies of oftc..
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17:17<JasonS>im sure they're all laid out on oftcs website
17:17<drebs>and i thought it would be a good way to drag people from msn and gtalk servers and use something different to communicate with people from our courses
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17:17<drebs>we also thought on creating a jabber server
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17:18<ifvoid>drebs: well, for something so specific it might make sense to have a local network
17:18<drebs>we want to congregate people, in a common, free, open and secure place
17:18<Woet>how to make myself ircs op in ircd-ircu?
17:18<stew>Woet: with an O line
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17:18<Woet>how to make it?
17:18<streuner>doh
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17:18<simon444>!tell Woet about enter
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17:18<drebs>just another question, i don't have access to apt right now, is there a STABLE irc server? heh
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17:18<stew>Woet: put an O line for your host in /etc/ircd/ircd.conf
17:19<ifvoid>Woet: what about readin some basic docs about irc, about the specific irc server and about Linux?
17:19<Woet>What is an O line? How does it look like?
17:19<simon444>wtf happened to dpkg?
17:19<azeem>Woet: this is off-topic here
17:19<simon444>!enter
17:19<azeem>!hi
17:19<Woet>i removed enter.
17:19<simon444>seems dead
17:19|-|limed_ [~limed@shell.onid.oregonstate.edu] has joined #debian
17:19<streuner>dondelelcaro: dpkg doesn't work in #debian (OFTC)
17:20|-|don_armstrong [~don@archimedes.ucr.edu] has joined #debian
17:20<stew>its on the other side of a netsplit
17:20|-|Nyle [stoned@cpe-24-193-147-226.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
17:20<streuner>fuck
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17:20<simon444>what netsplit?
17:20<stew>Woet: the docs are in /usr/share/doc/ircd-ircu/
17:20<Woet>..
17:20<Woet>i dont like docs
17:20<Woet>plz tell me
17:20<azeem>Woet: no
17:20<simon444>there is no netsplit
17:20<Woet>azeem: yes
17:20|-|Netsplit over, joins: runix__, RetroJ
17:20|-|Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: stroyan, limed, nareshov, sheldonh, stoned, dli, vroom, |dennis|, chihchun, simonrvn, (+15 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them)
17:20<streuner>hm
17:20<simon444>now there is
17:20<azeem>Woet: it's off-topic here, ask elsewhere please
17:20<peterS>Woet: no, you will read docs. if you want to set up an irc server, reading docs is something you have to get used to
17:20<Woet>..
17:20<Woet>docs fail
17:21<ifvoid>!hi
17:21|-|chihchun- changed nick to chihchun
17:21<ranix>docs do not fail
17:21<peterS>Woet: in that case, hire somebody else to configure your irc server. hire somebody who is not afraid to learn things by reading
17:21<simon444>LOL stew can see into the future
17:21|-|Netsplit over, joins: dpkg
17:21<streuner>ifvoid: it hits dpkg just right now
17:21<ranix>you have to learn to read them
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17:21<ifvoid>heh
17:21<streuner>!hi
17:21<dpkg>hello, streuner
17:21<Woet>peterS what about i hire you
17:21<Woet>..
17:21<simon444>!tell Woet about enter\
17:21<simon444>!tell Woet about enter
17:21<stew>simon444: stop
17:21<Woet>i added dpkg to my ignore list
17:22<Woet>so i dont care
17:22<Woet>tbh
17:22<JasonS>sad
17:22<streuner>Woet: that didnt solve the problem, if you going to run a IRC server you should know what you doing
17:22<ifvoid>tbh?
17:22<peterS>Woet: I'm not available for that sort of work, but thanks anyway
17:22<azeem>!tbh
17:22<dpkg>To Be Honest
17:22<ifvoid>ah
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17:22<therealdeal>yo
17:22<ifvoid>hi
17:23<therealdeal>hows it goin
17:23<Th|sD|cK>ifvoid>>> i already error Permission Denied on ./autogen.sh
17:23<Woet>how to login as an irc op?
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17:23<stew>Woet: /help oper
17:23<streuner>just get experience with Debian, but please don't run a IRC-Server with that kind of skillz
17:23<therealdeal>oops
17:23<ifvoid>Woet: please take it to another channel
17:23<ranix>good lord rtfm
17:23<JasonS>Woet: go read the docs,seriously if you're going to run an ircd you best start reading
17:23<Woet>THAT IS A HELP COMMAND. NOT A LOGIN COMMAND
17:24<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: yes
17:24[~]JasonS taps stew in the shoulder
17:24<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: what does ls -la /bin/sh say?
17:24<Woet>im googling
17:24<stew>Woet: don't use caps in channel. the help command tells you how to get the information you are asking about
17:24<Woet>well
17:24<Woet>it doesnt
17:24<Woet>try it yourself
17:24<peterS>Woet: you have an attitude problem. calm down and try to do at least a tiny bit of the work when you ask questions
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17:24<Th|sD|cK>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-07-18 03:27 /bin/sh -> bash
17:24<stew>Woet: i just did. stop hitting enter so often
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17:24<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: and ls -la /bin/bash?
17:24<Woet>well
17:24|-|Seb [~Seb@64-142-51-152.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has joined #debian
17:24<Woet>i dont see the "opers" topic
17:24<Woet>I see "online timer"
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17:25<stew>Woet: stop hitting enter so often
17:25<therealdeal>now now boys
17:25<Th|sD|cK>yes, the output is lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-07-18 03:27 /bin/sh -> bash
17:25<Woet>stew: stop repeating yourself
17:25<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: and ls -la /bin/bash?
17:25<ben_goodger_>Woet: shut up
17:25<peterS>Woet: you're treading on thin ice. several of us are getting tired of you. watch it.
17:25<Ganneff>Woet: then follow his advice
17:25<Woet>./help oper returns an help popup of mIRC here, about Online Timers
17:25<Woet>..
17:25<ifvoid>Woet: please
17:25<ifvoid>Woet: this is not an irc help channel
17:25|-|mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
17:25<Th|sD|cK>yes, the output is lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-07-18 03:27 /bin/sh -> bash
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17:26<therealdeal>inint
17:26<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: no, /bin/bash, not /bin/sh
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17:26<simon444>Woet, help is server/client side
17:26|-|mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ
17:26<peterS>simon444, woet: can you take this to some channel that has to do with IRC, please?
17:26|-|mode/#debian [+q *!*@ip9135f771.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] by stew
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17:26<Th|sD|cK>ok sorry
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17:27<Th|sD|cK>kundalini:/media/archivio1/download/aMuleAdu-3.11b# ls -la /bin/bash -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 769368 2006-12-11 23:28 /bin/bash
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17:27<simon444>peterS, me? I was just helping him like stew
17:27<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: hmmz
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17:27<Filippo_>it
17:27|-|vortek [~vortek@24-180-126-80.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #debian
17:27<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: that seems to be ok
17:27<peterS>simon444: no need to get defensive. just take it elsewhere.
17:27<senki>hi all
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17:27<Th|sD|cK>i already error permission denied
17:27<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: does /bin/sh -c "echo test" work?
17:28<simon444>peterS, I have nothing to take anywhere. I was just answering his question. You want me to answer peoples questions over here elsewhere.
17:28<simon444>Segfualt.
17:28<peterS>simon444: I said, no need to get defensive
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17:28<Th|sD|cK>no output
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17:28<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: weird
17:28<ifvoid>and if you run "bash ./configure" ?
17:29<ifvoid>does that help?
17:29<Th|sD|cK>yes there is output
17:29<Th|sD|cK>wait
17:29<Th|sD|cK>there is 2 errors
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17:30<ifvoid>offf
17:30|-|morpheus [~morpheus@DSL01.83.171.155.118.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #debian
17:30<Th|sD|cK>cannot run C++ compiled programs.
17:30<Th|sD|cK>If you meant to cross compile, use `--host'.
17:30<ranix>I really wanted to link him to a google search for "irc server howto"
17:30<ifvoid>you're probably missing libstdc++ then
17:30<ifvoid>Th|sD|cK: what are you trying to compile?
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17:30<Th|sD|cK>aMuleAdu
17:31<Th|sD|cK>for amd64
17:31<ifvoid>what's that?
17:32<ifvoid>the normal amule is simply available in the archive
17:32<Th|sD|cK>amule....
17:32<ifvoid>apt-get install amule
17:32<Th|sD|cK>i found some crash
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17:32<ifvoid>have you filed a bug?
17:32<Th|sD|cK>then...i found this version for amd64...
17:32<Th|sD|cK>no
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17:33<ifvoid>well, you should
17:33<streuner>dondelelcaro: it was netsplit (dpkg)...
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17:33<Th|sD|cK>i reinstall amule version base?
17:35<ranix>do any of you guys have a suggestion for something fun I could do with my free 1MiB down, 768KiB up connection with no blocked ports and nothing on it but a clean slate debian machine with 15 gigs of hard disk space?
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17:35<ranix>I will put apache2 on it for shits, but nobody will see it
17:36<Knorrie>use your imagination
17:36<ranix>I was wondering if there was something cool to do that I might not know about
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17:36<ranix>I would rather use your imagination, Knorrie, because mine is boring
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17:36<ifvoid>run seti@home or so
17:36<Knorrie>run a gozerbot
17:36<Knorrie>;]
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17:37<chealer>ifvoid: that sounds like a great way to use his m68k
17:38<ifvoid>chealer: well, if he wants to feel useful ;)
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17:39<chealer>ifvoid: oh, if *feeling* useful is fun, sure :) Does seti@home require lots of bandwidth compared to Folding@home?
17:39<ifvoid>nah
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17:40<chealer>ifvoid: K, because I think I ran folding@home on a 56.6 connection.
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17:58<benr75>Hello all... Had a quick question: have several boxes I am installing a software raid on during a fresh install, one of them I messed up, and want to start over. However, no matter what I do the raid info seems to stick around and the thing starts trying to rebuild the array. how do i just start over?
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18:03<ifvoid>benr75: just overwrite the mbr?
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18:03<ifvoid>balthus: or mdadm -r?
18:04<ifvoid>or mdadm --stop, even
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18:07<benr75>ah! ... thx will try it
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18:15<zaikxtox>hello. someone running ext3 with data_writeback journal mode?
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18:40<green_earz>is any one a bit formiluar with upgrade of a xen domU , i asked in debian-xen but there no feed back, so on the off chance i though try here
18:42<green_earz>there no grub install on this domU from what i can see, its got a comstom kernel and a package called " libc6 2.3.2.xen-22 " which seem to be a costom package as will ?
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18:49<green_earz>ranix: start torrent seeding some copy right DVDs > as example the one i track www.bissybox.com
18:49<green_earz>sorry copy right free,
18:51<green_earz>and that should be the 8 I track
18:52<Th|sD|cK>how to know how process use a port?!
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18:53<green_earz>ps -A
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18:56<Th|sD|cK>how to know how process use rpcbind on 111
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18:56<Th|sD|cK>i don't like rpcbind on 111
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18:57<benr75>ifvoid: thx, that finally worked
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19:05<hachi>I'm looking for the ganglia-webfrontend package... gmetad refers to it
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19:06<hachi>anyone know where it is?
19:06<simon444>on bit torrent
19:07<azeem>simon444: please do not give ill advise
19:07<azeem>or talk nonsense
19:08<litage>hachi: have you searched packages.debian.org ?
19:08<hachi>yes
19:09<hachi>I've searched there in all releases, gmetad 'suggests' that package in most of them
19:09<hachi>the package doesn't exist as far as I can tell
19:09<hachi>google gives no results for it
19:09<azeem>and gmetad is a package?
19:09<hachi>yes
19:09<azeem>which is on ftp.debian.org?
19:09<hachi>YES
19:10<azeem>ok
19:10<azeem>why do you need ganglia-webfrontend?
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19:10<hachi>because I want the web frontend?
19:10<azeem>fair enough
19:10<hachi>ganglia is kinda useless without a way to view it
19:10<azeem>well, sorry, no diea
19:10<azeem>idea*
19:11<azeem>hachi: then it wouldn't just suggest it, I guess
19:13<hachi>blah, gmetad started stuggesting that package in december of 2004, and the package doesn't exist yet
19:13<hachi>suggesting, even
19:15<azeem>it's fine to suggest package which do not exist
19:15<hachi>fine according to policy
19:15<azeem>maybe this is some proprietary web service?
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19:15<azeem>hachi: did you read README.Debian?
19:15<hachi>it makes the person annoyed who wants it
19:16<hachi>no such file
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19:17<azeem>ganglia-monitor has a README.Debian at least
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19:18<hachi>contains nothing of note
19:18<hachi>a note from 2002 of someone saying that it runs on i386, or something
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19:19<hachi>oh wait, runs on all archs, most tested on i386
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19:21<a207x>od
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19:26<a207x>Still pondering this kde undocking window thing. Is there a way to undock something in kde which doesn't involve mouse-clicking a button?
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19:40<Atlantiz>anyone know how to config php-common after the install from the synaptic package manager?
19:41<chealer>Atlantiz: what do you want to configure?
19:41<Atlantiz>are there some steps that I can skip since i didn't compile it from source
19:41<Atlantiz>for example if i need to:
19:41<Atlantiz>Setup your php.ini file: cp php.ini-dist /usr/local/lib/php.ini
19:41<Atlantiz>or was it placed somewhere else by the debian synaptic package manager
19:42<chealer>Atlantiz: all configuration files are in /etc/. Debian packages don't install files in /usr/local/
19:43<Atlantiz>excellent i see it there
19:44<Atlantiz>and to load the php module for apache ver 1.x do i need to For PHP 5: LoadModule php5_module libexec/libphp5.so
19:44<Atlantiz>under httpd.conf
19:45<Atlantiz>i'm currently using libapahce-mod-php5
19:45<Atlantiz>*libapache-mod-php5
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20:10<mike>yeh yeh
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20:19<DryRayvin>hi
20:19<DryRayvin>is there anyone around who could help with setting up software raid?
20:20<DryRayvin>i've tried every guide i couldfind in the wiki with no luck, i just get the same error
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20:25<mike>DryRayvin: what error?
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20:37<chule>holasss
20:37<Supaplex>!es
20:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:38<chule>kpkg - ok, thanks.....
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20:45<joojin>ls
20:45<DamianFinol>Hello, quick question: Is there some software that can read like logs and parse them in real time? something like Awstats but more in real time
20:45<DamianFinol>apache logs; syslog, etc
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20:48<AzaTht>Recently when I'm trying to shut down the computer, it just don't really do anything except turning of the screen. Anyone knows what could be the problem?
20:48<DamianFinol>acpi
20:48<DamianFinol>Check if it's enabled
20:49<AzaTht>how?
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20:50<vortek>go to display icon in controll panel
20:50<AzaTht>it feels like the computer enters a wait mode, so I need to turn of the poer manually :(
20:51<vortek>got all the latest updates ?
20:51<vortek>sp2 and such
20:51<AzaTht>DamianFinol: do I need acpid installed?
20:51<AzaTht>vortek: using sid
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20:51<vortek>oh wait wrong channel lol
20:51<AzaTht>haha
20:52<DamianFinol>Um it's a setting on the kernel
20:52<DamianFinol>Don't remember right now how to query it
20:53<DamianFinol>But it's definately ACPI, check google
20:53<AzaTht>DamianFinol: using stock kernel
20:53<DamianFinol>Check if ACPI is enabled on the BIOS
20:53<DamianFinol>in the*
20:53<DamianFinol>Could be disabled
20:53<AzaTht>hmm
20:54<AzaTht>DamianFinol: I've used this kernel before ,and it have worked (2.6.21-1-686)
20:54<AzaTht>and I havn't changed BIOS in years
20:55<DamianFinol>What you describe is a classic ACPI issue. Could be something else, but like I said it's a classic issue, the PC doesn't shut down automatically. So the first thing that pops into mind is ACPI.
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20:55<DamianFinol>Check ACPI and if ACPI is enabled in both the kernel and the BIOS then it could be something else
20:56<DamianFinol>Also, I think halt doesn't shut down the PC automatically, shutdown does
20:56<AzaTht>DamianFinol: it feels like it doesn't enter the shutdown init scrips either
20:57<AzaTht>DamianFinol: when I run halt, it just immediatly blanks the screen, nother more
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20:59<AzaTht>the only thing in the syslog is "shutdown[11837]: shutting down for system halt" and "init: Switching to runlevel: 0"
20:59<AzaTht>nothing after that
20:59<AzaTht>don't know if there should be more
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21:05<AzaTht>DamianFinol: still thinks its acpi?
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21:13<DamianFinol>AzaTht, Think you are using halt instead of shutdown
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21:15<AzaTht>" If halt or reboot is called when the system is not in runlevel 0 or 6, in other words when it’s running nor‐
21:15<AzaTht> mally, shutdown will be invoked instead (with the -h or -r flag). For more info see the shutdown(8) manpage.
21:15<AzaTht>"
21:15<AzaTht>so, it's the same
21:15<AzaTht>nah, need to nite now
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21:16<matthewpoer>How can I find a list of applications/programs that are using a certain kernel module?
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21:16<Juno>is debian pretty simple to set up on a laptop for someone that doesnt have any linux experiance?
21:16<matthewpoer>i.e. I need to unload my audio modules, but they are in use... but I don't know what i usesing them
21:17<matthewpoer>Juno, what type of laptop. It usually depends on the hardware.
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21:17<Juno>hp dv6500
21:17<matthewpoer>fairly recent?
21:17<Juno>i cant find anything about it online, or any success stories
21:17<Juno>brand new
21:18<matthewpoer>oh, so you get to be the community guinea pig!
21:18<stew>matthewpoer: fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/*
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21:18<Juno>pretty much
21:18<Juno>which I dont mind as long as I have enough support around to get it figured out.
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21:18<Juno>but I have VERY little linux experiance
21:18<Juno>and what little I knew I've all ready forgotten
21:18<matthewpoer>Well there is typically good support for Debian/Ubuntu users :)
21:18<matthewpoer>Thank, stew
21:19<matthewpoer>(see what I mean, Juno?)
21:19<Juno>I couldnt get any help with Ubuntu
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21:19<Juno>most people get annoyed when you ask a lot of newb questions
21:20<matthewpoer>There does seem to be a bit of discussion about that computer at the Ubuntu forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3114239
21:20<chealer>Juno: depends on the laptop.
21:21<Atlantiz>anyone with debian and php/apache?
21:21<Atlantiz>I'm trying to find my php.ini
21:22<matthewpoer>Atlantiz: /etc/php5/apache2 for me
21:22<Atlantiz>thanks bro
21:22<matthewpoer>change to php4 if you use it
21:23<matthewpoer>and apache if you use it :)
21:23<Atlantiz>i have apache2/php5
21:23<Atlantiz>and mysql
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21:23<Atlantiz>i heard there is a lot of scary cross script vulns for php4
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21:24<matthewpoer>I haven't looked much into it
21:24<matthewpoer>Juno, according to this (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=489757)
21:24<matthewpoer>Ubuntu Feisty installs reasonably well. There are minor issues with video, sound, and wireless networking
21:24<matthewpoer>heh...
21:25<matthewpoer>(by the way, you may not know this: Ubuntu is Debian based. This means that 95% of the tips you see for Ubuntu will work with Debian, and vice-versa)
21:25<matthewpoer>But, they seem to have been able to fix each thing.
21:25<matthewpoer>You may want to go with Ubuntu Feisty, as that is more documented. But you could go the Debian way, as well.
21:27<Atlantiz>yea i have debian and I've used ubuntu tips i can vouch for it :D
21:28<matthewpoer>Same packaging system, same filesystem layout (althogh that is most linux...), and Ubuntu was originally based on a version of Debian Testing, so most Debian packages exist in some form though the Ubuntu "universe" or "multiverse" even if Conical doesn't explicitly support them.
21:29<Atlantiz>to LoadModule php5_module modules/libphp5.so for apache2 does that go in httpd.conf or apache2.conf
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21:30<Atlantiz>the manual says httpd.conf...but that's empty on mine
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21:31<matthewpoer>Atlantiz, did you install the package form of apache2 and php5?
21:31<Atlantiz>you mean in that order?
21:31<matthewpoer>no necessarily
21:31<matthewpoer>*not necessarily
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21:31<Atlantiz>but yes i have those
21:31<matthewpoer>but you installed the packages, not from source, right?
21:32<Atlantiz>yes packages
21:32<matthewpoer>do you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed?
21:32<Atlantiz>yes sir
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21:33<matthewpoer>Because the package should configure itself
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21:33<matthewpoer>Actually, I would like to help you more, but I have to help my wife pick out a dresser. Drop me an email matthewpoer@gmail.com if you are still having trouble later.
21:33<Atlantiz>ok cool thanks man
21:33<matthewpoer>later guys
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21:34<chealer>Atlantiz: why do you want to do that?
21:35<Atlantiz>i was trying to load the php5 module
21:35<Atlantiz>like in here:http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php
21:36<chealer>Atlantiz: that's documentation for the install from upstream source. are you sure you need to do that?
21:36<Atlantiz>no :(
21:37<chealer>Atlantiz: then it's probably useless (already done)
21:37<Atlantiz>ah i see thanks
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21:58<vander>Hello
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22:00<vortek> /topic
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22:01<vortek>im running a lenny lol
22:01<vortek>aint he the fat one
22:02<vortek>oh the binoculars
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22:12<Stumbles>hi, I was wondering if it's possible to set up RAID 1 for an existing Debian install
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22:17<vander>Stumbles: a complicated thing, but not impossible
22:18<Stumbles>vander: ah, rightyo -- easier to just re-install perhaps?
22:18<vander>Stumbles: but may be you need fisical access
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22:20<Tb0n3>hello, I've looked and looked and can't seem to figure out why tightvncserver or any other vncserver won't accept connections from any viewers. I have it enabled, I have the ports 5900 and 5800 forwarded and it just can't connect to it
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22:20<Stumbles>Tb0n3: could it be a firewall blocking the connection?
22:21<Stumbles>Tb0n3: or are you behind a NAT router?
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22:23<Stumbles>Tb0n: oops, I gather you are behind NAT but have that sorted
22:23<Tb0n3>I've forwarded the ports
22:23<Tb0n3>:/
22:23<Stumbles>and no firewall software on the server?
22:23<Tb0n3>I tried vnc4server and a vnc viewer on the same network too
22:23<Tb0n3>nope
22:24<Tb0n3>it seems like it should work
22:24<Tb0n3>I activate it on :1 I try to connect to tightvnc with tightvnc but that doesn't work either
22:24<Stumbles>do other connections from outside work? eg. SSH, web server...
22:25<Tb0n3>this irc session is on that machine, ssh'd
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22:26<Stumbles>That's my ideas about exhausted, sorry
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22:27<Tb0n3>T_T
22:27<Tb0n3>have you had one working? and was there anything extra you had to do to get it working?
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22:28<Stumbles>Yes, i've had a remote VNC server working. Didn't require anything unusual.
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22:29<Stumbles>vander: thanks, btw
22:29<Tb0n3>wow, wonder if it has anything to do with the server being a 366MHz
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22:32<vander>Stumbles: about software raid 1, is better backup and reinstall...
22:33<Stumbles>cheers
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22:54<jdhore>Is there anything i can do to "cheat" so my CPU doesn't try to scale it's frequency to save power ( i have a laptop)?
22:56<manphiz>jdhore, simply change the scaling governor to performance
22:56<jdhore>manphiz, and how would i go about doing that? (i'm about 90% sure it's not in the BIOS)
22:57<manphiz>jdhore, of course not. If you are using cpufrequtils, you can change it by modifying /etc/default/cpufrequtils
22:57<jdhore>ty
22:58<manphiz>but I'll recommend ondemand, which is more friendly
22:59<jdhore>my /etc/default/cpufrequtils file was empty
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22:59<Stumbles>/etc/default/cpufreq-utils
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23:00<Stumbles>jdhore: you should use tab completion ;)
23:00<jdhore>lol...i usually do :P
23:01<jdhore>i did a ls in /etc/default and i don't see anything that begins with cpu
23:01<manphiz>strange... mine is without the hyphen...
23:01<manphiz>jdhore, apt-get install cpufrequtils first
23:01<jdhore>already installed
23:01<manphiz>that's weird...
23:02<manphiz>jdhore, which release are you using? etch/lenny/sid?
23:02<Stumbles>manphiz: you're right, my mistake, was copying from my notebook
23:02<jdhore>lenny
23:02<manphiz>Stumbles, :)
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23:03<Stumbles>they joys of no longer having to configure a laptop :D
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23:04<manphiz>well, apt-file didn't show anything in /etc/default either. maybe you can copy one from /usr/share/doc/cpufrequtils/examples/cpufrequtils.sample
23:05<jdhore>well...i am now installing cpufreqd...That might provide something easier
23:05<manphiz>maybe, but the configuration file is way more complex :)
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23:05<jdhore>ahh
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23:07<jdhore>cat: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors: No such file or directory
23:08<manphiz>well, you didn't modprobe the corresponding cpufreq modules
23:08<jdhore>i know how to modprobe stuff, but is there a general thing i should modprobe or is there a way to find the specific driver i need?
23:09<manphiz>modprobe -l | grep cpufreq
23:09<manphiz>that should show the driver and the scaling governor
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23:11<jdhore>i see some cpufreq drivers and some scaling governers...I've got a 2.4GhZ P4 in here (Northwood)...anything you'd recommend?
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23:12<manphiz>jdhore, what's your kernel version?
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23:12<jdhore>2.6.22-1
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23:13<manphiz>oh ok, then 'modprobe acpi-cpufreq' should be sufficient, which is said to be able to choose the right driver for you. And you may have to modprobe the cpufreq_*.ko governor stuff as well.
23:14<jdhore>FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
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23:15<manphiz>that's weird, it works in my box...
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23:16<jdhore>The only one of the drivers that i thought might work that i was able to install was p4-clockmod
23:17<manphiz>yea, try it on
23:18<jdhore>ok, that one works and so did cpufreq_ondemand
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23:20<manphiz>great
23:20<jdhore>ok, now copy the example conf to the /etc/defaults directory...should i put the space in the filename or do it without the space?
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23:21<simonrvn_>it's /etc/default not defaults
23:21<jdhore>sorry... /etc/default
23:21<simonrvn_>:)
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23:23<jdhore>so...i just modprobe those modules, enable ondemand in cpufrequtils and set my min and max speeds and that's it? (nothing else i have to enable or turn on for the future or anything?)
23:26<manphiz>yea, it'll be ok. run /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils will turn it on
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23:27<jdhore>CPUFreq Utilities: Setting ondemand CPUFreq governor...CPU0...failed.
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23:29<Waddledee>Do the nv drivers support OpenGL? If so, do I need to do something special to make it work in MPlayer (like load another package)?
23:30<jdhore>no they do not
23:31<jdhore>OK, it seems i was able to start the performance governor, but not ondemand for some odd reason
23:32<Waddledee>All right. That makes my question: in MPlayer, I can find two player modes that work, xv and x11. xv doesn't respect my X gamma setting, while x11 doesn't go fullscreen. Is there a way I can make either of them work properly? Some setting to change?
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23:46<Brudus>Is it possible on a windows machine to use remote desktop to connect to my linux machine.
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23:51<Guest227>im having some serious issues with a dell inspiron 2350... ive tried about 10 flavors of linux ... all end with a kernel panic, did some googling and its apparently something with the BIOS ... anyone know of a fix?
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23:51<Guest227>it gets about to where it would populate the dev file system and it dies
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23:51<gsimmons>Brudus: You'd need to install xrdp (on your linux machine) to provide the necessary RDP server.
23:52<pabs>what issues should I look for if findsmb produces nothing? iptables seems ok
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23:56<Brudus>gsimmons, if I install and setup xrdp will i need to install any additional software on the windows side, or can I use microsofts "remost desktop" application.
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23:57<gsimmons>Brudus: Only a RDP client is required.
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