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---Logopened Thu Aug 09 00:00:59 2007
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00:40<wira>allow...?
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00:41<paolo>hi all
00:41<twb>In Windows XP, you just do Hyper+r mstsc RET
00:41<paolo>anybody know why webmin has been removed from Debian?
00:41<twb>(Instead of M-f2 rdesktop RET)
00:41<twb>paolo: because no one wanted to maintain it.
00:41<streuner_>paolo: /msg dpkg webmin
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00:45<twb>Suppose I have a customer who is not really technical, knows enough to follow a bouncing ball. They want to do simple things like adding a new user to the server without having to ring me up and wait for me to get around to sshing into their server to do it. Is there an alternative to webmin for such a use case, for a headless server?
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00:45<jm_>twb: yeah
00:45<twb>What is that alternative?
00:46<jm_>just a sec
00:46<jm_>it's only in testing so I always have to search my logs to find it
00:46<twb>I notice Ubuntu has a stub for something that sounds awfully like webmin
00:46<twb>`landscape' or something
00:47<jm_>dtc
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00:48<jm_>ahh it's not in testing either ATM
00:48<jm_>http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html
00:48<twb>Wow, that's a lot of dependencies
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00:49<twb>Not that I have any faith in code written using PHP and MySQL
00:49<jm_>hehe
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00:50<jm_>it would make sense to have those as recommendations/suggestions and simply disable given module if the tool is not found
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00:51<twb>And their website renders totally wrong in netsurf
00:53<jm_>!free whcp
00:53<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>.
00:53<twb>Hahaha, and it's just a ½cm² when you render it with html2ps
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00:53<twb>Fuckwits.
00:54<jm_>maybe one of the above can be used instead
00:55<twb>Well, if it was up to me we wouldn't do it at all.
00:56<twb>FSVO we = the company I work for
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00:58<twb>Rounded corners in form headings are what really MAKES a system administration tool robust and powerful, IMO </sarcasm>
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01:20<thctlo2>Good morning everybody, i have a boot problem, i made my software raid, this went ok, but i forgot 2 update the initrd . now i have a wrong fstab and my server is unable to boot.
01:21<thctlo2>i im on the file system atm, ( in initrd ) , but need to remount /
01:22<thctlo2>with df -h , i see rootfs mounted to / , but not /dev/md0 , i only need to know howto remount this, somebody knows howto do this.
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01:27<twb>thctlo2: no you don't.
01:27<networkgamer>whats the installation path for iceweasel for flash player
01:28<twb>You need to mount either md0 (or one of its constituents, under RAID1) and edit the fstab there, then just reboot
01:28<networkgamer>something like /usr/lib/iceweasel
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01:28<jm_>networkgamer: depends, you can have it in home dir, or system wide
01:28<twb>networkgamer: you should be able to just aptitude install it
01:28<networkgamer>i just want flahsplayer installed
01:28<jm_>networkgamer: it will work automatically if you use apt to install it
01:28<twb>(Assuming it's available for your architecture, the proprietary bastards)
01:29<networkgamer>well i did apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
01:29<thctlo2>hi twb, but im still in initrd, i believe this is read only.. i can save but when rebooted im in the same problemen.
01:29<networkgamer>but it said its already installed
01:29<networkgamer>but flash doesnt work
01:29<twb>thctlo2: you don't edit /etc/fstab
01:29<twb>thctlo2: you edit etc/fstab on the root partition.
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01:30<thctlo2>ok, and when thats done, it should be fixed.. ;-)
01:30<thctlo2>i'll try
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01:35<thctlo2>jahoo, you the men. twb, thanx. :D
01:35<thctlo2>now i just need to fix my grub, i can do that ;-)
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01:44<twb>*yahoo, man
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01:51<b0b[1]>buenas noches
01:52<jm_>!es
01:52<JoY>GNU/Morning
01:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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01:52<b0b[1]>roger that
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01:57<irwiss>Is there some package I have to install to control backlight on a laptop? A fairly recent HP pavillion(dv6160ea) one to be precise
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01:59<jm_>I remember reading about that a day or two ago on Debian Planet
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02:01<Metalqga>radeontool
02:02<jm_>no, there was something else for i810
02:03<Metalqga>i just looked it up in synaptic :D
02:03<jm_>can't remember who blogged about it
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02:04<Metalqga>my old laptop has a bios feature (two keys contorlling it) no software needed
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02:55<WildOS>Hi, guys =)
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02:58<WildOS>In a I've got an minimal debian distro with kernel 2.6.20 running on a cramfs read only file system. When reading /proc/meminfo I can see that the amount of free memory is decreasing linearly, even though I am not running anything.. Is this a bug? or is the kernel adding loginfo etc to a ramdisk somewhere? My embedded controller hangs after a day or so :(
02:59<jm_>!free ram
02:59<dpkg>Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'.
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03:06<vilhjalms>hi
03:08<WildOS>jm_: on my embedded system, free doesn't list cache at all..
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03:11<klys>vilhjalms: hil
03:11<WildOS>jm_: but it shows in the meminfo file =) thanks
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03:11<jm_>WildOS: maybe it's the tool that doesn't show it (i.e. some busybox variant)
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03:16<klaus>hi
03:18<klaus>ich bin neu hir und habe auch neu debian
03:18<jm_>!de
03:18<dpkg>[de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
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03:21<patxi>Hi all,
03:22<patxi>Where can I found a good howto LTSP documentation for Debian Lenny and LTSP 5?
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03:44<WildOS>jm_: I made a script that copy MemFree, Buffers and cached every minute. I've found that Buffers + Cache is increased with 20kB every minute, while MemFree is decreased with 28kB every minute. Does that mean there is a memory leak in there somewhere that eats 8kB every minute?
03:45<jm_>WildOS: no, it means OS is using your memory for buffers/cache
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03:46<WildOS>jm_: but according to the meminfo file, there 20kB is used for buffers+cache. Where did the 8kB go?
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03:47<jm_>WildOS: hard to say, look at how much individual processes are using
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03:47<vilhjalms>does anybody here use openwbem ?
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03:52<WildOS>jm_: top only shows memory in %. Is there some other tool that is better for that task?
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03:54<Berge>WildOS: top can display memory in kb as well.'
03:54<jm_>WildOS: top shows absolute numbers, ps or see /proc/<pid>/stat* files
03:54<Berge>WildOS: (That's what VIRT, SHR and RES are.)
03:55<WildOS>Thanks =)
03:55<Berge>np (-:
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03:56<Berge>Although memory usage for a given program is a bit difficult to describe.
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03:58<alex_>WildOS, goblins are in your memory, eating your bytes
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04:07<grumpf`stage> hello
04:08<grumpf`stage>someone to help me with crontab ?
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04:09<grumpf`stage>when I put touch /home/user/blu_`date +'%A'`.truc in my crontab it doesn't work
04:09<alex_>!ask
04:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
04:10<grumpf`stage>though it works when i try in console
04:10<grumpf`stage>the cron daemon mails me that:
04:10<alex_>um
04:10<grumpf`stage>/bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `''
04:10<grumpf`stage>/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
04:10<alex_>escape the %A mayb?
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04:11<grumpf`stage>but its part of the commande
04:11<alex_>ah
04:11<alex_>get crontab to run a bash script
04:11<alex_>and in that bash script do your touch
04:12<alex_>see if that works
04:12<sheldonh>grumpf`stage: use a pastebin to show us the crontab content
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04:12<grumpf`stage>mmm i'll try the script (i should have thought trying that)
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04:15<jm_>grumpf`stage: use $(date "+%A")
04:16<grumpf`stage>it works when in a bash script, but not with the right locale for date
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04:16<grumpf`stage>i'll try jm_
04:17[~]Fill is back from Getting some sleep ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZ. I was gone for 10hrs 23mins —M-e-R-L-i-N—
04:17<Fill>hey
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04:17<Fill>I just wanted to know this. ... Does Linux has any kind of interval to periodically renew its network ip address?
04:18<jm_>grumpf`stage: ahh %A will output day name, maybe use number instead, or generally make sure it's OK for shell
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04:18<litage>Fill: if you use dhcp, you can set the timeout
04:18<Fill>I connect trhough router, and I used router's DHCP server to give me a static ip address on the local network, but a few minutes ago my cimputer just disconnected and connected again by himself
04:18<Fill>lol
04:18<grumpf`stage>but i need day name
04:19<grumpf`stage>so that it will overwrite every week
04:19<botdotnl>This is going to sound rediculous but please understand I am NOT a wannabe cracker; It's 5:18 EST and my brother leaves for his college career (freshman) in 3 hours to drive 15 hrs to pensylvania
04:19<Fill>so litage, technically I set it in the router firmware
04:19<botdotnl>I just installed debian but apparently at installation
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04:19<botdotnl>mistyped his root pw by 1 char
04:19<jm_>using day name will overwrite too: %u
04:19<botdotnl>Is there anything that I can do to remedy this without reinstalling everything in a rush? (thought I'd have it set up by now, amd-64 4.0r0
04:19<jm_>err day number
04:20<jm_>!i forgot root's password
04:20<dpkg>1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
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04:21<grumpf`stage>mmm well $(date "+%A") doesn't work, but since the bash script works, I won't lose to much time on it and work with it :)
04:21<botdotnl>Thank you jm_, helpful as always
04:21<grumpf`stage>thanx all
04:22<litage>Fill: i believe so
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04:26<botdotnl>jm_, init=/bin/sh unknown command
04:26<botdotnl>I didn't even know you could do this editing strange
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04:27<mifBC>не кого нет =(
04:27<botdotnl>!ru
04:27<dpkg>somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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04:29<mifBC>есть кто?
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04:29<mifBC>не кого нет...
04:29<jm_>botdotnl: what did you do?
04:29<jm_>!ru
04:29<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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04:30<test>Hello
04:30<botdotnl>jm_ I can log in as user shire just don't have root pw - I held e got to additional boot stuff edited init=/bin/sh to the end and booted
04:30<botdotnl>It said unknown or error 27 and that it was an unknown command... i'm thinking about just trying root password like 100 diff ways
04:30<botdotnl>would be faster than reinstall
04:31<jm_>botdotnl: are you using grub?
04:31<botdotnl>Yes
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04:32<jm_>paste your menu.lst somewhere
04:32<jm_>!paste
04:32<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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04:32<botdotnl>it's not avail - no permission
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04:33<botdotnl>I want to edit it in the following following install but alas mistyped root pw I am so frustrated
04:33<botdotnl>came home to do this for brother before he went to school
04:33<jm_>reboot, press c when grub menu shows up
04:33<botdotnl>Thanks so much jm_ you rule
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04:34<jm_>botdotnl: then go to kernel command line, press e and add " init=/bin/sh" at the end without "
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04:34<botdotnl>In case you wondered why juLoqs bot been 'ere
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04:34<botdotnl>thanks
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04:36<botdotnl>Seems that c isn't repsonding tryig again
04:37<jm_>ahh use e, I forgot, just interrupt it and read the scren
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04:37<botdotnl>Yeah c's not bringing it up; sucks I'm not even at the hard part yet... noticed that menu.list was locked at same time I noticed root pw was fudged by my fat fingers
04:38<jm_>it should list the keys at the bottom
04:38<botdotnl>I was going to edit/boot/grub/menu.list; default 1; timeout 5; title windows if you want it... t minus ::vomit::; root; title windows; root (hd0,0)
04:38<botdotnl>etc... yes trying e
04:39<botdotnl>init=/bin/sh goes after kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2*
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04:40<botdotnl>or on it's own after savedefault?
04:40<botdotnl>by after kernel; i mean is that the "kernel command line" that i have to add to? or should i put it at the end of this 4line file making it a 5line file?
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04:42<botdotnl>if i hit c it takes me to the grub> command line where init=/bin/sh is error 27 unrecognized command again spits me back to grub terminal
04:42<jm_>kernel /blabla/vmlinuz ... init=/bin/bash
04:42<jm_>yeah use e
04:42<botdotnl>This is grub 0.97 Network install debian 4.0r0 etch, amd64 arch
04:42<botdotnl>aah nice
04:44<botdotnl>Nice it's booting...
04:44<botdotnl>omfg
04:44<botdotnl>!enter
04:44<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
04:44<jm_>you're not done yet, you'll need to follow the rest of dpkg's instructions
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04:45<botdotnl>posi; you're the shit jm_ and this is def a learning experience, didn't know this existed
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04:47<jm_>you could also use Debian installation CD in rescue mode
04:47<jm_>or any other live CD
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04:49<botdotnl>This is insane, what's the catch? how can't I do it to other machines locally?
04:49<yang>jm_: does debian LIVE cd has Luks/crypto tools?
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04:50<jm_>yang: I have no idea
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04:50<SAouthernC>ok i try to install a binary ./hldsupdatetool.bin and it says no such file or directory when it cleary exists and is set to execute
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04:51<SAouthernC>any ideas ?
04:51<koollman>SAouthernC: strace ./hldsupdatetool.bin
04:51<koollman>it can gives some hints on what is really tried
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04:52<SAouthernC>notta
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04:53<SAouthernC>just says a bunch of stuff about no such file or directory when i know its there
04:53<SAouthernC>you ever heard of a chmod 1600700
04:53<SAouthernC>?
04:53<SAouthernC>thats what its set to
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04:53<SAouthernC>..
04:54<SAouthernC>doesnt sound right
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05:02<fair> b,.
05:02<fair>h;
05:02<fair>fh
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05:03<marshcast>could anyone suggest reasons why non-admin accounts on thius machine are losing connection to the web? admin accounts (not root) keep the connection constantly :/
05:04<marshcast>I should say that I am using ubuntu - but their chatroom cannot offer any reasons as to why this may be hapening.
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05:15<panagos>how can i make shared objects able to execute by themselves? (like /lib/ld-linux.so can, e.g.)
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05:25<jm_>panagos: you can specify your own entry point
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05:30<panagos>jm_: how do i do that? in C
05:30<panagos>jm_: i tried to compile hello world into an so, and it didn't work!
05:32<panagos>and btw is there a channel more specific to C/C++/etc programming?
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05:33<_Staz>#c on Freenode
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05:35<jm_>panagos: uhh man ld
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05:37<jm_>panagos: i.e. -entry switch of linker
05:40<jm_>panagos: don't forget to specify interpreter to use
05:41<harpal>I want to do that when system shutdown then it should beep. how can I do that?
05:41<jm_>panagos: http://durgaprasad.wordpress.com/2006/09/28/make-a-shared-library-which-can-be-executable-in-linux/
05:41<jm_>harpal: how can it beep if it's off?
05:42<harpal>jm_: before halting can it beep?
05:42<cahoot>harpal, dosen't it already send a warning beep when initiatiing shutdown?
05:43<harpal>no
05:43<jm_>harpal: ahh add an init script that will beep
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05:46<harpal>so I should add an script which beeps and when shutdown it calls stops in that script so it beeps, right?
05:48<jm_>yeah
05:48<klys>harpal: see the qreboot patch, if you are looking for shutdown-time kernel code. with a script, it does not stop there
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05:50<monra>hello
05:51<audioman>hi, anybody here familiar with making bootable usb disks with debian? I want to flash my dvd drive's firmware and need to boot dos to run it and can't seem to get it to work
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05:51<jm_>there are bootable freedos CD-s
05:52<audioman>I know that I can boot usb disks because I installed debian from one, I used a hp disk utility under windows to make that disk, I could go and use the same method, but I want to learn to do the same under debian
05:52<audioman>yeah, that would be my "last" option, to go dig around for a cd-rw
05:52<petemc>!usb install
05:52<dpkg>usb-install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian
05:55<audioman>hhhm
05:55<satheesh_>Hi am doing some copy stuff in Makefile.am, but when i run Makefile:1043: *** missing separator. Stopit is giving some errors like
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06:00<ice-11>hi there. could someone please tell me how to convert an .lzm file to a dir that I can read in linux?
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06:00<ice-11> for example: lzm2dir ipwraw-ng.lzm /
06:00<MoDaX>!search lzm
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06:01<MoDaX>ice-11: apt-cache search lzm
06:01<ice-11>only package is lzma
06:02<ice-11>hmm and p7zip-full
06:02<ice-11>i've already installed both of them
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06:03<MoDaX>ice-11: neither works?
06:03<ice-11>MoDax: do you know how to convert with either of those tools? I don't know how
06:04<ice-11>7zip doesn't recognize the file and lzma does nothing
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06:04<satheesh_>Hi can any one tell me how to create a directory using Makefile.am
06:04<MoDaX>ice-11: what does `file ipwraw-ng.lzm` say?
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06:05<ice-11>ipwraw-ng.lzm: data
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06:05<MoDaX>hmm
06:06<ice-11>indeed :p
06:06<ice-11>http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=7260
06:06<ice-11>referenced from there
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06:06<ice-11>lzm2dir is a slax tool for live cds.
06:06<manphiz>try unlzma
06:07<manphiz>or man lzma
06:08<MoDaX>satheesh_: irc://irc.freenode.net/#c maybe they will know
06:08<ice-11>looking...
06:08<ice-11>hmm
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06:10<ice-11>i don't see anything obvious in the man of lzma...
06:10<satheesh_>THANKS
06:10<ice-11>and unlzma is lzma -d ...
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06:11<kadir>hi im find free or (max 20$/year debian server-vps) know=?
06:12<kadir>i find last year in sf.net banners
06:12<kadir>but i forget it
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06:17<alex_>kadir, ...........
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06:17<ice-11>...
06:17<alex_>kadir, there is nothing for free in this world
06:17<alex_>and for $20 a year your looking at a 50mhz with 8 meg of ram 64 meg hdd vps
06:18<alex_>kadir, i can host that for you
06:18<ice-11>lol
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06:21<kadir>:) thanks
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06:34<audioman>anybody know a reference on how different methods of booting work? for example how is usb-hdd vs. cd handled
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06:35<TheCount>hello! :)
06:36<TheCount>how can I install etch on a system with a USB keyboard, but no USB legacy support in the BIOS?
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06:36<TheCount>the netinst CD boots (I can fully use the ISOLINUX prompt etc), but upon asking my language I can't continue, as no keypress is recognized.
06:36<alex_>look at logs and see if the kernal has detected it : tail -f /var/logs/messages
06:36<alex_>oh,
06:36<alex_>get a ps/2 keyboard
06:37<TheCount>alex_: no PS/2 connectors
06:37<Convirion>Hi
06:37<alex_>whats a bios doing with no UBS legcy support and has no PS/2 connectors?
06:37<alex_>stupid computers
06:37<TheCount>alex_server: beats me :)
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06:37<jm_>try booting with linux noapic nolapic
06:37<TheCount>jm_: trying ..
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06:38<TheCount>jm_: wow! this works! thanks!
06:38<jm_>TheCount: it's in FAQ ...
06:38<Convirion>I've just installed Debian etch, and I made a FAT32 partition of 20GB for windows and linux. but when i'm trying to click on the hdd it says:
06:38<TheCount>jm_: whoops? did I miss it?
06:38<jm_>TheCount: I don't know
06:39<Metalqga>jm_ why is apic so buggy? it causes random connection loss, and the only way to reconnect was to reboot
06:39<Convirion>Can't atatch volume: libibhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
06:39<Convirion>process 4888: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
06:39<Convirion>error: device /dev/hda11 is not removable
06:39<Convirion>error: could not execute pmount
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06:40<Convirion>sorry for the flood
06:40<jm_>Metalqga: I have no idea, I have it disabled because I don't trust it
06:40<Metalqga>i boot with noapic option in the grub menu
06:40<Convirion>can someone help me?
06:40<Metalqga>and no problems
06:41<Metalqga>have you edited the fstab file?
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06:41<Convirion>who me? don't think so, im kinda noob :)
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06:41<Metalqga>gedit /etc/fstab
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06:43<Convirion>http://convirion.pastebin.com/m6c238596
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06:48<audioman>if I have understood correctly have to install a MBR and copy system files (for example the contents of freedos's .iso) ? is there anything else I have to do to make my usb media bootable (the bios part works)
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06:50<jm_>http://wiki.fdos.org/Installation/BootDiskCreateUSB
06:50<jm_>first hit on google
06:51<audioman>tried that one already, I'll read it through and try again
06:52<audioman>I think I have a better understanding of syslinux after the 8h of surfing on google trying to figure this out ;)
06:52<jm_>syslinux is rather trivial :)
06:53<jm_>but you don't need that for DOS
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06:54<audioman>I know this whole thing probably trivial once I figure it out
06:54<audioman>it's always one command that you miss, and once you find it.. everything just opens up
06:55<jm_>yeah you must have made a mistake during one of those steps
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07:02<Metalqga>http://gparted.sourceforge.net/liveusb.php
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07:07<audioman>is there any around rebooting after fdisking my usb stick, to make the kernel use the new table?
07:07<jm_>sfdisk -R should suffice
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07:31<audioman>case of "dunno what I did but it works", now my usb disk booted grub, still need to get the right files on it, but at least I got it to boot
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07:32<Metalqga>what do you want to do with your usb memory?
07:32<Metalqga>just interested
07:33<audioman>I want to flash my dvd firmware, need dos to use the flash tool
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07:33<audioman>figured I would learn to use usb booting (no floppy drive in my computer)
07:33<Metalqga>better than burning cds
07:34<audioman>dunno why but cd's never really give me a good vibe
07:34<audioman>having a usb disk seems better
07:34<audioman>dunno what the costs for me/enviroment are though
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07:35<audioman>but my usb disk has been going strong for at least 3 years
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07:35<Metalqga>still havent bought one, i'm using my mp3 player :D
07:35<alex_>i use my cellphone
07:35<alex_>1gb memory
07:36<alex_>god enough
07:36<alex_>good*
07:36<alex_>admittatly i need a usb -> cellphone cable if i want to transfer data tho
07:36<alex_>so doesnt really count
07:37<Metalqga>it would be fun carrying a debian installation in your cell phone
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07:56<piju>anybody here using debian testing ?
07:57<azeem>piju: what do you think?
07:57<azeem>there's several hundred people in here
07:57<twb>!anybody
07:57<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
07:58<piju>ok
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08:00<nieklinn>good day everyone. im interested into becoming a debian developer, but i'm unsure where to start. i've read all the documents on http://www.debian.org/devel/ already. im best at programming C, here is a project im working for example: http://sf.net/projects/rhino-ircd
08:00<jm_>heh
08:00<twb>!nm
08:00<dpkg>i heard nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/
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08:01<azeem>nieklinn: just start to package projects, or contribute to existing packages by sending patches or triaging bug reports
08:01<twb>!mentor
08:01<dpkg>hmm... mentor is i heard mentor is tarzeau's hero, and, also, the one mumbling to himself in the corner (stay away from him). He can't type. and he hates PDF files, especially badly written ones (hear that QDI!). The name is an ironic comment an his ability (or maybe yours) for the uninitiated. grammatically conscious. No, not the Hacker's Manifesto either.
08:01<twb>Bah.
08:01<twb>!mentors
08:01<dpkg>rumour has it, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/
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08:01<twb>nieklinn: note that you don't need to be an official DD to contribute to Debian.
08:02<nieklinn>hmm okey
08:03<ifvoid>nieklinn: generally, you will need to have been contributing to debian already before you can apply to become a maintainer
08:04<jm_>and you'll need lots of patience
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08:06<nieklinn>okey i understand. still im not sure where what to do next, what would be a good project to contribute on then? sorry for being stupid..
08:06<ifvoid>nothing stupid about your questions
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08:06<stew>nieklinn: you aren't being stupid, we're happy to have people asking how they can help.
08:07<nieklinn>ah okey :)
08:07<ifvoid>nieklinn: most propestice contributers start by creating a package that they want to upload to the archive
08:07<ifvoid>nieklinn: but there are also other tasks you can work on
08:07<stew>nieklinn: a great way to become involved quicky is helping fix bugs, especially release critical bugs, http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php
08:07<ifvoid>porting, website maintainace, translation, bug triaging, etc
08:07<ifvoid>depends on what you're interested in
08:07<stew>nieklinn: qa.debian.org has other things that need help
08:08<ifvoid>and there's also http://www.us.debian.org/devel/todo/
08:08<stew>and http://debian.org/devel/wnpp
08:08<nieklinn>okey i'll bookmark them all now
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08:11<nieklinn>i have already a package i created, it's a small irc daemon in C, on http://sf.net/projects/rhino-ircd.
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08:12<nieklinn>ah on http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php are all bugs which need to be fixed right
08:13<ifvoid>no, just the release-critical bugs
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08:13<stew>(the highest priority bugs)
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08:13<audioman>lol, this is getting weirder by the minute
08:14<audioman>I had pulled a cd-rw earlier, and put in the drive, so I wouldn't have to go look for it later
08:14<audioman>imagine my suprise when my system for some reason manages to boot freedos
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08:14<audioman>and there's the wrong files, different utils for flashing than the ones I installed
08:15<audioman>I pull a random cd and it's got freedos + flash on it ;)
08:16<MBR>i'm interested in developing my one apps under linux. the languages i've done in the past are. basic based and pascal based. what ide would go about using under linux
08:16<nieklinn>okey, so ill need to be running sid first. i'll install one on a vmware machine. i think fixing bugs is the best to start :)
08:16<audioman>MBR: nice nick ;)
08:17<MBR>like that? heh
08:18<MBR>i got the name years ago because i wrote a Trojan and claimed it destroyed the mbr. it didn't. it just formatted the hard drive. way back in DOS 6.22 days
08:18<MBR>6.2 i mean
08:19<stew>nieklinn: you don't necessarily need to be running sid. you can be running stable or testing and install sid into a chroot in order to do testing / bugfixing
08:19<MBR>ya know. back when we were all 13 and knew everything and thought it was cool to be a dumb ass computer punk. lol
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08:20<stew>nieklinn: if you thing your ircd should be included in debian, you might make the .diff.gz and the .dsc publicly available and have people from either http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors or #debian-mentors look it over to see what needs to be improved, then try to find someone to sponsor the package
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08:25<audioman>MBR: I am getting to a point at which I'm laughing at my imcompetence, I just can't figure out how to make a simple bootable usb disk with freedos on it. Have been at it for hours. That's probably part of the problem. I know I could just burn a cd or do it under windows. but a man's gotta have principles ;) and using debian is one of them
08:26<MBR>deb and based distros do kick ass
08:26<MBR>i have no experaince with bootable usb drives and none what so ever with freedos. sorry can't help
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08:27<audioman>there's tons of info on google
08:27<audioman>but for some reason it's too complicated for me :)
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08:28<audioman>so I'll probably just have to live without it
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08:31<twb>*incompetence
08:31<audioman>see
08:31<audioman>I even spelled it wrong
08:32<twb>MBR: there is a Pascal compiler for Debian
08:32<audioman>;)
08:32<twb>What IDE you use basically depends on what language you're writing, unless you're already addicted to a particular general-purpose environment like Emacs or Eclipse.
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08:42<xuwei>ls -1 | xorgs tar xvjf ?
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08:50<holx>hi
08:50<holx>I have a noob question
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08:51<tarzeau>holx: what is it?
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08:52<holx>what are keycodes for < and >
08:52<holx>I want to remap keys to them, as my keyboard hasn't got either
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08:53<stew>holx: then you need the keysym, not the keycode, right?
08:53<holx>yes
08:54<holx>I want to map them to key 21 and shift+21
08:54<stew>holx: less and greater
08:54<holx>ok
08:54<holx>thanks
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08:55<holx>you linux people are nice and helpful
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08:56<twb>I'm not a "linux person"
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08:57<stew>twb: he must not have been talking to you
08:57<twb>Of course, silly me
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08:57<twb>I'm neither nice nor helpful.
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09:00<lancetw>ls
09:01<alex_>-rwxrwxrwx 1 alex axomic 489 Feb 2 2007 testwork.pl
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09:03<gnube>If one wants to get source from sid, what should one put in the apt/sources.list?
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09:04<gnube>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny source?
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09:04<flami>deb-src ..... sid
09:04<gnube>flami: duh. I am thick. Thank you.
09:04<flami>main contrib non-free or whatever
09:06<sangamon>hi, is somebody here using db2pdf or docbook2pdf (package docbook-utils 0.6.14-1 etch stable) with any success to produce pdf with embedded images?
09:07<sangamon>I have an xml input file using png that did work with a previous version, it's broken now.
09:08<holx>one more question
09:09<holx>how to map simultaneous keypresses to a function? like shift key + another key?
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09:11<stew>holx: can you give a concreate example?
09:11<stew>holx: are you using xmodmap?
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09:11<holx>yes
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09:11<holx>I want to have greater when both keys 50 and 21 are pressed
09:12<stew>holx: is 50 shift?
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09:12<holx>yes
09:12<stew>holx: keycode 21 = less greater
09:12<holx>oh
09:12<holx>than you
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09:12<holx>thank*
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09:14<holx>You saved me a lot of pain, have you ever tried to code something, when you have to c+p signs?
09:15<stew>c+p?
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09:15<stew>oh, copy+paste
09:15<Kleber_>hello folks, I'd like to know if there is a way to limit the message (and mailbox) size per user on Debian Etch x86 + postfix ??
09:15<stew>heh
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09:16<twb>Well, one easy way would be to put /var/mail on its own partition and use disk quotas :-)
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09:16<Kleber_>twb: I thought that, but I'd like a solution inside postfix
09:17<twb>You could ask #postfix on freenode. I don't know.
09:17<Kleber_>twb: I did, but nobody answer me yet
09:18<twb>OK
09:18<holx>bye
09:18<Kleber_>twb: thanks same way
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09:19<fxiny>yuo can set message size limit on main.cf
09:19<fxiny>default is 10MB
09:20<Kleber_>fxiny: but using that, all users will have the same size limit, I'd like it per user
09:21<twb>fxiny: he wants mailbox size limits, not message size limits, IIUC
09:22<Kleber_>I want the both, but per user, not the same for all
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09:23<lupine_85>I know mailbox quotas can be implemented if you're using an SQL backend (e.g. virtual users)
09:23<lupine_85>so it should also be possible if you're not
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09:24<fxiny>there are many restrictions . client sender recipient data
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09:24<Kleber_>lupine_85: I'm using maildir format, not sql backend :-(
09:24<lupine_85>exactly how you'd do it, I don't know, however - google might?
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09:24<Kleber_>lupine_85 I tryied google too, some people say it's impossible without another plugins...
09:25<lupine_85>Kleber_: the messages aren't usually stored in SQL
09:25<lupine_85>instead the location of the Maildir directory is stored in the database :)
09:25<Kleber_>lupine_85: well, so, for users I'm integrating it with LDAP
09:25<Kleber_>lupine_85 how can I do that with SQL backend, maybe I can convert to LDAP ?
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09:27<lupine_85>yeah, you could store the data in LDAP too
09:28<lupine_85>when I did it, I blindly followed a google tutorial, so I can't really help you with specifics
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09:28<Kleber_>lupine_85: great, I'll try google for that ! thanks guy
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09:31<fxiny>Kleber_: there is a mailbox_size_limit
09:31<fxiny>i'm reading baba o'reily book :)
09:32<Kleber_>fxiny: do you have a link ?
09:32<fxiny>is not that clear
09:32<Kleber_>right
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09:34<fxiny>Kleber_: lemme "shuffle it a bit" : if you use maildir-style mailboxes this paramter imits only the size of individual mail files and not the size of the entire mailbox
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09:35<fxiny>then it referes as twb said to "system accounting or your POP/IMAP server configuration"
09:35<fxiny>twb: ^^^
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09:36<koffi>Hi! .. könnte mir jmd sagen wie man den Gesamtstaus von jigdo erfahren kann ?
09:36<fxiny>i'd play with mailbox_size_limit to see what
09:36<formorer> Px
09:36<Kleber_>I'd like to limit the mailbox size and the messages (sent and received) size
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09:37<koffi>Hi.. can someone tell where i can get to know the final status of my jigdo download?
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09:42<fxiny>Kleber_ : acording to baba faq : quota or size limits on users mailboxes is not really a function of Postfix
09:43<fxiny>so twb said right
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09:44[~]fxiny gives baba a shelf to guru on dust
09:44<Kleber_>fxiny, yep, right
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09:45<fabrizio>anyone had tryed IBM netfinity 5000?
09:47<enzaccio>hi all
09:47<enzaccio>anyone have X freezes on seitching console on lenny/sid?
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09:51<DEBIAN>Бля))
09:51<DEBIAN>!ru
09:51<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
09:51<alex_>!ru
09:51<DEBIAN>Алекс))
09:51<DEBIAN>Русский?))
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09:53<Maulkin>Quite.
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09:57<audioman>I found this, http://www.freedos.org/freedos/news/technote/222.html should this work?
09:57<staj>i need de gamers sever
09:58<staj>channel
09:58<staj>please
09:58<alex_>staj, for?
09:58<staj>i need configuration the cs server
09:58<staj>i need channel
09:58<alex_>google.com
09:58<staj>please
09:58<staj>thanks
09:58<alex_>dont spam, please
09:58<stew>alex_: who is spamming?
09:58<staj>no mr
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10:19<enry>hello
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10:26<Metalqga>бля
10:26<Maulkin>!ru
10:26<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
10:26<Metalqga>!bg
10:26<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net)
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10:27<Metalqga>cyrillic is a bulgarian invention
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10:41[~]fxiny sings : no ub no ip , what you don't have you don't need it it's a beautiful daaaaayyyyy
10:41<c0rnd0g>who got wonderbread? in need falafa.
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10:57<mace>anyone here familiar with debian installer and/or preseeding?
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11:00<Maulkin>mace: Lots of people are, just ask your question
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11:02<mace>i have set up a preseed environment, however it is getting stuck in two places: it always asks which country to use for a mirror (i have set this to "enter information manually" in the preseed.cfg), and partitioning fails, either using an expert recipe or a predefined one
11:02<mace>the first problem isn't that big a deal, but the second is a show stopper
11:03<mace>this is using standard etch installer etc
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11:03<Supaplex>partitioning fails how?
11:04<mace>i get a warning that no partitions were set up
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11:04<mace>switching to console confirms this
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11:04<Supaplex>I haven't toyed with preseeding yet.
11:05<Supaplex>works ok if you do it all manual, right?
11:05<mace>yes
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11:06<Supaplex>#debian-boot is a good resource, that and the mailing list. the irc channel is slow, so be prepared to wait for an answer. (d-i developers lurk there)
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11:06[~]mace nods, i'm on there
11:06<mace>i guess i'll just email the list
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11:14<sangamon>does anybody know a good way to create pdf with embedded images from docbook, docbook-utils seems to be broken.
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11:14<bighornram>I am trying to install kernel modules for rtl8187. As per the wiki, I removed the ieee80211 source, compiled the modules, manually load them, I'm using it right now. When I try to install them permanently, they have the name with -rtl added to each module file (ieee80211-rtl.ko). This module loads at boot but I then get the error as it appears to be searching for the crypt modules without the -rtl included. how could I correct this problem?
11:14<bighornram>thanks
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11:15<jeremiah>I can't seem to retitle a bug to ITA in the bts, I have read the docs but can't see what I am doing wrong. Bug#279778
11:16<stew>jeremiah: you need to send the mail to control@bugs.debian.org not to 279778@bugs.debian.org
11:17<stew>jeremiah: and don't bother with the "Please see...." or your signature, just send the commands
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11:17<jeremiah>stew: Thank you, not sure why I couldn't grok that from the web site, maybe a bit of information overload.
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11:17<jeremiah>stew: Okay, I will strip that stuff.
11:17<stew>jeremiah: but wait
11:17<jeremiah>stew: waiting . . .
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11:18<stew>jeremiah: you should also send "owner !" on a second line so that the owner of the bug will be set to you, meaning that you are the one responsible for resolving the bug
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11:18<jeremiah>I see. I will do that. Thank you.
11:20<jeremiah>Well, I fired that off. Hopefully I grok the bts more now. :)
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11:22<stew>jeremiah: in the future, if you want to send mail that will be attached to the bug, that also manipulates the bug via the control interface, the customary way to do it is to put all the commands (like retitle,owner,severity,...) at the top of the email followed by "thanks" on a line by itself, and mail bug#@bugs.d.o and bcc control@bugs.d.o
11:22<jeremiah>Aha. That is good to know. I copied someone else's mail but left out the cc and the 'thanks'
11:22<alex_>whats the command to add a script from /etc/init.d to the start up?
11:23<stew>jeremiah: "thanks" tells the control interface to ignore the rest of the email, after which you can put whatever comments you want added to the bug. BCC: control@ instead of CC or To: so that people hitting reply wont be sending bogus commands to control mistakenly
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11:23<stew>alex_: update-rc.d
11:23<zulu>hi there, this is more a linux than a debian question but, in my dmesg I have:scsi9 : pata_jmicron and later scsi 8:0:0:0: CD-ROM PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 1.20 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5, but I just don't know what is the device attached? how do I mount the cdrom?
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11:23<jeremiah>stew: Okay, bcc it is.
11:24<jeremiah>Pretty sophisticated bug tracking mechanism actually.
11:24<jeremiah>At least I think so.
11:24<stew>yes, and getting better all the time.
11:24<zulu>should'a use sg0?
11:24<jeremiah>Hmm. A bit complex to learn, but only because the documentation is voluminous and I am lazy.
11:25<jeremiah>Sometimes laziness is not a virtue.
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11:25<stew>zulu: is sr_mod loaded?
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11:25<zulu>forget it, I'm just an asshole :)
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11:25<stew>zulu: if you are using udev and it is doing what it should be doing it should be /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd or something similar
11:26<zulu>the /dev/cdrom wonderfully point on scd0 :), I just stupid and dont know how to make a workin fstab :)
11:26<zulu>thx for support stew
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11:27<jeremiah>owner !
11:27<jeremiah>Unknown command or malformed arguments to command.
11:27<jeremiah>Is that because I did not include quotes?
11:27<stew>no, hmm, i think i alwyas mess that one up
11:28<stew>jeremiah: oh, ownber bug# !
11:28<jeremiah>Okay, cool.
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11:28<stew>err "owner 279778 !"
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11:28<stew>jeremiah: so a quick way to do it now is: echo "owner 279778 !" | mail control@bugs.debian.org
11:28<jeremiah>Right, add the line: owner 279778 !
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11:29<jeremiah>Oh yes of course, I don't need to open mutt or anything else. :)
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11:38<zulu>my xorg log print no nvidia module, I have kernel support and nvidia module, what does that mean? is a xorg module related to kernel one?
11:38<zulu>sorry I don't know nothing about xorg :(
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11:39<zulu>!nvidia
11:39<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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11:46<jkoenig>win 7
11:46<jkoenig>whoops, sorry.
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12:15<eurisko>hi everyone i am using kde 3.5, and i would like to put kde auto mounting usb pen, other disk partions and all that stuff, but i get a error message from HAL
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12:16<ifvoid>"a error message"
12:16<eurisko>hal-storage-fixed-mount all options refused , uid 1000
12:16<eurisko>sorry i was writing it
12:16<ifvoid>oh
12:16<ifvoid>are you in the plugdev group?
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12:16<eurisko>i don't know :)
12:16<eurisko>lt me see
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12:17<eurisko>yeah i am
12:17<ifvoid>should work then
12:18<eurisko>i confirmed my uid is 1000 and this , plugdev:x:46:eurisko
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13:00<raoul_duke>hi
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13:05<fragge>Hey, I need a easy GUI tool for development. Im familiar with C/C++ but I would like something with "intellisense".. Any ideas?
13:06<knix>eclipse
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13:07<tarzeau>fragge: GNUstep?
13:07<knix>>:D
13:07<tarzeau>fragge: i mean Gorm of it, see #gnustep
13:07<knix>(for ObjC)
13:07<tarzeau>ah yes, it's Objective C
13:08<zero_>somebody think about codecs to windows media players for mplayer?
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13:09<knix>w32codecs
13:09<knix>non-free
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13:12<knix>E0x: hi
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13:13<MoDaX>zero_: xine in lenny/sid and mplayer in etch/lenny/sid support wm{a,v} out-of-the-box
13:14<MoDaX>zero_: not sure if vlc support wm{v,a}9 in etch
13:14<MoDaX>supports*
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13:16<E0x>knix: :D
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13:21<kingsley>How should one diagnose why the kernel disables an interrupt?
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13:26<metalgigabyte>Hola!!!
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13:36<meme>Do I need X restart to reset gorup
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13:36<meme>Do I need X restart to reset group privligies?
13:37<meme>renew*
13:37<dondelelcaro>meme: no, you just need to open up a new login shell.
13:37<dondelelcaro>meme: though restarting X is an easy way to do that.
13:37<meme>I don't want to restart X :P And the program from which the permissions need is in the context of that specifix X session
13:37<meme>easy ?
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13:39<dondelelcaro>meme: so start up a new login shell and run whatever the command that you want to run from it
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13:39<meme>Indeed
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14:09<EricB>is debian using mysql community or mysql enterprise?
14:10<simonrvn_>whichever is the free one with the non-DFSG free docs
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14:11<regi>preciso conectar-me ao debian-br
14:12<kurumin>hi
14:12<JasonS>!br
14:12<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:13<monra>hello, i have XAMPP installed in my debian etch and when i go to http://localhost let's say i can see some things about XAMPP. I was wondering how is it able to make my site being online in internet. I mean with XAMPP i installed Apache, PHP and MySQL ... would it be possible?
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14:14<Networkgamer>how do i mount a microsd card in linux
14:15<Networkgamer>the device is sdd and its a microsd card in an sd card adapter,in a sd card slot
14:16<Networkgamer>and when i do mount -t vfat /dev/sdd *wherever* it says filesystem error
14:16<monra>any ideas?
14:16<Networkgamer>me? for what?
14:17<Lin>which one is better apt-cacher or apt-proxy?
14:17<Networkgamer>idk
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14:17<blarson>Networkgamer: mount /dev/sdd1
14:17<fxiny>i use cacher
14:17<Networkgamer>what are you trying to do?
14:18<Networkgamer>thanks
14:18<Networkgamer>ill try that
14:18<Lin>fxiny: can i cascade apt-cacher?
14:18<Networkgamer>it says sdd1 does not exist
14:19<Networkgamer>but i know sdd exists
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14:20<blarson>sfdisk -l /dev/sdd for a list of partitions on the drive.
14:21<fxiny>Lin: don't know what you need , apt-cacher and proxy are different
14:21<Lin>fxiny: i know the difference.
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14:22<Lin>fxiny: I have a central apt-cacher and I want put a local apt-cacher in every remote location.
14:22<softwork>debian dont have kde-window-decorator?
14:22<softwork>how i get?
14:22<fxiny>Lin: no need
14:22<fxiny>Lin: just edit sources.list , one apt-cacher is enough
14:22<Networkgamer>unrecognized partition table type
14:23<Networkgamer>no partitions
14:23<Lin>fxiny: I have a main internet connection in my main building, and slow (64kbps) in remote buildings.
14:23<fxiny>Lin: that's fine. install apt-cacher only on that one
14:24<Networkgamer>btw its a microsd card formatted for a lg vx9900 phone
14:24<Lin>fxiny: I dont want refetch everything from internet for EVERY building. btw, my bottle neck isn't the internet connection, but If all my remote connections refetch the packages for every build this will become a bootleneck (imagine 200 buildings)
14:24<Lin>and every build has something as 3-5 debian computers
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14:25<fxiny>Lin: your main box will download only if requested to
14:26<Lin>i know.
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14:26<Lin>fxiny: but this will only work if cascade is possible
14:28<fxiny>Lin: it works pretty like you want
14:29<Networkgamer>what filesystem do phones use for microsd cards if anybody knows?
14:29<Metalqga>fat16?
14:29<Networkgamer>tried that
14:29<Networkgamer>tried vfat
14:29<Networkgamer>but apparently not
14:29<Metalqga>read the manual
14:29<Networkgamer>for mount? or the card?
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14:30<EatMoreAltoids>info -foonetic xkcd
14:30<Metalqga>the manual of the phone
14:30<Networkgamer>ok h/o
14:30<EatMoreAltoids>bah
14:30<Lin>fxiny: ok. thank you
14:31<fxiny>Lin: just edit your sources.list to point to your main box and don't forget to cp /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher.pl /usr/lib/cgi-bin
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14:31<fxiny>Lin: edit apt-cacher conf to allow only your lan
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14:36<Networkgamer>is anyone good with bluetooth in linux?
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14:49<Supaplex>I have 1376 files (of vastly differing sizes) consisting of ~ 16052*(1024^2) total bytes I'd like to sort into different directories of no more than 4600*(1024^2) bytes each. any suggestions to make this less tedious?
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14:50<fxiny>a fine cup of champagne
14:50<SAouthernC>can someone tell me why i cannot use ./ it says the file or directory doesnt exist but it does and its got proper chmod set
14:51<SAouthernC>like is there some package i may have deleted that making it from working ?
14:51<Supaplex>SAouthernC: cannot use ./ for why? pushd / ; popd
14:52<SAouthernC>im trying to run hldsupdatetool.bin
14:52<SAouthernC>it worked before now it doesnt
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14:53<SAouthernC>tried in different dir's different credentials and it wont work i can pico the file and everything
14:53<SAouthernC>but wqotn let me execute it
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14:54<SAouthernC>and kinda hard cause i cant search about it in google dont let you use ./ in search :(
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14:54<Metalqga>use ""
14:55<Networkgamer>yeah
14:55<Networkgamer>can someone help me mount a bluetooth phone to a linux compputer so i can browse and move around its files?
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14:56<SAouthernC>"" doesnt work
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14:56<Networkgamer>put your search in quotes
14:56<Metalqga>:D
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14:57<Metalqga>i've used bt but hate it now
14:57<Networkgamer>how can i mount a bluetooth phone in linux
14:57<SAouthernC>yea that didnt work
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14:57<Networkgamer>well its either this or mount a microsd card
14:57<Networkgamer>and i prefer bluetooth cause its wireless
14:57<Metalqga>why dont you find a card reader?
14:58<ifvoid>Networkgamer: bluetooth should work
14:58<ifvoid>with kde
14:58<Metalqga>i havent used kde since 2001
14:59<Networkgamer>well i have a card reader
14:59<Networkgamer>i can hook the card to the computer with an sd card adapter
14:59<Networkgamer>but it doesnt know the filesystem type
14:59<Networkgamer>ifvoid:i cant find a way to conenct my phone
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14:59<Metalqga>what is your phone
15:00<Networkgamer>lg enV,vz9900
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15:00<Networkgamer>vx9900*
15:00<Networkgamer>but its not that it wont find it exactly
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15:01<Networkgamer>it says connection times out when i do hcitool scan
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15:02<Networkgamer>and i tried hciconfig irq 0 or something liek that,but it gives an error
15:02<mohkohn>I am trying to install a program called Sahana
15:02<mohkohn>http://www.sahana.lk/
15:02<mohkohn>it has a deb
15:02<Networkgamer>did you download it
15:03<mohkohn>Yes Networkgamer
15:03<Networkgamer>do you know where the .deb is?
15:03<mohkohn>I have already did dpkg -i...it worked fine
15:03<Networkgamer>ok,whats wrong?
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15:03<monra>guys, i have apache, mysql and php all fine working installed in my debian etch ... if i go to localhost i can see them. But I want to make it viewable through internet not only LAN. how can i do this?
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15:04<mohkohn>when I do: http://localhost/sahana/index.php
15:04<Networkgamer>monra:port forward?
15:05<mohkohn>Shana comes up but it asks me for "MySQL library"
15:05<monra>Networkgamer, i assume 80?
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15:05<mohkohn>I already have mysql installed
15:06<reaper>hey guys
15:06<mohkohn>That Shana =Sahana
15:06<reaper>does any1 have recommended kernel configuration for fglrx kernel module to work without crashing?
15:07<reaper>no1?
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15:25<Networkgamer>someone help me with bluetooth
15:25<Fill>Hey, does anyone know if there is any kind of limitation in the usergroups a certain user can belong to?
15:25<Fill>for example, can I belong to 2 groups?
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15:27<Maulkin>Fill: yes
15:27<Maulkin>Networkgamer: just ask your question
15:27<Fill>yes what? There's a limitation? Or I can belong to 2 groups?
15:27<rik>Fill: you can belong to 2 groups
15:27<Maulkin>Fill: the latter :)
15:28<Fill>blah
15:28<Fill>so this is strange, what's happening here
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15:28<Networkgamer>when i try to search for bluetooth devices with hcitool scan it has a time out error
15:28<rik>Fill: you have to log out and back in for the changes to take effect
15:28<Networkgamer>connection times out
15:29<Fill>I actually belong to 2 usergroups, one from my ftp server and another group I created to use with a folder where I can share files
15:29<rjent_>Greetings, I have a system with a 2.6.17-2 kernel and I need to add the support for forcedeth network module. I do not find the module under /lib/modules, how/what do I need to add so it will be on my system?
15:29<Fill>The two other users of the group have r-w access
15:29<Fill>I don't
15:30<Fill>I don't know why, and I've already checked everything - I did a chmod 660 ... In the file permissions I can see that the goup has read and write access to the folder and its files, and I double-checked if I really belonged to the group ... and yes I do, but I can't even read the files on the folder
15:30<Fill>:/
15:30<rik>Fill: is this all on the same system, or on different ones? do the group id's en group entries in /etc/goup match?
15:30<Fill>all in the same box
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15:31<Fill>I'm going to check if the group's ID is on the /etc/group file
15:31<Fill>just a moment
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15:31<rik>typing 'id' should give you a list of groups you belong to
15:32<Fill>wow
15:32<Networkgamer>how can i make my bluetooth not time out on linux?
15:32<Fill>I actually belong to 11 groups
15:32<Fill>in the 'id' command the group where I'm having this problem isn't listed
15:33<rik>Fill: yes that's possible
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15:33<rik>Fill: then you don't belong to that group :)
15:33<rik>modify /etc/group and add yourself, or use adduser
15:33<Fill>technically I don't
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15:33<Fill>I'm going to show u
15:33<Fill>the group where I'm trying to belong to is named 'paulo'
15:33<Fill>In /etc/group:
15:33<Networkgamer>hold on ill be back in a while
15:34<Fill>paulo:x:1001:paulo,olga,filipe
15:34<Fill>see, Im there
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15:34<Fill>but then, in the 'id' command
15:34<fe>oi
15:34<fe>people
15:34<Fill>filipe@BOX4:~$ id
15:34<Fill>uid=1000(filipe) gid=1000(filipe) grupos=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),106(netdev),110(powerdev),1000(filipe),1004(unrealadmin)
15:34<Fill>filipe@BOX4:~$
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15:34<Fill>see rik ... I should belong to the group, but I don't
15:34<Fill>lol
15:34<Fill>(my username is filipe)
15:34<rik>Fill: are you running nscd? try running nscd -i
15:34<blarson>Fill: Log in again. You get the groups you were in at login.
15:35<Fill>what's nscd ?
15:35<Fill>should I run it as a root?
15:35<rik>name service caching daemon
15:35<rik>yes
15:35<Fill>ok
15:35<Fill>let me try
15:35<rik>is there a process nscd running?
15:35<Fill>let me see
15:35<rik>and did you log out after adding yourself to the group?
15:35<Fill>no
15:36<Fill>the system runs 24/7
15:36<rik>you have to logout before the changes take effect
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15:36<Fill>blah
15:36<rik>log out and back in, not reboot
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15:36<Fill>that will stop the server right?
15:36<rik>no, it should just log you out
15:36<Fill>ok
15:36<Fill>brb
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15:39<Networkgamer>can anyone answer my question about bluetooth in linux?
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15:40<Kumaru>and im the new guy
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15:48<Fill>rik
15:48<Fill>gone :(
15:48<Fill>I wanted to thank him
15:49<fe>hellow users debian in brazil
15:49<fe>hello
15:49<Fill>fe es do brasil?
15:49<fe>yes
15:49<Fill>fala portugues mew
15:49<Fill>:D
15:49<stew>!br
15:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:49<fe>sim faloportugues
15:49<Fill>fixe
15:49<Fill>sorry stew
15:50<Fill>Well rik has gone, I just wanted to thank him. By people, see ya
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15:50<fe>i am of projeto linux brasil
15:51<fe>www.linuxbrasil.org.br
15:51[~]Supaplex smacks aptitude - http://rafb.net/p/3Uy1dG91.html
15:51<stew>fe: english only in here
15:51<fe>ok no problem
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15:51<stew>fe: do you have a debian related question?
15:52<stew>Supaplex: aptitude search '~dmidnight'
15:53<[gloom]>hi all. Has anyone solved the "disable touchpad" problem in ksynaptics. Currently (at least in sid) and since some months ago, the touchpad can't be disabled by the ksynaptics application in the system tray(kde).
15:54<fe>i am teacher of the project linux brazil where we use debian in our lesson online
15:54<fe>the web site is www.linuxbrasil.org.br
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15:55<fe>i am testing Xchat in debian here
15:55<Networkgamer>anyone know anything about bluetooth in linux?
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15:58<grummund_>Anybody manage to watch BBC News video (e.g. News 24)? I try through Iceweasel... No error message, just the popup window and a blank where the embedded video should be.
15:59<fe>anyone program KINO
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15:59<fe>anyone know the program Kino
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16:04<fe>how to make to speak with somebody ?
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16:09<[gloom]>grummund: have you tried mplayer plugin?
16:09<[gloom]>grummund: maybe you're missing some codec
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16:10<grummund_>[gloom]: yeah, i'm thinking it could either be something like that, or a firewall issue
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16:10<grummund_>i do have mplayer plugin
16:11<grummund_>just wondered if others can get BBC video
16:12<[gloom]>give me the exact url, plz
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16:12<grummund_>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/video_and_audio/default.stm
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16:14<grummund_>mozilla-mplayer is installed
16:15<ibane>hallo
16:15<[gloom]>it works fine here, with the high quality and "windows media player "option selected. It plays the video with the mplayer plugin. Have you installed the binary codecs for mplayer?
16:15<ibane>hola
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16:15<grummund_>[gloom]: maybe not
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16:16<[gloom]>execute the script in /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/binary_codecs.sh
16:17<[gloom]>it will install them for you
16:17<[gloom]>hope that helps
16:17<grummund_>ok
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16:24<grummund_>[gloom]: thanks for your help. i guess that should fix it eventually (unfortunately the mplayerhq site appears to be down right now.
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16:27<Mindtech>hey guys
16:27<Mindtech>Anyone around?
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16:28<cahoot>only you
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16:29<Mindtech>cahoot, do you know how I can install Sun Java JDK?
16:29<cahoot>sorry no
16:30<entuall>Mindtech, aptitude install sun-java5-jdk ?
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16:30<Mindtech>Is that what gets it working?
16:31<entuall>It installs the Sun's jdk
16:31<Mindtech>I run that as root?
16:31<entuall>if you have non-free in your sources.liss
16:31<entuall>yes, as root
16:31<entuall>sources.list*
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16:34<Mindtech>Where do I find sources.list?
16:34<petemc> /etc/apt/
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16:34<Mindtech>thanks
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16:37<Mindtech>if i install free-java-sdk, is that good enough?
16:37<JasonS>Mindtech: good enough for what?
16:37<Mindtech>I was looking to install Limewire
16:37<Mindtech>but when I unpack it
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16:37<Mindtech>it asks for Java JDKs to be installed
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16:40<Mindtech>I get the following error: Depandancy is not satisfiable: sun-java5-jre | sun-java6-jre | sun-java5-jdk | sun-java6-sdk
16:41<Mindtech>any ideas?
16:41<lupine_85>it wants the sun JDK
16:41<lupine_85>isn't it in non-free?
16:41<Mindtech>That I'm not too sure.
16:42<Mindtech>Where can I download the sun JDKs? Directly from them?
16:42<lupine_85>are you trying to install a .deb ?
16:42<lupine_85>(for limewire)
16:42<Mindtech>Yes it is a .DEB for Limewire
16:42<lupine_85>well, there's a possibility it'll work with the jdk/jre you've got installed already
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16:43<stew>Mindtech: /msg dpkg non-free
16:43<lupine_85>try installing it with --force-dependencies
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16:43<stew>no, don't use --force
16:43<stew>there is no reason to
16:43<lupine_85>except to see if it'll work with a free jre/jdk...
16:43<stew>it wont
16:44<Mindtech>Stew, is there a way to get this working?
16:44<stew>Mindtech: yes, install sun-java5-jre which is in non-free
16:44<Mindtech>I'm quite the noob to debian. Where do I find this "non-free"?
16:44<Inty>omfg
16:45<lupine_85>stew: have you got first/second-hand experience? genuinely curious
16:45<Inty>lol ooks like NO experience
16:45<Inty>looks*
16:45<[gloom]>stew: jre and jdk come in separated packages. I think he need both of them
16:45<stew>dpkg: tell Mindtech about non-free
16:46<stew>lupine_85: yes. and why wouldn't you trust the maintainer? you'd think they'd know
16:46<Mindtech>So really, should I *not* be installing the Sun Java JDKs if they are non free?
16:46<stew>[gloom]: why?
16:46<Mindtech>If thats the case
16:46<Mindtech>Can any of you suggest a P2P program that is "free"
16:46<ifvoid>lupine_85: forc-einstalling will get you in trouble everytime you use apt-get afterwards
16:46<Inty>Mindtech, just add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.lst
16:46<[gloom]>stew: ] <Mindtech> I get the following error: Depandancy is not satisfiable: sun-java5-jre | sun-java6-jre | sun-java5-jdk | sun-java6-sdk
16:46<ifvoid>Mindtech: rtorrent, amule
16:47<stew>Mindtech: that is up to you. limewire is also non-free
16:47<stew>[gloom]: yes, i saw that. it indicates that the jdk isn't necessary
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16:47<lupine_85>stew: I honestly have no idea. hence the asking
16:48<[gloom]>stew: "sun-java5-jdk " does not mean the jdk is necessary?
16:48<ifvoid>[gloom]: the jre will be suffient
16:48<stew>[gloom]: | means "or" so it indicates that the jdk isn't necessary if the -jre is installed
16:48<lupine_85>I stay as far away from java as possible, but I was under the impression that different JREs were meant to be compatiblr with each other
16:48<Mindtech>ok
16:48<Mindtech>instead of messing around with "non free" programs
16:48<[gloom]>stew: ok. my fault.
16:48<Mindtech>like Limewire and Sun Java
16:48<stew>lupine_85: yes but something that requires java5 won't work with java4, and the free jre's aren't compatible with java5
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16:49<Mindtech>Can you guys suggest a similar p2p program that I can use
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16:49<lupine_85>stew: ah, that's the bit I missed... java 5. Thanks for explaining
16:49<stew>lupine_85: and none of the free java implementations are complete with respect to java4 aka java 1.4 yet afaik
16:49<ifvoid>Mindtech: rtorrent, amule
16:50<Mindtech>amule is good?
16:50<ifvoid>reasonably, yes
16:50<ifvoid>lots better than limewire, at least
16:50<Mindtech>I'll give that a try
16:50<lupine_85>aMule is eD2K rather than gNutella, though
16:51[~]lupine_85 just uses ktorrent, as torrents are >> any other way of illegally obtaining media :p
16:51<ifvoid>not really
16:51<lupine_85>but rtorrent is also rather good
16:52<ifvoid>amule in principle works the same way as torrents
16:52<ifvoid>only are the files searchable
16:52<ifvoid>which is a _big_ advantage, imo
16:52<lupine_85>can aMule work without the central serverS?
16:52<ifvoid>nope
16:52<lupine_85>torrents can...
16:52<ifvoid>torrents still need a tracker
16:52<lupine_85>swings & roundabouts, I guess
16:52<lupine_85>torrents are considerably less centralised, though
16:52<ifvoid>not really
16:53<lupine_85>you get big tracker sites like TPB, etc, but they're not /necessary/
16:53<ifvoid>torrents just rely on centralisation through websites and such
16:57<Mindtech>Is there a certain server I should be using with amule or is DonkeyServer1 plenty?
16:57<[gloom]>see u later guys. have to go
16:57<[gloom]>cu
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16:59<therealdeal>hello
16:59<ifvoid>Mindtech: don't /msg people
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17:01<therealdeal>can anyone tell me how to load dazuko module for klamav please
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17:01<lupine_85>Mindtech: also note that anything called "The Lion King" on eD2K is likely to be hardcore gay porn
17:01<lupine_85>it's just the way it works
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17:02<JasonS>voice of experience therealdeal? ;)
17:02<JasonS>or i mean lupine_85
17:02<JasonS>damn fingers
17:03<lupine_85>second-hand experience
17:04<Supaplex>so not the right hand, but the left? ;)
17:04<lupine_85>oO
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17:26<vilhjalms>++
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17:28<grummund_>i discovered a bug in a shell script which is installed by a package in etch. Is there an easy way to get the same script from the same package in lenny?
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17:28<grummund_>i just want to see if the bug is fixed, otherwise i will attempt to fix it and submit a report
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17:29<lupine_85>grummund_: you could download the package, extract the script & have a look
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17:29<lupine_85>or hunt for bug reporta
17:29<lupine_85>^Hs
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17:31<grummund_>ok, i'm using the web interface at debian.org to find the package filename
17:32<lupine_85>what's the package?
17:32<grummund_>mplayer
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17:32<lupine_85>Filename: pool/main/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0~rc1-14_amd64.deb
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17:32<grummund_>ok. thanks
17:32<lupine_85>(s/amd64/i386/ if you prefer)
17:32<grummund_>how did you find that
17:32<lupine_85>I'm running lenny :)
17:33<grummund_>ok
17:33<lupine_85>so I just apt-cache show <package> |grep "Filename:"
17:33<lupine_85>the path is relative to http://<debian.org mirror site>/debian
17:33<lupine_85>so e.g. http://the.earth.li/debian/pool/main/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0~rc1-14_amd64.deb should be valid
17:33<grummund_>lupine_85: would you be able to do me a favour pls?
17:33<lupine_85>?
17:33<grummund_>md5sum /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/binary_codecs.sh
17:34<ifvoid>no such file here
17:34<lupine_85>f1f0c76b16d5b4f23a9033ba588a5583
17:34<ifvoid>(but I have marillat's mplayer)
17:34<grummund_>ok, so it changed. i'll check it out
17:34<grummund_>thanks
17:34<lupine_85>what line(s) are you interested in?
17:35<grummund_>umm, the lines around where fping gets used
17:35<lupine_85>eh, see http://www.pastebin.ca/651678
17:35<Mindtech>lupine_85,
17:35<Mindtech>I'll take your advice on Lion King
17:36<Mindtech>;)
17:36<Lin>there is anyway to avoid the question about UNSECURE SOURCES in aptitude command line?
17:36<Mindtech>Which server do you use?
17:36<lupine_85>grummund: "#NO this loses part of the URL, and then it fails!"
17:36<ifvoid>Lin: install the correct key
17:36<lupine_85>Mindtech: I don't use it
17:36<Lin>ifvoid: im instaling a local source. I havent a key
17:36<ifvoid>ah
17:36<ifvoid>well
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17:36<grummund_>lupine_85: ah ;-)
17:36<ifvoid>you could just sign the local release file
17:36<grummund_>lupine_85: thats the bug i found
17:36<lupine_85>looks like someone cottoned on :)
17:37<Lin>ifvoid: i vote for simplicity right now.
17:37<Mindtech>lupine_85, do you use any p2p programs?
17:37<ifvoid>Lin: I think there's an apt.conf option to turn checking off altogether
17:37<lupine_85>Mindtech: just ktorrent
17:37<Lin>ifvoid: ok thank you. do you know where can I read about it?
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17:37<lupine_85>grummund_: yeah, they've modified it so netselect is the only option
17:37<ifvoid>Lin: man apt.conf and man apt_preferences
17:37<Lin>ifvoid: let me try. man
17:37<Lin>;-)
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17:38<Lin>ifvoid: aptitude respect apt.conf options?
17:38<ifvoid>Lin: not sure
17:38<ifvoid>I think it does
17:39[~]grummund_ considers fixing the bug
17:39<Lin>ifvoid: I could not find anything about gpg, keys or certicates on both man pages.
17:39<lupine_85>nobody runs stable on the desktop anyway :p
17:39<lupine_85>(j/k)
17:40[~]Supaplex doez
17:40<lupine_85>I ran it on my laptop
17:41<lupine_85>must reinstall it
17:41<lupine_85>I deleted the partition while turning it into an uber retro games machine
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17:44<Lin>ifvoid: aptitude::CmdLine::Ignore-Trust-Violations=true
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17:49<SAouthernC>does anyone know what package ./ depends on or what its called ?
17:49<lupine_85>./ ?
17:50<Aleric>I would like to create an .iso image of an ext2 filesystem that will be able to contain a file of 4693522403 bytes and has very little overhead. How can I do that?
17:50<SAouthernC>yea cause i musta deleted something i shouldnt cause ./doesnt work now
17:50<lupine_85>as in, to run a program contained in the local directory?
17:50<lupine_85>(e.g. ./security_hole.sh)
17:50<SAouthernC>says file or dir not found
17:51<SAouthernC>like hldsupdatetool.bin
17:51<lupine_85>./ is not a program. it's a path
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17:51<lupine_85>most likely, the file you're trying to run has been deleted
17:51<SAouthernC>its not
17:51[~]Aleric looks in amazement at lupine's patience.
17:51<lupine_85>:[
17:51<SAouthernC>i can pico it
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17:51<dwon>lupine_85: "cd" ?
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17:52<lupine_85>SAouthernC: does it still have the executable bit set?
17:52<lupine_85>dwon: ?
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17:52<SAouthernC>like i download it with wget to a dir and set chmod to x and it says file doesnt exist whether i use Xterm or gnome terminal
17:52<dwon>lupine_85: never mind
17:53<SAouthernC>but it is there
17:53<lupine_85>and you're in the same directory as the file when you do "./hldsupdatetool.bin" ?
17:53<dwon>SAouthernC: what's the output of: ls -l hldsupdatetool.bin ; file hldsupdatetool.bin
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17:53<runix__>hey :) what can I use to create a script to interact (using the 'keyboard') with a SDL program? (ie, I want to make a script to take a screenshot (F12) of each mame game in a dir)
17:54<lupine_85>of course, it's quite possible that the error is in reference to a file that the hldsupdatetool.bin ?script? is trying to access
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17:54<SAouthernC>iot says dynamically linked user shared libs stripped
17:54<SAouthernC>and yes in the same dir
17:54<lupine_85>runix__: sending keypresses to an X application?
17:55<lupine_85>should be able to do that in any language
17:55<runix__>lupine_85: perfect. how do I do that?
17:55<SAouthernC>Elf 32-bit executable
17:55<lupine_85>I don't know :D. You'll have to check the X11 documentation
17:55<dwon>SAouthernC: Does "ldd hldsupdatetool.bin" show any missing dependencies?
17:55<dwon>runix__: there's a command-line tool. hold on
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17:56[~]lupine_85 listens to dwon
17:56<snama>listenes to Pink Floyd
17:56<snama>Debian is nice
17:56<SAouthernC>usr/bin/ldd line 171 /lib/ld-linux.so.2: no such file or directory
17:56<runix__>snama: debian is beautiful :)
17:57<snama>debian is very nice indeed
17:57<snama>it feels so nice saying that
17:57<lupine_85>oO that doesn't sound good
17:57<lupine_85>snama: yes it is
17:57<snama>i use Xfce
17:57<snama>its very fast
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17:58[~]lupine_85 is also listening to the veronicas
17:58<snama>http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2118983/experts-warn-linux-windows-virus
17:58<lupine_85>*sigh*
17:58<Supaplex>snama: yawn...
17:58<SAouthernC>so apparently i musta have deleted something that depends on that file...
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17:58<lupine_85>linux viruses != problem
17:58<runix__>dwon: xmacro - Record / Play keystrokes and mouse movements in X displays
17:58<snama>iam wondering if whats said on that site is a lie
17:58<runix__>dwon: ?
17:58<snama>that site maybe is controlled by MS
17:58<Supaplex>snama: it's mostly sensationist fud
17:59<lupine_85>the end of may 2002
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17:59<dwon>runix__: nope (though you can try that if you need to)
17:59<dwon>runix__: I'm looking for the tool browsershots uses
17:59<lupine_85>you'll note that in 6 years, there hasn't been a single major infection of that virus, or it's descendents
17:59<runix__>dwon: oh. great
17:59<snama>iam very sorry indeed for that link
17:59<dwon>xte
17:59<lupine_85>it was an impressive technical achievement, though
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18:00<dwon>runix__: the command is "xte" in the "xautomation" package
18:01<lupine_85>dwon: so that sends keypresses to X apps?
18:01<dwon>lupine_85: not exactly. It sends keypresses to the X *session* using the XTEST extension
18:01<lupine_85>ah
18:01<runix__>dwon: thanks a lot
18:01<lupine_85>so you'd need to make sure that the app is in active focus?
18:01<dwon>runix__: no problem
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18:02<dwon>lupine_85: yup. It works great for browsershots running in an Xvnc/Xvfb server
18:02<lupine_85>mm. sounds very useful
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18:02<lupine_85>beats grokking the X11 docs, that's for sure :D
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18:04<snama>goodbye
18:04<snama>iam going to bed
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18:19<Villarroel>Hi!
18:19<lupine_85>wowsers. Wesnoth + expansions has hit 120MB
18:19<lupine_85>that's impressive
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18:33<Villarroel>xon localhost -debug returns -> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: debian.lan:0.0, why?
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18:34<grummund_>is it possible to search within the bug reports of a single package?
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18:35<grummund_>that is - search for text, or affected filenames, etc.
18:36<Villarroel>grummund_ http://bugs.debian.org/packagename ?
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18:36<grummund_>but that will list all the bugs against the package... (?)
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18:37[~]grummund_ wonders if there's an easy way to find the relevant bug rather than scroll down the whole list
18:38<Supaplex>search on the page. :)
18:38<grummund_>package name mplayer, i expect the bug report to contain 'download' or 'script'
18:38<grummund_>;-) ok
18:38<Supaplex>grummund_: as in will not seek backwards in http streams?
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18:39<grummund_>as in will not download codecs with the supplied script
18:39<Supaplex>humm. pity this md5sum wasn't sorted. grr
18:40[~]Supaplex hunts down the rubbing alcohol to redo sharpie on dvd notes
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18:47<litage>so does the new systrace exploit affect Debian? http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/08/09/138224.shtml
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18:49<lupine_85>BSD/Debian, mayybe?
18:50<litage>lupine_85: ?
18:51<lupine_85>the specific exploits shown appear to have been implemented in the BSD kernel?
18:51<lupine_85>the general principle will apply to debian-packaged stuff though, I'd imagine
18:51<lupine_85>just reading the article now
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18:53<Networkgamer>still got that bluetooth problem
18:54<grummund_>what's the syntax to extract a single file from a .deb, pls?
18:54<Networkgamer>idk
18:54<Networkgamer>i know how to install a .deb
18:55[~]grummund_ thinks it involves -x
18:55<lupine_85>ar -x will uncompress the whole archive
18:55<lupine_85>ar -x [member] <archive> ?
18:56<lupine_85>no, sorry. ar -x <archive> [member]
18:56<grummund_>ok, i was looking in man dpkg
18:57<Hessophanes>dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile <deb> | tar xf - <file/you/need>
18:58<grummund_>Hessophanes: thnks. is that the standard method
18:58<lupine_85>Hessophanes: a bit... long-winded? :p
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18:59<Hessophanes>That's the most comfortable there is. ;)
18:59<Hessophanes>You could of course also try 'ar -x <deb> data.tar.gz; tar xzf data.tar.gz <file/you/need>; rm -f data.tar.gz'...
18:59<grummund_>hehe
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19:00<f0rtune>hey guys, im trying to use an external hdd on debian 4.0, but i keep getting this error 'hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000'
19:00<lupine_85>Hessophanes: ah, of course... all the files are inside a tar archive
19:00<lupine_85>i'd forgotten about that
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19:04<Villarroel>Bye.
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19:06<Networkgamer>anyone good with bluetooth in linux on ubuntu?
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19:08<streuner>!ubuntu
19:08<dpkg>yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>.
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19:11<lupine_85>bluetooth in general is a pain
19:12<grummund_>lupine_85: darn. i fixed the script but it seems there is a new version in unstable with almost the same fix
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19:13<lupine_85>heh
19:14[~]lupine_85 learns all about sdl
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20:34<Brudus>How can the ammount of RAM I have. I just installed 2GB and I want to see if it's reading all 2GBs. Hopefully nothing in command prompt.
20:34<lupine_85>cat /proc/meminfo
20:34<ben_goodger>heheh
20:34<lupine_85>see MemTotal (here: MemTotal: 1543780 kB)
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20:35<ben_goodger>Brudus: don't fight the command line, it's invariably the fastest way to get info of this type
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20:36<Brudus>but its EEEEEEVILLLLL
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20:37<ben_goodger>"cat /proc/diskstats | grep sda"
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20:38<ben_goodger>do that in a GUI without coding, I dare you :)
20:40<Brudus>I try to do stuff in a GUI as much as possible. People are always saying how can we get linux past the hardcord sect and get into the home and into the office. well if people have remeber long command line inputs then ordinary people will be slow to adopt.
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20:43<Brudus>I found where I can get that information in GUI. in the "system monitor"
20:43<chealer>Brudus: if you don't mention your X session type, people will unlikely mention a GUI, because most GUI-s are better for only some session types.
20:44<Brudus>I use gnome most of the time if that is what you are talking about.
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20:53<oscar>debian-es
20:53<ranix>who cares if linux is used in the home/office
20:54<oscar>#debian-es
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20:55<ben_goodger>well, it is meant to be universal
20:55<ben_goodger>which is the reason it has both KDE and a CLI.
20:56<ben_goodger>and everything in between.....
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21:03<miksuh>ranix: i do
21:04<JasonS>ranix: me too, would make work more intersting for me at the very least
21:06<ranix>if linux was "home/office" if it is not now, it would make no difference to me
21:06<ranix>I would own one less computer
21:07<ranix>maybe save $70 a year in electricity
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21:08<JasonS>ranix: ok that didnt make any sense to me
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21:11<kop>I've done a ./configure; make; make install, and now I've undone the install. Is there a good way to check my system to be sure I've removed everything? I can envision doing something like "find / --exec dpkg -S \{\}\;", but that would take forever.
21:11<f0rtune>When I try to install debian 4.0 from an external cd-rom drive, but it cant find the source of the disk, can anyone help?
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21:12<kop>f0rtune : In other words, it won't boot from an external cd?
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21:13<f0rtune>kop: it boots, but when it tries to find the source of the install it cant b found
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21:13<f0rtune>it should automatically find it but it says it doesnt find anything
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21:13<f0rtune>forgot what stp it was sorry
21:14<kop>f0rtune : Do you have an error message?
21:16<f0rtune>kop: no, but i get the error when its performing ' Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives'
21:16<f0rtune>then it tells me to specify
21:16<miksuh>ranix: I think there is not much technical or usablity reasons ehy not to0 use linux on home/office
21:16<miksuh>even my 50+ year old mother was able to install debian etch on her desktop computer :)
21:16<miksuh>and she is happy with it :)
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21:17<kop>f0rtune : My suggestion, and it's a guess, is that you'd want to do the install in "expert" mode. Then, when it asks about which modules should be installed you can tell it to install something that will allow it to read the cd. Does that make sense?
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21:18<f0rtune>the problem isnt reading the cd though
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21:19<kop>f0rtune : Well, it boots off the cd, but when the kernel goes to access the cd it can't find it, right? So the kernel needs a module for the external cd hardware. Maybe usb or something?
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21:19<f0rtune>kop: so what do you suggest i do?
21:20<miksuh>ehy=why
21:20<kop>f0rtune : Can you do the install and irc at the same time?
21:20<miksuh>damn typos
21:20<f0rtune>kop: yes
21:21<kop>f0rtune : So, when the cd boots, you can press f2 or something and it will tell you you can type "expert" to install in expert mode. Then it will ask more questions. One of the questions it will ask is what modules should be installed, before it gets around to trying to read the cd. (And I think if you say the wrong thing you can have a do-over.)
21:22<kop>f0rtune : The other thing to try is to read the installation instructions at debian.org. There might be something there just for you.
21:22<f0rtune>kop: alright thanks
21:23<kop>f0rtune : Then if you have problems you can ask the channel again what module might work, if you tell us about the hardware you have etc.
21:25<kop>Is there no program that will tell you which files on your system do not belong to a debian package?
21:27<kop>Or, conversely, how would I list all files that belong to debian packages?
21:28<miksuh>have you installed something which is not in the package? :)
21:29<kop>miksuh : Yes. And I _think_ I've got rid of it. (I think I can script something that lists all debian files.... yes. I can.)
21:29<kop>miksuh : Any good programs to make sure I've cleaned up?
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21:31<kop>Why does my sarge system list some 23 packages that don't have md5sums? (using debsum?)
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21:33<Mindtech>Has anyone played Flightgear? FGFS?
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21:34<brujeador>Hello!
21:35<brujeador>...someone knows about PGP files?
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21:49<Mindtech>Is there a GUI based ftp client that comes in the default installtion of Debian/Gnome?
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21:51<buluca>Mindtech: doesn't gftp?
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21:51<buluca>Mindtech: anyway, nautilus IS a ftp client
21:51<Mindtech>I guess it doesn't come in the applications menu. I didn't see it in there
21:52<buluca>Mindtech: try and launch from a shell
21:54<Mindtech>thanks... gftp wasn't installed. I had to put it in through SPM
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21:56<Pilz-E>#elite-enigmas
21:56<Pilz-E>connect #elite-enigmas
21:57<JasonS>Pilz-E: try /join #
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21:58<c0rnd0g> /win 2
21:59<Supaplex>ouu 0day exploitz in /join #web2,0
21:59<Supaplex>(;
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22:00<M_Jack>alguien habla español?
22:01<chealer>!tell M_Jack about es
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22:02<c0rnd0g>oh
22:02<c0rnd0g>Supaplex: mmmkay want an M&M?
22:02<c0rnd0g>from looseramieaNNa? :)
22:02<Supaplex>nay
22:03<chuy>does anyone know how to automatically create Makefiles?, I've been using qmake from Qt toolkit to handle C++, but I bet that's not the best option, and it doesn't handle C code
22:03<c0rnd0g>i can....
22:03<c0rnd0g>Supaplex: if you like :)
22:03[~]Supaplex heads out on the town
22:03<c0rnd0g>effects Red Leafs as well :)
22:03<c0rnd0g>but not Haiti, NEVER! :)
22:03<Supaplex>!ot
22:03<dpkg>#debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs
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22:03<c0rnd0g>ok
22:03<c0rnd0g>dpkg
22:04<c0rnd0g>what is ffs?
22:04<jherrera><c0rnd0g> dpkg == bot
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22:15<GmLB>Is there no debian-unofficial pakcages for lenny? Why is that
22:15<c0rnd0g>no i am not spock.
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22:15<c0rnd0g>hi Melissa
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22:18<lolcats>i got the iRobot to run on Debian!
22:18<c0rnd0g>oh ok
22:18<c0rnd0g>so that means?
22:19<CompWizrd>isn't that backwards?
22:19<lolcats>iRobot has a thing called the Create
22:19<c0rnd0g>that you use your child?
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22:35<b-k>HI everybody
22:36<b-k>does anyone know what happened to gcc-doc package on testing repository?
22:38<manphiz>what was wrong?
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22:41<b-k>gcc-doc: Depends: gcc-4.1-doc (>= 4.1.1-nf0) but it is not installable
22:42<b-k>seems gcc-4.1-doc is not there ...
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23:17<lolcats>adios all
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23:39<flexy>I'm trying to set acls so, that a user has no right to search the whole directory (/var/www), but just two directories in there(/var/www/his1 and /var/www/his2). So that user cant see /var/www/hers directory. Is this possible? When ever I seem to succeed, the user can't even cd to his1 directory...
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23:44<jherrera>flexy. if you succeed with that send me a message, I would do what you want to do with PHP, but maybe there's an easier way to do it through apache
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23:45<networkgamer>seems something is wrong with my authorization file or something
23:45<flexy>jherrera: this would be ideal for me, getting the different users to see only their sites...
23:45<networkgamer>i cant log in
23:45<networkgamer>cause something is wrong with writing an authorization file
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23:46<flexy>jherrera: I allready got it so, that one user can't mess with others files. but they still can see the other users files...
23:47<networkgamer>how can i fix my auth file?
23:47<networkgamer>from the command line
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23:48<flexy>ls -alh ~/.
23:48<flexy>networkgamer: ^^
23:48<networkgamer>me?
23:48<networkgamer>ok
23:48<networkgamer>i have no way of displaying it
23:48<networkgamer>i dont have a gui
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23:48<networkgamer>and no mouse
23:48<flexy>do you have write rights in your home dir?
23:49<networkgamer>how can i check?
23:49<flexy>^^
23:49<networkgamer>where in there
23:49<jherrera>flexy, and how did you do it?
23:50<flexy>jherrera: wait for a minute
23:50<flexy>networkgamer: the first line, -rw-r--r-- or something like that
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23:50<flexy>networkgamer: that's the home dir. then you might check the auth file in question
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23:51<flexy>networkgamer: man chmod helps also, if this is the issue
23:51<networkgamer>well i cant scroll
23:52<networkgamer>i can only see the bottom
23:52<flexy>jherrera: umh. pretty basic acl usage...
23:52<flexy>networkgamer: ls -alh |head
23:53<networkgamer>i dont see anything about home in that output
23:53<networkgamer>just root and networkgamer
23:53<flexy>first chmod the "root" dir to (was it?) 754, then setfacl -m u:his:rwx
23:53<flexy>shit
23:54<networkgamer>chmod root doesnt work
23:54<networkgamer>chmod root 754?
23:54<flexy>networkgamer: pretty hard to bend everything out of barbed wire
23:54<flexy>NO
23:54<networkgamer>what command do i do?
23:54<flexy>that was to jherrera
23:54<networkgamer>ok
23:55<flexy>first figure out the problem. articulate it well
23:55<flexy>then we'll see
23:55<networkgamer>well it just cant write to the authorization file
23:55<networkgamer>and cant login
23:55<flexy>to the auth file. which one?
23:55<networkgamer>lemme check
23:55<flexy>there might be a few...
23:56<networkgamer>xauthority
23:56<networkgamer>its after i put in my login info into gdm and hit enter
23:56<flexy>so it's a local linux box, and you can't get graphical up
23:56<flexy>ok
23:57<flexy>ls -alh .Xauthority
23:57<flexy>the case matters
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23:58<flexy>I have -rw-------- rights for that file
23:58<networkgamer>ok
23:58<flexy>you should have similar?
23:58<networkgamer>yep
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23:58<networkgamer>-rw-------
23:59<flexy>ok, after that, some number and your username two times?
23:59<networkgamer>yep
23:59<flexy>df -h ./
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