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---Logopened Sat Aug 11 00:00:06 2007
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00:00<phorce1>I need to make the SATA drives in my system have persisten names (/dev/sdw, /dev/sdx, /dev/sdy, /dev/sdz) so they won't get changed around as I add regular scsi drives to the system
00:01<klys>phorce1: make sure they are detected before scsi then. may requre using a module for your scsi card
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00:02<phorce1>klys: heh, I just jumped through hoops to make sure they are detected AFTER scsi. System won't boot if they get detected first because it assigns /dev/sda to the first one and my / is on /dev/sda which is one of the SCA drives.
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00:03<klys>ok
00:03<phorce1>klys: This is on a sparc system that has absolutely no idea that SATA exists until the Linux kernel takes over.
00:04<klys>phorce1: you thinking there may be some driver code you could write to reserve sda ?
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00:06<phorce1>klys: Shouldn't need to. I just need to get my head wrapped around how udev rules work. Once I've created rules to alway name those drives (based on serial number or some such) with /dev/sdw to sdz then they will stay there. Any SCA drives added to the system will get properly assigned to sdd, sde, sdf, etc.
00:06<Branden>And there something I have to get to make TelNet work?
00:07<klys>telnetd
00:07<Branden>ty
00:07<klys>phorce1: so it monitord dmesg and adds symlinks in dev according to your scripted rules?
00:07<klys>s/rd/rs/
00:08<phorce1>klys: right now the single SATA drive I have in for testing is assigned /sdd bacause I have 3 SCA drives plugged in and they are detected before it. If I plug in another SCA drive thatn the new drive will get /sdd and the SATA will get shifted to /sde --- and so on
00:08<phorce1>udev doesn't monitor dmesg
00:09<phorce1>klys: udev reads device info from /proc/sysfs (or something like that) and one can create rules based on that.
00:10<phorce1>But I need a "udev for dumies" guide because looking at he default rules files is giving me a headache
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00:10<Branden>Eeeeeek. My bot is listening on port 2222, but when I telnet that port, it brings me to the main login for debian. :S
00:10<phorce1>s/dumies/dummies
00:11<klys>http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
00:11<klys>branden: telnet?
00:11<Branden>Yes.
00:11<klys>pssh
00:11<Branden>Its an eggdrop.
00:11<phorce1>I think I looked at that one
00:12<phorce1>yep, showed up in history when pasted to the browser
00:12<klys>branden: is the eggdrop configured to listen on that port instead of telnetd?
00:12<Branden>Its configured to listen on a port through telnet
00:12<klys>phorcel: not detailed enough?
00:12<klys>!ude
00:12<dpkg>rumour has it, ude is uncommon desktop environment, or unix desktop environment
00:12<klys>!udev
00:12<dpkg>udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555
00:13<blarson>phorce1: Why don't you mount them by labels rather than dev names?
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00:13<klys>I can see how a chatscript attached to /var/log/messages would cut the cake
00:13<simonrvn>or by UUID ;)
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00:14<GmLB>I have a simple/stupid konqueror question- the search box isn't showing up in the browser, I thought it had one... is this something debian specific? Is tehre a way to get it to show up?
00:15<phorce1>blarson: like /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD2500YS-01S-WD-WCANY1955037-part3 ?
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00:17<phorce1>blarson: ease of use later mostly. This is a personal machine. I have 17 or 18 servers in the office that I handle (with fewer drives <grin>. On my machine it will be easier to remember that /dev/sdw is the first SATA drive
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00:17<f0rtune>what package would i need to play mp3's with amarok?
00:17<blarson>phorse1: A line from my /etc/fstab: LABEL=Archive /archive auto defaults 0 0
00:17<klys>GmLB: using kubuntu? try the real debian package
00:17<simonrvn>GmLB: it does, depends on the profile loaded (hint, webbrowser profile)
00:18<blarson>phorce1: Easier than names you assign when formatting the drives?
00:18<GmLB>klys, I am using real debian, testing
00:19<GmLB>simonrvn, I looked through them all, didn't see a search box in any of them?
00:19<klys>f0rtune: xmms2
00:19<simonrvn>top right...
00:20<phorce1>blarson: hmmm will that work using LVM though? I don't think it will because /dev/mapper has to be able to find the drives somehow to map the LVM stuff to its own labels. The number of drives possible in this machine kind of dictates use of LVM or I'll end upwith the symlink farm from hell.
00:21<klys>xmms2-plugin-mad, also, for an alternative MP3 decoder
00:23<manphiz>Is xmms2-plugin-cue still broken? last time I tried it was unable to change soundtrack at all, restart from the very beginning of the whole playback instead.
00:23<lanceallott> Support for XMMS visualization plugins is also compiled in (you need to
00:23<lanceallott> have xmms installed to be able to use it, though).
00:23<f0rtune>still wont work
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00:25<blarson>phorce1: I don't think LVM minds devies being moved, as long as it can find them all.
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00:29<phorce1>blarson: I think I may have the udev rules sinking after the third or fourth read of te link klys pointed me at again. It does make it sound VERY simple --- then I look at the existing rules and ---- ugh!
00:29<simonrvn>phorce1: udev rules are fricking messy-looking
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00:31<blarson>phorce1: And udev gets seriously convfused by multiple etherenet addaptors with the same ethernet address. Which was what ethernet was designed for in the first place.
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00:33<phorce1>simonrvn: according to http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html a simple rule like ''SERIAL=="SATA_WDC_WD2500YS-01_WD-WCANY1955037" NAME="sdw"'' should be all I need for each SATA drive (afterdetermining what to use wher I exampled "SERIAL").
00:34<phorce1>blarson: When I add the Intel dual gigabit NIC I'll probably blacklist all NICs in udev (that's actually very simple) and load them from /etc/modules
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00:36<simonrvn>blah
00:36<simonrvn>fugly
00:37<klys>fugly is worse than saying `that'
00:37<phorce1>simonrvn: no, fugly will be when my other SCSI cable comes in and I have to rearrange ALL of the drives (including redefining the boot device in the Sparc PROM)
00:37<simonrvn>ugh, that is fugly =)
00:37<simonrvn>i really like scsi, but those cables...
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00:39<phorce1>Right now he sca drives are on a motherboard buil it controller atached to a 4 port backplane. When the other cable gets here the 4 port backplane goes in the junk box and the sca drives get moved to a PCI dual controller attached to two 8-port backplanes. I'm gonna have to boot into rescue mode 2 or 3 times just to figure out which backplane is drives 0-7 and which is 8-15.
00:40[~]phorce1 's typing sucks worse than usual tonight.
00:40<simonrvn>oh yes, sca, sparc box, heh
00:40<simonrvn>funky little cable lead-in =)
00:40<simonrvn>80 pin thingy
00:42<phorce1>I think I found a deal on a box of 10 refurb 18G drives for USD $70 + shipping if they have any left. That would give me 13 of 16 possible slots filled plus the 4 SATA drives I've hacked into the bays left open by the removal of the 4 port backplane.
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01:36<Branden>Can someone tell me how to update my my-sql library files?
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01:38<phorce1>update?
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01:39<phorce1>apt-get update; apt-get upgrade generally gets you the latest of whatever you have installed on the system
01:42<Branden>Hmm. How about initialy getting them?
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01:45<phorce1>apt-cache search mysql | less ---- browse through the output and decide which version you want to install (there will be a LOT of extra crap in the output)
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01:45<Branden>ty
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01:59<Branden>*** --with-mysqlclient-prefix=PFX
01:59<Branden>*** --with-mysqlclient-include=DIR
01:59<Branden>*** --with-mysqlclient-lib=DIR
01:59<Branden>How can I find this information?
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02:00<phorce1>what are you compiling?
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02:00<Branden>Denora IRC Webstats
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02:00<TBBle>mysql_config should tell you.
02:01<Branden>Well, I don't know where that is either, I'm useing webmin.
02:01<simonrvn>!webmin
02:01<dpkg>it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
02:02<Branden>Hmmmm.
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02:02<Branden>Whats an olternitave to WebMin?
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02:06<Branden>Well, I should say, IS there an alternative to WebMin?
02:11<blarson>Branden: Administering your machine through the traditional tools?
02:11<phorce1>Branden: ssh
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02:12<Branden>How can I fully get rid of WebMin?
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02:12<phorce1>how did you install it?
02:13<Branden>I downloaded the .deb and unpacked it.
02:13[~]phorce1 shudders why do people not use apt?
02:14<phorce1>Branden: dpkg -l | grep webmin
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02:14<phorce1>Branden: then start dpkg -r the packages you find
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02:15<Branden>debian:~# dpkg -l | grep webmin
02:15<Branden>rc webmin 1.360 A web-based administration interface for Uni
02:15<phorce1>Branden: (may want to use the --purge option too, that should get most of he config files)
02:15<phorce1>Branden: actually, try apt-get --purge remove webmin
02:16<Branden>Package webmin is not installed, so not removed
02:16<Branden>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
02:16<Branden>:S
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02:18<just_free_man>hi all!
02:18<just_free_man>how i can requre for package?
02:19<phorce1>Branden: you're going to have to use 'dpkg -r'. But first do a 'man dpkg' and look up the --purge option. I haven't used it in forever and can't type out a proper command line
02:20<jherrera>ehhh
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02:20<jherrera>what's up with bot, doesn't anwer my msgs
02:20<jherrera>answer*
02:20<jherrera>!bot
02:20<phorce1>just_free_man: requre? *request*, or *search for*?
02:20<just_free_man>request
02:21<jherrera>!lenny
02:21<jherrera>mmmm
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02:22<just_free_man>i want to have package for qstardict (http://qstardict.ylsoftware.com)
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02:23<jherrera>just_free_man, what's wrong with GTK's stardict?
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02:23<phorce1>just_free_man: Generally, if you want something packaged and you can't do it yourself you have to ask around on some of the mailing lists to find someone who CAN package it and is also interested in seeing it as a package.
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02:24<phorce1>just_free_man: Most .debs are initially created and maintained by the person who initailly said "How do I request that something get packaged?" <grin>
02:24<Branden>Hmmm. Where does the mysql get installed at? I can't seem to find it.
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02:25<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
02:25<dpkg>rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny>
02:25<jherrera>Branden mysql-server package, you can get it through aptitude/apt-get (console based) or synaptic (graphical)
02:25<Branden>It says I already have it.
02:26<just_free_man>can i maintain debian package on non-debian based system?
02:26<phorce1>jherrera: hee needs to know the actual install directories so he can compile something that is not packaged
02:26<jherrera>Branden, so what's the problem?, check if it is running, do this in a term: ps -e | grep mysqld
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02:27<blarson>just_free_man: You might be able to maintain some packages in debian chroot of another linux distro.
02:27<Branden>25833 ? 00:00:00 mysqld_safe
02:27<Branden>25870 ? 00:00:00 mysqld
02:27<TBBle>Branden: If you're trying to compile mysql client-side code, you need libmysqlclient-dev (or the appropriate alternative).
02:27<phorce1>just_free_man: You may also want to contact ylsoftware.com with a long list of reasons that they should offer their software ina .deb package as well as any other format it is currently in.
02:27<Branden>Ohhhh. Ok. I'm getting that now.
02:27<blarson>just_free_man: But you should realy test on a debian sid system for things going in the debian repository.
02:28<phorce1>TBBle: DUH! I didn't even think of that.
02:29<Branden>YAY!!!
02:29<Branden>I LOVE YOU PEOPLE!!! <333333333333333333333333
02:29<Branden>Oh lord.. More errors. :(
02:30<jherrera>phorcel kk
02:30<just_free_man>phorce1: i'm qstardict author and my distributive is gentoo
02:30<phorce1>Branden: The joys of rolling your own
02:31<Branden>I'm getting a whole bunch of errors like this: channels.c:50: error: âALOG_DB_ERRORâ undeclared (first use in this function)
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02:35<phorce1>just_free_man: You will probably be the person who is currently MOST interested in maintaining a .deb then. <grin> You may want to (politely) ask on the debian-devel email list if there is anyone willing to take on the maintenance of a debian package of your software.
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02:36<phorce1>just_free_man: I am just a USER, not a maintainer so I am unsure of the etiquette involved.
02:36<phorce1>just_free_man: You may want to join #debian on freenode and ask. It's a bit more lively over there tonight.
02:37<just_free_man>phorce1: thanks
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03:03<Branden>How do you get GMAKE?
03:03<twb>gmake is GNU Make, called "make" on Debian.
03:04<Branden>Yes, I know. But, I'm haveing a problem compileing something so it says to try GMAKE
03:04<twb>You're already using gmake
03:04<Branden>Damn. :(
03:04<twb>If you must, sudo ln -s make /usr/bin/gmake
03:05<twb>It won't make a difference unless the upstream Makefile is very broken.
03:05<twb>VERY, VERY broken
03:05<Branden>Grrrr, Maybe you can help me with the error then.
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03:06<Branden>It has a bunch of this: channels.c: In function âload_chan_dbâ:
03:06<Branden>channels.c:50: error: âALOG_DB_ERRORâ undeclared (first use in this function)
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03:11<twb>Please pastebin the entire transcript.
03:12<Branden>Ok.
03:12<Nemoder>did you run the configure script first?
03:13<Branden>Yes.
03:13<Branden>http://pastebin.com/m765687cd
03:13<twb>Nemoder: he won't have a makefile if he didn't.
03:13<Nemoder>unless somebody packaged an old makefile in a tarball or somesuch
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03:14<twb>Missing dependency.
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03:14<Branden>Hm?
03:14<twb>Branden: you are missing a built-time dependency.
03:14<Branden>Whats that? :S
03:14<twb>I don't know.
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03:17<Nemoder>did the configure script say it found the right mysql support libs?
03:17<twb>The existence of Windows binaries stronly suggests the authors don't have a clue how to deploy software on a Unix-like OS.
03:17<twb>http://denorastats.org/?p=denora
03:17<Branden>Yes, it did.
03:18<Branden>twb: That is where I downloaded it.
03:18<twb>Evidently.
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03:19<mrhummy>Hi, all. I've a problem with my laser print and CUPS: it doesn't print pdf pages with images; I think it's a gs-esp problem. Any suggestion?
03:20<Branden>twb, so what does this mean?
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03:20<Nemoder>maybe something silly like a file permission problem, could try chmod a+r * -R
03:21<twb>Branden: it means you either haven't installed the appropriate dependencies or they aren't being passed to cc by the makefile/configure script.
03:22<Branden>I'm going to start over.. I forgot, whats the command to un-tar a file?
03:22<twb>tar.
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03:23<Branden>tar filename?
03:23<Nemoder>tar x file.tar
03:23<twb>No.
03:23<twb>Nemoder: no.
03:23<Branden>:S
03:23<twb>Branden: the manual has examples at the top of page 1.
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03:26<Nemoder>oh yeah f is for file not force
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03:28<mrhummy>Could anybody help me with CUPS?
03:29<streuner_>!ask
03:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
03:29<Branden>Erm.. Ok. So it unziped... But now there is a file called the name... But its a 0 file.
03:31<[RRTS]jetzh>hey
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03:31<mrhummy>I've a problem with CUPS 1.2.12 on Debian testing AMD64. I doesn't print pdf pages with images.
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03:32<streuner_>do you have cups-pdf installed?
03:32<streuner_>and what does have to do with CUPS at all?
03:33<mrhummy>streuner_: no, but I need to print ti my printer
03:33<streuner_>mrhummy: what app do you use to print them?
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03:33<mrhummy>streuner_: I use xpdf, command lpr
03:34<mrhummy>streuner_: In Debian testing on i386 I haven't the same problem with same version of CUPS
03:34<streuner_>do you have cupsys-bsd installed?
03:34<mrhummy>streuner_: yes
03:34<streuner_>well, and another app doesnt work too?
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03:35<mrhummy>I've tryed only xpdf beecause i need to print a pdf page
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03:36<mrhummy>streuner_: I think that the problem is in gs-esp
03:36<Guest368>I need some help with the transition from GNOME to KDE, I did dpkg -r GNOME and then apt-get install kde kdm but it still boots up in GNOME
03:36<mrhummy>streuner_: CUPS doesn't print only pages with images
03:37<Guest368>Can anyone help?
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03:38<Guest368>Anyone?
03:40<mrhummy>streuner_: do ypu understand my problem?
03:40<streuner_>no
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03:41<mrhummy>streuner_: CUPS doesn't rint pages with images but prints pages with only text
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03:42<mrhummy>In debug messages I'll see only
03:42<mrhummy>a message with an error of gs-eps
03:42<mrhummy>gs-esp
03:43<streuner_>mrhummy: what does dpkg -l cupsys say?
03:44<mrhummy>streuner_: | Stato=Non/Installato/file Config./U:spacchett./conf. Fallita/H:inst.parzial.
03:44<mrhummy>|/ Err?=(nessuno)/H:bloc./necess.Reinst./X=entrambi (Stato,Err: maiusc.=grave)
03:44<mrhummy>||/ Nome Versione Descrizione
03:44<mrhummy>+++-==============-==============-============================================
03:44<mrhummy>ii cupsys 1.2.12-1 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
03:44<streuner_>there was a update lately in unstable, but it works here like a charm
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03:47<mrhummy>streuner_: Do you suggest to update?
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03:47<streuner_>well, as i said before, this version (1.2.12-1) runs here like a charm
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03:47<streuner_>Did you read BTS?
03:48<simonrvn>probably layer 8 problem
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03:49<mrhummy>streuner_: ok
03:49<mrhummy>streuner_: debian AMD64?
03:50<streuner_>!bts
03:50<dpkg>somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
03:51<mrhummy>streuner_: I've readed BTS but I don't find nothing
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03:53<streuner_>try another app, i. e. kpdf
03:54<mrhummy>mh, I need to install kpdf
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03:54<mrhummy>"ESP Ghostscript 815.03: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1", the line in log file of CUPS
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04:08<streuner_>mrhummy: does it work now?
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04:09<mrhummy>streuner_: no?
04:09<mrhummy>streuner_: I've doesn't try with other program
04:09<mrhummy>streuner_: I don't want install kpdf
04:10<dds>Does anyone know of any tools to help build debs for customized configuration?
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04:14<streuner_>dude, install that package, we need to know (its a problem with the app. or not)
04:15<mrhummy>streuner_: mh... If I'll try to print with Gimp?
04:15<streuner_>if you done with that and it still doesn't work, check out linuxprinting.org and search for the right driver
04:15<streuner_>gimp just convert pdfs into jpegs...
04:15<mrhummy>streuner_: the driver is ok
04:15<streuner_>check out is there another available
04:15<mrhummy>streuner_: printer print all pages without images
04:16<mrhummy>streuner_: I'm using the same driver used in another installation on i386
04:17<mrhummy>streuner_: But here it doesn't work
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04:17<streuner_>so file a bugreport
04:17<mrhummy>streuner_: ok
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04:22<mrhummy>streuner_: How do I report the bug?
04:22<streuner_>install "reportbug"
04:23<mrhummy>I've done, now?
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04:25<fpiat>mrfan, you can run "reportbug --configure" the first time.
04:25<fpiat>mrhummy, you can run "reportbug --configure" the first time.
04:25<streuner_>if you aren't able to use a simple app and unterstand what reportbug want from you, just re-install etch/stable
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04:26<mrfan>fpiat, :)
04:26<streuner_>testing or unstable isn't the right release for you then.
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04:36<mrhummy>streuner_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406784
04:37<mrhummy>streuner_: Now the problem is how to use gs-gpl instead of gs-esp
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04:37<mrhummy>streuner_: bug is already reported
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04:38<zartche>bonjours je cherche un tchannel pour l'aide au sujet d'utf-8
04:38<witte>!fr
04:38<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
04:39<zartche>parce que apres avoir configurer mon root je n'est pas pu configure mon simple utilisateur
04:39<zartche>thank
04:39<witte>zartche: and you may want to look up locales
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04:52<m_g>hey people
04:53<m_g>i have a question regarding /etc/sudoers.. can somebody give me an example of how i can simply allow a user to execute a particular command as another user
04:53<m_g>the man page is confusing
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04:58<soar>I want to convert MS outlook's pst files into files Evolution or Thunderbird can import. any advice?
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05:02<Branden>How do I go about doing this? 1. Go to your "stats bin directory" (eg: /home/someuser/stats/) and run mydbgen
05:02<Branden> to help on the schema creation and adjustments.
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05:04[~]vastinfest bids good morning to everyone
05:05<Branden>Goodmorning.
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05:13<soar>is it possible to play quicktime format files in linux
05:13<streuner_>yes
05:13<streuner_>some
05:13<streuner_>some aren't supported
05:14<soar>there's no linux versionof apple's quicktime
05:14<kevc>totem / mplayer will play them with the right codecs installed
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05:21<antonio>salve a tutti
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05:24<Reaper_NZ>Anyone suggest a decent gkrellm Mailwatcher???
05:24<Reaper_NZ>for watching an imap/pop3 box??
05:24<streuner_>whats wrong with the one already in gkrellm?
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05:30<mrhummy>streuner_: I've report the bug. The problem reamins using gs-gpl
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05:32<monra>how do i change permision of a file so that all users can see it and change it? i know chmod has something to do but cannot find what exactly?
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05:33<tarzeau>monra: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
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05:42<fpiat>monra, you can use gnome or kde change permissions. otherwise from a terminal, you can use "chmod a+w /tmp/myfile"
05:42<monra>did
05:42<monra>but still is in root
05:42<monra>user
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05:44<twb>fpiat: 644 is probably safer.
05:44<twb>Oh, he explicitly wants write access.
05:45<monra>check this: -rw-r--r-- 1 monra monra 58438626 2007-07-20 21:13 xampp-linux-1.6.2.tar.gz
05:45<monra>drwxrwxrwx 12 root root 4096 2007-08-11 13:31 zoneideas
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05:45<monra>I want to make the zoneideas folder available from monra
05:45<Branden>Is there a way to change the coloring of the text in SSH? (PuTTy)
05:45<twb>monra: chgrp monra zoneideas
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05:45<twb>monra: chmod g+w zoneideas
05:45<twb>Branden: yes.
05:46<Branden>Where can I find information on how to do this?
05:46<twb>monra: however, you already have read-write access for all users on that directory.
05:46<monra>twb, now i's so x 12 root monra i want to change root also to become monra monra
05:46<twb>Branden: what do you want, specifically?
05:46<twb>monra: chown
05:47<monra>twb, did but gnome still getting me a locker in front of the file, wht?
05:47<monra>why?
05:47<twb>monra: I know nothing of GNOME.
05:47<twb>Branden: so you want a coloured sh prompt?
05:47<monra>twb, what do you use?
05:47<twb>monra: Emacs.
05:47<Branden>twb: Correct.
05:48<monra>i thought Emacs was a text editor
05:48<twb>Branden: google for bash+%22ansi+color%22+prompt
05:48<Branden>Ok. Ty.
05:48<twb>Branden: also see PROMPTING in the bash manual. I assume you're using bash.
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05:49<Branden>Yes, I am.
05:49<twb>Also see #bash on freenode, although they mostly deal with scripting rather than interactiveness.
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05:50<Branden>Ok. Thank you.
05:50<monra>how do i move a folder in another folder?
05:50<monra>mv right?
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05:51<Myon>yes
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05:53<fpiat>monra, mv myfile myfolder/
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05:56<saz>Hi
05:57<aycko>hi
05:57<aycko>i have a problem concerning cups.
05:57<aycko>at least i guess.
05:58<aycko>but noone at #cups answers my questions
05:58<Reaper_NZ>maybe try #saucers... ;P... hehe
05:58<aycko>i cannot print any huge files, say files above 5 mb
05:58<Reaper_NZ>Sorry, Had to....
05:58<aycko>-.-
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05:59<saz>I'm having problems with php and mysql. I've used Gentoo befor and I was able to set 'default_character_set = utf8' for php5-cgi in the my.cnf. Under Debian, I'm not able to do the same under Debian. Any ideas?
05:59<aycko>anyone has a lead what it could be?
05:59<witte>aycko: did you look in /var/log/cups/ for error messages
05:59<saz>aycko: Any error-messages in the logs?
05:59[~]Reaper_NZ don't even have a printer... :)
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06:00<aycko>there are only warnings concerning the language
06:00<saz>aycko: Cups is running on the same host?
06:00<aycko>no on another one, i checked the log only on the remote host
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06:01<makke>aycko: #cups at irc.freenode.org
06:01<aycko>makke: noone answers there
06:02<witte>aycko: you can try to increase the loglevel of cups in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
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06:02<aycko>witte: i did its debug
06:03<aycko>i could upload the config and the logs if it would help
06:03<witte>aycko: and you should look at both sides in order to see the errors: is it sending or receiving that fails
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06:03<aycko>witte: yeah i will try that. good idea.
06:03<witte>mmm, seems that you have done all the easy stuff to look for the that i know of
06:04<witte>aycko: you can put it in a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin), maybe someone can help
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06:05<witte>aycko: are you printing over samba?
06:05<aycko>witte: yeah
06:05<Fedemocho23>someone to help meee
06:05<aycko>witte: both sides are debian, though the remote host is a nslu2
06:05<Fedemocho23>i want to install netinst distro
06:06<Fedemocho23>and i don't know how
06:06<witte>aycko: there is a filesize limit in samba iirc, but that should be 4 GB, not 4 MB
06:06<Branden>Fedemocho23 Did you burn the ISO to a CD?
06:06<Fedemocho23><Branden>
06:06<Fedemocho23><Branden>yes i've
06:06[~]witte googling for nslu2
06:06<aycko>witte: its really just a problem with big files
06:07<fxiny>4 GB ? is it a fat limit ?
06:07<Branden>Fedemocho23 What exactly do you need help on?
06:07<aycko>witte: the first or two pages are ok, the rest is rubbish
06:07<Fedemocho23>when i boot from the cd,
06:07<aycko>witte: black squares and lines
06:08<Fedemocho23>the screen seems like dos and i have some optuions i don´t know what to do
06:08<Branden>Fedemocho23: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
06:08<witte>fxiny: is it a fat limit the 4GB or smb? In any case, that is not the problem here
06:08<Branden>Fedemocho23: Are you new to *nix?
06:09<aycko>i guess i found the problem ;)
06:09<witte>aycko: sorry, I can not help you more, maybe you should try the cups channel again in a few hours and hope for more help there
06:09<aycko>but i gotta be shure
06:09<fxiny>witte: there is such a limit on fat : can't rememer if 4G . looks like
06:10<Fedemocho23><Branden> let´s see...
06:10<Fedemocho23><Branden>what´s *nix?
06:10<witte>aycko: ok, good that you found it yourself, I was not able to help you anyhow :-P
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06:10<fxiny>witte: ohh yes , no problems , i don' care too much . that's why i can't rememeber :)
06:10<Branden>Fedemocho23 Linux/Unix.
06:10<witte>fxiny: :-)
06:10<fxiny>witte: :)))
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06:11<Branden>Fedemocho23: You do know that most *nix are that little black "dos" screen, correct?
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06:11<witte>Fedemocho23: did you try hitting enter when you got the black screen?
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06:12<witte>Fedemocho23: in most cases that will just start the installer and the installation starts just fine
06:12<Branden>Fedemocho23: Also make sure you downloaded the correct ISO.
06:12<Fedemocho23><Branden> i am learning linux
06:12<Branden>:D
06:12<Branden>Fedemocho23 Me too. :)
06:13<Fedemocho23><witte> i hit enter but it seems like i have to put a command
06:13<Fedemocho23><witte>but yet i don't know what to do jeje
06:14<Branden>What ISO did you get?
06:14<Fedemocho23>it´s the first time i enter to an english chat
06:14<Fedemocho23>i am from argentina!
06:14<witte>Fedemocho23: yes: enter is like doing "the standard thing"
06:14<witte>!tell Fedemocho23 -about es
06:14<witte>Fedemocho23: if you are more comfortable with spannish...
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06:15<Branden>Fedemocho23: which did you download? [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc]
06:15<bcochofel>Hi, I'm trying to set the FQDN on my debian but don't know where. hostname -d gives me nothing. Where can I do this?
06:15<Fedemocho23><witte> i am comfortable here thanks
06:15<bcochofel>My PC has static IP
06:16<Fedemocho23><Branden> netinst.iso
06:16<witte>Fedemocho23: normaly the installer starts, and asks you a set of questions, you just have to answer them, if you don't know, just ask here what it means
06:16<Myon>bcochofel: /etc/hostname
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06:16<Fedemocho23>[i386]
06:16<saz>Does anybody know, if there is a way to get php5-cgi to use the my.cnf of mysql
06:16<saz>?
06:16<Myon>though that usually has the short hostname
06:16<Myon>check /etc/hosts
06:16<Branden>Fedemocho23 Thank you. Let me pull up the help file so I can see where you are stuck.
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06:17<Fedemocho23><Branden> tahnks
06:17<bcochofel>Myon: do I need to restart something? I'm still getting localhost
06:17<twb>saz: did you install the php5-mysql package, or whatever it's called?
06:17<Myon>bcochofel: pastebin your /etc/hosts
06:17<Fedemocho23>then if you could answer me in private beacuse sometimes i have to go away from the computer
06:18<bcochofel>!paste
06:18<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
06:18<saz>twb: Sure. The connection to the database is working. I'm trying to set utf8 as default-character-set. Under Gentoo, it's possible to do this through my.cnf.
06:18<saz>Under Debian, this is not working.
06:19<bcochofel>http://paste.debian.net/34410
06:19<twb>saz: NFI, sorry
06:19<Myon>bcochofel: you need to put your real IP there, and move desktop.* there
06:20<Myon>the first entry is the 'canonical' name
06:20<twb>Fedemocho23: can you use "nick: foo" instead of "<nick> foo", please? It looks like you're quoting rather than speaking.
06:20<Myon>that's why it says localhost
06:20<twb>Giving a machine the canonical name "desktop" is a really bad idea.
06:21<twb>It's bound to be repurposed at some point.
06:21<bcochofel>Myon: still the same, hostname -d echoes nothing
06:21<Myon>a formor colleague named *all* his machines the same
06:21<Myon>no idea why, but he liked it
06:21<twb>Myon: did he... accidentally fall from the roof of the building?
06:21<Myon>bcochofel: put the long hostname first
06:22<Myon>twb: not that I knew ;)
06:22<twb>Obviously you are still young
06:22<twb>You need to act swiftly and decisively
06:22<bcochofel>Myon: cool, got it. thx
06:23<Branden>Fedemocho23: Sorry it's takeing so long, I can't seem to find the link I was on eariler.
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06:24<bcochofel>Ok, now how can I reconfigure openldap? I have all the dc entrie with dc=nodomain
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06:26<Fedemocho23><Branden>ok
06:27<Branden>Fedemocho23: Sorry I cannot find the help. So, what do you see exactly on the screen now?
06:27<bcochofel>Found it. dpkg-reconfigure slapd
06:28<Branden>Fedemocho23: What did you burn the CD with?
06:28<saz>If I'm trying to setting locales (using dpkg-reconfigure locales) everything seems to be good, but if I'm verifying if it's worked, $LANG is not set and all other $LC_-vars are set to Posix. What am I doing wrong?
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06:28<Fedemocho23><Branden> with nero
06:29<Fedemocho23><Branden>option "boot cd"
06:29<Branden>Fedemocho23: Ok.
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06:29<Branden>Fedemocho23: When you boot with the CD, what appears?
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06:30<Fedemocho23><Branden>i'll tell you what i see in the screen...i must conect with another pc...i'll be back
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06:30<Branden>And here I though he was at the computer. :S
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06:33<saz>It seems as I'm missing /etc/environment. Where does this file come from?
06:33<witte> saz: apt-file search /etc/environment
06:34<witte>saz: but that does not give anything on my pc...
06:34<saz>Hmm...
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06:34<ifvoid>saz: witte probably some pam ackage
06:34<ifvoid>libpam-modules or so
06:34<saz>witte: What's your $LANG is set to?
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06:35<witte>ifvoid: but apt-file search should give that
06:35<witte>even if i did not install it myself...
06:35<saz>On my system, I'm not able to set the right locale.
06:35<witte>$ echo $LANG \n en_US.UTF-8
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06:36<witte>saz: dpkg-reconfigure locales should do that
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06:37<saz>witte: No, it doesn't. I've tried it.
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06:37<skefe>Hi guys!
06:37<saz>witte: It's creating the right locales, as I've selected, but is not setting the right locale.
06:37<witte>saz: and after starting a new bash shell.
06:37<witte>?
06:38<saz>witte: Nope. After rebooting the whole system, it's not set.
06:38<skefe>I've just installed Debian on my desktop
06:38<witte>saz: and you don't reset it somewhere else in some old .bashrc or something that you copied from someone else?
06:39<skefe>and I need to configure grub
06:39<skefe>anyone can gice some instructions how to configure it?
06:39<Branden>skefe: GRUB is configured durring the install proccess.
06:39<saz>witte: It's a new installed system.
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06:40<skefe>I now I now, Branden
06:40<skefe>sorry, I know!
06:40<Branden>fedemocho23: Welcome back.
06:40<fedemocho23>Branden i am back
06:40<fedemocho23>jeje thanks
06:40<skefe>but I need to change the default option on the menu
06:40<witte>saz: just checking some things you might look over...
06:40<skefe>now is the Debian, but for my parents...
06:40<skefe>I have to put winzoz as the default one!
06:40<witte>skefe: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and afterwards run grub-install
06:41<gsimmons>skefe: You'd want to modify the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst as appropriate. See also <http://wiki.debian.org/GRUB>.
06:41<Branden>fedemocho23: Please boot the computer you are installing it on, and when the screen stops, please show me the last few lines.
06:41<skefe>thanks guys!
06:41<skefe>:-D
06:41<fedemocho23>Branden the secreen says "using dpms dos protected mode services"
06:42<fedemocho23>"caldera dos 7.03"
06:42<Branden>Is it booting from the CD?
06:42<fedemocho23>"current options"
06:42<fedemocho23>yes it is
06:42<gsimmons>fedemocho23: You've burned the image incorrectly. Please refer to <http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows>.
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06:43<saz>witte: On another system, /etc/environment is available as mentioned here: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale?highlight=%28locale%29 Is /etc/environment also available on your system?
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06:44<fedemocho23>gsimmons i'll see....
06:44<witte>saz: mm, yes it is, and it states LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
06:44<witte>saz: can you touch /etc/environment, and afterwards run dpkg-reconfigure locales
06:46<saz>witte: Nothing changed. File is still empty...
06:46<fedemocho23><gsimmons> are you sure?
06:46<saz>I'm trying to set it using vim :)
06:46<witte>saz: which locales version do you have (dpkg -l |grep locales)
06:47<Branden>fedemocho23: What type of CD did you burn to? CD-R CD-RW or DVD?
06:47<gsimmons>fedemocho23: Positive. Debian install images do not contain Caldera DR-DOS. This has been included (by your recording application) during mastering.
06:47<fedemocho23><Branden> it`s a cd-r
06:48<witte>fedemocho23: you probalby should not burn it as a boot cdrom, but just burn the iso
06:48<gsimmons>fedemocho23: You'd want to create a new image without any "make bootable" crud applied.
06:48<fedemocho23><gsimmons> jaja ok
06:48<saz>witte: locales Version: 2.6.1-1
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06:49<witte>saz: ok, that is the same one as i have on my debian sid box
06:49<fedemocho23><gsimmons> ok athnks
06:49<saz>witte: I've changed the locales on another system. There it is working but /etc/environment is not updated...
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06:50<Myon>fedemocho23: could you try "nick:" instead of "<nick>"? it looks so weird
06:50<fedemocho23><Myon> i don't understand you
06:50<Myon>13:50 <fedemocho23> <Myon> i don't understand you
06:50<witte>saz: sorry, can not help you any further, you should ask someone more knowledgable
06:50<fedemocho23><Myon> what do you mean
06:51<Myon>that should be: <fedemocho23> Myon: i don't understand you
06:51<Branden>Myon: I think its his script that is causeing that.
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06:51<Myon>utterly braindead
06:51<Myon>fedemocho23: <nick> is how most irc clients show what other people are saying
06:52<witte>saz: or you could try to reinstall locales (apt-get install --reinstall
06:52<Myon>if you use that to address others, it looks like you are quoting something they have said earlier
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06:52<saz>witte: I will try.
06:52<fedemocho23>Myon:ok
06:52<Myon>ty
06:52<Myon>though I guess in the meantime we got used to it :)
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06:54<fedemocho23>i have to go away from the pc, i''come back
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06:57<saz>witte: Problem still exists.
06:57<saz>witte: update-locale is writting the locale to /etc/default/locale.
06:57<saz>witte: But it seems, as this file isn't parsed from _anything_
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06:59<witte>saz: In that case it is as i said before: something I can not help you with :-)
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07:00<frank>saz: 'grep locale /etc/init.d/*' says something else
07:00<igno_rant>could anyone pls help on installing splash on etch?...
07:01<ifvoid>splash?
07:02<igno_rant>splashy...
07:03<saz>frank: console-screen.sh
07:03<ifvoid>igno_rant: I have no idea what that is
07:04<ifvoid>igno_rant: and don't /msg people, please
07:04<saz>frank: but console-screen.sh isn't available. Package console-tools is not installed on my system...
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07:07<Branden>igno_rant: I have no clue, but look here: http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/
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07:09<igno_rant>tried that and more... point is my package gets broken ... my deb packages do not meet what is needed even after update.and hence the proble,
07:09<Branden>igno_rant: What is the problem exactly?
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07:10<Branden>igno_rant: Have you tried "" apt-get update
07:10<igno_rant>broken packages... want to know if others faced the same or am i doing something wrong...
07:10<igno_rant>sure i did
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07:11<Branden>igno_rant: Have your gone through the requirments and made you sure had all of them?
07:11<EmleyMoor>What does it mean when all that happens at an attempt to boot is "GRUB GRUB Loading stage1.5." repeating constantly?
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07:12<ifvoid>igno_rant: you still haven't explained what exactly the problem is
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07:12<ifvoid>please try and explain exaclty what you are trying to do, why it doesn't work, and which error messages you get
07:13<ifvoid>paste them ontpo a pastebin, if necessary
07:13<ifvoid>EmleyMoor: probably means that grub can't find its config
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07:13<EmleyMoor>ifvoid: OK - why would that condition exist with an added hard disk at what would be /dev/hdc?
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07:14<ifvoid>EmleyMoor: I have no idea what you're trying to say
07:14<ifvoid>EmleyMoor: what did you change?
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07:15<EmleyMoor>ifvoid: I added an extra hard disk, as master on the second channel, and this happened. I removed it and it unhappened.
07:15<EmleyMoor>I put it as slave on 4th channel and it was OK
07:15<Branden>That name explains it all. :| (Refears to Igno_rant) ((lolz))
07:15<ifvoid>EmleyMoor: seems grub is confused to on which disk its config it on
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07:15<ifvoid>is on
07:16<EmleyMoor>ifvoid: Must be very confused, if it can suddenly start looking on an obviously wrong one when fitted and revert to the right one when removed
07:16<ifvoid>grub is weird
07:17<EmleyMoor>It can sit as slave on 4th for this time
07:17<ifvoid>you might want to try asking on #grub or so (probably on freenode)
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07:25<_Oculto_>hello!
07:25<mjk>Hi
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07:26<_Oculto_>mjk, do you have kurumin?
07:26<witte>!kurumin
07:26<dpkg>Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br
07:26<aycko>;)
07:26<mjk>:-)
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07:27<EmleyMoor>!bod
07:27<_Oculto_>I 'd like to make server proxy in debian distribuition
07:27<_Oculto_>=/
07:27<ifvoid>_Oculto_: no, you're not using Debian
07:27<ifvoid>_Oculto_: go ask in a kurumin channel
07:28<ifvoid>(or install Debian proper)
07:28<_Oculto_>ok
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07:28<_Oculto_>thanks
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07:32<Ommy>hey, i'm trying to install lenny via netinst cd on a dmraid setup. the software raid is detected correctly, but "Install base system" fails - "couldn't find package dmraid". Obviously the package is on the installer cd. How can i fix this? thx
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07:32<ifvoid>Ommy: hmm, weird
07:32<ifvoid>Ommy: are you sure the cd is correct?
07:32<ifvoid>oh lenny
07:33<ifvoid>I'm note sure those installers are even supposed to function
07:33<aycko>;)
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07:33<ifvoid>please file a bug, and install etch from cd, then upgrade to lennt via apt-get dist-upgrade
07:33<ifvoid>these lenny installers are just daily snapshots afaik
07:34<ifvoid>buggy and untested and all that
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07:37<saz>Bye.
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07:38<Ommy>Yep, cd is correct
07:39<Ommy>lenny has built-in dmraid support (in the installer), that's why i am trying the daily build...
07:39<ifvoid>ah
07:39<ifvoid>doesn't etch also suppor that?
07:40<twb>What is `dm' raid?
07:40<ifvoid>software raid
07:40[~]vastinfest GitS rulez..
07:40<ifvoid>Ommy: you might try asking on #debian-boot
07:40<twb>Etch's d-i supports linux software raid
07:40<ifvoid>Ommy: that's a developer-oriented channel though
07:41<twb>If you forcibly put /boot on raid and lvm, it won't let you install grub legacy as the bootloader, though
07:41<Ommy>yeah, but i have to dualboot with win
07:41<Ommy>thats why i cant use lin raid
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07:41<ifvoid>uh
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07:41<ifvoid>dm raid == lnux software raid
07:42<twb>Maybe he wants to use fakeraid
07:42<twb>Which is silly
07:42<Ommy>yeah thats what i meant
07:42<Ommy>and that's what dmraid does
07:42<ifvoid>fakeraid?
07:42<ifvoid>what's that?
07:43<gsimmons>!fakeraid
07:43<dpkg>Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these got only a bios ... if you use thiem with debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid.
07:43<Ommy>vendor-specific bios-emulated raid without real raid controllers
07:43<ifvoid>oh yeah
07:43<twb>All the pain and none of the functionality of a hardware raid setup
07:44<ifvoid>Ommy: anyway, if the array is correctly detected, but the installer doesn't work, that definately a bug
07:44<ifvoid>the people in #debian-boot can help you
07:44<ifvoid>twb: software raid has its advantages over hardware raid though
07:44<twb>Yes.
07:44<twb>But fakeraid is just dumb
07:44<ifvoid>yeah well
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07:44<ifvoid>just software raid for windows
07:45<Ommy>... :)
07:45<Ommy>yeah, well, i'll try debian-boot, thx
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07:45<Brandy>Ok. So I just eliminated my router.. I have my internet connection going from my DSL modem to my Windows (current) computer, and Debian connecing VIA CAT5, how can I find out what IP address the Debian is useing?
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07:46<Branden>Let me redefine. My Debian is connecting to my Windows server VIA CAT5
07:46<saltmiser>Brandy, wait, so the winbox is acting as a gateway?
07:47<saltmiser>er, branden yeah
07:47<saltmiser>yeah that's easy open up a shell and type in something like
07:47<saltmiser>ifconfig eth0
07:47<saltmiser>and the ip is in there somewhere
07:47<saltmiser>shell on the debian box
07:47<Branden>Ok. Thank you, I'll go get that now.
07:48<Branden>It seems to have the wrong address.
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07:49<saltmiser>hmm, idk what you're trying to do really, but I can't stay long I have to leave, sorry :/
07:50<Branden>Its ok. I'll find help soon, I have to go too. lol Ty though.
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08:04<Branden>Ok. I hope someone can help me. I want my Debian box to connect to my Windows XP (VIA CAT5) and use the internet that the XP is getting (VIA USB).
08:06<saltmiser>isn't there like a "connection sharing" thing on windows that lets you do that, you have to like mess with the usb interface and find the thing that lets you "share" it
08:07<Branden>Yes, I have that enabled. But Debian is useing the wrong internal IP
08:07<Branden>Its useing the IP from when I had my router hooked.
08:07<ifvoid>Branden: so, change that
08:07<Branden>How?
08:07<ifvoid>Branden: edit /etc/network/interfaces
08:08<ifvoid>and run ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
08:08<Branden>How do I edit?
08:08<ifvoid>nano
08:09<EmleyMoor>Branden: Using nano, or vi if you like it
08:09<witte>Branden: gui: kate, gedit, ... commandline nano,...
08:09<saltmiser>dhcp?
08:09<ifvoid>saltmiser: I doubt that windows has that
08:09<saltmiser>doesn't windows do dhcp on the sharing thing, so you'd have to make debian use dhcp
08:10<Branden>Hmmm. I'm not sure.
08:10<saltmiser>I for some reason don't I remember doing it and I don't remember having to set up a static ip for the box
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08:10<EmleyMoor>Windows Internet Connection Sharing does indeed do DHCP
08:10<saltmiser>word
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08:10<Branden>Ok.
08:10<ifvoid>Branden: even better then
08:10<saltmiser>so yeah branden, just get the debian box to use dhcp
08:10<EmleyMoor>Have used that in emergencies myself
08:10<ifvoid>Branden: replace all eth0 stuff in the interfaces file by "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
08:11<Branden>Ok.
08:11<Branden>Let me go try to figure this out.
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08:15<Branden>Ok. Allset. :D
08:15<Branden>Now to see if it has internet access.
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08:34<bartair>hi weiss jemand wie man hsf+ unter debianetch mounten kann
08:34<ifvoid>!de
08:34<dpkg>it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
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08:35<bartair>habe eine extere festplatte mit hsf+ file system per usb angesteckt
08:35<bartair>oo sorry
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08:36<bartair>how can i mount hsf+ on debian etch
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08:47<gsimmons>bartair: Specify "hfsplus" as the filesystem type within mount commands or /etc/fstab.
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08:49<bartair>ive installed the hfsplus package but it seems like i cant mount hfs+ images with "mount" :(
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09:07<twb>bartair: what command are you using?
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09:08<frank>bartair: the package you installed got hpmount
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09:08<twb>frank: that's not necessary.
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09:13<bartair>twb: mount -t hfsplus -f /dev/sdb /mnt/disk2
09:13<twb>bartair: as root?
09:13<bartair>yes
09:13<twb>bartair: does dmesg show anything?
09:14<twb>e.g. "corrupt, not mounting, fatty"
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09:15<bartair>no output for dmesg | grep corrupt
09:16<twb>bartair: foolish boy!
09:16<twb>dmesg | tail -40
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09:17<bartair>twb: is the same!
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09:18<bartair>twb: the storage is ok, because it works on an other system
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09:20<twb>bartair: it's perfectly possible for HFS+ to mount on OS X and not work on GNU/Linux when the filesystem is damaged.
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09:24<aneb>there a way to install debian with no cd?
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09:26<frank>aneb: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en
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09:49<chaoticmass>What terminal based CD-burner program for Debian Etch can you guys recommend? I need to burn a Debian Netinst CD.
09:49<Myon>wodim
09:50<chaoticmass>Myon : looks good, thanks
09:51<twb>They all use wodim internally anyway
09:52<twb>chaoticmass: wodim -v -eject -dao driveropts=burnfree device=/dev/cdrw netinst-hyacinth.iso
09:52<chaoticmass>twb: that'll save me some man reading :)
09:52<twb>That's the "all the fruit" invocation.
09:53<twb>Really you only need device and the file name(s).
09:53<chaoticmass>I always used to use windows to burn my CDs but I don't even have windows anymore it's a good time to figure out how to do it on Debian
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09:56<twb>I have the same problem with printing. I print like once a month, so I haven't bothered setting things up so I can print to the plugged-into-shitty-windows-box laser.
09:56<twb>Instead I make a PDF and smbclient it to the windows box, then rdesktop in and open and print it
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09:57<chaoticmass>twb: I tackled the printing problem a while back. It wasn't so hard. I sorta had to though since I have to print things all day at work.
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09:58<twb>chaoticmass: care to give me a brief synopsis?
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10:00<chaoticmass>twb: well, I usually have to google up an overview of the process whenever I do it but the gist is you install cupsys, foomatic and then you can easily install a printer using KDE's printer config interface
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10:00<twb>Um, I don't use X
10:01<chaoticmass>well the same applies sans the KDE part
10:01<chaoticmass>you use the cupsys configuration instead
10:01<chaoticmass>the KDE stuff just makes it more baby easy
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10:01<twb>chaoticmass: can I get you to /query me and dump some output from your box for me?
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10:02<chaoticmass>sure I can try. I'm not currently on the box that is setup for printing but I can ssh to it
10:02<twb>Actually, just /query or pastebin the output of the command:c more /etc/cups/*.conf | cat
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10:02<chaoticmass>k, 1 min
10:03<twb>Thanks
10:04<chaoticmass>is that "c more" or something else?
10:04<twb>Huh?
10:04<twb>more(1)
10:04<twb>I'm using it and cat to insert filename headings
10:04<chaoticmass>"Actually, just /query or pastebin the output of the command:c more /etc/cups/*.conf | cat"
10:05<twb>Oops, typo
10:05<chaoticmass>I parsed that as run the command "c more /etc/cups/*.conf | cat"
10:05<chaoticmass>I don't know of a command called "c"
10:05<twb>Elide that leading c
10:05<chaoticmass>k
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10:06<saylar>hey guys
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10:06<saylar>i need someone to please highlight my nick here
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10:07<twb>saylar: I will do no such thing.
10:07<saylar>shame on you
10:07<saylar>;)
10:07<twb>Wow, magnatune's backannouncing on the free version is actually kind of useful
10:07<twb>I want something to do that for xmms2
10:07<chaoticmass>twb: http://sia-tech.com/cups_conf.txt
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10:08<twb>chaoticmass: thanks
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10:08<chaoticmass>twb: check it, make sure it has the info you were looking for
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10:08<twb>Ah, printers.conf
10:09<twb>I hate pseudo-XML even more than real XML
10:09<chaoticmass>twb: lol
10:09<twb>Stupid arbitrarily-grammaticized flat files
10:10<chaoticmass>that is pretty stupid now that I look at it, haha
10:10<chaoticmass><DefaultPrinter printername></Printer> wtf
10:11<twb>chaoticmass: you should see some of the extensions that SGML has
10:11<twb>You can do stuff like "I <i/heart/ Wales"
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10:11<chaoticmass>I'm not familiar with SGML
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10:12<twb>SGML is basically XML's daddy
10:12<fxiny>or <i/sheep Wales/ smiling"
10:12<twb>In SGML, <b><i>foo</b></i> is valid
10:12<chaoticmass>oh god why
10:12<twb>It's basically a messier version
10:12<twb>From before people finished reinventing sexps with shitty bloated syntax
10:13<twb>fxiny: is </> valid in XML?
10:13<fxiny>twb: i hate xml so i don't know : just copy yours ^^^ and add some mushroom to spice it up :)
10:14<chaoticmass>well, thanks for the help. My Netinst iso is finished downloading.
10:14<chaoticmass>nice chatting :)
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10:14<twb>Stupid bitch quit messages
10:14<twb>>hate hate hate<
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10:15<fxiny>twb: i have a good friend from Cymrum . he explained to me why sheeps smile ...
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10:15<twb>fxiny: hahaha
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10:16<fxiny>i'd better s/Cymrum/Cymrun/g : he's wife is a witch !
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10:36<dreamer>is there an ide which provides code completion on Linux completely, like on Visual Studio?
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10:37<dreamer>I tried Code::Blocks, it seems excellent but code completion doesn't work correctly
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10:44<ranix>dreamer: if you find one let me know
10:44<ranix>I have been using vim
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10:48<ifvoid>kdevelop perhaps
10:48<ifvoid>or anjuta
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10:57<dreamer>ranix: developers are developing a code completion plug-in for code::blocks
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10:57<dreamer>and there probably will be support for code completion completely
10:57<dreamer>in the future
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10:59<dreamer>how is vim's code completion with code completion script?
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11:00<dreamer>by the way, kdevelop's code completion is not so good
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11:08<zulu>hi there!, I dont know what happened but my disk partionning was done with parted, everything seems allright, debian work like a charm, but installing xp tell I have one 137Go big partition... Is it possible to put it's partition table in a non compatible state? May I make it compatible again without destroyin all my parts?
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11:11<zulu>parted says: partition table: msdos ... (I hate doz!)
11:12<zulu>of course I wont format my 137Go part in windows, cause I really do not trust it
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11:13<ifvoid>zulu: that's weird
11:14<zulu>yes it is...
11:14<ifvoid>partition table should be does though
11:14<zulu>is there a soft makin partition table compatibility check?
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11:14<ifvoid>can you past ethe output of fdisk -l to a pastbin?
11:14<zulu>a pastbin? what do you mean?
11:15<ifvoid>!pate
11:15<dpkg>well, pate is liver!
11:15<ifvoid>uh
11:15<ifvoid>!paste
11:15<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
11:15<zulu>ok
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11:17<zulu>http://rafb.net/p/ZNdcKc75.html
11:17<zulu>I don't know if I did the things right, can you see my partition table?
11:17<ifvoid>yeah
11:18<zulu>cool
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11:18<ifvoid>well, that looks ok
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11:18<ifvoid>windows should show 2 partitions
11:18<zulu>what do you think? 4 primary, one extended...
11:18<zulu>yes the ntfs and fat one...
11:18<ifvoid>yeah
11:19<zulu>I use to install XP on this box without pb, Only I had to put my sata controller in compatible mode
11:19<ifvoid>oh, windows isn't installed yet?
11:19<zulu>what's confuse my is that it sees one big partition of 137Go...
11:19<zulu>well it use to be installed on the ntfs and worked for a while but now it is unbootable BSOD
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11:20<ifvoid>well
11:20<ifvoid>how old is your pc?
11:20<zulu>core duo 2 p5b
11:20<zulu>(asus)
11:20<ifvoid>hmmz
11:20<ifvoid>old pcs had problems with large disks
11:20<ifvoid>but that can't be it
11:20<zulu>...
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11:20<ifvoid>maybe the setting in the bios is wrong?
11:21<ifvoid>it should be set to auto and lba, I think
11:21<dreamer>i think this problem is related to active partition
11:21<zulu>well, what make me think it's more a partition pb is that windows installer detect the disk, it is only wrong on partition table :)
11:21<dreamer>does your boot manager work?
11:21<dreamer>grub
11:22<ifvoid>zulu: hmmz sounds like it yeah
11:22<zulu>well, grub is booting debian and booting windows, (windows just crash during its boot)
11:22<ifvoid>but I really wouldn't know what could be causing that
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11:23<ifvoid>but the 137GB thing point to a bios problem
11:23<zulu>perhaps I could format in linux the ntfs filesys in fat one and relaunch the doz install ?
11:23<ifvoid>that might help
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11:23<dreamer>have you ever mounted your win partition rw mode?
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11:23<zulu>yes, in linux the ntfs and fat one are mounted and accessible without any pb
11:24<dreamer>in ro mode or rw mode?
11:24<zulu>ro for ntfs rw for fat
11:24<dreamer>hmm
11:24<zulu>writin work for fat
11:24<fxiny>what version of ntfsresize ?
11:25<zulu>I don't remember which soft in linux told me that my ntfs boot sector was wrong
11:25<zulu>ntfsresize? what that?
11:25<ifvoid>this has nothing to do with bootsectors
11:25<ifvoid>the partition table is ok
11:25<ifvoid>it's windows that's fucked up
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11:26<dreamer>starting win in safe mode then running checkdisk may solve the problem
11:26<ifvoid>zulu: if there's no data you want to keep in the ntfs partition, I'd say: change it to vfat and reinstall windows
11:26<zulu>ok perhaps the doz installer see the partition table, then the ntfs part, and then is confused for I don't know why about this partition?
11:26<ifvoid>and try dreamer's suggestion
11:26<ifvoid>but be sure to have backups of your data
11:26<zulu>dreamer I think doz crash before askin me anything
11:26<zulu>ok
11:27<dreamer>there is no dos
11:27<zulu>no dos?
11:27<zulu>what do you mean?
11:27<ifvoid>zulu: you can run the windows rescue console from the install disk, iirc
11:27<dreamer>you don't use dos
11:27<ranix>xp has nodos
11:27<zulu>gonna reformat fat the 1rst parto to see
11:27<dreamer>every text based screen is not dos
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11:27<zulu>thx for support guys, brb
11:28<ranix>sigh
11:28<fxiny>i wouldn't let windows messing with partitions
11:28<ranix>it's like a retard running with scissors
11:28<dreamer>is there checkdisk on xp?
11:28<fxiny>windows is a pig
11:28<ifvoid>yeah, be sure to make a backup first
11:28<zulu>ok
11:28<zulu>;)
11:28<ifvoid>and back up the mbr to be sure
11:28<zulu>just pray for me
11:28<ranix>why are you installing windows in the first place
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11:29<fxiny>zulu: save your mbr now
11:29<zulu>no particular reason ranix
11:29<ifvoid>and be sure to have a knoppix or ubuntu or debian installer disk
11:29<ranix>just run it virtualized
11:29<ifvoid>and a grub boot disk
11:29<zulu>ok ;)
11:29<ranix>then you get this awesome ability to restore it to working condition by pressing a button / using a command
11:29<dreamer>why don't you use windows on a virtual machine?
11:29<dreamer>:)
11:30<ranix>so when it eats shit and dies you can just do that
11:30<ifvoid>dreamer: I doubt you would very good 3d performance of such a setup
11:30<dreamer>hmm
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11:30<ifvoid>and games are the only reason I run windows at home
11:30<dreamer>i didn't think that
11:30<zulu>well the only reason why I use doz if for music software, and I really dont need any emulation layer for that :)
11:30<ranix>uh
11:30<ifvoid>do?
11:30<ifvoid>doz?
11:31<fxiny>exactly : chop all windows legs and arms an do games
11:31<zulu>xp pro (sorry I hate writin this word in a respectable channel like this)
11:31<fxiny>be cruel :P
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11:31<ranix>don't be a lamer just say xp when you're talking about xp
11:31<ranix>nothing wrong with xp besides the obvious
11:32<zulu>ok
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11:32<ranix>this isn't an elite club of cool dudes
11:32<ifvoid>it isn't?
11:32[~]ifvoid is out of here then
11:32<ifvoid>;)
11:32<ranix>not last time I checked
11:32<ranix>:P
11:32<zulu>gonna shoot my hd (see you soon)
11:32<ranix>we let just anyone inhere
11:33<zulu>or very later :)
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11:33<lucas_amorim>Hello! I am trying to configure a "VIA Technologies, Inc. AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 80)" on a debian lenny system in order to get dial up conncetion.. Can anyone help me?
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11:33<lucas_amorim>connection*
11:34<lucas_amorim>I just do not know what to do. I have installed gnome ppp an a package called sl-modem-deamon ... But i do not know what to do from here
11:35<dreamer>can't mysql developers solve the code completion problem of code::blocks?
11:36<dreamer>ms visual studio creates a database file for code completion
11:36<dreamer>so a similer method can be applied to code::blocks
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11:38<chealer>dreamer: ask them
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11:38<dreamer>excellent idea
11:38<dreamer>i will send an e-mail them
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11:50<dreamer>I sent an e-mail, but I don't know if they will support the code::blocks project
11:50<dreamer>:)
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11:55<zulu>hey guys, fdisk /dev/sda tells me the number of cylinders for this disk is set to 38913, it should be 1024 right?
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11:55<zulu>It could explain why xp see my whole disk as a 137Gb partition...
11:56<zulu>How do I set it to 1024, and does it implie it will fuck up all my hd content?
11:56<aycko>hi
11:56<zulu>hi
11:56<simonrvn>zulu: cylinders are not blocks
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11:57<aycko>how can i check what devices are used as swap?
11:57<zulu>simonrvn sorry I don't know nothing about blocks, tracks, cynlinders or...
11:57<zulu>you mean I can change it without loosing data?
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11:58<simonrvn>i didn't say that
11:58<dreamer>cylinder number can't be big that much, i think
11:58<simonrvn>and you shouldn't mess with that stuff if you don't know what they are
11:58<aycko>i used vmstat
11:58<zulu>yes that's what's wrong with my disk clearly
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11:59<aycko>but there is no unit
11:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 304] by debhelper
11:59<aycko>i dont know if its mb or kb.
11:59<dreamer>so, windows can't drive that partition with that config
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11:59<zulu>yes
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11:59<dreamer>you should use an application like norton disc doctor
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12:00<zulu>do you know where I change the number of cylinders?
12:00<dreamer>i don't know partition structure subject
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12:01<dreamer>i think you can solve the problem by using an app like norton disc doctor
12:02<zulu>ok in fdisk I found where to change number of cylinders, does someone know if I will loose all my data?
12:02<zulu>I really wonder why my number of cylinder are wrong!!
12:02<dreamer>you should check your number of cylinders in your bios
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12:03<dreamer>on harddisk features
12:03<zulu>where is it displayed? I have an award bios
12:03<zulu>ok
12:03<dreamer>i don't remember its full name
12:03<zulu>and then changing in fdisk will crash all my data?
12:03<zulu>nobody knows?
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12:04<dreamer>i think fdisk repartitions your harddisk on any change
12:04<sward>aycko: I think the units in vmstat are all KiB. /sbin/swapon -s shows your swap devices. free will also tell you how much swap is in use.
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12:05<dreamer>so, probably it will
12:05<dreamer>i may be wrong
12:05<zulu>ok gonna check my number of cylinders in the bios and fdisk it to the right number
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12:06<dreamer>you may lose your data
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12:06<aycko>sward: thx
12:06<zulu>ok... after all, what the use of data if I cannot do what I want with my pc :)
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12:06<zulu>thx for support dreamer
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12:06<dreamer>np
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12:10<Branden>Is it possible to unzip RAR on Debian?
12:11<sward>unrar
12:11<Branden>ty
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12:14<Corkscrew>oh for... I keep forgetting the command is /part not /quit
12:14<Corkscrew>also, hi.
12:14<Corkscrew>I'm having a dependency conflict trying to get an nvidia binary to work
12:14<azeem>!nvidia
12:14<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
12:15<Corkscrew>thanks azeem+bot, brb
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12:22<zulu>ok guys, I read on my harddrive: chs:16383/16/83 and for unknown reasons fdisk tells me I have 38913 cylinders, should I correct this?
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12:23<dreamer>can this number be big that much?
12:23<dreamer>you may have at most 5 or 6 cylinders I think
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12:24<zulu>well, I think the things are more complicated, for instance I have 16 heads, but changing number of heads in fdisk suggest me 255!!!
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12:25<zulu>this is a 320Gb SATA disk
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12:25<ifvoid>zulu: the CHS numbers your bios and os report are fake
12:25<fxiny>zulu: runn fdisk -l and check at Units line your hd capacity
12:25<ifvoid>zulu: the drive rearranges the numbers to work around bios limitations
12:26<zulu>cause there is a "logical mode" called lba? or something?
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12:27<zulu>Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
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12:27<zulu>255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
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12:27<zulu>Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes
12:27<zulu>which seems right :)
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12:28<dreamer>i have 2432 cylinders, i can't believe
12:29<dreamer>is this system different than physical system?
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12:29<zulu>hum, so this mean phys != logical, And I will never understand why this !@#$ xp install see my disk as a 137Go huge partition :)
12:29<graytron_>i installed vice on sarge and soon noticed that all my virtual consoles (/dev/tty1 - /dev/tty6) have a greenish background and all characters on screen appear as colored square blocks. any ideas what caused this?
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12:30<zulu>the only way is to delete this partition with xp, destroy all my data and then install linux....
12:30<dreamer>zulu, i don't know the structure of partitoning, so i may recommend just using an application to repair your partitioning
12:30<zulu>shit, I hate that...
12:31<dreamer>like norton disc doctor
12:31<zulu>dreamer my partitioning seems of for cfdisk, parted and fdisk!!
12:31<zulu>of I meant ok
12:31<dreamer>how did you partiton your harddisk
12:31<zulu>with parted
12:32<dreamer>did you part your linux parts with xp setup?
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12:32<zulu>no
12:32<fxiny>how did you resize xp/ntfs ? which ntfsresize version ?
12:32<zulu>but next time I will do that
12:32<zulu>fxiny I never did such things
12:32<dreamer>don't do that
12:33<dreamer>what did you do firstly?
12:33<dreamer>xp setup or linux partitioning?
12:33<Student_>I am new to Linux. I am trying to install Debian, but that is about as far as I have gotten. I am unsure of my architecture, and unsure what do download....
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12:33<zulu>no, I installed linux, I did 2 partition for xp and then I installed xp
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12:33<dreamer>hmm
12:34<simonrvn>Student_: what OS is it running right now?
12:34<zulu>Student_ what is your pc?
12:34<Student_>IBM R40 laptop
12:34<Student_>windows, everything stock
12:34<simonrvn>Student_: i386
12:34[~]vastinfest eina away..
12:34<dreamer>i think that you should reinstall grub
12:35<zulu>reinstall grub?, I just installed a new kernel, everything seemed ok
12:35<zulu>how to reinstall it?
12:35<zulu>grub-install ?
12:35<dreamer>or reconfigure it
12:35<Student_>thanks, so now I go to bit torrent, i 386 stable release, and download what?
12:36<dreamer>reconfiguring it may be useful
12:36<zulu>dreamer do you think grub in mbr could make xp installer unable to read the partition table correctly?
12:36<simonrvn>Student_: debian 4.0 latest version
12:36<fxiny>zulu: try to hide the second windows partition with gparted and see what
12:36<dreamer>probably i understood the problem
12:36<zulu>Student_ if you have a permanent acces to internet I would recommand the net-install
12:36<simonrvn>Student_: see www.debian.org for the details
12:37<simonrvn>and yeh netinst if you have good bandwidth
12:37<dreamer>your mbr of xp has gone
12:37<dreamer>the main problem is this i think
12:37<dreamer>you installed linux firstly
12:37<dreamer>then you installed windows
12:38<Student_>i do have permanent access. at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/, what do i download
12:38<dreamer>and windows changed mbr with winloader
12:38<dreamer>then you did somethings, didn't you?
12:38<dreamer>to boot your linux
12:39<zulu>fxiny gparted tells me unknow for my first logical part in extended (this is my swap) strange huh?
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12:39<simonrvn>Student_: netinst one
12:39<simonrvn>Student_: sec, lemme go see
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12:39<Student_>thanks, i may be in the wrong place all together
12:39<simonrvn>Student_: scroll down to the bottom you'll see the netinst one
12:40<zulu>gparted dont know about swap???
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12:40<simonrvn>Student_: that's the net install one
12:40<zulu>there is another thing, my 2 partition (primary) has no lba flag
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12:40<Student_>ok, thank you. i'll give it a try. (even getting onto this chat was a challenge)
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12:41<irwiss__>zulu; There is a difference between what partition table says for partition type number(what gparted shows) and what's a partition actually is
12:41<simonrvn>Student_: good luck
12:41<dreamer>the problem is this zulu, you should consider to rearrange your mbr
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12:41<zulu>Student_ good luck :)
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12:41<skefe>Well, I have to mount some NTFS partitions...
12:41<skefe>I'm using ntfs-3g
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12:41<fxiny>zulu: gparted knows very well about swap : dig into it
12:42<zulu>dreamer how to rearange it? if I clean it, I will have to reboot with debian installer, mount my parts and the make grub install right?
12:42<skefe>when I mount by command mount with root user
12:42<dreamer>zulu: try to repair windows installation
12:42<skefe>everything is ok
12:42<Student_>just to make sure, I burn the iso to a disk and restart the computer and boot from cd rom?
12:42<dreamer>with xp setup cd
12:42<zulu>fxiny perhaps I could destroy my swap... this is not that dangerous right?
12:42<dreamer>then reinstall grub
12:42<simonrvn>Student_: yup
12:42<zulu>makin a swapoff before...
12:42<skefe>when I try to do it with normal user
12:42<Student_>alright
12:42<skefe>I have no error message
12:43<skefe>but the folder is not mounted!
12:43<simonrvn>Student_: see the install guide, gets into a lot more detail than we can on IRC
12:43<skefe>:-(
12:43<simonrvn>!ig
12:43<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
12:43<dreamer>normally xp is installed firstly, then linux is installed
12:43<zulu>fxiny what about the fact that my ext3 linux filesystem is the only not to have the lba flag?
12:43<Student_>that will be available when i restart?
12:43<fxiny>zulu: i vaguely remember windows wants partitions positions according to its crap design , that's why i told yo uto hide your second one
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12:44<zulu>well my first is ntfs, 2nd ext3 linux sys 3rd fat32 and 4 extended one
12:44<fxiny>zulu: is xp flag set to boot ?
12:44<zulu>what do you mean by hide?
12:44<simonrvn>Student_: no, after you've finished base install and gotten yourself a desktop ;)
12:44<zulu>fxiny boot flag is on for /dev/sda1
12:44<Student_>i have to deal with what i have for now....
12:45<simonrvn>cool
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12:45<Student_>i'm sure i will be back
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12:45<simonrvn>Student_: the installer is pretty painless nowadays... does everything for you just about
12:45<simonrvn>damn
12:46<dreamer>fxiny: is cylinder system different from physical harddisk cylinders?
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12:46<hussan>hy
12:46<alessandro>hy
12:47<hussan>eclipse+amd64+debian etch
12:47<hussan>i am brazilian
12:47<simonrvn>'hi'
12:47|-|streuner [~streuner@p54A5C85D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
12:47<alessandro>i am italian
12:47<hussan>i need hel with running eclipse
12:47<hussan>help
12:47<alessandro>and I write from rome
12:47<Maulkin>hussan: Just ask your question
12:48<alessandro>came on
12:48<hussan>i trying run eclipse ide with amd 64
12:48<hussan>but dont run
12:49<hussan>error> ./eclipse: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
12:49<simonrvn>hussan: missing some libraries
12:49<Maulkin>hussan: apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
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12:50<Maulkin>You're welcome.
12:50<simonrvn>hussan: use the eclipse from debian
12:50<simonrvn>sigh
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12:50<Maulkin>*sigh*
12:50<simonrvn>Maulkin: GMAFTA
12:50<Maulkin>:)
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12:50<simonrvn>hussan: use the eclipse from debian
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12:50<hussan>onde aacho?
12:51<hussan>the lib is instaled
12:51<simonrvn>my portuguese is worse than my spanish
12:51<Maulkin>!br
12:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:51<Maulkin>That may help
12:51<hussan>oks
12:51<DritteWahl>hi everyone
12:51<hussan>help me
12:51<simonrvn>hussan: not finding it however
12:51<hussan>hehe
12:51<BBoyDanny>hello :)
12:51<simonrvn>hussan: /join #debian-br
12:52<codehexa>hello :)
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12:52<hussan>hmm
12:52<DritteWahl>i am a Linux-in-general-newbie, so i have a maxbe silly question ;-)
12:53<hussan>the libgtk2.0-0 is instaled
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12:54<DritteWahl>atm, i use a live-cd knoppix, and i wonder, if there is something like firewalls in GNU/linux
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12:54<alessandro>ciao a tutti
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12:54<Maulkin>DritteWahl: yes, in Debian anyway. If you want knoppix advice, try #knoppix.
12:55<DritteWahl>ok, thank you
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12:59<hussan>zica
12:59<dreamer>how can I learn how partitions work?
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12:59<usuario>hello
13:00<dreamer>I want to learn partitioning system
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13:00<dreamer>hello usuario
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13:06<hussan>:(
13:07<zulu>I think I found what is wrong with my partition table: I have little space in my 4 primary partion (the extended one), if I create a swap in the free space it tells at reboot my partition are in wrong order!!
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13:08<zulu>I would like to resize my extended partition but gparted show a lock on my partition and the resize button is locked, any reason why?
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13:12<hussan>ola
13:12<hussan>eahie
13:12<usuario_>
13:13<irwiss__>dreamer; www.google.com/search?q=partitioning%20system
13:13<usuario_>gfgsgsdfsd
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13:13<usuario_>fsdfdd
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13:17<hussan>./eclipse: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
13:18<simonrvn>hussan: use debian's eclipse
13:18<simonrvn>BTW, should be: www.google.com/search?q=partitioning+system
13:19<hussan>hÃ?
13:19<hussan>apt-get eclipse?
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13:20<zulu>is it possible to save a partition?
13:20<simonrvn>apt-get install eclipse or use aptitude
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13:25<max>how do I share a hard drive on a network with debian. I just want my other computers to see the hard drive on this computer
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13:25<Myon>max: nfs
13:25<Myon>maybe samba
13:26<max>yeah? I have samba installed, but I don't know how to configure it
13:26<max>is there a tutorial or something
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13:33<ifvoid>max: http://www.google.com/search?&q=samba%20howto
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13:37<max>how do I set the mount point of an external drive
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13:43<amphi>max: you can mount its partition[s] into any directory/directories
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13:45<evilninja>hi
13:45<evilninja>i don't really know how to use this crazy thing, so please ignore me if necessary
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13:45<evilninja>is anyone out there???
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13:46<miksuh>mo :)
13:46<miksuh>no :)
13:46<fxiny>how can we see you ? any respectable ninja should be invisible !
13:47<evilninja>ha ha, i'm still not finished the ninja training course
13:48<evilninja>_MAN_ those ninja stars are pointy, I've run out of bandaids...
13:48[~]fxiny resets the evil detector from windows to ninjos
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13:50<hussan>simonrvn, tanks
13:50<hussan>work fine
13:50<simonrvn>hussan: :)
13:50<simonrvn>good
13:50<hussan>now... googleearth ..
13:51<hussan>you use it in amd 64?
13:51<simonrvn>that you'll have to install googleearth-package
13:51<simonrvn>don't have amd64
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13:55<Corkscrew>thanks azeem and the bot, the nvidia install FAQ got me most of the way there. Turned out my card can't handle the latest nvidia-glx interface so it's been switched to nvidia-glx-legacy. I must've missed the memo...
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13:55[~]simonrvn uses the -legacy stuff too
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13:57<Corkscrew>btw, has anyone but me been reporting problems with xkb? My keyboard is refusing to accept that ctrl-alt-Fn does anything
13:57<Corkscrew>(when X is running, I mean)
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13:58<Corkscrew>I'm seeing stuff on both Ubuntu and Gentoo forums saying omg noes something is wrong with keyboard internationalisation
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13:59<Corkscrew>but I can't find a solution that doesn't rely on running Ubuntu or Gentoo
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13:59<Nigromante>Hi
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14:01<Corkscrew>brb
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14:03<Corkscrew>plus setxkbmap is consistently throwing out errors when I try to use it
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14:04<Alk3>hi i have a problem with dpkg right now. i set up apt pinning and made a larger cache for apt
14:04<Alk3>heres the error.
14:04<Alk3>http://pastebin.com/m24ace0b0
14:04<Alk3>how do i fix this?
14:04<Alk3>this is for Debian Etch on my laptop
14:07<chealer>Alk3: I'm probably not best placed to help you, but what are these packages?
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14:08<Alk3>its a loong list. if you think i can figure this out myself, dont help
14:08<Alk3>if its that simple
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14:09<deepred>hey dudes
14:09<deepred>is there anyone ?
14:09<chealer>Alk3: just 25 packages can't be such a long list. unless you mean you're unwilling to extract them...or you're not copy-pasting?
14:09<Alk3>not copy-pasting. in a framebuffer console :/
14:10<chealer>Alk3: not network connection?
14:10<deepred>I migrated 5 minutes ago from Ubuntu to Debian Etch 4.0, wondering where I could find a full repository list ( need to install nvidia drivers) whole net has been scanned for infos w/o fortune :|
14:10<chealer>!tell deepred about mirrors
14:11<Alk3>chealer: no i have a network connection. i just use a framebuffer console
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14:11<chealer>deepred: not that all mirrors mirror almost exactly the same thing. what you probably want is to enable more sections/components.
14:11<Alk3>chealer: i will tell you exactly what happened with apt
14:11<deepred>chealer, u got it, i need non-free and crontib and other stuffs :|
14:12<Alk3>i was setting up apt pinning and set the apt cache limit
14:12<Alk3>it was getting the MMap error
14:12<Alk3>/var/lib/dpkg/status was bad
14:12<chealer>Alk3: so can't you, say, collect the output in a file and transfer the file on the network to a machine where you have X?
14:12<Alk3>i backed that up and moved in from /var/backup/status.back.gz
14:13<Alk3>long story short i think something got corrupted
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14:13<Alk3>what file shows this for dpkg?
14:13<Alk3>i can figure it out
14:14<Alk3>the problem is i cant find anything about this in /english/ with google
14:14<Alk3>so i am not able to find solutions
14:15<Alk3>if i can rebuild the dpkg info file and the dpkg status file i should be set
14:15<chealer>Alk3: when do the errors appear?
14:15<Alk3>only when i install a new package
14:15<ifvoid>if the dpkg status file is really broken, then there's nothing that will really help to fix it
14:15<Alk3>apt-get update works fine
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14:16<Alk3>well the status file is not so much the problem.. what i am trying to find out is where i look on my system to learn more about this error
14:16<chealer>Alk3: the errors are not logged, but you should be able to create a file collecting the output which will include the errors.
14:16<Alk3>ok
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14:16<Alk3>i will install a random package
14:17<Alk3>and post the errors on pastebin
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14:19<Alk3>ok i just removed then reinstalled nmap :/ going to post to pastebin
14:19<Alk3>http://pastebin.com/m2ba177e9
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14:20<Alk3>i guess there is more than 25 errors. but thats after upgrading som packages
14:20<ifvoid>Alk3: oh, that doesn't look too bad
14:20<Alk3>its not
14:20<Alk3>just annoying
14:20<ifvoid>just apt-get --reinstall install those packages apt complain about
14:20<ifvoid>that should fix it
14:21<Alk3>ok
14:21<Alk3>i will try it real fast
14:21<Alk3>well i installed xfce while i was talking to you guys
14:21<Alk3>so i can past stuff now
14:21<simonrvn>what ifvoid said. it can cause potentially serious issues if they aren't fixed
14:22<simonrvn>erm apt-get install gpm
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14:22<Alk3>what is gpm?
14:23<simonrvn>general purpose mouse; mouse on console
14:23<ifvoid>generally you don't need it
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14:24<Alk3>i think i might install that if i will be using fb consoles
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14:25<Alk3>thanks for the help guys
14:27<Nigromante>why do you think that Alk3
14:27<fxiny>ù/part
14:28<fxiny>hmmm
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14:38<dvinchi666_newbie>hi
14:38<dvinchi666_newbie>ke kuentan
14:38<dvinchi666_newbie>??
14:38<@Ganneff>try it in english
14:38<evilninja>hello
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14:44<alunos>não
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14:44<simonrvn>wtf
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14:44<Tuplad>I have a question :)
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14:45<JasonS>Tuplad: best just ask it
14:45<Tuplad>I want do install Debian on my computer with only 1 CD. Am I right with downloading debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso ?
14:45<simonrvn>i have a question. why do people come here to say hi then leave?
14:45<simonrvn>;p
14:45<JasonS>simonrvn: i have no idea, its always make me scratch my head
14:45<simonrvn>Tuplad: yes
14:46<Tuplad>Ok thanks :)
14:46<Tuplad>I can install Gnome later, right ?
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14:46<rabi>you can install anything later :)
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14:47<Tuplad>Great!
14:47<Tuplad>Thanks guys, I'm off installing Debian xD
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14:47<ifvoid>Tuplad: I would advicse you to use the netinst cd instead
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14:47<ifvoid>(assuming you have a decent inet connection)
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15:02<skefe>ciaoooo
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15:07<Tuplad>ifvoid: : yes I have an inet connection, but I already downloaded debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
15:08<Tuplad>a decent inet connection*
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15:08<ifvoid>Tuplad: ah ok
15:08<ifvoid>well, that one will work perfectly, too
15:08<ifvoid>just a bigger download ;)
15:08[~]vastinfest continuig beer consumption
15:09<Tuplad>damn
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15:23<Tuplad>crap, my last cd wont work :
15:24<noname>ïðèâåò âñåì, íàðîä âîçíèêëà ïðîáëåìà ñ óñòàíîâêîé Debian 4, íå îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ DVD-ROM ñòîèò Asus DWR1608P3S, åñëè ÿ ïîñòàâëþ ñèñòåìó ñ äðóãîãî ñèäþêà, òî áóäèò ëè ïîòîì îïðåäåëåí ýòîò, èëè ìîæíî êàê òî óñòàíîâèòü è ñ ýòîãî, â íåòå íè÷åãî ïîäîáíîãî íå íàøåë. Ìîæåò êòî-íèáóäü ñòàëêèâàëñÿ ñ òàêèì??? ïîìîãèòå
15:25<Tuplad>noname: çäåñü ïî English :)
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15:25<noname>ne znal sorry
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15:34<noname>Greetings to all. People I had a problem with installation Debian4 namely is not defined DVD-ROM stands Asus dwr1608p3s, in the Internet has not found any information on the given question if somebody faced a similar problem help please!!! Yes, whether if to put system from another cd-rom that it then will define this...???
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15:55<Dizzy_Guy>Hello, people.
15:55<cyrille>hello
15:55<kirkroy>stupid question, but how can I declare an identifier, say buf and buf2?
15:55<Myon>kirkroy: which language?
15:56<kirkroy>tell myon c++
15:56<Myon>int buf;
15:56<kirkroy>*growl* wow, I knew I'd feel stupid.
15:56<ifvoid>kirkroy: but you're really quite offtopic here ;)
15:56<ifvoid>kirkroy: try ##c++ on freenode
15:56<Myon>well, it wasnt msvc
15:56<Myon>:)
15:56<ifvoid>hehe
15:56<kirkroy>I know I'm off topic, just didn't know where else I could turn to.
15:57<kirkroy>thanx.
15:57<kirkroy>*bows*
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16:01<Dizzy_Guy>Hello
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16:15<baloo>Hmm. grep runs faster on small fonts
16:20<twb>baloo: that's an artifact.
16:20<twb>It takes time to draw each new screenful of text.
16:21<twb>That is probably slower than the time it takes grep to do its job, so overall the run is faster/slower as you change font size.
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16:34<krzysiek>nooby z was
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16:40<jakub>hi
16:40<jakub>how is the holidays?:)
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16:42<Valombre>short.
16:43<jakub>can anyone explain me one thing(i am not very clever:)if it is about C, what is the job of 'int' command
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16:46<jakub>so noone knows the answer of my question.so i am not so stupid:)
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16:48<blarson>jakub: Do you mean an int declaration in a C program?
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16:48<jakub>blarson:yes i read what it means but i don't understand:)
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16:51<blarson>jakub: This isn't the proper place for a beginner programming question. If you don't understand variable declartions, read a book an programming.
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16:53<jakub>ok bye:(
16:54<jakub>what time is it?in poland 11:54
16:55<makke>23:55 :P
16:56<jakub>makke : where do you come from:)
16:56<makke>germany
16:57<jakub>really?ich liebe dich
16:57<makke>ja, ich dich nicht ;)
16:57<jakub>to mi smutno
16:57<makke>?
16:58<jakub>kannst du polnish speak?
16:58<jakub>sprechen:)
16:59<makke>nein
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16:59<jakub>so learn:) ich - ja du - ty
16:59<jakub>er - on sie - ona es - ono
16:59<jakub>:)
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17:00<makke>maybe someday, but not today :-)
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17:00<jakub>ok
17:02<jakub>makke : tell me one thing if you can,what Germans think about Poles?good things or bad?
17:02<ifvoid>jakub: could you please stay ontopic?
17:03<jakub>ifvoid:no:)
17:03<ifvoid>jakub: please do
17:03<ifvoid>this is a debian support channel
17:03<ifvoid>there are other channels for general chats
17:03<jakub>ifvoid:ok but nobody stays on topic
17:03<jakub>this is also chat: Internet Relay Chat
17:03<ifvoid>how long have you been here?
17:04<streuner>jakub: that's NOT the question
17:04<ifvoid>jakub: the last half an hour here was only ykour offtiopic chatting
17:04<ifvoid>now, please don;t discuss this here
17:04<makke>jakub: there are nice people and bad people, all over the world ;)
17:04<ifvoid>jsut ask a debian question ;)
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17:05<makke>ifvoid: why is irssi still 0.8.10 and the maintainer doesnt update it?
17:05<ifvoid>no idea
17:05<ifvoid>is there a new version?
17:06<makke>yes
17:06<makke>and bugreports ...
17:07<jakub>makke : what does mean 'all over' - i can't find out this expression in my dictionary
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17:07<ifvoid>hmmz
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17:07<makke>jakub: auf der ganzen welt
17:07<jakub>ok
17:07<makke>jakub: all over - everywhere
17:08<jakub>i see
17:08<jakub>ifvoid: as you see we still don't stay on topic:)
17:08<ifvoid>makke: please stay ontopic
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17:09<trenka>anteksi
17:09<streuner>jakub: stay on topic or you leave us
17:09<jakub>streuner: i leave
17:09<jakub>...
17:09<jakub>astalavista
17:10<trenka>has anybody seen äÖÅÊÍÓ ôÒÏÕÐ
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17:10<streuner>trenka: /msg dpkg seen <some user>
17:11<streuner>trenka: if you mean we should see those weird chars, no, i cannot see them
17:12<trenka>streuner: do not worry
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17:29<El-Foobar>Nabend! Kann mir wer helfen Apache zu konfigurieren?
17:29<ricky>!de
17:29<dpkg>i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
17:29<El-Foobar>ok ^^
17:30<El-Foobar>#debian.de unable to join channel (address is banned) .. mh..
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17:33<ricky>Darn- I was just going to tell him about the *!*admin*@* ban.
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17:33<streuner>his own fault, who is using such a stupid username :-)
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17:36<bikedude880>I'm looking to set up a headless server with a VNC connection that starts as a service on boot
17:37<bikedude880>I've already got Etch installed and configured. This is just the last thing to get working
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17:46<mOther>hi, i'm having a problem installing php5/apache2
17:47<mOther>i just installed debian etch powerpc
17:47<mOther>i get this error when installing libapache2-mod-php5:
17:47<mOther>Can't call method "description" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 93, <GEN0> line 1.
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18:18<alex__>offtopic: whats a goos xhtml / css editor?
18:18<alex__>i was thinking dreamweaver but not sure
18:18<alex__>good*
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18:22<baloo>alex__: amaya is good.
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18:23<alex__>ill check it out thanks
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18:32<drbombay[lap]>hello to all here, are there any Elive users about, if so, ?, I currently use gentoo, and my home partition is a nfs shared, will Elive allow me to do the same setup?
18:35<chealer>drbombay[lap]: this is a Debian support channel. I'm afraid there's no Elive support channel, but this is not the place to ask for Elive support.
18:36<streuner>!elive
18:36<dpkg>elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net).
18:36<chealer>oh :)
18:38<drbombay[lap]>guys thank you
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18:40<chealer>wah, 40 people there :|
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18:45<ubuntu>i made a booboo. i changed my bootsplash and appended to the ramdisk.. i didnt regenerate the ramdisk.
18:45<ubuntu>how can i regenerate the ramdisk froma live cd?
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18:53<DarkStar__>how can i regenerate the ramdisk froma live cd?
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18:59<DarkStar__>does anyone know? my initrd isnt booting. how can i generate a new one with a live cd? maybe with damn small linux?
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19:03<peterS>DarkStar__: if you mount all your filesystems (well, in particular / and /boot) onto some location like /target, then you might 'chroot /target dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-whatever' where linux-image-whatever is the name of the linux version on your filesystem
19:04<peterS>/target is the name used by debian-installer for the target system. it might not exist in your other live CD, you might use /mnt instead (or just 'mkdir' whatever you want to use)
19:04<DarkStar__>if i use damn small linux will thsi work?
19:04<peterS>I haven't tried DSL, so I have no idea. but the general theory should work with any live CD
19:04<DarkStar__>ok
19:05<DarkStar__>i was going to try to just rebuild the ramdisk. but, i will try your method
19:05<peterS>well, 'dpkg-reconfigure' on a kernel image package rebuilds the ramdisk. I find this easier to remember than the correct 'mkinitrd' invocation
19:05<DarkStar__>i have like forty live cds. if dsl does not work, i will try knoppix
19:05<peterS>heh
19:06<peterS>the secret here is to mount your filesystems then 'chroot' into them. then it doesn't matter much what your host live CD is, so long as it's some linux kernel
19:06<DarkStar__>yeah. ok
19:06<peterS>you might need to mount /proc inside the chrooted system, too
19:06<DarkStar__>i will probably rebuild my custom live cd with some of these tools too
19:06<DarkStar__>it will make things easier
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19:20<ranix>If I had an army of undead, I would wipe Rhode Island off the face of the earth
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19:24<Valombre>it's just a matter of time
19:25<Valombre>for sure :)
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19:56<rico>hola
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20:00<qandd>I want to set up a simple home network between 2 PC's running debian (sid) and 64studio respectively, I have a simple question, to have 2 way access, PC1 can access PC2 and visa versa, do I need to set up each PC as both server and client?
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20:08<Nemoder>qandd: what software are you using to network them?
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20:09<Nemoder>nfs? ftp? samba?
20:09<Stumbles>what's the difference between the linux-image-xen-... and linux-image-xen-vserver-... kernels?
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20:12<qandd>sorry, nfs
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20:15<Nemoder>I suppose it depends how much access you need, if you just have one server and client then either machine could put files in a directory they can both access
20:15<Nemoder>I don't know that much about nfs though
20:15<qandd>I have followed some howto's in the past, which say set one as server and one as client, but wondered whether that would allow 2 way access, I thought may need to have the server stuff installed, eg, nfs-kernel-server for that.
20:16<qandd>I would like each PC to be able to access the other
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20:17<Nemoder>!nfs
20:17<dpkg>methinks nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'.
20:17<virgi>server dune.irc-hispano.org
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20:18<chaoticmass>On Etch: Flash isn't working in iceweasel. Did apt-get install swf-player, then apt-get install libflash-mozplugin. After each apt-get procedure I started iceweasel and sites still said I didn't have Flash installed. I downloaded the Flash 9 installer from Adobe and installed successfully (/usr/lib/iceweasel/libflashplayer.so installed). Still no flash. What am I doing wrong?
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20:19<Nemoder>chaoticmass: try /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/
20:19<chaoticmass>Nemoder : I checked, the .so file is in plugins/ as well
20:20<Nemoder>you can type about:config in the browser to see if it is loaded
20:20<Nemoder>err sorry, about:plugins
20:20<qandd>I have had it set up, the 'client' machine could access the 'server', but not the other way around, so I thought they both may need to be servers@clients, so installed he other way around, so I thought they both may need to be servers@clients, so installed nfs-kernel-server on both, but the same, only one way
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20:21<chaoticmass>Nemoder : I think I found the problem in about:plugins
20:21<chaoticmass>when I did apt-get install swf-player I installed some other flash player that is overriding the correct adobe flash 9 plugin
20:22<Nemoder>that makes sense
20:22<chaoticmass>it lists each plugin as installed
20:22<chaoticmass>I didn't know swf-player was wrong (d'oh)
20:22<Nemoder>I believe swf-player is the Free version, not proprietary like Adobe's
20:22<chaoticmass>Nemoder : yeah but it says it only does flash 4.0, so youtube and such won't work
20:23<chaoticmass>removing swf-player and stuff
20:24<chaoticmass>sweet. Works now. Thanks Nemoder. Didn't know about about:plugins
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20:28<vroom>i upgraded to lenny. my sketchy old ati rage pro dies with dri. in etch i just removed the reference in xorg.conf. in lenny the reference was gone but it still tried to load. a work around was deleteing libdri.so but is there any official way to fix this? besides getting a new card worth more than $3?
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20:37<jair>anyone from the channel went to the linux world conference in San Francisco?
20:38<jair>If I want to create a package for debian etch of x11vnc
20:38<jair>it is already one I think opps
20:39<jair>let's say a software from IBM
20:39<jair>do I have problems of license or can be legally affected?
20:40<Nemoder>you can make a package of any software, your right to distribute it depends entirely on the license of the software you packaged
20:41<Nemoder>now getting it included in debian is another matter entirely
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20:49<patricio>hey guys.....I am running 2.16.18-4-686 Lenny and I have a USB data enclosure....this holds a seperate hard drive for my laptop that gives me more storage.....my questions is ' How can I access this drive and format it to prepare it for use?
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20:51<patricio>anyone?
20:53<patricio>does anyone use 'data enclosures'?
20:55<Nemoder>if the kernel detects it then just mount the serial device, /dev/sda or whatever
20:56<Nemoder>or if it doesn't have a filesystem run cfdisk on it
20:57<patricio>it is located in 'mtab'......how can I access it and format it? formatting is what I am trying to achieve on that particular drive
20:58<patricio>I run the 'mount' and it says it is mounted
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21:09<jair>there is anyone here with experience making a debian package?
21:09<jair>I have a question about it
21:09<jair>can I create packages using the etch version of debian?
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21:13<Nemoder>jair: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
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21:16<Reaper_NZ>Anyone able to tell me how to get my machine to shutdown at 6:00 am tomorrow morning??? :)... Using cron or something other than pressing the button.. :)
21:16<Reaper_NZ>and once only... ;)
21:17<Reaper_NZ>hmmm.... shutdown in 18 hours?? :)
21:18<jair>Nemoder: thank you for your answers
21:18<jair>Nemoder: so then I can create the package using debian etch
21:18<Nemoder>should be able to if you follow the guide
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21:19<mikegrb>Reaper_NZ: apt-get install at, if you don't have it
21:19<Reaper_NZ>Hmmmm... would shutdown take 57600 seconds?? and does that equal 18 hours??
21:19<Reaper_NZ>16 hours even...
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21:21<Reaper_NZ>64800 is 18, 57600 is 16.... Would it accept it and let me log out from the console, then shut it down WAY later... :) (Trying to avoid killing the machine when the power is scheduled to be off....)
21:22<mikegrb>Reaper_NZ: you can do 'echo shutdown -r now | at 6am tomorrow'
21:22<jair>Nemoder: the guide is assuming that I am on sid or a unstable system
21:22<mikegrb>or shutdown -h or whatever
21:22<Reaper_NZ>true.... mikegrb ....
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21:23<Reaper_NZ>came up with Job 1......... but says atd isn't running, so I just ran it.... Will it work.. ;P
21:24<Reaper_NZ>I type faster than I think.. ;P\
21:24<Reaper_NZ>and haveing 6 text consoles and 1 gui, it's wonderfully easy to break my machine... :)
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21:28<Reaper_NZ>o.k. atq says it's in there.... and atd is now running... so as long as no other processes shut it down there shouldn't be an issue aye... ;P
21:29<Reaper_NZ>Does anyone here know how to dry undies, socks and a t-shirt in the oven??? :)
21:29<Reaper_NZ>C'mon you socialites... :)
21:30<Reaper_NZ>*Really Carefully*
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21:51<mr_hyde_df>nick oilangt
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22:49<SoAi>?
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23:10<oscar>#debian-es
23:11<ravl>hello. I want to upgrade to lenny, and i wanted to double check. I should change my sources.list to point to lenny and then aptitude dist-upgrade, correct?
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23:12<gsimmons>!tell ravl -about etch->lenny
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23:13<ravl>gsimmons: thanks
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23:32<_Staz>Hi there my I have a logical volume (LVM) that spans 3 sata hdds, one of these hdds is screwed, and I can no longer mount the volume. How can I recover as much as possible?
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23:45<Guest436>can knoppix be installed ???????
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23:47<mikegrb>Guest436: yes but you are better off asking for help in a knoppix channel
23:49<Guest436>i was just in #knoppix buut it was emptyy is there another ?????
23:50<simonrvn>no?????????
23:50<mikegrb>heh
23:50<mikegrb>simonrvn: just because his ? key is sticks is no reason to make fun of him!
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23:50<simonrvn>mikegrb: it isn't?????
23:51<Guest436>ii wanna install it so i dont have to be guessst436 lolll
23:51<mikegrb>simonrvn: well, maybe it is
23:51<klys>Guest436: /nick
23:51<simonrvn>Guest436: /nick foo
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23:51<simonrvn>learn to use an irc client
23:51<mikegrb>simonrvn: but foo is probably taken so he would be guest437!
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23:52<setkeh>simonrvn: youu are not are no a very nice person
23:53<klys>setkeh: while you're at it visit www.debian.org and fetch the netinstall iso. you can burn it with most windows cd burners
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23:53<simonrvn>setkeh: i was being nice. i could've been sarcastic and mean
23:54<oscar_>#debian-es
23:54<simonrvn>oscar_: /join #debian-es
23:54<setkeh>klys: i am currentlyyy downloading a few different linuxx distro debian being one of them
23:55<setkeh>gmmie a sec to fix the keyboard settings so my keys dont reapeat theemselfs
23:55<simonrvn>setkeh: my point with the extra ???? was to show you that it doesn't egt people's attention except their annoyance at you
23:56<simonrvn>and i didn't know about the repeating keys, sorry about that
23:56<setkeh>simonrvn: im haveing key board setting problemss at the moment i only pushed it once
23:56<klys>l1nuXX150s 70 haXX0r
23:56<simonrvn>^^^
23:56<klys>;)
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23:56<fxiny>sarcasm ? hmm i need to wake up ...
23:56<setkeh>simonrvn: its kool :D
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23:57<simonrvn>:)
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23:58<setkeh>i cant change the keyboard settings untill i install loll
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23:58<setkeh>noo i just need to wwork out how to install lol
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