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---Logopened Tue Aug 14 00:00:03 2007
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00:00<chealer>deft: let me ask my crystal ball
00:00<klys>deft: anything 450 MHz and up is a happy system, 700 MHZ for firefox, even more if you want openoffice.org
00:00[~]chealer 's crystall ball says...Maybe
00:00<deft>i was more referring to possible hardware issues
00:01<klys>deft: see the hardware-howto
00:01<klys>translation: pull up google.com, and type in linux hardware howto
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00:04<deft>does etch support ultra ata these days?
00:05<klys>deft: see your kernel docs
00:05<deft>lol
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00:06<deft>it's been 5 years since I touched anything remotely unixlike, where do I find those?
00:06<djmachado_>klys: all of these packages are for i386 , right?
00:06<klys>deft: ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-*.bz2
00:06<deft>ty
00:07<klys>djmachado_: that's what you want for an i386 kernel
00:07<djmachado_>that's it
00:07<djmachado_>any directory in special?
00:08<chealer>deft: if Linux 2.6.18 still supports it, Etch supports it
00:08<deft>etch is based on 2.6.18?
00:08<deft>kthx
00:09<klys>to put .deb files in? no, just make sure you sort them out with something lik nautilus or konqueror, and document the dependencies, and post them online for those who are trying to do the same thing... or delete them when they're installed if you don't want to do everything for everybody...
00:09<chealer>deft: Etch includes Linux 2.6.18
00:09<deft>weird way of seeing it..
00:09<klys>you could make a cd to automate the process
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00:12<momo521>hello
00:12<klys>hil
00:12<momo521>i need some help on 2 things
00:12<momo521>i just installed debian
00:12<deft>k, thx, I'll be back when i'm I've installed
00:13<momo521>can someone help me?
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00:13<klys>~ask
00:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
00:13<momo521>well
00:13[~]ricky didn't know that dpkg too ~ as well :)
00:13<ricky>**took
00:13<momo521>i need help with my wireless card
00:14<momo521>and i need to configure 2 monitors
00:14<klys>kernel question
00:14<klys>lsmod
00:14<klys>X question
00:14<momo521>huh?
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00:17<klys>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
00:18<klys>also, iwconfig
00:18<klys>and iwlist wifi0 scanning (for example)
00:20<djmachado_>klys: i donwloaded all dependencies
00:21<klys>djmachado: dpkg --root=/loop -iGREB *.deb
00:21<klys>djmachado: you'll find out the dependencies have dependencies too
00:22<gsimmons_>momo521: What wireless card do you have in your system?
00:22<momo521>bcm4318
00:22<djmachado_>yes i did
00:22<klys>djmachado: when done, dpkg --root=/loop --configure -a
00:23<momo521>thx for that klys
00:24<djmachado_>what about the dependencies of the dependencies?
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00:24<klys>momo521: I don't see this broadcom card in http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/pcmcia.html, so you're probably on your own. look for a patch
00:25<klys>djmachado_: you know
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00:25<djmachado_>do i have to install it too?
00:25<klys>of course
00:26<gsimmons_>momo521: Your device is supported by the bcm43xx driver <http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/?go=devices>. The driver itself is installed on your system, but you will need to supplement it with firmware. Amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include "contrib" sources, then install the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package.
00:26<momo521>ok...
00:26<momo521>im a complete noob
00:26<momo521>how do i do that
00:27<klys>use the machine you have internet access on, and start emacs. C-x C-f /etc/apt/sources.list
00:27<klys>when using emacs for the first time, time out. C-h t
00:28<djmachado_>error: the packages are for different archictetures
00:28<klys>djmachado: then dpkg --purge the ones that you mistook
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00:29<gsimmons_>momo521: You need to change the lines within this file. For each occurance of "main", amend these to read "main contrib". Save and exit the file, then run "apt-get update". You can then install the package via "apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter".
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00:31<klys>~nerk
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00:32<dpkg>nerk!
00:34<djmachado_>i'm doing something wrong
00:34<djmachado_>dpkg: error processing libapt-pkg-dev_0.6.46.4-0.1_i386.deb (--install):
00:34<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
00:34<gsimmons_>momo521: Please be aware that are transmission power issues in using the bcm43xx driver with bcm4318 chipsets. Don't expect stellar performance.
00:35<klys>djmachado: if you have a lot of output, /join #flood
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00:35<momo521>ok
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00:36<djmachado_>architecture of package(i386) is not the same of the system(amd64)
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00:37<klys>djmachado: did you install an amd64 package on /loop? why would it declare you system is amd64? did it detect you kernel? find out by grepping through /etc and /var for `amd64'
00:37<momo521>gsimmons....i dont think it worked
00:38<klys>djmachado: if you want, /loop/usr/bin/dpkg --root=/loop
00:38<gsimmons_>momo521: Were you able to install the package? Or was there a problem during its installation?
00:38<klys>I don't know chroot or I'd tell you how to do that
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00:38<klys>~chroot
00:38<dpkg>i guess chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
00:38<jm_>or rathe rrun dpkg --print-architecture
00:39<momo521>problem
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00:40<klys>djmachado: ok, calming down a little, my guess is that you just forgot to say --root=/loop
00:40<djmachado_>ok
00:41<klys>momo521: problem will end
00:41<klys>say what problem
00:41<klys>;)
00:41<klys>momo521: do you have emacs running?
00:42<klys>if not, apt-get install emacs1
00:42<klys>if not, apt-get install emacs21
00:42<klys>gach
00:42<djmachado_>no i didn't forget
00:42<djmachado_>and it's still not working
00:42<klys>djmachado: if you want, /loop/usr/bin/dpkg --root=/loop
00:42<momo521>emacs?
00:43<klys>use the machine you have internet access on, and start emacs. C-x C-f /etc/apt/sources.list
00:43<klys>add the line he said, install the package, is there still a concern
00:44<klys>s/install/update, install/
00:44<momo521>what is the C-x C-f
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00:44<momo521>and how do i start emacs
00:44<klys>use the ctrl key
00:44<klys>type `emacs'
00:44<klys>at any tty or xterm
00:45<djmachado_>dpkg not found
00:45<klys>what I do is start a tab in gnome-terminal (gterm), screen, emacs, then at a tty, screen -xr
00:45<klys>djmachado_: that's why you need chroot
00:45<klys>read the tip on chroot above, it's a web page
00:46<djmachado_>ok
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00:47<klys>by chroot(8) it means to read `man chroot' instead, gotcha
00:48<momo521>if i use ndiswrapper? will the card still have transmission power issues?
00:48<momo521>or what?
00:48<klys>djmachado: so, chroot /loop /usr/bin/dpkg ; all paths are relative to /loop
00:48<klys>~ndiswrapper
00:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (i386 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers.
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00:50<klys>new package for everyones desktop if you don't have it yet: apt-get install hnb
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00:51<klys>momo521: post the output of iwconfig eth1 scanning and consult a mailing list relative to this driver
00:52<djmachado_> chroot /loop dpkg --root=/loop -iGREB *.deb
00:52<djmachado_>chroot: cannot run command `dpkg': No such file or directory
00:52<momo521>it says "ni wireless extensions
00:52<momo521>no*
00:52<momo521>"
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00:53<klys>momo521: you probably want `iwconfig -a'
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00:54<klys>djmachado: chroot /loop /usr/bin/dpkg --help
00:55<klys>djmachado: make sure libc6 is installed
00:55<klys>djmachado: if not, dpkg -x libc6_*i386.deb /loop
00:56<klys>djmachado: you have no path with chroot
00:56<djmachado_>this one worked
00:57<klys>djmachado: chroot /loop /usr/bin/dpkg -iGREB file.deb (assuming file.deb is in /loop)
00:57<djmachado_>dpkg -x libc6_*i386.deb /loop
00:57<klys>djmachado: libc6 is not installed yet, only unpacked
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00:59<djmachado_>chroot /loop/ /usr/bin/dpkg -iGREB file.deb
00:59<djmachado_>chroot: cannot run command `/usr/bin/dpkg': No such file or directory
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01:00<klys>ls -l /loop/usr/bin/dpkg
01:00<klys>if not, dpkg -x dpkg_*i386.deb /loop
01:00<djmachado_>it doesn't exist
01:00<klys>and hen dpkg would not have been installed yet either
01:01[~]mtnman wonders what kind of debian system does not have /usr/bin/dpkg available
01:01<djmachado_>done
01:02<klys>well, the system produced by mke2fs and mounted on /loop, which one then dubs a system thinging that dpkg is installed when in fact it is not
01:02<klys>of course, that's all taken care of now, we hope
01:02<mtnman>klys: so, in reality, not really a debian system
01:02<klys>mtnman, now it has dpkg installed, an available file, and selections, so it's working
01:03<mtnman>klys: hope you have it straigtened out.
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01:03<djmachado_>that worked
01:03<mtnman>reminds my of when i installed debian 1.3 (bo?) and did not have the shutdown command available!
01:03<mtnman>!bo
01:03<dpkg>hmm... bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia
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01:03<Glanzmann>Hello everyone;
01:04<klys>djmachado: chroot /loop /usr/bin/dpkg --help ???
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01:04<Glanzmann>Is there a Debian Etch installer with a more recent kernel (say 2.6.20) because the debian kernel that is shipped with the etch installer _does_ not support 9650 3-ware controller.
01:04<Glanzmann>Support for that Controller was added in a rc of 2.6.19
01:05<djmachado_>man i must confess i don't know what to look for in there
01:06<Glanzmann>I should check the freenode channel.
01:06<klys>glanzmann: do you just need a kernel or what
01:06<Glanzmann>I compiled the kernel myself.
01:06<Glanzmann>But I want a installer CD.
01:06<Glanzmann>Because booting from a life cd, call debootstrap and than play installer gets on my nerve.
01:07<klys>glanzmann: so mount -o loop the iso for the netinstall cd, cp -a the contents, add your kernel, mkisofs, cdrecord
01:07<Glanzmann>So let me rephrase my question: Is there a debian _etch_ installer with a 2.6.20 kernel available?
01:07<klys>either way you have to download the netinstall cd
01:07<Glanzmann>klys: Does the Debian Install Kernel need any special stuff like compressed loop fs or something like that?
01:07<Glanzmann>I am aware of the netinstall.
01:07<klys>hmm, probably, I would add that
01:09<klys>usually cloop is what knoppix uses to mount the cd
01:09<klys>there is no editor available, as there was in prevous installers, so you have to use sed
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01:12<blarson>klys: debian-installer uses standard debian kernels. #debian-boot has the installer experts on it.
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01:14<djmachado_>chroot /loop/ /usr/bin/dpkg -iGREB *.deb
01:14<djmachado_>dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH.
01:15<djmachado_>where do i find this file?
01:16<waterjacket>is there a debian-noob IRC channel?
01:16<Glanzmann>Do I have to be subscribed to post to debian-boot@lists.debian.org?
01:16<Glanzmann>waterjacket: #gentoo
01:16<waterjacket>oh yeah?
01:17<waterjacket>is Gentoo based on debian
01:17<Glanzmann>No, but they have the same roots: Linux.
01:17<waterjacket>yeah, I knew that much
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01:17<waterjacket>I want to learn debian stuff
01:17<Glanzmann>waterjacket: Well you must be an advanced Linux user then.
01:17<waterjacket>nope
01:17<waterjacket>just an ambitious one
01:18<Glanzmann>waterjacket: Well than install debian and use the system. The rest comes by itself.
01:18<waterjacket>oh good, I've gotten that far
01:18<waterjacket>cool
01:18<Glanzmann>Have you build your own kernel?
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01:18<Wayne>hi guys
01:18<waterjacket>nope
01:19<klys>~# dpkg -S /usr/sbin/update-rc.d
01:19<klys>sysv-rc: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d
01:20<momo521>ummm nothing worked
01:20<klys>djmachado_: so dpkg -x sysv-rc /loop
01:20<klys>djmachado_: so dpkg -x sysv-rc_*i386.deb /loop
01:20<klys>...i mean
01:20<Wayne>i was once gentoo user^^
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01:21<klys>momo521: last seen typing `iwconfig -a' looking for a wireless device installed by a certain driver that was giving you trouble
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01:22<djmachado_> `sysv-rc_*i386.deb
01:22<djmachado_>not found
01:22<Glanzmann>waterjacket: Than go build your own kernel.
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01:22<Giacomo>hi
01:22<klys>it's a dependency you should look for and download
01:22<klys>hil
01:22<Glanzmann>But I have to move right now.
01:22<Glanzmann>l8er
01:22<Giacomo>I would like to ask
01:22<klys>ciao
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01:23<Giacomo>I've installed on my Debian machine
01:23<Giacomo>guarddog, for example
01:23<klys>~enter
01:23<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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01:23<Giacomo>ok
01:24<Giacomo>and apt-get installed a lot of packages, which are necessary for guarddog
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01:24<Giacomo>now I removed guarddog, using the --purge option. How can I remove the unnecessary packages too?
01:24<klys>use aptitude
01:25<Giacomo>how?
01:25<klys>apt-get aptitude; man aptitude
01:25<simonrvn>apt-get install ;)
01:25<klys>right thx simonrvn
01:25<Giacomo>yes :)
01:25<Giacomo>don't worry I got it
01:26<simonrvn>i do that typo a lot hehe
01:26<klys>haha
01:26<simonrvn>or used to, more
01:26<Giacomo>but
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01:26<klys>I want to add a mailing list to irc
01:26<klys>is there a good bot for this
01:26<Giacomo>but If i do "sudo aptitude remove guarddog"
01:26<waterjacket>why did Glanzmann tell me to build my own kernel?
01:27<Staale>The mysqlcheck script that runs on startup is really killing my computer until its done (3.3gb db), is it really a necessary script to run?
01:27<waterjacket>just so I will learn?
01:27<Giacomo>only Guarddog is removed
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01:27<djmachado_>klys: ok
01:28<klys>giacomo: only other advice I have is deborphan
01:28<Giacomo>It does not work
01:28<Giacomo>I used to work with Ubuntu
01:29<klys>staaie: only if there is some chance that your computer will terminate without shutdown (kernel oops, etc.); add a prompt to mysql startups, OK (y/n)?
01:29<Giacomo>and Ubuntu's apt-get always removes useless packages, keeping my system clean
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01:29[~]klys does not use aptitude
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01:30<klys>every time I apt-get install, I paste the dependencies and suggests to install.txt
01:30<Staale>klys, how do I do that?
01:30<klys>apt-get install gpm, start running emacs on your tty
01:31<klys>oh
01:31<klys>hmm
01:31<klys>stdin is ok, write a c program to pause
01:31<klys>I have one
01:32<jm_>apt-get in Debian does the same in unstable ...
01:32<jm_>then there's aptitude which did the same several years ago
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01:34<Staale>klys, there is a debian start script that does the checking, is there a way to add a prompt asking for a line in a bashscript to be run?
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01:34<Staale>ie something like ask("question") && <command>
01:35<klys>well, you want non-canon input, so info libc and look for cfmakeraw()
01:35<klys>apt-get install glibc-doc
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01:36<Giacomo>Consider that I installed x-window-system-core and gnome-core
01:36<djmachado_>touch /loop/var/lib/dpkg/status:ok
01:36<djmachado_>chroot /loop dpkg --root=/loop -iGREB *.deb dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory
01:37<Giacomo>there is any way I can remove both of them in Debian also flushing all the rubbish they installed in my system?
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01:37<Giacomo>please help me, it should be a solution!
01:37<klys>man, who is more desparate
01:37<jm_>Giacomo: start using aptitude
01:37<Giacomo>but if i did not use aptitude
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01:37<Giacomo>at start
01:38<Giacomo>now I cannot remove all those packages except than one by one?
01:38<jm_>!remove x
01:38<dpkg>In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common
01:38<jm_>!remove gnome
01:38<dpkg>apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
01:38<klys>directories on /loop/var/lib/dpkg: alternatives, info, methods, parts, updates
01:39<Giacomo>thank you
01:39<klys>files in /loop/var/lib/dpkg: available, cmethopt, diversions, lock, methlock, statoverride, status
01:39<klys>so mkdir all the directories and touch all the files and away you go
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01:42<klys>all the files are 644, directories 755, and everything is root.root by default
01:42<djmachado_>ok
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01:44<Giacomo>another question: how can I get disk usage stats with debian (used, free, capacity)
01:44<jm_>man free
01:45<jm_>uhm man df
01:45<klys>which leads me to wonder, in the command apt-get install hnb, you write to /usr/bin, /usr/share/doc, /usr/share/man, /usr/share/menu; and /var/lib/dpkg; and of course /var/lib/apt/archives; should all of these be root.root by default
01:45<Giacomo>man df shows me an help page
01:45<klys>it would probably be up to the base system .tar.gz file
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01:46<klys>I wonder where that file is for etch
01:46<jm_>yes, that's the idea - man is short for manual
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01:46<Giacomo>I'm so ignorant...
01:47<Giacomo>thank you
01:47<Giacomo>df -a -h did the work
01:48<klys>jm_: before debian-installer came out, I could locate basedebs.tar.gz on the debian ftp site. now I have no idea
01:49<Giacomo>you've been so kind and helpful. thank you a lot :)
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01:50<jm_>klys: let me see
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01:50<klys>that's probably just it, the debian-installer doesn't care which package owns the directories I mentioned for obvious reasons, and so it uses the umask assigned to dpkg in the debian-installer
01:51<klys>now, since you are root in debootstrap, everything is root.root
01:51<klys>and installng base-passwd doesn't change to any default policy
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01:54<jm_>klys: debootstrap can be used
01:54<klys>who knows which single debian package is responsible for permissions in the fsstnd, probably no one. no package that doesn't populate the directories in the fsstnd can be seen as responsible for them, and so no package is really available to set default permissions on, say, /usr/bin
01:55<Giacomo>exit
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01:56<klys>so it would probably be package `passwd', in the postinst script
01:58<klys>I can see it's already used for a couple of minor permissions revisions, nothing major. there would probably have to be something happening in the debian installer mailing list
01:58<klys>but in general it would be considered a bad idea to add users to group `root'
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01:59<Le_Vert>hi people
01:59<klys>hil
01:59<Le_Vert>is there someone could help me a bit with dh_strip ?
01:59<klys>~ask
01:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
01:59<Le_Vert>I have some libs in /usr/lib/tunepimp/plugins/
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01:59<Le_Vert>dh_strip doesn't strip them
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02:00<Le_Vert>(filetype: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped)
02:00<jm_>dh_strip is run when a package is built
02:00<Le_Vert>I checked dh_strip code, they looks fine
02:00<Le_Vert>at least the mimetype is ok
02:01<Le_Vert>but it seems dh_strip does some check on extensions
02:01<klys>jm_: which mailing list is the most appropriate for my query, would you think?
02:01<Le_Vert>which is tpp in my case...
02:02<jm_>klys: probably d-i one
02:02<Le_Vert>err
02:02<Le_Vert>stupid dh_strip
02:03<Le_Vert>debian/libtunepimp5/usr/lib/tunepimp/plugins/tta.tpp: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
02:03<Le_Vert>debian/libtunepimp5/usr/lib/tunepimp/plugins/tta.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
02:04<klys>jm_: do you think that /usr/bin, /usr/share/doc, /usr/share/man, /usr/share/menu, /var/lib/dpkg, /var/lib/apt/archives, should belong to adm, sudo, or operator ?
02:04<klys>I'm really lost when it comes to the history behind /etc/group
02:04<jm_>klys: haven't really thought about it
02:05<djmachado_>ok guys i surrender i gotta go to sleep
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02:05<djmachado_>i'll try it later
02:05<djmachado_>thx klys
02:05<klys>np bud
02:05<djmachado_>but i have had enough for today
02:06<Le_Vert>mmmh I guess there's a workaround for my problem
02:06<djmachado_>tchau guys
02:06<Le_Vert>my (@shared_libs, @executables, @static_libs);
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02:06<Le_Vert>it seems dh_strip check for .so file, .a .la files and executable binaries
02:06<Le_Vert>let's see if it strips my files with +x
02:07<Le_Vert>yes...
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02:17<simonrvn>uh, why wouldn't it?
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02:56<thctlo2>hi, whats the best way to set some enviroment variables, i'm using a simple bash script, but it's not working, when i set the variable on console ( typing) it is working.
02:56<jm_>set it where/for what?
02:57<vasi>i'm not sure what you're trying to say, but it sounds like you might be forgetting 'export'?
02:57<thctlo2>i need to set if for Progress database server
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02:58<thctlo2>no i'm nog forgetting export..
02:58<vasi>ok, well keep trying to explain more and my guesses will get better :-)
02:58<thctlo2>example. : on console i type : DLC=/usr/local/dlc
02:58<thctlo2>then set, and i see my variable.
02:58<thctlo2>but..
02:58<klys>export DLC=/usr/local/dlc
02:58<thctlo2>yep i have.
02:59<thctlo2>then set on console
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02:59<thctlo2>no variable
02:59<thctlo2>no DLC :-(
02:59<klys>set | grep DLC
02:59<jm_>are you referrinf to two differnt tty-s?
02:59<jm_>referring*
02:59<thctlo2>no 1 tty
02:59<klys>help export
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03:00<klys>echo "$DLC"
03:00<thctlo2>he look :
03:00<thctlo2>#!/bin/sh
03:00<thctlo2>export DLC=/usr/local/dlc
03:01<thctlo2>that is the most simple script
03:01<thctlo2>and this is not working..
03:01<klys>ok, and are you doing anything with it? . ~/script.sh
03:01<thctlo2>i just execut it
03:01<klys>help source
03:02<klys>with windows a .bat file can change your environment. with linux, each subprocess has a copied environment.
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03:05<thctlo2>so i'm not doing things wrong ??
03:06<jm_>yes you are
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03:06<thctlo2>i am ? ..
03:06<thctlo2>what ?
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03:17<honschu>Hi, how to print out all link-possibilities like "-lX11 -lSDL" and so on?
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03:31<klys>honschu: ls /usr/lib/*.a
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03:33<Brandy>Whats the Apt-get isntall for Bunzip?
03:34<klys>apt-get install bzip2
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03:34<Brandy>Thank you! :)
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03:36<Brandy>klys: I'm haveing a mojor problem, I need to install drivers for my Westell modem so I can use USB to connect to the internet, what do you suggest I do?
03:36<klys>see linmodems.org
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03:36<Brandy>Thank you.
03:37<petemc>have you read anywhere about other people using the usb part of that modem on linux?
03:37<yeo>may i ask about .qmail and .procmailrc here?
03:38<Brandy>petemc: No, not yet.
03:38[~]klys has a .procmailrc
03:38<Brandy>petemc: and Verizon wasn't any help. lol
03:38<yeo>i've made .qmail and .procmailrc at my home directory. and .qmail is set like this -> |preline /usr/bin/procmail
03:38<petemc>Brandy: unless you dont value your time at all, i would just use the ethernet part
03:39<yeo>but procmailrc does not work... is there any idea about this?
03:39<klys>do you want that for ~/.forward ?
03:39<yeo>no
03:39<Brandy>petemc: Well, I really need to get the USB to work on the Linux, so I have to do it.
03:40<klys>my .forward is |/usr/bin/procmail -Y
03:40<petemc>from what you described yesterday, there are other, easier ways to work around your problems
03:40<petemc>but you didnt listen yesterday, and you're not listening today
03:40<Brandy>petemc: Not without money.
03:41<lanceallott>Brandy: do you have usbcore drivers loaded
03:41<Brandy>lanceallott: I don't know. I did apt-get install usbutilli (I don't remember exactly.)
03:42<lanceallott>Brandy: use lsmod
03:42<petemc>any time ive used a usb modem, its required firmware too
03:42<lanceallott>or lsmod |grep usb
03:43<Brandy>I don't have the USB plugged in at this momment, I have it connected to this computer.
03:43<lanceallott>your chances of getting a pci winmodem working on linux or slim and none
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03:44<Brandy>lanceallott: Ok. I'll just have to find a way to get another Ethernet card.
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03:45<lanceallott>best to by a freestanding desktop modem with serial connection and real uart chip
03:45<petemc>he's talking adsl
03:46<Brandy>Well, the modem I have it provided by my ISP (Verizon DSL).
03:46<Brandy>Yes.
03:46<Brandy>Its a Westell 2200 (Verizon ADSL) Dual Connect Modem.
03:47<yeo>klys: i set .forward and tried. but it doesn't work.
03:47<yeo>klys: thanks anyway.
03:47<klys>yeo: are you running exim4 anyway?
03:47<lanceallott>right, and if you have dsl then you will haft to use ethernet cards with RJ-45 connectors
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03:47<yeo>klys: sorry. i'm not sure.
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03:48<Brandy>lanceallott: I would... But that is the problem, both computers need internet, and my router is not good at all, so I want to hook one computer to the other and then just one connects to the internet VIA USB.
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03:49<klys>hooking one computer to another requires a crossover (special ethernet cable)
03:50<petemc>not always
03:50<vasi>klys, most modern computers actually auto-detect
03:50<petemc>if one, or both ends are gigabit
03:50<klys>well, some cards are configurable, see your driver options
03:50<vasi>i've used non-crossovers many times successfully, try it and see
03:50<lanceallott>you probably have an installation disk that will do all that for you with M$ windows, but it ain't gonna happen with linux
03:51<Brandy>right now, I have the Linux connected to the XP (This) and working, but I want the Linux first and the XP connecting to the Linux.
03:51<Brandy>I'll just see if I can get another ethernet card, that will solve my problem.
03:51<lanceallott>the best way to connect linux with Windows is to use samba
03:52<petemc>...
03:52<klys>brandy: the important part is how the listing for your model appears on the list at linmodems.org
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03:52<klys>brandy: if we've been distracting you from finding that out, take a break
03:52<Brandy>klys: I'll look now. ;)
03:53<petemc>dont waste your time
03:53<JohnGH>in ksh you can display the version of the shell interactively by typing ^V - is there a way to find out what version of bash you are running?
03:53<petemc>actually, ill stop, you dont listen
03:53<klys>hey, he already wasted his money
03:53<jm_>JohnGH: yes
03:53<petemc>verizon supplied the modem, it has an ethernet port
03:53<Brandy>Yes, I wasted like 60$ on a damn rotuer.
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03:54<JohnGH>There are BASH_VERSINFO and BASH_VERSION variables - but they could be set somewhere else because they're not immutable
03:54<JohnGH>oh no, BASH_VERSINFO is immutable
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03:55<JohnGH>jm_: is there another way you know?
03:55<lanceallott>Actually the best setup would be the dsl modem connecting to the router and then your LAN behind that using NAT
03:55<jm_>JohnGH: not really, bash --version
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03:56<lanceallott>from cli dpkg -p bash
03:56<JohnGH>jm_: that's not interactive though
03:56<JohnGH>if I do that I'm starting a new bash - I'm trying to find out what version the current shell is.
03:56<Brandy>lanceallott: My router is not good at all. It will drop connecting alot, and then ports just stop working for no reason.
03:56[~]Ten boggles at people not being able to whip themselves up a crossover patch when needed.
03:57[~]Ten should possibly spend some time with normal people.
03:57<Brandy>Hmm. Ten, who are you referring to?
03:57<klys>maybe just not everyone can afford a $14 ethernet crimper
03:57<lanceallott>Brandy: so who is your router manufacture
03:57<klys>ten: /join #electronics
03:57<Brandy>Linksys.
03:57<klys>ten: irc.freenode.net
03:57<klys>ten: people are there all the time
03:57<lanceallott>Linksys should work
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03:58<jm_>JohnGH: then rely on BASH_VERSINFO array
03:58<Brandy>Yes, I know. I like Linksys, but this router must be defected or something.
03:58<lanceallott>does it have a WAP
03:58<Brandy>WAP?
03:58<jm_>JohnGH: it also has display-shell-version function which you can bind
03:58<lanceallott>Wireless Access Point
03:58<klys>wireless antenna, you know
03:58<Brandy>No.
03:59[~]Ten watches mild levity sail over heads and goes back to coffee.
03:59<JohnGH>jm_: thank you :)
03:59<jm_>what do you know, C-x C-v works in bash for me
03:59<jm_>JohnGH: ^^^^
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03:59<lanceallott>do you know your ISP's DNS ip adresses
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03:59<Brandy>Its the: BEFSR41 Ver: 4.2
03:59[~]Cap_J_L_Picard can't afford an ethernet cramper
04:00<Brandy>Yes, I can get them.
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04:00<klys>ten: don't burn your mouth
04:00<JohnGH>jm_: perfect - that's what I was looking for - thank you :)
04:00<lanceallott>do you know and are able to access the Linksys setup screen
04:00<Ten>klys: One can only try. Thank you for your concern.
04:01<Brandy>lanceallott: Yes, if I was too hook it up.
04:01<gigel>Hello,I have strange problem :I installed Exim4,created users -when I try to use MS Outlook with my user it gives me an error 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts
04:01<gigel>please help me ,I am going nuts
04:02<lanceallott>it will be so much more eaiser to use ethernet than usb
04:02<padski>gigel: is your user authorised ?
04:02<gigel>ies
04:02<gigel>err
04:02<gigel>yes
04:02<klys>gigel: are you delivering mail to the ip you installed exim4 at ?
04:02<Brandy>lanceallott: Yes, I understand that, and agree.
04:02<JohnGH>gigel: this is the debian help channel, maybe you need the psychiatric help channel :)
04:02<gigel>:))
04:02<gigel>really I google it
04:02<jm_>there's also #exim (possibly on freenode)
04:03<klys>#windoz<snore>we'lltakeyouaway
04:03<JohnGH>gigel: have you got a localised config? or was it just installed vanilla?
04:03<gigel>localised config
04:03<JohnGH>OK
04:03<lanceallott>I use D-Link 10/100 mb cards that I bought from Newegg for $10 apiece...on sale
04:03<gigel>whe I send mails from a web mai works fine
04:04<gigel>but with opera or outlook I got errors
04:04<JohnGH>if you'd installed vanilla it would have asked you what hosts do you want to receive mail for - but I'm not recommending you throw away your local config!
04:04<padski>gigel: what mechanism does your user auth by ?
04:04<gigel>aa?
04:05<gigel>do you mean pop3?
04:05<padski>gigel: smtp
04:05<JohnGH>gigel: what you're basically doing is asking your server to relay mail from your client to a foreign MX server
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04:05<Brandy>:| HAve I mentioned I love my ISP?
04:05<klys>brandy: nwhy, do they give you a static ip?
04:06<lanceallott>which means nothing, except they have the RealTec 8139 chip which is very linux compatible
04:06<Brandy>klys: No. I wish, but thats 400$ a month. :|
04:06<JohnGH>in the old days you used to be able to use any mail server to send mail anywhere - but then spammers took massive advantage of that - so in the late 90s everyone started turning off open relaying - it's a BAD thing - the only alternative is to have some way of authenticating with the server to show it you're a special user who is ALLOWED to use it for relaying.
04:06[~]klys had a static ip once for $25/mo.
04:06<Brandy>My ISP is really dumb. I hate them.
04:07<Brandy>But. meh, soon they'll have Fiberoptics. lol
04:07<JohnGH>it can be by logging in, or by the sending IP address, or by the recipient IP address
04:07<JohnGH>gigel: I'm at work and don't have time for pvt msg sorry - ask me in here
04:08<gigel>I send and received
04:08<gigel>it works
04:08<klys>johngh: consider that most isp users are with consumerist isps that have no news service, no mbone publicity, not on the 6bone, not to mention the no static address
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04:08<Brandy>I'm starving, I'll be back in a little while.
04:08<JohnGH>it's not about outlook - if you tried any other mail client, or even telnetting to port 25 on the mail server you would get the same thing.
04:08<JohnGH>klys: yes, I agree
04:09<gigel>so
04:09<gigel>what should I do?
04:09<JohnGH>so usually the only useful way is some kind of logging in - like pop before smtp
04:10<klys>gigel: are you having trouble finding your ms error messages with google ?
04:10<gigel>yes
04:10<JohnGH>gigel: the issue is that outlook is not running on the same machine as the mail server - so it's not a locally generated mail as far as the mail server is concerned.
04:10<padski>JohnGH: but pop4smtp is nasty :-)
04:10<JohnGH>padski: I agree :-)
04:10<padski>lol
04:10<gigel>so?
04:11<gigel>what can I do tech?
04:11<klys>gigel: try thunderbird mozilla.org
04:11<gigel>:(( I need to make outlook work
04:11<gigel>with my mail server
04:11<JohnGH>gigel: the so it: so forget "outlook" in your search - search for relaying with exim and things like that.
04:11<klys>gigel: if thunderbird works, maybe he'll talk to you
04:12<padski>gigel: it's probably sasl. you can setup auth in the client and on the server. for extra marks connect on 587 :-)
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04:12<padski>gigel: for example http://wiki.exim.org/AuthenticatedSmtpUsingNTLM
04:13<klys>ntlm is sick. htund
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04:13<padski>klys: I agree :-)
04:13<JohnGH>padski: nice, Outlook Express and Outlook 2000 don't work with 587 ? ( http://kb.wisc.edu/helpdesk/page.php?id=2786 )
04:14<padski>JohnGH: I use it a lot (although I couldn't swear about OL2k)
04:15<padski>JohnGH: anyways, getting email to work with MS products is a nightmare
04:16<JohnGH>gigel: gigel: have you read this? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/280
04:16<padski>JohnGH: yeah, that might be right about 465. ISTR it does some daft stuff with SSL/TLS
04:17<gigel>JohnGH yup I read it :((
04:17<gigel>nothing
04:17<JohnGH>gigel: didn't work?
04:17<gigel>nope
04:18<gigel>I have to go
04:18<gigel>thanks a lot
04:18<klys>man who installed squid on your antic
04:18<gigel>Long live Debian ! :)
04:18<klys>cheers!
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04:21<JohnGH>thanks for your help before jm_ - I'll document the "research" on my blog :-)
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04:22<simonrvn>could someone with a jfs partition that was created within the last 6 months tell me what version jfs_tune -l /dev/thatpartition spits out? it should be next to "JFS version:" not the program version
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04:27<JohnGH>laters all
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04:27<User512[at]work>Hi evryone!
04:28<User512[at]work>Can you, please, tell me, where i should look for guide for configuring blackbox
04:29<User512[at]work>and how to makeit understand in russian ?:)
04:29<padski>User512[at]work: you want the guide in russian ?
04:30<User512[at]work>if it's possible it'll be good but not nessesary
04:30<lanceallott>probably wants the keyboard in russian !
04:31<User512[at]work>*necessary
04:31<User512[at]work>no i need blackbox to be in russian
04:31<User512[at]work>)
04:32<padski>This reminds me that game, the one where you do sketches like "in the chip shop in the style of opera" :-)
04:33<User512[at]work>or i'll probably should better ask this question in debian-russian ? :)
04:33<padski>http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxTranslations
04:34<lanceallott>User512[at]work: http://lists.altlinux.ru/pipermail/community/2001-December/037917.html
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04:39<User512[at]work>10nx a lot +)
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04:40<Brandy>Backkkk.
04:41<lanceallott>http://blin.zp.ua/
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04:42<jm_>JohnGH: I am
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04:42<Brandy>Erm. Seemingly my Branden nick is connect. O.o
04:42<padski>lol
04:43<Brandy>I don't see how. :|
04:43<jm_>simonrvn: I suppose doing that on AIX doesn't count? :)
04:45<Brandy>WTF! My Branden nick is connected... But from no where!
04:46<petemc>ghost it
04:46<Brandy>Its not registered.
04:46<Brandy>I want to register it.
04:46<JohnGH>byeeee
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04:47<jm_>*** idle : 0d 18h 17m 15s (signon: Mon Aug 13 17:29:53 2007)
04:47<jm_>were you drunk yesteray at that time?
04:47<Brandy>lmfao. No.
04:48<Brandy>This is the only computer with internet access, and its NO where to be found connected.
04:48<jm_>netstat -nap|grep 6667 I suppose
04:48<Brandy>I'm on Windows right now. :P
04:48<jm_>it has netstat, just not -p
04:48<Brandy>True.
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04:50<Brandy>It must have JUST pinged out. Because the oper said it aint connected. :|
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04:51<Branden>Registered. :D
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04:56<lanceallott>Branden: great
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04:57<lanceallott>Branden:
04:58[~]lanceallott slaps Branden around with a small 50lb Unix Manual
04:59<Branden>:P I'll need that. :P
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05:01<Branden>Whats a good site for a noob like me to learn. :P
05:02<gsimmons_>!tell Branden -about grounding
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05:02<lanceallott>www.linuxreality.com podcast
05:02<Branden>Thank you. :D
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05:24<simonrvn>jm_: no, hehe
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06:13<thctlo2>hi is here some who knows how pam_mount auth's , i have it working, but i have to enter 2 x my password.
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06:14<simonrvn>you need to pass up the info to the previous module
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06:15<thctlo2>yeah, i know, i have auth required pam_mount.so use_first_pass and session optional pam_mount.so use_first_pass
06:15<Branden>I think I may have fixed my problem. I don't know yet.
06:15<thctlo2>but still 2 x pass needed..
06:16<simonrvn>you need passwd too...
06:16<simonrvn>you just have auth and session
06:17<simonrvn>er, wait. i'm tired, maybe i'm wrong
06:17<thctlo2>yes, these are added in login.
06:17<simonrvn>lemme check
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06:17<simonrvn>did you add it to common-password?
06:17<simonrvn>login uses that IIRC
06:18<thctlo2>1 sec, i check
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06:18<thctlo2>in /etc/pam.d/login, i added @include common-pammount before the @include common-password
06:19<simonrvn>ah ok
06:19<simonrvn>hm
06:19<thctlo2>as the doc's say ;-)
06:19<simonrvn>thought they might say that =)
06:20<thctlo2>is it also needed in common-password ?
06:20<simonrvn>what's the common-pammount have in it?
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06:20<Branden>To everyone that was helping me earlyer! I FIXED IT! What I did was, I bridged the connection on my computer (My connection from the router, and then the connection from me to the Debian) And now my DSL Modem sees my computer and the debian! :D
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06:20<simonrvn>Branden: \o/
06:20<tycale>how force to quit a window ?
06:20<Branden>So. This SHOULD fix my problem. :D Ty all!
06:21<simonrvn>sec, i might have that here
06:21<KWeRe>hai
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06:21<petemc>tycale: xkill
06:21<thctlo2>simonrvn: the common-password has:
06:21<thctlo2>password sufficient pam_ldap.so
06:21<thctlo2>password sufficient pam_unix.so use_first_pass use_authtok md5
06:21<thctlo2>password required pam_deny.so
06:21<simonrvn>eh, don't paste here please, use:
06:21<simonrvn>!paster
06:21<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
06:21<tycale>petemc: ty :D
06:22<thctlo2>ow ok..
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06:25<simonrvn>thctlo2: or just open a /query window to me and paste it there if you don't feel comfortable with that
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06:26<thctlo2>where do you want me to past what, im on the paste.debian.net
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06:26<simonrvn>yes, and paste URL here afterwards
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06:27<thctlo2>ok, what do you want met to past,
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06:27<simonrvn>common-pammount
06:27<thctlo2>ok 1 sec
06:28<simonrvn>thctlo2: actually nm i just installed it
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06:28<thctlo2>http://paste.debian.net/34596
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06:28<thctlo2>ah ok. i only change the session required to optional
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06:30<simonrvn>yeh, was about to say, hit reload on that page =)
06:30<simonrvn>bah still loading.. oh there it goes
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06:32<thctlo2>ok yes, the users loggin on must have a home directory and therefore must mount
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06:33<thctlo2>to give you a bit more info. i'm having a ldap server on server 1 , ( samba /PDC ) , users login on server 2 with telnet, using the ldap auth, this works ok. ( 1 x passneeded )
06:34<simonrvn>yeh, looks similar to mine except i added kerby5 to mine
06:35<thctlo2>after adding the pammount, it still works, , but 2 x password needed, 1 password, is de default login screen, 2e password, koms after the default debian log text
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06:35<m_g>hey there people
06:35<simonrvn>yeh, auth/pass info not getting passed down or up, so the module not getting it wants it
06:35<fromport>Q: i cant compile kernel anymore with kernel-package. any body around who could/wants to help me ?
06:36<thctlo2>http://paste.debian.net/34598 , is what a see
06:36<m_g>got a apt-get problem. when running dist-upgrade it froze. now i'm running update again which suggests to use 'dpkg --configure -a'. doing that prints: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 375 package `libfreetype6': i have looked at the line in question and the file seems to contain lots of bullshit characters
06:36<m_g>what can i do? remove the status file and run update again?
06:37<jm_>m_g: try to use a backup
06:37<fromport>m_g: copy the file to extension: with .BACKUP
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06:37<jm_>ls /var/backups
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06:37<fromport>open the file in your prefeered editor and see what is going on, probably delete the lines that describe the package
06:37<thctlo2>m_g check the status file, make sure you removed the entries below Section.
06:37<m_g>ok so i move the /var/lib/dpkg/status to a different location and then copy /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 into the location?
06:38<jm_>for example
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06:38<jm_>you'll obviously lose recent changes
06:38<simonrvn>thctlo2: yeh, figures. krb5's one looks a bit like that =) hehe
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06:38<thctlo2>on krb5 you also have 2 x pass needed. ?
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06:39<simonrvn>no, only when misconfigured ;)
06:39<m_g>heh that now gives me 'dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: Input/output error'
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06:39<jm_>!available
06:39<dpkg>rumour has it, available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above.
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06:39<etbe>What's the situation with Xen AMD64 kernels in unstable? Am I missing something or is there no recent Xen kernel?
06:39<jm_>but if the file is there, it might mean you hva fs/hardware issues
06:40<simonrvn>yeh
06:40<jm_>have*
06:40<m_g>jm_, nah, awesome, tat fixed it
06:40<thctlo2>in common-auth i also have auth sufficient pam_ldap.so
06:40<m_g>do you think i can try to dist-upgrade again now? last time it froze when setting up openssh-server and i had to reboot
06:40<etbe>m_g: How exactly did it freeze?
06:41<thctlo2>m_g: first open a screen, then upgrade ;-) it will comback your screen..
06:41<simonrvn>thctlo2: stick in some ' debug' statements, and watch auth.log
06:41<simonrvn>that'll help
06:41<m_g>etbe, ssh got stuck at printing "Setting up..." and then the server didn't respond anymore at all
06:41<m_g>thctlo2, uh? :)
06:41<etbe>m_g: Didn't respond to pings?
06:41<thctlo2>how do i set the debug statent ?
06:41<m_g>etbe, yep
06:41<jm_>thctlo2: with an editor
06:41<etbe>m_g: Sounds like a kernel problem or a hardware error. Have you run memtest86+?
06:42<jm_>it's an option, like try_first_pass etc.
06:42<m_g>etbe, not yet
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06:42<thctlo2>Oww. ok :D
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06:42<simonrvn>hehe
06:43<etbe>m_g: The best thing to do is to run memtest86+ when a server mysteriously crashes. Bad RAM or motherboard probably isn't the problem, but it's an easy test to run. It's on a Fedora CD (unfortunately it's not on a Debian CD - but I have requested it and I think the D-I people are going to do it).
06:43<m_g>etbe, well the problem is i don't have physical access, only ssh and rescue boot
06:44<jm_>then you'll be in lots of pain trying to diagnose hardware errors
06:44<etbe>m_g: That makes things difficult. White-box server?
06:44<thctlo2>ok, im getting error trying to retrieve authok from auth code. .. so my gues is fix common-auth ?
06:44<m_g>etbe, white-box?
06:44<etbe>Is anyone running Xen on AMD64 Unstable?
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06:44<etbe>m_g: A white-box machine is one that is assembled from random bits. As opposed to a server from IBM, HP, Dell, etc.
06:44<simonrvn>thctlo2: that would be my guess
06:44<m_g>etbe, ah, yes
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06:45<simonrvn>etbe: oh kinda like what i have here =)
06:45<etbe>m_g: Does the machine have ECC RAM?
06:45<m_g>etbe, i don't think so.. it's an inexpensive machine a friend has ordered at a web hosting company
06:46<etbe>simonrvn: My patience with white-box machines has entirely run out, as has my patience with servers that lack ECC RAM. See http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/08/06/real-servers-vs-white-box/ and http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/08/01/ecc-ram-in-a-cheap-machine/ .
06:46<jm_>next step is to move on from x86 world
06:46[~]jm_ runs
06:46<etbe>m_g: Even cheap machines should have ECC RAM.
06:46<simonrvn>jm_: ;)
06:47<thctlo2>hm, that didnt work .. :-(
06:47<simonrvn>jm_: what you running over there nowadays?
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06:47<jm_>simonrvn: I don't have any real servers, I use some old HP kayak (desktop machine) for router
06:47<flami>is there an aptitude pendant to apt-get source <package> ? --help didnt give me anything usefull
06:47<m_g>etbe, of course, you are right.. seems i can just hope apt-get did something wrong here and the upgrade works fine now. thanks for your help etbe jm_ and the others
06:47<jm_>flami: no
06:47<etbe>jm_: AMD64 is the go! But there are some problems. My DVD drive doesn't work on my Pentium-D system and I believe it's a kernel issue. So I want to get a Xen kernel from Unstable which I believe fixes the motherboard support, but I can't seem to find such a kernel with Xen support - which is why I'm here.
06:48<flami>ok thanks , so downloading source is still wtih apt-get ?
06:48<simonrvn>jm_: mm, me neither; just use old PPCs as 'servers'. gets the bytecode using skr1pt k1dd13s all confused ;p
06:48<jm_>flami: see #299678
06:49<flami>k
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06:49<jm_>simonrvn: yes, that's why I always wanted a SPARC box or somesuch, could get one from work, but then they end up slower than old P3
06:49<simonrvn>thctlo2: you may have to play around with the order
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06:49<etbe>simonrvn: I know someone who runs Hercules on an x86 box and Linux/390 on that for his server. The stack goes the other way and if the attacker cracks the S/390 Linux and Hercules then they still are non-root.
06:49<jm_>etbe: can't you build your own?
06:49<simonrvn>jm_: sparc64 would be worth it
06:50<thctlo2>ok i'll try..
06:50<jm_>simonrvn: yeah if it's 900MHz UltraSparc3 or so, but that's too big/noisy
06:50<simonrvn>etbe: hehehe
06:50<etbe>jm_: Build my own kernel? Sure. But if I wanted to do that I'd use Slackware. ;) Seriously though I've got lots of other things to do than building and debugging my own packages.
06:50<simonrvn>thctlo2: PAM sucks when not configured OK :/.
06:50<thctlo2>im having a dell PE2900 next to my ear :-( but its fast :D
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06:51<simonrvn>stick it in a closet with an air hole ;)
06:51<etbe>jm_: Incidentally what's the NX support like on SPARC? I have the impression that such things reached i386 first because that's where the users are...
06:52<thctlo2>it's our new progress database server.. :D 2 x quad 2.33 Ghz.. :D
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06:52<thctlo2>we did some performance testing, the old server neede 5 min, this one 15 sec :D
06:52<simonrvn>O_O
06:53<jm_>etbe: indeed, there are so few users of non-x86 architectures they always lag behind
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06:53<simonrvn>which sucks. x86 is such a crap cpu
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06:53<simonrvn>can't have everything heh
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06:54<MBR>does the stock debian have a gui version of aptget similar to ubuntu?
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06:54<jm_>yes
06:55<simonrvn>ubuntu uses debian's
06:55<etbe>simonrvn: Well all CPUs tend to end up eqully crap. They can start out clean like MIPS but then have their implementation change to oppose the original design (the acronym MIPS only describes what the first two series of MIPS chips did). Interesting new features such as segments don't get used properly (if at all) and everything ends up at the lowest common demoninator for compatability.
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06:55<jm_>yeah but x86 has had so much cruft added it's time to start with something fresh (and that's not Itanium :)
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06:56<simonrvn>etbe: for sure, that is t3h sux... need new ideas, or new twists on some old ones, and not rehashing old crappy ones ;).
06:56<simonrvn>jm_: yeh
06:57<etbe>jm_: HPPA compatability was a stone around the neck of Itanic. The segment design in 8086 for upward compatability with 80286 was inspired, pity DOS became the popular OS and didn't support it.
06:57<MBR>next question. does debian use kde or gnome as the default distro window manager
06:57<simonrvn>neither is a wm
06:57<MBR>what is kde, gnome then?
06:58<simonrvn>desktop enviroment
06:58<simonrvn>n
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06:59<MBR>ok ty. and which does debian proudly support as the default 'desktop environment'
06:59<klys>gnome, usually
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06:59<simonrvn>gnome by default, also has a kde and xfce install cd
06:59<Maulkin>MBR: Default at the moment is gnome, but we support all of them
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07:00<klys>thing about gnome is the difficulty in modifying file associations with nautilus
07:00<klys>there are some serious bugs
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07:01<klys>and a lot of uncalled for configfiles
07:01<simonrvn>ugh, a chore. easier to mod ~/.mialcap and friends with an editor ;)
07:01<MBR>i liked gnome over kde for pure speed and responsiveness. but kde seems to be be more flexiable and feature rich but a bit of a resource hog
07:01<simonrvn>mail*
07:01[~]Maulkin prefers XFCE.
07:01<Maulkin>Basically, it all depends on what you want :)
07:01<MBR>i've used ice in the past and it wasn't to bad. nice and light weight
07:01<klys>simonrvn: does nautilus support mailcap over its own defaults?
07:01<simonrvn>*shrug*
07:02<MBR>yeah it's all a matter of taste
07:02<simonrvn>imman openbox and xfce bits user =)
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07:03<simonrvn>i like having my own custom main menu and be able to include the debian menu too with no problems, plus other stuff
07:03<simonrvn>having to edit xml is a PITA, but whatever =)
07:03<Maulkin>My general advice is: start with gnome; not pretty enough? Goto KDE. Too much memory useage for you? Go to XFCE. Still not happy? Ask here
07:03<klys>yeah, usually I use blackbox, I don't know what's up with the past two months :|
07:03<MBR>yeah that is nice. i believe linus said the same thing
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07:04<Eulex>simonrvn, there's a menu editor included.
07:05<simonrvn>for openbox?
07:05<klys>thing is, I needed a file manager
07:05<simonrvn>obconf doesn't edit the menu
07:05<Eulex>simonrvn, ah, thought you were using xfdesktop
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07:05<simonrvn>"xfce bits"
07:05<simonrvn>:)
07:05<klys>and... etch had already installed gnome from the netinstall
07:05<MBR>ok last and final question. ubuntu supported my wireless 'microsoft' mn-510 adapter. and besides mandriva is the only distro that has. any clue if debian does?
07:05<Eulex>but, well, xfdesktop can do what you describe above.
07:06<klys>MBR: depends on your kernel driver options.
07:06<simonrvn>oh i know, but got in my way
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07:06<jm_>MBR: or ndiswrapper
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07:07<klys>and since I thought I'd leave nautilus open all the time anyway, well, I'm using gnome like it or not
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07:07<klys>now I would prefer something fullscreen
07:07<Eulex>MBR, wireless lan? mouse?
07:08<MBR>wireless lan. 802.11b
07:08<simonrvn>afk
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07:11[~]vastinfest vaistinukas valgyti nori..
07:12<klys>~ru
07:12<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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07:18<gsimmons_>MBR: Your adapter is supported by the linux-wlan-ng driver. You'd need to install the 'linux-wlan-ng-source' package and compile the kernel module using module-assistant. You may or may not need the files downloaded by the 'linux-wlan-ng-firmware' package.
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07:20<MBR>gsimmons_, thank you
07:22<thctlo2>YES !! i fixed it.. simonrvn Thanx very much..
07:22<thctlo2>it was the order.
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07:32<thctlo2>simonrvn : just 1 extra question. is it possible to use pam with telnetd ?
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07:32[~]Eulex grins
07:33<jm_>thctlo2: ehh it's default like that
07:33<Eulex>"is it possible to use security with no security?"
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07:34<thctlo2>yes, but cron is now displaying messages, that pam_mount is having error trying to retrieve authtok from auth code. and cron does not need this.
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07:34<thctlo2>this is because i used de common-xxxxx files
07:34<klys>thctlo2: something in /etc/cron.daily running mount?
07:34<thctlo2>same if i logon on console,
07:35<thctlo2>nope nothing is in cron whats using mount
07:35<klys>network mounts?
07:36<thctlo2>klys, i logon with telnet on my server, pammount mounts the home drive from the samba server, this works ok now.
07:36<thctlo2>but i now have other messages in my logs i dont wat.. ;-)
07:37<thctlo2>from cron jobs, messages pam_mount , and login on console pam_ldap ..
07:37<jm_>yeah you'll probably need to split up PAM config files
07:38<thctlo2>and if i made a /etc/pam.d/telnetd should that work ?
07:38<jm_>no, it uses login AFAIK
07:38<thctlo2>ok ok .. ;-)
07:38<thctlo2>i'l go fix my login than..
07:38<Tydor>i finished the install now...of debian 4.0 netinst..but i only have shell...i tried install xfce...but apt-get and aptitude tell no find packet
07:39<jm_>it's xfce4
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07:40<jm_>!tell Tydor -about search
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07:40<Tydor>%%+jm_+%%: thanks...and sorry...i search in google and don't find...any way thanks a lot...
07:41<jm_>Tydor: naah, use apt-cache or aptitude to search for Debian packages
07:41<Tydor>%%+jm_+%%: thanks xD
07:41<Tydor>test now
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07:44<thctlo2>jm_ , my cron messges with pam are fixed,
07:45<thctlo2>only still if i logon on console , as root, i get te message from pam_ldap error trying to bind as suser "uid=root,OU=users...... etc " is thix fixable ?
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07:50<Tydor>apt-cache search don't work.... "impossible find the packet"
07:50<jm_>which package?
07:51<Tydor>xfce4
07:51<Tydor>amsn
07:51<Tydor>kde
07:51<jm_>which version are you using?
07:51<Tydor>4.0 r0
07:51<jm_>Etch has xfce4
07:52<jm_>maybe your sources.list is wrong
07:52<Tydor>the netinst too?
07:52<jm_>not on the CD no :)
07:52<Tydor>i have the debian 4.0 with xfce but...error on boot for cd
07:53<jm_>!sources.list
07:53<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
07:53<jm_>do that, run apt-get update, search for it again
07:54<Tydor>i run apt-get 2 times... the problema can be my internet?
07:54<jm_>verify sources.list
07:55<Tydor>ok thanks again
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08:03<dallix_>um can some one tell me the smart question faq?
08:04<jm_>!smart questions
08:04<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts.
08:04<jm_>so the answer to your non-smart question is yes
08:08<dallix_>how un criptic
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08:09<bewboy>hollow every body!!!!!
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08:12<bewboy>i have a little space problem with my home, i format other partition to ext3 to mount it as new home, my problem is that the new partition don't let me write on it.
08:13<jm_>mount it as user and it'll work
08:13<jm_>if it's about hosting /home, then it's directory permissions under home that apply
08:15<bewboy>it say me only root can do that,
08:15<jm_>do what?
08:15<bewboy>mount the new partition
08:15<jm_>yeah you need to allow it in fstab
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08:16<bewboy>i edited fstab auto,user,exec 0 0
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08:17<jm_>user is enough, there must be omething else you did wrong
08:17<bewboy>i want to use the new partition as my home
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08:17<jm_>but in that case just mount it under /home and move home dirs to it
08:17<jm_>no need to do any of that as user
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08:20<bewboy>i did cp home to new-home, in order to use it as home, but the problem is the w permition
08:20<jm_>how did you copy it?
08:21<bewboy>cp -Rf /home /mnt/hdx4
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08:21<jm_>you need to use cp -a
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08:21<bewboy>ok,
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08:23<bewboy>and how i can say use write permition and mount automatic
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08:24<bewboy>jm: ok, auto mount in fstab.
08:24<jm_>you don't need to do anything for write permissions, it will be OK if you copy it properly - for auto mount just use "auto" option
08:24<bewboy>jm: ok,
08:25<bewboy>jm: so, do i have to recopy files to make allright?
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08:28<bewboy>what -a mean for cp?
08:28<petemc>man cp
08:29<bewboy>good!!!!!!!!
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08:31<jm_>bewboy: yes copy it again
08:31<bewboy>jm: ok, i am waiting that it end!!!!!!
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08:36<bewboy>jm: i thing that now i have to empt old-home to can mount new-home in /home. is it rigth?
08:36<jm_>bewboy: don't delete it until you are sure new copy is OK
08:36<jm_>but I have to run now
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08:37<amphi>!!!!
08:37<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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08:38<ranix>!tell me about z25
08:38<bewboy>google z25.
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08:45<WildOS>Is this normal: After a day or so only 1200Kb of memory is free available while the remaining memory is used for cache and buffers. This makes my embedded controller insanely slow, as the os has to transport memory to my program every time it tries to allocate memory. Is it normal that that such amount of memory is used for buffers and cache? in my case it slows down all applications.. Using kernel 2.6.22.. and by the way I've got no swap as my filesystem is
08:45<WildOS> read only..
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08:47<dallix_>i have a fresh install of debian etch, and my dvd drive doesn't work.
08:47<tarzeau>WildOS: which software leaks?
08:47<tarzeau>dallix_: which /dev is your dvd drive?
08:48<WildOS>!free
08:48<dpkg>hmm... free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:")
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08:48<WildOS>!free ram
08:48<dpkg>Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'.
08:48<dallix_> /dev?
08:49<dallix_>what is /dev?
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08:50<tarzeau>dallix_: the device: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jul 25 13:57 /dev/cdrom -> scd0
08:51<tarzeau>dallix_: the question is, if you have multiple optical devices, is it linked to the right one. and which software do you use which can not use it
08:51<tarzeau>dallix_: as in, what is the exact error msg?
08:51<tarzeau>!doesn't work
08:51<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
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08:51<WildOS>tarzeau: I'm only running one program, free memory and buffers+cache remain unchanged even if I restart that app..
08:52<dallix_>there is no error messege it just refuses to recognize dvds it says that there is no cd in the drive
08:52<WildOS>tarzeau: and the controller is still insanely slow :(
08:53<dallix_>also it claims that i have both the floppy and the dvd drive inserted into the dvd drive at he same time.
08:53<bewboy>dallix: did you mount the dvd?
08:53<tarzeau>WildOS: you know top, ps and htop?
08:53<tarzeau>WildOS: and sort by memory?
08:53<tarzeau>dallix_: what? it?
08:55<dallix_>under the disk manager
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08:56<dallix_>it says that the hard disk, cdrom and the floppy are installed
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08:57<dallix_>the computer had the floppy drive put in 1 time
08:58<dallix_>also if i try to find out the proporties of the floppy drive the floppy led light remains light until i turn the computer off
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09:00<dallix_>under the filesystem in the folder media
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09:00<dallix_>it has folders called floppy, floppy0, and usbdisk
09:00<WildOS>tarzeau: how can that help me?
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09:01<tarzeau>WildOS: to find out where the memory is lost
09:01<tarzeau>WildOS: is it lost in the kernel (it can also leak memory) or by some process
09:01<tarzeau>WildOS: in any case you want to fix the memory leak
09:02<tarzeau>WildOS: in some cases you don't, where you want to avoid the software
09:02<WildOS>tarzeau: memory is transferred to buffers and cache
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09:02<tarzeau>WildOS: that memory is free memory
09:02<dallix_>the cd drive is listed under dev/hdc
09:03<dth>anybody else here using kernel-package to compile 2.6.23-rc* kernels ? (wont work for me)
09:03<WildOS>tarzeau: yes, but it seems when dealing with programs that allocate and deallocate a lot of memory continously, it decreases performance
09:03<WildOS>What I want to know is if it is possible to reduce the amount of memory spent for cache and memory
09:03<WildOS>cache and buffers..
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09:04<WildOS>I've only got 100MHz
09:04<dth>wildos: are you running on embedded environment ?
09:05<WildOS>dth: yes
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09:06<dth>wildos: have you looked at http://www.emdebian.org/ ?
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09:09<dth> anybody else here using kernel-package to compile 2.6.23-rc* kernels ? (wont work for me)
09:10<WildOS>dth: interesting :)
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09:11<tarzeau>dth: why does it fail?
09:11<dth>wildos: they are bound to run into the same problems, better ask there ;-) (i got some ideas/tips from there as well,running "embedded" on a via c3
09:11<tarzeau>WildOS: yes it's possible, check your kernel documentation
09:11<tarzeau>WildOS: but usually you don't want to turn of caching
09:11<dth>tarzeau: up to 2.6.22-git?? it compiles fine, but now i get errors. i think it cant find the i386 arch or something
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09:12<WildOS>tarzeau: It's worth a try =)
09:12<dth>tarzeau: what's the addres of the pastebin ?
09:13<tarzeau>!pastebin
09:13<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
09:13<tarzeau>dth: http://paste.istheshit.net/
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09:13<dth>*thanks* :-) i looked back for info when i joined this channel, but i could not find it ;-)
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09:14<padski>WildOS: (I suspect this is a simplification but) there are two sort of pages: clean pages and dirty pages. clean pages can just be dropped any time you have a better use for them, the overhead of doing this is very small. dirty pages need to be written out, and they shouldn't hang around that way for no reason at all.
09:14<bighornram>Is anyone running one of the "news" desklets? I can't get any of the one's in gdesklets-data to work.
09:15<dth>tarzeau: http://pastebin.ca/656932
09:15<chaoticmass>Grub 1.5 is saying error 18 after first boot into newly installed Etch system. Installed onto a simple hardware raid 1. Are there special considerations I should have taken to make this work? I only did a basic netinstall like normal and Grub installed onto the LUN device (if memory serves).
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09:16<dth>chaoticmass: is the drive over 2GB ?
09:16<dth>sorry 2TB ... ?
09:16<chaoticmass>dth: 36gb
09:16<tarzeau>dth: the problem is that the if test check fails
09:17<dth>tarzeau: i've been feeding the error message in google for a day now, but can't find any relevent pointers
09:17<tarzeau>dth: you looked for this? [: -ge: unary operator expected
09:18<dth>tarzeau: this is on a sid system, i installed a new etch machine: with same .config: same problem
09:18<WildOS>padski: I've got 0Kb dirty pages
09:18<tarzeau>dth: i usually call make-kpkg like this: make-kpkg -rev LOL.64 --append_to_version -1 kernel_image
09:18<tarzeau>dth: you have stuff like = aftera ppend_to_version, can you drop those?
09:19<tarzeau>dth: i think your input is the problem, but i'm not sure
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09:19<WildOS>If cache+buffers is similar to free memory, how come I cannot even get my app to start when there is plenty available there (only 1200kB is listed as free)??
09:19<padski>WildOS: I'd be very surprised if you can measure any positive difference in performance between having cache/buffers and not having them. it should be all downside :-(
09:19<tarzeau>dth: if you say man make-kpkg it doesn't tell you to use =
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09:20<padski>WildOS: what does it do instead ?
09:21<panagos>i have an amd x86 processor and want to install the amd-specific kernel. how do i choose which one to use?
09:21<WildOS>padski: it gets started in a while... but it is sooooo slow... usually, when there are lots memory listed as free memory, and not lots in buffers+cache, it is fast
09:21<panagos>k6, k7, etc
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09:21<herve>hello you all, i have a simple question about building simply a package. What i do now is, in a directory, i create a tree with /usr /var/ etc.... but when i use dpkg-deb --buil my_directory, all the files in the packages are ./usr/local/my_file . What can i do ?
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09:21<dth>tarzeau: if i use your options i still get a similar error: after make-kpkg clean (btw: this also gives this error) http://pastebin.ca/656938
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09:22<padski>WildOS: could it be that when there is a lot listed there the text/data of the prog are in cache ?
09:22<dth>panagos: apt-cache search linux-image | grep k7
09:22<tarzeau>dth: i don't know, if i had time i'd look into it :) sorry
09:22<padski>WildOS: is it fast first time you run it after a reboot ?
09:23<dth>tarzeau: i understand, thanks for looking/feedback!! much appriciated
09:23<WildOS>padski: and now I've even managed to get an oops.. damnit.. yes, it is fast after a reboot.. and then even for a day or so.. up till the point where buffer+cache = almost all available memory
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09:25<padski>WildOS: huh? buffer+cache *should* = almost all the free memory
09:25<panagos>dth: should i use k7 or k7-smp ?
09:25<padski>WildOS: out of interest, what arch ?
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09:27<Eulex>WildOS, and what kernel?
09:28<WildOS>padski: it's either a cyrix or mmx based cpu
09:28<WildOS>same thing happens with both of em
09:28<WildOS>Eulex: 2.6.22
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09:30<bcochofel>Hi, I need some help with ssh tunnel and smb share. Can someone tell me a channel for this?
09:33<panagos>when package A replaces package B, does that mean i can uninstall package B?
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09:51<dth>panagos: sorry for late reply.smp= multiple cpu's , so if you have x2 : use smp
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09:51<dth>panagos: if A replaces B, B is automagically un-installed
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09:57<panagos>dth: right, thanks!
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10:02<eppesuig>Hi all, my internet provider keep blocking every connections that is idle for more than 3 minutes. This means that I reveice a "connection reset by peer" very often with every kind of connections: ssh, imaps, ftp just to name a few. The provider told me that I should change my Debian firewall in order to send TCP packets when the session are idle. Anyone has any suggestion?
10:02<padski>eppesuig: ping
10:03<@Ganneff>if its ppp* you may just want lcp-* values set to the right things
10:03<eppesuig>padski: ping? I think the problem is related to the TCP socket, not to the host
10:03<bere>tcp keepalive from sysctl
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10:04<eppesuig>Ganneff: the provider installed a router. I cannot touch its router.
10:04<padski>eppesuig: sorry, I misunderstood. individual tcp connections break, not the whole ppp session ?
10:04<bere>tyr play with this net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time
10:04<eppesuig>bere: keepalive seems to be working only from the client PC and only after a minimum of two hours idle time.
10:04<eppesuig>padski: correct
10:04<@Ganneff>eppesuig: but you can touch the thing that starts your connection? if not kick your provider to fix it.
10:04<bere>eppesuig net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time
10:04<@Ganneff>running ping or stuff is just broken.
10:04<eppesuig>Ganneff: no, the connection is always on
10:05<@Ganneff>then kick your provider
10:05<padski>Ganneff: lol
10:05<eppesuig>Ganneff: I should but I cannot :-)
10:05<@Ganneff>its nothing you "fix" with running ping
10:05<@Ganneff>(or any other kind of packet just too keep the connection open).
10:05<@Ganneff>thats just insane and dumb.
10:05<@Ganneff>... change provider. :)
10:06<petemc>that does sound like a shit isp
10:06<eppesuig>Ganneff: i agree with you. Still i cannot :-(
10:06<petemc>when i do work for people behind firewalls that do that, i keep a screen terminal with top running in it, and switch to that if i expect to be idle for more than a minute
10:06<padski>in the days of dial-up, especially free dial-up, that kind of knock-off-idle-connections setup was very common here
10:06<petemc>kinda low tech solution
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10:07<padski>eppesuig: what about what bere was saying ?
10:07<eppesuig>Ganneff: I called on the provider and they told me that they chan change the timout to a maximum of 15 minutes on single TCP ports.
10:07<bere>sorry but why you not want change net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time = 7200 (2hours) to 179 (3 minute) ???
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10:08<eppesuig>bere: I read the documentation and it seems that values less than 2 hours are ignored.
10:08<simonrvn>and worsen it?
10:08<brislingf>greetings, is there anyone that has expirence with running perl scripts i apache2 httpd.conf ?
10:08<padski>eppesuig: could you tunnel all your connections out ?
10:09<bere>eppesuig - read but tou check in real life this ?
10:09<bere>you*
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10:09<eppesuig>padski: it seems that bere solution should be activated on the client machine, while I need something working on the firewall
10:09<padski>eppesuig: tunnel any use ?
10:09<eppesuig>bere: no, I didn't checked because I read that this must be changed where the connection is opened, while I need something on the firewall
10:10<bere>ok
10:12<eppesuig>bere: moreover, the documentation says "Programs must request keepalive control for their sockets using the setsockopt interface" so this seems to be working only for some programs.
10:12<eppesuig>padski: no tunnels: I cannot open tunnel for every connection :-(
10:12<padski>eppesuig: no just one tunnel, run them all through it :-)
10:12<bere>i think what this work independently of porgram )
10:13<bere>program*
10:13<eppesuig>bere: did you try? I will if you say that it should work on a firewall.
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10:17<bere>not^ not work for less than 7200 :((
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10:18<eppesuig>bere: maybe there is a solution using iptables
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10:29<co_hoho>hoho
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10:51<venkatesh>anyone know of any mastercam-like tool for linux
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10:58<deb_ring>hello everybody
10:59<qbit>hello
10:59<venkatesh>hi
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11:15<dallix_>my laptop is suffering a dvd drive problem.
11:16<dallix_>i have cheaked this with some one else and he requested my /dev
11:17<dallix_>my dvd drive is on dev/hdc
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11:18<dallix_>will some one please help?
11:18<padski>dallix_: describe the original symptoms again
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11:19<dallix_>i put dvd in drive.
11:19<dallix_>the dvd drive says that there is no dvd inside.
11:20<padski>dallix_: and you've rules out the possibility that individual disk is bad ?
11:20<dallix_>i tried the dvd on an other computer. and it works
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11:20<padski>dallix_: tried a different one on this computer ?
11:20<dallix_>also this happens on _every_ dvd i try
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11:20<padski>dallix_: ah! ok that covers that
11:21<padski>dallix_: if you put a bootable cd or dvd in the drive and arrange with the bios to boot off of it, does that work ?
11:21<dallix_>padski: no
11:21<padski>dallix_: sounds a lot like you have a hardware problem :-(
11:22<dallix_>padski: i also notecd in my investigation that my laptop claims that the floppy _and_ the dvd drive are in at the same time
11:22<dallix_>they are also on the same /dev, /dev/hdc
11:23<padski>dallix_: I take it they are removable modules that go in the same slot ?
11:23<dallix_>padski:yes
11:23<dallix_>padski: is it possible that there is a hardware conflict
11:24<padski>dallix_: well, that "can you boot off of a CD" question is the critical dignostic question. the answer 'no' strongly suggest you have a hardware problem, I don't know what help you'll get on #debian for that
11:24<dallix_>padski: then what channel should i use?
11:25<padski>dallix_: is it still under waranty ?
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11:25<dallix_>no it is 7 years old. they don't make it any more
11:25<padski>dallix_: friendly repair shop ?
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11:26<padski>dallix_: somewhere where they won't chaarge you if it's not a h/w prob :-)
11:26<dallix_>padski: i haven't heard of any in my area.
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11:28<dallix_>padski: do you think i should forget my dvd drive?
11:28<fxiny>7 years old ? try to clean up the lenses
11:28<dallix_>fxiny: how do i do that.
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11:29<fxiny>there are cd cleaners for that or do it by hand : be careful
11:29<dallix_>i\fxiny: i heard that you shouldn't touch the lens( from the manual)
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11:30<dallix_>can you give me a est. price for a cd cleaner?
11:30<theimrot>hello i have problem with exim4 under debian etch, i i sent message to user1@locahost, all is going right, but if i sent to user@gmx.de i get the a localerror
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11:31<fxiny>dallix_: i said be careful , i mean padski is right to tell you go to a repshop .
11:31<dallix_>can i do it with a cutip?
11:31<max_>how do I change the system time?
11:31<fxiny>dallix_: a cd cleaner ? very cheap .
11:31<witte>dallix_: just take such a stick with cotton on the ends for putting in your ear, an dip it in some alcohol (not liquor) and you will do fine
11:32<witte>dallix_: I do not know a better expression for the ear-stick thing btw :-)
11:32<dallix_>thanx
11:32<fxiny>dallix_: yes you can use a cuttip. drop some alcool on the lense first : the smallest drop you can
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11:36<padski>max_: man date
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11:37<lutz>sziasztok
11:37<lutz>magyarul tud valaki?
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11:38<seanius>!hu
11:38<dpkg>i heard hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
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11:38<lutz>magyarul valaki
11:39[~]vastinfest bah...
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11:49[~]fxiny sco -70% vmware +80%
11:51<theimrot>can someone help to configurate exim4
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11:54<bere>can )
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12:01<TheAsp>Is there a repository for compiz-fusion that works on Etch?
12:02<seanius>TheAsp: afaik there isn't a compiz fusion that works in unstable either
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12:03<TheAsp>seanius: I haven't tried, but this one has debs that depend on stuff from sid: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
12:04<seanius>oooh, no source packages there. i'm telling
12:05<TheAsp>:P
12:05<seanius>seriously, that's a GPL violation
12:05<TheAsp>yes yes...
12:05<seanius>so i don't know if those are independantly packaged or just recompiled versions of the ubuntu packages
12:06<TheAsp>they are git snapshots
12:06<seanius>so are the ubuntu packages
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12:20<TheAsp>Whats the thingamajig that will watch was stuff installs in /usr/local so you can remove it easily later?
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12:20<TheAsp>s/was/what/
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12:20<seanius>TheAsp: i use the stow package usually
12:21<theimrot>exim -d+auth -qf
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12:22<KaiSVK>hi all
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12:29<fxiny>TheAsp: checkinstall ?
12:29<dallix_>my problem ws that my dvd drive was broken so you recomeded that i clean the lens.
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12:30<dallix_>can i use a aclcohal cooton pad insted of a cuttip?
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12:30<dallix_>cotton*
12:30<fxiny>much better yes
12:31<dallix_>do i have to turn off the computer first?
12:33<diakrufus>hi
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12:34<diakrufus>can you help me with VNC please, the problem is: on my Debian box, if I connect as remote with VNC viewer, I see only XTerm and the cross as a mouse pointer. What can I do to see the desktop so I can work on pc?
12:35<diakrufus>I can see you Xserver startup
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12:36<fxiny>dallix_: a very small alcohol drop goes on *only* on the lense . drying it up with cotton is fine . do not scracth it up
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12:37<dallix_>can i use a tissue
12:37<dallix_>?
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12:39<fxiny>anything goes . take the alcohol-dust-whatever-solution off : be very gentle . do not push
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12:43<dallix_>fxiny: i just tried to use that method, but my dvd drivd still doesn't work.
12:44<dallix_>drive*
12:44<seanius>i've found toothpaste works really well
12:44<lupine_85>oO
12:45<seanius>oh, you're talking about drives... don't try that on a drive
12:45<lupine_85>D
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12:45<dallix_>seanius: hahahaha so freakingly funny.
12:45<lupine_85>It's pretty common for old drives to stop noticing that there's a CD/DVD in them - I have a pile of about 6
12:45<lupine_85>not much to do but chuck it in the bin
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12:46<lupine_85>or cover in toothpaste
12:46<dallix_>seanius: what does tothpaste work really good for?
12:46<seanius>cd's/dvd's
12:46<KaiSVK>I was just wondering ... is something going on with the new design of debian's web page ?
12:47<dallix_>lupine: what do i cover in tooth paste
12:47<lupine_85>as little as possible
12:48<lupine_85>the drive is bust; cleaning it won't change that
12:48<dallix_>on what??
12:48<lupine_85>the mouth is traditional
12:48<dallix_>lol.
12:48<lupine_85>I think seanius was suggesting it as a remedy for getting scratched CDs to read again
12:48<dallix_>i should put that on a list of common sence tips.
12:49<lupine_85>not until you've tested it out ;)
12:49<dallix_>does it really work?
12:49<fxiny>dallix_: so , now you know they won't charge you for doing just that :)
12:49<seanius>on the mouth? seems to work for me :)
12:49<dallix_>so do i have to chuck my dvd drive?
12:50<fxiny>toothpaste ? wt4x !
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12:50<dallix_>lupine_85: what do you know it works for me to.
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12:52<fxiny>toothpaste is f* wierd : i suggest anchovies paste to let the cats cleaning it after you dump it in a dust bin :P
12:53<fxiny>cats will love it
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12:56<dallix_>i was thinking... is it possible to emulate a cd/dvd drive then load a .iso image of the cd/dvd i want to restore semi-cd/dvd drive functionality
12:57<vidda>xdcc list
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12:58<TheAsp>dallix_: you mean something like: mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/image.iso /mnt/
12:58<dallix_>would that do what i want?
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12:59<dallix_>i have no idea what the mount command does.
12:59<TheAsp>that mounts an iso image to /mnt
12:59<iz>why does php -v on bash give met php 5 and on test .php page php 4 is that a problem? ?
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12:59<dallix_>ok.
13:00<TheAsp>iz: php in apache is a module, php on the command line runs the php command.
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13:00<seanius>iz : you have php5-cli and libapache2-mod-php4 installed
13:00<TheAsp>iz: you can control what php is run in apache by which module you have installed and enabled
13:00<iz>seanius, and libapache-mod-php4
13:01<iz>aha okay so it is not a problem at all?
13:01<TheAsp>iz: depends if you want to use php4 or php5 with your webserver
13:01<seanius>well, it will be a problem when you update to test/unstable, as both apache 1.x and php4 are removed
13:01<seanius>but fine for stable if it works for you
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13:02<TheAsp>seanius: ever have problems with stow and libtool? :) it is doing some path checking when it installs stuff for me
13:02<iz>TheAsp, I want php 4 wih apache 1.3
13:03<seanius>TheAsp: sometimes there are issues, but usually i try to configure it with non-stow paths directly in /usr/local and then do make install prefix=....
13:03<seanius>though this doesn't always work either
13:04<iz>package libapache2-mod-php2 is not installed
13:04<iz>err 2=4
13:05<iz>php5-cli and php5-ldap removed
13:06<iz>yes cewl php -v give me now the correct answer :)
13:06<TheAsp>seanius: *nod*
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13:08<iz>does any one know wy php4-xache is not in etch?
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13:08<iz>xcache
13:09<dallix_>how easy would it be to set up a home network between a etch and a win xp computer
13:09<derek123>hi all... I'm trying to do a 4.0 install on a Thinkpad A20m with a 3com 3c589 pcmcia network card and the pcmcia card isn't being detected at all. I've previously had sarge on the machine, so I know it can work. Any ideas?
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13:12<dallix_>will some one tell me how to set up a etch and a win xp computer.
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13:13<knix>dallix_: google.com tldp.org
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13:13<dallix_>I already have the wires set up i just need to set up a way for the two computers to communicate to gether
13:14<fxiny>the easiste way for a noodb to connect a winvlows to etch is to instaòò winscp on winblows . you should install samba , many tutorials on google
13:14<fxiny>easiest*
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13:15<knix>I'm almost having trouble believing this is a serious question
13:15<knix>How can you get etch installed without knowing about basic networking
13:15<dallix_>i am a linux newbie.
13:15<knix>What are you trying to accomplish?
13:15<knix>Do you want them to share files
13:15<knix>?
13:15<dallix_>yes.
13:16<knix>samba.org
13:16<fxiny>dallix_: ok . get winscp on your win . hyst to move files . then install samba on etch
13:16<knix>He probably doesn't have ssh setup
13:16<fxiny>true
13:17<fxiny>dallix_: this is a nice place to start with , imho : http://www.debian-administration.org/
13:17<knix>debian.org has some nice docs as well
13:17<fxiny>dallix_: enjoy your debian box
13:18<dallix_>thanks so much
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13:21<rarj>How do I stop Open Office Writer from coming up everytime Debian starts ?
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13:22<meme>Need help with regex. "<positive integer>/<positive integer>" is the check
13:22<weasel>that's no regex
13:22<meme>nah, it's a translation to general languaage. Everything is literal except "<,>,/,"
13:23<meme>:)
13:23<weasel>you mean except [<>/] :)
13:23<weasel>[0-9]+/[0-9]+ should do, if your regexes do +
13:23<meme>Aha!
13:23<weasel>otherwise [0-9][0-9]*/[0-9][0-9]*
13:23<meme>Thank you
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13:23<weasel>(ignoring the fact that 0 is not posit..
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13:24<rarj>How do I stop Open Office Writer from coming up everytime Debian starts ?
13:24<weasel>"how did you make it come up everytime Debian starts"
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13:25<rarj>weasel: Good Question ! I have no idea how. The last thing I did was a package update.
13:26<weasel>if you find out the answer to that you probably also have the answer to your question.
13:26<weasel>my first guess would be some session saving stuff in gnome/kde
13:26<weasel>also, you need to learn the difference between your OS booting and you logging in.
13:27<rarj>weasel: Ive closed OO and restarted, that didnt help. Maybe the session is not getting saved properly when I log off ?
13:27<weasel>"maybe"
13:27<weasel>gnome?
13:27<rarj>weasel: kde
13:27<weasel>no idea.
13:28<seanius>rarj: anything in .kde/Autostart ?
13:28<rarj>weasel: ok. thanks for the hints though. :-)
13:28<rarj>seanius: ill have to check that. brb
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13:30<rarj>seanius: nope.
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13:33<iz>rarj, share/autostart ?
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13:34<iz>see also kdelibs/kinit/README.autostart
13:35<rarj>iz: ok
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13:37<disposable>please see http://pastebin.com/d45bcf143 for my network configuration. eth1 connects me to my home network. after enabling the bridging for tap0, i can no longer ping anyone on the 192.168.100.x segment, although others can ping me. What did i do wrong? also, others can only ping me after i've logged into X. why is that?
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13:46<aycko>disposable: are u logged in with wlan?
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13:47<aycko>cuz u have a wlan ip
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13:50<aycko>disposable: i guess u are connected with wlan and route through 192.168.1.67 which would mean u cannot access 192.168.100.x, except u configured your router to know both subnets.
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14:00<venkatesh>I'm trying to find out what package would contain x11-xcb.pc; how could I do that
14:01<disposable>aycko, yes, i'm using wlan to connect to internet. the second part of your message i do not really understand
14:02<Berge>venkatesh: With apt-file.
14:03<Berge>venkatesh: apt-file update; apt-file search x11-xcb.pc
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14:09<venkatesh>okay, if apt-file doesn't find it, its not in debian?
14:11<iz>apt-cache search
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14:12<aycko>venkatesh: you can also check out the web front-end. go to www.debian.org and check out the packages link
14:12<aycko>venkatesh: there u can specify easily what and where to search.
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14:24<LOKO3POKO>boa atrde a todos?
14:24<azeem>!pt
14:24<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:24<LOKO3POKO>?
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14:28<LOKO3POKO>cade a massa
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14:29<LOKO3POKO>alguem de Santa Catarina
14:30<azeem>!pt
14:30<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:35<posix>Where can I find a list published on the web with the contents of Etch's predefined software collections?
14:36<dondelelcaro>posix: what do you mean by "predefined software collections"?
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14:36<posix>the packages that are offered at install-time
14:36<Berge>posix: packages.debian.org
14:36<posix>Desktop environment, Web server, Print server, etc
14:36<dondelelcaro>posix: all packages are offered at install time
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14:36<Berge>posix: But as dondelelcaro says, that's all of them.
14:37<jesperj>I am trying to get my wifi card and router to work. It uses rt61 chipset and I am following the intructions here http://suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=30424 (although I use Debian). After "insmod rt61.ko" (which works) and I try to "modprobe rt61" modprobe can not find the module. Nor is it listed when I do "modprobe -l". the file is in /lib/modules/mykernelversion/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
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14:37<jesperj>lsmod shows the module loaded
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14:37<Berge>posix: You could take a look at tasksel if you want a selection of packages for a certain use. Gnome, for instance.
14:38<jesperj>and also rt61pci which I guess is some ...other module for the card I might have tried to install earlier
14:38<posix>I want to know what gets installed when 'File server' gets checked
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14:38<jesperj>but still, the modules is not found my modprobe although it is insmodded
14:38<J-roen>Hi, my temporary files in /tmp are never deleted. How can I turn on automatic garbage collection?
14:38<jesperj>anyone know how it can be that modprobe does not find the module?
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14:40<Berge>posix: ah. Perhaps look in the tasksel documentation? I don't know, I'm afraid.
14:40<posix>cool, thanks :)
14:40<Berge>Good question, actually.
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14:41<dondelelcaro>posix: grep-aptavail -FTask: file-server; FE.
14:41<posix>oO
14:41<Berge>dondelelcaro: Ah, great. Thanks.
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14:44<posix>thank you as well don
14:44<posix>donde
14:45<posix>dondel
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15:19<brislingf>hi all, anyone got expirence in perl-DBI packages?
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15:19<dondelelcaro>brislingf: best to just ask your question
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15:21<chaoticmass>Installing Etch with a Adaptec AAA-131U2 SCSI controller with a RAID1 configured. The installer shows the two physical drives but not the logical RAID1 device.
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15:27<dondelelcaro>chaoticmass: AFAIK, no one has gotten that controller to work. In fact, I'm not entirely sure that it's actually a hardware raid card
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15:31<brislingf>oki ive got this script that i want to load through apache2 httpd.conf that uses the perl DBI packeges
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15:32<brislingf>the results is a failure, i have uploadet the script and result to http://pastebin.com/d758f1174
15:32<Villarroel>Hi!
15:33<brislingf>what packages have i forgot to install/load
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15:39<brislingf>??
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15:42<dondelelcaro>brislingf: first off, you're not checking to see if you've actually connected to a database at all
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15:43<brislingf>sry for my little knowlegde, how do i do that ?
15:43<dondelelcaro>brislingf: second, you don't check whether you've got a valid statement handle after prepare, nor do you check to see whether execute returns a valid result or not
15:44<weasel>dondelelcaro: but what could possibly go wrong! :)
15:44<dondelelcaro>everything! ;-)
15:45<brislingf>and know iam confused
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15:46<brislingf>so please enlighten me :)
15:46<weasel>brislingf: it's now. and I'm or I am. proper spelling helps.
15:46<brislingf>yes i know... what can i do to test this things for an more specified error ?
15:47<brislingf>things = script
15:47<weasel>check the return values of all the stuff you call.
15:47<seanius>brislingf: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=perl+dbi+tutorial
15:48<brislingf>thx i look into it
15:48<brislingf>:9
15:48<brislingf>:)
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15:49<Tydor>i can change the grub for lilo?
15:50<Supaplex>yup
15:50<dondelelcaro>though it's not particularly recommended
15:52<seanius>and you'll probably make your system unbootable once or twice before you get it just right
15:52<seanius>or at least that usually happens with me :)
15:52<Tydor>and...i'm newbie xD
15:52<jae>Dangit... why's it only 14 days (at most) of pdiffs? My Packages is less than 2 months old, and yes, that would (likely) be less to download than a whole Packages.bz2 (I'm stuck behind a *slow* 56k modem)
15:53<Tydor>i can can change the seconds in grub? 5 seconds for choose is not much
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15:54<dondelelcaro>Tydor: yes
15:55<dondelelcaro>Tydor: you can even make it wait forever, if you want.
15:55<Tydor>O.O you can tell me how?
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15:57<dondelelcaro>Tydor: just change timeout to an appropriately large numer (in /boot/grub/menu.lst)
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15:58<Tydor>thanks
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16:01<deb_ring>hi
16:02<deb_ring>where can i find help about flashing bios ?? thanks
16:02<Supaplex>you want to moon your bios? kinky...
16:02<Supaplex>try the website of your mainboard vendor
16:03<qbit>haha
16:05<deb_ring>is there anybody who had already done this hind of operations ?
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16:05[~]qbit always does it from a floppy ... but that is pretty old school
16:06<deb_ring>qbit : what if i don't have floppy drive ?
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16:07<qbit>i put one in :D
16:07<lupine_85>they usually give you an executable you need to run in real mode
16:07<deb_ring>qbit : ;-)
16:08<deb_ring>qbit : i mean is it possible to flash the bios without floppy ?
16:08<lupine_85>A FreeDOS ISO would do the trick, I'd imagine
16:08<qbit>yep
16:08<qbit>that works too
16:08<lupine_85>although, get it wrong and lose the motherboard
16:09<lupine_85>generally, you shouldn't flash the bios unless there's a specific bug that's affecting you that the upgrade removes
16:09<deb_ring><lupine_85> i forgot my bios password !!
16:09<deb_ring><lupine_85> that's why
16:10<qbit>pull the watch battery out
16:10<qbit>and unplug everything from your computer
16:10<qbit>.. that will learn it
16:10<qbit>!
16:10<deb_ring>qbit : it's a laptop !!
16:11<qbit>makes it a bit harder
16:12<qbit>bios update prolly won't change the password for ya :)
16:12<lupine_85>bios update won't, no
16:12<deb_ring>so ??
16:12<lupine_85>you need to clear the NVRAM somehow
16:13<qbit>pull the battery
16:13<deb_ring>how can i do that ?
16:13<lupine_85>remove the battery; set a jumper; use a vendor-supplied utility; take it to a repair shop
16:13<qbit>take it apart
16:13<deb_ring>qbit : and ?
16:13<lupine_85>it's not really a debian issue ;)
16:13<qbit>pull the smaller battery
16:14<qbit>or brute force the passwd :P
16:14<qbit>with your fingers
16:14<deb_ring>qbit : is there a limit for password tries ?
16:14<qbit>probably not
16:15<lupine_85>never been a limit on any bios I've ever seen
16:15<lupine_85>laptop bioses can be weird, though
16:16<qbit>is it a dell laptop?
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16:17<deb_ring>qbit : a fujitsu siemens series S6120D
16:17<deb_ring>qbit : a fujitsu siemens series S6120D Lifebook
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16:19<qbit>maybe sitting on the keyboard whilst it boots would do it : P
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16:35<Wojtek>Hiya gang
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16:51<ranix>I had never seen a nic fried from a power surge before
16:51<ranix>:(
16:51<ranix>I hope I never do again
16:52<ranix>in related news, today was gay
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16:52<noflash> /ignore -replies ranix
16:53<ranix>noflash: the only thing better than a retard is a retard who feels the need to inform people that a retard is ignoring them
16:53<ChanOp>Hello friends
16:53<weasel>hello color abusing ircname setter :)
16:53<ranix>seriously that should be against the rules
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16:54<ChanOp>hi weasel :))
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16:55<petemc>ranix: some of the words you use, like gay and retard, they're not very.. politically correct..
16:55<gypson>what is the political correct version of gay?
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16:55<ranix>I don't think there is one
16:55<petemc>gay is fine, in context
16:56<ranix>my brother is a gay
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16:58<ayecee>"he prefers the company of men"
16:59<weasel>my, aren't we on-topic this evening
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16:59<seanius>i don't think it's appropriate to use terms like "gay" in a derogatory sense in this channel
16:59<d4r1os>hi all
16:59<ranix>weasel: we can't talk about Ubuntu here?
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17:00<ayecee>"this program prefers the company of men."
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17:00<ranix>zing
17:00<ayecee>there we go, perfectly PC.
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17:03<seanius>assuming that the program had a male gender... but still if used as a pejorative i don't think it's appropriate
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17:16<Th|sD|cK>does anybody run nessus 3.06 on debian etch amd64!?
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17:17<Wojtek>Hi gang
17:17<Wojtek>I recently bought a laptop with a shiney Core 2 Duo processor
17:17<Wojtek>and now I have a decision to make, either install the x86 distro or the amd64 one
17:17<Wojtek>which would be better?
17:18<Methamphetamine>amd64 imo
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17:18<Wojtek>I'm not afraid of the small compatibility issues from amd64 like flash and such stuff as I've read that there's the possibility to run some selected aps
17:18<Wojtek>in 32bit mode so it's all good
17:18<Wojtek>yeah thought so
17:18<Methamphetamine>flash can run on amd64
17:18<Methamphetamine>you just need nspluginwrapper also
17:18<Wojtek>oh so it's fixed now ?
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17:19<Wojtek>what's the nspluginwrapper ?
17:19<Th|sD|cK>hahaha Wojtek orsu'
17:19<Wojtek>what ? :)
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17:19<Th|sD|cK>go away hahaha
17:19<Th|sD|cK>:-p
17:19<Methamphetamine>allows 32 bit plugins to run on 64 bit
17:19<Methamphetamine>i think it's only in unstable though
17:19<Wojtek>uuuummm what's your problem Th|sD|cK ?
17:20<Th|sD|cK>no problem
17:20<Th|sD|cK>i think you're joke
17:20<Th|sD|cK>sorry
17:20<Wojtek>so ?
17:20<Wojtek>nah I'm not
17:20<Th|sD|cK>ok :-p
17:20<Wojtek>if it's my nick then yeah, it's my first name :) I'm from Poland
17:20<Th|sD|cK>i'm from Italy
17:20<Wojtek>nice ;d
17:20<Th|sD|cK>LOL
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17:20<Wojtek>I thought you were Polish and making fun of me for being so lame as using my name as my nick lol
17:20<Wojtek>me and my problems
17:21<Wojtek>Methamphetamine: which plugins ?
17:21<Th|sD|cK>i' was in Poland...drawsko pomoskie..ok talk debian
17:21<Wojtek>no probs, I've been using unstable for quite some time now and it's not so Unstable now
17:21<Methamphetamine>i only used it for flash
17:21<Wojtek>oh okay then
17:21<Methamphetamine>if you install flash with apt it'll install nspluginwrapper as a dependency if you have 64 bit
17:22<Wojtek>nice! that's why I like apt and the deb repos ;)
17:22<Wojtek>Th|sD|cK: oh so you were in my home region, nice
17:23<Wojtek>I just would like to get the most out of my setup
17:23<Wojtek>that's the whole deal behind i386 and amd64 :)
17:23<Wojtek>I like debian and wouldn't want to migrate to some shitty or not so well supported distros with 686 repos ... like arch or gentoo
17:24<Wojtek>so thanks Methamphetamine, you've brought me new hope :P
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17:24<Methamphetamine>gentoo's shitty? :p
17:26<dondelelcaro>for the most part there really isn't a point to compiling things as i686; in the few cases where there is, it's already done
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17:27<Wojtek>Methamphetamine: well if you look on the shit that emerge makes then yes it is :)
17:28<Wojtek>as a desktop distro IMO
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17:28<Lin>hi there. how can I give priority to a repository server instead another. In my environment I have a local server and the official server, I want to dowload packages from local server if versions are same.
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17:28<aycko>Lin: just put it fist
17:28<Wojtek>int sources.list
17:28<Wojtek>*in
17:29<Lin>aycko: I have done it.
17:29<Wojtek>so no probs ?
17:29<aycko>then make an update
17:29<aycko>;)
17:29<Lin>aycko: I have done it too
17:29<Lin> 1.5.0-11-1ubuntu2 0
17:29<Lin> 500 http://192.168.9.1 ./ Packages
17:29<Lin> 500 http://10.1.1.203 feisty/multiverse Packages
17:29<Lin>output of apt-cache policy
17:29<Methamphetamine>you have to pin also
17:30<formorer>this is not #ubuntu
17:30<Methamphetamine>and ^
17:30<aycko>;)
17:30<aycko>they got u
17:30<Lin>formorer: this is not a ubuntu matter. this is apt-get. my server is a debian ;-)
17:31<Wojtek>Methamphetamine: any other things that I should watch out with amd64 ?
17:31<aycko>Lin: so there are teh same versions of the package on both servers?
17:31<Lin>I can change the package name ;-) I know that ubuntu users are lame and lazy.
17:31<Wojtek>I'll be sure to read the debian amd64 faq
17:31<Lin>aycko: yes theu are as told on apt-cache policy
17:31<Lin> Candidate: 1.5.0-11-1ubuntu2
17:32<dondelelcaro>Lin: the point is that you are getting packages from fiesty, not from Debian.
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17:32<dondelelcaro>Lin: if you want us to help you, you need to be using Debian packages.
17:32<Methamphetamine>well i haven't actually tested java but everything i have works fine
17:32<dondelelcaro>Lin: but in any event, you can use pinning to do that. man apt_preferences;
17:32<Wojtek>well java is kinda a key thing for me as I program in this language
17:33<Wojtek>but I haven't found anything bad about java in 64bit so it should be ok
17:33<aycko>Wojtek: who does not?
17:33<Wojtek>many peeps :)
17:33<Lin>dondelelcaro: I just want to know how can I prefer a server instead another. Is not about ubuntu packages (IMHO).
17:34<dondelelcaro>Lin: they're prefered in the order in which they are present in sources.list
17:34<aycko>Lin: dondelelcaro says the truth ;)
17:34<dondelelcaro>Lin: ceteris paribus.
17:36<Wojtek>one other thing
17:36<Wojtek>does the amd64 repo have a lot less packages than the i386 one ?
17:36<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: no
17:37<dondelelcaro>Wojtek: for the most part, the packages are exactly the same (as it is with all release architectures)
17:37<Wojtek>oh
17:37<Methamphetamine>i believe it's a requirement for debian to have compiled packages for all the archs they support
17:37<Wojtek>oh right forgot about that
17:37<dondelelcaro>it's not a requirement, but it's an assumption that release architectures will compile almost everything
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17:37<Wojtek>shit that's what does to one when he reads about repo diffs in other distros
17:38<Wojtek>even better then :) thanks
17:38<dondelelcaro>(release architectures generally must compile everything that has been compiled for them in the past)
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17:39<Methamphetamine>well the java environment in a web browser works, though i guess if you're programming for it it won't really matter
17:40<Wojtek>yeah, writing some GUI apps from time to time
17:40<Wojtek>I'm not into java applets for the web ... at least not yet ;)
17:40<Wojtek>but I'll ask around later on
17:40<Wojtek>just to be sure
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17:44<aycko>dondelelcaro: does it actually matter what branch it is?
17:44<Lin>dondelelcaro: I have a cascade environment. I have 3 official sources, official repository (debian or ubuntu), global repository (on datacenter, mirroed from debian/ubuntu), local repository for every company brench (using apt-cache), this happens on every computer, debian or not. Right now I'm solving a problem with a remote ubuntu desktop computer, that is the reason for post a ubuntu package. I will double check everything. And thank you.
17:44<aycko>Lin: i am not quite sure but u could look into the branches
17:44<aycko>Lin: i "guess" main is prefered to unstable and co
17:44<Lin>aycko: I was talking about my company brenchs not debian repository brenches, sorry if I could not say in the right way. im not a native english speaker.
17:45<aycko>are there actually any tests on what the absolute minimum requirement for a proper debian installation is?
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17:46<Wojtek>another one from the amd64 topic... what about Wine and such apps? working properly in 64bit too ?
17:47<dondelelcaro>Lin: what you really should be doing is using apt-proxy or similar isntead.
17:47<dondelelcaro>Lin: and pointing (from each branch office) it at your central global repository
17:48<dondelelcaro>Lin: then you mirror to update the global repository whenever you have vetted that the changes made to Debian's repository are kosher.
17:48<dondelelcaro>Lin: then your machines only point at the local apt-proxy (or whatever) repository
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17:51<solarflux>Anyone know if it's possible to export a dvd burner and burn data from another computer onto that dvd?
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17:52<Supaplex>solarflux: ala ssh+sudo? genisofs ... | ssh burner sudo growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=-
17:52<ChanOp>is debian stable as compare to ubuntu drapper ?
17:53<Supaplex>ChanOp: the QA lifecycle isn't rushed. so yes.
17:53<solarflux>Well, I was hoping to mount the dvd via nfs.
17:54<Methamphetamine>i don't think there's a amd64 wine in the repos, though there is on winehq (it's under ubuntu packages but it works fine, for some reason it isn't under debian)
17:54<ChanOp>Supaplex : Can i ask you , any solid reason ?
17:54<dondelelcaro>Methamphetamine: there is, actually
17:54<Supaplex>ChanOp: they borrow heavily from sid+testing w/o fixing all the bugs in bts?
17:54<dondelelcaro>Methamphetamine: but not in etch, it's in >= testing
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17:55<Methamphetamine>oh, i only got the packages from winehq cause they have the latest versions for it
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17:56<Methamphetamine>and i am using sid
17:56<Supaplex>Methamphetamine: look at the 'dists' directory in the winehq repo. I think they carry all.
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17:58<Supaplex>is there any tool to automate burning+verifying large amounts of data to dvd?
17:58<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: you can fairly easily do so with a shell script
17:58<Methamphetamine>i don't use the winehq repo, i just dl the package in the winehq archive, i guess i should use the winehq repo though
17:59<Supaplex>I have about 90GB. all file are less than 2gb, and there's about 30files per dvd or less. but I'd like to cram as much on each disk as should fit
17:59<ChanOp>Supaplex : I agree you :)
17:59<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: in theory yes :)
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18:00<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: something like cd pathtoburn; find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 md5sum > ../md5sum_file; growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -J -r .; mount /cdrom; cd /cdrom; md5sum --check pathtoburn/../md5sum_file;
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18:02<Supaplex>yup. I was hoping for an existing wheel already is all. :)
18:02<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: well, it's so trivial that I don't know if someone has bothered to write it
18:03<Supaplex>it gets less trivial when 20 dvds are involved :P
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18:03<Supaplex>a little anyway. I have a one liner in my history for burning them, but not for cloning the directory structs etc
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18:04[~]Supaplex considers -path-list
18:05<dondelelcaro>Supaplex: well, you can fairly easily abstract out my example to an infinite number of DVDs
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18:05<seanius>Supaplex: you could also use tar+split
18:06<dondelelcaro>oh; you're talking about making a backup onto DVD of a directory structure which would span 20 dvds
18:06<seanius>like tar cvfz yourdir
18:06<seanius>like tar cvfz yourdir | split - backups
18:06<Supaplex>they're already in dump formats (and split)
18:07<seanius>why not just split them into dvd-sized chunks then?
18:07<Supaplex>split evenly so 4 chunks will fit (with 100mb of margin or so) onto one disc
18:07<Supaplex>I think I'll use -path-list to cherry pick files in each span
18:08<seanius>but if you're already splitting them, why not just tell split that the max size is a dvd iso image size?
18:09<Supaplex>because 2gb is the max file size, and 1160000000 bytes so happens to fit four nicely
18:09<Supaplex>I had a tablecoaster because 4.1gb was too big for the first disc. so far these are working ok
18:09<seanius>dvd iso's can't handle file sizes > 2GB? huh...
18:10<Supaplex>and there were only 15 files or so on that disc
18:10<Supaplex>some dump images are naturally smaller =)
18:10<dondelelcaro>seanius: they can handle files into about the 4G range, but mkisofs --udf is broken for > 32bit
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18:13<M_Jack>someone know why Metacity is't work???
18:14<Supaplex>elaborate
18:15<Supaplex>!tell M_Jack -about don't work
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18:25<bob_1>hallo
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18:39<mav>where can i get the osx toolbar clone for flux box?
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18:47<chaoticmass>Finished installing Etch on a Mylex 1100 (DAC960 Driver, Real BIOS RAID 1), everything went fine and GRUB installed. When the system boots I don't get any GRUB or display on the screen, just a cursor on the bottom left. Any ideas?
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18:53<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: find * -type f | perl -ne 'chomp;@S=stat $_;if (($j+=$S[7])>4700*(1000**2)){$j-=$S[7];print STDERR "$j\n\n";$j=$S[7];};print "$S[7]\t$_\n"'
18:53<Supaplex>:)
18:55<dondelelcaro>chaoticmass: that usually means that grub isn't starting for whatever reason
18:55<dondelelcaro>chaoticmass: did you install grub to the mbr?
18:58[~]Supaplex does a little find2perl merge-fu
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19:02<semprix>hello guys anyone have luck with 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
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19:07<semprix>abrotman,
19:07<abrotman>hi
19:07<semprix>its me semprix
19:07<semprix>from freenode. hehe
19:07<semprix>dude 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
19:07<semprix>need help with that sound card
19:08[~]Supaplex discovers no_chdir => 1 and regains sanity
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19:08<semprix>any idea?
19:08<mav__>how do i check which/if any c compilers are installed on my system?
19:09<semprix>how can i get this thing running
19:09<semprix>mav__, gcc -v
19:10<mav__>will apt-get automaticall creat the $PATH ?
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19:12<Supaplex>mav__: they're installed in /usr/bin so it's in the path anyway
19:12<mav__>ok
19:12<mav__>im trying to install a program from source, when i ./configure it tells me gcc cant create executables?
19:13<Supaplex>which program from source?
19:13<Supaplex>there might be debs for it already. otherwise consider build-essential
19:13<mav__>avant-window-manager
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19:13<mav__>i didnt get anything in apt-cache
19:14<Supaplex>!+info build-essential etch
19:14<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
19:14<dpkg>build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.3 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
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19:14<mav__>is that just ./configure buil-essential?
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19:15<Supaplex>apt-get install build-essential && ./configure
19:15<semprix>apt-get install build essentials
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19:15<tamtam>hi, does anyone know where to make the background of the desktop-icon-fonts in kde transparent? i can't find it anymore.
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19:16<abrotman>semprix: /msg dpkg hcl and go to the kmuto website .. it has instructions
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19:16<blarson>mav__: What does "which gcc" show?
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19:18<mav__> /usr/bin/gcc
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19:20<abrotman>ls -l `which gcc`
19:20<semprix>abrotman, snd-hda-intel
19:20<semprix>how do i get that driver
19:20<abrotman>are you on etch ?
19:20<semprix>yep etch
19:20<abrotman>!find snd-hda-intel etch
19:20<dpkg>Debian Search of 'snd-hda-intel' (3 of 9): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686.
19:20<abrotman>guess you just modprobe it
19:21<semprix>i already did modprobe it
19:21<semprix>nothing comes up
19:22<abrotman>lsmod | grep intel
19:22<semprix>snd_hda_intel 16788 0
19:23<semprix>http://pastebin.ca/657652
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19:23<semprix>complete list
19:23<mav__>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 <todays date and time> /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.1
19:24<mav__>gcc version 4.1.3
19:26<frank>semprix: tried calling alsaconf?
19:26<semprix>frank, yes i already did
19:26<acu>I am trying to use Ekiga (Gnome-Meeting) and I have some issues connecting out of the firewall - it connects but it cuts of in few secs while in intranet is OK - I opened all possible ports plus DMZ but still the same simptoms - however I wanted to update to latest Ekiga and some of the libraries are newer than those in Debian Repositories - can I dpkg the deb files and they will overwrite the existing ones updating the system (e.g libpt-plugins-4L
19:26<acu> etc) ?
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19:28<semprix>frank, No supported PnP or PCI card found
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19:32<semprix>abrotman, any idea?
19:33<abrotman>semprix: i'd ask #alsa on irc.freenode.net
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19:50<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: looks like I have a halfway ok working genisoimage-path-lists script now =) testing ...
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20:15<d0t-bat>Anyone know much about bcrelay? (broadcast relayer)
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20:16<Supaplex>~lart genisoimage -path-list
20:16[~]dpkg rm -rf's genisoimage -path-list
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20:26<docdiggens>Hello, I've installed WoW via crossover, and when I log in most of the screen has a black bar spanning my monitor, I can see the game running beneath the bar, and I can view the compass and menu, any tips?
20:27<Supaplex>contact crossover. it's not debian maintained. (nor is it even winehq maintained)
20:27<Waddledee>That sounds like a Crossover question, not a Debian question. That said, maybe someone can help you? *shrugs*
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21:06<mav__>is there a shell tbat has tabs?
21:06<Supaplex>aterm (I think), konsole
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21:12<dondelelcaro>better to use a WM with tabs, though.
21:12<klys>gterm has tabs, and you cah modify the keybindings for them
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21:23<pvl>anyone know how to get microphones working?
21:25<dli>!tell pvl about anyone
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21:27<klys>pvl: get a $100 usb mixer, I lave a Lexicon Alpha
21:28<pvl>klys at this point i doubt even that will work
21:28<klys>pvl: the xlr cable is available at radioshack, and you can get a $40 mic there too
21:28<klys>pvl: for trouble with usb, modprobe ?hci_hcd
21:29<klys>where ? == u/o/e
21:29<pvl>i think its my driver. i had all this working on my laptop with ac97
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21:30[~]klys would assist you with midi but not a mic
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22:24<GhostlyDeath>why the hell does the sleep button hibernate my pc?
22:25<Nyle>it doesn't like you
22:25<Nyle> ;)
22:25<Nyle>I can't get hibernation or sleeping to work
22:26<GhostlyDeath>I got them both working
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22:26<GhostlyDeath>hey cool, I remapped my useless Windows key in Linux to Meta and now I can do all these key combos
22:27<GhostlyDeath>WinKey+R is Run again! yay
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22:29<klys>ghostlydeath: are you doing this with xmodmap or at the tty?
22:29<GhostlyDeath>except Locking the screen with it does not work for some reason
22:29<GhostlyDeath>GNOME
22:29<klys>k
22:29<GhostlyDeath>What is Meta Super and Hyper?
22:30<vander>GhostlyDeath: use "xev" to view if your button of locking screen is detected.
22:31<GhostlyDeath>what do I look for?
22:31<vander>GhostlyDeath: first open a terminal window
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22:31<vander>GhostlyDeath: then type: xev
22:31<GhostlyDeath>yeah I did that
22:31<GhostlyDeath>I'm not stupid
22:32<GhostlyDeath>the stuff flies by fast
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22:32<vander>GhostlyDeath: sorry
22:33<GhostlyDeath>doesnt seem to like l
22:33<GhostlyDeath>but Meta_L+K works fine
22:33<vander>GhostlyDeath: then you will know you have to press "lockin screen button" in that window to see if machine resopnd to key
22:34<GhostlyDeath>In the keyboard shortcut tab, the only ones that work are
22:34<GhostlyDeath>Switch Workspaces Win+1,2,3,4 Terminal Win+T Run Win+R
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22:36<GhostlyDeath>Hide all windows with Win+D works too....
22:36<GhostlyDeath>show menu Win+Esc
22:36<vander>I guess you know that you have to configure you keyboard map.
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22:37<GhostlyDeath>I could try restarting
22:37<vander>GhostlyDeath: restart xwindow session.
22:38<GhostlyDeath>Ctrl+Alt+Backspace?
22:38<GhostlyDeath>but every child will be killed
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22:39<klys>ghostlydeath: time out. you using irssi?
22:39<GhostlyDeath>no
22:39<GhostlyDeath>XChat-GNOME
22:40<klys>apt-get install irssi-text screen
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22:42<vander>anyone knows if there is a program for linux that do things like autoit in windows?...
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22:44<klys>expect, xautomation
22:44<vander>http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/
22:45<vander>klys: thank you.
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22:45<vander>klys: I see expect before, but for edit config files and things like that.
22:46<vander>klys: well I remember something like this.
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22:47<GhostlyDeath>binds still dont work for those
22:48<vander>GhostlyDeath: you restart you machine to see if keybinding work?
22:48<GhostlyDeath>well
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22:48<GhostlyDeath>I was forced to
22:48<GhostlyDeath>my PC froze when I tried going to tty2
22:49<vander>GhostlyDeath: mmmhhh, bad thing.
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22:50<vander>see if you have hardware problem like a hard disk not responding, is a rare thing linux froze
22:50<GhostlyDeath>hmm
22:51<GhostlyDeath>I changed Launch Web Browser to Ctrl+Alt+W and it worked
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22:51<Larks>can someone give me some pointers on a good benchmarking utility
22:51<GhostlyDeath>But when it is Mod4+W it does not work
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22:52<klys>larks: help test
22:52<Larks>I have just built a core 2 quad q6600 running etch 2.6.18-4-amd64 that seems to be dragging
22:52<Larks>klys: you mean channel help test?
22:53<klys>no, $ help test
22:53<klys>time
22:53<klys>$ help time
22:53<klys>'scuse me
22:53<vander>Larks: did you need a benchmark utility?
22:54<Larks>vander: just trying to figure out why things are moving slowly
22:54<klys>larks: ifup lo
22:54<vander>Larks: like what things?
22:54<Larks>its up.
22:55<Larks>vander: well... boots slow... login takes about 15 secs to verfy username root and 10 secs to verify password
22:55<vander>Larks: for login did you mean ssh conection?
22:56<Larks>any suggestions?
22:56<Larks>no
22:57<Larks>vander: no, not network.... just boot up and log in. not running x atm.
22:57<vander>Larks: well, then your time is very very bad
22:57<Larks>vander: thats what I am saying ;)
22:57<Larks>vander: need to have a strategy to debug this beast.
22:58<vander>Larks: dmesg don't tell you nothing relevant?
22:58<klys>less /var/log/messagews
22:58<Larks>vander: nothing relevant no.
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22:58<klys>less /var/log/messages
22:58<klys>top
22:59<Larks>top
22:59<Larks>oops wrong keyboard ;)
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23:00<Larks>is there something I can do to "quantify" my slow up?
23:01<simonrvn>shoot some quarks at it
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23:01<klys>larks: time
23:02<Larks>klys:time gives me real 0 user 0 sys 0
23:02<vander>Larks: with top don't see nothing wrong?
23:02<klys>time ls
23:02<klys>from top: what has the most %mem ?
23:02<Larks>vander: no looks good, using hardly nothing.
23:03<Larks>top shows most mem is 0%
23:03<vander>%cpu?
23:04<klys>cat /proc/swaps
23:04<Larks>where is %cpu?
23:04<klys>top
23:04<klys>left
23:04<klys>;)
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23:05<Larks>i see Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.9%id, 0.1%wa,0.0%hi,0.0%si0.0%st
23:06<vander>Larks: try "free" to see about memory
23:06<klys>id == idle
23:06<Larks>cat /proc/swaps /dev/sde3 3992144 7240 -1
23:06<klys>sweet
23:06<klys>you must have some delay in nss or with pam
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23:07<Larks>klys: your over my head ;)
23:07<Larks>I am going to jump on with the other comp so I can post some stuff
23:07<klys>larks: login uses pam to consult /etc/shadow for your hash. nss is a system for resolving names
23:07<Larks>one sec.
23:08<vander>mmhh... yes, may be pam
23:08<Larks>klys: ok.
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23:09<vander>klys: when you try ssh to a host, and then this delay about 20 secs to prompt for user and password
23:09<klys>could be a network delay if it's just ssh
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23:09<klys>likely, though, it's your host. netstat -a
23:09<vander>klys: rare thing is it have no delay (well a very short one) with one server running sarge
23:10<vander>klys: and when other server running etch in same network it do that
23:10<klys>are you running vmware/bochs/kvm/uml ?
23:10<vander>klys: nop
23:10<Larks2>what am I looking for in netstat?
23:10<vander>klys: in every etch installation I do, I have the same thing.
23:11<klys>oh, hostname
23:11<klys>hostname -f
23:11<klys>edit /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts
23:11<Larks2>oops thought you guys were still talking to me :)
23:12<Larks2>I can post results now
23:12<klys>/etc/hosts should have a line like this: 127.0.0.1 65.8.101.72.dhcp.mstarmetro.net 65.8.101.72.dhcp localhost 65
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23:12<klys>this is mine, I'm behind a router though
23:12<Larks>i know a bit about debian networking... what is the problem vander?
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23:13<klys>larks2: I am
23:13<vander>Larks: with ssh, when I connect from other host with ssh, it take 20 secs to prompt for login and password.
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23:14<k-man>hello
23:14<k-man>i just did a netinst
23:14<klys>vander: it's having trouble resolving the hostname
23:14<k-man>but grub fails to boot
23:14<Larks>try with ip
23:14<k-man>it shows me a blank entry
23:14<Larks>static ip correct?
23:14<k-man>and when i select it, it doesn't boot
23:14<vander>klys: but I connect with IP address not machine name.
23:15<vander>and /etc/hosts have this line: 127.0.1.1 LinStar
23:15<klys>k-man: you may have inspired my nick back in 2001
23:15<Larks>vander: how fast is network?
23:15<vander>and /etc/hostname have this: LinStar
23:15<k-man>klys: really?
23:15<klys>yeah d00d
23:15<k-man>are we old mates?
23:15<klys>well, I've been here a bit
23:16<k-man>yeah.. me too
23:16<vander>Larks: believe me, network is not the problem, is fast, even I connect to a remote server not in LAN and with that is very fast
23:16<k-man>since about 2000 i have been k-man
23:16<k-man>i was krusty before that
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23:16<klys>hmm:)
23:16<k-man>i wanted something a little less suggestive
23:16<k-man>why did it inspire your nick?
23:17<klys>because it was short, I guess
23:17<vander>Larks: it only take about 20 secs to prompt for login and password, then everything is fast.
23:18<klys>vander: for a better hostname, traceroute out of your private network
23:18<klys>then host i.p.i.p
23:18<klys>use that as your fqdn
23:18<k-man>where do the debian installer people hang out?
23:19<klys>#debian-boot (or ask me)
23:19<klys>k-man: see /boot/grub/menu.lst
23:19<k-man>klys: ok, i'm just booting to rescue mode
23:19<klys>k-man: you mean, single (kernel parameter) ?
23:19<klys>or do you want bash straight up?
23:20<Larks>vander: just for kicks.... rm /etc/hosts.allow && rm/etc/hosts.deny (but only if you don't have any in there you care about)
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23:21<vander>Larks: there is only comments
23:21<vander>Larks: I do connection with ssh only to a IP address not to a hostname to resolve.
23:21<Larks>vander: are you ssh to the network address or hostname?
23:21<k-man>klys, booted in rescue mode, but /boot is empty
23:21<vander>Larks: yes same network
23:22<k-man>klys: either it wasn't created or its not mounted
23:22<klys>k-man: what partition do you usually mount, er, mount /boot
23:22<Larks>vander: hostname or address?
23:22<vander>Larks: address
23:22<k-man>klys: its a new install
23:22<klys>k-man, before you mount -o remount /, mount /proc
23:22<k-man>klys: i chose advanced setup with /var and /home and /usr on different partitions
23:22<Larks>vander: both linux machines?
23:23<k-man>klys: proc is mounted
23:23<vander>Larks: yes, both debian
23:23<Larks>vander: is same lag if you ssh from the other machine back?
23:23<vander>Larks: but with other debian I have in a remote network (internet) and running sarge it do right.
23:24<vander>Larks: I don't take time precisely, but I guess one take more time than other about 5 secs
23:24<k-man>klys: ah, it wasn't mounted.. i have mounted boot now
23:25<Larks>vander: have you checked the routing table?
23:25<Larks>vander: route -N
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23:25<k-man>klys: hmmm.. there is no menu.lst in /boot/grub
23:25<klys>k-man: then you have no menu. want mine?
23:25<k-man>klys: i should also say that this setup lvm based
23:26<Larks>dpkg-reconfigure grub?
23:26<k-man>can I just rerun the grub configuration somehow?
23:26<Larks>no question mark ;)
23:26<klys>k-man: you'll have to say everything related to your kernel commandline in menu.lst
23:26<vander>Larks: its see right, problem is only when connect with ssh, delay to prompt login.
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23:27<Larks>either dpkg-reconfigure grub, or apt-get --purge remove grub and apt-get install grub
23:27<vander>Larks: everithing like http, samba and other services work fine
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23:27<klys>zendurl.com/klys/menu.lst
23:27<Larks>vander: is it to just display the first login prompt, or even to verify username and password?
23:28<k-man>klys: but why didn't it get created originaly?
23:28<k-man>something must be wrong
23:28<vander>Larks: only to prompt login, then it take no delay time
23:28<klys>k-man: installing grub is a participatory ordeal
23:28<vander>Larks: (I'am from 192.168.0.5), ssh -l 192.168.0.10 and then wait 20 secs
23:28<k-man>i mean...
23:28<Focher>any raid / mbadm experts here ?
23:29<k-man>i dunno what i mean
23:29<klys>you just want the /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst.gz file?
23:29<Larks>vander: try to ssh username@address and quickly typ password before you see anything, see if it logs you in.
23:29<vander>Larks: then prompt login: I type the name, and enter, then with no delay it prompt for password
23:29<k-man>klys: are you asking me or telling me? i have no idea what I want
23:29<k-man>grub is a grey art to me
23:29<klys>k-man: wget mine and emacs menu.lst
23:29<vander>Larks: yes... sorry I do ssh -l username 192.168.0.10
23:29<k-man>maybe even a black art
23:29<gsimmons>Focher: Just go ahead and ask your question.
23:29<Focher>I had a RAID1 configuration that won't mount anymore but I see the RAID partitions on each drive. Is there a way to recover it or, as the data has not been touched on the drives, convert one of the drives to a standard ext2 partition?
23:30<vander>Larks: but even with scp, when I do scp filename username@192.168.0.10:trash/filename
23:30<k-man>klys, i get forbidden on that url
23:30<klys>k-man: try again...
23:30<vander>Larks: it take a long delay to prompt for login.
23:31<klys>zendurl is being scriptless tonite
23:31<Larks>vander: I was trying to debug and see if its truelly a lag in the ssh prompt or the time it takes you to see the prompt.
23:31<klys>if you still can't get it I'll post it somewhere else
23:32<k-man>klys: i chose to install grub2 at install time
23:32<k-man>maybe that was the wrong choice?
23:32<klys>k-man: well, use grub
23:32<klys>not grub2
23:32<klys>grub is stable and works at boot
23:32<vander>Larks: I was thinking in pam, in the form like authentificate
23:32<klys>grub2 I think requires dos
23:32<vander>Larks: there is other like password challange-response
23:32<Larks>vander: does ssh use pam however local login does not?
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23:33<k-man>ok, installed grub
23:33<Larks>vander: I have delay locally as well.
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23:33<klys>and won't always load linux, like if you qreboot back to grub, chainload dos, run grub2, and try to load a kernel it might not work
23:33<k-man>how do i reinstall the boot loader and stuff?
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23:33<k-man>ok, grub it is
23:33<vander>Larks: yes... I undestand you.
23:33<klys>k-man: man grub-install
23:33<Larks>vander: is you delay locally as well?
23:34<Larks>vander: *your
23:34<vander>Larks: no, locally there is no delay
23:34<klys>there might be a configfile...
23:34<klys>to map your harddrives to grub devices
23:35<klys>www.megapathdsl.net/~rachel/grub_.iso
23:35<Larks>vander: mine is just opposite.... locally delay, ssh no delay lol
23:35<klys>then copy stage1 and stage2 to /boot/grub
23:35<klys>from /lib/grub/i386-pc
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23:36<k-man>klys: was that url for me?
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23:36<vander>Larks: hehehehe :( we are brother of misfortune
23:36<klys>k-man: only if you want to boot the cd and install it that way
23:36<Larks2>times
23:36<Larks2>0m0.040s 0m0.052s
23:36<Larks2>0m6.704s 0m1.700s
23:37<Larks>times
23:37<Larks>0m0.048s 0m0.016s
23:37<Larks>0m0.036s 0m0.012s
23:37<Larks>that is the difference between my two comps.
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23:37<Larks>klys: does that tell you anything?
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23:38<klys>tells me that you can now post your times to a mailing list and someone important might reply
23:38<vander>mine have this: 0m0.276s 0m0.100s
23:38<vander>0m27.618s 0m4.360s
23:38<Larks>klys: lol... I thought you told me to run that ;P
23:38<klys>well, benchmarking? there you go
23:39<k-man>so how does the original menu.lst get created?
23:39<k-man>i installed grub, is there any way to test it before rebooting?
23:39<klys>you practically make it from scratch
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23:39<k-man>or at least get an idea if its going to work?
23:39<klys>k-man: burn the cd if there is doubt
23:39<Larks>cat /boot/grub/menu.list
23:40<k-man>no
23:40<k-man>menu.list is still missign
23:40<k-man>missign
23:40<k-man>missing even
23:40<klys>here, rename it to /boot/grub/menu.txt
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23:40<Larks>he says it doesn't even exist
23:40<klys>then tell the grub-install thing that it's menu.txt instead of menu.lst
23:40<k-man>no
23:40<klys>;)
23:40<k-man>but what do i put in that file?
23:41<klys>your menu
23:41<k-man>i just want the default debian one
23:41<Larks>there is no default
23:41<Larks>its made during install
23:41<k-man>ok
23:41<k-man>how do i remake it
23:41<k-man>?
23:41<klys>default=0 timeout=3 title=linux kernel=(hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23 vga=1
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23:41<k-man>is that it?
23:42<klys>the vga=1 is a kernel parameter
23:42<Larks>try this...
23:42<klys>it assumes you don't need an initrd
23:42<Larks>dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-$(uname -r)
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23:42<klys>oh, root=/dev/hda1
23:42<Larks>or are you running custom kernel?
23:42<Focher>does anyone know how to manually recreate the mdadm.conf file?
23:43<klys>so, kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23 root=/dev/hda1 vga=1
23:43<Larks>i think it goes in /etc/mdadm/ ;)
23:43<klys>you should be able to modify the values that I used as examples
23:43<Larks>Focher: I have mine I can post.
23:43<Focher>I am boooted to knoppix, so should be pretty straight forward
23:44<Focher>there is an mdadm.conf but I don't know how to get it to scan and add my raid1 info
23:44<Larks>Focher: mine says created by mkconf
23:44<Larks>man mdadm.conf
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23:45<Focher>reading the man now
23:46<klys>k-man: if menu.lst is wrong, type 'c' from grub and type the right commands by hand
23:46<klys>end with `boot'
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23:49<vander>klys: did you use xautomation or expect?
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23:50<vander>klys: can you give me some tip, or script you have?
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23:50<klys>vander: I suggested them from an apt-cache search query I ran, so, no
23:51<vander>klys: thank you anyway
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23:55<Larks>what is a good cpu load monitor?
23:55<klys>ask peterS, ElectricElf, dondelelcaro, simonrvn, or jm, these guys are smart enough they may have run expect before
23:55<Larks>wmcpuload (sucks :()
23:55<klys>~seen caphuso
23:55<dpkg>caphuso <n=caphuso@p54819620.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 579d 16h 44m 3s ago, saying: 'nerdy2: (ok, we do use sftp, but not in the ftp-over-ssl sense)'.
23:56<k-man>hmmm
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23:56<k-man>i can almost boot from the command line, i set root, kernel and initrd, but it hangs at "Begin: Waiting for root file system..."
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23:56<klys>what is root set to?
23:57<klys>I mean, in initrd /linuxrc
23:57<k-man>root.. (hd0,0)
23:57<Larks>k-man: are you sure you finished the installation?
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23:57<k-man>larks, well, it said i had and rebooted
23:57<klys>on the kernel commandline too
23:57<k-man>larks, something is screwy thats for sure
23:57<Larks>kman: it takes 15 mins for a base install.. just start over?
23:58<k-man>i guess i should
23:58<k-man>but won't it have to download all the files again?
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23:59<Larks>k-man do you not have a net install cd?
23:59<k-man>yeah
23:59<k-man>netinst
23:59<k-man>i have that
23:59<k-man>just reinstall that?
23:59<Larks>what is your connection?
23:59<klys>don't download all the files... do that later when you upgrade to sid
23:59<k-man>oh
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