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00:01<Zacariaz>well ill figure it out, thanks for your help, im outa here
00:01<kop>Requiem, Zacariaz : (Or you can always use aptitude/synaptic and have them change sources.list, but I always find the curses interface confusing and want to be able to leave myself comments in the file so I know why I did something when I come back 2 years later.)
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00:02<Zacariaz>ill be back im sure, take care
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00:30<Requiem>!lastlog rc5
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01:05<samoth13>cant you tell me what is wrong in my tables it' for redirec the irc port to my web port : ---> iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --sport 6667 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 80 iptables -t nat -I OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 6667 thanks for your help
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01:11<tcsetattr>how do you expect an IRC client to react when it connects to a quite unexpected HTTP server?
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01:14<samoth13>I can't used my http port with irc???
01:15<tcsetattr>well, you can use any protocol on any port, but it's very odd to use a well-known port like 80 or 6667 for something other than its well-known purpose.
01:15<tcsetattr>let me ask the big question: Why Are You Trying To Do That?
01:16<samoth13>for closed this 6667 ports
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01:17<tcsetattr>please speak in coherent sentences. you are trying to do something abnormal and if you can't explain your reasoning in detail, it's impossible to figure out.
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01:17<samoth13>whaou i'm sorry but my english is too bad
01:17<tcsetattr>what is your role? are you running an IRC server?
01:18<samoth13>no i'm newbee
01:19<tcsetattr>you still haven't explained what you're trying to do.
01:19<tcsetattr>I'm getting tired of trying to drag it out of you
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01:19<samoth13>bye i need to go too for find work
01:20<samoth13>good sleep
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01:37<Zacariaz>a quick question before i go to bed, ive descided that my current version (etch) is too crapped up to save, so iom gonna do a reinstall, however theres some confusion regarding the versions. There is Lenny of course, but allso Sid, which i know nothing about, if its even possible to install and which problems i kight have with it...
01:37<Zacariaz>so, any recomandations?
01:38<deavid>Debian have Stable, Testing, and Experimental/Unstable
01:39<deavid>Etch is Stable, Lenny Testing and Sid is always Unstable
01:39<Zacariaz>Yes, and im gonna try for the testing, or maybe unstable depending on your recomendation
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01:39<deavid>I prefer Testing.
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01:39<deavid>Sid is only for expert people
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01:40<deavid>and, you never know if Sid is stable enough for install (I prefer to install Testing and update to sid)
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01:41<ajcc>I did install tpb, but it seems like there's still some hotkey scripts around. Is there any safe way to remove them so they don't get executed on boot?
01:41<oxymor00n>sid is only a good idea if you know what you are doing
01:41<Zacariaz>Ok. my greatest consern is drivers for my graphiccard, with etch i had to do some very complex stuff, which i of course got help with. That i will have to do again if i reinstall etch, but i hope its another case with Lenny
01:41<oxymor00n>what card? for nvidia there is stuff in non-free IIRC
01:42<Zacariaz>its ati mobile x1600 i think
01:42<oxymor00n>ah
01:43<Zacariaz>it seems (ive tryed upgrading) that there is some drivers that actually work with the lenny dist
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01:43<Zacariaz>the catalyst controlcenter works for one, havent done before
01:43<oxymor00n>i'm not sure, i switched to the r300 driver because the fglrx stuff drove me nuts
01:44<Zacariaz>anyhow, ill try installing lenny then
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01:45<tcsetattr>ajcc, maybe for starters you could tell us what tpb is?
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01:45<ajcc>tcsetattr: it's for thinkpad's, to be able to use it's "hotkeys", if you install it, it will remove hotkeys, but the configs are left and dpkg --purge hotkeys doesn't work
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01:47<Zacariaz>well, im outahere, l8r
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01:48<tcsetattr>apt-cache search tpb didn't find anything
01:48<ajcc>/stable/utils/tpb
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01:49<tcsetattr>oh it's because I'm not on the right architecture :)
01:50<tcsetattr>I don't see why dpkg --purge tpb wouldn't be the right answer
01:50<ajcc>I did install hotkeys and removed it with dpkg --purge, I think it will work, tpb should do that, I'll mail the list :)
01:50<ajcc>it's tpb I want, it's the usefull thing, on thinkpads, hotkeys are useless
01:50<tcsetattr>removing things from /etc/rc*.d manually is fine though.
01:50<ajcc>sounds dangerous :)
01:51<ajcc>doing things by had is way to much slackware and ugly-hacks for me
01:51<tcsetattr>you can run dpkg -S /etc/init.d/hotkeys (or whatever the script name is) to find out what dpkg thinks of it
01:51<ajcc>hmm
01:51<ajcc>didn't know
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01:54<tcsetattr>did I guess the filename right?
01:55<ajcc>don't know, it's not there anymore :) but it was something like that I guess. And some symbolic links too.
01:55<ajcc>ah, there it is, hotkeys-setup
01:55<tcsetattr>I don't see any startup script in the hotkeys package, actually
01:56<ajcc>it was hotkey-setup
01:56<tcsetattr>and nothing called hotkey-setup either.
01:56<ajcc>hmm
01:56<tcsetattr>are you sure you didn't make that file yourself and then forget about it?
01:57<ajcc>I think you get hotkey-setup and hotkeys with the laptop set
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01:57<ajcc>dpkg --purge hotkey-setup did remove the script, so I probably didn't made it myself
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01:58<tcsetattr>oh hotkey-setup is another separate package, I didn't notice that
01:58<tcsetattr>glad we figured that maze out
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01:59<ajcc>:)
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02:30<codynotes>This is just my own incompetance, but I can *never* find the network install CD image for the latest testing release on the Debian website. Does anyone know where exactly I get it from?
02:34<ifvoid>debian.org/devel/installer or something liek that?
02:35<predder>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso <-- codynotes
02:35<predder>(I assumed) i386
02:35<codynotes>Yeah, that's the net-inst for the daily builds, not the weekly. But I don't really know the difference between them, except that the page says the dailies may be unstable.
02:36<codynotes>I'll just do the daily, though. Thanks!
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02:52<Greg>hey guys, anyone around?
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02:56<Metalqga>no
02:57<Greg>lol i see
02:57<Greg>i guess its bed time
02:57<Metalqga>the world is not flat
02:57<kv>what's the official debian repo?
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02:58<Greg>i was wanting to install debain to one of my desktops... i have never installed linux on a machine before only used it.. and the boot dvds im making don't seem to be working
02:59<Greg>the first iso is on the dvd and it computer doesn't do anythign when i put it in.. i can browse through the files yea but it wont boot from it.. and all the docs give me help on installing it if i already have linux installed
02:59<kv>download just a net-install iso
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03:00<Greg>isn't that to download it from another computer on the network?
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03:00<kv>huh?
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03:00<Greg>im getting debian-40r-alpha-DVD-1 right now
03:00<Metalqga>hey greg
03:00<kv>i'm kind of new, but yesterday i downloaded an 150mb iso
03:00<Greg>hey bud
03:00<Metalqga>did you set your bios settings?
03:01<Metalqga>i mean boot device priority
03:01<Greg>i checked them and it boots the DVD drive before the hard drive
03:01<kv>Metalqga, where could i find debian official repository?
03:01<fatal_>Greg: "alpha" means it's the alpha architecture... I guess if you've never used linux before, you don't have an alpha
03:01<Greg>lol yea.. i have only used it at work a little
03:01<Greg>i work at a theater and we are digital
03:01<Metalqga>ok, if your internet connection is good you can simply download CD1 and install a gnome desktop from which you can choose the progs you nned
03:01<Greg>they use redhat but it wont let me get into it too much
03:02<fatal_>Greg: you probably want the i386 version, or possibly the amd64 version if you have a 64bit PC.
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03:02<Greg>well damn
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03:02<Greg>fatal_, how about Metalqga's advice?
03:02<fatal_>Greg: also, the netinstall cd is alot smaller ... and it'll download the packages you select from one of the ftp mirrors directly....
03:03<Greg>well there go 2 DVD-r's
03:03<Metalqga>i install debian that way
03:03<Metalqga>saves bandwidth
03:03<Greg>you guys are a great help yea
03:03<fatal_>Greg: basically everybody uses and/or should use the netinstall .... Debian just includes too much software for you to download the entire archive... you won't have use for even close to all of it.
03:04<Greg>lol
03:04<Metalqga>type installgui when the cdboots if you want a nice gui
03:04<Greg>yea i like gui
03:04<Greg>this is getting exciting lol
03:05<Greg>ive been waiting all day and no luck... im like so many choices
03:05<kv>someone please, where could i find an official debian repository?
03:05<Metalqga>you dont need the official
03:05<kv>huh?
03:05<Metalqga>they all are the same, choose the one closer to you
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03:06<kv>hmm
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03:06<Greg>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/
03:06<pablum>hey grrls...
03:06<Greg>and your telling me to just download cd-1
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03:07<kv>and where could i choose one?
03:07<Metalqga>http://www.us.debian.org/mirror/list
03:08<pablum>what are advantages of lenny over stable etch?
03:09<Metalqga>more crashes
03:09<pablum>hah
03:09<kv>Metalqga, thank you
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03:10<kv>more crashes? really?
03:10<pablum>wow, big update for etch, though... first in awhile
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03:12<pablum>I see 76 packages updated. Is that just what I have or is it a total?
03:12<kv>Metalqga, GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
03:12<kv>i addes a new repo, and this shows up running update
03:13<pablum>PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key
03:13<kv>i don't understand :)
03:13<pablum>that's from the topic...
03:13<kv>oh
03:13<pablum>just type the lower-case stuff
03:14<Greg>lol
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03:15<kv>yeah, i understood that one..
03:17<pablum>let me be clearer: I was on etch while it was 'testing' for a couple years: what's the advantage of lenny over etch?
03:17<pablum>new goodness?
03:18<Metalqga>i found a "bug" in synaptic when you try to add repositories it gives you options Etch-testing not Etch stable
03:18<pablum>will the rank badness of gnome's power management on an X40 go away?
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03:18<pablum>(only kde's powermanagement works for me in etch)
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03:20<Greg>Metalqga, which iso should i be downloading?
03:20<kv>minimal
03:21<Greg>??
03:22<kv>http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
03:22<Greg>the netinst iso i think
03:23<Metalqga>cd1
03:23<Greg>well whats this netinst.iso?
03:23<Metalqga>i dont like netinst because if you have crappy connection you end up waiting forever to get a working desktop
03:23<Metalqga>download the 600mb iso
03:23<Greg>ok
03:23<Greg>its like 70% done
03:23<pablum>install is over Inet rather than from CDs
03:24<Metalqga>this cd gives you gnome working without any need for internet access
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03:25<Greg>cool deal
03:25<Greg>i hope this bad boy will run
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03:27[~]pablum waits for voice of $DIETY
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03:27<pablum>damn...
03:28<pablum>diety deity...
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03:28[~]Greg is the voice of $DIETY
03:28<Greg>RAWR
03:29<pablum>enjoy those celery sticks...
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03:30<martensite>heh
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03:31<Metalqga>come on greg reboot
03:31<Greg>lol im not installing it on this laptop!
03:32<rand0m>he's busy slicing carrots
03:32<Metalqga>ah, cool then you will tell us of your success
03:32<Greg>i have 3 desktops sitting around running windows.. so i was like umm maybe i should do something about that
03:32<Metalqga>keep the DVDs
03:32<Metalqga>dont thhrow them
03:32<Greg>why keep them?
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03:32<Metalqga>you can use them to install the progs
03:32<rand0m>collector's items
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03:32<Greg>i canceled the burning of the second one
03:32<Metalqga>instead of downloading them
03:33<Metalqga>ok keep the bburned one
03:33<Greg>i don't mind.. ill be at work it will be downloading
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03:33<Greg>but yea ill keep the first one
03:33[~]rand0m recommends burning a copy of FLCL
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03:33[~]Greg slices more carrots
03:33<rand0m>furi kuri!
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03:34<Greg>i like this new irc 6.3
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03:34<Greg>nice new interface
03:34<rand0m>hmmm
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03:35<Greg>and it puts a nice little line after the last thing i read when i change windows.. how thoughtfull
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03:35<rand0m>?
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03:36<Greg>oh wow
03:36<pablum>ircii? irssi?
03:36<Metalqga>greg try opera's irc
03:36<Greg>oh boy!
03:36[~]pablum uses xchat
03:36<Metalqga>opera runs on any os
03:36<Greg>it says debian! press f1 for help, or enter to boot: _
03:36<Metalqga>i have opera on my gsm
03:37<Metalqga>enter installgui
03:37<Eulex>Metalqga, I do not think it runs on DOS.
03:37<Metalqga>who uses dos?
03:37<Eulex><Metalqga> opera runs on any os
03:37<Eulex>;)
03:37<Greg>lol!
03:37<Metalqga>greg type installgui and press enter
03:38<Greg>i did
03:38[~]pablum spies a $DEITY
03:38<Greg>i told it i live in the US and i speak english
03:38<Greg>now its white and pink
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03:39<Metalqga>you dont need to be usarian to speak english...
03:39<Greg>?
03:39<pablum>that's usonian (for you FLW fans)
03:39<Greg>omg! this isn't good
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03:39<Eulex>why installgui? isn't it supposed to be experimental compared to the text installer?
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03:39<Greg>Load installer compents from CD
03:39<Metalqga>greg is a windows fan
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03:40<Greg>There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. If retrying does not work, you should check the integrity of your CD-ROM.
03:40<Metalqga>then check it
03:40<Metalqga>there is an option
03:40<pablum>driver problem...
03:40<Greg>i did retry.. and it did it again!
03:41<Metalqga>use verbatim cds
03:41<Greg>whats that
03:41<Metalqga>a brand of cd dvd
03:41<Greg>lol
03:42<Greg>so im going to have to buy new cds.. my cds aren't good enough for linux
03:42[~]pablum thinks he has a wonky CDROM
03:42<Metalqga>so did you check the cd"?
03:42<Greg>i told it to retry
03:42<Greg>its a new cd can't be anythign wrong with it
03:42<Greg>ima try the other drive i guess lol
03:42<pablum>erm..
03:42<Metalqga>good idea
03:42<Metalqga>pablum do you want to help?
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03:43<pablum>well, I think his CDROM is something netinst isn't expecting...
03:44<Greg>well i put it in the DVD rom
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03:44<pablum>I'll bet netinst is looking for a CD
03:45<pablum>it's only 600MB, after all...
03:45<Greg>well damnit
03:45<Greg>when i put it in the CD-ROM it doesn't boot from it
03:46<Greg>and i changed my bios around and it still wont boot from it
03:46<pablum>but didn't you write it to a CD?
03:46<pablum>er... DVD...
03:46<Greg>CD
03:46<pablum>ah
03:47<Greg>the other iso's were on DVDs
03:47<Greg>because they were big enough
03:47<Greg>i have an idea
03:47<pablum>what brand CDROM?
03:47<Metalqga>so one might guess that your dvd drive is broken
03:47<Greg>hp
03:47<Greg>no never
03:48[~]pablum wonders: does HP do stupid things with CDROM?
03:48<pablum>actually, I did an ubuntu install on a HP laptop with no problems
03:48<Eulex>Greg, how did you burn the cd? did you check the integrity of the cd afterwards?
03:48<Metalqga>i have a hp recorder from 2001 it still works
03:49<Greg>i used Roxio Created Basic
03:49<Greg>came with my laptop
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03:49<pablum>Roxio is a windows thingy??
03:49<Greg>lol
03:50[~]pablum doesn't know windows shite
03:50<Greg>oh
03:50<Eulex>Greg, still one question to answer.
03:50<Greg>well yes its a program that came with my windows laptop eh
03:50<pablum>kanuck?
03:51<Greg>i burned it with Roxio, and i did not do any tests on the cd
03:51<Eulex>did you use burn free (tm) or similar?
03:51<pablum>link?
03:51<Greg>it said it was successfully complete
03:52<Greg>i donno what burn free is
03:52<Greg>i burned it on a windows computer
03:52<streuner_>!burnfree
03:52<Eulex>without testing it, you do not know whether it was 'successfully complete'
03:52<Metalqga>greg just run a check cd integrity
03:52<Metalqga>its an option in the installer
03:52<Greg>how do i do that
03:52<Greg>yes and it failed
03:52<pablum>hah
03:53<Metalqga>then you should burn another one
03:53<pablum>windoze shite
03:53<Greg>lol
03:53<Greg>well how it is going to be any different from the other one
03:53<Greg>i will click burn iso and it will burn it and then be like okay im done
03:53<pablum>because you'll use what Eulex recommends
03:54<Metalqga>greg see this http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
03:54<Eulex>if you can find an option for turning on burn free technology or buffer underrun prevention, use it.
03:54<Metalqga>if you really cant burn a working CD
03:56<Metalqga>eulex he might have downloaded a broken iso
03:56<Eulex>that's another possibility.
03:56<Metalqga>md5sum for windows anywhere?
03:57<Greg>im going to try this goodbye microsoft lol
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03:58<Greg>im going to be a bit tired at work tomorrow
03:58<kv>anyone knows Guitar Rig2 alternative on linux?
03:59<seanius>Metalqga: there's always cygwin
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04:00<seanius>kinda overkill for getting a single cmdline program, but...
04:00<Metalqga>has anyone tried the goodbye thingy?
04:01<pablum>not me...
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04:04<kv>wich version of iceweasel is installed by default on etch?
04:04<kv>which*
04:05[~]pablum uses a user directory installed version of firefox...
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04:05<seanius>kv: you can find out via http://packages.debian.org/iceweasel
04:05<ameyer>I think /usr/bin/iceweasel
04:05<berto>!info iceweasel
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04:05<dpkg>iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7952 kB, Installed size: 25132 kB
04:06<Eulex>!info iceweasel etch
04:06[~]pablum 's firefox is also 2.0.0.6
04:06<kv>seanius, thanks, is tehre any command that i could cheout, which version is on my debian?
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04:06<seanius>kv: apt-cache show iceweasel | grep Version
04:06<Metalqga>about menu in the browser gui
04:06<Eulex>kv, apt-cache policy iceweasel
04:06<seanius>kv: or apt-cache policy iceweasel
04:06<kv>thank you both ;)
04:07<Metalqga>you can easily detect my noobosity
04:07<Metalqga>swithcing to cli mode :d
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04:09<pablum>mine (etch) says 2.0.0.3
04:09<Greg>hey.. looks like the goodbye windows thing will work
04:09<Greg>im going to double check the files on the disk tomorrow and see if there is anything i need to keep and then format the entire drive
04:10<Greg>leaving it will a fresh copy of debian!
04:10[~]pablum thinks boobies!
04:10<kv> Running in modulated clock mode <--- what the?
04:11<kv>my computer beeps and this message appears in console
04:11<Greg>lol
04:12<pablum>kv, you've been hacked!!!111ONE!11D00D111!!!q
04:12<kv>huh?
04:12<pablum>jk
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04:14<Metalqga>greg you are going to erase windows?
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04:18<blakkino>apt give me an error when installing nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-amd64.. should i report it as a bug? or maybe there is a simple fix?
04:18<blakkino>(problem with the dependency of nvidia-kernel-common)
04:18<pablum>error?
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04:18<blakkino>nvidia-kernel-common is not installable
04:20[~]pablum 's amd64 desktop isn't on the 'Net at the moment...
04:21<pablum>erm, that wouldn't be an ubuntu kernel, would it?
04:21<blakkino>no :)
04:21<blakkino>etch
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04:22<Greg>yea Metalqga, im going to delete windows
04:22<Greg>its a random desktop i have that i don't ever use
04:22<pablum>pity
04:23<Greg>it wont be
04:24<pablum>blakkino, I'm at 18-4, but only 17-2 boots if I want to recognize the rt2500 card, so I can't help...
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04:27<Greg>what is LVM
04:27<Greg>it says set up encrypted LVM
04:27<azeem>Greg: see wikipedia
04:27<Greg>ahh good ideas
04:28<blakkino>pablum, and for your kernel tere is the nvidia driver?
04:28<blakkino>there
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04:29<blakkino>if yes then at least i can hope one day my problem will be fixed..
04:29<pablum>blakkino, no... I have one for sata_nv, but tha's all
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04:31<Greg>well im going to logofff for the nite so i can packup my laptop for the morning.. ill be back later
04:31<Greg>thanks for all the help everyone!
04:31<blakkino>pablum, another prog i'm having problem with is nspluginwrapper, that i have installed from source
04:31<blakkino>do you use it? someone use it on etch?
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04:31<blakkino>probably the error is trivial but the error message isn't helpfull at all
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04:32<pablum>you should be able to select a non-nvidia kernel, thoug
04:32<pablum>h
04:32<blakkino>it is a kernel module, not an entire kernel, i think
04:32[~]pablum won't use nspluginwrapper....
04:33<blakkino>i have lived without flash for years.. but being compatible with others has some values.. even if flash is useless..
04:33<blakkino>:)
04:34<pablum>it's only of value if you trust the coders...
04:35<blakkino>there are good reason not to trust them?
04:36<pablum>blakkino, I get (from a cache search) a nvidia-kernel-blah... you could try selecting a different (more generic) kernel...
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04:36<blakkino>example?
04:38<kv>which one is better - deluge or transmission?
04:38<pablum>the most recent I have is linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64
04:40<pablum>so maybe linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64
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04:43<pablum>yeh, I don't see an nvidia kernel for amd64 in the cache...
04:45<pablum>blakkino, ^^^
04:46[~]pablum is feeling the time (3am)
04:47<pablum>'nite, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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04:49<themill>!coffee pablum
04:49[~]dpkg decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for pablum, courtesy of themill
04:49<themill>(that should do the trick)
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04:55<kv>why in the hell in debians update manager appeared sudo? :D
04:57<Eulex>what?
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04:57<kv>:)
04:57<kv>nevermind
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05:57<Zacariaz>hi, i have downloaded and installed a netinst testing dist, but for some reason it wouldnt setup the network correctly. i have now installed what little basic system is on the netinst and setup the network manually, it works, but now the question remains how i can continue the instalation with these settings.
05:58<Zacariaz>anyone?
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05:59<padski>Zacariaz: you say continue, but you say you have installed. it is hard to know what you are missing. what do you want to do next ?
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06:00<padski>Zacariaz: perhaps that would be clearer if I had said "which bits you are missing" :-)
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06:02<vreten>my kernel image is messed up so i have booted a livecd-system, now i have edited /mnt/hda1/etc/lilo.conf and want to rewrite it to MBR. does anyone know how?
06:02<Zacariaz>im no expert, i admit that, but normally when i install it goes without problems installing gnome, a webbrowser, some games etc. i have tryed something like "apt-get install gnome" but it seems that there are no sources specified in the sources list, and i simply dont know how to configure that manually.
06:03<padski>Zacariaz: something like, echo "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list, might get you started ?
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06:04<Zacariaz>ill try that
06:04<padski>Zacariaz: when you can apt-get install sucessfully you might want to try using tasksel
06:04<Zacariaz>dont know anything about tasksel
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06:05<padski>Zacariaz: neither do I :-)
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06:05<padski>Zacariaz: I think it is that dialogue you get in the installer that let's you select things like "mail server" "desktop" etc
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06:05<padski>dialog
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06:06<Zacariaz>ah, ill look into that, thanks for now
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06:07<padski>Zacariaz: don't forget to apt-get update after you have a working sources.list :-)
06:07<padski>see ya then :-)
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06:24<vreten>"Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1)"
06:24<vreten>anyone help?
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06:26<mbroeker>vreten, with a standard kernel or an selfmade-kernel ?
06:26<usuario>ola me yamo ana y tu??
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06:26<themill>vreten: Usual cause is missing modules for the file system or hardware that your root dir is on in your initrd.
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06:26<usuario>eso ya lose esta el??
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06:26<usuario>y?????
06:27<JasonS>humm
06:27<JasonS>!br
06:27<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
06:27<JasonS>or at least i think its' br
06:27<usuario>ola
06:28<mbroeker>!tw
06:28<dpkg>somebody said tw was an abbreviation of Taiwan
06:28<usuario>como te yamas???
06:28<themill>JasonS: that was my guess... but neither whois nor traceroute have helped me verify that yet...
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06:28<mbroeker>what a pitty. i thought, i can check utf8 support with it :(
06:29<usuario>no comprendo ni un huevo
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06:31<themill>!es
06:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
06:32<themill>JasonS: second guess... ;)
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06:38<vreten>i have messed up my kernel. i compiled my own and saved it with the same name as the old working one. now i cant boot my system. is there a way to sort things out, maybe with a debian live cd or do i have to reinstall a new system from scratch? :(
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06:38<lupine_85>vreten: get a live CD up, mount your partition as a chroot and reinstall the old kernel
06:38<themill>!rescue
06:38<dpkg>from memory, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>.
06:38<themill>!tell vreten about rescue mode
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06:39<JasonS>themill: lucky i knew it was one of them :)
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06:40<themill>JasonS: the spanish speakers in my office weren't convinced it was...
06:41<vreten>lupine_85 how do i chroot?
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06:42<lupine_85>chroot </path/to/future/root> [/path/to/shell/inside/chroot]
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06:43<themill>vreten: in the installer in rescue mode, chroot /target
06:43<vreten>when trying 'sudo chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash' i get: "/bin/bash: reloction error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version GLBIC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference"
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06:43<louie>hi all
06:43<lupine_85>heh. that sounds pretty broken
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06:44<themill>vreten: what livecd are you using?
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06:44<vreten>debian-live-lenny-i386-standard.iso downloaded minutes ago
06:45<lupine_85>try with a different shell? sh if that's all you've got
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06:45<vreten>my system is/was testing, does it matter?
06:45<lupine_85>not particularly
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06:46<lupine_85>the chroot is i386, right?
06:46<vreten>uh?
06:46<themill>vreten: what was your original install?
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06:47<vreten>themill its from a sarge cd i believe
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06:47<themill>ah.
06:47<lupine_85>i386 = not amd64
06:47<themill>do you have a sarge or etch instal cd around rather than the lenny live cd?
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06:48<vreten>yes
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06:49<seanius>vreten: do you get that error if you just do "sudo chroot /mnt" ?
06:49<themill>you might do better using one of them in rescue mode rather than the livecd that is based on a very very different version of glibc
06:49<themill>the other thing is to move/remove/rename /mnt/lib/tls before chrooting. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419189
06:49<lupine_85>seanius: the command should be run inside the chroot....
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06:50<cameronvale>please help
06:50<cameronvale>I get compiling (make) breaks
06:50<cameronvale>http://pastebin.com/d42b8a355
06:51<lupine_85>cameronvale: do you really, honestly need the later version?
06:51<cameronvale>yes
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06:51<cameronvale>doesnt matter anyways, since this error comes on all versions now
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06:52<cameronvale>I could try to install the debian package, just to make it fix the problem
06:52<lupine_85>/usr/local/include/sigc++-2.0/sigc++/functors/slot.h:422: undefined reference to[...]
06:52<cameronvale>then deinstall and compile the newest versioN!
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06:52<lupine_85>I have to ask why your includes are in /usr/local
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06:52<cameronvale>dont know
06:52<cameronvale>i have the correct packages installed
06:52<lupine_85>don't tell you installed a custom sigc++
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06:52<cameronvale>no I havent
06:52<cameronvale>but this installation is old....
06:52<lupine_85>and you're compiling as root....
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06:53<cameronvale>maybe someone else has
06:53<cameronvale>ofcourse
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06:53<Eulex>you do, debian does not install anything in /usr/local
06:53<cameronvale>what do I do?
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06:53<lupine_85>*sigh*
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06:53<lupine_85>1) don't compile as root. 2) remove that compile tree and start another one. 3) ./configure --prefix=/usr might help
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06:54<seanius>i'm not sure 3 is a good thing to do
06:54<themill>also, apt-get build-dep rtorrent
06:54<Eulex>2.5) remove that custom sigc++
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06:54<Eulex>... and any other custom c++ components...
06:54<cameronvale>cool! so many tips! ill try it straight away
06:54<cameronvale>Eulex, how do i do that?
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06:55<lupine_85>mm. well. If s/he doesn't have a clue why it's there...
06:55<Eulex>cameronvale, you... remove it? sorry, hard to know _how_ when we don't know how it was installed...
06:55<vreten>how do i come into rescue mode?
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06:55<cameronvale>thanks for that tip then
06:56<themill>vreten: did you look at section 8.7 of the installation guide that dpkg told you about?
06:56<lupine_85>removing it could break all sorts of things
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06:59<disposable>i need to limit a process to use up to 50% of cpu (virtualbox). how can i do that? (setting lower priorities will not do)
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07:00<klys_>klys.onlinewebshop.net/desk002.jpeg
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07:01<naruto>hi
07:01<lupine_85>fail for teh ugly
07:01<klys_>hey man
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07:01<sasuke>OMG!
07:02<sasuke>you have discovered my secret lair
07:02|-|sasuke changed nick to lupine_85
07:02<naruto>donde estoy
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07:02[~]quasisane rubs his poor eyes
07:02<naruto>hi sasuke
07:02<lupine_85>:p
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07:02<lupine_85>oh dear... what have I done?
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07:03<Eulex>:P
07:03<klys_>commented, I consider you opinion
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07:04<lupine_85>http://www.lupine.me.uk/img/screenshots/ :p
07:05<lupine_85>what's so revolutionary in rtorrent 0.7.7 anyway?
07:05<amphi>http://picpaste.com/ss.png
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07:07<naruto>darkmaike@yahoo.com.br
07:07<naruto>hello
07:07<klys_>lupine: your screenshots are very candy
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07:10<klys_>amphi: is it from your projector?
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07:11<naruto>naruto(darkmaike@yahoo.com.br
07:11<disposable>klys_, and very *buntu
07:11<amphi>klys_: no, sadly I don't have one - it's my nine workspaces in zoomed out view
07:11<naruto>hi
07:11<klys_>hil
07:11<naruto>alguem afim d tc??????????????
07:12<naruto>alguem esta online
07:12<amphi>!br
07:12<naruto>baka
07:12<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:12<klys_>~es
07:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:12<lupine_85>klys_: candy ftw :p. Though it looks nothing like that atm
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07:12<naruto>eu sei
07:12<amphi>klys_: not es ;)
07:12<klys_>yeah
07:12<naruto>por isso que estou aqui
07:12<DrudTaumes>hi ppl
07:12<klys_>hil
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07:13<ADRI>how version of debian 4.0 is best 32 bit or 64 ?
07:13<naruto>crazy
07:14<ADRI>why
07:14<naruto>the best harry potter
07:14<klys_>I know of at least one guy that wanted 32 and already had 64
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07:14<ADRI>ok but 64 support is new
07:14<ADRI>or ?
07:15<naruto>hi
07:15<klys_>you back
07:15<petemc>ADRI: 64bit is best if you need to address large amounts of memory
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07:15<ADRI>1024 dual channel
07:15<cameronvale>aha!
07:15<ADRI>but problem is with gcc 4.1.1.5
07:16<ADRI>i see a warnings
07:16<naruto>baka
07:16<ADRI>general.c:191: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 2 of 'adns__vbuf_append' differ in signedness
07:16<naruto>yt niy san chi
07:17<naruto>tem alguem que fala prtugues ai
07:17<ADRI>i cant understend
07:17<cameronvale>no one can
07:17<cameronvale>just gibberish
07:17<naruto>moro no japan cheguei ontem
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07:17<lupine_85>'large' amounts of memory means more than 4GB, really
07:18<naruto>alguem por favor me agude
07:18<naruto>sorry
07:18<naruto>sorry
07:18<lupine_85>ADRI: that compiler warning is just sloppy coding. Someone's using ints as pointers; one is unsigned int, the other is signed int
07:18<DrudTaumes>why doesnt my ps2 mouse work?? i get no output from "cat /dev/psaux"
07:18<naruto>some person wants keyboard key
07:19<ADRI>its fatal or ?
07:19<lupine_85>just a warning
07:19<cameronvale>recompiling esé
07:19<lupine_85>depending on how sloppy the coding is, it could lead to a segfault
07:19<ADRI>mhm thank you
07:19<deboch>hello everybody
07:20<DrudTaumes>hi
07:20<deboch>i have a small question ;-)
07:20<naruto>hi adri you deferred payment where?
07:21<deboch>when i use apache server, even when i modify the index.html page in the browser it gives me an old version of the document !! why ?
07:21<naruto>they alguem wants to know a Brazilian of really??
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07:21<naruto>hi
07:21<DrudTaumes>deboch, are you sure its the one in the documentroot ?
07:21<themill>naruto: do you have a debian question we can help you with?
07:21<naruto>hi
07:21<deboch>yes
07:21<cameronvale>now it comes....
07:21<deboch>the onlyone
07:22<deboch>named index.html
07:22<DrudTaumes>deboch, maybe you see a cached version in the browser ?
07:22<deboch>perhaps
07:23<cameronvale>broke
07:23<deboch>no
07:23<deboch>i just restarted the browser the same old page
07:23<themill>deboch: is this the default install or have you customised things
07:23<naruto>tankns themill
07:23<deboch>i have a directory called anrtmm under /var/www where is my file
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07:24<cameronvale>http://pastebin.com/d16c3314c
07:24<naruto>hi
07:24<deboch>and i have the url http://localhost/anrtmm/ in the browser
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07:25<themill>deboch: and what do you see in the browser? is it an old version of the page or an "It works" page?
07:25<ADRI>ok i`m install again 64 bit support version
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07:25<deboch>an old version of the page
07:26<deboch>but if i type http://localhost/anrtmm/index.html i have the correct page
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07:27<lupine_85>phwoar
07:27<ADRI>ok bye all and thank you
07:27<deboch>??
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07:28<lupine_85>!netsplit
07:28<dpkg>hmm... netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated).
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07:28<kv>what the?
07:28<naruto>oi personal would like to say that I am super happy for voces to have me escultado debtor
07:28<naruto>oi personal would like to say that I am super happy for voces to have me escultado debtor
07:28<naruto>oi personal would like to say that I am super happy for voces to have me escultado debtor
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07:28<themill>lupine_85: freenode has been more split than together thoday
07:28<deboch>ok
07:28<deboch>now it's ok
07:28<naruto>oi personal would like to say that I am super happy for voces to have me escultado debtor
07:28<lupine_85>themill: I noticed that too :D
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07:28<deboch>i thing the problem was in the iceweasel program
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07:29<lupine_85>at least my lug is back together
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07:29<themill>deboch: try holding Shift when pressing the reload button. Often helps in these cases.
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07:30<lupine_85>could also be a RedirectMatch ?
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07:35<vreten>gah, looks like i wont figure out how to rescue my system and have to go for a new install :(
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07:36<lupine_85>vreten: in times of stress, you could manually grab the kernel package and copy it in. you're still left with the initramfs to sort out, though
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07:40<debian>so i got it up and running, its not pretty, but it works
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07:40<petemc>whats that then?
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07:42<debian>well i have a gui now, thats a start
07:42<petemc>nice one..
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07:42<debian>right now im trying to figure out how pidgin for irc
07:44<ranix>irssi is better
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07:45<debian>sure it is, but now i got pidgin with gnome and it seems to work fine
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07:45<debian>im just having trouble configuring it
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07:52<maik>hello there.. i have a question regaring etch.. im looking for apt-setup but i think its gone :(
07:52<Tuplad>apt-install maybe ?
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07:53<Tuplad>apt-get install I mean
07:53<JasonS>apt-setup has been removed from etch upwards
07:53<maik>apt-get install is different from apt setup ;)
07:53<maik>ah ok
07:53<Tuplad>what's apt-setup ?
07:54<maik>so how do i register my DVD's in the souces.list? do i have to write it manually?
07:55<Tuplad>it is there by default I think, cat /etc/apt/sources.list - deb cdrom .....
07:55<JasonS>!tell maik about sources
07:55<debian>hmm, the sound is migthy low even though the volume is turned up full...
07:55<Tuplad>mine is like: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 kde-CD Binary-1 20070407-12:10]/ etch contrib main
07:56<maik>yes i know.. but how do i include the rest of the CD's?
07:56<ranix>add more apt lines
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07:56<Tuplad>I don't think so
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07:57<ranix>cds are overrated
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07:59<DrudTaumes>can somebody help me ? why doesnt my ps2 mouse work?? i get no output from "cat /dev/psaux"
07:59<JasonS>maik: do you have a highspeed connection?
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08:00<ranix>cat /dev/input/mice
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08:01<DrudTaumes>same, no output
08:02<ranix>you got me, I've never had that break
08:02<ranix>not since potato was testing at least
08:03<DrudTaumes>thanks anyway
08:03<themill>DrudTaumes: look in /dev/input/by-path/
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08:04<DrudTaumes>platform-i8042-serio-1-event-kbd platform-pcspkr-event-spkr
08:05<maik>tnx for the help :) ive tried adding it by using the apt-cdrom command
08:06<maik>and it works now thanks ^_^
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08:08<maik>JasonS: i have a connection from the internet but its not really that fast.. so i just want to use my cd's instead :)
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08:08<Sergeant>hello again. Have a small trouble - need to put and synchronase UPS and my Debian? where can i get info about?
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08:10<themill>DrudTaumes: that says that your mouse is not found by the kernel.
08:10<themill>DrudTaumes: It's a PS2 mouse, yes?
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08:12<DrudTaumes>its a ps2 mouse, optical
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08:12<themill>DrudTaumes: what's the output of lsmod| grep psmouse
08:12<MBR666>i'll ask the obvious. is your ps2 port turned on in the bios?
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08:13<ranix>Sergeant: your UPS may have some software to monitor itself for linux
08:13<zms>some pages on net refer to kernel-patch-xen but I could not find it in sid repository. Has this been discontinued?
08:13<ranix>Sergeant: I have a UPS that has this, but the software is horrible
08:14<ranix>badly written bash scripts
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08:14<ranix>there seems to be some kind of standard for UPS monitoring using serial ports, but that's as far as I got and gave up
08:15<DrudTaumes>i didnt find anything in the bios about ps2 mouse
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08:16<DrudTaumes>themill, nothing
08:16<tjol>I think all the mouse problems I've had on linux were fixed with a reboot with the mouse plugged in...
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08:17<adisbladis>hi, im trying to get wpa_gui to work on my laptop, but it cant seem to connect to wpa_supplicant, so i was wondering how i could start wpa_supplicant as a daemon
08:17<themill>DrudTaumes: try modprobe psmouse and then looking in /dev/input/by-path/ again
08:17<DrudTaumes>i found these lines: "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" and "input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0 input: PC Speaker as /class/input/input1"
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08:17<DrudTaumes>i already did some reboots
08:18<sep>DrudTaumes, modprobe psmouse ; modprobe mousedev and use /dev/input/mice
08:18<adisbladis>is it just in xorg the mouse doesnt work?
08:18<ranix>no, he gets no output from /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice
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08:19<DrudTaumes>i only tried to cat /dev/psaux and others, in command line mode
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08:19<ranix>DrudTaumes: if you did that and moved the mouse you should have seen some nonsense
08:19<DrudTaumes>yeah ranix and i saw nothin
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08:20<Sergeant>ranix, thaks =)
08:20<adisbladis>try to plug it in and write "dmesg | tail" to see where it is plugged in
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08:20<Sergeant>are this functions in manuals?
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08:21<DrudTaumes> modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev
08:21<DrudTaumes>FATAL: Module mousedev not found.
08:21<DrudTaumes>adisbladis, i thought ps2 mice are not to be plugged in/out while the pc is on
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08:22<Tuplad>Guys, how do I reset my session ? Gnome was auto saving and restoring the session on the startup, I turned it off but now I want to start off a NEW CLEAN session everytime :)
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08:22<Sergeant>Tuplad - try to change screen =)
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08:22<Sergeant>ctrl+alt+f//
08:23<Eulex>you could enable session saving again and save a clean session, then disable it again
08:23<Sergeant>*f..
08:23<gsimmons>adisbladis: You'd want to read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to enable the wpasupplicant daemon.
08:23<Eulex>Sergeant, umh, relevancy?
08:23<Tuplad>Sergeant: that's switching to console, isn't it ?
08:23<Sergeant>yes, console.
08:23<azeem>Sergeant: how does that solve the problem?
08:23<Tuplad>Eulex: but I can't figure how to make a new session, by killing x and starting it again ?
08:23<Sergeant>and then return back from console,
08:23<Eulex>Tuplad, logging out?
08:24<Tuplad>Eulex: already did
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08:24<Eulex>Tuplad, you must know how you disabled session saving. enable it again that way.
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08:24<Tuplad>enabled it
08:25<themill>Tuplad: .gnome/session or something, isn't it?
08:25<Tuplad>themill: control center :)
08:25<themill>Tuplad: no, the config file that you can edit to remove things from the session
08:26<ranix>Tuplad: just make a blank session with nothing in it and save it now
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08:26<ranix>Tuplad: then disable session saving again
08:26<Tuplad>ooh, I get it :O
08:27<Tuplad>so just close everything and logout, then log back in and disable it ?
08:29<vreten>./target/sbin/lilo -C /target/etc/lilo.conf
08:29<vreten>Fatal: create /boot/boot.0300: No such file or directory
08:29<Sergeant>so.. what about UPS? Anybody know where can i get info about settings?
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08:31<Eulex>the internets?
08:31<DrudTaumes>Sergeant, http://www.networkupstools.org/
08:32<ranix>DrudTaumes: hey that's a nifty link
08:33<Sergeant>Drud - thankyou
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08:33<petemc>apt-cache search ups |grep -i power
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08:35<vreten>anyone knows this output from lilo: Fatal: create /boot/boot.0300: No such file or directory
08:36<Sergeant>petemc.. hmm.. and what it would be than?
08:36<petemc>huh?
08:36<petemc>you cant read?
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08:37<Sergeant>i can read, but i cant to do that now.
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08:37<ranix>Sergeant: If you can't do an apt-cache search you can't find packages
08:38<ranix>Sergeant: you could try using packages.debian.org if you want to waste your time
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08:39<Sergeant>debian i have at home, but now i am at work) there are windows =(
08:39<vreten>telnet
08:39<Sergeant>i mean what is result of this search, what it get for me?
08:40<ranix>Sergeant: petemc is not your personal ssh client
08:40<vreten>:)
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08:40<Sergeant>ranix - )))
08:41<Sergeant>is it for everybody here?
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08:41<ranix>http://www.google.com/search?q=putty
08:42<Sergeant>i ve get putty now, exactly do that you say - searching ups
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08:45<Renaldo1974>hi to everyboda
08:45<Renaldo1974>vy
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08:49<[s0]>7server irc.irc-hispano.org
08:49<[s0]>sorry
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08:57<Sergeant>and why all are so quite? =) offtopic, maybe somebody know client for IRC-channel at win?
08:58<alex_>at win?
08:58<alex_>windows?
08:58<alex_>use ircn
08:58<Sergeant>alex - link? =)
08:58<Sergeant>windows.. but with changing encoding..
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08:59<noflash>don't windows have a search engine ? ;)
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09:00<vreten>this is crazy, why does debian installer download 631packages without asking me first? like i want or need lots of libs for xfce and/or gnome, grrr
09:00<azeem>vreten: don't choose the desktop task then
09:00<JasonS>vreten: depends on what you picked initally
09:00<Enfi|ade>choose nothing
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09:01<Enfi|ade>start from a minimal install and build it up
09:01<vreten>havent been asked
09:01<padski>"Listen carefully, I will only say this once ..."
09:01<JasonS>vreten: i bet you did
09:01<vreten>nope, only think i did was adding a ftp mirror
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09:02<Sergeant>noflash - windows can't advice me usefull program :-P
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09:02<Tuplad>hmm
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09:03<Tuplad>when I play music on full volume (in debian), my boxes get this "tearing apart" sound
09:03<Tuplad>making strange noise
09:03<Dodger>I've got the weirdest problem (cn
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09:04<vreten>downloading openoffice.org-common.... just cant be true. ive never asked for it
09:05<Dodger>I've got the weirdest problem (can't make head or tales of it). I have two computers on a lan (with a D-Link router), this one is working properly (debian box). When I went to bed last night, the other one (red hat / winxp dual boot) worked fine. this morning it can't connect to the internet OR the router (under linux or windows), but it CAN connect to this box (ping or ssh). I can connect to the router on this
09:05<azeem>vreten: it's part of the desktop task
09:05<Sergeant>thanks for all, have a good day =)
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09:06<padski>Dodger: routing ?
09:06<Dodger>padski: how could the routing have been changed for BOTH linux and windows?
09:08<padski>Dodger: how much can it hurt to check ? If I understood you correctly your traffic is going through the d-link to the other node, but you cannot connect to the d-link ?
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09:08<Dodger>the fact that the same problem hit both OSes seems to rule out a software problem, but the fact I can connect to another machine on my lan seems to rule out hardware...
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09:09<padski>Dodger: not at all, the change might somewhere else on the network
09:09<Dodger>padski: right. I can connect to the dlink from the debian box, but not from the fedora box (under linux OR windows)
09:09<padski>Dodger: but from fedore you can ping debian ?
09:09<Dodger>BUT, I *CAN* connect to the debian box, from the fedora box (and vice-versa)
09:09<lupine_85>both machines are connected through the router?
09:10<Dodger>lupine_85: yes, I also have a vonage VOIP on the same router (which is working)
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09:10<lupine_85>heh. sounds like some sort of access control on the router then
09:10<padski>Dodger: and the fedora/windows box is on the same IP as ever ?
09:11<Dodger>padski: yes, I *think* so... I went to bed last night downloading something, and when I woke up it was download but the connection wasn't working anymore... the lan ip for it is the same (I'm 99% sure), my external ip addy may have changed
09:12<Dodger>lupine_85: that sounds possible... could that have changed overnight?
09:12<lupine_85>it's possible, though unlikely
09:12<Dodger>so I
09:13<Dodger>so I'm not crazy that this is really weird, right?
09:13<Dodger>:-)
09:13<lupine_85>rebooted the router?
09:13<lupine_85>nope, it'd surprise me if it happened here
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09:13<Dodger>ok, rebooting the router (you
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09:13<Dodger>you're about to lose me), I'll come back and let you know if that fixes it)
09:13<vreten>k
09:13<deejoe>heh
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09:19<vreten>http://www.zips.dk/pics/tiara.jpg
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09:21<kurumin>?
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09:25<hpcarlos>Nice photo :-)
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09:28<laniz>vreten: you should suffer badly for sharing this link
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09:28<Metalqga>i must have missed it
09:28<laniz>dont click it
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09:29<vreten>laniz: how come?
09:30<vreten>shes your gf? :o
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09:38<knoppix_>hi
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09:39<Maulkin>Hi there.
09:39<vreten>hi
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09:43<cameronvale>coq
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09:48<Metalqga>if I set the pio mode with hdparm will it stick after a reboot?
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09:52<vreten>sverige åt svenskarna!
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09:53<ricky>!se
09:53<dpkg>methinks se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net).
09:53<alex_>!de
09:53<dpkg>i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
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09:54<vreten>!nu
09:54<dpkg>Niue nu niu 570
09:54<vreten>ok
09:54<brislingf>hi there anyone with pstfix expirence ?
09:55<brislingf>postfix even
09:55<JasonS>brislingf: #postfix has lots
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09:55<brislingf>nahh no one there :(
09:56<padski>brislingf: I have no postfix eperience, but I will listen to your tale of woe :-)
09:56<JasonS>no one there or no one answering immediatly?
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09:56<brislingf>no one there accept the bot :/
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09:57<brislingf>but i get this error in /var/log/mail.info Aug 20 16:10:38 www1 courierpop3login: chdir brugtitudstyr.dk/info/: No such file or directory
09:57<brislingf>what have i forgot ?
09:57<padski>brislingf: does that dir exist ?
09:58<brislingf>an i comes every time i try to login through pop3
09:59<petemc>whats that got to do with postfix?
09:59<brislingf>no not as far as i know, but it should auto generate it :( and somethings gone wrong
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09:59<brislingf>that postfix cant generate the mail user file
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10:00<padski>brislingf: is info a user ?
10:00<brislingf>yes
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10:00<padski>and brugtitudstyr.dk is the domain part, so their email address is info@brugtitudstyr.dk
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10:01<padski>brislingf: so when email gets delivered to that mailbox, where does it end up ?
10:01<brislingf>well that i dont know :/
10:01<lupine_85>Presumably brislingf is using Maildir, and forgot to create said directory
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10:02<lupine_85>postfix won't create it
10:02<haugha>Hi.. I get an error when running apt-get update: GPG error... mirror address..: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG.......
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10:02<lupine_85>maildirmake is the command needed, IIRC
10:02<haugha>how can I fix that error
10:02<haugha>?
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10:02<haugha>seems like some kinda signature error..
10:03<haugha>pretty weird
10:03<mbroeker>wow: first bug: my mouse is frozen.
10:03<lupine_85>haugha: try a different mirror?
10:03<brislingf>lupine_85: so ill just need to run maildirmake ?
10:03<haugha>lupine_85, do you know where I can get a new mirror?
10:04<lupine_85>yep. you need to create the Maildir before postfix can put mails into it
10:04<lupine_85>1mirrors
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10:04<lupine_85>!mirrors
10:04<dpkg>well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/
10:04<cra>hi someone recall how to mount on linux one directory over another? thanks
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10:04<lupine_85>cra: mount --bind ?
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10:05<brislingf>which conf files can i see where to put it ?
10:05<cra>lupine_85: yes, thanks!!!!
10:05<haugha>lupine_85, the signature failure is for both security.debian.org and the other mirror I tried
10:06<mbroeker>brislingf, procmail can create the maildirs for you automatically
10:07<mbroeker>looks like this
10:07<mbroeker>home_mailbox = .maildir/
10:07<mbroeker>mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENSION" DEFAULT=$HOME/.maildir/
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10:07<haugha>lupine_85, I got this error: https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-debian/2007-May/000211.html
10:08<fredrik__>Is there any good OCR software or handwriting recognition for linux??
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10:09<JasonS>haugha: /topic
10:09<cahoot>fredrik__, saw tesseract (sp?) mentioned
10:09<seanius>fredrik__: gocr maybe?
10:10<seanius>fredrik__: apt-cache search ocr might be helpful, though a few false positives
10:10<haugha>JasonS, which part of the topic?
10:10<JasonS>the no public key part
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10:11<fredrik__>I've been looking around for a bit but i find nothing
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10:13<cahoot>fredrik__, http://sourceforge.net/projects/tesseract-ocr
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10:19<haugha>How do I reconfigure xorg so I can get it up?
10:20<azeem>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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10:24<haugha>azeem, thanks
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10:34<simon444>where is jezzus
10:34<brislingf>hmm i have been using this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_users_and_domains_with_postfix_debian_etch, and the maildirmake worked, but now i need to setup so that courier can access :(
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10:37<padski>brislingf: is that not section 7 Configure Courier ?
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10:38<brislingf>yes some of it.. but its loading data from the db
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10:38<padski>isn't it supposed to ?
10:39<brislingf>yes but it hasnt created the directory on the server and therefor it can logon to the server:S
10:39<brislingf>.7
10:39<brislingf>:/
10:39<brislingf>to store the mails in
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10:41<padski>i thought you said the maildirmake worked ?
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10:42<brislingf>yes but now it says Aug 20 17:32:44 www1 courierpop3login: chdir brugtitudstyr.dk/info/: Permission denied
10:42<brislingf>so something has worked
10:42<padski>brislingf: look like a permissions problem
10:43<brislingf>yes but what do i set the permissions to ?
10:43<padski>brislingf: what user is courier pop running as ?
10:43<brislingf>how can see that ?
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10:44<padski>brislingf: (I don't what you should set the permission to, but maybe you can figure it out)
10:44<padski>brislingf: man ps
10:44<lupine_85>the courier configuration file allows you to set a particular user for it to edit Maildirs with - I forget the details
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10:45<lupine_85>that wants setting so courier at least shares a user or group (are you using virtual:virtual ?) with the directories
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10:47<brislingf>ive got a user thats called vmail 5000:5000
10:47<lupine_85>that's what you want courier running as, then
10:47<brislingf>and might be that, because of the maildir is in its /home/vmail/.maildir
10:48<brislingf>so how do i set the .maildir with that permission ?
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10:48<lupine_85>I don't remember
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10:52<brislingf>hmmm
10:52<brislingf>and the maildir is set to root.. can i use chown or something ?
10:53<lupine_85>well, yes
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10:54<brislingf>chown user preset dir?
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11:04<brislingf>hmm it aint working:/
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11:05<cobra>hi all
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11:09<rjent>How can I tell on a remote machine what the connectin speed the nic has negotiated from a switch?
11:09<padski>brislingf: (I think I'm right in saying) to read a file a program will also have to traverse a path. could you try su'ing to the daemon user to try by hand? or perhaps strace the pop daemon ? or perhaps try shotgun the permissions wide open (0777) and if theat works close them back down to what they are supposed to be.
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11:12<netspirit>Hi! I have a question about GPL3... I read it but don't understand everything: Does GPLv3 allows me to create totaly new code under non free license like a module of a GPLv3 program if I only distribute my code with explainations to use it?
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11:13<seanius>netspirit: if your application links against the gplv3 code, probably not
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11:16<KrisKelvin>hi, i just upgraded from sarge to etch (2.4.18 --> 2.6.18) and ran into problems with cups and an lp-->usb adapter (pl2305). anybody knows this gadget?
11:16<rush>hola
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11:16<lupine_85>netspirit: you're best asking trained lawyers, really ;)
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11:17<rush>hi problems with i3945 wirelles
11:18<KrisKelvin>printer (Brother HL-1230) is detected via cups' usb backend, sending raw data to /dev/usb/lp0 produces at least printer activity, but printing a page via cups produces "printer not connected"
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11:19<netspirit>Ok thank you all :) see you...
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11:20<jeroen_>hi, my server won't boot from raid1 anymore, can anybpdy help me?
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11:21<jeroen_>at boot it says: mounting /dev/md1 on /root faild: No such device
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11:22<jeroen_>nothing seems to be wrong with my arrays, just won't mount at boot
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11:22<jeroen_>can somebody help?
11:23<azeem>jeroen_: do you have /boot on raid1 as well?
11:23<jeroen_>azeem: yes
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11:23<lupine_85>broken initramfs ?
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11:23<jeroen_>lupine_85: how to fix that?
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11:25<jeroen_>a broken initramfs could be it, how can i fix that?
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11:27<jeroen_>i'm a bit desperate...?
11:28<lupine_85>I don't have a clue, as I don't use raid
11:28<lupine_85>did you update the kernel recently?
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11:29<jeroen_>lupine_85: yes, i did some while ago
11:29<lupine_85>and this is the first time you've rebooted since then?
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11:29<jeroen_>lupine_85: yes, i figure
11:29<lupine_85>that's what it is then. did you keep the old kernel around?
11:29<jeroen_>it is still there, but it won't boot either
11:30<lupine_85>that's a bit weird
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11:30<jeroen_>lupine_85: lol, tell me!
11:30<lupine_85>ah. Is udev installed ?
11:31<jeroen_>lupine_85: yes
11:31<seanius>jeroen_: can you boot from a rescue disk?
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11:31<jeroen_>i have acces by BussyBox
11:31<jeroen_>all my data seems fine
11:31<lupine_85>You get dumped into the initramfs when you try to boot?
11:31<jeroen_>yes
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11:32<lupine_85>well. does /dev/md1 exist?
11:32[~]cobra is away: bis 19:30
11:32<jeroen_>yes, and i can mount it manualy
11:33<jeroen_>so, what is wise to do?
11:33<lupine_85>I'm not sure, TBH
11:34<jeroen_>any clue?
11:34<lupine_85>not a one :s
11:34<lupine_85>like I said, I don't use raid
11:34<lupine_85>all my broken initramfs experience comes from lvm
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11:35<jeroen_>mm, but i can just mount all raid partitions, so is there anything i can look at?
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11:36<lupine_85>I really don't know
11:36<seanius>jeroen_: look to see if it's in your ramdisk?
11:36<seanius>try zcat yourinitrd | cpio --list | grep md
11:37<jeroen_>seanius: ok, i'll try
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11:37<haugha>I get "FATAL: No port defined" from my squid deamon.. when I try to start it.. anyone have an idea why?
11:38<haugha>Is something missing in squid.conf?
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11:39<jeroen_>seanius: does not work, got some cpio error
11:40<seanius>jeroen_: okay, how about "file yourinitrd" and "zcat yourinitrd | file -"
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11:41<jeroen_>seanius: what do you mean bu yourinitrd
11:42<seanius>/boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`
11:43<jeroen_>seanius: ah, i understood that right
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11:45<jeroen_>seanius: what should i look for?
11:46<seanius>if the first command gives some kind of wierd error, the output of the second two would be helpful
11:48<jatos>anyone here know a way to install the binary mga driver from matrox for G200/450/550 the latest ver of X.org?
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11:49<jeroen_>seanius: mm, can't get a normal output
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11:50<seanius>what does "file /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`" give?
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11:51<jeroen_>it says file: not found
11:53<seanius>oh, you're still in busybox
11:53<jeroen_>seanius: yes
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11:54<jeroen_>seanius: should i boot from a cd?
11:54<seanius>i guess you'll need to mount your / and /boot to /mnt and chroot in there
11:55<lupine_85>initramfs has pivot_root ...
11:56<jeroen_>how do i chroot into there?
11:57<seanius>lupine_85: i suppose, but i'm not super familiar with it
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11:57<jeroen_>like 'chroot /mnt/md1'?
11:58<jeroen_>and what should i do next?
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11:59<seanius>it hsould be just chroot /mnt, assuming that you mounted your / onto /mnt and /boot onto /mnt/boot
11:59<seanius>but actually if you're in busybox you can poke around in your initramfs first
11:59<jeroen_>seanius: ok, tell me what to do
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12:00<seanius>anythin in /scripts?
12:00<seanius>or ls /scripts/* | grep md
12:01<jeroen_>seanius: mdadm
12:02<jeroen_>that's it
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12:03<jeroen_>seanius: any idea?
12:04<seanius>gah, my cat just destroyed a lamp
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12:04<lupine_85>good kitty
12:04<pablum>a lamp filled with poison?
12:04<jeroen_>seanius: maybe he/she wants some attention?
12:05<seanius>apparently
12:05<seanius>i got an "mdrun" in my initramfs too. is this sarge, etch, or testing/unstable?
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12:05<pablum>cats these days... whatever happened to sitting on the keyboard?
12:06<jeroen_>seanius: testing/unstable
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12:06<seanius>oh, they do that too. in the past couple days i've been known for saying stuff like '''''aaaaaaaaaaa\\\\\sdfssss
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12:07<pablum>mine likes to wave her disturbingly polydactylic paws at me...
12:08<jeremiah>polydactylic?
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12:08<pablum>"look, I'm a cute freak!"
12:08<pablum>too many toes
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12:08<jeroen_>is it a problem i'm missing mdrun?
12:08<jeremiah>Ah. :)
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12:09<pablum>stands like a ballerina in mukluks
12:09<EmleyMoor>I have just compiled a custom kernel using the source package and make-kpkg... how do I use module-assistant to build extra modules for it before I reboot?
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12:10<seanius>jeroen_: maybe. try a chroot into /mnt and then regenerating your initramfs
12:10<EmleyMoor>(I have them for the running kernel, but not for the new one yet)
12:10<pablum>try /msg dpkg module-assistant
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12:11<jeremiah>pablum: Sorry, I came to the discussion late, what are we talking about? Your cat? :)
12:11<jeroen_>seanius: ok, what should i type to regenerate my initramfs?
12:11<EmleyMoor>pablum: That's right for the running kernel. I want it for the yet-to-run
12:11<rjent>Greetings, I need a quick way to list all drives that a system on boot found (namely ide and sata). Thanks.
12:11<pablum>tried booting into the 'yet-to-run' kernel?
12:12<seanius>update-initramfs -k all i think
12:12<pablum>df
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12:12<jeroen_>seanius: ok, i'll give it a try
12:12<EmleyMoor>pablum: No - because I want to know how to do this beforehand. I know how to do it afterwards
12:12<jeremiah>rjent: df -h
12:13<seanius>rjent: dmesg | grep "[hs]d[a-z]" , or poking around in /proc or /sys
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12:13<rjent>jermiah: thanks I will look around at those
12:13<pablum>huh
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12:14<EmleyMoor>Should the standard kernel package be able to cope if I am booting from an HPT302 card?
12:14<seanius>jeroen_: you'll also probably need to re-run lilo after this, assuming you're using lilo
12:14<seanius>and you might need to mount /proc before you can run lilo
12:14<rjent>seanius: I used to use fdisk -l but as of late I have had mixed luck with that. So I appreciate the ideas
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12:15<jatos>hey
12:15<jatos>are there any known problems with using an old version of Xorg, in particular 6.9.0
12:15<jeroen_>seanius: "update-initramfs: command not found"?
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12:15<jeroen_>seanius: i'm using grub
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12:15<jeremiah>rjent: df is 'disk free' ( a useful nemonic) and the -h flag shows human readable nunmbers.
12:16<jeroen_>seanius: ah, /usr/sbin/update... is there
12:16<jeremiah>I mean mnemonic of course. :)
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12:17<jatos>anyone?
12:17<pablum>who really says mnemonic, though? don't we all say nemonic?
12:17<jeremiah>Some good English spellers lurking in here and I wouldn't want to run afoul of the spelling and grammar police. :)
12:17<jeremiah>pablum: Silent m? Or are you joshing me?
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12:18<seanius>jeroen_: i didn't think grub supported booting with /boot on an md device
12:18<pablum>it just sounds so spastic mne! mne! :)
12:18<jeremiah>I'm building a package and -rfakeroot is failing - why would it fail?
12:19<jeremiah>pablum: heh
12:19<lupine_85>is fakeroot installed?
12:19<jeremiah>lupine_85: Amazingly enough, yes. :)
12:19<lupine_85>not a clue then
12:19<lupine_85>any useful error messages?
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12:20<jeremiah>make: *** [clean-patched] Error 1
12:20<rjent>Anyone want to recommend a good 1000mbs pcix nic?
12:20<jeremiah>Command fakeroot debian/rules clean || debian/rules clean failed in <unknown>,
12:20<jeremiah>^^
12:20<lupine_85>the problem is with debian/rules, not fakeroot
12:21<seanius>jeroen_: oh and you probably want to have /proc mounted before calling update-initramfs, in case it probes /proc to determine whether to include md stuff
12:21<jeremiah>debian/rules was modified by myself so that is highly likely. :/
12:21<lupine_85>possibly the patch process is failing for some reason (debian/patches and debian/patched?), so debian/rules is throwing an error
12:21<seanius>but you could also do the zcat/cpio/grep i provided earlier to test the updated initrd
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12:21<jeroen_>seanius: ah, i update initramfs without /proc mounted, and updated grub - did not work out...
12:21<lupine_85>jeremiah: what changes did you make?
12:22<jeroen_>i'll try again with /proc mounted
12:22<lupine_85>& what package is it?
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12:22<jeroen_>brb
12:22<jeremiah>lupine_85: Well I tried to get the rules file to remove a .packlist file
12:23<jeremiah>lupine_85: The package is in the pkg-perl repo called libnet-arp-perl
12:23<jeremiah>lupine_85: Trying to update it to a new version.
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12:24<lupine_85>can you pastebin the original debian/rules and your diff ?
12:25<jeremiah>lupine_85: yeah, I will see if I can get that. It is all kept in the pkg-perl repo so it should not be hard to get.
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12:27<jeremiah>lupine_85: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-perl?op=comp&compare%5B%5D=%2F@7023&compare%5B%5D=%2F@7024
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12:28<jeremiah>I blindly pasted in two commands suggested by lintian, not knowing the right format or where to put them in debian/rules.
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12:30<lupine_85>jeremiah: I can't read that diff properly. You added the lines highlighted in red?
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12:32<lupine_85>if so, I have to ask what the '-' at the beginning of the third line is for
12:32<jeremiah>lupine_85: Yes, exactly.
12:32<jeremiah>Not sure, that is how lintian spit it out.
12:33<lupine_85>well, it makes the line not-a-command
12:33<lupine_85>so debian/rules chokes on it
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12:34<lupine_85>can you pastebin the output of lintian?
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12:34<jeremiah>YEs, I will do that.
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12:35<laniz>could somebody help me to understand a logical thing about LVM? you can partition your hdd with fdisk lets say in 5 equal partitions. then you can add these partitions into a software RAID using LVM. on top of that you can create partitions again which you mount as /, /usr, /var, etc.?
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12:35<lupine_85>laniz: RAID is different to LVM
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12:38<lupine_85>with LVM, each partition would be a physical volume. You can add physical volumes to volume groups. Each volume group can contain logical volumes. Each logical volume is a partition
12:38<lupine_85>heh. that's not very well explained.
12:38<lupine_85>add 'that you can mount as /, /usr, etc' to the end, and that clears it up a bit
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12:39<laniz>look what i found: http://emidio.planamente.ch/pages/linux_howto_root_lvm_raid_etch.php
12:39[~]laniz smiles happily
12:40<lupine_85>yep. That your physical volumes are raid devices is immaterial to lvm
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12:41<pablum>wonky isp :-/
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12:45<oscar_>#debian-es
12:47<jeremiah>lupine_85: Sorry, I am still working on the paste-bin - just talking on #debian-perl with someone about the package
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12:52<jeroen_>seanius: while booting it says that it loads md modules succcesfully
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12:53<jeroen_>seanius: so the problem could be something else?
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12:53<seanius>jeroen_: what's in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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12:54<seanius>specifically grep ARRAY /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
12:55<jeroen_>seanius: there's a list with all the md devices, looks fine to me...
12:56<jeroen_>seanius: any other config file i could check?
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12:57<jeroen_>seanius: fstab seems fine as well
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12:58<seanius>what's the output of grep ARRAY /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
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13:00<jeroen_>seanius: ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 UUID=<snap> for all 6 devices
13:00<seanius>okay, that makes sense
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13:01<jeroen_>seanius: yeah, still no clue what could be wrong
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13:02<seanius>still, i wonder about grub and raid1. has this *ever* worked with /boot on raid1?
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13:03<seanius>though if it didn't work i'd be surprised that it got you this far and didn't kernel panic instead
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13:10<jeroen_>seanius: boot on raid1 worked fine for a couple of years now
13:10<jeroen_>seanius: i got to go, thanks for your help, although it did nt work out...
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13:14<schnobs>so I want to subscribe to the mailing list. because of earlier experience, I want to use a throw-away account. which service do you people recommend?
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13:24<monitor>oi
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13:25<byabraga>oi
13:26<monitor>tudo bem
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13:26<Eulex>!br
13:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:32<marcos>oi
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13:33<Frolic>marcos, go to #debian-br :)
13:34<monitor>oi
13:34<schnobs>polloi
13:34<pablum>ave
13:34<monitor>yes
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13:34<monitor>habla
13:35<monitor>parle
13:35<monitor>speak
13:35<Greg>lol
13:35[~]fxiny feels like receiving some strange wow signals ...
13:35<monitor>oi
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13:36<Metalqga>hey greg the USArian
13:36<Greg>:)
13:36<Metalqga>did you manage to install debian
13:36<Greg>sortof
13:36<Metalqga>great
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13:36[~]pablum likes Frank Lloyd Wright's 'Usonian'
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13:36<Greg>the bye microsoft worked great.. i wish i knew aabout it sooner
13:37<Greg>i am at work right now but the desktop is almost set up.. i have to answer a few questions
13:37<Greg>it was asking about dirmail when i was leaving
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13:38<Greg>what are some fun irc networks nowadays?
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13:41[~]Greg slices carrots
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13:47<Metalqga>what's the time there?
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13:47<Eulex>20:47
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13:48<Metalqga>thx. i asked greg
13:48<Metalqga>:D
13:48<EmleyMoor>After some years of running a heavily customised kernel, I am now trying to get to the stage where I can use the Debian-supplied kernel. However, I can't get my system to boot if I use all the options the standard one uses plus the one(s) I need to add
13:49[~]fxiny lazyness spreads ...
13:49<EmleyMoor>Any advice on what I need to do to have a running system that uses a kernel as close to standard as possible but with the /dev/hda on a card, HPT302?
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13:54<aycko>hi
13:54<aycko>is there a way to make the display of my laptop more flexible?
13:55<aycko>currently i use my laptop with a monitor. but if i use the vga then i cannot switch to laptop only.
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13:55<wycked>hi everibody
13:55<aycko>i get a blank screen
13:56<aycko>so can i seperate the signals on my laptop display and my vga slot?
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13:57<Metalqga>you want both displays to work at the same time?
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13:57<aycko>yeah, if possible. so i can switch
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13:58<aycko>there is just one other point my laptop has just crapp 1024x768 and my monitor has 1600x1400
13:58<aycko>if that works that would be wonderful ;)
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13:59<Eulex>x1400 and not x1200? are you sure?
13:59<aycko>of course you are right, my bad
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14:02<aycko>is there a plain stupid way without messing around xorg.conf?
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14:03<aycko>acutally i just want that configuration, that is made at boottime, just on the fly for the vga if that works somehow.
14:04<lupine_85>well, you could have a boot-time script that switches between different xorg.conf files depending on which is plugged in, assuming you can detect that somehow
14:04<Eulex>!drxx aycko
14:04<dpkg>aycko: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
14:05<aycko>Eulex: this way i just reconfigure my xserver-xorg to be again static. as far as i tried.
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14:06<aycko>its primary for beamers at university. i can just access them when i am pluged in to them at boottime.
14:06<Eulex>aycko, copyswap xorg.conf's around, as lupine_85 said.
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14:10<Eulex>in any case, dynamically reconfiguring screens while xorg is running does have to wait until xrandr 1.2. this is upcoming for xorg 7.3, afaik. then you will need driver support for it. this is currently only available for intel, afiak.
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14:12<monitor>oi
14:12<Eulex>!br
14:12<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:12<aycko>Eulex: So this is a debian only problem?
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14:13<Eulex>aycko, no, xorg 7.3 is not released yet. this is common to all distributions.
14:13<aycko>hmmm... but it somehow works for other people.
14:13<monitor>br
14:14<aycko>perhaps i can configure a second screen for external monitors?
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14:15<Eulex>no, no-one on xrandr that is older than than 1.2 can dynamically reconfigure screens while xorg is running. to do this, you need to restart xorg. oh... but maybe there was such support, but non-xrandr such in the nvidia driver or in fglrx. I think I've heard about it. in any case, proprietary add-on from them.
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14:16<monitor>what??
14:16<monitor>no understand!!
14:17<monitor>notting
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14:17<monitor>what is you?
14:17<Eulex>monitor, I'm not talking to you. no hablo a tú. /join #debian-br para ajuda em portugues
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14:18<aycko>Eulex: no, i dont nessessarily mean reconfigure dynamically. Actually it should be possible to output different screens on my "laptop display" and an external monitor pluged in into my vga slot.
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14:19<Eulex>aycko, yes, very possible, configure your xorg correctly.
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14:20<aycko>Eulex: manually? i heard its not good to edit this with an editor.
14:21<Eulex>well, you need to do it. also, always keep a backup.
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14:22<monitor>
14:22<monitor>who is vocês?
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14:22<monitor>who is you?
14:24[~]fxiny is haunted by wov signals
14:24<fxiny>wow*
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14:26<antony_>hi all.. newbie in linux here.. :-) How to set the mail cmd to be able to send smtp email ?
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14:28<antony_>i use "mail email@abc.com" then entered subject and data (that should be ended with . ?) and then cc ... but doesn't receive the email at all...
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14:29<monitor>of what they are speaking in this drug of chat?
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14:32<fxiny>antony_: right , so what have you done so far ? did you tell exim to use your isp as a smarthost ?
14:32<blarson>antony_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 may be what you need
14:32<antony_>fxniy: I just heard of exim right now...
14:33<antony_>blarson: thanks.. I take it that I will put in my smtp address here?
14:34<antony_>blarson: it told me to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config instead... is it correct ?
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14:35<posix>Can Etch be installed on an intel quadcore like a Dell Poweredge 2950?
14:36<Eulex>try and see?
14:36<posix>doesn't even boot the cd
14:36<Eulex>did you burn it correctly?
14:37<posix>afaik, used the same cd to install on desktops
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14:38<Eulex>ok
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14:39<lupine_85>debian will boot on almost anything :D
14:39<antony_>fxiny,blarson: just did it.. thanks :-)
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14:47<antony_>posix: have you tried booting with other bootable disc ?
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14:47<posix>yea, i386 works fine
14:47<posix>I'm not sure, but I think I should be using AMD64 instead?
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14:48<antony_>posix: why don't download a small (net/name card disc) of amd64 to try?
14:50<Greg>www.goodbye-microsoft.com
14:50<Greg>^_-
14:51<lupine_85>posix: all intel's core2-based chips can run amd64 or i385
14:51<lupine_85>erm, i386
14:51<antony_>is there anyway to put date using a script? I backup using duplicity and send the result via mail using "duplicity .... | mail -s "report" myemail
14:52<antony_>it works .. but I think it's nicer if the subject is "report 2007-08-21" instead...
14:52<lupine_85>antony_: $(date) will be replaced by the actual date & time
14:52<lupine_85>you can pass a string to the date command to format it however you like
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14:53<antony_>ok date command... I'll check the man page first (it's not that I don't RTFM, I just don't know what command to use :D )
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14:54<lupine_85>apropos is also your friend :)
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14:57<antony_>lupine_85: :D I used a man apropos and get what you mean.. :D ok .. I get the date +%Y%m%d ... but how do I put it in the middle of mail -s "reportDATE" ?
14:57<aminorex>mail -s "report`date +%Y%m%d`" ?
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14:58<lupine_85>antony_: enclosing any shell command in backticks or $() (eg `<command>` or $(<command>)) results in the shell substituting the output of that command for the string
14:59<antony_>aminorex: thanks mate.. it works just fine! :-)
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14:59<lupine_85>so calling echo $(uname -r) will tell you your kernel version, for instance
14:59<aminorex>does anyone know how to stop this on etch, apache2-mpm-prefork: Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included...
14:59<antony_>lupine_85: thanks mate :)
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15:00<aminorex>it's hard to believe there's no mod_access!
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15:16<Hostile>does anyone know a good easy to set up firewall/routing system?
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15:25<the-dude>Hostile, shorewall
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15:28<Hostile>the-dude: now thats a seperate application/package, not another router distro right?
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15:29<Hostile>the-dude: okay yeah, it seems to do what I want, I'm just a little afraid it could be difficult to set up
15:31<the-dude>Hostile, no it is not read the included documentation , its really good and simple
15:31<the-dude>even includes basic config
15:32<Hostile>the-dude: is there anyway I could get a web interface too?
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15:32<the-dude>no it does not come with a webinterface
15:32<Hostile>the-dude: yeah I know it doesn't come with one, but is there any web interface I can get or no?
15:33<the-dude>Hostile, no not that I am aware off, but I would not recommend it
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15:33<the-dude>if you want a gui perhapds guidedog is something for you
15:33<jeremiah>Hostile: You probably would not want to use anything that has a web interface for a firewall.
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15:35<the-dude>Hostile, apt-cache search iptables; and see if you like something
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15:35<Hostile>yeah thats true
15:36<Hostile>so lets see, what else will I need
15:36<Hostile>iptables, a dhcp server, shorewall
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15:38<flami>Hostile if you want a firewall maybe take a look at ipcop
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16:20<aminorex>after i finished enabling all the auth modules i needed, the Order syntax complaint went away, so i guess mod_access is linked into one of those.
16:21<aminorex>after my last dist-upgrade, i get: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: udev is broken or not fully installed
16:21<aminorex>any suggestions?
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16:23<tcsetattr>so your udev is half-dead; do you want to revive him or finish him off? :)
16:23<tcsetattr>either dpkg --configure udev or dpkg --purge udev
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16:25<tetrisro>hy
16:25<aminorex>purge has dependency issues, while configure has the same error. i guess i frob the package.
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16:28<tcsetattr>what is the current status of the package? dpkg -s udev|grep Status
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16:30<homekneet>Sending mail to an exim4 server (client configured to use start tls). Mail delivery completes (reaches Completed in /var/log/exim4/mainlog) and then the client hangs for well - long enough for thunderbird to say mail delivery failed. Any hints on what might be causing the timeouts? Where in the process?
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16:31<homekneet>Not sure what to look for on the server even (etch running exim4-daemon-heavy)
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16:34<aminorex>thanks for the hints, tcsetattr. i ran the post-install script manually and set it to installed status by hand, and now all is well
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16:34<tcsetattr>yeek
16:35<tcsetattr>homekneet, is there any way to convince thunderbird to display a log of the SMTP conversation?
16:35<homekneet>I wish I knew
16:36<homekneet>I can see other clients experiencing the same (I'd do it in telnet if it wasn't for the TLS stuff)
16:37[~]homekneet googles on thunderbird a bit
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16:39<tcsetattr>I'd suggest using s_client from the openssl package but it seems strangely missing...
16:39<homekneet>Going to try this - http://www.mozilla.org/quality/mailnews/mail-troubleshoot.html#smtp
16:39<Hostile>I have a whole media partiton with music/videos and such that I need to backup to my windows machine, do you think just select it all and download it with an FTP client would probably be the best way?
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16:40<tcsetattr>oh you're supposed to run it as "openssl s_client" now.
16:40<Starkonovich>Hostile: Samba.
16:40<Hostile>Starkonovich: I do have samba setup, so you think just copying it that way would work better?
16:41<tcsetattr>heh
16:41<Starkonovich>Hostile: Really, it doesn't matter too much the method of the transfer. Either a Samba share or FTP. Whichever one you're more comftorable with.
16:41<Hostile>Starkonovich: yeah, its just storage for files from other computers, so it should have no problems getting it all with a simple select all and copy
16:42<tcsetattr>I just looked at the mozilla troubleshooting guide homekneet mentioned, and "copy con runmozilla.bat" is my new favorite command ever
16:42<alessio76>repositories for debian gnome themes?ciao...
16:42<tcsetattr>it combines the old-time joy of batch files and "copy con" (^Z is eof!) with the new bloatiness of mozilla.
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16:45<homekneet>Nice combo.
16:45<homekneet>I seem to have a log - once sec
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16:47<homekneet>http://www.chrissearle.org/paste/index.php?id=ef90937a9e
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16:48<homekneet>Not sure that I learnt much tho
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16:55<guillaume>what I had to do in order to activate java6 jre in iceweasel ?
16:55<tcsetattr>it doesn't show any response to the final .
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16:56<homekneet>Hmm
16:56<guillaume>do I need to setup a symlink ? how ?
16:56<homekneet>Wonder why
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16:56<tcsetattr>can you ssldump the connection?
16:57<homekneet>If it can be done on the server maybe - not sure the client has the required bits
16:57<rjent>I have been running testing on servers now for over a year without any problems but is it better to run stable? Thanks
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16:58<guillaume>rjent: it depend if stability bother or not
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16:59<rjent>gullaume: well testing has been very stable, some boxes up almost 700 days
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17:00<guillaume>rjent: yes I know but the rythm of upgrade is really short
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17:00<rjent>guillaume: rythm of upgrade?
17:01<guillaume>rjent: if you create some specific software it may be a problem as you may have to rewrite code more often
17:01<rjent>guillaume: ahh, well I have a ruby application I ship on most systems that only depends on ruby
17:01<homekneet>tcsetattr: http://www.chrissearle.org/paste/index.php?id=0517fcf543
17:02<rjent>guillaume: and a base setup.
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17:02<rjent>guillaume: Well my tool is gaining some ground and perhaps I should switch to etch
17:03<homekneet>It seems that a second host here tried something at line 33 - that may well be ignorable
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17:03<guillaume>rjent: i think that ruby or sql won't cause any pb, but c or python references to specific library may do
17:04<homekneet>heh - while we talk - I can see murphy.deb.org talking to me :) Seems somehow appropriate ;)
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17:06<rjent>guillaume: well I will keep shipping out lenny until I get bit. :)
17:06<tcsetattr>looks like you didn't give ssldump the key
17:06<rjent>guillaume: thanks for the dialog.
17:06<guillaume>rjent: lenny is a good choice for web app as pakages or more recent than in etch
17:06<homekneet>tcsetattr: Hmm. Maybe not. Never used it before - let me try again
17:07<homekneet>That should be the keyfile that exim is using yes?
17:07<tcsetattr>I haven't used it before either, I just saw the description and thought it sounded good
17:07<tcsetattr>yeah it will need to know the server's secret in order to decrypt and show the session
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17:09<rjent>guillaume: while on the topic, is there an easy way to launch my app at boot time as a specific user and not root?
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17:10<lupine_85>rjent: if you're root, you can su <username> -c "command"
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17:11<rjent>lupine_85: so currently I am running as root but I want to switch it over to a user so in /etc/rc.local I just use that magic?
17:11<guillaume>rjent: you may add it in the rc.d level file you boot on maybe
17:12<lupine_85>rjent: yep
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17:13<rjent>guillaume: yes have considered that, but rc.local is pretty easy for now. I do not have my ruby program as a .deb and have been considering making it a gem.
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17:15<rjent>lupine_85 or guillaume: I am still looking for the easiest way with bash to find all hard drives that are detected at boot, any ideas?
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17:16<homekneet>Can't see any diff with the key and without
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17:19<tcsetattr>okay, let's forget ssldump since we don't know how to get it to actually decrypt.
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17:19<homekneet>Hmm - I think I know when it started. Got a sid box here - using nullmailer. The mailq is pretty full - all showing smtp: Failed: 421 galatea.chrissearle.org SMTP incoming data timeout - closing connection.
17:19<tcsetattr>is thunderbird the only client giving you trouble?
17:20<homekneet>Started around midnight 22. july
17:20<homekneet>No - everything - thunderbird (win/mac) Mail.app (mac) nullmailer (debian sid)
17:20<tcsetattr>are they _all_ using SSL? can you pick one that doesn't, and tcpdump that?
17:21<homekneet>Don't think the server will accept non ssl - but I can try
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17:21<tcsetattr>ok then... back to s_client?
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17:22<guillaume>rjent: for boot output there's dmesg
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17:22<tcsetattr>also /proc/partitions is a nice place to look, rjent
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17:25<homekneet>Heh - time to recall my SMTP spec :)
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17:25<tcsetattr>helo me ; mail from:<me@here> ; rcpt to:<you@there> ; data ; Subject: heyyyy ; .
17:26<rjent>tcsetattr: /proc/partitions list all drives found even if not mounted?
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17:26<guillaume>tcsetattr: /proc/partitions may see ntfs usb hard drive ?
17:26<tcsetattr>yeah, /proc/partitions will have everything. including unformatted disks, swap partitions...
17:26<homekneet>tcsetattr: going to need to auth first
17:26<tcsetattr>you seriously are a hardass with the security, homekneet :)
17:27<homekneet>:)
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17:27<tcsetattr>if you accept any mail from the outside world at all, it must come in without all the ssl and auth...
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17:28<homekneet>Must do.
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17:30<dondelelcaro>it may also be that you're running your mail through filters and/or milters which take way to long to process (or you're running some kind of mail throttler which keeps the connection open to tie up the sender)
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17:33<homekneet>dondelelcaro: that could well be. In fact - this sounds promising
17:34<homekneet>I see
17:34<homekneet># Slowing spammers down by holding their connection a bit
17:34<homekneet>TEERGRUBE = 60s
17:34<homekneet>But only in the clamav config
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17:35<rjent>If a drive is listed in /etc/fstab but does not really exist will this stop the boot process or just skip on with an error messgae?
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17:35<lupine_85>rjent: error message
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17:35<lupine_85>well, warning I guess
17:35<tcsetattr>according to spec, clients MUST wait at least 10 minutes for the server to reply to the end of data
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17:36<lupine_85>10 minutes?
17:36<lupine_85>considerable lol
17:36<skedar>...
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17:36<tcsetattr>with good rationale: that is the critical point in handing over responsibility for the message. if the timeout is too short you get duplicates
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17:36<guspad>hi
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17:36<lupine_85>I guess, but... ten minutes
17:37<tcsetattr>RFC2821 4.5.3.2
17:37<lupine_85>that'd be a pain on non-threaded mail clients ;)
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17:37<guspad>does anyone know how to know which packages depend on a specific package ?
17:37<homekneet>From what I can see - delay = TEERGRUBE (which is set to 60s) will occur if demime errorlevel is too high, if an object of exe:com:vbs:bat:pif:scr is sent or if clamav found something naughty
17:37<lupine_85>guspad: rdepends ?
17:38<guspad>lupine_85, is that a command ?
17:38<lupine_85>no, it's a field
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17:38<tcsetattr>"apt-cache rdepends" is a command though.
17:38<homekneet>Thing is - I can see both spamassassin and clamav completing _before_ local delivery. And local delivery completes way way way before it times out (suspiciously enough about 60 sec or so)
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17:38<lupine_85>oh, wait. so it is
17:38<lupine_85>http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=apt-rdepends
17:39<guspad>great
17:39<guspad>thanks guys
17:39<lupine_85>np
17:39[~]lupine_85 notches up another internet
17:40<tcsetattr>the first step here has to be assigning blame to either the client or the server. and to do that you need to find out whether that last "250 OK" message is really making it over the wire or not.
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17:40<tcsetattr>so far you've failed to do that because of being an uptight jerk about SSL
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17:41<tcsetattr>tcpdump -X would have answered this a long time ago
17:41<jim>hi whats the dif with debian and ubuntu servers?
17:41<homekneet>Put it this way - my folks used to connect non-SSL until the day that their password got sniffed and my mail server _sank_ under the load of spam mail sent
17:41<tcsetattr>can't even tell us whether the problem is unique to SSL connections or not
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17:42<tcsetattr>you should at least be able to non-SSL connect to localhost!
17:42<homekneet>But - since it affects all clients (across several OSes) then I suspect that it is not client specific. It may be routing specific tho.
17:42<frank>homekneet: so only offer auth if tls enabled ..
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17:43<tcsetattr>what AUTH methods are you doing? AUTH LOGIN is easy enough to do by hand :)
17:43<tcsetattr>you're all-Kerberos-all-the-time I suppose
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17:44<homekneet>localhost is working fine - gives a 250 OK id=1INFyW-0004Eh-97
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17:45<tcsetattr>ok, now can you do an "openssl s_client" to localhost?
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17:45<tcsetattr>or telnet-ssl -z ssl, I suppose, is almost the same thing
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17:47<homekneet>Just figured something (feel free to shout stupid). As stated above - mail to a local user needs to be accepted even if no auth. I did try - and it failed - but - seems to be that I screwed that up in typing - since a retry just went. So - local sid machien to server no ssl - OK - 250 OK returned
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17:47<homekneet>Now to try s_client
17:47<tcsetattr>oh but wait STARTTLS is different... telnet-ssl has a command for that
17:47<frapes_drinker>hello everyone. I found a bug (I think) on ogg tag editing. What should I do?
17:47<tcsetattr>s_client would be OK if you have port 465 enabled
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17:48<homekneet>I do have
17:48<homekneet>But
17:48<homekneet>MAIL FROM: chris@chrissearle.org
17:48<homekneet>250 OK
17:48<homekneet>RCPT TO: chris@chrissearle.org
17:48<homekneet>RENEGOTIATING
17:48<homekneet>6603:error:140940F5:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:unexpected record:s3_pkt.c:1207:
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17:48<homekneet>Oops - forgot that
17:48<homekneet>Hang on
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17:49<homekneet>http://www.chrissearle.org/paste/index.php?id=399b78d9a3
17:49<homekneet>So - I can send non-ssl - but - openssl s_client bombs out at this point. This has to be different to the mail client - since that actually sends the mail
17:50<tcsetattr>looks like you were not on port 465?
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17:50<homekneet>openssl s_client -connect mail.chrissearle.org:465
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17:50<tcsetattr>465 is the Microsoft "use SSL wrapped around a plain SMTP session" port, whereas standard SMTP-over-TLS starts out unencrypted and switches with the STARTTLS command
17:50<homekneet>It does all the cert handshake OK
17:51<tcsetattr>oh, that's weird
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17:51<homekneet>I also tried openssl s_client -starttls smtp -connect mail.chrissearle.org:25
17:51<homekneet>Gives
17:51<homekneet>CONNECTED(00000003)
17:51<homekneet>6632:error:140770FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_clnt.c:567:
17:52<homekneet>Although the man page says - smtp and pop3 are the only supported
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17:53<tcsetattr>that's what I get when I connect to an SMTP server that doesn't support SSL at all
17:53<homekneet>How odd
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17:54<homekneet>It certainly does - announces it to ehlo and my mail clients are definitly hitting it - we may not have decrypted it but we saw the traffic
17:54<tcsetattr>put an "strace -e write,read" on the front of that s_client command
17:54<derek>I had my rt2570 wireless card working with iwconfig on gentoo (emerge rt2570 wireless-tools handled most of it) but am a new user to Debian and don't understand it at all really. I've checked the wiki but couldn't find anything. How do I set my wireless connection up?
17:54<tcsetattr>and see what it reads after the STARTTLS write
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17:59<themill>derek: please don't ask the same question both here and on freenode.
17:59<homekneet>tcsetattr: http://www.chrissearle.org/paste/index.php?id=febae71387
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18:03<tcsetattr>damn... the critical error message "503 STARTTLS command used when n" got truncated. add the -s4096 option to strace to see the rest of it
18:03<dnanar>hi all !
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18:03<homekneet>503 STARTTLS command used when not advertised
18:03<homekneet>Which is interesting
18:03<homekneet>Try telneting to mail.chrissearle.org 25 and saying hello
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18:03<dnanar> i have a weird question about nvidia/nv module under Xorg (Debian unstable) : i have installed nvidia proprietary module. Now, i would like to come back to nv module. I load "nv" in xorg.conf instead of "nvidia". Xorg start well. But when i'm trying to launch something like mplayer, vlc, or any 3D game, i've got a Seg fault (in each OpenGL application i think). I think it's due to some bad .so . Does anyone know how to solve this plea
18:04<homekneet>Ah
18:04<homekneet>There is a diff response to HELO and EHLO here
18:04<homekneet>Only EHLO advertises
18:04<weasel>of course
18:04<weasel>HELO is smtp, EHLO is estmp.
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18:06<homekneet>Well - s_client for starttls smtp can't see the STARTTLS being advertised. I can certainly see it from EHLO myself
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18:06<tcsetattr>does s_client send HELO or EHLO?
18:07<homekneet>Checking
18:07<tcsetattr>neither... it just sends STARTTLS from the top. well that's probably not correct behavior. Try telnet-ssl instead
18:08<homekneet>Installing
18:08<tcsetattr>with telnet-ssl you can connect, type the EHLO yourself, then type STARTTLS to tell the server you're about to switch to TLS, then hit the telnet escape key ctrl-] and tell it "startssl", and it should go.
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18:09<tcsetattr>just tried that myself on an SMTP server and it worked... so this will get us a little closer to being able to do an actual test
18:10<dnanar>anyone may help me please ? =)
18:10<tcsetattr>I never knew s_client had a -starttls option until you mentioned it. it doesn't do correct SMTPTLS. maybe a bug report is in order
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18:10<weasel>I thought s_client with -proto smtp or whatever does the ehlo first
18:11<homekneet>Odd. telnet-ssl gives me a 250 OK id=1INGOZ-0005eR-CQ
18:11<tcsetattr>nope, weasel, just proven with strace
18:11<tcsetattr>dnanar, can you try a simpler GL test like glxgears
18:11<homekneet>That was with telnet-ssl -z ssl to port 465
18:12<tcsetattr>homekneet and you got it to do the starttls and it responded with the certificate info and such?
18:12<homekneet>Not yet figured out how to use starttls on 25 yet
18:12<tcsetattr>oh you did the easy way :)
18:12<homekneet>Did show the cert - yes
18:12<tcsetattr>homekneet, scroll back about 20 lines... I told you step by step
18:12<weasel>indeed
18:13<homekneet>Cool
18:13<dnanar>tcsetattr: glxgear gives a seg fault too =)
18:14<tcsetattr>dnanar, ldd `which glxgears`
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18:16<dnanar>/usr/bin/glxgears
18:16<homekneet>tcsetattr: OK - telnet-ssl with starttls - ID comes back fine
18:17<tcsetattr>so we have one working client: telnet :)
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18:17<tcsetattr>dnanar, I told you to ldd it
18:17<homekneet>And four not-working clients - thunderbird on three OS's and Mail.app on mac
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18:19<homekneet>Well - Mail.app works actually - that waits much longer before givng up
18:19<homekneet>Timing it now - We're still waiting at 2:30
18:20<homekneet>OK - about 2 mins 45 secs to get the OK
18:20<tcsetattr>I'm almost getting motivated to learn how to use ssldump properly.
18:20<tcsetattr>so you do have a slow spam/virus/whatever filter... and your manually-sent-by-telnet messages were simple enough to get through quickly
18:20<homekneet>I'm trying to avoid the rather - hmm - anxious calls of - its getting late - don't forget you have to deliver to kindergarten tomorrow
18:20<homekneet>tcsetattr: could be
18:21<tcsetattr>during the 2 minutes and 45 seconds, check and see if something is using a lot of CPU time
18:21<homekneet>But - I don't understand why it happens that way round since I see the spamassassin and clamav before the Completed log line on the server and the completed log line comes immediatly
18:21<homekneet>uptime shows load average: 1.03, 0.98, 0.91
18:22<tcsetattr>I mean like run top(1) and watch it during the delay
18:22<homekneet>I think I'm going to have to head off to bed (to avoid "discussions" :)) - but - tomorrow I will try disabling spamassassin and clamav in turn - see if that makes a difference
18:23<homekneet>Can watch top while it runs thru too
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18:23<homekneet>You've certainly given me a lot more tools to crack at this with - debugging tls is not impossible any more - thanks lots for that - I'm going to find that real useful :)
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18:26<dnanar>tcsetattr: http://www.modseven.de/pastebin.php?id=1629 (sorry for the "latency)
18:28<tcsetattr>dnanar, now you have a list of .so files to check with dpkg -S to see if any of them are left over from the proprietary package
18:28<dnanar>oops i say something wrong. glxgears says:
18:29<dnanar>Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
18:29<dnanar>Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
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18:30<dnanar>but /etc/X11/xorg.conf contains glx
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18:31<tcsetattr>does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log say anything about glx?
18:32<dnanar>no, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep GLX returns nothing
18:32<kardan>hello, i need to reload the partition table
18:32<weasel>reboot
18:33<kardan>doesnt help
18:33<dnanar>or mount -a in root
18:34<kardan>and then?
18:34<weasel>dnanar: why would mount -a help?
18:34<weasel>kardan: reboot certainly reloads the partition table.
18:34<kardan>yes, i thought so too
18:34<dnanar>i thought it would do the job
18:35<kardan>the problem is that /proc/partitions is wrong and stays it after reboot
18:36<weasel>then maybe your partition tables are wrong?
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18:36<dnanar>tcsetattr: done some tries, going to restart the x server
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18:37<kardan>this could be. i changed some partitions, wrote the changes and encryptet the new partitions. all was well. then I unfortunately chroot
18:38<kardan>without mount proc before, so the /proc/partitions was empty
18:38<dnanar>tcsetattr: finally a really usefull script (called "envy") done all the bad stuff for me =) thanks anyway. It seems that libgl-mesa-dri and -glx were not installed =)
18:38<weasel>fdisk -l /dev/hda or whatever
18:38<weasel>that shows you the partition table as it's on the disk.
18:38<dnanar>bye all !
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18:39<kardan>after mount proc only the partitions till the ones i changed are shown, the rest a shown as free space
18:39<weasel>then you didn't write your partition table?
18:40<kardan>thats not likely becouse there were partitions before
18:41<kardan>i tried blockdev --rereadpt but it says the device i used although no partition is mounted
18:41<weasel>what does fdisk show you?
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18:42<kardan>i shows the right partitions till the point i changed one
18:42<weasel>what does fdisk show you when you change one?
18:42<weasel>man, you are really good at not saying anything at all
18:43<kardan>what to say? there 30gb shown as free where my home was before - i surely wont try to overwrite it
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18:44<kardan>so isnt there a command to reread the partition table?
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18:45<weasel>fdisk reads the partition table.
18:45<weasel>if fdisk doesn't show a partition to you, then the partition doesn't exist in the partition table.
18:45<lupine_85>kardan: did you change the partition table?
18:45<kardan>it loads it form /proc/partitions right?
18:45<weasel>NO
18:45<weasel>IT LOADS IT FROM DISK
18:45<lupine_85>re-reading it won't help if that's the case
18:45<weasel>THIS IS WHERE THE PARTITION TABLE IS STORED
18:45<lupine_85>just recreate the partition
18:45<weasel>the partition table is on disk, it holds the list of parititions
18:45<weasel>the main stuff is in the MBR, at the start of the disk
18:45<lupine_85>oh, and don't forget to hope and pray
18:46<kardan>mhh
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18:47<kardan>you think i should create partitions at the same places like before?
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18:48<kardan>the point is they were enrypted
18:48<weasel>what would that matter
18:48<kardan>could it be that some modules arent loaded?
18:49<weasel>no.
18:49<weasel>if fdisk shows you "free space" then you deleted the partition
18:49<weasel>and reloading the partition table from disk (which is where it's stored) won't help
18:49<kardan>but since chroot i wrote to them
18:49<weasel>even if you do it a million times
18:50[~]weasel gives up
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18:50<kardan>i get your point, but the data has be to still there
18:51<weasel>yes. create the partition?
18:51<kardan>but i dont know the exact size
18:51<weasel>didn't it use the entire space?
18:52<lupine_85>it doesn't matter if the partition is larger than the resident filesystem. It just has to start at the right block
18:52<lupine_85>and, of course, can't be smaller
18:52<kardan>no it was divided into some partitions and of the two were encrypted
18:52<lupine_85>well, more fool you for deleting them without backing up first
18:52<kardan>but how to find the right block?
18:52<lupine_85>was the home partition the first one? i.e. do you know where the home partition starts?
18:53<kardan>i didnt deleted them
18:53<lupine_85>yes, you did
18:53<ranix>were you using raid?
18:53<kardan>no
18:53<lupine_85>http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk might be your friend, anyway
18:53<ranix>ok, at least you have an excuse for not printing your partition table
18:54<kardan>sounds great, thanks lupine
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18:54<lupine_85>nobody has an excuse for that :p
18:54<kardan><ranix> ok, at least you have an excuse for not printing your partition table < why?
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18:55<kardan>i could show if sidux could connect
18:55<ranix>"I was lazy" is an acceptable excuse if you weren't putting thought into the layout/structure of your filesystems
18:55<lupine_85>oh... really? cool
18:55<ranix>but in the future print your partition table on a piece of paper before you delete it
18:56[~]lupine_85 wonders if his future employers would take that excuse :)
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18:56<ranix>time for HOT DOGS
18:58<litage|w>ranix: ewww do you know what they put in hot dogs?
18:58<Starkonovich>There is such a thing as a high quality hot dog :p
18:59<petemc>define quality
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18:59<lupine_85>so the meat is manually recovered, rather than mechanically recovered?
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19:00<Starkonovich>All real meat :D
19:00<lupine_85>and I'm using the term "meat" rather loosely there ;)
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19:05<ranix>meat is made of protein strands and other base components of animal matter]
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19:05<ranix>it contains few poisons
19:05<ranix>therefore I consume it
19:05<ranix>it provides me sustenance
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19:11<witte>Hello, I have a dual head X problem on my intel card
19:11<witte>I got it so that it clones the screen, but spanned dual head does not seem to work
19:12<witte>the card: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04)
19:12<witte>and a second line: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82915G Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04)
19:13<Greg>yay! it booted up
19:15<witte>and my latest xorg.conf is here http://pastebin.ca/665007
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19:16<Greg>oh great
19:16<witte>In grandr, I can not deselect the clone mode. Anyone knows what the problem could be?
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19:18<wycked>hi all. How can I know what I have to write in /etc/fstab to be able to mount my FAT32 part ?
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19:20<witte>!fstab
19:20<dpkg>hmm... fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.
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19:20<witte>ok, that could be not really helpfull..
19:21<tcsetattr>man 5 fstab is quite helpful
19:21<witte>there are 6 fields in fstab:
19:22<witte>device_to_mount where_to_mount filesystem options dumb pass
19:23<witte>where the first three should be obvious, the forth are the same as the mount options you give and 5 and 6 are described in the man 5 fstab
19:23<wycked>okay
19:23<wycked>thank you witte
19:24<witte>tcsetattr: you are right, the manual is quite good, it just looked a bit overwhelming at first sight :-)
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19:25<witte>Wycked: your line could be something like this: /dev/hda6 /fat vfat defaults 0 2
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19:25<wycked>okay I keep that
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19:27<Greg>okay so how do i install packages
19:27<Greg>i downloaded ircii
19:27<jair>guys, if I have installed on my machine "xdm" and also "gdm" where do i tell debian to start or use one or the other as default?
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19:28<wycked>jair: man gdm maybe
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19:29<jair>wycked: alright that means I will have to do man xdm as well hahaha
19:29<jair>thanks
19:29<lupine_85>dpkg-reconfigure gdm
19:29<wycked>jair: lol sorry :)
19:30<witte>!tell Greg about aptitude
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19:30<jair>lupine_85: :) that will make it work ;)
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19:31<jair>lupine_85: but there is a text file somewhere that is controlled by this command right?
19:31<witte>Greg: apt-get install aptitude;aptitude update;aptitude install ircii
19:31<Greg>well i think i have it installed.. i donno lol
19:31<wycked>what "dunno" means ? Oô
19:31<wycked>donno sorry
19:33<lupine_85>jair: no idea
19:33<Greg>could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied)
19:33<lupine_85>Greg: you need to be root
19:33<jair>lupine_85: alright my friend thanks
19:33<lupine_85>jair: i suspect it controls the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
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19:34<jair>ok
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19:37<Greg>so how do i open it.. where does it go?
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19:40<witte>Greg: how do you open what?
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19:40<Greg>ircii
19:41<witte>Greg: once installed, you type ircii in a terminal
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19:43<guillaume>how to setup java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/jre for iceweasel under lenny amd64 ? I can't run the sun test page
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19:44<tcsetattr>actually the command name for ircii is just "irc".
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19:45<witte>tcsetattr: it is? oops. I do not use it myself, and normally the command is the program name
19:45<witte>my appologies for the misinformation
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19:46<kevinl_>howdy folks
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19:46<kevinl_>any advice for getting a flat panel to work @ 1440x900? It looks like my system is running that resolution, but its only taking up part of my monitor
19:47<kevinl_>ati driver, ati rage card .. 19" monitor..
19:47<Greg>err
19:47<dondelelcaro>kevinl_: what does xdpyinfo; say?
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19:48<kevinl_>dondelelcaro, a bunch of stuff
19:48<kevinl_> dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (411x263 millimeters)
19:49<kevinl_>i think something is using the wrong aspect ratio, or something
19:49<kevinl_>i put DisplaySize 1440 900 in my xorg.conf
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19:51<wycked>witte: with defaults options on fstab, will I have read/write access to my fat part with nonroot user ?
19:52<guillaume>as i don't find any package sun-java6-plugin for amd64, is it possible to get jre working under iceweasel ?
19:52<wycked>sorry for my english :/
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19:53<Greg>cool deal
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19:54<Greg>it says im banned from this channel
19:54<Greg>hmms
19:56<kevinl_>so ya, my X is running at the right resolution, but its only taking up part of the screen. anyone dealt with this problem before?
19:56<witte>wycked: it could be that you have to set "default,umask=000"
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19:56<jair>does anyone here run vmware-server with fluxbox or blackbox or other WM not as gnome or kde
19:56<witte>wycked: it has been a long time ago that i had a fat partition :)
19:56<wycked>witte: and if I put the same parameters than / and /home .. ?
19:57<wycked>witte: lol I understand :D
19:57<jair>I got it :)
19:57<jair>I just needed to run it as user instead root :D
19:57<wycked>witte: "rw,user,noauto"
19:57<Greg>can you only be in one channel? this is crazy
19:59<witte>wycked: that options could be intersting for your fat partitoin
19:59<witte>wycked: but i do not think those are appropriate for your / and /home
19:59<wycked>witte: I think I have to restart my system for the modifications take effect
19:59<tcsetattr>Greg, if you just started up ircii for the first time you're probably in novice mode, which only allows one channel at a time
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19:59<wycked>witte: oh yeah now you say it .. It's the options for USB and Floppy ! :D
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20:00<witte>wycked: no, that is not needed, you can do a mount -a after configuration
20:00<wycked>okay thank you witte :)
20:01<wycked>:( it doesn't work :(
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20:02<witte>wycked: I brought my cristal ball to the cleaners this morning, you will have to tell me what specifically does not work, and what you tried
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20:03<witte>wycked: if you put option 'user', the disk will only mount if you ask for it
20:04<wycked>witte: so, I type mount -a and after I open Thunar (my browser) and then there are no more mounted partition than before I did it. And I try to type "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/win_m but it says that /mnt/win_m doesn't exist
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20:04<wycked>arf okay
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20:04<witte>wycked: so you should make that directory :) ==> mkdir /mnt/win_m
20:05<wycked>oh damn I'm stupid -__-
20:05<witte>wycked: and normally, if you configured it correctly, you should be able to call "mount /mnt/win_m" as a normal user
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20:05<wycked>I try
20:06<wycked>it works ! \o/
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20:06<witte>wycked: nice, ok, I'm going home, good luck with your fat mount :)
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20:06<wycked>witte: now if I remove "user" from the options in fstab, that will mount automaticly my partition ?
20:07<wycked>okay
20:07<wycked>home sweet home ! :)
20:07<wycked>I'm speaking alone ! :P
20:07<guillaume>does anybody here got an iceweasel browser running java applets under amd64 ?
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20:08<wycked>guillaume: not me, sorry
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20:19<CODEOFDEATH69>hola
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20:29<juanjo_m_m>buenas noches alguien que conozca de configuración de redes
20:29<wycked>juanjo_m_m: speak english
20:30<juanjo_m_m>excuseme
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20:31<chealer>!tell juanjo_m_m about en
20:31<Ouroboros>is it possible to modify HTTP payload using iptables?
20:31<chealer>uh
20:31<chealer>!tell juanjo_m_m about es
20:32<wycked>!tell chealer about tell :p
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20:32<chealer>[21:32:17] <dpkg> No, chealer, I won't. (target invalid?)
20:33<chealer>dpkg: wycked broke you
20:33<wycked>chealer: sorry :D
20:34<jair>anyone use lvm in debian ?
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20:46<alaya>hmm there is no libapache2-mod-ssl package for apache2 in etch. does this mean it was compiled with ssl support? a2enmod shows it available as option, but /sbin/apache2 -V does not show -D SSL flag
20:47<guillaume>jair: lvm2
20:48<alaya>normally you install libapache2-mod-ssl then get a nice virtual host entry in sites-available and an ssl subdirectory with all the correct conf stuff in /etc/apache2...
20:49<alaya>and it even sets up a basic cert for you...
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20:50<jair>guillaume: yes :)
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20:53<guillaume>jair: what's your question ?
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20:54<jair>guillaume: how will I backup a VG?
20:54<jair>guillaume: I mean the logical volumes
20:54<jair>or the system in general
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20:56<jair>I have the system VG "rhenan" with one physical volume "hda" 40GB I create another VG with two Physical Disks /dev/sda and /dev/hdb
20:56<jair>guillaume: so I have now two VG
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20:57<jair>guillaume: my question is now: showuld I just add the to the existing VG or should I create a new VG with this two disks on it
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21:02<guillaume>jair: have u read the howto ?
21:03<jair>I am doing that my friend
21:03<jair>I think I will leave home alone and create a new VG and use all the disks there
21:04<guillaume>jair: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html
21:04<jair>guillaume: I am reading it my friend
21:04<jair>Thanks
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21:17<ranix>hey, does anyone know of a good command line client for muds besides tintin++? I would like tintin a lot but I want to have one line for text input (ncurses style, like irssi)
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21:17<ranix>I'm amazed to see they're all for X
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21:44<Mish>!rus
21:44[~]Mish sigh
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21:45<JasonS>!ru
21:45<dpkg>from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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21:48<GuHhH>how do i know if a virus was scanned by clamav when im using postfix + amavis + clamav + spamassassin? mail.log, syslog? can someone help?
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21:59<ranix>this guy on the internet does not believe that the amd64 kernel works with the core 2 duo
21:59<ranix>he is asking for a kernel "optimized for the core 2 duo"
21:59<ranix>I said, amd64
21:59<ranix>he says, "no, really. I'm serious"
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22:00<ranix>He thinks I'm trolling him
22:00<ranix>it is very funny
22:01<chealer>!tell ranix about enter
22:01<wycked>anybody has still installed ntfs-3g here ? :/
22:01<gsimmons>GuHhH: Check the headers of a processed mail message. If you're using ClamAV with a content filter, it's likely to add one concerning this.
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22:12<Andrico>How do I edit /etc/x11/xorg.conf?
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22:13<loserbar>question to anyone whose out there. is debian-unofficial dead? and is it no longer practical to have it in one's source list?
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22:13<razorbuzz>razorbuzz2
22:13<Andrico>...
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22:13<loserbar>andrico: you need to edit it as root
22:14<wycked>Andrico: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:14<loserbar>and anything in the /etc is more than likely going to have the same privilages
22:14<Andrico>oh, coolio
22:14<Andrico>I tried gedit.
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22:14<loserbar>vi isnt for the faint hearted btw
22:14<wycked>Andrico: but as loserbar says, you have to run vi as root
22:14<chealer>Andrico: unless you mean to edit it "manually", # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
22:14<loserbar>it takes a little getting used to
22:15<loserbar>chealer has a point there
22:15<loserbar>in fact i believe it says that in the file
22:15<Andrico>no, that was exactly what I was looking to do.
22:15<loserbar>so do that
22:15<Andrico>For whatever reason, my settings kept getting reset.
22:16<loserbar>on boot?
22:16<loserbar>or have you just upgraded
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22:16<Andrico>Even though it said that the settings were changed, I don't think they were. I haven't been able to get out of 800x600 which I can't take.
22:17<loserbar>ah
22:17<loserbar>is this a fresh install?
22:17<Andrico>yes
22:17<Andrico>I'm gonna try that now.
22:18<Andrico>except, how do I save it after editing it?
22:18<loserbar>okay well i would try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
22:18<loserbar>in vi?
22:18<Andrico>yes, in vi
22:19<loserbar>you know i dont really know
22:19<loserbar>oh
22:19<loserbar>you have to do :save i believe
22:19<loserbar>the way it works i think is that you have to give it commands
22:20<loserbar>i really dont use vi to be honest with you
22:20<Andrico>ah
22:20<loserbar>next time if you wanna use a good cmd editor try nano
22:20<loserbar>good in the sense that its easier to use than vi
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22:20<Andrico>ah ha
22:21<deejoe>isn't 'joe' the sensible-editor these days?
22:21<loserbar>what?
22:22<loserbar>haha
22:22<loserbar>i actually dont have joe on my system im installing it now
22:22<deejoe>:-)
22:22<loserbar>what gave you that impression though
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22:23<deejoe>ls -ld /etc/alternatives/editor
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22:25<loserbar>ah
22:25<amp>cat /usr/bin/sensible-editor
22:25<deejoe>ah, ldd says it depends on one more library, and is about 2.5 times bigger than nano, though.
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22:27<loserbar>it seems joe is intended for a broad range of formatting
22:27<loserbar>i guess thats why its sensible
22:27<loserbar>man joe
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22:36<loserbar>so noone here knows anything about debian-unofficial and whether or not its worth using anymore?
22:37<deejoe>do you mean debian-testing, loserbar?
22:38<loserbar>no i mean the repository
22:38<deejoe>ah.
22:38<chealer>loserbar: panthera should know something about it ;)
22:38<loserbar>yeah i was looking through the site and all of the files are from last fall
22:38<loserbar>when etch was still testing
22:39<loserbar>i feel like i should drop it from my sources.list but im not certain
22:39<loserbar>and if i were still using depreciated packages would it compromise anything aptitude wouldnt find
22:40<loserbar>i guess i just need a second opinion ;)
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22:49<ariel>hola alguien que hable español....
22:50<chealer>!tell ariel about es
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22:50<ariel>gracias
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23:03[~]piper is putting more beer in fridge: Gone away for now.
23:03<Brudus>I installed a program from synaptic and it didn't put it self in any menus. Where can I find this program?
23:03<gsimmons>Brudus: Which program did you install?
23:03<loserbar>try sudo update-menus -v
23:04<Brudus>democracyplayer
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23:08<gsimmons>Brudus: "Democracy Player" should be at Apps/Net in the Debian menu.
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23:09<Brudus>thank you i found it.
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23:11<piper>Democracy Player 0.9.6 Released - Last version ever ! (before name change Miro 1.0)
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23:14<mzhang>dli: there?
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23:31<manphiz>chealer, seems packages.qa.debian.org is out-of-sync for several days. There are also some complaints on debian-devel mailing list.
23:31<chealer>manphiz: indeed...why do you tell me that?
23:32<manphiz>chealer, oh, I've got an impression that you maybe in charge ;)
23:33<manphiz>sorry if I was wrong ;)
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23:34<chealer>manphiz: hehe. I'm not in charge.
23:34<manphiz>chealer, sorry for the bothering :)
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