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---Logopened Tue Aug 21 00:03:07 2007
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00:10<usb>hi how do i replace a file in a ntfs volume in rescue linux. i cant seem to mount the partition anyone
00:11<usb>i try dev/hda1 is this write ?
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00:12<usb>nobody loves me
00:13<manphiz>usb, perhaps non-achievable with current kernel ntfs driver, which has very limited write functionality, and maybe disable by default.
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00:13<Nemoder>usb: try cfdisk -Ps /dev/hda
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00:14<usb>this rescue linux is for ntfs and usb to rescue files .
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00:15<usb>ok so what would i type to transfer winlogon from floppy to partition hda1 c:/windows/system32
00:16<Nemoder>check cfdisk to make sure hda1 is the correct partition
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00:22<usb>cfdisk not found
00:22<Nemoder>need to run it as root
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00:23<usb>how run as root ?
00:23<Nemoder>you can run it via sudo or just type su to switch to root
00:24<usb>su or sudo no worrk all i got is rescue:/#
00:25<usb>dir gives bin dev floppy ect lib mnt proc root sbin tmp usr var
00:25<Nemoder>there's no cfdisk in /sbin ?
00:26<usb>cfdisk: not found
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00:27<admon>can anyone explain to me how to get unrar to work
00:27<admon>i think i need to get the non-free version, what server do i add to apt?
00:27<gsimmons>!tell admon -about non-free
00:28<Nemoder>admon: same server you are using, just need to add non-free at the end
00:29<admon>sources.lst is in etc?
00:29<Nemoder> /etc/apt/
00:29<gsimmons>admon: /etc/apt/sources.list. After amending and updating, the package you want to install is 'unrar'.
00:30<Nemoder>"rar" will extract files also, just have to run it with the x parameter
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00:31<usb>whats the best way to replace winlogon on ntfs not bootable partition
00:32<usb>i have no cd rom and 2 un bootablke partitions
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00:32<usb>damn ntfs
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00:34<usb>xp screen loads then a blue screen blips and it reboots
00:34<usb>i think because the winlogon is bad
00:35<admon> etch main contrib non-free
00:35<Nemoder>usb: support for windows is just a bit offtopic here
00:35<admon>is it suppose to look like that?
00:35<admon>because thats giving me an error
00:36<usb>im using a rescue linux to creep around these ntfs volumes
00:36<Nemoder>admon: looks right, did you run apt-get update ?
00:36<gsimmons>admon: Looks fine, provided you have "deb " before that.
00:36<usb>but dunno what to type to do what i wanna do
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00:36<baloo>usb: You shouldn'ta done that, he's just a boy... poor li'l feller.
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00:37<ricky>usb: Perhaps ##windows will have a suggestion about "rescue installes" or something.
00:37<usb>no i dug myself into the ntfs hell trap
00:38<usb>the volume was fat32 with xp installation files i would use 98 boot disk to run smartdrv and winnt
00:38<usb>then i switched to ntfs
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00:39<usb>can someone hack my brain and give me linux power
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00:41<usb>-sh: dev/hda1: Permission denied
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00:44<usb>peace out
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01:18<flair>hi all, whats a good mail server that's fast, secure, and not too hard to setup?
01:19<Berge>flair: Exim, for instance.
01:19<Berge>flair: But keep in mind that e-mail servers are non-trivial except for very basic stuff.
01:19<Berge>(Not particularly difficult, but still.)
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01:21<flair>alright thanks.
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02:04<Greg>anyone around?
02:04<tcsetattr>not unless you say something interesting.
02:05<Greg>umm ^_-
02:05<tcsetattr>with that kidn of intro you only get the response from people who are here and BORED.
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02:05<Greg>im use to windows.. and i have putty on here and i have this desktop sitting next to me on debian.. and i can't connect to it
02:05<tcsetattr>if you take the lack of response as indication that nobody is looking, you might just be wrong.
02:05<Greg>its on the same network as me
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02:06<Greg>well i need someone that is bored.. cuz i need tons of helps
02:06<blarson>Greg: aptitude install openssh-server
02:07<manphiz>Greg, well, sitting together doesn't need to be connected :P
02:07<Greg>isn't apache preinstalled?
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02:09<Caity>hello,anyone around/
02:09<Caity>yay!;I have a question.
02:09<blarson>Greg: only if you installed it. I think there is a web server task that includes it.
02:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
02:10<Greg>i remember seeing asking about apache when booting debian
02:10<Caity>cdromis scsibus
02:11<Greg>whats wrong with your cdrom
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02:12<Caity>it works fine, but i am trying a live cd
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02:13<Caity>in which i have to enter @ boot where the cd'sroot file system is
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02:13<Greg>did you?
02:13<Caity>I keep getting kernel panics when it can't find the root filesystem
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02:14<Caity>onn the cd
02:14<Greg>what OS did you burn the cd from?
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02:15<Caity>it's a debian based live system. custom tweaks and package selections
02:16<Caity>kind of a further stripped down base (network)install
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02:18<blarson>Caity: Did you use the scripts from to create it?
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02:20<Caity>yes,well..some. here and there. helpof friends
02:21<Caity>i got it to boot on a computer where root=/dev/hdc
02:22<Caity>but nowi am trying to run iton a scsi bus-ed cdrom drive
02:22<blarson>Caity: If you are using root=/dev/hdc it's not realy running a live CD
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02:23<blarson>Caity: unless that's your cdrom drive, but you realy shouldn't hardcode that on a live cd.
02:23<Caity>hdc was the cdrom drive
02:24<blarson>Caity: a scsi cdrom would be /dev/scd0 (or 1, or 2, etc.)
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02:25<blarson>Caity: All live CDs I've seen use a ramdisk or merged filesystem for root.
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02:30<Greg>how do i get lha archiver installed
02:31<Greg>and how do you know how to do this apt-get and apptitude
02:31<tcsetattr>how do you install LHA?! first take a time machine back to 1992 when someone might have still been using it
02:33<tcsetattr>actually it's in non-free
02:33<Greg>yea i see it there.. do i just do wget?
02:35<tcsetattr>if you have non-free in your soruces.list, aptitude will be able to install it
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02:36<Greg>and while i have your attention
02:36<Greg> why can i connect via putty ssh by the domain name but not by localhost or its a desktop sitting next to me :-/
02:36<tcsetattr>uh, localhost is not the machine next to the one you're on... it's the one you're on!
02:37<Greg>well i also tried my ip?
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02:37<Greg>im not too good at all this i guess
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02:37<Greg>im on a network so all computers on the network putout the same public ip
02:38<tcsetattr>your machines all have individual IP addresses.
02:38<tcsetattr>man I hate IP masquerading.
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02:39<Greg>i went to on the debian computer
02:39<Greg>wont connect
02:39<fatal>Greg: that's because it's not your computers ip.... that ip belongs to your "firewall" which does network adress translation.
02:41<tcsetattr>holy crap.
02:41<tcsetattr>OK important lesson here: never do that stupid "" thing again.
02:41<Greg>hey now im learning
02:41<Greg>how should i get my ip from now on
02:41<tcsetattr>how about ifconfig?
02:41<gypson>try ifconfig
02:42<Greg>that gives me the network ip
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02:42<Greg>how can i make it so you can connect to it or anyone
02:42<chasetoys>anyone know how to get the thinkfinger working?
02:42<chasetoys>im having trouble with last steps
02:42<tcsetattr>and don't say "my IP"... that's one of many clues that "" is moronic. IP stands for "Internet Protocol". It is not "your Internet Protocol" it is your network _address_.
02:42<chasetoys>specifically confugiriuign pam
02:43<tcsetattr>people who have a clue don't use the abbreviation "IP" alone to mean "IP address"
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02:45<doug_>ok i asked this in ubuntu server no one answered me
02:46<tcsetattr>so when you see someone say anything like "my IP is", run away. that is an idiot whose mutterings are as reliable as the squawks of a parrot that's been taught to say "IP! IP!"
02:46<doug_>i did a full xp install and then i did a 60gb install of ubuntu but its showing only 29.9gb installed of ubuntu what happened
02:46<dpkg>yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on - See also <based on debian caveats>.
02:47<Greg>lol tcsetattr!
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02:48<tcsetattr>so did you run ifconfig yet?
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02:49<gypson>Greg: on my university there is a central server which allows ssh access from the internet, so i am able to ssh from it to my computer
02:50<Greg>this is at my house
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02:50<tcsetattr>now look at the ifconfig output, each interface has an address listed like this "inet addr:"
02:51<tcsetattr>the one you want is probably on eth0, maybe eth1 if you have more than one interface
02:51<tcsetattr>that'll be the actual IP address this machine uses on the local network.
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02:51<Greg>i don't see that
02:52<Greg>i see inet addr
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02:53<tcsetattr>you see it but you don't see it?
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02:54<Greg>well i mean i see the address
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02:54<tcsetattr>ok then!
02:54<tcsetattr>go put in your ssh client!
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02:55<Greg>well yea.. i know that works
02:55<tcsetattr>how much more clear can I make this?
02:55<Greg>but that wont work for you
02:55<tcsetattr>lucky I don't want to ssh into your machine then :)
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02:55<Greg>i guess i asked the wrong question.. im wanting you to beable to
02:55<tcsetattr>you want to forward the port from your NAT gateway... this question is 100% about your NAT gateway and 0% about your Debian box
02:55<Greg>id rather type the domain name than remember the network address
02:55<tcsetattr>now that we've found the actual question :)
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02:56<Greg>so like why does my gui look so ghetto... time from 1980 or something and the resolution.. lol
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02:57<tcsetattr> is a private IP address, it doesn't cross the Internet. your ISP (Charter) probably gives you a single publicly usable IP address, currently that is assigned to your gateway.
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02:57<Greg>but my router is blocking connections?
02:57<tcsetattr>when someone on the outside does an ssh that that address, he's talking to your gateway... you have to tell it to forward the ssh connection to the debian box
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02:58<tcsetattr>it's not necessarily "blocking" it's just a case of "not having any idea what you want to do with this connection because you haven't TOLD it to forward port 22 to"
02:58<Greg>your a smart cookie
02:58<seanius>usually there's an option to do stuff like that in your routers web interface
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03:05<chasetoys>hey folks
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03:08<asdfasdfasdfasdf>how do i remove pckages in knoppix
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03:12<seanius>it helps if you stay in the chat room
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03:12<asfdasdfasdf>how do i add and remove programs in knoppix
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03:12<tcsetattr>this isn't #knoppix and your nick is lame
03:13<asfdasdfasdf>how do i get to that channel :-)
03:13<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unoffical:
03:13<asfdasdfasdf>and your nick is som much better
03:13<tcsetattr>probably using apt-get.
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03:14<stuart>can someone advise how do run firestarter? (I dont have permission under KDE, but it works fine in Gnome)
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03:22<stuart>yes, sudo works from the terminal (and doesnt even ask for a password). But how do i run it normally?
03:22<seanius>i would guess that the gnome menu calls the progarm prefixed with a gksu or similar
03:23<seanius>i would look at the properties for the gnome menu entry for it, and then make sure that the kde menu entry looks the same
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03:23<stuart>in konqueror, when i look at properties and permissions, the setttings are greyed out
03:24<stuart>and firestarter "belongs" to root
03:24<stuart>not sure how to change that
03:24<stuart>or even if i should
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03:29<utterfly>thhis is really serious problem
03:29<utterfly>i downloaded net inst lenny debian
03:29<utterfly> is empty
03:29<utterfly>what can i do
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03:30<dli>utterfly, use stable, not daily-builds then
03:30<utterfly>what is address of stable ?
03:32<dli>!tell utterfly about d-i
03:33<utterfly>The requested URL /debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso was not found on this server.
03:33<utterfly>hmm ?
03:34<padski>utterfly: try r1
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03:35<dli>padski, they forgot to update the links!
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03:36<padski>dli, practice makes perfect ;-)
03:36<padski>dli, how do we file the bug ?
03:37<dli>!tell padski about bug
03:38<dli>padski, I'm always too lazy to file debian bugs, strange psychological thing
03:39<padski>dli: not at all. see
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03:40<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt>
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03:42<padski>dli: and also
03:45<dli>padski, no, I do file bugs for gentoo, but debian is always so stable, and maintainers so professional, I always think the maintainers already knew it
03:47<padski>dli: yeah, I find my ratio of bad bugs to good bugs (ie: as filed by me) is pretty poor :-(
03:47<stuart>echo -e '#'\!'/bin/sh\nsudo firestarter --start-hidden' > ~/.kde/Autostart/firestarter
03:47<stuart> chmod a+x ~/.kde/Autostart/firestarter
03:47<stuart>can someone translate those 2 lines for me
03:48<stuart>it's sposed to be code to have firestarter start automatically with KDE
03:48<padski>dli: there is an interface in reportbug to enable you to check whether a bug already exists. even though it is very powerful, it can still be a bit overwhelming on packages with hundreds of bugs
03:48<dli>stuart, it autostarts firestarter in kde
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03:48<fatal>stuart: the first creates a file with two lines in it, the other sets the file as executable.
03:49<dli>stuart, I don't see the point of starting firestarter from kde, it's firewall thing (NAT?), then, it belongs to init
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03:49<dondelelcaro>in general, if you're trying to figure out if someone has filed a bug,; and will help you figure out if the bug has been filed already
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03:50<stuart>dli: i dont understand. All i want is for the firewall to run. Currently i cant even start it unless from terminal with sudo
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03:51<stuart>in Gnome i just added it to the sessions manager thingy as a startup program. In KDE?
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03:51<stuart>by the way: that code taken from
03:52<dli>stuart, try: apt-get install sux, then, in user terminal: sux firestarter
03:53<padski>"Debian from Scratch" ... "The reason I did that was my CD was scratched" :-)
03:54<stuart>dli: is that prefereable to ...
03:54<stuart>... username ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/firestarter
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03:56<dli>stuart, you want NAT (router), right?
03:56<stuart>dli: Im using a router, if thats what you mean, yes
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03:57<dli>stuart, I just mean, why do you have to use firestarter?
03:58<stuart>dli: are you saying i should rely on the routers firewall? or use other software router?
03:58<stuart>dli: woops other firewall software
03:59<stuart>dli: firestarter is simple - it matches my Linux expertise.
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04:00<dli>stuart, if you want security, try: apt-get install psad bastille
04:00<stuart>dli: security is good, but it has to be a no brainer. I am not an administrator or security expert. Is that still appropriate?
04:01<dli>stuart, yes, that's why you should try bastille
04:01<dli>stuart, otherwise, try shorewall
04:01<stuart>dli: btw gksu runs firestarter and makes it "persistent" (I can close the terminal from which i invoke firestarter and it remains running)
04:02<tcsetattr>I wonder what the "firestarter" author has done to convince all these people that they need it, regardless of the fact that they can't explain why.
04:02<stuart>dli: ok, ill check them out. Why do you prefer them to firestarter in my situation?
04:02<stuart>people are running firewalls in general right?
04:02<tcsetattr>this is 2 days in a row we've gone from "I can't get firestarter to run" to "why do you need that piece of junk anyway?" and "I dunno"
04:02<dli>stuart, firestarter is removed from gentoo, so should it from debian
04:03<stuart>dli: it is inneffective?
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04:04<stuart>so everyone agrees that i need a firewall of some kind but not "Firestarter" ?
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04:04<dli>stuart, try bastille, get some sense of system security, even though bastille is a little outdated
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04:05<stuart>dli: ok, will do
04:05<tcsetattr>I'll be the disagreeable one. any so-called "firewall" that you can install on a machine that isn't dedicated solely to that purpose is just fluff, that increases the complexity and thus decreases the security of the system
04:06<tcsetattr>when you are not using Windoze, you don't need to install layer upon layer of "security" software, each doing a half-assed job of covering up the holes in the layer beneath. when we find holes, we *fix* them.
04:08<stuart>tcsetattr: I dunno, the whole security thing is a bit mystical to me coz i dont have a deep understanding of the issues, BUT given that highly paid system admins cant lock down systems for corporates i figure something is better than nothing
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04:09<stuart>tcsetattr: so do you think Suse and other Linuxes ship with firewalls just to keep ex (paranoid) window user happy or does it serve a real purpose?
04:10<tcsetattr>a real purpose when the Linux machine is being used as a gateway. otherwise it's just a placebo
04:11<dli>stuart, ordinary desktop users don't run services, therefore, don't need firewall
04:11<stuart>dli: what kind of services are you talking?
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04:12<dli>stuart, like httpd, sshd, named
04:12<stuart>dli: dont some of those services get run as a result of me connecting to websites and such?
04:13<stuart>dli: i mean my machine uses those protocols for communication
04:13<stuart>dli: or is my understabding way off
04:13<stuart>understanding even
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04:13<tcsetattr>you're the client, not the server
04:14<stuart>is it that the server is intriniscially more vulnerable or is it that it is more highly prized that it becomes a target for hacker?
04:15<Cap_J_L_Picard>stuart: No, but the server is always available on a set port so...
04:16<Cap_J_L_Picard>As a client uses any free port on connect.
04:16<stuart>ok, so server is always exposed, at greater risk to long term attempts
04:16<stuart>to compromiose it
04:16<Cap_J_L_Picard>stuart: All attempts are long term.
04:18<stuart>ok, so the randomness of the client makes it a harder nut to crack
04:18<Cap_J_L_Picard>Not just that, the server is available in that place 24/7
04:18<stuart>"in that place"?
04:18<Cap_J_L_Picard>It's stupid windows that runs services by default.
04:19<Cap_J_L_Picard>stuart: static IP and port.
04:19<stuart>what if i leave my puter an 24/7 ?
04:19<stuart>i think i have static ip
04:19<dli>stuart, server has to accept connections initialized from others, clients don't
04:20<stuart>thanks for helping my conceptual understanding
04:20<stuart>security seems like it's in the too hard basket anyways, so ill just relax a little
04:20<dli>stuart, if you run no server, then, no need for firewall
04:21<dli>stuart, however, security is more than just firewalls
04:21<Cap_J_L_Picard>Even with a server a firewall can be questionable, as that port has to remain open anyway.
04:21<Cap_J_L_Picard>stuart: Don't you have a router via ethernet?
04:22<stuart>my understanding of security is to patch and patch often and to install and run the minimum of software (given that the number of exploits is proportional to the amount of stuff installed)
04:22<stuart>yes I use a router
04:23<stuart>im not sure whether the router has the firewall turned on or not
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04:24<Cap_J_L_Picard>stuart: NAT in router is a natural firewall, it learns where a request comes from so it can route the reply to that address. But if the request came from outside it doesn't know where to route it to.
04:24<jeremiah>stuart: You most likely have one built into the router that is turned on by default.
04:25<stuart>ok, so it'sa worth ensuring NAT is on and mto go to the effort of forwarding those ports you need (eg. to play a game online)
04:26<Cap_J_L_Picard>You should need to forward unless you are running the server, but some games mess this up.
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04:26<stuart>yeah, unreal tounament 2004 doesnt like the firewall turned on i dont think
04:27<stuart>thanks again guys
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04:27<stuart>going to go grab some dinner
04:27<Cap_J_L_Picard>forwarding ports to non-existant addresses makes a good firewall to, you can't attack a computer that doesn't exist.
04:27<Cap_J_L_Picard>I gtg to work :(
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04:34<sward>(Probably pointless saying this since the people discussing have gone) That all assumes that a simple filtering firewall is there *just* to protect against access to services; it helps against configuration mistakes too, where you may inadvertently make a service available on external interfaces when you don't want to...
04:34<sward>and the main argument to knock that is that the sysadmin should be competent and not do that. In the real world that's not true.
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04:37<jeremiah>sward: You're right, if people just learned a little more about their very powerful computers.
04:37<jeremiah>Life woul dbe better for all of us.
04:38[~]piper is back.
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04:39<Tread>Spose it wouldnt be the perfect time for a noob to ask some questions then :p
04:39<jeremiah>Does anyone have any experience with snort on sid? I want to know more about the file /etc/snort/
04:39<sward>Tread: It's ok, foam cluebats don't hurt as much.
04:39<jeremiah>Tread: Fire away.
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04:40<Tread>sward: haha
04:40<Tread>ATI drivers :P
04:40<jeremiah>This channel, and debian in general, has become much nicer to n00bs over the last few years in you ask me.
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04:40<Tread>Well you've you've just jumped leaps and bounds already heh
04:41<Tread>bah type you've twice i did not
04:41<jeremiah>Tread: er, I know next to nothing about ATI hardware so you'll have to wait for someone more knowledgable.
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04:42<Tread>Thats cool :)
04:42<jeremiah>But fire off your question and some one will answer it.
04:42<Tread>OK will do.
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04:43<Tread>Thanks, alright yeah. Got an ati x800. Managed to install the proprietery drivers off ati/amd's website.
04:43<Tread>I'm assuming it just takes editing the xorg.conf now appropriately to suit, however my attempts aren't exactly working.
04:43<Tread>Just wondering about the correct method of going about it
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04:48<jeremiah>Tread: Which OS? Not Ubuntu right?
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04:48<Tread>No :p
04:49<Tread>debian 4.0
04:49<jeremiah>ok, w00t.
04:49<themill>Tread: you'd bet better to use the fglrx driver that is in debian rather than pulling the driver from the ati website.
04:49<Tread>oh ok, the one from the repos?
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04:50<themill>Tread: yes, it's in non-free.
04:50<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable
04:50<themill>!tell Tread about fglrx one-liner
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04:52<Tread>wow :p thankyou
04:52<piper>wow, downgrade xorg in unstable ?
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04:55<Tread>ty for the info guys :p
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05:20<dechande>Hey guys can someone ive me a hand with something when they get a free moment please ?
05:20<dechande>modprobe fglrx FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
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05:26<dechande>Anyone got any ideas ?... Please ? :P
05:26<dechande># modprobe fglrx FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
05:28<haugha>I'm getting this error: /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon: line 9: /usr/lib/avahi/ No such file or directory
05:28<haugha>When trying to reset the network with /etc/init.d/network restart
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05:30<padski>haugha: the missing file is part of the avahi-daemon package
05:31<padski>haugha: as is /etc/network/if-up.d/avahi-daemon
05:31<padski>haugha: incomplete install or removal ?
05:31<haugha>padski, I think my install is compleate.. how can I find out?
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05:37<padski>haugha: if you intend avahi-daemon to be installed, the easiest thing may be to apt-get --reinstall it, but you may wish to wonder why the missing flie is not there. as far as checking your install, there are various kinds of integrity checks, from those intended to spot accidental and hardware problems, through to those intended as a security measure.
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05:39<padski>haugha: of the non-security kind, debian creates md5sum lists and .list files in /var/lib/dpkg/info. I don't recall the incantation to get it to use those to check, but you could do simple checks or script with them easily.
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05:41<padski>haugha: progs like tripwire would be another, more security oriented, category.
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05:43<haugha__>W: GPG error: etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch)
05:43<haugha__>How do I get that message away?
05:43<haugha__>When running apt-get update
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05:44<seanius>haugha__: BADSIG means that there is a problem with the archive
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05:44<haugha__>I did both "etch key" and "2006 key" as stated in /msg dpkg no public key
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05:45<seanius>i think adding the keys fix a different problem with "unkown key" related warnings
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05:45<haugha__>What should I do then?
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05:50<padski>haugha__: rerun update ?
05:50<seanius>wait a day or two maybe?
05:50<padski>use a different mirror ?
05:50<haugha__>padski, it happes every time I run apt-get update
05:50<seanius>it might be in the middle of a sync, or had its sync interrupted
05:51<padski>haugha__: try a different mirror
05:51<haugha__>padski, it even happens with the mirror
05:51<lupine_85>or the keys might have changed
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05:51<lupine_85>actually, no
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05:52<haugha__>apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update <-- I did that yesturday
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05:52<padski>haugha__: what is the md5sum on the Release file ?
05:53<haugha__>padski, Where do I find the md5sum of the release file?
05:54<padski>md5sum /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_Release (or whatever the mirror is)
05:54<haugha__>0f8b5f41eab70bccc1156bf7976363de /var/lib/apt/lists/
05:55<haugha__>a18c15efea7289f38dfc241419350f10 /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_Release
05:55<padski>haugha__: interesting. different to mine, but then I suppose our mirrors may not be in sync ...
05:55<padski>but that should be the r1 Release file ?
05:56<haugha__>r1 release file??
05:56<padski>haugha__: what version does it say in that Release file ?
05:56<padski>haugha__: and what is the last line of the file
05:56<c0rnd0g>welp i'm too happy w/etch to install lenny :D thank you drive thru.
05:56<c0rnd0g>thnx for debian guys, wish i would have tried it years ago before redhat but the installer was rough :D
05:57<petemc>you only need to use it once
05:57<petemc>plus, it wasnt /that/ bad
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05:57<haugha__>padski, its an html file with lots of tags.. Dunno how to find the version
05:57<padski>when was it bad ?
05:58<padski>haugha__: it shouldbe a text file
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05:58<haugha__>padski, Hm.. strange.. but I think it dosnt matter.. it works to install applications
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05:59<jeremiah>Why is my server not starting the web server?
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06:00<jeremiah>I have the right files in /etc/rc5.d
06:00<petemc>thats not where to put them
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06:00<petemc>how did you install it?
06:00<petemc>then you shouldnt need to do anything
06:00<petemc>it should work as is
06:00<jeremiah>rc5.d starts every thing else.
06:01<jeremiah>So it is the right place to put them, (if you want the server to start at boot.)
06:01<padski>haugha__: well, if you're not worried about it ... ;-)
06:01<petemc>jeremiah: do you know how runlevels work in debian?
06:02<jeremiah>petemc: Do they work differently from other unixes?
06:02<petemc>the concept would be the same
06:02<padski>Do they work ? ;-)
06:02<padski>... if it were implemented
06:02<haugha__>padski, I'm abit worried about it
06:02<petemc>jeremiah: the default install sets things up correctly
06:02<lupine_85>the default runlevel in debian is 2
06:02<petemc>jeremiah: in rc2.d , with everything else
06:02<lupine_85>i.e. rc2.d
06:03<jeremiah>Ah, I thought it was runlevel 5
06:03<jeremiah>My mistake.
06:03<petemc>jeremiah: the other runlevels are for the admin to configure as they please
06:03<lupine_85>in rpm-based distros
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06:03<padski>haugha__: me too, and it's not even my machine :-)
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06:03<petemc>less /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz
06:03<jeremiah>Thanks petemc and lupine_85, I will go read those links.
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06:05<padski>haugha__: 'tis odd though. serves the file differently to me than (I realise these are probably more than one machine)
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06:06<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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06:06<seanius>haugha__: it definitely shouldn't be an html file. are you using some kind of wierd proxy or something?
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06:06<dechande>Hey guys any got any ideas as to why this is happening ? # modprobe fglrx
06:06<dechande>FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
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06:06<dechande>its from using apt-get to get fglrx
06:06<dechande>and using modules-assistant to build
06:07<dechande>Can give more details if neccessary
06:07<seanius>dechande: try "echo fglrx > /etc/modules" and a reboot
06:07<padski>haugha__: although when I wget them I get the same resulting file.
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06:07<padski>haugha__: please try this. wget
06:07<haugha__>seanius, I'm not using a proxy
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06:08<padski>haugha__: them md5sum _that_ file
06:08<seanius>in any case you should try removing and replacing your release file i guess
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06:08<dechande>kk thanks brb
06:08<padski>seanius: shouldn't apt-get update do that ?
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06:09<jeremiah>petemc: Well I can see the my rc2.d was completely different from my rc5 which explains the reason the servers weren't starting. Thanks again!
06:09<haugha__>padski, Ah.. I see.. its an html file which says the file got blocked
06:09<padski>haugha__: lol
06:09<haugha__>padski, I bet there is some rules in an outbound firewall which denies it
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06:09<seanius>so then you *are* using some kind of proxy
06:09<padski>haugha__: what seanius said.
06:09<haugha__>Yep. Seems so.. didnt know that
06:09<WildOS>The following lines,, is for RedHat and the rpm packaging system. What will I need to do in debian to make it identical? Can't figure out that -bp parameter..
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06:10<haugha__>What should I replace the file with?
06:11<fgh>how do i make grub update MBR after ive edited /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
06:11<padski>haugha__: the right one. can you not unblock the firewall/proxy blockage ? or use ftp instead of http ?
06:11<seanius>fgh: you don't need to
06:11<fgh>seanius: just reboot?
06:11<padski>haugha__: 'cos once you get through/around you can go back to step 1. apt-get update
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06:13<padski>haugha__: mind you, if it's a work system and they've blocked that file, you might want to pause for a moment's thought :-)
06:13<haugha__>It worked with ftp it seems
06:14<haugha__>Does it exist a ftp mirror for
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06:14<haugha__>when I tried "deb etch/updates main contrib non-free" ... it didnt worked
06:14<padski>haugha__: is it not just
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06:15<padski>haugha__: try
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06:16<haugha__>padski, cool. it works :-)
06:16<padski>haugha__: :-)
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06:18<deboch>hi all ;-)
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06:26<pablum>s/b deb stable/updates main contrib non-free
06:27<pablum>at least, according to dpkg
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06:29<chaoslynx>is there an easy way too "extract" the mails in a unix mailbox so that you can read them with icedove?
06:30<padski>chaoslynx: does icedove not read mbox ?
06:30<chaoslynx>padski: I have no idea
06:30<padski>chaoslynx: I would be surprised
06:30<chaoslynx>padski: that is the point, i need a way to get the mails out of the mbox...
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06:31<padski>chaoslynx: where are they going ?
06:31<chaoslynx>padski: well in var/mail/chaoslynx
06:31<padski>chaoslynx: is that an mbox ?
06:31<chaoslynx>padski: in that directory is an mbox...
06:32<padski>chaoslynx: that's a directory ?
06:32<chaoslynx>padski:at least i can access the mails with "mail"
06:32<petemc>cant icedove do mbox?
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06:32<chaoslynx>well i didnt find the option
06:32<themill>icedove only does mbox
06:33<petemc>how thorough was your search?
06:33<padski>themill: surely not ?
06:33<padski>themill: no imap ?
06:33<chaoslynx>i found a plugin...
06:33<themill>padski: imap and pop too, but for local storage and local pickup, mbox is the only choice
06:33<padski>themill: no maildir ?
06:33<chaoslynx>lets see if that works
06:34<themill>padski: no... that's one of it's biggest weaknesses.
06:34<chaoslynx>it just imports the mbox though...
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06:35<padski>themill: thanks. guess that answers that question then :-)
06:37<themill>chaoslynx: are you trying to get icedove to check your /var/spool/mail/$USERNAME which is in mbox format/
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06:38<chaoslynx>thermill: yes something like that
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06:39<themill>chaoslynx: well, if that is what you are trying to do then you just have to create a new account within icedove that is "Unix mailspool (movemail)" account
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06:40<chaoslynx>themill: ok i will look for that option... didnt found it the last time...
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06:40<themill>It's on the first screen when you "add account".
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06:41<chaoslynx>... dont know how i couldnt see it ... ^^
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06:47<chaoslynx>wow .... got 2365 new mails ... ^^
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06:47<themill>lucky you..... :(
06:47<makke>yeah, spam rocks ;)
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06:52<alaya>ok, found a really good guide on setting up an ssl vhost under apache2 in etch:
06:55<fatal>the guide should probably suggest the a2enmod and a2ensite commands though...
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07:06<alaya>fatal: yes exactly. i put that down in my notes.
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07:07<alaya>i didn't know that non-signed certs would work. i thought at a minimum you had to do a self-signed one for it to work
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07:08<user>any body here?
07:09<ranix>nobody but us chickens
07:09<padski>noone here but us bodies
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07:10<padski>alaya: how do you make a non-signed cert then ?
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07:12<alaya>in the directions
07:13<padski>alaya: make-ssl-cert /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem ?
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07:13<m_g>bah my brain.. what was the name of the disk check utility again?
07:13<m_g>4 or 5 characters
07:13<alaya>fsck.<your filesystem type>
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07:14<alaya>how the fsck could you forget fsck?
07:14<m_g>ahh right.. thanks. ok, so i want to use it for checking my server's disk. should i use 'telinit 1', then mount the partitions read-only and check them then or what's the best way?
07:14<m_g>heh :)
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07:15<padski>what package is make-ssl-cert in ?
07:15<padski>ssl-cert, d'oh
07:15<alaya>padski: use apt-file to search for it ;-)
07:15<frank>!tell padski about search
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07:16<alaya>m_g: i don't know. to be really safe you could run it from a rescue disk with the partition(s) unmounted
07:16<chaoslynx>!tell chaoslynx about search
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07:17<frank>chaoslynx: you can also msg the bot and ask directly ..
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07:17<padski>alaya: "Signature Algorithm: sha1WithRSAEncryption"
07:17<padski>alaya: "Issuer: C=GB, ST=Some-State, L=Some-Locality, O=One Organization, OU=One Organization Unit, CN=localhost/emailAddress=webmaster@localhost"
07:18<alaya>padski: ah so it uses some default one
07:18<m_g>alaya, ah thanks
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07:19<alaya>padski: so i guess the old way i used to do it with was slightly better, because it at least seemed as though the CA was some actual one
07:20<johnon>alaya: what do you mean rescue disk? is it a "clear" disk when there are no important things?
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07:24<alaya>based on ssl_faq.html
07:26<alaya>johnon: i mean stick knoppix in the CD and boot and run fsck from it
07:26<alaya>or any other livecd that has the appropriate disk checking tools on it
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07:27<alaya>occasionally i've seen root filesystems so messed up that that was the only way to fix them
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07:27<johnon>alaya: ok maybe i will understand it when i check in dictionary what those words mean:)
07:28<wolverine>hello people
07:28<wolverine>can anyone tell me how can I install yahoo messenger on debian 4.0?
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07:28<alaya>padski: fyi this is the old way i would do it, making the self-signed cert: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ssl/ssl_faq.html.en
07:29<padski>alaya: having looked at this kind of question in the past, I can only say that ssl is a mess. you couldn't pay me to become an expert. ISTR this was good: (took me a while to find)
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07:31<padski>I particularly enjoyed the quote "Interoperability Testing. Conclusion: It doesn't work"
07:31<themill>wolverine: use something like kopete instead
07:32<wolverine>I have it
07:32<wolverine>but it mix all of my msn and yahoo contacts
07:33<wolverine>and also I dont know how to sign in into it
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07:34<alaya>wolverine: i think yahoo has a linux download for it
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07:35<themill>wolverine: mixing the contacts is part of the point of kopete -- the phylosophy is "Why do you want to run 8 different IM programs? and why do you care what protocol and what server your chat is going through?". (You can group your contacts if you want.)
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07:35<wolverine>cause I have some contacts on my yahoo which are private
07:36<wolverine>so I prefer diff messengers
07:36<themill>wolverine: I don't know what you mean by private. It's not like your contact list gets shared around by kopete. But it's up to you.
07:36<wolverine>I already did that
07:37<wolverine>downloaded that .deb file
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07:39<padski>dww and /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ are not playing nicely :-(
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07:42<m_g>people, i got this fsck output: that's good, isn't it?
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07:43<ameyer>it's fscked...
07:44<padski>m_g: looks fine :-)
07:44[~]ameyer checks the output
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07:46<m_g>great, so the hard disk isn't broken :) thanks
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07:47<ranix>what's up m_g ?
07:47<ranix>you sound like you have a problem on your hands
07:47<m_g>uhm, do i? :)
07:47<m_g>padski says the output is good
07:48<ranix>just wondering why you're worried about a fsck
07:48<ranix>could be bad news
07:48<m_g>oh well.. the server froze while a dist-upgrade and from the on behaved strangely (I/O errors in some /etc files), so i was wondering if the disk is broken
07:48<m_g>but apparently the files were screwed during the frozen upgrade process
07:49<padski>m_g: use smartmontools
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07:50<johnon> bye
07:50<m_g>padski, will look it up, thanks
07:50<padski>m_g: if you want to know if you have a hdd problem.
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08:01<CorpseHU>i have a probem! I install a debian 4.0 with samba 3.0.24 from official stable debs. The samba does'nt handle the password databases.
08:01<CorpseHU>If the database is smbpasswd, the error is: startsmbfilepwent_internal: file /etc/samba/smbpasswd did not exist. Couldn't create new one. Error was: No such file or directoryUnable to open passdb database.
08:01<CorpseHU>if the database is tdbsam the error is: tdbsam_getsampwnam: failed to open /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb!
08:02<CorpseHU>the databases working. the pdbedit queries completed successful and the datas is right.
08:02<CorpseHU>what's wrong?
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08:04<deejoe>CorpseHU: what are the permissions on the files?
08:05[~]deejoe is wondering if smbd and nmbd are running with different privileges from what pdbedit is running.
08:05<CorpseHU>600 root:root. The file was created by the samba (starting)
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08:06<CorpseHU>the smbd and the nmbd running as root
08:07<CorpseHU>the pbedit (in test) toot
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08:07<deejoe>hmm. My working passdb.tdb is 600 root:root also.
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08:08<CorpseHU>thi is a pure install
08:09<CorpseHU>i try to add the test user
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08:09<WildOS>I just downloaded the source code for gcc-4.1 by typing apt-get source gcc-4.1. But then I noticed it was possible to do a apt-get source gcc-4.1-source. What is the difference?
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08:09<CorpseHU>the pdbedit show the successfully added user
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08:09<CorpseHU>the samba say "no such user"
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08:13<sandman>Good morning.
08:14<CorpseHU>Not good :)
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08:14<sandman>Oh yeah? What's wrong with it? :)
08:15<roco3d>good morning for you too
08:18<CorpseHU>fight samba :)
08:19<CorpseHU>UFO error
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08:21<adisbladis>Hi, i need help with adding wpasupplicant as a daemon, is there any good documentation for it or is there an easy way to do it?
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08:24<haugha>When I do: grub-install /dev/hda I get: /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive
08:25<haugha>Why's that?
08:25<berto>is /dev/hda your hard disk?
08:26<adisbladis>use --recheck, the command should be "grub-install --recheck /dev/hda"
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08:27<haugha> /boot aint mounted.. and I cant get it mounted
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08:27<haugha>I booted up my system with a slackware cd
08:28<haugha>and chrooted to the / partision
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08:28<flami>Hi is there a way to find out what hy hardrives and partitons are called? Except for looking in /dev/ ( df -h only works on mounted stuff )
08:28<haugha>After I chroot I cant mount any more partisions
08:28<Zaka>hello, how to install my "Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG" ???
08:29<miwa>flami, what about dmesg?
08:29<flami>Oh thanks
08:30<flami>ill check in there
08:30<adisbladis>flami: fdisk -l
08:30<flami>Oh yeah ^^ thats it
08:30<adisbladis>np ;)
08:31<haugha>adisbladis, WHen I do "grub-install --recheck /dev/hda" I get: could not find device for /boot NOt found or not a block device
08:32<adisbladis>haugha, then you probably have no partition mounted at /boot
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08:36<WildOS>Why is there no configure file within the gcc-4.1 source folder?
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08:37<WildOS>and no makefile...
08:38<flami>what packages do i need to have lvm? ( cant do it during install as its a remote system where i cant put in a cd )
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08:39<lupine_85>flami: udev, lvm2, lvm-common
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08:39<lupine_85>and you need the kernel modules as well, of course
08:39<lupine_85>they're included with all debian kernels these days, IIRC
08:40<flami>thats what i read
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08:41<flami>doesnt etch use udev by default anyway ?
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08:42<flami>I think im all set then ^^
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08:45<adisbladis>i get the following error while trying to /etc/init.d/networking restart /etc/network/interfaces:22: too few parameters for iface line
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08:46<lupine_85>adisbladis: so /etc/network/interfaces isn't sane
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08:46<lupine_85>is it a DHCP or static interface?
08:46<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
08:47<lupine_85>ciao :)
08:47<simone>tutti qui' utilizzate ubuntu?
08:47<lupine_85>adisbladis: "iface eth0 inet static" or "iiface eth0 inet dhcp", anyway
08:47<dpkg>yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on - See also <based on debian caveats>.
08:47<simone>mi servirebbe 1 aiutino
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08:48<simone>è possibile far legere ad ubuntu i file di musica mp3 wma?
08:48<simone>vorrei masterizzare 1 cd
08:48<lupine_85>simone: irc://
08:48<simone>qualcuno puo dirmi?
08:49<simone>irc:// (errore di visualizzazione
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08:51<Metalqga>lupine was that corean?
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08:51<lupine_85>I think you mean Korean; and no :)
08:52<lupine_85>the Hana script looks like: ㅑㅑㄷ
08:52<lupine_85>hey... I'm missing some fonts
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08:57<dechande>Hey guys quick question ive just installed fglrx without a hitch it seems but im unsure as how to setup xorg.conf, i ran the xorg config using dpkg and selected fglrx when it came to it but i still dont seem to have any kind of gl/3dx rendering past 1 frame every few minutes in glxgears, when i glxinfo | grep gl i get
08:57<dechande>server glx vendor string: SGI
08:57<dechande>server glx version string: 1.2
08:57<dechande>server glx extensions:
08:57<dechande>client glx vendor string: ATI
08:57<dechande>client glx version string: 1.3
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08:57<dechande>Sorry >_<
08:57<Metalqga>i hate fglrx
08:57<dechande>Yeah, im heading that way myself but being a laptop i cant change the card :/
08:58<Metalqga>use the free ati drivers
08:58<dechande>the ati provided ones ?
08:58<ameyer>ironically, the horrible open source driver apparently works better than the proprietary rootkit
08:58<laniz>being a laptop must be a tough life :P
08:58<manphiz>seems fglrx is on the way to aiglx extentions, but it's a long way :(
08:59<dechande>Haha yeah i had a nice pc with a nVidia 7800GTX but thanks to life thats now destroyed
08:59<laniz>dechande: what kernel are you using?
08:59<dli>dechande, try the avivo driver:
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09:00<ameyer>maybe A(MD)TI will fix their sh** because the lack of properly supported video cards for AMD processors in linux is hurting their core cpu business...
09:00<ameyer>and maybe I'll find a bag with 10 billion dollars that bill gates dropped
09:01<lupine_85>he dropped that in York last time he was here
09:01<lupine_85>well, several million anyway
09:01<dechande>Heh, if ATI ever fixes it, it wont be for me, im unsupported card list now, Mobility 9000 IGP
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09:01<lupine_85>should work fine with the 'ati' driver then?
09:02<dli>ameyer, the last thing you hope is the bag falls right on your head
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09:02<ameyer>lupine_85: "fine" is relative
09:02<lupine_85>they do help considerably more than, say, nVidia
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09:03<dechande>The old ATI driver they released unfortunately has a ton of bugs and even windows purists refuse to use it, unfortunately all drivers older than that dont support xorg7.1 either
09:03<dechande>and all newer dont support my card
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09:05<ameyer>dli: yeah, 100 million x $100 bills might hurt
09:05<ameyer>probably wouldn't even be a bag...
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09:06<ameyer>actually, the ATI driver's not all that bad in some cases
09:06<dli>ameyer, you said 10 billion :(
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09:06[~]lupine_85 would rather have a banker's draft, methinks
09:06<kyleb>hey everyone
09:06<dli>ameyer, I have ati card with avivo now, still slow, but at least it doesn't crash X
09:06<ameyer>like my NDA-era laptop with AMD graphics mostly works, although slowly
09:07<ameyer>meh, they're the same thing
09:07<kyleb>I'm on Debian
09:07<lupine_85>hey, nouveau are getting pretty far along
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09:08<Metalqga>does the 'ati' driver work with your card?
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09:08<ameyer>(read "NDA-era" as ancient)
09:09<dechande>At the moment i havent had either the ATI driver OR the fglrx driver running successfully, "Actually making glxgears move rather than look like a jpeg"
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09:10<dechande>but im thinking my xorg.conf is wrong tbh
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09:11<ameyer>shrug... if you've got xorg 7.3 it should "just work" (sort of) if you don't have an xorg.conf...
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09:12<Metalqga>ati+amd daamit :D
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09:13<dechande>haha Intel+nVidia FTW!
09:13<dechande>atm im on xorg7.1
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09:15<flami>Hi , are there benefits for useing reiserfs compared to ext3 (or vice-versa ) ? anywhere where i could read about this ?
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09:16<seanius>flami: yeah, you get to completely destroy your filesystem with a much higher probability :)
09:16<ameyer>umm, ext3 isn't maintained by a murder suspect...
09:17<flami>Ok :P
09:17<flami>yes yes murder thingy isnt so much of my concern ;)
09:17<ameyer>reiserfs might not have much of a future
09:17<seanius>yeah, but reiserfs has killer performance
09:17<petemc>pun intended?
09:18<seanius>no comment
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09:21<vr>boot/initrd.img-2.6.21 has been altered. Cannot update.
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09:22<vr>and 'update-initramfs -u' updates wrong (2.6.21-2-686) img
09:23<hackel>Anyone else having a problem with ntpdate not finding some of the debian ntp pool servers (and thus getting error messages every morning from cron)?
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09:24<seanius>update-initramfs -k all ?
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09:24<taken>why this division betwen oftc and freenode?
09:24<dpkg>rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>
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09:25<JasonS>humm not the right one
09:25<JasonS>there was a trigger that said why
09:26<vr>seanius update-initramfs -k all would just update 2.6.21-2-686
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09:26<azeem>taken: #debian used to be on freenode for a long time, and people stayed there when the rest of
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09:26<azeem>taken: Debian moved over to oftc
09:26<dpkg>methinks freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network,, and you can visit their web page at You may be connected to Freenode. see also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
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09:29<deejoe>hi azeem
09:31<deejoe>I was sort of wondering if you knew the status of garlic's upstream.
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09:42<azeem>deejoe: what kind of status?
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09:44<craig>Does debian 4.0 come with an elilo boot loader?
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09:47<craig>or how do I get debian on to boot on EFI?
09:47<witte>craig: elilo is in etch
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09:48<witte>craig: I do not know what EFI is, but an alternative could be grub?
09:48<craig>witte: The elilo package is in Etch, but I need an ISO booting using elilo (EFI) not grub
09:49<deejoe>azeem: My attempts to connect to the garlic upstream website time out, from both home and work. I'm not sure whether this is an international Internet lag problem, limitations on their host, or that the upstream is no longer available.
09:49<witte>craig: ok, I do not have a boot cd here, so I can't check
09:50<azeem>deejoe: ah
09:50<azeem>I didn't check for a while
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09:53<deejoe>azeem: I think I've found some good use for garlic finally, so I'm sad that I can't connect to upstream. But glad especially that it's still in Debian :-)
09:53<azeem>upstream was moving quite slowly, so I don't think you're missing out on much
09:53<azeem>besides, there wasn't much on their homepage anyway IIRC
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09:56<deejoe>azeem: has copies for now, at least.
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09:58<kevinl>custom "modelines" go in the monitor section of xorg.conf, not the device section, right ?
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10:02<jen_n>Hi. Im running Etch here. Silly question: How do i get multiple audio streams going? Right now if i start Gaim, i then cant run XMMS because it says Gaim is blocking the sound card.
10:02<jen_n>Im not trying to have eighteen different music appls playing together, i just want thing like this--having music playing while another app might make the occasional noise. Googling didnt help me.
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10:05<fatal>jen_n: I'm switching everything to pulseaudio myself....
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10:06<rjent_>Greetings, I am using debmirror to keep a local mirror and in my script I have SECTIONS="main,contrib,non-free,main/debian-installer", will this allow me to bootstrap a system?
10:06[~]jen_n googles pulseaudio...
10:06<fatal>jen_n: unfortunately you might have to fiddle with every application to make sure it goes through pulseaudio (eigther via a native pulse output module, via esd emulation module, or set up alsa dmix to send everything back to pulse, or start your OSS-using application via the padsp wrapper). See the pulseaudio "perfect setup" wiki page.
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10:07<fatal>hopefully pulseaudio will kill off all the (crappy) competition so we can finally have a standard audio server soon enough....
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10:08<fatal>(and have all application default configured to use it)
10:08<jen_n>fatal: So normally this really doesn't work? I.e. this isnt just me, but in Etch you can only have one stream going at a time?
10:09<fatal>jen_n: it depends on your hardware.
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10:09<fatal>jen_n: you apparently have one of those cheap soundcards which are becoming more and more common that can only handle one stream at a time in hardware and need the software to multiplex the streams.
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10:10<fatal>jen_n: If you have for example a Soundblaster Live soundcard, then it can handle it in hardware.
10:10<kyleb>Question, is there a package that rearranges windows so that they can be seen alone without a maximize?
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10:11<jen_n>How do i find out what kind of soundcard i have? Im new to the Linux commands for this.
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10:11<Sergeant>Miwa, are you here?
10:12[~]Sergeant slaps miwa around a bit with a large trout
10:13<cahoot>jen_n, grep playback /proc/asound/pcm is one way
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10:14<jen_n>00-01: AD198x Digital : AD198x Digital : playback 1
10:14<jen_n>00-00: AD198x Analog : AD198x Analog : playback 1 : capture 1
10:14<jen_n>Does that mean no multiple-streams in hardware?
10:15<Gerald>I'm looking for servers for sources.list for a woody ...
10:15<Gerald>someone can tell me ?
10:15<jen_n>Damn. OK, thanks--off to try pulseaudio!
10:15<JasonS>!old stable
10:15<JasonS>or not
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10:16<Gerald>nobody ?
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10:16<Gerald>!old stable
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10:17<JasonS>!tell Gerald about oldstable
10:17<cahoot>gerald /msg dpkg oldstable
10:17<vr>why would i use the nvidia fb driver and not VESA VGA driver?
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10:17<cahoot>but it seems outdated
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10:18<Gerald>that 's what I'm affraid of
10:19<Gerald>thanks JasonS see you
10:19<JasonS>Gerald: why woody and not etch
10:20<Gerald>becouse of exploitation server need a new package to be install on
10:20<Gerald>it was a critical server and could not be update to etch
10:21<Gerald>I should compile the application I'm affraid ...
10:21<Gerald>thx JasonS I will lost my hair now ;o)
10:21<Gerald>ciao ciao
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10:22<ranix>vr: the nvidia fb driver is hardware accelerated
10:23<ranix>vr: unfortunately it does not work and play well with the nvidia X driver
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10:26<vr>ranix: but as long as im not using X its worth the work to switch from vesafb to nvidia driver?
10:26<kyleb>um, i have a question
10:27<Berge>kyleb: Go ahead (-:
10:27<kyleb>why should you use debian instead of other distributions?
10:28<Berge>I can answer why I like Debian, at least.
10:28<kyleb>go on.
10:28<Berge>Apart from particularly nice software management, the Debian policy and the Debian maintainers, basically.
10:29<Berge>The Debian policy outlines how the OS works.
10:29<kyleb>and that's good because?
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10:29<Berge>Debian's predictable and consitent.
10:29<Berge>The packages are generally of high quality, and stuff's always where you expect.
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10:30<Berge>Debian's also about free (as in freedom) software, values I hold high.
10:31<lupine_85>kyleb: because if you don't, all us debian fanbois will chase you down and defenestrate you
10:31<kyleb>Berge, well, Debian does distribute non-free software. But if you don't have any non-free software, or at least have very little, that's good ;-)
10:31<deejoe>dpkg, tell kyleb why debian
10:32<kyleb>deejoe, tat factoid doesnt work.
10:32<Berge>kyleb: Only in non-free.
10:32<deejoe>dpkg, why debian?
10:32<dpkg> or
10:32<kyleb>Berge, I know.
10:32<Berge>kyleb: And Debian's available on a lot of platforms.
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10:33<lupine_85>there's also the wallpaper to consider:
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10:36<fliguy>I'm trying to download podcasts with Rhythmbox. It goes through the whole process and say "Downloaded" then says "Failed". Any idea what could be wrong?
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10:40<mikkelorz>hi i just updated to the 2.18.5 kernel.. and now my ipw3945 daemon wont start.. i ran update-modules but with little success. whats the debian procedure for this kind of thing?
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10:41<azeem>mikkelorz: did you build ipw3945 modules?
10:41<harpal>I have made a startup script and then I have added to startup with update-rc.d squid defaults, but when I reboot than at startup it doesnt start squid
10:42<mikkelorz>azeem no i just installed the binary
10:42<azeem>mikkelorz: that binary needs a kernel module I think
10:43<harpal>and its not giving any error while starting, after login to system when I type command /etc/init.d/squid start than it starts squid
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10:43<mikkelorz>azeem yeah how do i update the kernel module? it works fine in the old kernel. but when i use the new kernel the module isn't there i think
10:44<azeem>mikkelorz: why did you update the kernel in the first place?
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10:44<mikkelorz>azeem there was an update :)
10:44<azeem>mikkelorz: if there's no kernel module available in the kernel source, try module-assisstant
10:45<mikkelorz>so you're saying.. simply reinstall the module?
10:45<azeem>no, build the module against the new kernel headers
10:45<azeem>mikkelorz: did you build the kernel yourself, or installed a .deb?
10:45<mikkelorz>i just ran apt
10:46<mikkelorz>seemed the easiest way
10:46<azeem>what does uname -r say?
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10:47<mikkelorz>the module was built for
10:47<azeem>you said "2.18.5" earlier
10:47<mikkelorz>so i guess its just a matter of installing or compiling for .5 yeah?
10:47<azeem>it is 2.6.18-4, not
10:47<fliguy>I'm trying to download podcasts with Rhythmbox. It goes through the whole process and says "Downloaded" then says "Failed". Any idea what could be wrong?
10:47<mikkelorz>well a typo.
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10:49<azeem>mikkelorz: what does uname -m say?
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11:03<alex__>azeem, heh
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11:08<monra>hey, when a computer starts... it runs some programs. in which file are these programs located?
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11:09<witte>monra: depending on your runlevel, but normally /etc/rc2.d and
11:10<monra>oh .. .and how do i check what it is .. if rc or so?
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11:10<witte>monra: huh? i do not understand what you are trying to say
11:11<monra>i mean, it could be on rc1.d
11:11<monra>how do i check?
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11:12<witte>monra: that is defined in /etc/inittab, default on debian is
11:12<witte>runlevel 2, so /etc/rc2.d
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11:12<monra>witte, in other linux? :)
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11:14<witte>monra: red hat kind of systems have a different layout
11:15<witte>monra: but you have to check their website to find out
11:15<JasonS>monra: or #redhat
11:16<witte>monra: one and 6 are the same in debian
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11:16<witte>monra: i do not know if other distributions use the debian way, the
11:16<witte>red hat way or something else
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11:17<witte>OT: do long lines that I write get cut off into multiple lines for
11:17<witte>you as well?
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11:17<JasonS>witte: yes, depends on the client setup though
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11:18<witte>JasonS: ok, I am using the same client as usually, but a different machine now
11:18<witte>JasonS: I will try to fix it :-)
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11:18<monra>witte, In my laptop i have mulinux... too small space for Debian(only floppys), anyway I try to find where the startup things are. In etc I got one folder rc and in /etc/rc i see some running progams. also in /etc i got rc.locals I don't know what to do. don't seems to find the programs. I know you are debian users, but I would found it cool if you could help me
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11:19<JasonS>monra: looked on the mulinux website or asked in thier channel?
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11:20<witte>monra: this is something quite distribution dependent, check the
11:20<witte>mulinux manual ;-)
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11:38<monra>anyway ... in mulinux i got a file in etc, the color file with some code. then if i do echo -p "${BRIGHT}hello" it makes hello birghtier
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11:38<monra>does a color file exist in debian too?
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11:42<monra>any ideas witte ?
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11:43<witte>monra: nope, no ideas about that
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11:44<harpal>how can I set LIB path, so I have lib* file in another folder so I can include that
11:45<fxiny>monra: see loco
11:45<monra>fxiny, where exactly?
11:45<fxiny>monra: apt-cache show loco
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11:51<monra>loco is for /usrl/log files
11:51<fxiny>any files
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11:51<monra>loco - colorize /var/log/messages for easy reading
11:52<fxiny>monra: you can use perl to colorize , bash for bash scripts , swatch for logs , i use loco dor anything
11:52<fxiny>or perl
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12:32[~]the-dude is away: Unit Lost
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12:36<noflash>!tell the-dude -about away
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12:37<the-dude>noflash, sorry just justing I turned it of again
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12:38<noflash>thank you :)
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12:39<marcfp>does anybody know about mysql-server problem ?
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12:39<the-dude>marcfp, perhaps if you share your problem
12:40<marcfp>the-dude: when i start my computer, mysql doesn't start
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12:40<marcfp>i drop all about mysql and restart it again, but the problems still live
12:41<the-dude>did you check syslog why doesn't it start?
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12:42<marcfp>the-dude: i have always a mysql runing ...
12:42<the-dude>ok and the problem is that mysql doesn't start on a boot or reboot?
12:43<marcfp>the-dude: on boot
12:43<marcfp>i must make killall -9 mysql and /etc/init.d/mysql start, then it runs well
12:43<marcfp>but if i don't do these sentences, it doesn't run
12:44<marcfp>i'm using debian lenny
12:44<the-dude>did you check after the reboot if it opens a socket? netstat -tan|grep 3306?
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12:45<the-dude>and perhaps what is getting logged in syslog and/mysql logs
12:45<marcfp>the-dude: if i make ps -aux | grep mysql
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12:45<marcfp>i see some "mysql servers" running, but i can't join into mysql prompt
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12:46<marcfp>the-dude: i reboot my server now ...
12:46<the-dude>marcfp, aight
12:46<marcfp>becouse i have this problems since time ago ...
12:47<the-dude>try logging it with mysql -u root -p without password
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12:48<marcfp>the-dude: okey, i will try it when server is wake up
12:49<the-dude>perhaps try a telnet localhost 3306 and see if you get a response
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12:49<marcfp>the-dude: i make it : mysql -u root -p
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12:49<marcfp>but when i type my root pass, it fails
12:49<monra>marcfp, what do you get?
12:49<the-dude>marcfp, yes try it without a password
12:49<marcfp>the-dude: i only hit return ?
12:50<marcfp>the-dude: i make it, and i have this error : ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
12:50<the-dude>ok did you check with netstat -tan |grep 3306 ?
12:51<marcfp>if i make ls /var/run/mysqld/ this directory is empty
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12:52<marcfp>i found that mysql 5.0 has bugs ... but i don't know how i can resolve it
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12:53<the-dude>Im running serveral mysql 5 servers without any problems
12:53<marcfp>the-dude: uhm ...
12:53<the-dude>did you try netstat -tan |grep 3306
12:53<marcfp>tcp 0 0* LISTEN <- this is
12:54<the-dude>Oh that means it is running
12:54<marcfp>this command line tells me it
12:54<marcfp>the-dude: if i make ps -aux | grep mysql i have this output root 2317 0.0 0.5 2792 1332 ? S 19:46 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe
12:54<marcfp>mysql 2354 0.0 6.5 127496 16776 ? Sl 19:46 0:00 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/ --skip-external-locking --port=3306 --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
12:54<marcfp>root 2355 0.0 0.2 1676 532 ? S 19:46 0:00 logger -p daemon.err -t mysqld_safe -i -t mysqld
12:55<marcfp>sorry for flood :'S
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12:55<seanius>marcfp: ps -ef | grep mysql
12:55<seanius>oh, someone beat me to it
12:55<seanius>marcfp: try /etc/init.d/mysql restart
12:55<marcfp>seanius: i have the same output
12:55<seanius>and see if you can connect then
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12:56<seanius>or mysql -h youripaddress
12:56<the-dude>marcfp, that output seems normal
12:56<marcfp>seanius: when mysql start it fails
12:56<marcfp>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
12:56<the-dude>check syslog it will say what is wrong
12:56<seanius>your next clue lies in tail /var/log/syslog
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12:57<seanius>you might also want to try stopping mysql and making sure you don't have a runaway process
12:58<marcfp>seanius: i make a killall -9 mysql then ?
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12:58<marcfp>in syslog i have this error about mysql : Could not open required defaults file: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf
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12:59<seanius>oh, did you delete that?
12:59<the-dude>marcfp, does that file exist?
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12:59<seanius>you could touch it and mysql would start, but you really need that file
12:59<marcfp>this file exist
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13:00<marcfp>i make a less comand on this file
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13:00<seanius>is it 600 permissions?
13:00<marcfp>-rw------- <- yes, no ?
13:00<the-dude>marcfp, does the file contain anything?
13:01<seanius>yeah. now did you start/stop mysql *as root*?
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13:01<marcfp>the-dude: yes, this file contains things about debian-sys-maint, password and socket
13:02<marcfp>seanius: NOW i don't do anything as root
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13:02<marcfp>but if i make /etc/init.d/mysql stop
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13:02<marcfp>some instances of mysql stell runing
13:03<seanius>do /etc/init.d/mysql stop as root, and then run /etc/init.d/mysql start as root
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13:03<marcfp>seanius: it crashes
13:03<marcfp>when i make /etc/init.d/mysql start
13:03<marcfp>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!
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13:03<complete_noob>in restricteed drivers i have my graphic card listed, info on graphic card, ati radeon 9550, rv350 chip, i found some info how to properly enable it, so i have few questions, is it smart thing to do, and is it possible to make harm to system i had set up?
13:04<Metalqga>my card is 9550
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13:04<marcfp>i make /etc/init.d/mysql stop and it runs well, but when i make /etc/init.d/mysql start, it fails
13:05<the-dude>marcfp, what does syslog say?
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13:05<seanius>g2g i'll be back later
13:05<marcfp>the-dude: Aug 21 20:03:02 Antimosquitos mysqld[3832]: 070821 20:03:02 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Address already in use
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13:06<complete_noob>Metalqga so is it safe to enble it using that guide?>
13:06<Metalqga>what do you want to enable?
13:06<the-dude>marcfp, then first try too kill the running mysql
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13:06<Metalqga>the fglrx drivers?
13:06<marcfp>the-dude: i always make : killall -9 mysql
13:07<marcfp>the-dude: then, i can start mysql without any problems
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13:07<complete_noob>erm i kinda noob i instaled linux 1st time todday in my life and encounter with it, i hardly configure sond network card and dsl to work propperly ;\
13:07<the-dude>marcfp, did you check if it really stopped running?
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13:07<complete_noob>yes it caled fglrx
13:07<marcfp>the-dude: yes, it is really stopped
13:07<marcfp>or killed :S
13:07<Metalqga>it's safe to use the fglrx driver, but it sux
13:08<Metalqga>try it you may like it...
13:08<marcfp>the-dude: if i make /etc/init.d/mysql start it goes well
13:08<Metalqga>at least it gives you tv-out functionality and better 3d acceleration
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13:08<complete_noob>and what i loose?
13:09<the-dude>and now you are able too log in ?
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13:09<Metalqga>don't bother
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13:09<marcfp>the-dude: yes
13:09<Metalqga>install fglrx you can always go back to ati drivers
13:09<marcfp>now i'm into mysql prompt
13:09<complete_noob>can i bother u for some more questions?
13:10<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
13:10<acer>hi all, I'm installing etch here on Indonesia, apt-get sometimes download packages from how can I find out an Indonesian mirror for it?
13:10<marcfp>but i know it, i want resolve the problem when i start my computer
13:10<complete_noob>sec i formulate question right
13:11<the-dude>marcfp, so if we put it all together, if you boot your system mysql runs but you are not able too login, then after you have killed mysql and started it again you are able too login?
13:11<marcfp>the-dude: yes, it is
13:11[~]qbit high5's the-dude
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13:12<witte>acer: it appears there are no mirrors for
13:12<JohnMcClane>hi does someone know if there is a live linux cd to test for dead pixels of a laptop?
13:12<the-dude>marcfp, does your db contain any data?
13:12<acer>witte: thanks :)
13:13<marcfp>the-dude: yes, i have my personal weblog
13:13<marcfp>and i have someting about enlightenment 17 on debian
13:14<Metalqga>John there was a java program who could repair dead pixels
13:14<the-dude>marcfp, we still have serveral options too troubleshoot fix this problem, but perhaps it is good too start with making a dump of you data
13:14<complete_noob>i downloaded linux drivers for my sound card in c code
13:14<Metalqga>your soundcard should work fine without installing any drivers
13:14<complete_noob>and in instructions to use it have make command what they saided in instructions simply dont do any job
13:14<the-dude>marcfp, if you are sure your data is safe you might try too do a apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server
13:14<witte>complete_noob: that can not be the intention when you are running debian
13:14<Wankus>Hi, I couldn't resolve this issue in the ubuntu chatroom, so I'm asking here. I spotted this in my auth.log a couple of weeks ago: "Aug 7 09:29:22 Main-PC su[26519]: Successful su for jim by root". The problem is Jim is not in the admin group (no sudo priveleges). Anybody know a way to explain this?
13:14<marcfp>the-dude: are you telling me that i must a backup of my DB?
13:15<witte>complete_noob: apt-get install alsa-utils; apt-get alsaconf
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13:15<acer>is it ok if I run apt-get install from more than 1 terminals ?
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13:15<witte>Wankus: everybody can do su. su is not equal to sudo
13:15<[machine]>wankus: that says he used su... check there is no password on the root account
13:16<witte>acer: you cant, there will be a lock file
13:16<Berge>Wankus: Means root has been su-ing to jim, not the other way around.
13:16<acer>ah... ot
13:16<the-dude>marcfp, yes always make a backup, cause I am not sure if a reinstall will "break" your running server
13:16<complete_noob>witte: that didn help in my case i find a way to enable it but i wish to know would i have alot problems like that and where i can find solution for that kind of problem?
13:16<JohnMcClane>Is it possible to do this in knoppix live cd?
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13:16<acer>ah.. but it's better than corrupted installation :D
13:16<Wankus>yes, I'm pretty sure root account is disabled (I think ubuntu disables root by standard)
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13:16<marcfp>the-dude: i make it
13:17<Berge>Wankus: You can still become root.
13:17<Berge>Wankus: sudo -i, for instance.
13:17<marcfp>now i reboot my server and look if it go fine
13:17<Berge>Wankus: (Ubuntu just don't have a root password, it still has a root account.)
13:17<the-dude>marcfp, with mysqldump ?
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13:17<marcfp>the-dude: no
13:17<Wankus>Berge: But Jim has no admin priveleges, he can't use sudo.
13:17<Berge>Wankus: But jim hasn't been sudo-ing either.
13:18<marcfp>i copy /var/lib/mysql/drupal into tar.bz2 file
13:18<Berge>Wankus: root has been su-ing to jim.
13:18<marcfp>i copy /var/lib/mysql/drupal directory into tar.bz2 file*
13:18<Wankus>Berge: So have I got it the wrong way around?
13:18<witte>complete_noob: depends. best start at a linux tutorial, or google for a basic explaination of
13:18<witte>installing the debian system
13:18<Berge>Wankus: Well, yes (-:
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13:19<Wankus>Berge: Wow, thanks, there I was worrying that my machine had been hacked! You're quite sure of this?
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13:19<Berge>Wankus: I am.
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13:19<Metalqga>complete_noob you can always type "your hardware + debian" in a search engine and find a solution
13:19<Berge>Wankus: Just try and take look in your logs.
13:19<the-dude>marcfp, I would not recommend making a backup that way, so try it at own risk
13:20<acer>sorry if I have too much question :) .. is it ok to change directly the file /etc/apt/sources.list .. or do I have to use some kind of command ?
13:20<witte>Wankus: if you would have been hacked, you probably wouldn't have noticed
13:20<marcfp>i had just make it as *my way
13:20<Berge>Wankus: Become root (with sudo -i, for instance) and try "su jim". Then C-d to become root again, and less /var/log/auth.log
13:20<witte>acer: why would you do that?
13:20<Wankus>Berge: Thanks for the help, you don't know how relieved I am. I was preparing to do a fresh install.
13:20<Metalqga>change it then you do apt-get update
13:20<witte>acer: what is your real problem
13:20<Berge>Wankus: No trouble at all.
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13:21<Berge>Wankus: Good thing you're looking at your logs (-:
13:21<marcfp>the-dude: i have the same problem exactly
13:21<acer>witte: I have two box here.. one is installed with Etch, one is I'm installing now .. apt-get always faster on the installed box.. the the source.list is different
13:21<Wankus>Berge: Sorry how do you change user from jim back to root again?
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13:22<Wankus>Berge: Yes, Im getting very paranoid these days!
13:22<Berge>Wankus: Exsit the shell. Type "exit", for instance. Or the short-cut, Ctrl-d.
13:22<Berge>w Exit, even
13:22<the-dude>marcfp, after the apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server
13:22<Wankus>Berge: Ah ok, thanks for the help!
13:22<Berge>Wankus: np, glad to help
13:22<witte>acer: and?
13:23<acer>witte: so I think maybe I edit the new box sources.list .. put in the mirror from the installed box... (apparently my isp here got mirror for internal use)
13:23<acer>witte: do I just nano /etc/apt/sources.list ?
13:24<witte>acer: yes, you can edit that file with nano. but maybe you just want to copy it over?
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13:24<Metalqga>ACER change it then you do apt-get update
13:24<witte>acer: do not forget to do an update afterwards
13:25<acer>witte, metalqa: thanks :) trying it now...
13:25<witte>Metalqga: ok, you've beaten me by a few seconds :P
13:25<Metalqga>21:23Metalqga change it then you do apt-get update
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13:26<acer>yeah.. much much faster :)
13:26<marcfp>the-dude: yes, after
13:26<the-dude>after that did you reboot?
13:26<marcfp>the-dude: no
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13:27<marcfp>i don't reboot my machine
13:27<marcfp>i make it ?
13:27<the-dude>ok does it run now?
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13:27<acer>you guys saved my tons of time... 12Kb/sec vs 28000Kb/sec .. :)
13:28<marcfp>it doesn't run
13:28<Metalqga>my connection is 60kb/s tops :D
13:28<acer>metalqga: mine at home is 16k tops..
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13:28<acer>here's local network to my isp's local mirror.. :D
13:28<the-dude>marcfp, try too start it ?
13:29<marcfp>the-dude: with /etc/init.d/mysql start ?
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13:29<marcfp>it fails
13:29<marcfp>the same error
13:30<marcfp> . failed!
13:30<mikes>hello! i have a problem with bash history. when ever i log out from kde i lose the history ftom konsole. any suggestions?
13:31<the-dude>marcfp, perhaps try too start it with mysqld_safe
13:31<marcfp>the-dude: i have mysqd_safe running
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13:32<marcfp>and mysqld too
13:32<marcfp>and logger -p daemon.err -t mysqld_safe -i -t mysqld
13:33<the-dude>marcfp, so now it is running?
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13:34<marcfp>the-dude: if i make ps -aux | grep mysql it gives to me some mysql instances
13:34<JohnMcClane> 1 an idea? :-(
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13:34<marcfp>but i can't join to mysql prompt
13:34<marcfp>gives/takes * ?
13:35<marcfp>better have :P
13:35<witte>JohnMcClane: maybe ask at #knoppix?
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13:36<JohnMcClane>witte: no one there at knoppix....
13:36<vasi>i'm using EDITOR=gedit, but if a gedit instance is already open this only opens a new tab and returns immediately
13:36<vasi>which greatly confuses command-line programs like subversion that expect $EDITOR to wait until the user exits
13:36<vasi>any suggestions?
13:37<petemc>use vim!
13:37<petemc>not what you wanted to hear, im sure
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13:37<vasi>petemc, yeah if it comes to that i'll use nano :-)
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13:39<the-dude>marcfp, are you able too log in ?
13:39<monra>hey, i'm looking for old versions of vi.. any ideas where to find? has from 5 and above
13:40<vasi>monra, maybe they're tagged in CVS/SVN?
13:41<vasi>it looks like version 3 is here:
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13:41<marcfp>the-dude: no
13:42<marcfp>the-dude: i have the same error : ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
13:42<the-dude>marcfp, what does mysql -u root -p say?
13:42<marcfp>the same error
13:42<marcfp>the-dude: one moment!!!
13:43<marcfp>if i make this sentence : mysql -u root -p -h127.0.0.1
13:43<marcfp>it connects
13:43<acer>question please, is there any text mode scp client I can use ?
13:43<witte>acer: scp?
13:43<JasonS>acer: scp
13:43<the-dude>and if you use mysql -u root -p -h l ocalhost is does not ?
13:43<acer>ah ... thanks :D
13:43<marcfp>the-dude: one second
13:43<witte>acer: life can be so easy :-)
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13:44<marcfp>the-dude: no, if i change for localhost, it doesn't run
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13:44<the-dude>then it has something too do with resolving apparently
13:45<the-dude>host localhost ?
13:45<marcfp>the-dude: cat /etc/hosts ?
13:45<the-dude>thats also possible , but host is also a command
13:46<acer>ok I'm copying files from production server.. so please tell me if this is wrong... scp -r SOURCE DEST ?
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13:46<marcfp>host localhost
13:46<marcfp>Host localhost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
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13:46<acer>like.. (I'm on new server) scp -r prodserver:/htdocs /htdocs
13:47<marcfp>the-dude: this is my output
13:47<witte>acer: that is correct, but you should have source or dest as follows: user@host:/absolute/path
13:47<the-dude>marcfp, sorry host uses dns not files , my mistake, try ping localhost or so
13:47<acer>witte: thanks ... it's always scary with production server... :)
13:47<marcfp>the-dude: it goes well
13:47<marcfp> ping localhost
13:47<marcfp>PING localhost ( 56(84) bytes of data.
13:47<marcfp>64 bytes from localhost ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.156 ms
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13:48<witte>acer: you have backups, right?
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13:48<acer>witte: yup.. .but it's to another site and it takes at least 2 days to restore entirely...
13:48<the-dude>marcfp, thats strange something is going wrong with the resolving
13:48<witte>acer: normally you won't need them ;-)
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13:49<monra>hey, anyway .. how can i force delete ... i try rm -ifr * and files too but nothing happens
13:49<acer>witte: I'm crossing my finger.. :D
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13:49<marcfp>the-dude: my /etc/resvol.conf has this sentence : nameserver
13:49<marcfp> is my router
13:49<monra>i get some errors like this Read-only file system
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13:50<the-dude>marcfp, thats fine
13:51<the-dude>marcfp, what does hostname say?
13:52<marcfp>the-dude: hostname says Antimosquitos, and it's the name of my machine
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13:52<the-dude>marcfp, try mysql -u root -p -h Antimosquitos does that work?
13:53<marcfp>no, i have this error : ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'Antimosquitos' (111)
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13:53<mikegrb>weasel: welcome back, I knew you couldn't stay away
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13:56<the-dude>marcfp, what does /etc/hosts contain?
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13:57<the-dude>marcfp, does it have a line something like localhost localhost
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13:59<marcfp> localhost
13:59<marcfp> Antimosquitos
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13:59<marcfp>and :
14:00<marcfp># The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
14:00<marcfp>::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
14:00<marcfp>fe00::0 ip6-localnet
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14:00<marcfp>ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
14:00<marcfp>ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
14:00<marcfp>ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
14:00<marcfp>ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
14:00<Myon>marcfp: paste
14:00<marcfp>sorry :(
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14:01<marcfp>the hosts contains it
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14:03<marcfp>i stop mysql daemon
14:03<marcfp>i kill all about mysqld
14:03<marcfp>i start mysql again
14:04<marcfp>and if i look at /var/run/mysqld i have these 2 files: and mysqld.sock
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14:06<the-dude>marcfp, so it is fine now ?
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14:06<marcfp>the-dude: now yes
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14:07<marcfp>but my problem is when i turn on computer into my debian o.s.
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14:14<marcfp>i try to reboot the computer
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14:14<marcfp>i think that it will don't run well, but ...
14:14<marcfp>i try
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14:14<marcfp>don't run against
14:14<hatoon>alguem usa vpn aqui ?
14:14<hatoon>e fala portugeus
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14:18<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:18<marcfp>i leave to lunch
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14:18<marcfp>and a lot of thanks the-dude and all the people too :)
14:18<the-dude>marcfp, does it work?
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14:19<marcfp>the-dude: no
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14:19<marcfp>it doesn't work
14:19<marcfp>i myst leave now
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14:19<the-dude>oh ok as a workaround you could try to use ipadresses istead of hostnames
14:20<marcfp>thank's :)
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14:20<the-dude>no worries cu
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14:29<danzigrules>hi, I am either really dumb or google hates me, but is there a list of repositories for stable, testing, and any others? Thank you
14:29<dpkg>hmm... debian mirrors is or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
14:30<danzigrules>ah, thanks
14:35<monra>guys. I have apache installed in my pc. and i'm seeing my page trhoug
14:36<monra>anyway .... doesn't works.... but http:// works... how do i fix this?
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14:42<acer>I'm trying to use multidisk on an existing harddrive with data on it... my configureation is one partition on the harddrive..and I got another new unpartitioned harddrive... can I create multidisc RAID1 / mirror?
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14:43<acer>I mean without reformating etc.. ?
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14:44<panagos>what is the difference between localhost and localhost.localdomain ?
14:44<acer>monra: perhaps does not exist on DNS ?
14:44<Eulex>panagos, spelling and pronounciation.
14:44<acer>monra: CMIIW you should register an A record on DNS for .. same IP with
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14:45<panagos>Eulex: and vs ?
14:46<monra>ok thanks guys
14:46<acer>panagos: is local loopback (ie. your own machine) ... i don;t know.. address for another machine?
14:46<jbernard>how do i see a list of all packages with priority: standard ?
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14:47<acer>any help on the software raid? converting non raid system to software raid?
14:47<weasel>acer: is loopback
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14:47<Eulex>panagos, I'd guess that the full 127.x.x.x A network is reserved for loopback. but I haven't noticed it before.
14:48<acer> = (subnet ?
14:48<monra>panagos, ellinas?
14:48<weasel>acer: no.
14:48<weasel>acer: masks start counting the ones from the left. a /8 is
14:48<panagos>monra: nai :D
14:49<acer>so we're wasting the whole for our on pc ? :D
14:49<weasel>and 0/8 for _this network_
14:50<Eulex>you could prolly abuse it for giving 'internal' ip adresses to emulated operating systems
14:50<JohnMcClane>how can you see which channels are available at
14:51<Myon>JohnMcClane: /help list
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14:52<Myon>(beware, there's a lot of channels besides debian)
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14:53<acer>is it worth the risk to try to install software raid ?
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15:06<laniz>can somebody advise me a DNS caching tool that is easy to setup and maintain?
15:07<petemc>aptitude install bind9 works out of the box as a caching nameserver
15:08<laniz>installing an entire name server just for the purpose of caching seems a bit overdozed
15:09<alex_>laniz: bind 9 but be carefu
15:09<alex_>and read on how to chjail it
15:09<Myon>dnsmasq works well for "home" networks
15:09<alex_>if you want to cache DNS records then yes
15:09<laniz>Myon: that was the name i could not remember. thanks!
15:09<alex_>laniz: or etc /etc/hosts
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15:10<Myon>alex_: that requires vi for caching ;)
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15:10<Metalqga>hey greg
15:10<greg>moge sie "pozalic"?
15:10<sepski>laniz, you can check out nscd
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15:10<greg>nie dziala mi php i cgi pod apache 1.3
15:10<Metalqga>ops this is not the USarian greg
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15:11<dpkg>well, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> (on
15:11<greg>ok i'm speaking english very well
15:11<greg>so my question is
15:11<sepski>then no problem :)
15:11<greg>php i cgi doesn't work on 1.3 apache server
15:12<laniz>Richard Stallman would say, vi, vi, vi (for caching in /etc/hosts) is the editor of the beast
15:12<greg>and i don't know why becouse i installed all necessary modules
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15:13<greg>so anybody know what's wrong?
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15:13<panagos>if i connect my system to a lan, it is referred to by the rest of the lan as the output of hostname?
15:13<laniz>djbdns can also be stripped down to function as dns cache, right?
15:14<sepski>greg, you have uncommented the line LoadModule php_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/ or some such thing in httpd.conf ?
15:15<greg>the problem is that i didn't have that line in httpd.conf
15:15<laniz>ah, but it has not really a free license. bad, bad
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15:16<jbm>I'm running unstable on a thinkpad t61; after X starts my video doesn't work on tty1-6; I can however log in blindly and run commands and they indeed run. Can't seem to find anyone else having this issue even on (thinkpad/linux wiki). any ideas what I should be looking at? Nothing interesting in syslog or anything..
15:16<greg>so the question is.. why i don't have that line in my conf file
15:16<sepski>greg, do you have a line saying something like Include /etc/apache/conf.d/ ? and a php flile in that dir ?
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15:16<jbm>and getty is indeed running on all 6
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15:17<laniz>jbm: possibly the H-sync and V-sync values for the screen dont fit?
15:17<Greg`>hmm.. there is a different greg here :/
15:17<greg>sepski yes i have that line on the end of conf file
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15:18<greg>but conf.d directory is empty
15:19<greg>so what is should do with that?
15:20<sepski>do you have installed libapache-mod-php4 ?
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15:21<greg>wait i dont have that mod
15:21<sepski>greg, acording to this that package have a file in that directory. so i'd try reinstalling
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15:22<greg>which mod i should install?
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15:23<greg>the first from that list?
15:24<greg>it works thanks..
15:24<greg>and now what about
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15:25<sepski>aptitude search libapache-mod ?
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15:33<greg>hmm i think that i have perl mode
15:34<greg>and i dont know why only info.php are openning in explorer other php files are going to save on the disk..
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15:38<hever>Hi there, I'm trying to start my postfix deamon but get the following error: "postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory". What can I do ?
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15:42<alex_>hever: using courier?
15:43<alex_>hever: etch or sarge/
15:43<hever>alex_: Whoops sorry! No I'm using postfix
15:43<alex_>... courier is a 'addon' for postfix
15:43<alex_>look at this
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15:43<hever>postfix as MTA... ;)
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15:43<alex_>might help you configure postfix with stmpauth
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15:44<hever>I'm running it on a test development server and we could go on developing without a running sendmail.... senmdail won't work... some errors in libdb4.5. Therefore I try to use postfix...
15:45<hever>It may be an openrelay or whatever...
15:45<hever>In the moment it just should work ;(
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15:46<alex_>hmmm out of my leauge
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16:00<Zathras>hi. I am looking for a Exim4 rewrite rule and the place to place it. I have a local smarthost and want to rewrite to something which can be looked up like
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16:02<petemc>Zathras: /etc/email-addresses
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16:02<Zathras>yes. But that only works for a single user doesn't it? I want a general solution
16:03<petemc>read the exim docs on rewriting
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16:04<Zathras>I have. I did some rewriting in the past on exim3 and exim4 but the rule I wrote now seems to do not work
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16:05<petemc>Zathras: well, thats the best way to do it, tho you're free to look for something else
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16:26<MBR666>i just installed a net-install of deb 4.0 and well. how do you add hardware such as my wireless lan card? 802.11b. it's a MS adapter. ubuntu worked. i just don't know how to ad hardware in debian
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16:27<petemc>MBR666: it varies according to the chipset of the card
16:27<MBR666>how do i find my chippy set?
16:27<Greg>goto the package manager
16:28<petemc>what kind of card is it?
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16:28<petemc>onboard, usb, cardbus.. ?
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16:28<MBR666>it's a microsoft usb 802.11b model mn-510
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16:29<Zathras>k. Now I got rewrite working. But now it rewrites everything regardless if it is for localdomain or for external delivery
16:29<petemc>plug it in, look in dmesg and /var/log/messages
16:29<petemc>Zathras: it shouldnt..
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16:30<Zathras>it all depends on where and how you put it in the config
16:30<petemc>theres only one rewrite section
16:30<petemc>you can do rewriting in other ways
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16:32<grownler>How I can install some fonts (Arial, for example) ?
16:32<grownler>How can I*
16:32<cranSauce>how do I install the Marillat repo?
16:32<Zathras>petemc, that's right but you can also do rewrites on a transport
16:32<petemc>and in the acls
16:33<grownler>cranSauce: I think you should use debian multimedia repo or Unofficial
16:33<petemc>but theres only one "rewrite" section on the config
16:33<cranSauce>ok, where do I get those repos?
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16:34<cranSauce>I need liblame and gstreamer
16:34<grownler>cranSauce: google for debian multimedia repository and unofficial
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16:34<grownler>cranSauce: acctually, debian unofficial
16:34<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root)
16:34<grownler>cranSauce: what you want to install?
16:35<grownler>great... :P good bot
16:35<cranSauce>liblame and gstreamer-lame
16:35<grownler>so, do what dpkg said
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16:35<cranSauce>I want sound juicer to rip into mp3
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16:36<cranSauce>dpkg, what avout apt-key...
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16:36<petemc>cranSauce: /msg dpkg apt-key 1F41B907
16:36<grownler>PEOPLE, in Debian etch, to have a great bootsplash, I really need to recompile kernel?
16:37<grownler>I tried splashy (another software for bootsplash) but I installed an old version of this, because the lastest is only for unstable releases
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16:37<grownler>and it's not good... hehe...
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16:39<MBR666>ok i've looked in the /var/logs/messages file what do i need to look for?
16:40<MBR666>i've unplugged my wlan0 device plugged it in again and still no luck
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16:40<MBR666>under ubuntu i needed the package wlan-linux blah blah something something
16:40<petemc>tail -f /var/log/dmesg /var/log/messages , then plug it in
16:40<petemc>it would be useful if you remembered what blah blah was in this instance
16:41<MBR666>yeah prolly
16:41<MBR666>well i did what you said in terminal
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16:42<grownler>somebody can help me?
16:42<MBR666>it would appear that it reconizes the usb device as being plugged in.. i idk if it detected the actual device itself
16:42<grownler>I really need to recompile kernel to install bootsplash?
16:43<MBR666>now what does this man do?
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16:45<MBR666>linux-wlan-ng was the file under ubuntu
16:45<MBR666>i installed that sucker and then i was able to tinker with my wireless nic card and get it working
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16:46<grownler>somebody can help me? : I really need to recompile kernel to install bootsplash?
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16:48<MBR666>petemc, i did as you said. what else would i need to do to get this sucker working?
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16:50<petemc>MBR666: you googled for the stuff in dmesg?
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16:52<MBR666>only one link came up. and its a download link
16:52<MBR666>heres the link
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16:55<petemc>what you googled for isnt useful
16:55<Hostile>I just installed debian etch on my server, and I booted and it upgraded the kernel iamge, now it fails to boot with a miserable error
16:55<petemc>Hostile: can you boot into the install kernel?
16:55<MBR666>well not much in the message log was. it was mostly repeated info as i typed in there
16:56<Hostile>petemc: it was the same version image, I think it replaced the old one
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16:56<MBR666>brb giong to reboot
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16:56<witte>Hostile: "a miserable error" seems quite vague
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16:57<Hostile>witte: I took a picture of the screen, but I'm having trouble finding a place to upload it to
16:57<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
16:57<witte>Hostile: look at
16:57<Hostile>witte: hmm, picpaste, thanks
16:58<grownler>somebody can help me? : I really need to recompile kernel to install bootsplash?
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16:59<witte>Hostile: ok that is a miserable error :-)
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16:59<Hostile>witte: very much so.
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16:59<lupine_85>crash in a driver dealing with something connected to the parallel port?
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17:00<witte> I think it could be the kobject_add stuff, whatever that is
17:01<junio>grownler: what is your kernel version?
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17:01<Hostile>hmm so what should I try
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17:01<lupine_85>it's modprobe; so it's loading a kernel module to deal with some hardware. If the hardware can be unplugged, that neatly bypasses the issue to give you a bootable kernel
17:01<lupine_85>Hostile: is there anything plugged into the parallel port?
17:01<Hostile>lupine_85: well it seems its with the parallel port, which obviously can't be unplugged.
17:01<Hostile>lupine_85: nope
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17:02<lupine_85>you can disable parallel ports in the bios...
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17:02<Hostile>lupine_85: hmm do you want me to try that?
17:02<lupine_85>it might help. I'm not really sure TBH
17:03<lupine_85>kernel panics are always a PITA
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17:04<Hostile>honestly, I've never had one like this before
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17:05<witte>Hostile: It could also be that there is a problem with the hard disk, or the installed kernel
17:06<witte>Hostile: or with memory
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17:06<the-dude>Hostile, if you try too load it again, will the error be exactly the same?
17:07<acer>hi all.. pls help... I'm on +7 timezone.. My date/time on bios is correct to my timezone... and I set my timezone to +7 using tzconfig/tzselect.. but how come when I do date ... it shows as the time now +7 ?
17:07<acer>should I change my bios time to -7 ?
17:08<Hostile>with the parallel port disabled, it boots
17:08<Hostile>so what should I do now?
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17:10<witte>Hostile: do you need the parallel port :-)
17:10<frank>acer: iirc there's some option wether bios is at localtime or utc ..
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17:10<witte>Hostile: and maybe you should file a bugreport against the kernel
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17:10<Hostile>I need the parallel port
17:11<Hostile>so can I switch kernels?
17:11<witte>Hostile: are you on stable, testing or unstable?
17:11<witte>Hostile: you can always switch kernels, I do not know if that would help though?
17:12<Hostile>witte: the kernel it installed off the CD worked fine
17:12<witte>maybe you need to add some options to the parport module before loading
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17:12<witte>Hostile: in that case you should certainly file a bugreport
17:13<Hostile>witte: I'd be glad to do so if I can get some guidance on doing so
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17:14<witte>Hostile: well, I have done it before, once or twice, minor issues only ;-)
17:14<witte>Hostile: first you should look if the bug is already in the bug tracking system
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17:16<Hostile>witte: I searched, I don't see it
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17:17<frank>acer: check /etc/default/rcS variable UTC
17:17<witte>Hostile: ok, you should install the reportbug package
17:18<witte>btw: if someone notices me saying stupid things, please interrupt :-)
17:18<acer>frank: thanks .. It's set to yes ..but changing this file need reboot (from man page).. so I changed my time to -7 to compensate..
17:19<witte>Hostile: and do some basic modifications to /etc/reportbug.conf (name and things like that)
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17:19<witte>Hostile: if you read the file, you will understand
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17:21<witte>Hostile: and you will need to prepare the stuff that you want to send
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17:21<witte>Hostile: you want the link to the picture you showed us
17:22<witte>Hostile: you probably want to add lspci (lspci > ~/lspci_output.txt)
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17:22<witte>Hostile: just as a stupid question, but you do have an intel compatible 686 system?
17:23<witte>Hostile: not that you installed the wrong kernel or something :-)
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17:29<Hostile>witte: its a P3 so yes
17:29<Hostile>witte: I'm at where it wants me to briefly describe the bug, what should I put?
17:30<witte>Hostile: it gives a kernel panic which you can see here:
17:30<witte>Hostile: also mention that disabling the parallel port helps
17:31<witte>Hostile: did you try multiple times to boot with parallel port the new kernel?
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17:31<witte>Hostile: and did it give always exactly the same error, or always a panic, but differntly?
17:32<Hostile>witte: I only tried to boot once with it enabled, okay this machine takes like 10 minutes to get through the bios because of its large hard drive, I really don't want to keep rebooting and trying it
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17:32<grownler>somebody can help me? : I really need to recompile kernel to install bootsplash?
17:33<witte>Hostile: special machine if it takes 10 minutes to get through the bios :-)
17:33<Hostile>witte: its an older gateway P3 machine
17:33<Hostile>witte: no idea why it takes so long to recognize the hard drive
17:34<witte>Hostile: do not forget to add the lspci output, so that the people can see your chipset
17:34<Hostile>how do I add that?
17:34<witte>Hostile: I think you can add attachments at a certain stage...
17:36<grownler>somebody can help me? : I really need to recompile kernel to install bootsplash?
17:36<grownler>somebody can help me? : I really need to recompile kernel to install bootsplash?
17:36<grownler>somebody can help me? : I really need to recompile kernel to install bootsplash?
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17:36<witte>!tell grownler about repeat
17:36<simonrvn>!tell grownler -about ask
17:36<grownler>hehe... sorry
17:37<grownler>but, if you know why don't tell me... so, I really need to recompile kernel?
17:37<simonrvn>i doubt you 'need' it, like you need food and water ;)
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17:37<witte>did you really think you would get help faster if you repeat a question 10 times in 5minN
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17:37<simonrvn>grownler: there's one that you don't have to
17:37<simonrvn>more likely to get kicked than helped ;)
17:38<grownler>ok ok
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17:39<grownler>santo Deus... não podem me responder uma simples questão que muitos aqui devem saber... agora vão me enviar uma mensagem me dizendo que só devo falar em inglês...
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17:41<Hostile>witte: eh, it didn't seem to give me the option to attach a file
17:41<witte>Hostile: ok, did you send it already?
17:42<Hostile>its trying to send, it says its connecting, doesn't seem to be working
17:42<simonrvn>grownler: whatever go bitch about you weren't helped... sure...
17:42<Hostile>ugh, bugs shouldn't be this hard to report, I just want my system working =\
17:42<witte>Hostile: you need to have your smtp server correct (that is in my case mostly the problem)
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17:43<Hostile>witte: yeah, I don't have a smtp server.
17:43<witte>Hostile: that should be in the /etc/reportbug.conf file
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17:43<witte>Hostile: but for sending normal email, you send it to some smtp server, right?
17:43<Hostile>I use web base email.
17:44<witte>Hostile: Bug reporting is in fact very difficult
17:44<witte>Hostile: you have to tell the correct things so that the people who have to correct them have the
17:44<witte>needed info
17:44<witte>but filing one should be relatively easy yes :-)
17:45<witte>Hostile: does google mail have no smtp server?
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17:46<witte>, in case you use that
17:46<witte>maybe others have one as well
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17:49<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
17:50<Hostile>Im putting a link to a paste of lspci
17:50<witte>Hostile: good thinking :-)
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17:52<Hostile>witte: ugh, it will expire in 72h
17:52<Hostile>grr, what should I do with the lspci output?
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17:53<witte>Hostile: you can just paste it into the mail?
17:53<witte>Hostile: that wont be that much
17:54<witte>Hostile: or you can email using a normal email client to <bugnumber>
17:54<witte>Hostile: after you know the bugnumber of course
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18:03<piper>hi Hostile :)
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18:09<witte>Hostile: finished filing the bugreport?
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18:17<Hostile>witte: yeah I think I got it to send
18:17<Hostile>hey piper \
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18:18<witte>Hostile: ok, good
18:18<Hostile>witte: okay, now how do I install a new kernel so I don't have this problem?
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18:21<witte>Hostile: ok, I have seen the report, I am not sure if it is critical, but that is for the
18:21<witte>maintainers to decide
18:22<witte>Hostile: apt-cache search linux-image
18:22<witte>Hostile: and see if there is something you like in that list :-)
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18:24<witte>Hostile: if not, then you have several options:
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18:24<witte>Hostile: compile your own kernel
18:25<witte>Hostile: use a kernel from an other source
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18:25<witte>Hostile: btw there is a new kernel in I believe
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18:26<Hostile>witte: I installed linux-image-2.6.18-4-686
18:26<Hostile>we'll see
18:26<witte>Hostile: could you check if you have deb stable/updates main in your sources.list
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18:31<alencar>Hello, somebody knows if I really need to recompile my kernel to install a bootsplash (debian etch) ?
18:32<piper>[18:36] <grownler> somebody can help me? : I really need to recompile kernel to install bootsplash?
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18:35<Hostile>witte: I put the parallel port in the BIOS on Auto instead of Enabled and it boots.
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18:35<alencar>piper if you want call me grownler...
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18:36<witte>Hostile: with both kernels?
18:37<piper>grownler: as someone else replied, bootsplash is very buggy, GIYF
18:37<grownler>piper hum... and about the splashy... do you know?
18:37<witte>grownler: have a look at usplash. I never used it (nor bootsplash) but you can try
18:38<piper>grownler: i don't run stable, and havent in many years, much different
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18:44<knix>heh, who runs stable anymore? :P
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18:46<witte>knix: I have all three running, stable for the server at work that i admin
18:46<knix>Well yea, that's about all I even think ofusing stable for :D production servers
18:46<witte>knix: note, it is only an mp3-server, I am not a real sysadmin :-)
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18:48<witte>knix: stable is good if you want a system that does what it has to and where you have little or no
18:48<witte>maintenance on
18:48<witte>testing you should update regularry, and there are often minor issues
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18:49<piper>sidux for all :)
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18:50<flami>Hi im trying to run mysql in a chroot , and i get an error that it cant find a file it wants to read , what library am i missing (ldd and strace didnt help ) ?
18:51<frank>the file seems to be secret
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18:51<witte>frank: must be libsecret :-)
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18:53<witte>anyone knows if an intel based graphics card i915G should work with dual head?
18:53<flami>Oh yeah the file is physically present .
18:54<witte>I got cloning working, but not two individual screens
18:56<witte>one is a tft, connected to the DVI port, the other is a crt, connected to the vga port
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18:57<witte>the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:57<witte>the /var/log/Xorg.0.log:
18:58<witte>and the lspci:
18:59<witte>and I changed my xorg.conf a few times, so it could be that it is now relatively screwed :-)
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19:00<frank>hm, i915g is intended to have two ramdacs, should be no problem, guess that depends on drivers available
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19:01<witte>I have the drivers currently in testing
19:02<witte>I tried with intel and i810 drivers
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19:03<frank>hm, myself only have nvidia stuff, used xinerama and twinview with it, not sure but xinerama is iirc not nvidia specific
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19:03<witte>I also tried the kxgenerator and grandr gui stuff to configure stuff, but that seemed not very succesfull
19:03<witte>frank: I had several dual screen setups
19:04<witte>frank: but it is always a bit different :-)
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19:05<witte>frank: maybe I should look more into the mergedFB thing?
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19:11<Hostile>witte: with the kernel that was failing before
19:12<witte>Hostile: yes
19:12<Hostile>witte: yeah, with the kernel that panicked before it boots fine with it on auto
19:13<witte>Hostile: so it could be also a bug of your bios :-/
19:13<Hostile>or some setting the kernel does not like
19:14<witte>Hostile: maybe mail the bug with this information, could be usefull
19:14<witte>Hostile: and with the request to lower the criticallity :-)
19:14<Hostile>witte: the bug has already been filed?
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19:16<witte>Hostile: is this you:
19:16<witte>sorry to give up your net-identigy
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19:17<Hostile>witte: want me to reply to that bug?
19:18<witte>Hostile: don't know, that is what i would do, but I am not that experienced in it
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19:18<witte>Hostile: just that the people who try to solve the issue don't search for the wrong things
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19:19<witte>Hostile: and now you can just send an email with your favourite application to <bugnumber>
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19:19<witte>ok, I have to go
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19:19<MBR666>i just installed debian 4.0 using the net install method. i'm having trouble getting my prism2_usb wireless card going. also i would like to know what do i use to configurre my wireless network in deb 4.0
19:20<witte>the Belgian weather gods have decided that it does not rain currently, so have to run...
19:20<Hostile>witte: got it
19:20<Hostile>witte: thanks for everything
19:20<witte>no problem, cu
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19:21<MBR666>would any one be able to assist me here? i'm running gnome as my de
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19:22<ranix>MBR666: wireless network card chipset manufacturers have decided to put their collective heads up their collective asses and be dicks about releasing the source for or schematics of their drivers/chipsets
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19:22<ranix>MBR666: probably because they all steal from each other and are otherwise a bunch of asses
19:23<MBR666>ranix, i know. usb wireless card did work under ubuntu though. i used the linux-wlan-ng driver
19:23<MBR666>but with ubuntu. it had the correct software installed for me already. i moved away from ubuntu because of its over user friendlness
19:24<ranix>MBR666: there should be a similar method for debian. Have you googled the chipset name?
19:24<MBR666>i installed linux-wlan under deb
19:24<MBR666>but i don't know what to use as a manager
19:25<ranix>MBR666: what kind of card is it? Start every adventure by asking Google its name
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19:25<ranix>MBR666: it's dangerous to go alone, etc.
19:25<MBR666>i have and i came up with the same thing.. linux-wlan-ng driver
19:25<MBR666>it's a mn-510 microsoft usb adapter
19:26<ranix>MBR666: so you grabbed linux-wlan-ng and linux-wlan-ng-firmware
19:26<MBR666>no firm needed i guess
19:26<MBR666>it wasn't listed on websites nore in apt-get
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19:26<ranix>MBR666: I would also get the firmware
19:26<ranix>MBR666: have you inserted the module with modprobe?
19:27<ranix>MBR666: you probably have to 'modprobe ng' or 'modprobe wlan-ng'
19:27<MBR666>i didn't know i had to
19:27<ranix>you probably do
19:27<MBR666>i'm heh a neebie as ya can tell
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19:27<MBR666>i have to be root?
19:27<ranix>well this is something you have to do a couple times before you get the process down
19:27<ranix>MBR666: only root or sudo can do modprobe
19:28<MBR666>i'll fire up man on modprobe and see what i can come up with
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19:28<ranix>MBR666: modprobe -i <module>
19:28<ranix>MBR666: the only sticky point is finding out what module that installs
19:28<ranix>what its name is
19:29<MBR666>and how would i find that out?
19:29<MBR666>from what i gather online. prism2_usb is all i know
19:30<ranix>MBR666: apt-file
19:30<ranix>MBR666: I am updating apt-file now to look for you.
19:30<MBR666>ty man
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19:32<ranix>MBR666: try 'modprobe -i linux-wlan-ng'
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19:33<MBR666>fatal mod not found error
19:33<ranix>MBR666: is the card inserted now?
19:33<ranix>MBR666: have you ejected and reinserted it yet
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19:34<MBR666>not by software. didn't know linux could do that like windows
19:34<MBR666>should just unplug the hardware manually
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19:35<ranix>MBR666: yes
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19:35<MBR666>unplugged and replugged in
19:36<ranix>MBR666: any lights on the nic?
19:36<MBR666>yes. power and wireless - the latter is a data transfer indicator
19:36<ranix>MBR666: congratulations it works
19:36<MBR666>ok now how do i configure this thing for my lan
19:37<MBR666>i know my network settings. i just need the app to do it in
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19:37<MBR666>ifconfig doesn't report my usb card as being there
19:37<ranix>MBR666: iwconfig?
19:38<MBR666>but it does show my eth card
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19:38<ranix>oh iwlist
19:38<MBR666>reports eth0 no extentions and no wireless extentions
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19:39<ranix>MBR666: I stumble through this every time I do it
19:39<ranix>MBR666: maybe you should ask someone else or google harder. I'll just flood the channel and waste yourtime
19:39<MBR666>it was easy as all hell getting ubuntu and xubuntu going with this. but that's the down fall of "user friendly. lol
19:40<MBR666>hell i have nothing but time.. well 2 hrs of it anyway ;)
19:40<ranix>MBR666: well if you have done it once (and your card is supported by linux in the first place) it's pie the next time
19:41<MBR666>one would hope
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19:47<MBR666>still no luck
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20:35<gsimmons>!linux-wlan-ng install
20:36<dpkg>somebody said linux-wlan-ng-install was as root: "apt-get update; apt-get install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng". You should now have linux-wlan-ng modules installed for your current kernel. You may or may not need firmware for your adapter (ask me about <contrib> then install 'linux-wlan-ng-firmware' package).
20:37<Hostile>how do I tell debian how to setup my network interfaces on boot?
20:37<gsimmons>ranix: MBR666 was required to build a package containing his required drivers. Installing the 'linux-wlan-ng' package alone won't cut it, at least with respect to Etch.
20:38<gsimmons>Hostile: Modify your /etc/network/interfaces file as appropriate. See the interfaces(5) man page.
20:41<Hostile>gsimmons: alright, thanks
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20:43<Hostile>my dhcp3 server is failing to start, it says check syslog, but I see no errors in /var/log/messages
20:43<gsimmons>Hostile: Try /var/log/syslog.
20:43<Hostile>gsimmons: ah, I feel dumb
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20:49<cyberfra>hello, i'm packing with cdbs, before it was made by autotools, i have a problem: the manual is in doc-book (sgml) , i have to translate it to manpage by docbook-to-man debian/dia2code.sgml > debian/dia2code.1 or there is another way?use the class
20:49<Hostile>hmm, I'm getting "No subnet declaration for eth0 (", I don't know what it wants?
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21:03<Hostile>gsimmons: alright, I'm stumped, i set up my interfaces file and /etc/init.d/networking restart, doesn't work right
21:04<Hostile>gsimmons: if I put my interfaces on pastebin will you have a look?
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21:05<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
21:05<gsimmons>Hostile: Sure. But what isn't working right: the desired assignment of information to your network interfaces, or the DHCP server?
21:05<Hostile>gsimmons: the desired assignment
21:05<Hostile>gsimmons: Ill have eth1 down or unconfigured, then I run /etc/init.d/networking restart and nothing changes
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21:08<gsimmons>Hostile: You're missing either an 'auto' or 'allow-hotplug' line for eth1.
21:08<Hostile>gsimmons: which one should I have
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21:10<gsimmons>Hostile: 'allow-hotplug eth1' should be fine in your configuration.
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21:12<Hostile>gsimmons: okay seems to work. now heres another question, doing /etc/init.d/networking restart does all this stuff with sendmail, but I removed sendmail-bin and thought I got rid of it
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21:15<ryanakca>hmm. I have /var/tmp/bzflag.bug ... but is there a bugreport command to send it?
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21:20<Hostile>eh ill be back in a bit
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21:34<shaya>how does one get ssl working w/ apache2?
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21:35<shaya>all the docs I see reference a apache2-ssl-certificate but it doesnt exist
21:35<ricky>ssl tutorial
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21:35<ricky>Oh, no fajita at the moment :(
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21:36<ricky>ssl tutorial is and please ignore teh typos.
21:36<ricky>Or, I mean "but look out fot the typos"
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21:37<shaya>so one doesn't need mod ssl anymore?
21:37<ricky>Woah, I jsut had a weird case of forgetting what channel I'm in- sorry about that.
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21:37<lupine>you need to get/make a certificate
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21:38<shaya>I have/had ssl working on apache 1.3
21:38<shaya>but debian is forcing me to upgrade to 2.2
21:38<shaya>it doesn't seem like a straight forward upgrade
21:38<lupine>nah, debian has apache 1 as well
21:38<shaya>new php5 forces apache2.2
21:38<lupine>that's different :p
21:39<shaya>its a policy decision to drop apache 1.3
21:39<shaya>or so it seems
21:39<shaya>as php5 still supports apache 1.3
21:40<DMaggot>I switched to Apache2 and it was a very smooth switch, yet I'm not sure if it's the general case
21:41<shaya>not smooth for me at the moment
21:41<shaya>ExecCGI doesnt seem to work
21:41<midget>hi all
21:41<ricky>Do you have the necessary AddHandler to go with that?
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21:42<DMaggot>well, first of all, there's a different management of CGIs in Apache2
21:42<midget>can anybody points to a doc to install Debian on a remote server currently running RH?
21:42<DMaggot>are you aware of that??
21:42<dpkg>[debootstrap] <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot., or see, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details.
21:42<ricky>midget: Perhaps that might be useful to you?
21:42<DMaggot>it has to do with Virtual Servers and all
21:42<DMaggot>I had some problems running Perl scripts too
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21:43<shaya>movable type now runs
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21:43<shaya>now need to figure out ssl
21:43<midget>ok, I'll take a look
21:44<midget>thanks for the info
21:44<shaya>what's the "correct"(tm) way of adding a mod thats in mods-available/ to mods-enabled ?
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21:45<ricky>shaya: a2enmod
21:45<shaya>where is this all documented :(
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21:45<ricky>And a2dismod for disabling, and the same for sites (a2ensite/dissite, if I remember correctly).
21:45<ryanakca>hmm. I have /var/tmp/bzflag.bug ... but is there a bugreport command to send it?
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21:46<ricky>shaya: Maybe it's some where in /usr/share/doc/apache*
21:46<ricky>ryanakca: Perhaps reportbugs?
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21:50<ryanakca>ricky: ?
21:50<shaya>in apache 1.3, one would create a virthost for port 443
21:50<shaya>ala <VirtualHost _default_:443>
21:50<shaya>it seems apache 2.2 doesnt like that
21:50<shaya>how does one do the equivalent?
21:50<ricky>ryanakca: Yes?
21:51<ricky>ryanakca: Oops, I mean reportbug, no "s."
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21:51<ryanakca>ricky: *nods*, but, what's the option to mail it?
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21:52<ricky>ryanakca: I'm honestly not very familiar with that command- man reportbug will probably tell you.
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21:59<Zacariaz>yo all you smart guys, any recomendations regarding flash, java and other stuff that you might need while browsing the net? im running testing by the way...
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22:00<DMaggot>what kind of recom??
22:01<Zacariaz>well, i dont really know what to do, i only know that stuff like, fx. youtube, is useless as it is now
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22:06<DMaggot>there's an interesting field you can explore
22:06<DMaggot>which is AJAX scripting
22:07<DMaggot>which lets you modify the content of a web page without reloading it all
22:07<DMaggot>(just reloading a particular part)
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22:07<DMaggot>AJAX is pretty much JavaScript with an xmlRequest object
22:07<DMaggot>so mixing Flash with JavaScript and XML is a good practice
22:08<shaya>still dont see documentation on how to get ssl working w/ apache2
22:09<Xenguy>heh, that's a great question :-)
22:09<Xenguy>sorry, ww
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22:10<kurumin>Who are you...
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22:10[~]Xenguy whirls like a dirvish...
22:10<kurumin>i'm brazilian..
22:10<janrocks>i'm a lurker
22:10<kurumin>you talk portuguese
22:11<Xenguy>I'm a ghost in the machine...
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22:11<Xenguy>heh, that was... interesting :-)
22:11<janrocks>isn't it
22:11<kurumin>If you are a ghost,i'm kevin Mitnick....
22:12<janrocks>mitnik .. not
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22:13[~]Xenguy keeps re-reading the buffer, in disbelief...
22:13<Xenguy>weird, whatever
22:14<kurumin>where you from...
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22:14<Xenguy>ATM, I think Mars ;-)
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22:14[~]Xenguy loves the username...
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22:22<Greg>im trying to ./configure and it says configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
22:22<Greg>do i need a package or is osmething wrong with the files?
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22:25<amphi>Greg: install build-essential perhaps
22:26<JasonS>and why are you cpmpiling?
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22:28<DMaggot>yeah, good question
22:28<Zacariaz>ok, seemingly nobody was able to help with flash/java problem, but i have another problem, my sound is very low, does anyone have any idea why?
22:29<Greg>its a script
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22:32<brmuljo> ог се драги на Србе разљути
22:32<brmuljo> за њихова смртна сагрешења.
22:32<brmuljo> Наши цари закон погазише,
22:32<brmuljo> почеше се крвнички гонити,
22:32<brmuljo> један другом вадит очи живе;
22:32<brmuljo> забацише владу и државу,
22:32<brmuljo> за правило лудост изабраше.
22:32<brmuljo> Невјерне им слуге постадоше
22:32<brmuljo> и царском се крвљу окупаше.
22:32<brmuljo> Великаши, проклете им душе,
22:32<brmuljo> на комате раздробише царство,
22:32<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
22:32<brmuljo> српске силе грдно сатријеше;
22:32<brmuljo> великаши, траг им се утро,
22:32<brmuljo> распре сјеме посијаше грко,
22:32<suiside>brmuljo: stop that
22:32<brmuljo> те с њим племе српско отроваше;
22:32<brmuljo> великаши, грдне кукавице,
22:32<ameyer>either that or
22:32<brmuljo> постадоше рода издајице.
22:32<brmuljo> О проклета косовска вечеро,
22:32<brmuljo> куд та срећа да грдне главаре
22:32<brmuljo> све потрова и траг им утрије;
22:32<brmuljo> сам да Милош оста на сриједи
22:32<brmuljo> са његова оба побратима,
22:32<brmuljo> те би Србин данас Србом био!
22:32<brmuljo> Бранковићу, погано кољено,
22:32<brmuljo> тако ли се служи отачаству,
22:33<brmuljo> тако ли се цијени поштење?
22:33<brmuljo> О Милоше, ко ти не завиди?
22:33<brmuljo> Ти си жертва благородног чувства,
22:33<brmuljo> воинствени гениј свемогући,
22:33<brmuljo> гром стравични те круне раздраба!
22:33<brmuljo> Величаство витешке ти душе
22:33<brmuljo> надмашује бесмртне подвиге
22:33<brmuljo> дивне Спарте и великог Рима;
22:33<brmuljo> сва витештва њина блистателна
22:33<brmuljo> твоја горда мишца помрачује.
22:33<brmuljo> Шта Леонид оће и Сцевола
22:33<brmuljo> кад Обилић стане на поприште?
22:33<brmuljo> Ова мишца једнијем ударом
22:33<brmuljo> престол сруши а тартар уздрма.
22:33<brmuljo> Паде Милош, чудо витезовах,
22:33<ameyer>brmuljo: stop flooding
22:33<brmuljo> жертвом на трон бича свијетскога.
22:33<brmuljo> Гордо лежи велики војвода
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22:33<brmuljo> под кључевма крви благородне,
22:33<brmuljo> ка малопред што гордо иђаше,
22:33<brmuljo> страсном мишљу прсих надутијех,
22:33<brmuljo> кроз дивјачне тмуше азијатске,
22:33<brmuljo> гутајућ их ватреним очима;
22:33<brmuljo> ка малопред што гордо иђаше
22:33<brmuljo> к светом гробу бесмртног живота,
22:33<brmuljo> презирући људско ништавило
22:33<brmuljo> и плетење безумне скупштине.
22:33<brmuljo> Бог се драги на Србе разљути:
22:33<brmuljo> седмоглава изиде аждаја
22:33<brmuljo> и сатрије Српство свеколико,
22:33<brmuljo> клеветнике грдне и клевету.
22:33<brmuljo> На развале царства јуначкога
22:33<brmuljo> засја света Милошева правда,
22:33<brmuljo> окруни се слава вјековјечно
22:33<brmuljo> Милошева оба побратима
22:33<brmuljo> и лијепе ките Југовићах.
22:33<brmuljo> Српској капи свуд име погибе.
22:33<brmuljo> Постадоше лафи ратарима,
22:33<brmuljo> истурчи се плахи и лакоми -
22:33<brmuljo> млијеко их српско разгубало!
22:34<brmuljo> Што утече испод сабље турске,
22:34<brmuljo> што на вјеру праву не похули,
22:34<brmuljo> што се не хће у ланце везати,
22:34<brmuljo> то се збјежа у ове планине
22:34<brmuljo> да гинемо и крв проливамо,
22:34<brmuljo> да јуначки аманет чувамо,
22:34<brmuljo> дивно име и свету свободу.
22:34<brmuljo> Све су наше главе изабране!
22:34<suiside>!ops brmuljo is flooding the channel
22:34<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: suiside complains about: brmuljo is flooding the channel
22:34<brmuljo> Момци дивни, исто ка звијезде;
22:34<brmuljo> што су досад ове горе дале,
22:34<brmuljo> сви падали у крваве борбе,
22:34<brmuljo> пали за чест, име и свободу.
22:34<brmuljo> И наше су утирали сузе
22:34<brmuljo> вјешти звуци дивнијех гусалах.
22:34<brmuljo> Просте наше жертве свеколике
22:34<brmuljo> кад је наша тврда постојбина
22:34<brmuljo> силе турске несита гробница.
22:34<brmuljo> Што је ово ево неко доба
22:34<brmuljo> те су наше горе умучале,
22:34<brmuljo> не разлежу ратнијем клицима?
22:34<brmuljo> Почину ни рђа на оружје,
22:34<brmuljo> остаде ни земља без главарах.
22:34<brmuljo> Некршћу се форе усмрђеше...
22:34<brmuljo> Уједно су овце и курјаци,
22:34<brmuljo> здружио се Турчин с Црногорцем,
22:34<brmuljo> оџа риче на равном Цетињу!
22:34<brmuljo> Смрад ухвати лафа у кљусама,
22:34|-|mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ
22:34<brmuljo> затрије се име црногорско,
22:34|-|mode/#debian [+b *!*] by peterS
22:34|-|mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS
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22:34<suiside>thank you
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22:35<icwiener>Anyone to translate? :)
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22:35<ameyer>russian spambot?
22:35<icwiener>Or wrong paste.
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22:36<ameyer>I'll pass the start of it through google translate
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22:37<DMaggot>does that work??
22:37<ameyer>well, it's not russian
22:37<DMaggot>it usually returns nonsense
22:38<ameyer>erm, actually english->russian wouldnt work there
22:38[~]ameyer pebkac
22:38<ameyer>it seems to be russian gobbledygook
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22:41<ameyer>(the flood translated by google)
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23:01<Hostile>in my /etc/network/interfaces, is it possible to set the mtu size on a dhcp interface?
23:02<dondelelcaro>Hostile: man 5 interfaces; and search for mtu
23:02<Hostile>dondelelcaro: I see how to set it with the static method
23:02<Hostile>but it doesn't look like I can with dhcp method?
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23:02<dondelelcaro>Hostile: if you're using dhcp, the dhcp server should be specifying an MUT
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23:03<Hostile>so its my ISP thats putting it at 576 instead of 1500 =\
23:03<dondelelcaro>presumably your ISP has a legitimate reason for setting that as an MTU
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23:04<Hostile>those rat bastards!
23:05<dondelelcaro>well, one would hope that those "rat bastards" would know their network and the devices on them
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23:05<Hostile>well, their still bastards for making my networking setup complicated =P
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23:11<chris_>is debian more secure then other distro's?
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23:11<dpkg>Put "deb stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". , or ask me about testing security or unstable security
23:11<dondelelcaro>chris_: depends; in general it can be.
23:12<ameyer>if you want security at all costs, you probably want openbsd
23:12<chris_>how so?
23:12<Zacariaz>ok, regarding my "low sound" problem i have now tryed opening alsamixer and im pcm is at max, however it seems that my master is at 0, which is odd as sound level is up, allthough not very much. anyhow, if the master is the problem, how can i turn it up?
23:12<chris_>i don't like bsd (lol)
23:12<ameyer>including lack of function
23:12<freehat>Zacariaz, you should be able to manipulate the volume from a program like alsamixer
23:12<dondelelcaro>chris_: it depends on what you install, which suite you run, how often you update, and how closely our security team tracks everything
23:15<ameyer>chris_: if you're not an idiot, linux tends to be secure enough...
23:15<freehat>oh wow that's nice
23:15<ameyer>upgrade stuff semi-regularly, use proper passwords, stuff like that
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23:16<Zacariaz>i give, i must be invisible or something
23:16<freehat>Zacariaz, you can increase the main volume from alsamixer
23:16<freehat>just run alsamixer and press the up arrow, then ESC when done, Zacariaz
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23:22<Zacariaz>ive tryed using alsamixer, but the pcm is at max and the master im not able to adjust
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23:23<Zacariaz>and now somehow my sound devise got unloaded
23:26<Zacariaz>could someone please give me a hint how to load the alsa module again so i dont have to restart?
23:26<freehat>Zacariaz, try alsaconf
23:27<Zacariaz>doesnt work, alsaconf was responsible for unloading the module in the first case
23:28<freehat>Are you running unstable?
23:28<dondelelcaro>Zacariaz: depends on your soundcard, but it'll be modprobe snd_blahblahsoundcard;
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23:28<freehat>You'll have to manually modprobe it then, yes.
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23:28<dondelelcaro>Zacariaz: but without knowing which soundcard you have, I can't tell you the module to loadl
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23:28<freehat>alsaconf should tell you the module to load... I think that's how I eventually got mine working
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23:31<Zacariaz>ok here goes: intel corporation 82801g (ich7 fa and then the rest is cut of
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23:32<Zacariaz>bah, i hate linux.... only problem being i hate windows a great deal more
23:32<freehat>Zacariaz, go to the next screen
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23:32<freehat>Zacariaz, after you select your card, it will tell you the snd-***** for your card
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23:33<Zacariaz>i have two option in alsaconf
23:33<klys_>what's the best filter to wrap text within 20 columns?
23:33<dpkg>[roff] the lamest word of telling some
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23:34<Zacariaz>snd_hda_intel sound right?
23:35<freehat>sure, try modprobing that
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23:35<klys_>got it, pr -W
23:35<Zacariaz>EURIKA§! it worked, thanks, not easy being a noob, hopefully wont be forever
23:37<Zacariaz>sound is still very low though
23:37<freehat>Tried alsamixer?
23:37<Zacariaz>yaya, i can adjust the pcm but not the master and those are those that matters right?
23:37<freehat>What are you using to play audio?
23:38<Zacariaz>you mean which program?
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23:38<klys_>man pr -W cuts out a lot of text
23:38<Zacariaz>whatever comes in handy, those included in the gnome package
23:39<Zacariaz>but in alsamixer the master just say [00]
23:39<Zacariaz>that seems wrong
23:39<freehat>I have no idea =/
23:39<freehat>I'm just a newb myself
23:40<Zacariaz>argh! im dying here and you are discribing the water!
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23:40<Zacariaz>sdrowning, not dying
23:40<Zacariaz>anyway, thank
23:40<freehat>It's very watery.
23:40<freehat>And deep
23:41<Zacariaz>ill just ry googling again for like the 1000nd time
23:41<freehat>Maybe try another mixer
23:41<freehat>There's got to be a GUI one with GNOME
23:41<freehat>that's controlling the master?
23:41<freehat>Some kind of mute maybe.. I don't know
23:41<freehat>I don't use GNOME
23:42<Zacariaz>ill look into it
23:43<Zacariaz>but there is a gui mixer with gnome but it only displays pcm
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23:46<freehat>amixer set Master 100%
23:46<freehat>try that, Zacariaz
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23:47<klys_>html2text t/view | fmt -w 20 | pr -W 20 -f -t
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23:50<freehat>Guess he's already drowned. =(
23:50<Zacariaz>unable to find simple control 'master',0
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23:51<freehat>Well then
23:51<freehat>amixer|grep Simple
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23:51<freehat>Anything that looks like a master control?
23:51<freehat>apparently you don't even have one.
23:52<freehat>Oh, also, make sure it's "Master" case sensitive
23:52<Zacariaz>ah, 2 sec
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23:53<Zacariaz>invalid command
23:53<freehat>amixer set Master 100% ??
23:53<Zacariaz>this is getting very enoying
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23:54<Zacariaz>just did a amixer -? semms it should be sset and not set, ill just gonna try it
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23:55<freehat>set works for me....
23:56<freehat>you'd be better off reading the man pages... man amixer
23:57<freehat>sset and set both work for me =)
23:57<Zacariaz>Simple mixer control 'Master',0
23:57<Zacariaz>Simple mixer control 'PCM',0
23:57<Zacariaz>Simple mixer control 'Front Mic',0
23:57<Zacariaz>Simple mixer control 'Line',0
23:57<Zacariaz>Simple mixer control 'CD',0
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23:58<Zacariaz>those should be the avalible control
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23:59<freehat>So what does it say when you type amixer sset Master 100% ?
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