Back to Home / #debian / 2007 / 08 / Prev Day | Next Day
#debian IRC Logs for 2007-08-22

---Logopened Wed Aug 22 00:00:06 2007
---Daychanged Wed Aug 22 2007
00:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
00:00|-|linkpass [~link@190-82-175-6.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has quit []
00:00<Zacariaz>invalid command
00:01<freehat>Is that amixer: invalid command or just a generic BASH invalid command?
00:02<Zacariaz>amixer
00:02<Zacariaz>i just did: amixer sget Master - that worked fine
00:03<freehat>amixer sset Master works?
00:04<Zacariaz>specify what you wanna set it says
00:04<Zacariaz>but it works yes
00:05<Zacariaz>i just tryed amixer sset Master volume 100 and it didnt complain
00:05<freehat>Maybe it doesn't recongize %
00:05<freehat>Anyways, did that work?
00:05<Zacariaz>im just about to investigate that
00:06<Zacariaz>nope
00:06<freehat>If 100 doesn't work I guess you could go higher, since I believe it's a hardware value
00:06<freehat>And depends on your hardware
00:06<freehat>Try 1000? lo
00:06<freehat>lol
00:07|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: ReMooD - http://remood.sf.net/]
00:08|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has joined #debian
00:08<freehat>Well if this doesn't work, I'd try setting the value, then checking it out in alsamixer.. see if it's any different.
00:08<Zacariaz>ok, the big question is what to write: amixer sset Master "here" because is accepts anything
00:08<Zacariaz>accept numbers
00:09<freehat>type 'man amixer'
00:09<freehat>and look at the set parameter
00:09<freehat>you can use dB or %.. at least mine allows
00:10<freehat>If it's not changed in alsamixer after you manipulate it through amixer, then there's obviously a problem with either setting it or something is muting it.
00:11<freehat>Well I hope you get it worked out. I've got work in the morning.
00:11|-|freehat [~john@CPE-67-48-107-46.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep]
00:11|-|pato [~pato@189.179.215.187] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
00:12<Zacariaz>ty for you help
00:12|-|sutula [sutula@free.linux.hp.com] has joined #debian
00:13|-|kintaro0e [~kintaro0e@58.71.19.189] has joined #debian
00:13|-|sandman [~sandman_@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
00:15|-|peej [~pawan@59.178.61.185] has joined #debian
00:18<peej>I got a sarge laptop talking over wifi to an u****u dapper using wep by setting the key in /etc/network/interfaces. Is that the right way to do secure wifi currently? I understood airsnort could crack the connection - or is that no longer true?
00:19|-|mankod [mankod@201.132.176.105] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
00:19|-|alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Quit: Superkb 0.10 released: http://superkb.sf.net/]
00:19|-|alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #debian
00:20|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has joined #debian
00:24|-|bl4de [~ritter@p549CA328.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
00:25|-|Zacariaz [~felix@hancock.amagerkollegiet.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
00:25|-|epiR [~epiR@149.pool80-102-33.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #debian
00:25|-|epiR [~epiR@149.pool80-102-33.dynamic.orange.es] has left #debian []
00:25|-|zophy [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:27|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has quit [Quit: cahoot]
00:27<gsimmons>peej: Given enough IVs acquired by sniffing exchanged packets, the WEP key can eventually be determined. You might want to use WPA if available, or use an encrypted VPN (eg. OpenVPN) instead.
00:28|-|fsateler [~kvirc@pc-139-177-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit []
00:29[~]peej searches for info on WPA
00:30<peej>WPA info at http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
00:31|-|BobHartge [~rehartge@cpe-24-93-241-55.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
00:32|-|snowball_ [~snowball@nly93-1-82-232-72-199.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
00:33<peej>debhelper: WPA?
00:34<peej>dpkg, WPA?
00:34<dpkg>i heard wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided in Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
00:35|-|asma [~asma@202.38.48.177] has joined #debian
00:36<peej>k3wl
00:36|-|peej [~pawan@59.178.61.185] has quit [Quit: bless ya, Debian]
00:36|-|NightMonkey [~NightMonk@nightmonkey.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
00:42|-|paistis [~Paistis@a88-113-123-222.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:42|-|paistis [~Paistis@a88-113-123-222.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
00:43<Greg>lol linux transfers so much faster than windows
00:43|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
00:45|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:47|-|ohmega [~ohmega@084202197051.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #debian
00:47|-|panthera [~daniel@unable-to-package.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:50|-|ohmega [~ohmega@084202197051.customer.alfanett.no] has quit []
00:50|-|vnode [~oberon@f048244189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
00:51|-|panthera [~daniel@unable-to-package.org] has joined #debian
00:51|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:53|-|zophy [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has joined #debian
00:54|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
00:56|-|chris_ [~chris@pool-71-102-113-27.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:59|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
01:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
01:00<Greg>what package is for tcl
01:03|-|kneet [~chris@213-187-160-178.dd.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:05|-|visik7 [~dksakd@host53-163-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
01:10<gsimmons>Greg: In Etch, either 'tcl8.3' or 'tcl8.4', depending on your version requirement. If you need thread support, install 'tcl8.4'.
01:12|-|jueg [~joe@port-87-234-213-79.static.qsc.de] has joined #debian
01:12|-|jueg [~joe@port-87-234-213-79.static.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
01:13|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.73.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:13|-|ameyer [~cheesebon@adsl-75-57-176-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
01:15|-|themill_ [~stuart@86.53.48.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:16|-|jueg [~joe@port-87-234-213-79.static.qsc.de] has joined #debian
01:16<kingsley>Has spamassassin become too cautious? After years of using it with few problems, I just discovered that version 3.2.0-1 wrongly flagged nine emails as spam in only two days. I don't recall spamassassin having ever misidentified a ligitimate email as spam before.
01:17|-|jueg [~joe@port-87-234-213-79.static.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
01:18|-|jueg [~joe@port-87-234-213-79.static.qsc.de] has joined #debian
01:20|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
01:20|-|jueg [~joe@port-87-234-213-79.static.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
01:20|-|et_alia [~shalicke@astralthought.com] has joined #debian
01:22|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:26|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has joined #debian
01:27|-|et_alia [~shalicke@astralthought.com] has quit [Quit: leaving]
01:29|-|jueg [~joe@port-87-234-213-79.static.qsc.de] has joined #debian
01:30|-|jueg [~joe@port-87-234-213-79.static.qsc.de] has left #debian []
01:30<simonrvn>kingsley: do you expect something like that to be perfect? you're naive then if you think so. it happens
01:31<seanius>it all depends on the threshold you set, the tests you run, and the scoring you give for each of the tests
01:32|-|ohnotagain [~fraz@82-69-122-76.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
01:32<kingsley>simonrvn: Nah... something changed. Going from 0 false positives in years to 9 in two days isn't normal.
01:32|-|fuad [~fuad@125.162.210.165] has joined #debian
01:33|-|zophy [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:34|-|ohnotagain [~fraz@82-69-122-76.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #debian []
01:36<kingsley>As an aside, missing emails are one of those silent bugs that can go unnoticed until someone happens to ask you why you didn't get back to them, and then you find a treasure trove of lost emails in your spam "folder" (directory).
01:36|-|WildOS [~rat@213.184.212.218] has joined #debian
01:37|-|mjk [~mjk@p54AC76C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
01:37|-|Enfilade [~ae@124-171-184-39.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:37|-|lymeca| [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:38<WildOS>I am building a cross compiler that should run in windows using minGW. MinGW is using gcc 3.4.2, but when trying to apt-get source I can only find 3.4.6. Where can I find 3.4.2 ?
01:40|-|lymeca| [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
01:42|-|vasi [~vasi@modemcable130.218-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
01:43<blarson>WildOS: Try archive.debian.net
01:43|-|visik7 [~dksakd@aruba-122-211.aruba.unimo.it] has joined #debian
01:46<WildOS>blarson: Thanks :-)
01:48|-|Melais [~Melais@intranet.zonepro-network.net] has joined #debian
01:51|-|madroach [madroach.d@p5B11891D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
01:52|-|danzigrules [danzigrule@74-132-72-68.dhcp.insightbb.com] has left #debian []
01:53|-|kneet [~chris@82.196.214.14] has joined #debian
01:54|-|madroach [madroach.d@p5B11891D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit []
01:54|-|kl [~mytc09@60.52.82.106] has joined #debian
01:54|-|kl [~mytc09@60.52.82.106] has quit []
01:54<Greg>how do i give permissions to users or something.. im trying to load an eggdrop and it says could not write pid.eggdrop file
01:54|-|siphoo [~mydokumen@125.163.202.238] has joined #debian
01:54<Inty>Greg, chmod
01:54<Inty>man chmod
01:54<Greg>lol
01:54<Greg>does chmod chmod for everyone
01:55<Inty>for the user, the group, and the rest
01:55<Inty>but if you want specific multiple user rights
01:55<Inty>you can use acl
01:55<Greg>chmod eggdrop 777
01:55<Greg>error
01:55<Inty>ehm
01:55<Inty>the numbers need to be in front
01:55<Inty>chmod 755 eggdrop
01:55<Greg>yea
01:55<Greg>ok
01:56<Greg>same error
01:56<Inty>whats the error code then?
01:56<Greg>well its the Warning! Could not write pid.eggdrop file!
01:57<Inty>check the permissions on the pid file
01:57<Greg>it hasn't been created yet
01:57<Greg>should i just make a random file with that name?
01:57|-|eisen [~eisen@xdsl-81-173-159-81.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:57<Inty>hmm you could do that
01:57<Inty>but it should be doing that automatically
01:57|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
01:58<Greg>well hey.. if i move the eggdrop folder.. everything will still work correct?
01:58<Inty>as long as the same user can still execute it yes
01:58|-|siphoo [~mydokumen@125.163.202.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:58<Greg>when i compiled it under the root terminal it created an eggdrop folder under root
01:58<Greg>when i am logged in as greg though
01:58<Inty>:/
01:58<WildOS>Greg: Perhaps you need to change permissions on the folder?
01:59|-|asma [~asma@202.38.48.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:59<Greg>hmms
01:59<Requiem>hrm
01:59<Inty>chown greg:greg eggdrop_folder/
01:59<Inty>woops
01:59<Greg>?
01:59<Inty>chown -R greg:greg eggdrop_folder/
01:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
01:59<Inty>you also need recursive
01:59<Greg>explain?
01:59<Inty>;D
02:00|-|tcsetattr [pacman@dialup-4.224.135.119.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net] has joined #debian
02:00|-|kite [~kite@201-27-193-39.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #debian
02:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
02:00<Requiem>failure of thermal sensors programs would be kernel style hardware interface failure correct?
02:00|-|kite [~kite@201-27-193-39.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit []
02:00<Requiem>recursive makes it so you own the subfolders and everything
02:00<Inty>thange the owner and the group of the eggdrop folder and underlying files and folders to your own user
02:00<Greg>is it fine to stay in my root folder?
02:01|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.114.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:01<Inty>as long as the user executing the eggdrop has access to your root folder
02:01|-|philippe [~fille@a91-153-17-113.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
02:01|-|dffrhj [~mydokumen@125.163.202.238] has joined #debian
02:01<Requiem>which they shouldn't
02:01<Inty>nope
02:01|-|philippe [~fille@a91-153-17-113.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
02:01<Inty>just put it in the home dir of the user executig the eggdrop
02:02|-|Eulex [~alex@85.235.5.6] has joined #debian
02:02<Greg>i didn't know if it would be okay
02:02|-|dffrhj [~mydokumen@125.163.202.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:03<Greg>is there a way to get an address bar on my folders.. like a package
02:03<Greg>thats annoying that it keeps opening a new window every folder i click
02:03<Greg>hehe
02:03|-|thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179014028.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
02:04|-|lkumar [~lkumar@202.5.145.13] has joined #debian
02:05<lkumar>#postfix
02:05|-|lkumar [~lkumar@202.5.145.13] has quit []
02:05|-|leoncamel [~leoncamel@p7146-ipbfp502fukuokachu.fukuoka.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:06|-|harpal [~dhaval@219.64.82.163] has joined #debian
02:07|-|fuad [~fuad@125.162.210.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:08|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has joined #debian
02:10|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:11|-|asma [~asma@202.38.48.177] has joined #debian
02:12|-|entuall [~morgan@pom51-2-82-241-128-153.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
02:12|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has joined #debian
02:14|-|nurdys [~nurdys@bft33-1-88-168-253-54.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
02:14|-|xuwei [xuwei@222.85.71.212] has joined #debian
02:15|-|tcsetattr [pacman@dialup-4.224.135.119.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net] has quit [Quit: tcsetattr]
02:17|-|cyt_ [~cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw] has quit [Quit: leaving]
02:17|-|cyt [~cyt@linux.cs.ccu.edu.tw] has joined #debian
02:21|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
02:21|-|nOp [~xxxx@bas33-1-82-66-7-9.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
02:23|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-92-62.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
02:23|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:24<harpal>I have a startup script for squid and now when I reboot my system than squid doesnt start. After login if I start squid manually than its starting than whats problem?
02:24<WildOS>Anyone know how I can find out what version of binutil minGW 5.1.3 is using?
02:25<WildOS>binutils..
02:27|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has joined #debian
02:29|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
02:29<Requiem>aha
02:29<Requiem>the problem is with the processor, not the chipset
02:30<Requiem>so to fully support the processor I need to upgrade to kernel 22...
02:30<Requiem>great
02:30|-|sgra [~sgra@guest-docking-nat-1-033.ethz.ch] has joined #debian
02:30|-|dennis [~dennis@200.32.236.10] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out]
02:30|-|dennis [~dennis@200.32.236.10] has joined #debian
02:31|-|sgra [~sgra@guest-docking-nat-1-033.ethz.ch] has quit []
02:31<Requiem>is it possible to backport the kernel, or do I need to do a full compile?
02:31|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:32|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-143-40.cust.tele2.de] has joined #debian
02:33<blarson>harpal: You may be trying to start it before everything it needs is ready.
02:34|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
02:35<nubbun>Greetings.
02:35|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
02:35<blarson>Requiem: backports are recompiles that use the dependancies available on the earlier release. (or other backported things)
02:35<harpal>blarson: I have just added squid at statup with update-rc.d squid defaults
02:36<klys_>xulrunner, I haven't used xulrunner. advice?
02:36<Requiem>can I get a 2.6.22 kernel without compiling it manually or not?
02:36<klys_>~xulrunner
02:36<dpkg>from memory, xulrunner is a minimized mozilla release without user interface. the xul applications provide the user interface. see: http://wiki.mozilla.org/XUL:Xul_Runner
02:37|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:37<harpal>Is there any log or anything from where I can see that or how to know which things is needed
02:37<Requiem>also getting a massive memory leak here...
02:38<klys_>the online documentation isn't helping: I want for starters a 256x160 borderless browse window positioned on my fluxbox desktop that can reload some text
02:38<nubbun>Is here the best channel to ask about a debian DVD (not) booting on a SPARC computer?
02:38|-|plamengr [~plamengr@91.139.154.157] has joined #debian
02:38<blarson>harpal: look in /var/log/syslog
02:38<Requiem>define 'not booting'
02:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 291] by debhelper
02:39|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has joined #debian
02:39<blarson>nubbun: try #debian-sparc , #debian-boot, or here
02:39<Requiem>can you boot a different disc (can you even find a SPARC bootable disc other than linux?)
02:40<weasel>why are you not simply installing over the network. it's a sparc after all :)
02:40<nubbun>Requiem, I insert DVD1 (r0). Start the computer. Issue the 'boot disk3' command. Get a message about no disklabel.
02:40<blarson>nubbun: What kind of sparc? What are the symptoms? What are you trying to boot?
02:41|-|GutterPunk [~steven@d54C3F581.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:41<Requiem>disclabel?
02:41<nubbun>I'm able to boot on a Gentoo DVD, but I want debian.
02:41<Requiem>what's that for?
02:41<Requiem>hrm
02:41<Requiem>try a more recent kernel?
02:41<nubbun>blarson: ultra80
02:41<Requiem>!sarge 2.6.20
02:41<dpkg>sarge 2.6.20 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
02:41<blarson>nubbun: disk3 would be for a disk. You need diferent options for a cdrom.
02:41<weasel>Requiem: you don't know sparc, right?
02:42<klys_>~google xulrunner minibrowser
02:42<Requiem>wait.. that site is only x86 isos
02:42<Requiem>nope
02:42<nubbun>I see there is a note that some sparcs aren't booting in the docs.
02:42<Requiem>but that worked for me when my disc wouldn't boot
02:42<nubbun>blarson, that is how I boot off this non-oem DVD drive.
02:42<blarson>nubbun: I think boot disk3:f might work, but I'd look at devalias.
02:43<weasel>nubbun: do you have another box that could run a tftpd?
02:43<nubbun>blarson, I'll try devalias. Never tried that before.
02:43|-|ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has joined #debian
02:43<nubbun>blarson,weasel I have an x86 box, I could install tftpd on.
02:43<nubbun>This is my first SPARC machine.
02:43<weasel>that'll probably work. at least that's how I installed my sparc
02:44|-|plamengr [~plamengr@91.139.154.157] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
02:44<nubbun>I've never used tftpd. Is there instructions on using it to install debian?
02:44<weasel>fetch ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-sparc/current/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/boot.img
02:44<weasel>put it in the tftp root directory
02:45<weasel>then boot net0:172.22.118.5,boot.img,172.22.118.11,172.22.118.1,3,3,255.255.255.0
02:45<weasel>where .5 is your tftp server, and .11 is the machine's ip, and .1 is the gw
02:45<nubbun>command 'boot cdrom' doesn't find the DVD drive. Maybe I need to change the SCSI ID? 'boot disk3' has worked for me, though.
02:45<weasel>(of course use your own IP addresses :)
02:46|-|NightMonkey [~NightMonk@nightmonkey.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Body blow! Body blow!]
02:47|-|GutterPunk [~steven@d54C3F581.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
02:48<blarson>nubbun: The cdrom devalias has something different than the disk ones. I think it was :f or something like that. You would need to jumper your dvdrom to scsi device 6 and use the cdrom alias, or change your devalias ...
02:48<harpal>blarson: thanx a lot, I havent created that log directory so its not starting at booting
02:49<harpal>I am missing with log directory
02:49[~]klys_ finds voyage.zip
02:49<klys_>still, I have a fluxbox question: how to make gecko positioned differently for different instances
02:49<harpal>but after login its starting than Is it not checking that log directory after login?
02:50|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: ReMooD - http://remood.sf.net/]
02:50|-|oxymor00n [~sec@83-215-41-131.bruck.dyn.salzburg-online.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
02:51<nubbun>blarson, yes it has :f at the end. I'll look into changing it. -- though I think that's not what's causing the problem, because I'm able to boot Gentoo, which uses SILO as the boot loader. Someone know what Debian SPARC uses for the bootloader offhand?
02:51|-|paistis [~Paistis@a88-113-123-222.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:52<klys_>~/.fluxbox/apps: [app] (gecko) ...
02:52<klys_>so now it's all the same
02:54|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-33-230-59.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
02:54|-|marko [marko@c-323c71d5.017-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #debian
02:54<klys_>should I replace the apps file and then start xulrunner?
02:55<blarson>nubbun: silo
02:55<marko>hi, i just installed a new kernel manually, and now my usb drive takes a long time to mount, and when i type df it stalls, any idea?
02:55|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-92-62.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
02:56<nubbun>marko, it takes a long time but still mounts?
02:56<marko>yeah
02:56|-|iblicf_ [~iblicf@125.34.25.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:57|-|MoDaX [~nth@lan-84-240-22-131.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:57<blarson>nubbun: If you don't want to change to devalias, you can always type the full device spec...
02:57<Requiem>anybody know anything about tracking down memory leaks?
02:57|-|graytron [~gray@h-62-142-156-151.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:57<WildOS>will running "rpm -bp binutils.spec" be the same as running configure in Debian (on the downloaded source for binutils)? This is extremely important to my build and I am totally lost :/
02:58<weasel>Requiem: valgrind.
02:58|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host48-250-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
02:58<Requiem>is that something that may be causing it, will fix it, or will track down the process that's causing it in the first place?
02:59|-|nurya [~koppe@jimknopf.rz.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #debian
02:59|-|graytron [~gray@h-62-142-156-151.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #debian
02:59<weasel>if you have to ask this question then maybe your first question was badly put :)
02:59|-|cinta [~cinta@ip-255-101.mitra.net.id] has joined #debian
02:59|-|GutterPunk [~steven@d54C3F581.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:59<weasel>anyway. google can answer it
02:59<nubbun>Requiem, tracks it down. Program must be compiled to use it.
02:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
03:00<weasel>huh?
03:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
03:00|-|nurya [~koppe@jimknopf.rz.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit []
03:00|-|cinta [~cinta@ip-255-101.mitra.net.id] has quit []
03:01|-|Radiance [be848a850d@halt.1984world.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:02|-|dstark [~dstark@c-67-171-220-179.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #debian
03:02|-|dstark changed nick to Starkonovich
03:03<Requiem>hrm
03:03<Requiem>this seems to check one program at a time
03:03|-|Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@host81-159-107-218.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
03:03<weasel>that's what memory leak means.
03:03<Requiem>I need something that will tell me which program is the problem
03:04<weasel>so you are not searching for memory leaks.
03:04|-|rickysarraf [~Rickyx@202.3.112.4] has joined #debian
03:04<weasel>what makes you think there is a problem?
03:04|-|ewanm89 [~ewanm89@host81-159-107-218.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
03:04<Requiem>"939952k used"
03:04<weasel>so?
03:05<weasel>show the rest also
03:05<Requiem>so that's three times what it should be for the programs I'm running
03:05<weasel>how much of that in buffers? in cache?
03:05<weasel>it just means you are looking at free output and draw the wrong conclusions
03:05<Eulex>free -m ?
03:05|-|ewanm89 [~ewanm89@host81-159-107-218.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit []
03:06|-|ewanm89 [~ewanm89@host81-159-107-218.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
03:06<Requiem>buffers 260MB cache 414MB
03:06|-|Gromitt [~palic@outer-core.ifg.uni-kiel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:06<weasel>so all is fine
03:07<Requiem>okay
03:07<nubbun>'used' is not what you were expecting, requiem
03:07<weasel>the linux kernel uses memory that's not used by applications to cache and buffer stuff
03:07<Requiem>ah...
03:07<weasel>that memory is easily made available to apps when they use it, after all it's just caches
03:07<Requiem>this is something that turns off in my other machine due to small memory size?
03:07<weasel>but why go to the hard disk to read stuff over and over again when you could just keep it in memory
03:08|-|ewanm89 [~ewanm89@host81-159-107-218.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit []
03:08<weasel>it's probably not used as extensively under memory pressure
03:08|-|Starkonovich [~dstark@c-67-171-220-179.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: [BX] The Power Rangers use BitchX. Shouldn't you?]
03:08<Requiem>ah, oaky
03:09<Requiem>so Linux does have all the memory cacheing stuff, it just turns it off when you're to the poin that you're in/nearly in swap.
03:09<weasel>yes, no.
03:09<Requiem>(which explains why I could ad so many programs without going into swap over the top of idle even though idle had almost nothing free)
03:09<Eulex>no, it's never turned off. but if there's no free memory, it can't cache anything.
03:10<weasel>it might decide to swap out crap that's never used tho
03:10<Eulex>and cached memory is automatically recycled when apps need memory
03:10<weasel>like gettys
03:10|-|berto [~berto@fanzine.igalia.com] has joined #debian
03:10<Requiem>Ah, so this is basically all non consumed memory
03:11<Requiem>I can live with that
03:11<Eulex>well, potentially, if the kernel has found enough stuff to cache yet.
03:12|-|nurdys [~nurdys@bft33-1-88-168-253-54.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
03:12<Requiem>The kernel has had a day or so to find stuff to cache
03:13<Requiem>which is why I thought leak, memory consumption kept getting bigger
03:13|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.51.25] has joined #debian
03:15<harpal>have enabled net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding = 1 in sysctl.conf and then I have run sysctl -p but I dont have 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
03:15|-|Gromitt [~palic@outer-core.ifg.uni-kiel.de] has joined #debian
03:16|-|ChanOp [Coder@deserve.MSLinux.Net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:16|-|Gromitt [~palic@outer-core.ifg.uni-kiel.de] has quit []
03:16|-|Gromitt [~palic@outer-core.ifg.uni-kiel.de] has joined #debian
03:16<Requiem>hrm
03:16<Greg>how do i list my processes
03:17<Eulex>harpal, what kernel?
03:17<Requiem>yeah, everything adds up now
03:17<Requiem>KDE is getting even more bloated too...
03:17|-|Eulex [~alex@85.235.5.6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
03:17|-|Eulex [~alex@85.235.5.2] has joined #debian
03:17<Eulex>woopsie
03:17<weasel>harpal: .conf.?
03:17|-|Guinea_pig [~SB@df01t2-212-195-48-147.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #debian
03:18|-|_ChanOp [Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:18<weasel>harpal: .default.?
03:18|-|noflash [noflash@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:18|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host48-250-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
03:18<weasel>harpal: what's wrong with net.ipv4.ip_forward?
03:18<Eulex>harpal, never mind.
03:18<harpal>Eulex: I have installed Debian4.0 I have kernel 2.6.18-4-686
03:18<nubbun>Requiem, I think that kde4 will be less so because of changes to qt4
03:19<harpal>in debian 4.0 they have listed that to enable forwarding enable this line so I have enable
03:19<harpal>in sysctl.conf file
03:19|-|e-t172 [e-t172@193.91.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #debian
03:19|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host48-250-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
03:20<weasel>harpal: that probably only applies to new interfaces then, or something
03:20<weasel>just echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and be done with it
03:21<harpal>ok than I can change it to net.ipv4.ip_forwarding in sysctl.conf
03:22<harpal>weasel: if we write the thing net.ipv4.ip_forwarding=1 and run command sysctl -p than it automatically do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
03:22|-|schoinobates [~lmamane@capsaicin.mamane.lu] has joined #debian
03:24|-|foolano [~magnetic@87.Red-83-42-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
03:24|-|icanic [~icanic@83-131-158-171.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #debian
03:26|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:27|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has joined #debian
03:29|-|Tuplad [~Tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
03:30<seanius>is it ip_forwarding or ip_forward?
03:31<seanius>in the sysctl.conf i have handy (not on a debian system but i can't imagine that its different) i see a net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
03:32|-|iblicf [~iblicf@125.34.27.104] has joined #debian
03:34|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host48-250-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
03:35|-|philippe [~fille@a91-153-17-113.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:35|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:36|-|geng [~KWeRe@125.163.203.139] has joined #debian
03:36|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host48-250-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
03:37|-|geng [~KWeRe@125.163.203.139] has quit []
03:37|-|J1G [~J1G@host235-114-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
03:37|-|Kebianizao [~RaulSSile@176.10.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #debian
03:38|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host48-250-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
03:38|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host48-250-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
03:39<Greg>how do i list my processes by id
03:39|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host48-250-dynamic.12-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
03:40|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-143-40.cust.tele2.de] has quit [Quit: will return. Thanks to those who gave advice.]
03:41|-|xuwei [xuwei@222.85.71.212] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
03:41<Kebianizao>ps aux | sort -n -k1
03:41<Kebianizao>I think
03:44|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host69-3-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
03:45|-|linac [~lin@216.80.76.222.broad.fz.fj.dynamic.163data.com.cn] has joined #debian
03:45|-|nareshov [~nareshov@220.225.2.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:45|-|philippe [~fille@a91-153-17-113.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
03:47<Metalqga>Greg hi
03:48<Metalqga>i see you managed to install debian
03:49<Greg>yes!
03:49<Kebianizao>Hello
03:49<Greg>its crazy
03:49<Metalqga>so happy for you
03:49<Greg>hehe
03:49<Metalqga>how do you find it?
03:49<Greg>goodbye-microsoft.com
03:49<Metalqga>i mean do you like it
03:49<Greg>oh
03:50<Kebianizao>I can't see the text on the winecfg config dialog, the fonts behaves weirdly, it appear and disappear on every action
03:50<Greg>in ways i do.. i don't like things not working
03:50<Greg>i always have to go get packages hehe
03:50<Greg>and the resolution is really big and from like 20 years ago
03:50<Greg>i changed the theme so it looks a little better but still..
03:51<Kebianizao>for example if I change tab I can't see any text, but surprisingly if I do a screenshot text do appear
03:51|-|vastinfest [~vastinfes@193.219.74.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:51|-|paulcager [~paul@cpc4-stok8-0-0-cust535.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
03:51|-|paulcager [~paul@cpc4-stok8-0-0-cust535.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has left #debian []
03:51<Greg>well damn its 4am again
03:56<blarson>Greg: That happens every day. But not today for a little over 2 hours.
03:57|-|padski [~padski@ip-81-1-123-22.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #debian
03:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
04:00|-|dxiao [~dxiao@221.233.81.252] has joined #debian
04:02|-|Kalessin [~Kalessin@did75-3-82-66-148-158.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:03<Kebianizao>I'll ask upstreams, I wait they don't despiss me again for using the debian packages :/
04:04|-|noflash [noflash@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee] has joined #debian
04:04|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Seeing my great fault/ Through darkening blue windows/ I begin again]
04:06|-|joesph-x [~joesph@p508163EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
04:07|-|steven [~steven@d54C3F581.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
04:07|-|Kalessin [~Kalessin@did75-3-82-66-148-158.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
04:08|-|PuToReGuiLa [~helder@87-196-95-193.net.novis.pt] has joined #debian
04:08|-|steven [~steven@d54C3F581.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
04:08|-|linac [~lin@216.80.76.222.broad.fz.fj.dynamic.163data.com.cn] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:09|-|GutterPunk [~steven@d54C3F581.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
04:10|-|matth_ [matth@blino.org] has joined #debian
04:10|-|GutterPunk [~steven@d54C3F581.access.telenet.be] has quit []
04:10|-|EatMoreAltoids [~nik@hogwarts.lifeafterking.org] has joined #debian
04:10|-|Zacariaz [~felix@hancock.amagerkollegiet.dk] has joined #debian
04:11|-|EatMoreAltoids changed nick to altoid
04:11|-|GutterPunk [~steven@d54C3F581.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
04:13|-|jhonny5 [jhonny5@53.Red-213-97-251.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
04:13|-|tycale [~tycale@30.143-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #debian
04:14|-|alionka [~alionka@94.pool85-55-42.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #debian
04:15|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.51.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:16|-|linac [~lin@216.80.76.222.broad.fz.fj.dynamic.163data.com.cn] has joined #debian
04:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 301] by debhelper
04:19|-|knoppix_ [~knoppix@63.161.232.193] has joined #debian
04:19|-|knoppix_ [~knoppix@63.161.232.193] has quit []
04:24|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-33-230-59.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:24|-|Gregory [~greg@68.113.105.136] has joined #debian
04:24|-|varogami [~varogami@83.224.187.153] has joined #debian
04:25|-|juBot [~wise@host-69-59-110-210.nctv.com] has joined #debian
04:26|-|varogami [~varogami@83.224.187.153] has left #debian []
04:28<Nemoder>Is there a Linux Standards Base guideline for launching the default web browser from an application?
04:28<WildOS>Anyone heard ld-new ?
04:28<WildOS>Anyone heard about ld-new ?
04:29|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-140-67.cust.tele2.de] has joined #debian
04:30<nubbun>blarson,weasel: With your help, I got a step closer. Debian install booted via tftp.
04:30|-|nOp [~xxxx@bas33-1-82-66-7-9.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:30|-|juBot_ [~wise@host-69-59-110-210.nctv.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:31|-|nOp [~xxxx@bas33-1-82-66-7-9.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
04:31<nubbun>blarson,weasel: Now it wants a debian mirror. I can get it to ask for a mirror directory, but I don't see my scsi DVD device to mount it.
04:32|-|Gregory [~greg@68.113.105.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:33|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.71.161] has joined #debian
04:34|-|icwiener [~fs@e177178069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
04:34|-|tolecnal [~tolecnal@158.80-203-128.nextgentel.com] has joined #debian
04:35<nubbun>If there is no other way, I can set up a debian server to install from. How would the server need to be set up? Is that described somewhere?
04:36|-|schoinobates [~lmamane@capsaicin.mamane.lu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:36[~]iblicf ...
04:36<iblicf>hello
04:37|-|Blaheva [~blaheva@216.117.134.180] has joined #debian
04:38[~]iblicf ?
04:38|-|schoinobates [~lmamane@2001:888:19f0:2:2e0:81ff:fe54:abf9] has joined #debian
04:38<Nemoder>nubbun: maybe you need apt-proxy? not sure what you are doing
04:39<nubbun>nemoder, I'm doing a new install.
04:39<nubbun>nemoder, the installer is asking for a debian mirror.
04:39<nubbun>I have a DVD.
04:39<nubbun>I did a netboot because the DVD was not booting.
04:40<weasel>is there a reason why you don't want to use a mirror?
04:41<Nemoder>yea, I'd use a proxy, at least to get the base packages far enough along to get drivers for the dvd working
04:41|-|asma [~asma@202.38.48.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:42<nubbun>nemoder, my server is an x86 w/SUSE10.2 Where do I get the right proxy for that? Oh, do you mean an Internet proxy?
04:43<nubbun>Internet is out of the question. Too slow and expensive to install.
04:43<Nemoder>there's a program called apt-proxy, maybe it is only for debian though
04:43<Nemoder>but with it you can import files from a dvd
04:43<Nemoder>and then it acts as a server
04:44<nubbun>Nemoder, Where do I get it? It may work if I compile it from source.
04:44<nubbun>Would source be on the DVD?
04:44<Nemoder>could be
04:45|-|jhonny5 [jhonny5@53.Red-213-97-251.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
04:45<Nemoder>it's in the admin section if that helps
04:45<Nemoder>not sure how dvds are laid out, I've always used net installer
04:46|-|miksuh_ [~miksuh@a88-112-17-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
04:47|-|alionka [~alionka@94.pool85-55-42.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:47<nubbun>I don't see a source package
04:47<nubbun>on the DVD
04:48<weasel>you can always try mounting the dvd and exporting it via http
04:49<nubbun>I can do that.
04:49|-|Eulex [~alex@85.235.5.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
04:50|-|Eulex [~alex@85.235.5.12] has joined #debian
04:52|-|m0 [~jerem@AMarseille-157-1-143-167.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
04:52|-|m0 [~jerem@AMarseille-157-1-143-167.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit []
04:54|-|miksuh_ [~miksuh@a88-112-17-94.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:55|-|Gregory [~greg@68.113.105.136] has joined #debian
04:55|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
04:56<nubbun>weasel , Thanks! bye.
04:58|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has left #debian []
04:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
05:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
05:00|-|lukasz [~lukasz@ivy.cirrus.pl] has joined #debian
05:00|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
05:02|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:03|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
05:03|-|chc [~chc@83.230.233.106] has joined #debian
05:04|-|mrtrex [~mrtrex@82.78.82.29] has joined #debian
05:06|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:06|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-140-67.cust.tele2.de] has quit [Quit: See you soon!]
05:07|-|chc [~chc@83.230.233.106] has quit []
05:07|-|Zacariaz [~felix@hancock.amagerkollegiet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:09|-|marko [marko@c-323c71d5.017-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar]
05:11|-|streuner [~streuner@p54A5CB59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
05:12|-|Kebianizao [~RaulSSile@176.10.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #debian [Swirl my soul...]
05:14[~]piozzo bye
05:14|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host69-3-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
05:18|-|Aleksej [~Aleksej@89-178-156-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #debian
05:18<Aleksej>hi
05:19<Aleksej>Sometimes (and now) I accidentally "Forget new packages" in aptitude. How do I see what's been added to "testing" recently?
05:21|-|Blaheva [~blaheva@216.117.134.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:22|-|Blaheva [~blaheva@216.117.134.180] has joined #debian
05:26|-|netriver [~netriver@41.221.18.136] has joined #debian
05:29|-|M0ffe [~moffe@smaug.amagerkollegiet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:31|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.71.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:31|-|si0ux [~si0ux@201-048-208-161.static.ctbctelecom.com.br] has joined #debian
05:32|-|netriver [~netriver@41.221.18.136] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
05:32|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
05:34|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:34|-|kzar [~kzar@194.74.159.82] has joined #debian
05:35|-|Blaheva [~blaheva@216.117.134.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:35|-|Blaheva [~blaheva@216.117.134.180] has joined #debian
05:36<Aleksej>bye
05:37|-|Aleksej [~Aleksej@89-178-156-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has left #debian [rebooting]
05:37<kzar>I am trying to get an old kernel working on my system. I compiled and boot it fine except one problem, usb keyboard and mouse doesn't work. On boot udev complains the kernel is too old. Should I maybe uninstall udev and use somthing older but I don't know the old way of doing it?
05:39<padski>kzar: before udev was devfs
05:39|-|Blaheva [~blaheva@216.117.134.180] has quit []
05:39<padski>kzar: what kernel version ?
05:39<kzar>2.6.11
05:39<padski>debian ?
05:39<kzar>padski: No just a normal copy
05:40<padski>kzar: huh ?
05:40<padski>kzar: ah! you mean vanilla upstream linus kernel
05:40<kzar>padski: Oh well if you meen which version debian I am running stable aka etch
05:40|-|joesph-x [~joesph@p508163EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
05:40|-|turnschuh [~manu@p54885723.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
05:41<padski>kzar: out of interest, why do you want to run such an old kernel ?
05:41<kzar>padski: Because the raid card driver I have to install needs it :(
05:41<kzar>padski: I did apt-get install devfs and no luck, is it part of anoher package maybe?
05:42<padski>kzar: I'm not sure at which version the changeover took place.
05:42<padski>kzar: there was (is?) a separate usb device fileystem at one point
05:43<padski>kzar: can you not use a serial mouse :-)
05:43<kzar>padski: I might be being stupid but why do I need a filesystem for a usb keyboard?
05:43<kzar>padski: I can but I would rather get it sorted
05:43<padski>kzar: device nodes exist in the filesystem. you can just mknod them, but usb is rather dynamic
05:44|-|Piet [~piet@tor.noreply.org] has joined #debian
05:44<kzar>padski: Hmm I guess I will try putting the kernel in 2.6.15 hopefully it might be old enough for the driver
05:44<padski>kzar: If it's a raid card, then I take it to be a server. if it has the sockets I would use the ps/2 connectors
05:44|-|Rizzer [~Rizzer@pug.anu.edu.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
05:45<kzar>padski: it does have the sockets but its possible they might want to use a usb pen drive on it or somthing
05:45<kzar>padski: They are all quite anti-linux and if usb doesn't work they will moan and go on about it
05:45<petemc>have you looked into getting the card working with a recent kernel
05:45<kzar>padski: If it was my server I would do the same
05:45<kzar>petemc: Yea but its a bit of an arse
05:45<padski>kzar: yeah, depending on what you are doing, you might want to ask yourself whether this raid cardx is worth the bother. it surely has to be scheaper to buy a good one than maintain a 2.6.11 kernel fork
05:46<petemc>kzar: doesnt sound more of an arse than what you're doing?
05:46<kzar>petemc: Well we did try but it prooved difficult: http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Distributions/Debian/Q__22589888.html?qid=22589888
05:46<petemc>ignore experts-exchange
05:47<kzar>padski: I think your right but I kinda just want to get this working for now
05:47<petemc>it would be nice to have that site removed from google results
05:47<padski>yes, please don't encourage experts-exchange :-)
05:47<petemc>dont?
05:47<petemc>its shite
05:47<petemc>experts my ass
05:48|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.40.18] has joined #debian
05:48<padski>petemc: any idea how to tell a devfs kernel from a udev kernel ? (aside from the options you chose when you compiled it :-)
05:48<kzar>OK well the guy that helped me was pretty good to be fair, like I say I wouldn't use this raid card, care about USB or use experts echange iit where my choice but I am at work and I don't have a choice
05:48|-|d0rt [~ni@69.37.69.113] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
05:48|-|manphiz [dxy@218.244.247.198] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
05:48<petemc>padski: not sure
05:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 295] by debhelper
05:49<petemc>its all a bit over my head, but i am sure that using a 2.6.11 kernel with some bogey manufacturers driver isnt going to end well
05:49<padski>kzar: I reckon you must see a devfs or udev related option when your are building this kernel
05:49|-|Optical [~dlz@58.37.2.14] has joined #debian
05:50<padski>petemc: we have offered that sort of advice, it isn't playing well. I am willing to try to help solve the simple usb problem.
05:50|-|meandtheshell [~markus@85.127.105.177] has joined #debian
05:50<kzar>padski: I will have another bash at hacking the driver to play ball with the kernel but its kinda over my head a bit
05:50<kzar>padski: I did a fair bit of C a while ago but never kernel / driver stuff
05:51<padski>kzar: do the upstream not support a more recent version ?
05:51<padski>kzar: top tip: don;t printk in interupt context
05:51<padski>took me days to figure that one out :-)
05:51<kzar>padski: What do you meen by that?
05:52<padski>kzar: it was a long time ago ...
05:53<padski>kzar from what I recall, different code executes in different contexts. you can printk from some driver code just fine. interrupt context (from what I recall) you should basically do what you came to do and get out quick, printk is no-no.
05:54<padski>although a quick google suggests this is wrong ... :-(
05:55|-|oddtod [~chump@72.168.46.22] has joined #debian
05:55<oddtod>hey guys
05:55|-|meandtheshell [~markus@85.127.105.177] has left #debian [Leaving.]
05:56|-|M0ffe [~moffe@smaug.amagerkollegiet.dk] has joined #debian
05:56|-|elbow [~elbow@acgl130.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
05:57|-|elbow [~elbow@acgl130.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit []
05:57<kzar>OK I just checked and we might be able to get a new raid card because rewriting drivers is pretty heavy (phew!) how can I find one that is definately going to work nicely? I don't want to get another dud
05:57|-|mrtrex [~mrtrex@82.78.82.29] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
05:58|-|laniz [~squirrel@fe-0-3-0.cr1.sfo1.xzibition.com] has joined #debian
05:58|-|juBot [~wise@host-69-59-110-210.nctv.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:59|-|bcochofel [~bcochofel@adonis.iportalmais.pt] has joined #debian
05:59<padski>kzar: if you were buying a server from a vendor (like say dell, hp, etc) then you would generally go to them for the card and the OS. otherwise I suggest you ask where you plan on going for support if it goes wrong :-)
05:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
05:59<oddtod>kzar what kind of raid are you setting up?
06:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
06:00|-|visik7 [~dksakd@aruba-122-211.aruba.unimo.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:00|-|ascii [~ascii@ALagny-151-1-28-203.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
06:00<kzar>padski: Its a pretty basic one currently although we might add to it later. Its just a mirror with two hard drives. In the future we might want to add more hard drives
06:00|-|codecaine [~codecaine@cpe-69-23-245-150.sw.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
06:00<kzar>oops I ment to say oddtod: not padaski
06:01<oddtod>kzar why not just go with software raid?
06:01<codecaine>hey anybody having trouble using ktorrent its not download anything anymore for some reason
06:01<padski>kzar: ISTR alan cox recommending 3ware ... trying to find a quote
06:01<petemc>or use software raid
06:02|-|fgh [~vreten@nacka.melonite.nu] has joined #debian
06:02<oddtod>yeah software raid if your run software raid one and have hardware raid 0 on one of the drives in my opinion would be the best way of doing it
06:02<padski>kzar: http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=127776&cid=10675330
06:02<oddtod>although i don't think the hardware raid 0 is even needed
06:03<fgh>is there any file that may be telling info about whats the name/sort of my motherboard?
06:03<padski>kzar: I believe that is the real AC :-)
06:04<padski>kzar: I've heard there is a real case for soft-raid. hardware raid can sometimes be outpaced.
06:05|-|Hessophanes [~jcn@dslb-088-073-022-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
06:05|-|dpkg [~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: buh bye!]
06:05|-|dpkg [~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu] has joined #debian
06:05<kzar>So software raid would just be plugging the hard drives straight into the motherboard and getting linux to pretend its a raid?
06:06<oddtod>not so much pretending
06:06<padski>kzar: guess it depends what you want. with high-end hardware raid you get a large battery backed cache and offload a fair bit of work to the card.
06:06<oddtod>it just does the raid on in memory
06:06<padski>kzar: man mdadm
06:07|-|mjk [~mjk@p54AC76C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:07|-|bcochofel [~bcochofel@adonis.iportalmais.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:07<oddtod>how much access do they see every day kzar?
06:07<padski>kzar: with hardware raid you do need to consider scenarios like controller failure, since deifferent controllers generally tend to have different on-disk formats
06:07|-|ascii_ [~ascii@ALagny-151-1-101-40.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
06:07|-|bcochofel [~bcochofel@adonis.iportalmais.pt] has joined #debian
06:08<oddtod>fgh: hwinfo try that command
06:08|-|kernel32 [kernel32@des67-1-82-231-81-39.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
06:08|-|KERNEL_ERROR [kernel32@des67-1-82-231-81-39.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
06:08|-|ascii [~ascii@ALagny-151-1-28-203.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:08<oddtod>fgh: you might have to install it
06:08|-|kernel32 [kernel32@des67-1-82-231-81-39.fbx.proxad.net] has quit []
06:08|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.40.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:08|-|KERNEL_ERROR [kernel32@des67-1-82-231-81-39.fbx.proxad.net] has quit []
06:08<kzar>oddtod: Well it will be used for customer backups of maybe 10gig each. The server will sit idle most of the time but sometimes have to suddenly recieve/share a backup
06:09<padski>kzar: and the balancing quote to the recommendation, again AC: "take recommendations and don't believe in brand names"
06:10<oddtod>yeah software is the way i would go in my opinion for raid one i wouldn't buy some amazing card either i mean you don't need to go crazy
06:10|-|astral [~astral@p54935665.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:10<oddtod>if you were running raid 5 i might go with a hardware raid
06:10<oddtod>but even then software is a powerful tool
06:10|-|KERNEL_3RROR [kernel32@des67-1-82-231-81-39.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
06:11|-|KERNEL_3RROR [kernel32@des67-1-82-231-81-39.fbx.proxad.net] has quit []
06:11<padski>kzar: sudden is an interesting word to use when you are talking about 10GB. I would hazard a guess that the bottleneck will be the network (or cpu) but not the disk subsystem.
06:11<kzar>padski: true
06:12<kzar>padski: Speed is fairly important but reliability is the main thing
06:12|-|brislingf [~brislingf@87.61.38.237] has joined #debian
06:12|-|codecaine [~codecaine@cpe-69-23-245-150.sw.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:12<brislingf>how do i change a user password when i have root access
06:13|-|nareshov [~nareshov@220.225.2.107] has joined #debian
06:13<padski>kzar: figure out what scenarios you have to cover and plan for those contingencies. evolve your machine design with those plans.
06:13<oddtod>brislingf: passwd
06:13<oddtod>passwd then the user
06:13<brislingf>what if the user has forgot the current passwd ?
06:13<oddtod>you're root
06:14<brislingf>yes
06:14<oddtod>you don't need their password
06:14<brislingf>its asking for current password
06:14<oddtod>just ran the command on my machine
06:14<oddtod>as root
06:14<padski>kzar: managing the various hardware failure risks will likely exercise you more than any software problems.
06:14|-|hamish [~hamish@taihua.otago.ac.nz] has joined #debian
06:14<oddtod>what distro are you running brislingf?
06:15<kzar>padski: Say the thing is though if we want to add a load more hard drives later and we go with software raid now surely I will hit the limits of what the motherboard can support?
06:15|-|mjk [~mjk@p54AC76C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
06:15|-|juBot [~wise@host-69-59-110-210.nctv.com] has joined #debian
06:15<kzar>padski: Maybe if I got one of those 3Way cards it could handle more hard drives if we needed to add more later on?
06:15<oddtod>kzar: a basic promise land card runs on stock drivers
06:15<brislingf>ohh my mistake thx for the help
06:16<oddtod>np
06:17<oddtod>kzar: i have a Silicon Image, Inc. PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Controller and it ran from the get go no need to install anything
06:17<oddtod>kzar: it just worked
06:18<padski>kzar: every machine has a limit to its upgradeability. In my experience a lot of room to grow provisioning is a false economny (or at least I'm skeptical). I would be more oportunistic about it: make the evaluation when you have the info (or do what you can now with the info you have now).
06:18<hamish>Just upgraded to Etch; 2.14's Gnome-panel dictionary applet no longer provides any spell check functionality beyond "Error while looking up definition" if the spelling was wrong. I am lost without an easy spell checker! Any ideas how to get one back? Is there an equivalent KDE-panel applet?
06:18<padski>oddtod: that SII card, that bios raid ?
06:18|-|HazardX2 [~hazard@pool-71-248-190-192.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
06:18|-|astral [~astral@p54935665.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
06:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 304] by debhelper
06:19<WildOS>Where can I find info about making a cross compiler that runs under windows and makes debian executables? I've found the following guide http://www.thrashmaster.com/developer/crossgcc.htm but It failed badly when building the toolchain...
06:19|-|adb [~the_adb@124-170-227-106.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
06:19<oddtod>i don't know haven't ran it that way
06:19<WildOS>using mingw
06:19|-|morpheus [~morpheus@195.224.109.78] has joined #debian
06:19<oddtod>padski: i'm running it software raid 1 hardware raid 0
06:19|-|morpheus [~morpheus@195.224.109.78] has quit []
06:20<oddtod>padski: i just needed to add drives let me look into it though
06:20<padski>oddtod: interesting setup. why not just do them both in software ?
06:20<oddtod>speed
06:21<padski>oddtod: it makes that much difference ?
06:21|-|streuner [~streuner@p54A5CB59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
06:21<oddtod>padski: not at all i had the card laying around but now with 6 drives in the computer theres no way i could do it with just the mobo in there
06:21|-|dxiao [~dxiao@221.233.81.252] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:22<padski>oddtod: need big psu :-)
06:22|-|schoinobates [~lmamane@2001:888:19f0:2:2e0:81ff:fe54:abf9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:22|-|schoinobates [~lmamane@capsaicin.mamane.lu] has joined #debian
06:23<oddtod>padski: i think its like a 450 i definitly need to do some upgrading for it but the drives are all the machine runs
06:23|-|manphiz [dxy@218.244.247.198] has joined #debian
06:23<oddtod>padski: last i checked right around 2 teras
06:23|-|vnode [~oberon@f048244189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:24<oddtod>passki: not usable n - 1
06:24|-|nil [0c625cc4fb@pepin.poivron.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:24<kzar>oddtod: The raid card you mentioned, is it still available to buy? I googled and didn't find much
06:25|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has joined #debian
06:25|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has left #debian []
06:26<padski>oddtod: I have a box with 6 disks. pushed the PSU a little to far. it became unstable, would crash once every couple of weeks or so. took me far too long to figure it out. I tell myself its like booze: it's not the label on the bottle that'll give you the hangover ;-) (whenever I shoot myself in the foot with a homebrew project :-)
06:26|-|Xenguy [~gnu@206-248-151-3.dsl.ncf.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving]
06:26|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.19.139] has joined #debian
06:27|-|waa [~waa@220112.static.ctb.virtua.com.br] has joined #debian
06:28|-|dani [~dani@204.pool85-58-58.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #debian
06:28|-|nil [fa472dc2c2@pepin.poivron.org] has joined #debian
06:28<oddtod>padski: yeah i really need to get a new box for it haha its like 400mhz p2 with like 256 megs of ram and just a bunch of disks stacked on that. haha sucks for actually processing stuff, like i let it do the work load for when i need to size images with imagemagick and it takes hours to finish batches of images HAHA
06:28|-|iblicf [~iblicf@125.34.27.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:28|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-142-244.cust.tele2.de] has joined #debian
06:28<oddtod>reading an article right now on a guy that was practicing dentistry for 29 years with out a license
06:30<padski>oddtod: how did he get caught in the end ?
06:30|-|nareshov [~nareshov@220.225.2.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:31|-|icanic [~icanic@83-131-158-171.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:32<oddtod>someone just reported him he must have botched a job
06:32<oddtod>http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2007-08-15T165327Z_01_KLR10695_RTRUKOC_0_US-MALAYSIA-DENTIST.xml
06:33|-|junio [~junio@201.47.177.3.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #debian
06:34|-|linac [~lin@216.80.76.222.broad.fz.fj.dynamic.163data.com.cn] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:35<padski>what it must be like to have stock photography of person in dentist cahir at your fingertips ;-)
06:37|-|makke [~makke@80.145.74.176] has joined #debian
06:39|-|iblicf [~iblicf@125.34.28.235] has joined #debian
06:40<oddtod>hah
06:40|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.19.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:41<oddtod>padski: you in the industry or just hobbist?
06:42|-|Susi [~55b0f484@e176244132.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
06:42<padski>oddtod: industry, for my sins. yourself ?
06:42|-|midget [~midget@167.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
06:43|-|Susi [~55b0f484@e176244132.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)]
06:44<oddtod>yeah i'm in the industry sorta get my degree at the end of the year right now just in kinda llama IT job just trying to get experience to couple wiht my degree so i can make some real money
06:44|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has joined #debian
06:45<oddtod>well its 5 AM here i better go to bed so i can wake up at 12 i hae school
06:46<oddtod>haha have a good night / day / life
06:47|-|bl4de [~ritter@p549CA328.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: /* no comment */]
06:48<padski>oddtod: you too :-)
06:48|-|midget [~midget@167.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
06:51|-|tony [tony@104.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
06:52|-|asma [~asma@202.38.48.177] has joined #debian
06:52|-|Covener [~Eric@cpe-065-190-157-078.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
06:53<tony>where do i add the line " UserDir public_html " to enable user directories for apache2 (etch)? is it in "/etc/apache2/sites-available/default" ?
06:53|-|Alex00 [~BSD@82.79.132.103] has joined #debian
06:53<kzar>OK thanks for the raid advice everyone I think I am going to go with mdadm because it loos pretty easy and is cheap. I don't think we really need anything else if its not too much slower for Raid0
06:54<Alex00>hei i need some help
06:54|-|deepak [~deepak@210.211.198.135] has joined #debian
06:55<Alex00>how can i install form internet debian netinst if i have a pppoe connection
06:55<Alex00>?
06:55|-|streuner_ [~streuner@p54A5E588.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
06:55<padski>kzar: raid 0 ???
06:55<gsimmons>tony: You don't. Use "a2enmod userdir" instead.
06:55<padski>kzar: though you siad you were after reliability ?
06:56|-|madroach [madroach.d@p5B118608.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
06:56<tony>gsimons: is this a deb to be installed with apt-get?
06:56<Alex00>can help me someone ?
06:57<tony>gsimons: sorry, i saw it, a command
06:57|-|armi65 [~paulus@80.64.152.164] has joined #debian
06:57|-|Dirac [~Dirac@kssl-4db5382a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #debian
06:57|-|korny [~korny@ppp-62-245-210-220.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #debian
06:57<korny>hi
06:58|-|armi65 [~paulus@80.64.152.164] has quit []
06:58|-|Dirac [~Dirac@kssl-4db5382a.pool.einsundeins.de] has left #debian []
06:58|-|hevi [~hevi@ti531895.pc.lut.fi] has joined #debian
06:58|-|Alex00 [~BSD@82.79.132.103] has left #debian []
06:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 314] by debhelper
06:59|-|hevi [~hevi@ti531895.pc.lut.fi] has quit []
06:59<kzar>padski: Raid 0 is mirrored right?
06:59<weasel>wrong
06:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:59<weasel>but thanks for playing
07:00|-|cow_mio [~mydokumen@125.163.202.238] has joined #debian
07:00<tony>gsimons: thanks a lot, don't know how i missed the existence of a2enmod before
07:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
07:00<padski>kzar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
07:00<kzar>oh sorry I ment mirrored, I am new to raids as you can see
07:00<kzar>only one way to learn though
07:00<kneet>weasel: do players get a prize?
07:00|-|cow_mio [~mydokumen@125.163.202.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:00<weasel>no
07:00<padski>kzar: indeed it is, and sociably is nice way to do so :-)
07:00<padski>kzar: good luck with your project
07:01<kzar>padski: cool thanks :)
07:02|-|iblicf_ [~iblicf@125.34.31.114] has joined #debian
07:02|-|streuner [~streuner@p54A5CB59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:02<gsimmons>tony: np. There's similar commands for enabling/disabling your website configurations (a2ensite/a2dissite) as well. They're handy for managing virtual hosts.
07:03<tony>gsimons: thanks a lot. holy smokes, sounds good
07:04|-|iblicf [~iblicf@125.34.28.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:04<kzar>I have one more question actually. Supposing I have two hard drives in a software mirrored raid and I want to add two more hard drives. Would it be possible to tack the extra drives on the end so they are mounted to the same point?
07:04|-|makke [~makke@80.145.74.176] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:04<ranix>kzar: man md has all that and more, news at 11
07:05|-|Inv_ [~alinh@89.35.26.189.sta.lgnet.ro] has joined #debian
07:05<kzar>ranix: Cool ok thanks
07:05|-|Inv_ [~alinh@89.35.26.189.sta.lgnet.ro] has left #debian []
07:06|-|madroach [madroach.d@p5B118608.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:07<ranix>kzar: four raid 1 drives is approaching rediculous
07:07<ranix>ri
07:07|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-142-244.cust.tele2.de] has quit []
07:07<ranix>kzar: you would want some raid 5 probably
07:08<weasel>or raid 10
07:08|-|johnh [~johnh@rrcs-71-41-80-18.se.biz.rr.com] has joined #debian
07:08|-|johnh [~johnh@rrcs-71-41-80-18.se.biz.rr.com] has quit []
07:08|-|vnode [~oberon@f048244189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
07:09<padski>kzar: for a backup server, I would think you'll want to go to something like raid5 after 2 drives
07:09<kzar>Supposing I went for raid1 on two drives now could I add two drives and switch to raid5 easily?
07:09|-|Guinea_pig [~SB@df01t2-212-195-48-147.d4.club-internet.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
07:10|-|tony [tony@104.48.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:10|-|tjol [someone@pD9E30C03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
07:10|-|dani [~dani@204.pool85-58-58.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
07:10|-|vnode [~oberon@f048244189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit []
07:11<Berge>kzar: No, you can't reorganise a RAID1 to RAID5.
07:11<padski>kzar: I think it could be done, depending on workload. one possiblity: start up the new two as a raid5 system (perhaps a three disk st degraded), and transfer your existing data onto that, then your other two disks are free and you can add them into your raid.
07:16<padski>kzar: bear in mind that there would be a period while you rebuild that degraded array when you are a little short on redundancy :-)
07:16|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.63.127] has joined #debian
07:16<Berge>padski: With a RAID5 degraded, you don't have much redundancy (-: But else, good idea.
07:16<padski>kzar: there are systems that will do going from a three disk raid5 to a four disk raid5. you'll need to check that yours supports this.
07:16|-|kiosk [~kiosk@host226-169-static.58-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
07:16|-|kiosk [~kiosk@host226-169-static.58-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:16<padski>Berge: yes, as I point out there is a risk there.
07:16<Berge>There's code in Linux to expand RAID5 over more devices.
07:16<Berge>padski: mm
07:16<padski>Berge: it's a backup server
07:16<Berge>padski: Good point.
07:16|-|bl4de [~ritter@p549CA328.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
07:16|-|repair-man [~unreel@c-68-54-175-53.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has left #debian []
07:16|-|dutche [~dutche@200.169.133.98] has joined #debian
07:16<padski>Berge: so cost-benefit would be something like, what are the odds of it going tits up in those 24 hours versus the cost of making all the backups again plus the risk of not having the backup while that is done.
07:16|-|paistis [~Paistis@a88-113-121-73.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
07:16<Berge>padski: Depends if you're taking Murphy into account (-; But yes, there's a low risk.
07:16<padski>kzar: it would be safer to buy a fifth disk and not have that gap. small price to pay :-)
07:16|-|rickysarraf [~Rickyx@202.3.112.4] has left #debian [Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org]
07:17|-|d0rt [~ni@d210h64.public.simons-rock.edu] has joined #debian
07:17|-|rickysarraf [~Rickyx@202.3.112.4] has joined #debian
07:17<Berge>padski: I've had a disk fail in a main storage server at the same time as a controller died in the backup server, though (-:
07:17|-|tjol_ [someone@pD9E31274.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:17<padski>kzar: probably worth bearing in mind that if a disk is damaged in transport it will likely fail quite soon after it enters service, if you put it straight into service. I have seen a whole raid of four disks do this :-)
07:17<ranix>raid 5 with dump/restore on DLT tape is what I do
07:18<ranix>it's unbeatable
07:18<WildOS>I have a script that runs a configure script as follows: configure --build=${build} --host=${host} The arguments --build and --host, is that special for configure scripts?
07:18<ranix>you can't get better than that no matter how much money you throw at the problem
07:18<padski>ranix: I have had so much pain with tape :-(
07:18<ranix>? where is there pain
07:18<Berge>ranix: Don't like tape, either.. But you could alwasy throw in more servers.
07:19<Berge>ranix: If money's no issue, that is (-:
07:19<padski>ranix: don't know that I've had much to do with DLT though, perhaps it just depends on the type. DAT tapes were nothing but pain.
07:19<ranix>Berge: off-site servers aren't always a feasible option
07:19<ranix>feasable
07:19<ranix>blargh
07:19<Berge>ranix: They are, if money's not an issue (-;
07:20<padski>Berge: when is money ever not an issue ;-)
07:20<ranix>Berge: not really. You can't get network connectivity in this part of the world that will get the speed one would need out of a fileserver
07:20<padski>Berge: and how do I get a job there ;-)
07:20|-|kart_ [~kart_@59.182.63.127] has quit [Quit: \|--|/]
07:21<Berge>padski: At my university, they're really good at throwing money at such problems, rather than wits..
07:21<Berge>padski: Just apply, we're in the need workforce (-;
07:21<Berge>ranix: What part of the world?
07:21<ranix>Berge: east coast USA
07:21<padski>ranix: how far are you guys talking about, what contingency are you traying to cover ? I knew a place once had a mainframe with two nodes 0.5km apart could run in lockstep. one end would keep going if the other end got bombed. simple: use two bombs :-)
07:22|-|Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@host81-159-107-218.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving]
07:22<Berge>ranix: ah
07:22<ranix>padski: well what I usually think about is intentional destruction of hardware by an employee and fire
07:23<ranix>padski: generally the former can be solved by locks and doors, and the latter by off-site tape backups
07:24|-|visik7 [~dksakd@aruba-122-211.aruba.unimo.it] has joined #debian
07:25|-|lukasz [~lukasz@ivy.cirrus.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:26<padski>ranix: agreed, off-site backup covers physical threats. fire & theft come to mind. problem with sabotage is how much an insider might know or have access to. off-site can be good against that too, but I would want to think about "silent corruption" too.
07:26|-|cyrus [cyrus@cyrus.iki.fi] has joined #debian
07:27|-|beren [beren@84.126.239.153.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
07:27|-|beren [beren@84.126.239.153.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #debian []
07:27|-|deepak [~deepak@210.211.198.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:27|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
07:27<WildOS>How come the variable, $ac_option, is not defined within my configuration script? Is it pre defined?
07:28<WildOS>With configuration scripts I mean the one packet with source code (e.g. gcc)
07:29<padski>WildOS: wild guess. $ac_option isn't the commanline options that you give to configure ?
07:30|-|Tuplad [~Tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be] has left #debian []
07:30|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit []
07:30|-|s0d0 [~john@host81-151-39-56.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
07:30|-|artur [~artur@88.204.157.129] has joined #debian
07:30<artur>hi all
07:30|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
07:31|-|nitiniu [~mirshafie@84-217-160-193.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #debian
07:31|-|mirshafie [~mirshafie@84-217-160-193.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
07:31|-|KERNEL_3RROR [kernel32@des67-1-82-231-81-39.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
07:31|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
07:31|-|KERNEL_3RROR [kernel32@des67-1-82-231-81-39.fbx.proxad.net] has quit []
07:31|-|smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #debian
07:32|-|deepak [~deepak@210.211.198.135] has joined #debian
07:32|-|Tuplad [~Tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
07:32|-|kzar [~kzar@194.74.159.82] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.]
07:33<deepak>msg nickserv identify @123
07:33|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:33<JasonS>why thank you deepak
07:34|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-145-6.cust.tele2.de] has joined #debian
07:34<deepak>JasonS, ??
07:34|-|hamish [~hamish@taihua.otago.ac.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:35<JasonS>09:33:12] <deepak> msg nickserv identify @123
07:35<deepak>JasonS, Worng typing ....teaching to my Bro?
07:35|-|BugReactor [~anton@202.3.217.1] has joined #debian
07:35<artur>anybody knows how to set up xkb in KDE?
07:36|-|cyrus [cyrus@cyrus.iki.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving]
07:36|-|GutterPunk [~steven@d54C3F581.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
07:36|-|deepak [~deepak@210.211.198.135] has left #debian [Leaving]
07:36|-|Stimulus_solutions [~jason@host86-130-17-74.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
07:38|-|asma [~asma@202.38.48.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:39|-|vastinfest [~vastinfes@193.219.74.98] has joined #debian
07:39|-|korny [~korny@ppp-62-245-210-220.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:41<WildOS>padski: when I try to echo $ac_option or ${ac_option} it prints nothing even though I added lots of parameters.. Why is this?
07:41|-|HazardX2 [~hazard@pool-71-248-190-192.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
07:42|-|artur [~artur@88.204.157.129] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
07:43|-|witte [~witte@kulnet-nat-2.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #debian
07:43|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
07:44<padski>WildOS: I'm sorry, I don't understand all that ac stuff :-(
07:44|-|deepak [~deepak@210.211.198.135] has joined #debian
07:45<padski>WildOS: there must be documentation for autoconf and freinds ?
07:45|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:45|-|Tuplad [~Tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:45|-|Frolic [~ederm@frolic.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
07:45|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:46|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has joined #debian
07:46|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
07:46<WildOS>padski: I thought configure scripts was just ordinary sh scripts, but it seems they are connected to some configure.in file and even the makefiles... Is this stuff something I should bother with? Is it common knowledge?
07:47|-|Wankus [~Wankus@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
07:47<padski>WildOS: its gnu autoconf, and it is in shell
07:47|-|tjol_ [someone@pD9E33E88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
07:48<padski>WildOS: some people curse it, some others say that it is better for packaging that a thousand hand-rolled systems all slightly different. me, no opinion.
07:48|-|BugReactor [~anton@202.3.217.1] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
07:48|-|ivax [~ivax@81.30.51.249] has joined #debian
07:49<WildOS>padski: okay, until I am going to make my own configure scripts I think I'll just think about it as something that is done automagically =)
07:49<padski>WildOS: apparently poor use of autoconf is all too common. but as a user of package using it all you should need to know is to read the README/INSTALL and follow the instructions :-)
07:49|-|geng [~KWeRe@125.163.203.139] has joined #debian
07:49<padski>WildOS: I;m comfortable with shell, but looking at autoconf files makes my eyes bleed ;-)
07:50|-|KWeRe [~KWeRe@125.163.203.139] has joined #debian
07:50|-|KWeRe [~KWeRe@125.163.203.139] has quit []
07:50<WildOS>padski: well, the thing is, I am editing a script that is responsible for running makefiles and configure scripts.. and there are lots of parameters in there which I have no clue how to change :(
07:50|-|geng [~KWeRe@125.163.203.139] has quit []
07:50<padski>WildOS: step back. why are you doing this ?
07:51<Metalqga>what is your favourite terminal based irc client? I'm currently experimenting with irssi
07:51<WildOS>padski: I am building a cross-compiler for a windows host system (mingw), and this script is supposed to help me with the work..
07:52<Wankus>A hardware problem here, I turned on my computer 5 minutes ago and a very loud noise like a pneumatic drill started coming from inside it (it was doing an fsck at the time). I turned it off thinking it was going to blow up. I've just turned it on now and the sound is gone. What might be the problem, is the harddrive going?
07:52<Metalqga>a fan
07:52<WildOS>Wankus: the cpu fan?
07:52|-|Stimulus_solutions [~jason@host86-130-17-74.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:52<WildOS>Changed mine several times
07:53|-|deepak [~deepak@210.211.198.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:53<WildOS>I've found it that it helps getting physical ;-)
07:53<Metalqga>if it's the hdd then you can test it by copying a >50mb folder (to put some stress)
07:53<Wankus>WildOS, is it supposed to be that really loud?
07:54<Wankus>Metalqga, I'll try that now, cheers
07:54<WildOS> Wankus: well, if it is, you should probably get a new one asp
07:54|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host145-6-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
07:54<WildOS>high frequency?
07:54|-|tjol [someone@pD9E30C03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:55[~]piozzo \o
07:55<WildOS>the noise I mean
07:55<witte>Wankus: open the box, and waitt until the noise returns,
07:55<witte>Wankus: then, Identify the device
07:55|-|linac [~lin@121.71.45.3] has joined #debian
07:55<Wankus>WildOS, no, it wasn't high frequency, it was like a loud car engine!
07:56<Wankus>scared the s***t out of me!
07:56<Metalqga>lol, a high frequency is most likely the PSU
07:56|-|ivax [~ivax@81.30.51.249] has quit [Quit: Ухожу]
07:56<Metalqga>open the case, claen some dust it's healthy
07:56<witte>Wankus: and if it is not dirty (often a case with fans), you most likely need to replace it
07:58|-|kneet [~chris@82.196.214.14] has quit [Quit: kneet]
07:58<WildOS>Wankus: but remember to shut it down first, and remove the power completely. My computer started burning a few years ago, when I tried to clean it using an air compressor ;-)
07:59<Wankus>witte, My Pc is very dusty actually, could be that.
07:59<Wankus>WildOS, Thanks for the tip :)
07:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
08:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
08:01|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has quit [Quit: leaving]
08:02|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has joined #debian
08:02<Metalqga>back to gui
08:03<padski>WildOS: windows is the build host, or the target ?
08:03<Wankus>Thanks for the advice guys, I;m going to open this one up to have a look.
08:04|-|Wankus [~Wankus@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
08:04<WildOS>padski: windows as host, debian as target (and build)
08:04<padski>WildOS: and this you idea of fun ?
08:04<padski>WildOS: ;-)
08:04|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
08:04|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:05|-|ascii_ [~ascii@ALagny-151-1-101-40.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:06<WildOS>padski: hehe.. I prefer working in debian, but some people like windows, and they should be allowed to stay in their familiar environment even when making embedded stuff :-)
08:06|-|bcochofel [~bcochofel@adonis.iportalmais.pt] has quit [Quit: leaving]
08:06|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-145-6.cust.tele2.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:06|-|Tuplad [~Tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
08:07|-|E0x [~moya@133.87.3.196.l.sta.codetel.net.do] has joined #debian
08:08|-|znag [~robin@193.197.7.165] has joined #debian
08:09<padski>WildOS: ok. well I reckon you might have your work cut out for you. do you have experience building cross- toolchains on linux ?
08:10<WildOS>how come some variables in sh scripts are referred to with $variable while ${variable} is used for others
08:10<WildOS>?
08:10<padski>disambiguation
08:10<padski>WildOS: you could replace all $a with ${a} and it would mean the same but in some instances without the brackets it is ambiguous
08:10|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:11<padski>or least doesn;t mean what you want :-)
08:11|-|D_N_R [~D_N_R@82.252.49.165] has joined #debian
08:11|-|gege08 [~gege@lns-bzn-28-82-250-191-72.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #debian
08:11<padski>(ambiguous is wrong word really)
08:12|-|D_N_R [~D_N_R@82.252.49.165] has left #debian []
08:12<WildOS>padski: so you could do ${1} instead of $1 ?
08:13<WildOS>for arguments..
08:13<padski>WildOS: dunno :-) is $1 a special case ?
08:13<WildOS>it's kind a special =)
08:15<padski>WildOS: it seems to work with bash
08:16|-|julioh [~julioh@WLL-40-pppoe065.t-net.net.ve] has joined #debian
08:16|-|julioh [~julioh@WLL-40-pppoe065.t-net.net.ve] has quit []
08:16|-|metalqga_ [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has joined #debian
08:17|-|alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Quit: Superkb 0.10 released: http://superkb.sf.net/]
08:18|-|metalqga_ [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has quit []
08:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 308] by debhelper
08:19|-|visik7 [~dksakd@aruba-122-211.aruba.unimo.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:25<padski>is there something like a firewall CDD ?
08:25|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has joined #debian
08:26|-|gregod [~jkf@195-116-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #debian
08:26<witte>CDD?
08:26|-|simonrvn_ [~simon@219.20-ppp.3menatwork.com] has joined #debian
08:27<WildOS>padski: I'll run som further tests too =)
08:27|-|essem [~whooted@79-73-66-36.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #debian
08:27|-|essem [~whooted@79-73-66-36.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:27<padski>witte: http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian
08:28<padski>witte: point being that it is entirely within debian, not just derived frmo
08:28|-|simonrvn [~simon@219.118-ppp.3menatwork.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:29<padski>witte: although for needs I would look at derived projects too
08:29|-|afflux [~k@L23e5.l.pppool.de] has joined #debian
08:29|-|m`m`w [~Simba@mm-119-244-209-82.adsl.mgts.by] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:29|-|mjk [~mjk@p54AC76C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: gotta go]
08:30<witte>padski: ok, I just never heard of it...
08:30|-|m`m`w [~Simba@mm-119-244-209-82.adsl.mgts.by] has joined #debian
08:31|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has left #debian []
08:31<padski>witte: firewalls are such a big niche for linux, I'm surprised and disappointed there isn't a debian firewall CDD
08:31<padski>witte: even tempterd to have a go myself :-)
08:31|-|deejoe [~deejoe@poppy.etrumeus.com] has left #debian []
08:31<padski>witte: problem is finding the time away from chatting on irc ;-)#
08:31<laniz>padski: i think the INSERT Linux Project has a package list. based on that you could rebuild the distro with CDD possibly. or just remaster knoppix
08:32<padski>laniz: thanks, I'll take a look
08:32<witte>padski: If you would start with it, it would probably have a lot of people interested
08:32<afflux>Is there any policy on how to behave when I get no answer on my RFS mail in debian-mentors? Don't think i'm unpatient, but since the list is rather high traffic I think my mail might got lost... should I just wait? (posted two weeks ago)
08:33<padski>laniz: its a coll idea, but a long way off where I'm headed :-(
08:33<padski>s/coll/cool/
08:33<laniz>padski: but if you start something like that, please let me know. i would be interested in something like a Debian Firewall
08:34<padski>laniz: I guess there must be an equivalent to an ITP for a CDD. probably just an email to the CDD list
08:34|-|gregod [~jkf@195-116-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:34<laniz>padski: i am unsure, but think the CDD project is "sleeping"
08:35<laniz>could be easier to remaster knoppix with a special package selection
08:35|-|HazardX2 [~hazard@pool-71-248-190-192.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
08:35|-|gege08 [~gege@lns-bzn-28-82-250-191-72.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
08:35<padski>laniz: that's not sleep! that's people busy doing the work! :-)
08:36<laniz>haha
08:36<znag>hi, can anyone tell me how to use TAB as a delimeter in cut?
08:36|-|t0ki [~t0ki@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe65fb00-147.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #debian
08:36|-|myles [~myles@CPE0050181121d5-CM0012254493da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #debian
08:36|-|t0ki [~t0ki@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe65fb00-147.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit []
08:36<padski>znag: -d'<tab character here>'
08:37<padski>znag: you can probably type tab as ctrl-v i
08:37<afflux>znag: according to the man page (in ubuntu) TAB is the default field delimiter
08:37<padski>znag: but isn't tab the default ? :-)
08:38<znag>hm padski: hm stupid me :)
08:39|-|sebash [~sebastian@e176193251.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
08:39<padski>laniz: I'm not thinking of something like INSERT, more something like ipcop or smoothwall
08:39<padski>znag: took me a moment :-)
08:40<laniz>padski: yeah. thats why i mentioned the "special package selection". but for the basic functionally you can use such a model
08:40<padski>laniz: huh ?
08:40<laniz>to remaster knoppix you can follow a pretty straight forward guide
08:40<laniz>and INSERT is a remastered knoppix, basically
08:41<laniz>just specialized in forensics and not in firewalling
08:41<padski>lol
08:41<laniz>why do you laugh? :)
08:42|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has joined #debian
08:42|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has left #debian []
08:43<padski>I think I follow your train of thought, but you have to admit it is a bit "I ask for a firewall CDD and you offer a forensics knoppix remaster, and then we continue to talk at cross-purposes (or at least I do) for some time" :-)
08:44|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
08:44<laniz>well :)
08:45<padski>laniz: it would be pretty nifty if the install disk doubled as a forensics disk though, I have to say!
08:45|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
08:45|-|sebash_ [~sebastian@e176200186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:46<laniz>i admit the example with INSERT Linux was confusing. i meant it as a model for how remastering Knoppix can work out. the guide is really easy: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto
08:46<laniz>its similar to what CDD aimed for, i think
08:47<laniz>so the Knoppix developers (its based on Debian!) do the distro work. and you just have to choose other packages and configure the packages in a different way. and its done!
08:48|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has joined #debian
08:48<padski>laniz: yes, it needs to that easy :-)
08:49<padski>laniz: at least to get started. some things will always be hard :-)
08:49|-|flami [~WooOoo@85.94.226.94] has joined #debian
08:49<laniz>yeah, e.g. replacing all the logos and things :P
08:50<padski>laniz: I did start tinkering about with SimpleCDD and got as far as producing an install disk that worked. it was fairly painless.
08:51|-|staj [~staj@201.89.48.194] has joined #debian
08:51<laniz>padski: lets wait till Mr. Knopper is officially a Debian Developer. maybe he helps the CDD project :)
08:52<padski>laniz: I'm sure his contribution, in the form of knoppix, is already enourmous :-)
08:53<laniz>definetly. the hardware detection of knoppix was absolutely unique to that time. only Mandrake Linux had something of similar quality
08:53|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has left #debian []
08:53<laniz>hardware detection and auto configuration that is
08:54|-|afflux [~k@L23e5.l.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
08:54|-|foolano [~magnetic@87.Red-83-42-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:54|-|fixxxer [~fixxxer@189.135.133.249] has joined #debian
08:58|-|pato [~pato@rompope.fi-b.unam.mx] has joined #debian
08:58|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-140-236.cust.tele2.de] has joined #debian
08:58|-|tuzhila [~tuzhila@83.143.152.216] has joined #debian
08:59|-|Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@host86-129-219-237.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
08:59|-|Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@host86-129-219-237.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit []
08:59|-|Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@host86-129-219-237.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
09:00|-|bhasker [~bhasker@59.92.69.16] has joined #debian
09:01|-|foolano [~magnetic@87.Red-83-42-220.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
09:01|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
09:03|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has joined #debian
09:04|-|makke [~makke@p50913CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
09:04|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
09:05|-|adb [~the_adb@124-170-227-106.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #debian [Leaving]
09:05<Sergeant>JOIN #miwa
09:05|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:05<Sergeant>sorry, wrong window )
09:05|-|fudet [~fudet@80.54.207.180] has joined #debian
09:06|-|MeMoO_ [~memo@pc-20-45-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #debian
09:06|-|fudet [~fudet@80.54.207.180] has quit []
09:06|-|cobra [~cobra@p54AED28D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
09:06|-|staj [~staj@201.89.48.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:07|-|bhasker [~bhasker@59.92.69.16] has left #debian [Leaving]
09:07<flami>Hi Im useing lvm , can i write the fstab as usual as with normal partitions? or is there anything special i need to be aware of ?
09:08|-|miwa [miwa@44-60-207-82.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #debian
09:08|-|Tuplad [~Tuplad@d54C52170.access.telenet.be] has left #debian []
09:08<cobra>hi #debian
09:09|-|mode/#debian [+l 314] by debhelper
09:09|-|Sergeant [~SRTS@195.114.96.66] has left #debian []
09:11|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has joined #debian
09:11|-|smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:11|-|smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #debian
09:11|-|bodkin [~Lam@88-110-218-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #debian
09:11|-|bodkin [~Lam@88-110-218-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit []
09:13<alex__>cobra,
09:13<alex__>!ask
09:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:14<laniz>he just said hi and you flood him with this book of a story :)
09:14|-|sebash changed nick to sebastian
09:15|-|donfede [~grauf@castor.rfa.org] has joined #debian
09:15|-|carlos [~carlos@blade.mweb.co.zw] has joined #debian
09:15|-|sebastian changed nick to Guest1574
09:15<cobra>laniz: no problem ;) always good to have some informations ;)
09:15|-|giomasce [~giovanni@host-84-220-230-144.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
09:15<laniz>cobra: how is Sidux doing these days? :)
09:15<cobra>very fine ;)
09:16<carlos>guys i'm new here
09:16<carlos>wats up
09:16<laniz>carlos: new to IRC or new to Debian?
09:16<carlos>i can say to both
09:16<carlos>i have just installed ubuntu on my machine
09:17<laniz>carlos: cause i think the people made an extra room for general chatting and aim to keep this place focused on support questions
09:17<cobra>laniz: but how do you know that i came from sidux?
09:17<laniz>cobra: i saw you there some time ago
09:17<cobra>laniz: ahh, ok ;)
09:17<laniz>:)
09:18|-|kintaro0e [~kintaro0e@58.71.19.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
09:19<carlos>ok i see wat you mean but i still getting familiar with ubuntu i hope i will have more questions to ask
09:19|-|giomasce [~giovanni@host-84-220-230-144.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit []
09:19<witte>carlos: there is also an #ubuntu channel, if you have questions, people there will be better equiped to answer
09:19|-|giomasce [~giovanni@host-84-220-230-144.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
09:19<witte>carlos: in principle, only debian questions are on topic here
09:20<carlos>but i want to know how i can install google talk on my machine?
09:20<petemc>so ask #ubuntu
09:20<carlos>ok guys
09:20<carlos>later then
09:23|-|qbit [~abieber@inet-netcache3-o.oracle.com] has joined #debian
09:24|-|rickysarraf [~Rickyx@202.3.112.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:29|-|pato [~pato@rompope.fi-b.unam.mx] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
09:31|-|jon_ [~jon@DU175.N117.QueensU.CA] has joined #debian
09:31|-|jon_ [~jon@DU175.N117.QueensU.CA] has quit []
09:33|-|miteyMite [~mitey@ip24-255-226-148.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:33|-|miteyMite [~mitey@ip24-255-226-148.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #debian
09:33|-|tombar__ [~tombar@r190-64-146-208.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #debian
09:34|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
09:40|-|remi [~remi@ANancy-154-1-3-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
09:40|-|tombar_ [~tombar@r190-64-141-147.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:40|-|caat [~caat@78-56-5-216.ip.zebra.lt] has joined #debian
09:40|-|remi [~remi@ANancy-154-1-3-151.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit []
09:40|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
09:40|-|carlos [~carlos@blade.mweb.co.zw] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
09:42|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:42|-|jbernard [~jbernard@bburg.evergrid.com] has quit [Quit: leaving]
09:42|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:43|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
09:45|-|aitiba [~aitiba@eu85-86-219-88.clientes.euskaltel.es] has joined #debian
09:47|-|betopena [~betopena@200.201.25.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:48|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.72] has joined #debian
09:50|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:50|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
09:51|-|betopena [~betopena@200.201.25.5] has joined #debian
09:51|-|elbow [~elbow@acgm215.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
09:52|-|posix [~posix@CPE0013462006cd-CM000f9f1cf1da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #debian
09:52|-|elbow [~elbow@acgm215.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit []
09:53|-|PuToReGuiLa [~helder@87-196-95-193.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
09:53|-|lymeca| [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:54|-|bewboy [~xxxx@145samana81.codetel.net.do] has joined #debian
09:55|-|dwon [~dwon@static24-89-65-166.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #debian
09:55|-|lusouza [~lusouza@201.57.143.178] has joined #debian
09:55|-|lusouza [~lusouza@201.57.143.178] has quit []
09:55|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-140-236.cust.tele2.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:56<posix>Anyone recommend a web front-end for samba? (something like a webmin replacement that is maintained and secured, perhaps CipUX?)
09:56<azeem>there's swat, I tought
09:57<azeem>thought*
09:57|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.196.238] has joined #debian
09:57|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:57|-|MeMoO_ [~memo@pc-20-45-120-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
09:57<posix>oO
09:57<lupine>Oo
09:58<bewboy>hi every body,!!!!!!!!!!
09:59<bewboy>i need help with the location of my headers.
09:59<flami>is there a way to find out in which package i can find : apr-1-config
09:59<flami>!tell bewboy about ask
09:59|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
09:59<bewboy>ok
09:59|-|repair-man [~unreel@c-68-54-175-53.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #debian
09:59<gsimmons>!tell flami -about search
10:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
10:00|-|lymeca| [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
10:00<flami>neat
10:00<flami>thanks
10:00|-|elbow [~elbow@acgm215.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
10:00|-|elbow [~elbow@acgm215.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit []
10:00|-|matteo [~matteo@87.19.125.230] has joined #debian
10:01|-|lunatic [~francois@erlannic.irisa.fr] has joined #debian
10:02|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has joined #debian
10:02|-|ticoli [~ticoli@seb44-1-88-163-77-142.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
10:02<bewboy>i am trying to install vmware, but during the config it says me "what is the location of the directory of C headers files that match your runnin kernel", i specify it /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.19/include
10:02|-|matteo [~matteo@87.19.125.230] has quit []
10:02<bewboy>but it don't acept these.
10:03|-|lonelystar [~spikerman@58.39.81.73] has joined #debian
10:03<E0x>do you have the headers of the running kernel there ?
10:03<bewboy>i thing so.
10:03<lupine>bewboy: "/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build" might work
10:04|-|lonelystar [~spikerman@58.39.81.73] has quit []
10:04<lupine>ISTR VMware being an absolute pain for getting the kernel module compile
10:04<lupine>...d
10:04<lupine>In fact, I think there was a patch or something last time I tried it (.17 kernel in ubuntu)
10:05|-|the-dude [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has joined #debian
10:06<ranix>I installed VMware with no problem whatsoever
10:06|-|quasisane [~sanep@c-76-118-191-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)]
10:06<ranix>the install script is well written barring some retarded assumptions that just happened to be true
10:06<lupine>good to hear. Like I said, my experience is a bit out of date
10:07<ranix>i.e. assuming /bin/sh is bash
10:07<ranix>although that has been fixed I believe
10:07<bewboy>i understand uname -r identify my kernel version
10:07<ranix>overall I am impressed by vmware
10:07[~]lupine found it no faster than qemu + kqemu
10:07<ranix>but I wouldn't use it in a server environment and would examine qemu or similar first
10:08<lupine>although I haven't tried their directx stuff
10:08|-|iblicf [~iblicf@125.34.30.163] has joined #debian
10:08<ranix>lupine: the directx in vmware is staggeringly good
10:08<ranix>lupine: directx7 and 8 are almost fully supported, 9 is fuzzy
10:08<lupine>int'rusting
10:09|-|mode/#debian [+l 324] by debhelper
10:09<bewboy>and i have a dir "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.19" with a lot of file that i asume as the headers
10:09<lupine>I bet bioshock doesn't work under it ;)
10:09|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:09<ranix>I will not be buying bioshock
10:09|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:09<ranix>because it has no multiplayer
10:09<lupine>meh. neither did system shock 1
10:09<ranix>I might pirate it
10:09<lupine>I was playing that yesterday/today, and it's still a blindingly good gamer
10:10<lupine>game*
10:10<ranix>my CPU is aging
10:10<ranix>2.4ghz Northwood
10:11<ranix>and I can't overclock it anymore because my good motherboard died and now I'm on a failure asus board
10:11|-|iblicf_ [~iblicf@125.34.31.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:11|-|kneet [~chris@213-187-160-178.dd.nextgentel.com] has joined #debian
10:12|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:14|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:16|-|esop [~wade@140.211.24.86] has joined #debian
10:18|-|nirgal [nirgal@sodium.nirgal.com] has joined #debian
10:18|-|hawky [~hawky@dslb-084-063-137-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:19|-|hawky [~hawky@dslb-084-063-137-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit []
10:19<ranix>!tell bewboy about knoppix
10:20|-|varunhiremath [~varunhire@barmen.interhost.no] has joined #debian
10:20|-|varunhiremath changed nick to debgod
10:21|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:21|-|drbombay[lap] [~drbombay@69.239.84.135] has joined #debian
10:21|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:22|-|aitiba [~aitiba@eu85-86-219-88.clientes.euskaltel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:23|-|debgod changed nick to varunhiremath
10:23|-|iblicf [~iblicf@125.34.30.163] has quit [Quit: 暂离]
10:23|-|varunhiremath changed nick to debgod
10:23|-|linac [~lin@121.71.45.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:24|-|debgod changed nick to varunhiremath
10:24|-|varunhiremath changed nick to debgod
10:24<debgod>noshadow: Sorry, I didn't get it. What's a lawyerbomb?
10:24<lupine>the best thing in the world, by the sounds of it
10:24<lupine>a lawyer strapped to a Paveway
10:25|-|debgod [~varunhire@barmen.interhost.no] has left #debian []
10:25|-|varunhiremath [~varunhire@barmen.interhost.no] has joined #debian
10:25|-|varunhiremath changed nick to debgod
10:25|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:25|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:28|-|debgod changed nick to varunhiremath
10:28|-|varunhiremath changed nick to debgod
10:29|-|olegb [olegb@omgwtf.dk] has joined #debian
10:29|-|icwiener [~fs@e177179210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
10:30|-|debgod changed nick to varunhiremath
10:30|-|MoDaX [~nth@84.240.22.131] has joined #debian
10:30|-|jevargas [~jose@Leased-Lines-209-83.tricom.net] has joined #debian
10:31<jevargas>hola
10:31|-|hawky [~hawky@dslb-084-063-137-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:31|-|hawky [~hawky@dslb-084-063-137-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit []
10:31|-|jevargas [~jose@Leased-Lines-209-83.tricom.net] has quit []
10:32|-|Melais [~Melais@intranet.zonepro-network.net] has quit [Quit: Melais]
10:33|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:33|-|fili [~fili@ip565eabb9.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #debian
10:33|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:34|-|Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@host86-129-219-237.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving]
10:37|-|kv [kvarchil@89.254.136.86] has joined #debian
10:37|-|icwiener_ [~fs@e177179210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
10:37|-|Optical [~dlz@58.37.2.14] has quit [Quit: Wave~~]
10:37|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-145-21.cust.tele2.de] has joined #debian
10:37|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has quit [Quit: cahoot]
10:38|-|linac [~lin@222.47.30.7] has joined #debian
10:38<kv>hi, what does this mean - If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. ?
10:40|-|sepski [~sep@217.17.211.51] has joined #debian
10:40|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:41|-|vin` [~nach@adsl21-23.qualitynet.net] has joined #debian
10:41|-|MAKC [~MAKC@users.telesweet.net] has joined #debian
10:42|-|drbombay[lap] [~drbombay@69.239.84.135] has quit [Quit: Doc's Out]
10:42<MAKC>hi
10:42|-|varunhiremath [~varunhire@barmen.interhost.no] has left #debian []
10:43<fili>i'm having trouble getting a serial port to work properly
10:43<fili>im using a null modem cable between two servers with heartbeat
10:43<fili>all seems well on both (hardwar identical) machines
10:43|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:44|-|icwiener [~fs@e177179210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:44<fili>however a simple echo test >/dev/ttyS0 doesnt work
10:44<fili>i just cant seem to find the problem
10:44|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:44<fili>any1 has a clue where to look next?
10:44<fili>(been allover the net)
10:46|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:46|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-33-230-59.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
10:47|-|linac [~lin@222.47.30.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:47|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
10:47|-|Zomtec [franky@dslb-084-058-054-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:48|-|Zomtec [franky@dslb-084-058-054-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit []
10:49|-|bewboy [~xxxx@145samana81.codetel.net.do] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
10:51|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:52|-|elbow [~elbow@acgj53.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
10:52|-|elbow [~elbow@acgj53.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit []
10:52|-|deepak [~deepak@210.211.198.135] has joined #debian
10:52|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
10:53|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:54|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
10:56|-|x_madbot [~manx@200.174.27.139] has joined #debian
10:56|-|Steelhoof [~chatzilla@adsl-75-6-182-83.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
10:56|-|x_madbot [~manx@200.174.27.139] has quit []
10:56|-|Melais [~Melais@intranet.zonepro-network.net] has joined #debian
10:58|-|MoDaX [~nth@84.240.22.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:58|-|MoDaX [~nth@84.240.22.131] has joined #debian
10:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 330] by debhelper
10:59|-|preco25 [~andrew@C-59-101-167-106.mel.connect.net.au] has joined #debian
10:59|-|preco25 [~andrew@C-59-101-167-106.mel.connect.net.au] has left #debian []
10:59|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:59|-|Melais [~Melais@intranet.zonepro-network.net] has quit []
10:59|-|Melais [~Melais@intranet.zonepro-network.net] has joined #debian
10:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
11:01|-|H [~h@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
11:02|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has joined #debian
11:02|-|luban [~luban@117-tor-3.acn.waw.pl] has joined #debian
11:02|-|DaniloCesar [~Danilo@201-14-37-76.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
11:02|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
11:05|-|luban [~luban@117-tor-3.acn.waw.pl] has quit []
11:08|-|Madcap [~Madcap@cc454028-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #debian
11:08<Madcap>Hey people
11:09|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:09<Madcap>Would anybody here know a way for me to resize both an ntfs and an ext3 partition without losing data?
11:09|-|Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@host81-159-107-218.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
11:09|-|entuall [~morgan@pom51-2-82-241-128-153.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !]
11:10<kv>You won't lose anything
11:10|-|gabrix [~gabrix@host31-146-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
11:11|-|drbombay[lap] [~drbombay@69.239.84.135] has joined #debian
11:11<Madcap>excuse me?
11:11|-|avds [~arvids@213-35-132-194-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #debian
11:12<Madcap>As far as I know, when I use parted (or a gui for parted) I lose the data on the ntfs partition
11:12<avds>if I want to use two DSL uplinks in parallel, what should I ask from google?
11:12<Madcap>and when I use partition magic I lose the data on my ext3 partition
11:12<azeem>Madcap: not these days with a recent parted, I think
11:12<azeem>Madcap: but this is not legal advise
11:12|-|Steelhoof [~chatzilla@adsl-75-6-182-83.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:12<avds>(in debian of course)
11:12<kv>I've done it once, i didn't loso anything
11:12<Madcap>hmkay
11:13|-|peet [~peet@dsl4E5C0DC7.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #debian
11:13|-|peet [~peet@dsl4E5C0DC7.pool.t-online.hu] has quit []
11:13<Madcap>I'll take a closer look at it, thanks
11:14|-|brandom [repp@heap.f00f.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:14<kv>I resized the partition where was some room left
11:14<kv>maybe that's why you sole some data
11:14<kv>lose*
11:15|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
11:15<Madcap>I have space left on my ntfs partition
11:15|-|icwiener__ [~fs@e177179210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
11:15<Madcap>but the last time I resised a partition (wich is a few years ago I msut say) one of the partitons remained empty after
11:18|-|jae [~jae@d252092.dialin.hansenet.de] has joined #debian
11:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 337] by debhelper
11:19|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:19|-|schoinobates [~lmamane@capsaicin.mamane.lu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:20|-|znag [~robin@193.197.7.165] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:21|-|DaniloCesar [~Danilo@201-14-37-76.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:21|-|eevee [~brian@ckc-112-14.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #debian
11:21|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
11:21|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has quit [Quit: cahoot]
11:21|-|grochap [~grochap@200.170.243.154] has joined #debian
11:22<flami>Hi whats the equivalent to mount --bind dir1 dir2 in the /etc/fstab ?
11:22|-|icwiener_ [~fs@e177179210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:22<gsimmons>avds: I think the term you're after is "split access" (I've also seen it as "policy routing"). You'd want to read section 4.2 of the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO.
11:23|-|fxiny [~fxiny@host137-27-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
11:24|-|cobra [~cobra@p54AED28D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
11:24|-|wezck [~wezck@189.149.65.80] has joined #debian
11:24|-|Eulex [~alex@85.235.5.12] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:25|-|vastinfest [~vastinfes@193.219.74.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:25|-|wezck [~wezck@189.149.65.80] has quit []
11:25|-|wezck [~wezck@189.149.65.80] has joined #debian
11:26|-|cobra [~cobra@p54AED28D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
11:26|-|wezck [~wezck@189.149.65.80] has quit []
11:26|-|irwiss [~irwiss@212.199.22.163.forward.012.net.il] has joined #debian
11:26[~]cobra is away: zur zeit nicht da
11:27<azeem>cobra: please turn that off
11:27|-|RichiH [richih@richih.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 600 seconds]
11:27|-|Melais [~Melais@intranet.zonepro-network.net] has quit [Quit: Melais]
11:27<Madcap>Too bad, I can't mess around with a partition that's currently active
11:28|-|er [~er@p54B69F5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
11:28|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:29|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
11:31|-|manphiz [dxy@218.244.247.198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:32|-|drbombay[lap] [~drbombay@69.239.84.135] has quit [Quit: Doc's Out]
11:33|-|alaya [~alaya@adsl-70-132-18-122.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:33|-|colde [~colde@217.14.122.234] has joined #debian
11:33|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.72] has joined #debian
11:33|-|nemrac [~nemrac@62.43.143.156.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
11:33|-|bitu [~bb@dslb-088-072-221-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:34|-|HazardX2 [~hazard@pool-71-248-190-192.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
11:34[~]fxiny reads the Peru chronicle : apparently St.Ignucius became a Delay Lama , yeahhh "delay" : Peru net crashsed ...
11:35|-|`villain` [villain@83.146.91.195] has joined #debian
11:37|-|Madcap [~Madcap@cc454028-b.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:37|-|smyclops [~smyclops@blade.mweb.co.zw] has joined #debian
11:37|-|smyclops [~smyclops@blade.mweb.co.zw] has quit []
11:37|-|hayden_ [~hayden@62-249-237-101.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:38<fxiny>s/y/i/g
11:38|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has joined #debian
11:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 331] by debhelper
11:40|-|MoDaXaS [~nth@84.240.22.131] has joined #debian
11:40|-|MoDaX [~nth@84.240.22.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:40|-|irwiss [~irwiss@212.199.22.163.forward.012.net.il] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:42|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-145-21.cust.tele2.de] has quit [Quit: will return.]
11:43|-|er [~er@p54B69F5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:44<padski>s/:-(/:-)/g
11:44|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
11:45|-|H [~h@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:45|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:47|-|H [~h@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
11:48|-|cabjm [~jbm@204.Red-88-11-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
11:48|-|julioh [~julioh@WLL-40-pppoe065.t-net.net.ve] has joined #debian
11:50|-|cabjm [~jbm@204.Red-88-11-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
11:50|-|padski [~padski@ip-81-1-123-22.cust.homechoice.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:51|-|cabjm [~jbm@204.Red-88-11-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
11:51|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has joined #debian
11:53|-|tuzhila [~tuzhila@83.143.152.216] has quit [Quit: õÈÏÖÕ Ñ ÏÔ ×ÁÓ]
11:53|-|cabjm [~jbm@204.Red-88-11-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
11:53|-|MrZodiac [~mrzodiac@cpe-76-181-182-10.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
11:53|-|cabjm [~jbm@204.Red-88-11-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
11:53|-|quasisane [~sanep@c-76-118-191-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #debian
11:54<julioh>me lo croman
11:54|-|sindreij [~sindre@ti221110a081-8038.bb.online.no] has joined #debian
11:55<avds>gsimmons, thanks
11:55|-|avds [~arvids@213-35-132-194-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:56|-|cabjm [~jbm@204.Red-88-11-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
11:56|-|nemrac [~nemrac@62.43.143.156.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:58|-|ohnotagain [~fraz@82-69-122-76.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
11:58|-|ohnotagain [~fraz@82-69-122-76.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #debian []
11:58|-|martijn_ [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has joined #debian
11:59|-|fili [~fili@ip565eabb9.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
11:59|-|the-dude [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Is that a kangeroo?]
12:00|-|martijn_ changed nick to the-dude
12:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
12:00|-|Overfien1 changed nick to Overfiend
12:02|-|MoDaXaS changed nick to MoDaX
12:04|-|ajcc [~adrian@host-85-30-151-232.sydskane.nu] has joined #debian
12:05|-|ticoli [~ticoli@seb44-1-88-163-77-142.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
12:05|-|Pingu_lady [~pinto@84.90.44.112] has joined #debian
12:06|-|ricky [~ricky@dsl254-068-035.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:06<Pingu_lady>im tryng to install Debian4 from netinstall but it dont detect my ethernet card (Asus p5k onboard)
12:06<Pingu_lady>any tips?
12:06<julioh>lo croman jojotiado
12:07|-|alaya [~alaya@adsl-70-132-15-184.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
12:08<noflash>julioh, english ?
12:08<Pingu_lady>can anyone give me a tip?
12:10|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:11<dli>Pingu_lady, then, get the 1st installation cd
12:12<Pingu_lady>no otherway to solve the problem?
12:12|-|ciol [~ciol@91.164.123.150] has joined #debian
12:13|-|Atomo64 [~Atomo64@201.164.227.136] has joined #debian
12:13<laniz>that wont help
12:13|-|ciol [~ciol@91.164.123.150] has quit []
12:13<laniz>the problem is the support in the kernel 2.6.18
12:14|-|ciol [~ciol@91.164.123.150] has joined #debian
12:14<laniz>there used to be an article about it on Planet Debian, but google points to an RSS feed that is gone
12:14<laniz>hang on
12:15|-|tycale [~tycale@30.143-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:15<Pingu_lady>kk
12:16<Pingu_lady>i got an answer sayng that my network chipset is not suported :S
12:16|-|tycale [~tycale@30.143-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #debian
12:16|-|ricky [~ricky@dsl254-068-035.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #debian
12:16<laniz>yeah, thats what i said indirectly
12:16|-|the-dude [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:17<dli>Pingu_lady, it's supported by linux, but not natively
12:17|-|ricky changed nick to Guest1585
12:17<laniz>i just try to find a weblog or page that explains how you get a newer kernel to your netinstall
12:17|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:17<laniz>dli: your 2 statements confuse the situation more than it helps
12:17|-|Guest1585 changed nick to ricky
12:18|-|the-dude [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has joined #debian
12:19|-|dudester [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has joined #debian
12:19<laniz>Pingu_lady: while i search you can look yourself after a netinstall image with a newer kernel from backports
12:19<Pingu_lady>i DL this netinstaller today from Debian website
12:20|-|dudester [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has quit []
12:20|-|the-dude [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has quit []
12:20<dli>Pingu_lady, the status is more or less like this: http://www.david-web.co.uk/blog/?p=181
12:21|-|kv [kvarchil@89.254.136.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:21|-|the-dude [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has joined #debian
12:21<dli>Pingu_lady, you can first use a full installation CD to install a basic system, then, you would be able to install a driver for LAN
12:21|-|ifvoid changed nick to the-void
12:21<laniz>Pingu_lady: forget that link. do you have a chance to copy the kernel package from backports to the netinstall device?
12:22|-|nemrac [~nemrac@62.43.143.156.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
12:22<laniz>and ignore dli till he suggests something that helps the situation
12:22<Pingu_lady>i burn netinstall to a CD
12:22<Pingu_lady>should i put it on a pen driver together with it?
12:23|-|Celelibi [celelibi@APoitiers-258-1-17-195.w90-45.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:23<Pingu_lady>or i can simply re-burn it , if thats what u mean
12:24<dli>Pingu_lady, let me check whether atl1 is supported in lenny
12:24<laniz>Pingu_lady: basically what you do is this: you install your base system. and after that you install the 2.6.21 kernel from backports.org (for etch)
12:25<laniz>Pingu_lady: do you know how to do that?
12:25<dli>Pingu_lady, since etch doesn't support atl1 natively, I don't suggest you to do netinst etch
12:25<laniz>dli: you slowly make me aggressive
12:26<Pingu_lady>laniz, relax...:)
12:26<Pingu_lady>well that way i must DL the whole base ssystem cd right?
12:26<laniz>no. that is on the netinstall cd
12:27<laniz>the only problem is you cant go further directly because you need the new kernel from backports.org for etch
12:27|-|berto [~berto@fanzine.igalia.com] has quit [Quit: Bye]
12:27<Pingu_lady>but i cant go throw the netinstall without netword card
12:27<Pingu_lady>it dont go throw...
12:27<laniz>the netinstall has all you need for a debootstrap
12:27<Pingu_lady>do i have to make any command before start booting?
12:27<dli>Pingu_lady, atl1 is supported in current kernel.org stable kernel or lenny
12:28<laniz>okay, sod it. until somebody silences dli i wont pay attention anymore
12:28<dli>Pingu_lady, you may either install a basic etch and upgrade to 2.6.22 kernel, or simply install lenny (with 2.6.21 kernel currently)
12:28|-|yutaka [~yutaka@234.25.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #debian
12:29<laniz>this channel slowly reaches the quality level of #ubuntu on Freenode
12:29<Pingu_lady>dli please..... your making me really confused, im a bit newbie on *unix systems and with laniz telling me something and u teelling me something differentmy head will explode soon
12:29|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has left #debian []
12:29<Pingu_lady>laniz, he is just tryng to be nice....i think:)
12:29<laniz>no, he is a clueless jerk who cant STFU
12:30|-|yutaka [~yutaka@234.25.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has quit []
12:30<Pingu_lady>so laniz how can i do the base install without passing the network card detection?
12:31<laniz>i said i wont support any people till somebody silenced this clueless person
12:31<dli>Pingu_lady, to make it work for you is my objective, and since I don't see any channel guru here, I suggest you to first understand why it doesn't work with etch, then decide the way to go
12:31<azeem>laniz: we don't silence persons on these terms
12:31|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
12:31|-|RichiH [richih@62.111.103.25] has joined #debian
12:31<laniz>azeem: welcome to ubuntu then
12:31<azeem>dli: what do you mean with "understand why it doesn't work with etch"
12:31|-|Cap_J_L_Picard [~ewanm89@host81-159-107-218.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: circus]
12:32<dli>azeem, atl1 is not supported by etch kernel
12:32<azeem>dli: how is that related to "understanding"
12:32|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:32|-|deepak [~deepak@210.211.198.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:32<laniz>i take bets dli never even heard about backports.org
12:32<dli>azeem, noting that, why should a n00b try to use etch netinst
12:32<azeem>why not?
12:33<azeem>it's recommended
12:33<dli>azeem, then tell him, not me
12:33<azeem>the question is how to go from here
12:33<azeem>tell "him" wht?
12:33<dli>azeem, how to use netinst
12:33<laniz>we been there 10 minutes ago if this person would not have insisted in being a PITA
12:33<azeem>eh?
12:33<Pingu_lady>if u guys stop fightihng and concentrate those 3 brains on my subject im sure we can solve tihs out quickly
12:33<Pingu_lady>:)
12:33|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has joined #debian
12:33|-|MiR_ [~ritch@d86-33-236-84.cust.tele2.at] has joined #debian
12:33<dli>azeem, he had been asking for help for long, that was why I picked up
12:33<azeem>dli: Pingu_lady used netinst, but their system is not supported by it
12:34<Pingu_lady>(tas lhe a chamar pita?lol)
12:34<azeem>dli: there's no need to urgently help somebody if you don't know the answer either
12:34<Pingu_lady>it only get the things more confusing
12:34<laniz>Pingu_lady: short for "pain in the anus"
12:34<azeem>Pingu_lady: why can't you use the full CD1?
12:34<dli>azeem, my answer would work, install a basic system and install the driver for it
12:34<Pingu_lady>couse netinstall is more small:)
12:35<Pingu_lady>but i can DL the full too
12:35<laniz>azeem: dude. the full CD has no kernel from backports also
12:35<azeem>laniz: but dude, it installs a working system
12:35|-|Celelibi [celelibi@APoitiers-258-1-81-229.w90-45.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
12:35<dli>azeem, that was what I suggested, use cd1, if you scroll up
12:35<laniz>azeem: but that does not change the situation that she has to get a 2.6.21 kernel from backports on there. and then you can do it on the debootstrapped system anyways
12:35<azeem>it's far easier to put a backports kernel on that than on a aborted netinst installation
12:36<laniz>yeah, it just takes some people a few hours to download the full CD
12:36<azeem>Pingu_lady: is this a desktop or a notebook?
12:36<laniz>in that time its all sorted
12:36<Pingu_lady>desktop
12:37<Pingu_lady>with a Asus p5k
12:37<azeem>Pingu_lady: and you can't put an installed ethernet card into itß?
12:37|-|nemrac [~nemrac@62.43.143.156.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:37<dli>Pingu_lady, azeem is a guru, but not quite wake up :( there's nothing to abort here for you, you can't use netinst here, unless you want to get hand dirty
12:37<Pingu_lady>you mean place an extra network card to install debian ( sorry about my poor english)
12:37<azeem>dli: what are you talking about
12:38|-|kanru [~kanru@NAT-Dorm2.ncnu.edu.tw] has joined #debian
12:38<azeem>Pingu_lady: yes
12:38<Pingu_lady>yes i can
12:38<Pingu_lady>i have some Realtake cards here
12:38|-|webtech_m33 [user@webtech.m33access.com] has joined #debian
12:38<azeem>Pingu_lady: that'd be the easiest
12:38<laniz>somebody please tell me when jerks like dli moved over to #ubuntu on Freenode. thanks
12:38|-|laniz [~squirrel@fe-0-3-0.cr1.sfo1.xzibition.com] has left #debian []
12:38<dli>azeem, he mentioned asus p5k long ago :( now you asked him desktop or laptop, or keep the netinst, without net, nothing to keep from from netinst
12:39<Pingu_lady>azeem, after the base isntall system is ready i can try to load the right modules to my atls network card?
12:39|-|nemrac [~nemrac@62.43.143.156.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
12:40<azeem>Pingu_lady: just install as you want
12:40<azeem>Pingu_lady: then, install a new kernel from backports.org
12:40<webtech_m33>anyone know how to block SYN_RECV doss attacks? with iptables??
12:40<Pingu_lady>but i must compile the kernel first before install it?
12:41<azeem>Pingu_lady: no, you just install it from the backports.org repository
12:41<azeem>!backports.org
12:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>
12:42<Pingu_lady>cool, couse i never compiled a kernel before:)
12:42<azeem>it's not needed
12:42<Pingu_lady>azeem, i will apply a diferente NC and try to install it
12:42<Pingu_lady>after that ill come back with some ressults
12:42|-|spunz [~spunz@h081217155195.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #debian
12:42<Pingu_lady>Really appreciated your help azeem
12:42|-|spunz [~spunz@h081217155195.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has left #debian []
12:43<Pingu_lady>thanks to dli too but.....try not to be so childish :)
12:43|-|the-dude [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:43<dli>Pingu_lady, I was trying to help you, if not helpful, you may simply ignore, irc has /ignore
12:43<webtech_m33>any firewall guys/gals hiding in here?
12:43<Pingu_lady>i dont ignore people, im a human beein
12:44<Pingu_lady>cya later boys!
12:44|-|Pingu_lady [~pinto@84.90.44.112] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:44<dli>webtech_m33, http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126699 , first from google, I use bastille, which has a choice use ignoring syn ddos
12:45<Metalqga>use firestarter
12:45|-|the-dude [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has joined #debian
12:47<webtech_m33>my postfix mail is just running sooo slow
12:47<webtech_m33>it's driving me nuts
12:47|-|shingouz [shinguz@88.193.243.31] has joined #debian
12:48<webtech_m33>so i can apt-get install bastille and install it?
12:49<dli>webtech_m33, bastille is kind of outdated, but I find it's quite easy to use: apt-get install psad bastille
12:49|-|bgat [~bgat@adsl-75-23-66-111.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
12:49<fxiny>old psad still around ?
12:49<bgat>So, Linus apparently thinks Debian is too "technical" for him? :)
12:49<dli>fxiny, yes, any replacement for psad?
12:50|-|kurumin [~kurumin@189.12.130.212] has joined #debian
12:50<fxiny>snort ?
12:50|-|EmleyMoor [phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com] has joined #debian
12:50|-|kurumin [~kurumin@189.12.130.212] has quit []
12:50<dli>fxiny, I'll try that
12:50<Metalqga>bgat a link?
12:51<bgat>interview with Linus posted on slashdot.
12:51<Metalqga>ciao fxiny
12:51<fxiny>dli: snort can feed shorewall for example
12:51<bgat>http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=276679&threshold=1&commentsort=3&mode=thread&cid=20319357
12:51|-|caat [~caat@78-56-5-216.ip.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:51<fxiny>dli: i used psad long ago
12:51<dli>fxiny, I don't use shorewall
12:51<fxiny>Metalqga: hi met :)
12:51<dli>fxiny, can I still use snort?
12:51<Metalqga>do you know that we say ciao for bye?
12:52<fxiny>dli: iirc psad uses snort rules
12:52<dli>fxiny, bastille sets psad for me, so I find it's easy
12:53|-|catoblepa [~catoblepa@host-84-220-117-90.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
12:53<fxiny>Metalqga: ciao comes from the venetian dialect , it means "sciao vostro" , "your slave" where "sciao" is "slave"
12:54<fxiny>dli: i use snort + bleeding edge rules
12:54|-|bgat [~bgat@adsl-75-23-66-111.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12]
12:55|-|stoffepojken [~stoffe@c213-200-184-137.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #debian
12:55<Metalqga>and btw lenny is so stable, so far
12:55<fxiny>dli: and i block/blacklist anything triggering snort alerts , i used psad with shorewall too
12:56<fxiny>dli: i'm not saying psad is bad
12:56<dli>fxiny, that makes sense. I found psad is often broken with conf files, so I would like to try a replacement
12:57<fxiny>dli: i don't like bastille , i follow debian guidelines about hardening a box
12:57<webtech_m33>here can i find that
12:57<webtech_m33>hardening a box?
12:57<dli>fxiny, yes, bastille is outdated, but it's kind of error proof to me
12:57|-|qeed [~qeed@adsl-230-117-70.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
12:59<fxiny>webtech_m33: yes , see official debian docs
12:59|-|makke [~makke@p50913CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
13:01|-|harpal [~dhaval@219.64.82.163] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC]
13:01|-|Atomo64 [~Atomo64@201.164.227.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
13:01|-|Atomo64_ [~Atomo64@201.164.227.136] has joined #debian
13:02<fxiny>dli: i fond something on my mail archive abourt psad : psad-2.0.8 has been released on the Sat, 28 Jul 2007 . i might have a look at it
13:02<fxiny>found*
13:02|-|GottesDiener [~irc@x01.informatik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #debian
13:02|-|the-void changed nick to teh-o-rist
13:03|-|teh-o-rist changed nick to the-void
13:03<dli>fxiny, yes, I have 2.0.6 here
13:03|-|stoffepojken [~stoffe@c213-200-184-137.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
13:04<fxiny>dli: is a mail from the author to a mlist . he said : new set of --gnuplot options , talk and slides on his site
13:05|-|ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:05|-|wwwroviknoppix [~wwwrovi@200.92.234.127] has joined #debian
13:05|-|GottesDiener [~irc@x01.informatik.uni-bremen.de] has left #debian []
13:06<wwwroviknoppix>jbçç
13:06|-|wwwroviknoppix [~wwwrovi@200.92.234.127] has quit []
13:06|-|wwwroviknoppix [~wwwrovi@200.92.234.127] has joined #debian
13:06<fxiny>webtech_m33: i forogt to add : "i'm sure you'll love 'em" :)
13:06|-|wwwroviknoppix [~wwwrovi@200.92.234.127] has quit []
13:06|-|julioh [~julioh@WLL-40-pppoe065.t-net.net.ve] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
13:07[~]fxiny adds "jbçç" to his wow signal database
13:09|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.72] has joined #debian
13:11|-|corey [~corey@cpe-24-33-78-205.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
13:11|-|corey [~corey@cpe-24-33-78-205.cinci.res.rr.com] has quit []
13:13|-|jfleming [~jfleming@c-68-57-200-177.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
13:14<Metalqga>lol bgat you were right
13:19|-|vnode [~oberon@f048237040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
13:20|-|Eulex [~alex@h74n1fls33o998.telia.com] has joined #debian
13:20|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.196.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
13:21|-|jae [~jae@d252092.dialin.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:21|-|the-void changed nick to ifvoid
13:22|-|[gloom] [~6EQUJ5@rdapepar1.cc.upv.es] has joined #debian
13:22|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host145-6-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:23|-|jevargas [~jose@Leased-Lines-209-83.tricom.net] has joined #debian
13:23|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.196.238] has joined #debian
13:23<jevargas>\grupom
13:25|-|Metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has left #debian []
13:25<webtech_m33>is shorewall hard to us.. i see it's confured with webmin
13:25|-|Atomo64_ [~Atomo64@201.164.227.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:25|-|jevargas [~jose@Leased-Lines-209-83.tricom.net] has quit []
13:25|-|Atomo64 [~Atomo64@201.164.227.136] has joined #debian
13:26|-|ajcc [~adrian@host-85-30-151-232.sydskane.nu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
13:26<fxiny>no need for webmin : docs are of the finest quality ...
13:28<fxiny>and it shows the power of bash
13:30|-|bzed [~bzed@dslb-084-059-110-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
13:30<fxiny>reading an iptables tutorial adds to the pleasure ...
13:30|-|ao2_ [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has joined #debian
13:30<fxiny>what else ? :)
13:31|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
13:32<bzed>iptables -t mangle -I PREROUTING 1 -j DROP ?
13:33|-|gaiusbonus [~franky@p3EE38B68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:33<bzed>seems gaius just tried that :P
13:34<fxiny>but then came janus showing another side of it :)
13:36|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
13:36|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:36[~]fxiny joins the debian SPQR lonely hearts club
13:37|-|nOp [~xxxx@bas33-1-82-66-7-9.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:39|-|makke [~makke@p50913CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
13:39|-|junio [~junio@201.47.177.3.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
13:40|-|catoblepa [~catoblepa@host-84-220-117-90.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #debian [urgent want..]
13:41|-|jevargas [~jose@Leased-Lines-209-83.tricom.net] has joined #debian
13:42|-|Sub-Zero [~desk@190.72.134.100] has joined #debian
13:42|-|jevargas [~jose@Leased-Lines-209-83.tricom.net] has quit []
13:42|-|junio [~junio@201.47.177.3.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #debian
13:42|-|gaiusbonus [~franky@p3EE38ECC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
13:43<webtech_m33>anyone know where the SYN_RECV timeout setting is?
13:46|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
13:47|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-27-242.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:48|-|Fjordside [~JMF@90.185.54.203] has joined #debian
13:49|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-145-166.cust.tele2.de] has joined #debian
13:49|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
13:50|-|makke [~makke@p50913CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:52<dli>webtech_m33, iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,ACK,FIN,RST RST -m limit --limit 1/s -j ACCEPT
13:52<dli>webtech_m33, that's for 1 second limit
13:52<nubbun>What are the proper paths to give dselect for the etch DVD to use it as install medium?
13:53<nubbun>I think I got something wrong because installing packages failed.
13:53|-|oscar [~oscar@c915103d.virtua.com.br] has joined #debian
13:53<dli>nubbun, why use deselect? use synaptic, or aptitude
13:54<nubbun>dli are they command line?
13:54<nubbun>text?
13:54|-|lancetw [lancetw@140.128.101.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:54<dli>nubbun, aptitude is cli
13:55|-|mikail [~mikail@e177103248.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
13:55<nubbun>I think the answer is: because the last time I installed debian was about 10 years ago, and it was dselect only then. ;-)
13:55<dli>nubbun, oh, you mean to install from dvd, try apt-cdrom
13:55<nubbun>thanks, if is in base, it should be installed.
13:56<dli>nubbun, sorry, I thought you were installing packages to watch dvd
13:56|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:56|-|stroyan [~mike@207.189.196.153] has joined #debian
13:57|-|nubbun [~KVIrc@d83-176-145-166.cust.tele2.de] has quit [Quit: Thanks, dli. Good night.]
13:57|-|trebol6 [~h@149.9.0.108] has joined #debian
13:58|-|sepski [~sep@217.17.211.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:00|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has quit [Quit: That's all for now, folks]
14:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
14:00|-|cui [kubus_mara@222.124.158.182] has joined #debian
14:00<oscar>#debian-es
14:01<ciol>my answer to Wouter: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg251218.html
14:01<ciol>what do you think?
14:03|-|dani [~dani@204.pool85-58-58.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #debian
14:04|-|H [~h@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:05<tycale>How copy a directory with Konsole ? cp works only for file :s
14:06<dli>tycale, cp -a
14:06<tycale>thanks
14:06|-|marko [marko@c-323c71d5.017-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #debian
14:06<dli>tycale, or, cp -R , depends
14:06<tycale>ok
14:06<tycale>a works :)
14:07|-|jae [~jae@d254228.dialin.hansenet.de] has joined #debian
14:08<marko>i installed a new kernel, and now my usb hdd takes like 5-10 minutes to mount, any ideas what i might have been doing wrong?
14:08|-|lambda [~lambda@88-137-43-128.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #debian
14:08|-|webtech_m33 [user@webtech.m33access.com] has left #debian []
14:09|-|fixxxer [~fixxxer@189.135.133.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:09|-|gabrix [~gabrix@host31-146-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:10|-|marko [marko@c-323c71d5.017-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit []
14:10|-|marko [marko@c-323c71d5.017-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #debian
14:11<tycale>I've got a problem with my apache/php server , look --> http://tycale.is-a-geek.com
14:13|-|makke [~makke@p50913CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
14:13|-|Sub-Zero [~desk@190.72.134.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:13<fxiny>tycale: LV something is a pass ?
14:13<fxiny>:)
14:13|-|charogne [~sam@dsl-10-130-42.b2b2c.ca] has joined #debian
14:14<fxiny>whata a geek :P
14:14<tycale>LV ? I speak a little bit english :p
14:14<tycale>ha
14:14|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
14:14<tycale>okay :p
14:14<fxiny>it is ?
14:14<fxiny>heheheeh
14:14<tycale>:p
14:14<fxiny>super geek !
14:14|-|Andreas [~tille@pD95143A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
14:14<dli>tycale, php is not running? install libapache2-mod-php5
14:14<tycale>It's for fun ;o
14:14|-|alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #debian
14:15<fxiny>ok ok : fun saves all the queens ;)
14:15<fxiny>and the php regime ....
14:15<tycale>Not found Oo
14:16|-|grochap [~grochap@200.170.243.154] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
14:16|-|ciol_ [~ciol@dyn-91-163-154-146.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #debian
14:17<tycale>Have to lunch
14:18|-|romulon [~romulon@host86-147-59-91.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
14:18|-|romulon [~romulon@host86-147-59-91.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit []
14:20<cui>hope he change that LV asap, i just loged in
14:20|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:21|-|ciol [~ciol@91.164.123.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:22<fxiny>cui: oh , i'll tell him again
14:22<cui>easy,... no harm done
14:22<fxiny>tycale: ehi : close the door !
14:23|-|lambda [~lambda@88-137-43-128.adslgp.cegetel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:25<fxiny>amazing :P
14:26<tycale>Back !
14:26<fxiny>quick quick
14:27<tycale>Yes :p
14:27<tycale>Then, What I have to do ?
14:27<cui>reformat & reinstall
14:28<tycale>You can do that on your computer if you want :-° It's not my problem.
14:28<tycale>cui:
14:28|-|muammar [~muammar@200.71.131.18] has joined #debian
14:28<tycale>LV ?
14:30|-|franklin [~fpiat@klabs.be] has joined #debian
14:31|-|Samika [~chatzilla@ip-248.net-81-220-189.roubaix.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #debian
14:31<Samika>Hello
14:31<Samika>Can iget some help over network install?
14:31|-|madroach [madroach.d@p5B118608.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
14:32<dli>!tell Samika about anyone
14:32|-|junio [~junio@201.47.177.3.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #debian []
14:32<Samika>?
14:33<tycale>Bouhahaha :(
14:33<Samika>!ask
14:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
14:34<tycale>I've got a problem with my apache/php server , look --> http://tycale.is-a-geek.com
14:34<Samika>I have a problem with network install flyppy images , when i try to rawrite networkdrivers 1.img or something like that, it says me he cant read the iamge file
14:34|-|franklin [~fpiat@klabs.be] has quit []
14:37|-|manel [~manel@189.134.119.217] has joined #debian
14:38<dli>Samika, is floppy the only way?
14:38<Samika>sorry
14:39<Samika>you eman tehre a problem wiht floppy images?
14:39<Samika>mean theres*
14:39<Samika>with*
14:40|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has joined #debian
14:40<cui>try fdimage, maybe rawrite doesn't support img formats, maybe...
14:41|-|lambda [~lambda@84.5.100.12] has joined #debian
14:42|-|alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Quit: Superkb 0.10 released: http://superkb.sf.net/]
14:42|-|alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #debian
14:42|-|kuchenmonster [~weechat@e182024151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
14:42<Samika>ok i'll try it
14:42<Samika>then
14:42|-|alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit []
14:42<Samika>i use win
14:42<Samika>cant use linux stuff
14:42|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:42|-|alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #debian
14:43<tycale>Can you help me for my php/apache server ? http://tycale.is-a-geek.com Problem with php files !
14:43|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
14:43<dli>tycale, I mentioned the php module, relevant?
14:44<tycale>sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 ?
14:44|-|`villain` [villain@83.146.91.195] has quit [Quit: ðÏËÉÄÁÀ]
14:44<tiCo>libapache2-mod-php5 afaik or something like that
14:44<tiCo>yes
14:44<tiCo>what about reading documentation? :)
14:44<dli>tycale, yes, I said so
14:44<tycale>0 paquets mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 87 non mis à jour.
14:44<tycale>It's say : Nothing to do.
14:44<dli>tycale, already installed? try to restart apache2
14:45<tycale>yes
14:45|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:46<tycale>I try it with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
14:46|-|marko [marko@c-323c71d5.017-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar]
14:46|-|Piet_ [~piet@tor.noreply.org] has joined #debian
14:46<dli>tycale, check /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load
14:47<tycale>LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so
14:47|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has joined #debian
14:48|-|eevee [~brian@ckc-112-14.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:48<tycale>and I've this file too
14:48|-|dooglus_ [~dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #debian
14:48<frank>available is nice, but enabled is what counts ;) a2enmod php5
14:48|-|dooglus [~dooglus@rincevent.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:49|-|stroyan [~mike@207.189.196.153] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:49|-|giomasce [~giovanni@host-84-220-230-144.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:50<tycale>frank: What do you want I do ?
14:50|-|ameyer [~cheesebon@adsl-75-57-176-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:50|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:52<[gloom]>tycale: frank is telling you to run: a2enmod php5 to enable php5 module in apache2
14:52<frank>i didn't get the beginning of your discussion, just read, something about /etc/apache2/mods-available.., just wanna say that only mods which are linked in mods-enabled are loaded, if php5 is not linked in mods-enabled type 'a2enmod php5'
14:52|-|Piet [~piet@tor.noreply.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:52<tycale>Tycalinux:~# a2enmod php5
14:52<tycale>This module is already enabled!
14:53<dli>tycale, yes, it should be so by debconf :( puzzling
14:54<dli>tycale, are you sure you don't have apache v1 installed? I made the mistake once
14:54<dli>tycale, check apache2 logs
14:54<tycale>Yes, apache1 is installed too :s
14:54<cui>tycale: is 'phptest.php' is what should be shown when i entered your site?
14:55<tycale>no :p
14:55|-|lunatic [~francois@erlannic.irisa.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:55|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
14:55<dli>cui, it's a "Hello World"
14:56<tycale>dead now :s
14:56<dli>tycale, for debugging, remove apache 1, stop apache2, "nmap localhost" to make sure they are stopped, and start apace2
14:56<tycale>i libapache2-mod-php5
14:56<tycale>i apache2
14:57<cui>dli: yeah i mean if it is, then i think it should be placed in htdocs somethin
14:57<tycale>apache2 doesn't work :s
14:57<dli>tycale, I onced got apache1 running, and kept tweaking apache2 conf
14:57<dli>tycale, as I said, for debugging
14:58<tycale>"nmap localhost" = ?
14:58<dli>tycale, to make sure 80/tcp is not open
14:58|-|Swissgent [~upvr@80-218-151-120.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
14:58|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
14:58|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
14:58|-|Sub-Zero [~desk@190.72.134.100] has joined #debian
14:58<tycale>I've to type it in console ? :s
14:59<tycale>bash: nmap: command not found
14:59<dli>tycale, install nmap first
14:59<frank>just use netstat
14:59<frank>e.g. netstat -tulpen
14:59<tycale>PORT STATE SERVICE
14:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:59<tycale>25/tcp open smtp
15:00<tycale>111/tcp open rpcbind
15:00<tycale>113/tcp open auth
15:00<tycale>631/tcp open ipp
15:00<tycale>902/tcp open iss-realsecure-sensor
15:00<tycale>3306/tcp open mysql
15:00|-|tycale kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
15:00|-|vastinfest [~vastinfes@193.219.74.98] has joined #debian
15:00|-|tycale [~tycale@30.143-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #debian
15:00<tycale>><
15:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
15:00<dli>!tell tycale about paste
15:00<tycale>yeah, i know sorry
15:00<dli>tycale, start apache2
15:01<tycale>/etc/init.d/apache2 start
15:01<tycale>tycale@Tycalinux:~$
15:01|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:01<tycale>Do nothing
15:01<dli>tycale, only root can do that?
15:01|-|knovak [~knovak@77-56-103-254.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:02<tycale>Try in root, the same.
15:02|-|Greg [~warlocked@68.113.105.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:02<dli>tycale, sounds like I was correct, you kept tweaking apache2, while using apache1
15:02|-|myles [~myles@CPE0050181121d5-CM0012254493da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Goodbye]
15:03<Requiem>debian is hard to install?
15:03<dli>tycale, check logs to find out why apache2 doesn't start
15:03<tycale>Where is this log ? :s
15:03|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:03<dli>tycale, /var/log/
15:03<dli>tycale, /var/log/apache2/
15:03<Requiem>also: klamav in lenny is completely and utterly broken
15:03<tycale>Tycalinux:/home/tycale# cd /etc/init.d/apache
15:03<tycale>apache apache2
15:04<tycale>Oo, I remove it !?!
15:04<dli>tycale, no need, just fix apache2
15:04|-|zapw [zapw@87.69.59.246.cable.012.net.il] has joined #debian
15:04|-|zapw [zapw@87.69.59.246.cable.012.net.il] has quit []
15:05<tycale>error.log is empty
15:05<tycale>access.log, the same
15:05<dli>tycale, one n00b way would be: " aptitude --purge remove apache2; aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 "
15:05<dli>tycale, by default, it should work
15:06<tycale>I do that and it's doesn't work !
15:06|-|phoohb [~per@201.4.185.213.se-stf.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #debian
15:07<dli>tycale, you did purge?
15:07<tycale>Yes
15:07|-|d0rt [~ni@d210h64.public.simons-rock.edu] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
15:11|-|astral [~astral@p54935665.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:11|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has quit [Quit: cahoot]
15:12|-|Frolic [~ederm@frolic.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
15:12<cobra>Gute Nacht alle miteinander
15:12|-|djosr1939 [~don@adsl-76-214-146-21.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
15:13|-|lancetw [lancetw@140.128.101.9] has joined #debian
15:14|-|cobra [~cobra@p54AED28D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
15:15|-|Gilgamesh-Sama [Gilgamesh@201.29.45.141] has joined #debian
15:15|-|Gilgamesh-Sama [Gilgamesh@201.29.45.141] has left #debian []
15:18|-|djosr1939 [~don@adsl-76-214-146-21.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
15:22|-|sindreij [~sindre@ti221110a081-8038.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:22|-|astral [~astral@p549358CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
15:23|-|Gregory [~greg@68.113.105.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:25|-|MAKC [~MAKC@users.telesweet.net] has quit [Quit: User ÒÐÊ "Òåëåñâèò"]
15:27|-|rjent_ [~rjent@204.184.227.250] has quit [Quit: Gone.]
15:27|-|fxiny [~fxiny@host137-27-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #debian []
15:27|-|MiR_ [~ritch@d86-33-236-84.cust.tele2.at] has quit [Quit: bye]
15:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 322] by debhelper
15:29<Samika>btw i found the solution to my problem it was because rawrite didnt support non 8.3 dos names
15:29<Samika>thanx to dli
15:30|-|vin` [~nach@adsl21-23.qualitynet.net] has quit [Quit: .]
15:30<dli>Samika, nice to know :)
15:30<Samika>see you
15:30|-|Samika [~chatzilla@ip-248.net-81-220-189.roubaix.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.6/2007072518]]
15:31|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:32|-|ciol_ [~ciol@dyn-91-163-154-146.ppp.tiscali.fr] has quit [Quit: ciol_]
15:32|-|naikonix [~naikonix@80.94.234.164] has joined #debian
15:32<naikonix>bvgb
15:33|-|naikonix [~naikonix@80.94.234.164] has quit []
15:33|-|nemrac [~nemrac@62.43.143.156.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
15:34|-|makke [~makke@p50913CD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:36|-|lane [~lane@213-140-17-108.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #debian
15:37|-|lane changed nick to Guest1592
15:37|-|turnschuh [~manu@p54885723.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:37|-|zophy[] [~vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
15:38|-|jae [~jae@d254228.dialin.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 314] by debhelper
15:42|-|jae [~jae@d252169.dialin.hansenet.de] has joined #debian
15:42|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.18] has joined #debian
15:42|-|cui [kubus_mara@222.124.158.182] has quit [Quit: Biru Suci Jl.P.H.H Mustofa No.98 Telp +62-22-7215392]
15:43|-|Guest1592 [~lane@213-140-17-108.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
15:44|-|flami [~WooOoo@85.94.226.94] has quit [Quit: Goin]
15:46|-|Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-92-132.buckeyecom.net] has joined #debian
15:46<Hostile>I'm having samba trouble, if I put my smb.conf on pastebin can someone take a look?
15:46|-|sandman [~sandman_@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
15:47|-|si0ux [~si0ux@201-048-208-161.static.ctbctelecom.com.br] has quit [Quit: cd ~]
15:48|-|Eulex [~alex@h74n1fls33o998.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:48<witte>Hostile: put it there and at least someone will have a look
15:48<witte>Hostile: no answers are guaranteed
15:49<Hostile>http://paste.debian.net/35232 - my smb.conf
15:49|-|phoohb [~per@201.4.185.213.se-stf.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
15:51<brislingf>hi there, how can i debug my apache server, i have a httpd (no pid file) not running failed error
15:51<the-dude>brislingf, check logfiles , turn logging on?
15:51<witte>Hostile: I am no samba expert, but what is the problem, so we can at least help search in the correct direction
15:52<Hostile>witte: when I try to browse on my other computers I see no shares, I can browse the home directory if I type it in manually, but for /multimedia it says share not found
15:52<brislingf>they aint saying much :( can i switch them to advanced level ?
15:53|-|betopena [~betopena@200.201.25.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:53<witte>Hostile: can you try to use smbclient to access the samba server?
15:54<witte>Hostile: or are the clients windows machines?
15:54|-|joesph-x [~joesph@p508156E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
15:54|-|gabbar [~zain@202.133.77.133] has joined #debian
15:54<Hostile>hmm how do I use smbclient?
15:55|-|octal [~alvarezp@201.139.193.235] has joined #debian
15:55<witte>I believe smbclient -Uuser -Wworkgroup -L servername
15:55<gabbar>hi everyone
15:55<gabbar>i need some help
15:55<gabbar>can somebody help me here
15:55<witte>!tell gabbar about ask
15:56<gabbar>i just installed ubuntu 5.04 for the first time
15:56<gabbar>after uninstalling windows
15:56|-|s0d0 [~john@host81-151-39-56.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
15:56<witte>gabbar: this is not #ubuntu you might get better help there
15:56|-|oscar [~oscar@c915103d.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
15:56<mikegrb>!ubuntu
15:56<dpkg>yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net - See also <based on debian caveats>.
15:57<gabbar>ok
15:57<gabbar>thank u
15:57<mikegrb>also, ubuntu 5.04 is pretty old I think?
15:57<Hostile>newest is 7.04
15:57|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
15:57<gabbar>yeah thats right
15:57|-|kuchenmonster [~weechat@e182024151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.5]
15:57<gabbar>thanks anyway
15:57|-|madroach [madroach.d@p5B118608.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
15:58|-|gabbar [~zain@202.133.77.133] has left #debian []
15:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
16:00|-|tcsetattr [pacman@dialup-4.252.233.91.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net] has joined #debian
16:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
16:01<brislingf>is it possible to get apache to through each vhost files ?
16:01|-|charogne [~sam@dsl-10-130-42.b2b2c.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving]
16:03|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:04<brislingf>my error.log says Unable to open logs :(
16:06<brislingf>anyone got any suggestions :)
16:07|-|padski [~paddy@ip-81-170-34-16.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #debian
16:08<padski>there is no "annually" option in logrotate ? :-(
16:08|-|KoRnfeld [~korny@ppp-62-245-210-220.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #debian
16:08<KoRnfeld>hi
16:08|-|waa [~waa@220112.static.ctb.virtua.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:09<padski>hi
16:09<KoRnfeld>currently my debian stable uses OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006
16:09|-|vnode [~oberon@f048237040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:09|-|junio [~junio@201.47.157.3.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #debian
16:09<padski>KoRnfeld, is that good ?
16:09<KoRnfeld>there are some security flaws in this version!
16:10<padski>KoRnfeld, this would be security flaws that are generally known about ?
16:11<KoRnfeld>openssl.org tells: OpenSSL 0.9.8d is now available, including security fixes
16:11<tcsetattr>look into /usr/share/doc/openssl/changelog.Debian.gz see if the fixes are in there
16:12|-|eugo [~eugo@134.130.78.41] has joined #debian
16:12|-|eugo [~eugo@134.130.78.41] has quit []
16:12|-|Inv_ [~alinh@89.35.26.189.sta.lgnet.ro] has joined #debian
16:12<padski>or see http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/
16:12<KoRnfeld>they can't be, because in 05 Sep 2006, these flaws were not fixed -_-
16:12|-|Inv_ [~alinh@89.35.26.189.sta.lgnet.ro] has left #debian []
16:12|-|betopena [~betopena@200.201.25.5] has joined #debian
16:13<tcsetattr>"05 Sep 2006" is not the date of the Debian package
16:13|-|oscar [~oscar@c915103d.virtua.com.br] has joined #debian
16:13<padski>KoRnfeld, security fixes do get backported, so you may find that holes that were fixed upstream in version d are fixed in debian in version c
16:13<oscar>#debian-es
16:13<tcsetattr>I'm gonna tell you again, look at /usr/share/doc/openssl/changelog.Debian.gz
16:13|-|jae [~jae@d252169.dialin.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:14<padski>KoRnfeld, for example, I have debian openssl 0.9.8c-4
16:15<KoRnfeld>okay, so i actually have a newer version than 0.9.8c ?
16:15<padski>KoRnfeld, changelog notes fixes for half a dozen CVEs
16:16<KoRnfeld>tcsetattr, sry, the server is currently down, but i will read it tomorow. thanks
16:16<Hostile>ahhh samba makes me want to scream
16:16<tcsetattr>although I will say that the current stable debian package does predate 0.9.8e which has "important" bug fixes
16:17|-|smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #debian
16:17<padski>KoRnfeld, if you stay up to date with the security feed, then look that url I gave you, you can see oustanding issues there.
16:17<KoRnfeld>okay, thank you padski, i will
16:18|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Seeing my great fault/ Through darkening blue windows/ I begin again]
16:18|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
16:18<padski>apparently etch is vulnerable to CVE-2007-3108
16:18|-|eleckttruss [~eleckttru@adsl-074-166-168-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
16:19|-|smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:19|-|tjol_ [someone@pD9E33E88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:19|-|muammar [~muammar@200.71.131.18] has quit [Quit: imagine a big red swirl here..!]
16:19<padski>there is a patch upstream.
16:19|-|dani_ [~dani@204.pool85-58-58.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #debian
16:19|-|upvr_ [~upvr@80-218-151-120.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
16:19|-|tycale_ [~tycale@30.143-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #debian
16:19|-|tycale [~tycale@30.143-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:19|-|nitiniu [~mirshafie@84-217-160-193.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:19|-|Swissgent [~upvr@80-218-151-120.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:19|-|dani [~dani@204.pool85-58-58.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:19|-|nitiniu [~mirshafie@84-217-160-193.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #debian
16:20|-|eleckttruss [~eleckttru@adsl-074-166-168-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit []
16:20|-|tjol [someone@pD9E33E88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
16:20|-|paulcager [~paul@cpc4-stok8-0-0-cust535.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
16:20<padski>nvd lists it as severity low, attack range local.
16:20<KoRnfeld>okay, thank you everyone
16:21|-|_RvGaTe [~rvgate-de@a187030.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #debian
16:21|-|nil_ [99063d2bed@pepin.poivron.org] has joined #debian
16:21|-|J0hnD0h [~jeff@82-43-204-218.cable.ubr01.mort.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
16:21|-|JonA_ [~jonathan@mampi.vm.bytemark.co.uk] has joined #debian
16:21|-|kooll [~samson_t@home.kooll.org] has joined #debian
16:21|-|EmleyMoo1 [phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com] has joined #debian
16:21|-|oskie_ [usel@h23n4-m-fb-gr100.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #debian
16:21|-|panthera_ [~daniel@unable-to-package.org] has joined #debian
16:22|-|panthera [~daniel@unable-to-package.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed]
16:22|-|JonA [~jonathan@mampi.vm.bytemark.co.uk] has quit [Write error: connection closed]
16:22|-|AndrewB [~andy@andrewbarber.co.uk] has quit [Write error: connection closed]
16:22|-|JohnDoh [~jeff@82-43-204-218.cable.ubr01.mort.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:22|-|nil [fa472dc2c2@pepin.poivron.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed]
16:22|-|oskie [usel@h23n4-m-fb-gr100.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Write error: connection closed]
16:22|-|EmleyMoor [phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com] has quit [Write error: connection closed]
16:22|-|koollman [~samson_t@home.kooll.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed]
16:22<padski>KoRnfeld, apparently the package with the fix in should transition from sid to lenny today
16:22|-|tjol [someone@pD9E33E88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:22<brislingf>found the problem..
16:22<brislingf>:)
16:22|-|RvGaTe [~rvgate-de@a187030.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds]
16:23|-|_RvGaTe changed nick to RvGaTe
16:23|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host113-126-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
16:23|-|AndrewB [~andy@212.13.194.124] has joined #debian
16:23[~]piozzo hola
16:23<dondelelcaro>piozzo: yeah, it's #438142 et al.
16:24|-|joesph-x [~joesph@p508156E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
16:24|-|javamaniac [~gerardo@pwnd.gerardo.com.ve] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds]
16:24<KoRnfeld>padski, nice ^^ that's how i call a reliable os
16:24|-|tjol [someone@pD9E33E88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
16:24|-|javamaniac [~gerardo@pwnd.gerardo.com.ve] has joined #debian
16:26|-|rugg [~rugg@c-68-58-206-36.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #debian
16:27<brislingf>anyone tried the proftpd and mysql on debian section at www.howtoforge.com?
16:27<padski>brislingf, nope. any good ?
16:27|-|rugg [~rugg@c-68-58-206-36.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has quit []
16:27<brislingf>well ive got a little problem, i can login with my ftp client but i cant upload :(
16:27|-|jae [~jae@d253096.dialin.hansenet.de] has joined #debian
16:28|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
16:28<padski>brislingf, what do you want ftp for ?
16:28|-|MSameerWork [~mohammed@cs181150042.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:28<KoRnfeld>brislingf, you have an error message?
16:28<brislingf>got a little webserver for some friends and tried to minimize my time on support :)
16:28<brislingf>and they all got windows boxes
16:28<padski>brislingf, tell em to use winscp
16:29<padski>brislingf :-)
16:29|-|popeye [~fhwro@69.15.81.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:29<padski>brislingf, but KoRnfeld is right. what error ?
16:30|-|dutche [~dutche@200.169.133.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:30|-|E0x [~moya@133.87.3.196.l.sta.codetel.net.do] has quit [Quit: off]
16:30|-|M0ffe [~moffe@smaug.amagerkollegiet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:31|-|M0ffe [~moffe@smaug.amagerkollegiet.dk] has joined #debian
16:31|-|periclez [~periclez@201-212-224-195.cab.prima.net.ar] has joined #debian
16:31<padski>Once, at a place I worked, I went to see the company comms specialist. ftp was the only way to get files anywhere in the company (except for one old tape machine).
16:31<brislingf>well i dont get any error.. thats my problem.. its just disconnect when it tries to upload:(
16:31<padski>brislingf, what client are you using ?
16:32<KoRnfeld>cYa
16:32|-|KoRnfeld [~korny@ppp-62-245-210-220.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
16:32<brislingf>aceftp
16:33<padski>new one on me. did ya try the stock debian command-line ftp on the loopback ?
16:33<brislingf>nope
16:34<padski>brislingf, :-)
16:34|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:34|-|periclez [~periclez@201-212-224-195.cab.prima.net.ar] has left #debian []
16:35|-|elbow [~elbow@acfj188.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
16:35|-|oscar [~oscar@c915103d.virtua.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:35<padski>I only came in for whinge about logrotate ;-)
16:35|-|elbow [~elbow@acfj188.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit []
16:36<brislingf>hmm trying the winscp :)
16:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 306] by debhelper
16:39|-|M0ffe [~moffe@smaug.amagerkollegiet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:39|-|myles [~myles@bas10-toronto12-1096760625.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
16:39<padski>brislingf, don't get me wrong. I'm very fond of ftp, and it is still very useful, and certainly something to have handy, but it has weaknesses: overly complex (features from another age), poor NAT traversal and consequently an SSL version lost at sea, and hence passwords in plaintext. for the application you describe, I would use scp.
16:39<brislingf>hmm
16:40<brislingf>is it easy to administrate?
16:40<padski>scp ?
16:40|-|oscar [~oscar@c915103d.virtua.com.br] has joined #debian
16:40<oscar>#debian-es
16:40<witte>brislingf: there are windows clients where you have two windows where you can drag from one screen to an other
16:40<padski>brislingf, depends what you are doing. take a look at scponly if you want chroots.
16:41<witte>brislingf: and you can give them an account without access as padski says
16:41<Hostile>how do I set in my fstab so it mounts my samba mount automatically as my user not as root?
16:42|-|M0ffe [~moffe@smaug.amagerkollegiet.dk] has joined #debian
16:42<padski>witte, I've yet to come up with a really satisfactory way of managing the small number of binaries in the chroot, but I don't think it really matters much :-)
16:42<[gloom]>Hostile: uid=username as option does not the wok?
16:42<[gloom]>work*
16:43<Hostile>let me try that
16:43<Hostile>[gloom]: works thanks
16:43<brislingf>lets say that i want the to upload their files to their website without much interferring from my side.. it would be lovely
16:43<[gloom]>np
16:44|-|oddtod [~chump@72.168.46.22] has left #debian []
16:44<witte>padski: that true :-)
16:44<padski>brislingf, that is the usual admin preference, yes.
16:44<witte>brislingf: you can consider something php-alike or a wiki :-)
16:45<seanius>there's a number of cms solutions out there, but most of them either suck or are super complicated, or both
16:45|-|Andreas [~tille@pD95143A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
16:45<padski>brislingf, the main overhead is account setup, and that is pretty cookie cutter.
16:46|-|aitiba [~aitiba@eu85-86-219-88.clientes.euskaltel.es] has joined #debian
16:46|-|upvr_ [~upvr@80-218-151-120.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:47|-|Mercury-80 [~Mercury-8@cpe-66-67-136-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
16:48|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
16:48|-|thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179014028.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:48<Hostile>can I set samba so when remote users write files it puts specific permissions on them?
16:48<padski>brislingf, are you talking about stuff like wiki/cms. you're just virtual hosting for your friends, yeah ?
16:48<brislingf>nope most of them are stupid-codewriters
16:48<brislingf>but aint into servers, just the coding..
16:48|-|ascii [~ascii@ALagny-151-1-59-203.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
16:48<padski>brislingf, what is this "stupid-code" we hear so much about ? ;-)
16:48<witte>Hostile: have a look at acl
16:49<brislingf>a more appropriate word would be newbie php coders from public school
16:49|-|jdhore [~jd@pool-71-163-62-32.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #debian
16:49|-|MaZ- [~maz@88.212.134.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:49<seanius>Hostile: as well as "create mask" i think
16:49|-|k-man__ [~jason@ppp59-167-15-68.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #debian
16:49<padski>I take it you are in the US and not referring to the web development craze that recently swept Eton ?
16:50<brislingf>so it would be nice to give them some play ground
16:50<brislingf>nope europe
16:50|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has joined #debian
16:50|-|jdhore [~jd@pool-71-163-62-32.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit []
16:50<padski>brislingf, yeah, so scp is great. I dunno whether debian has some web interface that would give you ssh key upload like you get on sourceforge ?
16:50<witte>brislingf: I would give them an account where they can play, but with limits
16:51<witte>brislingf: only limited to their ~/public_html
16:51<[gloom]>Stupid-code: Rule 5: Data dominates. If you have chosen the right data structures and organized things well, the algorithms will almost always be self-evident. Data structures, not algorithms, are central to programming.. Rule 5 is often shortened to "write stupid code that uses smart data".
16:52<padski>[gloom], thank you, that was most enlightening :-)
16:52|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has left #debian []
16:52<[gloom]>Rule 5 on the Pike Rules. For mor info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy
16:52<[gloom]>more*
16:53|-|Waddledee [~waddledee@c-24-18-0-114.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
16:53<brislingf>:)
16:53|-|mikail [~mikail@e177103248.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:54|-|Mercury-80 changed nick to mercury80
16:54|-|flycode [~flycode@200-140-66-197.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
16:54<brislingf>well thinks that it is nice that the young people are exploring the opportunities of bits and baud ;)
16:54<brislingf>s
16:54|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:54<padski>[gloom], yeah. KISS.
16:54<[gloom]>great truth!
16:54|-|mercury80 [~Mercury-8@cpe-66-67-136-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Peace]
16:55|-|k-man_ [~jason@59.167.7.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:55|-|mercury80 [~mercury80@cpe-66-67-136-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
16:55|-|witte [~witte@kulnet-nat-2.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.1.1]
16:57|-|mercury80 [~mercury80@cpe-66-67-136-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit []
16:57|-|ernesto [~ernesto@WLL-40-pppoe065.t-net.net.ve] has joined #debian
16:57|-|oscar [~oscar@c915103d.virtua.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:58|-|octal [~alvarezp@201.139.193.235] has quit [Quit: octal]
16:58|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has joined #debian
16:59<padski>do I care about having lsb on my box ?
16:59|-|alex____ [~email@78.86.117.217] has joined #debian
16:59|-|mercury80 [~mercury80@cpe-66-67-136-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
16:59|-|paulcager [~paul@cpc4-stok8-0-0-cust535.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
16:59<brislingf>so where are you all located on this planet ?
16:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
17:00<padski>england
17:00|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has quit []
17:00<brislingf>Denmark :)
17:00|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has joined #debian
17:00<Waddledee>Washington state.
17:01<padski>can I safely do just the libc from etch r1 or do I need the kernel for the ABI bump at the same time ?
17:02|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has quit []
17:02<padski>gobjc 4.2 is in experimental and still no armel packages :-(
17:02<[gloom]>Spain
17:02|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has joined #debian
17:04|-|piper [~piper@cpe-74-77-214-66.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
17:05|-|Origin [~Origin@c-24-62-243-10.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:05|-|matta [~matt@bas2-kingston08-1167933472.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
17:05|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has quit []
17:06|-|padski [~paddy@ip-81-170-34-16.cust.homechoice.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:06<brislingf>hmm a nice mix:)
17:08<brislingf>time to go.. cya
17:08|-|tiCo [mario@mailrelay.dmz.grenchen.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:08<[gloom]>see ya
17:09|-|brislingf [~brislingf@87.61.38.237] has quit []
17:09|-|padski [~padski@ip-81-170-34-16.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #debian
17:10|-|almanocturna [~almanoctu@eu83-213-231-30.clientes.euskaltel.es] has joined #debian
17:10|-|almanocturna changed nick to [s0]-ciber
17:10|-|[s0]-ciber [~almanoctu@eu83-213-231-30.clientes.euskaltel.es] has quit []
17:11|-|donfede [~grauf@castor.rfa.org] has quit [Quit: game over]
17:11|-|Sub-Zero [~desk@190.72.134.100] has quit [Quit: Bond^Script † By: ^Bond007^† www.BondScript.tk]
17:11|-|sandman [~sandman_@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:12|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has joined #debian
17:12|-|Kross [gilgamesh@201.29.85.75] has left #debian []
17:13|-|sandman [~sandman_@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
17:14|-|Lin_ [~igor@189.25.224.60] has joined #debian
17:15|-|_RvGaTe [~rvgate-de@a187030.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #debian
17:15<qbit>exit
17:17|-|ketone [~oz@77-97-178-10.cable.ubr02.roth.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
17:19|-|Lin_ [~igor@189.25.224.60] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
17:20|-|[gloom] changed nick to [6equj5]
17:21|-|ao2_ [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:21|-|RvGaTe [~rvgate-de@a187030.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:21|-|_RvGaTe changed nick to RvGaTe
17:21|-|[6equj5] changed nick to [gloom]
17:24|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has quit [Quit: That's all for now, folks]
17:25|-|popeye [~fhwro@69.15.81.122] has joined #debian
17:27|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
17:29|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:32|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
17:37|-|sandman [~sandman_@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:37|-|nirgal [nirgal@sodium.nirgal.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
17:38|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:38|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
17:40|-|bl4de [~ritter@p549CA328.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:41|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Seeing my great fault/ Through darkening blue windows/ I begin again]
17:42|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-34-135.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:42|-|LightKnight [~gabry@adsl-122-76.37-151.net24.it] has joined #debian
17:42|-|Aicart [~aideb@193.153.83.243] has joined #debian
17:43|-|vastinfest [~vastinfes@193.219.74.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:43|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:43<padski>how can I tell if a package is abandonned upstream ?
17:44|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
17:44<Requiem>www.test.com
17:45|-|wycked [wycked@ver44-2-82-242-128-153.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
17:45<Requiem>hmm
17:45<LightKnight>For example, no home page or home page abandoned since long
17:45|-|ELSEGO [~nuseyo@220.Red-88-12-215.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
17:45<padski>LightKnight: I'm kinda hoping that the answer is already codified
17:45<Requiem>okay, some urls working, but still trying to look in my home directory for www.whatever.com
17:45<Requiem>bah
17:46|-|Pabellon [~NA@nat.ivenue.com] has joined #debian
17:46<padski>take for example logrotate
17:48|-|roger [~roger@201.255.190.146] has joined #debian
17:48<roger>hola
17:48<roger>alguien me puede dar una mano con beryl?
17:48<padski>which by the looks of things is a redhat package, and thus presumably still maintained upstream if it has not been replaced there.
17:48<padski>!es
17:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:49|-|Zsak [~kurumin@201-69-58-186.dial-up.telesp.net.br] has joined #debian
17:49|-|DerX [~cwerner@pD9564CC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
17:49|-|ELSEGO [~nuseyo@220.Red-88-12-215.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #debian [Sayonara .. Babies]
17:49<Zsak>ola
17:49<padski>roger: I don't speak spanish, but I followed something like http://technowizah.com/2007/02/debian-how-to-aiglx-beryl.html
17:50|-|oscar [~oscar@c915103d.virtua.com.br] has joined #debian
17:50<oscar>debian-es
17:50<oscar>#debian-es
17:50<padski>try /join #foo
17:50|-|Zsak [~kurumin@201-69-58-186.dial-up.telesp.net.br] has quit []
17:51<Pabellon>I have this document that's in chinese, it displays correctly under X, but when I copy & paste to the console all the characters look like squares, what do I need to do so I can see them correctly?
17:51<azeem>Pabellon: use a utf-8 enabled console with utf-8 console fonts, I guess
17:51<[gloom]>hehehe
17:51|-|MaZ- [~maz@88.212.134.238] has joined #debian
17:51<padski>Pabellon: do you happen to know if its in utf8 ?
17:52|-|Aicart [~aideb@193.153.83.243] has quit [Quit: http://cronistes.cat | http://myspace.com/Cronistes]
17:52<Pabellon>padski, yes it is
17:53<Pabellon>azeem, I am using xterm (Unicode)
17:53<padski>Pabellon: that utf8 console that azeem mentioned sounds good :-)
17:54|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
17:54[~]mankod is away: no toy
17:54|-|wycked [wycked@ver44-2-82-242-128-153.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
17:55|-|guillaume_ [~guillaume@57.164.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #debian
17:55|-|Morphous changed nick to Amorphous
17:56|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:58|-|roger [~roger@201.255.190.146] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
17:59<padski>number 216 in an infinite sequence of humourless comments: from logrotate actually ...
17:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:00<padski>"/* FIXME: only days=1 is implemented!! */"
18:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
18:00<padski>do we think they will take a patch ?
18:00|-|tycale_ [~tycale@30.143-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:04|-|gravity [~david@dsl092-079-075.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #debian
18:04|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.196.238] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
18:04|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.196.238] has joined #debian
18:08<Pabellon>seems I just needed to use uxterm, thanks
18:09|-|Pabellon [~NA@nat.ivenue.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:10|-|aitiba [~aitiba@eu85-86-219-88.clientes.euskaltel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:11|-|DerX [~cwerner@pD9564CC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:12|-|greg [~greg@efk35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
18:12<greg>witam
18:12<padski>witam ?
18:12<greg>i have a question my totem player doesn't open swf files
18:12<greg>what should i do?
18:13<greg>?
18:13<lupine>install gnash ?
18:14|-|fuad [~fuad@125.162.210.185] has joined #debian
18:15|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
18:16|-|the-dude [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:17|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:17|-|Zaka [~asdasd@84.120.65.174.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
18:17|-|alex____ [~email@78.86.117.217] has quit [Quit: ircN 8.00 for mIRC (20070730)]
18:18|-|abrotman [~abrotman@c-71-230-49-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
18:18<Zaka>hello, lenny is the latest version of pakages? or some other more newest?
18:18<[gloom]>Zaka: multilingual?
18:18<[gloom]>:D
18:19<Zaka>sip :D
18:19|-|Ohax [~Ohax@6tl54-1-82-236-130-86.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
18:19<Zaka>coz no one answer there:P
18:19|-|Ohax [~Ohax@6tl54-1-82-236-130-86.fbx.proxad.net] has quit []
18:19<lupine>Zaka: unstable (sid) and experimental have later versions of various packages
18:20<[gloom]>Zaka: i answered on the other channel:D
18:20<Zaka>hahahaha
18:21<Zaka>lupine thanx, from where can i download it? cdimage.debian.org dont work now
18:22|-|gandalf_ [~gandalf@arl57-2-82-241-96-158.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:22|-|Trashynovel [~Rubbishbo@145.175.adsl.brightview.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:22<greg>how i can install gnash?
18:22|-|stroyan [~mike@207.189.196.153] has joined #debian
18:22|-|emonge [~emonge@201.247.69.2] has joined #debian
18:23|-|Atlantiz [~nix@pool-96-225-116-148.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #debian
18:23<greg>i wrote tar - zxvf gnash-0.8.0.tar.gz
18:23<greg>and when i want to do make.. i cant
18:23|-|guillaume_ [~guillaume@57.164.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: guillaume_]
18:24|-|k-man__ [~jason@ppp59-167-15-68.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:24|-|Atlantiz [~nix@pool-96-225-116-148.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit []
18:25<greg>?
18:26|-|Disputin [~disp@c-24-20-92-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
18:26<mankod>gnash - free Flash movie player
18:26<mankod>apt-get install gnash
18:27<mercury80>greg, did you do ./configure first?
18:27<mercury80>if it needs it
18:27<mercury80>I don't know, never installed it
18:27|-|Trashynovel [~Rubbishbo@145.175.adsl.brightview.com] has joined #debian
18:27<mercury80>but if you're compiling, that's probably necessary
18:27<greg>bash: /configure: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu
18:28<greg>in english there is no file
18:28<mercury80>that's dot slash configure, correct?
18:28<greg>yep
18:28<mercury80>ok, what's the error make throws?
18:28<greg>when i put dot it's the same
18:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 300] by debhelper
18:29<mercury80>or at least, if you could paste the tail of the output
18:29<greg>when i wrote make the message was
18:29|-|knoppix_ [~knoppix@adsl-067-035-118-193.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
18:29<greg>there is no object and cant find makefile
18:29<mercury80>hmmm
18:30|-|knoppix_ changed nick to Guest1606
18:30<mercury80>you got the tarball from the gnu site, correct?
18:30|-|Waddledee [~waddledee@c-24-18-0-114.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *wanders*]
18:30<mercury80>(I'll download and give compiling a go, running etch)
18:32|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.18] has joined #debian
18:33|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
18:33<greg>eh i am going to find better way.. install from .deb file
18:33<mercury80>hmmm, I think you have a bad tarball or something
18:33<mercury80>./configure works for me
18:33|-|Pabellon [~NA@nat.ivenue.com] has joined #debian
18:33<Pabellon>hi again
18:33<greg>eh
18:33<greg>gnash.deb need libc6
18:34<mercury80>ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/gnu/gnash/0.8.0/gnash-0.8.0.tar.gz download and extract that one
18:34<Pabellon>actually it was the font size I was using (non-standard)
18:34<mercury80>then cd into the directory and run ./configure again
18:34<greg>and lib6 conflict with tzdata
18:35<mercury80>which distro are you running? (etch, sid?)
18:35<mercury80>if the deb you're trying to install is for a different distro, it's probably not going to work ;)
18:35<greg>etch
18:35<mercury80>ok
18:36<mercury80>are you trying to install the deb from unstable?
18:36|-|junio [~junio@201.47.157.3.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:36<mercury80>because that would account for the libc6 error
18:36<greg>so what i should do?
18:36<mercury80>ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/gnu/gnash/0.8.0/gnash-0.8.0.tar.gz try that one
18:36<azeem>either install the stable gnash, or backport the unstable gnash to stable
18:37<mercury80>didn't know there was a stable gnash?
18:37<greg>i dont know
18:37<azeem>then it would be option #2
18:37<azeem>there isn't, it seems
18:37|-|Guest1606 [~knoppix@adsl-067-035-118-193.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:37|-|junio [~junio@201.47.157.3.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #debian
18:37<mercury80>seriously ;) use the link I just posted, extract it, cd in, and run ./configure
18:38<mercury80>dunno where you got your tarball the first time, but configure definitely works
18:38<azeem>if you have the correct development tools
18:38<mercury80>it was giving him a "file not found" error before
18:38<azeem>also greg wrote "/configure" before
18:38<azeem>not "./configure"
18:39<mercury80>that might cause it ;)
18:39<mercury80>hmm, gnash isn't even in backports :(
18:39<greg>;]
18:39<mercury80>greg, if you don't want to compile, you could just install macromedia's plugin
18:40<mercury80>it's a bit unstable, but it's a lot easier to install
18:40<greg>ye but macromedia doesnt opening swf files on my disk
18:40<mercury80>well if you have the plugin installed, point your web browser at the file
18:40<mercury80>and it will open in the browser just fine
18:41<mercury80>you could even set swf files to open with firefox or whatever you use
18:41|-|linac [~lin@121.41.74.172] has joined #debian
18:42<mercury80>if you have nonfree enabled (you can do it in synaptic), you can install flash 9 from apt
18:42|-|evilgold [~evilgold@pool-96-228-2-161.rcmdva.east.verizon.net] has joined #debian
18:43|-|CompWizrd [~compwiz@d57-79-164.home.cgocable.net] has joined #debian
18:44<azeem>I don't think flash is in non-free
18:45<ranix>mercury80: that's not funny, my best friend died that way
18:45<azeem>hrm, there's still flashplugin-nonfree it seems
18:45|-|ernesto [~ernesto@WLL-40-pppoe065.t-net.net.ve] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:45|-|fuad [~fuad@125.162.210.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:45<mercury80>using apt to install flash? lol
18:45<dondelelcaro>azeem: technically you're correct; that's just the installer.
18:46<mercury80>it still installs the plugin though, so problem solved
18:46<mercury80>hmmm I need to clean up my sources list...
18:46<mercury80>I have at least 3 different flash plugins coming up
18:47<azeem>dondelelcaro: yeah, but I thought those installers disappeared for etch as well
18:47|-|J1G [~J1G@host235-114-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: bye *]
18:48|-|tiCo [mario@2002:d5dd:ffc8::1] has joined #debian
18:49|-|octal [~alvarezp@201.139.193.235] has joined #debian
18:51<dondelelcaro>azeem: ah; yeah, dunno if they actually made it into the release
18:51<dondelelcaro>looks like it made it
18:52|-|octal [~alvarezp@201.139.193.235] has quit []
18:52|-|octal [~alvarezp@201.139.193.235] has joined #debian
18:52|-|emonge [~emonge@201.247.69.2] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
18:54|-|sandman [~sandman_@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
18:55<chealer>azeem: they did, but there's the question of what to do now that Adobe stopped distributing Etch's version. it may be removed in r2.
18:55|-|apol [~apol@81.184.56.107.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
18:55<chealer>s/they did/they made it/
18:57|-|wenchien [~wenchien@59-105-176-11.adsl.static.seed.net.tw] has quit [Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5]
18:57[~]piozzo notte a tutti ^^
18:58|-|piozzo [lordarthas@host113-126-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:58|-|stiv2k [~steve@207.138.91.59] has joined #debian
18:59<stiv2k>how can i configure something i want to run when my laptop resumes from suspend/hibernate
18:59<stiv2k>i want it to /etc/init.d/networking restart
18:59<stiv2k>because i always have to do that to get it to work again
18:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:00|-|emonge [~emonge@201.247.69.2] has joined #debian
19:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
19:01|-|ernesto [~ernesto@WLL-40-pppoe065.t-net.net.ve] has joined #debian
19:01|-|J1G [~J1G@host235-114-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
19:02<chealer>mercury80: stable's flashplugin-nonfree is broken
19:02|-|Pabellon [~NA@nat.ivenue.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:03|-|stroyan [~mike@207.189.196.153] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:03|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:03|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
19:04|-|Frolic [~frolic@frolic.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
19:04|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:06<stiv2k>how can i configure something i want to run when my laptop resumes from suspend/hibernate
19:06<stiv2k>oops
19:06|-|eternal [~eternalda@201.247.222.65] has joined #debian
19:06<stiv2k>but yeah... how
19:06<stiv2k>:/
19:07<eternal>hola
19:07<stiv2k>hey
19:08|-|Zaka [~asdasd@84.120.65.174.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit []
19:12|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:13|-|pato [~pato@189.179.215.187] has joined #debian
19:14|-|eternal [~eternalda@201.247.222.65] has left #debian [Saliendo]
19:15|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
19:15|-|esop [~wade@140.211.24.86] has left #debian []
19:17|-|colde [~colde@217.14.122.234] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
19:17|-|snowball_ [~snowball@nly93-1-82-232-72-199.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:18|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
19:19|-|CR_ [~o@10001270108.0000029094.acesso.oni.pt] has joined #debian
19:22|-|iblicf [~iblicf@125.34.30.163] has joined #debian
19:24|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
19:28<padski>I've decided to watch a movie. what is good package to install ?
19:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 306] by debhelper
19:29<dondelelcaro>padski: xine or mplayer will work
19:29<chealer>padski: a video player adapted to your X session type?
19:30|-|oscar [~oscar@c915103d.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
19:30<stoned>mplayer is an excellent suggesstion
19:30<padski>dondelelcaro: thanks, ISTR having more sucess with xine in the past.
19:30|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:30<padski>chealer: X session type ?
19:30<stoned>padski: /msg dpkg w32codecs /msg dpkg dmm
19:30<chealer>padski: do you use a desktop environment?
19:30<stoned>padski: for dvds install libdvdcss2
19:31<padski>chealer: kde on ibook g4
19:31<chealer>padski: I recommend kaffeine
19:31<stoned>padski: hmm thats what my co worker has
19:31<knix>That's what my coffee cup has
19:31<knix>er, nm
19:31<mercury80>vlc is pretty nice
19:31<knix>mplayer.
19:32|-|Hessophanes [~jcn@dslb-088-073-022-240.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.5]
19:32|-|tcsetattr [pacman@dialup-4.252.233.91.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:32<padski>(might amuse) E: Invalid operation kaffeine
19:32<mercury80>you may want to add the debian-multimedia repository
19:32<mercury80>it has things like libdvdcss2 etc
19:32<stoned>!dmm
19:32<dpkg>methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat)
19:32<mercury80>indeed
19:33<mercury80>idk, add that repo, then try out all of the video players
19:33<mercury80>easy enough to find in synaptic
19:34<mercury80>honestly you won't notice much of a difference between xine/mplayer/vlc, just pick the client that you like best and the engine be damned
19:38<padski>thanx guys. I have MOVIES !!! :-)
19:38|-|padski [~padski@ip-81-170-34-16.cust.homechoice.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:39|-|alaya_ [~alaya@adsl-70-132-13-52.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
19:39|-|kintaro0e [~kintaro0e@cebu.exist.com] has joined #debian
19:41|-|pato [~pato@189.179.215.187] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
19:41|-|sandman [~sandman_@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:41|-|alaya [~alaya@adsl-70-132-15-184.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:43|-|wycked [wycked@ver44-2-82-242-128-153.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
19:45|-|bzed [~bzed@dslb-084-059-110-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:46<Aleric>It's impossible to get firefox to work on 64bit :/
19:46<Aleric>Half of the plugins don't exist.
19:47|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:47<dondelelcaro>plugins? who needs plugins?
19:47<Aleric>And when you try to run it in a 32bit chroot, nothing works because firefox starts a lot of other applications that then need to run in the 64bit environment to work.
19:47[~]dondelelcaro still doesn't have any plugins installed
19:48|-|kolidaga [~userone@granite.cs.iastate.edu] has joined #debian
19:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 300] by debhelper
19:49|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #debian
19:49|-|pato [~pato@189.179.215.187] has joined #debian
19:49|-|l1nk23 [~jesus@200-71-186-240.genericrev.telcel.net.ve] has joined #debian
19:49|-|kolidaga changed nick to TaidanOfficer
19:49<Aleric>My 32bit install now complains about a non-existing plugin, for a page that works fine when run from the 64bit firefox ?!
19:49<TaidanOfficer>Hello everybody
19:49|-|mercury80 [~mercury80@cpe-66-67-136-162.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Peace]
19:49|-|l1nk23 [~jesus@200-71-186-240.genericrev.telcel.net.ve] has left #debian [Ex-Chat]
19:50<TaidanOfficer>I have an IBM r51e with an Atheros built-in pci wireless card; updated debian lenny does not put a wlan0 interface in /etc/network/interfaces
19:52|-|Requiem [kc@c-98-202-15-187.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
19:52|-|Stumbles [~ben@220-253-24-169.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #debian
19:53<Aleric>It says "Unknown Plugin (application/x-mplayer2)"
19:53<Aleric>Any idea what I should install then?
19:54<Stumbles>hi, I'm trying to add a partition to a degraded raid-1 array using mdadm. I use "mdamd /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1" but the partition gets marked as "spare" rather than "active" and the rebuilt.
19:54<Stumbles>sorry, not rebuilt
19:54|-|Coruja_Ccs [~kurumin@201008210157.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #debian
19:54<TaidanOfficer>aleric: you are trying to view a page with a movie?
19:54<Aleric>yes
19:55|-|Coruja_Ccs [~kurumin@201008210157.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit []
19:55<TaidanOfficer>aleric: you don't have mplayer installed, hence you can't see the movie
19:55|-|juBot [~wise@host-69-59-110-210.nctv.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
19:55<Aleric>I have mplayer installed in the 64bit environment :/
19:55<Aleric>That's what I mean... I need to install everything double.
19:56<TaidanOfficer>aleric, I don't have experience with the 64bit and 32bit running together
19:56|-|e-t172 [e-t172@193.91.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!]
19:56<TaidanOfficer>aleric, I suggest installing mozilla-mplayer -a package that should resolve your problems
19:57|-|DaniloCesar [~Danilo@201-14-37-76.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
19:58|-|cybermilitia [~cybermili@88.233.102.22] has joined #debian
19:58|-|qeed [~qeed@adsl-230-117-70.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: qeed]
19:59<Aleric>TaidanOfficer: Great, that works! :)
19:59<Aleric>Hmmm
19:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:59<Aleric>"works"
20:00<Stumbles>regarding my raid problem, took a punt with "mdadm /dev/md0 --grow -n2" which worked :)
20:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
20:01|-|Radiance [9eff72de20@halt.1984world.eu] has joined #debian
20:01|-|jae [~jae@d253096.dialin.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:02|-|linac [~lin@121.41.74.172] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:04|-|bluemagicxp [~bluemagic@58.186.222.11] has joined #debian
20:05|-|manphiz [dxy@218.244.247.198] has joined #debian
20:06<bluemagicxp>how do i get newest packages list for synaptic?
20:06|-|DaniloCesar [~Danilo@201-14-37-76.ctame705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:06<chealer>bluemagicxp: click "Reload"
20:07|-|smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:07<bluemagicxp>i don't see it
20:07<bluemagicxp>yes
20:08<bluemagicxp>i seen
20:08<bluemagicxp>thanks
20:09|-|manphiz [dxy@218.244.247.198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:09<bluemagicxp>what software do i read *.chm?
20:10<bluemagicxp>my english is bad.
20:10<lupine>MS windows help file
20:10<lupine>compiled html
20:10<lupine>IIRC
20:10|-|lymeca| [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:10<bluemagicxp>IIRC
20:10<TaidanOfficer>aleric, did you solve your problem?
20:10<TaidanOfficer>aleric, maybe you don't have necessary codecs install
20:11|-|lymeca| [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
20:11<lupine>bluemagicxp: check out archmarge
20:11<lupine>erm, archmage
20:11<lupine>archmage - CHM(Compiled HTML) Decompressor
20:11<Aleric>Well, it works. It's just that it seems to be more to stutter than in the 64bit environment.
20:11<lupine>sounds like if you use that, you end up with a bunch of normal HTML files
20:13|-|manphiz [dxy@218.244.247.198] has joined #debian
20:13<bluemagicxp>uh
20:13|-|jappy [~japo@c-67-176-8-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #debian
20:14<jappy>clear
20:14|-|Raina [~chatzilla@adsl-66-127-116-124.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
20:14|-|jappy [~japo@c-67-176-8-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #debian []
20:14<Raina>can someone help me before I scream, pull all my hair out and curse about Etch and it's completely screwed up kernel modules?
20:14<TaidanOfficer>we'll try
20:14<dondelelcaro>Raina: best to just ask
20:15<TaidanOfficer>people may take offence
20:15<Raina>ok.. new etch install.. just completed today
20:15<Raina>about 30 minutes ago in fact
20:15<Raina>and I'm trying to setup a firewall and NAT
20:15<Raina>for connection sharing
20:16<Raina>and no matter how much I try
20:16<Raina>I keep getting errors loading modules
20:17<Raina> modprobe iptable_mangle, for example, gives me FATAL: Module iptable_mangle not found.
20:18|-|jsubl2 [~jsubl2@adsl-75-53-42-78.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
20:18<dondelelcaro>Raina: which kernel are you running?
20:19<Raina>2.6.18-4-486
20:19<Raina>litterally just finished an install
20:19<Raina>did and apt-get update
20:19<Raina>and apt-get upgrade at first login
20:19<Raina>cos I've had exactly the same issue before
20:20<Raina>which is why I was reinstalling.
20:20<dondelelcaro>Raina: ok, and if you run depmod -a; and modprobe iptable_mangle;?
20:20<bluemagicxp>how do i create deb package?
20:20|-|Origin [~Origin@c-24-62-243-10.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #debian
20:20<dondelelcaro>!nm guide
20:20<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper
20:20<Raina>that returns no error
20:20<lupine>Art? Black Arte, more like ;)
20:20|-|Ten [~ident@88-96-94-193.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:20<dondelelcaro>Raina: including the modprobe?
20:20<bluemagicxp>thank ;-)
20:21<Raina>ya
20:21<dondelelcaro>Raina: well, there you go.
20:21<dondelelcaro>not sure why depmod didn't get run, but it's been run now
20:21<Raina>well...
20:21<Raina>wish it were that simple
20:21<Raina>but I've done depmod -a before
20:21<Raina>and had similar results
20:22<Raina>then a little while later, I'll do it again, or reboot
20:22<Raina>and have the same issue
20:22<dondelelcaro>Raina: What does uname -a; output? what does dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.18-486|grep ipt; output?
20:22<Raina>Linux po 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Wed May 9 22:23:40 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
20:22<Raina>that's uname -a
20:23<dondelelcaro>Raina: for the latter, use a paste site.
20:23<Raina>errm
20:23<Raina>the latter command
20:23<Raina>tells me it's not installed
20:23<TaidanOfficer>lupine, that Black Arte was elegant
20:24|-|xuwei [xuwei@222.85.71.10] has joined #debian
20:24<stiv2k>do i need a plugin for iceweasel
20:24<stiv2k>for jre
20:24<lupine>TaidanOfficer: everything I do is elegant :p .oOo.
20:24<dondelelcaro>Raina: it'd be kg -L linux-image-2.6.18-4-486|grep ipt; rather.
20:24<dondelelcaro>s/kg/dpkg/
20:24<TaidanOfficer>lupine, I don't doubt it
20:25<lupine>;)
20:25<Raina>http://pastebin.com/d768c7424
20:25<Raina>output
20:25|-|jappy [~japo@c-67-176-8-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #debian
20:25<stiv2k>umm
20:26<stiv2k>what do i have to do to run a command or script when my computer resumes from resume / hibernate
20:26<Raina>now.. interesting thing. After I loaded that first iptable_mangle, I tried loading iptable_nat with modprobe
20:26|-|linac [~lin@216.80.76.222.broad.fz.fj.dynamic.163data.com.cn] has joined #debian
20:26<Raina>had the same issue
20:26|-|DarkX [~DarkX@ip70-181-154-127.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:26<Raina>until I ran depmod -a again
20:26<Raina>then it loaded without error
20:26<lupine>stiv2k: it's do-able, but, um, I forget how
20:26<TaidanOfficer>I have a question about wireless network interfaces: Lenny didn't generate an entry for my PCI wireless card in /etc/network/interfaces even though lspci sees it! Any ideas?
20:26<stiv2k>lupine: i need to do /etc/init.d/networking restart
20:27<stiv2k>lupine: because i have to do it to get back online after resume...every time
20:27<stiv2k>dunno why
20:27<dondelelcaro>stiv2k: depends on what type of machine
20:27<abrotman>TaidanOfficer: is there a driver for it ?
20:27<lupine>well, there's /etc/apm/resume.d
20:27|-|Steelhoof [~chatzilla@adsl-75-6-182-83.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
20:27<lupine>assuming you're using APM ;)
20:27<stiv2k>dondelelcaro: there isnt a universal directory or something to put scripts in
20:28<dondelelcaro>stiv2k: not really, though most things try to obey the apm directories
20:28<TaidanOfficer>abrotman - yes, a native one, although I never installed it under Debian (Ubuntu recognized it, don't start flaming)
20:28<abrotman>TaidanOfficer: which driver is it ?
20:28<stiv2k>dondelelcaro: which are those?
20:28<TaidanOfficer>abrotman - I don't know, but I'll find ount in a minute
20:28<dondelelcaro>stiv2k: lupine gave it; /etc/apm/resume.d
20:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 306] by debhelper
20:29<greg>ok is there anyone programming in C++?
20:29<dondelelcaro>Raina: are you running on a read only filesystem or something?
20:29<Raina>nope
20:29<lupine>greg: I do a bit
20:29<greg>becouse i have small problem
20:29<lupine>though ##c++ on Freenode might be better for you
20:29<dondelelcaro>Raina: or does /boot not mounted or not contain System.map?
20:29<greg>I need to use String selector i switch.. and i only know that i must use if construction but i dont know how
20:29<stiv2k>lupine: dondelelcaro: k, now will it run them with admin priviledges
20:30<stiv2k>cause its an init script i need to execute
20:30<lupine>stiv2k: should do
20:30<TaidanOfficer>abrotman, madwifi seems to be the on
20:30<TaidanOfficer>*one*
20:30<stiv2k>great
20:30<lupine>if not, find out what user it does run as, and add a sudo rukle
20:30<lupine>rule*
20:30<Raina> /boot is on the same partition as the rest of the file system
20:30<dondelelcaro>TaidanOfficer: you just need to add non-free and contrib to your sources.list, aptitude install module-assistant; then m-a a-i madwifi;
20:30<Raina>and it contains System.map-2.6.18-4-486
20:30|-|Piet_ [~piet@tor.noreply.org] has quit [Quit: Piet_]
20:30<stiv2k>how could i do that
20:31<lupine>worry about it if you need to
20:31<abrotman>!tell TaidanOfficer about madwifi install
20:31<greg>Lupine can you show me how doing IF constructions when i have STRING Selector in switch?
20:31<lupine>you still don't know if apm is the tool you need
20:31<lupine>greg: I've not played with string selectors, sorry
20:31<stiv2k>lupine: gotcha
20:31<bluemagicxp>i can learn C where ?
20:31<dondelelcaro>see #c
20:32|-|greg [~greg@efk35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: changing servers]
20:32|-|jappy [~japo@c-67-176-8-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #debian []
20:32<dondelelcaro>here or on FN
20:32<lupine>local library
20:32<TaidanOfficer>abrotman, appreciate it
20:32<stiv2k>lupine: do i have to create a script or edit one of the ones already in there
20:32<[gloom]>greg: i think in c++ the switch selector doesn'e work for strings
20:32<lupine>stiv2k: create a new one, following the naming convention of the already-present ones
20:32<TaidanOfficer>abrotman, I'm going to look for a free version if possible
20:33<stiv2k>lupine: i dont get the naming convention.l.
20:33|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
20:33<stiv2k>20alsa 80ifplugd linux-wlan-ng-resume
20:33<abrotman>TaidanOfficer: that is the driver for your card
20:33<lupine>stiv2k: nn<appname>, where nn is two numbers ...
20:33<dondelelcaro>Raina: and /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/ exists and is writable and has modules.dep beneath it?
20:33<lupine>don't forget to chmod a+x it
20:33<bluemagicxp>how do i update drivers?
20:33|-|Stumbles [~ben@220-253-24-169.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:33<TaidanOfficer>abrotman, you're telling me to quit looking?
20:33<lupine>bluemagicxp: don't try to "learn C" without a book on the subject. Really.
20:33<Raina>dondelelcaro: yes to both questions
20:34<stiv2k>lupine: any two numbers?
20:34<lupine>bluemagicxp: by updating the kernel. it's not worth the hassle.
20:34<lupine>stiv2k: the numbers denote the order they're run in
20:34<bluemagicxp>uh
20:34<abrotman>TaidanOfficer: like it or not .. yes :)
20:34<lupine>(e.g. 00 will be run before 01)
20:34<stiv2k>ah
20:34<stiv2k>btw
20:34<stiv2k>what is ifplugd
20:34<lupine>interface plug daemon
20:34|-|knoppix_ [~knoppix@87-92.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
20:35|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:35<lupine>probably notices when you (un)plug any hardware
20:35<stiv2k>hmm
20:35|-|knoppix_ changed nick to Enigmatic
20:35<stiv2k>one thing that bothered me is
20:35<chealer>bluemagicxp: depends on the kind of driver.
20:35<stiv2k>when i run networking restart
20:35<stiv2k>or when the computer boots up
20:35<stiv2k>it runs dhclient eth0 even though nothing is plugged into it
20:35<lupine>yep: "A configuration daemon for ethernet devices"
20:35<stiv2k>shouldnt ifplugd take care of that
20:36|-|Enigmatic [~knoppix@87-92.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:36<TaidanOfficer>abrotman - madwifi it is
20:36<TaidanOfficer>Personal Ad: I'm running Elightenment E17 on top of Debian Lenny! You should try it!
20:36<lupine>stiv2k: it looks like it doesn't suppress the normal activity of ifupdown
20:36|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
20:37<lupine>which is probably a good thing
20:37<Raina>dondelelcaro: I think I've found the problem
20:37<stiv2k>lupine: what does that mean
20:37<lupine>it means that it only adds new events; it does remove any
20:37<lupine>doesn't* remove any
20:37|-|CR_ [~o@10001270108.0000029094.acesso.oni.pt] has quit [Quit: out]
20:37<stiv2k>so how can i get it to not waste time trying to lease an IP when nothings plugged in
20:37<stiv2k>cause its annoying :/
20:38|-|MiR_ [~ritch@d86-33-236-84.cust.tele2.at] has joined #debian
20:38<lupine>you could totally hack ifupdown
20:38<lupine>it wouldn't be worth the hassle
20:38<stiv2k>also, in the apm/resume.d/ script, do i just put '/etc/init.d/networking restart' in the script
20:38|-|flycode [~flycode@200-140-66-197.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
20:38|-|Raina_ [~chatzilla@adsl-66-127-116-121.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
20:38<dondelelcaro>stiv2k: you could just have it use a map that defaulted to a reasonable zeroconf address when nothing is plugged in
20:38<lupine>yep, and a shebang
20:38<stiv2k>shebang?
20:38<lupine>#!/bin/sh
20:38<stiv2k>oh
20:38<stiv2k>on the same line?
20:38<stiv2k>or before
20:39|-|vasi [~vasi@modemcable130.218-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #debian
20:39<lupine># denotes a comment...
20:39<lupine>so if you stick it on the same line, you command won't get executed
20:39<stiv2k>ah
20:39<stiv2k>and i need to chmod +x right
20:39<lupine>yep
20:39<stiv2k>aight
20:40<stiv2k>here goes
20:40<stiv2k>awesome
20:40<stiv2k>it worked
20:40|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
20:40<stiv2k>and i didnt even lose my ssh session
20:41<lupine>win
20:41<stiv2k>what log would that be logged in
20:41<stiv2k>so i can comfirm the script ran
20:41<lupine>the output would go to stdout by default, I guess, so lost
20:41<stiv2k>hm
20:42<lupine>you could redirect it somewhere if you really need it
20:42<stiv2k> > /somepath/somefil ?
20:42<stiv2k>after the command
20:42<stiv2k>right
20:42|-|Raina_ [~chatzilla@adsl-66-127-116-121.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has quit []
20:43|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:43<lupine>yep, or you could syslog it
20:43|-|E0x [~moya@tdev251-165.codetel.net.do] has joined #debian
20:44<stiv2k>hmm
20:44<stiv2k>it didnt work
20:44|-|Profetas_Do_PHP [luizfillip@20150178163.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #debian
20:44<lupine>as in, the script didn't get run?
20:44|-|Starkonovich [~dstark@12.111.165.86] has joined #debian
20:45|-|lambda [~lambda@84.5.100.12] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:45<stiv2k>lupine: yes
20:45|-|junio [~junio@201.47.157.3.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #debian []
20:45<stiv2k>hmm
20:45<lupine>well, maybe you're not using apm then
20:45|-|Raina [~chatzilla@adsl-66-127-116-124.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:46<stiv2k>the odd thing is the networking did come back after i resumed
20:46<lupine>installing acpi-support gets you /etc/acpi/resume.d ...
20:46<stiv2k>but its NEVER done that before
20:46<lupine>well, maybe it is working then
20:46<stiv2k>but it didn't create a log file
20:46<lupine>either way, I must sleep
20:46|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:46<stiv2k>kay
20:47|-|Starkonovich [~dstark@12.111.165.86] has quit []
20:48<bluemagicxp>how many MB of RAM for using GNOME and KDE?
20:52<bluemagicxp>?
20:52|-|jote [~knoppix@200.42.187.240] has joined #debian
20:52<jote>fffff
20:53<jote>ola
20:53<jote>hello
20:53<bluemagicxp>IRC for windows?
20:54<bluemagicxp>sorry!
20:54|-|jdave [~jdave@ip68-10-81-17.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #debian
20:54<bluemagicxp>Here is linux
20:55<Profetas_Do_PHP>jote #debian-br
20:55<bluemagicxp>where do i can downloads 3D for linux?
20:55<Profetas_Do_PHP>aqui so tem galera q fala ingles
20:55<jote>hola
20:55<bluemagicxp>3D support for display driver of linux
20:55<jdave>how do I get kernel source from apt-get? I tried searching for kernel-source but I dont see anything
20:56<[gloom]>jote: pregunta en #debian-es
20:57<jote>alguien habla espa;ol
20:57<[gloom]>jote: #debian-es
20:58|-|bluemagicxp [~bluemagic@58.186.222.11] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:58|-|jote [~knoppix@200.42.187.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:59<jdave>how do I get kernel source from apt-get? I tried searching for kernel-source but I dont see anything
20:59<chealer>jdave: linux-source
20:59<[gloom]>jdave: linux-source maybe?
20:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
21:00<jdave>thanks, didn't it use to be just kernel-source? any clue why they changed it?
21:01<gsimmons>jdave: To allow for the (future) use of non-Linux kernels within a Debian system.
21:01|-|lontra [~lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
21:01|-|dani_ [~dani@204.pool85-58-58.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:02|-|jdave [~jdave@ip68-10-81-17.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:06|-|ernesto changed nick to seraph1
21:06|-|Frolic [~frolic@frolic.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
21:08|-|dake__ [~dake@p5B22794F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
21:09|-|mode/#debian [+l 300] by debhelper
21:09|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.89.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:09|-|patty [~patty@71.14.130.224] has joined #debian
21:10<simonrvn_>future? present. hurd and bsd are present...
21:10|-|mankod changed nick to m77
21:10|-|simonrvn_ changed nick to simonrvn
21:10|-|m77 changed nick to Mankod
21:10|-|patty [~patty@71.14.130.224] has quit []
21:11|-|seraph1 changed nick to ernesto
21:12|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
21:13|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:14|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
21:15|-|dake_ [~dake@p5B227AC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:15|-|DarkX [~DarkX@ip70-181-154-127.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #debian
21:16|-|Xenguy [~gnu@206-248-151-3.dsl.ncf.ca] has joined #debian
21:16|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
21:16|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:17|-|Zaka [~asdasd@84.120.65.174.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
21:19|-|Strings [Strings@cpc4-broo4-0-0-cust826.renf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
21:19|-|E0x [~moya@tdev251-165.codetel.net.do] has quit [Quit: off]
21:19|-|sandman [~sandman_@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
21:20<Zaka>hello, how can configure my sources.list plz? any command to see a list of aviables choises?
21:20|-|fsateler [~kvirc@pc-139-177-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #debian
21:21<gsimmons>!tell Zaka -about sources.list
21:21<Xenguy>Zaka: debian.org has a list of mirrors AFAIK
21:22|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:22<Zaka>thanx, i v installed the netinstal, so i can take any mirror?
21:22|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
21:23<gsimmons>Zaka: You can use 'apt-spy' or 'netselect-apt' to generate an optimized list (based on bandwidth tests), if necessary.
21:23|-|esaym [~user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
21:24<Zaka>thanx :)
21:25|-|TaidanOfficer [~userone@granite.cs.iastate.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:25|-|Zaka [~asdasd@84.120.65.174.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit []
21:26<Atomo64>anyone knows how to fix this? echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo " \"\" "; echo "does not match current version:"; echo " \"2.6.21-a64\" "; echo "Please correct this."; exit 2
21:26<Atomo64>(the -a64 prefix was added by myself when calling make-kpkg)
21:26|-|Mankod changed nick to UTF-8
21:27|-|MrNaz__ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:32|-|apol_ [apol@81.184.56.107.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
21:33<stiv2k>how come my USB stops working when i come out of suspend
21:33<stiv2k>its so annoying
21:33|-|tombar_ [~tombar@r190-64-132-76.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #debian
21:34|-|Skot [~scott@dsl-pool-1-89.cherokeetel.net] has joined #debian
21:36|-|UTF-8 changed nick to Mankod
21:37|-|apol [~apol@81.184.56.107.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:38|-|Skot [~scott@dsl-pool-1-89.cherokeetel.net] has left #debian []
21:39|-|guilherme [guilherme@201-24-41-235.gnace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
21:40|-|guilherme [guilherme@201-24-41-235.gnace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:40|-|cybermilitia [~cybermili@88.233.102.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:40|-|tombar__ [~tombar@r190-64-146-208.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:42<stiv2k>??
21:43<stiv2k>lupine: ping
21:46<Syekiya>test
21:47|-|[gloom] [~6EQUJ5@rdapepar1.cc.upv.es] has quit [Quit: Looking for a CInternalPeace *peace=Peacefactory.getnew();]
21:49|-|cobra [~cobra@p54AED24D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
21:49<Syekiya><AMSG on ALL SERVERS> I'm off to bedies! See ya tomorrowz!!
21:50|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:51|-|esaym [~user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:51|-|Profetas_Do_PHP [luizfillip@20150178163.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
21:52|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
21:53|-|jdave [~jdave@ip68-10-81-17.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #debian
21:53|-|lontra [~lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
21:54<jdave>hi, I installed firefox from mozilla.org how do I get flashplayer-nonfree to work with it?
21:55|-|justaguynpc [~justaguy@bas17-toronto12-1096795984.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
21:55|-|aardvark [~aardvark@c-67-162-172-196.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #debian
21:56<jdave>hi, I installed firefox from mozilla.org how do I get flashplayer-nonfree to work with it?
21:56|-|wycked [wycked@ver44-2-82-242-128-153.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
21:56|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
21:58<Xenguy>jdave: hi
21:58<Xenguy>jdave: typing with 1 hand
21:58<jdave>hi
21:58|-|justaguynpc [~justaguy@bas17-toronto12-1096795984.dsl.bell.ca] has left #debian []
21:59<Xenguy>jdave: did you apt-get firefox?
21:59|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
21:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
21:59<Xenguy>jdave: i.e. install a (deb) package
22:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
22:00<jdave>no, I installed firefox from mozilla.org directly in /home
22:00<jdave>flashplugin-nonfree will only work with the deb firefox
22:00<mikegrb>then you are on your own for getting flashplayer-nonfree to work ;)
22:00<jdave>iceweasel?
22:00|-|abrotman [~abrotman@c-71-230-49-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:00<Xenguy>jdave: with debian, it's much better to use the package system
22:01<Xenguy>jdave: that's what you should do
22:02|-|lontra [~lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
22:02|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:02|-|jdave [~jdave@ip68-10-81-17.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:03|-|churibim [~churib@p5481A3BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
22:03|-|churibim [~churib@p5481A3BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit []
22:04<Xenguy>you're quite welcome :p
22:05|-|lontra [~lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit []
22:05|-|Xenguy [~gnu@206-248-151-3.dsl.ncf.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving]
22:05|-|Atomo64 [~Atomo64@201.164.227.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:05|-|lontra [~lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
22:07|-|damentz [~god@cpe-70-122-19-187.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
22:07<damentz>hey everyone, i have a question
22:07<damentz>what is libc6-i686 for exactly?
22:07<damentz>or do
22:08<manphiz>an i686 optimized version of glibc
22:08|-|tyler [~tyler@adsl-67-64-112-175.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #debian
22:08|-|tyler [~tyler@adsl-67-64-112-175.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit []
22:09<damentz>manphiz: ok, its not in the 64bit repos right?
22:09|-|Mankod changed nick to UTF-8
22:10|-|gravity [~david@dsl092-079-075.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: sleep]
22:10|-|aardvark [~aardvark@c-67-162-172-196.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:10|-|warLocked [~warlocked@adsl-212-213-52.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
22:10<manphiz>damentz, yep, seems i386 special
22:10<warLocked>hellos
22:10|-|warLocked changed nick to Greg
22:10<manphiz>64bit has libc6-i386
22:12|-|matta [~matt@bas2-kingston08-1167933472.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
22:12|-|ernesto [~ernesto@WLL-40-pppoe065.t-net.net.ve] has left #debian [Saliendo]
22:14|-|LightKnight [~gabry@adsl-122-76.37-151.net24.it] has quit [Quit: Client exiting]
22:14|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
22:15|-|myles [~myles@bas10-toronto12-1096760625.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Goodbye]
22:16|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:17|-|UTF-8 changed nick to Mankod
22:18|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.73.11] has joined #debian
22:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 294] by debhelper
22:20|-|lontra [~lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
22:21|-|apol_ changed nick to apol
22:24<cobra>work is calling, laterz
22:25|-|cobra [~cobra@p54AED24D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
22:25|-|lontra [~lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
22:28|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:29|-|jsubl2 [~jsubl2@adsl-75-53-42-78.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:31|-|lontra [~lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
22:33|-|apol [apol@81.184.56.107.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:43|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has joined #debian
22:43|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has quit []
22:44|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has joined #debian
22:44|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has quit []
22:46|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has joined #debian
22:46|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has quit []
22:47<klys_>what's the best way to kill zombies?
22:47<klys_>~zombies
22:48<dpkg>A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie.
22:48<EricB>shotgun blast to the chest
22:48|-|triske2006 [~tony@pdx01pncpccgw01.pdx01.inflow.net] has joined #debian
22:48|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
22:48<klys_>perhaps I just have to wait for them to exit
22:48<klys_>then, would setpgid() work?
22:49|-|triske2006 [~tony@pdx01pncpccgw01.pdx01.inflow.net] has left #debian []
22:50|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has joined #debian
22:50<zhaoyi>account add
22:50<zhaoyi>dd
22:50|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:51<zhaoyi>register hello1234
22:51|-|BobHartge [~rehartge@cpe-24-93-241-55.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
22:51<zhaoyi>register hello1234
22:51<klys_>you want /msg nickserv ?
22:51<zhaoyi>account add yahoo zhao_yi707 319317204620
22:52<klys_>~msg
22:52<dpkg>(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).
22:52<zhaoyi>users
22:52<zhaoyi>list
22:52|-|zander [~zander@ool-4573d900.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
22:52<klys_>~nickserv
22:52<dpkg>somebody said nickserv was the nickname registration bot for Freenode. /msg nickserv help for more details.
22:52<klys_>...better
22:52<ricky>Uh-oh- that should be freenode/staff, not staff.freenode.
22:52<zhaoyi>account on
22:52|-|zander changed nick to gregarth
22:53|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has quit []
22:53<gregarth>!nvidia
22:53<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
22:53<klys_>lookgin for bitlbee? /connect localhost
22:53<EricB>klys_ what are they children to?
22:53|-|astromonkey [~kevin@70-101-214-149.dsl1.pco.ca.frontiernet.net] has joined #debian
22:53<klys_>ericb: I think I just have to kill ./main
22:53|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has joined #debian
22:53<gregarth>hi im using 2.6.21 and am having a lot of trouble installing nvidia drivers, im a linux noob
22:53<zhaoyi>help
22:53[~]iblicf spap pascla
22:54<EricB>klys_ if that's the parent process
22:54|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has quit []
22:54<klys_>ericb: I don't see why they are zombies yet
22:54|-|astromonkey [~kevin@70-101-214-149.dsl1.pco.ca.frontiernet.net] has quit []
22:54<klys_>~nvidia
22:54<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
22:54<gregarth>i tried that haha
22:54<gregarth>ah, well, how would i run that script?
22:55<klys_>ls /usr/src/linux*
22:55<EricB>klys_ because they exited and the parent process hasn't cleaned up
22:55<klys_>zhaoyi: apt-get install bitlbee
22:55<gregarth>how would i run a script called, NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.03-pkg1-patched.run
22:55<klys_>don't expect the process to be stable
22:55<EricB>gregarth try . script_name.run
22:56<EricB>or chmod +x script_name; ./script_name
22:56|-|damentz [~god@cpe-70-122-19-187.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
22:56|-|pato [~pato@189.179.215.187] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
22:56|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has joined #debian
22:56<klys_>ericb: how to clean up?
22:56<EricB>klys_ you have to kill the process that forked those children
22:56<klys_>ericb: that would be the parent process
22:56<EricB>yes
22:56<klys_>so...
22:57<EricB>zombie processes are processes that were forked off another process then exited
22:57<klys_>this doesn't seem right
22:57<klys_>maybe I need setpid?
22:57<EricB>is this a program you are working on or something else?
22:58<klys_>./main is made from main.cc it's simple; yes I wrote it
22:58<zhaoyi>help
22:58<EricB>ok
22:58<EricB>your main.cc has fork() calls?
22:58<klys_>vfork
22:58<EricB>k
22:58<gregarth>ericb, the first option gave me some error in the checksums
22:58|-|zhaoyi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has quit []
22:58|-|bum [~bum@avtograd.perm.ru] has joined #debian
22:58<EricB>gregarth what did the second option give you?
22:58|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
22:59<bum>hello!
22:59<klys_>hil
22:59<EricB>klys_ fork tells a process to copy itself
22:59<bum>pls help me
22:59<klys_>ericb: I don't want any copying
22:59<EricB>one copy becomes the parent the other becomes the child
22:59<EricB>what do you want?
22:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:59<gregarth>ericb, it asks me to be root, but i am alreasy in root
23:00<bum>i'm install ubuntu server 7 and problem
23:00<klys_>I want there not to be zombified exiting
23:00|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #debian
23:00<gregarth>let me try once more
23:00|-|vasi [~vasi@modemcable130.218-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
23:00<EricB>klys_ the zombified exiting is a result of you calling vfork and the process copying itself
23:00<klys_>vfork doesn't copy the parent process
23:00<EricB>what does it do?
23:00|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:00<gregarth>ericb: i try to run it with root privelages, and then it says that i am not root
23:00<klys_>fork is just as good
23:01<EricB>klys_ fork clones processes
23:01<bum>how can find driver for SiI0680a ? for install ubuntu server 7
23:01<klys_>I mean functionally it works just as well
23:01<EricB>let me finish my explanation
23:01<EricB>when you clone a process one is a parent and one is a child right?
23:01|-|v|ruS [~virus@189.149.67.59] has joined #debian
23:01|-|v|ruS [~virus@189.149.67.59] has quit []
23:01<klys_>I thing execl might call out
23:01<EricB>gregarth *shrug*
23:02<gregarth>am i accessing root correctly?
23:02<EricB>exec replaces the current process with another one
23:02<gregarth>su. then password?
23:02<EricB>fork makes two concurrently running processes
23:02|-|gregarth [~zander@ool-4573d900.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: bye]
23:02|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.73.11] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by beer]
23:03<klys_>ok, it has success, is there anything left to explain? you've said what a zombie is. my thought was I need to make no parent
23:03|-|gregarth [~gregarth@ool-4573d900.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
23:03<EricB>when you have a parent and a child and the child exits is becomes a zombie until the parent cleans it up
23:03<gregarth>sorry got exited
23:03<klys_>how to clean it up?
23:03<EricB>klys_ with wait() see man 2 wait
23:04<peterS>klys_: if you want to avoid zombies, signal(SIGCHLD, SIG_IGN); in parent
23:04|-|zerokill88 [~zerokill8@adsl-69-108-79-58.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #debian
23:04<klys_>that just waits, I mean the parent is still running
23:04<EricB>gregarth what does whoami say?
23:04<klys_>ok
23:04<klys_>thx peter
23:04<peterS>klys_: this means you cannot reap exit status from child processes, but in return it means you don't _need_ to do so, zombies are avoided entirely
23:04|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@168.243.84.233] has joined #debian
23:04<zerokill88>so i assume debian doesnt support ipw3945 sence my wireless isnt able to connect?
23:04<gregarth>ericb, whoami?
23:04<gregarth>root
23:05<peterS>klys_: oh and obviously #include <signal.h>
23:05<gregarth>ericb, i am in root, then enter the command, and then it says that i need root privelages, error
23:05<zerokill88>is there a package i can download to install ipw3945???
23:05<klys_>peter: all done now
23:05<klys_>thx
23:05<peterS>you understand why it does what it does?
23:05<EricB>gregarth it always works for me :) What does lsmod | grep nvidia return?
23:05<gregarth>nothing
23:05<gregarth>blank
23:06<EricB>peterS hah, it just took me 10 minutes to explain fork :)
23:06<gregarth>just brings me to the next line
23:06<peterS>EricB: I thought he said he's using vfork, though
23:06|-|alvarezp [~alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Quit: Superkb 0.10 released: http://superkb.sf.net/]
23:06<EricB>he was then he said fork was just as good
23:06<klys_>peters: yeah because there's a pending signal being listened for from a nonexistant process
23:06<EricB>so I explained fork :)
23:06<stiv2k>how come sidux almost ALWAYS hangs when i'm shutting down / rebooting at the step "Saving the system clock"
23:07<stiv2k>erhm
23:07<stiv2k>debian sid*
23:07<stiv2k>;)
23:07<peterS>klys_: well, the point is that when a child dies, it sends a SIGCHLD to the parent, so the parent knows to check the exit status and thus zap the zombie. therefore, telling the kernel to set SIGCHILD to SIG_IGN, basically saying "I don't ever want to see this signal", has the special meaning of "I don't want to know about child processes dying", so the kernel doesn't bother to create zombies from them
23:08|-|jspiros_ [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has joined #debian
23:08<klys_>peter: just for the sake of the topic, do you know where in the kernel the code is that creates the zombies?
23:08|-|popeye [~fhwro@69.15.81.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:09<peterS>klys_: pretty sure in kernel/exit.c
23:09<gregarth>ericb, woohoo, a newer version seems to be working
23:09<klys_>k cool thx man
23:09|-|bum [~bum@avtograd.perm.ru] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
23:09<EricB>gregarth excellent
23:09<gregarth>how can i exit x and still continue the install?
23:09<peterS>(ha ... "Copyright (C) 1991, 1992 Linus Torvalds")
23:09<EricB>you can init 3 and restart the install :)
23:09<klys_>gregarth: ctrl+lalt+F1
23:09<gregarth>thanks
23:09<gregarth>take care, be back soon hopefully
23:09|-|jspiros [~jspiros@ip-212-036.oberlin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:09|-|gregarth [~gregarth@ool-4573d900.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: bye]
23:11|-|kintaro0e [~kintaro0e@cebu.exist.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:14|-|metalqga [metalqga@cable-84-43-141-59.mnet.bg] has joined #debian
23:15|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
23:17|-|Disputin [~disp@c-24-20-92-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
23:18<blarson>zerokill88: Yes, in nonfree. At least in sid. You need firmware, device driver, and daemon pacakges.
23:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 286] by debhelper
23:20|-|hollo [~hollo@support.2fast.dk] has joined #debian
23:20|-|matt__ [~matt@24.168.216.120] has joined #debian
23:20|-|matt__ [~matt@24.168.216.120] has quit []
23:23|-|zerokill88 [~zerokill8@adsl-69-108-79-58.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
23:27<Requiem>what's the kernel version for unstable?
23:30|-|gregarth [~gregarth@ool-4573d900.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
23:30<klys_>requiem: same as for etch, unstable has no installer
23:31|-|LordCrimson [~manfred@194.44.244.166] has joined #debian
23:32|-|MrNaz_ [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:32<Requiem>Uh...
23:32<Requiem>I mean post isntall
23:32<Requiem>*install
23:33<Requiem>or is it way back in .18 still?
23:33<klys_>post etch installer even after upgrading you still have your kernel
23:33<Requiem>ah
23:33<klys_>you should compile one, you'd learn a lot
23:33<klys_>it's easy
23:33|-|Hostile [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-92-132.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:34<Requiem>which explains why etch and sid share kernel patches and lenny doesn't have available
23:34|-|bic [~bic@pool-72-90-74-159.syrcny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
23:34<Requiem>I'm working on a compile now
23:34<Requiem>need a .22 for full support for my hardware
23:34|-|LordCrimson [~manfred@194.44.244.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:36<piper>Requiem: in sidux right now we are using kernel-2.6.22.5-rc1
23:36<bic>i need a little help, newbie here, i just installed Devede through Synaptic, and i cant seem to figure out how to start it, no menu item was created, and there seems to be no executable in the directory...........im running etch
23:38<simonrvn>bic: dpkg -L packagename; tells you what's in it. just look for bin/ ;)
23:38|-|alaya_ [~alaya@adsl-70-132-13-52.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:38|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-214-46-174.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
23:39|-|javamaniac [~gerardo@pwnd.gerardo.com.ve] has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
23:40|-|gregarth [~gregarth@ool-4573d900.dyn.optonline.net] has left #debian [bye]
23:43|-|julian [~julian@203-173-221-82.dialup.ihug.co.nz] has joined #debian
23:43<julian>hello
23:43<julian>can someone please talk to me
23:43<bic>simonrvn, thanks, all it returned was devede, which i took to be the executable, i ran that from terminal and it started, how would i create a shortcut to that ?
23:45<simonrvn>did you see a .desktop file in there? if so, running update-menus as a user should bring it up. (might need to restart your window manager)
23:46<julian>hello
23:46<simonrvn>julian: feeling lonely?
23:46<julian>yes i am
23:46<simonrvn>:/
23:46|-|alaya_ [~alaya@adsl-70-132-20-207.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
23:47<julian>can someone help me with my computer?
23:47<julian>iv got problems
23:47<julian>big problems
23:47<simonrvn>well, i'm feeling bad, i go take a walk, go look at the stars or the sky, trees, and such. changes channels
23:47<simonrvn>well tell us in here then
23:48<julian>is there any technintions in here?
23:48<julian>i need some help
23:48<simonrvn>jsut ask the question
23:48<julian>ok
23:49<julian>i need to know how to install spash screens on my debian system but its all complacated so i know how to update things but i dont know how to install things
23:50<bic>simonrvn, there was no .desktop file, i did run the update-menus, how would i restart the window manager without shutting down and re-starting ? im using gnome
23:50<simonrvn>there's a site that covers that
23:50<julian>how do i install splash screens?
23:50<metalqga>julian and this is a problem?
23:50<simonrvn>bic: oh it should update automatically then
23:50|-|manel [~manel@189.134.119.217] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
23:51<julian>well iv got more problems
23:51<simonrvn>!bootsplash
23:51<dpkg>i heard bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot
23:51<simonrvn>julian: ^^^
23:51<julian>one of the spash screens arnt installed that well. its on there but its not leting me choose it
23:51<julian>hmmm
23:52<bic>simonrvn, it didnt seem to, as a sidebar, how do you restart the window manager without shutting down/restarting ? i havent quite figured that out yet
23:52<metalqga>ctrl+alt+backspace
23:53<bic>without physically turning off the pc is what i mean
23:53<julian>you can do sudo /sbin/reboot
23:53<simonrvn>!reboot
23:53<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps
23:53<simonrvn>bic: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart; ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the x server
23:54|-|toktok11110 [~toktok@p57A50D43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
23:54<bic>simonrvn, thanks for your help !
23:54<simonrvn>but, like i said gnome (and kde) update their emnus if there's a change
23:54<julian>just type sudo /sbin/halt
23:54|-|iblicf [~iblicf@125.34.30.163] has left #debian [暂离]
23:55<metalqga>thanks for appreciating my help ;d
23:55<julian>can someone look into my system? i need someone to help me with my problems
23:55<metalqga>your only problem is that you don't know what a problem is
23:56<julian>no
23:56<Strings>If you were to leave a process running on your server
23:56<julian>i knoe the problem
23:56<Strings>Would that require you to use screen?
23:56<julian>who are you talking to?
23:56<julian>me?
23:57<julian>dont worry il just do it the hard way around things
23:57<metalqga>i'm starting to love cli
23:57<julian>im going so cya :)
23:57<metalqga>a good cli browser anyone?
23:58|-|julian [~julian@203-173-221-82.dialup.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
23:58|-|toktok1119 [~toktok@p57A50F28.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:59|-|nareshov [~nareshov@220.225.2.107] has joined #debian
23:59|-|kintaro0e [~kintaro0e@cebu.exist.com] has joined #debian
23:59|-|buzztracker [~buzztrack@pelikan.garga.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
---Logclosed Thu Aug 23 00:00:03 2007