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00:07<Brudus>is there anyway I can update drivers as easy as i update software with synaptic. I'm at my wits end here.
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00:12<mikkelorz>Brudus: you could just compile the drivers?
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00:13<mikkelorz>nothing more than a make script anyway... and it'll work against your current kernel ;)
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01:39<drizzd>Is there any difference between apt-get install linux-source + make-kpkg and apt-get source linux-image + dpkg-buildpackage?
01:40<drizzd>I'm asking because one method panics at boot and the other doesn't, even though I'm using kernel version 2.6.21 for both methods.
01:41<cahoot>drizzd, not an expert - but I suppose you need make menuconfig if you run make-kpkg - unless you apply some other .config
01:41<drizzd>I tried to use the same .config
01:42<cahoot>and initrd for both?
01:42<drizzd>one has no initrd
01:42<drizzd>the one that panics
01:43<cahoot>well there you go
01:43<drizzd>but that shouldn't bother grub, right?
01:43<drizzd>ok, I'll try to fix that
01:43<cahoot>possibly you have some vital driver as module in both and hence need an initrd
01:44<drizzd>I don't exactly understand what the initrd does
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01:46<cahoot>it supplies access to modules essential for booting in the case those are *not* compiled statically into the kernel
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01:46<drizzd>I see, well I guess that's it then. Thanks
01:47<cahoot>you really shouldn't need an intird for a custom kernel
01:47<drizzd>Yeah, I'll just get it up and running and then I'll remove all the modules
01:47<cahoot>but that presumes a correct config
01:50<suiside>offhand I'd guess drizzd is missing filesystem support for his root filesystem compiled in, that's usually the most common error people tend to do
01:51<suiside>either generate a initrd with the modules or add it in in menuconfig
01:51<drizzd>You're probably right, since the kernel panics trying to mount the root fs and since I have an SATA drive with libata compiled as a module.
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01:51<suiside>there you go
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02:00<test1>hi knoppix
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02:00<test1>when the knoppix 5.2.1 will be vailable for download ?
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02:03<vilhjalms>hi all
02:03[~]fxiny wow signal detector buzzs
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02:16<suiside>test1: this is #debian, not #knoppix
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03:01<Lam_al_Adie>i got a chance to borrow a mobile device which has internal mamory. what packages would i need to be able toaccess that memory?
03:01<Lam_al_Adie>/var/log/memory says kernel: ipaq 2-3:1.0: PocketPC PDA converter detected
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03:50<bob_1>hab eine frage wegen /proc/acpi/alarm
03:51<bob_1>keiner da ?
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03:55<dpkg>i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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04:02<dpkg>well, be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS.
04:02<dpkg>If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>.
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04:04<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
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04:08<berat>i made fsck manually to my home partition /dev/hda6
04:08<berat>can i mount /dev/hda6 with read + write access without rebooting
04:08<berat>if i do how ?
04:09<bob_1>i have amd64 etch , /proc/acpi/alarm does not exit , but i need for acpiwakeup
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04:09<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
04:10<cahoot>berat, mount -o remount,rw?
04:10<berat>that must be
04:10<berat>check out
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04:12<berat>how can i fix this error ?
04:12<berat>pls look address
04:13[~]klys don't know
04:13<berat>are there someone know the mistake
04:13<klys>search for it
04:14<berat>thenks for advise .D
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04:15<Gregory>what packages do i need for .o and .c files
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04:17<klys>gregory: you were on this last night. try build-essential
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04:18<ifvoid>berat: hmm, weird
04:18<ifvoid>berat: is this a vanilla etch syste?
04:19<berat>no its lenny
04:19<klys>check /usr/lib/automatix2/ for "4.2r0" and "4.2r1"
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04:20<ifvoid>berat: well, that makes sense then
04:20<ifvoid>berat: you are installing an etch package on lenny
04:20<berat>i guess i installed
04:21<berat>a few time ago i downloaded etch package on lenny
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04:21<berat>no such mistake occured
04:22<berat>i installed gnome-art (etch) on lenny
04:22<ifvoid>well, you got lucky then
04:22<berat>because gnome-art doesnt work on lenny distro
04:22<berat>ifvoid, what t must i do ?
04:22<ifvoid>remove any etch stuff from sources.list
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04:22<ifvoid>then dpkg -P icedove
04:22<ifvoid>and try again
04:23<berat>try reinstall icedove
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04:26<klys>you know, if e has lenny sources and does update, then apt-get should install the newer one by default
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04:26<ifvoid>klys: yes
04:27<ifvoid>klys: except that the version in stable is newer then the one in lenny
04:27<qiyong>how to re-deliever mails from an mbox archive?
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04:27<ifvoid>qiyong: use formail or so
04:28<ifvoid>klys: how is that going to help?
04:28<qiyong>ifvoid: is that work for all users?
04:28<ifvoid>you need to script it
04:28<ifvoid>read the man page
04:28<qiyong>ifvoid: mbox contains many users mails
04:28<klys>just a suggestion that works for me, sounds like yours is more elegant though
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04:29<ifvoid>qiyong: use formail to split the mbox into separate messages, and pass them to sendmail for delivery
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04:29<klys>suppose he uses exim4?
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04:30<ifvoid>klys: uh yes, so?
04:30<qiyong>ifvoid: apt-cache search formail get nothing
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04:31<ifvoid>qiyong: oh, it's in the procmail package iirc
04:31<klys>sendmail is for *bsd
04:31<ifvoid>if you don't know what you're talking about, please just don't say anything
04:31<ifvoid>every mta on Debian provides /usr/sbin/sendmail
04:32<klys>assuming that the sendmail binary is the most appropriate for this purpose, does it work with exim4?
04:32<qiyong>ifvoid: many thanks
04:32<ifvoid>klys: just look for yourself
04:32<ifvoid>klys: ls -la /usr/sbin/sendmail
04:33<klys>my system doesn't deliver mail properly
04:33<ifvoid>qiyong: please don't /msg peopl
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04:34<klys>qiyong: in this channel, it's ok to do as long as you get permission first
04:35<qiyong>ifvoid: bother give me an command line example?
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04:38<ifvoid>formail -ds sendmail -t < mailbox or something like that
04:40<qiyong>ifvoid: will that deliver mails to all recipients?
04:40<ifvoid>it should
04:40<zms>System: linux-image-2.6.22-xen-3.1-1-686 and xen-hypervisor-3.1-1-i386 on Debian sid. There's no /lib/tls that I can rename. I have installed `libc6-xen' also as recommended on `'. Problem: when I boot with xen, it still complains of using /lib/tls and warns about slow performance. Then I start to get errors "ata1: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)" The same system boots okay with 2.6.22-1 Debian kernel.
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04:42<qiyong>ifvoid: sendmail: fatal: No recipient addresses found in message header
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04:43<qiyong>ifvoid: is all the mails get sent?
04:43<qiyong>ifvoid: sendmail fails on error or finished all mails?
04:43<ifvoid>check your logs
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04:43<qiyong>ifvoid: maillog?
04:45<qiyong>ifvoid: /var/log/maillog?
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04:51<Jake_>Hey all
04:51<n1ck0>away from keyboard
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04:59<qiyong>ifvoid: i think a single sendmail error won't fail the whole process, as formail invokes sendmail on per mail
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05:00<qiyong>ifvoid: if one mail failed, the rest should pass without impact
05:00<qiyong>ifvoid: confirm?
05:00<petemc>as you'vev been told, check the logs
05:00<petemc> /var/log/exim4/mainlog
05:01<Jake_>Is there anyone who would have an idea why ntpdate doesn't change system time? The synced time is fetched OK but ntpdate, or any other command for that matter, doesn't affect the system time.
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05:03<qiyong>petemc: i don't use exim
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05:11<petemc>qiyong: what do you use then?
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05:15<zms>Jake_: I think there used to be a package `hwclock' or similar that could set bios time to system time. I used to update with ntpdate and then hwclock to ensure bios was also in sync
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05:17<Jake_>zmx, I've tried that too. I get the message "Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method." Debug says "hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=19: No such device. No usable clock interface found."
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05:20<zms>Jake_: I am not sure but may be you would need to create /dev/rtc somehow? udev rules etc. I am not sure...
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05:26[~]vastinfest labas rytas
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05:31<dzs>what could i try if XFCE starts as usual, but when i run it in a chroot only X starts but i get no desktop on "startxfce4 vt09"?
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05:35<Eulex>dzs, check .xsession-errors?
05:36<dzs>"/usr/bin/startxfce4: X server already running on display :0"
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05:36<n1ck0>gloire à satan !
05:37<dzs>Eulex: how could i fix that?
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05:42<Eulex>dzs, what are you trying to do? do you want to run a second X session with Xfce in vt09?
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05:43<dzs>Eulex: i run Gnome and want to run XFCE in a chroot on VT09
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05:45<cahoot>dzs, checked if xnest (or xephyr) would allow you to do that w/o chroot?
05:45<dzs>yes, the system runs for its own as expected. i can boot into it using GRUB
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05:46<Eulex>dzs, ok, I'm not sure how to do that, but I'm pretty sure that's how to _not_ do it. try unsetting $DISPLAY, then use something like startxfce4 :1
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05:47<dzs>Eulex: ah, i think that is what i was missing. ":1" can be an option like "vt09" that tells X to run on display 1 instead of 0?
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05:48<stuart>dzs: do you know whether (in general) linux supports raid? ie. if i have a motherboard that does raid and I configure it as such in the BIOS, will I be good to go?
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05:49<stuart>dzs: it's just that the mboard manufactirer has drivers for windows... never ever used raid b4
05:49<Eulex>dzs, oh, right, try :1 vt09
05:49<Eulex>dzs, why are you asking a person and not the channel?
05:49<dzs>Eulex: negative. it still loads a naked X without the desktop
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05:49<Eulex>dzs, error being?
05:49<dzs>stuart you mean
05:50<dzs>no error
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05:50<Eulex>ah, right, the above was directed at stuart.
05:50<Eulex>dzs, nothing regarding it in .xsession-errors ?
05:50<stuart>Eulex, no particular reason other than dzs was helpful last time
05:50<dzs>stuart: the RAID support is dependent on the proper kernel module and userspace tools that have to be available on the install media
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05:51<dzs>Eulex: no error in there
05:51<stuart>dzs: so a gneric install of debian 4 or a recent ubuntu should cope?
05:51<stuart>generic that was
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05:51<stuart>or am i asking for trouble
05:52<Eulex>dzs, and X starts at vt09?
05:52<dzs>stuart: depends on the chipset the RAID controller uses. and that depends pretty much on the kernel version. so you could check if the 2.6.18 kernel generally supports the chipset you use. then you would be fine with the Etch Install CD
05:52<dzs>Eulex: yeah
05:53<dzs>Eulex: only problem is that it starts a naked X and i can do nothing from there, because it does not load a desktop environment
05:53<stuart>dzs: given that the motherboard is a p4 and already 3 or 4 years old, chances are Ill be ok, right?
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05:53<dzs>stuart: if the hardware is not brand new the chances are very good a driver exists, yeah
05:54<Eulex>dzs, if you then do something like DISPLAY=:1 startxfce4, does that work?
05:54<Eulex>dzs, or DISPLAY=:1 xterm?
05:54<stuart>dzs: also, the motherboard only supports sata for raid, and the first incarnation of that (150Mb/sec version I think). Is it still worth doing raid on that? (Not going for redundancy but speed)
05:54<dzs>Eulex: testing
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05:56<dzs>Eulex: ah. now we have a new situation:
05:56[~]TuRK merhaba
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05:58<dzs>stuart: i am not an expert on this, but i think speed is not the only reason for RAID, also data security
05:58<dzs>so you dont lose important data e.g.
05:58<stuart>dzs: i know, but i would be using it for speed, not security
05:59<Eulex>dzs, hmm. you did try to start startxfce4 as the same user both times, right? did you pass :1 to startxfce4 (which probably makes it start on display :1, but take a look in the X logs to verify that)?
05:59<stuart>raid 0 or 1, i forget which...
05:59<dzs>RAID 0 and 1 do nothing for speed, RAID 5 would. at least according to my knowledge
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06:00<stuart>dzs: damn -- id better check that
06:00<dzs>stuart: hang on a moment with this topic. let me focus on my problem so Eulex does not get bored while he waits for me
06:00<TuRK>yaw benim dilden adam yok mu ?
06:00<dpkg>tr is, like, türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
06:01<TuRK>dpkg thanks
06:01<dpkg>TuRK: sure thing
06:01<dzs>Eulex: sorry. yes. i use the same user with "startxfce :1 vt09" and with "startxfce vt09" when i exported $DISPLAY first
06:01<TuRK>dpkg taam a.q. sus 2 dk yarak
06:01<dzs>but the error i pasted only appears when i export ":1" to $DISPLAY first
06:02<dzs>~/.xsession-errors is still empty
06:02<dpkg>...but /.xsession-errors is already something else...
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06:03<dzs>and /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows no error also
06:03<Eulex>note that if everything was working correctly, Xorg would start up on a different display
06:03<TuRK>dpkg you sent me . but what is this ?
06:03<dpkg>TuRK: what are you talking about?
06:03<Eulex>that is, you'd get a Xorg.1.log (or whatever display number you chose)
06:04<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
06:04<dzs>Eulex: with "display" meaning the screen?
06:04<TuRK>dpkg my english not very well. but i have a problem.
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06:05<Eulex>dzs, well, an X program uses a display number to determine where it should be running. the X on vt07 and vt09 will have to have unique display numbers. that's what the :1 would be doing, assigning the display number 1 to the X running at vt09.
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06:06<dzs>Eulex: i see
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06:06<Eulex>dzs, however, I did a few tests here. and it appears that startxfce4 doesn't properly pass on the options you give it to the X server.
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06:06<Eulex>dzs, try this: X :1 vt09, then DISPLAY=:1 startxfce4
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06:07<Eulex>dzs, the above worked for me, or at least until the X server crashed because it didn't like that I had dri at both displays...
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06:08<dzs>Eulex: in the first case i get the old situation that a naked X runs without XFCE. in the second case i get the error from the paste again: "/usr/bin/startxfce4: X server already running on display :1"
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06:09<Eulex>dzs, right, but it should start anyway.
06:09<Eulex>dzs, the script will just skip the step of trying to start the X server
06:09<dzs>Eulex: no. it exits with "(xfce4-session:6520): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display"
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06:10<Eulex>dzs, hmm, that's odd. you could try something like DISPLAY=:1 xterm, to see if you can get a simple xterm running in vt09
06:11<dzs>Eulex: how would that xterm get the X server running for it?
06:11<Eulex>dzs, it wouldn't, it's assuming you already started an xterm with that specific display number already.
06:12<dzs>so i need a second chroot console, hang on
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06:14<dzs>Eulex: bingo. it loads the xterm :)
06:14<dzs>now the riddle is why XFCE refuses to work
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06:15<dzs>(learning a lot of new things!)
06:15<Eulex>dzs, hmm, how were you trying last time then? stopping the X server before running the second command? try starting startxfce4 the same way you just started xterm?
06:16<dzs>Eulex: trying
06:16<Eulex>another way would be running startxfce4 from the xterm you just started
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06:17<dzs>Eulex: this is amazing. you rock! :D
06:17<dzs>it works!
06:18<Blaheva>I hold the trademark on rocking! please desist!
06:18<dzs>now i only need to figure out how to do "X :1 vt09" and "DISPLAY=:1 startxfce4" in one step so i dont have to run 2 chroot consoles
06:19<Eulex>dzs, you can put the X server running in the background by doing "X :1 vt09 &"
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06:19<dzs>oh yes, i always keep forgetting this nice feature
06:19<Eulex>and add 'disown' to the end of the command to not make the app close when you close the console
06:20<dzs>by this chance - how can i bring a background process in the "forground"
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06:20<Eulex>however, if you do that, you might need to put a small sleep between the two commands, so the X server is started before startxfce4 runs
06:20<Eulex>dzs, fg.
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06:21<dzs>this is plain awesomeness! running 2 debian versions the same time without virtualization :D
06:21[~]dzs gives Eulex a gender appropriate hug
06:22<dzs>so i can finally start working with lazarus :D
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06:31<Aleksej> -- I don't know if it's Firefox' fault; they've been talking something about it being hard to fix, so maybe it is. Looks like they've decided not to fix it. Probably it should be new -- I don't remember if others have seen it.
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06:31<Aleksej>Any idea?
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06:32<Aleksej>Now I'm using lenny (with only Xorg a relevant penultimate package version), and the message still appears.
06:33<Aleksej>FWIW, the latest trunk builds are available at
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06:34<Aleksej>There probably will be a new build in 10 minutes.
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06:35<rbrito>Hi there.
06:36<rbrito>Is there any way to configure GNOME so that its wastebasket is not on the desktop, but on a panel?
06:37<rbrito>I have already been able to put the basket on the panel, but I can't get rid of the second copy of the basket that stays in the desktop...
06:37[~]Aleksej would like to get rid of most of the desktop icons
06:37<Aleksej>And that IS possible.
06:37<Aleksej>Otherwise, people wouldn't be kicked on LOR for screenshots with desktop icons. :-)
06:37<rbrito>I mean, I would like to remove the clutter of my desktop, in a similar way that Ubuntu does.
06:37<Aleksej>(, something like slashdot, but linux-only and worse)
06:38<rbrito>Aleksej, do you know of any way to achieve this?
06:38<Aleksej>After some recent GNOME update, I have disk partitions on my desktop, too.
06:38<Aleksej>rbrito: no :(
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06:38<Aleksej>Well, only some of the disk partitions.
06:38<rbrito>Aleksej, humm, thanks...
06:38<rbrito>I see...
06:38<zulu>how do I recover a file I just deleted using `rm' ? (my filesystem is ext3)
06:38<rbrito>I would like to get rid of the "home directory" icon...
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06:39<Aleksej>zulu: unmount it NOW
06:39<Aleksej>zulu: I'm not saying you can, though.
06:39<kuchenmonster>zulu: As far as I know, ext3 already cleared the respective inodes.
06:39<Aleksej>zulu: but if it's possible, you don't want to have it mounted.
06:39<rbrito>zulu, use one of the forensic tools in the archive.
06:39<rbrito>kuchenmonster, yes, that's one of the primary differences between ext2 and ext3.
06:39<zulu>forensic? do you have a keyword for dpkg search?
06:40<rbrito>apt-cache search forensic
06:40<rbrito>Try also the recover keyword...
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06:40<rbrito>It may help a bit.
06:41<rbrito>I don't know this one.
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06:41<zulu>rbrito I just tryied recover without success, I gave all precise information to filter :(
06:41<rbrito>I have helped a friend of mine with another one...
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06:41<kuchenmonster>rbrito: Ah, so my memory didn't fail me this time...
06:42<rbrito>zulu, your chances of recovering any lost work with ext3 are much lower than with ext2.
06:42<rbrito>recovering the files from backups is the easiest route.
06:42<zulu>ok I forget it...
06:42<rbrito>I take backups daily, so I am not worried...
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06:43<rbrito>I know that I am paranoid, but it helps.
06:43<zulu>doesn't matter, thx for support
06:43<rbrito>zulu, you're welcome.
06:44<rbrito>Well, ok, people.
06:44<rbrito>It's late here. I've gotta go to bed...
06:44<rbrito>See ya...
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06:44<zulu>bye bye
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07:16<black_imposter2>hey can any one help, i'm getting "alert /dev/hda1 does not exist" after reboot of a new install of debian etch (i'm new at this:-)
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07:17<xbc>black_imposter2, does it stop then?
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07:18<black_imposter2>no it keeps doing it, every restart
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07:18<xbc>black_imposter2, so you don'T get the prompt?
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07:19<xbc>black_imposter2, i mean, you can't log in?
07:20<black_imposter2>no i can't login, i get busybox
07:21<azeem>black_imposter2: so you installed and rebooted, nothing else?
07:24<black_imposter2>my system sits at "begin: waiting for file system...... .. " for about 3mins and then it says alert!! /dev/hda1 does not exist. droping to shell! then it go to busybox
07:25<black_imposter2>has anyone come across this problem?
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07:26<xbc>black_imposter2, how many harddisks? Are there other operations systems on it?
07:26<lupine>is the kernel calling it sda1 now?
07:27<lupine>Ubuntu did something very similar on a feisty install, IIRC
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07:28<black_imposter2>there r 5 hdds in the system they r all IDE
07:28<sheldonh>black_imposter2: definitely PATA ("ide"), not SATA?
07:28<black_imposter2>yes i'm very sure
07:29<black_imposter2>i'm a computer tec
07:29<lupine>5? impressive. But newer kernels use libata for pata and sata, so they all get called sd*
07:29<sheldonh>lupine: really? huh, that's interesting. you learn something every day
07:30<lupine>I think that's right, anyway. I'm all sata here so can't verify it
07:30<sheldonh>i guess it's only an issue if the installer called the disks hd*
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07:30<sheldonh>but i was pretty sure 2.6.18 probed pata disks as hd*
07:31<lupine>mm, 2.6.18 probably would
07:31<lupine>black_imposter2: what files are present in /dev ?
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07:31<black_imposter2>one sec
07:32<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
07:33<black_imposter2>all r hd*
07:33[~]lupine gets the beat-down :D
07:33<lupine>does hda1 exist?
07:33<black_imposter2>there r no sd* in /dev
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07:35<sheldonh>lupine: you silly sid people :)
07:35<Jorijn>debian ftw
07:35<Jorijn>(just had to)
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07:38<mjk>dpkg's factoid for "build" is 404 (more or less).
07:38<sheldonh>black_imposter2: is there an hda (vs hda1)?
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07:39<black_imposter2>there is hda but no hda1
07:40<lupine>missing filesystem driver? Maybe?
07:40<lupine>seems unlikely though
07:40<mjk>Who maintains the bot "dpkg" here?
07:40<petemc>!who owns you
07:40<dpkg>dondelelcaro does
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07:41<mjk>Ah, good =)
07:41<petemc>anyone can adjust factoids, tho
07:41<mjk>petemc: How?
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07:41<petemc>mjk: /msg dpkg help
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07:41<black_imposter2>there is hda hdb hdc hde hde1 hde2 hde5 hdg in /dev
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07:42<Wiebe`>oh my god!
07:42<lupine>black_imposter2: what's on hde1?
07:42<Wiebe`> <-
07:42<sheldonh>black_imposter2: that means there's no partition table on hda
07:42<Wiebe`>where are the iso's ? :(
07:42<sheldonh>black_imposter2: or there are no partitions in the partition table on hda
07:43<black_imposter2>but its tryin to boot from hda1 how do i change it
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07:43<lupine>the kernel line in grub. Change it from root=/dev/hda1 to /root=/dev/hde1
07:43<lupine>also change the fstab... once you find it :D
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07:44<Wiebe`>does someone know a mirror or something where i can get the iso of Debian testing ?
07:44<black_imposter2>ahuh thats a good idea
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07:55<sheldonh>lupine, black_imposter2 note that lupine typo'd the root= change
07:55<lupine>d'oh, so I did
07:55<lupine>I'm failing hard today :/
07:56<sheldonh>lupine: we want our money back :)
07:57<black_imposter2>haha thats cool
07:57<black_imposter2>its still not booting
07:58<black_imposter2>i change hda1 to hde1 but no luck
07:58<sheldonh>did the error message change? :)
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07:59<black_imposter2>no the same "alert!! /dev/hde1 does not exist dropping to shell"
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08:00<Tuplad>how do I find out the device name of USB port ? :] my phone is connected to it
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08:00<sheldonh>black_imposter2: entirely different error. now, does /dev/hde1 exist?
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08:01<black_imposter2>sorry my bad
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08:01<black_imposter2>no but /dev/hda1 does
08:01<lupine>that's a lot of lol right there
08:02<black_imposter2>its stupid
08:02<sheldonh>so... your bios, controller or kernel isn't using a deterministic drive probe order
08:02<sheldonh>i'd start with the bios
08:03<black_imposter2>ok then
08:03<sheldonh>wait... 5 drives. that means you're using multiple controllers, right?
08:03<sheldonh>actually no, that makes no difference, the kernel's pretty deterministic even in the case where you have multiple controllers
08:03<black_imposter2>yea a PCI IDE controller card
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08:07<black_imposter2>i might just reinstall
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08:12<black_imposter2>thanks for ur help
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08:21<prometoys> /msg bots NOT people
08:22<prometoys>hi, i have problem to installing debian edge on my flatshare-server
08:22<prometoys>its an old amd k6-2 with 400mhz and 128mb
08:22<miksuh>do you mean Etch?
08:22<prometoys>etch, sorry
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08:23<miksuh>what kind of problem?
08:23<prometoys>i tried to install it with crypted lvm, but it hangs, when it tries to create the partitions
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08:24<prometoys>but a "normal" lvm works
08:24<prometoys>is my computer too weak for crypted lvm?
08:24<miksuh>I 'm sure what could cause that..
08:25<miksuh>No I don't think that is the reason..
08:25<miksuh>I'm not sure
08:25<miksuh>I meant :)
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08:26<prometoys>there was an error, but i forget it.. some kind of trace or so
08:28<prometoys>and i killed some processes on a shell and then i got the installer back, it said something about an error and i could continue, but on the big (250gb) lvm crypted partition it hangs and i couldn't use this trick again
08:29<prometoys>i am not sure, if I should install the server with normal lvm or i should install the hard disk in another computer and put it than later back
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08:30<gabrix_>i registred my squid to
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08:30<prometoys>what i could try to find out, what the problem is? I tried it few times and every time it hangs during the partition-part
08:31<gabrix_>i would like to know how necessary is the use of the udp port
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08:31<gabrix_>icp port
08:32<gabrix_>i'm using squid with tor and tor doesn't support udp
08:32<gabrix_>so i'm not torified
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08:36<gsimmons_>gabrix_: Sounds like using HTCP (instead of ICP) would be more appropriate for your setup. This protocol can be used over TCP.
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08:41<gsimmons_>gabrix_: Otherwise, you can just use cache digests.
08:41<gabrix_>htcp ? uhm !!!!
08:41<gabrix_>cache digests ... uhm!
08:42<gabrix_>i will look for them
08:42<gsimmons_>gabrix_: It's covered in the IRCache FAQ (section 3).
08:42<gabrix_>what's the difference
08:42<gsimmons_>gabrix_: HTCP is a replacement for ICP. The other isn't a protocol.
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08:43<gabrix_>ok i know
08:43<gabrix_>i'm on ircache
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08:45<cookie_>hello, anybody please help me. How can I play .rmvb files using MPlayer?
08:45<gabrix_>in case of a cache digest shall i have to use icp port ?
08:45<gabrix_>htcp use http right ?
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08:47<gsimmons_>gabrix_: You don't define any ICP port when using cache digests. It's not required. See FAQ section 3.3 for example Squid cache_peer lines.
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08:51<gsimmons_>cookie_: You'll need to install additional codecs. This can be performed using the /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/ script.
08:52<cookie_>gsimmons_:I download some codecs but did not know how to install them
08:52<cookie_>gsimmons_: can you tell me the command to install new codecs on MPlayer please!
08:52<gabrix_>i have set: cache_peer parent 3128 3130 login=blablabal password=pingpong
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08:53<gabrix_>i have to delete that 3130 and shall it be still a parent ?
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08:57<gsimmons_>cookie_: You'd want to extract your downloaded codecs to /usr/lib/codecs. Or you can run "/usr/share/mplayer/scripts/ install" as root, to have them downloaded and extracted for you.
08:58<cookie_>gsimmons_: If I extract those codecs into the "usr/lib/codecs", then mplayer will automatically recognize it?
08:59<gsimmons_>gabrix_: You'd want to replace that with "0 no-query" instead.
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09:00<gsimmons_>cookie_: Yes, mplayer will use these codecs if required.
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09:07<woltage_>Can somebody help me? can't find anything fix from google.
09:08<azeem>woltage_: which version of debian?
09:08<woltage_>Tryed downgrade debian from testing to etch.
09:09<azeem>downgrades are not supporte
09:09<gabrix_>is this all i need to make a cache digest ???
09:09<woltage_>azeem: Now, I know that ;)
09:09<azeem>probably coreutils is downgraded already, but ucf isn't
09:10<woltage_>azeem: let's see.
09:10<azeem>woltage_: you'll run into other problems, I'm sure
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09:12<gsimmons_>gabrix_: It's all that's required to peer with IRCache's caches. Pay attention to FAQ section 3.4 though, they don't want to receive any non-GET requests.
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09:13<gabrix_>i have that acl set
09:13<gabrix_>what's the best squid log for debugging purpose ?
09:14<gabrix_>in this case cache.log
09:14<woltage_>azeem: Programs are working, but the apt says can't install that package.
09:14<woltage_>TNT is pretty good solver.
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09:15<gabrix_>numb idiot i am
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09:18<gabrix_>look this pastebin
09:18<woltage_>azeem: coreutils is downgraded and ucf
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09:20<gsimmons_>gabrix_: You forgot the "0" after "3128".
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09:20<gabrix_>i have set the htcp port 4827 and now is ok
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09:21<gabrix_>squid restarted
09:21<gabrix_>is it right ?
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09:22<gsimmons_>gabrix_: What is your intention? Use of cache digests _or_ HTCP?
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09:23<gabrix_>but htcp ,as also the squid wiki says, makes http queries.
09:23<gabrix_>but it listens on udp
09:23<gabrix_>sorry but i have to bang my head on the issue to fully understand
09:24<gabrix_>it's just a say
09:25<gabrix_>right i got it
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09:25<gabrix_>it's 3128 http making queries
09:25<gsimmons_>gabrix_: You have a choice between these three: ICP, cache digests or HTCP. Pick _one_. It would appear that although HTCP can be used via TCP, this is stated to be performed for debugging purposes, and probably (AFAICT) isn't supported with Squid.
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09:26<gsimmons_>gabrix_: That leaves you with using cache digests, for communicating with your IRCache peer, via TCP.
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09:27<gabrix_>that's what i want
09:27<gcc>how to install packages that are kept back
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09:27<gabrix_>the wiki goes too much into 1 and zeroes and confused me
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09:27<gabrix_>on the cache digest issue
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09:28<gabrix_>now i'm using in my squid.conf 2 cache oeers
09:28<Guest1898>how to install packages that are kept back ?
09:28<gabrix_>privoxy-tor and ircache
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09:29<gabrix_>privoxy-tor must have priority
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09:29<gsimmons_>gabrix_: Then you'd want to adjust your Squid config, using the "parent with no inter-cache protocol" example in section 3.3 of the IRCache FAQ.
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09:47<^r33p^>How do I run the partition wizard that's part of the debian installation?
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09:48<^r33p^>I want to use it to setup a new disk that I've added to an existing debian 4.0 system
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09:52<dli>^r33p^, try the package: gparted
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09:54<^r33p^>I don't have X on this server. And I think GNU parted doesn't handle XFS, which is the filesystems I want to create
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10:21<E0x>when i upgrade a package exist any way for saw the changelo of the new version before install the new package ?
10:22<dzs>E0x: you can either "just download" the package without installing, then view the changelog via DPKG, or you can look the changelog up on
10:22<quasisane>E0x: or install apt-listchanges
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10:25<E0x>quasisane: how i use apt-listchanges is automatic how apt-listbugs ?
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10:27<quasisane>E0x: after the packages you are installing are downloaded apt-listchanges shows the new entries in the debian changelog
10:27<quasisane>you can have it ask for confirmation before going ahead with the install
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10:28<quasisane>should work automatically with apt-get, aptitude etc.
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10:39<graytron>whats the difference between linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-5-686?
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10:40<Eulex>graytron, linux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage that depends upon the newest 2.6-686 kernel in the release of debian you're using.
10:41<gonzaga>Hi, where i find the packge of esaycam2? For configuration of my webcam?
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10:41<lupine>well, it's not in the repos
10:42<graytron>Eulex: thanks a bunch!
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10:49<gonzaga>How ia
10:50<gonzaga>how i can configuration a webcam? anybory have any guide?
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10:51<streuner>find a driver first
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10:51<dzs>gonzaga: google for ekiga and check out their website
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10:58<graytron>what does the "Standard system" selection (task?) install in debian-installer? can't find a list of packages on install doc
10:59<blarson>graytron: Everything with priority=standard
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11:00<graytron>blarson: wish i had a list :)
11:01<graytron>i will check later once its installed
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11:39<graytron>any ideas why a fresh expert install of Debian from a binary cd 1 results in an unbootable system? grub complains: file not found
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11:44<prometoys>hi, i want to set install a computer with LVM and crypto. But I don't want to delete the harddisk with urandom or so
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11:45<prometoys>i choose "manually" in the partitioner and set up "phy. vol for encryption" and set "erase data" to "no"
11:46<prometoys>now i want to set up LVM, but I dont like to set up each logical volume by my own
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11:47<prometoys>how do i get the comfort of the debian installer back, without loosing this setting
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11:49<omg0_>Is there a way to log into debian and create a username and password if you remember the SU password?
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11:50<Eulex>omg0_, eh, log in as root?
11:50<prometoys>img0: username is root
11:50<prometoys>and then you can create with "adduser" a new user
11:51<prometoys>i mean: log in with root and "SU password"
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12:01<ravl>can someone give me a hand with udev rules?
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12:07<omg0_>I am able to put the SU password to reboot but when I try to use that same password with "root" id it does not work
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12:08<shawn_>when i launch wpa_cli, he says he can't find wpa_supplicant, may someone help me?
12:08<omg0_>ah. Its saying sys admin not allowed to login from that screen
12:08<ravl>shawn_: do you have wpa_supplicant installed?
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12:09<new2debian>question, is there a utility or command that shows what programs/process's are running similiar to task manager in windows ?
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12:10<ravl>new2debian: if you're running KDE, try Ctrl+Esc
12:10<Walte>which device file is for kbd in kernel 2.4 ?
12:10<new2debian>ravl, im using gnome
12:10<shawn_>i launch wpa_supplicant
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12:11<shawn_>and i receive a lsit of parameters and their definitions
12:11<shawn_>so i presume wpa_supplicant
12:11<omg0_>what command do I use to take me to the prompt where I can login as "root"?
12:11<ravl>new2debian: on a console, try 'ps -A'
12:11<shawn_>omg0 avoid logging as root
12:11<new2debian>ravl, thanks
12:11<shawn_>su then root password
12:11<blarson>omg0_: control-alt-f2
12:12<omg0_>shawn_ I don't remember my username and password
12:13<Geoffroy>Hi ! anybody knows if the condorcet counting vote code use for dpl election is available somewhere ?
12:13<ravl>shawn: to start wpa_supplicant you have to be root, and give a series of parameters
12:13<shawn_>omg0 im not a linux expereinced user but i dont tihnk you can recover a password without the root password
12:13<shawn_>once its start wpa_cli will work ravl?
12:14<shawn_>once its started*
12:14<ravl>shawn: yes. wpa_cli is a frontend to wpa_cli. i recommend you also install wpa_gui, it's very helpful
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12:14<omg0_>shawn_ I know the root passw but I don't remember the user. So I am going to log in as root and create or change the user passw
12:14<shawn_>when i type aptitude install wpa_supplicant he tell me he can't find the apcket(maybe its anotehr name?)
12:15<shawn_>ok omg0 ask the main channel to see if anyone knows
12:15<omg0_>blarson, Thanks. That worked
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12:15<ravl>shawn: i think the package doesn't have the _
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12:16<omg0_>! list users
12:16<dpkg>This lists all user accounts with id 1000-1999: getent passwd | awk 'BEGIN { FS = ":"; } /:x:1[0-9][0-9][0-9]:/ { print $1; }'
12:16<shawn_>impossible to find wpa packet
12:16<shawn_>nor supplicant packet
12:16<ravl>shawn: what version of debian are you running?
12:16<shawn_>ravl unstable
12:16<shawn_>and nwo im on terminal no x server
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12:17<ravl>shawn: search for wpasupplicant
12:17<shawn_>type aptitude install wpa_supplicant to see if he says the same at your home?
12:17<ravl>shawn: the package doesn't have the underscore
12:17<shawn_>maybe its another packet name?
12:17<shawn_>wpasupplicant doesnt work either
12:18<ravl>shawn: i see it on my aptitude list
12:18<shawn_>ravl i mystyped ptitude command
12:18<shawn_>ravl i mystyped apttitude sorry
12:19<petemc>twice, no less
12:19<shawn_>wpa_gui will say command not found on x server?
12:19<shawn_>i mean not on x server?
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12:20<ravl>shawn: start wpa_supplicant, then wpa_cli
12:20<omg0_>! change user password
12:20<dpkg>that doesn't look right
12:20<C2ODe>hi to all
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12:20<omg0_>! change password
12:20<dpkg>that doesn't look right
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12:21<omg0_>can everyone see what I type in DPKG when I use only "!"
12:21<ravl>shawn: wpa_supplicant requires you to provide a config file, and the driver to your wlan card
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12:22<shawn_>a newbie question: when on terminal how cna you get to see full output from a command?
12:22<shawn_>i already set up a driver for rt2500
12:22<C2ODe>i need an help about a yuv webcam server streamer. my webcam is well configured and working (using uvc driver), but i can only find compressed jpeg streamer (not supported by my webcam)
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12:23<shawn_>an now when i type iwlist ra0 scan i get a lsit of neighboring ssid so i presume it works
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12:23<shawn_>btw could you tell me like in dos you type /p at the end of a command to see the full output
12:23<shawn_>how do you do the same thing on linux?
12:24<ravl>shawn: '<command> | more'
12:24<ravl>shawn: you probably just need the config file for wpa_supplicant
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12:25<omg0_>Blarson, Do you know what command to use to go back from command to GUI login. ie what would be the opposite of CTRL+ALT+F2
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12:26<Bortolotto>omg0_ ctrl+alt+F7
12:26<shawn_>so could you tell me all i have to d is to write off the specified ssid,wpa version, preshared key, on the wpa_supplicant and thats all? no need of iwconfig?
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12:26<omg0_>Bortolotto, Thanks
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12:27<shawn_>on the config file i mean
12:27<ravl>shawn: wpa_supplicant works instead of iwconfig. write the info in the config file, and start wpa_supplicant.
12:27<omg0_>! how do I change user password as admin
12:27<Eulex>passwd username
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12:28<ravl>shawn: you may need to use dhclient to ask for an IP address once wpa_supplicant is running
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12:29<omg0_>Eulex, Thanks
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12:48<berat>mu machine cannot be suspended or hibernated
12:48<berat>it says
12:51<berat>someone there?
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12:53<the-dude>anything in syslog?
12:53<berat>how can i look syslog
12:53<the-dude>less /var/log/syslog
12:53<berat>oki just a second
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12:55<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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12:57<berat>look at that
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13:04<the-dude>berat, see this post
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13:28<Giacomo>I'm running MySQL on my debian system
13:28<Giacomo>how can I restart it so that the default storage engine becomes InnoDB?
13:29<Mariel>do you speak portuguese???
13:29<the-dude>Giacomo, does mysql contain any databases?
13:29<Giacomo>yes it does
13:29<Giacomo>all tables have been converted
13:29<Giacomo>to InnoDB. Now I want to restart mysql daemon so that
13:30<Giacomo>InnoDB becomes the undiscussed DEFAULT
13:30<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:30<the-dude>oh then just uncomment innodb in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and then stop and start it
13:31<the-dude>but I think the old bases should be dumped and should be imported again to make them use innodb
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14:12<denvik>people help, how to login as root to debian 4?
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14:13<Cybermatt>ok so are you at the gui
14:14<Cybermatt>or on a VT
14:14<denvik>i'm at windows 2000 now )
14:14<denvik>just say where i must search
14:15<Cybermatt>then boot into debian and login as root
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14:16<denvik>i write login: root and password, but debian say what login as root lock
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14:17<darkstar>i have a problem
14:17<darkstar>some people can help me?
14:17<denvik>in others linux os i change this in config menu gui, but in debian i can find it
14:18<darkstar>i have problem with wine and the libstdc6++ doesn't find them
14:18<Eulex>denvik, the root account is locked? do you have sudo setup? if so, try sudo passwd
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14:18<Cybermatt>what do you mean by gui vonfig
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14:20<denvik>i want to login as root before loading desktop
14:21<darkstar>change on desktop administration input window
14:22<darkstar>sorry if the translation is not the correct for this because my english is not good
14:22<denvik>my too )
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14:22<darkstar>i am spanish denvik
14:22<denvik>i'm russian
14:22<Cybermatt>denvik its designed so you can' login as root from the gui
14:22<darkstar>Cybermatt, but you can change this as usual user from the gnome desktop
14:23<Cybermatt>i know
14:23<darkstar>usual user = normal user :)
14:23<denvik>i think too, but i can't find this menu
14:23<darkstar>in the panel of bottom in the desktop menu
14:23<darkstar>my pannels are in spanish
14:24<darkstar>but i explain it in the translation what is the program to run :)
14:24<denvik>i have a debian 4.0
14:24<darkstar>= to me
14:24<darkstar>i am using 4.0r0 debian distro
14:25<denvik>do you can translate name of uor menu in to eanglish?
14:25<darkstar>and i was able to change the desktop entry window to logging as root
14:25<darkstar>but in general is not a good idea
14:26<denvik><darkstar> what is name of theese menu?
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14:27<denvik>i install debian from 1 cd-rom not dvd disk, maybe it is create this problem
14:28<Cybermatt>denvik a console login and startx manually would be good if you *must* login as root with a gui
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14:30<denvik>Cybermatt but how i can change login theme to console?
14:31<Cybermatt>at the login screen there should be an options menu
14:31<denvik>of couse
14:32<Cybermatt>login as root
14:32<denvik>thenk you
14:32<Cybermatt>and then give the command startx
14:32<Cybermatt>if youi want gui
14:33<omg0_>denvik, wow dude. I was just asking that question earlier. I knew the root passwd but forgot any of my user passwds.
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14:33<omg0_>denvik, do CTRL+ALT+F2 and go to comand prompt to log in as root
14:34<denvik><omg0_> i shall try
14:34<Cybermatt>that is another way to do it
14:35<omg0_>denvi, you can use "passwd username" to change user passwd or "adduser" to add new user
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14:36<denvik><omg0_> from console?
14:36<omg0_>denvik, yah. The thing is you must know the root passwd
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14:37<omg0_>if you don't then you are stuck
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14:37<dpkg>dpkg is probably the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>
14:38<dpkg>it has been said that xconfig is for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-mt-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig
14:38<Cybermatt>not so you boot into single user mode and reset root password
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14:57<omg0_>back in the days you use xconfig for configuring monitor. What's the command now?
14:58<PinguX>dpkg-reconfigure X11?
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15:00<Daun>Någon som kan svenska?
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15:00<dpkg>i heard se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (
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15:46<pihl>I need some help with a couple of problems I have with Samba/winbind (on Etch). I get the error "Starting the Winbind daemon: winbind failed!" when I start it up, reinstalling (&purging) doesn't change anything. Setting up winbind (3.0.24-6etch4) ... Starting the Winbind daemon: winbind failed!
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15:46<the-dude>pihl, and do you need winbind?
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15:46<pihl>well, I don't know actually.
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15:47<pihl>I guess so
15:47<the-dude>where do you want to use it for
15:48<pihl>I need to get my network between my debian and windows-computers up, but I guess I can use IP instead of having winbind doing things.
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15:50<fox>que mas
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15:51<pihl>well, seems like that's broken too, then.
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15:52<the-dude>turn winbind of and wins on or add a winsserver in your samba.conf
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15:52<the-dude>and test your config
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15:54<pihl>I'll try that
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16:06<Giacomo>how can I change mysql startup directives in debian
16:06<Giacomo>altering /etc/init.d/mysql script
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16:07<mobbler>hi, weird question, but does anyone here know anything about electronics?
16:07<lupine>bits and pieces
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16:08<Giacomo>how can I change mysql startup directives in debian?
16:08<azeem>Giacomo: what do you mean with startup directives?
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16:09<mobbler>lupine, do you know of an IRC channel on the topic of electronics?
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16:09<Giacomo>command line parameters
16:10<the-dude>mobbler, I know some stuff about electronics
16:10<ricky>Perhaps ##hardware?
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16:59<amac>hola, just installed unstable on my workstation and i'm getting the following error when trying to start X: could not open cursor font 'cursor'
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17:00<amac>it doesn't seem like a very complicated error, but i've installed just about every font/cursor package and i'm still having the same problem
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17:00<amac>anyone have experience with this?
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17:02<the-dude>paste your xorg.log somewere
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17:16<the-dude>amac, (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
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17:16<the-dude>perhaps try your xorg without the glx extension?
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17:19<amac>the GLX extension isn't on in my xorg.conf
17:19<amac>tilt:~# grep -i glx /etc/X11/xorg.conf
17:19<amac>Identifier "Quadro4 980 GLX"
17:19<amac>Device "Quadro4 980 GLX"
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17:20<amac>i also get the same error weather i use the 'nv' or 'nvidia' drivers
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17:20<amac>so it doesn't seem like a driver issue as much as a base x11 package issue
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17:24<the-dude>amac, perhaps this topic will help
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17:26<amac>eeh ok, thanks the-dude
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17:27<the-dude>let me know if it works
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17:30<Giacomo>how can I edit /etc/init.d/mysql script
17:31<Giacomo>in order to change the parameters transferred via command line
17:31<azeem>Giacomo: with an edito?
17:31<the-dude>Giacomo, vi vim, pico , nano
17:31<Giacomo>no no
17:31<Giacomo>different question
17:31<Giacomo>I would like to load mysql
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17:31<Giacomo>specifying that InnoDB has to be my default storage engine
17:32<the-dude>Giacomo, I think I awsered that question earlyer this evening
17:32<Giacomo>yes but I searched my.cnf
17:32<Giacomo>not finding this option
17:33<Giacomo>the ONLY way to force mysql using InnoDB as default storage engine
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17:33<Giacomo>is sending those "command line directives"
17:33<Giacomo>if you run "htop"
17:33<Giacomo>you can see that mysqld
17:34<Giacomo>has "something" more
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17:34<Giacomo>like --skip-external-lock
17:34<Giacomo>and stuff like that
17:34<Giacomo>how can I change that stuff?
17:35<the-dude>why do you want to change it? it is compatible with the rest of your system
17:35<Giacomo>change it ADDING
17:35<Gradiz>âû ãîâîðèòå ïî ðóññêè?
17:35<Giacomo>the specific instruction which tells mysql "please use InnoDB as default storage engine"
17:36<Giacomo>how can I APPEND more options the ones listed
17:37<Gradiz>Êòî çíàåò ÷òî åòî çà äèñê è çà÷åì îí ê îñíîâíîìó äèñòðèáóòèâó?
17:37<Giacomo> default-storage-engine=innodb
17:39<the-dude>I think mysql 5 uses innodb by default
17:40<Giacomo>no, it doesn't
17:41<the-dude>mine does ....
17:41<Giacomo>I see
17:41<the-dude>And I am running a default config
17:41<Giacomo>me too!
17:41<Giacomo>Debian Etch latest updates
17:41<the-dude>is skip-bdb on or off?
17:42<Giacomo>what strange configuration have I got???
17:42<Giacomo>I've found that
17:42<the-dude>skip-innodb on or of?
17:42<Giacomo>in my.cnf, [mysqld] section
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17:42<Giacomo>default-storage-engine = MyISAM
17:42<Giacomo>can be changed into InnoDB
17:42<Giacomo>but in my configuration that line was not present
17:43<Giacomo>so you WERE right
17:43<Giacomo>sorry :)
17:43<the-dude>no worries
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17:45<spiderr>I need some help with my debian etch
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17:46<spiderr>I caannot set refresh rate for my monitor
17:47<the-dude>and why do you think you can't ?
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17:47<spiderr>i dont know i aam newww aat linux
17:48<the-dude>you can set in in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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17:49<the-dude>do you have a running X?
17:50<the-dude>try the package xdebconfigurator
17:50<the-dude>it will tell you optimal refreshrates
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17:50<ccg->how to upgrade packages that are kept back
17:51<the-dude>apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get install package-name
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17:51<the-dude>but most of the times they are kept back with a reason
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17:52<the-dude>spiderr, check out HOR SYNC and VER REFR
17:52<the-dude>spiderr, and use thos values in your xconf
17:54<spiderr>thank you i wil try
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18:01<jeanluke123>hello can anyone help with ARM broken installs?
18:02<the-dude>whats broken?
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18:02<jeanluke123>hi there, well , its like this...
18:03<jeanluke123>I have a slug and last week before the 17th i got it working ok with the online install..
18:03<jeanluke123>there was a posting that they did something during an upgrade from 40r0 to 40r1..and the kernel will not compile..
18:03<jeanluke123>so they say wait till 40r2...
18:04<jeanluke123>I followed the online help by
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18:04<jeanluke123>no go... a dead slug..
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18:04<jeanluke123>it just doesnt boot really,
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18:05<jeanluke123>I have a feeling its the flash utility I's windows based as my other pc has redhat and redhat does not have any easy way of using upslug2 :(
18:06<jeanluke123>the utility works with Linksys firmware though...ok, ? ! Strange
18:07<jeanluke123>anyone have some ideas ? I was hoping from the menu install I can select an unstable install but it doesnt offer me this.
18:08<the-dude>have you checked and read the documentation on
18:09<the-dude>cause I don't think much nslu experts hang around here
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18:10<Giacomo>sorry for bugging you
18:10<Giacomo>I've noticed that some stupid people try to get into my server
18:10<Giacomo>logging in as "paul" with no password
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18:11<the-dude>thats quiet normal
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18:11<Giacomo>or "john", "deborah" and similar stuff
18:11<Giacomo>they're stupid and cannot gain access to my server
18:11<Giacomo>but they infest my logs
18:11<Giacomo>and my logcheck report
18:12<Giacomo>is there any way I can tell ssh to ban those stupid bots after 5 login retries
18:12<Giacomo>is there any iptables script
18:12<the-dude>check out denyhosts
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18:15<the-dude>or if you want a complete firewall check out shorewall
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18:16<Giacomo>I see
18:16<Giacomo>i'm reading about denyhosts
18:16<Giacomo>it is dangerous
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18:16<Giacomo>because denied hosts do not expire
18:17<Giacomo>so I can be cut out of my server
18:17<Giacomo>If I do some login retries
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18:18<ricky>You can make them expire, actually.
18:18<Giacomo>reading manual
18:18<ricky>And then set a # of times that an IP's ban can expire before it becomes permanent.
18:19<Giacomo>thank you for your suggestion
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18:20<jeanluke123>oh yes I have read it like 3 times
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18:20<Giacomo>a question
18:20<Giacomo>is there any way to force denyhosts send reports throughout sendmail?
18:20<Giacomo>it is ugly that it requires an SMTP server to be set
18:21<Giacomo>I've carefully configured postfix in order to get it working with a SMTP server requiring authentication
18:21<the-dude>anything can be fixed
18:21[~]ricky isn't sure, unfortunately.
18:22<joao>good night... i'm a new user and i'd like to know how to instal lamp
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18:22<joao>someone can help me
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18:22<jeanluke123>i believe anything can be fixed, its just how long till I blow my fuse :)
18:22<the-dude>Giacomo, either fill in your sendmail address of use your postfix
18:23<Giacomo>thank ou
18:23<jeanluke123><the-dude> so any expert sluggers out here ?
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18:24<the-dude>don't think so
18:24<the-dude>perhaps one of the other channels
18:25<the-dude>jeanluke123, I think there are some slug channels
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21:12<munki>hey guys
21:12<munki>quick question
21:13<munki>my kdelibs package is broken or something, gives me one of these " kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-6) but 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-5 is to be installed"
21:13<DeepDayze>have to wait
21:13<munki>is there any way i could fix it or am i gonna have to wait for one of the devs or something to do it
21:13<munki>DeepDayze: any idea how long it could take? my amarok isn't working and i think it's because of this
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21:14<DeepDayze>latest kdelibs4c2a has not been uploaded yet
21:14<DeepDayze>not sure
21:14<DeepDayze>what's wrong with your amarok?
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21:14<munki>DeepDayze: it just doesn't load
21:14<munki>the startup splash image stays on the screen
21:14<DeepDayze>try in a console
21:14<munki>when i do it from console it gives me this: Amarok: [Loader] Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?
21:15<DeepDayze>maybe...anything else that could conflict with it?
21:15<munki>not really
21:15<DeepDayze>what version of amarok?
21:15<munki>i was doing a dist-upgrade and my mp3 support got deleted or something, so i reinstalled all of xine and its plugins and amarok
21:16<munki>and then amarok decided it wouldn't work anymore
21:16<DeepDayze>are you using sid?
21:16<DeepDayze>there's been some amarok breakage
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21:16<DeepDayze>something to do with xine libs
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21:17<munki>DeepDayze: yeah that was my problem
21:17<munki>now it doesn't even start up
21:18<DeepDayze>did you do: apt-get install libxine1 libxine1-ffmpeg
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21:18<munki>DeepDayze: yep
21:19<DeepDayze>then try this command: sed -i "s/\,sidux/\,$(getent passwd 1000 | cut -d\: -f1)/" /etc/group
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21:19<DeepDayze>wronc chat
21:19<munki>what did that do
21:19<munki>did that mess anything up >_<
21:19<DeepDayze>one sec
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21:20<DeepDayze>add your user to audio group?
21:20<munki>oh heh
21:20<DeepDayze>maybe another thing is to rebuild your database
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21:21<munki>wait i did that sed script that you just showed, is that a problem or something
21:21<knoppix_>hello guys
21:21<DeepDayze>you can fix that
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21:21<DeepDayze>lemme see
21:21<DeepDayze>i meant that for someone else
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21:21<Guest1950>hey guys i had a question
21:21<DeepDayze>and i posted it in wrong window :S
21:22<munki>DeepDayze: it's cool i'm kind of tweaking out right now... just had a triple shot espresso
21:22<munki>i've been trigger happy with my copy-pastes
21:22<freecom4ever>hi somebody know the irc for user that speak spanish? xD please? (sorry my english is worst)
21:22<Guest1950>i just got this disk, can you guys teach me how do work it?
21:22<DeepDayze>think you can undo that
21:22<munki>Guest1950: what do you want to know?
21:23<DeepDayze>munki: in /etc/ have a user with uid 1000?
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21:23<munki>DeepDayze: yeah my regular user has uid=1000 i think
21:23<munki>isn't that where users start
21:23<Guest1950>my friend told me that this disk has alot of features and stuff for getting inside of games and stuff i want to know how to do that
21:24<DeepDayze>chk your /etc/groups
21:24<munki>Guest1950: "inside of games"?
21:24<munki>DeepDayze: yeah 'munki' is uid=1000
21:24<Guest1950>like hacking games and changing their script
21:24<freecom4ever>munki I try speack for how to apache with user that speak spanish
21:25<DeepDayze>what groups is your user in?
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21:25<munki>DeepDayze: uhh wheel audio
21:25<munki>i don't know
21:25<munki>i didn't really mess with it
21:25<Guest1950>do you guys know how to hack games?
21:25<DeepDayze>maybe that command didn't do any harm...
21:25<DeepDayze>so I got lucky
21:25<DeepDayze>with you...
21:25<munki>dialout floppy cdrom audio video plugdev netdev powerdev
21:25<munki>that's the groups
21:26<DeepDayze>ahh...looks good
21:26<blarson>!tell freecom4ever about es
21:26<DeepDayze>so looks like no damage
21:26<munki>what does that script do?
21:26<ranix>hax hax
21:26<DeepDayze>it changes your user
21:26<munki>okay new development
21:26<munki>amarok runs when i'm root
21:26<munki>just not as regular user
21:27<Guest1950>munki u readin?
21:27<ranix>Guest1950: to be a real hacker you have to get into some real heavy metal
21:27<ranix>Guest1950: like one of those Gibsons, man, those are SEEEXY
21:27<Guest1950>how do you guys send a private message
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21:27<munki>Guest1950: i think your friend was talking crap... linux can't help you hacks a game any more than windows
21:27<ranix>Guest1950: we use NETCAT
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21:27<munki>ranix: dion't hax my gibson!
21:28<Guest1950>were can i get this netcat?
21:28<ranix>and we call them PACKETS, not "messages"
21:28<ranix>You have to compile it with l33t cflags
21:28<munki>Guest1950: just open up a terminal and type in 'init 0'
21:28<munki>make sure you're root though
21:28<munki>so type in su first
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21:28<DeepDayze>add your user to users group, munki
21:28<abrotman>munki: wtf
21:28<Guest1950>init 0?
21:28<DeepDayze>still chking...
21:28<munki>Guest1950: just joking
21:29<munki>don't actually do that
21:29<munki>that'll just turn your computer off
21:29<Guest1950>hey ramix can you tell me how to get tat netcat?
21:29<ranix>Guest1950: sudo apt-get install netcat
21:29<ranix>Guest1950: make sure yours doesn't come with package rabies5-dev
21:29<munki>ranix: can he do that? he's using knoppix
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21:29<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unoffical:
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21:30<ranix>real hackers don't use Knoppix
21:30<Guest1950>were do i go to get the netcat exactly?
21:30<Guest1950>i have knoppix
21:30<abrotman>#knoppix on
21:30<ranix>your cflags won't work right in knoppix, you have to ask #knoppix how to make them work
21:30<piper>real hackers don't use sudo :)
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21:30<Guest1950>whos #knoppix?
21:31<munki>Guest1950: it's an underground hacker organization
21:31<abrotman>munki: you're not helping
21:31<Guest1950>does any1 play legend of mir or world of warcraft here
21:31<munki>abrotman: :p
21:31<abrotman>Guest1950: knoppix is a distro based on debian .. the support channel is #knoppix on
21:32<Guest1950>so knoppix is crap?
21:32<DeepDayze>not really
21:33<DeepDayze>its a useful distro
21:33<DeepDayze>but there is a help channel for it as abrotman noted above
21:33<piper>DeepDayze: hmm, whats up
21:33<DeepDayze>hey piper
21:33<Guest1950>im clicking it nothing is happening
21:33<ranix>Guest1950: you have to click "Knoppix"
21:34<Guest1950>i just clicked it, nothing is happening for some weird reason
21:34<ranix>click it harder
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21:34<ranix>sometimes you have to triple-click in linux
21:34<ranix>that's why we use Ratpoison
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21:34<munki>ranix: i heard once of a dude having to quadruple click
21:34<munki>that was scary
21:34<ranix>munki: I hope he wasn't on a mac
21:35<munki>no that would have destroyed his gibson
21:35<Guest1950>munki: some real help please?
21:35<piper>apt-get install click
21:35<munki>Guest1950: we told you, we're not going to help you here
21:35<munki>type in this
21:35<ranix>he can't, piper he's on knoppix
21:35<munki>/server and then after that type in /j #knoppix
21:35<piper>oh ;)
21:35<munki>and aks the people in ther
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21:36<DeepDayze>geez, Guest1950? Why are you being like this? This is #debian room
21:36<munki>people these days
21:36<DeepDayze>if you are not familiar with irc, you can get irc help on line
21:37<munki>DeepDayze: he bounced already
21:37<DeepDayze>about time
21:37<DeepDayze>sheesh what a troll
21:37<zangetsu>hi i have a problem whit "apt" looks please:
21:37<zangetsu>apt-get update
21:37<zangetsu>E: Falta el directorio de listas /var/lib/apt/lists/partial.
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21:37<munki>i don't think he was a troll, we were trolling him :p
21:37<DeepDayze>he was in wrong room
21:37<DeepDayze>he needs to go to knoppix room
21:37<munki>zangetsu: are you using spanish debian?
21:38<Ownage>i typed in what you told me
21:38<Ownage>the server doesnt work
21:38<munki>!tell zangetsu about es
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21:38<zangetsu>i from chile
21:38<zangetsu>hablo español
21:39<Ownage>what games do you guys play?
21:39<zangetsu>but , in the channels in spanish not responding
21:39<blarson>Ownage: dpkg-buildpkg
21:39<zangetsu>munki: can you help me?
21:40<Ownage>you guys look like you have some nice programs
21:40<munki>zangetsu: i don't really know what your problem is, perhaps someone else does?
21:42<zangetsu>my problem is when execute apt -update . make error E: Falta el directorio de listas /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
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21:43<Ownage>munki: can you please tell me what program you use
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21:44<blarson>Ownage: Actually right now I'm playing JOSM
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21:45<Ownage>hey munki i just want to ask you one thing
21:46<Ownage>you ther?
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22:01<tcsetattr>"Falta el directorio de listas" is the translation of "Lists directory is missing"
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22:02<tcsetattr>sounds like a serious problem
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22:04<tcsetattr>you could mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial but I bet there will be more trouble after that
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22:08<DeepDayze>how can the lists dir be rebuilt?
22:09<DeepDayze>i once had that issue
22:09<DeepDayze>so I did a reinstall
22:09<allisterb>Hi, Does anybody know how to solve the problem when you try to upgrade libc6 and it tells you it can't be removed 'cause another version was found in and it would be "dangerous to be removed"
22:12<tcsetattr>apt-get update should recreate everything in there
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22:13<tcsetattr>put your back to normal?
22:14<allisterb>tcsetattr I didn't change it...
22:15<allisterb> lib
22:15<tcsetattr>i486-linuxlibc1 ?!
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22:16<allisterb>? It was there...
22:16<allisterb>then /usr/local/lib
22:16<allisterb>and /usr/lib/mozilla and /usr/X11R6/lib
22:17<tcsetattr>did it give a list of "Matching libraries" ?
22:17<tcsetattr>at the failed upgrade, I mean
22:17<allisterb>lemme run it again and tell you exactly what it says
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22:21<soberon>Good evening... Somebody knows if Debian4 already have the zd1211_rw compiled in kernel?
22:22<chealer>soberon: yes
22:22<soberon>sorry... zd1211_rw module for wireless usb
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22:22<soberon>Thanks... so only plug and setup
22:23<soberon>Thanks a lot Chealer
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22:23<gsimmons>soberon: Not quite. You'll probably need to install the associated 'zd1211-firmware' package, too.
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22:24<soberon>ohh... download it and install where?...
22:25<soberon>In what file?
22:27<blarson>soberon: aptitude install zd1211-firmware is what I'd guess. Probably in nonfree.
22:27<[gloom]>soberon: apt-get update and then apt-get install zd1211-firmware
22:28<soberon>So... it is in repositories Is'it?
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22:29<soberon>Thanks a lot... life is easy with Debian and the Debian's Knights
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22:32<soberon>Good night sirs and thanks again
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22:32<sigp239>anyone know why make-live is deprecated?
22:33<Amy>Hello. My upgrade from sarge to etch worked out pretty well on the first two systems; but for the third, and the only one running postgresql/dovecot, the postgresql upgrade hasn't been good.
22:34<dondelelcaro>sigp239: have they possibly moved to live-helper?
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22:34<sigp239>dondelelcaro: i did install live-helper
22:35<sigp239>but the command to execute is 'make-live' and it says it's deprecated (running lenny)
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22:36<dondelelcaro>sigp239: it should say what it's deprecated in favor of; dpkg -L live-helper; may tell you
22:36[~]dondelelcaro honestly hasn't used make-live recently, though.
22:37<dondelelcaro>(and it is undergoing rapid development)
22:37<sigp239>dpkg -L live-helper spits out a bunch of text no idea
22:37<dpkg>No packages found matching live-helper spits out a bunch of text no idea
22:38<dondelelcaro>sigp239: yeah, it'd output all of the files in the package. Check out what's in bin to see if they've moved to another command
22:38<Amy>Is anybody here running postgresql ?
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22:39<sigp239>don't see it
22:39<sigp239>people over in #debian-live are dead
22:40<omg0_>I upgraded from sarge -> etch but after reboot no xserver
22:41<omg0_>!dpkg install xserver
22:41<omg0_>!install xserver
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22:41<omg0_>how does this dpkg thing work?
22:42<Mindtech>I have a Pentium D chip on my motherboard, should I be using the i386 or amd64 version of Debian?
22:43<lupine>is it dual-core?
22:43<omg0_>Mindtech, pentium is i
22:43<omg0_>the AMD is a different chip
22:43<dondelelcaro>sigp239: you apparently are supposed to use the lh_ tools
22:43<dondelelcaro>sigp239: et al.
22:43<sigp239>dondelelcaro: I got it to work with the lh_tools, except I couldn't figure out how to make it with kde
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22:44<Mindtech>I am speaking of a Pentium D chip
22:44<Mindtech>in regards to its archtitecture
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22:44<Mindtech>because AMD chips run on i386
22:44<dondelelcaro>Mindtech: you could run either
22:44<Mindtech>The Pentium D is considered 64 bit
22:45<Mindtech>dondelelcaro, any bonuses to going the amd 64 from the i386?
22:45<sigp239>dondelelcaro: for example, with make-live command it would be "make-live -p kde-desktop". But I don't know how to pass the kde-desktop argument to the lh_build command.
22:45<dondelelcaro>Mindtech: it'll possibly run slightly faster
22:45<dondelelcaro>sigp239: it's probably specified in the lh_config step, but you'd really have to read the documentation.
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22:45<Mindtech>i'd have to do a complete install, right?
22:46<omg0_>dondelelcaro; why would it run faster when the technology in architecture is different
22:47<omg0_>The intel chip was not made to be compatible with the AMD
22:47<Mindtech>omg, i386 == 32 bit
22:47<Mindtech>amd64 == 64 bit
22:47<dondelelcaro>omg0_: what are you talking about? they use the same instruction set.
22:47<omg0_>yah but not the same achitecture
22:47<Mindtech>Intel and AMD chips can run on both platforms
22:47<dondelelcaro>omg0_: so?
22:48<omg0_>they process the information different
22:48<Mindtech>don, I think he is taking the word AMD from AMD64 literally
22:48<dondelelcaro>omg0_: so?
22:48<lupine>there are two types of 64-bit instruction sets
22:48<dondelelcaro>there are quite a large number of 64 bit instruction sets, actually.
22:48<lupine>on any desktop computer, the cpu - whether intel or amd - will use "amd64"
22:48<lupine>dondelelcaro: I know :D
22:49<dondelelcaro>but yeah, the 64 bit cpu that almost anyone has is amd64
22:49<sigp239>dondelelcaro: docs are out of date. wiki is out of date also
22:50<Mindtech>Well with the new Core2 duo and PentiumD chips, its turning around no
22:50<dondelelcaro>sigp239: use the source, luke?
22:50<omg0_>I stand corrected then if it so. I guess I was thinking of it as RISC 64 bit being different from Intel 64
22:50<lupine>core2 duo use amd64 instruction set
22:50<chealer>omg0_: you write "!foo" in the channel if you want the dpkg to output the factoid named "foo" in the channel. you can send it private messages too, such as "/msg dpkg help"
22:50<sigp239>dondelelcaro: the source is not strong in this one
22:50<dondelelcaro>IA64 is a totally different instruction set
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22:51<dondelelcaro>(and saying risc 64 is confusing, cause there are two relatively common 64 bit risc instruction sets)
22:51<omg0_>my point being that I don't expect instructions written for one to work on the other
22:52<dondelelcaro>ppc64 (aka POWER4) and sparc 64
22:52<omg0_>I do know that for a while AMD and Intel run the same way as AMD was copying intel
22:52<lupine>wrong way around
22:52<dondelelcaro>well, both ways are correct.
22:52<omg0_>but I thought they changed after AMD starting leading
22:52<lupine>amd got 64 bit to the desktop first. intel followed with ia64 on the server, but dropped it as a white elephan on the destop
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22:53<omg0_>so I stand corrected then if there is no difference
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23:04<omg0_>what's wrong with my syntax to install xserver on new upgrade from sarge to etch
23:04<omg0_>I have aptitude install xserver-xorg
23:04<dondelelcaro>you probably just want aptitude install xorg; but the above should work.
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23:07<omg0_>dondelelcaro; thanks.
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23:28<munki>anyone ever experience iceweasel freezing whenever you play a youtube video
23:29<munki>ie it works fine until you hit the play button in the flash plugin
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