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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-08-31

---Logopened Fri Aug 31 00:00:04 2007
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00:04<hexstar>Please help! When I use Debian sometimes I get horny. It makes my rocket ship take off. Sometimes I orgasim if I use Debian long enough. Now people in the white house are laughing at me as I have to use Debian for work. Is this a known bug? How can I fix this? Where is the patch?
00:05<hexstar>please help, this is very urgent
00:05<hexstar>I might orgasm soon
00:06<hexstar>please help
00:06<hexstar>!ping
00:06<dpkg>pong
00:07<hexstar>uh oh...here it comes
00:07<hexstar>oh no! I just orgasm'd and now they're laughing again
00:07<hexstar>how to fix?!
00:08<hexstar>please aid immediately
00:08<hexstar>help
00:08<hexstar>me
00:08<hexstar>;
00:09<hexstar>help!
00:09<hexstar>!pig
00:09<dpkg>*oink* *oink* *oink*
00:09<hexstar>!ping
00:09<dpkg>pong
00:10<hexstar>!cat
00:10<dpkg>well, cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. see also <more> <less> <dog>
00:10<hexstar>!cow
00:10<dpkg>methinks cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo
00:10<hexstar>!noo
00:10<hexstar>!moo
00:10<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
00:10<hexstar>apt-get moo
00:10<blarson_>!insult hexstar
00:10<dpkg>hexstar is nothing but a warped heap of tempestuous cold sores
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00:11<hexstar>please help me blarson_ before I orgasm again
00:12<hexstar>!gwb
00:12<dpkg>i guess gwb is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W_Bush
00:12<hexstar>!insult blarson_
00:12<dpkg>blarson_ is nothing but a fobbing mound of weasel-smelling pus
00:12<hexstar>!orgasm
00:12<dpkg>*YES* *YES* *YES*
00:13<hexstar>!help
00:13<hexstar>!attention
00:13<dpkg>i guess attention is YESSIR
00:14<hexstar>!what is your age?
00:14<dpkg>hexstar: I think you lost me on that one
00:14<hexstar>!age
00:14<dpkg>I'm 80 years old.
00:14<hexstar>!gender
00:14<dpkg>I'm sexless
00:14<hexstar>!version
00:14<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a
00:15<hexstar>!creator
00:15<dpkg>[creator] the guy who made it
00:15<hexstar>!whoami
00:15<dpkg>you're hexstar you donkey!
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00:15<hexstar>!fuck
00:15<dpkg>fuck is, like, cool
00:15<hexstar>!fuck me
00:15<hexstar>!sex
00:16<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep
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00:17<hexstar>!sex | [gloom]
00:17<dpkg>| [gloom] is about 96% female
00:18<[gloom]>hehehe
00:18<_chealer>hexstar: stop
00:18<hexstar>_chealer: I'm aiting for someone to help me
00:19<hexstar>van you help me?
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00:20<sss>can nyone help me?
00:20<sss>!help
00:21<sss>!notice
00:21<[gloom]>sss: ask
00:21<sss>!atención por favor
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00:33<predder>!ask
00:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
00:34<predder>!french
00:34<dpkg>Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
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00:38<Luria>anyone have any luck with getting a touchscreen working under etch?
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00:38<Luria>i'm on a panasonic cf-m34, with a gunze serial touchscreen
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00:39<Luria>no one?
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00:53<maik>hello there! i need a webcam that works on linux.. any suggestions?
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00:56<jm_>shitloads of webcams work in Linux
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00:58<sortadi>maik, any webcam compliant with the spca5xx chipset family
00:59<maik>i have 3 webcams here at our office neither 1 is working :c i would like to buy a new one but im afraid bcoz i dunno if it is compatible
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01:02<maik>sortadi, ok.. can u pls give me the exact model?
01:02<sortadi>no
01:02<sortadi>As I said
01:03<sortadi>any webcam compliant with that chipset family
01:03<sortadi>maik, aptitude show gspca
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01:03<sortadi>maik, and read the supported brands for it
01:03<Luria>ah... the trials of a lamp porn setup
01:03<gsimmons>maik: You can verify device compatibility by referencing a HCL, such as <http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php/cat/200>.
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01:04<maik>WOW thanks a lot guys :)
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01:12<jm_>gspca page also lists all the models ...
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01:27<jirka>how do i mount two partitions on / pls? i've got 10GB primary partition with system installed on it where is about 5GB used, so i freed 100GB, created another ext3 partition and would like to mount it on / too, but when i do it, fdisk tells me that there's only about 5GB free on that new partition (it's same amount as it is on the old one ...
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01:28<EricB>you can't have two partitions mounted under /
01:28<EricB>you can mount one as / and another as /somethign
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01:29<jirka>oh i see, thank you
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01:32<tcsetattr>union mount as root? might be possible.
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02:07<entuall>hi
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02:09<chuy_max>hi
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02:17<Requiem>hmm
02:17<Requiem>isn't it common practise to make available a download of the source code of a distrobution?
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02:18<stranger_>ji all
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02:19<stranger_>I managed to configure nf on my server pc and mount it on my desktop.. but I have a couple of video clips that refuse to run. although if copied locally they do
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02:23<chuy_max>Requiem, depends on the programmer
02:23<chuy_max>s
02:24<chuy_max>Requiem, it is pretty common to have the source code of linux distros
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02:24<indraveni>hi all
02:24<indraveni>I am trying to create debian install usb
02:24<indraveni>the is , os which installs from usb stick and thus followed the http://d-i.pascal.at/ documentation
02:24<indraveni>but, while i am extracting the boot.img.gz content into the usb using the zcat command, its taking nearly 760 MB of space elaving only 222 mb of space for me to load the ISO image of 640 Mb which is not possible
02:24<indraveni>is there only one way for me to use higher size of usb stick ?
02:24<indraveni>help needed please
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02:28<Requiem>Can't seem to find any for Ubuntu
02:28<predder>Requiem, any source code you mean?
02:29<Requiem>no, as far as individual parts you can get it out of Ubuntu's repository
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02:29<Requiem>just nothing for the distro as a whole
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02:29<tcsetattr>what do you think is in the whole besides the parts?
02:29<jm_>no it doesn't have to be available as a download
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02:30<Requiem>Kinda messes up my obligations if I'm handing somebody a copy of the binaries though
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02:32<predder>what obligations are they Requiem ?
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02:32<Requiem>Technically I need to give someone the source, at least for the GPL parts, if I give them binaries.
02:33<indraveni>no one here to help me in creating a botoable usb stick
02:33<indraveni>?
02:33<Requiem>indraveni: No, clue, sorry.
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02:36<blarson_>Requiem: or a written offer to suppy source at cost
02:36<tcsetattr>the http://d-i.pascal.at/ you referenced is for sarge
02:36<Requiem>I thought that wasn't introduced until GPL3?
02:36<indraveni>tcsetattr, i refered the same
02:36<predder>!tell indraveni about usb install
02:37<tcsetattr>it's for SARGE.
02:37<indraveni>i have refered those docs
02:37<indraveni>predder, my problem is space in usb
02:37<indraveni>extracting the boot.im.gz file if occuping most of my usb space
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02:37<indraveni>is my only solution to increaase the usb size ?
02:38<Requiem>how big is the one you have?
02:38<indraveni>Requiem, i have 1 GB
02:38<indraveni>Requiem, and my ISO image is of 640 MB
02:38<cE_peaCe-EfEzz>jgkjh
02:38<blarson_>Requiem: it is in v2
02:39<indraveni>and the boto.img.gz if of 16mb , but extracting it using zcat is taking 760 mb of my usb
02:39<tcsetattr>what is this boot.img.gz you're talking about? where'd you get it from?
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02:42<indraveni>its from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media
02:42<indraveni>this link is given in the doc o http://d-i.pascal.at/
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02:43<tcsetattr>why sarge?
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02:46<indraveni>tcsetattr, i am tring for sarge
02:47<indraveni>tcsetattr, the same i have for lenny version also, and i am using that also
02:47<indraveni>both are of 16mb size
02:47<tcsetattr>you know, there is etch between sarge and lenny. etch is the current stable release.
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02:48<tcsetattr>the next question, after we give up on finding out why you're installing the old release, is why you think you need both boot.img AND an isofs
02:48<indraveni>tcsetattr, yes
02:48<indraveni>tcsetattr, even that is the same issue
02:48<indraveni>tcsetattr, isofs?
02:49<indraveni>tcsetattr, what is isofs?
02:49<indraveni>I have an iso image of etch, lenny as well as sarge
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02:49<tcsetattr><indraveni> Requiem, and my ISO image is of 640 MB
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02:49<indraveni>and i am trying all parallelely, but all the boot.img.gz files are of same size
02:49<miksuh>indraveni: why you are installing Sarge? Xurrent stable release is Etch
02:49<indraveni>and thus facing the same problem of size in usb
02:50<miksuh>current
02:50<tcsetattr>ugh.
02:50<tcsetattr>you are missing the point.
02:50<jm_>it's a file system image, did you verify how much is actually free inside it
02:50<indraveni>mikegrb, i am using etch, just for reference i gave that location
02:50<indraveni>jm_, inside which ?
02:51<jm_>indraveni: the one you mentioned about 6 times by now
02:51<indraveni>jm_, inside usb ?
02:52<jm_>indraveni: no, file system
02:52<indraveni>jm_, sorry , i have 972 MB of fre space after i formatted in fat16
02:52<jm_>indraveni: you don't get it - how much does df show is free after you zcat and mount the file system?
02:53<indraveni>jm_, ohh,
02:53<indraveni>jm_, it shows 223 MB
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02:53<jm_>indraveni: ok so that won't help you then, you'll need to remove some stuff then
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02:54<tcsetattr>I downloaded it and ended up with /tmp/etch.img 244480 15572 228908 7% /mnt
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02:54<tcsetattr>the instructions say to put the businesscard or netinst image in there, not a full-CD image.
02:54<indraveni>jm_, uff, I am seeing a misbehaviuor of my usb here
02:54<jm_>so it's only 240M then?
02:54<indraveni>df outout shows something like this,
02:55<indraveni>/dev/sdb1 239M 17M 223M 7% /mnt/disk[sdb1]
02:55<jm_>plenty of space to resize it and add the rest of CD on it then
02:55<indraveni>jm_, so totally only 239M, but after i formatted, df is showing me 972, wheres all my remaining space is going ?
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02:56<tcsetattr>it seems like you are not following instructions well.
02:56<jm_>indraveni: that's because it also contains partition data, run fdisk -l on it
02:56<tcsetattr>the df you are showing is from one of those boot.img files, right?
02:57<indraveni>tcsetattr, yes
02:57<indraveni>tcsetattr, i have now done cfdisk and created a partiontion of full space and now df shows as available space of 979 mb
02:58<indraveni>but again after extracting the output os same
02:58<tcsetattr>the boot.img is 239M big. that's its size. it doesn't use the full partition. now why don't you follow the next step in the instructions correctly?
02:59<indraveni>tcsetattr, when i did so, no spce in device to sopy the iso image error is displayed
02:59<tcsetattr>what is the next line after the zcat in the instructions?
02:59<indraveni>tcsetattr, cd /mnt/sdb
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03:00<indraveni>tcsetattr, wget /http://..........iso image
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03:00<tcsetattr>what?
03:00<indraveni>tcsetattr, here issue is with my partitioning not with my method i feel
03:00<tcsetattr>I'm looking at http://d-i.pascal.at/
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03:01<tcsetattr>after the zcat it says "Again, take care that you use the correct device name for your USB stick. After that, mount the partition on your USB memory stick (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt) and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it (please note that th
03:01<indraveni>tcsetattr, yes, that copying of iso image i amdoing throug wget command
03:01<tcsetattr>you are getting the wrong ISO image. read it again. It says "netinst or businesscard"
03:01<tcsetattr>that boot.img is not SUPPOSED to be able to hold a 700-meg.
03:02<indraveni>tcsetattr, in the intro m its given if nertboot then that image, else we can use our cd iso image
03:02<indraveni>tcsetattr, check ths also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446
03:03<tcsetattr>I don't know where you're reading this stuff because I'm seeing the instructions clearly and they don't say what you say.
03:04<tcsetattr>if you want to use more space you'll have to follow the "hard way" instructions. But since you are incapable of even following the "easy way" instructions, I doubt that would go well.
03:04<indraveni>If you want to use the USB stick only for booting and then to fetch the packages of the base system over the network (from a Debian mirror), you should change to the netboot directory. If you want to install the base system from a Debian ISO image contained on the USB stick, then choose the hd-media directory.
03:04<indraveni>since i am taking debian iso image i am using hd-media, boot.img.gz file
03:05<tcsetattr>great
03:05<tcsetattr>now you're quoting some other instructions that are not the same as the ones I thought you were following
03:05<tcsetattr>can you please pick one set of instructions and STICK with it?
03:05<indraveni>tcsetattr, the above i a have from the doc http://d-i.pascal.at/
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03:06<tcsetattr>no it isn't!
03:06<indraveni>tcsetattr, all the methods are giving same problem
03:06<tcsetattr>dammit.
03:07<tcsetattr>get the netinst*.iso it will fit.
03:07<indraveni>tcsetattr, can you please help me in one this
03:07<tcsetattr>that is what is supposed to happen.
03:07<tcsetattr>you are not following the instructions.
03:07<tcsetattr>it says netinst or businesscard. you should do what it says.
03:07<indraveni>tcsetattr, i ahve formtedd my usb with mkfs.vfat command and then mounted my usb and executed the df -h command
03:08<indraveni>tcsetattr, the output shows, /dev/sdb1 979M 4.0K 979M 1% /mnt/disk[sdb1]
03:08<tcsetattr>YOU KEEP CHANGING THINGS AROUND.
03:08<indraveni>so, this means, that i have 979M of free space, right ?
03:08<tcsetattr>yes.
03:09<indraveni>tcsetattr, i am tring to solve my space problem only, let us leave the iso iamge problem for the time being
03:09<tcsetattr>ok
03:09<tcsetattr>now what comes after the mkdosfs in the instructions at http://d-i.pascal.at/ ?
03:10<indraveni> zcat boot.img.gz >/dev/sda1
03:10<indraveni>so i am unmouting the usb and executng the above command
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03:10<tcsetattr>WRONG!
03:10<tcsetattr>zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda1 is in the first section, labeled "the easy way"
03:10<tcsetattr>making your own FAT filesystem is in the second section, labeled "the hard way"
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03:10<tcsetattr>you can't do both!
03:11<tcsetattr>you are trying to do a combination of those 2 sets of instructions and it ain't going to work!
03:12<tcsetattr>when you cat the boot.img >/dev/sda1 you are DESTROYING the filesystem you just created, with 979M free, replacing it with the boot.img filesystem which is under 256M
03:13<tcsetattr>I'm telling you one last time to choose ONE of those methods - easy way or hard way - and DO NOT TRY TO MIX THEM.
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03:13<indraveni>tcsetattr, sorry to ask you this quetion, but where is the hardway explained ?
03:14<tcsetattr>oh it's actually labeled "the more flexible way"
03:14<indraveni>tcsetattr, is it the flwxible way u r talkign about ?
03:15<tcsetattr>about in the middle of http://d-i.pascal.at/
03:15<tcsetattr>yes
03:15<indraveni>oh ok
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03:15<tcsetattr>do you see that the "easy way" uses boot.img and the flexible way does not use boot.img?
03:15<indraveni>tcsetattr, i want to follow the flexible way,
03:15<indraveni>yes
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03:15<tcsetattr>if you are trying to do the "flexible way" you should get rid of boot.img - you won't be using it.
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03:18<tcsetattr>I hope this same procedure works with the etch images.
03:20<tcsetattr>they look similar.
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03:23<tcsetattr>uh oh, we lost him.
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03:46<Smegzor>I have a bit of a catch 22. I am running a virtual Knoppix and have created a virtual harddisk (which is not formatted). I can only get read-only access to it in qtparted. How would you normally format a new drive?
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03:56<Smegzor>Can I mount an unformatted drive?
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03:56<tcsetattr>no, you have to make a filesystem before you mount it
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04:11<alex_>whats the eta release of lenny? 2-3 years?
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04:17<yang>alex_: no such thing
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04:17<yang>!wir
04:17<dpkg>rumour has it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
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04:28<berat>hey
04:29<berat>is there a way to recover files which is removing rm -rf
04:29<witte>berat: yes, just use your backups :-)
04:29<berat>i dont backup files
04:29<berat>:p
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04:30<berat>i am removing ome files and i want to recover
04:30<witte>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=16520&highlight=&sid=0760f849409e09275816b77ace493f95
04:30<berat>hmm
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04:42<berat>window have a progrram called recover my files
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04:42<berat>if you dont format file system all kinda files is able to recover
04:42<berat>why debian or linux doesnt have a such program
04:42<berat>why ???
04:42<witte>berat: the data is still on your system
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04:43<jm_>!undelete
04:43<dpkg>hmm... undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems.
04:43<berat>how can i revoer then ?
04:43<witte>berat: and you did rm -rf (force), there are other tools
04:44<berat>what (force)?
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04:44<witte>berat: the -f in rm -rf is force == do everything i say even if it
04:44<witte>is stupid
04:44<berat>hmm
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04:45<berat>so you said data still in your system
04:45<berat>even if i removed files with rm -rf
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04:47<witte>berat: the data is still there, only the fs does not know where.
04:48<witte>berat: if you grep your hard disk, you will find text files...
04:48<berat>actually this is .jpeg files
04:48<witte>berat: but first use the undelete that was offered to you
04:49<witte>berat: you could grep on that to, but that would be rather difficult
04:50<berat>hmm i am begginner user for debian
04:50<berat>how can i grp
04:50<berat>grep
04:50<witte>berat: did you try undelete?
04:51<berat>no
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04:51<berat>how can i do this i dont understand what is undelete
04:52<witte>just do what dpkg told: apt-get install mc, afterwards umount your disk, and use undelete
04:54<witte>berat: here, I used google to find this: http://www.datarecoverypros.com/recover-linux-midnightcommander.html
04:54<berat>debian:/home/berat# umount /dev/hda6
04:54<berat>umount: /home: device is busy
04:54<berat>umount: /home: device is busy
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04:54<witte>berat: that is because you are still using that directory. Are you in a graphical environment.
04:55<witte>berat: cd / in all your consoles
04:56<berat>just a minute i am cominf
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05:05<berat>it is so weird
05:06<berat>i am logging as root to system
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05:06<berat>while joining debian it says you are banned
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05:06<witte>berat: you mean on irc?
05:06<berat>but i am connecting server and joining debian
05:06<berat>yeah on irc
05:06<witte>berat: that means you have an intelligent irc client
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05:07<witte>you should do such thing using your root account
05:07<aycko>i wonder, what could go wrong if i convert a rpm to deb with alien?
05:07<witte>you can log in using a cli interface (bitchx or an other one)
05:07<aycko>is there some critical point?
05:07<berat>anyway
05:07<berat>anyway
05:07<berat>i umount my hme directory
05:08<berat>how can i use undelete function
05:08<aycko>berat: just restart
05:08<aycko>berat: your home directory should mount when u reboot
05:08<berat>no no
05:08<witte>read the thing http://www.datarecoverypros.com/recover-linux-midnightcommander.html
05:09<berat>oki doki
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05:26<Sergeant>hello all=) can you help me with #!bash ? how can i make a new dir? is it :mkdir: command?
05:26<jm_>what does "man mkdir" tell you?
05:26<Sergeant>that engkish not my native lang ;)
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05:27<jm_>manpages are translated in several languages
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05:27<Sergeant>jm, this command would work in bash?
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05:27<jm_>it's really shell independent
05:28<Sergeant>... script not work, say that mkdir is unknown command =(
05:28<jm_>well it's not in your path then
05:29<Sergeant>"-bash: mkdir: unknown command
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05:29<jm_>try /bin/mkdir
05:30<Sergeant>ok)
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05:30<hever>Hello, during an mysl server installation i got the following error: "MySQL-5.x is currently incompatible with kernel 2.4." But I've already a 2.6 kernel installed. How could I find out which kernel is installed or what can I do now ?
05:30<jm_>uname -r
05:32<hever>Ok it tells me I'm using 2.4.27 but how do i get 2.6 ? I installed kernel and linux -image2.6
05:32<fgh>if i dont want to run mail on my machine, i can remove all exim4 package, right?
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05:33<jm_>hever: change default in boot loader config
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05:34<hever>it starts /boot/debian at the moment the old was /vmlinuz
05:34<hever>ok I see it
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05:36<indraveni>hi all
05:36<indraveni>when i am executing the command syslinux /dev/sdb1
05:36<indraveni>i am seeing the error messge , Syntax error at line 1 column 6 in file /root/.mtoolsrc: drive letter expected
05:37<indraveni>and my /root/.mtoolsrc is having drive sdb: file="/dev/sdb"
05:37<indraveni>~
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05:38<Sergeant>jm, its works now =) thank you))
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05:40<jm_>np
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05:43<hever>jm_: its booting /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-k7 but uname -r tells me 2.4.27
05:43<Tuplad>guys, I have this never ending problem with sound, I have a via 8237 soundcard and gnome volume indicator does recognize and I can change volume etc. but I can't hear any sound. this is new, usually my sound wouldn't play and my soundcard wouldn't get recognized. always having problems with sound :) tried alsaconf and alsactl store afterwards, doesn't help. alsactl store will give me an error and speaker-test too
05:43<jm_>hever: then it's not booting 2.6.18 :)
05:43<jm_>Tuplad: did you actually unmute the speakers?
05:44<Tuplad>jm_: speakers are built in in my monitor, and yes :)
05:44<jm_>hever: which bootloader is it?
05:44<hever>jm_: grub
05:44<jm_>Tuplad: no I mean with alsamixer
05:44<jm_>hever: paste menu.lst on some paste site
05:45<Tuplad>jm_: if I look at it now everything seems normal
05:45<jm_>Tuplad: paste the output of amixer scontents on some paste site
05:46<jm_>(i.e. not on IRC, both of you)
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05:46<hever>jm_: http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3697
05:47<hever>jm_: how can I find out which bootloader is used ?
05:48<Tuplad>jm_: will do in a moment, but what I find weird is that when I'm in volume regulator, and I go file > switch device > I've got VIA 8237 (alsa) camera (alsa) via technologies via 1617A (OSS mixer)
05:48<jm_>hever: dd if=/dev/sda count=1 | od -t a
05:49<Tuplad>jm_: http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3698
05:49<jm_>Tuplad: /proc/asound/cards will list all sound devices
05:49<Tuplad>jm_: http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3699
05:49<jm_>Tuplad: tried unmuting front left/right channels?
05:50<hever>jm_: /dev/sda ?
05:50<jm_>ahh they are unmuted, surround isn't
05:50<jm_>hever: hda actually
05:50<Tuplad>jm_: shall I unmute surround ?
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05:51<hever>jm_: but what tells me this ?
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05:51<Tuplad>jm_: unmuted surround, no change
05:51<jm_>Tuplad: shouldn't be needed
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05:51<Tuplad>jm_: ok
05:51<jm_>hever: look for G R U B in 9th line from the bottom
05:52<jm_>Tuplad: all looks fine here, are you sure it's configured for correct output? i.e. analog vs. digital
05:52<Tuplad>jm_: I am not sure about THAT
05:52<hever>jm_: whow, seems like LILO is still the bootloader..
05:53<jm_>hever: :)
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05:53<hever>jm_: and how can I change it to grub ? I already do a grub-install and update-grub
05:53<Tuplad>O M G , I am so stupid,
05:53<jm_>hever: how did you run grub-install?
05:53<hever>grub-install /dev/hda
05:53<Tuplad>the cord from behind is put wrong -_-
05:53<jm_>Tuplad: haha
05:53<hever>jm_: grub-install /dev/hda
05:54<jm_>hever: looks like kernel install overwrote it with lilo then
05:54<Tuplad>*ashamed*
05:54<hever>but I run grub after the kernel install...
05:54<hever>jm_: I installed the kernel it doesnt work. I removed lilo and installed grub
05:55<jm_>hever: well if it od doesn't show GRUB then GRUB is not installed on your MBR
05:55<hever>jm_: Yes sure...
05:55<jm_>hever: try doing it now and run dd again
05:55<hever>jm_: You mean grub-install again will fix is ?
05:55<hever>ok
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05:56<hever>jm_: yeah, kewl. Not line nine buts set now...
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05:58<hever>jm_: thanks. it works!
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05:58<jm_>no worries
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06:30<padski>suppose I have a disk with media damage on block 0, such that block 0 cannot be read or written. is there are way I can work around that to put block 0 somewhere else, like an overlay or something ?
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06:31<jm_>no, disks will normally relocate it themselves
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06:32<padski>I know that, but this is a failed disk, all relocations have been used. I will be dd'ing it if, but it would be a nice trick to be able to mount the filesystems off of it first and grab a few files.
06:33<padski>I was thinking like a unionfs for black devices or something :-)
06:33<padski>block
06:33<jm_>dd it to a file and loop mount that
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06:35<seanius>padski: if dd gives you problems there's also ddrescue
06:35<padski>seanius: yup, know about that too :-)
06:35<seanius>which can isolate bad blocks and replace them with null bytes of the same size in the output
06:35<seanius>yeah, pretty handy
06:35<padski>would still like to be able to grab files first
06:36<padski>this block device gadget I'm thinking of might be pretty handy
06:37<padski>althoug hI can't immediately think of another application :-)
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06:42<indraveni>hi i want to create a bootable usb disk using whici i want to install debian os
06:42<indraveni>i followed the steps given in http://d-i.pascal.at/
06:42<indraveni> --- flexible way
06:43<indraveni>but i am not able to boot
06:43<E0x>can you machine boot from usb ?
06:43<indraveni>EOx, how can i find out that
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06:43<indraveni>my cmos settinsg have that usb option
06:43<indraveni>i think it means it boots
06:44<indraveni>i have followed all the steps but the system just stops with a cursor displayed
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06:44<E0x>you need set you bios for boot from usb device
06:45<indraveni>i did it
06:45<E0x>you do that ?
06:45<E0x>ok
06:45<indraveni>yes i did that
06:45<E0x>ok
06:46<indraveni>what else am i missing ?
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06:46<E0x>let read that guide , maybe you missing something
06:46<indraveni>thankyou, please help me EOx
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06:48<E0x>indraveni: do you read the part of Troubleshooting ?
06:48<indraveni>E0x, yes
06:48<indraveni>E0x, i did the step of install-mbr
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06:49<E0x>"Important: Don't use install-mbr if you did a partitionless installation as mentioned above"
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06:50<indraveni>E0x, but i did created a parition and in that i have copied all the content
06:50<indraveni>so, i used install-mbr
06:50<E0x>you say that you follow the flexible way
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06:51<indraveni>E0x, yes, but only for paritions i did differently
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06:51<E0x>what kind of usb device is ?
06:51<E0x>a memory stick ?
06:51<indraveni>since my system was not showing up usb as sdb1, and only asb
06:51<indraveni>yes memory stick
06:51<E0x>ok , can you startup for the beginning and i will guide you
06:51<E0x>?
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06:52<indraveni>E0x, sure
06:52<indraveni>but will you be here for 10 mins , as i need to be away for 10 mins
06:52<E0x>i never did but maybe i can understand better the procedure
06:52<indraveni>E0x, thanks for the help, pleae be here for 10 mins
06:52<indraveni>will be back
06:53<E0x>ok
06:53<indraveni>thankyou
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07:06<berat>hey
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07:07<berat>my trash folder has files
07:07<berat>when empty trash
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07:07<berat>it asks me all files permenantly lost
07:07<berat>but i opened trash from gui or cd .Trash/
07:07<berat>it is empty
07:08<berat>i dont understand that
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07:17<indraveni>E0x, hi
07:17<E0x>hi
07:17<indraveni>E0x, shall we start the procudure
07:17<E0x>give me the url again please
07:18<fgh>Hi E0x
07:18<indraveni>http://d-i.pascal.at/
07:18<E0x>hi fgh
07:18<indraveni>E0x, so i inserted my usb stick and now executing the command mkdosfs /dev/sdb1
07:18<indraveni>since my usb is in sdb1 now
07:19<E0x>wait
07:19<E0x>for format have you usb stick ?
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07:20<indraveni>i formated the usb in vfat format
07:20<indraveni>using the command, ext3.vfat /dev/sdb1
07:20<E0x>ok
07:20<E0x>fdisk -l /dev/sdb
07:20<E0x>please
07:21<E0x>if is short paste here , but if not use pastebin please
07:21<witte>indraveni: probably mkfs.vfat :-)
07:22<E0x>true
07:22<indraveni>E0x, http://pastebin.ca/676790
07:22<indraveni>witte, yes
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07:23<E0x>hmm that is not a fat partition
07:23<indraveni>but i used the command mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1
07:23<E0x>not
07:23<E0x>you need fat16
07:23<E0x>not fat32 , that what the howto say
07:23<indraveni>E0x, whats the command for fat16 then ?
07:24<E0x>read the part : Preparing the stick
07:24<lupine>mkfs.msdos
07:24<E0x>yes , mkfs.msdos
07:24<indraveni>E0x, ya, i did that prev
07:24<indraveni>E0x, ok will do that
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07:25<E0x>indraveni: use cfdisk first
07:25<indraveni>E0x, done
07:25<E0x>cfdisk /dev/sdb
07:25<indraveni>E0x, http://pastebin.ca/676792 still the same
07:25<indraveni>E0x, in cfdisk waht shall i do ?
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07:26<E0x>run cfdisk /dev/sdb
07:26<E0x>delete all partition
07:27<indraveni>E0x, done, now i changed the partition type to fat16
07:27<indraveni>E0x, check this http://pastebin.ca/676794
07:27<E0x>perfect
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07:27<indraveni>E0x, next syslinux /dev/sdb1
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07:28<indraveni>E0x, shall i execute this command?
07:28<E0x>yes
07:28<indraveni>done
07:28<E0x>mkdosfs firts
07:29<E0x>then syslinux
07:29<indraveni>ok
07:30<E0x>mkdosfs /dev/sdb1
07:30<E0x>syslinux /dev/sdb1
07:30<indraveni>E0x, yes both are done
07:30<E0x>then , mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
07:30<E0x>or whatever point mount you like
07:31<indraveni>E0x, mounted
07:31[~]N3bunel hello
07:31<E0x>indraveni: do you want etch ?
07:31<E0x>or lenny ?
07:31<indraveni>E0x, i have the iso image and the vmlinuz and initrd.gz files
07:31<E0x>ok , copy it
07:31<indraveni>E0x, i downloaded it from lenny
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07:32<E0x>and teh syslinux config file
07:32<sigp239>Can I run 32bit programs on Debian amd64 ?
07:33<E0x>with a chroot enviroment , yes
07:33<lupine>or if they're statically linked
07:33<lupine>or if you just install the 32-bit libraries directly
07:33<indraveni>E0x, what is this chroot environtment, yes ?
07:34<sigp239>what about 32-bit games like quake3?
07:34<E0x>indraveni: do you copy the files ?
07:34<indraveni>E0x, copying, whats that above messge?
07:35<E0x>what messge ?
07:35<indraveni>chroot environtment, yes
07:35<E0x>i talk to sigp239
07:35<sigp239>in vista 64-bit, it automatically runs 32-bit programs
07:36<indraveni>ok
07:36<E0x>then run vista
07:36<sigp239>i am
07:36<sigp239>i have it already
07:36<peritus>sigp239: you dont need a chroot
07:36<E0x>so , what you are brothering with debian ?
07:36<sigp239>E0x: what?
07:37<E0x>nevermind
07:37<E0x>indraveni: edit the SYSLINUX config
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07:37<E0x>indraveni: the syslinux.cfg
07:38<indraveni>E0x, ok, which line should i edit
07:38<sigp239>so can I just run 32-bit programs seamlessly on amd64 debian (as vista does)?
07:38<E0x>put it how the guide say
07:38<peritus>sigp239: install ia32-libs and you will be able to run 32-bit applications with debian amd64
07:38<indraveni>E0x, ya, i just copied the same text
07:38<indraveni>E0x, done
07:38<indraveni>E0x, next ?
07:38<E0x>indraveni: umount the usb
07:38<sigp239>peritus: all 32-bit apps or just the ones in the debian supported repositories?
07:39<E0x>and try boot from it
07:39<indraveni>E0x, ok
07:39<peritus>sigp239: all apps, but i am not sure how libraries etc are handled
07:40<indraveni>E0x, its not bootin
07:40<indraveni>E0x, a cursor is blinking at the top
07:41<E0x>hmmm
07:41<indraveni>E0x, ;(
07:42<E0x>mount the usb stick again and do a ls -ls
07:42<E0x>and paste it in pastebin
07:42<lupine>getlibs ftw
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07:44<indraveni>E0x, http://pastebin.ca/676802
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07:45<E0x>indraveni: why do you have the BOSS-20-i386-binary-1.iso ?
07:45<indraveni>E0x, thats my iso image name
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07:46<E0x>engadget , i thing the name is too large
07:46<E0x>rename it
07:46<indraveni>ok
07:46<E0x>boss.iso
07:47<E0x>something like that
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07:48<E0x>indraveni: show me the syslinx.cfg file ( the inside )
07:48<witte>is there anyone who knows a reference if a intel chip (915G) is able to do dual head (not cloning?)
07:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 321] by debhelper
07:49<witte>or who knows what the grandr error "User set screen size larger than max screen size" means
07:50<indraveni>E0x, rename
07:50<indraveni>E0x, the file content is here http://pastebin.ca/676807
07:50<witte>grandr in console: "user set screen width 2560, larger than max width 1440, set to max width"
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07:52<indraveni>E0x, any clue ?
07:52<E0x>i am googling a bit , wait
07:52<indraveni>E0x, what does that ldlinux.cfg file containt ?
07:52<indraveni>I am not able to opent hat file
07:53<gravity>witte: It means what it says. You'll have to use the virtual size trick to increase the max
07:53<witte>gravity: and that virtial size trick, how does that go :-)
07:53<gravity>witte: Let me find the doc
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07:54<E0x>indraveni: http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php
07:54<gravity>witte: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/ReleaseNotes
07:55[~]gravity is glad to see people using grandr
07:55<witte>gravity: ok, thanks, I'll have a look
07:55<jm_>what does it offer that xrandr doesn't?
07:55<gravity>jm_: It's GUI
07:55<gravity>a GUI even
07:55<jm_>gravity: ahh just makes thins easier for click here types
07:56[~]gravity shrugs
07:56<witte>gravity: I tried grandr because i could not get the screens to work with editing xorg.conf
07:56<gravity>witte: Yeah, xorg.conf isn't all finished or documented in unstable or testing yet
07:56<gravity>It should be ready in experimental
07:56<gravity>But that'll take a few more days/weeks to hit unstable
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07:57<witte>gravity: I am still in testing, so a small month, but I appreciate the work that is being done ;-)
07:57[~]gravity nods
07:57<indraveni>E0x, as per this, it should work for us, i am not knwoing why its not loading
07:58<indraveni>E0x, its time for me to leave, i will try tomorrow,
07:58<E0x>maybe is the syslinux.cfg , because the bios read it how a boot device ( because you say it remaing in a black screen with a cursor )
07:59<E0x>indraveni: ok
07:59<indraveni>E0x, yes
07:59<indraveni>E0x, so do i need to change anything there>?
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07:59<E0x>i dont know what change
08:00<indraveni>E0x, if you find any solution please mail me to indraveni@yahoo.co.in, i will try this tomorrow
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08:00<E0x>try the easy way
08:00<indraveni>E0x, that is giving me a problem
08:00<E0x>zcat boot.img.gz > dev/sda
08:00<indraveni>E0x, i have 1 gb of usb and once i am extracting , i.e using the above commnd, my usb sixe is changed to 240 mb
08:01<indraveni>E0x, from morning i was tring that
08:01<E0x>indraveni: try just append initrd=initrd.gz , without the other stuffs
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08:01<E0x>indraveni: but the usb boot with it /
08:01<E0x>?
08:01<indraveni>E0x, ok
08:01<witte>gravity: just a short question: do I still need 915resolution on testing?
08:01<E0x>( with the zcat way )
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08:02<gravity>witte: No
08:03<indraveni>E0x, still the same problem
08:03<indraveni>E0x, ok will try tomorrow, if u find any other options for me to try please mail me
08:04<E0x>ok
08:04<indraveni>to indraveni@yahoo.co.in
08:04<indraveni>E0x, thankyou very much
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08:04<indraveni>will u be available on monday?
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08:04<indraveni>E0x, bye
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08:08<padski>figured what that block device idea reminds me of: soft raid & test block devices (like the error one), Copy on Write and LVM snapshots
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08:21<witte>gravity: thank you, it works now more ore less
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08:21<witte>gravity: what is the keyword to search for when I want to have two independent windows?
08:22<gravity>witte: Huh?
08:22<witte>gravity: no xinerama stuff (something that i open on the left screen should end up in that screen)
08:22<gravity>witte: You probably want to use devilspie for that
08:22<gravity>That's speical
08:22<gravity>special even
08:23<jm_>I think he simply means dual-head
08:23<witte>Indeed
08:23<witte>dual head is enough :-)
08:23<gravity>I don't really understand the question at all
08:23<jm_>how to configure it I presume
08:23<gravity>Just use grandr
08:23<gravity>I don't get it
08:23<gravity>It's all randr now
08:23<wnd>I have a little setup with two active nics, one for intranet, one for internet (eth1). eth1 has two public and static IPs, the other is assigned to eth1:dom. it appears that while binding to the eth1:dom IP works, source address is set to one of eth1. this worked just find in 2.6.18 (probably from sarge). apparently thanks to CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_CACHED this was broken in old 2.6.18, but the latest (2.6.18-5) doesn't seem to have that anymor
08:23<wnd>e, yet I still can't use the other IP address. what am I missing?
08:24<witte>now I have one X environment where I can shift windows from one screen to the other
08:24<witte>the two screens are different, so that is ok
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08:24<wnd>oops, sorry, worked fine with 2.6.8
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08:24<witte>but it used to be to completely independent screens (maybe even windowmanagers)
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08:25<gravity>witte: Ah, you don't run that with randr.
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08:25<witte>ok, that is less important, it is better now than it was earlier :-)
08:26<wnd>and that latest 2.6.18-5 would be for 686, fetched from stable just a few hours ago
08:27<witte>gravity: one screen has a maximum size of 1280x800, but I will look for the answer for that one in
08:27<witte>the logs
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08:30<padski>a good player for 3gp. need to get a freeze frame
08:30<lupine>convert it to mpeg, get one as usual
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08:31<padski>3gp2mpeg ?
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08:31<lupine>mencoder does it, though I forget the correct arguments. sec
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08:32<padski>Couldn't find package mencoder
08:32<jm_>it's on debian-multimedia
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08:32<padski>thanks
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08:33<lupine>eh, or there's http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/3gp-converter?content=55313
08:33<lupine>which works via ffmpeg
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08:35<lupine>ffmpeg -i movie.3gp -vcodec mpeg4 -acodec mp3 movie.avi seems to be the one
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08:38<padski>thanks, that is superb :-)
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08:42<witte>gravity: thanks for helping me out, I was stuck on this for quite some time, now it is working ok
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08:43<gravity>witte: No problem
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08:47<GIOJOTOCA>hola alguno de ustedes es usuario de unplug
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08:48<GIOJOTOCA>conocen a imatzu
08:49<noflash>!es
08:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:49<GIOJOTOCA>thank
08:50<noflash>:)
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08:53<berat>hey
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08:53<berat>i have a firefox thme
08:53<berat>but
08:53<berat>firefox doesnt seem with new thme
08:54<berat>how can i provide firefo x look with new theme
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09:11<mattme>hi
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09:14[~]vastinfest hello everybody..
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09:16<mattme>hi all,i installed the debian 4.0 on ibm thinkpad 600,but the modem didn't works. anyone has experience on this laptop?
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09:18<azeem>!laptops
09:18<dpkg>somebody said laptop was All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/
09:18<azeem>mattme: ^^
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09:19<gsimmons>mattme: Specifically, <http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/MWave_MDSP3780>.
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09:30<linuxserveruser>spricht hier jemand deutsch?
09:31<JasonS>!de
09:31<dpkg>hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
09:31<linuxserveruser>thanks
09:32<mattme>thanks, i tried read thoese cases and documents. but no helps. It seems that the IRQ 3 conflict on my thinkpad. I installed a old D-Link DWL650 wirless card,while i check the demsg, it use same irq 3.
09:32<mattme>setserial /dev/ttyS1, shows err msg: IRQ handler type mismatch for IRQ3
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09:50<Jhonny>hi
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09:53<nubbun>How do I add a network package source to debian Etch, or where is that information documented?
09:53<azeem>nubbun: which network package?
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09:53<lupine>/etc/apt/sources.list
09:54<lupine>source repos have deb-src prefixed
09:54<prahal>hi I am updating a package which has a watch file. uscan download the new version of the upstream zip file but how ought I create the orig.tar.gz ?
09:54<nubbun>lupine, I got that much figured out, but it appearantly didn't like my entry.
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09:54<nubbun>lupine, I guess something was wrong with my entry, but I don't know what.
09:54<nubbun>Perhaps the descriptions I read were outdated?
09:55<nubbun>Do you have a working entry in yours lupine, that you could paste?
09:55<nubbun>--if you are running Etch.
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09:55<azeem>nubbun: the deb-src entry is just like the deb entry, usually
09:56<nubbun>I'm looking for SPARC binary to start with.
09:56<nubbun>If I install a src package, does it automatically build & install the binary?
09:56<azeem>nubbun: maybe you should explain better what you are trying to do
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09:57<azeem>nubbun: you cannot install src packages
09:57<azeem>you can only download the source easily, and tell apt to try to build it at the same time
09:58<nubbun>I wish to be able to look in aptitude and select additional packages which are available from a network source but of which I do not have a copy locally.
09:58<azeem>that's the usual mode of operation, usually
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09:58<azeem>depending on what you mean with "additional packages"
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09:59<nubbun>Azeem, I don't have a network source for packages configured. I did an install over the network using the first DVD as source.
09:59<nubbun>So, I've got the DVD configuration.
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09:59<Jhonny>question: is it a fixable issue, that the installation routine used on the buisinesscard CDS does not work properly with nvidia network adapters?
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10:00<azeem>nubbun: which version of Debian?
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10:00<nubbun>azeem. Etchr0
10:00<gsimmons>mattme: Try adding "exclude irq 3" to your /etc/pcmcia/config.opts file. Restart PCMCIA/networking for it to take effect.
10:00<azeem>nubbun: the usual etch src line is "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian stable main"
10:00<azeem>where <cc> is your country code mirror, like fr for France
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10:04<nubbun>azeem. That gives me the error:
10:04<nubbun>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.de.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-sparc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
10:04<alech>Hi, I am having some packaging trouble. My postinst script sources /usr/share/debconf/confmodule but dies (error code 30) while doing so. Apparently it calls /usr/share/debconf/frontend right before doing so ... any ideas?
10:04<nubbun>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main
10:04<nubbun>is the entry I made.
10:05<nubbun>I see a / missing.
10:05<nubbun>No. No / missing.
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10:06<azeem>nubbun: did you run apt-get update?
10:07<nubbun>azeem. No. I should? I will.
10:07<azeem>you need to always run apt-get update when you modify sources.list
10:08<alech>so apparently 30 means 'question skipped'. Any way I can ignore the skipping?
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10:14<Jhonny>question: is it a fixable issue, that the installation routine used on the buisinesscard CDS does not work properly with nvidia network adapters?
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10:15<evgen>hello
10:15<Jhonny>or in other words: the installation routine isnt able to build up a connection to my dhcp server... i know that its working (the server)
10:15<Jhonny>and with other OS the network adapter works good, also..
10:15<Jhonny>hi evgen
10:15<Jhonny>-also + too
10:15<Jhonny>-.-
10:16<Jhonny>i've tried to configure the adapter by hand with the same effect.
10:16<Jhonny>im sure, that the ip, netmask, dns address etc are correct, but i dont get a connection to the mirror servers
10:16<Jhonny>could it be a solution to download and use the complete cd/dvd set instead of a buisinesscard cd?
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10:19<moicano>ae
10:19<moicano>seu puto
10:19<moicano>Hi all
10:19<moicano>=D
10:20<Jhonny>hi
10:20[~]fxiny wow signal crashed
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10:31<Baldini>hello
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10:39<nubbun>If I add a testing or unstable source to sources.list, how will it affect aptitude & others? Will it by default pick packages from stable, but let me change to unstable or testing versions for specific packages (which is what I want to do)?
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10:39<lupine>depends on how you set your priorities up
10:40<nubbun>Where are priorities set? Is it the order in which they or listed? Some other way?
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10:44<fxiny>!tsm
10:44<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, duplicate your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use # apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. consider making sure you've read the APT HOWTO when setting this up, as it exposes to unstable packages.
10:44<fxiny>nubbun: something like this ^^^
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10:46<nubbun>Thanks fxiny
10:46<nubbun>Now to see if I can get a version of reportbug that has its bugs fixed.
10:47<fxiny>nubbun: np
10:48<nubbun>My apt.conf is nonexistant, I guess that's not a problem? --I just make one.
10:48<nubbun>Which is better as an entry?
10:48<nubbun>APT::Default-Release "stable"
10:48<nubbun>or APT::Default-Release "etch"
10:49<nubbun>If I stick with stable, can I get unmatched versions when the Lenny becomes stable?
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10:56<moicano>heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy guyssssssssss
10:57<moicano>Open terminal and write halt after (enter)
10:57<moicano>kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
10:57<moicano>;]
10:57<azeem>moicano: do you have a Debian question?
10:57<moicano>azeem no man thks for you atention =D
10:57<moicano>azeem my english so so =/
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10:58<Requiem>!simple sid backports
10:58<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
10:59<azeem>Requiem: please /msg the bot
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11:03<Requiem>hrm
11:03<Requiem>if this blows up in my face
11:03<Requiem>how do I undo a backport?
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11:04<padski>Requiem: how do you back out a package upgrade ? manually. it is not guaranteed
11:04<fxiny>back to back : backups :P
11:05<padski>lvm snapshot maybe ?
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11:08<wnd>that seems to help
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11:13<nubbun>Might it be better to specify "etch" as my distribution in sources.list and apt.conf rather than "stable" because when "testing" becomes "stable", I might get mismatched versions?
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11:14<padski>nubbun: that is why I do it. I want to be the one who decides when to upgrade.
11:14<padski>it would be nifty if there were an automated upgrade system (like cron-apt) that takes care of this. dunno whether there is or not ?
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11:17<padski>even if the package management tech is all straight, there are always going to be packages with a difficult upgrade path
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11:37<pupusse>suite ?
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11:56<nubbun>What, besides identity, are the patches that are in iceweasel, but not firefox?
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11:56<azeem>nubbun: which firefox?
11:56<nubbun>2.0
11:57<nubbun>or the current one.
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11:57<nubbun>I guess the right question is ' compared to the basis of iceweasel'
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11:57<azeem>nubbun: well, see the source package
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12:04<azamo>hi. what is the debian-40r1-powerpc-xfce-CD-1.iso cd image for, and is it a full install?
12:04<codehexa>exit
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12:06<benley>azamo: that is a liveCD to run xfce on powerpc computers
12:06<benley>azamo: but I bet it can be used to do a full install when combined with a net connection
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12:06<benley>(assuming your computer is a powerpc)
12:06<JasonS>benley: you sure its a livecd?
12:06<azamo>does it work on old work macs?
12:06<benley>JasonS: not certain.
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12:07<azamo>thnks
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12:17<fenix>oi
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12:18<fenix>oi
12:18<JasonS>yes fenix
12:18<fenix>oi
12:18<JasonS>!br
12:18<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:20<Bambam>oi
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12:23<Waddledee>I asked dpkg how to install nvidia drivers, but its advice still doesn't take into account the latest kernel. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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12:27<evgen>Waddledee: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1234398&postcount=6
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12:31<Waddledee>evgen: thanks.
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12:40<EmleyMoor>On a default-packages installation of testing, on the System -> Administration menu, there is a "System Monitor". Which package provides this, and is it in etch as well?
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12:47<nubbun>I want to install a newer version of a buggy package to see if a bug is fixed. I look at versions in aptitude and see which versions are available, but how do I see if they are from unstable or testing?
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12:48<fxiny> apt-cache policy <packagename>
12:49<junio>nubbun: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages
12:51<junio>nubbun: sorry... was not for you.
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12:54<zerogrounding>halo
12:55<fabian>hello
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13:06<oscar>#debian-es
13:07<isuckatlinux>i need help with to install jogutils, is this a good place to seek help?
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13:27<ben_goodger>hey
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13:27<ben_goodger>is there a circumstance that would cause cp to not copy .files unless it were told to?
13:28<aycko_>what do you mean?
13:28<isuckatlinux>it never does unless you specifically tell it so
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13:28<ben_goodger>I copied my home directory to a new hard disk
13:28<ben_goodger>then did a load of reinstalls while fiddling with etch and such
13:29<ben_goodger>and now I have a hard disk with everything except the .files on it, so my iceweasel profile, pidgin logs, tomboy notes are all gone
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13:29<isuckatlinux>u have to use -b
13:30<ben_goodger>to make it copy the .files?
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13:30<ben_goodger>gah
13:30<ben_goodger>I assumed it'd just copy everything
13:30<ben_goodger>if I wanted a half-arsed copy operation I'd have used nautilus, ffs
13:30<aycko_>ben_goodger: it copies every file
13:30<aycko_>when u use -r
13:30<ben_goodger>yep, used that.
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13:31<bma>ben_goodger, did you 'cp -r *' ?
13:31<aycko_>well this will not work ;)
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13:31<bma>Because by default * only expands to things not starting with a '.'
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13:31<ben_goodger>cp -r {some other switches here} ~/* I believe
13:31[~]fxiny uses mirrordir
13:32<ben_goodger>I'll note that
13:32<bma>You'd need to do cp -r ~/* ~/.*, or better yet, use rsync.
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13:32<ben_goodger>bma: I looked at rsync
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13:32<ben_goodger>the --help page didn't fit on my screen
13:32<ben_goodger>I was not in the mood, as far as I remember....
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13:33<aycko_>ben_goodger: use man cp
13:33<fxiny>cp rocks
13:33<bma>rsync has a lot of options, yet. But mostly you only need -a
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13:33<ben_goodger>oh well
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13:34<ben_goodger>at least I know what went wrong (domesticated wildcard)
13:34<ben_goodger>now, does anyone know how to recover files from a hard disk that once housed a reiserfs partition that now houses a series of LVMs? :(
13:36<isuckatlinux>can u do that?
13:36<aycko_>i dont think so
13:36<ben_goodger>almost certainly not, hence :(
13:36<bma>ben_goodger, do you have a rosary? You may want to start praying. Also, if they're really important files, you may want to unmount the disk ASAP.
13:36<aycko_>at least not with common effort
13:36<ben_goodger>can't do that while running linux off it
13:37<ben_goodger>they're not ultra-mega-important, but my tomboy notes I'd like back
13:37<bma>If you've written to the disk, you're basically buggered.
13:37<aycko_>ben_goodger: restoring files is quite an expensive thing to do.
13:37<ben_goodger>bma: well, I've done that about a million times
13:37<aycko_>famous last words: i hope we have a backup. ;)
13:38<isuckatlinux>maybe with a soft that read raw from the hd
13:38<ben_goodger>I did
13:38<bma>(I managed to delete A-level coursework once, a week before it was due; it took me all night to get it all back)
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13:38<ben_goodger>it was made using cp -r ~/*
13:38<isuckatlinux>and many hours
13:38<ben_goodger>GAH
13:38<ben_goodger>ah
13:38<ben_goodger>A-level coursework is best stored in cupertino, I find
13:38<bma>Cupertino?
13:38<ben_goodger>docs.google.com
13:38<ben_goodger>:P
13:39<ben_goodger>oh, wait, that's apple... shit
13:39<ben_goodger>well, you get the idea
13:39<bma>I'm too old for that, Gmail was barely around when I did a-levels.
13:39<isuckatlinux>st cupertino? u praying?
13:39<ben_goodger>prayer?
13:39<ben_goodger>you mean, talking to oneself in the hope of breaking the laws of physics?
13:40<isuckatlinux>it has happened before
13:40[~]ben_goodger backs off
13:40<bma>Yes, people talk to themselves all the time.
13:40<bma>And that's why we have mental hospitals.
13:40<ben_goodger>ah, that's a much better response
13:40<bma>And pop music.
13:40<ben_goodger>heh
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13:41<ben_goodger>that still makes you barely three years older than me
13:41<ben_goodger>hooray for young english debianists..
13:42<ben_goodger>now, problem two.
13:42<ben_goodger>my proper system refuses to display anything
13:42<bma>In X, or anything anything?
13:43<ben_goodger>POST-level
13:43<bma>Hmm.
13:43<ben_goodger>I'm pretty sure it's not the graphics card, but I don't have any other PCIE devices nor an onboard thingy
13:44<bma>Is it actually booting? IE, will it bring the network up and let you ping etc.?
13:44<ben_goodger>that's a good question
13:45<EmleyMoor>How do I add things to the menus on the GNOME desktop?
13:45<fxiny>alacarte magic menu editor ?
13:45<ben_goodger>but it doesn't actually have an OS on it, and it's likely to stop and ask for a keyboard
13:45<bma>LiveCD?
13:46<ben_goodger>booting now...
13:46<ben_goodger>hmm
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13:46<ben_goodger>magically, sticking my memory stick in the slow makes it work.
13:46<fxiny>no OS on it ? what kind of thing is that ? a scaffolded windoze ?
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13:47<ben_goodger>the aforementioned hard disk which has been repartitioned was removed from it
13:47<ben_goodger>hence the bollocksed backup
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13:48<ben_goodger>it now has a fresh 40GB disk in it for a heavily crippled windows install and a copy of lenny to run NFS on
13:48<fxiny>ahhh that one where a tomboy file RIP buried in between some LVM and a reiserffs prolly rewritten ? any circus medrano employee can digg it :)
13:48<ben_goodger>indeed
13:48<fxiny>ben_goodger: :)
13:48<ben_goodger>not prolly, totally
13:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 328] by debhelper
13:49<ben_goodger>it had six partitions, now it has an LVM
13:49<moicano>[15:48:54] >>> debhelper define modo: +l 90000
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13:49<moicano>kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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13:49<ben_goodger>moicano: !!
13:49<fxiny>ben_goodger: check filetraq for easy automagical dot/config files backups next
13:50<ben_goodger>fxiny: not mirrordir?
13:51[~]bma just checks everything important into revision control and keeps that synchronised between several machines.
13:51<fxiny>ben_goodger: mirrordir is different , could even be dangerous in a way . cp is somehow easier
13:51[~]ben_goodger has lots less hardware than bma
13:52<ben_goodger>just the two systems and a budget of zero...
13:52<ben_goodger>I probably need to spend about £700 to make it decent :(
13:52<bma>I have a budget of zero, but I will get shouted at if I bring home any more computers anyway.
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13:52<ben_goodger>heh
13:53<isuckatlinux>have anyone here compiled jogutils succesfully on a sony vaio?
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13:54<bma>isuckatlinux, jogutils?
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13:55<minusvirus>hi all
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13:55<isuckatlinux>yup, trying to get my fn key to work
13:55<tcsetattr>jogutils must be for the OS embedded in your shoes that measures how far you've jogged?
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13:57<ben_goodger>generally, using a laptop that isn't very popular in linux is an utter waste of time in my experience
13:57<isuckatlinux>i see u tried it before
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13:58<isuckatlinux>it's actually working nicely, except for the fn key, I can read the event from /dev/input
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13:59<isuckatlinux>but i need something else
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13:59<EmleyMoor>Does the Fn key, in and of itself, actually generate anything?
13:59<ben_goodger>fn stuff should be handled in hardware
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13:59<ben_goodger>afaik linux should never need to see any distinction between fn+right-arrow and home
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14:00<bma>ben_goodger, but it doesn't need to be, because the OS can do that. After all, everybody uses Windows.
14:00<isuckatlinux>yes, it's doing it with the sonypi module, but i need something to map that to do whatever the key is suppose to do
14:00<tcsetattr>yeah I would expect the Fn key to be completely invisible to everything except the keyboard's internal translator
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14:02<isuckatlinux>[Fri Aug 31 07:02:24 2007] completed event "sony/hotkey SPIC 00000001 0000003b"
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14:03<isuckatlinux>thats reading from acpi
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14:04<ben_goodger>hmm
14:04<ben_goodger>is it possible to make windows netboot?
14:04<ben_goodger>I have a slight hard disk shortage
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14:06<bma>You probably need the More Expensive Edition TM
14:06<ben_goodger>I've got ultimate edition
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14:07<ben_goodger>gah, I can do without this
14:07[~]stroyan must have wandered into the wrong channel. :-)
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14:07<ben_goodger>shoosh
14:07<ben_goodger>:P
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14:12<fr3ak>Can someone help me with my VIA chipset?
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14:12<ben_goodger>depends on the kind of help you need
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14:13<ben_goodger>I can easily give you a link to nvidia's website if you want...
14:13<fr3ak>ben_goodger, i need that unichrome drive...
14:13<darkstar>hi to all
14:13<fr3ak>i have via chipset
14:13<ben_goodger>otherwise you'll need to be more specific
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14:14<fr3ak>ben_goodger, i got an p4m890 via chipset and my xorg.conf is usin vsea as video device.. i need that via driver so i can use opengl and activate my 3d acceleration
14:14<fr3ak>=/
14:14<zulu>hi there, I'm tryin to make my scanner work, I have no /dev/scanner device, is there a special module to modprobe?
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14:14<zulu>2.6.22 kernel
14:15<tcsetattr>how about /dev/usb/scanner ?
14:15<fr3ak>ben_goodger, any idea?
14:15<zulu>no usb subdirectory tcsetattr
14:15<tcsetattr>is it a USB device?
14:15<zulu>of course ;)
14:15<ben_goodger>sorry fr3ak, no idea...
14:15<tcsetattr>hm. you have any other USB devices working?
14:15<zulu>I can see it in /proc/bus/usb/device (epson thing)
14:15<zulu>yes my mouse
14:15<fr3ak>ben_goodger, kay ty mate
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14:16<zulu>I was looking at kernel source there is no scanner module (only specific for microtek...)
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14:17<zulu>it is a dev pb right? devfs I don't know what :)
14:18<tcsetattr>right... scanner support is mostly done in userspace using the generic usb kernel code
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14:18[~]ben_goodger translates for tcsetattr
14:18<ben_goodger>aptitude install xsane
14:18<ben_goodger>:
14:18<ben_goodger>)
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14:19<benley>gah
14:19<benley>I accidentally packaged something up as a native package when it really shouldn't be
14:19<benley>and I have no idea how to fix that
14:19<bma>What do you mean, a native package?
14:19<benley>dpkg-buildpackage: full upload; Debian-native package (full source is included)
14:20<benley>it's not a debian-native package, it's a 3rd-party perl module I'm packaging up.
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14:20<bma>Are you packaging it for debian, to install with apt?
14:20<benley>yep :)
14:20<bma>Then dpkg-buildpackage is what you want.
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14:21<zulu>tcsetattr I have the libusb package installed...
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14:21<bma>Debian-native means to run on Debian, not written specifically for/by Debian.
14:21<Tuplad>how do I change the monitor settings in debian ?(screensavers etc.)
14:21<benley>oh. I could have sworn I'd heard the term "native package" used to refer to packages originating in debian.
14:21<benley>as in, something without a .orig.tar.gz
14:22<benley>when I build the other module I'm working on, it says:
14:22<zulu>Tuplad man xset
14:22<benley>dpkg-buildpackage: full upload (original source is included)
14:22<bma>benley, you probably have. But dpkg-buildpackage is definitely what you want to build .deb files.
14:22<darkstar>one question the eMPIA usb video capture driver is not supported in the stable release of debian?
14:22<benley>bma: sure, building isn't the problem
14:22<Tuplad>zulu: thx
14:22<tcsetattr>zulu, try scanimage -L
14:22<stroyan>Tuplad: The "Desktop" -> "Preferences" menu as well.
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14:23<zulu>tcsetattr scanimage -L return my /dev/video acquisition board :(
14:23<tcsetattr>shouldn't listen to bma, he's wrong about what "native package" means
14:23<bma>tcsetattr, maybe, but I know what dpkg-buildpackage does...
14:24<Tuplad>stroyan: cant find it
14:24<tcsetattr>zulu, how about lsusb, I assume that will show something
14:24[~]benley wasn't really asking about dpkg-buildpackage :-P
14:24<Tuplad>stroyan: I use gnome. I right click on wallpaper and it isnt there ;) only wallpaper settings
14:25<stroyan>Tuplad: Top toolbar?
14:25<benley>tcsetattr: you have any idea what I'm asking about, then?
14:25<zulu>tcsetattr I have the scanner in /proc/bus/usb/device listed and lsusb show me 4 device, I suppose my scanner is in...
14:25<isuckatlinux>does anyone know what to get rid of this when compiling??? "error: label at end of compound statement"
14:25<tcsetattr>benley, I do understand the question but I don't know the answer. Did you have an .orig.tar.gz in the parent directory when you ran dpkg-buildpackage?
14:26<bma>isuckatlinux, does it give you a line number?
14:26<benley>tcsetattr: nope. Is that the only problem? :)
14:26<tcsetattr>that's probably how it decides to go native. nothing to diff against.
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14:26<benley>aha
14:26<stroyan>Tuplad: If you don't see any toolbar you could try running gnome-panel manually.
14:26<isuckatlinux>yup, i have 2 errors
14:27<isuckatlinux>both are the } after a default statement
14:27<isuckatlinux>tried deleting them, got like a million errors more
14:27<tcsetattr>just put a semicolon before the }
14:27<Tuplad>stroyan: I have a top toolbar, checking it out
14:27<isuckatlinux>lets see ill be back
14:27<tcsetattr>an empty statement there is probably what the original programmer intended
14:28<Tuplad>stroyan: but no Desktop (my Debby is Russian, but I still dont see anything about a desktop)
14:28<prahal>hi I am trying to paste "diff" but it ends up replacing the tabs by spaces . How ought I to do to keep tabulation ( diff file file2 >> file.dpatch only ?) ?
14:28<benley>tcsetattr: sure enough that changes the results. Now I get:
14:28<benley>dpkg-genchanges: not including original source code in upload
14:28<tcsetattr>zulu, can you publish the lsusb output somewhere?
14:28<benley>dpkg-buildpackage: binary and diff upload (original source NOT included)
14:28<benley>(which is closer to correct!)
14:28<isuckatlinux>u got it man, thanks
14:29<isuckatlinux>now what about this shit.............error: label at end of compound statement
14:29<isuckatlinux>no, not that hold on
14:29<tcsetattr>benley, that is probably because you are working from an orig.tar.gz that is already on the debian ftp server so there is no need to upload it again. (or that's what dpkg-buildpackage thinks)
14:29<isuckatlinux>now what about this shit.............warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function ‘exit’
14:29<stroyan>Tuplad: You could right-click on the panel and select "Add to Panel". Then pick main menu.
14:29<zulu>Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 \n Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 \n Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 \n Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
14:29<benley>tcsetattr: if that were the case I wouldn't be packaging :-P
14:29<tcsetattr>zulu, those 0000:0000's are a bunch of empty ports :)
14:30<tcsetattr>got anything that's *not* 0000:0000 ?
14:30<stroyan>Tuplad: "Desktop" is also available as one level down from "Main menu".
14:30<zulu>no :)
14:30<zulu>but wait
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14:30<zulu>S: Manufacturer=EPSON
14:30<zulu>S: Product=EPSON Scanner
14:30<Tuplad>stroyan: not there, I probably deleted that tool
14:30<zulu>in my /proc/bus/usb/device is it usefull?
14:31<stroyan>Tuplad: Did you try "Add to panel"?
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14:32<tcsetattr>sort of. /proc/bus/usb/devices disagreeing with lsusb is an interesting clue.
14:32<zulu>ok
14:32<tcsetattr>zulu, before those S: lines there should be a P: line, what does it say?
14:32<zulu>P: Vendor=04b8 ProdID=0122 Rev= 1.10
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14:33<Tuplad>stroyan: yes
14:33<zulu>which seems to agree with the /etc/sane.d/snapscan.conf about epson and model mapping
14:33<Tuplad>stroyan: really, it's not there :)
14:33<Tuplad>I added the pannel
14:33<zulu>I have the last version of usbutils ...
14:33<stroyan>Tuplad: If you don't want to put the menus back together you could just run gnome-display-properties and gnome-screensaver-preferences commands
14:33<Tuplad>panel*
14:33<Tuplad>but it is not there
14:33<tcsetattr>but lsusb doesn't show any 04b8:0122
14:33<zulu>right
14:33<stroyan>If you right click on a panel you can add items such as the "Main menu"
14:34<zulu>do you have an id? is this a kernel support pb?
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14:34<Tuplad>stroyan: bash: gnome-screensaver-preferences: command not found
14:34<Tuplad>stroyan: I did, I added the menu, but it wasnt in the menu
14:34<tcsetattr>I'd like to see your entire /proc/bus/usb/devices, and the entire lsusb output...
14:35<stroyan>Tuplad: /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-preferences is part of package gnome-screensaver.
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14:35<Tuplad>stroyan: file not found :/
14:35<stroyan>Tuplad: sudo apt-get install gnome-screensaver
14:36<isuckatlinux>can anyone translate this? # CCFLAG has to be extended with -D_LOOSE_KERNEL_NAMES
14:36<stroyan>Tuplad: sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment for a full set of packages.
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14:37<Tuplad>stroyan: second, asks for CD :)
14:37<zulu>tcsetattr here is what you asked for: http://paste.debian.net/35907
14:38<prahal>zulu, your printer is on bus 7 and your lsusb output only shows 4. weird
14:38<tcsetattr>fascinating... /proc/bus/usb/devices shows 2 devices that aren't in the lsusb list. either lsusb is broken or the kernel is broken.
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14:39<zulu>prahal no printer, more a scanner (I hope) my printer is networked (usb=bad, ethernet=cooool :)
14:39<tcsetattr>do this and paste the result: find /proc/bus/usb -ls
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14:40<prahal>ah ok . Do you have /dev/usb/007 ?
14:40<tcsetattr>/proc/bus/usb/007 you mean.... let's wait for the find -ls :)
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14:40<tcsetattr>unless symlinking /dev/usb to /proc/bus/usb is a new fad I haven't heard of
14:40<zulu>http://paste.debian.net/35909
14:40<zulu>done
14:41<prahal>no really /dev/bus/usb as per strace -e trace=file lsusb 2>&1 |less
14:41<zulu>prahal I have no /dev/usb subdir
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14:41<tcsetattr>my strace lsusb shows it looking in /proc, yours must be different.
14:42<zulu>only a bunch of strange /dev/usbdev1.1_ep[08][01] device
14:42<prahal>zulu, oups /dev/bus/usb/007
14:42<tcsetattr>zulu's lsusb is just not showing what it is supposed to. and scanimage -L might be having the same problem.
14:42<tcsetattr>/dev/bus? what are you smoking?
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14:42<tcsetattr>who has a /dev/bus?
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14:42<zulu>tcsetattr sorry /dev/usb subdir
14:43<tcsetattr>I'm trying to find out what prahal is talking about
14:43<zulu>and I will not mention what I smoke (for the children listening on the channel)
14:43<zulu>krkrkr
14:43<Tuplad>stroyan: thanks :)
14:43<Tuplad>stroyan: it works great now
14:43<stroyan>Tuplad: Glad to help
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14:43<Tuplad>*praise stroyan*
14:44<prahal>tcsetattr, http://www.google.com/search?q=%2Fdev%2Fbus%2Fusb&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:fr:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a
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14:44<aycko_>what possibilities do i have to use my ipod under linux except amarok?
14:45<aycko_>i use gnome thus i would need to download the whole kde stuff if i install amarok
14:45<stroyan>aycko_: rhythmbox likes ipods
14:45<tcsetattr>but let's move on... we should probably try to find out why lsusb is stopping after seeing 4 out of 7 USB ports. paste output of strace lsusb
14:45<aycko_>i use rhythmbox
14:45<petemc>gtkpod
14:45<aycko_>but i cannot delete stuff.
14:46<aycko_>or add new playlists
14:46<zulu>bishop:/home/zulu# lsusb -D /proc/bus/usb/007/003
14:46<zulu>Cannot open /proc/bus/usb/007/003
14:46<stroyan>aycko_: Ah. I only use it read-only myself
14:47<aycko_>stroyan: so how do u put new music on your ipod?
14:47<ARitualSacrifice>i have a problem with mounting my second HDD
14:47<zulu>ARitualSacrifice be more precise plz
14:48<stroyan>aycko_: iTunes :-<
14:48<ARitualSacrifice>one sec ill get the error code
14:48<aycko_>;)
14:48<zulu>krkrkr
14:48<aycko_>petemc: is gtkpod lightweight?
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14:48<ARitualSacrifice>libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
14:48<ARitualSacrifice>process 30782: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application.
14:48<ARitualSacrifice>error: device /dev/hdc1 is not removable
14:48<ARitualSacrifice>error: could not execute pmount
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14:48<aycko_>or is this like amarok and rhythmbox?
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14:49<ARitualSacrifice>sorry bout that
14:49<ARitualSacrifice>:/
14:49<zulu>tcsetattr do you know what could be wrong with my lsusb util?
14:49<tcsetattr>zulu: od -c /proc/bus/usb/007/003
14:49<zulu>huh?
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14:50<zulu>tcsetattr I confirm, output is hex lol WoW
14:50<zulu>well octal in fact :)
14:50<tcsetattr>did you try the strace usb?
14:50<tcsetattr>strace lsusb
14:50<zulu>what system call are you lookin at? read /proc something?
14:51<tcsetattr>that one you tried with the -D would be interesting
14:51<zulu>ok
14:52<zulu>open("/dev/bus/usb/007/001", O_RDWR) = -1 ENXIO (No such device or address)
14:52<zulu>what am I supposed to think?
14:52<tcsetattr>heh... it is using /dev/bus!
14:52<zulu>the file is in my filesys and I'm running as root of course...
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14:53<tcsetattr>is /dev/bus the same as /proc/bus? I've never seen a /dev/bus before.
14:53<zulu>tcsetattr this mean my /etc/devfs conf file are bad?
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14:54<tcsetattr>devfs? really?
14:54<tcsetattr>so this is a 2.4 kernel
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14:55<zulu>????
14:55<tcsetattr>devfs doesn't exist in recent kernels
14:55<zulu>well I have the configuration files...
14:55<zulu>ok oops sorry
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14:56<tcsetattr>lots of people have old config files that aren't active anymore
14:56<zulu>sorry about that,
14:56<zulu>I was just thinkin it was a /dev pb...
14:56<tcsetattr>with a 2.6 kernel you might have udev
14:56<zulu>you right that's what I have ..
14:56<ARitualSacrifice>how do i go about pastin this error code to the bot ?
14:57<zulu>well I just have no more id :(
14:57<zulu>bullshit :)
14:57<tcsetattr>udev may be responsible for this /dev/bus/usb fiasco. there is no /dev/bus/usb in the official devices.txt
14:57<zulu>ok
14:57<tcsetattr>you didn't answer the question that I"ve asked a couple of times
14:58<tcsetattr>is /dev/bus/usb the same as /proc/bus/usb ? is it a symlink, are the contents identical?
14:58<tcsetattr>answer!
14:58<zulu>this mean the packagers of *sane* are late about recent udev?
14:58<tcsetattr>quit ignoring that question!
14:58<zulu>sorry I'm checkin..
14:58<benley>Are you in EUROPE? do you need an ADAPTER?
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14:59<zulu>no symlink same content
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14:59<zulu>00[1234567] sub dir in each
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15:00<tcsetattr>I'm trying to figure out if there's some way to get lsusb to look in /proc/bus/usb instead of the crazy /dev/bus/usb. aside from the obvious and crude rm -rf /dev/bus :)
15:00<zulu>obvious is something good...
15:00<zulu>no?
15:01<mjk>How can I make Sarge to "migrate" from LILO ot GRUB automagically? I.e. it should do the same the d-i does when installing a boot loader: Detect all partitions/file systems, then ask if it should go into the MBR and then install GRUB it there.
15:01<zulu>but I thought udev was responsible for...
15:01<tcsetattr>well, the udev will just recreate it later.
15:01<zulu>does matter lets' see
15:01<zulu>ok
15:01<tcsetattr>you should know I hate udev and refuse to use it. So I'm not familiar with all of its modes of suckign.
15:01<zulu>really?
15:01<tcsetattr>this looks like a new kind of udev suckage.
15:01<zulu>lol
15:02<zulu>the only thing I liked with udev is the fact there is not so much devices...
15:02<tcsetattr>what version of lsusb do you have?
15:03<zulu>YEAHHH man lsusb list know my Epson scanner
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15:03<zulu>0.72
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15:04<zulu>tcsetattr I made a scan, thx you very much for support, I don't know how to make this permanent krkrkrk
15:05<tcsetattr>huh?
15:05<tcsetattr>what did you do?
15:05<zulu>I mean udev will next reboot smash my symlink and recreate bullshit you know
15:05<tcsetattr>you removed it? :)
15:05<zulu>(the obvious thing) rm -rf and ln -s
15:06<tcsetattr>here's a possibility I didn't think of. did udev maybe do a mount of usbfs on /dev/bus/usb
15:07<zulu>well I have no mention in /etc/fstab about usbfs..
15:07<zulu>should'I add a line? or?
15:07<zulu>more a /etc/udev/udev.conf thing?
15:08<tcsetattr>I think there's an /etc/init.d script that does the mount for you on /proc/bus/usb
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15:08<zulu>so I should remove that?
15:08<tcsetattr>as for where the /dev/bus/usb came from, I have no idea.
15:08<tcsetattr>no! /proc/bus/usb is the one that's working, isn't it?
15:08<zulu>yes
15:09<tcsetattr>/proc/bus/usb is the normal location for it. although arguably /dev/bus/usb is more logical since those things do beahve like device nodes.
15:10<zulu>what the fuck irc is not synchin..?
15:10<tcsetattr>it might be a good idea to file a bug report on udev
15:10<zulu>ok
15:11<zulu>I don't know how to do that but I will :)
15:11<zulu>thx for your time
15:11<tcsetattr>it seems like the /dev/bus/usb nodes are intended to be identical to /proc/bus/usb, but you've found a case where they are not functional.
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15:11<tcsetattr>reportbug udev, follow the prompts
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15:11<tcsetattr>tell them about that ENXIO and the workaround
15:13<zulu>Your version (0.103-2~bpo.1) of udev appears to be out of date.
15:13<zulu>????
15:13<zulu>in the prompt
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15:13<tcsetattr>heh
15:13<tcsetattr>maybe that was the problem all along :)
15:13<tcsetattr>current udev in etch is 0.105-4
15:14<zulu>but apt-get update && apt-get install udev tells me I'm already newer version
15:15<tcsetattr>apt-cache policy udev
15:15<zulu>udevinfo is version 103 on unstable...
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15:15<tcsetattr>I don't know what "udevinfo" is.
15:15<zulu>Installed: 0.103-2~bpo.1
15:16<zulu>nor do I :), seems to be contained in udev package and have a --version flag :)
15:16<tcsetattr>you got a good entry for stable (or testing or unstable) in sources.list?
15:16<zulu>deb ftp://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
15:16<zulu>you mean we are fuckin unsynched french?
15:17<zulu>:)
15:17<sato>anyone else experiencing delays apt-getting from ftp.us.debian.org?
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15:17<zulu>ok this is a World Wide Shit (OMG!!)
15:18<zulu>but what is etch? stable?
15:18<tcsetattr>have you done an update recently?
15:18<tcsetattr>etch is stable and it has 0.105; unstable and testing have 0.114
15:18<tcsetattr>I just checked ftp://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 and it lists 0.114-2
15:18<tcsetattr>you need to do an apt-get update I think
15:18<zulu>????
15:19<zulu>ran hundread of time wait...
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15:20<zulu>no error apt-get update 'ing
15:21<zulu>only warning about GPG key...
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15:21<tcsetattr>apt-cache policy udev again
15:22<zulu>OMG!
15:22<tcsetattr>something changed?
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15:22<Carolina>hello
15:23<tcsetattr>it looks like our long boring usb conversation drove everyone away
15:23<Aleric>Is it possible to run windows on linux using xen?
15:23<Carolina>what
15:23<Carolina>____________________________
15:23<Carolina>what is your name
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15:24<zulu>I had http://www.backport which seemed to parasite my /etc/apt/sources.list
15:25<zulu>apt-cache policy udev now list: 0.114-2 999
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15:25<aycko_>is there a page that lists all the possible email clients that support ldap?
15:25<aycko_>i found just some old listings
15:25<zulu>I can't update doin a apt-get install udev it seems to ignore the new version , how do I force reinstall?
15:25<tcsetattr>so now if you apt-get upgrade you'll get the new one. which might not fix the problem (since there's a fairly good chance it's actually in the kernel)
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15:26<zulu>hummm
15:26<aycko_>zulu: with --reinstall
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15:27<zulu>I can't update udev Grrr
15:27<zulu>Reinstallation of udev is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
15:27<zulu>???
15:27<zulu>GREAT :)
15:27<tcsetattr>wow you got lotsa fun errors.
15:27<zulu>yeahhh...
15:27<tcsetattr>have you been messing with that apt priorities?
15:27<zulu>well now ftp2.fr is the first line of sources.list
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15:28<zulu>grrr
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15:28<tcsetattr>order int he file doesn't matter, I don't think. version numbers matter, and apt.conf matters
15:29<tcsetattr>apt-cache policy tells you the reason for its choices, if you understand it... which I don't
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15:31<zulu>I'm running apt-get upgrade... I feel deseperate :)
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15:32<zulu>.zZ.zZ
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15:40<zulu>I think , I will do it the obvious way:
15:40<zulu>download udev-104 and dpkg -i it!!
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15:54<billy5>hello there! one question: my 'man' looks differently on two systems. on the first system I can scroll up and down, on the second I can only press enter or space ("--More--"). Any advice?
15:54<petemc>update-alternatives --config pager
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15:55<petemc>or perhaps just ensure less is installed on the other machine
15:55<billy5>i will try that. thx
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15:59<billy5>i installed less and it works... by the way... what is a pager?
15:59<Myon>a program to scroll text in
15:59<Myon>more, less, most, ...
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15:59<Aleric>I want to test xen - but it's unclear what to install :/
15:59<billy5>i didn't heard of most before, what's that?
15:59<Myon>Aleric: more memory
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16:00<Myon>billy5: a pager :)
16:00<Aleric>http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
16:00<tcsetattr>it's called the "pager" because it display text one page (screenful) at a time.
16:00<Myon>billy5: less is the most common
16:00<Aleric>This says to install xen-linux-system, but that does not exist.
16:00<Myon>less is more popular than most
16:01<Myon>I should say that out of context
16:01<billy5>:)
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16:01<tcsetattr>hmm
16:01[~]billy5 is trying out 'most'
16:01<tcsetattr>"whatis most" on Debian is much less cool than I remember
16:02<tcsetattr>it used to be something like "most - a pager like more or less, but more so"
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16:03<petemc>Aleric: install a kernel and a hypervisor
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16:03<Aleric>petemc: What is the kernel name?
16:03<billy5>'most' looks nice...
16:04<petemc>Aleric: linux-image-2.6.18-N-xen-686
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16:04<billy5>if i want to view a text file i use "cp text-file /dev/stdout | most"... is there an easier way to do that?
16:04<Aleric>petemc: I am doing: apt-cache search xen this does not show such kernels :/
16:04<tcsetattr>uh... "most file" should work.
16:04<petemc>Aleric: testing?
16:05<tcsetattr>that was a nice creative use of cp though
16:05<Aleric>petemc: Yes, but I am running a kernel from unstable (vmlinuz-2.6.22-1-amd64)
16:05<Myon>I'm trying hard to think of a more complicated way, but I don't find one
16:05<Aleric>I need .22 - .18 is not going to work.
16:05<petemc>Aleric: that would appear to be your problem
16:05<billy5>thx... :)
16:05<lupine>Myon: pipe it through dd
16:06<billy5>now what's dd?
16:06<lupine>oh, and zip and zcat
16:06<lupine>s/zip/gzip/
16:06<Myon>there's already one pipe, you need more creative things
16:06<lupine>a few > < `` $() ?
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16:10<lupine>ok, how's this... dd to /dev/stdout, making use of an external utility to read an XML configuration file to determine conversion options to pass to dd. take the output as a pipe to gzip, and send the data via netcat to zcat, whereupon it is fed to less
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16:10<Aleric>petemc: But, those kernels should still show up no? They don't! I don't understand :/
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16:11<Aleric>hikaru:~>apt-cache --names-only search 'linux-image.*xen'
16:11<Aleric>hikaru:~>
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16:12<billy5>lupine: that sounds nice, but what exactly does dd do?
16:13<lupine>same as copy, but configurably and with magic conversion options
16:13<lupine>man dd
16:13<petemc>Aleric: as i understant it, testing can be missing packages
16:14<petemc>i dont use it myself
16:14<Aleric>I have unstable in sources.list too
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16:14<Aleric>and backports, and even http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel
16:14<Aleric>I should get HEAPS of kernels (and I do, just no xen ones)
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16:16<Aleric>petemc: Are you using unstable?
16:17<Aleric>If so, can you look if you can see any xen kernels in it? And if so, what is the name of them?
16:17<billy5>lupine: how do you send data through netcat? do you open a listening socket on the same machine?
16:17<petemc>Aleric: i am, and i do
16:17<Aleric>petemc: What does: apt-cache --names-only search 'linux-image.*xen'
16:17<Aleric>return for you?
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16:18<petemc>unsurprisingly, a list of xen kernels
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16:18<Aleric>So, why do I get nothing? I have unstable in sources.list too.
16:19<petemc>you shouldnt have different releases in sources.list
16:19<lupine>billy5: yep. you'd open the listening one first as a background process
16:21<Aleric>petemc: I think you have to apt-get update or something :/
16:21<Aleric>They are NOT there!
16:21<Aleric>http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&page=1&number=all
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16:21<billy5>lupine: like "nc -l -p 1234 &"... unfortunately i am not familiar with shell scripiting, do you know a good beginner's tutorial?
16:21<Aleric>That shows all packages linux-image. There are NO 'xen' kernels in testing nor unstable. Only in stable.
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16:23<Myon>billy5: google for advanced bash scripting (guide)
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16:25<billy5>thx
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16:25<petemc>Aleric: i ran apt-get update before looking
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16:27<Aleric>petemc: Please give me the url to http://packages.debian.org/ of a xen kernel from unstable for amd64 :(. I cannot find it.
16:29<Aleric>http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-xen-amd64 <--- exists.
16:29<Aleric>The requested URL /unstable/admin/linux-image-xen-amd64 was not found on this server.
16:29<petemc>Aleric: ive looked on another unstable box and there is no xen kernel
16:29<lupine>is it called vserver these days?
16:30<Aleric>lupine: That is possible, there are vserver kernels.
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16:30<lupine>possibly they've been generalised to support other virtualiusation systems. Or something.
16:30<petemc>doubtful
16:31[~]billy5 is reading...
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16:31<stroyan>Aleric: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/xen-hypervisor-3.0-unstable-1-amd64 says read the xen-docs package and build a kernel.
16:32<Aleric>I have installed and read xen-docs, it tells one how to install it from source (tar ball) or with rpms.
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16:33<Aleric>It's not debian specific at all.
16:36<petemc>have you ever built a kernel before?
16:37<Aleric>yes
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16:39<petemc>so do that, with the xen stuff in, install the hyerpvisor, make grub boot the hypervisor and point to your kernel as a module
16:39<zegevrijtt>mm strange when i tried to join with bitchx it said banned.
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16:40<lupine>ah, we have the anti-bitchx firewall in place then? ;)
16:41<benley>awesome
16:41<zegevrijtt>im testing memory use of irc clients for use in old pc's
16:41<benley>epic4 is probably your best bet in that case
16:41<benley>it's all C
16:41<zegevrijtt>nice i will try
16:41<benley>(I think, anyway)
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16:42<ricardo>i am using bitchx without problem ;)
16:42<lupine>OMG HAXXOR
16:42<zegevrijtt>i will test bitchx again.
16:42<petemc>thats debatable
16:42<ricardo>-.-
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16:43<lupine>We must increase our scans to level two
16:43<zegevrijtt>brb
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16:44<zegevrijtt>now it works.. mmm
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16:48<ricardo>Anyone can say why my time change when i shutdown my computer?
16:48<ricardo>the probable cause of this?
16:48<lupine>time passing between you turning it, and turning it on again?
16:48<stroyan>ricardo: How much did it change by, over what period turned off?
16:49<stroyan>I have heard rumors that there is life "offline" and time passes for people when not logged in. ;-)
16:50<ricardo>i change the time, then i reboot and the time is not the correct time
16:50<lupine>;)
16:50<lupine>dying battery?
16:50<ricardo>no
16:50<lupine>or is it always out by a consistent amount?
16:50<ricardo>it work perfetally on the other os
16:51<lupine>dodgy ntp server?
16:51<ricardo>removed
16:51<ricardo>ty
16:51<ricardo>lol
16:51<ricardo>;)
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16:51<lupine>a removed battery might well do it
16:52<lupine>the other OS has ntp powah?
16:52<ricardo>no
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16:55<zegevrijtty>maybe something sets your time from a time server and is wrongly configured
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17:02<Overfiend>argh. I've got an old kernel package installed and I can't get it to purge.
17:02<Overfiend>the postrm is in perl and uses run-parts :P
17:03<Overfiend>any advice?
17:03<Overfiend>Removing linux-image-2.6.14-2-powerpc-smp ...
17:03<Overfiend>run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/mkvmlinuz
17:03<Overfiend>GET mkvmlinuz/bootloaders
17:03<Overfiend>Failed to process /etc/kernel/postrm.d at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.14-2-powerpc-smp.postrm line 279.
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17:03<Overfiend>awesome
17:03<Overfiend>:-P
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17:20<dondelelcaro>Overfiend: sounds like whatever /etc/kernel/postrm.d/*; is doing is failing
17:21<dondelelcaro>(but you probably already knew that)
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18:18<werx_>Hey, can i run an complete installation only using dvd 1?
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18:19<blarson>werx_: Depends on what you mean by complete. The first DVD has the most popular packages.
18:20<blarson>werx_: Even the first CD would give you a working system, but most users would want stuff from the second and maybe third CDs.
18:21<werx_>blarson: Okey, but can i choose to download it inside the installer instead?
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18:22<azeem>werx_: sure
18:23<werx_>And is it and gui installer?
18:23<azeem>werx_: sorry?
18:24<azeem>you can choose the graphical installer if you specify the right option at the boot prompt
18:27<werx_>Okey, I feel like a complete newbie here.. So is it an hard installation, or is it just smooth like, uhm, ubuntu?
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18:27<azeem>werx_: just try it
18:27<azeem>it's not hard at all
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18:28<Overfiend>dondelelcaro: yeah. Since folks here were quiet (in #debian -- unpossible!), and it was just an attempt to make the stale old kernel remove its initrd, I frotzed the postrm to exit 0 as the first thing it did, and rmed the initrd.img by hand.
18:28<ziringha>ciao a tutti
18:28<Overfiend>dondelelcaro: I'm going to *assume* Manoj has since fixed that bug.
18:28<azeem>Overfiend: we moved to oftc!
18:29<werx_>Haha, just worrying about my old files, ubuntu just crashed hard on me, so i was hoping to get out of my depression by changin to debian
18:29<azeem>#d is a bit quieter now
18:29<Overfiend>dondelelcaro: esp. since 2.6.15-1, which was later than the 2.6.14-2 I was removing, had no such problem
18:29<azeem>werx_: which old files?
18:29<Overfiend>I thought OFTC and Freenode were in talks to merge?
18:30<Overfiend>I heard something to that effect several months ago. It puts a sad irony on lilo's untimely death.
18:30<Overfiend>(if true, that is)
18:30<azeem>they merged staff AFAIK
18:30<Overfiend>but not the networks themselves?
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18:31<azeem>dunno
18:31<werx_>Documents, anso... I dont have the time or the effort to run a backup now, i just want it working
18:31<azeem>werx_: well, don't tell the installer to wipe your harddisk then
18:31<Overfiend>azeem: if the server admins don't want to run the same software, I guess it might make sense to keep the networks separate
18:31<Overfiend>what's asuffield up to these days?
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18:32<azeem>he didn't make it to oftc I think
18:32<azeem>haven't heard of him
18:32<Overfiend>haven't heard of him? He's legendary.
18:32<azeem>well
18:32<azeem>since he left
18:32<Overfiend>oh ah
18:32<azeem>I *met* him once
18:32<petemc>he called me a revisionist historian
18:32<Overfiend>azeem: at DC5?
18:32<azeem>no
18:32<azeem>in London
18:32<petemc>seems we disagree on the history of ireland and england
18:32<Overfiend>I think you were there, I know he was
18:33<azeem>wasn't he at DC6?
18:33<azeem>ah no
18:33<Overfiend>azeem: I don't know, b/c I wasn't.
18:33<azeem>me neither
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18:33<Overfiend>A DebConf without Ben Affleck scarely bears thinking about!
18:33<azeem>well, I was at DC5
18:33<azeem>hrm
18:33<azeem>no
18:33<azeem>damn
18:34<azeem>I was at the one where krooger got expelled
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18:34<Overfiend>yeah, DC5 is the first and only time I met asuffield. I distinctly recall him taking several minutes to sing the praises of over-engineered British electric plugs.
18:34<Overfiend>azeem: that was 6
18:34<azeem>ok
18:34<Overfiend>Mexico, not Finland
18:34<azeem>so yeah, asuffield was at the second-last Europe DC
18:34[~]Overfiend notes that azeem is the first person in world history to get the two places confused
18:34<azeem>Overfiend: anyway, how are you these days?
18:34<azeem>I got the numbers confused!
18:35<Overfiend>ah, the sauna baths with the Mariachi bands...
18:35<Overfiend>:D
18:35<azeem>heh
18:35<Overfiend>azeem: getting by in the wake of Progeny's long-awaited death :)
18:35<Overfiend>enjoying the fact that the hellish heat wave finally broke here
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18:36<azeem>good, good
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18:37[~]Overfiend is building X again for the first time in 2-3 years
18:37<Overfiend>but just for my own selfish purposes :)
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18:41[~]Overfiend can't stand fd.o bug #11796
18:41<Overfiend>it's a good thing I run unclutter or I'd be stalking the streets with an automatic weapon
18:43<azeem>oh well, the curse of the wrong endianess
18:44<ben_goodger>ho hum
18:45<ben_goodger>how does one download youtube video files for playing on etch-amd64, given the lack of flash?
18:45<petemc>there are perl scripts floating around, or keepvid.com or such like
18:45<abrotman>i thought there was amd64 flash now
18:46<azeem>youtube-dl?
18:46<abrotman>(there is nspluginwrapper also)
18:46<ben_goodger>abrotman: in lenny, yes... :(
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18:46<abrotman>ben_goodger: so you can use tha twith etch
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19:18<padski>probably way off-topic, but where is a good irc to discuss unix philosophy ?
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19:26<dondelelcaro>padski: as it pertains to what?
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19:29<padski>dondelelcaro: the differences between streams and sockets. why I can't select on signals. stuff I more or less know, but still find slippery.
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19:30<dondelelcaro>padski: oh, you can probably ask that kind of question in #c or whatever language you're actually using
19:30<dondelelcaro>but as far as a specific channel to discuss libc and POSIX et al., I think most of that discussion happens on mailing lists
19:32<padski>dondelelcaro: it's not an implementation question. the answers are learned ostensively, but the concepts really don't have any language bias. nevertheless you are right, I might get some sense in #c :-)
19:33<cacahuate>I have debian etch set up. I am trying to get the ipt_recent module working to block ssh scans. However, it doesn't seem to be working. I followed first example given at http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/28/using-iptables-to-block-brute-force-attacks/ Is there something I am missing?
19:33<cacahuate>by not working, I mean it does not block
19:33<dondelelcaro>cacahuate: you should just install fail2ban
19:33<dondelelcaro>cacahuate: if you're using a debian kernel, it will just work.
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19:34<padski>cacahuate: two ticks ...
19:35<tcsetattr>padski, if you want to select on signals look at pselect(). or there's some new thing called signalfd which might do it more directly, I haven't tried that yet
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19:36<padski>tcsetattr: I know, this is what is bugging me. not the howto, but the why. hence the use of that word: philosophy :-)
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19:37<tcsetattr>I don't think there's any philosophy behind signal handling. It's one of the ugliest parts of unix.
19:37<cacahuate>dondelelcaro, I installed the base system and then packages as needed. I scan successfully verify that the kernel modules are inserted, via lsmod. Is there someplace/where I can check to see diagnose the problem?
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19:39<dondelelcaro>cacahuate: ugh. yeah, the method that they suggest is really bad
19:39<dondelelcaro>cacahuate: don't do what they suggest in that page, and just use fail2ban
19:40<padski>cacahuate: I haven't seen that variation before. there are a variety of approaches to dealing with automated ssh attacks, and the best one will depend on your usage, who you ask and you preferences. tell us more about your usage (if you like), and I will dig up some firewall rule variations
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19:40<padski>cac-A ssh_block -m limit --limit 1/sec -j LOG -ahuate: something like:
19:40<padski>lol, lets try again
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19:40<padski>-A ssh_block -m limit --limit 1/sec -j LOG -
19:40<padski>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 -m state --state NEW --dport 22 -m recent --u
19:40<padski>pdate --seconds 15 -j DROP
19:40<dondelelcaro>there are basically two solutions which are worthwhile: whitelist only, and blocking hosts which fail a specific number of invalid attempts for a certain period of time
19:41<padski>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 -m state --state NEW --dport 22 -m recent --s
19:41<padski>et -j ACCEPT
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19:41<dondelelcaro>anything that does rate limiting or similar is broken, because it has the capacity to block legitimate traffic, and it doesn't block illegitimate traffic hard enough
19:41<padski>disagree. decision points: ...
19:41<tcsetattr>what about my solution... have strong passwords and/or DSA keys and ignore the failed logins
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19:41<padski>passwords or just keys ?
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19:42<padski>access from anywhere or just a narrow range
19:42<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr: yeah, you can do that too; fail2ban is just really easy to setup though, and doesn't come at any real cost
19:42<padski>port-knocking or variation or standard port
19:42<padski>schemes like fail2ban and rate limiting in the firewall
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19:43<cacahuate>padski, my usage is pretty simple. I'd like to make my host as secure as possible my only allowing connections as I need them. For the moment, I just need port 80 and 22 open. I will ssh from any number of places. I cannot use a whitelist 'cause I dont have a set iprange I will be coming in from.
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19:43<tcsetattr>there's only 2 reasons to pay attention to breakin attempts... you're afraid they might succeed, or you think you can catch the idiot who's doing it and punish him. neither of those applies to me
19:43<padski>just keys is optimal to solve the password guessing / brute forcing problem
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19:44<dondelelcaro>tcsetattr: the third is just because you'd rather not have them getting in the way of your logs
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19:44<cacahuate>dondelelcaro, I am looking at fail2ban though would like to understand why the suggested methoud 1) doesn't work and 2) why it's ugly
19:44<sven>is debian's encrypted LVM secure?
19:44<padski>sven: define secure
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19:45<tcsetattr>log cleanliness, ok :)
19:45<sven>padski, when someone tries to read files and doesnt have the password (i have 30 keys one mixed numbers and signs) he shouldnt be able to read the files :)
19:45<dsmink>anyone into mounting filesystems unknown by (c)fdisk ???
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19:46<tcsetattr>fdisk doesn't know _any_ filesystems. partition types are just a hint
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19:46<padski>cacahuate: fail2ban is an excellent hack. it has applications.
19:46<dondelelcaro>cacahuate: the suggested method should work, but possibly not in the way that you are testing for it; it's suboptimal because it doesn't differentiate between failed attemps (which you presumably want to block) and successfull attempts (which you generally don't want to)
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19:47<dsmink>I have this disc, which I recorded with dv format movies on it.. but it has no (known to linux / fdisk or what ever) filesytem... and can;t mount
19:47<sven>padski, so is this encryption easy to hack or is it a good hard one?
19:48<padski>sven: ok. so any crack must get password (or be trivially equivalent)
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19:48<tcsetattr>dsmink, by "disc" you mean a DVD?
19:48<dsmink>yes, mini dvd
19:48<dsmink>1,4 G
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19:48<padski>sven: I have no idea about the specific code you ask about. what is the encryption algo ?
19:48<sven>padski, you mean nobody can go around this and can read my files without my code? :)
19:48<dondelelcaro>sven: it depends on the algorithm and keylength. It should be non-trivial, but the amount of non-triviality varies.
19:49<sven>padski, its just encrypted LVM by default on one partition for whole drive choosing at setup
19:50<padski>sven: apologies, I'm still trying to cover the easy targets. what algo ?
19:51<sven>i dont know the algorythms since i didnt programmed it i just choosed it by setup of debian :)
19:51<padski>sven: ok :-)
19:51<sven>and i gave it a key more than 25keys lenght mixed with numbers and words
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19:52<dsmink>tcsetattr: You know how to read the disc?
19:52<dsmink>tcseattr: by ant chance?
19:53<tcsetattr>start with "file -s /dev/dvd"
19:53<padski>sven: terminology time. if it says it is encrypted LVM, and it doesn't provide some useful security features or is vulnerable in ways it shouldn't be, then it is buggy and should be reported :-) but you should familiarise youself with the design parameters, it may not do what you assume.
19:53<dsmink>tcsetattr: won't hurt my data?
19:54<sven>padski, damn :( that sounds bad
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19:54<padski>sven: sorry :-( security is always tricky. never trust someone who says "trust me" ;-)
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19:54<cacahuate>padski, the three rules you gave. The first one will just log any connection at a rate faste than 1/sec. the second will drop the connection if it continues for 15 seconds, and the last will just accept. Is this correct?
19:55<sven>padski, ha ha ha ! :p i trusted in linux software not in some freeware from someone without name *g*
19:55<dsmink>tcsetattr: /dev/hdb: data
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19:56<sven>brb
19:56<padski>cacahuate: I have them hanging around as comment in a firewall script, I have never implemented them. here's another one: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -m limit --limit 3/minute --limit-burst 2
19:56<padski> -j ACCEPT
19:57<tcsetattr>"data" is the most vague answer file can give.
19:57<dsmink>:D
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19:58<tcsetattr>it's actually the "I have no idea" response. and if it has no idea then neither do I.
19:58<dsmink>Camera said it was in DV format .... :S
19:58<padski>sven: I think your chances of a good result are much improved by this choice, but my advise is still: "look into it, understand what you are using"
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19:58<tcsetattr>go to google, type in the model number of your camera and add "Linux" to the end and see what comes up.
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20:00<padski>cacahuate: you may well be right about what they do. I suspect that if you are, the author of the second rule did not intend it that way :-)
20:01<padski>tcsetattr: google foo linux :-)
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20:01<padski>not literally of couse :-)
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20:05<padski>cacahuate: final thoughts: think about you firewall this way. you punch a hole in it for incoming ssh. trade-off: make the hole simple to avoid malfunction, make the hole small to avoid exposure, make the hole large to enable access.
20:06<padski>g'night all.
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20:06<sven>oh :( he's gone
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20:09<mattme>hi all, i am very get close to install the modem on my thinkpad 600. but stuck in the mwavem packg of debian. afther apt-get isntall mwavem,everything seems fine. the it couldnot be started. the file /etc/wmavem.conf was missing.
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20:10<mattme>i checked the file list of the mwave deb packg, the /etc/mwavem.conf was in list.
20:13<tcsetattr>you might need to install it with --force-confmiss
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20:18<jon_>how do i set up vnc server? i have already added the program
20:19<DarkHack>ok can anyone help me with my HDD problem
20:19<jon_>ill try
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20:20<DarkHack>well i have a HDD that wont mount in Debian
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20:20<jon_>is it anything funny like raid? or just a single drive?
20:20<DarkHack>just a Secondary Primary HDD
20:21<DarkHack>single
20:21<DarkHack>IDE
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20:21<jon_>did you add this after you installed linux ?
20:21<DarkHack>before
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20:22<jon_>are you running gnome or kde ?
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20:24<DarkHack>Gnome
20:24<jon_>ok i want you to add a package thats not default in ubuntu
20:24<jon_>its gparted, the gnome part manager
20:25<DarkHack>im pretty sure i already have that
20:25<jon_>try sudo apt-get install gparted, or in the synaptics package manager search for gparted
20:25<jon_>and is the drive listed there?
20:25<DarkHack>loading now
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20:26<gonzaga>Anybody use umbrello for create model in UML?
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20:27<gonzaga>Who is the best? Firebird or MySQL?
20:27<DarkHack>jon_: i think its there
20:28<jon_>sorry i dun do that stuff
20:28<DarkHack>but its not showing all 10 GIGs
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20:28<jon_>tell me about this drive, was it ntfs ?
20:28<jon_>whats it show ?
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20:29<DarkHack>wait sorry its there
20:29<jon_>all 10g ?
20:29<DarkHack>yep
20:29<jon_>ok this is the easy way if it works
20:29<jon_>what type partition is it ?
20:29<DarkHack>aight im ready
20:29<jon_>do you want to keep the stuff on it
20:29<DarkHack>nope
20:30<jon_>then id suggest right click -> unmount
20:30<jon_>to be sure
20:30<DarkHack>its not mounted
20:30<jon_>then delete the partion
20:30<jon_>then make a new one
20:31<DarkHack>done
20:31<DarkHack>aight
20:31<jon_>then right click on it and try to mount it, i think it poops a little window asking where to mount it
20:31<jon_>if not may need to create a place to mount it
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20:31<DarkHack>one sec
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20:33<gonzaga>How i open a pendrive in debian?
20:34<gonzaga>Anybody help-me?
20:34<fgh>a litle bit offtopic but i think you guys may be a litle bit more into perl then me and hope someone can help. i want $whatever to reply current localtime in this format: 01/09/2007 03:40
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20:35<jon_>try the #perl channel ?
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20:42<IvanGP>hi!!
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20:43<tcsetattr>by 01/09/2007 are you referring to tomorrow, or about 8 months ago? :)
20:43<IvanGP>someone can helpme please, i want to know the channel (or something like) of gnu/musix
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20:49<jon_>ivan, did you do a search for channels ?
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20:51<piper>in oftc there is none, a search of all shows none
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20:52<IvanGP>some one know muxis?
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20:53<IvanGP>Jon, i don't find musix
20:53<piper>no channel of irc in oftc for that either unless private
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21:35<sigp239>how do i add a file to a cd-rw disc?
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21:48<dani_>lol
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22:00<Graelb>Hi
22:01<Graelb>Hate to just jump into the room and start screaming help... but is anyone available who might able to?
22:01<blarson>!ask
22:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
22:02<Graelb>Done this before i take it =P Ok!
22:02<Graelb>I am running Debian AMD64, the newest version. I can't get my USB wireless to work, and i have no idea why
22:03<Graelb>I'm right out of the eggshell new to Linux, but i have a working system right now, I'm just trying to get the wifi to work.
22:04<blarson>Graelb: Does it show up on lsusb? Do you have drivers loaded for it?
22:05<Graelb>Yes it shows up on lsusb, I would assume that means i have the drivers for it...
22:06<blarson>Graelb: no, it just means it's detected and your usb is working. Do an lsmod and look for a driver named for the device.
22:07<blarson>Graelb: many wireless cards require non-free or non-existant drivers, so won't be installed by default.
22:08<Graelb>Ok, i don't see any drivers fitting it anyway =P
22:08<Graelb>well, any drivers that i recognize in relation to this one
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22:08<tcsetattr>what does lsusb say about it?
22:09<gsimmons>mattme: In Debian, the configuration file is located at /etc/mwavem/mwavem.conf (not /etc/mwavem.conf). You'd want to start this program using the 'mwavem' init script, which will call the mwavemd wrapper script as appropriate.
22:10<Graelb>Bus 005 Device 002: ID 050D:7050 Belkin Components DF7050 ver 1000 WiFi
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22:11<tcsetattr>closest thing I can find to that is zd1211rw/zd_usb.c: { USB_DEVICE(0x050d, 0x705c), .driver_info = DEVICE_ZD1211B },
22:13<Graelb>well, it's a ralink chipset... and looking around on the 'net led me here
22:13<Graelb>http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/
22:14<Graelb>And on the actual chip it says 2571, so i figured it'd work with the 2570 driverthing, but when i downloaded it and tried to make it i got an error
22:14<Graelb>...
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22:15<tcsetattr>ok, yeah, looks like rt2x00 should work.
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22:15<tcsetattr>!rt2x00
22:16<tcsetattr>darn.
22:16<Graelb>i'm just not sure how to go about actually doing it. there aren't any HowTo's for debian amd64 on the 2570 one
22:16<tcsetattr>well, you could start with "apt-get install rt2x00-source"
22:16<Graelb>will that work if i don't have an internet connection?
22:17<_chealer>Graelb: unless you have a non-Internet APT source providing the package, no.
22:17<tcsetattr>how did you insatll debian?
22:17<Graelb>DVD's
22:17<tcsetattr>rt2x00-source is part of debian so it should be accessible to you somehow.
22:18<tcsetattr>it'll be one on of the DVD's... I don't know which one, so if you don't have a full set you might get unlucky.
22:18<Graelb>I have the full set, let me check the SPM...
22:19<Graelb>rt2x00 doesn't pull anything in the package manager...
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22:20<Graelb>and apt-get puked "E: Couldn't find package rt2x00-source"
22:20<_chealer>Graelb: depends on your release
22:21<Graelb>on the rt2x00 webpage linked above, if i downloaded the rt2x00 CVS, would that work?
22:21<Graelb>it's on a dual boot, and i can download something to an external HD to use in linux if i have to
22:21<_chealer>Graelb: if you don't mind, why would you do that?
22:22<Graelb>Because i'm weak?
22:22[~]Graelb shakes head
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22:22<Graelb>Do you mean why would i do that instead of figuring out how to get it without resorting to windows?
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22:23<chealer>Graelb: not necessarily. if you can't have a driver without downloading from the internet, you could also download a Debian package of a driver.
22:23<tcsetattr>rt2x00-source is in stable, it's in main, and it's Arch: all, so why would it be missing?
22:24<chealer>Graelb: which Debian version do you use?
22:24<Graelb>Etch i believe
22:24<chealer>Graelb: would you mind verifying?
22:24<Graelb>Absolutely not
22:25<Graelb>...
22:25<Graelb>I don't know how
22:25<tcsetattr>how to find debs for manual downloading on a non-Debian box is not obvious to everyone. (http://packages.debian.org/rt2x00-source)
22:29<Graelb>Chealer: I'm nto exactly sure how to verify that for you, it's kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64, and i just downloaded it two days ago from debian.org. I'm fairly sure it's etch
22:30<Graelb>tscetattr: Rebooting and i'll download that stable version soon as possible =P thanks for that much.
22:30<chealer>Graelb: looks like Etch.
22:30<chealer>!tell Graelb about debian version
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22:30<chealer>Graelb: please publish your sources.list
22:32<piper>cat /etc/debian-version
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22:33<Graelb>chealer: I'm restarting, and i dont' know how to do that either, one minute and i'll actually have the rt2x00-source.deb file
22:33<Graelb>not that i'll know what to do with it
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22:37<Graelb>A little side note: Is there an easier way to access my external HD, without su-ing, and running nautilus, copying over the file?
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22:40<chealer>Graelb: yes
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22:42<Graelb>Ok! I have the rt2x0-source_0cvs20060928-1.deb in my /home file.
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22:42<Graelb>I imagine i do... deb _filename?
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22:45<dondelelcaro>Graelb: dpkg -i, but close; man dpkg for details.
22:46<piper>dpkg -i rt2x0-source_0cvs20060928-1.deb or whatever the name is
22:46<dpkg>package rt2x0-source_0cvs20060928-1.deb or whatever the name is is already installed
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22:48<Graelb>package module assistant is not installed
22:48<Graelb>and debhelper isn't installed
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22:51<dondelelcaro>Graelb: why aren't you just running m-a a-i rt2x0?
22:51<dondelelcaro>(after having installed module-assistant, of course)
22:52<Graelb>dondelelcaro: I have no idea what you just asked me. I don't know what m-a a-i is
22:55<Graelb>...and, the deb just ran... looks like it worked, but i'm not sure how to get the usb to work, now that i have the rt2x00 source installed
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22:57<dondelelcaro>Graelb: m-a is module-assistant. You don't need to manually install the source package at all; if you just run that command, it'll get the source package for you, build the modules, and even load htem.
22:58<chealer>dondelelcaro: it seems rt2x00-source wasn't provided by his APT sources.
22:58<tcsetattr>he didn't go for module-assistant first because he was following my advice... I don't do out-of-tree modules, I just did an apt-cache search and told him the name of the package that came up.
22:58<tcsetattr>and I knew that once the rt2x00-source was installed, its README.Debian would provide the rest of the instructions.
22:58<dondelelcaro>well, it's in stable and unstable
22:59<chealer>dondelelcaro: yeah, I asked him to publish his sources.list
22:59<Graelb>Just a note: the command dondelelcaro told me to use is actually working... for whatever that means
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23:00<Graelb>and now the m-a has run... i'm still not sure how to get the usb working
23:00<tcsetattr>go read the README.
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23:04<Graelb>...Where would i find it? i'm not sure how to search for it either, i tried find and whereis rt2x00, to no avail
23:05<Graelb>nevermind, found one readme in /usr/src/modules/rt2x00
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23:06<Graelb>would the m-a have configured, and built it?
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23:08<tcsetattr>yeah, you probably just need the firmware now.
23:09<Waddledee>I'm looking to get NVidia drivers working with the latest (testing) Debian kernel. Someone else pointed me to http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1234398&postcount=6 . As I was getting ready to do step 1, I noticed the package linux-patch-debian-2.6.21, which made me wonder: are there any Debian-specific things I need to do while I'm doing this? Is there a better way to do what I'm doing?
23:09<Graelb>Is that something i can do at the terminal, or is that something i need to download?
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23:11<Requiem>I'm getting a bizzare issue, where I can burn DVDs, but not cds
23:11<Requiem>wait... hmm...
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23:12<tcsetattr>wodim!
23:13<Xenguy>tcsetattr: yes, exactly. How the fsck am I ever going to remember that designation? :P
23:13<tcsetattr>there is a dummy package cdrecord for transition
23:13<Requiem>wodim would be the process that runs away with my CPU cycles when I try to burn CDs
23:13<Xenguy>oh good ;-)
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23:14<Xenguy>Requiem: hrm, bummer, thought it was supposed to be an improvement :p
23:16<Requiem>guess it's not the end f the world, given that I only have two blank CDs left, compared to the double stacks of DVDs
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23:16<Graelb>tcsetattr: ok, found the firmware on ralink's webpage, how do i install it once i have it on my box?
23:16<Requiem>need it for the next time I want install discs though
23:17<tcsetattr>I dunno. Try reading the README!
23:17<Xenguy>Requiem: there's always k3b
23:18<Requiem>thats what I'm using
23:18<Xenguy>hrm
23:18<Xenguy>weird
23:18<Requiem>it's possible that's the problem too
23:19<Requiem>since it locks up when I try to look at debug output for a CD
23:19<Xenguy>Requiem: there's gnomebaker, and even just nautilus AFAIK
23:20<Requiem>I'm on KDE... thus the k3b
23:20<Requiem>gnomebaker might not be too huge of an install though
23:20<Xenguy>Requiem: gnome and kde apps mix and match alright for me
23:21<Xenguy>Requiem: yeah, gnomebaker might help tell what kind of problem you actually have, like a 2nd test
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23:25<Requiem>gives me more output when it crashes at least
23:25<harpal>I he compiled a kernel and now when I try to boot from that kernel I got request_module: runaway loop modprobe net-pf-1
23:26<harpal>and my system doesnt go ahead and stops booting
23:26<harpal>whats problem?
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23:27<Requiem>okay
23:27<Requiem>gives me an error that it can't open the SCSI ID, and that it will try to open it as an ATI, this error message repeats indefinately
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23:28<Requiem>This is another hardware not supported in kernel error isn't it...
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23:37<schwinn434>any one here?
23:38<GhostlyDeath>no
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23:38<schwinn434>?
23:40<GhostlyDeath>Anyone know of any version of Debian with X and a web browser that works on 123Mhz/16MB/i386 that I can download and install on DSL's console?
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23:43<GhostlyDeath>How do I boot into Windows NT 4.0 that resides on the secondary IDE channel from a grub-floppy?
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23:52<gsimmons>GhostlyDeath: Probably by using chainloading and drive mapping. See sections 4.1.2 and 4.2.6 of the GRUB manual.
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