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---Logopened Sat Sep 01 00:00:04 2007
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00:00<Graelb>ok. I now have a wlan0 in iwconfig.
00:00<Graelb>and i'm stuck again
00:01<mattme>hi, it's my modem on thinkpad 600 agian. after try and try.i finally install the mwave and it starup seems fine. i set the speed to 9600 in both mwavem.conf and minicom. but there is no "OK" msg when I run minicom.
00:01<Graelb>i can even use iwlist scan to find my network, and type in iwconfig wlan0 ap <mac address> and it goes to the next line...
00:01<Graelb>i'm stuck
00:02<tcsetattr>so the iwconfig succeeded?
00:03<Graelb>well, the iwlist finds the network, and the next point from the readme was iwconfig ap ------
00:03<Graelb>i'm not sure if it succeeded or not, i still can't get to goodle
00:04<Graelb>google*
00:04<tcsetattr>once you've got the driver stuff figured out and have a working interface, you configure it by editing /etc/network/interfaces
00:05<Graelb>what do i want to do in the configuration?
00:06<tcsetattr>how do I know what you want? :)
00:06<tcsetattr>most people either want to use DHCP or set a static IP address.
00:06<tcsetattr>"man 5 interfaces" will get you the documentation of that file, including some examples you can copy.
00:06<Graelb>ok
00:07<Graelb>Hey, i just want to let you know i appreciate your help
00:08<tcsetattr>you can put the wireless parameters for iwconfig in /etc/network/interfaces too
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00:09<Graelb>it's a desktop, so it'll only be connecting to one network, so it should be ok to establish all my settings in there then?
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00:10<gsimmons>mattme: Aside from wondering why you've set the speed in /etc/mwavem/mwavem.conf, have you told minicom to use the mwave serial device? By default it's /dev/ttyS1.
00:10<mattme>yes, the defaul is /dev/ttyS1
00:12<mattme>the defaul bps in minicom is 115200,
00:12<tcsetattr>the mwave modem device will be /dev/mwave or /dev/modems/mwave
00:12<tcsetattr>go to minicom's serial port setup menu and tell it one of those. (preferably after you look and see that it exists)
00:13<mattme>afther install the mwave, the /dev/Mwave-modem is created by the startup script
00:13<mattme>and it link to /dev/ttyS1
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00:15<tcsetattr>oh, that's yucky.
00:16<tcsetattr>ttyS* is supposed to be for real serial ports or modems that behave as serial ports.
00:17<mattme>i check the syslog in var. the mwavemd started no problem.
00:17<gsimmons>mattme: Out of interest, did the suggestion to exclude IRQ 3 within /etc/pcmcia/config.opts earlier, resolve your interrupt conflict?
00:18<mattme>yes, I modify the /etc/pcmcia/config.opts, add "exclude irq 3" now that problem solved.
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00:19<gsimmons>mattme: Ah, good to hear. I'll commit that to a factoid.
00:19<Graelb>in my interfaces, there is already "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and "wireless-essid <network name>"
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00:19<Graelb>I'm not sure what i need to or should put in here
00:20<tcsetattr>ok, once the interfaces file looks good, you should run "ifup wlan0" to bring up the interface
00:21<gsimmons>Graelb: See /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for an example interfaces configuration.
00:21<Graelb>interface wlan0 already configured
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00:22<Tuplad>as a personal user, should I get a firewall and anti virus for my debian ? is it even worth getting it ?
00:23<tcsetattr>so... it's done! is it working yet?
00:23<Graelb>*checks epiphany*
00:23<Graelb>nope
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00:24<Graelb>if i try and ping google, it says network is unreachable
00:24<tcsetattr>Graelb, what kind of IP address assignment did you use?
00:26<Graelb>in the config file?
00:27<tcsetattr>oh I see you said dhcp
00:27<Graelb>yeah *nods*
00:27<tcsetattr>try doing ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0
00:28<tcsetattr>when it tried to do dhcp earlier you didn't have everything set up properly yet so it didn't get an IP address... maybe if you go down and up again, it'll work this time
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00:29<Graelb>*nods*
00:29<tcsetattr>at least when you run the ifup you should see it report on its attempt to get an address
00:29<Graelb>dhpdiscover on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5,11,19,16
00:30<Graelb>I think ino dhcpoffers received
00:30<Graelb>no working leases in persisent database - sleeping
00:31<tcsetattr>makes me wonder if the thing is associated. but I haven't done wireless recently so I don't know how to check that. iwconfig maybe?
00:32<Tuplad>As a personal user (thus not running a server AND the only user) - is it worth getting a firewall/antivirus for Linux?
00:32<piper>n8
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00:32<Graelb>coincidentally, now when i do the scan, it doesn't find anything
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00:40<tcsetattr>any iwconfig settings you had to do to make it work the first time should be put into the interfaces file
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00:41<Graelb>it never really worked, it did the scan and found the network, but it never did anything after that
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00:46<Graelb>why can't i write to the interfaces file?
00:47<tcsetattr>I don't know... you never mentioned that before.
00:47<tcsetattr>not being root?
00:48<Graelb>yeap, forgot the sudo
00:48<Graelb>lol
00:49<Graelb>I never had to write anything in it before by the way, when i did the iwconfig options that the readme told me to do, it automatically put them in the interfaces file
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00:54<Graelb>unknown hardware address type 801? what would that mean?
00:55<Graelb>that shows up at the top of the ifup command on wlan0
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01:00<chealer>Graelb: i. e. # ifup wlan0; ?
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01:01<Graelb>...yes
01:01<Graelb>?
01:02<Graelb>well, and when i run ifdown wlan0, it gives me the same erros, two lines of "wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801"
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01:03<Graelb>then it says listening on LPF/wlan0/00:11:50:88:f1:75
01:03<Graelb>and sending on - same
01:03<Graelb>sending on socket/fallback
01:04<Graelb>dhcpdiscover on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval <different numbers here every time>
01:04<Graelb>no dhcpoffers recieved, no working leases, sleeping
01:04<Graelb>that's all i get when i type ifup wlan0
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01:06<Graelb>then, when i scan after i've done all of that, it doesn't find anything, but the light on the device still lights up
01:06<xerophyte>is there anyway i can go from sid to lenny or do i have to reinstall
01:12<chealer>Graelb: you may want to check Google.
01:13<Graelb>Yep! looks like it
01:13<Graelb>I'm going to go to bed though, i have a flight out in 6 hours...
01:13<Graelb>so... thank you guys for all your help. We've gotten closer =)
01:14<Graelb>Thanks again. I'll see you ina week or so
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01:43<mikes>hello! im trying to install sid since yesterday from businesscard cd.the installation fails while prosseccing pakcage libxft2. does anyone have the same problem?
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02:44<rummeldibummel>hi how can i use *.theme files for icon themes with kde?
02:47<EmleyMoor>Is there any way I could use the standard Debian kernel image? My system boots from an offboard IDE controller (HPT302)
02:48<EmleyMoor>I have had no success with it yet - leaving me stuck with a kernel derived from much earlier days of use, which doesn't have everything normally expected enabled
02:49<EmleyMoor>(for instance, I had to alter it to take account of USB mice recently)
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02:52<blarson>EmleyMoor: What version of debian are you using? What is the Debian kernel missing?
02:53<EmleyMoor>etch. Can't quantify but lots of stuff as I started from a "well trimmed down" one on an earlier incarnation of this machine
02:54<EmleyMoor>Also, a lot of stuff which is modules these days is compiled in on mine
02:54<EmleyMoor>Might be able to diff my config on this against the standard one on one of my other machines if that will help
02:55<blarson>EmleyMoor: Are you using an initrd? How are you creating it?
02:55<EmleyMoor>I don't believe I am using an initrd at present
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03:00<tcsetattr>whether your IDE controller is on the motherboard or on an expansion card doesn't really matter.
03:01<EmleyMoor>tcsetattr: Except that, for some reason, the standard kernel gives the onboard one priority
03:01<tcsetattr>oh, you have an onboard controller also...
03:02<EmleyMoor>Yes - I have two controllers - I need to have room for guest drives - was going to say future expansion but that will likely be via SATA
03:02<tcsetattr>so it sees the onboard ports as hd[a-d] and your expansion card as hd[e-h] ?
03:02<blarson>EmleyMoor: Current debian kerenels depend on an initrd to load the needed drivers to boot from.
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03:02<EmleyMoor>Yes - and it needs to be the other way round
03:03<tcsetattr>why does it need to be the other way around? because that's the way your current custom kernel sees it?
03:03<EmleyMoor>blarson: Ah, I see. Are there any guides to configuring one that will work?
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03:03<tcsetattr>there's nothing inherently wrong with having a root filesystem on /dev/hde1 or similar
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03:04<tcsetattr>where does it fail? on mounting the root?
03:04<EmleyMoor>tcsetattr: I suppose it could be that way now - I remember once when I had a similar setup, lilo used to fuss, but I use grub now
03:04<EmleyMoor>Yes, the failure is when mounting the root
03:05<blarson>EmleyMoor: You can mount by name or uuid, so controler order wouldn't matter.
03:05<EmleyMoor>blarson: So there's a way it could be mounted even if it moved to a different position?
03:06<blarson>EmleyMoor: I think the current kernels depend on an initrd-making tool and make it automaticly. You just need to configure grub or lilo to use it.
03:07<tcsetattr>the big question is: is the automatically generated initrd smart enough to known which ide driver to load first in the case of multiple ide controllers, in order to provide the desired boot drive as /dev/hda
03:07<EmleyMoor>blarson: Any pointers as to how I configure grub to use it? What of these other mount methods?
03:07<blarson>EmleyMoor: Label=<label> in first columb of /etc/fstab
03:07<tcsetattr>/etc/fstab doesn't tell the kernel where to find the rootfs though.
03:08<EmleyMoor>blarson: Presumably there is some way to see what labels I gave? (I know I did)
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03:09<lupine>/dev/by-id/label ?
03:09<EmleyMoor>tcsetattr: I'm going to have a look at one of my other systems and see if I can work out what to do
03:10<lupine>whoops. /dev/disk/by-id
03:10<lupine>9or by-label or by-uuid or by-path)
03:11<tcsetattr>it wouldn't hurt to give the debian initrd a try. it only takes a minor reconfiguration of the bootloader and if it doesn't work you can go back to looking for another answer
03:11<EmleyMoor>tcsetattr: How do I give that a try?
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03:14<EmleyMoor>How do I inspect the initrd? (I have a couple of machines using standard kernels)
03:15<omac>Hello everyone. I have a Lemote.com Mini-Fulong pc running a Godson2E. Linux debian 2.6.21.3lm32 #17 Thu Jun 14 14:18:13 CST 2007 mips64 GNU/Linux
03:16<omac>cat /proc/cpuinfo system type : lemote-fulong processor : 0 cpu model : ICT Loongson-2 V0.2 FPU V0.1 BogoMIPS : 444.41
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03:17<omac>I have a problem getting my scanner to talk with sane...a Benq Scanner 5000.
03:18<omac>It's a usb scanner that should be working with the snapscan backend.
03:18<tcsetattr>the old-style initrd is a filesystem image, you can mount -o loop your-intird-file /mnt and then cd /mnt and look around. the new style is initramfs, which is a cpio archive. cpio -ivd to extract it (do that in a temporary empty directory or it'll be messy
03:18<tcsetattr>another usb scanner problem! I wonder if it's the same as the one earlier today.
03:18<tcsetattr>omac, does lsusb show the scanner?
03:18<omac>I downloaded and compiled the backend/frontend from the sane web site and did configure, make make install.
03:18<omac>lsusb -t shows it.
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03:20<tcsetattr>not the same then.
03:20<tcsetattr>debian's version of sane not good enough?
03:21<tcsetattr>Benq 5000 is listed in the /etc/sane.d/snapscan.conf that comes with debian's version.
03:22<omac>cat /proc/bus/usb/devices
03:22<omac>T: Bus=03 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 4 Spd=12 MxCh= 0
03:22<omac>D: Ver= 1.00 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1
03:22<omac>P: Vendor=04a5 ProdID=20f8 Rev= 1.20
03:22<omac>S: Manufacturer=Color
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03:22<tcsetattr>woo!
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03:24<tcsetattr>was there a point to that?
03:24<tcsetattr>I'm asking why you decided to compile your own
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03:24<EmleyMoor>I'm right in the middle of periodic backups of my various systems right now... but would like to get to a standard kernel by the end of September if I can manage it
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03:24<tcsetattr>I'll accept just about any reason but it's not nice to ignore the question
03:24<EmleyMoor>(even my laptop copes with one)
03:24<omac>oops
03:25<omac>the lemote box had in /etc/modprobe.d/libsane
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03:25<omac>blacklist scanner
03:25<omac>I removed that line.
03:25<tcsetattr>that probably won't help.
03:25<omac>I tried to do a modprobe again.
03:25<omac>where is module scanner?
03:26<tcsetattr>the kernel "scanner" module is outdated an unnecessary with recent versions of sane
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03:26<khaosnz>sorry off topic anyone know what the correct complete message for the King Kong Shader Expliot for XELL private message me please
03:26<tcsetattr>so instead of spouting off with random crap, ANSWER my question!
03:26<omac>I was told for this scanner in particular I needed the scanner module
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03:28<tcsetattr>ok, I give up. non-cooperative supplicant.
03:28<omac>tcsetattr:
03:28<omac>could you ask me the question again please?
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03:29<kapil>omac: i think tcsetattr was trying to find out why you were compiling sane instead of using the Debian package of sane.
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03:29<omac>I did use the debian package at first.
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03:30<kapil>omac: that is not a complete answer.
03:31<omac>ok the binaries that ship with lemote are recent.
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03:33<omac>but the /etc/sane/snapscan.conf file was not on the lemote box.
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03:39<tcsetattr>I was wondering what went wrong with the debian version.
03:39<tcsetattr>now I'm just wondering what a "lemote" is.
03:40<omac>modprobe scanner vendor=0x04a5 product=0x20f8
03:40<omac><omac> but it gave the following message:
03:40<omac><omac> FATAL: Module scanner not found.
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03:40<omac>cat /proc/bus/usb/devices shows the device though...that's why I don't know.
03:41<tcsetattr>you're gonna have to give up on that scanner kernel module. it is obsolete.
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03:41<tcsetattr>it may be a 2.4 thing.
03:41<tcsetattr>what you should do for detecting usb scanners with a recent version of sane is "scanimage -L"
03:42<omac>No scanners were identified.
03:42<omac>with scanimage -L...I just did it.
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03:43<omac>I have a question. how do I express the usb device I know is the scanner into a directory path?
03:43<tcsetattr>and you have /etc/sane/snapscan.conf now, with the "usb 0x04a5 0x20fc" line in it?
03:44<omac>Bus=03 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 4 Spd=12 MxCh= 0
03:44<tcsetattr>the path to it will be something like /proc/bus/usb/003/004
03:45<omac># /dev/usb/scanner0 bus=usb
03:45<tcsetattr>which you can test with lsusb -D /proc/bus/usb/003/004 -- but it's not very useful because it can change.
03:45<omac>yes
03:45<omac>lsusb -D /proc/bus/usb/003/004
03:46<tcsetattr>why are you quoting that commented-out line about /dev/usb/scanner0 ? you are the king of the non sequitur!
03:47<omac>I wanted to show you what was in the file.
03:47<omac>I don't know usb at all.
03:47<omac>thank you :)
03:47<omac>I will uncomment it out.
03:48<tcsetattr>the # means comment. Don't!
03:48<tcsetattr>dammit.
03:48<tcsetattr>/dev/usb/scanner* is related to that obsolete scanner module. things just don't work that way any more
03:48<omac>I didn't uncomment it.
03:48<tcsetattr>the line I asked you to look for was "usb 0x04a5 0x20fc" but you went off and did something else.
03:49<omac>but you're right the vendor product combo is there.
03:50<omac>ok it's there in the snapscan.conf file.
03:50<tcsetattr>and it matches the lsusb...
03:50<omac>I just discovered that I actually have a 5000U
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03:51<omac>My scanner has a beautiful label on it saying it is a 5000. Not a 5000U :)
03:51<tcsetattr>ok, 2048 instead of 204c? no big deal
03:51<EmleyMoor>Does it take a long time to extract an initrd?
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03:53<tcsetattr>I'd suggest strace scanimage -L ... this will generate a lot of output but should tell us why it's not finding it.
03:53<tcsetattr>initrd's are supposed to be small, shouldn't take much to extract it.
03:54<EmleyMoor>It's taking an age
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03:54<EmleyMoor>... unless I've somehow got the command wrong or it's the other kind
03:54<EmleyMoor>(and if it is, what type of fs?
03:54<tcsetattr>what are you doing? a cpio?
03:54<EmleyMoor>)
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03:54<EmleyMoor>tcsetattr: Yes
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03:55<tcsetattr>I probably quoted the cpio command wrong :)
03:56<simonrvn>to unpack an initramfs initrd i just do zcat | cpio -i
03:56<simonrvn>er, include the file name after zcat ;)
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03:56<tcsetattr>it wants the archive on stdin
03:57<EmleyMoor>simonrvn: Great - that took about a second
03:57<tcsetattr>so if you did cpio -i your-initrd-file it's waiting for you to enter the archive from the tty :)
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03:58<EmleyMoor>tcsetattr: I used the command as you gave it
03:59<omac>ok I did the strace scanimage -L...and it ended....lots of output as you said.
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04:00<tcsetattr>look in the strace output for the part where it opens /proc/bus/usb/003/004
04:01<tcsetattr>the cpio command "as I gave it" was: "cpio -ivd to extract it" - that was not a complete command to be typed verbatim...
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04:02<joseph>Hi, I have some questions about installing Debian unstable.
04:03<joseph>I downloaded the netinstall ISO. It didn't give me the option to install the gnome desktop environment. The other problem I found was that my sources.list was empty.
04:03<joseph>The sources.list only showed the security updates for lenny.
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04:04<omac>open("/dev/bus/usb/003/011", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
04:04<omac>there are many many lines before and after that resemble this.
04:04<tcsetattr>what does 003/011 have to do with anything?
04:04<tcsetattr>you did verify the 003/004 with lsusb -D didn't you?
04:05<omac>it didn't work for me
04:05<tcsetattr>long live the king.
04:05<tcsetattr>holy crap, this was like 15 minutes ago and just now you say it didn't work?
04:05<EmleyMoor>tcsetattr: Well, indeed - I thought it was needed as an argument, not as input
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04:06<EmleyMoor>I don't really see a way to deal with it at this point anyway
04:06<tcsetattr>EmleyMoor, I didn't remember exactly (and I've never done an initramfs anyway) so I gave you just enough of a hint that you'd be able to read the cpio man page and figure it out :)
04:07<EmleyMoor>Fair enough - I'll get my periodic backups out of the way and then work on this further
04:07<EmleyMoor>How do I label a partition that doesn't have one yet?
04:07<tcsetattr>e2label?
04:08<omac>Bus# 3
04:08<omac>`-Dev# 1 Vendor 0x0000 Product 0x0000
04:08<omac> `-Dev# 10 Vendor 0x03eb Product 0x0902
04:08<omac> |-Dev# 11 Vendor 0x1241 Product 0x1503
04:08<omac> |-Dev# 12 Vendor 0x04a5 Product 0x20f8
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04:08<EmleyMoor>No, it has one of those... it doesn't have a label in /dev/disk...
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04:08<omac>bus 3 device 12
04:08<tcsetattr>oh I don't know about that /dev/disk stuff.
04:09<tcsetattr>it would be nice if scanimage provided some way to specify the device by its usb bus location.
04:09<omac>so that would be /dev/bus/usb/003/012 lsusb -D /dev/bus/usb/003/012
04:09<omac>Cannot open /dev/bus/usb/003/012
04:10<tcsetattr>forget /dev/bus/usb - use /proc/bus/usb instead
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04:10<joseph>Can anyone give me some pointers please on installing Debian unstable?
04:10<joseph>I really really want to make this work.
04:11<omac>lsusb -D /proc/bus/usb/003/012
04:11<omac>Cannot open /proc/bus/usb/003/012
04:11<omac>/proc/bus/usb/003# ls
04:11<omac>001 010 011 012 014 048
04:12<omac>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 57 Sep 1 17:05 012
04:12<joseph>For example: Is it normal that when you installed debian unstable the sources.list is empty except for commented CD-ROM entry and security entry?
04:12<joseph>and is it normal that when you install unstable, the option to install gnome does not appear?
04:13<tcsetattr>if you're concerned with normalcy you shouldn't be trying to use unstable
04:13<tcsetattr>strace lsusb -D /proc/bus/usb/003/012 (this one should be shorter than the strace of scanimage -L)
04:13<joseph>tcsetattr> No I'm not concerned with normalcy I have a couple stable operating systems already installed on this computer.
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04:14<joseph>I just really really want to check out unstable....working with gnome and a functioning sources.list
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04:14<chuy_max>hi, is there a workaround to download files from megaupload.com without installing the megaupload bar? (my country is always blocked and tells me to download it, what is impossible in debian)
04:14<EmleyMoor>There are so many mismatches in package versions in unstable at the moment, it's a wonder it works at all
04:15<EmleyMoor>Still, I only have it on a virtual machine
04:15<joseph>EmleyMoor> :(
04:16<omac>execve("/usr/sbin/lsusb", ["lsusb", "-D", "/proc/bus/usb/003/012"], [/* 19 vars */]) = 0
04:16<omac>svr4_syscall() = -1 ERRNO_4122 (Unknown error 4122) svr4_syscall() = -1 ERRNO_4045 (Unknown error 4045) access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
04:16<joseph>as long as I have a gnome environment and apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade
04:16<joseph>I don't care!
04:17<omac>readlink("/proc/bus/usb/003/012", 0x7ffddb80, 4097) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) write(2, "Cannot open /proc/bus/usb/003/01"..., 34Cannot open /proc/bus/usb/003/012 ) = 34 exit_group(1) = ?Process 2603 detached
04:17<omac>those were the first group of lines and the last group of lines.
04:17<omac>It tries to open all of the usb devices and fails on all of them.
04:18<tcsetattr>the interesting part would be the open("/proc/bus/usb/003/012"
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04:19<tcsetattr>now comes another 10 minutes of silence followed by something irrelevant.
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04:22<omac>tcesetattr: You have a wonderful sense of humour....I'm trying to get my little lemote box to just let me read my benq device driver disk right now. Are you hinting to the fact my permissions for the device are not set correctly?
04:22<tcsetattr>I'm thinking you suck at troubleshooting.
04:23<tcsetattr>you can't figure out which part of the lsusb strace is relevant and you won't even show me after I specifcally TELL you which part is relevant.
04:23<omac>I don't mind you insulting me, but I'm here for your help.
04:23<tcsetattr>you are too slow! show me the open("/proc/bus/usb/003/012" line from the strace.... NOW! not in 2 minutes, but NOW!
04:24<omac>I showed you the last 3 lines where the errror was. What else do you want?
04:24<tcsetattr>did I ask you for "the last 3 lines"?
04:24<omac>I did...readlink(... above.
04:24<tcsetattr>no.
04:24<tcsetattr>not readlink.
04:24<tcsetattr>open.
04:24<tcsetattr>readlink is not open.
04:25<omac>open("/dev/bus/usb/003/012", O_RDWR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
04:25<omac>open("/dev/bus/usb/003/012", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
04:25<omac>as you know what it says is not true because it does exist.
04:25<tcsetattr>that's not /proc/bus/usb, that's /dev/bus/usb
04:25<omac>I do appreciate your help by the way. thks for your patience.
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04:25<tcsetattr>this stupid /dev/bus/usb was the cause of the other guy's problem earlier.
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04:26<tcsetattr>is it looking in /dev/bus/usb even when you specify -D /proc/bus/usb/003/002 on the command line?
04:26<omac>I don't know what you're referring to sorry.
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04:27<CharlieKane>hi
04:27<omac>YES yES yes it is looking all over the f%#$%# place...
04:28<omac>/dev/bus/usb/003/015", O_RDWR) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
04:28<omac>open("/dev/bus/usb/003/015
04:28<omac>all of them open use /dev/bus/usb...
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04:29<omac>the only one using /proc/bus/usb/003/012 is the readlink
04:29<tcsetattr>could we try an experiment? let's get rid of /dev/bus/usb ... rename it... mv /dev/bus/usb /dev/bus/.usb
04:29<tcsetattr>and then run the scanimage -L again
04:30<omac>my keyboard and my mouse are usb devices.
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04:30<tcsetattr>ok so you're a little worried :)
04:31<omac>if I do it will my keyboard still work?
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04:31<omac>I'll do it.
04:31<omac>hang on.
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04:34<tcsetattr>are you still there?
04:35<omac>y
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04:35<tcsetattr>I foudn another way...
04:36<omac>yes I'm listening
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04:36<tcsetattr>run it like this: USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb lsusb -D /proc/bus/usb/003/012
04:36<omac>strace ...
04:36<tcsetattr>with or without strace, just wanna see if it does anything different
04:37<omac>it freakin worked :)
04:37<omac>where do I paste all the stuff ...
04:37<tcsetattr>don't.
04:37<omac>ok
04:38<tcsetattr>I don't care about the stuff, just whether it worked or not (and whether it says "scanner" somewhere)
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04:38<joseph>what is the recommended way to install unstable?
04:38<tcsetattr>now you could try: USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb scanimage -L
04:38<joseph>should I install testing first and then change my sources.list?
04:38<omac>USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb strace lsusb -D /proc/bus/usb/003/012
04:38<joseph>or should I install from unstable ISO?
04:38<omac>I did this one.
04:38<omac>now I'm going to do like you said with scanimage
04:40<omac>root@debian:/etc/sane.d# USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb scanimage -L
04:40<omac>device `snapscan:libusb:003:012' is a Acer FlatbedScanner22 flatbed scanner
04:40<omac>root@debian:/etc/sane.d#
04:40<tcsetattr>that's an improvement, isn't it?
04:40<omac>you are a GOD leet!
04:41<omac>if there is something inChangchun, China you wish to have I can get it for you.
04:41<tcsetattr>that's 2 people in under 24 hours who had a broken scanner.. and both of them fixed by using /proc/bus/usb instead of /dev/bus/usb (the other guy actually removed /dev/bus/usb)
04:41<omac>that's where I'm teaching english right now.
04:41<tcsetattr>ah, I wondered how someone with a Chinese computer was speaking English so well
04:42<tcsetattr>(and not the kind of Chinese computer that gets sold all over the world)
04:42<omac>thanks...the delayed reaction is partly due to the dead slow internet connection to...I just got it for 900RMB for the year.
04:42<omac>I need to upgrade when I make a bit of cash.
04:43<omac>now getting back to the driver....how do I get sane to use that path correctly all the time.
04:44<tcsetattr>I found bugs.debian.org/336596 which is the one where someone said "/dev/bus/usb should be used instead of /proc/bus/usb" and the change was made
04:44<tcsetattr>seems like that change was premature. /dev/bus/usb is not an adequate replacement.
04:44<tcsetattr>it screws up some scanners at least
04:45<omac>in this case it seems to screw up general sane-utils
04:46<omac>sane-find-scanner and scanimage -L both rely on lsusb like behaviour...is this a lsusb bug or libusb bug? or is this a sane bug?
04:46<tcsetattr>I believe the bug is actually in the kernel - it provides 2 interfaces, one through /dev/bus/usb (which is not documented anywhere I can see) and the older one is "usbfs" which is mounted at /proc/bus/usb.
04:47<omac>my usb dvd burner is ok...but dead slow...the usb 1.0 is the only protocol the lemote box supports. I did pay only 300CA for it.
04:47<tcsetattr>the new /dev/bus/usb is supposed to replace the old usbfs, but it apparently doesn't work in some cases.
04:47<tcsetattr>now, libusb has switched to using /dev/bus/usb by default which may be considered another bug.
04:47<omac>thank god for backward compatibility environment variables.
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04:49<tcsetattr>I couldn't believe -D /proc/bus/usb/... was looking in the wrong place. it turns out -D doesn't have any effect on the searching, it only selects what to display after the full device tree has been read.
04:50<omac>makes sense...easier to pluck out a node than to customize code.
04:51<EmleyMoor>I haven't used my scanner for ages - will try it again as soon as I find its PSU though
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04:52<tcsetattr>here's a bonus fact: /dev/bus/usb doesn't exist in the official device list (Documentation/devices.txt) and it doesn't exist in MAKEDEV, so you only have it if you use udev. And if you don't have it, then libusb falls back on /proc/bus/usb and works.
04:53<tcsetattr>so this problem, like so many others, can be solved by removing udev. in spite of not being a bug in udev.
04:53<tcsetattr>still I shall use it to increase my hatred of udev
04:54<omac>but isn't udev something new
04:54<omac>roughly 2 years right?
04:54<tcsetattr>maybe 3 or 4
04:54<omac>I saw it in unstable 2 years ago.
04:55<omac>thanks for all the advice...now I have special request...theres aperl scirpt here for installing a firmware into the usb scanner before I can use it.
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04:56<omac>can I paste it to you.
04:56<ifvoid>pastebin.com
04:56<omac> USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb perl acerfirm.pl -q
04:56<omac>Can't open scanner device at acerfirm.pl line 142.
04:56<tcsetattr>I should have gone to sleep around the time you came in :)
04:56<ifvoid>omac: are you running the script as root?
04:56<tcsetattr>what's on line 142?
04:56<omac>like I said I owe something from Changchun.
04:57<omac>yes...
04:57<omac>root yes.
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04:57<joseph>What is the recommended way to install unstable? Should I install testing first and then update my sources.list? Or should I install from unstable ISO?
04:58<omac>http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/acerfirm
04:58<ifvoid>joseph: install stable and upgrade to unstable
04:58<tcsetattr>when the error message tells you specifically what file and line number the error is on, you should get an uncontrollable urge to look at that line. if this does not occur, you are missing a geek gene
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04:58<joseph>ifvoid> Would it be better to install testing and upgrade to unstable?
04:58<tcsetattr>oh hell that script is using /dev/usb/scanner0
04:58<ifvoid>joseph: no
04:58<omac>change the sources.list s/etch/unstable/ that should be it.
04:58<joseph>ifvoid: For what reason, may I politely ask?
04:58<omac>update adn go.
04:58<ifvoid>joseph: testing doesn't have a decent installer
04:59<ifvoid>joseph: just a development one
04:59<joseph>ifvoid: I have another question. This is going to be difficult to express.
04:59<bzed>which is usually pretty devent
04:59<bzed>*decent
04:59<ifvoid>so you could try it, but you'll probably encounter bugs
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04:59<ifvoid>which is good, because you can then report them and they can be fixed ;)
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04:59<ifvoid>bzed: there're no guarantees though
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05:00<omac>that's what I thought I was doing here :)
05:00<omac>debian chat forum is the best bug tracking system :)
05:01<joseph>ifvoid: If I install stable and upgrade to unstable, rather than installing straight from unstable installer, will the set of packages that gets installed be different? That is, could it be that installing straight to unstable gives me a different set of packages, and that installing from stable and upgrading to unstable will not "see" some new applications that would otherwise be installed if I were to install straight to unstable?
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05:01<tcsetattr>you could try giving /proc/bus/usb/003/012 as the device name, but that script is designed to work with the old /dev/usb/scanner* driver and I don't have much hope for it being compatible with a recent kernel
05:01<joseph>(sorry for the paragraph)
05:01<ifvoid>joseph: no, you'll get exactly the same system
05:01<joseph>really?
05:01<ifvoid>at least in theory
05:01<ifvoid>yes
05:01<omac>thank you :)
05:01<joseph>Ok next question: Does unstable support amd64?
05:01<ifvoid>joseph: yes
05:01<omac>I'll give it a try.
05:01<omac>right back.
05:01<ifvoid>joseph: no flash and stuff like that though
05:02[~]seanius uses flash and stuff like that on amd6t4 no problem
05:02<ifvoid>uh?
05:02<joseph>does amd64 support games like quake3, WoW via wine, et cetera?
05:02<joseph>(i don't care about flash)
05:02<ifvoid>with firefox in a chroot?
05:02<ifvoid>joseph: nope, nope of those
05:02<seanius>ifvoid: using nspluginwrapper
05:02<ifvoid>seanius: ah
05:02<ifvoid>never used that
05:02<ifvoid>seanius: does it work ok?
05:03<joseph>ifvoid: so if, for example, there is a game that comes out that *natively* runs on linux (like Unreal Tournament 4), it won't work on amd64?
05:03<seanius>ifvoid: i've played games via cedega on amd64 no problem too :)
05:03<ifvoid>joseph: unless the developer also releases a 64-bit version
05:03<tcsetattr>that would depend on whether those Unreal people are smart enough to compile an amd64-linux version
05:03<joseph>hmmmmmmmmmm
05:03<joseph>why does it depend on them?
05:03<seanius>that's not true really
05:03<seanius>only half true
05:04<joseph>i have a vista 64-bit partition and all my 32-bit stuff works seamlessly.
05:04<joseph>why can't linux do that also?
05:04<tcsetattr>because they are assmunches who don't release source code so we can port it to 64-bit ?
05:04<seanius>you can run 32 bit apps from a 64 bit system just fine wrt amd64/i386
05:04<ifvoid>joseph: because microsoft just links everything statically
05:04<seanius>you just need to have the right libraries available
05:04<ifvoid>seanius: in theory yes
05:04<joseph>seanius: seamlessly just like vista?
05:04<ifvoid>seanius: in practice, on a Debian system, you can't
05:05<ifvoid>I think other distributions allow it
05:05<ifvoid>Suse and Redhat
05:05<ifvoid>but I'm not entirely sure
05:05<omac>USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb perl acerfirm.pl 20F8V119.bin seems to have worked.
05:05<seanius>for 2 years or so i've been playing half life 2 from my amd64 system no problem
05:05<ifvoid>seanius: in linux?
05:05<tcsetattr>lucky you, omac :)
05:05<seanius>ifvoid: yes
05:05<ifvoid>hl2 runs in linux?!
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05:06<seanius>the first year i had to do the "set up a chroot" method, but later versions of cedega+debian allow me to run it in the main system
05:06<ifvoid>seanius: how's the performance?
05:07<joseph>too bad
05:07<joseph>I wish it worked like vista......just no problem....install 32-bit anything and it *just works*
05:07<seanius>ifvoid: native or next to native
05:07<ifvoid>joseph: anyway, if you want to run legacy or proprietary apps, and you have 2GB of memory or less, you're best off with a 32-bit linux atm
05:08<joseph>ifvoid: I have 4GB of Crucial Ballistix. I have a very very very nice and expensive computer.
05:08<ifvoid>ah right
05:08<ifvoid>you do want to run an amd64 kernel then indeed
05:08<joseph>yes
05:08<ifvoid>but you might be able to egt away with 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userland
05:08<joseph>but I am curious about whether native linux games will work
05:08<seanius>you can also run an amd64 kernel on a 386 system these days
05:09<joseph>what does 32 bit userland mean?
05:09<ifvoid>joseph: anything that comes with debian will work
05:09<joseph>seanius: what do you mean?
05:09<joseph>ifvoid: yes yes I already know that. anything that comes with debian repositories will work of course.
05:09<seanius>joseph: the "i386 architecture" has 64-bit kernels available iirc
05:09<ifvoid>seanius: no, you'll have to build them yourself
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05:10<joseph>ok. the only thing that i would be worried about would be (1) nvidia 64-bit drivers and (2) various 32-bit only native linux games
05:10<seanius>ifvoid: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6-amd64
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05:10<seanius>joseph: i use nvidia drivers on the laptop i'm writing this from and it's amd64
05:11<ifvoid>seanius: yes, those are obsolete and don't exist in unstable anymore
05:11<seanius>drivers from unstable that is
05:11<joseph>seanius: did you install nvidia.com drivers or did you install "the debian way"
05:11<omac>USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb scanimage -L
05:11<omac>device `snapscan:libusb:003:012' is a Acer FlatbedScanner22 flatbed scanner
05:11<joseph>oh nm
05:11<ifvoid>seanius: hmm
05:11<ifvoid>seanius: although...
05:11<ifvoid>seanius: it seems they do exists
05:12<omac>USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb sane-find-scanner worked
05:12<joseph>this transition period to 64-bit is frustrating!
05:12<tcsetattr>I'm sure it's all working now
05:12<joseph>http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia64_1.0-5336
05:12<joseph>check that out
05:12<valdyn>joseph: thats not for amd64
05:12<joseph>oh yea
05:12<joseph>i see
05:12<joseph>oops
05:13<joseph>http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_100.14.11.html
05:13<joseph>sorry
05:13<omac>USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb xsane &
05:13<omac>[2] 4594
05:13<omac>root@debian:~# [snapscan] Cannot open firmware file /usr/share/sane/snapscan/your-firmwarefile.bin.
05:13<omac>[snapscan] Edit the firmware file entry in snapscan.conf.
05:13<omac>[2]+ Done USB_DEVFS_PATH=/proc/bus/usb xsane
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05:13<joseph>so there is an amd64 nvidia driver
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05:14<seanius>ifvoid: afaict they still exist
05:14<joseph>the only question i suppose is whether or not games built for 32bit would work
05:14<omac>I'm fixing the snapscan.conf with the bin file updated to the latest driver
05:14<seanius>joseph: they work as long as you have the right libraries available
05:14<joseph>seanius: what does that mean? what are the "right" libraries? that sounds like a classic linux mystery story.
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05:15<ifvoid>seanius: yeah, you're right
05:15<seanius>joseph: typically ia32-libs is enough
05:15<ifvoid>seanius: they had been gone for a while, but apparently they're beack again
05:15<joseph>that's beyond my understanding. I don't conceptually understand "libraries" and their relation to 32-bit vs. 64-bit.
05:16<ifvoid>joseph: basically, 32 bit apps need 32bit libraryes, and 64 bit apps need 64-bit libraries
05:16<seanius>joseph: libraries are architecture-specific, you could think of them as part of the running program
05:16<ifvoid>joseph: and the amd64 distribution only comes with 64-bit libraries
05:16<ifvoid>you you can't use 32 apps that need those libraries
05:17<seanius>ifvoid: with the exceptions of ia32-libs and their friends
05:17<ifvoid>yes
05:17<omac>firmware /usr/share/sane/snapscan/20F8V119.bin goes into the /etc/sane.d/snapscan.conf
05:18<omac>That's it that's all...it works :)
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05:19<seanius>joseph: btw are you talking about 32-bit linux applications or 32-bit windows applications when you refer to games
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05:20<seanius>oh
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05:22<omac>gnite thanks a million.
05:23<omac>tcsetattr leet.
05:23<seanius>all that help and he just dissapears :(
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05:24<artur>Good day everybody
05:24<raba>/help list
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05:25<artur>thinking of buying an asus notebook (<=12" screensize)- any thoughts what model would be most hassle-free if I wanted to erase Vista/WinXP and install Debian?
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05:34<Emilien>Hi, I installed php5, php5gd and trying to use jpGraph I've got a missing default font: cour.ttf, courb.ttf (should be located at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/) but the directory is empty. What is the package to install them ?
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05:42<k-man>is there a way to stop ssh from timeing out?
05:43<witte>k-man: isn't there an option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config or /etc/ssh/ssh_config ?
05:43<k-man>yeah
05:43<k-man>there is
05:43<k-man>i also just found this
05:43<k-man>http://nileshbansal.blogspot.com/2007/02/prevent-timeouts-in-ssh.html
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05:46<witte>Emilien: I do not find those fonts (or the package where they should be), what is the exact error
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05:46<Emilien>witte: JpGraph Error Font file "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/courbd.ttf" is not readable or does not exist.
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05:48<witte>Emilien: how did you install jpgraph? using debian packages?
05:48<omac>arghh...
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05:48<Emilien>witte: nop, downloaded it and
05:48<witte>Emilien: the font path specified looks like it is for an old xfree...
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05:49<witte>Emilien: and tehre is also libphp-jpgraph
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05:49<witte>Emilien: that is as a debian package...
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05:49<omac>scanner gets detected, and xsane starts but then when I press the xsane scan button...failed to start scanner: error during device I/O.
05:49<Emilien>I'll take a look
05:50<witte>Emilien: ok, just seen that it is for php4, maybe not usefull for you
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05:51<Emilien>erf
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05:52<Emilien>witte: I downloaded jpGraph and putted it in my htdocs directory
05:52<Emilien>then nothing has been installed with
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05:57<Hate29>Hi, I'm planning to install etch on my old pc which is amd 1400+ and 384ram. Is it enough to run gnome or should I use xfce?
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05:57<witte>Hate29: that will be more than enough, but you can always install both, and see what you like best
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05:59<witte>Emilien: the ttf fonts should be in /usr/share/fonts/truetype i think (at least on my lenny install)
05:59<Hate29>witte: So I can smoothly use internet etc?
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05:59<witte>Emilien: but I can't find where cour.ttf should come from
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06:00<witte>Hate29: yes, that should be no problem.
06:00<Emilien>I searched too and I didn't find
06:00<Emilien>I'll make a symbolic link
06:00<Emilien>to another font ^^
06:00<bliss_>looking for installer with loop-aes enabled no point in altering source.list to upgrade as loop-aes starts during partirionng
06:00<bliss_>partitioning
06:00<Hate29>witte: ok thanks!
06:01<witte>Emilien: did you install msttcorefonts?
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06:01<Emilien>witte: It works ;) I made a symbolic link to a freefont type ;) Thanks for help ^^
06:01<witte>Emilien: ok, good idea ;-)
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06:04<bliss_>! loop-aes
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06:05<bliss_>! tell bliss_ about loop-aes
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06:05<frank>try without blank at the beginning
06:05<witte>!loop-aes
06:05<bliss_>!loop-aes
06:06<james_w>bliss_: what do you want to know about it?
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06:07<schwinn434>hello
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06:08<bliss_>james_w I know its available in the etch installer during partitioning but the maninter a gay called max is away and he has upgraded the installer so it encrypts root home and uaer and swap but not sure where to find it
06:08<bliss_>guy
06:08<james_w>bliss_: it might be in the daily builds of the installer.
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06:09<bliss_>ok which are where please
06:09<bliss_>james_w which are where please
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06:09<frank>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
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06:10<bliss_>frank: thanks
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06:12<internat2>whats the command to be able to rerun xorg config if youve already chagned the file?
06:13<internat2>!xorg
06:13<dpkg>xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode)
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06:14<witte>internat2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:15<simonrvn>internat2: stick toasking in one channel first ;)
06:16<simonrvn>internat2: to asking*
06:16<witte>internat2: but on top of my xorg.conf, this is written: http://pastebin.ca/677836
06:16<webmost>quick question: When I leave my etch idle for a few minutes, it reverts to the login screen. Where do I set that time limit? TIA
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06:20<webmost>good morning
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06:54<frk>bonjour il y a t des francais?
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06:55<james_w>!fr
06:55<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
06:56<frk>hello where is the french channel about debian please
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06:56<frk>thx
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06:58<zulu>do you know if it exist an "external usb host controller" something, which could be pluged on for instance on a usb key containing a running debian and pluged to other "slave usb device"?
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07:07<frog>hi, i'm trying to cross-compile uclinux with kernel 2.4.x and getting this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/677859
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07:09<internat2>stupid question.. whats the regex to say that a part of a string is optional
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07:10<EmleyMoor>How do I tell if any sound is getting into my Line In port?
07:11<petemc>a sound recorder app
07:11<james_w>internat2: a(b)?c
07:11<EmleyMoor>OK - what's a good one that's preferably alsa rather than OSS and supports multiple cards?
07:12<fxiny>wt4x ! armageddon coming : a kernel fix *and* vim++ on saturday !
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07:15<witte>fxiny: I always new that when armageddon would come, it would be related to vi ;-)
07:15<fxiny>witte: heheheh
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07:16<sven>hello all :) somebody maybe knows a good GUI snes emulator or gameboy advance emulator for debian?
07:17<fxiny>witte: i still use vim but since kop told me about mg (ignorance ìs a bliss) i use it less and less ;)
07:19<witte>fxiny: don't know about mg, I use emacs
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07:20<fxiny>witte: i use emacs to but for config or quick editing i use vim . mg is not too bad ;)
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07:21<witte>fxiny: maybe interesting to put on my older and slower machines
07:22<niwt>which kernel should I use on athlon 64 running 32-bit?
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07:23<blekijack>c'è qualche italiano che può risolvere il mio problema?
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07:23<james_w>!it
07:23<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
07:23<blekijack>grazie!
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07:24<EmleyMoor>OK - what's a good multicard sound recorder for alsa?
07:24<niwt>kmix?
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07:25<fxiny>EmleyMoor: never useed but i trust ppl recommending : ecasound
07:25<james_w>sven: aptitude search '~dsnes'
07:25<niwt>oh, recorder - sorry, I'm not awake
07:26<sven>james_w, thank you :)
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07:30<fxiny>what this xxd is supposed to do ? it comes with vim . man says hexdump . wt4x ! bloath on my way !
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07:31<fxiny>is hard to fool tripwire :P
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07:33<fxiny>modified . hmmm . this means i had this xxd since etch install . hmmm
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07:40<EmleyMoor>My TV card sound is coming through my motherboard sound circuit - how do I find where it is on the mixer?
07:40<fxiny>40 more modified files down /etc/alternatives ! wt4x ! i have usa locales ! why there are pl fr ru and it vim man ?
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07:42<niwt>EmleyMoor: adjust controls one at a time in the mixer until you find the right one
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07:44<fxiny>right : vim71 source shows me the same , is not debian fault
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07:46<Neur0n>hi everybody there
07:46<Neur0n>good evening
07:46<Neur0n>I need a piece of help!
07:47<Neur0n>I am just trying to reconfigure my PCMCIA ethernet card (Xircom)
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07:47<Neur0n>I kernel does not recognize it, thought I loaded the modules xirc2ps_cs and pcmcia_core
07:47<Neur0n>dmesg does not find any mistake
07:47<Neur0n>any suggestion?
07:48<fxiny>my religion still holds :P
07:48<sven>fxiny, oh religious? :> cool *g*
07:49<fxiny>sven: why not ? i am a mutt servant on odds days , perl takes all even :P
07:49<sven>fxiny, i see *g*
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07:50<fxiny>sven: :)
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07:50<sven>fxiny, yeah yeah i really have to say i love debian :)
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07:51<sven>and this not only for the OS itself more for the community behind that
07:52<fxiny>i am familiar with vim but hell ! is getting bloathed . i bet will have a vim psychiatrist soon :P
07:52<fxiny>sven: yeahhhh love and peace :)
07:52<sven>i really hate vim so complicated *g* i use editor inside Midnight Commander =p
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07:53<EmleyMoor>I can't find my TV card on the mixer at all
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07:54<fxiny>sven: i don't hate vim : r and dd command for example are pretty handy . but now is too much .
07:54<fxiny>too many versions
07:55<fxiny>it adds to confusion
07:55<sven>lol yeah *g* thats the big problem everyone who wants to write stuff for debian can do that but after all there are so much similiar things out there that you just dont know what to choose :)
07:56<fxiny>i just looked at vim.org sources
07:56<fxiny>debian is ok
07:57<fxiny>i mean : just looked for this xxd and man
07:58<niwt>Neur0n: did you check to see if the modules are really loaded?
07:59<Neur0n>nitiniu, I found the modules with lsmod
07:59<Neur0n>i thing it has more to do with the interfaces
07:59<Neur0n>it does not recongnize today the eth0
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08:09<Zathras>hi. I like the dpkg bot. Which one is it? is it downloadable so I can use it after reconfig on another channel and server?
08:10<Myon>it's a blootbot
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08:10<Myon>though I don't think the database is public
08:10<fxiny>there was a site time ago with dpkg answers
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08:10<fxiny>can't remember
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08:11<Zathras>http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/
08:11<petemc>!your factoids
08:11<dpkg>My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/
08:12<Zathras>I want to use it on a channel about vmware so the actual dpkg database contents is of no interest
08:12<Myon>ah cool
08:12<fxiny>vmware ?
08:12<fxiny>have you red Wenema bugtraq post about vmware ?
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08:13<fxiny>all the windows users running linux on wmware should read it and stop thinking about it
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08:15<fxiny>pretty logical .it reads : "This is a basic but often overlooked principle with virtualization: a virtual machine is no more secure than the platform it runs on"
08:15<k-man>when I do "ping abc" it tries to ping "abc.my.domain.com" where would it be getting my.domain.com from?
08:15<k-man>like, it adds it to the abc that I was trying to ping, and then looks up abc.my.domain.com
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08:16<k-man>but I just want it to lookup abc as that is a windows machine on the local network
08:16<frank>k-man: i guess /etc/resolv.conf some search entry
08:16<niwt>k-man: do you have abc defined in /etc/hosts?
08:16<k-man>ill check
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08:16<k-man>frank, ah! thats it, the search entry
08:16<Nolt>hello
08:16<k-man>do i just get rid of that?
08:17<Nolt>Can anybody tells me how to install nvidia drivers ? i tryied do it by myself but always failure
08:17<gsimmons>!nvidia
08:17<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
08:17<Nolt>tanks
08:17<Nolt>thanks*
08:18<k-man>ok, so thats good, now it fails to lookup abc at all... but abc is a windows machine on my network. I have set up nsswitch.conf to have wins in the host line
08:18<k-man>is there a command to test looking up windows names from the command line?
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08:19<aycko>hi
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08:20<aycko>i just switched from rhythmbox to amarok. but i got sever problems.
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08:20<aycko>seems as if amarok cannot handle ' in file names
08:20<fxiny>xmms2 rulez
08:21<aycko>i like rhytmbox, but it does not support ipod properly
08:21<aycko>then i tried to install gtkpod. this is even worse
08:21<fxiny>the only fly in the ointment is etch version name : "gonzo" :P
08:22<aycko>gtkpod does not even support [öÖüÜß']
08:22<aycko>any fixes except renaming all the files?
08:24<sven>aycko, umlaute xD
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08:24<sven>you forgot ä :)
08:24<aycko_>sven: right i forgot äÄ ;)
08:25<sven>*gg*
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08:25<aycko_>i guess amaroks sql insert statements are messed up, and gtkpod implements itunes behaviour too well ;)
08:27<aycko_>i guess i need some bash action -.-
08:27<gsimmons>Neur0n: What does "/sbin/pccardctl status" tell you? It should state one of your PC Card devices is bound to the xirc2ps_cs driver.
08:27<Neur0n>let's see
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08:28<Neur0n>Socket 0:
08:28<Neur0n>no card
08:28<sven>sadly itunes doesnt work at debian :(
08:28<Neur0n>Socket 1:
08:28<Neur0n>5.0V 16-bit PC Card
08:28<Neur0n>does it sound good?
08:29<Neur0n>at least is connected
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08:29<gsimmons>Neur0n: That's it? Would have expected to see a "Subdevice" line after Socket 1.
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08:30<Neur0n>and what does it mean?
08:31<Neur0n>damaged?
08:31<aycko_>somehow either gtkpod or amarok messed up my directories.
08:31<aycko_>what does it mean if i get:
08:31<aycko_>cd Herbert\ Gr_nemeyer/
08:31<aycko_>bash: cd: Herbert Gr_nemeyer/: No such file or directory
08:31<gsimmons>Neur0n: Damaged? Is there something you're not telling us? :)
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08:31<aycko_>and the Herbert\ Gr_nemeyer is autocompleted with bash?
08:32<Neur0n>If i connect the wireless card it does not show the subdevice neither
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08:32<aycko_>i can change into the directory with cd Herb*
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08:32<Neur0n>gsimmons, I am not sure if my boy played with the laptop yesterdey
08:33<Neur0n>he disconnected suddendly yesterday when playing (1.5 years old)
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08:35<Neur0n>till yesterday everything was working OK
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08:35<gsimmons>Neur0n: Become root, run the commands "pccardctl eject" and "pccardctl insert". Then examine "pccardctl status" again. You'd want to see that a module/driver is bound to your network card.
08:35<Neur0n>ok
08:35<gsimmons>Neur0n: Should that fail, place the card into the other slot, then run the above commands again.
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08:36<Neur0n>ok
08:37<Neur0n>hum...
08:37<gsimmons>Neur0n: Your cardbus controller can at least detect the presence of your card, which is a good sign.
08:37<Neur0n>the same
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08:37<gsimmons>Neur0n: Okay. Remove the network card, and try the same thing with your wireless card.
08:37<Neur0n>ok, the wless card show a led on
08:38<Neur0n>and the message is:
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08:38<Neur0n>socket 1: 3.3V 16-bit PC card
08:39<Neur0n>:S
08:39<aycko_>how can i restore my directories? i guess my inodes got messed up
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08:40<aycko_>i can change into directories, but when i use "ls" i am told the directory does not exist
08:40<gsimmons>Neur0n: Anything relevant appear in dmesg?
08:40<Neur0n>let me see
08:40<Neur0n>nothing with dmesg | grep -i eth
08:41<flavioribeiro>hi, ive installed py3k yesterday. When I type 'python' in console i get the py3k vm, but i want to get the py2.5. I thought that it was a link, but ive created the 'python' link again and didnt worked. any tip?
08:41<gsimmons>Neur0n: No no, just "dmesg | tail -20" or similar.
08:41<Neur0n>ah ok
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08:42<Neur0n>NET: registered protocol family 10
08:42<Neur0n>bla bla bal
08:42<Neur0n>nothing special
08:42<gsimmons>Neur0n: Okay. Certainly don't paste that in here.
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08:43<Neur0n>:)
08:43<Neur0n>I cannot, the laptop is not connected to the net :)
08:44<EmleyMoor>I need something a bit more interactive than ecasound :-(
08:44<Neur0n>I am afraid that the PCMCIA port got damaged some how
08:44<Neur0n>the laptop is very old
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08:45<gsimmons>Neur0n: It is sounding suspiciously like that. You had a working ethernet and wireless connectivity prior to yesterday and now, nothing?
08:45<Neur0n>only ethernet
08:46<Neur0n>I was tempted to try wireless and installed wireless-tools
08:46<Neur0n>checked with iwconfig that the kernel recognized my wireless card
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08:46<Neur0n>and that was all
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08:46<Neur0n>today nothing....
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08:47<gsimmons>Neur0n: You mentioned "disconnected suddenly" earlier. Are we talking a simple unclean filesystem unmounting, or...?
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08:48<Neur0n>no no
08:48<Neur0n>physically disconnected from "the current"
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08:49<Neur0n>the laptop was off because the cable was unplugged and the battery was empty
08:49<Neur0n>but the ethernet cable was ok
08:49<Neur0n>the only thing was that I tried to connect from my office to my server (the laptop) and I could not
08:50<Neur0n>when I arrived home the cable was disconnected
08:50<Neur0n>so, it's remotely possible that the laptop is damaged
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08:53<brew>Hello All, I am trying to get bcm43xx-fwcutter package using apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter in order to get my wireless up. However apt-get says it can't find the package.
08:53<brew>I can do updates fine so I'm connected, and seeing my source. Any help is appreciated.
08:53<sven>brew have you included non-free and contrib packages?
08:53<gsimmons>brew: It's in contrib. Have you amended your sources.list to include contrib sources?
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08:53<sven>gsimmons, first xP
08:53<brew>sven: gsimmons: No I have not.
08:54<brew>How would I go about doing so??
08:54<gsimmons>!contrib
08:54<dpkg>well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
08:54<sven>brew so do its /etc/apt/sources.list :)
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08:54<sven>behind "main" you write contrib and non-free with 1 space between them
08:54<brew>sven: Thank you!
08:55<sven>then apt-get update and then package sources are updated
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08:56<gsimmons>Neur0n: I'd verify that your ethernet PC card is functional within another laptop (if available). If it works there, it's likely something is amiss within your PCMCIA controller.
08:57<Neur0n>ok
08:57<Neur0n>I don't have any other laptop but it's good what you say
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08:57<Neur0n>in the worst of the cases, I could try to install again
08:58<k-man>how do i reload the network configuration after editing /etc/network/interfaces?
08:59<gsimmons>Neur0n: Does "ifconfig -a" display your ethernet interface, when the card is inserted?
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09:00<Neur0n>no
09:00<Neur0n>only lo and sit0
09:01<Neur0n>k-man, just run /etc/init.d/networking restart
09:01<k-man>Neur0n, i did a force-reload
09:01<k-man>but i am connected remotely
09:01<k-man>and i lost my connection
09:02<Neur0n>then I don't know
09:02<k-man>yeah
09:02<k-man>i think i shouldn't have done the force reload
09:02<k-man>oh well
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09:05<brew>sven: it looks like fwcutter tried to get a script from boredklink.googlepages.com and since it didnt' get anything it failed. Any suggestions?
09:05<gsimmons>Neur0n: Yep, that's certainly a problem. The subdevice should immediately be bound to a driver upon insertion.
09:05<sven>uh nope i never tried these pag
09:05<sven>packages*
09:06<sven>brew what exactly did you do?
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09:06<Neur0n>ok gsimmons thank you very much for your help
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09:07<gsimmons>brew: Remove the package, install it again, and respond with "no" when asked if you wish to have firmware downloaded.
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09:08<brew>sven: I altered the list accordingly. I did "apt-get update" things worked fine. I did "apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter" and began to download the package. After pre-configuring it seemed to have failed.
09:08<brew>gsimmons: Sure thing.
09:09<sven>ah okay gsimmons seems to know about this more than i do :)
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09:09<sven>my firmware ipw3945 worked fine without these failures ^^
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09:11<brew>gsimmons: I am trying to remove the package, but when I run the install again, it does not prompt me with the same blue window it did the first time. Do I need to do something else?
09:12<gsimmons>brew: If the package installed successfully (ie. no pre-config errors), that's fine.
09:13<brew>It says this when I try to install "dpkg: error processing bcm43xx-fwcutter (--configure):
09:14<brew>Maybe I have to remove the pre-config some other way?
09:14<ben_goodger>how do I make a pdf from a postscript file?
09:14<gsimmons>brew: "apt-get purge bcm43xx-fwcutter"
09:14<witte>ben_goodger: ps2pdf or pstopdf
09:15<ben_goodger>thanks
09:15<gsimmons>brew: I'm sorry, "apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter"
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09:16<brew>gsimmons: It didn't complain that time. Thank you very much!
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09:16<gsimmons>brew: You're not done yet. :)
09:16<brew>Neat!
09:16<gsimmons>brew: You'd want to acquire <http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o> and run bcm43xx-fwcutter over that file. Place the extracted bcm43xx* files within /lib/firmware
09:16<sven>lol
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09:17<brew>I guess these extracted files are coming from the link you just sent me?
09:17<sven>gsimmons, you have to explain it easier step by step for newbies :)
09:17<brew>I r teh newbz
09:18<brew>I appreciate teh patience though.
09:18<gsimmons>brew: That's correct. It's version 3 device firmware for the bcm43xx driver <http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43>.
09:19<gsimmons>brew: Normally this would have been done all for you, had it not been due to a bug within Etch's 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' package. It's since been fixed in testing.
09:20<brew>hmm I see.
09:20<brew>So I have this file, but I don't really know what it is. Is it a tar.gz?
09:20<brew>it doesn't have much of a suffix to it.
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09:21<lupine>file <filename> might tell you
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09:21<gsimmons>brew: It's a big binary blob. For our purposes, we just want to extract firmware from within this file, which is the purpose of bcm43xx-fwcutter. The firmware files will be saved within the current directory.
09:22<gsimmons>brew: Place those files (bcm43xx_*) within /lib/firmware to continue.
09:22<brew>gsimmons: I hate to newb up your saturday, but how do I go about extracting the files. You said it is a binary, can I just run it somehow?
09:24<gsimmons>brew: You run the bcm43xx-fwcutter program on it. Specifically, you'd want to run "bcm43xx-fwcutter wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o".
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09:26<brew>gsimmons: Okay that seems to have worked correctly (as best I can tell, nothing says error or die.).
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09:27<brew>gsimmons: Is there any other steps I should be aware of in this process?
09:27<EmleyMoor>I am looking for a good, preferably alsa-ready, interactive sound recorder - any recommendations?
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09:28<gsimmons>brew: None that I can think of. Just become root/superuser and move newly-created bcm43xx_* files to /lib/firmware. The relevant firmware will be loaded by the bcm43xx driver when you use the wireless network interface.
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09:29<witte>EmleyMoor: arecord is probably not interactive enough :-)
09:29<Zomb>EmleyMoor: audacity is too bloated?
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09:30<EmleyMoor>audacity seems to be OSS only and not capable of proving what I need to prove
09:30<Zomb>maybe. Why do you need alsa?
09:31<brew>gsimmons: thank you for all the help.
09:31<Zomb>EmleyMoor: oh, and... bullshit! ldd /usr/bin/audacity | grep sound
09:31<Zomb> libasound.so.2 => /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 (0x00002af1a48ee000)
09:31<EmleyMoor>Zomb: Because of the dysfunctionality I am currently seeing with audacity
09:31<gsimmons>brew: np
09:31<EmleyMoor>OK, how do I choose alsa devices?
09:31<Zomb>EmleyMoor: dunno, depends on the application
09:32<Zomb>that's one of the things why ALSA sucks, everything needs extra configuration efforts
09:32<EmleyMoor>No libasound in that output on audacity in etch
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09:32<EmleyMoor>Zomb: The application is audacity - and as I say, it's OSS only in etch
09:33<Zomb>and you cannot record?!
09:33<EmleyMoor>Zomb: I can't be sure that the silent recordings I am making are meant to be silent
09:34<fxiny>EmleyMoor: i prefere rezound to audacity
09:34<aptituz>hi
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09:35<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that doesn't seem to be ALSA either
09:35<james_w>EmleyMoor: doesn't audacity use jack?
09:35<fxiny>i run als
09:35<fxiny>alsa*
09:35<EmleyMoor>What precisely is jack?
09:36<james_w>it is a sound server
09:36<EmleyMoor>The fact I've got two sound cards doesn't really help much
09:36<james_w>aptitude show jackd
09:37<EmleyMoor>I need something that's native ALSA
09:38<brew>gsimmons: Is there anything I need to do to have the wireless card recognized? It doesn't show up during the ifconfig, and I'd hate to as cliche to reboot?
09:39<brew><--can't type...
09:39<brew>and I'd hate to be as clich as to reboot*
09:40<gsimmons>brew: Is the bcm43xx module loaded? ("modprobe bcm43xx") You'd want to be using iwconfig (part of 'wireless-tools' package) also.
09:40<james_w>EmleyMoor: arecord from alsa-utils?
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09:41<EmleyMoor>james_w: I'm looking for something more interactive
09:41<EmleyMoor>You actually have to be able to speak ALSA fluently (which I still can't) to get on with that, it seems
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09:47<EmleyMoor>(surely there must be a native ALSA "click here to choose card" sound recorder in etch)
09:48<james_w>anything more than simple will probably defer to a sound server.
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09:49<EmleyMoor>I suspect someone has switched my wiring around - if not, I have something VERY weird going on
09:49<niwt>EmleyMoor: grecord won't do that?
09:50<EmleyMoor>grecord? What's that?
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09:50<niwt>Gnome 2.0 recorder
09:51<EmleyMoor>And where is it?
09:51<niwt>um, in xfce it's in Apps --> Sound
09:52<EmleyMoor>Apps --> Sound --> ?
09:52<niwt>in the menu
09:52<EmleyMoor>Yes, but what is it called in the menu?
09:52<niwt>grecord
09:52<EmleyMoor>Not listed
09:52<niwt>maybe I added it
09:52<niwt>apt-get install grecord should do it
09:53<niwt>it's very basic
09:53<EmleyMoor>Not available
09:53<niwt>??
09:54<niwt>weird
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09:54<niwt>you're right, it doesn't exist
09:54<niwt>but I have it
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09:54<Scurz_>hi
09:55<moicano>heyyyyyyyyy guyssssssssssssssssssss
09:55<moicano>WS UPPPPPPPPPPP!
09:55<moicano>;]
09:55<moicano>Scurz_ HI
09:56<niwt>in ps ax, it's called gnome-sound-recorder
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09:59<niwt>anyone have any opinions on what kernel to use with athlon 64 running 32-bit?
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10:07<witte>niwt: the amd64 version?
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10:07<witte>!amd64
10:07<dpkg>i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>
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10:09<mattme>!modem
10:09<dpkg>rumour has it, modem is (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck
10:09<mattme>!mwave
10:09<dpkg>mwavem ("MWave Manager") is a package containing modem support software, for the 3780i Mwave/ACP DSP chip found within ThinkPad laptops (600, 600E, 770). If PCMCIA is occupying IRQ 3, add "exclude irq 3" to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts and restart PCMCIA/networking to resolve this conflict. This package is in <non-free> due to no source being available for the DSP software.
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10:09<niwt>I had it running with the amd64 kernel, but I didn't know if that would mess anything up
10:10<witte>niwt: try it (but install also others), and test it
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10:10<witte>niwt: I do not think you can damage your system
10:10<witte>niwt: In the worst case it wont work
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10:12<niwt>thanks, witte
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10:14<witte>niwt: it seems reasonable that you would install the amd64 image when you have an amd64 processor
10:14<witte>:-
10:14<witte>:-)
10:14<niwt>well, that's sort of what I thought, but I wasn't sure if amd64 image was only if running 64-bit os
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10:15<niwt>I wanted one called "K8"
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10:27<gsimmons>brew: No private messages, please.
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10:27<brew>gsimmons: Sorry.
10:28<gsimmons>brew: Were you able to bring up your wireless interface?
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10:28<brew>gsimmons: Yes. It can see my router.
10:29<brew>gsimmons: link quality is 100/100
10:29<brew>gsimmons: but if I unplug my cat5 I lose connection to the router
10:30<brew>gsimmons: ifconfig reveals it is using an inet6 addr, but I'm pretty sure my router is not setup for that.
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10:31<brew>gsimmons: So it appears to be working, the drivers definetaly recognize the wireless card, and the card sees the router. I suppose that means it's not a #debian problem anymore.
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10:33<niwt>time to reboot - bbiab
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10:34<gsimmons>brew: It's more of a routing issue. You're still required to configure /etc/network/interfaces with details regarding the wireless network you wish to use. See /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for an example configuration.
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10:34<BoomSlang>oops...
10:35<brew>gsimmons: ty again
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10:41<sven>gsimmons, lol now thats complicated :) ipw3945 worked much easier and were configurable through the desktop GUI :) i mean with key and network choosing etc.
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10:52<comp03>surabaya
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11:01<paveq>any ideas what package owns stuff in /etc/skel?
11:02<paveq>I just accidentally removed them...
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11:02<argonimion>apt-file could help you
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11:06<james_w>paveq: base-files I expect.
11:06<jakeriver>
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11:06<james_w>paveq: actually not, a package installs files there if it wants.
11:06<james_w>paveq: I only have bash files there.
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11:12<paveq>yep I found them already
11:12<paveq>thanks anyways
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11:26<ths_>can someone help me. i want to play a dvd on debian etch but when i put the dvd in the dvd player the debian can't read the dvd??
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11:27<james_w>!dvd
11:27<dpkg>methinks dvd is use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss, or to burn a dvd check wodim or growisofs.
11:29<ths_>dpkg, how i can install the libdvdcss because when i type: apt-cache search libdvdcss the debian can't find the package
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11:29<witte>!tell ths_ about debian-multimedia
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11:31<ths_>!debian-multimedia.etch
11:31<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root)
11:31<ths_>!apt-key 1F41B907
11:31<dpkg>gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
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11:33<airburn>quit
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11:35<ths_>witte, i have done that what dpkg said but how can i download the debian-multimedia-packages?
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11:36<sven>!ipw3945
11:36<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
11:36<witte>ths_: apt-get update;apt-get install packages
11:37<ths_>witte, but which packages can i download now more then before the entries?
11:37<sven>lol
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11:37<sven>it cant find module ipw3945-modules-2.6.686
11:37<sven>old entry?
11:38<witte>ths_: xine, mplayer, w32codecs, libdvdcss2,..
11:38<witte>ths_: I do not know how to list the new available packages
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11:40<sven>someone has to edit this entry ipw3945-modules-2.6.686 isnt available :)
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11:42<witte>it is in unstable, but he is gone...
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11:54<krlos>hello
11:54<krlos>there are someone who cam helpme with my logitech quickcam communicate stx
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12:01<cahoot>krlos, what model?
12:02<krlos>logitech quickcam communicate stx--- it hax kernel support
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12:02<krlos>and i do that the manuales in google sayme
12:02<krlos>update the module qc-usb with module assistan.. but no work
12:03<krlos>also install the gspa modules... but.. the /dev/deoo no load
12:03<krlos>/dev/video0
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12:04<rick>hello
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12:05<cahoot>krlos, gspca is loaded?
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12:06<lupine>I had to create /dev/video0 manually
12:06<krlos>cahoot: i gonna put the dmesg for usbcore in pastebin.com
12:06<lupine>(I know, udev is meant to handle it, but it didn't for me)
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12:07<krlos>manually... b ut for do it permanetly.. and hoy usb load it
12:08<krlos>cahoot: gspa is loaded
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12:15<krlos>hey plz-... give a hand with my webcam
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12:16<EmleyMoor>Hmmm! gnome-sound-recorder doesn't give me a choice of card
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12:22<krlos>hi
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12:34<isuckatlinux>can anyone help with gdesklets?
12:34<isuckatlinux>can't load new controls, any ideas?
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12:43<wowzer>hello all. Whenever I start up debian, apache-perl runs. I want apache2 to run. I usually just su and manually stop apache-perl and start apache2. How can I set this to run automatically instead of having to do it manually?
12:44<petemc>doesnt apache2 negate the need for apache-perl?
12:44<wowzer>yes...but somehow apache-perl is defaulted as the webserver.
12:44<petemc>remove it..
12:45<EmleyMoor>Short of plugging it into something that can use it, what's a good way of testing a signal cable that should be for line-in?
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12:46<wowzer>was hoping that all I'd need to do is modify a config file to point to the proper webserver.
12:46<petemc>aptitude remove apache-perl
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12:47<petemc>or update-rc.d -f apache-perl remove , if you insist on keeping it
12:47<EmleyMoor>Is there any way to automate the starting of apache2 if it needs a passphrase?
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12:47<petemc>EmleyMoor: if you're thinking about storing the passphrase, why use it at all?
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12:48<EmleyMoor>petemc: I couldn't find a way to enable https without needing one
12:48<petemc>you remove the pass from the ssl cert
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12:49<Moira>Hi
12:49<rparade>Okay.. I've installed Debian Etch (with the default kernel) and for some reason it's only using 1 out of 2GB of RAM.
12:49<rparade>It worked fine before..
12:50<petemc>which kernel?
12:50<rparade>And works fine in Slackware, Windows, everything else..
12:50<petemc>oh, default
12:50<petemc>install a different kernel
12:50<lupine>a -bigmem kernel will do the trick
12:50<rparade>2.6.18-5-486
12:50<petemc>any kernel should work
12:50<petemc>that would be fine
12:50<rparade>originally -4, but i've upgraded through apt.
12:51<lupine>well, the unstable kernel -k7 "just works"
12:51<petemc>rparade: that kernel doesnt see all your ram?
12:51<rparade>last time i did an expert install..
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12:51<rparade>this time i just went the easy route :P
12:51<pumpkin0>486 ? Do you have a intel or a amd CPU ?
12:51<rparade>Nope, it sure doesn't.. :(
12:51<Moira>How or where can I get the version number of the Debian Version i installed ?
12:51<rparade>It only uses 1GB.
12:51<lupine>MemTotal: 1556232 kB
12:52<james_w>Moira: cat /etc/debian_version though it's not entirely reliable.
12:52<rparade>It worked when I used a different kernel.. An SMP kernel, I think..
12:52<rparade>But it's intel-based and I'm an AMD fanboy.
12:52<lupine>they're all SMP these days
12:52<pumpkin0>rparade: what CPU do you have ?
12:52<rparade>Athlon64 3200+
12:52<pumpkin0>rparade: install a k7 kernel, not a 486.
12:52<lupine>that should be running a k7 if you're in 32-bit mode, or an amd64 in 64-bit mode
12:53<Moira>james_w: I only get a "Debian Linux powered by [BLABLA]" .... exactly this is my problem ^^
12:53<rparade>Alright.. Thanks guys. I'll try that.
12:53<pumpkin0>Moira: where did you get your copy from ?
12:53<Moira>It's a V-Server ...
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12:53<lupine>Moira: assuming you're up-to-date, "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | cut -d ' ' -f 3" will tell you
12:54<Moira>ah thanks ...
12:54<fxiny>wowzer : do you want to run both apache and apache2 ?
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12:55<wowzer>fxiny- no. Just wanted Apache2. What would be the benefit of having apache and apache2 running?
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12:55<lupine>none at all
12:55<wowzer>btw- petemc, thanks...it works as advertised! ;-)
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12:56<wowzer>removed apache-perl and apache2 started automatically. Just curious, but how did the OS know that I wanted apache2 to startup automatically?
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12:56<miksuh>Moira: well if you installed etch, it's 4.0
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12:57<fxiny>wowzer: no benefit . is apache listen to 80 you must stop it or set apache2 to listent to 81 . apache2 will start by setting set NO_START to 0 in /etc/default/apache2.
12:57<Moira>i try later, thx for your help ..
12:57<fxiny>s/is/if
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12:59<james_w>wowzer: it was probably trying to start before, but failing as port 80 was already bound by apache-perl
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13:02<wowzer>james_w - ah...yes. I did remember running across that while reading the logs.
13:03<wowzer>fxiny- thanks for the info. I'll keep that in LTM in case I need it one day.
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13:09<fxiny>wowzer: np . strange you did not get a warning message whith a full explanation at install
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13:11<jaggy>hi all can i ask here about dreamlinux ? :s
13:11<jaggy>i dont find any other irc
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13:12<swatikiss>i am trying to ssh into my computer - but the connection keeps being refused
13:13<petemc>ssh is running?
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13:13<Xinax>hi
13:13<swatikiss>petemc, not sure
13:13<Xinax>max@Cartman ~/sbnc/users $ cat fex.conf | grep user.ip
13:13<Xinax>user.ip=spanks.bitches
13:13<Xinax>max@Cartman ~/sbnc/users $
13:13<Xinax>what does that do?
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13:14<fxiny>it trigger my wow signal power array detector :P
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13:14<swatikiss>petemc, how do i turn on ssh ?
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13:14<slam>swatikiss: /etc/init.d/sshd start
13:15<fxiny>is it installed ?
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13:15<swatikiss>slam, no such file or directory
13:15<james_w>it's /etc/init.d/ssh start
13:15<slam>swatikiss: install it
13:15<swatikiss>install what package?
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13:16<james_w>swatikiss: openssh-server
13:16<swatikiss>k - thanks!
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13:18<RoEn_>Hello Debianer :)
13:19<slam>hell RoEn_
13:19<RoEn_>hi slam :)
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13:20<johnon> hi.i have a question: i would like to find files using command 'find' but i would like to find only files not directories?any idea?
13:20<weasel>-type f
13:20<slam>so, who has the official news about virtualbox?
13:21<johnon>hi.i have a question: i would like to find files using command 'find' but i would like to find only files not directories?any idea?
13:21<weasel>-type f
13:22<johnon>can anyone help me?
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13:28<junio>Hi all! I have msg "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" using apt-get. What´s problem?
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13:28<james_w>!mmap
13:28<dpkg>it has been said that dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need
13:28<aslag>I just installed debian via netinstall; how do I configure apt-get to not look for cds?
13:29<james_w>aslag: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cd lines.
13:29<junio>james_w: thanks!
13:29<aslag>james_w: thanks.
13:31<aslag>if I want to configure and compile a kernel, what reason is there to use debian sources instead of a set from kernel.org?
13:31<james_w>aslag: not that much nowadays.
13:32<james_w>saying that you might as well use the debian sources for the same reason.
13:32<chealer>aslag: for one thing, it's easier
13:32<james_w>why would you like to use kernel.org ones?
13:33<aslag>james_w: I am going to apply the suspend2 patch and figured it might go more smoothly with kernel.org sources
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13:34<slam>aslag: kernel.org sources are simply the source
13:34<james_w>aslag: yes, it might.
13:35<slam>aslag: debian kernel people might add patches which might not play well with the patches you apply
13:35<aslag>slam: such as ...
13:35<slam>aslag: but usually they add usefull stuff
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13:36<aslag>slam: what am I missing out on if I don't use debian sources ?
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13:36<slam>aslag: you miss out the work of the debian kernel people
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13:36<tyler>ello peeps
13:36<slam>aslag: that might or might not be relevant to you
13:37<tyler>neva been to this network
13:37<aslag>slam: things like ...
13:37<slam>aslag: i am not member of that club - please ask them directly
13:38<tyler>ubuntu rocks
13:38<tyler>:)
13:38<tyler>see ya's
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13:38<slam>aslag: my club is sidux, where we do our own patched kernel from original sources
13:38<james_w>aslag: the differences are minimal, so it works both ways, you won't be missing out on much, but at the same time there is little chance of conflict with the suspend2 patch.
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13:39<EmleyMoor>My sound hardware is recording in very poor quality!
13:39<slam>aslag: suspend2 is a special case, why do you think you really need it?
13:39<EmleyMoor>My second sound card used to record OK - it now doesn't record at all
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13:39<EmleyMoor>My main one sounds tinny!
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13:41<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to record in 16 bit now - 32 bit before
13:41<aslag>is good package management the only reason to use a distro like debian over a distro like slackware?
13:42<EmleyMoor>No - it still sounds horrible!
13:42<slam>aslag: one of the main reasons - yes
13:42<chealer>aslag: no
13:42<slam>aslag: together with the fine community
13:42<aslag>chealer: what else does a more robust distro offer? I suppose security updates, eh?
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13:42<slam>aslag: and the exceptional security
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13:43<EmleyMoor>What's a good sound card that would be good for 2-channel (stereo) recording?
13:43<EmleyMoor>(it looks like I need a new one)
13:43<marlin>edirol ua-25 ?
13:43<EmleyMoor>Also, why is my on-board one so tinny?
13:43<marlin>EmleyMoor Edirol UA-25 works for me
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13:44<EmleyMoor>marlin: Any idea where I can get one?
13:45<marlin>EmleyMoor I got mine at SoundControl because I know one of the staff :)
13:45<chealer>aslag: actually, what do you mean by "like slackware"?
13:45<junio>!jre
13:45<dpkg>rumour has it, jre is adding 'deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody main non-free' to your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get install j2re1.3 or deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody main non-free, or see blackdown.org for the latest status. Yes, this works on potato and sid too, even though it says woody BTW: Java Runtime Environment.
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13:46<EmleyMoor>It's a hell of a price!
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13:46<james_w>junio: that's well out of date
13:46<marlin>EmleyMoor you asked for a good one, i use mine for streaming
13:47<aslag>chealer: good question .. . I think something kind of bare and requiring a lot of configuration. I like that slackware is clean and uncluttered and it makes me think I can get a system the way I want it without a distro imposing its organization on me or misconfiguring my stuff
13:47<EmleyMoor>I just want something that can record a 2-channel line in without sounding like it's in the bathroom next door
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13:48<marlin>well just try it out and if it doesnt work them i dont no?
13:48<junio>james_w: hmm... ok.
13:48<brew>Hello, I have a soft-link on my desktop to firefox and every time I double click on it, it asks if it should "Display the contents" or "run" the text file, is there anyway to just make it run automatically?
13:48<junio>Any body have reference about Jre in Etch?
13:48<EmleyMoor>I used to use a perfectly ordinary SB PCI 128 for this
13:48<james_w>EmleyMoor: m-audio 24/96?
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13:49<brew>Any help is appreciated.
13:49<james_w>junio: sun-java5-jre
13:49<junio>james_w: thks again!
13:49<EmleyMoor>james_w: Does that work well in Debian? What driver does it use?
13:49<aslag>chealer: (I just abandoned my gentoo installation and installed debian after using gentoo for 3 or 4 years; the setup program has made some dumb mistakes on my thinkpad and I'm gonna have to weasel it to get it to work properly, so I'm wondering if using something like slackware wouldn't be more efficient at this point)
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13:50<james_w>EmleyMoor: some alsa driver that I don't remember the name of (ice something I think). I don't have one, but they are meant to be reasonable.
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13:50<EmleyMoor>OK - well, assuming I don't manage to get the SB working again, I will order one... the SB owes me nothing anyway
13:52<marlin>ok.
13:52<marlin> :-D
13:53<PC>HI,it`s my first time into the world of Debian. I went to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/
13:53<PC>there is 3DVDs to download.
13:53<PC>should i download all of them?
13:53<chealer>aslag: I don't see much relation between "less robust" and what you just wrote about slackware.
13:53<chealer>PC: as you want
13:53<marlin>what is the best music program for linix?
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13:53<james_w>PC: you only need the first
13:53<PC>whats the different
13:53<chealer>marlin: an audio player?
13:54<miksuh>PC: tou could also download just netinst cd
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13:54<aslag>chealer: nevermind then, it doesn't matter
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13:54<marlin>what is the best audio player for linix?
13:54<james_w>PC: the second and third just contain more packages, you can download them individually later when you need them.
13:54<miksuh>PC: it's small cd image which just starts installer. installer then downloads everything else from internet
13:55<chealer>marlin: probably Amarok.
13:55<miksuh>you=you
13:55<miksuh>tou=you
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13:56<marlin>chealer: thanks
13:56<PC>i know. but i couldn`t keep online while installing. so i need download a edition can install offline
13:56<miksuh>ah, ok
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13:57<chealer>PC: if you're installing on a machine without Internet, you get more software with the 3 DVD-s.
13:57<PC>CD 1st and DVD 1st is good for me?
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13:57<chealer>PC: either one, yes
13:57<PC>ok. thank you all..
13:58<PC>chealer and james_w and miksuh.......thanks a lot
13:58<jaggy>hi can anyone help me whit installing Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Conne ction (rev 02)
13:58<jaggy>on dreamlinux
13:58<chealer>!tell jaggy about based on debian
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13:59<jaggy>srry :§ but i dont knw where else to ask :(§
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14:00<marlin>what is the best and easyist audio player for linix?
14:00<EmleyMoor>marlin: What kind of thing do you want to play?
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14:02<EmleyMoor>My sound card has green, black and red connectors... which is Line-in?
14:02<chealer>marlin: ask #linix
14:04<miksuh>marlin: Can't say which is the best, but I like Rythmbox, Amarok and Banshee
14:04<miksuh>I mostly use Rythmbox
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14:05<fxiny>i am totally addicted to xmms2 cli . rehab is still closed :P
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14:05<miksuh>Rhythmbox
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14:05<miksuh>I always make typos when I try to write that :)
14:06<james_w>EmleyMoor: red usually.
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14:06<EmleyMoor>james_w: So black would be Microphone?
14:06<james_w>wouldn't you just use line-in for that?
14:07<EmleyMoor>No - they are definitely different on this card
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14:08<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... closest manual I have found says black is line in
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14:09<EmleyMoor>The card has obviously had it
14:09<brew>Hello can I use apt-get install to get the POE perl library?
14:09<brew>I'm not seeing any explicit package for it.
14:10<brew>But there is a number of perl components. Should I assume it will get the dependancies required?
14:10<james_w>brew: libpoe-perl?
14:10<EmleyMoor>Hang on, I think I have a similar card in my old Windows box (disused)
14:10<brew>james_w: ...yeah that's the one TY!
14:10<james_w>brew: and then libpoe-component-* that I can guess you can install as you need.
14:10<ifvoid>brew: all perl modules are named like that
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14:11<james_w>brew: aptitude search libpoe for everything related.
14:11<ifvoid>brew: so Foo::Bar becomes libfoo-bar-perl
14:12<brew>I see.
14:12<brew>This is good to know.
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14:12<brew>(I'm just getting started in linux/deb, prior I just used active state perl... I know your cringing right now)
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14:13<slam>brew: welcome - you will like it here
14:13<EmleyMoor>I have indeed got another similar card - not totally identical and I am in no position to swap it now but I will try that before I order a 2496
14:14<brew>slam: ty, I hope I can get the hang of things.
14:15<slam>brew: you definitely will - debian is paradise
14:15<fxiny>true
14:15<EmleyMoor>It's in a machine which is redundant - but last time I used it, it worked
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14:16<EmleyMoor>When my backup is over (likely tomorrow), I will swap the card
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14:53<webtech_m33>anyone play with ircd-hybrid ??
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15:04<krlos>junio: hi.. my problem is about hosyting
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15:04<krlos>junio: i have a litle net in my work...
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15:04<junio>krlos: ok. Write to all here.
15:05<krlos>i has a dns server with public access... but I installa new host... but it has a private ip just for my private network
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15:05<krlos>i want to ge access to this host
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15:05<krlos>give public access for my private host
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15:06<krlos>it is only accessed from my private network
15:06<krlos>how can do it
15:06<Stephim>Hi... I just want to know if we can install quicktime on the Linux platform ?
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15:09<krlos>junio: do u readme
15:09<stroyan>Stephim: mplayer can handle at least some quicktime movies. sudo apt-get install mplayer
15:09<junio>krlos: yeap!
15:10<stroyan>krlos: What kind of access do you want to the host? ssh? http? other?
15:11<krlos>just for the hosting
15:11<krlos>no more
15:11<krlos>http
15:12<krlos>i put in the dns webcam in 192.168.1.25... but it is a private ip
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15:12<Stephim>ok thanks stroyan
15:13<Stephim>stroyan and how to make a quictime movie ?
15:13<krlos>if you do a ping to webcam.iais.biz this ping return 192.168.1.25 ...
15:13<krlos>but it is a up private
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15:13<krlos>how i can for see this page
15:13<petemc>krlos: you would need to find out your real ip, then point the dns at that
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15:14<petemc>and you would need to forward port 80 from your gateway device to 192.168.1.25
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15:15<petemc>krlos: if that ip is dynamic, ie: you're on a residential adsl connection, you would probably want to look at dyndns or some such
15:15<krlos>not exactle
15:15<krlos>the real ip por my network is 200.60.194.81
15:15<stroyan>Stephim: mplayer will convert between formats. I have never created quicktime movies myself.
15:16<petemc>krlos: so fix the dns so it points at that rather than 192.168.1.25
15:16<krlos>but how can i do it
15:16<krlos>yeah iput in te dns webcam in a 192.168.1.25, but it is not a public ip
15:17<petemc>right, so that wont work
15:17<krlos>then
15:17<petemc>see above
15:17<petemc>you would need to ensure your gateway device can do port forwarding, too
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15:17<krlos>i see
15:17<krlos>yes
15:17<krlos>i going to try}
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15:18<krlos>the dns forward for my pc
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15:18<krlos>you mean instal dns in my host with private ip.. o just a forwar for it
15:19<stroyan>krlos: Is your gateway device a linux system? Or some small router/modem?
15:19<krlos>in the dns machine
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15:19<krlos>linux system
15:19<stroyan>krlos: You could use netcat on the gateway system to forward a port to the internal host.
15:20<krlos>thanks
15:20<krlos>i gong to try}
15:20<junio>krlos: :-)
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15:23<padski>what is right kernel for a pxa270 ?
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15:40<witte>padski: grep -i pxa /boot/config-2.6.22-1-686 shows # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_PXA2XX is not set
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15:40<witte>padski: this means if you need this (i do not know what pxa270 is), you need to recompile the kernel
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15:41<padski>witte: thanks. pxa270 is an arm cpu. I think I have it figured which one now :-)
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15:42<witte>padski: ok, than it is certainly not the thing I mentioned earlier :-)
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15:46<stroyan>padski: It looks like the interesting question is ARM or ARM EABI. http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
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15:47<padski>stroyan: already decided. armel. I'm aiming to run a gnustep app, and gnustep is a little bit floating point happy.
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15:48<padski>the main distro for this machine is angstrom based, but I have a 2G card in there so I see little reason not to run debian
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16:06<jonathan>identify jonathan
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16:07<petemc>if that was his password than its probably not such a big deal he did it into the channel
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16:12<lupine>petemc: let's see if he uses the same on his ssh server ;)
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16:13<petemc>tsk tsk..
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16:18<lupine>oO
16:18<lupine>someone lieks caek
16:18<lupine>;)
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16:48<gonzaga>Tem algum brasileiro no canal?
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16:49<gonzaga>Exists anybody brazilian in the chanel?
16:49<petemc>!br
16:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:58<bigbrother>hi
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16:58<bigbrother>est kto?
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16:59<bigbrother>HI
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17:01<stoned> hi
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17:01<internat2>anyone know of a good duplicate finder program for linux?
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17:04<tcsetattr>duplicate what?
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17:04<internat2>files
17:04<internat2>but not nessesarly with the same name
17:04<tcsetattr>md5sum?
17:04<tcsetattr>cmp?
17:04<internat2>that would be the long way of doing it
17:04<internat2>i was hoping for a tool that would do most of that for me :P
17:05<jazotic>fdupes
17:05<internat2>perdy
17:06<tcsetattr>apt-cache search duplicate finds several similar things.
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17:20<flami>Hi anyone have a tutorial about rsync ? I want to update a jail . so i just want it to check the files tat are in there and then look if on "/" there is a newer version
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17:22<petemc>--dry-run might be what you're after
17:23<petemc>isnt jail a freebsd thing?
17:24<jhice>hi there. got a problem with logrotate / I add a logrotate for postfix so that it logs xxx.log xxx.log.1 xxx.log.2 etc
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17:24<jhice>but the logger continues to log in xxx.log.1 instead of xxx.log / even after restart postfix, any idea ?
17:24<padski>flami: I always read the man page for rsync. it is good.
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17:25<flami>Oh ok
17:25<flami>ill have a look
17:25<padski>flami: I know it sounds like rtfm, but really it is unusally good :-)
17:25<jhice>i'll do the same, eh ^^
17:26<petemc>jhice: to clarify, you want to adjust what the default install of postfix does wrt logrotate?
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17:27<jhice>petemc: yes, ie no rotate at all in my case
17:27<petemc>that doesnt sound right..
17:27<junio>Is lenny version good for use?
17:27<petemc>i dont use postfix, but it would seem highly unsual that a daemon would log into foo.1..
17:27<jhice>petemc: i have a log of 500 Mb...
17:28<jhice>postfix.log / yes seems unusual
17:28<petemc>jhice: using a default install of postfix?
17:28<padski>jhice: after a reboot ? ;-)
17:28<jhice>petemc: dont know :) a friend did the install
17:28<petemc>i would hazard a guess that he installed it outside of the the packaging system
17:28<jhice>padski: no way :D
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17:29<padski>it sounds like there is a filehandle staying open. is there more than one postfix daemon ?
17:29<jhice>petemc: possible, becoz aliases are in /etc/aliases instead of /etc/postfix/aliases
17:30<padski>shouldn't that be a symlink
17:30<padski>to /etc/aliases ?
17:30<petemc>jhice: i would suggest you look in /etc/logrotate.d/ , pick a file, copy it and adjust it to rotate whatever log postfix is using
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17:30<jhice>padski: i look... there are : postifd and its chilp processes
17:31<jhice>-postifd +postfix
17:31<petemc>jhice: it might also be an idea to think about transitioning back to postfix installed via the packaging system
17:31<jhice>padski: no a real file
17:31<jhice>petemc: i did a copy of a file in logrotate.d
17:32<jhice>a fresh install yes
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17:32<petemc>the beauty of debian is you generally dont need to think about these things
17:33<petemc>the same goes for any distro, admittedly
17:33<jhice>it should help ^^ becoz of i begin linux admin i was a bit "cold" about reinstalling
17:33<padski>!unix lessons
17:33<dpkg>from memory, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be
17:33<padski>no. 5
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17:33<jhice>okay
17:33<padski>:-)
17:33<jhice>:)
17:33<jhice>my friend told me a lot of times "use man"
17:34<padski>surely "man man"
17:34<padski>;-)
17:34<jhice>the common answer to my questions was "man" ^^
17:34<jhice>of course
17:34<petemc>the older you get, the more you learn how unreliable people can be
17:34<tcsetattr>and the 12th commandment... "rm is forever"
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17:35<internat2>maybe i should redefine what i mean.. yes a something that finds duplicates via md5sum is nice, but im also think i need something that does filename simularities
17:35<petemc>fslint?
17:36<jhice>ok i'll try guyez thx
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17:39<padski>jhice: you can always ask for more help here if you need it
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17:40<internat2>yeah i looked at fslint.
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17:41<jhice>ok padski, thx / i'm in the french channel right now
17:41<padski>:-)
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17:43<padski>internat2: what is a similarity ?
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17:44<padski>how do you measure how similar two filenames are ? soundex ??
17:45<tcsetattr>libstring-approx-perl - Perl extension for approximate matching (fuzzy matching)
17:45<padski>nice
17:46<padski>handles utf8 too I expect
17:46<padski>?
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17:47<tcsetattr>I don't see tools using it though
17:47<tcsetattr>its rdepends are basically nothing
17:48<petemc>would the fuzzyocr sa plugin use it?
17:48<petemc>that was useful for a few days..
17:48<jhice>petmec, padski: it's (almost) ok now, there was a file handling as you suppose, if find the logger daemon with the help of ptitlouis ;)
17:48<padski>petemc: lol
17:48<jhice>-if +i
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17:49<padski>jhice: debian postfix installs with the aliases file at /etc/aliases. I'll bet if you look this is FHS compliant (FWIW)
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17:51<jhice>padski: oO
17:51<paulcager>Setting up LDAP authentication... Many web tutorials to choose from. Any recommendations (running etch / testing)
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17:53<padski>how is this for fuzzy matching ... (from a conversation going on here) "movie about a runner 'shoes of glory'" chariots of fire
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17:56<yaark>bonsoir
17:58<padski>paulcager: dunno, but there is an ldap page in wiki.debian.org
17:58<yaark>quelqu'un utilise conky ?
17:58<padski>!fr
17:58<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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18:01<paulcager>padski: Thanks. Some other tutorials contradict it, but it's probably the best available.
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18:02<padski>paulcager: what is the point(s) at issue, perhaps folk here can clarify or give opinions
18:02<petemc>paulcager: you should try and correspond stuff if how tos with the docs in /usr/share/doc/
18:02<petemc>s/if/in/
18:03<padski>file tells me a kernel image is "data"
18:04<padski>:-(
18:04<paulcager>padski,petemc: Differences mainly in PAM config. I think I'll wipe it and start again (making notes, this time...)
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18:06<padski>paulcager: I wouldn't have thought there would be very much room for philosophy in PAM config, although even there some variation is possible. reckon you'll get there in the end :-)
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18:09<petemc>i was offered a paid job to set up a single sign on system that authed against various active directory controllers, after looking at pam_ccreds and nss_updatedb, i passed
18:09<padski>lol
18:10<petemc>i dont doubt it works well, but i could get my wee brain around it all
18:10<paulcager>I'm doomed.
18:11<petemc>thats kerberos stuff, rather than ldap, but still scary
18:11<padski>truth is that the further out into tech you get, the less is actually does work.
18:11<padski>try ssl between exchange and sendmail
18:11<padski>that ought to be easy by comparison, yes ?
18:12<petemc>i use exim as a gateway to exchange, dont bother with ssl
18:13<petemc>i have noticed i cant troubleshoot ssl connections to exchange with openssl s_client..
18:13<padski>yeah, we figure out the right ways. often they consist of caging the proprietary systems safely :-)
18:13<petemc>gives all sort of odd errors
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18:14<padski>its a technological combination that sounds harmless enough, but it seems that the truth is that noone cares, and everybody knows not to go there because of that :-)
18:15<padski>the ldap thing could be a different story, but I'm horribly skeptical about survivors from iso ...
18:15[~]Requiem mutters and curses.
18:16<padski>lol
18:16<Requiem>How the heck does Linksys get off making a GPLed firmware and then requiring IE to flash it?
18:16<g6o31>hello world
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18:17<g6o31>did anyone still create a custom debian iso ?
18:17<padski>Requiem: the NSA told me to do it ;-)
18:18<padski>oops, I'm stuck in my initrd :-)
18:18<g6o31>lol padski
18:18<Requiem>g6o31: There are custome ones out there
18:18<petemc>g6o31: checked the wiki?
18:18<Requiem>and I saw a guide to making one somewhere
18:18<petemc>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD
18:19<g6o31>yes i'm read it ! thks ! i'm trying to rebuild the debianinstaller to force partition size...
18:19<g6o31>and customize the install but ..
18:20<petemc>g6o31: can you do that with preseeding?
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18:20<g6o31>yes i could, it could be the easiest way :p
18:21<g6o31>but i want to restrict choises during the install by custommising the debinstaller and debootstrap..
18:22<g6o31>petemc, you talk about a wiki ?
18:22<petemc>the debian wiki, aye
18:22<g6o31>lol
18:23<petemc>i cant help further than that, i made woody boot floppies years ago..
18:23<g6o31>i've alreadyl read them !
18:23<g6o31>ok petemc , thks for answering :)
18:24<petemc>http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt
18:24<paulcager>g6o31: Have you tried #debian-cd?
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18:25<g6o31>yes i've tried :)
18:26<g6o31>i try again
18:26<g6o31>thks for support paulcager
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18:27<padski>g6o31: I went through the SimpleCDD thing recently, but didn't get much further. it was pretty cool though :-)
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18:30<g6o31>ok padski, i'm trying to build this custom iso by modifing directly debianinstaller and debootstrap : to tune my install cd
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18:31<arghh2D2>I'm p!ssed off ubuntu! I shouldnt run the "update manager" and expect it to rewrite my grub menu to exclude my windows partition. Anybody explain that one???
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18:32<petemc>arghh2D2: try asking #ubuntu on freenode
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18:33<padski>arghh2D2: but if it is like the debian grub menu.lst there are magic comments and the windows section need to be outside them.
18:33<flami>jebus rtfm for rsync really helps :P
18:33<flami>well good night
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18:43<jhice>gn8 there and thx ;)
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18:53<EmleyMoor>.quit
18:54<EmleyMoor>Damned finger
18:54<EmleyMoor>s
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19:07<sven>how to install ntp-support and how to start this daemon? never did that before and i dont know what package is needed :)
19:08<g6o31>apt-get install ntp
19:08<g6o31>read /usr/doc/ntp/...
19:08<sven>and how to start it? :)
19:08<sven>want to use it through the gui system inside Gnome
19:08<g6o31>configure /etc/ntpd.conf and start the daemon : /etc/init.d/ntp start
19:08<sven>thank you :)
19:09<g6o31>sorry don't know about gui ;)
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19:10<sven>um yeah o.o it auto started ntp daemon after installing and was resetting X :)
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19:11<sven>thank you for help then with ntp for saying me the right package :)
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19:14<junio>How I do to "Install Debian on a prototype system"?
19:15<mehul>How does one change the window manager in GNOME ? I'd like to use sawfish.
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19:17<petemc>ive used a mac for the past two years, but you used to do that gconf-editor
19:17<petemc>junio: what kind of prototype?
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19:19<junio>petemc: I don´t know. I just reading http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD
19:19<petemc>junio: so what kind of answer are you expecting?
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19:21<mehul>petemc: the gconf stuff says its a deprecated method, which means there must be some other way to do it.
19:21<junio>petemc: What is a prototype system? :-)
19:21<petemc>junio: look prototype up in the dictionary
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19:22<junio>petemc: hmm... tks :-)
19:22<petemc>mehul: ah, right, i did say my knowledge was old..
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19:24<junio>petemc: yeap!!! I understanding now!! :-)
19:25<petemc>good stuff
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19:27<mehul>petemc: yeah you did say your knowledge is old :)
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19:30<mehul>Anyone using wireless on a laptop ? I've got it working, both at home and work, but have the problem where the connection keeps getting dropped every now and then (I'd say about twice per hour approximately) and was wondering what I can do to solve this.
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19:34<dli>mehul, weak signal? or buggy driver
19:35<mehul>no signal strength is excellent.
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19:36<dli>mehul, what card?
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19:37<mehul>It uses the Atheros chipset, so madwifi drivers (IBM ThinkPad T60).
19:37<mehul>dli: How do I get what the card is ? lspci ?
19:38<dli>mehul, yes, lspci|grep -i net
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19:38<kurumin>opi
19:38<kurumin>iu
19:38<kurumin>iiui
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19:39<mehul>dli: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)
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19:41<dli>mehul, read this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
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19:42<dli>mehul, and this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38972
19:44<jazotic>mehul: pcmcia? work's nice here - latest from http://snapshots.madwifi.org/madwifi-ng/ and 0.9.x works right too. what encryption?
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19:44<mehul>dli: thanks for the link. looking at it now.
19:45<mehul>jazotic: at home it is just simple WPA and hidden SSID.
19:45<mehul>jazotic: its not pcmcia, its builtin.
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19:46<jazotic>hmm. maybe try a later revision. there are some bugs about loosing connectivity described at madwifi.org IIRC or just ask at #madwifi
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21:33<zamolxes>hi. I installed a bunch of packages on this box, and the downloaded debs are still cached in /var/cache/apt/archives. I have an identical box with no internet access, that needs to be set up identically. Is it enough to just copy the cached debs on the second box? If not, what else can I do? I thought of creating a copy of the etch repo with debmirror but it's taking ages . thanks
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21:37<tcsetattr>if you copy them to /var/cache/apt/archives on the other machine, and the sources.list is the same, apt will find them in the cache and you'll be able to apt-get install those packages without downloading
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21:38<zamolxes>tcsetattr: so only /var/cache/apt/archives/ and sources.list should be identical? thanks
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21:43<tcsetattr>you can transport the list with dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections
21:55<zamolxes>ah, great
21:55<zamolxes>thanks
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22:03<bsnl>hai
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23:02<Gitch>I'm trying to figure out the smartest way to install Etch onto my machine. I use a Linksys WMP54GS Wifi card as my primary NIC and it needs the bcm43xx-fwcutter package to extract the drivers in order to work under any form of Linux
23:02<HarryH>Has anyone got CPAN working on etch?
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23:05<HarryH>How does one install perl modules with apt-get?
23:06<blarson>HarryH: apt-get install <package>
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23:07<blarson>HarryH: where <package> is usually lib<whever>-perl
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23:08<HarryH>OK, so I'm trying to install HTML::TreeBuilder and Time::Local
23:08<HarryH>So, is it apt-get install libhtml-perl?
23:08<HarryH>Because I can't find it :(
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23:09<Gitch>does CPAN not work?
23:09<HarryH>No, I usually use CPAN.
23:09<blarson>HarryH: libtime-local-perl and libhtml-tree-perl exist in sid.
23:10<HarryH>I feel lost without CPAN and while it worked fine with sarge, it gives only errors for me under etch: such as ""Can't ioctl TIOCGETP: Invalid argument"
23:11<chealer>HarryH: no. there's no libhtml-perl package.
23:11<HarryH>Is there a mapping from CPAN names to Debian package names maintained anywhere?
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23:12<HarryH>Can't find libtime-local-perl
23:12<HarryH> :(
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23:13<HarryH>Do I have to change my sources.list to access libtime-local-perl?
23:14<chealer>HarryH: yes
23:14<chealer>HarryH: unless you want to download it without APT
23:14<tcsetattr>Time::Local is part of the core distribution (perl-modules*.deb)
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23:17<HarryH>OK, rechecking out my perl scripts...thanks for the help. Still, is there any sort of way to know what perl modules have been mapped to debian modules?
23:18<tcsetattr>for modules that are distributed alone, change the :: to - and lowercase everything, then put lib on the fron and -perl on the end.
23:18<tcsetattr>packages that have multiple modules in them, you have to apt-cache search or guess.
23:19<HarryH>OK.
23:19<HarryH>Thanks so mcuh for the help!
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23:46<ThisIsATest1234>hello all :)
23:46<ThisIsATest1234>how are you doing?
23:46<dpkg>ThisIsATest1234: you know how it is...
23:47<ThisIsATest1234>yeah sure I do know!! ;)
23:47<ThisIsATest1234>cool my jabber is working !!!
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23:49<ThisIsATest1234>someone say something please
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23:52<jahm>hello
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23:56<ThisIsATest1234>bye
23:56<ThisIsATest1234>got to leave now!!
23:57<junio>!germinate
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