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00:15<yhlfh>why some documentations are in non-free category?
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00:18<EmleyMoor>My mail system (exim and qpsmtpd are in use) is saying "HELO localhost" but needs to say my FQDN. Where do I need to look to adjust that?
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00:21<blarson_>yhlfh: Licenses that don't meet DFSG. No modification, etc.
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00:22<tcsetattr>because FSF and Debian are in a long, sad flamewar over the GNU Free Documentation License, with the users suffering the damage
00:23<yhlfh>blarson_: but, does GFDL meet DFSG? gnupg-doc is released under GFDL and it is in non-free category.
00:23<ameyer>yhlfh: in some cases it can, I think
00:23<EmleyMoor>GFDL with no invariant sections meets DFSG I think
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00:23<ameyer>if there aren't any non-changable sections, it's DFSG-compliant I think
00:24<gsimmons>yhlfh: See <> for more details.
00:25<EmleyMoor>If I am sending mail using mutt, does it use exim to actually send the mail? In any case, where do I configure my HELO?
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00:26<ameyer>lol, " it also potentially disallows encrypting the documentation, or even storing it on a filesystem that supports permissions."
00:27<ameyer>that makes GFDL useless
00:27<ameyer>unless your / is running a variant of FAT
00:28<jm_>EmleyMoor: yes
00:29<tcsetattr>I think mutt can be configured to bypass your MTA and talk directly to a remote SMTP server. I wouldn't consider that a wise idea.
00:29<EmleyMoor>jm_/tcsetattr: OK, where do I configure my HELO?
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00:30<EmleyMoor>I'm getting rejected by a remote mail server for it being localhost
00:31<yhlfh>so is there any documentation license meets DFSG?
00:31<jm_>EmleyMoor: uhm not sure, exim 3 config asks about visible name of your mail server
00:31<EmleyMoor>jm_: This is exim4 of course
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00:31<jm_>yeah I keep sticking to the old version since it works
00:31<jm_>it has the same setting too
00:32<tcsetattr>I keep sticking to qmail because it's simple
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00:33<EmleyMoor>I stick away from qmail because it's non-free
00:34<Supaplex>!start an mta war
00:34<dpkg>postfix owns
00:34<Supaplex>that's no war.
00:35<tcsetattr>qmail is as "non-free" as the GCC documentation - it's a stupid flamewar waged by lawyers and people who secretly wish they were lawyers, with no practical relevance
00:36<EmleyMoor>It's source-only distribution IIRC
00:37<tcsetattr>yeah. it's the software distributed _without_ source that's evil.
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00:37<EmleyMoor>OK, where do I go to ask how to configure the HELO?
00:37<tcsetattr>#exim I guess
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00:38<tcsetattr>just bad timing, not many people awake in here
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00:39<yhlfh>hey, how can i reset my gnome? i can't set something back to original.
00:39<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: See also <> (particularly 1.2.3.)
00:39<EmleyMoor>Will see it later - late for work
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00:55<dondelelcaro>(if you actually care about security)
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01:02<serge>Hello! Can anybody advice native Linux solution how to enable our network to send-receive pop-up messages? The matter is some our clients have dialup I-net and I've set up their systems to connect to our network as VPN clients (openvpn).
01:02<serge>so we need to know instantly when they connect to our VPNserver
01:02<dondelelcaro>serge: what for?
01:03<serge>se last line pls
01:03<dondelelcaro>serge: the typical method is to use some sort of chat client and use xmessage or a user configurable popup agent to do it
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01:04<serge>dondelelcaro: can you tell the name of software pls?
01:04<dondelelcaro>what, like irssi+xmessage?
01:04<Supaplex>!tell serge -about search
01:04<Supaplex>serge: unless your clients have that installed, the best you'll do is monitoring the logs. do you intend to send messages to the clients?
01:05<serge>Supaplex: it would be good idea..
01:05<Supaplex>a jabber client would work
01:05<serge>to send also
01:06<jm_>one can also use linpopup for messages from Windows nodes
01:06<Supaplex>that's the suck tho
01:06<serge>our clients are mostly Linux
01:06<sortadi>if a kernel version number has any of the last two ones as even, does that make it a stable release?
01:07<sortadi>and if viceversa, does it make it a development release?
01:07<jm_>sortadi: that no longer applies
01:07<sortadi>jm_, how is it now?
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01:07<jm_>sortadi: they are all considered stable
01:08<sortadi>I see
01:08<dondelelcaro>"trust us, it's stable"
01:08<sortadi>jm_, thanks
01:08<sortadi>jm_, the thing is that I'm reading this relativelty old O'reilly book
01:08<sortadi>jm_, and it says that
01:08<serge>our support are working together on diskless stations on application linux server, so it should notify everybody when client comes to VPN.
01:09<jm_>sortadi: yes it's probably a bit old
01:09<serge>...ok. let me have a look what you adviced. Thank you!
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01:43<chuy_max>I have a pop server that doesn't support encryption, if I login using evolution, is my password compromised?
01:45<chuy_max>excuse me, but I don't know how passwords are sent
01:46<Supaplex>use dsniff or tcpflows and find out
01:46<Supaplex>CHAP is safe w/o ssl or tls
01:47<Supaplex>no idea what your client uses.
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02:31<yhlfh>hi, i mount a partition to ~/media as my multimedia database, i set it in /etc/fstab. but there's always an icon shows on my desktop that link to that partition, how to make it disappear form my desktop?
02:32<oxymor00n>i have no clue, but you should at least tell people what you use (Gnome, KDE, Xfce or whatever)
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02:36<fatal>yhlfh: pluggable devices will be automounted by udev/hal/gnome if your user is a member of the plugdev group, no need to manually hack fstab ... I suggest making your ~/media a symlink to the automounted location.... mount should tell you where that is, somewhere in /media/...
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04:06<yhlfh>fatal: my problem is not about pluggable devices. as / is pointed to a partition and /home is pointed to a partition and /home/yhlfh/media is pointed to a partition, too. why only the partition that /home/yhlfh/media pointed to is different? why the partition that /home pointed to doesn't show in computer:/// but the partition that /home/yhlfh/media do show in computer:///?
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04:20<pengol>hi there ... I know I'm off topic here but maybe somebody can help. I have problems with my network revese resolution. I can correctly reverse resolve from my network but this is not outside. Any suggestion about the misconfiguration that is causing this?
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04:21<pengol>I mean that If I try to reverse resolve from outside my network I got wrong answeas
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04:28<padski>I'm trying to dry-run with rysnc and get a list out of file that would change at the destination ...
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04:32<johnon>Are not you at school?:)
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04:33<johnon>he he
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04:35<johnon>when does school year start in your country?
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04:35<JasonS>oddly enough this morning
04:35<JasonS>going to be fun to see all the whiny kids this morning on my walk to work
04:37<johnon>i am a student and i start my education just for a month:)
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04:39<johnon>where do you come from?i write from Poland...
04:40<JasonS>johnon: do you have a debian question?
04:41<johnon>JasonS: why?
04:41<johnon>isn't it also a chat? Internet Relay CHAT
04:42<JasonS>johnon: because youre in a support channel for a linux distro called debian and not a general chat channel is why, not that its busy right now mind you
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04:42<johnon>ok, I see..
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04:50<newwbee>hello ?
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04:59<gsimmons>padski: Use the verbose (-v) and dry-run (-n) options.
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05:02<padski>gsimmons, think I've sussed it. the problem seems to be when I use it locally instead of with a destination server. then it just tells me it is going to copy everything :-)
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05:25<cramm>hm http://security.d.o etch/updates/main Packages and others are giving 404's
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05:26<jm_>try it again, it's not a single host
05:26<jm_>WFM anyway
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05:31<tzafrir> looks nice :-)
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06:00<padski>I'm having fun with rsync and directory names with spaces in :-)
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06:01<sasha>hi , my sound card don t work anymore with a newly compiled kernel how can i invertigate the problem ?
06:02<jm_>fix your kernel
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06:02<sasha>is it normal ever if i tooked the config from a wotking one ?
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06:03<jm_>what do you mean?
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06:04<sasha>i compiled my new kerne with the config from the old one and without modification
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06:05<sasha>gconfaudiosrc : could not open resource for writin with the alsa tet ?
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06:05<jm_>do you have /proc/asound/cards? are sound modules loaded?
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06:06<sasha>yes i have , but i ll check on google first before disturbing here i think the problem is easilky solvable , thank you
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06:08<jm_>then use something simpler to test it, such as aplay
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06:11<padski>that rsync thing,
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06:12<korny>i'm trying to start freera and i get the error: "ui/font.cpp line 157: Load the font"
06:12<korny>what does that mean?
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06:18<padski>here it is again for anyone who missed the first one. see how it says "created directory /srv/foo2/Abbot"
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06:19<padski>but if I change that destination to root@localhost:"/srv/foo2/Abbot\ And\ Costello/" it works.
06:19<padski>I lost track of why ;-)
06:20<padski>what will happen if there is a filename with a quote in it :-)
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06:21<padski>actually, that seems to work ...
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06:35<matholio>hi all
06:36<matholio>I have a process I want to kill, but `kill nnnn' does not work. is there a way to stop it ?
06:36<berto>try kill -9
06:37<matholio>yes. that did it.
06:37<matholio>weird option '-9'
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06:37<berto>it's the signal number
06:37<matholio>I read about that in them man pages before coming here, I just didn;t get it.
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06:42<d-_-j>any body here?
06:42<d-_-j>who can help me?
06:42<E0x>i count 299 nick
06:43<E0x>so , yes
06:44<JasonS>d-_-j: helps if you tell us the problem
06:44<E0x>d-_-j: just ask and wait , maybe somebody want/can answer you question
06:45<d-_-j>i'm english no good
06:45<JasonS>d-_-j: what is your native language?
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06:46<dpkg>cz is, like, Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
06:46<JasonS>opps wrong one
06:46<dpkg>somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
06:47<JasonS>thats the one
06:47<lupine>is the last bit of that UTF-8?
06:47<lupine>bah. it's not showing here
06:47[~]lupine hunts for fonts
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06:55<d-_-j>how can i send some photos here?
06:55<dpkg>paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.
06:56<JasonS>damn i suck today, that's 0-2 :(
06:56<witte>!tell d-_-j about pastebin
06:56[~]JasonS gives up
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07:14<d-_-j>if i want send photo. how to choose the Language and Expiration?
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07:16<d-_-j>if i want send photo. how to choose the Language and Expiration in '' ?
07:17<gsimmons>d-_-j: No no, you'd want to use <> for pictures instead.
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07:17<d-_-j>Can you understand my what to say?
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07:18<klando>picpaste... interesting
07:18<JasonS>d-_-j: yes but you dont paste pictures on
07:19<d-_-j>what's the name of system and browser?
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07:20<E0x>look like a unix system
07:20<E0x>with screen ?
07:20<JasonS>unix of some sort
07:20<E0x>that look like ditto browser
07:20<E0x>that stuff is hollywood mod
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07:23<d-_-j>Does the nobody know?
07:23<E0x>that is not a real stuff , if is a real one maybe is a hollywood mod
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07:23<JasonS>d-_-j: where did you get those pictures from?
07:24<E0x>is movie
07:24<E0x>i see it but i dont remember the name
07:24<E0x>ahh yes i think is dejavu ?
07:24<E0x>right ?
07:24<E0x>right shooter
07:24<E0x>now i remember
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07:33<d-_-j>i install debian on my laptop,
07:33<d-_-j>why the cpu fan Rotate very quick
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07:34<kuchenmonster>d-_-j: Because your laptop has much to do?
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07:35<Dan[EQ]>Hi guys, I'm trying to su but I get this error initgroups: Operation not permitted
07:35<fgh>wich file sets LANGUAGE= ?
07:35<Dan[EQ]>I can sudo but not su
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07:40<d-_-j>thank you
07:41<d-_-j>I need to study english
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07:44<padski>Dan[EQ], which debian release ?
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07:49<Dan[EQ]>however it was installed manually on a nslu2
07:49<Dan[EQ]>I think it could have something to do with file ownership
07:49<padski>Dan[EQ], did you do the install ?
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07:50<backpro>what is the best debian base OS ?
07:50<Dan[EQ]>logged in a root right now. As a normal user I can sudo
07:50<Dan[EQ]>just not su
07:50<padski>funny. just the other day someone on #debian-arm was telling me the install was broken (the r2 network boot disk?)
07:50<padski>Dan[EQ], try sudo su
07:50<Dan[EQ]>yeah the install is broken
07:51<Dan[EQ]>hence I had to do it manually
07:51<Dan[EQ]>sudo su works
07:53<padski>Dan[EQ], does that solve your problem ? or you want to know why :-)
07:53<Dan[EQ]>lol I need to run su by itself =P
07:53<padski>the common case of this would be something like the password on the root account is disabled
07:53<Dan[EQ]>nope there is definately a password there
07:53<padski>but why do you need to run su by itself ?
07:53<Dan[EQ]>part of a script
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07:54<jm_>try stracing it
07:54<jm_>ahh won't work
07:54<padski>Dan[EQ], you are going to write a script that su's
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07:55<Dan[EQ]>it's to run some network service
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07:56<padski>Dan[EQ], do you have init ?
07:56<backpro>i have debian and router modem my network card work automatic in kde but doesnt work in gnome ???
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07:57<padski>the usual convention is to strat with enough privileges to get started and drop them when you no longer need them
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08:02<adii>I can't install nvidia module (using one-liner, on lenny, with a 2.6.21-2-486 kernel)
08:02<adii>is it me ?
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08:03<jm_>are there no precompiled modules for it?
08:03<adii>i thought so
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08:04<adii>modprobe nvidia returns "module not found"
08:05<jm_>you are missing the point - are there no precompiled nvidia kernel module packages for that kernel?
08:05<dpkg>rumour has it, se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i på FreeNode (
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08:06[~]adii is puzzled now
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08:06<adii>apt-cache search nvidia returns nothing like that (should i search somewhere else ?)
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08:08<jm_>then it's not there
08:08<jm_>should be named something like nvidia-kernel-blabla
08:08<jm_>you should check BTS
08:08<adii>what is bts ? :x
08:08<dpkg>rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
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08:09<fr3ak>Can someone analyze a pastebin and help me ? I am tryin to install OpenChrome xorg driver
08:09<azeem>3rd party modules are built on a "best-effort" basis for testing/unstable, I think
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08:10<azeem>fr3ak: you didn't even post the pastebin yet, how do you think people should help you
08:10<azeem>fr3ak: nobody says "I promise to help you when you show me the pastebin"
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08:11<azeem>fr3ak: well, I don't have time now
08:11<azeem>it was a general remark
08:11<weasel>also, at least summarize your problem.
08:11<azeem>whoever has time might look at it, and if they know, will tell you
08:11<fr3ak>Can someone analyze a pastebin and help me ? I am tryin to install OpenChrome xorg driver this is the pastebin
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08:22<artem12345>hello, anyone here?
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08:24<gsimmons>fr3ak: See <>, particularly the note about automake1.9.
08:24<zb>who in?
08:24<fr3ak>gsimmons, ty mate im checkin
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08:26<fr3ak>gsimmons, u saw that error in pastebin?
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08:26<artem12345>can some1 help me with a swap problem?
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08:28<paveq>would anyone happen to know script to convert linux style filenames (containing some UTF-8 chars) to windows-combatible form?
08:28<paveq>seems that windows doesn't like my special characters
08:28<artem12345>i instaled a swap partition , but when ever i look at the system monitor it has a swap od 0, what wrong?
08:29<jm_>artem12345: is it in fstab? does swapon -s show it as active?
08:29<jm_>then it's being used
08:30<artem12345>also in /proc/swap
08:30<artem12345>/dev/hda9 partition 755012 0 -1 /shows this
08:30<fr3ak>gsimmons, i still get errors can you check them i'll pastebin if u want
08:32<gsimmons>fr3ak: Did you run update-alternatives?
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08:33<fr3ak>gsimmons, i did
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08:34<fr3ak>gsimmons, i chose automake 1.9 is that alright?
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08:35<gsimmons>fr3ak: Yes, that's fine. Just go ahead and pastebin your updated error.
08:35<artem12345><jm_> so do you know what up?
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08:38<jm_>artem12345: it's all fine
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08:38<artem12345>well, why does its it show 0
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08:41<serg>hi. how to setup kde? i've installed packages and don't know hot to configure it to load automatically. also there are some problems with x-server startup :).. it wrotes: path /etc/X11/... not found :) is it a configuration problem? thank you for help
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08:43<fr3ak>gsimmons, im sorry i was afk but im pastin now
08:44<serg>i've installed base debian system and made "apt-get install kde"
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08:44<fr3ak>there is goes
08:45<serg>how to make it working?
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08:45<serg>ok. i know, there is tool which selects wm. can you tell me it's name?
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08:47<gsimmons>fr3ak: I'm able to compile the openchrome driver from SVN (Etch/i386) without issue, using either automake 1.9 or 1.10.
08:47<fr3ak>gsimmons, omg im using debian 4.0
08:47<fr3ak>what could it be
08:48<fr3ak>gsimmons, use vesa driver sux like the f*ck
08:48<gsimmons>fr3ak: I think you're just missing some required packages, notably libtool. Install 'build-essential' and the other necessary packages as indicated on the wiki page.
08:48<fr3ak>i did install all this packages gsimmons im tryin to make this driver works for like 2-3 days
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08:48<fgh>wich file sets the LANG and LANGUAGE vars in export?
08:49<fr3ak>libtool is already the newest version.
08:49<fr3ak>build-essential is already the newest version.
08:49<fr3ak>gsimmons, what is ur chipset?
08:49<fr3ak>gsimmons, may i try on automake 1.10
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08:54<gsimmons>fr3ak: I've amended your post with a list of packages you need to have installed <>. Please confirm when all are present within your system.
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08:55<fr3ak>gsimmons, ty so much
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08:55<fr3ak>but i have all of it installed
08:56<fr3ak>i did pm u
08:56<fr3ak>so we avoid to pastebin on excessive way
08:57<gsimmons>fr3ak: I didn't ask for it. Please refrain from doing so.
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08:57<fr3ak>gsimmons, how you mean?
08:57<gsimmons>fr3ak: No private messages, please.
08:57<fr3ak>hehe im not native english speaker, im from brazil
08:57<fr3ak>but i did paste you a similar error
08:58<fr3ak>and i said you everythin i try to install with my automake/libtool
08:58<fr3ak>i get the sam error
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09:03<gsimmons>fr3ak: A compile of the openchrome driver (as at rev 389) "works for me". "svn up ; make distclean" and try again.
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09:04<fgh>wich file sets the LANG and LANGUAGE vars in export?
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09:09<witte>fgh: I think you want to have a look at the locales packages
09:10<witte>fgh: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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09:11<fr3ak>gsimmons, u want me to try again usin shootin this command? svn up ; make distclean?
09:11<gsimmons>fr3ak: That's right, from within the openchrome 'trunk' directory.
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09:13<fr3ak>gsimmons, ok
09:13<fr3ak>lets try again
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09:14<fr3ak>gsimmons, required file `./' not found
09:14<fr3ak>it should not happen aigh
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09:15<fr3ak>themill, great
09:15<fr3ak>what do i do with it?
09:15<fr3ak>dpkg --purge libtool?
09:16<themill>I'd be checking you have that package and the the rest of build-essential installed.
09:16<gsimmons>themill: He does, apparently.
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09:16<gsimmons>fr3ak: Also, the openchrome driver is available as a package for Etch ('xserver-xorg-video-via'). Do you have a video chipset which isn't supported in this version?
09:17<fr3ak>no its not
09:17<themill>and the rest of autotools?
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09:17<fr3ak>gsimmons, what is the repository of it i cant find xserver-xorg-video-via
09:17<bcochofel>Hi, I'm doing a mount -t smbfs -o...,rw but I can't write to it as regular user. How can I do this?
09:17<fr3ak>the-dude, what are the left?
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09:17<fr3ak>themill, what are left auto tools? automake?
09:18<fgh>witte: i have run dpkg-reconfigure locales and enabled the locales i want but when running export i get declare -x LANGUAGE="en_SE:en_US:en_GB:en"
09:18<themill>automake and autoconf might be needed too if the package has not been conf'd properly (e.g. using svn snapshots_
09:18<fr3ak>the-dude, i got this packages also
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09:19<fr3ak>gsimmons, how do i get a repository to get the xorg~via ?
09:19<fr3ak>i dont have it on mines
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09:19<DTE>hi all
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09:19<gsimmons>fr3ak: You don't. You're already attempting to compile drivers from that package's upstream source.
09:20<DTE>i got many problem try to install ocfs2 in debian
09:20<DTE>heartbeat is not running
09:20<themill>fr3ak: what chipset do you have?
09:20<fr3ak>gsimmons, well is there any alternative method to compile this driver lol
09:20<fr3ak>themill, VIA PM4890
09:20<DTE>anyone has a working setup of ocfs2?
09:21<fr3ak>themill, VIA P4M890
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09:22<witte>fgh: and that is probably not what you want?
09:22<fgh>witte: no :)
09:23<witte>fgh: I do not have a LANGUAGE thing in my export output, I have a declare -x LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
09:23<fgh>seems /etc/environment is what im looking for
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09:24<fr3ak>themill, i try to compile to make other things with automake
09:24<witte>fgh: I do not have that file on my system, what system are you using? etch?
09:24<fr3ak>themill, this kinda of chipset is makin me fr3ak it is usin vesa driver lol
09:24<fgh>witte: yes
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09:24<themill>fr3ak: ok... let's go back to the beginning. You've tried the via driver that's in debian etch?
09:24<fr3ak>themill, no ? which one is this
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09:25<witte>fgh: ok, I just logged into an etch machine, and there it is present, although empty
09:26<webtech>anyone know how to configure freeradius to have different huntgroups send different attributes?
09:26<fr3ak>themill, ok from which repository i can get this package it cant be found
09:26<fgh>witte: hm, some other file seems to override the LANG settings from /etc/environment
09:26<themill>fr3ak: it's in main
09:26<gsimmons>fr3ak: I asked you this before. The "via" driver which is included within 'xserver-xorg-video-via', have you tried this driver?
09:26<fr3ak>it is installed what should i do now
09:27<gsimmons>fr3ak: You adjust your xorg.conf to use this driver ("via").
09:27<fr3ak>lets try this out
09:28<fr3ak>Section "Device"
09:28<fr3ak> Identifier "Generic Video Card"
09:28<fr3ak> Driver "vesa"
09:28<fr3ak> BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
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09:28<witte>fgh: you logged in again? And you do not use an old .bashrc or something?
09:28<fr3ak>gsimmons, i change vesa for via??
09:28<gsimmons>fr3ak: Yes.
09:28<fr3ak>then ctrl+alt+backspace
09:29<witte>fgh: I am not to certain I am the one who should answer these questions as I am not to certain
09:29<witte> about them myself ;-)
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09:29<gsimmons>fr3ak: Yes, or whichever method you prefer to restart the X server.
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09:29<haseo>how can i disable a network card?
09:30<witte>haseo: now: /sbin/ifconfig <name> down
09:30<witte>haseo: for ever: edit /etc/networking/interfaces
09:31<fgh>witte: ok, maybe i should drop it for the wind. everything works as i want anyway... just curious about the export settings :)
09:31<fgh>thanks anyway
09:31<haseo>witte thanks a lot
09:32<witte>fgh, haseo: np :-)
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09:33<haseo>i got a problem here, everytime i boot up the eth0 (my primary net card with internet) is not detected and i need to run dhcpclient for it to detect the cards and the second card keeps displaying message PHY reset until link up, how can i make it detec eth0 everytime it boots?
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09:34<fr3ak>gsimmons, ok i tried changin it to via
09:34<fr3ak>but i didnt make it =/
09:34<fr3ak>gsimmons, well mabe if i show somethin u will analyze it better
09:34<themill>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select via would be a good start
09:35<fr3ak>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Unknown device 3343 (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
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09:35<fr3ak>is that normal?
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09:36<themill>fr3ak: try running update-pciids
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09:36<gsimmons>fr3ak: Run 'update-pciids' as root, then re-examine. If it's the same as the P4M890 you earlier mentioned, don't bother to mention it again.
09:37<fr3ak>gsimmons, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP [VIA P4M890 Chipset] (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA])
09:37<fr3ak>i did reconfigure dpkg
09:37<fr3ak>lets try again
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09:37<gsimmons>fr3ak: What did I _just say_?
09:37<fr3ak>ah lol
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09:38<haseo>how can i configure an eth connection for it to start everytime Debian boots?
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09:39<witte>haseo: edit /etc/networking/interfaces
09:39<themill>haseo: /etc/network/interfaces auto ethX
09:39<themill>haseo: man 5 interfaces
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09:40<fr3ak>gsimmons themill ok the package has been installed as i told ya 2 but when i change it to via or tryin to reconfigure dpkg it does not work...
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09:41<gsimmons>fr3ak: Sorry, what isn't working? The amendment to your xorg.conf (via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) or the use of your video card with the (Etch) "via" driver?
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09:47<themill>fr3ak: I'm not sure what state the via drivers are in.... if you feel like a walk on the wild side, you could try out the proprietry drivers, but you might just be better off sticking with vesa... (you could also try the newer drivers in sid or experimental...)
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09:49<gsimmons>fr3ak: I've had no issues with compiling the OpenChrome driver from SVN on an Etch system. As I can't reproduce your problem, I'm unable to assist any further.
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09:57<fr3ak>themill, im sorry i was givin cisco support hehe, btw yes i tried to use via drivers
09:57<fr3ak>and no progress
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09:58<themill>fr3ak: if you're chipset is supported by the openchrome driver then spend time getting it working.
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09:58<fr3ak>yes mabe
09:58<fr3ak>but how can i check if the driver is installed on my kernel
09:59<themill>fr3ak: does openchrome use a kernel module? lsmod and depmod
09:59<themill>bah... lsmod and modinfo
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09:59<fr3ak>themill, it gives me some via modules
09:59<fr3ak>why cant i just use it
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10:01<themill>some of the via modules will be for your sound card, sata etc etc...
10:01[~]themill is remembering why he hated the via chipset on his old laptop so much...
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10:03<fr3ak>themill, wtf* man im startin to hate via chipset so much
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10:03<janux-xmind>Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at localhost. I don't know where the problem is
10:03<fr3ak>themill, the worst thing is that instead of a AGP common slot it is PCI express, here in brazil PCI express video cards are rares
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10:04<themill>janux-xmind: are you running a web server on your machine?
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10:04<janux-xmind_>i can't load my website hosted at localhost
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10:05<janux-xmind_>can someone help me to use apache2 on debian
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10:06<chealer>!tell janux-xmind about someone
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10:08<janux-xmind_>Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at localhost. I don't know where the problem is
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10:11<janux-xmind_>Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at localhost. I don't know where the problem is
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10:11<janux-xmind_>Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at localhost. I don't know where the problem is
10:11<JasonS>janux-xmind_: yes we saw that all ready no need to repeat
10:11<janux-xmind_>so ?!
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10:12<JasonS>so did you check in the apache log files? how did you try to connect to teh website? fqdn? ip?
10:12<JasonS>and learn to be patient as well
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10:13<cahoot>and perhaps some google-fu
10:13<JasonS>that as well
10:14<janux-xmind_>it's very strange. 'til yesterday night, i was able to load my web site with localhost address on iceweasel. but this mornig i can't
10:15<cahoot>apache died on you?
10:15<janux-xmind_>may be
10:15<pumpkin0>/etc/init.d/apache restart ?
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10:20<pumpkin0>janux-xmind_: run "/etc/init.d/apache restart". Does it work now ?
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10:24<JasonS>good grief janux-xmind_
10:24<janux-xmind>i'll try to remove apache2 then i'll install it again
10:25<pumpkin0>janux-xmind: run "/etc/init.d/apache restart". Does it work now ?
10:25<JasonS>janux-xmind_: just restart apache
10:26<JasonS>and why not
10:26<janux-xmind>bash: apache: command not found
10:26<JasonS>as root? and iirc for apache2 its /etc/init.d/apache2 restart perhaps?
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10:27[~]JasonS doesnt run 2 so im not positive
10:27<janux-xmind>when i try apache2 restart it says apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
10:27<janux-xmind>httpd not running, trying to start
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10:28<janux-xmind>may if i remove it themn install it again it will work well
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10:28<JasonS>or you could just fix the problem
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10:31<Decipher>Hey everyone
10:31<Decipher>Any debian experts on?
10:32<zobel>no. we are all novices.
10:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:32<pumpkin0>no, the 306 people in this channel just hang out for fun ...
10:32<Decipher>Right fine
10:32<Decipher>i have a problem installing Debian 4.0 ETCH from CD On an Intel P3 Laptop
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10:33<pumpkin0>Decipher: and the error msg is a secret ...?
10:33<JasonS>janux-xmind: well you could start with apache log files, you could fix the warning you get when starting apache
10:34<Decipher>When installing, the process stops at "Setting up PCI resources"
10:35<janux-xmind>too late! I've already removed it
10:35<cahoot>Decipher, you could try to add noapic to the boot options
10:36<Decipher>Tell me more. im a n00b at linux.
10:36<cahoot>f1 (or is it f2?) at the initial bootscreen - read the info
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10:37<Decipher>Its F1, but no info?
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10:38<cahoot>isn't an array of different F# listed?
10:38<Decipher>but what then?
10:39<Decipher>No matter what i boot into,
10:39<Decipher>it will always stop at "Setting up PCI resources"
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10:39<cahoot>I've no photographic memory, but IIRC there are instructions on-screen about the implications of the different F-keys
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10:40<Decipher>I know this
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10:40<Decipher>but even when i boot into rescue mode,
10:40<Decipher>it just stops.
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10:41<pumpkin0>what is the recommanded package to cut mpeg/avis in debian ?
10:42<pumpkin0>Decipher: did you disable all powersaving options and special extras in the BIOS ?
10:42<Decipher>There's the thing
10:42<Decipher>the newb before me who owned the laptop
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10:42<Decipher>put a god damn password on the BIOS
10:42<cahoot>You might try 'install noapic' at the very beginning of the install
10:42<Decipher>and i have NO idea wt tht is
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10:43<Decipher>and after much research
10:43<Decipher>there is no BIOS Jumper on this laptop
10:43<pumpkin0>Decipher: send it back. You will need the BIOS one day and laptops tend to have a strong BIOS password .
10:43<Decipher>i cant "Send it back"
10:43<Decipher>it was given to me
10:44<Decipher>after the previos owner died.
10:44<Decipher>Cahoot - i tried install noapic and it did the same thing
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10:44<pumpkin0>Back luck.
10:44<pumpkin0>Bad, not Back
10:45<cahoot>try add noacpi too
10:45<lupine>there are various utilities that grep/reset the bios password
10:45<lupine>they're vendor-specific
10:46<Decipher>this is a VERY old Sony Vaio
10:46<Decipher>and sony have discontinued support for the model.
10:46<Decipher>It was running Windows 2000 with no problem,
10:46<Decipher>the prevous owner upgraded it to XP
10:46<Decipher>But what i didnt know
10:46<pumpkin0>one of the bad Lithum-batt, aka BOOM models ?
10:46<Decipher>this was an ILLEAGLE version of XP
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10:47<Decipher>pumpkin0 - yea one of the "Ow, BOOM" models
10:47<Decipher>i nearly killed someone with this laptop
10:47<Decipher>fell on someones head.
10:47<Decipher>So anyway
10:47<Decipher>i decided to put Linux on it, but as it wouldnt boot from an ISO image not on a CD,
10:48<Decipher>i got a magazine with Debian ETCH 4.0 on it
10:48<Decipher>Hoping for the best,
10:48<Decipher>but on
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10:48<Decipher>got stuck at PCI resources
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10:51<Decipher>So if anyone could help?
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11:07<fliguy>anybody else having problems installing this new kernel patch?
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11:20<Decipher>im back
11:20<Decipher>anyone got me an answer yet?
11:21<dkr>Decipher: you probably need to provide mor einfo about the circumstances for anyone to understand what is going wrong for you
11:21<witte>Decipher: look at tuxmobil or
11:22<witte>Decipher: there you can see if your laptop is supported and what you need to do
11:22<dkr>or I guess you did, just before I joined 30 minutes ago. :)
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11:29<zulu>hello!, Is there a `debian way' to make my nfs-server send a signal to nfs-client tellin to umount because it is going to shutdown?
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11:38<artem12345>how do i install an image to grub?
11:38<dkr>zulu: I believe that does not happen by design. So that mounts remain
11:39<dkr>even when server goes away and comes back
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11:39<artem12345>so it shows at boot time
11:40<witte>artem12345: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
11:40<artem12345>yea i know
11:40<witte>artem12345: and afterwards you need to run grub-install
11:40<artem12345>i put a line for the splashscreen
11:41<witte>artem12345: grub-install /dev/hda1 for instance ;-)
11:41<cahoot>what's the purpose running grub-install?
11:42<artem12345>should i use the hda where the linux boot partition is?
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11:43<witte>cahoot: doesn't it place the correct stuf in the mbr?
11:43<witte>artem12345: I think so
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11:43<artem12345>kk i ll try
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11:44<witte>cahoot: was I incorrect?
11:44<cahoot>witte, if grub already is installed I can't see why
11:44<cahoot>it's not like lilo
11:45<witte>cahoot: yes, but how does your pc know what is in teh menu.lst before you put it on the hd
11:46<cahoot>witte, if grub already is installed it 'knows' where menu.lst is
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11:46<witte>cahoot: ok, I was not aware of that
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11:47<artem12345>nope it didnt work
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11:47<witte>artem12345: appereantly i told something wrong
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11:47<artem12345>can i see you line in menu.lst
11:47<artem12345>for splash
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11:49<witte>I do not use splash
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11:53<billy5>hello there! what is that: when I open a web page, the browser is waiting/hanging/whatever for about 5-10 sec before loading the page... it's not on all pages
11:53<EmleyMoor>How do I set the hostname my exim4 sends with HELO? It's sending localhost and there's a mailserver out there that doesn't like that
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11:55<artem12345>write do you use aterm?
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11:58<artem12345>anyone use aterm?
11:58<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
11:59<artem12345>well i have a text problem
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12:00<artem12345>when i use mc in aterm most carecter are no displayed insteded there are boxes
12:00<artem12345>i fix the problem with 'expoer LANG=en_US' , but how can i mage that permanent
12:01<artem12345>goes back evry time i close the terminal
12:01<haseo>when i was installing debian i had no network card and told to isntaller not to detect a network card, but now i got a new network card but everytime it boots it doesnt configures it and when i want to use internet i need to run command dhcpclient, how can i make deb to autoconfigure internet when booting?
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12:01<kinneh>artem12345: dont know
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12:02<cahoot>EmleyMoor, section 1.2.3 doesn't give the answer?
12:04<haseo>how can i add a command to the boot sequence??
12:05<artem12345><haseo> in the menu.lst file?
12:05<EmleyMoor>Not really, no
12:05<haseo>artem12345, i wanna add dhcpclien to the boot sequence
12:06<artem12345>change /boot/grub/menu.lst
12:06<witte>haseo: as I told before, you probalby want to configure /etc/network/interfaces
12:06<haseo>witte, i did but nothing happens it says eth0 doesnt exist
12:06<azeem>artem12345: how is that related to dhcp
12:07<artem12345>but couldent he just aded with meny file?
12:07<artem12345>does he what to display an option to loead it a boot time?
12:07<witte>haseo: upload your /etc/network/interfaces to pastebin
12:07<azeem>"boot sequence" has about nothing to do with grub
12:07<EmleyMoor>I am also getting errors logged in exim's paniclog about it being unable to connect to /var/run/sophie
12:07<azeem>grub just kicks it off
12:08<witte>haseo: and your /var/log/dmesg
12:08<witte>!tell haseo about pastebin
12:08<artem12345>ow thnking of somwthing else
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12:10<EmleyMoor>2007-09-04 17:57:17 1ISbiH-0007DA-94 malware acl condition: unable to connect to sophie UNIX socket (/var/run/sophie). errno=2
12:10<EmleyMoor>I am getting a lot of that logged in exim's paniclog - how do I go about fixing it?
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12:10<stroyan>artem12345: I think the best fix for your aterm problem would be to make it use a font that can handle all the characters in your default locale.
12:10<petemc>EmleyMoor: using debian config?
12:10<EmleyMoor>petemc: Yes
12:11<petemc>EmleyMoor: have you edited anything?
12:11<EmleyMoor>petemc: No
12:11<EmleyMoor>I believe it has something to do with spamassassin/clamav/qpsmtpd
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12:11<EmleyMoor>(but I can't tell what!)
12:13<petemc>that error indicates you've told exim to use a virus scanner via /var/run/sophie
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12:13<EmleyMoor>petemc: Indeed. So, why has it stopped working?
12:14<petemc>it was working before?
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12:14<EmleyMoor>It has worked
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12:14<petemc>you have sophie installed ?
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12:15<witte>haseo: you have to tell your eth0 that he has to look for dhcp
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12:15<EmleyMoor>Not per se, but it seemed to have something to do with clamav/qpsmtpd
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12:15<petemc>EmleyMoor: what makes you think that?
12:15<haseo>witte, how can i do this?
12:15<witte>haseo: "iface eth0 inet dhcp" after the auto eth0
12:15<EmleyMoor>Because it always did before (in the sarge days)
12:15<witte>without the """
12:15<petemc>EmleyMoor: what did? do you have sophie installed or not?
12:16<EmleyMoor>Not per se
12:16<petemc>per se?
12:16<petemc>(i know what it means, but in this context)
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12:16<JasonS>that sort of like sort of pregnant?
12:16<haseo>witte, how can i make sure what ethX am i using?
12:16<EmleyMoor>Not in actual conscious installation but it sem
12:16<EmleyMoor>seemed to have to do with clamav and smtpd
12:16<petemc>EmleyMoor: it seems as if exim is configured to use it, but its not installed
12:16<petemc>EmleyMoor: why do you think that?
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12:17<witte>haseo: you can set that with udev
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12:17<EmleyMoor>Because last time this broke, fixing qpsmtpd fixed it
12:17<witte>haseo: currently, your amd is eth0, your firewire is set as eth1
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12:18<Tjerk>Someone here dutch?
12:18<petemc>EmleyMoor: your problems seem to be with exim, so unless you mean to replace exim with qpsmtpd, i dont know what you're talking about
12:18<EmleyMoor>If I am configured, not at my own behest, to use something that has not been installed, I need to deconfigure it
12:18<witte>haseo: and you have a Sis 190 as eth2
12:18<EmleyMoor>qpsmtpd is frontending and passing on to exim
12:18<petemc>EmleyMoor: default configs aside, things dont configure themselves
12:18<EmleyMoor>This did!
12:19<petemc>good luck
12:19<Tjerk>Could someone here help me with samba?
12:19<JasonS>Tjerk: best just ask your question and be patient
12:19<haseo>witte, thats true, i am using eth0 as my active connection so i only need to add the line you told me and it is fixed for next boot?
12:19<witte>haseo: depending on which you want to use, you need to add instances in /etc/network/interfaces
12:19<witte>haseo: it should be
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12:21<witte>haseo: you do not need to reboot in order to test it
12:21<witte>haseo: /etc/init.d/networking restart should do the trick
12:21<Tjerk>right, I have installed Samba now, but when I want to login with mij desktop pc I can't login.
12:21<Tjerk>Samba don't accept my user/pass, how can I find with "webmin" the user/pass configuration
12:22<dpkg>from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
12:22<haseo>witte, thx let me try it
12:22<EmleyMoor>petemc: Can I have exim, spamassassin and clamav without qpsmtpd?
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12:22<petemc>EmleyMoor: absolutely
12:23<haseo>witte, didnt do the trick :), Permission denied and i am root
12:23<petemc>EmleyMoor: i call clamav and sa via exims acls
12:23<haseo>witte, heh
12:23<EmleyMoor>So if I reconfigure exim to listen on the outside, having removed qpsmtpd, it ought to work
12:24<petemc>EmleyMoor: no, you would need to configure exim properly
12:24<haseo>witte, oh sorry it did
12:24<witte>haseo: ah, ok
12:24<EmleyMoor>petemc: Define "properlyÂ"
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12:24<EmleyMoor>This sophie business was set up at the system's own behest
12:24<petemc>EmleyMoor: no trying to use a non existant socket at /var/run/sophie
12:25<EmleyMoor>So how do I disuse it?
12:25<petemc>EmleyMoor: you used debconf to configure exim/
12:25<witte>haseo: if your eth's in the future will swap (eth0 will become eth2 or somethign similar
12:25<witte>haseo: then you need to look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
12:25<petemc>EmleyMoor: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
12:26<witte>haseo: but as long as it works, you can leave it like it is
12:26<EmleyMoor>petemc: And *NOT* do what?
12:26<petemc>i wasnt aware of a debconf option to enable virus scanning
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12:26<haseo>witte, yeah some times it changes, maybe i need to learn how to use that
12:26<petemc>EmleyMoor: well, just go through it again, i guess
12:27<witte>haseo: it is quite simple, I will upload my file, so you can have a look
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12:28<witte>haseo: the ATTR{address} is the mac address which you can find in /sbin/ifconfig or dmesg
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12:29<haseo>witte, okey let me check it
12:29<EmleyMoor>petemc: Having done so, how do I ensure that spamassassin is used, and how do I make sure that is using clamav?
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12:30<petemc>EmleyMoor: i use my own config with exim, you'll need to follow a guide to set it up the debian way
12:30<petemc>im pretty sure theres not much to it
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12:31<EmleyMoor>I got this:
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12:31<EmleyMoor>Oh heck, several lines
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12:32<EmleyMoor>Some objection about the user qpsmtpd anyway
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12:33<EmleyMoor>And now exim won't run
12:33<EmleyMoor>From logging stuff it oughtn't to doing nothing
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12:34<EmleyMoor>Perhaps I should purge and reinstall?
12:34<xukun>can somebody please point me a recent howto about installing Xen on Ubuntu feisty?
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12:34<dpkg>i guess xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on
12:34<petemc>EmleyMoor: that sounds like a plan
12:34<witte>!tell xukun about ubuntu
12:34<billy5>one question: do I really need this NetworkManager?
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12:36<EmleyMoor>It wants to remove too much else when I do that
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12:39<cahoot>billy5, might be practical with wifi - no absolute need though
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12:40<billy5>so i can do safely a apt-get remove?
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12:41<james_w>billy5: yes.
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12:42<james_w>billy5: unless it is configuring your network, in which case it might be better to make sure it works without it first.
12:42<EmleyMoor>How do I force the removal of just the packages I need to remove, so that I can reinstall them from fresh?
12:43<petemc>EmleyMoor: you should just use the reinstall option, debian needs something to provide mail-transport-agent
12:43<billy5>james_w: how can i make sure, it works without it, without deinstalling it?
12:44<petemc>EmleyMoor: sounds like you need to remove qpsmtpd tho..
12:44<EmleyMoor>If I use that, surely it won't reinstall clean - it will still be dirty
12:44<EmleyMoor>Removed that already
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12:44<petemc>EmleyMoor: did you edit any of the config files?
12:44<jn>funck you
12:44<EmleyMoor>petemc: No
12:44<james_w>billy5: how are you connected to the net? What is the name of the interface?
12:45<petemc>EmleyMoor: then dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should give you a working config
12:45<EmleyMoor>Well, it didn't
12:45<petemc>try again
12:46<jn>kubuntu user
12:46<EmleyMoor>That was again!
12:46<billy5>james_w: i'm connected through eth0 (wired, 8139too) and experiencing connection problems with browsers...
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12:46<petemc>EmleyMoor: what doesnt work then?
12:47<james_w>billy5: is eth0 listed in /etc/network/interfaces? Do you have (uncommented) auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet lines?
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12:47<EmleyMoor>Any of it. It was actually kicking up a fuss about the user qpsmtpd
12:47<billy5>james_w: brb
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12:49<EmleyMoor>exim is now running again
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13:09<EmleyMoor>Is it just me or are there rather frequent kernel security updates at the moment?
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13:10<benley>there always are
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13:11<xbc>hi, im looking for a program to draw a structure for developing a program. does anybody know one?
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13:12<artem12345>how can i display text in the terminal with chron?
13:12<haseo>is it posible to install flash player on a 64bits base plataform?
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13:12<james_w>artem12345: which terminal?
13:12<EmleyMoor>haseo: I'm sure there's a document about that somewhere
13:12<james_w>haseo: nspluginwrapper
13:12<artem12345>i uase aterm
13:12[~]EmleyMoor will have to read up on such things as he is likely to go 64 bit soonish
13:13<james_w>artem12345: yes but which terminal from cron's perspective? The one you are looking at?
13:13<benley>xbc: you mean like a flowchart?
13:13<james_w>xbc: are you refering to UML?
13:14<artem12345>not sure
13:14<EmleyMoor>Why is it that udev sets up my DVD writer as cdrw1 and dvdrw1, to match cdrom1 and dvd1, when the other drive is ROM only?
13:15<stroyan>artem12345: I think the best fix for your aterm problem would be to make it use a font that can handle all the characters in your default locale.
13:15<xbc>im looking for something that's fast and easy. don't know what UML is :)
13:15<xbc>benley, yes
13:15<stroyan>artem12345: has notes on setting x resources to use different fonts in aterm.
13:16<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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13:16<artem12345>* * * * * root echo "\n hey all, its time for a breaky, you got 10 min!!!\n" i added this to my crontab file this ok?
13:17<james_w>artem12345: that will just get emailed back to the owner of the cronjob.
13:17<stroyan>artem12345: cron doesn't have any intrinsic connection to any current logins. You could consider using the wall command from a cron script.
13:17<james_w>artem12345: man wall might be what you want.
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13:18<benley>xbc: I like to use omnigraffle for osx, but that may not help you on debian :)
13:18<benley>xbc: you could try Dia
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13:18<artem12345>ill try
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13:20<billy5>james_w: i am going to uncomment the interface lines... what about "auto lo"?
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13:21<james_w>billy5: you need that one.
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13:22<billy5>james_w: ok
13:23<james_w>billy5: if the lines iface eth0 ... are commented out then it means that network manager is probably managing those connections.
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13:26<haseo>how can i disable MTA from starting up it is annoying :)
13:26<EmleyMoor>haseo: An MTA is essential
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13:26<haseo>EmleyMoor, ive never used it and it wasnt installed :D and i was working okey.... till i was isntalling V card it iinstalled it....
13:27<billy5>james_w: so i am going to uncomment "auto eth0" and leaving "iface eth0 inet dhcp"?
13:27<haseo>now it is anoying again
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13:28<The_Ugster>Sorry to bother you guys, is there a new guy chat here? You know, for all the "IM LEET CUZ I HAVE LINUX" type chatting?
13:28<james_w>billy5: you want them both uncommented (no '#' at the start of the line).
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13:30<billy5>james_w: they are uncommented right now... you meant i should uncomment them in order to test, if it works without NetworkManager or similar...
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13:30<billy5>james_w: just a moment... what did i write?
13:31<xbc>billy5, did you read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian ? there are some examples in it.
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13:33<pif>what minimal devices should I have in /dev for my system to boot?
13:34<billy5>james_w: thanks for that input :)
13:34<pif>I have an "unable to open initial console" error, even though udev is installed
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13:47<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to create tar files in a hierarchy using levels like dump does?
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13:48<E0x>EmleyMoor: you mean save the hierarchy ?
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13:49<EmleyMoor>I mean create a tar file containing everything, and then further tar files containing the changes since then...
13:49<E0x>you can do a dif of a directory
13:50<E0x>diff ,i mean a pach
13:50<EmleyMoor>E0x: But then I'd have to have the original open
13:50<E0x>man diff
13:50<EmleyMoor>Do you know how dump's levels work?
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13:50<E0x>i dont know how it work , but i known what you want do
13:50<EmleyMoor>I don't think you've understood it
13:51<E0x>you want like a versioning system or something like that
13:51<E0x>but with tar
13:51<E0x>backup propurse ?
13:51<EmleyMoor>Yes, it is for backups
13:52<EmleyMoor>I want a way of doing full and differential or incremental backups
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13:52<E0x>why you dont try some backup software
13:52<james_w>EmleyMoor: you could look at rdiff-backup
13:52<E0x>like bacula
13:53<E0x>rsync too
13:53<EmleyMoor>Would the output of these pipe well into cdbackup?
13:54<EmleyMoor>(or do any of them have their own DVD+RW handling?)
13:54<E0x>with bacula you can , with rsync you can do some script for do the job
13:54[~]Supaplex lights EmleyMoor's crack pipe
13:55[~]EmleyMoor cracks Supaplex's light pipe
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13:55<E0x>amanda is another option
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14:00<ths_>hello all
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14:02<EmleyMoor>I shall be glad when I've got my current run of backups out of the way
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14:03<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
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14:08<serg>hi to all. help me please :) I've installed debian and it couldn't ping my adsl modem. also i have no internet... i have never configured adsl under linux. what could I done wrong?
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14:08<ths_>serg, is it a router with an adsl modem or a normal adsl modem?
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14:09<serg>in windows i only choose a gateway and all works...
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14:09<serg>modem connects to provider automatically
14:09<ths_>serg, is it a normal adsl modem?
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14:10<ths_>serg, you need the package pptp-linux to install your modem
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14:11<serg>it can't find my modem
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14:12<petemc>you dont need pptp
14:12<ths_>no forget serg petemc has right
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14:12<ths_>it's just for autrich
14:12<petemc>its for connecting to vpns
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14:15<serg>ping x.x.x.1 (modem ip) says "host not found".. and i suppose eth0 is active, but generally does not work. if i make lo down and try ting localhost it also can't do it. a've installed my system today and don't know what can be wrong.. ) I haven't done anything except choosing ip and gateway
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14:16<petemc>serg: does /sbin/ifconfig show an ip for eth0?
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14:17<serg>:) one moment, please. need to reboot ))
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14:17<petemc>serg: you didnt answer previously, but you're connecting with wired ethernet to your adsl modem/router?
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14:17<serg>adsl modem
14:17<petemc>you've said that, its not at all useful
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14:18<simonrvn>!tell serg -about smart questions
14:19<serg>it is not wired. sorry, my english is not good
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14:19<serg>may be I didn't understood the question right
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14:23<billy5>james_w: connections to web-servers take excessively long, loading goes fast... what could that be?
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14:24<billy5>james_w: i don't have that problem with w**dows
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14:25<Eulex>billy5, check if there are many open and stalled connections to it
14:25<serg2>ifconfig eth0 writes that eth0 has x.x.x.2 and ping x.x.x.1 that host is unreachable
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14:27<billy5>eulex: no open/stalled connections... i haven't got that problem with but with almost any other page... i think it has something to do with dns name look up but i don't know
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14:29<Eulex>billy5, install dnsutils and run dig <url>, check query time.
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14:30<billy5>eulex: that goes really fast
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14:31<billy5>eulex: getting query times of about 5 msecs
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14:33<Eulex>billy5, that'd be very good. then it isn't the dns that is the problem.
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14:33<serg2>hi to all! i have an adsl modem, which connects automatically. in windows i only choose a gateway and it works. but my debian system can't connect through it. i set the gateway ip, and it couldn't ever ping it (writes "Host is unreachable"). Does anybody know whats wrong?
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14:34<billy5>eulex: thx. but when i start iceweasel or any other browser it hangs on "Looking up <site>" for about 10(!) secs...
14:34<Eulex>serg2, is your ip and netmask set correctly?
14:34<Eulex>billy5, odd.
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14:35<billy5>eulex: good question... i hope so
14:35<billy5>eulex: i've got an eth2 with proto:UNSPEC !?
14:36<goens>could someone help me to configure a debian system to go through a proxy server?
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14:38<billy5>eulex: is there any way to trace a connection to look for the problem?
14:38<serg2>ping x.x.x.1 writes "Host is unreachable"
14:39<serg2>it's a modem ip
14:39<Eulex>billy5, ... I guess you could use ethereal or something like that
14:39<Eulex>serg2, you've said that half a dozen times.
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14:45<tcsetattr>serg2, run "netstat -rn" to see the routing table
14:46<billy5>eulex: thx
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14:49<tcsetattr>where is this proto:UNSPEC?
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14:58<billy5>tcsetattr: eth2, not a physical device, i think... but i set it down...
14:59<StCyr>I'm trying to turn an existing install into a xen guest
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15:00<StCyr>It's booting almost fine
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15:00<StCyr>but I can't get networking working
15:01<StCyr>if I try "ifup eth1" I get "ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device"
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15:02<StCyr>Anybody has an idea of what could go wrong?
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15:05<qbit>StCyr, use mii-tool to see what interface has link and change /etc/network/interfaces to reflect
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15:05<qbit>man interfaces if you need syntax
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15:06<StCyr>qbit: I get "no MII interfaces found"
15:06<mxd>Hello together can I ask a question?
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15:06<qbit>StCyr, try ethtool
15:08<StCyr>Don't have it install
15:08<StCyr>Shall I define a xenbr interface in /etc/network/interfaces?
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15:09<qbit>ah.. it's a zen image? missed that..
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15:10<qbit>not sure .. never trouble-shat zen network issues
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15:11<sasha>What does it mean
15:12<dpkg>If you're seeing BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive; this means that the signature on the Release.gpg file doesn't match the Release file. This happened because a mirror pulse was delayed. Use a different mirror, or wait 24 hours and the problem will resolve itself.
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15:12<tcsetattr>hmm... the number is different.
15:12<sasha>ok thanks a lot
15:12<mxd>dpkg can I ask you?
15:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:13<sasha>it means that the server is under update ?
15:14<tip>selam.. how can i mount a ntfs disk .. what can i write fstab
15:15<pumpkin0>tip: read/write NTFS or read-only ?
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15:15<tip>pumpkin0: rw
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15:16<sasha>tip : take a look at ntfs-3g
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15:16<pumpkin0>tip: test the mounting with "mount /dev/sda1 -t ntfs-g3 /folder"
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15:17<tip>pumpkin0: ok ty for your helps
15:17<pumpkin0>tip: if that works =>
15:17<mxd>I started an connection with gprs and. use ppp. but pppconfig saves not temporaly the modem port, after the first connection it disconnected had it
15:18<tip>pumpkin0: ok thanks
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15:19<mxd>I used the pon command
15:20<sasha>Is the bluetooth module loaded by defaault with debian the same as bluez or nothing in common ?
15:20<mxd>and the tool gcom from debian and a driver from debian
15:21<mxd>why the connection stops
15:21<tip>pumpkin0: unknown format ntfs-g3
15:21<pumpkin0>tip: you did not install ntfs-g3 first. That is the driver for r/w NTFS mounting.
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15:23<tip>pumpkin0: i did not understand... what i have to do first?
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15:29<JasonS>wow at least they waited what 20 seconds?
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15:33<SPARTAN|KRATOS>algum brasileiro aki?
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15:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:33<nomeata>Hi. In Xen, what happens to the disk buffering? Will it happen both in DomU and Dom0, as the data goes through both, or do the xen patches prevent that? Will the buffering then happen in Dom0 or DomU (important when considering the RAM sizes)?
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15:41<Decipher>Hey everyone
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15:42<JasonBourne>language is only english here ?
15:42<Decipher>i need advice on Networking with my new Debian Linux server
15:42<Decipher>not server*
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15:42<JasonS>JasonBourne: yes, what language do you normally speak?
15:42<JasonBourne>i'm french but i can speak english too !!
15:42<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur ou French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on or
15:42<Decipher>C'est super!
15:43<JasonS>if you like or here if you prefer
15:43<JasonBourne>lol yes
15:43<Decipher>i dont speak french
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15:43<Decipher>a little
15:43<Decipher>can someone help me?
15:43<JasonBourne>JasonS, thx i'm going
15:43<Decipher>I need advice on Networking my Debian Linux laptop
15:44<JasonS>Decipher: you really havent asked anything yet
15:44<JasonBourne>i stay here too learn more english !!
15:44<JasonBourne>"to", sorry
15:44<Decipher>Right well
15:45<Decipher>i have plugged in my Cable modem to the Ethernet port in the laptop
15:45<Decipher>its saying its connected,
15:45<Decipher>but it wont navigate to any sites on any browser
15:45<JasonS>Decipher: can you ping them by ip by any chance?
15:45[~]JasonS goes to check on the stew
15:46<Decipher>So anyone know whats going on?
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15:47<Decipher>i tried eveything
15:47<Decipher>looked on forums etc
15:47<Decipher>nothing works
15:47<JasonS>gateway, ip, subnet all correct, just off the top of my food deprived head
15:48<Decipher>all as it should be
15:48<Decipher>DHCP doesnt work neither
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15:50<tcsetattr>you're using a static address?
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15:51<Decipher>not that i know of.
15:51<tcsetattr>ok, you've claimed that you have the IP correct address and gateway, but not using DHCP.
15:51<tcsetattr>so how DID you get the correct IP address?
15:51<Decipher>i didnt
15:51<edgar>Buenas, soy nuevo en Debian y Necesito ayuda para instalar el flashplayer.. ya que me da un error..
15:51<Decipher>this is my Desktop
15:51<Decipher>running Windows XP
15:51<tcsetattr>then why did you lie?
15:51<Decipher>i'm not lieing
15:51<Decipher>i had to switch the cables for advice
15:51<tcsetattr><JasonS> gateway, ip, subnet all correct, just off the top of my food deprived head
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15:51<tcsetattr><Decipher> Yea
15:52<tcsetattr>he asked if you had the correct IP address, and you said "Yea".
15:52<tcsetattr>and now you say you don't.
15:52<Decipher>on the MODEM i do
15:52<Decipher>and on Linux also
15:52<Decipher>but it still doesnt work.
15:52<tcsetattr>but you also said DHCP isn't working, which means you got the correct address somehow without DHCP.
15:53<tcsetattr>that would be a statically-configured address then?
15:53<Decipher>i tried both of which
15:53<edgar>somebody speaks here Spanish?
15:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:53<Decipher>i used DHCP,
15:53<Decipher>i then used static address
15:53<Decipher>and i got the Address's from my ISP's info site
15:54<tcsetattr>they have an "info site" with customer IP addresses?!
15:54<Decipher>no, generic modem IP addresses
15:54<james_w>!tell edgar about es
15:54<tcsetattr>you don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?
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15:55<Decipher>my MODEM is auto-configured, ok
15:55<Decipher>and i have no real access to its settings,
15:55<Decipher>i had to ask my ISP for its info
15:55<edgar>you speak spanish
15:56<tcsetattr>so, don't worry about the modem. the question is how you're supposed to configure your computer, right?
15:56<james_w>edgar: we don't but #debian-es do.
15:56<tcsetattr>the answer is probably DHCP, if not DHCP then possibly PPPoE, or if you have a high-grade account, maybe a static address
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15:56<Decipher>i honestly have no idea.
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15:57<Decipher>But i dont understand how Debian Linux doesnt auto-configure this
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15:57<@dondelelcaro>the only auto configuration it can possibly do is using DHCP.
15:57<tcsetattr>how do you think it _should_ autoconfigure something it has no way of knowing?
15:58<@dondelelcaro>otherwise you have to tell it whether to use DHCP, PPPoE or a static address, and configure the latter two appropriately.
15:58<tcsetattr>you can fairly easily install a DHCP client and give it a try. it won't hurt anything if you're wrong.
15:58<Decipher>tcsetattr, it DOES have a way of knowing, if windows does, i would think Linux does
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15:58<Decipher>and a DHCP client,
15:58<Decipher>where from...?
15:58<dondelelcaro>Decipher: it's already automatically installed.
15:58<tcsetattr>if the question is "why doesn't Debian automatically attempt DHCP on every interface", the answer is... that would be rude?
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15:59<tcsetattr>apt-get install dhcp3-client
15:59<dondelelcaro>Decipher: just edit /etc/network/interfaces appropriately for the interface, and ifup fooiface; man 5 interfaces; for details.
15:59<noname001>check file /etc/network/interfaces
15:59<dondelelcaro>I mean, you can have a system without dhcp-client installed, but you've got to work a little to get it.
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15:59<Decipher>where do i type /etc/network/interface (im used to CMD Prompt xD)
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16:00<dondelelcaro>Decipher: it's a file. You edit it.
16:00<Decipher>i know....
16:00<tcsetattr>or if the question is "why can't I re-run the nifty network configuration thingy from the installer"...
16:00<noname001>nano /ec/network.interfaces in your console
16:00<tcsetattr>with less typos
16:00[~]tcsetattr l00ks
16:00<Decipher>i am a complete n00b at linux
16:00<Decipher>i had it ONE day
16:01<Decipher>im a Windows man
16:01<tcsetattr>configuring network is sysadmin job, not newbie job.
16:01<Decipher>OSX really
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16:01<noname001>first of all
16:01<Decipher>this isnt working
16:01<dondelelcaro>Decipher: that's fine; it's pretty easy to configure. You'll help us out a lot though by relaxing slightly with the enter key.
16:02<Decipher>Sorry for pissing you guys off, but im a faggot n00b in linux
16:02<mxd>and included do not take drugs
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16:02<Decipher>Accoring to Debian,
16:03<Decipher>i am connected
16:03<Decipher>but it wont navigate. Thats all i know.
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16:03<mxd>kick it!!!!!!!!!!!
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16:04<tcsetattr>where do you get the idea that you are "connected"?
16:04<Decipher>it tells me in "Network Settings" and in the Top-Right
16:04<tcsetattr>oh dear.
16:05<Decipher>"oh dear." doesnt sound good.
16:05<tcsetattr>I could ask "top right of what?" but I don't really care. get in a terminal and run ifconfig -a
16:05<noname001>sorry but I have missed the first part of his question , what is he asking about
16:06<tcsetattr>he's asking why his network connection isn't working.
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16:06<noname001>is he trying to confiure his computer to the Ethernet
16:06<tcsetattr>we're still trying to figure out the details. he has no clue about anything and it's slow going.
16:07<tcsetattr>he's trying to connect to the Internet via cable modem, whose configuration is a mystery
16:07<Decipher>You'd be good to work for Microsoft TechNet.
16:07<noname001>or to the internet with ADSL
16:07<noname001>or something
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16:07<Decipher>i did ifconfig -a
16:07<Decipher>What do ya need to knwo
16:07<tcsetattr>do you see any "inet addr:"
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16:08<noname001>ping some or something
16:08<Decipher>yes i do
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16:09<tcsetattr>ok at least we know you have an address, although we don't know what it is
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16:09<Decipher>ASK for it
16:10<Decipher>inet addr:127.0.01
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16:10<tcsetattr>ok, that's the loopback. it doesn't count. what about under "eth0"?
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16:10<Decipher>nope nothing like that
16:10<noname001>enter lspci
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16:10<tcsetattr>in the left column, there is "lo" and nothing else?
16:11<noname001>first of all and checkj doeas your network adapter is installed
16:11<tcsetattr>argh, too many helpers :)
16:11<Decipher>And yes
16:11<Decipher>my network adapter IS installed
16:11<tcsetattr>can't match the answers to the questions
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16:11<Decipher>it did recognise it
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16:11<noname001>ok tcsetattr I'll be quiet
16:13<tcsetattr>do you have anything in the left column besides "lo"?
16:13<Decipher>Link Encap - Local loopback
16:13<tcsetattr>so eth0 is there, but it doesn't have an inet addr?
16:13<Decipher>that is correct
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16:13<tcsetattr>ok, now do "grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces"
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16:14<Decipher>it replied
16:15<Decipher>iface eth0 inet dhcp
16:15<Decipher>auto eth0
16:16<Decipher>thats all
16:16<tcsetattr>all right, now do "ifdown eth0" and then "ifup eth0"
16:16<tcsetattr>this is the real good part :)
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16:17<Decipher>Killed old client process
16:18<Decipher>brb everyone
16:18<tcsetattr>uh oh
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16:18<kevinl>does anyone know much about network booting? I have machines that wont netboot because the e1000 nic driver is not being loaded. I am editing my initramfs scripts to load the module, but even with the module loaded, eth0 is not an interface in ifconfig -a. Is there another step to create the interface ?
16:20<kevinl>dmesg reports the e1000 NIC module loaded OK but there is still no eth0
16:20<tcsetattr>but e1000 does support the eth0 when you're booted locally, right?
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16:21<Decipher2207>im back
16:21<Decipher2207>sorry everyone
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16:22<kevinl>tcsetattr, i dont know, but web searches have said e1000 supports the card and loading other NIC modules seems to error out
16:22<tcsetattr>did your ifup eth0 tell you anything interesting?
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16:22<Decipher2207>it said
16:22<Decipher2207>No DHCPOFFERS recieve
16:22<tcsetattr>ok, one more thing we should have checked earlier: "mii-tool eth0"
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16:23<Decipher2207>eth0 - no link
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16:23<tcsetattr>ahh, no link.
16:23<Decipher2207>i brb again
16:24<kevinl>tcsetattr, ifup isnt not a command at this stage of the boot process, all commands are being typed into a busybox (initramfs)# prompt
16:24<kevinl>since the root filesystem isnt mounted these tools are not available
16:24<kevinl>only what is in the initrd.gz is there
16:24<tcsetattr>kevinl, sorry but Decipher is also doing a network-setup thing and I was talking to him
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16:25<tcsetattr>kevinl, can you lspci and find the card's description?
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16:25<Decipherfrombefore>im back
16:25<Decipherfrombefore>its me
16:25<Decipherfrombefore>someone stole my name
16:26<tcsetattr>the other you never left.
16:26<kevinl>lspci isnt a command either, is there a file in /proc that might tell me
16:26<Decipherfrombefore>well i did
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16:26<tcsetattr>you just disappeared, the IRC server doesn't know you're gone. there he goes!
16:26<Decipherfrombefore>what IS going on
16:26<tcsetattr>OK, mii-tool said "no link" which means the cable isn't plugged in, or something similar.
16:27<Decipherfrombefore>no see
16:27<Decipherfrombefore>it now says
16:27<Decipherfrombefore>negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control link ok
16:28<tcsetattr>ok, but if it had "no link" when you ran the ifup, you need to try it again
16:28<Decipherfrombefore>no see
16:28<Decipherfrombefore>i know why
16:29<Decipherfrombefore>the enet cable was plugged in this PC
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16:29<simonrvn>start at layer 8, then go directly to layer 1. do not pass go, do not collect 200$
16:29<tcsetattr>you've only got one cable and you're switching it back and forth?
16:30<Decipherfrombefore>sadly, yes. But its controlled lol. this isnt causing the problem, trust me.
16:30<Decipherfrombefore>my router blew up one day last week
16:30<tcsetattr>you are full of surprises :)
16:30<Decipherfrombefore>arnt i xD
16:30<simonrvn>(you know why layer 8 first if you're familiar with the osi layer model)
16:31<simonrvn>Decipherfrombefore: damn, that is teh suckage
16:31<lupine_85>funny, I thought the OSI model had 7 layers? Or is that the joke?
16:31<Decipherfrombefore>i know
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16:31<z0rK>hi, at the first step on the installation process I got an error: couldn´t mount cd, wanna try again?, and the cd is inside and the whole stuff
16:31<tcsetattr>ok, if you're trying to use the same cable modem connection on 2 computers without a router, I can easily see why your ISP would refuse to assign an address to the second computer while it thinks the first one is still connected!
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16:31<simonrvn>lupine_85: yes
16:32[~]tcsetattr listens
16:32<Decipherfrombefore>the cable was plugged in for like 4 hours
16:32<simonrvn>!tell lupine_85 -about pebkac
16:32<Decipherfrombefore>and it didnt work
16:32<Decipherfrombefore>i plugged it in here
16:32<Decipherfrombefore>to ask for help
16:32<lupine_85>simonrvn: oh... /that/ layer 8 :D
16:32<simonrvn>lupine_85: ;)
16:33<lupine_85>of course, there's only one bugfix for problems at that layer of the OSI model
16:33<Decipherfrombefore>so any ideas guys?
16:33<tcsetattr>so anyway, your first computer is connected, and has an IP address. then you just yank the cable and run over to the other computer. you didn't release the IP address. then your second computer asks for an IP address...
16:34<simonrvn>probably gets the same one, or not, depending
16:34<Decipherfrombefore>i really dont think so
16:34<lupine_85>a lot of cable companies tie you to one MAC address
16:34<lupine_85>try spoofing it
16:34<lupine_85>actually, that'd solve the dhcp lease not expired problem too
16:34<tcsetattr>even if it's not tied to oen MAC address... it is probably limited to one at a time!
16:34<Decipherfrombefore>your right on that one
16:34<lupine_85>spoof the mac address, so it thinks both computers are the same computer.
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16:35<z0rK>debian installer does not recognizes the CD before install, the error msg is something like: couldn´t mount cd, wanna try again?
16:35<lupine_85>change the mac address
16:35<simonrvn>yeh, change it via ifconfig
16:35<z0rK>try macchanger
16:36<lupine_85>ifconfig eth0 hw ether <mac address>
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16:36<Decipherfrombefore>thanks for your help guys
16:36<Decipherfrombefore>i got to go
16:36<tcsetattr>ip link set eth0 pretty crazy setup we've got going
16:36<Decipherfrombefore>be back 2moro no doubt
16:36<lupine_85>ifconfig will tell you the MAC address of the interface on the working computer, and you just add it to that command and run it on the b0rken one
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16:36<tcsetattr>and he was surprised debian didn't handle his craziness automatically
16:37<Decipherfrombefore>Thats me
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16:37<Decipherfrombefore>Crazy debian guy
16:37<Decipherfrombefore>im a windows user. i used to GUI's and Installers
16:37<Decipherfrombefore>Thnx guys
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16:39<devsherif>What is the best "3d desktop effect" project for debian ?
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16:39<Jabka>how can i find where the packge file had installed ? (dpkg .. foo )
16:39<tcsetattr>that would be dpkg -L foo
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16:40<lupine_85>devsherif: get some lego and build some shadows for your windows ;)
16:42<devsherif>is beryl good with debian ?
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16:42<simonrvn>the question is, is beryl supported by your video card? ;)
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16:43<streuner>compiz-fusion is the new one
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16:45<devsherif>simonrvn: i think it is supported by my video card cause i run beryl on ubuntu with this video card
16:45<simonrvn>then you can run it in debian too
16:45<streuner>so why do you ask then?
16:45<devsherif>but when i search for the package in debian in the Synaptic manager i didnt found it....thats why i am asking if it is supported by debian or not
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16:47<simonrvn>it is, but looks like it's not in etch
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16:48<devsherif>simonrvn: ok i will try to get it packages....
16:48<simonrvn>!info beryl etch
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16:49<simonrvn>!+info compiz-fusion lenny
16:49<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
16:49<dpkg>Package 'compiz-fusion' does not exist.
16:49<simonrvn>!+info compiz lenny
16:49<dpkg>compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB
16:49<simonrvn>!+info compiz-fusion sid
16:49<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
16:49<dpkg>Package 'compiz-fusion' does not exist.
16:50<simonrvn>ffs, really, dpkg
16:50<streuner>compiz should be in lenny, but i dont know its compiz-fusion or not
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16:51<devsherif>i found compiz in my package manager and i am trying it now....
16:52<devsherif>but i hear that beryl is better , what is your openion about that ?
16:52<simonrvn>i haven't used either, so i don't have a good one other than it's just eye candy
16:53<streuner>beryl and compiz joined togehter
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16:54<Stephim>Need help about the paquage lsb_release
16:54<Stephim>indeed, i got an issue when i'm using it
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16:56<Stephim>i get an error (see ). i tried to remove with apt-get --purge remove lsb-release and then install.. but same issue .. i'm using Debian/etch 4.0r1
16:57<Stephim>do you have the same problem ? or maybe how to fix it
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17:08<devsherif>how can i open ports in my firewall in debian ?
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17:08<streuner>!closing ports
17:08<dpkg><greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up.
17:09[~]EmleyMoor strokes greycat
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17:10<streuner>i guess with iptables
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17:10<streuner>but keep in mind, there is no FW in debian by default enabled
17:11<streuner>so if you open a port, just install the package (app) for that
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17:12<streuner>devsherif: besides, that question make no sense at all, just ask with more details
17:12<devsherif>streuner: thanks. i will try that
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17:13<litage_>i've just built a perl cpan module into a .tar.gz , but am not sure where it should be extracted to. all of the module's files are within a single directory, User-Utmp-1.8/ . should i extract it to.... /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/ or /usr/lib/perl5/ or ...?
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17:14<tcsetattr>if you have a perl module in .tar.gz form, that's probably the source code, not an installable "package"
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17:16<litage_>tcsetattr: ah, i think you're right, cuz i see in the .tar.gz's contents =)
17:17<tcsetattr>I don't know what you mean by you "built" the .tar.gz, usually we just download those :)
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17:17<streuner>and use dh-make-perl to make a package :-)
17:18<litage_>streuner: yeah i've been trying to get dh-make-perl to work, but it keeps failing to build the package
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17:19<litage_>streuner: should ``dh-make-perl --build --cpan MODULE_NAME'' be run as root or non-root?
17:19<streuner>most likely that another package missing :-)
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17:19<streuner>it wouldnt hurt
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17:21<streuner>but just ask in channel, tcsetattr has prolly more experiences...
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17:23<tcsetattr>no, I'm a rebel. I install things that aren't in the form of debian packages, following the upstream READMEs!
17:23<sathia>Hello tcsetattr, do you remember my problem?
17:23<tcsetattr>I know what /usr/local is and I *use* it! Hide the children!
17:23<litage_>i set $DH_VERBOSE=1 and then tried to build a perl module-package with ``sudo dh-make-perl --build --cpan user::utmp''. however, the errors that occur don't look like missing packages:
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17:24<tcsetattr>and no, I don't remember sathia's problem
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17:24<sathia>it was the autonegotiation nic
17:24<tcsetattr>oh with all the carrier errors on the ethernet
17:24<sathia>Just passed by to let you know what it was
17:25<sathia>I've got this answer from the thecnicians
17:25<sathia>"We guess that the problem is caused by the fact that our switch is on
17:25<sathia>locked /FDX. The clients server want to auto-sensing. We have set our
17:25<sathia>port on auto-sensing. Connection has done 100/FDX negotiation. Probaliy
17:25<sathia>this has fixed the problem"
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17:25<sathia>now it works correctly...
17:25<sathia> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
17:25<sathia> RX packets:31007198 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
17:25<sathia> TX packets:28174809 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
17:26<sathia>thank you very much
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17:29<sathia_>ooops, I lost my connection
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17:35<user111>i recently updated my debian, and now ping command is really slow, about 6seconds before it starts to reply
17:36<streuner>what happens if you use numeric IP?
17:36<user111>works perfect with ip
17:37<streuner>DNS server is slow then, just put the domain into /etc/hosts :-P
17:38<user111>i see
17:38<user111>how can i find what dns server im using?
17:39<streuner>dig | grep -i server
17:39<streuner>or just cat /etc/resolv.conf
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17:41<user111>ok,i put new dns server, looks like its solved the problem
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17:47<user111>i just found user nobody running command find, is someone hacking my debian?
17:47<azeem>user111: probably it's a routine cronjob
17:47<azeem>is cron.daily or cron.weekly or so running?
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17:54<user111>cron.daily has this find script
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17:55<streuner>as we said before, "nobody" is just foo who running a service like cron job for you...
17:55<streuner>nothing strange about...
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17:56<user111>someone hacked me before, put running script on my debian
17:58<user111>and now recently i saw perl running as www-data, 2 at a time
17:58<user111>how can i find who is doing that?
17:58<lupine_85>just think, someone might be accessing a perl script from your web service
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17:59<lupine_85>check your weblogs
17:59<user111>im using php
17:59<user111>not perl
17:59<user111>not that i know of
17:59<lupine_85>so check your weblogs
17:59<user111>but im also running webmin
17:59<lupine_85>oh, cool
17:59<streuner>without PERL it would be very hard to run Debian at all...
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17:59[~]lupine_85 haxxors user111
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18:00<lupine_85>neat pr0n collection
18:00<dpkg>[webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
18:00<lupine_85>isn't webmin all perl, anyway?
18:01<lupine_85>"The web server and all CGI programs are written in Perl version 5, and use no non-standard Perl modules."
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18:14<padski>lupine_85: but sum inna-perl4 stylie :-)
18:16<padski>and dondelelcaro has a point, but I've yet to see anything better.
18:17<lupine_85>the problem with webmin, I think, is that it lets idiots administer servers
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18:17<padski>do they have money ?
18:17<lupine_85>I used it when I couldn't figure out how to configure an ftp by myself
18:17<lupine_85>long time ago. I am, of course, incredi1337 these days
18:18<padski>the good thing about webmin, is that (philosphically at least) it respects the text config files
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18:19<padski>if you need to make a web interface available to a less involved user, and still be able to use the underlying system to its full flexibility then you need something like this
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18:20<lupine_85>nah, you want to refactor the entire system to use XML
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18:20<padski>how you do it is a good question, and the historical unix text file style sucks when you get up to the next level
18:20<dondelelcaro>the real problem with webmin is that it's not modular, and it doesn't really handle configuration files completely
18:21<padski>not because there is something wrong with the format, but because every file has it's own format.
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18:21<dondelelcaro>the latter aspect means that it has a possibility of breaking and is almost impossible for someone to maintain
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18:23<padski>it is modular, and no, of course it doesn't really handle them completely (what did you expect) but it comes a damn site closer than most stuff. agree maintenance nightmare. that is probably why it is still not in debian.
18:24<padski>but you can't expect complete coverage of config files. at least, when I teach apache a new option, I'll be overwhelmed if webmin just knows ;-)
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18:25<padski>but you can generally define safe operations over a subset and respect the config
18:25<dondelelcaro>it's not particularly modular, actually.
18:25<dondelelcaro>part of its problem is that it started out by rewriting lots of existing mdoules to avoid external dependencies
18:26<padski>it needs to be a two-way-street --- a loosely coupled system -- or it won't work
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18:31<padski>I grant you the code is a raft of old stuff, and probably there are large parts that need rewriting. the built-in web-server terrifies me :-) but it has a sound basis, which so many miss -- which has to be open integration with the system
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18:32<p0rnflaKE>!dpkg usb
18:32<padski>dondelelcaro: what would you use instead of webmin ?
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18:33<lupine_85>vi? :p
18:34<padski>lupine_85: vim ;-)
18:34<padski>lupine_85: I am getting soft in my old age :-)
18:35<dondelelcaro>padski: an editor
18:35<padski>what can I use instead of webmin ?
18:36<dondelelcaro>the problems that webmin has are the same problems that pretty much any program in that class is going to have
18:36<padski>dondelelcaro: what can my well-intentioned, web-addicted, editor-averse friends use ?
18:37<dondelelcaro>padski: to do what?
18:37[~]dondelelcaro personally doesn't let his friends admin his machines; if they need to do specific things there are scripts and/or database frontends that handle it
18:38<padski>dondelelcaro: please elaborate on those problems
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18:39<padski>dondelelcaro: admin is a term that implies less that complete ownership/control. that is what I need :-)
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18:39<dondelelcaro>padski: destruction of configuration files, generating non-working configurations, inability to correctly handle options which it isn't aware of, etc.
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18:39<bahamat>I need a sanity check...can someone who is running bind9 tell me if you have any problems looking up the SOA for
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18:42<padski>bahamat: where you get that one ?
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18:42<lupine_85>for 'admin' I prefer hacked-together scripts
18:43<tcsetattr>; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> soa
18:43<tcsetattr>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
18:43<dondelelcaro>you want the SOA for, presumably
18:44<tcsetattr>true. but that's not what he asked :)
18:44<tcsetattr>timeout isn't the response I'd expect in any case
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18:44<bahamat>dondelelcaro: actually I don't, because delegates the NS for to a different set of servers
18:44<padski>I can't ping any of ns7{345}
18:45<bahamat>I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't *my* dns servers that were fsck'd up
18:45<tcsetattr>it's them. some kind of bastard packet filter dropping SOA requests
18:46<sathia_>tcsetattr, did you answered me before? my connection dropped so i didn't see anything
18:46<padski>bahamat: is this spam related ?
18:46<tcsetattr>did you ask any questions? I saw <sathia> TX packets:28174809 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 which I guess means everything's fine
18:46<bahamat>padski: no, I have customers asking why they can't get to statefarm
18:47<sathia_>yes that's it
18:47<tcsetattr>I can't look up the SOA, but I _can_ get the A record
18:47<tcsetattr>AAAA times out too, so ipv6 clients are gonna have a problem
18:47<sathia_>I just wanted let you know that it was fixed from your help (and others too)
18:47<bahamat>tcsetattr: yea, me too, but when my users go to the website they're getting a 20s wait
18:48<tcsetattr>that sounds about right for ipv6 lookup timing out, falling back on ipv4
18:48<bahamat>tcsetattr: interestingly enough, if you query the NS that www is delegated to for NS records, that gets filtered too
18:48<padski>bahamat: ok, just worrying on something of my own account, but it is not related
18:48<bahamat>they seem to be blocking everything except A records, which is weird
18:48<tcsetattr>some moron firewall author must have thought dropping everything but A queries was a good idea
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18:50<padski>anyways, where were we ?
18:50<tcsetattr>sadly, the correct contact point for reporting such problems is listed in the SOA record :)
18:51<padski>tcsetattr: I suspect you are mistaken
18:52<bahamat>tcsetattr: I'm sure that will be able to pass it on to the appropriate person.
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18:53<bahamat>well, thanks guys. I'm glad to know I'm not crazy
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18:55<padski>bahamat: forgot to mention, #debian is not a psychiatrist and advice given here ... aw wtf
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18:55<padski>dondelelcaro: you don't like webmin
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19:02<padski>I'm thinking to integrate my irc presence with my logon. that way I can be a burden on mankind from the second I logon to the second I logoff. any suggestions ?
19:04<padski>guess I better go learn how to use screen better then
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19:05<padski>what is the hot game on debian right now ?
19:05<padski>debian xchat has both debian and xchat as typos on my installation :-)
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19:08<padski>"destruction of configuration files, generating non-working configurations, inability to correctly handle options which it isn't aware of" in webmin these are bugs, in many other systems, these are features
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19:21<RudyParra>alguém sabe me dizer o nome do servidor que tá o pessoal de Minas Gerais?
19:21<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:23<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:25<litage_>when building a package with dpkg-buildpackage, how do you set the maintainer's name and email address? it keeps using <username@hostname>
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19:25<litage_>i've tried using -e'Nick Hoffman <>' as well as -m and export DEBNAME and DEBEMAIL, but those args/env vars aren't being used
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19:28<lupine_85>litage_: doesn't it get them from the changelog?
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19:29<litage_>lupine_85: if it does, what's the point of dpkg-buildpackage's -e and -m args?
19:30<lupine_85>not a clue
19:30<kantor>hi, I have installed debian etch, and I can play multiple sounds at he same time, my sound card can not do hardware mixing, so it must to use some software mixing program, my question is : where is the asoundrc file because it's not in my home dir. or in the /etc folder
19:31<kantor>(dmix is not installed )
19:32<bzed>kantor: dmix is just the default
19:32<bzed>and shipped with alsa
19:32<bzed>OR you're using KDE and it's sound daemon
19:32<bzed>or both at the same time
19:32<bzed>or some other sound daemon
19:32<dondelelcaro>litage_: those override changelog and control, respectively
19:32<kantor>I'm using gnome
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19:33<lupine_85>esd then :/
19:33<lupine_85>esd ftl
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19:33<dondelelcaro>litage_: but those are passed to genchanges, which possibly isn't where you were expecting them to be overridden.
19:33<kantor>bzed, so if I install alsa dmix is always installed ?
19:34<kantor>if I install it from a deb package
19:34<dondelelcaro>litage_: so the control still has the original maintainer, but the changes file does not.
19:35<litage_>dondelelcaro: ah, gotcha. that makes sense
19:35<kantor>but how can I stop the softawre mixing /
19:35<dondelelcaro>litage_: what DEBNAME and DEBEMAIL really influence is dch, bts, and other things which want to figure out who you are
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20:04<Guest2713>which was the command for packet searching_
20:05<Guest2713>i think it was apt cache-seach or something right???
20:05<gsimmons>!tell Guest2713 -about search
20:06<stroyan>Guest2703: Packet search or package searching?
20:06<Guest2713>apt about-search++
20:06<Guest2713>package searching
20:06<Guest2713>i need y find a package under a name
20:07<stroyan>Guest2703: "apt-cache search" is good for finding a package by keyword. "apt-file search" is good for finding a package that provides a file.
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20:07<weasel>or just go to
20:08<Guest2713>thank you very much my friend
20:10<Guest2713>another question
20:10<Guest2713>do you know if i can find a VMWARE(virtual machine) package???
20:11<weasel>yes. no.
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20:11<Guest2713>do you know what the virtual machine is for_>????????
20:14<gonzaga>Hi, anybody can help-me in the instalation of my webcam?
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20:15<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
20:16<lupine_85>bah. gonzaga: it'll probably (although not with certainty) be supported by the gspca kernel module (which you have to build for yourself; m-a a-i gspca after installing module-assistant). it's accessed as a V4l device, so make sure that's installed
20:16<dpkg>[v4l] video for linux.
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20:19<mikegrb>weasel: fix apt-spy, plzkthxbi
20:19<gonzaga>when i dig. lsusb the answer is "Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0ac8:305b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp."
20:19<bighornram>what is a ripper for mp3/ aac? commandline tool?
20:20<mikegrb>btw, in seems broken
20:20<lupine_85>sox can do most things
20:21<gonzaga>anybody know where can i to do the download of the drive for this chip?
20:21<gonzaga>"us 002 Device 003: ID 0ac8:305b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp."
20:21<gonzaga>"bus 002 Device 003: ID 0ac8:305b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp."
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20:22<tcsetattr>that might be supported by the spca5xx driver, gonzaga
20:22<Guest2713>do you know if i can find a VMWARE(virtual machine) package???
20:22<lupine_85>tcsetattr: doesn't gspca do all that spca5xx does?
20:22<Guest2713>do you know what the virtual machine is for_>????????
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20:22<tcsetattr>I dunno, I'm just coughing up search results here
20:23<lupine_85>yeah, it's a rewrite of spac5xx by the original author
20:23<lupine_85>and that webcam looks like it's supported
20:23<lupine_85>so happy days all round
20:23<tcsetattr>sure, get gspca. I've never even attempted to use a webcam before, I just googled and pasted the first thing I found.
20:24<gonzaga>i try, but don't serch any result.
20:24<tcsetattr>apt-cache search gspca
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20:25<lupine_85>it only comes in source form. so you use module-assistant to build it.
20:25<lupine_85>the actual package is called gspca-source
20:26<tcsetattr>actually when I apt-cache search it I get lots of matches that seem to be already-compiled versions of it
20:27<gonzaga>do you say the url for download?
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20:28<lupine_85>hey; you're right. I'm getting confused with spca5xx (which doesn't have precompiled modules)
20:28<lupine_85>gonzaga: apt-get install gspca-modules-`uname -r`
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20:34<haseo>I am having problems with X it says that nvidia module is not recognice but when i do modinfo nvidia it returns, and now i cannot get X to go, can anyone help me?
20:35<lupine_85>haseo: how did you install the nVidia driver?
20:35<haseo>i msg dpkg with the one liner installer something like this
20:36<haseo>and then used module assistant auto install nvidia
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20:37<lupine_85>can you pastebin the Xorg.0.conf ?
20:38<haseo>lupine_85 i am not that good... in console :)
20:39<lupine_85>you can temporarily get a GUI back by modifying /etc/X11/xorg.conf (nano is an easy editor) to read Driver "nv" rather than Driver "nvidia"
20:40<haseo>i see :)
20:40<lupine_85>incidentally, did you install nvidia-glx ?
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20:41<chealer>haseo: use the nv driver
20:41<lupine_85>because you need that
20:41<lupine_85>(it contains /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ which is the X server component of the nvidia driver)
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20:42<haseo>lupine_85 yes
20:42<haseo>lupine_85 the one liner installer had it
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20:43<lupine_85>hmm. And what's the graphics card?
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20:43<lupine_85>(and version of nvidia driver installed)
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20:47<haseo>100.11 i dont remember well
20:48<lupine_85>if it's an oldish card, it's outside possible that nvidia have dropped support for your card in that series
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20:49<camilo>hello, first, how can i change my nick name?
20:50<haseo>lupine_85 my card is an nvidia Gfore 7300 GT
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20:50<lupine_85>eh, probably not that then
20:50<lupine_85>can't do anything more without the log, really
20:50<lupine_85>camilo: /nick <yournick>
20:50<haseo>lupine_85 ill get the x up :3
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20:54<pibe86>lupine_85 thanks
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20:54<pibe86>how can i install the last kernel in debian lenny test ?
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20:55<lupine_85>metapackage linux-image-2.6 will pull in the latest 2.6 kernel for you#
20:55<lupine_85>eh, -2.6-architecture
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20:56<lupine_85>I'm too tired to be doing this
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20:59<haseo>lupine_85 doing what? O.o
20:59<chealer>pibe86: there's only one Linux version in lenny.
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21:02<juan_>how do i make the ascii symbols work
21:02<juan_>i ve been having this problem since i installed debian
21:03<juan_>i would like to know please
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21:05<tcsetattr>sounds like another question from someone who doesn't know what "ascii" means
21:05<juan_>i know what it is
21:06<juan_>i dont think you should mock of me
21:06<juan_>you could just answer the questions
21:06<tcsetattr>why don't you explain which "ascii symbol" you have trouble with?
21:07<juan_>i can't reproduce any symbol
21:07<tcsetattr>note: this is the complete ascii set: !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~
21:07<tcsetattr>everything else is either a control character, or not ascii.
21:07<juan_>but tell me how to configure my keyboard properly
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21:09<juan_>tell me
21:09<tcsetattr>/etc/X11/xorg.conf contains the general keyboard layout. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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21:12<juan_>i have found the file
21:12<juan_>now tell me what should i do in order to configure it properly
21:12<tcsetattr>find the "XkbLayout" and put right country code there. for example mine contains this: Option "XkbLayout" "us"
21:12<juan_>Section "InputDevice"
21:12<juan_> Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
21:12<juan_> Driver "kbd"
21:12<juan_> Option "CoreKeyboard"
21:12<juan_> Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
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21:14<tcsetattr>bad day for him.
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21:57<iank>Hello all. Running lenny, I'd like to avoid the snd module loading on boot (at all, really).
21:57<iank>Is there a cleaner way to do this besides moving the module out of the way?
21:58<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>.
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21:59<dondelelcaro>though you may be getting into an XY problem
21:59<iank>Nah. I just don't want snd to load at boot.
21:59<iank>I know what I'm doing, otherwise :)
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22:27<derick>hi, any nfs gurus?
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22:29<dondelelcaro>best to just ask your question
22:29<derick>k, it's a bit complicated, so I'll just try and keep it simple
22:30<derick>I have a network server that has a hard drive mounted at /mnt/hd2
22:30<derick>from another machine I mount the root of the network server
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22:31<derick>from the remote machine, via NFS, if I cd to /mnt/hd2 of the network server, I see nothing there
22:32<crackity_jones>hello all
22:32<tcsetattr>as far as I know, NFS exports just one filesystem at a time.
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22:32<derick>what is the problem? I've searched and searched, but can't find out why I can't view another mounted drive even though I've mounted the root of the machine
22:32<tcsetattr>so you have to do the submounts explicitly if you want them
22:32<tcsetattr>but I've barely ever used NFS so don't count on me being right
22:33<dondelelcaro>derick: man exports; and read about nohide
22:33<dondelelcaro>(or mount them separately
22:34<crackity_jones>is there anyone that could help me with a networking problem?
22:34<crackity_jones>it would be much appreciated
22:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
22:35<crackity_jones>okay, thanks
22:35<crackity_jones>uh, well, my laptop has a intel 2200BG nic
22:35<crackity_jones>and i just can't figure out how to get the it detected...
22:36<crackity_jones>i've followed a lot of guides but it always ends with me downloading a package that requires some other package, and so on
22:36<derick>dondelelcaro: I'm betting you are right, that sounds like my problem. I've been thinking it was a permissions problem all along, and there it is, a exports issue!
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22:37<derick>dang! I'm going to have to try that out right now!
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22:41<navid>Quick question
22:41<navid>Is there like debian packages that i can download instead of downloading each libgail libpth ...etc.. speratly
22:42<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>
22:42<dondelelcaro>crackity_jones: see above.
22:42<crackity_jones>okay i'll give that a go
22:42<dondelelcaro>navid: what are you trying to do?
22:43<navid>well im trying to install gyiachi through automatix2,
22:43<navid>i keep getting an error
22:43<dondelelcaro>ugh. don't use automatix
22:43<Supaplex>automatix is the abomination of ubuntu
22:43<navid>No? how come.
22:44<navid>Its all over the ubuntu websites lol.
22:45<navid>I guess what i predicted was correct. I'll just manually install the programs listed in automatix2 because really, automatix is pretty slow
22:45<dondelelcaro>well, first off this is #debian. If you're not running Debian, you're in the wrong place. Second, automatix is a piece of crap which doesn't work with the underlying package management system on any distribution on which it runs
22:45<dondelelcaro>navid: finally, do you mean gyach?
22:45<navid>Isn't Ubuntu a debian based...oh crap sorry wrong room lol should be in ubuntu
22:45<Supaplex>yeah, and oh something about SIGKILL on dpkg causing very bad things to happen to the pkgmgmnt system
22:45<Supaplex>!tell navid -about based on debian
22:45<navid>Yes dondelelcaro
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22:46<dondelelcaro>navid: yeah, you probably want pidgin or whatever it's called now anyway
22:46<dondelelcaro>navid: but switch to and join #ubuntu
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22:46<navid>freenode, im there
22:46<navid>but, what is pidgin.
22:46<derick>dondelelcaro: So that's it, thanks so much for the help. crossmnt seemed to be the better option, but you've led me to the issue!!!!!
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22:46<dondelelcaro>it's what gaim used to be
22:47<iank>navid: pidgin is gaim
22:47<crackity_jones>how do i unpack it to lib/firmware?
22:47<dondelelcaro>crackity_jones: untar or unzip whatever it is, then move it appropriately.
22:47<crackity_jones>it says i do not have permission to put it in lib/firware
22:47<navid>iank, i have gaim. Is gaim better then gyachi
22:47<Supaplex>!tell crackity_jones -about grounding
22:47<dondelelcaro>navid: almost certainly
22:48<navid>Yes, i see now.
22:48<navid>Sorry guys, first week on linux :)
22:48<iank>hooray, a newbie
22:48<iank>quick, crush his spirit!
22:48<dondelelcaro>it's ok; you'll get your grounding soon enough.
22:48<navid>lol, nah. I've figured a lot alone.
22:49<navid>I used it for a bit couple years back for a few months so i know how it functions essentially
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22:50<derick>thanks again all! my first experience with debian irc was delightful!
22:50<crackity_jones>is there a command or something that i can put into the terminal to copy the files into lib/firmware using root user thingo?
22:51<Supaplex>yes crackity_jones
22:51<Supaplex>!tell crackity_jones about sudo
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23:12<crackity_jones>hoorah, iwconfig now shows a wireless interface
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23:16<lontra>hi is there a bug in testing that requries me to reset time to the proper time after i reboot?
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23:18<tcsetattr>no, you probably just have the wrong UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS
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23:20<lontra>tcsetattr: it says UTC=yes
23:20<lontra>tcsetattr: do i want that?
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23:22<tcsetattr>I don't know what you want. I would.
23:23<tcsetattr>UTC=no is used by people who dual-boot, because inferior operating systems interpret the hardware clock as local time
23:24<tcsetattr>if your clock error is not the same number of hours every boot, that's probably not it.
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