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---Logopened Fri Sep 07 00:00:06 2007
---Daychanged Fri Sep 07 2007
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00:00<dli>weasel, still, check whether your router knows the DNS, you should tell it the IPs
00:00<weasel>dli: go back and read.
00:00<_mark>weasel, actually, I was thinking obout doing that...
00:01<_mark>weasel, I read the link you sent me. It makes sense.
00:01<weasel>I didn't send you a link
00:01<ameyer>weasel: I was confirming that the router's WAN interface was semi-properly configured
00:01<litage_>i'm reading through the Debian Policy, looking for what permissions the control scripts (post{inst,rm}, pre{inst,rm}) should have, but not having much luck. anyone know off the top of their head?
00:01<ameyer>like I said, some routers can suck like that
00:01<_mark>Oh. must have been someone else. Anyway it tells how to 'tell' your system not to over write the /etc/resolv.conf file.
00:01<weasel>litage_: they are +x in a package I just checked
00:02<weasel>_mark: I told you to configure it that way in your dhcp client config.
00:02<litage_>weasel: some packages have them as 0644 and others as 0755
00:02|-|litage_ changed nick to litage|w
00:02<weasel>then it probably just doesn't matter :)
00:02<litage|w>heh true, but i like to do things to correct way
00:02<_mark>weasel, I must not have seen that message from you. My apologies. could you elaborate?
00:03<weasel>Fri 06:06:59 <weasel> you can disable that in etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
00:03<weasel>that was an hour ago
00:03<weasel>I can't believe I wasted an hour on this already
00:03<_mark>Ok. I'll try that.
00:03<weasel>just don't ask for nameserver stuff I guess
00:04<litage|w>hrm, next question! should i use ``dpkg-deb -b'' or ``dpkg-buildpackage'' to build my package?
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00:06<weasel>debuild -rfakeroot -uc -us
00:06<_mark>weasel, thanks. This looks like what I needed. A question though... My dhclient.conf is actually a "dummy" file with a bunch of options commented out. When you say "don't ask for nameserver stuff" do you mean I should add "reject <nameserver>" (uncommented) to the file?
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00:07<EmleyMoor>I have just overcome the problem that was making apache2 a pain to start at boot time... now how do I reenable it starting then?
00:07<weasel>I don't think you want "reject"
00:07<tcsetattr>uncomment the "request" stuff, and then remove all the "domain-*" things from it
00:08<weasel>EmleyMoor: how did you disable it?
00:08<_mark>weasel, I see a segment under alias that says "fixed address <nameserver>" that might be it...
00:08<EmleyMoor>weasel: I don't remember - it was months ago - typed some command that removed the link from /etc/rc.something (but it wasn't a simple rm)
00:08<weasel>are you just guessing?
00:08<weasel>or are you reading the manpage too?
00:08<weasel>EmleyMoor: I see
00:09<_mark>It's to late in the evening for that! My brian is barely on auto-pilot!
00:09<weasel>EmleyMoor: does ls /etc/rc*/*apache2 show any hits?
00:09<weasel>_mark: then do it tomorrow
00:09<_mark>You're probably right. Thanks for the help though.
00:09<EmleyMoor>weasel: Yes... K09 in 0, 1, 6. S91 in 3-5.
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00:11<n3x>are there any PRECOMPILED KERNELS that use 1000 timer frez
00:12<tcsetattr>n3x And His Kernel is my favorite sitcom
00:12<weasel>EmleyMoor: copy the S91 from 3 into 2
00:12<weasel>EmleyMoor: cp -av rc3.d/S91apache2 rc2.d
00:12<n3x>heh omg tcsetattr ive tried to compile it so many times, with help from alot of people
00:12<n3x>and still fails
00:12[~]Deltantor grabs a bag of popcorn
00:13<n3x>so mr talented tcsetattr can you help me
00:14<tcsetattr>not unless you've got access to a console where you can see why it fails
00:15<tcsetattr>there are people who read what the comptuer tells them, and there are people who make random guesses. I'm not the random guessing type
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00:16<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: Check the value of NO_START within your /etc/default/apache2 file.
00:16<n3x>my datacenter dosnt offer that they offer reboot or reformat
00:17<EmleyMoor>NO_START=0 so that's OK
00:17<weasel>EmleyMoor: did you do what I told you?
00:18<EmleyMoor>weasel: Yes
00:18<tcsetattr>then you are a random guessy person and that's why you fail
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00:19<weasel>EmleyMoor: great. you're set then.
00:19<n3x>i like you
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00:20<tcsetattr>I don't know what you've been doing wrong. usually after the first few guesses you get lucky :)
00:20<EmleyMoor>weasel: Are you a warmer-conditions version of iceweasel? <g>
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00:20<n3x>im pissed this datacenter dosnt offer that shit for me
00:20[~]weasel gives EmleyMoor first price for lame comment
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00:21<n3x>i need some smoke
00:22<EmleyMoor>Repairs and spare disks time tonight/tomorrow morning I think
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00:24<Deltantor>Hi guys, im starting googleearth after installing the proprietary ati drivers and am getting
00:24<Deltantor>Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
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00:24<Deltantor>when i try to start google earth from the terminal
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00:25<Deltantor>any idea whats wrong?
00:25<EmleyMoor>I knew there was something else...
00:25<tcsetattr>you don't have the DRI module loaded?
00:25<EmleyMoor>Since last night, the Desktop -> Lock Screen option has been inoperative - why would that happen?
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00:25<tcsetattr>DRI has a "kernel part" and a "X server part". you need them both enabled in order to use it.
00:26<jm_>do closed source ATI drivers provide DRI at all?
00:26<Deltantor>i followed to get it set up
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00:28<Deltantor>The only mention of dri in xord.conf is "Load "dri"" under the module section
00:28<Deltantor>what else do i need?
00:28<tcsetattr>what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say about it?
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00:30<Deltantor>k, i found
00:30<Deltantor>(WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************
00:30<Deltantor>(WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! *
00:30<Deltantor>(WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
00:30<Deltantor>(WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) *
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00:30<tcsetattr>the b0ts rule the channel, and they are foul-tempered.
00:30<Deltantor>so i see
00:30<tcsetattr>is the kernel modules listed by lsmod?
00:32<Deltantor>i dont see any mention of DRI by lsmod
00:34<Deltantor>hmm, lsmod does mention nvidia_agp 8348 1
00:34<Deltantor>agpgart 31664 1 nvidia_agp
00:34<Deltantor> but im using an ati card
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00:35<Deltantor>hmm, i ran fglrxinfo and get
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00:36<Deltantor>OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project:
00:36<Deltantor>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
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00:59<Lustmord>Hey, is anyone here using avant window navigator?
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01:00<Haseo>i don"t know
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01:35<litage|w>is /etc/modutils/ still being used in Etch?
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01:37<litage|w>Lustmord: any reason why the directory wouldn't exist after a fresh install?
01:37<Lustmord>No idea
01:39<tcsetattr>you might have modutils, with an old kernel, but not with 2.6
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01:40<jm_>litage|w: not with 2.6
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01:42<litage|w>tcsetattr: so /etc/modutils/ shouldn't be used in Etch with a 2.6 kernel?
01:43<tcsetattr>the 2.6 modprobe will look in /etc/modprobe.d instead
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01:46<seanius>or create /etc/modprobe.conf for your own config
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02:05<Renan>hey all.
02:05<Renan>someone also installed compiz fusion in his debian?
02:06<Lustmord>I think you're missing a noun
02:07<Renan>i just think i'm drunk, but ok.
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02:07<Renan>Lustmord, already u have used compiz fusion on debian?
02:08<Lustmord>I use Beryl, not compiz fusion
02:08<Renan>i've tried to install beryl but i didnt find a repository with itt
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02:09<Renan>how can I do it Lustmord ?
02:10<Lustmord>There's actually an application, similar to Automatix that just requires you to check the box next to Beryl and click "Start"
02:11<Renan>Lustmord, whats the app?
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02:14<Birch_>Sorry, your search gave no results
02:15<Birch_>Is there a beryl package ?
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02:23<gsimmons>Birch_: Third-party packages for Etch are available from <>.
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02:25<losememory>for me, beryl and compiz have many problem
02:26<losememory>better don't use them
02:26<Lustmord>Pretty much
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02:27<losememory>but if i want to use debain have package
02:27<losememory>i see in apt-cache search beryl
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02:31<Birch_>..more fun than a beryl of monkeys
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02:31<Birch_>If it crashes kde, I can simply remove them
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02:41<Birch_>Hmm, "launch fallback windows manager if beryl crashed" I guess that screen flicker is beryl crashing and kwin refreshing.
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03:25<schallstrom>hi, i'm having some problems with apache2 and mod_chroot on etch. first of all 'apache2ctl restart' does not work any more
03:26<schallstrom>but i set up the symlink for the pid file like described in
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03:46<berat>i cant find a version of libdvdread2 on
03:46<berat>any suggestion to find this package
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03:47<berat>hmmm ?
03:47<jm_>libdvdread3 is current
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03:48<berat>mancoder-custom gives a dependency warning for libdvdread2
03:49<berat>what about thi warning
03:49<jm_>use mencoder from d-m
03:50<dpkg>it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
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03:52<berat>i i added debian-multimedia
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03:54<tony>i'm having a heck of a time resolving names, any suggestions? how do i tweak resolve.conf? do i have to?
03:55<weasel>deja vu
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03:56<petemc>tony: resolv.conf
03:56<jm_>zeroconf crap perhaps?
03:57<weasel>petemc: define "heck of a time"
03:57<petemc>why ask me?
03:57<weasel>wrong nick
03:57<tony>how do i add lines to resolve.conf? is there any utility for that?
03:57<weasel>tony: try again once you can describe your problem
03:57<weasel>"heck of a time" is as sucky for an error description as it can get
03:58<jm_>don't forget to verify nsswitch.conf as well
03:58<weasel>it's right there with "nothing works"
03:58<tony>weasel: iceweasel, xchat, are taking a while to resolve.
03:58<weasel>"getent hosts <hostname>"
03:58<weasel>does that take a while too?
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03:59<tony>getent hosts, 30 sec
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04:00<weasel>cat /etc/resolv.conf will show you the nameservers you are using. Try dig @<nameserver ip address> <hostname> for each of the nameservers. do they all take ages? or only the first? or...?
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04:01<tony>i'm using the default only in resolve.conf, i.e., the external ip of the modem
04:01<weasel>only one nameserver entry?
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04:01<weasel>did you try the dig?
04:02<tony>no, i will now
04:05<tony>dig @ (internal ip in resolv.conf) gives connection timed out; no servers could be reached
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04:05<tony>should i add public name servers here?
04:05<tony>dont want to mess having my own dns server
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04:09<weasel>fix your modem, or use your ISP's nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
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04:10<tony>how do i find my isps nameservers? how do i determine whats wrong with my modem? (thanks)
04:10<tarzeau>umf, on sid, sparc-utils and util-linux wants to write /usr/bin/sparc32. a missing conflicts?
04:10<tarzeau>should i force remove the essential util-linux, for being able to install xserver-xorg?
04:13<losememory>tony, try this dns if you don't know ur isp dns. it's open dns
04:13<tony>thanks losememory
04:13<weasel>don't use open nameservers
04:14<weasel>they will just make your stuff slow
04:14<weasel>use your isp's.
04:14<weasel>if you don't know, call them
04:14<jm_>tony: you can't call their customer support line and ask about it?
04:14<weasel>or check their website
04:14<tony>did some whois and got some answers
04:14<seanius>in soviet russie your slow stuff makes nameservers open
04:14<yang>tony: then you can figure out which are your ISP dns's dig <> ns
04:14<yang>tony: and put those entries into resolv.conf
04:14<weasel>yang: ouch.
04:15<weasel>this might work, but today it usually doesn't
04:15<weasel>recursors are not the same as authoritative nameservers for a domain
04:15<tony>thanks yang and evereybody, i'm in the right short path
04:15<weasel>or, put differently, if your isp is any good yang's approach won't work
04:15<tony>weasel; why?
04:15<yang>tony: your ISP website might tell you which DNS servers to use
04:15<weasel>I just explained that
04:16<tony>weasel, what do yu suggest
04:16<weasel>call them or check the website
04:16<weasel>I already told you
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04:16<madduck>does anyone have one of those conexant accessrunner modems and would be willing to pass the firmware to me, please?
04:16<madduck>i need to connect to such a modem and we cannot find the bloody CD
04:17<madduck>CnxEtU.sys or cxacru-fw.bin are the files.
04:17<madduck>yes, this is illegal. yes, conexant sucks.
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04:23<seanius>lol madduck your modem has an os
04:23<madduck>seanius: very funny, you muppet. it's not my modem. :)
04:23<ErJeDi>modem ...... an os? will be router not modem
04:23<ErJeDi>or modem router :)
04:24<ErJeDi>the modem itself does not contain any os
04:24<madduck>someone? please?
04:24[~]madduck goes to #gentoo
04:24<madduck>seanius: yeah, i have no cd
04:24<ErJeDi>what happen madduck?
04:24<seanius>madduck: yeah that was for ErJeDi , sry
04:25<seanius>madduck: everything a lazy googling finds me is either about gentoo or/and in italian
04:25<ErJeDi>madduck, you have the cd cable connectors attached to ide or sata controllers
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04:25<ErJeDi>it's rare :D
04:25<ErJeDi>the cd fails only if no controller cable is atached to the controller
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04:26<ErJeDi>in other case the cd will be working good :)
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04:28<ErJeDi>seanius, the accessrunner is a modem router not a modem :D
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05:40<tony>what process updates resolv.conf? I have added some lines, and discover a few minutes later that they have been deleted.
05:41<petemc>dhcp, usually
05:41<das|wiesel>or ppp
05:41<tony>is there anyway of making the added lines permanent?
05:41<das|wiesel>(with option 'usepeerdns')
05:42<jm_>tell whatever is changing it to not do it
05:42<jm_>ugly hack would be to make the file immutable
05:42<vin`>or prepend the lines you want
05:42<tony>prepend ??
05:43<lupine_85>NetworkManager is ftl
05:43<lupine_85>and it spanks resolv.conf on a regular basis
05:45<das|wiesel>what means 'prepend'?
05:45<tony>i assume add to end of line
05:46<jm_>add at the beginning
05:46<jm_>no, that would be append
05:46<vin`>tony: man dhclient.conf, something like prepend domain-name-servers x.x.x.x; in dhclient.conf
05:46<tony>before nameserver word?
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05:47<jm_>tony: no, this is for dhclient.conf, not for resolv.conf
05:47<jm_>if its dhclient doing it
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05:52<tony>any advantage to using prepend statement rather than append?
05:52<jm_>yeah, resolver would try that nameserver before the non-working one, thus avoiding a timeout
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06:19<korny>are there any known issues with the proprietary ati kernel module and kernel ?
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06:35<praktikant>I get CIFS VFS: Send error in SessSetup = -13 CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -13 from dmesg when I try to mount cifs. Both client and server are etch, with smbfs it works fine
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06:41<Aleric>There was an application that allows to forward a port over a tty connection... I can't remember the name. Anyone?
06:41<Aleric>I believe it contains the word 'term'
06:41<jm_>you mean tcp/ip over serial?
06:41<Aleric>no that wasn't it
06:42<Aleric>You log in on a remote account, and start some application.
06:42<Aleric>Then you start someone else on your end, and it uses the connection to create a link like ssh -L
06:42<korny>ssh -X ?
06:42<jm_>we used termify and slirp for that, no ssh needed ;)
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06:44<Aleric>I was using ssh -L, but the admin disabled that. He's an asshole imho. I asked him weeks ago to fix a firewall, and he said he'd do that. In the mean time i was using ssh -L. Now, instead of fixing the firewall, they also disabled ssh -L :/
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06:44<jm_>termnet: usr/bin/termnet
06:44<Aleric>I mailed again, weeks later thus, to fix the damn firewall and asking why ssh -L was blocked - and he tells me "maybe it would better for you if you don't slam on the table so hard" .....
06:45<Aleric>Hmm, also doesn't ring a bell.
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06:46<Aleric>termnet is a telnet
06:47<jm_>dunno, try slirp
06:47<jm_>but it's not quite the same
06:48<Aleric>I dont' have root on the other side obviously. Can I still use slirp?
06:48<jm_>yeah, and you start pppd localy - so that's why I am not quite sure if it will do what you want
06:49<Aleric>I just need one port.
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06:49<Aleric>I want to connect to localhost port X here, and then instead get a tcp/ip connection with localhost port X on the remote host, using ssh as link. However, I can't use ssh -L :/ The effect should be the same though.
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06:50<Aleric>I guess I could write something simple myself that connects to my machine and just passes everything back and forward...
06:50<jm_>nc -l -p ... | ssh foo | nc localhost ... ?
06:51<jm_>uhm without the last |
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07:04<Aleric>jm_: Thanks for the help! While testing nc, I discovered that the bnc wasn't running anymore (actually quite logical after a reboot) which is why I got the weird message from ssh -L :/ It said "Administratively prohibitted".
07:04<Aleric>So, it works again with ssh -L :*)
07:04<simonrvn>oops :)
07:05<Aleric>Now lets hope I didn't bring the admin of that box on ideas ;)
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07:06<netspirit>Hi! Does someone know if compiz unstable package is supposed to work on sid amd64 with a 7300Go nvidia card on a laptop and last nvidia official drivers please?
07:07<Aleric>I think so, at least for a while :p
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07:14<BlindBunny>Hi! I'm looking for help with the exim4 configuration on etch...
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07:16<BlindBunny>My /etc/aliases is ignored when setting the 'mailname' configuration option for exim4-config to anything other than the fully qualified hostname, which actually should be the FQDN for address qualification - weird.
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07:21<korny>hello again
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07:22<tuxub>hi, is it possible to know when (date+time) a command in .bash_history was executed?
07:22<korny>what arch is my "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+". I'm using it in 32 bit mode.
07:22<jm_>dpkg --print-rarchitecture
07:22<jm_>without typos ...
07:23<lupine_85>k8 or k7
07:23<jm_>tuxub: man bash, find HISTTIMEFORMAT
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07:23<korny>i386? isn't this the arch i'm currently using?
07:23<lupine_85>depending on context
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07:24<tuxub>jm_, ok, but by default in debian servers, is it enabled (command+date+time)?
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07:24<jm_>tuxub: I don't know, I'm not using bash
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07:25<tuxub>jm_, if it were the data and time would be in the .bash_history, right?
07:25<korny>lupine_85: context? i don't see the difference? K7 is too old and slow, but K8 is 64 bit ??
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07:26<jm_>tuxub: yes
07:26<tuxub>jm_, yes
07:26<lupine_85>korny: in the context of gcc optimisations, then you use k8. In the context of grabbing a 32-bit kernel image from the debian repos, you get k7
07:27<korny>the log-files have date+time, so in conjunction with the .bash_history you could guess the time when something was executed
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07:28<korny>lupine_85: so i'll get a 32bit kernel, even if i use k8?
07:28<lupine_85>there isn't a linux-image-k8
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07:29<lupine_85>oh, hang on
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07:29<lupine_85>there's a linux-image-amd64, which is 32-bit but compiled with k8 optimisations
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07:29<lupine_85>man, that's confusing :D
07:29<lupine_85>but yeah, if you install that while dpkg --print-architecture reports i386, it'll be a 32-bit kernel
07:29<korny>where are you searching?
07:30<lupine_85>Filename: pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64_2.6.21-6_i386.deb
07:30<korny>ahh linux-image is the magic word, i was looking for kernel-image ^^
07:31<lupine_85>unless that actually is 64-bit object code
07:31<korny>tahnk you
07:31<lupine_85>seems unlikely, though
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07:32<korny>what kernel-version was used to build that image?
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07:33<lupine_85>the one I linked: 2.6.21.
07:33<Deltantor>Hmm, i think im in love with linux.
07:33<lupine_85>(unstable kernel)
07:33<korny>linux-image-amd64 should be 2.6.18 ?
07:33<lupine_85>if you're in stable, then yeah
07:33<metalqga>mine is 2.6.18-5k7
07:34<korny>i'm intesting
07:34<lupine_85>then it should be .21?
07:34<lupine_85>it's been a while
07:34<lupine_85>(I use testing for most things, but not the kernel :) 0
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08:20<sArj>can i use synaptic as a package manager in Deb?
08:20<azeem>sArj: yes
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08:30<Seal>hi room, here is only english conversation?
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08:30<lupine_85>yep. There are lots of language-specific channels, though
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08:31<dpkg>from memory, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf und - German speaking users please go to (on and freenode)
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08:37<mike>Hi! Where I cen find _full_ Linux Kernel API?
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08:42<tweakt>/usr/src/linux/Documentation ?
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08:44<mike>There is no full docs in Linux source code.
08:44<lupine_85>it's engraved on the inside of linus torvald's eyelids
08:44<lupine_85>he only lets close friends see it
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08:46<mike>You mean it is impossible to find full docs?
08:47<lupine_85>they exist within L-space somewhere, I'm certain
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08:47<miksuh>mike: #apt-get install linux-doc-2.6.18
08:48<maxamillion>is the bot in here the same one that is on freenode?
08:49<mike>Which program is better: apt-get or aptitude?
08:50<thctlo2>none is better depends how you use it.
08:50<lupine_85>apitude is "smarter"
08:50<lupine_85>I prefer apt-get
08:50<thctlo2>me 2
08:50<maxamillion>mike: aptitude performs more dependency checking which is why i use it, but it tries to be too smart if you are running testing or unstable and can cause problems
08:50<thctlo2>apt + dpkg :D
08:51<maxamillion>thctlo2: apt != apt-get
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08:51<thctlo2>but thats easy, .. dont run unstable or testing , just stable
08:51<lupine_85>I'm running both :D
08:52<thctlo2>i only run stable, if i want to test yes, then testing, but i do rebuild from unstable to stable if needed
08:52<mike>Sometimes I use Synaptic. It is Convenient
08:53<tweakt>stable + backports FTW!
08:53<maxamillion>synaptic ultimately annoys me
08:53<thctlo2>synaptic is nice, i use it when im on gui . but 95% of my time im on console
08:54<thctlo2>FTW ?? whats that ?
08:54<tweakt>for the win... netspeak... sorry ;-)
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08:54<lupine_85>netspeak ftm
08:54<thctlo2>oh, nice i leaned something new :D
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08:55<maxamillion>actually ... alot of the extra features i used to fault apt-get for have now been included ... interesting
08:57<mike>miksuh: _Nothing_ about PCI in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.18/html/kernel-api ...
08:57<maxamillion>mike: what are you looking for/asking about PCI?
08:57<thctlo2>yeah , tell us. ;-)
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08:58<mike>Oh... I find it...
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08:58<thctlo2>tell us tell us tell us.. ;-)
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08:58<Tjerk>What is the dutch channel?
08:58<thctlo2>jij weer
08:58<mike>I'll try to write device driver for PCI card on PLX chip
08:58<dpkg>nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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08:59<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dc is how I spell cd, or direct current, or bc's backend, or 2b2b2b617468300d
08:59<maxamillion>lol ... i took a shot in the dark
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09:00<thctlo2>but mike need help ;-) i'm bussy doing nothing atm.. :D
09:00<flixil>Is there any noticeable difference in using a 2.4.x kernel instead of a 2.6.x kernel running kde? For example will it automount cdroms the same way?
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09:02<maxamillion>flixil: uhmm... i honestly can't promise this is true because its been many years since i used a 2.4 kernel but i think as long as there is a port of the automount tools to the 2.4 kernel you should be fine .... i believe DSL can automount cd's and it runs a 2.4 kernel
09:03<thctlo2>flixil : i dont know, just install a 2.6 kernel and try, if it doesnt work, reboot back to your old kernel.
09:03<petemc>flixil: which version of debian are you using?
09:03<maxamillion>flixil: out of curiosity, why do you want a 2.4 kernel? ... debian dropped support after sarge
09:05<flixil>petemc: stable
09:05<petemc>you should really be using 2.6 anyway
09:05<flixil>mmm... I'm using it
09:05<petemc>all good then
09:06<flixil>But long time ago i needed low latency + preemted kernel and i used 2.4.x so i asked
09:06<flixil>(long time ago is a year ago)
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09:15<nomeata>Hi. Is there a pam module that checks the ssh agent against .ssh/authorized_keys? I’d like to use it for sudo.
09:17<weasel>there is a pam module that checks if you know the passphrase to .ssh/id_rsa, but that's more than useless for sudo
09:17<weasel>(and of questionable security at other times)
09:17<maxamillion>nomeata: why do you need to know that, just add the user to the suders list
09:17[~]maxamillion is confused
09:18<nomeata>maxamillion: then I have to enter the user’s password (which I don’t like)
09:18<weasel>nomeata: nopasswd for sudoers?
09:18<nomeata>maxamillion: or allow usage without the password, with is less save
09:18<weasel>or add your key to root's authoritzed_keys
09:18<nomeata>weasel: it is, but I still would like sudo instead of ssh root@
09:18<nomeata>weasel: as it let’s me use my own environment
09:18<maxamillion>uhhh ... not to nit pick ... but i don't really advise what you are doing
09:19<maxamillion>no password isn't generally the best of ideas in my world
09:19<mikegrb>just get rid of root's password
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09:19<mikegrb>it's easy!
09:19<nomeata>it’s the user’s password, but still
09:19<weasel>mikegrb: you mean chmod u+s /bin/bash?
09:19<mikegrb>that too
09:19<weasel>mikegrb is my hero
09:19<mikegrb>that's even better
09:19[~]mikegrb dispenses cupcakes
09:20<nomeata>maxamillion: well, with the nopasswd option, if my user account on that machine is compromised, the attacker has root
09:20<vortex>\o/ woo
09:20<nomeata>maxamillion: with ssh key checking, he’d also have to compromise my own local machine
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09:20<weasel>nomeata: not if you are forwarding your agent.
09:21<weasel>nomeata: then they just need to compromise your user account on the target machine and wait for you
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09:21<nomeata>weasel: not if the key has timed out again
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09:21<nomeata>weasel: at least, theoretically, I could detect it locally
09:21<maxamillion>nomeata: yes, but you are still making it easier on the attacker
09:21<weasel>they aren't in a hurry. you will come to the machine eventually
09:21<nomeata>maxamillion: not easier than without any passwords
09:22<nomeata>(and only keys)
09:22<maxamillion>to each their own, i'm just too paranoid
09:22<nomeata>well, you do agree that passwords are bad and keys are the way to go
09:22[~]maxamillion notes his 16 character alpha-numeric LUKS password on his encrypted filesystem
09:22<nomeata>so assume I have no passwords on either, how do i use sudo?
09:23<maxamillion>nomeata: passwords aren't bad ... but bad passwords are bad
09:23<Maulkin>What's the issue with using passwords? I'm a bit confused here
09:23<seanius>passwords don't kill people, guns do
09:23<weasel>I thought that was politicians
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09:24<maxamillion>i can't type
09:24[~]maxamillion = fail
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09:24<weasel>it doesn't matter how you become root from your user account. if your user account is compromised so will the root account if you use it next time.
09:24<weasel>the only option to protect from this is to not become root from that user account.
09:24<seanius>you can take this password from my cold dead hands
09:24<seanius>you damned dirty apes
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09:24<weasel>seanius: well, I'm sure if the money was right...
09:25<nomeata>hmm. I agree.
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09:25<nomeata>but I still would prefer not to have to enter my password, but not use sudo’s nopassword option and use the keys instead
09:25<Maulkin>nomeata: I really don't see why you'd want to use a key rather than a password for sudo.
09:26<Maulkin>nomeata: would you mind explaining?
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09:26<nomeata>Maulkin: because the key is cached here locally, so I don’t have to type the password. and the user account could have no password at all, only allowing key logins.
09:26<weasel>maybe it's like silly people saying restricting ssh to keys makes it more secure.
09:27<weasel>there's nothing wrong with good passwords
09:27<Maulkin>nomeata: Take me through this from a user's point of view.
09:27<nomeata>weasel: but keys are more comfortable
09:27<weasel>yes, maybe. but stop saying they would be more secure
09:27<Maulkin>nomeata: AFAICT, you still have the equivilent of no passoword, or a password. I don't see how keys would make any difference to this.
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09:28<nomeata>Maulkin: currently, I log into the user with my key, without entering the password (the key is cached). i type sudo, and now I have to enter the user’s password.
09:28<nomeata>Maulkin: I’d like to have: I log into the user with my key, then type sudo and it detects that I have the key for root as well, not requiring a password
09:29<nomeata>weasel: it’s more secure than “nopasswd” from sudo
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09:29<weasel>not really.
09:29<weasel>not if you actually log into the machine eventually.
09:29<Maulkin>nomeata: Erm... right. Where is this 'root' key coming from?
09:29<nomeata>weasel: well, slightly more secure. the attacker doesn’t get the root account for free
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09:30<nomeata>Maulkin: its another (or the same) key in my keyring, mentionend in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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09:30<Maulkin>nomeata: can't you just "ssh user@host ssh root@host" with appropriate key forwarding?
09:31<nomeata>Maulkin: I can, but then I do not have my users environment, which is good on a machine where others use root as well, so I can’t just install my settings there.
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09:31<rjent>Greetings, would anyone be willing to help me out on an issue with quotas on a system?
09:31<nomeata>on machines where I’m the only root, ssh root@host is just fine. On others, sudo is great.
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09:34<alex__>where can i manually set my locale settings? the conf isnt working properly......
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09:36<Maulkin>rjent: Just ask.
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09:38<Maulkin>nomeata: I assume you want to check if your SSH_AUTH_SOCK has a key for ~root/.ssh/autohrized_keys ?
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09:38<Maulkin>If so: hacker gains user account and waits until you log in. He can then examine your SSH_AUTH_SOCK
09:39<nomeata>Maulkin: yes, but not just with ssh-add -l, but a full ssh key authorization
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09:39<nomeata>Maulkin: so that if the attacker tries to use the key, and I had added the key with ssh-add -c, I’d get notified
09:39<Maulkin>nomeata: but then the key would need to be in the account. Which is now comprimised.
09:40<rjent>Maulkin: I have a legacy suse9.3 system that quotas are messed up on. When you boot the system with (in suse) boot.quota and quotad running the system will lock up once users attempt to start using.
09:40<nomeata>Maulkin: no, it is in my local account, and only my local agent can allow the usage of the key
09:40<Maulkin>rjent: I'd suggest suse support.
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09:41<rjent>Maulkin: I know, but I do support it very well, but I am having to in this case.
09:41<rjent>Maulkin: I know, but I do _not_ support it very well, but I am having to in this case.
09:41<Wombatica>I am having a problem with exim4
09:42<Wombatica>I am using debconf to configure the package
09:42<Maulkin>nomeata: and so you're telling the remote sudo about your key how?
09:42<Wombatica>but when it goes to generate the config file, it fails
09:42<Wombatica> main option "acl_whitelist_local_deny" unknown
09:42<nomeata>Maulkin: now that is the questions. I’d like a pam module that does that.
09:42<rjent>Maulkin: I would just like to have a small amount of dialog on the processes I am using. Rest assured it will be upgraded to debian when the units upgrade cycle comes around
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09:43<Maulkin>nomeata: erm... a pam module that contacts the server you're connecting from?
09:44<nomeata>Maulkin: a pam module that contacts whatevers is in SSH_AUTH_SOCK
09:44<seanius>sounds like you want identd, heh
09:44<Maulkin>But that so easy to spoof anyway.
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09:45<seanius>who are you? oh, okay come on in.
09:45<nomeata>Maulkin: what? SSH_AUTH_SOCK?
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09:45<Maulkin>nomeata: yes
09:45<Maulkin>Remember, you have an attacker who's already got access to your account.
09:45<nomeata>Maulkin: how? then you could spoof it to ssh as well?
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09:45<rjent>Perhaps I could ask if running quotacheck on a filesystem that I have ran quotaoff on will hurt anything other than having some numbers be off a bit.
09:45<seanius>it would only work if the key were already distributed to the client doing the checking
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09:46<Knight_Lord>How can a user under LDAP change his password?
09:46<nomeata>Maulkin: it’s not distributed to the client. if my local agent pays attention, the attacker can’t use the key
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09:46<gsimmons>Wombatica: IIRC, you'll need to install the 'exim4-daemon-heavy' package, owing to its support for content scanning extensions. Your option should then be accepted/parsed.
09:46<seanius>nomeata: the public key *has* to be on the remiote client, or a trusted 3rd party
09:47<nomeata>seanius: but not the private
09:47<nomeata>seanius: eh, yes, sure, the public is in root’s .ssh/authorized_keys
09:47<weasel>still doesn't solve the problem.
09:48<weasel>if you forward the agent, then how do you know if it's you doing the sudo or an attacker.
09:48<nomeata>Maybe what I should do is use ssh root@, but set HOME to the user so I get the same effect as using sudo.
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09:48<nomeata>weasel: because I’m not doing sodo. of course, when I’m doing sudo the attacker can take over that after I authorize. But if I don’t do sudo, I can tell.
09:48<rjent>Knight_Lord: there are different ways. In general I make a diff and then submit to the ldap server
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09:49<nomeata>weasel: so root is safe as long as I don’t log in into root as well. (which is not the case with “nopasswd”)
09:49<weasel>nomeata: how would you even know? or are you using -c with ssh-add?
09:49<Wombatica>gsimmons: ok, let me try that
09:49<nomeata>weasel: I’m not, but I could :-)
09:49<weasel>root is save so long as you don't forward the agent
09:49<weasel>which I just don't picture to be very long
09:50<nomeata>weasel: with ssh-add -c it’d be safe as long as I don’t confirm a uncalled for authorisation question by ssh-agent, rightß
09:50<weasel>it's safe until you ever confirm it.
09:50<nomeata>which I think is much better than “nopasswd”.
09:51<Maulkin>Which brings us back to the same level as just using a damn password.
09:51<nomeata>Maulkin: no, the password could be forgotten, or cracked, and it’s annoying. (I agree, I’m mostly going for the less annoying)
09:51<Maulkin>nomeata: As can the password for the ssh-key
09:52<nomeata>Maulkin: not as easily cracked (without the key). plus it’s only local.
09:53<Maulkin>Doesn't matter anyway. As soon as you authenticate on the remote host, the attacker has access.
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09:54<seanius>nomeata: maybe you should look into kerberos :)
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09:54<nomeata>seanius: that’d be nice as well.
09:55<nomeata>Maulkin: no, if I only log into the user account (and only that is compromised), he would not have access to root
09:55<seanius>i think that's the Right Way, or something closer to it, for doing network-based auth for stuff like this
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09:55<nomeata>seanius: but ssh-agent is a nice solution that works very well for ssh account hopping − why not for sudo account hopping
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09:59<CharlieKane>Does anyone know what to do about screensavers not working ? All I get is a blank screen or the X.
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09:59<azeem>n3x: are you sure?
09:59<n3x>im ognna google it
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10:00<Wombatica>gsimmons: it failed to install, with the same error
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10:01<CharlieKane>I don't have compiz installed
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10:03<TyrantOne>Hi all, Im new to the whole Linux sytem and im looking into getting Debian, is there a Live version that i could learn from rather than installing it. Your help is much appreciated
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10:04<dpkg>Debian Live provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. and #debian-live
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10:14<TyrantOne>Hi, im new to linux and im looking at getting Debian Live to start with. I dont want to install a new OS but to learn about it before i do anything drastic. can anyone give me some pointers
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10:14<witte>TyrantOne: use a live cd, and just do it :-)
10:14<lupine_85>TyrantOne: [16:04] <dpkg> Debian Live provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. and #debian-live
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10:15<TDJ>Litle question :)
10:15<witte>TyrantOne: do the things you do normally on wintendo, and see if you can do it in linux...
10:15<TyrantOne>so would you say the Debian is a good starting point in learning linux systems
10:15<lupine_85>debian is the linux distro to end all linux distros
10:15<lupine_85>of course, I am a little biased ;)
10:15<n3x> Reply
10:15<n3x>Reply to all Reply to allForward Forward Print Add Brandon to Contacts list Delete this message Report phishing Show original Message text garbled?
10:15<n3x> Brandon Cherup
10:15<n3x>to support
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10:15<witte>TyrantOne: you are here in #debian, nobody is going to say debian is bad :-)
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10:16<TDJ>How can I unpack and install a tar.gz file in linuxdebian?
10:16<TyrantOne>thanks alot
10:16<n3x> ""
10:16<n3x>to me
10:16<n3x>show details
10:16<n3x> 2:27 am (8 hours ago)
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10:16<lupine_85>TDJ: tar -xzf <filename>
10:16<n3x>fuck you guys read what my datacenter fucking tells me
10:16<lupine_85>n3x: friggin' stop it
10:16<gsimmons>Wombatica: There's a pre-existing hook for 'acl_whitelist_local_deny' usage (in both static and split configurations), which allows you to maintain your whitelist via the /etc/exim4/local_whitelist file. See exim4-config_files(5) for more details.
10:16<JasonS>n3x: you fing swearing at people helps?
10:16<n3x>no no
10:16<n3x>i was sayin FUCK
10:16<n3x>as in
10:16<maxamillion>i don't think he was cursing at us
10:16<lupine_85>AND STOP WITH THE /MSG
10:16<n3x>didnt mean to do that
10:17<n3x>lupine chill!
10:17<n3x>your a ass
10:17<maxamillion>ZOMG CAPS LOCK
10:17<n3x>but seroiusly you read what my datacenter tellsm
10:17<lupine_85>I've been polite for two solid days now
10:17<maxamillion>n3x: paste bin it and i will read :)
10:17<lupine_85>I can't help. That's the end of it.
10:17<n3x>ive recompiled my kernel like 9 times, and everytime it screws up
10:17<maxamillion>lupine_85: meh, polite only gets you so far in the world
10:18<maxamillion>lupine_85: screw the noobs, we don't need em :P
10:18<witte>n3x: the kernel does not screw up...
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10:18<azeem>n3x: please keep it on-topic and constructive
10:18[~]maxamillion shuts up
10:18<CharlieKane>I'd politely like to know why screensavers in Debian just stop working for no apparrent reason...
10:18<azeem>CharlieKane: are you runnign compiz?
10:18<maxamillion>CharlieKane: what screensaver daemon you using?
10:18<CharlieKane>not running compiz
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10:18<azeem>CharlieKane: which version of Debian?
10:19<maxamillion>oh ... i haven't touched kde in years, you are out of my knowledge base, sorry :/
10:19<azeem>CharlieKane: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 " say?
10:19<CharlieKane>azeem, just a sec
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10:19<gsimmons>Wombatica: s/local_whitelist/local_host_whitelist/
10:19<CharlieKane>ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
10:20<n3x>oh shit that dosnt show it
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10:20<n3x>max may i PM you
10:20<maxamillion>n3x: why do you need to recompile the kernel anyways?
10:20<maxamillion>n3x: sure
10:20<lupine_85>I don't mind people being "n00bs". I mind people refusing to take no for an answer
10:20<maxamillion>lupine_85: i was only kidding :)
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10:20<lupine_85>np :)
10:21<Wombatica>gsimmons: I saw that in the man page, but exim seems to be complaining about that keyword. Would it be ok to just remove that particular hook?
10:21<maxamillion>lupine_85: but i have many times gotten very frustrated with the culture of users that have spawned from the ubuntu community that refuse to read documentation
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10:22<gsimmons>Wombatica: If you added in acl_whitelist_local_deny somewhere else, I'd remove that instead.
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10:22<azeem>maxamillion: the right approach to that is to either ignore them, or take a break
10:22<lupine_85>well, in this case it's more that n3x is determined to mod the kernel to a box he has no physical access to and no rescue console for, and seems determined to make me help
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10:23<lupine_85>I'm happy to do stupid things (including, once, rm -rf /lib) to my own box, but no to other people's
10:24<maxamillion>azeem: quite probably, but i just don't understand why when someone asks a question and i give them a link to documentation they refuse to read it .... i really just want to tell some people to either go back to windows or buy a mac and leave me alone
10:24<aricz>because it's easier to get the answer directly from someone? :)
10:25<lupine_85>mm, documentation can be intimidating :). and manpages aren't exactly easy to understand, at times
10:26<CharlieKane>And if you tell people to go back to Windows or Mac, they probably will... and they'll tell their friends what they think of Linux users (It WILL be unflattering)
10:26<TyrantOne>would Gnome or the kde version work best on a windows based OS system
10:26<n3x>lupine_85 shut it
10:26<maxamillion>aricz: well, yes that i understand ... but for a while i actually ran ubuntu on a couple of my desktops and did a decent amount of contribution to the wiki docs ... so why would i write docs just to have to re-write them during an irc session?
10:26<JasonS>TyrantOne: pardon?
10:26<lupine_85>n3x: your conduct has been unacceptable over the last couple of days. You're in no position to tell me what to do
10:26<aricz>maxamillion : azeem said it goooood.. ignore them
10:26<lupine_85>I'm perfectly happy to ignore you, if you'll give me the same courtesy
10:27<n3x>why dont u fix my problem and let me pay you
10:27<azeem>TyrantOne: bot Gnome and KDE work best on a GNU/Linux based OS
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10:28<azeem>n3x: /msg dpkg consultants
10:28<lupine_85>see what I mean? You're impossible. I can't fix your problem, and I'm unwilling to even try
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10:28<azeem>let's stop here.
10:29<Wombatica>gsimmons: I did not add it. The only change I made is to add local_part_suffix to two of the configured routers
10:29<maxamillion>TyrantOne: each desktop environment has its own spin on how things should interact with the user, i suggest maybe downloading a debian live image of each and deciding for yourself which you prefer ... debian live images can be obtained here -->
10:29<CharlieKane>I sent an email to get where I work listed on the Debian site as a place that will pre-install Debian on a PC for you
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10:30<Wombatica>gsimmons: I think I will try purging it and reinstalling...
10:30<maxamillion>CharlieKane: where do you work?
10:30<TyrantOne>maxamillion: Thanks for that
10:30<maxamillion>CharlieKane: and does your company make laptops?
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10:30<CharlieKane>We thought it was a good idea to support Etch rather than have to mess about with distro's that have a 6 month release cycle... easier to support
10:30<CharlieKane>No we just build PC's and put what people want on them
10:31<maxamillion>TyrantOne: no problem :) ... one of the biggest issues with KDE vs. Gnome is that you will eventually end up in a massive flame war between people who swear by one or the other ... i'm generally neutral on which one is "better" and think that everyone should just use which one they like and leave it at that
10:31<maxamillion>TyrantOne: which is why i said you should try them both and just see which you like :)
10:31<lupine_85>maxamillion: but KDE is so much better than gnome... ;) (j/k)
10:31<maxamillion>CharlieKane: ahhhhh ok
10:32<maxamillion>lupine_85: :P
10:32<CharlieKane>But I guess we wont get listed cause we've had no reply...
10:32<lupine_85>different philosophies between the two camps; hard to say which philosophy is objectively better
10:32<maxamillion>CharlieKane: i would imagine you will, but the web masters might be busy :/
10:32<gsimmons>Wombatica: Perhaps just reverse your recent changes. If the acl_whitelist_local_deny parameter (and others) are accepted again, your issue is be caused by either the placement or syntax of your additions.
10:33<azeem>CharlieKane: when did you send that?
10:33<CharlieKane>ah I think it was a week or two ago now
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10:33<azeem>CharlieKane: the people doing that are very, very slow I think
10:33<CharlieKane>ah k
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10:34<maxamillion>lupine_85: yeah, i actually use a mix of xfce, gnome, kde, and openbox+pypanel depending on what machine i am sitting at and i think each has its strong points and weak ones as well ... i just really hope kde4 is nice because i find the qt3 library to be ugly in some instances
10:34<lupine_85>well, it's meant to be faster, which is always a good thing
10:34<lupine_85>I like where they're going with plasma, at any rate
10:34<maxamillion>lupine_85: interesting thing too is they claim kde4 will have a mac os x and windows port ...
10:34<CharlieKane>I tried a live suse disk with the kde4 beta on it
10:35<lupine_85>you can run kde3 on those platforms already, can't you?
10:35<lupine_85>CharlieKane: it's not very pretty at the moment, is it? :)
10:35<maxamillion>CharlieKane: one of the 10.3 alpha/beta builds?
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10:35<lupine_85>I compiled b1 to take a peek
10:35<CharlieKane>lupine_85: I dunno... all I got was a kernel panic ;)
10:35<maxamillion>lupine_85: no because the qt3 library's licensing is really weird
10:35<lupine_85>it's a beta in the true sense of the word :D
10:35<metalqga>[) & 13 1 /\ /\/
10:35<CharlieKane>maxamillion: one of them yes
10:35<CharlieKane>the one that doesnt work ;)
10:35<maxamillion>metalqga: please don't code perl in the irc channel :P
10:35<Wombatica>gsimmons:I was also using the split config, which I always found annoying, so I am retrying using the single config file (after purging)
10:36<maxamillion>CharlieKane: lol, fair enough ... i heard that its not full kde4, but just bits of it mixed with kde3
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10:36<yorellz>hola mankod
10:36<yorellz>como estas
10:36<Wombatica>gsimmons: which worked, so you are probably correct that something I changed must have broken it.
10:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:37<mankod>yorellz, this channel it's only for talks in english ;) use #debian-es
10:37<maxamillion>is the bot here the same as the one on freenode?
10:37<lupine_85>I think so
10:38<yorellz>im sorry
10:38<CharlieKane>maxamillion: If I remember right it was a beta of the next Suse release, with the second alpha or first beta of kde4 on it... bad combo as the whole thing just falls flat on its face :p
10:38<yorellz>mankod, ok
10:38<yorellz>im speaks englisg brow
10:38<yorellz>go the other channel
10:38<yorellz>take easy!
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10:40<n3x>i have called 4 consultants and NONE ofthem answered
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10:40<azeem>n3x: so call more
10:40<Wombatica>gsimmons: thanks
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10:41[~]lupine_85 wonders if it's the weekend yet
10:41<JasonS>lupine_85: damn near
10:42<lupine_85>heh. I start work soon
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10:43<maxamillion>CharlieKane: well, i will give them the benefit of the doubt and just say its "still under heavy development" ... but then again, being around debian systems for so long you just start to expect a certain level of stability out of things
10:43<lupine_85>mm, they keep putting the date back
10:44<lupine_85>with something as big as KDE, I think they're doing surprisingly well
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10:44<CharlieKane>maxamillion: yeah
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10:46<CharlieKane>lupine_85: I was starting to wonder if they'd be ready to release it by the end of October...
10:46<lupine_85>not a cat's chance in hell :D
10:46<lupine_85>I'm doubtful that they'll make early december, to be honest
10:47<CharlieKane>I thought it was late December...
10:47<lupine_85>it's before christmas
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10:47<lupine_85>or was last time I checked. it might have slipped again since :D
10:47<CharlieKane>Last I saw it was Dec 20(ish)
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10:55<CharlieKane>hmm wonder if this works... brb
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10:56<froze>Q re. Totem: when I eject a dvd from the totem menu it doesn't actually eject the disc, I have to right click and select eject on the desktop. Does anyone know how to get totem to actually eject the media?
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11:22<Requiem>Can I just backport a kernel from sid the same way I do anything else?
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11:24<chealer>Requiem: if you don't mind, why would you backport a kernel from sid?
11:24<Requiem>I need a 2.6.22 kernel for my hardware to function right
11:25<Requiem>that seems to be the simplest way to do it.
11:25<chealer>Requiem: which Debian suite do you use?
11:25<chealer>Requiem: why do you want to backport?
11:25<azeem>18:23 < Requiem> I need a 2.6.22 kernel for my hardware to function right
11:26<padski>Requiem, lenny, so the kernel in sid could be days away from lenny ?
11:26<azeem>or weeks, or months, who knows
11:26<padski>and in need of testing ;-)
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11:26<chealer>Requiem: that explains why you need 2.6.22, not why you want to backport it.
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11:26<Requiem>That would be the part where backporting is easy
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11:27<azeem>maybe chealer wants to point out you should install the unstable package
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11:27<chealer>Requiem: as opposed to the difficulty of...setting up a testing/unstable mix?
11:27<padski>not really. with an ordinary package you have the dependencies spelt out for you.
11:28<Requiem>padski: I've done a little bit of backporting already, it's all fairly straightforward
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11:28<Requiem>apt can handle the dependencies and everything
11:28<cahoot>backporting to lenny?
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11:29<Requiem>Can I do this or not without breaking my system
11:30<chealer>Requiem: you can
11:30<Requiem>coolies, I'll do that when I get back from work
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12:42[~]fxiny waits , (posing as a fridge) for his daily (piper) beer
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12:45<witte>!beer fxiny
12:45[~]dpkg pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for fxiny
12:46<fxiny>witte: very nice ;)
12:47<witte>well, you write tripple with only one p
12:47<witte>so dpkg is wrong
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12:47<fxiny>that's strange cause
12:48<fxiny>dpkg rulez
12:48<dpkg>Yeah, I do, don't I?
12:49<fxiny>witte: i'm still due for piper special reserve , he fills his fridge i'm swifty morphed in , every day : but today is late !
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12:50<witte>fxiny: don't know that beer, I only drink belgian beer :P
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12:51<fxiny>witte: belgian ? i know a belgian "icon" about beer ;)
12:52<witte>fxiny: I'm sorry, i don't understand
12:52<fxiny>witte: is the pis* man or boy belgian ?
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12:53<fxiny>or was it ducth ?
12:53<witte>fxiny: ah, manneke pis, he is belgian
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12:53<fxiny>witte: that icon :)
12:53<witte>ok, :)
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12:54<elvis2>i need help with wireless
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12:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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12:54<elvis2>witte i know that
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12:54<elvis2>i waiting for it to boot to give u full question
12:54<witte>elvis2: ok :-)
12:55<elvis2>i need to see if it is picking it up yet
12:55<assem>just updated my system to unstable dist and had some interesting problem, was getting a g_once_init_impl undefined symbol
12:55<assem>had to add /usr/lib to the end of my libc.conf and ldconfig to get things to work
12:56<elvis2>ok does anyone know why my wireless dont work in debian?
12:56<elvis2>i have 2 cards an neither are picking up
12:56<assem>do u have the right firmware installed?
12:56<elvis2>assem last time i had linux in the belkin picked up fine but it was another dist
12:56<elvis2>ubun or something
12:57<elvis2>the built in one i dont know what that is
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12:57<stroyan>elvis2: lspci will tell you more about what devices are present
12:59<elvis2>dont seem to see it
12:59<assem>any other sid users run into that g_once_init_impl undefined symbol problem?
12:59<witte>elvis2: paste it in a pastebin
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12:59<elvis2>i cant it is on a laptop
12:59<elvis2>laptop aint connected to net
12:59<witte>assem: I did not notice that yet...
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13:00<witte>elvis2: are there any devices that are not recognized
13:00<assem>can i ask you what ur libc.conf says?
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13:00<assem>in /etc/
13:00<elvis2>witte not that i can see
13:00<stroyan>elvis2: Most laptops have a button or switch to disable the built-in wireless. That may be forcing it off and making lspci miss the device.
13:01<elvis2>stroyan it is enabled there
13:01<witte>assem: a comment line and a /usr/local/lib line
13:01<elvis2>i knwo windows well not linux
13:01<assem>hm =[
13:02<assem>i had to add /usr/lib to the end of mine in order to get glib working
13:02<witte>elvis2: can you hook it up the net with a normal ethernet card (for testing and installing drivers
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13:02<witte>assem: which package?
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13:02<elvis2>libc.conf dont work
13:02<witte>assem: and the pc i checked is a hppa
13:02<the_bull>hello all
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13:03<assem>no specific packages, i just upgraded distro from etch to unstable
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13:03<assem>everything went ok except for gdm starts up on empty screen w/mouse
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13:03<assem>a lil playing around and i found out that gnome-session was returning:
13:03<the_bull>hey hackers... i want to download files from websites with command line... cause.. i don`t have any gui in my machine. So, how can i do that?
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13:03<elvis2>i dont have libc.conf
13:04<assem>libpangooft2-1.0s.o.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl
13:04<assem>the_bull: apt-get install lynx
13:04<witte>assem: that file is in the zlibc package
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13:04<the_bull>assem, i hv lynx in my one machine
13:04<elvis2>ok ehternet plugged ijn
13:05<witte>the_bull: alternative is elinks
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13:05<the_bull>assem, but does it exist in pure unix?
13:05<the_bull>assem, though in my office, that is unix
13:05<witte>the_bull: or you can wget <url> to download the file directly
13:05<the_bull>witte, i don`t hv ny place to right button menu or something like that
13:06<elvis2>ok nothing needing updated or upgraded
13:06<witte>the_bull: huh?
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13:07<the_bull>witte, i need such type of command, with which i can download directly with one command
13:07<elvis2>witte i have no libc.conf and nothing needing updated
13:07<witte>the_bull: wget
13:08<witte>elvis2: I never said you needed libc.conf, that was assem...
13:08<the_bull>witte, kk.. will it work? like: wget -c ????
13:08<the_bull>witte, will such type of command work?
13:09<witte>elvis2: you need to figure out which type of wireless card you have
13:09<witte>the_bull: yes
13:09<elvis2>witte i have external belkin
13:09<witte>external as in usb?
13:10<elvis2>no pcmcia i think
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13:12<elvis2>belkin will update for windows but wont provide for linux :(
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13:13<witte>elvis2: that is normal, but other people will provide drivers for linux ;-)
13:14<elvis2>ok found a site that gives me a command lspci -v
13:14<elvis2>belkin is recognised sorta but i dont ahve a wireless thing in my network list
13:14<elvis2>the card reader is an unknowen device
13:14<witte>elvis2: define sorta
13:15<witte>ah, ok, that means that you do not have a driver loaded
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13:15<elvis2>only thing wrong with it is access denied
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13:15<elvis2>witte it is not unrecognised
13:15<witte>well, probably you need the correct kernel module
13:15<elvis2>it is recognised but not showing
13:16<elvis2>apt-get update -ugrade neither worked
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13:16<witte>elvis2: that has nothign to do with it
13:16<witte>elvis2: but it is connected to teh net?. otherwize you cannot do apt-get update?
13:17<elvis2>i connected ethernet
13:17<witte>elvis2: ok, then paste lspci into a pastebin
13:17<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
13:18<elvis2>witte i need to connect it to irc first give us a min
13:18<witte>elvis2: ok
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13:21<elvis2>sorry i need to install a irc client it has just been installed
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13:28<witte>elvis2: how is it going?
13:29<witte>elvis2: what is the problem? apt-get install bitchx (or irsii or xchat)
13:29<elvis2>yeah but it asked for the cd lol
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13:29<elvis>there we go
13:29<witte>elvis2: do you have servers on the internet in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
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13:30<elvis2>hmmm it is comented out by installed
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13:31<witte>elvis2: run apt-get update ;-)
13:31<witte>elvis2: you did mean the cdrom was commented out didn't you
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13:32<IceBlu>hello hello
13:33<witte>elvis2: put # before the cdrom lines, add (if not present) the line deb-src
13:33<witte> etch main non-free contrib
13:33<IceBlu>im having some apt integraty problems, anyone free?
13:33<witte>sorry about that
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13:33<witte>deb etch main non-free contrib
13:34<witte>elvis2: sorry, I have to go
13:35<witte>elvis2: you have a card that works
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13:35<witte>the ralink rt2500 is a wireless card
13:35<elvis2>so is the belkin
13:35<elvis2>but they dont show up in the network list
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13:36<witte>elvis2: lsmod |grep rt
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13:37<IceBlu>I can apt-get update, and apt-get install to my hearts content and works beautifully but after 5-6 consecutive apt-get removes all apt commands return "nothing to do" is their a temp file or cache somewhere thats causing this??
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13:37<witte>elvis2: mm, not what i expected
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13:38<witte>elvis: sorry I really have to go, but this should be quite solvable
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13:39<witte>try modprobe rt2500
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13:39<witte>and if that does not work, try to install the rt2500 or the rt2x00 package
13:39<witte>apt-cache search rt2 will show you more
13:40<witte>see also this
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13:40<elvis>ok rt2500 is not installed
13:40<stroyan>There is a specific debean rt2500 howto at
13:41<stroyan>s/debean/debian/ :-)
13:42<elvis>my apt-get is broke lol
13:43<stroyan>I guess IceBlu and elvis now have something to talk about.
13:43<IceBlu>elvis: it breaks for my on every debian distro i use the remove command on
13:43<elvis2>na mine is stupidnes
13:43<elvis2>i had to installs typed
13:44<elvis2>ok i dont have or get module assistant
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13:45<IceBlu>after i get the 'nothing to do' error no apt commands work anymore. theirs gotta be a temp file somewhere but havent found nothing in the apt documentation
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13:48<jcaviedes>estoy intentando configurar un portátil turion 64 y un pc athlon xp, ambos con debian etch, para que queden conectados en red mediante un router usando nfs, pero tengo problemas.....
13:48<stroyan>IceBlu: So if you type "apt-get update" the command outputs "nothing to do" ??
13:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:49<IceBlu>Im rebooting the system, i fukked it up a bit, gimme a sec and ill give a proper error msg
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13:55<SeanW727>Hey Everyone
13:55<SeanW727>I am installing debian on my laptop and have a few questions if anyone is able to answer for me.
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13:55<IceBlu>apt-get install/remove pkg-name give the regual reading pkg list... header then says "0 upgraded, 0 installed, 0 to remove"
13:56<IceBlu>apt-get upgrade works as normal but dosnt actually do anything
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13:56<IceBlu>just previous to the apt-get remove errors the packages state their being removed but a "dpkg -l" says its still installed
13:57<SeanW727>I downloaded the iso of debian i386... i'm on "Installing the Base System" step right now
13:57<SeanW727>i'll let you know when i run into the problem again.
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13:57<elvis2>my system is screwed :(
13:58<graytron>by who?
13:58<elvis2>it wont dpkg
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13:58<SeanW727>"Configure Package Manager" Should i use a network mirror or no?
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14:00<IceBlu>SeanW727: I use a network mirror for all upgrades and installs, most up to date
14:00<SeanW727>which mirror do you recommend?
14:00<IceBlu>SeanW727: I use debian net install just for that fact
14:01<SeanW727>should i enter anythign for HTTP Proxy information (blank for none)
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14:01<IceBlu>Sean: I use the random clicking approach lol but an oifficial mirror sounds like a good choice
14:02<SeanW727>Thanks for your help IceBlu. It is greatly appreciated.
14:02<IceBlu>no prob
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14:02<SeanW727>any input on the proxy info request? or not.
14:02<stroyan>SeanW727: You only need an HTTP proxy if you are behind some firewall that demands you use a proxy.
14:03<GB>hi, how to configure wlan in debian?
14:03<IceBlu>if you dont have a proxy theirs no need to fill it out, i have never used it personally
14:03<SeanW727>ok now i'm getting "Configuring APT" "40%" Scanning the Mirror....
14:03<SeanW727>thanks again. Any idea how long it takes from this point?
14:04<massimo>hi iceblu, what's this? is it a chat?
14:04<SeanW727>Ok. I'm through it... Thanks Alot.
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14:04<GB>i think i need a key
14:04<SeanW727>Crap.... I meant to clcik the laptop Setting.
14:04<SeanW727>Will it really affect it much or no?
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14:05<isuckatlinux>can anyone here help me out? I have some problems trying to activate fn key in this vaio
14:05<SeanW727>Did you try activating it while the computer is starting up.
14:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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14:05<SeanW727>Before it gets to the main page. Like when u first turn it on.
14:06<isuckatlinux>im kind of confused, debian installed by default sonypi but i dont know what it is for, cause i can see the events through acpi
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14:07<isuckatlinux>but then acpi maps to this other spicctrl
14:07<isuckatlinux>when i try spicctrl alone in a terminal
14:07<IceBlu>hmm i found my apt-get remove issue, its not being removed because the config files are floating around. a dpkg --purge cleans then up
14:07<isuckatlinux>it doesnt change anything
14:08<SeanW727>are there messenger clients for debian?
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14:09<isuckatlinux>amsn is msn for debian with webcam
14:09<isuckatlinux>apt-get install amsn
14:09<IceBlu>Sean: I use gaim
14:10<isuckatlinux>gaim has not cam support thou
14:10<SeanW727>ohhh thats not much of an issue for me.
14:10<IceBlu>yea the lack or cam does suck, tho sence I dont have one im ok with it
14:10<SeanW727>Does it run like AIM?
14:10<isuckatlinux>u cool them, gaim looks better
14:11<SeanW727>i'm still retrieving files... on the installation page.... 508 of 657
14:11<isuckatlinux>i like to see my face on the screen so i use amsn
14:11<isuckatlinux>so any expert with the fn keys in f laptops that can help me figure out what the hell to do?
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14:12<SeanW727>my function key still works?
14:12<isuckatlinux>i dont know, does it?
14:12<SeanW727>I just tried it... It appears to still be working for me.
14:12<SeanW727>Turned my Wifi Light On.
14:13<SeanW727>Can wifi be used with debian? Or do i have to be plugged into the ethernet cable?
14:13<isuckatlinux>it works
14:14<isuckatlinux>if u use wpa its a pain in the ass, wep is easier
14:15<GB>how to configure wlan in debian?
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14:16<isuckatlinux>u asking how to do it?
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14:16<GB>i have no idea :-(
14:17<isuckatlinux>wireless-tools install that shit
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14:17<isuckatlinux>and find out wether ur chipset has support
14:17<vortex>GB: what wireless card do you have?
14:17<isuckatlinux>if u use wpa install wpasupplicant
14:18<isuckatlinux>and networkmanager
14:18<GB>vortex: I dont know
14:19<isuckatlinux>in a terminal u should see something
14:19<IceBlu>now apt-get remove says "0 to install, 0 to remove" on every command, apt-get update just says complete and does nothing, dpkg -r and dpkg --purge says "dependencey problems - not removing" I cant even remove openssh
14:19<SeanW727>My Wireless card is built in... will it still work?
14:20<SeanW727>I have a shitty Averatec Laptop.
14:20<SeanW727>Which i lost the restore discs for so i figured i'd give this OS a shot.
14:20<vortex>IceBlu: do dpkg --configure -a
14:20<vortex>then apt-get install -f
14:21<isuckatlinux>worse case scenario u can try ndiswrapper
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14:21<isuckatlinux>and the wireless drivers from windows
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14:22<vortex>GB: paste the output of 'lspci' to
14:22<GB>network is also not detected
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14:22<IceBlu>vortex: --configure -a worked, now the old apt-get remove -f pkg_name works again and removes them from the list in dpkg -l
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14:23<IceBlu>do you know why this happens? maybee im not using a flag correctly
14:23<isuckatlinux>, cool stuff didnt know it
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14:23<metalqga>can't mount a vcd
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14:23<vortex>IceBlu: probably a partial failure during postrm
14:23<metalqga>what fs could the chinese pirates have used?
14:23<vortex>or prerm
14:24<vortex>metalqga: maybe iso9660?
14:24<metalqga>let me try
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14:24<isuckatlinux>need help to setup fn key in my laptop, acpi gets the event but then spicctrl does nothing
14:25<vortex>isuckatlinux: what type of laptop
14:25<isuckatlinux>vaio sz series
14:25<vortex>bleh, vaio
14:25<vortex>sorry, cant help with that one
14:25<metalqga>it worked
14:25<isuckatlinux>lol, at least u tried
14:25<vortex>metalqga: np
14:26<metalqga>the first time gnome couldnt auto mount
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14:27<isuckatlinux>anyone know what software changes brightness in a vaio? spicctrl not working, smartdimmer not supported
14:28<metalqga>my laptop does it on a bios level
14:28<isuckatlinux>well, my laptop is a piece of shit then
14:29<GB>no wlan and lan detected
14:29<GB>in debian
14:29<vortex>GB: can you copy the output of 'lspci' to
14:29<isuckatlinux>gb: did u paste that lspci output?
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14:30<GB>I cant
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14:30<GB>the output is on laptop
14:30<GB>which has no connection to internet
14:30<GB>oh ....
14:32<GB>hey, found kwlan
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14:33<GB>what do i need to do?
14:33<isuckatlinux>have u guys seen that bumptop desktop?
14:33<GB>if wlan works I can easily put in lspci output in that site
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14:33<vortex>GB: you probably need to install the proper drivers for your wlan
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14:33<IceBlu>anyone know what the ii and rc in the first col of 'dpkg -l' means?
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14:34<isuckatlinux>i dont know vortex but i want to see that output to find out wether u can use ur wlan
14:34<vortex>GB: we need the output of lspci to tell what drivers you need
14:35<n3x>helpzzz me
14:35<SeanW727>Nice. Its finally INstalled.
14:35<GB>rtl8101e pci express
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14:35<GB>thats the ethernet controller
14:35<isuckatlinux>sounds do able
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14:36<n3x>the kernel that is installed by default
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14:37<n3x>is there a way to get the source for it ?
14:37<GB>network controller: intel copr unkown device 4229
14:37<isuckatlinux>there is ur driver GB
14:37<GB>(rev 61)
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14:38<isuckatlinux>we all have questions here today, anyone solving problems here>
14:39<n3x>apt-get source linux-major
14:39<n3x>E: Unable to find a source package for linux-major
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14:41<isuckatlinux>apt-get update, then apt-get source linux-major?
14:42<SeanW727>ok i downloaded GAIM/PIDGIN... How do i install it?
14:42<vortex>n3x: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
14:43<vortex>n3x: apt-get source {the linux-image you have installed}
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14:45<isuckatlinux>SeanW727: dpkg -i yourdeb file
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14:48<isuckatlinux>dpkg yup
14:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, yup is my enemy, or something silly
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14:48<SeanW727>what is a dpkg?
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14:49<isuckatlinux>dpkg will handle the debian packages
14:49<SeanW727>where do i get that?
14:49<isuckatlinux>dpkg -i will install it
14:49<dpkg>package will install it is already installed
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14:49<isuckatlinux>its already installed in ur debian
14:50<SeanW727>Oh Ok.
14:50<SeanW727>Synaptic Package Manager?
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14:50<chealer>SeanW727: which file did you download?
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14:50<isuckatlinux>packet manager yes
14:51<chealer>SeanW727: is the file named PIDGIN?
14:51<isuckatlinux>where did u get that file from
14:52<SeanW727>i downloaded it from SourceForge
14:52<SeanW727>its the new name for GAIM or something.
14:52<chealer>SeanW727: what's the file's name?
14:52<Deltantor>GAIM got aol pissed at them, so they switched names to pidgin
14:52<vortex>to install pidgin, all you have to do is apt-get install pidgin
14:53<elvis2>ok formating the computer again let me install rt2500
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14:53<chealer>SeanW727: which Debian suite do you use?
14:54<isuckatlinux>do apt-get install pidgin SeanW727
14:54<SeanW727>what is apt-get ?
14:54<isuckatlinux>delete that one, will make ur life easier
14:54<Deltantor>pidgin isnt in etch though
14:54<SeanW727>where do i put that.
14:54<isuckatlinux>just write that in a terminal
14:54<SeanW727>what terminal?
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14:54<SeanW727>like how do i get to the terminal. I'm a first time user
14:54<isuckatlinux>what debian u have SeanW727
14:54<chealer>SeanW727: that's the architecture. your suite would be stable or testing.
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14:55<vortex>ie eth, lenny, sid
14:55<isuckatlinux>do u see xterm in your menu? or terminal?
14:55<SeanW727>i downloaded... Debian... the bootable image
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14:56<isuckatlinux>its my experience that with linux u r always a first time user
14:56<chealer>SeanW727: what was the filename of the iso?
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14:56<Deltantor>SeanW727, guessing you arent on your linux computer right now?
14:56<SeanW727>its a laptop.
14:56<SeanW727>right next to me
14:57<chealer>SeanW727: that's Debian 4.0, current Debian stable.
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14:57<Deltantor>was wondering why you were running mIRC :P
14:57<SeanW727>ok at the top i have "Applications" "Places" "Desktop"
14:58<chealer>SeanW727: gaim should be installed by default.
14:58<isuckatlinux>where can i see what spicctrl is doing in my laptop, anyone knows?
14:58<isuckatlinux>kernel logs? syslogd?
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14:58<SeanW727>ok i found the Terminal
14:59<SeanW727>Gnome Terminal sound right?
14:59<SeanW727>"dpkg: requested operation requres superuser privilege"
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15:02<isuckatlinux>ok, do u know ur admin password?
15:02<isuckatlinux>write su
15:02<isuckatlinux>enter the admin password
15:02<isuckatlinux>then do the apt-get
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15:04<isuckatlinux>did it work now?
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15:06<SeanW727>ok i did apt-get now what/
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15:07<isuckatlinux>now u probably have gaim or pidgin ir ur menu
15:07<isuckatlinux>or u can try gaim or pidgin in ur terminal
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15:08<SeanW727>in which menu?
15:09<luser>hi. i have a problem with svn on ubuntu. I've created dir with perms to 'subversion' group, but how could I permin svn to access this?
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15:09<SeanW727>i have ekiga softphone, epiphany web, evo mail, bt, iceweasal,liferea,terminal
15:09<chealer>luser: this is a Debian support channel.
15:09<GB>Linux driver for kernel 2.6.x (Support x86 and x64)
15:09<GB>Linux driver for kernel 2.4.x (Support x86 and x64)
15:09<luser>chealer: its almost the same
15:10<GB>which 1 to use?
15:10<luser>im newbie
15:10<chealer>!tell luser about ubuntu
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15:10<luser>just want to know how service eg. apache, snv can be added to a group?
15:11<ameyer>luser: does this look like a Ubuntu support channel?
15:11<isuckatlinux>GB, write in ur terminat uname -a
15:11<luser>ok, say any linux, good?
15:11<chealer>luser: this is not a general Linux support channel channel.
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15:12<isuckatlinux>luser there is an ubuntu server
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15:13<GB>what was it again ..lsp?
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15:13<luser>ok, bye
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15:13<GB>I will use a usb stick and past it into http//
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15:13<isuckatlinux>GB, what do u get when u type uname -a
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15:19<GB>it is on now
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15:20<vortex>it might be one of the ipw drivers needed
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15:23<isuckatlinux>did u try the realtek driver i gave u?
15:24<GB>i do not know which i need?
15:24<GB>Linux driver for kernel 2.6.x (Support x86 and x64)
15:24<isuckatlinux>paste in there the output of uname -a
15:24<GB>Linux driver for kernel 2.4.x (Support x86 and x64)
15:24<isuckatlinux>do u have a 64 bits cpu?
15:25<lupine_85>you almost certainly require 2.6
15:25<GB>i dont know it is core 2duo
15:25<isuckatlinux>dude, uname -a will tell u what kernel u r using
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15:25<isuckatlinux>if its 2.6 u need the 2.6 driver
15:25<elvis2>i broke apt-get again :9
15:25<elvis2>refusing commands
15:26<elvis2>my wireless also wont work
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15:26<vortex>elvis2: what were you doing when it broke?
15:26<elvis2>it finaly picked it up but wont connect
15:26<elvis2>vortex last command i done in apt-get was wireless tools install
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15:26<isuckatlinux>elvis2, does ur ap use wpa or wep?
15:26<elvis2>apt-get install wirelesstools
15:26<lupine_85>an error message would be good
15:27<elvis2>isuckatlinux it can be both
15:27<vortex>elvis2: try running dpkg --configure -a
15:27<isuckatlinux>didnt know
15:28<isuckatlinux>cool, there is ur answer
15:28<isuckatlinux>x86 2.6
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15:28<lupine_85>zomg knoppix?
15:28<teste>Hi everyome
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15:28<teste>someone here knows how to make a ctrl + c uin a shell script ?
15:28<isuckatlinux>does anyone know a software that work to modify brightness in a sony vaio with nvidia 7400 video card?
15:29<ths_>does it exists viruses for linux?
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15:29<fxiny>another 2.4.x install ? in 2007 ? the curse of tutankamon strikes again ?
15:29<lupine_85>ths_: they exist, but you'll never be infected by one
15:29<lupine_85>well. unless you're really stupid /and/ really unlucky
15:29<ths_>lupine_85, why never??
15:29<isuckatlinux>thats why i use linux, im not smart enough to understand it but dont get infected either
15:29<lupine_85>because linux viruses have a devil of a time propagating
15:29<EmleyMoor>I'm having problems with my HPT302 controller and grub
15:29<ths_>lupine_85, what do you mean?
15:30<lupine_85>teste: send a kill signal
15:30<lupine_85>ths_: the viruses don't spread
15:30<isuckatlinux>that basically the linux architecture does not allow viruses as easily as windows does
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15:30<lupine_85>some bright spark makes one, and... it doesn't go anywhere. It /can't/ spread
15:30<teste>what you sed why I kill ?
15:30<vortex>there have a been a few linux virsuses that showed potential but not many
15:30<GB>now I have r8101-1.002.00 pasted on the desktop of linux
15:30<EmleyMoor>If I add a second disk, whether as primary slave, secondary master or secondary slave, grub from the primary master repeats "GRUB GRUB Loading stage1.5..." ad infinitum.
15:30<fxiny>seen it ? already talking about viruses . must be the old mummy walking :P
15:30<lupine_85>vortex: I can't think of one
15:30<EmleyMoor>Do I have a faulty controller?
15:31<vortex>i cant remember the name, but most were proof of concept
15:31<teste>something like sheel copy to make this script works
15:31<GB>what do I need to do next?
15:31<lupine_85>teste: ctrl+c is a sigkill, IIRC
15:31<Flimzy>if debootstrap experiences a "Failure while installing base packages." then exits after 5 attempts, and --verbose doesn't produce any additional information, how can I determine *why* it's failing?
15:31<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: Ctrl+c is SIGINT
15:31<isuckatlinux>GB. didn't realtelk had the .deb file?
15:31<isuckatlinux>you only need to compile it now
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15:31<lupine_85>vortex: there are loads of proof-of-concepts, that work in theory. In practice, /none/ of them are effective
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15:32<GB>but how?
15:32<vortex>lupine_85: true
15:32<GB>wha do i have to key in?
15:32<ths_>ah thx lupine_85
15:32<isuckatlinux>ok do u have make in ur system?
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15:32<isuckatlinux>what about gcc
15:32<vortex>EmleyMoor: kill -2 sends SIGINT to a process
15:32<teste>I didn't understand how I put that on script sigkill sigint
15:32<lupine_85>teste: are you trying to get the script itself to stop?
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15:33<lupine_85>or another system process?
15:33<EmleyMoor>vortex: Indeed... and if you Ctrl+C a process that responds to it, it too dies with signal 2.
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15:33<elvis2>thanks folkes
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15:33<isuckatlinux>GB: is that a debian binary or a source packet
15:33<teste>no i'm trying to make a ctrl + c to copy and have a copy append but I can just have one command per key
15:33<lupine_85>ah, it's called sigint? for interrupt? thanks
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15:34<lupine_85>teste: what on earth are you writing?
15:35<lupine_85>(append to copy buffer is associated with ctrl+k for me, incidentally)
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15:36<teste>I have a windows application that appends ctrl +c and with a ctrl v paste everything that have been selected so I'm using xclip to put the ctrl +c into a file but I can't make the linux copy and execute the xclip script to put the copy together
15:37<lupine_85>teste: append to a file is >>
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15:37<lupine_85>if I understand how you're using xclip
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15:38<EmleyMoor>Is there a good two-channel PATA controller card I can buy at the moment?
15:38<teste>to put the clipboard into a file to paste in the end
15:39<GB>isuckatlinux a ource packet
15:39<GB>source packet
15:39<teste>the append part is fine just the execute ctrl +c and the xclip script in the same time that is complicate
15:40<GB>'cd /home isnt working
15:42<EmleyMoor>Any economical additional IDE controllers available these days other than Highpoint?
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15:43<isuckatlinux>gb, apt-get install make
15:43<davi>Can I download a video from youtube or only watch it?
15:43<isuckatlinux>i saw a good pata controller in the microcenter website
15:44<vortex>davi: apt-get install youtube-dl
15:44<lupine_85>davi: youtube-dl is your friend
15:45<teste>lupine_85 do you have some append key in your system?
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15:47<isuckatlinux>Deltantor, do u use sony-laptop?
15:51<davi>lupine_85, vortex, Failed! youtube-dl ""
15:52<davi>Maybe some missing parameter? (Debian etch here)
15:52<davi> Error: unable to download video data.
15:53<davi>Should I supply a user/password as guest or something similar?
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15:59<EmleyMoor>Which processor family, as far as the kernel is concerned, does K6-2 belong to
15:59<lupine_85>686, I'm guessing
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16:00<lupine_85>I didn't know people still used k6-2s (my first 'real' processor was a k6-2 233 :D)
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16:00<tcsetattr>more like 586, I think. read the help text in make menuconfig
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16:09<EmleyMoor>tcsetattr: But there is no 586
16:10<isuckatlinux>use i386
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16:10<EmleyMoor>isuckatlinux: That's not there eithere
16:11<chealer>EmleyMoor: presumably MK6
16:11<EmleyMoor>486 doesn't work - it seems to be hanging the system
16:11<dli>EmleyMoor, apt-get install linux-image-486
16:11<EmleyMoor>chealer: No such thing, in the terms I am talking
16:12<EmleyMoor>dli: No good
16:12<chealer>EmleyMoor: are you talking about Debian stock images?
16:12<chealer>EmleyMoor: then 686 is the most optimal
16:13<qbit>also a really good snowgear company
16:14<EmleyMoor>It looks like I will have to hook up a keyboard and monitor merely to fix the thing
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16:25<isuckatlinux>anyone knows where i can get sony-laptop from?
16:26<davi>It seems FireFox plugin to download from youtube is falling too;
16:27<davi>So maybe youtube has changed something
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16:34<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... stock 686 iamge resets perpetually
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16:37<EmleyMoor>What stock kernel should a K6-2 use?
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16:45<EmleyMoor>I just replaced what I thought was a faulty sound card - now my system can't see it
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16:46<EmleyMoor>The replacement was supposedly similar
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16:48<stoned> hi
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16:50<john>how many free space on hard drive do i need to install basic system debian in X window system?
16:50<isuckatlinux>50 mb
16:51<isuckatlinux>plus a portion for swap
16:51<john>i would like only a graphical interface..
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16:58<chealer>john: 500 MB
16:58<john>do i understand good : swap is like additional, wirtual memory rigth?
16:59<n3x>apt-get build-dep linux-major
16:59<n3x>how come i get an errro when trying to run this ? apt-get build-dep linux-major
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17:00<john>chealer: can i install debian on my usb pendrive(2 GB capacity)?
17:01<chealer>john: yes
17:01<chealer>john: yes (to the first question too)
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17:01<chealer>john: (you don't need swap)
17:02<john>chealer:but it is recommended?
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17:03<chealer>john: depends on the size of your RAM and disk space. if you have little RAM and enough disk space, you should use swap, yes.
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17:04<john>chealer: my memory RAM size is not very big:256 MB
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17:10<john>chealer:thank you for helping me:) bye
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17:11<EmleyMoor>I can't get at the device /dev/dsp2 in audacity - it does however exist and work... why would that be?
17:11<chealer>EmleyMoor: 686, again
17:12<EmleyMoor>686 doesn't work. It perpetually resets.
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17:23<isuckatlinux>anyone knows where i can get sony-laptop from?
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17:28<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... found my second sound card in audacity but still getting nothing on it
17:28<krlos>hi.. i continue with my web cam on etch.. with a litle problem
17:29<krlos>there are some one who have install a webcam on etch
17:29<dli>isuckatlinux, I guess you mean sony-laptop support in kernel
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17:31<krlos>well.. i think none
17:31<krlos>well.. maybe if i exaplain my requste
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17:32<krlos>i have installed a webcam program for get picture ... the problem is after some time the webcam stop getting pictures
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17:37<ezra>anyone knows of a good auditing tools in debian to audit certain windows xp/2000 machines for weaknesses that make them give too much info about them?
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17:39<ben_goodger>hi ho
17:40<ben_goodger>how does one make vi operate in a typewriter-type mode where the cursor is always on the middle of the screen and the file is scrolled up and down around it?
17:40<ben_goodger>e.g. wordwise for the bbc micro.
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17:41<tcsetattr>that's a pretty weird request.
17:42<tcsetattr>if the only example you can come up with is the BBC Micro, maybe the features just isn't very widespread :)
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17:43<ben_goodger>nope, there's plenty of macintosh apps that do it too
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17:43<ben_goodger>I just remember the beeb one from my school
17:43<ben_goodger>(mac e.g. WriteRoom)
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17:44<isuckatlinux>yes, is there any way to add that sony-laptop to the stable kernel?
17:44<tcsetattr>there are plenty of vi commands for scrolling, and you could build more with macros. you're aware of ^E ^Y z. ?
17:45<ben_goodger>nope, I'm just starting
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17:45<ben_goodger>I've become aware that my workflow of gedit and gnome-terminal is horrid
17:45<isuckatlinux>or even better if i could do something to get spicctrl to work
17:45<tcsetattr>well ^E and ^Y scroll up and down without doing anything else (the cursor scrolls along with the screen) and z. jumps the current line to the middle of the screen
17:45<ben_goodger>something like scrivener or writeroom is quite nice
17:47<tcsetattr>in vim, there's zz which is like z. but better (because the z. also moves the cursor to the beginning of the line which you probably didn't want it to do)
17:49<n3x>subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 17
17:49<n3x>Errors were encountered while processing:
17:49<tcsetattr>n3x is back!
17:49<ben_goodger>I could map [UPARROW] to ^Ez then
17:49<tcsetattr>more like kzz, I think.
17:50<tcsetattr>if the file is less than a screenful of lines, the scrolling commands won't necessarily do what you want. (the top line of the file is never below the top line of the screen)
17:50<ben_goodger>I think I need to give some more money to o'reilly
17:51<tcsetattr>if you want an editor that lets you define exotic modes that have little or no resemblance to anything normal, try emacs
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17:52<n3x>i use NANO, PICO
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17:53<ben_goodger>nano is notepad in CLI.
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17:56<eliteforce>is switched from postifx to exim4 and i'm having problems with getting minimalist mailinglist manager work again. i didnt need to touch postfix's config file at all, just the aliases file. when i try to send a mail to the minimalist the mail is getting discarded. exim4 mainlog line says "|/usr/bin/minimalist ... pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router"
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17:56<Guest2945>hey can anyone help explain LVM to me
17:57<dli>!tell Guest2942 about lvm
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17:58<Guest2945>well i have read about it, but I just have a question. I have two 6 gig hard drives. Is it possibal that I can set one up as a physical LVM thing, and when the other harddrive runs out of space it will write to the physical LVM?
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17:58<ben_goodger>you'd have to make them both part of the same LVM
17:58<Guest2945>i see
17:59<Guest2945>but that is theoritcally possible?
17:59<fsateler>!tell fsateler about lvm
17:59<n3x>!tell n3x about lvm
17:59<ben_goodger>ffs, /msg dpkg lvm
17:59<Guest2945>will ihave to re install debian or can i do it with my current setup
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18:00<ben_goodger>well, all data on a disk/partition will be erased when making it an LVM group, so...
18:00<Guest2945>k so thats what i do then, make it an LVM group
18:01<Guest2945>i want to maximaize my space
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18:02<dli>Guest2942, the easiest way would be backup & reinstall
18:02<Guest2945>what shold i use during my install
18:02<Guest2945>select both of them as physical LVMs, or is there a link you could shoot me that has a guide
18:03<ben_goodger>the debian installer partman module has some magical shizz about this
18:04<n3x>ben goodger
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18:05<n3x>is there a way to RECOMPILE the kernel that debain is using as default ?
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18:06<ben_goodger>er, yes
18:06<ben_goodger>no idea how.
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18:08<dli>n3x, the easiest way would be: apt-get -b source linux-image-2.6
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18:09<dli>n3x, oh, you have to specify which linux-image, iirc
18:12<eliteforce>woah this exim4 config is brutal
18:13<n3x>apt-get -b source linux-image-2.6.18-4-686
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18:15<morgul>ola tengo una pregunta: Como puedo dejar corriendo Bitchx en el fondo de escritorio?
18:17<tcsetattr>en ingles, morgul :)
18:17<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:17<morgul>xD thanks
18:18<morgul>how can i put mi bitchx terminal in the desk bottom ?
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18:19<isuckatlinux>to tell the truth, #debian-es is not very helpful
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18:20<lupine_85>I imagine it would seem more helpful if you were unable to speak any english at all :)
18:20<morgul>my english is bad but somebody understand mi dude?
18:21<isuckatlinux>they will say just ask!
18:22<morgul>how can i put my bitchx console at bottom of the desk?
18:22<lupine_85>I think morgul wants to set an xterm running bitchx as his/her root window?
18:22<tcsetattr>I can't figure out what the "bottom of the desk" is
18:22<tcsetattr>sounds like a request to move a window but surely people can figure that out
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18:22<n3x>oh great
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18:23<isuckatlinux>is not ur english, what do u mean exactly on the desktop?
18:23<isuckatlinux>like a desklet?
18:23<morgul>i want
18:23<morgul>a bitchx running
18:23<morgul>in bottom
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18:26<isuckatlinux>morgul means like windows when it uses active content and runs within the desktop, anyone have seen that?
18:26<lupine_85>personally (in KDE) I would hack it by starting a konsole, then setting it "Keep Below Others" and "Fullscreen" (or maximise + no border)
18:26<morgul>yes something like that
18:27<morgul>i use gnome
18:27<lupine_85>metacity isn't all that flexible, IIRC
18:28<morgul>i saw it in a lap of a person in flisol
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18:29<morgul>but i havent got a idea to do this
18:30<morgul>i try with a alltray
18:30<morgul>but is not to i want
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18:31<morgul>you do this in kde
18:32<morgul>in gnome is like this too?
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18:32<lupine_85>that might be what you want
18:33<lupine_85>(it links to )
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18:35<morgul>thats is just i want
18:35<lupine_85>that's what I like to hear :). good luck with it - devilspie is a really cool program
18:36<tcsetattr>IRC in root window? seriously?
18:36<lupine_85>I just have a workspace devoted to it
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18:37<lupine_85>if I were using irssi, it would be in yakuake (like a quake console)
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18:45<EmleyMoor>What does it mean when I get the error: ERRDOS - ERRnomem when trying to mount smbfs from a nearby Windows box?
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18:45<lupine_85>ERRnomem seems fairly self-explanatory
18:46<EmleyMoor>Yes, but it's not true
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18:46<bluntman225>whats the best lightweight WM out there for you guys to recommend
18:47<Otakon>what's the name of the ipv6 server of this net?
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18:48<lupine_85>bluntman225: ion3 gets good reviews off a bunch of my friends
18:48[~]lupine_85 sticks with kwin anyway :p
18:48<Otakon>it isn't
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18:49<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
18:49<morgul>thats wooork greaat !!
18:49<lupine_85>Otakon: 60 IN AAAA 2001:610:6b1:0:a8cc:ff:fe10:105
18:49<morgul>thanks again!
18:51<Otakon>good night at all :D
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18:52<n3x>!tell lupine_85 about sex
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18:52<morgul>i have this line at startup
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18:52<lupine_85>you're not being very clever, n3x. Just leave me alone
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18:52<n3x>;x whats up
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18:53<azeem>n3x: please stop harrassing random people
18:53<n3x>wtf ?
18:53<lupine_85>it's hardly random; more like a directed campaign :p
18:53<lupine_85>stuff it, I'll just /ignore
18:53<morgul>gnome-termina --window-with-profile=DesktopConsole
18:53<morgul>how can i do
18:53<morgul>to run bitchx automatic?
18:54<n3x>goto the start menu, click on all programs and add the shortcut to the startup folder, heh
18:54<bluntman225>if i have a computer with 2 lan ports, would it be possible to use it as a makeshift hub?
18:54<morgul>becouse i use devilspie
18:55<stroyan>morgul: You can change the profile to run a specific command. Edit->Current Profile->Title and Command
18:55<morgul>to init a console background at start
18:55<lupine_85>morgul: stroyan knows what s/he is talking about. I don't have a clue inside GNOME :)
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18:55<bluntman225>or use a computer with 2 lan cards as a wired access point to extend my LAN
18:56<n3x>for kde, you could add the bitch script in ~/.kde/Autostart
18:56<eliteforce>does anyone know if its possible to limit the number of unix sockets master (from postfix) is using?
18:56<morgul>here: gnome-termina --window-with-profile=DesktopConsole
18:56<morgul>how will be?
18:56<amphi>bluntman225: you could use it as a router for another machine, if that's what you mean
18:57<Tranqgreen>I have fluxbox and aterm, I edited the aterm through a tutorial awhile back and now that i have changed the theme one flux I need to change the transparency on aterm
18:57<bluntman225>yes that is what i want to do amphi
18:57<stroyan>morgul: gnome-terminals have a menu that can be used to set the command run for a specific profile.
18:57<morgul>aaa in the profile i can add bitchx ?
18:57<stroyan>morgul: Your desktop pinning trick might be making that menu unavailable in your desktop window.
18:57<Tranqgreen>I have looked through the tutorials on google and fluxbox docs and I didnt do it the xdefaults/xsession way so Im lost and cant find the tutorial I used
18:58<Tranqgreen>anyone have any Ideas about where to look to just get aterm aback to normal balck bg with white txt
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18:59<stroyan>morgul: On the gnome-terminal profile editing dialog there is a "Title and Command" tab. That has a "Run a custom command" checkbox.
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18:59<Tranqgreen>uninstalling and reinstalling aterm didnt work either so ...
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19:00<ErJeDi>sorry got to go byeee and good night to all people
19:01<somae>can anyone recommend where to find easy to understand info on how to setup postfix or exim4 for dynamic dsl?
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19:01<EmleyMoor>Anyone ever seen the problem I'm having with my HPT302? GRUB fails to load stage1.5, trying perpetually, if I put a second hd anywhere on that controller
19:01<morgul>now is working great!!
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19:01<Tranqgreen>NVM I am a very large dumbass
19:01<bluntman225>!tell bluntman225 scp
19:01<bluntman225>!tell bluntman225 sftp
19:02<morgul>stroyan lupine_85 thanks thanks very much!
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19:03<stroyan>somae: Do you really want the home system to receive email? I would be easier to pull mail to it with fetchmail.
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19:06<somae>stroyan: I'm having trouble using mixmaster
19:06<somae>evolution functions ok
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19:07<EmleyMoor>What hard drive controller cards work well these days?
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19:08<stroyan>somae: I set up postfix to send mail and fetchmail to pull it. But I wouldn't call it easy.
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19:08[~]stroyan needs to run to dinner now. That's it, yeah, dinner.... :-)
19:09<somae>ok -thanks
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19:09<lupine_85>cursed lack of sleep powah
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19:20<dpkg>one warez list being sent to claudio
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19:20<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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19:21<jrick>is there any way that I can make krusader my default file manager in kde instead of konqueror?
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19:23<lupine_85>jrick: kcontrol->kde components->file associations?
19:23<lupine_85>everything in linux /is/ a file, after all... :)
19:24<lupine_85>if you associate inode/* and media/* with krusader (maybe some others too), that should do the trick
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19:25<jrick>don't know what that last one means, but where could I find the filemanager in File Associations?
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19:26<lupine_85>"File Associations" tells KDE what application to open a given file type in
19:26<lupine_85>directories are a type of file, opened (by default) with konqueror, contained under the "inode" known class supertype
19:26<jrick>so I add inode/* and media/*, everything should work?
19:27<lupine_85>seems reasonably likely.
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19:27<jrick>all right, inode/* is there. Do I need to do anything else?
19:28<jrick>aah, add app.
19:28<lupine_85>that's the one :)
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19:30<jrick>ok, so 'kfmclient openProfile filemanagement' is the command under the "Home" application
19:30<lupine_85>I.. have no idea what that does
19:30<jrick>krusader isn't opening by clicking that.
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19:32<jrick>ahh, there's an ubuntu script here:
19:33<jrick>i wonder how kubuntu is making dolphin (3.x) the default in gusty...
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19:38<jrick>found it!!! inode -> directory, then add krusader to the top of the list.
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19:38<jrick>maybe i'll add dolphin while i'm at it
19:38<lupine_85>really, they should add themselves :/
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19:40<jrick>well it's not loading it now, maybe i have to restart kde
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19:43<[p0lar]>i allready found the problem about the kernel and the mkinitrd the problem is that the new stable kernel in cannot use the mkinitrd because the new kernel uses udev instead of devfs ...
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19:51<jrick>still opening with konqueror!!! :(
19:52<jrick>do I need to edit my krusader command?
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20:01<janux-xmind>does someone know how to use virtualbox?
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20:34<trebol6>hi all
20:34<trebol6>can anyone explain this frase to me? : Except in expert mode, non-critical kernel boot messages are suppressed.
20:34<trebol6>im traslating it
20:34<trebol6>anyone alive?
20:35<lupine_85>unless you boot the installer with the "expert" bootloader option, the kernel give any boot messages about anything that won't stop it from booting
20:35<lupine_85>erm, the kernel won't*
20:37<trebol6> critical messages are always shown, other messages are only shown in expert mode yes?
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20:51<scratch>I've got a new gateway laptop back at my office I'm trying to put Debian on for a client. It loaded fine but after quitting X to return to the console I get a blank screen. Any tips?
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21:21<Aleric>I am trying to get mutt to start an external program, but immediately continue.
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21:22<Aleric>However, it seems that it's waiting (waitpid(2)) until all children have exitted.
21:22<Aleric>So, what I need is a way to start a process and TOTALLY disconnect it from the parent.
21:22<Aleric>I think that is normally done by forking twice. How to simulate that in a shell script?
21:23<tcsetattr>couldn't you just put a & on the command to background it?
21:23<Aleric>I did, but then it still waits for that process to finish.
21:23<tcsetattr>that's pretty unlikely. how are you invoking this external command?
21:23<Aleric>I think one '&' is one fork - so I'd need two of those in a row :)
21:24<Aleric>Via the mailcap
21:24<Aleric>I open a mail with application/x-whatever
21:24<Aleric>In the .mutt/mailcap I tell mutt to run a program such mails.
21:24<tcsetattr>maybe there's a pipe that it's reading... try using >/dev/null 2>&1 <&- &
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21:25<Aleric>The shell script that I start from the mailcap now does this:
21:25<Aleric>nohup sh -c "sleep 60 && rm /tmp/$FILE.$$.html" &
21:25<Aleric>How should I change that then?
21:25<tcsetattr>wow, nohup should definitely be strong enough
21:26<tcsetattr>you're doing nothing with the file besides sleep and remove it? :)
21:26<Aleric>Well, the next line is:
21:26<Aleric>firefox -remote "openFile(file://$PWD/$FILE.$$.html, new-window)"
21:26<Aleric>At that point the file still must exist :)
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21:27<tcsetattr>ok, first of all, the way to find out for sure why mutt is waiting would be to strace -p `pidof mutt` while it's doing it.
21:27<Arron>what is a good anonymous lightweight ftp server that is easy to config/run?
21:27<Aleric>Ok, let me see what it's doing...
21:28<Aleric>Process 24547 attached - interrupt to quit
21:29<Aleric>It's hanging, indeed on a blocking read
21:29<tcsetattr>see, it's not waitpid, it's reading. probably from a pipe connected to your script's stdout
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21:29<tcsetattr>I assume firefox -remote exits quickly
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21:29<tcsetattr>you've tested this?
21:29<Aleric>I'll close the stdin/stdout of the sh.
21:29<tcsetattr>not what it _should_ do but what it actually _does_?
21:29<Aleric>Starting firefox...
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21:30<Aleric>That is printed fast after another
21:30<tcsetattr>you could run pstree -lp `pidof mutt` to see all of its descendants
21:30<tcsetattr>that might give a hint what process is still connected to that pipe
21:30<Aleric>Already did - the sleep has sh which has 1 as parent
21:30<tcsetattr>but a quick solution would be to exec >/dev/null 2>&1 at the top of the script
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21:31<Aleric>Just that?
21:31<tcsetattr>you can actually match up pipe file descriptors by doing ls -l /proc/$PID/fd/* and looking at the inode numbers... but this is sort of advanced :)
21:31<Aleric>exec >/dev/null 2>&1
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21:31<Aleric>I thought 'exec' needs to be followed by command
21:31<tcsetattr>yes. it's sort of a magical meaning of exec. without a command, you can use it to do redirections on the shell's own file descriptors.
21:32<Aleric>kewl, lemme do that.
21:32<Aleric>Um, can't print the 'Done' anymore then.
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21:32<tcsetattr>does the "Done" matter?
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21:36<Aleric>tcsetattr: I guess not... And it works :)
21:37<Aleric>(exec > /dev/null 2>&1 && nohup sh -c "sleep 60 && rm /tmp/$FILE.$$.html" &)
21:37<Aleric>That also works :), and then I can still print things.
21:37<tcsetattr>you just did the exec>/dev/null in the nohup part?!
21:37<Aleric>I start by adding it at the top of the script.
21:38<tcsetattr>nohup should be doing that for you. I guess that's why I've never used nohup. it doesn't do what I think it obviously should.
21:38<tcsetattr>/usr/bin/setsid seems to do a better job
21:38<Aleric>I don't think the nohup is really needed - anyway, this closes the stdin/stdout of the sh.
21:39<tcsetattr>you could always exec >/dev/tty, similar idea (gets you off the pipe if there was one) but leaves you writing to the terminal
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21:42<Aleric>Say, I have another interesting(?) problem :). I am using qemu/kvm to run winXP on linux, and run some program in winXP that connects to the internet. Reason is obviously that this closed source program only is supported on winblows.
21:43<Aleric>Now I want to reverse engineer the protocol that this program is using to connect to some server.
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21:43<Aleric>(So I can write a program for linux that does the same).
21:44<Aleric>However, I don't even know to what server it connects, and netstat isn't showing anything, since winXP isn't calling any linux library functions.
21:44<Aleric>I suppose I should be able to see the tcp/ip traffic somehow though, got any ideas?
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21:45<lupine_85>Aleric: ethereal/wireshark is your friend
21:45<lupine_85>that, and tcpdump
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21:47<tcsetattr>sniffing packets is easy enough without running in an emulated machine
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21:48<tcsetattr>and will do you no good if the nasty program is using encryption
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22:23<Arron>what is that little x doc thingie that you can put program icons in it to run on your desktop?
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22:36<Patricio>hey guys......I booted up a moment ago and KDE did not start up......went to a prompt and I had to type 'startx' and it took me to gnome....whats the deal here? Anyone got any advice for me on this one?
22:37<maxamillion>Patricio: .xinitrc
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22:37<dpkg>xinitrc is probably just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession")
22:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips:
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22:38<maxamillion>Patricio: ah, there you go ... check that link, it should explain alot :)
22:38<Melio>I'm new to debian, but I'm really impressed, i was able to get a base install netinst cd.iso image from console to gnome in less then 30 minutes
22:38<maxamillion>Patricio: startx is basically just a frontend to xinit
22:38<Melio>and xchat running and all that jazz
22:38<Melio>I was a bit surprized to do it without documentation
22:38<Patricio>thank you :-)
22:38<Melio>because apt-get is fast and reliable
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22:38<Melio>easy easy
22:38<maxamillion>Melio: well welcome to our wonderful world of stable software, i believe you will enjoy your stay
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22:38<maxamillion>Patricio: anytime :)
22:38<Melio>thanks maxamillion
22:39<Melio>is there a howto on how to setup java?
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22:39<Melio>I'd like to run some java based applications
22:39<Melio>I installed java common. but I'm not sure if that'll work
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22:39<dpkg>Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>.
22:39<maxamillion>ah, oops
22:40<maxamillion>!install java
22:40<dpkg>hmm... install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/lenny/sid.
22:40<maxamillion>Melio: short answer is 'apt-get install sun-java5-jdk' (its the standard development kit, but it will install everything else for that you will need as a dependency)
22:40<Melio>!install java
22:40<dpkg>[install java] First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/lenny/sid.
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22:41<Melio>lemme look in non-free on synaptic
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22:41<maxamillion>Melio: you might also need "sun-java5-plugin" for your browser
22:43<Melio>yeah got that
22:43<Melio>and fonts
22:43<Melio>just incase
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22:43<Melio>this is alot easyer then fedora
22:43<maxamillion>Melio: yeah, those too
22:43<Melio>they make you download the bin from sun
22:43<Melio>cause they don't wanna deal with licsensing
22:44<Melio>the user should be lazy. not the developent :p
22:44<maxamillion>Melio: yeah ... you'd be surprised how many things are easier in debian than other distros and how many people using other distros would complain about "how hard it is to use debian"
22:44<Melio>I havent had a single tripup
22:44<Melio>this is amazingly easy
22:44<Melio>I went from cli as a total newb
22:44<Melio>to gui in 1 hour
22:44<Melio>with everything defualt from a netinst cd
22:45<Melio>if I did that in fedora, I would break the installer for going to fast
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22:45<Melio>is there a place where I can talk about getting stuff like never winter nights working in linux?
22:46<Patricio>max: I was not able to login into kde after I rebooted.....could you possibly assist me a lil further in solving this problem?
22:46<Melio>maxamillion, that's another thing, I havent rebooted yet
22:46<Melio>totally forgot abotu that
22:46<Melio>I'v even updated this thing
22:46<maxamillion>Melio: one thing i will advise though is that if you like synaptic, then only use synaptic and same goes for apt-get, aptitude, etc... because if you start mixing package managers then things get sticky
22:46<Melio>I should tho
22:46<Melio>yeah I'm aware of mixing repos, not package managers tho
22:47<Melio>I'll use synaptic
22:47<lupine_85>it's mostly aptitude vs. the others
22:47<maxamillion>Melio: yes, when you get a kernel update and need to reboot it will *should* tell you that you need to, but alot of updates are able to be applied without a reboot needed
22:47<Melio>aptitude is nice. but I won't use it
22:47<lupine_85>as for NWN... might work under wine
22:47<Melio>it works in linux
22:47<lupine_85>wait. NWN1 has a linux client
22:47<Melio>there's a linux client now
22:47<Melio>just needs the dvd
22:47[~]maxamillion uses aptitude ... the cli version, not the ncurses ui one
22:47<Melio>I just bought it, just have not installed it
22:48<Melio>maxamillion, you sir are hardcore
22:48<lupine_85>you d/l it, extract & run. it's pretty easy... there's a howto on the nwn official site
22:48<Melio>ty lupine_85
22:48<Patricio>maxamillion: I was not able to get into kde at boot........could you please assist me a lil further in detail?
22:48<Melio>Patricio, oh your talking about run levels
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22:48<Melio>yeah how do I get this to load gnome at boot?
22:48<maxamillion>Melio: naw, i've just been doing it for almost a decade and when i started cli was the only way ... but i only switched from apt-get to aptitude a couple years ago, but the cli habbit just never got broken
22:49<Melio>what file to edit for debian for runlevel defualts
22:49<lupine_85>Melio: do you have gdm installed?
22:49<Melio>yeah it comes with gnome
22:49<maxamillion>Patricio: well, i honestly don't use kde so i can't promise much... but i will do my best
22:49<Melio>another thing I need to edit is the xorg.conf
22:49<lupine_85>cool. Well, it gets an initscript in /etc/init.d, symlinked to /etc/rc2.d
22:49<Melio>this is an nvidia card, and I have dual display
22:49<Patricio>at does act like it is going to load and give me the propmt to enter username and pass.....but it does not
22:49<lupine_85>(2 is the default runlevel in debian; you can change it by modifying /etc/inittab)
22:50<maxamillion>Patricio: ooooh, it sounds like you have a problem with X11 ... not KDE
22:50<lupine_85>you'll have /var/log/Xorg.0.log ... error message in there?
22:50<maxamillion>Patricio: do you normally get a graphical login screen?
22:50<matthewpoer>Concerning git, the version control system. Is there some sort of server I need to run with it, or does it just act on the files themselves in whatever directory I choose?
22:50<Patricio>maxamillion: yes I do
22:51<lupine_85>matthewpoer: you don't need a server program to run git
22:51<Melio>oh wow. differnt runlevels here
22:51<Melio>ok no biggie.
22:51<Melio>i'm used to run level 5 as gui login
22:51<lupine_85>Melio: 2 ~= 5; the rest are all identical to each other anyway
22:52<Melio>so if I want gnome to start by defualt
22:52<Melio>with a userid/password gdm greeter
22:52<matthewpoer>I just sort of run the command (git init-db seems to create a repository)
22:52<lupine_85>you make sure gdm is in runlevel 2
22:52<Melio>in inittab
22:52<lupine_85>(/etc/rc2.d/S??gdm exists)
22:52<Melio>yeah it's there
22:52<maxamillion>Patricio: when you login at the terminal type "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and read the errors... see if anything looks like it failed
22:52<Melio>I watched it install lupine_85
22:53<Patricio>maxamillion: I have found two things that failed.......
22:53<maxamillion>Patricio: what are they?
22:55<Patricio>maxamillion: '/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic' does not exist and '/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType' does not exist
22:55<Melio>lupine_85, oh crap it's not there
22:55<Patricio>those are the only two
22:55<maxamillion>Patricio: interesting ....
22:55<Melio>lupine_85, how do I symlink it to that dir?
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22:55<Patricio>uh oh
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22:56<SeanW727>Hey Guys
22:56<maxamillion>Patricio: from the command line do me a favore and run the command (as root) "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and then follow the on screen guide ... let me know if that helps
22:56<lupine_85>ln -s /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm
22:56<Patricio>one moment please
22:56<maxamillion>Patricio: k
22:56<Melio>ok lemme reboot
22:56<Melio>and I'll assuem gnome is gonna startup at boot
22:56<Melio>be back in a sec
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22:57<Patricio>maxamillion: dpkg tells me that '--reconfigure' is an unknown option.........???
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22:57<rodrigo>good night
22:57<lupine_85>dpkg-reconfigure, not dpkg --reconfigure ?
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22:57<maxamillion>Patricio: please re-read the command i asked you to run
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23:00<Patricio>maxamillion: I apologize for the mistake......I have went through the process of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.......should my next move be to reboot and see if kde loads?
23:00<lupine_85>just run /etc/init.d/kdm reload
23:01<maxamillion>Patricio: what lupine_85 said
23:01<Patricio>while I am in gnome?
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23:02<Patricio>maxamillion: I run the command and it tells me that there is no such file or directory
23:02<maxamillion>Patricio: run it as root
23:03<lupine_85>so you haven't got kdm installed?
23:03<Patricio>I did have
23:03<maxamillion>Patricio: or you might not have kdm and the command would be "/etc/init.d/gdm restart"
23:03<lupine_85>ewwww, gdm :p
23:03<Patricio>one sec please
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23:04<maxamillion>lupine_85: what's wrong with gdm?
23:04<lupine_85>it starts with a g
23:04[~]lupine_85 realises something
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23:04<Patricio>maxamillion: that just stopped and started my Gnome......
23:04<lupine_85>か が
23:04<lupine_85>one is 'ka', the other 'ga'
23:04<maxamillion>lupine_85: lol
23:05<maxamillion>Patricio: you didn't get a login window?
23:05<lupine_85>amazing what you notice at 5am
23:05<Patricio>maxamillion: nope.....
23:05<lupine_85>if kdm isn't the default desktop manager, it won't do anything funky. dpkg-reconfigure kdm
23:05<Patricio>maxamillion: I run the command 'startkde' and I get several errors.....
23:06<lupine_85>though, if kde is installed, you should be able to select a kde session from the gdm 'sessions...' menu
23:06<maxamillion>Patricio: what branch of debian are you running?
23:06<Patricio>maxamillion: 2.6.18-4-686 lenny
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23:07<maxamillion>lupine_85: think its possible that kde is temporarily broken in lenny?
23:07<melio>that worked great. thanks lupine_85
23:07<lupine_85>nope; I'm running lenny + kde
23:07<maxamillion>lupine_85: lol .. well there went that theory
23:08<Patricio>I run 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm' and it says kdm is not installed
23:08<maxamillion>well there is problem #1
23:08<maxamillion>Patricio: what package manager do you use?
23:09<melio>why wouldnt kdm be installed
23:09<Patricio>I am doing apt-get install kdm
23:09<melio>try reinstalling kde
23:09<melio>it may not have selected a current package
23:09<maxamillion>Patricio: apt-get install kdm kde
23:09<melio>yeah or that
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23:09<Patricio>maxamillion: am giving it a shot
23:09[~]maxamillion thinks there is something more than kdm messed up here
23:09<maxamillion>Patricio: k
23:09<melio>if you get kde, it should get kdm with it
23:09<melio>logically speaking
23:10<Patricio>maxamillion: so far so good
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23:10<Patricio>maxamillion: was able to choose the default login......kde or gnome
23:10<lupine_85>kdm is part of kdebase, yeah
23:11<lupine_85>Patricio: you selected kde?
23:11<Patricio>lupine_85: yes I did
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23:12<Patricio>ok........I ran the command '/etc/init.d/kdm reload' and it says that kdm is not running
23:12<maxamillion>Patricio: ok '/etc/init.d/kdm start'
23:12<SeanW727>Question. "The underlying authorization mechanism (sudo) does not allow you to run this program. Contact the system administrator"
23:12<SeanW727>what should i do.
23:12<Patricio>maxamillion: it started
23:12<melio>what are you running sean?
23:13<lupine_85>SeanW727: contact the system administrator
23:13<SeanW727>i am the sys admin
23:13<maxamillion>SeanW727: add the program to the list of allowed programs in sudoers
23:13<melio>sean the cd?
23:13<SeanW727>where is sudoers
23:13[~]maxamillion notes that this is a prime example of why he doesn't bother with sudo
23:14<melio>I never have issues with sudo
23:14<SeanW727>Permission Denied
23:14<melio>type su -
23:14<melio>then edit it
23:14<SeanW727>stil denied
23:14<Patricio>forget about me there guys?
23:14<melio>nothing should be denied from su -
23:14<maxamillion>Patricio: you said it started ... that's the last we heard of you
23:14<lupine_85>well, if there's no root password....
23:14<Patricio>what now?
23:14<lupine_85>...due to using sudo...
23:14<SeanW727>I have a root password.
23:15<maxamillion>Patricio: what started?
23:15<lupine_85>well, start a login session as root and pwn it then
23:15<Patricio>maxamillion: kdm
23:15<lupine_85>Patricio: so choose a KDE session and login
23:15<maxamillion>Patricio: again ... what lupine_85 said
23:15<melio>lupine does debian use switchdesk?
23:15<lupine_85>nexrt week: breathing 101
23:15[~]maxamillion needs to stop trying to multitask ... lupine_85 keeps beating me :P
23:16<melio>or just a greeter session changer
23:16<lupine_85>melio: I've never heard of switchdesk
23:16<melio>ok probably not then
23:16<SeanW727>Hrm.... Maybe i didn't setup a root?
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23:17<Patricio>maxamillion: I run /etc/init.d/kdm reload and nothing happens
23:17[~]lupine_85 turns the sarcasm meter up to 11
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23:17<Patricio>it says it reloaded though
23:17<maxamillion>Patricio: why did you run that? ... you just said kdm started
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23:17<lupine_85>SeanW727: can you run "sudo passwd" ?
23:18<SeanW727>good news is that this is installed on a laptop... so i'm on both right now.
23:18<Patricio>maxamillion: been a long do I choose a KDE session?
23:18<SeanW727>i restarted... give me a few mins.
23:18<SeanW727>wait is it bad if i was in single user mode?
23:18<lupine_85>not particularly
23:18<SeanW727>sorry. today's my first time using debian.
23:19<maxamillion>Patricio: i'm not familiar, i don't use kdm, i use gdm ... but in gdm you clock on "sessions" and then click on "kde"
23:19<lupine_85>it's the same in KDM
23:19<maxamillion>lupine_85: thanks for the clarification :)
23:19<SeanW727>"Sean is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported"
23:20<lupine_85>and you can't login as root in any way, shape or form?
23:20[~]maxamillion slaps sudo for its insolence
23:20<SeanW727>should i logout... and use Root as my username?
23:20<lupine_85>you should certainly give it a try
23:20<lupine_85>or switch to a different vt (crtl+alt+Fn)
23:21<Patricio>maxamillion: I click sessions......and kde is not listed......should I add it?
23:21<lupine_85>Patricio: if it's not listed, KDE isn't installed...
23:21<Patricio>maxamillion and lupine_85: it says kde is already newest version
23:22<Patricio>my thoughts as well
23:22<lupine_85>and the version is? (apt-cache policy kde)
23:22<Patricio>lupine_85: 'Installed 5:47'
23:23<lupine_85>mm, same here
23:23<SeanW727>? Still Nothing.
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23:24<Patricio>reboot and see if graphical interface comes up?
23:24<lupine_85>SeanW727: if your root password isn't working, you probably typed it in wrong. Reboot, and edit your grub boot line; append "init=/bin/bash"
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23:24<tbrock>hey guys, how do you do software raid
23:24<lupine_85>that'll get you a shell as uid 0 so you can do whatever you need to
23:25<SeanW727>so after restart i login and go into terminal?
23:25<maxamillion>!raid > tbrock
23:25<SeanW727>or when do i do the init=/bin/bash
23:25<lupine_85>no, after you restart but before linux boots
23:25<lupine_85>you get a grub screen
23:25<SeanW727>oh ok
23:25<lupine_85>append init to the kernel bootline
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23:25<Patricio>should I reboot and see if graphical interface comes up?
23:25<SeanW727>i see.... GNU Grub version 0.97
23:26<SeanW727>should i press c for command line?
23:26<lupine_85>SeanW727: no, you should press 'e 'to edit
23:26<tbrock>that didn't show me anything
23:26<tbrock>i think it was supposed to send me a link or something
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23:26<dpkg>raid is, like, Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid],
23:26<lupine_85>Patricio: you said the GUI has come up. Rebooting isn't likely to change the list of sessions
23:26<tbrock>i know, i'm just wondering how to do software raid in debian
23:26<lupine_85>(since it reads those on load from /usr/share/xsessions)
23:26<SeanW727>Ok. Now should i press B to boot with root?
23:27<tbrock>i was wondering if there was a guide or something
23:27<lupine_85>SeanW727: if it's edited to your satisfaction, yes
23:27<Patricio>maxamillion and lupine_85: gonna try anyways...brb
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23:28<lupine_85>Windows refugee?
23:28<maxamillion>well i am calling it a night ... always a pleasure! i'm sure i will be back soon
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23:28<SeanW727>ok after i press E... what do i do?
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23:29<tbrock>nobody has a guide anywhere for setting up a mirror
23:29<lupine_85>you need to append 'init=/bin/bash' to the grub kernel boot line
23:29<tbrock>or can point me in the right direction
23:29<mikg>how to forge?
23:29<lupine_85>that may involve pressing down once and e again
23:29<lupine_85>there are on-screen instructions
23:29<SeanW727>ok so afterwards.. it says "root (hd0,0) init=bin/bash
23:30<lupine_85>no. that's the root boot line, not the kernel boot line
23:30<lupine_85>it should say kernel (blah) init=...
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23:30<SeanW727>hopefully this works... I appreciate the help.
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23:31<Patricio> boot it said that Gnome was not the default interface and then it said it loaded KDE......but it went to a command line instead
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23:32<lupine_85>if kdm isn't loading, xorg is fux0red
23:32<SeanW727>-su: /etc/sudoers:Permission Denied.
23:34<SeanW727>oh i have to do su then my username?
23:34<lupine_85>no, if you've done it right you shouldn't have had to login; and you should be root
23:35[~]Patricio wonders what he has done?
23:36<tbrock>do you need to add something special to the kernel to get /proc/mdstat
23:36<tbrock>i was reading this guide and I don't have that for some reason
23:36<lupine_85>Patricio: is ksmserver installed?
23:36<Patricio>yes it is
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23:38<SeanW727>ok now when i press e i see <=/bin/bash
23:38<SeanW727>when i press it on the kernel line that is
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23:39<lupine_85>it's a simple editor interface. I can't walk you through it
23:39<SeanW727>is there a way to save my changes?
23:39<lupine_85>yes; by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst
23:40<lupine_85>but this is a one-time change, to fix your root login
23:40<SeanW727>ok now i booted it... and its saying root@(none):/#
23:40<lupine_85>woo yay etc
23:41<lupine_85>step 1 would be to run passwd, to set the root password
23:41<lupine_85>step 2 would be to fix sudo
23:41<lupine_85>or get rid of it, whichever
23:41[~]lupine_85 updates his lenny with trepidation
23:41<SeanW727>passwd: Authentication token lock busy passwd: Password unchanged
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23:42<lupine_85>well, that's a new one on me. / isn't mounted ro, by any chance, is it?
23:42<SeanW727>oh it is.
23:43<SeanW727>Hahaha thats why.
23:43<lupine_85>that might be it, yeah
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23:43<SeanW727>grub edit> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-486 root=/dev/hda1
23:43<SeanW727>there was a RO at the end... i deleted it
23:44<Patricio>ok......I ran the command 'startkde' and I get this error: communication problem with kded, it probably crashed.
23:44<lupine_85>no, that's not it
23:46<lupine_85>mount -l will tell you if the partition is mounted rw (read-write) or ro (read-only)
23:48<lupine_85>Patricio: so many things could cause that, it's unreal
23:48<Patricio>is what I am afraid of........
23:49<SeanW727>passwd: password updated successfully
23:49<Patricio>I hate gnome
23:49<SeanW727>i set it to rw instead of ro
23:49<p-a-v>Patricio: its been a long time i started kde that way.. i used to do it like startx -e startkde or something so
23:49<lupine_85>SeanW727: meh. well, now reboot. you should be able to login as root with that password now
23:50<Patricio>p-a-v: gives me new error......'Server is already active for display 0
23:50<lupine_85>that would be your currently-running X server..
23:51<SeanW727>is it ok that it told me "Unix password changed"
23:51<lupine_85>only if you know what the password you changed it to is
23:52<SeanW727>now i should use root then my password right?
23:53<SeanW727>Gay it still wont let me login
23:53<lupine_85>tought room tonight
23:53<SeanW727>i'm still new to this ... You must hate noobs like me.
23:53<lupine_85>nah, I hate intractable problems
23:54<SeanW727>can i add a user and name it root?
23:54<lupine_85>if you don't have a root user in /etc/passwd, you're more screwed than you know
23:55[~]Patricio is rebooting......"May the Force be with you"
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23:55<SeanW727>"-su: /etc/passwd: Permission Denied"
23:56<lupine_85>broken permissions on /etc/passwd?
23:56<lupine_85>(ls -la /etc/passwd for me)
23:57<SeanW727>it said.... -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1228 2007-9-07 22:39 /etc/passwd
23:57<SeanW727>thats what it said when i typed that
23:57<lupine_85>yep. that's fine...
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23:58<SeanW727>now all i se is. debian:~#
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