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---Logopened Sat Sep 08 00:00:03 2007
---Daychanged Sat Sep 08 2007
00:00<SeanW727>i tried the prog again. "Failed to run /usr/sbin/wifi-radar as user root.
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00:00<SeanW727>with the rest of that sudo error.
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00:00<mehul>How can I configure a dial-up connection in Etch ? Anyone know any free dial-up providers in the USA ?
00:01<SeanW727>6 months of aol for free.
00:01<SeanW727>I have a disc?
00:01<Patricio>ok.......after boot.....went to a command line......ran the command 'startkde'......and it told me that 'kdepersonalizer......could not connect to X server'.......
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00:03<mehul>nahh .. don't want AOHell.
00:03<SeanW727>can i edit the root folder manually?
00:03<mehul>I just need something to test the dial-up setup with. I'll be out of the country for a while and where I'm going there is dial-up connection but no cable/dsl
00:04<dli>mehul, you need a working modem first
00:05<mehul>dli: I've got a builtin modem on my laptop (ThinkPad T60p)
00:05<dli>mehul, not sure it works in linux
00:06<mehul>That's what I was hoping to test .. and using one of those free dial-up type services to test it against
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00:09<p-a-v>Patricio: if not startx, try xinit -e startkde.. I remember the '-e startkde' part well, not sure of the command to which it went as argument. man xinit or man startx should clear that bit up
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00:11<Patricio>p-a-v: this is my error..." X: warning; process set to priority -1 instead of requested priority 0"......Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0
00:12<Patricio>p-a-v: this is after I run the command 'xinit -e startkde'
00:13<Patricio>man startx
00:13<Patricio>aarrgghh
00:13<Patricio>lol
00:15<SeanW727>"You are not the owner, so you can't change these permissions"
00:15<SeanW727>what can i do about that?
00:15<SeanW727>i am the owner of the laptop... and i did set this up today
00:15<klys>be root then
00:15<gsimmons>mehul: Apparently there's a Conexant WinModem within your laptop model. Uh, good luck with that.
00:15<SeanW727>it wont let me
00:15<n3x>dli is the SHIT !
00:16<klys>then init=/bin/sh from grub
00:16<Patricio>hey guys.........I think I found the error, in /var/log/.....Xorg.0.log'.....AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable'.......what does that mean???
00:16<SeanW727>in the kernel?
00:16<SeanW727>cuas i did init=/bin/bash
00:16<SeanW727>and that did shit for me
00:16<klys>mount /proc; mount -o remount /; emacs -nw /etc/shadow
00:16<SeanW727>sorry for my language
00:17<klys>and get /etc/passwd too, take off the password entry for root
00:17<klys>I would hope you mean, this actually did schtuff for you
00:18<dli>mehul, I hope you realize the winmodem issue
00:18<SeanW727>mount: proc already mounted -- sh:emacs:command not found
00:18<klys>haha, try joe jed ae vi vim
00:19<SeanW727>sh: /etc/passwd: Permission Denied
00:19<klys>mount -o remount,rw /
00:19<klys>do you have #
00:19<klys>you should with init=/bin/sh
00:20<klys>it shouldnot say INIT is booting or anything
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00:20<SeanW727>i have this black screen with silver writing
00:20<SeanW727>like a cmd prompt
00:20<SeanW727>sh-3.1#
00:20<klys>and #
00:20<klys>ok
00:20<klys>whoami
00:20<SeanW727>root
00:20<klys>cool you get what you want now shoot
00:20<mehul>dli: I don't believe I know anything about the winmodem
00:21<SeanW727>"/etc/sudoers Permission Denied"
00:21<dli>mehul, the situation is usually hopeless, if you don't know it, it's winmodem
00:21<klys>mount
00:21<klys>look for /
00:21<klys>is / ro or rw
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00:21<klys>dmesg | tail
00:21<mehul>I take it winmodem is bad ?
00:22<dli>mehul, for old computers with serial port, you can easily buy one hardware modem for serial port
00:22<SeanW727>"/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
00:22<SeanW727>thats the top line.
00:22<klys>ok, is it accurate, did you do the remount
00:22<klys>cat /proc/mounts
00:23<klys>look for /
00:23<Patricio>Who has heard of AIGLX?
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00:23<SeanW727>sh:remount: command not found
00:23<klys>mount -o remount,rw /
00:23<SeanW727>wait h.o
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00:23<SeanW727>rootfs/ root fs rw 0 0 none /sys /sysfs rw 0 0
00:23<SeanW727>etc
00:24<klys>ok
00:24<klys>touch /etc/shadow
00:24<SeanW727>ok
00:24<klys>and, ls -l /etc/shadow
00:24<klys>is it like, this minute old
00:24<SeanW727>... this minute old?
00:24<klys>no way about the permission denied thing
00:25<SeanW727>all i want to get into is /etc/sudoers
00:25<klys>ok
00:25<klys>editor
00:25<SeanW727>but it says permission denied
00:25<klys>sed
00:25<SeanW727>ok i typed editor
00:25<klys>get something..., even echo "me" >> /etc/this.might.work.too
00:26<klys>do you have : or sanity
00:26<SeanW727>GNU nano 2.0.2 New Buffer Modified
00:26<klys>don't worry, someone will always be available to explain vi, it's just that it's not me
00:27<klys>~vi
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00:27<dpkg>well, vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html
00:28<gsimmons>mehul: If you're desperate, a free version of the HSF (softmodem) driver is available from Linuxant <http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/downloads.php>, specifically at the "generic packages with source" section. You'd want to read the installation instructions carefully. Oh, these also limit you to a rate of 14.4Kbps.
00:29<SeanW727>still there klys?
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00:29<klys>yeah
00:29<SeanW727>i'm in editor. what should i do?>
00:29<klys>I'm just not familiar with nano
00:30<klys>read the link
00:30<SeanW727>oh.
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00:34<ameyer>I wonder if ndiswrapper would have any hope of working for a winmodem...
00:34<ameyer>yeah, I used the n word, so what?
00:34<SeanW727>question.
00:35<klys>~ask
00:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
00:35<SeanW727>Is there any way to change my name "sean" which is how i login.... to the owner?
00:35<klys>well, it's in 3 places: /etc/passwd shadow group
00:35<klys>and /home
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00:35<klys>23:35 < fozzmoo> klys: EDITOR=/usr/bin/jed visudo
00:36<klys>then he says nm it won't work that way
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00:41<Patricio>Question......How can I edit the results of this command? update-alternatives --display x-windows-manager
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00:43<Patricio>Did everyone leave all of the sudden?
00:43<klys>No alternatives for x-windows-manager.
00:43<gsimmons>Patricio: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager (assuming you have more than one selection available)
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00:44<SeanW727>Why can't i login as root?
00:44<Patricio>gsimmons: thank you very much
00:44<klys>you did
00:44<SeanW727>no.. i mean like in the login screen?
00:44<klys>take the x out of passwd, change your passwd with passwd, and try again
00:45<SeanW727>ok i'm in the grub... i pressed e.
00:45<SeanW727>Now what should i do?
00:45<klys>init=/bin/sh
00:46<SeanW727>after what... root?
00:46<SeanW727>or kernel
00:46<mehul>thanks for the help dli and gsimmons. good night
00:46<klys>so you can nano /etc/passwd
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00:46<klys>kernel
00:46<SeanW727>should i leave lal the stuff after kernel... and add it to the end.... also it says RO
00:46<SeanW727>at the end
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00:46<klys>make it rw
00:46<klys>make it easy on yourself
00:46<klys>be sure to mount /proc and remount /
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00:47<SeanW727>and then add init=/bin/sh
00:47<SeanW727>all in that command line thing?
00:47<klys>do this first
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00:47<SeanW727>like after i do the init line
00:47<klys>no, just init=/bin/sh here
00:47<klys>root=... rw init=/bin/sh
00:48<dli>SeanW727, I did follow up, but I think you need fsck your partitions
00:48<SeanW727>wait it says... root=/dev/hda1 rw init=bin/sh
00:48<klys>boot
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00:49<SeanW727>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-486 root=/dev/hda1 rw init=bin/sh
00:49<SeanW727>so thats all right... correct?
00:49<klys>oko
00:49<SeanW727>so now i press B to boot... Got it.
00:49<SeanW727>ok now whats my next step.
00:50<SeanW727>Done.
00:50<klys>mount /proc
00:50<klys>mount -o remount,rw /
00:50<klys>editor
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00:50<SeanW727>ok.
00:50<klys>and you know the rest: you hunt the file /etc/passwd...
00:50<patricio>HA.......I got it fixed.......
00:51<klys>sounds good to me
00:51<patricio>gsimmons: thank you very much for that bit of advice......
00:52<gsimmons>patricio: np
00:52<klys>when done. save the file. edit nano. mount -o remount,ro /; sync; sync; sync; ctrl+alt+del
00:52<SeanW727>i don't know what to do in nano
00:52<klys>s/edit/exit/
00:52<patricio>after all that......lol
00:52<klys>someone tell him
00:53<SeanW727>i did all the stuff in the command lines... and then after i typed Editor.... i'm stuck.
00:53<klys>if no one tells you read the vi tutorial
00:54<patricio>SeanW727: Man if I knew, I would tell you......been here for a couple of hours and gsimmons solved my issue for me and I dont even think he knows that he did.....LMAO
00:55<patricio>he told me to change one word in a command......and that was it
00:55<SeanW727>ok i dont know what to read on the tutorial though... like. What is my object.
00:55<vin`>SeanW727: read the help at the bottom of the screen "^" is the control key
00:55<klys>you want to do in, delete the x, save the file, and quit
00:55<SeanW727>what x?
00:55<klys>you'll see it
00:56<SeanW727>"GNU Nano 2.0.2 New Buffer Modified" at the bottom theres abunch of commands and stuff.
00:56<SeanW727>i have a blank black screen everywhere else.
00:57<klys>s/do in/go in/
00:58<SeanW727>File Name to Write: ___________
00:58<SeanW727>what should i put there
00:58<klys>you're loading the file?
00:58<SeanW727>i am trying to exit?
00:58<klys>not yet?
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00:58<SeanW727>oh i have to type in editor... then the name of the file
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00:59<klys>it's /etc/passwd
00:59<SeanW727>root:x:0:0
00:59<SeanW727>so i delete the x
00:59<klys>cool, do it
00:59<SeanW727>now restart?
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00:59<klys>no
00:59<SeanW727>ok now what.
01:00<klys>save the file
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01:00<SeanW727>i did.
01:00<klys>:w or something
01:00<klys>ok
01:00<klys>mount -o remount,ro /
01:00<SeanW727>ok
01:00<klys>sync; sync; sync; ctrl+alt+del
01:00<klys>something about irc just doesn't transfer to the present...
01:00<SeanW727>ctrl+alt+del: command not found
01:01<klys>it's youre keyboard
01:01<klys>s/youre/your/
01:01<SeanW727>huh?
01:01<SeanW727>s/youre/your/
01:01<SeanW727>do i type that?
01:01<klys>no
01:01<SeanW727>ctrl/alt/del?
01:01<klys>s/my spelling is now/correct/
01:02<klys>you're phun
01:02<klys>;)
01:02<SeanW727>i'm dumb.
01:02<SeanW727>do you want me to press ctrl alt del
01:02<klys>cool
01:02<SeanW727>?
01:02<klys>go
01:03<klys>green lite
01:03<SeanW727>ok lets hope this works
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01:03<SeanW727>and i should be able to login as root correct?
01:03<klys>without a password even
01:03<SeanW727>ok
01:03<klys>from any tty, gdm is untested
01:04<SeanW727>GRRRRR
01:04<SeanW727>still wont let me
01:04<SeanW727>this is so fucked up
01:04<SeanW727>Excuse my language
01:04<klys>ctrl+alt+F1
01:04<SeanW727>debian login:
01:04<klys>root
01:04<SeanW727>k
01:04<klys>export DISPLAY=:0
01:05<SeanW727>k
01:05<klys>ok, you can do cool schtuff now
01:05<SeanW727>ok?
01:05<SeanW727>now what do i do
01:05<klys>passwd
01:05<SeanW727>ko
01:05<SeanW727>ok
01:06<SeanW727>passwd: password updated successfully
01:06<klys>ctrl+alt+F7
01:06<SeanW727>then root]
01:06<SeanW727>and my password
01:06<SeanW727>not working.
01:07<klys>you can also set the passwd for users
01:07<klys>check /etc/pam.d for a ?dm file
01:07<klys>you may have also disallowed root from /etc/gdm.conf
01:07<klys>anyway, apt-get install emacs21
01:08<SeanW727>ok its done in 10 secs
01:08<SeanW727>Unpacking
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01:08<SeanW727>Setting up
01:08<SeanW727>now what
01:08<SeanW727>Done
01:10<klys>learn the following editor commands (be patient with me):
01:10<SeanW727>ok
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01:12<klys>C-x C-f, F10 b up up CR, C-x C-s, C-x C-w, C-x k (yes), C-k (repeat), C-y, C-g, ESC ESC ESC, C-h t, C-h b, C-h k, C-l, ESC <, ESC >, C-z, M-x text (very important), M-x configure, also some less important stuff like C-x C-e, C-u <param>, and ~/.emacs, also C-s find_me_quick, C-x k CR C-x o C-x 1 (sometimes to get out of two-paned help)
01:13<lupine_85>cripes. why not just use nano?
01:13<klys>just that
01:13<klys>it's all I really do with emacs and I've been using it a long time. very flexible
01:14<SeanW727>ok now what do i do.
01:14<SeanW727>cause i still cant login to root
01:14<klys>you did on tty1
01:14<SeanW727>yeah
01:14<klys>try on tty2
01:15<SeanW727>ok it let me in
01:15<lupine_85>1337
01:15<SeanW727>when i try to get into /etc/sudoers it still says System Denied
01:15<SeanW727>Permission Denied **(**
01:15<lupine_85>don't you have to use visudo ?
01:15<SeanW727>visudo?
01:16<klys>from emacs -nw as root you can edit any file
01:16<SeanW727>how do i get into emacs
01:16<klys>emacs
01:16<SeanW727>??
01:16<klys>emacs -nw
01:16<lupine_85>"The sudoers file should always be edited by the visudo command" <-- from "man sudo"
01:16<klys>hmm, why?
01:17<klys>is it open?
01:17<SeanW727>yup
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01:17<lupine_85>"locking & grammatical checking, apparently"
01:17<lupine_85>or maybe sudo just lieks vi
01:17<klys>well, just kill whatever has it open and restart it when done
01:18<klys>lsof | grep sudo
01:18<SeanW727>how do i kill whatever is open
01:18<klys>kill
01:19<SeanW727>type kill?
01:19<klys>kill -TERM <pid>
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01:19<klys>you need the pid for it before you can identify how to restart it
01:20<klys>ps aux | grep <what lsof found>
01:21<SeanW727>how can i edit the sudoers file?
01:22<klys>on my system, the file is not open and sudo -i is not running. so I would edit it normally. C-x C-f /etc/sudoers
01:22<klys>then C-x C-s to save
01:24<SeanW727>its showing me... --uu:**F1 Sudoers (Fundamental)00L1--ALL
01:24<klys>C-x C-s
01:24<SeanW727>ok now what
01:24<klys>M-x text
01:24<klys>did you do the edit ok
01:24<SeanW727>i don't know what i'm supposed to be editing
01:24[~]klys looking
01:25<klys>~google example sudoers
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01:26<SeanW727>ok i typed that into google
01:26<SeanW727>now what
01:26<SeanW727>copy and paste one of the examples?
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01:27<klys>look for an ubuntu example
01:27<Requiem>okay...
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01:27<Requiem>I think this thing is going in circles
01:27<klys>because ubuntu does the sudo -i think okay
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01:29<SeanW727>?
01:30<klys>here, just think it over
01:30<klys>time...out
01:30<shayan_pooya>how can I connect to #ubuntu channel
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01:30<klys>http://irc.netsplit.de/
01:31<chealer>shayan_pooya: wrong network. #ubuntu is on freenode
01:32<shayan_pooya>thanks
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01:46<shayan_pooya>how can I go to irc.freenode.net it says my username is wrong
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01:48<akio>aaa
01:48<akio>etch
01:48<akio>exit
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01:58<spun>hi
01:58<spun>i just tried debian netinst but it didnt support my onboard ethernet
01:58<spun>will i be able to do the same thing by just downloading current disc #1
01:58<spun>and booting from that?
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02:00<tcsetattr>yeah, but if your ethernet is not supported there, you'll be out of luck
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02:04<rummeldibummel>hi
02:05<rummeldibummel>does some1 know how i can bring kooldock to work? wenn ich wanna start nothing happens
02:06<spun>haha yeah tcsetattr, i saw somewhere that some PCI devices arent supported in netinstall
02:06<spun>i wish i'd read that before downloading
02:06<spun>ohwellz
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02:06<spun>if not its back to slackware
02:08<tcsetattr>that's ridiculous
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02:09<gsimmons>spun: What is your onboard ethernet controller?
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02:10<spun>im not sure, some old compaq one
02:10<spun>a crappy ol 800mhz
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02:24<spun>thats what you get for an onboard ethernet controller i guess
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02:36<Internat>anyone know in mysql if is it possible to chose where each database stores its datafiles
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02:43<spun>so i'll be able to install the whole base from the current disk #1?
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02:47<n3x>is there a way to set CPU PRIORITY TO HIGH on a certian pid ?
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02:51<tcsetattr>what? you're not asking about timer frequency anymore?!
02:52<tcsetattr>renice -10 somepid by the way
02:52<spun>will i be able to install a whole base from the debcurrent disk #1?
02:53<tcsetattr>yes, disk #1 contains all you need to install a working system, and includes the most popular of the included programs
02:53<tcsetattr>disk #2 contains the slightly less popular packages, and so on down to the least popular on disk #23 (or however many there are now)
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02:57<spun>ok thanks tcsetattr, i'll just install the first one and download any additions i need
02:57<tcsetattr>at least if you get the basic install done, you can use lspci to query what kind of ethernet device is in there.
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03:01<spun>yea
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03:16<spun>peace
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03:52<ErJeDi>hiz :)
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03:56<robind>hi! quick question : I can't remember the name of the app to transfer a window from a X display to another.
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04:01<robind>(found the answer : xmove)
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04:09<n3x>is there a precompiled php , sql, httpd script ?
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04:28<somae>I uninstalled and reinstalled epiphany and now there's no option for "turn off computer" on the logout screen
04:29<ErJeDi>the option is exit
04:29<ErJeDi>exits and in the login screen
04:29<ErJeDi>you can turn off the computer
04:29<ErJeDi>:)
04:29<ErJeDi>i have the same problem , but in the reality it's not a problem
04:30<somae>the computer boots to the command prompt also
04:31<ErJeDi>somae:
04:31<ErJeDi>the debian system boots into the graphical user interface GNOME
04:31<ErJeDi>if you dont have gui :)
04:32<ErJeDi>the problem is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf because it's bad configured for your card :)
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04:33<somae>it must have somehow changed because it was working until I removed epiphany
04:33<ErJeDi>somae: the graphical user interface?
04:33<somae>gnome
04:33<ErJeDi>if you can send me /etc/X11/xorg.org
04:33<ErJeDi>if you can send me /etc/X11/xorg.conf
04:33<ErJeDi>sorry :)
04:34<ErJeDi>i can edit for you to solve the problem :)
04:34<ErJeDi>if you can not switch to gnome :) and the graphical login :)
04:35<somae>I'm in gnome right now - I use "startx"
04:35<ErJeDi>but what is the problem?? exactly
04:35<ErJeDi>you need to enter automatically in gnome
04:35<ErJeDi>instead of typing startx?
04:35<somae>yes - from boot
04:35<somae>yes
04:35<ErJeDi>edit /etc/inittab
04:36<fxiny>is gdm installed ?
04:36<somae>yes - I tried that - switched to runlevel 4 and it still went to the command promp
04:37<ErJeDi>i am sending the /etc/inittab from my computer
04:37<ErJeDi>this will help you to solve the problem
04:38<ErJeDi>please wait
04:38<ErJeDi>need to configure router to send the file
04:38<ErJeDi>need to open some port
04:38<somae>seems this computer isn't set up to accept files
04:38<ErJeDi>instead of 59 of mirc
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04:38<fxiny>somae: check if gdm has been removed
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04:38<fxiny>apt-cache policy gdm
04:38<ErJeDi>fxiny: the problem will be in /etc/inittab :)
04:39<ErJeDi>if gdm is removed with startx cannot start gnome
04:39<ErJeDi>this is with inittab for sure
04:40<fxiny>ErJeDi: dunno what happened : he said problem started after removing epiphany , maybe gdm has been removed too
04:40<somae>gdm:
04:40<somae> Installed: (none)
04:40<ErJeDi>fxiny: if gdm was removed , with startx cannot start gnome
04:41<ErJeDi>somae: reinstall gdm first instead of inittab without gdm gui does not work
04:41<ErJeDi>:)
04:41<somae>ok - thanks
04:41<ErJeDi>:)
04:41<ErJeDi>somae: apt-get install gdm
04:42<ErJeDi>or something or aptitude
04:42<ErJeDi>instead :)
04:42<fxiny>somae: btw : why did you removed/reinstalled epiphany ? any major problem ?
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04:42<fxiny>remove/reinstall*
04:44<somae>I was having problems after changing a user name -
04:45<somae>the programs wouldn't function afterwards
04:45<ErJeDi>ufff yo have to use terminal and change with useradd
04:45<ErJeDi>and passwd to make a password for the user
04:45<ErJeDi>it's not so easy :)
04:45<somae>yes - that's what I finally ended up doing
04:45<ErJeDi>:)
04:46<ErJeDi>only i have on my machine two users one for using linux and one for administrive purposes
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04:46<ErJeDi>only work with the standard user
04:46<ErJeDi>except for administration purposes :)
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04:48<somae>I just installed gdm (using aptitude) - going to try rebooting - thanks for the info :-)
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04:49<ErJeDi>;)
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04:52<ErJeDi>somae: boot with gui???
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04:52<somae>yes
04:52<somae>thanks again -- :)
04:52<ErJeDi>ah :) okay :)
04:53<somae>see you later -
04:53<ErJeDi>ok bye :)
04:53<somae>:)
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04:56<anarchy>someone here ger?
04:56<ErJeDi>anarchy: i am not ger but if you need to help you with linux and talk english???
04:56<ErJeDi>:)
04:57<anarchy>well my english is bad x)
04:57<ErJeDi>and mine :)
04:57<ErJeDi>i am spanish my construction of a phrase is not good but something are right :)
04:57<anarchy>but i try^^ ive an .iso file and how can i open it? ive try deamon toolz but wont work with wine ^^
04:59<ErJeDi>but you can open the iso as a virtual cd-rom drive :) simply to must burn with k3b and mount the cd/dvd instead of use some of these utilities
04:59<ErJeDi>daemon tools as equal as anydvd is not supported because this apps requires windows drivers and wine does not support load of windows drivers :)
04:59<anarchy>jez but i wont burn it ^^ can i use a virtuel drive?
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05:00<ErJeDi>why does not you burn it? do not have a dvd writer???
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05:00<anarchy>i have it but i havent a cd for it xD
05:00<ErJeDi>xDD
05:00<ErJeDi>sorry :)
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05:01<ErJeDi>some people knows a program for linux which mounts and iso image as a virtual cd drive??
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05:01<fxiny>anarchy: mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mountpoint
05:01<lupine_85>ErJeDi: your CD drive is a file; your iso is a file. There's no particular difference between the two
05:01<ErJeDi>thanks fxiny :)
05:01<ErJeDi>fxiny: i don't test this never :)
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05:05<ErJeDi>lupine_85: this is because i never use the mount of the iso as a cd in linux :) only in window$ with poweriso
05:05<anarchy>unknown filesystem type 'GDI95.iso'?
05:05<ErJeDi>ufff :)
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05:06<ErJeDi>change the type of filesystem?? or iso is damaged?? :S
05:06<anarchy>i wont hope... ^^
05:06<fxiny>anarchy: check if your iso is ok : file your.iso
05:06<fxiny>anarchy: gd ?
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05:06<fxiny>anarchy: is corrupted
05:07<fxiny>anarchy: download it again . nod is fine
05:07<fxiny>anarchy: the first gdi i got was corrupted
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05:08<fxiny>anarchy: i'll give you the md5sum in a minute
05:08<anarchy>hm? what is md5sum?
05:08<fxiny>man md5sum
05:09<ErJeDi>anarchy: the md5sum is the checksum of the iso's
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05:10<fxiny>anarchy: 1cb7c6290718c5e729ae1a4a146aa793
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05:10<ErJeDi>if this checksum does not equal to md5sum file included in the webpages for an iso the iso is corrupted :)
05:10<fxiny>anarchy: run md5sum on your iso and check with mine
05:10<fxiny>anarchy: md5sum GDI95.iso
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05:11<fxiny>but now we are ot
05:13<Aleric>Does anyone know how I can start a .jnlp file from the command line?
05:13<ErJeDi>:S i dont have idea :S
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05:15<Aleric>It's a "java web start" file.
05:15<Aleric>I can start it from my browser, but I'm getting tired of having to download it all the time when i want to restart it :)
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05:17<ErJeDi>the java files are .jar
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05:17<ErJeDi>:D not .jnlp at least i know as is :)
05:17<ErJeDi>with .jar
05:17<ErJeDi>not .jnlp
05:18<Aleric>How can I update my java alternative links?
05:18<lupine_85>update-alternatives <some options here>
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05:20<fxiny>i'0m not into java . last jar i run (ages ago) was /path/java -jar proggy.jar
05:20<fxiny>but then , no idea about .jnlp
05:21<Aleric>Doesn't seem to work.
05:21<Aleric>I need javaws to start this
05:21<Aleric>(just figured that out)
05:21<Aleric>I have:
05:21<Aleric>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-09-08 12:20 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java*
05:21<Aleric>which is correct, but I also have:
05:21<Aleric>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2007-05-28 03:30 /etc/alternatives/javaws -> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/javaws
05:22<Aleric>which is nonsense - should be /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/javaws
05:22<fxiny>same here
05:22<Aleric>Running sudo update-alternatives --config javaws fails (no options)
05:22<Aleric>Running sudo update-alternatives --config java does not update the javaws link.
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05:23<Aleric>/usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun does not even exist.
05:23<fxiny>Aleric: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/javaws exist on my box
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05:23<Aleric>fxiny: Oh, what package?
05:24<fxiny>checking
05:24<fxiny>sun-j2re1.5: /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/javaws
05:24<Aleric>And your 'java' executable?
05:25<fxiny>this is a sarge2etch box . checking a pure etch
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05:25<Aleric>thanks
05:27<Aleric>Hmm... could it be that there is only a 32bit version of this thing?
05:27<fxiny>Aleric: right ,. on my next etch is /usr/lib/jvm ... . dpkg -S says "not found"
05:27<fxiny>strange
05:28<ErJeDi>fxiny
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05:29<Aleric>I found a javaws in ia32-sun-java6-bin ... but installation fails.
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05:29<fxiny>Aleric: wt4x ? no /usr/lib/j2re* ?
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05:30<fxiny>i have it on this box
05:30<Aleric>I have javaws too (the browser runs it!), but I can't find it with 'locate' ... let me look again in the browser config...
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05:30<Aleric>Oh
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05:31<Aleric>Heh - the browser runs in my 32bit chroot.
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05:32<ErJeDi>sorry guys but got to go to the bedroom
05:32<Aleric>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 74551 Jun 14 23:28 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/javaws
05:32<Aleric>It's not part of a package according to dpkg -S though.
05:32<Aleric>(this is my 32bit chroot, running sid)
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05:33<fxiny>damn ! too many symliknks , i'll call sherlock to investigate :P
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05:34[~]fxiny hello sher ? its' watsy here ...
05:36<fxiny>Aleric: i think i'm still running some java old sarge-style , dunno . i'll look into it later on
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05:37<fxiny>yes ! apt-cache policy sun-java5-jre Installed: (none)
05:37<fxiny>Aleric: ^^^
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05:38<fxiny>sarge2etch memorabilia ;)
05:38<bart_>hello everybody
05:38<bart_>who can I speak about libpst?
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05:39<Aleric>Well, I managed to start it from my command line with:
05:39<Aleric>DISPLAY=:0.0 LANG=C schroot -c sid32 -p javaws edemo.jnlp
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05:39[~]fxiny wonders if some last-mohico-woody-files still watches laughing at him
05:39<Aleric>ErJeDi: WHY DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT? :p
05:39<fxiny>it can't be
05:40<fxiny>Aleric: does that line works ?
05:40<Aleric>Ok, next step ... connecting to this application. It's pretty cool.
05:40<Aleric>Yes it works
05:41<fxiny>ok . adding it to the list
05:41<Aleric>fxiny: It's a bit specialized of course, the 'sid32' is a name that I created/configured for my 32 chroot.
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05:42<fxiny>Aleric: fine . i'll add your comment as well :)
05:42<Aleric>So, this is the line you need on a 64bit machine, but you should replace sid32 with whatever you are using yourself
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05:42<Aleric>Basically, the command is just: javaws edemo.jnlp
05:44<Aleric>I need the DISPLAY because otherwise it can't connect to my X session for some reason, and I need the LANG in order to suppress an error (I forgot why that error happens, read about it on some webpage)
05:44<keith>Debian 4.0. Can anyone help with printing from Scribus. Just a simple .odt text file for starters.
05:44<Aleric>s/error/warning/
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05:45<Aleric>fxiny: Check this out (it's what I'm trying):
05:45<piftaba>hello
05:45<fxiny>Aleric: i'm adding it all to a todo file :)
05:45<piftaba>I have a silly question... I'm beginner
05:46<Aleric>http://individuals.interactivebrokers.com/en/software/twsDisclaimer.php?ib_entity=llc&twsdemo=1 Then click on: Education --> Trader workstation --> Demo
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05:46<Aleric>That is a demo (in java) of a trader workstation thus, that also has an API :)
05:46<fxiny>Aleric: trader ?
05:46<piftaba>what is the diferent: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/
05:46<Aleric>So, it allows me to write my own code that will do the trading.
05:46<fxiny>Aleric: i got yoy now !
05:47<fxiny>Aleric: is it something like a venice java app ?
05:47<piftaba>there are free DVD wich is the best? or the three DVD is one debian?
05:47<Aleric>This is gonna be kewl... I always wanted to use A.I. ... neural networks etc ;)
05:47<fxiny>neural ?
05:47<Aleric>Never heard of 'venice'
05:47<seanius>piftaba: all of debian is very big. it takes many dvds and even more cd's to have everything
05:47<fxiny>is very slow
05:48<seanius>piftaba: however, if you have an internet connection you don't need any of them, just the network-based installer
05:48<piftaba>yes. so I need download the three DVD?
05:48<Aleric>fxiny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neural_network
05:48<Aleric>fxiny: Well, if you're not into trading then it probably won't interest you ;)
05:49<Aleric>(PS buy LOCM and keep 'm for two years or so)
05:49<fxiny>Aleric: i know what neural is . but trading on top of some neural could be dangerous atm
05:49<Aleric>Much better than a bank account ;)
05:50<fxiny>Aleric: there is a site with tons of small c programs . trying to remember
05:50<fxiny>linux friendly too
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05:50<Aleric>AAPL is also cheap at the moment - should rise 10 or 20% at least before the end of the year... </spam>
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05:51<keith>Debian 4.0. Need help printing from Scribus.
05:52<Aleric>fxiny: Okay... going to test the sample java program that is on this website that connects to the TWS
05:52<fxiny>Aleric: be careful , 99.99% of this stuff is useless crap
05:53<Aleric>fxiny: Of what stuff?
05:54<Aleric>What I'm looking into now is just a 'raw' API that will allow me to execute orders from a self-written program.
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05:54<fxiny>Aleric: about trading
05:54<Aleric>That isn't crap - it's new though. I'm happy they finally offer it.
05:54<Aleric>You mean the spam mails?
05:54<Aleric>I /dev/null all scams
05:55<fxiny>Aleric: are you after something like tradestation to send orders ?
05:55<fxiny>i think is dangerous
05:55<fxiny>atm
05:55<Aleric>What I just said are stocks that I have, or will buy soon. Stocks that are safe to have except when the whole market collapses (which is not unlikely by the way).
05:56<fxiny>Aleric: best thing is coding all you want to do with perl
05:56<Aleric>On the other hand, the reason the markets nearly collapse is such that your back account isn't safe either. If it collapses, then I think the End of the World is near and people will start to trade with cigarettes or so instead of money. So, I'm taking my chances.
05:57[~]Aleric always uses C++
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05:57<Aleric>Seriously, if you REALLY want to play it safe at the moment - ... don't have any money (ie, put it all in your house)
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05:58<fxiny>is not safe at all
05:58<petemc>i wouldnt have thought so
05:59<fxiny>there ar put for a -20% on the euro stock index for about 900 million dollars . someone did it last week or the week before
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05:59<Aleric>That is money
05:59<Aleric>No money means: no euros, nor dollars.
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06:00<Aleric>You could buy a few barrels of oil and put them in your garage too, I guess.
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06:00<fxiny>Aleric: to know this is not very hard .just using gmail or reddit or digg . even slashdot said abotu this put
06:01<Aleric>Well, like I said - I'm not doing it. I just have money on the bank as if nothing is going to happen :/
06:01<Aleric>And hopefully, nothing will happen.
06:02<Aleric>Just saying that not trading (but having your money in a bank account) isn't as safe as you might think.
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06:04<fxiny>money is an illusion . this generation or next will have all money wiped out .
06:04<Aleric>Maybe I should open a bank account in china or japan... hmm.
06:04<Aleric>yes, that's what I am saying
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06:05<Aleric>However, it doesn't have to be... it's about trust. So, the more we talk like that, the sooner it will happen ;)
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06:05<Aleric>Right now the banks don't trust each other anymore - if that changes, then it might be the next generation rather this one :/
06:06<Aleric>rather than*
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06:08<Aleric>I'm just thinking: I like chess - all I need for that is an old board and some diry pieces - so, whatever happens, it will be fun ;)
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06:09<fxiny>all is faked : from gold to diamonds to notes . why should shares be not be faked ? i believe they are continuously faked just like notes , so every now and then the market "collapse" just to get rid of fake shares
06:10<dondelelcaro>libparams-validate-perl libpoe-perl
06:10<fxiny>they sell 'em for a 100 bucks and then get 'em back for a dime
06:11<fxiny>the only reason the world ecomony is not collapsing leke int the past is because of IT . IT can track down all this scum and sort things out
06:11<Aleric>Share are pretty real - but their value is "fake", that is, based on some irrational, psychological trend. People think it's worth 6 to 8 times what's really worth all the time.
06:11<Aleric>Shares*
06:11<dondelelcaro>everything is only worth what we are willing to pay for it
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06:11<fxiny>this is true
06:12<fxiny>i agree with you
06:12<dondelelcaro>but the state of the world economy and/or the economy in the US isn't really on topic here; #politics or #economics or #economy or some other channel would probably be more appropriate.
06:12<Aleric>Money is less fake, but since it has become electronic, there is a lot more money going round these days that is actually accounted for with goods.
06:13<Aleric>Banks on need to have like 7% in hard cash of what they are 'handling'.
06:13<Aleric>Therefore, if people suddenly want to get their money from the bank - they don't have it.
06:14<Aleric>If they happens to one bank, then other banks lend them (temporarily) money
06:14<Aleric>That way they can catch the fluctuations even better, and thus have even MORE fake money (that they don't really have)
06:15<Aleric>Right now, banks are afraid that other banks can't pay them back - so the don't like to lend money to eachother anymore.
06:15<dondelelcaro>Aleric: please use another channel to discuss this
06:15<Aleric>But well, you might already know the sorry :)
06:15<Aleric>yeah, sorry
06:15<Aleric>s/sorry/story/
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06:21<Lustmord>Anyone here use Fluxbox?
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06:23<gabrix>is httpd accellerator still available in Squid Cache: Version 2.6.STABLE5
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06:25<gabrix>i get this error http://pastebin.com/m6ede63b9
06:26<gabrix>i don't see where my error is
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06:29<gabrix>heyyyy
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06:31<gabrix>i repeat the question
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06:32<oddtod>hey guys is there a command that will ping all ips in a range and give me the connected computers ips?
06:32<gabrix>i httpd accellerator still available for squid 2.6 in debian etch ????
06:33<slashme>oddtod, you can try nmap
06:33<gabrix>if broadcast ping is up in the kernel yes ping -b 192.168.0.255
06:34<gabrix>or nmap
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06:34<gabrix>hey guys have a look a this output message http://pastebin.com/m6ede63b9
06:35<gabrix>i'm rying the httpd accellerator but i don't see whre the error is
06:36<slashme>I bought an apacer mp3 player which has onboard flash memory, as well as a slot for an SD card. In the shop, the WinXP computer picked them up as different drives when the device was plugged into the USB port. At home, on my Debian Etch system, when I plug it in, /var/log/messages and lsusb only show me the onboard flash memory.
06:36<slashme>I can mount that fine, but I have to use an SD card reader to load music onto the SD card.
06:37<slashme>Any ideas where to start looking for an explanation?
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06:42<slashme>lsusb shows the device as: Bus 002 Device 009: ID 090c:1000 Feiya Technology Corp. Memory Bar
06:42<slashme>Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
06:42<slashme>and that's all that it shows on bus 002.
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06:53<slashme>Ah, I see I have #CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN is not set. This might be the problem....
06:53[~]slashme goes to recompile and reboot...
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07:07<gsimmons>gabrix: What version of Squid are you using?
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07:13<gsimmons>gabrix: Ah, 2.6STABLE5. The directives for httpd-accelerator mode changed in Squid 2.6. See <http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/ReverseProxy#head-7fa129a6528d9a5c914f8dd5671668173e39e341> for what you should be using instead.
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07:17<n00bsh>Hi friends! Anyone can answer a noob question?
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07:19<gabrix>im using squid 2.6
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07:19<lupine_85>n00bsh: if you want to, go ahead :)
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07:19<n00bsh>lupine_85 I want get netinst, but have a lot of "versions"
07:20<n00bsh>I dont know what "version" I have to get.
07:20<lupine_85>you probably want 4.0r1-i386, unless you want a 64-bit system, in which case 4.0r1-amd64
07:20<fxiny>Aleric: are you in ?
07:21<n00bsh>lupine_85 nice.. and another question.. a guy tells me .. "your card dont have mem enought to run beryl in debian"
07:21<n00bsh>lupine_85 ati radeon 1900xtx (512)
07:21<abrotman>n00bsh: that's enough .. but there's no beryl in debian officially
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07:22<lupine_85>he's talking balls
07:22<lupine_85>beryl runs fine on a radeon 9200
07:22<abrotman>512MB video RAM ought to be enough for anyone!
07:22<n00bsh>"1900's dont have the performance needed to beryl" :\
07:22<abrotman>n00bsh: that's bull
07:22<n00bsh>nice
07:23<n00bsh>so, I get amd-62 netinst?
07:23<abrotman>what's your CPU ?
07:23<n00bsh>sry, 64
07:23<abrotman>are you sure ?
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07:23<n00bsh>athlon 64 5200+ duo, 2gb ram, 1tbhd
07:23<abrotman>ok
07:24<n00bsh>what "version" i have to get ?
07:24<lupine_85>you can run that on amd64 if you want to. but you don't have to
07:24<n00bsh>hmmm
07:24<n00bsh>whats your recommendation?
07:25<abrotman>n00bsh: however .. IIRC .. fglrx doesn't support aiglx, and beryl only supports aiglx
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07:25<abrotman>(though you should be able to use compiz then i suppose)
07:25<n00bsh>abrotman you say something in greek right now :T
07:25<abrotman>!beryl
07:25<dpkg>beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager)
07:25<abrotman>that's no help
07:25<abrotman>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Beryl?highlight=%28beryl%29
07:26<n00bsh>Blame ATI for shipping outdated proprietary drivers not supporting A
07:26<n00bsh>:T
07:26<abrotman>yay!
07:27<n00bsh>in another words.. my vga suck!
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07:27<lupine_85>yeah. Xgl + debian is not exactly well-supported
07:27<lupine_85>quite the opposite, in fact
07:27<abrotman>lupine_85: use compiz!
07:27<lupine_85>I don't use any of them
07:27<lupine_85>used to help develop beryl though
07:28<lupine_85>you know. before it became compiz fusion
07:28<padski>if I apt-get -b source linux-2.6 will it work ?
07:28<abrotman>apt-cache search linux-source
07:28<n00bsh>so.. my first step is get the amd64 netinst, correct?
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07:29<lupine_85>n00bsh: yep, if you want amd64
07:29<n00bsh>or i386 I think
07:29<n00bsh>what the "visual" difference?
07:29<lupine_85>hint: if you don't know exactly why you want amd64, you don't want it; you want i386 instead
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07:30<n00bsh>or 64 is only to reduce our process?
07:30<lupine_85>amd64 can address more RAM (several exabytes, rather than several gigabytes); it may be faster in some contexts; it can't run some proprietary stuff without a moderate amount of hassle
07:30<seanius>!amd64
07:30<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about ...
07:30<n00bsh>nice
07:31<n00bsh>screw 64, Ill get i386 ;)
07:31<lupine_85>hehe
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07:31<seanius>n00bsh: short story there are a few more bumps going with amd64, and potentially little or no gain unless you have a particular need
07:32<lupine_85>I'm doing that now, too... I used to use amd64, then realised that the main slowdown on my CPU was it's measly L1 & L2 cache (sempron), so doubling the size of a load of stuff wouldn't help with that
07:32<lupine_85>well, that and it's ancientness
07:32<lupine_85>socket 754 ftl
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07:32<seanius>i'm pretty much happy with amd64 on my core duo laptop, but there were a few things that needed a little extra help to get working right along the way
07:33<George>can someone help with easybcd for booting vista and debian?
07:33<n00bsh>seanius nice... and I want use beryl :T
07:33<aptituz>hm.. the debian amd64 port is the reason why i need to work today :(
07:33<qwerty^123>I have a problem detecting sata drives on a system with etch and a MSI K9N Nevo V2 motherboard and 3 sata drives.
07:34<qwerty^123>All drives are detected by the bios. Debian is installed on one of the sata drives.
07:34<qwerty^123>The two other drives (connected after install) does not appear to be detected by debian: There is no /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc. fdisk -l shows only hda
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07:37<abrotman>aptituz: ?
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07:37<aptituz>abrotman:
07:37<aptituz>?
07:37<abrotman>you're blaing amd64 because you're at work ?
07:38<lupine_85>qwerty^123: sata drives would show as /dev/sd*
07:38<lupine_85>probably?
07:38<aptituz>somewhat like that
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07:38<aptituz>we have enormous performance issues with an amd64 nfs server. we don't have that with amd 32bit. seems to be some sort of bug
07:39<qwerty^123>sorry, typo ment sd*
07:40<qwerty^123>the working drive is sda, but I have no sdb or sdc
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07:41<n00bsh>aptituz in graphical terms, whats the difference between i386 and 64 ?
07:41<aptituz>abrotman: nfs on the amd64 system is about 10 times slower, then on a 32bit system. reproducible with fresh installs
07:41<aptituz>n00bsh: what do you mean by 'graphical terms'?
07:41<abrotman>aptituz: but you can't find hte bottleneck ?
07:41<n00bsh>whats the difference between i386 and 64 ?
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07:42<aptituz>no, i can't
07:42<lupine_85>n00bsh: flash will be a bit harder to set up on amd64, and some drivers
07:42<aptituz>n00bsh: address space?
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07:42<lupine_85>that is essentially all that an "average" desktop user will notice :)
07:42<n00bsh>ok, I have an athlon64 duo 5200+, 1tb hd, 2gbram and ati radeon 1900xtx. i386 oe 64 ?
07:43<n00bsh>** or
07:43<abrotman>only you can decide
07:43<aptituz>you need to decide it yourself. amd64 is troubling with some things
07:43<n00bsh>interesting
07:43<lupine_85>i386
07:43<aptituz>but supports ram over 4GB and may perform better when doing some things like video/sound encoding or such
07:44<aptituz>otherwise i'm pretty sure you'll not notice any positive affect
07:44<lupine_85>aptituz: I found amd64 to perform less well at video & sound encoding
07:44<aptituz>lupine_85: well, i'm just saying what all the others say =)
07:44<aptituz>i don't use amd64 on the desktop, cause i don't like to hassle with it
07:44<lupine_85>It might be important when the data you're working on is > 4GB, but before that, IME, i386 is faster
07:45<lupine_85>all those hand-tweaked assembly routines, I'm sure
07:45<aptituz>over this it seems to me like this 64bit system is badly constructed
07:45<aptituz>in germany we would say "gefrickelt"
07:45<qwerty^123>should sata drives be detected automatically so that all I need to do is to partition/mount them or will I need to do something else first?
07:46<yos87>hi
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07:46<lupine_85>aptituz: in the UK, we'd say "built by german engineers" :p
07:47[~]lupine_85 hides
07:47<aptituz>lupine_85: ha! but that would be a sign for good quality :P
07:47<lupine_85>Tell that to Cadbury Schweppes' Sheffield factory
07:49<aptituz>hm.. there is another problem
07:49<n00bsh>64 have some graphical difference?
07:49<aptituz>syncing a 32bit system with a 64bit system with unison does not work
07:49<aptituz>n00bsh: no
07:49<aptituz>why should it?
07:50<padski>aptituz, surely it *should* work
07:50<padski>aptituz, just as much as there is no reason for it to fail due to endianess.
07:51<aptituz>well but that does not help much
07:51<padski>lol
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07:51<lupine_85>word sizes are different; the coders fail at programming
07:51<aptituz>well lets face the truth: unison is crashing when trying this and the devs know it
07:51<lupine_85>uint8_t ftw
07:52<aptituz>yes
07:52<aptituz>"integer to high" is the message
07:52<lupine_85>actually, it shouldn't crash due to endianness. The program should respect network byte order
07:52<aptituz>hehe
07:52<padski>apparently you can run unison in 32-bit compatibility mode.
07:52<aptituz>hm.. how would i do that?
07:53<aptituz>the 64bit system is the server i'm connecting to
07:53<padski>"There are two possibilities to achieve that: a) there may be a way to run a usual dynamically linked 32 bit binary with a 32 bit compatible runtime environment or b) you use a statically linked 32 bit binary that doesn't depend on such a runtime environment."
07:53<padski>see http://alliance.seas.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/wiki/index.php?n=Main.UnisonFAQOSSpecific
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07:53<aptituz>hm.. well
07:53<aptituz>i will not have the problem anymore this evening
07:53<aptituz>last 64bit system in our company.... died
07:54<lupine_85>under suspicious circumstances? ;)
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07:54<aptituz>no
07:54<aptituz>;)
07:54<padski>lol
07:54<aptituz>something like: "DIE! DIE DIE !"
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07:54<aptituz>my colleque and i will make a party out of it
07:54<aptituz>lol
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07:58<kirbylord>yo
07:58<kirbylord>hi
07:58<aptituz>yo, hey
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07:59<kirbylord>i just entered in the gbc sprite comp :D
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07:59<elvis2>can somone help me with configuring touchpad and getting my wireless to connect
07:59<kirbylord>nope i don't know nothing about that
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07:59<aptituz>lol
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08:00<padski>elvis2, sounds like I can at least help you to spell out your problem :-) what hardware ?
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08:00<kirbylord>woah my thing just stuffed up
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08:00<elvis2>i have a belkin wireles card currently tying to connect with WPA but will be WEP later
08:00<elvis2>the touchpad software gives me an error
08:01<kirbylord>lol i have belkin too *high fives*
08:01<padski>pci card ?
08:01<kirbylord>weird, i don't have touchpad software so i dont know what the problem is
08:02<padski>laptop ?
08:02<elvis2>Gsynaptics could not initialize you have set SHMCONFIG true inxorg.conf or XF86config to use gsynaptics
08:02<elvis2>padski, its a pcmcia card i think
08:02<elvis2>can never rember the name of it
08:02<elvis2>yes laptop
08:03<padski>the cards you push ind and out the slot in the side ?
08:03<elvis2>yes
08:03<padski>yeah. I think they rebranded to something completely confusing like "PC Card" or something :-)
08:03<elvis2>it is installed cause it is showing up. but i dont know how to connect it
08:04<padski>"Showing up" ?
08:04<elvis2>the thing that shpows installed wont connect it
08:04<elvis2>yeah in network
08:04<elvis2>networking sorry
08:04<padski>is this with a mouse ? I thought you said the trackpad didn't work ?
08:04<elvis2>it does but it is to sencitive
08:04<elvis2>i need the synaptics to confirgure it
08:04<padski>ah, ok
08:05<padski>at a command-line I think you can use xset to make a temporary adjustment to that
08:05<padski>my computer it go beep :-(
08:06<elvis2>xset dont give me sencitifity
08:06<elvis2>alarm bells?
08:06<elvis2>or keyboard?
08:06<padski>I have a pIII box that goes beep. I think it is overheating. possibly even a disk drive overheating.
08:07<padski>but the disk reports no errors in the smart log.
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08:07<elvis2>leave the side of and see if it beeps?
08:07<padski>side is already off :-)
08:07<elvis2>ahh
08:07<padski>stopping the kernel compile fixed it :-)
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08:08<fxiny>gentoo syndrome ...
08:08<fxiny>:)
08:08<elvis2>get a p1111 then :)
08:08<padski>elvis2, isn't the setting mouse accel and threshold ??
08:09<elvis2>i dunno i am used to gui :(
08:09<fxiny>padski: you cheating us ? tell the thruth : your gentoo install failed :P
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08:10<padski>fxiny, I'll have you know I was warming up to building a .22 kernel for my htc universal to thry to make the acx wifi work better. this is not just idle compiling. well actually it was, but warming up for non-idle compiling :-)
08:10<padski>when I have the hang at that, I'm going to try a .303 ;-)
08:11<elvis2>so anyone help me with GUI app and wireless?
08:11<gsimmons>elvis2: At least provide the model of your wireless card, or its chipset.
08:12<elvis2>gsimmons i thought i done that
08:12<padski>nope
08:12<elvis2>belkin F5D7010
08:12<fxiny>padski: i am very hight tech when it comes to checking my processor temperature . cleaning my box is so crucial i use my bicycle pump ;)
08:12<elvis2>it is installed just need to know how to connect to a WPA netowrk
08:13<padski>fxiny, be carefull. air flow over some materials can cause static! :-)
08:13<elvis2>so can friction :P
08:14<fxiny>padski: not with a bicycle pump : no water on it :)
08:14<elvis2>brb
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08:14<padski>elvis2, edit /etc/network/interfaces
08:15<elvis2>hmm
08:15<padski>!wpa
08:15<dpkg>from memory, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA
08:15<elvis2>ok the lights on the wireless are now on
08:15<elvis2>but not connection
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08:16<ErJeDi>hiz to all and good afternoon
08:18<gsimmons>elvis2: You'll need to tell us the revision of your card. I've found references to three different chipsets for your model.
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08:19<elvis2>????
08:20<padski>gsimmons, isn't there some way to ls that bus ?
08:20<gsimmons>elvis2: The card's revision. Probably written in little letters (eg. "rev03" or "v4"). Is this marking present on your card?
08:21<qwerty^123>Is there anything I can do when the sata drives are not detected? Some command to probe for drives? Some log file that might give a hint as to what the problem is?
08:21<elvis2>i have version 3000uk
08:21<elvis2>made in china CM-1
08:22<elvis2>http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=136500
08:23<gsimmons>padski: `lspcmcia' can be used. I like using `hwinfo --wlan' for lazy (ie. bus ignorant) querying.
08:23<abrotman>!whats my hardware
08:23<dpkg>You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!
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08:24<elvis2>hwinfo is not a valid command :(
08:24<padski>Ah! this would be the "oooh, shiny!" approach ;-)
08:24<padski>apt-get install hwinfo
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08:25<elvis2>ok that worked
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08:25<elvis2>0x01 is revision
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08:26<elvis2>ooops
08:26<gsimmons>elvis2: Any reference to "Broadcom" in your hwinfo output?
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08:27<elvis2>no
08:27<gsimmons>elvis2: Alright, provide the output you receive for `hwinfo --wlan' at a pastebin for us to examine.
08:27<gsimmons>!paste
08:27<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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08:28<aycko>hi
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08:29<gsimmons>elvis2: From what I can determine, you've either an Atheros, Ralink or Broadcom chipset in there. Your system likely requires additional modules (and possibly firmware) to be installed prior to its use, which may explain your current difficulty in joining a wireless network.
08:29<elvis2>http://pastebin.com/d34ebd8c9
08:30<elvis2>gsimmons what wireless clients are there apart form netowrks?
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08:31<aycko>i have the following problem: recently i copied all my music directories from windows to linux to share them as samba share. i just recordized that the öäü characters got messed up.
08:31<aycko>is there some easy way to fix this?
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08:31<gsimmons>elvis2: I'm sorry, I don't understand your question.
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08:32<elvis2>gsimmons, what i mean like the belkin wireles tool the windows wireless tool things like that. i am curently trying to use networks
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08:32<aycko>i get only questionmarks in diamonds. so i cannot figure out the unicode number.
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08:33<gunjah>hi everybody, i'm having a security question: why is the default shell of all system users set to /bin/sh in /etc/passwd?
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08:33<gunjah>in e.g. redhat it's always set to /bin/nologin or sth. like that, so i can't su to the system user
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08:38<isuckatlinux>dpkg do u know where is the sony-laptop module when using modconf?
08:38[~]dpkg wouldn't dream of doing u know where is the sony-laptop module when using modconf
08:38<isuckatlinux>sorry
08:39<gsimmons>elvis2: I'm not familiar with the vendor-provided Windows tool for your network card. Wireless card configuration in Debian is generally done via tools provided by the 'wireless-tools' package, such as `iwconfig'. There is a configuration tool/front-end for your network card's driver (rt2500) within the 'rt2500' package.
08:41<elvis2>i have rt2500v installed
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08:45<isuckatlinux>did you install the supplicant and networkmanager?
08:45<zobel>!tell Joey about debian
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08:47<padski>if my PIII is overheating, is there some software that might tell me so ?
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08:47<isuckatlinux>hddtemp?
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08:48<padski>isuckatlinux, thanks, I'll give that a go
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08:48<Supaplex>!sensors
08:48<dpkg>[lm_sensors] a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. via kernel modules. apt-get install lm-sensors. For kernel 2.4 see the package description or lm-sensors-source. http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/
08:49<yos87>how to add permisstion for the user to file?
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08:49<isuckatlinux>chmod xxx file
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08:50<gunjah>which permission do you want to add?
08:50<yos87>isuckatlinux: xxx is the file?
08:50<padski>Supaplex, yeah I just installed that. I have not a single clue what I'm doing with it yet, but it is fun :-)
08:50<Supaplex>yos87: man chmod
08:50<yos87>gunjah: I want to add write permission for bucky to the /dev/hdb
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08:51<gunjah>have you mounted /dev/hdb already?
08:51<isuckatlinux>no, owner permissions the first x in binary, group permission, and other users permission the last x
08:51<yos87>Supaplex: in the man the told you about the change permission to other users like chmod g-w file but not to certin user
08:51<isuckatlinux>check the chmod command
08:52<Supaplex>yos87: yes, you must study, not merly read the man page.
08:52<Supaplex>!tell yos87 -about grounding
08:52<isuckatlinux>is that user the owner of the file?
08:52<yos87>gunjah: It was working, it's mounted, and it was working for all user, But I want no body to write on the cdrom, so I did chmod g-w hdb , now I want one user only to write on it
08:52<Supaplex>yos87: my bad. you might want chown and/or chgrp to.
08:53<isuckatlinux>add the users u want to allow to a new group
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08:53<Supaplex>but meddeling with device node permissions is not a best practice...
08:53<isuckatlinux>the give permissions to that group
08:54<yos87>supaplex: I read that long time, file permisstions is not there
08:54<isuckatlinux>dpkg they told me to ask you about modconf, that's why i asked
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08:55<yos87>isuckatlinux: how to creat the group, and add permission to it
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08:55<isuckatlinux>groupadd
08:55<gunjah>groupadd <groupname>
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08:56<isuckatlinux>then change the group for the file to that group
08:56<isuckatlinux>then use chmod to change permissions
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08:57<Supaplex>I guess he's trying to do what suid cdrecord does, but the hardway
08:57<isuckatlinux>does modconf shows all the modules available for my kernel? or shows all the modules available to screw up my kernel?
08:58<isuckatlinux>show him the easy way
08:59<yos87>isuckatlinux: how can I ment to the group in the chmod? there is only u,g,o, and a! what the command sample?
08:59<yos87>in the man page
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09:00<lupine_85>u = user; g = group; o = other; a = all
09:01<yos87>I know
09:02<isuckatlinux>use numbers there are 3 permissions x r and w, wrx, turn on/off each binary, for example......r and w would be, 110 that would be what a 6? so u say chmod 660 file
09:02<lupine_85>so chmod [-R] g+rwx <file> would [recursively] make <file> readable, writeable and executable by group
09:02<isuckatlinux>see lupine is a better teacher
09:02<lupine_85>isuckatlinux: octal is faster, once you get used to it
09:03<fxiny> and it adds to nerdiness :P
09:03<isuckatlinux>lol
09:03<isuckatlinux>well, i never got used to the letters
09:04<isuckatlinux>anyways there are tons of info in the web, u just need to google!!
09:04<yos87>lupine_85: I know that, but in your line above you didn't say the group name , g is for all other member !!
09:04<fxiny>most of the time you just need four : 700 750 644 and 600
09:04<lupine_85>no, g is to set permissions for the group that the file belongs to
09:04<isuckatlinux>it is for the group the file belongs to'
09:04<lupine_85>set the group with chgrp
09:05<isuckatlinux>so set the file to ur new group bro
09:05<lupine_85>e.g. chgrp [-R] <groupname> <file>
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09:05<fxiny>s/750/755/
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09:05<padski>my alarm is coming from the pc speaker. sensors-detect loads i2c-i810 eeprom w83627hf, but sensors says "No sensors found!"
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09:06<yos87>lupine_85: by chgrp the file went from the previous group?
09:07<n00bsh>man.. I love linux... but hate my brother who dont bring me the external disc to move 130gb of "musician appz" to format this shit and put debian... gah
09:07<qwerty^123>no one knows what to do when sata drives are not detected automatically?
09:07<yos87>n00sh: use hd dvd discs better
09:07<Elwyn>Um, I'm having an issue with debian. its probably perfectly normal, but im getting pissed off with this "one click opens" stuff
09:08<n00bsh>yos87 I want format and put ONLY linux here
09:08<Elwyn>how do i go to a one click selects, double opens it?
09:08<Elwyn>please? ;)
09:08<yos87>n00bsh: linux what? debian?
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09:08<padski>qwerty^123, just specific drives ?
09:08<n00bsh>yos87 yes, I think... I want use beryl too...
09:09<n00bsh>IF MY motherfuckin vga works with beryl, of course :T
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09:10<fxiny>Elwyn: kde ? open you control center
09:10<padski>ah! cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
09:10<Elwyn>yep
09:10<yos87>lupine_85: i'm little bit in the miss
09:11<padski>36C at rest. at least 45C before it goes beep.
09:11<fxiny>iirc is a mouse setting , not 100% sure
09:11<n00bsh>lupine_85 the cpu and ram loaded in amd64 is the same in i386?
09:12<n00bsh>is there a big difference?
09:12<qwerty^123>padski: added two sata drives after installing but I get no sdb or sdc. Same controller as the first (working) drive.
09:12<isuckatlinux>i guess we all asume debian when we talk
09:13<padski>qwerty^123, which you are booting off ?
09:13<isuckatlinux>sdb and sdc aren't scsi disks?
09:13<qwerty^123>padski: booting from sda1 (the installer found that one)
09:14<padski>qwerty^123, the installer was on another media ?
09:15<padski>hey 48C and rising, no beep yet
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09:15<qwerty^123>padski: installed from cd-rom
09:16<padski>qwerty^123, are the drives different models, did you try swapping them, the cables around, etc ?
09:16<padski>50C
09:16<Elwyn>fxiny, i've had a look in control centre a few times and cant spot anything. I've gone through the settings a couple times.... :(
09:16<fxiny>lemme boot a kde box
09:16<padski>Elwyn, any specific app or just in general ?
09:17<Elwyn>general kde
09:17<Elwyn>i dont think it likes me :(
09:17<padski>Elwyn, peripherals > mouse
09:17<fxiny>exactly
09:17<padski>52C :-)
09:17<Elwyn>yaaaay
09:17<fxiny>is still there
09:17<Elwyn>thank you very much ;)
09:18<fxiny>52 ?
09:18<qwerty^123>padski: one of the drives is identical to the working one and second one is a different model. Have tried swapping the cables. btw, bios detects all the drives correctly.
09:18<fxiny>too much !
09:18<yos87>lupine_85: it's working fine as I want, But I never knew how it works
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09:19<padski>qwerty^123, that was my next question, "or does something else detect them as is"
09:19<fxiny>padski: what 52 is ? hd ?
09:19<yos87>lupine_85: now, the hdb still in that group or not?
09:19<padski>qwerty^123, so when you swap them over the installer still only sees sda ?
09:20<padski>fxiny, 54C is the temp of my cpu :-) I'm finding out what temperature it goes beep at :-)))
09:20<qwerty^123>padski: I'm not installing now. I only had one drive when installing. Trying to add more drives without reinstalling.
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09:22<HoochieMen>Хай всем
09:22<HoochieMen>hello
09:22<padski>qwerty^123, ok. I'm just offering possibilities. you could swap a pair of disks and run up the installer to test what it sees. the hypothesis being that no matter how you swap them around it only sees sda and the hardware is in fact fine.
09:22[~]fxiny wow signal detector buzzs
09:22<HoochieMen>who speak russian?
09:22[~]fxiny wow signal detector flashes
09:23<qwerty^123>padski: will try that now
09:23<HoochieMen>people .. who speak on russian language?
09:23<padski>qwerty^123, if you take that conclusion as read, then I would (randomly) guess you might want a later version of the sata chipset driver. In which case you could try booting a sid install disk to see what it says
09:23<padski>!ru
09:23<dpkg>it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
09:24<HoochieMen><dpkg> thank you)
09:25<padski>qwerty^123, the small boot images (business card and net boot) are quicker to download
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09:26<padski>any suggestions for a cpu intensive workload to overheat my processor (I want something to test with after I clean the fan)
09:26<weasel>cpuburn
09:27<padski>lol
09:27<padski>weasel, thanks :-)
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09:27<weasel>:)
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09:28<n00bsh>If I install i386, can I run beryl with my vga? (ati 1900xtx)
09:28<n00bsh>?
09:28<isuckatlinux>why not
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09:28<szachista>hi
09:28<szachista>does it make any sense to move from initd to upstart?
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09:28<deepak>#debian-perl
09:28<n00bsh>a lot of ppl says "ati radeon 1900xtx suck hard, and beryl wont work it.
09:28<isuckatlinux>padski use acpi to check ur system
09:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 321] by debhelper
09:29<qwerty^123>padski: installer only found one drive (etch amd64 netinst)
09:29<padski>isuckatlinux, in the sense of 'test' or of 'limit' ?
09:29<szachista>i mean is it reliable now?
09:29<isuckatlinux>well unless u have more knowledge than those other people, i woundnt waste my time
09:29<isuckatlinux>test
09:29<padski>szachista, is upstart packaged in debian yet ?
09:29<szachista>padski yes
09:30<szachista>padski it's in my repos
09:30<n00bsh>isuckatlinux nice! thanks
09:30<szachista>padski v. 0.3
09:30<szachista>but i can't find in testing, only unstable
09:30<szachista>so it seems like there are some problems with it
09:31<qwerty^123>padski: I'll try sid
09:31<n00bsh>isuckatlinux I read here... ati1900xtx and beryl works only in amd64, correct?
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09:31<padski>qwerty^123, see what it says
09:32<padski>szachista, looks like upstart is packaged in experimental
09:32<szachista>padski erm... yeah, you are rightf
09:32<gsimmons>n00bsh: How about you just "try it and see"? Others in this channel previously dismissed the claim that your video card's memory (512M) is insufficient.
09:33<szachista>so have anybody tried it and didn't broke the system?
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09:33<n00bsh>gsimmons ok, but im asking about the compatibility, not about the performance of vga, buts ok, sry, by bad.
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09:34<padski>szachista, if you are interested in that sort of thing there is a mailing list and a lot of work goes on. I thought I knew that stuff inside and out until I looked closely :-)
09:34<n00bsh>(my bad)
09:35<padski>I want to know why cpuburn does not detect you cpu and then burn it appropriately, rather than supplying burnP5, burnP6, etc :-)
09:35<szachista>padski well, i'm interested in speeding up my system...
09:35<padski>szachista, good, cheap, fast. pick two :-)
09:36<padski>wow! instant 5C leap!
09:36<padski>looks like 60C is the limit :-)
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09:37<padski>szachista, you could always re-code your init scripts in C ;-)
09:37<n00bsh>well, thanks for lots of information and good work guys. Keep the heading, always, bye :) (sorry for something)
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09:37<szachista>padski removing useless rcx scripts was a good & fast way to speed up boot process
09:37<szachista>padski but it still takes me over one minute
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09:40<padski>szachista, again, I don't have figures handy, but this is a well trodden path, have a google about. there is some considerable saving to be had, but what do you want to get down to ?
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09:41<szachista>padski i just want to speed up boot process, other distros (pld and ubuntu) used to boot faster on my machine
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09:46<padski>szachista, every system and setup has its trade-offs. there are several different init replacements in debian, each with different goals, but I have only ever used the stock sysvinit. runit, for example, is in etch and has sometimes been hawked as faster (IIRC correctly that is not the most interesting feature, but hey!)
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09:47<dondelelcaro>the major speed gains are by using dash instead of bash; if you need it even faster, there are other things to do
09:47<Myon>like using hibernate :)
09:47<padski>yeah, hibernate ...
09:47<padski>or just don't ever switch off :-)
09:47<qwerty^123>padski: sid installer found all the drives. I gues this means I need to install the sata driver used by sid.
09:48<Myon>reminds me I need to remove some crap(py daemons) here
09:49<bzed>!kmuto qwerty^123
09:49<bzed>!kmuto
09:49<dpkg>For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
09:51<melio>I have a question about networking
09:51<melio>simple :
09:51<melio>explain this : http://paste.debian.net/36594
09:51<padski>qwerty^123, it gives you somewhere to start. you could likely figure out when the fix went in, at the cost of some work, you could run a later kernel (I am running the .22 kernel in sid on one of my desktops for the better wifi driver, seems to work). you could backport the fix ... which approach depends
09:51<melio>my network router sees every mac address
09:51<melio>is this ipv6?
09:51<melio>virtual mac addresses being generated from debian?
09:51<melio>cause I only have 1 adaptor
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09:53<padski>qwerty^123, probably makes sense to figure that out in terms of setup, maintenance and intended duty
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09:55<qwerty^123>padski/bzed: downloading the etch_custom from kmuto
09:57<melio>is this common ? http://paste.debian.net/36594
09:58<padski>melio, how do you get it to do that ? :-)
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10:00<melio>padski i'm skeered, it's too many mac addresses for my little router :(
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10:02<padski>melio, lol
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10:03<padski>I have to go clean this cpu fan
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10:05<tina>ada yang tau cara installasi printer canon bjc255sp ?
10:06<tina>kakau ada yang tau tolong kasih tau dong aku butuh banget nih
10:06<isuckatlinux>english please
10:07<tina>ga usah pake bahasa english ya
10:07<Aleks>Ïðèâåò, ðóññêèå åñòü?
10:07<tina>sO aku ga ngerti
10:07<tina>ya ya ya ya ya
10:08<azeem>!ru
10:08<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
10:08<isuckatlinux>im sure u can google someting
10:08<isuckatlinux>using that
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10:09<Aleks>Plise
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10:09<tina>oke
10:10<azeem>on irc.freenode.net
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10:13<mehul>Does anyone know how I can use just one sound system with Debian ? There's ALSA, then there's ESD (used by GNOME), then there's OSS being used by some other apps. Its a mess ! I can't get the sound to work correctly
10:14<mehul>at all.
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10:25<yos87>Hi
10:26<yos87>I have problem, I cannot write on my cdrom, I have permission problem , But I cannot make it out, somebody can help me?
10:27<melio>login as root
10:27<yos87>I did already
10:27<melio>how?
10:27<yos87>su
10:27<melio>try su -
10:27<melio>or log out completly
10:27<melio>and login w/ root/pass
10:28<yos87>there is # it mean I'm root
10:28<yos87>I change something in the permission for the /dev/hdb
10:29<melio>view the permissions for it
10:29<yos87>http://pastebin.com/d4aa52713
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10:31<yos87>no
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10:32<yos87>I past differant file,
10:32<yos87>this is the right one
10:32<yos87>http://pastebin.com/d51363754
10:32<melio>strange cause everything looks fine
10:32<melio>can you eject the cdrom drive?
10:32<yos87>no
10:33<yos87>unable to open
10:33<melio>reboot
10:33<melio>something locked it
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10:33<melio>and I don't know where it would be locked
10:33<yos87>in the http://pastebin.com/d51363754 nothing wrong?
10:33<melio>not that i noticed
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10:34<yos87>But I'm using the cdrom under root account, I want to use under another user
10:34<pgimeno>I saw no read permissions for 'others'
10:34<yos87>then how to make it?
10:35<yos87>chmod o+r hdb?
10:35<melio>if I want the newer version of thunderbird/firefox
10:35<melio>(versions)
10:35<pgimeno>yup
10:35<melio>should i just wait for them to hit repos
10:35<weasel>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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10:35<melio>or should i get em from the website
10:35<weasel>no, you don't fuzz with permissions of block devices
10:35<melio>cause this version of "icedove" thunderbird is old
10:36<melio>there's newer stuff out that's way better
10:36<melio>even has gmail integration
10:36<padski>cleaning heatsink and fan results in a 15C temp drop! thanks to all :-)
10:36<yos87>now i'm able to eject pgimeno
10:36<melio>padski, always keep that stuff clean
10:36<pgimeno>yos87: actually the permissions as they were in the former listing allow you to control access to CDROM to users by adding or removing users to/from group cdrom
10:36<melio>padski, I clean my heatsinks/fans every 6 months
10:36<melio>replace them if they buzz/make noise
10:36<padski>I think this is the first time on this machine :-)
10:36<melio>upgrade heatsinks if they start to get too dirty to clean
10:36<pgimeno>yos87: what about read?
10:37<melio>heat = poor performance
10:37<yos87>pgimeno: read work, I want to write, I'm trying
10:37<padski>yeah. I'm tired of mechanical parts. they are so 20th Century.
10:37<padski>;-)
10:37<pgimeno>yos87: write to cdrom????
10:37<yos87>yes
10:38<yos87>burn]
10:38<pgimeno>yos87: aaaah
10:38<padski>I can do burnP6 at a steady 34C now. I was idling at 36C before :-)
10:39<padski>it is slowly going up though ...
10:39<yos87>pgimeno: Thank you , it's working
10:40<padski>isn't there supposed to be some ,kind of thermostatic speed stepping anyways ?
10:40<pgimeno>yos87: cool!
10:40[~]fxiny sends padski his bicycle pump
10:40<padski>fxiny, thanks. I used ear buds :-)
10:40<fxiny>ffff ffff
10:40<pgimeno>What tool can I use to list the packages/conflicts that installing a package would produce, without marking that package for installation? Is there one?
10:40<yos87>pgimeno: actually what I want is to prevent all users or writing on the cdrom , and let one user only burn, how can I do that
10:41<yos87>pgimeno: I damage it when I was trying to do that on a website tuterial
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10:43<fxiny>pgimeno: apt-get -s install <packagename> ?
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10:44<pgimeno>yos87: well, that's beyond the scope of this channel, I guess, but group permissions should serve for that purpose... the idea is to add the user that can burn to the group; the permissions should be rw-rw-r-- and the user/group e.g. root/burning
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10:44<pgimeno>fxiny: I didn't see -s, thanks, let me try
10:45<yos87>pgimeno: it seems very diffecult, I was trying since morning :D
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10:46<yos87>pgimeno: use Synaptic
10:46<yos87>;)
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10:49<bkw>I'm trying to compile drivers for my serial controller, but I get http://pastebin.ca/687204
10:49<melio>how do i upgrade from 1.5.0.12.dfsg1-0etch1 to 2.0 icedove?
10:49<melio>cause 1.5 sucks
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10:50<bkw>make: Entering an unknown directory
10:50<bkw>make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
10:50<azeem>melio: check whether backports.org has it
10:50<melio>i'm new to debian azeem
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10:50<melio>do I have to add it to sources.lists?
10:51<azeem>melio: no, you need to check first
10:51<melio>http://packages.debian.org/sid/icedove/i386/download
10:51<azeem>!backports.org
10:51<dpkg>backports.org is probably an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>
10:51<melio>that's where I see it
10:51<azeem>melio: what version of Debian?
10:51<melio>4.0
10:52<azeem>that url above isn't for 4.0
10:52<azeem>4.0 only has 1.5
10:52<melio>is there a newer version?
10:52<melio>that uses 2.0?
10:52<melio>or do I have to wait for it to get ported to 4.0 userland
10:52<azeem>the latter
10:52<bkw>ah! I installed the headers
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10:53<azeem>in general, you have to wait until Debian releases a new version, i.e. 4.1 or 5.0, whatever comes next
10:53<melio>yuck I have to wait for icedove and iceweazle updates/
10:53<melio>can't I just run the non-free thunderbird/firefox on debian 4?
10:53<melio>with the later versions
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10:53<azeem>how is that different, they're just renamed, not non-free
10:53<melio>yeah but I can get em off the website and just install em
10:54<azeem>melio: that's not supported
10:54<azeem>you can try, but then ask Mozilla corp for support, not us
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10:55<melio>so like, I'm stuck on last years apps
10:55<melio>until a new os is pushed
10:55<melio>if i want support
10:55<melio>and stability :P
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10:57<azeem>melio: alternatively, you can wait till icedove 2.0 has entered testing and then use that
10:58<melio>I suppose
10:58<melio>it's not that big of a deal I guess
10:58<melio>I'm switching from fedora to debian
10:59<melio>I'm kinda used to having latest/greatest even if it's unstable/broke
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10:59<melio>I'm patient :)
10:59<elvis>ok i have now got the touchpad software working but my wireless still wont work :( it is in networks but i can not get it to conect to my router :(
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11:00<azeem>melio: then run unstable, but unstable isn't supported here either
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11:00<melio>i'll stick with what comes defualt
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11:00<melio>it's not that big of a deal. it works fine
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11:06<elvis>so anyone know ow to sort wireless?
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11:07<pgimeno>fxiny: apt-get -s only works as root... is there a way to check dependencies as normal user?
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11:09<fxiny>pgimeno: what's the problem ? can't you su ? browse to debian package
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11:12<fxiny>pgimeno: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
11:13<pgimeno>fxiny: the problem is that I have a local dselect running as root but I don't have access to the console because I'm not at the computer, so the database is write-locked. I don't want to kill the process; I prefer to wait until I can access the console. But I would want to know what the result of installing a package would be.
11:14<azeem>pgimeno: you can't, best you can do is calculate manually from apt-cache output I guess
11:14<azeem>until dselect releases the lock, that is
11:15<pgimeno>azeem: oh ok, thanks
11:16<melio>so can anyone explain why I have 26+ mac addresses?
11:16<azeem>melio: pastebin it
11:16<azeem>!paste
11:16<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
11:16<elvis>ok i am lost on the wireless :(
11:17<melio>http://www.nopaste.com/p/axCOoBiDA
11:17<melio>this is what my router shows
11:17<melio>as connected devices
11:17<melio>(mac/ips)
11:17<melio>the first 1 is my wife's pc
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11:17<yos87>azeem: in Synaptic when you select package it will check all other packages realted to for installation, isn't it what he looking for?
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11:18<fxiny>pgimeno: i's ssh to the box
11:18<fxiny>i'd*
11:18<Elwyn>hey melio, that's pretty impressive ;) All those MACs for one IP :)
11:18<melio>yeah
11:18<melio>what's the reason for it?
11:18<melio>ipv6?
11:19<Elwyn>I dunno, i'm lurking in the hope of learning summat ;)
11:19<pgimeno>fxiny: can I control the terminal (tty1) somehow? I'm VNCing to the box right now.
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11:20<melio>http://www.nopaste.com/p/apsb4r8sib <- ifconfig -a output
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11:22<fxiny>pgimeno: yes you can do anything , just open an xterm
11:22<elvis>anyone know how to make this wireless thing connect? networks wont make it connect is there another way?
11:23<padski>elvis, were you elvis2 earlier on ?
11:23<elvis>yes
11:23<elvis>sory
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11:24<padski>np, just helps. so where did you get up to ?
11:24<elvis2>i got touchpad working
11:25<elvis2>it is installed just wont connect
11:25<padski>cool :-)
11:25<padski>what does iwconfig say
11:25<elvis2>my stupidity for not reading
11:25<padski>huh ? it says what ?
11:26<elvis2>sorry answering previous question
11:26<elvis2>iwconfig is not a command
11:26<fxiny>pgimeno: to ssh from window to your debian box you need to install putty
11:27<padski>/sbin/iwconfig
11:27<elvis2>padski do you want interfaces pasted?
11:27<pgimeno>fxiny: I'm afraid you've misunderstood me. There's a console (tty) which has dselect running as root. I am using ssh+vnc to access the box, but as the dselect is running at the console, I have no access to it, other than killing the process.
11:27<elvis2>looks a bit empty
11:27<padski>does it have the right ESSID ?
11:28<pgimeno>fxiny: I seem to recall there's something that allows attaching to a console, but I don't remember the program name
11:28<azeem>screen
11:28<petemc>chvt ?
11:28<azeem>of course, you'd need to run dselect in screen beforhand
11:28<elvis2>it did
11:28<padski>elvis2, past tense ?
11:29<Myon>pgimeno: retty
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11:29<melio>so is there an explaination for my multitude of mac addresses?
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11:29<pgimeno>azeem: no, something à la screen
11:29<pgimeno>Myon: that may be it, thanks
11:29<elvis2>ok my iwconfig is wierd
11:29<melio>http://www.nopaste.com/p/axCOoBiDA
11:29<padski>elvis2, why ?
11:29<padski>melio, I'm sorry melio. I dunno. you still didn;t tell me how you get that output ?
11:30<melio>padski, from my netgear router
11:30<elvis2>it has @ and stuff in it
11:30<melio>I'm guessing ipv6 is flipping it out
11:30<melio>it's an older router
11:30<melio>how do I disable ipv6
11:30<melio>it's not needed
11:31<padski>melio, one way is to move the kernel module out the way so it can't load. I think there might be an option in sysctl
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11:33<padski>elvis2, huh ?
11:33<melio>padski, eh soudns dangerous
11:33<melio>:p
11:33<melio>isnt there a service manager in debian
11:33<melio>so I can enable/disable services that load at start
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11:33<azeem>ipv6 is not a service
11:34<melio>oh fair enough
11:34<melio>i'm certain ipv6 is causing the multitude of macs
11:34<elvis2>one moment trying to put it insto paste bin the hard way (only way i know how
11:34<fxiny>man update-rc.d
11:34<padski>I really like the "if its not there it can't load it approach", but I realise its a little primitive :-)
11:35<fxiny>better then removing a package terminatorstyle :)
11:36<elvis2>ok its up
11:36<elvis2>http://pastebin.com/d49fc92a
11:36<elvis2>there we go there sthe iwconfig file
11:36<padski>sysctl -a 2>/dev/null | grep ipv6 | wc -l
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11:37<padski>if there is an option there I can't find it :-) I suppose maybe you can blacklist the module ???
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11:39<padski>elvis2, looks like your iwconfig is in pain :-(
11:39<elvis2>so am i as i cant get wireless
11:40<azeem>elvis2: did you pastebin the content of the iwconfig binary, instead of its output?
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11:40<padski>lol
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11:41<fxiny>29 mac addresses are some kind of a record : not even the nsa data center or the holy vatica-sun system can sport such a figuere : congratulations :P
11:41<fxiny>vatican*
11:41<elvis2>?
11:41<Elwyn>29 different mac addresses to one ip address
11:41<elvis2>i did nano iwconfig?
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11:41<azeem>elvis2: iwconfig is a program
11:41<elvis2>ok
11:42<Elwyn>although that was melio not elvis(2)
11:42<azeem>pastebin the output when you run "iwconfig"
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11:42<Myon>.oO(elvis is a system call?)
11:42<Melio>ok I disabled ipv6
11:42<Melio>but the mac address's are still appearing
11:42<azeem>Melio: they're cached
11:42<elvis2>http://pastebin.com/d3b7d7d23
11:42<elvis2>sorry
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11:43<elvis2>was wondering why it did not end in .conf or something else
11:43<azeem>elvis2: what does "dhclient eth2" say?
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11:43<azeem>elvis2: and what is your problem anyway
11:43<elvis2>it wont connect to the router
11:43<Melio>azeem, yeah I'm gonna reboot the router
11:43<azeem>elvis2: what does dhclient eth2 say?
11:43<elvis2>its not a commant
11:44<elvis2>command
11:44<padski>elvis2, that looks like the wifi stuff is connected and maybe you just need IP on top of that
11:44<elvis2>networks is set to autodhcp
11:44<azeem>elvis2: run it as root
11:44<azeem>elvis2: do you have WEP/WPA security on your WLAN?
11:44<elvis2>oops
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11:44<elvis2>WPA for now
11:45<azeem>well, you'd need to configure that
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11:45<elvis2>http://pastebin.com/d34e231cb
11:45<elvis2>?]
11:45<padski>elvis2, that interfaces(5) file is WEP style ?
11:45<elvis2>?
11:45<azeem>elvis2: ok
11:46<elvis2>please be gentle i have been using windows for years
11:46<azeem>elvis2: does "ping 10.0.0.2" work?
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11:46<elvis2>25% packet lost 8 sent 6 recieved
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11:47<elvis2>but thats probably cause i stoped it
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11:47<azeem>ok
11:47<azeem>elvis2: does "ping 209.85.129.104" work?
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11:47<padski>Melio, apparently you can "alias net-pf-10 off # disable automatically load of IPv6 module on demand" in /etc/modprobe.conf
11:48<elvis2>do i need to unplug the ethernet cable for these tests ?
11:48<fxiny>google is ping /dev/null :)
11:48<azeem>elvis2: eh
11:48<elvis2>i am talking to you on the laptop
11:48<azeem>elvis2: pastebin the output of "/sbin/route"
11:49<padski>Melio, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409, for more
11:49<elvis2>i will connect through a windows pc as elvis3
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11:50<elvis2>http://pastebin.com/d7885093b
11:50<azeem>elvis2: ok
11:51<elvis2>eth0 is the ehternet
11:51<azeem>elvis2: run "ifdown eth0" to make sure
11:51<azeem>elvis2: then check whether "ping 209.85.129.104" works
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11:52<elvis3>no it does not work
11:52<elvis3>17 transmited 8 recieved
11:52<elvis3>3 errors
11:52<azeem>8 received
11:52<elvis3>yeah first 6 failed
11:52<azeem>does it say something about "blabla ms"
11:53<azeem>elvis2: then check whether "ping www.google.com" works
11:53<elvis3>one minute
11:54<elvis2>http://pastebin.com/d26953e29
11:54<elvis3>hehe i disconect and it stays connected
11:54<azeem>why did you run ifup eth0
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11:55<elvis3>to paste that cause i wasnt sure if it was connected
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11:55<azeem>elvis2: well, make sure eth0 is down, and eth2 has the default route and see whether "ping www.google.com" works
11:56<azeem>if that works, you should be set
11:56<elvis3>doing that now unplugged the ethernet cable
11:56<elvis3>nope ping: unknown host www.google.co.uk
11:56<padski>I'd like to see the bill for pings at google ;-)
11:57<elvis3>lol
11:57<azeem>elvis2: what does /sbin/route say now
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11:57<azeem>you might've messed up your wlan config with that ifup eth0
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11:57<elvis3>looks same as before
11:58<elvis3>destination
11:58<elvis3>one exeption
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11:58<elvis3>gateway is now 10.0.0.2
11:58<azeem>elvis2: before there was eth0 in it
11:58<azeem>ok
11:58<azeem>what's the content of /etc/resolv.conf
11:58<elvis3>azeem eth0 is still in it
11:59<azeem>elvis3: 18:54 < azeem> elvis2: well, make sure eth0 is down,
11:59<azeem>anyway.
11:59<azeem>what's the content of /etc/resolv.conf
11:59<elvis3>i dont have that
11:59<azeem>there you go
11:59<azeem>elvis3: run "dhclient eth2" again
11:59<azeem>see whether you have one then
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12:00<elvis3>i seem to be connecting to a 10.0.0.0 range instead of 192
12:00<elvis3>nothing about resolv in ther
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12:01<azeem>elvis3: in where?
12:02<elvis3>that commands output
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12:03<azeem>elvis3: do you have /etc/resolv.conf now?
12:03<elvis3>i still only have a folder resolvconf
12:03<azeem>hrm
12:04<elvis3>i have rc files
12:04<azeem>yeah, ok
12:04<azeem>did you configure resolvconf in some way?
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12:04<matsu_dam>@ pc?
12:04<elvis3>my fault here
12:04<padski>elvis2, I've not used it but I understand there are things like the package laptop-net which will help you with moving a laptop from network to network. hopefully someone here who is familiar with these things will chime in.
12:04<padski>elvis2, for that matter there is probably a gui in your desktop of choice. all my recent wifi experiences required pain that went beyond what point-and-click could supply :-)
12:04<matsu_dam>sorry
12:04<elvis3>if i typeresolve.conf i get permission denied
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12:05<azeem>elvis3: run "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
12:05<azeem>does it say "nameserver <ip-address>"
12:05<azeem>besides others
12:06<elvis3>yes is adress of 10.0..0.2
12:06<azeem>ok
12:06<elvis3>i was tabbing sorrty
12:06<elvis3>was trying to go quick way
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12:06<azeem>elvis3: so does "ping www.google.com" print some ms timings?
12:07<elvis3>yes
12:07<azeem>ok
12:07<azeem>elvis3: then fire up a web browser and see whether you can access the www
12:07<elvis3>8 packets sent 6 recieved
12:08<elvis3>i have net yay
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12:08<elvis3>if i plug in a ethernet cable will it go for a wander again?
12:08<matsu_dam>I would like to ask if there is specific client to use in gnome instead of kppp
12:08<matsu_dam>tks
12:09<matsu_dam>I would like to ask if there is a specific client to ppp to use in gnome instead of kppp***
12:10<n3x>is there a way to watch somones TTYL from putty? i dont know if i trust them yet.. Is there a way to watch what there doing
12:10<elvis3>azeem is it supposed to be this slow?
12:10<petemc>n3x: if they use screen you can
12:10<n3x>i cant view what there doign in there term ?
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12:10<petemc>there are apps like ttysnoop
12:10<elvis3>azeem it times out every now and again :9
12:11<azeem>elvis3: do you use Gnome or KDE?
12:11<elvis3>gnome
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12:12<azeem>elvis3: maybe try to install network-manager-gnome then
12:12<azeem>elvis3: it might drastically improve your networking setup, provided it works with your wlan card
12:12<elvis3>say it is installed
12:13<matsu_dam>HELP: I would like to ask if there is a specific client to ppp to use in gnome instead of kppp***
12:14<pgimeno>Myon: for the record, LinuxVNC was what I was looking for, not retty, but thanks anyway. I've closed the running dselect and logged out of the console.
12:14<azeem>elvis3: then comment out everything in /etc/network/interfaces; run "nm-applet" and then "/etc/init.d/dbus restart"
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12:14<elvis3>ok one moment
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12:15<elvis3>ooo gave me error
12:16<elvis3>authentication rejected
12:16<azeem>at what point?
12:16<elvis3>none of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
12:16<elvis3>the nm-applet
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12:17<azeem>try that dbus restart before you run nm-applet then
12:17<azeem>oh
12:17<azeem>elvis3: what does the program "groups" output?
12:17<elvis3>?
12:17<azeem>run "groups"
12:17<elvis3>?
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12:17<azeem>see whether it says (besides others) "netdev"?
12:17<azeem>elvis3: what is unclear?
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12:18<elvis3>groups outputs root
12:18<azeem>uh
12:18<elvis3>that all it says in groups
12:18<azeem>elvis3: are you logged in as root?
12:18<azeem>or just running a root terminal
12:18<elvis3>i am in konsole as root
12:18<azeem>then try on another konsole
12:18<elvis3>i am logged on as normal user
12:18<azeem>ok
12:19<azeem>you need to start nm-applet as your regular user
12:19<azeem>but dbus restart is to be run as root
12:19<elvis3>ok
12:19<elvis3>nm-applet is trying to do something
12:20<azeem>do you have your ethernet plugged in?
12:20<elvis3>no
12:20<azeem>ok
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12:20<azeem>left-click on the icon which popped up, select your wlan network
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12:21<n3x>how do we view TOTAL CPU usage
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12:21<elvis3>no
12:21<quarqy>im new to linux and want to use debian4 etch. i have been to ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian-iso/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/. disk 1 says its 4gig but downloading its only 399meg is this correct
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12:21<quarqy>and do i need all dvd to make debain work or can i just take the first one
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12:21<azeem>elvis3: no to what?
12:22<elvis3>it is just sitting there blank page
12:22<azeem>elvis3: what is "it"?
12:22<chealer>quarqy: no, no
12:22<elvis3>that command
12:22<kingsley>quarqy: I seem to recall that debian.org has installation instructions.
12:22<azeem>elvis3: did an icon show up?
12:22<azeem>on the gnome panel
12:22<elvis3>no
12:23<azeem>elvis3: do you have a notification bar?
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12:23<elvis3>ohh the tob bar show another ethernet sign
12:23<azeem>there you go
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12:23<elvis3>that is for ethernet cable though?
12:23<azeem>elvis3: make a screenshot and post it
12:23<quarqy>kingsley it does not say how much dvd disk that should be downloaded. so please dont try it on
12:23<azeem>!pastebin
12:23<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
12:24<azeem>elvis3: http://picpaste.com
12:24<matsu_dam>kingsley, HELP: I would like to ask if there is a specific client to ppp to use in gnome instead of kppp***
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12:24<quarqy>im looking for help if i wanted to the piss taken out of i would of log onto the comedy chan
12:25<elvis2>http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_1.png
12:26<azeem>elvis3: ok, both those ethernet icons are from nm-applet
12:26<elvis3>ok
12:26<azeem>elvis3: right click on them and see whether it says anythign about wireless
12:26<elvis3>do you want me to do that other command ?
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12:26<the_bull>hello all
12:26<elvis3>no none say anything about wireless
12:26<the_bull>i hv tried to install mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-bd
12:26<azeem>elvis3: hrm, yeah, restart dbus
12:26<quarqy>does anybody here knows how many DVD needed to install debian...
12:27<elvis3>done
12:27<azeem>elvis3: did you comment out stuff in /etc/network/interfaces?
12:27<elvis3>1
12:27<the_bull>nd.. it says that.. i need firefox to be installed, but firefox2.0.0.6 is already installed
12:27<elvis3>yes
12:27<azeem>did the icons change?
12:27<quarqy>the first one is only 399meg and not 4gig as per site
12:27<the_bull>is there nyone who can help me with this issue?
12:27<elvis3>yes
12:27<chealer>quarqy: yes
12:28<azeem>elvis3: make the mouse hover over it, what does the tooltip sy?
12:28<azeem>say*
12:28<elvis3>no network conection
12:28<the_bull>is there anyone who can help me with firefox issue?
12:28<azeem>elvis3: left-click on it again, select a wireless network if any
12:28<quarqy>chealer is that yes to dvd 1st disk is debian or yes i should download all dvd's
12:28<elvis3>azeem it aint showing in there
12:28<azeem>the_bull: how did you install firefox
12:29<quarqy>3 dvd disk and 1 update
12:29<chealer>quarqy: yes, somebody knows how many DVD needed to install debian.
12:29<azeem>elvis3: make a screenshot of what pops up when you left click
12:29<the_bull>azeem, just untar the firefox.tar and copy the firefox.bin into /usr/local/bin
12:29<quarqy>y r you guys like this
12:29<azeem>the_bull: then you will have to setup the locales in the same way
12:29<elvis3>one minute its now appeard
12:29<the_bull>azeem, but that locales is deb package
12:29<azeem>the_bull: you can't have bothh
12:30<elvis3>how do i edit the key if needed?
12:30<azeem>either .deb or no .deb
12:30<quarqy>is it because you all know and i dont. does it make you feel good
12:30<azeem>elvis3: which key?
12:30<elvis3>the wireless key
12:30<azeem>elvis3: it should ask you for it
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12:30<azeem>if the network requires one
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12:30<elvis3>its not will i change his to wep?
12:30<azeem>elvis3: did you select you wlan?
12:31<elvis3>?
12:31<quarqy>im joining another chan because you lot have got your head up your asses
12:31<elvis3>ok i have a box asking for a key
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12:31<azeem>voila
12:31<elvis3>but it is only giving wep
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12:31<fxiny>ohh : i missed him
12:31<azeem>which version of Debian is this?
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12:32<elvis3>thankyou azeem
12:32<elvis3>i am using etch
12:32<elvis3>brb needing juice
12:32<the_bull>azeem, is there any way by which i can create source files in deb package
12:32<azeem>the_bull: you mean create deb package from source files?
12:33<the_bull>azeem, yep!
12:33<azeem>the_bull: yes, /msg dpkg nmg
12:33<azeem>the_bull: it's not trivial, though
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12:34<the_bull>azeem, /msg dpkg nmg means what?
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12:35<azeem>the_bull: it's an irc command
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12:35<azeem>it means "ask the dpkg bot for information on nmg"
12:35<the_bull>azeem, what will it do?
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12:35<the_bull>aaah
12:35<nicholas_>is something wrong with http.us.debian.org 35.9.37.225?
12:36<nicholas_>the conn times out, has been all today and yesterday.
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12:37<simonrvn2>nicholas_: no, not for me, it's slow to connect, but it's there
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12:38<chealer>nicholas_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/09/msg00168.html
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12:39<elvis3>ok i need to change his to wep give us a min
12:40<azeem>elvis3: n-m should also support wpa
12:40<azeem>elvis3: maybe read the manual
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12:42<elvis3>not accepting his WPA key
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12:43<azeem>elvis3: what was your wlan card again?
12:43<elvis3>belkin
12:43<elvis3>eth2
12:44<azeem>is that an internal one?
12:44<elvis3>no
12:44<azeem>hrm
12:44<elvis3>the internal one dont work
12:44<azeem>what is that?
12:44<nicholas_>chealer: thanks
12:44<elvis3>i dunno it came with the laptop and i have never figured out what it is
12:45<azeem>elvis3: "lspci | grep Network" should tell use
12:45<azeem>us*
12:46<elvis3>only seeing the belkin in there
12:46<azeem>you said the belkin was an external one
12:46<elvis3>yes
12:46<azeem>via usb?
12:46<elvis3>its a pcmcia
12:46<azeem>hrm
12:46<azeem>anyway, no idea then
12:47<azeem>elvis3: did you setup WPA before, because earlier you could just access the internet fine via WLAN, no?
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12:48<elvis3>i was using ethernet untill you told me to unplug it it was connection magicly somehow before
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12:49<azeem>elvis3: I doubt it used WPA then
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12:50<the_bull>azeem, i hv installed iceweasel from my debian dvd
12:50<the_bull>azeem, but yet.... mozilla locale is not installing... says...firefox is not installed
12:51<azeem>the_bull: which version of Debian?
12:51<the_bull>Etch
12:51<azeem>what package are you trying to install?
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12:52<the_bull>azeem, mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-bd
12:53<azeem>the_bull: and how?
12:53<elvis2>azeem thankyou very much for your help[
12:53<azeem>that package is not in etch
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12:54<the_bull>azeem, nd how means what? dpkg -i ............deb
12:54<elvis2>see ya later hopefully i can connect with WEP.
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12:54<azeem>the_bull: where do you have the .deb from?
12:54<Melio>hey look the_bull stops here
12:54<Melio>:P
12:55<the_bull>Melio, what`s ur problem?
12:55<the_bull>azeem, from ubuntu mirror
12:55<azeem>the_bull: you cannot mix Debian and Ubuntu packages
12:55<azeem>Melio: do you know the_bull?
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12:56<Melio>no, but that's a popular slogan printed on the floor infront of dart boards
12:56<Melio>usualy to mark the distance for legal dart throwing competitions
12:56<the_bull>azeem, come on... i hv used many things which i took from ubuntu and installed in debian
12:56[~]fxiny the fly is in the ointment
12:56<azeem>the_bull: well, this time it didn't work, eh?
12:56<the_bull>azeem, like language-pack-gnome-bn-base
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12:56<the_bull>azeem, then how did u say that... i cannot mix ubuntu and debian
12:57<azeem>the_bull: I retract that
12:57<azeem>I should've said: You shouldn't mix Debian and Ubuntu, because it is not supported
12:57<azeem>if it messes up your system it's your problem
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12:57<azeem>try to dpkg -P that mozilla-firefox-locale- package agin
12:57<azeem>again*
12:57<azeem>if it got installed at all
12:58<the_bull>azeem, dpkg -P mozilla....?
12:58<the_bull>azeem, this command?
12:58<azeem>the_bull: what does "dpkg -l mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-bd | tail -1" say?
12:59[~]ARitualSacrifice is back (gone 00:43:07)
12:59<azeem>ARitualSacrifice: please turn that off
12:59<the_bull>azeem, i don`t need to look at that with this command
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12:59<azeem>*shrug*
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13:00<azeem>the_bull: do you need any further assistance then?
13:00<ARitualSacrifice>azeem, my bad
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13:00<the_bull>azeem, the thing will shows ... an error full/ not fully installed package
13:00<the_bull>azeem, obviously azeem....
13:00<azeem>the_bull: I suggest you purge that package again
13:00<azeem>dpkg -P mozilla-firefox-locale-bn-bd
13:01<the_bull>azeem, i did it... cause without this... my synaptic shows *broken* package
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13:02<n3x>is there a way to view how much ram is installed on the PC
13:02<azeem>n3x: free
13:02<n3x> total used free shared buffers cached
13:02<n3x>Mem: 904928 452072 452856 0 8020 258156
13:02<n3x>-/+ buffers/cache: 185896 719032
13:02<n3x>oh shit sorry
13:02<n3x>so how much is there ?
13:03<azeem>n3x: do you know what `total' means?
13:03<n3x>9 gig ?
13:03<the_bull>azeem, can u provide nything else?
13:03<azeem>n3x: 900MB
13:03<n3x>so that means this server only has 1 gig of ram ?
13:03<azeem>the_bull: did you check whether iceweasel isn't just localized already?
13:03<azeem>n3x: correctamundo!
13:04<the_bull>azeem, hahaha...8-D...no bro
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13:04<fenix>motha fuckass!!!
13:04<azeem>fenix: chill
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13:05<azeem>n3x: please read the /topic: /msg bots, not people
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13:08<n3x>azeem
13:08<n3x>ive had so much trouble with my datacenter host
13:08<n3x>they promised 2 gig, its not
13:08<mehul>I've got a Debian system that has a printer attached to it. How do I make it a print server for other Linux systems like my laptop ?
13:08<n3x>is there any other ways to check it ?
13:08<Snagoo>Hallo, habe ein Installations Problem mit Debian, es erkennt meine Samsung 500 GB Sata Festplatte nicht, bitte um Hilfe!!!
13:08<mehul>All my Linux systems are Debian Etch.
13:08<chealer>!tell Snagoo about de
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13:10<the-dude>mehul, try cups
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13:13<ErJeDi>mehul: for debian use cups to configure the printers
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13:13<ErJeDi>instead of another system
13:14<pgimeno>n3x: Linux kernel needs special option to recognize > 900K, I believe. Are you using a stock kernel?
13:16<isuckatlinux>anyone know how to fix java in iceweasel
13:17<chealer>mehul: IIRC you just need to change the Listen directive to listen to everywhere.
13:17<chealer>isuckatlinux: try being vaguer
13:18<the-dude>isuckatlinux, did you tried using apt ?
13:19<isuckatlinux>I downloaded java runtime from suns site, I installed it, change it to the users gruoup, created the soft link under pluggins directory for iceweasel, no i get nothing
13:20<isuckatlinux>apt for what
13:20<the-dude>did you stop iceweasel? and check if it reconises the module?
13:20<the-dude>about:plugins? does it show
13:21<isuckatlinux>all the applet java bs shows as yest
13:21<isuckatlinux>yes
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13:22<mehul>ErJeDi: I've got cups for printing. That's all I use. Just wondering if I need to do something special in order to make it accept print jobs from other computers.
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13:22<ErJeDi>you must need to configure the printer in gnome
13:22<mehul>chealer: thanks.
13:22<ErJeDi>what is your printer???
13:22<mehul>ErJeDi its a Epson Stylus all in one type printer.
13:23<ErJeDi>simply Desktop preferences
13:23<isuckatlinux>the-dude i paste it pastebin.com
13:23<ErJeDi>and printers
13:23<ErJeDi>and configure a printer to use with cupsd :)
13:23<mehul>ok
13:23<ErJeDi>i have an epson stylus dx4000 working properly
13:23<ErJeDi>scanner and printer
13:24<ErJeDi>for the scanne you must need xsane and sane
13:24<ErJeDi>and the sane-backend for your multifunction printer
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13:25<mehul>ErJeDi: awesome ! thanks for the info.
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13:26<fxiny>isuckatlinux: where the symlink points to libjavaplugin_oji.so ? what about pluginreg.dat down your ~/.mozilla dir ?
13:27<ErJeDi>hi fxiny
13:27<isuckatlinux>points to where i have the java installed /opt/jre1.6 .0_02/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
13:27<fxiny>ErJeDi: hi
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13:28<the-dude>isuckatlinux, how about apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
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13:28<fxiny>isuckatlinux: what path in pluginreg.dat ?
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13:28<isuckatlinux>fxiny, working on it
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13:29<fxiny>isuckatlinux: sometimes old mozilla dot mess things up : you can edit that file
13:30<the-dude>pluginreg.dat the first line contains " Generated File. Do not edit."
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13:30<fxiny>i 'm so lazy i keep around in /usr/lib : mozilla . firefoz and iceweasel . i do some archeo debian stage :P
13:31<fxiny>but all works fine :)
13:31<ErJeDi>mehul: :) okay :)
13:31<isuckatlinux>fxiny i cat that file in my users home dir, i see the java everywhere but dont really know how to read that file
13:32<isuckatlinux>the-dude waiting for apt-get, still not showind download, i might need a new source for that package
13:32<isuckatlinux>packet
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13:32<fxiny>isuckatlinux: you should have a line like this : /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so:$ , mv out of the way and let iceweasel recreating it
13:32<the-dude>isuckatlinux, do a apt-cache search java plugin and see if you get a result
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13:34<kingsley>Does anyone here happen to know how to find out which package contains a certain symbol, so that it may be installed, and fix an "undefined symbol" error?
13:34<the_bull>nyway, hello again all
13:34<isuckatlinux>fxiny, is not there
13:34<the_bull>i hv a problem regarding net usage
13:34<the-dude>kingsley, tell us more
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13:34<the_bull>i can use my internet connection in my desktop but i cannot use it in my new laptop
13:34<the_bull>though, i hv put the right ip,gateway and dns names
13:34<fxiny>isuckatlinux: shutdown/restart icewilly : mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_old
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13:35<the_bull>is there nyone...who can help me with this net issue?
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13:35<the-dude>the_bull, what's the problem?
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13:36<the_bull>the-dude, i cannot use internet in my laptop... i am using debian etch there
13:36<the_bull>the-dude, though each and every numbers ( ip,gateway,dns) are ok
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13:37<the_bull>the-dude, i can ping ...but cannot use internet
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13:37<kingsley>the-dude: OK, I upgraded to the "experimental" version of the "gnumeric" on a computer that has other "unstable" packages. Now gnumeric reports "gnumeric: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgoffice-0.5.so.5: undefined symbol: pcre_compile2". It seems to me that I need to identify and install the package that contains the symbol "pcre_compile2".
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13:37<isuckatlinux>fxiny, working on it
13:37<lambertini>hello
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13:38<the-dude>the_bull, did you try using lynx for browsing?
13:38<lambertini>who from brazil?
13:38<the_bull>the-dude, ya... it don`t work
13:39<kingsley>the-dude: Does that make sense?
13:39<fxiny>lambertini: pele' is from brazil
13:39<fxiny>:)
13:39<lambertini>yes
13:39<lambertini>^^
13:39<the-dude>the_bull, tell me some more about the infrastructure?
13:39<lambertini>fxiny I´am from brazil
13:39<the-dude>wired wireless? router? proxy ?
13:40<JasonS>!br
13:40<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:40<isuckatlinux>fxiny, done, but im again in the same place, it doesnt request the plugin but the page is blank
13:40<the_bull>the-dude, wired broadband
13:41<the-dude>and the other machine is the router or just a client ?
13:41<isuckatlinux>but now the link is there
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13:41<isuckatlinux>in pluginreg
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13:42<fxiny>isuckatlinux: you said before something about permissions : who owns libjavaplugin_oji.so ? root.root ?
13:42<isuckatlinux>root users
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13:43<asil>hi to all
13:43<fxiny>users ? it should be root root
13:43<asil>any one wants to halp me for projects
13:43<isuckatlinux>i changed it to users
13:43<the-dude>fxiny, why? then normal users are not able too use it
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13:44<asil>my project related zigbee
13:44<asil>who know tht
13:44<asil>how can use asterisk in linuz
13:44<fxiny>the-dude: mine is rooot.root , from the old sarge java way (sarge2etch box) and it works
13:44<johnon>can i install bootloader GRUB on my floppy ?
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13:44<petemc>asil: asterisk has a steep learning curve
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13:45<asil>linux have ay compiler for compile java,
13:45<fxiny>johnon: yes
13:45<asil>ot.net
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13:45<SeanW727>Hey All.... I tried to login as root... and it says "The system administrator is not allowed to login from this screen" ... what should i do?
13:45<the-dude>fxiny, it can also work with root:users
13:45<johnon>fxiny:could do help me how to do it?
13:45<petemc>SeanW727: login as a user and use sudo or su
13:45<isuckatlinux>the-dude, fxiny, where can i see debug info about this
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13:45<asil>pete can we talk about
13:46<the-dude>start iceweasel in a terminal and see if it nags
13:46<asil>help me please
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13:46<asil>ok is asterisk licance free
13:46<petemc>yes
13:47<johnon>fxiny:i mean, not during the system installation process
13:47<asil>free ,so i dont pay any money ,that is open source
13:47<fxiny>johnon: you can do it right now . i did it on a couple of floppies , long ago : have your tried google ?
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13:47<asil>am i undestand wrong
13:48<petemc>you should read up on the gpl
13:48<fxiny>johnon: i mean . i can annoy people about this , and i should look for some old notes :)
13:48<the-dude>asil, yes
13:48<fxiny>johnon: gimme a sec
13:48<isuckatlinux>the-dude, it started normally, nothing there
13:49<the-dude>are you trying to use a java page?
13:49<isuckatlinux>i tried the java verification web
13:50<isuckatlinux>it just stays black wherever the apple is
13:50<asil>so,my project is make voip,i need to write a software likes asterisk,,,
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13:50<asil>just now i wont to need write
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13:50<asil>becuse it is free
13:51<asil>yuppii
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13:52<haseo>can anyone tell me where is the cedega chat room?
13:52<asil>anyone are there living canada
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13:58<isuckatlinux>ok i linked to the libjava under ns7-gcc29 and now it breaks
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13:59<_McFly__>bonsoir
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13:59<_McFly__>les g33k
14:00<_McFly__>:)
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14:03<isuckatlinux>well, thanks the-dude and fxiny for trying, I'll find out what the hell is wrong sooner or later
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14:12<gcc>what is the most recommendable software synthesizer in debian ?
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14:30<stoned>dunno
14:30<stoned>ask in #debian
14:30<n3x>lol
14:31<n3x>apparently you are "stoned "
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14:32<amphi>he has a trailing space? sinister...
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14:35<Althaser>lool
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14:42[~]piper is back.
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14:49<bartman>I just ran accorss this: http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=98
14:49<bartman>go vote Debian
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14:53[~]fxiny waits for a free drink
14:53<johnon>fxiny help:) :(
14:54<fxiny>johnon: can't find a crystall ball mate :)
14:54<johnon>fxiny: he he
14:55<fxiny>johnon: a valid mount point is just a dir , usually is or /mount or /media
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15:24<isuckatlinux>the-dude u still here?
15:25<amphi>the-dude abides
15:25<isuckatlinux>it turned out that i need library libstdc++.so.5
15:25<isuckatlinux>but i have libstdc++.so.6, soft link doesn't work
15:26<isuckatlinux>anyone knows where to find that shitty packet?
15:27<tcsetattr>uh, apt-get install libstdc++5 ?
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15:28<isuckatlinux>u got i man! thanks
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15:29<isuckatlinux>3 hours looking for the problem and thats all i needed, thanks what i love about linux.....
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15:31<ales>ahoj
15:31<isuckatlinux>yenj!
15:31<ales>hello
15:32<isuckatlinux>whats going on
15:32<ales>i need help in debian with mozzilla
15:32<ales>first time here
15:32<isuckatlinux>help with
15:33<ales> how can i use oldo mozilla( not iceweasel?
15:33<ErJeDi>suckatlinux need help?
15:34<isuckatlinux>i always need help, but in this case ales needs help with mozilla
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15:35<isuckatlinux>cant u get the old package from firefox and install it?
15:35<ErJeDi>ales: need help with firefox
15:35<ErJeDi>what is ur problem?
15:35<gonzaga>anybody know any program igual the YAST of SUSE for DEBIAN?
15:35<ales>i downloaded from mozilla.sk obne...but cant install it and use
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15:36<ErJeDi>ales: use iceweasel from the packages of debian
15:36<ErJeDi>it's a firefox with the name changed :)
15:36<isuckatlinux>why dont u like iceweasel
15:36<isuckatlinux>it's basically the same thing
15:36<ales>i doont like ice weasel.... because some pages dont look properly
15:36<ErJeDi>yeahh isuckatlinux
15:36<ErJeDi>:)
15:36<ErJeDi>look equal
15:36<ErJeDi>:)
15:37<ErJeDi>i don't understand you look equal i use iceweasel and work better than the firefox
15:37<gonzaga>anybody know any program igual the YAST of SUSE for DEBIAN?
15:37<ales>yes they are equal but not so... plugings works correctly...
15:37<isuckatlinux>fix the pluggins
15:38<ales>but.... it is not problem with plugins
15:38<isuckatlinux>i just fixed f,..ing java
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15:38<ales>sometimes iceweasel goes frozen
15:38<ales>i have problem with javascript
15:38<isuckatlinux>well if u want to go that way get the source packet and compile it
15:39<ErJeDi>isuckatlinux: no needed to go to compile sources for firefox
15:39<ErJeDi>in the www.mozilla.com are the binaries for the firefox
15:39<ales>anytime says: libstdc++.so.5 is missing going to install it but : no packages found
15:39<ErJeDi>but is some difficult to install
15:39<ales>yes i downloaded
15:40<isuckatlinux>ok ErJeDi you know more about it, help this guy out, leave it in ur hands........
15:40<ErJeDi>:D
15:40<niwt>I did apt-get install libstdc++.so.5 and it installed and fireofox worked after that
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15:41<niwt>I don't know if it's in main or contrib
15:41<gonzaga>I serch a YAST for Debina in URL = http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/pool/yast2/
15:42<ales>didnt found package
15:42<tcsetattr>we aren't suse users. maybe if you described yast, someone would know how to answer
15:42<ErJeDi>ales my query
15:42<ErJeDi>to solve your questions :)
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15:43<niwt>I'm having trouble with java browser plugin in lenny amd64. I got blackdown java 1.4.2, unpacked it, made symlinks in my browser plugin directories, restarted the browser, and it didn't work. Any ideas?
15:43<ErJeDi>(my two minutes of fame :P)
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15:44<isuckatlinux>yeah lot of ideas
15:44<niwt>lol, please share
15:45<isuckatlinux>apt-get install libstdc++5
15:45<isuckatlinux>then try it again
15:45<stroyan>ales: The file libstdc++.so.5 is in the package libstdc++5. You need to "apt-get install libstdc++5"
15:45<niwt>hm
15:45<ales>yes installing
15:45<niwt>ah
15:46<ErJeDi>!find libstdc++.so.5 etch
15:46<isuckatlinux>that was for u 2 niwt
15:46<isuckatlinux>libstdc++5 <<<< library of the day
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15:47<niwt>well, it installed, but it didn't help
15:47<niwt>still can't watch youtube
15:47<isuckatlinux>check the library u link to
15:47<ales>thanks for helping... .... another problems but i think i am enough skilled
15:47<niwt>and I know flash works on some vids
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15:47<isuckatlinux>and make sure its owned by root users
15:47<niwt>ok
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15:48<ales>i am root pernamently
15:48<isuckatlinux>niwt, close the browser open a terminal and execute the browser there
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15:49<isuckatlinux>load the java verification page and look at the output
15:49<niwt>rw-r-r root
15:49<isuckatlinux>what group
15:49<niwt>root
15:49<isuckatlinux>change it to root users
15:49<niwt>how do I load java verification page?
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15:50<niwt> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so [/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32]
15:50<isuckatlinux>google java verification suns
15:51<isuckatlinux>sounds like flash not java
15:51<ales>i love you people....thaaaaaaaanks
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15:51<niwt>hm, I installed flash with nspluginwrapper
15:51<tcsetattr>32/64 mismatch?
15:52<ErJeDi>ales
15:52<ErJeDi>heyy :)
15:53<niwt>ok, sun tells me to get a different version
15:54<isuckatlinux>there u go, get it
15:54<ales>thanks, good bye...see you
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15:55<niwt>yeah, I'm getting it
15:55<niwt>already tried this version, and there doesn't seem to be a plugin in it
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16:10<tbrock>hey guys is there a good guide out there for installing php on debian
16:10<tbrock>for apache2
16:11<seanius>tbrock: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5
16:11<tbrock>ok great, and then is there anything i need to do after that
16:11<tbrock>its already installed
16:12<chealer>tbrock: after that try using it
16:12<seanius>try putting <?php phpinfo(); ?> in a file and see if it works :)
16:12<tbrock>right ok let me try
16:12<tbrock>thanks for the help
16:12<seanius>it really oughtta work right out of the box
16:12<tbrock>I'll be right abck
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16:13<tbrock>hey yeah that worked, maybe its because my file doesn't have a .php at the end
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16:14<tbrock>yep that worked like a charm
16:14<tbrock>thank you seanius and chealer
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16:20<ardour_1d>hi there
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16:41<melio>!nvidia
16:41<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
16:41<melio>!nvidia one-liner
16:41<dpkg>rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
16:42<melio>oddity on how this is done
16:42<melio>"debian method"
16:42<melio>but I have nvidia working fine
16:42<melio>I just need to split the screens properly
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17:06<Melio>I'v tired like 19 differnt xorg.conf's
17:06<Melio>I'm starting to feel weak and depressed :(
17:07<Melio>lol
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17:07<simonrvn>so take a break, and come back to it later
17:07<Melio>I did
17:07[~]Elwyn hands Melio a mug of tea, a plate of sugar and suggests a moment to chill
17:07<Melio>I went to italian food w/ the wife
17:07<Melio>it was excellent
17:07|-|marco changed nick to Guest3040
17:07<Melio>then got a big craftsman tool box
17:08<Melio>needed one of those for my tools for like 20 years
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17:08<Mister>bonsoir tout le monde , hello every body
17:08<Melio>never had a truck to get it. now my wife has a big giant envoy with the roof that slides forward like a transformer
17:08<Melio>bon jour mister
17:08<Stuney>hi
17:08<Stuney>algum brasileiro ai?
17:08<Melio>hi Stuney
17:08<chealer>!tell Stuney about br
17:08<Melio>what's br?
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17:09<Melio>!tell melio about br
17:09<Stuney>Brazil
17:09<Melio>ohh brazila
17:09<chealer>!tell Melio about selftell
17:09<Guest3040>no "Brasil".. Brasilia is a city.. :-)
17:09<Melio>:)
17:09<Stuney>isto
17:09<Melio>ty
17:09<Stuney>a capital do pais
17:09<Melio>is anyone else familar with dual display w/ nvidia?
17:10<Melio>i'm going to be relentless
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17:10<chealer>Melio: did you try #nvidia?
17:10<Stuney>no
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17:10<Melio>chealer oddly enough I have not
17:10<Mister>Someone know how configure xorg.conf 'cause I've got an issue X doesn't work on my laptop ;-(
17:11<Melio>mister, oddly we're both in the same boat
17:11<Melio>:)
17:11<chealer>!drxx Mister
17:11<dpkg>Mister: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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17:11<tl>I'd suggest Knoppix - boot from the CD and if it works copy the config file
17:11<Mister>I've already tape this command
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17:11<Melio>tl not for dual display
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17:12<Mister>I tried all driver and ...
17:12<Mister>still issue
17:12<tl>oh...sorry
17:12<Mister>ati, vesa, fglx ...
17:12<Melio>i'm about to make the xorg.conf by hand
17:12<Mister>X doesn't work
17:12<marco__>problems with nvidia driver? that's new to me.. I thought they were always the best for Linux..
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17:13<Melio>marco, I have no issues with video, I simply can't get twinview to fire off
17:13<Mister>not nvidia, ATI
17:13<Melio>I want dual display
17:13<Mister>ATI RADEON XPRESS 1200 on a laptop
17:13<chealer>!tell Mister about doesn't work
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17:13<Melio>!nvidia
17:13<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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17:13<marco__>Melio, there is alot of documentation on the net regarding how to configure a dual monitor setup.. it's a lengthy process..
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17:13<Melio>marco it shouldnt be
17:14<petemc>its not too bad
17:14<Melio>lenghty like 2-3 hours? yeah that's acceptable
17:14<Melio>once setup it stays that way forever
17:14<Melio>it's been so long since i did this, I don't even remember what nvidia card I have
17:14<Melio>lol
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17:15<Melio>it's a later card tho. it did beryl fine
17:15<marco__>you might want to try dmesg
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17:17<piper>http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/nv-online/
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17:18<Melio>piper hold that thoght. no web access. in cli
17:18<Melio>lemme load up
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17:21<melio>midn reposting that link?
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17:22<piper>http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/nv-online/
17:22<melio>ty
17:22<piper>np
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17:22<melio>pier that owns
17:22<melio>piper, ty alot
17:22<piper>;)
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17:29<tl>hey, does anyone know how to retrieve a web page in a script file, that has javascript links in it?
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17:29<tl>FROM a script file, sorry
17:32<marco__>"man links" (try the -dump option)... or just use wget "man wget"
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17:36<rwp>javascript links are often used specifically to avoid automatic access such as by spammers to avoid mailto links being harvested.
17:36<Mister>Someone installed debian on a laptop with a ATI Xpress 1200 video card ?
17:37<tl>i was trying to get wget to do that, however the web page contains javascript links, which wget doesnt recognize
17:37<rwp>Style guides specifically call out using javascript for navigation as a bad practice. Unfortunately many sites still require javascript in spite of it being a bad thing for navigation.
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17:38<rwp>You may simply be out of luck. Or you may be able to write something yourself specifically for your case, such as recursing through the javascript manually. Yuck though.
17:39<rwp>Mister: The ATI x1200? No. Have installed on ATI x300 though. What problems are you seeing?
17:40<tl>hmmm...yep I'll probably end up doing that...I was wondering if someone has already figured out how to do it
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17:41<Mister>No it's an ATI Xpress 1200 and the issue is there is no driver existing
17:41<Mister>tail Xorg.0.log give (WW) ATI PCI mach64 in slot 1:5:0 could not be detected and (EE) No devices detected
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17:46<rwp>I probably can't help then. But what does 'lspci | grep VGA' say?
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17:47<Mister>one second I answer you ;)
17:47<rwp>My ATI x300 machine uses the "ati" wrapper driver which loads the "radeon" driver.
17:48<dli>ati sucks :( better to buy intel video cards (onboard)
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17:48<Inty>intel?
17:48<Inty>wtf
17:48<Inty>nVidia you mean
17:49<Mister>'lspci grep VGA' => 01:05.0 VGA compatble controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknow device 791f
17:49<rwp>Late breaking news: ATI is opening up their graphics driver specs right now. This is very good news for the FLOSS community. ATI may become the best available graphics very soon.
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17:49<Internat>no intel is probably what he meant
17:49<Internat>intel sis onboard cards
17:50<Mister>I've already tried ati, vesa, fglx and almost all driver and I've got the same issue X doesn't work
17:50<Mister>I just have the konsole
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17:51<dli>rwp, ati had been opening more than once, only left users hopeless
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17:51<dli>Mister, your hope is fglrx
17:52<rwp>They were only left hopeless with the newer closed drivers. The older open drivers worked fine and still work fine if you are using OLDER ati graphics.
17:52<dli>Mister, or the discontinued avivo driver
17:53<miksuh>or new open AMD/ATI drivers in the future :)
17:53<Mister>how do ?
17:53<miksuh>but not yet ofcourse :)
17:53<dli>rwp, no, they "opened" under NDA agreement to selected drivers, so those "open" drivers already receive no updates
17:54<Mister>my laptop is new, i'm desperate :-(
17:54<dli>Mister, read fglrx howto first
17:54<Mister>I already tried with fglrx
17:54<Mister>I"ve got a same issue
17:54<dli>Mister, you may have to wait for the new release amd promised in next week
17:54<rwp>dli, open under NDA is not truly open nor free.
17:55<Mister>is there no solution before next week ?
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17:56<dli>rwp, that's why I said, better to buy intel, instead of being played by AMD's PR traps
17:56<dli>Mister, try avivo: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=avivo/xf86-video-avivo.git
17:56<dli>Mister, maybe, you can get 2D support by avivo
17:56<rwp>Mister: Google did not turn up anything for me when I looked just now. But "vesa" should be usable in a lower resolution. You said you tried it and it did not work?
17:57<dli>rwp, no, vesa is useless on many ati cards
17:57<rwp>dli, People I respect have indicated to me that the offering going through now is truly open and free. I choose to believe them until I learn otherwise.
17:57<Mister>vesa doen't work
17:58<miksuh>rwdyep, I have understood also that AMD is really opening the drivers
17:58<miksuh>rwp
17:59<Mister>with VESA ==> FATAL server error ;
17:59<dli>rwp, amd promised to release specifications by end of this year, it takes them months to simply release the docs, that tells a lot already
17:59<miksuh>Mister: if vesa does not work then there is really something weird in your syste,m
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18:00<Mister>noscreens found EE VESA(0): No matching modes and EE Screnn(s) found, but none have a usable confdiguration
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18:00<dli>miksuh, not unusual for ati cards
18:00<rwp>Mister, guess here, if framebuffer is enabled try it disabled. I have seen that be a problem.
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18:01<philmore>hey can anyone tell me why my cgi wont work on debian
18:01<Mister>framebuffer is not used
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18:02<need>how can i play a asf file?
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18:02<Mister>how DL video avivo where the link for DL ?
18:02<dli>need, try mplayer (with win32codecs)
18:03<need>hmm okay
18:03<dli>Mister, if you have no idea how to use it, probably you couldn't :( you have to build from source
18:03<miksuh>philmore: just cgi does not tell much. What language you use etc
18:03<philmore>i guess its perl also
18:03<rwp>Mister, What kernel are you running? uname -rm
18:04<philmore>the actual script just shows up when i view it in a page
18:04<miksuh>then you probably have not installed apache module, or it is not in use
18:04<Mister>2.6.18-4-amd64 x86_64
18:04<philmore>apache is installed
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18:05<miksuh>but is perl apache module installed?
18:05<miksuh>(if it's perl script)
18:05<rwp>Mister, last guess from me would be to try the latest Sid kernel. Last time I tried this a couple of weeks ago it was still possible to install just the kernel without pulling in more from unstable.
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18:05<philmore>uh how would i check that
18:06<miksuh>eg. libapache2-mod-perl
18:06<tcsetattr>apache's mod_perl is a completely different thing from CGI
18:06<rwp>Mister, be careful when mixing stable and unstable tracks. If you are comfortable then living on Sid/Unstable is often good. But if not then people sometimes get in over their head with problems.
18:06<miksuh>if you use apache2, you need to install that package
18:06<miksuh>ah
18:06<miksuh>sorry
18:06<miksuh>yeah
18:07<miksuh>it weas cgi
18:07<tcsetattr>CGI is language-independent
18:07<miksuh>true
18:07<need>oh i found a package with some instructions :) and i do own windows so i think im okay
18:07<miksuh>but anyway apache neds to know how to show perl
18:07<Mister>Should I be install another debian version such as x86 ? or 32bits ?
18:07<tcsetattr>the vast majority of asf movies can be played by mplayer *without* the non-free w32codecs
18:08<dli>Mister, no, it doesn't matter here
18:08<dli>Mister, however, your card should be supported by fglrx
18:08<dli>!tell Mister about fglrx
18:08<rwp>Mister, only if the upcoming ATI driver is x86 only. Otherwise does not matter.
18:09<dli>Mister, x1200 supported by avivo also
18:09<philmore>miksuh: how would i install it?
18:09<tcsetattr>apache doesn't need to know anything about the language a CGI is written in. it just needs to have CGI enabled for the directory
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18:10<philmore>tc how would i enable it for the directory lol
18:11<need>im getting the essential codec pack is this correct for asf?
18:12<amphi>Catas: but why? and 'poultry'??
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18:12<tcsetattr>are you installing the debian mplayer, the debian-multimedia mplayer, or compiling your own?
18:13<need>well it looks like i already have win32 codecs
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18:13<need>i went to /usr/lib/win32
18:13<need>and there is all sorts of dll files and qtx files lol
18:13<tcsetattr>philmore, search in your apache2.conf for cgi - there's an AddHandler and an Option ExecCGI (or something like that)... there should be examples in there for you to follow
18:15<piper>on a different channel i get [19:10] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING request from Catas to channel #debian, sending answer
18:16<philmore>tc i love you
18:16<philmore>thanks :)
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18:24<need>okay so im reading this site correct me if im wrong i can take any dll codec file and place it onto my linux machine in the /usr/lib/win32 section and my system will use that codec??
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18:25<somae>I'm having a problem setting the password in /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd - I keep getting a bounce saying I'm not authorized - the smtp address is outgoing.yahoo.verizon.net but the help message with the bouce talks about smtp.mail.yahoo.com
18:25<need>also note im using a x86 machine
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18:28<piper>need: change this to stable and add it to your sources -> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main then apt-get update apt-get install libdvdcss2 w32codecs
18:28<piper>if that is what you are looking for
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18:29<need>aww k lemme check it out
18:30<piper>need: don't use sid like posted above
18:30<need>okay
18:31<piper>more here http://www.debian-multimedia.org/
18:31<need>k
18:32<need>piper i marked the w32 for update :)
18:32<need>14.3 mb downloading now
18:32<piper>marked ?
18:32<need>yep
18:33<need>im using dream linux its deb based
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18:33<need>so i went to the section and marked it for a update
18:33<need>this system looks sorta like mac's osx
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18:33<piper>need: hmm, that is also morpix /debian might break it not sure, check the dream linux forums first
18:34<need>oh sorry i use synaptic
18:34<piper>eek
18:34<need>:P
18:34<piper>ok i forgot this is stable
18:34<piper>:)
18:34<need>lol i hope so
18:34<patricio>Can someone give me some advice on making my wireless card do a 'ifup' at boot......anyone? I am running lenny...
18:34<piper>i know nothing of stable ;)
18:35<need>:) have u tried dream?
18:35<tcsetattr>if it's marked as auto in /etc/network/interfaces it should ifup at boot
18:35<patricio>one moment please.....let me look
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18:36<patricio>tcsetattr: this is what is there 'ifup wlan0 inet dhcp'...........and that is all
18:37<need>oh piper really good question i used dsl umm darn small linux <--- i prefer the other name well any how when i would browse the net it was really fast like one snap of the fingers and the pages were up now i use dream and the pages are a lot slower why might this be?
18:37<craigevil>!debian-based
18:37<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has less people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:37<tcsetattr>put "auto wlan0"
18:38<patricio>gonna try it......brb rebooting
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18:39<piper>need: maybe* IPV6 not sure, havent used any of those in a long time
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18:39<need>aww
18:41<piper>need: you can try adding this to * etc/modprobe.d/aliases > alias net-pf-10 ipv6 off > alias net-pf-10 off > alias ipv6 off > then removing the line > alias net-pf-10 ipv6
18:42<need>:)
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18:43<isuckatlinux>anyone has any ideas why I cant see the windows frame when using beryl?
18:43<azeem>because beryl has bugs, probably
18:44<ilikeTurtles>what am i missing if hping is giving this error [main] physical layer header size unknown
18:44<EricB>isuckatlinux you don't have a window decorator enabled
18:44<isuckatlinux>yup, i do
18:44<need>http://www.pastebin.ca/687793 <--- piper
18:44<isuckatlinux>well its marked in the diamond
18:45<EricB>isuckatlinux nvidia?
18:45<isuckatlinux>yes sir
18:45<EricB>check the nvidia section on the beryl wiki
18:45<isuckatlinux>it worked with the old nvidia this one is giving me trouble
18:45<EricB>there are a few things you can change, I had the same problem
18:46<piper>need: comment out the ones i listed and see if it helps, if not, uncomment
18:46<isuckatlinux>I add all the bs to my xorg.conf, but i will double check just in case, right now is just that emerald theme doesnt load the themes
18:46<isuckatlinux>even if i reload them
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18:46<need>:)
18:46<need>#
18:47<piper>ja
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18:47<piper>yes
18:47<piper>need: might not do anything but worth a try
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18:48<need>yep im checking it out right now hope its good aww man forgot to sudo it
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18:50<ilikeTurtles>what am i missing if hping is giving this error [main] physical layer header size unknown
18:51<patricio>tcsetattr: I tried that 'auto wlan0' several different ways and never could get it right......what is the exact line that I should have in the 'interfaces' file to make the wireless card search for the dhcp server and obtain an IP addy at boot?
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18:52<tcsetattr>"auto wlan0" on one line. "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" on the next line.
18:53<tcsetattr>and that's assuming you've got all the wireless parameters set up right
18:53<patricio>tcsetattr: thank you so much......will make the change and try it out.......'wished you hadn't said that.....lol'
18:53<patricio>brb
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18:57<need>ill have to take a look at the dsl distro and see how things are set up and then move the aliases like theres maybe that might work :) aright guys thank you so much im glad there is a irc channel that can help
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19:05<patricio>tcsetattr: At boot time, I can see the wlan0 signal being sent, and it does issue an IP addy. After I login, I do a 'ifconfig' and an IP addy is not issued, 'cannot surf' and I do a 'ifup wlan0' and it tells me it is already configured, I have to do a 'ifdown and then a ifup wlan0' to get connected. What am I missing?
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19:08<isuckatlinux>damn man, u were right, it seems that i forgot to add all the stuff after i installed the new nvidia driver
19:09<tcsetattr>stumped me, patricio
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19:11<patricio>hhhhmmmmm
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19:13<patricio>Does anyone have any advice for this issue? At boot time, I can see the wlan0 signal being sent, and it does issue an IP addy. After I login, I do a 'ifconfig' and an IP addy is not issued, 'cannot surf' and I do a 'ifup wlan0' and it tells me it is already configured, I have to do a 'ifdown and then a ifup wlan0' to get connected. What am I missing?
19:14<azeem>patricio: what does iwconfig say when it's not connected?
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19:14<patricio>azeem: well I would have to disconnect to find that out.....
19:14<azeem>patricio: right now you're connected?
19:15<tcsetattr>sounds like maybe the wireless low-level stuff hasn't finished setting itself up before the dhcp client starts
19:15<patricio>azeem: yes I am.....I have to do 'ifup' on wlan0 to get connected....
19:15<azeem>patricio: if you're happy with the status quo, don't change anything
19:15<patricio>tcsetattr: low-level stuff?
19:16<tcsetattr>using WPA?
19:16<patricio>azeem: I am not though.....I would prefer that my wireless card auto detects the dhcp server so I dont have to fool with it
19:16<patricio>tcsetattr: no
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19:17<azeem>patricio: one step to that would be to debug the state after loing
19:17<azeem>login*
19:17<azeem>the iwconfig output would be useful there
19:17<azeem>patricio: how is your wlan secured?
19:17<tcsetattr>it would also be interesting to know if the dhcp client is still running as a daemon
19:17<patricio>azeem: I am here at home....I do not use WEP or WPA here........kids and all....
19:18<azeem>patricio: you could at least check your log files
19:19<tcsetattr>oh, and which dhcp client are you using (version 2 or 3?)
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19:20<patricio>tcsetattr: I am sorry.....the dhcp server is from a simple router.....
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19:20<tcsetattr>I didn't ask about the server
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19:21<patricio>you talking here on my machine?
19:21<tcsetattr>no, I wanna know what dhcp client is in somebody else's machine, that'll help
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19:22<azeem>patricio: yes
19:22<patricio>tcsetattr: I apologize......I ran a 'apt-cache policy dhcp' and it tells me that 'none' is installed
19:23<tcsetattr>dpkg -l 'dh*client'
19:23<dpkg>ii 'dh*client' 3.5-15.2 tcsetattr's private porn collection
19:23<tcsetattr>shut up, b0t.
19:23<Ouroboros>i just rebooted my machine and i am getting "this is not a bootable disk" from the BIOS... i am assuming this means that the grub bootloader got corrupted... how should i go about fixing it?
19:24<patricio>3.0.6-1
19:24<patricio>is that what you wanted to know?
19:24<tcsetattr>that would be dhcp3-client then
19:24<patricio>is that the problem?
19:25<tcsetattr>usually dhcp3-client is the one that works :)
19:25<patricio>ah
19:25<patricio>it works fine when I login and open a terminal window and run a 'ifup wlan0'
19:26<patricio>just want it to 'ifup' at boot so I dont have to do it everytime
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19:28<Ouroboros>hm, or is there error "this is not a bootable disk" already from grub?
19:28<zobel>!lists
19:28<zobel>!list
19:28<dpkg>one warez list being sent to zobel
19:28<azeem>patricio: do you have "auto wlan0" in /etc/network/interfaces?
19:29<fsateler>I'm having some trouble with vim modelines: there is a vim:syntax=python, but vim loads the file as filetype "conf"
19:29<patricio>azeem: yes I do......gives thanks to tcsetattr on that one
19:29<fsateler>is there an option I need to set to actually read the modeline?
19:29<azeem>patricio: how do you know an IP is issued at boot time?
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19:30<zobel>dpkg: lists is lists.debian.org, which is currently down
19:30<patricio>azeem: I see it on the screen.....but after I login.....I have to do a 'ifdown and then an ifup' to surf or connect....
19:30<azeem>zobel: no need to update the factoid database for temporary stuff
19:30<azeem>I can put it in the /topic, though
19:30<zobel>dpkg: lists is lists.debian.org
19:31<zobel>azeem: that doesn't seem to work either...
19:31<zobel>dpkg, lists is lists.debian.org
19:32<dondelelcaro>that's really wierd. It hadn't loaded Factoid.pl for some reason
19:32<dondelelcaro>list
19:32<dondelelcaro>lists
19:32<dondelelcaro>!lists
19:32<zobel>dpkg: lists is lists.debian.org
19:32<dondelelcaro>dpkg: no, lists is <reply> lists.debian.org
19:32<dpkg>okay, dondelelcaro
19:33<dondelelcaro>dpkg: lists
19:33<dondelelcaro>dpkg: foo
19:33<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092.
19:33<dondelelcaro>dpkg: \lists
19:33<fsateler>found it: I need to set ml on vimrc (it is supposed to be on by default, though)
19:34<azeem>fsateler: there was a recent policy change in Debian about vim modules I think
19:34<patricio>azeem: I see it on the screen.....but after I login.....I have to do a 'ifdown and then an ifup' to surf or connect....
19:35<tcsetattr>you see what on the screen?
19:36<fsateler>azeem: I see on NEWS.Debian, but it mentions only vim addons
19:36<fsateler>modelines are addons?
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19:39<fsateler>azeem: found it in the changelog, it was introduced in 1:7.1-022+1
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19:52<Ouroboros>can i use the debian installer cd to restore the grub bootsector on a mdraid raid-1 setup?
19:53<gsimmons>!rescue mode
19:53<dpkg>Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. More steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto
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19:54<Ouroboros>thanks
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19:56<haseo_>hello, ive been trying to set up a chroot but when i do dchroot apt-get update i get this error message and dont understand what it means >>E: /etc/dchroot.conf: [/srv/chroots/sid-i386] location: line 1 [/srv/chroots/sid-i386]: Required key ‘location’ is missing<< help?
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19:56<Ouroboros>gsimmons: another question... any idea how this may have gotten corrupted in the first place?
19:57<brew>Hello, I was wondering if anyone has a good recommendation for a dyndns update client?
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19:58<Xenguy>brew: apt-cache search dyndns ?
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20:00<aingh>how do i burn a cd?
20:01<haseo_>aingh, put it on the stove and fire it :3
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20:02<aingh>thanks
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20:03<brew>Xenguy: ty, I will just get reviews on the listed packages.
20:03<haseo_>aingh, KDE use K3b, GNOME uses nautilius :P and who knows what you using? maybe XFCE? fluxbox? O.o, the shell??
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20:15<christopher>I just installed Kubuntu, how do I get compiz-fusion?
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20:17<streuner>wrong network
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20:23<ameyer>Ubuntu: Linux for idiots
20:23<piper>african word for can't install debian
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20:23<aslag>my netinstall hangs at "retrieving file 145 of 145," it's not downloading any packages (I checked traffic on my gateway), it's not using any processing power, and it's not using the harddisk. I previously ran the setup program and installed everything ok, the only difference this time is I deselected "Desktop environment" in pkgsel b/c debian's too dumb to set up Xorg for my thinkpad on its own AND it installs gdm. blech. anyway, what's going on with the insta
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20:24<Xenguy>brew: yw, judge them for yourself too :-)
20:25<Brudus>Help, I'm trying to get pictures off a camera. I thought it would just come up as if you were to plug in a thumb drive, but it doesn't. I get a prompt asking me if I would like to import the photos. I press yes but nothing happens.
20:26<rwp>aslag, run tasksel in test mode and then run the command manually, with errors hopefully visible now. Don't use debconf-apt-progress, remove it, just run aptitude. Use: tasksel -t
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20:27<aslag>rwp: ok, thanks
20:28<rwp>aslag, the end command will be something like aptitude -q --without-recommends -y install '~t^desktop$' '~t^gnome-desktop$'
20:28<rwp>I think the debconf-apt-progress wrapper is probably eating an error message from aptitude. I hope anyway.
20:30<aslag>rwp: so am I going to skip debconf too, or just terminate it before it normally runs pkgsel and run tasksel at that point?
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20:31<rwp>aslag: Not quite in sync. You ran the resulting tasksel generated aptitude command and then it went into debconf questions? That would be pretty normal. Answer as you would normally.
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20:33<rwp>aslag: Or am I lost because you are trying to install over the net for the first time? And you don't yet have a system yet? Sorry. I was thinking you were installing things after already having a system. My bad.
20:33<aslag>rwp: sorry, I'm not sure what debian's install program does and what other deb-specific programs it uses. I just saw that it seemed to have hung itself and ran ps from another console; it looked like it was running "pkgsel" ...
20:33<aslag>rwp: oh, no problem
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20:34<rwp>aslag: At the installer screen use ALT-F1, ALT-F2, etc. to walk around the other screens. Usually there are messages on one of the others. I forget which. Hopefully a clue to what is happening there.
20:34<aslag>rwp: yeah, I'm using a flashdrive with the netinstall image; I have already compiled a kernel for this box, I just need debian base system stuff and I'm going to compile Xorg, etc. myself
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20:37<n3x>is there a way to WATCH someone as there on SSH, what commands they issues and such..
20:37<aslag>rwp: I just gave up on gentoo for this new notebook: I've been using gentoo for years but it's just too much of a hassle to compile everything even with distcc.
20:38<streuner>ameyer: idiots would imply its easy to install...
20:38<Xenguy>n3x: apt-cache search snoop ?
20:38<rwp>aslag: If you have chosen a mirror closer to you then you might want to rotate to a different mirror. I have seen bad mirror depot cause issues. Frequently the problem will go away in a few hours when the mirror sync's again.
20:38<aslag>rwp: oh, ok
20:39<aslag>rwp: btw, it looks like that console with install program output is F5
20:39<rwp>F5 gotcha!
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20:40<Xenguy>n3x: and there's also ~/.bash_history :-)
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20:40<n3x>damn you guys are fucking sweet
20:41<Xenguy>hehe
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20:42<aslag>rwp: err F4
20:43<rwp>aslag: Anything that looks like a pointer to a problem?
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20:44<aslag>rwp: not yet; I restarted the system and started the program anew with different package selection options -- it's still grabbing basic packages
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20:46<rwp>aslag, my personal preference is to only install the base system (about 89 pkgs) and after the system is up and running then select and install everything else. YMMV.
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20:50<aslag>rwp: that sounds like a good policy. It looks like the system didn't have a problem installing just those packages so I should be good. Where can I find a listing of packages in the category "laptop"? I'm interested to see if there's anything specific for my notebook in there that would otherwise be a pain to build or install
20:50<n3x>guys
20:50<n3x>there isnt a app that will allow you to view
20:50<n3x>people connected ssh to that box and see what commands ?
20:51<tcsetattr>it's generally considered rude to spy on your users.
20:51<rwp>aslag: gets back to the 'tasksel' command. Run it and it will pick up the tagged groups of packages. The -t option is test only.
20:53<n3x>tcsetattr, my part owner of this box wants to let his so called "pro user of linux" use root, so i wanna make sure he dosnt do anything stupid
20:53<rwp>aslag: The laptop bundle (from tasksel -t output): aptitude -q --without-recommends -y install '~t^laptop$'
20:53<tcsetattr>system administrators (at least theoretically) feel some obligation to respect the privacy of the users, and don't use the power of being root to read other people's files, without a good reason
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20:53<rwp>aslag: The ~ says that the package to install is a search pattern and in this case matches the tagged group ^laptop$
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20:55<n3x>you fool
20:55<n3x>he is using ROOT to "look around"
20:55<aslag>hahaha "you fool" haha!
20:55<tcsetattr>if you _want_ to leave a record of your login session for someone else to read, you can use script(1), or even do it real-time with screen(1)
20:56<n3x>how when he logs in ?
20:56<n3x>via PUTTY - SSH
20:56<n3x>ROOT
20:56<tcsetattr>if you're talking about 2 people with root access going to war, then that's a fun game but don't expect it to follow any sane rules :)
20:57<aslag>tcsetattr: yeah dude, don't be a dumbass. you can't seriously be withholding the name of a program or something from n3x because you think he can't have a legitimate reason to use it, can you? that presupposes a lot.
20:57<streuner>haha
20:57<streuner>(fun)
20:57<ameyer>if someone's rooted you, i suggest (WARNING: DELETES EVERYTHING) rm -rf / (WARNING: DELETES EVERYTHING)
20:58<ameyer>also requires root access for the proper effect
20:59<n3x>so there is no app ? or anythign to watch what there doing while in ssh ?
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21:00<tcsetattr>you can't let someone be root and still expect to have any control. it's dumb.
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21:01<aslag>tcsetattr: your mistake here is much like one I found recently when looking for a dictionary for john the ripper to use on a box I administer ... retards on forums, etc. refused to give out dictionary files to people claiming to want them for legit purposes because they thought it'd keep malicious cracking from occurring EVEN THOUGH john is freely available for sysadmins doing exactly what these people claimed to be doing. It's lame to think you know enough to
21:01<bzed>aslag: google helps you with that problem
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21:02<bzed>aslag: also with some scripting you can use the normal dict dictionaries
21:02<bzed>google for wordlists
21:02<aslag>bzed: right, right I solved the problem by creating my own dictionary weeks ago, this is an example; thanks anyway
21:02<tcsetattr>way to overflow the irc buffer, aslag. I don't have enough time to read that novel you just wrote.
21:02<aslag>tcsetattr: HAHA! it takes you a non-trivial amount of time to read 5 lines in IRC? HA!
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21:03<aslag>tcsetattr: ... and you use admitting it as a comeback of sorts? seriously, this is rich
21:03<tcsetattr>no, it was so long it literally got truncated on the way.
21:03<tcsetattr>unless you got tired in the middle of a sentence and stopped.
21:04<aslag>(I forgot the trailing period; whoops.)
21:04<dotCOMmie>aslag: it ended at: It's lame to think you know enough to
21:04<aslag>ah ... "dispense advice like this."
21:04<tcsetattr>I don't know what "mistake" you think I'm making. I gave n3x a couple of hints on how to see a record, or do a live simultaneous viewing, of someone else's login session
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21:05<tcsetattr>and I also told him that if the other person is root and not willing to cooperate, the whole thing is pointless.
21:05<tcsetattr>which part of that do you think is wrong?
21:05<n3x>how do i simultaneous view there tty session ?
21:05<tcsetattr>or was I wrong to point out the ethical concerns with reading other people's private data without their knowledge?
21:05<n3x>its not PRIVATE DATA
21:05<n3x>i told you
21:05<miksuh>n3x: you could create user who has restricted sudo rights. I DON'T mean anything like in ubuntu. i mean that you could give user right to run just some of the commands which need root access
21:06<tcsetattr>you complain too much, and you didn't read the references I gave you.
21:06<aslag>this statement "system administrators (at least theoretically) feel some obligation to respect the privacy of the users, and don't use the power of being root to read other people's files, without a good reason" is the subject of my ridicule. it assumes quite a bit; erroneously at that.
21:06<n3x><tcsetattr> if you _want_ to leave a record of your login session for someone else to read, you can use script(1), or even do it real-time with screen(1)
21:06<n3x>HOW
21:07<tcsetattr>well, if you don't believe sysadmins should respect their users' privacy, I hope you don't have root access on any machines with users.
21:07<tcsetattr>n3x has been fun but it's time for the /ignore now.
21:07<bzed>lol n3x
21:07<bzed>HOW? read the manpages.
21:07<n3x>oh
21:07<miksuh>n3x: ubuntu way to use sudo is stupid, but you can use sudo if you want to create user who can do some of the things which root can but not all
21:07<n3x>really ow ?
21:07<n3x>so MAN
21:07<n3x>is gonna show me how to use screen
21:08<n3x>to spy on another use loging into root ?
21:08<aslag>tcsetattr: HAHA! I'm not disagreeing with that principle you dolt, who would!?? the fact that that was your pompous, "I know enough about your shit to give you advice instead of an answer to your question" response to n3x is what I questioned ..
21:08<n3x>fucking idiot
21:08<n3x>shut up
21:08<Xenguy>n3x: screen is a good first exersize if you like CLI
21:08<aslag>seriously, tcsetattr, you gave the "I'm an irc master with a light saber and you're a n00b" response ...
21:09<Xenguy>n3x: ummm, chill, OK?
21:09<n3x>aslag he is always like that
21:09<tcsetattr>the principle of user privacy is, I hypothesize, the REASON why there is no ssh-session-snooping tool in Debian.
21:09<bzed>well
21:09<n3x>i have ROOT ACCESS
21:09<n3x>if i wanted to VIEW THERE PRIVATE DATA
21:09<n3x>i could
21:09<tcsetattr>surely such a tool exists but as it has few if any ethical uses, there's no reason for Debian to include it
21:09<n3x>i just wanna know WHAT COMMANDS HE IS DOING
21:10<bzed>the idiot goes to bed now, but not before adding n3x to his ignore list
21:10<dotCOMmie>n3x: install accounting
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21:10<tcsetattr>there's no reason to have ttysnoop either, but we do, so who knows.
21:10<aslag>tcsetattr: really, who are you, how old are you, what do you do, why do you think you're the shit, etc.? I'm stoked to get to know you: you're a fountain of comedy. Can we be friends? :)
21:10<n3x>ttysnoop sucks- keeps saying something about cant conenct to server
21:10<Xenguy>so this raises questions of sysadmin ethics...
21:11[~]bzed knows more than one machine where _all_ root activity and logins are logged to a remote system
21:11<bzed>that not unusual
21:11<dotCOMmie>tcsetattr: you are wrong. At times I have wanted to "hijack" a tty after I left some program running that I need access to but forgot to screen
21:12<streuner>bzed: why you are still awake anyway?
21:12<tcsetattr>that'd be "retty" you were looking for then
21:12<dotCOMmie>bzed: I hope there isn't too much compiling going on those machines d:
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21:13<bzed>streuner: because I've finally managed to build a d-i with a kernel that boots on a sunfire v880
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21:13<bzed>dotCOMmie: I hope you don't compile as root
21:13<streuner>!congratulate bzed
21:13<dpkg>Good show bzed, you did it!
21:14<bzed>*aww*
21:14<bzed>streuner: 2.6.23-rc4 or later works, in case you fall over such a nice box ;)
21:14<dotCOMmie>bzed: you said root and logins by logins I assume you mean non-root users
21:14<niwt>n3x: best way to know what commands he's using, while he's doing it, is to use a telephone.
21:14<bzed>dotCOMmie: no, I meant stuff which is under as root
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21:15<dotCOMmie>bzed: gotcha
21:15<bzed>dotCOMmie: *is done as root. I need to go to bed.....
21:15<bzed>n8n8
21:15<n3x>(9:36:58 PM) VeeSupport: he wants to check
21:15<n3x>(9:37:00 PM) VeeSupport: so gimme
21:15<n3x>(9:37:03 PM) VeeSupport: quit being a lil bitch
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21:15<n3x>(9:37:17 PM) VeeSupport: sotp quesitoning me
21:15<n3x>(9:37:19 PM) VeeSupport: gimme root
21:15<n3x>(9:38:19 PM) VeeSupport: HE WANTS
21:15<n3x>(9:38:20 PM) VeeSupport: TO COMPARE
21:15<n3x>(9:38:21 PM) VeeSupport: HIS SHIT
21:15<n3x>(9:38:22 PM) VeeSupport: TO YOUR SHIT
21:15<streuner>what a moron
21:16<n3x>nah
21:16<Xenguy>n3x: bye
21:16<n3x>tcsetattr needs to see
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21:16<tcsetattr>on the other hand, there's selinux, which might be able to log root activity and stop even root from interfering with the logging.
21:16<n3x>(9:30:59 PM) VeeSupport: i paid half the box (9:31:02 PM) VeeSupport: i get half ownership
21:16<dotCOMmie>n3x: stop spamming?
21:17<n3x>so see tcsetattr he wants to let someone use root, and then pulls the i paid half for this box
21:17<n3x>i just wanna make sure this fool dosnt fuck anything up
21:17<n3x>sorry everyone for the SPAM
21:17<niwt>if he wants to look at config files, use email
21:17<n3x>i dont know what he wanted to
21:17<n3x>he just said
21:17<n3x>if u dont give me root
21:17<n3x>i dont pay
21:18<niwt>sounds like a deal
21:18<n3x>so what choice do i have ? well maybe spy on him
21:18<dotCOMmie>someone has to explain to me, since when did IRC become the ethics police d:
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21:21<Xenguy>dotCOMmie: people choose what they care to listen to -- that's all
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21:35<marcelo>mmm como se instala compiz?
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21:40<Deltantor> how do i go about getting debian to let me set my screen resolution to 1280x960?
21:41<dli>Deltantor, what video card?
21:42<Deltantor>Its a radeon 9600se, Ive done 1280x960 with windows and debian let me do it in the past, but now the option just isnt there for 1280x960 anymore
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21:44<dli>!tell Deltantor about fglrx
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21:45<Deltantor>Im already using fglrx
21:46<fsateler>!es
21:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:04<bluntman225>ok, i have a program that I have configured to start at boot time, through an init.d script. My question, is can i configure this program to run as a user rather than root?
22:04<stroyan>bluntman225: Just have the script do an 'su' to the desired user.
22:05<bluntman225>is that still as secure as doing it as a reg user without su?
22:06<tcsetattr>you have some other mechanism in mind?
22:06<bluntman225>lol not really
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22:07<niwt>if it can start a little later than boot, you could start it from your bashrc
22:07<bluntman225>right, but its a headless box...is it possible to have a user auto login at boot insted of giving you a login prompt?
22:08<niwt>maybe
22:08<tcsetattr>su user -c 'some command' is really the standard way to do this, if the command itself doesn't have a command line option or configuration file item to switch users.
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22:08<bluntman225>yea you have to specifiy a configuration script
22:09<bluntman225>when you envoke the program
22:11<aslag>lame. why is evolution required to install gnome? I hate evolution.
22:11[~]ricky is currently using Mutt :)
22:11<bluntman225>any of you guys use torrnetflux?
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22:12<tl>hey does anyone know a command in linux that will produce the alphabet sequence - A B C D .. Z ?
22:12<mikegrb>echo A B C D .. Z
22:12[~]mikegrb runs
22:12<tl>;)
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22:15<tcsetattr>jot -c 26 65
22:15<bluntman225>so is it possible to automatcly login a user at boot time?
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22:15<tcsetattr>perl -e 'print "@{[A..Z]}"'
22:16<stroyan>bluntman225: What do you want a user logged into on a headless system? A tty?
22:17<piper>n8
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22:18<bluntman225>no i want to start a server that runs on the intnernet, currently its running as root, and i feel this is inscure
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22:19<bluntman225>if i could have it run as nobody or my user then i would feel alot safer
22:19<stroyan>bluntman225: A server isn't really logged in at all. It is just running as some user. Start it with su and that should be fine.
22:19<bluntman225>k
22:19<tcsetattr>do you have some kind of objection to su user -c 'command' which you've been told to do?
22:20<bluntman225>oh ok, i thought that woudlnt work sence the command takes arguments
22:20<isuckatlinux>whats the default pass that debian use for sudo? i dont know my own password, isnt that cool
22:20<bluntman225>can i run it under an account that dosent have a shell?
22:21<isuckatlinux>i dont see any problems as long as it doesnt require libs owned by root
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22:22<bluntman225>yea i just wanted to see if i could do it like apache does, and run under user nobody
22:22<stroyan>Not having a shell could be a problem for su. It runs a -c command with the shell from the users's /etc/passwd entry.
22:23<tcsetattr>but there's a -s option to force a different shell, I see
22:23<stroyan>tcsetattr: Yep. That should be fine.
22:23<tcsetattr>on my system, "nobody" has /bin/sh as shell in his passwd entry.
22:23<bluntman225>so if my server gets exploited, i dont want the attacker to drop into a shell
22:23<tcsetattr>exploits generally don't depend on having a working shell in the passwd file :)
22:24<bluntman225>ooh lol
22:24<stroyan>The -s option works fine for me with an account that has /bin/false as its shell.
22:24<isuckatlinux>well but exploit carry the code in the payload
22:24<isuckatlinux>thats a different thing
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22:25<isuckatlinux>what kind of server is that
22:25<bluntman225>so the most secure way to do it would be: su nobody -s -c "command"
22:26<tcsetattr>you didn't read the man page to see the correct syntax for the -s option, did you
22:26<bluntman225>lol i will in a sec
22:26<stroyan>The -s option wants a shell argument su nobody -s /bin/bash -c "command"
22:27<bluntman225>oh i see
22:27<tcsetattr>looks like Debian's init scripts mostly use "start-stop-daemon --chuid" for switching to another user. that's Debian-specific stuff though. su is general unix (although I'm not sure about the portability of su -s)
22:28<bluntman225>oh yea, that looks like exactly what i need then...
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22:29<bluntman225>but im writing my own init script so lol
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22:29<stroyan>bluntman225: If you want to exercise your paranoia some more you could use chroot to further reduce the risk of an exploit getting at important things.
22:29<tcsetattr>you can really see the reversal of aesthetics there... traditional unix: su. two letters. not many options. Debian's New Bloated Way: start-stop-daemon. 15 letters and 2 hyphens! and double-dashed long options.
22:30<bluntman225>im going with the su
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22:31<tcsetattr>you've been talking way too long about something that should have taken you about 30 seconds to do, after the first time we said su user -c command
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22:32<isuckatlinux>lol
22:32<bluntman225>yea but chroot has me interested now lol
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22:36<stroyan>bluntman225: After that you can go on to virtual machines like kvm or xen. This thing can be so secure you never finish setting it up. :-)
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22:39<stroyan>The achille's heel of chroot is that a root escalation inside the chroot can create a device file and break out. A VM makes that much harder. The SELinux and AppArmor tools also address that.
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22:40<bluntman225>yea
22:40<bluntman225>i wonder if people will goto all that trouble for one lousy fileserver
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22:41<isuckatlinux>what is a VM
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22:42<JamesBlond>Hi
22:43<stroyan>A VM is a virtual machine. All accesses to hardware are handled by 'hypervisor software'. It is a great way to spend/waste performance and RAM.
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22:46<JamesBlond>Hi stroyan
22:46<stroyan>Hi James
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22:46<JamesBlond>ever heard about ascent or antrix?
22:46<mattg>figured out my password deal
22:46<bluntman225>ok user nobody in my /etc/passwd has this:
22:46<bluntman225>nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh
22:47<bluntman225>would it hurt things to change /bin/sh to /bin/false
22:47<mattg>yes, bluntman255. don't know how, but yes
22:47<mattg>lol
22:47<bluntman225>ah nevermind
22:48<bluntman225>thanks for the help dudez
22:48<stroyan>bluntman225: It might hurt. That would depend on how nobody was used. Using it with 'su -c command' comes to mind right away. '-)
22:48<mattg>anytime you don't need it, bluntman255
22:48<JamesBlond>has anyone heard about Antrix or Ascent WoW emu??
22:49<mattg>JamesBlond...search the goog
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22:49<JamesBlond>i allready found but cant install it right, so i though anyone know about the emu and can help me
22:50<FatCatMatt>i'll do some research for ya, JamesBlond
22:50<JamesBlond>really? cool thanks
22:51<FatCatMatt>JamesBlond, i take it u wanna play WoW?
22:51<JamesBlond>yes on my own server to test some things
22:52<JamesBlond>some T6 sets etc :O
22:52<FatCatMatt>ahh...i'll see what i can come up with. have you tried wine yet?
22:52<JamesBlond>ehm it should work without whine im working with a
22:52<JamesBlond>guide
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22:53<JamesBlond>ill paste the guide, because the forum is closed
22:53<FatCatMatt>JamesBlond, I was gonna say here's this: http://phun-ky.net/2007/08/wow-and-ubuntu-howto
22:53<JamesBlond>http://pastebin.com/m33c1bbf7
22:53<bluntman225>crap that su thing didnt wokr
22:53<FatCatMatt>sudo?
22:53<JamesBlond>ahh no
22:53<JamesBlond>u dont understand it right :O
22:54<FatCatMatt>bluntman225 you mean sudo or su for switch user?
22:54<JamesBlond>i wont play wow i want to make my own server to test and play alpne
22:54<JamesBlond>want*
22:54<FatCatMatt>ahh, jamesblond
22:54<bluntman225>im trying to use su -c "command" for a script at boot time so my program dosent run as root
22:55<JamesBlond>im trying to work with this guide http://pastebin.com/m33c1bbf7 but dont work. i gont debian 3.1 sarge
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22:55<FatCatMatt>bluntman225, su doesn't work in ubuntu. it's sudo
22:55<stroyan>bluntman225: Did your script not start? Or did it run into a permissions problem?
22:55<JamesBlond>FatCatMatt may i privmsg u for a second?
22:56<FatCatMatt>yes, jamesblond
22:56<bluntman225>stroyan: i didnt start
22:56<bluntman225>how can i tell though, i cant see any output of course
22:57<stroyan>bluntman225: You changed an init.d script to use su when invoking a command that it normally invoked? or something else?
22:58<bluntman225>stroyan: its a script that i wrote to call a program. the progarm is a python script. i used it as an init.d script so it would start at boot for convience
22:58<tcsetattr>the obvious next question is... does the user you're su'ing to actually have permission to _run_ the program?
22:59<tcsetattr>and why don't you have a boot log? blindly guessing why things fail is not good.
22:59<bluntman225>yes, the program is in his homefolder and i can run it with the user notmally
22:59<stroyan>So the init.d script was working. And you changed "mypythonscript" to "su nobody -c mypythonscript" ?
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23:00<lichti>hi
23:00<bluntman225>yes ecatly stroyan
23:01<stroyan>Running with su will reset the PATH to a very short /bin:/usr/bin . Perhaps you were depending on more in PATH.
23:01<bluntman225>well i changed it to "su acutaluser -c mypythonscript"
23:01<bluntman225>and i use explict path names
23:02<stroyan>You could also try the -p option to preserve environment.
23:03<stroyan>Are you rebooting, or just using "sudo /etc/init.d/myscript restart" ?
23:03<bluntman225>oooh i see dude
23:03<bluntman225>when i use mycommand start i get this
23:03<bluntman225>su: invalid option -- d
23:03<bluntman225>my script takes an argument and it uses -d
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23:04<tcsetattr>you need to quote the command and its arguments, it has to all be one string from su's point of view
23:04<bluntman225>oh ok
23:04<tcsetattr>su -c 'ls -d' will work, su -c ls -d won't.
23:05<bluntman225>single or double quotes?
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23:05<stroyan>tcsetattr: I was just typing exactly the same ls command. ;-)
23:05<tcsetattr>surely you know the difference between different types of quoting in a shell script...
23:06<tcsetattr>'' is best for a completely literal string with no variable expansions.
23:06<bluntman225>thanks man i appreactie it...mabey i should learn shell scripting
23:06<tcsetattr>in the simple case like "ls -d" it doesn't matter because there's no magical characters in there anyway.
23:07<bluntman225>o ok
23:07<bluntman225>so in this little script i wrote, i implmented a start and stop option...the start option works just fine but the stop, im haveing troubles getting it to stop. i want to be able to stop a certian PID but apprntly these things change...
23:07<niwt>pkill can kill by name
23:08<bluntman225>oo
23:08<stroyan>killing by name is scary....
23:08<niwt>can be, yeah
23:08<bluntman225>it is
23:09<bluntman225>how can i tell if my script is running as a use insted of root
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23:09<tcsetattr>that's one of the reasons Debian has that big start-stop-daemon with all its --superlong options... it can track the PID for you
23:09<tcsetattr>ps aux, look in the USER column
23:09<bluntman225>k
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23:10<bluntman225>i bet it would be a pain to implement that on a custom program eh tcsetattr
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23:15<tcsetattr>now why am I getting ECONNRESET instead of EOF on a unix domain socket when the client hangs up...
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23:17<gustavo> i have installed the debian etch and i made pt-get dist-upgrate to lenny, and after this, the gdm show big big fonts
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23:20<stroyan>gustavo: What is your graphics hardware? And what does xdpyinfo | grep resolution report?
23:21<pjustice>ftp.debian.org has only i386 and amd64 ports in etch; is this expected?
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23:23<stroyan>I have seen monstrously big fonts with intel i810 graphics and crazy resolution values read from hardware.
23:23<gustavo>stroyan: my hardware is hp compaq nx7400, display 15" wide
23:24<gustavo>yeah, my display card use the i810
23:24<bluntman225>if my process is a Pentinum II 350, should i use 386 or 686 processor
23:24<bluntman225>i mean Kernel
23:24<tcsetattr>pjustice, I don't know if it's expected (it sure surprised me) but it's been that way for a while. I suggest using a different mirror. (and not ftp.us.debian.org because it includes the same problem machine that causes trouble for ftp.debian.org)
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23:25<Dethray>Keep getting this "AC'97 0 does not respond - RESET" while trying to load my snd driver....its an es1968. I don't know but are both OSS and ALSA modules trying to load? Would blacklist work to remove the oss modules?
23:25<gustavo>resolution: 112x968 dots per inch
23:26<stroyan>gustavo: 968 dpi You must really be squinting ;-)
23:27<pjustice>ftp.mi.us.debian.org/ftp.us.debian.org/ftp.egr.msu.edu is (a) local to me; and (b) down for like a week now; they know it
23:27<tcsetattr>that's not the one I meant
23:28<pjustice>lots of sites not carrying e.g. s390, which is the one that triggered the question; one understands the choice made by each site, but surely there's a master?
23:28<tcsetattr>looks like they changed things. I was talking about 128.101.240.212 which used to be listed in both ftp.debian.org and ftp.us.debian.org
23:28<stroyan>gustavo: The resolution defect is written up as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10304 It is still open.
23:28<tcsetattr>of course there's ftp-master.debian.org but I don't think they want people using it who aren't running mirrors.
23:29<stroyan>gustavo: There is a proposed fix there as a source patch. It seems too specific to particular display hardware. I haven't tried it on my displays yet.
23:30<pjustice>yeah, no downloads from ftp-master
23:31<pjustice>any idea who to ask about ftp.debian.org?
23:33<bluntman225>using a 350 mhz Pentium II, would a i386 kernel be better than a 686?
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23:35<gustavo>stroyan: thanks
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23:35<gustavo>I will try
23:35<JamesBlond>stroyan may i pm u
23:35<stroyan>gustavo: There is also a workaround using explicit dpi setting
23:35<FatCatMatt>wow...350mhz...that's slow, bluntman225
23:35<niwt>pjustice, did you try debian.lcs.mit.edu?
23:36<bluntman225>i know but i have 192 mb of memory on it
23:36<bluntman225>all im doing is using it as a file server so it seems to work fine
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23:36<pjustice>niwt, no; found s390 at uchicago before I tried mit
23:38<stroyan>gustavo: I think the place that I worked around that was by adding a "DisplaySize 330 210" line in the Monitor section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf .
23:38<stroyan>Of course, your display size may vary.
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23:39<JamesBlond>stroyan??
23:39<stroyan>OK
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23:43<yujin>if i want to compile a project for an arm, is the gcc needed to be compiled again for that purpose?
23:44<tcsetattr>you mean you want a cross-compiler?
23:44<bichissimo>hi everyone
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23:45<yujin>yes
23:46<JamesBlond>txsetattr can u help me with my antrix server???
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23:46<tcsetattr>the basic gcc packages in debian don't do cross-compiling, but there is a dpkg-cross... maybe that would help. if not, the general procedure for building a gcc cross-compiler is there in the gcc docs
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23:50<JamesBlond>sorry if i flood the room. my brain is just a bit f. up because all the trys to get it work -.-
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23:50<tcsetattr>and I never heard of antrix by the way
23:50<yujin>=>tcsetattr,thanks
23:50<tcsetattr>is it a unix-like operating system designed by ants?
23:51<JamesBlond>no its a emulator.. on all guides stand that i can install it under linux.. but i try, and try and try and dont get it work
23:52<stroyan>tcsetattr: You must be thinking of picnix
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