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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-09-09

---Logopened Sun Sep 09 00:00:05 2007
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00:04<JamesBlond>anyone got experience on the antrix or ascent wow server emulator?
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00:07<amphi>antrix doesn't appear to be in debian
00:07<yujin>are iceweasel is the linux version of firefox?
00:08<JamesBlond>u mean antrix isnt compatible with debian?
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00:10<chealer>yujin: no. Firefox is a cross-platform browser.
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00:13<FatCatMatt>http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopmattgoe0.png
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00:13<FatCatMatt>resolution sucks cause i'm running 1440x900 but that's my desktop
00:14<yujin>i type "firefox" in a terminal the icewealsel opened, but its hmi is much different with the firefox in MS windows.
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00:18<FatCatMatt>wanna see me?!?!
00:18<FatCatMatt>http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n5254818711092725957nd3.jpg
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00:20<chealer>FatCatMatt: this is not a general discussion channel.
00:20<FatCatMatt>i know, chealer, just thought i would throw that in
00:21<FatCatMatt>you all need a break...sitting in front of the monitor is gonna fry your brains! go have a smoke or a beer or something :)
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00:23<FatCatMatt>and the irc sleeps tonight...
00:23<jamesblond>anyone heard about antrix now? from the ppl that got from sleep
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00:31<pillowpants>when i was installing debian, an error occured for mskswap program
00:31<pillowpants>so im running debian without swap at the moment
00:31<pillowpants>how would i activate it?
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00:34<kecoa>swapon /dev/hd??
00:34<FatCatMatt>he quit
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00:35<kecoa>oops i dont see that
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00:39<FatCatMatt>its all good, kecoa
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00:50[~]jae wishes there was a "vote for this bug" on bugs.debian.org
00:51<n3x>when compiling a new kernel whats the --command you add onto it where it makes the reveision 2.6.22.4444, because everytime i dpkg-i sadf.deb i get the error about there already being same kernel name
00:51<jae>How do I make an X11 font available that's known to fontconfig, but (according to xlsfonts) not to X?
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00:52<jamesblond>jae or n3x anyone of you playin wow?
00:52<n3x>no
00:52<n3x>lol
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00:54[~]jae isn't playing WoW... right now :)
00:55<jae>Though I fail to see how that's related to #debian
00:56<jamesblond>jae, ever heard something about antrix or ascent? :P or MaNGOS
00:56<jae>No
00:57<jamesblond>emu servers
00:57<jamesblond>im traying to install
00:57<jamesblond>trying..
00:57<FatCatMatt>jae is by-the-book! lol
00:58<FatCatMatt>im in the wrong channel anyways, im out! UBUNTU!
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00:58<weasel>he said jehova
00:59[~]jae did not hear anything about emu (flightless bird) servers
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01:00<kuchenmonster>Catas: ?
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01:00<Catas>bye i love you all
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01:00<kuchenmonster>Sure.
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01:02<jamesblond>hi weasel
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01:19<jamesblond>hi debhelper
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03:32<abhiver> somebody please help
03:32<abhiver>flash plugin in iceweasel not working
03:32<abhiver>was working earlier
03:32<abhiver>stopped suddenly
03:33<mike_>abhiver, reinstall it
03:33<abhiver>iceweasel?
03:33<mike_>yes thats wwjat i did
03:33<mike_>opps
03:34<mike_>Just use synaptic
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03:34<timothy>it isn't windows, so it shouldn't be a drama
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03:35<mike_>abhiver, Or just d/load flash tar.gz and install
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03:35<abhiver>ok let me see
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03:39<mike_>abhiver, http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
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03:48<rahulkr>iloioll
03:49<rahulkr>i
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03:49<rahulkr>i
03:49<rahulkr>i
03:49<rahulkr>p
03:49<rahulkr>[p[p
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03:55<metalqga>actually you should 'reinstall' the plugin
03:56<abhiver>ok it worked using synaptic and reinstalling
03:56<abhiver>thanks
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03:57<takt>hello
03:57<takt>does anybody know, how I can find out the UUID of a specific partition?
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03:59<yujin>=><takt> what would you do?
03:59<takt>I want to fix ma mdadm.conf
03:59<takt>some raids aren't added at boottime, I think the UUIDs are wrong since I had problems with my filesystem
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04:01<takt>/dev/disks/by-uuid doesn't exist ;)
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04:17<TerCa_BG>ot kade da si namerq linux?
04:17<TerCa_BG>ubuntu
04:17<TerCa_BG>?
04:17<azeem>#ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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04:21<TerCa_BG>lamez
04:21<TerCa_BG>http://linux-bg.org
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04:23<weasel>bitchx. what else
04:26<padski>a dearth of binary diff progs in debian ?
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04:31<aycko>hi
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04:32<aycko>i want to download emacs22 from testing, is there some way without getting all packages from testing?
04:32<aycko>i want the rest to be stable
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04:36<gsimmons>aycko: There appears to be backported emacs22 packages for Etch available at <http://hype.sourceforge.jp/>.
04:38<aycko>gsimmons: can i somehow tell apt to use always etch stable, even if there are higher versions on backport?
04:39<aycko>gsimmons: i want just this package with its dependencies to be installed
04:39<aptituz>there is a default-release configuration option for apt
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04:40<ales>hello
04:41<padski>ah, xdelta
04:41<ales>any one can help me with OpenGl?
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04:44<alessi>hi, i have problem in debian, couldnt initialize OpenGl, how can I?
04:46<azeem>alessi: which version of Debian and which graphics card?
04:46<alessi>nvidia, debian the newest
04:46<azeem>what does "grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf | tail -1" say?
04:47<alessi>in old mandriva() it was no problem, automatic
04:47<streuner_>alessi: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
04:48<alessi>grep: Driver "vesa"
04:48<azeem>alessi: and "lspci | grep VGA"?
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04:49<alessi>dpkg: ii libc6 2.3.6dsl-13etch2 GNU C library : Shared libraries
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04:50<alessi>azeem: lscpi command not found grepVGA command not found
04:51<alessi>pardon my nistake
04:52<alessi>azeem: 01:.0 VGa compatible controller: nvidia Corporation NV34 Geforce FX 5200 (rev al)
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04:52<azeem>alessi: anyway, the only way to get OpenGL running on that is to use the proprietary nvidia driver I believe
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04:52<azeem>!nvidia
04:52<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
04:53<streuner_>5200 should be supported by nvidia-glx
04:53<streuner_>IIRC
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04:54<alessi>azeem: event not found
04:54<streuner_>if you want 3D, just check out the docs of that package
04:54<azeem>alessi: what event?
04:54<yujin>how to judge whether the audio driver is OK?
04:54<alessi>azeem: i typed !nvidia and said me: event not found
04:54<streuner_>yujin: just listen ;-)
04:55<streuner_>alessi: nah, a bot command here for this channel
04:55<azeem>alessi: read what dpkg said, don't type the command
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04:56<alessi>!nvidia
04:56<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
04:56<alessi>i am going to see webpage
04:56<streuner_>but please dont use nvidia's installer...
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04:57<alessi>thanks for help
04:58<yujin>i can play .avi file,but no sound. where to see the status the audio dirver?
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04:59<streuner_>lsmod <your snd module>
04:59<streuner_>or rather lsmod | grep <your snd module>
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05:00<streuner_>yojin: does the sound working for a mp3, i.e.?
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05:00<streuner_>yojin: GNOME or KDE?
05:01<yujin>gnome
05:01<yujin>debian
05:01<streuner_>check out ESD isnt blocking then
05:02<streuner_>gnome-control-center and disable sounddaemon (if needed)
05:02<yujin>i will check.thanks
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05:30<alessi>what is official repository for debian?
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05:34<alessi>what is official repository for debian packages? i do use slovak repositories and they dont have nvidia package
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05:35<gsimmons>!mirrors
05:35<dpkg>debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/
05:35<alessi>no problen to modify reppository list. i used kubuntu before so i knmow something...
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05:44<meteor-1500>hi - just about to upgrade windows on my dual boot debian machine - what's the best way to get back into my linux install so i can reinstall grub to the mbr?
05:44<meteor-1500>can i use an etch netinst disk?
05:45<streuner_>check out wiki.debian.org about
05:46<streuner_>http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover?highlight=%28grub%29
05:46<meteor-1500>ah ok ta
05:47<streuner_>just get grml (Live-CD), you'll need that, anyway
05:47<streuner_>!grml
05:47<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/
05:47<meteor-1500>yep ok thanks
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05:55<dsl>hey guys im sorry this is debian channel but im running damn small linux and its hard to find some support. so with that appology im hoping someone might be able to help me. I want to set up my wlan0 to init on boot instead of typeing iwconfig wlan0 essid something and ifup all the time its quiet annoying any help is appreciated thank you
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05:59<dondelelcaro>edt /etc/network/interfaces and set wireless-*; options appropriately
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06:00<dondelelcaro>man wireless; for details
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06:01<sKAApGIF>hi
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06:03<sKAApGIF>can someone help me, I want to use a 133mhz 32mb RAM pc as a wireless access point
06:03<sKAApGIF>is there a way I could get debian installed on it?
06:04<gsimmons>sKAApGIF: Have you read the Installation Guide?
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06:05<sKAApGIF>yeah but it seems like you need at least 64mb RAM?
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06:11<gsimmons>sKAApGIF: For 4.0 ("Etch") on the i386 architecture, the "bare minimum" memory requirement is 32MB (see sections 2.5 and 3.4).
06:12<lupine_85>meh, you can fit into less than that
06:12<lupine_85>well, if you try really hard :)
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06:13<gsimmons>Sure, but 32MB is necessary to appease d-i. :)
06:13<lupine_85>for absolute minimalism, you're best using a mu-c-libc + busybox linux, though. AspisOS is good
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06:13<lupine_85>gsimmons: you can mount swap in order to appease it, too :)
06:14<lupine_85>but in such a situation, chroots ftw
06:14<fxiny>grml is more then a live cd : zsh , fluxbox (slurp) , grml-deboostrap can install plain debian (?) , very fast bittorrent download , wt4x !
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06:15<sKAApGIF>so if I mount a swap drive it shouldn't be a problem?
06:15<lupine_85>sKAApGIF: can get get the hard drive out of the PC?
06:15<lupine_85>erm, "can you", rather
06:15<lupine_85>oh, wait. you have 32MB, never mind
06:16<gsimmons>sKAApGIF: I'm using a Stylistic 1200 (P120, 32MB) as an access point over here. Your PC's specifications should meet the installer's requirement in low-memory mode. Unless you're doing something unusual, I doubt you'll need external swap.
06:16<lupine_85>just install it as usual, might as well give it some swap but it'll probably never touch it as a wireless access point
06:16<sKAApGIF>ok
06:16<lupine_85>personally, I'd spend some money now to get something designed for the job, and avoid the extortionate amount of electricity that thing is going to eat
06:17<sKAApGIF>installer will load low memory mode automatically?
06:17<gsimmons>sKAApGIF: d-i will detect the amount present and switch to this mode. You can force it if necessary, but it won't be necessary on most systems.
06:17<fxiny>that's right : i run a PII . wasting electrobills is a pita
06:17<lupine_85>you can get some very nice solid-state setups for < £120
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06:18<lupine_85>full debian installs, and higher-spec than that machine too :D
06:18<sKAApGIF>lol :P
06:18<sKAApGIF>yeah thing is I live in south africa, and with the exchange rate cheap isn't always cheap anymore
06:18<lupine_85>ah, that's true
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06:19<sKAApGIF>but if I had a job it'd be no problem, I'm still studying though, so my income is minimum :P
06:19<lupine_85>yay, student :)
06:20<sKAApGIF>but also I need to make a really long distance connection, so ppl advised me to use more specialized wireless cards
06:20<sKAApGIF>the best option they said was to get a mikrotik routerboard
06:20<lupine_85>had a friend in S.A. over the summer, doing volunteer work at Hluhluwe-Imfolozi National Park
06:20<sKAApGIF>oh cool
06:21<sKAApGIF>how did he experience SA?
06:21<lupine_85>she seemed to love it. chasing lions, being attacked by all manner of animals, snakes, etc
06:21<sKAApGIF>lol
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06:22<yujin>clear
06:22<lupine_85>anyway, if you get the opportunity Soekris WRAP boards are the business for this sort of thing. They can take any PCI or USB equipment a normal PC can, too
06:23<sKAApGIF>ok
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06:23<lupine_85>until then... the installer should work fine, do a base install and add what you need on
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06:23<sKAApGIF>ok :)
06:23<sKAApGIF>but according to the installation guide minimum is 48mb, is this then for the normal (aka not low memory mode) installation?
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06:24<gsimmons>sKAApGIF: Read the guide again. It's 32MB.
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06:25<sKAApGIF>lol, I don't understand... I'm reading http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch02s05.html.en
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06:25<sKAApGIF>but I'll take your word for it and try it out
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06:29<sKAApGIF>ok thanks guys, I'll download debian and get my AP up :)
06:29<gsimmons>sKAApGIF: Apologies. 48MB, but can be done in 32MB provided swap is mounted early on (which can be done from within d-i).
06:30<sKAApGIF>oh...
06:30<sKAApGIF>how do I do that then?
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06:30<gsimmons>sKAApGIF: Just proceed with the installation as described in the guide. You'll receive the necessary warnings to create and mount swap during partition/filesystem creation.
06:30<sKAApGIF>ok
06:31<sKAApGIF>thanks again then
06:31<sKAApGIF>cheerz
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06:35<shiza>hello, cfn you tell me how can i get into console in Gnome? using ctrl+alt, like ctrl+alt+F2 at nongraphic mode?
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06:35<helix84>shiza: yes, you can switch consoles using ctrl-alt-Fx
06:36<shiza>so why it dont woek?
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06:37<helix84>shiza: did you just install a standard etch system?
06:38<shiza>yes, five minutes ago install debian at pc
06:39<shiza>hmm..
06:39<helix84>shiza: it should work, i can't think of why it doesn't. but there's another way. look in the gnome menu for "xterm", terminal or console, it will run a terminal emulator in graphic mode
06:41<shiza>i need console ta adjust xserver-xorg, because there are bugs at screen - chais of pixels =(
06:41<shiza>*chaos
06:42<shiza>i think that i am change something wrong at X11/dpkg.conf... maybe reinstall of debi help me =)
06:42<helix84>shiza: then sorry, i don't know how to help you, maybe someone else does
06:43<shiza>wherever-thanks for attention=)
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06:54<yujin>play mp3 with rhythmbox,running with out sound , gnome,debian, maybe AD1896A driver.
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06:56<yujin>how to judge whether the driver is right or not?
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07:21<twist123>anyone know anything about debian support with an evga 8600 gts?
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07:34<yujin>when i try to run totem in gnome, the terminal report "can't create mcop directory".what is the problem,please
07:34<gsimmons>twist123: The video adapter appears to be supported by the Nvidia proprietary drivers.
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07:59<shawn_>i have two sound cards, how can i set one to default as it stays default?
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07:59<lupine_85>shawn_: you need to specify the load order of the sound modules
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08:00<shawn_>ok so in /etc/modules?
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08:00<Aleric>shawn_: alsa-config or something?
08:00<lupine_85>hang on, I'll see how I've done it
08:00<lupine_85>ah, here we go. In /etc/modprobe.d/sound I have two lines
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08:01<lupine_85>options "snd_cmipci index=0" and "options snd_via82xx index=1"
08:01<Aleric>/usr/sbin/alsaconf
08:01<lupine_85>obviously, you need to change the module names to suit your situation.
08:01<shawn_>alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
08:01<shawn_>options snd-emu10k1 index=0
08:01<Aleric>shawn_: run /usr/sbin/alsaconf
08:02<shawn_>aleric what do i do in alsaconf?
08:03<Aleric>you select the card you want and hit return
08:03<lupine_85>whoops. Misplaced " there. Should be "options snd_cmipci index=0" and "options snd_via82xx index=1" (of course, there are no " characters in the file)
08:03<shawn_>ok*
08:04[~]lupine_85 takes a peek
08:04<lupine_85>hey, sound cards can have negative indices. Cool
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08:05<DeFender1031>hello, i'm using the mp3rename package, and in the help, it says that -p pads track numbers with 0 if they're less than 10, but when i try to use it, it tells me that -p isn't a valid option. Why is this?
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08:07<lupine_85>DeFender1031: looks like the manpage is out of date. file a bug report?
08:07<lupine_85>It reports usage: [-vfhsbia] [file ...]
08:07<lupine_85>heh, -p is still in the inline help as well
08:07<DeFender1031>lupine_85, why would they have an option listed that doesn't exist?
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08:07<lupine_85>presumably, it used to be in but isn't any more
08:08<lupine_85>maybe it's just the default behaviour now
08:08<lupine_85>(that certainly makes sense)
08:08<DeFender1031>it's not the default behavior
08:08<DeFender1031>hence why i wanted to use it
08:08<DeFender1031>why would they remove it?
08:08<lupine_85>hmm. not sure then - you'd need to take it up with the authors of mp3rename.
08:09<DeFender1031>where can i find them?
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08:09<lupine_85>I agree, it's weird - padding is essential, really
08:09<DeFender1031>yes
08:09<lupine_85>mp3rename -h gives an email address
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08:09<jesperj> Hello. Swedish characters show up fine for me on my swedish localized Debian system in other apps, and in Xchat, but it seems that most people (it looks correct to some) only see strange chracters instead of "ÅÄÖ" (the aao with dots over them)
08:09<lupine_85>but reporting a bug on their webpage (if they have one) is the accepted practice
08:09<DeFender1031>so i should email mr. janssen?
08:09<DeFender1031>oh
08:09<DeFender1031>i googled, i can't find a webpage
08:09<jesperj>(in xchat that is. Any ideas?)
08:09<lupine_85>jesperj: are both you and they using UTF-8 ?
08:10<lupine_85>If not, you should be :)
08:10<lupine_85>or maybe some people are missing fonts (that seems unlikely for such common characters)
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08:11<helix84>i'm looking at http://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement . i think the section "Upgrade of all the files" should say upgrade instead of update.
08:11<jesperj>lupine_85: is UTF-8 the best one?
08:12<jesperj>I thought I should have a Latin-something
08:12<jesperj>that was for swedish
08:12<lupine_85>UTF-8 >>> everything else
08:12<jesperj>I take your word for it ;)
08:12<jesperj>Guess a google on "how to change charset" is next
08:13<lupine_85>iso-8559-[1-16] are a bit old
08:13<jesperj>lupine_85: This is something I must set systemwide not in my client right
08:13<helix84>jesperj: i think it would be "dpkg-reconfigure locales" but don't take my word for it
08:13<lupine_85>yeah. but if you switch to utf8 and all your friends are still using iso, it'll just make your problem worse rather than better
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08:14<jesperj>Why of why can't they make one that can handle both
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08:14<helix84>jesperj: utf-8 is made to handle all Unicode chars
08:14<lupine_85>that would have required forethought :)
08:15<helix84>jesperj: iso 8859 are older standards
08:15<lupine_85>if everyone uses utf8, everyone is OK
08:15<jesperj>hah
08:15<lupine_85>Well. Except ancient egyptians
08:15<blarson>lupine_85: What about the poor Klingons? Kligon isn't handled by utf8.
08:16<lupine_85>Is it not?
08:16<jesperj>Oh. utf is desigend to work with all or most special language chars instead of just some?
08:16<jesperj>it is more inclusive
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08:17<jesperj>I cant sit here forever and stare at the screen before i dare to try to reconfigure locals.
08:17<s0enke>hi dues
08:17<jesperj>time to try
08:17<s0enke>s/dues/dudes
08:17<s0enke>i ran into a problem with my new dell notebook and etch. there's no sound with hda-intel - here is lspci/dmesg output: http://phpfi.com/261700 - should I file a bug? ask the kernel mailing list? could you advise? thanks :)
08:18<helix84>jesperj: you can choose multiple locales when reconfiguring. but set the default one to utf-8
08:18<jesperj>shit
08:18<jesperj>Many locales to chose from with UTF
08:18<jesperj>DO i generate them all?
08:18<lupine_85>no
08:18<jesperj>or just my swedish one
08:18<lupine_85>just the one that's consistent sweden
08:18<klys>you want at least 8859-1 and UTF8
08:18<helix84>jesperj: no
08:18<weasel>or just install locales-all
08:19<helix84>jesperj: just swedish and english
08:19<lupine_85>iso-8859-15, these days
08:19<helix84>jesperj: don't install locales-all
08:19<lupine_85>Euro symbol and all
08:19<jesperj>it was allready set to "sv_SE*UTF"
08:19<helix84>jesperj: locales-all is huge and useless to you
08:19<weasel>huge?
08:19<lupine_85>ah, Klingon has it's own Unicode PUA
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08:19<helix84>weasel: isn't that what locales origianlly used to be?
08:20<jesperj>sv_SE.UTF-8 UTF-8 is where the * is at. Maybe that means my localise is that option allready?
08:20<lupine_85>but isn't "officially" in
08:20<lupine_85>jesperj: seems like it
08:20<jesperj>How do I check which one my system is using now
08:20<weasel>helix84: according to Installed-Size it's 15 megabytes. who cares about 15 megs in this day and age?
08:20<klys>LANG, LC_ALL
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08:20<lupine_85>echo $LANG in a terminal
08:21<helix84>weasel: i supposed right, read http://packages.debian.org/etch/locales
08:21<weasel>helix84: so what?
08:21<helix84>weasel: the point is it's useless for a regular user
08:21<weasel>no, it's not.
08:21<weasel>it saves them from building locales, which is most annoying
08:22<lupine_85>weasel: locales-all is precompiled
08:22<helix84>it takes 5 secs per locale on my system
08:22<lupine_85>wait, d'oh
08:22<weasel>lupine_85: no kidding. guess what I just said
08:22[~]lupine_85 fails in general
08:22<lupine_85>yeah. I'm having a bit of a general brain failure today
08:22<weasel>helix84: how long did it take to explain which locales to build so far?
08:22<lupine_85>too much japanese grammar
08:23<klys>you are not.
08:23<lupine_85>jesperj: konversation (KDE IRC client) lets me select, per channel, which encoding I use
08:24<lupine_85>if xchat does the same, and your friends are unwilling to upgrade to unicode, you can send to them in whatever they want
08:24<klys>does irssi do it too?
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08:25<lupine_85>I don't know if it does per-channel encoding, but you can set encoding while in irssi, I think
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08:26<klys>how can I demonstrate a good unicode consolefont (I use dev. version of lct)
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08:27<lipfi>hm
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08:31[~]lupine_85 wonders if they'd have to use UTF-64 in the Federation
08:31<keepout>hi all
08:32<rummeldibummel>hi
08:32<lipfi>hi .D
08:32<isuckatlinux>does anyone know about certificates through java? iceweasel dont seeem to handle that
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08:32<rummeldibummel>does some1 know why i dont have window decorations with beryl/compiz?
08:33<weasel>lupine_85: UTF-8 is an encoding, not a charset.
08:33<isuckatlinux>yup, probably u r missing some options in ur xorg.conf
08:33<lipfi>anyone an idea how to boot the netistall amd64 with an usb keyboard
08:34<isuckatlinux>i used usb keyboard and didnt have any issues
08:34<lupine_85>mm, me too. lipfido you have USB HID device support enabled in your BIOS ?
08:34<isuckatlinux>check ur bios maybe
08:34<lipfi>hm maybe thats it :D
08:34<lipfi>thx
08:34<lupine_85>epp, freudian slip of the fingers there
08:34<helix84>i'm looking at http://wiki.debian.org/PackageManagement . i think the command in section "Upgrade of all the files" should be upgrade instead of update.
08:34<jesperj>lupine_85: fixed it
08:35<jesperj>I could set the xchar for each network in xchat :)
08:35<jesperj>thanks
08:35<azeem>helix84: fix it
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08:35<lupine_85>np, so your friends were still on iso8559?
08:35<lipfi>ok cu
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08:36<isuckatlinux>has anyone taken netg curses thru linux?
08:36<isuckatlinux>i dont even see the certificates and cant start the curse
08:36<helix84>azeem: Immutable Page
08:36<isuckatlinux>windows work, any ideas?
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08:38<keepout>hi
08:38<isuckatlinux>rummeldibummel, did u check ur xorg.conf?
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08:39<Myon>helix84: I think you need to log in
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08:42<lupine_85>nah, immutable pages can't be changed. That's why they're immutable
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08:44<Myon>lupine_85: it allows me to edit
08:44<helix84>grr ugly restrictions, had to register
08:44<Myon>blame the spammers
08:44<helix84>what about OpenID?
08:45<JasonS>helix84: ya that 20 seconds to register really ticked me off as well ;)
08:45<Mushindo>alguien me pasa algún manual para instalar drivers propietarios bajados de la web de ATI???? no lo localizo por ningún lado
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08:45<Myon>!br
08:45<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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08:46<isuckatlinux>use #debian-es
08:46<Mushindo>thz... en debia-es no me ayuda nadie
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08:47<isuckatlinux>i know
08:47<isuckatlinux>it sucks
08:47<isuckatlinux>what exactly is the problem
08:47<allan>Hmm.. I got a lot of background noice, from my microphone, is there a common reason for that?
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08:47<isuckatlinux>u need a new one
08:48<allan>microphone?
08:48<isuckatlinux>yeah
08:48<allan>Its the steelsound headset, and in Win Vista theres no noice
08:48<lupine_85>most mikes pick up a fair amount of background noise. You could truen the input volume down
08:48<lupine_85>turn*
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08:48<isuckatlinux>same pc has vista??
08:49<allan>yeah
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08:49<allan>i tried turning down.. Its for teamspeak, but if i turn down, my voice goes down too
08:50<jimin>hi, im currently running debian testing, i've installed a 2nd copy of debian i want to try unstable with but as far as i can see there is no security updates for sid, is this right?
08:51<jimin>so my sources.list for sid should just be - deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable contrib main non-free and deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable contrib main non-free. is this right?
08:51<lupine_85>yep. no security updates for testing either, IIRC
08:52<jimin>so just those 2 lines in my sources.list?
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08:52<isuckatlinux>i dont know allan, maybe the driver u using not very good
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09:01<jimin>sorry to ask again but is it just those 2 url's i should have in my sid sources.list?
09:01<rummeldibummel>isuchatlinux: yes i checked it but i did not found anything what was wrong
09:01<lupine_85>jimin: yes
09:02<jimin>thanks
09:02<Myon>uhm, are you sure you want to use unstable if you need to ask that?
09:03<lupine_85>eh, what's the worst that can happen?
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09:03<lupine_85>;)
09:03<Myon>we could have to answer weird questions about random breakages here
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09:06<jimin>i have 2 debian installations, 1 is testing and i want to try sid on the other
09:06<michael_>Hello. Im looking for a easy to configure firewall. Can someone help me?
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09:12<suiside>michael_: you propably just want a frontend for iptables, look into Firestarter or Shorewall or Vuurmuur if you like curses-based interfaces
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09:16<michael_>Thank you. The thing is that I'm totally new to Linux and I'm only using the graphical interface since that's the only thing I can handle right now. I have both the iptable and firestarter packages installed but I cannot find them in the Applications drop down list.
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09:28<baastrup>7j #ubuntu+1
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09:31<baastrup>HI, im having somep roblems with my geforce 3 ti 500 and xorg, and hangs the hole machines , and makes the grapics full of "lines" errors
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09:32<baastrup>im using the nvidia driver(no the open source one) glxinfo says someting abput GLX missing on display
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09:40<michael_>Ok. I have logged in as su in bash and started firestarter. Do I have to stay logged in as su for firestarter to keep running?
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10:05<nubbun>My script in /etc/ppp/ipv6-up.d and /etc/ppp/ipv6-down.d aren't running. Has someone here successfully used scripts in those directories? They begin with
10:05<nubbun>#!/bin/bash
10:05<nubbun>and have ownership and permissions
10:05<nubbun>-rwxrwx--- 1 root dip
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10:06<Myon>nubbun: does it have funny characters in the name?
10:06<nubbun>only period/dot : "."
10:06<RainbowW>why is grub mounting /dev/sdb1 at root when the line says root=/dev/sda1? the system doesn't boot ... complains can't find /sbin/init and drops to a busybox prompt.
10:07<azeem>RainbowW: which line says that?
10:07<Myon>nubbun: man run-parts
10:07<azeem>RainbowW: and grub isn't mounting anything
10:07<Myon>nubbun: iirc . is forbidden
10:08<RainbowW>it reaches "Running /scripts/init-bottom" before giving errors: mount: mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory. Same for /sys and /proc. Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init, busybox prompt.
10:08<RainbowW>when i go look in /root, i see the contents of /dev/sdb1
10:08<RainbowW>not /dev/sda1
10:09<azeem>RainbowW: do you mean / or /root?
10:09<nubbun>manu_hack: If the --lsbsysinit option is not given then the names must consist entirely of upper and lower case letters, digits, underscores, and hyphens.
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10:09<nubbun>Okay, I got it reversed with the lsbsysinit option.
10:09<Myon>they wording is weird, ack
10:09<nubbun>I mean, I read it the reverse of what it really is. Thanks Myon.
10:10<Myon>.oO(you named it entirely with dots and other chars?)
10:10<RainbowW>azeem: /root. / contains: bin dev init modules root scripts tmp conf etc lib proc sbin sys var. i would assume that this is what's contained in initramfs, prior to remounting /dev/sda1 as root like it's supposed ot.
10:11<azeem>why do you have a seperate partition on /root?
10:11<azeem>RainbowW: paste your /etc/fstab
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10:12<nubbun>Myon: I named it ending in ".sh"
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10:12<Myon>yeah it's a pity that that's forbidden
10:13<Myon>I guess the idea is not to execute stuff like foo.bak
10:13<RainbowW>azeem: no such file or directory. /dev/sdb1 is supposed to be mounted at /home. what i'm seeing is a failure mid-way through the boot process, so stuff isn't yet mounted where it's supposed to be. i don't understand why it's getting sda1 and sdb1 backwards.
10:13<azeem>RainbowW: then mount them somewhere
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10:13<azeem>you already explained that booting doesn't work due to mount issues
10:14<soenke>hi
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10:15<soenke>i got the strange problem that there's no hda cdrom device anymore although installation of etch worked and the installer added hda as cdrom device to fstab. i checked the dmesg output and there's no hda anymore, too ... anyone?
10:16<RainbowW>okay i'm going to go beat my head against a different wall since obviously this one isn't getting me anywhere useful.
10:16<azeem>RainbowW: yeah, if you just want to complain, do it elsewhere
10:17<nubbun>soenke. Is a corresponding module for your bus adapter loaded?
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10:18<RainbowW>i'll complain wherever i feel like it, especially in the presence of people who are offering deliberately obtuse "suggestions." "mount it somewhere" is totally useless and doesn't come close to looking for the root of my problem.
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10:18<soenke>nubbun, i guess it's atiixp but i am not sure
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10:19<soenke>nubbun, lspci says "00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 IDE"
10:19<azeem>RainbowW: the root of your problem is a misconfiguration of either /etc/fstab or Grub's config
10:19<azeem>RainbowW: if you cannot look at those two because they're not mounted, mounting them somewhere is a good strategy
10:20<nubbun>soenke I don't know if that's the right module other than it's ati. Have any other devices attached to the bus?
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10:20<soenke>nubbun, no the primary HD is SATA device
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10:21<nubbun>see anything in dmesg about the module for the bus adapter being loaded?
10:21<soenke>nubbun, only this: http://phpfi.com/261742
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10:22<nubbun>soenke. I guess if I were in your shoes, I'd install the kernel source code and check whether I could easily ascertain whether that was the correct module and if so, what optional parameters exist for the module that might be useful.
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10:24<nubbun>If I'm loading http://paste.debian.net/ with another principal language in my browser than English, how do I get #debian selected as the channel for the paste?
10:24<soenke>nubbun, the atiixp is the correct driver. strange.
10:25<azeem>nubbun: don't worry about selecting channels
10:25<Myon>nubbun: it's only the heading, it doesn't actually send to irc
10:25<nubbun>soenke. That's strange. Looks like it's loading and seeing hda. Do you have a /dev/ide0?
10:26<soenke>nubbun, no /dev/ide0
10:26<nubbun>does /dev/hda exist and not respond or not exist?
10:26<soenke>no /dev/hd*
10:27<soenke>it's strange because installation worked ;)
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10:28<soenke>maybe some bios settings?
10:30<soenke>nubbun, I'll fiddle around with the bios, thanks for your help
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10:31<wayne>hi
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10:32<wayne>any body here?
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10:32<kirkroy>hello.
10:32<sleedux>no all death =)
10:32<wayne>ha
10:32<wayne>lol
10:32<kirkroy>anyone know how I can update my system to read a new graphics card? noob stuff, I know...
10:32<Apollo>what is the package i need to install for streaming video? i get the video stream but no sound. i have the flash from adobe installed, should i uninstall and install something else? I have had the audio working properly before. i checked with any sound device issues such as muting or low volume, but they seem fine and i can play cd's and audio files.
10:32<sleedux><. zombie
10:33<wayne>i was from the mars
10:33<wayne>=)
10:33<DeepDayze>lol
10:33<wayne>火星人?
10:34<DeepDayze>isn't debian GREAT?
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10:34<kirkroy>it is when I can get new hardware to work.. ;)
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10:35<soenke>nubbun, it was my fault, i deactived something like "module bay devices" in bios without knowing that it affects cdrom device :-P
10:35<piper>works better in debian than windows
10:36<kirkroy>anyone know how I can update my system to read a new graphics card? noob stuff, I know...
10:36<lupine_85>kirkroy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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10:36<wayne>qui
10:37<kirkroy>guh, I knew I'd feel like a 'todd.
10:37<kirkroy>tx.
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10:42<Apollo> what is the package i need to install for streaming video? i get the video stream but no sound. i have the flash from adobe installed, should i uninstall and install something else? I have had the audio working properly before. i checked with any sound device issues such as muting or low volume, but they seem fine and i can play cd's and audio files.
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10:44<blaresss>hi
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10:52<dsl>some one know if damn small linux has aptget
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10:54<Stephim>yes dsl it's a debian system
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10:55<kirkroy>for some reason, I'm being told that xserver.org isn't installed. Am I doing something stupid with that dpkg-reconfigure command, like missing caps?
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10:56<chealer>!drxx kirkroy
10:56<dpkg>kirkroy: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
10:56<kirkroy>that's what I did wrong.
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11:00<kirkroy>allright, time for a restart. thanx guys.
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11:01<rummeldibummel>does anyone know the windowmanager for compiz?
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11:03<rummeldibummel>is it emerald or aquamarine? i dont know
11:03<chealer>rummeldibummel: what do you mean? isn't Compiz a window manager?
11:04<rummeldibummel>yeah thats right
11:04<rummeldibummel>but
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11:04<rummeldibummel>i have no window borders so i need something like emerald or aquamarine
11:04<rummeldibummel>but these two are for beryl
11:04<rummeldibummel>and not for compiz
11:05<lupine_85>compiz has gwd and kwd
11:05<lupine_85>and later versions of emerald work with it too
11:06<rummeldibummel>work with compiz? when i wanted to install emerald i needed beryl
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11:06<rummeldibummel>but do u know where i can download kwd
11:08<lupine_85>in terms of the source code, it's a part of the compiz base package
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11:09<rummeldibummel>oh ok
11:09<rummeldibummel>but why dont i have window borders?
11:09<lupine_85>hmm. with the debian package, it's seperated out into compiz-gtk
11:09<lupine_85>(for gnome)
11:09<lupine_85>is there a compiz-kde or compiz-qt?
11:10<rummeldibummel>i have kde and compiz-kde is installed
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11:11<lupine_85>ho hum. compiz-kde is empty? oO
11:11<lupine_85>try dpkg -L compiz-kde
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11:12<rummeldibummel>ok
11:13<lupine_85>that'll list every file inside it (It's not installed here so I can't do that). Anything in /usr/bin is a program, which you can presumably run to get window borders
11:13<lupine_85>if it's empty, well... the package maintainer is doin' it wrong
11:14<lupine_85>kwd or kde-window-decorator (I forget which it's called) should be in there
11:14<rummeldibummel>ok i will look
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11:14<rummeldibummel>i am german so my english is not very good^^
11:15<E0x>!de
11:15<dpkg>hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
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11:16<rummeldibummel>there is a file compiz.real and compiz
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11:17<rummeldibummel>compiz is a shell-scrypt
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11:20<dsl_>someone told me how to turn off ipv6 through a file anyone know what file this might be??
11:20<dsl_>i forgot :(
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11:21<rummeldibummel>no borders:(
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11:21<helix84>dsl_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409
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11:23<stroyan>dsl_: Perhaps adding ipv6 to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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11:24<stroyan>I think I like helix84's link better than blacklist
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11:27<dsl_>not sure all i know is im running dsl right now and the internet pop ups are faster then a blink of an eye but thats the only thing dsl is good for its too complicated for me to use. and i have been up for 19 hrs trying to get help from their channel which blows might i add. so i am going to try to find a way to make another os as fast for the internet
11:29<dsl_>but then again i have no clue on what i am doing maybe i should just get debian how fast does ur internet pages pop up?? i have cable and with dream linux it took about 50 seconds before a page would show and with dsl it takes about 1-2 seconds
11:30<dsl_>i dont know why this is maybe someone would be polite enough to explain this to me? oh thank you for the postshelix and stroyan
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11:31<stroyan>dsl_: several linux distributions enable the newer ipv6 protocol. Several routers and cable modems choke on the DNS requests made using ipv6. Disabling ipv6 is a workaround for those devices.
11:32<lupine_85>the routers don't choke on them, but firefox does
11:34<dsl_>okay so its like me doing long hand in math = ipv6 instead of using a calculator = ipv4 but this is rediculous why would you enable ipv6 if its only going to slow ur users computer pages?
11:34<stroyan>lupine_85: Interesting. So only firefox is tripping over the ipv6 issue? Then http://en.opensuse.org/Disable_IPv6_for_Firefox could entirely fix the problem with a firefox setting.
11:35<lupine_85>yep
11:35<lupine_85>dsl_: because ipv6 is entering common usage
11:35<dsl_>thats lame
11:35<lupine_85>oO
11:36<dsl_>who is behind ipv6? microcrap?
11:36<lupine_85>are you serious?
11:36<vortex>haha
11:36<lupine_85>It's I P V 6
11:36<dsl_>umm i dont know if thats a retarded question then no
11:36<dsl_>:)
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11:36<lupine_85>I'm sorry, but you fail :p
11:37<stroyan>dsl_: ipv6 is a really good idea. But getting there is a bit disruptive. http://www.ipv6.org/
11:37<lupine_85>the end boss of the internet crushed you like a twig
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11:37<dsl_>lol
11:37<dsl_>okay so ipv6 isnt totally there yet just implemented
11:38<piper>dsl_: you can look at the Internet Tweaking section here if you like http://sidux.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=tweaking
11:38<lupine_85>meh, it's totally there, fully functional and working
11:38[~]fxiny waits for a free drink
11:38<lupine_85>all that's left, really, is the last mile
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11:38<dsl_>so we are the ones lagging?
11:38<dsl_>or maybe its just me
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11:39<piper>many factors
11:39<petemc>im not aware of many residential services offering native ipv6
11:39<lupine_85>Nope. All OSes now support IPv6 fully. It's the ISPs and CPE we're waiting on
11:39<piper>isp
11:39<lupine_85>petemc: I am :)
11:39<piper>yup
11:39<lupine_85>including my own
11:39<petemc>wheres that?
11:39<lupine_85>but at the price of a Cisco 837 for decent CPE... well
11:39<lupine_85>UK, AAISP
11:39<petemc>ahh
11:40<petemc>ive heard good things
11:40<dsl_>lol
11:40<dsl_>yea unlike my comcast cable crap
11:40<dsl_>its better then dial up i guess :P
11:40<lupine_85>once CPE like Belkin, BT home hub, generic conexants start offering IPv6 out of the box (won't be long), ISPs will start feeling pressured to offer native IPv6
11:41<piper>i have a nice connection here at home with roadrunner (time warner) :)
11:41<piper>Download Speed: 13.12 mbps (1679.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
11:41<piper>Upload Speed: 1886 kbps (235.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
11:41<dsl_>i think im going to read up on ipv6 and what it is suppose to do
11:41<dsl_>shit
11:41<dsl_>piper ur a mad man
11:42<piper>;)
11:42<dsl_>i barley get 500kb
11:42<dsl_>if im lucky top end 900kbs
11:42<dsl_>and im crapping my self
11:42<piper>nice for building iso's :)
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11:42<petemc>i get 20 meg down 1 meg up with virgin
11:42<dsl_>like yesh im the man and now im crushed by ur 13 mbs transfer rate what service do you have
11:43<piper>petemc: nice
11:43<DeepDayze>i got ATT DSL Elite (6M down/768K up)
11:43<dsl_>what service do you guys have f this cable crap
11:43<petemc>they also carry alt.binaries..
11:43<DeepDayze>and it's pretty good...can't wait for fiber
11:43<piper>hi DeepDayze :)
11:43<DeepDayze>i'd just love to get fiber dsl
11:43<DeepDayze>howdy piper :)
11:43<lupine_85>hehe, and http://www.ipv6experiment.com/ might well help with the big IPv6 push, too
11:44<piper>dsl_: i have road runner (TW)
11:44<piper>cable
11:44<dsl_>aww
11:44<lupine_85>nothing like porn to encourage takeup of technological innovations, after all
11:44<DeepDayze>ipv6 will become very big next few years
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11:44<DeepDayze>lolol lupine85
11:44<piper>dsl_: fios is 12 miles a way and is waiting for it
11:44<DeepDayze>pr0n is what started the move to higher bandwidth
11:44<piper>lupine_85: hehe
11:44<lupine_85>not to mention HDTV
11:44<dsl_>lol
11:44<DeepDayze>i remember most websites used to be just text
11:44<DeepDayze>or simple GI's
11:45<DeepDayze>GIF's
11:45<piper>yup
11:45<lupine_85>8=X
11:45<lupine_85>phwoar
11:45<DeepDayze>such sites were easy on my lowly 33.6 modem then
11:45<DeepDayze>that was back in 1994
11:45<DeepDayze>when I first accessed the WWW
11:45<piper>hmm, i had a fast 24.6 (if i rememeber)
11:45<DeepDayze>28.8 you mean
11:46<dsl_>i remember when i used linux for the first time mandrake 4.0 or summthing i couldnt set it up to much manual labor made me feel like i was gona pop a hemroid or split a vein in my head from all the fustration
11:46<DeepDayze>i had a 14.4 but that was too slow
11:46<piper>yes, age is setting in
11:46<DeepDayze>i started using slackware back in 1995
11:46<piper>14 i had a first but upgraded
11:46<DeepDayze>before that, SLS Linux in 1993
11:46<lupine_85>960? baud on a c=64, that's the way to go
11:46<piper>lol
11:46<dsl_>lol
11:47<dsl_>commador 64 i still own one
11:47<DeepDayze>the Net came a long way since those days
11:47[~]DeepDayze was once a proud owner of a C64
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11:47<lupine_85>go read RFC-1 some time. It's enlightening )
11:47<dsl_>and a couple of them big floppies
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11:47<DeepDayze>i had my C64 for over 10 years
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11:47<piper>i still have some of those big floppies :)
11:47<DeepDayze>me 2
11:47<dsl_>:) betcha thought it was the best thing inthe world
11:47<piper>yup
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11:48<DeepDayze>i bought my c64 back in 1982
11:48<dsl_>i still do
11:48<lupine_85>last I checked, they wouldn't run debian :/
11:48<piper>;)
11:48<DeepDayze>c64 could run os9
11:48<DeepDayze>a stripped down OS9 though
11:48<dsl_>wow
11:48<dsl_>oh okay lol
11:48<dsl_>i was going to say thats pretty good
11:48<DeepDayze>linux on a 6502 processor...LOLOLOL
11:48<piper>almost time for the football game \_/ :)
11:49<dsl_>im going to have to try it
11:49<lupine_85>well. http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/
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11:49<DeepDayze>looks like someone hacked a c64 to take an nvidia card
11:49<DeepDayze>or some other graphics card
11:49<pmitros>I'm running Debian Stable. I have a custom 2.6.20.6 kernel. At some point, I have no idea when, sound broke. It works in mplayer, xmms, mpg123, and a few others, but not in ogg123, uqm, and a few others. uqm dies with: "ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'" I'm using ALSA for sound in the kernel. I have OSS emulation and support for old ALSA API enabled in my kernel.
11:49<dsl_>all i did was make little computer games on the thing
11:50<dsl_>and your question would be how can someone help me please fix this
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11:50<pmitros>This probably doesn't matter, but I'm using an Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
11:51<dsl_>then politely end with a thank you because im sure everyone in here gives there spare time to help
11:51<pmitros>Any clues?
11:51<dsl_>nope dont ask me im just a messenger
11:51<dsl_>:P
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11:52<lupine_85>pmitros: seems likely that the card is no longer called '0'
11:52<lupine_85>it could be called 'default' or hw:(something) or all sorts of things
11:52<dsl_>did you try to reinstall the ogg123 uqm and the few others maybe you did a upgrade or something and kicked em out of wak
11:52<dsl_>wack
11:53<lupine_85>if it's a custom kernel, a reinstall is unlikely to help
11:53<pmitros>lupine: I think that's just trying to grab the first sound card. I don't specify that to any applications.
11:53<dsl_>well i tried
11:53<pmitros>Everything is from Debian/stable except the kernel.
11:54<lupine_85>pmitros: alsa calls it's devices all sorts of things, including '0'. maybe that's changed a bit with the later kernel
11:54<lupine_85>different apps almost certainly use different default device names/identifiers, hence the variability in behaviour you're seeing
11:54<dsl_>im going to get debian what is the smallest lightest distro debian has preferably running xfce, fluxbox or well any light wm instead of the kde gnome.
11:55<pmitros>Hmm... Now that I'm looking at it, alsamixer also doesn't work.
11:55<pmitros>"alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
11:55<lupine_85>dsl_: the lightest debian you can get is achieved by running "debootstrap <distro>"
11:55<lupine_85>120MB or so
11:55<lupine_85>pmitros: what does aplay -l list (you might need to install it)
11:55<pmitros>lupine: Hmm... That's possible. I have no clue how I'd fix that.
11:56<pmitros>aplay: device_list:222: no soundcards found...
11:56<pmitros>That's weird. I don't even have OSS compiled in, except for emulation.
11:56<lupine_85>hmm. So how on earth are those other programs outputting sound?
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11:56<piper>pmitros: what does cat /proc/asound/modules give you
11:56<dsl_>that sounds like a good distro i think i heard of it dont you need internet connection to get the rest of the apps or am i thinking of something else
11:57<lupine_85>debootstrap can pull equally well from any repository, including CD
11:57<pmitros>It's all compiled in. No modules. /proc/asound/cards does list my sound card, though.
11:57<lupine_85>but you get the absolute minimum of packages required
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11:57<lupine_85>you can then add what you need, bit by bit
11:58<dsl_>thats what im looking for
11:58<dsl_>thank you brb
11:58<lupine_85>it's great fun to do; the debian install manual details the process
11:58<pmitros>My guess is that ALSA changed its API in some way at some point, and maybe my kernel and ALSA libs are out of sync.
11:59<piper>pmitros: does cat /dev/sndstat give output, don't paste here
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12:00<pmitros>Piper: No. The file exists, but it's not connected to anything "cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device."
12:00<piper>hmm
12:00<lupine_85>I'd guess at the kernel being misconfigured?
12:00<piper>me too
12:01<lupine_85>ABI change is possible, but... unlikely
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12:01<pmitros>I'm not really sure what could be misconfigured. There aren't all that many configuration options.
12:01[~]pmitros looks harder
12:02[~]lupine_85 avoids compiling his own kernels these days
12:02<lupine_85>I'm getting too old for it :D
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12:04<pmitros>I have: Sound card support, ALSA, OSS mixer, OSS PCM, OSS PCM plug-in, OSS Sequencer, support old ALSA API, verbose procfs contents, and my sound card.
12:05<pmitros>I have sequencer support as a module (modprobed), and I don't have sequencer dummy client, RTC timer support, dynamic device file numbers, verbod printk, or debug.
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12:05<pmitros>And now that I think about it, I have this problem on two independent computers (a laptop and a desktop). I never bothered with it on the desktop, since it is primarily a server.
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12:07<dsl_>lol im looking around and found debian the universal os rofl how true this must be
12:08<dsl_>you have everything .deb based ubuntu dsl pclinuxos and many other
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12:08<ranix>I love wireless internet
12:08[~]pmitros is getting too old for compiling kernels too. More importantly, the kernel is getting too complex
12:08<piper>wouldn't give his best enemy ubuntu
12:09<ranix>no matter where I go, 'linksys' is there for me
12:09<ranix>I just moved into a new apartment
12:09<fxiny>the univers is full of asteroids :P
12:09<ranix>I don't have to wait for the cable guy twiddling my thumbs.
12:09<ranix>I can wait for him on the internet
12:09<piper>bbl football
12:09<dsl_>okay lupine i can debootstrap debian to dsl?
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12:10<pmitros>piper: Why? I'm probably switching to Ubuntu if I ever reinstall this laptop. It's a rather nice laptop OS. Oh well. Too late.
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12:11<piper2>pmitros: because it is really not debian compatible (.debs)
12:11<pmitros>Sure. But you can get debs for it for most software packages, and the beautiful thing is laptop suspend, sound, video, and all those things Just Work.
12:12<dsl_>piper deb has xfce?
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12:12<piper2>pmitros: i will stick to sidux 100% debian
12:13<pmitros>I like Debian for the stability. My desktop is keeping it. Laptops get replaced frequently enough that initial setup is starting to overwhelm the benefits of that, though.
12:13<piper2>sidux is very stable :) but, we won't talk about it here on this channel :)
12:14<dsl_>piper lol why is that
12:14<piper2>dsl_: apt-get install xfce4
12:14<dsl_>naw forget that i heard of another something or other im gona look at
12:14<piper2>dsl_: this is a debian stable channel and i am respecting that
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12:15<piper2>hi rickbot
12:15<dsl_>aww okay
12:15<rickbot>howdy
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12:21<DeepDayze>hi rickbot
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12:23<dsl>Stephim: how can I start apt get?
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12:25<dsl>I do not see the shell in dsl...
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12:26<chealer>dsl: DSL is offtopic on #debian
12:26<dsl>ah found it... sorry
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12:27<lupine_85>It's not "just" debian stable, surely?
12:30<dsl>apt-get install xfce4: command not found
12:31<seanius>dls: take out the double quotes
12:31<seanius>s/ls/sl/
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12:34<piper2>dsl: i am not familar with dsl, might need to add something to source list, might be best to check there forums
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13:06<newlx>I've installed Debian Etch, and I get a black screen, i reboot and enter in User Mode, made and apt-get update and upgrade, reboot the system and I got gdm, but after shutdown and and Turn on the system I got the black screen again, any idea
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13:07<chealer>newlx: what do you mean by User Mode?
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13:08<newlx>ion the GRUB menu there are a 2 option single-user mode, I boot the system on that mode
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13:09<newlx>and I have access to root
13:09<chealer>newlx: are you able to get gdm to start again?
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13:11<newlx>let me try
13:12<newlx>chealer: no I can not get gdm
13:13<chealer>newlx: did you check logs?
13:13<newlx>chealer: ctrl+alt f5 or f7 do not work to
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13:23<newlx>What Should I get on the log, looks that everything is normal
13:24<lupine_85>screwz0red graphics, I would suspect
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13:24<lupine_85>newlx: what sort of system is it? laptop?
13:24<newlx>Lupine_85: I have a Thinkpad T21
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13:25<lupine_85>thought so. Some laptop video cards are weird, and don't work well with certain drivers and/or video modes.
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13:25<lupine_85>as to how to fix it... don't have a clue, sorry. I'm aware of the problem, and know it can be fixed, but not the specifics
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13:25<sasha>yes mine , and i connot install debian cause of that
13:26<lupine_85>google + the problem + the laptop model should find appropriate resources
13:26<lupine_85>or maybe someone else here knows all about it
13:27<sasha>ati mobility radeon hd 2400 , no driver actually
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13:29<newlx>if i try dpkg-reconfigure gdm I have the message 'gdm' is not installed and no info available
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13:30<lupine_85>that's hardly good
13:30<lupine_85>reinstall it?
13:30<lupine_85>though one wonders what else has gone missing
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13:31<sasha>hi , i would lik o know how can i integrated some module as ndiswrapper, rt2570patched ,.... in my kernel source tree cause afer each recompilation , i recompile them manually
13:31<piper2>newlx: maybe try apt-get install --reinstall gdm
13:32<lupine_85>sasha: that'd be an awful lot of work, and not worth it if you're running the debian stock kernel
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13:34<sasha>no im using self compiled kernel with soe patch like bootsplash ...
13:34<newlx>lupine_85: apt-get install gdm the answer is gdm is already the newest version, weird
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13:36<piper2>newlx: apt-get install --reinstall gdm
13:36<newlx>piper: I'm doing reinstall, we will see
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13:36<fxiny>are you sure x is installed ? apt-cache policy xserver-xorg
13:36<piper2>hey slam
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13:36<DeepDayze>hiya slam :)
13:36<slam>hey crowd
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13:37<DeepDayze>lotta people here today
13:37<slam>i'm not the pope - he left my country just now
13:37<newlx>fxiny: xserver-xorg installed
13:37<piper2>hwhwh
13:37<alessiog75>hey all
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13:37<alessiog75>what's up here
13:37<piper2>ciao alessiog75
13:37<fxiny>newlx: right , try to reconfigure it
13:37<lupine_85>sasha: you "just" need to copy the files to an appropriate part of the kernel source tree and add it to the build system. You can implement it as a patch and re-apply it before you compile each new kernel
13:37<alessiog75>oh nice, piper2 hi
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13:39<ths_>hello xbc and witte how are you?
13:39<dpkg>ths_: pretty good. how about you?
13:39<ths_>i'm fine dpkg
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13:40<slam>is by any accident the maintainer of trac here?
13:40<fxiny>something like a broken leg ?
13:41<ths_>how can i change the clock in debian etch for ever, because always when i change the clock and reboot the pc the clock is reset?
13:41<slam>fxiny: no, actually i wanted to say thanks for cerrect packaging
13:41<fxiny>slam: :)
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13:42<slam>fxiny: and wanted to explore the timetable for either including webadmin, or pushing the latest rc+svn into sid
13:43<ths_>how can i change the clock in debian etch for ever, because always when i change the clock and reboot the pc the clock is reset?
13:43<slam>fxiny: trac is no simple package, and however did, he did really fine
13:44<lupine_85>ths_: don't re-ask so frequently. And in answer, are you using ntp?
13:44<lupine_85>and this question seems familiar
13:44<ths_>lupine_85, ntp??
13:44<newlx>fxiny: I'm reconfig the xserver-xorg
13:44<DeepDayze>what
13:44<DeepDayze>is trac, slam?
13:44<fxiny>slam: yes ? as a user i'm happy to hear you :)
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13:44<lupine_85>network tiem protocol
13:44<DeepDayze>ahh
13:44<SNN>!b-e
13:44<dpkg>If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>.
13:44<lupine_85>it pulls the time off the intarwebs for you
13:44<DeepDayze>something like ntpdate?
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13:45<ths_>i don't know lupine_85
13:45<lupine_85>yep
13:45<DeepDayze>i see, thanks
13:45<lupine_85>!ntp
13:45<dpkg>somebody said ntp was the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information.
13:45<lupine_85>do that, then?
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13:45<slam>DeepDayze: no, trac is a project management application, bugtracker and frontend to subversion
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13:46<slam>DeepDayze: actually it's even a lite web server itself
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13:46<DeepDayze>a nice thing, slam
13:46<fxiny>ths_: check /etc/default/rcS for the right UTC setting
13:46<DeepDayze>would it work for say, testing your own web pages?
13:47<slam>DeepDayze: hm, not really
13:47<fxiny>ths_: man tzconfig
13:47<DeepDayze>be like a simple web server for testing?
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13:47<ths_>fxiny, is UTC=yes correct?
13:47<streuner>ths_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
13:47<slam>DeepDayze: yes, you can use it for that - but better go for lighttpd
13:48<fxiny>ths_: nope
13:48<fxiny>ths_: =no
13:48<DeepDayze>ah, ok...thx
13:48<alessiog75>slam: about that lighttpd, have you tried it?
13:48<lupine_85>whether you want UTC or not depends on whether you also have Windows or another StupidOS installed
13:48<slam>alessiog75: sure - running it on commercial servers
13:48<streuner>dpkg, hi
13:48<dpkg>what's up
13:48<streuner>hm
13:49<alessiog75>slam: is that really fast and light than apache?
13:49<lupine_85>if you do - you don't want it
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13:49<slam>alessiog75: it is
13:49<lupine_85>if not, then you do
13:49<ths_>streuner, http://paste.debian.net/36679
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13:49<streuner>ths_: well, tzconfig isnt in lenny
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13:50<streuner>!setting time
13:50<dpkg>it has been said that setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong ...
13:50<streuner>!listvals tzconifg
13:50<dpkg>Factoid search of 'tzconifg' by value returned no results.
13:50<streuner>!listvals tzconfig
13:50<dpkg>Factoid search of 'tzconfig' by value (6): set time ;; timezone ;; est ;; dst change ;; setting time ;; ntp.
13:51<streuner>hm, its a dpkg-reconfigure thingie
13:51<streuner>(in order to set time in lenny)
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13:51<jcole>i've downloaded thousands of messages with thunderbird via pop... i've now got this huge mbox file and would like to extract all the attachements from all messages... is there a command line util that i can use to pull the photos, videos, etc. from all the emails?
13:52<streuner>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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13:53<alessiog75>slam: mmm, its use is increasing and apache is making the expenses of this, see september report of netcraft
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13:54<lupine_85>jcole: mailutils looks promising
13:54<streuner>dpkg, no set time is <reply> To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
13:54<dpkg>streuner: okay
13:54<lupine_85>well, if you can use Scheme
13:55<slam>alessiog75: for a good reason. lighthtpd does on good job on high traffic sites
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13:55<slam>alessiog75: and also does well on those modern vservers with minimal ram usage
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13:56<alessiog75>slam: yep, it's interesting
13:56<slam>alessiog75: so, if you don't need apache for it's features, it's a fine alternative
13:56<alessiog75>slam: pros and cons?
13:56<slam>alessiog75: pro: less memory usage, some fine config options apache does not provide
13:57<slam>alessiog75: con: not all the modules you might want are there
13:57<slam>alessiog75: con: you have to learn something different ;-)
13:57<alessiog75>slam: mmm, well, the lack of modules is due to its youth
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13:58<slam>alessiog75: yep. most is there, however. the usual stuff just works fine - php, python, etc.
13:58<jcole>lupine_85: hm, i'm wondering if mimeview can do the trick...
13:59<slam>alessiog75: i guess 99% of all web sites would run fine on it
13:59<alessiog75>slam: good, i'll give it a try on local soon, thx as always ;)
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14:01<slam>alessiog75: it's just an apt-get install away on debian :-)
14:01<alessiog75>slam: yep, I saw it ;)
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14:09<bucky>I have problem, I made a new user, I went to it, and I connect my usb harddisk it say, you do not have permission necessary to view the content of HDD3
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14:10<lupine_85>bucky: you need to add the user to the same group as the device file
14:10<lupine_85>which is 'disk'
14:11<bucky>sdb1 and sdb5
14:11<bucky>how to add them to the device file?
14:12<bucky>lupine_85
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14:14<lupine_85>bucky: usermod -a -G disk <username>
14:14<lupine_85>I think
14:14<lupine_85>you'd be advised to 'man usermod' to make sure
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14:15<lupine_85>and I think you need to relog to make the changes take effect
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14:17<bucky>lupine_85: the syntax seems not right because it said usermod: unknown group sdb5
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14:18<haldrik>hey guys, I invite you to vote on here http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=98 for Debian on Lenovo ThinkPads
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14:20<lupine_85>bucky: the group is 'disk', not sdb5
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14:22<ths_>hello witte
14:23<olivier>hello everyboby
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14:24<assem>updated to unstable a few days ago and now when i shutdown it complains about my disk not being spun down properly and told me to check out linux-ata.org?
14:24<assem>is there some kind of update for this ?
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14:26<ths_>can someone help me? i have just insert a cd which is windows server 2003 file for vmware workstation, i need this for the school
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14:26<ths_>but all what i get is an error message
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14:26<yso87>Hi
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14:27<yso87>how can I add the user to a group without removing it from the current group?
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14:27<yso87>lupine_85
14:27<mafioss>Hi
14:27<lupine_85>that's what -a does
14:28<lupine_85>assem: there's a page about it on linux-ata.org - read it
14:28<yso87>lupine_85: I add it the Disk group But still not work
14:28<olivier>I need some help here...! I have some probleme with my Ubuntu.... Can someone help me??
14:28<assem>i just did but there's no updates
14:28<lupine_85>did you relog?
14:28<simonrvn>olivier: #ubuntu
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14:28<yso87>lupine_85: yea, actually I did not use usermod, I couldn't , I made chgrp group file
14:29<ths_>can someone help me please?
14:29<piper2>ths_: don't be shy ask !!
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14:30<piper2>ah bathroom break got me behind :)
14:30<DeepDayze>lol
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14:30<ths_>piper2, i have just insert a cd which is windows server 2003 file for vmware workstation, i need this for the school
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14:31<ths_>piper2, i need that for school
14:31<yso87>lupine_85: in the sunopsis they said, usermod [option] Login. what is log in mean?
14:31<piper2>ths_: i don't use it i use vbox, maybe google or someone else here runs it
14:31<ths_>because we have that fucking shit --> windows server in school
14:31<lupine_85>you replace LOGIN with your actual login. Known as your user name
14:31<yso87>lupine_85: they did not give an example
14:31<ths_>piper2, no that's not the problem
14:32<ths_>piper2, the problem is to mount the disk
14:32<ths_>the dvd-rom
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14:32<assem>what the linuxata page doesn't outline very well is why suddenly there is a need for this workaround
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14:33<assem>and according to them it's the job of the distro guys to update ur packaged version of shutdown?
14:33<yso87>lupine_85: it giving me the --help page when I entered that
14:33<yso87>hupine_85: have you tried usermod?
14:33<simonrvn>adduser
14:33<ths_>piper2, do you know what i mean
14:33<ths_>?
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14:34<lupine_85>yso87: nope, I had a quick look at the manpage. IT looks clear enough: -a to append; -G <group> to specify the group to add; and the last argument is your username
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14:35<yso87>lupine_85: now it worked, i'm the stupied
14:35<ths_>piper2?
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14:36<piper2>ths_: i am googling because i don;t use vm
14:36<piper2>ths_: google is your friend, i don;t have the answer
14:36<lupine_85>vmware.. you have to modify one of the .vm?? files
14:36<ths_>piper2, i have a problem to mount the dvd and not with the vmware
14:36<yso87>lupine_85: I'll relogin
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14:37<lupine_85>there's the disk image file (.vmdk?) and another one, which specifies configuration options... including the location of the CDROM
14:37<ths_>lupine_85, i have a problem to mount the dvd and not with the vmware
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14:37<ths_>i will copy the files on the dvd on my pc
14:37<piper2>ths_: what do you mean, rom is not mounted by default
14:38<ths_>piper2, how can i mount a dvd??
14:38<lupine_85>mount /dev/dvd [-t <iso9660|udfudf> /path/to/mount/point
14:38<lupine_85>erm, -1 udf
14:38<piper2>yup -1 udf
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14:38<piper2>:)
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14:38<lupine_85>and +1...actually, I'll do it again. mount /dev/dvd [-t <iso9660|udf>] /path/to/mount/point
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14:39<fgh>how come there is no vlc package in Lenny?
14:39<lupine_85>also, /dev/dvd might not be appropriate
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14:39<lupine_85>fgh: there is? Filename: pool/main/v/vlc/vlc_0.8.6.c-3_i386.deb
14:39<ths_>lupine_85, piper2 http://paste.debian.net/36682
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14:40<lupine_85>was that as udf or as iso9660? either way, try the other one
14:40<ths_>which other one?
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14:41<lupine_85> [-t <iso9660|udf>] - [] indicates an optional field; <> a mandatory one. | indicates a choice between options
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14:42<sasha>hi after compiling a new kernel , i get each time the message , libcrypt 1.2.3 could not stat the resume deviece file press enter to boot
14:42<lupine_85>so if you choose to specify type, you must choose one of iso9660 or udf
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14:43<fgh>lupine_85: no, there is no vlc in lenny. not even the package-search-thing at debian.org finds a package for me.
14:43<ths_>he doesn't know the lupine_85 it was so simple: mount /dev/dvd /media/cdrom0
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14:43<ths_>lupine_85, thx
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14:46<lupine_85>fgh: hmm. whoops, I still have sid repos enabled. one tick
14:46<piper2>http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-i386/ works fine in stable & lenny
14:46<lupine_85>you're right: no vlc. so I guess you have to pull it from sid for the tiem being. As for why... not a clue
14:47<fgh>oki, where can i read about installing sid packages on a testing system?
14:48<fgh>or, can i just edit sources.list to point to sid then apt-get install vlc and then edit sources.list back again?
14:49<piper2>add: deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-i386/arch ./ to sources
14:49<lupine_85>that's the way I do it
14:49<piper2>gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys AA5F4DE6 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
14:49<piper2>then apt-get update
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15:01<waterman>anyone know of a media player that will play encrypted iso files
15:01<waterman>i.e. iso files of an encrypted dvd
15:02<fgh>vlc?
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15:02<piper2>should, i never had a problem
15:02<fgh>but it wont install on a testing system :(
15:02<waterman>hmm... it will kind of open it, but it doesn't work very well
15:02<waterman>seems to play through the whole dvd in about 2 seconds
15:03<piper2>works fine in sid also do apt-get install libdvdcss2 w32codecs
15:05<piper2>of course you need deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main in sources, you can chang it to stable instead of sid
15:05<newlx>after a time I could get gdm, I remove xorg and install xfree86, but I'm afraid that is I shutdown the system I would experience a black screen again, how can i be sure that everything is configure right??
15:05<piper2>newlx: huge downgrade with xfree86
15:07<michael_>Hi. I have a widescreen lcd monitor with the optimal resolution 1440x900. The 915resolution package cannot help. What can then?
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15:08<newlx>piper2: well I found another solution and works
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15:08<newlx>piper2: what should I do??
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15:10<piper2>newlx: me, i would start over from scratch, but, that is me, i don't run stable, don't really know it, sid is easier to fix, someone here can probably help you
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15:12<piper2>newlx: i just know that xorg 1.4 is awsome and that xfree86 is a downgrade compared to xorg
15:13<newlx>piper2: ok, I get that, I would start again, it is the best way to learn
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15:13<piper2>newlx: stick around though, someone might be able to help without reinstalling
15:14<waterman>hey, thanks. Awesome. I got them working in VLC
15:15<waterman>Thanks, I got them working in VLC
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15:15<fgh>grr, i want vlc :(
15:15<piper2>fgh do what i posted above, i see no reason why it won;t work
15:16<newlx>piper2: ok, but I do not want to use Win.... or Ubu...., no any more
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15:17<fgh>piper2: i get a gpg error
15:17<piper2>newlx: there is a learning curve and you might want to dual boot with windows for a little while til you get used to debian
15:17<piper2>fgh: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys AA5F4DE6
15:17<piper2>hit enter
15:18<piper2>then do
15:18<piper2>add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
15:18<piper2>hit enter and apt-get update
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15:21<fgh>"the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY"
15:21<piper2>you need deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main in sources
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15:22<newlx>piper2: I know I need win.... for a little time, but know the system made a upgrade, restart and I'm there on gdm
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15:22<piper2>fgh: sorry this one
15:22<piper2>deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-i386/arch ./
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15:23<fgh>i have
15:23<frank>fgh: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
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15:25<piper2>Get:3 http://nightlies.videolan.org ./ Packages [3186B]
15:25<piper2>Fetched 3188B in 1s (2072B/s)
15:25<piper2>Reading package lists... Done
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15:26<fgh>im new to secureapt, thats why it doesnt work.
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15:28<smoke>hi gentlemans :)
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15:29<Stephim>hi smoke
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15:29<smoke>Stephim: hi bro! :)
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15:32<smoke>brother, how can I uninstall kvirc?
15:32<smoke>kvirc sux...
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15:33<piper>apt-get remove --purge ?
15:33<Stephim>yeah just use apt-get remove or aptitude remove
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15:33<piper>well purge if you want config files gone also
15:33<smoke>thanks.. and whats the "best" irc client?
15:33<piper>konversation
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15:34<Stephim>To my mind the best one is Xchat :-)
15:34<lupine_85>debatable
15:34<smoke>hmm
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15:34<piper>ah i forget i am in gnome land :)
15:34<lupine_85>well, I use konversation
15:34<Stephim>piper, konversation is for KDE ?
15:35<smoke>ok, ill uninstall kvirc and install another, like bitchx :) thanks guys!
15:35<amphi>smoke: irssi
15:35<smoke>a lot of clients
15:35<fgh>W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
15:35<amphi>smoke: no, just one ;)
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15:35<lupine_85>one thing we can all agree on, I think, is that bitchx sucks :p
15:36<amphi>Stephim: ein volk, ein reich, ein client
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15:36[~]lupine_85 hides /quicky/
15:36<amphi>Stephim: sorry, misfire
15:36<Stephim>amphi was hast du gessagt ? lol
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15:36<lupine_85>quickly*
15:37<piper2>fgh: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
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15:37<piper>konversation - user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE
15:38<piper>Stephim: ^^^^^
15:38<fgh>piper2: ?
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15:38<smoke>yeah baby :)
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15:38<piper>fgh: you said above gpg errors
15:39<piper>fgh: you only need the last 8
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15:39<piper>of this 07DC563D1F41B907
15:39<fgh>so what should i do to get it working? :)
15:40<lupine_85>/facepalm
15:40<smoke>guys, im new in this "universe"... so if I make some stupid ask, sorry ok? :)
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15:40<lupine_85>irssi > bitchx :)
15:40<frank>fgh: why don't you read the wiki for secure apt
15:40<lupine_85>fgh: run "gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907"
15:40<piper>fgh: read above how i told you to do the keys and just switch the key
15:40<lupine_85>but note that it's a warning, not an error
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15:43<fgh>piper: http://www.pastebin.org/2064
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15:43<lupine_85>sounds like that repo is built against sid rather than etch
15:44<lupine_85>fgh: a few options. Forget it, or download and install that package from sid
15:44<tummyacid>what enviroment varible must i set to fix this: "svn: error: please check that your locale name is correct"
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15:44<lupine_85>the latter option could result in an interesting (and possibly painful) dependency cascade
15:44<tummyacid>im using english btw
15:44<piper>fgh: try apt-get install vlc vlc-nox
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15:44<fgh>lupine_85: maybe i should dist-upgrade to sid?
15:44<lupine_85>eh, if you completely understand what sid is, and are happy with that
15:45<frank>better not
15:45<piper>works fine in etch & lenny when i tested
15:45<lupine_85>if not, then it's not worth it for a stupid media player
15:45<lupine_85>another option is to compile it from source
15:45<newlx>piper2: I get again a black screen, should I made something wrong, I have 4 partition / , /usr , /home and /swap, actually I made 2 swap every one of 1gb, its this ok or not
15:45<fgh>i dont get it, its in etch and sid but not in lenny..
15:46<lupine_85>mm, it is a bit weird
15:46<piper>newlx: dont use seperate partitions for home and such, i have no time for that, i am busy building
15:46<piper>i don't use *
15:46<lupine_85>seperate partitions ftw
15:46<lupine_85>but only if they're LVMalised
15:48<piper>frank: are you the same frank at sidux or no ?
15:48<piper>ja, nein
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15:49<newlx>mmm at least /home should be apart o not??
15:49<piper>alot of people do
15:49<tummyacid>anyone know what wrong here: svn: error: environment variable LC_ALL is en
15:49<smoke>where can I find some themes to gnome?
15:50<frank>piper: i'm not in #sidux, but inside a net a name is unique
15:50<piper>but can be masked
15:51<frank>i'm talking about nick(name)
15:51<piper>frank: danke, just wondered if you were the same
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15:52<tcsetattr>tummyacid, it probably means that "en" is not a valid locale on your system
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15:53<lupine_85>en_GB.UTF-8 ftw
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15:54<tummyacid>can anyone suggest how i might find out what would constitute a valid local on my system?
15:54<tcsetattr>"locale -a" will list thema
15:54<jclinton>Hello everyone: I'm trying to teach myself about the Debian kernel build process by building 2.6.23 from source. I have succeeded in this but I need a kbuild that matches and I'm having trouble figuring out where to get pristine kbuild source tarballs. Does anyone know?
15:54<lupine_85>hey, what's the "POSIX" locale?
15:54<tcsetattr>you can add more by apt-get install locales, or dpkg-reconfigure locales
15:54<jclinton>lupine_85: that's the lang code "C"
15:55<jclinton>lupine_85: ie, no translations (usually English)
15:55<tcsetattr>"POSIX" locale selects the basic behavior defined by POSIX. all others are system-dependent
15:55<lupine_85>ah, identical to the C locale? Because I have that too
15:55<lupine_85>hooray for compatibility glue :)
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15:56<tim>in Xen, is it possible to run x86-32 domU in a x86-64 dom0?
15:57<tummyacid>i used apt-get install locals and it seems to have fixed myprob, thank you guys!
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15:57<Deltantor>Hey guys, is there any way to make the middle mouse button behave like it does in ms windows?
15:57<lupine_85>tim: yes
15:58<newlx>should I use 2 swap partition of 1gb??
15:58<lupine_85>newlx: there's no advantage to having seperate swap partitions
15:58<tummyacid>nope, now its totally borked
15:58<tummyacid>wonteven run dpkg-reconfigure locales
15:59<tummyacid> en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
15:59<lupine_85>heh. To fix temporarily, you can run LANG=C <a command here>
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16:00<lupine_85>with that, you should be able to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and get some locales selected
16:00<newlx>lupine_85: Thanks
16:00<jclinton>tummyacid: your locale should be "en_US" or "en_GB"
16:00<tcsetattr>you should get rid of your LC_ALL=en environment variable.
16:00<lupine_85>or en_AU, or...
16:00<piper>Deltantor: maybe imwheel works great on my 8 button mouse
16:00<jclinton>there is no "en"
16:00<lupine_85>or en_TX ;)
16:00<jclinton>god forbid...
16:01<lupine_85>in all seriousness, some distributions do let you use 'en'
16:01<lupine_85>it's generally a symlink to en_US
16:01<piper>hehe
16:01<tcsetattr>there was once a version of RedHat released with "Redneck English" as an option in the installer.
16:01<lupine_85>which is a bit weird, given that en_GB is the superior version
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16:02<tim>lupine_85: thx!
16:02<tcsetattr>not a derivative of redhat... one of their actual official releases.
16:02<lupine_85>tcsetattr: they always had a sense of humor...
16:02<lupine_85>rpm is a prime example of that.
16:02<piper>very true :)
16:02<lupine_85>I should start a geek stand-up comedy circuity
16:02<piper>lol
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16:03<newlx>THX for the Help, see you later!!
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16:04<piper>for locals we use en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 for US
16:05<jclinton>yes that's the default for Etch
16:05<jclinton>or rather, the UTF-8-ized version of a locale
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16:06<lupine_85>I couldn't cope without UTF-8 these days
16:06<piper>what about UUID
16:06<lupine_85>UUID makes me sick
16:06<jclinton>which is really quite nice; i can rip Russian CD's and the Cyrillic alphabet in the file names appears perfectly in all applications
16:06<piper>its great :)
16:06<lupine_85>UUID ftl
16:06<piper>hehe
16:06<jclinton>UUID as in the filesystem UUID?
16:07<lupine_85>"/dev/mapper/main-home" is how I like my devices to appear
16:07<lupine_85>although, LVM does use the UUID /automatically/, meaning I never have to /see/ the accursed things
16:07<lupine_85>I can live with that
16:07<jclinton>a better way is the use GPT partition tables which allow meaniful names for partitions
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16:08<jclinton>then you do /dev/disk-byname/
16:08<jclinton>or something like that
16:08<lupine_85>well, you can give most partitions labels anyway
16:08<jclinton>also compatible with Vista and MacOS X
16:08<jclinton>not in MS-DOS part tables
16:08<piper>UUID=a96da24c-1a33-40c6-ae37-544e7e1362a5 /media/sdb10
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16:08<lupine_85>they're /so/ legible
16:08<piper>for ntfs
16:09<piper>its like /dev/disk/by-uuid/A024117224114CA2 /media/sdb1 ntfs
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16:09<jclinton>if you made the NTFS filesystem with Vista, it gives you the option to do a GPT partition table
16:09<piper>fat is /dev/disk/by-uuid/4570-56CC /media/sdb11 vfat
16:09<jclinton>and you can name it in Windows Volume Manager thingy
16:09<piper>i use vista with vbox
16:09<jclinton>then it's /dev/disk/by-name/myname
16:09<lupine_85>to me, they just fail to be useful at a wetware level in every possible respect
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16:10<piper> this is vista /dev/disk/by-uuid/84A86CF2A86CE460 /media/sda1 ntfs auto,users,exec,ro,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,nls=utf8
16:10<jclinton>are you using a GPT partition table, piper?
16:10<piper>just grub
16:11<jclinton>no, that's the boot loader
16:11<jclinton>is this Vista 32 or 64?
16:11<jclinton>32 cannot boot from a GPT part table
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16:11<piper>oh no i am not using gpt
16:11<piper>32 bit
16:11<jclinton>i'm using 64 here and everything is by name
16:11<piper>i have both
16:12<jclinton>on GPT partition tables
16:12<piper>no
16:12<piper>no need for it here
16:13<noobsh>guys, I install debian, but on initial screen (screen that we choose the system) shows 4 linux (2 normal and 2 single-user), how can I correct this error, please?
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16:13<lupine_85>noobsh: uninstall the old kernel
16:13<jclinton>noobsh: 2 of the 4 are older kernels
16:14<jclinton>noobsh: the single user mode is for a sort of "rescue mode" in case something goes wrong
16:14<noobsh>how can I do it? im extreme lame :\
16:14<jclinton>:)
16:14<lupine_85>apt-get remove linux-image-(older kernel version here)
16:15<jclinton>noobsh: in your debian system type "sudo aptitude search linux-image~i"
16:15<noobsh>ok, but how I can find this info, please?
16:15<lupine_85>generally doesn't hurt to leave them in, though
16:15<noobsh>ah ok
16:15<jclinton>it will display all installed linux-image files
16:15<stroyan>noobsh: It isn't really an error. If you can manage to edit a file you can change /boot/grub/menu.lst and uncomment #hiddenmenu by removing the #
16:15<jclinton>when you find the name of the old one, type "sudo aptitude purge linux-image-version"
16:16<noobsh>sudo dont works :T
16:16<jclinton>noobsh: be sure you do not remove them both or you will not be able to boot
16:17<jclinton>noobsh: type "su -" then to become the root user
16:17<noobsh>I was a root
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16:17<noobsh>and nothing :Y
16:17<jclinton>then ignore the sudo
16:17<jclinton>do the commands without "sudo"
16:17<noobsh>press enter and nothign happen
16:17<noobsh>where can I past?
16:17<jclinton>aptitude search linux-image~i
16:18<jclinton>type that exactly
16:18<noobsh>where can I past the list of things I got?
16:18<jclinton>you shoudl only have two
16:18<jclinton>or three lines, actually
16:18<noobsh>3 :T
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16:18<jclinton>i A linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 - Linux 2.6.22 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PI
16:18<jclinton>like that
16:18<jclinton>?
16:18<noobsh>hm
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16:18<noobsh>i linux-image-2.6-486 - Linux kernel 2.6 image on x86
16:19<noobsh>and another 2 lines
16:19<jclinton>that is the metapackage
16:19<jclinton>is this Debian Etch?
16:19<noobsh>netinst
16:19<jclinton>ie. Debian 4.0r1?
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16:20<noobsh>ĩ dont know, I get netinst 3 hour ago
16:20<dougiefresh>hey I havea wierd problem
16:20<jclinton>so you have linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 or something?
16:20<dougiefresh>I was in the middle of updating my debian box when I canceled it and now I can't seem to write anything to the file system
16:20<jclinton>dougiefresh: well that was dumb
16:21<dougiefresh>yea thanks, it was an accident
16:21<jclinton>dougiefresh: "i shot myself in the face with a shotgun, what should i do?"
16:21<lupine_85>dougiefresh: what happens when you try to write to the file system? any sort of error message?
16:21<dougiefresh>yea
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16:22<noobsh>jclinton,
16:22<petemc>jclinton: no need to be so judgmental
16:22<dougiefresh> touch blah
16:22<dougiefresh>touch: cannot touch `blah': Read-only file system
16:22<noobsh>I have i linux-image-2.6-486 - Linux kernel 2.6 image on x86
16:22<lupine_85>well, sounds like the fs has been remounted ro... which is odd
16:22<noobsh>and another 2 lines like this
16:22<dougiefresh>whats wierd is I've rebooted a couple times.
16:23<lupine_85>can you get it to fsck on boot for you?
16:23<lupine_85>(shutdown -F)
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16:23<jclinton>regardless of what it is doing, dougiefresh, you need to boot to a rescue CD, mount the filesystem and then try to recover with "dpkg --configure --pending"
16:24<tcsetattr>as long as it's moutned readonly, you can just fsck it right now
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16:24<lupine_85>something (more risky) that you could try is to remount rw, then continue the install
16:24<noobsh>jclinton, so brother, what can I do?
16:24<jclinton>it's not a fsck problem
16:24<lupine_85>s/install/upgrade/
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16:24<jclinton>noobsh: you need to purge the oldest one
16:24<jclinton>noobsh: it's one of those last two lines
16:24<noobsh>ok but all the lines
16:24<noobsh>is
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16:25<noobsh>can I send you in private the lines?
16:25<dougiefresh>I figured that. its in my garage behind a barcade of boxes etc.etc.
16:25<jclinton>noobsh: yes
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16:25<jclinton>dougiefresh: that's all you can do
16:25<dougiefresh>means I'll have to break out the climbing clear to get to it :)
16:25<dougiefresh>so I shouldn't try a shutdown -F
16:25<dougiefresh>?
16:25<lupine_85>at least you still know where it is :)
16:25[~]lupine_85 would still fsck it anyway
16:25<dougiefresh>lupine: no doubt
16:26<jclinton>dougiefresh: if it's mounted readonly, turning it off is fine
16:26<jclinton>i'm guessing its not actually mounted at all
16:26<noobsh>jclinton, got it?
16:26<jclinton>noobsh: looking
16:26<noobsh>jclinton, ty
16:26<tcsetattr>shutdown -F is just gonna try to touch /forcefsck which will fail anyway
16:26<jclinton>noobsh: "aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.18-4-486"
16:27<dougiefresh>tcs: what you think I should do?
16:27<lupine_85>oh, is that how -F works? :D
16:27[~]lupine_85 == teh n00b
16:27<noobsh>got it
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16:27<jclinton>noobsh: after you do this, only 2 boot menu options will be left
16:27<jclinton>noobsh: this is not automatic so that you can always go back to a working kernel if the newest one fails to work for your hardware
16:27<noobsh>thank you so much! :)
16:28<dougiefresh>when I type it mount its says /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
16:28<noobsh>and a personal question.. whats the best graphic interface?
16:28<ranix>ncurses
16:28<jclinton>noobsh: the best desktop environment?
16:28<noobsh>yes
16:28<noobsh>hm like
16:28<jclinton>noobsh: they all suck but gnome sucks the least
16:28<noobsh>gnome, kde, blackbox, etc..
16:28<ranix>jclinton: too late I beat you to it
16:28<noobsh>for customization
16:29<lupine_85>kde ftw
16:29<ranix>XFCE
16:29<lupine_85>so many options
16:29<dougiefresh>perhaps it asn't stopping it in middle of a update perhaps there were errors or something.
16:29<jclinton>linux on the desktop is a painful kludge, no matter what, noobsh
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16:29<ranix>that is lies
16:29<noobsh>nice1, jclinton
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16:29<lupine_85>well, being remounted ro is a symptom of errors being detected
16:30<lupine_85>so i would still fsck it... remount rw, then shutdown -F ?
16:30<lupine_85>and linux on the desktop works OK here
16:30<lupine_85>hardly kludgy at al
16:30[~]jclinton is a Gnome module maintainer
16:30<jclinton>i beg to differ
16:30<lupine_85>hang on, I need to get some more eDuctTape
16:30<lupine_85>well. Maybe *GNOME* is kludgy... ;)
16:30<noobsh>firefox is good?
16:31<jclinton>noobsh: firefox or epiphany
16:31<jclinton>i think epiphany crashes less
16:31<noobsh>I have default browser, iceweasel... looks suck!
16:31<jdhore>I'm having a problem with CPU Scaling...I'm currently using the ondemand CPU frequency module, but whenever something is compiling or using 100% CPU for a little while (like 5 minutes), the system goes REALLY laggy and even after i stop or finish the compile (or whatever), the system is STILL laggy for about another 5-10 minutes
16:31<jclinton>due to the UI being in actual toolkit instead of XUL
16:31<piper2> jclinton eek :)
16:31<piper2> Gnome module maintainer
16:31<piper2>humour
16:31<piper2>fix sid
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16:32<jdhore>Oh, and with that, i'm running the 2.6.22-2 kernel
16:32<jclinton>i'm not a debian developer
16:32<jclinton>I work on upstream Gnome
16:32<lupine_85>decided what GNOME 3.0 is going to be yet? ;)
16:32<jclinton>there is no Gnome 3.0
16:33<lupine_85>hence the future tense
16:33<jclinton>our plans for world domination are to incrementally improve gnome 2.x
16:33<lupine_85>asymptomatically?
16:33<piper2>no comment :)
16:33<jclinton>since GTK-2 has no major flaws, there's no need to throw it out the window
16:33[~]piper2 kde guy
16:34<noobsh>hmmm.... kde or gnome?
16:34<jclinton>so we are simply fixing Gtk-2 incrementally
16:34<lupine_85>it worked for TeX
16:34<jclinton>if a Gtk-3 every happens, that would be GNOME 3.0
16:34<piper2>we cant use gnome in our distro, it breaks often
16:34<jclinton>s/every/ever
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16:35<lupine_85>standing still is a commendable strategy
16:35<jclinton>i don't have anything against KDE
16:35<jclinton>i use it from time to time
16:35<jclinton>i just think KDE 4 has hurt their progress so much
16:35<jclinton>looking at screenshots of KDE 4 beta 2 is painful
16:36<lupine_85>well, it's a beta
16:36<jclinton>Konqueror is a beautiful application
16:36<piper>i have not had time to test, to busy with sidux at the moment, but yes, very beta yet
16:36<jclinton>it's too bad that it's releases were stunted for 2 years because of the Qt 4.x transition
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16:38<lupine_85>Qt4 is meant to be pretty fast....
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16:38<lupine_85>not that I found KDE anything less than zippy anyway
16:39<lupine_85>Looks a bit windows-y, though. Especially the file dialogues
16:39<jclinton>oh i don't disagree
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16:39<jclinton>it's just that the transition has cost them so much
16:39<jclinton>in terms of man-hours, progress, etc
16:39<jclinton>hopefully it turns out to be worth it
16:39<lupine_85>at least they have a goal :)
16:40<jclinton>at the moment it's really quite bad
16:40<jclinton>but it could get better
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16:40<piper>lots of things in general can be better in linux period, but, it has come a long way
16:41<jclinton>personally, i think still suck at printing
16:41<jclinton>which is just pathetic
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16:41<piper>much easier for newer people more than ever, that is a big +
16:41<jclinton>s/still/we still/
16:41<lupine_85>support is... still patchy in places
16:41<piper>printing is easy
16:42<lupine_85>if you have HP, then you're away
16:42<piper>brother, hp, etc
16:42<jclinton>CUPS pisses me off so much
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16:42<piper>brother is also great
16:42<lupine_85>although learning all about filters is a bit of a pain
16:42<lupine_85>jclinton: beats /dev/lp0
16:42<piper>yes can be
16:42<jclinton>i went to add a printer two weeks ago on Vista box and CUPS STILL has "smb print back end has died" instead of any meaningful error message
16:42<piper>every year though linux gets better and better in general :)
16:42<noobsh>Gentlemans, how can I access my fat32 partition? Hes visible, but not acessable...
16:43<jclinton>same reason JWZ switched to Mac 2 years ago
16:43<lupine_85>that's pretty meaningful to me
16:43<lupine_85>although "why" would be a good addition to it
16:43<piper>linux is much better than vista period for just about everything
16:43<jclinton>lupine_85: no, the error message was buried deep in some log file
16:43<jclinton>lupine_85: something about certificates
16:44<jclinton>piper: again, linux on the desktop suck but not as badly as it sucks on Windows :)
16:44<piper>at sidux we recommend using http://localhost:631/ for configuring a printer
16:44<jclinton>the ALSA audio mess is another prime exactly
16:44<piper>jclinton: hehe
16:44<lupine_85>mm, audio is a bit of a pain, I'll give you that
16:44<jclinton>s/exactly/example
16:45<piper>yes, big problem especially with intel
16:45<jclinton>and dmix was looking so good but now PulseAudio has come along to replace ESD and arts
16:45<jclinton>so who knows what will happen
16:45<piper>true
16:46<jclinton>and after 5 years, you still can use web sites that have Javascript menus if the menu pops up over a flash animation
16:46<jclinton>s/can/can't
16:47<piper>good point
16:47<jclinton>i want to stab myself in the face with a pen every time i end up on such a web site
16:47<noobsh>be right back
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16:47<piper>hehe
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16:50<noobsh>gentlemans, how can I mount my fat32 partition? please?
16:51<tcsetattr>mount -t vfat /dev/$SOMETHING /$SOMEWHERE
16:51<noobsh>hmm
16:52<noobsh>whats the meaning of /dev/something?
16:52<lupine_85>in /dev are files that are actually devices
16:52<lupine_85>in linux, everything is a file
16:52<noobsh>Its visible, buts not acessable :T
16:53<tcsetattr>I have no idea what definition of "visible" you're using.
16:53<noobsh>the name of partition is "downloads".. so mount -t vfat /dev/downloads /mnt/downloads ?
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16:54<noobsh>tcsetattr, I can see it, but I cant open it.
16:54<lupine_85>noobsh: does the device file /dev/downloads exist?
16:55<noobsh>I see in the fstab and I dont have devices
16:55<noobsh>to.. mount the fat32
16:55<noobsh>I think
16:55<jclinton>do this: "fdisk -l /dev/sda"
16:55<noobsh>where can I see the devices?
16:55<jclinton>see if it prints out your partition table
16:55<noobsh>hmmm
16:55<jclinton>or try: "fdisk -l /dev/hda"
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16:56<noobsh>nice, mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /mnt/downloads
16:56<jclinton>yes
16:56<noobsh>nice, you rocks guys!
16:57<noobsh>hmm mount point /mnt/downloads does not exist :T
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16:57<tcsetattr>you have to make a directory where you want it mounted, then you moutn on it.
16:58<tcsetattr>/mnt/downloads is a good enough name, just mkdir it first
16:58<noobsh>oh, ok, lets try it
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16:58<noobsh>hmmm now is ok I think
16:58<noobsh>nope :T
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16:59<noobsh>yeah baby, yeah ;)
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17:06<noobsh>thanks guys!!
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17:12<kop>The expr(1) man page says it's full doc is as an info file, but info displays the man page. expr is part of coreutils. I don't see a coreutils-doc or anything. Where is the info page?
17:15<tcsetattr>victim of the anti-GFDL insanity, perhaps?
17:16<tcsetattr>do you have a /usr/share/info/coreutils.info.gz?
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17:17<chealer>kop: the manpage is wrong/outdated; $ info coreutils expr
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17:20<yves>Hello ! Guess what ? KDM doesn't handle passwords with a dollar sign in them; shall I do a bug report ?
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17:21<tcsetattr>ha. dollar sign. I wonder what the hell it's doing with it.
17:21<chealer>yves: ask #debian-kde
17:22<tcsetattr>password being put on a shell command line? (and unquoted as a bonus?)
17:22<yves>tcsetattr: I had to tweak a little to find this out, I'm pretty surprized
17:22<yves>I'll ask to #debian-kde
17:22<tcsetattr>it hints at a security problem of some sort
17:22<lupine_85>yves: you should quote the full password in the bug report
17:23<lupine_85>and link the bug report here for me to review
17:23<yves>hehe
17:23<lupine_85>also, make sure you're running ssh
17:23<yves>and dont change my pass of course :)
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17:23<lupine_85>well, that would defeat the object
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17:23<lupine_85>also make sure that all your good media is neatly labelled and easy to find, and that all your music is correctly id3v2 tagged
17:24<lupine_85>thank you :)
17:24<tcsetattr>I wanna put a tab character in my password. See how many dumb graphical programs get messed up by that
17:24<lupine_85>hehe. quite a few. How about \n ?
17:24<yves>lupine_85: I'm sorry I can't do this : my music isn't properly tagged :p
17:24<lupine_85>Well, get to it!
17:25<lupine_85>it is, actually, quite an interesting problem
17:25<lupine_85>switch to xdm in the meantime?
17:26<kop>chealer: Thanks. (Now I recall having done that once, somehow.)
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17:28<tcsetattr>it is an interesting problem... I'd try to investigate it, but there are so many ugly dependencies
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17:29<yves>I changed my passwd in the meanwhile
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17:33<Deltantor>Hmm, whats the command to open up the gnome control panel? for some reason its not on the menu
17:34<yves>Deltantor: gnome-control-panel ?
17:35<Deltantor>Thats not it
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17:35<yves>Deltantor: sorry I don't know. Bye everybody !
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17:38<JasonS>Deltantor: gnome-control-center
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17:39<Deltantor>awesome, thanks
17:43<lupine_85>hehe
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17:43<lupine_85>!england
17:43<dpkg>somebody said england was england rox. it is probably the best place in the world to live, except for the Netherlands, of course
17:43<lupine_85>!america
17:43<dpkg>methinks america is based on its ideal that everyone should be as similar as possible, or the most powerful nation in the capitalist world, and now, the whole world, or a shithouse country run by evil dictator-like leaders, or evil country with crazy patent law
17:43<@Ganneff>stop playing with the bot please. use /msg for it.
17:43<lupine_85>I did... but I felt the need to share that gem
17:45<piper2> houses cost too much, many things cost too much, i have been around, my fiancee lives in england moving here in dec
17:45<piper2>but, to each his/her own :)
17:45<lupine_85>eh, I loev paying over the odds for things. Because then I can say that because it was more expensive, it's better
17:46<lupine_85></sarcasm> </logical_fallacy>
17:46<piper2>no, it does not mean that, look at the size of the place
17:46<piper2>hehe, i have been all around the world
17:47<@Ganneff>and what does that have to do with #debian?
17:47<piper2>uh oh das boot
17:47<lupine_85>do you want me to spend several hours laboriously - and wordily - constructing an elaborate link?
17:47<Deltantor>Whats the command for the gnome menu editor?
17:48<piper2>lupine_85: :):)
17:48<@Ganneff>i want you to stay ontopic...
17:49<lupine_85>fair enough
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17:52<ths_>where can i find the headers for gtk+?
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17:52<ths_>because i need the headers for installing the linuxdcpp program
17:53<lupine_85>libgtk2.0-dev - Development files for the GTK+ library
17:53<kirkroy>hay, after failing to get debian to use a new graphics card with Xwin, I decided to use the old one for now. Unfortunately, the computer no longer lets me see anything after startup.
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17:54<kirkroy>I think the answer's in etc/X11, but I can't remember anything ater that,
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17:55<kirkroy>anyone know why when WinX starts none of the terminal windows display?
17:56<ths_>lupine_85, i get an error message
17:56<lupine_85>which is...?
17:56<ths_>lupine_85, http://paste.debian.net/36692
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17:57<ths_>lupine_85, do you know what it is?
17:58<lupine_85>it's certainly interesting
17:58<ths_>and what can i do?
17:58<lupine_85>trying to install the listed packages will either succeed, or give you a more verbose error message
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17:59<tcsetattr>you have a messed-up sources.list, or you've hit a bad debian mirror, or you haven't apt-get updated lately
17:59<ths_>lupine_85, another errors
17:59<ths_>but why can i find the version number of gtk??
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18:00<ths_>where can i find the version number of gtk?
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18:00<kirkroy>anyone know why when WinX starts none of the terminal windows display?
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18:01<kirkroy>cls
18:02<ths_>anyone know where can i find the version of gtk?
18:03<tcsetattr>fix your sources.list and run apt-get update
18:03<kirkroy>anyone know why when WinX starts none of the terminal windows display?
18:04<ths_>tcsetattr, i've done that, but where can i find the version of gtk?
18:04<kirkroy>nevermind, I got it.
18:04<kirkroy>*bow*
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18:05<tcsetattr>which version? the one you have installed? the one you're trying to install?
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18:06<ths_>tcsetattr, the version which is installed
18:07<tcsetattr>run dpkg -l | grep gtk
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18:13<ths_>tcsetattr, i must install gtk+ >= 2.6 but why?
18:14<ths_>!gtk+
18:14<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gtk+ is the GIMP ToolKit - http://www.gtk.org/, or the best, cleanest, most stable high-level ui toolkit out there.
18:14<n00bsh>guys, where can I find the folder of gkrellm?
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18:15<tcsetattr>that should be much of a problem considering how gtk 2.8.20 is in stable
18:15<tcsetattr>that shouldn't be much of a problem!
18:15<tcsetattr>damn.
18:16<ths_>tcsetattr, and how can i install gtk 2.8.20?
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18:17<ths_>!gtk2.8.20
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18:17<tcsetattr>read a book or something. I'm tired of these questions leading nowhere.
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18:19<cire>I have a (old and cheap) laptop, and recognized a strange behaviour: even if I run burnK7 or similiar, temperature remains for a long time at 45°C. But after a few seconds of heavy load the fan starts. There's no change in temperature (proc/acpi/thermal...)
18:20<cire>Does the fan speed epend of the cpu load? Not on the CPU temp? Is this possible?
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18:21<ths_>can someone please say me, how i can install the gtk2.8.20?
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18:35<mtretin>Hey, I installed java using the java-package and the newest version of the sun SDK, iceweasel sees the java plugins, but when I try to vew an applet there is nothing but whitespace?
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18:38<piper>mtretin: maybe try update-alternatives --config java
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18:39<mtretin>piper, I don't understand much about the Debian alt. system, but I tried update-alternative --auto java,
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18:41<piper>mtretin: i haven't used "auto" in update-alternative --auto java but option # 2 should give you something like this but sdk instead of jre
18:41<piper>this /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
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18:42<elvis2>anyone know how to make a 400 gig usb drive read write i currently only have read only
18:42<piper>mtretin: not sure how this works in stable, should be ok
18:42<zaphir>hola...
18:43<mtretin>piper, In stable I have everything working just great -- I think it might be iceweasel
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18:44<mtretin>I think I'll try it with iceape
18:44<mtretin>maybe it's just the browser
18:44<theboina>it's NTFS elvis2?
18:44<zaphir>Hello all... somebody has installed j2ee on Etch?
18:44<wycked>hi all
18:44<elvis2>yes
18:45<piper>mtretin: might want to try update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and make sure iceweasel is default
18:45<mtretin>aiight, lets see how that works
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18:45<elvis2>it is a maxtor 400 gig external hard drive powered by plug runs of usb
18:46<mtretin>elvis2, I think NTFS only has RO support w/ experimental RW
18:46<LiquidLithium>this is a silly question, but how can i find out what kind of encryption an application is using for communication?
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18:46<piper>http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html
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18:49<wycked>I've a little trouble : I have to run alsaconf at all boot if I want to use my sound card. How can I do to make alsa run my driver at boot ?
18:49<wycked>:/
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18:51<dli>wycked, it should be auto. apt-get install alsa-utils
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18:52<wycked>dli> alsa-utils has been installed
18:52<wycked>have :/
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18:52<wycked>oh damn
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18:53<wycked>dli> I was sure that I had install alsa-utils but it says that I didn't
18:53<wycked>:/
18:53<ranix>Is there a way to force the kernel framebuffer to rotate the screen 90 degrees counter-clockwise?
18:54<Guest3134>Hi there!
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18:56<Guest3135>Hello!
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19:00<n00bsh>how can I run gkrellm without show it in the "taskbar" ?
19:00<amphi>n00bsh: does gkrellm -w do it?
19:00<n00bsh>ok but I have the "shortcut", can I edit?
19:01<amphi>I would hope so
19:02<n00bsh>I dont know how can I do it, dont show an option to I edit the settings to run..
19:03<elvis2>brb
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19:17<n00bsh>bye ppl, ty for the tips ;)
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19:27<raven_claw_4004>Hello?
19:27<lupine_85>hello, clarisse
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19:28[~]ricky fetches the fava beans.
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19:29<raven_claw_4004>hello?
19:29<ricky>Darn.. it was Clarise :(
19:30<lupine_85>sit yourself down. I have some nice chianti wine :)
19:30<lupine_85>j/k. What's up?
19:30<raven_claw_4004>Who can tell me how to reenter a Vi-Session with an opened, but not yet saved file? My putty session interrupted, but my vi session is still alive!
19:30<ricky>raven_claw_4004: It probably saved a .swp file, so you should be able to recover it.
19:30<ricky>Just vi the file again and press r.
19:30<ricky>Then save it, and delete the old swp file after you're done.
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19:35<elvis2>ok another q this time it is how do i get automatix to run in etch when i get the error this version pf automatix is for debian 4.0r0 only ?
19:36<ricky>Hm.. I've heard taht automatix is something to.. avoid.
19:36<ricky>!automatix
19:36<dpkg>Automatix is a Ubuntu Linux-only tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 44 different 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Acrobat Reader, w32 codecs (divx, mp3, wma), web core fonts as well as programming compilers and more. These items are not shipped with Ubuntu for legal or philosophical reasons. --Wikipedia. Ubuntu also dislikes it: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
19:36<ricky>Ah, or that.
19:37<gravity>automatix isn't ubuntu-only
19:37<ricky>raven_claw_4004: (I'd rather discuss this in channel): regardless of whether the process is still running, you should have a .swp file that will allow you to get your changes back.
19:37<elvis2>na there is debian
19:37<ricky>gravity: Ah, I had no idea- somebody may need to update the factoid, then :)
19:37<elvis2>http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation#Installing_Automatix2_on_Debian_4.0_i386_.28Etch.29
19:37<JasonS>doesnt seem to be in stable mind you
19:38<lupine_85>automatix ftl
19:38<gravity>True enough
19:38<lupine_85>even if they do have a debian-specific module, I'd trust it about as much as an M-class planet full of cardassians
19:40<piper>i thought automatix was for windows :)
19:40<elvis2>i only want it to test the ntfs support
19:40<lupine_85>!ntfs-3g
19:40<dpkg>i heard ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports)
19:40<piper>ntfs-3g
19:41<lupine_85>Why not just Do It Yourself?
19:41<lupine_85>And save yourself all the inevitable pain
19:41<amphi>!automatix
19:41<dpkg>Automatix is a Ubuntu Linux-only tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 44 different 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Acrobat Reader, w32 codecs (divx, mp3, wma), web core fonts as well as programming compilers and more. These items are not shipped with Ubuntu for legal or philosophical reasons. --Wikipedia. Ubuntu also dislikes it: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
19:41<lupine_85>!PoS
19:41<dpkg>somebody said pos was defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale
19:41<elvis2>i have 3g installed
19:41<lupine_85>automatix is the former
19:41<piper>hehe
19:41<piper>so is dog brown
19:41<amphi>the link at the end of the factoid is an eye-opener, not to say an eyebrow-raiser
19:41<piper>but, another time and channel :)
19:42<gravity>mjg59 rox
19:42<lupine_85>elvis2: all automatix does is install it. if it's already installed, automatix won'thelp
19:42<elvis2>:(
19:42<lupine_85>you could always ask some fine, knowledgeable people for help with configuring it...
19:43<lupine_85>although I can't, offhand, think of a large group (say, 266 individuals) who would be in a position to help a debian-using person with problems
19:43<elvis2>all i want to do is read write and it seems not to work
19:43<elvis2>lupine_85 i was in 15 mins ago with same problem tryed 3g and rebooted and fiddled cant get anywere :(
19:43<lupine_85>yep, so maybe you should provide some error messages if you have them?
19:44<piper>i only know using uuid :)
19:44<piper>sad
19:44<elvis2>lupine it is mounted it is just readonly which is no use to me
19:44<bloodskin>how would i open a folder in grub as root while im signed in as a normal user
19:44<lupine_85>piper: you realise that the UUIDs you put into /etc/fstab just reference the symlinks in /dev/disk, which in turn point to standard device files?
19:44<bloodskin>i need to delete a few things from my ipods linux partition
19:45<piper>lupine_85: yes, i do :)
19:45<elvis2>lupine_85 what error message u needing as i only have a read only one when trying to delete a file
19:46<lupine_85>elvis2: I assume you either don't have the ntfs/fuse module loaded, or you do but need to pass it some option to make it rw
19:46<lupine_85>either way, have you tried using ntfs-config - NTFS Config?
19:46<elvis2>??
19:46<elvis2>i am new to this :)
19:46<lupine_85>it's a package in (at least) lenny. Looks like it configures your ntfs devices for you
19:47<lupine_85>oh, wait. It's not in debian main
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19:47<lupine_85>nanolx? wtf are they?
19:47<elvis2>the permission could not be changed sorry, couldnot change the permissions of "372.6 GB Volume" both in user and root
19:48<elvis2>both in user and root is not part of the error message added that on the end to inform u that it dont work in either
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19:49<tcsetattr>it's not true that mount-by-UUID in fstab is referring to the /dev/disk/* devfs/udev cruft. mount has support for UUIDs and LABELs built in.
19:49<bloodskin>how would i open a folder in grub as root while im signed in as a normal user
19:49<lupine_85>oh, fair enough
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19:50<lupine_85>bloodskin: in a terminal, just su - (or sudo su -) to get a root, then do whatever you like in the directory
19:50<lupine_85>elvis2: mm. not particularly helpful, and ntfs-config isn't available in mainstream debian yet, by the looks of it
19:50<bloodskin>thank you
19:51<lupine_85>you could... compile it yourself? http://flomertens.free.fr/ntfs-config/screen.html
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19:51<comtom>alguien de argentina?
19:52<amphi>!es
19:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:52<piper>tcsetattr: yes example ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
19:52<elvis2>lupine_85, that is for ubuntu?
19:52<bloodskin>i type su - and nothing happens. sudo - gets me a list of commands but none appear to be open a folder
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19:53<bloodskin>ooooooo, nvm
19:53<lupine_85>elvis2: the source is distro-independent
19:53<elvis2>ok
19:53<lupine_85>the provided .deb files are for ubuntu; it's recommended you don't install them
19:54<elvis2>ok
19:54<elvis2>so use the source?
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19:55<comtom>ok. thanks dpkg!
19:55<piper>lupine_85: ah, so stable don't recommend ub .debs either, i didn't know that
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19:57<elvis2>checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
19:57<elvis2> <--- what that mean i thought i had perl installed?
19:58<tcsetattr>there are a bazillion perl modules. you can't have them ALL installed
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19:58<elvis2>ok what one is that asking for?
19:58<tcsetattr>it's asking for XML::Parser!
19:59<comtom>does anybody know what is the version of gnome in debian testing (i think it's Lenny)
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20:00<bloodskin>whats the delete folder command
20:00<gsimmons>elvis2: It's provided by the 'libxml-parser-perl' package.
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20:01<bloodskin>sudo
20:01<bloodskin>err
20:01<elvis2>ok
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20:03<elvis2>ok i done ./configure make install ? how do i now get it to work?
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20:04<litage|w>i found some strange messages in my logs and i'm not sure what to make of them. they have to do with denying root access to the 'nobody' user. any ideas?: http://rafb.net/p/m4BKPJ86.html
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20:07<bloodskin>how do i open a graphical folder as root while im logged in as a normal user? not use a terminal to do it because i need to do a lot of editing
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20:10<Deltantor>Can anyone tell me how to set my default irc client?
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20:15<troubled>Deltantor: type: irssi and all will become clear
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20:16<chealer>Deltantor: I don't think there's literally such a think, unless you're talking about a specific DE
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20:16<chealer>s/think/thing
20:16<Deltantor>well, default as in for handling irc:// links in firefox
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20:17<defcon>hello ya all
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20:29<chealer>Deltantor: I think that's Firefox-specific.
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20:31<seeS>gee, this channel is quiet, i can remember a time i could not read it it was that fast
20:31<G-L1nk>tem brasileiro aq pls?
20:32<chealer>!tell G-L1nk about br
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20:38<elvis2>ok i broke it
20:39<elvis2>wont let me mount it now at all
20:39<chealer>Deltantor: yeah, it is
20:40<elvis2>how do i unosociate the drive with 3g?
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20:41<elvis2>or is it due to the kernal error?
20:42<chealer>!kernal
20:42<dpkg>*KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL*
20:42<chealer>elvis2: which drive?
20:42<elvis2>http://pastebin.com/d420f5f3e
20:42<elvis2>it is a ntfs 400 gig maxtor external storage device
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20:44<elvis2>on usb
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20:45<elvis2>anyidea chealer
20:46<dli>!tell elvis2 about ntfs-3g
20:46<elvis2>i have that installed
20:46<litage|w>elvis2: OT: i've been advised by very reliable sources that Maxtor makes low quality HDs, and that Western Digital and Seagate are much better alternatives
20:46<chealer>elvis2: I don't really understand your question.
20:47<elvis2>i need to mount the drive with read and right so installed 3g and ntfs config
20:48<elvis2>litage|w, i dont have the option of changeing the drive
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20:49<elvis2>chealer the error message above is what i get from monting and the ntfs config
20:49<chealer>elvis2: well I don't understand what you're trying to do. but I never used ntfs-3g yet.
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20:50<elvis2>all i want to do is mount my drive with read write access
20:50<elvis2>currently it is read only
20:50<micah>i'm looking for a USB wireless adaptor that works without hassle, anyone have any suggestions?
20:50<dli>micah, zd1211, cheap and driver in kernel
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20:51<micah>dli: is that the chipset? or the actual dongle?
20:52<chealer>micah: it's a driver
20:52<dli>micah, chipset
20:52<chealer>dli: does it require non-free firmware?
20:53<dli>chealer, if you want fully GPLed driver, there's only rt2500
20:53<chealer>dli: what do you mean? which license is zd1211 under?
20:54<rjbase89>I am looking for info for installing an Intel wireless Pro 3495
20:54<dli>chealer, it's in stable kernel, so, that part has to be in GPL-v2
20:54<chealer>!ipw3945
20:54<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
20:54<dli>rjbase89, also, you may try iwlwifi driver (requiring the newest kernel)
20:55<chealer>dli: yeah...so the driver itself is under the GPL...so I guess you meant "yes"?
20:56<dli>chealer, I'm not sure about the firmware part
20:56<chealer>dli: OK
20:56<rjbase89>Thanks... I am trying to absorb all this ... is there something in writing somewhere for this?
20:56<seeS>i got that!
20:56<seeS>the ipw3945
20:56<seeS>on two different laptops
20:57<dli>rjbase89, http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi , iwlwifi doesn't use userspace daemon, a little bit easier
20:57<chealer>micah: what do you prefer between something that requires non-free firmware and something that has no driver in the main Linux tree? (I'm afraid there's nothing that doesn't have either issue)
20:57<seeS>iwlwifi may not work with your chip
20:57<seeS>it didnt with mine
20:57<micah>dli: i see some people using a zd1211 on a hawking hwu54G usb dongle, but the reviews on newegg.com are terrible
20:58<dli>micah, I bought one on ebay for $15, nothing to complain yet
20:58<micah>chealer: i prefer something that works, doesn't require ndiswrapper, or other odd ways to get it working, doesn't drop off randomly, etc.
20:59<chealer>micah: actually, I know that some 802.11b don't have either issue...
20:59<micah>chealer: with a zd1211 I would have to load some binary firmware blob each time I bring it up?
20:59<chealer>micah: apparently. I don't know zd1211 myself.
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21:00<dli>micah, check the fsf.org page: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html
21:01<chealer>micah: do you consider no driver in Linux and firmware as "odd ways to get it working"?
21:01<micah>dli: I assume you need ndiswrapper to load the blob?
21:02<dli>micah, to load what?
21:02<micah>chealer: if I have to do anything other than plug it in, then its odd ;)
21:02<micah>dli: the firmware for the zd1211
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21:02<sideone>hey lal
21:02<bluntman225>can i mount a samba share as part of the filesystem
21:03<sideone>is there a program that can listen to all tcp/ port number?
21:03<sideone>need to test a fw
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21:03<chealer>micah: if you don't prefer 802.11g, your preference may be a 802.11b :S
21:03<seeS>what do you mean blunt
21:03<sideone>kinda like netcat, but all numbers
21:04<chealer>micah: ndiswrapper is for loading Windows drivers. firmwares don't need ndiswrapper.
21:04<micah>chealer: I dont mind b
21:04<bluntman225>sees i want to be able to mount a samba share from /mnt/samba or something
21:04<seeS>you can mount a sambashare anywhere
21:04<bluntman225>how?
21:04<seeS>i do that on my laptop. my music is on a samba share
21:05<micah>chealer: so the firmware is loaded when the driver is loaded?
21:05<seeS>and when it boots up, i automount the share
21:05<seeS>the ipwwhateverd loads it
21:05<seeS>i think
21:05<seeS>ok, blunt, so you have a server called myserver and the share called music
21:06<seeS>on the client, in /etc/fstab put
21:06<seeS> \\myserver\music /mnt/samba smbfs ro,guest 0 0
21:06<seeS>hmm, whats the guest? i think it means no password
21:06<chealer>micah: I never used a card that requires firmware. something like that, or at boot. I wouldn't worry, the HOWTO-s should cover what you need to know.
21:08<seeS>i just had the kernel driver, the daemon and firmware and it worked fine
21:08<chealer>micah: my friend has a 802.11b Cisco card that works automagically, but I don't remember the model. I can call him if you want, but these cards are old. they should be less performant and harder to acquire. IMHO it may be less trouble to get a rt2500 or something like that.
21:08<bluntman225>seeS: Supposeing i want to to mount it write, would use rw insted of ro? also, can i subustitue \\myserver with \\192.168.1.199
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21:09<micah>chealer: do you mean a USB dongle?
21:09<micah>I dont normally call those "cards"
21:09<seeS>yes thats right blunt
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21:09<chealer>micah: no, it's a PCMCIA card. is that acceptable for you?
21:09<micah>chealer: I need USB
21:10<chealer>micah: oh, sorry
21:10<micah>no problem
21:10<chealer>micah: I completely missed that
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21:17<elvis2>i found a sorta problem
21:17<elvis2>ntfsn config is trying to mount to sdb1 instead of hda
21:18<seeS>is there some sort of config file for it?
21:21<elvis2>only thing is the one were u have to ./configure to run?
21:21<seeS>oh, so you compiled it yourself?
21:21<elvis2>i downloaded the ntfs tools
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21:22<elvis2>http://flomertens.free.fr/ntfs-config/participate.html
21:24<seeS>ok, i only got ntfsprogs here
21:24<elvis2>???
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21:25<seeS>in the apt cache
21:25<chant>does anyone know why iceweasel connects to the bbc on startup, when only about:Blank is shown?
21:25<chant>as well as to two mozilla servers?
21:25<chant>I find that very unnerving.
21:26<dli>chant, check your home page setting first
21:26<seeS>i have no idea, how strange
21:26<chant>dli: it's about:blank
21:26<chant>I notice it via netstat -t
21:26<chant>it hits one BBC page and two mozilla pages
21:26<chant>though its only loading the iceweasel graphic locally.
21:26<amphi>chant: to populate the news link menu?
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21:27<chant>amphi - where's that?
21:27<chant>ah, latest headlines.
21:27<seeS>oh yeah, the news, good idea
21:27<chant>That must be a goldmine for bbc. think of the web stats they have.
21:27<amphi>chant: yeah, that's what I was trying to say ;)
21:28<chant>can we remove that from the default install?
21:28<chant>its rather anti-privacy.
21:28<seeS>i would say elvis2 that it is hard-coded default
21:28<elvis2>ok
21:28<seeS>its not default on mine chant
21:28<seeS>mine is just blank
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21:28<chant>its not the start page, but it loads even though its in my 'bookmarks' folder
21:28<chant>look at your netstat -t when you open firefox
21:28<chant>i bet it's there.
21:29<chant>unless you deleted the bookmark folder.
21:29<chant>next is the hunt for the connection to the mozilla servers. I just don't like when my software connects outwards without, well... asking me first.
21:30<chant>i.e if I'm using iceweasel for internal stuff, it shouldn't be going out to the world wide web
21:30<chant>oh man. I'm so lame for using that term. www.
21:35<chant>it shoudln't be making any connections external to my local network by default.
21:35<seeS>then you need to tweak it
21:35<chant>yeah, the problem is only in that bookmark folder
21:35<chant>once that folder is gone -> no more connections
21:35<chant>that shouldn't be there.
21:35<chant>seeS: it shouldn't be so hidden.
21:35<chealer>micah: I'm not sure there's such a thing :/
21:35<seeS>the vast majority of people wouldnt care
21:35<chant>the vast majority of people don't know.
21:35<chant>debian is supposed to be trustworthy.
21:35<chant>let me put it this way: if debian automatically loaded a DDs page on startup with google ads, and those paid the developer directly, there'd be fights ala dunctank
21:35<chant>so whats the diff if its a DD vs. if its the bbc and mozilla website?
21:35<chant>that's potentially valuable information.
21:36<seeS>no idea, it doesnt do it to me
21:36<chant>lets put it this way
21:36<chant>imagine you're on a cell modem and paying per kb
21:36<chant>why pay for connections you don't want?
21:37<dli>chant, since debian is open source, why not check the source yourself
21:37<chant>dli: I suppose I could submit a patch to the iceweasel maintainer.
21:37<chant>I guess I will.
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21:42<micah>chealer: apparantly hawking hwu54G is not bad
21:43<ranix>chant: this is how things get done
21:43<ranix>I don't particularly care, but you do. I'll agree with you that your way is probably the Right Way
21:43<ranix>if you fix it or get it fixed, good work
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21:44<chealer>micah: yeah...a firmware is probably the least problematic thing in the short-term
21:45<chant>ranix: I don't think it's malicious. I just think no one really thought about it, and its not visible. I'll try to get it changed.
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21:48<chealer>chant: I doubt that's Debian-specific
21:49<chant>yeah, but it'd be nice if debian un-evilified firefox.
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21:50<gravity>We already get enough flak from mozco
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21:51<chealer>chant: I also doubt there's any evil in that
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21:51<gravity>seriously
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21:51<sideone>hey all
21:52<sideone>i need help with apt if someone has a moment
21:52<isuckatlinux>ask
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21:53<sideone>http://www.pastebin.org/2084
21:53<sideone>tried the -f with no luck
21:53<sideone>can anyone point me to a faq/howto for fixing this?
21:53<sideone>btw.. offtopic, but why does everyone love umbunto? havent looked into it, been a deb fan for a decade i believe
21:54<sideone>just never got into apt, been a src guy
21:54<seeS>a deb fan for a decade?
21:54<ranix>I hate ubuntu
21:54<sideone>didnt mean to war
21:54<sideone>just wondering
21:54<sideone>i mean people that dont know anything about lin* seem to even talk about it
21:54<chealer>sideone: "umbunto"?
21:54<ranix>you can get someone to download anything by putting a black guy on it and saying 'togetherness'
21:54<isuckatlinux>do an apt-get update and then try to install all those lib together, that might do it
21:54<ranix>is that even a word
21:54<tcsetattr>let's see your 'apt-cache policy libc6'
21:54<sideone>chealer: :)
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21:55<sideone>ranix: sounds right :)
21:55<isuckatlinux>i dont like ubuntu, feel like running linux. too slow
21:55<chealer>sideone: which Debian suite do you use?
21:55<sideone>http://www.pastebin.org/2085
21:56<sideone>tc, that was for you
21:56<sideone>chealer: Linux lisa 2.6.8061805b #1 Sat Jun 18 13:10:01 EDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
21:56<sideone>isuckatlinux: gotcha, thats what i said when i got into solaris
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21:56<sideone>but s/unix
21:56<chealer>sideone: that could show your Linux version, not your Debian suite
21:56<tcsetattr>so it already knows where the new version is. apt-get install libc6
21:57<gravity>sideone: You should ask in #ubuntu why people like it over debian for a more positive opinion than you're likely to get in here
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21:57<sideone>gravity: hahah
21:57<gravity>If you like debian though, we're happy to encourage you in your opinion :-)
21:57<sideone>gravity: love deb
21:57<ranix>I don't know what a 'Debian suite' is
21:57<ranix>what is this
21:57<gravity>sideone: word
21:57<sideone>since i left slak, havent looked back
21:57<sideone>and fuck an enterprise level linux
21:57<seeS>i like debian, but im biased
21:57<gravity>ranix: It can refer to unstable/testing/stable, etc
21:57<ranix>aaah
21:57<ranix>thanks
21:57<gravity>np
21:57<seeS>i also see more than software about it
21:58<sideone>tc: http://www.pastebin.org/2086
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21:59<sideone>hey guys, stupid question. just came from a wedding, and met this chick that looked good, but she had gastro-bypass, and i saw bad armfat
21:59<sideone>would you pursue a chick with leftover arm blub?
21:59<tcsetattr>do them together: apt-get install libc6 locales
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22:00<isuckatlinux>he already tried that, didnt u?
22:00<cdlu>sideone, only if she was installable without preconfiguring.
22:00<sideone>hahah
22:00<sideone>tc, didnt work
22:00<sideone>seems like it only wants the -f
22:01<tcsetattr>how about doing dpkg --configure -a
22:01<sideone>but crys at ghttp://www.pastebin.org/2087
22:01<tcsetattr>you've got a weird mix of sarge and etch there
22:01<sideone>err ghttp/http
22:01<_Staz>Is there a nice quick and easy way to identify filesystem block size?
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22:02<dsa>hi
22:02<sideone>tc, http://www.pastebin.org/2088
22:02<tcsetattr>where'd you get that messed up 2.6.8061805b kernel version anyway? it's definitely not normal
22:02<sideone>i guess, im the only one on pastebin tonight ;)
22:02<sideone>tc, i know
22:02<sideone>trying to help out a friend
22:02<sideone>no idea what he did
22:03<sideone>this is over my head
22:03<dsa>anyone of you ever heard of antrix or ascent the wow emulator??
22:03<sideone>nope, just asterix
22:03<tcsetattr>8061805 is greater than 255, that's the problem
22:03<sideone>i know tc
22:03<tcsetattr>boot a normal kernel with a real version number
22:03<sideone>just dont know how to fix
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22:03<sideone>tc, any other ideas? were remote
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22:04<sideone>tc, if you are busy.. dont worry about it
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22:04<tcsetattr>you can hack the libc6 preinstall script to bypass the 255 check. but you're asking for trouble with that invalid kernel version string
22:04<isuckatlinux>what did u get when trying to install all packets together?
22:05<sideone>the libc and locals?
22:05<dsa>my problem is
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22:05<sideone>tc, yeah i hear ya, tried stuff like that before.. but, you know the outcome
22:06<isuckatlinux>libc6 locales netcat etc etc
22:06<tcsetattr>maybe wrap /bin/uname with a script that translates that version number to something more reasonable
22:06<sideone>ill paste.
22:06<dsa>im a howto says i have to chmod a+x reconf but if i do this i get chmod: cannot access `reconf': No such file or directory
22:06<sideone>isuckatlinux: here ya go : http://www.pastebin.org/2089
22:07<isuckatlinux>./recofn
22:07<sideone>su -
22:07<sideone>err.
22:07<dsa>./reconf u mean
22:07<isuckatlinux>yup
22:07<dsa>it says -bash: ./reconf: No such file or directory
22:07<sideone>dsa: dumb question, but are you in the right path?
22:08<isuckatlinux>add the initrd-tools
22:08<dsa>yes im
22:08<isuckatlinux>and paste
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22:08<sideone>suck, to the libc/locals line?
22:08<isuckatlinux>chmod 777 ./reconf =---------------= ./reconf
22:08<tcsetattr>he's stuck on the sarge libc6, it can't be upgraded because fo the kernel version being invalid. there's no sense adding more packages, they all depend on libc6
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22:09<dsa>yeah i got sarge 3.1
22:09<tcsetattr>hack libc6.preinst, hack uname, or fix the damn kernel
22:09<isuckatlinux>i had that bs one time a long time ago and i fixed it like that, u might be right
22:09<sideone>interesting: http://www.pastebin.org/2090
22:10<sideone>tc hahah
22:10<sideone>whre is the prinst file?
22:10<tcsetattr>/var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.preinst
22:11<sideone>thx
22:11<tcsetattr>I guess when they hit 2.6.255 that'll be the thing that finally forces Linus to declare a 3.0
22:11<sideone>tc, speaking of how long has the 2.x tree been around?
22:12<sideone>i cant rememebr before 2
22:12<sideone>seems like its been > 6yrs
22:12<tcsetattr>hm... I remember using 1.2.x but I don't know how long ago that was. at least 10 years I think
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22:13<tcsetattr>1.3.x was the unstable series, and there was documentation referring to the upcoming 1.4 release, and then Linus said "you know what... it's good enough to be called 2.0"
22:13<sideone> if [ "$kernel_rev" -ge 255 ]
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22:13<sideone>comment?
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22:14<sideone>tc, seems vaugely familiar
22:14<tcsetattr>I'd just comment out the exit below the warning message
22:14<sideone>k
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22:17<sideone>this box is fucked
22:17<sideone>tried commenting, with no luck
22:18<isuckatlinux>what if u do a distro upgrade
22:19<tcsetattr>if you can boot a decent kernel this problem will go away
22:19<sideone>tried
22:19<sideone>same error
22:19<sideone>tc, can i pass a boot arguement to boot to another kernel?
22:19<sideone>remotely
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22:20<sideone>im grubbed
22:22<tcsetattr>you can change which one boots by default. you just have to be right the first time.
22:23<sideone>yeah i hear ya
22:23<sideone>i think im dont helping him :)(
22:24<sideone>tc/suck, thanks for the help guys
22:24<sideone>just getting tired
22:24<sideone>gonna be along week
22:27<dsa>tcsetattr may i privmsg u?
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22:37<isuckatlinux>sideone, dont tell me u still trying to work miracles here
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22:48<isuckatlinux>!nvidia
22:48<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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22:52<chealer>!tell isuckatlinux about msg the bot
22:53<allisterb>hi does anybody know how to make a vfat partition work with Windows? I set the partition type to 0b - W95FAT32 but Windows still thinks it's not formatted
22:59<gsimmons>allisterb: Did you create a FAT32 filesystem on this partition? ("mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hdaX", etc) You can also create this filesystem in Windows, as an alternative to that command.
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23:00<seeS>i generally try to make it in the native OS
23:00<litage|w>on a new Etch installation, /var/log/boot is not being written to. i've discovered that /etc/init.d/bootlogd is being called with the "stop" arg when the machine boots, despite the init-script having these startup links. any ideas why "stop" is being passed?: bootlogd S:S05 0:- 1:- 2:- 3:- 4:- 5:- 6:-
23:02<isuckatlinux>told isuckatlinux
23:03<allisterb>gsimmons, yes I did
23:04<allisterb>I know from previous experience that making a FAT32 partition on windows is usable on Linux but not the other way round...
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23:10<Lex_Maximum_>alguem pode me tirar uma duvida ?
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23:11<seeS>umm
23:11<gsimmons>allisterb: Can't say I've encountered this, at least when using a partition ID 0c (LBA) with mkfs.vfat.
23:11<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] sabe me dizer onde consigo o mais novo debian em plataforma gnome ?
23:11<seeS>!tell lex_maximum_ about br
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23:12<seeS>i speak english only sorry!
23:12<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] ok ...
23:12<allisterb>gsimmons, you tried 0c and it worked? I'll try that and see
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23:12<dsa>seeS can u help me?
23:12<dsa>ever heard of antrix or ascent
23:13<seeS>no, not either of those
23:14<dsa>its a warcraft server
23:14<dsa>ill install it with a guid
23:14<dsa>e
23:14<seeS>really? i didnt know they opensource it
23:14<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] download new debian - gnome in portuguese ? You know ? What link ?
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23:14<dsa>but on the first step i faild on apt-get install subversion it says the package doesnt exist
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23:15<seeS>hm, i just used subversion
23:15<seeS>i just use the gnome in the archives lex
23:15<Lex_Maximum_>hm..
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23:16<dsa>hey ill kill myselfe if i dont get it work
23:17<dsa>im trying over a week :/
23:17<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] i don't speak english good... :/
23:17<seeS>just remember to use the shell kill not the procps one, i dont want your blood over my package
23:18<seeS>subversion is a package, you must have a broken mirror
23:18<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] where - download - debian in portuguese ?
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23:18<seeS>do you mean the language or the ftp mirror lex?
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23:19<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] just i want download debian in portuguese
23:20<seeS>it should just work when you set the language
23:20<seeS>install the locales
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23:21<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] #debian-br they are sleeping, nobody talking with me
23:21<Lex_Maximum_>:/
23:22<seeS>ok, did you set the locale, so that works?
23:22<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] i not understand :/
23:23<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] my english is + or -
23:23<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] thank you for help
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23:23<seeS>!tell lex_maximum_ about locales
23:23<Lex_Maximum_>[seeS] after i try help..
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23:42<litage|w>on a new Etch installation, /var/log/boot is not being written to. i've discovered that /etc/init.d/bootlogd is being called with the "stop" arg when the machine boots, despite the init-script having these startup links. any ideas why "stop" is being passed?: http://rafb.net/p/ph8Al846.html
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23:43<seeS>hmm
23:44<seeS>looks like mine
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23:45<seeS>S05 should be a start
23:45<seeS>unless in singleuser
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23:46<chealer>litage|w: stop-bootlogd-single runs that
23:46<tcsetattr>is /etc/default/bootlogd set to enable?
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23:49<litage|w>tcsetattr: yup. ``grep ENABLE /etc/default/bootlogd'' outputs this: BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes
23:50<litage|w>i added this to the beginning of /etc/init.d/bootlogd : echo "run as: $0 $@" >>/bootlogd.log which resulted in this output: run as: /etc/init.d/bootlogd stop
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