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---Logopened Mon Sep 10 00:00:00 2007
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00:08<un_dave>hey guys, looking at software raid 5 for my new workstation, and was wondering how raid 5 expansion works.
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00:08<un_dave>i've been reading a little about it here: http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/raid-lvm.php#expanding
00:09<un_dave>but they're using fedora, and i'd like to use debian
00:09<un_dave>is this supported in the latest version of etch ?
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00:10<litage|w>un_dave: Etch now uses LVM2, i believe. regardless, LVM supports RAIDs 0,1,5,etc
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00:12<un_dave>ok, so raid 5 would be supported, but how would i find out about the expansion of the raid array?
00:13<un_dave>i'd like to have the option of adding another drive down the line, without having to take the whole thing offline
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00:15<litage|w>un_dave: you can expand it as much as you want (within reason, obviously). it's simply a matter of determining what the correct LVM command is
00:16<litage|w>un_dave: one of my friends has a 1.5TB RAID-5 that started out at 1TB
00:17<un_dave>ok, cool. so in theory, i'd set it up using lvm2 as a raid 5, then i could add a new drive using lvm2. somehow.
00:18<un_dave>without having to rebuild the whole array
00:18<un_dave>sounds like i need to do some reading about lvm2
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00:19<litage|w>un_dave: exactly
00:19<litage|w>you can add and remove drives on the fly
00:20<un_dave>that sounds idea. i want to start off with 4 or 5 500gb drives, but i'd like to be able to expand it by dropping in another down the line, without having to worry about moving all the data off.
00:20<un_dave>*ideal
00:21<niru>I have built an iso image
00:21<litage|w>un_dave: if RAIDs didn't support that capability, they'd be pretty limited ;)
00:21<niru>I wnat to install the same iso image through 1 gb pen drive
00:21<niru>is it possible
00:21<niru>any help
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00:22<un_dave>litage|w: i dont know anyone with 1.5tb spare who would let me borrow there space while i rebuilt!
00:22<litage|w>hahah
00:23<un_dave>1.5tb isnt that impressive any more... but 1.5tb *spare*... now thats impressive.
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00:25[~]litage|w remembers when he had NO idea how he was going to fill up his brand-spanking-new 3.4GB HD =P
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00:25<klys>that must have been in 98
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00:26<BoBo_BoSs>hy
00:26<klys>hil
00:26<BoBo_BoSs>how open ssh on my debian ?
00:26<klys>apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client
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00:27<BoBo_BoSs>and how modify port ?
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00:27<klys>in /etc/sshd.conf
00:27<BoBo_BoSs>k txs
00:27<klys>np man
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00:29<BoBo_BoSs>hmm
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00:29<BoBo_BoSs>man how modifi source list ?
00:29<BoBo_BoSs>where modif ?
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00:32<litage|w>BoBo_BoSs, klys: it's actually /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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00:33<litage|w>BoBo_BoSs: are you talking about your apt sources?
00:33<BoBo_BoSs>yes
00:33<BoBo_BoSs>:(
00:33<litage|w>BoBo_BoSs: /etc/apt/sources.list
00:33<BoBo_BoSs>where is sources.list
00:33<BoBo_BoSs>aaa
00:33<BoBo_BoSs>txs
00:34<litage|w>BoBo_BoSs: if you run ``sudo updatedb'', you can then search for files like this: locate -i filename
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00:34<litage|w>BoBo_BoSs: locate -i sources.list
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00:34<BoBo_BoSs>k txs
00:36<litage|w>BoBo_BoSs: np
00:36<BoBo_BoSs>and
00:36<BoBo_BoSs>how restart ssh ?
00:36<BoBo_BoSs>i modif port and now ?
00:36<BoBo_BoSs>how restart to work this port
00:38<BoBo_BoSs>or a reboot is very good ? :)))
00:38<BoBo_BoSs>k reboot =))
00:38<jm_>man invoke-rc.d
00:38<BoBo_BoSs>bye and txs
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00:42<DennisTheTiger>Running etch. I've just installed apache2.2-common via apt-get, however there is no /etc/apache2/apache2.conf on the filesystem. This comes off as significant because apt-file says it should be there in the package. I have done an apt-get --purge on the package, as well as a dpkg-reconfigure, to no avail. How, then, can one get this file out of the package?
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00:44<bluntman225>hey guys, i have an apache server running, listing on port 80...for some reason when i nmap it over the internet i get 80/tcp filtered http
00:44<bluntman225>i can access through my lan but not on the internet?
00:45<bluntman225>my router is configured to allow DMZ access to the server..
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00:46<bluntman225>can neone help
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00:46<un_dave>bluntman225, not something to do with your iptables setup?
00:46<un_dave>firewall, etc
00:46<bluntman225>perhaps, but every other port is listening
00:46<bluntman225>i called my ISP and they say the only port they block is 25
00:46<bluntman225>how can i tell?
00:46<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: what's the site?
00:47<bluntman225> 74.170.194.160
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00:49<bluntman225>DennisTheTiger: what do u think
00:50<gsimmons>!tell DennisTheTiger -about confmiss
00:50<un_dave>bluntman225, there's not a setting in the apache config to limit access to internal ip's only ?
00:51<DennisTheTiger>Thanks gsimmons
00:51<bluntman225>un_dave: i thought i did it
00:51<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: your server isn't even responding to nmap. I'll bet it's iptables.
00:52<bluntman225>DennisTheTiger: oh sorry i took it off DMZ. Ill put it back on so you can scan it again, if you want
00:53<bluntman225>DennisTheTiger: you can try again
00:53<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: Yeah, gotta be able to see it to do diagnostics here. =^^=
00:54<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: ...still can't make it talk, what's up?
00:54<bluntman225>lol you must be scanning it right now
00:54<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: Your firewall or iptables aren't freaking out, are they?
00:54<bluntman225>well im using a fresh netinstall of debian, and my router is configued to let it be a DMZ so i doubt it
00:55<bluntman225>try again lol
00:56<bluntman225>oh yea use -P0 option
00:56<bluntman225>on nmap
00:56<un_dave>on unrelated note to raid 5 setups... i'm selecting the hardware for my new setup, is there a site somewhere that lists tried and true debian compatable hardware?
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00:56<DennisTheTiger>gsimmons: How much can you tell me about the sites-{available,enabled} usage?
00:57<DennisTheTiger>gsimmons: ...never mind.
00:57<bluntman225>DennisTheTiger: im scanning right now it seems to be working, is it working on your end
00:57<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: Nope. Is the box behind a router/firewall?
00:58<bluntman225>yea its on a router
00:58<bluntman225>nmap 74.170.194.160 gives me replys
00:58<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: Probably just a router misconfig. If you can put it physically on the DMZ (i.e., bypass the router entirely) and make it talk, then yeah, it's your router.
00:59<bluntman225>DennisTheTiger: So I should plug it directlly into the dsl modem then
00:59<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: Yeah.
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01:00<bluntman225>when i went to http://portscan.dcs-net.net/ and did a scan from there though it worked :(
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01:02<bluntman225>PORT STATE SERVICE
01:02<bluntman225>25/tcp closed smtp
01:02<bluntman225>80/tcp filtered htt
01:02<bluntman225>interesting...whats the difference between closed and filtered... my ISP says that 25 is not avabiale to me, but that port 80 should be open
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01:03<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: Ah, that may also explain it, perhaps your ISP - Bellsouth - is restricting traffic.
01:04<bluntman225>yea i just spend 2 hours on the phone with then, they said that port 80 should work ...they are like "We have people with security cams that use port 80 and it works just fine for them"
01:04<bluntman225>but they said port 25 is off-limits. that would explain why that is closed state and 80 filtered?
01:04<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: ..well, that sounds about right, then.
01:05<bluntman225>well if they say that 80 is open, why is it comeing as filtered
01:05<DennisTheTiger>As for why it's not responding, I can only assume it's your router.
01:05<niru>what is the best application to see my remote desktop
01:05<niru>gui way
01:06<DennisTheTiger>niru: A vnc client.
01:07<niru>DennisTheTiger, what is the package name
01:07<niru>I installed xvncviewer
01:07<niru>vncserver
01:07<bluntman225>DennisTheTiger: what do you mean restricting traffic
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01:27<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: Some ISPs will restrict the use of the connection - basically, they block ports. Case in point, what they do here to port 25. Evidently, they're not blocking 80, just 25, but I still suspect your iptables config or your router.
01:27<bluntman225>DennisTheTiger: so the differnce being 25 is closed and 80 is just filtered
01:27<bluntman225>how can i check iptabels
01:28<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: Yeah.
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01:28<DennisTheTiger>bluntman225: Unfortunately, knowing little about iptables (and I shall have to remedy that, methinks), I must bow out.
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01:28<jm_>!iptables tutorial
01:28<dpkg>from memory, iptables tutorial is http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/
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01:28<tcsetattr>when nmap says "closed", what that means is it got a reset packet in response to its syn packet. this is how hosts are supposed to behave according to rfc793 when there is no process listening on the port.
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01:29<bluntman225>oh ok
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01:29<bluntman225>but on a regular install of debian does iptables usually filter things
01:29<tcsetattr>when nmap says "filtered", what that actually means is there was no response. This is caused by a rude firewall dropping the packet without sending the reset, or a host that is down and therefore unable to send the reset, or packet loss in between
01:30<tcsetattr>you run 'iptables -L -n' to see the current firewall rules.
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01:33<bluntman225>tcsetattr: i see, and because my ISP says that port 25 is blocked, and nmap says it is "closed" then if port 80 were blocked by my isp i can assume it would also come back as "closed"
01:33<tcsetattr>"open/closed/filtered" is is not any kind of standard terminology. it's just some crap made up by lousy "firewall" vendors who want you to think that "closing" a port is something more complicated than just not running the program which listens on it.
01:34<tcsetattr>your ISP may be generating the reset packets for port 25, and letting the port 80 packets through to you, and your own firewall could be dropping them without generating a reset packet. or maybe some other similar combination...
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01:38<bluntman225>when i do iptables -L -n i dont get anything listed
01:39<jm_>try tcptraceroute and see where it stops
01:39<jm_>compare the output for both ports
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01:39<tcsetattr>you have some kind of cheezy NAT router in between you and the Internet?
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01:40<bluntman225>tcsetattr: actually i do have a cheezy NAT router, but this thing is set up to allow DMZ on my debian server
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01:40<tcsetattr>I bet it's not working.
01:40<bluntman225>ill try to connect it directly to my modem
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01:42<tcsetattr>people gotta stop buying those things. a Linux box is a router you can actually control.
01:43<bluntman225>lol i was using it for wireless thogh tcsetattr
01:43<tcsetattr>double-check and triple-check that DMZ setup then.
01:43<tcsetattr>the tcptraceroute looks really suspicious
01:44<tcsetattr>going to 74.170.194.160, it gets a time-exceeded from 74.170.194.160 (the same address) and then *'s out.
01:44<bluntman225>try it now
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01:46<tcsetattr>but port 25 goes all the way through, past the suspicious one and gets the reset from the next hop.
01:46<bluntman225>yea look at this tcsetattr
01:46<bluntman225>19 mta0013115f6d5f.mm.lv.lv.cox.net (70.170.194.160) [open] 122.450 ms 122.021 ms 127.933 ms
01:46<tcsetattr>which takes me back to the theory of iptables on the target machine dropping it
01:46<bluntman225>thats the last one i get when i do tcptraceroute on port 80
01:47<bluntman225>try it again its on the DMZ now
01:47<tcsetattr>oh it looks like I had the wrong address. that's not the one in your /whois
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01:48<bluntman225>wtf?? now i can connect to my port 80!
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01:48<bluntman225>well just look at it in a browser now, it says access to this web page is unavabiale
01:51<bluntman225>tcsetattr: try to point a broswer to 74.170.194.160
01:54<tcsetattr>still not getting through from here
01:55<bluntman225>this is REALLY wierd
01:55<bluntman225>look: http://70.170.194.160/
01:56<bluntman225><html><head><title>Cannot find server</title></head><body>
01:56<bluntman225><br>Access to this web page is currently unavailable.<P><HR></BODY></HTML>
01:56<bluntman225>thats wat i get back
01:56<tcsetattr>which one is your address, 74.170 or 74.170?
01:56<bluntman225> 74.170.194.160
01:56<tcsetattr>if they're both yours, that's an amazing coincidence
01:56<bluntman225>what two differnt ones?
01:56<bluntman225>i only see one
01:56<tcsetattr>so why are you looking at http://70.170.194.160/ ?
01:57<bluntman225>because thats my ip address
01:57<tcsetattr>70.170.194.160 is not 74.170.194.160
01:57<tcsetattr>pick one...
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01:58<tcsetattr>70.*, 74.*
01:58<bluntman225>damm
01:58<bluntman225>where the heck did i get 70.* from
01:58<bluntman225>oh yea the traceroute
01:58<tcsetattr>somebody introduced a typo somewhere
01:59<bluntman225>is that possible? lol
01:59<bluntman225>oh nevrmeind
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02:00<tcsetattr>are we back where we started now?
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02:01<bluntman225> lol im doing a traceroute now, on the correct IP
02:01<bluntman225>yes
02:01<bluntman225>im getting * * *
02:01<bluntman225>tcptraceroute 74.170.194.160 80
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02:03<bluntman225>what do you get back tcsetattr, all ig et back is * * *
02:04<tcsetattr>that's what I've had all along
02:04<bluntman225>what does that mean
02:04<tcsetattr>except on port 25, I get a reset
02:04<tcsetattr>it really makes me think you have an iptables drop rule :)
02:04<bluntman225>sweet
02:04<bluntman225>lmao
02:05<tcsetattr>how about you run 'tcpdump -n port 25' while I do the tcptraceroute from here, and you tell me if anything shows up
02:05<bluntman225>well remeber that my ISP told me that port 25 is blocked
02:05<bluntman225>but i will do it k
02:05<bluntman225>leme apt get it i
02:06<tcsetattr>I'm not sure I believe what the outsourced phone slave told you from your ISP
02:06<tcsetattr>port 25 blocking outbound is common, but inbound too? does the phone slave even know the difference?
02:06<bluntman225>lol
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02:06<bluntman225>well bellsouth's website says that port 25 is blocked
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02:07<bluntman225>http://help.bellsouth.net/bellsouth/asp/contentview.asp?UserType=DSL&source=2&sprt_cid=d00c5ac8-ebd0-4216-a6e2-bc5ac6de7fc8
02:07<tcsetattr>run the damn tcpdump already :)
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02:07<bluntman225>running
02:07<bluntman225>Why filter Port 25?
02:07<bluntman225>Port 25 filtering prevents spammers from sending waves of junk e-mail by preventing BellSouth.net email from being sent through mail servers not .net supported. With Port 25 filtering, anyone logged into a BellSouth.net access number or connected via a defined BellSouth IP Address can send e-mail through the .net mail servers only.
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02:08<bluntman225>tcpdump -n port 25 is what im running now
02:09<tcsetattr>ok keep it running...
02:09<bluntman225>k
02:09<bluntman225>mabey a tcpdump on port 80 will be more interesting :)
02:09<tcsetattr>has it said anything yet?
02:09<tcsetattr>we'll do that next
02:09<bluntman225>oh there it goes!
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02:09<tcsetattr>what did it say? (just the last line if you got several... hopefully you got about 6 lines)
02:09<bluntman225>i did get 6
02:10<bluntman225>02:09:08.763291 IP 192.168.1.198.25 > 69.246.218.176.51178: R 0:0(0) ack 1 win 0
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02:10<tcsetattr>yeah, 69.246.218.176 is me. so I had no problem getting through to your 25. you are port-25-blocked on outgoing but not incoming
02:10<tcsetattr>although they could change that policy any day and block it both ways.
02:11<bluntman225>yea
02:11<tcsetattr>now, go for tcpdump -n port 80
02:11<bluntman225>apperntly they dont want people running mailservers that use to send spam...
02:11<tcsetattr>they don't care about you running a server that receives spam though, as long as you can't send it back out
02:11<bluntman225>its running
02:12<bluntman225>so that means i can recicive mail on my mailserver
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02:12<tcsetattr>got your 6 lines yet? or 3?
02:12<bluntman225>nothing
02:13<tcsetattr>all right then. could you run iptables -L -n and then iptables -t nat -L -n and iptables -t mangle -L -n
02:13<bluntman225>there we go
02:13<tcsetattr>that'll make sure we've seen _all_ of the iptables
02:13<tcsetattr>who goes where?
02:13<bluntman225>k im getting lots of responses
02:13<tcsetattr>is something on your machine making outgoing requests to port 80? because tcpdump will be showing those too.
02:14<bkw>When I compile with the Makefile http://pastebin.ca/689747 I get Makefile:17: *** missing separator. Stop, why?
02:14<jm_>because your makefile has an error
02:14<tcsetattr>bkw, that usually means you have spaces where a tab should be.
02:14<bluntman225>02:13:36.098354 IP 192.168.1.198.80 > 192.168.1.101.2513: . ack 474 win 8576
02:14<bluntman225>i guess thats my machines talking to each other
02:14<jm_>i.e. <tab>rm instead of <space>*rm
02:14<jm_>actually that's $(RM)
02:15<bluntman225>its all 192's
02:15<tcsetattr>I gave you 3 different iptables listing commands, how about it
02:16[~]tcsetattr supposes that the distinction between tab and space was lost in the friendly "pastebin", if not sooner
02:16<bluntman225>ok iptables -L -n
02:17<bluntman225>Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
02:17<bluntman225>target prot opt source destination
02:17<bluntman225>the rest are the same, with nothing besides target prot opt...
02:17<tcsetattr>slow down man...
02:17<bluntman225>use pastebin?
02:17<tcsetattr>then I don't know how we can blame the problem on the debian box.
02:18<bluntman225>yea they are all the same
02:18<bluntman225>is it possible that my apache is not listening to devices besides LAN?
02:18<tcsetattr>no, if it was just a matter of the server not listening I'd get reset packets
02:19<bluntman225>oh ok
02:19<tcsetattr>when my connection attempts go to your machine, the kernel will either send a syn-ack handshake response, or a reset. the only way it won't send one of those is if iptables tells it to drop the packet.
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02:19<tcsetattr>and since you didn't get anything on tcpdump, that proves the packet is getting lost on the way from me to you, not the other direction
02:20<tcsetattr>that pushes it back out to the DMZ forwarding thing being messed up, or your ISP blocking incoming port 80
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02:20<bluntman225>oh
02:20<tcsetattr>try running apache on another port, like 8080.
02:21<bluntman225>8080 works
02:21<bluntman225>try it
02:22<bluntman225>well not apache
02:22<bluntman225>i shuold say
02:22<bluntman225>this other webserver...you mean try to set up apache to listen on 8080 as well?
02:22<tcsetattr>let's just say the phone droid was wrong and you are not allowed to run a web server on the cheap dsl plan
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02:24<bluntman225>tcsetattr: well the phone droid said that we are not allowed to run web servers on residental plan, but that the port 80 isnt blocked only 25...he said they have people with security cams that use port 80..
02:24<bluntman225>but go ahead
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02:25<tcsetattr>maybe your wireless NAT router has its own built-in web server, which conflicts with the DMZ function?
02:25<bluntman225>perhaps cause look, apache is running on 8080 now and it works
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02:26<Taypan>hello
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02:28<bluntman225>im looking google for some info on my router tcsetattr
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02:30<bluntman225>ok tcsetattr, im going to try to plug my box into the modem itself
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02:30<Taypan>hello
02:30<Taypan>necesito
02:30<Taypan>ayuda
02:30<Taypan>help
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02:31<Eulex>^^
02:32<Eulex>that was a quick visit.
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02:33<bluntman225>tcsetattr: yes, the router does have a way to "manage the router using port 80"
02:34<tcsetattr>and it probably doesn't let you do that from outside. so that's why it's dropping my packets
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02:35<bluntman225>ooh yea thats gotta be it
02:36<bluntman225>so my router is crapware then
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02:36<tcsetattr>if you can move the configuration thingy to another port, maybe it would pass through port 80 to the DMZ
02:36<bluntman225>that may explain why its just 5 dollars after the rebates lol
02:37<peritus>how can i force apt to only use ipv4 servers? ftp.se.d.o has AAAA records and apt wants to download from ipv6 instead of ipv4
02:37<bluntman225>ill try that indeed
02:37<tcsetattr>disturbing episode of Robot Chicken tonight. more so than usual.
02:37<jm_>peritus: stick it in /etc/hosts is probably the easiest method
02:38<jm_>sticking*
02:39<peritus>jm_: allright, thanks
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02:42<jm_>peritus: it would be nice to have a resolver config option for this (i.e. reverse of inet6 option that Solaris has)
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02:53<bluntman225_>hey
02:54<bluntman225_>tcsetattr: can you try to connect through a browser to me again at 74.170.194.160
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03:00<bkw>I have a 16550A.c which builds realtime support for serialports on motherboards. But it doesn't support PCI serial controllers. Is that difficult to add?
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03:01<Eulex>ask #kernelnewbies on freenode?
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03:04<artem>hi
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03:05<artem>who can help me with a configurin' port mapping in ETCH
03:07<artem>???
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03:09<artem>who can help me with a configurin' port mapping in ETCH
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03:09<Eulex>!repeat
03:09<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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03:09<Eulex>!ask
03:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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03:10<artem>+)
03:10<artem>!ask
03:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
03:12<artem>áëÿ, âñå íè êàê ó ëþäåé
03:12<artem>)
03:12<Eulex>!ru
03:12<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
03:12<artem>=^_^=
03:12<artem>tnx
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03:56<ojrain>ooo hihihi
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04:22<Fox_1_>hi all
04:22<Fox_1_>people does anyone know amule/emule client for console?
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04:23<Lothar>nope
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04:45<serge>Hello! Can anybody pls help me with a2ps. The problem is this util in Etch 4.0 seems does not works properly, it wraps lines and doesn.t adjust the font size despite the commandline parameters given: a2ps -B --medium=A4 --landscape --columns=1 --borders=no --chars-per-line=140 -o my.ps ./test2.txt
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04:46<serge>test2.txt contain line of 160 chars length, it should print it as one line. not wraped..
04:47<serge>this my shell script was working fine for FC3 and FC4, but for Ethc 4.0 it doesn't :(
04:48<gsimmons>Fox_1_: You might be interested in amulecmd ('amule-utils' package).
04:48<test1>hello all
04:48<test1>hi
04:49<test1>we have a big ethernet LAN here, and i want to do voice chat with others that
04:49<test1>are using unix or freebsd or windows-Xp
04:50<test1>what is the best software for this purpos, who has enough experienc ?
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04:51[~]weasel recomments phones.
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04:57<test1>isn't there any one noticing to my above lines ?
04:58<sep>test1, i know that ventrilo and skype work on multiple os's im sure someone else know of free alternatives
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05:10<test1>sep, do you know asterisk, it is free, is it a good choice ?
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05:11<lupine_85>an asterix pbx migh be a bit much
05:11<test1>we have netmeeting under the M$-Windows-Xp , is there any free implementation one for linux ?
05:11<sep>test1, asterisk is a pbx system, the brain in a telephony system eg the server that you'r software phones could talk to.
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05:11<lupine_85>test1: gnome-meeting
05:11<test1>lupine_85, how much do you have experience with asterisk ?
05:12<lupine_85>hardly any, but I do know it's a pain to set up
05:12<sep>test1, it's not something you configure for a weekend lan :)
05:12<nubbun>Scripts in /etc/ppp/ipv6-up.d are not running. There is nothing but alphabetic characters in the file name. The script works when starting it by hand. Ideas of how to debug or what the problem is?
05:12<lupine_85>It strikes me as slightly overkill
05:12<sep>i think ventrilo would be easier in that case.
05:12<sep>test1, unless ofcouse you are looking for a pbx
05:12<test1>is the gnome-meeting good and powerful and user-friendly ?
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05:14<lupine_85>it does everything netmeeting does AFAIK
05:14<lupine_85>I don't /think/ it's over 9000 though
05:15<test1>is there any compatible one for KDE ?
05:16<lupine_85>gnome-meeting will run under kde. otherwise, ekiga might be compatible with
05:17<nubbun>test1: QT app may be of interest to you: http://ihu.sourceforge.net/
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05:17<nubbun>test1: general index site if you didn't know it already: http://ihu.sourceforge.net/
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05:20<test1>i begane to run ekiga , do you have any hint ?
05:21<nubbun>I don't know it.
05:22<nubbun>http://www.kde-apps.org/ was the link I meant to paste.
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05:23<test1>the ekiga told me it can not running up and SIP listener, do you have any hint? :-(
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05:25<lupine_85>test1: it needs another sip app to talk to before it's much use
05:25<lupine_85>is netmeeting sip? I dunno
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05:35<themill>netmeeting isn't sip. But ekiga can be.
05:36<themill>but since M$ is killing off netmeeting, it's a bit of a moot point doing anything with it these days.
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05:44<kinlo>when running aptitude dist-upgrade, I get: *** ERROR: search aborted by fatal exception. You may continue searching, but some solutions will be unreachable. I'm running lenny, trying to update lenny....
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05:48<sasha>hi , i need to develop a service under linux with a tcp socket , acces to mysql and cal to function in already written libs , what is the best ide / doc to use
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05:50<lupine_85>sasha: what language do you intend to work with?
05:51[~]lupine_85 would C++ it in KDevelop unless it were trivial, in which case he might get away with a shell script or some ruby
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05:59<Aleric>lupine_85: vim with ctags rulez
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06:00<Aleric>What benefit does kdevelop have over that? :)
06:00<themill>Aleric: kdevelop also does ctags ;)
06:00<Aleric>Can I use vim as editor in kdevelop?
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06:00<Aleric>I can't unlearn the key strokes that I use to edit a file.
06:00<sasha>lupine : C++ and the libs are written in c
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06:01<themill>There was a vimpart (editor kpart) around a while ago, but I think it disappeared from debian a while ago so I'm not sure.
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06:04<yujin>when i try to run totem to play mp3 in GNOME, it returned with "can't create mcop directory" . (it is the same result even when i run it as root).how?
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06:05<Aleric>yujin: try running it in strace
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06:08<sasha>is there an equivalent of the msdn for kdevelop or anjunta ?
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06:12<themill>sasha: kdevelop can integrate in to the C, C++/STL, KDE etc docs if you install the relevant packages and tell kdevelop they are installed.
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06:13<yujin>aleric: i dont know how to deal with the result. may i send it to you,please?
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06:17<Aleric>Does anyone know of a clean way to remove the first x minutes from a .avi? Which tool?
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06:22<CloseCall>hi
06:22<CloseCall>small question, is there nog mod_ssl packages voor apache2 ?
06:22<petemc>you dont need extra packages
06:23<petemc>Aleric: avidemux
06:23<petemc>its not in debian, but packages exist
06:23<Aleric>Get:1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing/main avidemux 1:2.3.0-0.0 [2434kB]
06:23<Aleric>it is
06:24<petemc>is what?
06:24<Aleric>in debian :)
06:24<petemc>is debian-multimedia part of debian?
06:24<petemc>i think you'll find its not
06:24<Aleric>*shrug*
06:25<Aleric>I don't care about license difference, as long as apt-get install works.
06:25<petemc>fantastic then
06:25<CloseCall>so mod_ssl comes with apache.
06:25<petemc>yes
06:25<CloseCall>i onkly need to gen an ssl key
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06:29<CloseCall>thnx, for the time, ill go right at it.
06:29<CloseCall>bye
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06:42<noobsh>hi guys, how can I run gkrellm without show in taskbar?
06:44<Aleric>right click it, choose configuraton -> General -> Properties TAB -> Do not include on taskbar
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06:46<korny>hi
06:46<noobsh>hmm nice one, thank you so much!
06:47<korny>i compiled kernel 2.6.22.6. Now, my old iptables scripts aren't working anymore.
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06:48<korny>what happened?
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06:49<JasonS>korny: you made a mistake somewhere
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06:51<themill>korny: you probably missed a relevant module in the kernel compile. iptables errors should tell you what.
06:51<korny>http://paste.debian.net/36718 what does this mean?
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06:52<noobsh>Aleric, and how can I do this with amsn please? do you know?
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06:53<Aleric>noobsh: no idea
06:53<noobsh>:T thank you
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06:54<korny>i don't understand my error. Where can i find further information or the complete error output?
06:54<themill>korny: look at the nf_conntrack_* modules/kernel options. There are quite a lot of them. Actually, if you have heaps of iptables rules then you probably want a few other nf_* modules too.
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06:54<sasha>korny : i have had the same problems, looks like there are some modificatins in the iptables' modules and ever if you use an old config, you have with menuconfig to go and recheck the iptables_nat ... modules
06:55<themill>korny: I'm not sure what proto=2 is for nf_conntrack, but I
06:55<themill>* I'll bet it's related to the rest of the nf_conntrack_* modules ;)
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06:57<korny>hmm connection tracking is not in my current kernel. But i used an old config to build the new kernel. The old config included connection tracking. Strange
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06:59<korny>anyway thanks themill
06:59<themill>korny: np... good luck ;)
06:59<noob>hi guys, how can I find the folder of gkrellm?
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06:59<korny>thx
07:00<JasonS>noob: search for it
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07:00<korny>noob, you have synaptic?
07:00<noob>synaptic?
07:00<noob>Im noob :T
07:01<noob>1-day linux user
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07:02<korny>the default packet manager if you have installed debian as desktop machine i think.
07:02<noob>brb
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07:14<noob>guys, wheres the "theme" folder of gkrellm?
07:14<harpal>I have upgrade debian 3.1 to 4.0 and When I start my display it shows me error http://pastebin.com/m70bd6545 and than I have restarted my system now I cant boot in to system and its giving me error
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07:17<JasonS>noob: man gkrellm or thier webiste
07:18<JasonS>website even
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07:18<noob>thanks brother :T
07:18<DarkEarth>Hi
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07:22<gsimmons>harpal: Have you read the Etch release notes for your architecture? There are steps regarding the XFree86->Xorg transition which need to be followed carefully.
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07:23<noob>guys, I installed my vga driver, but when I type glxgers returns null, what can I do ?
07:24<harpal>ohhhhh I havent read that
07:24<noob>sry
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07:24<gsimmons>!release notes
07:24<dpkg>hmm... release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes
07:24<noob>I just want know if my vga works ok
07:25<noob>Error: couldt open display :T
07:26<feron> Hi, I get this message in /var/mail from rkhunter - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36995/plain/ , I also get this output from chkrootkit - "eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[3847])" . Should i be worried here?
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07:26<BeCkY>hi
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07:28<BeCkY>anyone here?
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07:30<isuckatlinux>yup
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07:35<niru>http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html
07:35<niru>this is the site I follow to create a debian usb image
07:36<niru>I have got a full cd image of 700 mb
07:36<niru>and extracting the boot.img.gz takes away 256 MB of my 1gb usb device
07:36<niru>I am unable to copy the iso image
07:36<niru>how can I proceed
07:36<niru>will it be so with a 2gb usb as well
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07:37<niru>is the process I am following correct
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07:39<niru>any solution
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07:42<niru>new any idea
07:42<gsimmons>niru: For the current stable release, you'd want <http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html> instead.
07:43<new>what?
07:44<gsimmons>niru: Also, it does say in section 4.4.1 to copy over either a netinst or businesscard ISO image, not a full CD image.
07:44<niru>gsimmons, whatever it may be ie sarge or etch boot.img.gz takes away 256 mb space and copying the iso image there is no splace
07:44<niru>gsimmons, 4.4.3 (businesscard, netinst or even a full CD image)
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07:45<niru>gsimmons, can i use the .gz only why is it needed to extract
07:45<gsimmons>niru: Well, use of a full CD image simply isn't possible if you're doing things "the easy way" (4.4.1). Prepare your stick using the method described in 4.4.2 instead.
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07:48<oskie>how can I find out what process "listens" on port 600/udp?
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07:51<Frolic>oskie, netstat -a | grep udp | grep 600
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07:51<oskie>thanks, but lsof | grep 600 | grep UDP showed it
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07:56<sasha>how many people here are dying whilewaiting for the 8.41 ati driver that sould be available on wednesday
07:57<JasonS>sasha: no one is
07:58<sasha>hehe
07:58<JasonS>or at least no ones dying waiting for it :)
07:58<new>I want a decent driver for my ati :T
07:58<sasha>i am , can not install debian on my comp until it will be released
07:59<new>my 3d acceleration dont works :D
07:59<JasonS>ahh but you can install it you just cant have the eye candy :)
07:59<sasha>thats true
07:59<maxamillion>new: give it a little time, amd/ati will open the drivers soon :)
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08:00<new>maxamillion, nice... :) I hope so.
08:00<sasha>new : loo on amd site on wednesday loks like the next driver will be a major change
08:00<new>woooaaah
08:00<new>good news :D
08:00<sasha>... and support ati radeon hd 2400 :)
08:00<new>Ĩ have a 1900xtx
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08:01<sasha>ati /linux all answers here http://www.phoronix.com/forums/
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08:03<Dyfrig>someone uses Knoppix?
08:03<ErJeDi>not :D
08:03<@Ganneff>!knoppix
08:03<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
08:03<new>I'll wait for the driver... (I want use beryl, woaaah)
08:03<ErJeDi>here i use debian 4.0r0
08:04<sasha>so , i need to start my first prog nder linux , it will be a deamon with a tcp/socket, mysql acess, and call to C libs , i m looking for a heap of documentation (something like msdn under windows) and good advices for the ide , can anybody help ?
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08:05<Dyfrig>thx for links - i installed it instread of cd-run - Suse and also Ubuntu doesnt run on my 386 ;)
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08:08<sasha>new : for beryl/compiz you ll have to wait for the 8.42 in end of october - november for being able to se aixgl
08:08<new>hooooly shit
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08:09<new>sasha, buts ok, im a 1-day linux user, I have a lot (A LOT) of things do learn...
08:09<new>I got time ;)
08:09<Dyfrig>#help
08:09<MrStein>(etch)How to turn off antiaalias ? (involves gaim and cygwin/x)
08:10<maxamillion>MrStein: cygwin?
08:10[~]maxamillion doesn't follow how etch connects to cygwin
08:10<MrStein>maxamillion: over TCP ;-)
08:10<maxamillion>errr ... correlates*
08:10<maxamillion>MrStein: ew
08:10<MrStein>so, antialias is a setting of the x server ?
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08:12<maxamillion>i would imagine so, yes ... but i can't really speak for your setup because i've never heard of such a thing
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08:13<MrStein>maxamillion: I doubt they reinvented X. It is just a port of X.org server. Version 6.8.99
08:13<ErJeDi>some people of here use KVirc???
08:13<cire>me and my flatmate want to benchmark our laptop's cpu. What Benchmark-tool would you prefer to do that? Is there any in dabian-tree?
08:13<ErJeDi>i have a question about KVirc
08:13<ErJeDi>:)
08:13<isuckatlinux>u could use amazonas as a spare name
08:14<ErJeDi>how to configure the notify on KVIrc???
08:14<sasha>so , i need to start my first prog nder linux , it will be a deamon with a tcp/socket, mysql acess, and call to C libs , i m looking for a heap of documentation (something like msdn under windows) and good advices for the ide , can anybody help ?
08:14<maxamillion>MrStein: well right, but you are using X over ssh via cygwin i assume?
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08:15<Dyfrig>someone has a link on how to install beryl/compiz?
08:15<niru>gsimmons, I tried the option you told
08:15<sasha>apt-get install compiz
08:15<niru>for syslinux /dev/sdb1
08:15<Dyfrig>for suse 10.2
08:15<niru>I am getting the following Syntax error at line 1 column 6 in file /root/.mtoolsrc: drive letter expected
08:15<isuckatlinux>apt-get insall beryl
08:15<niru>even I edited /root.mtoolsrc
08:15<niru>drive sdb1: file="/dev/sdb1"
08:16<niru>still same syntax error
08:16<sasha>and in some month apt-get install compiz-fuzion :)
08:16<niru>http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html section 4.4.2
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08:16<MrStein>maxamillion: server : cygwin/x on win2000; client: gaim on a debian etch system.
08:16<isuckatlinux>hopefuly will be better
08:16<isuckatlinux>than beryl
08:16<sasha>hope
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08:17<maxamillion>MrStein: wait ... what the hell? i'm very sorry but i really don't understand how that works
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08:17<mauricio>oi
08:17<niru>gsimmons, are you there
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08:19<MrStein>maxamillion: an app ... connects to X server ... and display its windows there... What is here hard to understand ? This is how X11 works since decades.
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08:20<maxamillion>MrStein: yes, but why on gods earth is cygwin on a windows machine hosting and a debian machine being the client?
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08:21<maxamillion>brb
08:21<cire>what (free) cpu benchmark tool do you prefer?
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08:23<MrStein>maxamillion: look, I am just displaying an app on my monitor. Can you help or not ?
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08:24<sasha>hi , i would like to speak a little bit with someone that is on ease with linux programmin
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08:28<gsimmons>niru: I'm unable to reproduce your behaivour. "syslinux /dev/sda1" works for me. Also, "drive sdb1:" wouldn't be accepted syntax in an mtools.conf entry.
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08:40<padski>"lists.d.o may have downtime today" -- I take it that's out of date now ?
08:41<azeem>yep
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08:42<padski> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
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08:44<shift>hi
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08:52<odine>perhaps someone can help... think i just need a new alt source for sources.list but im i used bitchx with debian back in the day and all i had to type was apt-get install bitchx to install it.... now it doesnt work, even if i add contrib and non-free it still doesnt work.... ?
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08:52<padski>bitchx is already the newest version ;-)
08:52<azeem>odine: what version of Debian?
08:53<padski>odine, and what error do you actually get ?
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08:54<sourabh>help
08:54<odine>one sec ill get the error again.... apt finishing something else up
08:54<odine>basically that the package already exists in another name or something like that
08:55<odine>running lenny/sid
08:55<padski>!help
08:55<azeem>odine: paste the full output to a pastebin
08:55<azeem>!paste
08:55<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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08:56<odine>azeem: just says bitchx not available, but is referred by another package
08:56<sourabh>suno yaron
08:56<odine>azeem: it may be missing or obslete
08:56<azeem>odine: I said, paste the full output
08:56<azeem>don't paraphrase it
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08:56<odine>*sigh* sorry ok..
08:56<azeem>also, note what dpkg said about pastebin
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08:57<azeem>odine: also, what do you mean with "running lenny/sid" Which one is it?
08:57<padski>etch-m68k is seperate category to etch on p.d.o now ?
08:57<azeem>yes, because etch officially didn't have m68k
08:57<sourabh>hello
08:57<sourabh>anyone
08:58<azeem>!ask
08:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
08:58<azeem>sourabh: ^^
08:58<padski>really? wow, I thought m68k made it in.
08:58<joaom>joaom
08:58<padski>padski
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08:58<odine>azeem: sent
08:58<azeem>odine: you'd have to paste the URL here
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08:59<joaom>joaom joao macos
08:59<odine>azeem: /etc/debian_version states lenny/sid just like that lol... i installed the newest from debian_installer so...
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09:00<azeem>odine: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list as well
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09:00<odine>http://paste.debian.net/36725
09:00<azeem>odine: I assume you're running testing then, bitchx is currently not available in testing
09:00<odine>azeem: sources.list totally unchanged from debian install... only added cotrib and non-free to the main line
09:00<JasonS>odine: apt-get is telling you to run irris instead ;)
09:00<azeem>odine: what does it say as distro then? testing/lenny or unstable/sid?
09:00<JasonS>even if i cant spell it
09:00<odine>i dont want to run irris
09:00<azeem>odine: either wait till bitchx makes it in or use irssi
09:01<odine>azeem: i told u what it says..... ;-) "lenny/sid"
09:01<azeem>odine: eh, no you didn't
09:01<odine>azeem: ill just build the source thanks anyways
09:01<lupine_85>lenny with some sid packages installed
09:01<azeem>what you told me was from debian_version
09:01<lupine_85>not that it's necessarily accurate
09:01<padski>odine, or grab the (68 days and not in testing) version in sid :-(
09:02<azeem>debian_version always says "lenny/sid" no matter whether it's fully testing, fully unstable, or a mix of both
09:02<lupine_85>sounds like it's not in testing for a reason
09:02<joaom>kero ve voce la na parsa
09:02<joaom>[
09:02<azeem>joaom: write in enlighs
09:02<azeem>!es
09:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:02<padski>bitchx is ircii-panan, yes
09:02<padski>?
09:02<azeem>that's the source package
09:02<odine>that must of changed since i last used debian then... i grabbed the latest and greatest, and installed from the debian-installer... should be testing
09:02<padski>I got confused there for a mo
09:03<azeem>odine: an easy way to find out would be to actually check in /etc/apt/sources.list
09:03<padski>see http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ircii-pana
09:03<odine>thanks for info though.. kinda figured there wasnt a binary avail... and ill use sources.list to lookup version from now on, i know i used to use debian_verison before because it didnt output like this
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09:03<odine>thanks padski
09:03<azeem>odine: it was never before, at least not for testing/unstable
09:04<padski>odine, you can get there through the p.d.o interface
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09:06<odine>azeem: i used a few years ago and it would state: stable, testing, or unstable
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09:06<azeem>I doubt that
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09:09<padski>huh? bitchx is in etch
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09:09<lupine_85>fraid so :/
09:10<padski>lol
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09:11<azeem>padski: what did you expect
09:11<lupine_85>I should go back in tiem and prevent the lead developer of bitchx from developing it, /a la/ Terminator
09:12<padski>could be a new twist to the anti-worm debate ;-)
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09:14<nubbun>How would I add a second loopback network device/interfice with different address and network address?
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09:16<padski>nubbun, I occasionally feel like doing that. my only recollection is that it is trickier than it looks :-(
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09:16<nubbun>Hmmm. Thought it would be trivial.
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09:17<padski>nubbun, you would think so wouldn't you ? perhaps it is and I just always come at it the wrong way :-)
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09:18<padski>so how do you setup your second lo device ?
09:19<padski>(an alias is not the same thing)
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09:21<lupine_85>in /etc/network/interfaces... iface lo2 inet loopback ?
09:21<lupine_85>heh. Wonder what happens if you bridge two loopback devices
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09:24<padski>lupine_85, SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
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09:26<lupine_85>hrm... yes. Need to (somehow) tell the kernel to make a second loopback device.
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09:38<n00bsh>how can I configure in the gnome, to open only 1 window?? I open a window and when I enter in another folder, open another window
09:38<n00bsh>so when I enter in 5 folders, open 5 windows..
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09:44<maxamillion>n00bsh: are you talking about the icon on the desktop?
09:44<padski>n00bsh, I don't think the usability police allow that ;-)
09:44<n00bsh>hm
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09:45<n00bsh>when I open some folder, open a window, and another, and another
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09:45<n00bsh>every time I enter in a folder, open a different window
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09:45<n00bsh>I hate to close 7, 8 windows at time :T
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09:45<maxamillion>n00bsh: what you are actually talking about is gnome's file manager called nautilus ... open a terminal and type "nautilus" and then exit and then type "nautilus --browser" (each without the quotes) and you will see the difference
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09:46<maxamillion>n00bsh: if you are launching from the desktop icon you might just need to change the command issued
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09:47<n00bsh>yes :T
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09:47<dun>n00bsh: There should be a config option in the 'Desktop' menu.
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09:47<n00bsh>sure.... I want enter in /mnt/downloads/linux/themes/wallpapers
09:47<n00bsh>6 folders
09:47<n00bsh>are opened :T
09:48<n00bsh>cause, I enter in /mnt
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09:48<n00bsh>when I enter in /downloads, another window opens
09:48[~]maxamillion stops typing because it doesn't appear to be doing anything
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09:48<n00bsh>maxamillion, I tryed :T
09:49<maxamillion>n00bsh: did "nautilus --browser" do what you were wanting?
09:50<n00bsh>oh yeah
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09:50<n00bsh>yeah baby ;)
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09:50<azeem>n00bsh: there's an option for that
09:51<n00bsh>where?
09:51<maxamillion>OMG ... we have already covered all this
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09:51<azeem>maxamillion: ?
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09:51<n00bsh>maxamillion, nautilus brownser works fine, thanks a lot.
09:52<maxamillion>azeem: nothing, just a little frustrated because n00bsh has already been told how and where to look to fix this ... twice, yet he still asks
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09:52<maxamillion>n00bsh: anytime
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09:53<azeem>maxamillion: you told him about nautilus --browser
09:53<n00bsh>yeah
09:53<elijah>I'm fetching my mail with getmail into a maildir in my home directory (~/Mail). I'm trying to get 'new mail' notifications on the command line. I followed the directions on wiki.debian.org/MaildirConfiguration with no luck. Suggestions?
09:53<azeem>n00bsh: check nautilus-file-management-properties
09:53<n00bsh>nautilus --browser works
09:53<n00bsh>azeem, lets see
09:53<maxamillion>azeem: and i also told him to change the setting for the desktop icon (that i assume is what is giving him greif)
09:53<azeem>n00bsh: yeah, but you can change the system default to browser via nautilus-file-management-properties
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09:54<n00bsh>yeah, Im trying to do it ;)
09:54<azeem>n00bsh: also, when you hit ctrl while opening a new folder, the current one disappears
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09:55<Tim>how do I enable PAE in dom0? Top shows only ~3GB Ram
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09:56<n00bsh>azeem, ty buddy
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09:56<billy5>hi there! how can i configure dhclient so it does the dhcp-request in the background?
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09:58<azeem>billy5: why don't you just use ifup?
09:58<azeem>billy5: and what's your real problem?
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09:58<billy5>azeem: I want to decrease boot time
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09:59<themill>billy5: is your dhcp server really that slow? or is this for when you're offline (e.g. a laptop that's not connected)
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10:00<billy5>themill: yes to both
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10:01<themill>billy5: to help with offline stuff, you could look at ifplugd+guessnet. They, when properly configured, will only bring up your interface when it's actually plugged in so you don't need to wait for the timeout from dhcp when the cable is unplugged.
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10:02<themill>billy5: And if you're in the same place for most of the time, can you use a static ip instead of the slow dhcp server?
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10:03<themill>billy5: once again, guessnet can help a lot with that. ("If I'm on the home network then use this IP, if I'm at work then use this other IP, otherwise try dhcp")
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10:04<billy5>themill: hm... i'll look for guessnet and see if that's it... thx
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10:04<themill>billy5: you're welcome. I used them extensively for a few years in exactly that sort of config and for those reasons.
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10:05<themill>billy5: I think there is an article on debian-administration.org about them. Might be worth looking.
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10:06<billy5>themill: ok :) thx
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10:24<rcdeoliveira>Buenas?
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11:17<sheldonh>is the time reported by top as being used in wait state (%wa) a subcategory of idle? asked another way, if there was more demand on the cpus from usr and sys, would they eat into what's currently reported as %wa?
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11:19<Guest3187>hi :)
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11:39<kevinl>heya
11:39<kevinl>on ubuntu: E: Your version of debootstrap or cdebootstrap is outdated and does not support ubuntu.
11:39<kevinl>trying to do lh_config
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11:39<kevinl>from live_helper downloaded from live.debian.net
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11:39<kevinl>installed via dpkg -i
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11:39<kevinl>any ideas please?
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11:49<JasonS>umm kevinl you're asking about ubuntu in #debian ?
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11:50<themill>JasonS: I think he's trying to install debian
11:50[~]JasonS rereads
11:51<azeem>he left anyway
11:51<JasonS>true
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11:54<padski>how do I change the title of a window (xchat in particular)
11:54<padski>in kde/kwin
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11:55<Eulex>you try to find such an option in the application. if there is none, you patch the app to change it or to add such an option.
11:56<padski>I hoped there was a way to override it from the window manager
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11:58<stroyan>padski: You can rename a window with the xwit command.
11:58<padski>lol, I found a forum thread where some windows folks are having at it with a hex editor :-)
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11:59<padski>stroyan, thank you very much! looks like a handy tool
11:59<stroyan>padski: Given the way that xchat keeps updating the window title, it seems like it will get the last word.
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12:00<padski>probably, but I thought it might be worth a try. as Eulex says I can always patch the source
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12:08<fifth_element>when i run xmms on debian etch fonts on the menu is not diaplyed...plz help
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12:09<ErJeDi>install the fonts for xf86 :D
12:09<ErJeDi>using synaptic
12:09<ErJeDi>fifth_element:
12:09<fifth_element>okay
12:09<stroyan>fifth_element: What desktop are you using? Is it gnome based?
12:09<fifth_element>gnome
12:10<ErJeDi>the packages exactly does not have an idea of what are :)
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12:16<fifth_element><ErJeDi>: sorry it ain't working
12:17<ErJeDi>i have my xmms working with fonts
12:17<ErJeDi>:D
12:17<ErJeDi>simply install it :D
12:17<ErJeDi>but i don't have an idea of what types of fonts are
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12:18<fxiny>fifth_element: check/edit preferences > fonts
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12:18<ErJeDi>fxiny
12:18<fxiny>ErJeDi: hi
12:18<ErJeDi>the problem is with the fonts not displayer correctly :)
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12:19<ErJeDi>displayed , sorry :(
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12:19<fxiny>ErJeDi: he can choose what he wants , there is a browse button too
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12:19<ErJeDi>:)
12:19<ErJeDi>i have no problem with XMMS
12:20<fxiny>ErJeDi: i don't have anymore such problems since i run xmms2 :)
12:21<ErJeDi>i run xmms what version? don't have any idea :D :D
12:21<fxiny>but i don't recommend it : i am totally addicted to xmms2 cli ;)
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12:22<smoke>exit
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12:34<test1>is there anyone experienced with RAID controller with via6421 chipset ?
12:34<test1>someones could use it under linux but i could not
12:34<test1>can anyone any suggestions for me?
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12:35<test1>i even cann't find the /dev device file related to hard-disk attached to it :-(
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12:36<kurumin>il.com
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12:36<test1>what is its naming convention of /dev device files?
12:37<test1>is there anyone suggesting a good and reliable RAID controller with IDE-hard support ?
12:37<test1>i need to attach IDE(PATA) hard dist to it.
12:37<simonrvn>i didn't see anyone do that
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12:39<test1>is there anyoe experienced with one of RAID controllers introduced here: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
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12:42<debian-live-newbie>hi
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12:43<test1>hi
12:44<debian-live-newbie>anyone have any idea were i can get help about compiz or beryl on irc
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12:47<n3x>do you need to built an initrd for a custom kernel ?
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12:47<suiside>debian-live-newbie: /msg chanserv list *beryl
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12:48<suiside>debian-live-newbie: /msg chanserv list *beryl* and /msg chanserv list *compiz*
12:48<suiside>take a pick
12:49<sheldonh>meh, smartctl says my ST910021A doesn't support SMART
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12:50<fgh>when will vlc be readded to Lenny? :)
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12:51<JasonS>when the bugs are fixed
12:51<n3x>hi tcsetattr
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12:53<n3x>tcsetattr do you need an initd for a custom kernel ?
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12:56<chealer>fgh: when xulrunner build on mipsen, or when it's forced despite the missing mispen builds.
12:56<suiside>n3x: depends on how you configured it
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12:56<suiside>n3x: if you have everything vital compiled in you shouldn't need and initrd
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12:57<sheldonh>aha, smartctl -d ata
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12:58<n3x>oz54:/boot# mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22 2.6.22
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12:59<n3x>Finding volume group "oz54.onezerohosting.com"
12:59<n3x>oz54:/boot#
12:59<n3x>does that mean im on a Virtual Server ?
12:59<petemc>you shouldnt be using mkinitrd
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13:00<Guest3194>knoppix
13:00<Guest3194>rules
13:01<JasonS>!knoppix
13:01<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
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13:02<n3x>petemc ?
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13:03<petemc>use mkinitramfs
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13:10<P1R0>/names
13:10<oz>!fr
13:10<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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13:11<fxiny>ibm move to help oo : http://www.openoffice.org/press/ibm_press_release.html
13:12<xfghfghg>i i need some help with cygwin does anybody knows a good place ?
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13:14<chealer>fxiny: if someone cares, they'll learn from mailing lists
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13:14<fxiny>chealer: true
13:14<stroyan>xfghfghg: Perhaps http://x.cygwin.com/chat.html
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13:19<stroyan>xfghfghg: That points to #cygwinx on irc.freenode.net for cygwin x server. But looking at freenode I see #cygwin.
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13:19<bkerin>what group do I add a user to to let them use usblib?
13:20<bkerin>I get errors like ' usb_open(): cannot read serial number "error sending control message: Operation not permitted' when I run a usblib-using application as non-root
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13:20<Myon>is there a README.Debian?
13:21<sheldonh>there is indeed, and it seems to address non-root libusb usage :)
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13:22<bkerin>oh... thanks
13:22<Myon>that's always the first place to look
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13:26<tcsetattr>unfortunately libusb's README.Debian (the one in stable at least) doesn't mention the udev-created /dev/bus/usb which libusb actually uses in preference to /proc/bus/usb if present
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13:26<NeXX>hey guys
13:26<NeXX>any one around? i need a hand with something
13:27<Myon>!ask
13:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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13:27<NeXX>:)
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13:27<NeXX>allrighty then. I just installed Debian but i didn't get the GCC compiler installed with it, im kinda new to linux and im having problems figuring out how to get it on there
13:28<weasel>apt-get install build-essential
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13:28<NeXX>what is apt-get?
13:29<nomadium>NeXX: somethng magic
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13:30<nomadium>NeXX: with apt-get you can install software
13:30<nomadium>NeXX: man apt-get
13:30<NeXX>thank you, thats exactly what i was looking for
13:30<billy5>NeXX: or you try aptitude
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13:30<nomadium>yep
13:32<NeXX>that totally helped, thanks again
13:32<NeXX>here i was trying to compile it myself without a compiler lol
13:32<NeXX>wasn't working too well
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13:36<rjbase89>Hi is there a basic debian channel that I can log onto for more basic debian questions?
13:36<NeXX>i think you can just ask here
13:37<NeXX>!ask
13:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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13:37<N3bunel>hy
13:37<N3bunel>how y add user with root privilegies of ubuntu 6.06 ?
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13:37<JasonS>!ubuntu
13:37<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
13:37<rjbase89>I don't know. After years of dealing with Debian I still don't understand alot of what your talking about
13:38<N3bunel>ok
13:38<N3bunel>thx
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13:38<rjbase89>That is not to knock you people ... I am learning but not fast enough I think...
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13:40<rjbase89>For instance I am trying to get ipx3945 wireless up and running on my new laptop. Having trouble with it.
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13:44<rjbase89>dpkg < I am running Debian 4.0 (Etch) wiith 2.64.686 and I would like to install support for Intel pro ipx3945 wilreless
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13:47<NeXX>is apt-get only for debian?
13:47[~]NeXX has fallen in love with apt-get
13:47<Avalith>Debian and Debian-based distros, if memory serves.
13:47<lupine_85>apt-rpm gives an apt-get frontend for RPM-based distros
13:48<lupine_85>and, of course, you can then run synaptic or adept on top of that
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13:48<Avalith>I'm having a bit of trouble with getting my wireless working properly on Debian using this tutorial: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/HOW_TO_install_the_Broadcom_bcm43xx_Driver_in_Debian_Linux_and_enable_WPA_Encryption
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13:49<Avalith>I can get down to the part where you scan for a connection without a problem, but then I get this message:
13:49<Avalith>eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning.
13:50<Avalith>So now ifup won't work because my system can't scan for available wireless networks and I've followed that tutorial exactly and it's gone without a hitch thus far.
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13:51<Avalith>Is there a way to enable scanning on eth1?
13:51<Avalith>Or would the problem be that I'm currently connected via a wired connection?
13:52<tcsetattr>obviously you can't run iw* commands on a non-wireless interface
13:52<Avalith>I have a wireless interface available, that much I know from when I was running Windows on this machine before.
13:53<Avalith>But after switching to Debian, the wireless interface seems almost like it's nonexistent now.
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13:54<tcsetattr>if eth1 isn't it, then you can't scan with it!
13:54<Avalith>eth1 is my wireless interface.
13:55<Avalith>I know that for a fact from using wireless on Ubuntu.
13:55<Avalith>But I'd like to get Debian set up so that I can use wireless on it so I don't have to boot into Ubuntu every time I'm near a wireless network.
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13:57<tcsetattr>don't be sure they have the same correspondence of eth* names to devices
13:57<tcsetattr>any other evidence that eth1 is the wireless interface?
13:58<Avalith>When installing Ubuntu, it noted eth1 as my Broadcom Wireless NIC.
13:58<Avalith>And my wired connection that I'm on right now is eth0.
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14:11<admont>wow
14:11<NeXX>thats one hell of a split
14:11<lupine_85>not particularly
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14:11<Eulex>NeXX, we happened to be on the relay that split from the others. therefore everyone that wasn't on our relay appeared to split and rejoin for us.
14:11<NeXX>when i go uname -r it tells me my kernel version right? but there is no such place as linux-headers
14:11<NeXX>i see
14:11<Eulex>NeXX, others will just see us 30-40 that were on that relay quit and join
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14:11<Eulex>NeXX, linux-headers-`uname -r` would expand to the exact package name. did you want the path to the headers in your file system?
14:11<NeXX>yes thats what i ment
14:11<NeXX>im trying to install vmware tools, but it doesn't have an auto configure script so i have to do it manually i guess
14:11<NeXX>and its asking me where my C headers are
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14:12<Eulex>NeXX, /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include . note that the kernel header package for your kernel _must_ be installed.
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14:12<NeXX>ok lemme check
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14:12<NeXX>yeah there is nothing in the /usr/src dir
14:13<NeXX>so i do an apt-get?
14:13<tfrei_>does anybody know howto display html emails after using enigmail - iceweasel just display html as raw text!?
14:13<JasonS>tfrei_: as it should :)
14:13<Eulex>NeXX, yes. of the package I told you to.
14:14<tfrei_>JasonS: why
14:14<JasonS>html email is evil
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14:14[~]JasonS waits for the war to start :)
14:14<tfrei_>JasonS: ok and how to display html again?
14:14<tcsetattr>html is evil
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14:14<JasonS>tfrei_: no idea, i set up my email clients to show it as plain text as html has no place in email as far as im concerned
14:18<tfrei_>JasonS: ok tnx anyway
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14:18<n3x>vi .config # Search for EXT3 inplace of m write y line 3261 CONFIG_EXT3_FS do i need to add this to my config
14:18<n3x>when upgrading kernel 2.6.18 to 2.6.22/
14:18<n3x>because when i follow the basic steps, the kernel dosnt boot. heh
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14:24<chealer>n3x: no
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14:30<creeed>hello, witch packages are necessary to install the vnc-server?
14:30<chealer>creeed: which VNC server?
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14:31<fluor->hello - what's the recommanded package to install java on Debian?
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14:31<creeed>the default one to view VNC on a remote computer..
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14:32<n3x>what command would show me how much RAM is installed in the PC
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14:34<admont>n3x: free
14:34<n3x>admont
14:34<n3x>can i pm you ?
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14:43<drowning_fish>anyone want a fire eel? needs a new home!
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14:44<lupine_85>a what now?
14:45<fluor->does anyone have an icewaesel that reads Java ok?
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14:45<tcsetattr>fire eel... must be the new replacement for netscape/firebird/firefox
14:45<tcsetattr>debian's version will be called frozenwaterwriggler
14:45<qbit>haha
14:46<lupine_85>should've used metalstoat
14:46<lupine_85>>:3
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14:46<qbit>snowpanda
14:46<drowning_fish>muppets
14:46<lupine_85>no, that doesn't follow the naming scheme
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14:47<tcsetattr>drizzlebadger
14:48<qbit>wetbadger
14:48<qbit>then we could have a "poke it with spoons" plugin
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14:51<velko>i'm trying to split a program into two packages: program.deb and program-data.deb packages but have trouble with it. can someone help me with info about this?
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14:54<baskak>hello, help needed. i have system failure (x-windows can't be started) after massive packet upgrade which ended with locales problem during installing (setting local failed. please check that your local settings [...] are supported and installed). i tried to first of all reconfigure the packages but it doesn't work due to the same error. seems like a loop. thanks in advance
14:55<tcsetattr>did you check that your locale settings are supported and installed?
14:56<baskak>i have no idea how to do it... i only learned about the dpkg-reconfigure option
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14:57<tcsetattr>how about this... type "locale" at your prompt.
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14:58<velko>is there any channel where i can ask questions related to package building?
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14:58<baskak>LANG=pl_PL // LANGUAGE=pl_PL:pl:en_GB:en // [all other fields:]"pl_PL"
14:58<baskak>it seems right
14:59<tcsetattr>there is a #debian-devel, or something similar
14:59<velko>thanks, i'll try it
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15:00<tcsetattr>the :en part looks bad to me. we had someone yesterday with LC_ALL=en and it's not supported that way.
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15:01<tcsetattr>en_GB, en_US, en_AU... even en_CA, eh?
15:01<baskak>LC_ALL=pl_PL
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15:01<tcsetattr>ugh.
15:01<tcsetattr>did I ask you about your LC_ALL?
15:02<baskak>i put it above
15:02<tcsetattr>no, I didn't. I told you that I think the problem is the :en (which you can see at the end of the LANGUAGE in what you already pasted).
15:02<baskak>oh, sorry then
15:02<tcsetattr>then I related a story about something that happened *yesterday*, involving an "en" which was in *someone else's* LC_ALL. just observing a similarity.
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15:03<baskak>i can get rid of the en_GB in tec/environment, shall i try it?
15:03<baskak>*etc
15:03<tcsetattr>chop the :en and see what happens. en_GB should be complete enough that there's no need for a third fallback anyway.
15:03<tcsetattr>ugh. are you still not paying attention?
15:03<NeXX>can someone tell me how to connect to my external usb harddrives?
15:03<tcsetattr>let me try it again... "en"==BAD "en_GB"==GOOD.
15:03<tcsetattr>get that yet?
15:04<NeXX>i guess i'll have to mount them right?
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15:04<baskak>i'm sorry, i'm trying to be a good pupil. how should i chop the ":en", then?
15:04<baskak>:)
15:04<Knifa>Everytime I reboot, Debian seems to wipe my /etc/motd file. I've commeted out the lines in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh that automatically writes to it on startup so I can set my own MOTD but I don't understand why it clears it.
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15:05<tcsetattr>I don't know. where did you put it in the first place?
15:05<aptituz>Knifa: you want to change motd.tail
15:05<aptituz>see man motd
15:05<Knifa>Ah okay. Thanks.
15:06<tcsetattr>if he commented out the motd.tail stuff in the init script, that shouldn't matter
15:06<aptituz>well, thats right
15:06<Knifa>Yeah, I still don't understand why it clears it in the first place.
15:06<Knifa>seems a bit pointless
15:07<aptituz>so i complete my suggestion: whatever you did in bootmisc.sh, make it undid and do it the right way (tm)
15:07<baskak>i didn't at all at first, it was like this by default after installing the system from scratch.
15:07<Knifa>okay :p
15:07<Knifa>thanks.
15:07<aptituz>i'm pretty sure you have forgotten something when commenting
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15:07<baskak>sorry, this may be a bit confusing. the answer is: i didn't at all
15:08<tcsetattr>baskak, I don't know where it comes from then. try "grep :en /etc/*"
15:08<Knifa>i had a look around but couldn't find anything. mystery!
15:08<Knifa>i shall just do it the right way
15:08<aptituz>yeah
15:08<aptituz>makes life easier, then to handle the own modifications
15:08<Knifa>indeed
15:08<aptituz>narf.. i hate entropy problems on servers
15:09<aptituz>grml
15:09<baskak>the result: etc/environment:LANGUAGE="pl_PL:pl:en_GB:en"
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15:10<tcsetattr>so chop the :en out of /etc/environment. then when you log in again it won't be there and apt will not complain so much
15:10<aptituz>then change it there :P
15:10<baskak>okay, i'll try
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15:12<patrik>hi
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15:12<n3x>sup at
15:12<n3x>pat*
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15:12<O-2012-O>howdy y'all
15:12<Knifa>actually, just editing mod.tail won't work since I have it set to add a fortune to it every hour. The script adds the mod.tail to the motd, but only on boot up. It's incredibly cheesy, I know, but what should I do here? Just write to the MOTD file everytime like the way bootmisc.sh script does?
15:12<n3x>sup O-2012-O
15:13<O-2012-O>got a Q , I am kinda newbie on linux, and i installed latest debian
15:13<O-2012-O>kicks ass btw
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15:13<n3x>....
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15:13<O-2012-O>but i want tpo manage apache bind mysql etc from gui, is there app for that?
15:14<aptituz>Knifa: if you don't want bootmisc.sh to change /etc/motd then remove the link from /var/run/motd -> /etc/motd
15:14<n3x>try xammp
15:14<aptituz>Knifa: then you are able to be the boss over /etc/motd
15:14<Knifa>ah that is a good idea.
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15:14<Knifa>thanks :3
15:14<grummund>hi all, my logs show Unauthorized attempts to connect to my AP. I have SSID Broadcast disabled. So does that mean a deliberate attempt at an unauthorized connect?
15:15<O-2012-O>and I don't mean webmin
15:17<O-2012-O>n3x I even forgot how to pm , smoke too much gigglesmoke i suppose
15:17<O-2012-O>this is a man who has war with remotes
15:17<n3x>gigglesmoke ?
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15:18<baskak>i edited the /etc/environment, getting rid of the ":en" part. and i tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales". there is the same error, though refledting the change: [...] perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings // LANGUAGE = "pl_PL:pl:en_GB", [...]
15:18<O-2012-O>never mind the ganja, can you help me?
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15:19<tcsetattr>I wonder if the "pl" has the same problem as the "en". and where that /etc/environment came from
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15:19<O-2012-O>i remember one linux distro ( could be mandrake) that had all servers in GUI
15:20<Knifa>aptituz: I found out what happens. bootclean clears out /var/run on bootup, which is where the motd is.
15:20<baskak>i think i was asked by the system during installing (though it was quite time ago) to define the locales
15:20<n3x>O-2012-O what exactly are you trying to do /
15:20<aptituz>lol
15:21<Knifa>indeed
15:21<Knifa>success!
15:21<aptituz>hm.. i just had a very strange thing. i uploaded some files via scp to a remote hosts debarchiver incoming dir, first file is okay. all files thereafter fail. reason: i was in the wrong group, thats clear. but why did the first upload succeed?
15:22<NeXX>what's one of the best linux movie viewers?
15:22<O-2012-O>vlc
15:22<Knifa>or mplayer
15:22<n3x>WMM
15:22<n3x>WMP
15:22<NeXX>is WMP for linux?
15:22<n3x>with wine
15:22<ameyer>I doubt it actually works
15:22<baskak>but that was definitely some sort of interactive menu to choose from, if at all
15:22<ameyer>and WMP sucks anyway
15:23<n3x>http://www.codeweavers.com/products/
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15:23<O-2012-O>the only thing I could not manage too do in vlc is watch a mvie from a noetwork drive, it downloaded it first
15:23<Knifa>it would work but it's probably not such a good idea
15:23<O-2012-O>typing from silicon kbord, sorry
15:24<themill>NeXX: totem or xine are good
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15:24<NeXX>yeah debian comes with totem, but im finding it sketchy
15:24<O-2012-O>lemetry hook up a apple imac kbord :))
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15:24<NeXX>maybe its because im going thru vmware but im not sure
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15:25<O-2012-O>bummer
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15:26<Balsus>Hi all \0/
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15:26<Balsus>What a lovely September we are having
15:27<Balsus>in the UK that is
15:28<Balsus>So whats on for discussion today
15:28<O-2012-O>does debiaan detect and install kbord without reboot or logout?
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15:29<Balsus>Not sure mate only one why to find out.
15:29<lupine_85>O-2012-O: it's fine
15:30<Balsus>*one way
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15:30<tonytux>if I wanted to build a distro is there a program to help me collect and satisfy the dependancies for .deb's?
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15:30<prahal>what have we as calendar server ?
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15:31<NeXX>tonytux: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org
15:31<tonytux>thank you NeXX
15:31<NeXX>np
15:31<O-2012-O>yeah!!
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15:31<O-2012-O>other usb port recognized
15:31<O-2012-O>frigging awesome
15:31<lupine_85>>:3
15:32<O-2012-O><--sounds like steve jobs now
15:32<O-2012-O>'boom" here and a " boom " there
15:32<Balsus>LOL
15:34<O-2012-O>but anyway, I came here to ask a question about debian, I installed apache, mysql, bind, samba server and some more stuff, now I want to manage those, or some of those servers from within the GUI
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15:35<O-2012-O>what is keeping the gaming industry from focussing on linux btw? cause that would make it verry complete
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15:35<dkr>O-2012-O: market share
15:35<Balsus>I have installed ruby on rails on my Ubuntu and tried to watch some screen casts which are *.mov with Totem movie player. I get a error saying gstreamer encountered a stream error. I can watch all the mov trailers from aplles sight but not the screencast from http://www.rubyonrails.org/screencasts any help would be appreciated
15:36<qvvx>Is it possible to make compiz working with the xorg "nv" driver on etch?
15:36<O-2012-O>hmmm, market share, I see a verry matuse os in linux
15:36<dkr>O-2012-O: you might want to look into webmin, i tlets you admin some of those services with a gui
15:36<O-2012-O>*mature
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15:36<O-2012-O>I allready USE webmin dkr\
15:36<amphi>qvvx: no
15:36<qvvx>amphi: thx
15:36<O-2012-O>I need stuff to manage that shit from console
15:37<ameyer>isn't webmin a steaming pile of security holes?
15:37<amphi>qvvx: and nouveau isn't there yet, AFAIK
15:37<dkr>O-2012-O: sure, but if <5% run linux, it's not worth spending 30+% of your resources on coding fo that market. especially since 3 of those 5% are smart enough to use wine or dual boot to play the game anyway
15:37<O-2012-O>could well be a security disaster, but so am I behind a unix driven machine
15:37<dkr>O-2012-O: well, you can use a text editor to edit the config files from console. That's what i do. :)
15:38<O-2012-O>u got a point there kdx
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15:38<Knifa>the wiki says webmin isn't supported anymore
15:38<NeXX>does any one know of a good program for simulating circuits?
15:38<NeXX>electrical circuits that is
15:39<NeXX>like logic gates and resistors and what not
15:39<Balsus>http://www.rubyonrails.org/screencasts can any one play these on Ubuntu totem player or is it just me.
15:39<Balsus>I have tried installing codecs which failed
15:39<dkr>NeXX: hrm, there is a free clone of pspice in debian, but i forget the name at the moment
15:39<Balsus>to play the *.mov files
15:39<Balsus>sorry cross way chat
15:39<ameyer>Balsus: does this look like #ubuntu?
15:40<dkr>NeXX: oregano
15:40<NeXX>thanks dkr
15:40<themill>NeXX: I use qucs
15:40<azeem>Balsus: please ask in #ubuntu on freenode
15:40<Balsus>thanks
15:40<NeXX>ok i'll take a look at both
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15:41<themill>NeXX: qucs has a nice gui for it too. We've been hammering it with rf simulations and it's stood up to them quite well. Also runs under windoze which can be handy.
15:42<NeXX>indeed...can i do an apt-get on that one?
15:42<NeXX>apparently i can :D
15:42<themill>NeXX: yep. The version in etch is a little outdated as it has moved along a bit.
15:43<themill>NeXX: but it's still quite good.
15:43<NeXX>k
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15:44<baskak>tcsetattr: i am using the 2.6.14-1-multimedia-386 kernel of abandoned demudi subdistribution of debian. that's why i switched to #debian irc help channel, since there's no more demudi crew and therefore support. i didnt do much on this system, so i CAN reinstall the whole system from scratch using ubuntu studio or 64 studio multimedia debian "remix", suitable for my purposes (although reinstalling is not what's expected from linux, i believe
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15:44<lupine_85>baskak: you could /try/ an in-place upgrade to the debian repos, but it might get a bit hairty
15:45<lupine_85>you'd need to be a 1337 d00d to pull it off
15:45<tcsetattr>did you try getting rid of the "pl"?
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15:46<baskak>yes
15:46<baskak>no difference
15:46<tcsetattr>what is apt's complaint, exactly?
15:46<tcsetattr>and by the way, to switch from one distribution to another and keep the distribution's packaging tools happy, yes you DO expect to have to reinstall.
15:46<Knifa>why does apache and mysql eat up 180mb of ram D:
15:47<themill>because it's tasty
15:47<Knifa>delicious.
15:47<NeXX>heh this is a bit silly but i did an apt-get install qucs and it did it, but now i cant figure out how to run the proggy...qucs in bash doesn't do any thing, says not a command
15:47<baskak>aha, i thought demudi is a debian variant, not exactly another distribution
15:47<baskak>that's why i chose to update
15:47<craigevil>!debian-based
15:47<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has less people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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15:48<themill>NeXX: /usr/bin/qucs should be part of qucs
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15:48<baskak>i see. so, since the demudi distribution is dead, seems i have to reinstall from scratch. am i right?
15:48<O-2012-O>i need a drink, i get a dry throat from typing and reading :P
15:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 328] by debhelper
15:49<O-2012-O>I guess Ill go to a plumbers # for my question also
15:49<NeXX>wierd i cant find qucs any where
15:49<tcsetattr>if you don't have a clue how to debug your locale problem (and I think you are clueless since you haven't even quoted an error message after being here for half an hour or more) then you should reinstall.
15:49<NeXX>i'll do an updatedb i think
15:49<tcsetattr>people who know what they're doing can recover from all kinds of screwups without reinstalling or even rebooting. you are apparently not one of those
15:50[~]NeXX doesn't know what he is doing
15:50<NeXX>:)
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15:50<baskak>tcsetattr: please don't kick me. i'm a newbie, that's why i addressed this channel, as adviced by the debian.org page.
15:51<baskak>i tried to give a concise description of the error
15:51<NeXX>doh, i'm so dumb
15:51<NeXX>i changed my nic config in vmware before i rebooted and now i dont have internet, i thought it had installed the proggy but it said no connection to internet lol
15:52<tcsetattr>well, transforming one distribution into another without reinstalling is not newbie stuff.
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15:53<tcsetattr>I'm constantly amazed at the complex and delicate adminstrative tasks people attempt to perform without having 1% of the necessary experience
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15:53<tcsetattr>the scary part is that they sometimes succeed :)
15:53<themill>NeXX: :have another go.... ;)
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15:54<baskak>that's why i ask for advice. i believe i'm entitled to misunderstood the subtleties between (sub)distributions, especially that demudi has debain in its name
15:54<NeXX>yup, just fixing some things....btw...in linux what is the ip release and renew procedure?
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15:54<baskak>*debian
15:54<baskak>"debian multimedia distribution"
15:55<NeXX>ifconfig?
15:55<Knifa>Can I get aptitude to show what date a package was updated on?
15:55<baskak>okay, the lesson is i'm to reinstall the system from scratch, as far as i understood. thanks for help, and please don't be so severe to newbies.
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15:56<tcsetattr>the lesson is also you need to read the error messages, understand them, and do some investigating on your own. and if you *have* to have people on IRC hold your hand, at least quote the error messages!
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15:57<tcsetattr>there's no hope for someone who doesn't quote error messages when asking for help. no hope at all.
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15:58<NeXX>:) i just deactivated and then reactivated the nic card, got me a new ip......i feel so cheap but it worked :)
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15:58<baskak>i tried to give a concise description (including quotes) at the beginning.
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15:59<NeXX>nice qucs looks pretty good
15:59<NeXX>thanks
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15:59<tcsetattr>paraphrased and edited error messages are not good
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16:00<tcsetattr>what command did you run (dpkg --configure -a?) and what did it say
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16:02<themill>NeXX: np. "ifdown ethX; ifup ethX" takes the iface down and then back up to get a new IP addr
16:02<NeXX>where X is the adaptor you want to use?
16:03<NeXX>btw, why do they use 'f' in that?
16:03<themill>NeXX: where ethX is the name of the nic. It's normally eth0 eth1 etc, but it could also be wlan0 etc
16:03<themill>NeXX: InterFace
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16:03<NeXX>ooh
16:03<themill>NeXX: it works for more than just Internet Protocol so ipconfig is a silly name... ifconfig ;)
16:04<NeXX>hehe
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16:05<NeXX>this qucs is just what i was looking for
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16:06<NeXX>omg it even has a compent library
16:06<themill>NeXX: are you actually running vmware under windows? If so, then perhaps look at the native versions from qucs.sf.net
16:06<baskak>okay, to start from scratch. my first attempt was to do the update via synaptic packet manager. it found a massive upgrade is needed (i left all choice to the programme), and downloaded some 1000 files, 600 MB, as far as i remember. it started to install, and the locales error kept repeating (i can't quote it). then, after restart, the x-windows didn't get up, with additional extra errors, as far as i can tell. i tried "dpkg-reconfigure loca
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16:06<NeXX>yes vmware under windows
16:07<themill>NeXX: the documentation is sparse but improving. There are how-tos and examples on the qucs.sf.net website though (as pdfs)
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16:07<NeXX>the one thru apt-get is not native?
16:08<themill>NeXX: it's native for debian, but you can also just install it under windows without using debian at all if that's easier for you.
16:08<NeXX>kk
16:08<themill>NeXX: there's a setup.exe you can dl from their website ;)
16:08<NeXX>yeah thats handy also
16:08[~]themill wonders why on earth he's encouraging someone to use windoze not debian....
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16:09<NeXX>lol
16:09<NeXX>im just testing out debian, seeing how i like it, so far with that apt-get proggy its verry nice
16:09<NeXX>that was the one problem i've always had with linux was installing new programs
16:10<NeXX>i always seemed to run into errors, but now i think i might just install debian without vmware
16:10<tcsetattr>baskak, IRC has a line length limit and you broke it. we can't see all of what you typed.
16:10<themill>NeXX: for fresh installs, aptitude is recommended over apt-get. It works the same way but is smarter. Apt(-get|itude) is one of the things that we all love about debian.
16:10<themill>!tell NeXX about why aptitude
16:10<baskak>i ended at "result:" to continue in next lines
16:10[~]tcsetattr grumbles some more about the bursty speechifying style of communication encouraged by some people around here
16:11[~]themill grumbles about "verification" (speechifying???)
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16:11<baskak>did you see that?
16:11<themill>*verbification
16:11[~]lupine_85 kicks aptitude to teh ground and stamps on it's fingers
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16:11<themill>bah... should go to bed ;)
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16:11<baskak>now i'll continue with the error message
16:12<tcsetattr>ended with "i tried "dpkg-reconfigure loca"
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16:13<oscar>#debian-es
16:14<NeXX>heh
16:14<baskak>okay, sorry and thanks. my text contd.:
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16:15<baskak>i tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales", with following result:
16:15<baskak>perl: warning: Setting locale filed. // perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: // LANGUAGE = "pl_PL" // LC_ALL = "pl_PL" // LANG = "pl_PL" // are supported and installed on your system. //
16:15<tcsetattr>and a _packet_ is not a _package_. many non-native-English-speakers seem to get confused. packets are flowing on the network. packages are installed in your filesystem.
16:15<baskak>perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C") // locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory // locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory //
16:16<baskak>locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory // debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome // debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?) //
16:16<baskak>debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog // /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully instaled
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16:16<tcsetattr>this is after you got rid of that ":pl:" and ":en" thing from your environment, right?
16:16<rjbase89_>Hi I am running Debian Etch. I am looking for info for installing support for Intel ipw3945 wireless
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16:16<chealer>!tell rjbase89_ about ipw3945
16:17<tcsetattr>because everything that happened before you cleaned your environment is completely uninteresting.
16:17<baskak>yes, but the error message was the same before
16:17<tcsetattr>did you log in again, or actually change the environment variable? because /etc/environment is not actually referenced except when you login.
16:18<baskak>i did restart after every change in /etc/environment
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16:18<tcsetattr>run "locale -a" and see what it lists
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16:19<rjbase89_>Chealer < can you tell me anything about ipw 3945 wireless?
16:19<chealer>rjbase89_: did you see the factoid dpkg sent you?
16:19<baskak>here it goes:
16:19<baskak>locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory // locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory // locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory // C // POSIX
16:19<rjbase89_>chealer < no sir
16:20<chealer>rjbase89_: which IRC client do you use? you should have received a private message from dpkg.
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16:20<baskak>ps. thanks for _package_ update, i appreciate
16:20<rjbase89_>chealer < I am using Xchat ... its new to me.
16:20<tcsetattr>just C and POSIX? no en_?? or pl_?? listed?
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16:21<baskak>that's exactly all, i just re-checked
16:21<chealer>oh
16:21<chealer>!ipw3945
16:21<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
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16:22<chealer>rjbase89_: I put the factoid in the channel now.
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16:23<rjbase89_>Chealer < thanks... I am familar with apt /sources.list but am not sure of the entries necessary for contirb and non-free
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16:24<chealer>!non-free
16:24<dpkg>non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there. See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about <vrms>
16:24<tcsetattr>baskak, I think you should run "LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales"
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16:25<tcsetattr>seems pretty lame that if your locale is invalid because it's not installed, you can't run dpkg-reconfigure locales to install it. oh well :)
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16:26<chealer>!non-free sources
16:26<dpkg>from memory, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses.
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16:27<rjbase89_>dpkg < thanks... I will have to update the kernel first though...
16:27<ben_goodger>heh
16:28<baskak>the effect of "LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales" is the same as "dpkg-reconfigure locales", with the exception of: "LANG = "C""
16:29<rjbase89_>dpkg < where do I go to download the necessary kernel for Etch?
16:29<tcsetattr>ugh. you need to unset all of those variables.
16:29<themill>rjbase89_: dpkg is a bot and won't answer your questions...
16:30<tcsetattr>unset LANG ; unset LC_ALL ; unset LC_MESSAGES ; ... then dpkg-reconfigure locales
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16:30<rjbase89_>themill< lol ... really
16:31<rjbase89_>can anyone direct me to the archive for debian Kernels?
16:31<chealer>dpkg: no, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the DFSG. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
16:31<dpkg>chealer: okay
16:31<baskak>-bash: unset: `LC-MESSAGES': not a valid identifier
16:32<baskak>the rest was okay
16:32<tcsetattr>'_' is not '-'
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16:32<baskak>right, please excuse me!
16:33<chealer>rjbase89_: which kernel do you use?
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16:34<max>when I try to access an external HD it tells me this when I try to open the folder "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
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16:34<baskak>now "dpkg-reconfigure locales" gave only the "debconf:" errors as above
16:34<max>why does it say that?
16:34<themill>max: are you in the plugdev group?
16:35<baskak>full message:
16:35<baskak>debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome // debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?) // debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog // /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully instaled
16:35<max>no
16:35<max>I don't know what that is
16:36<baskak>:)
16:36<themill>max: as root run: adduser your_username plugdev
16:36<tcsetattr>disable the stupid gnome frontend
16:36<themill>max: then logout and login again and retry
16:36<n3x>i tried compiling a new kernel and got errors on REBOOT umount: unknown file system devfs not mounted
16:36<n3x>Also modprobe gave a fatal error saying that it could not load some
16:36<n3x>libararies.
16:37<max>ok, thank you
16:37<rjbase89_>chealer < 2.6.18-486
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16:37<chealer>rjbase89_: do you mean 2.6.18-4-486, or what?
16:38<rjbase89_>chealer < actually thats 2.6.18-5-486
16:38<max>it says I am alreadya member of plugdev
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16:38<chealer>rjbase89_: that's Etch's kernel.
16:38<themill>rjbase89_: so what do you actually want? the source for that kernel? the config?
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16:39<rjbase89_>themill < according to dpkg instructions I need to update the kernel
16:39<tcsetattr>wait a minute... baskak, is it possible that you don't have the locales package installed at all?
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16:40<themill>rjbase89_: to install ipw3945? or for something else?
16:41<NeXX>heh i just used aptitude to install ALL the games available :P
16:41<rjbase89_>themill< to install support for ipw3945
16:41<NeXX>this will probably take a minute or two
16:42<max>themill: it says I am already a member of plugdev
16:42<rjbase89_>I need to recompile the kernel to support my sound card anyhow...
16:43<themill>rjbase89_: you don't need to recompile your kernel for ipw3945, just run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d (presuming you've got non-free and contrib in your sources.list)
16:43<chealer>rjbase89_: really? which sound card do you use?
16:43<themill>rjbase89_: are you sure you need to recompile your kernel for your sound card?
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16:44<baskak>how can i check it?
16:44<baskak>all i know is what i mentioned above
16:44<tcsetattr>uhh, dpkg -s locales | grep Status
16:44<rjbase89_>not sure of the sound card at the moment... brand new lap top but a recent install of Etch fail to recognize the sound card
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16:46<jonathansizz>Hi. I'm running testing, and today after the software update (not sure if that's connected with the problem) the scroll wheel on my mouse no longer scrolls - it still works as a button though. Any ideas?
16:46<rjbase89_>last time this happened was when I was using Woody... at the time I recompiled the kernel to provide the necessary support for the sound card
16:46<NeXX>omg with my internet connection maxed its going to take 2 hours to download all those games lol...you linux guys are such geeks
16:47<themill>rjbase89_: a newer kernel might help that or trying to cherry-pick alsa out of sid. But you shouldn't need to recompile the entire thing. 2.6.21 is in backports which brings in a newer version of alsa than is in etch.
16:47<amphi>NeXX: perhaps you should be a little more discriminating...
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16:47<NeXX>amphi: discriminating?
16:47<amphi>yes
16:47[~]NeXX has to look that one up
16:47<themill>!dict discriminating
16:47<dpkg>Dictionary 'discriminating' (2 of 6): Discriminate \Dis*crim"i*nate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Discriminated; p. pr. & vb. n. Discriminating.] To set apart as being different; to mark as different; to separate from another by discerning differences; to distinguish. --Cowper. ;; To discriminate the goats from the sheep. --Barrow..
16:48<rjbase89_>themill < thanks... Ill have to download the new kernel source then...
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16:48<baskak1>i disconnected and reconected, and needed to change nick to do it. the effect is: "Status: deinstall ok config-files"
16:48<themill>rjbase89_: just pull the compiled image of 2.6.21 from backports. It works fine.
16:48[~]NeXX doesn't understand how amphi used the word then
16:49<amphi>NeXX: sorry, is english not your default language?
16:49<themill>NeXX: he means "more careful in choosing the ones you really want"
16:49<rjbase89_>themill< I am not sure of what you are refering to as 'backports'...
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16:49<themill>!tell rjbase89_ about backports
16:49<NeXX>ooohh i see, i thought you were talking about the linux geeks :P
16:49<tcsetattr>all this time you've been trying to dpkg-reconfigure locales, it's not even installed! apt-get install locales
16:50<themill>rjbase89_: add this to your sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free
16:50<themill>rjbase89_: and then aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6.21-2-686
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16:52<baskak1>long message about unmet dependencied, shall i quote it in full? last line: "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
16:52<tcsetattr>the error message on trying to dpkg-reconfigure a package that's not installed is really too vague or we'd have noticed this sooner.
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16:52<tcsetattr>try the apt-get -f install
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16:54<rjbase89_>themilll < thanks...
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16:54<baskak1>summary at the end of long message: "57 upgraded, 59 newly installed, 60 to remove and 570 not upgraded. // 89 not fully installed or removed //"
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16:55<themill>rjbase89_: np... most laptop sound cards are pretty old stuff under the bonnet and should be supported quite well. Come back and ask for more help if you need it ;)
16:55<baskak1>"Need to get 0B/69.1MB of archives. // After unpacking 123MB disk space will be freed. // Do you want to continue [Y/n]?"
16:56<NeXX>dont do it
16:56<NeXX>its a trap
16:56<NeXX>just say NOOO
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16:56<NeXX>:P
16:56<ben_goodger>just say "shut up, nexx"?
16:56<NeXX>hehehe
16:56<tcsetattr>so it wants to remove 60 broken packages. sound good?
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16:57<ben_goodger>baskak1: it may help to pastebin the entire message, that looks a tad odd
16:57<ben_goodger>(though I haven't been paying attention that much)
16:57<baskak1>i'm chatting from another computer
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16:57<ben_goodger>fleh
16:57<baskak1>looks good. i give it a go
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16:59<NeXX>wow i hope i just selected all the games and not EVERY thing
16:59<NeXX>there is all sorts of stuff in here
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16:59<baskak1>there's a prompt screen: "Package configuration // Configuring x11-common .. Cannot remove /usr/X11R6/bin directory //
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17:00<NeXX>why do you want to do that?
17:00<NeXX>and are you su'd in?
17:01<ben_goodger>NeXX: I doubt you could select everything in the archive and not notice. it's quite large
17:01<NeXX>yeah its only anouther hour and a half at 300k/s but i just wounder what all these libs and what not are
17:01<ben_goodger>think of them as DLLs
17:01<baskak1>"This upgrade requires that the /usr/X11R6/bin directory be removed and replaced with a symlink. An attempt was made to do so, but it failed, most likely because the directory is not yet empty."
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17:02<NeXX>i know what libs ARE i just wounder why i need to download so many more....i guess some of these games a complicated?
17:02<baskak1>continued of course, kinda lot of text. i've seen it before during upgrade with synaptic, i think
17:02<tcsetattr>who was it that got the bright idea of murdering /usr/X11, and was it worth the pain it's still causing?
17:03<baskak1>definitely not me
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17:03<ben_goodger>tcsetattr: the majority of people have never in fact heard of X11, so I'd say that xorg is better long-term
17:04<tcsetattr>bah. xorg is the dumbest name ever, and it's _still_ properly called the X Window System, version 11
17:04<ben_goodger>indeed
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17:04<tcsetattr>and that has nothing to do with the decision to increase the bloat in /usr/bin by dumping everything that used to be in /usr/X11/bin into it
17:05<ben_goodger>the entire system is a mess
17:05<ben_goodger>this is not denied...
17:05<ben_goodger>look at the transition from 2.4
17:05<tcsetattr>probably those FHS assheads, I don't know why anybody listens to them
17:05<ben_goodger>FHS?
17:06<NeXX>file hyarchy system or something like that
17:06<NeXX>i dont know how to spell that
17:06<tcsetattr>formerly known as FSSTND (they even change their mind on how to name themselves, but we let them dictate our filesystem layout)
17:06<ben_goodger>hierarchy, I believe.
17:06<ben_goodger>righto
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17:08<ben_goodger>well, we must have a standardised file system otherwise the proprietary devs will get confuzzled
17:08<NeXX>doesn't every distro do their own thing any ways?
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17:09<ben_goodger>NeXX: yes, but only to the extent of packaging an RPM and a .deb and having them work on redhat derivs and debian derivs, usually...
17:10<ben_goodger>if you start messing with the file system, god only knows what happens
17:10<NeXX>yeah i dont know the FHS well enough to know what goes where
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17:10<lupine_85>we could always do the Mac OS thing... :p
17:10<NeXX>so many bin and lib dir's i get confused
17:11[~]ben_goodger whacks lupine_85 with the NIHbat :P
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17:11<lupine_85>hehe
17:11<csibepapa>hy all
17:11[~]ben_goodger waves from corner.
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17:12<ben_goodger>hmm
17:12<lupine_85>FHS is relatively good, as long as people follow it. /opt should get more usage, IMO
17:12<ben_goodger>well, of course the system as it is now evolved from the need for the people who wrote the system in the 60s to save on typing
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17:13<ben_goodger>hence /usr/bin instead of /user/binaries or /Users/Binaries or /Applications
17:13<lupine_85>urgh. Imagine the extra characters required for typing
17:13<tcsetattr>well who in their right mind wants to type "Applications" all the time? do we have more fingers than the people in the 60's?
17:13<ben_goodger>indeed
17:13<lupine_85>App\t is OK
17:13<lupine_85>but... yeah. I always hated "C:\Program Files" - no need to bring it back
17:14<tcsetattr>the capital letter is just gratuitous long-term wrist strain from the shift key
17:14<ben_goodger>indeed
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17:14<ben_goodger>these are all valid reasons which cause the file system of a current UNIX system to look like the org chart of a company owned by acronym fetishists
17:15<ben_goodger>Program\ Files is damned inconvenient to type, but at least you can tell what it means
17:15<dkr>I had a C:\bin back in my win3.1 days. :)
17:16<ben_goodger>I never had any win3.1 days
17:16<ben_goodger>I started with windows 4
17:16<ben_goodger>and it got worse from then on...
17:16<dkr>with files like rm.bat and mv.bat so I could use unix commands. that was before I discovered linux. :)
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17:16<ben_goodger>painful.
17:16<ben_goodger>gotta love thingybob, er, cygwin though
17:17<dkr>I used djgpp, the dos potr of gcc back then, too
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17:17<tcsetattr>we lost the guy who had the upgrade problem
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17:17<tcsetattr>I wonder if he's cleaned out that /usr/X11*/bin
17:17<baskak1>no, i'm here, waiting patiently
17:18<tcsetattr>probably not, he seems to accomplish very little without being spoon-fed
17:18<tcsetattr>have you *looked* in /usr/X11*/bin to see what's in there?
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17:19<tcsetattr>waiting to be spoon-fed instead of looking in the directory that apt was complaining about
17:19<baskak1>i think the question is if i should go on with these upgrades, while already it was said here that the upgrade is doubtful
17:20<tcsetattr>that's probably why it removed a bunch of packages, they are conflicting with the brave new (/usr/X11/bin-less) world. and it missed one. or two or three.
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17:20<lupine_85>apt-file ftw
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17:20<tcsetattr>the question is why you don't have any ability to read the error messages and act on them
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17:21<family>hey guys quick question this line of code will not work any ideas debootstrap woody source/[kmo]07/ ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian
17:21<haleu>hellp everybody in here ... I woundering if i can get my KDE faster on my sun ultra 10 ? is lag
17:22<haleu>hello*
17:22<lupine_85>woody? oO
17:22<haleu>etch
17:23<family>oh i guess this isnt good
17:23<family>yes woody
17:23<baskak>ben_goodger: i slowly get accustomed to tcsetattr attitude. :>
17:23<family>did debian do away with woody?
17:23<baskak>he is helpful, too.
17:23<tcsetattr>seriously. it said "I WANT THIS DIRECTORY TO BE EMPTY". and did you go look in that directory?
17:24<lupine_85>I don't know. Is potato still around too?
17:24<family>i went to the ftp site posted above and i dont see a woody file
17:24<family>oh crap did woody get renamed to etch
17:25[~]lupine_85 digs a hole and hieds in it
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17:25<tcsetattr>woody is debian 3.0, it is not supported anymore. etch is debian 4.0
17:25<haleu>what kind of resources can slow my computer down?
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17:26<tcsetattr>you can probably find woody and the other old releases if you look hard enough
17:26<ben_goodger>who's running woody?
17:26<ben_goodger>eheh
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17:26<baskak>it contains: aticonfig fgl_glxgears fglrx_xgamma fglrxinfo fireglcontrolpanel
17:26<haleu>ftp.sunet.se
17:26<klys_>haleu: processes that use a lot of memory running at normal priority levels
17:26<lupine_85>probably ripe for the haxxx0ring?
17:26<family>haleu did woody get renamed to etch and will etch run on a 2.4.25_i386 kernel
17:26<tcsetattr>baskak, now it looks like you should remove the fglrx-related packages
17:27<haleu>i use 2.6 kernel
17:27<lupine_85>eh, wasn't sarge 3.x? so woody would be .x and potato 1.x
17:27<tcsetattr>potato=2.2 woody=3.0 sarge=3.1 etch=4.0
17:27<ben_goodger>lenny=somethingorother
17:27<lupine_85>ah... fair enough
17:27<tcsetattr>lenny=nothingyet
17:27<ben_goodger>indeed.
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17:29<family>haleu i need a small kernel so everything is processed fast. pluse the files on top of it are really lite fvwm mc dillo etc
17:29<simonrvn>uh
17:29[~]ben_goodger waves to abrotman
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17:29<abrotman>hi
17:29<family>haleu what is this site woody?ftp://ftp.sunet.se/
17:31<baskak1>i assume they are related to the ati driver i did install some time ago. can i just move the files?
17:31<haleu>you can find debian woody there
17:31<abrotman>ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/Debian/debian/dists
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17:31<abrotman>!adn
17:31<dpkg>well, adn is AcidoDexosirriboNucleico
17:31<abrotman>bah
17:31<abrotman>!archive
17:31<dpkg>it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net
17:31<abrotman>haleu: where do you see woody ?
17:32<tcsetattr>why is someone trying to debootstrap woody?
17:32<family>i dont
17:32<family>woody is off the market so i need something close to it
17:32<family>someone said etch
17:32<ben_goodger>you could try red hat 5.0....
17:32<simonrvn>O_O
17:32<tcsetattr>woody is not nearly as old as redhat 5
17:32<lupine_85>was it better than RH6? :p
17:32<ben_goodger>or you could use etch, which is neither close nor outdated
17:32<family>im making a striped system
17:32<abrotman>family: archive.debian.org
17:33<family>aww looks good
17:33<lupine_85>stripped = uclibc
17:33<haleu>http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/
17:33<simonrvn>stripped doesn't mean ancient and buggy and full of r00t holes...
17:33<abrotman>haleu: there's no wody there
17:33<abrotman>woody
17:33<family>lupine here is what i am doing http://euronode.org/docs/make_woody.epl?lang=en
17:34<simonrvn>...
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17:34<ben_goodger>ok....
17:34<abrotman>use the woody boot floppies at archive.debian.org
17:34<haleu>http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-non-US/dists/
17:34<ben_goodger>did you not notice the glaring "2004" on the page?
17:34<abrotman>haleu: that's not woody
17:34<family>but this line isnt found debootstrap woody source/EURONODE/ ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian
17:34<lupine_85>probably better to find a MORE RECENT piece of documentation to work from
17:35<haleu>on this link you will find woody
17:35<family>ben yes its outdated lol
17:35<family>k
17:35<ben_goodger>you cannot seriously expect to get a decent distro, stripped or not, out of woody
17:35<abrotman>haleu: it is NOT woody
17:35<abrotman>haleu: that's the non-us that contains barely anything and is now unneeded
17:35<simonrvn>*%&*^#^$^#^@%^&%##^@$$*%
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17:35<family>ben then maybe i should get the debootstrap sid
17:36<ben_goodger>||
17:36<simonrvn>family: uh, no
17:36<lupine_85>yeah, go for it....
17:36<ben_goodger>heheheh
17:36<family>but i am unsure it will run on 2.4 kernel
17:36<ben_goodger>do tell us about it
17:36<craigevil>better than trying to install woody or even sarge
17:36<family>lol
17:36<abrotman>craigevil: not really
17:36<simonrvn>...
17:36<ben_goodger>ooh, 2.4 in sid. that'll be lovely
17:36<lupine_85>if you /need/ a 2.4 kernel, then sarge or etch with your own built kernel ftw
17:36<family>ben rofl
17:36<lupine_85>but you don't need a 2.4 kernel
17:36<family>ftw
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17:37<simonrvn>stfw better
17:37<family>lol
17:37<tcsetattr>ftw (3) - file tree walk
17:37[~]ben_goodger retrieves bucket of caesium marked "acronyms"
17:37<lupine_85>tcsetattr: !wtf is ftw!
17:37<family>f the world
17:37<family>what the f
17:37<abrotman>ben_goodger: IIRC .. it wouldn't work
17:37<tcsetattr>ed, man! !man ed
17:38<ben_goodger>abrotman: I decided not to include the attached bucket of H2SO4 for chemists'-in-joke reasons
17:38<simonrvn>ed man! !man de
17:38<lupine_85>just watch out for the DHMO ;)
17:39<ben_goodger>D isn't an element. tool.
17:39<ben_goodger>:P
17:39<lupine_85>it's short for "dihydrogen monoxide"
17:39<ben_goodger>at least I don't remember one..
17:39<family>okay heres the thing i was messing with damn small linux its faster then crap just not my style so i was trying to go with a more broadened out view of dsl with more apt-get support.
17:39<lupine_85>most dangerous substance on the planet
17:39<ben_goodger>lupine_85: that's notated H2O
17:39<lupine_85>yes... yes it is :D
17:39[~]ben_goodger blinks
17:39<lupine_85>but you'd be surprised how many people don't know that
17:40<lupine_85>http://www.dhmo.org/
17:40<family>lol
17:40<ben_goodger>"the base of many dangerous acids and a powerful solvent to which billions are addicted".... yes, I saw it in year 9
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17:40<family>holly crap woody
17:41<simonrvn>it's really dangerous in large quantities
17:41<lupine_85>family: I hope that was unintentionall ;)
17:41<ben_goodger>family is obviously a native english speaker. foreigners don't misspell "than"
17:41<family>yes dash the halls with folly holly wally lally la la lally la la
17:42<ben_goodger>dear lord, we've turned into #ubuntu...
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17:42<ben_goodger>everyone get their pills.
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17:42<simonrvn>oh this is what #ubuntu's like? eek. get me out of here
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17:42<lupine_85>let's repair the damage with an in-depth discussion of ifconfig vs. ip
17:42<NeXX>im gonna take vitamine e :P
17:43<ben_goodger>it's actually much worse due to the screaming hordes of idiotic new users for whom a CLI means both "DOS" and "old"
17:43<NeXX>oh oh, i learned this one today, if means interface and ip means internet protocol
17:43<ben_goodger>vitamin e? that won't help much
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17:43<ben_goodger>lithium carbonate, perhaps
17:43<ben_goodger>but not vitamin e
17:43<amphi>NeXX: it's 'ipconfig' on plan 9 ;)
17:44<family>okay seriously if i do this will it work out for me debootstrap woody source/[kmo07] http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-non-US/dists/
17:44<lupine_85>family: no
17:44<simonrvn>ok seriously use another document
17:44<abrotman>family: THAT IS NOT WOODY
17:44<NeXX>when i said vitamine e i was refering to "e" as in ex.....
17:44<lupine_85>like the Debian installation manual, f'rinstance
17:44<family>crap
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17:44<simonrvn>ONE THAT HAS AN EFFING CLUE
17:44<abrotman>archive.debian.org .. like i said three times
17:45<abrotman>http://archive.debian.org/dists/
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17:45<tcsetattr>you could at least try the current version of debian before assuming that it's too big for your hardware
17:45<abrotman>family: what is the hardware that you have ?
17:45<family>brb
17:45<lupine_85>debian runs on anything. including a good old 486-SX
17:45<NeXX>my hardware is about 14 inches
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17:45<simonrvn>tiny
17:45<lupine_85>/facepalm
17:46<abrotman>lupine_85: you mean dx ?
17:46<lupine_85>nah, I bet it'd run on an SX too
17:46<ben_goodger>it theoretically runs on any i386 machine
17:46<simonrvn>s,i386,,
17:46<ben_goodger>whether it runs well is largely a matter of RAM in my experience
17:46<abrotman>!elks
17:46<dpkg>elks is, like, http://elks.sf.net/ and is the Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset, a project to build a small kernel subset of Linux (which will provide more or less UNIX V7 functionality within the kernel) that can run on machines with limited processor and memory resources. The initial proposed targets are the Intel 8086 and eventually the 286's 16-bit protected mode.
17:47<lupine_85>woah
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17:47<family>k its a 1.2 ghz comp with nvidia geforce 440 and 500 something ddr
17:47<lupine_85>8086 linux ftwtf
17:47<tcsetattr>elks is still around?
17:47<abrotman>family: just run etch .. it'll be fine
17:47<lupine_85>family: so just dump etch on it
17:47<abrotman>tcsetattr: mostly dead IIRC
17:47<simonrvn>family: you're fucking kidding right?
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17:47<abrotman>tcsetattr: but you can still get it i htink
17:47<family>nope
17:47<abrotman>family: a measly 512MB of RAM eh ?
17:47<lupine_85>omgrofl this isn't vista
17:47<ben_goodger>family: why on earth would you want to scale back etch to run on that? it's not sodding vista, you know
17:47<family>simon i also have a 2.5 ghz comp with 1 gig ddr
17:48<abrotman>tcsetattr: ew .. new release :)
17:48<abrotman>or new commit anyways
17:48<simonrvn>oh it's so small, it's just a 1.2 GHz box with 512 MB RAM... FFS, really
17:48<ben_goodger>I'm running etch atm on a sempron 2200, and it's fine
17:48<family>ben i want it to run really fast
17:48<simonrvn>!lart family
17:48[~]dpkg decapitates family conan the destroyer style
17:48<lupine_85>It. Will.
17:48<family>have you ever messed with damn small linux
17:48<NeXX>512mb used to be alot
17:48<ben_goodger>then get gentoo, and leave us the hell alone
17:48<abrotman>it still is for linux
17:48<lupine_85>It runs blindingly fast on a Duron 700/64MB RAM
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17:48<ben_goodger>lupine_85: depends on the desktop..
17:49<family>ben for get genbooboo
17:49<lupine_85>eh? desktop?
17:49<lupine_85>:D
17:49<family>im going to run fvwm for the desktop
17:49<lupine_85>ok, 256MB + gnome or KDE and it still runs blindlingly fast
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17:49<ben_goodger>gnome will run like reduced toffee on 64MiB
17:49<family>or fluxbox
17:49<abrotman>family: install etch .. do not use anything older
17:49<family>abrotman thank you
17:49<abrotman>for starters .. it's likely to not even work on the machine because of the newer hardware
17:49<abrotman>erm .. woody isn't likely
17:50<simonrvn>woody would support that thing
17:50<simonrvn>wouldn't*
17:50<family>k
17:50<family>so etch
17:50<abrotman>i seriously doubt the nv driver from X 4.1(?) would work with that video card
17:50<simonrvn>4.1? oh yes, sarge had 4.3
17:50<simonrvn>IIRC
17:50<dli>abrotman, or 1.4 ?
17:50<Babarbapapa>hi there should ntfs-3g appeared in etch packages? (yeah, sorry, yet another former windows user)
17:50<family>so it will
17:50<abrotman>dli: that will
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17:51<family>k sounds good etch is it
17:51<simonrvn>family: vista != linux-based OS
17:51[~]abrotman has f'in servers slower than that box
17:51<ben_goodger>Babarbapapa: if memory serves, nope. sorry...
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17:52<simonrvn>!kill bill gates and microsoft for giving bad ideas on what h/w is really capable of
17:52[~]dpkg rips off bill gates and microsoft for giving bad ideas on what h/w is really capable of's balls with a rusty dagger
17:52<Babarbapapa>thanks for the answer anyway
17:52<simonrvn>abrotman: so do i
17:52<lupine_85>ouch
17:52<ben_goodger>me too.
17:52<family>simon vista = crap and crap doesnt even compair to linux :)
17:52<ben_goodger>does !kill work on females?
17:52<NeXX>!kill females
17:52[~]dpkg subjects females to excruciating pain with his teeth
17:52<NeXX>guess so
17:52<lupine_85>harsh
17:52<ben_goodger>hmm
17:52<simonrvn>...
17:53<ben_goodger>I expect it will eventually make references to cutting females' testicles off though
17:53<Babarbapapa>so, know i know why debian is so cool :p
17:53<NeXX>lol nice
17:53<ben_goodger>to the lab!!
17:53<NeXX>damn those tranys
17:53<ben_goodger>..why?
17:53<ben_goodger>Babarbapapa: ntfs3g is in lenny, afaik.
17:53<Babarbapapa>because of fabulous irc bot ^^
17:53<NeXX>its to confusing....i hate finding a pair on a hotty
17:54<ben_goodger>ah.
17:54<lupine_85>trap = win
17:54<ben_goodger>there are probably situations where someone might never notice
17:54[~]NeXX wonders if ben_goodger is a trany
17:55<ben_goodger>nope.
17:55[~]lupine_85 wonders if NeXX has any transsexual friends
17:55<lupine_85>I'm guessing not
17:55<NeXX>nope
17:55<lupine_85>you should go get some
17:55<ben_goodger>it's spelt "transvestite", incidentally
17:55<NeXX>at least i hope not
17:55<simonrvn>NeXX: your definition of 'hotty' is rather odd to me
17:55<ben_goodger>heh
17:55<NeXX>really?
17:55<Babarbapapa>bye the way, do you know how to make these korean smiley without biping around?
17:56<Babarbapapa>^
17:56<lupine_85>ben_goodger: depends...
17:56<ben_goodger>biping?
17:56<Babarbapapa>^^
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17:56<ben_goodger>erm
17:56<NeXX>did i define hotty?
17:56<family>problems /usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 258: cd: source: No such file or directory
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17:56<ben_goodger>^_^ is the typical one, I believe
17:56<lupine_85>family: just "debootstrap etch /path/to/place/to/put/it <url>" IIRC
17:57<simonrvn>NeXX> its to confusing....i hate finding a pair on a hotty
17:57<NeXX>where is the definition?
17:57<Babarbapapa>hum, my franch keymap should probably make this problem particular
17:57<Babarbapapa>nevermind
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17:58<tcsetattr>I'm confused.
17:58<tcsetattr>oh good, baskak returns. progress?
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17:59<family> debootstrap etch source/EURONODE/ ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian
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17:59<family>doesnt work still
17:59<family>i am in sidux
17:59<baskak>:D well
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18:00<family>cdebootstrap is the orgional one should i use that
18:00<ben_goodger>ooh, AMD quad-cores.
18:00<lupine_85>debootstrap works fine here
18:00<family>i apt-get the debootstrap
18:00<NeXX>quad-cores hehe
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18:01<NeXX>i wonder, does each core run at full speed?
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18:01<lupine_85>family: do you have /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch ?
18:01<fenix>yes
18:01<NeXX>like if you benchmarked a single core processor vs just one core on a quad core would they be the same?
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18:01<lupine_85>family: you need to mkdir -p source/EURONODE ....
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18:02<family>hmm
18:02<baskak>i moved the files, started "apt-get -f install", which made some updates and stuck on "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
18:03<family>its already made
18:03<family>oh i have to be in the directory
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18:03<baskak>although it gives now the info: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" as well
18:03<lupine_85>/facepalm
18:03<baskak>the x-windows doesn't start as before
18:04<family>bingo thanks
18:04<tcsetattr> that's just a sign you need to apt-get update
18:04<family>lol
18:04<family>sorry over my head
18:04<family>lupine gimme a face palm
18:05<lupine_85>protip: relative paths are, erm, relative to the current path
18:05<tcsetattr>where's protip?
18:05<simonrvn>!say /me smacks family
18:05<dpkg>/me smacks family
18:05[~]NeXX writes that one down
18:05<NeXX>wait im confused, relative paths are relative to what again?
18:05<lupine_85>the current path
18:06<NeXX>oooohhh right
18:06<lupine_85>it's hard to grasp, I know
18:06<baskak>i did this already. but i have no net connection in this state and the error message starts with "Err http://ftp.debian.org testing Release.gpg"
18:06<baskak>all message needed?
18:06<tcsetattr>you have to fix that then.
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18:07<lupine_85>...a lack of internet would explain an inability to connect to a website...
18:08<family>rofl nice
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18:08[~]lupine_85 appears to have his sarcasm meter up to 11 tonight
18:08<NeXX>a lack of power would indicate a lack of lights
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18:08<NeXX>heh i took a job as tech support for HP once
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18:09<NeXX>that was one of the demo conversations they had, some layde didn't have power and wondered why her computer wouldn't turn on
18:09<NeXX>spent like an hour on the phone and the techy couldn't figure it out
18:11<ben_goodger>the worst ones are the ones who demand that you dumb down to them, and then accuse you of patronisation
18:12<tcsetattr>what happened to those chickman mp3s...
18:13<NeXX>patronisation....nice.....yeah iono, they all kinda pissed me off....of course you would get that odd one from a super geek who already knew what the problem was, like hardware failure and he just wanted his warrenty clamed. those were nice
18:13<ranix>when you are talking about how retarded your tech support job is, that is a sign that you need to get the fuck out of IT
18:13<ranix>because you are probably part of the problem, not the solution
18:14<NeXX>the problem is IT sux to begin with
18:14<NeXX>i cant stand talking to customers, it always ruins my day
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18:14<ranix>it's a necessary job for people who should be helpful to new users and not people who snicker about how stupid their customers are behind their backs
18:15<ranix>IMO
18:15<NeXX>oh you are probably right, but in my experience no IT possition ever paid enough for it to be worth it
18:15<NeXX>and then you get the added stress of having angry stupid customers yelling at you all day
18:15<ranix>because there are too many CS dropout losers in IT who think it's fun to hrr hrr hrr about the customer who touched the screen with her mouse
18:16<family>yea damn it now i am mad they ripped my grandfather off told him his mother board was f offed and then i took it out place it on some card board and sure dittly dumb the f ing thing worked i hate people who dont run an honest business. Damn liers cheaters and theives all to their little self rightous tomb stones and may they flip over in hell like a pig on a stick.
18:16<family>aww i feel better
18:16<simonrvn>stupid != ignorance
18:16<NeXX>you can tell the difference between the two however
18:16<NeXX>and usually its stupidity
18:17<NeXX>sometimes you get the guy who wants to know whats wrong with his computer, but most of them just want to bitch
18:17<amphi>family: ;)
18:17<tcsetattr>that goes both ways. there are too many morons who can't answer an intelligent question because they never heard one before, but you have to talk to them because they're the ones who are "good" with customers.
18:17<family>:)
18:18<NeXX>tcsetattr true dat...the best IT guys i've worked with were the ones that knew nothing about computers lol
18:18<ben_goodger>I personally hate most of my clients
18:18<ben_goodger>they don't supply information I obviously need
18:18<ben_goodger>and they give instructions on things I know better how to do for myself
18:19<NeXX>17min and all the games in the universe will be mine MUAHAHAHA
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18:19<simonrvn>o_O
18:19<NeXX>universe of course == list of games on aptitude
18:19<craigevil>NeXX: you must have a huge HD
18:19<ben_goodger>for instance, they will insist that the text on a site with a deep red background will be black, and then supply the content as a brochure sans hyperlinks/nav structure...
18:20<NeXX>i have many HDD's
18:20<NeXX>totaling 1.5TB
18:20<NeXX>but i didn't mean that litteraly
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18:21<family>i have 1 tb hard drive on my xbox woot
18:21<NeXX>a single 1TB hdd??
18:21<NeXX>when did those come out?
18:21<family>ultimate media center
18:21<ben_goodger>a while ago..
18:21<ben_goodger>they're still bloody expensive though
18:21<NeXX>are they still expencive?
18:21<NeXX>..
18:21<ben_goodger>heh
18:21<NeXX>figures
18:21<family>yes well hit frys.com
18:21<family>pick one up for about 250
18:21<family>usd
18:22<ben_goodger>translated as "bloody expensive"
18:22<NeXX>yeah and in 6 months they will be 150
18:22<family>:)
18:22<ranix>well I have a 400gb raid array in this computer that was free
18:22<ranix>so nyah
18:22<ben_goodger>I just bought a 500GB disk for £65
18:22<craigevil>500Gb is only around $75 at best buy , can probably get for much cheaper online
18:22<family>ranix its pretty impressive to see a tera byte on a xbox so thats why i got it just to see if i could put it on there
18:23<ben_goodger>indeed
18:23<ben_goodger>great britain is known as the "tech suckers" capital of the world...
18:23<NeXX>just mod it and network it to your main computer
18:23<ranix>xbox or 360
18:23<family>xbox
18:23<ben_goodger>everything costs the same thing in sterling as it does in dollars
18:23<ranix>ok, that is cool
18:23<family>i dont need the 360
18:23<family>over rated
18:23<NeXX>agreed
18:24<ranix>meh, I'd take one for free
18:24<ranix>and enjoy it
18:24<NeXX>and besides the xbox has more then enough power to play startrek episodes :P
18:24<ben_goodger>I'd take it for free and sell it for a metric crapload on ebay.
18:25<NeXX>lol
18:25<simonrvn>ben_goodger: um, wouldn't the stuff be less in pounds than usd? isn't it like 1 usd = 1.5 pound or such?
18:25<ranix>the pound is almost 1.75 now
18:25<NeXX>1 pound == like 2 USD's now i think
18:25<ben_goodger>no, the pound is over $2
18:25<ben_goodger>$100 = £50.
18:26<ranix>wow it really is $2
18:26<simonrvn>so people are willingly shooting themselves in the foot...
18:26<ben_goodger>mmm
18:26<NeXX>??
18:26<ranix>1 dollar = 0.49446 pounds
18:26<ben_goodger>it works on cars too
18:26<ben_goodger>and other stuff.
18:26[~]simonrvn sighs
18:26<ben_goodger>for instance, the lexus ls costs $104k and £89k
18:26<ranix>I should have made an overseas account when bush got elected
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18:27<NeXX>no you should have just invested in ANY thing when bush got elected....the dollar is down but every thing else is up
18:27<ben_goodger>they have excuses like import tax and the necessity of fitting a right-hand drive dashboard, which is just bollocks
18:27<NeXX>in 2003 it was hard not to make money
18:28<ben_goodger>yes.
18:28<ben_goodger>british people are making a lot of money from the dollar's continual decline, as follows:
18:28<n3x>how do i enable LVM for when i rebuild the kernel
18:28<ben_goodger>1. buy dollars; 2. wait a while for the dollar to decline; 3. sell dollars.
18:29<NeXX>i got a %60 return on one of my mutual funds in 2004 it was rediculous
18:29<ben_goodger>I'm not old enough to invest, but I would if I were.
18:29<NeXX>buying and selling money is dumb, your profit will barley cover inflation
18:29<ben_goodger>that's a load of rubbish
18:30<NeXX>no its not
18:30<NeXX>there is an entire market made up of people just buying and selling money, its called the money market, and it makes about 3% a year
18:30<ben_goodger>if I invest 25 million pounds in the dollar and sell it back 24 hours later, making a profit of £1m, then inflation has not devalued it by 4% in a single day
18:30<NeXX>most mutual funds to at least 8%
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18:31<ben_goodger>it's a useless way to make money, but it's fairly reliable until november 2008
18:31<family>ben i have a question how much do welders make out there?
18:31<ben_goodger>depends on how skilled they are
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18:31<ben_goodger>if they're doing the same job as one of those yellow robots, about £10-15k
18:32<family>im a 6 g welder out of placement pipe highest skilled
18:32<NeXX>no money changes more than 4% in a single day
18:32<ben_goodger>up to £25k, I suppose, if they are welding repairs to cars or something
18:32<NeXX>you are talking fractions of a dollar and they go up and down, over a year its not very much
18:33<ben_goodger>family: ...yes?
18:33<ben_goodger>you'd probably be treated like crap over here
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18:33<family>aww so if i worked there for a year then came back it wouldnt really be worth it here i make about 70$ hr out on oil rigs out for about 3 weeks 18hrs a day and back home for a month doing nothing :)
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18:34<ben_goodger>well, that's not the same
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18:34<NeXX>family are you in alberta?
18:34<ben_goodger>I'm not aware of the going rate for north sea oil rig welding
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18:34<family>nope texas visiting family now
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18:35<ben_goodger>urgh
18:35<family>:)
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18:35<family>whats that for ben? urgh
18:36<family>ben ill have to check that out us is going to crap really fast
18:37<ben_goodger>well, I more or less consider anywhere in the US apart from new england to be a fascist hell-hole, so you'll have to excuse me
18:37<NeXX>lol
18:37<family>lol
18:37<NeXX>i love the americans....what would we do without them?
18:37<ben_goodger>hmm
18:37<family>everything
18:37<ben_goodger>progress as a society?
18:37<family>:)
18:37<NeXX>we would be so bored
18:38<ben_goodger>indeed
18:38<family>ben and nexx america really is going into the crapper
18:38<NeXX>no goofy shots of bush making an ass of himself, no really good porn to look forward too
18:38<ben_goodger>family: I know...
18:38<NeXX>naaa the us is in good shape
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18:38<ben_goodger>I have followed the US with considerable interest since I became aware of politics about 7 years ago
18:38<family>lol nex good porn
18:39<n3x>thanks
18:39<NeXX>oh yeah dude, those calafornian blonds...yum
18:39<family>well keep watching the population rate go up and our money goto taxes and paying for people to sit on their ass all day
18:39<NeXX>and collage chicks gone wild
18:39<lupine_85>good porn does exist. But it's not made in the USA
18:39<n3x>NeXX: there called sluts
18:39<ben_goodger>lovelyt
18:39[~]NeXX loves sluts
18:39<family>the tax pays for welfare
18:39<NeXX>thus
18:39<ben_goodger>moving on to more useful matters..
18:39[~]NeXX loves america
18:39<family>nexx lol
18:40<family>their all money grubbers becareful when you get here lol
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18:40<ben_goodger>family: your welfare state is much diminished compared to our huge, overbloated, privately run National Health Service
18:40<NeXX>thats ok, i dont have any money any ways, but i'll still get in there
18:40[~]lupine_85 sharpens his teeth
18:40<family>wow a national health service?
18:40<ben_goodger>yes.
18:40<NeXX>thats crazzy talk
18:41<lupine_85>NHS = win
18:41<NeXX>let the sick die thats what i say
18:41<NeXX>who need health care any ways
18:41<family>lol
18:41<ben_goodger>everyone pays national insurance, and in return we all get free healthcare as required.
18:41<lupine_85>everyone who can afford to pay, does
18:41<family>you will if that service wasnt there you would probably have leprecy
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18:41<lupine_85>peopel who can't afford to pay, don't
18:41<ben_goodger>the US healthcare system fills me with disgust
18:41<lupine_85>but still get free healthcare
18:42<family>lol
18:42<family>ben yes the health care hear sucks if you dont have money you get treated like crap
18:42<NeXX>naa the us health service just makes money off of it, its really brilliant...think about it, every one gets sick right, now think about how much money you could make if you raped every one who got sick
18:42<lupine_85>NHS has saeved me on more than one occasion
18:42<lupine_85>NeXX: most civilised countries have made raep illegal
18:43<ben_goodger>family, NeXX: that's the largest problem with the NHS, it's run largely by private corporations
18:43<NeXX>someone comes in with like iono flesh eating bacteria right, and you say ok one million dollars and we will cure you, how much you wanna bet that person comes up with the one million?
18:43<family>omg
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18:43<NeXX>and if they dont then they die....meh next!
18:43<family>someones making money that sounds like the hospital near here
18:43<ben_goodger>mmm
18:44[~]NeXX loves to be an ass
18:44<ben_goodger>the hospital receives government funding, and the corporation running it gets to keep any leftovers
18:44<family>a commity runs it about 20 people and they pay their employees so where does it all go
18:44<family>strieght to the bank
18:44<ben_goodger>that's how a PLC works, it's called capitalism
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18:45<NeXX>i think what i should do is come up with a virus and a cure and give every one the virus and then charge $100 per person to cure them, that would make me uber rich
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18:45<family>yes well capitalism can kiss my republican arse
18:45<family>rofl damn nexx
18:45<NeXX>probably richer than bill gates
18:45<lupine_85>NeXX: I doubt you have the biological expertise
18:45<lupine_85>I, on the other hand, sdo
18:45<ben_goodger>NeXX: that would get you imprisoned for the rest of your life in the EU.
18:45<lupine_85>s/sdo/do/
18:46<family>actually i dont even like being a republican because if i had it my way everyone would be even
18:46<NeXX>not if i dont give the government the cure
18:46<NeXX>who is going to arrest me if every one is sick?
18:46<NeXX>and besides i could just buy my way out of it
18:46<family>nexx i will
18:46<NeXX>pft silly
18:46<lupine_85>NeXX: it wouldn't matter. Your cure would become ineffective after a week or two
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18:46<ben_goodger>yay for evolution!
18:46<ben_goodger>ooh, that's the worst thing about america
18:46<lupine_85>incidentally, you'd fall foul of the Patriot Act, and so probably get killed by the US government
18:46<ben_goodger>the religious nutjobs
18:47<NeXX>naa my virus would be uber sweet, i would have like a word i would say and you would fall to the floor, you wouldn't even know what hit you
18:47<family>lupine speaking chemistry making some kind of bio warefare chemical
18:47<lupine_85>...that's not lupus....
18:47[~]themill searches for a debian-related question.... anywhere...
18:47<lupine_85>good luck :./
18:47<lupine_85>this really is like #ubuntu
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18:47<family>nexx crazy arse
18:47<amphi>wtf is happening? it's not sunday anywhere still, is it?
18:48<ben_goodger>not quite
18:48[~]NeXX searches for audio inducing blackoutness virus code on google
18:48<lupine_85>extreme western america?
18:48<NeXX>...and stuff
18:48<lupine_85>NeXX: you want to do a BLAST search
18:48<lupine_85>Google doesn't do them
18:48<NeXX>??
18:49<NeXX>BLAST?
18:49<ben_goodger>I'm going to bed, it's a quarter to one AM
18:49<ben_goodger>night, varying maniacs
18:49<family>need to figure out do i need to add xorg to etch?
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18:49<lupine_85>"Basic Local Alignment Search Tool"
18:49<lupine_85>family: if you want to run graphically apps, then yes
18:49<lupine_85>you know, like xfce
18:49<family>yes fvwm
18:49<family>lighter then xfce
18:49<lupine_85>just apt-get install xorg and you're away
18:50<family>yep
18:50<family>:)
18:50[~]NeXX wonders what kind of a geek lupine_85 is
18:50<family>really neat one
18:50<lupine_85>I'm a biologist
18:50<family>here take this stick and poke him see what happens
18:50<lupine_85>don't know about 'geek'
18:50<NeXX>lupine_85 want to make a business arangment??
18:50<family>omg
18:50<lupine_85>No, I have an ethical code preventing me
18:51<NeXX>you make a "product" and i'll make the money?? :P
18:51<family>rofl
18:51<family>sounds like capitalism from 2 miles away
18:51<lupine_85>Besides, I make a point of not working with idiots
18:51<NeXX>now now, this is all in good fun
18:51<NeXX>no need for the sass
18:52<lupine_85>I am made of solid gold sass. This is well-known
18:52<lupine_85>so should we get back on-topic?
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18:52<family>just stay away from me with your ideas, probably make me goto sleep and ask for a million dollars to make me better
18:52<family>lupine yes
18:52<NeXX>:P
18:53<family>k topic is debian umm im still waiting for debootstrap to get done
18:53<lupine_85>it can take a while
18:53<family>its configuring everything now
18:53<NeXX>nice all the games are now installed
18:53<family>oh crap
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18:53<NeXX>i can now waste time more efficiently
18:53<family>faild while configuring base packages.. 4x
18:54<family>failed
18:54<family>aww its okay
18:54<family>rofl most likely not
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18:54<family>i will proceed anyway like a dumb american
18:54<lupine_85>sometimes I think debian should learn from gentoo's stage 3 tarballs
18:55<amphi>learn what?
18:55<lupine_85>about the wonders of prepackaging :)
18:55<NeXX>damn this four in a row, computer kicked my ass....NEXT!!
18:55<lupine_85>the tiem savings aren't as great as in gentoo, but still significant I'll bet
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18:57<family>k is this still working?
18:57<amphi>lupine_85: prepackaging?
18:57<family>darn it brb
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18:58<lupine_85>currently debootstrap downloads x packages and individually unpacks and configures each one.
18:59<lupine_85>it's simpler at the server end, and on balance probably saves "some" bandwidth, but makes getting a base chroot fairly tiem-consuming
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19:02<family>lol computer froze up lol
19:02<family>anyone in here using sidux?
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19:03<family>be back later
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19:06<lupine_85>sidux is a paradox
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19:09<xayon>Hi there. How can I make a debian package able to create users?
19:10<baskak1>goodnight everybody. thanks for the effort.
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19:12<family>just out of curiousity how fast do you think this system will be. 2.4 kernel etch with xorg + fvwm on a 1.2 ghz comp
19:12<NeXX>super fast probably, but why are you using the 2.4 kernel?
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19:13<family>because i can :P
19:13<xayon>I stopped using 2.4 because it seemed to work very slower than 2.6
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19:13<family>i dont know i like the kernel
19:13<NeXX>isn't 2.4 full of security holes?
19:13<family>probably but im a sucker
19:13<family>:P
19:14<xayon>family, I'm using a 2.6 testing with xorg + fluxbox and it work REALLY fast.
19:14<lupine_85>2.4 means no udev, which could cause all sorts of interesting incompatibilities
19:15<rawcrack>my 2.6 with xorg n' enlightenment runs really fast too
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19:15<lupine_85>xayon: the preinst and postinst scripts asre what you want
19:15<family>no udev? hmm udev whats that for again
19:15<lupine_85>mounting devices
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19:15<xayon>lupine_85, I was just thinking on them :-) they're normal shell scripts or have i got to read something ;)
19:16<lupine_85>standard shell scripts, run with root permissions
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19:16<family>udev mounts
19:16<family>so if i want my usb to mount i screwed
19:16<xayon>Ok. So adduser is my friend... Ok.
19:17<lupine_85>mont mounts. udev creates device nodes on the fly, that sort of thing
19:17<xayon>Going away, 4 packages to build :^D
19:17<lupine_85>and I really don't know what'll end up happing
19:17<lupine_85>happening*
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19:17<NeXX>i think im gonna go shower now
19:17<NeXX>i've been sitting here all day
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19:17<family>lol
19:17<family>creating a bio weapon
19:18<xayon>NeXX, two weeks for me :-D
19:18<family>ass sweat and soggy waffles
19:18<family>:P
19:18<NeXX>naa i've got the flue, so i dont feel like doing any thing, but im starting to feel a little bit better now, but now i feel dirty lol
19:18<lupine_85>being in a flue, it's hardly surprising that you feel dirty
19:18<family>lupine couldnt i apt-get install udev
19:18<lupine_85>those things are filthy
19:19<NeXX>being in a flue?
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19:19<lupine_85>family: it needs kernel support
19:19<xayon>family, you've got to upgrade your kernel, have you got any problem in that?
19:19<family>yep
19:19<NeXX>isn't the flue in me? not visa versa?
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19:19<family>i already compiled most of the stuff to run on 2.4
19:19<lupine_85>flue, n : A pipe used to exhaust smoke, gas or air.
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19:19<family>aww screwball ill just leave it and see what happens
19:20<NeXX>is that not how you also spell the name of the virus?
19:20<NeXX>or did i spell it wrong?
19:20[~]NeXX is bad with spelling
19:20<amphi>NeXX: "flu'"
19:20<lupine_85>'flu, you wanted. Or influenza
19:20<NeXX>doh
19:20<lupine_85>:)
19:20<NeXX>ok shower time
19:20<family>lol
19:21<family>xorg is unpacking
19:21<family>oo warnings
19:21<xayon>family, why have you done that? If it's for security you've got less security that with a pre-compiled kernel, for speed, if you've got a 1.2 you're ok, it'll run very fast.
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19:22<family>well lets say i have a 300 mhz computer will this run nicely on it
19:22<family>:)
19:22<lupine_85>a 2.6 kernel would run nicely on a 300MHz processor
19:23<deltantor_>Heh, debian lenny runs fine on my (other) computer that is only 450mHz
19:23<xayon>:'( I've got a amd 486 and i cant run anything :(
19:23<abrotman>that's bull .. my 486 runs etch
19:23<family>lupine lol im sticking with 2.4
19:23<family>im a fool for it i dont know why
19:24<abrotman>family: are you running etch ?
19:24<xayon>abrotman, yes, but with "I cant run anything" I mean anything, it doesnt work :D
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19:24<family>yes
19:24<abrotman>family: it's not supported
19:24<family>well hopefully soon
19:24<abrotman>just run a damn 2.6 kernel
19:24<abrotman>why are you being difficult ..
19:24<abrotman>just use what comes on the CD
19:24<family>2.4 isnt supported with etch?
19:24<xayon>family, you're OUTDATED :-O
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19:24<abrotman>family: no ..
19:25<xayon>family, etch is too old.
19:25<abrotman>family: it might work .. but it's not supposed to
19:25<abrotman>xayon: wtf?
19:25<lupine_85>etch is stable
19:25<lupine_85>etch is current
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19:25<family>hmm lets see im thinking thinking thinking got it okay i havent added the kernel into the system yet so lets see i need something like this brb
19:26<xayon>ey, don't eat me, just joking. :)
19:26<abrotman>not funny
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19:26<family>kernel-image-2.4.25_i386.deb <----------------do you know where i can get a 2.6 img
19:26<xayon>abrotman, I'm not funny :(
19:26<abrotman>no
19:26<abrotman>family: use the kernel on the etch installer
19:26<bloodskin>how do i unmount a usb disk without ejecting it
19:27<family>abrotman im debootstrapping alot
19:27<lupine_85>umount /path/to/mount/point
19:27<abrotman>i todl you not to use the 2.4 .. if you use it .. you're on your own
19:27<bloodskin>thank you
19:27<family>abrotman its not iso yet havent touched it
19:27<olli>hey, may someone tell me where to get a recent xgl package for debian testing?
19:27<family>how can i see what kernel its going to use
19:27<abrotman>olli: xgl isn't in debian
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19:28<olli>oh, and where can i get the sources? x.org?
19:28<lupine_85>freedesktop.org
19:28<abrotman>!xgl
19:28<dpkg>from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl
19:29<lupine_85>Xgl ftl
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19:29<olli>and can i compile it not dependent on xorg? or need i compile both together somehow?
19:29<bloodskin>in theory unmounting an ipod named BLOODSKIN'S would use this command, correct? "unmount media/BLOODSKIN'S"
19:30<lupine_85>bloodskin: yep
19:30<bloodskin>oh, forgot the initial /
19:30<lupine_85>it won't unmount if anything is accessing it
19:31<family>this is what i do at the end to include the kernel http://www.pastebin.ca/691068
19:31<family>i am chroot . into the files right now adding packages and such
19:31<bloodskin>it does nothing but take me to a new line with > and a flashing rectangle
19:31<lupine_85>-x? oO
19:31<peter5>bloodskin: the ' is an open-quotation, you need to close it with another '
19:32<lupine_85>why not -i ?
19:32<peter5>bloodskin: but really you just need to escape it as \' instead of '
19:32<bloodskin>i will try that
19:33<peter5>bloodskin: yeah to get your prompt back just hit ctrl-c
19:33<bloodskin>unmount: command not found
19:33<bloodskin>o.O
19:33<family>will etch work with kernel 2.6.22.3-rc1-slh-smp-2
19:33<olli>umount
19:33<lupine_85>umount, not unmount
19:33<peter5>bloodskin: unmount is spelled umount. weird historical unixism
19:33<bloodskin>... oops
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19:33<peter5>bloodskin: (though on AIX, both command names are supported, amusingly enough)
19:33<lupine_85>family: well, yes
19:33<lupine_85>but why not use 2.6.18-5 and saev yourself some hassle?
19:33<bloodskin>thank you guys
19:33<family>true
19:34<bloodskin>i hope this solves my problem. time to log back into root and see
19:34<family>but now im so confused lupine do you understand what im doing right now?
19:34<lupine_85>you're well on the way to an unbootable system, I understand that much
19:34<xayon>Another thing, how can I create a file on every existing user's homedir ?
19:34<lupine_85>using dpkg -x means you won't end up with an initramfs. You need one of those.
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19:35<family>okay
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19:37<xayon>Is there any easy way or have i got to list /home and exec cp ./whatever $tmphome/ foreach homedir?
19:37<family>lupine i have the kernel image so if i use dpkg its going to extract this kernel-image-2.4.25_i386.deb
19:37<lupine_85>xayon: you could parse /etc/passwd for a more robust method
19:37<family>and then remove the image its self
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19:38<family>and i believe that the initramfs is included in that package
19:38<lupine_85>something like 'for i in $(cat /etc/passwd | cut <some args>) <do some stuff>; fi
19:38<family>or image lol
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19:38<lupine_85>family: no. It's generated on-the-fly by the postinst script
19:39<lupine_85>dpkg -i is your friend
19:39[~]dpkg removes a speen from lupine_85 and replaces it with is your friend
19:39<lupine_85>lol
19:39<lupine_85>I want my spleen back
19:39<family>okay so im going to use dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4 whatever
19:39<xayon>lupine_85, don't know if it normal but i've got a lot /home/whatever that dont exists on my /etc/passwd for example, festival's
19:40<family>now i need to get ahold of a 2.6 image
19:40<lupine_85>xayon: then for i in `ls /home` if you really wanty
19:41<lupine_85>for loops are good things
19:42<xayon>I know but, I'm not sure, you mentioned the passwd thing, and it seems interesting but I dont want to create a lot of not necessary things
19:43<lupine_85>only you can decide the right approach for your system
19:44<lupine_85>but /etc/passwd should list every user - and every HOME directory - on the system
19:44<lupine_85>if you were feeling posh, you'd use PAM to get them all for certain
19:45<family>http://www.pastebin.ca/691077 im still confused on the -x to -i part see more here
19:45<xayon>lupine_85, I've forgotten to add some info, sorry, I'm doing it for copying to the home dir some desktop conf files...
19:45<family>maybe that makes more sence?
19:46<lupine_85>-x just pulls data.tar.gz from the .deb and extracts it. -i installs the .deb properly
19:47<lupine_85>that is the stupidest installation routine I've ever seen
19:47<lupine_85>xayon: any user that requires desktop config files will be listed in /etc/passwd
19:47<family>lol but its still correct right?
19:48<lupine_85>no, it's a terrible idea, and 4 years out of date
19:48<xayon>lupine_85, but also the ones that doesnt need them. and usually users that uses desktop have their homes in /home
19:48<lupine_85>xayon: so use `ls /home`
19:48<xayon>Lol... :P
19:49<family>lupine with the installation still work if i get the 2.6 image?
19:49<lupine_85>I have no way of knowing
19:50<lupine_85>retarded things can sometimes work, but that doesn't mean you should do them
19:50<lupine_85>I do know that dpkg -x will leave you without an initramfs, which is Bad with any stock kernel
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19:52<family>lol k ill switch it to -i
19:53<family>where can i get a 2.6 kernel image
19:53<lupine_85>apt-get install linux-image-2.6
19:53<family>k
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19:57<[s0]>hello
19:58<[s0]>u can play Battlefield2 cedega? i cant playing, the punkbuster no init and no conect. u can help me?
19:58<family>i need a better sources.list mine is crap right now
19:58<[s0]>please
19:59<family>channel #cedega
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20:04<family>i want to reinstall xorg i think it could be messed up is it apt-get autoremove xorg?
20:05<lupine_85>apt-get install --reinstall
20:05<lupine_85>to reconfigure it, just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
20:05<family>thank you again
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20:08<family>lupine im bustin your balls right now and really need to stop heres one more :P http://www.pastebin.ca/691103 which one out of the list
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20:08<lupine_85>wel, that depends on your processor...
20:08<lupine_85>well*
20:09<family>its x86 not 64
20:09<family>lol 32
20:09<lupine_85>and it's a....
20:09<family>amd
20:09<lupine_85>go on...
20:09<family>1.2 ghz
20:09<family>athlon
20:09<lupine_85> linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7
20:10<family>its square has a buntch of pins and the color is green
20:10<family>:P
20:10<family>will that work with 300 mhz too?
20:10<lupine_85>probably not - you'll want 686 for that, most likely
20:10<family>k
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20:15<xayon>for h in `ls /home`
20:15<xayon>/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
20:16<lupine_85>it helps if you form a complete lexical structure
20:16<lupine_85>check out some random bash programming guide
20:17<Deltantor>Hi guys, how do i set up debian to give me a static ip instead of using DHCP?
20:17<lupine_85>Deltantor: edit /etc/network/interfaces
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20:18<xayon>lupine_85, I'd better sleep and i'll re-read it tomorrow, this is usually my fault. I've slept a few hour today
20:18<xayon>Thanks :)
20:19<n3x>how would i set up a new kernel compile for KVM
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20:19<family>where can i view a source.list
20:19<family>other then the one on my pc
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20:20<lupine_85>a google search will find plenty for you
20:20<lupine_85>!mirrors
20:20<dpkg>well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/
20:20<lupine_85>there's also that
20:20<n3x>for me lupine_85?
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20:35<n3x>do i need to make an initrd for compiled kernels
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20:37<chealer>n3x: no
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20:37<Levon>i dont have depmod.modutils how can i get this package with apt-get
20:38<n3x>chealer im using lvm and dev/mapper
20:38<Levon>apt-get install depmod.modutils doesnt work
20:38<n3x>how would i go about setting up my .config to enable that support
20:38<n3x>kernel 2.6.22 ?
20:38<Levon>Version requires old depmod, but couldn't run depmod.modutils: No such file or directory
20:38<lupine_85>depmod is in module-init-tools
20:38<chealer>Levon: depmod.modutils is not a package
20:38<Levon>aww i have to link it
20:39<Levon>how do i do that lol
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20:39<Levon>omg sidux doesnt have it
20:40<tcsetattr>if you have both modutils and module-init-tools installed, the modutils depmod is diverted to depmod.modutils
20:40<Levon>aw okay
20:40<Levon>i have learned so much within like 24 hrs
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20:41<Levon>apt-get install modutils
20:41<Levon>:)
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20:43<n3x>tcsetattr how would i enable lvm and mapper for a custom kernel
20:43<n3x>whe i make configit
20:43<simonrvn>you just do; make menuconfig
20:43<n3x>yes i know, but where are the options (modules) ive looked for lvm i found it under raid but dosnt sanything
20:44<mikkel>good morning :) im looking for a newbie firewall package with packet inspection (traffic shaping)..
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20:44<lupine_85>firestarter?
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20:44<mikkel>any ideas? was looking at shorewall but that seems too heavy
20:44<Taypan>alguien habla español
20:44<mikkel>firestarter has package inspection?
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20:44<Levon>whats this mean? depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented
20:45<Taypan>i'm amateur in debian i need help
20:45<Levon>figured it out
20:45<dli>Levon, apt-get install module-init-tools
20:45<Levon>i was in my other system
20:46<chealer>!tell Taypan about es
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20:46<Taypan>im from El salvador
20:47<Taypan>quiero configurar my printer its a canon ip1500
20:47<Taypan>i want to configurate my printer
20:47<lupine_85>Taypan: canon printers have patchy support :(
20:48<n3x>Taypan http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/#canon
20:48<lupine_85>see http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting
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20:50<n3x>Taypan http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_iP1500
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20:52<Taypan>well i download a driver for suse its ip1500linuxx.tar.gz
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20:53<Taypan>i convert rpm to .dev en them i installer
20:53<Taypan>sombady speak spanish
20:53<chealer>!es
20:53<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:54<Taypan>thank
20:54<Taypan>see later
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20:54<simonrvn>holy
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20:57<Supaplex>doughnuts
20:58<simonrvn>batman!
20:59<Supaplex>*chomp* *chomp* *chomp*
20:59<simonrvn>heheh
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21:00<Levon>turning on ssh /etc/something/ssh start
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21:02<Levon>etc/init.d/ssh start
21:02<Levon>right??
21:02<Levon>yep
21:02<mikegrb>sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
21:02<Levon>:)
21:02<Taypan>in #debian.es it's empty
21:06<isuckatlinux>no its not
21:09<Levon>how do i emulate the iso to see if it works?
21:09<Levon>its like emu or something
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21:10<ozatomic>anyone installed on DELL 2950?
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21:18<fsateler>my drive recently clicked (as when you boot or shutdown your computer), halted some processes on my pc, and then continued normally
21:19<fsateler>dmesg says: http://paste.debian.net/36781
21:19<fsateler>is my drive dying?
21:23<Levon>anyone know how to use qemu
21:25<piper>Levon: use vbox much better
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21:35<amphi>piper: in what way?
21:36<piper>amphi: every way that i use it to test iso's
21:36<piper>that i build
21:36<amphi>it doesn't seem to be in debian
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21:36<piper>it is in sid
21:37<amphi>piper: ah, thanks
21:37<piper>;)
21:37<amphi>can you be more specific about the advantages over qemu?
21:37<lupine_85>qemu + kqemu ftw
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21:38<amphi>lupine_85: yeah, that's worked pretty well for me
21:38<piper>amphi: speed is one, stablitity is another
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21:38<amphi>faster than qemu with the kernel module?
21:38<Lazy_Atheist>Hi
21:38<piper>amphi: much
21:39<lupine_85>qemu's usb is broken, but it works fine apart from that as far as I've used it
21:39<Lazy_Atheist>anybody got democracyplayer working?
21:39<amphi>piper: nice - presumably only emulating x86 on x86?
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21:40<piper>amphi: we use it for 64 bit sidux, so far not for 64 bit client
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21:40<amphi>uhuh
21:40<piper>and usb works fine :)
21:41<amphi>piper: thanks, I'll give it a go
21:41<piper>i use it for *cough* vista also (work)
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21:46<piper>amphi: don't forget to reboot and adduser <username> vboxusers
21:46<amphi>reboot?
21:47<piper>yes
21:47<amphi>why?
21:47<piper>you may *try without
21:51<piper>usually a reboot is required so that the sysfs files required for the vboxusers group have correct permissions, your mileage may vary without a reboot
21:52<piper>not sure on stable as i used woody/sarge briefly (i am a unstable person :))
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21:54<prahal>can I have two virtualhost one being test.mydomain.com and the other plus.test.mydomain.com
21:55<prahal>I always ends up on the first one
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21:59<gsimmons>prahal: With respect to Apache? Sure. The first virtualhost is the default, which explains that behaviour.
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22:00<prahal>they where in two different files . I am merging those per "site"" to enable me to choose the order ... crossing fingers
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22:01<gsimmons>prahal: You'd want to define the ServerName directive in each of your <VirtualHost> blocks, if you haven't already.
22:03<prahal>gsimmons: I did except for the default site from debian config
22:03<ozatomic>which 64bit arch do u use for Inteal Quad Core Xeon?
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22:05<Larks>How can I determine why my system is crashing? It just freezes intermitantly and I have to manually reboot.
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22:05<Larks>What log should I be referencing upon restart?
22:07<prahal>Larks: most probably ati drivers
22:07<Larks>I do not have ati hardware or drivers installed.
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22:08<Larks>what log contains information upon a crash? /var/log/???
22:08<prahal>/var/log/messages and kernel.log
22:09<prahal>though you have the messages of the restart that could confuse
22:09<Larks>won't /var/log/messages have information of the new restart, and not the crash?
22:09<Larks>yah.
22:10<Larks>what order does it save logs in.. like if I have messages messages.0 messages.1.gz messages.2.gz etc.. what is the newest, what is the oldest?
22:10<piper>heat, bad stick of ram, power supply, could also cause the problem
22:11<prahal>and dust in the fans
22:11<Larks>this is a brand new system
22:11<Larks>heat is well within tolerance.
22:13<Larks>this is what appears to have done it.
22:13<Larks>Sep 11 05:52:23 bendian2 kernel: firefox-bin[4767]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002b2a2f339069 rsp 00007fff7c66a830 error 6
22:15<Larks>Sep 11 02:00:15 bendian2 kernel: Pid: 3557, comm: Xorg Tainted: P 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1
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22:15<Larks>I also got that, but I think that was before I update xorg.
22:15<simonrvn>wee
22:15<simonrvn>made your x segv?
22:15<Larks>I dunno.
22:15<fsateler>does "ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen" mean my drive is dying?
22:15<fsateler>this appears after a drive lockup
22:15<Larks>just getting random segfaults
22:16<Larks>and crash.
22:16<piper>are you using X.Org 1.4.0 or 1.3.0
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22:17<Larks>how can I check?
22:17<piper>in stable not sure, infobash is not used :)
22:17<Larks>its stable
22:18<Larks>2.6.18-5-amd64
22:18<piper>most likely you using 1.3
22:18<piper>unless you did it manually
22:18<piper>so you can rule that out
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22:20<Larks>bendian2:/home/benjamin# apt-show-versions xorg
22:20<Larks>xorg/etch uptodate 1:7.1.0-19
22:20<Larks>if that helps at all
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22:21<NeXX>kde or gnome?
22:21<Larks>neither, flux
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22:22<NeXX>flux eh...never heard of it, i'll look tho
22:22<Larks>fluxbox
22:22<Larks>official name.
22:22<piper>yes that helps, not sure why you lockup, does it happen not using firefox
22:22<Larks>I think so, but I am not sure.
22:22<NeXX>any reasons why my mouse track ball wont work in debian?
22:23<JasonS>NeXX: all kinds of them
22:23<NeXX>you know that wheel thing for scrolling
22:23<piper>Larks: did you install fluxbox
22:23<NeXX>not yet
22:23<Larks>NeXX: you have to configure the trackball in xorg.
22:23<piper>NeXX: imwheel might help
22:23<NeXX>imwheel?
22:23<piper>giyf
22:24<piper>google is your friend
22:24<Larks>piper: what do you mean did I install fluxbox? that is the windowmanager I use.
22:24<piper>Larks: does that come default in etch
22:24<piper>or did you install it
22:24<Larks>piper: I installed it.
22:24<piper>k
22:24<piper>does it crash using kde
22:25<piper>or excuse me gnome
22:25<Larks>piper: I don't use kde/gnome
22:25<Larks>piper: fluxbox is a very stable wm
22:25<mehul>Larks: what is crashing/locking up for you ?
22:25<piper>Larks: i know what it is, i am just troubleshooting
22:25<Larks>mehul: Totally freezes, can't even get to a virtual term.
22:26<mehul>Larks: I have something similar happen on my ThinkPad with Etch on it.
22:26<mehul>X server will just lock up.
22:27<mehul>I can't do anything except a hard reboot.
22:27<Larks>mehul: this is very simlar. This just started recently however.
22:27<Larks>mehul: system is 3 weeks old, been doing this for 3 days.
22:27<mehul>and it happens, regardless of GNOME/vtwm/sawfish
22:28<Larks>other then /var/log/messages, where would be some other crash information?
22:28<mehul>Mine is over a year old but I just recently installed Linux on it (got rid of RedmondOS)
22:28<NeXX>lol i just switched over to flux and i have only a little bar in the bottom center
22:29<Larks>NeXX: yah its clean, right click for menu.
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22:29<Levon>omg im so close
22:29<NeXX>even with a right click i only get a little box saying fluxbox and nothing under it
22:29<mehul>Larks: I was going to ask the same question about where else I can look for information.
22:29<NeXX>im not even sure if i could log out
22:29<Levon>its just grub it prints across the screen grub grub grub grub grub grub grub nothing else
22:29<mehul>NeXX: the middle button has the menu
22:29<mehul>or is it the left one ?
22:29<Larks>NeXX: left click.
22:29<NeXX>ahhh thanks
22:29<Levon>my os installs to harddrive but some how grub is messed up
22:30<Levon>where is grub located please
22:30<Larks>Levon: /boot/grub/
22:30<mehul>Levon: /boot/grub
22:30<Levon>aww k
22:30<mehul>damn you beat me to it !
22:30<Larks>thats wehre configs reside
22:31<Larks>you can try , apt-get install grub
22:31<Larks>see if it fixes anything.
22:31<piper>Levon: like i told you at the other place man grub ;)
22:31<Levon>rofl u caught me
22:31<Levon>:)
22:31<mehul>Larks: does your lockup happen when make changes to the windoe manager like themes, etc ? and then quit out of it ?
22:31<Levon>but thats not even gona help me now
22:31<Larks>mehul: I don't know, I have not noticed that as being a source of crashes however.
22:32<piper>Levon: you should read more on what your doing, what are you using dfs or lfs
22:32<Larks>mehul: I don't mess with themes, but if I did it might make it crash ;)
22:32<NeXX>is there any shortcuts for like running a terminal or something like that?
22:32<NeXX>this fluxbox is so clean i cant even logout
22:32<Larks>NeXX: use left right and middle click untill you get a menyu
22:33<NeXX>i've got lots of menues but they are all about naming desktops and moving work spaces
22:33<Larks>NeXX: sometimes if has to configure itself
22:33<Larks>NeXX: right click -> Xshells -> Xterm
22:33<Larks>or.. right click -> exit to logout
22:34<Larks>but I think you have to have gdm installed to do that.
22:34<NeXX>my right click doesn't give me a list, just a box it looks like it should be a list but there is just "fluxbox" and then nothing under it
22:34<NeXX>i think its glitched
22:34<Larks>are you running gdm/xdm/kdm?
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22:35<NeXX>Larks: me?
22:35<Larks>NeXX: yes
22:35<NeXX>i dont what any of those are
22:35<Larks>NeXX: which are you running?... ok one sec
22:35<Larks>NeXX: are you on a seperate computer?
22:35<NeXX>im running debian in vmware
22:35<NeXX>so sorta
22:36<mehul>NeXX: what did you have for a login screen ?
22:36<NeXX>it asked for my user name at the bottom it had session and action and something else
22:36<Larks>NeXX: ok on the debian system type ctrl+alt+F1 , then type "which gdm"
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22:36<Larks>wait
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22:36<Larks>you may have to log in first
22:37<mehul>NeXX: I think you are using GDM.
22:37<NeXX>k im gonna just turn off the machine and reboot it
22:37<Larks>NeXX: so when you switch terminals, log in as root first
22:37<Larks>NeXX: nah nah
22:37<NeXX>k
22:37<Larks>NeXX: learn how to use linux :)
22:37<NeXX>ctr+alt+f1 didn't do any thing
22:38<mehul>Larks: everytime I change something with themes or config of the window manager I'm using, then quit, thats guaranteed to lock up my screen. Doesn't matter if I use GDM or XDM.
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22:38<Larks>NeXX: since you are running vmware, you probably have to hit ctrl+alt+enter to get fullscreen
22:38<Larks>NeXX: to get out
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22:38<NeXX>no getting out isn't the problem, im talking to you right now in windows
22:38<Larks>NeXX: of fullscreen, type ctrl+alt
22:38<NeXX>i can go back and forth no problem
22:38<NeXX>the problem is on debian on vmware i have a desktop with absolutley nothing on it
22:38<NeXX>and i cant log out
22:38<Larks>NeXX: get fullscreen on vmware, and hit ctrl+alt+f1
22:39<NeXX>k
22:39<Levon>okay i found something out the system is partitioning the hard drive into 6 partitions sda1,3:5,6,7,8 and grub is on sda1 the file reads (hd0) sda
22:39<NeXX>oh there that did something
22:39<NeXX>now i have a command prompt
22:39<Larks>NeXX: yep
22:39<NeXX>login prompt
22:39<Levon>the main chunk with home etc is on sda 3
22:39<NeXX>go in as root?
22:40<Larks>NeXX: you have 7 terminals.... 1-6 and 7 is the GUI
22:40<Larks>NeXX: yes
22:40<NeXX>ahh ok
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22:40<Levon>any ideas wish there was a easier way of showing this
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22:40<NeXX>now that im in as root what do i want to do?
22:40<NeXX>ps x? and shut down the gui?
22:41<Larks>type apt-get install fluxbox fluxconf
22:41<Larks>then type "which gdm"
22:41<NeXX>ok
22:41<NeXX>. /user/sbin/gdm
22:41<Larks>k
22:41<NeXX>ignore the .
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22:42<Larks>now type /etc/init.d/gdm stop
22:42<NeXX>done
22:42<Larks>now type which xterm
22:43<NeXX>. /usr/bin/xterm
22:43<Larks>k
22:43<Larks>do you have a user other then root?
22:43<NeXX>yup
22:43<Larks>kk
22:43<Larks>type /etc/init.d/gdm start
22:43<Larks>and log in as that user
22:44<NeXX>should i use the Fluxbox session? or just default?
22:44<Larks>sure do fluxbox
22:44<Larks>I love it.
22:44<Larks>I will show you another cool one too.
22:45<NeXX>ok so i've got the fluxbox desktop up, but i just have a clean screen with a little toolbar on the bottom
22:45<Larks>yep
22:45<Larks>thats how flux looks
22:45<NeXX>ok now my menues are there
22:45<Larks>right click the desktop and see what you get.
22:46<NeXX>lots of stuff
22:46<Larks>k, thats the menu
22:46<Larks>if you do xshells xterm
22:46<Larks>thats an xterm
22:46<NeXX>ok
22:46<Larks>this menu is automatically generated for you, as you install new stuff it shows up in the meny
22:46<NeXX>oh nice i like
22:46<Larks>ok..
22:47<Larks>now ctrl+alt+f1 again
22:47<NeXX>done
22:47<Larks>then ctrl+alt+f2
22:47<Larks>then ctrl+alt+f3
22:47<Larks>these are known as virtual terminals.
22:47<Larks>now ctrl+alt+f7
22:48<Larks>that should bring you desktop back up again.
22:48<NeXX>k im having problems with it cuz every time i hit ctr+alt it releases focus from the VM
22:48<NeXX>but it works
22:48<Larks>you have to hit the f1-2-3-7 etc. fast
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22:49<Larks>but anyway
22:49<NeXX>ok
22:49<Larks>get back to the desktop
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22:49<NeXX>k
22:49<Larks>open an xterm
22:49<NeXX>k
22:49<Larks>type "su"
22:49<Larks>put in the root password.
22:49<NeXX>done
22:50<Larks>apt-get install enlightenment enlightenment-theme-bluesteel
22:50<NeXX>mmmm bluesteel
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22:50<NeXX>...working
22:50<NeXX>..done
22:51<Larks>right click -> window managers -> enlightenment
22:52<NeXX>oh neet
22:53<Larks>change the theme to bluesteel
22:53<Larks>all of these windowmanagers are exteremely configurable
22:53<Larks>see the homepage for examples and howto's
22:53<NeXX>omg so much stuff here
22:54<NeXX>this is really neet
22:54<NeXX>how do i change the theme?
22:54<Larks>ummm
22:54<NeXX>nm got it
22:54<Larks>1 sec
22:54<Larks>k
22:54[~]NeXX checks his shorts
22:54<NeXX>this is fucking sexeh
22:55<Larks>another cool one is fwm
22:55<Larks>super configurable
22:55<NeXX>just do a apt-get on that one?
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22:56<Larks>yah sure..
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22:56<Larks>you can do apt-cache search twm
22:57<Larks>to find things related to it
22:57<NeXX>yeah i found xfwm4
22:57<piper>xfce4 & enlightinment is built from fwvm
22:57<Larks>xfce is very popular
22:57<piper>fwvm is one of the oldest
22:57<Larks>anyone know how to xnest over ssh?
22:57<piper>i use fwvm-crystal
22:57<NeXX>i rather like this enlightenment tho, super cool
22:58<Larks>ssh -X -C hostname xnest -q localhost ?
22:58<mehul>enlightenment has lots of eye candy :)
22:58<Larks>something like this.
22:58<Larks>mehul: yah that was my old fav.
22:58<piper>mehul: but still very buggy
22:58<Larks>piper: not too bad.
22:58<craigevil>fluxbox on bugnx rocks, might have to find the configs and copy them
22:58<piper>it is better
22:58<mehul>I prefer vtwm and/or sawfish
22:59<Larks>I'm for flux all the way :)
22:59<mehul>For some reason I never liked enlightenment, don't why.
22:59<niru>hi Larks mehul piper craigevil NeXX
22:59<piper>its, different
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23:00<mehul>went from twm -> vtwm -> fvwm -> afterstep -> vtwm / sawfish
23:00<NeXX>lol i removed the boarder of my xterm and now i dont know how to close it or move it
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23:00<piper>hi niru
23:00<mehul>Hello niru
23:00<piper>ah afterstep, forgot about that one
23:01<mehul>yeah it was good before it became 2
23:01<mehul>My new fav seems to be sawfish using the mxflat theme :)
23:02<piper>kde/fwvm-crystal :)
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23:02<niru>I have a 1gb usb stick
23:02<niru>I want to put my customized debian iso image(full install cd image) into it
23:03<niru>I followed the following link
23:03<niru>http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html
23:03<niru>section 4.4.2
23:03<niru>but after i reboot I see some garbage characters only
23:05<NeXX>is bitchx the best linux irc client?
23:06<Larks>well
23:06<isuckatlinux>they r all the same
23:06<Larks>NeXX: if you want it in a terminal
23:06<Larks>then I say yes
23:06<mehul>irssi is better then BitchX
23:06<Larks>if not, if in GUI, then try gaim.
23:06<NeXX>no not terminal
23:06<Larks>apt-get install gaim
23:06<mehul>Or try X-Chat for GUI
23:06<NeXX>really gaim?
23:07<piper>gaim ? gaim is now pidgin
23:07<NeXX>yeah i think i'll try x-chat, i didn't like gaim too much
23:07<Larks>I am in gaim right now..
23:07<Larks>it rocks.
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23:07<piper>i use it also, i talk to my kids, grandkids all the time
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23:07<Larks>wow xnest and ssh are pretty sweet combo.
23:08<Larks>ssh -X -C user@hostname Xnest :1 -query localhost -geometry 1280x1024
23:08<piper>apt-cache search gaim will show transitional package to pidgin
23:09<Larks>that will bring up a GUI on your local computer of the remote computer in a window
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23:09<NeXX>im not too sure about this gaim
23:09<NeXXtea>w0rd
23:09<Larks>what do you not like about it?
23:10<piper>great for im, konversation for irc
23:10<NeXXtea>iono im gonna have to play around with it i guess
23:10<NeXXtea>is it scriptable?
23:10<Larks>prob not.
23:10<Larks>dunno
23:10<Larks>I use it as the tool it was made for ;)
23:10<NeXXtea>hehe
23:10<NeXXtea>well i'll look around
23:11<mehul>gaim is scriptable via perl and tcl plugins for it.
23:11[~]ricky is currently enjoying irssi :)
23:11[~]mehul is enjoying irssi currently as well
23:11<Larks>I figured, since you were running debian in vmware under windows, you couldn't be to concerned with configurability ;)
23:12<NeXX>irssi is in terminal?
23:12<mehul>NeXX: yes
23:13<Larks>NeXX: if you want a trick setup, run vmware under debian with windows installed as the virtual machine.
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23:13<Larks>NeXX: I do that at work.
23:13<NeXX>im starting to seriously think about that tbh
23:13<NeXX>im very happy with how debian is running
23:14<Larks>NeXX: for me, windows runs faster under vmware, debian host, then installed natively.. its insane.
23:14<NeXX>it looks awsome, im just gonna have to do some media testing, make sure i can watch all my porn with out any problems
23:14<NeXX>really eh, thats wierd
23:14<NeXX>can you play games in windows that way?
23:14<NeXX>any problems in other words?
23:15<Larks>no you cannot play games
23:15<Larks>vmware does not support video acceleration
23:16<Larks>play games in linux :)
23:16<Larks>also
23:16<Larks>for videos.. in linux apt-get install w32codecs
23:16<NeXX>im not even going to hesitate on that one
23:17<NeXX>couldn't find it
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23:17<Larks>apt-cache search codec|grep w32
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23:18<NeXX>what did that do?
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23:18<Larks>the apt-cache search searched the cache for keywords codec
23:18<Larks>then I used the | (pipe) command to send those results to the grep program
23:19<Larks>of which found in those results what had w32 in them
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23:19<NeXX>i see, and nothing happend out of that so nothing was found?
23:19<Larks>guess not
23:19<Larks>apt-get update
23:20<Larks>are you running etch?
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23:20<gsimmons>!w32codecs
23:20<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>
23:20<NeXX>what is etch?
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23:20<NeXX>!etch
23:20<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable
23:20<Larks>oh you need to add
23:20<Larks>edit you /etc/apt/sources.list
23:21<mehul>NeXX: you need to add "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list file (without the quotes)
23:21<Larks>that works.
23:21<NeXX>ahh ok one sec
23:21<mehul>NeXX: then do --> apt-get update
23:21<mehul>and then try installing the way
23:22<mehul>Larks told you.
23:22<NeXX>in that file each entry has a deb-src link as well
23:23<NeXX>does this one not need that?
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23:23<kop>What's the debian way to install iceweasel (firefox) plugins? I did a package search and didn't come up with any plugins.
23:23<NeXX>apt-get install firefox
23:23<NeXX>it will install iceweasel instead any ways
23:23<mehul>NeXX: you only need that if you plan on building from source
23:23<kop>mehul, Larks : (aptitude is now preferred over apt-get, because it keeps systems cleaner over time by removing unused automatically installed dependencies.)
23:24<kop>NeXX: I've got it installed, I want some plugings.
23:24<kop>(plugins)
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23:24<mehul>kop: what sort of plugins ?
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23:24<mehul>the way I do it is just download them and install them (not through aptitude)
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23:25<piper>well 5 hours till work n8 all
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23:25<kop>mehul: Dunno. Just had a nasty popup show up and didn't like it. Surely there's css plugins I want too. (I just don't know what they are.)
23:25<Shizen>howdy folks
23:25<mehul>night piper
23:25<kop>mehul: What happens when the browser updates?
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23:25<mehul>kop: the browser updates and also searches for updates to your plugins.
23:25<NeXX>there we go w32codecs installed
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23:26<mehul>it informs you if you want to disable plugins that don't work with the upgraded version.
23:26<kop>mehul: I suppose that's ok. Does it do any checks to ensure it's got signed plugins?
23:27<mehul>kop: yeah it does check for them, but I haven't come across many that are signed by the authors.
23:27<kop>mehul: Well, I suppose that's as good as it gets.
23:27<mehul>kop: I use Tools -> Addon from the menu in Iceweasel to get to the plugins page
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23:27<mehul>kop: for CSS, you want to get WebDeveloper
23:28<kop>mehul: Any recommendations for a popup blocker?
23:28<kop>mehul: Thanks. I knew there was something out there but had forgotten the details.
23:28<mehul>Web Developer 1.1.4 is what I've got.
23:28<NeXX>omg fuck windows
23:29<mehul>I just use the Iceweasel builtin settings for pop blocking. does a good job for the sites I want to go to.
23:29[~]NeXX is starting to see no reason at all to use windows
23:29<kop>NeXX: Too late. It's already done that to you. ;-)
23:29<NeXX>:P
23:29<mehul>NeXX: Welcome to the real world ! :)
23:29<kop>mehul: I thought I had that on, but still got a popup. I'll look.
23:30<NeXX>i feel...enlightend ^_^
23:30<mehul>haha
23:30<kop>mehul: Yup, it's on and I still got a popup.
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23:31<mehul>kop: those porn sites will get you one way or another :)
23:31<mehul>there are plenty of add ons for pop up blocking .. just browse through the page you get from Tools->Addons
23:32<kop>mehul:)
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23:40<test1>hi , hello all
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23:40<test1>is there anyone experienced with RAID controllers under linux ?
23:41<blarson>What do I put in hosts.allow/hosts.deny to not be parinoid about ssh but continue being parinoid about everything else?
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23:41<blarson>test1: I just use software raid. Much better than fake-raid that cheap "raid" controlers implement.
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23:42<test1>but i need to use RAID controller because
23:42<Larks>test1: are you using hw raid or sw raid?
23:42<test1>my motherboard has only one IDE port and
23:43<test1>it is connected to my CD and DVD writers and
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23:43<test1>i need to connect two IDE hard-disk along with my SATA booter hard-disk :-(
23:44<test1>i do not need the RAID functionality itself
23:44<test1>i only need connecting 3 hard-disk concorrently 1-2 of them are IDE
23:45<test1>i bought a raid controller with VIA VT6421 chip but
23:45<test1>it could not detect my IDE hard under linux
23:45<test1>and only worked well under windows
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23:48<test1>is there anyone working with one of RAID controllers in http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html
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23:55<kop>test1: Does the controller show up when you do a lspci?
23:56<kop>test1: You may as well do all your raid in software. That way if the controller breaks all your data does not go bye-bye until you find a compatible controller.
23:57<kop>test1: The other thing to note about ide drives is that the "cable select" jumper position is flakey. Always hard set the drive to either master or slave.
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23:58<test1>kop, yes it is shown in lspci and
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23:58<test1>in dmesg it produce some messages about its ports but
23:58<kop>!tell test1 -about enter
23:59<test1>it didn't detect my IDE hard disk attached to it, do you have experience with it ?
23:59<kop>test1: Was the drive jumpered to master and not cable select?
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