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---Logopened Wed Sep 12 00:00:07 2007
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00:01<Snapser>what does I need to compile into the kernel to support guarddog (uses iptables)
00:02<chealer>Snapser: the stock kernels already have iptables. you have a custom kernel and want to make sure you don't remove iptables?
00:03<Snapser>I guess...
00:03<Snapser>I'll get he error message
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00:04<Snapser>Configuring firewall rules. iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
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00:11<Dreamlinux>q tal estimados!
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00:24<Dreamlinux>alguin por ahi ?? jeje :)
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00:25<Dreamlinux>anyone speak spanish?
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00:28<Dreamlinux>hello. anybody there??
00:29<ya-basta>hello there
00:29<Dreamlinux>jeje ji dude
00:29<Dreamlinux>one question... ¿everybody here speak english, right?
00:30<Dreamlinux>no spanish?
00:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:31<Dreamlinux>i see..
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00:32<niru>I am unable to use the preconfiguration file in usb
00:32<niru>in syslinux.cfg I gave default vmlinuz
00:32<Dreamlinux>i am the unique chilean here.. i thing jeje :)
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00:32<niru>append initrd=initrd.gz file=preseed.cfg
00:33<niru>and when running qemu it shows
00:33<niru>loading the preconfiguration file
00:33<niru>is there any mistake in giving the path
00:33<niru>do I need to give it as file=/preseed.cfg
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00:36<jm_>where did you put preseed.cfg?
00:36<Dreamlinux>ok see ya my friends.. they care
00:36<Dreamlinux>bytes :)
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00:44<niru>gsimmons, any idea
00:50<niru>jm_, in usb top level directory
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00:51<niru>jm_, ie I mounted the usb in /media/disk/
00:51<niru>and there I copied preseed.cfg file in /media/disk/
00:51<niru>and in syslinux.cfg gave append initrd=initrd.gz file=preseed.cfg
00:52<jm_>niru: are you using initrd?
00:53<niru>jm_, yes
00:53<niru>initrd from hd-media
00:53<niru>without using preseed file it works fine
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00:53<jm_>niru: did you even read IG?
00:53<niru>jm_, why
00:54<jm_>niru: why? ahh only because it explains how to make pre-seeding happen
00:54<niru>jm_, I read it and found
00:54<jm_>niru: pay attention to B.2.1. Loading the preconfiguration file
00:54<niru> preseed/file=/hd-media/preseed
00:54<niru>jm_, I saw that
00:54<niru>and did the same way
00:55<jm_>no you didn't
00:55<jm_>read the first statement again
00:55<niru># If you're installing from USB media, use this, and put the preseed file
00:55<niru># in the toplevel directory of the USB stick.
00:55<niru># preseed/file=/hd-media/preseed
00:55<niru># Be sure to copy this file to the location you specify.
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00:55<jm_>again, read the first statement please
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00:58<niru>jm_, I read it but I could not understand you only have to make sure a file named preseed.cfg is included in the root directory of the initrd
00:58<niru>how to add preseed.cfg to root directory of initrd
00:59<jm_>from B.2: How to get the preconfiguration file included in the initrd is outside the scope of this document; please consult the developers' documentation for debian-installer.
00:59<jm_>IOW, do it in your initrd generation step
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01:00<klys>first post
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01:16<coreid>Hi folks, one of our users deleted a tar file from his home directory and unfortunately the home directories sit on a raid5 device, many users have used the system since then and they probably have written files to disks (it is a server), is there some hope of recovering the deleted file? The filesystem on the raid5 device is ext3.
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01:21<tcsetattr>raid doesn't protect you from "oops, didn't mean to rm that"
01:21<tcsetattr>backups aren't obsolete yet.
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01:22<nitalaut>hi guys
01:22<tcsetattr>the sooner you quit writing to the filesystem the better chance that something is still there from the deleted file
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01:23<coreid>tcsetattr: completely understood, I am asking if it would be possible to search for the file by mounting the raid device ro and using a file recovery tool.
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01:23<nitalaut>does anyone know how to make mrtg draw thin lines in graphs instead of thick line which it draws by default ?
01:24<tcsetattr>sure it's possible, if it hasn't been fully overwritten yet, you can still get parts back by searching the unused blocks
01:24<Levon>anyone know how to apt-get ppmtolss16?
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01:25<coreid>tcsetattr: any suggestions for file recovery tools?
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01:26<tcsetattr>I've done it manually with debugfs and lde. I don't know about anything automatic
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01:34<coreid>tcsetattr: thanks, I will give this a try.
01:34<dpkg>methinks undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems.
01:37<tcsetattr>in other words it doesn't work :)
01:38<coreid>I think tct tools are also useful
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01:42<tcsetattr>lde is pretty out of date too, doesn't know about ext3, but it's still OK in readonly mode to look around. it has reasonably good navigation of the low-level filesystem structures. a modernized version would be nice.
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02:23<niru>jm_, r u there
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02:26<tzafrir>anybody used a pbuilder on a vserver?
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02:38<jan>Could someone suggest me a good control panel for lenny that looks about BIND/Apache, I need them for my clients (GUI).
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02:43<alaya>vim ?
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02:50<gsimmons>!tell jan -about free whcp
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02:59<niru>gsimmons, hi
02:59<niru>gsimmons, asking some help
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03:01<niru>gsimmons,we are using initrd.gz
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03:01<niru>gsimmons, and as you showed the IG B2.1
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03:02<niru>there it is mentioned that if we use initrd then preseed file need to be available in root directory of initrd
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03:06<gsimmons>niru: Well, just because you have an 'initrd.gz' file doesn't mean you have to use initrd preseeding. You could also use the file or network preseeding methods.
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03:23<Garp>Question: how to reboot a linux system from CLI if most command fails to run? thanks.
03:24<Shizen>shutdown -r now ?
03:24<Garp>Shizen: -bash: /sbin/shutdown: Permission denied
03:24<Garp>Shizen: i insist on * most command fails to run*
03:25<niru>gsimmons, then what need to be done
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03:25<tcsetattr>sysrq Unmount, Sync, Boot
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03:26<tcsetattr>best that can be done to get a clean reboot when userspace is screwed
03:26<Garp>I remember some cat ion /proc
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03:26<visik7>if I've a big dist-upgrade (around 100 packages) and some program take inside some packages that I don't want, how can I found which package depends on it without checking all packages 1 by 1 ? (apt-cache rdepends is not an option)
03:27<tcsetattr>yeah you can activate sysrq through /proc I think, but normally it's done via the console keyboard... alt+printscreen is the sysrq key. hold it down (both of them) and type the command letter. (U then S then B)
03:27<tcsetattr>on serial console, send a break signal for sysrq
03:27<Garp>tcsetattr: I'm not at console, I'm remote :(
03:27<Garp>(by ssh)
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03:28<tcsetattr>if your ssh connection is still function, things aren't really that messed up :)
03:28<Garp>(btw it seems that I have screwed my only ssh connexion :(
03:28<Garp>OK, I'll walt to the machine room ;(
03:28<tcsetattr>echo U > /proc/sysrq-trigger
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03:29<gsimmons>niru: It's all in the Installation Guide (section B.2.1). The third "boot parameters to specify" example would probably be the most relevant. Your preseed file would need to be transferred to your USB stick's filesystem, with your required parameters added to the "append" line of your syslinux.cfg file.
03:29<Garp>tcsetattr: thanks for the tips, but it seems it's a bit too late :(
03:29<tcsetattr>if you haven't determined the cause of the problem, you don't know that an immediate reboot will make it better. it could make it worse.
03:29<DebianBeginer>íàðóññêîì êòî ãîâîðèò òóò?
03:29<Garp>tcsetattr: I'll keep that under my pillow for lter use...
03:30<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
03:30<Garp>tcsetattr: yes, might be hardware... Then maintenace call is what I'll do ;)
03:30<Garp>many processes are i D state
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03:30<tcsetattr>you can still run ps?
03:31<Garp>tcsetattr: on an user ssh I cannot su
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03:31<Garp>-bash: /bin/su: cannot execute binary file
03:31<Garp>and my root ssh is now in D state
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03:31<Garp>there is some user 'ls' taking 99% of cpu
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03:32<Shizen>kill it with fire
03:32<Garp>but now that I have no root access, it's a bit complex to do something
03:32<tcsetattr>you're in one of those edge of disaster situations where a few things are mysteriously still working
03:34<Garp>tcsetattr: ssh works "a bit" do you know hopw to prevent reading the bashrc and such when doing a remote login? Is there a way ?
03:35<tcsetattr>ssh somehost bash --norc perhaps?
03:36<berto>does anyone know why compiz is in debian but not emerald??
03:37<Garp>tcsetattr: OK, my root login worked somehow
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03:40<mjk>Does Debian have an alternative to "pdfedit"? I want to edit, and PDFedit acts very buggy (with this document).
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03:42<Garp>tcsetattr: I did echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
03:42<Garp>seems it hung the machine...
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03:42<Garp>I'll have to go to machine room, I'm afraid (IPMI not yet installed :(
03:42<Garp>OK, I'll go.
03:42<Garp>thanks for the help
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03:46<berto>does anyone know why compiz is in debian but emerald is not??
03:47<cusco>I thought emerald was for beryl
03:49<berto>and for compiz too
03:50<berto>so which decorator should be used with compiz anyway?
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03:52<cusco>I firgot the name, but I remember beeing one in there... besides metacity
03:53<cusco>what is that var that I export, TZ_Something to adjust time on the session to my needs?
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03:57<mutulica>can debian be installed on a 4 x dual core cpus system?
03:59<jm_>cusco: TZ
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04:02<fa2>ssh wasnt included in standard install of debian
04:02<fa2>i managed to get the package running
04:02<fa2>and now im proud of myself :D
04:03<fa2>now theres one bridge to cross still
04:03<fa2>samba server
04:03<fa2>i cant log in with the root or other users
04:03<fa2>do i have to make seperate accounts for samba that i can use to login?
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04:05<fa2>hmm ok gonna find me a walkthrough
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04:07<Levon>i have a question its code based so please take the time to look over 7 lines of it :)
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04:21<fa2>iver set up a user for samba and a pw
04:21<fa2>now i het in base directory
04:22<fa2>but cant browse disk
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04:22<fa2>. /etc/samba/smb.conf = permission denied
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04:23<fa2>any pointers?
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04:25<Shizen>you trying to open the smb.conf for editing ?
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04:29<fa2>yes Shizen
04:30<Shizen>try using nano or joe
04:30<fa2>i did "read smb.conf"
04:30<Shizen>nano /etc/samba/smb.conf
04:31<fa2>this is what i needed ty Shizen
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04:55<Jimmypw>has anyone got any experiance installing nagios?
04:55<Jimmypw>from the apt package
04:55<Shizen>not me
04:56<Jimmypw>or a channel dedicated to it
04:57<fa2>Shizen im free to browse my complete disk on DEbian samba
04:57<fa2>but i dont have write / delete xs
04:58<Shizen>errr I have no idea about that lol
04:58<Shizen><-- beginner
04:58<fa2>ive found a few tuts on internet but those are for general rights policies
04:58<fa2>oh pitty
04:58<fa2>meh too
04:58<Shizen>might want to check the samba manual
04:58<fa2>getting pwned step by step :D
04:58<jm_>try using swat if you can't figure it out from man smb.conf
04:59<fa2>i was in that
04:59<Shizen>oh jm_, is the php5.2 from the site's source tarball only installs the CGI bin ?
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05:00<padski>Jimmypw: I looked at it once and came to the conclusion it was going to take more time than I had to spare right then :-(
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05:00<Shizen>hrmm VMWare's slow >_>
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05:01<sarthor>Hi, i am runing my cable net, users are connect via simple lan cable to my linux box, Can i assign subnet to each client via dhcp??? How
05:01<petemc>why would you want to do that?
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05:02<jm_>Shizen: I don't understand your question
05:02<Shizen>actually... neither do I >_> sorry
05:03<Shizen>after ./configure-ing there's a 'warning' that said the compile will only produce CGI binary
05:03<sarthor>petemc, I want that my client could not see the lan computers easily.
05:03<Shizen>not the apache module
05:03<petemc>sarthor: so dont give them an ip?
05:03<sarthor>petemc, I want that my client could not see the lan computers easily. also other share folders
05:03<jm_>why are you compiling?
05:04<Shizen>because I'm trying to get used to this :3
05:04<Shizen>I know I can just apt-get install php5
05:04<sarthor>petemc, so what will be the solution? how can i handle them?
05:04<Shizen>but that would be an 'easy way out'
05:04<jm_>don't do that or you'll mess up your Debian system
05:05<Shizen>hmmm well I can just reinstall the system since it's VMWare >_> but do tell
05:05<Shizen>why would it mess up my debian system ?
05:06<sarthor>petemc, I have binded each user IP with there lan mac, from dhcp.conf
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05:06<Joy>anyone here use samba with ldap? i'm wondering how to allow users to access machines that don't match the primary SID or whatsitcalled
05:06<jm_>because you'll install stuff compiled from source possibly overwriting Debian stuff etc.
05:13<seanius>that's what --prefix is for when you do ./configure
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05:17<padski>the default *should* be /usr/local/ anyways ...
05:18<Levon>help i need to qemu my iso that has a linux os on it
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05:19<sarthor>Hi, i am runing my cable net, users are connect via simple lan cable to my linux box, Can i assign subnet to each client via dhcp??? How, i am assigning ips to my user via dhcp, binded ip against each user MAC, Address.
05:19<jm_>qemu -cdrom foo.iso -boot d
05:19<Shizen>hmmm... another problem... this debian installation is installed on a VMWare machine, but there seems to be a 'rampant keys' that keep being 'pressed'
05:19<Shizen>as a result, the cursor keeps running away in nano/joe
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05:22<Jimmypw>sarthor no
05:22<Slavik>Hi, tell me please where i can download Debian, core 2.4
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05:22<sarthor>Jimmypw, Thank you friend
05:23<Jimmypw>sarthor: if you did you couldnt have any hosts on your network he highest you can have is
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05:23<Jimmypw>which allows for 3 hosts
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05:23<padski>Slavik: there was a 2.4 kernel in woody. I don't think there is one in etch.
05:24<sarthor>Jimmypw, this time i am Using internet via adsl. and it assign me subnet of
05:29<petemc>thats a ppp thing
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05:41<Jimmypw>iirc subnets are sort of irrelevant in the internet, ppp is just a connection between 2 devices so there is no need for a network or broadcast address
05:41<Jimmypw>not the internet as a whole just ppp :p
05:42<jm_>that's why it's called Point to Point Protocol
05:43<jan>I need this location - Where is located your php4 cgi parser ?
05:45<jan>ok solved
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05:47<jan>I am looking for a Control Panel GUI solution to use on a debian system
05:47<jan>I tried this DTC/GPLhost and it refuses to install
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05:51<padski>jan: ebox or webmin ?
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06:12<mixter>hi! i have two sata-disks using md (raid 1) and one hw-raid-card in a server. when booting the raid-card is names /dev/sda or /dev/sdc depending on in which order the disks are detected. for the md partitions this isn't a problem, but fince i have an entry for /dev/sdc1 in /dev/fstab the system hangs at bootup if the raid-card is detected as /dev/sda. are there any good solutions to this problem?
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06:14<padski>mixter: e2label ?
06:14<padski>mixter: or you can probably force a specific detectino order with udev, but you need to consider part replacement scenarios
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06:15<pi06jw9>Hello, world!
06:15<padski>pi06jw9: did you write a program to do that ? ;-)
06:16<pi06jw9>padski: why of course
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06:17<mixter>padski: ok! i'll check e2label. thanks!
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06:19<pi06jw9>are you there padski my best friend?
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06:24<pi06jw9>people are leaving :-)
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06:25<pi06jw9>uuhh mis
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06:34<niru>gsimmons, r u there
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06:52<baktaah>How do I add my user as sudo?
06:53<baktaah>petemc, I have
06:53<baktaah>and I also added USER ALL=(ALL) ALL
06:53<baktaah>still doesnt work
06:53<petemc>you replaced USER with the real username?
06:54<baktaah>hmm will try now
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06:55<sep>baktaah, keep in mind that the password asked by sudo is the users's password not root's
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06:58<Benix>hi, I disovered something really strange while backporting compiz 0.5.2 to debian etch:
06:59<Benix>All build-depencies are solved and it compiles without any further operations other then apt-get build-dep compiz
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06:59<Benix>but the created package compiz-gtk depends on libmetacity0 (>= 1:2.15.21) _although_ it has been compiled against 2.14.5-4
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07:00<Benix>compiz-gtk.substvars also says libmetacity0 (>= 1:2.15.21) ... I recreated my etch-chroot, but still same bug / problem ... all other depencies are okay, like libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6)
07:01<Benix>any idea how this is possible?
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07:03<lupine_85>Benix: it depends on that version because of a bug in earlier libmetacity (I forget the exact details)... it does work with the earlier version, though
07:04<Benix>lupine_85: hm, that would mean that there is a version override anywhere in the debian/ directory?
07:04<lupine_85>debian/control IIRC
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07:06<Benix>lupine_85: because debian/control only demands libmetacity-dev without any version like ( >= 1:2.15.21)
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07:06<lupine_85>That's the Build-Dep; how about the runtime deps ?
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07:07<lupine_85>(it's been ages and a day since I compiled up heliodor for etch)
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07:08<Benix>lupine_85: Depends: compiz-core (= ${binary:Version}), ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} ... nothing more, nothing less
07:09<Benix>lupine_85: I found no place which would "force" metacity to be 2.15.21
07:09<lupine_85>hrm. compiz-gtk.substvars ?
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07:09<lupine_85>where is that, in the grand scheme of things?
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07:10<Benix>except compiz-gtk.substvars which gets created while compiling, but I dunno howto influence this behavoir, since this file gets recreated when dpkg-buildpackage starts to work
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07:10<lupine_85>hmm. Do you know at what part of the build process it's created?
07:11<lupine_85>you can modify debian/rules to modify it (a sed line or something) right after it's created, although that's hardly ideal... really, we need to find out where it's getting that value from
07:11<Benix>lupine_85: I looked at debian/rules, but no, I am not sure whicht dh_* or whatever creates this *.substvars
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07:11<Benix>lupine_85: yepp, indeed
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07:12[~]lupine_85 racks a debian developer's brains
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07:18<lupine_85>Benix: try grepping the entire source tree for that version string ?
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07:20<Benix>lupine_85: aah, it seems to be debian/shlibs.local ;)
07:21<lupine_85>yeah, I just got the source and found that too :)
07:21<lupine_85>debian/changelog: 36 talks about /why/
07:21<Benix>lupine_85: grmpf ... I also saw that a few seconds ago .. Sorry
07:22<lupine_85>np :)
07:22<Benix>lupine_85: but thanks :)
07:22[~]lupine_85 huggles grep -rn
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07:28<Benix>lupine_85: hm, but this also means, that it won't work on debian etch ... Just recompiled it for fun .. and, as expected, the windowmanager fails to start
07:29<lupine_85>Strange. Heliodor worked fine on etch
07:29<Benix>lupine_85: this was beryl ;)
07:30<lupine_85>indeed, but gwd & heliodor were very similar
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07:30<lupine_85>so... you could backport metacity as well?
07:30<lupine_85>I can't see people being too happy with that, though :D
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07:30<Benix>lupine_85: yepp, it is possible, but I will need to backport *a lot of stuff* for it
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07:31<lupine_85>probably not worth the effort
07:32<Benix>lupine_85: hm, you're right ... Will stay with compiz 0.2.2
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07:36<Benix>lupine_85: however, as I just said - thanks! So I learned again to put my eyes open :-}
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07:37<isuckatlinux>have u guys tried to compile ur own debs?
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07:37<isuckatlinux>i wonder how painful it is
07:37<lupine_85>on a semi-regular basis
07:38<lupine_85>how painful it is, depends on what you're trying to do :)
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07:38<sasha>hi , could someone explain me how to get the gcc command from a makefile cause i cannot see them in it ?
07:38<lupine_85>a straight source recompile is easy
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07:39<lupine_85>sasha: how to get it?
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07:40<sasha>yes i m porting a projet to windows from linux but the original makefiles build .a libraries and i want dlls but i cannot see the successins of gcc commans in the makefiles
07:40<lupine_85>the linker makes libraries, not gcc
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07:41<sasha>gcc --shared -o xxx.dll input.cpp -L./Mylibs -lmylib.dll is a gcc commmand no , i wold like to retrieve something like this from a makefile , is it ossible ?
07:42<azeem>sasha: .a libraries are just a set of .o files put together to an ar archive with ar
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07:42<azeem>sasha: gcc passes this on to the linker
07:42<azeem>and --shared is not .a anyway
07:42<lupine_85>.so ftw
07:42<sasha>azeem : you are a king my friend thanks a lot
07:42<isuckatlinux>I just want dont want to install that new apache version from source
07:42<isuckatlinux>so i thought maybe i should give it a try
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07:42<isuckatlinux>but i have no idea what am i getting into
07:43<azeem>we neither
07:43<sasha>azeem : ok now i nderstand beter the comportement of ida .. on .a files , thanks a lot ......
07:43<jm_>keep in mind you need -fPIC for shared libs, but not for .a ones, at least on some architectures
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07:44<lupine_85>putting -fPIC in makes x986_64 compilation happy
07:45<niru>what does /hd-media mean here
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07:45<azeem>niru: it's a directory I assume
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07:46<niru>azeem, see section B.2.1
07:46<niru>usb bootable
07:46<sasha>thanks everybody here you helped me a lot see yu
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07:47<azeem>niru: I assume the usb sticks gets mounted on /hd-media, but I'm not sure
07:47<azeem>you would have to check the source
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07:47<azeem>or just try it out
07:47<niru>azeem, I have to give the path of preseed file
07:47<niru>but whatever path I gave it is not accepting
07:51<azeem>did you try the patch from the example?
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07:51<azeem>and are you actually using a USB stick?
07:55<niru>azeem, yes
07:55<niru>azeem, which patch
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07:56<azeem>niru: path, sorry
07:56<niru>azeem, I have mounted usb in /media/cdrom0
07:57<azeem>and where did you put the pressed config?
07:57<niru>so I copied preseed.cfg to /media/cdrom0/
07:57<niru>and syslinux.cfg is also there
07:57<niru>initrd.gz and vmlinuz
07:58<niru>too are available there
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07:59<azeem>niru: and what boot param do you use?
07:59<niru>azeem, in syslinux.cfg i gave
07:59<niru>default vmlinuz
07:59<niru>append initrd=initrd.gz file=preseed.cfg
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08:00<azeem>niru: I thought those boot params where supposed to go at the d-i prompt, not the kernel command line
08:00<azeem>if there is any d-i prompt
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08:01<niru>azeem, no d-i prompt
08:01<azeem>so what do you get
08:01<azeem>it's not booting?
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08:01<niru>azeem, its booting
08:01<azeem>and then?
08:01<niru>and even installing the whole os
08:02<azeem>ok, it's supposed to go on the kernel command-line sorry
08:02<niru>azeem, what is happening is when I add a preseed file for preconfiguration at the mid of installation while retriving the preseed file it shows the preconfiguration file could not be retrieved from file:///preseed.cfg
08:02<azeem>niru: however, the above URL doesn't talk about "file=preseed.cfg", it talks about "preseed/file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg"
08:02<azeem>so I was wondering whether you actually tried that
08:03<niru>azeem, at the bottom of those line scheck its written either use preseed or file
08:03<niru>and I am not use how to give the preseed.cfg
08:04<azeem>still, did you try "/hdmedia/preseed.cfg" rather than "preseed.cfg"?
08:04<niru>azeem, tried
08:04<niru>and it too did not qork
08:04<niru>do you want me to keep the preseed file in hd-media folder?
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08:05<azeem>did you check whether there's a /hdmedia directory during d-i installation from usb stick?
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08:05<niru>azeem, no no such directory
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08:05<azeem>no idea then
08:06<azeem>niru: maybe ask in #debian-boot
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08:06<azeem>or make sure you assembled your usb stick correclty
08:07<Zathras>hi. On Debian Etch (latest release, apt-get updated again today) I have a strange issue since yesterday. I issued a "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
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08:07<Zathras>when I reboot this value is not remembered. Also since that time ip-v4 acts wierd
08:07<azeem>/proc isn't persistent I think
08:08<Zathras>eth0 does not come up automatically and is slow in general
08:08<Zathras>pptp does no longer work either
08:08<Zathras>before that everything was ok
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08:09<Zathras>nic is a: Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 74)
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08:11<Zathras>kernel: 2.6.18-5-486
08:12<lupine_85>/proc isn't persistent; if you want ipv4 forwarding to be persistent, you need to change /etc/sysctl.conf
08:12<gsimmons>Zathras: Edit /etc/sysctl.conf, uncomment the relevant line to enable IPv4 packet forwarding (used to be defined in /etc/network/options, which is deprecated). That will persist.
08:12<lupine_85>snap :p
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08:13<Zathras>k. thanks gsimmons
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08:14<Zathras>yet my issue with eth0 not comming up automitically after my "echo 1 > " and poor performance and pptp errors will not be fixed by this I presume
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08:21<samoth13>elo can you tell me if in stunnel log i can see the connection?
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08:30<Snapser>is there any good RPG games for Debian?
08:30<Zathras>just rebooted. eth0 ipv6 comes up. ipv4 does not. ifup eth0 takes ages. before and after that ip_forward=0 instead of 1
08:31<Zathras>so still troubles. Any ideas pelase?
08:31<Snapser>sounds painful Zathras~
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08:32<gsimmons>Zathras: Use mii-tool to verify the negotiated link speed is what you're expecting. I've previously had minor issues with that chipset.
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08:37<Zathras>gsimmons, looks ok at first glance :-(
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08:38<sarthor>What to do if my IP is dynamic, i want to deal with multiple isps on one linux router, Here is the howto that confusing me.
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08:39<gsimmons>Zathras: Try "mii-tool -R -r eth0", then "ifup eth0". See if the interface is brought up any faster.
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08:40<Zathras>gnome networkmanager applet also tells me I have no network (which is not true), while it did report ok previously
08:41<Zathras>it's the same machine which I currently use to chat, so I man be kicked offline
08:42<Zathras>that's a lot faster
08:43<gsimmons>Zathras: Yep, I've had to use that as a pre-up command. Why? I'm not exactly sure. In any case, you can add that to your /etc/network/interfaces file.
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08:44<Snapser>I'm having troubles with that also
08:44<azeem>Zathras: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say?
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08:44<Snapser>It doesn't store passwords, or even have an option anywhere to store it
08:44<Snapser>If the wireless connection drops, I have to re-enter the WPA key
08:44<azeem>nm-applet stores them in gnome-keyring
08:44<Zathras>libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2
08:45<Snapser>It doesn't for me~ :(
08:45<Zathras>pptp is working now too
08:45<azeem>if you don't have that, I guess you will have to do that
08:45<azeem>Zathras: ok
08:45<Snapser>I do have it~
08:45<Zathras>gnome applet still does not
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08:45<Zathras>but I do not mind that
08:45<azeem>maybe you could restart d-bus
08:45<Zathras>ip_forwrd is still 0
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08:47<Snapser>azeem, I do have gnome-keyring :S
08:48<gsimmons>Zathras: What about /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/default/forwarding ?
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08:48<Zathras>that has value 1
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08:48<gsimmons>Zathras: Then it's enabled, as per the comment within /etc/sysctl.conf.
08:50<Zathras>besides the gnome-applet one issue remains (the reason why I all started with the ip_forward)
08:50<Snapser>is na-applet suppose to be run using sudo, or is there another way to set it up?
08:50<Zathras>I am running vmware-server on this machine and want to use the ppp0 (pptp) connection of the host from the guest OS
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08:51<Zathras>in vmware eth0 is bridged
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09:01[~]Snapser cries
09:01<Snapser>the system locked up
09:01<Snapser>CTL ALT BACKSPACE didn't work~
09:01<petemc>ctl alt f1 ?
09:01<petemc>you have ssh access?
09:01<petemc>shit one
09:02<Snapser>next time I'll ping this computer
09:02<petemc>install ssh
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09:03<Snapser>good idea~
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09:08<Snapser>why doesn't nm-applet (Network Manager Applet, for Gnome) store the keys?
09:08<john>morning folks
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09:12<samoth13>can you tel me if i can log my connection with stunnel?
09:13<samoth13>for be sure that i used my tunneling
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09:19<sasha>azeem : loks like .a is not .o object under tar format but it is static libraties
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09:19<azeem>sasha: I didn't say tar I said ar
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09:19<lupine_85>ar ftwtf
09:19<azeem>and sure, .a is static library, I assumed that as a given
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09:20<sasha>ok sorry i just started my first progg under linux a few days ago, do you know the syntax to build dynamic libs with gcc
09:21<azeem>sasha: this isn't really on topic here; I suggest you read a book about Unix programming
09:22<azeem>or the autobook
09:22<sasha>ok sure
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09:22<azeem>it's a Debian package as well I think
09:22<azeem>!info autobook
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09:24<dpkg>autobook: (GNU Autoconf, Automake and Libtool Book), section non-free/doc, is optional. Version: 1.4.4-unofficial-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2424 kB, Installed size: 6340 kB
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09:39<billy5>hi everbody! is there a good ide for gnome?
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09:40<JasonS>ok im not fully awake yet billy5 so ide for gnome?
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09:41<billy5>JasonS: well, i'm looking for an integrated development environment (C/C++) which is GTK-based
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09:45<maxamillion>billy5: check glade
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09:45<dalibor>hi, i'm trying to use apt-cross to install the alpha zlib package so that i can cross compile kaffe, but it fails with this error message
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09:46<dalibor>E: Could not open file /home/topic/.dpkg-cross/testing/lists/ - open (2 No such file or directory)
09:46<dalibor>ERROR: apt-cross is unable to locate package: 'zlib1g-dev'
09:46<billy5>maxamillion: will try it, thx
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09:46<dalibor>there is no such file in that directory, of course.
09:46<dalibor>what am I missing?
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09:48<witte>dalibor: never used apt-cross, but is there something like apt-cross update?
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09:48<witte>dalibor: to be honest, I never heard of apt-cross
09:49<witte>dalibor: but the error looks like one when you didn't run apt-get update...
09:49<dalibor>yeah, there is apt-cross update, I've done that a handful times, without getting it to create the file it complains about.
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09:51<witte>dalibor: is there a deb-src line in your sources.list?.
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09:54<dalibor>yes, deb-src lenny main contrib non-free
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09:56<witte>dalibor: do you have ~/.dpkg-cross -> ~/dpkg-cross/testing/ -> ~/.dpkg-cross/testing/lists
09:56<witte>dalibor: and you didn't use sudo to do the apt-cross update (because then you should look in /root/.dpkg-cross/...
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09:58<dalibor> ~/.dpkg-cross/testing/lists is there
09:58<dpkg>dalibor: okay
09:58<dalibor>apt-cross updated as my regular self. ;)
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10:18<dalibor>witte: thanks, I filed a bug report. bye!
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11:41<fa2>ive set up debian
11:41<fa2>but im having some troubles with samba
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11:41<fa2>ive made specific users for it wit password
11:41<fa2>so i can browse the disk with my windows machine
11:41<fa2>but i cant write or create
11:42<fa2>ive tried alot of the tuts via google with the smb.conf file but noe worked
11:42<fa2>maybe someone has an idea why i cant write on the disk?
11:43<alaya>fa2: writable = yes ???
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11:45<fa2>alaya xs denied
11:47<fa2>i fixed it!!!!!!!!!
11:47<fa2>by adding line "read only = no"
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11:53<posix>anybody know of a good CLI email client with tagging?
11:54<posix>I'm not certain, but I don't think mutt has such a facility
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11:56<stroyan>posix: That depends on what _you_ mean by "tagging". Mutt does have something it calls taggings.
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11:59<fxiny>tagging ? i'm happy with mutt scores
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12:01<fxiny>for instance , somthing like : score '~f' 500 "tags" enough for me
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12:03<fxiny>but the big game is score s : score '~s xxx nnn
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12:09<mickwolfram>ciao a tutti
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12:16<fgh_>is there a codecpackage where i can find avisynth.dll ?
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12:17<zangetsu>hi , can you help me please..
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12:17<JasonS>!tell zangetsu about ask
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12:18<zangetsu>when write in console ifconfig eth1 up
12:18<zangetsu>error: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No existe el fichero o el directorio
12:20<zangetsu>i need up wirelles
12:20<fxiny>fgh: don't know about avisynth.dll , w32codecs installs avizlib and avimszh dll
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12:25<zulu>hi, what soft to use for synching from everywhere all my personal contacts? LDAP server? (L<- lightweigth?)
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12:28<pointone>Hi all
12:28<pointone>I was wondering if anyone knew how I might disable the ctrl+alt+f* keys for switching terminals
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12:34<JasonS>with what B10H424RD?
12:34<B10H424RD>a nothing
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12:35<B10H424RD>i am testing my system and some scripts..^^
12:35<JasonS>no need to test them here is there?
12:35<noflash>pointone, ?
12:36<B10H424RD>I never used IRC beforce sry^^
12:36[~]fxiny power on his wow signal power array detector , just in case ...
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12:39<pointone>noflash: That doesn't really explain anything about disabling the keys
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12:39<noflash>pointone, sorry maybe would be more helpful ;)
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12:40<pointone>noflash: Already spent a few hours on Google to no avail :(
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12:40<noflash>pointone, why do you want to do this?
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12:41<pointone>noflash: I'm developing a Debian-based kiosk system and have already disabled all the VTs--the user boots straight into an X session
12:41<pointone>noflash: But still, pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 drops to a command-line screen (no terminal access, but it shows error output and whatnot)
12:42<noflash>pointone, does the debian kiosk stuff have the code you need?
12:42<pointone>noflash: I'd like for this not to be possible at all--so the user is stuck in X
12:42<pointone>noflash: Code as in?
12:42<dkr>pointone: edit your xorg.conf there is an option to disable those keystrokes
12:42<dkr>Option "DontVTSwitch"
12:43<kevinl>thats is section serverflags
12:43<pointone>dkr: Okay, yes... I found some mention of that on Google... problem here is the kiosk autogenerates xorg.conf (it's being deployed on multiple systems) so I can't pre-edit the xorg.conf
12:43<dkr>so write a script that modifies. that's what I did. :)
12:43<kevinl>pointone, a debian-live kiosk ?
12:43<pointone>kevinl: Yes
12:43<kevinl>pointone, can you edit the filesystem?
12:44<kevinl>i use /etc/init.d/
12:44<kevinl>for hacks
12:44<kevinl>such as using sed/awk to edit configuration files that were previously autogenerated by casper/live
12:44<pointone>kevinl: Good idea... I'll give that a shot
12:44<kevinl>debian-live does its configs very early in the boot
12:44<kevinl> runs late
12:44<kevinl>so you can change it back
12:44<kevinl>or undo things
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12:44<kevinl>if you want to stop it from happenign in the first place
12:45<kevinl>edit the scripts in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper
12:45<kevinl>and update-initramfs -u
12:45<kevinl>ya, that
12:45<kevinl>now panthera is going to bitch me out for using :0
12:45<pointone>kevinl: Stop what from happening in the first place?
12:45<kevinl>whatever configuration you do not like
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12:48<n3x>Im having major troubles recompiling a kernel, would anyone mind helping me ? or walking me through it please ? ive read numerous tutorials and none of them work
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12:52<kevinl>n3x, i havent done it for a while but if you have a specific problem i might be able to answer?
12:53<kevinl>first of all, why are you trying to recompile?
12:53<n3x>may i pm you?
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12:58<dsr>When using EXA and fvwm, I don't see any fonts (anti-aliased) ..(only the xterm fixed-width fonts work) ..I am on sid and am using the xorg-intel-driver
12:58<dsr>any suggestions..
12:59<Eulex>checked the bts?
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12:59<gabrix_>hello everyone
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13:00<dsr>my xorg.conf is
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13:00<dsr>Eulex: not yet. let me quickly do that
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13:20<n3x>do i need to have a initrd-enabled kernel when i recompile the default one installed ?
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13:21<n3x>!about initrd
13:23<zulu>hi, I'm tryin to add a root to my ldap server: I have: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)
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13:23<zulu>I'm supporsed to create an ldif format file utf8 encoded, the question is? how to make an utf8 encoded text file (in xemacs if you know)
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13:43<zulu>n3x thx for the link, but no success, I verified the conf file but no tab or whatever (this file was generated by debian installer)
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13:46<kerneld>Anyone have a utility that parses the available updates - tying in DSA - release date
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13:47<alaya>kerneld: debian-security mailing list + some creative grepping?
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13:52<kerneld>alaya: I was hoping to avoid creative grepping
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13:52<lupine_85>creative grepping solves all problems
13:53<kerneld>apt-show-versions -u -b | sed s#/[a-z]*##| while read package; do apt-cache show $package; done | more
13:53<kerneld>that shows a lot of info
13:53<alaya>i get the debian-security-announce announcements which have DSA numbers but no dates
13:53<kerneld>I could probably use dotty to make a pretty picture
13:54<kerneld>apt-cache showpkg $package # shows dates
13:56<alaya>it does?
13:57<kerneld>I thoight it did- sorry
13:57<kerneld>would need to unpack and snoop the changelog?
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13:59<kerneld>I woulda though someone would have packaged a tool like that to audit pending updates and provide a brief summary view of whats missing.
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14:01<kerneld>Looks promissing. Grr.. sorry I missed that.
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14:07<kerneld>Hmmm doesn't show DSAs - well maybe cause I am up to date :O
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14:15<sasha>hi i m trying to do a netinstall on a new computer , i have already had some difficulties to le debian recognize my cdrom and i had to start with the generic;generic_all_ide=1, afer some steps the installation blocks at 0% while 'installing the base system/retrieving packages' any idea ?
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14:22<alaya>sasha: maybe try the debian-installer mailing list?
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14:52<Blacker47>helo, i have problems with security update of ktorrent package
14:52<adriel> what is nsme
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14:53<Blacker47>the update don't install and there seems to be wrong version for stable:
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14:57<frank>wrong version? etch/main 2.0.3+dfsg1-2.2 etch/updates/main 2.0.3+dfsg1-2etch1
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14:59<Blacker47>i have the 1-2.2 installed and it is in the packet list on, but version in security-announce say about 1-2etch1
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14:59<Blacker47>and apt-get update don't show a upgradeable ktorrent
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15:00<yosef>I have ktorrent minimized in the notification area, if the notification area is not there, how can I maximize the program?
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15:05<frank>Blacker47: maybe as workaround specify the version and file a bugreport?
15:06<aycko>can i install debian i386 on intel core 2 duo?
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15:07<frank>aycko: why not?
15:07<aycko>frank: cause its another architecture. i am not sure if its possible.
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15:08<aycko>if it work i would be happy.
15:08<Blacker47>frank, my hope was to find here some security admins
15:08<Blacker47>intel core2duo is i386 compatible
15:08<frank>Blacker47: sorry, i cannot help you then
15:08<aycko>cool, i like that
15:09<Blacker47>is etch not i486 btw?
15:09<aycko>but then i am limited to 4 gb ram i guess.
15:09<aycko>no etch is i386
15:10<frank>most packages are build 486
15:10<Blacker47>better to say x86 :-)
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15:10<aycko>yeah ;)
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15:12<dr_gogeta86>ciao a tutti
15:12<dr_gogeta86>hi to all
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15:17<mikkelorz>hey :] lspci detects both my NICs.. names and everything.. but when i plug in my eth1 i cant find it in ifconfig for some reason.. what did i do wrong ?:(
15:18<pumpkin0>mikkelorz: ifconfig eth1 up ?
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15:19<mikkelorz>pumpkin0: thanks you just saved the day =D
15:19<pumpkin0>mikkelorz: ifocnfig showing it does not mean it really, really works. test it first...
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15:21<mikkelorz>pumpkin0: will do.. but now its on the screen at least :)
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15:28<noflash> /ignore -replies Inty
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15:33<moniz>hi all
15:33<moniz>can help me please?
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15:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:34<moniz>iam new at unix system
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15:34<moniz>i try to install a game at my debian, i rent the server put the problem are, how i upload the game?
15:35<_chealer>Blacker47: you won't find Debian security team staff here. this is a support channel.
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15:36<pumpkin0>moniz: you run windows at home ?
15:37<rosminet>good morning/evening
15:38<pumpkin0>moniz: before you upload several MB for nothing: do you have a .deb-file or a .gz.tar ?
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15:39<moniz>i have .run
15:39<moniz>nothing more
15:39<pumpkin0>moniz: Did you download it from a website ?
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15:40<sasha>hi, a small question , is the cd 1 from debian enough to install a small system with gmd and gnome
15:40<pumpkin0>moniz: ssh into the server (ssh username@<your-IP>) and run "wget".
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15:42<_chealer>sasha: gdm and part of GNOME, yes.
15:42<sasha>ok thanks a lot
15:42<pumpkin0>moniz: alternative: google for putty, get the pscp-tool. Put it into c:\. Put the .run into c:\. start a cmd and run "c:\pscp c:\your-run-file username@<your-server-IP>:.".
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15:43<rosminet>will you give me a link to a tutorial to install and configure a mail system : mta like exim or postfix and an imap server ?
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15:44<moniz>the problem are that, i rent the server and i want to upload/install the game in to the server. i dont know even what hhd letter they put the debian
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15:46<pumpkin0>moniz: there are no drive letters in unix. Can you ssh into the server ?
15:46<lupine_85>hhd letter?
15:46<lupine_85>protip: sftp ftw
15:47<moniz>iam using putty, can i log in and do the .run link?
15:48<lupine_85>you can use the 'wget' command to download the .run from an internet site (wget URL)
15:48<lupine_85>then chmod +x <filename> to make it executable, and './filename' to run it
15:49<pumpkin0>moniz: but put quotes (") around the URL. the letter & in URL is no good on console.
15:49<moniz>please old on, iam new at unix code. i appreciate alot the support.
15:49<moniz>ok. step by step please
15:49<moniz>1- i log in
15:50<pumpkin0>2- wget "URL-to-the-run-file"
15:50<moniz>2- my cosole says CTA001:~#
15:50<moniz>NOW WHAT
15:51<pumpkin0>3- wget "URL-to-the-run-file"
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15:51<moniz>the url are
15:51<moniz>is that correct?
15:52<pumpkin0>moniz: it looks good, but i'm not testing that...
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15:52<moniz>i have to right in cosole all the link?
15:52<moniz>how can i paste it?
15:52<lupine_85>in putty, right-click to paste from teh clipboard
15:53<lupine_85>(incredibly annoying feature, that)
15:53<moniz>Connecting to connected.
15:53<moniz>HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Access Forbidden
15:53<moniz>23:57:07 ERROR 403: Access Forbidden.
15:53<lupine_85>well, nothing to be done about that. Find a mirror that lets you download from them
15:53<moniz>ok old on please. i will try another
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16:00<moniz>ok i thing its done
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16:00<moniz>00:04:10 (3.43 MB/s) - `' saved [270588258]
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16:00<moniz>now how can install it?
16:00<pumpkin0>moniz: chmod +x file-you-downloaded.
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16:01<moniz>whats the name?
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16:01<pumpkin0>moniz: afterwards: "./file-you-downloaded" (note: installing .run-things is not recommaned. There is no uninstall)
16:01<lupine_85>if you start typing it, and hit tab, you'll have some happiness
16:02<lupine_85>game serv0rs seem to be getting popular...
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16:03<moniz>.run is not recommended, so how to install the game?
16:03<lupine_85>moniz: in this case, .run is the only choice you have
16:03<lupine_85>so './'
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16:04<pumpkin0>moniz: i just wanted to warn you about 1. running a .run installer and 2. doing it as root. It is like clicking on every spam-mail you get.
16:05<moniz>ohh. thanks for the advice.
16:05<moniz>but i dont have any choice the game its the only in this format i can get
16:06<moniz>ok done
16:06<moniz>chmod +x ´./`
16:07<pumpkin0>now ./ (w/o the chmod)
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16:07<E0x>Wow the quake wars port of linux ?
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16:07<pumpkin0>moniz: without
16:07<lupine_85>E0x: T:CE is better :)
16:07<E0x>T:CE ?
16:08<lupine_85>It's a bit like rainbow six. same engine and everything as ET though
16:08<E0x>url please
16:09<E0x>but the linux version of ETQW is already out ?
16:09<moniz>so what i choice? (w/o the chmod)
16:09<moniz>i type all of this?
16:09<lupine_85>well, yes
16:09<moniz>until now i have
16:09<moniz>> ./
16:09<moniz>> ./
16:10<lupine_85>it should have run the program for you, then
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16:10<moniz>i have to put this right? (w/o the chmod)
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16:11<moniz>ok its only show the >
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16:13<moniz>so the game are installed?
16:13<lupine_85>the > usually indicates that you've left an open quote somewhere.... (so no)
16:14<lupine_85>after running a command, you should go back to the # prompt
16:14<lupine_85>[22:05] <moniz> chmod +x ´./` <-- what are these quote marks?
16:14<moniz>´ and ` right?
16:14<heretik>hi, on'Accueil, I'd like to change all the links/(page names) to french names but I think it may be a bit intrusive and I don't know if there is a special reason why they're named this way, do you think I can safely do it ?
16:15<lupine_85>those are two different quote marks
16:15<moniz>i only have the " and ´
16:15<lupine_85>you have `, ' and "
16:15<lupine_85>they all have different meanings
16:16<moniz>so what i use?
16:16<lupine_85>hit ctrl+c to get back to the # prompt
16:16<moniz>ok done
16:16<lupine_85>you have a # prompt?
16:16<moniz>yes its something like that
16:17<lupine_85>run: chmod +x - no quotes required
16:17<lupine_85>then run: ./
16:17<lupine_85>after each command, you should return to a # prompt
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16:18<moniz>when i try to type this run: chmod +x - no quotes required
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16:18<moniz>theerror appears
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16:19<moniz>-bash run
16:19<moniz>command not found
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16:19<E0x>moniz: try
16:19<moniz>----------------------> sorry for the newbie, first time working in unix systems <-----------------------
16:20<lupine_85>you don't type in the "run: "
16:20<E0x>"sh" ( without quote )
16:20<lupine_85>maybe... just maybe.... you should pop off and read a quick bash tutorial?
16:20<moniz>ok uncompress
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16:21<qwaz>Hi, I can't my onboard ALC889a sound processor to run. It works under Vista Ultimate (64-bit), but I cannot make work under Debian Lenny/Sid AMD64/X86-64. Any ideas where and how to proceed?
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16:21<moniz>CTA001:~# run: chmod +x - no quotes required
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16:21<moniz>-bash: run:: command not found
16:21<moniz>CTA001:~# sh
16:21<moniz>Verifying archive integrity... All good.
16:21<moniz>Uncompressing Enemy Territory 2.55...........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
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16:22<lupine_85>that's an awful lot of fal, right there
16:22<qbit>sure is
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16:23<lupine_85>qwaz: are there sound kernel modules loaded? lsmod |grep snd
16:23<moniz>sorry i was down.
16:23<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
16:23<moniz>kernel load?
16:23<moniz>how can i see that?
16:23<lupine_85>is your name qwaz?
16:24<qwaz>lupine_85: Which row would tell me?
16:24<moniz>./ line 143: 4127 Segmentation fault "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL
16:24<moniz>The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
16:25<moniz>how can i fix it?
16:25<lupine_85>qwaz: if there are any lines at all, that means sound drivers are present (probably)
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16:25<lupine_85>moniz: that's a programmer error
16:25<pumpkin0>moniz: on busy IRC-channels people prefix the msg with the name of the person they talk to. Only pay attention to lines starting with moniz.
16:25<lupine_85>or incompatibility
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16:25<moniz>See for troubleshooting
16:25<moniz>i will check
16:25<lupine_85>can you give the output of the command "uname -a" ?
16:26<moniz>whats that?
16:26<pumpkin0>moniz: in the windows world: you installed a windows Vista-only programm on a windows XP.
16:26<lupine_85>it's a command. It'll tell you what kernel version, etc you're running
16:26<lupine_85>you might be on a non-x86 system
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16:26<moniz>ok old on
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16:26<qwaz>lupine_85: Linux quad 2.6.22-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 29 13:54:41 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:27<lupine_85>qwaz: aplay -l will list sound cards in your system
16:27<lupine_85>well, it's x86... mostly
16:27<moniz>invalid option
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16:28<pumpkin0>moniz: did you see a amd64 version of the gameserver ?
16:28<lupine_85>pumpkin0: they're both getting confused now...
16:28<lupine_85>we still have no idea what moniz is running
16:28<moniz>CTA001:~# uname -a?
16:28<moniz>uname: invalid option -- ?
16:28<moniz>Try `uname --help' for more information.
16:28<moniz>CTA001:~# uname --help
16:28<moniz>Usage: uname [OPTION]...
16:28<moniz>Print certain system information. With no OPTION, same as -s.
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16:28<pumpkin0>lupine_85: oh, sorry.
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16:28<lupine_85>oh, fer crying out loud
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16:28<qwaz>lupine_85: card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC882 Analog [ALC882 Analog]
16:29<moniz>any information to help you guys?
16:29<lupine_85>qwaz: cool. you have sound drivers then, so it could be a problem with the volume or the mixer
16:29<lupine_85>moniz: Do. Not. Paste. Into. The. Channel.
16:29<qbit>moniz, don't paste into the channel .. you will get kicked
16:29<pumpkin0>moniz: no ? at the end. Just "uname -a".
16:29<qwaz>lupine_85: But, it is apparently an Realtek ALC889a chip, typical for Intel P35 motherboards
16:29<moniz>so how i show u guys what i have? "server have"
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16:30<qbit>moniz, use pastebin...
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16:30<pumpkin0>moniz: pasting 1, and only ONE line is OK.
16:30<lupine_85>qwaz: and linux has found it - which is good. run alsamixer and make sure it's not muted or something silly like that :)
16:30<qbit>dpkg, tell moniz about pastebin
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16:30<elvis2>i still cant edit my drive to be read rite :( i need to reboot as it is as i broke it
16:30<moniz>pastebin = 1 per line
16:30<pumpkin0>elvis2: how did you break it ?
16:31<pumpkin0>moniz: uname -a
16:31<elvis2>i have the same drive mounted 2wice and one dont load but the other dis
16:31<qbit>moniz, no
16:31<qwaz>lupine_85: But some Alsa Mixer columns are "cancelled"... There is nothing to edit.
16:31<lupine_85>qwaz: that's normal. Master, PCM, and a few others are the important ones
16:32<moniz>so what can i do more?
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16:32<pumpkin0>elvis2: umount all and try again.
16:32<pumpkin0>moniz: uname -a
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16:32<moniz> uname: invalid option -- ?
16:32<lupine_85>qwaz: Also note that linux might be using different output channels (right now) to vista
16:32<lupine_85>Stop. Adding. ?
16:32<qwaz>Hmmm... Surround was active... For my 2D speakers?!
16:32<elvis2>pumpkin0, do you know how to make it read wright 3g dont work i might have wrong kernal
16:33<pumpkin0>elvis2: NTFS is a scary thing and i will not touch it.
16:33<moniz>Linux CTA001 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
16:33<moniz>everything is ok?
16:33<lupine_85>well, at least it's the correct architecture
16:34<lupine_85>yeah, except the segfault.
16:34<lupine_85>I can't help with that; nobody else can either, really
16:34<lupine_85>Because the program is doing something retarded
16:34<lupine_85>and it's not even a Free program
16:34<moniz>the game is frre
16:35<pumpkin0>moniz: the programmers made a misstake, ask them.
16:35<lupine_85>that's not the same as Free
16:35<elvis2>anyone know what kernal i need for fuse and how to check what one i have?
16:35<pumpkin0>moniz: Free = source code available. free = free to use.
16:35<lupine_85>if you want to learn all about debugging, then feel free to go for it, but given the difficulties you're having with a bash shell, I wouldn't if I were you
16:35<lupine_85>elvis2: all modern kernels support fuse
16:36<aycko>debugging sucks
16:36<elvis2>:/ i get that error though when i try force mount
16:36<moniz>but i have to start with something right?
16:36<lupine_85>It's kind of fun, as long as you've got the source code so you can /fix/ the problem once you've found it
16:36<pumpkin0>elvis2: "modprobe fuse". Now your kernel supports it.
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16:36<lupine_85>moniz: report it to the developers and leave it at that, is my advicwe
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16:37<aycko>moniz: dont start programming with debugging. thats the worst thing to do.
16:37<qwaz>lupine_85: Ha!!! The sound was there all the time!!! I just had had the volume turned down, like you suggested... Thanks!!!
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16:37<lupine_85>it's like learning to cook by examining scatalogical samples
16:37<lupine_85>qwaz: that catches /so/ many people, you wouldn't believe it
16:37<aycko>moniz: take an easy script language which restrikts you really hard. with typesafety and stuff.
16:37<lupine_85>moniz: I'm not even kidding
16:38<lupine_85>that's /exactly/ what it's like
16:38<qwaz>lupine_85: Cheers, and thanks again. Bye!
16:38<lupine_85>except, perhaps, it smells less
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16:39<moniz>conclusion, with you guys support, what i did today was?
16:39<moniz>i download to the server, unzip and?
16:39<moniz>nothing more?
16:40<lupine_85>you ran the .run file, which ran "", which segfaulted on line 143
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16:40<lupine_85>Give the developers the error message you gave us: [22:24] <moniz> ./ line 143: 4127 Segmentation fault "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL
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16:41<elvis2>ok that is the problem i am aving with ntfs config tool and the force mount
16:41<moniz>lupine_85 ok i will
16:41<lupine_85>elvis2: force mounting sounds like a bad idea
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16:42<elvis2>it dont seem to work with force on non force :(
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16:42<lupine_85>did you follow the advice you were given by the program?
16:42<moniz>i wanna thank you guys for all the support. And remember my dear friends
16:42<moniz>In A World Without Walls & Fences..
16:42<moniz>Who Needs Windows and Gates?
16:42<elvis2>i am using a gui interface for ntfs config tools
16:43<moniz>best regards moniz
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16:50<piper>umount /media/xdxx now, etch & etch's kernel don't use UUID so you can change it to suit your needs
16:50<piper>mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxyyzz[etc] /media/xdxx
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16:52<elvis2>i think i have it mount :/ not using that but chmod says -R is not a command :(
16:52<piper>elvis2: sorry been a long time since i used a non UUID kernel
16:52<elvis2>that is ok i not tryed that yet
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16:52<elvis2>got to go figure out chmod cause it dont like chmod -R elvis.elvis /media/external
16:53<lupine_85>you want chown, not chmod
16:53<Blacker47>piper, i can mount a fat32 and ntfs partition using uuid?
16:53<elvis2>new it was one of them
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16:54<elvis2>this may take a while as there is over 200 gig of files :)
16:54<elvis2>maybe now
16:54<piper>Blacker47: you need a UUID kernel, anything after 2.6.19/20 should do
16:54<piper>i myself use 2.6.23
16:54<elvis2>i did that and it broke it again :(
16:55<elvis2>sorry my fault i aint broke it it just didnt cange the owner
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16:56<piper>people should get used to UUID, thats the way it's going ;)
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16:56<lupine_85>uuid ftl
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16:57<Blacker47>piper, with lvm you don't need any uuid
16:57<elvis2> /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxyyzz[etc] <<<< do i type that exactly or do i change that to sda1?
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16:57<Blacker47>i have etch. and label seems also not to be able with non-ext3 partitions :-(
16:57<lupine_85>Blacker47: not entirely true. LVM uses UUIDs to identify PVs
16:58<piper>elvis2: that part you have to change, not sure at the moment to what, i am not used to stable
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16:58<piper>lupine_85: yep ;)
16:58<Blacker47>lupine_85, but you don't need it any more to mount or to write it to fstab
16:58<elvis2>i have my drive (the one it is installed on to sda1)
16:58<lupine_85>not for LVs. mp
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16:58<lupine_85>/dev/mapper/* ftw
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16:59<piper>fstab has to match the output of ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
16:59<elvis2>i still learning here lol
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16:59<lupine_85>piper: no... no it doesn't
16:59<piper>lupine_85: try booting if it don't match
16:59<lupine_85>I do, every time I boot up
16:59<Blacker47>piper, not for LVM
16:59<lupine_85>(which isn't often :) )
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17:00<piper>ok wqasn't talking lvm
17:00<elvis2>ok i have a problem
17:00<lupine_85>you can use standard device files, too
17:00<piper>i have no need for lvm
17:00<elvis2>Failed to access '/dev/disk/by-uuid/sda1': No such file or directory
17:00<piper>elvis2: you can't use uuid
17:01<Blacker47>-sda1 + real-uuid?
17:01<elvis2>by-uuid worked with tab
17:01<Blacker47>elvis2, sie what in with "ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/"
17:02<elvis2>numbers and letters
17:02<piper>just don't paste the output here
17:02<Blacker47>the UUIDs
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17:02<elvis2>by-id by-path are also other options i have
17:03<Blacker47>you need to know the UUID of a partition you want use
17:03<elvis2>ok do i nano those files?
17:04<lupine_85>not if you have any sanity, no
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17:04<lupine_85>they're symlinks to /dev/you-device-files
17:04<piper>ntfs will be alot shorter 4570-56CC -> ../../sda11 compared to ext3/reiser 33cc05a8-334f-4bac-b3b9-c3ec91964c76 -> ../../sda5
17:04<elvis2>64F64A9BF64A6D7C 7d5f300f-0a4f-4c36-84bf-a114eccdab7e
17:04<elvis2>is what is in there
17:04<piper>same with vfat
17:05<elvis2>i have alot of usb dev
17:05<Blacker47>why want elvis2 use uuid?
17:06<Blacker47>for the first he could use /dev/sdxy
17:07<elvis2>i have sda 1 2 5 sdb 1
17:07<piper>i don't , i gave him a exaple to mount ntfs r/w and told him to change it to suit his needs meaning not uuid
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17:07<Blacker47>elvis2, don't know your partitions. i would get it out with a run of cfdisk /dev/sda (or sdb..)
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17:08<elvis2>my hard drive is mounted on sda i think as that is all that is in fstab
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17:08<elvis2>yeah primary boot is sda1
17:10<elvis2>so its mount -t /dev/sda1 /medea/external?
17:10<Blacker47>[23:54:11] <piper> Blacker47: you need a UUID kernel, anything after 2.6.19/20 should do <-- do i need a newer kernel for uuid with NTFS/FAT32 or just for 'ALL' uuid?
17:11<elvis2>sorry mount -t ntfs-3 /dev/sda1 /media/external
17:11<piper>Blacker47: well yes all,
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17:12<Blacker47>not sure, -t ntfs-3g would default mount with read-write
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17:12<piper>well we use it fine for sidux
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17:13<Blacker47>piper, i have 2.6.18-x (etch) and have uuid support. but i don't know, i can use it for ntfs/fat32 partitions
17:14<Blacker47>elvis2, you see in cfdisk that sda1 are ntfs formated?
17:14<piper>yes it is supported, but is it optimized for it
17:14<elvis2>Blacker47, if it wasnt linux wouldnt be on it?
17:14<elvis2>i am using a usb external hard drive
17:15<elvis2>sorry misread yur q
17:15<elvis2>i only have linux installed
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17:15<elvis2>the ntfs is usb 400 gig storage what cant be formated
17:15<piper>externel would be a little different i would think, do you have ntfs-3g installed
17:16<piper>elvis2: is that all you want is that drive formatted, i thought you had windows installed or something
17:16<Blacker47>NTFS signature is missing. << i think ntfs-3g are installed
17:16<ranix>motherboard and case manufacturers make installing front panel audio a pain in the ass
17:16<elvis2>no i dont want no drive formated
17:17<Blacker47>elvis2, what do you exactly want and what hard-drives are atached to your pc?
17:17<elvis2>all i want is my external read rit
17:17<piper>elvis2: why ntfs ?
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17:17<ranix>two negatives makes a positive
17:17<ranix>you don't want no drive formatted, therefore you do want a drive formatted
17:18<elvis2>i am using a laptop which has a sata hard drive which is fine as it only has linux. i have a external hard drive that i had when i was on windows that is NTFS and has all my files i cant loose.
17:18<elvis2>i need to be able to store more files on this drive
17:18<lupine_85>ranix: in that context, 'no' == 'any'
17:19<elvis2>i am scottish mind my englsih and we beat france today :)
17:19<Blacker47>elvis2, in this case i expect your external drive as /dev/sdb
17:19<Blacker47>but you have to get it out
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17:20<Blacker47>in cfdisk your see partitions on the drive and the fs-id
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17:20<Blacker47>if you find ntfs, then it is the right one
17:20<elvis2>ok u want me to cfdisk sdb?
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17:21<elvis2>ok that is the drive
17:21<Blacker47>then you can mount it
17:21<elvis2>label is [.] do i need to mount it again?
17:21<Blacker47>why again? i think it is not mounted
17:21<elvis2>it mounts in read only
17:23<elvis2>it keeps saying it is scheduled for check and need to boot into windws?
17:23<elvis2>can i not check it in linux?
17:23<piper>hmm, maybe mkdir -p /media/sdb1
17:23<piper>not sure
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17:23<lupine_85>fsck.ntfs ... does it exist?
17:23<Blacker47>elvis2, what linux/kernel/ntfs-3g are you using?
17:23<elvis2>i installed etch
17:24<elvis2>i dont have a clue what kernal
17:24<lupine_85>hmm. apt-file suggests not, so no
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17:24<Blacker47>etch have no ntfs-3g. it is droped after rc2
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17:24<elvis2>i installed it seperately u want the link to the site?
17:24<Blacker47>no link
17:24<elvis2>i installed the lib or what ever it was that was with it as it said to
17:25<Blacker47>the newer version needs probably a newer fuse. it is not extremly save to use ntfs-3g in this combination
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17:25<elvis2>my fuse was downloaded from the net
17:26<piper>do uname -a or cat /etc/debian-version that will show kernel
17:26<Blacker47>i have etch with ntfs-3g from rc2 installed, but i don't use it freqenty
17:26<piper>ntfs-3g is apt-getable
17:26<Blacker47>piper, not for stable
17:26<elvis2>Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 02:19:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
17:26<elvis2>it is in my list but i chose to download it
17:27<piper>ok, true, i do have to remember i haven't used stable since woody/sarge
17:27<Blacker47>elvis2, then you read the ntfs-3g doc too?
17:27<elvis2>i read google :)
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17:28<Blacker47>elvis2, and now.. how get you out that it mounts only readonly?
17:29<Blacker47>[00:21:52] <elvis2> it mounts in read only
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17:29<Blacker47>and why you want mount it read-write? is readonly not better, if you only wants the files?
17:29<elvis2>yes i plug it in afteer undoing fstab as i seem to muck it up adding ntfs-3g or using ntfs config tools
17:30<elvis2>Blacker47, i need to add new files
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17:31<Blacker47>elvis2> yes i plug it in afteer undoing fstab as i seem to muck it up adding ntfs-3g or using ntfs config tools <-- don't get it. just say, there the problem actualy exist
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17:32<Blacker47>runs now all as expected?
17:32<elvis2>if the mount is in fstab i add -3g which breaks it cause of that scan error. ntfs config breaks it because that scan thing
17:33<Blacker47> if the mount is in fstab <-- what?
17:34<elvis2>it is in fstab but its read only
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17:37<piper>maybe /media/sdb1 ntfs auto,users,exec,rw,dmask=0022,fmask=0133,nls=utf8 00
17:38<elvis2>ohh my dmask is normaly 022
17:39<piper>elvis2: did you read
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17:43<Blacker47>piper, maybe with ntfs-3g instead of ntfs :-)
17:43<elvis2>ok is mnt /media?
17:43<piper>Blacker47: yes, sorry ;)
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17:44<piper>does etch use media or they still use mnt, i am not sure
17:45<elvis2>i have cdrom in media?
17:46<piper>well cd will show up in media
17:46[~]piper should shut up, does not use etch (stable)
17:47<Myon>for manual mount points you can use whatever you like
17:47<Myon>pmount and hal (I think) will use /media
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17:48<piper>yep pmount-hal
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17:52<elvis2>ok what i will do is find a windows pc and check disk it?
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17:54<xayon>anyone knows what's wrong with's ftp?
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18:07<prahal_>hi I have a bunch of email stored in mh format (due to me forgetting the slash in procmail) . How can I "convert" them to maildir (move them to maildir/new ?)
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18:08<Myon>load the folder in mutt and save it in a different folder
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18:17<Xaelgrim>can anyone possibly help me with setting up a home network?
18:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
18:17<dpkg>This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together.
18:18<Xaelgrim>!ask networking
18:18<Myon>Xaelgrim: try English :)
18:18<EricB>you could weld a bunch of computers together
18:18<Xaelgrim>I am speaking english
18:18<EricB>but it wouldn't be practical
18:19<Myon>Xaelgrim: no you are hammering non-working commands into the bot
18:19<EricB>..unless of course you wanted to lift them all at the same time to clean or something
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18:19<Xaelgrim>well, sorry im a bit new to this
18:19<Myon>Xaelgrim: I mean you need to ask more concrete stuff so we have a chance to help you
18:19<alaya>Xaelgrim: /msg dpkg <topic>
18:20<Xaelgrim>!ask How can I network my computer to another?
18:20<themill>Xaelgrim: tell us what you are trying to do and what you have already tried.
18:20<lupine_85>if you have a decent router, setting up a home router is trivial
18:20<Xaelgrim>the computer im trying to connect to is windows xp pro workgroup name Qube2
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18:20<lupine_85>s/home router/home network/ lol
18:21<Myon>what's your current setup?
18:21<Xaelgrim>I dont know how to set this laptop onto that netwrk
18:21<lupine_85>so you want to directly connect two PCs without a router?
18:21<Xaelgrim>3 actually
18:21<Xaelgrim>through my router
18:21<Xaelgrim>a belkin wireless n1
18:21<Myon>well, then they are already connected
18:21<lupine_85>just plug them all in and enable DHCP
18:22<Myon>ask "ifconfig" for the ip
18:22<Xaelgrim>but I would like to be able to access the movies on my main windows based xp pc from my ubuntu laptop
18:22<lupine_85>well, you need some sort of fileserver on the Windows PC
18:23<themill>Xaelgrim: ubuntu laptops?
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18:24<Xaelgrim>i want to be able to get to a folder on m main pc
18:24<aycko>Xaelgrim: go search the web for samba ;)
18:24<themill>Xaelgrim: then you'll get *much* better help from the folks in #ubuntu than you will from #debian.
18:24<aycko>thats what you want
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18:25<alaya>Xaelgrim: use smbmount to mount it, other tools like nmblookup to locate shares
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18:25<alaya>you only need samba client to be able to mount win shares
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18:26<themill>or you can use smb://username@server/sharename in konqueror or nautilus
18:27<piper>smb4k works nice to and mounts windows shares
18:27<alaya>also can use standard mount command with smbfs for filesystem type ;-)
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18:29<Blizzaine>I was searching /list and found this channel..what is debian?
18:30<alaya>the best operating system in the world
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18:31<Blizzaine>I see
18:31<amphi>!tell Blizzaine about debian
18:32<Blizzaine>Well do most games work with it?
18:32<Blizzaine>cause im a gamer?
18:32<Blizzaine>oops *delete that question mark*
18:33<alaya>the Linux graphics system Xorg is capable of supporting direct rendering on most cards
18:34<Blizzaine>what makes this better than most op systems?
18:34<alaya>many popular commercial games have Linux ports, plus there are many free ones
18:34<themill>Blizzaine: this is a partial list of the free games that are included with debian:
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18:34<alaya>Blizzaine: freedom, openness, the philosophy that guides it, and on purely technical grounds...
18:35<prahal>Myon: thank you I figured out the remaining steps :-) It is great to have those dead boxes back in dovecot
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18:36<alaya>Blizzaine: people also run some non-Linux ported games under emulators like Wine (which is actually not a true emulator...)
18:36<Blizzaine>I dont really understand this..Do I install? im running on windows
18:36<themill>!tell Blizzaine about free software
18:37<themill>Blizzaine: you can get an installer for windows at
18:37<Myon>prahal: k cool
18:37<alaya>Blizzaine: its an OS. you install it just like any OS
18:37<alaya>Blizzaine: normally you'd download and install CD and go from there
18:37<alaya>... download an install CD ...
18:38<alaya>themill: i was trying to remember that address!
18:38<Blizzaine>Well If my family Knew this theyd be angry..they arnt real they say "why cant we just run on windows!?" and ill tell them why and thell say "Well too bad we like windows just fine!"
18:39<themill>Blizzaine: you can try out linux with a live-cd -- that's a cd that you burn and then reboot the pc using it. It lets you play with it without installing things.
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18:39<Blizzaine>I might try
18:39<alaya>Blizzaine: you can set up a dual-boot on your computer so you can keep Windows and have a separate Linux partition
18:40<themill>Blizzaine: there are strong philosophical reasons for running linux as well as reasons of cost (it's free too) and also technical reasons to do with the underlying system and the way it is written.
18:40<Blizzaine>Im really not interested..I was just scrooling trough the channels
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18:40<Blizzaine>Sorry Gota go bye
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18:46<cire>I'd like to make my computer beep whenever there's output on the screen - you know, the movia-alike-beeps. Is there a package or do you know a program which does this? (I know it is ... useless)
18:48<themill>cire: konsole has a beep on activity/beep on silence option.
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18:48<litage|w>would someone mind explaining to me what rsync's --blocking-io arg does? i've read its description in the manpage, but unfortunately don't fully understand the implications
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18:53<alaya>input/output that is blocking??
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18:54<litage|w>alaya: hrm, maybe i need a better understanding of what "blocking i/o" means..
18:56<lupine_85>it means that if you do an fread() or fwrite() call, it won't return until the data has been read/written
18:56<lupine_85>as opposed to non-blocking IO, where the call returns (mostly) immediately, and the data is read/written asynchronously
18:57<NeXX>blocking is better then?
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18:57<lupine_85>the most important aspect of that from the point of rsync, I guess, is that there's less chance of data being lost due to power failures, etc. Although I'm pretty sure the difference is minimal
18:57<lupine_85>blocking is slower
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18:57<NeXX>but more accuret
18:58<lupine_85>just as accurate
18:58<NeXX>what if there is a fail?
18:58<NeXX>or an error?
18:58<lupine_85>then non-blocking IO gives you a slightly (very slightly) higher chance of losing data
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18:59<lupine_85>you have to decide for yourself which tradeoff you prefer, I suppose
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18:59<NeXX>is non-blocking slightly faster or much faster?
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18:59<lupine_85>it depends
18:59<litage|w>pretty much every time my daily rsync script runs to update my debian mirror, this error occurs: rsync: read error: Connection reset by peer (104)
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19:00<lupine_85>you should also note that sometimes, blocking IO isn't actually blocking at all
19:00<litage|w>i'm wondering if using --blocking-io will help prevent that error..
19:00<lupine_85>litage|w: no... that's something different
19:00<litage|w>the full error is here:
19:00<lupine_85>the remote host drops the connection for some reason
19:01<lupine_85>those numbers are codes that (hopefully) would tell you why
19:01<lupine_85>good luck with it, anyway. Bedtiem for me
19:02<litage|w>thanks lupine_85
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19:18<neglegentis>Hi! mkisofs aborts with the error: Incorrtect encoded string (RCL) encountered.Possibly creating an invalid Joliet extension. What is wrong?
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19:24<esaym>is there a way to change my email address for the debian mailing list?
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19:26<Xenguy>esaym: there should be a link to 'mailing lists' on the main web site IIRC
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19:27<Xenguy>esaym: I don't remember the specific way now
19:29<esaym>I can't find anything. Is there even a way? I can't remember what all I am ever subcribed to
19:29<elvis2>anyway to play games designed for windows in linux?
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19:34<neglegentis>the way to play counterstrike in linux ist well documentaded. google for it!
19:34<elvis2>i dont like that game i ment like C&c
19:34<neglegentis>anyhow, the way is the aim ;)
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19:39<manphiz>what's debtorrent?
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19:40<maddog>can n e 1 help me with an issue i have been having with my laptop?
19:40<Guest162>i dont know
19:40<Guest162>whats the problem
19:41<maddog>my laptop sort of hangs when i putt the power cable out
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19:42<Snapser>what Desktop Environment do you use?
19:43<Snapser>can you ping the computer when it hangs?
19:43<Snapser>(From another)
19:43<maddog>if you want more details, the keyboard stops working, i cant open any new apps, but the old ones are still functional, and i cant shut down, yes i can ping it still
19:43<Guest162>can somebody help me? i am using kubuntu! now i want to test knoppix. how to install nvidia driver under knoppix??? in kubu:"apt-get install nvidia-glx-new"
19:44<chealer>Guest162: not here
19:44<maddog>but the touchpad still works
19:44<maddog>thats what i thought
19:45<maddog>it has never done it in *buntu
19:45<Snapser>try stopping hal
19:45<Snapser>then unplug the power
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19:45<Snapser>/etc/init.d/hal stop
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19:46<maddog>i tryed that already, and it did the same thing
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19:46<Snapser>It's good to add personality to spelling
19:46<maddog>lol yeah, i would ell you the condition i got, but i cant spell dyslexic
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19:48<maddog>im thinking its an acpi issue of some sort, but there is nothing in any logs to say what it does, there is nothin odd in there at all
19:48<Snapser>evil power~
19:49<maddog>i'll get a longer cable then lol
19:50<maddog>then i never have to unplug it, if i get a 200m cable it will reach to the end of the garden
19:50<Snapser>so you checked the relevant logs in /var/logs?
19:51<maddog>yep, in the logs there is nothing, they carry on as normal /var/log/messages carrys on with its --mark--
19:52<Snapser>if you're not inside gnome, does it happen?
19:53<Snapser>logout, goto a terminal, stop GDM, then try unplugging
19:53<maddog>not tried it, but i dont like having 2 hold the power switch in to shut it down, it already killed mysql once
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19:54<Snapser>mysql ftw~ ;)
19:54<Snapser>stop mysql first
19:54<maddog>ftw? what does that mean???
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19:54<Snapser>for the win
19:55<maddog>oh! that makes everything clearer now lol!
19:55<Snapser>also see
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19:55<maddog>oh did i mention, it dont do it every time?
19:56<Snapser>you do have a chat buffer :P no~
19:56<maddog>lol, i asked in so many different chat rooms i cant remember! and its almost 2am
19:57<Snapser>as I said, try it while X isn't running
19:58<maddog>ok, i'll give it a go now, i might be back very soon, but then again i might have to fun fsck a few time first!
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20:04<maddog>hmmm, things are getting stranger by the miniute
20:05<Snapser>what happenned?
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20:05<maddog>the power cable, np outside x, however, the wifi card came out of the usb, and it froze again
20:06<maddog>so, booted to X pulled the wifi again same symptoms as the power cable issue before
20:06<Snapser>so the wifi-card freezes outside of X?
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20:07<maddog>i think its the wifi card not the power, yes, it froze outside X
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20:07<Snapser>maybe the wifi card changes powerstate when you unplug the power?
20:08<Snapser>(and then locks up the system)
20:08<Snapser>have you tried the power cable inside Gnome, without the wifi card?
20:09<maddog>yep! am doing it now (im hard wired) and no issues
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20:10<Snapser>without the wifi card?
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20:10<maddog>yes without the wifi card, and its fine and dandy
20:11<maddog>so i think its either the card or the driver
20:11<maddog>its an RT2570, i thought they were ok, but it would seem i was wrong
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20:14[~]abrotman waves to Wyzard
20:14[~]Wyzard waves back
20:14<Wyzard>That was a bit random... my Internet connection hiccuped
20:15<maddog>do you know of any driver issues with this card?
20:15<abrotman>Wyzard: i blame your ISP
20:15<Wyzard>abrotman: I unfortunately had to switch from FiOS back to Comcast when I moved
20:15<abrotman>Wyzard: my comcast works pretty well
20:15<Snapser>maddog, hmm...
20:16<abrotman>Wyzard: might take you a few days to get it to settle down ?
20:16<Wyzard>abrotman: got Comcast installed on Sunday, and then it stopped working yesterday around noon -- apparently the third-party contractor Comcast hires to to disconnections hadn't gotten the message that a new paying customer had moved in
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20:16<abrotman>Wyzard: but you came back to OFTC .. not freenode ?
20:16<Wyzard>abrotman: got that fixed today
20:16<Wyzard>abrotman: I'm on both
20:16<abrotman>oh ok
20:16<abrotman>Wyzard: well .. that's just silly :)
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20:16<abrotman>though it is comcast ...
20:17<Snapser>maddog, not that I know of
20:17<Wyzard>I'm looking forward to Verizon installing fiber around here
20:17<Wyzard>They're doing it street-by-street
20:17<abrotman>Wyzard: what's the median income in your neighborhood ?
20:17<maddog>Snapser, i hadn't heard of any, thats why i got the card
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20:17<Snapser>maddog, what kernel are you using?
20:18<maddog>Snapser, i'll just check
20:18<Wyzard>dunno offhand, but based on my new rent vs. my old rent and my new salary vs. my old salary, it's probably about the same, adjusted for local cost-of-living
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20:18<maddog>Snapser, 2.6.18-5-686
20:18<abrotman>Wyzard: from what i can tell .. they're doing it in neighborhoods that have a higher income first
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20:21<Snapser>maddog, driver for the card:
20:21<chuy_max>anyone knows of a virtual terminal that runs with apache?
20:22<abrotman>chuy_max: you mean a cgi shell ?
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20:22<maddog>Snapser, yeah thats what im using
20:22<chuy_max>abrotman, yeah, possibly a cgi shell (although I'm sure you can use other technologies)
20:22<abrotman>okay .. i'm sure google has a few
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20:24<vsrinivas>if there is this printer i can print to using ssh and lpr, is there any way i can add that printer to my cups setup locally?
20:26<Snapser>maddog, try a different kernel
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20:26<maddog>Snapser, i have had the issue with previous kernels aswell
20:27<Snapser>just with debian?
20:27<maddog>yes, only with debian
20:27<Snapser>does it happen with hal not running
20:28<maddog>i thought it was the wifi before though and i have tried the serial monkey driver, the official ralink ones and a k2wrlz-tuned driver also and hay all give the same effect, i think it might be a power to the usb issue when on batterys
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20:29<Snapser>oh noes~
20:31<maddog>i think thats what you get when you buy budget laptops
20:31<maddog>and wifi cards
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20:36<Snapser>but it only happens in Debian...
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20:39<maddog>yeah, i knw, it is strange, unless its a debian apm thing in there kernels, maybe i should try a vanilla kernel?
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20:41<Snapser>I'm using stable
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20:41<maddog>but then i guess that would mess with other thinks, so i might have a working wifi and apm, but something else might break
20:42<Snapser>you have to have an idea of what to compile into the kernel
20:42<maddog>i've just never compiled a kernel!
20:42<maddog>well i have once with not the best outcome....
20:43<maddog>do you have a good guide somewhere that i could follow because i have trouble finding newer ones, plenty for 2.4 but i think things have changed a lot since then
20:44<maddog>in the way they are compiled
20:44<Snapser>type lspci in terminal
20:44<Snapser>then look for a guide for a laptop with the same specs
20:44<Snapser>*pci info
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20:46<maddog>i dont think i will find a guide for anything like this laptop, i have never even heard a mention of it on the internet
20:46<Snapser>I found an ACER laptop that had the SAME hardware inside it as my no-name
20:47<maddog>but then again, it uses standard intel components so, i might be in luck
20:47<maddog>is a Intel Corporation 82801
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20:49<Snapser>I followed this:
20:49<Snapser>it had all the same lspci info as my laptop
20:50<Snapser>(apart from the graphics, which I just followed the instruction for the ATI driver)
20:50<maddog>i can always try
20:50<Snapser>just search a a line from the lspci in the search box
20:50<Snapser>(at that wiki)
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20:51<maddog>ok i will give it a go
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20:57<maddog>well it has the same usb controler, 56k modem, PCI bridge, ISA bridge, IDE Controller and Audio, but i have rev2's where as the acer has rev 3's
20:58<Snapser>that won't make a difference
20:58<maddog>are you sure it won't? is everything backwards compatable?
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21:00<Snapser>even if it doesn't work, you can still boot the old (current) kernel
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21:00<maddog>thats very true
21:01<Snapser>it would be the same for the CD/DVD ROM/BURNER btw
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21:01<maddog>what would be the same?
21:01<Snapser>there isn't really specific drivers for burners
21:02<Snapser>link for the article?
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21:03<maddog>if you have a link for compiling my own kernel, that would be great!
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21:05<Snapser> Skip Step 3, replace with the latest stable (
21:05<Snapser>Skip Step 4, not 3
21:06<Snapser>(that's the same method I used for etch, before you ask)
21:07<Snapser>I don't thin you need to use "make mrproper", though it wouldn't hurt
21:07<maddog>i was going to ask why i should skip patching the kernel, then i remembered it could be a debian patch causing the issus! opps
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21:09<maddog>i can use this method to add a splash screen to the boot up as well cant i?
21:09<maddog>not that i want a splash screen, i want to see everything working, not cover it up
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21:11<maddog>its almost as if you knew i was going to ask ...
21:14<maddog>well Snapser, i would like to thank you for all the help you have given me, but i must go 2 bed, its 3:12 and i need to be up at 7, i will report back to you if i find this help, or even if it didn't
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21:17<nvz>he didn't say .us he said "us"
21:18<Snapser>maybe I should have mentioned initrd images...
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21:29<john>petemc, you around?
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21:31<john>Seems I have a problem now with normal user being able to send mail and the other party getting it... but www-data sends mail from the website forms, and it never winds up in the other mailboxes.... but it goes out cause i watch the exim logs.... so how do i change the outgoing mail from to when it is submitted on the website? anyone?
21:32<john>i can mutt from john account, and it gets there
21:32<john>but no website forms get there, but they go out according to exim logs
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21:36<sysop>hi guys
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21:36<sysop>going old school. bitchx time
21:37<ranix>not bitchx
21:37<ranix>you're doing it wrong
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21:37<sysop>yea right. I was using bitchx when you were learning how to jack it.
21:37<ranix>more like you were copying garbage files amirite
21:38<john>ok so curiosity.... I just tried su - www-data and tried to mutt out to a test address and it said perrmission denied for /var/mail/sent is that the issue?
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21:38<sysop>but anyway. Its been awhile since I have had to do this so I forgot whats the command to look at the drives. I am about to dd and want to make sure which drive is which
21:38<sysop>I thought lshw would do it and no luck
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21:39<sysop>all I really need is the size of each drive and which /dev/hd? its mapped too.
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21:40<sysop>I am booted into a command line live cd so its not easy for me to google it. sorry.
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21:41<ranix>links2 -g
21:41<ranix>I thought you were using the command line when I was prepubescent
21:41<sysop>that will only allow me to browse the web, come on
21:42<sysop>yea I am old and forgot things
21:42<ranix>I'd tell you but I'm apparently a young script kiddie
21:43<ranix>which makes me also a troll
21:43<sysop>ok, ok, just used to engange in friendly bitchx/ ircsi banter all the time.
21:44<ranix>you probably want fdisk -l
21:44<ranix>where l is lowercase L
21:44<sysop>thanks dude
21:44<sysop>ttyl. gotta starts this dd.
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21:49<gaby>i need help with something
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21:49<gaby>is there anyone that might be able to help me
21:49<JasonS>gaby: try asking
21:49<gaby>i need help with my music player
21:49<gaby>i just installed ubuntu
21:49<gaby>just starting with things thing
21:49<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
21:50<gaby>i trayd to play some music but is says it doesnt have the pluging installed
21:50<JasonS>gaby: you know you're in #debian?
21:50<gaby>thanks for the info
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21:51<Azverkan>Is there anyone around who has experience debugging softlocks in xorg? I think the problem may be related to XIM, but I'm not sure how to verify that.
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22:09<cire>I am using "read -n 1 foo", and want to check whether $foo equals newline-character. How may I do this? if [ "$foo" = "\n" ] doesn't work...
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22:13<mikegrb>bah, why do people still insist on using qmail?
22:13[~]mikegrb opens some abuse tickets with customers using qmail
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22:21<kop>cire: $'\n' is newline, but I don't know whether you can pick up a newline with read or not.
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22:22<kop>What do people think, does iceweasel have a security problem because middle clicking on something that's not a link sends the clipboard contents to google?
22:23<posix>are fetchmail alternatives worth it?
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22:23<kop>posix: To do what?
22:24<posix>retchmail and the like
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22:24<kop>posix: Dunno. I'm happy with fetchmail/procmail.
22:25<posix>and mutt?
22:28<kop>posix: I use balsa, for no good reason. Emacs is ok too. I recall trying mutt and then not using it but for the life of me I can't recall anything about it.
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22:31<posix>ah ya..
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22:34<esaym>ZOMG configuring postfix with dovecot and smtp_auth for like 20 hours now! >_<
22:34<esaym>still got some left for tomorrow
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22:59<PyroticShadow>Alright, anyone feeling up to helping me with my dinosaur of a laptop ?
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23:01<PyroticShadow>Well, here it goes if anyone can help. I have a Fujitsu Lifebook C340.. I installed the Net install, base system, and it didn't detect my network card, which is a Netgear PC Card, that plugs in the side... just ethernet, not wireless. DSL recognized it, but Debian didn't. So, I said, Oh well, and decided to install the Grub MBR... it errored, so did Lilo
23:02<PyroticShadow>They both said that the package failed to install into /target/
23:02<PyroticShadow>Any ideas? My computer has 32MB RAM and 3GB HDD... so I can't do anything too extreme.
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23:03<PyroticShadow>debhelper, ?
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23:19<niru>hi all
23:19<niru>PyroticShadow, r u there
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23:20<alaya>32M RAM?
23:21<niru>PyroticShadow, I have a 1GB usb stick
23:21<niru>PyroticShadow, I was able to make it a bootable install usb
23:21<alaya>people throw away machines many times more powerful than that. go to goodwill and get a better machine for $10
23:21<PyroticShadow>alaya, doubt I could find a better one for cheap around here. I have bills and shit to take care of, this isn't priority, I'm just fixing it for my girlfriend to use to take notes in College.
23:22<niru>PyroticShadow, but when I added a preseed file in the usb filesystem and mentioned its path in syslinux.cfgit stops installation at a point when it tries to fetch the preseed file
23:22<alaya>32M of RAM. that's a joke. really.
23:22<PyroticShadow>alaya, yeah, so I was looking for help, not criticism, thanks.
23:22<niru>PyroticShadow, shows unable to retrive preconfiguration file from file:///preseed.cfg
23:22<niru>I followed the following url
23:22<alaya>PyroticShadow: that was my help
23:22<PyroticShadow>niru, I know nothing of what you're doing, I'm here for help as well.
23:23<PyroticShadow>alaya, Ok then, thank you, I'll await someone whos help actually is beneficial to me.
23:23<alaya>PyroticShadow: in my opinion what you are trying to do is beyond stupid.
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23:23<alaya>PyroticShadow: maybe some ultra-small system like qnx would be more appropriate for something like that.
23:24<alaya>even the most limited embedded systems have more resources than that
23:25<PyroticShadow>alaya, actually, dsl worked just fine, aside from the whole fact that apt-get wasn't included into the system so I couldn't apt-get for any of the programs I wanted, so, I might resort to that, considering the fact that nobody in here can help.
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23:25<alaya>if you think you are actually helping your GF think again. i don't think it will be much use for her to sit there and watch a disk spinning for 10 minutes, presuming you can even get anything installed on the box.
23:25<PyroticShadow>alaya, I'm full of stupidity, so the fact that you state what I'm doing is 'beyond' stupid, I accept that.
23:25<PyroticShadow>alaya, it works fine, when it's booted up, surprisingly it runs fairly fast, considering the 233mhz processor and 32mb ram...
23:26<amphi>alaya: I ran debian fine in 32mb of ram
23:26<alaya>she would be better of with an old selectric typewriter from goodwill for $5. seriously. i'm not joking.
23:26<amphi>alaya: wtf?
23:26<PyroticShadow>alaya, it's not -JUST- for typing. I will use it for internet, it works fine.
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23:26<amphi>PyroticShadow: I ran debian perfectly well on a similar machine
23:27<amphi>PyroticShadow: ok, it was 266MHz/32MB/3,5GB
23:27<PyroticShadow>alaya, if I wanted to be bashed and told simply what to do, I'd go to a different channel, I came here for the assistance that the channel was created for.
23:27<PyroticShadow>amphi, same thing I have right here, but I'm havinga n issue with grub/lilo installation
23:27<PyroticShadow>amphi, right now I'm ls'ing the cd, looking for a manual install of it.. not finding it..
23:27<alaya>amphi: must have been an older version of debian
23:27<amphi>PyroticShadow: I would forget about lilo
23:27<PyroticShadow>apt-get can't find it either.
23:27<amphi>alaya: woody perhaps?
23:28<alaya>PyroticShadow: i'm not saying you can't get help, but just telling you what I know
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23:28<amphi>PyroticShadow: what does grub-install /dev/hda say ?
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23:29<PyroticShadow>amphi, to sum it up, it says that it can't find the package when apt-install looks for it
23:29<alaya>PyroticShadow: if i were in your situation, i would seriously consider getting a 5-hour part-time job to pay say $50 for something that is at least half-ass than something that is beyond the bend
23:29<amphi>PyroticShadow: can't find a grub package?
23:29<PyroticShadow>no installation candidtate
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23:30<PyroticShadow>alaya, I work a fulltime job, with fulltime college. It's difficult enough.
23:30<PyroticShadow>amphi, yeah.. oddly enough...
23:30<amphi>PyroticShadow: what release of debian are you trying to install?
23:30<PyroticShadow>Package 'grub' has no installation candidate
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23:31<PyroticShadow>amphi, any idea ?
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23:32<amphi>PyroticShadow: what release of debian are you trying to install?
23:33<PyroticShadow>testing, i386
23:33<amphi>why testing?
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23:33<amphi>on such a machine, oldstable might be the best
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23:33<PyroticShadow>ergh. =/
23:33<PyroticShadow>can you link me to the best suggestion of which one I should try and install?
23:34<dpkg>methinks oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here:
23:34<amphi>PyroticShadow: you might be better off with a 2.4 kernel too ;)
23:35<PyroticShadow>so grab the net install of that one?
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23:35<amphi>PyroticShadow: as you like
23:35<kop>I ran woody on a 386 with 24MB of RAM. Used it as a dns server. But it just didn't have enough ram and I gave up on it after running sarge for about a year.
23:36<kop>I take it back, it was a 486.
23:36<niru>gsimmons, r u there
23:36<PyroticShadow>gay, this will be the 3rd try... I should have just stuck with DSL...
23:36<dpkg>It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.
23:37<kop>Something like PyroticShadow's box you could run a text editor in, but not much else I'd expect.
23:37<PyroticShadow>kop, yeah, DSL ran fine, aside from the whole not having apt-get thing... I may try it again......
23:37<alaya>i hope your gf likes vi
23:37<kop>Use mg. It's a tiny tiny emacs.
23:38<PyroticShadow>Thanks for the help amphi alaya and kop
23:38<PyroticShadow>take care
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23:40<kop>I'm waiting for one of those Asus eee laptops.
23:40<alaya>thinkpad 600e's are going for about $10 on ebay. i would say learning how to use ebay is a more valueable skill than screwing around with outdated debian distros on a dinosaur box.
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23:42<alaya>sometimes the most direct route is not the best one
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23:54<rav>hello. is installing php5 with aptitude enough to make it functional?
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23:56<chealer>rav: depending on what you mean by functional, yes
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23:57<rav>chealer: i installed apache2 and php5 and created a hello world file to test the installation, but i don't see the php part when i load the page
23:58<chealer>rav: do you mean the PHP code isn't parsed?
23:58<rav>chealer: yes, i just see the html around the php code
23:59<chealer>rav: could you show?
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