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00:02<family>so this is what i have done so far debootstap etch from a debian mirror then i decided hey lets install the kernel so i chrooted into the system and apt-get install linux-image-2.6 k this is now complete so i thought i need xorg i apt-get that. Now i realized i need a gui so i apt-get install fvwm, completed so whats left grub apt-get install grub. k now i have everything i need right? right so now i decided i need to find a way to
00:02<family>install this to the hard drive through the use of a cd. now im stuck..
00:03<Lichte>I can hear my microphone in my speakers, but I'm unable to record any sound from it.........any one have any pointers for me ?
00:03<family>some help would be nice
00:03<family>:)
00:03<chealer>Lichte: which X session type do you use?
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00:05<Lichte>chealer: I'm using KDE
00:05<chealer>Lichte: did you check kmix?
00:05<Lichte>chealer: yes, and I just ran alsaconf as root
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00:06<chealer>Lichte: could you publish a screenshot of your kmix input settings?
00:06<Lichte>I just fixed sound for java applets, I'm frustrated that I can't figure this one out
00:06<Lichte>chealer: let me think of where I can upload the pic.........
00:07<chealer>!tell Lichte about paste
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00:07<Lichte>nice, thanks
00:08<family>chealer can ya help??
00:09<chealer>family: if you don't mind, what are you trying to do?
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00:10<Lichte>chealer: http://picpaste.com/snapshot1.png
00:10<family>umm i debooted etch installed kernel through apt then xorg,fvwm,and grub i would like to place this onto a cd and have some kind of installer install it to my harddrive but i also need it partitioned before cp all files
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00:10<Lichte>hmmm, that doesn't look very good
00:10<chealer>Lichte: *cough* nice theme *cough*
00:11<Lichte>lol
00:11<chealer>Lichte: but there are your output settings
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00:11<Lichte>oh, let me screen those
00:11<chealer>s/there/these/
00:12<family>so im looking for a installer of some sort
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00:12<Lichte>http://picpaste.com/snapshot1_2.png
00:12<family>to format and partition the harddrive then copy the files over from the cd to it
00:13<Lichte>I really like this theme.......I also like laptop theme very much
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00:15<Lichte>there, now I'm using Laptop
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00:15<Lichte>chealer: http://picpaste.com/snapshot1_2.png
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00:16<chealer>Lichte: please take one using a normal theme. I'm unable to tell whether your channel is mute with that theme
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00:17<Lichte>you mean that colored button on the bottom ? I've clicked that both on and off and still get no sound
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00:19<chealer>Lichte: there's another one on the top with the normal theme
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00:20<mxldr>thizzle
00:20<Lichte>chealer: that's strange
00:20<Lichte>chealer: what's the normal theme ?
00:21<chealer>Lichte: I don't really know about customizing appearance. if you have trouble getting back to normal, you can ask in #debian-kde or...create a new user to check.
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00:23<Lichte>chealer: I just switched to Plastik, but there's still no button on top
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00:25<Lichte>woah, I just found the setting
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00:28<Lichte>I had to change my digital source to i2s in
00:28<Lichte>whatever that is
00:29<Lichte>thanks for your help, chealer
00:30<Lichte>sweetness
00:30<Lichte>now I can find out if I can get Gizmo to work
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00:45<family>need help
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00:46<family>cdebootstrap woody http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive
00:46<family>invalid mirror
00:47<chealer>family: why don't you use debian-installer?
00:47<family>chealer can ya please help with that question after that im good to go :)
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00:47<chealer>family: I still don't understand what you want to do
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00:48<streuner>chealer: he want use woody, because he has a brainfart
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00:48<family>streuner please i just need to figure out how to get that mirror to work here it is
00:48<streuner>chealer: "etch gives too much headaces"...
00:49<family>http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/woody/
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00:49<family>strueuner etch wont work with what im doing
00:49<chealer>streuner: he was talking about debootstrapping etch earlier.
00:49<family>yes and it doesnt work
00:49<family>im going to find the ftp site for this
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00:55<family>figured it out woody is aka Debian 3.0r2
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01:01<gabrix>fist time for me to configure wireless please help
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01:01<iwant2fly>hello?
01:02<gabrix>i have sticked a pci wireless card to my linux wired gateway
01:02<streuner>!ask
01:02<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
01:02<gabrix>hi all sorry !
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01:03<gabrix>i was saying
01:04<gabrix>i have a linuxbox gateway lan with 3 interfaces 2 wired 1 wireless
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01:04<iwant2fly>I have a wireless card that I need help configuing for wpa psk. I am new to linux so I need step by step help. I have the driver installed and "KWiFiManager" can see the network. I just need help in connecting to the secured network
01:04<gabrix>i want my laptop to go in internet through this wireless card
01:05<gabrix>same i as iwant2fly
01:05<iwant2fly>yeah I can't find good documentation on it unfortunately
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01:05<gabrix>mine is a d-link airplus driver acx100
01:05<gabrix>pci
01:05<iwant2fly>mine is a ra2500
01:06<iwant2fly>pci
01:06<gabrix>i have something for ra2500 wait
01:07<gabrix>try this i'm not sure http://modfree.org/index.php?topic=335.msg1135
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01:08<gabrix>if i ping my wlano it echoes back my pubblic ip
01:08<iwant2fly>yeah that site works if I am using wep encryption
01:08<iwant2fly>but if I follow those same directions it doesn't work for WPA PSK
01:09<gabrix>i know s... about wireles sorry
01:09<iwant2fly>lol me too
01:09<iwant2fly>I am new to linux
01:09<iwant2fly>I can di it in windows in about 5 sec
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01:10<iwant2fly>right now I have a network cable strung 70 ft through the house till I can get the wireless working
01:10<iwant2fly>a great tripping hazzard
01:11<gabrix>so i want my laptop to connect to the linuxbox and than use the wired router as gateway for internet
01:12<iwant2fly>ahh an ad-hoc setup
01:12<gabrix>that's right
01:13<iwant2fly>using a wireless card in both pc's?
01:13<gabrix>than i shall use the wired router as gateway .... i suppose
01:13<iwant2fly>yeah I read something about doing that
01:14<iwant2fly>in the box connected to the router/gateway you have to set up some sort of bridge
01:14<iwant2fly>connection brige or something like that
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01:14<gabrix>Network is unreachable
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01:15<iwant2fly>g out
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01:31<iwant2fly>anyone know anythign about configuring a wireless card for wpa psk?
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01:35<Internat>is there a dvd/cd iso of the debian-multimedia respository?
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01:37<iwant2fly>anyone know about configuring wpa psk for a wireless card?
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01:38<iwant2fly>help if you can please http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19318
01:38<ko12upt>!bot
01:38<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
01:38<ko12upt>!give iwant2fly a blow job
01:38[~]dpkg gives iwant2fly a blow job
01:40<_Staz>:)
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01:41<iwant2fly>thats all right thanks anyway
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01:41<ko12upt>!give iwant2fly a beer
01:41[~]dpkg hands iwant2fly a cold beer
01:41<iwant2fly>thanks
01:41<ko12upt>:P
01:42<ko12upt>!free porn
01:42<dpkg>free porn is probably at http://www.sublimedirectory.com
01:42<iwant2fly>I'd rather figure out this amazingly annoying problem
01:42<chealer>ko12upt: stop that
01:42<ko12upt>whats the problem??
01:42<ko12upt>i found it lemme look
01:42<iwant2fly>how to configure a wireless card with wpapsk encryption
01:43<iwant2fly>I have the driver installed and the card works I just don't know how to configure it to work with the encryption
01:43<iwant2fly>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19318
01:43<ko12upt>try this iwconfig wlan0 mode Restricted key here? maybe
01:43<ko12upt>ndiswrapper -m to save
01:44<chealer>ko12upt: what makes you think ndiswrapper is installed?
01:44<iwant2fly>can you give me that in a little more step by step? I am very new to linux
01:44<ko12upt>dont know just a guess
01:44<ko12upt>iwant2fly i would use ndiswrapper
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01:45<iwant2fly>ok findind and installing that now
01:45<iwant2fly>how do I use it after its installed?
01:45<iwant2fly>GUI?
01:45<ko12upt>then place the windows cd into the computer get the drives off to desktop then
01:45<ko12upt>oh no gui
01:45<ko12upt>ndiswrapper-utils
01:45<iwant2fly>rats
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01:45<ko12upt>but if you already have it working i wouldnt bother with this
01:45<ko12upt>but im pretty sure it will work
01:46<iwant2fly>yeah I can use KWiFi manager and see that its connected
01:46<iwant2fly>well not connected
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01:46<ko12upt>then when you get it goto your shell and type ndiswrapper -i /home/user/Desktop/thentheinfnamehere
01:46<iwant2fly>but that the card works and can see the router
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01:47<ko12upt>then you would do a iwlist wlan0 scan
01:47<ko12upt>find the name of your essid
01:47<ko12upt>then type iwconfig wlan0 essid youridgoeshere
01:47<ko12upt>then type iwconfig wlan0 mode Restricted yourkeygoeshere
01:47<iwant2fly>I know the essid
01:48<ko12upt>then type ifup wlan0
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01:48<ko12upt>wait dont do that yet
01:48<ko12upt>ndiswrapper -m
01:48<ko12upt>then modprobe ndiswrapper
01:48<ko12upt>then ifup wlan0
01:48<ko12upt>done
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01:48<ko12upt>takes me 2 minutes to set my card up like that
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01:49<iwant2fly>okwhen I type in ndiswrapper anything it says no versions of ndiswrapper found
01:49<ko12upt>ndiswrapper-utils
01:49<ko12upt>apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
01:49<ko12upt>at your shell
01:50<ko12upt>when that is done do the rest from the top
01:51<iwant2fly>so is ndiswrapper just another driver?
01:51<ko12upt>no more like a tool to use windows drivers
01:51<iwant2fly>but I have a driver installed that works why install a different driver?
01:51<ko12upt>im hoping you have your windows driver cd
01:52<iwant2fly>I just need to set up the encryption settings
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01:52<ko12upt>thats what i was telling you iwant2fly if your wireless is working now then dont do this way but if you did it this way i gaureentee it to work
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01:52<iwant2fly>gotcha
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02:09<iwant2fly>I need help please http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19318
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02:11<dli>iwant2fly, http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto
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02:14<iwant2fly>thanks dli I will try that
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02:14<iwant2fly>I tried it earlier, but I didn't have a clue what I was doing
02:14<iwant2fly>I now have a hint of a clue so I will try again
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02:19<iwant2fly>Thanks very much dli I think I have it working
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02:21<iwant2fly>ok its connected to the network
02:21<iwant2fly>how do I make it the default connection? i.e. I unplug my wireless lan and I can't connect to the internet
02:22<dli>iwant2fly, /etc/init.d/networking restart
02:23<dli>iwant2fly, is it a usb or pcmcia?
02:23<iwant2fly>pci
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02:24<dli>iwant2fly, you hot plug pci?
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02:25<troubled>dondelelcaro: hey, you there?
02:25<dondelelcaro>troubled: yerp
02:25<troubled>dondelelcaro: sorry, my freenode client is lagged, but not the bot *shrug*
02:26<troubled>give my reply a sec :)
02:26<iwant2fly>Reconfiguring network interfaces...eth1 no private ioctls.
02:26<iwant2fly>Failed to bring up eth3.
02:26<iwant2fly>done.
02:28<iwant2fly>no not hotplug the wireless card. The wireless is working. and now I want to disconnect the wired connection, and when I do so the wireless connection doesn't give me internet access
02:28<iwant2fly>even though it is connected to the router
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02:29<dli>iwant2fly, you should set the wireless one as auto, but not the wired one
02:29<iwant2fly>how do I do that?
02:29<dli>iwant2fly, for example, "auto eth1" for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces
02:30<dondelelcaro>iwant2fly: the problem is most likely that your wired interface has the default gateway
02:30<dondelelcaro>iwant2fly: bring them both down and bring only up the wireless interface
02:31<iwant2fly>interfaces file
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02:31<iwant2fly># This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
02:31<iwant2fly># and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
02:31<iwant2fly># The loopback network interface
02:31<iwant2fly>auto eth3
02:31<iwant2fly>#iface eth3 inet dhcp
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02:31<dondelelcaro>if you want to know how to set which one comes up by default, man 5 interfaces
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02:33<iwant2fly>does that interfaces file look anything like it should?
02:33<dondelelcaro>!paste
02:33<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
02:33<iwant2fly>ok
02:33<iwant2fly>sorry bout that
02:33<dondelelcaro>no worries; now you know.
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02:34<foxure>Hello
02:36<foxure>i've downloaded the anonrsyncscript from debian.org, Ofcourse i did a miss and now i have the powerpc arch wich a don't need.. and i wounder how i could delete that arch only?
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02:37<dondelelcaro>foxure: find . -type f -name '*_powerpc.deb' -print0|xargs -0 rm -f
02:37<foxure>dondelelcaro: okey thanks:)
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02:45<dli>dondelelcaro, why not "rm ./*_powerpc.deb"?
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02:59<family>can i run ndiswrapper on a 2.4.25 kernel
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03:00<streuner>2.4.25 is old
03:00<streuner>!kernel
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03:00<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.22.6, prepatch: 2.6.23-rc7, 2.4: 2.4.35.2, prepatch: 2.4.36-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.23-rc6-mm1
03:01<streuner>*plonk*
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03:01<family>ndiswrapper 0.11 this one will work
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03:06[~]gcosmin morning
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03:19<family>how can i compile a program within a chroot enviornment
03:19<family>the kernel im running in chroot is 2.4 my kernel is 2.6.22.3-rc1-slh-smp-2
03:19<koollman>kernel does not 'run' in a chroot
03:19<family>darn
03:19<family>is there anyway i can compile it
03:20<family>so the other system will use it
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03:22<family>koollman do you know of a way?
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03:24<cracken>Hola, Alguien que hable Español?
03:24<xzu>hi, i'm seeing a lot of ^tcp6 lines with netstat, while there is no ipv6 connetivity, any hints/pointers?
03:24<koollman>!es
03:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
03:25<cracken>Gracias
03:25<cracken>Thans
03:25<cracken>Thanks
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03:25<xzu>hasta luego ;)
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03:26<angellon33>Hola
03:26<angellon33>hay alguien????
03:27<angellon33>alone in the dark????
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03:27<ordenador33>hola
03:27<ordenador33>hi
03:27<ordenador33>no tas solo
03:28<dli>!es
03:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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03:30<xzu>goder
03:31<xzu>bah, i alway want to write joder as goder, us Dutchies not pronouncing the j as a g
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03:34<gabrix>i'm still stuck
03:34<gabrix>same problem of iwant2fly
03:35<gabrix>but wth a acx100 wirelless pci d-link
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03:35<Gitch>hey guys. I'm getting the error 'hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000' on trying to automount an ntfs volume on etch. I can automount my CF card no problem at all using it.
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03:36<gabrix>i have no clu of wireless
03:36<gabrix>basically i have a linux box with 2 wired if and 1 wireless one
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03:37<gabrix>i want to get out in internet with my laptop trough that interface
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03:38<gabrix>and trough the wired NIC
03:38<gabrix>i mean with the laptop
03:38<dli>gabrix, define your question clearly :(
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03:38<gabrix>i connect to the linux box wirelessly
03:39<gabrix>and get out to the internet trough the wired gateway
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03:39<gabrix>clear?
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03:40<gabrix>i have a gateway linuxbox with 3 NICs
03:40<gabrix>2 wired 1 wireless
03:40<gabrix>ok ?
03:41<gabrix>the wired once are eth0 go in internet by the wired router
03:41<gabrix>eth1 is the lan interface
03:42<gabrix>wlan0 instead also is supposed to be a lan interface
03:42<gabrix>but for wireless clients
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03:42<gabrix>ok?
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03:43<gabrix>clear
03:43<gabrix>?????
03:43<gabrix>i will say again
03:43<gabrix>a linux box has 3 nics
03:43<chealer>!tell gabrix about enter
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03:44<gabrix>eth0 connected to a modem/router
03:44<gabrix>and it goes in internet
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03:45<gabrix>eth1 has a 8 ports switch for wired clients and they use eth1 as gateway and than forwarded to eth0 and than internet
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03:47<gabrix>i added a third nic for wireless clients and they should do the same of the eth1 clients
03:47<gabrix>this last nic is wlan0
03:47<chealer>!enter
03:47<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
03:47<gabrix>read one brath
03:48<gabrix>breath
03:48<family>umm i need pnmtolss16
03:48<family>and this one ppmtolss16
03:48<gabrix>is it clear ?
03:48<family>apt-get install doesnt work
03:48<gabrix>i will say again
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03:49<family>does anyone know what im talking about??
03:49<gabrix>a linux box has one nic eth0 it uses to go in internet , because connected to a modem/router
03:50<gabrix>it has also a second nic eth1
03:50<gabrix>clients wired to a switch use as a gateway
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03:51<gsimmons_>family: For ppmtolss16, you'd want to install the 'syslinux' package.
03:51<family>aww yes i remember thanks so much
03:52<chealer>gabrix: look at your keyboard closely. you should find a "." key there. try using it.
03:52<gabrix>this linux box wants also wireless clients to go in internet by wlan0 i suppose they'd use as gateway
03:53<gabrix>was that clear ?
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03:54<gabrix>it'a mixed gateway for wired and wireless clients
03:54<gabrix>clear ?
03:55<gabrix>i want them all go out in internet trough eth0 and the router wired o it
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03:57<gabrix>guys i'm doing my best if you are kiding just say so , it lasted enough
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03:58<gabrix>a router modem gateway wired to eth0
03:59<gabrix>eth1 wired to a switch gateway for 6 clients
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04:00<gabrix>is wlan0 going to be the gateway for the wireless clients ?
04:01<gabrix>are they all going to go out in internet trough eth0 and its modem/router ?
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04:01<kantor>ih, is there a way to rebuild the dpkg package database ? (/var/lib/dpkg/status)
04:02<kantor>because it is damaged
04:02<kantor>and thje content can't be read correctly
04:02<gabrix>woighiKQHGEVNOIHQNOGFVhfwn0pvèàhjewqnùgvÈQguest ok = GJEVÙÈEQGVQMGV*§'JE2Q
04:02<gabrix>gbv'+Ì2GIJKBV'P2RGKBVHEÒGVB2EÀÙgb2BÙR
04:02<gabrix>bòàRBÒÀHR
04:02<gabrix>hbR
04:02<gabrix>HBÀRÒBHRÒÙ
04:02<gabrix>bh-
04:02<gabrix>R
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04:03<chealer>kantor: how do you know?
04:03<dli>kantor, too bad, there's status-old :(
04:04<dli>kantor, fs error?
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04:06<kantor>yes, but it was my falut, I have expermineted with raw hard disc commands
04:06<kantor>dli,
04:07<dli>kantor, haha, I did that once, and the only solution for me was reinstall
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04:08<kantor>I have found a status.backup in the backup folder but that covers only the default installed pakages , what I have installed afterward (xmms, amarok. . .) it's not installed there
04:08<dli>kantor, it was more than just the status file, missing random files
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04:08<dli>kantor, within the same folder, there's a status-old
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04:10<dli>kantor, I guess you need fsck first :(
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04:12<kantor>dli, yes it's there, I think I don't gonna reinstalled Debian, I'm to lazy for that
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04:12<kantor>I only reinstall the packages that I remember to have installed after installing the Debian system
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04:15<kantor>dli, can I ask you a question related to hard disk transfers ?
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04:16<dli>kantor, if I knows an answer
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04:16<kantor>dli, there is a thing that I don't know exactly
04:16<kantor>do you worked with HDIO_DRIVE_TASKFILE ioclt ?
04:18<dli>kantor, I never heard anything like that at all :( sounds like low level hardware api to me. kernel api?
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04:24<kantor>dli, yes it is
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04:28<jm_>kantor: read Documentation/ioctl/hdio.txt
04:29<dli>kantor, why not play on your system hard drive? it's not even a technical question here
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04:38<astrokylin>hello
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05:13<Caino>moooooooooooo @ *
05:14<netspirit>Hi! Since I upgrade Xorg today (on sid), I can go from screen0 to screen1 but can't go back to screen0 from screen1 (dual X separated screens with nvidia drivers)... Is there a known issue about that plz?
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05:16<spanther>netspirit: sid = unstable :)
05:16<netspirit>spanther, I know but that's not a reason not to resolve issues ;)
05:17<spanther>ah you're beta tester ? cool :)
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05:17<netspirit>spanther, Using Sid is a kind of being beta tester, yes...
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05:18<padski>netspirit, the pointer ?
05:19<netspirit>padski, yes
05:20<padski>netspirit, couple of things you could try: alternative drivers. can you move the focus back (eg: using tab)
05:20<padski>netspirit, might help to clarify the nature of the bug
05:20<seanius>netspirit: yes it's a known problem
05:21<seanius>i don't know if there's a bugt for it, but someone was having the same issue yesterday
05:21<seanius>i think he ended up downgrading back to testing for the time being
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05:21<netspirit>seanius, Ok thank you for the information :)
05:22<seanius>netspirit: but i'd suggest going into #debian-x and asking there
05:23<netspirit>padski, Xord config doesn't allow me to manage screen0 focus from screen1 from keyboard... and I don't really have the time right now to try alternative drivers, sorry... But thank you for help
05:23<netspirit>seanius, I will... Thank you :)
05:23<netspirit>padski, s/Xord/Xorg
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05:24<padski>netspirit, no worries, sounds like seanius' info was much more relevant :-)
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05:55<matth_>hey there
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05:55<matth_>is there a simple way I can tell a package is on cdrom # wihout d/l all the iso ?
05:56<matth_>speaking about images from cdimage.debian.org
05:56<jm_>yes
05:56<matth_>cool, seems interesting
05:56<matth_>jm_: could you elaborate on that ?
05:57<jm_>!cd contents
05:57<dpkg>To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php
05:57<matth_>cheers mate !
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06:10<spanther>i have a problem :) i can start steam and play games through wine but i dont have sound while playing anyone know a solution?
06:12<padski>spanther, what is steam ?
06:13<spanther>padski: a game cliend made from valve for playing Counter-Strike 1.6 and Source :)
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06:15<spanther>good thing is games run in openGL mode so that works fine but i have no sound except of desktop sounds when minimizing windows and other things
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06:16<padski>spanther, I used to run warcraft 3 under wine. it ran better than under windows :-) I'm sure it had sound.
06:16<spanther>padski: warcraft3 is cool :)
06:16<jm_>do you have esd or arts running? somethng else keeping hold of sound device?
06:16<spanther>and yup it runs better hehe its just i need sound and uh
06:17<spanther>jm_: yeah arts through kde :D
06:17<spanther>should be enabled the sound server i mean
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06:17<spanther>how to disable?
06:18<spanther>installed debian with gnome then i installed kde through apt and yeah :)
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06:22<jm_>spanther: KDE control center
06:23<jm_>spanther: or configure dmix
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06:23<spanther>jm_: i am inside kde control :)
06:23<spanther>disabled sound system now
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06:24<spanther>yeah sound :D
06:24<spanther>jm_: thank you so much for the hint with arts
06:24<gEEk>nyone knows why ftp.debian.org now doesn't contain full debian archives?
06:24<gEEk>it only has i386 and AMD64 now
06:24<spanther>i hate arts lol x)
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06:26<jm_>kEEg: because of size IIRC
06:26<spanther>*brb playing*
06:29<kEEg>hm... but I think as the main mirror server, it should have the top priority in hardware upgrade
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06:31<Tully>Hello
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07:14<chandu>hi
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07:14<chandu>I am having" UMAX
07:14<chandu> AstraPix PC102" webcam ..
07:14<chandu>I am trying to use it , but it is showing drivers are not available ..
07:15<chandu>I am working on 2.6.21 kernel
07:15<chandu>can anyone help me in solving this problem ..which driver is needed for this device
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07:22<chandu>hey can anyone answer my query
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07:24<padski>chandu, missed it
07:25<padski>chandu, which is why it is better just to repeat the question
07:25<chandu>padski, ok
07:25<chandu>padski, I am having "UMAX
07:25<chandu>AstraPix PC102" web cam
07:25<chandu>padski, working on 2.6.21 kernel
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07:25<chandu>padski, I am not able to use that ..driver not available
07:25<chandu>padski, may i know which driver should be there
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07:28<padski>chandu, is it usb ? lsusb and tell me the nnnn:nnnn number
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07:29<jm_>gspca website doesn't list it
07:29<jm_>unless it's hidden under another name
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07:29<chandu>padski, Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0c45:6019 Microdia
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07:31<jm_>Sonix 199 0x0c45 0x6019 Sonix generic sn9c101 OV7630 Yes
07:31<jm_>try gspca driver
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07:32<chandu>jm_, which is the package responsible for all these drivers
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07:33<jm_>chandu: how about apt-cache search gspca?
07:34<chandu>jm_, ok cool ..let me find out
07:35<M4dC0R3>How can I know all the files for an installed package
07:35<jm_>M4dC0R3: man dpkg
07:35<padski>M4dC0R3, dpkg -L is handy
07:35<M4dC0R3>thanks padski
07:35<padski>M4dC0R3, although there may be stuff it doesn't tell you.
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07:36<chandu>padski, this is the output of lsusb
07:36<chandu>padski, Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0c45:6019 Microdi
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07:38<padski>chandu, deja vu :-) what jm_ said: "try the gspca driver"
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07:43<chandu>padski, ok
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07:46<padski>chandu, uname -r will tell you the kernel version you are running. if it is a stock kernel apt-cache search shows packages of the form gspca-modules-`uname -r`
07:47<chandu>padski, yes ..I got it
07:47<chandu>padski, I mean I got the pkg to isntall
07:47<padski>chandu, if not there is a source package and you can use module-assistant
07:47<padski>chandu, great
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07:48<subchee>hi
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07:49<subchee>can anobody help me? I want to install an irc server on debian, but I don't know, which is the best
07:49<oscar>#debian-es
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07:49<Jasons>subchee: server or do you mean irc client?
07:49<subchee>no, I mean server
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07:50<Jasons>seriously? i have to ask why would you want to do that
07:50<subchee>I've got a community website.. and for my users I want a chat
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07:53<padski>subchee, there is the debian tag browser to find what package do a certain thing and popcon which will tell you something about the popularity of those packages
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07:55<subchee>ok
07:55<subchee>good bye
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07:56<padski>subchee, fwiw, I see that our current host has it's own: oftc-hybrid
07:56<padski>bye
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08:11<sametch>I managed to install sarge 3.r0 on PII today
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08:12<sametch>But etch 4.r0 won't install ?:(
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08:15<padski>sametch, this the cd thing from yesterday ?
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08:16<sametch>yeah
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08:16<sametch>I put the cd and then says Detect and mount cd (but it doesn't go any further)
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08:16<jm_>try the parameters it mentions in help
08:17<padski>obviously it would be interesting to get to the bottom of what the problem is, but would it help you to upgrade from the installed sarge to etch ?
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08:18<sametch>I was planning to put etch from the start but I couldn't thats why I decided to go with sarge
08:18<sametch>chealer suggested to install sarge
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08:19<sametch>but I would like to have etch on it
08:22<padski>!tell sametch about sarge->etch
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08:22<sametch>oh sorry , it was you
08:23<padski>darn it! I've been spotted!
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08:26<wo0f_>hi
08:27<wo0f_>when debian installs with a desktop enviroment, it defaults to gnome
08:27<wo0f_>i have tryed installing KDE via aptitude, but how do i set it up to work! ?
08:28<wo0f_>(incidently, i used the virtual dependancy package)
08:28<padski>wo0f, are you using gdm ?
08:28<wo0f_>the x-server?
08:28<jm_>change default x-session-manager
08:28<wo0f_>i belieave so
08:29<wo0f_>jm_, how do i do that?
08:29<jm_>wo0f_: update-alternatives
08:29<wo0f_>ok
08:30<padski>jm_, is that not updated when the new DE is installed ?
08:30<wo0f_>is there not a way to get the login manager to give the option as to which desktop to use?
08:31<wo0f_>padski, i think it is
08:31<padski>wo0f, that login manager is an X Display Manager and likely one of xdm, kdm or gdm
08:31<jm_>padski: to automatically become the default? that would be pretty bad IMHO
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08:32<padski>jm_, isn't that how it works with text editors ?
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08:32<wo0f_>i see
08:32<padski>jm_, anyways mine seems to be set to xfce4-session, which I only installed the other day
08:33<wo0f_>so which x display manager is going to give me the option?
08:33<padski>wo0f, gdm does, and it has pretty wallpaper too ;-)
08:33<Vakio>wo0f_: at least gdm and kdm should.
08:33<wo0f_>hmmm i currently using gdm
08:34<wo0f_>and is finished nicely in all things debian
08:34<padski>wo0f, there is some dot file which they should honour
08:34<wo0f_>but no point of entry to any options regarding which desktop to use
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08:35<wo0f_>well, its just default
08:35<padski>wo0f, there should be a "Session" somewhere on hte screen. click it broings up a dialog
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08:36<wo0f_>padski, hmm, if that was the case id have no problem lol
08:36<padski>wo0f, lol
08:37<jm_>padski: nope, it keeps current default
08:37<wo0f_>padski, the default installation using gdm has no option for different sessions
08:37<wo0f_>so this is my problem
08:37<jm_>gotta run now
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08:37<wo0f_>in effect, how do i setup my x display manager to give me this options :)))
08:38<Vakio>wo0f_: which KDE package did you install?
08:38<padski>wo0f, gdm has done that every time I installed it lately.
08:39<wo0f_>Vakio, i selected the virtual dependancy package from the end-user menu in aptitude
08:39<wo0f_>Vakio, the kde package/s that is
08:39<padski>wo0f, there will be a configuration panel in gnome for gdm somewhere
08:40<wo0f_>padski,
08:40<wo0f_>ah yes, i belieave there is
08:40<padski>wo0f_,
08:40<wo0f_>ok guys, cheers for the help, i gtg for abit
08:40<wo0f_>laters
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08:41<alsales>jofdkska\sakkjskjsdhdfoe84390580q9-89qe7wuwduxxzaopdiaohdxasudiduyaisudapsioasapoi
08:42<wo0f_>=[
08:42<alsales>isjdaidsidusiojkjaskjapksopdiuwdyj\xj\iuxayjaxdasioudsydudooirgkotghkkhkekkrlkes?t5pitititiittititiititititiitititititititititkcjisdufwhdcnsjgdcscghsuidfwlyuxutytoihgmnxzcccccccccm,nsdnjkf haqjf hf
08:43<lupine>bad cat
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08:43<alsales>]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]?????????????????????9888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888
08:43<Jasons>!ops alsales is flooding the channel with garbage
08:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jasons complains about: alsales is flooding the channel with garbage
08:43<ricky>!ops
08:43<dpkg>somebody said ops was Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
08:43<ricky>OOps.
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08:45<Myon>!oops
08:45<dpkg>i guess oops is "aw damn, i messesd up and deleted <entry>", or see ksymoops
08:45<Jasons>heh i like that one
08:45<cybe_>Hello. It's like I've got reverse-jack-sense somehow o.O. My laptop's speakers are mute until I plug in some earphones - then both the earphones and the speakers plays sound
08:45<sametch>has anyone upgraded to gnome 2.20
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08:51<wo0f_>nope
08:51<wo0f_>is it in the repo?
08:52<sametch>no, not yet
08:56<wo0f_>=[
08:56<wo0f_>wonder if its in testing
08:56<wo0f_>or unstable
08:56<sametch>they said its stable
08:57<wo0f_>guess we just have to wait
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09:02<peterS>"they" can say what they want. gnome.org-calls-it-stable has nothing much to do with debian-releases-it-in-${foo} for foo in {experimental,unstable,testing}
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09:02<peterS>well, except that the one generally happens before the other
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09:03<sametch>c ya guys
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09:22<Fedemocho23>hello,
09:22<Fedemocho23>i am installing desktp environment for debian,
09:22<Fedemocho23>but the server is not responding,
09:23<Fedemocho23>what´s the file i have to edit to change the server?
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09:24<zambba>/etc/apt/sources.list
09:24<Fedemocho23>ok thanks
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09:32<strcat>hi
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09:33<strcat>When I try to install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx, it wants to remove xorg... I can't use non legacy because I'm using geforce 460MX and it says that it is not suported anymore
09:33<strcat>anyonw can help?
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09:34<jakeriver>is there any good irc clients for mac?
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09:59<aieie>!list
09:59<dpkg>one warez list being sent to aieie
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10:00<Jasons>umm aieie?
10:00<aieie>si
10:00<aieie>ma come si fa
10:00<Jasons>!it
10:00<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
10:00<spanther>lol warez list xD
10:00<aieie>ad aprire la warez list
10:00<Jasons>not that they can help
10:00<spanther>programmer of bot has humor :)
10:00<aieie>che stronzi
10:00<aieie>vabbe
10:00<Jasons>aieie: we're not a warez channel
10:01<Jasons>spanther: i wish it would send them one actually
10:01<aieie>#debian-it
10:01<Jasons>something massive and multiple times would be nice :)
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10:01<yang>!debian-it
10:01<dpkg>i heard debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:02<spanther>funny thing is warez mean stuff but ware is the german word for stuff :> all stuff not only illegal ^^
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10:17<njubi__>hi people. I got a problem installing Skype, Help available in this Deb- channel?
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10:19<njubi__>Are any peolpe online here?
10:19<Jasons>patience njubi__
10:19<njubi__>ok
10:19<Jasons>didnt know skype was in debian
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10:20<njubi__>there is a skype release for debian on the skype homepage (*.deb)
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10:20<padski>njubi__, I beleive skype have an apt repo for debian versions
10:21<padski>deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
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10:21<njubi__>ok, what is a repo?
10:21<padski>repository
10:21<Vakio>Don't use Skype :|
10:23<njubi__>so I would have to pay for Using Skype on Debian?
10:24<padski>money ?
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10:24<Jasons>njubi__: no not that kind of non-free
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10:26<njubi__>I dont get why it woulnt work to install Skype on Debian. Can anybody explain?
10:26<Jasons>njubi__: no one said it wouldnt, in fact padski gave you a repo to get it from
10:27<zambba>just add the "deb http..." line to your sources.list and then you can install Skype with apt-get legally and without any payments
10:27<padski>njubi__, it does work, I have done it. it is easy. it is not recommended because it is a nsty proprietary product and protocol. it will cost you more than money, it will cost you freedom.
10:27<seanius>njubi__: it's more of a philosophical/ethical problem
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10:27<padski>to be fair, I think skype use debian themselves :-)
10:27<Vakio>seanius: I think it's a very much a practical problem.
10:28<padski>so seanius hit the nail on the head :-)
10:28<seanius>Vakio: skype works fine for me
10:28<seanius>but i don't really use it
10:28<njubi__>I tried to install but I get the message: "depends on libqt4-core" and "depends on libqt4-gui"
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10:29<Jasons>njubi__: using the repo from padski ?
10:29<seanius>njubi__: isn't there a "static" or "bundled" version?
10:30<padski>njubi__, it's a gui app. you have a problem installing qt4 ?
10:30<njubi__>it says page not found an reconnects me to the windows version,...
10:30<Jasons>njubi__: add it to your source list
10:30<njubi__>yes, got a problem installing qt4
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10:31<padski>njubi__, you don't want to or can't figure out how to ?
10:32<njubi__>I cant, I am pretty new on debian... sorry
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10:33<padski>no worries. the problem probably starts with: you have downloaded a .deb file but when you attempt dpkg --install foo.deb it says "depends on libfoo". am I right ?
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10:34<njubi__>half right. I have downloaded skype.deb, but when in dpgk skype.deb it tells me that it depends on libqt4
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10:36<padski>yeah. dpkg is a low-level tool. you probably won't ever need to install or remove packages with it. tools like dselect, apt-get or aptitude will resolve the dependencies automatically for you. if you add the skype repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update (or whatever), you will be able to apt-get install skype
10:36<njubi__>i can edit the sources.list, but I cant save it because I am not the owner...
10:37<njubi__>how can I make to save it again?
10:37<padski>njubi__, and then because it is integrated into the package management, you handle upgrades through the same interfaces as the main system.
10:37<njubi__>in the terminal somehow, right?
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10:38<padski>njubi__, you need to have the privileges to edit it, on a stock system that is root
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10:41<padski>njubi__, you might get those by using su or sudo or logging in as root (or perhaps using a suid binary)
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10:44<njubi__>even logged in as ROOT in the Terminal I dont have the rights to edit it
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10:44<Jasons>njubi__: full path or be in the directory that sources.list is
10:44<padski>njubi__, ls -l
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10:48<njubi__>i am logged in as root an type "/etc/apt/sources.list" right?
10:49<njubi__>no rights to edit...
10:49<padski>editor /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:49<DTE>hi all
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10:50<DTE>is it possibile with live-helper to build a live cd from an etch system?
10:50<DTE>like a live cd backup?
10:50<Jasons>njubi__: did you specify an editor?
10:50<padski>alhthough I guess it might be entertaining to make text documents executables that begin #!/usr/bin/editor
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10:51<padski>DTE, you could look under LiveCD and SimpleCDD on the debian wiki
10:51<njubi__>ok, I can edit it, how can I save?
10:52<njubi__>^KX?
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10:52<Jasons>njubi__: depends what editor did you choose?
10:52<njubi__>saved, bingo. Now what to do?
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10:53<padski>in the default, nano, it would be ctrl-o
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10:54<njubi__>ok, but i got the same problem. it tells me: skype depends on libqt4-core and -gui, but they should not be installed...
10:55<Jasons>njubi__: what command did you type to install skype?
10:55<padski>apt-get update && apt-get install skype
10:55<DTE>padski: they look interesting but can i make some kind of backup of an already installed system?
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10:56<padski>DTE, what is it about the installed system which you wish to capture ?
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10:56<DTE>padski: it's a server that i want to replicate on other systems
10:57<njubi__>Debian couldn get the lock from var/lib/apt/lists/lock
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10:57<njubi__>couldnt get the list-index
10:58<msan>I have Atheros chipset for wireless and so am using the madwifi drivers for it (along with wpa_supplicant). I'm tired of the dropped links on the wireless interface, so I plugin my ethernet cable and .... nothing happens ! It doesn't automatically configure the interface at all. I tried to restart /etc/init.d/networking, still nothing. I ended up rebooting my system to get it to see the cable. Any thoughts what I might have missed or don
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10:59<padski>DTE, so most of the action is going to be the contents of /etc and the list of installed packages which you can get with dpkg --get-selections I think
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11:00<padski>DTE, from what you've said it still sounds very much like you want to create a CDD
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11:00<padski>njubi__, are you still root
11:00<njubi__>yes
11:00<DTE>padski: actually the problem is that server is pretty customized (some packages from sources and other things)
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11:01<padski>msan, ifup
11:01<DTE>normally i just make a tar.bz2 and recreate the partition on the other server
11:01<padski>DTE, ah, not a CDD then
11:01<DTE>but i wanted something automatic
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11:01<padski>"automatic" ?
11:02<DTE>something that can make a system image and then give me the possibilitis to install that image
11:02<DTE>if there is
11:02<msan>padski: that doesn't work. Like right now, I'm trying to bring the ath0 interface down using ifdown and it still stays up.
11:02<Jasons>njubi__: the way you orginally tried to install skype, is taht still running?
11:02<msan>padski: I've tried using ifup to bring eth0 up but it will not do anything.
11:03<njubi__>I couldnz get it started because of qt4
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11:04<Vakio>njubi__: but do you still have the program you used for installing running?
11:04<njubi__>well, I have the skype.deb in my home folder,...
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11:04<padski>msan, do you have "allow-hotplug" in /etc/network/interfaces
11:04<njubi__>I used the terminal to try
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11:05<sine>how can i find sonypi in the kernel tree
11:06<sine>cant find it with modconf
11:06<Jasons>njubi__: what command? is it still running?
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11:07<njubi__>well I typed in "dpkg -i skype.deb"
11:08<njubi__>but its not running anymore. I just dont get why qt4 should not be installed...
11:08<Jasons>njubi__: if its not running anymore, try the command padski gave you again
11:08<cahoot>not available for your version of debian?
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11:09<njubi__> apt-get update && apt-get install skype ??
11:09<njubi__>??
11:09<Jasons>yes
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11:10<njubi__>the lock "var/lib/apt/lists/lock" is not available.
11:10<njubi__>cant get a lock on the list-index
11:11<Jasons>done as root?
11:11<njubi__>yes
11:11<njubi__>strange, he?
11:12<simonrvn>something running like dselect aptitude or apt-get or such, or something was, and got stopped somehow
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11:12<padski>I can do that if I run two apt-get update at the same time.
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11:12<padski>njubi__, lsof | grep '/var/lib/apt'
11:12<njubi__>@padski: sorry I dont understant
11:13<padski>njubi__, please type: lsof | grep '/var/lib/apt'
11:13<padski>indeed, cut'n'paste should work :-)
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11:13[~]Jasons wonders if the original install attempt really stopped or did they just close teh term and its still running in the background
11:14<njubi__>with those | | ?
11:14<Jasons>njubi__: yes, just copy and paste that command exactly as padski typed it
11:14<padski>theat | symbol is called a pipe. the grep program will filter the output to show only the lines that match
11:14<paulsen>Does anyone here have experience with Qlogic iSCSI HBA's using etch? I really need to get verified that it actually works before ordering one :)
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11:15<njubi__>"Isof command not found"
11:16<Jasons>its an l not an i
11:16<padski>njubi__, it begins with a lower case L
11:16<njubi__>oh
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11:16<padski>as in Lima capital of Peru
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11:16<padski>njubi__, I think is is short for "list of open files"
11:17<msan>padski: yes I've got allow-hotplug for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
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11:17<njubi__>apt-get 8252 root 5uW REG 8,1 0 17367179 /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
11:17<Vakio>The man page says "lsof - list open files".
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11:18<Jasons>heh looks like i win :)
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11:22<seanius>paulsen: is this for a dell server by any chance?
11:22<paulsen>seanius: nay
11:22<paulsen>seanius: but its standard intel industry server, so it doesnt matter really. why?
11:23<seanius>okay. was going to suggest asking on the linux-poweredge list if you said yes, there's a good number of debian poweredge admins on it
11:23<njubi__>more ideas?
11:23<seanius>and iirc dell sells qlogic hba's
11:23<padski>njubi__, so there is an apt-get still running somewhere which has that lock.
11:23<njubi__>mabe the debian updater?
11:23<lupine>padski: or an apt-get was unexpectedly teminated
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11:24<padski>lupine, and it still has a pid because ... ?
11:24<paulsen>seanius: yeah both dell and EMC (wich dell uses) sells Qlogic hbas, problem is that they only officially support RHEL/SLES
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11:24<lupine>kill -9 $SELF
11:24<lupine>d'oh :D
11:24<njubi__>the debain updater doesnt let me to make an update. it says: the software index is broken
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11:25<seanius>paulsen: yeah... "officially" being a key word here. however there's quite a bit of knowledge on that list which is a close second to "official" support
11:25<njubi__>should I make a reboot?
11:25<seanius>but it's all moot if you're not using dell
11:25<njubi__>would that help?
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11:26<padski>njubi__, that's the cheats way out ;-)
11:26<padski>njubi__, you could stop that apt-get.
11:26<njubi__>ist it? Would it work?
11:27<njubi__>how?
11:27<njubi__>how can i stop that?
11:28<sine>when i do man somthing whenever i press q got quit it says reformatting, why ?
11:28<padski>njubi__, assuming you ran it from a terminal, you could find that terminal. that would have the advantage that you could look at it and understand what you were doing. but you could use kill
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11:29<njubi__>I just have one terminal open... what yould I have to search for in there?
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11:33<fxiny>sine: man man
11:33<fxiny>:)
11:33<sine>lol
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11:34<sine>so true
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11:39[~]fxiny wonders what "tractor beams that produce miniscule piconewton forces" are . ref "a *kd* list" .
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11:43<MrStein>Hi! Are there known issues with networking in the startup scripts ? I have /etc/rc2.d/S16openvpn failing to set up the route and rxvt in /etc/rc.local failing to connect to the X server (not on VPN net, but local)
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11:44<MrStein>"/etc/init.d/openvpn restart" works fine, also running /etc/rc.local manually. They just don't work during startup
11:44<Myon>for rc.local, I guess the X server isn't running yet
11:45<Myon>consider using ~/.xsession instead
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11:48<knoppix_>joijojp
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11:52<MrStein>Myon: yes, X is running
11:52<MrStein>for sure
11:52<MrStein>it is not on the same machine
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11:54<paulsen>seanius: thanks, ill try to check it out.
11:54<Myon>VPNs tend to need some time to start, maybe it just runs too fast
11:55<MrStein>Myon: the X connection does not go over VPN
11:55<MrStein>I will try both issues separate
11:55[~]MrStein is rebooting
11:55<MrStein>ciao
11:55<MrStein>bbl
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11:56<sine>debian:/home/sine# grep -i sony /boot/config-$(uname -r)
11:56<sine>CONFIG_SONYPI=m
11:56<sine>does that mean i hve sonypi installed i cant find it its not running and its not in modconf
11:58<padski>sine, it seems to say that sonypi was built as a module. tried modprobe sonypi ?
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11:58<sine>nothing
11:58<sine>just newline
11:58<padski>lsmod | grep sony
11:59<sine>which to a newb is more confusing than an error
11:59<padski>sine, but on unix no error generally means no error
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11:59<sine>debian:/home/sine# lsmod | grep sony
11:59<sine>sonypi 20700 0
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12:00<padski>sine, if you add the verbose flag it will tell you more. that would be modprobe -v foo
12:00<padski>sine, so you have the module loaded
12:00<sine>debian:/home/sine# modprobe -v sonypi
12:00<sine>debian:/home/sine#
12:01<padski>sine, and you know how to load it and check wether it is loaded. you mighht need to add it to a list of modules to load at boot or it might just happen automagically
12:01<sine>what is the list that loads mod.conf ? at a guess
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12:02<padski>sine that is because it is already loaded :-) try modprobe -v xfs to see what I mean.
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12:03<padski>sine, modprobe.conf, but it's a directory in debian (modprobe.d). I think you can eihter add the file, or add a file in the directory
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12:03<padski>best check
12:03<sine>debian:/home/sine# modprobe -v xfs
12:03<sine>insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.ko
12:03<Bolly>hey guys, does anyone know of a bootable iso of any form of linux that has aircrack bundled with it and is relatively small? (i'm on dialup)
12:03<padski>sine, see that is the verbose mode :-)
12:04<sine>ok cool
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12:04<sine>so that module is not loaded
12:06<padski>sine, xfs ? that is loaded now. rmmod to unload.
12:06<sine>ok so if sonypi is loaded how can i not see any info
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12:07<petemc>sine: look in dmesg or /var/log/messages
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12:08<padski>I gotta go.
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12:09<john>hi folks.... question, lets say I have 3 users larry,darryl, and darlene that I do not want to be able to log in via ssh,ftp, or any other way, but I do want them to be able to pop3 mail and be recognized by the system as users so mail comes through.... I have looked far and near on how to do this and can not figure how
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12:09<petemc>john: you would want to look into how your mta and pop3d handles virtual users
12:11<john>petemc, I finally got mail working right, was kinda thinking of not messing with it, thinking mabey making them only part of mail group somehow.... but didnt know if that would work
12:11<petemc>it wouldnt
12:11<john>balls
12:11<petemc>ssh has an option to only allow certain users
12:12<petemc>and you can do things like set their login shell to /bin/false in /etc/passwd
12:12<petemc>but, you would really want to be using virtual users
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12:12<john>hey that would work right? setting it to /bin/false would not allow them to log in via ftp and ssh
12:13<jMCg>john: not via ssh. They still could login via ftp -- unless you have restrictions ala pam_shells.so
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12:14<petemc>john: where is your mta configured to deliver their mail to?
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12:14<john>petemc, the only reason virtual users and hosts for mail is something I am trying to avoid is that from what I saw it requires exim4,mysql, and a few other toys set up just right... I did away with exim and tried postfix , you remember all the problems I had
12:14<petemc>it doesnt require mysql
12:15<petemc>oh, right, i remember now
12:15<jMCg>You can use any kind of DB you want.
12:15<petemc>you dont have to use a db at all
12:15<petemc>you can use flat passwd type files
12:15<jMCg>ldap, PostgreSQL, SQLite, etc...
12:15<john>now I am confused
12:15<jMCg>...flat files -- of course.. can be seen as database. If MySQL can be considered a DB, then why not consider flat files a db too :P
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12:16<petemc>because its a flat file, not a db
12:16<john>ok let me read this about flat files brb
12:16<jMCg>flat file + grep + sed > MySQL
12:17<petemc>sed would obviate the need for grep
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12:28<kevinl>hello
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12:33<paulsen>E: Package kernel-source-2.6.8 has no installation candidate
12:33<paulsen>hmpf
12:33<paulsen>help!
12:33<paulsen>:(
12:34<seanius>paulsen: what release are you using
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12:34<paulsen>etch
12:34<seanius>then don't you want 2.6.18 ? :)
12:35<paulsen>doesnt seem to be a 2.6.18 package with source
12:35<paulsen>+s
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12:35<MrStein>is networking blocked for a while during startup ?
12:36<MrStein>I have this in /etc/rc.local : su stein -c "cd ; DISPLAY=192.168.209.2:0.0 rxvt -ls"
12:36<MrStein>it fails, unless I prepend a sleep (5-10 seconds
12:36<seanius>paulsen: linux-source-2.6.18 is what you want i think
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12:37<seanius>MrStein: it's probably just that your X session hasn't fully started yet
12:37<kevinl>is there any aufs support in lenny A?
12:37<MrStein>seanius: the X server is running. 100%
12:37<kevinl>module or kernel rebuild ?
12:38<paulsen>kevinl: me? trying to build a 3rd party module who needs kernel sources
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12:39<seanius>paulsen: oh, you don't need the full sources then, probably
12:39<seanius>you want linux-headers-2.6.18 then
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12:42<paulsen>the software im trying to compile is looking for /modules/2.6.18-5/build
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12:42<paulsen>wich doesnt exist
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12:43<paulsen>and other guides that i've read links build to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.x
12:43<seanius>paulsen: have you tried with the kernel headers?
12:43<seanius>what's the module btw?
12:43<paulsen>lets try
12:44<paulsen>its a qlogic hba module
12:44<linux>no
12:44<paulsen>downloaded from their site
12:44<linux>how are you
12:44<dpkg>linux: you know how it is...
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12:46<linux>no
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12:47<linux>#flood
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12:53<paulsen>ok, the kernel headers package isnt enough
12:53<paulsen>should I just download the linux sources from kernel.org then?
12:54<paulsen>... aha
12:54<paulsen>linux-source, not kernel-source :D
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13:02<sup3rfly>i have two NICs, different IPs (eth0 172.30.x.x and eth1 10.x.x.x). Right now, all outbound traffic (ping, traceroute, etc) goes out through eth0. Is it possible to make the default route eth1?
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13:04<chealer>sup3rfly: yes
13:04<E0x>sup3rfly: man route
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13:07<sup3rfly>interesting
13:07<sup3rfly>has two default routes
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13:08<E0x>only one can be default
13:08<E0x>the with G
13:08<E0x>flag
13:09<E0x>that is your default route
13:09<sup3rfly>default 10.144.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1
13:09<sup3rfly>default uslv-a2dc-cat40 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
13:09<sup3rfly>do a route del default gw uslv-a2dc-cat40?
13:10<E0x>do route -n
13:11<sup3rfly>0.0.0.0 10.144.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1
13:11<sup3rfly>0.0.0.0 172.30.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
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13:11<sup3rfly>fixed, removed the 172.30.1.1
13:12<sup3rfly>thanks
13:12<E0x>ok
13:13<seanius>paulsen: that's really wierd, it ought to be...
13:14<paulsen>yep.
13:14<seanius>it might be that you need to set a symlink or env variable to hint the build stuff where to find the headers
13:14<paulsen>oxylon:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5# find .|grep script
13:14<paulsen>oxylon:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5#
13:15<paulsen>I installed linux-source-2.6.18
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13:15<paulsen>it has the script folder
13:15<paulsen>now the build stops at "/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory"
13:15<paulsen>trying to google it, all results say that the kernel source isnt properly prepared :<
13:15<seanius>paulsen: well in any event don't forget to configure the kernel source b efore you build against it
13:16<paulsen>yar.
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13:16<paulsen>I've copied the config from /boot over to the src folder and named it .config
13:16<seanius>take /boot/config-`uname -r` and plop it in /usr/s...
13:16<paulsen>any other steps I should perform?
13:16<seanius>make oldconfig i guess
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13:16<seanius>it's been a while since i've needed to do this :)
13:17<paulsen>same here ><
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13:17<paulsen>still poops out at modpost error
13:17<paulsen>after doing make oldconfig
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13:18<seanius>google hints that there's a "make scripts" too?
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13:20<paulsen>A-HA!
13:20<paulsen>:D
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13:21<seanius>paulsen: but the headers package contains scripts too...
13:21<paulsen>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 315259 2007-09-20 20:21 /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/qla4xxx/qla4xxx.ko
13:21<paulsen>\o/
13:21<paulsen>seanius: mine doesnt :(
13:21<seanius>look in linux-headers-$version-$arch
13:23<paulsen>oh
13:23<paulsen>the arch package is totally different
13:23<seanius>yeah...
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13:27<paulsen>oxylon:~/5.01.00.08# lsmod | grep qla
13:27<paulsen>qla4xxx 244540 0
13:27<paulsen>scsi_mod 124168 9 qla4xxx,ib_iser,iscsi_tcp,libiscsi,scsi_transport_iscsi,sd_mod,mptspi,mptscsih,scsi_transport_spi
13:27<paulsen>:-D
13:27<paulsen>qla4xxx: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
13:28<paulsen>oops?
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13:29<paulsen>nevermind, just the gnu living inside linux making sure i know that this isnt gpl'ed module
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13:30<paulsen>how do I make the kernel load that module on each boot?
13:31<seanius>paulsen: do you need it *to* boot?
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13:32<paulsen>no
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13:32<paulsen>but the services needs it
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13:32<seanius>if it doesn't come up by default, then just echo modulename >> /etc/modules
13:32<paulsen>this module is for iSCSI communication, so the system is going to mount a volume via fstab during boot
13:32<paulsen>the module needs to be loaded before that
13:32<paulsen>ok
13:33<seanius>as long as it's not the root fs you shouldn't need to do anything else
13:33<seanius>assuming there aren't any scary proprietary daemons that also need to be running
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13:34<paulsen>nah its just mount of a SAN volume with a ton of images that mysql and apache uses
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13:37<paulsen>seanius: thanks again for the help!
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13:39<seanius>np :)
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13:54<dkr>what is the point of splitting 127.0.1.1 (with host.domain I entered during install) v 127.0.0.1 (localhost) in default hosts setup?
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13:57<dkr>I was trying to figure out why hostname -f doesn't work bydefault. I guess because install process has no way to know what your real ip is going to be yet
13:57<dkr>seems like i tmight be more sane to not make an entry in /etc/hosts at all. o dns will be used
13:58<dkr>s/o/so/
13:58<dkr>assuming the fqdn refers to localhost instead of external ip of the amchine doesn't seem bright. perhaps I am missing something, though, :)
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14:04<dondelelcaro>dkr: the external ip of the machine isn't guaranteed to be up
14:05<dondelelcaro>dkr: nor is it guaranteed to be a static address
14:05<dondelelcaro>(and having the FQDN resolve to localhost locally usually isn't a problem)
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14:07<dkr>nod, I usually edit /etc/hosts myself. just didn't happen to this time, whcih is why issues occured
14:07[~]dkr is trying to get gforge working. it's not easy. :)
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14:08<dkr>for some reason I thought a fresh etch install might make the gforge install work automagically, but seems to be some bugs in the deb config scripts
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14:15<ErJeDi>hi
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14:15[~]gcosmin aloha all
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14:41<rbaldwin>I'm running i386 on amd64 architecture, the machine has 2GB memory install, which shows at bios post time, but free -m says I have 884 M, anyone have any ideas as to what's wrong? Kernel is 2.6.22.6
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14:43<dli>rbaldwin, you have to enable himem-4gb
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14:53<samgee>has anyone ever tried running KDE screensavers with gnome-screensaver?
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14:56<rbaldwin>thanks, I went back into my kernel config and saw that himem hadn't been enabled, so that probably will have fixed my problem.
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15:06<kevinl>what is the correct command to make a kernel package?
15:06<kevinl>i am in top level of kernel source, having applied some patches
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15:09<chealer>!tell kevinl about kp
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15:11<kevinl>thanks chea
15:11<kevinl>ler
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15:13<juri>hi all , please, how can i add a unstable repozitori to debian testing ?
15:14<Jasons>juri: please don't do that
15:14<juri>why ? i want try new gnome
15:14<Jasons>juri: well other then the fact that mixing matching is a quick way to break your box?
15:15<juri>okey okey is an other way to install new gnome ?
15:15<Jasons>!bobbit
15:15<Jasons>doh
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15:15<juri>!bobbit
15:16<juri>is ?
15:16<streuner>dpkg, wake up lazy bitch!
15:16<juri>streuner: its on me ?
15:16<Jasons>there is a bobbit one right?
15:16<streuner>yes
15:17<juri>streuner : :) have you an idea how to install new gnome ?
15:17<Jasons>phew, least its not me
15:17<streuner>but "bobbitt"
15:17<streuner>juri: apt-get install gnome?
15:17<Jasons>!bobbitt
15:17<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro".
15:17<Jasons>ahh there we go
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15:18<juri>but i cant download an package because hes only in repozitoryes
15:19<rbaldwin>Juri, yes, you can, you can get the from the debian website if you search the packages, you automatically get all the dependencies, though
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15:19<kevinl>does copying /boot/configXXXDXX to your kernel source dir and running make-oldconfig import the settings from the kernel you are running?
15:19<Vakio>But unstable doesn't have the new Gnome yet, does it?
15:20<kevinl>so when you build you are starting with the same config you have ?
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15:20<rocunreal>i got compiz-fusion installed but i have no idea how to use it can anyone help me?
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15:21<juri>its fucked
15:21<juri>i go on archlinux
15:22<juri>debians apt-get sux
15:22<juri>hi all
15:22<Eulex>no ,u
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15:23<Jasons>juri: actually it doesnt suck at all
15:23<Jasons>juri: you just dont understand how debian works it's releases is all
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15:24<juri>yes i understand , but in archs repozitories is all all :) , and pacman is best
15:25<Jasons>juri: then you dont understand
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15:26<Eulex>juri, basically, the newest gnome is only in unstable, and you shouldn't run unstable if you don't know how to handle debian well. and even then, it might still break sometimes. also, what is in the repos has absolutely _nothing_ to do with the package management tools.
15:26<renate_>hi there. Is mp3 support in xine disabled per default? xine --bug-report claims that no demuxxer for mp3 was found...
15:26<juri>yes yes iam a lamer
15:26<Jasons>juri: never said that
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15:30<renate_>doesn't anybody know whether xine can handle mp3-files per default?
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15:51<valdyn>renate_: you probably need to install libmad0
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15:54<valdyn>renate_: nevermind, it does not seem to be libmad0, howver it can play mp3 files just fine
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16:18<hachi>how can I find out what packages are in the 'laptop' software set?
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16:19<hachi>I don't see a package that depends on all the stuff it's going to install... so I'm not sure where else to look
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16:32<padski>is there an easy way to print the copyright notices from png files at the commandline ?
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16:38<padski>padski, pnginfo in pngtools seems to do that
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16:44<dkr>cool, can run debian on neo1973 http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/post/jan/2007-08-26/debian-neo1973
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16:47<amphi>dkr: nice
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17:02<crozz|work>Hi...anyone knows if there are driver for Visualize FXe Graphic Card to Debian Especially for "startx"
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17:02<crozz|work>this is a B2000
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17:06<kevinl>hello
17:06<kevinl>i just make'd a kernel that I patched with some things
17:07<kevinl>now I am in the kerenl source dir, after a succesful compile, how to make a package?
17:07<kevinl>make-kpkg is telling me nothing to be done
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17:11<dli>!tell kevinl about kp
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17:15<ErJeDi>good night to all people
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17:20<tropcky>need help plez
17:20<tropcky>i am using now icewm in ubuntu
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17:20<tropcky>and now it become more like poooooor kde
17:21<tropcky>i wanna make it like gnome and see all the all my program
17:21<tropcky>any one ?
17:22<seanius>!ubuntu
17:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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17:23<tropcky>oky thank u
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17:24<hachi>when debian is booting it says 'kinit' and some stuff about no restore happening. I assume this is some sort of suspend to disk system, but I don't know which one it is. Where can I find info?
17:24<hachi>also, the tasksel choice for 'laptop'... how can I find out what packages it will install?
17:24<tropcky>man #ubuntu are sleeping or some thing like that
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17:25<chealer>hachi: $ tasksel --task-packages laptop
17:26<hachi>ahh, and that answered my first question as well
17:26<hachi>uswsusp
17:27<tropcky>oky plez how to make print screen from terminal
17:27<tropcky>?
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17:28<tropcky> how to make print screen from terminal
17:28<tropcky> how to make print screen from terminal
17:28<tropcky>sorry
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17:29<chealer>tropcky: do you use Debian?
17:29<tropcky>no but the #ubuntu are so dem dead
17:29<tropcky>no body ther
17:29<tropcky>plez i need thes
17:29<klys>tropcky: look into cupsys-bsd
17:30<klys>tropcky: see the lp and lpr commands
17:30<tropcky>i dont know what talkin about
17:30<chealer>tropcky: wrong channel.
17:30<tropcky>i am jus a real new user fir linux
17:30<chealer>!tell tropcky about ubuntu
17:30<klys>tropcky: you should at least pretend to be able to look it up
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17:31<chealer>oh, sorry
17:32<tropcky>oky
17:32<tropcky>sorry
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17:32<sssvi01>if a program (web server) is written for single processor system, is there any way to detect (in runtime) that which part of that program can be calculated in parallel time?
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17:34<lupine>sssvi01: you want an automagic threadsafe converter? I can't see it happening
17:34<sssvi01>why?
17:35<lupine>because detecting race conditions is Hard(tm)
17:35<lupine>that said, most web servers are threaded (or use multiple processes) anyway
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17:36<sssvi01>let consider a simple calculator then?
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17:37<sssvi01>or photoshop like software
17:37<lupine>again, it's unlikely to happen
17:38<lupine>you'd have to consider every possible input (from every source), for every possible internal state of the program
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17:39<sssvi01>i understand lupine ;-)
17:40<Power|LaP>hey guys, i just install Debian on my friend laptop, and unfortunatly he doesnt remember the password he puted for his normal user and we'd like to know how we can change a password for a specific user under console without the user password
17:40<lupine>Power|LaP: as root, passwd <username>
17:41<Power|LaP>and it wont ask for his hold password?
17:41<Power|LaP>the "current"
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17:41<lupine>it won't ask for the user password
17:41<Power|LaP>sweet thx again lupine
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17:43<soenke>hi dudes
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17:45<soenke>some simple question. i have the suspicion that my x server uses emulation because it's not the fastest although it's a brand new notebook. xorg.conf has fglrx as driver, that should be suitable for the radeon card
17:45<sssvi01>lupine: which ssi system is best?
17:45<soenke>but i don't know where to check whether the driver is right ...
17:46<lupine>ssi system?
17:46<sssvi01>yes
17:47<lupine>I don't know what that is
17:48<sssvi01>it is single source image system (cluster)?
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17:50<lupine>I have no experience with them, so can't tell you which is the best
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17:57<sssvi01>lupine: if u dont mind can i ask u ur expertises ;-)
17:57<lupine>it's best to ask the channel in general
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17:58<escay>hi folks - is there a german debian channel available?
17:58<lupine>!de
17:58<dpkg>from memory, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
17:58<escay>thx
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18:00<sssvi01>how to see the demon list in debian ?
18:01<sssvi01>i mean which program are loaded at boot time?
18:04<dondelelcaro>sssvi01: ls -l /etc/rcS.d /etc/rc2.d/
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18:04<petemc>!rfp
18:04<dpkg>well, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: "
18:04<petemc>gah, wrong channel
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18:12<pablum>so, how 'bout those euro watchdogs
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18:23<escay>anyone here who knows how to set up a pdc with ldap and samba?
18:24<escay>i got stuck with the configuration..
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18:41<troubled>dondelelcaro: added a +s flag to svn on the bot if your interested in it in my branch. works with tim's +silent
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19:17<cfusting>I'm having trouble getting etch to configure the package manager with the i38g netinstall cd I burned. It always freezes after I select the mirror. has this problem been documented and resolved?
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19:20<troubled>cfusting: the whole machine locks up hard? or can you say switch to the log tty and look for an error msg?
19:20<wo0f>!ati
19:20<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05.
19:21<cfusting>troubled: It appears the system locks up. However I may not have tried the correct key combination.
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19:22<wo0f>is there a package for the ati control panel at all?
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19:22<cfusting>troubled: I'm trying to work around the issue by using the expert install and setting up the mirror before the install\
19:23<troubled>cfusting: your trying to use a custom mirror for install?
19:24<cfusting>troubled: Not exactly, I chose "setup install mirror" as an advanced install option before the package manager is configured to try and avoid the issue. It looks like to read the mirror correctly.
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19:27<miksuh>wo0f: # apt-get install fglrx-control
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19:27<miksuh>wo0f: it's in non-free ofcourse
19:28<wo0f>miksuh, ah, thanks mate.
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19:37<cfusting>troubled: It froze again when configuring the package manager
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19:37<troubled>cfusting: completly? as in no caps locks, no sysrq, no C-A-D etc?
19:37<cfusting>troubled: Caps lock turns the keyboard light on
19:38<troubled>cfusting: can you switch to another tty and look at the log?
19:38<cfusting>troubled: is it still alt-f1-9?
19:39<troubled>cfusting: not sure what the tty allocation is like these days. but try it. i usually just alt-leftarrow
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19:39<cfusting>troubled: No luck
19:40<troubled>cfusting: cant switch tty's at all? even with ctrl-alt-fX?
19:40<cfusting>troubled: Yes! I'm in console
19:40<troubled>!dance
19:40[~]dpkg gets jiggy wit it
19:42<cfusting>troubled: ok I see "DEBUG: command wget (and then all the options)"
19:42<cfusting>troubled: Then it shows me opening a new console
19:42<cfusting>troubled: So I'm guessing its stuck on wget
19:42<troubled>cfusting: any obvious errors?
19:43<cfusting>troubled: hmm, a new wget command just showed up, maybe its just working very slow?
19:43<troubled>cfusting: try some network queries. pings, ifconfig etc. see if everything is up ok. probably just wget trying over and over a few times
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19:45<cfusting>troubled: it doesn't have a ping command, but ifconfig shows everything is playing nice
19:45<cfusting>troubled: I should point out the specific wget command has changed three times
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19:46<troubled>cfusting: what sort of changes are we talking here?
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19:46<cfusting>troubled: Its wget - ing different things and then grep - ing to different files
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19:48<cfusting>troubled: by the way how do I return to the gui screen?
19:48<troubled>cfusting: ctrl-alt-f1
19:48<troubled>oh sorry, gui? f6 or f7
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19:50<cfusting>troubled: its on to the next step!
19:50<cfusting>apt: dance
19:50[~]cfusting has forgotten the apt commands after 10 years
19:50<troubled>:/
19:51<cfusting>Last I used debian I was on potato
19:51<cfusting>;)
19:52<Supaplex>cfusting: that's when I first used it :)
19:52<cfusting>Supaplex: Good to hear!
19:53[~]Supaplex <3's it ever since
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19:53[~]cfusting had to load his eth cad drivers during install from a floppy (seemed hard in 6th grade...)
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20:00<cfusting>troubled: Thanks for your help!
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20:01<troubled>now what did I do?
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20:16<mikkie>hello
20:16<mikkie>how to install rpm package?
20:16<mikkie>in text-mode?
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20:17<julian>i think its rpm -i package
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20:18<jclinton>mikkie: this is debian, rpm packages should be converted to dpkg format using alien
20:19<jclinton>mikkie: "aptitude install alien"
20:19<mikkie>how
20:19<jclinton>mikkie: "alien --scripts packagename.rpm"
20:19<jclinton>mikkie: "dpkg -i packagename.deb"
20:21<julian>mikkie: use this rpm -i package.rpm .. the problem are the libs that need the package
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20:23<mikkie>i did the alien script
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20:25<julian>Anybody knows why the web browser firefox works in a shell and not when do click in the icon
20:25<mikkie>http://nopaste.info/4500ac5132.html
20:25<mikkie>whats that?
20:27<Power|LaP>another question for you guys: how do i give right to a user to upload/delete for my web site on /var/www/apache2-default/
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20:28<mikkie>jclinton?
20:28<dondelelcaro>Power|LaP: have the user in the group that owns those directories and have the directories g+ws
20:28<tropcky>guys i know i i have to go to ubuntu chanel but ther is no one ther and i really need help with icewm
20:28<tropcky>so can u help me ?
20:29<dondelelcaro>tropcky: the #ubuntu channel on freenode is the place to get help; otherwise try #icewm there
20:29<tropcky>oky
20:29<tropcky>thanks
20:29<Power|LaP>dondelelcaro how do i know who's the user that owns those dir and put him on that group
20:29<mikkie>anybody an idea? http://nopaste.info/4500ac5132.html
20:29<dondelelcaro>Power|LaP: ls -l or stat will tell you
20:30<tropcky>ther is no #icewm
20:30<dondelelcaro>tropcky: this is oftc, not freenode.
20:30<troubled>Power|LaP: www-data is what apache runs as btw
20:30<tropcky>oh oky
20:31<Power|LaP>root own it so i have to give thats account root right?
20:31<tropcky>sorry i cany make it
20:31<tropcky>tell how 2 go ther
20:31<troubled>Power|LaP: no
20:32<Power|LaP>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-09-18 14:43 apache2-default
20:32<troubled>Power|LaP: chgrp www-data /whatever/dir/you/want/uploads/to/go/to
20:32<troubled>then chmod g+ws it
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20:34<Power|LaP>and the guy that will use ftp will use what as account to upload there?
20:35<troubled>Power|LaP: well, i suppose it depends how you want to get the files there. we assume your using apache post to upload files to a dir you setup in apache. but if its ftp, then just make sure then get get to the dir and chgrp it to that users group
20:36<Power|LaP>ho
20:36<troubled>Power|LaP: that or symlink to the users home dir is a better solution so you can maintain ftp chroot's. then jjust make sure apache has access to his home dir
20:36<Power|LaP>so if i make a dir called mike
20:36<Power|LaP>i do chgrp whateveraccount /var/www/apache-default/mike
20:36<troubled>that works
20:37<troubled>then just make sure your ftp is setup to be allowed in that dir, and make sure its writable by that account
20:37<Power|LaP>and then do chmod g+ws /var/www/apache-default/mike
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20:37<dizasta>aloha
20:37<Power|LaP>but if i g+ws the dir
20:37<Power|LaP>the guy will be able to?
20:38<Power|LaP>create delete what ever he want to
20:38<Power|LaP>in that dir
20:38<dizasta>whats the best mailing list manger ?
20:38<troubled>provided his owns the files in that dir, yes
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21:21<jasont308>hi all. anyone had any luck installing orca on debian4??
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21:23<jasont308>I'm trying to install it on this system but having no luck as of yet.
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21:38<jasont308>hello??
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21:42<jclinton>jasont308: never used orca, perhaps you should be more specific with your problem.
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21:48<hachi>I'm trying to pair my phone with a debian machine, but I can't find how to get a passkey-agent running
21:48<hachi>I don't see anything in the docs for bluez-utils or whatnot
21:48<hachi>nor can I find the magic binary 'bluez-pin'
21:49<hachi>anyone have any suggestions?
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21:49<hachi>all the howtos on the internet are for bluez-utils 2, and debian is using 3
21:51<gsimmons_>!bluetooth
21:51<dpkg>it has been said that bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser
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21:52<hachi>oooh, thanks
21:53<gsimmons_>hachi: The passkey agents are briefly described in the wiki page.
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21:53<hachi>yeah, I see that
21:53<hachi>enough to get me started
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21:53<lubos>can I change xorg's default image.. I do not want that gray one...
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21:57<lupine>lubos: see xsetroot
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21:58<Power|LaP>anyone know about vino?
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21:59<Power|LaP>id like to know how i can enable it or start it so it listen
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22:24<maxamillion>is anyone familiar with how to get the network-manager-pptp plugin working on etch? ... i can't seem to find docs anywhere
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22:27<lubos>lupine: thanks ...
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22:56<luciano>hi all
22:57<luciano>i am trying to create an debian etch installation using debootstrap
22:57<luciano>but i am having problems with libc6, ..
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22:58<luciano>it said that it could not open /dev/initctl,
22:58<luciano>anyone can help?
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23:00[~]klys might try
23:01<klys>grep initctl etc/init.d/*
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23:05<Power|LaP>is it possible to log on a linux machine via VNC from a windows machine?
23:05<SnoopJeDi>Anybody using ipw3945 with lenny? I'm rather in the dark as to the install process.
23:05<klys>yes
23:05<klys>as to vncviewer -shared -fulscreen
23:05<klys>s/l/ll/
23:06<Power|LaP>wich one i should install for linux and wich viewer for windows are the most matchable?
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23:07<klys>sorry about that
23:07<klys>http://test.saurik.com/tools/vncviewer.exe
23:08<luciano>it popped 2 lines, ..
23:08<luciano>/etc/init.d/mountall.sh: INITCTL=/dev/initctl
23:08<luciano>/etc/init.d/mountall.sh: # /dev/initctl is there.
23:08<luciano>what this command does?
23:08|-|luciano kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
23:08<Power|LaP>klys allright as for windows, but what about linux?
23:09<klys>powerlap: use directvnc (not entirely stable) or (ask me about my scrollwheel hack) svncviewer
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23:12<SnoopJeDi>Anybody using ipw3945 for wireless?
23:12<Power|LaP>klys when directvnc is installed how do i config it?
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23:12<mamar>Hello
23:12<klys>power|lap: vncpasswd, and run it like directvnc -fullscreen -passwd <yourpasswd> :1
23:13<klys>hil
23:14<peterrooney>whack question: is it possible to have raid-0 mounted on / and ata mounted on /boot ?
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23:15<klys>raid-0 is striping, though I would assume so
23:15<peterrooney>whoops cycled.
23:15<peterrooney>thank you, klys.
23:15<Power|LaP>bash: vncpasswd: command not found
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23:16<klys>power|lap: apt-get install vncserver; vncpasswd; vncserver :1 -geometry 1152x864 -depth 16
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23:18<Power|LaP>i can chance the 1152x864 for what i use on the pc i want to access with?
23:18<Power|LaP>change
23:18<klys>oh, this would be the pc you use it with
23:18<Power|LaP>ok
23:18<klys>otherwise just do directvnc host:0
23:19<Power|LaP>from my windows pc with ssh?
23:19<klys>well, not with ssh
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23:20<klys>you need a terminal capable of graphics, so if you just have ssh do DISPLAY=host:0 xhost +server; DISPLAY=host:0 xvncviewer host:0
23:20<klys>if you get what I'm saying, the first part is from the initial host with access to itself
23:21<Power|LaP>yeah i got my debianbox just next to me
23:21<Power|LaP>and my lap with vista
23:21<Power|LaP>what i want to do is monitor on my linuxbox from my laptop
23:21<klys>so, if you're running winvnc and can access it with vncviewer.exe, try it the same way with directvnc (if fbset works from a tty)
23:22<klys>or
23:22<klys>to monitor a debian system, follow the vncserver instructions I posted
23:23<PowerUser>apt-get install vncserver; vncpasswd; vncserver :1 -geometry 1152x864 -depth 16
23:23<PowerUser>this one?
23:23<PowerUser>is the command i want to do as root in console
23:23<klys>yeah, if I type in a command, you probably want to remember it somewhere
23:24<klys>any commands separated by ; are separate and may be run sequentially
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23:25<PowerUser>ok i did the apt-get install vncserver; vncpasswd; vncserver :1 -geometry 1152x864 -depth 16
23:25<PowerUser>password is set and done installing
23:26<klys>and you have a display now on :1
23:26<PowerUser>yup
23:26<PowerUser>apt-get install vncserver; vncpasswd; vncserver :1 -geometry 1152x864 -depth 16
23:26<PowerUser>sorry
23:26<PowerUser>New 'X' desktop is DebianBox:1
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23:26<klys>so, try vncviewer.exe -fullscreen -shared host:1
23:28<PowerUser>i do this as root again?
23:28<klys>of course, host would refer to the IP of the debian system
23:28<PowerUser>DebianBox:/home/mike# vncviewer.exe -fullscreen -shared host:1
23:28<PowerUser>bash: vncviewer.exe: command not found
23:28<PowerUser>DebianBox:/home/mike#
23:28<klys>you say you have vista to do this with, so
23:29<klys>get vncviewer.exe and make sure it's in your path when you run the command
23:29<PowerUser>but runing a .exe under debian?
23:29<klys>of course an .exe will only run from a win32 environment
23:29<klys>if you want directvnc,test it with fbset first
23:30<klys>and if you want to share the display, make sure that both vncviewer and directvnc know about -shared
23:30<PowerUser>ok i think i confused you
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23:31<PowerUser>what i want i seeing my debianbox from my windows machine
23:31<klys>right, so use vncviewer.exe as explained
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23:32<klys>you may need to make a .bat file
23:33<PowerUser>on my laptop opening vncviewer.exe then in the host spot typing: -fullscreen -shared host:1
23:33<klys>it would be or start in the same directory as vncviewer.exe
23:33<klys>no, the host spot is for after it knows about this
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23:33<klys>it won't even ask you about "host"
23:33<klys>just about your vncpasswd
23:34<PowerUser>ok but where do i type -fullscreen -shared host:1
23:34<klys>in vnc.bat
23:34<klys>open it with notepad, first line is @echo off
23:34<PowerUser>ok so i have to create a .bat file called vnc.bat
23:34<klys>what you call it is totally up to you, though it should contain the command
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23:35<klys>remember to replace host with the appropriate ip as explained
23:36<hachi>I'm trying to get ipw2200 running in debian linux, so I download the firmware, but it doesn't work when I put the firmware in /lib/firmware or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware
23:36<klys>it should have two lines
23:36<klys>~doesn't work
23:36<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
23:36<hachi>I don't really know how to hook in and see the firmware load request from the kernel cause I can't find anything 'firmware*' in my path
23:36<hachi>any hints?
23:36<klys>dmesg | tail "
23:37<klys>lose the "
23:38<klys>check for the device in /proc/bus and /sys/bus
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23:41<klys>simply placing the file in the appropriate path does not cause the firmware to be loaded. you probably need something from /etc/init.d/*
23:41<hachi>that's not what the kernel docs say
23:42<hachi>it looks like /lib/udev/firmware.agent isn't getting called
23:42<klys>well, unless something is monitoring the path with libfam and loading everything that gets put there, I doubt t
23:42<hachi>I'm rmmoding the module, and reloading it
23:42<hachi>it should be firing a hotplug event requesting the firmware
23:43<klys>package: hotplug, look for some docs
23:43<hachi>not using hotplug, udev instead
23:43<klys>ok
23:43<hachi>already have firmware.agent on the system
23:43<hachi>kernel call for request_firmware() seems to be dying... bleh
23:44<hachi>/proc/sys/kernel/hotplug isn't set, I bet that's it
23:45<klys>firmware.sh
23:46<klys>probably irrelevant, nm
23:46<hachi>are you being deliberately vague? Where is firmware.sh, what package does it come from?
23:46<hachi>there is no such file in debian
23:46<hachi>well, I take that back, two unrelated module packages contain a firmware.sh buried deep in the filesystem, but they're unrelated
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23:49<hachi>ahh, udev unsets that proc/sys/kernel/hotplug on purpose
23:49<hachi>firmware subsystem should be running firmware.agent
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23:56<hachi>anyone have a clue about getting ipw2200 to work in debian, specifically the firmware loading? As far as I can tell udev isn't receiving a request, or isn't firing off firmware.agent properly
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23:58<manphiz>I'm using ipw2200 with an 2915 card without problem. The firmware is unpacked under /lib/firmware
23:58<hachi>yeah, I've done that
23:58<dli>hachi: do you have the ipw2200-firmware installed?
23:58<manphiz>what did `modprobe ipw2200` say?
23:59<chuy_max>is there a limit of arguments an application launched from bash can take?
23:59<hachi>nothing, syslog has stuff though
23:59<dli>hachi, also, dmesg
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