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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-09-22

---Logopened Sat Sep 22 00:00:04 2007
---Daychanged Sat Sep 22 2007
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00:15<dude>hey
00:16<test1>hi
00:17<Villarroel>Bye,
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00:52<yhanee_yhanzz>all
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00:54<yhanee_yhanzz>surabaya
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00:55<clay>hello all
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00:58<clay>Is there someone that is able to help me to mount an external WD WorldBook that I have put on my network
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00:58<padski>clay: can try
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00:59<padski>clay: WD Worldbook
00:59<clay>yes
00:59<clay>the 500Gig with gigabit ethernet
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00:59<clay>just recently bought it and have been having problems mounting it
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01:00<padski>its tcp/ip and you can ping it ?
01:00<clay>yea i can access it
01:00<test1>clay, how do you use it with Windows ?
01:00<padski>what does it serve, nfs, samba ?
01:00<clay>i don' t personally
01:00<clay>but it comes with software thats not very good
01:01<test1>clay, what is in its documents about using in windows ?
01:01<clay>well i believe its internal software is linux based
01:01<clay>so i have heard
01:01<clay>and read
01:01<clay>it works with samba
01:01<test1>clay, last is good thus do:
01:01<test1>on linux with root login :
01:02<test1>mount "//its ip address/its-name" /mnt
01:02<test1>first find its ip address
01:02<clay>yea i know the ip
01:02<test1>then if you don't know its share name type:
01:02<test1>smbtree
01:02<clay>it has a user name and password for the admin
01:03<clay>is there a command to pass so I have admin rights
01:03<test1>type in linux: smbtree
01:03<clay>bash command not found
01:03<test1>are you logged in in a linux machine?
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01:04<clay>yes
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01:04<test1>whit kde or gnome ?
01:04<test1>with kde or gnome ?
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01:05<padski>smbtree is in the package smbclient
01:05<padski>apt-get install smbclient
01:06<test1>clay, alo, are you there ?
01:06<clay>oh sorry kde
01:06<test1>go to kde menu(main menu) --->system ---> Konsole
01:06<clay>yea i got the console up
01:06<test1>it brings up a console with bash
01:06<clay>and just did apt-get install smbclient
01:06<test1>are you root ?
01:06<clay>yea
01:07<test1>after getting smbtree do it , and
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01:07<test1>it will give you all of the shares in your network and
01:07<test1>you can know the share name of your external hasd , then
01:07<test1>do above mentioned command:
01:08<test1>mount "//its ip address/its-name" /mnt
01:08<test1>it must mount its share
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01:08<test1>then you can use "-o username=its-user-name" for
01:09<test1>getting full permissions of it, goodbye
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01:15<Vic>hello
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01:25<padski>/usr/bin/ld: warning: libobjc.so.1, needed by /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Library/Libraries/libgnustep-base.so, may conflict with libobjc.so.2
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01:36<padski>ah! I know what that is ...
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01:40<test1>hi knoppix
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04:06<putera_sas>#kediri
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04:23<pc>hi
04:24<pc>got small problem that id like to ask about
04:24<dondelelcaro>!ask
04:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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04:25<pc>ive got an old PC that im sortign to a penniless friend
04:25<pc>150MHz 32 MB RAM
04:26<pc>had a bit of troubel getting anything on it
04:26<pc>but have nedeup with woody
04:27<pc>its got a 3ecom bootloader so had problems getting a hda recognised
04:27<Eulex>pc, etch needs at least 48mb ram.
04:27<dondelelcaro>you can actually run etch with 32M or less
04:28<dondelelcaro>it just requires some machinations
04:28<pc>I want a GUI to run an email prog
04:28<pippo1969>!help
04:28<pc>best way to proceed ?
04:28<Eulex>dondelelcaro, by installing on another machine and then transferring the hdd?
04:28<pippo1969>Hello
04:28<Eulex>pc, that machine won't run X very good, whatever you do.
04:28<pc>Y
04:28<dondelelcaro>Eulex: that's one way; a better method is to cut down the set of packages.
04:29<Eulex>dondelelcaro, ok
04:29<dondelelcaro>Eulex: since that's the real reason why etch requires 48M
04:29<dondelelcaro>(actually, I'm not sure that it requires 48M, but it's the main reason why there is a ram requirement at all)
04:30<pc>I started with http://developer.berlios.de/projects/bonzai/
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04:31<pc>( im new to deb -coming from gentoo )
04:31<pc>I didnt want to sit around for 3 weeks while it compiled somthing !
04:31<Eulex>^^
04:32<Eulex>you could try puppy linux, it's made to run on old boxes.
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04:32<pc>tried puppy but it didnt get as far as getting X configured
04:32<pc>tried DSL but it had problems installing to /dev/hdb and then rebooting
04:32<filemover>hi there my wireless network card seems to be running at half strength can anyone help
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04:33<ventura>hello ?
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04:34<ventura>i've just bought a notebook and i'm having some problems trying to install debian on it
04:34<pippo1969>Bye
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04:34<filemover>ventura: try debootstrap from an existing distro
04:35<Eulex>filemover, and the notebook had linux when he bought it? :P
04:35<dondelelcaro>ventura: if you tell us what the problems are, someone here may be able to help
04:36<filemover>well hell be able to use debootstrap then
04:36<ventura>well, i've put the CD and the installation seemt ok but
04:36<filemover>he'll
04:36<ventura>after installing the packages and starting again
04:36<ventura>it freezes right after trying to start gdm
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04:37<ventura>what's debootstrap ?
04:37<filemover>its a way of installing debian over the internett
04:38<ventura>i see
04:38<ventura>i had installed via internet
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04:39<ventura>the notebook had Vista
04:39<filemover>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en
04:39<ventura>i'll take a look, thnx
04:40<filemover>no worrys
04:40<Eulex>ventura, what graphics card does the laptop have?
04:40<ventura>nvidia
04:40<Eulex>ventura, (btw, debootstrap won't help you)
04:40<Eulex>ventura, what nvidia?
04:41<ventura>i'll see...
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04:41<filemover>if u want to do a fresh install it'll work well
04:41<Eulex>filemover, he already has debian.
04:41<filemover>ok
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04:42<filemover>sudo aptitude upgrade
04:42<filemover>lol
04:43<ventura>searching...
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04:43<Eulex>ventura, boot into single-user mode. take a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, section device, to see what driver it is using. also see lspci to check what graphics card you have,
04:43<ventura>NVIDIA GeForce Go 6150
04:44<ventura>ok
04:45<Eulex>you can also try looking at the xorg log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) to check whether there are any errors or warnings
04:45<ventura>ok
04:46<ventura>driver being used is "nv"
04:46<chealer>ventura: try vesa
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04:47<ventura>ok
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04:50<ventura>i've tried "vesa" and the same problem happens
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04:50<ventura>i'll check /var/log...
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04:53<johlin>I am running Debian 4.0 on a machine where I only have SSH-access. Because of the limited ammount of memory, I would like to remove OpenSSH and install dropbear instead. How would I do this without them conflicting?
04:54<ventura>it seems that there's no error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
04:55<Eulex>and there's no warning?
04:55<ventura>no
04:55<Eulex>could you pastebin it?
04:55<ventura>nothing, it ends with "(**) |-->Input Device "Synaptics Touchpad"
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04:56<Eulex>that doesn't sound correct.
04:56<ventura>what ?
04:57<Eulex>there should be a lot more after that. could you pastebin it?
04:57<Eulex>!pastebin
04:57<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
04:57<ventura>the notebook is not connected
04:58<ventura>I will type
04:58<Eulex>oh
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04:58<Eulex>not needed. how many rows are there in the file?
04:58<ventura>i have only one connection
04:58<ventura>22
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04:59<Eulex>indeed, that's way too little. almost a thousand lines here.
04:59<EmleyMoor>I am finding that I can't run pyicqt on a testing box. When starting, the /etc/init.d/ script never returns the name "pyicqt" and I can't tell why it is not being run. pymsnt works though
04:59<Eulex>and that's odd.
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04:59<Eulex>ventura, you're running plain etch, right?
04:59<ventura>butyes
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05:00<ventura>downloaded Jul 17
05:00<EmleyMoor>I find it does work if run without using that script, though that is highly inconvenient
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05:01<EmleyMoor>pyicqt is not logging anything - the log is empty
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05:02<Eulex>ventura, just asking, I've never seen any problem like this, with the log cut off so early. you could try removing the touchpad from the X config, to see if that fixes it.
05:02<EmleyMoor>How can I tell what is going on? I am tempted to report a bug but will check bts first
05:02<ventura>ok, i'll try
05:03<Eulex>ventura, what device does the section inputdevice that describes your touchpad use? (in xorg.conf)
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05:04<ventura>there are two of them: "Configured Mouse" and "Synapctics Touchpad"
05:04<ventura>i'm about to comment both of them
05:04<Eulex>that won't work
05:04<Eulex>X won't start without any mouse configured
05:04<Eulex>comment out the synaptics touchpad section
05:05<ventura>ok, doing it...
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05:05<Eulex>and the reference to it in section serverlayout
05:05<ventura>ok
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05:05<Eulex>what device does the "Configured Mouse" use?
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05:05<ventura>Driver "mouse"
05:06<Eulex>no, look at Option "Device"
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05:06<ventura>there's no option "device" inside section "inputdevice"
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05:07<Eulex>hmm, ok
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05:07<play_boy_kampung>ff#
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05:10<EmleyMoor>I've even added a patch found on the bts and it still doesn't start (pyicqt)
05:10<ventura>freezed again, should i try commenting out the other device ?
05:11<Eulex>well, with no mouse device, X won't start
05:11<ventura>ok
05:12<ventura>i mean, commenting out one the keeping the other
05:12<Eulex>perhaps.
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05:12<Eulex>ventura, note that I'm just guessing what to do, I've never encountered a problem like that. this was a guess based on that "(**) |-->Input Device "Synaptics Touchpad" was the last thing in the log.
05:14<Eulex>in any case, I don't think I have any other idea of what the problem might be...
05:14<ventura>I understand
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05:15<ventura>I appreciate your efforts, thank you
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05:15<Eulex>ventura, you could disable X from starting at boot, then just start it from a console, and see if you get any error (you might be able to switch back to the tty by pressing ctrl-alt-f1)
05:16<Eulex>error in the console where you started X, that is
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05:16<Eulex>starting X is as easy as issuing 'X'. this will just start plain Xorg, no desktop environment or window manager to run on top of it.
05:17<ventura>I see, I'll try it too
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05:18<Eulex>you might also try to attach gdb to the X process and try to get a backtrace, if you fear that the process has gone into an infinite loop.
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05:18<Eulex>if you can't reach a terminal from that computer, you could ssh in from another computer.
05:19<ventura>how do I do that ? via xorf.conf ?
05:19<Eulex>note that all these above are assuming that the computer doesn't hardlock completely
05:19<Eulex>ventura, which of them?
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05:20<ventura>I am afraid it does, I mean it seems to freeze completely, no tty available
05:20<ventura>gdb
05:21<Villarroel>Hi, I'm installing testing on my new laptop, and I'm getting this error in the "install the base system" step: Invalid Release signature (key id A70...), in tty4 says, debootstrap: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster...>
05:21<ventura>how do I attach gdb to the X process ?
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05:21<Eulex>gdb -p pid, I think. the pid of X can be found out via pidof.
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05:21<Villarroel>What can I do?
05:21<ventura>ok
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05:22<Eulex>Villarroel, you install stable, then dist-upgrade to testing.
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05:23<Villarroel>Ok, Eulex, the signatures will then validate? And I install unstable in my Desktop, without this issue..
05:23<Villarroel>Why?
05:24<Eulex>Villarroel, installing anything but stable is highly risky, it may or may not work. also, you seem to be using an installer that hasn't got the right archive keys for what you're installing. that is, an installer that wasn't made for installing testing.
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05:24<ventura>keeing only "Synaptics Touchpad" has failed too
05:24<ventura>I'll disable X and try launching it as you said
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05:25<Villarroel>Eulex, Ok, I see. Thanks.
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05:51<Villarroel>HI.
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05:56<Villarroel>I'm getting this error when booting the kernel. BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0
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06:01<lg>cześć wam..
06:02<lg>czy ktoś mówi po polsku?
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06:03<lg>pogada ktoś ze mną?
06:03<knoppix_>jemand da?
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06:04<Guest856>huhu?
06:04<@weasel>wrong language
06:04<Guest856>okay ^^
06:04<@weasel>wrong channel (this is _#debian_, not #knoppix)
06:04<Guest856>wayne?
06:04<lg>polen
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06:05<lg>hallo...
06:05<Guest856>servus
06:06<lg>gadasz po polsku?
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06:06<@weasel>!pl
06:06<dpkg>from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
06:06<klys>!po
06:06<dpkg>[po] Piss Off or Post Office
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06:07<klys>knyyks, polish
06:07<klys>~polish
06:07<dpkg>it has been said that polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl
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06:09<c4meleon>czesc jest ktos z polski bo mam problem ?
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06:18<smoke>hi!! :)
06:18<Vakio>Hi.
06:18<smoke>anyone know a good mp3 player?
06:18<smoke>Vakio :)
06:18<jakeriver>basic
06:18<smoke>xmms?
06:19<Vakio>Amarok.
06:19<tiCo>mpg321
06:19<smoke>nice!
06:19<Vakio>XMMS is going to be removed soon.
06:19<smoke>good to know
06:19<smoke>and amarok have good skins?
06:19<Vakio>smoke: it's not skinnable per se, but it looks very nice.
06:20<smoke>great
06:20<smoke>thanks buddy
06:20<Vakio>The context browser (or whatever it's called) can have different styles.
06:21<klys>anything else support winamp skins?
06:21<Vakio>klys: Audacious might. Haven't tried it.
06:21<smoke>Im using xmms with kjotol buts so suck
06:22<klys>why
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06:23<Vakio>XMMS is GTK 1, doesn't support UTF-8, has a dead upstream, and is very buggy: http://bugs.debian.org/xmms
06:23<klys>smoke: is this why
06:23<smoke>;)
06:24<smoke>for pc stats, we have to use gkrellm or there is another program?
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06:27<filemover>get rid of xmms and install audacious
06:28<Vakio>(Or Amarok.)
06:28<filemover>yeah
06:29<filemover>amarok
06:29[~]ricky used to use Amarok- very nice.
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06:30<ricky>I'm using mpc at the moment, though :)
06:30<filemover>its good but i dont think it supports playing MonkeysAudio
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06:30<filemover>so if u want to play mac youll have to get audacious
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06:32<Golfgeo>Got a problem: I'm using openntpd and noticed during the setup of multiple ntp servers that if the servers I assigned to be used arn't used and no "pool" server are configed it does use a "pool" server, how can I switch this off?
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06:33<bueno>hiho
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06:41<troubled>Golfgeo: specify a single server to use manually
06:42<troubled>Golfgeo: like: server ntp.someserver.org
06:42<smoke>what can I do not show gkrellm in the taskbar, please?
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06:42<troubled>that what you wanted?
06:48<bueno>how can i install debian lenny?
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06:48<bueno>over netinstall..
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06:50<amphi>bueno: maybe etch base-install and dist-upgrade?
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06:53<noflash>bueno, debian.org...there's an installation manual
06:53<filemover>ok here is the updated MonkeysAudio to Mp3 Perl script. Its an update to the one I posted before http://pastebin.ca/706937
06:54<kzar>Is it possible to join two disks together to appear as the same drive with mdadm without loosing the data on the disks?
06:54<bueno>noflash yes i have seen the installation manual
06:54<bueno>there are downloads vor testing builds... i think weekly snapshots or something
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06:55<kzar>I worded that terribly.. Is it possible to join two hard-drives together to appear as one volume using mdadm without loosing any data on the two sperate hard-drives?
06:55<bueno>but, do i need all 24 CDs? or only the first 1? the rest i can download with apt over network... i haven't found a netinstall image for lenny
06:55<kzar>bueno: the first one is fine
06:56<kzar>bueno: thats how I always install, with just the first one and then downloading the rest as and when I need it
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06:57<bueno>okay thanks kzar =)
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06:57<bueno>i think testing has a newer kernel image.. or?
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07:22<smoke>how can I see where gkrellm is installed, please?
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07:24<Eulex>which gkrellm?
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07:31<damage>hello
07:32<boscaiolo>hello
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07:35<boscaiolo>hmm - new here. Use etch. Anyone know windowmaker? I'm trying to make ssh-agent run at startx
07:35<@weasel>is it not running already?
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07:35<smoke>guys, how can I see the gkrellm folder?
07:36<Eulex>run 'which gkrellm' to find out where the gkrellm binary is.
07:36<boscaiolo>weasel: i have to give the passphrase every time i use anything ssh
07:36<boscaiolo>eg. rsync
07:36<@weasel>boscaiolo: isn't what I asked. I wondered if the agent was running :)
07:36<@weasel>boscaiolo: ps xauf | grep agent
07:36<@weasel>or ssh-add -l
07:37<@weasel>or env | grep SSH
07:37<boscaiolo>env shows nothing
07:37<@weasel>how did you start your x session?
07:38<@weasel>are you using gdm?
07:38<boscaiolo>startx, and .xinitrc has exec wmaker
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07:38<boscaiolo>no *dm
07:38<smoke>Eulex which dont works
07:38<wamty>W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
07:38<@weasel>ah. that explains why you don't have it running
07:38<wamty>I am getting this error after I am doing apt-get
07:38<wamty>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
07:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 313] by debhelper
07:39<Eulex>smoke, define 'doesn't work'
07:39<@weasel>if you used gdm then ssh-agent would start automaticlaly
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07:39<wamty>what can that be?
07:39<boscaiolo>I tried adding eval `ssh-agent` and ssh-add /dev/null before exec wmaker
07:39<smoke>Eulex returns nothing
07:39<Eulex>smoke, then it's not installed.
07:39<smoke>im using it
07:39<wamty>weasel ?
07:39<@weasel>boscaiolo: I was about to suggest the evil
07:39<boscaiolo>but then I get an empty x session w no windowmaker
07:39<wamty>Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch
07:39<wamty>Reading package lists... Done
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07:40<wamty>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
07:40<smoke>Eulex im using it right now :T
07:40<Eulex>smoke, well, it's not installed anywhere in your path, at least.
07:40<smoke>:T
07:40<smoke>I use apt-get gklrellm
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07:40<@weasel>boscaiolo: can you paste your .xsession somewhere?
07:40<wamty>any idea?
07:40<wamty>suggestions?
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07:40<smoke>I just want to know wheres the folder to test a theme
07:40<@weasel>(use .xsession, not .xinitrc)
07:40<boscaiolo>DOn't have one -- I use .xinitrc
07:41<@weasel>mv .xinitrc .xsession
07:41<boscaiolo>, but I did try using .xsession instead
07:41<@weasel>now paste your .xsession :)
07:41<boscaiolo>same diff
07:41<boscaiolo>here it is
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07:41<boscaiolo>eval `ssh-agent`
07:41<boscaiolo>ssh-add /dev/null
07:41<boscaiolo>exec "wmaker"
07:41<niu>hello, I've got a problem about locale.
07:42<boscaiolo>in the version that does not open wmaker
07:42<niu>I've my locales generated correctly.
07:42<@weasel>boscaiolo: two things:
07:42<@weasel>boscaiolo: comment out the eval and ssh-add, and move your .xinitrc to .xsession
07:42<@weasel>boscaiolo: start X again, check if debian now started ssh-agent for you
07:42<@weasel>boscaiolo: can you try that?
07:42<boscaiolo>ok thanx will try
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07:43<wamty>any advice please?
07:43<niu>And I can see my locale with locale -a
07:43<@weasel>boscaiolo: please come back afterwards, there is a step 2 then :)
07:43<boscaiolo>okay
07:43<boscaiolo>shortly...
07:43<niu>But when I choose the locale from the start window of gnome, the locale can't be found.
07:44<niu>And my locale can't be found under /usr/share/locale
07:44<niu>Would anyone please tell me how to add a locale to /usr/share/locale?
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07:45<wamty>why am I getting this error?
07:45<niu>It'll be better if it's generated.:)
07:45<wamty>W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
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07:45<wamty>I am getting this error after I am doing apt-get
07:45<@weasel>wamty: I think we got it by now
07:45<wamty>yea but its crazy
07:45<@weasel>wamty: you are repeating this for the 3rd or so time now
07:46<@weasel>chances are, nobody cares
07:46<wamty>sorry
07:46<niu>Maybe you should get a new gpg key.
07:46<@weasel>ask later
07:46<@weasel>(or pick a different mirror)
07:46<wamty>can the mirror be fucked?
07:46<niu>Yes.
07:47<wamty>thats strange
07:47<wamty>maybe debian is updating or something
07:47<Jasons>not really, it happens
07:48|-|mode/#debian [-b Goin*!*@ool-182dfe9d.dyn.optonline.net] by weasel
07:48|-|mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
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07:49<niu>Anyone please help me about the locale?
07:49<boscaiolo>weasel: I think I'm back
07:49<weasel>boscaiolo: apparently
07:50<weasel>boscaiolo: so, did you start your window manager via .xsession now?
07:50<boscaiolo>yes
07:50<weasel>good.
07:50<weasel>did debian's x session stuff start ssh-agent?
07:50<boscaiolo>just did env grep SSH and got SSH_AGENT_PID=13834
07:50<boscaiolo>SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-hKBjI13807/agent.13
07:51<weasel>yay
07:51<boscaiolo>so yes
07:51<boscaiolo>I won't pretend to understand
07:51<weasel>ssh-add < /dev/null
07:51<weasel>is what you want to add to your .xsession
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07:51<weasel>xinitrc is what you run to properly start up the x server.
07:51<weasel>_then_ the session is started
07:51<weasel>that does things from /etc/X11 and then your .xsession
07:52<weasel>those things launch ssh-agent
07:52<smoke>yeah baby, yeah!!
07:52<wamty>I tried again: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch
07:52<wamty>E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
07:52<wamty>:(
07:52<wamty>shall I wait for tonight?
07:52<wamty>or shall I run apt-get clean?
07:52<niu>You may download it later.
07:52<weasel>wamty: OR GET A DIFFERENT MIRROR
07:52<weasel>REALLY, this is not rocket science
07:53<weasel>and it's no reaso to whine about it
07:53<wamty>let me try
07:53<niu>Maybe the administrator is updating the mirror.
07:53<wamty>ok
07:53<wamty>let me try sir
07:53<boscaiolo>weasel: ok i'll restart it again to see if it asks for the passphrase
07:54<boscaiolo>+ thanks
07:54<niu>http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/
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07:54<niu>here's the mirror site i just used.
07:54<niu>It should work fine.
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07:55<weasel>boscaiolo: the reason your xinit didn't work is the missing < after ssh-add. but it was the ugly solution anyway
07:56<boscaiolo>Thanks weasel. Yes, I sotted that when you instructed me
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07:56<boscaiolo>And I just restarted x and got the prompt
07:56<boscaiolo>spotted even
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08:12<mav>how do i change the permissions of a drive in fstab?
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08:13<lupine>you can set umask= in the options field (along with uid and gid)
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08:14<mav>what is the dpkg trigger for the info?
08:14<lupine>the what?
08:14<lupine>man fstab for the manpage
08:15<mav>there is dpkg artical on it i just dont know the trigger
08:15<lupine>dpkg doesn't have articles
08:15<mav>ie /query dpkg fstab
08:15<lupine>oh, /that/ dpkg :D
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08:15<mav>yeah sorry for lack of clarity
08:15<weasel>it doesn't have articles either. it has factoids :)
08:16<lupine>!umask
08:16<dpkg>The umask or user mask is the set of permissions which are *not* set on files and directories that are created with a default set of permissions. For example, a umask of 0022; would mean that files would be created with 644 permissions by default, directories with 755. help umask; or man 2 umask and info coreutils 'File Permissions'; for further details. (You may have to install manpages-dev if you don't have the umask manpa
08:16<mav>same thing really...
08:16<igor>Hello! Can I get help in Russian?
08:16<mav>thank you very much
08:16<weasel>!ru
08:16<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
08:16<igor>Tank you
08:16<weasel>no problem
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08:18<mav>there is a "factoid" that explains how to set uid etc.
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08:19<weasel>!vfatrw
08:19<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
08:19<mav>thanks, thats what i was after :)
08:19<lupine>that's what I said :p
08:19<weasel>why didn't you say so? you were talking about drives, not filesystems :)
08:19<mav>because im a newb
08:19<mav>well relativly anyway
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08:20<weasel>:)
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08:20<igor>Íà ðóññêîì ãîâîðèò êòî-íèáóäü?
08:21<ricky>igor: ?
08:21<weasel>I already told you about that russian channel on irc.freenode.org
08:21<ricky>Ah, weird- that didn't show up as Russian for me.
08:21<weasel>it showed up as line noise for me
08:21<fxiny>rebel again ?
08:21<fxiny>ops
08:21<weasel>so it's either russian, chinese, or german with utf-8 :)
08:22<niu>Can I add utf-8 to my locale?
08:22<igor>OK. I make erro in name server. What chat rum for russia?
08:22<ricky>!ru
08:22<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
08:22<weasel>!ru
08:22<weasel>igor: note irc.freenode.net
08:22<weasel>igor: not this server
08:23<niu>I can't find directory with utf8 extension under /usr/share/locale directory.
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08:27<mav>can i make it writeable for all users?
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08:27<weasel>sure. with the correct umask
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08:28<mav>and that is?
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08:36<mav>is it essential to set the uid and gid?
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08:48<mav>i have set everything as per the "factoid" and even tried to change the permissions in gnome
08:48<mav>though it continues to tell me that it cant change them
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08:52<mav>help?
08:52<mjk>What's the name of the site that lets users comment on arbitrary web sites?
08:52<mjk>I forgot its name ...
08:56<Myon>mav: which fs type is that?
08:56<mav>fat32, set as vfat
08:57<lupine>mav: uid & gid tell the OS what user and group it belongs to
08:57<lupine>so, yeah, it's pretty important
08:57<lupine>(if you add 'user' to the options instead, the uid and gid get set to the mounting user, IIRC)
08:58<mav>well i wasnt sure whether to set is as uid=0(root) / root or simply as 0 so i tried them all to no avail
08:58<lupine>if it belongs to root, how do you (as a normal user) edit it...?
08:58<mav>and gnome wont let me change any of it (lazy i know)
08:58<lupine>the first non-root user is generally 1000/1000
08:59<Myon>lupine: iirc "user" means "any user can mount it"
08:59<mav>i understand that
08:59<lupine>Myon: I know :)
08:59<mav>ive tried it as both root and user
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08:59<Myon>ah, uid=user?
08:59<lupine>Myon: owning user ID; gi is the owning group ID
08:59<mav>should just be uid=bleh for example?
08:59<lupine>gid*
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09:00<lupine>it should be uid=<user ID> - a number
09:00<fxiny>mav: nahh : uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002
09:01<mav>oh ok
09:01<mav>brb
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09:01<lupine>fail
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09:02<fxiny>where's dpkg "pathetic" vfat tune facto steroid ?
09:02<fxiny>can't remember it
09:02<lupine>!vfatrw
09:02<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
09:02<lupine>?
09:03<fxiny>i see no "pathetic" on it
09:03<fxiny>but is ok
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09:06<gsimmons_>!vfat
09:06<dpkg>i heard vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it.
09:06<fxiny>hahah here it is :)
09:06<lupine>:D
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09:07<lupine>vfat - for when fat16 is barely adequate
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09:09<mav>i dont understand why its not working
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09:10<fxiny>hmmm : i've upgraded unoficial acroread . hmmm . i have some bad feelings .
09:10<lupine>what, exactly, is the mount line you're using; and what, exactly, are the permissions you end up with?
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09:11<fxiny>i hate those "click here so i can track you down nect" kind of buttons
09:11<fxiny>next*
09:11<fxiny>i think i'll put old crappy acrosomething back soon
09:11<lupine>kpdf ftw
09:11<lupine>:p
09:12<mav>my fstab line reads /dev/hda4 /media/hda4 vfat rw,user,noauto,gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=002
09:12<fxiny>wt4x ! there are millions of html howto/help files !
09:12<mav>ive also tried umask=022
09:12<lupine>and the permissions you end up with, when you mount it, are...?
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09:13<mav>i end up with drwxr-xr-x
09:13<lupine>oh, and where are your dump and pass args ( 0 0 at the end of the line)
09:13<lupine>user and group...?
09:14<mav>yes the two 0's are at the end of the line
09:14<lupine>gaining information doesn't have to be like extracting teeth, you know ;)
09:14<mav>sorry i did say im a newb
09:15<mav>owner is root, group and others can read and execute
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09:15<lupine>how are you mounting it? as root?
09:15<fxiny>mav: do you want drwxrwxr-x ? type id to chech your id first . then mount it manually : mount -t vfat /dev/hdxxx /mnt/that/point -o defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002
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09:16<mav>i just want to be able to write to it
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09:16<lupine>Are you mounting it as root, or as your normal user?
09:17<mav>i only have permission to mount it as root
09:17<lupine>wrong
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09:17<hypn0tek>hi
09:17<lupine>you've got "user" in there, which means you can mount it as.... a user
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09:18<lupine>umount it; then try mounting it as the user you want to be able to access it
09:18<fxiny>i thibk atrope will never have me connecting to his prolly stinky cage : atrope behond what ? nahhh
09:18<hypn0tek>I can't find vimtutor .. who can I install it ?
09:18<jakeriver>
09:18<fxiny>i know there are new pdf sploits but ...
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09:19<fxiny>i'll check again gnu pdf project asap
09:19<lupine>or, you know, remove the user and noauto args
09:19<mav>"mount:only root can do that"
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09:20<fxiny>of course , unless you learn how to use sudo
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09:21<gsimmons_>hypn0tek: It's in the 'vim-runtime' package.
09:22<hypn0tek>i'm downloading it thx gsimmons_
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09:22<isuckatlinux>hello people, question, i built a new kernel and as usual, did not work, i just stopped in the middle of the booting proces, no errors or anything else. I login into my old kernel, would the kernel log show the error or whatever failed? thanks
09:22<fxiny>i'm so leet : i've cvs downloaded gnu savannha pdf site for later:P
09:22<mav>doesnt su do the same thing?
09:22<lupine>not exactly
09:23<lupine>so, yeah. drop the user option
09:23<lupine>then try again
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09:26<lupine>also, why don't you have defaults, at the behiginning of your options ?
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09:36<isuckatlinux>!tell isuckatlinux about !laptop
09:37<M0useP0t4t0>Hi, I am on debian Etch. I run opera and it seems Opera crashes randomly without warning
09:37<isuckatlinux>open opera from a terminal, use it and look at the error message
09:38<isuckatlinux>when it crashes
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09:38<M0useP0t4t0>crashes are not too often.
09:38<isuckatlinux>noting in the logs?
09:38<M0useP0t4t0>it usually runs flawlessly, but once in a while it crashes
09:38<fxiny>M0useP0t4t0: which version ?
09:39<M0useP0t4t0>Opera 9.23
09:39<M0useP0t4t0>Debian Etch 4.0
09:39[~]lupine casts Insight, which reveals: "Opera sucks; use something else" ;)
09:39<fxiny>i had a crash today , i don't use it too much
09:39<fxiny>i supected some bug
09:40<fxiny>lupine: a stupid site wanted me to disable iceweasel/noreferrer so i ran opera and it crashed
09:41<fxiny>that's why i suspect some evil bug
09:41<pc>DSL question....
09:41<isuckatlinux>dsl sucks, before u ask
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09:41[~]M0useP0t4t0 is a die-hard Opera fan and wouldn't like to run IE4Linux :P
09:41<M0useP0t4t0>opera has referred disabled by default, I suppose
09:41<M0useP0t4t0>referrer**
09:41<fxiny>M0useP0t4t0: nahh . is enabled
09:41<pc>Ive put DSL on an old machine (150MHz) for a friend
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09:41<lupine>some sites rely on referrer for all sorts of things
09:42<pc>an it works well (better than win98!)
09:42<lupine>I guess you could call that a bug
09:42<isuckatlinux>they still rely on referrer?
09:42<pc>but id like a graphical login
09:42<isuckatlinux>but that is easy to manipulate
09:42<lupine>pc: xdm/gdm/kdm
09:42<lupine>also, this is #debian, not #dsl ;)
09:42<pc>currently with DSL you login as a user and then do startx
09:42<isuckatlinux>lol
09:43<oskie>where can I find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 for debian?
09:43<pc>is there dsl iRC ? but DSL is debian based -isnt it ?
09:43<lupine>oskie: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
09:43<lupine>!based on debian
09:43<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
09:43<lupine>whooops. I meant, oskie: apt-file search libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
09:43<fxiny>ie4linux ? holy s*
09:43<fxiny>is ugly !
09:44<lupine>very. Runs in wine?
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09:44<oskie>lupine: thanks
09:44<M0useP0t4t0>I know :P
09:44<flami>No its a Virus
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09:44<lupine>oskie: the package is libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
09:44<fxiny>yes it runs in wine
09:44<M0useP0t4t0>IE is *not* a virus, viruses actually do something :P
09:44<flami>THe horror THE HORROR
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09:44<lupine>so the only question remaining, is...why?
09:44<isuckatlinux>anyone knows if the nero keys work in linux?
09:45<lupine>nero keys?
09:45<flami>nero ?
09:45<Aleric>googleearth doesn't work here... when i start it, it just returns to the prompt.
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09:45<fxiny>IE isn not a virus cause a virus is better then ie
09:45<lupine>flami: stupid inferior cd burnung software
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09:45<lupine>it's <<< k3b, gnomebaker
09:45<flami>OHHh like wodim for weenydoze?
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09:45<isuckatlinux>yeah i like nero
09:45<isuckatlinux>so i wanted to try it in linux
09:46<flami>srew it get K3B
09:46<kzar>Nero is a pile of poo to be fair
09:46<M0useP0t4t0>Nero has a version for linux
09:46<fxiny>nero ? hahahah 900Mb for that thing ?
09:46<isuckatlinux>:), naa its only 16
09:46<M0useP0t4t0>now I am not sure if it's a paid s/w
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09:46<oskie>lupine: thanks..for some reason that apt-file search command didn't work .. 'apt-file search ls' gave me no results!
09:46<flami>itsll just ask for money and buttrape you
09:46<M0useP0t4t0>on my windows, I prefer Ashampoo :D
09:46<fxiny>so what about ibm whatisname office crap ? needs 1G ran to run
09:47<fxiny>ram*
09:47<isuckatlinux>vista needs 2 and crashes
09:47<flami>k3B or whatever is the way to go :P
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09:47<isuckatlinux>so its not that bd
09:47<flami>and the 3d effect are so far from compiz :P
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09:47<isuckatlinux>k3b, ill try that one, ive been using gnomebaker
09:47<fxiny>all this free-from-win-to-linux things are crap
09:47<flami>k3b is for KDE
09:47<lupine>oskie: you're doing it wrong. I get 89,084 results for that search key
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09:48<lupine>this is why kde > gnome
09:48[~]lupine hides
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09:48<flami>KDE > all !
09:48<M0useP0t4t0>Gnome is getting drag & drop, I hear
09:48[~]flami forms the church Of KDE
09:48<isuckatlinux>i dont know, my kde stuff works in gnome so im cool
09:48<fxiny>nero4linx ghost4linux ie4linux all crap
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09:48<fxiny>4 4 4 : wt4x !
09:48<lupine>mm, but what's the point having all those superfluous libraries loaded up?
09:48<oskie>lupine: strange...something must be broken here..
09:49<M0useP0t4t0>I'd love to see Ashampoo4linux :)
09:49<isuckatlinux>clonezilla is pretty good
09:49<oskie>lupine: now I have my lib-file though. thanks :)
09:49<lupine>you need to apt-file update...
09:49<fxiny>hahahah ashampoo ? hehehehe
09:49<isuckatlinux>i dont know, they are there, maybe one they ill remove them
09:49<M0useP0t4t0>Yes, I find it much better & easier to adapt to anyone
09:49<oskie>lupine: ah
09:49<fxiny>clonezilla ? i read something about filezilla coming
09:49<isuckatlinux>my stuff works so much better in linux that i cant really tell the difference
09:49<M0useP0t4t0>filezilla is FTP client
09:50<fxiny>thay can have all the 4 back ANYTIME
09:50<lupine>lftp >> *
09:50<isuckatlinux>clonezilla does a pretty good job
09:50<isuckatlinux>what is filezilla for
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09:50<fxiny>ftp
09:50<flami>Ftp
09:50<isuckatlinux>ftp server?
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09:50<zambba>fap
09:51<lupine>client
09:51<flami>nope client
09:51<lupine>...fap?
09:51<isuckatlinux>oh, yes cause for server i doubt will be better that vsftp
09:51<lupine>of course, ftp ftl in general
09:52<fxiny>ftp scares me up
09:52<isuckatlinux>put yourself together!
09:52<fxiny>i have vsftp running on my backup fat box
09:53<fxiny>and wput/ncftpput here
09:54<isuckatlinux>so what do they do in #debian-kernel other than be online?
09:54<isuckatlinux>anyone knows?
09:54<lupine>discuss the debian kernel, I would guess
09:54<M0useP0t4t0>lol
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09:54<fxiny>but i was introduced to the delight of ionice last week in this chan so i can move some big file with scp again
09:56<fxiny>seen ? old box/newfatkernel/newdatssh ? there is always a workaround this side of the moon : ionice
09:56<isuckatlinux>i'd guess that 2 but those dudes never speak or answer
09:57<isuckatlinux>or anything a normal person would do
09:57<fxiny>i did not know it but: how it works !
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09:57<lupine>oh noes
09:57<M0useP0t4t0>probably there are too busy compiling
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09:58<isuckatlinux>im 2 busy compiling, off course have no idea of half of the options i chose and it failed
09:58<isuckatlinux>but, im compiling
09:58<Tagnard>Hi. I have some problems with charsets on my box. is there a system charset for th whole box?
09:58<lupine>I think it's more development than support
09:59<lupine>supporting custom kernels is the end of the slippery slope
09:59<isuckatlinux>so, u saying those guys are more nerd than we ar
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09:59<lupine>more intelligent, maybe
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09:59<isuckatlinux>who knows....
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10:00<flami>what you think of the new kernel? -well yeah its hot it got this new [stuff] which allows to [do stuff ] -yeah seems as if god heard my prayers
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10:01<lupine>hehe. The job of the kernel is to remain unseen. No wonder kernel devs are so modest
10:01<isuckatlinux>well, i need the new sony module, if i get that 2 work im settle for years, everything else works
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10:02<flami>yeah noone shouting that the new kernel has 3d included and need at least twiche as much ram as the last one .
10:02<lupine>:D
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10:02<isuckatlinux>im going to put that in debian-kernel to see if they answer
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10:02<lupine>or, you know, you could just leave them alone
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10:03<isuckatlinux>no, i need help pal
10:03<lupine>it shows
10:03<flami>they are afraid of people :P only the console and strace can calm them down
10:03<Eulex>flami, the 3d stuff in the kernel is made as modules. it won't occupy more ram.
10:03<lupine>but you'd hardly run out onto the street, grab a random person and demand their help, would you?
10:04<fxiny>any fork coming ?
10:04<isuckatlinux>then, whats the point
10:04<fxiny>:P
10:04<flami>nurse give him 3g of system calls were losing him
10:04<flami>Kernel 3d alpha one released ;)
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10:05<lupine>and here, I thought the internet was serious business...
10:06<fxiny>a serious business ? in this world ?
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10:08<fxiny>take the defender illegal scum for instance
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10:09<GrahamA>Hey, is it possible/easy to setup 64bit Linux that can run 32bit programs... Just so I'm making sense I mean have the 32bit backends to run programs that aren't 64bit
10:10<lupine>GrahamA: all stock 64-bit kernels can run 32-bit programs
10:10<lupine>all you need are the 32-bit libraries
10:10<GrahamA>lupine: Soo... should be fairly easy?
10:10<flami>those normally are in the standard Debian install
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10:10<lupine>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790 <<-- getlibs ftw
10:10<lupine>GrahamA: really easy
10:11<lupine>there's also the chroot approach, which is possibly "cleaner"
10:11<fxiny>GrahamA: another source : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356
10:11<GrahamA>I'm not really going to need all my system folders neat, tidy and polished solong as it works.
10:12<GrahamA>lupine: The Ubuntu one is more relevant, I've got Kubuntu and currently on Debian because I was testing my new 64bit processor.
10:12<lupine>zomg secret agent!
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10:12<GrahamA>lupine: I noticed the THIS IS NOT #UBUNTU part of the title.
10:12<lupine>!pwn GrahamA
10:12<lupine>bah :)
10:13<GrahamA>That doesn't kick me or something?
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10:13<lupine>nah
10:13<GrahamA>Alright.
10:13<lupine>although... that's a good ide
10:13<lupine>...a
10:13<GrahamA>You can be a nasty person.
10:14<lupine>me? never
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10:14<GrahamA>Heh...
10:14<flami>why not get kubuntu 64 bit???
10:14<GrahamA>That's what I'm going to do.
10:14<lupine>why not use debian?
10:14<flami>wella ctually yeah
10:15<flami>screw kubuntu , take the original
10:15<fxiny>hahah
10:15<Eulex>Debian - The best and original
10:15<flami>we got the nice logo !
10:15<GrahamA>I just think it's a bit more "polished".
10:15<lupine>so why not use #ubuntu?
10:15<GrahamA>I mean... I DO like Debian.
10:15<flami>yeah you think
10:15<Eulex>desktop-polished
10:15<GrahamA>I don't like gnome
10:15<GrahamA>I have a Debian server
10:15<Eulex>not stable-polished
10:15<flami>then download the KDE package :P
10:16<flami>aptitude install kdm kde && aptitude purge Gnome gdm
10:17<lupine>totally fails to work
10:17<GrahamA>Easyer to get the netinst cd, not install a desktop and then # apt-get install kdm kde
10:17<flami>OR download the Kde cd
10:17<GrahamA>So there :P
10:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 320] by debhelper
10:19[~]fxiny remove a polished tiny spot from his fluxbox and laugh at the moon
10:19<GrahamA>Why even do that? Might as well Learn C and make my own linux distro :)
10:20<flami>Oh God im scared hes a fluxwolf
10:20<GrahamA>I'll call it "EvenGentooIsn'tthisleet"
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10:20<Eulex>GrahamA, well, you do not need to know C to create a distro
10:20<fxiny>flami: count fluxula theme coming :)
10:21<lupine>mm, you can totally do it in perl
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10:21<fxiny>perl ?
10:21<flami>does count fluxula laught at the moon ?
10:21<flami>python WOoOo
10:21[~]fxiny lights a lupine shaped candle to his Larry Wall altar
10:21[~]lupine haets perl
10:22<fxiny>flami: the count sleeping atm : i'll ask him at midnight
10:22<fxiny>sacrilege !
10:23[~]fxiny lights a ganja shaped candle to his Larry Wall altar
10:23<flami>you must a be a fluxwolf !!!
10:23<fxiny>still hating it ?
10:23<fxiny>flami: i am an iconoclast
10:24<flami>!TCL
10:24<dpkg>tcl is Tool Command Language, or available at http://www.tcl.tk/
10:24<flami>argh
10:24<GrahamA>Does fluxbox have better more useful features than KDE or is KDE just overall heavier?
10:24<fxiny>less is the ultimate target
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10:25<flami>tehn go for commandline only ^^
10:25<lupine>I did that on my laptop for a while
10:25<fxiny>HAL is the intermediate step : no need to click
10:25<zea>hey. anybody knows of a nice app to save passwords?
10:25<lupine>but the framebuffer slurped all the battery power
10:26<flami>zea , pen and paper?
10:26<lupine>/dev/brain
10:26<flami>/dev/brain is really secure
10:26<lupine>yeah. sometimes even root can't access them
10:27<zea>nevermind I asked
10:27[~]GrahamA hacks flami's brain... not alot here.
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10:27<lupine>kwallet does it
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10:27<flami>the point about a password is NOT to save it on the pc ^^
10:27<GrahamA>zea: kwallet or just... you know... kwrite
10:27<weasel>even root cannot access stuff that doesn't exist
10:27<lupine>all ur engrams...
10:27<flami>BBRRrrrBBbbb MOOOO
10:27<lupine>you know the rest
10:27<zea>flami: obviously an app that stores passwords in encrypted form behind a "master" password
10:27<flami>kwallet
10:28<zea>thanks
10:28<zea>I'll check it out
10:28<flami>its still a bad idea :P
10:28<lupine>it's also slow, unwieldy and gets in the way
10:28<flami>If you want your password to be secure /dev/brain beats all
10:28<lupine>still, no accounting for taste
10:29<zea>flami: how about when you have more than 30 passwords?
10:29<fxiny>there are rules for everything , writing good passwords included
10:30<flami>good password == easy to rember but hard to guess
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10:30<fxiny> scrambling a crap password is useless
10:30<zea>paper can be stolen
10:30<Aleric>My passwords are like Lbmag94ga
10:30[~]lupine uses one password for everything
10:30<GrahamA>I use 3 for everything
10:30<zea>i'm not talking about personal passwords here
10:31<Aleric>I use a different, random, password for everything.
10:31<lupine>that it's many characters long, and apart from /dev/brain is only ever md5sum'd, means it's nice and secure
10:31<lupine>certificates for anything that's important, where possible
10:32<flami>zea what exactly do you want to use those passwords for? saving 30 passwords that are not your own might be risky.
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10:32<zea>I have to
10:32<zea>I will have to
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10:33<Aleric>zea: It is better, imho, to use a different password for everything that goes over the net. Because you can't remember those all anyway, you might as well use randomly generated password. I store all password on my harddisk, the most important ones being encrypted and thus protected with a passphrase (one that I have memorized and not stored or written down)
10:33<zea>imagine working at a place where you manage a lot of you're clients infrastructure, remotely
10:34<flami>Ohh
10:34<flami>i see
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10:34<lupine>imagine the furore when someone steals those many passwords
10:34<Aleric>password should NEVER go in plain text over the net. And if they do, don't use them anywhere else.
10:34<zea>of course
10:34<zea>I wondered if there was an app (such as password safe for win.) that was safe to use in linux
10:34<zea>(safe enough)
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10:35<flami>Kwallet might not be what you want , dont use it much , just 1 for the WEP key my friend has.
10:35<lupine>I reallt wouldn't recommend kwallet - or any other PIM, for that matter - for storing passwords that don't belong to you
10:35<Eulex>zea, tried searching in the repos?
10:36<flami>yes saving 30 passwords on your PC that are not even yopur own is risky :/
10:36<zea>Eulex: vaguely
10:37<Aleric>The only passwords that I memorized are for my logins (/etc/passwd passwords), my PGP pass phrase (that I use to encrypte the passwords for used for bank accounts etc), and the pass phrase for the encryption of my harddisk.
10:37<Eulex>zea, did you try a simple apt-cache search password safe?
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10:45<fxiny>anyway you do you must consider the weakest part of a password : lifetime .
10:46<zea>Eulex yes. and there seems to be what i'm looking for. just wondering if anyone knew of proven good apps
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10:47<ans>hi
10:47<ans>about busybox case
10:48<ans>that is infringed by a company
10:49<lupine>the fsf have lawyers and stuff that can help you out
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10:49<ans>http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/sep/20/busybox/complaint.pdf <-- the case
10:51<ans>the s/w in this product is then considered an illegal s/w
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10:52<ans>do you think the consumer still buy this product, eventhough the consumer know that it contain the illegal s/w?
10:53<Arron>what can i use to get a x screenshot?
10:53<stoned>no software is illegal software
10:53<stoned>except software which is obtained by illegal means
10:54<stoned>Arron: scrot
10:54<Arron>tyhanks
10:54<stoned>!info scrot
10:54<dpkg>scrot: (command line screen capture utility), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8-7 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
10:54<ans>the company distribute the s/w illegally
10:54<lupine>haha, nice. they're claiming all profits
10:55<ans>!info libxml1
10:55<flami>Id look here http://www.fsf.org/
10:55<dpkg>libxml1: (GNOME XML library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:1.8.17-14 (sid), Packaged size: 207 kB, Installed size: 516 kB
10:55<lupine>ans: the consumer doesn't commit a crime by receiving the software; the distributor does, by distributing it
10:55<flami>about legal stuff
10:55<stoned>they are distrubuting the software on legal media, however the software license does not enable it to be distributed
10:58<lupine>although, I suppose that resale of the device would also be prohibited
10:58<stoned>its like legally drunk
10:58<lupine>IANAL though
10:58<stoned>if its legal, whats the big deal
10:58<lupine>GPL violations
10:58<stoned>nevermind
10:58<stoned>you totally missed it
10:58<gass>is there some option on any tool to list the packages that are no more in the debian archives?
10:58<lupine>obviously...
10:58<flami>well Id ask my lawer , or a specialist about something alike that :P , Not ask in irc
10:58<lupine>the defendent is going to get quite amusingly pwned, though :D
10:58<ans>like one who redistribute proprietary s/w illegally, the consumer who receive it doesn't commit a crime ?
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10:58<flami>the customer most likely loses support if the s/w is illegal distributed
10:58<lupine>ans: the GPL has been revoked, so you have no rights under the GPL. The GPL only covers distribution of the software
10:59<lupine>so as long as you don't try to sell it, you're fine
10:59<ans>and what about BSA going to sue the consumer who use illegal proprietary s/w ?
10:59<lupine>By using the software, you aren't breaching any license terms
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10:59<lupine>hence, there's nothing to sue for
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11:00<lupine>I think
11:00<ans>hmm
11:00<lupine>the GPL places no restrictions on use of the software, so that's got to be right
11:02<ans>and proprietary s/w place what restriction on use of s/w ?
11:02<lupine>that depends on what license the proprietary software is placed under...
11:02<ans>hmm, you need to comply with GPL to use the s/w
11:02<lupine>no
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11:02<lupine>you need to comply with the GPL to /distribute/ the software
11:02<lupine>you can use it however you like
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11:03<flami>well its tricky if the proprietary software was distributed under a differetn license as the GPL, its actually illegal isnt it ?
11:04<lupine>probably not
11:04<flami>( the license )
11:04<ans>hmm, ok
11:04<flami>ask a lawyer if its taht important ^^
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11:06<lupine>it's not worth loosing any sleep over... unless ans is the defendent in this case ;)
11:07<flami>the defendant is gonna be screwed
11:07<flami>:P
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11:09<ans>for most proprietary software, one of the restriction to use is that you may install only one copy on one machine
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11:09<lupine>I fail to see how that's relevent
11:09<lupine>once the license is breached, busybox doesn't become proprietary software
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11:10<ans>even that the proprietary s/w is distributed illegally by some party, the consumer who receive it, can comply with the eula by install it on only one machine :)
11:12<lupine>no, because the EULA was breached by the violation of other terms
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11:12<lupine>but notice the distinction - that requirement is a restriction on /use/ of the software, not distribution
11:12<ifvoid>the eula is irrelevanbt
11:13<ans>the consumer doesn't breach the eula
11:13<ifvoid>they were (and are still ) distibution the firmware on their website, without any eula
11:13<lupine>mm, I have no idea what sort of argument ans is trying to make
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11:13<lupine>the GPL isn't comparable to an EULA... not reallty
11:13<ifvoid>eulas are not legally binding anyway
11:14<ans>i mean other proprietary s/w, not busybox case
11:14<ifvoid>at least in europe
11:14<lupine>europe ftw :)
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11:18<ans>i see no any requirement that you must have the legal copy to use those proprietary s/w
11:18<ifvoid>copying (ie downloading) of proprietary software is not ollowed unless you have the license
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11:19<ans>if i buy the illegal copy on cdrom ?
11:19<lupine>then you don't have the license
11:19<ifvoid>that's a crime
11:19<ans>i'm not copying it
11:19<lupine>But you don't have the license
11:20<noct>Section 4 of GPLv2 looks like it covers BusyBox customers. (IANAL BTW)
11:20<ans>hmm
11:22<ans>ok
11:22<ans>thanks for your idea
11:23<fxiny>is like if you buy a stolen good : you should check if the lorry had an iron back
11:24<fxiny>i hate the use of the word crime for this software related situations : i can accept the word illegal
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11:24<the_bull>hello all
11:24<the_bull>i want to knw abt 8086 assembly compiler+editor in debian/linux
11:25<lupine>nasm ftw
11:25<the_bull>which one is best for 8086 assembly compiler+editor?
11:25<lupine>plus ant random editor
11:25<lupine>any*
11:25[~]lupine huggles kate
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11:26<the_bull>is there nyone who cn help me with 8086 assembler?
11:26<lupine>the_bull: nasm + kate
11:27<the_bull>lupine, which one is what? nasm for what and kate for what?
11:27<lupine>nasm is the network assembler. kate is an editor
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11:28<the_bull>lupine, can i use nasm for standalone machine?
11:28<lupine>sure
11:29<lupine>it's just a name
11:29<the_bull>lupine, thnx bro
11:29<lupine>np
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11:31<stroyan>fxiny: It's a tort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort
11:31<fxiny>a tort ?
11:31<fxiny>going to check
11:32<stroyan>It says "One who commits a tortious act is called a "tortfeasor"." I wonder if anyone actually calls someone a tortfeasor. ;-)
11:33<lupine>it has a certain... ring to it
11:34<fxiny>stroyan: i see . so killing a man on the street is a crime . watching a movie in a room is a crime . killing another man in a field is not a crime but war . watching the same movie in a cinema is not anymore a crime . you know what all of this is ? is the law . so i am right : i will say illegal but not crime
11:34<fxiny>stroyan: :)
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11:36<ans>hmm
11:36<ans>for the case of acroread eula
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11:37<ans>you need to register to redistribute acrobat reader
11:37<fxiny>atrope acroread ? i was just thinking to remve the last unofficial i upgrade it yesterday
11:38<ans>the one who register, also receive the right to distribute the license ?
11:39<ans>or just the right to redistribute the acrobat reader ?
11:39<lupine>just the reader
11:39<ans>hmm, the third party who receive the reader, does receive the license to use the s/w ?
11:40<ans>hmm, the third party who receive the reader, does NOT receive the license to use the s/w ?
11:40<valdyn>ans: ask a lawyer
11:40<lupine>use, yes. redistribute, no
11:40<ans>they receive the license in what way ?
11:41[~]lupine gives up
11:41<fxiny>in the atrope case . they receive a special version of the software
11:41<ans>???
11:42<ans>normal proprietary s/w, the consumer receive the license by buying the legal copy
11:42<fxiny>open source software offers only one version and to anyone : that's a big difference
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11:43<ans>GPL does explicitly declare the way the consumer receive the license
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11:44<fxiny>gpl is to protect us : i have a box full of software , it the long arm of the law come i have layers telling 'em off for me
11:44<ans>``6. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the
11:44<ans>Program), the recipient automatically receives a license from the
11:44<ans>original licensor to copy, distribute or modify ...''
11:44<fxiny>they are so ignorant
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11:48<fxiny>consumer ? we are users not consumers
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11:48[~]ans going to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license
11:48<silver1234>bzed noch da?
11:48<lupine>!de
11:48<dpkg>somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)
11:49<fxiny>how can you compare a windows consumer to a debian user ? :)))
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11:50<ans>whatever :)
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11:51<lupine>the two camps seem to be moving closer and closer together, recently...
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11:51<fxiny>i noticed
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11:52<fxiny>this chan too is full of "folders" hahahahah :)
11:52<ans>via ubuntu :b
11:53<bobogus>is this the Debian help channel?
11:53<fxiny>yes
11:53<lupine>purportedly
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11:55<bobogus>I'm using Debian 4 and KDE. I tried accessing one of my partitions via "Storage Media" on konqueror but it doesn't do anything
11:55<bobogus>is this a permission problem?
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11:55<lupine>could well be. is /etc/fstab set up appropriately?
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11:56<bobogus>I'm not really used to having to configure things manually (coming from Ubuntu and Suse)
11:56<bobogus>I'll take a look...
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11:57<sepski>bobogus, perhaps you need to have the user accessing the partition in the disk group
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11:58<bobogus>it seems fstab doesn't have any entries for the partitions I'm trying to access
11:58<lupine>that's automagic for uid 1000
11:58<lupine>heh. you should probably add them, then
11:58<stoned>
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11:59<fxiny>bobogus: configuring things "manually" is easier : instead of pulling down menus read man <app>
11:59<fxiny>a menu hide things
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12:00<bobogus>so I should add the partitions to fstab AND add my user to the disk group?
12:00<lupine>yep, and yep. though you should already be in the disk group
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12:00<lupine>can't hurt to check
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12:01<bobogus>from what the Kde user manager says, I'm not in the disk group
12:01<bobogus>should I also be in the 'haldaemon' group?
12:01<lupine>you'll need to relog to make group changes take effect, of course
12:02<lupine>nope
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12:06<bobogus>should I set the fstype to auto?
12:07<lupine>if it's liable to change frequently
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12:07<lupine>otherwise, set it to whatever it is
12:07<bobogus>if it's FAT32 should I just type FAT or FAT32?
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12:07<lupine>vfat
12:07<lupine>!vfatrw
12:07<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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12:08<lupine>you'll want that too
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12:09<fxiny>how stable is ntfs-3g ?
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12:10<bobogus>when I use the uid and gid parameters, does that mean the ownership of the partition's mount point?
12:11<lupine>it's applied to all files within the partition. dunno about the mount point itself
12:11<fxiny>i mean : is mounting a "pathetic" fat dedicated partition better then mounting a dedicated ntfs via ntfs-3g ?
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12:11<lupine>fxiny: I would use fat, given a choice between the two
12:11<bobogus>lupine, but is it the ownership or the permission?
12:11<lupine>ownership
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12:12<lupine>permissions are dealt with by the umask
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12:13<bobogus>if I leave it blank then the system will give the ownership to the root user?
12:13<lupine>yep
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12:13<fxiny>lupine: moving stuff from a slave (swap) fat to a master ntfs takes ages
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12:15<bobogus>what's the permission order again? I mean rwx.... Is it owner,group,others ?
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12:15<lupine>exactly right
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12:15<lupine>3 bits per class
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12:16<bobogus>and which group applies for the permission, the owner's group?
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12:16<lupine>whichever group is set in gid
12:16<lupine>(or root by default)
12:16<bobogus>oh, so there's a gid bit for every file?
12:17<lupine>well, yes. every file has an owner and a group
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12:21<bobogus>ok then, I've came up with the following for the options section:
12:22<bobogus> defaults,gid=100,umask=002
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12:22<bobogus>so the owner should be root, but the users will have rw access, is that right?
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12:23<bobogus>since group 100 is the users group
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12:23<lupine>you need umask=022
12:23<lupine>no, 002
12:23<lupine>d'oh
12:23<lupine>yes, that should work
12:24<E0x>hello
12:24<E0x>i am looking for a howto to get connect a linux client to a vpn windows server pptp
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12:25<bobogus>so all a user needs is to be in the users group? or also in the disk group?
12:25<lupine>user's group
12:25<lupine>and the disk group if the user will be doing the mounting
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12:26<bobogus>ok then, thanks
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12:26<bobogus>oh, just one other thing, would you say that the ntfs driver is solid/reliable enough ?
12:26<lupine>I wouldn't
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12:28<bobogus>I've got this ntfs partition, which is actually a dump, so there's no actual permition restrictions
12:28<bobogus>everyone has full controll on every file. Do you think it would work well under linux?
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12:32<fxiny>bobogus: i don't know about ntfs-3g , that's why i asked before . i know you can use ext3 to store data and load on xp from there with drivers . so you have a third option which is an ext3 partition as dump
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12:33<bobogus>I was using FAT until now, but since it doesn't handle files larger than 4GB I had to use another fs
12:34<bobogus>fxiny, I'll try that
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12:34<fxiny>bobogus: lemme check the drive name , i know one is pretty buggy
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12:34<fxiny>driver*
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12:36<roid>hi, i was told that root password and user password are stored in plaintext as an install log, is this true?
12:37<bobogus>just one other question, how do I make the boot messages appear in 1024x768? and maybe display some icon on the top, like some distros have?
12:37<fxiny>bobogus: ext2ifs_1_10c , i've checked it long ago to load a 6G iso : use it at your own risk
12:38<fxiny>no idea if still works
12:38<bobogus>fxiny: ok, thanks
12:38<fxiny>bobogus: hope it works : ext3 is much better then the pathetic vfat
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12:41<stroyan>bobogus: http://www.fs-driver.org/ has the ext2 support for windows
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12:41<stroyan>bobogus: (You can use it with ext3, but it doesn't actually use a journal.)
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12:41<bobogus>stroyan: ok, thanks. Is it stable/reliable?
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12:42<stroyan>bobogus: It seems to be stable. I haven't used it much. But it has been around for quite a while.
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12:44<bobogus>and do you know anything about the boot screen resolution?
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12:48<stroyan>bobogus: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html
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12:49<stroyan>Wow. That howto is old. Do it like that, but better. :-)
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12:51<stroyan>You will be adding the video=vesa in /boot/grub/menu.lst instead of using lilo as the howto says.
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12:55<bobogus>ok, but where do I select the video mode?
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12:59<stroyan>bobogus: you can use a vga=* kernel option with a mode. Or you can use vga=ask to get a menu of modes.
12:59<bobogus>oh, ok
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13:00<stroyan>bobogus: There are vendor specific *fb drivers that may work better than the vesafb driver. But you need to match your hardware.
13:00<isuckatlinux>how can i kill x? when i try ctrl shift backsp it restarts
13:00<lupine>kill the x/k/gdm process
13:00<lupine>/etc/init.d/?dm stop
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13:01<stroyan>isuckatlinux: You can also use crtl-alt-# to go around X to a text console without stopping X. It is faster if it matches what you need.
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13:03<bobogus>so I should put "video=vesa" anywhere in menu.lst and "vga=0x305" on the kernel section of a menu entry?
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13:04<xbaez>hi
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13:05<isuckatlinux>thanks man
13:05<stroyan>bobogus: They are both kernel options. They go in a "kernel" line or an option line like "kopt=video=vesa"
13:05<xbaez>i have a trouble with my ibook g4 ? the battery not work anymore so now the time is wrong always when i start the system, there is a way to fix that or i need to buy another battery ?
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13:12<neosix>hello!
13:13<uruclef>hi!
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13:18<neosix>can enybody tell me some programe for video recording with webcam
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13:20<isuckatlinux>xawtv
13:20<isuckatlinux>motion
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13:21<isuckatlinux>camstream
13:21<isuckatlinux>camorama
13:21<isuckatlinux>all webcam stuff
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13:21<neosix>camorama takes only pictures
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13:21<isuckatlinux>xawtv is the best, motion is awesome 2
13:22<neosix>OK, thanks man
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13:28<bobogus>stroyan: so I should put "video=vesa" first and "vga=0x305" on the same kernel line?
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13:36<torrr>if inotify don't ofer recursivity , how can recursivity be implemented?
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13:38<Supaplex>!inotify
13:38<dpkg>A replacement for dnotify, currently in kernels >= 2.6.13 -- see: http://www.edoceo.com/creo/inotify/
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13:42<catalino>what can it be that i do not have iptables nor any other firewall and still seems to not allow any incoming conexion when i use rtorrent?, im on debian etch stable behind well configured router. can there be something im missing?
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13:43<Jasons>catalino: the router? your isp?
13:43<catalino>no, i have other machine with gentoo and there is no problem
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13:45<catalino>ohhhhhhhh, i found the problem
13:45<catalino>sorry XD
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13:50<Supaplex>catalino: what was the problem?
13:50<Supaplex>humm...
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13:50<Supaplex>what causes xsane to report a device is busy? it works fine as root.
13:51<fxiny>he needed a catalist
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13:53<fxiny>damn y s/i/y/
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13:57<cahoot>Supaplex, insufficient groupmembership -scanner?
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14:03<Supaplex>cahoot: yup =)
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14:20<torrr>how can recursivity be implemented in inotify?
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14:26<Supaplex>cahoot: you rawk. <3 xsane
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14:30<padski>did I used to need 400MB or 34 languages of tex to compile gnustep-make ?
14:31<Supaplex>gramatticly that makes no sense.
14:31<padski>Supaplex: who me ?
14:31<Supaplex>yes
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14:31<Supaplex>are you asking what the prerequsites are for gnustep-make?
14:32<padski>it is structurally ambiguous, much as "I saw the bus coming round the corner on my bicycle" is. you can interpret it as you see fit.
14:32<Supaplex>'did I used' is in error.
14:32<padski>I just upgraded from sarge to lenny. tex seemed to keep wanting to install a lot of stuff.
14:33<padski>Supaplex: I used to.
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14:33<padski>Supaplex: as in: I used to do latin but I still couldn't tell you what a subjunctive is.
14:33<Supaplex>ok. so now it does not install a lot of stuff, and you're wondering what else you might need.
14:34<Supaplex>some of us spend all our lives mastering one language, but yeah. :)
14:34<padski>Supaplex: I know what I need. 400MB more space than I have. I has room before.
14:34<padski>sorry, I had room before :-)
14:34<Supaplex>so is there a question, or was this a statement?
14:35<padski>yes. in sarge did I really need 400MB and 34 languages of tex, or has something changed ?
14:35<Supaplex>eg, do you need help with something?
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14:35<Supaplex>I imagine a lot has changed. 1m, reviewing backlog again.
14:36<padski>yes, I need help understanding why lexlive-lang-norwegian is at all usefull for me to build gnustep-make
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14:36<valdyn>padski: that source package probable includes documentation too
14:37<padski>good suggestions on how to go about finding 400MB of packages I can remove to make room, woudl also be good.
14:37<valdyn>padski: apt-get -b whatever <package> builds _all_ packages built from that source , not just <package>
14:38<padski>valdyn:sadly, I understand how it comes about. but I was short on space before the upgrade. now I seem to be 400MB short. I *never* used to install tex until debian :-)
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14:38<valdyn>padski: etch just split up one large package into many
14:38<padski>is there a way for me to opt out of vietnamese now ?
14:39<valdyn>padski: dont build?
14:39<padski>actually, theres a question. I;m getting a new Translations file at apt-get time ?
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14:40<valdyn>padski: translations of the Packages file
14:40<padski>valdyn: thank you, that is a comfort :-) From past experience, if I have trouble building, I would need to repeat in pbuilder (and buy a bigger hdd) ;-)
14:40<padski>valdyn: ah!
14:40<valdyn>padski: its just there, i doubt that much is translated though
14:40<padski>valdyn: so will it say "colour" now ?
14:41<valdyn>padski: 'Ign' means that you dont really get it btw
14:41<valdyn>padski: like: Ign http://aptproxy experimental/contrib Translation-de
14:43<padski>valdyn: I get en_GB translations. do the yanks get en_US translations, or do they still claiming that 'estrogen' is correct ?
14:44<valdyn>padski: i suppse every locale getes translations, just some less, some more
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14:50<padski>can packages be packaged in any language ?
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14:51<chealer>padski: what do you mean by "packaged in a language"?
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14:58<kristian>QUE PEDAL?
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15:02<padski>chealer: parts of the packaging are natural language. do DDs create packages in which that language is whatever non-english language they use ?
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15:02<valdyn>padski: the Packages file just contains package descriptions. Those descriptions can be translated in the Translations files
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15:03<valdyn>padski: no way, they use english by default
15:03<chealer>padski: which language? there are many natural languages.
15:04<padski>so even if I were a chinese DD, I would package in english ?
15:04<valdyn>padski: there is a few chinese DD
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15:04<chealer>padski: what do you mean by "package in english"?
15:05<xufumon>Is anyone available to help me out w/ configuring my sound card?
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15:05<padski>chealer: write the natural lanbuage parts of the packaging inenglish
15:05<chealer>!tell xufumon about ask
15:05<valdyn>padski: why ask? its a silly question, debian would be unusable
15:05<padski>chealer: for example the description in the packages file
15:06<dvs>xufumon: it depends if it works or not. ;-)
15:07<chealer>padski: it depends on the part. for the descriptions I think the default has to be English, same for copyright.
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15:07<xufumon>Well, I just installed Etch, ran alsaconf, alsactl store...
15:07<dvs>xufumon: did you reboot?
15:07<xufumon>But KDE is giving me an artsmessage error:
15:07<padski>valdyn: I don't think so. why would it not be usable with translations.
15:08<xufumon>"device: default can't be opened for playback"
15:08<xufumon>yes, i rebooted
15:08<xufumon>And the module is loaded too.
15:08<uruclef>xufumon, have you chosen the right device?
15:08<valdyn>padski: it has no translations, just sid ( maybe lenny now too ) has the infrastructure for that.
15:08<xufumon>Yep.
15:08<dvs>xufumon: I don't use arts personally.
15:08[~]xufumon tries alsa
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15:09<padski>valdyn: It was seeing the infrastructure that caused me to ask the question.
15:10<valdyn>padski: aye
15:10<floflo530>Hello !!
15:10<sputnick>hello :)
15:10<floflo530>I am french and you
15:11<sputnick>who knows a command tool to convert an UTF8 file to iso-8859-15 ? is vi do that ?
15:11<sputnick>like me ;)
15:11<valdyn>sputnick: recode
15:11<Vakio>sputnick: iconv
15:11<xufumon>dvs: ALSA doesn't work either
15:11<sputnick>ok thanks.
15:11<valdyn>!doesn't work
15:11<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
15:11<dvs>xufumon: have you tried running the alsamixer?
15:11<sputnick>where you from floflo530 ?
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15:12<floflo530>i am from paris
15:12<niktaris>any workarounds for " debian hal-storage-removable-mount-all options refused" ?
15:12<sputnick>floflo530: I'm from Paris too :)
15:13<floflo530>Yes i am from paris i am real French i am 15 old years and i coder
15:14<floflo530>linux for ever !!!/!\
15:14<floflo530>Windows for noob
15:14<xufumon>Okay, alsamixer works fine and doesn't display any error message.
15:15<xufumon>I tried playing back audio w/ VLC and xmms, and it hangs.
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15:15<valdyn>xufumon: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav
15:15<sputnick>floflo530: tu code qu'en bash ou d'autres languages ?
15:15<valdyn>!fr
15:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
15:16<sputnick>clap clap to the bot, he understand french :)
15:16<floflo530>euh le bash c cho je prefere php html Xhtml mes aussi java et je debute en ajax
15:16<floflo530>!f
15:16<dpkg>f is, like, a letter of the alphabet, or m*a
15:16<floflo530>!fr
15:16<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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15:17<xufumon>valdyn: aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav hangs too when it uses ALSA
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15:18<floflo530>mlol
15:18<valdyn>xufumon: hangs with which message?
15:18<valdyn>!lol
15:18<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
15:18<weasel>hah
15:18<dvs>lol
15:18<weasel>dpkg++
15:19<fxiny>super-toy
15:19<xufumon>valdyn: it doesn't give a message, it just sits idle
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15:19<valdyn>xufumon: anything in dmesg?
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15:19<valdyn>xufumon: uh, paste the output of 'lsmod' on a paste site
15:20<padski>give me one reason why I should delete kde instead on gnome ?
15:20<dvs>because it's better?
15:20<xufumon>valdyn: yes, clocking to 41158
15:20<uruclef>ah, kde vs gnome battles
15:20<pumpkin0>padski: save space and install xfce ?
15:20<uruclef>how many memories!
15:20<mloar>fluxbox ftw
15:21<uruclef>openbox for great justice!
15:21<uruclef>or xfce4
15:21<valdyn>xufumon: sounds to me like a broken driver or a driver loaded together with an oss driver
15:21<padski>dvs: that it'll teach it. trying to be better!
15:21<valdyn>xufumon: so i need that paste
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15:21<fxiny>padski: because you don't use kate but emacs
15:21<fxiny>flux flux
15:21<padski>pumpkin0: I tried switching to xfce the other day. I forget what happenned. I think it was just a bit too much of a shock.
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15:22<xufumon>valdyn: just a sec
15:22<padski>fxiny: vi
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15:22<pumpkin0>padski: yes, i'm always shock by the speed and the free space on my HD and ... stuff.
15:22<fxiny>padski: vi ? ok . enjoy kde then
15:22<infestator>hi all!
15:23<infestator>can anybody help me with this: attempt to access beyond end of device?
15:23<fxiny>i have kde installed on a spare box
15:23<valdyn>infestator: when doing what?
15:23<pumpkin0>infestator: what did you do before that errormsg ?
15:24<fxiny>i have to admit k3b is very good
15:24<infestator>i trying to copy files from udf dvd to my local fs
15:24<infestator>it's bug in udf, i think
15:24<pumpkin0>infestator: that sounds like a badly burned DVD.
15:24<valdyn>infestator: right
15:24<infestator>no
15:24<infestator>that's bug in linux's udf dvd implementation
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15:24<valdyn>infestator: maybe, then file a bug report
15:25<infestator>dd if=/dev/hda of=dump says nothing bad
15:25<infestator>heh =) there's a lot of bug reports =)
15:25<fxiny>file file so we can burn a 4G+ isos . file file
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15:25<valdyn>infestator: that could aswell mean that the fs on that dvd is broken
15:25<fxiny>this udf limit suks
15:25<valdyn>infestator: that dd working proves nothing
15:25<pumpkin0>infestator: dd stops w/o error at the end of the burned media.
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15:25<fxiny>why dd ? use cp
15:26<infestator>i've got many such dvd's, and there's problem with all of them
15:26<padski>noone mentioned that removeing gdm would bring my whole session crashing down, so noone gets a prize :-)
15:26<infestator>cp says error at the end of the disk
15:26<user1-000-000>does ATI work well now?
15:26<fxiny>so is your burner f*
15:26<pumpkin0>infestator: how did you burn them or are they all pressed ?
15:27<fxiny>my dvd are fine
15:27<user1-000-000>it's been 12 months since i tried
15:27<valdyn>user1-000-000: ATI doesnt work, they're lazy =/
15:27<infestator>i burned them in nero under windows
15:27<pumpkin0>user1-000-000: depends on your card.
15:27<fxiny>hahah nero heheheh
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15:27<fxiny>goog news
15:27<fxiny>good*
15:27<pumpkin0>infestator: and windoze can read them ?
15:27<user1-000-000>pumpkin0: X1950 GT
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15:27<pumpkin0>user1-000-000: come back in 1, maybe 3 years.
15:27<infestator>yes =)
15:28<user1-000-000>pumpkin0: lol yeah, this sucks
15:28<fxiny>is it that 900Mb bloathed nero ?
15:28<infestator>there's another line in log, it looks like this: Sep 23 00:16:00 inf kernel: hda: rw=0, want=25887420, limit=6368444
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15:28<valdyn>infestator: that is the same error
15:28<infestator>on every cd there's the same value of limit
15:28<fxiny>limit ? thee is a 4G file limit on udf
15:28<infestator>yes, the same
15:29<infestator>i know
15:29<pumpkin0>infernix: How big are these files ?
15:29<fxiny>k3b refuses to burn
15:29<infestator>it's not the filesize limit
15:29<infestator>small files, about 5-10 mbv
15:29<infestator>mb
15:29<fxiny>mount it as udf
15:29<valdyn>infestator: your udf filesystem has files going beyond the end of the device. We cant tell or fix if that's the kernel or the disks fault..
15:29<infestator>i've mounted =) it's not iso/udf. it's just udf
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15:30<infestator>i thought, maybe someone had the same problem here, because a lot of information i've found with google, but no solution =(
15:31<fxiny>i never ever had problems burning on etch
15:31<valdyn>infestator: no issues, but linux doesn't even have a tool to create plain udf fs afaik
15:31<infestator>i've sid =)
15:31<fxiny>just that stupid imho limit
15:31<fxiny>sarge had no limits
15:32<ErJeDi>hi fxiny
15:32<infestator>thanks all, bye
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15:33<fxiny>ErJeDi: hi ergy
15:33<ErJeDi>;)
15:33<ErJeDi>what's up fxiny?
15:34<fxiny>ErJeDi: waiting to get a decent scare from watching 1408 , very boring
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15:34<ErJeDi>ooo sorry fxiny
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15:34<fxiny>no worries . is very boring
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15:40<padski>oh no!! I just purged gnome-games! does that mean I've lost all my five-or-more high scores ?
15:41<amphi>padski: no, the package manager won't touch anything in $HOME
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15:43<padski>amphi: I thought game hi-scores were system wide and stored under var somewhere
15:44<amphi>padski: they are? dunno - why not look and see whether the file is still there?
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15:44<lambda>hello
15:44<lambda>I have a .deb package
15:45<padski>amphi: dunno, can't seem to find either yet. I guess I'll try re-installing :-)
15:45<lambda>How can I installing it and the dependencies ?
15:46<lambda>dpkg -i unsatisfacted dependencies
15:46[~]dpkg installs unsatisfacted dependencies into lambda's head with a bone saw and a few screws
15:46<amphi>heheh
15:46<rage>padski: hi, i think you can find them at /usr/games
15:46<lambda>don't kid please
15:46<chealer>hehe
15:46<pumpkin0>lambda: that is the channel-bot. He does not kid...
15:47<chealer>lambda: if you don't mind, which package is it?
15:47<padski>rage: I really hope not. wouldn't work very well if /usr were mounted ro ?
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15:48<rage>hi guys, would you known if sl-modem-source has a fix already for lenny? it keeps FTBSing on me
15:48<chealer>rage: check the BTS
15:48<lambda>chealer --> http://213.251.181.65/promethee_6-1_i386.deb
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15:49<padski>If I install gnome-games, will I need to install libparted ?
15:50<rage>chealer: already did, bug got redirected to the kernel devs, hoping someone here had a patch
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15:50<chealer>padski: why would you need to install libparted for gnome-games?
15:51<chealer>rage: which bug #?
15:51<rage>padski: as i understand high-scores had to be kept where any user with an account could "affect" it and yeah
15:51<rage>that would be a prob if /usr were mounted ro
15:52<chealer>lambda: you could use gdebi
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15:54<lambda>euh...
15:54<lambda>a apt-get -f install fix the issue :)
15:54<rage>chealer: my bad, it wasn "reassigned" #441993
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15:55<rage>chealer: i meant it wasn't redirected by reassigned #441993
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15:55<rage>chealer: by == but
15:55<gameon1>any1 using JanusVM here?
15:55<chealer>rage: I think your miscopied the bug #, that's an orpheus bug.
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15:57<rage>chealer: i dunno, here's the link: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=441993
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15:57<chealer>rage: ah, *my* bad. sorry
15:57<gameon1>can someone please help me with JanusVM
15:58<rage>chealer: no prob, it was just that sl-modem worked perfectly with sarge and now... me still hopes
15:58<chealer>rage: it's not a sl-modem-source bug, it's a Linux bug.
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15:59<rage>chealer: you mean the paravirt? yeah, i'll try recompiling the kernel without paravirt tom
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16:00<chealer>rage: yes. the real report is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419943
16:06<rage>chealer: thanks, i see my only options are either to recompile 2.6.21 or wait for 2.6.22 in lenny
16:07<chealer>rage: you can also, and should presumably prefer, use sid's 2.6.22.
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16:10<pumpkin0>about 2.6.21: are there known, serious bugs related to suspend-to-RAM in 2.6.21 ?
16:11<rage>chealer: okay, thanks so much for the advice
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16:23<schoappied>hi, what kernel does lenny have right now?
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16:28<chealer>schoappied: Linux 2.6.21
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16:30<schoappied>chealer: ok thanks, what is the exact number?
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16:32<chealer>schoappied: 2.6.21.6
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16:33<schoappied>thanks, I need it for my /boot/grub/menu.lst
16:33<chantanito>has anyone installed compiz-fusion on lenny?
16:34<dli>schoappied, you should use " update-grub"
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16:34<schoappied>dli: I have some problems after installing Fedora
16:35<schoappied>so I want to edit the menu.lst by hand... maybe someone with lenny can help me?
16:35<chantanito>i have installed it and when executing it i have no borders :(
16:35<dli>schoappied, this is #debian :(
16:36<schoappied>its a Debian question
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16:36<mikegrb>dli: fedora is the next stable
16:36[~]mikegrb runs
16:37<chantanito>¿can anybody help me please?
16:37<mikegrb>hmm that came out wrong
16:37<mikegrb>chantanito: asking a question is usually a good place to start
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16:40<chantanito>does anybody knows how is the name of the applet that gives me the information 'bout the battery?
16:40<uruclef>gbattery? :D
16:40<uruclef>just guessing
16:40<chantanito>uruclef: no idea...
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16:42<chantanito>any other ideas?
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16:45<shardz_ez>you can get a dockapp to look at it
16:45<shardz_ez>dockapps.org
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17:01<Villarroel>Hi.
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17:10<Villarroel>What is pure64?
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17:14<shardz_ez>i got a question, i got one drive in this comp with debian on it, if i unplug that, put one in and install windows on it then put the deb one back in, think i can make it dual boot?
17:14<cec>Hi having a problem with wireless since a resent update: ipw 3945abg is detected, driver installed etc so I think it may be an interface issue but I'm not sure. Using lenny with 2.6.22-1-686. Out put of ifconfig -a and /etc/network/interfaces posted here:http://paste.debian.net/37765. My problem is that the network monitor does not even show a signal so I cant ping my router or anything else for that matter. Thanks
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17:16<cec>I should add, I'm and end user so not too knowledgeable about such things.
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17:20<cec_>Hi having a problem with wireless since a resent update: ipw 3945abg is detected, driver installed etc so I think it may be an interface issue but I'm not sure. Using lenny with 2.6.22-1-686. Out put of ifconfig -a and /etc/network/interfaces posted here:http://paste.debian.net/37765. My problem is that the network monitor does not even show a signal so I cant ping my router or anything else for that matter. Thanks
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17:22[~]shardz_ez doesnt know anything about wireless
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17:23<cec>shardz_ez, :-) thanks anyway
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17:23<Villarroel>Recent laptops are such a pain in the ass. I i'm trying to install debian right now.
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17:25<cec>Could someone who uses lenny just paste there /etc/network/interfaces file for me? Thanks
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17:29[~]cec yawns
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17:30<Villarroel>cec, you need something like:
17:30<Villarroel>"allow-hotplug ethx"
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17:31<Villarroel>"iface ethx inet dhcp"
17:31<Villarroel>replace x with the number of your interface.
17:33<cec>ok thanks Villarroel i have one for my Ethernet eth1 but not wireles eth2 so I need both right?
17:33<Villarroel>cec ask dpkg about ndiswrapper.
17:33<cec>k thanks
17:36<uruclef>wireless should be something like wlan0
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17:37<cec_>Maybe that is where the issue is. I have eth2 for wireless
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17:38<cec_>I made those changes to my interfaces but no difference
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17:39<jB23>saluy
17:39<jB23>hi
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17:39<shardz_ez>su
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17:39<shardz_ez>whats the name of a package with.. "most common" fonts?
17:39<cec_>Have to go bbl. Thanks for trying
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17:40<jB23>su root
17:40<jB23>lsmod | grep alcool
17:40<jB23>=D
17:41<jB23>modprobe beer
17:41<jB23>halt
17:41<jB23>fuck sorry
17:41<jB23>lol
17:41<shardz_ez>was wondering, lol
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17:42<jB23>lol
17:43<shardz_ez>anyone know a good font pack?
17:43<jB23> debian art
17:43<Jasons>shardz_ez: define good? ive installed mscore iirc
17:44<shardz_ez>well, just basic fonts
17:44<shardz_ez>some webpages arent working
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17:44<isuckatlinux>what apps u guys use for divx and video manipulation?
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17:45<jB23>isuckatlinux, u can use avidemux
17:45<jB23>aptitude show avidemux
17:45<isuckatlinux>dvd2one, is it good?
17:46<jB23>i dont know
17:47<isuckatlinux>its not among my sources, any other apps u know?
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17:50<jB23>nop
17:50<jB23>isuckatlinux, avidemux rox !
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17:51<isuckatlinux>im looking for it
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17:54<uruclef>shardz_ez, try installing msttcorefonts
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18:00<shardz_ez>apt doesnt seem to like msttcorefonts
18:01<shardz_ez>maybe its just dillo doesnt like some fonts, i seem to have all the normal xfonts
18:01<Jasons>shardz_ez: pastebin.ca your sources.list, i run etch and its in there
18:02<shardz_ez>well, i run sarge
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18:03<freehat>Do you have contrib enabled?
18:03<Jasons>it was in sarge as well
18:03<joe_19>can someone help me i close the notification area in my debian lenny and also deseaper the network manager any idea how do i get them back
18:03<shardz_ez>er, well i guess im running etch.. lol
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18:04<freehat>msttcorefonts is in the repository, but it's not in the "main" it's in the "contrib"
18:04<shardz_ez>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main
18:04<freehat>add contrib to the end
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18:04<Jasons>shardz_ez: yep, add contrib to it
18:04<freehat>etch main contrib
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18:05<shardz_ez>just add contrib to each one?
18:05<freehat>just to the ftp.us.debian.org
18:06<freehat>deb and deb-src
18:06[~]Jasons curious as to what each one shardz_ez was
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18:09<shardz_ez>what is pastebin.ca ?
18:09<Supaplex>lousy. use rafb.net/paste instead
18:09<Supaplex></imo>
18:09<Jasons>Supaplex: .ca not .com
18:10<Supaplex>there's less clutter on rafb's page. it's easy to chop the .html and use .txt for GET's user agent.
18:12<shardz_ez>http://rafb.net/p/oP4f8B16.html
18:12<shardz_ez>well, dillo didnt like pastebin.ca
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18:14<shardz_ez>so, anything wrong with that, Jasons ?
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18:17<freehat>shardz_ez, looks good
18:17<freehat>apt-get update
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18:17<bueno>hi
18:17<shardz_ez>yup
18:17<shardz_ez>ty
18:18<bueno>i've a question about installing debian lenny (testing)
18:18<bueno>i downloaded the actual debian testing build (but only CD1)...
18:19<bueno>i tried to burn the iso file on a CD... but there was an error... maybe i have to do something with the md5sums?
18:19<freehat>What are you using to burn the CD?
18:19<lupine>maybe. do the md5sums match?
18:19<bueno>i dont know... if ound the file md5sums on downloadserver of debian... do i have to burn it too on the disk
18:19<bueno>i dont know how to do that..
18:19<lupine>md5sum <filename.iso>
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18:19<bueno>Nero
18:19<lupine>compare the long string of text
18:19<bueno>im using nero
18:19<shardz_ez>what did you use to burn it with?
18:20<lupine>yuck, nero
18:20<shardz_ez>ah
18:20<bueno>i am currently @windows
18:20<bueno>=/
18:20<lupine>ah, so no md5sum command either
18:20<bueno>jap =(
18:21<freehat>what was the error
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18:21<bueno>disk at once couldnt start...
18:21<bueno>he cant read a block ore something
18:23<freehat>Well it sounds like a problem with nero or windows.. or your ISO file itself.
18:23<lupine>I think that covers every possible error source
18:23<lupine>except maybe the media
18:23<freehat>I don't know any iso burning software on windows that's free
18:24<bueno>i tink ashampoo burning tool
18:24<lupine>http://www.free-codecs.com/download/ISOBurn.htm ?
18:24<bueno>thats free
18:24<bueno>why should it bee a free one?
18:24<lupine>nero should be able to do it though
18:25<bueno>okay
18:26<bueno>i will try tomorrow with another burning software
18:26<freehat>or try another ISO file
18:26<bueno>no i have to go to bed... in vienna its 1:26 in the mornin^^
18:26<lupine>lightweight :p
18:26<bueno>hehe
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18:26<lupine>sweet dreams
18:26<bueno>but thanks for help
18:30<bueno>good nite @all
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18:37<joe_19>i have a problem whit the network manager it sudenly desapear the applet and i cant see it but in the notificacion of conection etc y pop up the daialgo
18:38<joe_19>and i think is beauces i clouse the notification area
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18:42<sputnick>I don't remember the x command to know the height & weight of screen. is someone here knows ?
18:42<freehat>weight?
18:42<sputnick>sure edit x.conf do the job, but I know there a command
18:42<sputnick>width
18:42<sputnick>sorry
18:42<sputnick>my english sucks
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18:43<lupine>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
18:43<Eulex>sputnick, as in resolution? xdpyinfo|grep dimensions
18:43<sputnick>no
18:43<lupine>oh, get.. not edit
18:43<lupine>d'oh
18:43<sputnick>thnaks Eulex that's it !
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18:44<lupine>xrandr gets it too
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18:45<sputnick>free :
18:45<sputnick>xdpyinfo|awk '/dimensions/ {print $2}'
18:45<sputnick>give the exact resolution :)
18:45<sputnick>my paypal is 556895
18:45<lupine>xrandr |grep \* :p
18:45<sputnick>=]
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18:46<sputnick>lupine: ca you explain your regexp ?
18:47<sputnick>*can
18:47<lupine>I'm escaping "*" from the shell, so grep looks for the * character in the output
18:47<lupine>it's hardly a regex
18:47<sputnick>ok!
18:48<lupine>works quite nicely, though; gives the refresh rate, too
18:48<sputnick>I've just see the complete output of the command, so now I understand :)
18:48<lupine>:)
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18:59<BoBo_BoSs>how install mysql ?
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18:59<lupine>apt-get install mysql-server
19:00<lupine>fini
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19:07<BoBo_BoSs>and how install pcre ?
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19:08[~]BoBo_BoSs slaps lupine around a bit with a large trout
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19:11<sputnick>apt-cache search pcre
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19:12<BoBo_BoSs>and GeoIP ?
19:12<sputnick>apt-get install libpcre3
19:13<BoBo_BoSs>and geoip ?
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19:13<sputnick>do you have a PC and a connection to the world ?
19:13<BoBo_BoSs>yes
19:13<sputnick>apt-cache search ALL_YOU_WANT
19:13<BoBo_BoSs>c
19:13<BoBo_BoSs>k
19:14<sputnick>geoip-bin
19:14<sputnick>RTFM
19:14<sputnick>:)
19:14<BoBo_BoSs>is libgeoip-dev
19:14<BoBo_BoSs>:)
19:14<BoBo_BoSs>i install verlihub ...
19:15<freehat>or you can use # aptitude search
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19:15<BoBo_BoSs>yes :P
19:15<freehat>to search package names
19:16<BoBo_BoSs>txs
19:18[~]lupine sets fire to BoBo_BoSs
19:18<BoBo_BoSs>checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ comp
19:18<BoBo_BoSs>frank :(
19:18<BoBo_BoSs>what error is it ?
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19:19<lupine>just a guess.. maybe you don't have a c++ compiler installed
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19:19<freehat>what are you trying to do
19:19<lupine>!build-essential
19:19<dpkg>from memory, build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit
19:19<BoBo_BoSs>to install verlihub
19:19|-|ernesto_ changed nick to ernesto
19:19<freehat>lol @ profanity
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19:20[~]lupine increases the reactor output by three more points#
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19:20<BoBo_BoSs>configure: error: "install mysql-devel or somewhere it's called mysql-dev"
19:20<BoBo_BoSs>another
19:21<BoBo_BoSs>i have install mysql-server
19:21<BoBo_BoSs>..
19:21<lupine>ok... and given the information you've gotton from the channel so far, what do you suppose you should do?
19:21<BoBo_BoSs>how fix this problem /?
19:22<freehat>I don't even know what your problem is.
19:22<lupine>...
19:22<lupine>mysql-server != mysql-dev
19:22<BoBo_BoSs>libmysqlclient is not found :(
19:22<BoBo_BoSs>how install this lib ?
19:22<lupine>you probably want libmysql++-dev and libmysqlclient15-dev
19:22<freehat>Are you even using apt-get?
19:23<BoBo_BoSs>yes
19:23<BoBo_BoSs>oo
19:23<BoBo_BoSs>libmysqlclient15-dev is problem :P
19:23<BoBo_BoSs>..
19:23<lupine>why are you compiling verlihub, anyway?
19:23<BoBo_BoSs>fix it :))
19:23<lupine>it's in the repos
19:23<BoBo_BoSs>yes lupine
19:24<lupine>so install it from the repos
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19:25[~]lupine wonders if fail multiplies exponentially
19:25<lupine>it would explain a lot
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19:25<freehat>:(
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19:26<cold-apok>bonsoir
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19:27<cold-apok>est-ce que quelqu'un peut m'aider?
19:27<lupine>French?
19:27<cold-apok>oui
19:27<gravity>!fr
19:27<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
19:27<lupine>!fr
19:27<lupine>curses
19:27<gravity>Heh, sorry :-)
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19:27<krystian>#debian-pl
19:27<lupine>je n'ais pas comprende en francais
19:28[~]lupine cringes
19:28<lupine>schoolboy french... yuck
19:29<cold-apok>bye
19:29<lupine>au revoir
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19:39<BoBo_BoSs>You'll be now promted by mysql client for password of bobo@localhost
19:39<BoBo_BoSs>Enter password:
19:39<BoBo_BoSs>how password is for mysql ? :(
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19:48<BoBo_BoSs>You'll be now promted by mysql client for password of bobo@localhost
19:48<BoBo_BoSs>Enter password:
19:48<BoBo_BoSs>how password is for mysql ? :(
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20:19<DynamicPink>I'm having some trouble with a Gnome theme called Elegance
20:20<DynamicPink>The theme installer states that it is installed, but the folder does not copy. If I manually copy it as root to /usr/share/themes, Gnome still will not load it.
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20:22<blackopus>Can anyone help me with this error? Not finding much online as far as answers.
20:23<blackopus>Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gnomebreakpad": libgnomebreakpad.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:24<blackopus>I am trying to start VLC in Gnome
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20:30<kurumin>Hi
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20:31<wo0f>yo guys, does debian support raid0 arrays?
20:31<wo0f>to install on
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20:34<wo0f>at the moment its only detecting my individual drives, and not my array :(
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20:40<ben_goodger>tumtiutm
20:40<ben_goodger>wo0f: afaik you can install in raid0 on lenny at least, but I'm not certain etch's installer will
20:41<wo0f>:(
20:42<wo0f>ben_goodger, can you actually dl the iso for lenny?
20:42<wo0f>thought you could only apt it :S
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20:42<ben_goodger>of course
20:42<ben_goodger>it's just really, really well hidden :)
20:42<ben_goodger>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
20:43<ben_goodger>choose the applicable netinst image under "current weekly snapshot"...
20:43<ben_goodger>it may be your BIOS or similar though
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20:43<ben_goodger>oh, no, it's daily built images
20:44<coir>Is their a display manager that is less resource intensive than GDM? I use openbox, but I wonder if that makes a difference compared to using kdm or something else.
20:44<coir>their = there
20:44<ben_goodger>xdm is pretty light...
20:44<ben_goodger>of course, so is linux 2.2
20:44<ben_goodger>consequently, gdm has a non-skinned mode that saves rather a bit of ram if you really need it
20:45<coir>is the package "xdm" ?
20:45<sputnick>re
20:45<coir>hmm
20:46<ben_goodger>what is the usage scenario, if I may swear?
20:47<sputnick>I have a strange problem : I have a NFS server, and 2 clients : debian etch, mount perfectly. and I have a sid, & when I try to mount NFS, I have the following error : http://pastealacon.com/57
20:47<sputnick>any idea ?
20:47<coir>Ok, I currently have GDM set not to start automatically - would it just be sudo update-rc.d -f xdm remove?
20:47<coir>For XDM.
20:48<coir>ben_goodger: It's primarily a server, but I ocasionally use with a GUI just for ease.
20:48<ben_goodger>sputnick: most likely a 404. possibly the protocol has changed, I wouldn't know
20:49<ben_goodger>coir: righty-ho... tbh methinks a display manager is unnecessary for you... just log in and run startx
20:49<sputnick>http://pastealacon.com/58 is the output of nmap on server
20:49<wo0f>ARRR, ffs!!! the people in #ubuntu are such noobs lol
20:50<ben_goodger>isn't 192.168.0.1 a router?
20:50<wo0f>people trying to tell me make is for programmers
20:50<ben_goodger>wo0f: yes indeed
20:50<ben_goodger>well, tbh it should be.
20:50<wo0f>how else do you compile source?
20:50<gravity>You can do it by hand
20:50<ben_goodger>even gentoo has a huge pile of scripts set up so that if you have to run "make" you're in pretty deep trouble...
20:50<gravity>There's also several make replacements available
20:50<wo0f>ya true
20:51<gravity>But you can also use make to chain together pretty much anything. It's an impressive piece of software
20:51<ben_goodger>wo0f: the point is that compiling from source is either the job of a programmer or a huge server farm.
20:51<gravity>For example, making a complex LaTeX document
20:51<coir>Hmm why does the topic say "this is not #ubuntu" ?
20:51<simonrvn>because it isn't
20:51<coir>Well, it's also not #macosx
20:51<wo0f>ben_goodger, not really, what is you want a program that doesnt get distroed in .deb or .rpm
20:52<coir>or #mepis
20:52<coir>etc.
20:52<ben_goodger>yes
20:52<ben_goodger>but,
20:52<ben_goodger>this channel is rather more professional than #ubuntu
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20:52<coir>#ubuntu is rather hectic
20:52<wo0f>yeh, sry for ranting :P i just couldnt beleave what i was hearing lol
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20:53<ben_goodger>we tend to get a load of ubuntu users in here who've heard that ubuntu is debian
20:53<coir>I see.
20:53<ben_goodger>which is just true enough to be a dangerous assumption
20:53<coir>I'm an Ubuntu to Debian convert myself.
20:53<wo0f>(all started by a user asking somone to compile a program for him, and his refusal to google make lol)
20:53[~]gravity was more interested in make, but ok
20:53<ben_goodger>oh god
20:53<gravity>cmake is pretty cool, speaking of which
20:53<coir>cmake?
20:53<wo0f>cmake?
20:53<coir>For compiling C?
20:53<gravity>For compiling whatever
20:53<coir>o_o
20:53<gravity>KDE uses it as their build system, aiui
20:53<ben_goodger>I used make to compile The Not So Short Introduction To LaTeX2e once. it failed dismally
20:54<gravity>I've been using it to build D programs myself
20:54<coir>How difficult is it to compile one's own kernel?
20:54<gravity>It's more like autotools, but way less insane
20:54<ben_goodger>coir: not very
20:55<wo0f>gravity, woah, you use D?
20:55<ben_goodger>you have to 1) download the sources, 2) configure them properly, 3) compile, 4) configure grub, 5) reboot, 6) return to 2 and 4 above
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20:55<ben_goodger>D? heheh.
20:55<wo0f>digital mars
20:55<gravity>wo0f: I've started playing with it. I needed a build system for it, and there's a cmaked project that worked well so I could just start coding and not worry too much
20:56<gravity>It's neat, but it's really not there yet
20:56<ben_goodger>D reads like the bad joke of a disillusioned C++ programmer...
20:56<wo0f>i see
20:56<gravity>ben_goodger: It's a very nice language so far
20:56<sputnick>ben_goodger: no it's not a router, only a NFS server (PC)
20:56<gravity>The library support is lacking, but it's easy to bind it to C libs
20:56<coir>hmm is it really advantageous to compile one's own kernel?
20:56<wo0f>cool
20:57<ben_goodger>coir: depends
20:57<coir>I was reading that for certain Macs to get native Airport Express support kernel compiling was necessary.
20:57<wo0f>think ill stick to C++ tho, cba to learn yet another language
20:57<gravity>ben_goodger: That might be why I'm interested in it
20:57<wo0f>very stuck in my ways now:P
20:57[~]gravity is not a fan of C++
20:57<wo0f>gravity, how come?
20:57<gravity>wo0f: It's overly complicated for what it is
20:57<ben_goodger>coir: if you want to strip the thousands of useless drivers from the monolith, it's advantageous. most people, however, do not care enough to care
20:58<coir>hmm
20:58<wo0f>gravity, hmm are you sure?
20:58<gravity>wo0f: Um... yes?
20:58<ben_goodger>sputnick: check your firewalls and such
20:58<gravity>wo0f: How much C++ do you do?
20:58<wo0f>gravity, i find C very intuative and simple really
20:58<coir>Will that equal to a performance increase?
20:58<gravity>wo0f: STL? Boost? Lots of template stuff?
20:58<wo0f>gravity, and extremly powerful
20:58<ben_goodger>coir: it will equal a memory saving... a small one
20:59<gravity>wo0f: Yeah, I have to do a lot of work in C for what I work on
20:59<coir>Memory as in HDD memory?
20:59<wo0f>cool
20:59<ben_goodger>no, memory as in memory.
20:59<ben_goodger>if I'd meant hard disk space, I would have said hard disk space
20:59<coir>It could be useful for my 256mb server.
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20:59<ben_goodger>not really
21:00<sputnick>ben_goodger: my laptop on the same subnet can mount like a charm :/
21:00<coir>FINE THEN
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21:00<coir>:-P
21:00<ben_goodger>unless you really, really need to free up another 20MB
21:00<coir>Nah, I guess I don't...
21:00<ben_goodger>sputnick: in that case I have no idea, and you probably should ask someone with a clue about NFS :)
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21:00<sputnick>ben_goodger: server did'nt have a firewall
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21:01<sputnick>devil powered
21:01<ben_goodger>gah
21:02<BoBo_BoSs>how change a password for mysql ?
21:02<ben_goodger>you know it's autumn when your house is full of craneflies
21:02<coir>$63 for 256mb RAM for the system =/
21:03<ben_goodger>coir: 1GB costs £12 here... unless the bugger rocketed again, as I predicted
21:03<BoBo_BoSs>how change a password for mysql ?
21:03<coir>ben_goodger: Well, it's an older system, uses SDRAM 100mhz
21:03<ben_goodger>ah
21:04<ben_goodger>yes, sdram is appallingly expensive now
21:04<ben_goodger>no bugger is buying it
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21:04<kop>who l*
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21:04<ben_goodger>who l* yourself
21:05<sputnick>BoBo_BoSs: you dont' have google near you ?
21:05<kop>ben_goodger: Sorry about that.
21:05<BoBo_BoSs>no
21:05<ben_goodger>:)
21:05<BoBo_BoSs>:))
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21:05<sputnick>BoBo_BoSs: GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO 'USERxyz'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'good_password';
21:06<BoBo_BoSs>...
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21:06<ben_goodger>I think he probably didn't want an SQL instruction
21:06<ben_goodger>kop: can we help you at all?
21:06<sputnick>so go by phpmyadmin
21:07<ben_goodger>buy?
21:07<ben_goodger>ho hum
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21:08<sputnick>my english sucks, I know =]
21:08<ben_goodger>does anyone know of a way to make linux issue packets in a manner that will not crash my router?
21:08<kop>ben_goodger: I was looking for folks who were talking about sound systems, alisa etc, and were saying to pick one or they stepped on each others toes. I recently read about pulseaudio and figured I'd remark on it. But I've got no specific questions at the moment. I've never really gotten around to using sound, but am building a mythtv box right now, so eventually it'll come up.
21:08<ben_goodger>sputnick: you can't buy phpmyadmin, it's gpl...
21:09[~]wo0f lol
21:09<sputnick>I *NEVER* says buy but by (via)
21:09<kop>ben_goodger, sputnick : (Well, you _can_ buy it, you just don't have to.)
21:09<ben_goodger>kop: ah. goodo. alsa tends to be the audio posterchild atm... though its mixing leaves something to be desired
21:09<ben_goodger>well, yes, of course
21:09[~]wo0f lolo
21:09<wo0f>:P
21:10<sputnick>w00t!
21:10<ben_goodger>and the copyright holders would have to sell the rights, of course, which they're unlikely to do
21:10<kop>(There's no problem with anybody selling GPLed software. It's just that the price tends to $0 because anybody can sell it.)
21:11<ben_goodger>I refer to actually buying it, instead of buying a copy of the source
21:11<kop>ben_goodger: I just got here, what's with your router?
21:11<ben_goodger>\whois kop
21:11<wo0f>does anyone in here run a raid0 array?
21:11<ben_goodger>ah, you're not from the UK
21:12<kop>ben_goodger: Nope. And I've opted to pay extra for a real, you can do anything that's legal, ISP.
21:12<ben_goodger>anyway, our formerly-state-now-privately-mismanaged telecoms provider does this awful router that crashes on the slightest overload
21:12<ben_goodger>the worst thing is that the service is free because my stepfather works for them.
21:12<kop>ben_goodger: It must not crash on inbound datagrams, just outbound ones, right?
21:13<ben_goodger>let me put it this way
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21:13<ben_goodger>it can run for weeks at a time until I run azureus, at which point it promptly crashes even though the settings are all configured properly so they don't overload it
21:13<kop>wo0f: No. But the easiest way to do that might be with LVM.
21:14<wo0f>kop, i need to install on it tho
21:14<ben_goodger>I know zilch of IP, etc
21:14<wo0f>rather than use one by/via software =[
21:15<kop>wo0f: You can install with LVM on. You may need to tell it to boot in expert mode. One of those F keys at install disk boot will say what to type.
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21:15<ben_goodger>nah, it lets you use lvm in normal mode
21:15<wo0f>kop, oh right, cheers ill gogole
21:15<kop>wo0f: I'd read the install manual at debian.org.
21:15<wo0f>kop, kk
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21:16<ben_goodger>ho hum
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21:16<ben_goodger>agh, that's another cranefly I've killed
21:17<kop>wo0f: You might want to read up on lvm before investing a lot of time. I know it can be done from the command line. You may want to use an alternate console in the installer to do it from the command line. I've sometimes done that instead of bumbling around the gui (whatever) interface.
21:17<ben_goodger>they ought to stop flying under my feet and chairs
21:17<coir>Ok, if I have an MD5 file and ISO how do I verify the ISO?
21:17<ben_goodger>md5sum --help
21:17<kop>ben_goodger: The router actually crashes and needs rebooting or something?
21:17<ben_goodger>kop: kind of
21:18<ben_goodger>it would, for instance, continue to cope with IRC traffic
21:18<ben_goodger>but port 80 and bittorrent will not coexist...
21:18<ben_goodger>it doesn't even return "not found" errors, it just times out
21:18<kop>ben_goodger: What port does bittorrent run on?
21:19<ben_goodger>doesn't matter
21:19<wo0f>ben_goodger, what router is it?
21:19<ben_goodger>I've put it on eg 69437 or something before, and eg 34293 before that, etc etc
21:20<ben_goodger>wo0f: BT Home Hub (not sure what it actually is, but it's made by speedtouch)
21:20<ben_goodger>google is bereft of knowledge
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21:20<wo0f>ben_goodger, you know what chipset it uses?
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21:20<ben_goodger>haven't a clue.
21:20<kop>ben_goodger: Port 80 stops working entirely but there's no problem at all with IRC? I was going to say that your losing your TCP acks, but that's probably not the case if other stuff works.
21:20<ben_goodger>this thing is the America Online of routers
21:21<wo0f>ben_goodger, if its bittorrent that crashes it
21:21<ben_goodger>kop: well, messages continue being transferred, I don't know about connection
21:21<kop>ben_goodger: They could always be monitoring your traffic upstream and borking you there.
21:21<wo0f>its likely to be too many connections
21:21<kop>wo0f: Makes sense.
21:21<ben_goodger>wo0f: it never makes any connections
21:21<ben_goodger>or not more than 10, at least
21:21<wo0f>ben_goodger, and like kop said, if your logging as well, will make prob 10 times worse
21:22<wo0f>ben_goodger, oh :S
21:22<kop>ben_goodger: The router needs to keep track of inbound connections, or something does, if it's NATting.
21:22<wo0f>ben_goodger, what bt client you using?
21:22<ben_goodger>bt client?
21:22<ben_goodger>I have encryption on..
21:22<wo0f>bit torrent client
21:22<ben_goodger>oh, thought you meant british telecom. azureus
21:22<kop>ben_goodger: If the NAT table overflows then new connections won't happen. And HTTP makes lots of new connections.
21:22<ben_goodger>though I had no more luck with utorrent
21:23<ben_goodger>hmm
21:23<ben_goodger>so what to do then?
21:23<kop>ben_goodger: You said you tuened the bt client so that you wern't supposed to have problems. How did you know what knobs to frob?
21:23<ben_goodger>I can't replace the router, it's providing VoIP and TVoIP
21:23<wo0f>ben_goodger, maybe its somthing to do with upnp?
21:23<ben_goodger>kop: the azureus site has a huge walkthrough
21:24<ben_goodger>upnp is configured fine, and the port is registered by azureus as open
21:24<ben_goodger>it complains quite loudly otherwise.
21:24<wo0f>hmm wtf
21:24<wo0f>ben you have the bt homehub?
21:24<wo0f>ben_goodger, **
21:24<ben_goodger>against my will, yes.
21:24<wo0f>lol
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21:25<ben_goodger>as I said, it's VoIPing and TVoIPing
21:25<wo0f>rgr
21:25<wo0f>im with telewest
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21:25<wo0f>well virgin media now :P :$
21:25<ben_goodger>lucky you
21:25<wo0f>gone down hill alot since it switched to virgin man
21:25<sputnick>when I try to mount my NFS client, nothings happens on port 2049 from server. If I do the same mount on an other PC, all is working fine... no firewall, disabled. I don't understand...
21:26<sputnick>( tcpdump )
21:26<ben_goodger>if I ever move about a hundred miles north-east, I may get virgin media too. of course, at that point I'd be in control of my own DSL too
21:26<wo0f>lol
21:26<wo0f>urrrm, you tryed updating the firmware?
21:26<ben_goodger>they don't have any service at all in cornwall
21:26<sputnick>the other server make some activity on the port 2049
21:26<wo0f>ahhh, i just got back from cornwall
21:27<ben_goodger>the firmware is updated automatically
21:27<ben_goodger>wo0f: where?
21:27<wo0f>ben_goodger, porthcothen
21:27<ben_goodger>ah.
21:27<ben_goodger>never heard of it
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21:27<wo0f>ben_goodger, north of newquay
21:27<ben_goodger>that explains it
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21:27<wo0f>bout 15-20 miles or so
21:27<ben_goodger>I have gone to newquay perhaps fifteen times
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21:28<ben_goodger>ok...
21:28<ben_goodger>you don't mean south, do you?
21:28<wo0f>neg
21:28<ben_goodger>only, 20 miles north of newquay is 18 miles into the atlantic ocean
21:29<wo0f>ben_goodger, well up the coast then:P
21:29<stan_ley>hey guys
21:29|-|mehdi [~mehdi@41.225.249.171] has joined #debian
21:29<wo0f>ben_goodger, http://www.thisisnorthcornwall.com/porthcothan.html
21:29<ben_goodger>yeah, got it
21:29<ben_goodger>hi, stan_ley
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21:29<ben_goodger>I'm an unfortunate resident of lostwithiel
21:30<stan_ley>I need help on installing different versions of gcc
21:30<wo0f>ben_goodger, well im a native of south yorkshire :P
21:30<ben_goodger>must... move... to sweden....
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21:31<manphiz>apt-get install gcc-<version>
21:31<ben_goodger>there is the minor issue of me being bereft of both swedish language skills and A-levels
21:32<ben_goodger>hmm, I need some sort of traffic monitor and a degree in networking.
21:32<stan_ley>manphiz : i cant, the repos dont have version i need
21:32<wo0f>ben_goodger, lol :P
21:33<manphiz>stan_ley, which version?
21:33|-|xoty [~xoty@a83-132-221-99.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
21:33<stan_ley>i need 4.1.
21:33<stan_ley>4.1.3
21:34<manphiz>stan_ley, then `apt-get install gcc-4.1`
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21:34<bahamut137>holas
21:34<ben_goodger>hello
21:34<bahamut137>hay alguien despierto???
21:34<bahamut137>holas
21:34<ben_goodger>!es
21:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:34<stan_ley>it says its already newest version
21:35<wo0f>stan_ley, update your list?
21:35<ben_goodger>stan_ley: then you just need to run the command to switch the default gcc to 4.1, which I have forgotten
21:35<stan_ley>cool, i'll google it
21:35<bahamut137>joder
21:35<bahamut137>vamos a debian es
21:36<bahamut137>aqui es debian ingles
21:36<wo0f>:S
21:36<ben_goodger>gah
21:36<bahamut137>una pregunta
21:36<ben_goodger>what's most frustrating is that I can read that perfectly and haven't the faintest clue how to reply or why he's saying it
21:36<bahamut137>que diablos le pàsa al debian cuando trato de actualizar el eclipse
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21:37<bahamut137>se me cuelga la maquina
21:37<ben_goodger>ok, I can't read _that_
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21:37<wo0f>Tu madre tiene un bigote
21:37<wo0f>:P
21:37<bahamut137>()()===DX_O
21:37<wo0f>rofl
21:38<ben_goodger>two questions
21:38<bahamut137>tengo problemas ayudeme
21:38<wo0f>questions?
21:38<ben_goodger>why is he blathering about debian/devils/eclipse and why has he not departed for debian-es?
21:38<wo0f>i dont know
21:39<wo0f>but i just told him his mother has a moustache is spanish :X
21:39<wo0f>:P
21:39<ben_goodger>I did wonder about "bigote"
21:40<wo0f>bahamut137, im sry we dont speak spanish, do you speak english?
21:40<ben_goodger>ir por favor al #debian-es, o por lo menos parar el hablar en inglés aquí. permitimos solamente inglés
21:40<bahamut137>I help me please bug in the update eclipse freezee my PC
21:40<ben_goodger>go go google!
21:41<ben_goodger>the wonders of the bayesian algorithm
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21:41<bahamut137>algorithm???
21:41<wo0f>ben_goodger, lol!
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21:42<ben_goodger>ooh, it does korean too
21:42<ben_goodger>#debian-ES에 가거나, 적어도 영어로 여기에서 말하는 중지하십시오. 우리는 단지 영어만 허용한다
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21:42<wo0f>yeh its a pritty simple one bahamut137
21:42<stan_ley>How can i specify gcc version with configure of app ?
21:42<wo0f>step 1: google
21:42<wo0f>fin.
21:42<gravity>stan_ley: GCC=foo ./configure bar
21:42<gravity>(I think)
21:42<bahamut137>I help me please the eclipse in update is freezzer my PC!!!
21:43<gravity>stan_ley: That's only for autoconf'ed stuff too. It won't work for all things.
21:43<ben_goodger>APT update, or eclipse's own updater?
21:43<bahamut137>my system is debian
21:43<bahamut137>what?
21:43<wo0f>bahamut137, #debian-es
21:44<ben_goodger>do you run apt-get upgrade and then it breaks, or do you run eclipse and it asks you to update and it then crashes?
21:44<bahamut137>apt-get update eclipse???
21:44<wo0f>bahamut137, where elclipse from? website or debian
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21:45<bahamut137>mmmmmm.......
21:45<ben_goodger>"por favor, apenas ir al #debian-es. ningunos de nosotros pueden entenderte"
21:46|-|AmR|EiSa [~amr@84.36.71.74] has joined #debian
21:46<wo0f>bahamut137, Vete a la #DEBIAN-ES
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21:46|-|sebastian changed nick to Guest902
21:46<bahamut137>mmmmmm.......
21:47|-|fleg [~steve@ip-206-83-205-167.sterlingnetwork.net] has joined #debian
21:47<wo0f>bahamut137, Chupas las nalgas de monos grandes, vete a la #debian-es!!
21:47<bahamut137>thank you very much....
21:47<bahamut137>thank woOf
21:47<ben_goodger>apesadumbrado
21:47<wo0f>haha
21:48<bahamut137>woOf mamalo
21:48<ben_goodger>hmm, that's weird
21:48<wo0f>?
21:48<ben_goodger>lo siento
21:48<AmR|EiSa>hi
21:48<ben_goodger>hi, AmR|EiSa
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21:48<AmR|EiSa>can i have apt-get server list link plz ??
21:48<wo0f>AmR|EiSa, google?
21:49<ben_goodger>google for "apt mirrors"
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21:49<bahamut137>the woOf is GAY and ballshit muhahahahahahahaha good bye
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21:49<wo0f>!google apt mirrors
21:49<wo0f>ROFL
21:49<wo0f>i dont mind that at all tbh
21:49<stan_ley>i got gcc. I remove syslink of /usr/gcc from /usr/gcc-4.2 to 4.1
21:49<wo0f>not after what iv been quoting from http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/spanish.htm :P
21:49<stan_ley>thanx all
21:50<wo0f>stan_ley, ah makes sense
21:50<ben_goodger>homophobic spaniard..
21:50<ben_goodger>makes me nearly proud to be british
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21:50<wo0f>lol
21:50<wo0f>nearly:P
21:50<Gitch>How come Iceweasel doesn't have an updater and has it's menu structure all over the place?
21:50<ben_goodger>\whois bahamut137
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21:51<Gitch>Iceweasel on Etch I mean
21:51<ben_goodger>Gitch: iceweasel is a windows app
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21:51<ben_goodger>nobody can quite be bothered to completely strip the crutches from it
21:52<ben_goodger>and the menus are simply a result of terrible UI design
21:52<Gitch>ben_goodger - I thought they packaged it up from source especially for .deb, and that it's because they DIDN'T use the Mozilla binaries that they had to change the name
21:52<wo0f>jesus, nearly 4am
21:52<BoBo_BoSs>hy
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21:52<ben_goodger>you'll need to use apt to update it, or better still just use a native browser like epiphany or konqueror
21:53<BoBo_BoSs>how remove mysql on my server ?
21:53<ben_goodger>hi, BoBo_BoSs
21:53<BoBo_BoSs>or how reinstall :(
21:53<wo0f>apt?
21:53<BoBo_BoSs>yes
21:53<wo0f>not work?
21:53<ben_goodger>Gitch: that was actually because it was patched, not just packaged. and the updater is left in there god knows why..
21:54<BoBo_BoSs>how apt-get remove ?
21:54<Gitch>hmm, see this seems like reverse logic to me. The whole beauty of open source is that an OS app works equally on any platform
21:54<ben_goodger>er, no.
21:54<wo0f>not really lol
21:54<ben_goodger>the beauty of OS is that the source is available and modifiable
21:54<BoBo_BoSs>how wo0f ?
21:55<ben_goodger>the platform-independence is just a common side effect
21:55<wo0f>open source doesnt mean platform independent
21:55<BoBo_BoSs>apt-get remove mysql-server ?
21:55<Gitch>that point is a matter of opinion - to someone who can't program, i doubt that modifications to the source are a big deal
21:55<wo0f>BoBo_BoSs, apt-get remove
21:56<BoBo_BoSs>Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld
21:56<BoBo_BoSs>but is here
21:56<wo0f>BoBo_BoSs, you also need to add the --purge switch to totally wipe it along with configs
21:56<wo0f>BoBo_BoSs, --purge
21:56<ben_goodger>Gitch: irrelevant or not, the only "thing" with open-source software is that the development process and code are open, and that is not a matter of opinion
21:56<Gitch>I guess what I'm really wondering is, am I wasting my time trying to get a seamless web browsing experience on Debian using anything originating from Mozilla?
21:57<ben_goodger>Gitch: well done, you figured it out :) no, you are not. do make sure to install iceweasel-gnome of course... or you could try epiphany, but it's pretty awful
21:57<wo0f>Gitch, i use iceweasle, simple because i use firfox as well
21:57<BoBo_BoSs>apt-get --purge remove mysql-server
21:57<BoBo_BoSs>?
21:57<BoBo_BoSs>wo0f
21:57<BoBo_BoSs>or how ?
21:57<wo0f>that should do it
21:58<BoBo_BoSs>/etc/init.d/mysql start
21:58<BoBo_BoSs>Starting MySQL database server: mysqld.
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21:58<BoBo_BoSs>and work :((
21:58<BoBo_BoSs>is not remove :(
21:58<ben_goodger>Gitch: frankly, the whole state of web browsers is a mess
21:58<Gitch>I use KDE rather than gnome, is that going to upset things if I grab iceweasel-gnome ?
21:58<ben_goodger>aha
21:59<ben_goodger>just use konqueror...
21:59<ben_goodger>no wonder iceweasel feels out of place for you, it's designed more for gnome
21:59<wo0f>BoBo_BoSs, i dont know then mate
21:59<ben_goodger>even though XUL is meant to be a cross-platform thing
21:59<Gitch>yeah I figured as much. The look and feel sticks out like a sore thumb
21:59<BoBo_BoSs>..
21:59<BoBo_BoSs>how uninstall mysql ?
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22:00<ben_goodger>KONQUEROR!
22:00<Gitch>No idea why I use KDE over gnome. It's just a choice i made years ago and have kinda stuck to it since
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22:00<ben_goodger>ah.
22:00<wo0f>KDE owns!!
22:00<ben_goodger>do try gnome, especially if you use testing
22:00<Gitch>i think it was more the attitude of the developers from the gnome camp at the time
22:00<ben_goodger>I periodically try KDE, and am repulsed within a week
22:00<cec>Hi For some reason I lost network-manager-gnome after an update and it is not available through synaptic though it is listed in the database. I am now installing it form source and after ./configure, I used the make command but get this error:No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. I have two files caled makefile.in and makefile.am. What am I doing wrong?
22:01<cec>using lenny
22:01<ben_goodger>cec: run aptitude -f install
22:01<ben_goodger>pastebin the results before pressing Y, N or Enter
22:01<ben_goodger>Gitch: yes, some of the devs are very thick, and one of them is even miguel de icaza
22:02<wo0f>ben_goodger, lol just buzzing out to the bbc2 ceefax music, cba to switch chan :P
22:02<cec>ben_goodger, thanks
22:02<Gitch>I'd like to have a decent look at gnome... except I'm liking the seamlessness of my KDE install at the mo and I dare not break it. Unless there's a nice way to switch between the two
22:02<ben_goodger>wo0f: good god, they still show that?
22:02<chealer>cec: which source?
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22:02<ben_goodger>Gitch: you can just install them both and choose at login..
22:02<wo0f>Gitch, why not run both?
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22:03<ben_goodger>you can, in particular, use any combination at the same time
22:03<wo0f>yeh what he said
22:03<Gitch>been_goodger - on the developer thing, it was the way the two camps treated a new feature suggestion. A really minor thing but it stood out to me as being a major reason why gnome might shoot itself in the foot. Obviously I was wrong in that assumption though, since gnome is still around
22:03<ben_goodger>I would have thought they'd shove people onto news 24
22:03<ben_goodger>ah.
22:03<ben_goodger>yes, that's a problem
22:04<Gitch>"Can we add this feature?"
22:04<cec>chealer, NetworkManager-0.6.5.tar.gz 20-Apr-2007 05:20 943K
22:04<Gitch>KDE: "Well, we'd have to asses the viability of it. There are a few considerations to get through first but i agree it would be cool"
22:04<Gitch>GNOME:
22:04<ben_goodger>hmm
22:05<Gitch>GNOME: "There's just no way that feature will ever make it in. That feature will be added to gnome over my dead body. Blah blah blah, don't you dare move my cheese and destroy my empire"
22:05<ben_goodger>my perception is that GNOME think about stuff for too long, but that KDE do not think at all
22:06<Gitch>I think from memory the 'feature' was support for extended attribute tags or possibly IPTC tags and integration into the desktop environment
22:06<ben_goodger>hence the restricting lack of configuration options in gnome that most people never need to touch, and the hugely empowering list of configuration options in kde that everyone has to spend hours fiddling with to make an efficient and aesthetic working environment
22:06<ben_goodger>ah
22:07<Gitch>the technology was there, but technologies like that are ultimately useless without a clean way to search using them
22:07<ben_goodger>for instance, on this install I have added a toolbar to hold the greek alphabet character pallette, and a button for iceweasel on the top toolbar, and that's it with regard to customisation
22:07<ben_goodger>I can never get KDE quite right
22:08<ben_goodger>Gitch: beagle does use them, though I'm not sure what for, and it's hardly a part of gnome
22:08<wo0f>ben_goodger, Gitch, http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215
22:08<Gitch>really silly, but i fiddled with the anti-aliasing settings on my fonts yesterday and all of a sudden, KDE feels a lot more 'finished'
22:08<ben_goodger>heh
22:08<ben_goodger>wo0f: torvalds can kiss my shiny metal arse
22:08<wo0f>rofl
22:09<wo0f>metal?
22:09<ben_goodger>he can't even pronounce "inevitable" correctly
22:09<chealer>cec: is that upstream source?
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22:09<wo0f>doesnt make any difference to me as i use xfce :P
22:10<ben_goodger>pleh
22:10<ben_goodger>I like my features.
22:10<Gitch>well once Enlightenment 0.17 comes out, that will be all we ever need ROFL
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22:11<ben_goodger>I tried to become one of these weird people who has an affinity for 16-colour monospaced displays, but it failed
22:11<TimFreeman>What debian package can I install to convert m4a audio files to some other format?
22:11<Gitch>you know, I used Blackbox for a while :)
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22:12<wo0f>ben_goodger, haha :P
22:12<ben_goodger>I suppose I'm just incapable of thinking in the CLI. not a surprise, since I was using windows from birth
22:12<Villarroel>Hi everyone.
22:12<ben_goodger>TimFreeman: hmm, there's always audacity
22:12<ben_goodger>hi Villarroel
22:12<cec>chealer sorry I'm an end user so I don't know what an upstream source is. by the way the aptitude -f install didn't work
22:13<Gitch>I have the opposite problem. I can't help but be aware of what a linux desktop environment is doing in the background each time I click a button
22:13<chealer>cec: where did you download that from?
22:13<wo0f>ben_goodger, i find the CLI very.... rewarding :P
22:13<ben_goodger>Gitch: oh, yes, I know what it's doing in the background
22:13<cec>chealer, http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/NetworkManager/0.6/
22:13<chealer>cec: (I'm not the one who suggested using aptitude)
22:13<Gitch>slow screen redraws just to reload a screen of CLI info (eg KPackage when it's doing an actual APT update etc)
22:14<cec>I know, I just thought I would let you know
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22:14<chealer>cec: why do you want to compile from upstream sources rather than using sid's package?
22:14<Villarroel>I format my new laptop, to install Debian, I have just installed Stable. But there are much trouble with ACPI (pe. freeze) so I turned off (acpi = off) now ethernet (wired) do not work. What can I do?
22:14<ben_goodger>I just prefer a pretty scrollable grid of episode previews to a monospaced list of blue-on-black filenames
22:14<cec>to be honest I really don't know what I'm doing
22:15<dli>cec, if you don't know, you should reinstall stable
22:15<ben_goodger>Villarroel: try installing testing instead, or returning the laptop to the shop and getting one with proper ACPI support, as this one is most likely defective
22:15<chealer>cec: well, that may be what you're doing wrong :S
22:15<chealer>Villarroel: what do you mean by "pe."?
22:15<Villarroel>example.
22:15<ben_goodger>eg
22:15<cec>chealer, I tried installing using aptitude but it does not seem to find the package
22:16<chealer>cec: again, I'm not the one that suggested using aptitude.
22:16<Gitch>anyway, gotta go
22:16<Gitch>nice chatting
22:16<chealer>Villarroel: freezes when?
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22:16<wo0f>ben_goodger, you use msn?
22:16<Villarroel>chealer, when booting.
22:17<ben_goodger>wo0f: I use the awful IM protocol the british public knows as msn, yes
22:17<Villarroel>however, the kernel in the debian-installer of stable works fine with acpi=on
22:17<wo0f>ben_goodger, lol yeh
22:17<wo0f>ben_goodger, whats your address
22:17<chealer>Villarroel: when does it freeze?
22:18<ben_goodger>goodgerster &a^t*gmail_dot_com
22:18<cec>chealer I know see what you mean by using sid's package- I'll give it go
22:18<ben_goodger>cec: you're not actually using sid, are you.
22:18<ben_goodger>you said you were on testing
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22:18<cec>a combination of both -apt pinning
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22:19<ben_goodger>oh good lord
22:19<Villarroel>chealer, i have tried, various kernels it freezes at different places, something about "soft_lockups" when usign amd64, and with i686 just after a line about the touchpad, or some random place.
22:20<Villarroel>chealer, no freeze when acpi = off, but no-network.
22:20<dli>Villarroel, what laptop? make/model
22:20<Villarroel>dli, acer aspire 5050.
22:20<ben_goodger>that sounds like a defective machine
22:20<ben_goodger>agh, acer!
22:22<Villarroel>Most makers break acpi specification, but I don't think is deffective, in the short period I use vista, it works "ok".
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22:23<dli>Villarroel, I would try various livecd, find a working one, then, copy its kernel (config)
22:24<Villarroel>the kernel in the debian-installer (of stable) allows me to boot with acpi = on.
22:24<wo0f>ben_goodger, whats wrong with acer?
22:24<ben_goodger>I was tasked with installing lenny on one recently
22:25<dli>Villarroel, then, install that kernel
22:25<ben_goodger>it took three hours to determine that the wireless card wasn't being switched on and I couldn't find a way to turn it on
22:25<ben_goodger>the owner eventually just put vista on it
22:25<dli>ben_goodger, off in bios?
22:25<ben_goodger>nope
22:25<wo0f>ben_goodger, lol, iv got a HP laptop, and dont even talk to me about wireless :P
22:26<wo0f>had it working once with some reversed engineered drivers that gave me a throughput of about 2kb :P
22:26<ben_goodger>fortunately I don't own a laptop
22:26<ben_goodger>I will, however, be availing myself of an openmoko eventually
22:27<wo0f>openmoko?
22:27<Villarroel>ben_goodger, in general support for new laptops suck.
22:27<ben_goodger>well, specifically the neo1973
22:28<ben_goodger>openmoko is a linux/gnu/gtk/python-based OS for mobile phones, starting with the neo1973
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22:46<Villarroel>the kernel loaded by debian-installer is the same version but for 486 not 686.
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22:47<chealer>meh, I smelled that
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22:48<Villarroel>for me is dissapointing using that kernel having a dualcore thurion 64 bits. But the idea is to use this stable system to install a pure64.
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22:51<dli>Villarroel, you can not use a -486 kernel to install 64 bit
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22:51<Villarroel>right,
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22:51<Villarroel>it's going to be tricky.
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22:53[~]wo0f is away: zZz
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22:57<Villarroel>what about the support for amd64 on other systems, bsd?
22:58<dli>Villarroel, you didn't download amd64 installer?
22:58<Villarroel>I try that too.
22:58<Villarroel>But also freeze during boot of debian-installer.
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23:00<wo0f>!dkpg raid
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23:00<wo0f>!raid
23:00<dpkg>[raid] Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels
23:00<wo0f>:/
23:00<chealer>!tell wo0f about msg the bot
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23:00<chealer>Villarroel: why do you ask #debian?
23:01<Villarroel>Where I should ask?
23:01<chealer>Villarroel: #bsd?
23:03<Villarroel>chealer, there is a kfreebsd kernel for debian. ;)
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23:10<chealer>Villarroel: yeah. if you're talking about kernels, Wikipedia should have general information.
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23:32<Villarroel>finally, it boots with an amd64 kernel.
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23:45<sputnick>is there a builded package or a script to make a report of applications in runlevels ?
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23:47<dli>sputnick, ls /etc/rc?.d/
23:48<dli>sputnick, or, apt-get install bum
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23:54<coir_>How can I configure XDM to use Openbox rather than Xfce? I was expecting it to have GDM's nifty chooser.
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23:55<freehat>Does it boot into GDM?
23:56<coir_>freehat: No, I want to use XDM, but I want to use Openbox rather than XFCE.
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23:58<freehat>You'll have to edit configuration files for XDM
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23:59<coir>hmm
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23:59<coir>Ok, how can I then instead just run X and openbox?
23:59<coir>no DM
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