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00:00<dli>coir, use ~/.xinitrc and startx
00:00<freehat>You can make a .xinitrc file in your user directory
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00:09<sputnick>dli: cd /etc/rc3.d ; find -links 1 -name "S*"
00:09<sputnick>I wiil try bum.
00:13<sputnick>but I search something in CLI
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00:46<keith>Debian 4.0. I have just purchased a Acer 22" Monitor. What Do I have to do to allow for the horizontal distortion which I do not what, especially in photos.
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00:49<kop>Can I use AHCI with SATA drives in etch or do I have to go to Lenny?
00:49<dondelelcaro>keith: pick a resolution which does not indroduce the horizontal distortion
00:51<keith>dondelelcaro: Could you tell me the file as I've forgotten it?
00:52<dondelelcaro>keith: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, though it should be detecting and picking the highest resolution by default
00:53<dondelelcaro>keith: you may also be able to select more useful resolutions using xrandr
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00:54<Digital>hi
00:54<freehat>Hello.
00:55<Digital>i want change language in my debian-gnome, you can help me?
00:56<keith>dondelercaro: Thanks, I'll try those . bye
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00:56<freehat>Digital, try dpkg-reconfigure locales
00:57<Digital>freehat, k, wait
00:57<dondelelcaro>Digital: generally you change the language by setting the LANG or LANGUAGE environmental variables. Whether gnome has a nice way of doing this itself, someone else may know.
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00:58<freehat>!locales
00:58<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
00:59<Digital>dondelelcaro, yea, but i don't see this in system-administartion or preference
00:59<freehat>the /etc/environment file.. for me at least.. has a lang parameter and my language there
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01:00<kop>I don't suppose there's a way to set locale per-user, or dynamically within an X session such that everything running will change (or even so new processes are in a new locale?)
01:00<freehat>So I would guess if dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't work you can change it there
01:00<freehat>I've never played with languages. not multilingual :(
01:01<kop>Me either, but I know people who are and might introduce Linux to them at some point.
01:02<dondelelcaro>/etc/environment is system wide; generally for a specific user, you just set it in .profile or similar.
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01:02<freehat>It's simply setting a variable, right?
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01:04<Digital>freehat, my debian is italian, but after i write apt-get update, upgrade and dist-upgrade my debian now is in english
01:04<freehat>And you set it with dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
01:05<Digital>yes and it's ok
01:06<freehat>echo $LANG
01:06<freehat>=?
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01:07<Digital>wait a moment , please
01:08<Digital>it_IT.UTF-8
01:08<Digital>freehat, but kde is english
01:08<dondelelcaro>in some cases it'll revert to english if LANG isn't set early enough, or of the strings for it_IT don't exist (or are outdated)
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01:09<freehat>restart X maybe
01:09<Digital>ok i try
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01:12<Digital>no
01:12<Digital>it's idem
01:13<Digital>but at start i see a window with error: Internal error
01:13<Digital>failed to initialize HAL!
01:13<freehat>:(
01:13<freehat>I don't know. I'm sorry
01:13<Digital>it's dangerous.......
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01:16<chealer>Digital: GNOME or KDE?
01:16<Digital>gnome excuse me
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02:02<valdyn>kop: see the language-env package, or if you are using kde its via kde control center
02:03<manu_hack>hi, I'm using sid, now I can install ekiga it said it's broken, what's wrong with it?
02:03<valdyn>!sid faq
02:03<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html
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02:05<manu_hack>so any subsitute for ekiga
02:06<cahoot>patience?
02:08<manu_hack>just wait for it to be available again?
02:09<cahoot>isn't wengophone something like ekiga?
02:09<chealer>manu_hack: if you have to ask such questions, you'd better switch to testing.
02:10<valdyn>!info ekiga lenny
02:10<dpkg>ekiga: (H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.3-6+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 5386 kB, Installed size: 12612 kB
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02:12<manu_hack>thanks cahoot
02:12<Lupus>Hmm which channel do I go to for Lenny support?
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02:15<chealer>Lupus: this one
02:16<cahoot>strangely enough ekiga .0.9 is installed an seems to run here (sid)
02:16<cahoot>strangely err ekiga 2.0.9
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02:20<manu_hack>cahoot: you can run ekiga?
02:20<cahoot>yes
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02:21<cahoot>camera and all
02:22<manu_hack>I just did a dist-upgrade and ...
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02:23<manu_hack>there may be some dependence issues needed to be resolved, so maybe just wait
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02:23<manu_hack>probably next time need to be careful to do dist-upgrade, by the way, do you guys do dist-upgrade very often?
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02:32<wood_>oi contato318
02:32<wood_>=)
02:32<wood_>vc por aqui
02:32<contato318>oi lins
02:33<wood_>=)
02:34<streuner>!ops contato318 and wood_ have the same IP...
02:34<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: contato318 and wood_ have the same IP...
02:34<cahoot>they do?
02:35<streuner>oh, yes the dont, sorry
02:35<valdyn>manu_hack: you want to run debian/stable if you need to get work done. And dist-upgrades rarely do more than upgrade on stable.
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02:36<streuner>contato318, wood_: english please
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02:36<wood_>streuner, sorry
02:37<streuner>s/the/they/
02:37<wood_>er.. my friend cant install debian.. he say very difficult
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02:38<Supaplex>there must be a reason, because it's pretty easy imo
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02:39<wood_>how install debian in steps, please
02:39<valdyn>!ig
02:39<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
02:39<sheldonh>what is man section 1p?
02:41<wood_>my friend read the book (144 pgs) but nothing hapenned
02:42<valdyn>sheldonh: i would think that p stands for posix, but i dont know
02:42<valdyn>or not: yahooquote.1p.gz
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02:45<sheldonh>valdyn: it's weird. this page says you're right: http://kerneltrap.org/man/linux
02:45<wood_> i found what i needed
02:45<wood_>thank
02:45<sheldonh>valdyn: but i'm finding a lot of counter-examples on my debian laptop
02:45<valdyn>sheldonh: its perl programs
02:45<valdyn>sheldonh: 1posix is posix
02:46<valdyn>ptar - a tar-like program written in perl
02:46<sheldonh>ahhhhh
02:46<valdyn>acidrip, dvdrip, all defenitely not posix
02:46<sheldonh>that makes sense. i'm looking at pages produced by pod2man
02:46<valdyn>xargs.1posix.gz
02:47<sheldonh>bloody kerneltrap
02:48<valdyn>sectioning by language is just as stupid from my pt of view
02:48<valdyn>but what do i know..
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02:49<valdyn>XS::Typemap.3perl.gz
02:49<valdyn>that sucks ^^
02:50<peej>I understand you can spoof a mac using macchanger. How can you detect the original manufacturer mac before getting the interface up?
02:51<valdyn>peej: ifconfig -a ?
02:51<peej>valdyn : before the interface is up
02:51<valdyn>peej: its not up
02:51<sheldonh>it's a pity mandoc isn't bigger in the linux world
02:51<valdyn>peej: ifconfig -a lists all interfaces, not just the one that are up
02:52<peej>valdyn : ok, I need to do a reality check on my world view ;-)
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02:52<valdyn>peej: in the rare caes where the original mac isnt a valid one, the kernel just inserts its own ( random or whatever )
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02:53<valdyn>peej: but that would show in dmesg
02:54<Supaplex>but you can specify your own anyhow. interfaces(5) even allows it.
02:55<peej>yup, with hwaddr
02:55<peej>or rather, hwaddress
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03:53<roffles>good morning, i just had a very quick question that i wanted to double check before i installed lenny..... i wanted to migrate from ubuntu but I want to know if my /home partition can be preserved by the installer and have it be used by my new debian install
03:53<Supaplex>is /home on its own slice?
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03:53<roffles>yep
03:54<Supaplex>the installer can, with finesse preserve existing data.
03:54<roffles>i have swap , / , and /home
03:54<Supaplex>just make sure your /home is labeled correctly, and says 'keep existing data' or somesuch
03:55<roffles>yea, and if i select the same username it will be able to just use the existing user directory too without any kind of permissions error?
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03:56<roffles>thats not really a big deal i guess, i can just muck around with chown / chmod if worse comes to worse. thanks.
03:56<Supaplex>good luck =)
03:57<roffles>thanks :) i needed the more cutting edge packages from lenny so i hope everything goes ok!
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04:16<beak>hello. since the xorg ABI version changed the radeon driver no longer exists or works - what is the new preferred driver?
04:17<cahoot>ati?
04:17<beak>and if it's fglrx, it seems that in unstable the deps are broken
04:17<beak>ati crashes my X with a backtrace
04:18<beak>also my understanding was that the ati driver was inferior to the radeon driver in terms of acceleration - has that changed or was it never correct?
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04:20<moskvax>i am using the radeon driver with a 16mb radeon 7000 in my thinkpad and it works
04:21<moskvax>it gives me direct rendering too but it's slow
04:21<beak>moskvax: you haven't upgraded to xorg ABI 2 then
04:21<beak>moskvax: or you've compiled your own radeon driver
04:21<moskvax>i think i have actually
04:22<moskvax>it was a while ago
04:22<beak>which one =)
04:22<moskvax>and i think i pinned it because it worked and gave me dri
04:22<beak>(II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
04:22<beak> compiled for 7.1.1, module version = 4.2.0
04:22<beak> ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 1.0
04:22<beak>(EE) module ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version (2)
04:23<beak>that's the problem with the legacy debian radeon driver
04:23<beak>so pinning won't work unless you pin xorg as well
04:24<moskvax>ah yeah i am still using ABI 1
04:24<moskvax>when did it change
04:24<beak>7.3
04:24<beak>pretty recently
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04:27<moskvax>hmm yes xorg is pinned
04:28<beak>yeah, that's an option, obviously
04:28<beak>downgrading to 7.1 and pinning it forever
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04:29<moskvax>i'm at 7.2-5
04:29<beak>ok
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04:29<moskvax>it's been a while since i checked it all out :p
04:30<beak>7.3 was released august 29th
04:30<beak>so you're not that much behind... yet
04:30<Villarroel>bye bye.
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04:32<moskvax>i'll try and update it all now seeing as i have some free time and see what happens
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04:34<moskvax>on an unrelated note, i have a strange problem with my fonts
04:34<moskvax>tahoma has decided it wants to be bold everywhere all the time
04:34<moskvax>i have no idea what caused this and how to fix it
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04:36<manphiz>anyone notices that the popup message is not updating anymore? For example, the Lag indicator at the right bottom of xchat?
04:36<manphiz>Gtk+ version 2.12
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05:12<hachi>how can I get mozilla-plugin-gnash to actually play swf files in iceweasel?
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05:15<ales>hello, i have problem with my digital camera. i installed Digikam, and Gtk Kam too, but they work with every type of cameras, but me....
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05:16<ales>i have HP R607 and there is only plugin for R707
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05:16<ales>please help me
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05:21<dsmink>someone here some knowledge of mail command?
05:22<mscava>hello, i'm installing debian right now, and i'd need some help.
05:22<dsmink>I have got it on my etch 4.0 laptop, but it is not installed on my server (both running postfix)
05:22<dsmink>but server has no mail command
05:22<dsmink>/usr/bin/mail --- does not exist
05:22<klys>mailx ?
05:22<klys>exim4 ?
05:23<dsmink>doesn't install the mail command...
05:23<klys>you need an mua
05:23<dsmink>And I don;t know in which package it is
05:23<dsmink>yes mua
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05:23<klys>apt-cache search mail-user-agent
05:24<mscava>i'm doing a gui installation
05:24<dsmink>does not return anything :)
05:24<klys>graphics can have interfaces with a number of systems, including svgalib, fbdev, and x11
05:24<dsmink>any suggestions on which mua I need to install to get the /usr/bin/mail command?
05:24<gsimmons_>dsmink: You'd probably want to install the 'mailx' package.
05:25<dsmink>I did just a few secs ago... no result
05:25<ales>how can i get photos from camera?
05:25<klys>gphoto2.org
05:25<mscava>i'm stuck on 'Choose Software' screen
05:26<klys>you mean pkgsel? I nevewr really understood why we did this step to everyone
05:26<mscava>there's only a Screenshot and greyed out Go Back button
05:26<mscava>how can i move on?
05:26<fxiny>mscava: what apt-cache policy mailx returns ?
05:26<klys>ctrl+alt+F1
05:27<gsimmons_>dsmink: Anything returned for "dpkg -S /usr/bin/mail" ?
05:27<mscava>i see a lot of critical messages from GTK
05:28<dsmink>hey mailx worked just 2 secs ago??? strange... could have sworn I did that just 2 mins agoo
05:28<dsmink>o well
05:28<klys>I see you not ready to investigate. try some other stuff: F2, F7
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05:29<mscava>yes, my first install
05:29<ales>klys: i have installed gphoto2
05:29<mscava>so i'm in the console
05:29<klys>~noob
05:29<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
05:30<klys>ales: check their supported hardware docs
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05:31<ales>i know my is not supported
05:31<cahoot>gphoto2 --auto-detect fails?
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05:32<ales>cahoot: nothing
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05:34<mscava>shal i end the instalation or is it solvable?
05:35<ales>cahoot: i can say the newer version have more troubles...in old mandriva i just plugged camera into usb, and it worked
05:35<ales>cahoot: in kubuntu same problem as in here
05:35<cahoot>so it shows up in dmesg?
05:36<klys>mscava: ps, kill -9 if you have to
05:36<ales>cahoot: device manager in KDE can find it. dmesg says that there re eros in some devices
05:37<cahoot>ales, what if you run gphoto2 as root?
05:37<ales>i ran gphoto2 as root
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05:42<schoappied>hey, I can not build rt2500-source module on Debian testing... it works fine in stable...
05:43<schoappied>http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38331/ this is what I get in the log file
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05:46<dli>schoappied, is it in germen?
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05:46<ales>cahoot: nothing happened new....
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05:51<cahoot>ales, dmesg reports error when you unplug/plug in the camera?
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05:52<schoappied>dli: germen? no dutch :/
05:53<dli>schoappied, the same to me
05:53<Lupus>I'm in Xfce right now using GDM, and after about 10m of activity my screen goes blank - how can I disable this sort of thing?
05:53<cahoot>inactivity?
05:53<ales>cahoot: how can i export dmesg output? in text file
05:53<schoappied>dli: ok, it isn;t quit the same but ok
05:53<Lupus>I'm running a VLC audio stream, cahoot, but I am not using kb/mouse.
05:53<schoappied>dli: do you also have a solution? ;)
05:54<bzed>schoappied: if I remember right linux/config.h is deprecated and no longer used
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05:54<cahoot>Lupus, DPMS enabled in xorg.conf?
05:54<Lupus>I don't see a power management/screensaver setting anywhere, though.
05:54<dli>schoappied, I don't read germen :(
05:54<Lupus>DPMS? Hmm... lemme see.
05:54<schoappied>dli: ok ;) :)
05:55<bzed>schoappied: try to replace the linux/config.h include by linux/autoconf.h
05:55<schoappied>dli: wordt verlaten = will be left
05:55<Lupus>cahoot: There's a line under monitor with Option "DPMS"
05:55<cahoot>Lupus, might add "off"
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05:56<Lupus>cahoot: "DPMS Off" ?
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05:57<schoappied>bzed: thanks for your help. where can I finf linux/config.h include?
05:57<Lupus>cahoot: http://pastebin.org/3102 - this is where I see it.
05:57<cahoot>Lupus, http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html
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05:58<ales>cahoot: i have done output to textfile, and one error is repeating. sd 6:0:0:0: Device not ready: <6>: Currrent sense key: Not ready
05:58<bzed>schoappied: use grep?
05:59<ales>cahoot additional sense: Logical ubit not ready, manual intervention required
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05:59<schoappied>bzed:I'm a sort of newbie... sorry
05:59<bzed>schoappied: then you should not try to recompile kernel modules :)
05:59<cahoot>ales, does those msgs coincide with plugging in the camera?
05:59<ales>cahoot: end request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 39
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06:00<schoappied>bzed: I want to have a wireless connection that's all ;)
06:00<ales>cahoot or sector 40
06:00<bzed>schoappied: I'm pretty sure there're precompiled modules in Debian Etch
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06:01<bzed>schoappied: but you can start by looking at the error output of your compiler: In file included from /usr/src/modules/rt2500/rtmp_main.c:50: ? ? /usr/src/modules/rt2500/rt_config.h:58:40: error: linux/config.h:
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06:01<bzed>schoappied: open the file in an editor and edit line 58. replace config.h by autoconf.h
06:02<bzed>schoappied: probably it works
06:02<ales>cahoot i think yes, after unplugging it is 7:0:0:0 ...same sectors(40, 39) and some lines with inbound (about my eth0)
06:02<dsmink>anyone familiar with the script postfix runs on first install?
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06:02<bzed>schoappied: but please note that those non-free driver packages are not part of debian officially, and the maintainer orphaned them because he doesn;t have the hardware anymore
06:03<cahoot>ales, try with another sd card in the camera?
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06:03<simy>howdy!
06:03<bzed>dsmink: what do you mean?
06:03<bzed>!tell dsmink about anyone
06:03<dsmink>bzed: When I installed postfix the fist time, a setup script runs..
06:03<bzed>dsmink: how did you isntall postfix?
06:03<dsmink>apt-get
06:04<bzed>dpkg-reconfigure postfix
06:04<dsmink>bzed: you rock :)
06:04<bzed>dsmink: this won';t do anything if you've messed with your postfix/main file, though (afaik).
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06:04<bzed>configuring a mailserver is usually something one should know to do your just don;t touch it :)
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06:05<simy>I'm in a slow connection and it has hinderd my googling a bit (I'm used to cable, not 28.8 dialup at best...) so could somebody direct me to a trouble shooting page for a NAT(Masqurading) firewall information? (I'm specifically trying to identify where the cause of my routing issue is) Thank you for anybody who happens to have a link, which is what im gona be using, well links2 :) Ty again in advance!
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06:05<dsmink>bzed: does it work when main.cf removed first?
06:05<ales>cahoot I havent any to try.....
06:05<bzed>dsmink: no clue
06:05<dsmink>need to try then
06:05<bzed>simy: did you write the rules by tourself, or are you using any tool?
06:05<cahoot>ales, I get the impression the error is a complaint abuot the sd card
06:05<dsmink>tnx a lot... helped me a bit :)
06:06<bzed>dsmink: postfix is very well documented
06:06<bzed>dsmink: and tehre should be example files in /usr/share/doc/postfix
06:06<simy>bzed: Its a script i found online awhile back I used to use it on a desktop made into a firewall/web server, but am now using it on a laptop connected to a dialup connection (am wondering if that may be part of the problem)
06:07<ales>cahoot: after unplugging, camera said me that card is unreadable...but after restarting photo camera, it works ok.....
06:07<simy>bzed: its worth noting, the desktop runs stable (well, the last stable) where as this laptop doing the same thign is running current testing
06:07<ales>cahoot: but stil in camera
06:07<bzed>simy: you don;t need nat at all if you're connected directly with your laptop
06:07<bzed>simy: or do you want to use it to route your network trough the dialup?
06:07<simy>bzed: Heres my lan Laptop1 >>> WIFI box >>> Laptop2
06:07<bzed>aah ok
06:08<simy>right now im logged into laptop2 into laptop1 to get into irc :P
06:08<simy>bzed: I've got some no name modem in this, couldnt find any information on it, but i figure this way works better so my friend can be online too...
06:08<bzed>simy: put the output of iptables -t nat -nvL; route -n; ifconfig; into a pastebin please
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06:09<simy>bzed: is there an easy way to do that? all ive got is ssh terminals and links2
06:10<bzed>simy: there's a perl script to upload such stuff automatically
06:10<_Staz>simy : There exists a pastebin perl script
06:10<_Staz>heh
06:10<bzed>!paste2pastebin
06:10<simy>bzed: apt-get it or dl it from where?
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06:10<bzed>!pastebin pipe
06:10<dpkg>Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and aptitude install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl.
06:10<bzed>simy: ^^
06:11<bzed>simy: in the meantime give me the outout of cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - that's short ;)
06:11<simy>bzed: Thank you, will do (gimie a sec - er a few)
06:12<dli>simy, read this simple howto for NAT: http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html
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06:14<peyman>what was the name of the package that contains all programmer
06:14<peyman>shit
06:14<peyman>all manuals for programmer's
06:14<peyman>?
06:14<_Staz>manpages-dev ?
06:14<simy>peyman: Could you please not use that language?
06:14<peyman>thanks
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06:14<simy>dli: Will do after this is donw....
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06:17<simy>bzed: is there a way to output all three of those commands at the same time ? or is it one at a time? or should i put it in a file then cat that file?
06:17<bzed>simy: { foo; bar; fuzz; } | fizzle
06:18<bzed>simy: please ntoe the ;
06:18<bzed>*note
06:18<simy>bzed: Thanks, I knew there was a way -- just didnt remember it, fairly sure ive used that before
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06:23<simy>bzed: I'm typing {iptables -t nat -NvL; route -n; } | perl paste2pastebin.pl and I'm getting a couple of errors, first is from route
06:23<simy>which is saying that it dosnt know what that is, the second seems to be pastebin script error
06:23<bzed>simy: did the script return an url?
06:23<simy>whoops
06:23<simy>what is -n?
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06:23<bzed>simy: did you install the libwww-mechanize-perl package?
06:23<simy>yes
06:24<bzed>simy: route -n prints the routing table but doesn;t resolv names for the ips
06:24<bzed>simy: but it's -nvL fo riptables
06:24<bzed>not -N, that would be creating a new chain
06:24<simy>do you need to put anything before the first { ?
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06:25<bzed>simy: no
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06:26<bzed>simy: but you need a space after the { - probably that's your problem
06:26<simy>ok got it, i was typing it in wrong.... http://pastebin.ca/707875
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06:26<simy>it was the first and last space, then i forgot the semicolons -- oye
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06:27<bzed>simy: tha tlooks good.
06:27<simy>i didnt do ifconfig -- if you need anything specific i can let you know... just dont want my ip in there
06:27<bzed>simy: and cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ?
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06:27<simy>bzed: thats 1
06:28<bzed>simy: on the laptop you're sitting on at the moment - run route -n there and paste the output please
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06:29<simy>paste it here?
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06:29<bzed>simy: how long is it?
06:29<simy>bzed: 2 lines
06:29<bzed>simy: then here. you can leave the description of the entries away
06:29<simy>bzed: well 3 if you count the very top
06:30<bzed>more easy for you to paste it here I guess
06:30<simy>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
06:30<simy>192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1
06:30<simy>0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1
06:30<simy>wait wait wait.....
06:30<simy>this is saying my computer things it needs to talk to 192.168.1.1 to get online?
06:30<bzed>192.168.1.1 is your routing laptop?
06:30<bzed>yes
06:30<simy>no 192.168.1.2 is the laptop, lol
06:31<bzed>simy: do you use dhcp in your network?
06:31<bzed>or how did you configure it?
06:31<simy>bzed: yes...
06:31<bzed>simy: on which machine is the dhcp server?
06:31<simy>bzed: uhm, it assigns addresses after 5 i think
06:31<simy>its on the 192.168.1.2 machine
06:32<bzed>simy: so open the configuration fo the dhcp server on that machine, and change the default gateway IP address
06:32<simy>bzed: i feel like an idiot....
06:32<bzed>such things happen :)
06:33<simy>so that would be option gateway blabla; right?
06:33<bzed>I think so yes
06:33<simy>ill info it, lol
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06:34<bzed>you have to restart the dhcp server after that
06:34<simy>bzed: it dosnt look like an option....
06:35<simy>bzed: looks like it goes at the top before the {
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06:35<simy>those curley brackets will be the death of me ;P
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06:36<bzed>simy: option routers 123.123.123.123; << that's what you're looking for
06:36<simy>bzed: could you do me a favor and look up a web address that shows where gateway is used? an example file, or is there likley one in some obscure file ono my hd?
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06:36<simy>bzed: Ok thanks :)
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06:37<bzed>simy: you have to restart the dhcpd after changing that
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06:38<simy>bzed: yup, and get a new ip too
06:38<bzed>exactly :)
06:38<simy>bzed: is there a way too refresh the dhcpd info without doing ifdown eth1;ifup eth1?
06:40<simy>bzed: yaknow whats worse? I had that in there as the wrong ip, oye
06:41<simy>looks like i stayed online
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07:23<Neelix>dpkg : Good morning, I took your advice and installed build-essential. A good hint. Now my c-source compiles. Now its time to take the next step and find the next treshold. Thanks
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07:45<maddash>omg, you guys are all here too!
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07:47<allaoua>hi
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07:57<Xaxa>where here there is quiz?
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08:34<CKAZKA>Hello
08:35<wo0f>yo
08:35<wo0f>does anyone use RAID here?
08:37<Eulex>yes, but not I
08:37<frank>!tell wo0f about anyone
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08:41<toledo>ther is anyone here?
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08:41<CKAZKA>oO
08:41<war>wo0f: I do, sw riad
08:41<war>raid1 and raid5
08:42<wo0f>war, great stuff
08:42<wo0f>i just need to know how to install to an array
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08:42<wo0f>atm the installer is only detecting sda and sdb
08:43<wo0f>rather than the array iv already set up
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08:45<gsimmons_>wo0f: When you say "set up", you mean the array previously configured in your motherboard's RAID controller?
08:45<wo0f>gsimmons_, yep
08:46<gsimmons_>!dmraid
08:46<dpkg>dmraid (Device Mapper RAID) discovers block and software RAID devices (eg, ATARAID, <fakeraid>) by using multiple different metadata format handlers which support various formats (eg, Highpoint 37x series). It offers activating RAID sets made up by 2 or more discovered RAID devices, display properties of devices and sets. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
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08:49<gsimmons_>wo0f: If you're intending to establish a Debian-only system, it's generally easier to use Linux software RAID (md) instead.
08:49<wo0f>gsimmons_, dual boot im afriad
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08:50<gsimmons_>wo0f: No problem, you'd want to use dmraid then. Read the wiki page mentioned by dpkg above.
08:50<wo0f>gsimmons_, already on it =]
08:50<wo0f>gsimmons_, cheers for the help
08:50<gsimmons_>np
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08:51<wo0f>gsimmons_, ok so when my cd boots, i need to type in dmraid=true ?
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08:55<gsimmons_>wo0f: You'd need to type "install dmraid=true", but you will need to use a more recent version of the Debian Installer beforehand. A daily built installer image should work.
08:55<gsimmons_>s/to use/to acquire/
08:55<war>wo0f: easiest way is to use SW RAID
08:56<war>wo0f: and set it up after you install
08:56<war>wo0f: boot knoppix, set it up
08:56<wo0f>gsimmons_, oh ok, and i presume it will have to be full cd rather than net instal ?
08:56<war>wo0f: compile kernel for it, compile everything in statically
08:56<war>wo0f: no dmraid (swraid)
08:56<war>wo0f: then reboot, done
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08:56<wo0f>war, i cant set any linux up because the array is already created
08:57<wo0f>war, and it only detects the two individual drives
08:57<war>wo0f: RULE=1
08:58<war>wo0f: if you used bios raid, it is not real raid
08:58<war>wo0f: and hence you have to use dmmapper
08:58<war>wo0f: bios raid is 'fake raid'
08:58<wo0f>war, i see
08:58<war>wo0f: you need to read up :)
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08:59<wo0f>war, yes but that still doesnt change my situation, real or fake raid
08:59<wo0f>i have already created the array
08:59<war>in the bios?
08:59<war>where?
08:59<wo0f>in bios yes
08:59<frank>this bios stuff is sw-raid in the end, which uses the cpu
08:59<gsimmons_>wo0f: Daily images are built for netinst, too <http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/>.
08:59<wo0f>gsimmons_, cheers.
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08:59<war>wo0f: then debian should pick it up as /dev/dmampper or whaterer (athough I use md raid, not dm-mapper)
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09:00<wo0f>war, whats difference between md raid and dm-mapper?
09:00<war>md is proven
09:00<war>dm-mapper does reverse-engineering
09:01<war>to hack the bios raid meta data
09:01<war>so it works
09:01<war>they both use the host CPU though
09:01<wo0f>proven on what?
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09:01<war>wo0f: people use it in production
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09:02<wo0f>gsimmons_, how many cds do i need? i normally do bussiness card install
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09:03<wo0f>war, yes but how was it made? as aposed the the reversed engineered dm-mapper
09:03<wo0f>?
09:04<war>wo0f: you make it during the debian/Fedora/whatever install
09:04<gsimmons_>wo0f: Either the businesscard or netinst image will suffice. Packages which are required will be downloaded by the installer.
09:04<war>wo0f: or set it up yourself
09:04<peterS>wo0f: md uses its own format. dmraid uses the formats supported by various vendor bioses for their fake raid. the _only_ real reason to use dmraid is to share a raid config with other OSes such as Windows
09:04<war>yup
09:04<wo0f>gsimmons_, but the dont do a netinstall for the bleeding edge
09:04<war>peterS: exactly
09:05<war>peterS: your nickname looks familiar
09:05<wo0f>peterS, war, dm-raid for me then
09:05<peterS>war: if you've been here before, it should, I've been around since circa 2003
09:07<gsimmons_>wo0f: I didn't understand your last statement.
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09:08<godsson>hiya guys
09:08<wo0f>gsimmons_, they don't release a net-install iso for the daily snap shot
09:08<godsson>can somsone help me?
09:08<wo0f>gsimmons_, only the full cds
09:09<gsimmons_>wo0f: The images at <http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/> (assuming i386 is your intended arch) say otherwise.
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09:10<wo0f>amd64
09:10<gsimmons_>wo0f: They're there for amd64, too.
09:10<wo0f>gsimmons_, cheers.
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09:11<godsson>can someone help me with ym guppies
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09:17<Yurik>÷ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ
09:18<Yurik>ìÀÄÉ, ÐÏÍÏÇÉÔÅ ÎÁÓÔÒÏÉÔØ Ú×ÕËÏ×ÕÀ ËÁÒÔÕ
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09:21<@Ganneff>!ru
09:21<dpkg>rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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09:43<bueno>hello
09:43<Yurik>Íó òàê ÷òî ïîìîæåòå?
09:44<bueno>anybody here who has successfully configured a ATI RADEON X700 under debian lenny?
09:44<drsource>huum
09:44<drsource>?
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09:46<Yurik>Çäåñü íà ðóññêîì ãîâîðÿò? :)
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09:46<Yurik>somebody speake rusian?
09:47<peterS>Yurik: #debian-russian on irc.freenode.net
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09:49[~]fxiny power on his wow signal array detector
09:49<Yurik>ok. thenks
09:50<Yurik>one question: what better mandriva or debian?
09:50<tV2_>debian
09:50<@Ganneff>windows
09:50<fxiny>hahahah
09:50<Yurik>;)
09:50<bueno>haha
09:51<fxiny>get a vintage windows 95 : i wanna play samba !
09:51<Yurik>on debian i have a truble with a sound on russian-debian nobady can help me
09:51<bueno>have you downloaded ALSA?
09:51<Yurik>yes
09:51<bueno>hummm
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09:52<Yurik>bur when i configure it - ask me about tow files version.h and autoconfig.h
09:52<Yurik>in include/llinux/
09:53<Eulex>in 99% of cases you do _not_ need to compile alsa
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09:53<Yurik>why?
09:54<Yurik>i have a asladriver.tar.bz
09:55<Eulex>because in 99% of cases stuff will work out-of-the-box, if you just bother to try to set it up.
09:55<bueno>apt-get install alsa
09:55<bueno>or are you not running debian?
09:55<Eulex>bueno, please do not make up package names.
09:55<Yurik>Debian 4.0
09:55<Eulex>Yurik, run alsaconf. see if it finds your sound card.
09:56<Yurik>yes, but no sound
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09:56<Yurik>volum on maximum
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09:57<Eulex>install mpg321 and try to play an mp3 with it. see if it outputs any errors.
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09:58<artur>Hi All
09:58<peterS>Yurik: sometimes the problem is that the output is muted. run 'alsamixer' to see if this is true
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09:59<artur>My config'
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10:00<artur>My config's Etch/KDE. Just wanted to try out Gnome 2.2. Can I remove/purge Gnome that sits along with KDE on my machine without incurring too much trouble?
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10:03<Yurik>ok thenks
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10:07<Eulex>artur, gnome 2.2 is ancient. do you mean gnome 2.20? because that one won't be easily installable.
10:09<Eulex>artur, oh, misunderstood your question. yes, you should be able to just remove gnome. if you really did install gnome 2.20 in some non-debian way, that may cause some problems that we cannot know about.
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10:14<ErJeDi>hi
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10:21<artur>Eulex, that's it. Gnome 2.20
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10:23<artur>Eulex, sorry is there a Debian way to install Gnome 2.20? I haven't touched Gnome on my machine, I was just wondering what could happen if I decided to install Gnome 2.20 and, for a clean install, remove the already-present Gnome.
10:23<Eulex>artur, but gnome 2.20 isn't in debian.
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10:23<Eulex>artur, to get 2.20, you would either have to compile it yourself or find third-party packages of it. neither would be for the faint of heart.
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10:25<artur>Eulex, understood. I have Gnome 2.20 downloaded as an iso on my work computer. So I can boot off from the iso and see how it is. According to what you say, it's not for the faint-hearted to install Gnome 2.20. Then I won't bother installing it- it just took me so long and so much labour to get my current configuration up and working :)
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10:26<artur>Eulex, thanks a lot, you've answered the question that's been making me curious for the last couple of days :)
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10:26<Vakio>artur: umm, what iso is that? Just Gnome 2.20?
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10:32<Piet>what's the command, on debian, to identify the debian release version(s) all the installed packages belong to, again? i'm trying to fix a system which seems to have packages installed from different debian versions. i believe this (or a similar) command is included in some debian development package
10:34<artur>Vakio, it's the iso from the Gnome's website, somewhere under "gnome.org" section "Download Gnome". can't say more as it's on my work PC and I'm home right now. They say you can burn the iso onto a CD and boot off from that to see the eye-candy. Kinda liveCD
10:34<frank>Piet: apt-show-versions?
10:35<Piet>frank: that's what i was looking for, thanks!
10:35<Vakio>artur: ok.
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10:38<Eulex>artur, etch has gnome 2.14, though
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10:39<artur>Eulex, I was just curious to see Gnome 2.20. Guess I will see it tomorrow, when I burn the iso and boot from it. Actually, it's not more than curiosity at this point - Gnome is not my liking, I prefer KDE. Just wanted to see if there might be something in the new release to make me reconsider
10:40<aya>i want to change the caps lock key to esc not only when i work in XWindow but as well in the terminal. Where do I find the keymappings?
10:41<fxiny>why burning it ? qemu shoykd load it
10:41<fxiny>should*
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10:42<aya>because i just hate this key ^^
10:42<fxiny>emacsc lover ?
10:42<aya>vim
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10:43<aya>i already "hacked" my Windows XP registry to change it in windows but i don't know how to do it in debian.
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10:45<fer>hola
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10:47<UK-Toker>hi, how can i totaly remove the x server, kde, gnome ect.... please
10:47<fer>hola
10:47<UK-Toker>hi.
10:48<fer>spanish
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10:48<UK-Toker>only speek english, sorry
10:48<Vakio>!tell fer about es
10:48<fer>where spanhis
10:49<Vakio>UK-Toker: I'd try removing the xorg package.
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10:49<fer>thank you
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10:50<UK-Toker>thanks. i did try that with. apt-get --perge remove xserver-xorg/xfree86 , but i get an error
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10:51<Vakio>Tell us more.
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10:52<UK-Toker>the error i get is, release xfree86 for xserver-xorg not found.
10:53<UK-Toker>i basicly want to remove all of the GUI.
10:53<fxiny>of course
10:54<fxiny>where's xfree ?
10:54<Vakio>UK-Toker: that's because you're trying to remove the "xserver-xorg" package from the release "xfree86", which makes no sense :)
10:54<ErJeDi>hi fxiny
10:54<UK-Toker>ahh i c.
10:54<Vakio>UK-Toker: how about "apt-get --purge remove xserver-xorg"?
10:55<UK-Toker>aha.. that looks more like the trick.. thanks...
10:56<Vakio>UK-Toker: the slash is used for commands like "apt-get install xserver-xorg/unstable", I think.
10:57<aya>does anyone know how to permanently remap keyboard keys (e.g. caps-lock becomes esc) even for the terminal.
10:57<UK-Toker>thanks vakio.
10:57<Vakio>UK-Toker: no problem.
10:58<UK-Toker>hopefully thats removed all traces of old config files and all..
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11:13<Hannah>Hello i have a problem! i install freebsd i adduser a user and i configure a ircd , when i Start ircd, killed automated the process
11:13<Hannah>why? and how i can resolved this error?
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11:14<fxiny>freebsd ?
11:14<Hannah>ups :) debian
11:14<fxiny>heheheheeh
11:15<fxiny>don't choke :)
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11:17<HellTiger_>hm
11:18<NotSure>i wrote a driver but ubuntu inserts default input driver instead of mine. What do I do?
11:18<NotSure>the driver is for Logitech RumblePad2 USB Joystick
11:18<fxiny>another one ?
11:18<fxiny>ubuntu ?
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11:18<NotSure>sorry! wrong channel to mention ubuntu here...
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11:19<NotSure>anyway, the kernel is 2.6.20-16
11:19<NotSure>the driver is compiled to *.ko
11:19<NotSure>i use insmod
11:19<NotSure>then replug
11:20<NotSure>it gives it /dev/input/eventX
11:20<NotSure>not my module
11:20<NotSure>i don't get it
11:20<NotSure>anybody listens to this? let me know
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11:22<isuckatlinux>u use ubuntu?
11:22<isuckatlinux>u r still in debian
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11:22<NotSure>yeah, but who cares? it is linux kernel 2.6.20-16!
11:23<isuckatlinux>i guess
11:23<NotSure>what is the point? the ko module is not being assigned to USB device when i replug it
11:23<NotSure>can you help out ?
11:23<NotSure>the module is for USB joystick
11:24<frank>!ubuntu
11:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
11:24<isuckatlinux>sorry dont know, maybe using modprobe instead of insmod
11:24<NotSure>jees, i guess i should not have ever said i use ubuntu
11:24<NotSure>modprobe does not work on it
11:25<isuckatlinux>why
11:25<NotSure>see, my question of more general nature and it basically does not matter whether it is debian or ubuntu
11:25<isuckatlinux>dont fight it pal
11:26<NotSure>by the way
11:26<NotSure>may be you can educate me a bit
11:26<NotSure>what is the difference between Debian and Ubuntu?
11:26<NotSure>do you folks use GNOME ?
11:27<isuckatlinux>i dont know man, ubuntu is worse, read the policies
11:28<isuckatlinux>so, why modprobe doesnt work
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11:28<NotSure>but how is it work?
11:28<NotSure>i mean worse?
11:28<Vakio>Gnome is the default desktop environment for the desktop task, yes.
11:28<isuckatlinux>i tried ubuntu, it is slower for me, very gpu consuming
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11:29<NotSure>so, wait: Debian and Ubuntu use the same kernel right?
11:29<Vakio>NotSure: nope.
11:29<NotSure>ok, so the kernel is different?
11:29<fxiny>NotSure: nahh . just before you said ubu someone else said freebsd then he turned it into debian .that's why i said another one
11:29<Vakio>NotSure: it might be.
11:30<lupine>they both use the Linux kernel, but with different variationsd
11:30<lupine>also, you can get BSD/Debian
11:30<NotSure>ok, BSD (Berkeley Soft Distro) has nothing to do w/ Linux right? (I mean it is not linux until Linus came in and made his kernel) right?
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11:31<NotSure>so what is up with Debian? Like if you run uname -r, what do you get?
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11:31<jo91nb>Im needing help to moutn at USB-penn in my Skolelinux 2.0 Trying to mount the penn, but I'm lost. When putting inn the penn i get: "Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Can anyone please help?
11:31<lupine>BSD refers to a license, and a bunch of closely-related kernels released under that license. Has nothing to do with Linux, but you can run the same userspace on both kernels (for the most part)
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11:32<NotSure>ok, i am getting it
11:32<NotSure>so GNOME is userspace, right?
11:32<lupine>yep
11:32<lupine>along with all of GNU
11:32<lupine>(Well, except their kernel - the Hurd)
11:32<NotSure>what is Hurd?
11:33<lupine>the GNU kernel
11:33<NotSure>GNU by Stallman?
11:33<lupine>(you can get Hurd/Debian as well)
11:33<lupine>yep
11:33<UK-Toker>any one know how to uninstall the Rain from the clouds above!! j/k
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11:33<Vakio>UK-Toker: no rain here. The problem must be in your end.
11:33<lupine>UK-Toker: when it rains, that's the rain being uninstalled from the clouds
11:34<NotSure>all right, but so RedHat, Debian and Ubuntu are all different branches that spawned from original Linux ?
11:34<UK-Toker>lol.. thanks... ..
11:34<lupine>NotSure: they all use the Linux kernel and the GNU userspace, yes
11:34<PPPP>yes
11:35<NotSure>so, basically the point of kernel is to export some kind of API into userspace so userspace soft can work on the system, right?
11:35<lupine>pretty much. The kernel is the hardware/software interface
11:35<fxiny>so what ? if i want to run freebsd you want me to ask Linus permission ?
11:35<fxiny>i did
11:36<fxiny>and i prefere it to ubuntu
11:36<lupine>eh?
11:36<NotSure>so basically you can modify GNU Hurd kernel so it exports some common APIs so stuff like GNOME will work on it, right?
11:36<fxiny>i'm not running it anymore
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11:36<lupine>NotSure: yep. although the Hurd isn't ready yet
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11:37<NotSure>i thought you said it is the original GNU by Stallman (the RMS guy)
11:37<lupine>yes, and it sucks
11:37<lupine>it's a microkernel
11:37<NotSure>not monolithic?
11:37<lupine>hurd is a microkernel
11:38<NotSure>is it out already?
11:38<bzed>lol
11:38<lupine>and not a very good one
11:38<fxiny>like qnx
11:38<bzed>already is the wrong word
11:38<lupine>NotSure: it boots, then it crashes
11:38<lupine>(or at least, it did here)
11:39<bzed>NotSure: replace already by finally or so... ;)
11:39<NotSure>all right, folks so long ago some dude thought to compile Linus's kernel and export some API's into userspace and write up some programs and the whole thing became known as Debian, right?
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11:39<Vakio>NotSure: I'm sure you could understand these thing better by reading Wikipedia or some other source, than by asking questions here. Not that asking is wrong, but maybe you are asking the wrong things :)
11:39<lupine>NotSure: not exactl
11:39<lupine>...y
11:39<Vakio>s/thing/things
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11:40<lupine>Debian is a kernel (any kernel) + a load of GNU software + other Free software + the deb packaging system
11:40<NotSure>so maybe somebody (like channel op) can tell me why is Deb better than Ubuntu?
11:40<lupine>that last is what really defines Debian
11:40<lupine>!why debian
11:40<dpkg>http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/
11:40<bzed>NotSure: it's more like: some dude had the idea to create a new distribution, he took the kernel, glibc and a ton of programs and there it was..... the better story is on wikipedia
11:40<NotSure>yeah but i use dpkg on ubuntu!
11:40<lupine>indeed
11:41<NotSure>i can download feb package and use it!! Ha! On ubuntu, so what is the point?
11:41<lupine>I prefer debian to Ubuntu because testing breaks less often that ubuntu+1
11:41<lupine>than*
11:41<lupine>and ubuntu+0 becomes stale so fast
11:41<bzed>NotSure: the channel ops here are all debian developers, do you really think you'd get a neutral opinion from them?
11:41<gravity>NotSure: You should just try both and use whichever one suits your needs
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11:41<lupine>also, debian has more software
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11:41<NotSure>ok, wait, so now folks go out and compile new ubuntus, like kubuntu, is the same thing happening to Debian?
11:41<bzed>NotSure: if you like to reinstall your system instead of beeing able to upgrade from one verison to the next one without problems... then use Ubuntu
11:42<lupine>NotSure: Ubuntu is based on
11:42<lupine>...Debian
11:42<wo0f>NotSure, id recomend ubuntu for desktop, and debian for a server
11:42<lupine>(all of them)
11:42<gravity>NotSure: Ubuntu is a "new Debian"
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11:42<lupine>wo0f: I'd recommend debian for both :p
11:42<bzed>NotSure: kubuntu is just ubuntu but with a kde desktop as default isndtead of the gnome desktop
11:42<lupine>maybe ubuntu for a few edge cases like certain laptops
11:42<PPPP>debian is harder for beginners
11:42<lupine>PPPP: oh no it isn't :p
11:42<NotSure>Ha! Here the truth comes out finally! Ubuntu is based on Debian! It is its successor, so why you folks want to keep using Debian?
11:42<wo0f>lupine, i would'nt :/ ubuntu i specifically designed for desktop, debian isnt
11:43<wo0f>NotSure, thats not true
11:43<PPPP>I mean its harder to install
11:43<isuckatlinux>dude they told u that in the beggining
11:43<gravity>NotSure: It's not its successor. It's a derivative. Is kubuntu the successor to ubuntu?
11:43<wo0f>NotSure, debian is stand alone
11:43<lupine>wo0f: they're both designed for both
11:43<wo0f>NotSure, ubuntu is a fork of debian
11:43<lupine>the ubuntu=desktop, debian=server distinction is false
11:43<Vakio>PPPP: have you installed Etch?
11:43<PPPP>No, i ried the older version
11:43<wo0f>lupine, rofl and who uses ubuntu for a server?
11:43<lupine>all sorts of people
11:43<isuckatlinux>Notsure, I installed ubuntu, and came back to debian, what does it tell u?
11:43<gravity>NotSure: Anyhow, it sounds like you just want to troll us and get us to use ubuntu instead of Debian.
11:44<wo0f>lupine, idiots:P
11:44<bzed>wo0f: I hope nobody
11:44<gravity>NotSure: If that's the case, I reccomend you leave.
11:44<lupine>it's no less secure than Debian
11:44<PPPP>the installer was in text mode, i
11:44<Vakio>PPPP: you should try it before saying that Debian is hard to install.
11:44<lupine>PPPP: there's a GUI installer for Debian
11:44<NotSure>ok, wait, here again it comes, GNOME vs KDE, what do you folks use?
11:44<lupine>and a text-mode installer for Ubuntu
11:44<gravity>!tell NotSure about polls
11:44<isuckatlinux>Etch has an awesome installer
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11:44<lupine>all these false arguments...
11:44<fxiny>there are many good distro but only one mith : debian
11:44<PPPP>I tried, but the older release, and I think that the text installer is hard
11:44<bzed>NotSure: fluxbox.
11:44<NotSure>cause I tell you: i got my ubuntu for free: good guys send me free disc!!!
11:45<PPPP>Yes, I've never tried the GUI
11:45<lupine>Ubuntu have $10 million spare
11:45<bzed>NotSure: oh wow, you can download debian for free
11:45<bzed>same for ubuntu
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11:45<isuckatlinux>well, if u cant handle a text interface maybe u shouldnt be using linux
11:45<lupine>give the debian foundation $10m, and I'm sure they'll be happy to offer free discs
11:45<isuckatlinux>thats windows for
11:45<wo0f>how can i configure grub installed on on an ide drive to boot from a raid array??
11:45<gravity>NotSure: Please stop. This isn't #ubuntu. If you don't want to talk about Debian, then please leave.
11:45<PPPP>but I think its not automatically starting when you boot the cd (not shure)
11:45<gravity>NotSure: Comparing Debian to other distros is off-topic.
11:45<NotSure>no, no i want to talk about Debian
11:46<NotSure>let's talk about what environment do you use? i mean KDE vs gnome?
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11:46<gravity>NotSure: Fine, then do it or else you'll be banned
11:46<lupine>Anyway, Debian has a social contract :p
11:46<gravity>NotSure: Polls are also off-topic.
11:46<sheldonh>fxiny: mith?
11:46<NotSure>what are polls?
11:46<gravity>NotSure: As I had dpkg tell you. Now do you have something less combatative to ask about?
11:46<gravity>!polls
11:46<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
11:46<isuckatlinux>gravity, man that's cool, it's a good discussion
11:46<lupine>yay, badgers
11:46<lupine>wo0f: hardware RAID?
11:46<bzed>gnome vs kde is a bad poll, definitely.
11:46<gravity>isuckatlinux: It's on-topic for other channels. We like to keep the flames to a minimum around here
11:47<fxiny>sheldonh: yes that greek "based" word : i did another typo ?
11:47<wo0f>lupine, software raid
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11:47<wo0f>lupine, well its set up is bios, so yeah software raid
11:47<Vakio>Myth?
11:47<lupine>!fakeraid
11:47<dpkg>Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a bios ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. <dmraid>
11:47<sheldonh>fxiny: debian's not a myth, it's a legend :)
11:47<NotSure>wait, guys, sorry for causing so much distress.. so taking a poll is asking 'hot question' right?
11:47<lupine>ho hum
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11:47<fxiny>sheldonh: AGREE :)
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11:48<mikkelorz>hi.. is it possible to install ntfs-3g on etch?
11:48<sheldonh>dpkg, no!!!
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11:48<_luk_>hi
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11:48<sheldonh>not dmraid! md!
11:48<gravity>NotSure: No, it's unproductive. The point of the channel is to help Debian users out. Saying "do you use X or Y?" or "Why don't you use Ubuntu/Knopix/Redhat/Windows?" are not productive to that goal
11:48<lupine>lol, true
11:48<sheldonh>how do you submit a correction to a factoid?
11:48<lupine>sheldonh: grab an op, I guess
11:48<NotSure>ok, ok got ye...
11:49<Myon>sheldonh: dpkg: no X is ...
11:49<sheldonh>ta
11:49<Myon>or X =~ s/a/b/
11:49<sheldonh>oh wait...
11:49<sheldonh>perhaps <dmraid> is an alias for the factoid?
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11:49<fxiny>mikkelorz: yes , last i've seen it on bpo
11:49<fxiny>!bpo
11:49<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>
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11:50<sheldonh>dpkg: no dmraid is Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a bios ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and don't use dmraid, just use regular software raid (md).
11:50<dpkg>okay, sheldonh
11:51<mikkelorz>cool thanks fxiny
11:51<sheldonh>dpkg: no fakeraid is Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a bios ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and don't use dmraid, just use regular software raid (md).
11:51<dpkg>sheldonh: okay
11:51<fxiny>mikkelorz: np
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11:52<isuckatlinux>gravity, that true, but i think his initial question can be answer here
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11:53<gravity>isuckatlinux: Those kinds of questions should generally go to #ubuntu or something like #linux.
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11:54<gravity>isuckatlinux: Yes, we can answer them, but it's really not a good idea most of the time, especially when someone is just trying to get a rise out of you, which seemed apparent in this case
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11:54<fxiny>true : no one never started a discussion here saying debian is better then ubu : every ubu users seems concerned with this
11:54[~]dj_punk_18 is away: Gone away for now.
11:55[~]dj_punk_18 is back.
11:55<gravity>!tell dj_punk_18 about away
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11:55<lupine>ZOMG Debian is better than sux0r Ubuntu!
11:55[~]lupine hides
11:55<valdyn>!start an os war
11:55<dpkg>ITS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks!
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11:55<lupine>hehe
11:56<gravity>See, he already left? He was more interested in the conflict than any actual information about Debian.
11:56<aricz>prfs.. ATARI ST FTW!
11:56<fxiny>a dj punk ? wt4x !
11:56<lupine>AmigaOS sucks, actually
11:56<lupine>about all you can say in it's defence is that it's small
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11:57<isuckatlinux>lol, i like commodores
11:57<lupine>The c=64 was nice. Wouldn't run Debian though
11:58<fxiny>commodore ? i prefere sigue sigue sputnik
11:58<isuckatlinux>wonder how to add wireless to my c64
11:58<lupine>if it's anything like an Atari, you can add a USB expansion card
11:58<fxiny>isuckatlinux: :)
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11:59<aricz>the sidchip.. yummie
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12:00<UK-Toker>at last.. the rain has finnished uninstalling. now time so install some sunshine befor it gets to dark
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12:01<AtUser>ciao
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12:02<isuckatlinux>i use my old config to configure a new kernel, the new kernel stops while booting, how the hell do i know why it stops, i dont see anything in the kernel logs
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12:04<frank>old kernel used initrd, new one misses that?
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12:05<lupine>frank: they use initramfs now
12:05<isuckatlinux>i dont know
12:05<lupine>but yeah, good point
12:05<isuckatlinux>dpkg created the ram disk
12:05<frank>whatsoever, he might miss it
12:06<lupine>isuckatlinux: does the new GRUB entry reference it?
12:06<isuckatlinux>yup, its there
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12:06<isuckatlinux>dpkg does all that
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12:08<isuckatlinux>so, both kernels should use separated initrd? i did all this bs 2 times, the first time i configured the kernel on my own, the second time i used my old config..... both times the boot process stopped in the same place
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12:08<isuckatlinux>just after the usb configuration or whatever that it
12:08<isuckatlinux>is
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12:24<isuckatlinux>so is it to complex to explain or u guys dont know what could be?
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12:31<ubuntu>hello
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12:34<Gilbert0>Why would an rsa fingerprint change? I ssh'ed into my machine at home and I got a message saying " The authenticity of host 'xxxx' can't be established.RSA key fingerprint is xxxx. Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? " I went ahead and pressed yes. Was that a man in the middle?
12:35<lupine>depends
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12:35<ifvoid>Gilbert0: could be
12:35<lupine>the rsa key changes whenever you reinstall the ssh server, for whatever reason
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12:35<lupine>also if you nerf ~/.ssh
12:35<lupine>no, /etc/ssh
12:35<Gilbert0>Oh dear, i don't remember reinstalling openssh
12:36<Gilbert0>nerf?
12:36<lupine>easy way to check: see /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
12:36<lupine>if it matches what you were told the new fingerprint is, you're safe
12:37<lupine>nerf ~=munge, but in a negative fashion
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12:37<Gilbert0>ok let me try that
12:38<Gilbert0>Its like a huge number, which bits the fingerpint?
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12:39<ifvoid>Gilbert0: the first and laste couple of numbers
12:40<Gilbert0>ta
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12:44[~]fxiny do not disturb . Revolution os.mp4 : starring RMS , E.Raymond , Perens and more get your torrent client out !
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12:44<Gilbert0>Ok I'm looking at my ~/.ssh/known_hosts , and I have 2 sets of keys. The latter matches the one on my hosts /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub. So it must have changed I guess?
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12:45<fxiny>bloody hell : i've already seen all of them in the first 2 minutes !
12:45<neosix>hello people!!!
12:47<lupine>fxiny: it's a pretty good film
12:47<lupine>pay attention to rms
12:47<lupine>erm, esr
12:47<lupine>the crazy nutjob
12:47<fxiny>lupine: looks like is a fantastic film to me :)
12:48<fxiny>lupine: Raymond opens !
12:48<lupine>yep, I've seen it
12:49<Gilbert0>So if the key in the host machine's /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub matches what I've got in my ~/.ssh/known_hosts (on the client machine), I'm safe?
12:49<ifvoid>fxiny: what kind of movie is that?
12:49<fxiny>lupine: yes ? you knowe what ? i restarted it twice ! is a dream
12:49<fxiny>ifvoid: Revolutiuon os
12:49<fxiny>ifvoid: i'll get a link asap
12:49<lupine>ifvoid: it charts the development of Linux
12:49<fancylad>safe in what regard Gilbert?
12:50<lupine>Gilbert0: yes, it wasn't an MitM
12:50<ifvoid>is it free?
12:50<fxiny>a torrent
12:50<lupine>ifvoid: in the Freedom sense... :)
12:50<fxiny>i'm looking for it
12:50<Gilbert0>lupine: Ok thanks, that's a relief.
12:50<fxiny>i want to move it back to this bos and reseed it
12:50<fxiny>box*
12:51<fxiny>ifvoid: Raymond opens ,then Torwalds , RMS and Perens int the first two minutes !
12:52<bueno>i've a problem with new ati drivers
12:52<lupine>esr + communism is the best bit of the whole film
12:52<bueno>"error in md5checksums" cannot execute binary file.... thats the message i get when i try sh ati-driver.run
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12:53<lupine>bueno: sounds corrupted
12:53<fancylad>where did u get the driver?
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12:54<bueno>from amd site
12:54<bueno>the actual driver
12:54<fxiny>what do you mean for free ?
12:54<bueno>i downloaded it 2 times
12:54<fxiny>i'm moving it back here
12:55<bueno>dunno what to do :(
12:55<fxiny>i feel like a sh* watching it and not reseeding it
12:55<fancylad>bueno: is there a md5checksum listed for the file on the site?
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12:55<bueno>wait a minute i will look for it
12:55<fxiny>i moved a dir over : did not remember what inside
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12:58<fxiny>right : i feel much better now :)
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12:58<bueno>there is no md5checksum on the site :(
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12:58<bueno>craap thats the official amd website...
12:58<fxiny>is still avaiable if someone cares , just look for it
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12:59<fancylad>bueno: what version of the ati driver?
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13:00<bueno>fancylad 8.41.7
13:01<Eulex>bueno, are there any special reason that you need 8.41.7?
13:02<bueno>hmm i wanna try if i can run 3d rendering with this version
13:02<bueno>at the moment my 3d rendering is mesa (the free one)
13:03<fancylad>bueno: are u running a 64-bit os?
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13:03<Eulex>bueno, if an a little older version would do, install the one from debian.
13:03<Eulex>!fglrx onelines
13:03<Eulex>!fglrx oneliner
13:03<bueno>no i am not running a 64bit os
13:03<Eulex>!fglrx-oneliner
13:03<dpkg>well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources>
13:04<Eulex>bleh
13:04<bueno>hui
13:04<fancylad>bueno: give me the url. i will download it and run md5sum. u can run md5sum on the file too and we can compare
13:05<bueno>okay
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13:05<bueno>http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhd.html
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13:07<Eulex>bueno, it's not recommended to install fglrx via the installer provided by ati/amd. it's not made for debian.
13:07<fancylad>bueno: i believe this is a 64-bit driver. i don't know if it matters or not
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13:08<Eulex>fancylad, afaik fglrx runs on both x86 and x86_64
13:08<fancylad>eulex: thanks
13:09<fancylad>bueno: 0b43b45499ced87a6bd30d99faed25cc
13:10<bueno>okay
13:10<bueno>i become "cannot execute binary file" when i try md5sum
13:11<bueno>... hm Eulex okay i have fglrx
13:11<bueno>maybe i will got it up with fglrx
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13:15<fancylad>bueno: did u type md5sum <name of file>?
13:16<bueno>jap
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13:17<fancylad>bueno: perhaps your md5sum program is corrupt?
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13:21<vilhjalms>hi
13:22<fxiny>lupine: i paid attention to RMS : some old pics ! hahhaah
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13:34<klaes>hey, anybody else running unstable and just lost the use of their mouse? ekiga went, along with gnome-desktop-environment and gnome... i believe thats the problem, some dependencies for ekiga wont install either...
13:34<klaes>any ideas?
13:34<klaes>or just someone who knows what the plugin for firefox with numbers to all the links is called?
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13:37<rickbot>don't know what happened but gnome in sid often has things breaking
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13:37<rickbot>one of the reasons i stick with kde
13:38<sini>I messed up and did a dist-upgrade on a fresh install to unstable, and am using xorg 7.3+2? I need fglrx -- fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.1.0)
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13:38<sini>how do I fix this? Do I need to downgrade xorg to 7.2 or 7.1? How do I do a downgrade without it uninstalling everything because of dependancies?
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13:38<sini>I've never done a downgrade in apt :-/
13:39<beak>sini: I have the same problem
13:39<beak>well, at least a variation
13:39<chealer>klaes: if you have to ask, it would be best to switch to testing.
13:39<rickbot>sini: you need to downgrade. the new xorg is really screwed at the mement until drivers get updated
13:39<beak>rickbot: what's the recommended way to downgrade then
13:39<chealer>klaes: best to switch to testing or stable
13:39<sini>rickbot: can you tell me how to downgrade? I've been browsing forums.debian.net but can't seem to find a relevant thread
13:39<chealer>klaes: oops
13:40<chealer>sini: best to switch to testing or stable
13:40<chealer>!tell sini about downgrade
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13:42<beak>!tell beak about downgrade
13:42<klaes>hmm...
13:42<chealer>!tell beak about selftell
13:42<klaes>well, first time i had the prob
13:42<rickbot>apt-get remove --purge xorg xserver-xorg
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13:43<beak>oke, but there is really no guarantee that it will work
13:43<rickbot>trying to remember, there's one more package as well but the point is you need --purge to completely get rid of it and then install the earlier version
13:43<rickbot>in init 3 of course
13:43<beak>an option would be to just live with it until some kind person builds a new radeon driver with ABI 2
13:44<beak>or to build one
13:44<klaes>well, first time in a long time i havent found a fix to problem with unstable...
13:44<klaes>ill just try and find smt...
13:44<rickbot>you need to be out of x to install/upgrade anything to do with x
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13:45<rickbot>http://sidux.com/Article331.html
13:45<sini>How would I go about restircting the version on xorg? what file would I edit to get it to hold at a version? I'm coming from gentoo
13:46<Vakio>Aptitude has hold.
13:46<Vakio>man aptitude
13:46<rickbot>i use sidux and they've set xorg to 'hold' in the 'smxi' upgrade/etc. script
13:46<sini>so if I were doing a fresh install I'd change my sources to testing, aptitude hold xorg, switch back to sid and update?
13:46<rickbot>for this reason
13:47<rickbot>everybody has problems of one sort or another
13:47<sini>rickbot: how is sidux? I've found it referenced in various sources.list files I've found?
13:47<rickbot>awsome
13:47<chealer>rickbot: sidux is offtopic here.
13:47<chealer>s/rickbot/sini/
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13:47<rickbot>this is a good example of things they do to avoid the problems you might have just running sid
13:48<sini_>sorry I got dropped randomly apparently :D
13:48<sini_>you were saying? :D
13:48<rickbot>sorry, was just answering a question :)
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14:08<Guest946>nickname
14:08<Guest946>nickname starbuck
14:08<Guest946>nick starbuck
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14:10<starbuck>hallo?
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14:17<ben_goodger>tumtitum
14:18<fxiny>shhhum tum tum tum
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14:23<Guest947>hi all
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14:30<vaxire>bonsoir
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14:31<Guest948>chat,nrj,fr
14:32<vaxire>quelqu'un pourrait m'aider à monter mes ports usb?
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14:32<Scurz>vaxire: You are not on #debian-fr.
14:32<vaxire>sorry
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14:38<JuanCasoftWare>Hi
14:39<JuanCasoftWare>one friend?
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14:43<nnacht>Anyone has experience with Eclipse CDT? How can I let the "code completion" work?
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14:48<JuanCasoftWare>Hi,
14:48<JuanCasoftWare>please help in debian starge linux
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14:53<marze>TNF1558 xs says for size 6-7 anything like this for a boys 4-5?
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14:56<ino>hey
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14:57<ino>can some one tell me where i can find the smclient headers ??
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15:22<mikkelorz>im kinda confused here: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ${UPLINK} -j SNAT --to ${UPIP}
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15:23<mikkelorz>returns unknown arg "--to"
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15:25<frank>mikkelorz: must be --to-source
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15:28<mikkelorz>ah there we go :D
15:28<mikkelorz>thank you frank
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15:37<cobalto>does someone know where i can download passwd and chage source ?
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15:38<Myon>apt-get source passwd?
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15:41<cobalto>mm let me try
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15:43<cobalto>apt-get is great :)
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16:03<ekekos>I'm having problems with mouse under xorg from the last dist-upgrade in Sid. I can't move windows with mouse cursor. Somebody anything knows about this problem or a suggestion?
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16:04<monitor>olá
16:04<monitor>tudo bem galera
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16:15<wferi>Hi! I put swap on a logical volume. At shutdown, *after* switching off swap, the LV still can't be deactivated. Already in the initramfs stage the open count goes to 1, then to 2 at swapon, and back to 1 at swapoff. During boot, the swap partition is touched by the suspend/resume check, and that seems to leave a trace. If I append noresume to the kernel command line, the open count goes back to zero at shutdown.
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16:15<wferi>I think it's a bug, but don't know where to report it. I'm using Etch.
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16:15<wferi>Anybody cares to comment?
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16:19<lancelott>how can I get in contact with whoever manages the mailing lists for debian
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16:26<Requiem>how would I go about changing the sizes of hard drive partitions?
16:27<Requiem>hmm, could fdisk handle that?
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16:27<TBBle>Plain fdisk? I think you'd end up deleting and recreating them.
16:27<TBBle>parted might be able to.
16:27<Requiem>thought so
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16:30<Requiem>npw this is lovely...
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16:30<Requiem>how do I open graphical apps with root privledges?
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16:32<dli>!tell Requiem about sux
16:33<sputnick>salut par là
16:34<sputnick>wrong channel, oups
16:34<sputnick>hi there
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16:35<Requiem>Dangit...
16:35<Eulex>Requiem, gksu or kdesu, or sudo from a terminal
16:35<Requiem>okay, it's open, but it wants me to unmount the partitions before it will register changes...
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16:37<tuv>how can i tell the real brand of a dvd-r media? i tried dvd+rw-mediainfo but couldn't tell the media brand
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16:39<Requiem>hmm
16:40<Requiem>maybe it's best I pull out the ubuntu liveCD, think that has a copy of GParted on it
16:41<cobalto>tuv: may be in /sysfs
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16:58<tuv>cobalto, nope
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17:04<cobalto>and dmesg ?
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17:19<smoke>hi!!
17:19<smoke>anyone know a good torrent client?
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17:19<E0x>rtorrent , torrentflux
17:19<lupine>rtorrent ftw
17:19<smoke>thanks buddy :)
17:19<smoke>nicce
17:19<smoke>:D
17:20<lupine>ktorrent is a pretty good graphical one, cpu cycle-slurping behaviour aside
17:20<smoke>hmm
17:20<smoke>I just want 1st season of heroes
17:20<smoke>;)
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17:22<zambba>deluge
17:23<zambba>there are many alternatives although my choise is µtorrent+wine
17:23<dli>smoke, rtorrent is great for CLI
17:24<dli>smoke, or azureus with nice GUI if you have a powerful machine
17:24<Vakio>smoke: buy the DVD.
17:24<smoke>Vakio no thanks :T
17:24<smoke>dli thanks buddy ;)
17:25<smoke>hmm maybe i gat first episode only
17:25<smoke>get
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17:28<user1-000-000>hello, could someone tell me whats happening here? http://rafb.net/p/mlGw7G53.html and here? http://rafb.net/p/uB661S17.html
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17:32<smoke>ktorrent is nice!! thanks a lot guys!!
17:32<smoke>you are the best!
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17:47<kurdak>hello
17:48<kurdak>i can't speack englisch
17:48<kurdak>but I have problem witch ssh autostart
17:48<kurdak>pleas help me
17:48<Jasons>!pl
17:48<dpkg>hmm... pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
17:49<kurdak>thenks
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18:13<Guest964>mrxvt "can't load font ..." where ... are fonts installed on the system (any I've tried). I've added "mrxvt*multichar_encoding:noenc" to ~/.Xdefaults and messed somewhat with /etc/X11/XftConfig but no dice. Anyone seen this before?
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18:17<ia64>hi guys. any idea how to support Hebrew on my terminal (no x11)
18:17<Hessophanes>roderyk: What exactly are you trying to do? Change the font mrxvt is using?
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18:20<Hessophanes>ia64: the 'user-he' package might contain what you want...
18:20<roderyk>Hessophanes: yes
18:21<roderyk>Hessophanes: I also tried it via ~/.mrxvtrc: Mrxvt.font: -nil-profont-medium-r-normal--0-0-72-72-c-0-iso8859-1
18:21<roderyk>still no dice. The font is available elsewhere (eg. firefox)
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18:22<Hessophanes>roderyk: ... i.e. xlsfonts is listing that font?
18:22<lupine>question - what do I put into CPPFLAGS to get g++ to not: "cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors" ?
18:23<Hessophanes>lupine: -Wno-error ?
18:24<lupine>Hessophanes: I guess that would work. Thanks :)
18:24<Hessophanes>;)
18:24<roderyk>Hessophanes: no, any suggestions on how to set that up? : )
18:25<lupine>hrm. except it doesn't :/
18:25<ia64>thanks guys!
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18:25<nexx_>hey guys
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18:26<Hessophanes>lupine: Why is -Werror set anyway? It's not the default IIRC...
18:26<lupine>actually, d'oh. I'll probably have to re-run configure
18:26<lupine>Hessophanes: it's not my code
18:27<NeXX>im using enlightenment and i have dual monitors right, the problem is that i have different sized monitors so i want to change the resolution, also i want to be able to change the "location" so to speak of my second monitor
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18:27<NeXX>my second monitor is on the left side of my primary one and up a little bit
18:27<Hessophanes>lupine: -Werror is one of the first things I get rid of after adopting a package. :) - Ah, I see.
18:27<NeXX>is there some kind of X program i can use to configure this for me?
18:27<Hessophanes>roderyk: Hm, let's try the other way round: Where did you find that font string?
18:28<lupine>that works now :)
18:28<lupine>stupid "doing that is deprecated"-type errors
18:29[~]NeXX waves hoping someone will notice him
18:29<NeXX>:)
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18:30<lupine>wait, no it doesn't
18:30<lupine>bah
18:31<lupine>gets further anyway
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18:31<roderyk>Hessophanes: the font was in ~/.fonts/; I googled: mkfontscale, mkfontdir, xset +fp ~/.fonts; works now
18:31<roderyk>Hessophanes: thanks a lot for xlsfonts.. :)
18:31<Hessophanes>roderyk: Ah, ok! You're welcome.
18:31<NeXX>lupine: any suggestions?
18:32<lupine>I don't use enlightenment
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18:35<tuv>cobalto, dmesg doesn't say anything about media, only about the drive
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18:40<mudder>is xorg 7.3 still held back? still lots of problems with it?
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19:41<Caveira>#lurk
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19:44<danielR>hello
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19:47<isuckatlinux>ts up yo
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20:40<sini>Hello I'm about to reinstall debian and I intend to use unstable. I know about the problem with xorg currently and non-free drivers -- what is the most effective way to hold xorg to a stable version before I dist-upgrade to unstable? assuming I'm upping from etch.
20:41<litage|w>sini: you can pin packages to certain versions/releases
20:42<sini>litage, can you give me an example of how I would do that? I would use aptitude hold or something right?
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20:43<Supaplex>!tell sini -about pinning
20:43<Supaplex>pinning > hold
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20:44<sini>thanks
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20:45<sini>the wikilink for pinning doesn't exist :D
20:45<sini>oh wait yes it does
20:45<sini>stupid period
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20:47[~]Supaplex tells sini's woman about "stupid period, and waits for the fallout"
20:47<sini>haha
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20:48<sini>so i would just add a preferences rule for xorg instead of * and set the priority to 10000 or something?
20:48<sini>or will holding work better than pinning?
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21:02<rafael>aaa
21:03<rafael>alguem me ajuda
21:05<rafael>acho que nao
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21:06<gizmo>wee
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21:08<rafael>i need help
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21:16<apeitheo_>I used the netinst cd, and when it came up with the options of what package selections I wanted, it said only "base system" or whatever was available--why?
21:17<Supaplex>has the base system installed yet?
21:17<apeitheo_>Supaplex: yes, I rebooted into the system to see if it continued there
21:17<chealer_>apeitheo_: from which URL did you download?
21:17<apeitheo_>but it did not
21:17<Supaplex>!tell apeitheo_ -about sources.list
21:18<Supaplex>update your sources, aptitude update, then you can carry on.
21:18<apeitheo_>Supaplex: I was just expecting it to say something directly on the cd
21:18<apeitheo_>Supaplex: i.e. downloading a list of the software and then allowing you to choose what you want--and downloading/installing directly during the installation.
21:18<shardz_ez>the net install cd doesnt have much on it, jusr base system
21:19<apeitheo_>I think it'd be nice to have it do that though.
21:19<shardz_ez>thats what apt is for
21:19<apeitheo_>allow you the option, while you're installing, to fetch software over the internet
21:19<shardz_ez>i think base system includes aptitude
21:19<shardz_ez>thats really easy to use and install what you want
21:20<apeitheo_>okay, well I'll do what Supaplex said--thanks
21:20<Supaplex>enjoy :)
21:20<apeitheo_>Supaplex: I'm coming from slackware, so we'll see :)
21:20<Supaplex>:>
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21:23<reevolution>alguien que hable español
21:24<Supaplex>!es
21:24<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:27<brigan>can any one help me
21:27<dendrite>Perhaps a psychic could...
21:27<brigan>haha
21:28<brigan>ok im having trouble with kde on the ubuntu
21:28<brigan>distro
21:28<isuckatlinux>:)
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21:28<brigan>it locks up for no reason on simple tasks
21:29<brigan>like right clicking on something
21:30<chealer_>brigan: /topic
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21:31<brigan>oh i see sorry
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21:34<ShadowPhoenix>I replaced my motherboard/CPU and now my eth4 thinks it's inet6
21:34<ShadowPhoenix>How can I make it get an IP address?
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21:37<isuckatlinux>can u paste the output of ifconfig -a in pastebin.com?
21:37<brigan>love it when u go to a channel and ask and no response people in ubuntu but not a soul there
21:37<brigan>lol
21:38<ShadowPhoenix>isuckatlinux: one sec
21:38<blarson>ShadowPhoenix: You can edit the udev aliases to reassign which device gets which name.
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21:40<blarson> in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
21:42<blarson>ShadowPhoenix: actual configuration in /etc/network/interfaces
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21:43<ShadowPhoenix>http://pastebin.com/d623ccedf
21:43<ShadowPhoenix>oh
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21:43<ShadowPhoenix>I typed that for nothing? :p
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21:44<isuckatlinux>i dont understand the question, eth 4 is there
21:45<ShadowPhoenix>but it is trying to do IPv6
21:45<ShadowPhoenix>I don't have that on router
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21:48<isuckatlinux>im sure u can change that with ifconfig........... /sbin/ifconfig interface [address_family]
21:48<isuckatlinux>would be something like ifconfig eth4 ipv4
21:48<isuckatlinux>i guess
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21:49<ShadowPhoenix>oh
21:49<ShadowPhoenix>ipv4: Host name lookup failure
21:50<isuckatlinux>IPv4
21:50<aminorex>there seems to be something bad about en_US.UTF-8 locales in lenny. under screen, i can't read man pages at all, for example. any pointers?
21:50<isuckatlinux>try with the case
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21:50<ShadowPhoenix>same thing :/
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21:51<isuckatlinux>ifconfig eth4 ipv4 auto-dhcp
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21:51<isuckatlinux>anyone knows how to use ifconfig!
21:52<Supaplex>mmm taste o riffic meatloaf.
21:52<dendrite>isuckatlinux: No, it's one of those programs that nobody seems to know how to use.
21:52<Supaplex>isuckatlinux: man 5 interfaces
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21:53<Supaplex>or manually, ifconfig <if#> ip.ip.ip.ip up netmask x.x.x.x broadcast y.y.y.y ; route add default gw z.z.z.z dev if#
21:54<ShadowPhoenix>lol
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21:55<isuckatlinux>any changes?
21:55<Supaplex>what do you mean?
21:55<ShadowPhoenix>It's just that the comand is iface
21:55<Supaplex>man 5 interfaces is the right way to do it. manually is no persistant
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21:55<ShadowPhoenix>It's like an iphone. Iface...
21:55<isuckatlinux>ShadowPhoenix is trying to configure eth4 for ipv4 instead of ipv6
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21:56<aminorex>ifconfig ifname ipaddr/cidrlength works too
21:57<Supaplex>ifconfig is a feature ridden utility. there are a lot of things you can do with it. :)
21:57<ShadowPhoenix>I think I got it
21:57<ShadowPhoenix>But how do I insert in vi?
21:57<Supaplex>i
21:57<isuckatlinux>with the i
21:57<aminorex>you just type
21:57<isuckatlinux>type and then :wq
21:57<aminorex>oh wait, that's emacs
21:58<ShadowPhoenix>aaah I made 15 numbers
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21:58<ShadowPhoenix>how do I restart the network now?
21:58<Supaplex>ifdown -a ; ifup -a
21:59<aminorex>do /etc/init.d/networking restart
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22:01<ShadowPhoenix>restarting...
22:02<ShadowPhoenix>blah, maybe a full reboot will help?
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22:02<Supaplex>if you want.
22:02<Supaplex>!reboot
22:02<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps
22:03<ShadowPhoenix>!qotd2
22:03<dpkg><mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it.
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22:03<ShadowPhoenix>lol
22:03<ShadowPhoenix>that is great
22:04<isuckatlinux>a reboot will probably help with windows
22:04<streuner>haha
22:04<ShadowPhoenix>it's still loading IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver for some reason
22:04<ShadowPhoenix>OMG
22:04<ShadowPhoenix>IT WORKS!!!
22:05[~]ShadowPhoenix gives isuckatlinux and streuner a big friendly hug
22:05<Supaplex>o.O
22:05<isuckatlinux>me? lol, give it to Supaplex, they help when u push them around a bit
22:05<ShadowPhoenix>Thank you guys, you saved my life :P
22:05<ShadowPhoenix>oh yeah, sorry, tab completion + no coffee = wrong person
22:06[~]ShadowPhoenix gives Supaplex an extra hug
22:06<Supaplex>streuner: can't get enough of that quote huh? :)
22:06<Supaplex>ShadowPhoenix: np
22:06<streuner>yeah, its funny :-)
22:06<Supaplex>:)
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22:09<ShadowPhoenix>what should I cat to find out the temperature of my proccesor?
22:09|-|mankod_en_otro_lado changed nick to Mankod
22:09<Supaplex>!sensors
22:09<dpkg>lm_sensors is probably a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. It is packaged in the lm-sensors package.
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22:11<ShadowPhoenix>wow, you guys have your stuff scripted
22:11<Supaplex>naturally =)
22:11<Supaplex>!roll
22:11<dpkg>supaplex rolled: 3
22:12<ShadowPhoenix>rofl
22:12<ShadowPhoenix>!lol
22:12<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
22:12<dendrite>!prize ShadowPhoenix
22:12[~]dpkg gives ShadowPhoenix a beer.
22:12<ShadowPhoenix>bwahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha
22:12<dendrite>Much better. =)
22:12<ShadowPhoenix>this is just bad :P
22:12<ShadowPhoenix>is it an eggdrop?
22:13<Supaplex>!blottbot
22:13<Supaplex>I think.
22:13<Supaplex>!blootbot
22:13<dpkg>from memory, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support.
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22:13<ShadowPhoenix>sweeet!
22:13<Supaplex>pg support, ouuuu nice.
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22:13<ShadowPhoenix>omg, CPU temp at 24C????
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22:14<ShadowPhoenix>hmm seems to work
22:14<ShadowPhoenix>I lifted the HS and it jumped to 30C
22:15<ShadowPhoenix>holy cow, I dropped the HS back and the temp fell 10C!
22:16<ShadowPhoenix>well, thank you guys yet again :D
22:16<ShadowPhoenix>I have to roll to sleep
22:16<ShadowPhoenix>!sleep
22:16<dpkg>rumour has it, sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk*
22:16<ShadowPhoenix>how did I know :P
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22:17<aminorex>static A long the_pier = 10L*10L*10L*10L*10L*10L*10L*10L*10L;
22:17<aminorex>roflmaosmoomn
22:18<Supaplex>that's enough sweets for you aminorex
22:18<Supaplex>or was it street crack?
22:18<aminorex>roflmaosmoomn, remarkably, does not appear in google.
22:19<Supaplex>it will soon after the channel logs are indexed
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22:19<aminorex>the smoomn is 'spouting milk out of my nose'
22:20<Supaplex>!1875/60
22:20<dpkg>31.25
22:21<dendrite>!1/0
22:21<dpkg>it has been said that 1/0 is undefined
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22:21<dendrite>ZZzz
22:21<Supaplex>!(0/0)+1
22:21<Supaplex>heh
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22:22<aminorex>dpkg is wisely reserved, allowing for non-standard analysis.
22:22<Ouroboros>what determines the default file order returned by 'find'
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22:22<dendrite>Ouroboros: Hmm. Interesting question.
22:22<aminorex>i get them in increasing inode number order
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22:22<aminorex>relative to a specific directory
22:22<Ouroboros>that kinda what i am thinking
22:23<Supaplex>don't count on it being the same in two different invocations :)
22:23<aminorex>but this might be an artifact of the file creation order. probably it's whatever order they occur in in the directory inode.
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22:23<Ouroboros>i have a weird case where another program appears to be getting files in find order, and i have 2 dirs with about 100 files, and the position of only 1 file is different
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22:24<aminorex>mtime vs atime?
22:24<Ouroboros>hm
22:24<Ouroboros>brb
22:24<aminorex>find has ordering parameters, which might be used differently in each case.
22:24<dendrite>Hmm. Not inode order here.
22:25<Ouroboros>this is not actually a linux fs (or is it?), so i am not sure that this applies
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22:28<aminorex>so if my cd burn sounds like chipmunks, what did i do wrong?
22:28<Supaplex>unless your filesystem has some spiffy ordering features and it's enabled on the directory (man chattr iirc), there's little guarantee of anything. observed patterns may repeat themself, but don't count on them being identical between runs.
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22:36<aminorex>i must have recorded chipmunks, i guess.
22:36<dendrite>aminorex: That's my guess.
22:37<dendrite>aminorex: Is the audio file header correct, re sample rate and depth?
22:38<aminorex>headerless. here's the gig. i need to explicitify the decode output bitrate. thanks for the suggestion.
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22:49<Ouroboros>hm, well this is neither inode or atime order
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22:50<Ouroboros>its definitely quite consistent though, except for this one file
22:50<aminorex>what is special about the file?
22:50<aminorex>this is interesting, i must say.
22:50<Ouroboros>nothing
22:51<Ouroboros>this is a bunch of source files
22:51<aminorex>stat a couple
22:51<Ouroboros>this file is perhaps the one i edit the most or most recetly
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22:51<Ouroboros>but the mtime and atime are actually by filename order
22:51<aminorex>find is using the same parameters in both cases?
22:51<Ouroboros>yes, no params
22:52<aminorex>looks like you need to sort the output?
22:52<Ouroboros>well i can do that, i really just want to know what is special here :)
22:52<Ouroboros>actually i probably cant sort it, but the order doesnt really matter anyway
22:52<aminorex>stat them, see if that file stands out
22:52<Ouroboros>ok
22:52<Lupus>hmm
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22:58<Ouroboros>i dont know, all the parameters seem to be random with respect to the order i am getting
22:58<Ouroboros>maybe the file system is playing some kind of trick
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22:59<Ouroboros>hmmmm
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22:59<Ouroboros>so if i delete the files and create a fresh copy, then the file order is exactly alphabetical
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23:01<Ouroboros>this doesnt make sense though because since i have 2 copies here, 1 of them must have been a fresh copy
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23:01<Ouroboros>and yet the order is not alphabetical in either
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23:15<litage|w>Ouroboros: are you an eMDee fan?
23:15<Ouroboros>wha?
23:16<Ouroboros>http://www.rawdidge.com/finalweb/Default.htm <-- this?
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23:18<Villarroel>Hi.
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23:21<Villarroel>Are now xorg modules (like DRI) not configured by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? Or it's in another place not xorg.conf, or what? Now d-r ask fewer questions (good)! But, where I specify the X modules to load, in the Debian, way, not editing directly xorg.conf.
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23:25<Villarroel>Do ATI fglrx drivers suck?
23:26<Ouroboros>thanks for the info, night
23:26<sini>no but they're not workign with xorg 7.3 atm
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23:28<Villarroel>And... where go the Section "Module" in the xorg.conf file ?
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23:48<keith>Debian 4.0r1. I bought a 22" Acer monitor. What changes do I have to do in xorg.conf to allow for the horizontal distortion especially in portraits?
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