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---Logopened Mon Sep 24 00:00:04 2007
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00:07<hachi>what's the choice program on debian for detecting plugin/unplug of a wired eth port and doing the appropriate ifup/ifdown calls?
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00:12<Villarroel>hachi, allow-hotplug <interface> in /etc/network/interfaces .
00:13<hachi>does it require anything to work? cause it's not detecting the unplug/plugin on my laptop (I know the chipset supports carrier detect
00:14<Villarroel>i don't know
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00:23<hachi>bleh, as far as I can tlel /lib/udev/net.agent isn't being called, grrr
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00:50<john>i have a sound card that needs a driver to be recompiled with a patch.c file. anyone care to point me in the right direction?
00:50<john>i have the patch.c file, the card is sigmatel
00:52<Supaplex>unified diffs are the way to go
00:53<john>yes i have a file its called alsa-stac.diff
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00:53<john>i dont know what to do with it
00:54<Supaplex>!patch
00:54<dpkg>i heard patch is just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1'
00:54<john>that sounds almost too easy
00:54<john>ill give it a try
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00:56<filemover>im after some audio format icons for kde can anyone help
00:57<john>www.kde-look.org
00:58<john>they have icon sets there
00:59<filemover>yeah ive seen the ones theyve got and they are pretty plain
00:59<filemover>lol
00:59<john>hmm, i haven't gone anywhere else, tho i never looked for icons
00:59<john>just emerald themes
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00:59<john>you can get the kde4 icon set from there
00:59<filemover>ive been experimenting with them in kde
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01:00<john>hmm, make your own?
01:00<filemover>if u try the nuvoext icons it makes kde look like windows vista
01:00<filemover>thnx anyway
01:01<Supaplex>gag me with a fork while immitating vista
01:01<filemover>lol
01:01<filemover>its not vista
01:01<filemover>it only looks like the vita icons
01:01<filemover>vista
01:01<john>i liked the emerald-vista themes
01:01[~]Supaplex avoids the appearance of evil
01:01<filemover>are they in the repositorys
01:02<john>currently use the OSX clone
01:02<john>yeah they are, but they require subversion to accept a license
01:02<john>in emerald its got the instructions
01:03<filemover>theres a package of themes here for emerald
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01:05<john>yeah those are the GPG ones
01:05<john>legal
01:06<Supaplex>I give it a snowball_'s chance
01:06<Supaplex>gpg or gnu?
01:06<john>the vista ones are too much like vista, so you gotta accept the license
01:06<john>GPL
01:06<john>my bad
01:07<Supaplex>too many TLA
01:07<john>i really think microsofts products are horrid, but they made a sweet looking interface
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01:08<Supaplex>!fusion
01:08<Supaplex>fusion is sweet enough.
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01:15<BoBo_BoSs>hy
01:15<BoBo_BoSs>how install php on my linux :P
01:15<BoBo_BoSs>?
01:16<BoBo_BoSs>Extension Error!
01:16<BoBo_BoSs>Your version of PHP (5.2.0-8+etch7) does not include MySQL support.
01:16<BoBo_BoSs>this is error
01:16<BoBo_BoSs>:))
01:17<Supaplex>!tell BoBo_BoSs -about search
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01:17<Supaplex>!+info php5-mysql etch
01:17<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
01:17<dpkg>php5-mysql: (MySQL module for php5), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch5~pu1 (etch), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 188 kB
01:17<Supaplex>!tell BoBo_BoSs -about enter
01:17<BoBo_BoSs>i have php5-mysql
01:18<Supaplex>check your php.ini
01:19<BoBo_BoSs>man
01:19<BoBo_BoSs>:(
01:19<BoBo_BoSs>how resolv this problem ?
01:20<BoBo_BoSs>apt-get install php5-mysql ?
01:24<BoBo_BoSs>Supaplex
01:24<BoBo_BoSs>?
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01:29<BoBo_BoSs>Your version of PHP (5.2.0-8+etch7) does not include MySQL support.
01:29<BoBo_BoSs>what error is it ?
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01:29<BoBo_BoSs>how fix this error ?
01:31<Supaplex>use php_info(), figure out where php.ini is, load the mysql module
01:33<BoBo_BoSs>man i don`t understend :((
01:33<Supaplex>do you know what php_info is?
01:33<BoBo_BoSs>i am novice in mysql and php
01:33<BoBo_BoSs>man look
01:34<BoBo_BoSs>http://89.39.141.7/stats/
01:34<Supaplex>man? you want to man me?
01:34<Supaplex>nm
01:35<Supaplex>it's like step 1 in setting up any php site
01:35<Supaplex>echo '<?PHP php_info();' > phpinfo.php
01:35<Supaplex>load that page
01:35<Supaplex>look for the php.ini location (because it can be *anywhere*)
01:35<seanius>Supaplex: you mean phpinfo()
01:36<seanius>BoBo_BoSs: apt-get install php5-mysql
01:36<Supaplex>he said it's installed
01:36<BoBo_BoSs>i have
01:36<seanius>and then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
01:36<BoBo_BoSs>txsssssssssssssssssssss
01:36<BoBo_BoSs>seanius
01:36<BoBo_BoSs>you are the best
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01:37<Supaplex>execellent
01:37<seanius>:)
01:37<BoBo_BoSs>:))
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01:47<BoBo_BoSs>seanius how create a forum with my debian ?
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01:50<seanius>BoBo_BoSs: i don't know, probably by installing some forum software
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02:30<Villarroel>bye
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02:41<niru>To add toshiba in the manufacturer list what i need to do
02:42<MikeSpencer>hi, i am new
02:42<MikeSpencer>i have installed xchat
02:43<MikeSpencer>how i can see the userlist?
02:45<chealer>niru: which manufacturer list?
02:45<chealer>MikeSpencer: ask #xchat
02:45<niru>Toshiba,HQ,TVS etc
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02:46<niru>chealer, any idea
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02:48<chealer>niru: I wasn't asking for an extensive description. where do you see that list?
02:48<niru>chealer, in printer configuration
02:48<niru>chealer, I see all manufacurtr but not toshiba
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02:51<chealer>niru: which printer configuration?
02:51<niru>chealer, ?
02:51<niru>to configure a printer
02:51<MikeSpencer>how is the command to go in two networks?
02:51<niru>system->administration->printer configuration
02:52<chealer>niru: in GNOME?
02:52<niru>chealer, yes
02:52<chealer>niru: sorry, no idea
02:53<chealer>MikeSpencer: what do you mean, getting an IP on two LAN-s or what?
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02:55<MikeSpencer>noo
02:55<MikeSpencer>i want with xchat go to two networks
02:56<MikeSpencer>i want go with xchat into two networks
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02:56<MikeSpencer>i want join into two networks with xchat
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03:01<alex_>MikeSpencer, DONT SPAM ANF RTFM NOOB
03:02<MikeSpencer>why you don´t help me?
03:02<dondelelcaro>alex_: please lose the caps, and don't be denigrating to others.
03:02<MikeSpencer>you are a lamer?
03:02<alex_>............
03:02<MikeSpencer>-.-
03:02<alex_>im the lamer?
03:02<MikeSpencer>affirmative
03:02<alex_>your a fucking moron.
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03:03<dondelelcaro>MikeSpencer: calling people a lamer isn't particularly useful either. I've silenced you for the next 10 minutes.
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03:04<chealer>MikeSpencer: oh. #xchat will tell you that too
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03:07<lupine>MikeSpencer: possibly /connect <server> will join a second IRC network
03:08<lupine>I don't use xchat, though
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03:11<sheldonh>wow, the kids are out in full force. morning :)
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03:19<peej>I have a 32 GB drive and I want to copy that system over to a new 80 GB drive so that I can just slap in the new drive in the old box. I've mkfs.ext3 the new drive and made it bootable and copied a tarball over to the new drive. And unpacked it in a chroot system so that the unpacked stuff should be laid out in the new drive just like in the old drive. booting from the new drive on another machine (ie not the machine that has the 32GB drive) fails (OS not found
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03:20<lupine>you haven't installed GRUB on the new drive, have you?
03:21<peej>oh. that's outside the file system. dopey me.
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03:21<lupine>:)
03:22<peej>ok, let's see, lemme think about how I can fix that up...
03:22<lupine>grub-install /path/to/device/file
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03:23<peej>ok, the old system is lilo based. I seem to recall that lilo (and grub presumably) do the magic boot stuff in some clever binary that you can copy with a dd
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03:24<peej>though since the drives are different sizes and partitioned differently, I'm not sure if that will be a good idea.
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03:25[~]peej rummages through docs
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03:29<peej>hmmm. OK, while the new drive is mounted, I can run lilo -r /mnt/newdrive , which does a chrootlike lilo run on the new drive
03:29<manufactured_love>fake
03:29<manufactured_love>fake
03:29<manufactured_love>fake
03:30<manufactured_love>like ronaldo
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03:30<peej>which is what the grub-install /path/to/device/file is analogous to
03:30<peej>thanks lupin
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03:31<peej>one day I may even understand what I am doing
03:32<Supaplex>(hd0) is usually the wise choice.
03:32<deb____>ok.... it is true that my fingernails are better
03:32<Supaplex>deb____: do you have a debian question?
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03:33<deb____>ecclesiastes 1:8: don't feed the trolls
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03:34<Supaplex>speaking of which
03:34<Supaplex>!ops deb____ oh look, trolls/clones
03:34<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: deb____ oh look, trolls/clones
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03:50<benelux>you know why can't we live in a truely free society?
03:51<benelux>what we need is technologies like linux
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03:51<benelux>although my machine may be a zombie
03:51<benelux>being outspoken is dangerous
03:52<benelux>sad
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03:52<@Ganneff>benelux: do you have anything to say thats ontopic?
03:52<@Ganneff>deb________: if not - please stop
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03:55<streuner>!politics
03:55<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.]
03:55<streuner>*cough* ;-)
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03:56<@Ganneff>zobel: thank you to ban all of tor with that.
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04:03<niru>how can i install toshiba printer on to my debian machine
04:03<niru>I am able to see only hp and other manufacturers
04:03<niru>in rpinter configuration
04:04<jm_>install foomatic
04:04<zobel>Ganneff: ups. sorry. i really should adjust my scripts.
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04:07<vapor210>i expect to get ignored, as i am not sure if this is an apporpriate forum to ask this question.. but to date is there any way to quantify a good operating system.. i know with this being a Debian IRC chat room i expect many to say that debian is the best operating system.. but i just wanted to explore a well rounded answer
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04:08<niru>jm_, I have foomatic-db,foomatic-filters-ppds alreasdy installed
04:08<sheldonh>vapor210: if you can quantify your requirements, the answer is yes, you can quantify a good operating system (and even compare them). but it's a time consuming exercise, which is why people get dogmatic about it
04:09<niru>jm_, what else I need to install
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04:10<vapor210>ohh ok.. fair enough.. are there a universal set of criteria
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04:12<jm_>niru: nothing, foomatic-db has Toshiba drivers
04:12<niru>jm_, but why I am unable to see the toshiba name in manufactuirer list
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04:12<freedom_bear>vapor210, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_operating_systems
04:13<niru>jm_, to add HQ and TVS
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04:13<jm_>niru: it works just fine for me - how are you doing this?
04:14<vapor210>thank you very much freedom_bear it will take me some time to sort through.. but thank you for the resource
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04:15<sheldonh>vapor210: sure. there's always the performance of your specific application on the os. typically, the performance question is "does this os give me enough" rather than "does this os give me the most". then there's the release cycle (do you require a long-lived stable base or the latest features?). specific hardware support is often a requirement. lead time and application time for security updates. support (community and/or commercial), particularly
04:15<sheldonh>os is respected by the communities (or companies) that support the applications that you're using. those are pretty universal. obviously, there'll be others
04:16<vapor210>so.. a measure of an OS is how well accepted it is by hardware and software developers?
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04:16<niru>jm_, I am going to printer configuration
04:16<niru>adding a new printer
04:16<jm_>niru: where/how?
04:16<niru>selection network printing opption
04:16<niru>and typing some ip
04:16<niru>which when clicked on next gives the manufacturers name
04:17<niru>system->administration->printer conf,
04:17<jm_>niru: use cups web admin interface
04:17<sheldonh>vapor210: that's certainly _a_ measure. again, you have to start by quantifying the importance of that measure as a _requirement_ first
04:17<sheldonh>vapor210: quantifying solutions without quantifying problems is a waste of time :)
04:17<vapor210>ohh ok
04:18<vapor210>fiar enought.. but my problem is .. i dont have all the necessary background info to assess the problem in the first place
04:18<niru>jm_, how to do that
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04:18<sheldonh>vapor210: for example, i'm involved in a project where the os's ability to support a broad range of hardware is meaningless. we just have to find one hardware build that works well, and we're off
04:18<jm_>niru: read /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.txt.gz
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04:19<sheldonh>vapor210: but for other projects, broad hw support is a major requirement
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04:19<johnon>in Samba who is client?computer with linux system or computer with windows system??
04:19<sheldonh>vapor210: indeed. you'll either do the best you can, or hire someone with more experience to assist you
04:19<jm_>johnon: it can be both of course
04:20<vapor210>ohh ok..
04:20<sheldonh>vapor210: but you may get something for free by discussing your specific application with others, and hearing what considerations they think are important
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04:21<johnon>jm_:i don't understand, i would like to use SMB protocol, when i specify which computer is file server??
04:21<vapor210>i am involved in a computational project, so resource management within the system is important to me .
04:21<jm_>johnon: I don't understand your question
04:21<sheldonh>vapor210: i never would have guessed that your questions about operating systems arose out of a computational project ;)
04:22<johnon>jm_:so maybe could you give me a simple answer for beginner: what is samba?
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04:22<sheldonh>johnon: see the first paragraph at: http://www.samba.org/
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04:22<niru>jm_, cupsys is installed but I dont have any /usr/share/doc/cupsys folder
04:23<jm_>niru: which version of Debian is this?
04:23<sheldonh>johnon: from that paragraph, you'll see that samba is usually the server, and that linux and windows hosts are usually the client
04:23<niru>jm_, latest one
04:23<jm_>niru: ohh and that's normal - there are no folders on Linux filesystems
04:23<jm_>niru: unstable or what?
04:23<niru>jm_, yes unstable
04:24<jm_>niru: I doubt that, according to p.d.o it still has /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.txt.gz
04:24<vapor210>the work i do deals with modeling antenna systems and image processing .. so the work i do requires some computing power .. i have used many operating systems and have found those of the unix family work well (IE dont crash under heavy load) .. i wanted to see what else is out there
04:25<vapor210>i know i am very ignorant .. so i am trying to change that .. atleast a little bit
04:25<johnon>sheldonh:ok thank you but i don't understand:)
04:25<sheldonh>vapor210: strong support for SMP required?
04:25<vapor210>yes
04:25<sheldonh>vapor210: okay, so you already know you need to go amd opteron :)
04:25<vapor210>i have 2 OPTERON 265
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04:29<vapor210>suffice it to say i have tried windows, freebsd, and various flavors of linux .. i dont have enought background knowledge to tweak them to optimize performance .. which is also a reason for me being in this IRC chat room
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04:33<sheldonh>vapor210: my rule of thumb (flying in the face of what i've said so far)... if you need wintendo support, use windows 200x or xp on intel. otherwise, if you need crazy network performance, use freebsd (but wait for 7.0 if you can) on amd64. otherwise, use debian on amd64
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04:34<sheldonh>vapor210: but i can think of many, many situations in which the above could prove disastrous advice
04:34<niru>jm_, r u there
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04:35<vapor210>so i guess i should try to quantify what i want in an OS
04:35<vapor210>then work through and come to a decision
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04:36<vapor210>one of the problems i have is distinguishing .. a limitation of the OS or the inability of the user to tap into its potential
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04:39<jm_>niru: yes
04:40<sheldonh>vapor210: ja. something you should take out of my response is that i'm recognizing that what you're trying to do isn't easy
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04:42<niru>jm_, jm_ http://localhost:631/printers/
04:42<sheldonh>vapor210: it may be prudent to allow your access to gurus to influence your decision heavily. so if you know some heavyweight <some-os>-heads who you can phone, that may be the way to go
04:42<vapor210>i know.. and it sounds liek a task best left to a computer scientist .. i unfortunately am not one of those
04:42<vapor210>good point
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04:45<Aciid>hey, how i can change mouse button 3, behavior in iceweasel
04:45<jm_>niru: yes
04:45<Aciid>it tryes to paste last link every time i try to use mouse button 3 to scroll
04:45<sheldonh>vapor210: for me, linux has proven a great one-size-fits-all solution, because of its ubiquity. it isn't "the best" for a lot of stuff i do, but it's "good enough" for almost all of it
04:45<Vakio>Aciid: about:config (or whatever it's called).
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04:46<Aciid>Vakio: oh yea its there "middlemouse"
04:46<Aciid>Thx
04:46<Vakio>Aciid: np.
04:46<sheldonh>vapor210: and of the linux distros available, debian has proven best for my company, given that i need low management overhead, upgrade stability, broad hardware support, broad application support and good community support
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04:47<giulio>giorno a tutti
04:48<Aciid>ok second question. Why do pages load as blanks?
04:48[~]sheldonh toys with the idea of null-routing china
04:48<giulio>??
04:48<Aciid>Ive tryed refresh and cache cleaning, but dosnt help
04:48<sheldonh>i'm pretty sure none of my customers would notice, and i could sure do without the penetration attempts
04:49<Vakio>sheldonh: reverse wall of China?
04:49<vapor210>yeah
04:49<giulio>qualche italiano che mi aiuta?
04:49<sheldonh>Vakio: haha
04:49<witte>!it
04:49<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
04:49<giulio>ok grazie
04:50<Aciid>!fi
04:50<dpkg>i heard fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi
04:50<Vakio>Aciid: on all pages?
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04:50<Vakio>Aciid: do other browsers work?
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04:50<Aciid>Vakio, well almost everyhing expect google.co
04:51<Aciid>Vakio, only konqueror is working without any errors
04:51<Aciid>*google.com
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04:51<Vakio>Aciid: are you using a proxy?
04:52<Aciid>Vakio, no all settings are defaults. and there is no firewall restricting the access
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04:53<Vakio>Hm. Strange. Can't think of anything right now.
04:53<Aciid>Im trying to go to "http://debian.org" title says "Debian -- The univer." but page is still google.com
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04:53<Aciid>yea this is kinda weird, I havent found any solutions from newsgroups neither forums
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04:54<Aciid>Ill try to install firefox 2.0.0.7 from source, dunno will it be any better
04:56<jm_>fetch the same page with wget, see if it works
04:57<Aciid>jm__: well that works
04:57<Aciid>so the server has no errors
04:58<Aciid>No it doesnt work :S
04:58<Aciid>I opened the page in iceweasel and the page is blank and locked
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04:59<jm_>so iceweasel is unlikely to be the reason for this
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05:00<Aciid>jm_: ill remove it with apt-get
05:00<jm_>Aciid: what will that solve?
05:00<dli>Aciid, which page? I can try it with firefox 2.0.0.7
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05:02<Aciid>http://debian.org
05:02<Aciid>ok even stranger, i removed iceweasel completely.
05:02<lubos>does anyone use a fluxbox window manager on debian? is it possible to create shortcut on the desktop?
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05:03<Vakio>lubos: there's some package that enables you to have icons.
05:03<Aciid>firefox works as firefox for root only. as my normal user its iceweasel :S
05:03<dli>lubos, I'm not sure, but you may be able to run custom nautilus to get icons :)
05:04<Vakio>lubos: fbdesk - desktop icons for fluxbox window manager
05:05<lubos>Vakio: thanks man...
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05:06<Vakio>lubos: np.
05:06<Aciid>got it to work
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05:06<Aciid>Removed iceweasel completely and installed firefox
05:06<Aciid>Steps i made http://pastebin.com/m4588bad9
05:07<Aciid>And debian.org works now for me \o/
05:08<Vakio>Aciid: would you like to try iceweasel again and see if it works?
05:08<Vakio>Aciid: and maybe report a bug if it doesn't.
05:08<Aciid>Vakio: well i need to remove firefox then but yeah that sounds reasoneable
05:10<Aciid>well now everything works on iceweasel aswell
05:10<Aciid>strange shit
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05:58<StringZzZ>What does No candidate version found for libssh2-0
05:59<StringZzZ>When I've aptitude searched it, and it says it's in the repos
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06:00<StringZzZ>Anyone know?
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06:02<themill>StringZzZ: it's only in lenny.
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06:02<StringZzZ>I'm running Etch, or should be
06:03<StringZzZ>Something wrong with my sources.list?
06:03<themill>that's why there's no candidate ;)
06:03<themill>What are you trying to do?
06:03<StringZzZ>Just trying to install libssh2-0
06:03<themill>(your sources.list should be fine)
06:03<StringZzZ>Pretty sure I'm doing it from Etch repos as well
06:03<themill>But can you tell me *why* you're trying to install libssh2-0?
06:03<StringZzZ>rtorrent won't install without it
06:04<jm_>since when?
06:04<StringZzZ>I need to install rtorrent from unstable
06:04<dli>StringZzZ, try backport
06:04<themill>!tell StringZzZ about simple sid backport
06:04<dli>!tell StringZzZ about backport
06:04<jm_>I built it myself and it works fine on Etch
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06:05<StringZzZ>backports are too old
06:05<themill>You'll have to backport the libssh2-0 as well if it's needed. But I'd ask jm_ about what he did.
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06:05<themill>StringZzZ: read that botblurb again..... you rebuild the sid package under etch.
06:06<dli>StringZzZ, what do you mean too old? backport is just the source of the sid
06:06<StringZzZ>It doesn't work from sid
06:06<sheldonh>dli: um, usually backports are from testing, not unstable
06:06<StringZzZ>I just get an error saying it needs libssh2-0
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06:08<StringZzZ>So there's no way to install libssh2-0 then?
06:08<StringZzZ>As I say, it says it's on the Etch repository, but it just says it can't find a candidate version
06:08<themill>sheldonh: there's a difference between "doing your own backport" and what you find on backports.org
06:08<jm_>it isn't in Etch ...
06:09<StringZzZ>Is it in Sid?
06:09<themill>StringZzZ: you cannot just pull a single package like that from sid!
06:09<StringZzZ>Well how the smeg do I get it?
06:09<StringZzZ>Because rtorrent won't install without it
06:09<themill>StringZzZ: if you want to pull in the latest rtorrent that is in sid then you have to do the backport of rtorrent. And of any other packages it needs.
06:09<sheldonh>themill: in which case, backport isn't from any particular source :)
06:10<StringZzZ>How do I do a backport of rtorrent?
06:10<StringZzZ>Wouldn't that just install an old version?
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06:10<themill>StringZzZ: please read the botblurb on backports again.
06:10<StringZzZ>I have, I went to the site
06:11<StringZzZ>The version of rtorrent it talks about, is version 6
06:11<StringZzZ>Which is useless
06:11<themill>sheldonh: except that we had been explicitly talking about a "simple sid backport"
06:11<sheldonh>StringZzZ: backports are packages built for an older version of debian than the one for which the source package was intended
06:11<themill>!tell StringZzZ about simple sid backport
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06:12<sheldonh>themill: serves me right for entering the conversation halfway through
06:12<themill>:)
06:12<StringZzZ>I've tried installing it from sid
06:12<StringZzZ>It says I need libssh2-0
06:12<dli>StringZzZ, please read from the factoid :( instead of repeating
06:12<themill>StringZzZ: that's not following the instructions in that botblurb though, is it?
06:13<sheldonh>StringZzZ: you need to stop telling us what you've tried that isn't in line with the advice you've been given and start trying the advice you've been given
06:13<StringZzZ> If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs.
06:13<StringZzZ>I did that.
06:13<StringZzZ>How is that not following the advice?
06:13<sheldonh>interestingly, my apt-cache policy only sees libssh2-0 in testing
06:13<jm_>sid has old version of it, there's one waiting to be uploaded and you can grab it from http://debian.ghostbar.ath.cx/
06:14<sheldonh>StringZzZ: out of curiosity, what does the new version of rtorrent score you?
06:14<manphiz>seems libssh2 got removed recently
06:14<StringZzZ>Need it for bitmetv, as they've recently banned an older version
06:14<Vakio>StringZzZ: don't try.
06:14<StringZzZ>Don't try what?
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06:16<sheldonh>StringZzZ: the reason everyone thought you weren't taking the advice was that you said "i tried installing it from sid", which sounds more like apt-get install -t unstable rtorrent, which isn't what they were suggesting
06:17<StringZzZ>Well nothing seems to work
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06:17<Kebianizao>Hello
06:17<sheldonh>StringZzZ: basically, you got unlucky. the version of rtorrent in sid is broken at the moment, because libssh2-0 has been removed
06:17<Kebianizao>anyone could point me to the gtk+2.0 debian source repository?
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06:18<sheldonh>StringZzZ: take jm_'s advice and grab the source package from ghostbar
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06:18<dli>sheldonh, would libssh2-0 in testing do it?
06:18<sheldonh>dli: probably, if backported
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06:19<sheldonh>dli: the rtorrent in sid doesn't declare a versioned dependency
06:19<StringZzZ>Already tried grabbing the source package
06:19<StringZzZ>Won't compile
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06:19<dli>StringZzZ, add deb-src for testing, backport libssh2-0
06:19<StringZzZ>will try
06:20<dli>StringZzZ, you need libssh2-0-dev too
06:20<StringZzZ>Would it be the apt-get install -t command for that?
06:20<dli>StringZzZ, backport both
06:20<StringZzZ>Is that apt-get build-dep etc?
06:21<themill>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443424
06:22<sheldonh>what's a binNMU?
06:22<dli>StringZzZ, yes
06:22<sheldonh>StringZzZ: i recommend that you just wait a few days and then try the simple sid backport again :)
06:23<StringZzZ>Yeh I'm thinking that
06:23<StringZzZ>After a few days
06:23<StringZzZ>Do you think it might be as simple as going aptitude install -t unstable rtorrent?
06:23<jm_>no
06:24<StringZzZ>How come?
06:24<jm_>you have completely ignored everything people told you in last 15 minutes
06:24<StringZzZ>No... I'm just asking is all
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06:25<sheldonh>StringZzZ: see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port
06:25<Vakio>sheldonh: a non-maintaner upload built from the same source package, methinks. (IANADD)
06:25<sheldonh>StringZzZ: pay particular attention to the sentence that contains the word "massive" :)
06:26<sheldonh>ianadd. haha :)
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06:26<StringZzZ>If you accidentally cause a massive package upgrade
06:26<StringZzZ>How would you downgrade back to having most of your packages at Etch?
06:27<dli>!tell StringZzZ about downgrade
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06:29<StringZzZ>Is it likely that a massive upgrade as mentioned would cause many problems?
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06:30<sheldonh>StringZzZ: depends on your idea of a problem. if you're running stable for any particular reason, the answer is probably yes :)
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08:50<schoappied>hi, just did a install of Debian etch, how can I mount my dvd player?
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08:52<padski>schoappied: from the shell with something like "mount /dev/cdrom0" (if htat doesn't work check your /etc/fstab). on kde a box pops up and offers you options when new media is detected.
08:53<padski>schoappied: sorry I meant: mount /media/cdrom0
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08:54<schoappied>padski: thanks, no detection of kde :/
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08:54<schoappied>I will try
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08:54<padski>schoappied: huh? kde is a desktop option. a gui. porbably gnome does something similar, but I don't know.
08:55<padski>the bot here has this to say ...
08:55<padski>!cdrom
08:55<dpkg>well, cdrom is To mount a cdrom do mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom, or "see cd-rom", or 'grep hd /var/log/dmesg' 'ln -s /dev/hd{a,b,c,d} /dev/cdrom', or created with http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/mkdevcdrom.sh, or are managed with apt-cdrom.
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08:58<padski>I liked my version better :-)
08:59<themill>schoappied: iirc, install hal-volume-manager and pmount will do it for you under kde....
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09:00<padski>themill: Couldn't find package hal-volume-manager
09:00<padski>themill: hal-device-manager ?
09:01<themill>umm... yeah, sorry.. working from memory ;)
09:01<padski>themill: nice tip though, look like useful programs :-)
09:02<themill>yeah... they're the backbone of the automounting system, although I think there is a movement away from pmount too. I can't keep up with this stuff these days.
09:04<padski>themill: I confess I last really tried to make automount work about 10 years ago :-)
09:06<themill>probably actually using automount, in fact... yeah, been there :(
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09:10<schoappied>themill: thanks
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09:10<themill>schoappied: did that work for you?
09:10<schoappied>I'll try now ;)
09:11<themill>ok -- pls let me know. I did it on my desktop sufficiently long ago that I can't remember exactly what I did but the question comes up often enough that it would be good to nail it down.
09:11<Jimix>test :@
09:12<padski>now I look I see htat I have pmount installed. something gui must have dragged it in. I dont have the hal bit though.
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09:13<themill>padski: kdebase and gnome-volume-manager both pull in pmount
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09:14<padski>themill: I probably have both on here :-)
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09:35<chantanito>hi
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09:36<chantanito>i need some help please....
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09:36<lupine>!help
09:36<lupine>lol, fail
09:36<chantanito>i'm using gParted and get the following error...
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09:37<themill>!paste
09:37<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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09:37<chantanito>yeah i know...no fludding
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09:38<chantanito>http://paste.debian.net/37878
09:38<chantanito>here it is :)
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09:38<lupine>fail ntfsresize is fail
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09:39<chantanito>hi lupine...
09:39<lupine>the partitioner is hitting the wrong partition
09:39<stark>info about bot
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09:39<stark>where can i find info about irc bot
09:40<stark>rtfm irc bot
09:40<stark>hm :(
09:40<lupine>stark: you can molest dpkg in private
09:40<Jasons>!blootbot
09:40<dpkg>it has been said that blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support.
09:40<dlx>i want to resize the /var filesystem with lvm but i can't unmount it because it's in use, how do i do that then?
09:40<stark>thanks
09:40<lupine>dlx: boot from a live cd, make the required changes, boot back into main system
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09:40<lupine>or unmount /var, make the changes, remount. But that would probably break things.
09:40<dlx>i see...thx
09:40<chantanito>lupine: so what do you recommed me?
09:41<dlx>well i can't unmount, the device is busy...
09:41<chantanito>what can i do?
09:41<lupine>chantanito: try doing it yourself, rather than using gparted ?
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09:41<chantanito>lupine: any suggestion?
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09:41<lupine>ntfsresize, followed by [c]fdisk
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09:42<chantanito>lupine: the error exactly says, /dev/sda5 instead of /dev/
09:43<gsimmons_>dlx: You would need to terminate the processes currently using files/sockets on /var.
09:44<dlx>yes, but those are syslogd acpid cron and dhclient3, is that safe?
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09:47<chantanito>lupine: how do i do that? i mean, the ntfsresize...?
09:47<chantanito>lupine: using the Gparted CD?
09:48<gsimmons_>dlx: Do you currently have /var within a logical volume?
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09:48<user1-000-000>hi, could anyone tell me why after compiling a new kernel, there is no /dev/ppp0?
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09:49<gengis65>ciao
09:49<gengis65>!list
09:49<dpkg>one warez list being sent to gengis65
09:50<zambba>!mpaa
09:50<dpkg>rumour has it, mpaa is Motion Picture Association of America, the evil sons of b*tches that are trying to make DVD a win32 and MacOS only product., but they are so stupid as to have their 'trade secret' available in public court records
09:51<gsimmons_>dlx: No private messages, please. Are you increasing or decreasing the space within this volume?
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09:51<dlx>i want to increase it
09:51<gsimmons_>dlx: Are you using ext3 as the filesystem?
09:52<dlx>yes
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09:53<dlx>i you're suggesting to do it online, i've tried that and it works, but would you recommend that for a production system? is it safe?
09:54<lupine>online resize of ext3 is safe
09:54<gsimmons_>dlx: It works for me just fine. But if you've tried it and it works, why are you still asking? :)
09:54<lupine>chantanito: man <command>
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09:54<lupine>pay attention to the numbers; it's all pretty simple. I've never used the gparted cd, though
09:54<dlx>well because i'm worried about my data, so thx for your assurance :)
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09:56<chantanito>lupine: thanks..
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10:22<user1-000-000>hello could smomeone tell what i need in .config for /dev/ppp0?
10:23<padski>user1-000-000: huh ?
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10:26<themill>user1-000-000: CONFIG_PPP (and the module is ppp)
10:26<themill>grep -i ppp /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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10:43<rmaj>hello
10:43<rmaj>when running sysprof I get error about missing so librarry
10:44<rmaj>$ sysprof
10:44<rmaj>sysprof: error while loading shared libraries: libbfd-2.17.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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10:44<rmaj>what can be done about this issue?
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10:46<padski>rmaj: how did you install sysprof ?
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10:48<rmaj>padski: aptitude install sysprof
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10:54<dlx>i've got a strange http request in the access.log: "CONNECT 64.62.190.36:6667" same with POST, what does this guy try to do?
10:54<weasel>try to verify that you are no open proxy.
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10:55<dlx>how would i do that?
10:55<weasel>it tries to verify that you are no open proxy
10:55<weasel>the fact that you are still here means it's ok.
10:55<dlx>but i don't see how this could be since i'm behind a firewall and the only open ports are 80 and 443
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10:56<padski>rmaj: libbfd is in the binutils package, but obviously you should have it. I would suggest you try to figure out why it is broken, but doing a reinstall on binutils may "fix" it.
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10:58<rmaj>padski: I reinstalled binutils, didn't help. Is it a bug in dependencies or something? debian testing
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10:59<cahoot>rmaj, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=439272
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10:59<padski>rmaj: let's forget about the package management system for the moment and try to understand what is going on ...
10:59<padski>rmaj: is there any libbfd files in /usr/lib/
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10:59<padski>rmaj: and what says: ldconfig -p | grep bfd
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11:01<rmaj>padski: libbfd-2.18.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libbfd-2.18.so
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11:01<padski>cahoot, rmaj: sorry, didn't see that, nice one :-)
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11:01<padski>rmaj: I would imagine you could just rebuild sysprof then.
11:02<rmaj>padski: aptitude source sysprof and then make install?
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11:02<padski>rmaj: I would do apt-get build-dep sysprof && apt-get -b source sysprof
11:02<rmaj>wow this bug is a month old? will it be fix soon then?
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11:03<padski>rmaj: I recommend apt-listbugs
11:03<user1-000-000>themill: i have all the relevant modules in the kernel, but for some reason there is no power going to my modem speedtouch 330 rv4, the modem works fine in 2.6.18 i'm using it now
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11:03<padski>rmaj: the maintainer doesn't appear to have responded to the bug report, I have no other insight
11:04<rmaj>hmm so there is only 1 person that can fix the bug / is responsible?
11:04<user1-000-000>themill: no /dev/ppp0?
11:04<padski>rmaj: no this must be NMUable
11:04<padski>rmaj: IANADD
11:05<themill>user1-000-000: you're better off asking questions of the entire channel not just me -- you're lucky I'm still online. For a device like that, it's not going to be the ppp config but the device config.
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11:06<themill>user1-000-000: what kernel are you trying to upgrade to?
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11:09<user1-000-000>themill: 2.6.22.7
11:09<ptr>Hey all. Anybody know of a way to grow loop-mounted filesystems online?
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11:10<padski>ptr: does it not just work ?
11:10<themill>user1-000-000: and I take it you're running i686 on etch?
11:10<user1-000-000>amd64 etch
11:10<ptr>padski: sadly, no. The device still behaves as if it's the same size
11:10<ptr>even if the underlying file grows
11:11<themill>user1-000-000: the 2.6.22 kernel for amd64 is in backports.org ... save trying to compile your own ;)
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11:11<padski>ptr: build an lvm on top of your loop devices :-)
11:11<ptr>haha, neat idea
11:11<user1-000-000>themill: yeah i'll try that
11:11<user1-000-000>thanx
11:11<themill>np. good luck :)
11:11<ptr>ah, layering
11:12<ptr>padski: thankee
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11:12<padski>ptr: might work. as long as its not a corner case :-
11:12[~]ptr tries
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11:16<padski>ptr: will the loop device use holes on the filesystem anyway ? would it be a big cost to setup a huge empty file ?
11:16<padski>ptr: seems this question is faq, and the std answer is no you can't, you have to redo the losetup
11:17<ptr>oooooh.... That I don't know, perhaps not
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11:17<ptr>well, lvm seems to work, so thankee!
11:17<padski>ptr: yeah, I have a feeling not. ISTR having to dd zeros into the file.
11:17<ptr>sparsity, however... also a possibility, and one I hadn't considered
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11:17<padski>ptr: cool :-)
11:18<ptr>padski: err.... am a noob. How does one create a large sparse file? I've just been, as you say, dd'ing /dev/zero
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11:18<ptr>I suppose I could just write a tool to do it
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11:18<ptr>matter of fact, lemme do that.
11:19<padski>ptr: you seek :-)
11:19<ptr>indeed
11:20<padski>ptr: so something like dd seek=<bignum> count=1 if=/dev/zero
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11:20<ptr>well, I feel silly.... I already had vi open on seeker.c
11:20<padski>ptr: that's if I recall correctly, but it shouldn't be hard to check.
11:20<ptr>yep
11:20<rmaj>how long it takes typically to fix some important bug in a testing in some appl?
11:20<ptr>thanks again
11:21<padski>ptr: its been fun :-)
11:21<rmaj>(how much time between upstream fixes it and users can download it)
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11:22<padski>rmaj: I think someone must keep/publish stats on that, but I don't know where. a month seems like quite a long time, but then I am not offereing the patch or fix :-)
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11:24<padski>ptr: I'm seeing stuff that suggests that maybe sparse loop works now (but didn't in 1996, last time I looked :-)
11:25<ptr>haha
11:25<ptr>nice.
11:25<ptr>And it does :^)
11:25<ptr>least, so it seems
11:25<ptr>Thanks again for all your help. I'm out :^)
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11:34<padski>rmaj: not exactly what you asked, but interesting nevertheless: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and http://master.debian.org/~ajt/graph.png
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11:46<padski>rmaj: there are some numbers on time-to-fix from a security perspective at http://people.debian.org/~jfs
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11:47<rmaj>padski: thanks
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11:49<padski>rmaj: your welcome. sorry I couldn't come up with nothing more germane, but I think the truth is that you would need to factor in several other things such as maintainer, package popularity and type of bug before you could get anywhere near interesting numbers (although if one were to there might well be some value there)
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12:10<chuy_max>I just connected a serial printer to my only serial port, what device should be created under /dev ?
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12:11<Supaplex>ttyS0?
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12:20[~]dkr wonders why cool articles like this aren't in the main debian wiki http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/MaintainerScripts
12:21<dkr>segregating content on the basis of the gender of the author seems pretty weird
12:21<lupine_85>well, it's part of an evil plot by the male-dominated Debian management
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12:22<lupine_85>by segregating the female portion of the contributers into their own small section of Debian, marginalisation becomes much easier
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12:24<aminorex>the women segregate themselves into the margin, because all the value and leverage is in the margin
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12:28<dkr>maybe we could just make the wiki search feature search all wikis in debian.org domain. :)
12:28<StarFire>Good Evening
12:28[~]fxiny wonders why rizla put the glue on the margin
12:28<StarFire>any programmers here?
12:28<njende>dkr: would be nice ;)
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12:31<StarFire>Which library do i have to link if I use <semaphore.h> in my program
12:31<StarFire>?
12:32<dkr>njende: my kludgy method of doing so for now: prepend site:debian.org wiki to google search :)
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12:33<fxiny>oh : nice tutorials
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12:35[~]dkr snickers at http://wiki.debian.org/ZombieMaintainer
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12:39<fxiny>a slum lord ? hahahah
12:39<ErJeDi>hi
12:39<ErJeDi>hi fxiny :)
12:39<fxiny>ErJeDi: hi ergy
12:39<ErJeDi>ErJeDi: fxiny ErJeDi
12:40<ErJeDi>:)
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12:40<fxiny>ok ok
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12:41<fxiny>but ergy is not that bad :P
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12:45<fxiny>proposal ? "LetUbuntuReleaseForUS" hahahahah
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12:46<fxiny>i'll give the link to the next ubu t-maker coming in
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12:49<Eulex>fxiny, you mean, like, LetUbuntuBreakOurRelease?
12:50<fxiny>Eulex: YES ! heheheh i'm reading it :)
12:50<fxiny>Eulex: hold on ! where is that one ?
12:50<fxiny>please please :)
12:50<Eulex>I'm just kidding :)
12:51<fxiny>Eulex: :)
12:51<fxiny>this is a funny wiki
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12:52<Eulex>DropStableJustUseTesting xD
12:53<Eulex>that's like RuinOurReputation
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12:56<fxiny>hahahahah "The core of this idea is to stop making stable releases" heheheeh
12:57<fxiny>PermanentFreeze :))
12:58<fxiny>but that's no funny at all !
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13:01<faust>Hi there! Does anyone know how to make the fonts smaller/nicer again in Gnome? I guess it's due to 2.20 transition in sid, but still it's not too nice :-)
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13:03<cahoot>faust, wrong dpi?
13:03<kdean06>I did a dist-upgrade yesterday morning and it "broke" my fonts, namely they're much larger now that they were yesterday, and they're ugly. It seems as if every application other than Iceweasel was affected. Is there any known cause for this, and a fix other than manually re-adjusting all of my fonts?
13:03<hachi>hi, what's the necessary steps to get debian (testing/unstable) to detect wire plug/unplug events on my gigE network port on my laptop?
13:03<faust>cahoot: might be - any idea how to change that?
13:03<faust>cahoot: so I guess it's an X problem, not gnome?
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13:04<cahoot>faust, one way is the font tool in gnome
13:04<hachi>I've got allow-hotplug wired, but that only seems to apply at system startup/shutdown, there doesn't appear to be a udev event fired when a wire is plugged/unpluged?
13:04<cahoot>faust, xdpyinfo can tell you what dpi is set to
13:05<blarson>hachi: hotplug fires when the device is plugged, not the wire. It works fine on my cardbus ethernet card.
13:05<hachi>yeah, I don't need that
13:05<hachi>I want to know what package does the wire plug detection
13:05<faust>cahoot: You mean this: resolution: 125x125 dots per inch?
13:05<blarson>hachi: There are a couple, but I don't use any myself.
13:05<cahoot>right
13:06<faust>cahoot: strange, Xorg.0.log reports intel(0): DPI set to (75, 75)
13:06<faust>cahoot: gnome System->Preferences->Appearance->Fonts->Details (or something like this) also says that it's with 125 dpi
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13:06<hachi>blarson: is there a better way I can ask for this?
13:07<cahoot>faust, ok out of ideas
13:07<faust>cahoot: k, thanks nevertheless, seems like I'm not the only one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/107320
13:07<faust>(OK, it's ubuntu, bit still...)
13:08<cahoot>faust, see if disabling ddc helps
13:08<cahoot>in xorg.conf
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13:10<faust>be right back (restart X)
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13:12<themill>hachi: ifplugd
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13:43<hachi>themill: thanks! That sounds familiar, like I may have had it on a previous laptop
13:44<themill>hachi: ifplugd + guessnet is a powerful combination; else networkmanager can do most of it for you too, I think
13:44<hachi>guessnet? I'll look at that
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14:19<isuckatlinux>how do i create a new initramfs for my second kernel
14:20<mario>Hi. I am missing a few mail.log files. I have jan,feb,mar and then jump to july. Could this be due to a change in the log rotation? the last ones are in order: 1.gz 2.gz 3.gz etc.
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14:29<ptr>apt-get moo
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14:35<Requiem>How would I compile a source package into a .deb file?
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14:37<isuckatlinux>its easy, u'll find it in here http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html
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14:39<ifvoid>or the new maintainers guide
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14:41<isuckatlinux>yeah but that is to much reading
14:42<lupine_85>dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
14:42<lupine_85>ftw
14:42<user1-000-000>Requiem: you could use checkinstall
14:42<isuckatlinux>checkinstall fails a lot
14:42<lupine_85>(extract the source package, cd into the directory, then run that command)
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14:43<isuckatlinux>are debian ramfs created using cpio?
14:43<lupine_85>yep
14:44<lupine_85>update-initramfs if you need a new one (or mkinitramfs)
14:44<isuckatlinux>i built a second kernel, when i dpgk -i it created the ramfs, but somehow its failing, cause when i boot with that kernel
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14:45<isuckatlinux>after waiting like 5 minutes, i get an alert saying that it couldnt find my /dev/sda1 partition
14:45<isuckatlinux>and put me in a busybox or something like that
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14:48<dli>isuckatlinux, custom kernel doesn't require initrd, just build in chipset/fs drivers
14:48<lupine_85>depends on how it's done ;)
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14:48[~]lupine_85 generally prefers modules
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14:49<isuckatlinux>i built the kernel with modules
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14:49<lupine_85>by the sounds of it, you've missed one (or several) that you need
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14:49<isuckatlinux>i built the kernel with modules
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15:05<isuckatlinux>can someone translate this http://pastebin.com/m7f08e936
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15:06<hannes___>hey there
15:06<lupine_85>isuckatlinux: You're missing essential device files in your initramfs
15:07<isuckatlinux>how do i fix that
15:07<hannes___>does anybody know a ftp-server which supports directory-based quotas ? (tree-based quotas)
15:07<lupine_85>not a clue
15:07<Requiem>isuckatlinux: reinstall?
15:07<isuckatlinux>fuck, this is not supposed to be so hard
15:07<isuckatlinux>i built it 3 times already
15:08<Requiem>or else figure out what happened to sda1
15:08<lupine_85>actually, building kernels is the hardest thing to do
15:08<isuckatlinux>i guess i will decompress both initrd and see the difference
15:08<lupine_85> do you have udev installed?
15:08<Requiem>kernels are easy, hard is LFS
15:08<isuckatlinux>why 2.6.18 works and fails 2.6.22 with the same config
15:08<lupine_85> a lot changes between kernels
15:09<isuckatlinux>udev is there
15:09<lupine_85>you could always just install the kernel from unstable, which is a .22
15:09<isuckatlinux>yeah but since im kind of a newbie everyone tells me not to do it
15:09<Requiem>Installing from unstable is pretty easy
15:10<lupine_85>Just set unstable's pin priority < 600 and you're away
15:10<chealer>isuckatlinux: please watch your language
15:10<lupine_85>!pinning
15:10<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.
15:10<isuckatlinux>i always do
15:11<Requiem>backporting .22 was pretty easy for me
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15:11<Requiem>time consuming though, since it insisted on compiling every single architecture debian has available
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15:13<isuckatlinux>i just only care about the sony_laptop new module
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15:13<Requiem>!tell isuckatlinux about simple sid backports
15:13<isuckatlinux>but doesnt work with my current kernel
15:13<oskie>is there a simple way to combine chroot and su?
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15:14<lupine_85>oskie: su -c "chroot /path/to/chroot" ...
15:16<Requiem>wow... that fan gets loud when you push the processor...
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15:17<isuckatlinux>sony_laptop hasn't been backported
15:19<oskie>lupine_85: yeah only problem it needs a shell do run that
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15:20<oskie>lupine_85: well I guess that's necessary anyways...
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15:23<mashihabong>er..
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15:24<mashihabong>i need help with apache2 on debian lenny...
15:24<mashihabong>am i at the right place
15:24<mashihabong>?
15:24<qbit>yep
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15:25<mashihabong>I got a lot of messages "Attempt to serve directory:..."
15:25<mashihabong>for example,
15:25<mashihabong>I have /www
15:26<mashihabong>as my DocumentRoot
15:26<mashihabong>the setting is fine/
15:27<mashihabong>but the web browser always responds "[error] [client 129.97.193.253] Attempt to serve directory: /www/html/"
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15:29<mashihabong>i believe everything is set (permissions etc.) but I cannot access...
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15:31<mashihabong>any idea?
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15:32<jsaxton>Question: I want to replace the first 446 bytes in a file (~/hd.img) with the first 446 bytes in another file (xp.mbr). How would I go about doing this?
15:32<jsaxton>Right now, the only method I can think of is to write a small C program to perform the task, but there certainly must be a more elegant method
15:32<chealer>mashihabong: the web browser or the server?
15:33<hachi>dd if=xp.mbr of=~/hd.img bs=446 count=1
15:33<hachi>jsaxton: ^^
15:33<hachi>read the docs to make sure I did it as you intended, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you want
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15:34<jsaxton>The last time I did that it did not work properly. Rather than doing what I wanted it to do, it turned hd.img into a 446 byte file
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15:35<mashihabong>server
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15:35<jsaxton>correction, I did this: dd if=XP_MBR.bin of=xp.mbr bs=1 count=446
15:35<hachi>mmmm, sounds like you used a shell redirect instead of of=
15:35<jsaxton>whoops
15:35<jsaxton>you might be right
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15:41<jsaxton>nope, I definitely used of=
15:41<jsaxton>I just tried it again
15:41<jsaxton>same result
15:41<jsaxton>:-(
15:41<jsaxton>this is weird, I'll probably just write a small C program
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15:53<SuPeRKoO>hi everybody !
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15:54<SuPeRKoO>is there sameone ?
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15:54<SuPeRKoO>mmm *-)
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15:57<ptr>aptitude moo
15:57<lupine_85> nobody 'ere but us hicks
15:58<ptr>cryin' shame, there, wolf
15:59<ptr>this *is* the official #debian, right? Not the one on freenode?
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16:01<hachi>I'm pretty sure irc.debian.org points to oftc, do I'd say this is as official as you're gonna get
16:02<ptr>Why'd they make the change?
16:02<hachi>what change?
16:02<simonrvn>it does point here
16:02<ptr>it used to point to the one on freenode
16:02<ptr>which is still quite a bit larger.
16:02<ptr>not to mention businer
16:02<ptr>err, busier
16:02<simonrvn>it's just a CNAME...
16:02<ptr>yep
16:02<themill>!oftc move
16:02<dpkg>from memory, oftc move is irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006 [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
16:03<ptr>thanks, themill
16:03<simonrvn>woot woot themill
16:03<ptr>okie dokie
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16:03<themill>Hi simonrvn!
16:03<simonrvn>hey dude
16:03<hachi>simonrvn? the openldap guy?
16:03<simonrvn>where?
16:04<simonrvn>yes i hang out in freenode#ldap
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16:04<hachi>heh
16:04<hachi>hi, so do I :)
16:04<simonrvn>yeh, i knew i recognised the nick ;)
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16:06<f0rtune>is it possible to make debian a web based proxy?
16:07<f0rtune>like i want to connect to it from a different internet connection
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16:08<koollman>f0rtune: sure, you can install a web proxy on it
16:09<f0rtune>lookkman: like?
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16:09<f0rtune>koollman*
16:09<koollman>squid
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16:11<f0rtune>koollman: the internet object cache?
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16:12<jsaxton>hachi: I figured out what the problem was
16:12<jsaxton>I needed to supply the option conv=notrunc
16:13<jsaxton>I think that'll do the trick
16:13<jsaxton>It worked on my test text files
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16:26<PowerUser>is there a way to copy an entire folder in console?
16:26<lupine_85>cp -a
16:26<lupine_85>and they're directories, not folders
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16:27<Eulex>a folder is the graphical representation.
16:27<PowerUser>yeah Directories sorry
16:28<PowerUser>and now how do i give everyone access to the DIRECTORIE :P
16:28<PowerUser>chmod +x?
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16:28<lupine_85>a+r
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16:29<PowerUser>its an http dir.
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16:30<PowerUser>cant access it via internet says: You dont have persmission to access /bservice/index.html
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16:30<PowerUser>is there a way to give right to a Dir and all its contents?
16:31<PowerUser>so i dont have to allow every single files
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16:31<lupine_85>-r
16:31<lupine_85>also, man <command> is your friend
16:31<lupine_85>erm, -R
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16:31<f0rtune>how do i open ports with iptables?
16:32<jclinton>f0rtune: are you using a firewall script?
16:33<f0rtune>jclinton, i have firestarter
16:33<jclinton>are you using it?
16:33<f0rtune>yes
16:33<jclinton>then follow its instructions
16:33<jclinton>no iptables rule will be compatible with it
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16:34<jclinton>it establishes its own rule chains
16:34<f0rtune>well i can only add certain IP addresses to it, i cant tell it to specify what port
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16:35<jclinton>i don't know anything about firestarter
16:35<PowerUser>lupine_85, i just read man chmod your right chmod -R foldername
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16:35<fisxo1>I'm trying to install etch on a new computer, how do I get a base install without a whole set of CDs or a network connection?
16:35<PowerUser>but something is missing
16:35<jclinton>i would be shocked if it couldn't do ports
16:36<Eulex>f0rtune, yes you can.
16:36<blarson>fisxo1: Use the first CD.
16:36<f0rtune>Eulex: how
16:36<fisxo1>blarson: ty
16:36<Eulex>f0rtune, 'allow service'
16:37<Eulex>f0rtune, as opposed to 'allow connection from host'
16:38<f0rtune>Eulex: wheres that?
16:38<Eulex>f0rtune, the 'policy' tab.
16:39<f0rtune>Eulex, ya it says add rule, an IP, Host, or network
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16:40<Eulex>f0rtune, right. problem solved?
16:41<f0rtune>Eulex: so how do open certain ports with that?
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16:43<Eulex>f0rtune, ... you add a service at a specific port to be allowed? ingoing or outgoing, whichever you want. note that for outgoing stuff, you can choose between permissive by default and restrictive by default. only restrictive mode will give you an allow setting.
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16:47<Eulex>f0rtune, right-click in the right field, add rule, if that's the problem.
16:49<f0rtune>Eulex. thanks i got it
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16:57<fisxo1>the CD installer seems to want a network connection.... I don't have one to give it
16:58<lupine_85>unless it's the netinstall cd, you can just skip that step
16:58<lupine_85>it'll spend a while with dhcp then time out and go onto the next step
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17:03<mzhang>can't kill certain jobs by kill -9, what should I do?
17:03<klys>ps -H
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17:04<romanos_melodos>anyone here?
17:04<klys>yo
17:04<mzhang>klys: my jobs were run directly from shell.
17:05<klys>mzhang: you may have to kill the shell
17:05<romanos_melodos>was wondering if someone could point me to any compiled nvidia drivers for etch
17:05<klys>~nvidia
17:05<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:05<themill>!tell romanos_melodos about nvidia one liner
17:06<romanos_melodos>cheers
17:06<romanos_melodos>btw
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17:06<mzhang>klys: did not work.
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17:06<romanos_melodos>should i be using the 64bit version?
17:06<mzhang>dli: there?
17:06<klys>mzhang: are the process listed as with no parent?
17:06<klys>no man
17:06<themill>mzhang: what state are the processes in (ps ax)
17:06<romanos_melodos>i mean should i install the etch 32 bit version or the 64 one?
17:07<romanos_melodos>which comes more handy?
17:07<klys>32 bit
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17:07<romanos_melodos>ok
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17:07<mzhang>now, yes... pts/13 -> ?
17:07<themill>romanos_melodos: unless you have TB or ram, then probably the 32bit version. Makes flash and java etc easier
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17:07<mzhang>lyrs: S
17:07<mzhang>klys: S
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17:07<klys>mzhang: do they say zombie?
17:08<lupine_85>braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaainas
17:08<mzhang>klys: they say S, actually S from the beginning before I even tried to kill them.
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17:09<mzhang>klys: for example: ps ax: 22463 ? S 16:02 ../lanvec.x
17:09<klys>k
17:09<romanos_melodos>i did that one liner think but it says : Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-486
17:09<klys>so you do kill -9 22463 and it's still there
17:09<klys>is this a kernel process in any way?
17:09<mzhang>yes
17:10<romanos_melodos>any suggestions?
17:10<mzhang>it's not kernel process, actually it's my own scientific program.
17:10<themill>romanos_melodos: do you have non-free in your sources?
17:10<mzhang>kyls: it's not kernel process, actually it's my own scientific program.
17:10<romanos_melodos>the mill. no
17:10<romanos_melodos>can you remind me how to do that one please?
17:10<themill>mzhang: then a kill -9 should kill it....
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17:11<themill>!tell romanos_melodos about non-free sources
17:11<mzhang>themill: well... or it would take time? actually I saw two instances gone in 10 minutes... there were 20 of them.
17:11<romanos_melodos>cheers
17:11<f0rtune>anyone know of a better program than squid3 to make a web based proxy?
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17:13<themill>mzhang: is the same process (i.e. same process id) still around?
17:14<mzhang>themill: I first run killall, not much happened immediately, then I ran kill -9 individual processes, no response, but seems that killall gradually taking some of them out.
17:14<themill>mzhang: is your machine thrashing? is killall still running?
17:15<romanos_melodos>the mill: ive just added non free on my sources, still says : Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-486
17:15<mzhang>themill: killall returns to shell with no error messages.
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17:15<themill>romanos_melodos: did you run an apt-get update after changing your sources.list?
17:15<romanos_melodos>yes
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17:16<klys>mzhang: are you using the linux kernel? uname -r
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17:16<themill>romanos_melodos: are you running etch?
17:16<mzhang>2.4.26-om1
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17:16<mzhang>klys: 2.4.26-om1
17:16<romanos_melodos>affirmative
17:16<klys>ok I was just curious, it is linux
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17:17<mzhang>klys: yes it is...
17:17<lupine_85>woo, 2.4 kernel
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17:17<romanos_melodos>maybe i should try to add some more sources?
17:17<themill>romanos_melodos: what's your uname -r
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17:18<romanos_melodos>themill: whats that?
17:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 306] by debhelper
17:19<themill>run the command (it shows the kernel version)
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17:20<romanos_melodos>themill: 2.6.18-3-486
17:20<themill>ok, can you please pastebin your sources.list for me
17:20<themill>!paste
17:20<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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17:23<romanos_melodos>themill: http://rafb.net/p/Bxcpyd65.html
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17:23<themill>that doesn't look much like etch.... that's lenny....
17:24<romanos_melodos>?
17:24<romanos_melodos>whos lenny :P
17:24<romanos_melodos>ive been away from debian for a while
17:24<themill>!releases
17:24<dpkg>hmm... releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
17:24<lupine_85>lenny == testing
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17:24<themill>!lenny
17:24<dpkg>[lenny] the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny>
17:24<romanos_melodos>dunno what it is, but its fast
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17:25<romanos_melodos>i made the net install thing. how can i just tell it to install etch and not lenny?
17:25<lupine_85>you get the etch instal CD
17:25<lupine_85>install*
17:25<themill>hmm.... lenny is where the next release of debian is being slowly assembled. You generally don't want to be running it unless you have *really* good reasons to do so
17:25<themill>!netinstall
17:25<dpkg>it has been said that netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install.
17:26<romanos_melodos>yea
17:26<romanos_melodos>thats the one i used
17:26<romanos_melodos>but it installed lenny by its own will
17:26<lupine_85>meh, testing is fine... most of the time :)
17:26<themill>romanos_melodos: did you change the "etch" to "lenny" in that sources.list at some stage?
17:26<romanos_melodos>nop
17:26<themill>lupine_85: yes, if you know how to unbreak things...
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17:27<romanos_melodos>so what do you suggest me to do now..
17:27<romanos_melodos>should i reinstall etch?
17:28<themill>romanos_melodos: that would probably be your best move unless such a reinstall is particularly painful
17:28<themill>(e.g. if your hardware is poorly supported by etch)
17:28<romanos_melodos>my hardware is just fine with etch
17:28[~]klys recommends: unstable
17:29<romanos_melodos>the thing is that i dont know how to get etch this time and not lenny
17:29<romanos_melodos>there was nothing during the installation stating that
17:29<themill>do you have the iso image still kicking around?
17:29<romanos_melodos>ye
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17:30<themill>what's the filename of md5sum *.iso
17:30<romanos_melodos>no idea where exactly it is right now..
17:30<romanos_melodos>im sorry
17:31<romanos_melodos>ive downloaded it bout 6 months ago
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17:31<klys>romanos_melados: you should probably just build the kernel yourself or get the kernel from any available dist. it would still be compatible anyway with lenny
17:31<romanos_melodos>nah
17:32<klys>ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-kernel-2.6.2?.tar.bz2
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17:32<themill>ok.... etch was released in April. The current netinst is debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/
17:32<romanos_melodos>way too much hassle right now, how can i just install etch using a common net install disc?
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17:32<themill>klys: what are you on?
17:32<klys>compile linux: you'll see all the available drivers and get a feel for what linux is.
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17:34<romanos_melodos>themill: r u sure that will just download etch and not lenny?
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17:35<themill>yes, that's the etch netinst.
17:35<romanos_melodos>ive used that disc bout 2 months ago and it installed etch, how the heck did i came up with lenny now?
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17:35<themill>didn't also grab a lenny netinst while you were at it, did you?
17:36<romanos_melodos>dont think so..
17:36<klys>romanos_melados: the nvidi installer requires the package you've been asking about because it intends to recompile linux for you. it doesn't matter if you downgrade to stable just to get out of the hassle of recompiling linux, you're still going to do it
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17:38<themill>klys: ther's no point in tracking testing forever just to save 30min of doing a reinstall. Most people just want to work with their computer (i.e. run stable) not work _on_ their computers (i.e. run testing or sid).
17:38<romanos_melodos>dunno mate, ive installed etch on my laptop and it works great ive also just used a precompiled nvidia binary and everything went roses
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17:40<romanos_melodos>themill: ill have another go with the netinstall disc youve just point me at..
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17:40<themill>ok. Happy hunting :)
17:40<themill>if you want to stay with lenny, then /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch
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17:41<bzed>and i've you had the nvidia binary shit installed - removed it first
17:41<romanos_melodos>what i really didnt understand is how the hell did i wind up with lenny instead of etch.. im sure thats the same disc ive used on my laptop..
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17:42<romanos_melodos>maybe when it connects to the server it just downloads the latest release?
17:42<amphi>romanos_melodos: maybe it's from when etch was 'testing'?
17:42<romanos_melodos>could be..
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17:43<klys>romanos_melados: to downgrade, all you may need to do is downgrade libc6 to etch's. if there is much failure you'll know what you did it for.
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17:44<romanos_melodos>klys: ive no idea what you're talkin bout mate :)
17:44<lupine_85>...!downgrade
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17:44<lupine_85>d'oh
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17:44<lupine_85>downgrading isn't generally a good idea, at any rate
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17:45<romanos_melodos>even worst when u dont know how to do it :)
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17:45<klys>romanos_melados: what I mean is, change the sources.list line to `etch' instead of `testing', run apt-get update, and then apt-cache show libc6 | less (look for the Version from stable) then lftp ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc ; get libc6_version_i386.deb
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17:45<lupine_85>...and then marvel at the complete lack of working software on your system...
17:46<lupine_85>amirite?
17:46<themill>klys: you're talking out your arse... you're not going to have a working system if you only downgrade libc6
17:46<klys>and then you'll know what special lenny package you have when you do dpkg -i libc6*.deb
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17:46<romanos_melodos>id better go with a fresh reinstall, i got a speedy connection .. shouldnt be a problem at all
17:47<klys>themill: for him to have a working system with the package he wants (kernel-package) all he needs is the first step anyway (apt-get update)
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17:47<isuckatlinux>whats the difference between $ROOT and ${ROOT}
17:48<themill>klys: as an education to yourself, why don't you take a lenny box and do exactly what you just suggested for downgrading libc6.
17:48<romanos_melodos>hehe
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17:48<themill>isuckatlinux: in a bash script? nothing
17:48<klys>I realize it would not install. it would: give you a list of reasons why not to.
17:48<lupine_85>so why're you recommending it?
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17:49<isuckatlinux>ok, so they are equivalent themill
17:49<themill>klys: so why not just run dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections etc
17:49<klys>the guy has lenny. he should probably get his selections and make sure he still has everything before reinstalling
17:49<isuckatlinux>im just trying to figure out this init script
17:49<lupine_85>fail
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17:50<themill>isuckatlinux: yes, they're identical. the {} just make it easier to do ${ROOT}filename sort of things i.e. $ROOTfilename is different to ${ROOT}filename bit is the same as ${ROOTfilename}
17:50<romanos_melodos>by the way, has anyone any idea if my soundcard works on debian?
17:50<themill>isuckatlinux: ugh... that was as clear as mud.
17:50<romanos_melodos>its a firewire solo m audio
17:50<isuckatlinux>i got it man, thanks
17:50<themill>:)
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17:51<isuckatlinux>could that variable be defined in the kernel themill, do u know?
17:52<themill>isuckatlinux: no.... is this initscript from a debian package?
17:53<schichtleita>hi there, i've got a little problem with my debian etch install on a nforce4 mainboard. during the installation, everything ran fine, he even detected my onboard-nic. now when i booted my new install up for the very first time, i was stuck with no NIC except loopback device.
17:53<isuckatlinux>it is in the init script within the iniramfs
17:53<schichtleita>anyone got an idea which module i've got to load?
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17:54<klys>romanos_melados: get the kernel and find out if there's a driver for it
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17:54<themill>isuckatlinux: ahh... I was thinking you were meaning an initscript from /etc/init.d/. Yes, I believe ROOT should be defined by the kernel in the initramfs.
17:55<isuckatlinux>i'll take a look then, thank again themill
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17:55<themill>isuckatlinux: But I'm far from expert in initramfs stuff..... Sounds like you're working out a "real" question that you can ask at some stage soon ;)
17:56<romanos_melodos>here's what i came up with http://freebob.sourceforge.net/index.php/FreeBoB_on_Debian_GNU/Linux
17:56<romanos_melodos>anyone ever heard bout freebob
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17:56<isuckatlinux>im just trying to figure out why this second kernel cant find my /dev/sda1
17:56<klys>romanos_melados: look at the downloads page. is there a precompiled driver for your kernel?
17:57<romanos_melodos>is there a downloads page?
17:57<isuckatlinux>{ROOT}=/dev/sda1 but i keeps on spitting that cant find /dev/sda1
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17:57<cameronm>i want to turn a big tarball into a multifile tarball... i thought i could do this by doing something like 'tar xf foo.tar | tar Mcf foo.1.tar -', but it doesn't look like you can use '-' for standard in right there... what is a better way?
17:57<klys>romanos_melados: sf.net/projects/freebob
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17:58<isuckatlinux>seems to be a bug
17:59<schichtleita>okay, my nic is a realtek rtl8201cl according to my motherboard's manual... anyone got an idea why it isnt recognized?
17:59<padski>*sigh* I suppose I should go to #gnustep for an explanation of the new gnustep-make system
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18:01<romanos_melodos>a stupid question.. if i have bout 3 gigs of ram, do i really need swap?
18:01<isuckatlinux>u dont
18:01<romanos_melodos>ok
18:01<themill>romanos_melodos: if you're running iceweasel you might ;)
18:01<romanos_melodos>u?
18:01<romanos_melodos>y
18:01<isuckatlinux>i have 2 gb and never seem my swap used
18:01<themill>romanos_melodos: you're running a laptop, aren't you?
18:01<petemc>romanos_melodos: are you that short on disk space you cant spare a gig?
18:01<klys>themill: does any released iceweasel package you know of leak or crash unexpectedly?
18:02<lupine_85>never hurts to have it
18:02<themill>klys: yes. often.
18:02<romanos_melodos>ye
18:02<petemc>try to use full words
18:02<petemc>helps people understand what you mean
18:02<themill>romanos_melodos: if you're running a laptop, then you'll want swap for suspend-to-disk.
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18:02<romanos_melodos>the think is.. ive also installed v**** and it says somthing bout there must be at least 10 gigs of empty space in every partition.. wtf?
18:03<lupine_85>heh. possibly 3GB of swap :D
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18:03<f0rtune>when i try to re-install squid3, after uninstalling it and deleting the config file, i try to re-install it and it doesnt make the config file, what should i do
18:03[~]klys recommends a large vfat partition to anyone who is partitioning (type: 0B)
18:03<jclinton>f0rtune: dpkg-reconfigure squid3
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18:03<mzhang>how to uninstall mathematica
18:04<f0rtune>jclinton, thanks
18:04<jclinton>mzhang: we do not support proprietary software
18:04<jclinton>mzhang: call Wolfram as ask them
18:04<jclinton>mzhang: you paid for it
18:04<themill>mzhang: rm ;)
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18:05<klys>mzhang: look for another package which supports apl
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18:05<mzhang>thanks both...
18:06<f0rtune>jclinton: didnt work because there is no config file, should i make one and leave it empty?
18:06<themill>isuckatlinux: that sounds more like a missing module for either your disk controller or file system.
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18:07<jclinton>f0rtune: no, you messed it up; you have to "aptitude purge squid3 && aptitude install squid3" to fix it
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18:08<isuckatlinux>could be, im not really sure of what im doing, i built a second kernel with the same config file, and im getting that when i tryi to boot it up
18:08<f0rtune>wtf
18:08<jclinton>isuckatlinux: what is this "{ROOT}=" business?
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18:09<klys>f0rtune: are you trying to lock someone into a corporate firewall?
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18:09<jclinton>what boot loader uses that syntax isuckatlinux?
18:09<f0rtune>umm that just tried to uninstall all of my programs...
18:10<jclinton>f0rtune: dpkg --purge, then
18:10<jclinton>and for the love of god, us a package manager in the future
18:10<jclinton>use*
18:10<f0rtune>now i have to re-install...
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18:10<f0rtune>i did use the package manager
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18:10<voidadept>hell?
18:10<voidadept>hello?\
18:11<jclinton>voidadept: goodby
18:11<klys>f0rtune: here's reminding you to test your ntlm configuration with htund
18:11<isuckatlinux>none of the jclinton, it is in the init script within the ramfs
18:11<isuckatlinux>none of them
18:11<f0rtune>this is fucking gay, ur a faggot
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18:11<voidadept>excellent I could do without the sarcasm.
18:12<jclinton>voidadept: you could also do without help, apparently
18:12<voidadept>apparently the administration of this server has a crappy policy
18:12<themill>voidadept: do you have a debian-related question we can help you with?
18:12<jclinton>isuckatlinux: so what does /boot/grub/menu.lst list as the root= ?
18:12<voidadept>actually, no
18:12<padski>I see the night shift is a lot harder than the day shift
18:13<jclinton>the douche bag quotient rises also
18:13<jclinton>kiddies off school, etc
18:13<amphi>padski: which night?
18:13<padski>jclinton: and as the hours go past the translations get harder
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18:14<padski>amphi: good point. ok, maybe cultural.
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18:14<isuckatlinux>jclinton. /dev/sda1 shows in the menu.lst
18:14<jclinton>isuckatlinux: and which kernel version doesn't work; and which one does?
18:15<jclinton>isuckatlinux: exact version please
18:15<isuckatlinux>but the error is http://pastebin.com/m7f08e936
18:15<amphi>padski: yeah, the tone definitely changes as the terminator sweeps around the planet ;)
18:15<isuckatlinux>2.6.18 works, 2.6.22 doesn't
18:15<lupine_85>isuckatlinux: why don't you just install the unstable kernel?
18:15<lupine_85>it's pre-built and almost guaranteed to work
18:15<padski>amphi: he'll be back ;-)
18:16<jclinton>isuckatlinux: which controller do you have for your SATA drives?
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18:16<isuckatlinux>i like to bother u guys with my questions lupine_85... :)
18:16<jclinton>isuckatlinux: oh you built this from source yourself?
18:16<lupine_85>fail
18:16<isuckatlinux>i built the deb packet
18:16<jclinton>yea, not helping
18:16<jclinton>install unstable kernel and be done with it
18:17<jclinton>you know how to apt-pin, isuckatlinux?
18:17<isuckatlinux>apt-pin?
18:17<lupine_85>!pinning
18:17<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.
18:17<lupine_85>ftw
18:17<lupine_85>I have stable, testing, unstable and experimental repos in my sources.list
18:17<padski>hmm ...
18:18<padski>its good advice on how to start
18:18<jclinton>i wouldn't use apt-get to actually install a package from another distro
18:18<padski>how do you rewrite this stuff ? look at this one ...
18:18<padski>!cdrom
18:18<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, cdrom is To mount a cdrom do mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom, or "see cd-rom", or 'grep hd /var/log/dmesg' 'ln -s /dev/hd{a,b,c,d} /dev/cdrom', or created with http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/mkdevcdrom.sh, or are managed with apt-cdrom.
18:19<isuckatlinux>ok, thanks guys
18:19<themill>padski: what do you want it to say>
18:19<themill>?
18:19<jclinton>you can use aptitude to interactive tag a kernel from a new release and resolved dependencies
18:20<padski>themill: for one thing, mount onto /media/cdrom (or whatever)
18:20<jclinton>isuckatlinux: linux-image-2.6.22 is available through backports
18:20<themill>only for amd64
18:20<padski>themill: however much I may hate our standards, I hate not having them even more so
18:21<jclinton>isuckatlinux: use that instead of pinning if you're on amd64
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18:21<padski>themill: also there is no coverage of gui situations. it is new users who typically seem to ask this question.
18:22<isuckatlinux>im on intel 32 but I've been trying to fix this for 2 long now
18:22<isuckatlinux>im kind of tired
18:22<themill>padski: /cdrom still exists for etch and the /media thing is difficult as it is a numbered device.... hmmm.
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18:23<padski>themill: really ? there is a /cdrom in etch ?
18:24<themill>padski: the whole udev thing complicates it too ;(
18:24<themill>padski: yep.
18:24<themill>padski: symlinks to /media/cdrom ;)
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18:25<posix>Is there any easy way to get a firewire minidv camera working as a usb camera (v4l device)?
18:26<padski>themill: I haven't seen /cdrom in ages. I don't see /cdrom on the etch box I have handy. I'm sure /media/cdrom was current in sarge as well.
18:26<themill>my fresh etch install has it.... don't think I did anything to provoke that.
18:26<lupine_85>lenny doesn't have it
18:26<lupine_85>at least, not my lenny
18:27<themill>padski: how's this; To mount a cdrom from console, do mount /media/cdrom; To automount under gnome, install gnome-volume-manager or under kde, install pmount. Tell apt about your CD sources using apt-cdrom.
18:28<padski>themill: that is an excellent summary of the best info we found today. I'm not an expert and I couldn't promise that is perfect, but to me it seems like an improvement (in at least some ways) on what was there. give me a second to review the deletions ...
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18:30<padski>themill: I don't understand 'or "see cdrom"' in the previous entry.
18:30<themill>cd-rom
18:30<themill>!cd-rom
18:30<dpkg>[cd-rom] (Compact Disk Read Only Media) CD-ROM media is read-only media that holds 650 MB of data. It's generally accepted as the easiest way to distribute software. CD-ROM drives can also read music CDs even though they are in a different format than CD-ROM media.
18:31<lupine_85>700MB these days :p
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18:31<padski>ah! ok
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18:31<themill>padski: all the "or" bits are people just lazily adding extra things to the factoid.
18:31<themill>Most people know what a cd-rom is these days....
18:31<padski>themill: I wondered how it worked
18:31<themill>it makes them pretty unreadable sometimes. There are a lot that need editing....
18:32<padski>themill: what's a cdrom ;-)
18:32<widrone>An edit a day keeps dpkg ok...
18:33<padski>themill: I like the text you presented, I know of no way to improve it right now.
18:33<themill>dpkg: no, cdrom is <reply> To mount a cdrom from console, do mount /media/cdrom; to automount under gnome, install gnome-volume-manager or under kde, install pmount. Tell apt about your CD sources using apt-cdrom.
18:33<dpkg>okay, themill
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18:34<padski>themill: recollection: that the conversation today had it that pmount is installed as a dependency of something gnome and something pretty basic in kde.
18:35<padski>I just click the cancel button :-)
18:35<themill>ahh... was it hal-device-manager instead....
18:36<themill>no.... my kde automounts cds with pmount and not h-d-m
18:37<padski>themill: same here, but istr pmount is a dep of some core kde component
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18:39<themill>yeah... but I thought I had to install something to get it to work the first time. Yep... kdebase depends pmount
18:39<padski>themill: but someone else told me, and I can't find the link now. how do I get the full tree out of apt-rdepends ?
18:39<apeitheo>does debian testing not have nvidia-glx?
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18:40<padski>apeitheo: right now ?
18:40<apeitheo>padski: well, whenever?
18:40<apeitheo>padski: well I guess right now lol, apt-get install nvidia-glx says the package isn't ther
18:40<apeitheo>there*
18:41<padski>apeitheo: testing has whatever is fit to pass into it from unstable. there are gaps
18:41<apeitheo>ah
18:41<apeitheo>padski: so running testing on a desktop probably isn't the best idea?
18:41<apeitheo>padski: or should I just backport things from sid?
18:42<apeitheo>I would run stable, but the software's a little too old.
18:42<gass>hello there
18:42<lupine_85> nvidia-glx isn't compatible with the current testing kernel
18:42<lupine_85>(along with nvidia-kernel)
18:42<gass>the comedi modules are not compiled?
18:42<lupine_85>hence why it's not in there
18:42<themill>dpkg: cdrom =~ s/pmount/kdebase-kio-plugins/
18:42<dpkg>OK, themill
18:42<apeitheo>lupine_85: so basically the only way to get nvidia's drivers working is to run stable?
18:42<lupine_85>nah, grab the kernel from unstable
18:42<padski>apeitheo: seehttp://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-glx&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
18:42<lupine_85>(which also has nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx for your consumption)
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18:43<apeitheo>does anyone run testing on their home machines okay?
18:43<lupine_85>Win, as they say
18:43[~]lupine_85 runs testing
18:43<apeitheo>who's Win?
18:43<lupine_85>it's a thing, not a who
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18:43<apeitheo>lupine_85: what do you mean by Win then?
18:43<padski>apeitheo: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html for testing status
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18:44<padski>apeitheo: yes, I am running lenny on my main home machine.
18:44<lupine_85>I was using it as a general expression, to mean "yay, you can have testing"
18:44<toad>apt-get seems to ignore -t ... if i apt-get install -t <testing,sid,etch> <motion,ffmpeg, havent tried others yet> ... it always installs the same exact package version
18:44<toad>is this a known problem?
18:44<lupine_85>toad: do you have the relevent repo in /etc/sources.list ?
18:44<toad>yes
18:45<posix>anybody familiar with dc1394_vloopback?
18:45<lupine_85>and apt-cache policy shows multiple available package versions?
18:46<toad>yeah
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18:46<toad>further ideas?
18:46<lupine_85>strange. Works here.
18:46<themill>padski: kdebase-kio-plugins is the appropriate kde package for the automounting gui and depends on the appropriate hal/pmount bits.
18:46<padski>apeitheo: testing is fine for desktop use, but its not as simple as stable yet.
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18:46<toad>:|
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18:46<toad>well this makes it difficult to solve another issue i've run into ... when i upgraded to testing, motion stopped working
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18:47<padski>themill: thanks. I appreciate the extra learning. does automounting work nowadays ?
18:47<toad>i think this is caused by some sort of problem with ffmpeg because before it segfaults it says Codec not found: Success
18:48<apeitheo>padski: ah
18:48<themill>padski: yes quite nicely. data disc => konqi; digital camera => digikam; mp3 player => amarok.
18:48<themill>padski: and video dvd => xine etc etc
18:48<toad>any suggestions for that? is there some other package i might need?
18:49<padski>themill: I kid you not. last time I looked at automounting, none of that was on my radar (most didn't exist yet)
18:49<themill>:)
18:50<themill>mostly, it Just Works(TM) now. That's the way I like it to be....
18:50<padski>toad: -t has always worked for me
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18:50<toad>:| something wierd going on then ... i have all 3 dists on 3 different repositories...
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18:51<themill>toad: apt-get wants temporal names not codenames. (stable, testing, unstable not etch lenny sid)
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18:51<padski>toad: choose your target. pick one. ...
18:51<toad>themill: hmmm ok
18:51<padski>toad: you want to get a set of packages installed >
18:51<padski>toad: or you
18:52<padski>themill: you are kidding ? I've never noticed that ?
18:52<toad>if i install from stable i get 3.2.3-2.1 ... testing i get 3.2.3-2.1+b3
18:53<toad>ok it works
18:53<toad>sorry
18:53<padski>lol\
18:53<toad>:(
18:53<toad>it doesn't work if i don't --remove it first though
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18:54<toad>ok, it works fine, sorry for the bandwidth
18:54<toad>i wish i could say the same about motion...
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18:54<themill>toad: np... good luck!
18:54<padski>toad: motion ?
18:54<themill>night all!
18:54<themill>!g'night
18:54<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
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18:54<juan>hello
18:54<padski>g'night!
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18:55<Guest1054>i would like to know which are the commands to create a new text file with -vi
18:55<toad>right, the testing version segfaults always on detecting motion, apparently on trying to encode the video
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18:55<Guest1054>because i want to create a bash script
18:55<toad>and it always says Codec not found: Success
18:55<toad>suggesting it's a problem with ffmpeg
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18:56<Guest1054>is there anyone who can answer my question
18:57<peterrooney>Guest1054: man echo ; man touch. vi is overkill for creating a file.
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18:57<stoned>Guest1054: you can just touch
18:57<padski>Guest1054: google sayhttp://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.htmls
18:57<toad>hmmm the files are called libavcodec.so.{0d,1d,51}, and more specific version no's ... there's no actual libavcodec.so.1 or libavcodec.so
18:57<Guest1054>ok, which program do yuou recomend
18:57<toad>i wonder if this might be the problem?
18:57<dendrite>Guest1054: vi is great for shell scripting.
18:58<dendrite>Guest1054: Find a tutorial on the web.
18:58<Guest1054>ooo i see, but shell scripting includes perl, bash and tcl right
18:59<amphi>Guest1054: look for the 'advanced bash scripting guide' - despite the title, it assumes little or no prior knowledge
18:59<Guest1054>another problem that i have
18:59<Guest1054>i need to set the right layout for my keyboard
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18:59<Guest1054>i have tried every and each one of them
18:59<Guest1054>but none works
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19:00<Guest1054>im just loosing my mind
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19:00<padski>Guest1054: backups are indicated
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19:00<Guest1054>im from argentina
19:00<Guest1054>i have tried, latin american, spanish, US latin, no one works
19:01<Guest1054>its a qwerty keyboard kind
19:02<padski>Guest1054: do you not know anyone else using the same kind of keyboard on linux ?
19:02<Guest1054>mmm its just the standard
19:02<Guest1054>there is nothing rare about it
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19:02<Guest1054>i think im selecting the wrong layout
19:02<Guest1054>i know its a qwerty keyboard
19:03<Guest1054>but when i have to put the languaje, there is the problem
19:03<Guest1054>its an spanish keyboard kind
19:03<padski>Guest1054: there is more than one meaning to spanish
19:03<padski>!es
19:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:03<padski>!br
19:03<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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19:04<padski>!ar
19:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina
19:04<padski>!ok
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19:04<Guest1054>ok, one more thing
19:04<padski>Guest1054: continue
19:04<Guest1054>i just need to know which one is better, midnight commander or gnome commander
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19:05<padski>Guest1054: try them, find out for yourself. it does not interest me.
19:05<Guest1054>ok
19:05<Guest1054>how do i do to access the debian's spanish channel
19:06<dendrite>!es
19:06<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:06<toad>hmmmmm is the motion package actually maintained?
19:06<toad>is it orphaned?
19:06[~]toad is looking at the bug tracker...
19:06<chealer>toad: who's the maintainer?
19:07<padski>toad: listed as maintained
19:07<toad>frederik dannemare
19:07<chealer>toad: then it's not orphaned
19:07<padski>toad: yes
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19:07<padski>toad: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/motion.html
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19:09<toad>no news since march.. hmmm
19:09<toad>well i can only add my bug report to the existing bug report of the same problem... :|
19:09<padski>toad: is there a lot of activity upstream ?
19:09<padski>toad: ah!
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19:10<padski>toad: there is a missing-in-action procedure somewhere
19:11<toad>hmmm well one thing at a time..
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19:11<padski>toad: it might sound harsh, but everything needs to be kept alive.
19:12<padski>anyways, g'night all
19:12<padski>!g'night
19:12<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
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19:16<melodos>hi
19:16<melodos>whats tha nvidia one liner?
19:16<Guest1054>there is no one answering at the spanish channel
19:16<Guest1054>i need to know how to configure the right layout
19:16<chealer>!tell melodos about nvidia one-liner
19:17<Guest1054>i dont know which languaje is the correct one
19:17<Guest1054>i have been looking for it for weeks
19:17<melodos>damn it
19:17<toad>are mmap()s preserved when you close the original file?
19:17<melodos>i still cant find those drivers..
19:17<Guest1054>i have tried english, spanish, US latin, latin american
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19:18<Guest1054>please... someone
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19:23<gh0stsh1p>hi
19:23<gh0stsh1p>Hiii...
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19:33<toad>okay, /me will use the stable version for the time being, has sent a reply to the bug report (aug 6th, not acknowledged so far, #436200), and i've emailed the maintainer as per the MIA procedure (except the MIA procedure I can only find in patch form on a google cache of a mailing list archive...)
19:34<gh0stsh1p>i using etch
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19:34<toad>ah, there is an official procedure...
19:34<toad>developer reference, Beyond Packaging chapter
19:34<toad>cool
19:37<Guest1054>hey
19:38<Guest1054>do you know if i can create a script using kate or abiword
19:38<Guest1054>a bash script
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19:38<chealer>Guest1054: yes
19:39<Guest1054>ok
19:39<Guest1054>so i save it
19:39<toad>hmmm the MIA procedure is aimed at developers e.g. mia-query isn't widely available afaics
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19:39<Guest1054>does it have to be in a special directory
19:39<Guest1054>o do i have to place it in an specific directory
19:40<chealer>Guest1054: depends on its role
19:40<Guest1054>or i mean at any directory
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19:40<Guest1054>mmm, i just want to practice
19:40<Guest1054>with commands like echo and the data structures
19:40<Guest1054>for, while if etc
19:41<Guest1054>do you know where i have to place it
19:42<Guest1054>do i have to place it at /in/sh/
19:42<Guest1054>/bin/sh i mean
19:42<chealer>Guest1054: /bin/sh is a file
19:42<Guest1054>which file is that
19:42<chealer>Guest1054: /bin/sh
19:43<Guest1054>i know
19:43<Guest1054>but
19:43<Guest1054>is it a system file
19:43<Guest1054>or just a meaningless file
19:44<Guest1054>please tell me
19:44<Guest1054>c mon
19:44<amphi>Guest1054: it's probably a symlink to /bin/bash
19:45<Guest1054>but i want to know the process to make a bash work
19:45<Guest1054>first i create it with kate editor
19:45<Guest1054>then i save it in which directory
19:46<amphi>Guest1054: doesn't matter; if it's not in a directory in $PATH, you will need to specify the path to run it
19:46<amphi>Guest1054: ~/bin is a reasonable choice IMHO
19:46<Guest1054> the script
19:46<chealer>!tell Guest1054 about enter
19:47<Guest1054>ok, i just wanna practice
19:47<Guest1054>where do you recommend me to put the file
19:48<chealer>Guest1054: in your home
19:48<Guest1054>ok
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19:48<Guest1054>thanks
19:50<akiva>After updating I am unable to log into GNOME. It hangs at loading nm-applet. I can click out of the loading box and access the desktop icons, but that is it. And I can no longer log in via Metacity, either. Does anyone know how to fix this? I have been trying for a few days.
19:50<akiva>I updated, reconfigured xserver-xorg, reinstall nautilus and everything I could think of...
19:51<akiva>This is my home web dev machine (gulp !)
19:51<litage|w>akiva: have you checked gnome's/metacity's/etc's logs?
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19:52<akiva>litage|w: How would I do that?
19:52<akiva>litage|w: Not to sound ignorant...
19:52<litage|w>akiva: by reading through log files
19:53<litage|w>akiva: i don't know where gnome keeps its logs, but checking log files is pretty much the first step in debugging problems
19:53<akiva>litage|w: Before I fixed it to get to the load screen, it was outputting an error regarding my FLGRX, but I have fixed all of that from the xorg.conf
19:53<litage|w>akiva: as i just said, check gnome's logs
19:53<gh0stsh1p>ahhhh
19:54<gh0stsh1p>you are not german
19:54<litage|w>akiva: i don't use gnome, so that's all i can recommend at this time
19:54<akiva>litage|w: I know what you mean, I guess I am worried that the log won't mean much to me. I will check into now, though.
19:54<posix>akiva; it may mean something to google, though
19:54<litage|w>akiva: if the log doesn't mean much to you, all the more reason to read through it. how else will you learn? =)
19:55<gh0stsh1p>you are not german ! You are not german!
19:55<posix>litage|w :D
19:55<gh0stsh1p>*show with finger of you*
19:55<litage|w>posix: only ~2 weeks til i can intro you to parkour!
19:55<posix>oO!
19:55<akiva>posix: I agree, but I am in irssi as I cannot LOG INTO my GNOME
19:55<posix>akiva; elinks ftw
19:55<akiva>posix: elinks?
19:56<litage|w>akiva: use a text-based browser like elinks, w3m, etc
19:56<litage|w>akiva: or jump onto another box that has a gui
19:56<akiva>litage|w: Ah. I will look into tha now
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19:57<posix>litage|w: ever play with dc1394_vloopback?
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19:57<litage|w>posix: did i mention to you that a couple of weeks ago, while attempting a precision up onto a ~4-5' tall wall, i gouged a hole in my leg and saw my tibia? =P
19:57<posix>yea hahah
19:57<litage|w>posix: nope, never heard of it
19:57<litage|w>posix: qu'est-ce que c'est?
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19:57<posix>how does a wall gouge?!
19:58<litage|w>posix: the edge somehow managed to. i've no idea how, but it did. i went back the next day looking for the piece of meat missing from my leg, but it wasn't to be found. a bird or lizard must've eaten it
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19:59<posix>litage|w: it lets you pipe a video1394 device into a vloopback device.. trying to turn my minidv cam into a webcam for kopete
19:59<posix>hahaa
19:59<posix>yum
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20:00<posix>brb
20:00<litage|w>posix: hah cool
20:00<gh0stsh1p>HIII
20:00<gh0stsh1p>where is the Xchat Channel ???
20:01<chealer>gh0stsh1p: on freenode
20:01<akiva>Does anyone know where the error logs for GNOME might be? I cannot find them anywhere in /etc
20:01<hachi>logs don't go in /etc
20:02<widrone>akiva: Try /var/log, aint no logs in /etc
20:02<akiva>widrone: Thanks
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20:03<gh0stsh1p>good, that is now my target
20:04<akiva>widrone: Do you know which of the many logs it would be? Do they all track different things or are do they incrementally get stored
20:04<akiva>I ccannot seem to read any of them
20:05<widrone>akiva: http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/index.html <- for some more background / info about the filesystem tree. Its not deian spesific that doc, but (correct me if Im wrong) debian follows it.
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20:05<widrone>akiva: Sorry, not running any X atm so I cant say where they are stored.
20:05<akiva>widrone: Thanks.
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20:13<gh0stsh1p>wie schwul, wenn man ein datei als plugin laden will, die kein plugin ist, dann verweigert er nicht einfach mal diese datei, weil es nicht als update zu initialisieren ist, sonder nein, es geht direkt das ganze programm aus und es bleibt resistend.
20:14<streuner>gh0stsh1p: please english
20:14<amphi>!tell gh0stsh1p about de
20:14<gh0stsh1p>jo
20:15<gh0stsh1p>i writen in the wrong server windows ok ?
20:15<streuner>what the fuck are you talking about?
20:15<gh0stsh1p>!tell amphi
20:15<gh0stsh1p>what?
20:15<streuner>haha
20:15<amphi>!pal gh0stsh1p
20:15[~]dpkg points at gh0stsh1p and laughs
20:15<gh0stsh1p>you think i am only still here?
20:15<gh0stsh1p>!megapal amphi
20:16[~]streuner asking what he do at this time in #debian
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20:16<gh0stsh1p>i don´t want to ask here
20:16<gh0stsh1p>you can´t help
20:16<streuner>not about windows
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20:16<gh0stsh1p>what ? yea i have windows, so I can see my garden
20:16<streuner>ask a Debian related question, we can help then
20:16<gh0stsh1p>i have probs with xchat
20:18<streuner>if its in Debian, /msg dpkg ask
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20:20<Villarroel>Hi.
20:21<Villarroel>How can I move a Window to another screen (using Xinerama)
20:21<Villarroel>I'm on KDE.
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20:24<gh0stsh1p>click and drop ?
20:25<mikkelorz>hi.. im trying to apply a patch to my kernel but when i run the command the system hangs.. anyway i can check if it's running properly?
20:25<gh0stsh1p>right mouseclick in the task, down on your monitor and click change workspace
20:25<gh0stsh1p>or so
20:25<gh0stsh1p>mikkel: do you mean, your pc hangs at the boot sequence?
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20:26<mikkelorz>gh0stsh1p no it hangs when i apply the patch.. it dosnt seem to finish the patching.. not even getting anything to stdout
20:27<streuner>so the patch doesnt work
20:27<mikkelorz>i do: #patch -p1 /usr/src/patchname-img2.diff
20:27<streuner>just try #kernelnewbies
20:28<mikkelorz>and then i just get a blank line
20:28<gh0stsh1p>sorry i am a newbie, do you sure that you try the right version?
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20:28<Villarroel>gh0stsh1p: that does work, they are tow different physical screens.
20:28<gh0stsh1p>or try another version, if you have the choice
20:28<Villarroel>*does no
20:28<Villarroel>t
20:28<gh0stsh1p>why?
20:29<mikkelorz>well i can always downgrade to an earlier version and see if that helps i suppose
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20:29<amphi>mikkelorz: it expects something on stdin - do patch -p1 < /usr/src/patchname-img2.diff
20:29<gh0stsh1p>if he have k7 and want .21 than he could take .18 etch2
20:29<mikkelorz>amphi would explain it
20:29<mikkelorz>gonna try that
20:29<amphi>mikkelorz: it would ;)
20:29<gh0stsh1p>that would not patch very much, but perhaps he could update
20:30<gh0stsh1p>or he need a new source of debian url?!
20:30[~]amphi fumbles with the oubliette
20:30<mikkelorz>yay ssh just crashed bigtime
20:30<mikkelorz>could also explain it
20:31<mikkelorz>time for a reboot and see whats going on i guess oO
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20:34<mikkelorz>hm dont think it's expecting anything from stdin.. just does the same thing
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20:35<mikkelorz>well then better revert to standard debian kernel for now :/
20:35<amphi>mikkelorz: man patch
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20:38<kerneld>Whats up with gnome in unstable?
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20:39<debian_in_vmware>Hi! I'm installing Debian inside VMWare VM. I'm a bit rusty (haven't installed Debian in years). what packages do I need to apt-get to launch X installation and configuration (I already apt-got icewm but that didn't help)
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20:40<mikkelorz>debian_in_vmware on bootup type f1
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20:40<kerneld>debian_in_vmware: There is an xorg vmware server which is there by default I think if you do an apt-get install x-window-system
20:40<mikkelorz>and see the boot flags
20:41<mikkelorz>ah you didnt mean graphical install :S
20:41<debian_in_vmware>mikkelorz: I already installed the base system (with irssi-text, which I'm using). I don't want to redo the installation
20:41<mikkelorz>yes that would be a waste of time :]
20:42<debian_in_vmware>so apt-get install x-window-system then?
20:42<kerneld>!tell debian_in_vmware about drxx
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20:43<mikkelorz>well what kerneld says
20:44<kerneld>debian_in_vmware: Yep and if you already have, but its not working - what drxx said
20:45<debian_in_vmware>thanks! I'll be baaaack (if things don't work)
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20:54<mikkelorz>anyone installed the imq patch on etch? cant seem to find any current howto's..
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20:55<njubi___>Hi, I got a question. I am looking for a program which animates my desktop-wallpaper. I want a movie or something as a background... Is there something like that for Etch?
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21:02<kerneld>njubi___: Some movie players will play to xroot
21:03<debian_in_vmware>I need to install lapack3, but doing so will also install gcc3-something-base. I already have gcc4.1. Should I be suspicious?
21:03<mikkelorz>think vlc has a "wallpaper" mode
21:03<kerneld>xanim did - I am sure mplayer or totem could be made to or your tv player for your tuner
21:03<kerneld>debian_in_vmware: Should be OK - you can have muliple gcc's
21:04<njubi___>how can I make a player to play to xroot?
21:04<debian_in_vmware>But I plan to use gcc 4, while linking to this library, that for some strange reason depends on gcc 3
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21:04<kerneld>njubi___: Depends which player....
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21:05<njubi___>so i have to search for an Option in the Players menu?
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21:08<kerneld>njubi___: YOu need to specify which player you want
21:09<kerneld>and look in the doc for that player
21:09<kerneld>eg: mplayer has -rootwin
21:09<kerneld>xanim had -root I think
21:09<kerneld>...
21:10<kerneld>but xanim is a blast from the past
21:10<njubi___>lets say VLC; I got that installed
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21:11<njubi___>Has it to do with the interface module?
21:12<kerneld>njubi___: It has to do with the video output
21:13<njubi___>Xvideo Extension Video output?
21:13<kerneld>no - that is the render mode. It is an output option
21:13<kerneld>Look in the docs for root
21:14<kerneld>You want to display in the root window
21:14<njubi___>I want to have a video instead of a wallpaper
21:15<kerneld>exactly
21:15<njubi___>docs for root? What you mean?
21:15<kerneld>Read what I typed - its all there
21:15<kerneld>nothing to do with the root user
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21:16<njubi___>I am really new on Debian and I have no idea what you mean with docs...
21:16<njubi___>sorry
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21:21<kerneld>njubi___: Not sure about vlc - you would have to check http://www.videolan.org/ for starters
21:23<kerneld>mplayer has -rootwin
21:23<kerneld>I have used windows vlc client to display on the rootwindow
21:24<njubi___>is "windows vlc client" a program by itself?
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21:25<njubi___>No thats the VLC, right?
21:25<hachi>I want to add the HPET force patch to my kernel on debian, but I've been building the bloody package for about 2 hours now (on a 1.9ish GHz thinkpad with plenty of ram)
21:25<hachi>is there something I'm missing about building the debian linux-image packages that would make it faster?
21:27<dli>hachi, quit building, check "make menuconfig", disable unnecessary drivers
21:27<dli>hachi, however, even with all drivers enabled, 2 hours is just too much. maybe, you have extremely slow hard drive
21:27<hachi>won't the dpkg-buildpackage run cause the config I set to be overwritten? I don't even see where it loads the config from
21:28<dli>!tell hachi about kp
21:28<kerneld>njubi___: Sorry - can't help you with how to make vlc do that - you'll have to dig for that yourself
21:28<njubi___>k, thanks for trying, I appreciate that very much
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21:29<njubi___>thx
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21:30<kerneld>njubi___: http://txpress.blogspot.com/2007/02/set-video-as-your-wallpaper.html
21:30<kerneld>TYhat describes what I have done with the windows version of vlc
21:31<hachi>dli: I'm reading this stuff now, but I'm kinda puzzled why the difference in building this package?
21:31<hachi>I just did an apt-get source linux-image-yadday, and am doing a dpkg-buildpackage myself
21:31<debian_in_vmware>For some reason, before I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, X worked at full resolution 1024x756; but now, it only starts at low resolution (vga?) I even removed all other modes from xorg.conf (with dpkg-reconfigure). Why is it doing this?
21:31<hachi>and it certainly seems to be working, so I'm wondering why this other method exists
21:32<njubi___>thanky
21:32<klys>debian_in_vmware: see your logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log*
21:33<hachi>oh wait... this is different
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21:33<hachi>kernel-package is for when I want to roll my own from scratch, I don't wanna do that
21:34<hachi>I want to take the exact debian kernel that I have running, and just add one patch to it
21:34<hachi>I don't want to have to add all your patches back again myself... I don't even know what they all are
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21:38<debian_in_vmware>klys: Xorg.0.log mentions 1024x756 several times: "Not using default mode 1024x756 (bad mode clock/...)" or "... (no mode of this name)" or "... (hsync out of range)" - I'm not sure what to do about all this
21:39<klys>hange your hsync and vsync parameters to allow the mode to go off
21:40<hachi>anyone know where the linux-image source packages get their config from? maybe this is all I'm looking for
21:41<njubi___>thanks for the help guys, have a nice day. GReetz
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21:42<hachi>ahh, perhaps I'm building all the variations on the arch, that could be why it's taking so long
21:42<dli>hachi, indeed, you'd better make your own .config, however, you can get debian config from the /boot/folder
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21:43<debian_in_vmware>klys: I'm afraid I don't know what my hsync and vsync parameters should be (especially since the monitor is emulated in VMWare, as I understand it)
21:44<hachi>dli: but with the make-kpkg thing I can't just 'get' all the various debian chosen/written patches that are in your kernel
21:44<hachi>I really want the same kernel, the one variation... just one more patch on top
21:44<hachi>is there an easy way to get this?
21:44<dli>hachi, you need the linux-source package
21:44<Supaplex>debian_in_vmware: ask the vmware folks, it's their hardware . . .
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21:45<hachi>does that have all of the patches that the official kernel has? I don't see any way to figure that out
21:45<hachi>all I see it give me is the source
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21:46<hachi>I was always under the impression that the linux-source package is the linus mainline tree, with the non-free stuff torn out
21:46<debian_in_vmware>Supaplex: is there any way to guess these parameters using the fact that the high resolution worked before dpkg-reconfigure? I'll try looking in xorg.conf backup (not that I understand these types of files)
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21:50<dli>hachi, linux-source is the souce for the debian kernel
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21:50<hachi>I am worried about the patches
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21:50<ameyer>I know Ubuntu uses -mm
21:51<ameyer>not terribly useful, but...
21:51<hachi>can you please be more explicit about the state of patches in linux-source versus the linux-image source? I know that linux-source is the source, it sorta says that
21:51<hachi>nothing says that linux-source contains all the patches that the linux-image packages in them
21:51<hachi>it just doesn't
21:51<hachi>so I'm asking, imploring
21:51<hachi>PLEASE
21:51<hachi>does it?
21:52<dli>hachi, yes, linux-source contains debian patches
21:52<gravity>There's a kernel handbook available for how debian manages the kernel
21:52<gravity>I've not looked at it, but it's apparently very complete. It probably has all the answers you're looking for, and more
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22:12<nichos>hi all, i just installed compiz, but I cant find the config manager (emeral) and i dont see it in apt-cache search
22:12<nichos>how do i configure the themes, settings, etc?
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22:15<ameyer>Iceweasel might be the cause, but IMO, a program shouldn't be able to crash X
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22:15<ameyer>shoot, wrong #debian
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22:20<frand>i'm trying to upgrade libc6 .. but apt-get gives many "readlink: invalid option -- e" errors, then fails
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22:21<frand>this is an old box...how can i find what version/revision of debian is installed?
22:21<kerneld> /etc/debian_version
22:21<gabrix>hello everyone
22:22<frand>oh dear .. "testing/unstable"
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22:22<gabrix>0.2.0.2-alpha
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22:22<Tydor>don't have compiz-fusion for debian etch?
22:22<kerneld>frand: Maybe a timestamp on some stuff in /var/lib/dpkg
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22:24<kerneld>frand: What ver libc6
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22:26<kerneld>frand: You might have a dificult mess to fix if libc6 install broke
22:26<frand>kerneld: thanks. i currently have 2.3.6-7
22:27<frand>kerneld: yes i want to be careful about this
22:27<frand>is there a way to downgrade to something stable .. then upgrade after that?
22:28<kerneld> -- Aurelien Jarno <aurel32@debian.org> Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:48:30 +0200
22:28<kerneld> -- Aurelien Jarno <aurel32@debian.org> Thu, 18 May 2006 15:34:08 +0000
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22:28<kerneld>that brackets your update state
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22:29<kerneld>I am guessing you would be able to update that to etch
22:29<frand>i think that's what i'm trying to do..maybe i'm going about it the wrong way
22:30<kerneld>You might want to edit your sources.list and point it to stab;e
22:30<frand>seems reasonable..i'll try
22:30<kerneld>.. but did you already update some packages to testing?
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22:30<kerneld>.. current testing
22:30<frand>quite likely
22:31<kerneld>Then that gets messy
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22:31<kerneld>You cal look at the timestamps in /var/cache/apt/archives/
22:32<kerneld>and see what you have downloaded
22:32<frand>probably i wanted to get some package that wasn't available and unwisely added unstable to my sources.list
22:32<frand>ok
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22:32<Supaplex>!850*77.1
22:32<dpkg>65534.999999999993
22:32<Supaplex>http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/09/24/2339203.shtml hehe
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22:32<kerneld>Since you still have ancient libc6 not much new could have made it to installed
22:32<kerneld>... but if it already unpacked...
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22:33<kerneld>You could try: apt-get install libc6 dpkg apt
22:33<kerneld>and go from there
22:34<Supaplex>awwweeeee *bliss* elinks+scroll wheel mouse
22:34<frand>i've taken the unstable references out of sources.list, and apt-get updated... now trying your suggestion, it seems promising
22:34<chuy_max>is it possible to modify serial port configuration, like parity, baud rate, handshaking, etc?
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22:35<kerneld>frand: If I have a stable system and want some package that isn't in stable - my first route is to putt an unstable deb-src line in and backport the package I want if possible
22:35<kerneld>Some have lots of dependecies that need to backport thaough and that gets to be a chore
22:36<frand>that makes great sense -- thanks
22:36<Supaplex>backports > simple sid backport > pinning > hold > cut-over to testing/sid
22:36<nexx>hey guys, i've got a quick question, i was in here last week looking for help on my X server config, i ended up installing some nvidia files and during one of the reconfigurings we used a -twinview setting, basicaly i have two different monitors of different sizes and i dont have them lined up properly for the desktop to span both monitors, i think thats what the twin view is for
22:36<nexx>i was wondering if there was some information on some different configuring options
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22:38<kerneld>nexx: Be carefull. I blew up an old monitor with twinview
22:38<kerneld>:P
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22:38<nexx>heh
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22:38<kerneld>that was a long time ago thoigh
22:38<kerneld>It wine pIIIIIIIIEeeeeFT. click click click ....pfsst
22:39<nexx>!nvidia
22:39<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
22:39<frand>i just tried apt-get update base-files for fun, and now it contains 4.0. this is looking very good
22:40<frand>kerneld, thanks very much. i'm at the "packages cannot be authenticated" hurdle, very good sign.
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22:40<nexx>oh maybe a man xserver-conf?
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22:41<nexx>that didn't work
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22:47<OhMyGods>hello,who can help me? I have problems with serial programing.
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22:48<frand>kerneld: success! thank you so much.
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