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00:09<niru>I have postscript driver installed
00:10<niru>but still i dont find the samsung ML 3051 ND printer name available in the list
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00:10<niru>hello klys cjung
00:11<niru>I have postscript driver installed
00:11<niru>but still i dont find the samsung ML 3051 ND printer name available in the list
00:11<sheldonh>niru: the list presented by what?
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00:12<niru>sheldonh, in printer configuration
00:12<niru>I could find all HP printer names and numbers but for samsung ML 3051ND
00:12<sheldonh>niru: in what application?
00:12<niru>it is not displayed
00:13<niru>sheldonh, printer
00:13<sheldonh>niru: i don't have an application called printer
00:13<niru>sheldonh, its administrative task
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00:14<sheldonh>niru: sorry. i don't think i'm the guy to help. either our environments are very difficult, or you'd need to improve the way you help other people to help you
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00:15<sheldonh>niru: perhaps if you described what you're doing from the beginning, as in "i click on...", someone might recognise that you're using software they know about
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00:16<niru>sheldonh, I clicked on System->Administration->printing
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00:16<niru>sheldonh, then clicked to add a printer and selected samsung manf. and its model is ML 3051 ND
00:16<niru>but that is not available
00:16<niru>I searched in
00:17<niru>and it shows it needs postscript driver which is already installed
00:17<sheldonh>niru: hang on. what did you do to get a thingy that was labelled System that you could click on?
00:17<niru>so why this model number is not displayed
00:17<sheldonh>niru: if you're using a postscript-capable printer, you don't need a printer-specific driver
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00:19<gh0stsh1p>totale kontrolle(-verlust)
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00:24<sheldonh>niru: my guess is that you're using gnome-control-center to configure printing. if that's true, include that in your question so that gnome users know they may be able to help you
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00:25<niru>sheldonh, no I dont use it
00:25<sheldonh>niru: but from my experience of printers in general, and from your saying you installed a postscript driver, you should find a generic postscript printer in the list and try that
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00:27<gh0stsh1p>debian 4r1?
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00:56<twb>What's the apt key for snapshot.d.n?
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01:00<jm_>twb: you mean dpkg?
01:00<jm_>!debian snapshot
01:00<dpkg>hmm... debian snapshot is
01:00<twb>I mean the thingy you put into apt-key so it doesn't complain about untrusted packages
01:01<jm_>you install debian keyring package
01:01<jm_>or for other repositories something similar (d-m has that for example)
01:01<twb>Thanks, it wasn't installed on this here server.
01:01<twb>My own boxes tend to have it as a matter of course, so I didn't think to check.
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01:05<chuy_max>my motherboard doesn't have serial ports, I'm buying a PCI card with 2 slots, does anyone know what devices will be created in Linux?
01:06<chuy_max>or maybe, where do I have to send the data, because serial ports (tty*) are always there even if no device is connected
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01:07<blarson>chuy_max: probably /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1
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01:08<chuy_max>blarson, I hope so :D, I'm trying to send the data to those devices tomorrow when I get the card
01:08<jm_>chuy_max: look in /sys, you'll find it there
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01:09<chuy_max>thanks for the info jm_ :)
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01:31<lubos>is there a option in ssh-keygen command for "no passphrase"? I need to create key without user interaction..:-)
01:34<blarson>lubos: Have you tried man ssh-keygen and ssh-keygen --help ? If there is one, it should be listed there...
01:34<jm_>just press enter when it asks for one IIRC
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01:35<lubos>blarson: yes I did... but can not find any...
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01:36<lubos>blarson: I can specify on command line -N "" but not sure if this is the soluton
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01:39<linuxfce>how do i make my computer run a list of commands on startup?
01:41<dpkg>it has been said that init.d is ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local>
01:41<dpkg>hmm... rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s
01:41<twb>jm_: didn't help; these 2005-03-13 packages must predate signing.
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01:42<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README
01:43<chealer>twb: please provide the output of an update
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01:43<twb>chealer: I don't understand.
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01:47<chealer>twb: what does, for example, # apt-get update; output?
01:48<twb>chealer: you understand that I'm trying to install mysql 3.23.x from snapshots.d.n? Signing works normally for normal Etch packages.
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01:49<mikkelorz>hows this possible?? bash: ./ /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
01:49<chealer>twb: yes
01:50<jm_>twb: for etch?
01:50<mikkelorz>first line of my script is #!/bin/bash .. should be fine no?
01:50<jm_>mikkelorz: what does ^M tell you?
01:50<twb>jm_: yes.
01:51<mikkelorz>jm_ if i knew what ^M is i'd might know what it tells me
01:51<jm_>twb: yeah etch key is from 2007.02.19
01:51<jm_>mikkelorz: try file
01:52<mikkelorz>jm_ i see.. it was a text file yes?
01:52<jm_>mikkelorz: did it say only that? nothing about DOS?
01:52<mikkelorz>it says: Bourne-Again shell script text executable
01:52<jm_>let me try
01:53<jm_>yup, doesn't detect it - remove ^M-s
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01:54<mikkelorz>it's not a built in script.. got it off a webpage.. *confused*
01:54<mikkie>i´d like to ask how I can check who is loged into my vsftpd-server
01:55<jm_>yeah but it has dos line endings in it, won't work
01:55<mikkie>who is on (should I log all activities?)
01:55<mikkelorz>jm_ ah! ok.. ill try some tidying
01:56<mikkie>help - because there is someone on now
01:56<mikkie>i dont know who
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01:58<mikkelorz>mikkie view the log?
01:58<gsimmons_>mikkie: Examine the contents of /var/log/vsftpd.log.
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02:01<mikkie>there was an attack
02:02<mikkie>is it possible to block someones IP by sending packages back ?
02:02<mikkie>so often that his server fails down?
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02:06<mikkelorz>mikkie thats illegal :]
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02:07<gsimmons_>mikkie: Try something more defensive, such as using 'fail2ban' instead.
02:08<linuxfce>to turn a text file into a script should i do chmod a+x /dir/scriptname
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02:10<mikkelorz>mikkie and just report the ip to the local abuse@his.ip.something
02:11<mikkelorz>dunno how proactive the isp is regarding script kiddies tho.. guess you'll have to find out ;)
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02:17<mikkie>jak bym to wszystko umial jeszcze zrobic
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02:22<mikkie>cant install by : apt-get install fail2ban
02:22<gsimmons_>mikkie: What version of Debian are you using?
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02:24<nubbun>Have there been any APT versus Conary discussions? How do they compare?
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02:25<wulfhart>This is the debian chat room right?
02:25<nubbun>wulfhart: yes.... and?
02:25<wulfhart>I am having trouble with the net install
02:26<dondelelcaro>nubbun: not to my knowledge, and I'd be surprised if conary even comes close to comparing to dpkg+libapt.
02:26<wulfhart>version 4.0
02:26<wulfhart>None of the mirrors work
02:27<gsimmons_>mikkie: Ah, it's not supplied with sarge. But there is a backported package (of version 0.8.1) for sarge that you can use.
02:28<nubbun>dondelelcaro: I'm thinking they must have had some motivation to go through all the trouble of making it when there are already established & supported package managers. I haven't figured out what that is though. 1 feature should be 'distributed repositories' , but I don't know if that's any different than having multiple sources.list entries.
02:28<dondelelcaro>wulfhart: there are a few hundred mirrors; which have you tried?
02:29<wulfhart>The american ones every one so far has come up blank
02:29<dondelelcaro>wulfhart: well, I know a large percentage of the mirrors are working. What is the precise error that you're getting?
02:30<nubbun>wulfhart: If you can run a packet sniffer on the router, sometimes that's helpful to se what's wrong.
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02:30<wulfhart>ok I am checking my router right now
02:31<mikkie>what now?
02:31<mikkie>how can i install ?
02:33<gsimmons_>mikkie: Refer to the download page at <> for instructions.
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02:36<wulfhart>found the problem hopefully after checking my router I found that it grabbed an incorrect IP address so I set it manually and it seems to work now
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02:37<wulfhart>such a basic solution I should have seen it myself, thanks anyways
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02:40<yel>ha ha
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02:42<mikkie> Package python2.4 is not installed.
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02:43<mikkie>and for that i neeed
02:43<mikkie>Depends: libauthen-pam-perl but it is not installable
02:44<mikkie> Depends: libnet-ssleay-perl but it is not installable
02:44<mikkie>which i havent
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02:47<Cyorxamp>Hey I'm changing practically all the hardware bits in my server so I'll probably have to re-install debian... I'll make a backup of the /etc for reference in re-setting up but does anyone know a way I can get a list of packages I've installed?
02:48<Cyorxamp>i.e. Excluding those that came with the CD
02:48<gsimmons_>Cyorxamp: dpkg --get-selections
02:48<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: if you still have your original drive, you don't have to reinstall.
02:49<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: but otherwise
02:49<Cyorxamp>dondelelcaro: Well the biggest thing is that I'll be going from IDE to SATA
02:49<Cyorxamp>I could always copy the partition across tho
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02:49<Cyorxamp>Motherboard/CPU/RAM all different
02:49<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: yeah, you can pretty easily stick the old ide drive in, partition the new sata drive, and rsync across
02:50<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: then run grub and install a bootloader
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02:50<predder>Cyorxamp, there's a good chance the only problem you'll have is with /etc/fstab and perhaps your bootloader's device mappings
02:50<dondelelcaro>!aptitdue clone
02:50<dondelelcaro>!aptitude clone
02:50<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine.
02:50<Cyorxamp>rsync across? You mean install a fresh debian and use rsync to copt the old filesystem?
02:50<Cyorxamp>predder: yeah I figured fstab would be the main issue
02:50<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: nah, just use the boot cd, mount up both disks, and cp -a or rsync or whatever across.
02:51<Cyorxamp>dondelelcaro: may as well just copy the partition!
02:51<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: if you decide to reinstall though, the above command is the best way to do it
02:51<Cyorxamp>and edit fstab
02:51<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: really depends on whether you want the same partition sizes or not
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02:51<dondelelcaro>Cyorxamp: but it's basically the same in the end
02:51<Cyorxamp>no but I can resize no issue
02:52<dondelelcaro>sure, just a question of whether you want to bother (or are switching to lvm or something else)
02:53<Cyorxamp>This'll go tits up I can see it - I'll just reinstall
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02:54<mikkelorz>dnsmasq does the same as dhcp3-server and bind yeah?
02:54<mikkelorz>cept bind has a zillion features
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02:56<mikkelorz>so many choices *sigh*
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03:46<Knight_Lord>Hi. Did anyone ever installed Lustre with debian?
03:46<Knight_Lord>I'm planning on trying it out and I was wondering how difficult it is to set it up and if anyone has any good pointers?
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03:47<test1>Knight_Lord, what is Lustre ?
03:47<mikkelorz>how do i remove a compiled program? cant remember the automatic way :S
03:48<saltyballz>hi folks
03:48<chealer>mikkelorz: depends on the program
03:48<Knight_Lord>test1 distributed filesystem
03:49<saltyballz>got a problem: I miss my sata2 disk (and the ntfs partitions on it) - a cat /proc/partitions doesn't even show it, any ideas?
03:50<mikkelorz>chealer well i compiled iptables 1.3.8 but forgot to patch it so now i want to remove it and install again with the patches
03:52<mikkelorz>whats the cmd to uninstall?
03:52<mikkelorz>make...something something
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03:53<mikkelorz>saltyballz did you check bios?
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03:54<test1>mikkelorz, usually you can do again make with newer sources and then "make install" to overwrite new compiled on old ones
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03:55<saltyballz>the disk works in windows
03:55<mikkelorz>test1 thanks
03:55<saltyballz>I'm on dual boot right now
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03:56<mikkelorz>saltyballz and you have been able to see your disk before in linux?
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03:56<saltyballz>no - I just moved to linux some time ago and got the other 2 disks to work - just this one is missing
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03:56<mikkelorz>ah well then check if you loaded the drivers
03:57<saltyballz>ahem... how?
03:57<saltyballz>thanks for helping!
03:57<mikkelorz>btw ntfs partitions are a bitch to mount :]
03:57<saltyballz>it works with the other disks - all ntfs partitions
03:57<mikkelorz>ide disks?
03:58<mikkelorz>your kernel needs to support sata
03:58<saltyballz>I'm on lenny
03:58<saltyballz>but recompiled kernel for nvidia support
03:58<mikkelorz>and forgot to include scsi/sata support :]
03:59<saltyballz>god no
03:59<saltyballz>not again
03:59<chealer>saltyballz: does it work with a stock kernel?
03:59<saltyballz>don't know - I didn't try before
03:59<mikkelorz>well it's easy to check make menuconfig ;)
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04:00<mikkelorz>been bugging on a kernel all night/morning myself.. and keep forgetting stuff..
04:00<mikkelorz>shoould never have started
04:00<saltyballz>ah ok wait a second just have to find out again where the kernel sources are
04:01<mikkelorz>my guess would be /usr/src :)
04:02<mikkelorz>then there's a symlink for linux.. and a dir named linux-longversionnumber yeah?
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04:02<saltyballz>yep I'm in the config now
04:03<mikkelorz>well i hope it's only the kernel support.. if it isnt i got no idea what could be the problem ;)
04:03<saltyballz>ok device drivers - Serial ATA wasn't checked
04:03<saltyballz>damnit I'm an idiot
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04:05<mikkelorz>well at least now you wont forget next time ;)
04:05<saltyballz>good point
04:05<saltyballz>now I just have to find the option for my nforce4 chipset
04:06<jm_>that would be nv
04:06<jm_>!which driver
04:06<dpkg>Try to find out which driver supports your device.
04:06<jm_>that will also help
04:07<saltyballz>ok found it
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04:08<chealer>jm_: nv is a Linux option?
04:09<jm_>chealer: the exact option is CONFIG_SATA_NV, it's called NVIDIA SATA support - not hard to miss
04:09<saltyballz>yes I got it selected and saved config
04:10<saltyballz>now I'm searching my howto for the make-kpkg ... ;o) it's all still a bit stressful for me
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04:12<mikkelorz>saltyballz there's a great kernel howto here:
04:12<mikkelorz>well great for newbs like me anyway
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04:13<saltyballz>thanks a lot
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04:15<metaperl>I installed webmin on Debian/Etch and it has been working fine, but now it is not serving... how can I restart it?
04:17<mikkelorz>metaperl in a console type /etc/init.d/webmin restart
04:17<metaperl>ok thanks mikkelorz
04:18<mikkelorz>hm /bin/sh: extensions/.IMQ-test: Permission denied .. means i didnt compile it into the kernel or?
04:18<mikkelorz>nvm.. must be that
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04:20<chealer>jm_: I see. yes, I missed NVIDIA hard disk support too when I compiled my first custom kernels.
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04:22<saltyballz>hm if make-kpkg sais there's nothing to do then I got a problem right?
04:23<mikkelorz>saltyballz did you create the symlink?
04:23<saltyballz>I only went into my old linux- directory - did make menuconfig there
04:24<mikkelorz>ah thats a problem yes
04:24<mikkelorz>well read the guide link.. it's all there.. and its a short read ;)
04:24<saltyballz>I'm on it
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04:27<chajath>hi guys
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04:29<saltyballz>ok thanks mikke! I'm out for a while
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04:32<chajath>i'm having a problem getting sound from flash plugin (version 9) in iceweasel.
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04:32<_steve_>g'day yáll
04:32<chajath>I researched on the web for quite a bit, tried every solutions, but couldn't get the sound..
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04:33<_steve_>got a question, I got oscommerce shop running , but no all of a sudden I can't get to store, browser asks me wich app I want to open file with
04:33<_steve_>i think it has something to do with php
04:33<_steve_>wich version should I use anyway?
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04:38<chealer>_steve_: 5 is recommended
04:39<_steve_>k thnx
04:39<_steve_>but how come i cant reacg page anymore?
04:39<_steve_>I know I fiddled with stuff like apache and php
04:39<chealer>_steve_: PHP is presumably not processing the file anymore
04:40<_steve_>so whats the procedure for me now
04:40<_steve_>btw, ive learned a bit , and beginning to like it :)
04:40<themill>! php wants me to download still
04:40<dpkg>if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser.
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04:42<mikkelorz>_steve_ check your apache error log..
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04:43[~]mikkelorz is wondering why his ssh sessions die each time he does a modprobe
04:43<mikkelorz>hrm.. not even that :SS:S:S
04:44<themill>_steve_: first, we need to know if php is processing the file. When it asks you what to do with the file, open it in an editor to see what it is (is it php code or a blank page)
04:44<mikkelorz>dies randomly! this is odd...
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04:44<_steve_>its code themill
04:44<_steve_>it worked before, but I screwed around a lot with acttualy knowing what I did
04:45<_steve_>I know,....I'm not worthy
04:45<themill>_steve_: ok, and you've emptied your browser cache etc. Browsers have a nasty habit of giving you the same thing again unless you ask really nicely. If you can, try using wget to verify what's happening instead of a browser.
04:45<chealer>_steve_: which Apache version do you use?
04:45<_steve_>I should be flogged and quartered and my remains should be spread from redmond to cupertino
04:46<themill>ok, will do...
04:46<themill>!lart _steve_
04:46[~]dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on _steve_
04:46<_steve_>lol, good question chealer, i think both 2 default and 1.3
04:46<themill>_steve_: do you have a reason to want 1.3? If not, perhaps get rid of it and stick with 2.2 (you're running etch, right?)
04:47<themill>_steve_: the simpler your setup, the easier we can get things back in shape by guesswork over irc...
04:47<_steve_>sure, Ill remove 1.3 now
04:47<_steve_>apt-get remove apache
04:50<themill>_steve_: ok... how customised are your apache configs? Would the path of least resistance be to just revert to the vanilla config files?
04:50<_steve_>after removing apache I can get to a regular page, but now i don;t get de wich app to use error
04:50<_steve_>themill, I think I must explain that a lot of terms are still chinese to me
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04:51<themill>_steve_: that's ok.
04:51<_steve_>i bet I have to relaod apache2 now don;t i
04:51<_steve_>or did I remove too much after doing apt-get remove apache
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04:52<mikkelorz>_steve_ you removed apache 1.3
04:52<themill>_steve_: You're doing fine so far. Don't stress :)
04:53<_steve_>no stress here
04:53<_steve_>and that's remarkable after coming from court because of a 14 yr old daughter
04:53<themill>_steve_: can you give this command (as root) and tell me what it says: netstat -napt|grep apa
04:53<_steve_>sur ehold on themill
04:54<_steve_>netstat -napt|grep apa-napt|grep apa
04:54<mikkelorz>anyone know how i debug my sshd?? i keep getting freeze ups when i use putty ;'(
04:54<_steve_>oops again
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04:55<_steve_>tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 3690/apache2
04:55<themill>mikkelorz: is it the connection that dies or sshd? (can you connect from another box, for example)
04:55<themill>_steve_: excellent. that means that apache2 is running for you and serving pages.
04:55<mikkelorz>themill well putty just freezes then i can reconnect afterwards
04:56<_steve_>yep, now only still the php stuff
04:56<themill>_steve_: now, can you create a simple page (say test.php) with just <?php phpinfo(); ?>
04:57<_steve_>there are allready pages in the dir i want to visit
04:57<themill>mikkelorz: that sounds suspiciously like a local network connection problem at a first guess
04:57<_steve_>and if i go there browser asks me wich app to use
04:58<_steve_>i have regular html a dir higher and that loads fine
04:58<themill>_steve_: yeah, I'd like to start with a fresh page which is really simple so we know it's not a problem with the php commerce stuff you're using.
04:58<mikkelorz>themill well that could very well be.. im messing around with iptables and tc.. but not on that network interface tho
04:59<_steve_>i have several in several dirs, i could look at the other
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04:59<themill>mikkelorz: you're not being fed a different dhcp lease addr or something crazy like that. Or accidentally filtering yourself out....
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04:59<_steve_>other dir does the same
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05:00<_steve_>I try from local machine as wel as a remote LAN machine
05:00<mikkelorz>themill ip's are static. hrm could be the filters.. but cant see how they apply to the LAN interface since im only messing with the wan..
05:01<mikkelorz>themill is there some kind of way to increase logging in sshd?
05:02<_steve_>I have php5 installed, avrything php4 removed, old apache 1.3 removed
05:02<themill>mikkelorz: it's not a flakey wireless connection or something. Yes, you can put sshd into debug mode. invoke-rc.d ssh stop; sshd -d -d -d
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05:02<themill>mikkelorz: reduce the number of -d to reduce the verobosity. 3 of them is probably too many!
05:02<mikkelorz>themill thanks :)
05:03<themill>mikkelorz: but client side debug logging would probably be more useful.... try ssh under cygwin, perhaps
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05:03<chealer>_steve_: is libapache2-mod-php5 installed?
05:03<themill>_steve_: ok. Do you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed
05:04<_steve_>hold on, ill checklibapache2-mod-php5hold on, ill checklibapache2-mod-php5
05:04[~]themill + chealer ... snap
05:04<themill>hey... it's real stereo in here....
05:04<_steve_>cpoying is a crime in terminal, sorry for that
05:04<_steve_>hold on, ill checklibapache2-mod-php5
05:04<_steve_>it says i allready have latest
05:04<chealer>_steve_: which Debian suite do you use?
05:05<_steve_>brb client on tha phone
05:06<chealer>_steve_: is the php5 Apache 2 module enabled?
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05:08<_steve_>how do I see that chealer?
05:08<_steve_>or better yet
05:08<_steve_>how do I enable it
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05:09<themill>_steve_: look for php_module in apache2ctl -M
05:09<themill>sorry -- php5_module
05:10<_steve_>doesn't show up in the list
05:10<chealer>oh, I didn't know that themill. thanks
05:10<chealer>_steve_: # a2enmod php5
05:10<themill>chealer: there's lots of things that apache2ctl can do for you ;)
05:11<themill>chealer: also look at apache2ctl -S for info about vhosts
05:11<_steve_>U GUYS ARE AWESOME!
05:11<themill>_steve_: I take it that it's working now ;)
05:11<_steve_>abso frigging lutely
05:12<_steve_>hold on - i heared my son fell, brb
05:12<chealer>themill: then there must be lots of thins man apache2ctl is hiding :S
05:12<themill>chealer: not much more than that. apache2ctl --help
05:13<themill>ugh... that would be -h
05:14<_steve_>poor kid tried to stand up under my desk in the livingroom
05:14<themill>chealer: actually, the -t is quite handy too. Syntax check the config without stopping/restarting.
05:15<_steve_>anywayz,....thank you dude's!
05:15<themill>no worries.
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05:16<_steve_>I like to lear as much about debian (linux) as I do wintendo and mac, I want to start a helpdesk here where I live
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05:16<_steve_>people should learn to trust opensource OS'ses
05:17<_steve_>and the way vista is going......need i say more
05:17<themill>people should trust free software more than they trust proprietary software. (did someone say sony rootkit?)#
05:17<_steve_>in my opinion they just brought it out sooner because they wer afraid of the BIg apple
05:18<_steve_>I love it the way apple is gaining more ground
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05:20<_steve_>where are you guys from if I may be so bold to ask?
05:21<_steve_>if I remember correctly chealer was from france
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05:24[~]mikkelorz dont like apples.. filled with pesticides
05:24<_steve_>_steve_: look for php_module in apache2ctl -M
05:24<_steve_><themill> sorry -- php5_module
05:24<_steve_><_steve_> doesn't show up in the list
05:24<_steve_><chealer> oh, I didn't know that themill. thanks
05:24<_steve_><chealer> _steve_: # a2enmod php5
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05:25<_steve_>i feel such a twat
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05:27<schichtleita>hi, just installed etch on my new nforce4 machine... during the installation process, everything went fine (NIC was recognized) boot when i booted up for the first time, my NIC was not recognized anymore (no eth0, only lo)... ideas?
05:28<witte>schichtleita: is your network card recognised when you look at lspci
05:29<witte>schichtleita: and can you post that single line containing your network card here?
05:29<techbee> schichtleita: do you have entry like " auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces
05:30<schichtleita>just a moment ;)
05:30<jm_>schichtleita: what does ls /sys/class/net/*/device/driver say?
05:30<jm_>ls -l even
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05:32<schichtleita>okay witte: the only thing regarding ethernet in lspci is the following line: nvidia corporation mc61 ethernet rev a2
05:32<themill>schichtleita: the output of this would be handy too, while you're at it ;) .... lspci -n|grep ^01
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05:34<schichtleita>no output for lspci -n|grep ^01
05:34<schichtleita>according to my motherboards manual, the NIC should be a realtek PHY RTL8201CL, if that is of any help
05:34<witte>schichtleita: I can not find anything on that card on google (did you type correctly?)
05:35<witte>schichtleita: but it looks recognized
05:35<Aciid>how to change tty font size?
05:36<schichtleita>jm_: output is address, addr_len, broadcast, carrier... and so on, cant copy it for obvious reasons
05:36<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
05:36<jm_>schichtleita: ehh? it should say something like this /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/forcedeth/
05:36<witte>schichtleita: unless the obvious reason is htat you do not have network on the machine
05:37<schichtleita>witte: correct
05:38<schichtleita>jm_: sorry i mistyped. it says /sys/class/net/eth1/device/drive => bus pci drivers forcedeth
05:39<jm_>schichtleita: ok so driver is loaded, the issue is elsewhere then
05:39<jm_>Aciid: kernel parameters, or svgatextmode
05:40<techbee>schichtleita: can you try to manually up the interface by running ifup eth0
05:40<Aciid>jm_: thx
05:40<schichtleita>techbee: no such device
05:40<themill>schichtleita: are there any boot messages about your card? dmesg|grep eth
05:41<jm_>schichtleita: did you check interfaces file?
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05:42<schichtleita>themill: orcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nforce ethernet driver version 0.56... eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01849:03ef bount to 0000:00:07.0
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05:43<jm_>Aciid: you can also use consolechars to load different fonts
05:43<jm_>Aciid: that's configurable in /etc/console-tools/config
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05:44<schichtleita>one message i forgot: forcedeth: using highdma
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05:46<schichtleita>interfaces: allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp
05:47<themill>schichtleita: ok... your device is loaded as eth1 not eth0 from what you said earlier to jm_
05:47<jm_>ahh I missed that, sorry
05:47<jm_>schichtleita: fix that in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules
05:48<jm_>if you want it to be eth0 that is
05:48<schichtleita>yes, starting with 1 is ugly... :)
05:48<dpkg>z25 is, like, as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory
05:48<jm_>gotta remember this factoid
05:50<themill>yeah, it's a handy one.
05:50<schichtleita>2 entries there, one eth0, one eth1, one eth0, but same PCI device id... now i'm confused.
05:50<jm_>yeah delete them and it'll be eth0 next time
05:51<jm_>yeah, or delete eth0 and rename eth1 to eth0
05:51<themill>schichtleita: did it also have the same MAC address?
05:51<schichtleita>different MAC
05:52<themill>hmm... so your network card is coming up with a different MAC address from time to time. Hopefully not *every* time....
05:52<jm_>maybe it would work if you simply rename them both to eth0
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05:53<schichtleita>crippled nforce crap, im going to install a pcie intel gigabit adapter when i get to it
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05:53<jm_>it's not that bad actually
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05:54<schichtleita>cool&quiet seems to work... thats good
05:54<jm_>you'll have to re-do this excercise with intel card ;)
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05:54<themill>or just be happy with it being eth1 :)
05:54<jm_>exercise too
05:55<Aciid> jm_: sorry, but can you provide me a exampåle that would change fontsize for TTY1 for example?
05:56<themill>schichtleita: can you dmesg|grep -i "mac add"
05:56<schichtleita>just rebooting
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05:57<jm_>Aciid: try something like consolechars -f lat1u-10
05:57<themill>(I've just been reading about the forcedeth driver complaining about the mac addr on the nv cards so generating a new random one each time ;)
05:57<Aciid>jm_: oki
05:57<jm_>yeah I remember reading about that too somewhere
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05:58<schichtleita>ok, deleted that whole file, then it worked... but will i have to do that on EVERY REBOOT now? i'll give it a try... if so, i will just chmod the file 000, right?
05:59<jm_>well you could simply tweak the rule in that case
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06:00<schichtleita>adding wildcards in the mac?
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06:00<jm_>or maybe match on PCI ID instead
06:00<jm_>(that's only good if you have one card only)
06:00<themill>schichtleita: chmod 444 might work (000 will make it unreadable) and then the card will always be eth1 :)
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06:00<themill>schichtleita: can you dmesg|grep -i "mac add"
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06:01<schichtleita>ok i rebooted => same problem
06:02<themill>schichtleita: but chmoding would be a poor thing to do anyway as the next udev upgrade would probably clobber your changes.
06:02<themill>schichtleita: so there's an extra line in z25 with the same PCI id and a new mac addr.... yay
06:03<jm_>how do MAC-s compare?
06:03<schichtleita>i know that chmod would be a poor workaround ;) since all the mac adresses start with 00:00:6c... are wildcards allowed there
06:03<themill>is there an option to forcedeth that can specify the mac addr, I wonder...
06:04<themill>the mac addr is generated from 00:00:6c and then get_random_bytes(&dev->dev_addr[3], 3);
06:04<schichtleita>i read something on the nvidia page... there is a seperate MAC chip on the mainboard, it says... and linux just doesnt seem to have drivers for it
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06:05<themill>yay for nvidia.... they could always provide the drivers....
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06:05<dpkg>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
06:05<schichtleita>it isnt manufactured by them, they say
06:05<themill>they're still selling it...
06:05<jm_>schichtleita: then use pattern for MAC
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06:07<jm_>hehre there's this in the code:
06:07<jm_>Invalid Mac address detected:
06:07<jm_>Please complain to your hardware vendor. Switching to a random MAC.
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06:07<jm_>do you get that?
06:07<jm_>and then it doex 00:00:6c thing
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06:07<schichtleita>jm: i thought about 00:00:6c:**:**:** whould that work? or how to get the syntax correct?
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06:08<themill>jm_: that's the bit that I was hoping to see with the dmesg |grep -i "mac addr" :)
06:08<jm_>themill: yes it just occured to me you were checking the same thing
06:08<jm_>schichtleita: 00:00:6c:* should do it IIRC
06:08<schichtleita>jm_: ok, thinking to complicated, again
06:09<themill>schichtleita: I know little about udev rules, but you'd use ?? not **, or just do what jm_ said.
06:10<schichtleita>hum, i wonder if my router supports wildcards for static dhcp, rather not i think... thank you guys, would never have figured that out on my own...
06:10<jm_>schichtleita: shell wildcard rules apply, it's explained in "Writing udev rules" document
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06:11<themill>schichtleita: can you use a static network config rather than dhcp in that case?
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06:12<schichtleita>themill: it will do for a while... i'm thining about changing to gigabit anyway, then i will install a decent nic
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06:13<themill>fair enough... happy hunting!#
06:13<schichtleita>i heard that intel nics worked best with linux? is that correct?
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06:14<dondelelcaro>pretty much any nic will work fine
06:14<dondelelcaro>though some NICs have really atrocious hardware
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06:18<schichtleita>i hope amd will continue releasing specifications... setting a good example for the other manufacturers
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06:22<L6C6F6R>hi all
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06:22<BoBoBoSs>how close a port on my linux ?
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06:27<L6C6F6R>netstat -l to get the program behind your port and then kill it
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06:28<Brownout>or netstat -p ?
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06:29<L6C6F6R>Brownout, even better !
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06:32<Jasons>BoBoBoSs: turn off whatever is keeping it open
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06:36<indraveni>hi all
06:36<indraveni>in my system, i executed the command,, syslinux /dev/sdb1
06:37<indraveni>and it threw an output as,
06:37<indraveni>Syntax error at line 1 column 6 in file /root/.mtoolsrc: drive letter expected
06:37<indraveni>and my file, /root/.mtoolsrc, is having only one line as,
06:37<indraveni>and my file, /root/.mtoolsrc, is having only one line as,
06:37<indraveni>drive sdb1: file="/dev/sdb1"
06:37<indraveni>what does that error message mean ?
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06:38<gsimmons_>indraveni: The syntax within your .mtoolsrc file is incorrect (see /etc/mtools.conf).
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06:40<indraveni>gsimmons_, but I am not in windows, then how can i use c:
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06:42<gsimmons_>indraveni: What are you trying to do?
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06:42<haugha>Anyone have a clue why squid stops.. getting this message in /var/log/messages every 5 second: Squid Parent: child process 4643 started.... Squid Parent: child process 4637 exited due to signal 25
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06:43<kerneld>haugha: SIGXFSZ 25,25,31 Core File size limit exceeded (4.2BSD)
06:43<kerneld> Manual page signal(7) line 95
06:43<indraveni>gsimmons_, in the flexible way, check the step, syslinux /dev/sda1
06:44<haugha>kerneld, what does that mean?
06:44<kerneld>haugha: Thats the symbolic name of the signal. File size limit exceeded. One of you logs may need to be rotated - the access log maybe?
06:45<haugha>kerneld, seems like the root filesystem is full! :-)
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06:46<gsimmons_>indraveni: Remove /root/.mtoolsrc and run syslinux again.
06:46<indraveni>gsimmons_, ok
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06:52<indraveni>gsimmons_, yes it woked now
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06:53<indraveni>gsimmons_, thankyou
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06:53<gsimmons_>indraveni: np
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06:54<haugha>kerneld, /core is 107899 bytes in size.. do you know if I can delete that file?
06:55<jm_>file /core
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06:55<haugha>root@donski:/# file /core
06:55<haugha> /core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), SVR4-style, from 'squid'
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06:55<jm_>there you go
06:56<jm_>see what default action is for signal 25 - et voila
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07:04<schichtleita>hi, another question (probably pretty easy to answer though). for cool&quiet to work, i need to modprobe the involved modules... which startup script should i use to load them?
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07:04<jm_>man modules
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07:05<rodrigo02>meu penis
07:05<sergio01>meu pau no seu cu
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07:07<techbee>!sergio01 is spamming
07:07<dpkg>okay, techbee
07:07<jm_>!forget sergio01
07:07<dpkg>jm_: i forgot sergio01
07:07<sergio01>nao conpreendo o seu idioma
07:07<sergio01>eu sou do brasil
07:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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07:10<haugha>kerneld, "Squid Parent: child process 3247 exited due to signal 25" still comes.. even when the / filesystem aint full
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07:11<haugha>kerneld, any idea what else it could be?
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07:16<schichtleita>thnx, 've loaded the modules alright, now where should i put the following commands for automatic execution on system start? echo ondemand >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor and echo 1 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/ignore_nice_load
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07:16<jm_>you can use several packages for that
07:16<jm_>sysfsutils is one., cpufrequtils is another
07:17<schichtleita>any recommandation?
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07:18<jm_>doesn't matter really, cpufrequtils also has -info tool to show current status
07:18<jm_>sysfsutils is more generic
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07:22<schichtleita>works nice... thats less pain than setting that up in windows
07:22<jm_>really? I thought AMD driver is simply install & reboot
07:23<schichtleita>well, yes. theoretically. like everything in windows
07:24<schichtleita>but if you want to customize things you are screwed
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07:32<haugha>Anyone got a log rotate script?
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07:36<tweakt>haugha, apt-get install logrotate ?
07:38<haugha>tweakt, do you know how I use that program?
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07:39<tweakt>for a new log file, you'll need to create a new file in /etc/logrotate.d/
07:39<tweakt>use one that's there as an example
07:39<tweakt>'man logrotate' explains the options
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07:40<tweakt>its set to run daily via cron
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07:40<haugha>Ok. seems like squid already got a configuration file
07:40<mikkelorz>how do i go about removing a kpkg made kernel?
07:41<haugha>tweakt, how do I run the logrotate script.. so I can test it?
07:41<mikkelorz>dpkg -P vmlinuz- dosnt work :/
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07:42<tweakt>'logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf'
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07:43<tweakt>be warned, that will rotate ALL the logs
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07:55<haugha>tweakt, thanks :-)
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08:10<jm_>Ganneff: have you tried cpm for password manager?
08:10<@Ganneff>o such package
08:10<jm_>ohh there are only unofficial debs, I forgot
08:10<roderyk>something changed recently on my system and xorg broke. problem is... not sure what changed. all I see is an aiglx error, but after line 51 the screen just blanks (even ctrl-alt-backspace does not work or switching to another tty, I have to do a forced shutdown)
08:11<roderyk>could the aiglx error cause this kind of behavior? I'm confused at the lack of information on the crash
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08:16<@Ganneff>jm_: while it generally sounds good there is one drawback: it has to show the password in clear so that i can get it into another app. im not sure i like that.
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08:18<jm_>Ganneff: hmm I am not quite sure I understand - you don't want it to show cleartext passwords or you want it to show them?
08:19<roderyk>ok, that's just crazy. Whatever you do, don't have an empty /etc/modprobe.conf b/c it won't even bother looking at /etc/modprobe.d/. My xorg works again ><
08:19<jm_>well now that question doesn't make much sense since we're talking about something that encrypts passwords, but I don't quite understand your concern
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08:30<@Ganneff>jm_: i dont want to see passwords. like - when i want to login somewhere and someone else is in the room i would like to copy/paste stuff over without every seeing the pass. (yes, having swap and suspend partitions encrypted as well as your normal partition is a minimum for this)
08:31<jm_>Ganneff: ahh OK, that makes sense, yeah it lacks that, although it's doable since you can call it in non-interactive mode and put that to X paste buffer or so
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08:32<@Ganneff>jm_: which makes it similar uncomfortable as simply having an encrypted text file :)
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08:32<jm_>Ganneff: yeah true
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08:34<lontra>hi i am trying to install vmware workstation and it says my current version of gcc is 4.2.1 and that it doesn't match the gcc of the kernel (4.1.3) ... it says that it may crash, how can i get gcc 4.1.3?
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08:37<mikkelorz>lontra may crash.. problably wont tho :)
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08:37<themill>mikkelorz: the kernel module might be a problem though....
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08:39<mikkelorz>themill true
08:39<lontra>it says /tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/Makefile:90: *** Inappropriate build environment: you wanted to use gcc version 4.2.1 while kernel attempts to use gcc version 4.1.3. ... and then it poops out
08:39<themill>lontra: what kernel are you using?
08:39<lontra>but i have /usr/bin-gcc.4.1 but it won't let me specify that
08:39<lontra>i am using 2.6.22-2-686
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08:39<lupine_85>lontra: CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1.3 <command>
08:39<themill>lontra: ahh... you can use update-alternatives to change which gcc is pointed to by /usr/bin/gcc
08:42<lontra>themill: update-alternatives didn't ask me about gcc
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08:42<lontra>There is only 1 program which provides cc (/usr/bin/gcc). Nothing to configure.
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08:43[~]themill scratches head....
08:43<lontra>i have gcc-4.1 and gcc-4.2 installed
08:44<lontra>lupine_85: i tried that command but that didn't work
08:44<lupine_85>hmm. fail makefile is fail
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08:44<lupine_85>but then, it is VMWare
08:44[~]lupine_85 uses qemu + kqemu for all his virtualisation. Much less hassle
08:45<themill>might be cc not gcc that you need to target for alternatives. (I've been monkeying with java alternatives not gcc ones recently...)
08:45<themill>kvm :)
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08:45<lupine_85>well, my CPU isn't that 1337
08:45<lontra>i dn't think i can use qemu
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08:45<themill>just don't suspend-to-disk if you have kvm kernel modules loaded!
08:45<themill>lupine_85: and the usb handling in qemu is still pretty crappy and is *very* slow. (not that I have vmware installed...)
08:46<lupine_85>heh, the USB is absolutely crap, I do agree
08:46<lupine_85>I've never needed to use it, though
08:46<themill>I tried using qemu + usb + garmin mapsource for my gps... gave up... it was just too fscking slow.
08:47<lontra>yeah i need to use arceditor so i wanted to use vmware
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08:50<lontra>well i tricked it by remove gcc-4.2 temporarily
08:50<themill>lontra: that was my next, albeit inelegant, suggestion...
08:50<lontra>themill: yeah it's weak that i have to do that
08:52<themill>debian has a /usr/bin/gcc symlink, but it doesn't seem to be managed though the alternatives system. Don't quite understand that.... don't know what the point of it is.
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08:53<themill>lontra: of course, lupine_85's suggestion of specifying CC should work. It's a shitty makefile that doesn't respect that.
08:54<lontra>yeah i understand
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08:56<themill>lontra: for amusement, read through why:
08:56<themill>lontra: it's the maintainer's call... I understand the g++ problem, but it still seems pretty daft to me.
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09:04<mikkelorz>how do i go about uninstalling my compiled kernel? (used make-kpkg)
09:05<mikkelorz>my boot dir needs some serious cleanup!
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09:06<themill>apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.blah...
09:06<themill>tab completion can be your friend if you've got it enabled
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09:08<mikkelorz>themill dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove which isn't installed.
09:09<themill>so it's not installed then ;) is it actually in /boot?
09:09<mikkelorz>yeah it is
09:09<lupine_85>you got the package name wrong, then
09:10<lupine_85>if you're running the kernel atm, then dpkg -r linux-image-`uname -r`
09:10<lupine_85>(or you can use apt-get, of course)
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09:10<mikkelorz>ah that gave a response :)
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09:14<lupine_85>you just uninstalled your current kernel. I hope that was the one you wanted to remove ;)
09:14<lupine_85>make sure you have a valid kernel installed before you reboot, at any rate
09:15<lontra>xen is faster than vmware/qemu and the like right? is it well supported in debian?
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09:16<mikkelorz>lupine_85 hm.. the warning message about hosing my system made me boot into my standard debian kernel
09:17<lupine_85>lontra: fairly well-supported, I think. There are packages in testing and unstable
09:18<lupine_85>mikkelorz: so you just removed the standard debian kernel? congratulations
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09:19<mikkelorz>lupine_85 nah didnt remove anything just yet ;) i want to remove my newly compiled kernel.. keeping the standard kernel in grub untill i get my own compilations right
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09:22<lontra>mikkelorz: smart decision ;)
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09:41<buffoon_work>does anybody know one or some tools to test a servers hardware (not for performance but stability)
09:42<buffoon_work>i mean like memtest or similar but for more or less all components of the hardware
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09:51<Aleric>Can someone help me troubleshoot my sound please?
09:52<Aleric>It has worked fine for a long time, but today, suddenly, when I click 'play' on xmms.. I get an error saying that I have to check if the sound card is properly configured and/or some other application is blocking the soundcard :/
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09:52<Aleric>I don't really know what to check :\
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09:53<Aleric>I did re-run alsaconf, but that didn't help
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09:53<Aleric>I didn't touch the config of xmms, so that should still be right. That leaves another application blocking the device, but which?
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09:55<phinaliumz>Aleric, I have used command 'fuser /dev/dsp' to see what application is using the soundcard
09:55<Aleric>Cannot stat /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
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09:56<Aleric>I think that is OSS, I use ALSA.
09:56<seanius>maybe /dev/dsp0 ?
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09:56<Aleric>java 21674 carlo mem CHR 116,16 12392 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
09:56<Aleric>Maybe that..
09:57<Aleric>Hmm, it was firefox
09:57<Aleric>Had to close 9 tabs, grrr.
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09:58<Aleric>I wish someone would fix linux and make it possible to play sound from multiple applications :p
09:58<lupine_85>eh, I can
09:58<Aleric>I only can with this soundcard. With another soundcard it's impossible.
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09:59<Aleric>Can't use the soundcard on my motherboard because then I can't use xmms and ut2004 at the same time (to name two)
09:59<phinaliumz>Now with etch I can play sound with multiple applications though
09:59<Aleric>I don't know why xmms didn't want to start now :/
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09:59<phinaliumz>Why I have no idea :)
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10:02<chealer>buffoon_work: cpuburn, smartmontools
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10:03<Aleric>ARGH - it does NOT work?!?
10:03<Aleric>I don't have sound anymore with UT2004 now!
10:04<Aleric>Something is seriously broken :\
10:04<buffoon_work>chealer, ok, checking it out... thx
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10:15<Aleric>The problem is indeed (for ut2004):
10:15<Aleric>24844 open("/dev/sound/dsp", O_WRONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
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10:16<Aleric>How is it possible that /dev/dsp suddenly doesn't exist anymore?
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10:16<Aleric>Which kernel module is needed for /dev/dsp ?
10:17<amphi>perhaps you need to modprobe snd_pcm_oss ?
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10:18<Aleric>amphi: Yep, that was it :)
10:19<Aleric>What do I need to add to /etc/modutils.conf to automate that?
10:20<cahoot>does that file evene exist?
10:20<amphi>dunno - you could just add snd_pcm_oss to /etc/modules
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10:38<Aleric>How can I regenerate /etc/modules.conf ?
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10:46<nent>how I can stop NetworkManager and dhclient and what I must change not to start these daemons on boot?
10:46<sutula>Aleric: The first line of my modules.conf says "### This file is automatically generated by update-modules"
10:47<Aleric>sutula: I know
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10:47<Aleric>Run it :p
10:47<seanius>modules.conf is more or less deprecated afaik
10:47[~]sutula is afraid to do that :)
10:47<Aleric>(it doesn't do anything, so that is safe). Or read its man page
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10:47<seanius>you can auto-load modules by putting it in /etc/modules
10:47<Aleric>seanius: What is replacing it?
10:47<seanius>Aleric: modprobe.conf / modprobe.d
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10:48<Aleric>seanius: That is depricated too, you should only put modules in /etc/modules that are absolutely needed to boot.
10:48<petemc>and the fact that modules should be loaded automatically
10:48[~]seanius gets really pissed when he sees config files that say 'this file is autogenerated do not edit it'
10:48<Aleric>Ie, modules to get the harddisk working
10:49<Aleric>I have /etc/modprobe.d/ but I do NOT have /etc/modprobe.conf
10:49<seanius>Aleric: generally udev or other userland initiated events should trigger modules to be loaded automagically, but if they don't i just echo it into /etc/modules and never think about it again
10:50<seanius>Aleric: modprobe.conf doesn't exist by default but will be read if it exists
10:50<cahoot>Aleric, /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base loads snd-pcm-oss here (it it's what you're still pondering)
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10:50<seanius>modprobe.d is for other packages to place config files to work with modprobe
10:50<seanius>i.e. alsa, like cahoot just mentioned
10:50<Aleric>cahoot: Then why didn't it do that here?
10:51<cahoot>alsaconf is broken IIRC
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10:52<Aleric>cahoot: What is the relevant in your /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base ?
10:52<Aleric>relevant line*
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10:52<cahoot>you have no such file?
10:53<Aleric>Yes I do, but snd-pcm-oss wasn't loaded
10:53<cahoot>install snd-pcm /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-pcm && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet snd-pcm-oss ; : ; }
10:53<Aleric>I have that too ... well.
10:56<cahoot>Aleric, you've already run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound.base?
10:56<cahoot>Aleric, err dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base
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10:57<Aleric>cahoot: That prints just:
10:57<Aleric>* The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!
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11:01<seanius>Aleric: that's from the update-modules command, which was formerly responsible for the now-deprecated modules.conf
11:01<seanius>i.e. "this file is automatically generated, don't edit it!"
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11:04<cahoot>Aleric, what happends if you run invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload? snd-pcm-oss gets pulled?
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11:19<euthymos>what is the best C++ command line compiler?
11:19<dli_>euthymos: g++
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11:20<euthymos>package g++ has no installation candidates
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11:20<azeem>euthymos: which version of Debian are you running?
11:20<dondelelcaro>euthymos: because it's part of gcc
11:20<euthymos>package gcc has no installation candidates
11:20<azeem>Package: g++
11:21<azeem>euthymos: get a regular sources.list then
11:21<azeem>!info g++ etch
11:21<dpkg>g++: (The GNU C++ compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
11:21<euthymos>I see
11:21<dondelelcaro>if you don't have g++ or gcc, you've got issues
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11:21<euthymos>what's the best package source?
11:21<euthymos>the official one?
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11:22<jagerman>one of the many official ones
11:22<jagerman>Unofficial debian sources sound a bit scary
11:22<euthymos>ehm...where can I find them, please?
11:22<dpkg>[debian mirrors] or | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see
11:22<euthymos>tank you a lot
11:23<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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11:24<dpkg>well, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade
11:24<fxiny>5 ? can it count now ?
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11:25<fxiny>how are you ?
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11:43<Aleric>cahoot: Yes, if I run invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload it's loaded.
11:44<cahoot>Aleric, so there is hope
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11:45<ErJeDi>hi fxiny
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11:46<fxiny>ErJeDi: hi hi , set sail :)
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11:47<ErJeDi>fxiny: what's sail in spanish ?
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11:47<fxiny>ErJeDi: dunno : navigacion ? something like that
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11:48<ErJeDi>with a boat :)
11:48<fxiny>ErJeDi: play a spanish warcraft version to double check it :)
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11:49<ErJeDi>ajam :)
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11:49<fxiny>jam ? lovely : that's entertainment ...
11:50[~]co_funky is away: Gone away for now.
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11:51[~]fxiny wonders if a dj punk plays barry manylow
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11:57<dannys>poli kosmo
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12:08<fxiny>hmmm : etch emacs21 muse-mode tab not working ?
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12:11<fxiny>seems like that : can anyone rename a file file.muse and check if tab works assuming muse-el is installed?
12:12<fxiny>could be my set up
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12:31<zulu>amarok cannot play ogg? xine can is there a special package to install?
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12:32<chealer_>zulu: ask #debian-kde
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12:51[~]kevinl_ kicks in the nuts
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12:52<kevinl_>when its comes to kernel builds and modules, i686 different than "Pentium III"
12:52<kevinl_>I used the exact kernel source directory that I build my kernel from as the headers directory for building a module, but it will not load
12:52<petemc>you need to use the same version of gcc
12:53<kevinl_>I did
12:53<kevinl_>i built everything from everything source directory and same gcc
12:53<petemc>what does it say when you try to load it?
12:53<kevinl_>unknown symbol
12:53<kevinl_>so the vmware config script barfs
12:53<kevinl_>i opened the module in text edito.. and i noticed it says "Pentium III"
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12:54<kevinl_>uname -a says i686
12:54<kevinl_>i think that its the same thing? but it maybe is causing the issue, i dont know
12:54<kevinl_>vmware's configure script asks for the kernel headers directory, i specified /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.21/include
12:55<kevinl_>i built the running kernel from that source tree, its the *exact* same directory
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12:55<kevinl_>but it builds the kernel modules, and they wont load :(
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13:09<hachi>/etc/network/options was depricated at some spoint, what's the new place for these things?
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13:10<dnanar>hi all !
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13:12<cahoot>kevinl, different gcc-versions?
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13:12<dnanar>i'm trying to install java support for iceweasel. I installed iceweasel and sun-java6-plugin, but about:plugins does not show me any java stuff. /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ points to /etc/alternatives/ which points to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/ May anyone help me please ?
13:13<cahoot>didn't use java-pkg?
13:13<chenaillou>can someone help me ? I have a boot problem after installation of new kernel of Lenny (2.6.21), it stops to (initramfs) at reboot and failed to mount /sys /dev and /proc an idea ?
13:13<dnanar>cahoot: java-pkg ?
13:14<cahoot>dnanar, /msg dpkg java-package
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13:14<xBelial14x>hello ??
13:14<dnanar>cahoot: isn't it better to directly use debian packages ?
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13:15<cahoot>dnanar, sorry I obviously misunderstood your input
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13:17<dnanar>cahoot: ah yes i forgotten to say that i installed those software through debian packages :)
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13:17<xBelial14x>ähm can someone help me: i need the libc-devel to install a nvidia driver but i have no idea where to get this
13:18<xBelial14x>apt-get does not work
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13:20<dnanar>anyone has got an idea please ?
13:20<chenaillou>also for me ... ?
13:21<xBelial14x>and for me :)
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13:21<dnanar>it does not put any error message chenaillou (are you french with this name ?) ?
13:22<dnanar>xBelial14x: aptitude search libc :)
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13:22<cahoot> aptitude show libc6-dev
13:22<chenaillou>yes I am french, the only error message I get is that it fails to mount these /proc /sys and /dev ans "target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
13:23<xBelial14x>never used aptitude bevore :)
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13:25<cahoot>xBelial14x, you might want to read this:
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13:29<Evil_Lyra>hi there, a very quick question
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13:29<Evil_Lyra>should I use the arch amd64 to install on a intel Xeon Quad?
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13:37<oz__>can someone help with wierd problem related to apache-docs ?
13:37<oz__>I installed the package but I can't read the manulls ?
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13:38<Evil_Lyra>oz__: the online manuals?
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13:39<oz__>the package called apache2-doc
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13:41<isuckatlinux>sda es hda before with the new kernel? or is it sata
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13:42<oz__>Evil_Lyra, when I go to file:///usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/faq/index.html in firefox I get an ugly text msg instead of expected manual
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13:44<Evil_Lyra>oz__: hm... the content of this file is a list of pointer to other files
13:44<Evil_Lyra>you should try index.html.en
13:45<Evil_Lyra>if you can read english of course :-) (kidding..)
13:46<oz__>Evil_Lyra, well it works... now I feel really stupid...
13:46<Evil_Lyra>oz__: :-)
13:46<oz__>Evil_Lyra, that kind of stuff shoulb be mentiond in the Readme :-{
13:47<oz__>well now I have to see how I play with that... I pretty much noob with apache
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14:01<hachi>/etc/network/interfaces has this option for a dhcp config interface called 'hostname', but it doesn't seem to do anything
14:01<hachi>does anyone know if it works properly?
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14:01<hachi>also /etc/network/options was depricated at some point, where's the new place for those options? I don't see anything in /etc/default
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14:03<sepski>you can give additional options in each stanca. do you find what your looking for in man interfaces
14:04<hachi>I've read that many times, over many years now
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14:04<hachi>do I need to repeat my question?
14:04<hachi>the hostname option doesn't appear to do anything... yes the manpage says it does
14:04<hachi>but it's not doing anything
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14:05<colby>i have had to do that using dhclient.conf (send host-name "hostname"), interfaces never worked
14:06<hachi>yeah, but I don't want to do that because I have a wireless and a wired interface in this machine
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14:06<hachi>I don't want the wireless one to request the same hostname... the dns server here at work will just do the wrong thing
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14:06<colby>hmm, dhclient does have an interface string, but i can't say i've had to use it
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14:08<oz__>Evil_Lyra, you still fill like helping me with that apache ?
14:08<Evil_Lyra>oz__: dont ask to ask, just ask
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14:09<oz__>Evil_Lyra, it wont start, I get that msg: /etc/init.d/apache2 start
14:09<oz__>Starting web server (apache2)... failed!
14:09<oz__>Evil_Lyra, can you explain ?
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14:09<peterS>oz__: yeah read /var/log/apache2/error.log for a start
14:09<Evil_Lyra>look at the logs
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14:10<oz__>Evil_Lyra, peterS: There you go - Couldn't create a Thread Safe Pollset. Is it supported on your platform? that's the error
14:10<oz__>which means nothing to me
14:11<Evil_Lyra>hm... perhaps you got the "wrong" apache2
14:11<Evil_Lyra>which package you installed?
14:11<peterS>oz__: so hmmm. I'm guessing you are running kernel 2.4.27 and apache2 from unstable?
14:12<oz__>no... just plain etch... I am really noob so there is not much twicking
14:12<peterS>oz__: kernel 2.4.27? type 'uname -r'
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14:13<oz__>I need to install that package ?
14:13<peterS>oz__: I'm asking what kernel version you have
14:13<stew>oz__: just type "uname -r" and tell us what it says
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14:14<peterS>oz__: weird - so much for my theory then. I haven't heard of your problem before.
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14:14<Evil_Lyra>oz__: plz, run a dpkg -l | grep apache2
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14:15<Evil_Lyra>i never saw this error either
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14:15<peterS>oz__: he's wondering whether you have 'apache2-mpm-prefork' or 'apache2-mpm-worker' or another mpm package
14:15<oz__>well I guess it by Evil_Lyra .... had to install that package... for some reason I had another
14:15<peterS>you have some package named apache2-mpm-{something}, we're wondering which one
14:15<oz__>I had the mpm-worker
14:15<peterS>yeah, mpm-prefork might work better for you
14:16<oz__>now I have pre-fork. directing to local-host works
14:16<oz__>10x guys...
14:16<peterS>no problem
14:16<oz__>now I need to install sql-ledger... are you by chance familiar with that ?
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14:25<nenti>how I can stop NetworkManager and dhclient daemons and how I can configure my system not to start them at boot
14:26<stew>nenti: /etc/init.d/network-manager stop ; update-rc.d -f network-manager remove
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14:26<nenti>I will try
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14:28<nenti> /etc/init.d/network-manager: No such file or directory
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14:28<seanius>stew: that's not how you disable init scripts anyway
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14:29<Eleazar>alguien me dice donde me puedo bajar la imagen del cd?
14:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:30<stew>seanius: how then?
14:30<stew>nenti: what version of network-manager do you have installed?
14:30<nenti>I dont' know
14:31<stew>nenti: what does "apt-cache policy network-manager" say for "Installed:"?
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14:31<seanius>stew: i usually mv /etc/rc2.d/SNNservice /etc/rc2.d/KNNservice
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14:31<seanius>stew: othewrise, the next upgrade will re-enable the service
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14:33<oz__>can some one tell me where is the html file that desplays 'it work' etch (apache2)
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14:35<oz__>ignore my ques... I found it
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14:38<nenti>"locate" find something about network-manager only in these dirs: /usr/lib/ /usr/share/doc/ /var/lib/dpkg/info/
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14:42<nenti>how I can find in which directory is network-manager
14:42<nenti>hoe to stop it
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14:49<cahoot>nenti, tried invoke-rc.d network-manager stop?
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14:59<nenti>invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/network-manager not found
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15:00<cahoot>nenti, introduced in sid then (exists here)
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15:02<nenti>I can't understand you
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15:04<geekaia>boa tarde pessoal eu gostaria de saber se um software para gerenciamento de cluster como o openmosix
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15:04<geekaia>porque eu pretendo montar um cluster aqui onde trabalho
15:04<geekaia> e soube que o openmosix vai parar o desenvolvimento
15:05<Evil_Lyra>geekaia: english please
15:05<dpkg>rumour has it, en is english
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15:07<geekaia>I am not see who this channel are in english
15:07<geekaia>because I has typed /j #debian-br
15:08<geekaia>and my computer not yet has loaded the channel debian-br
15:08<Evil_Lyra>geekaia: vc esta no #debian e nao no #debian-br
15:09<geekaia>all right
15:10<geekaia>I have a doubt ?
15:10<geekaia>has am alternative to openmosix and who work very well as it
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15:11<geekaia>because i have to configurate a cluster Linux
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15:12<geekaia>and i only find the openmosix and mosix to do
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15:29<Supaplex>I need a bridge interface to settle before dhcp fires up. should I put 'sleep 3' in pre-up? or is that too soon? post-up would be after dhcp fires up right?
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15:30<lupine_85>Supaplex: personally, I'd call it a static interface and post-up dhclient br0
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15:30<Supaplex>mmm nice idea.
15:31<Supaplex>very nice :)
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15:43<chalcedony>how do I change settings in lynx-cur ?
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15:51<ReedWood>Hello. Can someone tell me if tiff support is removed from debian's texlive?
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16:08<kurumin>biscates putas
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16:09<amphi>'prostitute biscuits'?
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16:23<apeitheo>I'm running lenny--if I put some sid repositories in my sources file and set lenny to be my default, when I try to install something from sid that depends on other sid files, does it automatically resolve those dependencies (by downloading other files from sid, even if it needs to write over certain lenny files) or not?
16:24<lupine_85>depends on how you've set up your priorities
16:24<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see
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16:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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16:53<lupine_85>"unlikely to live up to Debian's standards"... :D
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16:54<jagerman>lupine_85: Firefox vs. iceweasel seems a good example.
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16:58<Gunstick>hi there....
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16:59<Gunstick>maybe this balongs in an apche chat, but anyway I ask here. I have my good old server, running in locale en-US with apache. now users upload files wich are encoded in UTF8. I found no way to get around an annoying 404
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17:16<padski>how do I get flash to work on my g4 ?
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17:17<ben_goodger>you purchase adobe systems, inc. and send a top-down memo instructing an immediate port to an obsolete architecture
17:17<simonrvn>the flash you get in non-free doesn't run on ppc
17:17<apeitheo>would it be better to use stable and just install more modern packages as they come along in testing or run testing and install certain packages in sid?
17:17<padski>ben_goodger: why didn't I think of that :-)
17:18<simonrvn>obsolete, my ass
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17:18<padski>ben_goodger: be sure and tell sony its obsolete
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17:19<padski>apeitheo: depends what you want to achieve
17:19<simonrvn>so i guess having an arch that's already ready for 64bit from the start is obsolete
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17:19<ben_goodger>percentage of computers sold with PPCs in them: 0.00001%. percentage of overpriced, horrifyingly bloated, locked-down, restrictive games consoles sold with PPCs in them: 0.00002%
17:19<apeitheo>padski: well it'd be nice to have some modern packages like a year from now
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17:19<simonrvn>ben_goodger: cite actual data please. don't make crap up.
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17:20<apeitheo>padski: since new features aren't put in stable, it'd be nice to have some of the newer (but still somewhat stable) testing packages
17:20<ben_goodger>sorry, I don't have figures as to the PS3's marketshare in the field of lockdown artistry
17:20<simonrvn>ps3 is just one of many...
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17:21<simonrvn>when you're done trolling, you can come back
17:21<padski>ben_goodger: its still way better than any windows machine you can buy. and while I much prefer linux, we could still pick up a trick or two from the mac.
17:21<ben_goodger>er, yes
17:21<ben_goodger>but they run on x86-64.
17:22<ben_goodger>I'm just pointing out that adobe will see PPC as obsolete, as there is no market for flash on it since nobody sells proper computers that use it any more
17:22<dpkg>backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport>
17:22<padski>apeitheo: like that ? ^^^^
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17:23<simonrvn>ben_goodger: they wouldn't do it when apple was still making ppc h/w. your argument is TBH, BS
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17:23<lupine_85>can we get flash on RISC PCs ?
17:24<ben_goodger>no, _macromedia_ wouldn't do it when apple was selling PPC hardware
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17:24<ben_goodger>not sure why, really
17:24<simonrvn>difference being? they still won't
17:24<ben_goodger>but adobe are even less likely to do it now that no proper computers are sold with PPC hardware
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17:24<simonrvn>ok, one more troll like that, and i'll remove you
17:25<ben_goodger>that's not a troll
17:25<lupine_85>maybe when it becomes necessary to have flash on the PS3, they'll get it
17:25<padski>ben_goodger: I'm just annoyed that you tube doesn't seem to want to know about my libflash installation. I am so tired of this proprietary nonsense that I started avoiding all instances of it a long time ago. guess what ? it doesn't work on my arm-based palmtop either. and that isn't obsolete. what's that it works under windows ? damn what am I some kind of troll.
17:25<lupine_85>you could help out with gnash development
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17:25<padski>lupine_85: what is gnash ?
17:25<lupine_85>better - by far - than libflash
17:25<lupine_85>but still crap
17:26<padski>lupine_85: lol
17:26<lupine_85>(GNU implementation of flash)
17:26<ben_goodger>padski: obviously not. but adobe is no more interested in your arm than they are in a ppc, but that's not relevant - I just wish to point out that _nobody sells real computers with PPC hardware any more_ and hence it doesn't make any business sense whatsoever for them to port it
17:26<lupine_85>last I checked, it still didn't do youtube. That could have changed recently
17:26<ben_goodger>the arm is most likely along the same distorted lines of thought
17:26<stew>lupine_85: it changed with .8
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17:26<ben_goodger>I don't know, I don't own one
17:27<lupine_85>no, I think I tried .8
17:27<stew>lupine_85: yes. .8
17:27<ben_goodger>I'll vouch for that here, I remember testing it
17:27<lupine_85>yep. and YouTube didn't work
17:27<lupine_85>for me, anyway
17:28<stew>and i'm currently using 0.8.1~rcsomething and it works
17:28<ben_goodger>any particular error?
17:28<lupine_85>the "pretty black box" error
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17:29<padski>ben_goodger: I see it is proprietary and only works on x86 as a real problem. worse perhaps than if they never supported linux at all.
17:29<padski>stew: you have it working ?
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17:30<lupine_85>well, if it works now that's good to here
17:30<Downix>I am having little luck getting Debian on my laptop here
17:30<ben_goodger>padski: debatable... as far as adobe can see, there is a 90% marketshare for win/mac and a 9.8% marketshare for i386 linux (figures invented for illustrative purposes)
17:30<ben_goodger>oh, and x86-64 in that 9.8
17:30<ben_goodger>the 0.2% doesn't matter to them...
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17:31<Downix>It doesn't have a CD-ROM so tried floppy install, but the network drivers don't include the IBM Credit Card Ethernet II adaptor
17:31<ben_goodger>this is going along the lines of games programmers, who won't justify the alleged cost of porting to opengl because they can see only the 0.2% costing them $600k
17:32<padski>ben_goodger: cross-platform portability was an important part of you tube using flash.
17:32<simonrvn>and ogl is supposedly cross-platform...
17:32<Downix>ben_goodger: They fail to grasp the increased sales from broader exposure
17:32<ben_goodger>yes, the logic escapes me there.
17:32<lupine_85>Downix: sounds... olde. How about a hard disk boot?
17:33<Downix>simonrvn: It is. Hell, i can get it on a 1985 Amiga! If that's not cross-platform I don't know what is.
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17:33<padski>ben_goodger: the support of linux users could tip the balance. we were bought off. "the enemy of our enemy is our freind." and maybe it will work out ok in the end.
17:33<lupine_85>also, it's hard to get increased sales from a free product
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17:33<ben_goodger>well, actually you have to run on directx and opengl anyway if you want to be cross-platform because the xbox360 doesn't do opengl
17:33<Downix>lupine_85: It is old, and I don't have an IDE adaptor for the hard drive. Went SCSI on my desktop decades ago and never looked back
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17:34<lupine_85>as long as you can boot from it, you should be fine
17:34<Downix>lupine: there's nothing on it to boot from
17:34<ben_goodger>padski: again, cross-platform means "windows, macintosh and linux" here, regrettably
17:34<ben_goodger>flash is, on average, a hell of a lot easier to deal with than media player plugins
17:35<ben_goodger>at least within the "windows, macintosh and linux" mindset
17:35<Downix>ben_goodger: I run Linux, MorphOS, Windows, Mac OS X, OS/2 and Solaris.... am I cross-platform enough?
17:35<lele>hi to everibody, i've a question for my problem with debian: i've an old sources.list with a woody name for apt but there aren't yet woody in a debian dits directory. What's the right name that i must insert into sources.list ?
17:35<Downix>oh, and AROS
17:36<ben_goodger>you use ogg, you get complaints from millions of total prats who can't be arsed to install vlc on windows; you use wma, you get complaints from the mac/linux people; you use quicktime, you get complaints from the linux people and some windozers
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17:36<lupine_85>umm. media player can do ogg
17:36<lupine_85>but everyone should be using matroska anyway
17:36<Downix>ben_goodger: actualy ogg auto-installs on windows since Media Player 8
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17:37<ben_goodger>well, substitute for those using other media players that don't have an ogg codec
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17:37<ben_goodger>people will find a way to complain
17:37<ben_goodger>I always do...
17:37<lupine_85>nothing wrong with complaining
17:37<lupine_85>also nothing wrong with ignoring complaints :D
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17:38<padski>I installed gnash. now mozilla segfaults a lot.
17:38<ben_goodger>so, you can mildly annoy a few thousand linux geeks who possibly wouldn't use the service anyway, or you can irritate the entire windows base
17:38<lupine_85>jolly good show, padski
17:38<lupine_85>did you uninstall libflash?
17:39<padski>lupine_85: you think I should ? that was my next move :-)
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17:39<lupine_85>they should totally drop libflash from the archive
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17:41<ben_goodger>I'll be in favour of dropping flashplugin-nonfree 9 as well when there is a serious alternative
17:41<padski>lupine_85: well, it doesn't segfault any more :-) still no youtube :-(
17:41<lupine_85>and nvidia-kernel if nouveau gets decent :D
17:41<lupine_85>padski: what version is it?
17:41<ben_goodger>lupine_85: nah, nvidia will fold now that AMD have done so
17:42<lupine_85>well... fingers crossed
17:42<ben_goodger>they really don't need the press of being "the only major graphics card vendor without linux support"
17:42<xbc>padski, but you can still download videos from youtube using other tools :)
17:42<hachi>do the debian kernel patches live in a git repo anywhere?
17:42<lupine_85>well, fingers crossed they'll do something in collaboration with the current nouveau effort
17:42<ben_goodger>hachi: see, but afaik no
17:42<lupine_85>all they'd really have to do is provide them documentation
17:42<padski>mozilla-plugin-gnash 0.7.2-1
17:42<lupine_85>mm, that's olde
17:43<padski>mozilla says no plugins installed
17:43<lupine_85>grab whatever version is in experimental or unstable
17:43<padski>ok. what about this "no plug-ins are installed" ?
17:43<Downix>Hey now, don't forget ST MIcro!
17:43<Downix>I love their gfx chips
17:43<lupine_85>I don't know - I don't use mozilla
17:44<xbc>i've installed the version from unstable, but it doesn't play youtube, but many other stuuf is working
17:44<padski>Downix: I ibet it doesn't run on my apple][e
17:44<ben_goodger>Downix: do those cards even have GPUs on them?
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17:44<hachi>ben_goodger: I'm trying to apply the force-hpet (And related patches) to the debian kernel tree, but it appears that some of these patches have already been done... problem is that linux-source doesn't say what patches have been applied. I've been getting angry at this for the last couple days, any idea where I can find information on this stuff?
17:44<Downix>ben_goodger: nope. I just love their 3D rendering tho. Pity the company failed to push itself
17:45<lupine_85>hachi: there's a set of linux-patch packages that have all the patches in
17:45<hachi>like, what patches debian actually uses
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17:45<lupine_85>apt-cache show linux-patch-debian-2.6.18
17:45<ben_goodger>Downix: hmm... /me wikipediises
17:46<Downix>ben_goodger: Look up the Kyro, that was the brand name of their video chip.
17:46<Downix>ben_goodger: was the gfx on the Sega Dreamcast
17:46<padski>lupine_85: thanks. I'll have to finish this later.
17:46<ben_goodger>they _do_ have GPUs on then
17:47<padski>g'night all
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17:47<Downix>Wasn't sure if it was a full GPU
17:47<ben_goodger>enough to require a driver though, surely
17:47<Downix>I know the Atari Jaguar had one but that was an odd beast
17:47<chealer>hachi: no
17:47<ben_goodger>anyway, they're not major any more :)
17:47<muh2000>need help with ldap, login works but username in shell is: "I have no name!@computer:~$" ldap.conf: libnss-ldap: pam_ldap: pam.d/common-*: slapd.conf nss ldap isnt availaible... nsswitch.conf:
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17:48<hachi>chealer: no... what? My question wasn't really something you could answer 'no' to
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17:48<hachi>no you don't have any ideas, why would you say something then?
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17:49<Downix>ben_goodger: I've often wondered what would have happened had Atari let companies license the Jaguar's chipset
17:49<mzhang>could someone recommend me a better email client than evolution? I am fed up with it.
17:49<lupine_85>mzhang: mutt, icedove
17:50<ben_goodger>mzhang: google mail, icedove, er... anything...
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17:50<mzhang>thanks both mutt & icedove support imap?
17:50<ben_goodger>that said, 2.20 has a number of improvements
17:50<ben_goodger>yes, they do
17:50<hachi>mzhang: yes
17:51<lupine_85>there is also kmail, but it's crap
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17:56<xbc>lupine_85, why's kmail crap?
17:56<chealer>hachi: I was answering the question you asked to the channel, i.e. "[18:42:48] <hachi> do the debian kernel patches live in a git repo anywhere?"
17:56<lupine_85>slow, crashes often, fails at mail filters, fails at all sorts of other things
17:57<xbc>i never had any problem with it so far
17:57<lupine_85>xbc: I tried to like it... I really, really tried (I use konversation, and most of the rest of the KDE suite), but I just couldn't get on with it
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17:58<xbc>lupine_85, so i'm not a poweruser, maybe that's the point ;)
17:58<lupine_85>asking it to copy 3,000 emails from one IMAP account to another might have been a bit mean, but icedove copes fine
17:58<stew>panthera: yes
17:58<stew>panthera: not you
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18:05<serph>Hi I'm told update-modules is depreciated, what should I use instead?
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18:08<linuxx>my sound stopped working, but there are no errors/warnings shown in dmesg. any ideas?
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18:09<stew>serph: /etc/modprobe.d (man modprobe.conf)
18:10<stew>linuxx: /msg dpkg alsa checklist
18:13<serph>Ok, then rmmod <module> and modprobe <module> is all I must do to update a module?
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18:15<stew>serph: that doesn't update anything, it reloads the module though. it is recommended to use "modprobe -r" instead of "rmmod"
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18:16<serph>stew, yeah sorry reload is what I meant, My x server fails to load nvidia driver because it says it doesn't exist. However I can remove it and load it using modprobe.
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18:16<linuxx>whats that supposed to do?
18:16<linuxx>btw, dpkg needs an action
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18:16<linuxx>hmm I just noticed, when I turn up the pcm, I get a silent white noise
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18:19<stew>serph: i'm not the one to ask about nvidia
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18:20<stew>dpkg: tell linuxx about alsa checklist
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18:21<linuxx>ah sry, didnt know you had these bots in here
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18:31<hachi>I'm running a debian kernel here, and I can't find the cpufreq stuff in /sys, is there something I need to load to make this work? I have the kernel modules loaded and I do have /sys mounted
18:32<ikono>cpuinfo ?
18:32<hachi>it's perfectly capable, Pentium M 1.86GHz
18:33<hachi>in fact, it worked fine in ubuntu last week, but in debian with the debian kernel it's not showing up
18:33<stew>hachi: modprobe speedstep_centrino
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18:33<hachi>ahh, there we go
18:34<hachi>what's the debian way to set the govenor on startup?
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18:35<hachi>(I just threw the modules I want into /etc/modules
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19:27<keith>Debian 4.0. Are there any software packages for transferring music fro LP records to wav files?
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19:28<lupine_85>keith: depends on how you're getting the music into the PC, I guess
19:28<DeFender1031>hello, all of a sudden i can't copy things from my hard drive to external devices. I used to be able to, and then all of a sudden i can't anymore. I can create files and directories on the external devices, and even modify those files, but for some reason, copying tells me it can't create the file. I run lenny.
19:28<lupine_85>if it's just on the line-in port, then you can 'dd' the device file and IIRC you receive raw PCM audio data (e.g. a wav file)
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19:29<jclinton>DeFender1031: who is telling you this?
19:30<feiticeiro>feiticeiro in brazil
19:30<DeFender1031>jclinton, my computer
19:30<jclinton>DeFender1031: which program?
19:31<DeFender1031>what do you mean which program?
19:32<DeFender1031>this isn't a problem with a program
19:32<feiticeiro>as I make to install a printer in derbian
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19:33<jclinton>DeFender1031: what is the exact error message?
19:33<keith>lupine_85: Analog. Well anyway from the turntable to the input of the sound card.
19:34<gsimmons_>hachi: No need for /etc/modules, if you're using cpufreqd. You can define the CPU kernel module within /etc/default/cpufreqd. A specific governor can be set within /etc/default/cpufrequtils.
19:34<jclinton>keith: audacity does a pretty good job recording
19:35<DeFender1031>jclinton, when i try to copy with kde it tells me "could not make folder <directory name>"
19:35<jclinton>DeFender1031: what about when you do it from konsole?
19:36<DeFender1031>cp -r says "cp: cannot create directory <directory name>: invalid argument"
19:36<DeFender1031>same with a regular file and regular cp,
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19:37<jclinton>DeFender1031: but you CAN mkdir in the destination directory?
19:37<DeFender1031>and i can make files, and i can write to those files
19:37<DeFender1031>weird, huh?
19:37<jclinton>i asked about directory
19:37<jclinton>not files
19:37<jclinton>they are different permissions
19:38<DeFender1031>and i'm telling you that it's the same with files
19:38<DeFender1031>files won't copy either
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19:39<jclinton>but can you mkdir?
19:39<DeFender1031>i told you yes
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19:40<jclinton>are you using the -a option to cp?
19:40<DeFender1031>why would i?
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19:40<jclinton>i'll take that as a no
19:41<jclinton>DeFender1031: is the target filesystem vfat?
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19:41<DeFender1031>one is fat32, one is a flash disk
19:41<DeFender1031>and i've been able to write to both in the past
19:41<DeFender1031>now i can write to neither
19:41<jclinton>what is the TARGET filesystem?
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19:42<DeFender1031>they're both the targets, it works with neither of my external devices
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19:42<jclinton>pick one that is failing at this moment and lets focus on that one, DeFender1031
19:43<DeFender1031>fine, let's work on the flash drive
19:43<jclinton>DeFender1031: what is the flash drive's target filesystem?
19:43<DeFender1031>i don't know... whatever it came with, i don't know how flash filesystems work...
19:43<DeFender1031>on second thought, let's work on the hard drive with fat32
19:44<jclinton>DeFender1031: so you're copying from the flash to the hard drive?
19:44<jclinton>DeFender1031: is the source filesystem linux?
19:44<DeFender1031>i'm copying from my internal hard drive to either the flash or the external hard drive
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19:45<jclinton>DeFender1031: most probable cause is that the directory name has a FAT disallowed character in its name
19:45<DeFender1031>i'm copying from reiser to either of these external devices, neither work
19:45<DeFender1031>annnd... i'm an idiot
19:46<DeFender1031>stupid question mark!
19:46<jclinton>DeFender1031: linux allows anything but "/" in a file name
19:46<jclinton>DeFender1031: so does NTFS, for that matter
19:46<jclinton>DeFender1031: but not the shitty FAT32
19:47<jclinton>DeFender1031: if you need to share this with windows partitions i recommend using the ntfs-3g software
19:47<jclinton>it's quite stable
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19:48<DeFender1031>it's fine
19:49<DeFender1031>sorry for wasting your time with such a simple problem
19:49<DeFender1031>should have tried other files before making a scene
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19:54<Supaplex>jclinton: ntfs allows ":" ?
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19:57<jclinton>Supaplex: yes
19:58<Supaplex>weird. but ok.
19:58<jclinton>ntfs even has symlinks and hard links
19:58<jclinton>that doesn't mean you can actually use them in windows....
19:59<Supaplex>like raw sockets. :-P
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20:04<maddash>ntfs has symlinks??
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20:05<Supaplex>humm yea, let's symlink pagefile.sys -> ntldr (it'll boot *once*)
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20:06<Samuka>Hello are there some brazilian here?? xDDDDD
20:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:08<plugwash>is a can't exec "" error from experimentals dpkg-buildpackage a known issue?
20:08<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference, or
20:09<Supaplex>plugwash: yes. it's called, don't touch experiemntal unless you have good cause. :)
20:09<Hessophanes>plugwash: Hm, I'll give it a try, it's installed here anyway - anything special needed to reproduce it?
20:10<plugwash>Hessophanes I just tried to build the latest trunk of gfire ( ) in my experimental chroot and got the error
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20:11<Hessophanes>Hm, ok...
20:11<maddash>wooo, chroot
20:11<Samuka>no ... no problems i´m just asking xDDD
20:11<maddash> /msg dpkg chrool
20:11<maddash> /msg dpkg chroot
20:11<maddash> /msg dpkg hi
20:12<maddash>what's wrong with dpkg?
20:13<chealer>maddash: if your private messages show in the channel, there's something wrong with the way you use your IRC client
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20:14<Hessophanes>plugwash: Hm, experimental version is working flawlessly here.
20:15<Arron>in rox, what is the option for the dir name? my "sudo pumount" is not working, i dont think its adding on the directory to pumount
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20:16<maddash>stupid spacebar
20:17<Supaplex>PEBKAC :)
20:17<Supaplex>an easily cureable ailment for you. hehe
20:17<maddash>wtf is PEBKAC?
20:17<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or
20:17<dpkg>[picnic] Problem In Chair Not In Computer
20:18<chealer>maddash: it's a sentence you can write without using the spacebar.
20:18<maddash>chealer: it's been a long day, and my thumbs are twitching like paint mixers from fatigue
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20:19<maddash>this is probably not debian specific, but any idea what 5th column in /proc/pid/maps means?
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20:22<Hessophanes>Inode number.
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20:22<Supaplex>maddash: man proc :)
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20:35<Payrok>I have a bind configuration that was good on my old server but is blowing up on my new server I had help getting bind set up the first time, and I could use a hand troubleshooting if you please...
20:36<DeFender1031>how do i load a module?
20:36<Payrok>lsmod modulename
20:36<Arron>what is the name of that doc app, that you can put icons and programs to run on the desktop?
20:36<maddash>defender1031: modprobe
20:36<Payrok>or modprobe modulename
20:36<Payrok>i meant insmod
20:36<maddash>Payrok: lsmod only LiSts the module
20:36<Payrok>brain fart
20:37<Payrok>I'm running debian etch, but the old system was sarge that was upgraded to etch
20:37<Payrok>running bind 9
20:39<Payrok>bindrndc: connection to remote host closed
20:39<Payrok>This may indicate that the remote server is using an older version of
20:39<Payrok>the command protocol, this host is not authorized to connect,
20:39<Payrok>or the key is invalid.
20:39<Payrok> failed!
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20:39<Payrok>oops, it appears I can't paste errors in here
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20:42<Payrok>there's a pastebin of the error in my syslog
20:43<Payrok>is there no one watching who can help with bind?
20:44<Payrok>all my zones are configured, I just need to know why named is failing and what it's invalid command is..
20:44<Payrok>well, all one of them
20:45<skiter>Payrok, you have 2 dns servers right?
20:45<Payrok>just the one at my house, and the 2 main ones from yahoo
20:46<skiter>Payrok, you have 2 servers running bind server?
20:46<Payrok>just one
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20:47<skiter>so maybe the user that running bind don't have access to read the key file
20:48<Payrok>i am running the script in init.d as root
20:48<skiter>but the bind running with another user
20:48<skiter>it running with user "bind"
20:49<Payrok>i may have messed up ownership of the file when I pulled it out of the tarball.....
20:49<Payrok>the configs that is
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20:49<Payrok>ok i will
20:50<Payrok>ah, same thing
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20:52<Payrok>oh well
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20:54<markys>I would like to know if any of you ever tried "Elisa"...
20:54<DeFender1031>isn't that some sort of disease test?
20:54<markys>but I don't think it's what i want :P
20:55<maddash>omg omg omg
20:55<maddash>whoops wrong channel
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20:58<widrone>Elisa the CPU shrink?
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20:59<thank>how to send by mail by comand line
20:59<thank>who can help me
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21:00<widrone>thank: man mail
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21:00<widrone>thank: Least that get you started.
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21:00<thank>thank you
21:01<thank>i have know that !
21:01<markys>a media center
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21:01<thank>but i must install Mail Transprot Agent ??
21:01<thank>eg exim4 , postfix ,
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21:02<thank>i must open 25 port ??
21:03<widrone>markys: Thanks for the link, I love mediacenters. This looks a bit like frontrow I have to say.
21:05<markys>widrone: yeah...the inly think I would like to know is if siid is stable enough to make a media center
21:05<widrone>markys: only thing? ;)
21:05<markys>on the website, it says : "Elisa is officially packaged on Debian Sid." but I don't really know if the debian version really matters
21:05<markys>the only thing for now, at least the first :P
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21:05<markys>oh yeah o not i
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21:29<ggna>i just want a caring and free society of good will and peace
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21:29<ggna>people should not slander or deceive others without good intention to genuinely help that person
21:30<ggna>it just seems to me that all of this are unnecessary if we genuinely trusted one another in good faith
21:31<Jasons>ggna: dreamer
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22:39<ranix>I have a debian box running at work. How do I tunnel my HTTP requests to all pass through work?
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22:40<ranix>actually, even more specifically, how do I tunnel HTTP requests to sent through port 8080 through work and out port 80
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22:42<mikkelorz>ranix.. lotsa stuff can do that for you.. there's squid. then there's apache2 proxy and i think dnsmasq can do it aswell
22:42<rwp>ranix, are you asking how to set up the proxies in your web browser?
22:42<ranix>I want to connect to a news server by tunneling through work
22:43<mikkelorz>does the news server support mapping to port 80?
22:43<ranix>well not really I was trying to make it sound more generic and less like I was trying to get free news access I'm not paying for
22:43<ranix>I kind of failed
22:44<ranix>I want nntp connections to sent through a tunnel
22:44<rwp>Isn't usenet news groups available for free for everyone already?
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22:44<ranix>yeah, but I max my connection to the server here at 2 megabits
22:44<ranix>out of the 10 I can download
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22:45<ranix>I can add over 50% to that by opening more connections by tunneling through work
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22:45<ranix>and get an extra 1.2ish megabits
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22:47<kerneld>ranix: ssh you@work
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22:49<ranix>bad local forwarding specification
22:49<ranix>what's the N
22:49<kerneld>ranix: You can install squid at your repot proxy and ssh tunnel to it.
22:49<kerneld>ranix: the port you want
22:50<kerneld>You can have multiple tunnels set up, one to your squid proxy, one to your socs proxy (For pidgin) ...
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22:52<kerneld>or you could use apaches proxypass fetures for the site you wanted to tunnel access to and use a vanilla apache client
22:52<kerneld>er http cliet
22:53<kerneld>ranix: Point of reference - always check the manpage for some commands people tell you to try
22:54<rwp>ranix, the N there is a port number that you choose, probably 119. Also change nntp to 119.
22:54<kerneld>incase someone is trying to make you route add default gw
22:54<rwp>ranix, ssh
22:54<kerneld>rwp: Will want root to do that since 119 is restricted port
22:55<mikkelorz>hm how does one map 119 to 80 then?
22:55<kerneld>mikkelorz: Well he went on to talk about tunneling nntp
22:55<mikkelorz>y.. i was just wondering myself :)
22:55<ranix>yeah ignore my earlier bs about http
22:55<rwp>kerneld, Ah, yes, you are right. Must pick something >1024 and also change the local news client too.
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22:57<NaufraGo>hi. what browser do you suggest me? iceweasel? firefox?
22:57<kerneld>a tunnel to another servers port 80 is not an http proxy
22:57<mikkelorz>NaufraGo it's the same browser
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22:57<ranix>ok, ssh seems to ssh me to work. Asks me for a password, then I get bash
22:57<NaufraGo>oh, ok
22:57<ranix>is this normal?
22:57<kerneld>ranix: Yes
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22:58<kerneld>the tunnel is multiplexed with your remote shell sessions connection trhough the ssh socket
22:58<mikkelorz>NaufraGo with slight modifications to the iceweasel code.. firefox wasnt GNU enough for debian so it was altered to meet the demands.. but to the end user there's no difference afaik
22:59<ranix>it does not appear to be working
22:59<mikkelorz>bash ftw
22:59<kerneld>iceweasel has the same bugs as firefox :P
22:59<ranix>I did netstat -a on the remote machine and don't see an nntp connection
22:59<mikkelorz>kerneld no difference indeed :(
22:59<kerneld>ranix: You didn't connect to the local end
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23:01<kerneld>ranix: Do an lsof -i on the local end and you will see that ssh is LISTENING on 119
23:01<mikkelorz>still cant find a proper way to run adobe flash on my x64 iceweasel tho... pretty annoying not to be able to watch youtube etc.
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23:01<simonrvn>mikkelorz: that's not why
23:01<ranix>how do I see where the remote machine is connected to the ntp server?
23:01<ranix>on the remote machine
23:01<mikkelorz>simonrvn i thought that was it. please elaborate :)
23:01<Debianner>buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)
23:01<kerneld>ranix: It doesn't untill you connect to the local end
23:02<ranix>well I am connected on the local end and downloading
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23:02<Debianner>i can´t install packets
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23:02<kerneld>ranix: Well it shoud show up on the remote end then
23:02<simonrvn>mikkelorz: mozilla wouldn't let debian use the logo/icon, so debian made a new logo/icon, renamed it, and re-packaged it. there's also a project by the same name, that has everything under a gnu license
23:03<ranix>how do I see it on the remote end
23:03<ranix>netstat -a should show it right?
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23:03<simonrvn>Debianner: ping -c5 localhost; there, have some packets :P
23:03<kerneld>ranix: Should shw the outbound connection - yeah
23:03<ranix>it doesn't
23:04<mikkelorz>simonrvn strange.. why are the other distros allowed to use the normal logo then?
23:05<simonrvn>mikkelorz: i don't know, ask them. has to do with the dfsg
23:05<kerneld>ranix: locally you are connecting to localhost:119 right?
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23:06<kerneld>When I do that, I see the connection in netstat
23:06<kerneld>tcp 0 0 cpe-72-191-145-4.:44151 ESTABLISHED
23:06<ranix>thanks kerneld
23:06<ranix>I will read man pages to find out why this works
23:06<Debianner>example: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/cuyo_1.8.6-1_i386.deb: fehlgeschlagen in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1)
23:07<kerneld>remember, its a tunnel, not a magic want :P
23:07<ranix>I appreciate the help guys
23:07<kerneld>magic wand
23:07<kerneld>you have to drive through it
23:08<ranix>success, +50% bandwidth
23:08<dpkg>i heard iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU ( although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
23:08<simonrvn>mikkelorz: ^^^
23:09<mikkelorz>!why iceweasel
23:09<dpkg>Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See for more information.
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23:11<mikkelorz>so in general it's just law term mumbo-jumbo
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23:19<BoBo_BoSs>how secure for doss attack my linux ?
23:19<dpkg>well, ddos is Distributed Denial of Service, or, or see
23:20<Supaplex>BoBo_BoSs: linux is one of the most secure platforms. there's not a lot you can do under an attack, but the system is likely to be alive after the kiddies get bored of it.
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23:22<Supaplex>Guest29: but knoppix has debian amnesia. you want #knoppix
23:24<BoBo_BoSs>Supaplex how stop doss attack from my linux ?
23:25<Supaplex>next to impossible. it's like stopping the heavens from raining
23:25<linuxfce>anyone know why compiz fusion is usually quick but sometimes randomly animations are choppy
23:27<predder>Can anyone suggest why, when I try to do an lvremove -f on a logical volume I get: "Can't remove open logical volume" I've verified that it is unmounted and the path is correct
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23:29<NaufraGo>hi. I don't know why internet doesn't connect autom. when boot. I enabled it when configuring adsl... can anybody help me?
23:31<Supaplex>is it pppoe?
23:32<Supaplex>predder: is that how the lvm2 howto says to do it? sure there's not an intermediate step?
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23:33<predder>Supaplex, lvm2 howto? Where might I find that?
23:33<Supaplex>predder: the internets
23:34<predder>okay, well there's more than one and in which case, yes. Multiple howtos (including my own I wrote 6 months ago) say just to lvremove after unmounting it
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23:34<NaufraGo>yes, is pppoe
23:34<Supaplex>NaufraGo: there's pppoe config
23:35<Supaplex>predder: ok. I'm thinking of the one published from redhat.
23:35<predder>thanks Supaplex, I'll take a look
23:36<Supaplex>lvm2 rawkz. :)
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23:41<predder>Supaplex, bah, the howto doesn't mention any intermediate steps I havent tried :(
23:41<predder>is there an opposite to mknod?
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23:55<linuxfce>every since 2.6.17 iv experienced a hard drive bug
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23:56<thank>how to find .pm file in which pkg !!??
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23:58<jm_>the same way you find other files
23:58<dpkg>i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see
23:59<thank>thank you very much , and try it !
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