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00:33<anibal_>what's the program that creates the xorg conf file?
00:34<jm_>debconf
00:34<jm_>and scripts it calls (provided by packages)
00:34<jm_>!drxx anibal_
00:34<dpkg>anibal_: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
00:35<anibal_>thanks
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00:55<eins7ein>I have a bit of a problem with my keyring
00:55<eins7ein>can some one help me with it
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01:04<jm_>keyring for what?
01:05<eins7ein>the keyring manager in debian
01:05<jm_>you mean to verify package signatures?
01:05<eins7ein>I don't know it's just called the keyring manager
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01:06<eins7ein>It comes up every time I connect to my wireless through WPA
01:06<jm_>ahh I see, sorry I have no clue about that
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01:06<eins7ein>I kinda broke the don't root while drunk rule the other night
01:07<eins7ein>apparantly I changed the password by accident
01:07<jm_>hehe
01:07<eins7ein>yeah it kinda sucks
01:07<ameyer>self-pwnt
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01:07<koollman>well ... change it again
01:07<eins7ein>I don't know what the current password is
01:08<eins7ein>or how to change it for that matter
01:08<ameyer>you could probably use a live cd and chroot in
01:08<koollman>or just add an argument on the bootloader line after reboot
01:08<jm_>that won't help at all
01:09<koollman>something like 'init=/bin/bash'
01:09<eins7ein>the chroot idea is what was suggested on a forum
01:09<koollman>after that, you just use 'passwd'
01:09<eins7ein>problem is I don't know where the password is stored
01:09<eins7ein>for the keyring
01:09<jm_>eins7ein: wait, you don't know root password or something entirely keyring manager related?
01:09<jm_>right, that's different thing
01:10<eins7ein>I know my root password but not the keyring manager password
01:10<jm_>strace might help
01:10<jm_>but if it's done sanely it won't help you
01:10<eins7ein>I'm confused
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01:13<eins7ein>what is strace
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01:13<jm_>in that case it won't be useful for you
01:13<eins7ein>I'm kinda new to the whole desktop linux thing
01:14<jm_>strace is pretty low level tool
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01:14<eins7ein>been using it for game servers and ftp at lan parties for a year but just put it on my lappy
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01:21<eins7ein>so am I screwed then
01:21<jm_>you need to wait for people who use that network manager thing, maybe they can help you
01:22<eins7ein>okey dokey
01:22<eins7ein>do you happen to know anything about pidgin
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01:23<jm_>nope, just that it was previously named gaim :)
01:23<eins7ein>damn
01:24<eins7ein>how bout sound drivers
01:24<jm_>what about them?
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01:25<eins7ein>my sound doesn't work after instlling the latest ver of alsa
01:25<eins7ein>do you use etch or lenny
01:25<jm_>do you see anything in /proc/asound/cards?
01:25<jm_>Etch here, but I use custom kernel
01:25<eins7ein>ah
01:26<eins7ein>I'm trying to find out if I should switch over to lenny
01:26<eins7ein>since i'm a bit of a noob I just wondered if it would cause me more problems than I already have
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01:27<jm_>sometimes it does (depending on when you upgrade etc.)
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01:31<eins7ein>I was thinking about doing it now
01:32<eins7ein>some guys in here had me talked into it last night but talked me out of it half way through the dl
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01:33<Vakio>eins7ein: I would've talked you out of it before you started, but I was afk getting some food :)
01:34<eins7ein>ah
01:34<eins7ein>good news is I ended up not doing it
01:34<eins7ein>still have no sound but no biggie for now
01:34<jm_>did you verify that file?
01:34<eins7ein>which file
01:35<jm_>08:25:44 <jm_> do you see anything in /proc/asound/cards?
01:35<eins7ein>yes
01:35<jm_>so what is in it? no pasting here
01:35<eins7ein>what should I do instead of pasting
01:35<jm_>!paste
01:35<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
01:36<eins7ein>it says HD-Intel pretty much
01:36<eins7ein>irq 58
01:36<jm_>so driver is loaded - what does aplay say?
01:36<Vakio>eins7ein: the problem is actually a too old version of the kernel. You need 2.6.20 or later.
01:37<eins7ein>how do I do that
01:37<jm_>ahh OK, so people know about your problem already
01:37<jm_>backports
01:37<eins7ein><- noob
01:37<eins7ein>yep been talking about it in here for 2 days
01:37<eins7ein>how do I upgrade my kernel
01:37<Vakio>eins7ein: some people using the same card told it here last night.
01:38<jm_>!backports
01:38<dpkg>backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>
01:38<Vakio>eins7ein: I wish I could've told you earlier, but I didn't know :)
01:38<eins7ein>huh
01:38<eins7ein>told me what
01:38<Vakio>eins7ein: that the problem was the kernel, not alsa-base.
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01:39<eins7ein>oh
01:39<eins7ein>thx
01:39<eins7ein>so how do I update my kernel
01:39<eins7ein>if you have a tut that would be great
01:40<eins7ein>link that is
01:40<Vakio>eins7ein: backports.org, as mentioned above.
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01:40<jensa>tohoooo
01:40<eins7ein>Vakio: to upgrade my kernel?
01:40<Vakio>eins7ein: yep. Read their documentation. (I hope they have some.)
01:41<eins7ein>ok thx
01:41<jensa>yeah
01:41<jensa>wzup
01:41<eins7ein>be back in a minute or several gonna do some readin
01:41<jensa>ok good luck
01:41<jensa>hae fun
01:41<jensa>sweeties
01:42<jensa>are there som goodlokking girls in here?
01:42<eins7ein>dude wrong chan
01:42<jensa>what?
01:42<jensa>so there isnt any girls in here?
01:42<Vakio>No, this is the Internet.
01:43<jensa>I have meet a lot of girls on the internet, internet rules!
01:43<GNUdog>:-) Debian not girls hunting place
01:43<ameyer>Welcome to the internet, where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents.
01:44<Aciid>I use teh internetz!
01:44<jensa>most girls are pretty ugly but some of them are niiiice!!!
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01:44<sep>Aciid, you mean you enabeled compression in your modem ?
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01:45<Aciid>sep: im not so sure but i use it
01:45<jensa>you never know maybe my dreamgirl is in here!
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01:45<Aciid>like i has all these pages exampl. googol and stuff
01:46<eins7ein>debian: full of mostly MALE geeks looking to talk about linux not women
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01:48<thank>who know about perl modules of IP range !!??
01:48<eins7ein>jensa: only if your dream girl is geeky as hell
01:49<thank>who know about perl modules of IP range !!??
01:50<Aciid>http://putkizone.com/~aciid/lol.jpg
01:51<sep>jensa, debian is segregated all the women is in #debian-women
01:51<sep>:D
01:51<eins7ein>lulz
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01:51<sep>hihi :)
01:52<jensa>I like geeky girls :D it turns me on
01:52<eins7ein>so I've read some of the docs from backports.org but I dont see anything about kernels
01:52<jm_>there is nothing kernel specific on there, it's the same for all packages - add to sources list, find package, install package
01:52<Aciid>ive made a terrible mistake and loaded 12gb's of ebooks...
01:53<eins7ein>oops
01:53<Aciid>like my life is ruined
01:53<eins7ein>so delete some
01:53<Aciid>well i cant before ive read em all
01:53<eins7ein>I feel your pain
01:53<Aciid>theres like 1137
01:54<eins7ein>do like I do and buy a bigger hd
01:55<eins7ein>remeber kids einstein is a genius
01:55<eins7ein>he spends all his money on his computer and has nothing left for his social lif
01:55<eins7ein>*life
01:55<eins7ein>bah
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01:55<eins7ein>lulz
01:56<eins7ein>any body in here now know anything about installing pidgin
01:56<Aciid>ok is it possible to install debian workin correctly to a laptop that is manufactured after the release of etch?
01:56<eins7ein>huh
01:56<Aciid>eins7ein: use amsn svn version its better :)
01:56<Aciid>well like im askin is it possible to get the sound and wifi workin correctly?
01:57<eins7ein>I'm not using msn I'm using AOL
01:57<eins7ein>wifi yes sound maybe
01:57<Aciid>ohh
01:57<Aciid>well the sound didnt work with opensuse102, so thats why im conserned
01:57<eins7ein>AIM to be exact
01:57<jm_>eins7ein: install gaim on Etch
01:57<eins7ein>my sound doesn't work on my lappy either but I'm on wireless right now
01:58<eins7ein>I have gaim I like pidgin better
01:58<Aciid>oh, well i have a integrated circuit but really its too new i think
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01:58<jm_>well pidgin is not available for Etch
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01:58<Aciid>could u guys gimme a hand at the evenin, if ill try to get the wifi to work?
01:58<eins7ein>I know I want to compile from source but it doesn't seem to work with make like it should
01:59<eins7ein>I was just wondering if anyone had experience w/ pidgin
01:59<jensa>i do!
01:59<eins7ein>wifi is easy which chip do you have
01:59<jm_>no-one can help you unless you provide error messages
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01:59<eins7ein>jensa: how did you get it to work
01:59<Aciid>well its an integrated circuit, its pretty new
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01:59<Aciid>ill give u more info as i get home
02:00<Vakio>eins7ein: if you really want lots of new and shiny packages, then maybe you can reconsider using Lenny.
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02:00<Aciid>im at school atm
02:00<Vakio>eins7ein: (but it will break horribly and kill you in your sleep!)
02:00<eins7ein>that doesn't matter you can always use ndiswrapper if need be
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02:00<Aciid>well ive heard these offul ndiswrapper stories about ppl losin theyre hair and stuff
02:01<eins7ein>I thought about lenny but I only want a few things from it so for now I just want to stick w/ what I got and try to mke it work
02:01<jensa>The chip didnt work so i bought a new one, and then i worked perfectly
02:01<Aciid>well.. integrated circuit no luck to replace :D
02:01<eins7ein>Aciid: what brand lappy is it
02:01<Aciid>fujitsu-siemens
02:01<Aciid>xa_1526
02:01<eins7ein>do you know the model number
02:02<eins7ein>faster than I am
02:02<Vakio>Aciid: that's what screwdrivers are for.
02:02<Aciid>i dont think thats a good idea ;p
02:03<eins7ein>sec
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02:04<eins7ein>do you happen to know the specifics of the model number of the wireless chip you have
02:05<eins7ein>since it's only a/b/g it should be easy
02:05<eins7ein>easy to get drivers that is
02:05<Aciid>nope, the datasheet at the website did not provide. But i can extract the info when i get home
02:05<eins7ein>ok
02:06<eins7ein>let us know
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02:34<aArchnix>Anyone here real good with hal and gnome-volume-manager? I'm having trouble selectively choosing which volumes are allowed to be shown on the desktop.
02:39<hachi>can anyone suggest an alternative application to 'pornview' that does the same job? I'm sorta scared of loading that app on my work laptop :)
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02:39<hachi>just an image browser, I mean
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02:42<eins7ein>hachi: are you on KDE or GNOME
02:42<aArchnix>scrot -d 5
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02:42<aArchnix>oops :-[
02:42<hachi>eins7ein: openbox :)
02:43<hachi>so I guess the answer is 'no'
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02:44<aArchnix>have you tried gnu-porn? As root, apt-get install gnu-porn_0.69
02:44<aArchnix>You need non-free enabled.
02:44<hachi>okay, the whole thing is I don't want a picture browser with 'porn' in the name
02:45<hachi>work laptop
02:45<cahoot>hachi, feh
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02:45<ameyer>pornview?
02:45<aArchnix>It gets installed as picture overview, the full name is picture overview by richard nallman.
02:46<aArchnix>Porn wouldn't show up anywhere
02:46<aArchnix>you could always apt-get remove if you didn't like it.
02:46<ameyer>the internet is for porn
02:46<hachi>hah
02:46<aArchnix>sorry, apt-get purge remove
02:46<Aciid>lol
02:46<hachi>Aciid: that's hilarious somehow
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02:46<hachi>lucky that his name is what it is
02:47<hachi>otherwise he couldn't have cracked that joke
02:48<aArchnix>damn :(
02:48<jm_>plenty of others: gqview, qiv, feh, ...
02:49<eins7ein>damn you beat me to it again I was gonna suggest qiv
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03:53<DTE>hi all
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03:53<DTE>i'm trying to setup a cluster as ultramonkey does
03:54<DTE>in haresources i had already a resource to control drbd disks and services and everything was working well
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03:54<DTE>i then added a resource for ldirectord and since then i'm not able to use anymore heartbeat
03:54<DTE>it simple just stop and do nothing...no logs
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04:00<stew>DTE: try #linux-ha on irc.freenode.net
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04:00<DTE>ahh thanks
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04:03<stonehold>i'm having a problem installing 4.0r1. can anyone here help me?
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04:04<gsimmons>stonehold: You'll need to describe the problem you're experiencing.
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04:07<stonehold>at the initial install it cannot find the network adapter. 3.0 found it fine. i changed the adapter and it still couldn't see it, so i can't do a netinstall.
04:08<stonehold>i'm scanning the debian faqs to see if there's a mention of how to sorrect this.
04:08<jm_>what NIC is it?
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04:09<josey_bosey>Does the 'vesa' driver shipped with Debian Etch support the Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX card?
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04:09<jm_>josey_bosey: yup
04:10<stonehold>NIC?
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04:10<jm_>network interface card
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04:11<stonehold>the one in now is an SMC EZNet 10/100. the other one is Realtek RTL8139 Family Fast Ethernet.
04:11<jm_>that should work
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04:12<stonehold>i know. like i said, debian 3.1 recognises it fine.
04:12<ameyer>the realtek one should just work
04:13<josey_bosey>jm_: Does it support 1680x1050 resolution, 32-bit color depth, 60 Hz refresh rate?
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04:13<ameyer>not sure about the other one...
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04:13<stonehold>i woulda thought the realtek would. the netinst cd has a drvier for it...
04:14<jm_>josey_bosey: not sure about resolution, but you should be able to use something more standard like 1600x1200 or 1280x1024 with your monitor
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04:14<ameyer>my laptop's network card is based on a rtl8139 variant, and I did a netinstall with 4.0r0
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04:14<stonehold>could it be an error in the revision?
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04:15<ameyer>perhaps, maybe it has something to do with the specific rtl8139 variant
04:15<josey_bosey>jm_: Yes but I would prefer to use the native wide screen resolution of 1680x1050
04:15<jm_>hard to say without details
04:16<jm_>josey_bosey: yeah I understand that, however I am not sure that's a standard VESA resolution so I am not sure if it will work, it might
04:16<jm_>josey_bosey: or you can simply use never nvidia driver which supports 8800 cards
04:16<ameyer>I though vesa supported whatever modes your video bios supported
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04:17<jm_>posssibly yes
04:17<opel_corsa-toyota_corona>no
04:18<stonehold>i don't suppose there's anywhere i could get a 4.0r0 netinst image, is there?
04:18<ameyer>that's one long nick...
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04:18<jm_>stonehold: why?
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04:19<stonehold>to check it against r1. see if it recognizes my card.
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04:19<ameyer>for what it's worth, with the current kernel, the rtl8139 driver works
04:19<ameyer>and as far as I know, it never hasn't
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04:22<ameyer>I'm not sure how common that chipset is these days, but it was apparently a huge deal when Windows2000 didn't support it out of the box
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04:23<ameyer>I don't think a cd image with a broken rtl8139 driver would be shipped
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04:24<ameyer>sorry, I should shut up
04:24<stonehold>please, go on. i'm just filtering through documents and stuff and the debian site.
04:25<jm_>stonehold: well why don't you look at details then?
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04:26<stonehold>what kinda details should i be searching for? i'm using rtl8139 and other network adapter type stuff as keywords.
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04:27<ameyer>stonehold: try looking for 8139cp and 8139too
04:27<josey_bosey>jm_> You mean the nvidia driver with the root kit?
04:28<josey_bosey>:)~
04:28<stonehold>okay
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04:29<ameyer>stonehold: perhaps mii
04:29<jm_>josey_bosey: yes
04:30<jm_>stonehold: as in boot it look at dmesg ifconfig output and so on
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04:31<josey_bosey>I'd rather not
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04:32<josey_bosey>I wonder if x.org ever plans on supporting 8 series in their nv driver?
04:32<josey_bosey>is there an x chan on irc?
04:33<stonehold>it isn't installed yet...where's dmesg ifconfig?
04:35<jm_>stonehold: alt-f2
04:35<Vakio>josey_bosey: nouveau is working on those things.
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04:35<Vakio>josey_bosey: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FrontPage
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04:36<stonehold>at any time during the install i can press that, or a certain time?
04:38<themill>stonehold: any time you want. Use Alt+F1 to get back to the installer
04:38<josey_bosey>is nouveau a package in etch main?
04:38<josey_bosey>Vakio: ^^
04:38<jm_>josey_bosey: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-announce/2007-May/000303.html
04:38<stonehold>kewl beans. that'll help alot. i may be back.
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04:38<josey_bosey>schweet
04:39<josey_bosey>that was in may....version 2.0.95
04:39<josey_bosey>I bet it's in sid
04:39<jm_>sid has 7.3 so yeah
04:40<josey_bosey>i wonder if I could mix sid with stable?
04:40<petemc>negative
04:40<jm_>the answer to that is simple: no
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04:41<Vakio>josey_bosey: and no, the nouveau driver isn't usable yet.
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04:41<jm_>that's for 3D only isn't it?
04:41<josey_bosey>hrm
04:42<josey_bosey>I wonder if x.org 7.3 will make it into Lenny?
04:44<jm_>Debian X wiki page outlines plans for Lenny
04:44<ameyer>it should make it into lenny
04:44<ameyer>I mean, Lenny shouldn't be frozen for a while, right?
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04:45<ameyer>wouldn't surprise me much if 7.4 or 7.5 made it into lenny
04:45[~]ameyer checks the link
04:45<jm_>http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/tag/planet.d.o
04:45<jm_>there
04:45<ameyer>erm, wiki page
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04:45<jm_>Debian X.org notes - X.org 7.4 plans - What we expect for Lenny
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04:47<josey_bosey>ok
04:47<josey_bosey>I'll just have to wait for lenny then
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04:49<ameyer>hmm, apparently xserver 1.4 seems to be freezing on me...
04:49<jm_>or maybe there's a backport
04:49<ameyer>like what you'd expect if someone nice -n 20 $cpu_intensive_process
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04:50<josey_bosey>jm_: Backport? I thought sid and stable could not go together
04:50<JasonS>josey_bosey: they shouldn't thats why there's backports
04:50<Vakio>There isn't, according to p.d.o.
04:50<themill>!backport
04:50<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ...
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04:51<jm_>maybe there will be in a while then
04:52<ameyer>I think it has to get into lenny first
04:53<josey_bosey>8 series cards are becoming more common as time goes on, obviously
04:53<jm_>luckily they will be replaced soon ;)
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04:55<josey_bosey>yea, nobody cares about nvidia anymore, they are all in love with ati now
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04:57<xayon>Hi.
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05:01<josey_bosey>"Hi" is a sentence fragment; not a sentence. Therefore, it is incorrect to end "Hi" with a period.
05:03<Vakio>I disagree.
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05:08<weasel>good morning.
05:08<xayon>Oh, my god, I tough this was #debian, not "#english"...
05:10<weasel>xayon: you are missing a space in front of your ellipsis, since you finished the word just in front of it :)
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05:10<xayon>What does ellipsis mean? :D
05:11<weasel> 3. (Printing) a printing symbol, usually three periods in a
05:11<weasel> row (. . .), indicating the omission of some part of a
05:11<weasel> text
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05:11<weasel>:)
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05:23<xayon>weasel, do you mean -> "#english" ...
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05:28<cojack>hi all
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05:37<tasosos>hello ppl
05:38<tasosos>in which repository can i find nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx?
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05:39<cojack>which?
05:39<cojack>IMO write abra-kadabra
05:39<cojack></kidding>
05:40<tasosos>:P
05:41<tasosos>nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx, what is nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx?
05:41<tasosos>this is what i get when i am trying to install legacy drivers
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05:41<cojack>do you download it from nvidia.com?
05:42<Vakio>No.
05:42<tasosos>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-783b4c1ece4093dca2810eeff7da15c17a2b031a
05:42<tasosos>i do as it says here
05:42<cojack>http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
05:42<cojack>try this
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05:43[~]Vakio wouldn't try it.
05:44<cojack>why not duno?
05:44<tasosos>why the repositories have only the 71xx version
05:44<cojack>where?
05:44<cojack>on nvidia.com?
05:45<tasosos>nope
05:45<tasosos>the official repository
05:45<cojack>they is official man...
05:45<Vakio>cojack: because The Debian Way™ of installing things is better.
05:45<Vakio>cojack: official Debian, not official NVidia :P
05:45<cojack>Vakio: xD
05:45<tasosos>apt-cahce search nvidia-kernel gives me only the 71xx version
05:46<tasosos>Vakio, i believe that too
05:46<tasosos>debian way is better
05:46<cojack>tasosos: I belive that what I see
05:46<tasosos>indeed
05:46<tasosos>and i see that nv is buggy with my vga probably
05:47<cojack>so if you can't search lagecy tnt to 4mx download from nvidia...
05:47<tasosos>cause my pc keeps freezing whenever it wants
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05:47<cojack>I never has problem with nvidia drivers on debian
05:48<tasosos>you say there isnt a repository with legacy drivers with the 96xx version?
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05:48<tasosos>i have with the nv driver
05:48<tasosos>thats why i need to test nvidia driver
05:48<cojack>what's your graphic card?
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05:48<tasosos>nvidia MX 440 agp8x
05:49<tasosos>an awful one
05:49<cojack>I have to
05:49<cojack>and I downloaded drivers from nvidia without problem with install
05:49<tasosos>so whats the procedure?
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05:49<tasosos>i download the drivers?
05:50<tasosos>go into console
05:50<tasosos>and sh the file?
05:50<cojack>exacly my friend has install me it :F
05:50<Vakio>tasosos: there's nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx in unstable.
05:50<tasosos>i have testing
05:51<cojack>http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11.html
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05:51<Vakio>I haven't used the nvidia drivers lately, so I don't know which packages you want.
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05:51<tasosos>cojack
05:51<cojack>what?
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05:51<tasosos>it works with the nvidia driver?
05:52<tasosos>not the legacy one?
05:52<cojack>it's legacy man
05:52<cojack>and I have it
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05:52<cojack>and for me works fine
05:52<cojack>if you got kernel panic :F
05:52<cojack>uninstal it xD
05:52<tasosos>ok let me see
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05:53<cojack>brb work
05:53<tasosos>thanks
05:53<cojack>np
05:54<Vakio>tasosos: doesn't the wiki say that they weren't split to 71xx and 96xx in Etch yet?
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05:57<Vakio>tasosos: so nvidia-kernel-legacy-$(uname -r) and nvidia-glx-legacy should be ok?
05:58<Vakio>tasosos: no, you said you were using testing.
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06:01<Vakio>tasosos: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx
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06:09<tasosos>Vakio, it crashed again can you give me one more time the last link?
06:10<Vakio>tasosos: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx
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06:13<tasosos>lol
06:13<tasosos>i see
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06:13<Nyle>Good Morning
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06:14<Nyle>another beautiful day today, birds chirping, cool winds blowing, the sun isn't fully up yet
06:14<Nyle>*huge smile*
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06:15<dcorbin>I can't find mod_ldap for apache2. Any ideas?
06:15<dcorbin>specifically, the .so
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06:17<Vakio>dcorbin: libapache2-mod-ldap-userdir ?
06:17<jm_>!tell dcorbin -about search
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06:17<dcorbin>my bad. mod_auth_ldap.
06:18<dcorbin>I searched in apt, with no joy.
06:18<dcorbin>(there is an apache 1) module.
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06:18<dcorbin>google searches suggest it's in apache2-common, but no joy.
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06:20<jm_>it is in there
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06:22<dcorbin>Well, it's not in my /usr/lib/apache2/modules directory
06:22<dcorbin>/usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_auth_ldap.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
06:22<jm_>ahh no, sorry, I missed your correction
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06:23<dcorbin>Is there an "apt command" that looks for who owns a particular file?
06:23<jm_>dpkg told you about it
06:24<jm_>but I can't find anything like you mentioned - are you sure it's correct?
06:24<dcorbin>so it did. I missed the file bit.
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06:26<ra9ftm>Hi all
06:27<ra9ftm>Is it possible to remotly close X session via SSH?
06:27<ra9ftm>w
06:27<ra9ftm>USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT
06:27<ra9ftm>ra9ftm pts/1 pppoe-257-143.er 22:53 0.00s 0.08s 0.01s sshd: ra9ftm [priv]
06:27<ra9ftm>ra9ftm :0 - 19:34 ?xdm? 6:31m 0.24s x-session-manager
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06:27<cojack>everything is posible ;)
06:27<cojack>away
06:27<ra9ftm>And how? ..
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06:29<gsimmons>dcorbin: If I'm reading the apache2 package changelog correctly, mod_auth_ldap was renamed to mod_authnz_ldap.
06:29<dcorbin>gsimmons: I noticed that module, but I don't think it's working for me. Let me try again.
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06:31<ra9ftm>Hmmm... It is... killall Xorg
06:32<jm_>kill session manager
06:33<dcorbin>gsimmons: well, that got it further. Apache now loads. I think that solves the debian aspects of my problems for now. Thanks.
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06:47<stager>Hi! I have a problem with running Debian Etch on AMD 64 X2 3800+. Chipset is nForce4 Ultra. After installing kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64 messages "warning: many lost ticks" and "Your time source seems to be instable or some drive..." appears in dmesg. I know that this is a known problem, but I can not solve it in my case. Yesterday I solved problem by adding "nosmp" to kernel boot parameters, but I do not like this solution. Does anyone know better solution (for
06:47<jm_>stager: try with clocksource= otpion
06:48<twb>Hiya; I just upgraded everything on my Sid box and I notice that yelp (the GNOME docbook browser) has forgotten how to render help pages -- they look just like when you browse to a random XML document in Firefox. Any idea what's going on? I vaguely suspect I need to hit scrollkeeper with a large trout.
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06:54<stager>jm_: thanks. I've tried "notsc" option but it didn't help :( I also read thread at http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5105 and saw this "clock=pit" or "clock=pmtmr", but didn't hear anything about
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06:56<stager>"clocksource". Thanks anyway...
06:56[~]stager going to read kernel documentation
06:56<sep>stager, is this a virtual machine ?
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06:59<stager>sep: no. It is "real" :) machine without any virtualization... I didn't noticed the problem until executing "sleep 10" started to make delays less than 1 sec... :(
06:59<jm_>stager: yeah clocksource is a replacement for clock= option
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07:01<sep>stager, sleep 10 makes a 10 second delay......
07:01<sep>or did you mean larger then 10 sec :)
07:01<sep>oh less then 1 sec..
07:01<sep>read you wrong
07:03<stager>sep: yes I know ;) But after "many lost ticks..." message apeeared, sleep starts to make very short delays... I think that kernel starts to calculate time incorrectly...
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07:07<stager>sep: When I said "less than 1 sec" I mean that delay was more than 10 times shorter from required....
07:09<stager>jm_: do you have any idea which clocksource will be most stable?
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07:13<Dagon_>hay guys
07:13<Dagon_>i need some help installing my ATi X700PRO
07:13<Dagon_>well, not installing but install the drivers :)
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07:19<jm_>stager: did you check which one your kernel picked now?
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07:24<stager>jm_: 'uname -r' gives: '2.6.18-5-amd64'
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07:24<jm_>stager: no, grep clock /var/log/dmesg
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07:28<stager>jm_: it's strange, but 'grep...' didn'f find any string 8-( )
07:29<jm_>stager: really? so there's nothing like "Time: ... clocksource has been installed"?
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07:32<stager>jm_: yes, nothing like that... :( By the way, here is kernel boot parameters: "root=/dev/md0 ro nosmp noapic acpi=off"
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07:33<jm_>stager: I wonder if these message was added in later version
07:33<jm_>this*
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07:34<jm_>stager: do you see anything in /sys/devices/system?
07:34<themill>jm_ 2.6.18-4-686 shows that.
07:34<jm_>themill: right, makes more sense, thanks
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07:37<stager>jm_: cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource gives "jiffies"
07:38<stager>jm_: cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource gives "jiffies" also...
07:38<jm_>stager: and available file in that dir says what?
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07:39<jm_>stager: really? I have nf4 board here: jiffies tsc pit
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07:39<jm_>stager: right now I am using tsc because during last boot it hanged without specifying it manually (it worked fine before), at home I have nf4 ultra and there it uses pit IIRC
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07:42<maik>hello everyone,.. i need help regarding on my wifi
07:43<stager>jm_: At home I have nf4 ultra too and it works ok, but at home I uses Mandriva 2007.0 with 2.6.17...
07:44<maik>its an 802.11 d/g wifi and im really having a hard time on it
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07:45<jm_>stager: maybe you don't have other clocksources because of those kernel options, but I also know they've made more changes in this area in the later kernels (I'm using 2.6.20 still)
07:47<i_suck>i realized that i suck so much
07:47<gsimmons>maik: What is the problem with your wireless device?
07:49<stager>jm_: may be you're right (regarding boot options), thanks anyway - it looks like the only way to solve a problem is to experiment with different boot options... thanks.
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07:50<maik>gsimmons: im having trouble with my wifi, i think i have already installed the module but when i launch the wifi radar, it did not detects any of the networks here at our office
07:50<maik>what seems to be the problem? :'C
07:51<i_suck>driver?
07:52<twb>i_suck: not today, Jeeves, I think I'll drive myself. Fetch my gloves and goggles
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07:54<ra9ftm>maik: I am running wifi with D-link G520 But cannot configure WPA-PSK authentification. Only WEP :(
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07:55<coir>Question of curiosity: what will Debian name its releases after it runs out of Toy Story characters?
07:55<twb>coir: stop releasing at all
07:55<jm_>hehe
07:55[~]coir smirks
07:55<twb>By then it will be 23 years per release anyway
07:56<twb>>troll troll< ;-)
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07:56<ra9ftm>maik: use module-assistant package to compile madwifi
07:56<Helel>hello :) I've got a little problem
07:56<ra9ftm>maik are you tried that?
07:56<Helel>can someone help me please ?
07:57<cojack>maybe
07:57<Helel>i've got an nvidia geforce 4 mx
07:57<cojack>next o.O
07:57<cojack>it's a plagiat
07:57<Helel>i've installed the proprietary drivers for 3d support but
07:58<twb>Boo.
07:58<Helel>if I run xcomposer or beryl or somewhat that uses rendering
07:58<Helel>i'll see just a frozen screen with a mobile mouse's pointer
07:58<i_suck>my computer's been hijacked for sure
07:58<coir>Why do you need proprietary drivers if it's an nvidia? o_O
07:59<Helel>'cause the opensource driver doesn't support 3d
07:59<coir>I see.
07:59<coir>Odd...
07:59<cojack>Helel: do You donwload it from nvidia.com?
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08:00<Helel>yes, i do
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08:00<cojack>hmmmmmmmmm
08:00<Helel>the driver gimme problems just when i'm using rendering
08:00<cojack>hmmm
08:00<cojack>do you check it in some game?
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08:01<Helel>i've just tried to run beryl and xcompmgr
08:01<cojack>soo
08:01<cojack>I can't help you, cause I don't know how to help
08:01<cojack>one qestion
08:02<Helel>thank you in any case :)
08:02<cojack>do you have newset drivers?
08:02<gsimmons>maik: Which module and what wireless device (eg. make/model) are you attempting to use?
08:02<Helel>yes they're
08:07<maik>gsimmons: 802.11 d/g and the module that i used is ath_pci
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08:11<gsimmons>maik: Are you sure there's an Atheros chipset in there? ("lspci" et al)
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08:14<maik>gsimmons: hmmmm that i dunno :)
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08:15<gsimmons>maik: No trouble. Provide the output you receive for "lspci" at a pastebin.
08:15<gsimmons>!paste
08:15<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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08:20<contraixunghe_dldc85>toi ko muon noi
08:20<contraixunghe_dldc85>ai do
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08:26<manphiz>it looks like some C++ bindings for gtk/gnome related thing are somehow quite not actively maintained. What procedure should I follow if I'm willing to help maintaining them?
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08:28<berto>manphiz: go to www.gtkmm.org
08:28<berto>and subscribe to the mailing list
08:28<manphiz>berto, ah, sorry to mention, I'm saying the Debian packages...
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08:28<berto>ah ok :)
08:28<berto>then contact the maintainer of the packages
08:29<manphiz>I emailed them a week ago, no answer yet. I'll keep waiting, but what if it keeps that way?
08:30<manphiz>should I follow a new maintainer procedure or something first?
08:31<Jkl82>Hi, I friend is having problems loading an script when he logs in as root... an script is loaded and restart a couple of service... with the rest of user is fine. I've been reading and I think that the problem is on a "person initialization filea" right?
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08:32<Jkl82>Is read that /etc/profile is the same that /etc/bash.bashrc..
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08:32<Jkl82>:s Is = I
08:32<zach>debian
08:32<zach>oops
08:32<zach>already in channel
08:33<zach>I need a lil support, I dont know how to log onto root
08:33<zach>from the login screen it says i cant log into root from the login screen
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08:34<stager>:Jkl82 Can you describe problem in more detail? Is where any error message after running script
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08:34<stager>:zach login as user and then - "su"
08:34<zach>lol, sorry, im new to linux
08:34<kurumin>OLA
08:35<stager>:zach I mean log in as non-root user and after login use "su" command to become root...
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08:35<zach>oh!
08:36<zach>i see
08:36<Jkl82>stager, tnx.. actually mi question is... "If I having problems loading scripts that runs when root (just root) login.... i should look at the personal file" right?
08:36<zach>didnt know you could do that
08:36<kurumin>hello
08:36<cojack>zach: do what?
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08:36<kurumin>spake portugues??
08:36<Jkl82>stager, in the .bash_profile
08:36<cojack>only english here ppl
08:37<Jkl82>stager, right?
08:37<zach>cojack: ise su to become root
08:37<zach>*use
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08:37<cojack>run console
08:37<cojack>write su
08:37<cojack>and write password to root
08:37<zach>in console
08:37<cojack>it's all
08:37<cojack>yeap
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08:37<cojack>what you use? KDE? GNOME FLUXBOX?
08:38<cojack>other?
08:38<zach>i think its gnome
08:38<zach>pretty sure
08:38<stager>:Jkl82 It depends... One of the usual problem is that root user do not have "." entry in his PATH variable (and he must not)...
08:38<cojack>so run cosole
08:38<zach>although im new to this open source stuff
08:38<cojack>You know how?
08:39<zach>terminal
08:39<cojack>yeap
08:39<zach>so i put in "su (pass for root) right?
08:39<cojack>no
08:39<cojack>write only su
08:39<zach>ok
08:39<cojack>and give enter
08:39<cojack>now write password
08:39<cojack>and you become root
08:40<cojack>pff on ubuntu it's more useful :F
08:40<berto>manphiz: I think that you can ask in debian-devel or debian-mentors
08:40<Jkl82>stager, ok... ¿what is/are the files when a user login? (files that load thing... profile things like that)
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08:41<Jkl82>stager, cto http://linuca.org/pipermail/linuxcantabria/2006-January/006913.html
08:41<cojack>some fies is a invisible right? That you mean?
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08:43<themill>!dotfiles
08:43<dpkg>hmm... dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles
08:43<themill>^^ whoever wants to know about login settings (.bash_profile etc)
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08:45<stager>Jkl82: /etc/profile , and then one of the ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login and ~/.profile (first found)
08:46<stager>Jkl82: At least my "man bash" told me so ;)
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08:48<stager>Jkl82: and link posted by dpkg is very interesting...
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08:49<manphiz>berto, thanks, I'll ask there
08:50<zach>im trying to edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, but it says that only owner can write to it
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08:50<zach>the SU command didnt help
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08:51<Jkl82>... I think I have clear somethings...
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08:51<Jkl82>But there is a new question...
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08:53<stager>Jkl82: just ask...
08:53<stager>Jkl82: I mean ask your question...
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08:53<Jkl82>Im want to run an script (in a server) to load a couple of service... so, if I use /etc/profile to load them, Im gonna have a problem when root login from some other side, which means that root will run the scripts again (or any other user cuz /etc/profile is for all)
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08:55<Jkl82>But!, I need to load my service just when the server load services (energy off -> on) at least when the server restart.
08:57<cojack>hmmmm
08:57<cojack>it's was be somwhere
08:57<cojack>but I forgot :D
08:57<stager>:Jkl82: you should not start services/daemons this way...
08:57<Jkl82>Thats the reason for scripts in /etc/profile... and if I use copy-paste to a personal profile (i.e. root) I have to login as root..
08:58<Jkl82>stager, well actually they are just scripts to do a couple of process, not daemons
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09:00<stager>Jkl82: Simple way - add your script to /etc/init.d directory and create symlinks in rc?.d director to point to your script. Look at scripts and links in that dirs for examples...
09:00<Jkl82>Ok, the problem I guess is, try to load scripts at the begin... without restart those scripts everytime that someone use ssh and login
09:00<lupine_85>the naming scheme is important, in rc?.d
09:01<RODRIGOLOBO>WWW.VZZJHJUJEUIWQS
09:01<stager>lupine_85: yes, you're right...
09:01<Jkl82>stager, ;)
09:01<lupine_85>S??<name> for an active script
09:01<lupine_85>also note that rc2.d is the default runlevel
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09:02<lupine_85>oh, and the scripts should be able to cope with start, stop, restart and reload args
09:02<lupine_85>(and act sanely)
09:02<Jkl82>stager, One of those service (in /etc/init.d) is loading first that one-many of my scripts...
09:02<Jkl82>any advice about how should I change priority for /etc/init.d starting service?
09:03<Jkl82>Just give a previous number?
09:03<Jkl82>stager, or should I rtfm?
09:05<stager>:Jkl82 scripts starts in order of numbers in their symlinks (can't describe it more clearly in English :( ) and rtfm of course ;)
09:05<stager>s/starts/start/
09:06<Jkl82>stager, well I think that u stager and u guys have help a lot! thanx... Im gonna practice :)
09:07<stager>Jkl82: look here: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Run_Levels.html
09:08<Jkl82>stager, Thank you
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09:11<Jkl82>stager, one last question (for today).. is there any command to show the run level?
09:12<tweakt>runlevel
09:13<Jkl82>tweakt, thanx!
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09:15<coir>Where is a list of all available Debian repo servers?
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09:15<JasonS>!mirrors
09:15<dpkg>i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/
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09:34<manou>hi from france
09:35<manou>fast call
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09:35<manou>i have recompile the kernel
09:35<manou>how can i recreate the grub please ?
09:35<manou>i am paying
09:35<manou>please quick help
09:35<manou>thanks
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09:37<Eulex>manou, you add the kernel manually to /boot/grub/menu.lst... or compile a kernel the debian way, then that will be taken care of automatically.
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09:37<manou>i did that
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09:37<manou>but grub doesn't like me
09:37<manou>ok, i will do automatically
09:37<manou>fast help please
09:38<manou>i man
09:38<manou>mena
09:38<manou>mean
09:38<manou>manually
09:38<manou>sorry for the flood
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09:38<zizban>I am trying to use an old debian debian--it wants xlibs 4.1 or greater
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09:39<zizban>is there a way to install these libs or fool the package into thinking I have them?
09:39<Eulex>manou, take a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst. add a new entry for the new kernel. you've got at least one example of how to do it already in there, so it should be simple.
09:39<Jkl82>manou, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en
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09:39<TIBS02>ello
09:39<TIBS02>n e one ere
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09:40<manou>do you think i have all time in life dost, Jkl82
09:40<manou>i am in text mode
09:40<manou>no woriing x
09:40<manou>that's why i want to recompile
09:40<Jkl82>use lynx
09:40<TIBSS01>right i just plugged a webcam in my debian box do i have to reboot for the kernel to reconize it
09:40<Eulex>or links or w3m
09:40<Jkl82>manou, do u practice parkour? :p
09:40<manou>in fact my prob is my mouse doesn't want to wark
09:40<manou>it's lazy the bastard
09:41<manou>lol
09:41<manou>what is parkour? :)
09:41<TIBSS01>?
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09:41<cahoot>TIBSS01, no - does it show up in dmesg?
09:41<Eulex>manou, ... you recompiled your kernel to try to make your mouse work?
09:41<manou>no
09:41<TIBSS01>no its in single mode
09:41<manou>i just make enter enter
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09:41<manou>the old config
09:41<TIBSS01>not kde
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09:41<gass>hello there
09:41<manou>from new debian etch
09:41<toupeira>hi
09:41<TIBSS01>im trying to run a webcam server
09:41<Eulex>manou, did you build an initrd?
09:41<manou>no
09:41<manou>how can i do this please ?
09:41<cahoot>TIBSS01, does the camera show up in dmesg?
09:41<TIBSS01>but i need the deivice tobe reconized by the box first
09:41<manou>thanks
09:42<gass>i am unable to print in evince. it complains: (evince:8198): Gtk-WARNING **: Unsupported unit ... but it prints from evolution, in lenny
09:42<TIBSS01>nup
09:42<toupeira>what's the easiest way to setup a mail relay which does recipient address verification (both for the domain and local port) using callouts to the main mailserver?
09:42<manou>Eulex ?
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09:42<manou>ping Eulex
09:42<toupeira>preferably using postfix
09:42<TIBSS01>when i plugged it in
09:42<Eulex>manou, create one, the default config won't work without an initrd. in any case, why compile a kernel that is equivalent to the default one?
09:42<TIBSS01>nothing come up in ssh
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09:43<Eulex>TIBSS01, did you try dmesg?
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09:43<Eulex>manou, or are you on sarge?
09:43<manou>because the mouse pad dead
09:43<manou>no
09:43<manou>etch
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09:44<Eulex>manou, rather keep the default kernel. compiling a new kernel that is equivalent to the default one won't make that issue go away.
09:44<TIBSS01>im gonna try it now
09:44<Eulex>manou, for the mousepad problem -- configure your xorg correctly.
09:45<TIBSS01>shell1:~# dmsg
09:45<TIBSS01>-bash: dmsg: command not found
09:45<TIBSS01>shell1:~#
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09:45<twb>TIBSS01: read.
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09:45<manou>date
09:45<Eulex>TIBSS01, please use your own personal internal spell checker.
09:45<Eulex>aka brain ;)
09:45<TIBSS01>done it
09:45<TIBSS01>lol
09:46<TIBSS01>im looking now
09:46<manou>i will try thanks Eulex
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09:46<manou>sometimes i cant think
09:46<manou>lol
09:46<manou>bye now
09:46<manou>thanks
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09:47<zizban>hmmm
09:47<zizban>is it possible to use oldstable?
09:47<Eulex>zizban, very possible. but not recommended if you can avoid it.
09:47<TIBSS01>PCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 00:07.2
09:47<TIBSS01>usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0x1440, IRQ 9
09:47<TIBSS01>usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports
09:47<TIBSS01>usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
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09:47<TIBSS01>oops
09:48<zizban>well I am trying to get this old package to install
09:48<zizban>and it needs xlibs 4.1 +
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09:48<zizban>oldstable might do it
09:48<Eulex>zizban, it's as possible as it is possible to use windows 95 ;)
09:48<zizban>ah
09:48<zizban>I see
09:48<zizban>d'oh!
09:48<Eulex>zizban, the install xlibs 4.1.
09:48<zizban>eh?
09:48<TIBSS01>look Eulex
09:48<TIBSS01>in pc
09:49<cahoot_>TIBSS01, what camera is this?
09:49<Eulex>*then
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09:49<zizban>I'd love to install xlibs 4.1 but those are in oldstable (I believe)
09:49<TIBSS01>its a genius
09:49<TIBSS01>videocam trek
09:49<TIBSS01>usb camera
09:49<zizban>yup in old stabl;e
09:49<TIBSS01>?
09:49<Eulex>zizban, right, oldstable has xlibs-dev 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge3
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09:49<zizban>right
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09:50<zizban>so I'd have to enable oldstable to get 'em ;)
09:50<Eulex>zizban, emh, you're running oldstable 'overall', right?
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09:50<zizban>no :(
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09:50<zizban>lol
09:50<Eulex>zizban, newer versions of debian have the xlibs dev stuff split into several packages.
09:50<Eulex>zizban, then don't try to install that one.
09:50<zizban>ya its getting this old package to see those thats the challenge
09:50<zizban>curese old unmaintained windowmanagers ;)
09:51<Eulex>zizban, this old package? what are you trying to install?
09:51<zizban>epiwm
09:51<Eulex>zizban, and how are you trying to install it?
09:51<zizban>http://www.nongnu.org/epiwm/
09:51<Eulex>!tell TIBSS01 about pastebin
09:51<zizban>dpkg -i epiwn.deb
09:51[~]dpkg installs epiwn.deb into zizban's head with a bone saw and a few screws
09:51<zizban>heh
09:52<Eulex>zizban, don't use that package if you can avoid it; install, build it manually. or rebuild the package yourself.
09:52<zizban>ya I was afraid of that
09:52<zizban>but if I must
09:52<cahoot_>TIBSS01, run lsusb and do a google search using the id # (like 046d:c510)
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09:52<Eulex>zizban, if you really must, there's equivs
09:52<zizban>well its not that important
09:53<TIBSS01>http://paste.lisp.org/display/48353
09:53<TIBSS01>look at that
09:53<Eulex>!tell zizban about equivs
09:53<TIBSS01>i got a paste bin ow
09:53<ErJeDi>go to go
09:53<ErJeDi>byeeee
09:53<zizban>I'll have to figure out how to rebuild it without the xlibs dependence
09:53<zizban>s
09:53<TIBSS01>im still trying to install my webcam
09:53<TIBSS01>thats what the hardware listed it
09:53<TIBSS01>http://paste.lisp.org/display/48353.
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09:54<zizban>ahhh
09:54<zizban>I see
09:54<Eulex>zizban, I bet it really needs those dependencies; however, package names changed between sarge and etch
09:54<zizban>I bet too
09:54<zizban>too bad
09:54<zizban>I like that WM
09:54<TIBSS01>do i have to run a usb scan for it tobe detected
09:54<TIBSS01>or will it just reconize it when i plug it in
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09:55<TIBSS01>?
09:55<lupine_85>TIBSS01: should be automagically detected
09:55<TIBSS01>mmm
09:55<lupine_85>though you might need to modprobe the module for it manually
09:56<TIBSS01>how do i do that
09:56<lupine_85>dmesg will keep you updated
09:56<Eulex>man modprobe
09:56<lupine_85>modprobe <module>
09:56<TIBSS01>yer
09:56<TIBSS01>so it should be
09:56<TIBSS01>erm /usr/video0
09:56<TIBSS01>aint it
09:56<TIBSS01>or /dev/video0
09:56<zizban>hmmm FreeBSD has it...I wonder how they got it working? hmmmm
09:56[~]zizban thinks
09:56<lupine_85>/dev
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09:57<lupine_85>you might need to create the device node manually - google has the details
09:57<TIBSS01>manso if i modeprobe /dev/video0
09:57<lupine_85>...no
09:57<lupine_85>a device node is not a module
09:57<Eulex>zizban, etch has it too, but the package was *split* from the monolithic xlibs to several packages.
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09:57<zizban>ahhh
09:58<Eulex>zizban, so yes, etch has xlibs, but it is in several packages.
09:58<zizban>and there aint no way old epiwm will see those
09:58<zizban>I'll have to work on it
09:58<Eulex>zizban, the problem isn't epiwm.
09:58<zizban>whats the problem?
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09:58<Eulex>zizban, the problem is that package you've got there. it depends on the xlibs package, which doesn't exist in etch.
09:58[~]zizban isn't the brightest bulb in the box, somtimes
09:59<zizban>right
09:59<Eulex>it would have to be changed to depend on the right packages (the ones with the functionality of xlibs that it needs)
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10:00<zizban>so the deb would have to be rebuilt
10:00<zizban>I only code some perl
10:00<Eulex>zizban, yes
10:00<zizban>this ought be fun ;)
10:00<zizban>I better get RTFMing
10:01<Eulex>zizban, in any case, epiwm itself might work correctly (no guarantee when installing something made for sarge on etch) if you just can convince the package that you've got what you need already installed. that's why I suggested equivs. with it, you van convince it that you've got the xlibs package installed.
10:01<lupine_85>dpkg-buildpackage is your friend
10:01<lupine_85>or apt-get -b source
10:01<zizban>cool
10:01<zizban>I'll try those
10:01<Eulex>lupine_85, if he has the package source, yes
10:01<lupine_85>heh, true
10:01<zizban>heh
10:01<lupine_85>less trivial if you don't have the source
10:01<zizban>true
10:02<lupine_85>indeed, you could say that it's impossible if you don't have the source
10:02<zizban>Oh the source is available as a tarball
10:02<cahoot_>TIBSS01, you might use module-assitant to build the spcaxx module - it *might* work with that camera - not documented as supported though
10:02<Eulex>well, he could create his own package, then use dpkg-buildpackage. and put it in his own apt repo. then he could do apt-get -b source ;)
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10:03<zizban>the trick is creating my own package out of the source
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10:03<lupine_85>indeed
10:03<zizban>heh
10:03<zizban>I'll try equiv
10:03<zizban>then go hardcore
10:04<zizban>thanks all
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10:12<Greyscale>bcm43xx-fwcutter is broken!
10:12<Greyscale>Help!
10:12<Greyscale>D:
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10:18<fendy>server serv-4-12-204.lycos-vds.com
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10:20<gsimmons>Greyscale: Using Debian 4.0? (Etch)
10:20<Greyscale>I fixed it
10:20<Greyscale>and yes
10:20<Greyscale>Debian etch
10:21<gsimmons>!bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
10:21<dpkg>"apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter". Reply "No" when asked to fetch and install firmware. "cd /lib/firmware && wget http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && bcm43xx-fwcutter wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && rm wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o". Version 3 firmware for the bcm43xx driver is now installed.
10:21<Greyscale>damnit
10:22<Greyscale>I had to find that out the hard way
10:22<Greyscale>why has noone fixed the package?
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10:24<gsimmons>Greyscale: It's been fixed in later version of this package (see bug #437488).
10:25<Greyscale>Hmm
10:25<Greyscale>Why hasn't the fixed package been moved back to stable?
10:25<Greyscale>Some of us want things that work that aren't bleeding-edge
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10:26<chealer>Greyscale: it's not considered an important bug for now.
10:27<Greyscale>Not.. important?
10:27<Greyscale>It'd take like, 5 minuites to push the fix downstream
10:27<Greyscale>its just a case of changing a domain
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10:31<chealer>Greyscale: yes. the bug's current severity is normal.
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10:36<tekker>hi
10:36<tekker>someone help me?
10:36<tekker>i've a prob w a kernel module
10:37<tekker>for dwl-d122 c1
10:37<tekker>plz...
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10:39<maxamillion>!ask > tekker
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10:39<tekker>:)
10:39<maxamillion>bah ... i have to leave
10:39<maxamillion>bbl
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10:40<tekker>i'm compiling a module
10:40<tekker>rt73
10:40<tekker>on lenny
10:40<tekker>for dwl-g122 c1
10:40<tekker>i'm fallowing some how-to
10:41<tekker>i arrive to ./Configure
10:41<tekker>where i must enter the kernel source's path
10:41<tekker>when i do make all
10:41<tekker>the compiler give me errorsa
10:42<cahoot_>tekker, installed linux-headers-$(uname -r) ?
10:42<tekker>si
10:42<tekker>yes
10:42<tekker>sorry i'm italian
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10:42<cahoot_>nothing to be sorry about
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10:43<cahoot_>tekker, the first error is often the important
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10:46<tekker>...
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10:47<dropshot>hi
10:47<dropshot>how do i compile a file so that the .c extension is removed. cant i specify the new filename when i run gcc? something like a -o option?
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10:47<tekker>gcc -c file
10:47<tekker>i think...
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10:48<tekker>cahoot --> entering directory
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10:48<tekker>of kernel source
10:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 328] by debhelper
10:49<tekker>return in the current dir
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10:49<tekker>and --> no rule to make target
10:49<tekker>leaving dir of source
10:50<tekker>make all Error 2
10:50<tekker>????
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10:51<isuckatlinux>i need help to find out why this alsa drivers are not detecting my mic, it is a laptop im using alsa 1.0.13-5, alsa mixer only shows master and pcm volume, no capture tab
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10:51<dropshot>sorry. i meant how do i compile a file so that it does not output as <filename>.o?
10:51<cahoot_>did the ./configure step proceed without error/warning? tekker
10:51<tekker>no
10:52<cahoot_>so that's what you need fix first
10:52<tekker>???
10:53<tekker>re try
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10:54<cahoot_>the configure script did point out something was wrong - no? that's what you have to fix
10:54<chealer>dropshot: just $ gcc foo.c; should be OK
10:55<dropshot>that creates the file foo.o
10:56<tekker>no error in the config script
10:57<tekker>cahoot!
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10:59<cahoot_>tekker, sorry I'm getting a bit confused here
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11:00<tekker>cah??
11:00<cahoot_>the ./configure step proceed without error/warning?
11:00<tekker>no
11:01<cahoot_>what did it complain about?
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11:02<tekker>?
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11:06<isuckatlinux>i need help to find out why this alsa drivers are not detecting my mic, it is a laptop im using alsa 1.0.13-5, alsa mixer only shows master and pcm volume, no capture tab
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11:07<stoffepojken>exit
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11:07<v4mpire>hey guys any of you have any knowledge on gnupanel ?
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11:11<cahoot_>tekker, this might help you: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RT73_Wireless
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11:19<cahoot_>isuckatlinux, a hda-intel device?
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11:19<isuckatlinux>yes sr, intel hda
11:19<cahoot_>isuckatlinux, if that's the case I'd suspect faulty alsadriver
11:20<isuckatlinux>dang, should i compile the new ones?
11:20<mikkel>heya.. my laptop keeps crashing when i try to run my ipw3945 wireless card..
11:20<isuckatlinux>weird mikkel, that card is fully supported
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11:20<mikkel>if i turn the killswitch on it says i gotta turn it off.
11:20<cahoot_>isuckatlinux, you might try some option described in ALSA-Configuration.txt
11:20<v4mpire>cahoot_, u wouldn't happen to know anything about gnupanel would u ?
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11:21<cahoot_>v4mpire, right - no
11:21<isuckatlinux>it's not easy to read cause the ALSA txt is not for debian, and debian organizes the modules different
11:21<v4mpire>damn
11:21<mikkel>where to check what happens when i modprobe it? there must be a log for it.
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11:22<isuckatlinux>mikkel did u download and compile the new driver?
11:22<isuckatlinux>then depmod and modprobe it
11:22<mikkel>no just running binaries
11:22<cahoot_>isuckatlinux, any option you want can be added to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
11:22<isuckatlinux>try that yesterday that worked for my mikkel
11:22<isuckatlinux>ok, i'll try that cahoot_ thanks
11:23<cahoot_>then just reload alsa
11:23<cahoot_>like invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
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11:24<mikkel>well i'd rather know what happens when i flip the switch
11:24<isuckatlinux>yup, I'll try that, and then the new modules, even thou the ones i have are only 1 version behind
11:24<mikkel>seems really strange that the system just hangs
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11:25<isuckatlinux>yup, never seen that with a wireless card, any logs?
11:25<mikkel>well thats what i want to know :p where to find the logs for it?
11:25<mikkel>kernel says it's ok.
11:25<mikkel>but proc dosnt list the device
11:25<isuckatlinux>just do grep -ir "ipw3945" /var/log/*
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11:27<mikkel>permission denied
11:27<mikkel>(did that as root)
11:27<cahoot_>really?
11:28<cahoot_>if you get permission denied for root you have more severe problems than wifi
11:29<mikkel>nah just file busy
11:29<mikkel>how to skip a dir?
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11:29<TIBSS01>ello
11:29<TIBSS01>im still aving trouble getting this webcam
11:29<TIBSS01>enabled
11:30<TIBSS01>someone help me
11:30<mikkel>./var/log/acpid: text file busy
11:30<TIBSS01>ive rebooted
11:30<mikkel>soes cant really grep from there :]
11:31<cahoot_>TIBSS01, did you use module-assistant to build the spcaxx module?
11:31<TIBSS01>ill do it now
11:31<isuckatlinux>what aobut --exclude=/var/log/acpid
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11:31<cahoot_>TIBSS0 it *might* work with that camera - not documented as supported though
11:32<v4mpire>Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'domain error: No address associated with hostname
11:32<v4mpire>how do i turn on ipv6
11:32<isuckatlinux>why use proftpd when u have vsftpd
11:33<cahoot_>why use ftp?
11:33<isuckatlinux>i use ftp for backups
11:33<v4mpire>because im using it for testing with gnupanel
11:34<fxiny>i use vsftpd+duplicity or ionice/ssh
11:34<isuckatlinux>what is duplicity
11:34<fxiny>but i hate ftp
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11:34<TIBSS01>ang on
11:34<TIBSS01>im gonna do it now
11:34<TIBSS01>odule-assistant
11:35<TIBSS01>shell1:~# module-assistant
11:35<TIBSS01>-bash: module-assistant: command not found
11:35<TIBSS01>shell1:~#
11:35<dondelelcaro>!installit
11:35<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
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11:36<TIBSS01>?
11:36<cahoot_>apt-get/aptitude install module-assistant
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11:37<TIBSS01>shell1:~# apt-get/aptitude install module-assistant
11:37<TIBSS01>-bash: apt-get/aptitude: No such file or directory
11:37<TIBSS01>shell1:~#
11:37<TIBSS01>:|
11:37<cahoot_>use apt-get *or* aptitude
11:37<Eulex>TIBSS01, / = slash = either of.
11:38<TIBSS01>got yta
11:38<TIBSS01>installing
11:38<TIBSS01>installed
11:38<TIBSS01>now wot
11:38<TIBSS01>:/
11:38<cahoot_>m-a prepare
11:39<TIBSS01>done
11:39<TIBSS01>now ?
11:39<cahoot_>m-a
11:39<TIBSS01>ok
11:39<cahoot_>and follow instructions/intuition
11:39<TIBSS01>now
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11:39<TIBSS01>right
11:39<TIBSS01>overview
11:40<TIBSS01>update
11:40<TIBSS01>prepaire
11:40<cahoot_>try select
11:40<TIBSS01>right brought up a list
11:40<TIBSS01>now look for webcam ?
11:40<cahoot_>spcaxx (or maybe gspca)
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11:41<TIBSS01>ok
11:41<TIBSS01>got spca5xx
11:41<TIBSS01>x that ?
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11:41<cahoot_>hit space to select it then ok
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11:42<TIBSS01> done
11:42<TIBSS01>got list search
11:42<TIBSS01>get
11:42<TIBSS01>build
11:42<cahoot_>build
11:42<TIBSS01>install
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11:42<TIBSS01>ok ok downloading from the net
11:42<TIBSS01>error
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11:43<TIBSS01>bad luck the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found
11:43<TIBSS01>and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use
11:43<cahoot_>prepare should have fixed that
11:43<TIBSS01>now wot :/
11:43<jo91nb>I've got some trouble to make a backup from skolelinux2.0 server to a 2Gb USB-penn. dmesg | tail
11:43<jo91nb>usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using address 11
11:43<jo91nb>scsi7 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
11:43<jo91nb>
11:43|-|jo91nb kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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11:44<TIBSS01>ok wot shall i do now
11:44<cahoot_>TIBSS01, you don't happen to run a custom kernel?
11:44<TIBSS01>shell1:~# uname -a
11:44<TIBSS01>Linux shell1.gibbs-hosting.co.uk 2.4.27-3-386 #1 Wed Dec 6 00:38:33 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
11:44<TIBSS01>shell1:~#
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11:45<behael>t
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11:45<TIBSS01>?
11:46<TIBSS01>your lost now aint ya
11:46<TIBSS01>lol
11:46<cahoot_>true
11:46<jo91nb>How to mount a USB-penn and how to fint it?
11:46<valdyn>TIBSS01: aptitude install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
11:46<kneet>ntop on etch - any clues as to why opening the web page (several browsers, different machines, different OSes) shows as blank - but using GET (libwww-perl) shows the HTML of the page. I am confused
11:46<TIBSS01>doing now
11:46<TIBSS01>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kernel-headers-2.4.27-3-386"
11:47<TIBSS01>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
11:47<TIBSS01>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
11:47<TIBSS01>Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
11:47<TIBSS01>Writing extended state information... Done
11:47<TIBSS01>shell1:~#
11:47<fxiny>2.4.27 ?
11:47<valdyn>!info kernel-headers-2.4.27-3-386 sarge
11:47<dpkg>kernel-headers-2.4.27-3-386: (Linux 2.4.27 kernel headers for 386), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-10sarge5 (sarge), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 19080 kB
11:47<TIBSS01>?
11:47<fxiny>that's not a custom kernel , that's an ancient kernel
11:47<TIBSS01>so how i update the kernel then
11:48<valdyn>TIBSS01: replace 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list with sarge, if you really are on sarge
11:48<TIBSS01>if its outdated
11:48<TIBSS01>ok
11:48<TIBSS01>only thing
11:48<TIBSS01>thats un hashed
11:48<v4mpire>guys any clue on
11:48<TIBSS01>is
11:48<v4mpire>421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
11:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 325] by debhelper
11:49<TIBSS01>deb ftp://ftp.ticklers.org/debian etch main contrib
11:49<TIBSS01>everything else is hashed
11:49<TIBSS01>#deb ftp://debian.blueyonder.co.uk/pub/debian/ etch main
11:49<TIBSS01>#deb-src ftp://debian.blueyonder.co.uk/pub/debian/ etch main
11:49<TIBSS01>#deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
11:49<valdyn>TIBSS01: etch is the latest stable, it has no and does not support any 2.4 kernel
11:49<TIBSS01>right
11:49<jo91nb>Is it more easy to conect an windows XP-computer and make a backup on that one?
11:50<TIBSS01>so how do i sort out the kernel
11:50<TIBSS01>or download a new one
11:50<valdyn>TIBSS01: who did set up that mess?
11:50<TIBSS01>me :S
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11:50<TIBSS01>done a net install
11:50<TIBSS01>last yr
11:50<valdyn>TIBSS01: a sarge netinstall
11:51<valdyn>TIBSS01: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
11:51<valdyn>TIBSS01: then reboot and try see if that kernel works ok
11:51<TIBSS01>type that yr
11:51<TIBSS01>so do i edit any of these address's
11:51<TIBSS01>or leave etch in them
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11:51<TIBSS01>or change them to sarge
11:51<valdyn>TIBSS01: etch is fine
11:52<TIBSS01>ok
11:52<fxiny>or reinstall from scratch :P
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11:52<TIBSS01>downloading
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11:54<TIBSS01>compiling
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11:54<cahoot_>I wonder how his module compilation will turn out wrt gcc versions
11:55<TIBSS01>were see in a min
11:56<TIBSS01>just doing a dist upgrade
11:56<TIBSS01>ang on
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11:57<TIBSS01>man theres loads of updates
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11:58<fxiny>you'll be sanctified
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11:59<TIBSS01>rebooting
11:59<TIBSS01>the server now
11:59<fxiny>already done ?
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11:59<fxiny>wt4x !
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11:59<TIBSS01>booting up
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12:00[~]JasonS wonders if TIBSS01 knows we don't need a play by play of what is happening
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12:00<TIBSS01>:/
12:00<cahoot_>well it has a slight entertaiment value
12:00<JasonS>cahoot_: true
12:00<cahoot_>like some modern lyrics
12:01<fxiny>R.E.M rulez
12:01<tekker>cahoot
12:01<tekker>i resolved
12:01<TIBSS01>ITS BOOTED
12:02<TIBSS01>Linux shell1.gibbs-hosting.co.uk 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 26 17:54:59 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
12:02<TIBSS01>shell1:~#
12:02<tekker>i put the files to compile the rt73.ko
12:02<cahoot_>!beer
12:02<dpkg>methinks beer is liquid gold mate
12:02<fxiny>it is
12:02<TIBSS01>ok
12:02<TIBSS01>now wot
12:02<tekker>in a dir with space
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12:03<tekker>word1 word2
12:03<cahoot_>m-a prepare etcetera
12:03<TIBSS01>that to me
12:03<TIBSS01>Caesar
12:03<TIBSS01>cahoot_
12:03<cahoot_>yes TIBSS01
12:04<TIBSS01>installing again
12:04<TIBSS01>done
12:05<TIBSS01>next cahoot_
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12:05<cahoot_>m-a, then select, build, install, pray
12:06<TIBSS01>wot was it
12:06<TIBSS01>sp something
12:06<cahoot_>spca5xx
12:06<TIBSS01>got ya
12:06<TIBSS01>build starting
12:06<TIBSS01>:)
12:07<fxiny>too slow
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12:07<cahoot_>TIBSS01, don't make your hopes too high - the docs don't promise support for your camera
12:08<TIBSS01>ok
12:08<TIBSS01>erm
12:08<fxiny>and the docs are holy docs
12:08<TIBSS01>it said did i wanna install the module
12:08<TIBSS01>i said yes
12:08<TIBSS01>now its gone back to the menu
12:08<cahoot_>you want hat
12:08<cahoot_>that
12:08<TIBSS01>list search get build install back
12:08<cahoot_>tab yourself out of m-a
12:09<TIBSS01>im out of it
12:09<cahoot_>connect the cam and check dmesg
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12:10<kneet>OK - can anyone spot why http://bryanek.chrissearle.org:3000/ is misbehaving? Works fine via telnet/wget - but not any graphical browser I have tried
12:10<TIBSS01>dmesguhci_hcd 0000:00:07.2: irq 9, io base 0x00001420
12:10<TIBSS01>usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
12:10<TIBSS01>hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
12:10<TIBSS01>hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
12:10<TIBSS01>hda: max request size: 128KiB
12:10|-|TIBSS01 kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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12:10<kneet>Its etch/ntop
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12:10<TIBSS01>.
12:11<TIBSS01>wot do i look for
12:11<TIBSS01>the camera genius ?
12:11<cahoot_>you can put the last 10 lines of dmesg on a pastebin
12:11<TIBSS01>ok
12:12<TIBSS01>wots the paste bin addy again
12:12<cahoot_>TIBSS01, /msg dpkg paster
12:12<TIBSS01>ahh
12:12<TIBSS01>found it
12:12<TIBSS01>usb 2-2: SN9C10[12] PC Camera Controller detected (vid/pid 0x0C45/0x6007)
12:13<TIBSS01>:D
12:13<cahoot_>ok see if xawtv can access it
12:13<cahoot_>or just go for motion directly
12:13<TIBSS01>shell1:~# xawtv
12:13<TIBSS01>This is xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.18-5-686)
12:13<TIBSS01>Error: Can't open display:
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12:13<TIBSS01>im only in text mode
12:13<cahoot_>ok
12:13<TIBSS01>not kde
12:14<TIBSS01>i wanna run a webcam server
12:14<TIBSS01>from like apache or something
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12:14<cahoot_>look at 'motion'
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12:14<TIBSS01>wot in apt-get
12:15<cahoot_>that's the way to install in debian
12:15<Eulex>!tell TIBSS01 about search
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12:16<TIBSS01>shell1:~# apt-get motion
12:16<TIBSS01>E: Invalid operation motion
12:16<JasonS>TIBSS01: install
12:17<cahoot_>TIBSS01, try apt-get show motion
12:17<TIBSS01>ddownloading
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12:17<TIBSS01>ok now to setup motion
12:17<TIBSS01>:/
12:18<TIBSS01>if anyone can help plzzz :/
12:18<cahoot_>TIBSS01, motion has a very fine site - try google
12:19<TIBSS01>lol
12:19<TIBSS01>saying its for apple :/
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12:19<cahoot_>http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome
12:19<kurumin>hello
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12:22<Supaplex>humm there's like a mountian of font packages. which ones do I need to address this xorg fatal error? No valid FontPath could be found.
12:25<TIBSS01>right
12:25<TIBSS01>how do i find out where the video module is
12:26<TIBSS01>for an example /dev/video0
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12:27<cahoot_>TIBSS01, *if* the camera is supported /dev/video0 should exist now (AFAIK)'
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12:28<TIBSS01>[1] Failed to open video device /dev/video0: No such file or directory
12:28<TIBSS01>[1] Motion Exits
12:28<TIBSS01>shell1:/usr/bin#
12:29<TIBSS01>now wot :/
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12:29<TIBSS01>thing is it said it was detected
12:30<TIBSS01>:/
12:30<TIBSS01>usb 2-2: SN9C10[12] PC Camera Controller detected (vid/pid 0x0C45/0x6007)
12:30<TIBSS01>see
12:31<TIBSS01>wot do i do now :/
12:31<TIBSS01>u lot stuck now
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12:31<neur1>hello
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12:32<cahoot_>TIBSS01, does lsmod list v4l-common - used by spca5xx or such?
12:32<TIBSS01>what in dmesh
12:32<TIBSS01>what in dmesg
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12:33<Supaplex>!u
12:33<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
12:33<Supaplex>!tell TIBSS01 -about enter
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12:33<cahoot_>TIBSS01, run lsmod | grep v4l
12:33<TIBSS01>shell1:~# lsmod | grep v4l
12:33<TIBSS01>v4l1_compat 12036 1 videodev
12:33<TIBSS01>v4l2_common 20448 2 sn9c102,videodev
12:34<TIBSS01>:S
12:34<cahoot_>looks promising
12:34<TIBSS01>:S
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12:35<cahoot_>ls /dev/video*
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12:35<TIBSS01>tibs01@shell1:~$ ls /dev/video*
12:35<TIBSS01>ls: /dev/video*: No such file or directory
12:35<TIBSS01>tibs01@shell1:~$
12:36<TIBSS01>u stuck yet :P
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12:36<JasonS>patience TIBSS01
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12:36<TIBSS01>oh great hes gone
12:36<TIBSS01>:(
12:37<TIBSS01>now im in shit
12:37<TIBSS01>lol
12:38<TIBSS01>jay yer
12:39<TIBSS01>anyone have any idea wot todo now :/
12:40<Supaplex>jay yer? wot?
12:40<JasonS>cant even read what you're typing TIBSS01 :)
12:40<Supaplex>it might help if you don't "txtspeak", more of will understand...
12:40<TIBSS01>ok basicly just trying to get my webcam to work with motion
12:41<TIBSS01>but /dev/video0 dont work
12:41<Supaplex>usb one?
12:41<TIBSS01>:/
12:41<TIBSS01>yes
12:41<Supaplex>what's lsusb show for it?
12:41<Supaplex>paste *ONE* line.
12:41<Supaplex>eg, its line.
12:41<TIBSS01>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0c45:6007 Microdia
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12:42<TIBSS01>thers 3 come up
12:42<Supaplex>do you know if this webcam is supported in linux?
12:42<TIBSS01>aint got a clue
12:42<Supaplex>ok. not all usb devices are supported, but I'll see what I can do to give you an idea (if I don't flat out figure it out)
12:43<TIBSS01>ok dokie
12:43<TIBSS01>wwanna know what it is
12:43<Supaplex>if you want, use http://rafb.net/paste to show all of lsusb
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12:43<Supaplex>yea
12:43<TIBSS01>its a genius videocam trek
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12:44<Supaplex>is sn9c102 loaded?
12:44<Supaplex>description: V4L2 driver for SN9C10x PC Camera Controllers
12:44<TIBSS01>http://rafb.net/p/5SNbpP50.txt
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12:44<TIBSS01>how i find that out
12:44<Supaplex>based on the lsusb device ids, this module claims support for it.
12:45<Supaplex>run lsmod | grep sn9c102
12:45<TIBSS01>http://rafb.net/p/cMpqcs80.html
12:46<Supaplex>yeah, looks like it is. still no video devices in /dev?
12:46<TIBSS01>nup
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12:46<dropshot>my sources.list file seems to be messed up.
12:47<Supaplex>!tell dropshot -about sources.list
12:47<JasonS>define messed up
12:47<TIBSS01>http://rafb.net/p/3oZWIP90.htm
12:47<Supaplex>TIBSS01: well I'm kinda stumped. atleast this module suggests it works with your device.
12:47<dropshot>i'm getting errors about a public key not being available
12:47<JasonS>dropshot: read the channel topic
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12:48<TIBSS01>thats the paste of my /dev
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12:48<TIBSS01>http://rafb.net/p/3oZWIP90.htm
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12:49<Supaplex>TIBSS01: yea, I figured that out. :) I would look for linux development/support on sn9c102 and your camera. maybe you'll discover it's only partially supported or something. good luck =)
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12:49<TIBSS01>how about if i plug it into another usb port
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12:49<TIBSS01>will that force it to readdress
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12:50<dropshot>ok. i'm pasting the output to #flood
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12:51<dropshot>... if someone can invite me...
12:51<JasonS>dropshot:just use a pastebin site
12:51<Supaplex>you can try. part of the issue might be related to udev rules creating the device nodes. userspace hardware interaction has changed a lot in the last few years, and some modules might not be modern enough to be current.
12:51<Supaplex>dropshot: http://rafb.net/paste
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12:52<dropshot>ok.
12:52<dropshot>http://rafb.net/p/F7TMm453.html
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12:56<TIBSS01>woooo
12:56<TIBSS01>reboot
12:56<TIBSS01>and its detected
12:56<TIBSS01>:D
12:56<TIBSS01>thankies
12:56<TIBSS01>ppl
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12:57<PerfDave>Hmm, I'm having trouble SSHing with X forwarding. I can SSH from my laptop to my desktop and run xeyes, byut when I ssh from the desktop onto another machine and run xeyes I get: _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localhost:6010: Name or service not known
12:58<fgh>how can i download a directory with wget?
12:59<dropshot>http://rafb.net/p/F7TMm453.html
12:59<PerfDave>fgh: man wget, look for "recursive"
12:59<TIBSS01>/var/lib/motion/snapshots/01-20070928201235-01.jpg
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12:59<TIBSS01>anyone know
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13:00<TIBSS01>anyone know anything about motion
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13:00<dropshot>ok. so can someone just paste there sources.list and i'll edit mine to match?
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13:00<TIBSS01>im getting errors
13:00<TIBSS01>:/
13:00<danderson>hi.
13:00<dropshot>hi
13:00<danderson>I've just installed an Etch and dist-upgraded to Sid, and I'm getting an error after installing xorg:
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13:00<PerfDave>Oh, wait a minute, /etc/hosts was missing on the target box :/
13:00<danderson>dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not set. Abortint. Reconfigure the X server with "dpkg-reconfigure" to correct this problem.
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13:01<PerfDave>danderson: Did you check the BTS?
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13:01<fgh>PerfDave: ive read the man page but can figure anyway. thats why i asked..
13:02<PerfDave>fgh: Look for "recursive"
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13:02<TIBSS01>right
13:02<TIBSS01>im getting errors with motion
13:02<TIBSS01>ill put in paste bin
13:03<TIBSS01>http://rafb.net/p/p0MqiE12.html
13:03<danderson>PerfDave: no. Thanks for kicking me about it. Found the bug and a resolution.
13:03<TIBSS01>how i sort that
13:03<TIBSS01>:/
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13:04<TIBSS01>[1] Error opening file /var/lib/motion/snapshots/01-20070928201641-02.jpg with mode w: Permission denied
13:04<TIBSS01>[1] Can't write picture to file /var/lib/motion/snapshots/01-20070928201641-02.jpg - check access rights to target directory: Permission denied
13:04<TIBSS01>how i sort that ?
13:05<valdyn>!wikifaq TIBSS01 Permissions
13:05<dpkg>TIBSS01: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/
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13:06<kneet>Oh rats. Just sorted out why ntop wasn't running properly. Note to self - when you move /tmp from being on / to its own partition - remember to check the permissions on /tmp
13:06<TIBSS01>right
13:06<kneet>*sigh*
13:06<TIBSS01>i have a site with permissions
13:07<TIBSS01>so wot do i set it as
13:07<valdyn>TIBSS01: read the faq
13:07<TIBSS01>ive tried 777
13:07<TIBSS01>says file dont exist
13:08<danderson>grmbl
13:08<danderson>spoke too soon
13:08<TIBSS01>done
13:08<danderson>so the bug affecting me is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443004
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13:08<valdyn>TIBSS01: '777' gives me a bash: 777: command not found
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13:09<danderson>applying the "manually edit /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" solution works for shared/default-x-server
13:09<danderson>but then, reconfiguring still fails, blaming xserver-xorg/config/device/driver
13:09<danderson>and setting that one manually fails, dpkg-reconfigure just overwrites it with an empty value when I run it, and then proceeds to fail miserably.
13:10<danderson>Any way to force a debconf variable to not be modifiable by dpkg-reconfigure?
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13:15<ra9ftm>Tell me what package to install for use system as Terminal server (GUI, GNOME session)? I installed vncserver, but it is not vy good...
13:15<EmleyMoor>As part of the normal way the gnome desktop is set up, it is possible to get at your session over VNC, I believe. However, the feature is not set up on either of my systems and would like to know what package I need to add
13:16<TIBSS01>right
13:16<TIBSS01>i got motion running
13:16<TIBSS01>but
13:16<TIBSS01>it aint appearing on the site
13:16<TIBSS01>http://shell.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:9595
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13:18<dropshot>i need to import a key from here http://www.debian-multimedia.org
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13:19<EmleyMoor>dropshot: Install the package "debian-multimedia-keyring"Â
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13:22<TIBSS01>oh man
13:22<TIBSS01>its getting me to download a file now
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13:22<TIBSS01>how do i get it to run as a video
13:22<TIBSS01>refresg
13:22<TIBSS01>refresh
13:22<dropshot>EmleyMoor: thanks that worked. i also need to install the key for http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org. is there a keyring i need to install for that as well?
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13:23<knoppix_>ffff
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13:24<EmleyMoor>dropshot: Have you read the debian-unofficial web pages?
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13:24<dropshot>never even heard of it
13:24<dropshot>oh...
13:24<dropshot>jej
13:25<EmleyMoor>I can't be sure but I think the instructions you need are in the FAQ
13:26<EmleyMoor>How, having installed it, do I use vino?
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13:27<TIBSS01>right
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13:28<TIBSS01>oh ffs
13:29<TIBSS01>motion just keeps asking to download a dile
13:29<TIBSS01>file
13:29<TIBSS01>http://shell.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:9595
13:29<vanchu>"wine Program Files/Arca Eclipse/stat_ae.bat"<---- can someone tell me how to make that work
13:29<vanchu>lol
13:29<vanchu>please
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13:29<vanchu>I'm new to linux (day2)
13:30<Eulex>vanchu, firstly, you'll probably have to escape the spaces in the path. or put double quotes around the path.
13:30<Eulex>vanchu, secondly, I don't think wine will run .bat files.
13:31<vanchu>well that could be a problem
13:31<vanchu>lol '
13:31<vanchu>what would I put in place of the spaces ?
13:31<vanchu><--- no0b
13:32<Eulex>replace ' ' with '\ '
13:32<Eulex>\ is the 'escape character'
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13:37<TIBSS01>right
13:37<vanchu>wine \Program\Files\ .. sorry but that doesnt make sence to me
13:37<TIBSS01>hgow do i sort this then
13:37<TIBSS01>motion
13:37<TIBSS01>?
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13:38<TIBSS01>its just asking for a download
13:38<TIBSS01>http://shell.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:9595
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13:39<TIBSS01>?
13:39<TIBSS01>how do i get a pic up
13:40|-|zloi_diman [~diman@h86-62-104-193.ln.rinet.ru] has joined #debian
13:40<zloi_diman>ËÁË ÏÔËÌÀÞÉÔØ dhcp × debian 4.0 r1
13:40<zloi_diman>?
13:41<chealer>!tell zloi_diman about ru
13:41<ameyer>assuming that's what he/she was speaking
13:41<zloi_diman> Cannot join #debian-russian (You are banned).
13:41<zloi_diman>?!
13:42<dropshot>ok. so i used "wget http://ftp-master.debian-unofficial.org/other/openpgp/archive-key-2007.asc -O- | apt-key add -" but i'm still getting that error about no key being available. did i do something wrong?
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13:45<EmleyMoor>Is there any way a user who's away from the machine can access his desktop while another user is at the machine?
13:45<dropshot>vnc?
13:45<dropshot>access or just observe?
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13:46<EmleyMoor>Access... as in I've got a session I was using on the main display at home and have locked, and my partner has switched user and logged in - can I access my session without affecting him or do I need to run a vnc server as another display?
13:46<chealer>EmleyMoor: yes
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13:47[~]EmleyMoor wonders how
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13:48<TIBSS01>wots an easy way to stream a webcam from a debian box
13:48<TIBSS01>to the web
13:49<PerfDave>TIBSS01: Stream as in video stream or as in a sequence of still shots?
13:49<TIBSS01>yer
13:49<TIBSS01>i got motion installed
13:49<TIBSS01>but it just keeps doing it as downloads
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13:50<TIBSS01>http://shell.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:9595
13:50<EmleyMoor>I'd like to be able to access my main desktop session without being at the keyboard and monitor
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13:50<TIBSS01>PerfDave
13:50<EmleyMoor>(when someone else is there running his own session)
13:50<TIBSS01>how i sort that
13:51<PerfDave>EmleyMoor: You may want to look at VNC and x0rfb or similar
13:51<PerfDave>TIBSS01: That link doesn't work.
13:52<EmleyMoor>PerfDave: I can't see how to do it with VNC - I can make myself another desktop with that though
13:52<TIBSS01>mmm
13:52<TIBSS01>ang on
13:52<EmleyMoor>As for x0rfb isn't that for what's on the screen, not what would be if I was at it?
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13:54<PerfDave>EmleyMoor: If you started it while you were at the screen, I think it might keep displaying that even if the session were changed.
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13:55<EmleyMoor>PerfDave: Interesting - I will see
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13:56<Bolly>is it possible to vnc to my linux machine and see what it's displaying on the monitor?
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13:57<TIBSS01>i goto reboot
13:57<TIBSS01>it
13:57<TIBSS01>machine fucked up
13:58<TIBSS01>saying device is in use
13:58<EmleyMoor>I appear to have lost my second sound card AGAIN!
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13:58<TIBSS01>paistis
13:58<TIBSS01>PerfDave
13:58<TIBSS01>u there
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13:58<Muhammad>is there any installation candiate for the library libmysqlclient15 ?
13:59<seanius>Muhammad: i believe that was replaced by libmysqlclient15off
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14:00<Muhammad>yea i know that but my Ser package still depends on that lib i dun konw why
14:00<seanius>which package?
14:00<Muhammad>ser package sip express router
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14:01<seanius>which release are you using?
14:01<Muhammad>0.9.6
14:01<seanius>of debian :)
14:01<Muhammad>ser_0.9.6-0.1_i386.deb
14:01<Muhammad>yes that is
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14:02<TIBSS01>ok
14:02<TIBSS01>its up
14:02<TIBSS01>now
14:02<Muhammad>i tired som times to get it working but no way
14:02<TIBSS01>http://shell.gibbs-hosting.co.uk:9595
14:02<TIBSS01>cd
14:02<seanius>Muhammad: i mean which release of debian i.e. stable/testing/unstable/mixed
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14:03<Muhammad>yea its stable version
14:03<PerfDave>TIBSS01: OK, it seems to be working...
14:03<TIBSS01>noew
14:03<TIBSS01>now
14:03<Muhammad>sorry misunderstadin
14:03<PerfDave>TIBSS01: Apart from the screwed colours
14:03<TIBSS01>how do i get it up as a video
14:03<vanchu>omg ok I typed vanchu@ubuntu:~$ wine /Program\ Files/Arca\ Eclipse/arca3.exe
14:03<TIBSS01>cos its downloading a file to me
14:03<vanchu>why doesnt that work
14:03<PerfDave>TIBSS01: It looks like an mjpeg, which is a kind of video
14:03<vanchu>?
14:04<TIBSS01>yer
14:04<PerfDave>vanchu: Please ask #ubuntu for Ubuntu questions.
14:04<TIBSS01>so how come its downloading a file
14:04<TIBSS01>to me
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14:04<PerfDave>TIBSS01: What browser are you using?
14:04<TIBSS01>internet explorer
14:04<PerfDave>TIBSS01: that might be where you're going wrong... I don't know what IE's support for MJPEG is like, but it's streaming fine for me in Konqueror.
14:04<TIBSS01>i just want it to stream through the browser
14:05<seanius>i don't htink i.e. does mjpeg
14:05<vanchu>"vanchu@debian:~$ wine /Program\ Files/Arca\ Eclipse/arca3.exe" why doesnt that work ?
14:05<seanius>istr having htis problem
14:05<TIBSS01>mmmm
14:05<PerfDave>vanchu: Please ask #ubuntu for Ubuntu questions rather than lying to us.
14:05<vanchu>would it not be the same for both of them ?
14:05<PerfDave>vanchu: No
14:05<PerfDave>!ubuntu
14:05<seanius>lol maybe he reinstalled
14:05<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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14:06<TIBSS01>im trying firefox
14:06<vanchu>how would you do it in debian ?
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14:06<seanius>15:05 < vanchu> "vanchu@debian:~$ wine /Program\ Files/Arca\ Eclipse/arca3.exe" why doesnt that work ?
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14:06<TIBSS01>oh man
14:06<TIBSS01>the colours are screwed up
14:06<TIBSS01>lol
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14:06<PerfDave>vanchu: I'd install Debian to start with.
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14:07<vanchu>so the way that I typed it would be correct for debian then ?
14:07<PerfDave>vanchu: Why don't you install Debian and find out :)
14:07<TIBSS01>ill sort it in abit
14:07<JasonS>vanchu: try #ubuntu but then you've all ready been told that
14:07<PerfDave>Hmm, Iceweasel seems not so hot at MJPEG as Konqui, that's unexpected.
14:08<vanchu>I'm in there
14:08<vanchu>I am there and Ive been there to whole time
14:08<PerfDave>vanchu: Well, let them advise you about the distro you're using, rather than a channel for a completely different distro.
14:08<vanchu>there just not helpful ...at all
14:08<JasonS>vanchu: then be patient
14:08<JasonS>vanchu: so either be patient or install debian
14:08<PerfDave>vanchu: Their failure to be helpful doesn't magically make #debian the right place to ask Ubuntu-related questions.
14:09<PerfDave>vanchu: Asking Ubuntu-related questions on #debian wastes your time and ours, especially if you then lie and claim to be running Debian when you're not. Debian and Ubuntu are not the same distribution, and problems on one frequently don't mirror problems on the other.
14:10<vanchu>I just figured that there might have been a chance that someone here might have tryed another distro at some point in there life
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14:10<PerfDave>vanchu: If there are Ubuntu users on #debian who want to support Ubuntu, they'll also be on #ubuntu.
14:11<vanchu>but I guess I'm wrong.. sorry for waisting everyones time
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14:11<seanius>lol
14:11<PerfDave>Wow, that was almost a gracious acceptance.
14:12<bzed>this thing that fool wanted to run is some chat room server.
14:12<bzed>I gguess he's running it as root in wine on his dedicated server he rented for it
14:12<PerfDave>bzed: Well, there are no ircds available for GNU/Linux.
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14:13<PerfDave>Anyway, time for me to go and make stirfry.
14:13<bzed>isn;t irc something for retarded people?
14:13<bzed>:D
14:13<PerfDave>bzed: No, that's #ubuntu ;)
14:13[~]PerfDave runs!
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14:13[~]bzed too. new kernel weits
14:13<bzed>*waits
14:13<Muhammad>any one here have a background about installation of sip express router on Debian ?
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14:20<Muhammad>no one was expected :D
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14:29<Cyllene>Hey. I run 2.6.22.6 (etch) and my box shuts down randomly (hard). My kernel config and lspci are located here: http://pastehere.com/?xpveeh
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14:35<Muhammad><Cyllene> i had the same problem but with pre-installed windows os and btw it a hardware problem not from the os and that could happend due to the capacitors around the processor in the motherboard
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14:39<Cyllene>Muhammad: Sorry, I missed that.
14:39<Cyllene>For some reason irssi isn't highlighting correct either.
14:39<Muhammad>nm
14:39<Muhammad>no problem
14:40<Cyllene>I had the techs do a full hardware check on the server.
14:40<Cyllene>They said it was good. :(
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14:41<Cyllene>Is there any possibility at all that the problem is within the kernel config?
14:41<Muhammad>i dun konw really that doesnt happend with me b4
14:42<Cyllene>Does anyone know why this is happening? :(
14:45<Supaplex>Cyllene: when's the last time it worked?
14:45<Cyllene>It's weird:
14:45<Supaplex>Cyllene: oh sorry, I thought this was only an irssi issue. (until I scrolled back)
14:46<Cyllene>2.6.19.2 - It worked for about 120 days.... ok
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14:47<Supaplex>if you're having stablity issues on a debian system, I'd suggest using a debian-stock kernel, if at all possible.
14:47<Cyllene>Stocks don't have grsecurity.
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14:47<Supaplex>is that the only feature you need?
14:47<Cyllene>yes
14:47<Cyllene>No modules either
14:48<Supaplex>the less deviation from stock the better. it keeps the scope of possible canidates to a minimum.
14:48<Supaplex>!grsecurity
14:48<dpkg>well, grsecurity is http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1551
14:49[~]Supaplex waits for elinks to install
14:50<Cyllene>Where should I look for some good logs?
14:50<Cyllene>syslog does not have anything important, neither does dmes
14:50<Cyllene>dmesg*
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14:51<Supaplex>grsec looks similar (in some ways) to vserver
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14:52<Supaplex>I'd pick the brains in #debian-kernel (be patient; responses are not always quick) and see what they know about grsec issues, and why it isn't in debian yet.
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14:53<bzed>grsec is far too intrusive to be build as a default kernel
14:54<bzed>tyou want to patch and configure it by yourself
14:54<Supaplex>Cyllene: alternatively, I think vserver might be a good replacement. it does many of the same things, and it's in debian. It's very stable for me. I've only had to reboot for kernel upgrades and hardware changes so far.
14:54<bzed>especially the gids with extra permissions
14:54<bzed>it works very well for me, though
14:54<Supaplex>questionable hardware is the suck.
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14:54<Cyllene>Do you see anything wrong with the config I posted?
14:55<Supaplex>I haven't looked. grsec is unchartered for me.
14:55<bzed>Cyllene: sorry I just came back after a reboot
14:55<bzed>have a link again?
14:56<Supaplex>xen and my onboard nvidia don't seem to get along. boooo non-free.
14:56<bzed>Supaplex: no chance with that, indeed
14:56<bzed>there was a patch for it some time ago, though
14:56<bzed>but it was never ported to more recent versions nor does it work on amd64
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14:57[~]bzed throws vservers at Supaplex
14:57[~]Supaplex catches them!
14:57<Supaplex>yay!
14:58<Cyllene>http://pastehere.com/?xpveeh
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14:59<bzed>Supaplex: I'm using them on my desktop, too - works really well, the guys at #vserver are very responsive in case you really run into questions
14:59<bzed>Cyllene: and what was your problem?
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15:00<Supaplex>yea, they've filled me in before on vserver to. s' nice.
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15:00<Supaplex>bzed: Cyllene has hardlockups (that's all I got)
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15:04<bzed>hmm the config doesn;t look to bad for me, at least the grsec part and onthe first look. it wouldn;t work together with vservers, though :P
15:04<zami>algum brasileiro presente?
15:04<bzed>!br
15:04<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:04<zami>!br
15:04<zami>?
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15:04<bzed>zami: ---> #debian-br
15:05<zami>ok! Obrigado
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15:07<df1amb>Hi, I'm looking for a software to put a program to a rom via rs232 interface. The rom is a 89lpc936. Any recommends ?
15:07<Cyllene>bzed: Random hard reboots.
15:07<Cyllene>bzed: I swear, the box just randomly goes offline and there is nothing in any of the logs to help me at all.
15:07<Cyllene>That's why I think it might be hardware.
15:07<bzed>Cyllene: does that happen with a normal debian kernel, too?
15:08<Cyllene>I have a normal deb kernel installed as my fallback kernel, but I have not kept it running long enough to test it.
15:09<flash600>hi! i
15:09<flash600>I have trouble with dokuwiki..
15:10<flash600>I'm new with linux..
15:10<bzed>df1amb: hmm, no real clue... hard to search for rom and program with apt-cache, too many uninteresting results
15:11<flash600>i've installed with apt-get install dokuwiki, than my php-sites does never run
15:11<bzed>df1amb: I guess you're a german radio amateuer? ;)
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15:12<flash600>i know, my english is bad..
15:12<toledo>Algu?m sabe como faze download em sites tipo megarotic ou rapidshare
15:12<toledo>?
15:12<bzed>!es
15:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:12<schlurchz>Hi folks... I'm stuck dist-upgrading a desktop system to Etch. I'm following the release notes and did the minimal upgrade first, installing initrd-tools, libfam0 and xlibmesa-glu.
15:12<schlurchz>Trying 'aptitude dist-upgrade' now gives:
15:12<bzed>toledo: not sure if I guessed your language right, though
15:12<bzed>!paste schlurchz
15:12<dpkg>schlurchz: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel.
15:12<toledo>Do anyone know how to download files in megarotic, megaupload or rapidshare?
15:13<bzed>use a browser.
15:13<schlurchz>bzed: well it's just 4 lines.
15:13<schlurchz>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
15:13<schlurchz> xlibmesa-gl: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable
15:13<schlurchz> Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package.
15:13<schlurchz> libgl1-mesa-glx: Conflicts: libgl1 which is a virtual package.
15:13|-|schlurchz kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
15:13<df1amb>bzed: right I am. and the problem is I have build something that needs to get programmed but there is only a m$ software to do that
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15:14<schlurchz>Hey guys. Thought 4 lines would be okay?
15:14<ameyer>well, the bot disagreed
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15:15<schlurchz>Btw I cannot use a browser on this system now. Seems DNS is broken by the libc upgrade.
15:15<chealer>schlurchz: 4 limits is the enforced limit. you were kicked for 5. do not paste more than 3 lines.
15:15<schlurchz>*sigh*
15:15<ameyer>he only actually pasted 4...
15:16<ameyer>unless I'm missing something...
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15:16<brunner>"dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" should wipe the MBR and all partitions, right?
15:16<schlurchz>so anyway, anyone with a clue what's the smartest way to proceed for me, then?
15:16<chealer>the bot must count the number of lines in a certain time period
15:16<brunner>and I don't need to make any changes via fdisk before I do that, right?
15:16[~]bzed is dh4ph << df1amb :)
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15:17<df1amb>brunner: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=128 count=1
15:17<schlurchz>Trying to install x11-common gives *a lot* of removals.
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15:17<ameyer>brunner: in theory, although it may not 100% permanently remove the data
15:17<brunner>ameyer: why not?
15:18<ameyer>allegedly, "the man" can read overwritten data
15:18<bzed>df1amb: is that a flash rom? eeprom?
15:18<brunner>and what happens if I leave off the bs and count parameters?
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15:18<brunner>ameyer: oh, no shit. I'm just trying to wipe it so I can install something else. I'm having strange problems
15:18<df1amb>brunner: use this because of the zero device does not contain data and so you have to force it to write data. in this case 128 byte and 1 time ...
15:18<toledo>Do anyone know how to download files in megarotic, megaupload or rapidshare?
15:18<toledo><toledo> Do anyone know how to download files in megarotic, megaupload or rapidshare?
15:18<toledo><toledo> Do anyone know how to download files in megarotic, megaupload or rapidshare?
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15:18<chealer>schlurchz: you could remove xlibmesa-gl, at least temporarily
15:19<schlurchz>... and I cannot install xlibmesa-gl without pulling in x11-common.
15:19<schlurchz>chealer: hm, would'nt that break the upgrade logic?
15:19<chealer>schlurchz: what do you mean?
15:19<ameyer>schlurchz: your other option is to wait until the dependency problem gets fixed
15:19<schlurchz>ameyer: boy, I'm in the middle of a dist-upgrade.
15:20<schlurchz>ameyer: system is not fully functional right now.
15:20<schlurchz>chealer: wait, checking...
15:20<df1amb>bzed: nice to meet you. Have a look at http://www.ov-lennestadt.de/projekte/lc-display/lc-display.html I have build the radio and the display.
15:21<ameyer>schlurchz: I'd try removing xlibmesa-gl for now...
15:21<brunner>df1amb: bs=128 count=1 seems to cause it to only write 128 bytes.
15:21<ameyer>might have to replace it with another xlib variant...
15:21<brunner>and then stop
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15:22<df1amb>bzed: I think it is a flash rom. The thing is call 89lpc936.
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15:22<schlurchz>ameyer: apt-get remove xlibmesa-gl gives ~90 package removals. aptitude chokes upon broken dependencies and doesn't do anything.
15:22<bzed>df1amb: nice to meet you, too :) thanks for the link, bookmarked :)
15:22<observatorial>brunner: That is what you told it to do, after all...
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15:23<ameyer>schlurchz: hmm, another option is to try using apt-get for this
15:23<schlurchz>I could dpkg --remove --force-depends it, but I guess that'd break the upgrade logic.
15:23<observatorial>brunner: bs is block size. It is in bytes. count is how many blocks to write. If you multiply the two, you have the amount that will be written.
15:23<schlurchz>ameyer: see above: 90 removals. not nice.
15:23<brunner>observatorial: thanks. what happens when the output file (/dev/sda) runs out of space?
15:24<bzed>df1amb: apt-cache search microcontroller prints some programs which sound useful for you
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15:24<schlurchz>This is my third dist-upgrade of a desktop system to Etch, and they were all troublesome. :-(
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15:25<df1amb>brunner: right that is what the command does.
15:25<brunner>so it will just keep going until the output file is full and then stop nicely?
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15:26<toledo>i can't watch wmv v?deos correctly here... why?
15:26<df1amb>bzed: ok i will try this. what is your dok by the way? I am from W17
15:26<schlurchz>Last time I just installed *lots* of packages manually, before finally the dist-upgrade worked; anyone smarter here? :-)
15:27<bzed>df1amb: k27, but I'm rarely at home as I'm studying at the moment
15:27<ameyer>aptitude upgrade just upgrades the stuff without dependency issues, right?
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15:28<schlurchz>ameyer: yes it did. Worked like a charm.
15:28<schlurchz>ameyer: oh wait.
15:28<ameyer>hmm
15:28<ameyer>#
15:28<frank>ameyer: no, upgrade only updates installed stuff
15:28<ameyer>dep: libgl1-mesa-glx
15:28<ameyer>sorry, fouled that up
15:28<frank>ameyer: dist-upgrade also installs or removes packages
15:29<bzed>df1amb: don;t have the time for amateur radio unfortunately. I need to mount some kind of antenna here, though - unfortunately a bit hard to do...
15:29<keyz>hi
15:29<ameyer>schlurchz: try "aptitude install libgl-mesa-glx"
15:29<schlurchz>seems a second upgrade now upgrades another 320 packages.
15:29<df1amb>bzed: welcome to the club of the students. I can imagine
15:29<chealer>toledo: how could we know. it's your system.
15:30<schlurchz>ameyer: :-) installing libgl-mesa-glx manually was my first idea too, but it wants x11-common, which is not installable wihout lots of removals.
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15:30<df1amb>bzed: try echolink or in your case svxlink with qtel. That is a echolink hack for linux. http://svxlink.sf.net
15:30<schlurchz>I had to add more and more packages to the manual attempt, with ending up at x11-common.
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15:31<ameyer>hmm... could you pastebin a list of the removals?
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15:32<schlurchz>ameyer: wait...
15:32<df1amb>bzed: if you want look for my call in icq
15:33<ameyer>or at least name a few
15:34<schlurchz>I'm on a text console now. elinks doesn't work for some reason. Where can I paste here? I could try lynx, but I'm not familiar with that.
15:34<ameyer>forget it
15:34<bzed>df1amb: now I'd need to find the time to set that up - and I'd need a proper internet connection at home, our house is too far away from teh dslam unfortunately
15:35<ameyer>schlurchz: look atyour sources.list and make sure everything's etch, not sarge
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15:36<Cyllene>bzed: Do you know of any way to get more verbose output when the server reboots?
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15:36<schlurchz>sources.list is super. :-) Hm, a second run of 'aptitude upgrade' upgrades 320 packages, but removes dselect and 5 others... not sure if I should go there
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15:36<Cyllene>That way I can tell better whether or not it is hardware
15:36<ameyer>you also may want to temporarily disable security.debian.org and stuff like that
15:37<schlurchz>ameyer: hm, that's an interesting idea.
15:37<keyz>hi
15:37<bzed>Cyllene: the kernel normally does not reboot, it throws the oops on your screen and that's it
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15:37<schlurchz>I'm trying it with disabled security.debian.org now.
15:38<schlurchz>No way.
15:38<schlurchz>Same error.
15:38<keyz>i did apt-get dist-upgrade but my disk was full. Now apt refuses to reinstall package... i can't redownload them. How can i force it?
15:38<ameyer>schlurchz: did you aptitude update after chaanging sources.list?
15:38<paistis>try apt-get clean first
15:39<keyz>i did
15:39<bzed>keyz: put the full output in a pastebin
15:39<keyz>ok
15:39<df1amb>bzed: uhh this is bad but is there a repeater anywhere that can connect to echolink. if you don't know look at www.echolink.org/logins.asp. where are you studying?
15:39<schlurchz>ameyer: Oh yeah! I was very thorough. Took notes reading the release notes and various wikis regarding the dist-upgrade...
15:40<coir>hmm
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15:40<keyz>bzed, http://pastebin.com/m31d53fdc ... sorry it's in french
15:40<schlurchz>ameyer: (oh, and I didn't forget it testing without security.d.o either)
15:40<bzed>df1amb: in darmstadt. I could go to the ham group at my university, but I'm really missing free time
15:41<bzed>keyz: what is /etc/rcS.d/S20dbus in your case!?
15:42<ameyer>schlurchz: no offense, but you have to be doing something wrong here...
15:42<keyz>no it seems ok
15:42<ameyer>schlurchz: no 3rd party repos enabled right now?
15:42<schlurchz>ameyer: my bet is, the system's too much customized. And: no it's pretty much a pure Sarge system.
15:43<ameyer>well, it sould "just work"
15:43<df1amb>bzed: yes I know. the problem is the same here. but the echolink you can control with a handheld and dtmf but i think you know.
15:43<schlurchz>No backports. Non-Debian packages are: opera, acroread, a handful of self-crafted packages.
15:43<ameyer>*should
15:44<schlurchz>I checked every one of those and their dependencies.
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15:45<bzed>df1amb: yeah, but somehow I prefer to sit next to the real box, or have it in my hand ;)
15:45<ameyer>schlurchz: hmm, tries to remove debcoonf, eh?
15:45<ameyer>*debconf
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15:46<schlurchz>ameyer: debconf? didn't notice anything about that.
15:46<schlurchz>All went very smooth, just like the book said :-)
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15:47<schlurchz>But now aptitude doesn't want to proceed.
15:47<ameyer>maybe not
15:47[~]ameyer is confused
15:48<ameyer>ohh, dselect
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15:48<ameyer>schlurchz: try "aptitude install dselect"
15:48<ameyer>schlurchz: wait
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15:49<ameyer>schlurchz: could you list the 5 packges an upgrade wants to remove?
15:49<schlurchz>'aptitude install dselect' is *very* interesting: it removes dselect :-)
15:50<schlurchz>cool!
15:50<ameyer>haha
15:50<ameyer>your system might be f*cked
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15:51<ameyer>or not
15:51<schlurchz>'aptitude upgrade' removes these:
15:51<schlurchz>The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
15:51<schlurchz> bc dselect libdevmapper1.01 libdv-bin libpcap0.7 libsvga1
15:51<df1amb>bzed: Me to but the problem is from my home I can not reach any repeaters and KW is impossible from here in the winter and in summer only from my garden.
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15:51<schlurchz>Nothing serious
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15:55<df1amb>bzed: but when using echolink with a handheld you have a real box in your hand and yes ok you do your business via the net to the other end of the line but then it goes back to HF again. I my case everything is better than beeing without my hobby.
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15:56<bzed>df1amb: true, indeed
15:57<ameyer>schlurchz: I think I know what's happening
15:58<ameyer>i bet the error has something to do with those packages looking for xfree86-common, not x11-common
15:58<ameyer>also, some old libs may be obsoleted
15:59<ameyer>if you attempt to install x11-common, what happens?
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15:59<schlurchz>aptitude install x11-common: 318 removals.
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16:00<ameyer>that seems a bit high
16:00<schlurchz>A lot of KDE, that's not so important :-)
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16:01<schlurchz>Parts of Gnome, too.
16:01<eins7ein>what's hapnin yall
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16:02<qbit>allo
16:02<ameyer>schlurchz: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel.testing/browse_thread/thread/03893240fcaccd1e
16:02<schlurchz>It would e.g. remove: gnome-core, gdm.
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16:03<ameyer>basically, aptitude install initrd-tools libfam0 xlibmesa-glu x11-common xfree86-common- might work
16:03<ameyer>or at least be better
16:04<saturne>hello
16:04[~]schlurchz is reading up that webpage...
16:04<saturne>!dpkg win
16:05<saturne>is it possible to have a graphical ssh session to a remote machine ?
16:05<eins7ein>yes
16:05<stew>saturne: yes. what do you mean by graphical exactly?
16:05<Supaplex>ssh -X
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16:05<makke>wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwdswwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwdsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwdwwwwwwwwwwwwdsdwwwwwwwwadwwwwwwd ssssssssssssssssssssswwwwwwwwwwwdddddddddssssssswwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadwd
16:05<eins7ein>set your ssh client to forward x
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16:05<dondelelcaro>makke: remove the cat from the keyboard
16:06<ameyer>they really should have kept xfree86-common in etch as a virtual package that depends on x11-common
16:06<eins7ein>why
16:06<Supaplex>dondelelcaro: I think it was the toddler this time
16:06<chealer>ameyer: virtual packages don't have dependencies
16:06<df1amb>bzed: if you want to try echolink with me dial 255411 it is my private link
16:07<jclinton>dial 255411 for a good time?
16:07<saturne>i mean can i have a graphical access to the remote machine (like vnc or rdp) but with ssh
16:07<eins7ein>yes
16:07<eins7ein>just forward x
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16:07<eins7ein>unless the remote machine is windoze
16:08<saturne>both machines are debian etch
16:08<saturne>but it doesn't work
16:08<eins7ein>then it should be easy
16:08<saturne>i jusrt have a simple ssh shell even with "ssh -X"
16:08<eins7ein>never done it myself but in theory it works
16:08<bzed>df1amb: no time for such things yet, sorry
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16:09<ameyer>chealer: actually, would that be a "dummy" package
16:09<chealer>ameyer: yes, a transitional package
16:09<ameyer>kind of like http://packages.debian.org/etch/firefox
16:10<eins7ein>how does that work exactly
16:10<eins7ein>when I type firefox in at the terminal I get iceweasel
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16:10<eins7ein>I WANT FIREFOX dammit
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16:10<ameyer>I suspect firefox is aliased to iceweasel for compatibility reasons or something
16:11<eins7ein>and pidgin too
16:11<stew>eins7ein: iceweasel only differs from firefox in that it is branded differently and it has some bugfixes not present in firefox. otherwise they are the same
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16:11<df1amb>bzed: okay no problem. if you need help in these thing look for me may be by e-mailing me-
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16:11<saturne>iceweasel is firefox but a little bit modifyed to be 100% free
16:11<eins7ein>I see
16:11<ameyer>eins7ein: pidgin's too new to be in etch
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16:11<saturne>when you run iceweasel you have firefox-bin as a process
16:12<Aciid>eins7ein: you can install firefox by removing $HOME/.mozilla folder after removing of iceweasel
16:12<eins7ein>I just don't like the fact that I can't open new windows in new tabs automatically
16:12<eins7ein>oh
16:12<Aciid>i did that few days ago
16:12<eins7ein>where is that folder located
16:12<bzed>df1amb: sure. unfortunately I doubt that will happen soon
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16:12<Aciid>/home/username/.mozilla
16:12<Aciid>remove that folder
16:13<stew>Aciid: why?
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16:13<eins7ein>okay
16:13<Aciid>because firefox allways started as iceweasel
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16:13<dendrite>eins7ein: mv it, dont rm it.
16:13<Aciid>well yea
16:13<Aciid>as u like
16:13<stew>Aciid: you have both installed?
16:13<eins7ein>gotta back up my bookmarks first
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16:13<schlurchz>ameyer: your suggestion removes aptitude, unfortunately.
16:13<stew>eins7ein: there is no reason to remove that directory
16:13<ameyer>schlurchz: eww
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16:14<Aciid>stew: they were not compabitle enough to run both :/
16:14<stew>Aciid: what is he going to accomplish by removing his .mozilla directory?
16:14<ruffidle>I'm having trouble unmounting usb mass storage... can unmount via root, but not from user account
16:14<Aciid>stew: after removing iceweasel, and installing firefox and runnin command "firefox" started iceweasel
16:15<ameyer>actually, my ~/.mozilla on my desktop has been used in Windows, Ubuntu, and Debian...
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16:15<Aciid>so i had to remove all what iceweasel left...
16:15<jclinton>ruffidle: are you a member of the usb group?
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16:15<schlurchz>damn
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16:16<stew>Aciid: i don't see what that has to do with eins7ein, nor what it has to do with your .mozilla
16:16<jclinton>ruffidle: plugdev is the group name
16:16<jclinton>ruffidle: run this command "id -Gn username"
16:16<ruffidle>jclinton: i'll check... ok, just a moment
16:17<ruffidle>jclinton: yup, it's in the list of groups
16:18<jclinton>ruffidle: the storage is being mounted by hal-storage?
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16:18<jclinton>ruffidle: ie. from your gnome desktop?
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16:18<jclinton>(or xfce)
16:18<ruffidle>jclinton: yes. also i have gvm installed as well
16:18<ameyer>or KDE even...
16:19<jclinton>ameyer: no, that's pmount
16:19<jclinton>ruffidle: gvm?
16:19<ameyer>kde has similar functionality though
16:19<ruffidle>jclinton: gnome volume manager
16:19<jclinton>ameyer: but completely useless here
16:19<ameyer>ahh forget it
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16:19<Aciid>ok what ever ;) dont take my shit seriously then :D
16:19<Aciid>ill do what i see that i have to do and stuff and i dont take precautions
16:19<df1amb>bzed: you are welcome
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16:19<jclinton>ruffidle: ah
16:19<ruffidle>i unstalled it looking for a fix
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16:20<jclinton>ruffidle: installed now?
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16:22<jclinton>ruffidle: on my system i can unmount and the USB storage appears with these permissions:
16:22<jclinton>brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 0 2007-09-28 16:21 /dev/sda
16:22<jclinton>ruffidle: are you a member of the floppy group as well?
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16:23<ruffidle_>sorry, isp dropped me
16:23<jclinton>ruffidle: on my system i can unmount and the USB storage appears with these permissions:
16:23<jclinton>brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 0 2007-09-28 16:21 /dev/sda
16:23<jclinton>ruffidle: are you a member of the floppy group also?
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16:24<ruffidle_>jclinton: yep. i just inserted a usb thumb drive. i'll check the perms
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16:28<ruffidle_>jclinton: my perms on the dev is same, though mount point is user:user drw-rw----
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16:29<ruffidle_>jclinton: my perms on the dev is same, though mount point is user:user drw-rw----
16:30<helmut>Hi. Reading man sh I cannot find out why sh -c "set -e; (set -e; false; echo foo; ) && true" prints foo. Can someone explain this or tell me what to read?
16:31<eins7ein>how do I remove a directory
16:31<helmut>rmdir
16:32<eins7ein>thx
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16:32<eins7ein>it says directory not empty
16:32<helmut>it's probably right about this.
16:32<eins7ein>I still want to get rid of the directory and the files within it
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16:33<helmut>oh. including use rm with right options.
16:33<eins7ein>huh
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16:35<eins7ein>figured it out thx helmut
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16:38<jclinton>ruffidle_: that seems to indicate that hal-storage did not mount your drive
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16:39<jclinton>ruffidle: that seems to indicate that hal-storage did not mount your drive
16:39<jclinton>ruffidle: did you put something in /etc/fstab?
16:40<ruffidle>jclinton: something may have been put there by an installer, i'll check.
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16:41<jclinton>ruffidle: because "user" is not a debian standard group
16:42<ruffidle>jclinton: i put it that way because the groupname is the same as the username
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16:43<ruffidle>jclinton: i think what i need to do is find out is what is actually doing the mounting
16:43<v4mpire>hey guys do any of you know how i can take some space from 1 partition at add it to others ?
16:43<jclinton>ruffidle: oh that's even stranger
16:44<jclinton>ruffidle: yea
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16:44<M0useP0t4t0>use Gparted live cd to resize your paritions @ v4mpire
16:44<dendrite>v4mpire: If you're running LVM, it's easy, otherwise, not as easy. One hack is to move data to the roomier drive, and create a symlink back to where it is supposed to be...
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16:45<dendrite>I've not had good luck w/ gparted, but then again, that was an edge case...
16:45<ruffidle>jclinton: i've checked all my logs and i'm not sure how to make it show me... i think what i should look for is a visual pstree that shows what is executing then insert the drive to see what acts on it
16:46<M0useP0t4t0>I have personally tried it on FAT & Ext3 partitions & have had no problems at all
16:46<v4mpire>mainly so i can still use apt and be able to use more space on /var/www
16:46<v4mpire>M0useP0t4t0, i cant do that option because my cdrom drive doesn't work
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16:47<M0useP0t4t0>erm....how about USB? does it not work too? burn Gparted ISO on your pen-drive and boot through it
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16:48<dendrite>v4mpire: One easy hack may be to just tell apache2 (or whatever httpd you're using) to look elsewhere for it's files.
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16:50<MSameer>did anyone manage to get printing working with any gtkmm application out there ?
16:51<MSameer>even output to file doesn't produce any files
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16:51[~]MSameer sounds like a n00b...
16:52<jclinton>msameer: join the irc.gimp.net network and joing #gnome-hackers
16:52<jclinton>join*
16:53<v4mpire>M0useP0t4t0, my pc doesn't do booting via usb
16:53<v4mpire>dendrite, that doesn't help me with apt :/
16:53<eins7ein>see yall later
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16:54<MSameer>jclinton: I thought it's a debian problem cause it works fine with ubuntu (no flame please)
16:54<MSameer>but anyway. that'd be the next step
16:54<MSameer>thanks!
16:54<jclinton>msameer are you running unstable?
16:54<MSameer>testing
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16:55<jclinton>msameer what gtk version and what gtkmm version?
16:55<MSameer>gtkmm 1:2.10.10-0.2
16:55<MSameer>gtk 2.10.13-1
16:56<jclinton>msameer: and on ubuntu?
16:56<MSameer>the simple and advanced examples do not work. the example won't even quit after pressing print
16:56<MSameer>gtkmm 1:2.10.8-0ubuntu1
16:56<MSameer>but gtk can print
16:56<jclinton>the gtk print api is new in 2.10 so that wouldn't be all that surprising...
16:56<jclinton>gtk version on ubuntu?
16:57<MSameer>not sure about the ubuntu gtk version. I don't run it but lemme check with the guy who did the test
16:57<jclinton>2.12 has stablized it better
16:57<dendrite>v4mpire: Well, it does if you can move lots of space out of the way. Also, if you don't need already installed .debs, you can run apt-get clean.
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16:59<MSameer>can't get the ubuntu gtk version :|
16:59<jclinton>msameer: i would check the gnome bugzilla for known 2.10 printing problems
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17:00<flufsor>hi
17:00<MSameer>seems logical
17:00<MSameer>guess I need more coffee
17:00<v4mpire>dendrite, E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
17:00<v4mpire>E: Unable to read /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ - opendir (2 No such file or directory)
17:00<MSameer>jclinton: thanks
17:00<dendrite>v4mpire: That's a directory, try mkdir.
17:00<flufsor> /msg dpkg etch
17:00<MSameer>v4mpire: mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/
17:00<MSameer>as root
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17:02<v4mpire>i couldn't make it just now as wasn't enough space so deleted a cp i dnt want and doesn't seem to have an uninstall companent :/
17:03<v4mpire>how would i get apache to direct to the correct dir /var/www
17:03<v4mpire>because at present its not but according the the vhost section it is
17:03<dendrite>v4mpire: Edit DocumentRoot setting?
17:03<flufsor>what to do if the file /usr/bin/dpkg-preconfigure is missing ?
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17:05<ruffidle>jclinton: ok, i've watched it with top, hald is doing something when i insert, i'll have to restart hal so that it logs
17:05<v4mpire>dendrite, it is already set to /var/www
17:06<ruffidle>jclinton: also have dbus log as well, i think
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17:06<flufsor>what to do if the file /usr/bin/dpkg-preconfigure is missing ? on debian etch ?
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17:14<v4mpire>hey i am trying to reinstall apache but when i try apt-get remove apache2 it says its not installed
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17:14<v4mpire>and it was setup via apt-get so how would i sort this ?
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17:18<Viper550>hey, just wondering, how does one install KDE4 on Etch?
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17:27<neosix>hello!!!
17:28<v4mpire>how would a symlink a dir ?
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17:29<MSameer>I think I found it: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473923
17:29<MSameer>now compiling the old gtk to see
17:30<MSameer>virtualbox is slow :|
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17:30<Tw4t>v4mpire, whats the name of the directory?
17:31<Tw4t>ln -s target_filename symlink_filename
17:32<Viper550>anyone got KDE4 beta 2 packages?
17:33<v4mpire>ahh ok cheers
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17:35<Supaplex>nice. /var/lib/dpkg/info/util-vserver.postinst: line 91: 10505 Segmentation fault update-rc.d util-vserver defaults >/dev/null
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17:36<[Dark-Star]>i have some quesiton about useing debain vs windows can someone pm me
17:36<Supaplex>we are the borg. ask the collective.
17:36<Viper550>just tell them out to the world here, you may get more answers
17:36<RatRod666>ask away
17:36<[Dark-Star]>lol k
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17:37<chealer>Viper550: ask #debian-kde
17:37<RatRod666>simple answer, debian is easy, windows is a hog
17:38<[Dark-Star]>im running windows server 2003 and it's not a very reliable sys for running irc,torrent, and web server is debain a better way to go since it uses linux
17:38<RatRod666>cherokee web server, azurs torrent and xchat for irs
17:38<RatRod666>irc
17:39<Supaplex>heck yeah [Dark-Star] :)
17:39<v4mpire>Tw4t,
17:39<v4mpire>:/var/www# cd syscp
17:39<v4mpire>bash: cd: syscp: Too many levels of symbolic links
17:39<Supaplex>v4mpire: ls -l syscp
17:39<KoRn3>seems like 2003 would cope easily too to be honest
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17:40[~]Supaplex passes [Dark-Star] www.goodbye-windows.com - ps dual booting back to win2k3 is a little broken atm.
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17:40<[Dark-Star]>server 03 is a pretty lousy o/s for much of nething that isnt business
17:40<v4mpire>Supaplex, not working mate
17:40<Supaplex>v4mpire: readlink syscp
17:41<v4mpire>Forbidden
17:41<v4mpire>You don't have permission to access /syscp/ on this server.
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17:41<RatRod666>[Dark-Star], the main thing you will want with linux is a good package manager, and that is where Deb excels
17:41<v4mpire>c:/var/www# readlink syscp
17:41<v4mpire>syscp
17:41<Supaplex>well it's pointing to itself
17:41<v4mpire>:S
17:41<Supaplex>recursive links are bad. :)
17:42<[Dark-Star]>also most of my drives are already in fat32 format and would take forever to convet and move the file, does debian support fat32 drives/or am i going to have to put them in linux swap space ?
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17:43<v4mpire>ln -s /home/syscp/* syscp
17:43<v4mpire>ln: target `syscp' is not a directory
17:43<Supaplex>why the wildcard?
17:43<RatRod666>[Dark-Star], you will have to format your drive to a linux format, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, JFS, or XFS
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17:43<Viper550>ext2/3 are the best options
17:44<v4mpire>wouldn't i need it for all the stuff inside there ?
17:44<v4mpire>oh
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17:46<Supaplex>v4mpire: a symlink can only point to one thing
17:46<[Dark-Star]>so debain can,t read fat32? more to the point i know the main drive with the o/s on it would have to be formated with ext3 but the drives with the files on them are ext usb or 2nd ide drives.
17:46<v4mpire>i noticed now
17:47<Viper550>Debian can read FAT32 partitions, but you just can't install on it
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17:48<kop>I've an amd64 etch system that needs linux 2.6.21 to use the nic. The plan is to get it from backports.org. I tried booting off a lenny debian-live cd, but can't chroot because (duh) the cd is i386 and the disk executables are amd64. Is there an amd64 lenny debian-live iso somewhere, should I make one from a 32bit etch system, or what would be the best way to get the backports.org kernel onto the box?
17:48<[Dark-Star]>k,thx thats what i was trng to find out,, formating 8tb of info would be a pain
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17:49<Supaplex>uhh, d-i just formatted / when I said no. $*@$(!!###
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17:49<Supaplex>meh, now I get to fix ssh keys :-/ grr.
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17:50<kop>Supaplex: If it's just the partition table then you might be able to put the old one back (with dd or something). If it's thefilesystem your're stuck.
17:51<Supaplex>yeah. no big loss. I was going to backup /etc/ssh - but that's all I'm worried about. no biggie.
17:51<chealer>kop: can't you use any removable media to transfer files to the box?
17:52<kop>chealer: Sure, but which packages would be installed from backports.org? I assume more than _just_ the linux-image.* package.
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17:54<chealer>kop: I assume the opposite
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17:54<leizar999>there is someone here?
17:54<kerneld>Anyone have access to BGP db?
17:55<kerneld>need to see if AS15211 is publishing any routes
17:55<leizar999>how can i install linux mint?
17:55<kop>chealer: It seems "slicker" to boot from a newer kernel and chroot. Especially because I don't know what apt will do if I tell it to install a single package file, whereas if I use aptitude and point it to backports.org then I know things will get removed eventually when I don't need it any more.
17:55<leizar999>this is impossible
17:55<chealer>leizar999: Linux Mint is offtopic here.
17:55<leizar999>ok
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17:56<Supaplex>!tell leizar999 -about based on debian
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17:56<v4mpire>how do you remove users from mysql ?
17:56<Supaplex>kerneld: dnsstuff.com might
17:57<kop>chealer: I'm just not entirely apt-clueful. This would be the first time I stray from installing just "debian stock archive" stuff.
17:57<seanius>v4mpire: you can revoke all privileges ... or manually remove them from the user table
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17:58<v4mpire>i cant do nothing as there isn't enough space in that area :/
17:58<v4mpire>all thanks to debians auto partitioner
17:58<chealer>kop: don't worry, 20 MB of hard disk space isn't worth one cent these days.
17:58<kop>chealer: What would be the right way to use apt to install a package file from backports.org so that apt knows where it came from?
17:59<chealer>kop: excellent learning opportunity :)
17:59<kop>chealer: It's not the disk. It's having cruft about that will interfere with other stuff. (in ways I know not.)
17:59<kop>chealer: Yup!
17:59<Supaplex>kop: what's the FAQ on backports.org say?
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18:00<kop>Supaplex: It assumes you've got a network connection, which I don't until I get the new kernel installed.
18:00<Supaplex>kop: and irc does? :)
18:00<chealer>kop: it shouldn't cause any significant interference.
18:01<kop>Supaplex:) It's another box.
18:01<Supaplex>but you don't need to install the faq to read it
18:01<chealer>kop: why would APT need to know where it came from?
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18:02<Supaplex>the version number alone is usually a good indication where it's from. if it's too new for stable, then you pulled it from somewhere else.
18:02<kop>chealer: Well, there's some magic in apt that will give backports.org low priority so stuff won't get installed from there until I ask for it specifically.
18:02<Supaplex>kop: also covered in the faq. that's how it's handled by default.
18:03<chealer>kop: that's not affected by already installed packages.
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18:05<kop>Supaplex: The version numbering is in the faq, but nothing on how to install a package if you've not got network. I'm worried about stuff like: Suppose there's a security fix. I'd like apt to get the fix from backports.org. I worry that if I install from a .deb that won't happen. (As I said, I'm not apt-clueful.)
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18:06<v4mpire>can noone help my smace problem ?
18:07<kop>v4mpire: smace?
18:08<v4mpire>*space
18:08<Supaplex>kop: oh so you want to use sneakernet instead. ok =) I know there's a trick to that (zip disks/usb keys come to mind), but I don't recall.
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18:08<Supaplex>v4mpire: so you've exausted space on a mount point, right?
18:08<v4mpire>yes
18:08<kop>Supaplex: I've got a lenny debian-live cd booted now, so the nic's working temporarly.
18:08<chealer>v4mpire: which space problem?
18:09<Supaplex>v4mpire: let's see df -h on http://rafb.net/paste
18:09<v4mpire>pl
18:09<v4mpire>*ok
18:09<kop>v4mpire: I don't suppose you're using lvm?
18:09<v4mpire>not as far as i know
18:09<Supaplex>lvm would make it sooooo much eaiser. :)
18:09<v4mpire>^^
18:09[~]Supaplex uses lvm where possible
18:10<v4mpire>would also make it easier if debian auto partitioner didn't make silly small mount points
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18:11<Supaplex>you can adjust those on install. how is it suppose to know what you're really going to do with it?
18:11<kop>v4mpire: While you're using rafb.net/paste, it'd also be good to see "sfdisk -l /dev/foo" for all your devices to see what space you've got unused -- if you've got any at all.
18:12<Supaplex>we're open to insightful suggestions, but "it's so broken" comments are moot at best in solving the issue (if it's a real issue)
18:12<v4mpire>sfdisk: cannot open /dev/foo for reading
18:12<kop>Supaplex: (I wonder why the d-i does not do lvm by default?)
18:13<v4mpire>http://rafb.net/p/jEYGE422.html
18:13<RatRod666>cd /
18:13<kop>v4mpire: You need to substutite whatever disks you've got for "foo", like hda.
18:13<RatRod666>then du -h
18:13<v4mpire>oh lol
18:13<kop>RatRod666: df is mucho faster than du.
18:14<RatRod666>well prolly so
18:14<v4mpire>df -h shows what space i have
18:14<Supaplex>kop: it's a little more complicated. improper use is more likely to break booting, filesystem access, etc
18:16<kop>v4mpire: You've filled /var. The easy solution is to do "aptitude clean" to remove your cache of installed debian packages. But then you might think of the longer term and see about migrating to lvm.
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18:16<v4mpire>kop already done that
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18:18<v4mpire>E: Write error - write (28 No space left on device)
18:18<v4mpire>E: Couldn't write state file
18:18<v4mpire>on aptitude clean
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18:19<antony_>why firefox have strange name ?
18:19<Viper550>antony_: it's a special build of Firefox that Debian has to use due to copyright restrictions on Firefox artwork
18:20<valdyn>antony_: debian cannot use the branding 'firefox' for license reasons
18:20<antony_>Viper550 , understand , but why all the other dists can ?
18:20<seanius>dpkg: tell antony_ about why iceweasel
18:20<Viper550>The Firefox logos are registered under a license that Debian declares "un-free", so they made IceWeasel to replace it. It's also got some extra security features that I find nifty
18:21<v4mpire>epiphany == firefox ?
18:21<v4mpire>oh iceweasel
18:21<seanius>basically mozilla corp got their heads up their asses
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18:21<Viper550>no. epiphany is not firefox, although it does use the same rendering engine
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18:21<antony_>v4mpire , i know . . . but its starange ( in ubuntu i had firefox . . .)
18:21<v4mpire>yea
18:22<Viper550>Epiphany has tighter integration with Gnome
18:22<v4mpire>distros i've tryed have it
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18:22<Viper550>debian/=ubuntu
18:23<antony_>how i can view my ntfs drivers ?
18:23<valdyn>antony_: mozilla.org wants the right to evaluate each patch that distributors apply to firefox. Debians policy does not allow that.
18:23<v4mpire>ahh
18:23<kop>v4mpire: I'm sorry, I can't hang out here now and talk you through this. However, the approach I'd take would be to make a large file with 'cat /dev/zero | head -n lots-o-megabytes > /usr/local/foo" Then put a filesystem into the file and mount it with the loopback device (after booting in single user mode) then tar /var into the mounted file, umount /var and your file, remount the file (using loopback) again as /var. Then you can erase /var/ and start over
18:23<v4mpire>makes sense
18:23<seanius>antony_: ^^^ and ubuntu decided that this was okay
18:23<valdyn>antony_: different distros do not have strict policy in the debian sense
18:23<bighornram>how do you configure firehol for avahi / lenny?
18:24<valdyn>antony_: i.e. debian needs the right to apply security fixes as it sees fit, not as mozilla.org sees fit
18:24<v4mpire>kop no idea how to do that but will get as lil more info somewhere
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18:24<seanius>v4mpire: what exactly was your problem?
18:25<valdyn>!iceweasel
18:25<dpkg>somebody said iceweasel was the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
18:25<v4mpire>i filled /var
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18:25<kop>seanius: See http://rafb.net/p/jEYGE422.html
18:25<seanius>no biggie, just find some stuff to nuke away
18:25<antony_>ok i understand that sound that debian is "more free" than ubuntu and that is good
18:26<valdyn>antony_: its not about 'more free'
18:26<Viper550>but Iceweasel can support all firefox themes/extensions, and you could just edit the menus to make it look like Firefox, and you could use this titlebar name changer to change the titlebar name to Firefox
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18:26<valdyn>antony_: its about debian applying patches according to its policy, it CANNOT ask third party for permission to apply patches
18:27<valdyn>antony_: mozilla.org wants the preserve the right to control any patches applied to firefox with firefox branding
18:27<Viper550>though Iceweasel is cute though :)
18:28<valdyn>antony_: so debian cannot distribute firefox, NOT even in non-free
18:28<Supaplex>oh look, "why iceweasel" - why not msg dpkg and find out.
18:29<seanius>v4mpire: can you paste "sudo du -sk /var/* | sort -n" and "sudo du -sk /var/*/* | sort -n" ?
18:30<antony_>valdyn , by what you say mozilla developers ( or the people who decide what to do ) are no so smart . . .
18:30<valdyn>antony_: nah
18:30<valdyn>antony_: they protect their branding
18:30<kop>antony_: It might well be a legal question.
18:30<seanius>antony_: that's sort of orthogonal to the issue
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18:31<valdyn>antony_: they are 'scared' of modifactations that could sacrifice quality
18:31<valdyn>antony_: which seems silly when looking at what debian does.
18:31<antony_>but firefox is oss isnt it ?
18:31<v4mpire>seanius, http://rafb.net/p/Eest3464.html
18:31<valdyn>antony_: sure, but the BRAND is not
18:32<valdyn>antony_: firefox the code is free, the picture and the brand and the name is not.
18:32<bighornram>How do I disable avahi in lenny?
18:32<seanius>v4mpire: okay, looks like you have a runaway process filling up /var via those logfiles
18:32<antony_>valdyn , i ahte this , that is the reason i cant have red hat :(
18:32<antony_>valdyn , i ahte this , that is the reason i cant have red hat :(
18:33<antony_>opss sorry
18:33<seanius>v4mpire: do you know what's creating those files?
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18:33<Supaplex>I've used RHEL5 recently. besides some artwork, it's nearly identical to FC.
18:33<v4mpire>seanius, n idea
18:33<v4mpire>*no
18:34<antony_>how i can mount my ntfs drivers ?
18:34<valdyn>!ntfs-3g
18:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a NTFS driver with write support. Available in lenny but not for etch except as a backport. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
18:34<kop>antony_: OT: There's centos if you want RH and don't want to pay.
18:34<valdyn>antony_: or just mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /path/to/mountpoint ( for readonly access )
18:35<seanius>v4mpire: try "sudo lsof | grep mide-trafico-http.pl.log"
18:35<seanius>hopefully lsof is installed :)
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18:36<v4mpire>mide-traf 14256 root 1w REG 8,6 776208384 286951 /var/l og/mide-trafico-http.pl.log
18:36<v4mpire>mide-traf 14256 root 2w REG 8,6 776208384 286951 /var/l og/mide-trafico-http.pl.log
18:36<v4mpire>mide-traf 14256 root 5w REG 8,6 776208384 286951 /var/l og/mide-trafico-http.pl.log
18:36<antony_>valdyn , can you give me the exacly command for ntfs driver thathis letter in windows was c (c://) and iw ant to mount it to : media/hda1
18:36<v4mpire>ahh too many lines lol
18:36<valdyn>antony_: c is probably /dev/hda1, but there's no way to know for me
18:36<v4mpire>by the looks of it its the gnu log files
18:37<seanius>gnupanel according to google
18:37<v4mpire>i removed gnu dir by dir as couldn't find the uninstall
18:37<v4mpire>yea
18:37<v4mpire>thought so
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18:37<seanius>is killing them an option?
18:37<v4mpire>how would i do that ?
18:37<seanius>i.e. clients won't come screaming down the hall saying wtf wheres my site
18:38<v4mpire>no its my home personal system
18:38<v4mpire>:)
18:38<seanius>kill 14256
18:38<v4mpire>rm then ?
18:38<seanius>you might want to tail the logfile to see what's in the logs to make sure you weren't hacked
18:39<kop>If I'm running, for example, etch, and want to install something from, say, lenny, what's the right way to juggle apt's sources.list? I figure to keep a separate file, say sources.list.lenny, that also has lenny sources and then use something like aptitude -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist=/etc/apt/sources.list.lenny install foo. Is that the "right way", or if not then what is when you don't want to use backports.org. Or will apt look at my /etc/debian_version and not
18:39<seanius>feel free to paste for a second opinion
18:39<v4mpire>only installed gnu a lil while ago and it didn't work properly so remove it best i could xD
18:39<v4mpire>seanius, how would i tail ?
18:39<antony_>valdyn , i have mounted wrong how i can unmount ?
18:39<petemc>kop: look into backports
18:40<seanius>v4mpire: tail is the name of a command
18:40<RatRod666>kop, I comment out the etch sources or sid sources, and update apt then grab what ya need
18:40<v4mpire>oh ok
18:40<kop>petemc: I have. But I'm interested in how to "mix" releases without backports.
18:40<v4mpire>been at least a year or so since i've used the command
18:40<seanius>kop: you want apt pinning
18:40<v4mpire>seanius, any particular log ?
18:40<petemc>kop: doesnt work
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18:41<seanius>any of those three big ones
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18:41<seanius>i'm going to guess on a hunch that it's probably just a looping message about being unable to find some files or connect to a database, but it could also be someone having some fun with your systme
18:41<v4mpire>Is the server running on host "localhost" and accepting
18:41<v4mpire> TCP/IP connections on port 5432?
18:42<v4mpire>on ftp file
18:42<v4mpire>a few times
18:42<v4mpire>thats it :/
18:42<kop>petemc: I can see where it wouldn't in the general case.
18:42<Supaplex>5432 sounds like postgresql
18:42<v4mpire>that reminds be my ftp server isn't working either not accepting connections
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18:42<seanius>5432 is postgres
18:43<v4mpire>ahh yea would probz be post as it wanted post and i wouldn't let it as mysql is already on there and it works with mysql
18:43<v4mpire>could not connect to server: Connection refused
18:43<v4mpire>that was the next line of the log file
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18:44<seanius>v4mpire: so it's like 5000 lines of stuff like that?
18:44<antony_>how i can unmount driver ?
18:44<v4mpire>dunno it only printed 4 but i can look
18:45<v4mpire>its the same in the other 2 log files also
18:46<seanius>okay then it was probably just runaway logging to blame
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18:46<seanius>this is one good reason to have partitions. if you didn't have a seperate partition for /var it could have filled your whole system, making it much harder to fix and breaking more stuff
18:47<v4mpire>:o
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18:47<v4mpire>that wouldn't be fun as i'd be kicking the system :(
18:48<v4mpire>so what should i do... jus rm the log files ?
18:48<seanius>v4mpire: yes, and you should also make sure that the processes don't come back
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18:49<antony_>what is the command to create folder?
18:49<RatRod666>mkdir /foo
18:49<seanius>start with removing them and see if df shows the space come back
18:49<RatRod666>or mkdir foo/
18:49<v4mpire>seanius, i removed all the gnu stuff earlier other than readme crap
18:50<seanius>v4mpire: you might want to check for init scripts in /etc/init.d too
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18:51<antony_>RatRod666 , i get : mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/hda1': Operation not permitted
18:51<RatRod666>what are you trying to do?
18:52<antony_>RatRod666 , create folder with the name "hda1" in folder "media"
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18:53<Viper550>uh SUDO
18:53<RatRod666>or su
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18:53<RatRod666>you need to be root to make a dir there
18:54<antony_>RatRod666 , aim with su . . . ,
18:54<antony_>i need to unmount some ntfs driver how i can ?
18:54<RatRod666>where is it mounted?
18:54<antony_>RatRod666 , in media
18:55<RatRod666>ok find where its mounted /media/XXX
18:55<RatRod666>then take that and su
18:55<RatRod666>then umount /media/XXX
18:55<RatRod666>that will unmount it
18:55<RatRod666>make sure you dont have the dir open or it will tell you its bussy
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18:56<antony_>RatRod666 , yes thanks
18:57<RatRod666>that work?
18:57<RatRod666>antony_, I would not make any new dir's in /media, hald uses that to automount
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18:59<antony_>RatRod666 , i have no any konq open and i get busy .. . to restat ?
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19:00<morpheus_>as I can switch exim smtp on auth, do not come thereby not clearly
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19:02<RatRod666>make sure your not inthat dir
19:02<RatRod666>then try it again
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19:14<v4mpire>uhh
19:14<v4mpire>Err http://http.us.debian.org etch/main postfix-mysql 2.3.8-2+b1
19:14<v4mpire> Error writing to output file - write (28 No space left on device) [IP: 204.152.191.7 80]
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19:16<seanius>v4mpire: did you check df after you removed those files?
19:17<v4mpire>yes and checked the init script
19:17<seanius>if you remove a file but a process still has it open then you don't get the space back until the process is gone
19:17<v4mpire>then checked again and the ftp and correo log was back
19:17<v4mpire>the http file was gone
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19:18<seanius>v4mpire: do that "sudo lsof | grep /var" again. looks like you need to kill 2 more processes
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19:20<v4mpire>http://rafb.net/p/bqRNcg27.html
19:20<v4mpire>that isn't all of it cuz it got pushed out of terminal
19:22<seanius>okay then same as before but pipe it to grep /var/log instead of grep /var
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19:24<v4mpire>so do "sudo lsof | grep /var/log" ?
19:24<seanius>yeah
19:26<v4mpire>http://rafb.net/p/Bxmvr894.html
19:29<seanius>so then kill 14252 14254
19:29<seanius>and looks like a few more
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19:30<seanius>the second column are the process ids, kill any that have those spanish looking logfile names i'd say :)
19:30[~]seanius goes to bed
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20:07<silent>hey, just wondering how one would import their windows font folder
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20:10<silent>!font
20:10<dpkg>'fixed' is the one true font!
20:10<silent>!fonts
20:10<dpkg>[fonts] check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis
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20:15<neh0>oi
20:16<v4mpire>?
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20:21<xzero>Are the nvidia drivers present in lenny anywhere? I have the non-free and contrib added, but I can only see legacy drivers in there in apt-cache..
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20:22<v4mpire>what should this be
20:22<v4mpire>(include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear'
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20:43<silent>apparently I need /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4'. Where can I obtain this for 64 bit?
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20:51<VI>Having a bit of a problem with new kernel and Lilo boot loader: I added the new vmlinuz image to my lilo.conf, and when I run lilo, it says "Fatal: Setup length exceeds 31 maximum; kernel setup will override boot loader" What's wrong?
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21:16<aArchnix>Hi, running Lenny 2.6.21-2 and can't suspend. Closing laptop lid does just locks screen. Same with choosing standby from menu. Sudo standby just says no such thing as standby.
21:16<aArchnix>I've added myself to the powerdev group
21:16<aArchnix>as well as the haldev group
21:17<aArchnix>Though trying to suspend from the root account didn't work either, so I doubt it's a permissino issue.
21:17<miksuh>does hibernate work?
21:18<miksuh>try to select hibernate from powermanagers menu
21:18<aArchnix>Ok.
21:18<manphiz>aArchnix, which video driver are you using?
21:18<miksuh>I can't remeber right now what I did to make suspend to work on my Etch laptop
21:18<aArchnix>xserver-xorg-video-intel and intel is selected in my xorg
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21:18<lupine_85>miksuh: presumably, your offering of burnt flesh was pleasing to the Dark Ghods
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21:19<manphiz>oh well, then video driver shouldn't be a problem
21:19<lupine_85>they like it medium rare, but well seared on the outside
21:19<aArchnix>sorry, I'm mistaken, i810 is in my xorg. Strange.
21:20<aArchnix>I'll switch that up and see what happens.
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21:20<aArchnix>Because the resolution was correct I didn't think to look there.
21:20<aArchnix>I'll try hibernate too.
21:20<miksuh>lupine_85: heh
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21:25<aArchnix>Hi again... ok, changed video driver to intel and tried suspend. Whereas before it would just lock screen, this time it disconnected me from the network and then popped up a little box saying "sorry buddy, no can do". Or something like that. Hibernate works a treat, even brings my wireless and audio back up without a problem. It's not much faster than a reboot, but at least the thing can turn itself off now and save the state without m
21:26<aArchnix>Still, suspend would be nice.
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21:30<aArchnix>hmmm... just going through dmesg and seeing all kinds of eth link not ready cerrors.
21:30<aArchnix>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready
21:30<aArchnix>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
21:30<aArchnix>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready
21:30<aArchnix>eth1: no IPv6 routers present
21:30<aArchnix>ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready
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21:31<aArchnix>Ok, need to learn to use the flood thing.
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21:36<aArchnix>Ok, here's the errors in dmes when trying to standby
21:36<aArchnix>http://paste.debian.net/38320
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22:01<wmachalica>is this channel for etch only?
22:01<chealer>wmachalica: no
22:02[~]dendrite imagines wmachalica running potato...
22:02<wmachalica>lol, close... woody
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22:03<wmachalica>how can I get source packages for it?
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22:03<dendrite>Woody!! Cutting edge!!
22:03<wmachalica>hey, been running for years.
22:03<dendrite>wmachalica: add a deb-src to your /etc/apt/sources.list
22:04<dendrite>wmachalica: mkdir and cd to where you want to build, and do apt-get source <package>
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22:04<wmachalica>where would the repository be? I believe it's no longer on packages.debian.org
22:04<dendrite>wmachalica: Maybe also do apt-get build-dep <package>
22:04<wmachalica>they only go back to sarge i think
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22:05<dendrite>wmachalica: Dunno. Maybe google knows, or maybe someone else here will chime in.
22:05<wmachalica>dendrite: Thanks!
22:06<dendrite>wmachalica: Can we interest you in a dist-upgrade? ;-)
22:06<wmachalica>dendrite: They are production boxes that absolutely must stay up.
22:07<dendrite>wmachalica: That's a definite 'no' for sure.
22:07<wmachalica>dendrite: We are in the process of getting standby machines so I can rebuild these
22:07<dendrite>What are you wanting to build?
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22:09<wmachalica>dendrite: the shadow suite
22:09<dendrite>Ah, that will be intricate.
22:09<wmachalica>dendrite: tell me about it
22:09<wmachalica>dendrite: tried with several packages already
22:10<dendrite>wmachalica: One technique, that I'm not pushing, but just mentioning, is the idea of using the next release to get sources from, then build in your own versions toolchain.
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22:10<prahal>anyone encounter the "policy timeout is not valid" error from gnome-power-manager ?
22:10<wmachalica>dendrite: that's what I just tried to do. Pulled from sarge and built
22:11<wmachalica>dendrite: it keeps telling me it can't auth the user trying to change his own password
22:11<dendrite>... Is that bad? =9-o
22:11<wmachalica>dendrite: i figured it might be using a different method of hashing the password
22:11<dendrite>Possible.
22:12<dendrite>what are the build-deps?
22:12<wmachalica>dendrite: heck, i could just delete passwd all togeather... that'll fix em :)
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22:12<dendrite>Maybe it's reading from /etc/shadow -- is that there?
22:13<wmachalica>yep the shadow is there
22:13<dendrite>Sorry, had to ask. =)
22:13<wmachalica>I did some printfs and the encrypted password comes back as "x"
22:13<dendrite>wmachalica: strace it? Not quite sure how I'd tackle that, though.
22:14<dendrite>...
22:14<wmachalica>yeah, I was hoping it would be simple :)
22:14<dendrite>The 'x' looks suspiciously like it comes from the /etc/passwd file...
22:15<wmachalica>hmm, i'm kinda over my head. i don't normally muck around with that stuff
22:16<dendrite>wmachalica: Well, I remember the conversion to shadow was not without its pains and tribulations.
22:16<dendrite>Not as bad as libc6 though. :-)
22:16<wmachalica>i was just hoping I could get the source for the original binary to eliminate any incompatibilities.
22:17<wmachalica>all right, thanks for your help!
22:17<dendrite>wmachalica: Dig through your CD collection...
22:18<wmachalica>dendrite: lol, I only have cds 1- 6 of 3.0
22:18<wmachalica>dendrite: i have all 12 of 3.1
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22:19<dendrite>*sigh*
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22:31<aArchnix>wmachalica... this site suggests they're still available... http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive
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22:54<Cozminsky>hi all
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23:11<artur>Hello all,
23:12<artur>I have Etch. Just half an hour aboub noticed during bootup that swap file failed to activate: "Activating swap file.... [Fail]" What's that mean, and how to get it back, any thoughts? Thanks
23:13<Cozminsky>what does file -s /path/to/swap/device do?
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23:21<artur>Hi, my swap is hda6, so the command "
23:22<artur>file -s /dev/hda6 outputs this: Linux/i386 swap file (new style) 1 (4K pages) size 526119 pages
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23:24<dli>artur, grep swap /etc/fstab
23:28<artur>dli, here it is: "/dev/hda6 none swap sw 0 0"
23:28<dli>artur, is /dev/hda6 a valid device? fdisk -l
23:29<artur>funny thing is, I never had this before, and I have the same fstab configuration on my laptop. never had problems, and noticed it, frankly, just by chance (because "FAIL" was in RED)
23:29<dli>artur, cat /proc/swaps
23:30<artur>fdisk -l - yes, seems like hda6 is a valid device. /dev/hda6 6508 6769 2104483+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
23:30<artur>sorry, here it is: /dev/hda6 partition 2104472 0 -1
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23:32<dli>artur, test it manually, " swapoff /dev/hda6;swapon /dev/hda6"
23:32<artur>ok will do in a sec
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23:35<ameyer>what's up with the dcc send spam in freenode #debian?
23:36<artur>dli, whe I type swapoff /dev/hda6 - nothing happens; type swapon /dev/hda6 - nothing happens either. Should there be some output after issuing these commands?
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23:37<dli>artur, check "dmesg"
23:38<dli>artur, unix tradition, if it's quiet, it's good
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23:39<artur>dli, meaning "don't touch it as long as it works"? sorry English is not my native... will post it on the forum anyway
23:40<Cozminsky>artur, he means if it doesn't have an error it means things are ok
23:41<dli>!tell artur about paste
23:42<artur>ok then. just for the record, I am still not up there quite yet to manipulate with commands like you guys do. 2/3 of the commands dli mentioned I didn't know existed :)
23:42<artur>here is the output (last 2 lines on swap) of dmesg:
23:42<artur>Adding 2104472k swap on /dev/hda6. Priority:-2 extents:1 across:2104472k
23:42<artur>Adding 2104472k swap on /dev/hda6. Priority:-3 extents:1 across:2104472k
23:42<Cozminsky>swap is working
23:43<artur>ok Cozminsky, it's very relieving :) thanks a lot guys. Cheers .
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23:44<artur>btw, found off Google this command: mkswap. Will add it my must-read list
23:44<Cozminsky>you should only need that if your swap partition wasn't formatted
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23:46<artur>OK. Cozminsky, dli - thanks a lot for your help, much appreciated! Cheers
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23:52<Cozminsky>It's quiet in here.
23:52<ameyer>indeed
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