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00:26<padski>the upgrade from etch to
00:27<NotLim>to?
00:27<padski>lenny on my ibook g4 seems to have broken the wifi after sleep. any suggestions ?
00:27<dondelelcaro>padski: have you tried modprobe -r foomdoule; modprobe foomdoule; ?
00:28<dondelelcaro>(whatever the module is; bcm43xx or orinoco)
00:28<padski>dondelelcaro: ifdown && ifup fixes
00:28<padski>its bcm43xx
00:28<dondelelcaro>padski: ah; yeah, bcm43xx does some wierd things
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00:28<dondelelcaro>I usually have to reassociate with the ap
00:28<padski>dondelelcaro: it seems much better in .21 than it was in .18. apart from this
00:29<padski>ifdown would do that wouldn't it ?
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00:29<padski>sorry, ifdown && ifup
00:29<dondelelcaro>padski: yeah, it would, and yeah it is.
00:29<padski>but that wasn't needed with .18 and the sleep stuff isn't setup to do that ?
00:30<dondelelcaro>well, you could set it up to do that; I've personally not bothered
00:31<dondelelcaro>it's really a bug in the driver, AFAIC, but it's not that serious
00:31<padski>I'd be happy to work around it for now
00:32<Supaplex>eg, you'll tollerate it for now.
00:32<padski>Supaplex: the bug in the driver ? yes, it's better than the dup packets I was seeing in .18 :-)
00:32<Supaplex>fun
00:33<Supaplex>fun
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00:33<padski>dondelelcaro: any pointers on where to configure the sleep ?
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00:38<niru>hi all
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01:29<knoppix_>alo
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01:35<WildOS>How do I prevent uboot from booting right away when inserting something like this: setenv bootcmd tftp 0x020c00000 uImage.bin; tftp 0x20500000 cramfs.img; bootm 0x20c00000
01:37<WildOS>got it =)
01:38<WildOS>forgot some ' at the beginning and end...
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01:39<WildOS>How do I remove a variable if I've managed to add the variable twice?
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01:57<mateusz>hi
01:58<mateusz>how to install xserver from 2007-03-05 ?
01:58<mateusz>the one in sid is broken for intel
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02:00<WildOS>got it =)
02:00<mateusz>?
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02:14<entuall>hi
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02:16<manphiz>well, debian-lists are being filled with junk mails...
02:17<sheldonh>hmmm
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02:17<sheldonh>once you've had a palm treo, it's hard to swallow the software on symbian and windows mobile phones
02:17<sheldonh>it was a shit phone, but its appage was awesome
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02:28<Tw4t>cant install nspluginwrapper, lenny it isnt available. what do i have to do?
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02:30<ifvoid>Tw4t: it is in testing
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02:31<Tw4t>Package nspluginwrapper has no installation candidate
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02:35<ifvoid>Tw4t: do you have contrib in sources.list?
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02:37<Tw4t>ifvoid, yeah
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02:39<Tw4t>ifvoid, http://rafb.net/p/CTa50D71.html
02:40<ifvoid>Tw4t: you have a very weird sources.list
02:40<Tw4t>it works
02:40<Tw4t>i think
02:40<ifvoid>Tw4t: you really shouldn't be mixing etch, lenny and unstable
02:40<ifvoid>anyway, add contrib to the lenny entry
02:40<Tw4t>i have to
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02:42<Tw4t>ifvoid, yey ;)
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02:48<simonrvn>mixing stables testing and unstable? o_O
02:48<simonrvn>stable*
02:48<streuner_>!bobbitt
02:48<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro".
02:49<Tw4t>i have fixed it now, i only have stable, lenny contrib, and multimedia
02:49<streuner_>Tw4t: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
02:49<Tw4t>is that alright?
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02:50<Eulex>Tw4t, stable main + lenny contrib? :S
02:50<Tw4t>streuner_, ii libc6 2.6.1-1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
02:50<simonrvn>that's lenny
02:50<simonrvn>that ain't no etch there
02:50<Tw4t>yeah i know i have etch #
02:50<streuner_>Tw4t: /msg dpkg sid faq - welcome to lenny :-)
02:51<Tw4t>yey
02:51<streuner_>Tw4t: show us your sources.list
02:51<streuner_>please
02:51<simonrvn>no, that is *not* etch
02:52<Tw4t>http://rafb.net/p/EGbH9k38.html
02:52<simonrvn>what's the point of having lenny contrib and etch main? wth are you doing?
02:52[~]sheldonh wonders whether Tw4t realizes how english people will read his nick
02:52<simonrvn>of course he does
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02:52<sheldonh>simonrvn: then maybe you've been lured into feeding the trolls? :)
02:53<Tw4t>i was using etch coz i was running etch, now its commented out
02:53<Tw4t>its just in there
02:53<Supaplex>coz?
02:53<Supaplex>it's?
02:53<Tw4t>exaile
02:53<simonrvn>sheldonh: yeh, and about to get added to my ever bloated ignore list
02:53<Supaplex>;)
02:53<Tw4t>pidgin
02:53<Tw4t>etc
02:53<Eulex>Tw4t, then what's the 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' line? ;)
02:53<Eulex>which isn't commented out.
02:53<Tw4t>Coz thats where alot of packages are
02:54<simonrvn>moron on a stick for breakfast, anyone?
02:54<Tw4t>isnt it
02:54<Eulex>stable == etch
02:54<ted>hello, i'm trying to use the intelfb framebuffer driver, however it's always the vesafb which gets loaded... is use grub and "video=intelfb vga=785" as parameter. I use etch.
02:54<Tw4t>ok i'll # the problem
02:54<ted>Anyone has any pointers to a solution?
02:54<sheldonh>Tw4t: i think people here can help you with 4 options: 1) running pure etch, 2) running pure lenny, 3) running pure sid, 4) running pure etch or lenny and backporting packages from lenny and/or sid
02:54<streuner_>Tw4t: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib ; deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main ; deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
02:54<sheldonh>Tw4t: anything else, and you're probably on your own
02:54<Supaplex>simonrvn: it's too late here for breakfast. more like bed time. so much for buying milk today. guess it's waffles in the morning or something. :p
02:54<Eulex>Tw4t, and why do you have debian-multimedia for unstable?
02:55<simonrvn>hehe
02:55<Tw4t>mencoder
02:55<Eulex>Tw4t, yes, but you'
02:55<Eulex>re on testing, not unstable
02:55[~]Supaplex snaps Tw4t's crack-pipe in two
02:55<Tw4t>dont need it?
02:55<Eulex>Tw4t, and why custom irssi packages for sarge?
02:55<simonrvn>ted: if vesafb is built-in you can't do much about it
02:55<streuner_>Tw4t: subsitiute in the security line testing for etch
02:55<streuner_>deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib
02:56<ted>simonrvn: it's the default kernel ?
02:56<sheldonh>guys, can i suggest that you first let him decide which of those 4 options he's going to go with, and then help with that?
02:56<simonrvn>i don't know if they do, looks like they might
02:56<sheldonh>well, i don't need permission to suggest it. i'm suggesting it, and you can do what you like with my suggestion :)
02:56<sheldonh>dp<g: suggest is Don't ask permission to make a suggestion, just make it. ;)
02:56<simonrvn>i'm suggesting i'm going to move on to other hunting areas
02:56<Eulex>sheldonh & Tw4t, lenny or sid are the only possible choices without a reinstall
02:57<sheldonh>Eulex: wellll, sort of :)
02:57<sheldonh>Eulex: downgrading isn't supported. that's not the same as impossible. but i hear you
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02:57<Eulex>sheldonh, well, 'impossible' for him. unless you wanna guide him through it.
02:58<simonrvn>i sure won't. it's a PITA for people who know what they're doing...
02:58<streuner_>nah, ITS impossible
02:58<Tw4t>ok all sorted
02:58<sheldonh>Eulex: that's where your point carries weight -- unsupported means something :)
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02:58<streuner_>are you aware, if you saying its possible, that the next guy just will ask you for that...?
02:59[~]Alth Yes you should, Stace <3
02:59<streuner_>and YOU can guide him through then
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02:59<simonrvn>it's not something you want to do every day...
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03:00<simonrvn>i still have nightmares from the last time
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03:00<streuner_>why didnt you just re-install?
03:00<simonrvn>and that was 20 years ago
03:01<simonrvn>streuner_: it's called leaving off the smilies ;)
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03:05<ted>simonrvn: is vesa always taking precedence and is the 'video=' line ignored then? the intelfb kernel module is available as module when i'm booted up
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03:26<WildOS>Where can I find info about addresses and bootargs like this one: initrd=0x20500000,0x800000. Right now, I am kind a guessing the numbers.. :(
03:28<WildOS>with this bootarg, how big will the ramdisk actually be?
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03:33<ted_>WildOS: in the kernel documentation
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03:35<frido>Hi, anybody using debian's openvpn in bridge mode with windows XPsp2 client ? I have problem with speed, it's still 10Mbps :(
03:38<jm_>WildOS: why do you have to specify that at all?
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03:43<WildOS>jm_: I am booting a arm9 equipped controller with 32MB flash memory.. downloading a cramfs filesystem and a kernel image over tftp.. It is extremely important that one image is not overwritten by the other... but nm, it works now =)
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04:07<Q-FUNK>I have files in /etc that have impossibly long uid and gid numbers on them and root cannot change their permissions or ownership. probably a broken filesystem, except I have no idea of what tool I could use to fix this.
04:07<Q-FUNK>any ideas?
04:07<jm_>what fs?
04:07<Q-FUNK>ext3
04:08<jm_>try debugfs, but be very careful
04:08<dli>Q-FUNK, I suggest fsck
04:09<Q-FUNK>dli: been ther,e done that. nothing found.
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04:17<prahal>Q-FUNK, I would check for immutable flag . Don't have it at hand but I am looking after it
04:18<dli>Q-FUNK, prahal that would be lsattr /chattr
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04:21<prahal>Q-FUNK, http://www.linuxhowtos.org/Tips%20and%20Tricks/chattr.htm anything in lsattr /etc/myfile ?
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04:35<hipoter>alguien en español?
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04:37<Saxarm>hi
04:38<Q-FUNK>prahal: lsattr: Inaproppriate ioctl for device
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04:42<serge>Hello! I used to work with xterm, but in Etch it does not work properly with key sequences like Alt-H, etc.., moreover it doesn't support Cyrillic by default. The only term which works properly is multi-gnome-terminal. QUESTION:
04:43<serge>how to change the font in it? multi-gnome-terminal --font=????
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04:43<nubbun>Recommendations for a program (in the distro) to view which programs or host destinations are using how much bandwidth?
04:43<serge>I want bigger font than it has by default
04:44<jm_>maybe you simply need to set XTerm.vt100.metaSendsEscape: true in x resources
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04:44<prahal>Q-FUNK, what "mount" gives you for / ?
04:44<jm_>nubbun: jnettop, ntop, iptraf - not sure if there's anything on a per-process basis
04:45<dli>serge, I use xfce4/terminal , you can change preferences in menu
04:45<serge>jm_; which Xresources global or I need to create one in my home dir?
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04:45<nubbun>thanks jm_. ntop appearantly needs more setup. It prompts me for an "administrator" password, but doesn't accept the root password. I'll look next at the others.
04:45<serge>dli: i can't use xfce some reason...
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04:47<jm_>serge: I recommend local
04:48<jm_>nubbun: ahh yeah it has web interface, it's explained in README.Debian
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04:54<Usiu>hi
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05:00<Usiu>I have a problem with intel card
05:01<Usiu>only vesa does work with xorg
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05:01<Usiu>Any help?
05:02<prahal>Usiu, etch ?
05:02<prahal>which card (lspci)
05:03<serge>thanks
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05:10<Usiu>prahal, Bug#42035
05:11<prahal>Usiu, there s a number missing
05:12<prahal>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420350 ?
05:13<themill>Usiu: that's a bug report against the testing version (lenny/sid). Are you using that or etch? And what card do you have?
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05:15<Usiu>themill, I use sid
05:15<Usiu>themill, Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
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05:17<prahal>well the bug report goes on until experimental and look like it needs to get upstream
05:18<themill>are you using the driver "intel" or "i810"?
05:19<Q-FUNK>was there a 'dpkg' option to make an audit of the host and find files that should be there but were deleted by e.g. fsck?
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05:20<Usiu>themill, intel but i810 is link to intel now
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05:20<Usiu>older 1.7.4 worked fine
05:20<Usiu>however with new core sever it doesnt
05:20<themill>Usiu: I don't use it, but I thought that i810 was a specific driver and intel was the auto-select driver now....
05:21<Usiu>now
05:21<Usiu>no
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05:21<Usiu>intel replaces i810
05:21<jm_>what do you expect? it's unstable, serves you right
05:21<Usiu>i810 became more wide driver so name was changed
05:21<prahal>Usiu, have you tried with a vanilla configuration (without compositing) . It would be less cumbersome than vesa at least
05:22<Usiu>jm_, this driver doesnt work in etch as well if you have xorg 2.0.0 there
05:22<Usiu>prahal, yes sure
05:22<Usiu>prahal, thats what i did
05:22<prahal>jm_, read the bug report ... he did get from testing to experimental at the maintenair request
05:22<themill>Usiu: similar changes were made for ati graphics, but one name is an "auto select" driver and the specific driver names also exist.
05:23<themill>Usiu: and they are *not* all the same. that's why I was asking.
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05:23<jm_>Usiu: Etch doesn't have that either
05:24<jm_>prahal: how exactly will that change anything?
05:24<Usiu>bug was fowarded to upstream
05:24<Usiu>but not fixed
05:24<themill>ok... but there's little that we can do to support sid... sid is for people who support themselves ;)
05:25<jm_>exactly, so eith erwait or fix it yourself
05:25<prahal>btw unstable is not meant to be "unstable" ... only to be the place for packages to set on before being worked out (we are not suppost to host unstable programs)
05:25<Usiu>ok bye.. have to go my wife called
05:25<Usiu>bye
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05:27<themill>prahal: sid is often in a completely uninstallable state and often will be unstable in that sense of the word. There will be ABI conflicts etc as things are half uploaded and not transitioned. Your description is better for lenny ;)
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05:28<prahal>well I totally agree . Uninstallable, abi breakage ... but no programs that are broken upstream
05:29<prahal>otherwise we are becoming a second sourceforge
05:32<gsimmons>Q-FUNK: Try using debsums (eg. "debsums -s"). You'll be informed of missing files and checksum failings, provided checksum lists were included with the relevant package.
05:33<prahal>Q-FUNK, and if /etc is really on ext2/3 try mount -o remount,rw /
05:36<themill>prahal: true, but there are always going to be bugs. Release early, release often etc...
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05:38<Q-FUNK>gsimmons: ah, I didn't think of that one. thanks.
05:38<Q-FUNK>prahal: it's rw
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06:06<themill>dpkg: welcome back
06:06<dpkg>it's good to be home :)
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06:39<Coldhem>i vant to reconfigure my wireless connection like i did in the installation, how go i promt that guide?
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06:40<jusk>Coldhem: tryed dpkg-reconfigure?
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06:42<Flexy>upgrading from 2.6.17 something to either 2.6.22 or 2.6.23-rc9 results in not getting lirc functioning anymore. lirc 0.8.0 -> lirc 0.8.3cvs has been tested. cvs version is the closest, mode2 sees codes from remote, but vdr does not see them from lircd. what might be the culprit?
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06:51<Coldhem>jusk shall test that
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07:00<Coldhem>I love to make the installation of the wlan drivers by my self not...
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07:04<jusk>coldhem: I also try since this morning to setup my wifi by my side. And it's seem to be a real challenge... do you installed the wireless-tools package?
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07:05<Coldhem>jusk: yes i did, and it did not get any better..
07:05<Coldhem>well i might have the most useless wlan card for linux..
07:05<supernova>hi everyone, i have a problem with ipw3945 on debian etch. may anyone could help me??
07:05<themill>!just ask
07:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
07:06<Coldhem>i have a problem with Wilan
07:06<Coldhem>i have a problem with Wlan
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07:06<supernova>i want to compile 2.6.22 kernel instead of 2.6.18 of default
07:06<supernova>in the 2.6.22 i want to include kolivas patch
07:07<supernova>and for now all ok
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07:07<supernova>but when i try to apply ipw3945 in /usr/src/linux-2.6.22
07:08<supernova>it returns a lot of errors
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07:08<themill>supernova: ipw3945 is already in the 2.6.22 kernel
07:09<supernova>no themill
07:09<Coldhem>Anyone that uses a 3com pcmcia wlan card?
07:10<chealer>themill: it's not
07:10<themill>ugh... my bad... it's scheduled for .24...
07:11<themill>(in the iwl driver for the 4965 too)
07:11<Coldhem>hm. When i installed the wireless tools packade with synaptics, where from can i use it?
07:11<supernova>themill
07:11<azeem>Coldhem: run iwconfig
07:12<supernova>in the 2.6.22 there is support for intel 22xx wlan
07:12<themill>supernova: you're right. Have you got your wireless working at all yet?
07:12<Coldhem>azeem: command not found.. why?
07:12<azeem>Coldhem: /sbin/iwconfig
07:12<supernova>not yet the mill
07:12<supernova>can you help me?
07:12<azeem>Coldhem: it's an admin command, mostly, but you can run it as regular user to get information
07:12<azeem>to change values, you need to be root
07:13<Coldhem>ok i'm in root terminal
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07:13<themill>supernova: is there any reason you want to run 2.6.22 with -ck patches?
07:13<supernova>yes, improved performance!
07:14<supernova>are you thinking that patch make some conflict with ipw?
07:14<themill>supernova: 2.6.22 will give you something over 2.6.18 but the -ck patches are a matter of blind faith not benchmarks...
07:15<supernova>so what are you meaning? i've noticed some improvement!
07:16<supernova>themill, i've compiled 2.6.22 with ck1
07:16<supernova>and all ok
07:17<themill>supernova: something tells me that working wireless is probably better than some performance gains
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07:18<supernova>yes, i agree, but i've tried to patch kernel only with ipw and without Kolivas
07:18<unknown>g'day y'all
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07:18<supernova>and doesn't work at all
07:18<themill>supernova: where is the ipw3945 patch coming from?
07:18<supernova>from the official site!
07:19<supernova>the latest version 1.2.2
07:19<themill>supernova: ok... how about just compiling the module separately rather than patching the kernel to include it?
07:19<unknown>cd /etc/
07:19<unknown>ls
07:20<supernova>are you meaning with module-assistant?
07:20<unknown>shit
07:21<themill>supernova: yes.
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07:22<supernova>themill: when i launch m-a a-i ipw3945
07:22<gsimmons>Coldhem: The last 3com PCMCIA WLAN card I tried required non-free firmware ('atmel-firmware') to be installed. If you're unable to initalise the card's radio, check your syslog.
07:22<supernova>it returns a lot of errors such /usr/src/modules/ipw3945/ipw3945.c:1351: warning: passing argument 2 of 'queue_delayed_work' from incompatible pointer type
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07:24<unknown>sup Eljavo
07:24<unknown>I got it working after all
07:24<supernova>the first time i've recompiled the kernel, everything works fine and the second time i've succesfully applied the CK patch with ipw3945 but when i've rebooted my laptop and selected new kernel, he tolds me something "modules.dep error" that doesnt find the modules
07:24<azeem>supernova: that's a warning, not an error
07:25<Mx|Debian>sup unknown
07:25<themill>supernova: your m-a error would probably imply that the -ck patches change things in ways not compatible with ipw3945
07:25<supernova>/usr/src/modules/ipw3945/ipw3945.c:15463:62: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2
07:25<supernova>now i'm running 2.6.22-ck1
07:25<unknown>now i want to make a USB adapter work, in fact a linksys wusb adapter, does anyone have experience with that?
07:26<unknown>so far ive had a linksys pcmcia and a pci wireless working
07:26<supernova>ok so, i should use another kernel in order to function properly?
07:26<unknown>but not the wusb type
07:26<fancylad>how do i run the initial configuration script for xorg? i've tried "dpkg-reconfigure xorg" but this did nothing.
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07:27<themill>!drxx
07:27<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
07:27<nostalgia>hi debhelper
07:27<nostalgia>i need seriously some help
07:28<nostalgia>i have loaded debian but i am not able ot configure my kopete
07:28<nostalgia>can u helo me
07:28<nostalgia>hello can anybody help me
07:28<nostalgia>i am a newbie in linux
07:28<nostalgia>using debian
07:28<themill>supernova: 2.6.22 works very nicely with ipw3945; the kernel is in etch backports so you don't even need to compile it.
07:28<themill>!tell nostalgia about enter
07:29<nostalgia>what i didnt understand
07:29<themill>nostalgia: can you please actually describe your problem. What are you trying to do? What's not working?
07:29<nostalgia>well
07:29|-|mats_ [~mats@81-233-1-49-no16.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #debian
07:29<nostalgia>i have a yahoo account
07:29<nostalgia>and i use GAIM for yahoo chat
07:29<supernova>themill: i want to tune up .config and running my custom kernel
07:29<nostalgia>with friends
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07:29<unknown>using kopete is easyer to work with then to xplain how to work with
07:30<supernova>i don't want to use precompiled kernel!
07:30<nostalgia>but when i use kopete and press the request cam it throws an error jasper is required
07:30<nostalgia>but when i configure jasper
07:30<nostalgia>it configure but
07:30<themill>!gentoosmite supernover
07:30[~]dpkg spends 7 days recompiling supernover, and when it's all done, supernover runs no faster than previously
07:30<nostalgia>when i make it shows an error
07:30<unknown>when u start it u get question wih what type of service you'd like to start
07:30<nostalgia>dont know
07:30<amphi>!u
07:30<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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07:31<unknown>choose one (msn i assume) you know
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07:31<themill>supernova: there's little to be gained. why?
07:32<nostalgia>so can anybody help me how to configure jasper
07:32<nostalgia>kopete is running fine
07:32<nostalgia>i am using it
07:32<supernova>themill: there is a lot of difference to have a 2MB kernel and a 5MB
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07:32<nostalgia>but with webcam request it show an error
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07:33<themill>supernova: when you have 2GB of memory there isn't. And it's going to get paged to swap anyway.
07:33<Coldhem>I need help with my wireless Lan configuration, oi'm using Debian Etch on my laptop with a 3com pcmcia card
07:34<supernova>themill: how i "clean" everything and recompile a new kernel?
07:34<chealer>nostalgia: which jasper are you talking about?
07:35<nostalgia>well the program for image converter
07:35<supernova>using the optimized .config
07:35<nostalgia>for vewing webcam
07:35<themill>supernova: you can just remove the source from /usr/src and then re-unpack the debian source, bring in your .config and /msg dpkg kp mantra
07:36<supernova>themill: the last thing: yesterday i've succesfully compiled 2.6.22 with ck and ipw
07:37<nostalgia>is there any program or open source software which helps in video chat and voice chat apart from kopete wherein i can use webcam to veiw
07:37<supernova>but when kernel loads it stuck up with: Waiting for root file system
07:37<themill>!waiting for root filesystem
07:37<supernova>(after a lot of error of modules.dep etc..)
07:37<themill>!waiting for root files ystem
07:37<themill>!waiting for root file system
07:37<themill>!waiting for the root filesystem
07:37<dpkg>If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>
07:37<themill>dpkg: stupid bot
07:37<dpkg>no, stupid themill
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07:38<themill>4th time lucky... *sigh*
07:38<themill>supernova: ^^^
07:38<supernova>no, i've already checked hda/sda
07:38<themill>supernova: in grub
07:38<supernova>yes
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07:39<supernova>maybe because i've haven't installed modules
07:39<themill>that's what normally causes the problem. Unless you've "optimised" your .config one step too far :)
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07:39<gsimmons>Coldhem: What specifically do you require help with?
07:39<chealer>nostalgia: then why are you trying to compile it?
07:40<supernova>wait, themill the .config works fine, the only diff is ipw
07:40<supernova>so i'haven't deselected "vital" modules
07:41<nostalgia>well when i use the kopete it runs fine but i am not able to see friends on cam and when i click on request webcam it says it requires jasper but when i dowload jasper and try to compile it throws an error
07:41<themill>supernova: how did you manage to compile it? you said the patches didn't apply and it wouldn't compile earlier....
07:41<chealer>nostalgia: and why don't you simply install it rather than trying to compile it?
07:42<nostalgia>thnaks buddy i think its working
07:42<supernova>yesterday it works!
07:42<supernova>but today not..mmm
07:43<nostalgia>well there were some broken dependicies i think dont know which one but mostly libjasper-dev synaptic manager resolved the broken dependcies
07:43<nostalgia>i hope it should work
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07:44<nostalgia>thanks Chealer for your kinds help
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07:46<nostalgia>well i have some problem to veiw webcast it requires realplayer or windows player so how can i veiw the webcast
07:47<nostalgia>and how to update totem for playing DVD and NSC files
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07:48<mats_> is Compiz out of the question on a Nvidia NV11 (Geforce2 Go) ?
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07:50<gsimmons>Coldhem: No private messages, please. Can you provide the output of "pccardctl ident ; pccardctl status" at a pastebin?
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07:50<gsimmons>!paste
07:50<dpkg>Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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07:53<ra9ftm>Is anybody installed the samba+openldap for use like winNT4 domain?
07:55<padski>ra9ftm: was there ldap in NT4 ?
07:55<ra9ftm>I need only authentification, CAL for file server, postfix auth and remote profiles to be used on winxp domain.
07:55<chealer>dpkg: paste =~ s#Please do not paste anything at all#Do not paste more than 3 lines#
07:55<dpkg>OK, chealer
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07:56<ra9ftm>padski: There is no NT4 or w2k3 domain. I need to start the new one.
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07:57<padski>ra9ftm: what would have been a PDC in NT4 terminology (I think)
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07:59<padski>ra9ftm: you might have a look around for recent samba howtos maybe
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08:01<ra9ftm>padski: ok. yes, I need to start a Domain Controller...
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08:03<padski>ra9ftm: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=samba+pdc+etch&btnG=Search&meta=
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08:10<themill>supernova: btw the stock debian kernels are only 1.3MB so I don't know where you got your 2MB and 5MB from.
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08:13<supernova>themill: i've said 2mb and 5 only for indicating the difference!
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08:13<supernova>themill: please listen to my last question! :-)
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08:15<themill>supernova: your last question was "[13:34] <supernova> themill: how i "clean" everything and recompile a new kernel?" ... which I thought we had sorted.
08:15<supernova>please tell me the best way to have a speedy debian on hp pavilion dv5000 and how to use intel 3945abg (maybe installing an updated kernel!)
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08:15<supernova>thanks ^^^ is my last question lol
08:16<themill>I would be surprised if the stock 2.6.22 kernel isn't good enough for you. Are you currently running etch?
08:16<supernova>yes etch from net-install
08:17<E0x>supernova: http://www.linlap.com/wiki/Configuring+the+ipw3945+driver+for+the+Intel+3945ABG+wireless+controller
08:17<supernova>and the hotkeys doesn't work
08:17<themill>supernova: then if you add the backports.org sources to your sources.list you can pick up 2.6.22 from there.
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08:17<themill>then:
08:17<themill>!ipw3945
08:17<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
08:17<themill>supernova: ^^
08:17<themill>And all will be done.
08:19<themill>!tell supernova about backports.org
08:20<supernova>i'm running a kernel compiled by me, and 'uname -r' doesn't work
08:20<supernova>thank E0x
08:20<azeem>why doesn't it work?
08:21<themill>supernova: ahh.... uname -r should be something like 2.6.22-2-868 if you grab the package from backports.org
08:21<supernova>so should i install 2.6.22 from the sources?
08:21<themill>*686
08:21<themill>supernova: no, just grab the precompiled package from backports.org using aptitude.
08:22<supernova>maybe because i've used "append to version" flag during the compilation
08:22<supernova>themill: 868?
08:24<supernova>ok i try immediately!
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08:26<WildOS>I've managed to really mess up my build environment... it seems gcc4.1.1-21 doesn't work on my system... it's located in /usr/bin/gcc .. I thought I would still have gcc 4.1.1-15 installed, but I can't find it. Is it there, or did it get removed when I installed gcc4.1.1-21?
08:27<jm_>check dpkg logfile
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08:30<chealer>WildOS: do you mean gcc-4.1 4.1.1-21 and gcc-4.1 4.1.1-15?
08:30<WildOS>yes
08:30<jm_>WildOS: what does "does not work" mean?
08:30<chealer>WildOS: then it was removed when you upgraded it, yes.
08:30<themill>WildOS: where was this -21 package from?
08:31<WildOS>gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)
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08:31<themill>ahh... that's actually in the 4:4.1.1-15 debian package. Most confusing.
08:32<neto_>wath
08:32<supernova>themill: i've added backports in sources.list but i can't find ipw3945modules for the 2.6.22
08:32<chealer>WildOS: that's 4.1.1ds2-21, not 4.1.1-21
08:32<supernova>only for 2.6.18
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08:32<WildOS>I was working on a cross compiler, 1 month ago, and has been working on some other projects involving a lot of mixing around with library versions.. now, I cant get my old projevcts to run :(
08:33<themill>supernova: you'll have to go through m-a for them as they're not in backports.
08:34<supernova>m-a returns me a lot of errors such i've writed up ^^
08:34<supernova>during the "make" of ipw
08:35<themill>supernova: boot onto that kernel and install the headers package for the kernel
08:35<supernova>this kernel i'm running
08:35<supernova>because the last doesn't boot (for modules.dep...)
08:36<themill>supernova: you'll also need to get the module source from sid or lenny, I think
08:36<supernova>so? what should i do?
08:36<WildOS>chealer: what does the "lds2" part mean?
08:38<WildOS>ds2
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08:39<chealer>WildOS: it seems to means it's the second revision/third version of the gcc-4.1 4.1.1 upstream tarball.
08:39<chealer>or rather, second *revised* upstream tarball
08:40<chealer>they removed stuff twice
08:40<WildOS>chealer: oh... I wonder how I got that one installed... can't remember installing that one
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08:40<WildOS>What's the easiest way to get my system back to normal?
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08:41<chealer>WildOS: the normal being what? which Debian suite do you use?
08:42<WildOS>chealer: lenny
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08:43<chealer>WildOS: which version of gcc-4.1 do you have?
08:43<TommyGamboni>hi there folks
08:43<WildOS>sorry, I meant etch... That's the current stable, righT?
08:43<chealer>WildOS: yes
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08:44<TommyGamboni>I have a question, is there any backup system that allows me to backup several directories in several cd's according to size?like, I have 3 directorios 2 gb each, can I distribute that across 2 dvd's of 4.7gb automatically?
08:44<WildOS>chealer: dpgg -l gcc returns 4.1.1-15
08:45<WildOS>dpgg = dpkg
08:45<chealer>WildOS: that's your version of gcc, I was asking your version of gcc-4.1
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08:45<WildOS>chealer: 4.1.1-21
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08:46<ra9ftm>Ëþäè, à êòî-íèòü ïðîáîâàë âîò òàêóþ àâòîêîíôèãóðèëêó:
08:46<ra9ftm>http://ebox-platform.com/features
08:46<ra9ftm>ñóäÿ ïî îïèñàíèþ - î÷åíü äàæå íåïëîõî
08:47<ra9ftm>êàê íà äåëå - íåèçâåñòíî =)
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08:47<stew>ra9ftm: english only in here, try #debian-russian if you want to speak russian
08:47<ra9ftm>bla-vla
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08:47<ra9ftm>sorry
08:47<supernova>there aren't any repos. which i can install .deb package?
08:47<WildOS>err...does that mean that everything is actually in order?
08:47<chealer>WildOS: what do you mean by normal?
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08:48<chealer>supernova: what?
08:48<ra9ftm>I'd like to know, is anybody used this auto-configuration utility:
08:48<ra9ftm>http://ebox-platform.com/features
08:49<supernova>i need to install ipw3945 on a 2.6.22
08:49<WildOS>chealer: well, my compiled binaries won't run. And they did 1 month ago.. I am trying to figure out the cause.. I thought that the return value of g++ --version "g++ (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)" was a bit strange... but from what you are telliong me.. this is what to be expected?
08:49<chealer>WildOS: yes
08:50<WildOS>then it must be something else
08:50<WildOS>Thanks
08:50<WildOS>It seems my programs are having trouble with starting threads
08:51<WildOS>bad return values
08:51<kop>supernova: That's a Linux driver?
08:52<supernova>yes
08:53<supernova>ipw3945-1.2.2
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08:58<supernova>for intel wireless
08:58<kop>supernova: See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-customkernel
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08:58<kop>supernova: You may also want to see backports.org to see if there's a kernel already compiled that has what you want.
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08:58<supernova>in backports there are only 2.6.22 unofficial!
08:59<oz__>can anyone help with samba sharing ? i this error http://paste.lisp.org/display/48534
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09:01<Mx|Debian>any of you have Intel Duo 2 Quad Core?
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09:05<kop>supernova: So that's bad? Why?
09:05<supernova>i must use 2.6.22 for audio issues
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09:07<kop>supernova: So you need to follow the above instructions and compile your own kernel. You may need to patch it with the wifi driver you want before compiling.
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09:07<supernova>i've already done it but the kernel doesn't boot for "modules.dep, etc.." errors
09:08<supernova>seems i haven't installed linux-modules after making .deb packages for installing kernel
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09:11<WildOS>chealer: is g++ normally located in /usr/bin?
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09:11<stew>WildOS: yes
09:11<dewa19>help
09:11<WildOS>stew, thanks
09:12<stew>dewa19: if you have a quesiton, just ask it
09:12<dewa19>how to install OPenSSL inside debian
09:12<dewa19>?
09:12<dewa19>can u show me the tutorial pls
09:12<azeem_>dewa19: it usually gets installed along an application which needs it
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09:12<stew>dewa19: what are you trying to do? compile something?
09:12<dewa19>yup
09:12<dewa19>inside a server
09:12<stew>dewa19: what are you trying to compile?
09:13<jusk>dewa19: apt-get install ssl-dev
09:13<kop>supernova: Maybe you didn't configure the kernel with the right modules? Anyhow, tell people here exactly what you did and exactly what the error was and they might be able to help.
09:13<stew>dewa19: "aptitude isntall libssl-dev" will install the devleopment libraries. but much of the time when people are asking this sort of question, they are going about somehting the wrong way
09:13<dewa19>thanks jusk
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09:17<oz__>I can't understand this error with samba... and googling it bring me to dead end results...
09:18<dewa19>jusk: so it's need to be download first?
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09:18<dewa19>where can i get it?
09:18<dewa19>which website?
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09:19<jusk>dewa: apt-get will download it automaticaly if you have configured etc/apt/sources.list to find packages over internet
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09:19<dewa19>thanks
09:20<jusk>if not, you can download .deb package trough the debian website (debian.org), and install this with dpkg
09:20<jusk>but be carreful, if you choose manual install with dpkg: openssl depends on zlib.
09:21<kop>oz__: You could always ask on a samba irc channel. They would know if it's a samba problem or something cups related.
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09:22<oz__>kop, I have found some solution in ubuntu forum, although I use debian...
09:22<kop>jusk: Aptitude is now preferred over apt-get, because it cleans up old dependencies better.
09:22<Coldhem>Wireless configurations in Debian 4.0 etch
09:23<jusk>kop: thanks a lot, i didn't know
09:23<Eulex>/etc/network/interfaces
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09:23<stew>dewa19: you want libssl-dev, not ssl-dev, and you should just need to "aptitude install libssl-dev" if that doesn't work, then something else is wrong, you should definately not need to download a .deb from a website
09:23<Vakio>How can I disable dri and glx in Xorg 7.3? I disable them in xorg.conf, but they're added automatically.
09:24<Vakio>So the log says "(WW) "dri" will not be loaded unless you've specified it to be loaded elsewhere." and "(II) "dri" will be loaded even though the default is to disable it."
09:24<stew>Vakio: which driver are you using?
09:24<Vakio>stew: nv.
09:25<stew>i didn't think nv even supported glx or dri, only nvidia
09:26<jusk>oups, thanks stew to correct my bad package name
09:26<Vakio>stew: at least I'm getting no other errors or warnings in the log.
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09:27<Vakio>Automatically enabling something I've manually disabled sounds very ... Windowsy.
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09:28<stew>Vakio: can you show us your log by putting it into a pastebin? /msg dpkg pastebin
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09:31<Vakio>stew: http://pastebin.ca/723065
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09:32<Vakio>And my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/723066
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09:36<stew>Vakio: i'll bet "glxinfo" would show that neither are actually active
09:36<jthomas>does anyone have suggestions for making my Firefox (fontes) look a bit better in KDE?
09:36<jthomas>fonts, i mean
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09:37<tmoesgen>hello out there
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09:37<tmoesgen>anyone willing to help me fixing a problem with firefox?
09:38<jthomas>what is it?
09:38<tmoesgen>_extremely_ slow startup
09:38<Vakio>stew: something like that: http://pastebin.ca/723072
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09:38<WildOS>Is it possible to change user access on a running process?
09:38<tmoesgen>we straced it and it seems to stop at some point
09:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 339] by debhelper
09:39<tmoesgen>no, to pause
09:39<tmoesgen>sorry
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09:39<tmoesgen>where it just makes_nothing_
09:39<tmoesgen>and it does _not_ wait for io...
09:39<WildOS>I want to start up and use kdevelop as standard user, but change to root when running an application. Is this possible?
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09:40<valdyn>WildOS: no
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09:40<tmoesgen>after a minute or so, the window comes but rendering a tab takes an additionally 30 secs
09:40<valdyn>WildOS: why dont you run that app with sudo ?
09:40<valdyn>!sudo
09:40<dpkg>[sudo] (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (<visudo>)
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09:42<kop>I'm sitting here and my desktop box is making sounds like it's hitting the disk every so often, maybe every 5 to 30 seconds. What's the right way to tell which process is doing this? iostat and, I don't think lsof, help. How about sar (I only remember that it's a pain). What traces io volume back to processes? Anything?
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09:43<valdyn>kop: that is done automagically
09:43<valdyn>kop: what's wrong with it?
09:43<valdyn>kop: and its 5 seconds
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09:43<kop>valdyn: Nothing wrong, but I'd like to be able to know what's going on, just on general principals.
09:44<kop>valdyn: And it's _not_ every 5 seconds. That's what's odd.
09:44<Eulex>kop, what's going on is that ext3 is commiting changes to files every 5s
09:44<Eulex>kop, that is, at the times where there is something to write
09:44<valdyn>kop: you might just not hear each access
09:44<valdyn>kop: + what eulex sais
09:44<valdyn>kop: there's usually something to log depending on what you have running
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09:45<valdyn>kop: what you hear could be the positioning of the rw head, so nada if its already in place
09:45<kop>Ok, but still. Supposing I'm sitting in front of a box with lots of IO and I don't know why. Logs might be a place to start, but that seems very hit or miss.
09:46<chealer>kop: if you ever find something convenient, let me know
09:46<valdyn>kop: there's various ways, but you didn't mentioned any high load, just the usual commits
09:46<kop>valdyn: (OTOH, I can also see the wisdom in wanting the system to run fast, rather than spend it's time keeping stats....)
09:47<valdyn>kop: right, there's no find grained io tracking in linux by default
09:47<kop>valdyn: I usually use a combination of iostats and lsof, but I'm not especially happy with the process.
09:47<kop>valdyn: Is there a sysctl I can turn on?
09:47<valdyn>kop: afaik you need a kernel patch
09:47<valdyn>kop: for fine grained i/o stats
09:48<valdyn>kop: im not sure what you need, just top output and watching %wa and what you mentioned already gets you pretty far
09:49<valdyn>kop: or vmstat 1
09:49<kop>valdyn: Thanks. I guess I'll wait until I've a pressing need and then go from there.
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09:49<WildOS>valdyn: yes sudo works, but then I have to start the executable with sudo in front.. and also enter the password..
09:49<WildOS>I need to start it using KDevelop
09:49<valdyn>WildOS: no you don't have to enter the password
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09:49<valdyn>WildOS: that's a matter of sudo's setup
09:49<kop>valdyn: I like iostats over vmstat for io. It can do a better job of tracking which disk/partition is doing what, which sometimes helps.
09:50<WildOS>valdyn: But I have to start it with sudo in front?
09:50<valdyn>WildOS: giving a program in development root is totally silly
09:50<valdyn>WildOS: why does it need root?
09:50<valdyn>WildOS: yea
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09:51<WildOS>valdyn: it includes API functions that will only run by root
09:51<valdyn>WildOS: umm
09:51<WildOS>valdyn: change of priorities etc
09:51<WildOS>e.g. setting priority -20 on a thread
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09:51<WildOS>process
09:51<WildOS>sorry
09:52<valdyn>WildOS: kdevelop should have ways to prefix program startup with sudo
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09:53<jlbc>salu tt le monde
09:53<oz__>ok, I'm getting somewhere with the sharing of printer.
09:54<valdyn>WildOS: dpkg above explains how to disable password prompt
09:54<jlbc>i speak french please
09:54<jlbc>ok
09:54<valdyn>jlbc: we don't
09:54<valdyn>!fr
09:54<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
09:54<jlbc>ok
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09:55<jlbc>j'ai un pt'i probleme avec la commande su apres l'installation de knoppix sur mon disk pouve vous m'aider
09:56<JasonS>!tell jlbc about fr
09:56<valdyn>jlbc: no perle francais pas ici, mais /jjoin #debian-fr
09:56<jlbc>ok
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09:56<valdyn>now that was some bad french
09:57<JasonS>heh
09:57<WildOS>valdyn, thanks.. I'll try looking some more into KDevelop setup
09:57<chealer>valdyn: non, yu speake franch veri goude
09:58<valdyn>haha
09:58<Vakio>And he was asking about Knoppix...
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09:59<valdyn>#debian -> #debian-fr -> #knoppix -> #knoppix-fr
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10:00<chealer>I suppose there's no #knoppix-fr unless #knoppix grew much
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10:01<Lounge>did he want to install knoppix?
10:01<chealer>Lounge: he already installed it
10:01<Lounge>i had problems with knoppix installed
10:01<Lounge>it was error prone - hard to administrate
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10:02<Coldhem>I need help with my wireless configuration.
10:03<Lounge>knoppix is just better as a live cd, well for me it is
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10:05<WildOS>valdyn: got it =) In KDevelop: entered the absolute path to sudo as the KDE executable, and added the actual built executable as an argument. sweet =)
10:06<Lounge>is there anyway to add sounds to irssi?
10:07<Lounge>for certain events?
10:08<kop>!tell Coldhem -about ask
10:09<Lounge>looking for an irssi guru
10:10<Lounge>oh well
10:10<amphi>irssi.org ?
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10:11<JasonS>Lounge: irssi.org #irssi as well
10:11<Lounge>ok i'll give that a shot
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10:12<maxamillion>Lounge: there is also an #irssi channel on freenode
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10:13<Lounge>was having trouble looking for documentation on sounds or scripting sounds, seems buried
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10:14<Coldhem>kop: i have aquestion
10:14<JasonS>Coldhem: then ask it
10:14<Coldhem>How do i install my 3com wlan card?
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10:19<padski>Coldhem: how far did you get ?
10:21<padski>oops, just hosed down my system :-)
10:22<padski>ls: relocation error: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
10:22<padski>I shall hack my way out with 'echo *' ;-)
10:22<padski>or a boot disk.
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10:29<arcil>hey
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10:30<fibre>hey .. I am trying to install some gpib drivers (with the debian package) and they dont compile with module-assistant auto-install, the log files say there is some errors in the source of the drivers ... anyone (ok, I know about this .. dont make a fuzz) got this to work here?
10:30<fibre>running sid with 2.6.22-k7 kernel
10:32<Coldhem>I have serched in synamptics and not found anything that works.
10:32<fibre>and yes the kernel header file is installed ... though the make script complains about the autogen.h or auto.conf not being there though they are
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10:40<twb>How do I tell X that I want to use the DMZ Black cursor theme rather than the default (DMZ White)?
10:40<twb>I can do it if I have root via update-alternatives, but I don't always have root.
10:41<twb>I can do it in GTK2 apps by adding to my ~/.gtkrc-2.0: gtk-cursor-theme-name = "DMZ-Black"
10:41<twb>...but I run some non-GTK2 apps (e.g. urxvt).
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10:42<oz__>can anyone tell me how to overide the quota limit in Cups webinterface. I try sending jobs but I get this `Quota limit reached.` when trying to print test page
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10:43<Coldhem>Can i install ndiswrapper with Apt-get install NDIS-Wrapper ?
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10:44<Coldhem>And Then how do i user it to install the windows driver to my wlan card?
10:45<ElJavo>oz__ i think that quota limits depends of the server settings
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10:46<ElJavo>is your website who gives that error?
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10:48<supernova>hi
10:48<ElJavo>hi supernova!
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10:49<supernova>i'm trying to recompile 2.6.22 kernel but when i do "make-kpkg"
10:50<supernova>i reiceve: CHK include/linux/version.h
10:50<padski>Coldhem: if you are at the stage of trying to get the right driver driving the card, then it would help to know more exactly what the hardware is. try hwinfo wlan
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10:50<supernova>CHK include/linux/utsrelease.h
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10:50<supernova>make[1]: *** No rule to make target `missing-syscalls'. Stop.
10:51<supernova>i've googled a bit and i've discovered that's causated from a crappy compilation of "missing-syscalls" and anything else..
10:52<nubbun>Someone here had tried to help me regarding setting up a second loopback device. That didn't work out, but I found something else that seems to: the dummy network device. It acts just like the loopback as far as I can tell, and there can be multiple of them. In fact, I don't know why the loopback driver still exists, since dummy does everything it does.
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11:10<supernova>someone could help me??
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11:12<pleb2>!avi
11:12<dpkg>i guess avi is an acronym for Audio Video Interleave, for avi playback, ask me about <mplayer>, <xine>, <w32codecs>
11:13<pleb2>!w32codecs
11:13<dpkg>w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>
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11:13<pleb2>!debian-multimedia
11:13<dpkg>i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>.
11:13<fibre>supernova: sorry, dont know about that specific thing but why not install the debian kernel and load the modules you need?
11:13<fibre>pleb2: please msg him ...
11:13<pleb2><3 sowwy
11:14<fibre>pleb2: no problem
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11:15<supernova>if i can't found any solutions, probably i will install debian kernel from repos.
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11:21<dnanar>hi all !
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11:21<dnanar>i'm on debian sid and i do not success to install libmpich1.0ldbl, is it a known bug please: http://rafb.net/p/yZJUbh49.txt ?
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11:24<makke>dnanar: apt-get remove --purge libmpich1.0c2
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11:25<makke>dnanar: or try
11:25<makke>dpkg --purge libmpich1.0c2
11:25<makke>apt-get -f install
11:25<dnanar>Package libmpich1.0c2 is not installed, so not removed
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11:26<dnanar>but in fact libmpich was a dependency sfftw2. so i removed this package and everything sounds good. but sfftw2 sounds to be unusable on sid
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11:28<oz__>hi again.. trying to print over samba to printer and get this error: Printing to 'MARK' failed with error code: 1286 is the printer paused
11:28<oz__>but the printer is not paused
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11:34<dnanar> /exit
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11:34<smhar>hi friends
11:34<smhar>I have a toshiba satallite notebook with ATI Radeon X1200 graphics controller, X is currently configured with vesa driver, I tried the fglrx one-liner, but nothing changed
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11:34<oz__>smhar, did you run dpkg --rconfigure -xserver-xorg ?
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11:34<exlt>that would be 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
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11:34<oz__>exlt, yeah sorry I type with errors.
11:34<KaiSVK>hi all
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11:34<KaiSVK>I have a problem to start gedit, it automatically start the debug thingy, I am using Lenny, GNome 2.18?
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11:37<Coldhem>How do i use Ndis wrapper?
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11:39<oskie>me wonders how come libc6-dev was removed from his system
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11:39<Coldhem>ndis
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11:40<smhar>oz__, unknow option --rconfigure or --reconfigure
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11:41<oz__>smhar, I'm sorry I mistyped its: 'dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg'
11:42<oz__>smhar, try now
11:43<Coldhem>from where do i start Ndiswreapper when i have installed it?
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11:46<cahoot>Coldhem: personally I don't konw, but you could look in /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper
11:46<Coldhem>Cahoot: ok, can i start it from there?
11:47<cahoot>no you can read about how to use it I suppose
11:47<noflash>you mean this stuff comes with documentation...w0w! ;)
11:49<Coldhem>well i can read about it, but not how to use it after install
11:50<oz__>smhar, ok - should work now : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
11:50<oz__>at list it works on my debian
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11:51<Coldhem>I need help to install the Wlan card via NDISwrapper. someone knows?
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11:53<oz__>Coldhem, which wlan card is it ?
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11:54<cahoot>http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 Coldhem
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11:55<Coldhem>oz__: it's a 3COM 11Mpbs
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11:55<Coldhem>pcmcia
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11:56<oz__>first, check Coldhem answer above. second try googling ndiswarper and your card man
11:57<Coldhem>okay
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12:03<Golfgeo>Hi all
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12:06<Golfgeo>Got a silly question which I didn't have anywhere else to ask: Is Roemia a girl's of boy's name (Can go out on a date, but am not intrested in somthing like a "post-op tranny" and havn't seen a pic yet...)?
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12:06<azeem>Golfgeo: so don't ask it here either, please
12:07<JasonS>*blink*
12:07<Golfgeo>azeem, I know, it's a wierd one, but still, help me out here...
12:08<azeem>Golfgeo: eh, no; your question is off-topic here
12:08<Golfgeo>Like that never happens...
12:08<JasonS>theres off topic then theres what the???
12:08<azeem>argueing about it is off-topic as well, so please drop it
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12:13<Golfgeo>In simple terms, that name isn't Dutch (the local lingo) and the girl's name is Roemia, but that name is suspect...
12:13<Golfgeo>But oke, I'll shut up now...
12:13<azeem>thanks
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12:16<Golfgeo>Nuder!
12:17<Golfgeo>Don't care...
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12:24<fairch>Hi - I need help on a problem with Debian etch and an iBook
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12:27<dkr>fairch: no one can help if you don't say what the problem is
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12:27<fairch>thanks - I didn't know if anyone saw that or not... I'm brand new to this chat thing
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12:27<fairch>I've just installed Debian on an iBook
12:28<fairch>using a network install
12:28<fairch>and everything seemed to go fine, until the first boot.
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12:28<fairch>Now, I get a screen which has a large horizontal line through it
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12:28<fairch>and only the left hand third or so of the screen is visible - the rest is black.
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12:29<fairch>It seems to me that I need some kind of boot option for screen resolution or something,
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12:29<fairch>but I am quite new to Linux and have no idea what to do.
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12:30<EmleyMoor>How do I make a DVD+RW "empty" so that cdbackup will allow me to dump data to it?
12:31<JasonS>fairch: how precise can you be on the error/message?
12:31<fairch>there is no error message!
12:32<fairch>It seems to boot normally - in fact, I can see the left hand edge of the login screen
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12:32<fairch>asking me for my user name. I can type it in, and then the password,
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12:33<fairch>and I then get a screen in which the left hand maybe 25% or so of the desktop screen
12:33<fairch>is visible. I can see the "Computer" icon, and the "home" folder icon, and so on,
12:33<fairch>but the right hand 80% or so of the screen is black.
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12:34<fairch>So, I guess my question is, when I start up the iBook, I get to a prompt "boot:"
12:34<fairch>Is there something I can enter there which would change the start up screen resolution?
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12:35<fairch>Or the screen setting - horizontal refresh rate, or something like that?
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12:37<nox123>hi fairch
12:37<fairch>hi!
12:37<nox123>are u trying to install linux
12:38<nox123>?
12:38<fairch>yes - debian etch onto an iBook
12:38<nox123>ok
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12:39<nox123>so whats the problem .. ?
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12:39<fairch>When I boot up the machine, I get to the screen where I'm asked for my username and password
12:39<nox123>you want to set resolution for installer ( graphical) ?
12:40<nox123>ok
12:40<nox123>then what .. ?
12:40<fairch>and the screen is distorted.
12:40<nox123>distorted means ..
12:40<fairch>There's a horizontal line dividing the screen in half
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12:40<JasonS>nox123: reconfigure x?
12:40<fairch>and two vertical lines dividing it into thirds or so
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12:41<ben_goodger>hello
12:41<fairch>and only the left hand one third or so of the screen is visible
12:41<fairch>the rest is black
12:41<ben_goodger>I am having trouble installing lenny with a USB stick
12:41<ben_goodger>I get a "no kernel modules found" error.
12:41<ben_goodger>it says that this can be worked around using a mirror somehow, and then proudly announces that it can't find my ethernet card
12:42<ben_goodger>which is somewhat circuitously due to the lack of kernel modules...
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12:42<ben_goodger>I'm following http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
12:42<ben_goodger>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en rather...
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12:43<nox123>fairch : this may be due to wrong refresh rate settings
12:43<fairch>right.
12:44<nox123>i hav no idea of ibook
12:44<JasonS>!tell fairch about drxx
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12:45<ben_goodger>can anyone offer some help as to this?
12:45<nox123>fairch: so whats the refresh rate settings in xorg.conf
12:46<ben_goodger>I think I may have an arch discrepency between my boot.img.gz and the netinst iso
12:46<fairch>I don't know how to even access such a thing...
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12:46<ben_goodger>fairch: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf (note capital X11)
12:47<nox123>fairch : you login to a terminal
12:47<nox123>Ctrl + Alt + F1 will give you a terminal login
12:47<fairch>but, how can I get around the "boot:" prompt? and just get to a terminal?
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12:48<panagos>what do i need in order to be able to mount squashfs ?
12:48<ben_goodger>er, that's the installer, no?
12:48<nox123>fairch:so this happens at first boot time ?
12:49<fairch>I turn on the machine, and the screen seems fine -
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12:49<nox123>ben_goodger : which module it tells not found
12:49<nox123>?
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12:49<nox123>fairch : then
12:49<nox123>?
12:49<fairch>I get all kinds of status messages which use the entire screen -
12:49<nox123>ok
12:49<fairch>loading this, checking that..
12:49<nox123>fok
12:49<nox123>ok
12:49<fairch>and then I get to a graphical looking screen
12:49<nox123>fine
12:49<ben_goodger>nox123: it says "cannot find any modules, you probably have a different kernel to this one in your iso, try specifying a different version when you get to the mirror stage"
12:50<fairch>where it's asking me for a username, but I can only see the left hand 25% of the screen!
12:50<fairch>I can see enough to type in my username
12:50<nox123>so at this point you give Ctrl + Alt + F1
12:50<fairch>and password
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12:51<nox123>this will give u a login prompt
12:51<fairch>ok, I've just type in my username and password on the iBook.
12:51<nox123>now you can give the command cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:51<nox123>or
12:52<fairch>I'm waiting for the desktop...
12:52<fairch>aha!
12:52<JasonS>nox123: get the feeling you're talking to yourself? ;-)
12:52<ben_goodger>I am not sure where to _download_ boot.img.gz
12:52<fairch>now I have "iBook login:" as a prompt, with a full text screen.
12:52<ben_goodger>"There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) as well as SYSLINUX and its configuration file" is all very well, but I can't find it anywhere
12:52<nox123>fairch : login now
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12:53<fairch>I just typed in my username and password (again) in the text windows
12:53<fairch>and I now have a prompt mark@iBook:~$
12:53<nox123>fairch : are you getting a prompt now
12:53<nox123>?
12:53<nox123>ok
12:54<nox123>fairch : now type less /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:54<fairch>I just typed in cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf and I got a whole bunch of stuff fly by...
12:54<fairch>now, I'm back to the mark@iBook:~$ prompt
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12:55<nox123>give less /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:55<ben_goodger>does anyone know where to get boot.img.gz from, for the purposes of USB media booting (AMD64)?
12:55<fairch>nox123: I just reissued the command with | more on the end
12:56<fairch>and I can now see that there is a section called Screen
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12:56<nox123>you may look into DefaultDepth entry
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12:56<fairch>the DefaultDepth is set to 24
12:57<nox123>fairch : for 24 what are the display modes
12:57<nox123>?
12:57<chealer_>ben_goodger: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ ?
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12:57<nox123>1024 x 768 ?
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12:57<fairch>the SubSection "Display" has a Depth of 1 and a Modes of "1024x768"
12:57<ben_goodger>chealer: thanks muchly :)
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12:58<nox123>fairch : for 24 depth whats the modes
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12:59<fairch>hello?
12:59<nox123>fairch : yes
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12:59<panagos>what do i need in order to be able to mount squashfs ?
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13:01<nox123>fairch : now pls see the Horiz sync and vertical sync in monitior section
13:01<EmleyMoor>wodim has a -format switch to supposedly force the reformatting of a DVD+RW. It doesn't work. It won't even force formatting of an already formatted DVD+RW.
13:02<EmleyMoor>How am I supposed to do it?
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13:02<fairch>the only thing that is in the Section "Monitor" is Identifier "Color LCD" and
13:02<fairch>Option "DPMS"
13:02<fairch>Under Section "Screen" there is Identifier "Default Screen" and Device
13:03<fairch>"ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x"
13:03<nox123>fairch : HorizSync 30-60
13:03<nox123>fairch : VertRefresh 50-120
13:03<EmleyMoor>Is there a more forcible force than -force for wodim?
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13:03<nox123>fairch : in Monitor section
13:03<fairch>Then, still further under Section "Screen" there is Monitor "Color LCD" and DefaultDepth 24
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13:04<nox123>fairch : may i sent you my xorg.conf
13:04<panagos>is there a way to remotely update my package lists? i mean, update the lists on a system with no internet connection
13:05<chealer>panagos: squashfs modules?
13:05<fairch>I don't see anything anywhere for HorizSync or VertRefresh
13:05<chealer>panagos: yes
13:05<nox123>fairch : you can add it it Monitor section
13:06<fairch>as far as the xorg.conf - sure, I'd be much obliged, although how would I...?
13:06<panagos>chealer: ok, then how? ;D (about the lists updating)
13:06<fairch>how can I add something to the Monitor section?
13:06<nox123>squashfs : mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t squashfs
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13:06<chealer>panagos: which Debian suite do you use?
13:06<panagos>chealer: testing
13:07<panagos>nox123: it seems i'm lacking the appropriate module
13:07<chealer>panagos: which media do you want to use?
13:07<fairch>jasons: I just read your message about reconfiguring.
13:08<panagos>chealer: i have a squashfs image that i want to mount
13:08<chealer>panagos: oh.
13:08<panagos>chealer: indeed :D
13:08<chealer>panagos: then I suppose a simple "update" will work
13:09<panagos>chealer: which brings us to my second question :) all is correlated
13:09<panagos>is there a way to remotely update my package lists? i mean, update the lists on a system with no internet connection
13:11<fairch>nox123: did you just try to send me xorg.conf?
13:11<nox123>fairch : yes i m trying
13:12<fairch>nox123: I just got a pop up saying that my computer had rejected a file.
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13:12<fairch>I went into settings and set the "ignore" to "disable" for 3 minutes.
13:12<nox123>fairch : without asking you ? .. are you using xchat /
13:12<nox123>?
13:12<ben_goodger>chealer: that image produces the same error
13:12<chealer>ben_goodger: oh wait, you said lenny
13:13<ben_goodger>GAAAH
13:13<chealer>ben_goodger: sorry, I was not attentive enough
13:13<ben_goodger>oh well, I ought to have noticed it
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13:14<Rohit>can any1 help me ??
13:14<nox123>rohit : yes
13:14<panagos>chealer: you know, it very frustrating. without an internet connection on my debian system, i have to manually download packages with a web browser, and then i add them to my local ftp archive. but dependency tracking is done in the dark
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13:16<chealer>ben_goodger: seems broken for now
13:17<jthomas>is there an easy way to add the OCI extension to PHP on Debian without installing the Oracle RPM things?
13:17<nox123>fairch : again xorg failed
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13:18<fairch>I told it to accept it...
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13:21<wouterl>I want to use swi-prolog, but it isn't in the latest stable. Should I use the unstable package or the old stable or ... ?
13:22<ben_goodger>"no kernel modules were found" again... gaaah
13:22<panagos>wouterl: better use the testing package
13:22<ben_goodger>I thought the main goal of lenny was not to cock up
13:22<wouterl>panagos, it's not in testing ( http://packages.debian.org/swi-prolog )
13:23<panagos>wouterl: then use the oldstable one
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13:23<Coldhem>how do i uninstall previous driver on my wlan card?
13:24<wouterl>panagos, should i add the oldstable to the apt sources.list or just download the packages?
13:24<panagos>(swi-prolog not in testing? this is weird...)
13:24<nox123>ben-goodger : i think its looking for modules at wrong location
13:24<wouterl>yes, and it's also weird that it isn't in stable ...
13:25<nox123>ben-goodger : this may be problem with exta*name* added with your kernel ..
13:25<ben_goodger>nox123: it tells me where it's looking
13:25<ben_goodger>it gives the full path of the iso
13:25<ben_goodger>exta*name*?
13:25<panagos>wouterl: i would suggest a manual download, or you risk apt degrading your system -- check the dependencies before installing
13:25<nox123>ben_goodger: wats that path
13:25<wouterl>ok, thanks panagos
13:26<panagos>wouterl: if swi-prolog needs older versions of, say, libc6, you probably don't want want to install it ;)
13:26<ben_goodger>$ESOTERIC_MOUNTPOINT_OF_SDD1/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
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13:26<nox123>ben_goodger : compare that path with /lib/modules/`uname -r`
13:26<ben_goodger>er, what
13:26<panagos>wouterl: you're welcome :D
13:27<ben_goodger>it's meant to be loading the kernel off that
13:27<ben_goodger>iso
13:27<ben_goodger>surely..
13:27<ben_goodger>having loaded the kernel in the root directory (vmlinuz.gz etc) it should then load whatever is in the iso
13:28<ben_goodger>which is a "latest" copy of lenny amd64 netinst
13:28<panagos>wouterl: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=swi-prolog
13:28<fairch>nox123: do you show that the file was sent?
13:28<nox123>inside the iso .. in intrd.gz you can check the module directory name and compare with
13:28<frido>Hi, anybody using debian's openvpn in bridge mode with client windows XPsp2 client ? I have problem with speed, it's still 10Mbps :(
13:28<ben_goodger>...the kernel in the root directory is 2.6.18-5-amd64
13:28<ben_goodger>that's not lenny
13:29<nox123>the kernel uname that you are running
13:29<ben_goodger>f****** mirror
13:30<ben_goodger>chealer, help!! that site gives the same boot.img.gz whether I specify etch, lenny or testing
13:31<ElJavo>big problema ! :S
13:31<ben_goodger>as do all the others...
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13:32<ben_goodger>I suppose I could just about stand to install etch-netinst...
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13:33<ben_goodger>it's only a matter of interjecting and telling the thing to install lenny instead when it's networked
13:34<fairch>nox123 and JasonS: Hallejuh and Eureka!
13:34<fairch>oops - I spoke too soon.
13:34<ben_goodger>that's ευρεκα, I believe
13:34<wouterl>panagos, can i use those: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/swi-prolog/ ?
13:35<ben_goodger>I can't do hebrew, I'm afraid
13:35<ben_goodger> /aramaic
13:35<fairch>I now have a beautiful full screen, after running the dpkg, but now the keyboard is all screwed up.
13:35<fairch>I think I know what I did wrong though.
13:35<panagos>wouterl: http://packages.debian.org/swi-prolog
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13:36<panagos>wouterl: when you install manually, packages.debian.org is the better choice, i'd say -- with a web browser
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13:36<Aciid>My cd drive is broken, how can I write Debian Etch installer to a usb stick?
13:36<fairch>nox123 and JasonS: But, now I'm completely screwed!
13:36<Aciid>it says "failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry?"
13:36<Aciid>and this is second cd that ive burned
13:37<fairch>nox123 and JasonS: I choose the macintosh_old keyboard in the dpkg routine,
13:37<fairch>and now when I try to type something, it's completely garbled!
13:37<panagos>wouterl: and if you use, swi-prolog, check out also swi-prolog-xpce!
13:38<fairch>that is to say, I CHOSE the apparently wrong keyboard in the dpkg-reconfigure.
13:38<nox123>you come to terminal and give .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:38<nox123>fairch
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13:39<fairch>but how can I get there? I can't enter my username and password!
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13:39<nox123>try Ctrl+Alt+F1
13:39<JasonS>fairch: ctrl alt f1 to drop to term
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13:41<wouterl>problem with libreadline4, it doesn't exist (anymore)
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13:42<fairch>nox123 and jasons: when I hold down ctrl and alt - I get ))))))))))
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13:43<panagos>wouterl: go to http://packages.debian.org/sarge/swi-prolog and follow the dependencies...
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13:56<robert_>cada vc
13:56<robert_>rosinaha seu fedorento
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14:04<mady>quel qun peut me dire comment installer les plugins de java
14:04<dondelelcaro>!fr
14:04<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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14:13<fairch>hello?
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14:15<Golfgeo>Hi
14:15<Odin>hello
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14:15<Odin>nothing here?
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14:15<Odin>no questions?
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14:16<Odin>no talk?
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14:16<panagos>Odin: none except for yours? ;)
14:16<Odin>hehehe
14:17<panagos>enjoy this moment of prosperity
14:17<Odin>of course
14:18<Odin>how can I verify the performance of my disk?
14:19<Odin>someone?
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14:20<panagos>hdparm
14:21<panagos>Odin: hdparm
14:21<Odin>and of a raid 0
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14:21<Odin>he accept?
14:23<Odin>panagos: and of a raid 0
14:23<Odin>hdparm accept raid
14:23<panagos>Odin: i don't know, but hdparm might do the trick
14:24<panagos>Odin: read the man page
14:25<Odin>yes
14:26<Odin>I would like to compare performance of raid 0 and disk?
14:26<Odin>thanks
14:26<Odin>bye for all
14:26<panagos>all right!
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14:32<CosmicRay>I have a weird problem. Nautilus is showing the icon for one of my filesystems on my desktop. It is mounted from /etc/fstab at boot with the same mount and filesystem options as /usr, /home, etc. But it's showing up on the desktop in nautilus. It's just another partition on the system's hdd, not removable or anything. how can I suppress this?
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14:40<padski>earlier I carelessly installed libc from lenny on etch, which broke. I seem to have that mostly fixed, but I wondering of an easy way to check whether all my installed packages are the etch packages.
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14:45<AHMED>HI EVERY ONE
14:45<qbit_>hi caps!
14:45<qbit_>:D
14:45<AHMED>:) HI
14:46<ameyer>THERE'S NO NEED TO USE CAPS, IT'S LIKE SHOUTING, ONLY ON THE INTERNET
14:46<AHMED>ok man
14:46<zobel>!capslock
14:46<dpkg>i heard capslock is "dumpkeys | sed 's/58 = Caps_Lock/58 = Control/' | loadkeys" turns capslock into control for all vc's. MY REDHAT KEY SEEMS TO BE STUCK
14:47<AHMED>thnk u for the polite way
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14:48<AHMED>i used fedora but had problems
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14:53<AHMED>any one free to talk
14:53<JasonS>AHMED: about fedora?
14:53<AHMED>yes anything
14:53<JasonS>well #fedora would be best for that
14:53<padski>!anyone
14:53<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
14:53<AHMED>no
14:53<AHMED>it didnot read any of my windows partions
14:53<AHMED>partiotions
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14:53<JasonS>AHMED: what didn't? debian or fedora?
14:53<AHMED>fedora
14:53<JasonS>AHMED: then try #fedora
14:54<AHMED>meaning !
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14:54<JasonS>AHMED: /join #fedora to discuss the linux distro fedora
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14:55<AHMED>tried no appropriate answer i gave up i used7.90 beta version
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14:55<JasonS>AHMED: we cant help you with fedora
14:55<AHMED>but it may just the beta issues
14:55<AHMED>ok
14:56<JasonS>AHMED: you can also try a general linux channel perhaps
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14:56<AHMED>what linux distro do u think is the best
14:56<padski>AHMED: is that a trick question ?
14:56<padski>;-)
14:56<AHMED>no no just to settle on one
14:57<Arcalyth>LFS.
14:57<AHMED>i just try no one last than 2days
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14:57<AHMED>lfs dist
14:57<JasonS>AHMED: well seeing as you're in #debian what do you think we're going to suggest
14:57<Aciid>Image is more than thousand words so please help me
14:57<Aciid>http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5774/debianusbwl1.jpg
14:58<AHMED>linux from scratch
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15:00<padski>AHMED: horses for courses
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15:01<Arcalyth>THE BEST DISTRO IS WINDOWS VISTA HOME BASIC
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15:01<AHMED>NOMAN I INSTALLED IT IT WAS ADISASTER
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15:01<dondelelcaro>ugh. stop with the caps, please.
15:03<ElJavo>i have a political question, translators are considered debian developers ?
15:03<dondelelcaro>ElJavo: some are, some are not
15:03<AHMED>sorry forgot caps
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15:04<ElJavo>yes but, can a debian developer be just a web translator ?
15:04<dondelelcaro>ElJavo: in theory, yes
15:04<dondelelcaro>ElJavo: I don't know if there are any who just do translation
15:04<AHMED>linux is the best
15:04<AHMED>i tried pclinuxos
15:04<AHMED>it was great
15:04<AHMED>the graphics all of it
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15:04<ElJavo>ok im just figuring
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15:05<ElJavo>dondelelcaro: thanks
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15:05<D0wnT0Earth>anyoen have any problems booting debian to a i845 board????
15:06<wouterl>Aciid, http://d-i.pascal.at/
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15:06<wouterl>Aciid, it's sarge, but you'll get the point i guess
15:07<dondelelcaro>D0wnT0Earth: if someone is, there will usually be bugs filed and/or messages on google
15:08<dr4gon>hi
15:08<D0wnT0Earth>ty i looked a bit and didnt see anything quite like im having
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15:09<wouterl>Aciid, or better: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
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15:13<dizasta>aloha
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15:15<padski>how can I spot lenny packages installed on my etch ?
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15:16<padski>I built gnash this morning on my G4. upstream says it plays movies and I go told here the same. but it doesn't work on my g4 yet :-(
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15:17<dizasta>what is gnash
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15:18<padski>gnu flash
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15:18<padski>I don't think there is any adobe flash for linux-i386
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15:19<padski>sorry, linux-ppc
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15:24<dizasta>what is the best mailing list manager
15:24<weasel>ever?
15:24<weasel>!best
15:25<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
15:25<dizasta>for debian
15:25<dizasta>obviously in context of being in a "debian" channel
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15:25<padski>dizasta: mailman seems to be popular. but it seems to depend on who you ask :-)
15:25<salman>hello again
15:25<dizasta>is sympa any good?
15:25<weasel>there's enemies-of-carlotta, mailman, sympa...
15:25<padski>dizasta: you could look at popcon
15:26<weasel>I don't like sympa
15:26<dizasta>im having a bitch of a time deciding
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15:26<salman>I have spent several hours googling and experimenting but I still could not get my toshiba satallite ati controller properly configured
15:27<dizasta>!properly configured
15:29<salman>dizasta, I can use the notebook with vesa driver. I downloaded and installed the closed driver from ati site and installed it .. successfully, ie, no errors, when rebooting I still get the same.
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15:31<Supaplex>dizasta: a bitch of a time? what good is a dog in deciding your affairs?
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15:41<dizasta>hahha thats what im wondering
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15:53<NakedApe>Has anyone played around with Xorg 7.3 and AIGLX and got it to work?
15:53<NakedApe>just upgraded xorg and now there is no trace of AIGLX in the log :(
15:54<NakedApe>can't find anything obviously wrong nor any obvious gotchas on the web
15:54<NakedApe>any ideas?
15:54<NakedApe>using unstable, xorg 7.3 and the new nvidia 100.14.19 (IIRC)
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15:57<freezer>hi
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15:58<freezer>for some reasons, hwclock doesnt work
15:58<freezer>although i built rtc support into the kernel, any idea what could be missing?
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16:02<NakedApe>freezer, how does it not work?
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16:03<freezer>select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
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16:04<NakedApe>oh, thought you meant hwclock(1)
16:05<NakedApe>programming with the little b*stard is beyond me :)
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16:08<louis>hello, i am running lenny and i'm having a few problems, firstly, when i try to resize mplayer, the picture stays the same size, when i use a different program, it will resize, but then runs slowly, frame by frame... secondly, i'm having trouble getting my wireless working
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16:16<Requiem>Okay, problem
16:16<Requiem>I have a old hard drive, with data I want to recover, however, the thing was installed as an LVM
16:17<Requiem>how the heck do I mount it?
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16:18<widrone>Requiem: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/commontask.html is a good place to start.
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16:19<widrone>Requiem: You could get lucky and just get away with activating it and mounting, ymmv.
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16:20<Requiem>widrone: tried, it won't let me mount until I tell it what filesystem is being used
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16:26<freezer>hmm...no one has an idea regarding my problem?
16:26<Requiem>says "mount: /dev/hdb3 already mounted or /media/drive2 busy"
16:26<Requiem>freezer: what was it?
16:26<freezer>how to get RTC support for intel chipset?
16:26<freezer>select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out
16:26<freezer>i get this error, just compiled new kernel, with enhanced rtc support
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16:28<chealer>freezer: it didn't work with a stock kernel?
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16:28<freezer>it worked
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16:29<chealer>freezer: #kernel may know better
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16:30<freezer>this channel does not exist
16:30<oigres>what's a good photos viewer ?
16:30<chealer>freezer: it exists at least on freenode?
16:30<chealer>oigres: which X session type do you use?
16:31<freezer>chealer, ya i just joined there :p
16:31<Requiem>wheee!
16:31<Requiem>found it
16:32<oigres>chealer: I use a very non-graphics one: wmaker !
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16:35<amphi>oigres: feh? gqview? gthumb? in order of shared lib dependencies
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16:38<blarson>oigres: There's also pornview (which is just an image viewer).
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16:39<dondelelcaro>feh is pretty much superior to them all, though
16:43<freezer>how to make a .tar.gz archive of a directory including all its subdirs (recursive)?
16:45<lucca>tar czvf dir.tar.gz dir
16:45<lucca>see man tar for the particulars
16:46<freezer>i just looked through --help
16:46<freezer>c and z i found useful
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16:51<st0nedbr>Hello All, i´ve tried to do a load balance with debian using http://www.lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN298
16:52<st0nedbr>but when i do iptables -t nat -L -n i see that just one interface working
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17:03<hachi>I'm looking for how to use the ganglia-monitor and gmetad packages in debian land. I can't find any docs for this stuff
17:03<hachi>anyone done ganglia in debian yet?
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17:04<louis>hello, i am running lenny and i'm having a few problems, firstly, when i try to resize mplayer, the picture stays the same size, when i use a different program, it will resize, but then runs slowly, frame by frame... secondly, i'm having trouble getting my wireless working
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17:05<Myon>you need xvideo support
17:05<louis>package name?
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17:08<Myon>it's an X extension, just to give you a search keyword
17:09<louis>i searched for xvideo
17:09<louis>everything that looked relevant is already installed
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17:10<dli>louis, what video card/driver?
17:10<louis>dli 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
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17:13<dli>louis, try: mplayer -vo xv
17:13<louis>dli, that brings up nothing
17:13<louis>audio only, crashes when you try to seek
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17:14<dli>louis, try: xvinfo
17:15<louis>X-Video Extension version 2.2
17:15<louis>screen #0
17:15<louis> no adaptors present
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17:16<dli>louis, what's in your xorg.conf, do you have i810 driver?
17:16<louis>louis@COMPUTER-01:~$ locate xorg.conf
17:16<louis>/etc/X11/xorg.conf
17:16<louis>/etc/X11/xorg.conf.save
17:16<louis>/usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.gz
17:16<louis>/var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
17:16<louis>/var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.roster
17:16|-|louis kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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17:16<louis>crap, sorry
17:17<dli>!tell louis about paste
17:17<louis>what i810 driver?
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17:17<dli>!tell louis about drxx
17:17<louis>http://paste.debian.net/38652
17:18<chealer>louis: that's juste the list of files which contain xorg.conf in their names, not the content of your xorg.conf
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17:20<louis>oh oops
17:20<louis>ran the wrong part of my commands into the pastebin
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17:21<louis>http://paste.debian.net/38653 here's the correct one
17:22<dli>louis, run drxx, choose i810 (intel)
17:22<louis>ok
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17:25<louis>do i need to restart x afterward?
17:26<chealer>louis: yes
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17:27<louis>thank you, it worked
17:28<louis>now what about my wireless?\
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17:30<chealer>louis: what about your wireless, indeed?
17:31<louis>06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
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17:33<dli>!tell louis about ipw3945
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17:34<louis>wow, you guys have a !tell for everything don't you?
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17:35<louis>do i need to reboot?
17:36<dli>louis, no
17:36<louis>hmm... didn't work then
17:36<dli>louis, lsmod|grep ipw3945
17:36<dli>louis, if not, you should: modprobe ipw3945 disable=0 associated=1
17:37<dli>!tell louis about modconf
17:37<louis>http://paste.debian.net/38654
17:37<dli>louis, /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart
17:38<dli>louis, iwconfig
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17:38<louis>nothing
17:39<louis>lo, eth1 and eth0 all say no wireless extensions
17:40<dizasta>frickin guys fudged my MX recors
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17:41<dli>louis, dmesg
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17:43<louis>http://paste.debian.net/38655
17:45<louis>oh... i got it now
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17:45<louis>the switch was off
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17:48<lupine_85>louis: that happens disturbingly often :p
17:49|-|mode/#debian [+l 303] by debhelper
17:50<louis>lupine_85: yeah tell me about it
17:50[~]louis smacks himself
17:50<louis>alright
17:51<louis>thank you guys very much
17:51<lupine_85>!kill louis
17:51[~]dpkg subjects louis to excruciating pain with a whip
17:51<lupine_85>there you go :)
17:51<louis>lupine_85: thank you, i feel much better now
17:51<lupine_85>good good
17:51<amphi>heh
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18:05<EmleyMoor>Should a DVD+RW appear "empty" if it has been successfully reformatted?
18:06<lupine_85>EmleyMoor: I think so
18:07<EmleyMoor>lupine_85: I hope so. All of mine have gone randomly faulty... I have replaced hardware and the problem is still there. Have some new ones coming tomorrow
18:07<EmleyMoor>Trying to get my backups up to date before Friday
18:08<hachi>anyone use ganglia with debian? the debian packages have no documentation
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18:10<EmleyMoor>My backup cycle is designed to start on Saturday
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18:14<hachi>where can I find the ganglia-webfrontend package?
18:16<EmleyMoor>Are + or - DVD rewritables easier to work with, as a rule?
18:17<hachi>can we please remove the ganglia packages from debian?
18:17<hachi>whoever is maintaining them is a wanker
18:17<hachi>how the heck do you even report a bug against a package that doesn't exist?
18:17<themill>hachi: patches will be greatfully accepted....
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18:18<hachi>surprisingly I can't patch something that DOESN'T EXIST
18:18<ia64>hi guys, I have a non-partioned drive in a 2 hdd working debian system, can I format it and "attach" to be part of my /home directory?
18:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 310] by debhelper
18:19<themill>hachi: so how can the person maintaining them be a wanker if there's nothing to maintain?
18:19<petemc>ia64: sure, you can mount it anywhere
18:19<ia64>petemc - without erasing my current /home ?
18:19<hachi>gmetad suggests the ganglia-webfrontend package
18:19<EmleyMoor>If you want it to actually add to an existing partition, that is more difficult
18:19<hachi>which there is no such package
18:20<EmleyMoor>hachi: Report it against gmetad
18:21<themill>or even better, make the package.
18:21<ia64>EmleyMoor: I don't mind having it on /home/additionaldrive as well
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18:21<petemc>ia64: of course, you can just mkdir foo in your home dir and mount it in /home/user/foo
18:21<EmleyMoor>ia64: That's easy then
18:21<EmleyMoor>Do what petemc said :-)
18:21<hachi>EmleyMoor: it's been missing for over 3 years, I'm removing the packages and installing it manually in /usr/local instead
18:21<EmleyMoor>I have partitions attached 3 dirs deep
18:22<ia64>but I need to format/partion it somehow, no?
18:22<EmleyMoor>ia64: Yes
18:22<petemc>partition it then create a fw on it
18:22<petemc>fs
18:22<themill>hachi: how about you stop complaining and make the packages. #debian-mentors will help you make a good package and get it sponsored into debian. That's how these things work.
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18:23<themill>stoned: wrong network
18:23|-|stoned changed nick to Nyle
18:24<ia64>petemc - I'm guessing partman?
18:24<ia64>(sorry i'm newbie)
18:24<EmleyMoor>cfdisk
18:24<petemc>ia64: i guess, sfdisk or cfdisk work too
18:24<Nyle>themill: thank you :)
18:24<EmleyMoor>(there may be other frontends)
18:24<petemc>Nyle: you're the same person as stoned?
18:24<Nyle>yes sir
18:24<petemc>oh
18:25<Nyle>why?
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18:25<petemc>just curious
18:25<Nyle>:)
18:25<Nyle>I'm not stoned
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18:25<petemc>did i give you shit about fonejacker?
18:25<Bellini>hello
18:26<Bellini>i have an problem
18:26<Nyle>petemc: yes you did
18:26<Bellini>some one may help me
18:26<petemc>Nyle: ah, right - sorry
18:26<Bellini>in download the debian 4.0 r1
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18:26<Nyle>petemc: thank you for the apology. No problem :)
18:26<Bellini>when i´m installing
18:27<Bellini>i have an error when i'm loading the base system to install
18:27<themill>!tell Bellini about enter
18:27<ia64>Emley/petemc - I think I screwed something up, how do I run cfdisk on the 2nd disk?
18:27<Bellini>i download from diferent mirrors
18:27<Bellini>and check the md5 sum and its all right
18:27<petemc>ia64: cfdisk /dev/hdN
18:28<Bellini>themill i dont understand
18:28<petemc>ia64: being sure to replace N appropriately
18:28<ia64>I see to have only /hda and it's not a valid one
18:28<ia64>(using scsi)
18:29<petemc>replace h with s, then
18:29<Bellini>but when i check the disc integrit on the instalation
18:29<petemc>ia64: dmesg|grep sd
18:29<Bellini>it can be done
18:29<Bellini>some one may help me?
18:30<ia64>mm, apparently I did a "write" operation on a logical section on my working patition - did it screw things up you think?
18:30<Bellini>or have one whay to install with out md5 checksum
18:30<Bellini>?
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18:31<petemc>ia64: you cant do low level operations on disk without knowing what you're doing
18:31<petemc>well, you can, but it unlikely to end well
18:31<ia64>:) well how will I learn then
18:32<ia64>at max - a trip to the server farm
18:32<ia64>found the 2nd drive, should I go with primary or logical (remember I have a working, bootable partition already)
18:32<petemc>ia64: look in /etc/fstab to what your current disks are, then look carefully in dmesg to see what your new disk is
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18:34<petemc>ia64: go read up on what the difference is between the two, then decide for yourself
18:34<petemc>its not hard
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18:40<ia64>petemc - I went with logical, hopefully the right decision. is a format neceessary before mounting?
18:41<petemc>i refuse to indulge you any more
18:42<ia64>indulge: v. give in to desire; take unrestrained pleasure in, wallow; yield to, satisfy; pamper, spoil; humor
18:43<Supaplex>in oo impress, how do I apply an inserted graphic to all slides?
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18:54<foug>Nyle, you there>?
18:54<Nyle>yes
18:54<Nyle>somewhat, anyway
18:54<foug>Nyle, after i restarted my computer my computer told me my X was corrupt again ;\
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18:54<Nyle>it possibly couldn't have told you that.
18:55<foug>Nyle, someone said it was because i did it after i installed a new kernel (through auto update) and i neded to redo the kernel?
18:55<Nyle>no
18:55<Nyle>if you install a new kernel, obviously you have to recompile the driver module for nvidia for the new kernel
18:55<foug>hmmm
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18:55<foug>well i had to reinstall debian ;\ i don't know how to switch to a xorg.conf backup
18:55<Nyle>if you have not yet wiped out your older kernel, just boot the older kernel entry from grub
18:56<Nyle>stop reinstalling!
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18:56<foug>ARGH
18:56<Nyle>it is a waste of time
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18:56<foug>lol, it's all i know how to do i'm a noob;\
18:56<Nyle>that time can be spent learning about how to fix the problem, which by doing so you will learn more.
18:56<foug>hmmm
18:57<linxa>hi
18:57<linxa>i would like to find a bcm43xx-fwcutter source list for debian
18:57<Nyle>foug: do you have a current problem you need my help with?
18:57<linxa>somebody help me?
18:57<foug>Nyle, no not atm., but let me know when you have freetime plz
18:57<Nyle>!bcm43xx
18:57<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx, or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>, or #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net
18:58<Nyle>foug: now is good time as any
18:58<foug>Nyle, ahh, well i just got home so i need to poop and eat, but i'll probably need help with the 3d enable process again
18:58<foug>Nyle, don't understand why my x always gets jacked up
18:58<Nyle>linxa: apparantly the etch kernel should support that
18:58<Nyle>foug: because you are avoiding understanding the problem by constantly reinstalling
18:59<Nyle>and it will continue to happen until you begin to understand how this works, which isn't hard, its just time consuming
18:59<foug>Nyle, well, i got irssi and asked for help but on one seemed to be around, so i just reinstalled
18:59<linxa>i cant see the wireless with iwconfig
18:59<Nyle>which is ok too, you have to do what you have to do
18:59<Nyle>anyway, hows the X situation now?
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19:00<Supaplex>does ooimpress do smallcaps? I also get inconsistant styles on shadow text (one page has gray, the next is black)
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19:00<foug>well it's all good, havn't tried enabling direct rendering yet
19:01<Nyle>paste your xorg.conf on pastebin
19:01<foug>it's just the default one from a netinstall
19:01<Supaplex>ahh. (copy slide)++
19:02<Nyle>foug: next time X doesn't work with nvidia drivers, just edit xorg.conf and change driver nvidia to vesa to at least be able to use X
19:02<Nyle>don't reinstall
19:02<Nyle>foug: do what you did last night
19:02<foug>Nyle, allright, so that would be gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, make the edits, then ^S to save? restart X?
19:03<Nyle>not gedit, use nano
19:03<foug>hmm, allright
19:03<lupine_85>well, either can work
19:03<Nyle>nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf edit the file, push f3 to save, f2 to exit
19:03<foug>allright, thanks
19:03<lupine_85>Nyle: you'll need to be root/sudo
19:03<Nyle>its easier, you can't use gedit if your X doesnt' work
19:03<Nyle>lupine_85: that is a given
19:04<Nyle>foug: apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia
19:05<Nyle>it will download bunches of packages and sources etc. just read the onscren stuff and hit y
19:05<foug>allright, let me play some linux mahjong first please ;x
19:05<Nyle>then it will compile the nvidia module for you. Then you simply modprobe nvidia to load it, then you change xorg.conf in the device section change driver to "nvidia", save and startx
19:05<Nyle>hopefully it should work right away
19:06<foug>hmm, allright
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19:07<Nyle>if you are a total noob, then maybe debian isn't for you. You could try Ubuntu instead. Just a thought, though I prefer noobs use debian so that they don't stay noobs
19:07<foug>I just came from ubuntu, used it for about 4-5 months
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19:07<foug>but yes i am willing to learn anything, lol
19:07<Nyle>don't try to learn everything at once
19:07<foug>i tried installing gentoo but ugh, it wouldn't load and it seemed more troublesome
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19:08<uzplayer>hello... got a question regaeding installing Debian on a G3 B/W Mac Tower
19:08<uzplayer>er regarding
19:08<koasdf>hello, i know that this aint right place to ask for this but i tried on #help and similar channels and noone is there so i must ask - Some time ago there was #windows channel on this network to help windows users fix their problems, now its empty. Does anyone know where it went to, like wich network?
19:08<Nyle>!tell uzplayer debianppc
19:08<Nyle>!tell uzplayer about debianppc
19:09<uzplayer>I installed it actually but it gets stuck on bootstrap 2
19:09<foug>has anyone played the gnome mahjong?
19:09<Nyle>uzplayer: #debianppc
19:09<uzplayer>thx
19:09<Nyle>uzplayer: all those guys use macs :)
19:09<uzplayer>well I use PC's but I have a bunch of PowerPC and 68k Macs
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19:10<uzplayer>I figure I gotta use them for something
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19:10<Nyle>and they would know about them. here you may not find them in time
19:11<Nyle>heh, poor guy thinks he is on freenode by connecting to irc.debian.org
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19:15<uzplayer>no one answering there
19:15<kop>uzplayer: You could always just ask.
19:15<wa77ss>any programs in apt-get that can rip dvd's?
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19:16<lupine_85>k9copy does a pretty good job
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19:21<kop>wa77ss: There's dvdbackup.
19:21<kop>wa77ss: BTW, you're better off using aptitude than apt-get.
19:21<uzplayer>I installed Debian on a B/W G3 PPC using the installer. It rebooted and now it gets stuck on booting. Bootstrap2
19:21<kop>wa77ss: And there's always dd, depending on your needs that can be best.
19:21<uzplayer>Just trying to figure out why
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19:29<foug>does anyone have a logitech MX 610?
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19:43<Adailton-Silva>ola
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19:43<Adailton-Silva>blz
19:43<Adailton-Silva>tudo bem
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19:51<wa77ss>thanks kop
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20:02<uzplayer>No one is saying a thing in #debianppc
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20:13<foug>I'm having trouble installing pidgin, i get the error "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"
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20:15<lupine_85>foug: do you have an acceptable C compiler in $PATH ?
20:16<lupine_85>if not, then apt-get install build-essential
20:16<foug>no idea, reading some forum, think i need GCC?
20:16<lupine_85>that would be a good start...
20:16<foug>k so get both?
20:16<lupine_85>build-essential is an excellent end
20:16<lupine_85>since it'll give you a linker and other stuff too
20:17<foug>awesome, build essential made it work :) should i get gcc too?
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20:17<lupine_85>you... just got it
20:18<foug>ok, now it tells me i need "parser perl module"?
20:18<foug>perl-modules? apt-get them?
20:19<lupine_85>I dont have a clue what the package name will be, but yes
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20:19<foug>hmm, it tells me i allready have them
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20:20<exlt>apt-cache search <search_string> - ie apt-cache search parser perl
20:20<lupine_85>or you could apt-file search for <reasonable name>.pm
20:20<exlt>perl modules are usually named lib<base>-<sub>-perl
20:21<moap>#brasil
20:21<foug>exlt, i did the apt-cache search for parser and closest thing related is perl-modules, don't really see any lib files
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20:22<exlt>foug: then it may be in the base perl-modules package ;) that is a pretty standard one
20:23<foug>perl-base?
20:24<foug>why can't pidgin just have a respository to download from ;\ compiling is always a bitch
20:26<foug>libxml-parser-perl, is this the right module?
20:26<lupine_85>it's an xml parser for perl
20:27<lupine_85>install it and find out ;)
20:27<foug>i can't find anything specific for "parser perl module"
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20:27<uzplayer>not finding the answer I need
20:28<foug>libstar-parser-perl?
20:29<lupine_85>I honestly don't know
20:31<chealer>foug: pidgin has a repository you can download from
20:31<foug>how come everytime i open a new window it's always in the top left of my screen and not where i left it when i closed it?
20:32<foug>chealer, what is it? is it safe and lefit?
20:32<foug>legit*
20:32<foug>i need version 2.1.1, there was something about the latest version that i did not like
20:33<chealer>foug: the Debian archive. yes and yes.
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20:36<djtansey>I have a an install question -- I have an old laptop with no CD and a blank HD (my install-from-usb idea failed in the middle of the process, after partitioning drives). I have removed the HD and would like to install from my primary HD onto that HD (now connected to USB.) What is the best way for me to install onto that partially so it can setup the system specific stuff after plugging it back into the old laptop?
20:37<foug>chealer, what is the address for the repo?
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20:37<foug>can i install RPM files through debian? Maybe that's easier than the ./configure junk
20:37<chealer>foug: there are many. each Debian mirrors has its own address.
20:38<lupine_85>foug: if you really need to, then alien
20:38<lupine_85>not exactly recommended though
20:38<foug>k
20:38<miksuh>foug: are you using debian lenny or sid?
20:39<miksuh>pidgin is not in etch
20:39<foug>etch
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20:39<foug>so there's no way to install pidgin with etch?
20:39<miksuh>well as I said podgin is not in etch, haim is
20:39<miksuh>gaim
20:39<chealer>foug: there's a way, yes
20:39<foug>i like pidgin better, it looks better
20:39<foug>chealer, well i'm having trouble with ./configure. Never had so many problems compiling before, even though i am still new to linux
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20:42<exlt>foug: you are trying to build pidgin for etch?
20:42<foug>exlt, i suppose. Just doing the normal ./configure, make then make install
20:47<exlt>foug: i386?
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20:48<djtansey>is there any way to install the installer on an external drive?
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20:49<exlt>foug: I ask because I just pulled the unstable source to build on etch - quite trivial
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20:50<jello>any recommendations for domain registrar?
20:51<exlt>foug: btw, libxml-parser-perl was the right one - it is in the build deps ;)
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20:54<exlt>bleh, except for one other dep that needs to come from unstable..
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20:56<foug>exlt, ok it is indeed the right one. Now it tells me i need the msdfmt command to build libpurple?
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20:59<exlt>foug: here are all the build deps - http://pastebin.org/3969 - if you are building on etch, you will only have libsilc-1.0-2-dev - I am also building that - pidgin is something I wanted to give a whirl, so will have the dep built and install in a few, then to build pidgin
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20:59<exlt>at least those were the deps I was missing - yours may have others, but that is a start
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21:08<exlt>ah, pidgin_2.2.1-1etch1 is building - I would be happy to share..
21:08<exlt>not signed, but oh well..
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21:11<exlt>djtansey: not a drive, but might get you close: http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb
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21:17<djtansey>exlt: if only it were so easy... no boot from USB. i had an old linux install that i used to get grub to boot from USB
21:17<djtansey>but i lost that...
21:17<djtansey>found another usb guide that might help
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21:23<foug> otanjoubi
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21:25<foug>exlt, thanks
21:25<exlt>hm - surprised pidgin is not on backports - wasn't that big of a deal to build
21:25<exlt>one lib dep to build
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21:42<exlt>the apt repository I have is not public, but I threw all the packages I just built up to http://ftp.pbandjelly.org/pub/pidgin_etch/
21:42<foug>exlt, ok i got it working, just kept searching through apt-cache for whatever it told me i needed, Was easier to find this stuff but that parser perl thing was crap lol
21:42<exlt>heh - was just going to tell you the deps and the few packages from above to grab ;)
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21:45<foug>;P
21:45<foug>do you know anything about mouses? I have a logitech MX 610, it has volume and other buttons on it. They worked automatically with Ubuntu so I know they'll work in Debian. Any idea on how i can enable them? Mainly the volume and side buttons, or if I get customize them myself
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21:46<exlt>you'll need to capture the button clicks and feed them to something like setkeys - can't recall the right programs off the top of my head, but it is not too difficult - I just use a plain 'ol MS scrolly mouse (the one thing MS has done right is some hardware...)
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21:47<foug>ahh, i use to use windows and I played a lot of games. Side buttons saved my ass in many situations
21:48<exlt>btw, if anyone is logging and wants to grab the etch pidgin packages I built - I will leave them up for a short time
21:48<exlt>aptitude install libgadu3 libmeanwhile1 libzephyr3
21:48<exlt>dpkg -i libsilc-1.1-2_1.1.3-1etch1_i386.deb
21:48<dpkg>package libsilc-1.1-2_1.1.3-1etch1_i386.deb is already installed
21:49<exlt>and dpkg -i pidgin_2.2.1-1etch1_i386.deb pidgin-data_2.2.1-1etch1_all.deb libpurple0_2.2.1-1etch1_i386.deb
21:49<exlt>the rest are unused by me - not even sure what finch is..
21:50<foug>how can i run an executable?
21:50<foug>not the windows kind
21:50<exlt> either give it the full path to the file, or if in your cwd, ./file
21:51<foug>hmm, ya ./file i get "bash, permission denied" i am root atm too
21:51<exlt>ls -l file
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21:51<foug>k
21:51<foug>i see it
21:51<exlt>what are the permissions?
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21:51<foug>rw-r--r-- ?
21:52<foug>1 user user
21:52<exlt>it's not executable
21:52<exlt>what kind of file is it: file <filename>
21:52<foug>when i ls it just shows the file name no extension
21:53<exlt>extensions are for hair..
21:53<foug>byut in properties, the type is executable, andt he MIME type is application/x-executable
21:53<exlt>properties? what does the command ' file <nameofyourfile> ' tell you
21:54<foug>ELF 32-bit LSB executable?
21:54<exlt>ok.. is this from your build?
21:54<foug>linux gnu/linux 2.6.9
21:55<exlt>what file is it that you are looking at - please post the full path
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21:56<foug>i don't understand. It's just a file my friend is testing for a project, he has to make a game using a certain programming method or something
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21:57<exlt>so... it is something like /home/blah/this/directory/myfile ?
21:57<foug>cd /home/user/file
21:57<exlt>excellent/
21:57<foug>just*
21:58<exlt>it is already in binary form (and you should absolutely *not* run random binaries as root..) btw, the game might be 'rm -rf /*'
21:59<exlt>chmod 755 file
21:59<exlt>then ./file
21:59<exlt>as a normal user - not root
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22:00<patricio>hey guys..........I am trying to install AVG for linux......I am running 2.6.21, is anyone familiar with this kind of installation?......I am getting some failed dependencies.......can anyone assist me?
22:00<foug>floating point exception? lol, i think he is just doing it wrong
22:01<exlt>hard to tell if he didn't program in a debug mode
22:01<exlt>you could try stracing it
22:01<exlt>strace ./file
22:01<exlt>see all the goodies it is calling
22:01<foug>i'm sure he'll figure it out, his project not mine, he sends me junk all the time from his class
22:02<exlt>ask for source, not binaries - you already have build-essential installed, and can compile it yourself ;)
22:02<exlt>then you can also see what he is running
22:02<foug>ahh ok thanks ;D
22:02<exlt>I work in a geek shop - a simple prank sometimes goes awry and hoses boxen..
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22:03<foug>;P
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22:04<patricio>no takers?
22:04<foug>hmm, in pidgin how can i enable my idle/away to keyboard/mouse movement? I remember i needed something like xscreensaver or something, did this in ubuntu once
22:04<brew>What is the best way to find out what packages are installed on my computer, is there a log somewhere I can access?
22:04<brew>Any help appreciated.
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22:05<exlt>leave an open desktop around here, and you get a crontab entry of */15 * * * * killall firefox-bin
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22:06<exlt>brew: dpkg -i | grep ^ii | less
22:06<exlt>sorry
22:06<exlt>dpkg -l
22:06<brew>exit: I thought dpkg -i was to install
22:06<exlt>brew: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | less
22:06<brew>oh nevermind
22:06<brew>ty
22:06<exlt>fat finger..
22:07<exlt>patricio: there are antivirus packages all ready to aptitude/apt-get install
22:07<patricio>exlt: ty......any suggestions?
22:08<exlt>apt-cache search antivirus
22:08<brew>exit: ty, worked great.
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22:09<exlt>clamav and amavisd-new are the major OSS players - don't use them myself, since I have no windows boxes to scan virii for
22:10<foug>my debian is running really choppy, any ideaS? My system monitor doesn't show anything taking up memory or cpu usage
22:10<exlt>but I have used clamav on mail servers many times - amavis a couple times
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22:11<exlt>foug: I would hang a bit longer, but I need to head out
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22:11<kop>foug: Use vmstat to see if it's cpu, io, context switching, interrupts or whatever.
22:12<patricio>exlt: I have installed clamav......how do I run it?
22:13<exlt>one quick monitoring love I have found though.. I run apache on most boxes, and have come to like munin very much ;)
22:14<exlt>patricio: the man pages will be very helpful - 'man clamscan' will get you the notes on scanning files and directories of files
22:14<patricio>exlt: ty
22:15<exlt>short notes are many times helpful - most decent binaries will have a --help flag, 'clamscan --help' might be enough info
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22:23<foug>kop, what numbers are bad when they are high? ID is 79
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22:24<foug>how can i enable idle time reporting through keyboard/mouse movement in pidgin?
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22:28<posix>for all intents and purposes, does deborphan operate the same as aptitude?
22:28<linxa>Hi
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22:29<linxa>when i try to install compiz, i see this problem
22:29<linxa>Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is to be installed
22:29<dizasta>i see dead essays
22:30<linxa>what can i do?
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22:33<blarson>linxa: install a version compiled for the release you are running. Or recompile it yourself.
22:35<linxa>where do i get the release for my version?
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22:36<Supaplex>linxa: cat /etc/release ?
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22:36<linxa>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
22:37<linxa>kernel 2.6.18-5-686
22:37<Supaplex>linxa: oh there's /etc/debian_version to. ps, /topic
22:37<linxa>4.0
22:38<Supaplex>linxa: figure it out? /topic says one thing, and it's similar to what you found. take a guess.
22:38<linxa>i dont understand
22:38<Supaplex>you're running etch
22:38<Supaplex>the topic says 4.0r1 released /msg dpkg etch
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22:39<Supaplex>!+info compiz etch
22:39<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
22:39<dpkg>compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB
22:39<Supaplex>hummm. I didn't know that was in etch.
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22:40<linxa>sorry
22:40<chealer>linxa: you must be trying to install the wrong version
22:40<linxa>wait, please
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22:41<linxa>apt-get -f install compiz-fusion-gnome compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
22:41<Supaplex>we charge extra for that ;)
22:41<chealer>linxa: in your favorite package manager
22:41<linxa>i use adept_manager
22:41<linxa>another option to install packages?
22:42<chealer>linxa: Synaptic is a good alternative to Adept Manager
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22:42<linxa>ok
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22:43<linxa>i am trying with synaptic
22:45<linxa>give few minuts
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22:50<linxa_>the same problem
22:50<linxa_>compiz-core:
22:50<linxa_> Depends: libc6 (>=2.6-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is to be installed
22:50<linxa_> Depends: libxdamage1 (>=1:1.1) but 1:1.0.3-3 is to be installed
22:50<linxa_> Depends: libxml2 (>=2.6.29) but 2.6.27.dfsg-1 is to be installed
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22:51<linxa_>the same problem
22:51<linxa_>compiz-core:
22:51<linxa_> Depends: libc6 (>=2.6-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is to be installed
22:51<linxa_> Depends: libxdamage1 (>=1:1.1) but 1:1.0.3-3 is to be installed
22:51<linxa_> Depends: libxml2 (>=2.6.29) but 2.6.27.dfsg-1 is to be installed
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22:52<linxa_>the same problema
22:52<linxa_>compiz-core:
22:52<linxa_> Depends: libc6 (>=2.6-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is to be installed
22:52<linxa_> Depends: libxdamage1 (>=1:1.1) but 1:1.0.3-3 is to be installed
22:52<linxa_> Depends: libxml2 (>=2.6.29) but 2.6.27.dfsg-1 is to be installed
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22:52<linxa_>the same problrma
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22:53<linxa_>Depends: libart-2.0-2 (>=2.3.18) but 2.3.17-1 is to be installed
22:53<chealer>linxa_: stop that
22:53<linxa_>ok
22:53<chealer>linxa_: which compiz-core version are you trying to install?
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22:54<linxa_>i dont know...
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22:54<linxa_>just, i use apt-get to install that
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22:54<linxa_>i think, itś the lastest version
22:55<chealer>linxa_: "latest" is vague. there's a latest version in each release.
22:55<linxa_>ok
22:55<linxa_>wait
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22:57<linxa_>0.5.2
22:57<linxa_>from http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/snapshot/
22:58<linxa_>0.5.5
22:58<linxa_>http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/snapshot/
22:58<chealer>linxa_: that version is not in etch. it looks like unofficial packages.
22:58<linxa_>help
22:58<linxa_>help me
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22:59<linxa_>where can i find compiz with my debian
22:59<niru>Hi I have a sony PCG-4LBP laptop
22:59<niru>11.1'
22:59<niru>11.1''
22:59<niru>resolution:1366x768
22:59<niru>I dont know why this doesnt work with my Sanyo projector
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23:00<niru>I mean I am unable to use the projector
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23:00<niru>but the same projector works fine with IBM and other laptops
23:00<niru>any thing I need to do or configure
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23:00<niru>In my Xorg.conf file I have added the section
23:00<niru>Section "Monitor"
23:00<niru>for projector and LCD
23:01<niru>Where am i goign wrong
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23:04<chealer>linxa_: in Synaptic
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23:07<niru>any body
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23:22<kgoetz>hi all, i installed libsasl2-modules-ldap, whicn installs the ldap module for sasl2, but wheni run saslpluginviewer it doesnt have ldap listed . i've changed /etc/default/saslathd to 'ldap' from 'pam', and restarted it. anyt clues where to look?
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23:36<dfabulich>question
23:37<dfabulich>I'm trying to upgrade from sarge to etch (I know, behind the times)
23:37<dfabulich>running sudo aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade
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23:39<dfabulich>I'm getting this error message: http://rafb.net/p/Xg70qa36.html
23:39<dfabulich>The key bit appears to be: "Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs"
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23:40<dizasta>i like this
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23:41<dizasta>finally ansi font
23:41<dizasta>ansi font so nice
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23:42<dizasta>i like this
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23:50<kylep>Does anyone know of a good (simple) streaming music server?
23:51<kylep>ls
23:52<kop>kylep: The only one I know of is icecast. Dunno how simple it is.
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23:53<hachi>how do I get a 2.0 series version of thunerbird (icedove) on debian?
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23:53<chealer>hachi: which Debian suite do you use?
23:53<kop>hachi: What version of debian? For etch you might try backports.org.
23:54<hachi>testing/unstable, I pin things in my own ways as necessary
23:54<hachi>I just don't see a version available
23:55<chealer>hachi: you can simply install unstable's icedove
23:55<hachi>I see nothing in unstable, testing is still 1.5.0.12
23:55<kylep>hachi: try using experimental
23:56<chealer>kylep: icedove is not in experimental
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