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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-10-08

---Logopened Mon Oct 08 00:00:00 2007
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00:11<desperate>mm... when using ssh with a different port do I need to set where I am sshing to be on that same port or something/
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00:12<Requiem>um... yes
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00:13<desperate>ohh my bad
00:13<desperate>no wonder :S
00:13<Requiem>both sides need the same port
00:13<desperate>I wasn't connecting
00:13<desperate>"both sides need the same port" that's ghey
00:14<desperate>so how do I specify the other side to use the same port?
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00:16<Requiem>no idea
00:16<desperate>why freenode #debian blocks tor?
00:16<desperate>that's retarded
00:16<desperate>is not cool
00:16<desperate>yeah that's what I am here
00:16<hachi_>you seem to not be aware of just how often tor is abused
00:17<desperate>look not even $u$e channel blocks it
00:17<desperate>is Debian supposed to be all this undergroudn distro and all?
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00:17<hachi_>is #irc supposed to be a right, or a privilege?
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00:17<hachi_>er, IRC, not #irc
00:18<hachi_>I think IRC is a right
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00:19<desperate>anyway is not blocked here so it's alright
00:19<arrrgrrr>thanks to weasel
00:20<desperate>thanks... I personaly dislike ludites and uptight attitudes that more in line with m$$ mentality or corporate in general
00:21<hachi>yes, apparently my distaste for tor is a corporate attitude?
00:21<desperate>*that are more
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00:22<Atomo64>desperate: AFAIR they blocked tor users because of abuse
00:22<Atomo64>desperate: and AFAIR, tor users are allowed to join, but not allowed to talk
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00:23<desperate>mm... what pussies, be a man and deal with it. Gento doesn't block, open$u$e doesn't block!! KUBUNTU doesn't block!!!
00:23<jm_>switch distribution then
00:23<desperate>I mean... that gives and awfully low image
00:23<desperate>jm_: no I am fine here
00:23<hachi>I think desperate is just here to try and make people angry
00:24<desperate>hachi: just wondering
00:24<desperate>I thought they were cool
00:25<hachi>I don't like tor... I see no need for it. I've had my networks attacked by it and the people who run tor exit points don't limit their use in any way
00:25<hachi>so, I block the traffic myself, like any other network that attacks me
00:25<Atomo64>desperate: there's a reason for every action, take it or leave it; but you shouldn't expect that from changing, so, do a favor to yourself and stop worrying about that (otherwise questions like: why do you even want to use tor, will arise)
00:26<Atomo64>anyways, I'm off to bed
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00:26<desperate>mm.. in what sceneraio I am supposed to have ssh 22 attempts?
00:27<desperate>I read on /. everyone having mad attempts on port 22 and I don't see none
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00:31<cahoot>feel left out?
00:32<desperate>yes :-(
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00:37<desperate>well the way they paint it is unremmtting ssh brake ins on port 22 and port scanners and what not..
00:38<desperate>I keep checking /var/log/auth.log and nothing
00:38<desperate>I mean nothing interesting
00:41<Requiem>I think it's mostly targeted at actual servers
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00:42<Requiem>or maybe my router is getting pounded to peices with scanners and I have no idea
00:43<desperate>oh so I am not important so they don't care?
00:43<Requiem>more like you turn your box off, and probably don't have much power
00:43<desperate>mm... then I might set up a servre
00:44<Requiem>get a domain name attatched to it, then you'll probably get some attention
00:44<desperate>he he he...
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00:44<Requiem>setting up a honeypot?
00:45<desperate>just I saw on slashdot article comments about all kinds of attempts and looks like fun to catch'em
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00:45<desperate>Requiem: what does a domain name look like?
00:46<arrrgrrr>u trolling?
00:46<desperate>oh my...
00:46<desperate>no I am not
00:46<Requiem> usually
00:47<desperate>ok domain name something like this ?
00:47<simonrvn>more like
00:47<desperate>oh.. but I am not supposed to buy that?
00:48<Requiem>uh, that one is taken
00:48<Requiem>there are lots for sale still though
00:48<desperate>yeah I know
00:48[~]Requiem ponders n internet saturated with domain names...
00:48<desperate>oh.. so probably all those sladotters have like important companies or something
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00:48<simonrvn>desperate: er, what makes you say that?
00:48<Requiem>most of the ones talking about it were sysadmins, yeah
00:49<Requiem>think one was running a hospital, etc
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00:49<desperate>simonrvn: because they own domain names
00:49<desperate>and maintain servers
00:49[~]arrrgrrr thinks he's trolling
00:50<simonrvn>i have 2 domain names, and i'm just a poor NDN, don't have "important companies" or such. it means fuck all
00:50<Requiem>they cost about 10 dollars a year
00:50<Requiem>you can rent a small virtual server to go with for 30 a month or so
00:50<simonrvn>certainly full of it
00:50<Requiem>though they'll likely take it bad if oyu try a honeypot in one
00:51<hachi>they were ranting earlier about how freenode #debian doesn't allow tor users, and how people who are against tor should just bend over and take it because they are corporate sellouts or something
00:52<simonrvn>*sigh*. cluebies taking about stuff they know fuck all about.
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00:52<hachi>arrrgrrr: 'they' being user desperate
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00:53<desperate>hachi: I was just trying to know the difference between one debian channel and the other
00:53<desperate>that's all
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00:53<hachi>yes, and that's why you used the phrasing 'take it like men'
00:54<hachi>hmm, maybe I'm wrong
00:54<desperate>hachi: I meant that to say stop the annoying ones
00:54<arrrgrrr>lol I'm using tor atm, he might get me banned here too
00:54<desperate>you know like Gentoo channel
00:54<desperate>why doesn't Gentoo ban tor users?
00:54<hachi>arrrgrrr: at least you're not insulting people... slight difference
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00:54<desperate>there must be a way to selectively block the mean ppl
00:54<simonrvn>desperate: people who don't know what they are talking about should be quiet and listen, instead of trying to make themselves look important... maybe they can learn something.
00:55<hachi>desperate: the whole point of tor is anonymization, so... no
00:55<desperate>perhaps #debian is just being lazy and prefer block accross the board
00:55<simonrvn>desperate: how about you *ask* them, instead of making over-generalisations and assumptions?
00:55<hachi>if you had read about what the tor project does and how the system works you would know that ocncept
00:55<desperate>simonrvn: again that too... I don't own a irc channel so I don't know how it works
00:55<desperate>all I can do is ask
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00:56<simonrvn>i'm not repeating myself, and *has nothing to do with 'owning an irc channel', it has to do with using your head*
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00:57<hachi>is 'plonk' the name of a company yet?
00:57<Requiem>I may have to make one
00:57<desperate>ok now I am not allow to be curious and wonder and ask question because I am troll and only do it because I wanna "look important"
00:57<desperate>fine then
00:58<desperate>I STFU
00:58<arrrgrrr>don't act like a baby
00:58<simonrvn>hachi: i believe it's available
00:59<desperate>now I can even say anything because everytime I am like something bad: troll, look important, baby
00:59<Eulex>plonk inc. :D
00:59<desperate>Requiem: is virtual server the only way?
00:59<Requiem>no, just the cheapest
00:59<desperate>mmm... I am used to free stuff
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01:01<Requiem>see if you can find a hacklab, or a college working on security research maybe
01:01<desperate>Requiem: Requiem is dyndns to do it from home?
01:02<Requiem>you mean like
01:02<Requiem>maybe, bind a website to it, see if you can get some visitors
01:02<desperate>like initng for a while had it hosted on a dyndns place
01:03<desperate> --> bind >
01:05<Requiem>shoot, gotta go pay my bills
01:05<desperate>I am bored
01:05<desperate>I am tired of installing programs and so on
01:06<desperate>what's a chanllenging part about linux?
01:06<arrrgrrr>desperate: if you wanna talk about non-debian related stuff, join #moocow
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01:06<desperate>arrrgrrr: are you sure? That channel is empty
01:07<desperate>arrrgrrr: I am just bored
01:07<arrrgrrr>#moocows I mean
01:07<arrrgrrr>it's a social channel for oftc
01:08<desperate>sound like moco in spanish
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01:13<Requiem>That was not nice to the moocows people
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01:17<Requiem>hmm, anybody know of a resource on quality of sound in Linux with various soundcards?
01:17<Requiem>or will it sound right as long as it's supported?
01:18<Eulex>if you're getting distortion, try lowering the volume to ~80%
01:18<Requiem>um, actually looking at buying one
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01:20<Requiem>volume's not even close to 80% anyway
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01:23<Requiem>gah, also need something that'll keep me from having to redo the equalizer every time the song changes
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01:43<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
01:44<home>how do i get to #ubuntu?
01:44<jakeriver>hmm, /j #ubuntu
01:44<home>thank you
01:44<jakeriver>any time
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01:48<desperate>is there a cli shoutcast player?
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01:50<ace>Hi all
01:51<arrrgrrr>hi ace
01:51<ace>how do i search man? i just ran man aptitude, how do i search? i know its ctrl+w in nano but what is it in man?
01:51<arrrgrrr>type "/your keyword"
01:53<ace>whats the equivilant of apt-get build-dep for aptitude?
01:54<jm_>there isn't one in Etch
01:55<ace>i'm using debian sid
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01:59<lubos>this may be stupid question but anyway. .. I need to execute perl script as a root after user logins ( im my case starts startx ) . Is there a way to do it? thanks
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02:04<blarson>lubos: I supose you could put a setuid program in the default startup script for their shell.
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02:04<desperate>is there a cli shoutcast player?
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02:10<lubos>blarson: thanks ... this solutin doeas not work .. I got some error mesages... any other idea? thanks
02:13<jm_>sux/sudo obviously
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02:51[~]gcosmin morning
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03:10<netspirit>Hi! Is there a known issue about Eclipse crash since last updates in Sid please? seems to come from libglib...
03:10<klys_>netspirit: want to explain how to use gdb with eclipse?
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03:11<klys_>we've got plenty of time, you know
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03:12<netspirit>Is that ironical?!
03:13<klys_>irony is a lie.
03:13<netspirit>If so, I don't really understand why...
03:13<klys_>so, are you in?
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03:15<netspirit>I am
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03:15<klys_>good, I just need gcc, gdb, and eclipse, then?
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03:17<nd>netspirit: maybe #443905 ?
03:17<netspirit>klys and java6 jvm
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03:17<dpkg>blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux --, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on, or shit, use java-package
03:18<klys_>I have Version: 0.35; is this ok?
03:18<netspirit>I take a look
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03:20<netspirit>you meen jre?
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03:21<netspirit>nd, sorry didn't see your message, I go and take a look
03:21<klys_>lessee, jre includes jvm or vice-versa?
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03:24<netspirit>my jvm is provided by sun-java6-jre package I guess... which version is 6.03-2
03:25<klys_>This program currently works with the following Java(TM) 2 Runtime: Sun Microsystems(TM) 1.4 and 1.5
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03:26<klys_>with regard to java-package. can I use blackdown java?
03:27<valdyn>klys_: why don't you read the documeantation?
03:27<klys_>the versioning systems conflict
03:28<klys_>I want java 6 I hear, I can only assume this is java2
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03:28<valdyn>klys_: java5 is java 2.0
03:28<klys_>what is java 6 then
03:28<klys_>2.1 ?
03:28<valdyn>klys_: it hardly makes sense to have 2 versioning schemes in parallel
03:29<netspirit>klando, exactly same error with java-5-bin package...
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03:29<flashy>no, but the horse bolted on that a long time ago valdyn
03:29<klys_>I'm hearing about at least 2 and would like it narrowed down
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03:29<netspirit>klando, sorry, message was for klys_
03:29<valdyn>klys_: 6 comes after 5 comes after 1.5
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03:29<klando>netspirit, no pb
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03:34<netspirit>Eclipse used to work with java-6 jvm until last aptitude update... Error message talks about I have to leave now but I will take a deeper look later... Thank you all :)
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03:36<klys_>ok I just installed the jre. is there still someone available who wants to explain the use of gdb with eclipse
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03:36<klys_>if not, I will uninstall the jre probably
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03:38<torrr>I get error when trying to install cvs
03:38<torrr>install: invalid group `src'
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03:40<torrr>Unpacking cvs (from .../cvs_1%3a1.12.13-8_i386.deb)
03:41<gcosmin_>when I plugin my headphone its like noting happened, I can hear my muzic on my speackers but not on my headphones
03:41<gcosmin_>any ideas?
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03:51<torrr>why does it thinks my cvs is group 'src'?
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03:52<Guest1231>hey does anyone know how to set up the talk service
03:52<Guest1231>i want to chat with someone logged into my box
03:54<Guest1231>should i apt-get install inetutils-talk or just talk
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03:55<jm_>torrr: for repository
03:57<yang>Guest1226: aptitude install talk talkd
03:57<Nolt>Hello, where can I find for debian etch libfuse2-2.6
03:57<yang>hello jm_
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03:58<jm_>yang: 'lo
03:58<torrr>jm_, ?
03:59<jm_>torrr: !
03:59<torrr>jm_, I remarked all source references from my sources.list files, but still I get this error
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04:00<jm_>torrr: it's trying to do that for all CVS repositories configured in your debconf database
04:01<torrr>jm_, how can I fix it?
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04:02<jm_>torrr: add group src/remove repositories from debconf database
04:03<Nolt>Guys how can I enable backports packages in synaptic ?
04:03<Nolt>i mean he doesnt see newer packages
04:05<Nolt>example: synaptic see fuse-utils2-2.5 but in backports i have fuse-utils2-2.6 but synapitc dont see this 2nd package
04:05<Nolt>how to fix it ?
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04:08<torrr>jm_, how do I do that?
04:08<jm_>torrr: man groupadd
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04:09<torrr>jm_, this is a system group... You say to add a system group src and remove?
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04:10<jm_>torrr: no, I am saying to do one of the two: 1. add group src (this is better option), or 2. remove CVS repositories from the debconf databases so that postinst will not try to touch them
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04:14<torrr>jm_, OK add src, it installed ok now
04:14<torrr>jm_, It didn't make sense to me that it is a system group that is required
04:16<jm_>torrr: well nvalid group is quite clear, isn't it?
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04:18<torrr>jm_, I thought it was the group of the software like source code or binary
04:19<torrr>the software package group, I mean
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04:38<hollo>hi.. anyone know a great gsm modem which support multiple simcards?
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04:43<defiant>whats the name of that apt updater that sits in the panel in kubuntu? i want to try and install in debian
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04:43<padski>defiant: or you could ask on #ubuntu
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04:44<defiant>padski: i am cuncurrently, but i thought i would make some debian users irate
04:44<themill>defiant: apt-cache show adept-notifier
04:44<themill>defiant: I've never touched an u**ntu box, but I think someone else said here that was what they used...
04:45<defiant>themill: thanks i'll give that a go. i allways forget to update, and APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages does not seem to be working
04:46<themill>defiant: cron-apt works nicely
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04:47<defiant>themill: can you configure to just download packages, without installing?
04:47<dli>what's the gnome package to notice about available updates
04:47<themill>defiant: the default config only downloads the packages, iirc.
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04:48<defiant>themill: cool thanks im downloading now
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05:13<weggli>good eavning
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05:36<weggli>hrhr ina murdock was here
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05:37<jm_>half of debian was here then
05:38[~]CaKo error :p
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05:41<MilanClubMontenegro> FORUM OF AC MILAN FANS !!!!!
05:41<MilanClubMontenegro> FORUM OF AC MILAN FANS !!!!!
05:41<MilanClubMontenegro> FORUM OF AC MILAN FANS !!!!!
05:42<MilanClubMontenegro> FORUM OF AC MILAN FANS !!!!!
05:42<MilanClubMontenegro> FORUM OF AC MILAN FANS !!!!!
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06:13<rvtx>anyone can help me to update debian lenny 2.6.21-2-486 to be able to detect both cpu's?
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06:16<seanius>rvtx: doesn't it by default?
06:20<dli>rvtx, dual core?
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06:21<seanius>a dual core 486?
06:22<jm_>doesn't Lenny have 2.6.22 anyway?
06:22<rvtx>nopes, a dualcore on a 686, atlhon mp 2000+
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06:23<rvtx>i need to recompile kernel, but, there are few erros when doing xconfig
06:23<seanius>maybe just try a different kernel first?
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06:25<seanius>assuming athlon mp's are 32-bit processors (too lazy t o google) maybe the -k7 flavor will work
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06:29<dli>!tell rvtx about xconfig
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06:32<rvtx>i know seanius but ... the prob its, where the hell are the debian kernels? in what repository, thats the problem
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06:33<seanius>rvtx: they're in the default repository
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06:33<seanius>rvtx: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6
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06:34<rvtx>yah damn there full of em, thnx
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06:54<Kebianizao>is there any package providing the /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build link?
06:54<jm_>linux-headers IIRC
06:54<jm_>!tell Kebianizao -about search
06:55<Kebianizao>thanks jm_ lemme check
06:55<russell2343>Yes, that's right.
06:55<Kebianizao>linux-headers-2.6.22-2 installed and make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-686/build:doesn't exist
06:56<Kebianizao>I've already used dpkg and apt searching that's why I'm asking here :)
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06:57<dli>Kebianizao, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname-r)
06:57<jm_>linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686: lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build
06:57<jm_>that's for Etch anyway
06:57<jm_>from apt-file
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06:57<russell2343>Perhaps the symlink was removed. You could try creating it to point to /usr/src/linux-headers-<version>
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06:58<Kebianizao>I'll try with linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686
06:59<jm_>apt-file --regex search 'lib/modules/.*build'
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07:00<jm_>--regexp even
07:00<Kebianizao>linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 did it
07:00<Kebianizao>thanks, but I don't know why it isn't automatically installed :/
07:00<jm_>how come it did'nt 5 minutes ago? :)
07:01<Kebianizao>thanks for you help
07:01<Kebianizao>becuase it wasn't linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686, it was linux-headers-2.6.22-2
07:01<jm_>ahh generic package
07:02<Kebianizao>shouldn't that depend on some generic or maybe even linux-headers?
07:02<dli>Kebianizao, linux-headers is not auto installed :( as other -dev packages
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07:02<dli>Kebianizao, you should use apt-get build-dep
07:02<Kebianizao>I know, but I installed it explicitly
07:03<Kebianizao>umm, I see
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07:03<Kebianizao>I'm expecting that linux-headers installs latest linux headers as well, but it's ok I think I learned the lesson
07:03<Kebianizao>ang thanks to you guys :)
07:03<jm_>let's see - what exactly did you learn?
07:04<Kebianizao>you should have the specfic arch headers package to have make possible to make out of tree modules
07:05<jm_>I hoped you would say 'apt-file++' :)
07:05<Kebianizao>it's not the greatest think I've ever learned but not bad either, also I had the chance to see your fonts :P
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07:05<Kebianizao>jm_: well, I'll start with it (apt-file) so it's even 2 lessons :)
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07:07<Kebianizao>weel, I'm sorry to say that apt-file --regexp search 'lib/modules/.*build' throws no result
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07:08<jm_>did you run apt-file update?
07:08<Kebianizao>errr, no :(
07:08<jm_>ok so lesson #3 - read what dpkg tells you!
07:08<Kebianizao>I'll leave that woring, but since It needs update it's not as comfortable as dpkg -S
07:09<Kebianizao>jm_: ok :S I deserve the telling off
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07:10<Kebianizao>out for lunch, I'll read later
07:10<Kebianizao>thanks again
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07:13<DTE>hi all
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07:13<DTE>i have a problem trying to configure some eth aliases
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07:14<rvtx>re, need help installing/compiling nvidia drivers on 2.6.22-2-k7 #1 SMP, anyone can help?
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07:15<DTE>1i'm tryning to do the same thing as here
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07:15<bzed>!tell rvtx about nvidia_post_etch
07:16<DTE>but i get some problem when heartbeat is switching the virtual ip
07:16<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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07:23<DTE>an ip alias on lo and an ip alias with the same value on eth is it possible?
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07:26<skiter>DTE: is possible, but not work
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07:26<DTE>skiter: in the ultramonkey configuration stays that it should be
07:27<DTE>but when i try to set it up on my server
07:27<DTE>heartbeat is not able to do it
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07:27<seanius>DTE at what step are you having a problem
07:28<DTE>it seems to work, but when heartbeat should move the virtual ip to the other server, there there is the problem
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07:28<DTE>it's not setting it
07:29<DTE>and if i remove the VIP on the lo:0 interface, then it works
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07:31<seanius>i guess the heartbeat logs might provide some clues
07:31<DTE>actually stays that everything went successful
07:32<seanius>so the first lvs thinks it handed off the address to the second, but the second never brought it up?
07:32<seanius>is there anythign in the logs on the second server?
07:33<DTE>i don't think because i turn it off
07:33<DTE>but i can see
07:33<seanius>i assume you've set up sysctl and /etc/network/interfaces (for lo:0 anyway) just the same on the second machine
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07:34<DTE>yes....exactly the same
07:34<DTE>and the problem is in both ways
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07:35<DTE>if i set the ip addr manually on eth it works...but it's not the same as with heartbeat
07:36<DTE>heartbeat assign a secondary ip
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07:37<alaya>heartbeat does gratuitous arping for IP takeover
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07:38<DTE>i saw it send arp messages...but not ip alias is set
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07:38<alaya>and yes, as he said above, the ha.log is a valuable tool
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07:39<DTE>i should have all logs to syslog
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07:51<DTE>this is all the log...i don't see nothing errors
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07:56<DTE>in the ultramonkey page stays that lo:0 is lost on the master machine...i don't understand how
07:57<nplus>I tried to install Debian Testing (CD1 from yesterday) but it can't find my ethernet controller - Realtek 8201
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08:05<jewmangroup>I am thinking of permanently using Debian instead of dual-booting with windows
08:06<jewmangroup>Except, I have not been able to install the ATI Radeon x1600 drivers
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08:07<alaya>!tell jewmangroup about fglrx
08:07<jewmangroup>alaya: Thx, I wish I would have come here a long time ago
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08:09<alaya>jewmangroup: module-assistant is useful for a lot of devices which require proprietary firmware
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08:10<jewmangroup>I'm not sure which version of debian I am using
08:12<alaya>look in /etc/apt/sources.list
08:12<DTE>or cxat /etc/issue
08:13<jewmangroup>should I be root while installing the driver?
08:13<alaya>or lsb_release -a
08:14<alaya>jewmangroup: yes, or run it via sudo
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08:16<DTE>lsb_release i didn't know
08:16<jewmangroup>is installing the driver really this easy? wow
08:16<jewmangroup>I just have to reconfigure X
08:16<jewmangroup>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
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08:16<alaya>!tell jewmangroup about drxx
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08:17<jewmangroup>I was just making sure I remembered the command :) I'm going to shut down and reconfigure X, so brb
08:17<alaya>just be sure to select fglrx for the driver
08:18<jewmangroup>ok, thanks
08:18<alaya>and not select framebuffer driver either
08:18<jewmangroup>anything else I should be aware of?
08:18<alaya>pci identifier and vram you can leave blank or default value
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08:23<jewmangroup>The driver is sucessfully installed, because now the ATI control center works
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08:23<alaya>glxinfo |grep -i direct should show yes
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08:24<jewmangroup>bash: glxinfo: command not found
08:24<alaya>install mesa-utils
08:25<jewmangroup>Command works, but now I get "Error: unable to open display (null)"
08:25<stew>jewmangroup: don't run it as root
08:25<alaya>but hmm, you should have installed xserver-xorg which depends on it
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08:26<jewmangroup>direct rendering: No
08:26<matthewpoer>Does anyone here use Tex/LaTex for school reports (preferably MLA-formatted ones?)
08:26<stew>alaya: xserver-xorg doesn't depend on mesa-utils
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08:26<stew>alaya: xbase-clients suggests it
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08:27<jewmangroup>Maybe there was some sort of "dri" option in the config that I didn't see
08:27<alaya>stew: according to apt-cache showpkg xbase-clients depends on mesa-utils, which itself depends on xserver-xorg
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08:28<alaya>stew: or maybe i"m misreading the reverse-depends info...
08:28<alaya>(there's no reverse-suggests section...)
08:28<jewmangroup>could the option "Mode" in the section "DRI" in xorg.conf be what is causing problems?
08:29<stew>alaya: its only suggests, apt-cache show xbase-clients
08:29<alaya>jewmangroup: when reconfiguring X did you select the dri module?
08:29<jewmangroup>I don't remember
08:30<alaya>jewmangroup: look in the xorg log
08:30<alaya>jewmangroup: basically when it asks what modules to enable, select them all
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08:31<jewmangroup>I just read through the Xorg.log, and I dont see anything that said the dri module was loaded
08:31<jewmangroup>so I'll reconfig again
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08:32<alaya>thank you for the info stew
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08:36<jewmangroup>I enabled every single module, but Direct Rendering still wont work
08:36<jewmangroup>I did enable it though
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08:36<alaya>ggrep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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08:37<jewmangroup>it says "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." when I put in that glxinfo command
08:37<lupine>then you're totally missing DRI
08:38<alaya>libgl1-mesa-dri ?
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08:39<jewmangroup>I just tried apt-get, and it says "libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version."
08:39<dpkg>dri is, like, Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok
08:39<lupine>but basically, you should have Load "dri" in xorg.conf
08:39<lupine>and if it fails to load, Xorg.0.log will tell you why
08:40<lupine>(not all cards support dri, of course - but all modern ones with full drivers do)
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08:42<kurumin>Freebsd 7.0
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08:42<jewmangroup>I don't want to post a whole bunch of lines here, so I put up part of the log here:
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08:49<jthomas>what are the Debian names for 'raid-tools' ?
08:49<dli>jthomas, mdadm
08:49<jewmangroup>my video card does not support DRI
08:49<jewmangroup>Cards below this point have no acceleration support
08:49<jewmangroup>and below that point is my card
08:50<jthomas>no others? i cannot even find mdadm in Synaptic
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08:50<dli>jewmangroup, what card?
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08:51<dli>!tell jewmangroup about fglrx
08:51<jewmangroup>But I can't get direct rendering
08:51<jewmangroup>I already installed the fglrx drivers
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08:51<dli>jewmangroup, glxinfo|grep -i direct
08:53<jewmangroup>whatever, I don't really need direct rendering anyway
08:53<jewmangroup>My computer is horrible anyway
08:53<jewmangroup>I am going to build a new one, specifically for linux
08:54<amphi>jewmangroup: what card is it/
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08:54<SNow>hello, anybody here
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08:54<amphi>jewmangroup: you need fglrx for that AFAIK
08:55<jewmangroup>i already have fglrx installed though
08:55<SNow>i would like to ask you how could I run 2 apache's with severall configuration on debian?
08:55<nowhere_man>I think the easiest way is with chroots
08:55<amphi>jewmangroup: I can't tell you more, because my old radeon is supported by the xorg radeon driver (and has no ati support at all ;)
08:55<dli>jewmangroup, since you didn't paste debug info, my wild guess: "modprobe fglrx" and restart x
08:55<SNow>could'nt I make just apache2-second
08:55<SNow>on /etc/init.d
08:56<SNow>and redirect to another cfg?
08:56<jewmangroup>"FATAL: Module fglrx not found."
08:56<dli>jewmangroup, then, you have to install fglrx
08:56<nowhere_man>SNow: it may be actually harder to maintain
08:56<jewmangroup>but I am pretty sure I installed fglrx
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08:56<nowhere_man>and very error-prone
08:57<nowhere_man>as well as insecure
08:57<SNow>i had gentoo, so I just cp apache2 to apache2-second
08:57<SNow>in /etc/init.d
08:57<SNow>and then made the configs
08:57<SNow>apache2.conf and apache2-second.conf
08:57<SNow>and that was all
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08:58<themill>SNow: you can do that, but you'll have a dog's breakfast of a config to maintain and debian packages won't be able to auto-configure things like phpmyadmin etc for you. It's you're choice, but I wouldn't recommend that.
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08:59<dli>jewmangroup, I try to figure out your confusiong here. you have to reinstall fglrx, if your kernel changed
08:59<jewmangroup>I forgot to setup the fglrx module
08:59<jewmangroup>the old X config should still work, but I have to restart X
08:59<jagerman>Hurray, an advantage of Gentoo: it doesn't configure anything for you at all, so everything is equally difficult to set up. :)
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08:59<SNow>themill: what would you recommend then?
08:59<jewmangroup>brb, gotta restart X
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09:00<EmleyMoor>I am getting lots of random errors writing to DVD+RWs. It is a new drive on a new controller with new media. Could it be the wiring, or maybe even an inadequate PSU?
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09:01<themill>SNow: using the debian way of configuring apache. It's very clean and very easy to maintain. Global settings go into conf.d/ and vhost settings go into sites-available/. You use a2enmod and a2ensite to enable modules and sites.
09:01<themill>SNow: There is some pain for you in changing your config to this format, but the time is repaid quite quickly.
09:02<SNow>you see, I need seperate
09:02<SNow>apache2 workers
09:02<SNow>on seperate ports
09:02<dennis_>Guys, i'n have a nice 3,0 ghz everthing works even 3d desktop. But i got no sounds what drives me crazy. i want to test some 3d linuz games but without sound i have to go back to windblows. If i'm correct my soundcard uses this
09:02<SNow>because I have website
09:02<SNow>2710 port is flooded hardly by bots
09:02<SNow>which updates the software
09:03<SNow>and other users if are on the same pool cannot browse normally
09:03<SNow>so when i had gentoo
09:03<SNow>i made 2 apaches
09:03<SNow>and then the users on :80 port had no lag and could browse without interruption
09:04<seanius>dpkg: tell dennis_ about alsaconf
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09:04<EmleyMoor>The DVD writing errors I am getting are random - never twice-in-a-row the same place, on the same DVD
09:04<themill>!tell SNow about enter
09:04<SNow>ok ok
09:05<seanius>dpkg: tell dennis_ about alsa-checklist
09:05<EmleyMoor>Do I possibly need new IDE cables?
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09:12<kop>EmleyMoor: I wouldn't hurt. I've had bad cables before. Also, be sure to check that your drives are jumpred for master (slave). Don't use cable select.
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09:12<dennis_>seanius still nothing, alsaconf installed okay, my user is in audio, but still no sound
09:12<dennis_>seanius brb
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09:13<EmleyMoor>kop: Is CS really that bad?
09:13<kop>EmleyMoor: You may also have a bad batch of writable dvds. Possibly.
09:13<EmleyMoor>kop: Two bad batches on which the badness is random? I doubt it
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09:13<kop>EmleyMoor: In my experience CS only mostly works.
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09:14<EmleyMoor>I know it was bad in the old days due to the loose end if there was no slave...
09:14<kop>EmleyMoor: I'm set in my ways. :)
09:14<fliguy>Whenever I try to open an OpenOffice app it freezes at the splash screen. sometimes rebooting will help but i don't know where to start troubleshooting this. Any advice?
09:14<EmleyMoor>kop: Indeed
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09:15<EmleyMoor>I will recable anyway and see whether it makes a difference
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09:15<fliguy>btw, the only way to make it go away is force quit
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09:15<kop>fliguy: You might run 'vmstat 5' and see if you're swapping.
09:15<EmleyMoor>I will recable anyway and see whether it makes a difference
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09:16<kop>EmleyMoor: Sometimes just re-seating everything, plowing the dust out, etc...
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09:16<EmleyMoor>The randomness, bearing in mind this is the second drive I have tried, and a new controller, suggests cables
09:16<kop>EmleyMoor: yes.
09:17<kop>EmleyMoor: Especially if they are ribbon and kinked.
09:17<EmleyMoor>I needed the new controller anyway
09:17<EmleyMoor>kop: Are the rounded cables better?
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09:17<kop>EmleyMoor: Dunno. They don't kink so easily and allow for better air flow so you don't get overheating. Otherwise, dunno.
09:18<fliguy>kop, not sure if i'm reading this right but under the swap column, it's usually 0 for si and so. every once in a while it'll be 5 or 6. not sure what it means though.
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09:18<kop>fliguy: That's when you're trying to start OOo?
09:19<kop>fliguy: That means you're not swapping. You don't really want to swap because the system then can get 100s of times slower.
09:20<fliguy>kop, i tried it while opening OOo but there is still little to no swapping
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09:21<kop>fliguy: Swapping out or in is sometimes ok, that's what swap is for. But doing both is thrashing and means you need more ram. Sounds like you're ok with ram. What does 'top' say when you start OOo? The OOo app should be using lots of cpu, (or vmstat should show lots of disk io).
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09:22<kop>fliguy: In other words OOo should be doing something. If it's not then the app is locking up for some reason.
09:23<kop>EmleyMoor: I had trouble with overheating once on a cd burner. The heat made it flakey.
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09:23<dannythm>hello there
09:24<EmleyMoor>Hmmm - unless I have two affected the same way, it seems unlikely - but I haven't ruled it out
09:24<kop>!tell dannythm -about ask
09:24<dannythm>I have a new PC witha Mobo gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 with a Realitek gigabit controler
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09:25<kop>dannythm: And?
09:25<dannythm>I have searched a lot but I cannot find any driver for my network card, and I wanted to ask if someone knows anything that can be done about that
09:25<lupine_nx>if it's brand-spanking new and unsupported, not really
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09:26<lupine_nx>well, except for writing one yourself (haha)
09:26<dannythm>ina few years I will do, but now I cant
09:26<lupine_nx>most network cards tend to be fairly well-supported though
09:26<dannythm>so just waiting for somebody to make it compatible right?
09:26<dennis_>Guys i tried the google topics but still i got no sound can somebody help me?
09:27<lupine_nx>dannythm: you might try the latest kernel, see if support has been added
09:27<kop>dannythm: You could try newer kernels at, or recompile the lastest from with the kernel-package package, but in your case I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope.
09:28<dannythm>kop: I've tryed installing today's daily release and nothing...
09:28<EmleyMoor>dannythm: Did you say it was a Realtek?
09:28<dannythm>EmleyMoor: yes
09:29<kop>dannythm: Ah, you mis-spelled it.
09:29<fliguy>kop. checked top while opening OOo but the only activity is from other processes i know about like Xorg and vmware
09:29<EmleyMoor>Is it compatible with the 8168 or 8111 by any chance?
09:29<dannythm>kop: ah, lol
09:29<dannythm>EmleyMoor: it's Realtek RTL8168/8111 so i think it is
09:30<lupine_nx>it's totally supported then
09:30<EmleyMoor>Searched for that on Google?
09:30<dannythm>yes, but I cannot find anything
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09:31<dannythm>when I try to do the netinstall it always tell me that my network card is not supported, even with todays daily release
09:31<kop>fliguy: Then either it's trying to open a file and blocking because it can't or there's some bug.
09:31<EmleyMoor>I've not done much with Realtek - and certainly not with gigabit cards
09:32<kop>fliguy: You might try using lsof on the OOo process and see what it's got open.... Dunno.
09:32<lupine_nx>it's possible it's supported in the mainstream kernel, but not the installer kernel
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09:32<dannythm>lupine_nx: so I should download a dvd and after installing it try to configure it?
09:32<kop>dannythm: I had a problem like that. You having trouble installing?
09:33<lupine_nx>dannythm: it's got to be worth a try
09:33<dannythm>kop: as I'm trying the netinstall I cannot configure the network card and download the packages
09:33<EmleyMoor>dannythm: You need to do a full base install from physical media by the sound of it
09:34<kop>dannythm: I installed a minimual system from cd (disk1), then used a livecd to download a .deb of a newer kernel from, then used aptitude to do the rest of the install.
09:34<EmleyMoor>And yes, then bring a kernel over like kop said
09:35<kop>dannythm: (rebooted and installed the newer kernel, then added packages.)
09:35<dannythm>hmm sound's like a good evening of fun
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09:36<fliguy>kop, I just checked my processes and noticed there are a load of soffice and soffice.bin running. most of which appear to be from my opening "Writer"
09:36<kop>fliguy: That makes sense, so it's still running. OOo is wierd that way, you can only start it once. Then you have to open new windows.
09:37<dannythm>kop: I get I should try testing
09:37<kop>fliguy: At least that was my experience a while ago.
09:38<kop>dannythm: I'm a stable sorta guy myself. I used a debian-live testing cd to download the newer kernel from That way I could tell if a newer debian kernel would make it work -- without having to finish and _then_ try.
09:38<kop>dannythm: Anyhow, I wanted stable and went to the extra trouble.
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09:40<kop>fliguy: All those processes might be waiting for you to close the original OOo process, then they'll start.
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09:40<dannythm>kop: I'm gonna try downloading the minimal cd of this wee's release and let's see what it comes from it =)
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09:41<kop>dannythm: (But I eventually needed the latest experimental kernel for sid. Wierd stuff where using the ps2 port would break the nic.)
09:42<fliguy>kop, i don't have any other OOo app running, at least not from my perspective. I guess it probably all started when one didn't close out all the way
09:42<kop>fliguy: Try killing them and starting over.
09:44<dannythm>well dudes, thanx for everything, I hope this works, if I have more problems I'll come to ask again =)
09:46<fliguy>kop, tried that, didn't work. even ran "lsof | grep open" and it returned nothing
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09:48<fliguy>kop, let me rephrase. I killed all the processes and ran " lsof | grep open" & and "ps -e | grep soffice*" to make sure it was closed. then I tried to reopen write. and it still froze
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09:49<kop>fliguy: Are there then soffice processes still hanging around?
09:50<kop>fliguy: (From you trying to start ooo?)
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09:51<kop>fliguy: Sounds suspiciously like there's a lockfile somewhere that tells OOo that another process is running and it shouldn't start. But I'm not sure what the next step is now.... Google?
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09:52<kop>fliguy: Are you running stable?
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09:52<kop>fliguy: And I could be wrong, it could just be broken.
09:53<medhamsh>hi need help regarding drupal CMS
09:53<kop>fliguy: I know, try starting it from the command line. See if it does not tell you something. Maybe there's a command line option for more verbosity.
09:53<kop>!tell medhamsh -about ask
09:54<medhamsh>i have removed the user login module.
09:54<medhamsh> how to login as admin in drupal 5
09:54<fliguy>kop: ok give me a sec. i have to find the executable
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09:55<scimmiapazza>hi to all
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09:56<kop>medhamsh: Dunno. If you get no response after a while you could try asking again later. Or you could try looking for the drupal irc channel.
09:56<kop>!tell scimmiapazza -about ask
09:57<gsimmons_>medhamsh: Does result in a login page?
09:58<medhamsh>hi kop. i have a problem with drupal5. i am using debian etch. i removed the user login module from drupal front page. now i am unable to login myself as admin
09:58<scimmiapazza>I installed ati drivers..but when I run fglrxinfo.. I've this error.. "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server. | Xlib: No protocol specified| Error: unable to open display :0"
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09:59<medhamsh>gsimmons, i am trying it..
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10:00<kop>scimmiapazza: Are you trying to run it as root? You need to be you (and you need X running). That's what the error tells me.
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10:00<gsimmons_>medhamsh: The hostname and username would obviously need to be changed in my example. Should work for Drupal 4.7.x, at least.
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10:00<scimmiapazza><kop> Yes a was root :S Thank you! :D
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10:01<kop>scimmiapazza: Good, because that exhausted everything I know. :)
10:02<scimmiapazza>I've another problem.. I boot with acpi=off. when the system boots..I've two error with something about acpi modules of kernel.. Should I care about it or not?
10:02<medhamsh>gsimmons that is getting failed..
10:03<medhamsh>dont i have another way?
10:03<kop>scimmiapazza: My _guess_ is that it's only telling you it can't do acpi. If you don't need power management then I wouldn't worry about it.
10:03<gsimmons_>medhamsh: I've no idea. Try asking in #drupal-support on freenode.
10:03<medhamsh>editing any file manually?
10:03<medhamsh>any ideas please
10:04<medhamsh>no one is there in the drupal-support..
10:04<kop>scimmiapazza: If you're really worried get the messages from dmesg or /var/log/messages and ask about them here.
10:04<gsimmons_>medhamsh: Wrong IRC network. You're on OFTC, you'd want freenode.
10:04<kop>!tell scimmiapazza -about paste
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10:05<scimmiapazza><kop> Can you explain in 2 worksd what exactly is acpi? I read that I must use that comand for use linux on this laptop..but I don't know what is that XD (pastebin was down)
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10:05<kop>scimmiapazza: It extends battery life.
10:06<kop>scimmiapazza: For more see wikipedia.
10:07<scimmiapazza><kop> Uh :S Isn't there a method for use that? with gentoo I used nohpet..but I tryed with debian and it doesn't work..
10:08<kop>scimmiapazza: Better ask the channel about specifics. I don't know much about acpi.
10:08<EmleyMoor>I don't actively do much with it - I use it to monitor my battery though
10:08<scimmiapazza><kop> ok. Thankyou very much! =)
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10:11<tomas>hi, what is the problem I get in apache2 error log "error reading headers" ?
10:11<tomas>why is that?
10:12<fliguy>kop: I'm having no luck. I think i figured all ooo apps are called from soffice -app but i can't get it to work
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10:18<kop>fliguy: I typed "soffice" and it started a blank window....
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10:19<kop>fliguy: Turns out soffice is a soft link to a shell script. You might try reading that for tips on how to invoike it.
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10:20<fliguy>kop: ok. thanx of all ur help
10:20<kop>fliguy: Are you running stable? If not check the bug reports, or file one.
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10:20<pr0t0c0l>can someone assist me with a problem?
10:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
10:21<pr0t0c0l>OpenOffice is running EXTREMELY slow for some reason.
10:21<fliguy>kop: yes i'm running stable. 40r0
10:22<kop>fliguy: You might do an aptitude update; aptitude upgrade then.
10:22<kop>pr0t0c0l: Check vmstat 5 to see if your swapping.
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10:23<pr0t0c0l>I'm running Etch/Sid repos. Every other Java app works fine. But when I run OOo, it's extremely slow to the point where I have to do xkill
10:23<fliguy>kop: no upgrades available. i'm leaning towards a reinstall.
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10:23<pr0t0c0l>kop, you want me to run vmstat 5 while running OOo?
10:24<kop>fliguy: Sounds like a plan.
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10:24<kop>pr0t0c0l: yes.
10:24<pr0t0c0l>kop, that's not gonna happen. I can't multitask or even hover my mouse over any apps/term while OOo is running
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10:25<kop>pr0t0c0l: What do you mean Etch/Sid? Try using an alternate console. (If you don't know how to do that you probably should not be running sid.)
10:26<pr0t0c0l>one sec
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10:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:29<pr0t0c0l>hmm... seems like I'm not swapping
10:30<meglaw>why cant gaim & centericq be connected to msn at the same time
10:30<kop>pr0t0c0l: What do you mean etch/sid? Sid can be broken at any given time.
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10:30<pr0t0c0l>kop, not etch/sid perse. I only had sid repos to install the latest nvidia drivers
10:30<ccg->what tools are there to scan for the available wlan's ?
10:31<kop>ccg: ifconfig -a
10:31<Vakio>pr0t0c0l: mixing releases isn't a good idea.
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10:31<pr0t0c0l>Vakio, I had not choice
10:31<pr0t0c0l>older version of nvidia drivers weren't working with my card
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10:31<kop>ccg-: But if you mean use the card to scan the area, I don't know.
10:31<pr0t0c0l>otherwise I wouldn't have done it
10:32<ccg->kop: i dont want a list of my network device, i want to know which wireless networks i can receive
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10:32<lab5>-about es
10:33<alvarezp>ccg-, iwlist eth0 scan
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10:40<GooZ>yhow to use aptitude to purge everything that starts with kde
10:40<GooZ>like kde*
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10:41<GooZ>that matches kde
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10:41<pr0t0c0l>should I just remove OOo and apt-get again?
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10:47<pr0t0c0l>I'll take that as a yes
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11:04<Guest1255>Hey, is there a java that will run Frostwaire I can apt-get?
11:04<lab5>hola alguien tiene conocimiento sobre grantproject?
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11:04<greathector7>de que se trata segun tu el grant project
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11:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:23<EmleyMoor>Just put a fresh cable on the DVD writer and it still suffers random failure.
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11:23<EmleyMoor>Going to try a minor adjustment - back soon
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11:26<greathector7>perito Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:27<greathector7>perito aqui hay gente que habla español pero no te responderan
11:29<themill>greathector7: he's long gone.
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11:30<Erst>olá tudo bem
11:30<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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11:42<EmleyMoor>At the risk of speaking too soon, it looks like turning my back on cable select might have fixed my DVD writer - but I would be interested in reading why it makes them unreliable
11:43<Guest1255>anyone got any idea why frostwire runs setup every time I open it?
11:44<EmleyMoor>Still gone wrong but a LOT further in
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11:45<EmleyMoor>No, it is still just as unreliable
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11:46<EmleyMoor>This is extremely strange... it looks like something has gone wrong very "deep"
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11:46<EmleyMoor>Two drives, two controllers, umpteen media, no consistency
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11:47<EmleyMoor>This is looking like a bizarre motherboard fault
11:47<EmleyMoor>Strange thing is, the error message says: Errno: 0 (Success), write_g1 scsi sendcmd: no error
11:49<themill>EmleyMoor: it could also be a kernel bug... what are you running?
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11:50<themill>there have been a lot of sata changes of late that broke and then fixed various hardware of mine... you never know.
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11:50<EmleyMoor>Would SATA changes affect a system with no SATA devices?
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11:51<donfede>hello debian folk. I am looking for a debian (etch) solution to play m4a (unprotected itunes AAC) files ... I see "audacious" ... is there some plugin for xmms to play m4a files?
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11:53<EmleyMoor>Any idea how I could go about proving/disproving the kernel?
11:54<themill>EmleyMoor: are you running ide or scsi hardware there?
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11:55<themill>EmleyMoor: there are some big changes in recent kernels for them too, but they should be rock solid under .18. Sorry :(
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11:57<EmleyMoor>So other than keeping trying (pot luck), nothing I can do?
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11:57<Serialkiller>Hi all. anyone here good with exim?
11:58<Serialkiller>i need it to kick for invaild address, not just accept everything
11:58<Serialkiller>so on vaild address i need 250 accepted , on invaild i need 550 no user, and its driving me crazy
11:59<chealer>EmleyMoor: what do you want to achieve?
11:59<themill>EmleyMoor: I can't think of anything else to suggest. Sorry!
11:59<abdulkadir_83>hi which channel is debian turkish?
11:59<themill>EmleyMoor: others will have suggestions though.
11:59<EmleyMoor>chealer: DVD writing that works instead of failing randomly
11:59<dpkg>somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr ( / -- if you need help in turkish, please join, or
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12:00<chealer>EmleyMoor: is it a new machine?
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12:00<EmleyMoor>Identically random performance with two drives, two controllers, two batches of media
12:00<EmleyMoor>No, far from it
12:00<abdulkadir_83>:( it is empty channel debian-tr (thanks)
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12:02<EmleyMoor>Original DVD drive I'd had a while so I blamed it and bought a new one
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12:02<EmleyMoor>... only to discover a brand new one to be just as bad, so I bought more media...
12:02<EmleyMoor>... same problem.
12:02<EmleyMoor>Original one worked OK when I had it
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12:06<EmleyMoor>Write errors never occur twice in a row in the same place on the same DVD
12:06<EmleyMoor>Got error 5 this time
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12:07<EmleyMoor>Only other thought I've had is that it could just be that I am experiencing some weird problem affecting only +RWs and that -RWs may work
12:11<EmleyMoor>Any suggestions as to what to try next would be much appreciated
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12:16<EmleyMoor>It's just like it picks a random number and breaks after that many megabytes
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12:24<Schampong>Does anyone know how to (properly) change the current worling directory of another process with the shell?
12:24<themill>Schampong: before running the process? or on a currently running process?
12:25<Schampong>themill: on a currently running process. AFAIK there is no proper way to do so
12:25<Myon>I don't think there is
12:26<themill>Schampong: I know of no clean way to do so. It would be very process dependent too.
12:26<Schampong>And this should only be possible as root
12:26<Myon>gdb, but...
12:26<Schampong>Myon: do you mean Gnu Debugger with gdb?
12:26<EmleyMoor>I can't even reduce the writing speed - I am effectively "single-speed"
12:26<Myon>attach, print chdir(), exit
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12:28<Schampong>Myon: It would be difficult to use gdb for that, because this is supposed to run in a script that unmounts the /home directory on logout
12:29<Myon>use pam_mount
12:30<Schampong>So what I want to do is write a little script that unmounts the /home directory when all users have logged out, e.g. when system reboots or when going single user
12:30<Myon>on reboot it should be unmounted anyway
12:30<EmleyMoor>I am serious - it looks like this thing is picking a random number every time I try to write a DVD. If it is less than 4482, the write fails after the chosen number of megabytes - there has to be a better explanation than that but I am damned if I can find it
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12:32<Schampong>Myon: well, I've just recently reconfigured pam and read lots about it (the standard pam modules), but I have no idea how pam_mount works. I got to search a bit. Can you give me a hint for a good starting point?
12:32<Myon>/usr/share/doc/libpam-mount/* :)
12:33<Schampong>Myon: suretainly
12:33<Garp>Question: since my kernel moved HDD from /dev/hdx to /dev/sdx, my /etc/hdparm.conf doesnt work as expected (yes, I moved hdx to sdx). If I restart, I get: /dev/sdb failed! /dev/sdc failed!. The only think I want is my disks to spin down after 5mn of inactivity... Any suggestion? Thanks.
12:33<Serialkiller>how do you make exim give a 550 if the email account doesnt exist?
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12:35<Schampong>Myon: Hmm, pam_mount is a nice little plugin module for pam, but isn't there a way of doing it without pam_mount? I mean, all I got to do is unmount the /home dir, and this usually always works unless I start the script from somewhere in /home, because I can't unmount a dir that is currently in use.
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12:41<Schampong>thanks anyway
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12:46<EmleyMoor>Anyone else experiencing random unreliability of DVD writing?
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12:55<chealer>EmleyMoor: there's no problem with CDs, right?
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12:55<brew_>If I alter my .bashrc file is there a way to reload it without having to log out and log back in?
12:55<EmleyMoor>chealer: Can't swear to it but don't think so
12:55<cahoot>brew_: 'source file'
12:56<chealer>EmleyMoor: I suggest trying other media, either other DVD types or ~5 CDs
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12:57<brew_>cahoot: Thank you very much!
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12:58<cahoot>brew_: actually '. .bashrc' seems to do the trick also
12:58<EmleyMoor>chealer: I will get the other DVDs and also try doing some stuff with CDs but I don't think CDs will be affected
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12:59<lee_>eh any one else have an issue with internet speeds luxing majoly ie ...100mps then down to 24,8 kpbs
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12:59<lee_>for example
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13:00<lee_>8mps down to under 56kps
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13:04<paco>need help, is it a good ideo to call autoconf, automake and libtool in debian/rules file?
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13:05<@Myon>only if you *really* need to
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13:05<paco>hmm, why?
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13:06<azeem>paco: you might get more help in #debian-mentors
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13:07<paco>azeem: thx
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13:11<yves>Hi all, I have a problem with mounting a samba-share on boot. The mount is properly defined in /etc/fstab, however when my system is fully booted up I notice that the mounting did not happen.
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13:11<yves>Maybe the mounting happens before the network interfaces are up ?
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13:12<Space_NL>hi all, i got an eggdrop searching for which is aint got, but i do got i checked, apt sais tcl itself is the newest version, how to fix this ?
13:13<yves>Space_NL, try symlinking the two?
13:13<themill>Space_NL: are you using the eggdrop package from debian?
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13:14<Space_NL>themill: probably not, not sure, i didnt install the eggdrop in the first place really, just trying to get it trunning again after going into sarge
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13:14<themill>Space_NL: you've only just upgraded to sarge?
13:14<Space_NL>yves: didnt try it yet, i did think about copying the file, but that didnt feel good.
13:14<Space_NL>themill: eeuhm a week ago orso
13:15<themill>Space_NL: so you've been running woody?
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13:15<Space_NL>is that a problem
13:15<themill>Space_NL: you do know that woody has been out of security support for some time and that sarge security support ends sometime soon too, don't you?
13:16<Space_NL>themill: i did know that about woody, but the machine was off the net untill last week due to isp problems (co-located at my moms :-)
13:16<themill>Space_NL: heh ;)
13:17<Space_NL>themill: hmm, my mistake, i just went from sarge to etch. (hits himself hard now)
13:17<themill>Space_NL: eggdrop exists in sarge too, so the easiest thing might be to grab that package. A symlink for the library is "unclean" but you could do plenty worse.
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13:17<themill>Space_NL: that sounds better ;)
13:17<Space_NL>i never got the thing with those names..
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13:18<Space_NL>themill: but the library itself should be the same then ? (i mean, why bother naming it .0 as an extra then?)
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13:19<themill>Space_NL: It's a sub version number. If you're lucky it will just work, if you're unlucky eggdrop will just segfault.
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13:19<Space_NL>well, i can always try
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13:19<Space_NL>1 small stupid question: how must i make a symlink ?
13:20<Space_NL>(its been 1999 since i really worked with linux .. )
13:20<yves>Can anyone give me a clean solution for a samba mount not mounting on boot when defined in /etc/fstab?
13:21<yves>Space_NL: ln <target> <linkname>
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13:23<maxamillion>max: nice nick :)
13:23<kop>Space_NL, yves : You want "ln -s" otherwise you make a hard link.
13:23<maxamillion>goauld: hello
13:24<yves>kop, ofcourse; forgot :)
13:24<Space_NL>thnx yves, thnx kop, thnx alot themill (and everyone else for reading my n00b mistakes and questions)
13:24<kop>!tell goauld -about ask
13:25<kop>yves: Just because it's in /etc/fstab does not mean it will automatically mount. I think there's a "auto" mount option, or something, that has to be in fstab.
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13:26<goauld>how do i disable the soundcard completely? (sound doesnt work for me, snd-hda-intel with alc268 isnt supported or buggy), so sound comes out scratchy or no sound is produced but a overall system slowdown is noticed, making some apps very very slow like konqueror, and others just works good
13:26<yves>kop: Oh, I thought it would automatically mount.. except for when the "noauto" option was given.
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13:26<kop>yves: You'll have to rftm. I forget the details. You might be right.
13:26<themill>Space_NL: no worries... good luck with it!
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13:27<yves>kop: I'll try with the auto option. Be back later :)
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13:28<kop>goauld: As a guess, you'd make sure that the module for the sound card does not load. It may have to do with /etc/modules but it's been a really long time since I've looked at that stuff so I couldn't say.
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13:31<yves>kop: No success with the auto option. The mounting happens before the network interfaces are up I guess. Can you recommend me a clean solution?
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14:20<jthomas>how can I have a user share her desktop with me (VNC or TightVNC)? Every time I've tried it, I can connect but I never see her screen, its always like another session or something
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14:20<EmleyMoor>jthomas: You want to see her desktop? She should have vino installed
14:21<jthomas>i don't have that in my Lenny...
14:22<EmleyMoor>vino is in etch, so it should be in lenny. Otherwise, look for x0rfb
14:22<jthomas>google results tell me its a Gnome thing...
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14:22<jthomas>we're KDE people
14:22<EmleyMoor>Ah yes, vino is for gnome. x0rfbserver should be suitable though
14:22<maxamillion>whoa ... time out
14:23<maxamillion>jthomas: who is "we"?
14:23<petemc>krfb or x11vnc
14:23<jthomas>maxamillion: myself and the one I am helpingh
14:23<petemc>both allow you to export the running desktop
14:23<Supaplex>!start a wm war
14:23<dpkg>metacity bites!
14:23<maxamillion>jthomas: ah ok
14:23<jthomas>maxamillion: chill yo ;)
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14:23<maxamillion>jthomas: pypanel and openbox all the way! :D
14:23[~]maxamillion runs and hides
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14:24<jthomas>ok but with Krfb I cannot seem to do so outside of a local network, and with x11vnc or with xtightvnc I always get *not* the activly-used desktop -- its another session or somehting
14:24<EmleyMoor>I changed to gmone after DebianDay because I liked the look of it
14:25<EmleyMoor>gnome, even
14:25<jthomas>oh gnome?
14:25<jthomas>i've never seen it in a way that I like... but thats not what I want to discuss.
14:25<jthomas>(not that I rule discussions)
14:25<EmleyMoor>I'd been using a lot of gnomish stuff anyway
14:25<maxamillion>gnome vs. kde is pointless ... you don't get anywhere
14:26<jthomas>thank you
14:26<maxamillion>use what you like and leave it at that
14:26<EmleyMoor>Were any of you lot at DebianDay?
14:26<maxamillion>EmleyMoor: i lack the funding to travel, so no .... i'm currently doing that whole "broke college student" thing
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14:27<EmleyMoor>I had great fun travelling up to Edinburgh on the sleeper train - and one of the speakers at DebianDay was also on it
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14:27<desperate>can one of those hidden processes be deduced by total CPU use -idle and spot it if there is a gap? And the same with RAM? I find it hard to believe a process can cloak it's process usage and ram place..
14:28<jthomas>so, no one can tell me how (or where to look) for exporting/sharing a desktop with TightVNC or x11vnc?
14:28<desperate>usage - idle = total = gap = hidden process
14:28<desperate>jthomas: what are you trying to do?
14:29<desperate>jthomas: easy install a client, serve and start it
14:29[~]EmleyMoor guesses jthomas is trying to provide remote assistance
14:29<desperate>jthomas: you just need to put the
14:29<desperate>the IP
14:29<jthomas>i want to have my friend's computer (Kubuntu) show up on my Debian so that I can show her where to click for things and how to do some stuff.
14:29<desperate>jthomas: it's a piece of cake
14:29<jthomas>so that we can both see it and both control it
14:29<desperate>never seen something as easy as VNC
14:30<desperate>Kubuntu!!! even easier!!
14:30<EmleyMoor>Like I do with my mother's Windows boxen, in other words... but Linux both ends
14:30<jthomas>you're kdding? on Windows its easy since there is only one session, but every time I've tried it I canNOT conenct to the active session
14:30<desperate>but again... I am not sure this channel will welcome Kubuntu questions
14:30<jthomas>again, with krfb I cannot ever get out of the local network
14:31<desperate>jthomas: you prolly need port forwarding, something I haven't deal with yet
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14:32<jthomas>petemc: krfb, create invite: "Host:" yeah it says NOTHING about NAT traversal, nothing about port numbers, nothing about getting out of my home to another home across the interweeb.
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14:32<EmleyMoor>jthomas: Presumably she has some kind of router?
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14:32<jthomas>yes as do I
14:33<desperate>duh... do you expect magically jump all over the world to find your chic?
14:33<EmleyMoor>jthomas: You need to arrange to forward her outside IP's port 5900 to her inside IP's port 5900, typically
14:33<jthomas>No but I have port forwarding on my machine; I need her to set up the server and add me as a client so that I can connect.
14:33<jthomas>that would work also
14:34<jthomas>my point is -- I canNOT ever see the active session
14:34<jthomas>I am not worried about the networking part of VNC (i am for krfb)
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14:34<EmleyMoor>How should krfb be accessed?
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14:35<chealer>EmleyMoor: with a VNC client?
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14:35<EmleyMoor>chealer: I thought so
14:35<desperate>jthomas: the only thing I would reccomend you is to make Kubuntu session longer because by default expires in 30 minutes I belive
14:35<jthomas>ok, this is how I do it on a client Windows box (shudder) -- I have xtightvnc listening on tmy box, coming from the router to port 5500. The client starts TightVNC, right-clicks the Taskbar icon, and enters my IP. So easy. Never this easy when the remote box is Linux :(
14:35<desperate>when I was using it was highly annoying
14:35<EmleyMoor>That means that the networking side of things for it is the same as for VNC
14:35<MrAlk3>how can i run Xorg on one console only? i want to be able to swtich between framebuffer consoles and Xorg
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14:36<EmleyMoor>I haven't yet mastered how to reach a "detached" main screen from outside
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14:37<desperate>MrAlk3: ctrl+alt+fx
14:37<EmleyMoor>(hence I have a VNC session as well at present)
14:37<desperate>MrAlk3: it runs only on one
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14:37<jthomas>EmleyMoor: thats what I am saying, i never can see what I am supposed to be helping with
14:38<MrAlk3>desperate: is ther a way to have Xorg start at boot, but only display on tty0?
14:38<EmleyMoor>jthomas: I think I have mastered that but only in a gnomish way
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14:38<desperate>try yourself ctrl+alt+fn <--(n=number 1 to 12)
14:38<EmleyMoor>(in fact I know I have)
14:39<desperate>MrAlk3: why would you do that?
14:39<MrAlk3>so i can use my consoles and swithc between x
14:40<MrAlk3>i know it can be run from one console only. i can use X with startx and switch between console and GUI
14:40<MrAlk3>i just want it to start automatically
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14:48<themill>MrAlk3: you need to edit /etc/inittab to do that. Not something to be taken on lightly.
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14:49<MrAlk3>themill: im sure i can figure it out. but what is the risk? the worst that happens is i use my custom install disk and reinstall in about 10 minutes
14:49<padski>MrAlk3: sounds like you have that covered then.
14:49<MrAlk3>themill: where can i look for a tutorial for this
14:49<MrAlk3>i keep seeing stuff about dual monitors when i use google
14:49<themill>MrAlk3: the risk is that you end up with a system where init gives up as soon as the kernel tries to start userspace.
14:50<MrAlk3>ok. i will mess with a virtual machine then first
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14:53<desperate>try yourself ctrl+alt+fn <--(n=number 1 to 12)
14:53<lynzk100>okay, i am here
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14:54<desperate>lol trigger happy?
14:54<lynzk100>can anyone help me out with symlinks?
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14:54<desperate>lynzk100: ln -s "/path/of/link" "SymlinkName"
14:54<desperate>lynzk100: next
14:55<MrAlk3>ctrl+alt+[function-number] is what i have been using. im just trying to figure out how to change /etc/inittab to get xorg on one console only
14:55<desperate>MrAlk3: errr... it use one console here
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14:55<desperate>MrAlk3: what is Xorg doing ATM now in there?
14:56<padski>MrAlk3: IIRC there is an option to X which selects the tty.
14:56<MrAlk3>i dont have it running at all
14:56<desperate>MrAlk3: alternatively you can start a new session withing X
14:56<desperate>and that sessino you can have as console
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14:56<desperate>MrAlk3: what's your aim?
14:57<padski>MrAlk3: I used to move it about, but it doesn't travel terribly well. couldn't use gdm or whatever and learn to press Alt-F7 as needed ?
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14:57<lynzk100>okay but my question has to do with runlevels
14:57<padski>MrAlk3: s/couldn't use/couldn't you use/
14:57<lynzk100>i have a script i want to run at bootup
14:58<MrAlk3>padski: i havent done this before, so i am trying to learn the ropes
14:58<lynzk100>how can i use update-rc.d with that script?
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14:59<padski>MrAlk3: well, like I said there is an option to select a tty, you'll find it in the manual pages, and you can set it somewhere in /etc/X11/
14:59<lynzk100>I've moved the script to /etc/init.d
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14:59<MrAlk3>padski: ok i will check that out
14:59<MrAlk3>i was sure i could do it with X itself, not with inittab
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14:59<lynzk100>i guess i just don't get how programs get started up on bootup
15:00<MrAlk3>but wasnt sure how
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15:00<padski>MrAlk3: you'll probably find you want gdm (or whichever display manager) just with a feature to log someone in automatically at boot.
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15:01<padski>MrAlk3: mind you my Xserver manual now says "ttyxx ignored, for servers started the ancient way (from init)." :-(
15:02<MrAlk3>i just saw that
15:02<MrAlk3>kinda bummed
15:02<MrAlk3>vtxx should work
15:02<lynzk100>desperate, how do I know what number to assign the script for boot?
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15:06<lynzk100>can anyone help me out?
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15:07<MrAlk3>i was abouut to answer.
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15:08<E0x>i can't read mind ( yet )
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15:08<Cyorxamp>Lo, I've a ext3 partition that I don't mind absolutely anyone read/writing to - what (i'm assuming not 'default') should fstab read as?
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15:09<Myon>default, chmod it 1777 (777?)
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15:09<Cyorxamp>o_O ah! *tries*
15:09<Myon>think /tmp
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15:09<MrAlk3>padski: i guess if you type: startx && and then switch back to a console that isnt running x, then you go back, it shows just the output of startx
15:10<MrAlk3>then x moves to tty7
15:10<MrAlk3>and you get the other terms back
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15:11<Cyorxamp>Yay! worked :P
15:11<Cyorxamp>Thank you Myon
15:11<Cyorxamp>I don't suppose I could also pick your brain on another fstab-possible issue?
15:11<Myon>you could try asking
15:12<Cyorxamp>I've also a FAT32 mount which is shared using samba... but unfortunately unusal chars like accented ones don't show properly on the samba share - but I'm told its the fstab mount line that needs changing
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15:12<Cyorxamp>Currently I'm using... user,rw,exec,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,iocharset=iso8859-15
15:13<Cyorxamp>As I think iso8859-15 was supposed to be the one for the extra chars... but its not working :(
15:13<Myon>there's several, maybe utf-8
15:13<Cyorxamp>This partition is also like the ext3 one - i.e. absolutely anyone read/write to
15:14<Cyorxamp>What my best 'line' for all that? :P
15:14<Cyorxamp>the other stuff is from ages ago and I forget what it does
15:15<Myon>well, exactly that
15:15<Myon>(except exec and that fmask together doesn't really make sense)
15:15<Myon>man fstab, man mount
15:15<Cyorxamp>do I need bother with either fmask or dmask? essentially its to pretent to be 1777 like the other thing you helped me with
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15:28<ace>Hi all
15:28<ace>I got this rather strange error while installing the nvidia drivers, Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.19 but it is not installable
15:28<guillaume>I've lost the nmbd service from samba since a bug in package update. How can I bring it back ?
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15:28<ace>Anyone know where i can find nvidia-kernel?
15:29<chealer>ace: which guide do you follow?
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15:29<guillaume>ace: yes I try too the 100.14.19 and get an unresolved symbol at xorg server boot
15:29<zobel>someone an idea to ?
15:29<zobel>help appriciated.
15:29<ace>no guide, just installed etch, then updated to sid, then searched synaptic for nvidia, and so i tried to install nvidia-glx
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15:32<chealer>ace: sid is not for you. start by reinstalling an appropriate suite.
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15:34<ace>But i can't go lower than sid, my hardware isn't detected, the current disk that debian is on, the second hard disk is not detected by etch
15:35<chealer>ace: I'm pretty sure you can.
15:36<ace>I asked in the debian forums, no one responded
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15:36<Eulex>ace, you can install a newer kernel at stable or testing.
15:36<chealer>ace: that doesn't mean much. there are no good Debian forums yet.
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15:38<ace>no good debian forums yet?
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15:38<chealer>ace: there's no good *forum* (as opposed to a mailing list) for Debian support yet, no.
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15:38<ace>but my sound is also not detected, and neither are the cool keyboard buttons
15:39<guillaume>seem I had socket problem but don't know the source of them... mysql and pgsql refuse connections... I had an complain about invalid hostname at kernel boot could it be the source of the problem ?
15:39<chealer>ace: same thing
15:39<ace>oh, but i want the latest software so i'll stick with sid
15:40<chealer>ace: sid doesn't have the latest software.
15:41<guillaume>ace: did the nvidia installer complain about gcc version ?
15:41<chealer>guillaume: not that this is #debian
15:41<ace>haven't tried the nvidia installer, i wanted to try the repo way so its easier when updating
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15:42<ace>chealer: what was wrong with that? people prefer to use debs?
15:42<guillaume>chealer: if the pb is under sid aren't we still under debain question ?
15:42<chealer>ace: yes.
15:42<meglaw>debs ru. if i can make it myself or get a package, i choose the latter allways
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15:43<chealer>guillaume: I didnd't understand.
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15:52<guillaume>is "debian_xps" is an invalid hostname ?
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15:54<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:56<tarzeau>guillaume: just don't use _
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16:12<pm_pilot>Hi to all. Does anyone installed Canon PIXMA IP1700?
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16:13<Jmd>Is there a netinst, or a CD image for the current Lenny?
16:13<chealer>Jmd: yes
16:13<Jmd>chealer: Where can I find it?
16:13<Jmd>All the links on the "Get Debian" on link to the stable release.
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16:16<chealer>Jmd: did you check the "CD ISO images" link?
16:16<Jmd>Hmm, I'll go check again.
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16:18<i2l_iurii>Hello Friends!
16:20<Jmd>chealer: I believe I found something along those lines, which CD image would I get though?
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16:21<chealer>do you want a netinst or a number of full CDs?
16:21<Jmd>netinst preferably.
16:22<chealer>Jmd: it's not in that list
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16:22<Jmd>Yeah, I didn't think it was.
16:22<Jmd>Are you sure there's a netinst image for testing?
16:22<i2l_iurii>jmd: how to make a netinstall if i have only wifi connection...over NDISWAPPER ?
16:23<chealer>Jmd: yes
16:23<Jmd>i2l_iurii: I'm no expert, but if it doesn't load the drivers to operate your wireless card to download the needed packages, then I'd say you'd have to use a full install.
16:23<Jmd>chealer: Ok, I'll keep looking around.
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16:25<themill>!lenny netinstall
16:25<dpkg>A (possibly broken) installer for lenny is available from, or and see the wiki at for updates.
16:25<themill>Jmd: ^^
16:26<Jmd>Oh! Thanks themill!
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16:28<Jmd>Ahh here we go,, the debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso look right yeah?
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16:29<chealer>themill: where are netinsts in ?
16:29<chealer>Jmd: yeah
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16:29<themill>chealer: they are available under daily builds, but sure about weekly though.
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16:30<chealer>themill: yes, but why is the second link there?
16:30<themill>chealer: the factoid is only claiming it to be a lenny installer, not a lenny netinstall...
16:30<Jmd>Yeah, there is no netinst image for weekly builds, just for daily.
16:31<Jmd>But thanks guys, I'm downloading it now =D gonna do a fresh install cuz I have a lot of stale files from upgrading from etch to lenny.
16:31<chealer>themill: huh... installer != netinstall. are you sure?
16:31<themill>chealer: it's probably reference from other names too, that's just the one I remember ;)
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16:31<chealer>themill: it's the real name
16:31<themill>chealer: I know that netinstall is a particular install method and image; it's the one I always use.
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16:33<themill>chealer: factoid keys always have a many:one relation to the factoid value... "lenny install" gives the same result.
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16:34<themill>chealer: under daily builds, a netinstall image is available. under weekly, full cd sets are available. Are you happy with that now?
16:34<chealer>themill: lenny install is a redirect to lenny netinstall
16:35<themill>chealer: exactly. that's what I just said
16:35<error3>hi :-)
16:35<chealer>themill: no, lenny install is a redirect. lenny netinstall is a real factoid.
16:35<chealer>dpkg: literal lenny install
16:35<dpkg>"lenny install" is "<reply> see lenny netinstall"
16:35<themill>chealer: I'm obviously not expressing myself clearly to you and I'm not understanding what you are trying to tell me.... but I don't think there's actually anything to argue about here, even if this is irc :)
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16:38<panagos>if there a way to step into kernel code while debugging (eg with gdb)?
16:39<guillaume>how do you explain that I had a mysql server refusing connections at boot, but if I kill process and restart it accept connections ? without changing any setup ....
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16:40<kop>guillaume: A race condition on hardware detection of the network interfaces? Slow dhcp?
16:40<themill>guillaume: unix socket connections or network connections or both?
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16:40<ErJeDi>i need some help
16:41<kop>panagos: Yes, I think, but I've no clue what it is.
16:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
16:41<guillaume>themill: I use it under localhost loop
16:41<ErJeDi>my genesis inc card reader does not mount the sd card when i insert into the card reader
16:41<ErJeDi>what are the solution to solve my problem??
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16:42<ErJeDi>what line i have to add to etc/fstab to automount cards on my usb card reader??
16:42<themill>guillaume: My only guess is the same as kop's here. That networking hasn't come up when mysql starts, but that would be pretty weird.
16:42<kop>guillaume: Sounds like a job for looking in the logs, maybe increasing the logging verbosity. The deamon should eventually tell you what's wrong that way.
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16:44<kop>ErJeDi: That sounds (maybe) like a udev related question. Does it not automount? Or am I wrong?
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16:44<ErJeDi>yeahh does it not automount when insert my sd card into 6 in 1 card reader
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16:44<themill>guillaume, kop: yes... log level debug :) even try running it from the command line to see what it's doing (just run mysqld), perhaps booting into runlevel 1 and then slowly starting things up by hand to see how it goes.
16:44<ErJeDi>but the devices are detected at the init
16:45<guillaume>I've strange log output since recent ungrade under lenny, kernel log complain about invalid hostname, nmbd service from samba fall down, mysql as trouble... I was thinking that debian was more robust
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16:45<themill>ErJeDi: to my knowledge, hal doesn't yet process mmc/sdhci devices.
16:45<ErJeDi>i have a genesis inc usb card reader
16:45<guillaume>my hostname is setup to "localhost" so I don't think it's an invalid one no ?
16:45<kop>ErJeDi: fstab will control mounting on system boot, and mount points, but not ongoing mounts. Those are either with the automount daemon (which is not what you want I don't think) or the desktop (kde etc) or maybe straight from udev.
16:45<seanius>guillaume: start with the easy problem and see if it fixes the rest
16:46<ErJeDi>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05e3:0760 Genesys Logic, Inc. Card Reader
16:46<ErJeDi>this is my card reader
16:46<ErJeDi>need my fstab??
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16:46<kop>guillaume: There's a reason lenny is called testing. If you want it to just be there for you then stable is the way to go. YMMV.
16:47<ErJeDi>kop: need my fstab?
16:47<panagos>if one has an amd64 cpu which supports svm, what is better to use: kvm or xen ?
16:47<kop>!tell ErJeDi -about paste
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16:48<kop>ErJeDi: I'm not clueful when it comes to usb/udev, it just feels like that's where I'd be looking for answers. Sorry I can't help more.
16:48<stew>guillaume: what does "getent hosts localhost" ? and does it return right away?
16:48<kop>stew: (dns? Good thought.)
16:48<seanius>if localhost resolves to an external ip address that could be the cause of all the problems
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16:49<kop>panagos: I think the answer is "it depends". On what you're looking to do.
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16:49<guillaume>stew: the good output ( localhost)
16:49<stew>guillaume: is lo up?
16:49<guillaume>my.cnf is bind to adresse too
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16:50<guillaume>stew: yes
16:50<panagos>kop: if i want to run windows in parallel? am i right believing xen won't work?
16:50<seanius>guillaume: what *exactly* is the error message you see from the kernel about invalid hostname
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16:50<stew>guillaume: can you show us the exact errors from the logs? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
16:50<guillaume>I had this mysql connection bug after an upgrade
16:51<stew>guillaume: show us exactly what made you think you have a bug
16:51<kop>panagos: I'm sure it will work with MS as the dom0 host (because MS is paying Xen), but I'm not sure with a Linux dom0. Maybe.
16:51<guillaume>seanius: "Hostname: Invalid hostname is specified"
16:51<seanius>guillaume: what's in /etc/hostname
16:52<stew>guillaume: exactly where did you see that error?
16:52<kop>guillaume: (The other things to paste would be /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/hosts) Maybe.
16:52<guillaume>seanius: localhost
16:52<stew>kop: getent hosts would have tested that nsswhitch (and if it pointed to /etc/hosts, then that as well)
16:53<kop>panagos: In other words, I don't really know but just guessing. Better look to someone who really knows what they're doing.
16:53<guillaume>stew: I use a lucks startup crypted filesystem at boot, the message appear just after unlocking the partitions
16:53<kop>stew: I'm thinking that maybe it's got something ahead of /etc/hosts etc that's taking time to come up at boot. What has priority over what sort of thing that might contain a race condition.
16:53<seanius>guillaume: try putting some different random name in /etc/hostname, and then have a line in /etc/hosts that goes " thathostname"
16:54<stew>guillaume: but there is no indication of what is generating that error?
16:54<guillaume>seanius: ok
16:54<stew>guillaume: if you type "hostname" what does it return?
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16:54<guillaume>stew: I search in dmesg and syslog, but there's nothing
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16:55<guillaume>stew: I had setup a wrong name before but change it now and still get the error message
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16:56<seanius>guillaume: it would also be helpful to paste your /etc/hosts
16:56<guillaume>I had to rebbot if I change hostname during a gnome session no ?
16:57<panagos>kop: right
16:57<seanius>just do sudo hostname -F /etc/hostname
16:58<guillaume>for the hostname file (very simple)
16:58<stew>guillaume: what is returned when you type "hostname"?
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16:58<seanius>guillaume: but what about /etc/hosts
16:58<guillaume>stew: as I ever say "localhost"
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17:00<guillaume>I see nothing wrong but I'm a newbie :)
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17:02<seanius>guillaume: was the error you got "hostname: the specified hostname is invalid
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17:02<guillaume>seanius: yes
17:03<seanius>and was it because you put a space in the name of the hostname before ( or possibly some other special character)
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17:04<guillaume>seanius: my hostname was dell_xps before I change it to localhost
17:04<guillaume>It was like If I had broken socket connections
17:04<seanius>yeah, underscores aren't allowed
17:05<guillaume>seanius: Yes, that's why I fix it to localhost
17:05<azeem>localhost isn't a great hostname either
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17:06<seanius>guillaume: putting dell-xps in /etc/hostname
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17:06<guillaume>seanius: ok I'll
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17:06<seanius>and then try putting " dell-xps" in /etc/hosts , just under the line for
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17:07<ZZT32>Yo. Any repos where I might be able to get a newer kernel, preferably with CPU frequency scaling? <:)
17:07<seanius>and then try rebooting, and see if the first error message about invalid hostname goes away, and whether or not that effects the other issue
17:07<themill>!tell ZZT32 about
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17:08<seanius>doesn't etch support scaling?
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17:08<themill>ZZT32: 2.6.22 for both amd64 and i386 is in there if you really want.
17:08<ZZT32>seanius, nope @_@
17:08<themill>ZZT32: but what weird hardware do you have?
17:08<ZZT32>Well, put it this way: Fedora 6 & 7 come with scaling for me, and Etch says it's not supported
17:08<guillaume>seanius: I change it to /etc/hosts too, do you know the utility of host.conf file and multi ragument ?
17:08<ZZT32>I have an HP laptop
17:08<ZZT32>Intel Pentium M clocked at 1.7Gh
17:09<themill>ZZT32: the etch kernel will do frequency scaling on that without any problems at all.
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17:09<ZZT32>Hm, let me try it
17:09<seanius>guillaume: that's multicast dns iirc, i have "multi on" in mine and id on't think i ever changed it
17:09<ZZT32>zztop:/home/zzt32# cpufreq-selector -f
17:09<ZZT32>Missing argument for -f
17:09<ZZT32>No cpufreq support
17:10<guillaume>seanius: mine is off
17:10[~]seanius rtfm's host.conf
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17:11<seanius>well you could try setting that to "on" too... it certainly wouldn't hurt and might be related
17:11<ZZT32>themill, will installing "linux-image-2.6.22-2-686" enable cpu frequency scaling?
17:11<seanius>are you sure you're not just needing to load a kernel driver?
17:12<seanius>ZZT32: ^^
17:12<themill>ZZT32: it won't be any different for that than 2.6.18; I think you need to modprobe the correct module and install the correct governor.
17:12<ZZT32>How would I got about that? :p
17:12<ZZT32>please help me :( Fedora has spoiled me
17:12<themill>ZZT32: try speedstep-centrino but there may be a better suited one
17:13<valdyn>ZZT32: 'modprobe speedstep-centrino'
17:13<ZZT32>hehe :D
17:13<seanius>guillaume: you have 10 minutes before i go to sleep :)
17:13<ZZT32>works ;D
17:13<valdyn>ZZT32: add that driver to /etc/modules
17:13<ZZT32>Will do, thanks much
17:13<guillaume>seanius: I change all the setup, will reboot to see if it's better now :)
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17:14<ZZT32>zztop:/home/zzt32# cpufreq-selector -f 600000
17:14<ZZT32>Invalid governor powersave
17:14<ZZT32>oh no :<
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17:14<valdyn>ZZT32: do you have started /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils ?
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17:14<valdyn>ZZT32: or have that file at all?
17:14<ZZT32>yeah I have it, ran it just now but no luck :(
17:15<valdyn>ZZT32: just pick a different governor now
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17:15<valdyn>ZZT32: you cant set frequencies with 'powersave' governor, only with the userspace governor
17:15<ZZT32>valdyn, could you explain that in simpler terms? ^^
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17:16<valdyn>ZZT32: all governors have their own ways of adjusting ( or not adjusting ) frequencies, except the userspace governor which permits users to set frequency
17:16<ZZT32>i see
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17:17<seanius>ZZT32: are you using the gnome desktop?
17:17<valdyn>ZZT32: what you can do to those 'autonomous' governors is only changing the set of available freqs
17:17<valdyn>ZZT32: by setting max and min
17:17<ZZT32>But what do I need to do from here to set the frequency?
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17:17<valdyn>ZZT32: why do you want to set it? its rarely useful..
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17:17<seanius>ZZT32: you might be interested in /usr/share/doc/gnome-applets-data/README.Debian then
17:18<ZZT32>valdyn, I don't like having my laptop fan running all the time :P
17:18<chealer>dpkg: installing lenny is <reply>see
17:18<dpkg>okay, chealer
17:18<ZZT32>seanius, the applet doesn't work.
17:18<ZZT32>I can't even set it with cpufreq-selector
17:18<valdyn>ZZT32: 'powersave' sets the frequency to minimum all by itself
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17:18<schlurchz>Hello folks. I've a plain-Qt-app here that looks fine with Metacity, but the widgets look ugly as hell with wmaker. Any idea why?
17:18<valdyn>ZZT32: additionally setting a special freq is pointless and impossible anyway
17:18<guillaume>seanius: no more kernel message about hostname :)
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17:18<chealer>dpkg: forget lenny netinstall
17:18<dpkg>i forgot lenny netinstall, chealer
17:19<valdyn>ZZT32: maybe you want to run 'cpufreq-info'
17:19<schlurchz>Shouldn't the style of qt widgets be independendt of the window manager?
17:19<weggli>dpkg -l :P
17:19<ZZT32>valdyn, actually I got the "600000" from Fedora 7's lowest setting :p
17:19<dpkg>No packages found matching :P
17:19<valdyn>ZZT32: or just use the gnome applet
17:19<ZZT32>Gnome applet doesn't work
17:19<weggli>dpkg: -l |tar
17:19<dpkg>ii |tar 1.6-12 weggli's private stamp collection
17:19<valdyn>ZZT32: that's what 'powersave' will set all by itself
17:19<guillaume>will try mysql with amarok
17:19<weggli>chch dpkg
17:19<themill>chealer: there was other useful in that factoid, I think you should include it too.
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17:19<valdyn>ZZT32: or whatever your cpus lowest support frequency is
17:19<ZZT32>valdyn, "600 MHz" according to cpufreq-info
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17:20<valdyn>ZZT32: the gnome applet 'doesn't work' because you need to be in the powerdev group probably
17:20<schlurchz>E.g. comboboxes look like Gtk 1 with wmaker. Everything smooth with metacity...
17:20<valdyn>ZZT32: that's it..
17:20<guillaume>socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) :(
17:20<ZZT32>valdyn, well at this point I don't really care if the applet works :P I just need to be able to set it via the terminal.
17:21<seanius>guillaume: past the output of /etc/init.d/mysql/restart and tail -100 /var/log/syslog
17:21<seanius>er, /etc/init.d/mysql restart
17:21<valdyn>ZZT32: so.. pick userspace governor, then you can set a specific freq, or pick one suitable 'autonomous' governor
17:21<chealer>themill: what's not covered by ?
17:21<ZZT32>valdyn, how do I do that? >>
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17:22<valdyn>ZZT32: cpufreq -g userspace
17:22<valdyn>ZZT32: even thogh that's silly
17:22<seanius>guillaume: and i'm assuming it was a "file does not exist" error on mysqld.sock, and not a "permission denied"
17:22<valdyn>ZZT32: when all you want is what your currently selected governor ( powersave ) already does?
17:22<ZZT32>zztop:/home/zzt32# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
17:23<valdyn>ZZT32: sorry, cpufreq-set -g
17:23<themill>chealer: ahh sorry, i found the wiki link on that page too. Looks fine to me, although you're going to confuse a lot of people having removed that lenny netinstall factoid. Are you happy to make that a ref back to your new one?
17:23<valdyn>ZZT32: sorry, cpufreq-set -g <whatever_governor>
17:23<chealer>themill: no problem
17:23<themill>chealer: will you or will I?
17:23<ZZT32>valdyn, I think it worked! :D
17:24<ZZT32>zztop:/home/zzt32# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
17:24<ZZT32>Many thanks.
17:24<chealer>themill: go ahead. note that lenny netinstall was only requested 13 times.
17:24<valdyn>ZZT32: welcome
17:24<themill>chealer: yes, but more and more often (as etch gets older) I've found. particularly on freenode.
17:24<guillaume>seanius: it complain about an already running mysql
17:25<themill>chealer: I'd doubt that count actually, as I've used it more often than that! unless the count for freenode and oftc are separate.
17:25<guillaume>rc.d misconfiguration ?
17:25<goauld>can u tell me some tips to get good fonts in xorg and kde for lcd laptop?
17:25<goauld>it feels not nice right now
17:25<valdyn>goauld: which desktop environment are you using?
17:25<themill>dpkg: lenny netinstall is <reply> see installing lenny
17:25<dpkg>themill: okay
17:26<valdyn>goauld: truetype fonts are default pretty much, they're ok
17:26<valdyn>goauld: you can set rendering features like anti-aliasing etc in kdes control center
17:26<themill>chealer: everybody happy now? ;)
17:26<goauld>it doesnt look very good
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17:26<valdyn>goauld: that's vague
17:26<seanius>guillaume: /etc/init.d/mysql stop, and then do a "ps -ef | grep mysql"
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17:27<valdyn>goauld: have you changed font rendering?
17:27<valdyn>goauld: via kde control panel?
17:27<goauld>font rendering? whats that?
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17:27<chealer>themill: no problem
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17:28<valdyn>goauld: fonts are processed to look good on screens. Some ways look good on lcd, others look good on crt
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17:28<valdyn>goauld: so check out your damn control center..
17:28<guillaume>seanius: mysql is till in active process
17:28<goauld>im in there
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17:33<guillaume>seanius: do you think that if I kill all instance of mysql and mysql_safe and reconfigure all mysql package it could solve this problem ?
17:34<seanius>guillaume: is mysqld still running? it might have taken a second for it to shut down. otherwise kill all the processes, run /etc/init.d/mysql stop to clean up any pid files etc, and try starting it up
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17:35<seanius>the InnoDB errors seem to be the result of a second mysql process with locks on the databse files
17:36<seanius>you're not using nfs are you
17:36<guillaume>seanius: I had to use kill command to shut it
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17:36<guillaume>seanius: ext3
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17:37<seanius>don't think taht should be problem.
17:38<seanius>you haven't done anything manual/extra for your mysql config have you?
17:38<guillaume>seanius: I use ntfs-3g but only for an external usb hard drive
17:38<fliguy>debian says the testing branch is for packages to be included in the next stable release. Does that mean that packages in testing will never be added to stable?
17:38<guillaume>seanius: nope
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17:38<fliguy>current stable?
17:39<saltmiser>I got me a checkered ibm keyboard
17:39<seanius>fliguy: nope, though the most popular stuff usually ends up in backports
17:39<chealer>fliguy: I guess. if a package is not in a release, it's not going to be added to it.
17:39<seanius>guillaume: okay, after killing and /etc/init.d/mysql stop and /etc/init.d/mysql start, can you connect to the database?
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17:41<guillaume>seanius: yes, that's what I was saying :)
17:41<fliguy>i see why people usually use testing for their desktops and stable for servers
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17:42<guillaume>if I kill mysql and restart it, the mysql server work
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17:43<guillaume>but when it's launch at startup, it doesn't
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17:45<rudenstam>I got a promise FastTrak TX4300 with one drive connected, it shows up in boot... sata_promise is built into the kernel.. and sata_promise shows in dmesg, but the disk does not... any tips ?
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17:46<seanius>anyway, bedtime
17:47<guillaume>seanius: thank you for your help
17:47<valdyn>rudenstam: is that a sata or pata disk?
17:48<valdyn>rudenstam: how do you know that there's no disk?
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17:49<rudenstam>valdyn: well.. rather... I can't find the disk.. normally it prints it connected etc. in dmesg.. but not it prints link down
17:49<rudenstam>like: ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300)
17:49<valdyn>rudenstam: so the disk is not connected properly ( check both cables.. )
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17:50<rudenstam>valdyn: should it still show up in the cards bios on boot if it isn't ?
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17:50<valdyn>rudenstam: all kind of weird things may happen when the cable is faulty
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17:51<rudenstam>I hate troubleshooting remote boxes :)
17:51<rudenstam>back to waiting now then ;)
17:51<rudenstam>thanks for the help
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17:56<arrrgrrr>it seems like the irssi package manager is awol, and the irssi package is 2 versions and 5 months behind from the mainstream
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17:57<lupine_85>you should totally adopt the package
17:57<arrrgrrr>unfortunately I'm totally clueless :(
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17:58<arrrgrrr>anyone's got any idea or wanna step up for community?
17:58<lupine_85>arrrgrrr: it's traditional to hit the MLs with this sort of thing
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17:59<lupine_85>what is the current upstream version, anyway?
17:59<Myon>there's already a serious bug about it
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17:59<lupine_85>eh? 0.8.12
17:59<arrrgrrr>lupine_85: oh, sorry, and the current upstream is 0.8.12
17:59<dondelelcaro>hrm... I may hijack it myself if it stays like that for too long
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18:00<lupine_85>with luck, the current debian/ is perfectly usable for the later version too
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18:00[~]arrrgrrr hopes
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18:00<lupine_85>try it. apt-get source, nab the debian/, stick it in the source directory of the new version, update the changelog and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
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18:01<Myon>dondelelcaro: please do, so I don't have to 8-)
18:01<themill>may as well see if uscan works on it...
18:02[~]themill has no idea if the maintainer has put in a debian/watch file though
18:02<dondelelcaro>Myon: yeah, I'm hoping someone else will first. ;-)
18:02[~]dondelelcaro has other things that he should be looking after
18:04<arrrgrrr>forgive me, it looks like the maintainer had just replied to one of the many bug reports and said he will release within a week or so
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18:07<lubos>I'm running cgi script without problems. however when I want to use modules which I have in the same directory as my cgi script, script fails to find them... any hint please..
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18:08<dondelelcaro>lubos: if you're talking about perl, it's because you haven't included that directory in @INC
18:09<dondelelcaro>lubos: you should just install the modules systemwide or push the full path to wherever you've stuck then to use lib qw(...); or BEGIN { push @INC, qw(...)}
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18:10<lubos>dondelelcaro: sorry, i'm talking about apache2
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18:11<lubos>can I make apache to look for modules in the smae directory as my script is?
18:12<dondelelcaro>lubos: what type of modules? apache modules?
18:13<lubos>dondelelcaro: I have my own perl modules .
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18:13<dondelelcaro>lubos: then see what I said above
18:14<dondelelcaro>has nothing to do with apache, and everything to do with the perl interpreter
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18:18<lubos>dondelelcaro: thanks
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18:20<weggli>good night everibady
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18:21<Lounge>what's the best torrent client by far?
18:21<arrrgrrr>wrong question really :P
18:22<arrrgrrr>best is subjective
18:22<gamma>you know how you can drag windows to the edges of a screeen and it will move to the next desktop automaticly
18:22<arrrgrrr>personally I like rtorrent
18:22<gamma>how do i enable that
18:22<Lounge>rtorrent - ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent
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18:23<gamma>does anyone know?
18:23<arrrgrrr>Lounge: yes
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18:24<Lounge>i think my isp is throttling not sure i was donloading ubuntu-gutsy, dl was at full speed, but upload was like only 1 mib with one peer connected
18:24<arrrgrrr>gamma: I only know in fluxbox, it's called workspace warping or something similar, don't know about for other wm though
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18:25<amphi>gamma: in what?
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18:27<gamma>in debian
18:27<arrrgrrr>what wm
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18:27<gamma>i dont understand
18:28<vudo>wm player
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18:28<arrrgrrr>windows manager
18:28<error3>yes I think
18:28<arrrgrrr>bah wtf
18:28<vudo>emulador the sop wm player
18:29<error3>windows manage player ?
18:29<error3>manager :)
18:29<vudo>krumin the best
18:29<nexx>hey guys i need some help setting up dual monitors, any one know any good websites for nvidia specific configurations? or perhaps an X app for chaning primary monitors as well as orientation to one anouther
18:29<gamma>i got the defult debian one
18:30<gamma>i got a clean install
18:30<gamma>on i386
18:30<amphi>gamma: I don't know if metacity can do that sort of workspace edge flipping
18:30<error3>nexx: look on Xinerama I think
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18:30<error3>eee sorry
18:30<error3>I read your sentence again
18:31<nexx>changing* sry
18:31<gamma>well i'm swiching to berl soon
18:31<error3>nexx: do you use the nvidia non-free hell drivers ?
18:31<gamma>so i'll work it out then
18:31<nexx>uhm, im not sure if they are non-free nor not, how do i find out?
18:31<error3>grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf
18:32<error3>or lsmod|grep nvidia
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18:33<posix__>anyone know of a FOSS texas hold'em game with decent computer opposition?
18:33<nexx>its an i2c_viapro?
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18:33<nexx>driver "nvidia"
18:34<nexx>version 1.0
18:34<nexx>nothing says hell
18:34<error3>driver nvidia is non-free
18:34<error3>so it's hell :-)
18:34<nexx>hehe ok
18:34<error3>but it's okay ;)
18:35<error3>well... I think that nvidia provide a configuration tool to use dual monitor
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18:35<error3>and of course all configuration is describe in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-*/*
18:35<error3>there's the solution to your question nexx...
18:36<gamma>he ywahts that program called amoroc er something
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18:36<nexx>nvidia-settings works more of just a status program
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18:36<nexx>i cant change any thing in it
18:36<error3>oh ok
18:36<error3>so look at the documentation I just mentioned
18:36<nexx>ok thanks
18:36<error3>everything is well described there
18:36<gamma>whats that name of the program
18:36<gamma>Amoroc ??
18:36<error3>in how modifying your xorg.conf ;-)
18:36<error3>gamma: probably...
18:36<nexx>awsome much thanks
18:37<gamma>am i spelling it right?
18:37<error3>gamma: I think it's kde related program,so it might be amarok
18:37<error3>k for kde I imagine...
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18:37<error3>u're welcome
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18:37<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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18:38<error3>sorry amphi and thanks for the tip :-)
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18:39<goauld>u shouldnt be bothering about that
18:40<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
18:40<error3>s/p/o ?
18:41<error3>what is pwned ?
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18:42<goauld>tell me
18:42<error3>arrrgrr: ok thanks for the word, I did not know it
18:42<error3>(and thanks to urban dictionary)
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18:55<arrrgrrr>it's like driveby spamming
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18:59<error3>hola Christian
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18:59<Christian>Olha vc esta ai
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19:00<Christian>ou hehe cara to meio pertido
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19:00<Christian>Nunca entrei neste Menssageiro instantaneo
19:00<chealer>!tell Christian about br
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19:00<error3>Christian: please talk in english
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19:01<Guest1280>instant messenger?
19:01<Christian>I dont speak inglish very well
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19:02<Christian>My firt conection in kurumin hehehe
19:02<Christian>with Xchat
19:03<Christian>But where do u talk? Error3
19:03<Tranqgreen>Im having an Issue with Iceweasel and video sites such as youtube and google video. The problem is that videos load the first few seconds and then stop, leaving me with the first few seconds of a video. anyone have any ideas
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19:03<error3>Christian: well I talk here...
19:04<Tranqgreen>my flash is the current version out of the repos and everything is up to date
19:04<arrrgrrr>Tranqgreen: I had the same problem months ago, unfortunately I don't how I solved it sorry :P
19:04<Tranqgreen>arrrgrrr: lol
19:04<Christian>have other chat in the xchat??
19:04<Christian>in portuguese
19:05<Christian>anybory helpme
19:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:05<error3>Tranqgreen: are you using pulseaudio ?
19:06<error3>are you sure that you haven't the free plugin installde ?
19:06<error3>last week I have a problem because both plugins were installed, but non-free was not the one used
19:06<Tranqgreen>yes the mozilla-flash plugin is what is installed
19:06<error3>oh ok
19:07<error3>you've only install the free plugin ?
19:07<Tranqgreen>error3: I have tried both plugins and neither worked. I then flushed both and went back to free
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19:08<Tranqgreen>error3: yes through aptitude, it removes one when the other is installed
19:08<error3>Tranqgreen: if you launch the iceweasel in a console, does it show any error message that could be related to this issue ?
19:08<error3>(when you go on the problematic sites)
19:08<Tranqgreen>I can give it a shot one sec
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19:10<Tranqgreen>the mofo works when launched from the con WTF?????
19:10<arrrgrrr>try it again w/o console
19:11<arrrgrrr>should work now?
19:11<Tranqgreen>no it didnt
19:11<Tranqgreen>con = play nice flux launch = fuk me
19:12<arrrgrrr>is there an instance of iceweasel still running?
19:12<arrrgrrr>pkill all firefox-bin
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19:12<error3>well you should have a environment variable defined in your graphical session that is overwritten to a good value when you launch the console...
19:12<arrrgrrr>I think I ran into that problem with some sites, then I pkill firefox, restarted it and it just worked
19:13<Tranqgreen>it dosent like the all argument
19:13<arrrgrrr>yeah, no all
19:14<Tranqgreen>ok wtf
19:14<arrrgrrr>works now?
19:14<error3>oh good :)
19:14<arrrgrrr>yeah, I had the exact same problem
19:15<Tranqgreen>so how do I fix the launch from the fbox menu so that it works correctly out of the gui
19:15<arrrgrrr>It normally should work, it's not a problem with fluxbox menu, I don't think
19:15<Tranqgreen>instead of this bs term launch each time
19:16<arrrgrrr>it hasn't happened to me at all recently
19:16<Tranqgreen>what firefox ver you have >?
19:16<arrrgrrr>whatever the latest one is in debian sid
19:16<Tranqgreen>how hard is it to go from etch testing to sid ?
19:17<arrrgrrr>just for iceweasel or for the entire system?
19:17<Tranqgreen>all system
19:18<error3>well I think it is not very complicated...
19:18<error3>well theorically if you have no problem, it's really easy
19:18<Tranqgreen>i have the 2.6.18-5-486 kernel and it is completely up to date
19:18<Lounge>oh just figured out why compiz-fusion was jerky & laggy
19:18<error3>but if there's a problem... :)
19:18<error3>Lounge: perhaps because it's a buggy soft ? :-)
19:18<Lounge>i had the "sync to vblank" checked
19:19<error3>Lounge: what card ?
19:19<Lounge>when i unchecked it all the animations are smothed
19:19<Tranqgreen>error3: of there are no issues, is there help from dpkg ?
19:19<error3>Tranqgreen: I don't remember the changes from 2.18 to 2.22... But I had no problem in updating regulary my sid...
19:19<Lounge>it's an old nvidia geforce 5500
19:20<Tranqgreen>Lounge: good luck with that card.
19:20<Lounge>its fine for what i need
19:20<dondelelcaro>I think the close button is greyed out until its finished, but then again, I don't use synaptic
19:20<error3>so you don't need compiz-fusion ;-)
19:20<Lounge>plays doom & jedi acdademy pretty fine
19:21<error3>Tranqgreen: I did not understand what you've said :-/
19:21<Tranqgreen>error3: sorry, can dpkg (the bot) tell me how to do the upgrade from 18 to 22?
19:22<Tranqgreen>msg dpkg sid
19:22<error3>I don't think there is special issue on it...
19:22<error3>it should simply work... But it's easy to say before trying :D
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19:24<error3>Tranqgreen: well if i remember if you have nvidia driver... perhaps an option of the kernel for paravirtualization will make the driver compilation failed... That's the only problem I had I could remember... But perhaps this issue has been resolved by nvidia
19:24<Tranqgreen>maybe Im miss understanding 18 is the new testing correct and 22 is the new unstable
19:25<arrrgrrr>I think 18 is in stable, 22 is in both testing and unstable
19:25<error3>Isn't 18 the current stable kernel ?
19:25<error3>yes I think that's it
19:25<Tranqgreen>because I just (last month) did the 18 upgrade
19:26<Tranqgreen>ive been useing linux for a little less than 6 months so Im a little confused about the development cycle.
19:27<error3>Tranqgreen: well if your 2.6.18 currenly works fine, you might not have some problem to upgrade it to 2.6.22... but I can't be totally affirmative on this
19:27<Tranqgreen>becase my sources list have etch main non-free and contrib so
19:28<error3>no no
19:28<error3>etch is the distrib you have
19:28<error3>main non-free and contrib are the "type" of package you're using on it
19:28<Tranqgreen>well now Im reallly lost
19:28<error3>oh dear :-/
19:28<error3>I've lost you
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19:29<error3>Tranqgreen: etch is the current stable I think
19:29<Tranqgreen>i understand the package types main free contrib but i thought that etch was the name of the point release
19:29<error3>yes that's it
19:29<error3>lenny is the testing
19:29<arrrgrrr>etch used to be testing, then it became stable
19:29<error3>lenny is the future stable
19:29<error3>and sid is sid
19:30<Tranqgreen>ok I understand now
19:31<arrrgrrr>sid is always "still in development" :P
19:31<Tranqgreen>got it you stay away from sid to keep from haveing your computer go boom ( dependancy hell)
19:32<error3>(but sid has not been created to be an acronym of "still in developpement", it's simply the name of a toy story personage)
19:32<arrrgrrr>well, if you're careful, life in sid isn't that bad
19:32<Tranqgreen>ya sid was that evil fucker
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19:33[~]Tranqgreen middle name is disaster
19:33<arrrgrrr>I've always been using sid for the last 2,3 years
19:33<error3>well I love life in sid... but of course you could have some problem... But I did not have any critical problem since I use it
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19:33<error3>I'm under sid for the last 5 years I think
19:33<error3>Tranqgreen: testing could be more evil fucker than sid...
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19:34<Tranqgreen>error3: really ?
19:34<error3>testing is great when it's near to be stable (when it has been freezed, that is no new version of package are upload, only bugfix)
19:34<error3>before this, with all the transition and all other things, I don't say that it's more stable than unstable...
19:35<Tranqgreen>ya I had that problem with the versions changeing on things like mesa libs and such when I tried xgl in may
19:35<error3>well it's just my opinion
19:35<lupine_85>testing is alright at the moment
19:35<lupine_85>for me
19:35<lupine_85>(well, alsa is sort of broken for me, along with pam)
19:36<error3>lupine_85: well sid is alright at the moment for me :-)
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19:36<Tranqgreen>I use the thin client motto of one that does its job well ( flux iceweasel mplayer vlc)
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19:36<error3>I think there are rules to follow to not have many problems on sid. The first is to use apt-listbugs...
19:36<arrrgrrr>make sure you have the security line in your sources.list for testing though
19:36<lupine_85>testing doesn't receive security updates
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19:36<lupine_85>does it?
19:37<error3>it has :-)
19:37<error3>I'm not sure it has permanently security update
19:37<arrrgrrr>deb testing/updates main contrib non-free
19:37<error3>but I'm sure it has it some time before the release... But I think there is always security updates
19:37<Tranqgreen>so for now Im goning to stay etch. I look a sid more when I have more time to study it to know wtf is ok and not
19:37<lupine_85>ho hum, dpkg agrees with you
19:38[~]lupine_85 scratches his head
19:38<Tranqgreen>Im gonna get some food ill idle here till later... catch you all on the flip side and thanks again arrrgrrr and error3 for the help
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19:39<error3>you're welcome
19:39<dpkg>somebody said yw was you're welcome, or or yeah, whatever
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19:39<error3>we can use yw
19:39<Tranqgreen>lmao @ dpkg
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21:14<klys_>hi you
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21:57<brigan>got a problem updated etch now my nvidia drivers dont work and reinstall because gcc4.2 ? any one help with this problem
21:58<brigan>wont compile because it needs gcc 4.1
21:59<brigan>any one
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22:03<lupine_85>brigan: modify the /usr/bin/gcc symlink to point to /usr/bin/gcc-4.1
22:03<lupine_85>(then change it back again afterwards)
22:04<brigan>is this an edit in sudo
22:04<brigan>not shure how to do that
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22:08<nwerneck>hi folks... I'm tweaking the hotkeys of my new notebook. doe anybody know a good tutorial about hotkeys? how do I find out the code of a specific key?
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22:14<alaya>check out showkey command
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22:14<alaya>and xkeycaps
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22:15<Arrowhead>hey all
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22:16<Arrowhead>so i'm trying to upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 (the latest stable kernel, i believe)
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22:16<Arrowhead>does anyone know the safest way to do this (and maybe a way to go back if i screw up royally)?
22:16<alaya>Arrowhead: apt-get install linux-image-2.6 ??
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22:16<Arrowhead>alaya: wow, is that it?
22:17<Arrowhead>alaya: I remember last time i upgraded to 2.4, i had to do some crazy stuff like recompile the kernel and stuff like that
22:17<alaya>that should pull in everything, including module-init-tools
22:18<Arrowhead> do i have to manually reconfig the boot loader too, or is apt-get really everything i need?
22:18<alaya>Arrowhead: you can use linux-image-2.6-686 if you have a compatible system, or other cpu optimized verison
22:19<alaya>Arrowhead: i know grub will automatically get updated. pretty sure lilo will but not 100%
22:19<Arrowhead>oh yeah, and i tarball'd up my entire / directory (minus the home dirs).....would that be enough for me to roll back in the event of a disaster?
22:19<alaya>apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |less
22:19<Arrowhead>i've got grub, so i should be covered
22:20<alaya>prolly 686 or k7 is what you'd want
22:21<Arrowhead>cool, so for the final question, is it enough to tarball the / directory, or are there other things i need to back up?
22:21<alaya>Arrowhead: what? why do you need to backup?
22:22<alaya>not for a kernel upgrade
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22:22<alaya>i mean, keep backups of data you need, but not for this reason
22:22<Arrowhead>well, just in case, since i'm paranoid of doing something really bad....but from what you described, it seems quite easy
22:22<alaya>well the old kernel is still there and can be booted so...
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22:23<Arrowhead>ah, really? so it won't blow away my old kernel
22:23<Arrowhead>awesome, so threre really is very little risk in this
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22:23<Arrowhead>heh thanks alaya.....that helps a lot ^_^
22:24<Arrowhead>i'll go try it out right now
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22:26<nwerneck>thanks, alaya
22:27<alaya>nwerneck: if thinkpad, has some info
22:29<nwerneck>it's a compaq... (HP)
22:29<nwerneck>v6200 series
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22:30<nwerneck> do I assign the keys, now? I installed hotkeys-setup, and it seems to be working.... but how do I get to open mozilla with the "www" key now?...
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22:34<real>hi.. i got a sony vaio c140f/b and i installed debian everything works fine.. but the touchpad is too slow.. anyone knows how to fix this problem?
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22:41<lupine_85>real: stab the touchpad with a fork and buy a portable USB mouse
22:41<lupine_85>it's the only solution
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22:50<real>lupine_85: but with ubuntu i had no problem with the touchpad
22:51<lupine_85>mm, but it's a touchpad, hence a tool of evil
22:51<lupine_85>(hence why you must thrust a fork through it's black heart)
22:51<lupine_85>more seriously, there are likely options to change the sensitivity
22:51<lupine_85>try the mouse options in the kde/gnome control panel
22:53<dondelelcaro>real: slow in that the mouse doesn't move fast enough?
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22:54<dondelelcaro>real: if so, use xset q; to see what the mouse settings are currently, and then xset m accel threshold; to set it appropriate to your tats
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23:15<debchi>hi all !
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23:47<allisterb>Hi I need libstdc++5 to run Firefox, but it depends on gcc 3.3 base, will installing gcc 3.3 cause any conflicts or overwrite the newer 4.1 ?
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23:48<chealer>allisterb: if you don't mind, why do you want to run Firefox?
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23:49<manphiz>allisterb, for your question, no conflict will happen.
23:49<manphiz>And iceweasel is firefox
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23:49<allisterb>chealer you mean in place of Iceweasel?..umm just familiarity I guess, does the IceWeasel have some improvements?
23:49<allisterb>manphiz, I know, was just curious
23:50<chealer>allisterb: yes. yes.
23:51<manphiz>allisterb, as for advantage, iceweasel doesn't depends on libstdc++5 ;)
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23:52<allisterb>chealer, manphiz actually the main reason was the faster roll out of security updates
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23:54<manphiz>allisterb, which distribution are you using? stable/testing/unstable? Unstable usually updates frequently, stable often lacks behind a few days. testing maybe the last, due to issues in xulrunner problem on mips(el).
23:54<manphiz>sorry, release I mean
23:56<allisterb>stable right now, but I like the fact that FF will always automatically get the latest update pushed to it
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