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---Logopened Sat Oct 13 00:00:03 2007
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00:06<filemover>hi im trying to ssh to a remote maching and i keep getting Connection refused can anyone help thanx
00:06<filemover>ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.115 port 22: Connection refused
00:07<saltmiser>is ssh installed
00:07<saltmiser>like hte reall sshd
00:07<saltmiser>it's not in debain by default
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00:08<filemover>ive checked the ps -A and i get ssh-agent
00:09<saltmiser>try `apt-get install openssh-server`
00:09<filemover>ps -A | grep ssh --> ssh-agent
00:09<saltmiser>I'm pretty sure that's what I have running around here
00:09<filemover>ah!
00:09<filemover>what about the client side
00:09<saltmiser>does `ssh` give you anything in your shell
00:10<saltmiser>if it does then don't worry about it it's already there
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00:10<filemover>it gives a list of options
00:10<saltmiser>k just install openssh-server then
00:10<filemover>thnx
00:10<saltmiser>then like /etc/init.d/sshd start
00:10<saltmiser>or /etc/init.d/openssh-server start
00:10<saltmiser>something like that
00:11<saltmiser>all as root of course
00:11<filemover>ok
00:11<filemover>ill have to install it on the other machine
00:11<filemover>im on the client side at the moment
00:12<filemover>but ill install it on this one as well so i can do it from both directions
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00:17<chealer>saltmiser: BTW, services are started by default
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00:37<knoppix_>?
00:37<knoppix_>dajia
00:38<knoppix_>hao a
00:38<knoppix_> ni shi shui
00:38<knoppix_>hoa
00:38<knoppix_>asdfasd
00:38<knoppix_>sd
00:38<knoppix_>d
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00:38<Guest1606>dd
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00:42<debed>hi folks
00:44<Onepamopa>debed, well well
00:44<Onepamopa>;>
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00:45<debed>One\Smoke, hi
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00:49<klys>is there any reason firefox should have a funky line at the top with BBBBB...etc.?
00:49<klys>~iceweasel
00:49<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
00:51<ameyer>lol, accidental bot triggering
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01:05<Requiem>http://blaugh.com/cartoons/070502_vista_is_torture.gif
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01:07<chealer>Requiem: on your blog, please
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01:09<yujin>icewaesel(firefox-bin) in debian responses my operation much slower than firefox in windowxp, especially slow when switching appications. why?
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01:18<filemover>u might want to check out if your disc is close to full
01:19<filemover>sometimes it slows the system right down
01:20<yujin> total used free shared buffers cached
01:20<yujin>Mem: 1035152 940524 94628 0 543224 246184
01:20<yujin>-/+ buffers/cache: 151116 884036
01:20<yujin>Swap: 1236964 0 1236964
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01:22<[STD]Ein>anybody to take a swing at a kernel install initrd issue? (stupidity related. I apoligize in advance)
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01:27<chealer>hehe
01:31<[STD]Ein>so here's a speil and a half
01:31<[STD]Ein>I've managed to delete the initrd.img for a kernel that I was installing (from binary debian packages) and now I can't figure out how to reinstall the kernel properly. I've tried removing all the relavant bits I could find (image and modules) via apt-get, but on install it reports the initrd for the kernel is missing and fails to complete the install. Rebuilding the initrd with mkinitramfs causes the install to throw an initrd has
01:32<chealer>[STD]Ein: your message was truncated at "an initrd has"
01:34<ameyer>hmm, dpkg -i /path/to/kernel/package.deb?
01:34<ameyer>(although that might just fail as miserably
01:35<ameyer>also dpkg-reconfigure (whatever kernel you fubar'd)
01:36<[STD]Ein>worth trying :)
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01:37<ameyer>I think archived packages are in /var/cache/apt/archives
01:38<peterrooney>[STD]Ein: ameyer has it right
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01:41<yujin>what is most popular webpage explorer in linux?
01:42<madmix>epiphany
01:42<chealer>yujin: the most popular browser on Linux is Firefox.
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01:43<chealer>yujin: do not send private messages without asking for permission first.
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01:45<yujin>chealer.sorry.may i?
01:45<madmix>come posso configurare nokia d211?
01:45<[STD]Ein>well, dpkg-reconfigure runs through the post-install again, (update-initramfs), but the package system is still out of wack, won't reinstall properly. (using apt-get remove, apt-get install)
01:45<chealer>yujin: no, unless you have a good reason.
01:45<chealer>!tell madmix about it
01:46<madmix>d211 is a whi-fi net adapter via pcmci of nokia
01:47<yujin>chealer, ok. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070723 Iceweasel/2.0.0.6 . is it some version of firefox ?
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01:48<chealer>yujin: technically no, but Iceweasel is almost identical to Firefox.
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01:49<ameyer>As an end user, it might be a good idea to change the useragent string from Iceweasel to Firefox because some sites are stupid like that
01:50<madmix>iceweasel is identical to Firefox but u can't install it on a other distribution like suse or mandrake, u can install it inly in a free os like Debian
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01:50<ameyer>I'm sure you could install it elsewhere
01:51<ameyer>it wouldn't be worth the effort
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01:51<madmix>i'm iprove to install it in a suse 10.1 without any response
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01:52<ameyer>it's just changing the name from firefox to iceweasel, and the creature humping the globe from a burning fox to a weasel
01:54<ameyer>madmix: you probably could compile the Debian source elsewhere, but you're probably better off sticking with your distro's firefox
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01:55<yujin>chealer, Is firefox could be installed though marking "firefox" in synaptic package manager,which is descripted as "Transition package for iceweasel rename".
01:55<chealer>yujin: no
01:55<ameyer>"firefox" just depends on iceweasel, I think
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01:57<yujin>chealer, So i need to download it from "http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/" and installed by myself?
01:58<chealer>yujin: why would you need to do that?
01:58<madmix>probabily for me suse is too simple and i'm not spend more time to configure it too in Deibian elsewere i like to compile it and mak more attention of what i make probabily
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01:58<ameyer>ok, I'm too tired to deal with this
01:59<yujin>chealer, What i used now response my command so slowly.
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01:59<chealer>yujin: Firefox wouldn't be faster than Iceweasel.
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02:00<ameyer>I suspect there's some other problem there
02:01<madmix>where i can find information about installing nokia d211 net adapter on Debian??
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02:01<chealer>madmix: which chipset does it use?
02:02<yujin>chealer, but firefox in window xp runs faster.
02:02[~]ameyer guesses that yujin has an ATI video card and therefore has to deal with horribly slow graphics drivers
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02:03<ameyer>either that or something's in yujin's computer, stealing his megahertz
02:04<chealer>yujin: how much RAM does your computer have?
02:04<ameyer>from the free that got him kicked, looks like 1 GB
02:05<ameyer>or her or whatever
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02:05<yujin>chealer, 512M*2RAM, 2.8G*2 CPU
02:05<ameyer>Firefox does ok on 512 MB of RAM
02:06<Onepamopa>can someone find psd patch for >2.6.22 kernel ?!
02:06<ameyer>surprisingly well on 128MB, for what it's worth
02:06<Onepamopa>i googled all night and found just nothing
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02:09<yujin>chealer,what i used now looks very slowly especialy when switching from other appilication to icewaeser .
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02:10<madmix>chealer, i can't find it i find only... nokia d211 type dte-1
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02:13<chealer>madmix: what bus or form factor does the card use?
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02:14<Onepamopa>well, anyone ?
02:14<madmix>it is a pcmci bus and is a wireless adapter wud a gprs modem
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02:15<madmix>it is a pcmci bus and is a wireless adapter 2,4GHz with a gprs modem too... i only wont aptive the wireless adapter
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02:19<chealer>madmix: did you see http://tuxmobil.org/nokia_d211.html?
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02:20<madmix>now i look it thanks
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02:25<madmix>thanks but they only ask to configure gsm... for lan... i can't find information...
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02:31<simonrvn>"now i look *at* it"; "now i look it" would mean "you are looking like it", which i mch doubt you look like a web page ;)
02:36<alaya>prepositions are a bitch
02:37<alaya>cause they're so different between languages
02:37<Onepamopa>so... no PSD
02:37<Onepamopa>ill wait
02:37<pimlottc>good point alaya
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02:41<Vakio>Prepositions? We don't need no stinkin' prepositions!
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02:46<alaya>in german the preposition might be "an" or something, but translated to english would be wrong
02:46<alaya>or maybe in chinese there isn't even one at all
02:46<alaya>just the verb and the object
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02:50<bcochofel>I'm trying to do an iso of my etch box so I can then install it again. I now I can use isolinux for the boot cd but how can I put there all my partitions?
02:51<Onepamopa>mount ?
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02:57<bcochofel>Onepamopa: isn't there a way to put the data on the isolinux? I can't seen to find the way
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02:59<bcochofel>What I want is a custom etch dvd with all the programs already installed
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03:02<Onepamopa>bcochofel: why you didnt just download debian-netinstall cd
03:02<Onepamopa>?
03:02<Onepamopa>it is about 150mb
03:03<Onepamopa>boot, choose mirror and do whatever you want to do :>
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03:03<bcochofel>Onepamopa: that doesn't come with all I want. I want to install a custom dvd and get all my system up in a small time
03:03<bcochofel>Already configured, like a restore thing
03:03<Onepamopa>well, I knew of something about that
03:04<Onepamopa>but I cant remember the name
03:04<bcochofel>With all my home/... settings, my programs, my /etc configurations
03:04<pAngeran_mAlu>can u speak indonesia please?
03:04<Onepamopa>no, we speak english
03:05<Onepamopa>my english is bad too but who cares ?
03:05<pAngeran_mAlu>where do you from? i from indonesia
03:05<Onepamopa>bulgaria, but speaking english (at least trying)
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03:07<pAngeran_mAlu>same, i trying speak english. i on second grade of junior high school,hay.
03:08<Onepamopa>that means you're 20 or so
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03:08<pAngeran_mAlu>hay war.
03:09<izza>can i join in here?
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03:11<pimlottc>is there a way to remove data from the front of a file without moving it?
03:11<gsimmons>bcochofel: You might be interested in Mondo Rescue ('mondo' package).
03:11<pimlottc>sort of like a truncate but from the other side
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03:19<blarson>pimlottc: I suppose if you wanted to remove a multiple of the filesystem chunk size, it could be done. But I doubt any utility does so.
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03:19<blarson>pimlottc: Filesystem specific, of course.
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03:26<Tomash>linux.de
03:27<bcochofel>gsimmons: i'll check that, thx
03:29<bcochofel>gsimmons: isn't that a benchmark suite?
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03:30<bcochofel>I know I can use isolinux and the data dir but I don't know how to tell isolinux the several partitions I have and the format of the data files
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03:37<APlusHost>When installing VMware i get this error "Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use
03:37<APlusHost>"/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.2.2""
03:37<APlusHost>I am using a stock kernel, how can this be fixed?
03:38<fxiny>just upgraded etch to the latest vmware : no problems
03:38<APlusHost>Im running Unstable.
03:38<APlusHost>Ah i see.
03:39<APlusHost>You can install vmware throught apt-get.
03:39<fxiny>i see , i fired up my backup box vm and i got vmware message (sic!), that's why i know
03:39<fxiny>through apt ?
03:39<rosminet>good morning (evening?)
03:39<Eulex>APlusHost, install gcc-4.1 if you haven't got it installed, make your gcc symlink point at gcc-4.1.
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03:39<APlusHost>Okie
03:40<APlusHost>I will try that.
03:40<APlusHost>How can i set the symlink at gcc-4.1
03:40<fxiny>so vmware is in sid ?
03:40<APlusHost>Yes
03:41<APlusHost>Well part of it is.
03:41<APlusHost>The client viewer.
03:41<APlusHost>Not the server itself.
03:41<rosminet>What is the ".journal" file I see in a raid 1 system ... this is the first time it happens
03:42<APlusHost>rosminet it is a file that ext3 uses. Normal its hidden however you probably have the setting to show hidden files enabled.
03:43<APlusHost>How can i set the symlink at gcc-4.1
03:43<Eulex>APlusHost, you read man ln
03:43<rosminet>I didn't change any settings
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03:44<rosminet>juste reboot a little file server after hot-adding a disk
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03:50<Petfrogg>hello!
03:51<Petfrogg>anyone awake?
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03:51<streuner>!ask
03:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
03:51<Petfrogg>8 )
03:52<Petfrogg>"I have a problem with ___". I got a strange problem here with xen. I have installed Debian unstable and is now trying to install the xen-linux-system package that should contain the xen kernel - but i can not find it in my apt-cache
03:53<Petfrogg>i know that xen-linux-system should be a virtual package - but i can not find it. Should i try another debian mirror?
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03:58<Petfrogg>hm looks like there is no such thing as xen-linux-system nor linux-image-xen
03:58<Petfrogg>what kernel should i use for xen=
03:58<Petfrogg>?
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04:01<Petfrogg>What is the name of the package i need to install in order to get a working kernel in dom0 on debian unstable=
04:01<Petfrogg>?
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04:03<calvin-cc-sa>hey ppl i need help with linux
04:03<calvin-cc-sa>the other channels dont reply
04:04<Petfrogg>calvin-cc-sa: ok? (
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04:07<calvin-cc-sa>i would like to use linux, im tired of xp and vista and everything.. ive tried linux before and used it a numerous number of tines
04:08<widrone>calvin-cc-sa: Sampled around the differnt distros or you already know what you want since you are in here?
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04:09<Petfrogg>widrone: do you know why i can no find any dom0 kernels for xen?
04:11<calvin-cc-sa>well i sampled around , got things going but everytime i go back to windows for basic functions like playing my music or for ease of use, i tried fedora, slackware, ubuntu, suse, madriva .. i find fedora is a good distro since i enjoy the technical side of the OS, and i might want to make a living out of linux someday.. but right now i need some help in how to get all my multimedia set up in linux
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04:12<widrone>Petfrogg: Does http://wiki.debian.org/Xen help anything at all? Last time I fuzzed with xen I think I buildt it "by hand".
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04:12<alaya>Petfrogg: http://packages.debian.org/etch/xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686
04:13<Petfrogg>E: Couldn't find package xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686
04:13<widrone>calvin-cc-sa: Many linux distros are without all the codecs etc since they are patented and what-not-shit. That often adds some extra trouble for the "basic multimedia" angle.
04:13<Petfrogg>the apt can not find it - that is my problem
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04:14<widrone>alaya: I think he wants it fofr lenny. ;)
04:14<alaya>read through it
04:14<alaya>http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686
04:14<Petfrogg>i am using "unstable" in order to use nvidia
04:14<alaya>looks like its in security archive
04:14<Petfrogg>ahh that explains it
04:15<calvin-cc-sa>yes iv noticed especially my distro of choice fedora, however my 2nd choice suse has some multimedia support.. im not really woried im more than willing to convert the music files to ogg..
04:15<Petfrogg>hmm
04:15<Petfrogg>can not find it
04:15<fxiny>calvin-cc-sa: be a sinner like me , join Saint Marillat church : deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
04:16<widrone>calvin-cc-sa: So debian isnt first or second choise, yet here you are. Does that tell you anything?
04:16<widrone>Sorry the morning grumpyness got he best of me. *yawns*
04:17<klyk>tells me the best isn't popular and computer eye candy is more visible than what works which is unfortunate.
04:17<calvin-cc-sa>i have never tried debian, im not a linux expert im just seeking help because im willing to change to linux..
04:18<widrone>klyk: Eek, multilevel reasoning!
04:18<fxiny>right . what you need is a multimedia apt sources.list like that one above to avoid problems
04:19<fxiny> you can be a purist later on if you want
04:19<Petfrogg>darn it - it can not find the package.
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04:19<calvin-cc-sa>thanks fxiny ill keep that repository in mind
04:20<fxiny>calvin-cc-sa: about ease of use i think linux once yo uget hold of basic commands is far better then windows
04:20<alaya>Petfrogg: keep repeating that fact over and over
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04:21<widrone>Petfrogg: apt-cache search givevs you no clues whatever? And I see the page I posted for you is a bit short in lenny help.
04:21<Petfrogg>i can see the pages you showed me. But i can not make my apt-cache to find it
04:21<Petfrogg>that is my problem
04:22<alaya>Petfrogg: if you're using unstable then its assumed you know how to handle issues like that
04:22<Petfrogg>alaya: no comment
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04:23<alaya>!unstable
04:23<dpkg>rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
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04:23<rootest>hi all
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04:24<rootest>Please hint me a russian debian channel
04:24<dondelelcaro>!ru
04:24<dpkg>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
04:25<rootest>thanks
04:25<Petfrogg>widrone: i read the page - the problem for me is that i can not find "xen-linux-system-KERNELVERSION package"
04:26<rootest>Sorry, russian channel is empty
04:27<rootest>Please help me make a software raid?
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04:28<rootest>debian:/# cat /proc/mdstat
04:28<rootest>Personalities :
04:28<rootest>unused devices: <none>
04:29|-|mode/#debian [+l 307] by debhelper
04:29<rootest>debian:/etc/init.d# mdadm --create /dev/md0 --chunk=32 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1
04:29<rootest>mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy
04:29<rootest>mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy
04:29<rootest>mdadm: create aborted
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04:29<widrone>!paste
04:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
04:29<rootest>sorry
04:29<gsimmons>!tell rootest -about software raid
04:30<rootest>debian:/etc/init.d# mdadm --create /dev/md0 --chunk=32 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 - is it a right command to create raid 0 device?
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04:34<rootest>debian:/# mkraid
04:34<rootest>bash: mkraid: command not found
04:35<Myon>packages.debian.org knows where to look
04:36<EmleyMoor>I have two DVD+-RW/RAM drives, both of which work OK with CDs but with DVD+RW, and -RW on the new one at least, give random errors when writing. They play DVD Video OK though...
04:37<EmleyMoor>I am wondering whether a replacement is what I need and if not, what it is I do need
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04:38<EmleyMoor>The thing is, if I do replace it and the same thing happens again, I think it could only be the motherboard
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04:42<Jeaniey>hallo
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04:42<daos>hoping that someone may be able to help me with a prob with samba and ADS, I run this command "getent passwd"
04:43<daos>I get a list of LINUX users/sid etc but not of the users in the windows domain
04:43<daos>so no domain authentication can take place
04:43<daos>yet wbinfo -t -u -g all work
04:44<ifvoid>samba had its own password dtaabase
04:45<daos>everything I read tells me that that command should pull the AD users out as well
04:47<ifvoid>I don't know about ADs
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04:50<ifvoid>but getent should indeed show all users of the system, regardless of where they come from, be it /etc/passwd, NIS, LDAP, etc
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04:54<Petfrogg>widrone: i am lost. when changing back to "etch" in my source.list i do get a hit on "linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686" and what to install
04:54<Petfrogg>but not on "unstable"
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04:56<widrone>Petfrogg: You "just went back to etch" in your sources.list? Wont that break stuff? (Im asking here)
04:57<Petfrogg>i didn't revert yet
04:57<widrone>Petfrogg: I think you need to hit google for lenny/xen help, your all cutting edge here you know...
04:57<Petfrogg>just wanted to confirm that it does exist
04:57<Petfrogg>widrone: hmm i hope not
04:57<Petfrogg>widrone: what are you using?
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04:59<widrone>Petfrogg: etch on an nslu2 atm, not running xen in there. ;)
04:59<Petfrogg>8 )
04:59<Petfrogg>i am running gentoo on my nslu2
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04:59<widrone>Petfrogg: Seems to be heaps of xen stuff in lenny thu. packages.debian.org do some searching.
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04:59<Petfrogg>widrone: doing it right now but i just got a comment about it be missing actually
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05:00<widrone>Petfrogg: But maybe not a dom0 kernel, but that I do not know.
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05:00<Petfrogg>exactly
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05:00<Petfrogg>seems like the dom0 kernel exists for etch but not for testing/unstable
05:01<Petfrogg>etch=stable, sid=unstable and lenny=testing?
05:02<weggli>yes
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05:02<amm>Hi, kdm has stopped working after upgrading lenny/sid for amd64 right now. What happens?
05:02<weggli>lenny - testing sid = unstable end etch = stable
05:02<weggli><----------- etch user
05:03<Petfrogg>weggli: thanx
05:03<ifvoid>amm: X or kdm?
05:03<marsu>hello !
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05:03<amm>ifvoid, xinit works, so X is working. kdm is ko, and xdm also
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05:04<marsu>i've been coding a very simple software in Java, almost a GUI for another software... but Java isn't quite professional-looking considering the interfaces it produces.. What would you advise me to use to code a GUI, given that I code under linux and the final software has to be run under windows ?
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05:10<ifvoid>amm: weird
05:10<ifvoid>amm: anything in the logs?
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05:11<Petfrogg>widrone: my conclusion is that there is no xen kernel image for dom0 in neither testing nor unstable
05:11<Petfrogg>can i use stable then for only the kernel and modules for dom0?
05:11<Petfrogg>anyone that can confirm that?
05:12<amm>ifvoid: syslogd says: kernel: Disabling IRQ #16
05:12<Petfrogg>or is there a repository that i do not know anything about hanging around??
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05:14<amm>ifvoid: kdm.log shows some warnings from X about missing font paths, but they've been there for long
05:15<ifvoid>I don't think those are real errors?
05:15<amm>ifvoid: also some xkbcomp errors, not fatal to the X server
05:15<ifvoid>so it seems kdm starts correctly
05:16<ifvoid>what exactly goed wrong?
05:16<amm>ifvoid: after a few seconds with cursor on the screen, X just dies
05:16<widrone>Petfrogg: Mixing packages is not recomended, but I know someone use backports and/or "pinning".
05:17<Petfrogg>hmm widrone gonna try and see what happens
05:17<Petfrogg>it is just the kernel and the modules - what could go wrong 8 )
05:17<widrone>Petfrogg: But I dont know about this. Dont do it is my words... :)
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05:17<Petfrogg>not taken
05:17<Petfrogg>widrone: thank you very much for all your help
05:18<Petfrogg>gonna go to my grandma now
05:18<Petfrogg>see you later
05:18<george>hi. looking to find the easiest way to get xen-3.1 on etch... I guess failing that I might run lenny
05:19<widrone>Id be a happy chap if anyone can have a look at this install log and maybe conclude something? http://t2h.nm.ru/logs/nslu-debian-error.txt
05:20<widrone>Trying to help a debian installer in another channel, and Im stumped.
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05:21[~]george will take a look... but don't hate if my conclusion is something like "HEY! this is written in ENGLISH! YOW!"
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05:22<EmleyMoor>If I have a free choice of serial or parallel ATA DVD writer, which should I choose?
05:23<weasel>USB
05:23<EmleyMoor>(I haven't used the SATA controller on my motherboard yet but Debian sees it)
05:23<EmleyMoor>weasel: And in the absence of USB?
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05:24<widrone>george: He got a timestamp problem, yes. But that should not lead to this "base-installer: error:" should it?
05:24<EmleyMoor>Are SATA drives easy to set up and use in Debian?
05:25<george>just plug em in
05:25<george>widrone: he has networking set up at that point, right?
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05:25<EmleyMoor>So there's no complications in making my DVD writer my first such device?
05:26<widrone>george: Yes, this is after base install and the "bootloader setup" is the packages setting up. (Its on a nslu2, di installer in lowmem mode)
05:26[~]EmleyMoor may well go for it if stock levels allow and won't be put off if they dictate
05:27<amm>is it possible to downgrade from testing to etch, just changing apt.conf?
05:27<Petfrogg>widrone: i installed the dom0 kernel and modules using etch on my unstable... and it booted with no errors
05:27<Petfrogg>maybe just plain luck
05:27<widrone>george: And the same installer worked a-ok for me 20h earlier. So I am ruling out the installer being broken
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05:27<george>he's got that scsi error (scsi is just a subsystem, not just for actual scsi hardware)
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05:28<george>was he plugging stuff in during the install?
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05:28<widrone>Not that I know, he is running a scan of the disk now as that was the only think I could see too.
05:29<widrone>sd 0:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x0007000 <- Im guessing you refer to.
05:29<george>right
05:29<george>the thing after all those usb device speed resets
05:30<george>that happens when you try installing again btw?
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05:31<widrone>george: Ill answer no to that. Out of 3 installs last 24h (3 differnt ppl and machines) 2 worked, so Ill tell him its related to the scsi reset as that is the most likely answer.
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05:32<george>tell him I'm guessing on that point
05:32<george>I have -no- idea for sure
05:32<george>ask him if he has any idea what the device is
05:32<widrone>george: Thanks anyway, its about the same thing I landed on. scsi resets are not a good thing when installing to said usb device.
05:33<widrone>george: By the device numbers I can tell its usb port 1 of the nslu2.
05:33<widrone>And that the usb/hdd with /target mounted.
05:34<george>any of those devices have two eths?
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05:35<widrone>george: No, 1 eth and 2 usb ports on the slug (low power ARM thingy).
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05:41<george>I was hoping to use something like that as a gateway
05:43<widrone>usb ethernet card? Or have a look at those soekris boxes maybe?
05:44<widrone>Not that soekris is anything like a slug, just rememberd the name from looking aroun lowpower, silent cards a while ago. Im guessing there is more arm hardware out now then 1y ago.
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05:49<widrone>george: Well thanks anyway for looking and having an opinion. He decided to have another go at the installer later on today.
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06:08<calvin-cc-sa>guys have any of you read "linux bible"
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06:09<Zingaro>hello
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06:10<Zingaro>i have a rpoblem
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06:10<Zingaro>i have compiled vanilla kernel with realtime-patch
06:11<Zingaro>i have selected ipw2200 module (M) for wi-fi
06:11<Zingaro>but if i do "modprobe -l "
06:11<george>hi. looking to find the easiest way to get xen-3.1 on etch... I guess failing that I might run lenny
06:11<Zingaro>i don't see the module
06:11<Zingaro>can you help me?
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06:12<Zingaro>i use debian testing, the kernel is 2.6.22.1
06:12<azeem>Zingaro: check your .config
06:12<azeem>and possibly your build log, if you recorded one
06:12<Zingaro>ok, but i think it is selected
06:12<Zingaro>i have compiled much days ago
06:12<azeem>is there an ipw2200.ko in the build tree?
06:13<Zingaro>i see it by make menuconfig and it is
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06:13<Zingaro>make menuconfig read the config file i think
06:13<azeem>did you run depmod -a?
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06:14<Zingaro>i think yes but i can retry
06:14<Zingaro>yes
06:14<Zingaro>but modprobe -l don't show ipw22000
06:14<Zingaro>2200*
06:14<george>Zingaro: "i think it is selected" is no good. please tell them either "I know it's selected" or "I know it's not selected" or "please let me know how to find out if it's selected or not"
06:15<Zingaro>ok george
06:15<george>it's going to be very frustrating otherwise
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06:15<george>thanks.
06:15<Zingaro>if i do make menuconfig in the source directory is ok?
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06:15<Zingaro>to see if is it selected?
06:15<azeem>Zingaro: no, search for it in the .config you used to build the kernel
06:15<Zingaro>ok
06:15<azeem>... and modules
06:15<Zingaro>less .config|grep ipw is ok?
06:16<george>yes, that will work, or look at the file it makes, as azeem says it's called .config
06:16<azeem>Zingaro: no
06:16<Zingaro>yes or no? :)
06:16<george>better, cat config | grep whatever
06:16<azeem>well ipw is not whatever
06:16<george>or grep whatever .config
06:16<george>true
06:16<azeem>those are usually in CAPS
06:16<azeem>i.e. IPW
06:16<Zingaro>yes i know
06:17<george>oh, also true... you can either put the caps or say grep -i (means ignore case)
06:17<Zingaro>excuse i made mistake.....wait please
06:17<george>no problem take your time
06:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 313] by debhelper
06:19<george>all I'm doing is getting you to make it easier for azeemn
06:20<george>(and being certain of things where you can is helpful)
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06:20<Garp>Hi.
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06:21<george>Pi.
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06:22<Garp>Question: Since a few days, by wireless card doesnt work properly (I can scan, but not connect) - (Airport Extreme on ibook G4). Any suggestion? Thanks.
06:22<Zingaro>so....i have seen the wrong source directory
06:22<Zingaro>so i done
06:22<Zingaro>less /boot/config-2.6.22.1-rt9 |grep IPW
06:22<Zingaro>CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_IPW=m
06:22<Zingaro>i see that modules is not
06:22<Zingaro>so i will recompile
06:23<Zingaro>i hope the module will be in the kernel 2.6.22.1
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06:23<Zingaro>right?
06:23<Zingaro>because i delete the source directory :(
06:24<george>while you're absolutely welcome to build anything you want... curious, what is it about the available kernel image binaries that don't serve you?
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06:24<george>or if it's not that, then just: why build?
06:24<azeem>13:08 < Zingaro> i have compiled vanilla kernel with realtime-patch
06:24<Zingaro>beacuse i need the realtime patch to play my keyboard
06:24<george>oh right
06:24<Zingaro>and virtual sinth
06:25<Zingaro>ok i will recompile
06:25<Zingaro>last question please
06:25<Zingaro>i rcompile with debian way
06:25<george>doesnt have to be
06:25<Zingaro>but in the readme of kernel vanilla
06:25<Zingaro>i read don't use the /usr/src
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06:25<Zingaro>so...i recompile in home?
06:25<george>well truthfully you could have the source anywhere
06:26<Zingaro>ok
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06:26<george>and you always could
06:26<Zingaro>thx very much george and azeem
06:26<george>np
06:26<Zingaro>azeem: you say that i don't nedd realtime patch to play keyboard?
06:26<uruclef>I have a problem with an HP laptop
06:27<uruclef>I can't change backlight intensity
06:27<uruclef>of the LCD monitor
06:28<Zingaro>george: i would like to patch debian kernel with realtime patch
06:28<Zingaro>but i see always error
06:28<Zingaro>only with vanilla i can apply patch correctly :(
06:29<Zingaro>i don't know if devbian patch and ingo molnar patch are incompatible
06:29<Zingaro>ok have nice day thx
06:29<Zingaro>bb
06:29<george>for that part...
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06:30<george>one, there might be some kind of "patch combiner" program, I'm -not- sure about this part...
06:30<george>but two, it'
06:30<Zingaro>ah ok
06:31<george>but two, it's possible you can look at how and why the patch failed and see if you can hand-apply it
06:31<george>(this method would require some knowledge of c_
06:31<george>)
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06:31<Zingaro>yes...in fact for me kernel is misterious for me again
06:31<Xaya>hi all !
06:31<Zingaro>but with a bit of lucky is can do
06:32<Zingaro>hi Xaya
06:32<george>yeah
06:32<george>Xaya: za?
06:32<Xaya>goode
06:32<Xaya>-e
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06:32<Xaya>debian + gnome = Pwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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06:33<Xaya>great ?
06:33<george>what mean Pwaaa...?
06:33<fxiny>oh a war ? i can use my fluxbox weapons :P
06:33<Xaya>it s my first time runnig debian in graphique mode
06:33<Xaya>pwaaa = really really great
06:34<war>.
06:34<Zingaro>:)
06:34<george>there's a war here!
06:34<fxiny>hahah war is everywhere
06:35<fxiny>last call for mars at the third tic : tic tic
06:35<george>I thought pwaaa... meant he didn't like it :)
06:35<fxiny>me too
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06:35<george>wars on mars?
06:35<Xaya>i was running Ubuntu in a my 1st pc and debian in line command mode in the 2nd
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06:36[~]george likes command line... very powerful. in fact my first reason to be interested in X was the possibility to have many command line windows at the same time
06:36<Xaya>but now i am with debian in graphyque mode in the 1st and debian in commande line mode in the 2nd
06:36<Xaya>iam i heaven right now
06:37<amm>I'm astonished! kdm broken after upgrading lenny/amd64, so install gdm and ... got my kde desktop working again!
06:37<Xaya>george, you are great
06:37<amm>I love debian
06:37<fxiny>oh yes ? running irssi in a screen session in a mrxvt in a fluxbox in a .... ?
06:37<Xaya>me too since last night
06:38<george>well that's a bit extreme :)
06:38<fxiny>add to this bliss a bitlbee window :)
06:38<george>just remember... bliss is a virus...
06:38<fxiny>extreme ? did i say xen ? is just chrooted :)
06:39<fxiny>virus can't do anything to US
06:39<george>o I see.. I'm the extreme one then
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06:39<george>only to non-US
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06:40<Xaya>but i have 1 question : why the system always ask me to put the installation disk in cd-rom drive when i try to install an application
06:40<fxiny>i can't xenify this lovely old PII 400
06:40<george>I'm trying to see if there is a xen-3.1 backport for etch
06:40<george>Xaya: you don't have to have that if you don't want: look at your /etc/apt/source.list
06:41<fxiny>bpo ? i remember offering sarge xen long ago
06:41<george>err
06:41<george>bad. retry.
06:41<george>Xaya: you don't have to have that if you don't want: look at your /etc/apt/sources.list
06:41<george>sources not source
06:41<fxiny>i do miss this xen thingy bloody hell : i must get another box
06:41<Xaya>oh yes i forgot about it thx george
06:42[~]george patpats his /etc/apt/sources.list.m4 :)
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06:43<fxiny>george: xen 3.0_3 at bpo site
06:43<lamby>george: That's evil.
06:43<george>that I have
06:43<george>lamby: it works good tho!
06:44<george>recently I had to add a feature to it that removed all deb lines and only left deb-src
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06:46<george>so now I can get unstable (or whichever) sources, build them, switch back
06:47<george>truely evil would have been /etc/apt/sources.list.cpp
06:47<fxiny>cpp ?
06:47<fxiny>any .pl ?
06:47<george>err no, cppp is what the preprocessor is called
06:48<george>the idea being I can turn on/off parts of my sources.list
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06:48<fxiny>pinning mate
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06:48<george>I'll learn pinning....
06:48<george>someday...
06:49<Xaya>this is huge !!!!!! even Azureus is working bugs-free in my sys ......
06:50<fxiny>azureus ? too piggy for me : rtorrent rox
06:50[~]Xaya is right now in eaven please call back later :-)
06:50<george>yeah, I saw that at backports,,, but isnt' that a backport to sarge? xen-3.0.3 is already in etch
06:50[~]Xaya is right now in heaven please call back later :-)
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06:50<Xaya>yeay....
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06:51[~]fxiny checks is someone xaya-stole is mushroom*.avi
06:51[~]george tries multipass parse...
06:51<Xaya>Huh !!!!!
06:51<george>still fails at "-stole"
06:52<fxiny>something like that
06:52<Duke_Nuke>If i try to upgrade module-init-tools i get this error
06:52<Duke_Nuke>Setting up module-init-tools (3.3-pre11-4) ...
06:52<Duke_Nuke>dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/man/man5/modules.5.gz' with
06:52<Duke_Nuke> different file `/usr/share/man/man5/modules.modutils.5.gz', not allowed
06:52<Duke_Nuke>how can i solve? (i've alread tried dpkg --force-all)
06:53<george>so a package install is trying to rename one file so it's the same name as an existing file thru a diversion
06:55<Duke_Nuke>george, ok, there's a way to solve it?
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06:57<george>which is the file that already exists before the package install?
06:57<fxiny>is not the same file
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06:58<george>yes I understand that
06:58<george>does exist /usr/share/man/man5/modules.modutils.5.gz ?
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06:59<Duke_Nuke>yes
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07:00<george>ok,
07:00<Duke_Nuke>it exist
07:00<george>does exist /usr/share/man/man5/modules.modutils.5.gz ?
07:00<Duke_Nuke>george, yes
07:00<george>they both exist...
07:00<Duke_Nuke>george, if i rename it, it works
07:00<george>great :)
07:01<Duke_Nuke>thanks!
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07:01<fxiny>good shot
07:01<george>that's good... but I can't figure out what the problem is and/or how to get the files right
07:01<Garp>Any idea about my Question: Since a few days, by wireless card doesnt work properly (I can scan, but not connect) - (Airport Extreme on ibook G4). Any suggestion? Thanks.
07:02<george>Garp: see... I'm not familiar with wireless...
07:02<george>but
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07:03<george>there might be more info available to you, for example if you were to watch logs while trying to connect you might either go "AHA, that's the problem", fix, done... or you might notice log activity when you connect that you -don't- actually understand
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07:04<Garp>george: yes ?
07:05<Garp>george: hummm... There is nothing much to see unfortunately
07:05<george>if you see activity that you don't understand you can at least pastebin it and show someone
07:05<uruclef>I need help with my laptopt's monitor backlight
07:05<george>are you watching the action of the log while you connect?
07:05<uruclef>it's turned to max and I can't change it
07:05<uruclef>with fn keys
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07:07<george>Garp: like, are you doing tail -f (some somewhat interesting logfile) in one term, and trying to connect in another?
07:09<Garp>george: yes, but while you're telling me that, I can see a line I didnt notified
07:09<Garp>george: I'm looking at it and be back if I've no solution from this
07:09<Garp>george: thanks
07:10<george>like, this is a stupid example, but if you're watching the log, and every time you connect it says "wireless: my foot itches" and you tell someone that and for some reason they know something that could lead to a solution... do you see what I'm getting at?
07:11<Garp>george: Yes, right now, I can see Oct 13 13:53:33 ibook2 kernel: SoftMAC: Open Authentication with xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx failed, error code: 1
07:12<Garp>george: but I've browsed the web for his with nothing very concluding
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07:13<george>well the first thing to find out is what does error code one mean in this context
07:14<Garp>george: iwconfig says "Link Quality=0/100" and "Bit Rate=1 Mb/s", both looking unrealistic
07:15<widrone>Garp: The softmac seems to not being able to authent properly with the AP.
07:15<widrone>Garp: wep / wap(2) / nothing ? What encryption?
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07:15<Garp>george: to me, there's a problem with the driver version that's ship with my current kernel (2.6.22-2-powerpc), but I really dont know what to do...
07:16<Garp>widrone: it's wep
07:16<george>Garp: here is -exact- case in point! more info leads to more people able to comment
07:16<Garp>widrone: but I had similar faiure on some unecrypted network 2 days ago...
07:16<george>it's because now instead of you just asking a question you're participating in a conversation
07:17<george>and as a result of all this you're now better at reporting problems :)
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07:17<george>ok, so this is not immediately solving your original problem...
07:17<george>but -believe- me, this is good!
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07:18<Garp>widrone: I can scan (iwlist sc) and it works. but the dhclient always fails
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07:19<widrone>Garp: Only time I was dealing directly with this softmac it was in Ubuntu, and I did not get that working either. Althu the errors you describe are a bit simmilar.
07:19<Garp>widrone: hum :-( not good news...
07:20<george>why? you were thinking of switching? :)
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07:20<Garp>widrone: is there a PPC debian chanel? Maybe there people have meet that problem more often
07:20<gsimmons>Garp: Try #debianppc.
07:20<Garp>gsimmons: thanks, I'll
07:21<widrone>Garp: Well there is debian-arm so Im guessing yes.
07:21<Aleric>Where does mutt store it's mail aliases?
07:22<george>what version of xen is in lenny amd64?
07:22<Aleric>nm, I found it
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07:24<Aleric>george: none?
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07:24<Garp>gsimmons: went there, nobody...
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07:25<george>Aleric: would that imply the xen in unstable had bugs?
07:25<Risjh>!unstable
07:25<dpkg>it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
07:25<Aleric>Hmm, I see xen-hypervisor-3.1-1-amd64 3.1.0-2 in testing
07:25<gsimmons>Garp: Hmm? There's ~10 in OFTC's channel at the moment.
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07:26<george>Risjh: oh, this is because I said the word "unstable" :)
07:27<Risjh>george, i wanted to be sure unstable!=lenny :)
07:27<Aleric>george: The correct way to find that info is:
07:27<george>Risjh: ahh, as far as I know, lenny is testing
07:27<Aleric>apt-get update; apt-cache search xen-hypervisor; apt-cache policy <each of the hypervisors returned>
07:28<Risjh>yep :)
07:28<Aleric>Risjh: You misunderstand george
07:28<george>there';s a lot of that going around :P
07:28<Risjh>Aleric, now i am connfused
07:28<Aleric>He asks if there is xen in testing, I say none, so he says 'does that imply that xen in unstable has bugs', seems clear to me
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07:29<Risjh>ah
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07:30<Aleric>3.0 is only in unstable, the version of 3.1 is the same in testing and unstable.
07:30<george>but he found a hypervisor of the version that, well, I want :)
07:30<george>what?? there is 3.1 in testing??
07:30<george>I like it!
07:31<george>err sorry
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07:31<george>what?? there is 3.1 in etch??
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07:31<Aleric>?
07:31<Garp>thanks eveybody for your help, I dont have time right now to stay, will come back later if it's still not working
07:31<Aleric>etch is stable
07:31<george>ok I misunderstood this time
07:31<Aleric>sid = unstable (always), lenny = testing, etch = stable, these days.
07:31<george>yes, that part I understand
07:32<Aleric>apt-cache policy xen-hypervisor-3.1-1-amd64
07:32<Aleric> 3.1.0-2 0
07:32<Aleric> 990 http://ftp.nl.debian.org testing/main Packages
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07:32<george>when you said this, I stopped understanding: 3.0 is only in unstable, the version of 3.1 is the same in testing and unstable.
07:32<Aleric>I hope you understand now?
07:33<Aleric>Actually, it has a weird name.
07:33<widrone>Garp: What driver does that card use again, some broadcom I persume.
07:33<Aleric>The name is xen-hypervisor-3.0-unstable-1-amd64
07:33<gsimmons>!tell Garp -about bcm43xx-fwcutter
07:33<Garp>widrone: yes :-( Broadcom
07:33<Aleric>That has 'unstable' in it -- hence it's only in unstable :p
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07:33<AleXXandEr>hi all
07:33<widrone>Garp: Can you have a look at this url and the followup thread? http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bcm43xx-dev/2006-July/002106.html
07:33<george>oh... so what you're saying is there is 3.0 AND 3.1 in unstable?
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07:34<Aleric>It seem so
07:34<Risjh>I have having some problems while using the mic, whenever any application tries to use the mic ( skype, sound recorder) the app hangs, and i have to force quit it, anyone know what the problem might be?
07:34<Garp>widrone: thanks :-) I'm :-)
07:34<george>ok
07:34<widrone>Garp: Its a bit old thu, so any of those problem should in theory (probably) be solved. ;)
07:34<AleXXandEr>how can i switch depth of Xorg to 32 ? because with 24 my videocard works bad(ati radeon 9100, free xorg driver ati)
07:35<AleXXandEr>in windows it's ok with 32 bit
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07:35<Aleric>I'd guess that 3.0 doesn't work with the latest kernel, they patches/hacked it to work anyway under unstable (hence the name including 'unstable') but was never included in testing. However, 3.1 just works.
07:35<widrone>Garp: But gsimmons seems to really be pointing out something interesting, the firmware that is. You have it, do ya?
07:36<Risjh>!synaptics
07:36<dpkg>synaptics is probably a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html
07:36<Aleric>I have xen installed... that is, I'm quite sure since I'm running winblows XP in it... or not? Hmm, I guess not. I thought I had xen, apparently I am using something else.
07:36<AleXXandEr>if i set 32 depth, xorg say Given depth (32) is not supported by radeon driver
07:36<Garp>widrone: yes, I do (it used to work)
07:36<george>ok... I heard something about waldi@d.o backporting 3.1 to etch... is there something I can read that would elaborate?
07:36<Aleric>I'm use qemu
07:36<george>and hold that thought... brb :)
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07:37<Aleric>What this kernel module that makes qemu fast?
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07:37<fxiny>kemu ?
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07:37<Aleric>kvm
07:37<Aleric>ii kvm 36-0.1 Full virtualization on x86 hardware
07:37<Garp> /msg dpkg paster
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07:38<Aleric>So, I have kvm and qemu. Works great. No xen needed.
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07:38<Aleric>It's better than xen even imho - if you have a processor that can do it, and I bet any amd64 can.
07:38<fxiny>s/kqemu/kemu
07:38<Aleric>ii qemu 0.9.0+20070816-1 fast processor emulator
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07:39<widrone>Garp: Right, the "used to work" bit. Damn that I say. Guess there is always links on http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html to wade thru for hints.
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07:43<george>Aleric: my amd64 does have svm flag
07:44<Garp>widrone: thanks, I take note too.
07:44<george>also from what I've heard amd64s revF and beyond (they're shipping revG now)
07:44<george>one thing, revGs can have svm turned off in the bios
07:45<Garp>widrone: Thanks, I have to go now...
07:45<Garp>Thanks to eveybody.
07:45<Garp>bye
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07:52<Risjh>!sound
07:52<dpkg>sound is, like, ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard
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08:11<Bedivere>hi there
08:11<Bedivere>i need help, is anybody available to help me?
08:11<gsimmons>!ask
08:11<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
08:13<Bedivere>the problem is that when I was installing wordpress somehow phpmyadmin got screwed in the process and now I can't access through the browser
08:13<Bedivere>I'm running apache2 on debian etch
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08:15<Bedivere>I suppouse I've made a mistake at some point, the apache-default folder dissapeared also from /var/www/
08:15<Bedivere>but the phpmyadmin is still present
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08:32<djtansey>does anyone know a way to get a list of packages that i chose to install (as opposed to dependencies?) i am about to reinstall my machine and would like to know what to reinstall afterwards. (as a backup, i have dpkg -l > packages.installed but thats 220k...)
08:33<gsimmons>djtansey: dpkg --get-selections "*"
08:33<cahoot>!reinstall
08:33<dpkg>rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install
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08:35<djtansey>gsimmons: thank you sir!
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08:37<mate>Hello, somebody from Hungary?
08:38<rpetre>does anybody here uses barry.sf.net for syncing with a blackberry device? is it reliable? is there anything better?
08:38<JasonS>!hu
08:38<dpkg>rumour has it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t.
08:39<mate>thanks a lot
08:39[~]fxiny learns high tech good manners : bofh uni lesson 35
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08:45<gazoline>hello
08:45<mate>you are welcome
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08:47<debchi>hello everybody
08:47<prahal>hi
08:47<debchi>hi prahal
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08:48<prahal>is SPI taking steps to be involved in the battle against IP Innovation ?
08:48<debchi>do you know if is there an expert LPIC certification ?
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08:53<prahal>debchi, LPIC-3 ?
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08:55<prahal>http://www.lpi.org/en/lpi/english/certification/new_lpic_3/lpic_3_launch_date_january_2007
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08:57<bcochofel>can someone help me with isolinux? I need a way to get my etch box configurations on a dvd, with all the programs
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09:06<rootest>hi all
09:06<rootest>Please help with software raid
09:07<JasonS>rootest: what about it
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09:08<rootest>troubles with created arrays
09:08<rootest>mdadm --create - for create array, but how I can delete array?
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09:09<Aero>heyho <-- really got a problem --- Need help to config my debian (without any x-server) for my network connection
09:10<azeem>Aero: edit /etc/network/interfaces
09:10<Aero>there i do not knowHOW
09:10<Aero>cause:
09:10<Aero>i got a router, whith NAT an virtual server mode
09:10<Aero>it is needed to get from him the IP
09:10<azeem>via dhcp?
09:11<Aero>at the DHCP interface of my router he got allways 192.168.0.10
09:11<azeem>who is "he" here?
09:11<Aero>it is a stupid old router -_-
09:11<rootest>And else when i try to create new array, mdadm says, what my devices is busi
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09:12<Aero>so i need like in windoes: dynamic IP Adress, DNS from 192.168.0.1
09:12<azeem>what box is 192.168.0.1?
09:12<Aero>but the problem is, he connects to internet and can update etc but: with 10.0.2.2 --
09:12<Aero>Siemens SES 515
09:12<azeem>please be more specific
09:13<azeem>who is "he", again?
09:13<Aero>the box is my inet router like a fritzbox -_-
09:13<azeem>if you talk about two machines, and say "he", it's unclear whether you mean the computer or the router
09:13<Aero>ok, from startpoint:
09:13<Aero>Router (dsl router) 192.168.0.1 with DHCP client table and dns
09:13<azeem>you still haven't made clear why standard dhcp doesn't work
09:14<Aero>my computer (on a virtual machine) should connect to him and should be able to use in my local area network
09:14<azeem>so the host on that computer can connect fine?
09:14<azeem>just not the virtual machine?
09:14<Aero>if i just use in interfaces iface eth0 inet dhcp i get 10.0.2.2
09:15<Aero>every windows computer connects perfctly
09:15<azeem>then check your router's config for the IP range to hand out on dhcp requests
09:15<Aero>192.168.0.2-192.168.0.254
09:15<azeem>Aero: what kind of virtual machine is this, and is the host running WIndows?
09:17<Aero>i run windows, i got a virtual machin MS Vritual PC with windows 2000, and a virtual Box with debian, the windowses has internet, via dhcp and 192.168.0.1 as the dns
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09:17<azeem>Aero: I assume the virtual machine runs its own dhcp server as service to the virtual clients
09:17<azeem>see what you get as gateway and whether you can ping that
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09:18<azeem>and whether you can further ping e.g
09:18<azeem>209.85.135.147
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09:19<Aero_>i hate disconnects -_-
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09:19<qweo>Can somebody suggest, how to purge configuration files of alredy removed packages?
09:20<azeem>qweo: dpkg -P <package>
09:20<qweo>i mean of all the removed packages
09:20<azeem>qweo: run a for look on dpkg -l | grep ^.rc output or so
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09:21<azeem>^rc rather
09:21<qweo>thanks
09:22<Aero_>azeem, 100% packet loss
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09:22<Aero_>but with apt-get install it takes files from the internet -_-
09:22<fenix>oi
09:22<Aero_>route:
09:22<fenix>hi
09:22<Aero_>10.0.2.0 * 255.255.255.0
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09:22<Aero_>and:
09:22<fenix>I need some help
09:23<Aero_>default 10.0.0.2 0.0.0.0
09:23<azeem>Aero_: so it works
09:23<azeem>Aero_: read the documentation of this Virtual Server your using to fix further problems
09:24<fenix>i have a real angel 330 but it doen't work on kernel 2.6 20, Could you help me/?
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09:24<Aero_>the point is, virtual box can connect with ubuntu and it get a real ip of my router
09:25<azeem>so maybe that session is configured differently
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09:25<azeem>I don't believe this is a Debian issue
09:25<fenix>karaioooo
09:26<fenix>could help me!!!!!!!!!!!
09:26<azeem>fenix: stop that
09:26<azeem>fenix: if somebody knows the answer, they will answer, be patient
09:26<azeem>and maybe repeat the question in a couple of hours
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09:40<RandomJohn>hi there, can anyone tell me, at which source i may find the packages: nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx
09:40<widrone>george: Just to pingback from the error in installer earlier today. The person redid it with another usb enclosure, and everything was fine.
09:41<Cripps>good morning. I'm running Lenny on an aceer 5610, I have an Intel 82810G (ICH 7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02), and I'm trying to get my microphone working with ekiga. It appears as though I'm having an issue with getting full duplex sound. I can hear myself through my speakers when I turn up my mic volume and mic boost in alsamixer, but using a program like recordmydesktop or ekiga, they get no inpu
09:41<Cripps>t from my mic. Has anybody had this problem, or does anybody know where I might start lookiong for a solution?
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09:42<RandomJohn>cause, i can't find the packages in aptitude, nor have an idea, where to look for the source
09:42<gsimmons>RandomJohn: They're in non-free.
09:42<gsimmons>!tell RandomJohn -about non-free sources
09:43<RandomJohn>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free, for lenny, then?
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09:44<gsimmons>RandomJohn: That should be fine.
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09:44<RandomJohn>hm, cause i'm not findig it with aptitude
09:44<RandomJohn>:\
09:45<gsimmons>RandomJohn: Did you run "aptitude update" to update the list of available packages?
09:45<RandomJohn>gsimmons: i did... i can find nvidia-kernel-common and the legacy-source, tho
09:46<RandomJohn>but nothing which actualy seems to contain the kernelmodule
09:46<cahoot>Cripps: no 'capture' switch to toggle?
09:47<Cripps>cahoot, nope.
09:48<RandomJohn>gsimmons: i modified my xorg.conf driverline from "nvidia" to "nv" to get my dm working, but sooner or later i need "nvidia", to get 3D support
09:48<cahoot>Cripps: if you close all other soundapps and try to do a recording using arecord - still only silence?
09:48<Cripps>cahoot, er, there's two "input source" "switches" in alsamixer, I set one to mic, and the other to cd.
09:48<Cripps>cahoot, give me a second, I'll try that.
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09:49<gsimmons>RandomJohn: Ah, those packages don't appear (at this time) to be available in testing. According to p.d.o., at least.
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09:49<RandomJohn>gsimmons: so i need the proprietary driver from nvidia?
09:49<debed>hi
09:50<Cripps>cahoot, yeah, no joy :(
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09:50<Cripps>oop ... wait a sec ...
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09:50<Cripps>heh, forgot about one app .. testing again
09:50<madmix_>buon giorno a tutti cercavo una chat in italiano
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09:51<Cripps>cahoot, yeah ... still no joy :/
09:51<RandomJohn>brb
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09:51<RandomJohn>just a last question... what was the command for stopping dm?
09:52<cahoot>Cripps: I'll make a try on my laptop
09:52<Cripps>cahoot, do you have the same audio controller as I do?
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09:53<cahoot>Cripps: hda-intel yes but probably not the same
09:53<Cripps>ah.
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09:56<cahoot_>Cripps, well it did work som basically the test I suggested is correct
09:56<cahoot_>s/som/so/
09:57<Aero_>virtual box sux -_-
09:58<gsimmons>RandomJohn: It's generally preferred to use the 'nvidia-glx' package. You can backport the version in unstable (100.14.19-1), or wait for it to be accepted into testing.
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09:58<RandomJohn>gsimmons: thx for help :) back again with 3D support
09:58<Cripps>cahoot, yeah .. I think it might be an ssue with my specific controller ... there used to be issues just getting sound to work at all ...
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09:58<Cripps>(that was before I got my hands on this hardware though)
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09:59<cahoot_>Cripps, you don't happen to have mm instead of 00 at the bottom of internal mic in alsamixer?
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10:00<Cripps>cahoot, no, I can hear myself on the mic through my headphones.
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10:00<cahoot_>so it's the headset mic you're testing?
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10:01<Cripps>yeah.
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10:01<cahoot_>i e alsa hw:1?
10:01<Cripps>it has 2 plugs, one for the mic, and one for the headphones, so I'd be able to hear myself even without the headphones pluged in.
10:02<Cripps>nope. Just regular mic and "speakers" ;)
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10:05<cahoot_>Cripps, this happens here with headset: I can record - but output is silent on spekaers audible only if I connect headphones
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10:07<Cripps>cahoot_, well, through arecord/aplay, I'm not getting any discernable output recorded from the mic (headphones plugged in or otherwise), so that leads me to assume that there is something worng with the recording device on my audio controller :/
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10:08<Cripps>although, I can get normal audio out ... headphones or otherwise.
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10:12<cahoot_>Cripps, unplugging the external mic doesn't allow recording (audible) from internal?
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10:12<Cripps>cahoot, the internal mic doesn't work either.
10:13<cahoot_>Cripps, ok won't bother you more about it
10:13<Cripps>cahoot_, well ... thanks for trying.
10:14<Cripps>although, both the internal mic and the external are the same ... I can hear them, but I can't record them.
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10:15<kondo>ghh
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10:16<kondo>klkl
10:16<kondo>;
10:17<fxiny>liza liza
10:17<fxiny>:)
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10:18<cahoot_>Cripps, in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state I have this: name 'Capture Source' value IntMic
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10:22<Cripps>cahoot_, interesting ... I have Capture Volume, and Capture Switch, but no Capture Source
10:22<Cripps>cahoot, would you PM me that whole control.XX{} section?
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10:23<cahoot_>can paste all of asound.state
10:23<joePAIN>hey guys, i'm having problems with my gfx on my laptop under debian
10:24<Cripps>cahoot_, that would be awesome, thanks.
10:24<Cripps>joePAIN, what kind of graphics card do you have?
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10:24<joePAIN>i have a geforce 440 go 64M card, but in the xorg.conf file it comes up as a 32M version
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10:24<Cripps>joePAIN, then manually set it to the 64 M
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10:25<cahoot_>Cripps, http://paste.debian.net/39620
10:25<Cripps>cahoot_, thanks. taking a look now.
10:25<joePAIN>well i changed the identifier to nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go 64M] i'm just not sure how to check if its worked
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10:27<joePAIN>i also seem to be limited to 24bit color, when im sure under windows it goes up to 32bit
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10:29<greenmang0>joePAIN: try lshw
10:29<cahoot_>joePAIN, in X you get 24 + 8 (alpha?)
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10:30<Cripps>cahoot, yeah, it's 8 bits alpha
10:30<joePAIN>product: NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M]
10:30<joePAIN>:(
10:30<joePAIN>its a 440 go 64M
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10:30<Cripps>cahoot_, heh, I've got "Input Source" not "Capture Source"
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10:31<joePAIN>greenmang0, any idea how i'd change it to the 440 64M? like i said i changed the identifier in xorg.conf, but its come up as that in lshw
10:32<cahoot_>joePAIN, if you don't specify mem size - x still gets it wrong?
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10:33<Cripps>joePAIN, add this to your "Device" section: VideoRam 65536
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10:33<joePAIN>yeah i think so, i only installed debian on my laptop yesterday, and X ran automatically, its been on 32M 420 go since
10:33<Cripps>cahoot_, it sometimes does that.
10:33<Cripps>... especially on integrated cards.
10:34<Cripps>joePAIN, (I had to use spaces, but you'll want to use a tab instead)
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10:34<Cripps>heh, I have a 256 Mb video card in my laptop ... but I set it to 128 instead :D
10:35<joePAIN>okay ive added VideoRam "65536" to the xorg.conf, ill restart X now and check lshw
10:35[~]Cripps has 2Gb system memory
10:35<Cripps>go for it.
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10:35<cahoot_>using the 128 for other purposes?
10:36<Cripps>cahoot_, it's nice to have more for my system ... I don't think this system has used any swap at all yet.
10:36<greenmang0>!user cloak
10:36<Cripps>besides ... I dont make heavy use of my graphics card.
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10:37<greenmang0>!cloak
10:37<dpkg>rumour has it, cloak is a disguise for your IP address over the IRC network. or, what James Bond do, using his DB9 to make an impression on girls.
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10:37<Cripps>... I just use it to make sure X is nice and smooth and responsive ... and the occasional 3d game.
10:37<greenmang0>abrotman: how can I get user cloak?
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10:38<abrotman>greenmang0: on oftc ? or freenode?
10:38<abrotman>i don't have a cloak here
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10:38<joePAIN>hmmpf, lshw still shows it as the 32M version
10:38<greenmang0>abrotman: on oftc
10:38<abrotman>i guess ask an oftc staff memeber .. but i'm not sure they give them out
10:38<abrotman>oh .. i guess they do
10:38<cahoot_>Cripps, the kernel just gets hold of the videoRAM without any special doing from you?
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10:39<greenmang0>abrotman: ok...let me try
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10:39<abrotman>oh .. cloaks only for staff apparently
10:40<Cripps>cahoot_, well, since it's an integrated card it uses shared system memory ... so if the graphics card isn't using part of its share, the kernel takes back what belongs to it ;)
10:40<abrotman>http://www.oftc.net/oftc/UserCloaks?highlight=%28cloak%29
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10:41<cahoot_>Cripps, ok
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10:42<ivan__>Powertop is recommending me to recompile my kernle with CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY activated, however, i cannot find this option in menuconfig. Am using 2.6.23 on a sony vgn-fe41m (core2 duo) with the latest acpi patch from http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/patches/release/2.6.23/ (info -> lesswats.org)
10:42<joePAIN>im also limited in my display resolution it seems as well, in the xorg.conf it goes up to 1600 x 1200, but im limited to 1280 x800 when i try to set it through gnome
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10:42<arguapacha>Hi. I just read the DebianIRC FAQ and it does not say if I can just "apt-get remove gnome" and I get rid of all this crappy stuff. Can I take the risk? I want my kde back :P
10:43<Cripps>okay, I'm headed over to the freenode room to see if anyone there can help me with my mic input problem.
10:43<greenmang0>abrotman: http://www.oftc.net/oftc/UserCloaks
10:44<abrotman>yes .. the same one i posted above
10:44<greenmang0>abrotman: oops... was reading that page... so didn't notice
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10:45<gsimmons>!tell arguapacha -about remove gnome
10:45<Cripps>arguapacha, *theoretically* you could do: apt-cache search gnome > gnome.txt; apt-get remove --purge < gnome.txt; apt-get install kdm kde-core
10:46<Cripps>heh, I'm not a bot ... that was just great timing ;)
10:46<arguapacha>LOL ^O^ thanks a lot!
10:46<greenmang0>arguapacha: better use aptitude
10:47<Cripps>arguapacha, mind you, I've never used the first two commands in that set before.
10:47<Cripps>hm ... although, on second thought, they wouldn't work without some stripping and stuff.
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10:48<Cripps>arguapacha, you're probably better off listening to greenmang0 on this one.
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10:49<arguapacha>yes... I just found the aptitude section... but that's a graphical program isn't it? can I just remove gnome and then install KDE and in the next reboot everything would be kde only?
10:49<arguapacha>*theoretically* ?
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10:50<arguapacha>ohh nonono... I am sorry... I was mistaken
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10:51<arguapacha>I opened synaptic PM and thought it was aptitude... I will use aptitude then... thanks a lot
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10:51<arguapacha>see you in a couple of hours ;)
10:51<arguapacha>bb
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10:53<Tb0n3>:( I just installed me sum debian and it's running really really slow on my laptop here, the mouse goes at most 1/15th of the screen per touchpad full swipe and the writing is laggy
10:54<Cripps>cahoot, I WIn~!!!!!!!
10:55<cahoot>Cripps: what was the trick?
10:55<Cripps>cahoot, "apt-get install alsa-oss; /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload"
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10:56<rudenstam>I got a problem with a hard drive, I got sata_promise included in kernel and my card shows up in dmesg, the disk that's connected does not thoug, all 4 channels are printed as link down.. tried different cables and different ports, no luck.. any tips ?
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10:57<cahoot>Cripps: borders on alchemy
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10:57<widrone>I may be mistaken, but dont sata show logicaly as scsi subsystem?
10:58<Cripps>hahaha :)
10:58<Cripps>just about :P
10:58<widrone>rudenstam: If it does that, do you have all the scsi modules you need?
10:58<Cripps>why it uses oss for the mic, I have no idea.
10:58<cahoot>Cripps: so you use dsp now?
10:59<rudenstam>widrone: actually... it's a knoppix booted, I would think so... as it prints the card info in dmesg..
10:59<Cripps>cahoot, yeah.
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10:59<kingsley>rudenstam: I'm unfamiliar with that particular error message, but if I encountered it, I'd probably search Google's indices for it.
10:59<Tb0n3>holy hell this is running slow, but it's a 1.6GHz pentium M
10:59<widrone>Tb0n3: "sum debian", is that like etch-sum?
10:59<Tb0n3>etch
10:59<cahoot>Cripps: anyway congrats
10:59<Cripps>thanks :)
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11:00<widrone>Tb0n3: Anything spewing out in the logs maybe, some little hint?
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11:00<rudenstam>kingsley: well.. it's not any error message, it's just that the disk seems to be "not found"
11:00<widrone>!knoppix
11:00<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
11:00<Tb0n3>I just installed it and it's running slower than I've ever seen, even slower than my 366MHz
11:00<rudenstam>I am aware of that widrone.. but you're usually way more helpful ;)
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11:01<weasel>doesn't matter
11:01<Tb0n3>well, when I first installed I specified partitions, a swap of 2GB and the main / of 40GB and it said it couldn't recognize the swap
11:01<weasel>if you are running knoppix and not debian then you are wrong here.
11:01<widrone>rudenstam: Helpfull to the brink! Just wanted to point it out to you incase someone will start cutting you to pieces later on.
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11:02<widrone>Tb0n3: Pentium M, does that make your hardware like a loptop or something?
11:02<Tb0n3>YES
11:02<Tb0n3>er
11:02<Tb0n3>yes, a laptop
11:02<Tb0n3>2MB l2 cache and 1.6GHz
11:02<rudenstam>widrone: hehe.. thanks... asked there too, no reply at all
11:02<widrone>Tb0n3: That is usefull info, laptops sometimes need special boot pararmeters etc since they contain alot of special hw.
11:03<Tb0n3>it's a sony vaio, any links on stuff for that?
11:03<Tb0n3>vgn-640/w
11:03<Tb0n3>well, that's part of it
11:03<Tb0n3>:/
11:03<Tb0n3>I'll look at linuxlaptops
11:03<Tb0n3>ubuntu was running fine, but I hate ubuntu
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11:04<widrone>Tb0n3: That is a good place to start looking into it, the linux on laptops page often have links to usefull info if you dont bother spending some time on it.
11:05<anessen>you hate ubuntu?
11:05[~]widrone then dons his anti-sony hat instead.
11:06<Tb0n3>what?
11:06<Tb0n3>my sony does just fine, but as far as compiling anything on ubuntu it's a pain in the ass
11:07<widrone>Tb0n3: No, hat. ;) Im guessing its some wierd nodma/noapic/no-sonething that ubuntu passed but debian dont.
11:07<anessen>I do find that Ubuntu does have a lot of things that get in the way instead of help
11:07<widrone>Then again, Im used to thinkpads so I am probably biased...
11:08<Tb0n3>well, the only linux-laptop page for my model is fedora core and is a dead link
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11:09<widrone>Tb0n3: top / ps / logs give _no_ indication to what is eating your system resources at all?
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11:09<yoel>Does anyone here have expirence with Compiz installation with debian (etch)?
11:10<Tb0n3>nothing is eating my system resources
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11:10<widrone>yoel: Did the debian wiki help? Its got some page on it.
11:10<Tb0n3>max is 15% at times from dpkg cause I'm using aptitude
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11:12<rudenstam>widrone: I need libata, scsi disk and sata_promise right ?
11:13<yoel>widrone : Okie, I'll go check it, thanks :)
11:13<widrone>rudenstam: Not sure really, just figured there was some modules missing since you could see one end of the cable but not the other. Im abit unsure of how the sata stuff is set up since I havent got a satadisk myself.
11:14<yoel>widrone : Yes, I did allready all the instrubction there
11:14<yoel>widrone : And it didn't work.. It still reset my X
11:15<widrone>yoel: Hm, thats the only think I could pry from dpkg brains. :(
11:16<yoel>widrone: Oh.. :-/ well, thanks anyway
11:16<Tb0n3>it booted slow...
11:16<rudenstam>widrone: okey...
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11:17<widrone>Im not really helping anyone, am I? Just making conversation, yet still giving the impression I am. :)
11:17<Tb0n3>what's apci?
11:17<widrone>Tb0n3: Powersaving spec.
11:18<widrone>!apci
11:18<dpkg>rumour has it, apci is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface, an extremely complex standard for OS-controlled power management on PC compatibles. Many systems have broken hardware implementations, causing Linux to have problems.
11:18<Tb0n3>well, it's running at full power
11:18<Tb0n3>err
11:18<Tb0n3>full ghz, but how do I disable it?
11:19<widrone>Pass noapic at bootup to the kernel.
11:19<Tb0n3>and wouldn't it be acpi if that's the correctness?
11:19<Tb0n3>yeah, how would I do that
11:19<Tb0n3>sorry, I just am not a linux guru yet
11:19<widrone>The bootstanza in grubs menu.lst I think be the best place, or manually for a 1-shot boot.
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11:20<Tb0n3>any kinda link on step by step?
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11:21<widrone>Tb0n3: Aint got no i386 platfor with grub on to access atm. Im guessing there is grub/boot howtos.
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11:23<Tb0n3>where is menu.lst located?
11:23<Tb0n3>in the boot sector?
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11:23<Tb0n3>mbr*
11:23<the_bull>hello all
11:23<widrone>Tb0n3: /boot/grub/ if I dont remember wrongly.
11:23<the_bull>i m facing a strange problem
11:24<the_bull>i cannot open any webpages.. .while i can open messenger and this irc
11:24<the_bull>plz. help me...
11:24<the_bull>what will be the problem???
11:24<widrone>Tb0n3: Its the grub manual, it may be overkill but its got some examples here : http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#GNU_002fLinux
11:24<widrone>the_bull: You are able to make outgoing connections, but not to port 80?
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11:25<the_bull>widrone, yes.. .may be
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11:25<the_bull>widrone, i cannot browse...but i can open xchat and other messenger
11:25<widrone>the_bull: what about "telnet google.com 80" does that work? ;)
11:26<the_bull>widrone, connection refused
11:26<widrone>the_bull: So something on the way is firewalling off your port 80 it seems to me.
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11:28<widrone>Tb0n3: The "noapic" option is the one you want to pass to the kernel from the bootloader, if that is indeed the trouble.
11:28<Tb0n3>but there's a lot of crap in the menu.lst
11:28<Tb0n3>where would I put it?
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11:29<Tb0n3>oh, I see
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11:29<widrone>Tb0n3: That crap is booting your linux so be nice to it ;)
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11:29<Tb0n3>yeah, I see where to though
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11:29<Tb0n3>noacpi pci=noapci
11:29<Tb0n3>that's right, isn't it?
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11:30<Tb0n3>well, time to reboot, not a problem if it fails cause I'll just reinstall
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11:30<widrone>Tb0n3: Id advice to making an extra boot line and add the options to that. Incase it wlows up you just use the generic one again.
11:31<widrone>Then again I think there is a rescue bootline in there by default already.
11:31<marc_>I am running testing, and have noticed the docs for vlc but no actual vlc, is it a repo problem or something I need to add to my repo list, I have debian-multimedia enabled?
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11:32<widrone>marc_: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html <- is wrong in other words?
11:33<marc_>widrone, I am just used to other distros having in the repos, just switched from ubuntu this morning, thanks for the info
11:33<Risjh>hi can someone help, my microphone doesnt work, and every time some app tries to use it it crashes.
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11:35<marc_>widrone, that page says its in the repos, but I only see the docs for it...
11:36<widrone>marc_: I know, thats why I asked if that page is wrong. And it seems it is...
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11:37<marc_>widrone, what would be you suggestion?
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11:38<EstaNocheBA28>hello
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11:38<kfv>hi
11:38<Supaplex>bye... :P
11:38<kfv>:)
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11:38<Supaplex>humm. /alias driveby { /say "Hi" ; /part }
11:39<Supaplex>or something. :p
11:39<widrone>marc_: Seems you are absulutley right. Its in unstable and stable. No testing. Hmmm...
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11:39<marc_>widrone, I can mix stable/testing or test/unstable correct?
11:40<widrone>marc_: I am not going to answer that, its a "break my system" question and I dont know ;)
11:40<marc_>widrone, fair answer
11:40<marc_>widrone, thanks
11:41<widrone>marc_: You could thry to get in contact with the maintainers somehow, you know how to find that info?
11:42<marc_>widrone, thanks, what are you running?
11:42<widrone>marc_: Uhm, etch on arm mostly atm.
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11:43<marc_>widrone, off to other things..thanks again
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11:49<Aicart> /msg dpkg no public key
11:49<Aicart>ais
11:49<Aicart>xD
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11:49<Tb0n3>... noacpi didn't help
11:49<Tb0n3>!acpi
11:49<dpkg>i guess acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports
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11:51<widrone>Hey, thats way more then last time! ;)
11:51<widrone>Tb0n3: Does this sound like it: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/3866
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11:52<widrone>And you better pray that not the one, or else Im gonna googleslap you, hehe.
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11:54<Tb0n3>well, that doesn't seem to be the only problem, I type into terminal and it gets slow
11:54<Tb0n3>brb, resetting x
11:55<yoel>Hi, I'm using etch & gnome, and when I try to change the decoration my X reset, any ideas/
11:55<yoel>?
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11:55<george>yoel: much much more specificker
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11:56<Tb0n3>yeah, didn't help
11:56<Tb0n3>also, no sound
11:56<Tb0n3>:/
11:56<george>"the decoration", what's that
11:56<Tb0n3>stupid laptop
11:56<yoel>george : Like, when I do compiz --replace or beryl --replce, it losts connections to the x
11:56<yoel>I found out the problem is with the part of the decoration
11:56<Tb0n3>friend recommended gentoo, but I like some sort of instructions
11:57<yoel>It wont work when I do gtk-window-decorator --replace as well
11:58<george>what kind of thing do those calls want
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12:00<testi>yoel: can you run opengl without problems, like glxgears
12:00<testi>yoel: seems like your video driver is not correctly installed and requires reinstallation
12:00<yoel>testi : yes
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12:00<yoel>testi : glxgear works great
12:01<yoel>I'm using NVIDIA fx 5500, and drvier 9631 (also tried 100.9.14 (the newest) but it didn't work as well)
12:01<george>yoel: what exactly are you typing? just gtk-window-decorator --replace?
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12:02<yoel>george yes
12:02<george>what is supposed to happen when you do that?
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12:03<yoel>It resets my x
12:03<yoel>it's not suppose to do that
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12:03<saloxin>anyone know a html based drawing tool?
12:03<george>then what is it supposed to do
12:03<yoel>I have no idea
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12:04<yoel> gtk-window-decorator is a window decorator for compiz that uses the Gtk
12:04<yoel> toolkit to provide a look and feel similar to that of the metacity win‐
12:04<saloxin>my network drawings are getting out of control :-/
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12:05<george>saloxin: what are you using now
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12:05<yoel>here, I tried it again , and it reset my X
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12:05<saloxin>george: dia. tried kivio but it crashes all the time
12:06<george>ok, there's this old thing called xfig
12:06<george>what is the html part?
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12:06<saloxin>hihi read about it. don't even want to touch it
12:07<saloxin>I thought it might be a neat idea to "wikify" the drawing - so more ppl can add
12:07<george>that would be a web application
12:07<george>you
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12:07<george>would need some sort of web toolkit to build tha
12:07<george>t
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12:08<saloxin>any already made you know of?
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12:08<george>no... seems a good idea tho
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12:09<yoel_>Did it again, and still resets.
12:09<yoel_>There is something worng with the window decoration system
12:09<yoel_>Any ideas?
12:10<yoel_>I have no idea even how to debug it...
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12:10<yoel_>In /var/log/Xorg.0.log there is no error
12:10<george>saloxin: the xfig storage format I believe is a text file... that would be moreorless perfect for cvs
12:11<george>for display you can convert using transfix
12:11<george>err transfig
12:11<george>maybe dia format is also text
12:12<george>but you'd have to get used to xfig iirc
12:12<widrone>saloxin: Are you the saloxin I think? ;)
12:12<yoel_>Ok, anyway thnaks.......
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12:12<saloxin>widrone: jepp ;-)
12:14<george>saloxin: it
12:14<widrone>saloxin: *hugs* Long time no see. Ill drag you for beer soonish. (I promise!)
12:14<george>is the simplest thing I can think of that could work
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12:16<george>one time I wrote a simple java drawing app
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12:20<george>which involved simple java classes/objects that stored each individual draw shape (lines, boxes, polygons, text) then I found out about serialization and decided to try sending objects to another copy of the app
12:20<george>worked...
12:21<saloxin>any automation? read off network interfaces with munin or something? like this: https://online.humla.info/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain.html#Network
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12:23<george>that kinda looks like mrtg
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12:25<ifvoid>saloxin: or collectd
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12:27<george>mrtg generally uses snmp as a way to measure things
12:28<widrone>But displaying networks as pretty grafix is something someone is bound to have done already?
12:30<saloxin>think i struck gold: http://freshmeat.net/projects/mxgraph/
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12:31<widrone>saloxin: Looks that way, indeed.
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12:32<widrone>saloxin: Non gpl thu, its "Free for non-commercial use".
12:32<saloxin>isj Other/Proprietary License
12:33<saloxin>source if you promise your grandma or somesuch
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12:37<widrone>saloxin: All their "render code" for diagrams seems to be in xml.
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12:57<Risjh>!etch->lenny
12:57<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
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12:59<Risjh>!apt-listbugs
12:59<dpkg>apt-listbugs (apt-get install apt-listbugs) is available since atleast Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to subvert any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>).
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13:07<ziaaddils>Hi, is there a way i can see apt-get history log? i mean something simple that shows what i installed/removed/updated
13:07<stew>ziaaddils: /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude if you use aptitude
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13:11<ziaaddils>stew: thanks thats exactly what i wanted..
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13:29<Aero>is their an good user and group rights tool where i can see all users groups and rights?
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13:30<Lounge>anyone know where i can gets some info on a fluxbox issue with transparency
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13:31<Lounge>the transparency is not transparenting!
13:32<Lounge>but compiz-fusion works - puzzling...
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13:39<saltmiser>has anybody here managed to get both eclipse and azureus working on the same machine at the same time?
13:39<saltmiser>it seems as though when I try to install eclipse, it wants to remove azureus; and vice versa
13:39<saltmiser>any ideas on how to make them both install?
13:39<saltmiser>I'm using sun-java5-jre out of non-free
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13:53<spanther>new kernel out with k7 ending :)
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14:00<vanamar>anyone know a good walkthrough for setting up an ircd with services on debian?
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14:28<MALEADt>quick question: does Tickless kernel make any difference without acpi (and different processor states)?
14:28<alaya>vi ircd.conf and read?
14:30<stew>MALEADt: ask #kernelnewbies
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14:31<MALEADt>ok, ty
14:31<vampirefrog>hi. I'm having trouble installing vlc. apt-cache search vlc shows other packages, but not vlc. I'm using lenny
14:32<streuner>!info vlc testing
14:32<vampirefrog>?
14:32<streuner>dpkg> Package 'vlc' does not exist.
14:32<vampirefrog>:(
14:32<streuner>in testing/lenny, so just something else
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14:32<vampirefrog>it was there until a while ago
14:33<vampirefrog>so what should I do?
14:33<streuner>use xine or mplayer
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14:33<vampirefrog>yes but I have trouble with subtitle with those
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14:33<vampirefrog>mplayer doesn't display the subtitle below the video area, and if the video is wide, the subtitle is at like half of the screen
14:34<vampirefrog>and totem doesn't list the subtitle
14:34<vampirefrog>and xine isn't in the package list either, apparently
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14:34<vampirefrog>oh wait. it is :)
14:34<streuner>xine-ui
14:34<vampirefrog>but still, I'd like to install vlc
14:34<vampirefrog>yeah found that one
14:35<streuner>well, help then about vlc
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14:36<widrone>vlcs long maiden name is videolan (client), she dropped the client after she married thu.
14:37<rtmex>Hello all, I need some help please :). I'm using ls command with -size option to list all files greater than 10Mb, but it seems it is not working isnce it includes files smaller than that
14:37<system>hyllo
14:37<rtmex>here's what I'm typing
14:37<vampirefrog>huh?
14:37<streuner>!maint vlc
14:37<vampirefrog>all I can find is videlan-doc and vls
14:38<dpkg>vlc: Debian multimedia packages maintainers <pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
14:38<widrone>vampirefrog: Oh, you are on lenny. Yes, the vc package is not in lenny for some reason.
14:38<vampirefrog>ah
14:38<rtmex>find /home -type f -size +10M -print | xargs ls -l
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14:38<JasonS>!why is vlc not in lenny
14:38<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, JasonS
14:38<vampirefrog>what can I do then? install from unstable?
14:38<JasonS>doh
14:38<widrone>vampirefrog: Dunno why, but I had this discussion earier today. No there.
14:38<JasonS>!why is vlc not in testing
14:38<dpkg>vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc
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14:39<widrone>JasonS: Thank you, did not think of that earlier when somebody else asked (in the "other" debian channel.
14:39<vampirefrog>ok. how do I install it from unstable? :)
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14:39<streuner>vampirefrog: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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14:40<ziaaddils>how to easily install ntfs-3g on debian etch anyone knows? i would prefer to avoid compiling
14:40<vampirefrog>egn
14:40<vampirefrog>egh*
14:41<vampirefrog>okay. I'll do that later. I have a bigger problem
14:41<vampirefrog>when I boot into windows, my second NTFS partition becomes hidden
14:41<vampirefrog>if I unhide it with fdisk in linux, it becomes hidden again
14:41<vampirefrog>my guess is it's lilo?
14:41<vampirefrog>i'm using lilo.
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14:42<streuner>no
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14:42<vampirefrog>:)
14:42<streuner>lilo says _where_ to find the partitions, not more
14:42<JasonS>!tell ziaaddils about ntfs-3g
14:42<vampirefrog>okay, but what could be the reason?
14:43<streuner>ask ##windows
14:43<vampirefrog>ok :|
14:43<streuner>lilo wouldn't touch your partitions
14:43<weasel>streuner: you are mean.
14:43<vampirefrog>fine. lilo is a saint
14:44<weasel>vampirefrog: ##windows is on freenode
14:44<vampirefrog>ok, I'll give it a shot
14:44<streuner>weasel: that was a joke
14:44<streuner>FN doesnt support closed source too...
14:44<weasel>streuner: vampirefrog tried to join ##windows and #windows here tho
14:45<streuner>ok, we must something clear then
14:45<weasel>streuner: and I know for a fact that this is the wrong network since he created those channels by joining.
14:45<vampirefrog>how can you tell?
14:45<streuner>vampirefrog: OFTC and FN doesn't support closed source.
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14:45<weasel>vampirefrog: I just know - I run this place
14:45<vampirefrog>I know, but i figured it might be a common problem or something :)
14:45<vampirefrog>weasel, heh
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14:47<chaoticmass>How do I know if my modem is working in Debian Etch. Using an older Rockwell modem. lspci lists the modem. What program can I use to test it?
14:47<streuner>chaoticmass: so intern modem?
14:47<streuner>onboard?
14:47<chaoticmass>streuner : yeah an internal pci modem
14:47<chaoticmass>streuner : not onboard
14:47<streuner>!winmodems
14:47<dpkg>GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem>
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14:48<chaoticmass>Assuming I had a happy modem that was supported, how would I test it?
14:48<streuner>you are better up just to buy an extern modem, they are very cheap second hand
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14:51<streuner>winmodems causes only headaches, just throw it into trash
14:51<streuner>you are actually using DSL, why you are asking about modems (dialup)?
14:52<george>chaoticmass: so do you use a modem sometimes?
14:52<george>or do you only use the dsl?
14:53<Requiem>eBay tends to get decent results if you pu tin Linux and Modem
14:53<chaoticmass>streuner: I work at a computer store, trying to setup vgetty to turn an old box into an answering machine. I have my pick of any modem that will work. I figured if I got an old enough internal one it wouldn't be a winmodem and should work.
14:53<Requiem>but try blind dialing and see what kind of error you get
14:53<chaoticmass>Is there some simple program I can install real fast that I can use to try and dial?
14:53<Requiem>(should be no dial tone, not no modem)
14:53<chaoticmass>streuner: Like I said above, I'm trying to build an answering machine
14:53<george>ohh
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14:53<saloxin>chaoticmass: old enough _external_ usually rock
14:53<saloxin>the ones with speakers :-)
14:54<chaoticmass>saloxin : yes I know thank you. I will walk out to ilse 5 and grab one, but when I do have it, HOW will I test it?
14:54<chaoticmass>I'd like to know maybe a simple program that just dials so I can test if my modem is setup right.
14:54<saloxin>i user wvdial ages ago in a while loop
14:55<saloxin>and you need to sync your serial port settings across bios os and app
14:55<saloxin>never usb or pci stuff
14:56<saloxin>uhm, I never used usb or pci stuff i mean
14:58<chaoticmass>Not being sarcastic either, I am literally employeed at a second hand electronics stoe and I can grab a modem that will work.
14:58<chaoticmass>saloxin : I'll try wvdial, thanks
14:59<chaoticmass>saloxin: I'm going to get an external US Robotics 56kf
14:59<chaoticmass>*sans f
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14:59<ziaaddils>!tell alsa
14:59<streuner>yeah, wvdial is good
14:59<simonrvn>ziaaddils: /msg dpkg alsa
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15:00<ziaaddils>is alsa the best for debian etch regarding sound quality?
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15:00<widrone>chaoticmass: a hero of the old age, good choise! ;)
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15:01<widrone>saloxin: You need to break out a gprs enabled cellphone and start doing AT commands over rfcomm links, its almost like the 80s.
15:01<saloxin>aww. havent got one :-(
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15:04<simonrvn>ziaaddils: usually is yes
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15:07<widrone>saloxin: get a class3 (100m) bt dongle and have a look around ;)
15:07<alex88ita>hey
15:07<alex88ita>hello :D
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15:26<chaoticmass>widrone: actually ended up grabbing a Courier V.Everything 56k. Just tested it out, sending modem commands to it over minicom
15:26<chaoticmass>Now I can resume messing with vgetty to try and make this work as an answering machine.
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15:29<george>I'm talking to some folks on #debian-xen about etch, 2.6.18 and xen... but I might as well ask here if anyone has succeeded at combining the three
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15:30<george>oh, xen 3.1 that is, xen 3.0.3 is easy to get going in etch
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15:31<george>and fs says there might be a patch in the svn that puts the 3.1 stuff in the kernel
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15:34<louis>dose anyone know how to set up a gtalk account using Kopete
15:34<black_13>how do i pipe standard error and standard out ot tee and then then to a file?
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15:36<Myon>black_13: foo 2>&1 | tee bla
15:36<george>black_13: before the pipe to tee, you join the streams, then pipe, then tee, then redirect
15:36<george>just like that :P
15:36<Myon>for whatever reason one might want to redirect tee output ;)
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15:37<george>well one sec, that seems right but first what/why do you want to redirect tee?
15:37<simonrvn>ah
15:37<louis>dose anyone know how to set up a gtalk account using Kopete
15:37<george>when you say "tee foo" you're already doing what you're asking for so I'm confused
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15:38<george>that is... you're taking a copy of what comes into tee thru stdin and (1) appending it (continuously) to the file foo, and sending it out thru stdout
15:39<george>so... you could do stuff with that output
15:40<rtmex>How can I use ls result to awk in a bash script?
15:40<simonrvn>louis: use the gmail account, and enable it there (at google)
15:40<george>black_13: if I -literally- interpret what you say, it seems you want to do something like "somecommand 2>&1 | tee foo > bar"
15:40<Myon>rtmex: uhm, ls | awk?
15:40<george>but... speak up :) what do you want to do?
15:41<black_13>george, close
15:41<black_13>i want to watch a build of a software but i want a record of what is happening
15:41<george>ohh
15:41<george>please look into script
15:41<simonrvn>a la debuild
15:41<george>also look into emacs shell mode
15:42<louis>can you be more exact
15:42<Myon>black_13: that's just 2>&1 | tee build.log
15:42<black_13>gotcha
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15:42<simonrvn>louis: such as?
15:42<rtmex>Ok, I want to make a script that list all users having files grater than 10Mb and olders than 1 year, the srcipt then need to send eah of those users a mail listing their files
15:42<Myon>rtmex: try "find"
15:42<rtmex>That's what I'm doing
15:43<Myon>find /home -mtime +365 -size +10m or something
15:43<rtmex>here is what I'm typing
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15:43<george>rtmex: I wrote a similar script called pighunter :)
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15:43<frood>Hmm, irc on a pda
15:43<lupine_85>totally
15:44<lupine_85>it's rather cool
15:44<louis>I am using icedove so enabled what shoul;d be needed is ther anything that needs to be enabled for Kopete
15:44<rtmex>ind /home -type f -mtime +365 -size +10M -print | xargs ls -l
15:44<frood>Takes a while to type anything
15:44<ZZT32>Tiny problem: I have graphics drivers and everything (because Mupen64 runs and wine runs N64 emulators etc) but MPlayer uses software render for some reason :/ When I do -vo xv it returns: Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
15:44<rtmex>find /home -type f -mtime +365 -size +10M -print | xargs ls -l
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15:44<simonrvn>louis: same stuff, nothing else is needed
15:45<rtmex>Geroge, is there a problem me seeing your script? :)
15:45<frood>| /quit
15:45<louis>so what need to be done in kopete to set up a gtalk service through it
15:45<rtmex>george, sorry
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15:46<rtmex>by the way the -size option is not working cuz it shows files smaller than 10Mb
15:46<simonrvn>louis: set it up using jabber protocol
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15:46<dondelelcaro>rtmex: there's no need to use ls -l; use the printf operator of find
15:46<louis>i have alredy do so but it will still not login
15:47<Myon>or just -ls
15:47<rtmex>dondeleIcaro: I used ls -l cuz I'm trying to use it as the standard input for awk
15:48<dondelelcaro>rtmex: even more reason to to use it
15:48<simonrvn>louis: not sure if kopete can handle it, i know gaim/pidgin can
15:49<rtmex>dondelcaro: This is the command in console find /home/salomon -type f -mtime +365 -size +10M -print | xargs ls -l | awk -F ' ' '($5/1048576)>3 {print $3}'
15:49<ZZT32>:<
15:49<rtmex>but I don't know how to use it in a bash script since awk needs a file
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15:50<george>rtmex: it's been so long... but I can tell you what I did
15:50<dondelelcaro>rtmex: so just find /home/salomon -type f -mtime +365 -size +10M -printf '%s %p\n'|awk -F ...
15:51<dondelelcaro>(but yes, that command will only show files which are bigger than 10M; if it's not, check the file closely)
15:51<george>basically I did du -s /home/* and sorted the number
15:51<Myon>rtmex: try ls -lh
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15:51<Myon>will save you the awk
15:52<george>but this doesn't do exactly what you ask, searching for files larger than 10mb
15:52<louis>me to but pidgin had some aim auto reply problems that kopete dose not
15:52<george>what it did do was show the pigs in order from biggest to smallest
15:52<rtmex>I think I need awk to process the result so I can send the mail to each user
15:52<louis>the proble i am haveing i think has to do with the server info
15:53<rtmex>dondelcaro, -size +10M shows files of 4096bytes :(
15:53<george>rtmex: it's certainly one way... I guess you could also use perl or pythin or tcl or some other scripting language
15:53<dondelelcaro>rtmex: uh... are you sure those are files?
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15:54<rtmex>dondelelcaro, let me check again :)
15:54<dondelelcaro>something with 4096 sounds awfully like a directory
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15:56<rtmex>I typed find /home/salomon -type f -size +10M -print | xargs ls -l
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15:56<rtmex>and it shows files of 180 bytes
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15:57<rtmex>one is called aviso_usuarios.sh (a bash script)
15:57<george>that looks good
15:57<george>is that the script you';re trying to build? :)
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15:57<rtmex>yes :)
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15:58<george>that absolutely looks good
15:58<george>I was checking the -size 10M part
15:59<rtmex>This is the script (I'm new at linux andI'm tetsing)
15:59<george>you should probabl
15:59<george>err nm
15:59<rtmex>line 1 : LISTA = `find /home -type f -mtime +35 -print | xargs ls -l`;
15:59<rtmex>line 2: LISTA = `find /home -type f -mtime +35 -print | xargs ls -l`;
15:59<rtmex>oops sprry
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16:00<rtmex>line 2:for i in `awk -F ' ' '($5/1048576)>3 {print $3}' $LISTA`
16:00<george>hold up one sec
16:00<rtmex>do echo $3 done
16:00<rtmex>sure george :)
16:00<george>this is bash, right?
16:00<rtmex>yes george
16:01<george>ok, so you're doing LISTA = something
16:01<rtmex>It shows an error cuz awk don't get $LISTA as a file
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16:01<george>and it needs to be LISTA=something
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16:01<george>notice no spaces
16:01<rtmex>I see :)
16:01<rtmex>Let me cut the spaces george
16:01<george>that should put the list of the files (no newlines) in LISTA
16:02<rav>hello. I used to have a dual boot, but now I deleted the win partition and turned everything to Debian. But my grub screen still shows WinXP on the list, how can I fix this?
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16:03<rtmex>That error is gone george (thanks), but the other errors remain
16:03<rtmex>find: /home/lost+found: Permission denied
16:03<lupine_85>well, that's finer
16:03<george>that should be output to stderr
16:03<george>from find that is
16:04<george>you see that while the script runs?
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16:04<rtmex>Where are you from george?
16:04<george>I'm in no. calif
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16:04<george>sf bay area
16:05<rtmex>Oh, I have heard it's beutifull there
16:05<george>it is nice
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16:05<george>oakland/berkeley hills are very nice
16:06<lupine_85>america? beautiful?
16:06<lupine_85>;)
16:06<george>america: freedom to fascism
16:06<george>see the movie, don't wait for the book (author dead)
16:06<rtmex>I don't want to abuse your kindness but I'm really stucked here (with the script) Can I DCC you?
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16:07<simonrvn>'stuck'
16:07<lupine_85>rtmex: just redirect stderr to /dev/null
16:07<george>I can't do private now
16:07<lupine_85>(append "2>/dev/null" ?)
16:07<lupine_85>it's been a while
16:07<george>that sounds right
16:07<george>someone showed me a use for 1>&2
16:08<rtmex>I see george, no problem. I just want to send you the script so you can tell me what arrengements should I do, and everyone else that like to help :)
16:08<lupine_85>rtmex: just pastebin it
16:09<george>well there is a way for that, as lupine_85 says, you would pastebin... point web browser at: rafb.net/paste
16:09<george>put script in there
16:09<rtmex>I'm using Konversation irc client, how do I "pastebin it" ? :(
16:09<george>I'm telling you now :)
16:09<george>push paste button
16:09<rtmex>yes, I see, did't read before
16:09<george>then tell us the url where it went
16:09<rtmex>wait
16:09<george>that's all :)
16:10<rtmex>Patiente please I feel like a final user :(, sorry
16:10<george>just ask about anything you don't understand
16:10<george>someone will help
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16:11<rtmex>file:///home/salomon/linuxavanzado/scripts/aviso_usuarios.sh
16:11<george>oh shoot, that won't work
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16:12<george>ok, do this:
16:12<george>point web browser at: rafb.net/paste
16:13<george>let me know when you get there
16:13<rtmex>But I'm not using a web browser to acces this IRC
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16:14<george>ok one sec
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16:15<rtmex>did you get it?
16:15<rtmex>george
16:15<george>rtmex: do you run graphic interface? X window system?
16:15<rtmex>yes
16:15<george>yeah, I'll find it and pastebin it
16:17<rtmex>lupine_85 where are you from (I guess you are not from US)
16:17<george>http://rafb.net/p/PHfuN622.html
16:17<george>that's his script
16:17<rav>what is the best program for bootsplash screens?
16:18<lupine_85>England
16:18[~]lupine_85 hides from awk
16:18<rtmex>I see :)
16:19<rtmex>I notese that since I change it (testing) I'm not printing $5 argument but try to use it in awk
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16:20<rtmex>I used to print $3, $5, $8
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16:20<rtmex>and since the -size +10M is not working (taht's what it looks like) I divided the $5 field to convert bytes into mb
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16:21<george>hmm, when I run it I have so much crap in there that awk says it can't handle the number of args
16:21<rtmex>I tryed files larger than 3 (as you can see)
16:21<george>in that particular script you don't have the -size thing there
16:21<rtmex>george, delete the ($5/... >3
16:21<blal>Is dpkg the help-message bot?
16:22<Myon>yes
16:22<blal>Ah, netsplit.
16:22<blal>Right?
16:22<Myon>!ping
16:22<dpkg>pong
16:22<blal>hm
16:22<george>!ding
16:22<dpkg>ding is probably a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/, or dong
16:22<lupine_85>ping: icmp open socket error: permission denied
16:22<george>oh, I didn't expect that :)
16:22<blal>!aes-loop
16:22<Myon>blal: /msg dpkg
16:22<blal>:-P
16:23<blal>Myon : He isn't responding.
16:23<Myon>then that factoid doesn't exist
16:23<blal>Well... george , would you say "!aes-loop"?
16:23<rtmex>Is there an irc channel for bash?
16:23<george>you did already :)
16:23<blal>george : dpkg is giving me the cold shoulder.
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16:24<blal>I probably forgot our anniversary or something. Why can't women just tell you what you did wrong instead of being like this?
16:24<rtmex>george what I did ? or wasn't for me that msg?
16:24<Myon>blal: try asking for something that esists
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16:25<george>rtmex: sorry, dealing with two folks
16:25<rtmex>ok, no problem
16:25<blal>I got a reply to "/msg dpkg smartass". So I guess dpkg's "topic not found" message is basically nothing. Very
16:25<blal>Very Zen.
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16:26<george>finding nothing is the very center of zen...
16:26[~]blal became enlightened.
16:27<abrotman>JIM!
16:27<george>rtmex: if you say in the find command -size +10M
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16:29<rtmex>yes george, I type find /home/salomon -type f -size +10M -print | xargs ls -l
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16:29<rtmex>and it shows smaller than 10M for example the script I sent you :)
16:30<george>that script which you sent doesn't have that tho, that's why I mention it
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16:30<rtmex>this is the first line of the result
16:30<rtmex>-rwxr-xr-x 1 salomon salomon 163 2007-10-13 16:30 aviso_usuarios.sh
16:31<george>and that sounds like find might be broke somehow
16:31<rtmex>where 163 is the size
16:31<george>right
16:31<rtmex>in bytes of course :)
16:31<george>let's see if we can get some oneliners to work
16:31<rtmex>I'm using debian etch r0
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16:32<rtmex>Dows this line find /home -type f -size +10M -print | xargs ls -l works fine for you? for example?
16:33<rtmex>I mean, you type that on your computer and it just show you files bigger than 10mb?
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16:50<george>rtmex : erm
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16:51<george>try without the | xargs ls -l
16:51<george>because if a blank string gets through, you end up with ls -l (nothing)
16:51<george>which lists the dir
16:52<george>there might be a better way
16:52<lupine_85>have a grep in the middle to exclude blank lines
16:52<rtmex>Sorry, I was on the console :(
16:52<george>for example there might be a -printf <formatString> in find
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16:53<george>if you have that, then you don't need the ls -l to get the size
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16:53<rtmex>I making some progrees, after LISTA=`find /home -type f -mtime +365 -print | xargs ls -o`
16:54<rtmex>I wrote $LISTA |awk -F ' ' '{print $3}'
16:54<blarson>Use find ... -print0 | xargs -0 ...
16:54<rtmex>I'm not using the -size parameter for now
16:54<george>if not using that, then you get any size file that otherwise matches
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16:55<rtmex>thanks blarson, I'm gonna try that see what happens
16:56<Aero>where is the php binary saved oO? - i hate tunez -_-
16:56<rtmex>Yes I know george :)m I'm just thinking it be less complicated achiving one thing first and then deal with the -size parameter, what do you think?
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16:57<george>sure, its an ok way
16:57<rtmex>I did not quite understood your suggestion about grep, but I'm interested in that
16:57<george>make sure you understand this find ... -print0 and xargs -0 thing
16:58<rtmex>I'll try, wait :)
16:58<george>what it does and why is he suggesting it (first what it does :)
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16:58<lupine_85>well, | grep -v "" should print all non-empty lines
16:58<lupine_85>possible
16:58<rtmex>I know what it grep does :)
16:58<lupine_85>possibly*. I've nort actually done it
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16:59<Aero>or does anyone a function like: serch for
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16:59<koollman>"" matches anything ... so, -v "" matches nothing, most probably :)
16:59<rtmex>just don't know all the parameters, I'll read man :)
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17:00<lupine_85>mm, you might need to specify an empty line with a regex of some sort
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17:00<koollman>grep -v "^$"
17:00<lupine_85>I should learn regex-foo sometime
17:00<lupine_85>thanks koollman
17:00<koollman>always useful
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17:02<george>lupine_85: the regular expression "" is probably a "zero-width assertion" that matches anything
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17:02<george>(so grep -v "" will not output anything :)
17:02<lupine_85>okies, thanks
17:03<rtmex>I did find /home -type f -mtime +365 -print0 | xargs -0
17:03<george>just a little background that you might find useful someday :)
17:03<Supaplex>hummm where oh where are those netfilter/iptables/arptables/abtables options in the kernel. humm..
17:03<george>is there a grep -0?
17:04<rtmex>and it puts more than one result in the same line, I don't thing tha help
17:04<george>in networkign somewhere :)
17:04<george>rtmex: yes...but separated by something too... what separates the results?
17:05<rtmex>space
17:06<rtmex>and I was using space as the awk command field separator
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17:09<rtmex>I'm trying this find /home -type f -mtime +365 -print | xargs ls -o
17:09<rtmex>Can I put your grep suggestion somewhere in between to ignore blank lines?
17:10<lupine_85>yep, in between find and xargs
17:10<lupine_85>(just add another pipe)
17:10<lupine_85>UNIX. It's a series of pipes :D
17:11<Supaplex>woah. make menuconfig supports "/" to search for config names. AWESOMENESS! :-D
17:11<lupine_85>....
17:11<lupine_85>old feature is ancient
17:11<lupine_85>:D
17:11<lupine_85>man, less, etc all have the same feature
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17:12<mildner>how can I add chinese as language in lenny
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17:12<rtmex>Ok, lupine_85 I'll try
17:12<Supaplex>mildner: feed it rice
17:12<lupine_85>mildner: install the localisation data for the apps you use, and enable it in locales (dpkg-reconfiure locales)
17:12<lupine_85>you'll need an IME as well; scim/skim is good
17:13<lupine_85>葉, etc
17:14<lupine_85>oh, and you'll need to install an appropriate font as well
17:14<Supaplex>lupine_85: mildner should stick around longer.
17:14<rtmex>by the way, the first line I get find: /home/lost+found: Permission denied
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17:16<manu_hack>hi, what's up with vim in sid, they now separate it into gnome and gtk?
17:16<rtmex>george, can I send you my script again so you can post it?
17:16<Supaplex>rtmex: I bet lost+found has 0700 permissions. use 2>/dev/null if you want to ignore stderr
17:17<Supaplex>manu_hack: what's the changelog say?
17:17<rtmex>Thanks Supaplex, I'll try
17:18<rtmex>I added the grep and whe I run the script, at the end I get ./aviso_usuarios.sh: line 6: -rw-r--r--: command not found
17:19<rtmex>any idea lupine_85? :( this error was even without the grep :)
17:19<Supaplex>rtmex: consider, find /home -type f -mtime +365 -print0 | xargs -0 ls -o
17:19<rtmex>I thought ignoring blank lines it would fix it
17:19<lupine_85>xargs runs a command, right?
17:20<Supaplex>I don't think we have a clear description of your issue rtmex
17:20<lupine_85>sounds like you're passing the permissions to xargs as a comand
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17:20<rtmex>I'm sending you my script if you don't mind
17:20<Supaplex>there's something after xargs he's chaining. it sounds like he's ... | xargs .. | sh
17:20<Supaplex>rafb.net/paste
17:21<rtmex>I'm not using a web browser to acces this IRC
17:21<rtmex>:(
17:21<Supaplex>I'm on an embded router with limited permission anyway...
17:21<rtmex>ok no problem
17:22<rtmex>it's 2 lines, see
17:22<rtmex>first line
17:22<Supaplex>rtmex: /j #flood-rtmex
17:22<rtmex>LISTA=`find /home -type f -mtime +365 -print | grep -v "^$" | xargs ls -o`
17:22<Supaplex>or not.
17:23<rtmex>second line
17:23<lupine_85>rtmex: you're passing a stupidly huge string to xargs
17:23<rtmex>$LISTA |awk -F ' ' '{print $3}'
17:23<Supaplex>ok.
17:23<lupine_85>or I could be wrong
17:23<Supaplex>xargs by design eats big stupid zany strings.
17:24[~]lupine_85 is scared of xargs
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17:24<Supaplex>rtmex: $LISTA is your command...
17:24<rtmex>Ok, sorry I'm learning here, that's why I'm asking, no need to be rude :)
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17:25<rtmex>$LISTA is the variable I declared in the first line of the script
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17:25<rtmex>LISTA=`find /home -type f -mtime +365 -print | grep -v "^$" | xargs ls -o`
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17:26<koollman>rtmex: could you remember me what you are trying to do ?
17:26<Supaplex>rtmex: set lista to what ever you want, but when you use it like that, line 2 is going to expand $LISTA and evaluate it in place, attempting to execute it.
17:26<Supaplex>rtmex: try this, just for kicks. LISTA=last ; $LISTA
17:27<rtmex>koollman I need to write a script that list all users with files bigger than 10M and older than 1 year, then send an e-mail to each user with the list of his files
17:27<koollman>mmm .. wait a moment
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17:28<rtmex>of course I'm not in the mail part yet
17:28<Supaplex>find /tmp/ -type f -mtime +365 -print0 | xargs -0 ls -o |awk -F ' ' '{print $3}' | grep -v '^$' | uniq -c
17:28<ZZT32>Is adding the "sid" apt repository to Etch and doing apt-get dist-upgrade safe? >>
17:28<koollman>you want to list the user by checking the owner of the file ?
17:28<lupine_85>ZZT32: for a given value of safe
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17:28<ZZT32>I mean, will it destroy my system? >>
17:29<Supaplex>ZZT32: you'll void your #debian support contract. :)
17:29<lupine_85>well, that depends
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17:29<rtmex>yes koollman
17:29<lupine_85>will licking an electrical socket kill you?
17:29<Supaplex>!tell ZZT32 -about sid
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17:29<ZZT32>I see
17:29[~]lupine_85 goes to try the electrical socket thing
17:29<Supaplex>rtmex: is my last oneliner what you're after?
17:29<rtmex>Supaplex, I'm copying your post, some quick explain :(
17:29<ZZT32>Well, I haven't done it yet, but I wanted to install Tor so I added the repo. It messed up gnome as soon as it was done installing. I guess I'm an idiot
17:30<Supaplex>!tell ZZT32 -about simple sid backport
17:30<rtmex>Let me see Supaplex, wait
17:30<Supaplex>!tell ZZT32 -about backports
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17:32<Supaplex>rtmex: -print0 ascii code 0 to pad records. xargs -0 splits on that print0 (so spaces and newlines are not an issue). instead of using echo $LISTA | awk ... I just kept stacking commands to further filter it into the results I presume you were looking for.
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17:32<marc_>Im running etch, normally I have had sound with every distro Ive tried, now even after installing gnome-audio, I get no sound
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17:34<rtmex>Supaplex, it seems that's near to what I need, just too more questions, youre oneliner result was
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17:34<marc_>the sound card is an intel 82801AA-ICH(Alsa mixer), its not muted
17:34<rtmex>find: /home/lost+found: Permission denied
17:34<rtmex>and then a number I think it's a file size and then the user
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17:35<Supaplex>rtmex: man uniq. -c counts unique instances so far (until a non uniqe match, then it starts over)
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17:36<Supaplex>rtmex: we've been over lost+found. you don't have permission to access the directory list in lost+found. neither does any command you run, so find says "oh no! I can't read it," and thus the error.
17:36<rtmex>but remember I need to send to each user a list with his files (bigger than 10m and older than one year) with your line where can I get it?
17:37<Supaplex>rtmex: no, because I've had to guess. try taking off the | uniq -c part.
17:38<Supaplex>!tell rtmex -about grounding
17:39<koollman>rtmex: I would start from here : find . -type f -mtime +365 -size +10M -printf "%u\0%s\0%h/%f\0" | xargs -0 -n 3 echo
17:39<koollman>that generate a list of triplets 'user size filename'
17:40<koollman>maybe you don't even need the size
17:41<rtmex>Koollman, I was telling (before you enter the cjhannel) tha I'm having problem with the -size parameter
17:41<rtmex>I type this
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17:42<rtmex>find /salomon -type f -size +10M -print | xargs ls -l
17:43<rtmex>and I get listed files from 185 bytes
17:43<rtmex>for example
17:43<rtmex>-rwxr-xr-x 1 salomon salomon 185 2007-10-13 17:19 aviso_usuarios.sh
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17:43<koollman>mmm... strange
17:44<koollman>without the | xargs ls -l, do you see the 'aviso_usuarios.sh' file ?
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17:44<koollman>in the output of find
17:44<rtmex>let me check
17:44<kurumin>como faço para instalar o kurumin
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17:45<koollman>because there is a trick in your example... if there are no files, xargs will execute ls with no arguments :)
17:46<Supaplex>xargs --no-run-if-empty
17:46<koollman>or just -r
17:46<koollman>;)
17:46<Supaplex>yup
17:46<rtmex>Yes, I get an error trying to run xargs alone
17:47<koollman>find . -type f -mtime +365 -size +10M -printf "%u\0%h/%f\0" | xargs -0 -r -n 2 echo
17:47<koollman>that should be enough
17:47<Supaplex>that's by design.
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17:48<koollman>next, you need to replace the 'echo' part with something taking two arguments, and adding data in a file (a different file for each users, which is the first argument)
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17:50<rtmex>I typed find /home/salomon -type f -mtime +365 -size +1M -printf "%u\0%h/%f\0" | xargs -0 -r -n 2 echo at the console
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17:51<rtmex>and it does not shows any file, even there files bigger than 8 mb
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17:51<rtmex>those files are gzipped
17:51<koollman>rtmex: there is also the mtime...
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17:51<rtmex>does the -type f ignores them
17:52<rtmex>?
17:52<koollman>no
17:52<koollman>are these files recent ?
17:52<rtmex>yes
17:52<rtmex>I see
17:52<rtmex>cuz the -mtime
17:52<koollman>yes
17:52<rtmex>sorry
17:52<tsai>hello all, has anyone gotten bluetooth remote working on Debian 4.0. I am trying to use my cell phone as a remote control for KDE aps
17:52<koollman>you could remove it for your tests
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17:52<rtmex>I'll do
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17:54<rtmex>Yes, it's working, so the problem was that xargs wasn't getting arguments?
17:54<koollman>yes
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17:55<koollman>now, you could make a script containing these three lines : 'user=$1' 'shift' 'echo "$*" > mail.$user'
17:55<koollman>(without the ' )
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17:56<koollman>then you make it executable, and call it in the xargs, instead of 'echo'
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17:56<koollman>you will then have a list of files containing the listing for each users
17:56<koollman>then, you will have to mail it
17:56<koollman>that part should be easy enough
17:56<rtmex>I need the script do all the job, get the list too, you think it's possible?
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17:57<koollman>almost everything is possible :)
17:57<koollman>how many different users do you have ?
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17:58<koollman>(not precisely, but to have an idea)
17:58<rtmex>hehe, I'm sure, I should say, you think it's not too complicated for a Linux newbie? (cuz I has develop software but for windows :( till now)
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17:59|-|mode/#debian [+l 310] by debhelper
17:59<koollman>Everything is complicated for a newbie ... that's why they are called newbie, right ? :)
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17:59<rtmex>Well thanks to all of you who helped me, I have learned a lot and I'm gonna keep reading, I'm closer to the objective
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18:00<rtmex>Thanks koollman, george, Supaplex, lupine, etc.
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18:01<george>rtmex: get it working?
18:01<george>oh, yes I see above, you're going to read up
18:02<george>hope it's helpful
18:02<rtmex>Sure it was a great help
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18:02<rtmex>hope to see you arround
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18:05<george>koollman: it's not just that, folks who are new to things that have lots of moving parts (as debian or really any linux or unix does) needs to be shown some of the standard ways to gain info
18:05<george>different w
18:05<george>err
18:05<george>different people have different ways of doing that
18:06<george>and the same person might have different ways based on his/her own mood or (more hopefully) the needs of the person involved
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18:06<duekiller>after noon everyone
18:07<george>that guy, rtmex, was a very good example of someone who WANTED to learn and do so independently
18:07<lupine_85>brownie points to him?
18:07<george>he was therefore -not- a newbie even tho he was new to certain things
18:07<george>he's on his way to guruhood as a matter of fact
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18:07<lupine_85>newb, not n00b
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18:08<duekiller>anyone know the package name of the kernel-source ?
18:08<george>linux-source-putVersionHere
18:08<duekiller>thank you
18:08<george>or
18:08<george>you can apt-get source linux-image-version
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18:09<duekiller>linux-image-$(uname -r)
18:09<george>well right, IF you want the version you're now running
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18:09<duekiller>just checking
18:10<duekiller>here is another quick question
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18:11<duekiller>if I have dual monitors and want to use twinview do I have to install the NVIDIA drivers ?
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18:22<IceGuest_7>hello
18:22<IceGuest_7>finnaly
18:22<IceGuest_7>ok i have some trouble installing debian 4
18:23<IceGuest_7>anyone gonna help?
18:23<Supaplex>we might
18:23<Supaplex>define "trouble"
18:23<akai>yeah, if it's doable.
18:23<Supaplex>!tell IceGuest_7 -about don't work
18:23<IceGuest_7>ok when i boot the network cd....
18:23<Supaplex>!tell IceGuest_7 -about ask
18:24<Supaplex>go on :)
18:24<IceGuest_7>i see a blank page and like 10 secas later it goes on to booting windows
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18:24<IceGuest_7>*seconds*
18:24<Supaplex>so you're booting netinst, but it's ignored?
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18:25<IceGuest_7>I really dont know.
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18:26<Supaplex>did you download the x86 (or x64 for amd64) netinst cd?
18:26<IceGuest_7>x86
18:26<Supaplex>how'd you burn the cd?
18:26<Supaplex>does your pc support booting from cds?
18:27<Supaplex>was it set to boot from a cd this time?
18:27<IceGuest_7>i got the iso and u sed Power ISO to burn
18:27<IceGuest_7>yes it was set to boot from the cd
18:28<Supaplex>can you compare the cd to the imagefile you made it with?
18:28<IceGuest_7>what do you mena by compare?
18:28<IceGuest_7>and when the blank page appeared i saw kida like a heifen blinking
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18:29<Supaplex>I've never used power iso. I was thinking maybe it can check to see if it burned correctly by reading the disc
18:29<Supaplex>do you have a cdrw?
18:29<IceGuest_7>no it was a rom
18:30<Supaplex>I'd try burning again. try a slower speed, make sure the media is clean, etc etc. if you have a cdrw, you don't have to use more cds to try again is all.
18:30<Supaplex>or,
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18:30<Supaplex>do you have another system you can try booting that with? just to see if it boots the cd?
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18:31<IceGuest_7>no. this is my only computer. it's 2 late now to go to a friend's
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18:31<Supaplex>have anything like vmware installed?
18:31<IceGuest_7>what's that?
18:32<Supaplex>!vmware
18:32<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>.
18:32<duekiller>Quick question: I am trying to install the NVIDIA drivers from the nvidia site, but I keep getting a gcc version error (kernel compiled in 4.1, but I have 4.2). How do I specify which version the installer should use
18:32<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: www.vmware.com
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18:32<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: grab the vmware-player, and see if someone published a "live-cd" image to try.
18:32<IceGuest_7>checking out vmware now
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18:33<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: it's a little complicated, so you might want to try the "burn a new cd" route (up to you)
18:33<Supaplex>duekiller: why not do it the debian way?
18:33<IceGuest_7>no never done anything like vmware
18:33<duekiller>supaplex: does it come with the nvidia tools ?
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18:34<IceGuest_7>actually im out of cds and my parents arent willing to drive me to radioshack. is there anyother way of installing?
18:34<Supaplex>duekiller: I'd guess no, but I'm not sure. as for the module issue, debian has a way to accomidate it.
18:34<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: www.goodbye-windows.com
18:35<duekiller>supaplex: what do you mean module issue ?
18:35<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: it's non-destructive *if* you're careful
18:35<Supaplex>duekiller: nvidia's xorg driver
18:35<Supaplex>!nvidia
18:35<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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18:36<deviat>hola buenas noches a todos
18:36<IceGuest_7>can anyone send me their entire partition that they have debian on? mybe i can just do a little copy and paste :)
18:36<lupine_85>haha
18:36<lupine_85>no
18:36<lupine_85>:p
18:36<Supaplex>!es
18:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:36<lupine_85>you can download such images, though
18:36<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: it has ntfs resize support.
18:37<duekiller>supaplex: I have a very recent video card (8800gtx) thus the debian drivers would probably not be the best choice.
18:37<IceGuest_7>lupine, who are u talking to? me?
18:37<Supaplex>maybe I should throw some screenshots together.
18:37<lupine_85>duekiller: the drivers in unstable support 8800gtx
18:37<IceGuest_7>cuz im never tried linux before and i really want to do it
18:38<lupine_85>IceGuest_7: yup
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18:38<duekiller>lupine_85: I am very new to the linux enviornment and would probably not know what to do if unstable crashed x for me....
18:38<lupine_85>duekiller: you also won't know what to do when (note: when) the X drivers you install using the nvidia installer break horribly
18:38<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: I maintain the www.goodbye-windows.com mirror. just pay special attention to what you're doing while setting up partitions.
18:38<IceGuest_7>so, lupine, can u just upload me the files nexcessary to copy and paste a full Debian?
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18:39<duekiller>lupine_85: So true.
18:39<lupine_85>just pull the unstable (or testing, since that's .22 now I guess), kernel and nvidia driver
18:39<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: it doesn't work that way. :)
18:39<lupine_85>!pinning
18:39<dpkg>If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.
18:39<lupine_85>liek that
18:39<lupine_85>(you don't need to bother with backporting for a kernel)
18:39[~]IceGuest_7 slaps lupine_85 with a big red brick
18:40<IceGuest_7>lol
18:40[~]lupine_85 feels unslapped
18:40[~]IceGuest_7 slaps lupine_85 with a rainbow trout
18:40<lupine_85>I'm not about to upload 10GB of data just for you
18:40<IceGuest_7>lmao
18:40<lupine_85>go grab a torrent or something
18:40<IceGuest_7>ok thats cool
18:40<IceGuest_7>this is just uncool
18:41<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: did you check out that website I suggested?
18:41<IceGuest_7>good-bye-windows?
18:41<Supaplex>yes
18:41<IceGuest_7>ok ill do that now
18:42<duekiller>is there any way to change the gcc version that I am compiling with ?
18:42<duekiller>would the "export" command do the trick ?
18:43<streuner>just change the symlink
18:43<Supaplex>CC=/bin/bleh make do-dah...
18:43<streuner>gcc is a symlink...
18:43[~]duekiller hits himself over the head with a stupid stick
18:43<streuner>why?
18:43<IceGuest_7>so, iceguest, i can just download debian.exe and there i go?
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18:44<IceGuest_7>will i have a desktop interface?
18:44<duekiller>that was just so obvious and yet I was drawing blanks... it was a "narf" moment
18:44<Supaplex>IceGuest_7: in short yes. in terse, what's the website say?
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18:44<lupine_85>CC= will only work if the makefile isn't fail
18:44<lupine_85>(the nvidia one is fail)
18:44<IceGuest_7>ok well goodbye windows
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18:45<lupine_85>so change /usr/bin/gcc to point to /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 temporarily
18:45<IceGuest_7>brb if it turns out to be a pice of turd
18:45<IceGuest_7>if im gone a few hours ill be enjoying it
18:45<IceGuest_7>bye now
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18:46<ptr>evening all
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18:55<IceGuest_7>back
18:55<ptr>wb
18:55<IceGuest_7>it was a piece of turd
18:55<IceGuest_7>gave me a bunch of errors
18:56<IceGuest_7>thanks for getting my hopes up
18:56<lupine_85>no charge
18:56<IceGuest_7>then shoing my face in mud
18:57<lupine_85>but we charge for that
18:57<lupine_85>mud is expensive
18:57<IceGuest_7>that was not funny
18:57[~]lupine_85 passes the collection plate over
18:57<lupine_85>I serious. We take paypal, nochex or wire transfer
18:57<lupine_85>I'm*
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18:58<IceGuest_7>are you russian or something?
18:58<lupine_85>english
18:58<IceGuest_7>who combines "no checks" in to "nochex"
18:58<lupine_85>A Leeds-based company
18:58<lupine_85>or is that Worldpay?
18:59<IceGuest_7>anyway bye
18:59<lupine_85>(We take worldpay too)
18:59<IceGuest_7>its time for bed.
18:59<lupine_85>wait, you haven't paid yet!
18:59<IceGuest_7>this was a complete waste of time.
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18:59<lupine_85>he made off!
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19:00<lupine_85>eh, roadrunner... wouldn't have had any money anyway
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19:01<patcito>http://digg.com/linux_unix/RMS_Ask_Radiohead_to_release_songs_in_Ogg_Vorbis
19:01<lupine_85>oh dear
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19:03<dli_>RMS is God
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19:04<george>Charisma Carpenter is God too
19:04<cafuego>Coz what I really need is to buy audio in a format my media player doesn't support.
19:05<lexel>just try to convert it
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19:07<cafuego>yeah, from lossy to lossy, because that's a great idea.
19:08<cafuego>Why don't I throw 'em all out and buy vinyl instead.
19:08<cafuego>DRM free and not patented
19:08<lexel>and greatest sound quality
19:08<lupine_85>you can convert mp3 to ogg losslessly
19:09<cafuego>Why would I do that?
19:10<lupine_85>because then your music will be the same quality, and unencumbered by fake patents
19:10<lupine_85>is this awesome? [y/n]
19:10<cafuego>And I won't be able to play it. great!
19:11<lupine_85>yeah, it'll be mega cool
19:11<cafuego>I assume you also didn't buy any CDs ever, because that format is patented?
19:11<lupine_85>then you'll have an excuse to buy an iriver
19:11<lupine_85>eh, I don't care
19:11<lupine_85>most of my music is in mp3
19:11<cafuego>Yah, mine as well.
19:13<lupine_85>see, I don't believe in software patents, so they don't affect my purchasing decisions
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19:29<randompersona>So, this being the debian channel.. you guys are all nice to *nix/irc noobs, right?
19:29<ricky>Yes.
19:29<interbird>yes
19:31<interbird>unless these noobs ask really stupid stuff, then we mostly shut-up :-)
19:31<randompersona>:-) Okay.. so when I'm hitting my head against the keyboard in 20 minutes trying to set up Apache/Php and mysql I'll let you know.
19:31<simonrvn>we'll hear the banging
19:31<interbird>through the grapevine...
19:32<simonrvn>the ps/2 cable ;p
19:32<randompersona>Who still has a ps/2 keyboard?
19:32[~]simonrvn raises his hand
19:32<george>let me guess... you do :)
19:33[~]interbird too
19:33[~]lupine_85 checks
19:33<lupine_85>woo, usb
19:33<randompersona>I really want to take the 9pin old IBM clicky keyboard and make it USB.. however first things first.
19:33<lupine_85>ps/2 mouse though
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19:35<interbird>keyboards you can stand on and with a real click; things have changed...
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19:36<randompersona>Well.. you can always spend $80 on 'daskeyboard' from thinkgeek.. however.. f- that.
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19:38<interbird>I just read an article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
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19:41<tacojim>is there a channel for lenny?
19:43<interbird>is lenny debian ?
19:43<tacojim>yz
19:43<tacojim>basically i just want to mount my master drive
19:44<tacojim>i invoke mount /dev/hda1 /my/folder/etc/ -o umask=0000
19:44<tacojim>freezes up
19:44<lupine_85>what filesystem is it?
19:44<tacojim>ext3 i believe
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19:44<lupine_85>humm. that should be stable.
19:45<tacojim>yeah, it's strange
19:45<tacojim>worked fine earlier
19:45<lupine_85>hardware failure?
19:45<tacojim>i've tried rebooting and everything
19:45<tacojim>i doubt it
19:45<weasel>what does fsck say?
19:45<tacojim>my master has winxp on it and it boots fine
19:45<tacojim>hold on ill check
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19:45<interbird>tacojim: what does fdisk -l /dev/hda1 say ?
19:45<lupine_85>/dev/hda, surely? :)
19:45<tacojim>im checking 1 sec
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19:47<interbird>tacojim: lipine_85 is correct: fdisk -l /dev/hda
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19:47<interbird>s/lipine_85/lupine_85
19:47<tacojim>just shows a table about the disk
19:47<lupine_85>that's good
19:48<interbird>tacojim: and what is the type of hda1 ?
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19:48<tacojim>/dev/hda1 * 1 2489 19992861 7 HPFS/NTFS
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19:48<lupine_85>that's hardly ext3
19:48<tacojim>oh, no
19:48<interbird>that's ntfsor hpfs
19:48<tacojim>what i'm booted onto NOW is ext3
19:48<tacojim>that's ntfs
19:48<lupine_85>(although that's not conclusive)
19:49<lupine_85>did you update etch before the problems started
19:49<lupine_85>?
19:49<lupine_85>could be a problem with the driver
19:49<tacojim>it worked fine until a minute ago
19:49<lupine_85>it broke when you rebooted? or just randomly?
19:50<tacojim>randomly
19:50<lupine_85>very weird
19:50<interbird>as root: mkdir /1 && mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /1 && ls /1
19:50<lupine_85>do you get anything useful in dmesg?
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19:51<tacojim>NTFS-fs warning (device hda): is_boot_sector_ntfs(): Invalid boot sector checksum.
19:51<tacojim>NTFS-fs error (device hda): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Primary boot sector is invalid.
19:51<tacojim>NTFS-fs error (device hda): read_ntfs_boot_sector(): Mount option errors=recover not used. Aborting without trying to recover.
19:51<lupine_85>that's hardly good
19:52<tacojim>NTFS-fs error (device hda): ntfs_fill_super(): Not an NTFS volume.
19:52<lupine_85>yet it boots fine?
19:52<tacojim>garrador:/home/dave#
19:52<tacojim>yes
19:52<tacojim>sorry for spam
19:52<tacojim>but thats what i get off dmesg
19:52<lupine_85>to clarify: it boots fine when you try to boot windows?
19:52<george>so the partition type isn't right
19:52<tacojim>yep, boots fine for winxp
19:52<lupine_85>hmm
19:52<george>could that mean ms changed ntfs?
19:52<lupine_85>were you writing to it using ntfs-3g under linux?
19:52<Willdude>Hi there! I just bought a new Toshiba laptop, and thus far the sound has stubbornly refused to work at all.
19:53<tacojim>the only thing i've done to the drive is some chmod
19:53<tacojim>but i've read that that doesn't matter
19:53<lupine_85>so in other words, yes
19:53<george>Willdude: ok, what happens when you alsaconf
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19:53<interbird>Willdude: lspci and see what sound-device in in there
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19:54<lupine_85>I would guess that the partition is subtly broken in a way that doesn't affect windows, but does affect linux
19:55<lupine_85>maybe windows doesn't bother looking at that checksum, or something
19:55<interbird>tacojim: do a chkdsk /F in windows and then try to mount again
19:55<tacojim>ill do that
19:55<lupine_85>if that doesn't help, it's backup time :F
19:55<tacojim>brb
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19:55<Willdude>george:What happens is that it comes up and tells
19:55<george>it might be backup time now
19:55<lupine_85>hehe
19:56<lupine_85>then again, I'm sure he backed everything up before he started
19:56<lupine_85>right...?
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19:56<george>who do you know here that does that? :)
19:56<lupine_85>:D
19:56<lupine_85>fools, angels, etc
19:56<Willdude>george: ... tells me that there is no supported PnP orPCI card found.
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19:56<george>hmm, that doesn't sound good
19:57<george>the best thing you can hope for in that case is some later kernel will support it
19:57<lupine_85>could try the latest current kernel (.22 or .23) and see if that does
19:57<interbird>Willdude: just a question, you bought a toshiba laptop, wanted to run Debian and did not check compatibility? #1st rule...
19:58<lupine_85>(I'm assuming Willdude is currently using .18)
19:58<george>and that you can install said later kernel without it requiring newer things that require newer libs etc etc
19:58<lupine_85>...it's a kernel
19:58<lupine_85>they drop in
19:59<george>exactly, it should not require those things
19:59<george>due to exactly what you say: it's a kernel
19:59<lupine_85>I popped a gentoo kernel into a SuSE install once
19:59<lupine_85>that was fun
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19:59<interbird>what did not work lupine_85 ?
20:00<lupine_85>everything worked perfectly
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20:00<interbird>can't imagine, suse is a havy kernel modifier
20:00<lupine_85>*shrug*
20:00<lupine_85>all the hardware was fine, including my ralink wireless card
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20:01<lupine_85>(I did this because the driver simply wouldn't compile on the suse kernel. probably because of all those stupid modifications)
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20:02<george>patches didn't apply properly?
20:02<lupine_85>it's a driver outside the kernel tree, and it simply refused to compile. not sure why
20:02<lupine_85>(this was 10.1 time)
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20:03<interbird>that could be compiler version issues...
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20:03<lupine_85>I do know what i'm doing, you know :)
20:04<tacojim>didnt work
20:04<tacojim>ran chkdsk /f
20:04<tacojim>whoa!
20:04<tacojim>nevermind!
20:04<interbird>windows rebooted after the chkdsk ?
20:04<tacojim>holy crap
20:04<tacojim>yes
20:04<tacojim>chkdsk wouldn't run on it because it was mounted
20:04<tacojim>so it rebooted and ran it
20:04<interbird>and you still cannot mount hda1 ?
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20:04<tacojim>no, i can mount it now
20:04<tacojim>just dids
20:04<lupine_85>fix0red
20:04<tacojim>*did
20:04<tacojim>yzyz
20:04<tacojim>thx
20:04<Willdude>interbird: LSPCI tells me that it's an Intel 82801G (ICH7 family) High Definition Audio Controller, rev. 2.
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20:05<george>so ms didn't change ntfs
20:05<george>yet :)
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20:06<duekiller>how do I change the default session type to kde ?
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20:06<interbird>Willdude: ok, now google for these keywords and read: linux toshiba 82801G sound driver
20:06<george>sounds like a *dm setting
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20:06<lupine_85>for [g|k|x]dm you just select kde as the session type, and it should ask you if you want that to be the default in the future
20:07<lupine_85>config file-wise, it's dm-dependent
20:07<interbird>duekiller: what display-manager are you using? gdm kdm ?
20:07<duekiller>kdm
20:07<duekiller>but when I kill x kdm doesn't pop up
20:08<lupine_85>then it's probably not installed and/or running
20:08<george>how did yo ustart x
20:08<duekiller>ctrl-backspace
20:08<lupine_85>/etc/init.d/kdm start is a good, um, start
20:08<duekiller>that takes me to kdm
20:08<interbird>duekiller: there should be an option setting, select session which will give you choises and ask if you want your choise to be default
20:08<duekiller>then ctrl alt f1
20:08<duekiller>then I delete the x0-lock file
20:09<lupine_85>you delete the lock file...
20:09<lupine_85>why?
20:09<duekiller>cause otherwise x is still running
20:09<lupine_85>if you want to stop X from running (including kdm), then /etc/init.d/kdm stop
20:09<interbird>as root
20:10<duekiller>oh....cool
20:10<duekiller>but then when I use startx I go into gnome
20:10<lupine_85>why are you using startx?
20:11<duekiller>I thought that is how you restart x
20:11<lupine_85>...
20:11<lupine_85>/etc/init.d/kdm start
20:11<duekiller>oh
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20:11<duekiller>ignorace != bliss
20:11<lupine_85>kdm starts X for you
20:11<lupine_85>that's it's job
20:11<interbird>xinit starts plain x; startx is just a front-end and distro dependant
20:11<duekiller>did not know that
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20:12<duekiller>should I create a .xinitrc file
20:12<lupine_85>if you really want one....
20:13<interbird>kdm and gdm are the grphical equivilents of the text-based login: both have options to select session (kde,gnome,xfce) and language and set a default
20:13<duekiller>thanks for the pointers
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20:13[~]lupine_85 is still reeling over the idea of deleting lock files to kill processes
20:14<interbird>yeah; must teach the youth better :-)
20:14[~]duekiller does what seems to work... with complete oblivion to the consequences
20:14<lupine_85>it shows#
20:14<duekiller>:-/
20:14<duekiller>we all have to start somewhere
20:15<lupine_85>mm. with a book.
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20:15<duekiller>need to get one of those
20:15<interbird>online, like man or info
20:15<lupine_85>learn from the accumulated wisdom of the ages
20:15<lupine_85>rather than from your own mistakes :)
20:15<lupine_85></sermon>
20:16<duekiller>I appreciate you sharing the knowledge
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20:16<interbird>duekiller: books are online, in a terminal: man [command] explains the command, like man kdm; or, google or wikipedia <keyword> will te you what you need
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20:17<interbird>debian is the fruit of sharing...
20:18<duekiller>there are so many commands that its tough sometimes to find out which one I need
20:18<interbird>think the other way around
20:18<interbird>there's no need to know all the commands
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20:19<interbird>just the method to learn what you need
20:19<duekiller>google ?
20:20<duekiller>what is the x lock file anyways ?
20:20<interbird>man, this channel and also google; the skill is to know what you want to know and then ask
20:20<lupine_85>it stops X from creating a new display on the same port
20:20<duekiller>oh
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20:20<lupine_85>presumably, doing so (with startx after deleting the lock file) kills the old X session (the KDM one)
20:20<interbird>it is a semaphore, like a traffic-lite...
20:20<duekiller>I usually try google before asking here
20:21<lupine_85>seems awfully unreliable and prone to memory leaks &c to me, though
20:21<interbird>if you delete a lock-file, you actually screw-out the traffic-light but you don't syop the traffic; on the contrary...
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20:22<interbird>it's phrone if one deletes such a file
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20:23<duekiller>thanks for the crash course
20:23<interbird>all in a miniutes work :-)
20:23<interbird>s/bad/goodspelling
20:23<csatlose>exit
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20:24<duekiller>going to start playing around
20:24<carol>ola
20:24<carol>poderia me ajudar ?
20:24[~]duekiller going to put some of this new knowledge to work
20:24<streuner>!pt
20:24<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:24<interbird>duekiller: create a test-user and play with that
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20:27<lucas_amorim>Hello! I have just bought a "generic" USB joypad. How do I make it work on my debian lenny system? Is there a package suitable for this? By the way, it is a "Leadership Gamer - Joypad Superfight".
20:28<interbird>!games
20:28<dpkg>somebody said games was Some cool multiplayer games: koth, netris, quake, xevil, bzflag or the only piece of software that is allowed to be non-free, because they are more like an art form than a program, or http://www.uniball-central.com, or #gametome for newer games. WikiWikiWeb:LinuxGames, or http://www.mtp-target.org, jumpnbump, supertux, gtetrinet and pathogen, or nethack, or freeciv, or dopewars, or http://icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
20:28<lucas_amorim>?
20:29<lupine_85>it should just appear on /dev/input/js0
20:29<lucas_amorim>I think it is more a debian issue...
20:29<lucas_amorim>oh
20:29<lucas_amorim>ok.
20:29<lupine_85>plug it in, check the output of dmesg
20:29<lucas_amorim>I am going to try
20:29<lupine_85>HID devices are generally /very/ well-supported
20:29<lucas_amorim>input: USB GamePad STD. as /class/input/input5
20:29<lucas_amorim>input: USB HID v1.00 Gamepad [USB GamePad STD.] on usb-0000:00:10.3-2
20:30<lucas_amorim>:)
20:30<lupine_85>win
20:30<lupine_85>/bed
20:30<lucas_amorim>\/bed?
20:30<lucas_amorim>what do you mean?
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20:39<TINHOSOOOOO>oi
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20:40<TINHOSOOOOO>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
20:40<lupine_85>/bed == "I'm off to bed"
20:40<lupine_85>except I'm not, since I've got a shift to work
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20:41<TINHOSOOOOO>yes
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20:41<lupine_85>afternoon
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20:42<interbird>s#/ben#/work :-)
20:42<interbird>s/ben/ben
20:42<interbird>s/ben/bed -- this kb.....
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20:49<interbird>There is initrd and initramfs, i've been playing with both and a stock kernel booted using qemu, just to get to a prompt; but behaviour is strange. Anyone knows some "gotcha's" on this stuff ?
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20:53<user01>how do you check md5sums? i downloaded lenny install and im getting a lot of red screens at install
20:54<chealer>user01: with md5sum(1)
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20:56<user01>chealer: thanks was using md5sums
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21:01<user01>chealer: am i checking the md5 sum correctly? cat /media/cdrom0 | md5sum
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21:02<user01>chealer: sums are completely different from iso
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21:04<user01>hmmm net install doesnt have same md5sum either
21:05<george>what if you got etch netinstall cd, check that md5sum, and install that base
21:05<george>then immediately upgrade to lenny
21:05<df1amb>user01: try checking the image md5sum ( ~: md5sum your.iso)
21:06<user01>df1amb: yeah the iso was way off . . .
21:06<user01>df1amb: good time to learn how to check sums i guess
21:06<df1amb>correct
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21:08<user01>df1amb: i hope the xfs_repair thing i had to run on home directory didnt mean there is something wrong with disk
21:08<chealer>user01: $ md5sum /media/cdrom0; would be better, but I'm not sure it's valid. I think it worked once, but it usually didn't work for me.
21:08<chealer>maybe stew or dondelelcaro know more about this.
21:09<user01>chealer: well im redownloading the image to try again
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21:09<chealer>I might remember dondelelcaro stating it could depend on the way the CD was burned
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21:10<chealer>user01: the ideal is to ask for verification when burning, obviously
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21:10<george>chealer: right but supposedly he checked the md5sum of the image
21:10<george>and that was wrong
21:10<chealer>george: yes
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21:11<df1amb>user01: this may be that there is anything wrong with your hard disk but maybe you forgot to unmount your disk before reboot and something wierd happend after that. Last time I had the problem my disk had 9 bad blocks.
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21:16<df1amb>user01: but on the other hand it could be nothin' xfs_repair means only that xfs_fsck could not replay the journal to the end.
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21:17<interbird>user01: you have an iso of your lenny download ?
21:18<user01>interbird: yep
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21:18<user01>df1amb: i think it was bad blocks, booted into single user mode, unmount /home and ran xfs_repair
21:18<interbird>user01: did you also download or know the checksum of the iso ?
21:18<user01>interbird: i do now
21:19<interbird>user01: do they match ?
21:19<user01>interbird: yep
21:19<interbird>user01: do you try to burn on cd or dvd ?
21:20<user01>interbird: i just redownloaded it, the first iso didnt match and i didnt check it so i have a cd for a coaster now
21:20<df1amb>user01: when there are bad blocks than your hard disk is not far away from a real bad crash. Try running badblocks /dev/your_device to check that.
21:20<df1amb>user01: badblocks are physical failures of the disk
21:21<interbird>user01: confusing... 1st iso, more iso's. do you have an iso-file that matches the checksum ?
21:21<user01>interbird: this last one does
21:21<user01>e58efeeec5a80314e9f2d9c9b404cc3e
21:21<interbird>user01: how big is it in bytes?
21:22<user01>e58efeeec5a80314e9f2d9c9b404cc3e
21:22<user01>yep theyre the same this time
21:22<interbird>that's the checksum, how big is it in bytes ?
21:23<interbird>ls -l lenny.iso
21:23<user01>139.6MB
21:23<user01>146382848
21:23<interbird>what's the problem burning that to a cdrom or cdrw ?
21:24<user01>interbird: should be nothing wrong with it this time
21:24<user01>interbird: unless the burned checksum doesnt match
21:25<interbird>burned checksums don't match on used cdrws but should match on cdroms but also not always...
21:25<user01>interbird: just a cdr
21:26<user01>df1amb: badblocks need to be run in single user mode?
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21:26<duekiller>evening everyone
21:26<interbird>a cdr is different from a dvd; it depends on the burning software ...
21:27<interbird>cd-roms and cdrws cannot allways be checked against an iso for checksum because there are different ways to burn them; like CDROM, CDROM-multisession, etc.
21:28<user01>interbird: when i do cat /media/cdrom0/ | md5sum i get d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e which is the same as before . . . but not the same
21:28<user01>not the same as e58efeeec5a80314e9f2d9c9b404cc3e
21:28<duekiller>can anyone recommend a good usenet client for kde ?
21:29<interbird>that is caused because what i said; it's no indication the burnt cdrom is bad; just boot from it and see what happens. do you have a dvd-writer ?
21:29<user01>interbird: yep
21:30<interbird>do you have a dvdrw or dvdrom to burn ?
21:30<yujin>which file could be modified to add a path as default searching path for BASH,please?
21:30<chealer>duekiller: ask #debian-kde
21:30<duekiller>thanks
21:30<user01>interbird: yep. . . doesnt seem to work on my laptop though
21:30<interbird>yujin: ~/.bashrc
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21:31<user01>my laptop has a dvd cdrw drive but it doesnt seem to read dvds for booting purposes
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21:31<user01>just as dvd video purposes
21:31<df1amb>user01: Well if the root filesystem is corrupt yes. Otherwise the initial mount process during the boot process returns only a failure. But not sure maybe when the mount during system boot fails it stops in single mode.
21:31<yujin>interbird, how about /etc/profile?
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21:32<interbird>user01: insert a blanc dvd and then as root: growisofs -Z /dev/your-dvd-writer=your-iso-file
21:33<interbird>yujin: you can ask me that question if when you have tried bashrc
21:33<user01>df1amb: is badblocks the command name?
21:33<mrrangerman43>Hey all, does anyone know were iceweasel keep/stores it's bookmarks? I'm trying to import bookmarks and cant find the bookmarks.html file
21:33<df1amb>user01: But currently I do not want tho check that here. Beause all of my CPU power is used to build my own install images.
21:33<df1amb>user01: yep
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21:34<user01>df1amb: oh a su command ok
21:34<tr0gd0r>how can install a new kernel? is it as simple as apt-get install kernel?
21:34<chealer>tr0gd0r: which new kernel do you want to install?
21:35<df1amb>user01: Maybe you should unmount the fs first but I'm not sure
21:35<tr0gd0r>chealer i moved my hdd from an athlon xp to an athlon 64 so i have the -k7 kernel installed
21:35<tr0gd0r>just want to get the right one for my proc
21:35<mrrangerman43>You can install a new kernel image from either apt or synaptic
21:35<user01>df1amb: well i was downloading a bittorrent and then i noticed a bunch of hexadecimal characters at the command line, and was unable to mount the directory with bt files
21:35<chealer>tr0gd0r: yes. install the amd64 Linux image.
21:36<user01>user01: so i ran xfs_repair and it was ok in single user mode
21:36<tr0gd0r>chealer will my 32bit applications all run on the new kernel
21:36<tr0gd0r>?
21:36<chealer>tr0gd0r: yes
21:36<user01>df1amb: how long does the badblocks thing take? it is still going . . .
21:37<tr0gd0r>chealer so how do i get the amd64 kernel? apt-get install ...
21:37<interbird>xfs_repair only repairs the meta-data; it does not and cannot repair file-contents
21:37<mrrangerman43>Anyone know where Debians iceweasel keeps its bookmarks?
21:37<chealer>tr0gd0r: linux-image-amd64
21:37<tr0gd0r>how long will it take
21:37<tr0gd0r>to install
21:38<chealer>tr0gd0r: at least as long at it takes to download.
21:38<df1amb>user01: Dont know how big is your hard disk ??? 30GiB used to run about 2 hours or so.
21:38<tr0gd0r>alright thanks chealer
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21:39<df1amb>user01: The program looks to every sector of your harddisk
21:39<interbird>user01: bittorent-files are sparse-files
21:39<yujin>interbird, thank you,i get it
21:39<user01>df1amb: its a 30GB home directory
21:40<tr0gd0r>chealer will i see any performance increase with the new kernel? and will apt-get now grab 64bit applications instead of 32?
21:40<df1amb>user01: Well than go for a walk or so.
21:40<user01>df1amb: im trying out the new iso burn on laptop
21:41<chealer>tr0gd0r: I suppose. no.
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21:41<df1amb>user01: That is also a good thing todo.
21:42<tr0gd0r>chealer how would I get 64bit apps?
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21:43<chealer>tr0gd0r: you'd reinstall Debian's amd64 port.
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21:43<tr0gd0r>kk thanks
21:44<interbird>user01: about 3 hours on a 30GB depending on cpu-speed and harddisk-speed
21:44<user01>interbird: well i didnt get a red screen with the libc6 libraries were being copied . . . thats a good sign
21:44<yujin>`Bourne-Again SHell' , how to call ' in english,please? i want to make sure is there a typo error in http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html.
21:45<interbird>dunno
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21:46<user01>yujin: you mean bash?
21:46<yujin>user01, yes. the manual for bash
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21:47<mrrangerman43>Can anyone tell me where Debians iceweasel stores its bookmarks please?
21:47<interbird>man bash
21:47<chealer>mrrangerman43: yes
21:47<mrrangerman43>?
21:48<lexel>Bookmarks :)
21:48<user01>yujin: it is a play on words of bourne shell (sh)
21:48<interbird>mrrangerman43: ~/.mozilla/.....ice..... ?
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21:49<lexel>mrrangerman43, oh ... you mean file ?
21:49<george>interbird: the man pages of gnu tools are not maintained as well or as often as the info pages (which the cited web site is a view of)
21:50<yujin>interbird, user01 ,i think that nearly every left single ' and the related right single ' in page http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html are different. is this a typo error?
21:50<mrrangerman43>I'm trying to move bookmarks from one pc to another so as not to lose them.
21:50<interbird>george: so, if you think they are out of date, go help them, ok ?
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21:51<jello>anyone know how to diagnose why i'm not receiving GRE replies from the server when setting up a PPTP tunnel?
21:51<lexel>just copy a .mozilla from you home directory ... it should help
21:51<tr0gd0r>chealer is it unstable to run amd64 kernel with i386 applications?
21:51<george>well, no, it's moreorless on purpose
21:51<yujin> interbird, user01,such as `Bourne-Again SHell',`||', `&&', `&', `;', `;;', `|', `(', or `)'
21:51<chealer>tr0gd0r: it shouldn't
21:51<george>the basic thing I'm telling you is if you're looking for docs for gnu tools, the info pages will usually be better
21:51<lupine_85>tr0gd0r: as long as you have the necessaery libraries, it should all Just Work
21:51<mrrangerman43>I tried searching for them ... find ~/ -name 'bookmarks.html' -type f and come up with zip
21:52<user01>yujin: they mean different things if i understand correctly " is for strings
21:52<tr0gd0r>according to debian.org
21:52<tr0gd0r>https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html
21:52<tr0gd0r>I want to run i386 userland with a 64bit Linux kernel
21:52<tr0gd0r>Running 32bit userland with a 64bit kernel is recommended only for servers needing the absolute stability of 10 years of 32bit debian, but without the memory limitations the IA32 architecture bears, for example a 64bit mysql server on a system with 8GB or 16GB memory.
21:52<tr0gd0r>Running the mixed setup on a workstation is not recommended, because iptables, the XFS filesystem, non-free NVidia and ATI binary drivers do currently not support it.
21:52<interbird>yujin: can you describe your problem in one line please ?
21:52<tr0gd0r>sorry about the paste
21:52<user01>yujin: `` is for quotes
21:52<user01>yujin: at least in LaTeX
21:53<user01>yujin: " '' are not the same
21:53<df1amb>user01: how is it goin' with your installation?
21:53<george>interbird: additionally info pages are usually more fun to read and better organized
21:53<user01>yujin: `` left quotes, '' right quotes " string
21:53<lupine_85>`` are backquotes
21:53<user01>df1amb: went through this time :)
21:53<lupine_85>aka. backticks
21:54<mrrangerman43>thanks all found em
21:54<yujin>user01, interbird , the quotation on both beside of `&' are different char. look carefully on ` and '.
21:54<interbird>george: "better" is relative. besides, who said you are bound to docs? all is on the net. it just takes the right question...
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21:55<user01>yujin: yes that seems correct ` open quote ' close quote
21:57<yujin>user01, i may be wrong. i usually thought that open quote and close quote are same in english.
21:57<user01>yujin: nope
21:57<interbird>yujin: & is interperted by the shell (bash), as are ' and "; to use then you might need to \escape them. That is bash... It's powerfull, but you have to know stuff like this. Things that go for bash sometimes don'nt go for sed, grep, or whatever. There are basic rules however.
21:57<user01>yujin: if it is a string " " it is the same
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21:58<user01>yujin: if it is a quote, a true quote there is a slight difference
21:58<user01>yujin: look at something that is correctly typeset in english
21:58<george>interbird: relative, yes... that's to be expected inasmuch as I'm stating a relationship between two versions of the docs... I'm not (presently :) saying people should read it, altho if they do they'll likely learn something. There are times when no one will and/or can answer certain questions and for that case you're either reading the docs or the source...
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22:00<user01>yujin: http://www.andy-roberts.net/misc/latex/latextutorial7.html look at the quotes section
22:00<df1amb>user01: good to read
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22:01<yujin>user01, interbird , thank you very much. i misunderstand the use of ' and `. thank you
22:01<user01>yujin: hyphenation is also different - is for word continuation -- is for page numbers --- is for ellipses
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22:02<user01>yujin: no problem!
22:03<user01>yujin: again thats all based on things i learn with TeX and LaTeX
22:03<interbird>george: nobody can answer all questions. the first thing is to ask a question that can be answered. all good questions are the result of a little research on the side of the questionaire first. intelligenge dictated to first try to answer one's own questions before asking in public. that what is expected on this channel.
22:03<george>the first thing? I dunno, that seems impolite when the docs exist
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22:04<interbird>yujin: welcome. remember the concept of "escape-characters"; you will encounter them more if you dive further. man is your help.
22:05<interbird>impolite ?
22:05<yujin>user01, i will learn them carefully too.thanks.
22:05<george>interbird: oh, actually yes you're right
22:05<lupine_85>em and en-dashes, woo
22:06<user01>yujin: that said, many people just use " "
22:06<user01>yujin: much faster
22:07<user01>yujin: or ' '
22:07<george>the point I was trying to make before is that there are times when no one can answer questions about certain things, for example if you go deep into experimental territory, or into territory not often travelled.
22:07<user01>yujin: which probably explains your confusion
22:08<user01>yujin: when you type it into most modern word processors " " it will correct to `` ''
22:09<interbird>there is always one to answer, but many questionaires don't have the patiance to wait because the expect instant resolution
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22:10<Ayreonaut>Hey there, anyone got any info on where I can find some decent documentation on getting a Radeon X1300 to run accelerated with Xorg?
22:10<george>as you say, informed questions are better... but questions of the channel have nothing to do with my original point, which was simply that in the specific case of gnu tools, info pages are maintained faster and usually better than man pages
22:10<yujin>user01, i have never used ` before. i did not realize that ` is a quote too.
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22:12<interbird>yes, the webpages of my isp get more frequently updated than de debian pages. true. but what does that say ? and, this is open source my friend. that means: if you don't like it, do something about it, and share your work
22:12<user01>yujin: yes it is the opening quote . . . " " come from programming for strings
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22:13<george>oh, I do like it :) I find reading info pages much more fun than reading man pages whether it's a gnu tool or not
22:13<user01>yujin: like in an english sentence you could see something like . . .
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22:14<interbird>reading is fun; i'd rather read debian-pages three times over that clicking on the pictures of the ever changing site of my isp.
22:15<user01>yujin: then he turned to her and said ``that's crazy! why did you say `all's well that ends well!'? It makes no sense!''
22:15<yujin>user01, yeah. ... does not confuse me.
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22:17<george>interbird: but you realize I'm making a comparison between two types of documentation both of which purport to document the same tool (bash info files versus bash man page, for example)
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22:17<user01>df1amb: now would be good for that walk . . . another 30 min of downloading
22:17<george>what is the comparison you're making? I'm not quite understanding
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22:20<interbird>george: i understan you, but you do not understand me. open source means you can propose your input through a channel so it get's back to you. you are comparing feedback of two of your friend, complaining about them being out-of-sync, and not writing yourself. don't complain about thing given to you for free. by a book then.
22:21<george>interbird: I'm not complaining... just letting you know :)
22:22<george>I'm only saying: "here's a better source of information"
22:22<interbird>don't let me know, i know. lt both authors you find out-of-sync know. and they know too. because they make it freely.
22:23<interbird>where is this 'better' source ?
22:23<george>usually it's located in the source distribution of the tool
22:23<interbird>i like apples and i don't like peers; i like apples. are they 'better' than peers ?
22:24<tr0gd0r>how can i increase the size of my swapfile?
22:24<df1amb>user01: I can imagine. On my laptop I am trying to build one of that live cds but when the image is created I can not boot in in my virtual machine. This it horrible. but I think I fixed it this time.
22:24<george>connection reset by apple?
22:24<interbird>usually people are not honest about themselves
22:24<interbird>'usually'....
22:25<df1amb>tr0gd0r: swapfile or partition ?
22:25<tr0gd0r>its a file
22:25<interbird>coonection retained by linux
22:26<interbird>s/coonection/connection
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22:28<interbird>george: i have learned that it makes no sense to say what one likes; or what one does not like; i've learned to listen more. i like you
22:28<df1amb>tr0gd0r: erase it and make a new. Or call "~: dd append if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=512M count=1"
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22:28<george>cool.
22:28<interbird>peer
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22:30<mzhang>Is it true that firefox/icedove always takes very long to start? Any way to make it faster?
22:30<df1amb>but in any case I think you have to do a swapoff before and a mkswap after that.
22:31<tr0gd0r>df1amb: i dont have a /swap does that mean i have a swap partition?
22:31<tr0gd0r>i dont see the partition when doing df
22:31<george>that's true, you won't see a swap partition, it's not a filesystem or part of one
22:31<interbird>mzhang: first time yes, second time should be faster. it's not as fast as on windows but it's safer
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22:32<george>it's just a hunk of storage
22:32<df1amb>but you can ask mount
22:32<tr0gd0r>george well i didnt set this system up so im not sure if its using a partition or a file
22:32<george>take a look in /etc/fstab
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22:32<df1amb>and maybe your /swap is called a little bit different
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22:32<mzhang>interbird: thanks...
22:33<tr0gd0r>df1amb: looks like it is /dev/sda5
22:33<tr0gd0r>so its a partition
22:33<tr0gd0r>its currently 1.5GB and I want to make it 3GB
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22:34<george>are you running against the 1.5g limit?
22:34<tr0gd0r>not that i know of
22:34<tr0gd0r>was just setup as 1.5 because it only has 512mb of ram
22:34<tr0gd0r>but i just upgraded to 2GB
22:34<df1amb>tr0gd0r: than you first have to make another partition smaller.
22:34<tr0gd0r>it only had*
22:35<george>do you have free space on the drive?
22:35<df1amb>tr0gd0r: in this case i think 1.5GB are more than enough.
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22:35<tr0gd0r>df1amb: what about if i had 1GB of ram?
22:35<tr0gd0r>for another machine
22:35<tr0gd0r>how much swap?
22:36<df1amb>tr0gd0r: my server is running with about 1GB and a swap of 512MB
22:36<george>it's going to be more difficult unless you have 3g of contiguous unpartitioned space somewhere
22:36<df1amb>and no problem with that
22:36<tr0gd0r>alright thanks for the info ill stick with 1.5
22:36<george>now having said that I think you can define a second swap partition
22:36<interbird>swap will only be used when running out of ram; increasing ram should result in less use of swap. if free gives 0 or little bytes used for swap, there is no need to enlarge a swap parition
22:36<tr0gd0r>sounds like it would be a pain to repartition
22:36<george>probably
22:37<lupine_85>just add a swap file or two, if you need it
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22:38<interbird>that can only be done if there is free space
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22:38<interbird>or in a file...
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22:39<george>with these very large drives (250g and up), it's become my practice to leave a LOT of space unpartitioned
22:39<george>and to use lvm
22:39<tr0gd0r>does DF show freespace?
22:39<george>on the drive? no
22:39<george>but it will per partition
22:40<tr0gd0r>i think it might have unpartitioned space
22:40<tr0gd0r>but then again im not sure
22:40<tr0gd0r>not my box, only been on it for 10 mins
22:40<tr0gd0r>lol
22:40<george>you can try fdisk -l
22:40<df1amb>fdisk -l
22:40<george>what do you want to accomplish? what would its owner like?
22:40<Ayreonaut>Hey there, anyone got any info on where I can find some decent documentation on getting a Radeon X1300 to run accelerated with Xorg?
22:41<tr0gd0r>./dev/sda1 * 1 30219 242734086 83 Linux
22:41<tr0gd0r>./dev/sda2 30220 30401 1461915 5 Extended
22:41<tr0gd0r>./dev/sda5 30220 30401 1461883+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
22:41<tr0gd0r>just seeing if it had freespace to make a new swap, but doesnt look like it
22:41<interbird>Ayreonaut: did you check the ati-site for linux-drivers ?
22:41<george>is 30401 the last cyl?
22:42<tr0gd0r>yes
22:42<george>maybe the radeon driver will work for the x1300, or maybe the fglrx driver will
22:42<df1amb>Ayreonaut: go to radeon page, download the linuxdriver and follow the instructions in their install guide
22:42<Ayreonaut>fglrx doesn't seem to be supported by XORG
22:43<george>well it's proprietary
22:43<Ayreonaut>and fglrx is that driver
22:43<Ayreonaut>george: yeah, which is why I'm looking for documentation on doing it without fglrx...as debian runs xorg
22:44<df1amb>Ayreonaut: did yu follow their instructions in the howto ??
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22:44<george>maybe the radeon driver or ati driver will work
22:44<interbird>maybe is no answer
22:44<george>got the new kernel
22:44<Ayreonaut>I assume it will to some degree...
22:45<Ayreonaut>but I"m trying to get as much out of this as possible, as VESA works for kinda
22:45<george>interbird: the point is he could try it and see
22:45<tr0gd0r>is irc.debian.org #debian the same as irc.freenode.net?
22:45<george>no, this is oftc.net
22:45<interbird>george: you think he did not think of that?
22:45<george>no idea :)
22:46<interbird>ahh
22:46<Ayreonaut>interbird: It's a pretty safe assumption (except for this time) ;)
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22:46<george>people run the gamut between really new and really experienced
22:46<Ayreonaut>I mean, if there's nothin out there, there's nothin out there, but I was just curious if someone could help me find out either way
22:46<george>I could ask him a lot of questions to determine his level...
22:47<george>and then consider that level in my answers
22:47<Ayreonaut>I have considered the generic radeon drivers, but I assume since the better drivers are available, there's something it's lacking as to my particular application
22:47<interbird>Ayreonaut: There are a few steps; the first one is to check if the card is supported -- that spells google.
22:47<george>Ayreonaut: what is your particular application?
22:47<jae>Who's using reiserfs? Me? I'm about to get rid of it, finally (OOPS... haven't seen an oops in years)
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22:48<Ayreonaut>radeon X1300
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22:48<george>nono, what do you intend to do with it?
22:48<george>that's why I'm asking what your application is
22:48<george>or what did you mean by "particular application"?
22:49<Ayreonaut>well... I don't know yet ;) but I wanna do it anyway. Probably running games on occasion that will require it
22:49<Ayreonaut>when I get in those week long stretches where I actually feel like playing
22:49<george>what driver are you using now?
22:49<Ayreonaut>VESA
22:49<df1amb>Ayreonaut: try that link http://wiki.cchtml.com/
22:49<interbird>jae: I am, but I use about everything except FAT :)
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22:50<george>hmm, well that definitely won't run games that require 3d accel...
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22:50<george>what you might do is try each, and run the glxgears program and see how fast/slow it is
22:50<df1amb>Ayreonaut: it is from the Ati homepage delivered with the driver. And the driver discription says it supports Xorg until 7.2
22:50<george>you might also try it now
22:50<Ayreonaut>df1amb: it seems to think it's packaged with debian... which it's not. and the installer walkthrough linked there doesn't help much at all
22:51<george>just so you can get an idea of the difference between accel and not-accel
22:51<Ayreonaut>well... It's ugly to say the least without... I've seen it trying to set up Cedega before I'd even considered the driver (skipped a step)
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22:52<df1amb>Ayreonaut: ask rpmseek.com for a Debian package. But there should be also a package in the repo
22:52<george>the reason I'd suggest trying radeon or ati driver first, is you might have it right now
22:53<Ayreonaut>yeah
22:54<george>it might at least improve the glxgears run
22:54<Ayreonaut>yeah, givin it a go now
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22:57<Ayreonaut>appears with radeon or atimisc (which is what I'm assuming I should use after downloading xserver-xorg-video-ati)
22:58<Ayreonaut>it doesn't work
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22:58<george>hmm. why?
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22:59<Ayreonaut>I dunno
22:59<george>ok, what happens when you try?
22:59<george>how are you trying also?
22:59<Ayreonaut>changing the .conf and /etc/init.d/kdm restart
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23:00<Ayreonaut>that should do it right?
23:00<george>true, it should...
23:00<Ayreonaut>I mean, it makes it work again when I set it back to vesa...
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23:00<george>maybe there's a log file /var/log/Xorg(something).log
23:00<george>ok
23:01<george>what happens when you do the restart?
23:02<Ayreonaut>failed to load module
23:02<Ayreonaut>is what the log seemed to say about it
23:02<george>ahh. which one?
23:02<Ayreonaut>well, atimisc the last time, lemme check the other
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23:03[~]george will be rebooting shortly
23:04<Supaplex>george: you? or your machine? That's a feat I have to see. (the former)
23:04<Ayreonaut>with radeon, which does appear to explicitly support it, it claims there's no matching device (EE) no device detected
23:04<Ayreonaut>em...
23:04<Ayreonaut>lemme try something
23:04<george>Supaplex: no, you misread! I will be rebooting my machine called "shortly"!
23:05<Ayreonaut>yeah, nevermind, I've got nothin
23:05[~]interbird thanks george and others for the nice chat. gonna be off to a dreamed-off world (sleep). return (fruit apples_and_peers) TRUE;
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23:06<george>apples and... peers? :)
23:06<df1amb>a bottle of wine would be better by now
23:07<Ayreonaut>appears I might have fglrx somehow but be missing some library....?
23:08<george>oh, the fglrx driver is there?
23:09<Ayreonaut>appears so... and it appears to be actually trying to do it...
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23:10<Ayreonaut>maybe I misread something about the compatability
23:10<Supaplex>!beer df1amb
23:10[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for df1amb
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23:11[~]Ayreonaut wonders how df1amb did that.
23:11[~]Ayreonaut wants one too
23:11<Supaplex>!beer Ayreonaut
23:11[~]dpkg pours a quart of Piraat for Ayreonaut
23:11<george>!beer Ayreonaut
23:11[~]dpkg pulls out an exquisite Spaten Optimator for Ayreonaut
23:12<Ayreonaut>how do I get the 90min!?
23:12<george>you have to wait until dpkg randomly picks that one :)
23:12[~]Ayreonaut gives up and drinks all the other beer dpkg keeps pouring
23:13<george>I think we can try once more without too much trouble
23:13<george>!beer Ayreonaut
23:13[~]dpkg pulls out a fine Guinness for Ayreonaut
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23:13<df1amb>actually I do not realy know what that Dogfishhead 90min IPA is ....
23:13<Ayreonaut>and as you say that, probably the worst one in the bunch :(
23:13<Ayreonaut>it's probably the greatest IPA ever brewed!
23:14<george>we can do it this way...
23:14[~]george deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for Ayreonaut
23:15<Ayreonaut>anyhoo X log says libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory... something that comes in a package I can apt I hope ;)
23:15<df1amb>btw in my opinion nuke is the best command
23:15<Supaplex>!start a beer war
23:15[~]dpkg removes the guinness taps and starts spraying boddingtons everywhere
23:15<simonrvn>Ayreonaut: yes
23:15<george>!start a war war
23:15<dpkg>OS wars suck ass!
23:16<df1amb>!nuke redmond orbit
23:16[~]dpkg fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at redmond orbit
23:16<Supaplex>!literal CMD: beer (.*?)
23:16<dpkg>"cmd: beer (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (pulls out (a fine|an excellent|an exquisite|a tasty|a nicely refined)|pours a (pint|litre|quart) of|deftly decants a fine) (Guinness|Spaten Optimator|Spaten Pils|Jever|Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Gulden Drak|Bornem Tripple|Dileriem Tremens|Franziskaner Hefeweizen) for $1"
23:16<Supaplex>Ayreonaut: ^^^^^^
23:17<Ayreonaut>simonrvn: any idea which one it might be? I already downloaded one of the libstdc++ jobbies and it doesn't appear to help... and I'm not sure how to find out which has it
23:17<george>Ayreonaut: ohh
23:17<george>try apt-get install libstdc++
23:17<Ayreonaut>jobbies == packages
23:18<simonrvn>apt-cache search libstdc++
23:18<george>I'm actually not sure that's the right package name
23:18<Supaplex>apt-file is your friend.
23:18<Ayreonaut>yeah, tried both of those... the search gives me a whole bunch of crap that I have no idea what the hell it is
23:18<Ayreonaut>Supaplex: I'm guessing that helps me find the package that contains said file?
23:18<Supaplex>yup
23:19<Supaplex>apt-file search bin/foo
23:19<Ayreonaut>bin/foo?
23:19<Supaplex>partial/full path/name etc.
23:19[~]george built a debian jobby
23:19<Supaplex>$ apt-file search /usr/bin/less
23:19<Supaplex>less: usr/bin/less
23:20[~]george installed said jobby too... and now it says... "please manualy create an initrd image"
23:20<Ayreonaut>returned nothing
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23:21<george>try: apt-get install libstdc++5
23:21<Ayreonaut>me thinks I just did that, but lemme make sure
23:22<george>with the 5 too, I had the name wrong before
23:22<Ayreonaut>well, maybe not
23:22<Ayreonaut>no... I already installed one of the packages, I thought that was it but it wasn't
23:22<george>oh ok
23:22<Ayreonaut>HA!
23:23[~]Ayreonaut pours george a 90min IPA!
23:23<george>still no?
23:23<george>yes?
23:23<Ayreonaut>yep, works
23:23<Ayreonaut>so far anyways
23:23<george>awesoime
23:23<Ayreonaut>with fglrx
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23:23<george>so see if the gears spin fast now
23:24<Ayreonaut>what was that command again?
23:24<george>you can also look at the output of glxinfo to see if direct rendering is enabled
23:24<george>glxgears
23:25<Ayreonaut>seem to move sorta slow
23:26<Ayreonaut>with the big one getting maybe 4rpms
23:26<george>what was it like before
23:27<george>but they should be spinning pretty fast
23:27<Ayreonaut>before they moved really fast but sorta flickered, like with a really crappy frame rate
23:27<george>4 rpm, so one rev every 15 secs?
23:28<Ayreonaut>but the output (command line) of glxgears says somethin like 711.260fps
23:28<Ayreonaut>yeah, about
23:28<Ayreonaut>I don't know what the hell that means (the fps part)
23:28<george>maybe it's going so fast it just looks slow?
23:28<george>frames per sec
23:28<df1amb>frames per second
23:28<george>ond
23:28<Ayreonaut>well, yeah, Igot that. but 711.260?
23:28<george>that's fast
23:28<Ayreonaut>yes it is
23:29<george>does it say direct rendering is enabled?
23:29<george>err the glxinfo command
23:29<Ayreonaut>very fast....but normal... I don't know... I'm just used to in game FPS i suppose
23:29<Ayreonaut>no direct rendering
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23:30<george>hmm
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23:30<amphi>Ayreonaut: strobe effect ;)
23:30<frank>hi
23:30<george>could you review your log, maybe it says why dri still not going
23:30<frank>everyone here
23:30<george>now that you're here, I'd say so
23:30<frank>i need help
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23:32<george>we would probably need to know what you need help with
23:32<Ayreonaut>does no DRM connection driver seem to be a hint?
23:33<Ayreonaut>"maybe kernel driver module missing or bad"
23:34<Ayreonaut>so back to me not knowing what the hell is going on. I saw nothing that seemed to have anything to do with this when i configured the kernel that i didn't turn on
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23:35<Ayreonaut>man I went from being very pumped to being even more frustrated
23:35[~]Ayreonaut takes the beer back from george.
23:35<george>Ayreonaut: sometimes it happens that way :)
23:36<Ayreonaut>yeah
23:36<Ayreonaut>X seems to be the bane of my linux existence on EVERY install!
23:37<george>but wait :) you do have a graphic interface... just not dri
23:37<Ayreonaut>unless it's my file server... on which I happily ignore it
23:37<Ayreonaut>right
23:37<george>right, a file server doesn't even need x at all
23:37<Ayreonaut>exactly... and I Love it
23:38<george>or a mouse...
23:38<george>keyboard... monitor...
23:38<Ayreonaut>unfortunately it's the 3d accel I'm looking for, and this is starting to make my eyes want to exploded
23:38<Ayreonaut>minus the last 'd'
23:38<gabriel>hello
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23:38<george>when the glxgears were spinning really fast, you did seem to have dri
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23:39<Ayreonaut>I don't know... they looked 3d, and they spun... I'm not sure
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23:39<george>you could verify this by going to the setup where you had that (which was?)
23:39<df1amb>even if the dri is not active more than 700 fps is verry good I think
23:39<Ayreonaut>where I had what?
23:39<george>run glxgears to make sure it is, then run glxinfo
23:40<george>where you had the fast spinning gears
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23:40<Ayreonaut>ok
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23:40<Ayreonaut>that was vesa... don't we already know the answer?
23:40<george>what was that setup btw?
23:40<george>vesa??
23:40<Ayreonaut>yeah
23:40<Ayreonaut>but like I said
23:40<Ayreonaut>retardedly ugly
23:40<Ayreonaut>I think it was just confused...not running properly
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23:41<george>that's possible
23:41<Ayreonaut>they looked more like an impact wrench that is stuck... just kinda rotating a small fraction VERY quickly
23:41<Ayreonaut>back and forth
23:41<george>this might cause a kernel oops (did for me once) but you could try modprobe fglrx
23:41<Ayreonaut>if that gives you an idea
23:42<Ayreonaut>not found
23:42<Ayreonaut>heh
23:42<george>*: what's the name of the kernel part of fglrx?
23:42<george>maybe it's fglrx-driver
23:42<Ayreonaut>I have no idea
23:43<Ayreonaut>FATAL module not found
23:43<Ayreonaut>I didn't even see anything about it in the kernel config
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23:44<george>you could try #ati
23:44<george>they do support that driver
23:44<Ayreonaut>you're just trying to keep me from continuing to bug you aren't you!?
23:44<george>no, you're definitely welcome to stay
23:45<Ayreonaut>well, welcome or not I'm gonna (I was kidding)
23:45<Ayreonaut>there's no one in #ati... unless I misunderstood
23:45<george>oh, ok
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23:46<george>that's right, the #ati you'd fire up an additional irc client and point it at freenode.net
23:46<george>the #ati I was thinking of is there
23:46<Ayreonaut>sweet
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23:55<Willdude>lupine_85: You were quite correct about the version of Linux kernel I was using. As we speak, I'm downloading testing distribution, which has much newer toys, bells and whistles than even etch does. Let's keep our fingers crossed ... At any rate, many thanks to you, to George, and to Interbird for the inspiration and the ide
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23:58<Willdude>lupine_85 and the ideas, that was supposed to read! Good-night.
23:59<george>Willdude: welcome; best of luck.
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