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00:00<Supaplex>what will a reboot solve, that insmod lp alone will not?
00:02<george>generally reboots need to happen when the kernel changes
00:03<george>one thing other than that, is if you want to test to see if your current booting situation works
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00:03<george>for that case, having a known working boot would be a good thing ;)
00:04<Supaplex>it's just the lp module. I question the completeness of the howto I'm looking at.
00:04<george>what happens when you modprobe that?
00:04<george>lp is the parallel port, isnt' it?
00:05<Supaplex>yes. it loads, but syslog shows kernel: lp: driver loaded but no devices found
00:06<george>there's this other driver I think is called parport
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00:09<Supaplex>well cups keeps ignoring it. humm let's restart that.
00:11<george>how is your printer connected
00:13<Supaplex>25pin dsub to 36pin centronics cable
00:14<user01>i have a hard drive that is formatted into the linux portion and then a fat portion . . . how do i get it to mount the fat portion automatically for a user?
00:15<gsimmons>!tell user01 -about vfatrw
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00:21<tr0gd0r>whats a good ftp server that easy to setup and can use a different userdb than my system
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00:26<george>tr0gd0r: maybe find a server that can use postgres, or ldap
00:26<user01>can peers go into /etc/ppp/peers/
00:26<tr0gd0r>george i need something that will support FXP
00:26<tr0gd0r>and only need 1 or 2 users
00:27<tr0gd0r>will pureftpd do that?
00:29<george>the docs should tell you something about its features
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00:40<george>wonder if proftpd will do it
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00:47<user01>how do i give access to user01 to run ppp scripts (pon provider)?
00:47<user01>user i mean :)
00:48<simonrvn>adduser user dip IIRC
00:48<george>user01: that;s all connected with networking; I dunno how to give the user the ability to run all that...
00:48<george>maybe sudo
00:49<tr0gd0r>i installed pureftpd, now where would the startup command be stored?
00:49<user01>i can start networking as root
00:50<george>user01: true
00:50<user01>i would like to just be able to do "pon provider" at terminal for user
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00:53<user01>hmm i guess i could just login as root everytime and then . . . exit out
00:55<george>user01: simonrvn suggested earlier that if your user were in the dip group you could then pon and poff
00:56<simonrvn>or use sudo
00:56<user01>george: well i typed that line as typed
00:57<simonrvn>you then need to log out, or sg
00:57<simonrvn>er, sg dip
00:57<george>that would not be any user, that would only be specific users that you add to that group, therefore allowing just that/those users you pick to be able to pon
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01:00<user01>simonrvn: so i typed in "adduser user dip"
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01:01<user01>simonrvn: doesnt seem to work . . . unless i dont understand what dip is
01:02<simonrvn>a group, heh
01:02<user01>simonrvn: it doesnt show up on my group list
01:02<user01>under administration
01:03<tr0gd0r>i changed the ssh port in /etc/ssh/ssh_config and restarted my server and the ssh port didnt change
01:03<tr0gd0r>did i do something wrong?
01:03<george>user01: are you in that group? (type: groups)
01:03<simonrvn>it's a system group...
01:05<simonrvn>you might need to chgrp some stuff, and set them to g+w, but that's about it (at least i had to when i set that up). you could always forgo this and use sudo like george and i said earlier
01:05<user01>simonrvn: so i have to do adduser user IIRC as well?
01:05<dpkg>IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly"
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01:05<george>no, iirc was just a comment he made
01:06<user01>though it was an irc client
01:06<george>If I Really Chat?
01:06<george>that's kinda cute
01:07<user01>intuitive internet relay chat i was thinking . . .
01:08<user01>simonrvn: did you say i had to reboot for the dip association to work?
01:08<george>so back to this thing... does groups say you're presently a member of dip?
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01:09<user01>george: in gnome no
01:10<george>ok, so it seems that you've added yourself to the group and yet groups reports otherwise
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01:10<george>try doing this:
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01:10<george>log out of your gnome session, then log back in and come back
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01:12<user01>george: nope
01:15<user01>there it goes :)
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01:15<user01>george: it was hidden weird
01:15<user01>had to check show all users and groups
01:15<tr0gd0r>anyone tell me how to change SSH port? I changed the port in sshd_config and reloaded ssh and its still running on 22
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01:16<simonrvn>user01: no, i didn't say reboot
01:16<user01>is there a program i need to install to enable hot swapping between modem and ethernet?
01:17<user01>simonrvn: well restarting gnome worked
01:17<simonrvn>tr0gd0r: you have "Port XX" in that?
01:17<tr0gd0r>i put Port 3333
01:17<simonrvn>see auth.log, it'll tell you what ssh is doing
01:17<tr0gd0r>then /etc/init.d/sshd reload
01:17<tr0gd0r>it reloaded
01:18<simonrvn>you may have to actually do restart (won't kill current sessions)
01:18<tr0gd0r>well i changed it then rebooted
01:18<tr0gd0r>still on port 22
01:18<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps
01:18<tr0gd0r>so i made sure i changed it
01:18<tr0gd0r>then did reload
01:18<tr0gd0r>still on 22
01:18<tr0gd0r>something is messed p
01:19<user01>simonrvn: is there a group i need to add to give me permission to mount the vfat partition? or just add it to fstab?
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01:19<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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01:20<simonrvn>tr0gd0r: see sshd_config; look for Listen and Port (a lot more in-depth)
01:20<simonrvn>also, will probably point to what the problem is ;). it says to put Port *before* any 'Listen' stanzas
01:21<simonrvn>now, i have a load of stuff to do right now. good luck, and have fun kids ;)
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01:22<tr0gd0r>sshd_config worked
01:22<tr0gd0r>yay thanks simonrvn
01:23<tr0gd0r>now to figure out how to change port on pure-ftpd seems to be harder than expected
01:23<simonrvn>pure-ftpd is unusual in that it uses files to configure it
01:23<simonrvn>...with the options you want as filenames
01:23<user01>simonrvn: thanks . . . how do i figure out the partition name?
01:24<user01>i know it is 40.4GB in size
01:24<simonrvn>cfdisk fdisk.. take your pick
01:24<simonrvn>gparted, whatever you use usually
01:24<tr0gd0r>simonvrm i added the options i wanted to inetd.conf but that didnt seem to work
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01:28<user01>simonrvn: in that vfat thing . . . can i do uid=1000,1001,1002 ?
01:29<user01>simonrvn: or have just a gid and not a uid>
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01:30<dpkg>vfat is, like, a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw", or you should not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it.
01:31<streuner>read what the bot tells you
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01:38<user01>oops i think i underestimated usr directory . . . already using 44% of 6 GB
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02:49<tr0gd0r>is there a script that will be executed every boot?
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02:52<terra>hi how can I mount automatically usb-mass...? I use usbmount now but umounting as user don t work.
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02:54<terra>that mean it work great but my problem is that sync for fat-fs is not fully implemented
02:54<terra>so umount of usb-thing would solve the problem in an easy way
02:55<terra>or how could i change /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf
02:56<terra>so that the umount as user works?
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02:59<bcochofel>Where can I find a list of pci WiFi cards that work on debian?
02:59<user01>how do i get ipw2100 installed?
02:59<Supaplex>work? or work well? ;)
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03:01<bcochofel>Supaplex: work well...
03:01<dpkg>it has been said that hcl is at, or see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or, or
03:01<bcochofel>Supaplex: I know that bcm43xx work with ndiswrapper but I want some that as drivers for etcvh
03:02<Supaplex>I hear the madwifi drivers are pretty good.
03:02<dpkg>[madwifi] a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.
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03:02<Supaplex>for atheros chipsets of course
03:03<bcochofel>Supaplex: thx
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03:04<user01>if my lspci shows my wireless card, shouldnt i be able to use it?
03:05<cahoot>bcochofel, just FYI bcm43xx is the kernel module for broadcom wifis - no related to ndis
03:05<Supaplex>user01: there are a lot of devices lspci can see that lack driver support. what's the device listing for that item?
03:05<cahoot>well at least some broadcom wifis
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03:05<Supaplex>user01: lspci -nn (and only one line please)
03:05<bcochofel>cahoot: I know, but my noetebook card doesn't work well with that driver
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03:05<bcochofel>cahoot: so I have to use ndiswrapper
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03:06<user01>Supaplex: PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI adapter
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03:06<dpkg>hmm... ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from and drop that in /usr/local/lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100
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03:07<myki>Hi. I have a problem with nvidia drivers. I've followed instructions on using m-a etc, but I've come to the point when I have to install nvidia-glx package from repository. On my testing, there's no such package in repo. According to it only exists in both stable and unstable releases. Is it safe to mix packages from testing and unstable/stable? If so, how to do it?
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03:08<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro".
03:09<Supaplex>!tell myki -about simple sid backport
03:09<Supaplex>!tell myki -about backports
03:09<myki>thank you
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03:10<myki>I've also heard from friend that there's an option to include all repositiories in sources.list and add priorities to it, i.e. when given package is unavailible on testing it asks if it can get it from stable. What's that called?
03:11<user01>Supaplex: it cant find ipw2100-modules
03:12<user01>Supaplex: im running testing
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03:14<ziaaddils>hi all! is there a special way to make iceweasel fonts better..
03:15<Supaplex>user01: are you using a custom kernel?
03:16<user01>Supaplex: lenny's default
03:16<user01>Supaplex: 2.6.22
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03:17<Supaplex>user01: did you <search> for ipw2100 ?
03:18<Supaplex>maybe they changed the name slightly
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03:18<user01>Supaplex: lsmod | grep ipw2100
03:18<Supaplex>!tell user01 -about search
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03:21<user01>Supaplex: so i did apt-cache search ipw2100 and nothing happened
03:21<Supaplex>I'd check module-assistant next
03:21<Supaplex>I only have etch installed. :)
03:22<Supaplex>atleast for the timebeing anyway. <chroot install> (actually vserver guest)
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03:37<fxiny>Supaplex: how much ram needed for a vserver ?
03:37<fxiny>i mean minum
03:38<user01>wait if lsmod shows ipw2100 and then a 0 next to it . . . how do i activate it?
03:44<cahoot>does dmesg tell your wifi is recognized?
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03:46<Supaplex>fxiny: it's shared system-wide. I had 8 guests sqooze on 512mb of ram, but swap was about 512mb deep. now (thanks to an untimely power-outtage) I slapped 3 more 512mb sticks in. my workstation has 1.5gb, production server has 2gb. both are happy. I have an amd64 staging box with 1gb (that's usually idle, or off waiting on wol)
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03:49<fxiny>Supaplex: oh nice ! i'll have a go with a 512 box then i'll be happy with a couple of guests just to see how it performs , tx :)
03:49<Supaplex>armada:~# vserver-stat | grep -v root
03:49<Supaplex>49153 2 3.9M 1.4M 0m00s00 0m00s10 21m55s62 lenny
03:50<Supaplex>almost nothing, unless you install a daemon. usually you want its own ip to, but I don't bother unless I really need it.
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03:52<fxiny>i'll use a 3.5G root partition etch cloned plus lvm to add var space , i found a google about perfromances : looks very close to xen
03:53<Supaplex>xen has more overhead
03:53<Supaplex>there's one kernel running the host and all guests
03:54<Supaplex>there's even a vserver+xen kernel, so you can run everything under vserver, failing that, xen.
03:54<Supaplex>by xen == domU of course
03:55<Supaplex>vservers run w/dom0
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03:56<user01>Carlos: from portugal?
03:57<fxiny>not enought resources for xen . i'll get another box for it
03:57<user01>Carlos: tudo bem?
03:57<Carlos>user01, no...
03:58<user01>Carlos: oh hmmm. . . there was another carlos . . .
03:58<Carlos>yep. I am surprised I was able to get in with this nick...
03:58<fxiny>i don't really feel to give money to some b*stard hardware vendors
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04:00<fxiny>they'd better bend over on the media if they wish to get mine :))
04:01<fxiny>vista is giving them headeache ? ok : i have the cure : linux user CASH
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04:03<fxiny>i noticed lately some nvidia/ati smiling guys in the woods : good !
04:03<Supaplex>fxiny: xen+x11 don't play well, in my findings. :-/
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04:05<fxiny>Supaplex: good reason to get the same idiots above on supporting xen : we'd love playing with xen not halo !
04:05<Supaplex>I suffer on my slower box. :-/
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04:05<fxiny>Supaplex: but then vmware gone nasdaq could be an issue ;)
04:06<Supaplex>the amd64 has well, 64bit.
04:06<Supaplex>all 3rd party drivers bite
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04:06<Supaplex>i've lost count how many kernel panics I have on 3rd party kernel modules. :P
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04:09<fxiny>Supaplex: as Barry Manilow sang : "time is on our side" . or was it that jaggernaut ? :P
04:09<Carlos>How can I check if classless delegation (revdns) is properly set for given subclass?
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04:10<Supaplex>dig +trace
04:11<fxiny>ok : i've set planner-el for this vserver play . phase two can start : a beeer !
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04:12<xion>hello ppl
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04:13<Supaplex>fxiny: also, it has like 1/4th patch size of uml.
04:13<Tuplad>I've got a question - for like quite a time after a GDM update, I don't have any startup graphic. when I start up my pc, it loads(the text thingies) and then I get like: zarinda login: then zarinda password: and then I have to type startx to get in.
04:13<Supaplex>I forget the exact figure, but it's noticably smaller :)
04:13<Tuplad>what can I do about it ?
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04:14<fxiny>Supaplex: yes ? i think i'll have a nice afternoon :)
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04:16<Supaplex>fxiny: I had *one* vmware guest instance running for a month or two (failed motherboards suxor!). idle load was always 0.07-0.11 or so. with vserver, it's not unusuall for me to see 0.00 every so often. :)
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04:20<fxiny>Supaplex: tx again ! that's exactly what i want to hear . your info are much better then this (scroll at the end for performances ) :
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04:21<fxiny>i don't know how he can run xen with 128MB
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04:23<Supaplex>uh. openwrt! yeah^3.
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04:23<dpkg>one warez list being sent to hometeather
04:24<Supaplex>fxiny: you *can* set/enforce memory limits etc, but by default it's first-come-first-serve.
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04:24<dpkg>one warez list being sent to hometeather
04:25<Supaplex>Hometeather: do you have a debian question?
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04:26<Tuplad>Supaplex: I've got one :)
04:26<Supaplex>Tuplad: 42
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04:27<Tuplad>A week or 2 ago there was a GDM update, since then, I lost graphics at startup. I don't have the GDM, I have to type my username on the black screen, then the password, en then type startx to get in gnome.
04:27<Supaplex>which release?
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04:29<Supaplex>if it's lenny/sid, you're primary rescoure is <bts>. see also <snapshots>
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04:30<Supaplex>dudester: where's my car?
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04:32<Supaplex>Tuplad: if your /etc/rc* links are missing, use update-rc.d for it. maybe you can /etc/init.d/gdm start manually as root to see what it does.
04:32<Supaplex>from the console, no X running.
04:33<Tuplad>Supaplex: lenny sid
04:34<Tuplad>Supaplex: I have rc<1-6>.d in /etc
04:34<Tuplad>also rc.local and rcS.d
04:34<Supaplex>yes, that's by design.
04:35<Supaplex>eg, /etc/rc*/*gdm
04:35<Supaplex>so gdm is bailing out for whatever reason.
04:35<Tuplad>but how do I get it back to start up ? or shall I try to use /etc/init.d/gdm start next time ?
04:35<Supaplex>did you check bts? any similar reports on gdm there?
04:35<Tuplad>I have no idea what bts is
04:35<Supaplex>then you'll die a painfull death on sid.
04:36<Tuplad>switched from windows a time ago
04:36<Supaplex>not my doing ....
04:36<Tuplad>but didn't like stable, software too old
04:36<Supaplex>well, we did name it 'unstable' for a reason :)
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04:37<dpkg>apt-listbugs (apt-get install apt-listbugs) is available since atleast Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to subvert any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>).
04:37<Supaplex>!tell Tuplad -about bts
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04:38<fxiny>stable is a bliss : years of
04:38<Supaplex>testing idealy is only a few weeks behind sid. bugs are fixed etc. overnight suprizes don't happen as quick.
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04:38<fxiny>is like nirvana
04:38<Tuplad>Supaplex: :o that's nice
04:38<fxiny>is like the ultimate car or bike
04:38<Supaplex>they'll show up every once in a while, but it's a lot safer than sid.
04:39<Supaplex>Tuplad: guess what the primary requirement for sid is.
04:39<Supaplex>it builds a debian package w/o failing.
04:39<Supaplex>how many bugs can slip past that? countless.
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04:39<Supaplex>testing requires the package to be bugfree for a holding period.
04:40<fxiny>of course wuthout sid life could be boring : that's another strory
04:40<Supaplex>aka, no show-stopping critical bugs
04:40<Tuplad>ahh, I wish I could understand you :p
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04:40<Tuplad>but what's wrong with building a package without failing ?
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04:40<Supaplex>Tuplad: oh stuff like gdm breaking.
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04:41<Supaplex>sure, it compiles fine. it got wrapped up into a cute debian package ok. but it was like a live bobcat from ebay.
04:41<Carlos>could anyone check what NSes shall handle revdns for
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04:41<Tuplad>can apt-listbugs also be used in aptitude ? I don't really use apt-get
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04:41<Tuplad>Supaplex: lol, so you recommend switching over to testing?
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04:41<Supaplex>yes it can.
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04:42<mzhang>for emule under linux, should I use xmule or amule?
04:42<Supaplex>Tuplad: yes. we don't support sid officially. unless you can wrap your head around it.
04:42<Tuplad>oooh :)
04:42<Supaplex>mzhang: yes
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04:44<mzhang>Supaplex: I mean, which one is better?
04:45<Supaplex>mzhang: I'm afraid if I answer that, you'll then ask me which dress you should wear tonight. sorry. I'm not touching that one.
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04:45<Supaplex>besides, the software return policy is painless here. try something, then try something else. viola.
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04:46<Tuplad>loool :D
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04:46<fxiny>Supaplex: :))))
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04:47<Supaplex>fxiny: how's that for impromptu support? :-D
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04:47<fxiny>Supaplex: BOFH-ish :)))
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04:48<Tuplad>damn, I can't find the manual on how to switch to testing
04:49<Tuplad>debian site is giving me a hard time
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04:49<Supaplex>!tell Tuplad -about sources.list
04:50<Tuplad>Supaplex: I know about the sources.list, but there was like a ready sources.list on the debian site
04:50<Tuplad>that's how I switched to unstable too
04:50<Supaplex>comment/yank/delete any 'sid' or 'unstable' lines.
04:51<Supaplex>apt-get update ; apt-get install --reinstall gdm (might install an older version == might work better then)
04:51<Tuplad>what about other software I've got in sources.list, it has the line sid too
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04:53<Tuplad>Supaplex: I've got like deb sid non-free
04:54[~]Supaplex hands Tuplad a few comment/hash marks.
04:55<Tuplad>:| why ? it may not be updated anymore ?
04:57<Supaplex>if you comment out sid you'll stop getting sid updates. you can still have lenny. it won't actually change what's installed
04:57<Supaplex>anyway, graymatter is tEh wasted. goooooodnight.
04:57<Tuplad>goodnight :)
04:57<franklin>Supaplex, Tuplad, As you may know, downgrading (from unstable to testing, etc) is not officially supported. probably because:1. the packages unstable aren't replaced by testing (older) ones. 2. configuration script to handle upgrade only (apache 2.2 config files won't work on 2.0 etc.)
04:58<Supaplex>I wasn't suggesting downgrading perse.
04:58<Tuplad>franklin: :o
04:59<Supaplex>but yes I'm aware. he can uninstall and reinstall a few select packages (purge is perferred;backup any dearly wanted configs)
04:59<Supaplex>+ should be ok.
04:59<franklin>Tuplad, "not supported" doesn't mean it's impossible.
04:59<Supaplex>eg, gdm.
04:59<Supaplex>I've done it before. it was ... a mighty big pain.
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05:00<franklin>Supaplex, I never tried... too lazy.
05:00<Tuplad>mm, guess I'll stay on unstable and try downgrading somewhen when I've got more linux knowledge :
05:00<Onepamopa>what was the page that runs outside portscan ?
05:00<Onepamopa>I forgot it
05:01<Supaplex>Tuplad: as time goes on, testing will start seeing newer releases.
05:01<Supaplex>slowly you'll still upgrade.
05:01<Supaplex>Onepamopa: grc?
05:01<Onepamopa>ah yes
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05:04<Onepamopa>Your system has achieved a perfect "TruStealth" rating. Not a single packet — solicited or otherwise — was received from your system as a result of our security probing tests. Your system ignored and refused to reply to repeated Pings (ICMP Echo Requests). From the standpoint of the passing probes of any hacker, this machine does not exist on the Internet. Some questionable personal security systems expose their users by attempting to
05:04<Onepamopa>"counter-probe the prober", thus revealing themselves. But your system wisely remained silent in every way. Very nice.
05:04<Onepamopa>well, that works good ;)
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05:09<Tuplad>after apt-get install --reinstall gdm I got: Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdm/etc/ line 153: splashy_chvt: command not found
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05:13[~]Irclordz got problem when trying install irc services, any idea for it?
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05:16<fxiny>hahahaha grc missed 22 open hahahahah
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05:17<fxiny>grc still confusing hackers with himself
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05:18<Onepamopa>fxiny: I opened it
05:18<Onepamopa>Ill set it to stelth later
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05:20<fxiny>what are you running ?
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05:22<Onepamopa>home-made firewall, fxiny
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05:22<Onepamopa>brb, beer
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05:23<fxiny>zonekalarm ?
05:23<fxiny>i bet grc suggests zonekalarm to linux users :P
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05:24<fxiny>i mean : we are in 2007 and he still use the word hacker in the s*iest way
05:25[~]Irclordz got problem when trying install irc services, any idea for it?
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05:31<Irclordz>ircd.c:47: error: static declaration of 'services_bot_umode' follows non-static declaration
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05:31<Irclordz>i got that problem when install neostat
05:31<Irclordz>any idea?
05:32<fxiny>neostat ?
05:33<fxiny>apt-cache can't find it
05:33[~]Irclordz tried configure
05:33<Irclordz>then try make command and i got that thing
05:33<Irclordz>ircd.c:47: error: static declaration of 'services_bot_umode' follows non-static declaration
05:33<Irclordz>ircd.c:47: error: static declaration of 'services_bot_umode' follows non-static declaration
05:33<Irclordz>ircd.h:79: error: previous declaration of 'services_bot_umode' was here
05:33<Irclordz>make: *** [ircd.o] Error 1
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05:37<Irclordz>hello anybody
05:37[~]Petfrogg wonders - who is "anybody"?
05:38<Onepamopa>fxiny: I told u - homemade ;)
05:38<Irclordz>all of you
05:38<Onepamopa>Irclordz: you messed with the source ?
05:39<fxiny>Onepamopa: :)
05:39<Onepamopa>Irclordz: only mess with the source if you know what you doing
05:39<Onepamopa>and in this case - you dont
05:40[~]fxiny goes for a supa-vserver in a minute
05:40<Irclordz>Onepamopa: i just trying ./Config then make then i got that problem,
05:40[~]Onepamopa goes for a beer! ;)
05:40<fxiny>weasel: yes ! a new hack :)
05:40<Onepamopa>Irclordz: did or did you not changed the source in any way?
05:40<fxiny>Supaplex: ^^^^
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05:41<Irclordz>i'm not touch it
05:42<Onepamopa>well, if not - downgrade your gcc
05:42<fxiny>weasel: he (supa) convinced me
05:42<Irclordz>i' just wget
05:42<Onepamopa>to older version
05:42<Onepamopa>downgrade gcc to older version
05:42<Onepamopa>and it will compile
05:42<Onepamopa>then upgrade it again and that's it
05:42<Irclordz>what command i must type ?
05:42<Onepamopa>man apt-get
05:43<Irclordz>gcc older version? what's exactly version?
05:43<fxiny>man ln
05:43<Onepamopa>Irclordz: gcc -v
05:43<Onepamopa>what is current gcc version ?
05:43<weasel>neostat is broken, tell the author to fix it?
05:44<Onepamopa>weasel: it is not, friend of mine had the same problem
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05:44<plokko>hi all
05:44<Onepamopa>and I soved it by downgrading gcc
05:44<fxiny>man ln
05:44<fxiny>Onepamopa: ^^^
05:44<weasel>Onepamopa: if it doesn't build with a recent gcc it's broken.
05:44<Irclordz>gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)
05:44<plokko>anyone know how to configure a linux virtualcluster?
05:45<Onepamopa>weasel: it compiles without a single error
05:45<Irclordz>onepamopa: gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)
05:45<Onepamopa>Irclordz: apt-get remove gcc
05:45<weasel>Onepamopa: with 4.1?
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05:45<Onepamopa>apt-cache search gcc
05:45<Onepamopa>find some older version
05:45<weasel>so it's broken after all.
05:45<Onepamopa>apt-get install it
05:45<Onepamopa>and you're ready
05:45<Onepamopa>weasel: maybe
05:45<weasel>s/maybe/for sure/
05:46<Onepamopa>but who really cares about irc ;)
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05:46<weasel>if it means Irclordz will get rid of his broken ircname then more good luck to him
05:46<weasel>if not, then I couldn't care less
05:47<weasel>blinking ircnames should be a kickban reason.
05:47<weasel>maybe even just colors should qualify
05:48<fxiny>irc ? i'm using bitlbee since i read on chan someone (?) had 86 windows opened , is not too bad , i'll run through xinet later
05:48<Onepamopa>fxiny: 86 windowses ?!!?
05:49<weasel>nothing special :)
05:49<george>my precious...
05:49<fxiny>yes , he's not too far :))
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05:49<Onepamopa>ahahah ;0
05:49<fxiny>Onepamopa: seen ? ^^^
05:49<Onepamopa>seen what?
05:49<fxiny>Onepamopa: weasel> nothing special :)
05:49<fxiny>wt4x !
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05:49<fxiny>86 !
05:51<fxiny>Onepamopa: i only run a scren session + irssi chrooted + mrxvt + fluxbox . vserver coming next :))
05:51<fxiny>who cares about eyecandy ? :P
05:51<Onepamopa>me ;)
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05:51<fxiny>you ?
05:51<Onepamopa>nope ;)
05:51<Onepamopa>that was a joke ;>
05:51<fxiny>giving time you'll forget it
05:51<fxiny>ok ok
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05:52<george>I was on #debian-kernel for awhile... they helped me get the xen 3.1 kernel support into a 2.6.18 I built and installed
05:53<george>now I have to backport the userland and install it
05:53<Onepamopa>good for you ;)
05:54<george>the patch didn't seem to apply properly
05:54<Onepamopa>why's that ?
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05:54<george>but in each failed hunk, I looked at the code it was trying to patch, and it looked like it was already patched
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05:55<Onepamopa>well, some lines may be there already?
05:55<george>due to other patches, yes
05:55<Onepamopa>who cares, if it works ;)
05:55<george>well we don' know yet :)
05:55<george>but hoping.
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05:55<Onepamopa>what are you waiting for ?
05:56<Irclordz>Onepamopa : i removed gcc version 4.x.x and try install 3.x.x
05:56<Onepamopa>so ?
05:56<george>shower, myself to wake up more, coffee, food probably :)
05:56<Irclordz>Onepamopa : i type gcc server says : no such file or directory
05:56<Irclordz>dovia:/var/lib/apt/lists# gcc
05:56<Irclordz>-bash: /usr/bin/gcc: No such file or directory
05:56<george>try hash -r
05:57<Onepamopa>and you are sure that gcc is properly installed ?
05:57<Onepamopa>no errors of any kind ?
05:57<Irclordz>lehme repeat
05:57<fxiny>life is sweet on sunday . let's go crazy : apt-get install linux-image-2.6-vserver-686
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05:57<franklin>plokko, which one ?
05:57<Irclordz>i choosen one off them
05:57<Irclordz>gcc-3.3 - The GNU C compiler
05:57<Irclordz>gcc-3.3-base - The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
05:57<Irclordz>gcc-3.4 - The GNU C compiler
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05:57<Irclordz>i tsorry
05:58<Irclordz>i type apt-get install gcc-3.3
05:58<Onepamopa>Irclordz: apt-get install gcc-3.4*
05:58<Onepamopa>with *
05:58<fxiny>hahah : irc xen vserver . heheheh no one installing compiz ? :P
05:58<Onepamopa>I have installed beryl
05:58<Onepamopa>but I think that I have to put some ram into my pc ;)
05:59[~]george has an excuse for not trying compiz... no direct rendering
05:59<fxiny>i mean now on a sunday booze powered which is the REAL thing
05:59<Onepamopa>my excuse is RAM, CPU, GPU ....
05:59<george>if you're going to run vservers, the more ram the better
05:59<Onepamopa>I know, I know...
05:59<Onepamopa>more cpu too
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06:00<george>recently I built a box bought for about 500
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06:00<Onepamopa>my box is for 250 rightnow ... ;)
06:00<Onepamopa>it was... for 800 once upon a time ;)
06:00<Onepamopa>ups what am I yuping ..
06:00<fxiny>george: i have a stuoid useless 3G xeon fat low-mobo box doing nothing : 512MB are enough for a vserver
06:00<Onepamopa>sorry, my english is bad ;)
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06:01<fxiny>hold on : s/stuoid/stupid :)
06:01<fxiny>Onepamopa: :)
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06:02<Onepamopa>blah, I have to learns some english ;)
06:02<george>mobo w/video, sound, eth, amd64x2, 2g ram (and wanting 4-8g more), hd, kbd, mouse, case+pwrsupply
06:02<Onepamopa>and to throw my keyboard off the window
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06:03<Petfrogg>tryong to install the nvidia driver on my xen kernel and i get errors about tainting the kernel
06:03<fxiny>yeahhh yeahhhh 2G maybe 4G to xenify this world
06:03<Petfrogg>i did modpobe nvidia
06:03<fxiny>and SE-linux
06:03<Petfrogg>but my xorg does not find the module
06:03<Petfrogg>how can i see what modules are loaded?
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06:04<george>Onepamopa: if you want you can make sure your hands are in position and then cover them so you can't see
06:04<george>then keep that for like 2 months
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06:04<george>err cover the kbd with your hands under the covr
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06:05<george>after that 2 months, you'll be monstrous
06:05<Onepamopa>george: I type without seeing keyboard
06:05<Onepamopa>from when I was 14 years old
06:05<Onepamopa>now I'm 22
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06:05<george>oh, then you're already quite the typist :)
06:05<Onepamopa>the keyboard is f?cking bad and OLD
06:06<Onepamopa>... ;)
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06:06<Onepamopa>and I cant feel my left arm ...
06:06<Onepamopa>don't know why
06:06<fxiny>i know about my right arm :P
06:06<Onepamopa>I take pills but they not seem to work ;)
06:07<Onepamopa>nah... f?cking doctors ;)
06:07[~]Petfrogg tries to learn how to use a frogpad ( in order to come over his inflamated arms...
06:07<george>why would you not feel left arm... could it have to do with neck/spine/back?
06:07<brick>hi. where can i find more repos to add to the sources.list ? im trying to install nvidia, but getting an error nvidia-kernle-source package not found.. (im on a clean install from deb. 4.0 xfce cd
06:07<fxiny>a frog pad ? a leather one ?
06:08<Petfrogg>fxiny: a left hand one
06:08<fxiny>Petfrogg: ok
06:08<valdyn>brick: it's in non-free
06:08<dpkg>somebody said non-free was a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see
06:08<brick>ok. just add another line and add non-free instead off main ?
06:09<valdyn>brick: no
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06:09<Onepamopa>brick: download the nvidia drivers from their web
06:09<valdyn>brick: add 'contrib non-free' in the same line as 'main', at the end
06:09<Onepamopa>download kernel-source for your kernel
06:09<Onepamopa>compile it with your current .config
06:09<Onepamopa>then shutdown X
06:09<valdyn>brick: you're on your own if you run nvidias installer as Onepamopa suggests.
06:09<Onepamopa>it installs without a problem
06:10<brick> i was going to use this guide
06:10<Onepamopa>valdyn: with this is much better
06:10<valdyn>!nvidia drivers
06:10<dpkg>nvidia drivers is probably ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for fast help, or go and read
06:10<george>Onepamopa: why do you need to get/build kernel?
06:10<Onepamopa>than precompiled solutions
06:10<valdyn>Onepamopa: no
06:10<valdyn>Onepamopa: bullshit
06:10<Onepamopa>george: cuz nvidia kernel will not compile
06:10<Onepamopa>valdyn: why?
06:10<brick>what if i want to install compiz and lm-sensors etc later? must i reinstall the nvidia driver if i use the guide i pasted?
06:11<valdyn>Onepamopa: that installer overwrites debian owned files, its unsupportable nightmare
06:11<Irclordz>!gcc cource
06:11<Onepamopa>brick: if you use the same kernel - no
06:11<valdyn>Onepamopa: but it can work, sure
06:11<Onepamopa>valdyn: I use it
06:11<Onepamopa>and it works great
06:11<Onepamopa>no "overvriten" stuff
06:11<valdyn>Onepamopa: oh, you just don't notice
06:11<valdyn>Onepamopa: it does overwrite debian-owned files
06:12<valdyn>Onepamopa: you'd be in for surprise if you switched gfx cards for instance
06:12<simonrvn>in fact, i'm sure you a) didn't notice b) overwrote those
06:12<simonrvn>plop, gone
06:12<george>Onepamopa: it did tho, when you installed that stuff it would have overwritten files that were installed by one or more debian packages...
06:12<valdyn>Onepamopa: but sure its ok to use it, just not without warning people
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06:13<george>the trouble will be when you upgrade probably
06:13<Onepamopa>valdyn: I didnt know about those overwriten files
06:13<simonrvn>you then have to reinstall certain things, or find WTF the installer "backed them up" to
06:13<valdyn>brick: you should follow the debian faq
06:13<Onepamopa>but in the end of the day it works ..
06:13<brick>valdyn, ok.. not the one i pasted?
06:13<valdyn>brick: i didn't read that guide to verify its decent, that's your risk
06:13<valdyn>!nvidia drivers
06:13<dpkg>i heard nvidia drivers is ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for fast help, or go and read
06:13<Onepamopa>simonrvn: well, I still keep the nvidia log
06:13<simonrvn>george: what happened to your - ?
06:13<george>and we can hope for at least one day after the end of the day it will still work!
06:14<george>didn't need it here ;)
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06:14<valdyn>brick: and don't do what someone else did, using _both_ methods, nvidias installer and debians pacakegs, that's even worse a nightmare
06:14<Onepamopa>george: well, I use it for 2 years now...
06:14<Onepamopa>still no problems
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06:14<george>mo powah to yah then...
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06:15<brick>valdyn, ok. thx. ill use the debian way:P
06:16<brick>E: Package nvidia-kernel-common has no installation candidate <<< huh ?
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06:16<Onepamopa>try different mirror
06:16<valdyn>brick: suspect you didn't 'fix' your sources.list properly?
06:16<valdyn>!info nvidia-kernel-common
06:16<dpkg>nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 20051028+1-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 112 kB
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06:16<valdyn>brick: see, that's in contrib
06:16<Onepamopa>version 2005 .....
06:16<Onepamopa>that's nice
06:17<brick>deb etch main contrib non-free
06:17<brick>deb-src etch main contrib non-free
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06:17<brick>this is my sources.list
06:17<valdyn>Onepamopa: that's not the driver
06:17<george>brick: after you alter the sources.list, you would do apt-get update
06:17<Onepamopa>then what is ?
06:17<brick>george, i did
06:17<valdyn>!info nvidia-glx
06:17<dpkg>nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 100.14.19-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4166 kB, Installed size: 13224 kB
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06:18<brick>my bad, typeo _Å
06:18<cahoot>!info nvidia-kernel
06:18<fxiny>i'm ready i'm ready : newvserver ... ;)
06:18<fxiny>debian ROX
06:19<fxiny>easy like beer
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06:19<george>hard like speech?
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06:19<Onepamopa>fxiny: like beer indeed
06:19<robin>ok, so I granned the ipw3945 modules and firmware. modprobed ipw3945, but no joy .. ifconfig still doesnt show any other interfaces .. clues?
06:19<george>free beer/free speech
06:20<Onepamopa>free beer?!?! where !?!?!? !!!
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06:20<george>!beer Onepamopa
06:20[~]dpkg pours a litre of Piraat for Onepamopa
06:20<Onepamopa>nah nah ... ;)
06:20<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
06:21<fxiny>nah ? ok i'll have it
06:21<gsimmons>Irclordz: NeoStats 2.5.21 appears to compile cleanly with GCC 3.4.6 (assuming 'gcc-3.4' is installed, use "CC=gcc-3.4 ./Config && make CC=gcc-3.4"). Fixes for ircd.c compile failures with GCC 4.0 have since been made to the 2.5 branch in subversion.
06:21<robin>ahh, the ipw3945d is the bit im missing
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06:22<robin>that seems to have sorted it
06:22[~]Onepamopa 04-astral_projection_-_power_gen_-_(space_cat_remix)-numb.mp3 (vol50) with 2 beers
06:22<Onepamopa>that's it
06:22<robin>hmm ... is there a gui tool for showing local wireless networks etc?
06:23<Onepamopa>robin: it is
06:23<Onepamopa>check on the kde-apps
06:23<Petfrogg>brick: are you messing around with the nvidia stuff?
06:23<Onepamopa>if you use kde
06:23<robin>im not
06:23<valdyn>robin: there's alot
06:23<Onepamopa>well, I cant help you
06:23<Onepamopa>I hate gnome
06:24<robin>valdyn, name a gnomy one please?
06:24<valdyn>robin: network-manager-gnome is the package , nm-applet the gui
06:24[~]Petfrogg tries to use wmii but really wants to test whim
06:24<cahoot>felt complled to share that sentiment?
06:24<george>Onepamopa: search youtube for gary willis ... listen to some of his stuff
06:24<Onepamopa>valdyn: it is the same for kde (I think)
06:24<robin>thnaks valdyn
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06:24<valdyn>robin: and read the docs like /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
06:24<Onepamopa>george: I dont use youtube ;)
06:24<valdyn>Onepamopa: yes
06:25<george>your loss :)
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06:25<valdyn>Onepamopa: + a dozen more less integrated tools
06:25<Onepamopa>well, I have about 80gigs with music, so no need for more ;)
06:25<TimbrWolf>How can you make alsaplayer play a CD in text mode?
06:25<valdyn>why would anyone use alsaplayer
06:26<TimbrWolf>Because it works great for playing mp3's or ogg
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06:26<Onepamopa>TimbrWolf: audacious works great too
06:26<Onepamopa>xmms too
06:26<cahoot>in text mode?
06:26<Onepamopa>in text mode - nop
06:26<cahoot>that was the prerequisite
06:27<Onepamopa>but who listens music in konsole those days ?
06:27<valdyn>TimbrWolf: does alsaplayer play cds at all?
06:27<Onepamopa>I think not
06:27<TimbrWolf>It is suppose to; but can't figure it out from 'man page'
06:27<valdyn>TimbrWolf: i think you want to use a player that is actually still supported by developers
06:28<cahoot>valdyn: it does if told to
06:28<TimbrWolf>Open to suggestions
06:28<valdyn>cahoot: ah
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06:29<cahoot>TimbrWolf: mplayer can handle all your media needs (almost) from cli
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06:30<brick>Petfrogg, yeah. configuring the xserver the debianway now..
06:30<Petfrogg>brick: what gfx card do you have?
06:31<brick>geforce 7900 gtx
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06:31<valdyn>!info nvidia-glx etch
06:31<Petfrogg>i got ran into huge of problem here
06:31<dpkg>nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB
06:31<Petfrogg>brick: when you got it working - can you paste the xorg.conf on so i can take a look?
06:31<valdyn>brick: i think you need a newer driver than that.
06:32<brick>sure. i will. valdyn what do you mean ?
06:32<brick>isnt the driver in nvidia repos good enough ?
06:32<valdyn>brick: if you are on etch, then you are probably installing the driver above
06:32<brick>im on etch alright..
06:32<valdyn>!info nvidia-glx lenny
06:33<brick>hmm.. so how do i undo what i have done, and install the latest driver then ?
06:33<brick>im inthe middle off dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
06:33<valdyn>brick: don't need to undo anything
06:33<valdyn>brick: just finish that properly and you wont have to redo it later
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06:34<brick>ill let you know as soon as i have it running.
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06:34<george>why does sound sometimes not work until you alsaconf, and sometimes you have to do that every boot?
06:34<valdyn>brick: the 'manual' way is in the wiki too, you just get the packages required from as far as i know
06:34<Irclordz>see ya
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06:34<george>(general question, no specific problem right now)
06:34<valdyn>george: that's when you don't have the alsa packages installed
06:35<valdyn>george: like alsa-base
06:35<valdyn>george: _or_ if you don't have udev installed
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06:36<george>what does alsa-base do that helps this? provide for saving the result of alsaconf?
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06:36<valdyn>george: /etc/modprobe.d/ magic
06:36<Onepamopa>my alsa is working 5.1 right now, and its great ;)
06:36<Onepamopa>6x200 ;)
06:36<valdyn>george: and blacklisting oss modules
06:37<valdyn>george: proper way is to just have linux-sound-base installed and pick alsa in its configuration, rest is taken care of then
06:38<brick>brb restart the x server
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06:38<george>so you could dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base and go from there?
06:38<valdyn>george: yea
06:38<valdyn>george: +reboot
06:38<valdyn>george: or do everythnig manually, but that's probably tricky if you dont know what you're doing
06:39<george>ms was right!! restart for the masses!!
06:39<Onepamopa>AAAAAA blah. overlod!
06:39<george>sorry couldn't resist :)
06:39<valdyn>george: just because removing oss modules doesnt happen automagicaly
06:40<george>hmm, maybe it should be done in the process of blacklisting
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06:40<valdyn>george: that would be one huge hack
06:41<george>if it's going to blacklist anyway, the intent would be to not have those modules loaded
06:41<george>I'm probably not thinking of edge/corner cases
06:41<brick>valdyn, whentrying to run glxinfo |grep rendering i get COMMAND NOT FOUND..
06:41<valdyn>brick: that's in the mesa-utils package
06:41<brick>ok. apt-get install mesa-utils ?
06:42<valdyn>brick: yea
06:42<george>packages r that
06:42<brick>ahh smooth the driver is running, rendering is enable.. now, you sayd i should use a newer driver, right?
06:42<valdyn>im surprised this actually worked with etch drivers
06:42<valdyn>brick: no im not
06:43<valdyn>brick: i just thought that etch's driver would not support your card
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06:43<valdyn>brick: else that driver is perfectly fine
06:43<brick>oh. ok. smooth :P
06:43<valdyn>brick: not like nvidia does really improve their new drivers for not so new cards
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06:44<brick>what do you mean ?
06:44<valdyn>brick: nvidia usually only adds new stuff for cards that they actually still sell
06:46[~]fxiny he's on trance watching vserver retrieving validating dance
06:46<brick>ohh. ok... well iv had this one for 2 years now i think. been working really smooth.. workes like a charm on sabayon,but it comes preinstalled with so much crap. i want a clean install only with compiz, nvu, gimp,xchat, and firefox(iceweasel in this case) .. so debian xfce edition is perfect for me:P
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06:47<Onepamopa>I prefer kde
06:48<brick>iw installed ntfs-3g but how can i make it outmount my windows drives AND add an icon to the desktop/filemanager places list?
06:48<aryr100>hello all
06:48<Onepamopa>brick: outmount ?
06:49<aryr100>what is the cmd for gconf-editor in xfce ?
06:49<Onepamopa>you mean what exactly?!
06:49<brick>automount.. sorry. typeo
06:49<Onepamopa>well, edit /etc/fstab
06:49<gsimmons>brick: <>
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06:49<Onepamopa>/dev/hda1 /mnt/ide-c ntfs-3g rw 0 0
06:49<Onepamopa>/dev/hda5 /mnt/ide-d vfat rw 0 0
06:49<Onepamopa>/dev/hda4 /mnt/ide-e ntfs-3g rw 0 0
06:49<Onepamopa>here's my xorg
06:49<Onepamopa>in part with ntfs-3g
06:49<Onepamopa>xorg blah
06:50<brick>i have mounted the drives, but just want to add icons to the desktop and file manager places list..
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06:50<Onepamopa>brick: don't know
06:50<brick>so i dont have to go to filesystem/media/.... every time i want to get something from there
06:50<Onepamopa>I use kde and it's all there
06:50<brick>ok .
06:50<Onepamopa>right mouse button
06:50<Onepamopa>create link to -> harddisk device
06:51<Onepamopa>left button*
06:51<Onepamopa>what I'm doing today?!?.... what's happening to me ..
06:51<Onepamopa>maybe lack of beer..
06:52<lupine_85>ln -s ftw
06:53<Onepamopa>brb, I have some stuff to compile ..
06:53<brick>enjoy. thx for the help:P
06:54<george>Onepamopa: today is a good day to chat.
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06:55<Onepamopa>george: today is good day for kernel-compile
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06:56<george>oh, that was yesterday :)
06:56<Onepamopa>this would be .... 47 ;)
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06:59<lupine_85>our father, who art in makefile, menuconfig be thy namer
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07:00<fxiny>who summoned me ?
07:00<aryr100>what is the way to use editor in xfce like gconf-editor in nome ?
07:00<fxiny>first vserver install failed : i do not give up !
07:01<Onepamopa>fxiny: I summon you, fxiny! Kill my enemies!
07:03<george>fxiny: go forth, find a chat room, and chat with others!
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07:04<brick>if i want to install compiz-fusion onetch but be able to use ccsm and compiz icon, what should i do, i found a how to for sid when using xfce and nvidai, but in etch ?
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07:06<george>lupine_85: and bingo was his name-o
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07:12<brick>no ideas ?
07:12<george>first make sure your direct rendering works
07:13<george>then go on to whatever (compiz, tux racer, glxgears, etc)
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07:14<brick>george, rendering works, but my question was how i install compiz-fusion with fusion icon and ccms working..
07:15<brick> atleast acording to this
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07:15<george>all I know is compiz needs the rendering to work... so that's all I have
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07:16<brick>ok thx
07:17<brick>it says that i can make it work if i use backports. what exactly isbackports and how to use them ?
07:17<george>well see if has it
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07:18<george>basically debian is a binary packaged system within which many packages that have executables depend on specific libraries
07:19<george>a simple backport would involve getting source from later debian and compiling it on your debian with the libraries you have
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07:22<brick>ok. so when i add a backport rep, i must disable the old ones? or will the latest packages be used automaticly ?
07:22<george>you do the pinning thing so that only the things you want come from backports
07:23<brick>do the pinning thing?
07:23<george>alternatively you can try to do the backport yourself and install the resulting .deb package
07:23<george>it's explained on the site
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07:24<WbX>I've got a little (big) problem :/
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07:24<george>I should have turned left (right) at the intersection (oasis)
07:25<Psychomonster>hello there! Greatings
07:25<WbX>hello Psychomonster
07:25<george>WbX: won't be to me, but go ahead and explain your problem
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07:26<WbX>I just install debian on my computer (laptop ASUS G2S)
07:26<WbX>and when it boots i've got the message : "startx can't load"
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07:26<WbX>"no screens found"
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07:27<george>why would it do that when you boot?
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07:27<robin>ipw3945 not really going well
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07:27<robin>iwlist eth2 scanning
07:27<WbX>I don't know
07:27<Psychomonster>i need help by a cups-installation.... can anybody help me, please
07:27<robin>produces a list of accesspoints, Huzzah
07:28<george>how was it arranged to run startx at boot
07:28<robin>but ... the nm-applett doesnt see anytiung other than the wired network
07:28<george>that seems unusual to me
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07:28<WbX>I don't know, I installed it 5 minutes ago
07:28[~]robin hasnt even got as far as wpa_supplicant yet
07:30<Psychomonster>hallo Frippe
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07:30<Frippe>After running apt-get update, and trying to apt-get install debhelper, it gives a list of packages that will be updated, and which will be removed. One of the packages that are to be removed is the kernel...
07:30<Frippe>this makes me nervous .)
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07:33<robin>any clues as to what tp put in the "use WPA driver" field ? put wpa_supplicant in there?
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07:33<robin>this is in wifi-radar
07:34<Frippe>Can anyone help me out with apt-get? Is it safe to continue even though it says it will remove the kernel-image package
07:35<Frippe>It is too early/late on a sunday? hehe
07:36<Psychomonster>i need help! my CUPS-Server is not reachable.... i cannot start the server manuel... sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start doesnt work....
07:36<Psychomonster>all softwarepakages are installed.....
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07:38<sepski>Psychomonster, read the logs
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07:38<brick>what does it mean when apt-get returneds The following packages have been kept back: ....
07:38<Myon>brick: even with dist-upgrade?
07:39|-|mode/#debian [+l 330] by debhelper
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07:39<ROXOR-benoit>hi, i have probleme with apache (.htacces/.htpasswd) apache don't check .htpasswd but check in mysql ...!!!? (i try on other machine and the same .htacces/.htpasswd work)
07:39<Myon>brick: these are either on hold, or cannot be upgraded without installing other new packages
07:39<brick>Myon, no havent testet.. ill try now
07:39<Myon>most often the latter
07:41<sepski>!kept back
07:41<dpkg>i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see
07:41<WbX>I don't have "xf86config" in /etc/X11/
07:41<brick>Myon, dist-upgrade worked,, had to install 2 new packages for the upgrade to work. now if i only could make compiz-fusion to work on etch with fusion icon etc:
07:41<Myon>WbX: we use xorg nowadays
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07:42<Myon>WbX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
07:42<WbX>Thanks, I'll try
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07:44<brick>Myon, when there are new packages that i have modifed my self, that needs upgrading, should i keep mine or install new ?
07:45<brick>itsd the gdm.conf file
07:45<Myon>read the diff
07:45<robin>bah, this is sooo not working
07:46<robin>should configuring a wireless card be this hard?
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07:46<Myon>I got it working by just putting the key into /etc/network/interfaces
07:46<robin>its WPA
07:46<Myon>iface ....
07:46<Myon> wpa-essid asdf
07:46<Myon> wpa-key qwer
07:47<robin>hmm, ok
07:47<Myon>the syntax could be slightly different
07:47<robin>not seen that in the docs
07:47<Myon>before that I had fiddled with wpa_supplicant to no avail
07:47<robin>know that feeling
07:48<Myon>(no idea about network manager, don't really use it)
07:48<brick>looks like the only difference is the -AutomaticLoginEnable option. and security is set to @@ -55,14 +66,15 @@
07:48<dude>anyone installed ATI proprietry drivers without any errors?
07:48<robin>vi network-manager doesnt even see any wireless cards to manage
07:48<brick>if im getting this right. then it should be safe to install the new one and just enable automatic config agian alter
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07:50<robin>wireless-radar can see the card, and the access point, but can seem to get wpa-supplicant to do ts thing
07:51<WbX>Myon i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but startx doesn't work more ...
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07:55<Psychomonster>sorry guys... I'm a linux noob.... how can i set superUser-state at Kde?
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07:56<Viking89>ciao a tutti
07:56<Eulex>Psychomonster, you do not want to run X or kde as root. you can run a single program as root in kde, though.
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08:00<Viking89>ciao buzztracker
08:01<Viking89>c'è nessuno che sappia parlare italiano?
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08:02<Viking89>c'è nessuno che sappia parlare italiano?
08:02<Viking89>c'è nessuno che sappia parlare italiano?
08:02<Viking89>c'è nessuno che sappia parlare italiano?
08:02<Viking89>c'è nessuno che sappia parlare italiano?
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08:04<Psychomonster>ok i have startet the CUPS-Server in a console by using "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start..... the server is running.... but he is not reachable under KDE-applications... why (thanks to all, who wants to help me)
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08:05<dli_>Psychomonster, nmap localhost
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08:05<dli_>Psychomonster, also, check errors in dmesg
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08:06<Psychomonster>mom plz
08:06<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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08:08<TimGroe2>Hello everyone
08:08[~]TimGroe2 waves
08:08<TimGroe2>I have a bit of a complicated question. I have two ethernet devices, eth1 and eth2. eth1 is where my internet comes from. It is in the form of It has another IP range, What I want to be able to do is route to eth2, so that other machines can use those IPs, any ideas on how to do this? I cannot work out how to do this.
08:08<george>oh, ok so you want a nonmasq router
08:08<Psychomonster>that is the result of nmap localhost is "Starting nmap 3.81 ( ) at 2007-10-14 16:05 CEST
08:08<Psychomonster>WARNING: Could not determine what interface to route packets through to, changing ping scantype to ICMP ping only
08:08<Psychomonster>pcap_open_live: ioctl: No such device
08:08<Psychomonster>There are several possible reasons for this, depending on your operating system:
08:08<Psychomonster>LINUX: If you are getting Socket type not supported, try modprobe af_packet or recompile your kernel with SOCK_PACKET enabled.
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08:09<george>wait, now I'm not understanding too well
08:09<TimGroe2>george: Yes :)
08:10<dli_>TimGroe2, what do you mean? so that other machines can use those IPs
08:10<george>ok, let's see
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08:10<george>you have two ip ranges and they are BOTH routed such that they appear on your eth1?
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08:11<TimGroe2>dli: Well, I want eth2 to allow computers to only be assigned .7* IP's
08:11<TimGroe2>george: yes.
08:11<Psychomonster>sorry for that :) I wasnt my intention to spam that much!
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08:11<george>ok, now I'm understanding a little better
08:12<george>I only have abt 3 mins so I'll try to get you to next steps
08:12<TimGroe2>Thanks george, I would *really* appreciate it :)
08:12<george>first, your eth1 will have two inet addrs, one from each range
08:12<TimGroe2>Done. :)
08:13<george>so let me ask, you don't even want one of those ranges to even appear on your eth2?
08:13<TimGroe2>Well, the range
08:13<TimGroe2>So on eth2 machines, I can assign 74 75 etc :)
08:13<george>not even appear at all whatsoever?
08:14<TimGroe2>Well, they can appear
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08:14<TimGroe2>But I only want eth2 machines to be able to be assigned to 7* IPs
08:14<TimGroe2>so that they can't steal server IPs
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08:14<TimGroe2>Basically, I want the internet from eth1 to work on eth2 ... without masqeration
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08:14<TimGroe2>(mind my spelling)
08:15<george>ok, not sure if you want to do it this way but to summarize:
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08:15<george>if both subnets are allowed to appear on eth2, then both nics will have the same two ips
08:15<TimGroe2>george: well, that is good enough then :P
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08:16<george>and you set the netmask on both to /29
08:16<TimGroe2>the main thing is that eth2 would get a different broadcast range then eth1
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08:16<george>hmm. is there any way you can put the servers on a third nic coming out of the router box?
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08:17<george>that would be cleaner
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08:17<george>they'd be on their own net
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08:17<TimGroe2>Not really.
08:17<george>are the servers physically close enough to each other?
08:17<TimGroe2>george: let me illustrate it :)
08:17<TimGroe2> [Client] --> [Gateway] --> [Gateway (again)] --> [Router] --> Internet
08:17<TimGroe2>They are litrally next to each other :D
08:18<TimGroe2> and being the same machine
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08:18<polity>Hi, i had one simple question. i've got a dedicated server with debian installed hosted somewhere 1000 km away from my home. anyways, now the server is really messed up. incomplete packages, broken apt-get etc so i was wondering if its possible to reinstall the OS over the internet using SSH
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08:19<george>let me see if I understand
08:20<george>you have .72/29
08:20<george>and .208/29
08:20<Tunafish>if i use lenny testing how easy is it to upgrade to final build when its released?
08:20<george>and these come in on eth1 of (please make up a name to put here)
08:21<pfs][silver>hi, i need help, i have start a webaplikation with ruby on rails on http://localhost:3000/ and when i open this link in my webbrowser i see it but when i use my DynDNS i don't see it
08:21<TimGroe2>george: yes.
08:21<dli_>polity, it would be nice to have auto installation on remote servers
08:21<george>so we have a gateway named yes :)
08:21<brick>im trying to install compiz-fusion using emisca backports and all goes well untill apt-get tryes to fetch the packages, then it gives out an error sayng that the packages cant be found, also showing that it searces for wrong version(the ones in the rep are different)
08:21<brick>how to fix this?
08:21<TimGroe2>" videl "
08:21<polity>is there? :)
08:22<TimGroe2>george: web2.0 name generator, don't blame me.
08:22<brick> this is the rep. im trying to use with this following comman: apt-get -t install ./ packagenames
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08:23<Tunafish>if i use lenny testing how easy is it to upgrade to final build when its released?
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08:23<george>and these subnets -need- to both appear on eth1 of videl (since that's where they are routed to videl from) and also eth2 (since there is an additional machine that needs an address from each, whose name is (another name please). right?
08:24<TimGroe2>(bushfire) and right.
08:24<george>so this part is simple routing, someone can show you easy ways to do that
08:24<TimGroe2>but bushfire only needs .72/29
08:24<TimGroe2>not an .2* ip
08:24<george>do any machines aside from videl need ip from each range?
08:24[~]Tunafish waves
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08:25<TimGroe2>george: no.
08:25<george>Tunafish: easy, yes.
08:25<Tunafish>a case of doing apt-get upgrade ?
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08:25<george>apt-get dist-upgrade
08:25<Tunafish>nice :)
08:25<george>you want that right?
08:26<george>so when lenny stable, you want to stay with lenny awhile?
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08:26<brick>george, if i want to upgrade to lenny. what to do ?
08:27<brick>since it does not seem i will get compiz working on etch :(
08:27<george>TimGroe2: ok, just so you have the choice now or later, you -could- separate one of the ranges into a third nic
08:27<Petfrogg>brick: vim /etc/apt/source.list
08:28<TimGroe2>WHAT? A THIRD :P
08:28<george>brick: I would consider backing up beforehand... at least consider it
08:28<TimGroe2>Isn't two enough?
08:28<TimGroe2>eth1 and eth2. eth1 from the router and eth2 for all the dumb clients
08:28<Petfrogg>brick: [esc] ;%s/etch/testing/g
08:28<george>well I suppose, but you have the -choice- of having the server IPs on their own wired net
08:28<TimGroe2>george: naaa, that is not *really* needed :P
08:28<george>AND you can change your mind later
08:28<Petfrogg>brick: [esc] :wq
08:28<TimGroe2>Plus, that means buying another network card.
08:28<Petfrogg>brick: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
08:29<brick>george, its a clean install. so nothing to lose really.. ehhe.
08:29<george>that is, you can decide now "no, just two nics" and later decide to put an additional nic in
08:29<brick>Petfrogg, thx..
08:29<TimGroe2>"no just two nics"
08:29<TimGroe2>and I won't put in a third any time soon :P
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08:30<george>ok, np... just making sure you know you have the choice IF it is still true then that no other machine other than vidal needs addresses on both nics
08:31<TimGroe2>OK, cool.
08:31<TimGroe2>(but I am 99% sure that will not be the case)
08:31<george>and even if that's not true there would still be a way but it would involve a second nic on such a machine
08:32<george>so once you have this routing established...
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08:32<brick>Petfrogg, just add the /etch/testing/g on the and off one off the repos. right?
08:32<george>then you configure the dhcp server to serve both (yes, both) ranges.
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08:32<george>the difference being, you would put an ip range in one subnet config and not in the other one
08:33<george>(but the dhcpd -requires- that you define for it all the subnets it's going to see)
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08:34<george>so that's the overview
08:34<george>(a) routing
08:34<george>(b) dhcpd config
08:35<TimGroe2>so all I need is ( route add -net .72 netmask .248 eth1 ) and ( ifconfig eth2 .73 netmask .248 ) on Videl and she should route?
08:36<TimGroe2>because that does not work
08:37<george>you also have to enable ip forwarding
08:37<george>also for each subnet on each nic, you need an address
08:37<george>first 208/29:
08:38<TimGroe2>( ifconfig eth1 .210 netmask .248 )
08:38<TimGroe2>with .209 being taken - the modem
08:38<george>209 is the modem??
08:38<george>then you only have 4 left
08:38<Tunafish>does lenny have appleservices removed?
08:39<TimGroe2>george: Aye, this is OK :)
08:39<george>Tunafish: at least some of that is going to be kernel stuff
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08:39<TimGroe2>Only 2 machines in the 2* range
08:39<Tunafish>dang it
08:39<TimGroe2>this is why I have the .72/29 range :P
08:39<Tunafish>im building a server but i wanna do it from scratch
08:39<george>ok... so yeah, eth1 will have 210 AND eth2 will ALSO have 210
08:40<Tunafish>local test server
08:40<Tunafish>but i would also like a GUI as well
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08:40<Tunafish>so what out of the install menu should i click
08:40<george>and all machines behind (i.e., on eth2) will gateway thru 210
08:41<george>Tunafish: exactly how scratchy do you want to go? :)
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08:41<TimGroe2>george: thanks for your help, I will try that now :)
08:41<george>having said from scratch, you can still depend on compiled debian packages...
08:41<george>do you want to do that
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08:41<TimGroe2>(I have spent a whole day on this :( )
08:42<george>TimGroe2: ok, one more thing tho :)
08:42<Tunafish>well i dunno i would like a GUI and thats about it
08:42<george>the other subnet
08:42<Tunafish>as half the stuff i wont need
08:42<george>Tunafish: well do you want to build your own stuff? or do you want to apt-get the stuff?
08:42<george>TimGroe2: yeah
08:43<TimGroe2>george: what about it.
08:43<george>so, let's see...
08:43<Tunafish>apt-get if possible
08:43<george>Tunafish: gimme one sec
08:43<george>TimGroe2: so you have 72/29 which is going to be an additional net address on eth1
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08:44<TimGroe2>george: Great!
08:44<george>does the modem have .73?
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08:45<george>if no... then you're going to have to find out how that subnet is routed in and do whatever corresponds to that
08:45<george>this is just looking at eth1 so far
08:45<TimGroe2>george: no
08:46<george>well it SHOULD be that if the addresses in that range appear at eth1, it should work
08:46<TimGroe2>need to route .73 --> .209
08:46<TimGroe2>that works OK :)
08:46<TimGroe2>I can assign individual computers .73 in eth1.
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08:46<brick>after upgrading to lenny. do i have to reinstall my nvidia driver(installed the debian way)
08:46<george>well at eth1 you set up the routing so that the default route is to .209
08:46<Tunafish>can i for now get away with just installing desktop enviroment and standard system then apt-get what i need?
08:46<george>and you should be fine
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08:47<george>Tunafish: absolutely... and you could go less than that if you wanted to. either is fine
08:47<Tunafish>what is the standard system then
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08:48<TimGroe2>george: Well, is there any need for individual 208/29 routes on my eth2 machines?
08:48<george>tunafish: one thing tho, if you want to keep lenny after it goes stable, put lenny where testing would be in your sources.list
08:48<george>otherwise you'll be surprised one day when there comes a new testing
08:49<Tunafish>yer which would be sid lol
08:49<Tunafish>whats in the standard system package or do i have to have that?
08:49<george>TimGroe2: no, I don't think so. the machines behind eth2 0n 208/29 just need the default gateway to be 210
08:50<Frippe>Question: I have installed fuse-utils and sshfs, but when I try to mount it says "fuse device not found" and suggests "modprobe fuse", which gives me: modprobe: Can't locate module fuse. Do I need to do something with the kernel?
08:50<george>and likewise the machines behind eth2 on 72/29 just need the default gateway to be 73
08:51<george>there might be special things you need to do, there might be some special cases since you have these two subnets on one wire
08:52<george>but I don't think so
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08:52<fxiny>Frippe: is shfs-utils installed ?
08:52<TimGroe2>george: When I ask on eth2 machines for a domain, (eg I see it going past eth1 ( tcpdump -i eth1 ) on videl ... but no replys are sent on eth2
08:52<george>Tunafish: standard system usually has gcc, emacs, tex plus basic text / shell commands
08:53<Tunafish>right i will install that then
08:53<george>TimGroe2: you might consider installing a caching name server on 210 == 73
08:53<Tunafish>as my bootup times are really long with the full install etc
08:53<Tunafish>but now i know what i want i can twaek it lol
08:53<Frippe>shfs-utils no
08:53<Tunafish>and appleservices must die lol
08:54<george>if your bootup time is long that usually means you have a lot of server daemons starting
08:54<gsimmons>Frippe: You'll need a kernel with CONFIG_FUSE_FS enabled, preferably as a module.
08:54<Tunafish>only the default stuff
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08:54<Tunafish>like ssh, apache, php, sql, appleservices which i dont need lol
08:54<Tunafish>that takes for ever to load
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08:55<george>you should use ssh tho
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08:55<Frippe>gsimmons: ok, so the default installed kernel is crap
08:55<george>NOT telnet and NOT ftp
08:56<george>ssh doesn't take much time to start up
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08:56<Frippe>I have broken my installations quite a few times trying to put a new kernel in there
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08:56<Tunafish>i do use ssh :)
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08:56<george>Frippe: broken? are you building your kernels?
08:56<gsimmons>Frippe: The stock kernel images have fuse.ko packaged, AFAICT.
08:57<Frippe>fxiny and gsimmons: thanks
08:57<Tunafish>just appletalk takes for ever to load and a few other things i dont need, like dns etc
08:57<TimGroe2>george: and that is from eth1 ... accessing one of Google's IPs.
08:57<Frippe>gsimmons: I am using the default kernel
08:58<TimGroe2>but no answers are sent to eth2 :(
08:58<lupine_85>linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7: lib/modules/2.6.18-5-k7/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko
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08:58<george>do you have a machine on .211?
08:59<george>I can't stay
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08:59<TimGroe2>thanks for you help george :)(
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09:00<george>if you don't find answer here, try #networking or #netfilter or #iptables on
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09:01<TimGroe2>well, I am about to goto bed.
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09:01<TimGroe2>Had enough of routes for today
09:01<george>seems it's like one or two simple steps to get it going
09:01<george>which I am unfamiliar with presently
09:01<TimGroe2>Same :)
09:02<Frippe>What is going to happen if I install linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 (I have an amd athlon). Will it add itself to the boot menu and "just work(tm)" ?
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09:02<TimGroe2>( Well, most of the day it has been "RTFM" ... well, it is hard to RTFM if there is no FM in the first place :P )
09:02<lupine_85>Frippe: yep
09:02<george>look for rusty's unreliable guides
09:03<TimGroe2>Shall do. george you have been a huge help. Thank you.
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09:03<Frippe>so it won't install a bunch of other packages, update libc and break everything?
09:04<george>no, kernels are independant of that
09:04<Frippe>The following extra packages will be installed:
09:04<Frippe> busybox initramfs-tools klibc-utils libklibc libusb-0.1-4 libvolume-id0
09:04<Frippe> lsb-base module-init-tools udev
09:04<george>are you running etch right now?
09:04<lupine_85>Frippe: are you in sarge right now?
09:05<Frippe>to be honest I'm not sure what it is, it is a bit old though
09:05<gsimmons>Frippe: cat /etc/debian_version
09:05<george>you may wish to upgrade before going further
09:05<lupine_85>well, what release(s) are specified in sources.list ?
09:06<george>would you like to upgrade to etch?
09:06<lupine_85>I would update to etch
09:06<gsimmons>!tell Frippe -about sarge->etch
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09:06<Frippe>I was hoping i didn't have to
09:06<george>well you don't
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09:07<george>but it might be easier if you did
09:07<lupine_85>I would expect subtle breakage
09:07<george>it's up to you
09:07<lupine_85>devfs->udev, that sort of thing
09:07<george>yes, that too, upgrades change things here and there
09:07<george>have you ever upgraded a debian before?
09:08<lupine_85>sarge is pretty long in the tooth these days, anyway
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09:08<george>you might find it's less painful than you're expecting
09:09<TimGroe2>night all
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09:09<Frippe>george: no, never upgraded.
09:09<Frippe>george: reading about it now
09:09<george>like at first you might think oh GOD I have to update and I'm afraid things will break but you relax a little because you heard that the debian maints have put a LOT of work into upgrading
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09:10<george>and you might think "there will be some changes" and yes that is true
09:11<george>they won't be big changes
09:11<george>the main change is going to this udev thing
09:11<Frippe>I'm only concerned about configurations (apache, sshd, samba etc)
09:11<george>then I would back up /etc into a tarball first
09:11<george>get someone to tell you how
09:11<Frippe>But even if I have to reconfigure everything it's ok
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09:12<Frippe>I don't want to end up with an unusable system though
09:12<george>can you back up your whole hd before you start doing this?
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09:13<george>that would be an awful tall cup of "haha you can't hurt me"
09:13<Frippe>hehe no pain no gain
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09:13<george>had a math teacher named Payne
09:13<george>and he was the baadest mofo in the whole college district
09:15<Frippe>did you receive gain?
09:15<george>Frippe: in innumerable ways
09:15<fxiny>Frippe: i ain't got sshfs on thios box . last time i've done : apt-get -s install shfs-source module-assistant then module-assistant build shfs
09:16<george>I tried to take calc from the other ones, Payne made it totally understandable
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09:16<george>plus we came away with his notes that we wrote out
09:17<george>he wrote on board, we wrote on paper ("you're ONLY going to be tested on what I write on this whiteboard")
09:17<george>we were motivated :P
09:18<george>and because we did that, we came away with complete course notes that we made sure we touched every word and picture
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09:19<george>all of calculus (1,2,3), lin alg, stat, ordinary DEs, discrete math, symbolic logic
09:19<george>aced every one
09:20<george>and I can look anything up in the book I basically wrote :) well sorta
09:21<fxiny>Frippe: you'll end up with something like this /usr/src/shfs-module-2.6.18-4-686_0.35-6.2+2.6.18.dfsg.1-11_i386.deb , install it with dpkg -i and run # shfsmount user@remote:/path/a/b /mountpoint
09:21<fxiny>at least it worked on me
09:21<george>what's shfs
09:22<dpkg>methinks shfs is "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc.
09:22<fxiny>this is a sarge2etch upgraded box
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09:22<fxiny>but now i do not use sshfs anymore
09:22<george>gsimmons, thanks
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09:22<lupine_85>sshfs over fuse ftw
09:23<george>so there's shfs and sshfs too?
09:23<lupine_85>sshfs is so much easier than shfs
09:23<dpkg>[sshfs] sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <>, FAQ is at <>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group)
09:25<fxiny>Frippe: if you like this stuff browse , there are even better tricks like "Export your block devices with AoE"
09:25<fxiny>nice games
09:25<Frippe>Thanks everyone
09:26<Frippe>I am going to try to upgrade, and I'll be back when it doesn't work
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09:28<martexx83>ciao a tutti!!!
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09:28<dpkg>one warez list being sent to martexx83
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09:30<george>martexx83: but all software discussed here is free software..., enjoy
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09:32<george>so if I have the xen3.1 kernel and I want to get the userland into etch, which package(s) would I backport?
09:33<george>he's going to be surprised when he doesn't have to come back :)
09:34<george>if he doesn't come back at that point and say debian rox I'll be somewhat disappointed...
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09:35<alth>I finally have a working Debian install. And sweet Jebus, I love it :D
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09:42<the_ultimate_samurai>grr...apt-get upgrade only made things worse
09:43<the_ultimate_samurai>now the nvidia module isnt working, and the nv module isnt allowing for tv out
09:44<george>what is PAE?
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09:44<george>and how does xen relate to it
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09:46<george>alth: you should keep a notebook on the install, and write out how you did it so you can do it again with less trouble
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09:46<Frippe>Well, I got it working (woo)
09:46<Frippe>installed the new kernel and it just works (tm)
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09:47<Frippe>but... in the process I managed to break my x
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09:47<alth>george, the only trouble I was having before was that I had a slow internet connection so my laptop kept crashing before everything would download. I upgraded my internet connection the other day and the install went like a dream :P
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09:48<alth>So the install log would basically go 'follow instructions, wait a little, go 'ooh, shiny', apt-get install xchat, tell #debian. :)
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09:49<the_ultimate_samurai>grr this is agrevating
09:50<the_ultimate_samurai>i did an apt-get upgrade, it mostly worked...i think...well anyhow..the damn xorg wont accept the nvidia kernel, says it doesnt exist...which is irritating because it does, hell it even mentioned loading it like 3 times on startup...
09:51<the_ultimate_samurai>it will only take the nv kernel, and that wont take twin view so i cant use my tv
09:51<the_ultimate_samurai>and to top it off it didnt fix my bittornado
09:51<the_ultimate_samurai>so i didnt fix any problems and now i have new ones
09:52<the_ultimate_samurai>any suggestions?
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09:53<Cyorxamp>Can anyone remember the extra syntax you can put in a command on bash to force the output to a specific display?
09:53<the_ultimate_samurai>cyorxamp >
09:53<Cyorxamp>nah it was more than that
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09:54<Cyorxamp>its a graphical output you see... by display I mean X display
09:54<the_ultimate_samurai>oh a display
09:54<the_ultimate_samurai>no clue, i cant seem to get help with my nvidia problem
09:54<Cyorxamp>I just got the Halo Dedicated Server running on Debian :P
09:55<the_ultimate_samurai>i just messed up my system badly ^_^
09:55<the_ultimate_samurai>tried to fix a problem and made more
09:55<ifvoid>brrrr helo
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09:56<the_ultimate_samurai>and i cant get my damn tv out to work anymore
09:56<the_ultimate_samurai>the computer seems so cramped without my tv
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09:57<Cyorxamp>the_ultimate_samurai, the nvidia control panel not helping?
09:57<the_ultimate_samurai>i dont believe i have it
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09:57<Cyorxamp>comes with the proprietary package
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09:57<Onepamopa>did someone knows how to put a bootsplash image?
09:58<Onepamopa>it shows in grub loader, but after choosing the kernel - .....
09:58<the_ultimate_samurai>the problem is my xorg.conf, when i tell it to use the nvidia module, it says it doesnt exist
09:58<sepski>!nvidia one-liner
09:58<dpkg>[nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
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09:59<sepski>the_ultimate_samurai, make sure you installed the nvidia-glx package
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09:59<Cyorxamp>Can anyone remember the bit you can add to a command line to force the output to a specific X display?
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10:00<Onepamopa>so, anyone about the grub-splash ? :">
10:00<george>Cyorxamp: man X will make a good read :)
10:01<Cyorxamp>already found it
10:01<Cyorxamp>thanks for the bad attitude
10:01<george>where?? where??
10:01<Onepamopa>george: did you know what's the magic about bootsplash? ;)
10:01<george>no, never splashed a boot
10:01<Onepamopa>me too
10:01<Onepamopa>but wanna try
10:02<george>Cyorxamp: I still say man X will make a good read
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10:02<george>lot of loose ends tied up there
10:02<Onepamopa>ahaha ;)
10:02<george>it's true!
10:02<Cyorxamp>george, I prefer a comedy
10:03<george>of errors, no doubt :)
10:03<Onepamopa>blah, stuped image shows up in grub...
10:03<Onepamopa>why didnt show on the kernel ? :">
10:03<george>exactly how fast did you find that again?
10:03<Onepamopa>Ill ask google again ;)
10:03<Onepamopa>george: after 10th reboot ;))
10:04<Onepamopa>brb, I'm going to read some googl'stuff
10:04<george>I'll tell anyone who will listen and who didn't know about x clients, x servers and how they fit together... man X will help you and you get lotsa additional info
10:04<george>I'm sorry... but I find that a good deal
10:05<liable>hrm, my mysql keeps failing and the error fails to come up in google
10:05<Onepamopa>what's the error ?
10:06<fxiny>Cyorxamp: a secret display ? DISPLAY=:0 iceweasel pr0n.html
10:06<liable>NOTICE: reconnecting in response to: err=2006, S1000, DBD::mysql::st execute failed: MySQL server has gone away at (eval 40) line 153, <GEN28> line 3.
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10:07<wickedsun>Hi all
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10:08<wickedsun>I'm looking for some help with the kernel on one of my servers, if anyone has time to help me do in-depth troubleshooting, please send me a message
10:09<wickedsun>(I've been doing this for 2 days in a row, I'm getting desperate)
10:09<Myon>it might help to ask a real question first
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10:09<george>I'm not the one with the time and maybe not the experience either but I do have a suggestion... can you put the question and the history of your debugging so far on a web page
10:09<kaner>wickedsun: maybe you should simply drop your question here, and maybe someone will answer
10:10<wickedsun>root is not mounting for some obscure reason
10:10<kaner>unless you want to pay someone, of course :)
10:10<fxiny>pretty obscure
10:10<Myon>kaner: it sounds like, yes :)
10:11<liable>wickedsun: thats usually file system problems
10:11<wickedsun>That's the thing, I have 2 kernels, one that boots, the other one doesn't
10:11<liable>if it boots and gets to maintenance mode anyway
10:11<liable>2.4 and 2.6 ?
10:11<wickedsun>VFS kernel panics trying to mount, spits out that I should mount hda1 instead
10:11[~]Myon ponders his "strange problem" rate
10:11<fxiny>2.4 again ?
10:11<george>wickedsun: what is the reason? oh, that's interesting... any idea why one works and the other doesn't?
10:12<wickedsun>problem is, the other kernel mounts fine on sda1 (sata)
10:12<kaner>wickedsun: what kernel version is the other one?
10:12<george>Myon: do you scale by strangeness factor?
10:12<the_ultimate_samurai>woah...this is...different...
10:13<fxiny>2.4 yes ? i had a bad feelling
10:13<wickedsun>er 2.6.22
10:13<kaner>is the 2.6.23 custom-compiled?
10:13<kaner>check your kernel configs
10:13<liable>is .23 even in sid yet?
10:13<kaner>use diff
10:13<george>did you make-kpkg it?
10:13<wickedsun>george: yes
10:13<fxiny>so we have two samurai : you are the last_2.4_samurai
10:13<liable>wickedsun: i suggest you go back and read the changelog
10:13<george>did you make-kpkg --initrd it? :)
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10:13<wickedsun>george: yes
10:14<george>nice... that tends to rule out several problems
10:14<kaner>wickedsun: compare the config files, use diff
10:14<Onepamopa>well, reboot again ;0
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10:14<george>and yeah, compare the configs, that's the next thing to do
10:14<fxiny>reboot sucks like politics
10:15<george>and fruit flies like a banana?
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10:15<fxiny>i suggest GNU to s/reboot/politics for a start
10:17<george>so what is this PAE thing in some kernels?
10:17<@Ganneff>wikipedia knows
10:17<lupine_85>google is your friend
10:18<fxiny>at the end of vserver install i read : debian rules ! that's pretty nice :)
10:18<george>any idea why some kernels have it and some not?
10:18<@Ganneff>read the article
10:18<george>I'm looking at that now
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10:19<george>so, one thing, I should only use PAE stuff if my cpu supports that
10:19<george>and it's only for 32 bit
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10:20<george>which it does
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10:21<lupine_85>george: do you have loads and loads of RAM? (e.g. > 4GB)
10:21<george>so if I have a xen system with an amd64 dom0 installation and I use some i386 domUs, those can use pae?
10:21<george>no but I do want much more ram than I have (2g)
10:22<george>would that even be a useful situation?
10:22<lupine_85>if you have an amd64 kernel, then you don't need PAE
10:22<george>so what about i386 domUs?
10:23<fxiny>no RAM limit
10:23<lupine_85>they are subject to their usual limitations
10:23<lupine_85>but it's really not an issue
10:23<george>and is it useful for the i386 domUs to have pae if they will be handed a lot of ram?
10:24<lupine_85>they /can't/ have PAE
10:24<the_ultimate_samurai>grrr, i dont understand this
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10:24<the_ultimate_samurai>it says the nvidia kernel is already the newest
10:24<lupine_85>the only thing that uses PAE is the kernel.
10:25<the_ultimate_samurai>it says that about the nvidia settings and the glx
10:25<Onepamopa>blah, still dont work ;)
10:25<the_ultimate_samurai>but the xserver says they dont exist
10:25<fxiny>Onepamopa: no luck again ?
10:25<Onepamopa>fxiny: no..
10:26<Onepamopa>damn bootsplash still dont work ;)
10:26<george>so in xen there would be the main kernel (for the supervisory operating system, aka the dom0) which will be amd64
10:26<george>(describing my eventual desire here)
10:26<lupine_85>george: that kertnel is the /only/ kernel
10:26<Onepamopa>george: still no luck with xen ? :)
10:27<george>not the only kernel, that's what I'm trying to tell you
10:27<Onepamopa>george: so? one kernel for you, and one for kids to play with? ;)
10:27<george>Onepamopa: still need to backport some out-of-kernel stuff
10:27<fxiny>the gods smile at me : vserver is ok . backup replaced and next week i'll make my mind up
10:28<fxiny>i need a plan
10:28<Onepamopa>I'm trying to make "my mind up" but ... user brain not connected ;)
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10:28<george>lupine_85: what xen does is it boots the hypervisor which boots the dom0 (supervisory) operating system
10:28[~]lupine_85 refreshes his memory
10:28<lupine_85>d'oh, you're right
10:29<Onepamopa>so... I think Ill run another kernel-compile ;)
10:29<george>lupine_85: then, you can start domUs which are additional, separate operating systems, each with its own kernel
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10:29<Onepamopa>george: what's your machine?
10:29<fxiny>Onepamopa: that bootsplash thing don't work . at least i rememeber someone else having no luck in chan a couple of months ago
10:29<Onepamopa>intel-quad? ;)
10:29<Onepamopa>fxiny: I had some luck..
10:30<Onepamopa>it shows at initial grub screen
10:30<george>and64x2 on asus m2npv-vm mobo with 2g ram
10:30<alth>Guys, I just tried to install a theme. Dragged it into "Theme", it said it installed correctly, but it's not appearing in there. Advice?
10:30<fxiny>Onepamopa: and then ?
10:30<Onepamopa>but then if I choose kernel ...
10:30<Onepamopa>no splashscreen, loads a bit and then "kernel panic" ;)
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10:31<fxiny>that's what i'm saying : no splash
10:31<george>the last thing one needs to hear in a kentucky fried chicken place is that the kernel panicked
10:31<fxiny>instead of maionnaise ?
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10:32<Onepamopa>so.. I think that after sooo many kernel compilations, my hdd will go to /dev/null ...
10:32<Onepamopa>I'm hearing strange noises from it..
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10:33<alth>No help with the theme then guys? :P
10:33<Onepamopa>like I don't even know how to describe ;)
10:33<Onepamopa>alth: what theme ?
10:33<george>"HELP! I'm trapped in this little box, I'm spinning around and these things are going in and out!"
10:33<alth>"<alth> Guys, I just tried to install a theme. Dragged it into "Theme", it said it installed correctly, but it's not appearing in there. Advice?"
10:33<Onepamopa>yeah, like that
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10:33<Onepamopa>alth: theme for what ?
10:34<george>seriously, what noises are new?
10:34<alth>GTK. It's a full system theme.
10:34<Onepamopa>george: well, something like "knock-knock" but faster
10:34<Onepamopa>once or twice at boot ;)
10:35<fxiny>Onepamopa: sounds like my '98 4G hd : it grinds :P
10:35<Onepamopa>but its 80gig baracuda ;)
10:35<user01>how can i see if ipw2100 is built into the 2.6.22 kernel?
10:35<fxiny>i still rememeber the day i bought a silent 10G ...
10:35<Onepamopa>user01: modprobe ?
10:35<liable>user01: has been since .15
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10:36[~]alth pokes at his useless theme.
10:36<user01>ok im just trying to figure out what i need to do to activate it so it shows up as eth1
10:36<alth>It's so pretty, and it's being a muppet >.< :P
10:36<fxiny>a gnome theme ?
10:36<Onepamopa>well folks, I'm going to get something to eat
10:36<blal>Ok, strange question. My keyboard isn't working right. I can consistently use the shift key to type in capital/lower case letters. I can consistently type in !!!@@@###$$$&&&***((()))|||, but percent, caret, underscore, plus (above "=") all don't work; nothing happens when I type them in. Also, I can only type curly braces using the right shift key (not the left). omfg wtf?
10:36<liable>user01: install firmware, be happy
10:36<george>Onepamopa: hmm, maybe you're swapping... lots and lots of disk accesses?
10:37<Onepamopa>george: I'll get a hammer, and slap it twice
10:37<Onepamopa>so, brb ;)
10:37<blal>I'm in X, but this is still in effect when I switch vt's to a text mode console. Also, the only recent changes that I'm aware of are switching to xfce from GNOME and running conky (a desktop system monitor type app).
10:37<george>mmhmm :P
10:37[~]blal is bewildered.
10:37<fxiny>blal: pc105 ?
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10:38<blal>fxiny : How do I tell?
10:38<fxiny>reconfigure xorg
10:38<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once)
10:38<user01>liable: is there a way to see which version of the module is built into the kernel?
10:38<fxiny>blal: ^^^ much better
10:38<liable>user01: modinfo ipw2*00
10:38<user01>there are several different ones on the site
10:39<fxiny>blal: also check your desktop control center
10:39<liable>user01: yeah, intels instructions leave a little to be desired, they havent inproved with the new drivers irt which firmware to use
10:40<blal>fxiny : Is that a GNOME thing? I've switched to Xfce.
10:40<fxiny>blal: i'm on fluxbox :)
10:40<blal>fxiny : (the desktop control center)
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10:40<fxiny>blal: gnome and kde
10:41<user01>liable: im reading the sourceforge page
10:41<liable>user01: the latest firmware should do you , put it in /lib/firmware after untarring
10:41<user01>liable: there isnt a deb package for the firmware i take it . . . just have to download the tgz file
10:42<liable>there are three firmware images and a readme, you put all three files in /lib/firmware
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10:42<liable>user01: due to intels license on that firmware, it cannot be packaged
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10:43<blal>Ok, logging back in when the IRC client is running from a console...
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10:44<user01>liable: hmmm never knew there was a firmware directory in lib thanks
10:44<gsimmons>liable, user01: Only one of those firmware images (ie. v1.3) should be required.
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10:45<user01>gsimmons: right i just went with that one as the version was 1.2.2 and the site said /54 and higher was 1.3
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10:45<liable>gsimmons: yeah, but that still contains three? different firmware files for modes
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10:46<gsimmons>liable: s/modes/driver versions/
10:46<liable>gsimmons: erm, doesnt it have a monitor, managed and master firmware?
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10:48<gsimmons>liable: Ah, you're talking about the contents. I'm just referring to the firmware versions/revisions themselves.
10:48<liable>gsimmons: i have never had one of those cards, but remember there being a few different firmware images
10:48<liable>gsimmons: yup
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10:55<the_ultimate_samurai>grr why does every problem have to be a massive systematic problem, why cant i just have a single problem with an easy fic
10:55<lupine_85>well, that'd be boring
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10:56<the_ultimate_samurai>all i wanted was to fix by bittornado and now i have unraveled my entire os
10:57<the_ultimate_samurai>and it still doesnt work
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11:00<fxiny>best way to fix bittornado is installing rtorrent
11:00<blal>Well, that's interesting. showkey lists output like "0x36 0x02 0x82 0xb6" for an exclamation mark. Doing a percent sign, however, only produces "0x36 0xb6". wtf?
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11:01<fxiny>is it called : the cat move ...
11:01<blal>(I'm trying to figure out why certain keys on my keyboard stopped working.)
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11:01<blal>Note that 0x36 is the keycode for right-shift down and 0xb6 is the keycode for right-shift up.
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11:02<blal>Also, pushing "5" consistently produces 0x06 0x86.
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11:02<user01>liable: ok so once i have the firmware in the lib/firmware directory . . .what is the next step?
11:03<fxiny>oh yes
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11:03<blal>the_ultimate_samurai : I think he means azureus. :-P
11:03<fxiny>what ?
11:03<blal>lol did I just blaspheme?
11:03<fxiny>that java pig ?
11:03<fxiny>blal: :)
11:04<wickedsun>Here, some more info about my problem. I'm trying to mount the root via UUID now. When it's about to mount, it tells me that the UUID was not found. (I double checked it, its the right one) and then it says I should mount hda1 instead.
11:04<the_ultimate_samurai>i dont care what it is, i need my torrents...
11:04<fxiny>rtorrent rulez here
11:04<rickbot>ktorrent has been massively improved in the last year. its worth a try
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11:05<wickedsun>My system is on sta1
11:05<rickbot>encrypted connections, dht...
11:05<fxiny>rickbot: any blocklist ? i'm looking for a client+blocklist
11:06<blal>the_ultimate_samurai: I find the multiple pages of statistics available via azureus' GUI helpful. Looks like there isn't a concensus re: the "best" bittorrent client.
11:06<rickbot>it has that too but i've never tried it
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11:06<fxiny>azureus the best ? what about some rumors in the past ?
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11:07<the_ultimate_samurai>azureus doesnt seem to work
11:07<rickbot>the encryption has been useful here. my isp uses traffic shaping so there's a big difference it speed with encryption on
11:07<the_ultimate_samurai>ive tried it before
11:07<blal>fxiny : I'm not aware of those rumors. Did it illegally fire lawyers or out a CIA operative or something?
11:08<fxiny>blal: rumors are rumors and never go away : google for it
11:08<blal>fxiny : I'll fix my keyboard instead.
11:08<fxiny>blal: :)
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11:09<blal>fxiny : omfg I'm going to have to be a Windows-using n00b and reboot to fix the problem.
11:09<the_ultimate_samurai>nothing seems to work and those files that failed to install wont stop trying to install
11:09<fxiny>blal: a la guerre comme a la guerre acording to the french :)
11:09<the_ultimate_samurai>when i did the apt-get upgrade a few files didnt install properly and it exited with a status of 1
11:10<the_ultimate_samurai>and those files keep trying, and failing, to install every time i install something
11:10<user01>user01: if i reboot after extracting the firmware to /lib/firmware will it load by hot plug?
11:10<the_ultimate_samurai>i suspect they may be hindering other things attempts to install
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11:11<fxiny>the_ultimate_samurai: try : dpkg --configure -a
11:11<rickbot>the_ultimate_samurai: i would try just 'apt-get install', 'upgrade' doesn't fix dependency changes with new versions of a package
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11:13<the_ultimate_samurai>well i used upgrade because i figured it was part of a large series of things just being out of date
11:13<fxiny>try aptitude then : aptitude -s upgrade
11:13<rickbot>are you trying to upgrade one package or your whole system?
11:13<user01>oh weird . . . yeah i guess rebooting it did the trick
11:13<the_ultimate_samurai>whole system
11:13<user01>thought there would be some config issue
11:13<the_ultimate_samurai>which i did, but these one files failed
11:13<blal>The next error message is me rebooting.
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11:14<rickbot>in that case, use apt-get dist-upgrade. same issue - new versions will have new dependencies and upgrade won't get them
11:14<rickbot>dist-upgrade fixes all deps
11:15<the_ultimate_samurai>i thought dist-upgrade was only for going to the newest version of a ditribution
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11:16<rickbot>it'll get the newest version of everything thats in the repos in your sources.list
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11:16<rickbot>if you stick with the same repos, you will just update all your packages
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11:17<Dannys>i have deb sid and when i try to install nvidia drivers has give me an error and say to install gcc-4.1 (i have gcc-4.2 and gcc-4.1)what must i do?
11:18<rickbot>Dannys: if you add 'testing' to sources.list, you might be able to get the older version
11:19<rickbot>i think the problem is that the module has to be built with the same version of gcc that your kernel was built with
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11:19<rickbot>i had to rebuild my kernel to get fglrx to install....
11:19<Dannys>how to set only gcc-4.1 fot uses
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11:19<rickbot>stupid issue but there's no way around it that i know
11:20<Dannys>dont have issue to install nvdia drivers on sid?
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11:21<rickbot>never tried. i have a ati card
11:21<rickbot>but either driver has to build a kernel module to work. this is the problem
11:21<user01>hmmm networking under system is this not the same thing as the network manager applet in the upper right hand corner?
11:22<rickbot>the module has to be compiled with the same version of gcc as your kernel
11:23<Dannys>i try to install a ready kernel fot repos but the driver dont see the nvidia-kernel
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11:24<rickbot>not sure what you mean
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11:24<Dannys>i install the nvidia-kernel from repos and then go to install a nvidia driver but tell me dont have nvidia-kernel
11:25<rickbot>sounds like the module didn't compile.
11:26<Dannys>when i install dont give an error say sussefuly
11:26<rickbot>its a complicated thing. i suggest you look up one of the how-to pages on the web. there's lots of them
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11:26<cahoot>Dannys: did you use m-a?
11:26<rickbot>you gotta go step by step and watch all the details
11:27<cahoot>Dannys: what happens if you try: modprobe nvidia?
11:27<rickbot>a gcc mismatch wil screw things up though
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11:28<cahoot>i e success
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11:28<cahoot>Dannys: I'd run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
11:29<Dannys>i run but dont work if i select nvidia driver
11:29<cahoot>'don't work' ?
11:30<the_ultimate_samurai>im having the same problem
11:30<rickbot>if you got a message about your gcc version, that
11:30<cahoot>well I've run it twice today w/o problems
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11:30<rickbot>thats where i'd start investigating
11:30<the_ultimate_samurai>well, i select nvidia and when i run xorg i get "module not found" or something
11:31<Dannys>cahoot:dont work xserver
11:31<cahoot>Dannys: have you tried other methods to install the driver before you used m-a?
11:32<rickbot>earlier you said you had a message saying you needed a different version of gcc. that means the module probably didn't compile
11:32<rickbot>so there's no module to load
11:32<rickbot>and it won't work
11:32<cahoot>wonder why modprobe didn't complain then
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11:33<Dannys>cahoot:yes i try to install with sh /
11:34<cahoot>Dannys: ok I guess that's the root of your present mess
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11:34<Dannys>rickbot:and what mus do?
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11:35<rickbot>you could try adding 'testing' to sources.list and then 'apt-get install gcc4.1' and you might get the right version but i'm only guessing
11:36<Dannys>i have both of versions of gcc (gcc-4.2 and gcc-4.1)
11:37<lupine_85>change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink to point to gcc-4.1
11:37<Dannys>but if i unistall a gcc-4.2 i lost to much
11:37<rickbot>i had to rebuild my kernel to get fglrx to work but ati drivers are well known to have stupid problems so nvidia might not be so bad but thats all i can suggest
11:37<Dannys>rickbot:ty for try
11:38<Dannys>lupin_85:if i do that you say then all packages where use the gcc-4.2 will work?
11:38<lupine_85>if you restore the symlink after the install, then yes
11:39<Dannys>how to do that?
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11:39<lupine_85>the same way you change the existing symlink to point to gcc-4.1
11:39<lupine_85>remove it; create a new one pointing where you want it to go
11:39<rickbot>i wonder why modprobe didn't complain thought. good point
11:40<lupine_85>is it missing rather than nvidia.ko ?
11:40<lupine_85>not that it matters much
11:40<cahoot>study of Xorg.0.log might be useful
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11:41<Dannys>lupine_85 you say to remove the file gcc-4.2 from /usr/bin and then to copy again?
11:42<lupine_85>I said to remove the symlink (/usr/bin/gcc) and replace it with a symlink pointing to the desired gcc version
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11:43<Dannys>how to remove symlink in the /usr/bin/ i have the file gcc-4.2 and gcc-4.1
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11:44<lupine_85>rm /usr/bin/gcc; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-<version> /usr/bin/gcc
11:44<lupine_85>it's not hard
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11:44<user01>hmmm keyboard crashes when i try to run it from system
11:45<user01>get the little bug reporting too
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11:45<blal>Ok, I fixed the ol' keyboard. (The problems persisted in LILO and earlier in the boot process. I switched keyboards w/o modifying my software. Now all's well.)
11:45<user01>i was trying to change to us international instead of regular us
11:46<blal>Now... I'd like to log boot messages. What do I need to tweak to view the results of going into runlevel 3, etc. during bootup? I'm getting an error message when starting one of the daemons. Is the full boot process logged somewhere? Can it be?
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11:48<petemc>/etc/default/bootlogd has an option to enable boot logging, debian uses runlevel 2
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11:50<blal>petemc : Fuck, yeah.
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11:59<bigFoot^>Evening folks
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12:00<bigFoot^>I was on a few days ago with a problem that my installer wouldn't get past scanning the disk drives before the partitioning options came up, and someone suggested installing without hardware detection. But, I was just about to try that when I realised that I forgot about an error message which may be relevant - something about the sector size being 2048 (?), and the code being highly experimental
12:00<bigFoot^>So I thought I'd check about that first.
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12:02<bigFoot^>Any thoughts, anyone?
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12:05<george>can you install an amd64 kernel on a debian etch userland which is i386?
12:05<george>would that work?
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12:10<wickedsun>anyone wants to take a stab at my problem? I got a .avi of the console
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12:39<risjh>i upgraded testing earlier today and had this problem, whenever i tried to use ssh ssh: symbol EVP_Cipher, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file with link time reference
12:39<risjh>and i did dist-upgrade minutes ago and got this error update-menus: /lib/ version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by update-menus)
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12:45<sancey>preciso de ajuda na configuração do meu Debian
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12:45<sancey>preciso de um servidor IRC Brasileiro, alguém sabe?
12:46<liable>engrish please
12:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:49<widrone>wickedsun: avi of the boot? Multimedial bootup troubeshooting? ;)
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12:50<widrone>wickedsun: Do they have the same set of stuff configured? And Im guessing no different grub stanzas at all either?
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12:53<widrone>wickedsun: And Im guessing you buildt them yourself? Did you do it the debian way at all?
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12:54<user01>thanks everyone for the help getting ipw2100 to work
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12:55<user01>is there a way change the screensaver to xscreensaver?
12:55<user01>in gnome
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12:57<blal>How can I get a list of non-installed packages that still have configuration files? (A "c" shows in the far left in aptitude)
12:58<blal>I think that's the same as a package status of "Config-files".
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12:58<blal>Namely, I'd like to purge these packages.
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13:06<user01>any way to get 3d accelertion for mobility radeon 7500?
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13:10<rickbot>user01: the 'radeon' driver worked for me on a 7500 card
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13:11<user01>rickbot: is that the same as ati?
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13:13<rickbot>its included with xorg-ati as far as i remember but in xorg.conf, use 'radeon' instead of 'ati' for driver
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13:14<rickbot>i don't think 'ati' works with cards that old but radeon does (i think)
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13:15<rickbot>its been a while since i had that card so i might have my info screwed but i know it worked with the radeon driver and had 3d
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13:19<gabriel_>hello, anyone have azureus? i can't actualize it
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13:21<chealer>rickbot: man ati
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13:22<bartm>weird problem, the enter-key does not respond with opengl software (nvidia driver) - any idea how to solve this?
13:23<nefes21>no driveeer
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13:23<nefes21>Im ibrahim k?nl?
13:23<gabriel_>any one can help with azureus ?
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13:24<nefes21>t?rk?e bilen varm?
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13:28<chealer>bartm: huh, like you can't choose a level in ppracer?
13:29<bartm>I'm not sure about ppracer, but I tried "tomatoes" and "freedroidrpg"
13:30<bartm>chealer: do you have the same problem?
13:30<chealer>bartm: no
13:30[~]bartm is going to have a look at ppracer
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13:32<bartm>chealer: is ppracer not in debian, or does it have a different name?
13:32<chealer>bartm: planetpenguin-racer I think
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13:35<user01>ppracer is too choppy, but worked fine under ubuntu . . . not sure what the issue is
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13:36<bakero>hi there i?ve got a problem with my build-essential i couldn?t install ist
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13:39<duekiller>anyone have any experience with the ivtv drivers ?
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13:54<Aero>after apt-get install kde i got by calling "kdeinit" the error $DISPLAY not set, what did i wring / or better, how can i fix it -_-
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13:59<anessen>Anyone in here have/had problems with wlan-ng drvers with Prism PCMCIA cards?
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14:04<shogunx>anessen, you would be better off with hostap
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14:06<anessen>shogunx, that's what I am currently using to get it to work. I can't get network manager to display wireless networks to connect to them (its just convenience) or set up encryption keys
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14:06<sebastw_>hello world
14:06<sebastw_>Someoe can help me please ?
14:06<somebody>i got a huge prob :P
14:07<somebody>im new to linux etc.
14:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
14:07<sebastw_>I can't install nvidia driver with module-assistant
14:07<somebody>and i cat get this wlan card running :P
14:07<somebody>its a pcmcia card
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14:07<somebody>wl-140 sitecome
14:07<sebastw_>xorg say "no driver" but modprobe nvidia runs successfully
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14:08<chealer>sebastw_: which Debian suite do you use?
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14:08<sebastw_>chealer, sid
14:08<chealer>sebastw_: which guide did you follow?
14:09<somebody>also there is a problem with iceweasel when i start it some weird display bugs r appearing :P
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14:09<chealer>!tell sebastw_ about ngd
14:10<sebastw_>i just execute module-assistant with nvidia sources
14:11<chealer>sebastw_: module-assistant can only install the nvidia LKM
14:11<sebastw_>wait. I consult nvidia guide given by dpkg
14:14<anessen>OK, so the hostap driver is working for my Prism 2.5 card. But, I can't get Gnome's network manager to work with my wireless card. It just says "Wired Network" in the dropdown, instead of a list of available networks. Is it possible to get that working?
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14:15<sebastw_>ok i must restart xorg
14:15<sebastw_>see you later
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14:22<sebastw>hello world
14:22<sebastw>nvidia runs successfully
14:22<sebastw>Thans at all !!!
14:23<sebastw>thanks dpkg and chealer
14:23<dpkg>sure thing, sebastw
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14:23<sebastw>bye bye and thanks you again
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14:25<bigFoot^>Evening everyone. I got Debian installed, but I've been a right arse installing GRUB, and I was wondering if anyone can help --
14:26<bigFoot^>I managed (somehow) to install GRUB to the MBR of a hard drive I used to have installed and no longer do (not even in my case, let alone plugged in by accident). I think that my BIOS somehow saved boot settings from it and that installer detected it from there (?)
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14:26<bigFoot^>I really didn't think that was possible, but...
14:27<bigFoot^>Anyway, now I obviously can't boot into my new Linux installation, and I was wondering if anyone can suggest an easy way to fix it?
14:27<bigFoot^>Or rather
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14:27<bigFoot^>Easier than d/ling a liveCD and using that to install GRUB again... in the right place, this time....
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14:27<bigFoot^>And also, if anyone can work out how I somehow have a non-existant HD on my machine...
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14:37<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to mount an SMB share from a Windows box but it gives this error when I try: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnomem (Insufficient server memory to perform the requested function.)
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14:39<bigFoot^>EmleyMoor: What size is the share that you're trying to mount, and how much memory do you have on the server box?
14:39<bigFoot^>(i.e. the Doze box)
14:40<EmleyMoor>Um... 111Gb and 1Gb
14:40<bigFoot^>Well it's possible from the error message that that's the problem
14:40<bigFoot^>I recommend creating a smaller share which 1GB memory can handle on the Doze box and trying to mount that instead - if that still doesn't mount, you at least know that's not the problem
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14:41<bigFoot^>And if it does, then you'll probably have to split the 111GB share down into smaller chunks
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14:42<EmleyMoor>But you can't split in that direction
14:42<EmleyMoor>It is also conceivable that it's talking rubbish
14:42<mbp>no entiendo
14:42<bigFoot^>Entirely - but at least that'll tell you whether it's rubbish or not.
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14:43<bigFoot^>To be honest, with a share that size, it probably makes sense to host an FTP server on the Doze box anyway (I assume you're doing this over LAN?) and download like that
14:43<EmleyMoor>It fails in the same way with a much smaller portion
14:43<bigFoot^>Ah, ok.
14:43<bigFoot^>Are you definitely using the right cmd?
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14:44<bigFoot^>Or, better yet - what cmd are you using? :P
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14:46<EmleyMoor>bigFoot: mount -t smbfs -o username //servername/sharename /mnt
14:47<EmleyMoor>I don't think flexbackup has a way to acquire via ftp, does it?
14:48<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... should be -u should it not
14:49<EmleyMoor>Er... no
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15:08<the-me>EmleyMoor, dont use smbfs, it's deprecated, better use cifs
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15:15<duekiller>quick question about a tv stream
15:16<duekiller>if I have a stream in video0 how do I play it back using xine ?
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15:27<dpkg><yazid> "dumb client with the fewest moving parts" .. a phrase dangerous when overheard by strangers out of the IT office ;)
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15:34<Mark_NL>Hey Guys
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15:34<Mark_NL>Ehm, Does anyone know how you can found out how much memory (RAM) a server is having with SSH
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15:35<dpkg>you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps
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15:36<ranix>Mark_NL: cat /proc/meminfo perhaps
15:36<ranix>else, Top
15:36<liable>Mark_NL: free or top
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15:36<gamma>does anyone know the command that lists the pci devices?
15:37<dpkg>cifs is probably Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT
15:37<dpkg>methinks smbfs is the server message block file system. if you get errors like "smbfs: need mount version 6", you need to install smbfsx and purge smbfs.
15:38<tr0gd0r>MemTotal: 446748 kB
15:38<tr0gd0r>is that 512mb?
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15:39<treyh0>436.277344 megabytes
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15:39<tr0gd0r>my server is supposed to have 512MB in it
15:40<tr0gd0r>why is it coming up like that
15:40<treyh0>might have some used on the onboard graphics
15:40<tr0gd0r>treyh0: anyway to tell?
15:40<treyh0>if you are using the on board VGA, reboot, check the bios and see how much you have allocated
15:41<treyh0>sometimes its nuts, allocating 64 or 128 MB to video for a damn on board pos
15:41<tr0gd0r>i only have ssh access
15:41<treyh0>not sure, i'd ask the hosting provider
15:42<gamma>does anyone know why steam isnt avalable on linux natavly?
15:42<treyh0>seems like they are stiffing you around 76 MB
15:42<tr0gd0r>is there like a cat /proc/videocard
15:42<treyh0>gamma: because its proprietary software and the company doesnt want to spend any resources on supporting linux?
15:43<treyh0>tr0gd0r: /proc/pci maybe
15:43<treyh0>look for VGA
15:43<treyh0>but i dont think that'll show you what the memory is used for
15:43<gamma>thats lame
15:43<treyh0>gamma: indeed :(
15:43<tr0gd0r>cat: /proc/pci: No such file or directory
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15:43<gamma>i would format my widows of steam was on linux
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15:44<ranix>the cake is a lie
15:44<gamma>no it isnt
15:44<gamma>it was real
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15:51<debchi>hell oeverybody
15:52<Mark_NL>Does anyone here got some exp with OpenVZ or virutozzo?
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15:53<mauricio>hi all
15:53<mauricio>i got a question
15:53<Mark_NL>Just ask
15:53<Mark_NL>weŕe with 316 people
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15:54<mauricio>i've recently installed xserver-xorg from unstable debian mirror and the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf exists but is empty
15:56<bzed>mauricio: afaik the new xorg should figure out things all alone, it only needs stuff in there if it doesn;t manage to do it. but I may be wrong.
15:56<bzed>Mark_NL: all I use is vserver, and they rock!
15:56<liable>mauricio: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
15:56<Mark_NL>bzed, ehm
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15:56<Mark_NL>bzed, can you tell me how you can find out how much memory a single VPS is using?
15:57<Mark_NL>bzed, because I don't know how much memory I always have
15:57<mauricio>liable: I already did it
15:57<liable>mauricio: and it didnt write to the file?
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15:57<liable>mauricio: you did exactly as i typed?
15:58<mauricio>liable: not exactly
15:58<mauricio>liable : i did "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
15:58<bzed>Mark_NL: looks like you ahve two gigs of memory. no clue how much you;re allowed to use, though. openvz is different from vserver
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15:58<liable>mauricio: do you think i added those switches for fun?
15:59<mauricio>liable: what's the difference between this two lines?
15:59<Mark_NL>bzed, thanks
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15:59<mauricio>liable: ok man
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16:00<mauricio>liable: nothing, empty again
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16:01<liable>mauricio: eh, shouldnt be, remove that file and try again
16:01<liable>shouldn't nedd to though
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16:02<liable>mauricio: if so, cat the file, run the command, cat the file and paste all output to pastebot
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16:03<|Brad|>liable, mauricio:
16:03<gamma>how do i find what distro version i have? like etch or lenny etc
16:03<dli_>gamma, cat /etc/debian_version
16:04<liable>gamma: your sources.list
16:04<liable>|Brad|: is that relevant to this?
16:05<|Brad|>Most likely, I had the exact same problem a few days ago
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16:26<mauricio>|Brad| : I tried that solution and did not work
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16:26<|Brad|>You have to be a bit persistent with it, it didn't work first time for me either
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16:28<mauricio>|Brad|: so the problem is with dexconf and not with xserver-xorg right?
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16:29<|Brad|>It's the xserver-xorg postinst script I believe
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16:33<EmleyMoor>the-me: Is cifs really an option? If so, point me its way
16:34<EmleyMoor>I can't persuade Norton Ghost to write to a share that the Windows box has mounted, nor can I mount its drive to have flexbackup tar it
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16:44<ghostbar>hey! what about xorg.conf in sid?
16:45<ghostbar>where's now the conf?
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16:50<lontra>!ndiswrapper one-liner
16:50<dpkg>i heard ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper
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16:51<NIC1138> do I change weapon in xtux?? :)
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16:52<whooptedoo>im trying to spoof my mac address for my wireless card. Ive tried changing it with ifconfig, doesn't work. Ive tried editing the config files in /etc/ndiswrapper/ to change the line that says NetworkAddress|xxxxxxxxx. Ive spent ages on google... anyone have any tips?
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17:01<mauricio>|Brad|: I've re run dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and now message a get is "dexconf: error: cannot generate configuration file; xserver-xorg/config/device/driver not set"
17:05<valdyn>mauricio: and.. ?
17:05<valdyn>mauricio: you want to run -plow
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18:01<df1amb>!beer df1amb
18:01[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for df1amb
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18:08<Frippe>anyone still awake? ;)
18:08<amphi>oh no, another flat-earther
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18:11<Frippe>what is the correct way to start up a service as a specific user at bootup
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18:11<jagerman>Frippe: What service are you talking about, specifically?
18:13<Frippe>I just want to run a command as a non-root user during startup
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18:14<jagerman>Frippe: You could put it in rc.local
18:14<jagerman>Frippe: I suppose just something like: su - username command
18:15<Frippe>sudo -u vnc bash -c "(HOME=/home/user;vncserver :2)"
18:16<lupine_85>su <username> -c <command> would also work
18:17<jagerman>Well, okay, as long as root can run sudo without a password.
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18:17<Frippe>ok, just checking if there was a cleaner way of doing it
18:18<nemo>hi there
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18:21<tr0gd0r>will rc.local run commands as root at startup?
18:22<dpkg>rc.local is probably /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s
18:23<nemo>anyone know of a good place to look for wifi support on a specific wireless adaptor?
18:23<nemo>i've checked the forums, and googled myself to death last night
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18:23<EmleyMoor>nemo: Which?
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18:24<nemo>DWA-643 N wireless for PCIe
18:24<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not one I've even heard of
18:24<nemo>it's a cardbus express adaptor
18:24<nemo>i don't even care if it runs n, i just want g to work
18:24<nemo>so far i've deduced that it runs the atheros chipset
18:24<nemo>ndiswrapper gives me no luck, even following an ubuntu forum post i found on google
18:25<dpkg>it has been said that madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.
18:25<nemo>i'd agree with you themill, but madwifi stops support at 5413 chips
18:25<themill>(never done it, but that's what the bot knows... might be a start for you)
18:25<nemo>and it won't see junk running the madwifi module i build with module-assist :(
18:26<nemo>i spent $100 on this frikkin adaptor, so i'd like to make it work
18:26<nemo>in winxp it runs super frikkin fast even at g
18:27<nemo>i setup the pciehp module to load, force=1 'd the thing so it'd work
18:27<nemo>and it doesn't act like it
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18:27<nemo>this reminds me of when i got dialup to work on slackware7
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18:33[~]jagerman wishes madwifi didn't suck so much
18:33<nemo>i wish express cardbus wireless adaptors didn't suck
18:35<dpkg>hmm... init.d is ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local>
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18:44<Frippe>woho it's finally working
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18:50<gce>ive got a 3ware 9650 raid controller with 6 - 500gb drives in raid 5 config. after parted I see 2.5TB of disk space, after pvcreate it shows PV size of 280.26GB why doesn't it show the correct size ? running debian etch amd64.
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18:50<valdyn>gce: why do you think its not correct?
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18:51<gce>I would think that PV should equal 2.5TB
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18:52<valdyn>gce: doesnt make sense what you are showing as 280GB is barely more than 1/10
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18:53<gce>valdyn: doesn't make since at all .. I'm wondering what "feature" I'm hitting when I have a single device that large
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18:53<valdyn>gce: why are you using parted at all?
18:54<valdyn>gce: i mean, why are you using dos partitions at all?
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18:55<gce>valdyn: you have to use parted as fdisk is not large disk aware
18:56<valdyn>gce: parted also just creates dos partitions
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18:57<gce>valdyn: yes that's one of its capabilities
18:57<valdyn>gce: it just doesn't make sense to create 1 huge dos partition, where lvm can address the whole device just fine
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18:58<valdyn>gce: unless you want to create alot of dos partitions for easier resizing of your vg
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19:02<gce>valdyn: you must use parted to make the gpt partition table layout so that lvm is awaree of the disk
19:02<valdyn>gce: nope
19:04<valdyn>gce: pvcreate /dev/<disk> works same as pvcreate /dev/<partition>
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19:06<valdyn>gce: im googling for limits of pvcreate
19:06<valdyn>gce: you need to adjust your physical extent size
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19:07<valdyn>gce: default is 4096kbytes, maximum is 64k times that. = 256GB
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19:09<gce>valdyn: thanks I'll give that shot
19:11<valdyn>gce: hmm, nevermind, that must be to old data, novell sais there's no limit ( )
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19:31<knoppix_>wena wena
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19:32<Guest1756>esta algien aiiiiiiiiiiii
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19:42<linxa__>qué necesitas
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19:51<gce>yay problem solved, I needed to do mkpart primary 0 2.5T within parted to fix my problem.
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20:03<luciano_uisk>hi to all
20:04<luciano_uisk>can i show a message on terminal when i log in, just like slackware, but in debian?
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20:05<luciano_uisk>in slackware it puts a link in a folder, inside etc, but i dont see it in debian , ...
20:05<luciano_uisk>is there any other way to do it?
20:05<luciano_uisk>put a command into .bashrc, or something, ..
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20:06<lifelike>is there any way to run multiple X sessions? every time I try it my machine locks and I have to hard reset =\
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20:08<luciano_uisk>to lifelike :well, about multiple X sessions, you can run x -- :2
20:08<Night-Fire>I have a Supermicro Server I'm trying to build for file hosting and etch will not install. It will not install the 2
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20:08<Night-Fire>I have a Supermicro Server I'm trying to build for file hosting and etch will not install. It will not install the 2.6 kernel
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20:08<luciano_uisk>press ctrl+alt+f2 and you will open another terminal
20:08<lifelike>yeah I xinit -- :0 at first, and that's fine, then I swtich back to bash and xinit -- :1 and my machine locks
20:09<Night-Fire>the specs: Supermicro Mainboard, Raid 5 (3Ware 9x series raid card) 4 x 750Gb Hdd's
20:09<luciano_uisk>well, i normally saw it as "xinit -- :2"
20:09<Night-Fire>I try installing using the entire disk which is what it needs to be for the app I will be puttin gon it
20:09<luciano_uisk>not "xinit -- :1"
20:10<luciano_uisk>i never tried "xinit -- :0" and then ":1"
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20:10<luciano_uisk>can it be because of low memory?
20:10<Night-Fire>its 8gb of ecc ram
20:11<luciano_uisk>well, then it must be something else ...
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20:11<Night-Fire>i've tried this in another server, simmilar specs but not the same and i get the same resault when i use 750gb hdds
20:11<Night-Fire>if i use 250's its fine
20:12<luciano_uisk>it just lock? dont pop out any message?
20:12<Night-Fire>just says cannont install the kerlel
20:12<Night-Fire>I don't know if its an INODE issue or what it may be
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20:13<luciano_uisk>to lifelike: it just lock? dont pop out any message?
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20:20<luciano_uisk>to lifelike: well, sometimes the logs into /var/log saves me some headaches, ...
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20:54<geauxx>hi guys, is there any way i can use php with thttpd?
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20:58<gce>Night-Fire: which 3ware Controller ? Are the boot drives on it ?
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21:19<user01>hmm no luck another 4 hours wasted . . .
21:21<user01>not wasted i guess at least i learned something
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21:27<tmg1>where does didiwiki store it's data in debian?
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21:28<gsimmons>tmg1: Looks to be in /var/lib/didiwiki
21:28<IceGuest_7>hving trouble with a debian install
21:29<IceGuest_7>the cd boots but nothing haapens. then 10 secs later windows boots
21:29<tmg1>gsimmons: that helps A Lot. do you use ripple?
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21:31<gsimmons>tmg1: Sorry, I'm not familiar with it.
21:31<IceGuest_7>anyone hve any ideas?
21:31<tmg1>gsimmons: nm then:)
21:32<gce>IceGuest_7: first guess is bad install disk
21:32<IceGuest_7>second guess?
21:32<gce>Iceguest_7: try burning a new copy
21:32<tmg1>IceGuest_7: did you tell your BIOS to boot cdrom first?
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21:34<IceGuest_7>it was my last cd and parents arent willing t drive me to radishack
21:37<tr0gd0r>when i do 'hostname blah' on my server, upon a reboot my server isnt named blah anymore
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21:37<tr0gd0r>anyway to make it stick?
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21:38<alaya>tr0gd0r: edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
21:38<IceGuest_7>is there nobody else to help?
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21:41<dli_>IceGuest_7, can you try usb booting? or installing from hard drive
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21:41<tr0gd0r>anyone know an ipv6 i can ping to see if my ipv6 is working?
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21:42<alaya>try the windows installer at
21:42<chealer>IceGuest_7: what do you mean by "the cd boots"?
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21:56<alaya>tr0gd0r: try ping -I <ipv6 iface address> <dest>
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22:00<tr0gd0r>should ifconfig be a command
22:00<tr0gd0r>i keep getting command not found
22:02<tr0gd0r>hmm somehow /sbin got taken out of my path
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22:15<julian>Does anyone know of a repository for KDE 4 beta 2? or am I going to need to compile from source
22:16<julian>I've seen a few for various ubuntu distros, but I'm not sure I'd like to break my system trying it
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22:17<khamar>new netinstall (on gx260 dell) has left the machine with no sound (no /dev/dsp) and alsaconf does not find sound hardware. Any ideas???
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22:21<chealer>julian: ask #debian-kde
22:22<julian>thanks much. didn't know the channel existed :)
22:22<IceGuest_7>how can i boot from hard drive?
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22:22<chealer>IceGuest_7: uh? I don't think that has to do with Debian.
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22:23<IceGuest_7>sorry i meant installing from the har drive
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22:24<IceGuest_7>*hard drive*
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22:26<tr0gd0r>where are the default paths stored?
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22:30<tr0gd0r>locate .bash_profile
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22:37<julian>any recommendations for C++ IDE other than Eclipse CDT? the memory usage is a bit high for me, and its not as responsive as I would like
22:37<julian>i've toyed with Kdevelop, but doesn't quite seem to have the features I'd like
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22:39<tr0gd0r>omg wtf is wrong with my bash. its not thinking /sbin is in my path
22:39<julian>although considering i have a project due in 2 days, i should be coding and not worrying about my IDE :p
22:39<tr0gd0r>so I added export PATH=/sbin to my .bash_profile
22:39<tr0gd0r>then relogged in
22:39<tr0gd0r>still not in my path
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22:51<alaya>try 'source ~/.bash_profile'
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23:12<the_ultimate_samurai>grr, now my apt-get dist-upgrade is failing
23:13<the_ultimate_samurai>i used apt-get dist-upgrade because apt-get upgrade was failing
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23:13<the_ultimate_samurai>and now its failing at a different place, and i dont know how to get past it
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23:15<the_ultimate_samurai>mozzila-locale-ja (--remove) subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
23:15<the_ultimate_samurai>apt-get -f install does not work
23:15<the_ultimate_samurai>same error
23:16<Zaepho>anyone having problems with the latest php5-pgsql giving the error undefined symbol: PQescapeStringConn in the apache2 error log?
23:16<Zaepho>and if so have you found a workaround?
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23:21<none>somebody can help me?
23:21<none>i have debian, how to can i configure my environment for start with kde?
23:22<none>it works with gnome..
23:22<none>how to can i remove gnome?
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23:22<none>i type: apt-get remove gnome and it doesn't work
23:22<none>somebody... can help me?
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23:23<chealer>none: which Debian suite do you use?
23:23<none>woody i think...
23:24<none> download the DVD image from debian dot org
23:24<chealer>none: make sure
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23:24<none>how to can i know?
23:24<chealer>!tell none about debian version
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23:26<chealer>none: Debian has no version 2.6.
23:26<none>how is the version command?
23:26<chealer>none: dpkg sent you the factoid to determine your version.
23:27<chealer>the command is in the factoid
23:27<none>sorry :p wait a second... permission denied.. i'll try as root
23:27<chealer>the permission shouldn't be denied
23:28<chealer>none: is KDE installed?
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23:29<none>i type: apt-get install kde
23:29<none>i think so... yes it is...
23:29<chealer>none: are you able to start KDE?
23:30<none>but, i don't know how to...
23:30<none>i put startx and it starts in gnome..
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23:31<chealer>none: startx? is this your first GNU/Linux installation?
23:31<none>but i'm, not an expert...
23:31<chealer>none: is gdm installed?
23:32<chealer>none: doesn't it start automatically when you boot?
23:33<none>i don't know what is GDM!! sorry.. :( i just put apt-get install gdm and she told me already installed... i put gdm in the shell and told me... already running
23:33<none>now i'm working with gnome...
23:33<chealer>none: OK. when Debian finished to start, what do you see?
23:34<none>but.. i can run ksirc.. konkeror..
23:34<none>a log in screen...
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23:34<none>i log in and it open gnome
23:34<chealer>none: in this screen, you see a "session type" menu, right?
23:35<none>could be...
23:35<none>how to can i open the log in screen again?
23:35<chealer>none: close your GNOME session
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23:36<none>it only answer me name and password
23:37<none>looks like gnome...
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23:38<twb>What kernel parameter do I add when netbooting to have the preseed file downloaded via TFTP (instead of HTTP)?
23:38<chealer>none: you don't see any menu at the bottom left of the screen?
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23:38<twb>(I asked #debian-boot, but they are AFK, and the installation manual doesn't say.)
23:38<none>only a box for put my user
23:38<none>after, my pass
23:39<chealer>none: does it look like one of these screenshots?
23:39<Rask>This should be a pretty quick question... what is the name of that program that runs after a fresh Debian install that asks you what collections of packages you want to install? (print server, file server, desktop environment, etc.) :)
23:39<none>yes it is!!
23:39<chealer>Rask: tasksel
23:39<Rask>Thanks. :D
23:39<none>xD wait..
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23:41<Rask>Ah, fark. :( That didn't solve my problem... I'm trying to compile something from source, and it's giving me errors about being unable to find stdlib.h, stdio.h, and other really elementary C headers. What package am I missing?
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23:41<chealer>Rask: build-essential
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23:41<none>thank you very much!! xD
23:41<chealer>none: what was the problem?
23:41<Rask>Chealer: Oh, cool. Just out of curiosity, which of the categories in tasksel is build-essential under?
23:42<none>chealer not one.. i just... could... see the menu..
23:42<none>on the left :p
23:42<chealer>none: hehe, OK
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23:42<none>chealer... i have a partition.... in FAT32 because on the installation i couldn found the NTFS formatter..
23:42<none>how to can i format in NTFS?
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23:44<chealer>Rask: uh, I guess that would fall in "manual package selection"
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23:44<Rask>Hm. o_o Suppose so. Well, thanks anyhoo. :)
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23:44<gsimmons>none: Install the 'ntfsprogs' package, use mkntfs.
23:44<indu>hi all
23:45<chealer>none: wait, what do you have on this partition?
23:45<indu>I want to give amd architecture support for my cd
23:45<indu>what is the process
23:45<indu>do I just need to add the kernel-amd64 or any thing else
23:45<chealer>indu: which CD?
23:45<chealer>none: what do you want to do with this partition?
23:45<none>is for copy mp3s etcs..
23:46<none>and i need to use it in win too...
23:46<indu>chealer, install cd
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23:46<chealer>none: and why don't you put them in your main Windows partition?
23:46<chealer>indu: a CD to install what?
23:46<none>because i format the window partition.. all weeks..
23:47<indu>chealer, cd to install debian
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23:47<chealer>none: OK, well, as gsimmons wrote
23:47<none>for clean... because my system sometimes works bad... i need to format... all weeks... but i want to make a image... and copy all from debian...
23:48<chealer>indu: why don't you use an existing Debian installation CD?
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23:48<indu>chealer, I am trying out with my own os that depends on debian
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23:49<Grueber>that reminds me of Stormix
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23:49<chealer>indu: ah, that's not a cd to install debian then. anyway, this is just a Debian support channel.
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23:50[~]Grueber taps his foot patiently while the P2 350 compiles 2.6.23
23:50<dx>"Find your java home directory (something like /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun), and make sure you know it's name." I'm having much trouble finding this in Lenny after installing Java so I can symlink
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23:51<dx>Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05) is the version I have, may somebody help me?
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