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00:12<dx>is there support for the above problem?
00:12<dx>asking again in 28 minutes
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00:35<the_ultimate_samurai>ok, the apt-get dist-upgrade is working, but it still cant find the module nvidia
00:35<the_ultimate_samurai>modprobe nvidia doesnt give any messages...so i dont know if its successful or not
00:36<the_ultimate_samurai>seems i cant modprobe something that doesnt exist
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00:36<the_ultimate_samurai>so it should exist
00:37<the_ultimate_samurai>why cant i startx when my thing is set to nvidia
00:37<Grueber>is it "nv" in xorg conf?
00:37<the_ultimate_samurai>it was, but i changed it to nvidia
00:37<the_ultimate_samurai>nv works, but it cant do tv out
00:37<jm_>why don't you read dmesg/x server logfile?
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00:39<the_ultimate_samurai>what am i looking for?
00:39<cafuego>the_ultimate_samurai: if modprobe prints nothing, everything went as it should.
00:40<the_ultimate_samurai>well if everything went as it should, then why does it say the module doesnt exist?
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00:42<the_ultimate_samurai>loadmodule: "nvidia" | warning, couldnt open module nvidia | unloadmodule: "nvidia" | failed to load module "
00:42<the_ultimate_samurai>nvidia" (module does not exist", 0)
00:43<the_ultimate_samurai>from xorg.0.log
00:43<jm_>that's not a kernel module ...
00:44<the_ultimate_samurai>hm?
00:44<the_ultimate_samurai>i thought it was...
00:44<the_ultimate_samurai>well what is it and how can i make it work?
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00:45<jm_>which version of X server are you using?
00:45<the_ultimate_samurai>how do i find that out?
00:45<jm_>look at the top of X logfile
00:45<the_ultimate_samurai>1.3.0
00:46<jm_>ok so you need the new nvidia driver
00:46<jm_>should be 100.something, what do you have?
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00:47<jm_>100.14.19-1 will work fine
00:47<the_ultimate_samurai>2.6.18-4-486
00:47<jm_>no no, that's the kernel - dpkg -l|grep nvidia
00:49<the_ultimate_samurai>...there are 3 different kernel modules..
00:49<jm_>look for nvidia-glx package
00:50<the_ultimate_samurai>1.0.8776-4
00:50<jm_>yeah like I said, you'll need something much newer - are you using Etch with backported X server?
00:51<the_ultimate_samurai>think so..
00:51<the_ultimate_samurai>the xorg says etch, but tty says lenny/sid
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00:53<jm_>sounds screwed up :)
00:54<the_ultimate_samurai>though i did just get done doing apt-get dist-upgrade...but i never changed my sources.list
00:54<the_ultimate_samurai>if etch is no longer testing...it may have changed and i havent seen my xorg since
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00:55<jm_>yeah must be that if you have testing in sources.list
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00:59<the_ultimate_samurai>so how do i get the new nvidia?
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01:00<jm_>it's in sid, simple sid backport if it won't install directly
01:00<the_ultimate_samurai>says nvidia-glx is the newest version
01:02<the_ultimate_samurai>im not sure what sid backport means...
01:03<jm_>!simple sid backport
01:03<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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01:07<the_ultimate_samurai>oh yeah...those are binary files
01:07<the_ultimate_samurai>i dont think a backport would work
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01:09<jm_>it will, it also works for Etch
01:09<the_ultimate_samurai>well it just said it couldnt find the source
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01:09<elhaz>hi everyone
01:09<the_ultimate_samurai>"unable to find a source package for nvidia-graphics-driver"
01:10<elhaz>i'm trying to install Debian lenney, but he don't recognize my Ethernet Card.
01:10<elhaz>how can i load a module..
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01:10<the_ultimate_samurai>when i did apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx
01:10<elhaz>i know that work because with ubuntu works fine
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01:15<jm_>elhaz: do you know which one you need?
01:15<jm_>the_ultimate_samurai: you didn't do steps 1) and 2)
01:15<elhaz>yeah.. ubuntu load the e100 module
01:15<jm_>so load it manually, see what it says
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01:16<elhaz>but i don't know.. i try with etch (a old cd, when he was testing) and the ethernet works fine.
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01:17<elhaz>but.. how can i load.. from a tty?
01:17<elhaz>thats all?
01:17<the_ultimate_samurai>i may have done them wrong
01:17<the_ultimate_samurai>sid is the stable isnt it
01:19<arrrgrrr>elhaz: modprobe e100
01:19<arrrgrrr>if it's already loaded, unload it and reload it
01:19<elhaz>not.. !"FATAL: Module e100 not found"
01:20<elhaz>what can i do?...
01:20<elhaz>humm
01:20<chealer>elhaz: on Linux 2.6.22?
01:20<arrrgrrr>hmm I guess you don't have it then?
01:20<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: no, sid is unstable.
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01:21<elhaz>2.6.18
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01:21<the_ultimate_samurai>so there is...stable, unstable, and testing?
01:21<arrrgrrr>yes
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01:21<chealer>elhaz: are you sure you're not trying to install etch?
01:21<the_ultimate_samurai>then, whats etch?
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01:21<chealer>!tell the_ultimate_samurai about releases
01:21<d4rkl0rd>heya, can sbd tell me why i cant compile nvidia driver (9629) with 2.6.23.1 kernel?
01:21<elhaz>i'm here with the cd in my laptop..
01:21<elhaz>no ethernet card
01:22<elhaz>8390: national semiconductor 8390 ethernet
01:22<elhaz>none of the above..
01:22<chealer>d4rkl0rd: you tell us...
01:22<arrrgrrr>d4rkl0rd: looks like I can't compile any driver with 2.6.23.1 either
01:22<the_ultimate_samurai>i set the thing to stable...so...is that going to be a problem
01:22<arrrgrrr>d4rkl0rd: ndiswrapper, madwifi
01:22<arrrgrrr>neither works
01:22<elhaz>chealer, is lenny
01:22<d4rkl0rd>uh.. looks crazy
01:22<elhaz>some minutes ago i download it
01:23<dx>"Find your java home directory (something like /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun), and make sure you know it's name." I'm having much trouble finding this in Lenny after installing Java so I can symlink
01:23<d4rkl0rd>its nice it has new cheduler, but for what if i cant use that kernel :)
01:23<dx>Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05) is the version I have, may somebody help me?
01:23<chealer>jm_: 100 is not needed for xorg-server 1.3.
01:24<chealer>elhaz: which Linux image exactly?
01:24<elhaz>debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso
01:25<the_ultimate_samurai>where did the deb's go?
01:25<chealer>elhaz: that's your installation iso, but it may install a number of Linux images.
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01:25<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: which deb's?
01:25<elhaz>hummm
01:25<the_ultimate_samurai>4) install the resultant debs
01:26<jm_>chealer: so you'd rather have him explain how to fetch the minimal needed version from snapshot.debian.net?
01:26<jm_>the_ultimate_samurai: current dir
01:26<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what, do you mean, "4)"?
01:26<elhaz>i'm here with a old etch cd.. and he loads the e100 module.
01:26<chealer>oh
01:26<the_ultimate_samurai>ah crap...thats my /etc/X11
01:27<elhaz>but die when is installing grub or lilo
01:27<jm_>you ran apt-get source in /etc/X11? not a good idea
01:27<elhaz>but i don't know why this new lenny cd don't load that module..
01:29<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: you need to at least figure out which Debian suite you use if you want decent chances of getting help.
01:29<dx>is there support for the above problem?
01:30<jm_>dx: why do you think you need to set JAVA_HOME?
01:31<the_ultimate_samurai>its sid
01:31<jm_>dx: dpkg -S bin/java
01:31<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: for, you should reinstall a suite appropriate for you, either stable or testing.
01:31<jm_>the_ultimate_samurai: you are not using sid, otherwise you nvidia-glx would be OK to start with
01:32<jm_>your problem is you're using Lenny
01:32<the_ultimate_samurai>it says lenny/sid
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01:32<jm_>or some odd mix of lenny and sid, hard to tell
01:32<arch>HI all, anyone know hwo to turn debian into standby mode?
01:32<the_ultimate_samurai>debian gnu/linux lenny/sid
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01:34<dx>jm_ ~ i dont have to set JAVA_HOME? thank you
01:35<jm_>dx: read the equivalent of /usr/share/doc/sun-java5-jre/JAVA_HOME on your system
01:35<the_ultimate_samurai>chealer: my source.list says testing
01:36<elhaz>where can i see what modules come in a clean Debian Lenny cd?
01:36<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: OK. which Linux version do you use?
01:36<jm_>elhaz: they are part of the kernel package, Lenny has 2.6.21, not 2.6.18
01:36<the_ultimate_samurai>...
01:36<chealer>elhaz: the exact list depends on your Linux image.
01:36<the_ultimate_samurai>i dontk now chealer
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01:36<chealer>jm_: 2.6.22 now :)
01:36<elhaz>uname -r > 2.6.18-4-486
01:37<the_ultimate_samurai>my uname says 2.6.18-4-486
01:37<dx>jm_ what do you mean by read?
01:37<jm_>chealer: ahh, I'm an idiot, it was .22 already last week
01:37<the_ultimate_samurai>if thats what you mean
01:37<jm_>dx: do you know what verb "read" means?
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01:38<chealer>elhaz: what's the full URL you downloaded your debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso from?
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01:38<george>jm_: that's a adjective!
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01:38<elhaz>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/
01:38<george>(the name of a color :)
01:38<the_ultimate_samurai>...thats red
01:38<elhaz>modprobe -l | grep e100 > Nothing
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01:39<the_ultimate_samurai>and red is also a noun
01:39<george>yeah, like I sed!
01:39<chealer>elhaz: are you connecting to IRC from that system?
01:39<elhaz>not-. :D
01:39<elhaz>my Desktop machine
01:39<george>said raid
01:39<george>why these don't rhyme is beyond me
01:39<elhaz>i'm installing lenny on my laptop
01:39<chealer>jm_: yeah...you're a complete idiot. one week behind Linux! :)
01:40<chealer>elhaz: and you're saying that on your laptop, on which you installed using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso, $ uname -r; outputs "2.6.18-4-486"?
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01:41<jm_>chealer: I remember now checking 2.6.22-486 when someone asked something last week, but as I keep using stable I easily forget what version is in other releases (which reminds me to upgrade to Lenny at home)
01:41<elhaz>i download debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/
01:41<elhaz>and i'm using that iso on my laptop.
01:42<elhaz>i see that in my laptop, when a run: uname -r
01:42<chealer>jm_: hehe. yeah, I used to have a stable machine, but they're all testing now. I'll try sticking on 5.0 for a while :)
01:42<dx>jm_ sorry. what do you mean by read the equivalent of? could you rephrase it? Not sure if there's anything left to do with my java installation
01:42<jm_>dx: run dpkg -S JAVA_HOME, does it return any files?
01:42<elhaz>he show me 2.6.18-4-486
01:42<elhaz>the kernel image on the cd is 2.6.18-4-486
01:43<chealer>elhaz: did you do an expert installation (did you enter any install/boot parameter)?
01:43<elhaz>humm this time.. yeah :) i just press enter
01:43<elhaz>without parameters
01:44<elhaz>but i can see any parameter that could solve the problem..
01:44<chealer>elhaz: what does $ cat /etc/debian_version; output?
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01:45<elhaz>not.. any debian_version file
01:46<jm_>elhaz: on the installed system?
01:46<elhaz>no... i'm installing.
01:46<george>dx: he means if you did something other than installing a package to install java, then your readmes might be,,,
01:46<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: yeah, that's what I meant. that means you're not running pure testing. is linux-image-2.6.22-2-486 installed?
01:46<elhaz>i want that debian recognize in the installation..
01:46<george>in a different place
01:46<elhaz>i'm working in terminal from the cd
01:46<george>or a different name or both
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01:47<the_ultimate_samurai>and how do i find that out?
01:47<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what's your favorite package manager?
01:47<the_ultimate_samurai>dpkg i guess
01:47<the_ultimate_samurai>or apt-get...maybe?
01:47<chealer>elhaz: if I was you, I'd start by installing.
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01:48<the_ultimate_samurai>i always install new packages using apt-get install
01:48<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what does $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.22-2-486|grep Inst; output?
01:49<elhaz>look.. i'm installing debian.. but, when i in the 'Detecting network hardware' the tell me that 'No Ethernet card was detecetd-...'
01:50<chealer>elhaz: yeah...I'd still finish the install before worrying about that problem.
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01:50<the_ultimate_samurai>nothing
01:50<elhaz>hummm but if i want install the module?? i will cant .. because i will not have internet
01:52<the_ultimate_samurai>chealer: it doesnt output anything
01:52<dx>jm_ ; dpkg: *JAVA_HOME* not found.
01:52<chealer>elhaz: it may work after booting the installed system. otherwise, it will at least be easier to debug the issue.
01:52<dx>thank you guys for helping me
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01:53<elhaz>but, i thinks that is not a real issue, is just that the first lenny cd don't have the e100 module
01:53<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: I see... is synaptic installed?
01:53<elhaz>module that a old etch cd have..
01:53<jm_>dx: hmm maybe you don't have anything installed or it has been removed from Java 6
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01:53<the_ultimate_samurai>whereis synaptic doesnt return anything
01:54<jm_>elhaz: how do you know it doesn't have it?
01:54<tim>what
01:54<jm_>did you verify?
01:54<sheldonh>is it appropriate to request inclusion of a bugfix into the 2.6.18 kernel for etch, or is it security fixes only? in particular, the sky2-timeout3.patch on bug #411115 fixes a bug where sky2 NICs drop off the network and require a host reboot
01:54<elhaz>humm i true modprobe -l | grep e100
01:54<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: if you don't mind, install it and run it
01:54<elhaz>*try
01:54<jm_>good old sky2 :)
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01:55<elhaz>but if i install that old etch cd, he die when is installing grub XD
01:55<chealer>sheldonh: only if the benefit/risk ratio is "high". for an important bug, maybe.
01:55<sheldonh>jm_: rubbish cards :(
01:56<sheldonh>chealer: ah, okay, so it's not a hard'n'fast rule. thanks
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01:57<the_ultimate_samurai>no version information available
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01:58<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what?
01:58<the_ultimate_samurai>when i ran it, thats what i got
01:58<elhaz>maybe is because that old etch cd is a netinst
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01:59<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: when you ran what?
01:59<hamr23>hey, is this the right place to ask for an app i'm looking for?
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01:59<chealer>hamr23: if you're using Debian, yes.
01:59<hamr23>yeah, i'm using debian...
01:59<the_ultimate_samurai>synaptic: /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available(required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)
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02:00<istoc>Hi, I'm having problems with my CD drive, if I dont want it to be mounted on boot can I just comment it out of fstab?
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02:00<the_ultimate_samurai>when i typed in "synaptic"
02:00<jm_>istoc: or better yet, add noauto flag
02:00<mjk>istoc: Append option "noauto" to /etc/fstab
02:00<hamr23>i want to install a mailing list server... are there any good alternatives to mailman?
02:00<mjk>istoc: Like so: /dev/sr0 /media/cd0 iso9660 defaults,noauto 0 0
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02:01<hamr23>i've heard about phplist... but i don't know if its good.
02:01<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: huh. run # apt-get update, then tell us if the output of $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.22-2-486|grep Inst; changed.
02:01<istoc>Ok, thanks!
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02:02<the_ultimate_samurai>nop
02:02<elhaz>ok, thanks for help :D
02:03<elhaz>please, forget my bad english :)
02:03<hamr23>anyone?
02:03<sheldonh>oops. i should have asked this first. is it okay to send new feedback on an archived bug?
02:04<dx>jm_ thanks for being patient, it now returns java, javaws, java_vm; does this mean im gravy and don't even need to create a symlink?
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02:06<blarson>sheldonh: Archived bugs do not accept mail.
02:07<sheldonh>blarson: ah, okay
02:07<blarson>sheldonh: If needed, they can be unarchived.
02:07<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what does $ apt-cache policy synaptic|grep Inst; output?
02:07<the_ultimate_samurai>nothing
02:07<gsimmons>hamr23: Try the demo <http://www.phplist.com/demo>.
02:07<jm_>dx: what symlink are you talking about?
02:08<the_ultimate_samurai>oh wait...
02:08<the_ultimate_samurai>unable to locate package synaptic
02:08<hamr23>i have tried it... that's why i'm asking for alternatives... i'm not very convinced by it.
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02:09<sheldonh>blarson: the bug was filed with patches against 2.6.18, but was applied and closed against 2.6.20. should i just open a new bug and refer to the archived one? (it's bug #411115)
02:09<hamr23>i was hoping to find something that runs as standalone server and not depend of php & mysql
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02:12<blarson>sheldonh: If it's not serious, grave, or critical it will not be fixed in stable. unstable doesn't have 2.6.18 anymore.
02:12<sheldonh>blarson: it's pretty serious. the sky2 ethernet driver has a bug in it that occasionally drops the NIC off the net and leaves it in a state that requires a reboot to correct :)
02:13<hamr23>i tested openemm and it works fine... but i'm not a fan of java... it uses too much recurses...
02:14<chealer>blarson: important bugs can also be fixed in stable.
02:14<sheldonh>hamr23: i really don't think you'll find a better alternative that's free and lightweight
02:14<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what happens if you run # apt-get install synaptic
02:14<blarson>sheldonh: That's an "important" bug.
02:15<dx>jm_ jm_ thanks for being patient, it now returns java, javaws, java_vm; does this mean im gravy and don't even need to create a symlink?
02:15<dx>jm jm_ thanks for being patient, it now returns java, javaws, java_vm; does this mean im gravy and don't even need to create a symlink?
02:15<hamr23>oh, ok... thanks sheldonh... so i guess i will have to use phplist after all ...
02:15<dx>so sorry
02:15<dx>ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun /usr/lib/java is the link, jm, that I was talking about, though my path is diff
02:15<the_ultimate_samurai>already the newest version
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02:16<jm_>dx: but why would you do that?
02:16<the_ultimate_samurai>i already installed it earlier...
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02:17<sheldonh>hamr23: if you think phplist is better, then i think so :)
02:17<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what does # apt-get check; output?
02:18<the_ultimate_samurai>just the reading packages, building dependancy tree, and reading state information that always outputs from apt-get
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02:19<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what does $ dpkg -l synaptic| tail -1; output?
02:21<sheldonh>chealer: so do you recommend that i create a new bug that references the archived one?
02:21<the_ultimate_samurai>ii synaptic 0.60+b1 graphical package manager
02:21<dx>jm_; has the way you install java changed in the past year? does lenny already come with jvm all set up
02:22<sheldonh>dx, jm_: isn't the symlink managed by update-alternatives?
02:23<chealer>sheldonh: no, rather unarchive it.
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02:23<sheldonh>chealer: okay
02:23<sheldonh>chealer: thanks for the guidance
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02:25<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: does # dpkg --configure -a; do anything?
02:26<the_ultimate_samurai>no
02:26<sheldonh>chealer: sorry, man, one more thing. shall i just add my motivation below the thankyou in the message to control@, or should i send it in a separate message to bugno@?
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02:27<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: are you sure that $ apt-cache policy synaptic; reports "unable to locate package synaptic"?
02:27<jm_>dx: sorry, I'm not familiar with Java in Lenny
02:27<jm_>sheldonh: I have no such symlink in Etch
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02:28<chealer>sheldonh: as you want. you can put it in the same message and Cc: ######@bugs.d.o
02:28<sheldonh>jm_: oh. i was confused
02:28<the_ultimate_samurai>...oops
02:28<the_ultimate_samurai>i typed synamptic...
02:28<dx>When you dist upgrade to Lenny, do you need to install java manually, anyone?
02:28<sheldonh>chealer: wow. so it's smart enough to handle the unarchive before the attempt to append feedback? cool!
02:29<the_ultimate_samurai>ok apt-cache policy synaptic|grep inst returns nothing
02:29<the_ultimate_samurai>but without the grep it does return something
02:29<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: with an uppercase "I"?
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02:30<the_ultimate_samurai>ah...k..."installed 0.60+b1"
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02:30<chealer>sheldonh: uh...heh. not so sure. I never unarchived a report, I'm too used to do that but you may be right. Anyway, it's not a big problem if your justification doesn't clearly show in the report, it will be recorded anyway.
02:31<Nill>#ceara
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02:31<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: OK. please provide your sources.list.
02:32<the_ultimate_samurai>thats a bit much to type out
02:32<sheldonh>chealer: i think i'll use a #... one-line comment to say "motivation to follow"
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02:33<chealer>sheldonh: oh, sorry, I thought your "motivation" was just "I want to add a comment" :) yeah, you'd need to comment later.
02:33<chealer>(unless the BTS is smart enough, as you say)
02:34<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: why not pasting it?
02:34<sheldonh>chealer: the debian bts has convinced me that it would pass a turing test :)
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02:35<simonrvn>the_ultimate_samurai: if you don't have w3m and gpm installed, or gpm doesn't work, you can always do /join #flood; then do /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list in a decent irc client
02:36<simonrvn>whoah, oftc allows 20 char nicks... *goes to check server flags*
02:36<the_ultimate_samurai>ok
02:36<the_ultimate_samurai>i did the later
02:37<chealer>sheldonh: hehe. it would be better if it was passed a spam reverse-test :)
02:37<the_ultimate_samurai>dpkg is yelling at me on #flood
02:37<simonrvn>NICKLEN=30
02:37<sheldonh>haha
02:37<simonrvn>oh crap
02:37<simonrvn>#flood is invite-only...
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02:38<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: why not pasting in a pastebin?
02:38<the_ultimate_samurai>http://paste.debian.net/39756
02:38<the_ultimate_samurai>just try that one
02:38<jm_>!pastewithoutx
02:38<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste
02:39<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai should have X
02:39<jm_>nope, that's what he's doing - trying to get X server started ;)
02:40<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai/jm_ : I thought the_ultimate_samurai was trying to use the nvidia driver?
02:40<the_ultimate_samurai>im trying to do both
02:40<the_ultimate_samurai>i need the nvidia driver to use xorg with svideo out
02:40<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: heh, you should really start by getting X to work.
02:41<the_ultimate_samurai>x works with nv
02:42<jm_>chealer: he is, but X server is fialing to start because it can't find module/driver nvidia (that's why i said he needs newer version)
02:42<the_ultimate_samurai>i need it to work with nvidia
02:42<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: so start X. it's no wonder why synaptic doesn't work if X isn't started.
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02:44<the_ultimate_samurai>how do i run it from x?
02:44<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: there should be a menu item.
02:45<the_ultimate_samurai>...k..now what?
02:46<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: you succeeded to start Synaptic?
02:46<the_ultimate_samurai>yes
02:46<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: which package does linux-image-2.6-486 depend on?
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02:48<dx>thanks for the help guys
02:49<dx>can i idle here?
02:49<the_ultimate_samurai>where do you find the dependancy
02:50<sheldonh>the kernel-package package's support for local patches looks hot
02:50<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: did you find the package linux-image-2.6-486 in synaptic?
02:50<the_ultimate_samurai>yes...
02:50<the_ultimate_samurai>well its 2.6.18-4-486
02:51<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what does # apt-get update; output?
02:51<the_ultimate_samurai>didnt you ask that earlier
02:52<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: I asked you to run it, but I didn't ask the output
02:53<the_ultimate_samurai>couldnt lock administrative dirrectory (/var/lib/dpkg/) is another process using it?
02:53<the_ultimate_samurai>other than that it just hits all my sources like usual
02:54<the_ultimate_samurai>the former just being that synaptic is using that dirrectory
02:54<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: yeah, what's the output when synaptic is closed?
02:54<chealer>dx: only if you pay your yearly subscription of 1 RUB
02:55<the_ultimate_samurai>just a moment, im going to switch to x-chat
02:55<the_ultimate_samurai>will make this easier...
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02:55<chealer>dx: you can pay in 4 payments
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02:56<sheldonh>does the linux-source-2.6.18 package include all of debian's patches? i'm confused by the description of the package and the description of the linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 package
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02:56<chealer>sheldonh: yes
02:56<sheldonh>cool
02:57<The_Ultimate_Samurai>http://paste.debian.net/39757
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02:59<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: would you mind cleaning up your sources and retrying?
02:59<The_Ultimate_Samurai>cleaning up?
02:59<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: what does "deb ftp://mirrors.geeks.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" provide you?
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03:01<The_Ultimate_Samurai>?
03:01<The_Ultimate_Samurai>what do you mean?
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03:02<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: what kind of package does it provide to your APT?
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03:02<The_Ultimate_Samurai>its been so long since i added it i dont remember
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03:04<Onepamopa>morning ;)
03:04<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: maybe comment that, comment the duplicate line then update and run # apt-get dist-upgrade
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03:07<The_Ultimate_Samurai>ok
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03:13<The_Ultimate_Samurai>now what?
03:14<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: what does $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-486; output?
03:15<The_Ultimate_Samurai>http://paste.debian.net/39758
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03:17<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: what CPU do you use?
03:18<The_Ultimate_Samurai>amd athalon xp
03:18<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: install linux-image-k7, then boot it
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03:22<The_Ultimate_Samurai>by boot it, you mean reboot and chose that one?
03:22<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: yes
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03:28<terra>is the debian irc-chanel for sweden debian.se?
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03:28<The_Ultimate_Samurai>ok...
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03:30<jm_>!se
03:30<dpkg>se is probably Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net).
03:30<chealer>!tell The_Ultimate_Samurai about ngd
03:30<vss>hi. I am having issues with Debian sid. fglrx has been broken for a while now: it conflicts with xserver-xorg-core. is there a workaround for this? it seems like today fglrx ver 8.40.xx was released for sid, but the problem is still there
03:30<chealer>!tell The_Ultimate_Samurai about tsm
03:31<terra>sry googled question obsolete
03:31<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: actually, you need to follow the second factoid (testing/sid mix) first.
03:31<terra>dpkg: thanks in anyway
03:31<dpkg>sure thing, terra
03:31<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: which GPU do you use?
03:31<terra>;)
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03:33<The_Ultimate_Samurai>nvidia geforce
03:33<The_Ultimate_Samurai>i forget the number...
03:33<terra>ja pratar inte svenska ;)
03:33<jm_>The_Ultimate_Samurai: run lspci
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03:34<The_Ultimate_Samurai>GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x
03:34<jm_>you'll need legacy driver
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03:36<The_Ultimate_Samurai>i did apt-get install on the legacy drivers...though now i have a new kernel image dont i...
03:37<The_Ultimate_Samurai>when it says change one set to sid...does that mean put sid in where it currently says testing?
03:37<The_Ultimate_Samurai>or do i put unstable
03:37<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: when you're ready for step 1, consider that you're using the legacy 71xx driver.
03:37<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: sid and unstable is the same thing
03:38<The_Ultimate_Samurai>but are they interchangable in the sources.list
03:38<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: yes
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03:39<The_Ultimate_Samurai>i asume i replace foo with the legacy drivers right?
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03:40<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: what do you mean by foo?
03:40<The_Ultimate_Samurai>"use # apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual"~dpkg
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03:41<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: oh...yes. but it won't be needed in this case.
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03:43<chealer>vss: it shouldn't conflict with xserver-xorg-core, just with xserver-xorg-core 1.4
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03:46<The_Ultimate_Samurai>ok, i got the legacy 71xx source and glx and such installed
03:46<The_Ultimate_Samurai>is it going to work now, or is there still more to do?
03:47<vss>chealer : hmm. is there a newer version of xserver-xorg-core than 1.4? aptitude shows only 2:1.4-3
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03:48<chealer>vss: no, but there's an older (in testing)
03:48<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: if you finished the howto, try it
03:48[~]The_Ultimate_Samurai goes to try
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03:49<vss>chealer: ok. who is being the bad guy this time? fglrx or xorg?
03:49<chealer>vss: fglrx's Debian maintainer, I guess
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03:52<vss>chealer : ok. thank you :)
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03:57<The_Ultimate_Samurai>http://paste.debian.net/39760 well its a different error this time
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03:58<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: what does # modprobe nvidia; output?
03:58<The_Ultimate_Samurai>module nvidia not found
03:58<The_Ultimate_Samurai>...thats new...
03:59<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: which method did you choose at step 1?
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04:01<The_Ultimate_Samurai>i guess step method 3...
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04:01<debed>hi
04:02<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: you're using a custom kernel?
04:02<The_Ultimate_Samurai>...ok...i didnt follow the instructions....i just used apt-get install on the legacy kernel...
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04:02<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: follow the instructions
04:03<The_Ultimate_Samurai>im trying....they are confusing...
04:03<chealer>they're not exact, but you should be able
04:03<The_Ultimate_Samurai>mx 400 is the 96xx...
04:03<The_Ultimate_Samurai>but you said to get the 71xx
04:03<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: it's both, but you should use 71xx for now
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04:04<The_Ultimate_Samurai>now module assistant doesnt seem to work for me..
04:06<The_Ultimate_Samurai>hmm...looks like its going now...
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04:07<Onepamopa>did someone knows how to decrease subtitles font in MPlayer ?
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04:09<The_Ultimate_Samurai>nvidia-glx: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) but 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 is to be installed
04:09<The_Ultimate_Samurai>what does that mean?
04:10<sheldonh>woohoo!
04:10<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: it means you're trying to install the wrong version. nvidia-glx is the current version, you should use the 71xx legacy version.
04:10<sheldonh>i have customer buy-in for migrating them from php-4 (turd) to php-5 (shart)
04:11<jm_>Onepamopa: sure
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04:14<Onepamopa>jm_: from where?
04:14<Onepamopa>I didnt find that funct..
04:14<Onepamopa>the subtitles font is HUGE ..
04:14<jm_>Onepamopa: you can specify it in config file
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04:14<Onepamopa>alright
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04:15<jm_>Onepamopa: http://tnx.nl/6695HFMX is what I use
04:15<The_Ultimate_Samurai>my xorg.conf doesnt have a module section
04:16<Onepamopa>Ill check it
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04:17<Onepamopa>jm_: it's the same
04:17<Onepamopa>subtitles are on half of my screen
04:17<grub>hi
04:17<Onepamopa>and it's 19" lcd...
04:17<Onepamopa>so..
04:17<Onepamopa>HUGE
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04:17<The_Ultimate_Samurai>also, my /etc/modules has nvidia 3 times
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04:18<jm_>Onepamopa: do you even have such font in ~/.mplayer/font dir?
04:18<grub>i am getting this error when i try to use ssh ssh: relocation error: ssh: symbol EVP_Cipher, version OPENSSL_0.9.8 not defined in file libcrypto.so.0.9.8 with link time reference. but it works when i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH what seems to be the error?
04:18<Onepamopa>w8 to check
04:18<jm_>grub: compare ldd output for both ways
04:19<grub>jm_, both ways?
04:19<jm_>grub: well with LD_LIBRARY path set and unset ...
04:19<grub>hm
04:19<jm_>LD_LIBRARY_PATH
04:19<Onepamopa>jm_: there's no /font dir there
04:19<jm_>Onepamopa: right
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04:20<Onepamopa>it's /usr/share/mplayer/font
04:21<Onepamopa>but there seems to have no fonts at all
04:23<jm_>!installit
04:23<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
04:23<jm_>they have font pack on the mplayer web page, I copied it to the afore mentioned dir
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04:25<ladoga>Onepamopa: put something like subfont-text-scale = 3 into your .mplayer/config
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04:27<ladoga>I don't have anything either in /usr/local/share/mplayer/font
04:27<ladoga>you only need to copy one ttf font to .mplayer/subfont.ttf
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04:29<grub>jm_, ldd shows http://rafb.net/p/jAkLFZ83.html
04:29<the_ultimate_samurai>error inserting nvidia(/lib/modules/2.6.22-2-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko) no such device
04:29<jm_>grub: no, on ssh
04:29<jm_>the_ultimate_samurai: read dmesg output
04:29<grub>oh
04:29<the_ultimate_samurai>and i followed instructions this time
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04:29<ladoga>just cp /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSans.ttf ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf
04:30<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: what does $ dpkg -l nvidia* output?
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04:30<ladoga>or whatever font you wish to use
04:30<jm_>ahh mplayer can use fontconfig, so one can simply say -font 'Bitstream Vera Sans' or whatever
04:30<ladoga>and set scale in config file
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04:31<nostalgia>Hello folks
04:31<ladoga>yes that works too
04:31<nostalgia>i need a small help how should i mount my USB drive i am not able to do so
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04:32<the_ultimate_samurai>chealer: a lot of things
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04:32<chealer>the_ultimate_samurai: I want to see
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04:32<the_ultimate_samurai>just a moment *has to start up x
04:32<nostalgia>chealer: can you help me out in mounting a USB drive i am not able to do so
04:33<chealer>nostalgia: please don't target someone
04:33<chealer>nostalgia: which X session type do you use?
04:33<nostalgia>chealer : ok sorry for it agian but i dont know which x session i am using how do i find out
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04:33<nostalgia>chealer : i am using a debian linus
04:34<chealer>nostalgia: do you use GNOME or KDE?
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04:34<nostalgia>chealer : i use gnome
04:34<ladoga>nostalgia: just give some details, what's your problem with it, problem mouting from CLI or are you using some desktop system and want to mount it using graphical tools
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04:34<chealer>nostalgia: no idea.
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04:35<nostalgia>ladoga: i am not able to mount my USB pen drive i did some changes in fstab and mtab and now i am not able to do so
04:35<The_Ultimate_Samurai>http://paste.debian.net/39763
04:35<danaketh[PG]>nostalgia: try pmount
04:35<petemc>nostalgia: you edited mtab?
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04:36<The_Ultimate_Samurai>^_^ a topic i understand a little...
04:36<nostalgia>danaketh: ok
04:37<The_Ultimate_Samurai>though i dont know what pmount is...
04:37<nostalgia>petemc: yeah i did edit mtab
04:37<The_Ultimate_Samurai>oh wow, thats much easier
04:37<petemc>nostalgia: you're not supposed to
04:38<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: there's too much cruft there for me. remove all your nvidia-kernel-* packages, then re-do step 1.
04:38<nostalgia>petemc: yeah i know but when i was trying to mount the usb it said it does not have an entry in mtab or fstab so i edited
04:38<sheldonh>squid ftw
04:39<danaketh[PG]>if i'm right, mtab and fstab are only for usage with drives when you want have mounted with startup
04:39<jm_>danaketh[PG]: not really
04:40<The_Ultimate_Samurai>apt-get remove?
04:40<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: use synaptic
04:40<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: (apt-get remove *could* do it too, yes)
04:40<danaketh[PG]>jm_: i'm still beginner so i maybe wrong in many things :)
04:41<The_Ultimate_Samurai>is synaptic better than kPackage?
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04:41<streuner>kpackage is great for newbies and those who run KDE
04:41<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: generally, yes (the problem is that synaptic is GTK+)
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04:42<streuner>dunno about synaptic
04:42<padski>it might be nice if there were a manual page for mtab
04:42<streuner>check out login
04:42<petemc>someone from the bbc said top gear is the most pirated tv show in the world
04:42<jm_>padski: mtab is written by mount, no need to edit it by hand
04:42<padski>!tell danaketh[PG] about mtab
04:42<grub>jm_, http://rafb.net/p/JYFhiE89.html without LDD_LIBRARY_PATH and with is http://rafb.net/p/e7UgW141.html
04:43<raViTa>heyyyyyyyyy
04:43<padski>jm_: I know what mtab is. I thinking about those who have yet to learn.
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04:44<bakero>hi there i?ve got a problem with a installation of alsa-drivers make doesn?t work correctly ... there is an error :( can someone help me ?
04:44<petemc>EWRONGCHANNEL
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04:44<installer>hi
04:44<danaketh[PG]>padski: thanks
04:44<installer>need help
04:45<installer>trabl boot:
04:45<installer>Allocated 8 Megs of memory at 0x4000000 for kernel
04:45<installer>Loaded kernel version 2.6.18
04:45<installer>Loading initial ramdisk (3878328 bytes at 0x3F802000 phys, 0x4000000 virt)...
04:45<installer>Illegal instruction
04:45|-|installer kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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04:45<installer>on sunblade2000
04:45<lupine_85>no pasting in channel
04:45<installer>boot:
04:45<installer>Allocated 8 Megs of memory at 0x4000000 for kernel
04:45<installer>Loaded kernel version 2.6.18
04:45<installer>Loading initial ramdisk (3878328 bytes at 0x3F802000 phys, 0x4000000 virt)...
04:45<installer>Illegal instruction
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04:45<lupine_85>really
04:45<danaketh[PG]>:)
04:46<sheldonh>can someone with linux-source-2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4 installed tell me what's on line 690 of drivers/net/sky2.c? it's a big download :)
04:46<installer>really, why not?
04:46<lupine_85>because it's a good way to really annoy 300 people
04:47<lupine_85>regardless, illegal instruction generally means just that - a nonsense opcode
04:47<lupine_85>not that I'm an expert on sun architectures or anything
04:47<jm_>padski: so why would there be a man page then?
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04:47<jm_>grub: hum it's exactly the same
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04:48<grub>jm_, yeah, its the same then how come it does work unless i set LDD_LIBRARY_PATH?
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04:49<installer>it's ULTRASPARC III+ CPU mem=1Gb
04:49<ladoga>looks like this nostalgia guy didn't know how to use irc
04:49<lupine_85>and you're using the sparc cdimage?
04:50<ladoga>i told him in the priv how to check his drive identifier and write fstab accordingly, but he just left
04:50<padski>jm_: I'm sure I have seen manual pages about stuff other than programs and configuration files :-)
04:50<installer>yes, cd-image debian-40r1-sparc-DVD-1.iso, kstati po-russki otvet bylo-by precrasno.... ;)
04:51<jm_>grub: is your libssl0.9.8 up to date?
04:51<lupine_85>I guess there's an outside chance that it's a corrupted cd. did you verify the md5sum?
04:52<jm_>padski: absolutely - very useful when stuff is intended to be edited etc.
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04:52<grub>jm_, yeah
04:53<padski>jm_: man 7 standards looks pretty informational to me
04:53<grub>jm_, Installed: 0.9.8e-9
04:53<grub> Candidate: 0.9.8e-9
04:53<installer>jigdo-lite ansve'd tmd5sum is OK
04:54<lupine_85>then I'd say it's bugreport time, except it seems ridiculous that such a monster bug wouldn't have been reported already, so I don't know
04:54<The_Ultimate_Samurai>trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.22-2-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko', which is also in package nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-2-k7
04:54<padski>jm_: and I'm sure standards shouldn't be edited ;-)
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04:54<copernic>jc
04:54<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: you need to remove all your nvidia-kernel-* packages first.
04:55<jm_>grub: is this testing?
04:55<The_Ultimate_Samurai>i did
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04:55<jm_>padski: well we could continue this argument forever, so there's little point
04:55<padski>there is some great stuff in man7. man 7 ascii, how often have I wanted that ?
04:55<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: is nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-2-k7 installed?
04:55<grub>jm_, yeah lenny
04:55<jm_>how about man iso-8859-fo? :)
04:55<jm_>foo
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04:56<jm_>grub: hmm not sure, maybe check BTS - there was one previous occurance of a similar problem when upgrading the package helped
04:56<The_Ultimate_Samurai>well more are installed now that i did the m-a autoinstall...
04:56<The_Ultimate_Samurai>but that is not one of them
04:56<grub>jm_, its not because of some mixed up libs?
04:57<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: remove them again, make sure that nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-2-k7 is not installed, then retry step 1
04:57<jm_>grub: well doesn't look like it, unless something (not packaged) has overwritten system libs
04:57<grub>hmm
04:58<jm_>grub: does it have a md5sum?
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04:59<sheldonh>um... how should my kernel-patches/all/2.6.18/apply/sky2 script expect make-kpkg to tell it where the kernel source directory is?
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05:00<The_Ultimate_Samurai>http://paste.debian.net/39764 even after marking everything nvidia in the synaptic for complete removal, it still shows all those things
05:00<padski>jm_: I take your point. having looked about man 8 mount is the best reference I can easily find as to the nature of mtab. apropos mtab does not return that though :-( is there a better way to do that search ?
05:00<grub>jm_, yeahj]
05:01<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: when executing which command?
05:01<jm_>grub: cd / && md5sum -c /var/lib/dpkg/info/libssl0.9.8.md5sums && cd -
05:01<The_Ultimate_Samurai>dpkg -l nvidia*
05:01<dpkg>No packages found matching nvidia*
05:01[~]The_Ultimate_Samurai looks at dpkg...
05:01<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: that's not the same thing as before, there are almost no "ii"-s now
05:02<grub>jm_, says ok
05:02<jm_>padski: I was thinking zgrep -r on /usr/share/man, but alas, zgrep doesn't know -r
05:02<The_Ultimate_Samurai>what are the RC's
05:02<jm_>grub: ok then that's definitely not the case
05:02<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: it means they're removed
05:02<The_Ultimate_Samurai>oh...ok then
05:03<grub>jm_, i wonder how it starts working when i put the path ?
05:03<The_Ultimate_Samurai>make sure... "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source" is correct...right?
05:03<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: it should be
05:03<jm_>grub: that's a big mystery to me and to be honest, it doesn't make much sense
05:03<grub>hmm
05:04<The_Ultimate_Samurai>because the sight says "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-source" without the -71xx- but the console said it needed the 71xx
05:04<jm_>m-a list will show you avaibale targets
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05:05<Ikarus>Urgh, when installing multiple fonts, could someone please come up with a way of regenerating fontcache only once
05:05<jm_>heh
05:05<The_Ultimate_Samurai>http://paste.debian.net/39765 few errors here, anything to be worried about?
05:06<The_Ultimate_Samurai>ok, this looks like it just failed...
05:06<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: no, just go to an existing directory
05:06<lupine_85> Package nvidia-kernel-common is not installed.
05:06<The_Ultimate_Samurai>http://paste.debian.net/39766
05:06<lupine_85>funny that it didn't install it automagically
05:07<padski>Ikarus: http://www.dpkg.org/Triggers
05:07<lupine_85>ah, there we go
05:07<lupine_85>it should all Just Work(tm) now
05:07<padski>Ikarus: except that link doesn't work :-(
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05:10<The_Ultimate_Samurai>inexplicable failure...
05:11<nostalgia>sorry folks go disconnected well i am not able to mount my USB pendrieve can anyone help me the error which is shown is as follows Error : mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
05:11<lupine_85>nostalgia: if it's not in fstab, then you need to specify device file, mount point (and probably fs)
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05:11<The_Ultimate_Samurai>http://paste.debian.net/39768
05:11<lupine_85>e.g. mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb -t vfat
05:12<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: not "m-a auto-install nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx", "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source"
05:13<nostalgia>lupine_85 i tried to do that but it says Error: mount: mount point /media/usb does not exist
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05:14<The_Ultimate_Samurai>i already did that stage
05:14<lupine_85>...
05:14<The_Ultimate_Samurai>then it said to go to the next one, which was "Install the NVIDIA user-space libraries"
05:14<lupine_85>did creating the mountpoint with mkdir occur to you?
05:15<nostalgia>lupine : well no i didnt not create usb point for mounting it should i do that
05:15<chealer>The_Ultimate_Samurai: you don't use m-a for step 2, you use a package manager, like apt-get or synaptic.
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05:16<nostalgia>lupine : well did that all but shows an error : Cannot create link /etc/mtab~
05:16<nostalgia>Perhaps there is a stale lock file?
05:18<The_Ultimate_Samurai>ok...
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05:27<The_Ultimate_Samurai>yes! its good to be back on my TV
05:27<kurumin>amiga nety
05:27<The_Ultimate_Samurai>after much hard work and difficult surgery, i have gotten back to where i started
05:27<The_Ultimate_Samurai>^_^
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05:28<The_Ultimate_Samurai>thank you everyone who helped me
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05:29<chealer>just 4 hours, no need to name them :)
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05:29<xzu>hi, can anyone tell my why www-data has /bin/sh?
05:29<xzu>and not /bin/false?
05:34<nostalgia>hello doesanybody know where i can get the nvdia graphics; sound card and network card for HP DV6000 AMD Turion 64 1.8 Ghz laptop
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05:36<chealer>nostalgia: uh...none of that works by default?
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05:41<valdyn>!nvidia drivers
05:41<dpkg>methinks nvidia drivers is ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for fast help, or go and read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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05:50<padski>xzu: why not ?
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06:12<fbonte>yo de mannen
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06:13<xzu>padski: i do not see why my webserver would need a shell
06:13<xzu>padski: other then for mayhem purposes?
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06:16<sep>what must one do to udev to make it create /dev/[Volumegroup]/[lv's] when you load dm_mod ?
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06:18<george>sep: I think you have to activate the volgroup]
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06:21<sep>george, thanks it worked
06:21<sep>:)
06:22<george>welcome
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06:27<sep>update-initramfs -k all -u don't list dm_mod, can that be a reason for my kernel failing to find root (on lvm) during boot? and how can i add it
06:28<padski>xzu: can't your webserver just execute a shell if it wants one ?
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06:36<axxum>hi all
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07:38<none>hi..
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07:39<none>somebody can help me? i 'been reinstalled debian, but i don't select desktop environment... so... after i type apt-get install kde
07:39<none>i type startx but it not works.. says /etc/x11/X does not exist...
07:40<lupine_85>kde can exist without an X server
07:40<lupine_85>so install xserver-xorg
07:40<padski>none: tasksel
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07:40<none>did you know any IRC client for console?
07:40<lupine_85>irssi
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07:40<none>ok thx..
07:40<none>i'll be right back :)
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07:41<redforce>Hi! my apache/2.2 mod_ssl doesn't work anymore after I installed the security update to libssl0.9.8
07:42<redforce>apache doesn't start up anymore. no log entries. if I disable mod_ssl apache works
07:42<padski>redforce: on etch ?
07:42<redforce>4.0
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07:42<redforce>do you have an idea what I can try
07:43<redforce>mod_ssl is essential for me and I thought a security update wouldn't break anything :/
07:43<padski>redforce: what errors does it log ?
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07:43<redforce>no errors, thats my problem
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07:43<redforce>it creates error.log but doesn't write anything into it
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07:43<redforce>syslogs don't contain errors too
07:43<lupine_85>it shouldn't, unless you're relying on a broken piece of behaviour
07:44<lupine_85>accidental ABI update?
07:44<redforce>ABI?
07:44<lupine_85>application binary interface
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07:44<lupine_85>it shouldn't change in stable, but there's always scope for accidents
07:44<redforce>i think libssl0.9.7 (the old) isn't binary compatible with libssl0.9.8
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07:45<redforce>but my apache2 is now depending on libssl0.9.8, at least it says so
07:45<jm_>try to strace it
07:46<jm_>or start it with option -F -X for example
07:46<xatiya>hi!
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07:46<xatiya>which port uses apt?
07:46<none>damn it! i cant...
07:46<lupine_85>ftp or http, usually
07:46<redforce>that's an idea, thanks
07:46<jm_>xatiya: apt uses FTP or HTTP
07:47<xatiya>thx
07:47<none>told me xserver-xorg is not available
07:47<xatiya>i'm idiot lol
07:47<redforce>but wtf - it now works although i didn't change anything ?!
07:47<jm_>haha
07:47<none>and i can't found irssi on the apt-get...
07:47<redforce>it seems to start up... *happy* ok thank you all ;)
07:48<none>somebody, can help me?
07:48<redforce>and now it doesn't work again...
07:48<none>i put apt-get install kde and i can't startx...
07:48<jm_>install x-window-system
07:48<none>is installed
07:48<none>x-window-system...
07:48<jm_>then find out why startx fails (x logfile)
07:48<none>apt-get installed it automatically
07:49<none>it told me... /etc/X11/X not exist file or directory
07:49<jm_>what does 'dpkg -s x-window-system' say?
07:49<none>wait...
07:49<jm_>waiting...
07:49<sheldonh>with make-kpg, how can i create a package with a different _name_ (not version), so that i can install it, uninstall the existing kernel, and not worry about the next dist-upgrade putting a new kernel in place that doesn't include my patches?
07:49<Fran242>Hola nicol
07:50<none>how to can i mount a ntfs disk?
07:50<none>i download the issirc but i have it on my windows partition
07:50<jm_>sheldonh: --append-to-version foo?
07:50<jm_>mount /dev/foo /mnt
07:50<none>thx
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07:50<sheldonh>jm_: really? terrible option name, then :)
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07:51<jm_>sheldonh: well at least man page says it is appended to the package name
07:51<sheldonh>jm_: i see some coverage in the kernel-package README. perhaps i just need to slow down and read carefully
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07:55<redforce>the problem seems to be "sslpassphrasedialog"... when I use this, apache2 doesn't start up in ~1 of 2 times
07:55<redforce>without it, it works every time
07:57<jm_>what should that do?
07:57<redforce>http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html#sslpassphrasedialog
07:57<jm_>ask for cert's passphrase?
07:57<redforce>it calls a program
07:57<redforce>which returns the cert's passphrase, exactly
07:58<redforce>this program is just a shell script with echo, in my case
07:58<jm_>what do you have it set to?
07:58<redforce>SSLPassPhraseDialog "|/hhg/security/protected/echo-passphrase"
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07:58<debed>Onepamopa, hi
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07:58<jm_>ok strace -f shall reveal what happens with it
07:58<sheldonh>jm_: looks like i want --append-to-version -5-686 --revision clue.1.0 (in other words, you're right :)
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07:59<Onepamopa>debed: I'm going for pizza & beer rightnow
07:59<Onepamopa>ok?
07:59<debed>ohh my goodness
07:59<Onepamopa>ill be bach in 30 mins
07:59<debed>so when i can i expect u
07:59<Onepamopa>back*
07:59<debed>okie
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08:00<redforce>SSLPassPhraseDialog "exec:/hhg/security/protected/echo-passphrase" seems to work too
08:01<redforce>but previously, the pipe variant worked (and mod_ssl docs say that it should)
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08:05<redforce>funny, with strace -f it always works
08:05<redforce>but without, it fails in about 50%.
08:06<redforce>i.e. i can't trace the error
08:06<jm_>!heisenbug
08:07<redforce>maybe a race condition?
08:07<redforce>i'll file a bug...
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08:07<redforce>maybe they have an idea. until this, exec: should do
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08:09<sheldonh>jm_: i'm trying to script generation of the custom kernel. since i'm copying in my own .config, do i really need to do the "make xconfig|config|menuconfig" dictated by the kernel-package README?
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08:10<none>hi
08:10<none>i can't mount the partition..
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08:10<none>and try too with mount /dev/hda3 -t ntfs /mnt
08:10<none>told me permission denied.. and i do it as root...
08:11<none>somebody...?
08:11<jm_>sheldonh: that depends; if there are unanswered questions, then I believe kernel's build system will invoke make config on them for you
08:11<sheldonh>jm_: ugh, sorry, answered later in the README. i have _got_ to slow down :)
08:11<jm_>sheldonh: otherwise you're OK not to do it
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08:12<none>jm_ i can't mount my ntfs partition...
08:12<none>mount /dev/hda3 -t ntfs /mnt
08:12<none>is it right?
08:13<jm_>none: you don't need to use -t, but yeah, looks OK if hda3 is where it is
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08:14<none>it don't works...
08:14<none>told me permission denied... :S
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08:15<jm_>permission denied as root?
08:15<none>yes
08:16<jm_>I am not sure I have ever seen that - is this Debian? anything like SELinux enabled?
08:16<none>yes it is... debian
08:16<jm_>none: can you at least read it?
08:16<none>i don't know what is SELinux.. sorry i'm nw...
08:17<Onepamopa>debed: re
08:17<debed>hai
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08:23<Onepamopa>re
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08:32<sheldonh>jm_: do you know what the 5 represents in linux-image-2.6.18-5-686?
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08:33<jm_>sheldonh: Debian revision AFAIK
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08:33<sheldonh>oooer
08:34<sheldonh>jm_: dang, i thought the debian revision was what appeared in Version when you aptitude show it
08:34<jm_>sheldonh: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
08:35<jm_>sheldonh: ahh you're right, this is different for kernel packages, ignore me, ask someone who knows the details ;)
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08:35<sheldonh>jm_: it's just computationally expensive to discover the answer by experimentation :)
08:35<jm_>I somehow thought it would match package version (can you tell I am not using Debian kernels?)
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08:37<redforce>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446763
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08:40<sheldonh>warning: pxd.len may be used uninitialized in this function <-- this is a compile warning you see in filesystem code you don't want to use :)
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08:43<bakero>hi there can someone help me to setup my xserver to a display resolution of 1280 x 768 (I got a ATI x1600 (512 MB GRAM) Mobility graphics adapter) the latest ATI driver is installed
08:43<bakero>in debian-x they redirected me to here
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08:52<yujin>which file should be modified to change the info of $PATH for root,please?
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08:54<kFj>iv updated to lenny. but how do i install nvidia drivers? can i just follow the debianway guide?
08:55<daniel_dk>kFj: i usually just download the binary package for nvidias hompage - it works quit well
08:55<kFj>ok. just run sudo sh Nvidiapackege?
08:55<daniel_dk>yeah
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08:56<kFj>ok. ill try that..
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08:56<kFj>also. is there a guide somewhere to setup compiz-fusion with lenny? i found one for sid but not for lenny?
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08:59<daniel_dk>kfJ: i haven't seen one.. Compiz-stuff relies on pretty bleeding edge stuff
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09:00<daniel_dk>since fglrx-driver is broken in unstable - do any of you guys know of workaround?
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09:08<yujin>is the gnome-terninal a interactive bash?
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09:13<Maulkin>yujin: gnome terminal is what's known as a 'virtual terminal'. By default in a Debian installation, it will indeed be running bash if you open it up by itself/
09:16<yujin>Maulkin, is bash been invoked as interactive shell by the virtual terminal in the default configuration,please?
09:17<Maulkin>yujin: yes
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09:23<yujin>Maulkin, the manual of bash said that as a interactive shell, it will excute /etc/profile first. i have set the $PATH for some application,but the bash said it could find the application unless i excute " . /etc/profile".
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09:30<brick>why am i getting package nvidia-kernle-source has no installation candidate when trying to install the nvidia driver the debian way on lenny?
09:30<brick>i have main contrib and non-free after the repo url in my sources.list
09:31<seanius>yujin: i don't think interactive == login
09:31<gsimmons>brick: Both nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source aren't currently available in testing. You'll need to backport these packages from sid.
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09:32<brick>uuhhh. ok. just add onther repo url but change lenny to sid ?
09:33<JasonS>brick: no
09:33<JasonS>!tell about simple sid backport
09:34<brick>hmm..
09:34<JasonS>hmm
09:34<JasonS>!tell brick about simple sid backport
09:34<JasonS>there thats better
09:36<yujin>seanius, i will learn about the difference of login shell and unlogin shell.thank you
09:36<brick>JasonS, hmm ok.. so i cant use the debian way then.. right?
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09:38<seanius>brick: i just did that with a friend last week, seemed to go without too many difficulties
09:38<seanius>the only problem is the version of nvidia-glx in sid i think depends on the xserver in sid
09:38<seanius>brick: so my friend ended up dist-upgrading half his system to sid
09:39<brick>hmm ok. then we go for a dist-upgrade then:P
09:39<JasonS>brick: to sid?
09:39<brick>jupp..
09:39<brick>if thats the way to make it work:
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09:40<JasonS>why not follow the directions on backports to get nvidia?
09:41<brick>but didnt seanius sayd that it was depending on sid xserver ?
09:42<seanius>don't take me as authoritative on this... i fyou want to be sure you could ask someone in #debian-x
09:42<JasonS>!nvidia
09:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
09:43<seanius>i know there was an ABI change between the lenny xorg and sid xorg, and thatn nvidia in all its proprietaryness will only work with one or the other
09:44<brick>hmm ok..
09:44<brick>JasonS, i am on that page right now..
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10:12<debed>hi
10:13<debed>can anyone help me how to update a system in a LAn from the system which is already updated...because to update each and evry system from the main system...its taking time
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10:14<fxiny>check apt-cacher
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10:15<fxiny>or apt-proxy , i use cacher
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10:39<treyh0>squid is good too since you can use it for more than repositories, plus you don't have to configure new sources.list files.
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10:44<treyh0>just change the default cache size of 100 MB ;)
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10:47<yujin>is there any .wav in debian 4.0 for me to test sound card?
10:47<cahoot>in /usr/share/sounds/alsa
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10:49<worms>anyone have a second to help out w/ a apt problem? particulary trying to get it to talk through a http proxy?
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10:58<yujin>cahoot, thank you very much
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11:10<bighornram>If I install IE in wine so that I can install that damn Quicken program will it open my system to all of the windows demons?
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11:34<brick>hi. i used the "guided use entire disk" option durring install and selected the "a partition for every ..." so that var and tmp etc has their own partitions, and now i get an error when installing stuff from apt-get that /opt has no space left(opt is in my / and there is 17mb left) how can i fix this?
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11:40<Cripps>does linux-image2.6.21-2-686 have smp support by default?
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11:49<cahoot>all 686 do AFAIK
11:49<cahoot>and highmem
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11:50<fxiny>"kernel: SMP motherboard not detected." pretty smart stuff :)
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12:03<honschu>Hi, is there a tool to search/index a smb-lan?
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12:06<qbit>honschu: smbclient
12:06<qbit>?
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12:11<hobophobe>Is it a bad idea to remove write access from /etc/resolv.conf ?
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12:14<fxiny>!fixresolvconf
12:14<dpkg>To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf.
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12:14<dkr>yeah, I was thinking that last factoid. seems to make more sense to tell dhcp to not modify it than leave it configured to modify it and mike it unwritable
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12:15<hobophobe>Ah, interesting.
12:16<hobophobe>I only use DHCP under rare circumstance my modem is acting like a moron.
12:16<hobophobe>Just to fix it, but when I do it changes my resolv.conf and I always forget and spend another 20-30 minutes trying to figure out why I'm not getting DNS
12:16<dkr>well, the chattr +i solution will work, even if it is root trying to modify it
12:18<hobophobe>that chattr +i, I never knew that. Thanks
12:19<george>what's the i attr?
12:19<dkr>anyone have an idea how to reset a user's password in jabberd2.0s11 on debian stable?
12:19<weasel>chattr +i is quite an ugly solution
12:19<hobophobe>it makes the file entirely immutable
12:19<dkr>george: it makes the file "immutable" :)
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12:19<weasel>why not tell your dhcp client to not touch your resolv.conf
12:19<fxiny>chattr ? the kiss od Count Drakula
12:19<usuario>ola
12:19<george>what is debian using for tex these days
12:19<weasel>texlive
12:20<usuario>loikabla en español coño
12:20<hobophobe>weasel, what other process needs to change it, though?
12:20<dkr>!es
12:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:20<usuario>k disesssssss
12:20<weasel>etch still has both, tetex and texlive
12:20<weasel>hobophobe: but chattr +i is almost always the wrong approach.
12:20<fxiny>i agree
12:20<weasel>instead of preventing X to change it, just tell X not to touch it
12:20<fxiny>is not elegant
12:20<george>weasel: do you remember why they switched? (Hey, aren't you one of the rel mgrs?)
12:20<fxiny>is like bruteforce
12:20<weasel>no, I'm not
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12:20<weasel>I don't know. is tetex still maintained these days?
12:21<hobophobe>I guess I'll read about dhclient.conf, but I'm not sure that's the client I use or not.
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12:21<george>oh, I don't know :) it's just required for xen debian/rules binary
12:21<weasel>what is? texlive?
12:21<george>well latex
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12:21<weasel>packages declare their build-dependencies you know
12:22<george>not sure if it cares the particular package
12:22<weasel>there's no need for you to figure it all out if you could just look into debian/control
12:22<weasel>also, you should get away with just using tetex instead if it wants texlive
12:22<george>well this is a backport, and looking at the page, some packages are missing
12:22<weasel>and the method to build a package is dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, not debian/rules binary
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12:22<george>not sure what choice I have than an incremental solution
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12:23<george>I don't actually want to sign the packages, just get them built
12:23<weasel>dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us
12:23<george>dpkg-buildpackage does more than I'm interested in :)
12:23<Risjh>Hi, my microphone doesnt work, whenever any app tries to use it, the app crashes and i have to force quit. http://rafb.net/p/FtdEmd18.html dmesg output . I use Gnome..
12:23<arguapacha>Hi!! How do I setup NTP? I thought that installing it was enough, but obviously now. Are there any pages I can read ?
12:24<george>does it actually install build deps itself? why are you saying I should use that?
12:24<weasel>it doesn't install them, but it checks them.
12:24<weasel>and because it's the right command to do the job
12:24<weasel>arguapacha: what makes you think installing is not sufficient?
12:25<george>arguapacha: try apt-get install ntp-simple ntpdate
12:25<weasel>no.
12:25<weasel>that was sarge.
12:25<george>oh
12:25<Risjh>ESD is enabled in gnome as well, its going to make a diffrence?
12:25<weasel>just install 'ntp' if you're on etch or later
12:26<george>does that obtain and run ntpdate?
12:26<weasel>don't do ntpdate.
12:26<hobophobe>From what I can tell there's no way to stop the dhcp from touching resolv.conf? Just touch it the way you want it to?
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12:26<arguapacha>weasel: every time I boot the PC, the time is wrong :(
12:26<weasel>arguapacha: how wrong is it?
12:27<arguapacha>badly... 5 hours or so
12:27<weasel>arguapacha: exactly <x> hours?
12:27<george>if so check your time zone
12:27<weasel>hobophobe: you can configure a list of things to ask for,
12:27<weasel>hobophobe: don't ask for domain and domain name servers
12:27<hobophobe>ah, ok thanks
12:27<weasel>hobophobe: is your clock still wrong?
12:28<arguapacha>george: how do I do that?
12:28<hobophobe>the collective wisdom was to have it write what it wants instead of doing that smarter approach
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12:28<weasel>erm
12:28<weasel>wrong nick
12:28<weasel>arguapacha: is your clock still wrong?
12:28<george>first tell us: is it EXACTLY x hours off?
12:28<weasel>(where x is an integer)
12:29<george>he's asking you that question for a reason, he wants to help, let him :)
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12:29<arguapacha>5 hours... and no, is not wrong now because I changed it manually
12:29<weasel>arguapacha: ok, what does "TZ=UTC date" say?
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12:29<george>well that's probably not helpful for getting your time right
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12:30<arguapacha>How do I check my TimeZone configuration?
12:30<weasel>answer my question please?
12:30<george>arguapacha: do you have the question?
12:30<istoc>Hi, quick question, where do USB thumbdrives auto-mount to by default?
12:30<weasel>istoc: /media
12:30<weasel>(quick and not totally correct answer)
12:30<istoc>lol
12:30<istoc>well, I don't see anything there
12:31<arguapacha>I answered: x = 5
12:31<weasel>arguapacha: no, you did not.
12:31<weasel>Mon 19:29:26 <weasel> arguapacha: ok, what does "TZ=UTC date" say?
12:31<istoc>Where should I check next or how could I find out more specifically?
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12:31<weasel>istoc: gnome?
12:31<istoc>nope
12:31<arguapacha>bash: TZ=UTC: command not found
12:31<istoc>using the terminal
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12:32<weasel>istoc: "nothing automounts them" is your answer then
12:32<istoc>oh
12:32<weasel>arguapacha: without the quotes?
12:32<weasel>arguapacha: just TZ=UTC date in a terminal
12:32<george>or date -u mabye
12:32<arguapacha>ahh ok
12:32<arguapacha>Mon Oct 15 18:31:54 UTC 2007
12:32<weasel>istoc: check dmesg for the device name (probably sda1 or sdb1 or similar), then pmount it wherever you want
12:32<brick>hi. i used the "guided use entire disk" option durring install and selected the "a partition for every ..." so that var and tmp etc has their own partitions, and now i get an error when installing stuff from apt-get that /opt has no space left(opt is in my / and there is 17mb left) how can i fix this?
12:33<weasel>that looks wrong.
12:33<istoc>Ok, thank you.
12:33<george>weasel: the minutes are close
12:33<weasel>george: the hour is not.
12:33<george>but that's probably because he set it manually
12:33<weasel>arguapacha: which timezone are you in?
12:33<arguapacha>GTM -5
12:33<weasel>arguapacha: and what does just 'date' print?
12:33<arguapacha>(no daylight saving crap)
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12:34<arguapacha>date shows: Mon Oct 15 13:33:37 COT 2007
12:34<george>saving crap in the daylight can be a smelly experience...
12:34<weasel>that's gmt-4
12:34<caleb>brick: ln -s or mount -o bind
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12:34<hobophobe>I'd pay someone to get rid of all DST... $1 a day for the rest of my life.
12:34<weasel>arguapacha: do you dualboot?
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12:35<george>like to windows or to macos
12:35<arguapacha>Not now... I mean... I have windows installed, mut has been almost a month since the last time I used it
12:35<istoc>For mounting is fat32 just "FAT32"?
12:35<weasel>ok
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12:35<weasel>istoc: vfat
12:35<arguapacha>but*
12:35<istoc>Ok, thanks
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12:35<george>so then the question is do you want the windows clock to be correct
12:35<weasel>arguapacha: restart ntp. /etc/init.d/ntp as root
12:36<weasel>arguapacha: after a bit your clock should change, and 'date -u' should print 17:36 or something like that.
12:36<weasel>arguapacha: then run tzconfig as root, and pick the correct timezone, if just 'date' is off.
12:36<weasel>arguapacha: also add a line to /etc/default/rcS that reads HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa"
12:37<weasel>good luck
12:37<weasel>(that's /etc/init.d/ntp restart up there)
12:37<brick>caleb as in ln -s /opt ?
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12:38<george>what's cool about texlive btw
12:38<arguapacha>\me is getting hands dirty :P brb
12:38<caleb>brick: link your other dicectories to your /opt
12:38<weasel>arguapacha: it's actively maintained upstream?
12:38<caleb>brick: or mount -o bind
12:38<weasel>erm, that was for george
12:38<george>ok, anything else :)
12:38<weasel>what do I know
12:38<george>cmon now, give me something to be excited about
12:39<weasel>no
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12:39<george>:P
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12:39<istoc>When I try "mount -t vfat sda /home" it says the device doesn't exist but when I typed dmesg it reffered to it as sda.
12:39<caleb>istoc: /dev/sda
12:39<weasel>istoc: /dev/sda1
12:39<weasel>istoc: and really, you don't wnat to mount it there
12:40<weasel>istoc: pick another mountpoint
12:40<istoc>Huh, it says it's the wrong FS type but I'm sure it's FAT32
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12:40<george>you -really- don't want to mount it there... you will wonder "hey, where are all my files?!"
12:40<istoc>lol
12:41<weasel>"gone"
12:41<weasel>that'd be easy
12:41<istoc>ok, so make a new dir?
12:41<weasel>yes
12:41<istoc>Ok
12:41<caleb>istoc: /media is a good choice
12:41<weasel>/mnt/foobar or /media/foobar
12:41<caleb>weasel++
12:41<george>yeah, that way you know nothing else is mounted there
12:41<george>btw, to everyone: do you have your /home as a separate partition?
12:41<weasel>yes.
12:42<JoeyAdams>No
12:42<george>reason I ask is you might consider doing it, think about the advantages and disadvantages
12:42<fxiny>backup
12:42<istoc>Oh sweet, it worked! Thanks a lot.
12:42<greenmang0>george: yeah
12:42<fxiny>system backup
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12:42<george>one is, say you have to reinstall... you'll have your /home separate and you can probably wipe anything else
12:43<JoeyAdams>ah
12:43<JoeyAdams>That's pretty clever
12:43<arguapacha>thanks... ntp and timezone now correct... I hope tomorrow will be ok again... bb
12:43<greenmang0>george: and previous setting will also be there
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12:44<JoeyAdams>The only problem is if a system upgrade reorganizes stuff (imagine KDE4 being introduced in an install, and KDE3 config files are still there, wasting space)
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12:44<greenmang0>george: what can be the disadvantage?
12:45<greenmang0>JoeyAdams: so we have to remove .kde manually in that case .. right?
12:45<george>greenmang0: note that you can choose to back up /etc into a tarball and then cherry pick the settings back
12:45<JoeyAdams>What if both KDE3 and KDE4 use the same folder?
12:45<JoeyAdams>What if you don't know what folders to remove?
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12:45<JoeyAdams>Oops
12:46<greenmang0>george: hmm
12:46<george>a disadvantage would be that you have to think more about your storage (as opposed to just "let's have just one 250g partition")
12:46<JoeyAdams>Anyway, then again, you can just rm -rf your home directory after backing up important files, just as you would do for a normal setup
12:46<JoeyAdams>Yes, you might run out of space.
12:47<greenmang0>george: LVM is better choice
12:47<JoeyAdams>Suppose you allocate 2GB for the system, and the rest for storage. Later on, you decide to install Tremulous, but you can't because it's too big.
12:48<JoeyAdams>What PowerPC architectures will Debian Etch PPC work on? Are they compatible with the PowerPC 601 present in my pre-G3 66MHz PowerMac?
12:48<george>greenmang0: perhaps
12:48<fxiny>2G is too small , a 250G home is too big (say fsck at boot) , LVM can be very handy
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12:49<george>fxiny: but a 250g / could be fairly common practice
12:49<greenmang0>fxiny: yeah
12:49<weasel>10 gig / is more than enough for a desktop systme
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12:49<george>(even if people say that's a bad thing)
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12:49<george>my xen userland built!
12:50<fxiny>greenmang0: i used multi partitioning scheme 7 even 9. now i do just / and home . / backup goes straight into home or in a seperate partition
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12:50<fxiny>ops
12:50<fxiny>george: ^^
12:51<george>fxiny: you'd need to do multipartitioning for servers tho
12:51<fxiny>in 2 minutes i can replace a backup . this way i can experiment at will :)
12:51<george>that is if you want the server to continue running for a long time :)
12:51<caleb>JoeyAdams:http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/powerpc/ch02s01.html.en
12:51<fxiny>george: of course servers are a different cake :)
12:51<george>yeah, that's all I'm saying
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12:52<fxiny>george: there are docs about multipartitioning : pro and cons
12:52<JoeyAdams>Thanks. If I read that correctly, Debian Etch packages are compiled to be compatible with the 601
12:53<fxiny>for a home box two partitons are the best way imho to enjoy debian testing stable and even sid without problems
12:53<george>fxiny: and one of those docs is the filesystem heirarchy standard
12:53<fxiny>george: :)
12:53<caleb>brick: It is right.
12:53<caleb>brick: You may want to copy everything in /opt to /home/opt first.
12:54<george>fxiny: sid? I'm not so sure about that, for sid, you're basically crazy if you try to do any real work
12:55<caleb>brick: and DO NOT USE ln -sf, or your /opt may gone forever...
12:55<brick>ok .
12:55<fxiny>george: back to woody time i had up to three sid sharing a home
12:56<george>now that's REALLY crazy :)
12:56<fxiny>george: and 32 partitions
12:56<fxiny>yes :)
12:56<fxiny>madness
12:56<george>at least you were giving yourself the chance that at least one of the 32 would survive :)
12:56<fxiny>now i use 8 in all
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12:57<caleb>I have used Sid everyday for 7+ years. :-P
12:58<fxiny>seen ?
12:58<caleb>and I know many other people do use Sid everyday.
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12:58<fxiny>caleb: you must have a survival recipe too :)
12:58<brick>caleb, that didnt help. still geting the same error.
12:58<george>caleb: so you're choosing to take a risk... no problem :)
12:58<caleb>brick: error message?
12:59<fxiny>what risk ? backup !
12:59<fxiny>and fun fun fun
12:59<george>well sure, I like the fun fun fun part
12:59<caleb>sometimes X crash, sometimes GTK2 ABI incompatable...
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13:00<george>well that's definitely not all that can happen
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13:00<brick>http://pastebin.org/4900
13:01<caleb>brick: So you have linked your /opt to your /home/opt?
13:01<Lounge>picasa still using wine to run?
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13:02<caleb>b
13:02<george>caleb: the helpers don't like that much, because it's hard enough to help people who have various styles of communication (to put it politely) without introducing something that can change completely (and I do mean completely :) on a daily basis
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13:02<brick>yeah. made dir /home/opt then copy opt content to new dir, then ln -s /home/opt /opt
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13:04<caleb>brick: maybe your /home is too small to install that?
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13:04<brick>no. 60gb free space..
13:04<caleb>brick: I have no idea about that
13:04<caleb>strange
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13:05<brick>must i delete the stuff from the original opt ? or keep them there?
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13:05<caleb>brick: keep them there is better
13:06<brick>hmm ok. what does mount -o bind do? moves the /opt from / to whereeveR?
13:07<caleb>brick: it binds different directories together
13:07<caleb>brick: just like mounting partitions
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13:07<Myon>duplicates that tree
13:07<Myon>iirc there's also --move
13:07<caleb>brick: and you can umount it lator
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13:10<brick>ok. so there is no way to permanently move the /opt ? say if i resize my home dir and create a free space off say 5gb. can i mount it to opt ?
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13:11<caleb>brick: ln -s is the better way to do that
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13:11<fxiny>brick: read fstab , you can duplicate and after that move any partition like it was a file
13:11<caleb>brick: too many mount -o bind will cause you hard to manage your system
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13:11<fxiny>it is a file
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13:12<Myon>I'd prefer symlinks over bind mounts if possible
13:12<caleb>brick: repartition is ok, but it is risky.
13:12<brick>caleb, ok. but the thiggy is, if i keep the stuff in my original opt, i still get the msg that no space left, if i remove it, the programs installed there wont start and new programs are installed there..
13:13<george>Myon: I think I would too, but there's a way symlinks can start looking like spaghetti
13:13<fxiny>brick: do you have free space ? mk a partition cp opt edit fstab and reboot
13:13<caleb>brick: I think that is because some log file makes that...
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13:14<george>but then I'm not seeing how bind mounts would be different
13:14<famaf>Hola
13:14<fxiny>brick: i believe your partiton size are wrong
13:14<brick>fxiny, i have lots off free space on my home.. i can resize it,,
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13:14<brick>fxiny, might be... i used the guided option durring install.
13:15<caleb>brick: maybe previous installation left a logfile, and made the new installation think there have no enough space...
13:16<brick>my / is 250mb /home is 55gb /tmp is 350mb /usr is 4.6gb and /var is 2.8
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13:16<brick>the way installer made it.
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13:16<fxiny>brick: next leave an empty partition at the end for LVM and/or backups
13:17<fxiny>var is too small
13:17<fxiny>for a multipartiton is too small
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13:18<brick>hmm craps-..well its the way the installer made it. if im to change it now, need to do reinstall?
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13:20<george>that's not bad for /var, depending on what you're doing with it (it is too small if you're running a news server)
13:20<brick>it seems that when im doing ln -s /home/opt /opt it creates a link inside opt to /home/opt but does not link /opt it self to /home/opt
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13:21<brick>its a desktop computer, used for photoshop/gimp, flash and NVU, thats about it.. maybe some gaiming using wine. ehe
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13:22<fxiny>brick: var is tricky : most of the time it wastes space then all of a sudden you need it . LVM can sort it out but you have to plan it in advance
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13:22<brick>ok..
13:23<george>one thing debian uses /var for is to store packages to be installed for upgrading or installing debian
13:23<george>but it seems to me you need ram more than you need disk space
13:23<sasha>(this is a before google search) hi on my debian i can never set my clock to the right time , and on boot there is a message "Unable to set the system clock to xxxxxx" any idea
13:23<brick>but how to fix this issue now? without to having reinstall the whole thiggy ? since ln -s only creates a link inside /opt that links to /home/opt .. does not link /opt itself to /home/opt. so when new stuff is beeing installed, its still is being put in the old /opt, that has no space.
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13:24<caleb>brick: rename your /opt and link the directory
13:25[~]george decides to try the new dom0
13:25<george>brb\
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13:25<brick>like rename /opt to /opt.old and do a ln -s /home/opt /opt ?
13:25<caleb>brick: yes
13:26<caleb>brick: It is very safe to do that
13:26<brick>it worked. now i can just move all the stuff from opt.old to /home/opt and it should work, right?
13:26<caleb>brick: yes
13:27<brick>wonderfull. thank you:P
13:27<caleb>brick: some important directories can not be moved so easy
13:29<brick>yeah,, i understand that..i have another 80gb hdd running xp, that only has hp installed untill i make it work in vmware or something, then its going to be formaet for linux, then i can make some partitions there for f ex /opt
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13:30<fabain>hi
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13:32<sasha> hi on my debian i can never set my clock to the right time , and on boot there is a message "Unable to set the system clock to xxxxxx" any idea
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13:38<plokko>Hi i have a probelm with my wifi card
13:39<plokko>i have a netgear w111(v2) with realtech 8081 chip
13:39<plokko>i found and install the correct drive pakage and it run but it don't see the card!
13:40<plokko>it's a 64bit compatibility problem?how to fix?
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13:40<plokko>i have also a sis163u card(better performance but less compatibility)
13:40<plokko>can anyone help me?????
13:40<plokko>i NEED IT!
13:42<Eulex>plokko, 64bit compatibility problem? try installing 32bit debian?
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13:42<plokko>...no i need 64 bit
13:42<Eulex>hmm, k
13:43<plokko>so?ndiswrapper don't work either
13:43<sasha> i have a netgear w111(v2) with realtech 8081 chip -> are you sure about the chipset cause for that card depending on the serial number and not the version number it can be another chipset , hermes ithink or something like this
13:43<plokko>yes
13:43<plokko>i checked the drivers
13:44<plokko>is 0064(if i remember well)
13:44<plokko>the card is also displayed as 8081 with lsusb
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13:44<sasha>try it on a 32 bit debian so ,
13:45<plokko>...i'm building a server
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13:45<plokko>i must run 64bit
13:45<Eulex>that's odd
13:45<Eulex>is your cpu 64-bit?
13:45<sasha>did you tried ndiswrapper with 64 bit diver
13:45<plokko>...and i'm not sure is the 64bit compatibility
13:46<plokko>it's core duo yes!
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13:47<sasha>does 'ip link show' display the card ?
13:47<plokko>mhh ndiswrapper 64 bit where i can find it?
13:47<plokko>iwconfig don't show it
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13:47<plokko>also iwlist wlan0 scan don't work
13:47<sasha>i mean the 64 bit windows driver
13:47<plokko>ah
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13:48<sasha>try 'ip link show'
13:48<plokko>mmh cool idea...
13:48<plokko>but i must find 64bit win drivers XD
13:48<plokko>vista drivers?
13:48<sasha>look on the site
13:49<plokko>...cd is empty
13:49<sasha>xp s always better , but i worked in all my experience with less than 5 card
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13:50<plokko>can you find the drivers for me?
13:50<plokko>this notebook sux!
13:50<plokko>1page every 5 minutes!
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13:56<HFT>ello
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13:58<dennis__>euhhh ? anybody actually here, or what ?
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13:58<plokko>..........
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13:59<dennis__>ahhh... i have a simpel quetion, i wich to boot debian in text mode and start x myself....how to do this (switching to runlevel 3 did not do it)
13:59<amphi>!tell dennis__ about nodm
13:59<dennis__>i am new to debian ya knwo and this worked for suse
13:59<stretchy>hello, can someone tell me how to cancel an apt-get install? Iam getting an Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
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13:59<dennis__>try ctrl-c.....lol
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14:00<Myon>stretchy: can you pastebin the full output?
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14:00<stretchy>sure:
14:00<stretchy>apt-get install
14:00<stretchy>Reading Package Lists... Done
14:00<stretchy>Building Dependency Tree... Done
14:00<stretchy>You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
14:00<stretchy>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
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14:01<dennis__>anybody have any any idea about booting in text mode ?
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14:01<paris>c.gr
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14:01<stretchy>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
14:01<stretchy> libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 is installed
14:01<Myon>stretchy: http://paste.debian.net/
14:01<stretchy>sorry if I reposted, my channel was disconnected
14:02<amphi>stretchy: looks like perhaps you have a half-completed dist-upgrade
14:02<stretchy>is there away to cancel this?
14:02<Myon>apt-get install -f
14:03<amphi>stretchy: do you have 'stable' in your sources.list?
14:03<amphi>stretchy: if you ist
14:03<Myon>maybe dpkg -r libc6-dev
14:03<stretchy>yes, I tried that, it comes back with this same thing
14:03<stretchy>yes, I have stable in the list
14:03<amphi>stretchy: try a dist-upgrade perhaps
14:04<stretchy>yep, tried that too
14:04<amphi>stretchy: it sounds like you have bits of etch in sarge
14:04<Myon>what does -f say?
14:04<dennis__>hello ? anybody ? booting in text mode.... i came before stretchy ya know....lol
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14:05<amphi>dennis__: did you read what the bot told you?
14:05<stretchy>-f tries to install, but then at the end dies at the same dependancy error
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14:05<dennis__>euh ? bot ? is that the seperate dpkg channel that came up ? i'll read it one moment
14:06<stretchy>Do you want to upgrade glibc now? [Y/n] (part of the -f) I select Y
14:06<dennis__>that removes everything graphical does it not ? i want to be able to use x when i type startx
14:06<Myon>stretchy: paste
14:06<stretchy>it is looking for a newer kernel 2.4.1 or later to install glibc
14:07<Myon>stretchy: http://paste.debian.net/
14:07[~]amphi sighs
14:07<stretchy>will do
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14:08<dennis__>sorry man, i am new to this.....as i ssaid it worked under suse so i'm wondering why it not supprted under debian...except that its a diffirent dist offcourse
14:08<stretchy>pasted
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14:08<Myon>click on "Send"
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14:09<george>so if I installed a debian base system with i386 but boot it with an amd64 kernel (at which point arch reports something like x86-64) and then I install debian c-compiled binary packages, will they be i386 or amd64?
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14:10<george>(there's no worries either way, it's a domU which I intend to blow away)
14:10<Myon>george: i386
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14:10<george>excellent
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14:10<stretchy>d'oh, I clicked the upload button
14:10<Myon>try the "linux32" command
14:10<george>ok
14:11<dennis__>hmmm, perhaps its not possible easely then.... but how do i install the login manager to alter the login screen then ? "apt-get install gdm-setup" did not do it
14:11<stretchy>sent
14:11<george>Myon: not found
14:11<dli_>dennis__, dpkg-reconfigure gdm
14:12<plokko>omh
14:12<george>I did check the cat binary with file, looked like 32 bit
14:12<Myon>stretchy: uname -r
14:12<plokko>64 bit drivers don't work either
14:12<stretchy>2.2.20-idepci
14:12<george>!find linux32
14:12<dpkg>Debian Search of 'linux32' (1): (/usr/bin/linux32) in utils/linux32,utils/util-linux.
14:12<plokko>i've done:
14:12<plokko>ndiswrapper -i driver.inf
14:13<Myon>stretchy: you need a 2.4 kernel
14:13<dennis__>dli: Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdm. nothing else happens...
14:13<plokko>ndiswrapper -l )show installed)
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14:13<Myon>stretchy: try apt-get remove libc6-dev
14:13<stretchy>ya, I was trying to do dist-upgrade, but it won't let me do anything because of these dependancy issues
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14:15<stretchy>more unmet dependancies
14:15<stretchy>after running the 'remove'
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14:16<stretchy>I posted the new errors from remove
14:17<JoeyAdams>When I'm configuring the kernel with make xconfig, what does it mean when an option is marked with a dot instead of a checkmark?
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14:19<Myon>stretchy: well you can try to install the sarge version of libc6-dev, ymmv
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14:19<Myon>or remove all dev stuff
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14:20<Myon>stretchy: for the future don't use "stable" in sources.list but put the codename there, currently "etch"
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14:20<Myon>(or "sarge" in your case)
14:21<stretchy>oh, good to know
14:21<koollman>well ..using 'stable' is fine too, if you are ready to update when it's released
14:21<Myon>*if*
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14:21<koollman>yes :)
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14:24<stretchy>I am going to try putting etch to see if I am force this
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14:26<stretchy>sorry sarge
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14:28<stretchy>that fixed it up, thanks
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14:46<kurumin>alguem ai sabe pq eu nao consigo entrar em uma conta yahoo messenger usando o gaim?????????
14:47<weasel>!br
14:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
14:48<dkr>I was just typing that, took me a moment to differentiate it from spanish :)
14:48<kurumin>why i cant join in yahoo messenger using gaim???
14:48<lupine_85>because you're doing it wrong?
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14:51<kurumin>what?
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14:57<kurumin>lupine_85: look this error: you have been logged off as you have logged in on a different machine
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14:57<lupine_85>it seems, um, fairly self-explanatory to me
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15:00<kurumin>lupine_85 I try to log in my user using ymessenger and says that error that the user speaking this wrong ... But in the windows I can use quiet
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15:05<kurumin>why?
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15:09<KLM>Evening all - a question about the latest kernel upgrade on 64bit platform hosing things.
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15:11<CL|Weggli_m>good night
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15:13<kurumin>..
15:13[~]KLM coughs politely
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15:14<JasonS>KLM: just ask your real question and be patient
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15:15<KLM>I kind of did Jason. I applied the upgrade and my system got hosed.
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15:15<Eulex>KLM, 'the latest' is not very specific.
15:16<Eulex>also, you'd need to define 'hosed'
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15:16<JasonS>define hoese
15:16<JasonS>doh
15:16<Eulex>and your real question is probably whether someone has a solution to this :)
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15:17[~]KLM smiles - thank you all. the latest refers to the latest Synaptic update available, hosed refers to Grub menu being updated incorrectly resulting in a failure to boot.
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15:18<KLM>No Eulex = my question os - how to file a proper bug report.
15:18<KLM>The solution I found for myself.
15:18<Eulex>ah
15:18<george>report-bug
15:18<Eulex>use reportbug
15:18<Eulex>...without a hyphen
15:18<Cordobes-LOMO_26>Hello World\n
15:18<JasonS>ahh the real question then
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15:20<KLM>(tries)
15:20<george>but also, "proper" includes descriptive language that tells exactly what the bug is, how to find it, and support for why you think it's a bug if you feel in any way it could be ambiguous, or if for whatever reason the maint disagrees
15:20<george>descriptive, concise, complete, understandable.
15:20<war>Anyone here notice with Xorg 7.2/7.3 when you double click in an xterm it selects URLs much faster than previous? For instance, a double click is normally select a word, but it seems so sensitive it now 'triple clicks'-- it selects the entire line instead of the URL?
15:20<Eulex>KLM, you need to have an mta set up to send e-mail to use it. or you can take the message it has created and send it manually when it fails if you do not.
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15:21<Eulex>!bts
15:21<dpkg>it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
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15:23<none>hi
15:23<KLM>"please insert the name of the package you have a problem with?"
15:23<none>i'm trying to mount a ntfs partition
15:23<Eulex>KLM, what was the problem? was it a hda/sda problem?
15:23<none>i mount it, but i can't write it.. how to can i mount the partition and copy files in the partition?
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15:24<Eulex>none, you need to use ntfs-3g to write to an ntfs partition.
15:24<none>Eulex how to can i use it?
15:24<none>sorry, i'm nw in linux :P
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15:24<Eulex>none, (1) install it (2) read the docs or find a random howto on the net
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15:24<george>KLM: are you certain this is a bug with implications that affect everyone using this package?
15:25<Eulex>none, also note that ntfs-3g is experimental.
15:25<KLM>Eulex -> menu.lst was overwritten with the wrong values, root was written as (hd0,1) when it should have been (hd0,0), root was /dev/hda2 when it should have been /dev/hda1
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15:25<george>if you're not, you might start a conversation with the maint before actually filing a bug
15:25<Eulex>KLM, and your menu.lst is setup correctly to have these default settings?
15:25<JoeyAdams>none> I don't think the NTFS driver supports creating or resizing files yet.
15:25<KLM>Before or after the upgrade?
15:25<Eulex>before
15:26<JoeyAdams>You can only write to existing files (without resizing them)
15:26<none>how to can i restore my apt?
15:26<Eulex>KLM, the kopt line(s)
15:26<none>it works bad...
15:26<Eulex>define 'works bad'
15:26<none>i touch the sources and i do bullshit...
15:26<KLM>Yes. A simple edit in the grub boot loader resolved the problem
15:26<Eulex>none, what did you do?
15:26<none>it don't read me all packages from the dvd...
15:26<JoeyAdams>You might simply need to do a `sudo apt-get update`
15:26<none>i delete a line...
15:26<george>KLM: what was the edit?
15:26<JoeyAdams>oh
15:26<none>not delete it.. only put a # first...
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15:27<none>but it don't work now...
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15:27<Eulex>KLM, the kopt line(s) will be applied as kernel options when grub-update is run (ie when you install, update or remove kernels)
15:27<JoeyAdams>That's an /etc/apt/sources.list issue
15:27<JasonS>none: paste it to pastebin.ca please
15:27<none>i have a image on my debian partition... and i need copy it on my ntfs partition
15:27<JoeyAdams>Are you on etch, none?
15:27<george>had you edited the menu.lst yourself before?
15:27<Eulex>JoeyAdams, undo whatever you did?
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15:28<Eulex>none, I've already told you what you need to do to be able to do that in debian.
15:28<KLM>@ Eulex kopt? that a new one to me
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15:28<none>no, i only touch the sources.list
15:28<george>KLM: had you edited the menu.lst yourself before?
15:28<JoeyAdams>Well, you can configure sources.list to not even use the CD/DVD and just use the online repository
15:28[~]KLM nods - yes
15:28<none>ok, i'll try
15:28<Eulex>none, also note that ntfs-3g is not in etch. you'd probably need to perform a simple sid backport or compile it from source.
15:28<Eulex>KLM, it's a commented line.
15:28<george>ok, so you might want to test with a plain vanilla install of grub
15:29<none>damn it..
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15:29<none>compile?
15:29<none>i can;t do that...
15:29<none>i just need reinstall my debian..
15:29<george>because already it seems that the observed problem is not located in the kernel
15:29<Eulex>none, there are no binaries.
15:29<none>but i have information on my root directory,, and i don;'t wanna lose it.. i only need copy it on my windows partition
15:29<Eulex>none, why do you need to reinstall? or rather, why do you think that you need to reinstall?
15:30<liable>copy it to cd and make life easy for all of us
15:30<none>Eulex can i give you an user on my debian?
15:30<liable>no
15:30<Eulex>none, no.
15:30<JasonS>none: thatws not really a good idea
15:30<liable>dont even think about doing that
15:30<Vakio>ntfs-3g is in backports.
15:30<none>an you help me? because i have internet on debian, but i don;'t have a irc client..
15:30<none>because my apt works bad!
15:30<KLM>Ok then - a question. Why did previous updates work ok and now don't? A;; joking aside I would have been stuffed if I didn't have another computer to resolve (and fix) the issue.
15:31<george>one, it's his box, and he can create this user if he wants... the offeree doesn't have to accept
15:31<Eulex>KLM, you do know that you can edit the kernel options at the grub menu before booting it, do you?
15:32<liable>george: so you think its fine to encourage people to offer accounts to random strangers on irc?
15:32<KLM>Yes Eulex I do
15:32<JasonS>george: theyre offering accounts to total strangers
15:32<KLM>The problem is - why should I?
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15:32<george>well there is that. but he does have that right
15:32<Eulex>KLM, also, not debian's fault if you manually changed kernel options directly without changing the default ones (# kopt lines)
15:32<JoeyAdams>none> Put this in your /etc/apt/sources.list: http://www.pastebin.ca/737890
15:32<JoeyAdams>Not the link, the contents at the link
15:32<liable>he left
15:33<JoeyAdams>(I'm guessing you're using debian etch)
15:33<JoeyAdams>oh
15:33[~]KLM nods and bows out
15:33<KLM>Thank you all - I won't bother filing a bug report on this one then.
15:33<Eulex>KLM, those default options are really convenient, new kernels will automatically get correct options when you install them.
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15:34<Eulex>KLM, it's also possible to define options that will be specific to 2.6 kernels, or 2.6.18 kernel etc...
15:34[~]KLM grits hos teeth and says f.a, Simply leaves
15:34<JoeyAdams>I have a simple kernel configuration question: When I use the Qt configuration tool (make xconfig) what does it mean when an option has a dot next to it rather than a check?
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15:35<artur>Hello All
15:35<george>what's f.a?
15:36<JasonS>george: fuck all
15:37<george>he should be thankful he didn't report that one
15:38<JasonS>:)
15:38<artur>a question here. Dell is selling Ubuntu-powered laptops now. If I wanted to buy a Dell laptop but want Debian on it, would the keyboard bindings work, or would I need to tweak them?
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15:38<liable>tweaking needed i would say
15:39<amphi>artur: but probably nothing very challenging
15:39<liable>but hopefully you could get the required info easily
15:39<streuner>liable: had vacation?
15:39<liable>streuner: in scootland at the moment :)
15:40<streuner>heh
15:40<streuner>howso?
15:40<liable>work initially, now a week at my leisure
15:40<liable>am banned on FN atm :(
15:40<artur>the reason i'm asking I have an asus laptop with debian on it. but since it's a windows-designed thing my key bindings don't work as expected. in fact, they don't work at all. just thought it would be neat to have a debian laptop with all the bindings working :)
15:40<streuner>Who banned you?
15:41<ifvoid>artur: I think you need some additional kernel modules for asus keys
15:42<JasonS>liable: they still mad at you? :)
15:42<streuner>liable: dondelelcaro unbanned you...
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15:43<artur>ifvoid: thanks for the heads-up. i'm not quite up there yet in terms of comfort tweaking around. it took me a while to get to the level i am at now, afraid fiddling with kernel modules might render my pc dead. or not?
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15:46<df1amb>Hi when trying to ping a vpnclient from an other client I get the error destnation host unreachable. how can I fix that?
15:46<df1amb>The firewall is open
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15:51<Administrator>msg nickserv kyleirwin kyleirwin
15:52<JasonS>Administrator: gee thanks
15:52<Administrator><-- n00000000000b.
15:52[~]liable logs in as Administrator
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15:53<ifvoid>artur: 22:46 [OFTC] artur (~artur@89.218.15.73) requested CTCP VERSION from ifvoid:
15:53<ifvoid>artur: ?
15:54<artur>can someone help me figure one thing about debian? when I was looking for a distro i found debian was considered the "most clean" of them all in terms of FOSS principles. however, i have to enable non-free and contrib in my etc/apt/sources.list - for multimedia, for instance. how does this play with the "cleanliness" of debian?
15:54<lupine_85>artur: if you don't want non-free software, then you don't enable the non-free repo
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15:54<ifvoid>if you don't enable it, your debian will be clean
15:54<lupine_85>that's, um, about it
15:54<SharkMa-san>for multimedia, it's better to use the unofficial multimedia repo though :P
15:54<ifvoid>non-free is not part of Debian, btw
15:55<kyleirwin>can anybody help me enable the mysql module in php5 on apache2?
15:55<artur>ifvoid: sorry re CTCP VERSION - this IRC thing is new to me I was playing with the right window, just right-clicked on your name. have no idea what that meant. sorry if that disturbed you
15:55<ifvoid>hehe
15:55<ifvoid>no prob
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15:56<artur>yeah but if i have a "completely free" distro it won't play multimedia eh?
15:57<kyleirwin>my phpinfo page has this... additional .ini files parsed /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/mysql.ini but mysql isn't installed as a module.
15:57<SharkMa-san>well, I think ogg and flac are included :P
15:57<witte>artur: it will, but only free multimedia
15:57<witte>artur: no mp3 and stuff
15:58<artur>ah, ok then. just read about this gnewsense.org thing somewhere, hence the question
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16:01<artur>ok thanks a lot everybody and have a good night/day. cheers
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16:08<neurocypher>hey guys
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16:12<alessandro>hi
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16:12<alessandro>can someone help me?
16:12<neurocypher>what's up?
16:13<alessandro>i want to H..k a msn password
16:13<neurocypher>wow!!! goodluck with that one
16:13<alessandro>but i don't know how i can do it
16:13<JasonS>alessandro: what does that have to do with debian?
16:13<alessandro>sorry?
16:14<alessandro>do you know how i can hack msn password?
16:14<JasonS>alessandro: well this is #debian so im confused as to what that has to do with hacking a msn password
16:14<Inty>alessandro probably wants a chan ban
16:14<alessandro>chan ban?
16:14[~]JasonS pokes RichiH
16:14<alessandro>i am a italian boy
16:15<alessandro>i am 17
16:15<streuner>go away
16:15<alessandro>i cam from ravenna-italy
16:15<streuner>we support Debian here...
16:15<alessandro>i know that
16:15<alessandro>i have kubuntu
16:15<neurocypher>why don't you find a hacker channel?
16:15<JasonS>alessandro: which has nothing to do with hacking
16:15<JasonS>alessandro: and you're in the wrong distro channel then
16:15<Inty>this is #debian, a place to discuss the operating system Debian, with other words hacking is NOT discussed here you annoying little man
16:15<alessandro>i dont' knw where is hacker channel
16:15<lupine_85>alessandro: I'll teach you, if you send me your credit card details
16:16<ranix>alessandro, if you really want to be elite you have to hack some heavy metal
16:16<lupine_85>also naked pictures
16:16<streuner>haha
16:16<lupine_85>of your mother
16:16<neurocypher>GOOGLE!!!!!
16:16<ranix>alessandro: like one of those Gibsons
16:16<lupine_85>(I need something to remember her by)
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16:16<ranix>mmmmmm, a Gibson would be seeeeeck-seeeee
16:16<Inty>hmm
16:16<JasonS>lupine_85: the clap wasn't enough of a memory?
16:16<Inty>nice onion
16:16<Inty>:D
16:16<ranix>I'd love to get my hands on one of those babies
16:16<lupine_85>JasonS: I always use protection with skanky ho's
16:16<JasonS>good man
16:16<lupine_85>bad grammar aside
16:16<alessandro>bye bye and thanks for you password.....its very easy to find
16:17<Inty>lol
16:17<ranix>eat dicks alessandro!
16:17<Inty>right
16:17<Inty>BED TIME kiddy
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16:17<Inty>hop hop to bed
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16:17<lupine_85>ZOMG I GOT HAX0RED
16:17<ranix>no srsly guys he has my ip
16:17<lupine_85>He has my IP!
16:17<alessandro>i have found your password
16:17<Inty>OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!
16:17<alessandro>thanks
16:17<JasonS>alessandro: proove it
16:17<alessandro>bye bye
16:17<ranix>on an underground haxxing site
16:17<Inty>Now the world is going to fall apart
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16:17<ranix>cure-x.com
16:17<Inty>:'(
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16:18<lupine_85>alessandro: I keep my passwords on the public internet
16:18<JasonS>alessandro: prove it even
16:18<lupine_85>www.2girls1cup.com
16:18<lupine_85>check it out
16:18<ranix>alessandro has exceeded >1000 responses in News for VIP
16:18<alessandro>you are a sheet
16:18<lupine_85>...
16:18[~]lupine_85 checks
16:18<neurocypher>you wish you were a hacker
16:18<Inty>oh brother, guys just ignore the kiddie
16:18<Inty>eventually he'll go away
16:18<streuner>yeah
16:18<lupine_85>actually, I'm filing an abuse report with his ISP
16:19<ranix>Inty: he's the most exciting thing to happen here all day
16:19<lupine_85>*shrug*
16:19<Inty>haha ranix
16:19<Inty>:p
16:19<alessandro>sorry but i have a lot of password to hack
16:19[~]streuner just writing to his ISP NOW...
16:19<alessandro>bye bye
16:19<Inty>later nerd
16:19<neurocypher>bye pissant
16:19<ranix>I've seen his name before though
16:19<ranix>I think he's here regularly
16:19<JasonS>alessandro: tell me my msn, icq, oftc password
16:19<alessandro>bye mother-bitch
16:19<JasonS>!ops alessandro is trolling and wanting to hack msn passwords
16:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jasons complains about: alessandro is trolling and wanting to hack msn passwords
16:19<ranix>JasonS: your password is 'password'
16:19<JasonS>ranix: damn it ranix
16:20<ranix>muhaha
16:20[~]weasel raises an eyebrow
16:20|-|mode/#debian [+o Myon] by ChanServ
16:20|-|alessandro kicked [#debian] Ganneff [alessandro]
16:20|-|mode/#debian [+b *!*alessandr@*.fastres.net] by Ganneff
16:20<Inty>than you
16:20<streuner>thanks Ganneff
16:20<Inty>anoter kiddie gone
16:20<Inty>another*
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16:20<Inty>\\o
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16:20<Inty>o//
16:20<JasonS>one beer for the @'s
16:20<Inty>\o/
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16:21<liable>Ganneff: does one have to email to oftc to obtain a cloak?
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16:21<@Ganneff>http://www.oftc.net/oftc/UserCloaks
16:21<liable>ya, thats what i thought
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16:22<Guest1832>can som one tell me what are the prices for LCD Touchscreens
16:22<lupine_85>depends
16:23<lupine_85>google knows
16:23<ranix>19 inch ELO Touch goes for ~$1800 US
16:23<ranix>15 inch $1400ish
16:23<Guest1832>thank you
16:23<ranix>I am on a 15 inch elo right now
16:23<Guest1832>did you ever use a 3d interface on it
16:24<ranix>I am currently using black duct tape to keep it horizontal
16:24<ranix>it long since lost its touch functionality
16:24<Guest1832>how
16:25<ranix>customer shipped it in a cardboard box without packaging
16:25<Inty>ram your fist iinto a couple of times, or your head if you prefer that will break it for sure
16:25<Inty>:p
16:25|-|mode/#debian [-b *!*alessandr@*.fastres.net] by Ganneff
16:25<ranix>it serves me well for now
16:25<ranix>I wouldn't have it if it wasn't broken
16:25<Guest1832>thank's
16:25<ranix>stop killing apostrophes
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16:25<ranix>that'd be more than enough thanks for me
16:26<Guest1832>ok
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16:26[~]lupine_85 can't cope with touchscreens
16:26<Guest1832>what about Vista Aero interface
16:26<Aero_>?
16:26<lupine_85>...
16:26<Aero_>-_-
16:26<ranix>looks like glass ass
16:27<qbit>ha
16:27<Aero_>i hate hls -_-
16:27<qbit>gl-ass
16:27<Guest1832>:)
16:27<ranix>it was fun to play Go on a touch screen
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16:28<Inty>Vista is probably the ugliest piece of shit that came out of a M$ brainfart
16:28<Guest1832>are touchscrn useful
16:28<ranix>!m$
16:28[~]dpkg holds up a cross in defense
16:29<Guest1832>what about SCSI
16:29<ranix>Guest1832: I have a treadmill
16:30<Guest1832>does any body use SCSI
16:30<ranix>yes
16:30<neurocypher>anyone else sick and tired of all your usenames being used by other people?
16:30<ranix>no
16:30<ranix>any other questions?
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16:30<Guest1832>are you satisfy
16:31<neurocypher>no
16:31<lupine_85>neurocypher: /msg nickserv ...
16:31<neurocypher>i was linuxdork
16:31<neurocypher>someone steals it
16:31<neurocypher>i was cypher
16:31<lupine_85>it's not stealing if it wasn't registered
16:31<neurocypher>that is used to much
16:32<neurocypher>not just in irc
16:32<neurocypher>i mean everywhere
16:32<Inty>sek-seeeeeeee
16:32<neurocypher>i want an original name
16:32<Guest1832>Can any one tell me more about Simertical Multi Processing
16:32<lupine_85>here you go: diopiodhhopropgjdjd
16:32<lupine_85>could be welsh
16:32<neurocypher>ahhaha
16:32<lupine_85>Guest1832: you run two or more threads/processes at the same time
16:32<lupine_85>that's, um, about it
16:33<Guest1832>But how?
16:33<ranix>man pthreads
16:33<lupine_85>by having more than one core
16:33<Guest1832>in what enviroment
16:33<ranix>Guest1832: man pthreads
16:33<lupine_85>?
16:33<Guest1832>SoftWare
16:33<lupine_85>on your motherboard
16:34<lupine_85>(normally, you can only run one thread/process at a time, regardless of how it appears at the application level)
16:34<Guest1832>What about SMP and Windows
16:35<lupine_85>what about it?
16:35<Guest1832>is tha possible
16:35<ranix>you want the MSDN library helpfiles for that
16:35<lupine_85>well, yes
16:35<lupine_85>if you pay extra
16:35<ranix>lupine_85: yhbt
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16:35<ranix>actually, I retract that
16:35<ranix>you just pulled a turnabout
16:35<lupine_85>:D
16:36<lupine_85>internet is serious business
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16:36<Guest1832>what sofware can use SMP (not operating systems)
16:37<lupine_85>any multi-threaded software
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16:37<ranix>man pthreads you dork
16:37<ranix>RTFM
16:37[~]lupine_85 passes copies of the kamasutra round
16:37<Guest1832>did you ever use SMP
16:37<Guest1832>and
16:37[~]Inty thanx lupine_85
16:37<Guest1832>what for
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16:38<lupine_85>machine at uni has 16 cores
16:38<lupine_85>so I used it for serious multithreaded number crunching
16:38<Guest1832>axa
16:39<Guest1832>tell me more about speed
16:39<ranix>glol
16:39<Inty>I FEEL the NEED for SPEED!!!!
16:39<Guest1832>is there any gain of speed
16:39<Guest1832>is SMP
16:39<lupine_85>depends on whether the software is written to take advantage of multiple threads or not
16:39<ranix>only if you use cflags
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16:39<Guest1832>(in)
16:40<ranix>when your cflags kick in, your dual cores are like VTEC
16:40<lupine_85>it's totally not automatic
16:40<Guest1832>CFLAGS=?
16:40<ranix>yes
16:40<lupine_85>-fomit-bugs -fVTEC
16:40<Guest1832>what are cflags
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16:40<Inty>omfg
16:40<Inty>Guest1832, RTFM
16:40<lupine_85>I love those two options
16:40<ranix>cflags are like NOS
16:40<ranix>for your computer
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16:40<Guest1832>what is NOS
16:41<ranix>remember the turbo button on 486es
16:41<ranix>kind of like that
16:41<Guest1832>yes
16:41<Guest1832>ok
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16:41<Guest1832>and...?
16:41[~]qbit wonders what ranix's garage looks like
16:41<Inty>ieuuuuwwww :|
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16:41<ranix>I have a lunar electricity extractor in my garage
16:42[~]lupine_85 has a torture chamber in his
16:42<ranix>it produces perpetual energy by drawing on the tidal currents
16:42<ranix>ignoring the laws of thermodynamics
16:42<lupine_85>it doesn't - it just makes the moon crash into the sun at some point
16:42<lupine_85>erm, earth
16:42<qbit>nice
16:42<ranix>CFLAGS ignore the laws of thermodynamics also
16:42<ranix>they do not apply
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16:43<ranix>the laws of thermodynamics are NOT APPLICABLE to CFLAGS
16:43<ranix>do you understand, Guest1832?
16:43<lupine_85>-froll-up-loops is also cool
16:43<Guest1832>YESSSSSSSSS
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16:43<ranix>can you feel the power
16:43<lupine_85>ranix: quantum information theory does apply, however
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16:43<ranix>quantum computers can give you the wrong answer *really quickly*
16:43<Guest1832>GREATTTTTTTTTT
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16:44[~]lupine_85 deactivates Guest1832's cruise control
16:44<Guest1832>how to avoide that?
16:44<Inty>better deactivate hist caps-lock
16:44<Inty>his*
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16:44<ranix>caps lock is cruise control for cool
16:45<lupine_85>rogue photons destroy quantum calculations. therefore, all quantum computers should be run in complete darkenss
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16:46<Guest1832>what is your bussines (job) dear RANIX?
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16:46<lupine_85>internet crusader? ;)
16:46<ranix>I am a professional INTERNET TROLL, Guest1832.
16:46<Guest1832>:)
16:46<Guest1832>like me...
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16:47<Guest1832>but what are you working?
16:47<lupine_85>he steals people's IPs and sells them for money on the black market
16:47<ranix>I am working my blackened claws deeper and deeper into the Tubes
16:47<lupine_85>there's a shortage of IPv4 addresses, you know
16:48<ranix>IPv4 is the way of tomorrow
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16:48<Guest1832>what about VRML
16:48<ranix>can I get spam in VRML?
16:48<Guest1832>does any body use VRML
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16:49<Guest1832>depends of your abilities
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16:50<antonio>hi can anyone help me, since updating ubuntu to the latest version I have no sound, I am still fairly new to linux so don't know lots of commands, but have checked prefs in sound and it can see my sound card
16:51<ranix>this is #debian
16:51<ranix>you're in the wrong channel
16:51<antonio>ok sorry
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16:51<Guest1832>ranix look at this: parallelgraphics.com : for VRML
16:51<ranix>sorry, too lazy
16:52<lupine_85>antonio: also, check the volume
16:52<lupine_85>Guest1832: VRML sucks
16:52<antonio>have done, is on max but no sound
16:52<Guest1832>fine... but if you like something new and axiting
16:53<lupine_85>oh, I love new and exciting. Hence why I only fap to 2girls1cup
16:53<SharkMa-san>lol
16:53<Guest1832>Lapine_85 Why?
16:54<lupine_85>well, it's new and exciting
16:54<Guest1832>why VRML is bad for you
16:54<Guest1832>and?
16:54<lupine_85>it causes heart disease and lung cancer
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16:54<ranix>lupine_85: EFG or Twinkie House?
16:55<lupine_85>I don't habeeb it
16:55<ranix>ok
16:55<Guest1832>why?
16:55<ranix>we have exchanged private keys
16:55<ranix>our conversation is now encrypted
16:55[~]lupine_85 feels he has extracted all potential fun out of this conversation anyway
16:56<SharkMa-san>and I have a cancer
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17:33<motalus-organixc>hey i'm using the nvidia binary driver and i need the development files or whatever will make glXGetProcAddressARB declaired, i cant find the right package, i know it has to do with my video card, trying to compile glc
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17:34<lupine_85>...
17:35<lupine_85>GL/glx.h:313:extern __GLXextFuncPtr glXGetProcAddressARB (const GLubyte *);
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17:37<lupine_85>nvidia-glx-dev: usr/include/GL/glx.h
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17:40<motalus-organixc>yeah, nvm, the coder forgot to include it
17:41<lupine_85>heh
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17:47<Nemoder>http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/etqw/ETQWFrontPage
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17:57<motalus-organixc>anyone here a beta tester for etqw?
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18:00<motalus-organixc>wier, i'm including GL/glx.h and it gives no errors in finding it gut i still get error: ‘glXGetProcAddressARB’ undeclared (first use in this function)
18:00<motalus-organixc>*wierd
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18:06<kevinl>random question, if you have a variable in bash that is set to a number, how might you round that number to the nearest multiple of 4 ?
18:07<dondelelcaro>using expr
18:07<motalus-organixc>that number - that number mod 4 or that number + that number mod 4 depending on weather the number mod 4 is above or below 4
18:08<kevinl>how is mod entered in expr
18:08<dondelelcaro>%
18:08<kevinl>i am already using expr in this line
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18:08<dondelelcaro>man expr for details
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18:09<kevinl>memsize=$(expr `free -om | grep Mem | awk '{print $2}'` - 304)
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18:22<stroyan>kevinl: You can do math with "let" as well. for ((i=0;i<15;i++));do let o=$i+2;let m=$o-$o%4; echo $i $m;done
18:22<stroyan>kevinl: But, is 2 closer to 0 or 4 ?
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18:25<SharkMa-san>it's the same as asking is the glass half full or half empty :P
18:26<kevinl>heh
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18:26<kevinl>memsize=$(expr `free -om | grep Mem | awk '{print $2}'` - 304)
18:26<kevinl>rmemsize=$(expr $memsize - `expr $memsize % 4`)
18:26<kevinl>i think this solution will work for me, hopefully
18:27<kevinl>i just need it to be a close multiple of 4. it doesnt need to be up or down. just close and multiple of 4.
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18:27<kevinl>its for dynamic allocating memory to virtual machines based on actual ram of the system.
18:27<kevinl>heh
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19:42<linuxwolf_573>to backup a debian system , entirely , i can use a live-cd knoppix , and copy all directories except /tmp and like to another partition , disc or dvd , and if i crash the system i only have to restore it , no?
19:42<linuxwolf_573>i have read about it , and i think is correct
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19:45<linuxwolf_573>if i copy all , i dont need to re-install , only restore and boot
19:46<linuxwolf_573>no
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20:20<Golf>hi there, upgraded to etch but graphics driver will not install as it wants gcc-4.0 but gcc4.1 is installed
20:20<Golf>gcc-4.1 is installed
20:20<dx>Golf; how do you know which gcc is installed?
20:21<Golf>well looking at the packages I can see it's gcc4.1 installed
20:21<Golf>and the install for the graphics driver says 4.1 will be used but it wants 4.0
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20:22<Golf>gcc-4.1 is installed, when I installed first time though it may have been 4.0
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20:33<tkooda>anyone know anything about `apt-ftparchive`? -I'm making my Packages{,.gz,bz2} & Release{,.gpg}, and have the signing key in my `apt-key list`, but I still get a "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" whenever I try to install a package from that source???
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20:51<george>so I want to tell you all that I got a xen-3.1 setup under etch... it seems to work well. the point of this is I'm hoping this can get to backports.org soonish
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20:58<yujin>how to check the version or type of the shell in using?
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21:21<dondelelcaro>yujin: the short answer is you shouldn't care; the long answer is it depends on the shell; checking $0 and then things like $BASH_VERSION is the general method
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21:23<dli_>yujin, I guess you care most: printenv|grep -i shell
21:23<yujin>dondelelcaro, what i care about is which shell is invoked by gnome-terminal and where the shell get its context.
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21:27<dondelelcaro>yujin: getent passwd $(id -u)|awk -F: '{print $7}'
21:27<dondelelcaro>(it's in the passwd file; use chsh if you want to change it or something)
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21:30<yujin>dondelelcaro, so there is no command like "ver" or "version" in bash?
21:31<dondelelcaro>yujin: no
21:31<dondelelcaro>yujin: in bash, $BASH_VERSION is set though, which is good enough
21:31<yujin>dondelelcaro, ok,thank you. i will do some tests.
21:31<dondelelcaro>but you really shouldn't care what version of bash is running
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21:33<george>well doesn't bash3 introduce incompatibilities?
21:34<yujin>dondelelcaro, i want to make sure which shell is invoked by the gnome-terminal so i can modify the $PATH of the shell to easy work. however, think you very much.
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21:35<george>I see you're expressing the opinion that for one thing the language of all bashes should have a common subset that never changes and I would agree
21:35<george>and when you use -only- that subset the code you write is portable
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21:38<george>the unfortunate thing is that gnu is sometimes driven by RMS's "strategies" aimed at his political goal... and if portability turned out to not serve his ends I wonder how quickly he would throw out portability
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21:40<dondelelcaro>in almost all cases, you might as well just write for POSIX
21:40<george>right... but isn't that sh?
21:40<dondelelcaro>it's not terribly hard, and the you don't have to worry about which shell you happen to be running on
21:40<dondelelcaro>no
21:41<dondelelcaro>well, not necessarily; on a Debian system /bin/sh is guaranteed to be a shell which at least understands posix
21:41<dondelelcaro>but it may not be that way everywhere
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21:46<george>dondelelcaro: but original bourne shell is not necessarily posix?
21:47<dondelelcaro>george: I don't remember
21:47<dondelelcaro>no one really uses that shell anymore, so it's kind of academic
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21:48<george>wouldn't that make it as dead as latin? :)
21:50<george>but presently and here and now, we have posix which is sorta like bourne but has a standard backing it
21:51<dondelelcaro>I'm not really sure what your point is
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21:51<dondelelcaro>there's a defined behavoir for posix shells. Writing to it means that your scripts will work on anything that behaves acording to the standard, which a great deal of things do
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21:52<george>that's probably another way of saying the same thing, I'm just trying to figure the difference between bourne and posix
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21:54<george>from what I understand bash will act like bourne shell if you rename it to, or link it from, sh
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21:57<dondelelcaro>that's incorrect
21:58<dondelelcaro>what it does do is enable the --posix mode, and reads slightly different files
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22:07<idnar>how do I set the default sound device in GNOME?
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22:08<Alam_Debian>System menu, Pref, Sound?
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22:08<idnar>looks like gstreamer-properties is what I wanted
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22:09<kerneld>Anyone having sun java probs in sid atm?
22:09<kerneld>Mine throws a GDK assertion violation
22:09<kerneld>GTK rather
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22:12<kerneld>(<unknown>:18883): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to add a widget with type GtkButton to a GtkComboBoxEntry (need an instance of GtkEntry or of a subclass)
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22:34<supinfo>hi
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22:34<none>hi
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22:34<none>somebody can help me with my kde?
22:35<none>i only have 4 resolutions, and i need 1680x1050
22:35<none>i'm using debian 4.0
22:35<supinfo>sorry i don't know also
22:35<supinfo>you can ask the internet
22:36<none>somebody know? :S
22:36<none>how to...?
22:36<supinfo>google?
22:36<none>i try...
22:36<supinfo>god bless you
22:37<none>:O
22:37<none>i'm fuck top...
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22:38<supinfo>.....
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22:39<supinfo>anyone here?
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22:39<kmil0>hi everyone
22:39<bgat>I have a filesystem on a 2GB CF card, that I'm trying to clone onto another 2GB CF card.
22:40<supinfo>ah
22:40<none>hi
22:40<bgat>I use mkfs to partition the new card identically to the old one, mount the new one, and then copy the old rootfs over to the new using tar. When I try to boot with the new card, the system hangs after init-bottom. Anyone have any idea what's going on?
22:41<kmil0>someon has the problem hat don't turn on the keybord led, (caps lock, block num, etc.. )
22:41<kmil0>in a sid box..
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22:43<none>how to can i configure the resolution of my x system?
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22:44<none>what is the command for re-configure my X11?
22:44<kmil0>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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22:47<bgat>does anyone know what the "proper" way is to clone a filesystem?
22:48<none>kmil0: how to can i specify that is AGP and not PCI? it says default:PCI:1:0:0 i put AGP:1:0:0 and it not allow me... it says incorrect format
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22:49<kmil0>look in xorg.conf
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22:59<elronxenu>Anybody know what the recommended way is to configure a bluetooth headset for audio use under debian? I found some docs online which talk about bt-sco but other docs indicate that sco is "obsolete".
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23:03<corea>what's the status of xen-3.1 backport for etch?
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23:10<caleb>corea: You may backport it.
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23:18<corea>caleb: but are packages available alllread?
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23:18<caleb>corea: ? Everything in Lenny can be backport to etch-backports.
23:19<caleb>corea: But do not backport packages only in Sid.
23:21<Ikarus>elronxenu: read the bluez documentation (wiki)
23:21<Ikarus>elronxenu: also is it a 2-way headset, or a A2DP device
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23:23<elronxenu>It's a nokia headset for a mobile phone. I bought a cheap USB BT adapter from Hong Kong on ebay ... the article description explicitly said "audio profile"
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23:26<none>hi... how can i from a user console mount a partition?
23:26<none>how can i from a user console log in as root?
23:26<elronxenu>"man su"
23:26<kmil0>man moun
23:26<kmil0>man mount
23:26<arrrgrrr>dude, you're homo
23:26<arrrgrrr>:P
23:27<kmil0>XD
23:27<MaDMaN>So...
23:27<elronxenu>ok, "info su"
23:28<none>:S
23:28<caleb>su --help
23:28<none>i cant...
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23:28<velixzeen>?
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23:31<roonie>hai
23:32<roonie>hai
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23:34<roonie>hai
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23:48<duke>hi all
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