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01:02<plokko>hi need help with LILO
01:02<plokko>...the config is right but it don't sho the menu
01:03<plokko>i see on boot: lilo x.y.z
01:03<plokko>and then loading linux.......................................................................................
01:03<plokko>(also it use a lot of time for bios cheks)
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01:03<plokko>anyone can help me?
01:04<networkgamer>ok,im trying to setup a mac osx like dock for kde with kooldock,and it requires glibc 2.4 or above,so how might i install that on a debian 4.0 with xfce4 machine with kde and kooldock already installed?
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01:10<jm_>networkgamer: in short, don't
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01:11<jm_>because libc6 is pretty base and you don't want to mess with it if you ask a question like that - use testing if you want a newer version or check on
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01:12<networkgamer>cause i want to setup a mac osx like dock
01:12<networkgamer>with kooldock
01:12<networkgamer>otherwise i need to find working links for ksmoothdock
01:13<networkgamer>cause the downloads link on the ksmoothdock homepage isnt working
01:13<networkgamer>for me anyway
01:13<Eulex>networkgamer, is it just a binary package that requires 2.4 or do you really need 2.4 when compiling from source?
01:13<networkgamer>i try to run kooldock and it says glibc 2.4 or above is missing
01:14<Eulex>thus you're trying to run a binary of kooldock that was compiled against 2.4.
01:14<Eulex>my advice is to get rid of that one, and compile it yourself.
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01:15<Eulex>how did you install it, btw?
01:16<plokko>hi need help with LILO
01:16<plokko>[08:02] <plokko> ...the config is right but it don't sho the menu
01:16<plokko>[08:03] <plokko> i see on boot: lilo x.y.z
01:16<plokko>[08:03] <plokko> and then loading linux.......................................................................................
01:16<plokko>[08:03] <plokko> (also it use a lot of time for bios cheks)
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01:16<plokko>plz help
01:16<networkgamer>i just downloaded the .deb and dpkg -i
01:16<jm_>then that deb is not for Etch
01:17<Eulex>networkgamer, I'd guess that you found a .deb that was meant for ubuntu then, or debian testing or unstable.
01:17<jm_>does it not depend on newer libc6?
01:17<plokko>help me,i must fix lilo!
01:18<Eulex>plokko, why are you running lilo in the first place?
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01:20<plokko>...because i need a multiboot with win vista
01:20<plokko>(it's a friend notebook)
01:21<plokko>should i use grub???
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01:22<plokko>plz help fast
01:22<networkgamer>it wont install
01:23<networkgamer>neither ./configure,autoconf,make or install works in the source file
01:23<Eulex>define 'doesn't work'
01:23<networkgamer>no files found
01:23<Eulex>and you probably need som -dev packages.
01:23<networkgamer>nothing to make and nothing to install
01:24<Eulex>that's because the ./configure failed.
01:24<Eulex>no makefiles without a successful ./configure, no files to install without a successful make.
01:24<plokko>...anyone can help either with grub?
01:24<plokko>i have the hdd as follow:
01:25<dpkg>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
01:25<alaya>pls don't msg the bot in the channel !tell or use /msg it floods the channel
01:25<plokko>i installed windows before
01:25<plokko>is preinstalled
01:26<sep>plokko, dosn't matter, that will install grub for you,
01:26<plokko>| ntfs(no s.o.) | ntfs - Win vista | swap | xfs - linux |
01:27<plokko>i should write (hd0,1) to boot vista
01:27<plokko>and hd0,3 for linux?
01:27<plokko>any problems with xfs?
01:29<sep>none as far as i know. (except the usual xfs issues) but then again i only use xfs if i store >10GB files on the partition and have a ups
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01:29<alaya>hd0,0 is part 1
01:30<plokko>...first ntfs sector is unused(i think is for acer things)
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01:30<alaya>apt-get install grub; update-grub; grub-install --recheck --no-floppy /dev/hda
01:31<plokko>grub already installed
01:31<alaya>then skip step 1
01:31<plokko>i must install in the mbr but i must be sure it work
01:31<Eulex>that's not relevant.
01:31<jm_>there were some issues with XFS and GRUB AFAIK
01:31<plokko>update-grub write me (hd0,0)for linux
01:32<alaya>man update-grub
01:32<jm_>but as long as you have GRUB 0.97 you shall be OK
01:32<alaya>here's a patch to fix grub-install script for xfs, if its still broke:
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01:33<plokko>...yes but see my partition table,how to boot the second and 4 partition?
01:33<alaya>okay we told you everything. run those steps.
01:34<Eulex>plokko, you configure grub correctly through the menu.lst?
01:34<plokko>...i'm asking for it...
01:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
01:34<alaya>man update-grub
01:34<plokko>(hd0,1) should be vista?
01:35<plokko>| ntfs(no s.o.) | ntfs - Win vista | swap | xfs - linux |
01:35<plokko>and hd0,3 linux right?
01:35<jm_>plokko: info grub -> Naming convention
01:35<plokko>...yes or not plz
01:35<plokko>i must be sure,i know how to do
01:36<Eulex>if you're not sure, you can always test while being at the grub prompt.
01:36<dpkg>it has been said that usbtouchscreen is some touch screen devices are supported by the 'usbtouchscreen' module. Support for the 'Gunze AHL61' was added in kernel 2.6.19, you'll need to upgrade your kernel if using Etch.
01:36<alaya>0,0 = part 1, 0,1 = part 2, etc.
01:36<Eulex>y'know, you can edit the kernel boot options while being at the grub prompt.
01:37<networkgamer>ok i found out kooldock was just based off of ksmoothdock so i installed ksmoothdock instead and removed cooldock
01:37<plokko>so for the xfs error
01:37<networkgamer>now i just need to know how to use it
01:37<plokko>i must paste the file in the grub conf?
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01:37<sep>plokko, do you have a good reason for using xfs instead of ext3 ?
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01:38<networkgamer>ok nvm i got it
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01:38<plokko>...XD i like it's name(not realy,for performance)
01:38<sep>plokko, and you would have avoided the issue compleatly if you used a ext3 /boot instead
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01:39<plokko>...if i use two partition one ext2 for /boot and xfs for /???
01:39<sep>plokko, forinstance
01:39<sep>plokko, personaly i would have used ext3 for / and xfs for /huge_files_in_here
01:39<Eulex>plokko, but why ext2?
01:40<plokko>ok ext3
01:40<sep>plokko, and i assume ext2 was a typo for ext3 :)
01:40<plokko>xfs is performant like reiserfs but it's more secure right?
01:42<sep>plokko, it's not wiping out your whole partition regularly no, but it does loose data if you dont have a ups that shutdown the pc on powerloss
01:42<sep>plokko, it's a very good reason why ext3 is the default :)
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01:42<plokko>...yes i must choose a filesystem for a big server
01:42<plokko>what i should use?
01:43<sep>ext3 unless you have spesific needs
01:43<plokko>i want reiserfs for performance but it's too dangerous
01:43<sep>allways ext3 unless you have spesific needs.
01:43<plokko>...something more powerfull?
01:44<sep>plokko, ext3 ! unless you have spesific needs, trust me
01:44<plokko>...mmhh want ext4
01:44<sep>besides there is not a single worthwile benchmark out there
01:44<plokko>...something in the net is present
01:44<sep>none of them have run the systems live for 2 years and looked the now the fs's degrade over time.
01:45<sep>altho i did read a piece about how reiserfs degraded as gracefully as a rock, but i'm not sure where it was
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01:46<plokko>...yep but i use for my home ^,^ reiser rocks!(i made backups)
01:47<simonrvn>reiser rocks alright, in water
01:47<simonrvn>*plop* *sink*
01:47<simonrvn>never to be seen again
01:47<plokko>so i must reinstall debian?
01:48<plokko>with ext3 now
01:49<Eulex>'must' is a strong word, it's possible to do without reinstalling, but neither straightforward nor easy.
01:49<plokko>'s for a my fried
01:49<plokko>it's noob and i cant let is pc freeeze
01:49<sep>plokko, you can do whatever you want, but if you choose xfs or reiser you should do it on a sane basis, and not becouse "i like the name and the benchmarks look good)
01:49<simonrvn>not really reinstall... what's the point of that? it's not borked
01:50<plokko>...reinstall is simple and i like it XD
01:50<sep>plokko, and usualy you can have / /usr /var /home on different fs
01:50<sep>if you have the need ofcourse
01:50<Eulex>I imagine you could resize the xfs partition, create an ext3 partition in the space created, copy over all files, remove the xfs partition and resize the new ext3 partition to include that freed space
01:50<sep>if you dont have a very spesific need use ext3
01:50<plokko>i have space for ext3
01:50<Eulex>never tried it, though.
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01:51<sep>plokko, for a server you should consider lvm
01:51<sep>well for any machine realy )
01:51<plokko> copy,resize.... i'll reinstall it's more simple and i can do something else
01:51<plokko>lvm for server?
01:51<plokko>i have raid5
01:52<Eulex>plokko, right, you cannot just 'convert' a file system.
01:52<sep>yes lvm on top of raid is sexi !!
01:52<sep>plokko, the idea is that you make each partition only the needed size. then you can grow the partitions while the server is running, where it's needed
01:53<sep>and if you need a spesific partition in a different fs, you just make a new logica volume
01:53<plokko>...but decrease performance(i don't remember what option decrease it)
01:53<sep>plokko, the performance degradation is not noticeable and the benefits are immense
01:53<Eulex>plokko, performance is that important to you?
01:54<plokko>...i'm an overclocking maniac performance is life
01:54<Eulex>unstableness too, in that case
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01:54<sep>plokko, remind me never to let you near any of my machines
01:55<plokko>...but with a big server with 200gb of sas driver(raid5)
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01:55<plokko>i should use 10gb ext3 for /
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01:55<plokko>and other(files for apache ecc)in xfs?
01:55<sep>plokko, my / is 500 MB :)
01:56<plokko> is dual quad core with 8gb of ram
01:56<plokko>a cluster of two of this manchines
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01:57<simonrvn>i wouldn't want him near mine either
01:57<simonrvn>nothing personal :)
01:57<sep>plokko, definitiftly learn about lvm,
01:58<plokko>...i don't like lvm,rename it XD
01:58[~]sep give up and goes doing paied work
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01:59<plokko>okok i'll try lvm but only 4 server
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02:06<Risjh>i am trying to play quake3, but i get so sound there, the log says cannot open /dev/dsp, i checked and i dont have any /dev/dsp how do i check which device is for sound, so that i can change the settings in the game to use that instead?
02:06<jm_>Risjh: you need to load OSS compatibility modules for ALSA
02:06<avu>Risjh: most likeley, you are using alsa and have to enable oss emulation, load snd-pcm-oss
02:07<avu>Risjh: (using modprobe as root)
02:07<avu>(sorry, I am too slow typing and thus redundant :))
02:07<Risjh>hmm, that should work?
02:08<avu>lading snd-pcm-oss should give you a /dev/dsp, yes. q3a still has sound-problems with some cards though.
02:09<Risjh>ok i got a /dev/dsp, but i get this error now /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
02:10[~]Risjh wonders
02:10<avu>your soundcard most likeley does not do harware mixing
02:10<avu>and the oss emulation layer does not play nicely with dmix :(
02:10<avu>other then that (you may have to disable other programs using the soundcard), helped me get q3a sound going smoothly
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02:11<Risjh>i had a client running, which i closed and tried again
02:11<Risjh>and get /dev/dsp: Input/output error
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02:11<avu>try the instructions on that site then
02:12<Risjh>ooh yeah i see now, thanks avu and jm_
02:12[~]Risjh reads
02:12<avu>echo "quake3.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
02:12<avu>is the critical part at least for me
02:13<Risjh>that helps?
02:13<avu>here it does
02:13<plokko>to use lvm in the installer i must first create an lvm volume and then,when the lvm is writed i can add the partitions?
02:13<Risjh>i read somewhere ( other forums) that doing that hangs the game
02:14<avu>there is an issue at level-start for some people
02:14<Risjh>avu, what if i want to undo it, i cant edit /proc can i?
02:14<avu>a fix is at the bottom
02:14<avu>quake3.x86 +set s_musicvolume -1
02:14<avu>Risjh: if you want to undo it, just echo > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
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02:15<Risjh>ok thanks avu
02:15[~]Risjh tries
02:17<gsimmons>plokko: That's right. After at least one partition is defined with lvm as the partition type, a "Configure logical volume manager" option should then appear in d-i. From there you can configure your physical volumes, volume groups and logical volumes.
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02:17<networkgamer>ok i got ksmoothdock installed
02:18<networkgamer>but whenever i start it it says it cannot connect to x display
02:18<networkgamer>so what can i do to fix that?
02:18<plokko>thanks gsimmons
02:19<plokko>i want change my wifi card
02:19<plokko>i found a gigabyte who is compatible with linux with madwifi
02:19<plokko>but madwifi works on 64bit debian????
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02:23<plokko>so is madwifi compatible with 64bit?????
02:23<Supaplex>I would think so
02:24<dpkg>well, madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>.
02:24<dpkg>madwifi-install is, like, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
02:25<networkgamer>how can i fix my ksmoothdesktop problem?
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02:26<Eulex>networkgamer, how are you starting it? an X driver needs to be started inside X. or rather, have the DISPLAY environment variable set (which is set for programs inside X)
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02:27<Risjh>avu, oops was disconnected, you said something meanwhile?
02:27<plokko>...and a 64bit driver for rtl8180 or sis163u????
02:27<networkgamer>im just starting ksmoothdesktop via command line
02:27<networkgamer>ill pastebin the error
02:27<Eulex>networkgamer, define 'command line'
02:27<Supaplex>plokko: are they in the stock kernel?
02:27<Eulex>networkgamer, you're not switching to a tty via ctrl-alt-f1, right?
02:28<plokko>???stock kernel???
02:28<avu>Risjh: no, I was waiting for you to say if it worked :)
02:28<plokko>i can't make my 2 wifi cards work!
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02:29<plokko>i think because the 64bit compatibility
02:29<Supaplex>!tell plokko -about hcl
02:29<networkgamer>just in kde
02:29<networkgamer>and i start a konsole
02:30<Risjh>avu, it worked \o/ do i have to do that everything i reboot?
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02:30<Eulex>networkgamer, why oh why are you trying to start it as root?
02:30<avu>Risjh: the proc-part. yes
02:30<Risjh>avu, oh :(
02:30<networkgamer>i was in root when installing it
02:30<plokko>so i can have drivers for wg111v2 or sis163u??? ndiswrapper don't work
02:30<Risjh>avu, so i need to make a script, right?
02:30<networkgamer>and am getting lazy
02:30<gsimmons>plokko: (re rtl8180) AFAICT, the rtl-wifi drivers compile on amd64 without issue.
02:30<plokko>can you link it?
02:30<gsimmons>!tell plokko -about rtl-wifi
02:31<plokko>i can't make it work
02:31<networkgamer>i just tried it as my username and it wont run it
02:31<Eulex>networkgamer, by default, debian does not allow X programs started as root to connect to your X server. for very good reasons.
02:31<avu>Risjh: jutjust put it into /etc/rc.local
02:31<Supaplex>!tell plokko -about don't work
02:31<networkgamer>well i cant start it unless im root
02:31<Eulex>networkgamer, but you get a different error this time, right?
02:31<plokko>....can you paste a link for this drivers?
02:31<Risjh>avu, okies
02:31<Eulex>networkgamer, I doubt that.
02:31<networkgamer>no,just command not found
02:31<Eulex>networkgamer, where did you install it?
02:32<networkgamer>i made install'ed it in /opt
02:32<Risjh>thanks avu :)
02:32<plokko>...if yu make my wifi work i'll migrate to debian!!!
02:32<Eulex>networkgamer, according to you prompt above, it should be somewhere in /opt, and then I'd just guess that your paths aren't set up correctly.
02:32<avu>you're welcome Risjh. maybe we can shoot at each other one of these days ;)
02:33<Risjh>avu, hehe sure ;)
02:33<Eulex>networkgamer, it might work if you just specify the full path to ksmoothdock
02:33<gsimmons>plokko: See dpkg's comment (re rtl-wifi) regarding your wg111v2 card.
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02:33<networkgamer>well i went in /opt
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02:33<networkgamer>and found a ksmoothdock folder
02:33<networkgamer>and went in there
02:33<Eulex>networkgamer, but might also not work if it also needs data out of /opt (as your paths aren't set up correctly)
02:33<networkgamer>and there was another thing called ksmoothdock that i cant open(not a folder) and cant execute.
02:34<Eulex>networkgamer, I'd recommend installing into /usr/local and not /opt. that way this would have worked out of the box.
02:34<Eulex>networkgamer, if it's an executable, you run it by typing ./filename
02:34<networkgamer>nvm its working now
02:34<Eulex>networkgamer, note the ./, it's very important
02:34<networkgamer>nvm its running now
02:35<plokko>can yu paste this comment?
02:35<plokko>i don't find anything usefull
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02:36<dpkg>somebody said rtl-wifi was the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. The main page is at, see for installation instructions.
02:36<plokko>omg i must download rtl-wifi?
02:36<gsimmons>plokko: ^^^^^^
02:36<networkgamer>now how can i stop kicker from loading so all i have is ksmoothdock
02:36<networkgamer>pkill kicker?
02:36<plokko>if it works i <3 u 4ever
02:37<Eulex>networkgamer, try asking in a kde-specific channel, but in a perfect world, killing kicker and saving your session when you log out will make ksmoothdock start automatically and prevent kicker from starting next time you log in.
02:37<plokko> should work...i hope
02:37<plokko>for the sis163u??can't work right?
02:37<networkgamer>what is <3 in irc btw?
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02:38<Eulex>networkgamer, it's a less-than character and a '3' character. but for what it usually means, tilt your head to the right. but that's not specific to irc.
02:39<Tumm>how can I check what's wrong with my rev-dns setup if queries for SOA returns my SOA but quriers for PTR returns NXDOMAIN?
02:39<networkgamer>alright just wondering
02:39<networkgamer>i didnt know if i guessed it right lol
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02:40<plokko>....<3 = love(hearth)
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02:41<simonrvn>hearth is either fireplace, or home
02:41<plokko>...debian 4.0r1 have rtl-wifi in the cd?(so i can use apt-get WITHOUT INTERNET)??
02:41<gsimmons>plokko: No.
02:42<plokko> i must download and run it...i need the subversion?
02:42<plokko>(or snapshot)
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02:43<gsimmons>plokko: That's right. Refer to the installation instructions on the rtl-wifi wiki.
02:43<gsimmons>plokko: I believe you're limited to ndiswrapper for sis163u chipsets, AFAIK. What card (ie. model/revision) do you have with this chipset?
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02:44<liang>where do you work for this time?
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02:49<plokko>...sis163u don't work with ndiswrapper
02:49<plokko>i should try winxp 64bit drivers...
02:50<plokko>how i download this: ????
02:50<plokko>it have a lot of subfolders
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02:51<plokko>i should download a snapshot right?
02:51<gsimmons>plokko: Please read the previously referenced instructions. The necessary commands are listed.
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02:52<plokko>ook i'll try(must reboot)
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03:19<plokko>i'm back T_T
03:19<plokko>rtl-driver don't work
03:19<plokko>modprobe report an error
03:19<plokko>unknow simbol -l
03:20<plokko>anyone can fix this problem?????
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03:24<ifvoid>plokko: you probably haven't compiled it properly
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03:25<lupine_85>unknown symbol means an unsatisfied runtime dependency, IIRC
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03:26<plokko>with make
03:27<plokko>...also my other notebook,i've reinstalled debian and now i can't mount cdrom!
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03:29<alaya>plokko: did you use module-assistant to build the module?
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03:29<plokko>...i've installed later,it's this the problem?
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03:30<plokko>...also i must fix the cdrom problem in the other machine
03:30<gsimmons>plokko: Try using rtl-wifi revision 57 or 52 from subversion. r65 doesn't appear to compile on i386 with 2.6.18-5.
03:30<plokko>i can't mount the cd but before(with xfs fs)the cdrom worked well!
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03:32<lupine_85>since when were CDROMs xfs?
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03:44<tuomopr>hi, .. i need help, please? How can i start a process from terminal to the background, .. so that the process would continue running after i close terminal which i started it with. "&" - doesnt work since closing terminal will kill background-processes also.
03:44<Eulex>command & disown
03:45<tuomopr>Eulex, you mean, just add strings "&" and "disown" after my runnable?
03:46<Eulex>I think it's bash-specific, though.
03:46<Eulex>remember trying it with zsh and it didn't work
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03:46<tuomopr>well, worked with xfce4-terminal. thanks Euler. One more question?,
03:47<jm_>zsh has that for years
03:47<tuomopr>if i log out with the account that i used to start this background process with. Will it still continue running?
03:47<tuomopr>i would like to start this process almost like a "service" in win32... thats my goal.
03:47<jm_>use screen / nohup
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03:47<tuomopr>screen / nohup?? ...hmm, ... never heard about these.
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03:48<seanius>dpkg: tell tuomopr about screen
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03:49<seanius>tuomopr: for example i have this irc session running under screen on a remote server, that i can connect to and disconnect from whenever i like
03:52<tuomopr>seanius, so screen is kind of a service itself, ... which can take other processes to its control?
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03:54<caleb>panthera: Hello! Did you get my mail 3 days ago?
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03:54<caleb>panthera: [SPONSORING]
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03:54<greenplastic>hello everyone, i am having some problems with audio recording
03:55<greenplastic>can someone please help me?
03:55<seanius>tuomopr: think of it like a terminal from which you can disconnect, and reconnect later
03:55<greenplastic>my sound card is 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
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03:56<seanius>greenplastic: you should state what your problem actually is (i.e. error message), as opposed to asking a meta-question
03:57<greenplastic>i cant record sound from line in
03:57<greenplastic>using audacity
03:57<tuomopr>ok, thanks to all. i need to entertain my sister-in-law now. Cu later.
03:57<greenplastic>but i configured my card and i can use ekiga
03:57<caleb>greenplastic: Did you check your mixer?
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03:58<greenplastic>yes i did
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03:58<greenplastic>when i am opening audacity it says host error
03:59<greenplastic>any ideas?
03:59<greenplastic>what can i do?
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04:00<greenplastic>i am musician and I'm using debian for couple of years, but now i bought this hp dv2000 notebook and i cant record sound
04:00<greenplastic>please help me
04:01<caleb>greenplastic: new installation? Are you in the audio group?
04:01<greenplastic>what's that?
04:01<caleb>greenplastic: Googling says that you may try gksu audacity
04:01<caleb>greenplastic: or sudo / su
04:02<greenplastic>doesnt work, the same error
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04:02<plokko>wg111v2 now turn on the led
04:02<greenplastic><caleb> anything else i can do?
04:02<plokko>but i can't make it work
04:02<plokko>i can't find the wlan0!
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04:05<plokko>can anyone help!
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04:08<greenplastic>hey anyone, i need help, kind people
04:09<Alternativende>what kind of help ?
04:09<plokko>...why i can't mount the cdrom drive?
04:10<Alternativende>... ?
04:10<plokko>in the previusly installed debian all works
04:10<plokko>now debian can't find cdrom
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04:10<greenplastic>i am having problems with audio recording with audacity
04:10<greenplastic>host error
04:10<plokko>..what can be?
04:11<plokko>plz i need it now!
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04:12<plokko>where the driver can be?
04:12<anouc>hi guys
04:13<plokko>can you fix my problem?
04:13<plokko>i can't find cdrom drive in a notebook
04:13<plokko>prev. installed debian worked well!
04:14<plokko>with ext3 it can't find cdrom
04:14<anouc>mhh, strange indeed
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04:14<indraveni>can some one help me in getting the drivers for Sony-W35 digital camera
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04:15<plokko>i'm bored of installing it's the 3 time
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04:15<plokko>damn acer!
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04:15<Alternativende>Who buys Acer at all ?
04:15<seanius>plokko: try a newer kernel maybe?
04:15<plokko>and damn friend who buy acer pcs
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04:15<Alternativende>oh that´s hard..
04:15<plokko>seanius: prev.debian worked
04:16[~]seanius shrugs
04:16<greenplastic>artsdsp audacity segmention fault. what can i do?
04:16<plokko>same version,same config with xfs
04:16<Alternativende>Are you able to listen music greenplastic ?
04:16<plokko>all worked well (exept nv drivers,i fixed with vesa)
04:16<greenplastic>yes i am
04:16<Alternativende>try to stop it for now
04:16<plokko>should i reinstall debian???(Y/N)
04:17<greenplastic>i even can speak and hear through ekiga
04:17<Eulex>plokko, as people already have said, this problem has _no_ _relation_ _whatsoever_ to the file system of your linux partition.
04:17<Alternativende>Turn it off
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04:17<Alternativende>and try again
04:17<greenplastic>Alternativende: turn what off?
04:18<caleb>greenplastic: Maybe your sound device can not support multitask
04:18<Eulex>plokko, also, the reason that you do not get any help is that you do not provide accurate info about your problem. 'xx does not work' is not accurate. what are you trying, what errors do you get etc?
04:18<Alternativende>xmms, Amarok I don´t know which what kind of software you are listening music
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04:19<plokko>eulex: the cdrom was working,i reinstalled with ext3 withouth changing config and now don't work!
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04:19<plokko>how i can find how it's named the cdrom drive?
04:19<Eulex>plokko, still, there's no relation.
04:19<greenplastic>Alternativende i closed all programs, using sound and it stil doesnt work
04:20<caleb>plokko: Did you try mount your cdrom in text mode?
04:20<jm_>plokko: grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
04:20<plokko>..i can't find a relation myself...
04:20<Alternativende>Same Errormessafe ?
04:20<Eulex>plokko, cd devices are /dev/hdc or /dev/scd0
04:20<plokko>mount don't find drive
04:20<caleb>plokko: see your /dev/cdrom
04:20<greenplastic>after recording it's only beep
04:20<Alternativende>mount /dev/cdrom /mntcdrom
04:20<Alternativende>and before that
04:20<Alternativende>mkdir /mnt/cdrom
04:20<Alternativende>as root
04:20<Alternativende>sorry /mnt/cdrom
04:20<caleb>greenplastic: What is your desktop environment? Gnome / KDE / others...
04:21<Alternativende>aahhh its beeping
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04:21<greenplastic>yes its beeping
04:21<caleb>greenplastic: Gnome have its own sound effect, I think.
04:21<greenplastic><caleb>so what can i do?
04:22<plokko>can't fin with mount
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04:22<caleb>greenplastic: Try kill everything related to sound and restart audacity
04:22<greenplastic>i did
04:22<Eulex>"<greenplastic> artsdsp audacity segmention fault. what can i do?" <-- why are you using arts?
04:22<plokko>mount /media/cdrom /dev/X
04:22<Eulex>plokko, man mount.
04:22<caleb>I think Gnome uses esd?
04:22<plokko>where i try as X all hd and all sd
04:22<Alternativende>Mount still won´t work ?
04:22<plokko>nothing dound
04:22<greenplastic>thats what it says in audacity's website
04:22<caleb>and arts is used by KDE?
04:22<Eulex>caleb, right, that's why I'm asking
04:22<plokko>yep don't work
04:23<Alternativende>mhh and you did what I told you ?
04:23<yujin>how to excute a bin file in bash,please?
04:23<plokko>fdisk -l /dev/sda
04:23<plokko>found only my drive
04:23<plokko>(HARD DRIVE)
04:23<caleb>I do not use Gnome and KDE for several
04:23<Alternativende>mkdir /mnt/cdrom && mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
04:23<Alternativende>on commandline
04:23<Alternativende>as root
04:23<Eulex>greenplastic, try just running audacity. and get rid of any esd or artsd
04:24<Alternativende>Eulex is right that´s the problem
04:24<Eulex>plokko, fdisk -l /dev/sda will only list partitions on your hard drive, yes
04:24<Eulex>greenplastic, I'd uninstall them, then make sure that they are not running anymore.
04:24<plokko>...yes,so the drive is seen as scsi
04:24<greenplastic>how can i get rid of esd or artsd
04:24<plokko>where is the problem???
04:24<Eulex>man apt-get
04:24<Eulex>man apt-cache
04:25<plokko>i don't found the drive!!!
04:25<greenplastic>okay, thank you
04:25<plokko>i still don't know why
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04:25<plokko>...bored of errors:reinstall debian!
04:26<Eulex>plokko, did you try what jm_ suggested?
04:26<plokko>acer+linux drive me crazy!
04:26<plokko>what jm_ suggestion?
04:26<Eulex>I'd suggest to scroll up to see his suggestion ;)
04:26<Alternativende>Stay stable plokko
04:26<Alternativende>greenplastic what about you now ?
04:26<Eulex>or actually read what people say and answer them.
04:27<greenplastic>i cant uninstall them
04:27<greenplastic>i dunno how
04:28<Alternativende>Where do you get the program ?
04:28<Eulex>define 'can't'
04:28<Alternativende>Debian package ?
04:28<Eulex>as in "I'm doing this and that but I get this error and I don't know what to do about it" or "I don't know how to uninstall a package"
04:29<plokko>what should do grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable????
04:29<Eulex>greenplastic, tip: 'apt-get remove foo' removes package foo
04:29<Eulex>plokko, it lists removeable devices.
04:29<plokko>it list nothing!!!!!!!
04:30<greenplastic>i dont understood which package exactly, ecasound?
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04:30<plokko>wtf is?
04:31<plokko>i think a reinstalling is needed
04:31<Alternativende>You don´t have to reinstall Debian
04:31<Alternativende>You can try it of course
04:32<Alternativende>but Im not sure that it will gelp
04:32<plokko> if i reinstall it i don't loose time(because before is working!)
04:32<plokko> fix my pc problem
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04:32<greenplastic>i cant remove esound package, because it will remove gnome-desktop-environment
04:32<plokko>i have installed rtl-wifi
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04:33<plokko>my wifi card netgear wg111v2 now turn on
04:33<plokko>but i can't see wlan0 and can't access wifi!
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04:33<greenplastic>any idea?
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04:38<greenplastic>what can i do?
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04:39<Alternativende>The problem ist greenplastic
04:39<Alternativende>Some of your applications are "blocking" the sound device
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04:41<greenplastic>nothing blokes sound
04:41<Alternativende>you are sure ?
04:41<Alternativende>im installing audacity
04:41<Alternativende>wait please
04:42<greenplastic>do you have the same notebook?
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04:43<greenplastic>maybe i just need to buy a new sound card?
04:43<Alternativende>i have the same error
04:43<greenplastic>any advices?
04:43<Alternativende>allready restarted ?
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04:44<caleb>Mmmm...audacity depends on esd
04:45<caleb>so it is impossible to remove esd and keep using audacity...
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04:45<indraveni>i installed latest gphoto2 and mydigital camera is detected but no file transfer is going on
04:46<Alternativende>please greenplastic
04:46<Alternativende>add me 147770532 ICQ
04:46<indraveni>in gtkam i am slecting the model number and click on Ok or apply shows error, saying , No camre initilized
04:46<Alternativende>I have to go now but I allready had this problem and I know how to solve it
04:46<Alternativende>bute not now....
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04:46<indraveni>what must be the problem
04:47<Alternativende>I will help you ok ?
04:47<Eulex>greenplastic, gnome-desktop-environment is a metapackage.
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04:48<greenplastic><Eulex> so
04:48<dpkg>i guess metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers
04:48<Eulex>removing a metapackage won't damage your system.
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04:51<greenplastic>stil not working:(
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04:53<greenplastic>its not working
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05:10<plokko>...T_T same error
05:10<plokko>new installed debian and don't read the cdrom
05:10<plokko>it can't find the device!!!
05:10<plokko>wtf can be?
05:10<plokko>grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
05:10<plokko>report nothing
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05:12<jm_>are you sure it works?
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05:17<valdyn>plokko: on which controller is that cdrom ?
05:18<plokko>'s on a notebook
05:18<valdyn>plokko: so what, notebooks have controllers too
05:18<plokko>in prev.installed debian(same machine but with xfs)all worked well
05:18<plokko>i don't know is an acer!
05:19<valdyn>plokko: 'lspci'
05:19<valdyn>plokko: and your kernel? ( 'uname -r' )
05:19<plokko>kernel is 2.6.18
05:20<plokko>but with xfs fs it works!
05:20<plokko>and with ext3 not!
05:21<plokko>who can be????
05:21<valdyn>plokko: that filesystem is totally irrelevant
05:21<plokko>it's the only think changed!
05:21<valdyn>plokko: nonsense
05:21<plokko>'s because it's a nosense error i can't fix it
05:21<valdyn>plokko: computers aren't magic you know, things have cause and effect
05:22<plokko>yep o know
05:22<jm_>do you at least know which device it had when it worked?
05:22<jm_>device name
05:22<plokko>...don't remember
05:22<valdyn>plokko: is that cdrom detected in your bios?
05:22<plokko>and start installation
05:22<valdyn>plokko: and / or blinking on startup?
05:22<plokko>and run when insered
05:23<valdyn>plokko: lsmod | grep sr_mod
05:23<plokko>but debian can't see it
05:23<valdyn>plokko: and paste the 'lspci' output on a paste site
05:23<plokko>lsmod|grep reply nothing
05:24<valdyn>plokko: 'lsmod | grep sg'
05:25<plokko>you want pci bridge?
05:25<valdyn>plokko: i want to see the whole output on a paste site
05:25<plokko>can't do it
05:25<plokko>it's on another pc
05:26<valdyn>plokko: pata or sata cdrom?
05:26<plokko>it's a nvidia chipset
05:26<plokko>unknow device 0561
05:26<plokko>ide device is 0550
05:26<valdyn>plokko: ok so there's an ide controller anyway i guess
05:26<valdyn>plokko: you could run 'update-pciids'
05:27<plokko>download failed
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05:27<valdyn>plokko: right, no network..
05:27<plokko>...yes asd
05:27<valdyn>plokko: dpkg -l udev | tail -1
05:28<jm_>0550 could be MCP67 AHCI Controller if it's nvidia
05:28<plokko>ii udev 0.105-4 /dev/ and hotplug managemente daemon
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05:29<jm_>560 and 562 are listed, 561 isn't
05:29<valdyn>i suspect he has 2 controllers anyway
05:29<jm_>probably yes
05:29<valdyn>at least a pata interface
05:29<valdyn>plokko: give lspci -n output for your ide controller
05:30<Risjh>hi when i try modprobe -r snd-pcm-oss i get an error saying the module is in use, how do i find out what is using it, so that i can kill it?
05:30<valdyn>plokko: so i can look it up myself at
05:30<plokko>it's a long hex report
05:30<valdyn>Risjh: fuser /dev/dsp for instance
05:31<valdyn>plokko: yea, i know
05:31<valdyn>plokko: 00:00.0 0600: 8086:29c0 (rev 02) is an example, i need the 8086:29c0
05:31<Risjh>valdyn, what does it do? it returned a number here, thats the process id?
05:31<valdyn>Risjh: yes
05:31<Risjh>valdyn, aah, ok :)
05:31<Risjh>thanks valdyn
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05:33<Risjh>it says /usr/bin/esd, the last time i used it, esd was also running, how come its using it now?
05:33<plokko>mmh it's an huge listt
05:33<valdyn>plokko: a simple to read list
05:33<plokko>nothing with 00:00.0
05:33<valdyn>plokko: 'lspci' lists your ide controller, the first column is a numerical value that is identical in the output of 'lspci -n'
05:34<valdyn>plokko: i DONT need MY example device, i need your ide controller
05:34<plokko>10de 0550
05:35<plokko>for the ide
05:35<valdyn>ok, hold
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05:35<jm_>right see above, that's nvidia
05:35<jm_>it's AHCI
05:35<Risjh>since the last couple of times whenever i try to turn off my computer, it just hangs with a blank screen, where is the right place for the logs ( and which) to check what goes wrong when it tries to shutdown?
05:36<valdyn>plokko: what did you change in your bios?
05:36<valdyn>plokko: lsmod | grep ahci
05:37<plokko>return nothing
05:37<valdyn>plokko: 'modprobe ahci'
05:37<valdyn>plokko: that's good
05:38<valdyn>plokko: anything new in 'dmesg' concerning ahci ?
05:38<plokko>...not work!
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05:38<valdyn>... i know
05:38<plokko>dmesg no
05:38<valdyn>what 'no' ?
05:39<Maulkin>Risjh: all logs can be found in /avr/log
05:39<plokko>it's nothing concerting ahci
05:40<Risjh>Maulkin, yep, but which one should i be looking at to find out what goes wrong during shutdown
05:40<Maulkin>Risjh: try syslog or kern.log
05:40<valdyn>plokko: i do think you somehow changed your ide controller from legacy mode to ahci
05:40<plokko>only one thing changed from working system
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05:40<valdyn>plokko: in the BIOS
05:41<plokko>i changed nothig about ahci
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05:41<valdyn>plokko: 'modprobe sr_mod'
05:41<plokko>before i had lilo
05:41<valdyn>plokko: 'modprobe cdrom'
05:41<plokko>and lilo spent a lot of time searking bios
05:41<valdyn>plokko: please, don't interpret what lilo does when you don't understand it
05:42<plokko>okok...i reported the only thing different
05:43<plokko>modprobe sr_mod and cdrom report nothing
05:43<valdyn>plokko: that's expected that they report nothing
05:43<Risjh>Maulkin, i cant seem to make out where it shows an error or which part is the "hanged" state part :(
05:43<valdyn>plokko: just run 'grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable', i expect that to find nothing though
05:44<plokko> nothing
05:44<valdyn>plokko: ok
05:45<plokko>not too ok T_T
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05:45<valdyn>plokko: go to your bios and change back what you changed with your ide controller
05:45<plokko>nothing changed at all!
05:45<valdyn>plokko: 'legacy mode' or 'native mode' or whatever
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05:46<plokko>...if this don't work either i'll use fedora
05:46<valdyn>plokko: sure
05:46<plokko>(for my friend)
05:46<plokko>it works perfect
05:46<Eulex>plokko, are you sure?
05:46<plokko>like my father pc
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05:47<plokko>but my friend with too forced reboots +reiserf make the sys unstable
05:47<valdyn>redhat calling fedora testbad for rhel must be a joke, its really rock solid ( </sarcasm off> ) ;)
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05:47<plokko>fedora graphic loader sux
05:47<plokko>restart continuosly if fail and don't stop
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05:48<plokko>also is a little more unstable that debian but have a lot of drivers
05:50<plokko>acer bios don't allow anything
05:51<plokko>i'll try reiser+debian(don't kill me,last try)and then fedora
05:51<valdyn>plokko: that's nonsense
05:51<plokko>i want debian to have the same config as mine and server
05:51<valdyn>plokko: i think there was something else different last time
05:51<valdyn>plokko: maybe a different kernel
05:51<plokko>...acer is nosense
05:51<Eulex>I doubt fedora has more drivers than debian. maybe they include some non-free drivers by default, but they are easy to install on debian too.
05:51<plokko>..i think is the config
05:51<valdyn>Eulex: just a newer kernel than etch, which might do it
05:52<plokko>debian with same kernel but xfs works
05:52<valdyn>hey my disk controller only works if i operate my mouse with the left hand ;)
05:53<Risjh>hmm, kern.log says nothing about the time when i try to shutdown the computer and it hangs, should it be having any errors if so? or some other file?
05:53<valdyn>Risjh: time?
05:53<valdyn>Risjh: what should kern.log be telling about time?
05:54<Eulex>valdyn, yeah
05:54<valdyn>Risjh: its not going to tell anything at all if syslog is already shut down
05:54<Risjh>valdyn, no no, i meant my pc hangs when i try to shutdown since the past couple of times, so i was wondering if kern.log has the errors
05:55<valdyn>Risjh: hangs dont have to be because of the kernel
05:55<valdyn>Risjh: so /var/log/messages might be better..
05:55<Risjh>valdyn, oh, then how do i find out what is the culprit?
05:55<Risjh>ah, ok thanks
05:55<valdyn>Risjh: it depends on where it hangs. It's possible that you can catch an error only on a serial console
05:56<valdyn>Risjh: ( if at all, a kernel hanging won't give an error necessarily )
05:58<Risjh>valdyn, when i shutdown the pc ( via gnome) the display closes, and then i land with a black screen with some dizzy lines and then it gets stuck and doesnt power off, earlier i used to get to the console when the display went off and i saw the services going off and then the pc powering off
05:58<Risjh>and messages doesnt seem to have anything useful too :/
05:59<Risjh>unless Oct 15 23:12:57 Arsenal kernel: UDF-fs: No VRS found
05:59<Risjh> means something..
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06:04<valdyn>Risjh: so go to console first, then ctrl-alt-del
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06:05<Risjh>valdyn, that'll restart the system?
06:05<valdyn>Risjh: yes
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06:05<Risjh>valdyn, but how do i find out what goes wrong when i try to shut down via gnome? will the shutdown be verbose there? as in letting me know where exactly it hangs?
06:06<valdyn>Risjh: yes
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06:09<davi_>Is Debian IA-64 well supported?
06:09<davi_>The installer is BEta!
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06:11<bzed>davi_: which cpu do you have?
06:12<davi_>bzed AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+
06:12<davi_>Should I install the ia32 version instead?
06:12<jm_>well definitely not IA64 ;)
06:13<davi_>ok, so I will install the IA32 version as jm_ advises
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06:14<jm_>davi_: is your sempron actually 64bit capable?
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06:15<Eulex>davi, your sempron won't do ia-64. it might do amd64, though.
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06:15<Eulex>davi, ia-64 is itanium.
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06:28<davi_>jm_ I think, yes, due to JVM 64 goes ok
06:28<davi_>Eulex Now I get it, thanks and bye to reboot
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06:34<Risjh>thanks valdyn it worked
06:34<Risjh>avu, you there?
06:36<avu>Risjh: yes
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06:36<Risjh>avu, my game hangs on the 1st level
06:36<Risjh>as in, on tier 1
06:36<ups>hi, I found a package I need is currently broken in sid
06:36<avu>Risjh: directly on loading the level?
06:37<ups>can I get it from testing or stable?
06:37<Risjh>avu, the first level works fine, but i cant play any levels of tier 1, as soon as the map loads and i land in there, the game gets stuck
06:38<avu>ups: yes. use apt pinning or manually load it (off packages.d.o for example)
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06:38<debed>hello can anyone say me
06:38<debed>how to use apt-cacher
06:38<Risjh>avu, know of any way to get across it?
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06:38<ups>I haven't done that before, which package should I pin?
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06:39<avu>Risjh: quake3.x86 +set s_musicvolume -1
06:39<Risjh>avu, tried that too, same thing :(
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06:39<avu>Risjh: if it's the bug I think it is, starting q3a way will help
06:39<debed>Risjh, heyy
06:39<avu>ok, no idea then, sorry
06:39<debed>can u say me how to use apt-cacher
06:39<Risjh>hi debed
06:40<avu>ups, enable testing in your sources.list, configure priorities in apt/preferences
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06:40<avu>ups: apt_preferences(5) will help
06:40[~]libereco oí nomás!! echale kapaz...
06:41<ups>avu, I will look at apt_preferences
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06:43<avu>ups, then you can use apt to explicitly install from testing. (e.g. using aptitude install foo/testing)
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06:45<debed>avu, hi
06:45<avu>debed: no I cant :)
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07:09<debed>Jimix, Hi
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07:14<subha>hi all
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07:15<subha>can anybody tell me ,during installation time if i dont mention some steps in preseed file then will it ask the user or simply d-i ignore the step ?
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07:24<nicholas>hey all, i would like some help GYachE.. can anyone ?
07:25<foxiness>nicholas: just ask
07:26<apm_linux>I am french
07:26<apm_linux>I want install Veritas Netbackup 60.MP4 on debina
07:26<nicholas>ok.. i enstal it and when i trying to log on its saying logging failed invalid user.
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07:26<manphiz>Anyone using xchat notice that the popup window indicating lag time doesn't update after upgraded to gtk+ 2.12?
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07:27<apm_linux>on Solaris, On redhat, on Suse
07:27<apm_linux>it'not problems
07:27<apm_linux>with debian , the last
07:28<apm_linux>the distribution of veritas
07:28<apm_linux>on script of install
07:28<apm_linux>this script don't want installed on this debian
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07:31<petemc>apm_linux: have you tried getting in touch with veritas to see if they support debian?
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07:32<apm_linux>i see on veritas support
07:33<apm_linux>i phone on veritas support
07:33<apm_linux>the support
07:34<apm_linux>the debian is not supported
07:34<apm_linux>linux red hat, suse, etc ... no problems
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07:35<apm_linux>I thiink , the debian haven't got the good package
07:35<Maulkin>apm_linux: what is veritas?
07:35<apm_linux>for install
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07:37<Maulkin>apm_linux: how does it fail?
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07:39<Maulkin>And is it the client, or server that's failing?
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07:40<apm_linux>yes, i want install the client
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07:40<Maulkin>And how does it fail?
07:40<apm_linux>the master server is working on solaris10
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07:47<Maulkin>apm_linux: how is it failing?
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08:08<GeneralTom> op please
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08:48<francesc>k i a algu aki
08:50<cassio>who are u?
08:50<francesc>Im from indian?
08:50<francesc>and you?
08:50<yl>i`m from china
08:50<cassio>i'm from brazil
08:50<francesc>im a swatch
08:50<francesc>no a cassio
08:50<cassio>but why did u call me?
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08:50<francesc>how ar you
08:50<yl>i`m a student
08:50<cassio>i'm fine thx
08:51<cassio>what about u?
08:51<francesc>im police
08:51<francesc>of mtv
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08:51<cassio>i'm just a nerd
08:51<francesc>toc toc
08:51<cassio>who is it?
08:51<francesc>you ar just
08:51<cassio>u said toc toc
08:52<francesc>tak tack
08:52<gmob>im police of sex
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08:52<cassio>tak tack?
08:52<francesc>tock tock
08:52<gmob>who is there?
08:52<cassio>who is it?
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08:52<francesc>tok tok ki ha? un andromina ke va volar
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08:53<francesc>apa dew
08:53<cassio>onr rhuitz
08:53<francesc>onr ruiz no in gassi
08:54<francesc>apa dwwdwdwd
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08:55<ifvoid>gmob: ?
08:55<gmob>ifvoid what?
08:56<ifvoid>15:53 gmob (~gmob@ requested CTCP VERSION from #debian:
08:56<ifvoid>what was that for?
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08:56<gmob>ifvoid for I see
08:56<ifvoid>yous ee what?
08:57<valdy>would you like to go for a drink ??
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08:57<cassio>but i'm straight
08:58<miksuh>cold beer would be nice... :)
08:58<JasonS>miksuh: always is
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09:03<stretchy>I am trying to upgrade my debian distro from sarge to etch, but some packages require a kernel upgrade
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09:03<stretchy>how do I upgrade the kernel?
09:04<stretchy>it is currently 2.2.20-idepci
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09:05<gsimmons>stretchy: Have you read the Etch release notes?
09:06<miksuh>stretchy: 2.2 ???
09:06<stretchy>ya, that is why I am confused
09:06<miksuh>well it's about time to upgrade your kernel :)
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09:07<stretchy>I actually want to just upgrade sarge, but when I do dist-upgrade, it doesn't update the kernel
09:07<miksuh>or do you mean 2.6.20?
09:08<stretchy>uname -r gives me 2.2
09:08<miksuh>weird. Sarge has normally 2.4.? and 2.6.8
09:08<scott>stretchy: what does 'apt-cache search linux-image' give you?
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09:12<stretchy>nothing, empty
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09:13<stretchy>using the same command and I put kernel image returned many options
09:13<miksuh>what's in your /etc/sources.list? donät paste here, you pastebin or similar
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09:14<fux>I need to copy 2 GB of files using scp. I'm doing this while in a ssh session on another machine. Is there a way to let the scp command finish when i disable the ssh connection? Do I need to run it in "daemon" mode or something?
09:14<scott>stretchy: ok, you can specify one of those kernels in an apt-get install command
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09:15<weasel>gmob: versioning an entire channel is very, very rude. don't do that again.
09:16<gsimmons>fux: You can run your scp command in a screen session, then detach.
09:16<fux>gsimmons: easy to explain or should i Google :D?
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09:16<gsimmons>!tell fux -about screen
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09:17<fux>gsimmons: not getting any info... But ill google the screen "command" . Tnx for the pointer!
09:17<nd>fux: nohup
09:17<miksuh>stretchy: or msg your /etc/apt/Sources.list to me
09:18<miksuh>I think there must be something wrong in it
09:18<fux>nd: you mean something like "nohup scp <params> & >nohup.out 2>&1 "
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09:19<nd>fux: yes
09:20<nd>fux: You don't need the >nohup.out part iirc
09:20<fux>nd: what would be the advantage to the "screen" option suggested by gsimmons?
09:20<nd>fux: Just an alternative way to do it in case you don't want to install screen or something
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09:21<fux>nd: ok tnx, ill read up on both options. Tnx for the pointers guys!
09:21<mojo69_>Is there any way to access the automatic setup (the thing that was used to setup debian when installing) after installation?
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09:23<mojo69>I just moved my computer from a place where it was hooked up to a router to somewhere where it's hooked up directly to the internet (and now it won't work) I suspect it's because it doesn't setup dhcp each time--how can I fix this?
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09:24<concorr>i have a problem... ./configure --host=arm-wince-cegcc --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
09:24<concorr>don't work
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09:25<concorr>host cegcc are in /home/cross-sdk/cegcc
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09:26<concorr>checking host system type... Invalid configuration `arm-wince-cegcc': system `cegcc' not recognized
09:26<concorr>help help
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09:28<Maulkin>concorr: what are you trying to do?
09:28<concorr>i need help please
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09:29<concorr>i have a lib with configure script, a compile for i686, mingw32, ...
09:30<concorr>with mingw32 work fine
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09:30<concorr>with cegcc i have this problem
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09:32<Maulkin>What are you compiling?
09:32<concorr>a library
09:32<Maulkin>cegcc? Isn't that the winCE crosscompile toolset?
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09:33<Maulkin>It *looks* like your host environment isn't installed properly.
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09:35<concorr>cegcc work fine if i compile with: arm-wince-cegcc-gcc asdf.c
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09:36<concorr>but, i don't know who compile with ./configure
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09:36<concorr>cegcc binaries are in path
09:37<concorr>sorry, you see this...
09:37<concorr>../configure --host=arm-wince-cegcc --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --bindir=/home/cross-sdk/cegcc/bin --libexecdir=/home/cross-sdk/cegcc/libexec --libdir=/home/cross-sdk/cegcc/lib --includedir=/home/cross-sdk/cegcc/include
09:37<concorr>don't work
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09:39<concorr>i need modify ?¿?
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09:41<debed>concorr, hai can u tell me how to uyse a apt-cacher
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09:41<Maulkin>--host=arm-wince-cegcc may be incorrect. Try running ./configure --help
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09:42<Maulkin>concorr: Otherwise, try emailing
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09:42<concorr>in autoconf say this for cross-compilation
09:43<Maulkin>debed: look in /usr/share/doc/apt-cacher
09:43<Eulex>concorr, you may also ask the creators of that cross-compiler or a mailing list that dealw ith it
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09:43<concorr>i think that the configure script work whit "arm-wince-cegcc-[gcc,ar,strip,...]"
09:44<Maulkin>debed: and 'man apt-cacher'
09:44<Eulex>concorr, obviously it doesn't, as you just told us ;)
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09:44<concorr>i searh information and lists, but i don't have any solution
09:44<Maulkin>debed: please don't message me
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09:46<debed>Maulkin, okie friend
09:46<Maulkin>Now, what's the problem you're having?
09:46<concorr>How to locate works configure each platform?
09:46<debed>Maulkin, I have updatd my local cache but the cliends which are getting updated from here are also slow
09:47<concorr>apt-get update
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09:48<concorr>/etc/apt/sources.list --> You must have correct addresses
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09:48<Maulkin>debed: 1) do the clients have the cache configured at the top of /etc/apt/sources.list ? 2) have you run apt-get update? 3) are you using pinning? 4) are you sure it's coming from the proxy?
09:48<debed>yeah my address in the clients is this ...deb etch main contrib non-free
09:48<Maulkin>debed: and what do you mean by 'slow'?
09:49<debed>actualli i have poor broadband connection and i could do the update to my main system
09:49<concorr>Is there any autoconf guru?
09:50<Eulex>concorr, the one who wrote it is probably an autoconf guru.
09:50<debed>but i have a lan and i shud update my clients even so i wanna use apt-cacher which makes it fast ...but the speed has not changed
09:50<concorr>Eulex: Does that packages need? Does not have the dvd debian?
09:50<Eulex>concorr, I think you misunderstood me and I don't think I can understand you.
09:51<Maulkin>debed: try #gnu on freenode
09:51<concorr>sorry, i'm spanish
09:51<Maulkin>concorr: or ask the author of the library
09:51<concorr>freenode server?
09:51<debed>Maulkin, i dint get u
09:51<Maulkin>debed: apologies, wrong person
09:51<Eulex>debed, it will only change for stuff that is _already_ downloaded, not for stuff that hasn't been downloaded by any client yet.
09:52<Maulkin>debed: the way caching works, is it won't be faster the first time you download it. Only the second or later times
09:52<Eulex>debed, apt-cacher will not make your upgrade 'magically super-fast', only cache stuff that is already downloaded.
09:52<concorr>i'm in freenode, thx Maulkin
09:53<debed>Eulex, but I couldnoit do the one that is already downloaded
09:53<Eulex>debed, what do you mean?
09:53<debed>Eulex, actually for my LAn I am using two NICs/..I dont have a I got Internet in evry system using a package called <ipmasq>
09:54<Eulex>debed, basically, one of your computers are acting as a router?
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09:55<debed>Eulex, do u think any firewall is stopping the clients
09:55<debed>Eulex, I actually donno abt the ipmasq
09:55<Eulex>debed, if a firewall stopped the clients, it wouldn't work at all.
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09:55<Eulex>debed, you should make sure that you have no bandwidth limitations set, though.
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09:56<debed>Eulex, no what I am thinking is ...the clients too are downloading from the source but not from the local cache
09:57<Eulex>debed, if your clients' sources.list are set up the way you said above, they will be downloading from the box that is running apt-cacher.
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09:58<concorr>freenode#gnu is dead, nobody is talking
09:58<debed>Eulex, do u think I have to amke anymore changes in apt-cacher.conf
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09:59<Eulex>debed, I don't know. but are you sure that you've tried the scenario when you've already downloaded something one time through the cache, and it still is slow the second time you try to download it through the cache?
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10:01<debed>Eulex, see i updated the main system...before the LAN was i setup a LAN...and I think my clients will now update from the local cache only
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10:02<Eulex>debed, the stuff that the main system downloaded before apt-cacher was installed won't be put in the apt-cacher cache automagically. you can do that manually, though. read the apt-cacher documentation.
10:03<Eulex>debed, I repeat, if the main system doesn't use apt-cacher apt sources, what you download on the main system _won't_ be put in the apt-cacher cache.
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10:04<Eulex>(hmm, that wasn't really a repetition, that was additional info, but you get what I mean)
10:04<debed>Eulex, i have also imported the cache using $sudo /usr/share/apt-cacher/ /var/cache/apt/archives
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10:05<Eulex>debed, and have you checked that the packages you expect really are in the apt-cacher cache?
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10:05<debed>Eulex, u mean to do that
10:06<Eulex>debed, go into the directory that stores the apt-cacher cache, check so the right packages are there.
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10:06<Eulex>anyway, I gotta go, cya
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10:09<sheldonh>one of my field technicians accidentally included "desktop environment" in addition to "standard server" in the install of a new server. i'd like to avoid a reinstall. is there a convenient way to remove all the packages that "desktop environment" selected, that "standard server" didn't?
10:10<the-dude>remove X and use deborphan
10:10<sheldonh>wow, that easy. awesome!
10:11<the-dude>yeah it is not that hard
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10:12<george_007>How can I read *all* the error messages that were outputed during booting (from services etc.), in /var/log/messages there are some but not all.
10:13<sheldonh>literally just remove xorg? seems like there's a bit more to it than that?
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10:15<sheldonh>the-dude: removing libx11-6 seems to go some of the way too :)
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10:16<debed>Eulex, heyy
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10:17<debed>Eulex, can u tell me exactly from wher and to wher i shud import the packages
10:17<debed>Eulex, I think the way i did earlier was wrong
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10:21<sheldonh>the-dude: someone in the office just showed me something cool. if you're willing to use aptitude's interface, you can use tasksel from in there to mass-uninstall End User :)
10:22<sheldonh>debian is the shit
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10:23<debed>Heyy can anyone tell wher will be the apt-cacher repository
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10:25<the-dude>sheldonh, remove x will remove most of the packages, the rest van be removed with deborphan and apt-get autoremove that will be fine
10:25<sheldonh>got it. thanks
10:26<the-dude>and a other solution is export en list of packages from a "basic" install and compare that 2 the one installed with x
10:27<debed>how can we view the cache repository
10:28<the-dude>which one ?
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10:49<debed>heyy anyone can please help me with
10:49<Risjh>debed, you checked, were you shaping the traffic?
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10:51<Risjh>hi, the touchpad tapping in my laptop doesn't work. I have to modprobe -r psmouse and modprobe psmouse each time to get it to work, what seems to be the problem?
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11:02<Guest1890>hallo welt
11:02<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:12<mzilikazi>any ideas as to why 'asoundconf list' shows me nothing? cat /proc/asound/cards shows both sound cards which do in fact work but I wanted to use asoundconf to set one as default
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11:15<cahoot>on debian?
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11:17<mzilikazi>cahoot: yes debian
11:17<mzilikazi>is there any other OS out there?
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11:17<cahoot>wasn't aware that utility existed
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11:19<amphi>mzilikazi: it behaves the same here ;)
11:19<cahoot>and here on lenny and sid
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11:21<shevek>I have set "menu is compose" in gnome keyboard settings, but since some time ago, after every boot I need to redo that setting. When I open the settings, it looks good, but it doesn't work, and when I toggle the setting twice, everything is fine. What can be the problem?
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11:23<mzilikazi>i guess we have to stick w/ /etc/modprobe.d/sound
11:23<amphi>shevek: dunno - you could just use xmodmap (if gnome doesn't stamp all over it)
11:23<shevek>amphi: Hmm, that's an idea
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11:24<cahoot> asoundconf set-default-card <card> seems to do it
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11:25<erikandre>I have tried to setup dovecot with mysql-support
11:25<erikandre>But it wont work. I`ve been using hours google for howtoes that maybe works. None of the guides does help me with the dovecot mysql-support .
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11:26<erikandre>I soon giveup the dovecot with mysql. Anyone with a solution in this channel?
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11:27<azeem>!doesn't work
11:27<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
11:27<erikandre>azeem: I`ve tried the howtoes i found for postfixadmin
11:27<azeem>... and?
11:27<erikandre>But they dont give me other than "unknown command"
11:27<erikandre>When i try to do as it says in the howto
11:28<azeem>is that whole error, or does it say "foo: unknown command"?
11:28<erikandre>okey i can past some in a txt file and show you
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11:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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11:29<erikandre>i paste in a txt file
11:30<erikandre>if its to big. but it`s only one line
11:30<erikandre>sunny:/etc/dovecot# /etc/init.d/dovecot start
11:30<erikandre>Starting mail server: dovecotError: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 3: Unknown setting: userdb
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11:30<erikandre>I followed the
11:30<erikandre>But as you see. It doesnt work.
11:31<azeem>that says "Unknown setting", not "unknown command"
11:31<erikandre>Whatever. Its a error message
11:32<erikandre>i didnt remember.
11:32<azeem>but if you want help, it makes sense to quote the right error message
11:32<erikandre>then iam sorry. i check the error messages next time.
11:33<erikandre>It`s just that i have been using more than two weeks on this project. And i soon be a kind of angry.
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11:34<erikandre>And wherever i go. They say. Google is your friend. But now it seems like i get some help. so thanks.
11:34<azeem>erikandre: put up the content of /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf somewhere
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11:35<bighornram>what is the replacement for base-config in lenny?
11:36<azeem>bighornram: there is none
11:36<azeem>bighornram: which part of it are you missing?
11:36<cassio>oh yeah! i was gonna ask a question about base-config
11:37<bighornram>setting up a chroot on the swap partition to do a remote install.
11:37<azeem>bighornram: how does base-config setup chroots?
11:37<azeem>bighornram: well
11:37<cassio>i know there's no base-config in etch, but where do i change the base-config stuff on d-i?
11:37<azeem>bighornram: you either run d-i on it, or configure manually
11:37<azeem>cassio: what do you mean?
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11:38<cassio>well, in debian sarge, i can chenge the base-config to customize my installation
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11:38<azeem>you can run it
11:39<cassio>in debian etch, where do i change that kind of stuff?
11:39<azeem>in d-i
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11:39<tori>i want install msn messenger
11:39<azeem>some parts of it may have other tools which provide similar functionality
11:39<bighornram>azeem: d-i ?
11:39<azeem>bighornram: debian-installer
11:39<cassio>ok, i have d-i, but couldn't find where exactly
11:39<erikandre>tori: msn messenger, you can install amsn
11:39<tori>how can i?
11:39<erikandre>amsn is nice, Not as bugy as msn messenger.
11:40<erikandre>tori: as root:
11:40<erikandre>apt-get install amsn
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11:40<mzilikazi>pidgin does msn too
11:40<cassio>i want to create an automatic installer
11:40<tori>ok thanks i try
11:40<erikandre>tori: Welcome :-)
11:41<azeem>cassio: look into preseeding, rather, then
11:41<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or, or
11:42<cassio>ok thx ^^
11:42<azeem>cassio: (in helps to ask your real question at the beginning...)
11:43<cassio>i'll remember that ^^
11:43<erikandre>Every human learns something new each day:)
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11:45<erikandre>azeem: you did get the url right?
11:45<azeem>erikandre: no, you didn't paste it in here
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11:45<azeem>if you /msg'd me, I probably didn't see it because I got too many tabs open already
11:46<erikandre>aah. I see.
11:46<erikandre>(Just as you know) I did do as the howto says. so maybe there is things other than what the howto says. That i have to change.
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11:47<azeem>are you sure it says "line 3" in the error?
11:47<erikandre>its the last lines
11:47<erikandre>at the end
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11:47<erikandre>Since i saw that a friend of me had added the same lines at below
11:48<azeem>18:27 < erikandre> Starting mail server: dovecotError: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 3: Unknown setting: userdb
11:48<azeem>I'm talking about that
11:48<erikandre>Okey i explain
11:48<erikandre>I did a search and found the same lines at the end
11:48<azeem>because line 3 of what you pasted is a comment
11:48<erikandre>So i removed the lines from the start
11:49<erikandre>So they are only at the end now
11:50<azeem>erikandre: so what is the error nwo?
11:50<azeem>now*, argh
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11:51<erikandre>Starting mail server: dovecotError: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 1048: Unknown setting: userdb
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11:53<azeem>erikandre: which version of Debian are you running?
11:54<erikandre>Debian 4.0
11:54<azeem>well, the howto seems to be for 3.1
11:54<erikandre>So it doesnt work then right?
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11:55<azeem>erikandre: did you setup /etc/dovecot/dovecot-mysql.conf, btw?
11:56<erikandre>azeem: there was no dovecot-mysql.conf so i made it
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11:56<erikandre>Followed the howto. but there`s a dovecot-sql.conf i didnt understand much of that file.
11:57<azeem>try to find a howto for 4.0 then, maybe
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11:58<erikandre>azeem: I bet i dont find any other for debian.
11:58<erikandre>And i am so not much into using hours and days on something that doesnt work. i am comfused and sad. that`s what i am.
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12:02<marupa>Is there any way to record from a video-in adapter? (not a tunercard)
12:02<marupa>the video in adapter works under tvtime, but how would I record from it?
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12:03<erikandre>azeem: does that make sense?
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12:03<azeem>erikandre: there are no uncommented lines in that file
12:04<Risjh>hi, my mic doesnt seem to work, in sound recorder, i dont see any entry in the input device, where/what should i make the changes?
12:04<azeem>erikandre: but anyway, I don't know a lot about this, I just managed to get the right error message out of you
12:04<Risjh>ESD is enabled ( i use gnome)
12:04<erikandre>okey. Thanks
12:05<Risjh>and sound device shows HDA Intel
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12:06<marupa>does the mic work out of a recorder?
12:06<madmix>hi excuse me i've a very big problem.... i have deleted a directory in shell mode.. in home... in what metod i can restore it?? plese help me
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12:06<Risjh>marupa, meaning?
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12:06<marupa>like, when not recording something, just in normal desktop, does it work?
12:07<Risjh>how do i check that?
12:07<Risjh>skype cant use it either
12:07<marupa>double click on the speaker icon
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12:07<Risjh>marupa, and?
12:07<marupa>under recording tab, is microphone capture on at all? or does it not even show up?
12:09<Risjh>marupa, i didnt have a recorind tab
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12:09<Risjh>marupa, i got it from preffrences->capture
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12:09<marupa>you do see it now though?
12:10<Risjh>marupa, yeah
12:10<marupa>enable it, does it 'echo'?
12:10<Risjh>marupa, i unmuted it, but i dont hear anything
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12:11<marupa>then most likely the driver isn't installed correctly, or there is no driver. Not sure about that card, I use pretty standard equipment.
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12:12<Risjh>marupa, i dont see anything in sound recorder "Record from input : "
12:12<Risjh>its coz of the driver
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12:13<marupa>yeah. Erf. Not sure about the driver, but that'd be my best guess.
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12:16<Risjh>marupa, is there some device in /dev/ which i can cat and check whether it gets the input from the mic? like in the case of touchpad/mouse?
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12:16<marupa>Not that I know of, but I'm not the most knowledgeable.
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12:19<qbit>Risjh, check alsamixer
12:19<qbit>see if it's muted :D
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12:20<Risjh>qbit, i just installed audacity and the recording there was perfect \o/ where do i check that though?
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12:21<qbit>open a terminal and type "alsamixer"
12:22<Risjh>qbit, ah, ok checked, it works with audacity so i guess it works now?
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12:22<Risjh>cool \o/
12:22<Risjh>thanks qbit and marupa
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12:23<sheldonh>owch. anyone ever seen linux-headers install bitch out because /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build (which doesn't actually exist) is also in package linux-image
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12:23<sheldonh>full error at
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12:24<bighornram>where do I find the build/pkg-lists/netboot/i386.cfg file?
12:26<sheldonh>ugh, looks like it's from make-kpkg, which includes lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/{source,build} in the generated package!
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12:27<sheldonh>how can i make make-kpkg _not_ do that?
12:28<brick__>how can i install thunderbird 2 on debian? i only get 1.5 from apt
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12:28<dli_>!tell brick__ about backport
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12:29<brick__>dli, is thunderbird 2 in some lenny backport?
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12:31<el_isma>Hi. I'm trying to resize a ntfs partition, but ntfsresize doesn't let me. It says the operation is not supported. What can I do?
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12:33<cassio>oh yeah!
12:33<cassio>another doubt
12:33<cassio>is there a way to create a udeb mirror?
12:33<fxiny>udeb ?
12:34<fxiny>do you want debmirror ?
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12:41<el_isma>I'm trying to resize a ntfs partition, but ntfsresize doesn't let me. It says the operation is not supported. What can I do?
12:41<fxiny>are you using gparted ?
12:42<fxiny>are you root ?
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12:42<el_isma>yes, yes
12:43<fxiny>is it mounted ?
12:43<el_isma>And I tried doing it by hand, it doesn't let me
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12:43<el_isma>it complains that it needs extents 1032 < 1024 (or something like that) and that it cannot do the operation
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12:43<el_isma>it's a large NTFS partition, maybe thats why
12:47<fxiny>how big is ?
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12:49<fxiny>have you tried gparted live cd or the latest cd ? it could be a ntfresize version issue . i've done some resize long ago
12:50<fxiny>118 is not so large
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12:51<el_isma>fxiny: I've tried sysrescue 0.3.6, and my own local version (which I think it was the same as the cd)
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12:54<fxiny>i read about ntfsresize version issue on long ago . on ethc is ntfsresize v1.13.1
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12:55<fxiny>el_isma: what debian version are you running ?
12:56<el_isma>I'm running ubuntu, actually (shame on me!). I was trying to resize to actually get to install debian :)
12:56<el_isma>it's feisty
12:56<cassio>update it to gutsy :p
12:56<el_isma>ntfsprogs 1.13.1 is the installed version
12:56<fxiny>well . debian rox . ask ubu
12:57<JasonS>and ask in #ubuntu
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12:57<el_isma>it's the latest version of ntfsprogs, so unless I go CVS (which may or may not fixed the not-implemented stuff), I don't have much choice
12:58<fxiny>get the excellent gparted cd live
12:59<el_isma>fxiny: but doesn't gparted use ntfsprogs? unless it uses a newer version, it'll have the same error.
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12:59<Joris_>I've built a LVM-on-dm-crypt setup
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13:00<fxiny>el_isma: i already told you : on site you can find about ntfsresize version issue
13:00<Joris_>during boot my lvm pv's were obviously not available - how can I activate them after setting up the encrypted device?
13:00<fxiny>but then gparted live came out and i belive it sorted it out as well
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13:00<fxiny>same for etch gparted live
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13:02<el_isma>fxiny: sysrescuecd uses the same version of ntfsprogs. I guess I'm out of luck :(
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13:02<bastiaan>is cron part of the "base" distribution?
13:02<fxiny>el_isma: no idea about what it uses now
13:02<el_isma>thanks anyway, fxiny
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13:03<fxiny>el_isma: np , don't give up but install debian :)
13:04<el_isma>fxiny: hehe. I know, I'll search other ways of resizing ntfs... I want to move my /home to another partition
13:04<el_isma>and then it's goodbye ubuntu :P
13:04<xzu>just curious: what do you guys use, cfengine or puppet?
13:05<fxiny>el_isma: i'm just trying to help you on resizing windows . ubu is not my problem
13:05<fxiny>if you want to keep it keep it
13:06<el_isma>fxiny: I'm sick of the release cycle. I want to move to Lenny.
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13:11<fxiny>i don't even think to leave etch : i'm playing with vserver :))
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13:21<fxiny>el_isma: don't forget to defrag xp
13:22<fxiny>a virus will do :))
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13:26<rtmex>Hello george
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13:32<greenplastic>how can i update from etch to lenny?
13:33<JasonS>!tell greenplastic about stable->testing
13:34<greenplastic><JasonS>please do
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13:39<joko>Hi... Is there any repository with e17 snapshots?
13:39<joko>I'm using Debian Sid
13:39<dpkg>[DR17 debs], or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at
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13:41<Aleric>How hard would it be to get two sound cards working at once?
13:41<joko>dkr, the last one is a mirror to the repository and when I try to do apt-get install e17, it fails mentioning about broken packages...
13:42<dkr>use the cvs repo as instructs, then. :)
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13:42<joko>lol @ dkr... :D
13:42<dkr>I only knew about that factoid because someone else used it when I told the last person to ask to use cvs, heh
13:43<dkr>never tried those links myself
13:43<joko>dkr, anyway, thanks... :)
13:43<dkr>is compiling from source really a laughing matter? /ponder
13:44<joko>dkr, I mostly use Gentoo... :)
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13:50<df1amb>Aleric: very easy. Put it in and have Fun. The only problem is my machine changes them randomly at boot.
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13:53<rtmex>How can I concatenate a message with the result of a command ins bash?
13:53<rtmex>I'm trying this but it's not working
13:53<rtmex>echo -n ${usuario[$i]} ": debes respaldar en CD o DVD los siguientes archivos ya que serán eliminados del sistema\n"+`find /home -type f -mtime +35 -size +1M -user ${usuario[$i]} -printf "%h/%f\n" | xargs -0 -n 1|mail -s "Borrado de archivos" ${usuario[$i]}`
13:54<rtmex>I'm trying with the plus sign
13:55<cahoot>df1amb, try asoundconf set-default-card <card>
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13:56<df1amb>cahoot: oh thanks for that tip I will try that by now
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14:10<ptr>ain't nobody talkin in here
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14:10<JasonS>ptr: it happens
14:10<ptr>It's bizarre
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14:10<ptr>#debian in the old days was a constant party
14:10<madmix>where i can find an italian chat??
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14:11<JasonS>and it is here as well most time ptr
14:11<ptr>perhaps it was the fracturing between oftc and freenode
14:11<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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14:22<Onepamopa>anyone familiar with bash scrpting? ;)
14:22<dondelelcaro>Onepamopa: best to just ask or ask #bash
14:23<Onepamopa>there seems to be no one alive ;)
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14:29<Eulex>try #bash on freenode
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14:41<dude>hello how can i install a web-cam?
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14:42<df1amb>So now I have to ask here. I am running an vpn server. The problem is when trying to ping from one client to another that fails (Destination Host Unreachable). The server can be pinged from all clients.
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14:46<amphi>red: what?
14:46<ErJeDi>some person hvae the knowledge on how to recompress a dvd in the command line , like dvdshrink??
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14:51<freezer>is 'ati' the same as 'radeon' in the xorg.conf?
14:52<jinn>I think the nvidia's driver is better
14:52<themill>freezer: man ati
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14:53<Vakio>jinn: for ATI cards?
14:53<themill>freezer: ati is an auto-detect wrapper, one of the drivers it will load if appropriate is radeon
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14:53<jinn>no ,ATI's card can't use it
14:53<jinn>buy a new one
14:54<freezer>(II) RADEON(0): Detected Radeon Mobility M7, disabling multimedia i2c
14:54<jinn>now the video card is cheap
14:54<freezer>suck my dick
14:54<themill>jinn: cheap? easy to replace? not for a laptop it isn't.
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14:55<freezer>bu still, i have the feeling it was faster once, direct rendering is active
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14:59<alex^^^^^>anyone know how i would configure grub to load a kernel of my choice, and if the kernel didnt boot after 2mins, revert back to my default?
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14:59<koollman>well... once the kernel is started, grub has finished the job
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15:00<alex^^^^^>yes but what if something screws up
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15:00<alex^^^^^>lilo can do it
15:00<the-dude>alex^^^^^, there is a fine howto on
15:00<Onepamopa>dondelelcaro, thanks for the help @ freenode ...
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15:00<koollman>alex^^^^^: I don't think lilo can...
15:01<koollman>I know the kernel can reboot after a kernel panic
15:01<Onepamopa>kernel-panic? wow
15:01<Onepamopa>I havent seen kernel panic in about 2 years
15:01<koollman>and I suppose if the kernel does not panic, you can use one of the watchdog modules to reboot if things go wrong
15:01<alex^^^^^>yeah thats what i need
15:02<themill>alex^^^^^: try grub-reboot, that can do it on a one-time basis but you can use that to do what you want
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15:02<alex^^^^^>i cant restart the server by hand unfortunatly
15:02<koollman>Onepamopa: kernel panic also include things like 'oops, my kernel can't mount /' :)
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15:02<Onepamopa>good stuff
15:02<alex^^^^^>i think my issue will be that itll just freeze/halt on something stupid
15:03<themill>alex^^^^^: damn your nick is annoying....
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15:03<themill>!nickometer alex^^^^^
15:03<dpkg>'alex^^^^^' is 99.932% lame, themill
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15:03<themill>!nickometer alex^^
15:04<dpkg>'alex^^' is 38.000% lame, themill
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15:04<themill>alex^^: well that's an impressive improvement ;)
15:04<alex^^>you can always minimize the window
15:04<alex^^>1000% improvement.
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15:06<the-dude>!nickometer the-dude
15:06<dpkg>'the-dude' is 69.000% lame, the-dude
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15:07<Eulex>that's unfair
15:09<alex^^>i cant seem to find any guides helping to configure grbu to auto reboot on kernel panic -> and/or lockup...
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15:09<alex^^>!nickometer dpkg
15:09<dpkg>'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, alex^^
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15:10<df1amb>!nickometer df1amb
15:10<dpkg>'df1amb' is 22.000% lame, df1amb
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15:17<qbit>!nickometer qbit
15:17<dpkg>'qbit' is 0.000% lame, qbit
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15:19<@Myon>dudes, could you play with the bot elsewhere?
15:20<freezer>hey dude!
15:20<@Myon>thanks for that important comment
15:21<freezer>i make only important comments
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15:29<shane>im here
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15:30<alaya>anyone know why if an interface picks up a lease with dhcp-lease-time = 300 i am seeing it renew leases every 2 min or so?
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15:31<Myon>it doesn't wait for the full time
15:31<lupine_85>alaya: the server might be broken and forcing the renewal
15:31<Myon>dhclient should tell you "renewal in ..." on startup
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15:36<alaya>i'm looking at /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases
15:37<alaya>in syslog i see messages like renewal in 146 seconds every time it renews
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15:37<alaya>i assume that's the time since it last renewed
15:37<lupine_85>sounds more like the time 'till next renewal
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15:41<gsimmons>alex^^: Define "kernel.panic=X" (where X = number of seconds to wait prior to reboot after panic) in /etc/sysctl.conf, alternatively supply "panic=X" as a boot parameter in your GRUB configuration.
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15:46<phsythax>Hi, i've JUST finished installing (successfully) etch, and i run a simple nmap scan and find several ports open. Why does a standard install leave ports open?
15:47<petemc>so you can connect to the services running on those ports
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15:47<bzed>phsythax: pt your nmap output into a pastebin please.
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15:48<bzed>phsythax: also, did you scan localhost or your host from somewhere else?
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15:49<phsythax>port 25, 111,113,631. i see NO reason whatsoever that i run a SMTP server, NOR ident, neither RPC.
15:49<phsythax>How do i kill those services
15:49<lupine_85>they're running on L O C A L H O S T
15:49<elronxenu>!nickometer elronxenu
15:49<lupine_85>now try scanning your real IP
15:49<dpkg>'elronxenu' is 0.000% lame, elronxenu
15:50<lupine_85>also, netstat -lnt is a much better way of finding out what services you have running
15:50<lupine_85>a standard etch install leaves /no/ ports open to the world
15:50<phsythax>lupine_85, now two services are still on
15:50<phsythax>lupine_85, then try scan me and see what you get
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15:50[~]lupine_85 scans
15:50<lupine_85>see? :p
15:50<phsythax>just run a whois on me and get my hostname from there
15:51<lupine_85>anything bound to localhost can't be seen on the outside web
15:51<phsythax>have you tried scanning me?
15:52<Onepamopa>phsythax, try scanning my home pc ;)
15:52<phsythax>lupine_85, indeed
15:52<phsythax>Onepamopa, sure, give me your ip and i will
15:53<Onepamopa>this is @home
15:53<Onepamopa>go ahead
15:53<Onepamopa>let's see what you can find
15:53<Onepamopa>(or not find)
15:53<davi>Why spellchecking does not work on OpenOffice (Debian etch) ?
15:53<davi>Must I to install some package?
15:54<lupine_85>phsythax: I don't think that IP is running debian
15:54<Onepamopa>davi, yeah, apt-cache search openoffice
15:54<phsythax>lupine_85, well then you tell me what i've just installed
15:54<davi>thanks Onepamopa . Note I have already installed:
15:54<Onepamopa>phsythax, did you find anything interesting ?
15:54<lupine_85>*shrug* it's showing 25, 111, 113 open
15:54<Onepamopa>lupine_85, you can try too, if u want ;)
15:54<phsythax>lupine_85, as i told you
15:55<lupine_85>pastebin the output of netstat -lnt
15:55<phsythax>Onepamopa, yea, all ports are filtered, aka all SYN packets dropped..
15:55<davi>Onepamopa, I think I have to install myspell-es from the cache search. thanks!
15:55<lupine_85>drop is a stupid target
15:55<lupine_85>you should use reject instead
15:56<Onepamopa>phsythax, yeah, but ports are opened
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15:56<phsythax>Onepamopa, what are you trying to prove? your iptables skills?
15:57<SNN>Is there a guide to compiling things like Apache?
15:57<Onepamopa>phsythax, no ;)
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15:58<Onepamopa>SNN, compiling?
15:58<Onepamopa>why do you need to compile them?
15:58<SNN>Or build w/e lol
15:58<Onepamopa>just apt-get install apache
15:58<phsythax>lupine_85, any idea why these ports are open?
15:58<lupine_85>apt-get -b source <package>
15:58<sebastw>hello world :)
15:58<lupine_85>phsythax: I'm not saying any more until you provide the output of netstat -lnt
15:58<Onepamopa>phsythax, cuz you have running services
15:58<sebastw>Someone can help me please ?
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15:58<SNN>I prefer installing my own software to make it easier to configure
15:59<Onepamopa>SNN, what the ....
15:59<lupine_85>SNN: perhaps Gentoo would be more to your taste
15:59<SNN>nvm you wouldn't get it
15:59<sebastw>I search a program to configure fstab with gnome application
15:59<Onepamopa>use slack, then
15:59<phsythax>Onepamopa, then how do i stop them
15:59<Onepamopa>w8 to see what was the file
15:59<Onepamopa>my pc is rebooting rightnow
15:59<sebastw>I had this propram... but i don't remember
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16:00<phsythax>lupine_85, it showsport 2208, 34692, 111, 113, 631, 25, 56156 are open... :/
16:00<Onepamopa>phsythax, I just close the ports with iptables, that's easyer for me
16:00<sebastw>please help me
16:00<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
16:00<lupine_85>do that with the output
16:00<nd>sebastw: gedit? :)
16:01<phsythax>lupine_85, why? what is it you want to know?
16:01<sebastw>nd, :) no there are a graphic interface without text
16:01<lupine_85>it's the list of all open server ports, and what interfaces they're bound to
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16:01<phsythax>Onepamopa, leaving services running is a bad idea
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16:01<lupine_85>if I see that, I can tell you which ones you want to shut down
16:01<lupine_85>(e.g. 631 is cups, you don't want to shut that down)
16:01<phsythax>why not?
16:01<lupine_85>because it's only your printing
16:01<lupine_85>and it's only bound to localhost
16:02<phsythax>i am not in need of a printing service
16:02<lupine_85>then uninstall cups
16:02<nd>sebastw: /etc/fstab is a text file.. but sorry, i don't know the gnome tool you are searching for
16:02<lupine_85>does "apt-get remove" mean anything to you?
16:02<nd>after all, it's not too complicated to configure fstab with a text editor..
16:03<phsythax>lupine_85, "apt-get uninstall" did
16:03<sebastw>nd, ok
16:03<lupine_85>oh, it seems 111 and 113 are being run by xinetd
16:03<phsythax>how do i stop services without removing them, gentoo had a "/etc/init.d/service action" command
16:04<lupine_85>check /etc/rc2.d
16:04<phsythax>is there something similair in Debian?
16:04<nd>phsythax: update-rc.d -f <basename> remove
16:05<phsythax>nd, isnt that just for stopping it to start at boot?
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16:05<nd>phsythax: yes, i thought you ment this?
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16:06<nd>If you just want to stop it../etc/init.d/bla stop
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16:07<phsythax>why would people want a smtp server running on ther barebone gentoo installation?
16:07<lupine_85>it's used to send emails to root
16:07<lupine_85>and should be localhost-bound only
16:07<lupine_85>(it's exim4)
16:07<lupine_85>tcp 0 0* LISTEN <-- see? I have it too
16:08<phsythax>but I dont want it
16:08<lupine_85>so uninstall ity
16:08<phsythax>its called ity?
16:08<lupine_85>no, it's called exim4
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16:08<lupine_85>ity is a misspelling of it
16:08<lupine_85>you can use lsof to determine which process is using which port, btw
16:08<phsythax>nice ty
16:09<petemc>debian needs something to provide mail-transport-agent
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16:10<lupine_85>petemc: s/he'll discover that after it's been removed, I'm sure :D
16:11<petemc>if you (force) uninstall exim4 without replacing it with something else, the packaging system will break
16:11<phsythax>petemc, to me, it seems lame that a system needs to use tcp sockets like that
16:12<petemc>so i gathered
16:12<lupine_85>it won't break the packaging system
16:12<lupine_85>and, you know, it's a localhost tcp socket.
16:12<lupine_85>perfectly good practice
16:13<petemc>phsythax: whats your big problem with tcp sockets?
16:13<petemc>you obviously chose to install some packages during the install, then seemed annoyed those packages were installed
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16:14<phsythax>as i've understood it, unix has some kinds of sockets witch doesnt use the IP protocol. and (as i've understood it)THOSE are ment for app to app communication
16:14<lupine_85>yeah, BSD sockets
16:14<phsythax>petemc, i didn't install anything unusual at all. just desktopenvironment and standard filesystem
16:15<lupine_85>if you've got an app that you want to be able to communicate remotely as well as locally (as makes sense for, say, a mail server)...
16:15<lupine_85>it makes sense - and is no less secure - to use uise a TCP socket bound to localhost
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16:15<phsythax>yea, however i have no need of such things lupine_85
16:16<phsythax>i want my OS to install what I tell it to, and nothing else. i expected that of Debian..
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16:16<lupine_85>it installs a base system
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16:16<lupine_85>if you wanted exactly what you need, then you should've gone with a chroot
16:16<phsythax>are you telling me a smtp server is included in a base system?
16:16<phsythax>why is that?
16:16<lupine_85>because syslog, for instance, uses it
16:17<phsythax>syslog? i dont want syslog to email my logs
16:17<lupine_85>also cron
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16:17<phsythax>neither syslog or cron or anything else installed tcp services on a barebone gentoo installation.
16:18<petemc>debian is different than gentoo
16:18<lupine_85>debian has policy that defines exactly what the default behaviour is. feel free to change those functions if you like, but don't complain about the policy
16:18<phsythax>yea, ofcourse
16:18<petemc>the reason for the decisions are all well documented
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16:19<phsythax>anyway, thanks for the help guys. i appreciate it.
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16:19<lupine_85>it does surprise me that xinetd + ident is running, though
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16:23<JoeyAdams>What's a good PCMCIA wireless network card for Debian Etch that will be usable for network installation?
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16:25<gsimmons>JoeyAdams: Anything that doesn't require external firmware and has modules for it available within the 2.6.18 kernel.
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16:27<df1amb>JoeyAdams: I use a AVAYA 11 Mbit card with orinoco chip
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16:29<Onepamopa>all done, now... what am I going to do?..
16:29<JoeyAdams>What do you mean orinco chip?
16:30<Onepamopa>that means that orinoco is the chip on the card
16:30<Onepamopa>like realtek - RTL
16:30<lupine_85>Dunno what the .18 kernel supports, but I always go Ralink
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16:33<Onepamopa>blah, booring job..
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16:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
16:33<JasonS>not that he cares mind you
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16:34<JasonS>i think we need to go slap the kurmin devs around a bit
16:35<greenplastic>hi every1
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16:36<greenplastic>does anone use kurumin?
16:37<JasonS>greenplastic: anyone who joins as kurumin apparently
16:37<greenplastic>JasonS huh, ok
16:38<JasonS>its a brazillan spin off of debian i think greenplastic
16:38<greenplastic>yes, i was just reading wikipedia
16:39<greenplastic>i dunno, i prefer knoppix as live cd
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16:45<Onepamopa>greenplastic, I prefer backtrack as livecd ;))
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16:46<Onepamopa>blah, sooooooo booring..
16:47<greenplastic>Onepamopa why?
16:47<Onepamopa>don't know, still testing
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16:47<greenplastic>knoppix is very lil' and powerfull i guess
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16:47<Onepamopa>well, I'm going to sleep a while
16:48<Aero>heyho, does anyone know a good tool to administrate users and groups?
16:48<Aero>like the rightsmanagement from Windows (USer is a member of blah mu buh) -_-
16:49<Aero>suse can do it with yast i think -_-
16:49<greenplastic>Aero: gksu users-admin
16:49<lupine_85>kde and gnome both come with tools to do that
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16:49<Aero>i haven ne of them
16:49<Aero>just for console
16:49<lupine_85>useradd and usermod then
16:50<Aero>lupine_85, but then with usermod i have to tell: usermod NAME blah,mu,maeh,etc,pp
16:50<Aero>-G -_-
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16:50<Aero>that wouldnt fine -_-
16:51<greenplastic>you can write script
16:51<lupine_85>last I checked, readmind.ko didn't exist
16:51<Aero>-_- that's a pitty -_-
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17:03<george>Aero: not sure what that invocation of usermod does
17:03<Aero>well, i do it with the file /etc/group -_-
17:03<george>umm and best of luck with that :)
17:04<george>how's that going for you?
17:04<Aero>well, i need some groups
17:04<Aero>webspace for friends and sth like this
17:04<Aero>some of them my write on the var/www folder
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17:04<Aero>and some of them in the Var folder
17:05<george>the basic deal is that if you edit the files directly you might forget to do things the shadow passwd suite needs
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17:06<Aero>if i just add the names to the group?
17:06<Aero>group testi
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17:06<Aero>when i write them testi:x:1010:aero,testa,testb ?
17:07<george>I'm just saying that things will happen correctly if you use the provided functions {user,group}{add,mod,del}
17:07<Onepamopa>it's not windows
17:07<Onepamopa>to ADD
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17:08<Aero>k, then firstly i have to make my users
17:08<Aero>with useradd name
17:08<george>if you edit files directly I'm not saying it won't work... but I am saying you might be taking a risk
17:08<Aero>i do not want to make a mistake -_-
17:08<Aero>and after i made my usersi add maybee
17:08<Aero>groupadd htdocs
17:08<Maulkin>"useradd name group" will add <useR> to <group>
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17:09<Aero>but he have to have his own grou too for his home folder -_-
17:09<Onepamopa>Maulkin, the user has to be created first, right?
17:09<Maulkin>Sorry, adduser user group
17:09<Maulkin>yeah. Use adduser for that too
17:09<Aero>well: groups: htdocs varfolder musik
17:10<Aero>if user aero should made everything i say:
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17:10<Aero>usermod -G htdocs varfolder musik ?????
17:10<Maulkin>have a look at 'man adduser'
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18:50<MaZ->guys, any idea what could cause massive cpu usage as soon as someone hits a 100mb file on my server? ;o
18:50<MaZ->it's serving about 100 requests per sec at 10-20% cpu usage but if 1 person hits that file, instant 100% usage (on apache)
18:53<dondelelcaro>MaZ-: uh... how are you examining cpu usage?
18:54<MaZ->top ;o
18:55<MaZ->which is why im a little suspect, cos none of the apache threads seem to show lots of cpu time either via top of ps
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18:56<MaZ->it only happens with this bigass file though, serving images / html / php doesnt seem to stress it at all
18:58<dondelelcaro>MaZ-: you're most likely including the "io wait" bit of top, which is just because one of the threads is waiting for io
18:59<dondelelcaro>MaZ-: since serving large files generally means a bit of waiting for either the drive to send the file, or the receiver to actually receive the file
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19:09<MaZ->hm according to mpstat theres no io wait ;/
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19:16<MaZ->sorted it, my fault :(
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20:06<twb>When doing netboot installs, I can tell d-i to use my apt-cacher URL for the main repository, but by default it ALWAYS goes directly to security.d.o for security updates. Can I tell d-i to go via apt-cacher (i.e. apt:3142/security.d.o/debian) for the security repo?
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20:26<lutera>i have an error bash: glxinfo: command not found
20:26<lutera>could someone help me?
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20:27<gsimmons>lutera: Install the 'mesa-utils' package.
20:28<lutera>ok thx
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20:33<maqbool>how do i allow normal users to access samba sheres?
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20:37<maqbool>anyone know how i should mount a samba share so t hat it is available to all users on the samba client
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20:46<ne>maqbool: , this may be helfull, i dont know about samba much..
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20:49<java-ajuda>algum brasileiro ??
20:51<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
20:52<java-ajuda>dpkg vai pra puat q pariu
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21:06<ozatomic>when install java on debian what package should i sue from apt?
21:07<JasonS>!tell ozatomic about java
21:08<ozatomic>!tell ozatomic about install-java
21:08<ozatomic>!tell ozatomic about install java
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21:12<spanther>hello there i am new with wpa used wep before and now i need to know whats good and where are the differences my router gave me after a nice update some solutions "WPA (TKIP)" "WPA2 (CCMP)" and "WPA + WPA2"
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21:13<ozatomic>JasonS: i installed sun-java5-jre
21:13<ozatomic>and when i run my java app installer
21:14<ozatomic>Searching for Java(tm) Virtual Machine................No matching JVM was found.
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21:15<ne>is there any debian package of vmware virtual server? there are one .rpm but no .deb ? how can I install it on debian-etch?
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21:16<spanther>ne does this help? :)
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21:18<ozatomic>!tell ozatomic about java-package
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21:19<ne>spanther: :) thank you. I did it but it says: The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.18) does not match your running
21:19<ne>kernel (version 2.6.18-5-686)
21:20<spanther>ne i have no knowledge about kernel stuff but i found that howto for you :)
21:20<ozatomic>when i do apt-get install java-package. it can't find it
21:20<dpkg>methinks java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb;
21:21<jagerman>ozatomic: If you have non-free in your sources.list, you shouldn't need it.
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21:22<ne>is there anyone who knows where is the location of the directory of C header files that match running kernel? kernel version is Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 ?
21:25<george>ne: normally the kernel headers will be the same as the ones libc was compiled with
21:25<george>and that's normally what you want unless you are working on libc
21:26<ozatomic>jagerman: i did them steps make the .deb and used dpkg to install it, but now when i type java -version it can't find the ajva app?
21:26<george>having said that... you can get those headers.
21:26<velixzeen>I would try installing the header files for you kernel, or check that they are present first, then install them. Am I wrong here?
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21:28<ne>okay thanks. there was a command to show the paths after installing a package, what was it?
21:29<george>if it involved dpkg, you can see what all its tricks are... dpkg --help
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21:32<spanther>mh okay nobody knows about wep here or nobody want to help or all are sleeping who can help so i say good luck ne and bye :)
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21:33<ne>thanks spanther, have a nice dream :)
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21:36<dondelelcaro>ne: dpkg -L foopkg; man dpkg; for details
21:40<ozatomic>hmmm, i still cant' get the java program i have to install keeps saying can't find JVM
21:41<ozatomic>am i missing anything
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21:43<Xenguy>Brain fart - how can I find out a partition filesystem type?
21:43<weasel>head -c 1000 /dev/fooobar | file -
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21:44<Xenguy>weasel: tx - are you playing golf ? :-)
21:44<Xenguy>weasel: the perl guys play it sometimes...
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21:47<amphi>Xenguy: file -s /dev/foo
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21:48<Xenguy>amphi: /dev/hda1: writable, no read permission
21:48<dli_>which gnome/kde tools to do PPPoE dsl?
21:48<Xenguy>amphi: this box may be going south :-/
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21:48<Xenguy>amphi: maybe I need root
21:49<weasel>Xenguy: Wed 04:43:35 <weasel> head -c 1000 /dev/fooobar | file -
21:49<Xenguy>weasel: tried it, but didn't seem to work though
21:49<weasel>what did it say?
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21:49<ozatomic>do i have to do anything to setup a JVM on my machine?
21:50<ozatomic>or should it be setup on install
21:50<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
21:50<weasel>hmm, wrong factoid
21:50<Xenguy>weasel: amphi the 'file' command worked as root - tx all
21:50<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
21:50<weasel>that's it
21:50<ozatomic>was that to me?
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21:50<ozatomic>but i've install java1.4 already
21:51<weasel>as a package?
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21:51<ozatomic>i sued the fakeroot way
21:51<ozatomic>? blink at what
21:51<weasel>why didn't you simply install the sun-java5-jre package?
21:52<ozatomic>becasue the app i have to run with it want 1.4.2
21:52<ozatomic>i already tried java 5 and it still couldn't find a jvm
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21:52<ozatomic>once one fo the java packages are install the JVM should be running automaticly?
21:53<weasel>depends on what you mean by that
21:53<none>hi, i 've been installed a package with apt-get, and it with dependences looks like 41.1mb... but when i type: apt-get remove [package] i only remove 800kb.. how to can i remove a package with dependences?
21:53<george>jvm doesn't start running until you run an app...
21:53<george>but it would be installed and ready to run
21:53<weasel>and you probably have to start the app with the jvm
21:54<george>which is called...
21:54<ozatomic>well i run the app 'MerchantServerInstaller620b2.lin', and it then says "InstallShield Wizard, Initializing InstallShield Wizard Installer..., Searching for Java(tm) Virtual Machine..., .............No matching JVM was found."
21:54<weasel>none: because apt-get remove will just remove the package you installed, not all the stuff that was installed to satisfy stuff's dependencies
21:54<none>weasel did you know how to remove too the dependencies?
21:54<weasel>apt doesn't know which packages were installed because you wanted them, and which were installed to make the stuff you wanted work.
21:55<weasel>you should have used aptitude instead of apt-get - it would know.
21:55<none>and.. if i use aptitude now for uninstall?
21:55<weasel>you could install deborphan, and use it to find stuff that nothing else depends on
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21:55<ozatomic>weasel: did what i jsut paste mean anything to you ?
21:55<weasel>orphaner -a might be a good start
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21:56<weasel>ozatomic: it means you are using some broken installshield crap, yes :)
21:56<weasel>ozatomic: I have no idea how to help you there tho, sorry
21:56<ozatomic>ok thx anyway
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21:59<none>weasel: can you told me again the name of the package for remove dependencies?
21:59<none>tell me...
21:59<none>not told :P
21:59<weasel>deborphan is the package, orphaner -a is what lets you browse packages that nothing depends on.
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22:01<none>i was finding in google, how to install a tar.gz package in debian, but i don't find anything util, somebody know how to can i read manuals?
22:01<george>man whatever
22:01<george>or info whatever
22:01<velixzeen>none: apt-get remove --auto-remove might be what you are looking for to remove dependancies? check man apt-get
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22:02<weasel>velixzeen: there is no auto-remove in etch.
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22:04<george>none: there arent any tar.gz packages in debian... a tar.gz can contain anything, you would have to say more about what's in the tar.gz
22:04<none>george: exacly...
22:04<none>like a KDE theme..
22:05<none>i don't know how to manipulate a tar.gz file...
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22:19<Kazan>Hello, help please, how me mount NTFS partition for full access?
22:19<Kazan>Debian 4.0 etch
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22:22<gsimmons>!tell Kazan -about ntfs
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22:23<Kazan>Hey all. Please Give as
22:23<Kazan> I connect sections for the full NTFS
22:23<Kazan> access. Do I need to re-kernel?
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22:23<blarson>Kazan: mke2fs is a good cure for NTFS file systems
22:24<Kazan>sorry for the google translate :(
22:24<dli_>Kazan, what's your native language?
22:25<dpkg>well, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
22:25<Kazan>oo thanks :) i go to
22:25<weasel>or maybe you are looking for ntfs-3g
22:25<weasel>I don't know it, but it's what I hear people are using
22:25<Kazan>ok thanks
22:26<Kazan>me need for the main office server
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22:31[~]Supaplex enjoys the last few twizzlers in existance in the household mmmm
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22:37<none>weasel: did you know where i should copy a style for KDE?
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22:39<streuner>weasel: at work?
22:39<streuner>Are you at work NOW?
22:40<streuner>its pretty early now in our TZ, so i guess you are at work
22:41<weasel>you guess wrong. but thanks for playing
22:42<streuner>Playing? Iam asking
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22:48<none>damn it!! where should i copy a style for kde?
22:49<none>i don't found a directory.. where is it?
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22:50<motalus-organixc>i think i'm getting a conflict between my nvidia drivers and my sdl
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22:50<motalus-organixc>i've gotten it before in gentoo, but it just kicked in on my debian install and i'm not sure what it was or how i resolved it
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22:51<motalus-organixc>whenever i go into an sdl application, it registeres as my constantly moving the mouse to the lower left hand corner and pressing right
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22:53<kc>how do I go about getting the device currently labeled eth1 to be eth0 instead?
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22:53<dli_>kc, edit the file /etc/udev/rules.d/*-persistent-net.rules
22:54<kc>Thanks ^^
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22:56<kc>must remember this folder...
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22:57<none>how to can i open dekorator?
22:57<velixzeen>kc: me too; thanks dli_
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22:58<dli_>none, window decorator?
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23:21<none>dli_: yes
23:21<none>i don't know how to use it...
23:21<dli_>!tell none about beryl
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23:23<dpkg>beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. or
23:24<klys_>anyway I'm gessing he meant to start it from kcontrol
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23:24<none>is not found in kcontrol...
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23:25<klys>~google window decorator kde
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23:26<klys>~help google
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23:27<TweakGames>hi all! omg long time no talk!
23:27<streuner>apt isnt here...
23:27<klys>hmm thx streuner
23:27<TweakGames>Anything new since 2.6.6 smp? :D
23:28<streuner>New? in all default kernels (Debian) SMP is supported nowadys
23:28<TweakGames>cool cool. :D hehe I remember back in the day I had so much trouble getting my dual p3 sun server to work on both CPUs. :P
23:28<TweakGames>What kernel are we on new days?
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23:29<streuner>2.6.18 in etch/stable
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23:29<TweakGames>oh wow not as many updates So I was thinking hey I should format my server and put on new debian but... I can just apt get the newest kernel huh
23:30<klys_>think I patched umsdos for 2.6 since then
23:30<TweakGames>? Now I dont have to go buy some cd-rs :D
23:30<dpkg>rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. or or or ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, or <>
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23:30<streuner> has some newer kernels for etch
23:30<TweakGames>streuner I think I remember you from back then. Do I need to worry about backports?
23:30<TweakGames>oh ok.
23:31<streuner>they are just fine
23:31<streuner>nobse made some fine backports (kernel)
23:32<TweakGames>So, other then formatting and reinstalling with 4.0r1 boot image.. is there any way to get everything updated to 4.0r1 through an apt get?
23:32<streuner>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (and use security.d.o)
23:32<streuner>thats enough to get r1
23:33<streuner>!listkeys 4.0r1
23:33<dpkg>Factoid search of '4.0r1' by key (1): 4.0r1.
23:33<dpkg>from memory, 4.0r1 is the latest update of Debian 4.0, published Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:47:02 UTC. See
23:33<TweakGames>awesome thanks. Its sad. All my servers used to be soooo useful and powerful for game servers ... now .. I just want to make it a simple apache server :\ boring.
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23:34<streuner>using apache in Debian is very easy
23:34<klys>apache2, rather
23:34[~]streuner prefers apache1x
23:34<klys>how come
23:34<streuner>well tested and stable
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23:35<klys>ever do python
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23:48<Natha1>is there somebody who can help me?
23:49<Onepamopa>yes, they can help you
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23:50[~]klys_ hands Matha1 the green and black HELP flag
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23:51<fizzmahon>2 questions. just installed debian switching from ubuntu. first question is that i cant get my sound to work. installed alsa and configed it but still no sound. second is that im running amd64 so flashplayer wont work, im trying to use gnash as i heard it will work. i use ./configure but then when i type make it wont work.
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23:53<dli_>fizzmahon, first, did you run alsaconf?
23:53<fizzmahon>dli_: yupp i ran it, gave me 2 options, my nvidia onboard or legacy, chose the nvidia, and still no go
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23:53<fizzmahon>it said everything was configed properly
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23:55<dli_>fizzmahon, then, can you run alsamixer?
23:55<Natha1>I need help for telnetd configuration; there's anybody?
23:55<dli_>Natha1, use ssh, not telnet :(
23:56<Natha1>i need help with telnet
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23:56<fizzmahon>dli_: yes just tried
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23:56<Supaplex>ssh > telnet
23:56<fizzmahon>Natha1: telnet doesnt encrypt anything, its dangerous man
23:56<fizzmahon>Natha1: ssh much better option as everyone has said
23:57<Natha1>yes yes i know
23:57<klys_>Natha1: it works for me. see ifup lo; /etc/hostname
23:57<Natha1>i want to configure telnet now
23:57<Natha1>it's just an exercise
23:57<dli_>fizzmahon, do you get the right card in alsamixer?
23:57<klys_>natha1: telnet localhost
23:57<Natha1>no no, it's not so simple
23:58<fizzmahon>dli_: mhmm. NVidia CK8S with Realtec chip
23:58<fizzmahon>dli_: seems about right
23:58[~]klys_ hands Matha1 the green and black HELP flag
23:58<Natha1>i have to configure the telnetd service using xinetd
23:58<klys_>hmm ok
23:58<Natha1>the problem is that telnetd services doesnt' start
23:58<dli_>fizzmahon, everything unmuted? and with increased volume?
23:58<klys_>see: xinetd.conf
23:58<fizzmahon>dli_: call me stupid, my speakers wernt plugged in :(
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23:59<fizzmahon>dli_: heh happens to the best of us? lol
23:59<dpkg>rumour has it, pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance
23:59<dli_>fizzmahon, my fault, I used to ask users to check for the right holes first :(
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