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00:01<niru>dondelelcaro, I can do for english
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00:18<Guest2022>Can anyone pm? I just need someone to try downloading a file from my ftp server.
00:19<Guest2022>I've been getting disconnects tranfering from my computer to my parents (different location).
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00:20<dli_>Guest2022, why not use http
00:21<Guest2022>Well, I was using scp in my backup script but I am having problems there too. After a couple of MBs tranfer I get a disconnect error.
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00:25<girl_imoet>huy paveq..
00:26<Guest2022>ooh, friend is online il get him to do it.
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00:35<agus>hi
00:36<agus>somebody knows if there is repositories for download the kernel-source???
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00:37<jm_>agus: kernel sources are part of regular Debian repositories
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00:39<agus>jm_: the kernel-images have the source inside?
00:40<Supaplex>!kernel-image
00:40<dpkg>it has been said that kernel-image is what you get when you use make-kpkg (from package "kernel-package"), or ask me about "kp" for details Or 'apt-cache search kernel-image'
00:40<Supaplex>agus: no, image is the binary
00:40<GhostlyDeath_>what kernel does sid have?
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00:41<streuner>GhostlyDeath_: /msg dpkg sid faq
00:41<Supaplex>petemc, the-dude I know why dhcp appears slow. it's a bridging interface, and it takes some 32 seconds to ready-up.
00:42<agus>this is my repository serch
00:42<agus>DeLaCepa:/home/agus# aptitude search kernel-source
00:42<agus>p cpad-kernel-source - source for the Synaptics cPad driver
00:42<agus>p nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source
00:42<agus>p wacom-kernel-source - source for the wacom binary modules
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00:42<agus>I'm really sorry to boder, but i can't get it
00:42<gsimmons>agus: You'd want to search on "linux-source".
00:43<agus>there it is
00:43<agus>thank you all, very very
00:44<agus>and again, really sorry
00:44<jm_>agus: aptitude search is dumb, you should use apt-cache search or use extended patterns for aptitude (and use something like "kernel source")
00:44<Supaplex>no problem. that'll be $75
00:44<Supaplex>;)
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00:45<jm_>agus: or simply apt-get source foo if you are looking for sources of package foo (newer versions of aptitude also support this I think, but not in Etch)
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00:46<agus>I'm on etch
00:46<agus>thanks for the tip
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00:46<Supaplex>jm_: I think that pulls in the metamaster that'll build ever kernel flavor for that $arch+$subarches though.
00:46<Supaplex>s/ever/every/
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00:47<agus>one time i ask for the diference between apt-cache and aptitud but no one say anithing, rare question I asked i supouse
00:47<dondelelcaro>agus: there are lots of difference.
00:48<GhostlyDeath_>just ask dpkg
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00:48<Supaplex>dpkg: you think?
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00:49<streuner>dpkg, what are you?
00:49<dpkg>I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
00:49<Supaplex>apt-get source apt-cache aptitude ; diff -uNr */ ;)
00:49<GhostlyDeath_>!blootbot
00:49<dpkg>rumour has it, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support.
00:49<Supaplex>silly automatons.
00:50<agus>jeeee
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00:50<agus>never know about that
00:51<agus>great
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00:51[~]Supaplex steps on station11's nettube
00:51<GhostlyDeath_>Noone has still told me what kernel sid uses
00:51<Supaplex>!pdo
00:51<dpkg>http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
00:52<streuner>check out pdo then
00:52<Supaplex>GhostlyDeath_: on a good day, sid users get fishing poles. enjoy
00:52<hachi>source package php5 in lenny claims it should build a libapache-mod-php5, but there isn't one in debian. Anyone know what happened there?
00:52<hachi>http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/php5
00:53<agus>GhostlyDeath_: who me?
00:53<hachi>all the packages listed there are up to date, except libapache-mod-php5, which is an older version
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00:54<hachi>nice... they're dropping apache1.3 support!
00:55<GhostlyDeath_>those klingons are always up to something!
00:55<hachi>nobody uses that!
00:55<streuner>GhostlyDeath_: you should read sid faq, its mention some basic lessons in order for somebody who want run unstable
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01:02<streuner>GhostlyDeath_: why do you think you need a newer kernel?
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01:08<Supaplex>pardon me if your clocks skew. I'm performing a time honored ritual. enjoying chocolate milk this good, can make time stand still. (if only for a moment)
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01:12<tmg1>if a user has 'connected' a ftp connection
01:12<tmg1>how exactly far in establishing a connection is that?
01:12<tmg1>that comes before authentication right?
01:12<lubos>guys when I remove /vae/cache/apt/[pkgcache.bin,srcpkgcache.bin] will they get re-acreated after apt-get update ? thank you
01:13<Supaplex>lubos: don't go deleting stuff like that by hand. use apt-cache clean
01:13<Supaplex>unless, you're troubleshooting something, and you're prepared to fix your breakage.
01:13<lubos>Supaplex: I know :-( nut that doeas not apply for those files..
01:14<lubos>Supaplex: not troubleshouting nut trying to remove everrything which is not really needed ..any tips? :-)
01:15<Supaplex>nut?
01:15<Supaplex>yea, I suggested apt-cache clean for starters. are you that crampt for disk space?
01:15<lubos>Supaplex: yes I'm...
01:16<Supaplex>running it once in a while is a good thing (wipes out the debs that were downloaded), but parnoia will just drive you mad.
01:16<lubos>I need it to make is small as possible..
01:16<Supaplex>to what end?
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01:17<lubos>Supaplex: I have already installed software that is needed and used 423 MB those two files are 12 MB:-)
01:18<Supaplex>and how big is your harddisk?
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01:19<tmg1>Supaplex: isn't there a debian package that clears all your unused system files? (I know there used to be but I forgot what the name of it is)
01:19<tmg1>orphan-remove or something?
01:20<tmg1>deborphan
01:20<tmg1>lubos: try installing deborphan?
01:20<Supaplex>yea, deborphan rings a bell
01:20<Supaplex>!deborphan
01:20<dpkg>deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd.
01:20<lubos>Supaplex: its not that I do not have space.. this is virtual machine but my aim is to make the virtual machine as small as possible..
01:20<tmg1>woo they have a gui version gtkorphan
01:20<tmg1>that's new
01:21<hector>\quit
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01:21<Supaplex>chase down all the 'meta' packages. sometime they pin stuff down you won't use
01:21<tmg1>lubos: also try clearing your irc client's logs a little maybe?
01:21<tmg1>:)
01:21<Supaplex>!info kde
01:21<dpkg>kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
01:21<Supaplex>as if kde was only 7kb. right?
01:21<Supaplex>that's a metapackage.
01:21<jm_>indeed it is :)
01:22<lubos>tmg1: good poind I remove deborphan also :-)
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01:23<tmg1>lubos: localepurge
01:23<tmg1>lubos: once you're done with it, certainly
01:24<tmg1>I thought there was another one, but I'll leave you with that
01:24<lubos>tmg1: whats locale purge...?
01:24<tmg1>remove unnecessary locales
01:24<tmg1>unless you speak a bunch of languages ;)
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01:24[~]Supaplex installs TNT and blows his packages away. weee! ;)
01:25<lubos>tmg1: I dont have that one... :-)
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03:03<x>hello ?
03:03<x>any body home ?
03:03<akai>no, we're all attending a worldwide offline activity called Life :)
03:04<x>LOL
03:04<x>but i need help
03:04<x>just for little problem
03:04<x>about mplayer
03:05<akai>so, what's the problem?
03:05<x>when i type mplayer dvd://
03:05<x>its cant play the dvd
03:05<x>and also files
03:05<akai>do you have the correct codecs installed then?
03:06<x>yes
03:06<x>the codecs all installed
03:06<x>11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)7.4% 2 0
03:06<x>X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)7.3% 2 0
03:06<x>X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)7.0% 2 0
03:06<x>X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)7.0% 2 0
03:06<x>X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)6.8% 2 0
03:06<x>X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)6.7% 2 0
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03:06<x>ops, sorry
03:06<x>but when i use mplayer -vo x11 -zoom dvd://
03:06<x>it can play the dvd, but very slow
03:07<x>too slow,
03:07<azeem>x: how much RAM do you have?
03:07<x>azeem, 192
03:07<x>i use evilwm for my desktop
03:07<azeem>and Mhz?
03:07<x>p3 667
03:07<azeem>hrm
03:07<x>bfore thi
03:07<x>bfore this
03:08<x>i use centos, it just runs OK
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03:09<x>mplayer gots error when playing big files
03:09<x>small 3gp file can be play normally
03:10<Supaplex>x: -vo x11 is non-accelerated
03:11<Supaplex>x: ps, centos != debian. I wonder why we're getting centos attention today... weird.
03:11<x>suiside, centos isnt debian, yes i know
03:11<akai>I'd say that you'd need a better machine to play a fully working dvd
03:11<akai>besides trying to run this mplayer/DVD-thingie, what is running on your machine?
03:12<akai>KDE? Gnome? A lot of apps?
03:12<Supaplex>or a hardware decoding card+video bridge
03:12<akai>that will make it impossible to run a dvd on such a machine.
03:12<x>akai, no. just evilwm
03:12<akai>hmm
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03:12<x>evilwm is very minimalist
03:12<Supaplex>!+info evilwm
03:12<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
03:12<dpkg>evilwm: (a minimalist window manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
03:12<Supaplex>impressive.
03:12<x>yes,
03:12<Supaplex>!+info flwm
03:12<x>it is
03:12<dpkg>flwm: (Fast Light Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.02-2 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 100 kB
03:13<Supaplex>man. I suffer 8kb of bloat. what shame.
03:13<Supaplex>;)
03:13<akai>haha
03:13[~]akai hides in shame about his KDE/Gnome dualsetup
03:13<x>Supaplex, better switch to evilwm
03:13<x>akai, do u have any idea ?
03:13[~]Supaplex pats the 2.6gzh celery
03:14<x>hrmm, id better role back to centos :(
03:14<akai>x: not really, I remember having such errors on my very old computers back in the good old days of 2001 with low memory and not enough cpu.
03:14<akai>try a better machine?
03:14<x>akai, got no money :(
03:14<akai>Debian is a great distribution for many purposes, and displaying media is one of them :)
03:14<akai>hmm
03:14<x>akai, yes i do agree
03:15<akai>so, there is really no things clogging up your system? nothing?
03:15<x>but, not for old cpu like me
03:15<akai>just the wm?
03:15<x>akai, nothing, yes. only wm and gkrellm
03:15<x>thats all
03:15<azeem>x: what does "free;" say before you run mplayer?
03:16<x>debian:/home/x# free -m
03:16<x> total used free shared buffers cached
03:16<x>Mem: 187 179 8 0 68 40
03:16<x>-/+ buffers/cache: 70 116
03:16<x>Swap: 549 3 545
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03:16<x>sory again
03:16<akai>x: have you tried "vlc" ? it's an media-player, and I think that you might have a shot with it instead of mplayer :)
03:16<x>akai, vlc , realpyer, totem,kaffeine, all them got same problem
03:16<akai>hehe
03:16<akai>this is actually described widely on the web..
03:17<akai>to quote: "this error pluages all my video players... totem-xine, mplayer, vlc. Nothing will work and all of them spit this error back out at me."
03:18<x>yes
03:18<x>only small videos can be playe
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03:18<x>such as small 3gp vids
03:19<helge>anyone with an idea on this one, I need to run php from command line (via scripts), but if I do php -m I dont get support there for mysql, though php4 -m shows support, could I just rm the php file and ln -s php4 php ?
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03:19<helge>or is there a better way?
03:20<x>helge, que up
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03:20<helge>?
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03:21<gsimmons>helge: Have you installed the MySQL module for your version of PHP? ('php4-mysql', 'php5-mysql')
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03:23<chealer>helge: you don't have php5-cli?
03:23<helge>yeah just saw now, the php file is actually php5, so I installed php5-mysql now and it works..
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03:50<fruity>Hi to *, is this a support channel? I had a fylesystem corruptio that I fixed with a backup, but something went wrong and update-gconf-defaults return me a error that I cannot figure out corrupting the dpkg status, and google does not help, I running sid
03:51<Myon>did you run fsck?
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03:52[~]Supaplex bows to the sid user
03:53<Supaplex>fruity: anyway, behold /var/backups/
03:53[~]Supaplex 's zzzz now. (poor graymatter is sapped)
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03:53<fruity>eheheh thanks Supaplex
03:54<fruity>and I not a sid user, this is the desktop of a girl friend of mine, since I not a dev, I don use sid :"D
03:55<fruity>anyway, Il paste the error on a nopaste site
03:55<Supaplex>08:50 < fruity> Hi to *, is this a .... and google does not help, I running sid
03:55<Supaplex>rafb.net/paste
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03:56<fruity>http://nopaste.com/p/ajJyPbBsE
03:57<fruity>thanks Supaplex
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03:57<Supaplex>ESIGSLEEP
03:58<fruity>Ie been reading that script and in the directory where it should look in there are link to alternative and an xml file
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03:59<Myon>IOError: [Errno 21] Is a directory
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04:00<fruity>yest, realname should be a container of the file name into the directory that is defined at the beginning of update-gconf-defaults
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04:00<fruity>but seems that doesn't work as it should be
04:00<fruity>sorry I don't know anything about programming other scripting a bit
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04:01<Myon>that's pretty much exactly the kind of problems we usually refuse to support if you are running sid
04:03<fruity>ok I could immagine that Myon, I tryed at least :)
04:04<fruity>I already suggested the owner of this computer to run stable, but no way, is it possible to downgrade to stable?
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04:04<Myon>not really, involves lots of pain
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04:05<fruity>solved it!
04:05<fruity>~$ sudo rm /usr/share/gconf/defaults/10_libgksu
04:06<fruity>is a link to alternative that lik to a lib directory and not to a file
04:06<fruity>I remove the link and I could do a dist-upgrade
04:06<fruity>sorry for bothering, now i will try to link it with one of the files into the gksu lib dir
04:06<fruity>bye, and keep up the good work ;D
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04:35<hachi>my nss is not doing too well on this debian machine
04:38<padski>hachi: what is happenning ?
04:39<hachi>I have to restart nscd every few minutes otherwise I have no users from ldap
04:40<hachi>auth never fails
04:41<hachi>it's just... things like ls and even shells will no longer know who a person is
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04:43<padski>hachi: does it work if nscd is off alltogether ? (should it ??)
04:47<hachi>no it doesn't, and I don't believe it's supposed to
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04:51<padski>what would be a conventional name for a dedicated ldap server ?
04:51<padski>hostname
04:51<@Ganneff>whatever fits in your naming scheme
04:51<padski>ldap.example.org ?
04:51<hachi>I call mine lucy
04:51<padski>oh! you mean bilbo ;-)
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05:25<bburatti_>hello, i use sid
05:26<bburatti_>and since yesterday i have a problem with krdc and rdesktop
05:26<bburatti_>if i use the keyboard key Enter, it crash
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05:28<bburatti_>i got the error "Error of segmentation"
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05:29<padski>bburatti_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445779
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05:30<padski>bburatti_: perhaps
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05:31<GhostlyDeath>Can anyone relate to this: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_IRC_support ?
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05:36<lupine_85>heh
05:36<padski>GhostlyDeath: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showtopic=199177
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05:41<GhostlyDeath>I think I shall shorten /winswap and make /boot bigger
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05:48<GhostlyDeath>"OMG! DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC! IT CAN'T close windows, BUT WINDOWS CAN close windows JUST BY CLICKING the x button!" anyone?
05:49<padski>for that you need a woking mouse
05:49<padski>working
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05:50<dooglus>GhostlyDeath: I find the opposite, generally. debian IRC channels tend to be much more helpful for anything non-trivial
05:51<dooglus>GhostlyDeath: I almost never get any help in any ubuntu channels
05:51<padski>there is very thorough coverage of the impending release today ;-)
05:52<sep>GhostlyDeath, lol that url was hillarious :)
05:53<GhostlyDeath>Did I word my inquiry correctly?
05:53<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: Do you actually have a Debian question?
05:53<padski>GhostlyDeath: please repeat your enquiry, so that I can check its wording
05:53<Maulkin>And no.
05:53<Maulkin>!ask
05:53<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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05:54<Garp>Hi.
05:54<GhostlyDeath>Having some problems since I last upgraded
05:55<lupine_85>killall <programname> :p
05:55<GhostlyDeath>GNOME Web Browser freezes sometimes, GNOME Keyboard crashes when starting
05:55<lupine_85>lol gnome sux0rs f00l
05:55<lupine_85>;)
05:55<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: ok. What version of Debian are you running?
05:56<Maulkin>lupine_85: play nicely.
05:56<GhostlyDeath>testing...................................... I think
05:56<lupine_85>s/he started it :p
05:56<GhostlyDeath>he
05:56<Maulkin>I don't care who started it, I'll stop it :)
05:57<GhostlyDeath>* ChanServ sets mode +o Maulkin on #debian
05:57<Garp>Question: I'm trying to configure access from my machine by VPN, curently I have a lot of problems. Lets start with the first one: I can connect to the VPN, my connection get tunnelled to the private subnet and I can oepen a connection to any machine there... Until I try to access any macgine outside the private network: then my network route table modify itself on its own, removing the TUN entry and my VPN connexion become uneffective
05:57<padski>lupine_85: ROFL d00d!!!
05:57<Maulkin>Why would I need to do that? (look at my hostmask)
05:57<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" ?
05:58<GhostlyDeath>gasp "Maulkin is a Server Administrator."
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05:58<Dim0nD>hi, all
05:58<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: I doubt your IP is 255.255.255.255 because that's a broadcast address
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06:00<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: "ii libc6 2.6.1-1 GNU C"
06:00<Maulkin>thanks
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06:01<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: looks like you're running testing. Now, that's not officially supported, but I'll try and help anyway. How does gnome keyboard crash?
06:02<Dim0nD>guys, could you help me please. i have a terribke problem, that doesn' let me use debian any longer. I have a terrible sickness, headache (i've realized that comes from fonts)..
06:02<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: I do "System > Preferences > Keyboard" then bug reporting shows up saying it isn't a supported app
06:03<GhostlyDeath>"The application that crashed is not known to bug-buddy, therefore the bug report cannot be sent to the GNOME Bugzilla. Please save the bug to a text file and report it to the appropriate bug tracker for this application."
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06:03<Dim0nD>i've installed M$ fonts (veranda, tahoma), disabled anialiasing, but that makes noting(
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06:03<kmap>Hi debianers! An Etch user (a friend) is complaining that he's missing /dev/dsp
06:04<kmap>How do you recreate it the right way?
06:04<gsimmons>!devdsp
06:04<dpkg>it has been said that devdsp is if you are using alsa and you get an error about /dev/dsp missing, run "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules
06:04<kmap>Thanks dpkg, I'll tell him
06:04<dpkg>pas de quoi, kmap
06:05<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: ok. Can you put the text in that bug report in a pastebin?
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06:05<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: allready doing
06:05<Maulkin>dpkg: hello
06:05<dpkg>bonjour, maulkin
06:05<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: http://ghostlydeath.googlepages.com/gnome-keyboard-properties-bugreport.txt
06:05<Maulkin>thanks
06:06<Dim0nD>hm. nowbody knows ^(
06:06<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: can you run "/usr/bin/gnome-keyboard-properties" in a terminal please?
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06:07<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: as?
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06:07<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: open a terminal, and then type "gnome-keyboard-properties" :)
06:08<GhostlyDeath>so slow....
06:08<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: oh, and what's the output of "dpkg -l gnome-keyboard-properties|tail -1"
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06:09<kubitz>I have a printer question - I have an old lexmark z600 series - and it's going spare, but I've read asome stuff about the driver being proprietary and never wordking very well anyway - how do you find reliable open drivers - I'm a new user so I'm coming froma aposition of some ignorance.
06:09<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: "No packages found matching gnome-keyboard-properties."
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06:10<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: apologies. "dpkg -l gnome-control-center | tail -1"
06:11<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: "ii gnome-control-center 1:2.18.1-1"
06:11<Maulkin>and the same for libxklavier11 ?
06:11<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: "ii libxklavier11 3.3-1 "
06:12<Maulkin>thanks
06:12<Maulkin>The issue is known about and documented at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443458
06:12<Maulkin>There's a new package that fixes this issue and is currently going through QA to reach testing. It's currently expected to reach testing in 7 days.
06:13<Garp>Any suggestion for my VPN problem ?
06:14<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: is it in sid?
06:14<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: yup.
06:14<GhostlyDeath>Maulkin: any different depends?
06:14<Maulkin>GhostlyDeath: yes, lots
06:15<GhostlyDeath>Would be better to wait then
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06:16<GhostlyDeath>well thanks anyway
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06:20<GhostlyDeath>That pidgin bird is freaky
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06:22<Dim0nD>any ideas about my font problem?
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06:22<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: you try changing the font?
06:23<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: iv'e changed. ive installed ms-ones : veranda, tachoma...
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06:24<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: If Verdana and Tahoma give you headaches, use different ones
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06:24<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: hm. the defaults?
06:25<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: Sans
06:25<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: are there any ways to set-up fonts, the same as in win?
06:25<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: What do you use?
06:25<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: moment, i'll try sans
06:26<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: If you use GNOME, it should be in System > Preferences > Font
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06:26<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: If you use KDE there should be an option in it's control center
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06:26<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: kde. it's ok... unfortunatley i know how to do that)
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06:27<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: what aboute the native hinting? is it on by default in debian?
06:28<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: Hinting is usually on by default
06:28<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: sans is cruel
06:29<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: whithout antialiasing it's really bad-looking
06:29<GhostlyDeath>Looks fine to me
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06:32<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: are there any ways to set it up exactly as in win? (win is bad? i know? but it has no conflicts wih my eyes)
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06:32<Dim0nD>..commas over there..
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06:32<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: get close matches to the windows theme
06:33<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: hm. i'ive always thought that the defaul kde is the closest(
06:33<Dim0nD>GhostlyDeath: it's definitley depends on the fonts
06:33<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: Windows 95 through ME use MS Sans Serif 10pt
06:34<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: Windows 2000 and Windows XP use Tahoma 10pt with ClearType on by default
06:34<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: Windows Vista uses Segoe UI 10pt with ClearType on by default (Aero and Vista Basic Theme)
06:36<GhostlyDeath>Dim0nD: In Vista and XP, there's Classic and Standard, Standard = Win2k and Classic = Win98
06:36[~]lupine_85 can never see any quality difference with all these finicky little options
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06:38<Dim0nD>i'll die trying theese...
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06:39<Dim0nD>/me has only 2 aalternatives: 1. Being Blind.Using linux ; 2.
06:39<Dim0nD>2. Using Windows (
06:40<Dim0nD>being deaf)
06:40<miksuh>install msttcorefonts
06:40<miksuh>apt-get install msttcorefonts
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06:42<Dim0nD>ok. i'll do that. thnx
06:43<Dim0nD>thanks everyone for everything
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06:49<Garp>Question: my VPN connection breaks every 2mn or so, because network route changes on its own, any idea? Thanks.
06:49<Aleric>Is there a way to feed the output of one soundcard to another?
06:49<Aleric>Or better, to get any pcm input to be feed to both soundcards?
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06:50<Garp>Aleric: jackd should be able top do that and much more
06:50<Garp>Aleric; I use qjackctl
06:51<Garp>Aleric: a Qt GUI above jack daemon
06:51<Garp>Aleric: recompiling a kernel for low latency may help
06:52<Garp>depends what you wanna do
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06:55<GhostlyDeath>Does lost+found even have a purpose today?
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06:56<Kebianizao>Hello
06:57<jm_>GhostlyDeath: yes
06:58<Aleric>Garp: I installed qjackctl and looked at it, but it's not clear at all what to do with it :/
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06:58<Aleric>How can I get it to send output to both soundcards?
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07:02<Garp>Aleric: I'm far from knowing this well :(
07:02<Garp>Aleric: I would suggest yuou to read through http://jackaudio.org/
07:02<niwt>Is there a version of pidgin that will install on etch?
07:02<Aleric>How can I get it to do anything at all?
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07:03<padski>niwt: wasn't it called gaim then ?
07:03<streuner>!pidgin
07:03<dpkg>[pidgin] formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list.
07:03<Maulkin>niwt: gaim
07:03<niwt>yes, etch has gaim
07:03<Aleric>I'm playing music with xmms, which I configured to use hw:1.0 now. I suppose I need to tell it to jackd?
07:03<niwt>has gaim been updated to get into yahoo chat?
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07:03<Aleric>to use*
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07:04<Garp>Aleric: http://www.linuxmao.org/tikiwiki/img/wiki_up/ssm057.jpg
07:05<Garp>Aleric: That's all I know about that: I've seen ppl connecting anythiong to anything through jack using that kind of interface (draw lines with the mouse)
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07:05<Garp>Aleric: I'm only using it to connect a softsiynth to rosegarden and it works I dont know how ;-(
07:06<Aleric>Garp: I only have alsa_pcm there (with the two captures and 6 playbacks)
07:06<Aleric>There is no mention of sound cards, it seems this is just one of the soundcard - but it doesn't even say which.
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07:07<Garp>Aleric: I told you: I dont know more... likely www.linuxmao.org is a good start point, but not me :(
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07:09<Aleric>a good start point? It's french!?
07:09<Garp>have to go, bebye
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07:15<domingo>hola
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07:15<domingo>hola
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07:21<wanglin>hello ,everyone
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07:38<valdy>bye
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07:42<minWi>hi!
07:42<minWi>anyone knows if openoffice is broken on sid ppc?
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07:56<Tomcc>Anyone about that could help me with a (I expect very simple) bind9 question?
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07:58<padski>!tell Tomcc about ask
07:58<Tomcc>!tell
07:58<Tomcc>hmm hehe
07:59<padski>that's dpkg the bot here
07:59<Tomcc>Ah i see, thanks
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08:02<Tomcc>Ok heres goes, Bind9 question, Just installed bind9 with apt-get and for some reason my named.conf file does exist anywhere on my system... here is my syslog
08:02<Tomcc>Oct 18 13:43:02 webdev named[8790]: starting BIND 9.4.1-P1 -u bind -t /var/lib/named
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08:02<Tomcc>none:0: open: /etc/bind/named.conf: file not found
08:02<Tomcc>loading configuration: file not found
08:02<Tomcc>exiting (due to fatal error)
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08:06<gsimmons>Tomcc: Reinstall the 'bind9' package while forcing the install of missing configuration files.
08:06<gsimmons>!tell Tomcc -about confmiss
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08:20<Tomcc>thanks gsimmons :) that worked... new problem now but I'll have a crack at it myself before i bother you guys :)
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08:55<Tomalex>Bind9 question, I'm getting this error when trying to start bind, couldn't open pid file '/var/run/bind/run/named.pid': Permission denied, I've checked the permissions of the folder and tried setting them to full write access just as a test but I still get the same error, anyone got any ideas to whats going wrong?
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08:59<Maulkin>Tomalex: how are you starting bind?
08:59<Maulkin>Tomalex: and what user is bind trying to run as?
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08:59<Tomalex>I'm starting it with /etc/init.d/bind9 start
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09:00<Tomalex>How can i tell what user its trying to run as?
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09:00<Tomalex>sorry I'm new to linux
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09:01<Maulkin>Tomalex: ok. Run: "chmod 644 /var/run/bind/run/ ; chown bind:bind /var/run/bind/run/"
09:02<Maulkin>Hrm
09:02<Tomalex>ok done
09:02<Tomalex>should i try and run it again?
09:02<Maulkin>Please, yes
09:03<Tomalex>hmm still the same problem
09:03<Maulkin>And are you running /etc/init.d/bind9 as root?
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09:04<Tomalex>not that I'm aware of
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09:04<Maulkin>Ahh. You need to :)
09:04<Maulkin>any idea if you have sudo installed?
09:04<Tomalex>apt-get'ing it now :)
09:05<Tomalex>ok so just sudo and the normal start command?
09:05<Maulkin>right, you'll still need that sorting.
09:05<Maulkin>ish.
09:05<Tomalex>what do you mean?
09:05<Maulkin>First, as root (use "su -" then your admin password) type "visudo"
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09:05<Tomalex>done
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09:06<Maulkin>ok. Now copy that line which says "root: all(all) = all" or something
09:06<Tomalex>root ALL=(ALL) ALL
09:06<Maulkin>Put it below the current one, replacing root with your username
09:06<Maulkin>So you get a root one, and one with your name
09:06<Maulkin>*username
09:07<artur>hello all
09:07<Tomalex>ok done
09:07<Maulkin>Save and exit the file, then exit the shell
09:07<Maulkin>Now, as a normal user, type 'sudo ls'
09:07<Maulkin>It'll ask you for *your* password
09:07<Maulkin>Check that workd.
09:07<Maulkin>*works
09:08<ackron>Tomalex: cleaner would be ALL=(ALL) PASSWD:ALL
09:08<Tomalex>yep that worked
09:08<Maulkin>cool.
09:08<Maulkin>Now try "sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 start"
09:08<artur>please can someone let me know a good "unstable" repository for my sources.list? I have etch, and whenever I add an "unstable" repository (Sid) I get an error after entering 'aptitude update' (apt-get update generates the same error)
09:08<Tomalex>Starting domain name service...: bind failed!
09:09<Maulkin>Ok, we're getting somewhere :)
09:09<Tomalex>hehe excellent!
09:09<Maulkin>Tomalex: does "pidof named" return anything?
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09:09<Tomalex>yes 2 numbers
09:09<Tomalex>2083 9040
09:09<Tomalex>9083*
09:10<Maulkin>ok. In that case, bind is already running :)
09:10<Tomalex>yay!
09:10<Tomalex>is there a way to test it?
09:10<Maulkin>.oO(possibly twice... :P)
09:10<Maulkin>sure
09:10<Tomalex>oops! :S
09:10<Maulkin>"dig localhost @localhost"
09:11<Tomalex>; (1 server found)
09:11<Tomalex>I assume that is good?
09:11<Maulkin>There we go, we have a winner :)
09:11<Tomalex>excellent! thats great thanks Maulkin
09:11<Tomalex>could i trouble you with one more question?
09:11<Maulkin>Do you get:
09:11<Maulkin>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 54148
09:11<Maulkin>or similar?
09:11<Tomalex>;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 24483
09:12<Tomalex>yep
09:12<Maulkin>It's the "status: NOERROR" that shows it's all ok :)
09:12<Maulkin>cool
09:12<Maulkin>Sure, go ahead.
09:13<Maulkin>artur: bear in mind that sid is often broken, and unsupported. If your machine becomes unuseable, then we can't help much.
09:13<Maulkin>!sid
09:13<dpkg>the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq>
09:13<Maulkin>!unstable
09:13<dpkg>rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
09:13<Tomalex>Ok, the reason I'm setting this DNS up is because I want to be able to run a local server (for website development) using an external domain to point to the server. There will be serveral websites on the server and i want each server to have a subdomain... but I don't want to have to go out of my network and back in when developing
09:13<Tomalex>so I want the DNS to resolve these domains as internal IP's for any computer inside my network
09:14<Tomalex>does that make sense?
09:14<Maulkin>ahh, that old chestnut.
09:14<Maulkin>Yes.
09:14<Tomalex>any ideas how i go about doing that? if you have the time
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09:15<minusvirus>hi
09:15<Maulkin>Tomalex: have a look around google for "bind split zones"
09:16<Aleric>I run a bind on my firewall and use it as only dns server for my internal PC's.
09:16<Tomalex>Thanks Maulkin that will do me nicely, you should of seen the search times i was using before!
09:16<Maulkin>http://www.cs.miami.edu/~burt/local/cs-arch-2002/split-dns.html may help with the concept.
09:16<Aleric>That bind then uses the dns servers of my ISP, except for those domains that I added a file for.
09:17<Maulkin>Basically: you need to be careful. But it shoudl work.
09:17<Maulkin>Yup
09:17<Maulkin>Just make sure the machine only queries your local dns server.
09:17<Maulkin>It'll get confused if it gets two differnet answers.
09:17<Tomalex>thats basically exactly what i want to do
09:18<Aleric>Tomalex: On my internal PC's I have thus:
09:18<Maulkin>Tomalex: how many subdomains will you be forwarding for?
09:18<Maulkin>It may be easier to just put entries in /etc/hosts
09:18<Aleric>hikaru:/etc>cat /etc/resolv.conf
09:18<Aleric>search localdomain
09:18<Aleric>nameserver 192.168.2.2
09:18<Maulkin> That *should* be ok then/
09:18<Aleric>I needed to remove some package that constantly tried to edit that file ... what's it called.
09:19<Maulkin>resolvconf?
09:19<Aleric>no
09:19<Tomalex>maybe 10 or so, I'm currently editing the hosts files on individual computers
09:19<Tomalex>its now getting a bit out of hand
09:19<Aleric>Something that claims to make sure that you network always works
09:19<Tomalex>i need a central palce
09:19<Aleric>Only interesting for wireless hotplugging imho
09:19<Maulkin>ahh, for multiple ones? Yeah, you're best off with bind :)
09:20<Maulkin>Aleric: hrm... network-manager ?
09:20<Aleric>yes
09:20<Tomalex>if i edited the hosts file on the dns server would that effect all computers using it ?
09:20<Maulkin>waproamd?
09:20<Aleric>That's the one.
09:20<Maulkin>ifplugd?
09:20<Maulkin>whereami?
09:20<Maulkin>:)
09:20<Aleric>network-manager
09:20<Aleric>You have to remove that, it sucks :p
09:20<Maulkin>ahh yeah. That likes to play with random files.
09:20<Tomalex>so i need to remove network-manager?
09:20<Maulkin>generally very good unless you need to do something non-standard.
09:21<Aleric>Also, if you use DHCP on the machine that runs bind, you need a script to get the dns servers updated.
09:21<Maulkin>Tomalex: you should be fine if your DHCP server is handing out only that dns server
09:21<Aleric>Are you using dhcp?
09:21<Tomalex>yes, but the router is doing that
09:21<Tomalex>I can set the DNS ip it broadcasts though
09:22<Tomalex>so the place is to just change it to my dns server ip once its working
09:22<Tomalex>plan*
09:22<mikegrb>how can I find an older version of a package for unstable? in this case rdiff-backup 1.1.12
09:22<Maulkin>That should be ok.
09:22<mikegrb>.13 and .14 are in pool
09:22<Maulkin>mikegrb: snapshot.debian.net
09:22<mikegrb>Maulkin: thanks
09:23<Maulkin>mikegrb: but they're not supported and may break (so be warned)
09:23[~]mikegrb nods
09:23<Aleric>Tomalex: I have in /etc/bind/named.conf.options, in options { }, a section:
09:23<Tomalex>Aleric: do you have an example of your zone files?
09:24<Aleric> forward only;
09:24<Aleric> forwarders {
09:24<Tomalex>what are forwarders?
09:24<petemc>i have a shell script to generate zone files
09:24<Aleric>list of IP, each line ending on ;
09:24<Aleric>};
09:24<Aleric>I update that list automatically when the ethernet card comes up.
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09:27<Aleric>Tomalex: In /etc/network/interfaces I have:
09:28<Aleric>auto eth1
09:28<Aleric>iface eth1 inet dhcp
09:28<Aleric> etc
09:28<Aleric> pre-up /etc/firewall/ansset.fw
09:28<Aleric> up /usr/local/bin/firewall-up
09:28<Aleric>Then in /usr/local/bin/firewall-up, have:
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09:29<Aleric>http://rafb.net/p/0cfToD72.html
09:29<Aleric>/etc/firewall/ansset.fw starts the firewall
09:30<Aleric>The egrep -B 1000 and on replaces the IP numbers of the external dns servers thus.
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09:32<Aleric>dhcp namely updates /etc/resolv.conf, but not /etc/bind/named.conf.options of course
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09:32<Aleric>I run /etc/firewall/ansset.fw also first from /etc/network/interfaces with pre-up .. I forgot why that was needed.
09:32<loqusiste>hey guys anyone able to help with a small problem?
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09:33<Aleric>Probably in order to get the dhcp to work :)
09:33<Aleric>Need to run it again from the 'up' script though.
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09:34<Aleric>/etc/firewall/ansset.fw is a script generated by Firewall Builder in my case (contains lots of iptables commands)
09:34<Aleric>Tomalex: ping?
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09:37<Tomalex>I'm not quite sure thats the same as what I want to do..
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09:37<Tomalex>I just need to supply internal IP's to my network for certain domains
09:38<petemc>as far as bind is concerned, internal ips are the same as external
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09:39<Tomalex>thats an interesting point!
09:39<Tomalex>so all i really need to do is setup a zone for the subdomains i want to resolve as internal ones?
09:39<petemc>right
09:39<Tomalex>I don't need to do any splits?
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09:39<petemc>not really
09:39<Tomalex>but can i have a zone for just a subdomain?
09:39<petemc>i use views, but i have a requirement for that..
09:40<petemc>of course
09:40<Tomalex>for example i would still want mydomain.com to resolve to the external ip
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09:40<Tomalex>but devel.mydomain.com to resolve to an internal
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09:41<petemc>just go ahead and try it, its not that hard
09:41<artur>ok thanks and sorry for silence. the reason I was asking i learned KDE 3.5.8 was released and wanted to check it out. it turns its packages are in sid
09:41<petemc>its trivial to set up views too, for that matter
09:41<padski>Tomalex: your internal IPs, these are rfc1918 addresses like eg: 192.168.0.0/24 ?
09:42<Tomalex>yes
09:42<Tomalex>well 192.168.254.0/24
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09:43<Kebianizao>Hello
09:44<Kebianizao>I'm on unstable. I have 2 printers configured and I'm trying to print on them. I'm sendind the test page but even the work is queued and send it's not printed
09:44<Tomalex>padski: so I just need to change the named.conf?
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09:44<Tomalex>or named.conf.local?
09:45<petemc>use named.conf.local
09:45<Kebianizao>these printers are network attached, one using a port duplicator and the other directly. I address them using ip:port
09:45<padski>just to point out that they are not really supposed to "leak" onto the internet in dns. the usual convention is "split dns" which is what I think you were planning anyway ...
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09:46<Kebianizao>these are the last lines of the cups erro log: http://paste.debian.net/40061
09:46<Tomalex>Yes i believe so
09:46<Tomalex>ok thanks guys ganna give it a go
09:48<Kebianizao>I wonder what cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided means
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09:50<artur>bye
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09:51<Kebianizao>any idea¿?
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10:12<crazytoon>Hi, all
10:12<crazytoon>french or english irc chan ?
10:12<cdlu>anglais
10:12<Maulkin>!fr
10:12<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
10:12<crazytoon>lol, avec une réponse grançaise ?
10:13<crazytoon>Est-ce qu'il y aurait des gratouilleurs de perl, dans l'assistance?
10:13<Maulkin>Be careful. You've just hit the limits of cdlu's French.
10:13<cdlu>heh
10:13<cdlu>I speak it fluently, actually. :)
10:13<Le_Vert_>comme tu ne l'as pas remarqué c'est un bot qui t'as répondu
10:13<Le_Vert_>exemple:
10:13<Le_Vert_>!es
10:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:13<cdlu>le_vert, c'est moi qui a repondu en francais en disant que on parle ici l'anglais. :)
10:14<Le_Vert_>ah vi :)
10:14<cdlu>but we digress :)
10:14<crazytoon>bon, j'aime bien les blagueurs, ça devrait bien se passer :)
10:14<Maulkin>un biere svp.
10:14<Maulkin>erm...
10:14<JasonS>me too please Maulkin
10:14<Maulkin>!beer JasonS
10:14[~]dpkg pours a litre of Jever for JasonS
10:14<crazytoon>J'eesaye de trouver un bout de code ou une librairie qui me permette d'évaluer les temps d'execution de fonctions perl
10:15<JasonS>a litre? sweet
10:15<crazytoon>!beer all
10:15[~]dpkg pours a pint of Yuengling Lager for all
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10:16<mikegrb>Maulkin: thanks, you are a life-saver, I guess I've seen snapshots mentioned on p.d.o or some such but have never used it before so didn't think about it
10:16<crazytoon>Y'a pas un p'tit mongueur dans le coin?
10:16<Maulkin>mikegrb: No problems.
10:16<cdlu>crazytoon, like we said, english channel. :)
10:17<seanius>!bierre all
10:17<Maulkin>cdlu: I meant in french
10:17<crazytoon>ok, let's ride it in english, so
10:17<Maulkin>but *shrug* :)
10:17<cdlu>maulkin, I've never tried French beer :)
10:17<Maulkin>heh
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10:18<seanius>i'm not sure there's any notable french biers, actually. at least for export
10:18<seanius>all the french trappist monks make wine :)
10:18<seanius>or other stuff
10:19<cdlu>crazytoon is asking, for reference, for something to measure the execution time of a function in perl
10:19[~]cdlu has no answer for this question
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10:19<seanius>istr there being a trappist monastery where they made some kind of pastry
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10:19<Onepamopa>;)
10:20<Maulkin>microtime() between function calls?
10:20<Maulkin>perl debugger may also be abel to do it. Not sure though
10:20<seanius>crazytoon: maybe Time::HiRes
10:21<JasonS>seanius: oh yes there are, ive had some excellent trappist beer
10:21<crazytoon>i'll try all this, so
10:22<seanius>JasonS: in *france*?
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10:22<seanius>afaik there are like 6 trappist breweries in teh world, and all but one are in belgium
10:22<seanius>the other is just over the border in holland
10:23<JasonS>ill have to buy one again this weekend to see seanius, assuming that pathetic excuse for a store has any in
10:24<JasonS>in any case the french have some excellent brews as do my neighbors to the south in the states
10:25<seanius>there are plenty of good beers with french on the label, but they mostly come from belgium or northeastern canada
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10:27<Maulkin>belgium beer++
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10:29<seanius>oh, look at the time
10:30<seanius>il faut que j'aille chez moi :)
10:32<Kebianizao>anyone in testing could tell me which package provides gs in testing?
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10:34<Maulkin>Kebianizao: look at packages.debian.org.
10:34<Maulkin>Kebianizao: there's a search box at the bottom
10:34<Maulkin>or:
10:34<Maulkin>!search
10:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ...
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10:34<Kebianizao>well, using apt-file I get gs is in ghoscript, but that's for sid, I'm looking for the one in testing
10:35<Kebianizao>I'll look again in p.d.o
10:35<Kebianizao>and again, no results in testing
10:35<Kebianizao>so testing now is unable to print as I see it
10:36<Kebianizao>:/ this is no good
10:37<Kebianizao>there's an alternative for gs, but after configuring it I don't have gs yet
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10:49<rem>witam
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10:59<apeitheo>haha, I've only been using debian four days and I've already found two bugs
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11:01<maxamillion>apeitheo: which branch?
11:01<apeitheo>maxamillion, stable
11:01<maxamillion>apeitheo: have you installed anything outside of the official repositories?
11:02<apeitheo>maxamillion, besides non-free and contrib, no
11:02<apeitheo>gaim crashes when given no input in a textbox
11:03<apeitheo>it's probably easy to fix
11:03<apeitheo>g_log: gaim_status_type_get_id: assertion `status_type != NULL' failed
11:03<maxamillion>apeitheo: what architecture? ... i've honestly been running debian stable for 8 years and never found a debian bug (found a python-xlib bug, but that was because the official project is lacking maintenance)
11:04<apeitheo>maxamillion, x86
11:04<maxamillion>huh ... that's strange
11:04<maxamillion>i don't have that issue with my gaim :/
11:04<maxamillion>i tried it just now
11:04<apeitheo>at the bottom
11:04<apeitheo>when you set it to "available," just don't type anything in (make sure it's blank) and push enter
11:04<maxamillion>yeah
11:04<maxamillion>did
11:04<apeitheo>it works for away and everything else, just not available
11:04<apeitheo>hmm
11:04<maxamillion>:(
11:04<maxamillion>strange
11:05<apeitheo>2.0.0beta5?
11:05<Kebianizao>maxamillion: can you confim it?
11:05<maxamillion>wait ... what on earth
11:05<maxamillion>just a sec
11:06<maxamillion>oh LOL
11:06<maxamillion>whew
11:06<maxamillion>i was doing "apt-cache show " in the wrong term window ... that one is ssh'd into a different box
11:06<apeitheo>haha
11:06<maxamillion>Architecture: i386
11:06<maxamillion>Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10
11:07<maxamillion>Kebianizao: confirm that it works?
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11:08<Kebianizao>maxamillion: well, I meant the bug, but I see you are not
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11:08<Kebianizao>(confirming it)
11:08<apeitheo>well it's not that big of an issue--I know C so I can take a look at the source later
11:08<maxamillion>apeitheo: okies, well good luck ... sorry i couldn't replicate and confirm :(
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11:18<Kebianizao>anyone running testing could do me a favour? dpkg -S *bin/gs
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11:18<martijn_1ablab>/statusboarar
11:18<martijn_1ablab>2Ddoh
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11:21<fxiny>Kebianizao: follow the symlink
11:22<fxiny>to be a symlink :)
11:22<fxiny>yeahhh is a joke . a kiling one ...
11:22<fxiny>ll*
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11:23<Kebianizao>fxiny: it wouldn't be so funny if this problem were preventing you printing for the whole afternoon and you had something urgent to print
11:23[~]fxiny wonders if Supa knows all the vborrowing is fine here
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11:23<fxiny>Kebianizao: on ethc is gs-gpl
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11:24<Kebianizao>fxiny: thanks but the problem is that I'm on unstable (yeah, I now what unstable means) and the new ghostscript pacakge use almost useless
11:24<fxiny>Kebianizao: oh yoy having trouble ? sorry for the sarcasm but i'm high on vservering .)
11:24<Kebianizao>so I had to downgrade
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11:25<Kebianizao>fxiny: np, I understand you didn't mean it
11:25<Kebianizao>:)
11:25<fxiny>Kebianizao: gs takes to alternatives... and then to /usr/bin/gs-gpl
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11:26<Kebianizao>the alternative is there, but gs is not I had to create it manually after upgrading and downgrading almost all gs related packages
11:26<fxiny>Kebianizao: it reads : /etc/alternatives/gs: symbolic link to `/usr/bin/gs-gpl'
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11:27<Kebianizao>I see, but I didn't have the /usr/bin/gs link to gs in alternatives, I didn't explained properly before...
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11:28<Kebianizao>I'm seeing this on the postinst script in gs-gpl:
11:28<Kebianizao>update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/gs gs /usr/bin/gs-gpl 20 \
11:28<Kebianizao> --slave /usr/share/man/man1/gs.1.gz gs.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1/gs-gpl.1.gz
11:28<fxiny>Kebianizao: i see know yours "dpkg -S *bin/gs"
11:28<Pag_XP>Hey everyone. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help me out with this weird problem I have discovered.
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11:29<Kebianizao>thing is the script is not being run on downgrade and hence the problem
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11:29<Pag_XP>I am installing Debian Etch on a REALLY old laptop - a Compaq LTE 5250. It has no USB, no CDROM, and so on. I downloaded the 5-floppy set for netinstall and did that.
11:29<Kebianizao>that line is for gs-gpl testing package
11:30<Pag_XP>Here is the problem: My PCMCIA LAN card works fine in the installer, but once I reboot into the installed system, PCMCIA is not working. cardctl says "no sockets found."
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11:30<Pag_XP>The NIC is an old "compaq ethernet adapter" with no model number on it.
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11:30<Pag_XP>But I know it works, cos I've tried it in (!) Win98. :)
11:30<Kebianizao>leaving now, thanks for the help
11:30<Kebianizao>;)
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11:34<Onepamopa>blah, so booring
11:34<fxiny>Onepamopa: boring ? try vserver :)
11:34<fxiny>nice game
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11:38<Onepamopa>fxiny, I have no time to try vserver ;)
11:39<Onepamopa>right now there are 25 optic cables, that are cutted from someone, and all phones are RED
11:39<Onepamopa>so, I'm pissed off..
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11:40<fxiny>hahah get ready the BOFH manual for answering calls :)
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11:41<Onepamopa>fxiny, no, I just recorded "emergency" message and turned auto-answering machine on
11:42<fxiny>Onepamopa: why why why ? you had a big chance to score high on BOFH planet :)
11:42<Onepamopa>ahah ;)
11:42<Onepamopa>no, thanks ;>
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11:42<Onepamopa>and tne funny thing is that we all know who did this, but we have no evidence..
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11:50<guillaume>Can privoxy/tor generate problem with aptitude ? I obtain error when I update packages info :connection to localhost: 4001 (127.0.0.1) unable. connect (111 connection fail)
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11:56<Onepamopa>God bless the SWAT Optics team ;)
11:56<Onepamopa>everything is almost up :>
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12:13<Frosties>hi
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12:26<guillaume>aptitude complain about connections to localhost: 4001 nobody know how to fix that ?
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12:27<guillaume>I set up my internet connection on direct link in network proxy but it didn't solve the problem
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13:01<Lin>hi there.. what is the better debian package proxy? Im looking for stability.
13:02<Lin>I have played a little with apt-proxy.
13:02<Eulex>I've used apt-cacher and it has worked well for me.
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13:02<Lin>Eulex: it can points to another proxy (as squid?)
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13:03<Eulex>Lin, I would be surprised if it couldn't.
13:03<Lin>Eulex: either.
13:03<Lin>;-)
13:03<Eulex>Lin, ... if the proxy just looks like an ordinary debian repo
13:03<Lin>yes. but it fetches and store locally
13:04<Lin>I will take a look on him
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13:04<apeitheo>I have two sound cards in my computer (one integrated and the other a pci card), debian automatically chooses the integrated one when I want it to choose the pci one--how do I change this? (i've already run alsaconf)
13:04<Eulex>the idea of a proxy is that it should look exactly like what it's mimicing for clients that is using it.
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13:04<Eulex>apeitheo, blacklist the modules of the integrated one
13:05<Eulex>*module(s)
13:05<Eulex>!tell apeitheo about blacklist
13:05<Lin>apeitheo: edit /etc/modules/alsa-base add a option to your board putting it as index=0 and the integrated as -1
13:05<Lin>is the my way to do it
13:05<Lin> !tell Lin about blacklist
13:06<Eulex>!tell Lin about selftell
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13:06<Lin>Eulex: LOL! thankz
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13:07<Eulex>Lin, you may play with the bot how much you want in /msg
13:07<Lin>I have read already
13:07<Lin>I didnt know
13:07<Lin>sorry
13:07<Eulex>np
13:09<apeitheo>thanks, bwt
13:09<apeitheo>btw*
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13:18<apeitheo>How can I tell if I'm using LVM?
13:19|-|mode/#debian [+l 335] by debhelper
13:19<ifvoid>apeitheo: lvs
13:19<ifvoid>(as root)
13:20<apeitheo>ifvoid, command doesn't exist--so I'm guessing I'm not using it?
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13:20<ifvoid>apeitheo: indeed
13:20<ifvoid>apeitheo: try ls /dev/mapper to be sure
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13:21<apeitheo>ifvoid, control
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13:21<apeitheo>I was just wondering if I could blacklist the dm_* modules since I'm not using lvm
13:21<ifvoid>apeitheo: ok, zo lvs is supported, but you're not using it
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13:23<apeitheo>How would I get the module snd_pcm_oss to load at boot? (I need it for /dev/dsp to exist)
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13:28<Cytrax>hey evening... I have just setup a debian server and for some reason httpd and mysql are runing multiple threads.. and they are chewing up LOTS of memory.. any idea howto limit the instances of those apps?
13:29<don_armstrong>Cytrax: uh... odds are they aren't using anywhere as much memory as you think
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13:30<Gathond>Cytrax: all the threads probably share the vast majority of that memory, its just reported for every thread/process
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13:31<Cytrax>http://pastebin.com/m5b426e2e
13:31<Gathond>if you really want to limit it, set the maximum connection limit in mysql very low, but that will probably add other problems
13:31<Gathond>so? its probably the same memory being shared between them so its counted multiple times
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13:32<don_armstrong>Cytrax: all of those mysql processes are probably using something on the order of 37M, and the apache 24M or so.
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13:33<Cytrax>when I do free -m it shows only 174 meg free
13:33<dondelelcaro>!free memory
13:33<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it.
13:33<dondelelcaro>Cytrax: you want to read the second line, not the last one
13:34<Gathond>Cytrax: look at the second line, not the first one
13:34<Gathond>Cytrax: that amount of used/free are without the buffers
13:34<Onepamopa>Cytrax, when some application needs ram, it gets from other apps, that currently don't need too much memory
13:34<Onepamopa>it's all dynamic
13:34<Cytrax>http://pastebin.com/m52664aef
13:34<Cytrax>okay so it just uses what it can get till another app steps in?
13:35<Gathond>diskcache
13:35<Gathond>and well other caches, but probably mostly the disk cache
13:35<dondelelcaro>Cytrax: of course; otherwise the ram is sitting there doing nothing. You actually have 860M free.
13:35<Gathond>of which you have 640 MB, so you are not in any great need for memory
13:35<dondelelcaro>(well, trivially freeable)
13:35<Cytrax>haha cool :)
13:35<Cytrax>thanks.. /panic over :)
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13:38<Rants>anyone know how to increase inode limit on kernel 2.6?
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13:39<Rants>anyone here live?
13:39<dli_>Rants, limit in kernel VFS or in fs?
13:39<dondelelcaro>Rants: /proc/sys/fs/inode-max if it exists, but generally it automatically scales
13:39<Rants>there is no inode-max and its not scalling
13:40<Rants>im showing 13 gig free but no inodes
13:40<dondelelcaro>Rants: uh... that's got nothing to do with the kenrel
13:40<dondelelcaro>Rants: if your filesystem needs more inodes than you've got, you'd have to reformat it to add more
13:40<Rants>ive been banging my head agains the wall for a few hours.
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13:40<dondelelcaro>Rants: or alternatively, delete small files
13:41<Rants>that probibly it.
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13:41<Rants>its a mail server
13:41<Rants>im sure there are a ton of small files in the mail directory
13:41<Rants>i was just looking for an easy way
13:41<dondelelcaro>then you're probably using maildir instead of mbox, and you didn't increase the number of inodes allocated to account for it
13:41<Rants>how do i do that?
13:41<dli_>Rants, use jfs, I know inode table is dynamic in jfs
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13:42<dondelelcaro>Rants: depends on the filesystem
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13:42<dondelelcaro>Rants: if it's ext2, it's an option to mke2fs
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13:42<Rants>i see.
13:43<dondelelcaro>Rants: df -i; will tell you if that's actually the problem first, though.
13:43<dondelelcaro>(and you can probably get around it for the meantime by using archivemail to turn some of your old mail in the maildir into an mbox)
13:43<Rants>its actually a spam filter server so there are no actual mailboxes on there.
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13:44<dondelelcaro>why do you have that many files, then?
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13:44<Rants>teh df -i shows 8 inodes free
13:44<Rants>the
13:44<Rants>there is alot of mail in there.
13:44<Rants>it queues to be delivered to the main mail server.
13:44<dondelelcaro>there shouldn't be 17 million queue items
13:45<Rants>true, im trying to locate where all the files are.
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13:45<dondelelcaro>Rants: what does df -i output for that filesystem?
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13:46<leikh>using cat, how can i add a value to an existing file?
13:46<dondelelcaro>leikh: using the append operator, >> in the shell.
13:47<leikh>dondelelcaro: thx
13:47<Rants>df - i /dev/mapper/volgroup01 6504448 6504436 12 100% /
13:47<dondelelcaro>ah, yeah, you've got 6.5 million files there
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13:47<dondelelcaro>though having a single / is going to make your life more difficult
13:48<Rants>yeah, i didnt set this up.
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13:48<dondelelcaro>Rants: anyway, the first thing to do is something like find / -type d -printf '%n %p\n'|sort -nr|less
13:48<dondelelcaro>Rants: the biggest number there will tell you the directory that has all of the files in it
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13:49<dondelelcaro>well, may tell you
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13:50<dondelelcaro>Rants: find / -type d -printf '%s %n %p\n'|sort -nr|less, rather
13:50<Rants>ok
13:51<guillaume>Is it possible to find the origine of $http_proxy ?
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13:52<george>guillaume: do you mean where the variable was set?
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13:52<george>(depends what you mean by "origins")
13:52<leikh>dondelelcaro: I understand how to append one file to another, but I don't understand how to get cat to append a value from command line to file...
13:54<dondelelcaro>leikh: you don't use cat to do that, you use echo
13:54<Eulex>leikh, echo "bar" >> file2
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13:54<leikh>ofcourse! stupid me :/
13:54<dondelelcaro>(or if you do, you use cat uselessly, like echo bar |cat >> file)
13:54<george>in some cases that's not so useless
13:54<Eulex>(and waste a process and cpu and ram)
13:54<guillaume>george: yes
13:55<dondelelcaro>there are very few cases where that's not useless... though there are some interesting things you can do with lots of less and >
13:55<dondelelcaro>(but if you want that, use sponge)
13:55<george>guillaume: so, you can look thru the code that sets that var, and grep for lines that contain the string http_proxy
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13:56<guillaume>george: is it possible to start grep on / ?
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13:56<hachi>I'm having problems with nscd in debian somehow failing. I know that restarting it fixes the problem. The symptom is that nss lookups for user data fails to retrieve it for ldap users
13:56<george>guillaume: oh, a recursive grep
13:57<george>yes, you can (man grep for the details, of course)
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13:57<dli_>hachi, it happens to me also :( have to restart nscd
13:57<sebastw>hello world
13:57<sebastw>can you help me ?
13:57<sebastw>I have problems with my wifi
13:57<dondelelcaro>hachi: are those new ldap users? or old ones?
13:57<sebastw>ipw3945: Error sending cmd #07 to daemon: time out after 500ms.
13:57<sebastw>ipw3945: Error sending SCAN_ABORT_CMD: time out after 500ms.
13:57<george>sure, here, have an ice cream cone
13:58<hachi>dondelelcaro: old ones, it forgets everybody over the course of a few hours
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13:58<sebastw>It freezes my computer after several times
13:58<hachi>dondelelcaro: I had my libnss-ldap pinned to 'stable' because that fixed the problem for like 2 years now. but now it's broken in stable too
13:59<hachi>I happen to be running testing at the moment, in an effort to bypass the problem
13:59<sebastw>Please help me
13:59<hachi>but that didn't work
13:59<george>sebastw: run memtest86 for awhile
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14:00<sebastw>george, it is not memory problem
14:01<sebastw>george, i have wifi problems thanks
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14:04<apeitheo>Is it okay to edit /etc/modules or should I make /etc/modules.local?
14:05<sebastw>apecat, ok
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14:08<dondelelcaro>hachi: best to turn on the logging then and see what is going on. I assume it can still talk to the ldap server, right?
14:09<hachi>it seems to be able to, now I have to find the logging. I'll report back once I find that
14:09<hachi>I mean, it works for a while
14:09<hachi>then it fails over time :\
14:10<dondelelcaro>it's in /etc/nscd.conf where you enable it
14:11<dondelelcaro>hachi: yeah, that kind of sounds like the data is going out of the cache and it's not able to contact the ldap server anymore to me, anyway
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14:12<sebastw>Nothing for me please ?
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14:16<george>sebastw: please rule out any possibility of hardware problems: motherboard, video, ram, any attached cards. a freeze leads me to believe that is a possibility
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14:22<Onepamopa>sebash, what wi-fi problems ?
14:23<Onepamopa>blah
14:23<Onepamopa>george, what's up ? ;)
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14:31<grasn>someone can tell me how i can change the size of the desktop icons?
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14:32<Onepamopa>grasn, control center
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14:32<Onepamopa>appearance & themes
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14:32<grasn>where do i find the control center, im realy new to debian
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14:32<Onepamopa>Click on K
14:32<grasn>i don't have K, i got the NetInst
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14:33<Onepamopa>blah, you use gnome?
14:33<grasn>i have Aplications Places and Desktop on top
14:33<grasn>yeah
14:33<Onepamopa>sorry, I cant help you
14:33<Onepamopa>I hate gnome
14:33<Onepamopa>;)
14:33<grasn>it sexy xD
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14:33<Onepamopa>but, there will be something like control center or control panel maybe
14:33<Onepamopa>so, look around
14:33<grasn>what u have if you dont use gnom? console?
14:33<Onepamopa>kde
14:33<Onepamopa>;)
14:34<grasn>oh
14:34<grasn>i thout gnome is a aplication of kde
14:34<Onepamopa>no, gnome is another kind of GUI
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14:34<grasn>can i install kde, and gnome and switch between?
14:34<Onepamopa>if u want kde, just apt-get install it
14:34<grasn>oki thx xD
14:34<Onepamopa>well, it's possible
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14:34<Eulex>grasn, tried right-clicking on the desktop to find properties or settings for it?
14:35<grasn>yeah
14:35<grasn>i only can change desktop bg
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14:37<grasn>Onepamopa, can u tell me wich packages i need to install to run KDE? i don't know how to use APT, i only know Synaptic Package Manager
14:37<Eulex>!install kde
14:37<dpkg>from memory, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.
14:37<grasn>cool thx
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14:40<grasn>oh theres about 100 packages i find in Synaptic Package Manager
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14:41<Onepamopa>grasn, you can just apt-get install kde*
14:41<Onepamopa>this will install all (I think)
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14:42<Eulex>Onepamopa, kde should be enough.
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14:42<Onepamopa>;)
14:43<grasn>oki i try
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14:43<Eulex>Onepamopa, he probably doesn't want to install -dev and -dbg packages for a lot of stuff.
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14:43<grasn>i just typed apt-get install kde* and it installed something, can u tell me how i need to go on to run KDE
14:43<Onepamopa>Eulex, maybe
14:44<Eulex>Onepamopa, oh, and not locales for any thinkable and unthinkable language
14:44<Onepamopa>ahaha, yeah
14:44<Onepamopa>;)
14:44<Onepamopa>well, if he speaks chineese ... ;)
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14:45<Eulex>grasn, log out, choose kde as session from gdm.
14:45<grasn>oki i'll try
14:45<Onepamopa>I have to ask.. is it a problem if I resize the main riserfs partition?
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14:45<Onepamopa>it's currently too small
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14:46<Eulex>Onepamopa, I'd answer 'not if done properly'. if you're asking whether you can do it while it is mounted, I'd answer "if ricerfs supports it"
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14:47<Onepamopa>well, I think to do it when its unmounted
14:47<Onepamopa>but I don't know wich tool to use
14:47<grasn>i cannot choose KDE from session in login screen :(
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14:48<Onepamopa>grasn, restart X server
14:48<Onepamopa>ctrl alt backspace
14:48<Onepamopa>and try again
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14:48<Eulex>Onepamopa, perhaps resize_reiserfs from reiserfsprogs? ;)
14:48<Onepamopa>don't know, ;)
14:48<Onepamopa>I'll try after work
14:49<Eulex>Onepamopa, parted may also support it.
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14:49<Onepamopa>I thought that 8 gigs would be enough ..
14:49<Eulex>that is, being a front-end to resize_reiserfs
14:49<Onepamopa>Eulex, thanks ;>
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14:49<grasn>i tried, i only can choose: GNOME, Metacity and TWM
14:50<Onepamopa>grasn, konsole, then: whereis kde
14:50<grasn>k
14:50<Onepamopa>and if it didnt find kde, then you don't installed kde
14:50<Onepamopa>:)
14:50<grasn>it says: kde: /usr/include/lde
14:50<grasn>kde*
14:50<Onepamopa>only?
14:50<Eulex>grasn, is ksmserver installed?
14:50<grasn>yo
14:51<grasn>sec let me see
14:51<|Brad|>grasn, do apt-get install kde, /not/ apt-get install kde*
14:51<Onepamopa>grasn, apt-get install kde kdm
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14:51<grasn>oki ^^
14:51<Onepamopa>|Brad|, well, apt-get install kde* does the job for me
14:51<Eulex>Onepamopa, you're not expecting 'kde' to be a binary, right? because it's not. modern desktops are at least somewhat modular. unlike fluxbox.
14:52<Onepamopa>Eulex, no, but it will find it somewhere
14:52<Eulex>Onepamopa, you're dragging in lots of stuff you'll never need
14:52<Onepamopa>in this case, it didnt
14:52<Eulex>Onepamopa, nor want
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14:52<Eulex>Onepamopa, man whereis
14:52<grasn>oky, now it is donwloading about 500 MB xD
14:52<|Brad|>Onepamopa, mm, that doesn't work in zsh :)
14:53<Onepamopa>grasn, 500 ?>!?!?!?
14:53<Onepamopa>WOW
14:53<Eulex>Onepamopa, there's no binary named kde, then it looks for source (headers) and then man pages. what use are headers and man pages for him?
14:53<grasn>ehh, no 178, and it says after extracting its 500 mb ^^
14:53<Onepamopa>Eulex, I know that there's no binary named kde
14:54<grasn>what is a cool irc client? i use pidgin atm, it doenst look good at all
14:54<Onepamopa>I told him to do whereis kde, so I can see if he installed kde at all
14:54<Onepamopa>grasn, use xchat, or konversation
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14:54<grasn>ok xD
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14:55<Eulex>Onepamopa, at least he got some headers that he doesn't need :P
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14:55<Onepamopa>well, he can delete them very easy ;)
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14:56<Onepamopa>brb, problems again..
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14:58<Iconsumed>I am having problems with my HP laserjet 1018 again... I have no idea what to do, it won't print...
14:59<jthomas>has anyone heard of EasyChair database software? does anyone know where I can read about it?
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14:59<Iconsumed>and when I run hp-setup it doesn't find any printer, så I have to enter manually the usb info and then when I finally click install it says the printer is in ann errorous state
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14:59<Iconsumed>altho I already had a printer installed so that shouldn't be the problem but I don't know what to do
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15:00<grasn>oki now i have apt-get install kde, it want me to configure KDM, wich should i chose, as desire default display manager? gdm kdm
15:00<jthomas>kdm for kde
15:00<grasn>ok
15:00<jthomas>unless you want it to look gnome-ish (gdm)
15:01<grasn>cool thx
15:01<grasn>i want kde xD
15:01<jthomas>thank goodness!
15:01<Iconsumed>it was working but then I was testing this other konica minolta printer and now none of them work...
15:01<grasn>lol
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15:02<Iconsumed>someone? or is there a more suitable channel for printer problems?
15:02<jthomas>maybe #cups on freenode?
15:02<jthomas>sorry, i don't know
15:02<jthomas>or contact HP, they wrote the software
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15:03<jthomas>have you power-cycled the printer, to maybe get it out of its erronious state?
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15:03<Iconsumed>yes
15:03<jthomas>yep i'm outta ideas
15:03<Iconsumed>but I don't think there is an error..
15:03<Iconsumed>ok
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15:04<jthomas>try restarting the print server? /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
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15:05<Iconsumed>tried it now (altho it was cupsys, not cupsd for me)
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15:09<grasn>hey i like kde, where do i get new themes
15:09<grasn>its much faster then gnome now
15:09<ifvoid>art.kde.org or so?
15:09<grasn>cool
15:09<JasonS>kde-look.org too iirc
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15:20<stan_ley>hey i got problem, SSH stops my internet access for other apps
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15:22<grasn>has xchat a theme system?
15:22<grasn>and i cannot see a userlist in xchat
15:23<JasonS>grasn: most likely
15:23<cahoot>drag the right border
15:23<grasn>ahh thx ^^
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15:36<grasn>can someone tell me how i install a new KDE theme? i just downloaded tgz archive wich has a install and usr folder
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15:42<rob>damn :P
15:42<Onepamopa>blah
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15:42<janosch>Pino ?
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15:51<hachi>I edited /etc/locale.gen manually on my machine and now anytime I pick 'all locales' during dpkg-reconfigure locales, it only builds the ones in that file. How do I repopulate that file?
15:53<hachi>hmm, doesn't seem to be paying any attention to that file, cause I just moved it out of the way and it's still only building like 5 locales
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15:54<hachi>configure step of locales is generating its list of locales from someplace else, where can I find it?
15:56<hachi>ahh, /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
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15:59<hachi>ahh, there we go, it was a symlink and I had overwritten the source file
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16:07<donny>at work, just installed etch on a dell dimension 4400 from disc 1. when i brought in my laptop running debian, it worked fine here. the system i just installed, however, cannot reach outside the lan. i wanted to diagnose the problem with tcpdump but was disappointed to find that it wasn't installed. any help?
16:08[~]donny tries installing tcpdump from cd
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16:10<donny>what package contains tcpdump? the only thing apt-cache search told me was libpcap0.8
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16:10<interbird>donny: can you be a bit more specific? using dhcp? did the dell get an ip? does route -n show a valid route?
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16:10<dkr>donny: uhm, the package is called tcpdump
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16:11<donny>interbird: sorry, yes, using dhcp. route seemed to look right, what does -n do?
16:11<donny>dkr: hmm, i guess i don't have a full package list then
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16:11<dkr>donny: well, yeah, you are using apt-cache, so only looking through files on your netinst cd, likely
16:11<donny>i thought cd1 would come with a full package list, i guess that would be kinda silly
16:11<interbird>-n tries not to resolve names
16:12<donny>interbird: good call, it hangs on the default gateway forever without -n
16:12<donny>well the records i get from route are:
16:12<donny>10.0.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
16:13<donny>0.0.0.0 10.0.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
16:14<donny>for a little while i thought there might be a mac-address whitelist in use, but then i remembered that i had brought my laptop in here and it worked fine
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16:14<interbird>can you ping the gateway ?
16:15<donny>yes, and i can rech other computer on the lan
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16:16<donny>reach*
16:16<interbird>looks like your name resolving is broken, first try restarting the network as root: /etc/init.d/networking restart
16:16<donny>oh, well i mean
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16:16<donny>name resolution would break if i couldn't reach beyond the lan, right?
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16:16<donny>and i loooked up some IP addresses on another systme and tried to ping them from debian, and it said no route to host
16:17<interbird>depends on where your dns is located
16:17<donny>so i don't think this is merely a name resolution problem
16:17<Eulex>donny, without a local dns server; yes.
16:17<donny>hmm, true, i suppose
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16:17<donny>oh for the record, i forgot to mention
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16:17<donny>it couldn't reach the internet during install either, but i eventually gave up and decided it would be easier to troubleshoot the problem after finishing the basic installation
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16:18<grasn>can someone tell me how i can set VLC-Lan to my default video player?
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16:18<donny>interbird: i restarted networking and it wiped my routing table
16:18<anessen>My Prism 2.5 card won't connect after I reinstalled Etch. It is using the HostAP drivers, but it won't connect to my network. When the system boots, it keeps repeating BSSID: 44:44:44:44:44:44 and Association Failed
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16:19<interbird>donny: check /etc/resolv.conf for correct nameserver
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16:19<donny>interbird: ok.. but why? my routing table is wiped. name resolution will always fail now unless it's in /etc/hosts
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16:20<interbird>routing tables will be recreated after restarting networking
16:20<donny>interbird: says "search cypresscom.net"and then two nameserver entires
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16:20<donny>interbird: thinking back, i remember now that its guess at the domain i was a part of was cypresscom.net
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16:20<interbird>there you go
16:21<donny>hmm
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16:22<interbird>if ping 64.233.183.103 works, you have connection to the outside
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16:22<interbird>if ping www.google.com does notwork, you have a resolv probbie
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16:22<donny>interbird: ok but... i did mention that i couldn't ping, for instance, the ip address of one of google's web servers
16:23<donny>interbird: so i'm still confused as to how resolv.conf could have done that
16:23<interbird>how are you connected to the inet? directly, router, gateway computer?
16:24<donny>interbird: i honestly don't know how many layers of NATs i may be behind
16:25<donny>interbird: but the clue that they shouldn't cause a problem on their own is that my laptop did work here
16:25<donny>interbird: after reboot resolv.conf was regenerated, as you mentioned it should be
16:25<One\PiZZA>interbird, nasty nickname
16:25<donny>interbird: what am i supposed to change?
16:26<One\PiZZA>the company that makes problems to our company has that name
16:26<One\PiZZA>;)
16:26<One\PiZZA>donny, check your nameservers (DNS)
16:26<One\PiZZA>/etc/resolv.conf
16:26<donny>One\PiZZA: no, go away
16:26<interbird>One\PiZZA: you told me the same several days ago but then under a different nick
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16:27[~]donny sighs
16:27<donny>i've forgotten the location of the networking/interfaces file somehow
16:27<One\PiZZA>interbird, I don't think so
16:27<One\PiZZA>;)
16:27<interbird>i do
16:27<donny>oh
16:27<donny>it's just network/interfaces
16:28<donny>i thought it was networking...
16:28<One\PiZZA>nevermind me ;)
16:28<interbird>donny: maybe traceroute can help
16:28<donny>interbird: well for some reason my routing table is still empty even after reboot
16:29<interbird>and the machine has an ip?
16:29<donny>no it didn't... for some reason when i rebooted, dhclient either didn't run, or failed
16:29<donny>but i ran it now and it worked, but i'm still back to the old problem
16:30<interbird>but you have a route now?
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16:30<donny>interbird: yes, same as before
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16:32<interbird>donny: is the ip of your gateway 10.0.1.1? what is the ip of the etch-box? netmask?
16:33<donny>interbird: yes, and the ethc box is 10.0.0.22
16:33<interbird>ahh, and your netmask is 255.255.255.0 ?
16:33<donny>yes
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16:34[~]donny isn't entirely clear on the goings-on of networking technology
16:34<interbird>10.0.1.1 gateway cannot be reached by 10.0.0.22 client with netmask 255.255.255.0
16:34<donny>interbird: what should the netmask be then?
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16:35<donny>and.. how can i change it?
16:35<donny>and also, why did it work on my other etch dsystem?
16:35<interbird>donny: incorrect what i said
16:35<donny>so many questions...
16:35<donny>oh (
16:35<donny>:(
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16:36<interbird>can you ping 10.0.1.1?
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16:37<donny>yes
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16:37<interbird>can you paste the output of ifconfig and route -n on #flood?
16:38<donny>hmmm
16:38<interbird>hmmm, dontwant or dontknow?
16:38<interbird>or difficult
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16:39<donny>interbird: gotta find a way to get it to the computer i'm chatting from ;)
16:39<donny>good thing i installed apache
16:39<interbird>ahh,ok
16:39<jthomas>does anyone know of a good PPTP client for KDE? (point-(to)-point tunneling protocol)
16:39<donny>it's unfortunate that home directories aren't enabled by default
16:40<interbird>security
16:41<interbird>donny: you can also catch the output and scp it to you chatbox
16:41<donny>ok i got it
16:41<donny>my chatbox is winblows server 2000 :(
16:41<interbird>ahh
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16:42<donny>interbird: freenode says i must be invited to #flood
16:43<donny>or did i do that on the wrong irc server?
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16:43<interbird>just join the channel
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16:43<donny>interbird: it kicked me, maybe i need a registered nick?
16:43|-|donny changed nick to donaldo
16:43|-|donaldo changed nick to donny
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16:44<interbird>donny: irc.debian.org #flood
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16:46<donny>17:36 [debian] -!- Cannot join to channel #flood (You must be invited)
16:46<interbird>?
16:47<interbird>what chatprog you use?
16:47<donny>interbird: irssi
16:47<donny>interbird: http://blackstreet.strangled.net:13666/~donny/download.php?file=/home/donny/incoming/dump.txt&view=browser
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16:49<interbird>donny: that looking ok
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16:49<donny>that's what i thought... but clearly something is wrong...
16:49<donny>unless something changed between today and yesterday
16:49<donny>which... i suppose is possible, the internet was acting funny this morning
16:50<donny>oh well, i'm gonna go home, and tomorrow i'll try to bring in my laptop and see if it has mysteriously stopped working
16:50<donny>thanks a lot for your help interbird, if you come up with a solution and want to tell me, just msg it to me
16:50<interbird>can you try ping 64.233.183.103 or 194.109.6.66 please
16:50[~]donny sighs
16:50<donny>alright...
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16:51<donny>oh, i could have sshed into the etch system from windows to get that info to you, lol
16:51<donny>why didn't i think of that...
16:52<donny>interbird: tried the first ip (64.233.183.103) and ping is still hanging
16:52[~]donny tries ip #2
16:52<donny>(96 packets lost)
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16:53<interbird>could be ICMP gets blocked; does a browser connect on the etch-box ?
16:53<donny>hmm
16:53<donny>well DNS packets are getting blocked -- are those also ICMP? i can't remember. seems a likely candidate
16:54<interbird>ping is ICMP
16:54<donny>interbird: right, but ping isn't the only thing getting blocked
16:54<interbird>did you try traceroute to see where stuff blocks ?
16:54<donny>interbird: you asked if a browser would connected -- presumedly to test TCP
16:54<interbird>yep
16:54<donny>interbird: i'll try traceroute now. what route should i trace?
16:55<interbird>i can ping 194.109.6.66 from a shell here so i suggest that as a target to see where it blocks
16:56<donny>ok
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16:56<donny>i am getting absolutely no output from traceroute beyond the first line
16:56<donny>it seems, anyhow
16:56<donny>oh wait
16:56<donny>i got one
16:56<donny>is there a traceroute option to disbable dns resolution?
16:57<donny>-n seems tow ork
16:57<donny>well it reaches 10.0.1.1 fine
16:57<interbird>-n :-)
16:57<donny>all asterisks after that
16:57<donny>on 4th hop now
16:57<donny>5...
16:58<donny>6
16:58<interbird>are you outside your lan already ?
16:58<donny>allegedly
16:58<donny>but it's all asterisks
16:58<donny>so it could be a lie
16:59<donny>hey if you run ethereal on a system pingably by the internet, i could try pinging that, or sending tcp connection requests, and you could see if anything got through
16:59<interbird>i would boot the dell with knoppix to see what that does. to eliminate local system (mis) configuration
16:59<grasn>how can i save the fstab as root, it says i don't have permissions. i don't know how to edit with console
16:59<donny>however at this point i think i'm just going to cgo home, and bring my laptopt in in the morning
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16:59<donny>interbird: yeah, good point
16:59<donny>thanks interbird, seeya
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16:59<interbird>bye
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17:00<interbird>grasn: save your modified fstab in your home-dir for now
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17:01<grasn>ok i tried but it says the same no permissions
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17:01<grasn>ah ok got it
17:01<interbird>what editor are you using to modify fstab?
17:02<grasn>i have it saved in my home folder now
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17:02<interbird>grasn: do you know what fstab is used for?
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17:03<grasn>i want to mount a hd partition on startup, i think it tells the system wich partitions should be loaded
17:03<interbird>ok
17:03<interbird>login on a terminal as root
17:03<grasn>k
17:03<interbird>cd /etc
17:03<interbird>cp -a fstab fstab.ok
17:04<grasn>oki
17:04<grasn>done
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17:04<grasn>thats it?
17:04<interbird>cp -a /home/#your-normal-userid-here/saved-fstab /etc
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17:05<Zauriel>hi hi, anyone there?
17:05<interbird>cat /etc/fstab to see that this is the one you modified
17:05<Zauriel>i have a question
17:05<interbird>!ask
17:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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17:06<grasn>i have the fstab directly in my home/user-id
17:06<Zauriel>ok, so i have a f500 series compaq laptop with windows vista on one partition and a dual boot set up for debian 4,0 etch, and whenever i try to start x or Xorg i get this flashy white and black screen that's just abstract
17:06<grasn>it says saved-fstab no such file or directory
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17:07<interbird>grasn: by saved-fstab i meant the name you saved fstab in your home-dir. could be fstab as a name too
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17:07<interbird>cp -a /home/#your-normal-userid-here/fstab /etc
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17:08<grasn>so cp -a /home/grasn/fstab /etc
17:08<Zauriel>so yeah,.....
17:09<grasn>it says no such file or directory
17:09<grasn>ah ok
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17:09<grasn>now it works
17:10<grasn>thx interbird, i'lltry if the hd is now mounted
17:10<interbird>Zauriel: looks like your /etc/xorg.conf is not configured correctly. try the vesa driver
17:10<interbird>grasn: you don't have to reboot for that
17:11<Zauriel> how/
17:11<grasn>is it mounted now?
17:11<hachi>is it a normal thing to want to cronjob 'apt-get update' to run like, daily or something?
17:11<hachi>or even just weekly
17:11<interbird>what mountpoint did you assign ?
17:12<grasn>/dev/hdb5 /home/grasn/windows/music vfat defaults,uid=grasn,gid=windisk,dmask=027,umask=137 0 0
17:12<interbird>Zauriel: open a terminal as root
17:12<grasn>i had the problem, that i couldn't access the hd after mounting, it said no permissions
17:12<grasn>oh
17:12<grasn>i guess its ntfs
17:12<Zauriel>if i start in single user mose will that count as a terminal?
17:12<grasn>damn ^^
17:13<interbird>grasn: ntfs can be mounted in several ways and access can also be defined in several ways
17:14<grasn>oki, im very new to debian, can u tell me if this is done correctly?
17:14<grasn>or how can i test if it works?
17:14<interbird>Zauriel: you are in text-modus now?
17:14<Zauriel>no, this is the box, i have vista loaded right now
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17:14<Zauriel>but i can write out the commands
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17:15<interbird>grasn: you mounted the partition to a directory. as root mount /#your-mount-point# your ntfs files should appear
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17:16<interbird>Zauriel: Sorry, I cannot not help you solving a Linux problem if you are not in it
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17:16<grasn>i tried: mount /dev/hdb5 /windows/music <- as root, but i could not access after
17:16<Zauriel>ok, leme get on here through a diff laptop and i'll loginto Debian on here
17:16<Zauriel>bbl
17:17<interbird>grasn: does fdisk -l /dev/hdb5 give type 7 ?
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17:19<grasn>it says: partition table entries are not in disk order
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17:19<grasn>i cant find a type
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17:21<interbird>grasn: sorry wrong command, the right one: fdisk -l /dev/hdb and look what the type is for entry hdb5
17:21<grasn>id=7
17:22<interbird>ok
17:22<grasn>HPFS/NTFS
17:22<interbird>are you in a root terminal?
17:22<grasn>yo, as root
17:22<interbird>mkdir /1
17:22<grasn>in /home/?
17:22<grasn>im in /etc/
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17:22<grasn>ok done
17:22<interbird>thats ok, /1 means we are making the dir in the root
17:23<grasn>oki
17:23<interbird>mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb5 /1
17:23<interbird>ls /1
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17:23<interbird>ntfs file should list
17:23<zaurel>ok, back and at my prompt
17:23<grasn>yeah they do
17:23<interbird>mount -l
17:23<interbird>it shows all mountes filessystems
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17:24<interbird>for the ntfs line you should have something similair in fstab
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17:24<interbird>man mount and scrolling down for the ntfs options will tell you more
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17:24<grasn>so only: /dev/hdb5 /1 ?
17:24<interbird>no
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17:24<interbird>this was just a test
17:25<interbird>umount /
17:25<interbird>sorry
17:25<interbird>umount /1
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17:25<interbird>zaurel:Zauriel ?
17:25<zaurel>yeah
17:25<grasn>ok
17:26<interbird>zaurel: are you on the box with the x problem?
17:26<zaurel>yeah
17:26<grasn>damn i had opened the disks dialog its stucked ill relogin ^^
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17:26<interbird>zaurel: cd /etc/X11
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17:27<zaurel>no such file or directory
17:27<zaurel>and it is connected to the internet too
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17:27<zaurel>ok, nvm
17:27<interbird>zaurel: dpkg --list | grep xorg
17:28<zaurel>lol, i did a lowercase x, i forgot it was case sensitive
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17:28<interbird>zaurel: in /etc/X11 do: cp -a xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup
17:28<zaurel>ok, in that directory now
17:28<zaurel>kk
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17:29<zaurel>ok, did it
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17:30<interbird>nano xorg.conf
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17:30<zaurel>ok
17:31<interbird>scroll down to: Section "Device"
17:31<zaurel>ok
17:31<zaurel>leme type it out
17:31<interbird>What does driver say ?
17:31<grasn>interbird, but how can i find out, wich is the correct line to mount the hd automaticly?
17:31<zaurel>nv
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17:31<interbird>no type... scroll down and read
17:31<zaurel>it says nv
17:33<interbird>grasn: /dev/hdb5 /mnt/windowsE ntfs defaults,ro,locale=en_US.UTF-8
17:33<interbird>grasn: in fstab
17:33<grasn>thx i try
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17:33<interbird>grasn: mkdir /mnt/windows
17:34<interbird>zaurel: replace nv with vesa
17:34<grasn>ok and then /dev/hdb5 /mnt/windows ntfs defaults,ro,locale=en_US.UTF-8
17:34<grasn>or with E
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17:34<interbird>E is a typing error
17:34<dx>i can't stop coughing can anybody suggest an alternative?
17:34<One\PiZZA>grasn, apt-get install ntfs-3g
17:34<One\PiZZA>r/w
17:34<One\PiZZA>;)
17:34<interbird>first read then write
17:35<zaurel>ok
17:35<One\PiZZA>dx, alternative for?
17:35<zaurel>it says "vesa" now instead of "nv"
17:35<grasn>could not find package ntfs-3g
17:35<jrolland-iMac>What is a good GUI FTP/SFTP program for GNOME?
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17:35<interbird>zaurel: Control-X
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17:36<dli_>jrolland-iMac, nautilus
17:36<interbird>grasn: advice: use ntfs for now and not ntfs-3g before you learn more about mounting
17:37<One\PiZZA>yeah\
17:37<zaurel>ok
17:37<zaurel>saved it
17:37<grasn>oki, i updated my fstab, how can i see if it works, do i need to relogin?
17:37<interbird>zaurel: xinit
17:37<One\PiZZA>no
17:37<jrolland-iMac>dli: thanks
17:37<One\PiZZA>grasn, it just works, no reboot/relogin
17:37<zaurel>same thing
17:37<interbird>grasn: as root: mount /mnt/windows
17:37<E0x>grasn: mount -a
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17:38<E0x>or how interbird say
17:38<zaurel>black and white shifting around, no defined picture
17:38<One\PiZZA>zaurel, what's your gpu?
17:38<zaurel>geforce go 6100
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17:39<grasn>interbird, it says hdb5 is allready mounted to home/grasn/windows/music
17:39<One\PiZZA>well.. are you sure that your monitor isnt damaged or something?
17:39<zaurel>gauranteed
17:39<zaurel>i can still load windows and everything just fine
17:39<zaurel>only get this when i go to start x
17:39<One\PiZZA>well, did you try with xorgconfig ?
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17:40<interbird>grasn: does ls /home/grasn/windows/music show the same as we tested with /1? then you already made it mount
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17:40<zaurel>xorgxonfig dont work
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17:41<One\PiZZA>zaurel, paste your xorg.conf somewhere
17:41<zaurel>ok back at my prompt
17:41<One\PiZZA>blah, sorry
17:41<One\PiZZA>;)
17:41<janux-xmind>hi guy!
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17:41<interbird>zaurel: One\PiZZA seems willing to help you further. a backup of your X configuration-file is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
17:42<janux-xmind>does anyone have some skills in php?
17:42<interbird>i have a php book here?
17:42<grasn>yeah, i made it mount, but i couldnt access it with konqueror it always said i dont have permissions
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17:43<zaurel>i cant paste my conf
17:43<zaurel>i cant get into x or anything to do anything
17:43<One\PiZZA>zaurel, well, private..
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17:43<interbird>grasn: as i said, mounting it in fstab requires additional setting for access. man mount for more info
17:44<grasn>oki thx
17:44<interbird>grasn: as i said, mounting it in fstab requires additional setting for access. man mount for more inf
17:44<mashihabong>There is anyone knowing about hacking gnome menu?
17:44<grasn>i wil lsee
17:44<grasn>thx
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17:45<interbird>mashihabong: there is a program for it: Alacarte or Gnome menu-editor
17:45<mashihabong>After I installs XFCE, some items on the menu used to work with Nautilus are now working Thunar.
17:45<mashihabong>oh
17:45<mashihabong>i will try that
17:45<mashihabong>thanks :D
17:45<interbird>mashihabong: XFCE menu is not the same as Gnome menu
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17:49<interbird>zaurel: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose vesa
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18:01<neurocypher>how can i open a graphical program on a specific display from a terminal or ssh?
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18:03<dondelelcaro>neurocypher: DISPLAY="..." fooprog;
18:03<neurocypher>before the command?
18:03<dondelelcaro>yes
18:03<neurocypher>DISPLAY=:0 firefox
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18:04<interbird>neurocypher: you have to start an X-server on that terminal first, like xinit -- :1
18:05<neurocypher>it worked
18:05<neurocypher>i was opening it via ssh for my son on his computer
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18:06<neurocypher>thanks
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18:09<neurocypher>can i log my son in to an xsession from ssh?
18:09<neurocypher>he's on his own computer
18:09<grasn>interbird, i checked the man mount, and made the fstab like they say. but if i run as a user: mount /dev/hdb5 it says: warning no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5
18:10<One\PiZZA>grasn, just enter new line
18:10<One\PiZZA>at the end of fstab
18:10<One\PiZZA>and save it
18:10<grasn>a new line?
18:10<interbird>grasn: first edit fstab and make sure there is an empty line at the end then save it
18:10<grasn>ahh oki
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18:11<interbird>grasn: past your /etc/fstab on #flood and i will edit it and paste it back
18:11<grasn>ok
18:11<grasn>Channel is invite only).
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18:12<interbird>we've been there :-)
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18:12<rtmex>Hello all, how can I check if a variable is a valid date in bash?
18:12<grasn>interbird, (Channel is invite only).
18:12<neurocypher>can i log my son in to an xsession from ssh?
18:13<One\PiZZA>neurocypher, log what ?!?
18:13<interbird>grasn: paste only the hdb5 line from your fstab here then
18:14<grasn>/dev/hdb5 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,user,noauto,unhide
18:14<neurocypher>sorry, let me explain my set up
18:14<neurocypher>i'm on my laptop and he's on his desktop
18:14<neurocypher>he's having problems typing passwords and stuff
18:14<neurocypher>i ssh into his box
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18:14<One\PiZZA>and ?
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18:15<neurocypher>can i log him into the gdm prompt from ssh on my laptop
18:15<One\PiZZA>no, you cant
18:15<One\PiZZA>but you can run vncserver on your machine
18:15<One\PiZZA>and he can connect to it using vncclient
18:16<One\PiZZA>its like windoze's remote desktop
18:16<interbird>or use xdmcp if you are both linux and on a local network
18:16<neurocypher>oh well
18:16<neurocypher>that won't work quit the way i was thinking
18:16<neurocypher>thanks anyway
18:17<interbird>neurocypher: xdmcp
18:17<grasn>interbird, /dev/hdb5 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,user,noauto,unhide
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18:18<interbird>grasn: that looks good
18:18<interbird>what's the prob?
18:18<neurocypher>ok
18:18<neurocypher>thank you bud
18:19<grasn>interbird, i added a line after this. now i type as user: mount /dev/hdb5 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5, missing codepage or other error
18:19<interbird>grasn: only, the noauto means it won't mount at boot. change to auto to have it do so
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18:20<interbird>mount -t ntfs -o user,unhide /dev/hdb5 /mnt/windows
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18:20<interbird>like we did with the /1 test
18:20<grasn>i try
18:21<rtmex>I have this oneliner find / -perm /a+x -perm /a+s -printf "%u:%g:%h/%f:%Tx:%y\n" |awk -F ':' '{if ($4>"date +%m/%d/%Y") {print "mayor "$4} else {print "menor "$4}}'
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18:21<interbird>grasn: also, the ntfs partition has to be clean. boot doze and do a chkdsk c: /f to clean it
18:21<grasn>its the same error
18:21<interbird>grasn: also, the ntfs partition has to be clean. boot doze and do a chkdsk c: /f to clean it
18:21<grasn>ohh, there are all my mp3s on it :>
18:21<zaurel>hey intebird
18:22<zaurel>i go a quick question
18:22<zaurel>how to i reassemble a xorg.config ?
18:22<grasn>can't i mount a ntfs with files on it?
18:22<rtmex>I need to replace date +%m/%d/%Y with date -d "`lastlog -u $1|grep $1|awk -F ' ' '{print $4,$5,$8}'`" +%m/%d/%Y
18:22<interbird>grasn: of course
18:22<rtmex>any ideas?
18:22<interbird>zaurel: did you dpkg-reconfigure as i suggested ?
18:23<grasn>interbird, but what u mean with clean
18:23<zaurel>oh!
18:23<grasn>like formated?
18:23<dondelelcaro>rtmex: what's the point of that?
18:23<interbird>grasn: as root: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb5 /1
18:23<grasn>k
18:23<interbird>grasn: as root: ls /1
18:23<interbird>grasn: does that show files ?
18:23<zaurel>inter can i PM you?
18:24<interbird>yes
18:24<grasn>yeah it shows all files
18:24<grasn>but why the heck i cannot access, as user ^^
18:25<grasn>if i go as root to. DRIVES and browse the drive, i can access all files
18:25<grasn>but i cannot mount as user there comes the error
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18:26<rtmex>dondelelcaro: I need to write a script that list the files that match the find conditions for each user but if the last modified date of a file is greater than the user last login date write a mark before
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18:26<rtmex>with date -d "`lastlog -u $usuario|grep $usuario|awk -F ' ' '{print $4,$5,$8}'`" +%m/%d/%Y I know the last login date for 4usuario
18:27<interbird>grasn: helping zaurel on an pm, be back in a while...
18:27<grasn>oki
18:27<dondelelcaro>rtmex: right, but what you're searching for doesn't make much sense. In any event, you can do that rather easily by using -atime in find with a set of parenthetical expressions instead of what you're doing now.
18:28<grasn>interbird, please tell me if you back
18:30<rtmex>dondelelcaro:but -atime include only files that was accessed n days ago, and i need to include all files but identify that ones where the modification date is grather than user's last login
18:30<rtmex>it does not have to be a oneliner
18:31<dondelelcaro>rtmex: right, but you can do that by using an or'ed find statement
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18:32<janux-xmind>hi guys!
18:33<rtmex>dondelelcaro: I'm a newbie, never heard about that kind of find staments, could you give an example or tell where can I find someone
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18:33<janux-xmind>does anyone have skills in php?
18:33<rtmex>hi janux
18:33<janux-xmind>hi
18:33<grasn>janu, maybe i can help
18:33<janux-xmind>do you have skills in php, rtmex?
18:34<janux-xmind>ok grash
18:34<janux-xmind>it is about uploading file onto the server
18:34<rtmex>janux: nop :(, sorry. I was just answering you "hi guys!" salut :)
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18:34<grasn>you mean with a <form>?
18:34<janux-xmind>yup
18:35<grasn>its a long time ago i used this
18:35<janux-xmind>when i use the function move_uploaded_file(), i get the following error message
18:35<janux-xmind>failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/scolaris/phpFx/adminCESecForm.php on line 15
18:35<grasn>what is line 15
18:36<janux-xmind>so i can't move files from the tmp folder
18:36<grasn>is tmp folder chmod 744 or 777?
18:36<janux-xmind>this is what you have to worry about "failed to open stream: No such file or directory"
18:36<janux-xmind>i'
18:37<janux-xmind>i've chmod my destination folder into 777
18:37<grasn>can u show me line 15
18:37<janux-xmind>move_uploaded_file($_FILES["illustration1"]["tmp_name"], "/scolaris/resource/png/illustration/" . $_FILES["illustration1"]["name"]);
18:38<janux-xmind>so...
18:38<grasn>and the dir exists?
18:38<janux-xmind>yes
18:38<janux-xmind>i've chmod it into 777
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18:39<rtmex>how can I know if a variable is a date in bash?
18:40<grasn>janux. try to give it the complete path /home/....
18:40<janux-xmind>which one?
18:40<grasn>you can use getcwd() to know the current working directory
18:40<interbird> /tmp is 777 with chmod +T /tmp
18:41<grasn>probably the path is incomplete /scolaris/resource/png/illustration/, try /home/user/public_html//scolaris/resource/png/illustration/
18:41<grasn>so your complete path
18:41<neurocypher>i have a question
18:41<interbird>!ask
18:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
18:42<neurocypher>i've compiled some window themes for kde
18:42<janux-xmind>this my website root from /var/www
18:42<neurocypher>but they don't appear in kcontrol
18:42<neurocypher>any ideas of what i can do?
18:42<interbird>they are not in /usr/share/......
18:43<grasn>janux-xmind, so try /var/www/scolaris/resource/png/illustration/
18:43<janux-xmind>no
18:43<janux-xmind>ok
18:43<neurocypher>i think so but let me check again
18:43<interbird>copy the themes to /usr/share/#where-kde-global-themes-live#
18:43<neurocypher>/usr/local/kde/lib/kde3/kwin3_CylonMinimal.so
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18:44<janux-xmind>it works!!!
18:45<grasn>nice xD
18:45<interbird>neurocypher: ldconf as root and then a relogin to kde ?
18:45<janux-xmind>thanks grasn
18:45<grasn>np
18:45<neurocypher>ok thanks i'll give it a go
18:45<neurocypher>brb
18:45<janux-xmind>but what if i decide to to host my site away
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18:45<janux-xmind>on another computer
18:46<grasn>you only need to replace the complete path
18:46<janux-xmind>www.xyz.com/bla/bla ...
18:46<grasn>so /var/www/ in the path from the new server
18:47<grasn>so u use: /var/www/bla/bla/scolaris/resource/png...
18:47<janux-xmind>ok
18:47<grasn>if you are in your ftp client, you can see mostly the complete path
18:48<janux-xmind>ok, thanks a lot
18:48<grasn>np
18:48<janux-xmind>now i'll continue programing
18:48<grasn>hehe hf xD
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18:48<interbird>gpl 2 or 3 :-)
18:49<neurocypher>didn't work
18:49<neurocypher>i guess maybe make install didn't work
18:49<interbird>neurocypher: you also must put the theme-resources in a global place
18:50<neurocypher>ok
18:50<interbird>neurocypher: check where themes are that you can see from kde-config
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18:51<mortenmj>i have a usb flash drive with an encrypted partition on it. i've connected it to a couple of machine running gnome, and been prompted for a password to mount it. are there any similar alternatives for systems not running gnome?
18:52<interbird>encrypted by what method ?
18:52<mortenmj>LUKS and dm-crypt, via the cryptsetup package
18:52<interbird>what other systems ?
18:53<mortenmj>my laptop runs ion3, on sid
18:53<neurocypher>kde-config with what options?
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18:53<mortenmj>interbird: 2.6.22-2-686 kernel
18:53<neurocypher>i did kde-config --path lib
18:54<neurocypher>but --path theme doesn't work
18:54<One\PiZZA>--path=/lib
18:54<One\PiZZA>maybe?
18:54<neurocypher>ok
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18:54<interbird>mounting flash-drives with gnome uses gnome-mount, on other systems you might have to mount the flash as root. dunno more.
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18:55<mortenmj>interbird: i guess i might look into running gnome-mount on a non-gnome system
18:55<mortenmj>thanks
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18:55<janux-xmind>how can i create user group on debian?
18:55<mortenmj>addgroup
18:56<janux-xmind>i need to integrate www-data group
18:56<mortenmj>or groupadd(?)
18:56<dondelelcaro>addgroup
18:56<interbird>as the name implies, it is for gnome and not for like ion; better would be to google on ion encryption i'd say
18:56<mortenmj>interbird: i'll try
18:56<janux-xmind>how can i use the command addgroup
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18:56<mortenmj>man addgroup
18:57<interbird>janux-xmind: usermod -a -G www-data *username* and relogin
18:57<janux-xmind>the group already exists but i can't get inside frome gnome
18:57<mortenmj>janux-xmind: editing /etc/group also works
18:57<interbird>janux-xmind: id *username* shows what groups you are a member of
18:58<grasn>interbird, canu help again get the hd working?
18:58<interbird>mortenmj: editing plain files is not a good method. what about the shadow-copies ?
18:58<interbird>grasn: where were we ?
18:59<mortenmj>interbird: those don't update on reboot?
18:59<mortenmj>i guess you do have a point, though. usermod is cleaner.
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19:00<grasn>interbird, we mounted the hd on /1 and i can view all files as root, and access it over SYSTEM > DISKS as root, but i cannot access the folder /1 as user grasn
19:00<grasn>for that we tried to auto mount it with the fstab
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19:00<grasn>but if i try mount /dev/hdb5 as user grasn, it says the error
19:01<interbird>mortenmj: reboot after adding a group to a user?
19:01<mortenmj>interbird: yeah, i realized how stupid that sounds after the fact
19:01<grasn>wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock, on /dev/hdb5, missing codepage or other error
19:02<mortenmj>i guess i've never had a problem just adding users to /etc/group, so i've never really thought about whatever bad side effects it might have
19:02<interbird>grasn: how doyou try to mount?
19:02<grasn>interbird, thats on the fstab /dev/hdb5 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,user,auto,unhide
19:02<grasn>now i terminal with user grasn: mount /dev/hdb5
19:03<grasn>thats what "man mount" says
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19:03<interbird>mortenmj: nowadays the plain text-files are shadowed, also one might be using ldap. ever heared of "information-hiding" ? why you think useradd or adduser or smbldap-useradd commands were created?
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19:05<interbird>grasn: can you tell me in simple words what you want more precisely ?
19:05<grasn>i also tried mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb5 /1 as root, this works, but i cannot acees as user
19:05<mortenmj>interbird: i guess i figured those were mostly there because editing plain text files is "scary"
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19:05<none>hi, what are the packages what i need for lift up the X? xserver-xorg and what more?
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19:06<grasn>i want to access the mounted hd, with konqueror as user grasn. but it says i have no permission
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19:06<none>grasn: check as root if the user have permission for access to the directory that u want...
19:07<grasn>how does this work
19:08<interbird>mortenmj: not only for a novice user, but it is scary because there is no way changes to /etc/passwd file get propagated to, let's say the login-manager
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19:08<mortenmj>i do see your point
19:08<none>u're right interbird
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19:09<grasn>none, how can i check the access permissions
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19:10<interbird>grasn: but, you should have an icon for hdb5 on your kde-desktop already...
19:10<grasn>no :(
19:10<grasn>that worked with gnome
19:11<grasn>it is mounted but i cannot acces with konqueror
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19:11<interbird>grasn: can you exit kde and enter gnome on this box ?
19:11<grasn>yes, but there its the same. if i click the desktop icon it says no permission
19:12<interbird>grasn: ahhh, put a ; before the hdb5 line in /etc/fstab
19:12<grasn>ok
19:13<interbird>gnash: sorry, not ; but #
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19:13<interbird>gnash: in a root terminal: umount /dev/hdb5
19:14<grasn>interbird, i have done
19:14<grasn>ahh ok
19:14<grasn>sec
19:14<interbird>now logout kde or gnome that you are at the login-manager
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19:14<interbird>gnash: now do Ctrl-Alt-F1
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19:15<interbird>and login as root
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19:15<grasn>ok i try sec
19:15<interbird>then do: cat /etc/fstab | grep -i hdb5
19:16<grasn>brb
19:16<interbird>see the # in front of the hdb5 line, yes?
19:16<rtmex>is it possible to create multidementional arrays in bash?
19:17<interbird>not according to this: http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=bash+arrays+multidimensional&spell=1
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19:20<grasn>interbird, u didnt tell me what i need t do if im loged in as root :>
19:20<grasn>hehe
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19:20<interbird>i did...
19:20<interbird>see the # in front of the hdb5 line, yes?
19:20<interbird>then do: cat /etc/fstab | grep -i hdb5
19:21<interbird>see the # in front of the hdb5 line, yes?
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19:21<grasn>k thats it?
19:21<interbird>is the # there ?
19:21<grasn>i added a # to the line
19:22<interbird>i know, this is a verify, is it there?
19:22<grasn>if i made cat...how i can nome back in kde?
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19:22<grasn>#/dev/hdb5 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,user,auto,unhide
19:22<interbird>ok
19:22<One\PiZZA>if it has # then this line isnt readed by the conf
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19:22<One\PiZZA>so, /mnt/windows isnt mounted
19:23<grasn>yeah
19:23<grasn>and now i do cat /etc/fstab | grep -i hdb5 if im logged in as root?
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19:23<interbird>now: cat /etc/X11//default-display-manager | less sbin
19:23<interbird>grasn: what does that say ?
19:24<grasn>dunno
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19:24<interbird>?
19:24<grasn>ahh
19:24<grasn>sec
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19:25<interbird>One\PiZZA: That's what I wan't because the mount in the fstab makes it impossible to mount it as a user from kde or gnome, ok ?
19:25<grasn>sbin no such fike or directory
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19:26<interbird>grasn: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager | less sbin
19:26<interbird>one / too many, sorry...
19:26<interbird>what? kdm, gdm, xdm, ??
19:26<grasn>it says sbin no such file or directory
19:26<grasn>i ise kde
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19:27<interbird>grasn: as root: /etc/init.d/kdm restart
19:27<interbird>grasn: as root: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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19:27<interbird>grasn: as root: /etc/init.d/xdm restart
19:27<interbird>grasn: whatever works
19:28<interbird>grasn: now login as grasn
19:28<interbird>grasn: kde or gnome?
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19:28<grasn>i was again in the console
19:28<grasn>:D
19:29<interbird>was is the right word... :-)
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19:29<interbird>grasn: tell me when you have your desktop
19:29<grasn>what u mean
19:30[~]interbird sighs
19:30<interbird>grasn: what is on your screen ?
19:30<grasn>arrrrr im using debian sins yesterdayand just want to hear my mp3s, it took me 5 hours to instal pidgin ^^
19:30<grasn>my desktop
19:30<grasn>:>
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19:32<grasn>i made a forum post of the problem also http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11332
19:33<grasn>im on my desktop ^^
19:33<One\PiZZA>grasn, so, what's the problem? ;)
19:33<interbird>grasn: Control-Alt-F7
19:34<grasn>nothing happens
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19:34<interbird>grasn: Control-Alt-F1
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19:34<interbird>whoami
19:34<interbird>root?
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19:35<interbird> /etc/init.d/kdm restart
19:35<interbird>or
19:35<interbird> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
19:35<grasn>im root
19:35<grasn>ok i enter that now
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19:36<interbird>graphical login screen ?
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19:36<grasn>lol
19:37<interbird>lol?
19:37<grasn>im on my desktop again
19:37<interbird>kde or gnome
19:37<grasn>kde
19:37<grasn>should i use gnome?
19:37<interbird>hdb5 as icon?
19:37<grasn>no
19:38<grasn>:(
19:38<interbird>any hd??? icons?
19:38<grasn>noo
19:39<One\PiZZA>grasn, right mouse button, reate new -> link to device
19:39<One\PiZZA>select hdd device
19:39<One\PiZZA>then select /dev/hdb5
19:39<One\PiZZA>and that's it
19:40<grasn>i cannot select hdb5
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19:41<grasn>only the linux is hda3 and cd rom
19:41<One\PiZZA>grasn, that's why you need to mount it first
19:42<interbird>no
19:42<grasn>i have mount it on /1
19:42<interbird>should be mountable from kde-desktop
19:42<interbird>grasn: reboot the system
19:42<grasn>ok
19:42<grasn>brb
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19:42<One\PiZZA>well, let's see that in my home box..
19:42<One\PiZZA>w8 to log in
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19:44<One\PiZZA>blah, ntfs-3g didnt seems to mount/unmount from desktop ;)
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19:44<grasn>ok done
19:44<One\PiZZA>vfat is working as it should
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19:45<grasn>now the drive isn't mounted anymore
19:45<One\PiZZA>interbird, ntds-3g is working too
19:45|-|cabezzax changed nick to cabezza
19:45<One\PiZZA>in order to mount/umount devices from desktop
19:45<One\PiZZA>you have to mount them first
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19:45<One\PiZZA>then create link to desktop
19:45<One\PiZZA>then mount/umount as much as you want
19:46<One\PiZZA>grasn, alright?
19:46<grasn>ehh no
19:47<grasn>u mean i login as root terminal and: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb5 /1 ?
19:47<One\PiZZA>no
19:47<grasn>but ow i create a link to desktop
19:47<One\PiZZA>open your fstab then remove the # from the line
19:47<grasn>ok
19:47<interbird>One\PiZZA: I know that, but mounting as root (ntfs or ntfs-3g) in fstab is different from mounting from kde-desktop.
19:48<One\PiZZA>well, if the devices are already mounted in fstab
19:48<One\PiZZA>what's the problem ?
19:48<One\PiZZA>you can just mount/umount them from desktop
19:48<interbird>that's the problem exactly
19:48<One\PiZZA>I just tried this
19:49<grasn>One\PiZZA, i removed the #
19:49<One\PiZZA>grasn, is the device ntfs or vfat ?
19:49<grasn>NTFS
19:49<One\PiZZA>then
19:49<interbird>grasn: yes, like One\PiZZA says and also change auto tonoauto
19:49<interbird>in fstab
19:49<One\PiZZA>do mount /dev/hdb5 -t ntfs /mnt/the-place-you-want
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19:50<interbird>One\PiZZA: I already did that with him
19:50<interbird>it works
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19:50<One\PiZZA>so, then you should tell him to create link on desktop
19:50<One\PiZZA>with already mounted device
19:50<interbird> /1 excersise
19:50<grasn>One\PiZZA, the only problem is: i cannot access the mounted drive with konquerer as user GRASN
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19:50<One\PiZZA>well, check the user GRASN's UID
19:50<grasn>ok sec
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19:50<One\PiZZA>what it is
19:51<grasn>how i check
19:51<One\PiZZA>sorry for my bad english..
19:51<interbird>One\PiZZA: kde can mount as a user, that is what he wants
19:51<One\PiZZA>well, interbird uid=number has to be in fstab
19:51<One\PiZZA>or else only root can do mount
19:51<interbird>One\PiZZA: as *any* user
19:51<interbird>nope
19:51<One\PiZZA>well, uid=1000
19:52<One\PiZZA>and that's the magic
19:52<grasn>its /dev/hdb5 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,user,auto,unhide
19:52<One\PiZZA>not this
19:52<One\PiZZA>grasn, you are logged into your system as user ??
19:52<One\PiZZA>what's the username? root? or something else
19:52<grasn>yes im logged in my kde desktop as grasn
19:53<grasn>and my terminal as root
19:53<grasn>my username is grasn
19:53<One\PiZZA>so, I guess the user's uid is 1000
19:53<interbird>id grasn
19:53<One\PiZZA>edit your fstab
19:53<interbird>id grasn
19:53<One\PiZZA>to
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19:53<One\PiZZA>this: /dev/hdb5 /mnt/windows ntfs ro,uid=1000,noauto,unhide
19:53<grasn>it says uid=1000
19:53<grasn>ok i try
19:53<interbird>ok, follow pizza
19:53<One\PiZZA>then do do mount /dev/hdb5 -t ntfs /mnt/the-place-you-want-to-mount-your-hdd
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19:54<Onepamopa>no pizza, ;)
19:54<Onepamopa>that was 2 hours ago..
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19:54<interbird>still ok, cold pizza is free :-)
19:55<Onepamopa>aheha ;)
19:55<Onepamopa>cold beer too
19:55<Onepamopa>(I wish)
19:55<Onepamopa>:>
19:55<grasn>ok
19:55<grasn>now its mounted again
19:55<Onepamopa>so
19:55<Onepamopa>go to your desktop
19:55<Onepamopa>right mouse button
19:55<Onepamopa>create new -> link to device
19:55<Onepamopa>then select hard disk device
19:55<Onepamopa>name it Windoze
19:55<Onepamopa>go to Device tab
19:56<Onepamopa>select from drop-down menu -> /mnt/windows (/dev/hdb5)
19:56<interbird>Onepamopa: scroll back and you will see why your pizza is cold
19:56<Onepamopa>interbird, my pizza is cold cuz I have to go up and down from office to the NOC
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19:57<grasn>i did it, but if i open the iconit goes in /mnt/windows but theres nothing inside
19:57<interbird>Onepamopa: the help you offer has already been offered by One\PiZZA
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19:57<grasn>why the heck theres nothing inside
19:57<grasn>:>
19:57<Onepamopa>grasn, right button on the icon, click mount
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19:57<Onepamopa>type mount and paste on private
19:57<grasn>there is only unmount
19:58<Onepamopa>umount it
19:58<Onepamopa>and then mount again
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19:58<grasn>could not unmount device. the reported error was: unmount only root can unount /dev/hdb5 from /mnt/windows
19:58<none>hi, what i need for install the X? the xserver-xorg and what more?
19:58<Onepamopa>well, umount it like root
19:58<Onepamopa>and mount it like normal user via icon
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19:58<grasn>in terminal umount /dev/hdba5 ?
19:59<Onepamopa>george, hola
19:59<Onepamopa>grasn, yeah
19:59<interbird>none: apt-get install xorg
19:59<george>whoa
19:59<none>interbird and what more?
19:59<Onepamopa>what's up
19:59<Onepamopa>:>
19:59<george>that was a fast response
19:59<Onepamopa>ahah ;)
19:59<grasn>Arrrrr could not mount device. the reported error was: unmount only root can unount /dev/hdb5 from /mnt/windows
19:59<none>xserver-xorg, xorg and...??
19:59<interbird>none: whatever you need more...
19:59<grasn>only root can mount
19:59<Onepamopa>grasn, I told u
19:59<Onepamopa>umount it LIKE ROOT
19:59<none>interbird kde-core
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19:59<Onepamopa>I mean open konsole, su root
19:59<Onepamopa>type password
19:59<Onepamopa>then umount
19:59<none>interbird kde and...?
20:00<grasn>yes i did
20:00<interbird>none: maybe a login-manager like gdm. apt-get install gdm
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20:00<george>well going to a coupla nice little parties tonite...
20:00<grasn>i typed as root: umount /dev/hdba5
20:00<Onepamopa>hdba ?
20:00<Onepamopa>:>
20:00<interbird>none: maybe a login-manager like gdm. apt-get install kdm
20:00<none>right..
20:00<grasn>hdb5
20:00<Onepamopa>so?
20:00<george>I want to invite some women from the first to come to the second :)
20:00<Onepamopa>you're root, right?
20:00<grasn>yes in terminal
20:00<none>how to can i mount a partition automatically at the start of eatch?
20:00<Onepamopa>grasn, private
20:01<interbird>none: and maybe a grapical package-manager like synaptic: apt-get install synaptic
20:01<none>for what?
20:01<george>none: read this thing... it's the answer... and a lot more... man 5 fstab
20:01<interbird>none: and then, when X is working start synaptic and choose what you want
20:02<none>interbird did u know dekorator?
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20:02<george>I will likely get a chance to play some bass at the second one :)
20:02<interbird>must have forgotten, what was it?
20:02<none>a style... windows style etc...
20:03<george>but anyway, I'm running xen 3.1 with a 2.6.18 kernel, amd64 machine and kernel; I'm about to try booting an old installation from a broken box I salvaged the HD from....
20:03<none>i've been installed it... but it don't work...
20:03<interbird>so you know what you want :-)
20:03<george>here's my question... can I make it so that the lvms show up in a domU unrenamed?
20:03<none>i want to re-install my system... without unnecesaryes librarys...
20:05<george>none: packages the system installs and packages you install, likely need libraries
20:05<george>the packages know what libs they need
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20:06<interbird>george: how did you "salvage" the hd? geometry is important to get it booting
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20:06<none>george yes, but i remove any packages... and apt do not remove the libraries...
20:07<george>interbird: it's not going to actually boot... but I'm going to treat the OS that used to boot as though it were a child os thru xen virtualization system
20:07<george>none: we're working on that... look into deborphan and aptitude
20:08<interbird>booting it from xen that is ?
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20:08<none>george i do it...
20:08<george>or rather someone shoudl be working on it
20:08<none>george...
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20:08<rtmex>Hi george
20:08<george>hi
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20:09<george>heyy I'm popular today :)
20:09<rtmex>george: Is it possible to assing to result of an awk command to variables for using them on a bash script?
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20:10<none>i have a 20.1 monitor LCD, and when i installed debian for first time, the KDE works in 1280x1024, but my monitor's widescreen... i need 1680x1050, i reconfigure the xserver, but my KDE screen's moved to the left... so when i switch to a console or windows.. i need adjust again the monitor... how to can i to move the screen correctly via software and not hardware?
20:10<george>probably but I don't konw the details... have you considered looking into perl? there are pretty good aspects of awk and other stuff in there, and perl is more of a general purpose scripting language than awk is
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20:11<george>(hence it might be easier to get the job done if you can learn how it works)
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20:11<interbird>none: try 'saving' the modes in your monitor; either graph or tekst
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20:11<rtmex>I want to use find / -perm /a+x -perm /a+s -printf "%u:%g:%h/%f:%Tx:%y\n" |awk -F ':' '{print $1, $2, $3}' and assign $1 to a var1, $2 to var2, etc. then use var1, var2, etc. for something else in the script
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20:16<interbird>rtmex: let awk print the field and assign it to anenv-var that you can capture on return. like $(VAR1=$(echo "one:two"|awk -F ':' '{print $2}'); echo $VAR1
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20:18<rtmex>interbird but in your example you are just using one field in awk, I need more fields :(
20:19<george>rtmex: do you only expect one result (one line, one row) from this?
20:20<interbird>rtmex: then use multiple awk's all assigning their output to different env-vars. or all wanted fields in one env-var and parse that var when back in the main script.
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20:21[~]george imagines multiple awks coming from overhead...
20:21[~]george gets out of the way of the birdshit :)
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20:21<rtmex>interbird:I'll try that , thanks
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20:21[~]interbird says geore is right, but first get things working and then optimize
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20:22<george>perl -might- be a good tool for the job...
20:22<rtmex>That's what I thought, repeating the same awk with diferent fields is not the bezst way
20:23<george>but it's a wauy
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20:23<rtmex>george, yeah, if can find a better waym that's I'm gonna do
20:23<rtmex>can't
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20:24<george>do the absolutely simplest thing that still does the job
20:24<george>(that's not off-topic since it's advice applicable to things outside debian, is it?)
20:25<interbird>outside meaning off-topic :-)
20:26<george>well really outside meaning that it's also applicable elsewhere... like tying one's shoes or something...
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20:28<interbird>tying shoes would be off-topic on a bare-feet channel :-)
20:28<interbird>but still applicable...
20:28<george>oh ok :) noted :)
20:28<interbird>:-)
20:29<george>so since we don't know, we don't know if it's off topic :)
20:29<interbird>not to know is a blessing
20:30<george>ok taking a quick shower then headng to the first one :)
20:30<Onepamopa>offtopic... blah, is this a forum? ..
20:30<Onepamopa>:>
20:30<george>mmm... VERY hot ladies there )
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20:30<Onepamopa>where?! where!!!
20:30<Onepamopa>;)
20:30[~]Onepamopa looking around..
20:30<george>hmm I could tell you...
20:31<george>see it's about these very hot women wanting as many men as possible to know how to handle them
20:31<george>so they teach courses
20:31<Onepamopa>blah..
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20:34<interbird>glad i find my woman hot and she's only hanling me
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20:35<Onepamopa>ahah ;)
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20:42[~]grasn pisses of the wall
20:42<Steven>what linux version can i run smoothly on a pentium 733 Mhz processor and 128 RAM?
20:44<Steven>anyone got an answer?
20:44<xsdg>Steven: do you have a more specific question? if not, "Debian works, as do some other distros, undoubtedly"
20:44<interbird>debian with xfce
20:44<xsdg>Steven: why would you suspect that it _wouldn't_ work?
20:45<Steven>well I want something that is similiar in look and feel to Windows XP
20:45<interbird>Steven: debian with xfce will be like XP, give-or-take...
20:45<xsdg>Steven: sort of depends how close to the feel of WinXP you want to get, I think
20:45[~]xsdg nods at interbird
20:46<Steven>well like i like the feel of the startmenu and control paneel and the look of it
20:46<Steven>I was thinking either A Linux or PCLinuxOS?
20:47<Steven>ALinux seems close to it but will it run on my machine I can't find specs for it
20:48<xsdg>Steven: possibly; this probably isn't the best place to ask about distributions that aren't Debian, though
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20:48<interbird>Steven: Linux has many faces... Maybe first see them before...
20:48<chealer>Steven: this is not a general GNU/Linux support channel.
20:49<Steven>as I stated I have a P 3 @ 733 M hz and 128 RAM which I am upgrading to 384 on the 1st
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20:49<interbird>wait until the 1st then
20:49<interbird>then try xubuntu
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20:57<runev>how can i find which sata/hda devices are found on my system, but not used in /etc/fstab?
20:57<interbird>fdisk -l
20:57<interbird>lsscsi
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20:59<runev>thanks :)
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20:59<Anon988>hola todos por
20:59<Anon988>me llamo carlos
20:59<george>also look at dmesg
20:59<Anon988>soy de lima * peru
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21:00<interbird>!es
21:00<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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21:03[~]grasn jumps of the wall
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21:04<george>Jumps of the Wall... see them tonite, pictures at eleven
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21:04<george>How many jumps would you suppose are of the wall? :)
21:05[~]interbird is remembering pink floyd and searching for a particulair song...
21:05<george>which one
21:05<interbird>teacher, leave those kids alone...
21:05<george>oh that's The Wall
21:06<george>Pink's disco explosion...
21:06<interbird>any other wall's ?
21:06<george>yeah, that tune is sorta sprinkled all over the record
21:06<weasel>Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
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21:06<weasel>Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
21:06<george>heyy,,, Fall
21:06<george>there's another great tune!
21:06<weasel>all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put humpty together again :)
21:07<interbird>is anybody out there?
21:07<george>that's "Hey You"
21:07<interbird>yeah!
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21:08<george>did you like pink floyd animals?
21:08<interbird>i liked the dogs
21:09<jagerman>Un petit d'un petit?
21:09<interbird>oui, je crois
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21:10<jagerman>S'étonne aux Halles?!
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21:11<weasel>jagerman: english please?
21:11<interbird>non, je suis ala maison, ecoute l'album du pink (bell separate)
21:11<george>interbird: meetoo, that one was probably the deepest
21:12<jagerman>weasel: Heh, if you read it fast enough in front of an English speaking person, they'll get it.
21:12<interbird>george: it hurts...
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21:13<george>if you like that, you probably will like "The Unmerry Go Round" by Allan Holdsworth
21:13<jagerman>weasel: It's a french "poem" meant to sound like Humpty Dumpty.
21:13<george>note especially the bass solo
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21:14<bella>hi,boleh kenalan nggak?
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21:14<grasn_>waikiki!!!
21:14<interbird>I always thought they were singing: "The turning Around..."
21:15<george>there's no vocals on that particular track... you've heard it? I think it's on metal fatigue
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21:17<george>I'd like to see Holdsworth, Breet Garsed, Simpn Phillips, maybe Jeff Babko or Jan Hammer and Kurt Elling
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21:17<Sasha>hi, boleh kenalan gak?
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21:18<george>Sasha: Hi. I speak english... what did you say? :)
21:18<interbird>Sasha: hi, where are you from?
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21:19<ne>hi!, I am using debian etch. My computer has no floppy. I tried to use external USB floppy driver. But debian does not recognize. Any idea greatly appreciated. thanks
21:19<interbird>ne: what are you trying to do ?
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21:20<george>ne: tail -f /var/log/daemon.log
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21:20<george>then plug/unplug it
21:20<ne>I am trying to install WinXp on VMware virtual machine. XP needs SATA direvers, and asks floppy
21:20<george>see if it says anything interesting on the log
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21:21<george>aaannnd jeans dry, it'
21:21<george>s party time! nite.
21:21<interbird>ne: are these multiple problems? one at-the-time please...
21:22[~]grasn runs in circle
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21:23<interbird>turn the circle into a sphere
21:23<ne>I think single problem. I want to see as a floppy while using external one like windows.
21:24<interbird>ne: using debian ?
21:24<ne>yes debian etch
21:24<grasn>what means etch
21:24<interbird>ne: using gnome or kde?
21:24<ne>KDE
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21:25<jagerman>It's the first part of etch-a-sketch
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21:25<interbird>toy story
21:25<grasn>ohh
21:25<jagerman>Did they have permission to use the name?
21:26<Daver>Hi
21:26<jagerman>Whoever made Toy Story, I mean.
21:26<interbird>he he :-)
21:26<interbird>ne: icons present on desktop that says floppy or fd0 ?
21:27<Daver>How come Debian's downstream distributions have newer packages and such packages aren't contributed upstream to Debian????
21:27<ne>interbird: no such an icon about floppy
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21:28<interbird>ne: what do you want to do ?
21:29<interbird>Daver: you have an example ?
21:29<Daver>inter: KDE
21:29<ne>while installing Win XP on vmware virtual machine, I want vmware to see my external floppy as a pyhsical flopy driver mounted into box
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21:30<interbird>Daver: kde is a desktop-environment, maybe you are looking at the version of a meta-package ??
21:31<interbird>ne: just connect /dev/fd0 to the floppy-device in vmware
21:31<Daver>KDE 3.5.8 is out and the latest from Debian is 3.5.5 from Oct. 2006. Why is Debian a YEAR old with packages?!
21:32<ne>interbird: okay I will try
21:32<interbird>Daver: It is a common misconception that Debian is old
21:32<manphiz>Daver, didn't you check sid? 3.5.8 has been uploaded there few days ago.
21:32<Daver>sid?
21:33<Daver>I use the Update Manager program.
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21:34<interbird>Daver: maybe you should look at your /etc/apt/sources.list. is that sid?
21:34<manphiz>Daver, I assume you are using stable. The stable release are meant to be freeze on all packages with only security updates.
21:34<ne>interbird: doesn't work
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21:34<black_13>how do disable kernel bootup output
21:34<jagerman>Daver: What version of Debian are you using?
21:34<interbird>ne: are we trying to get windows read a floppy or debian ?
21:35<ne>wondows
21:35<Daver>In.. /etc/debian_version is "4.0"
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21:36<jagerman>Daver: "etch" is meant to be stable, as in, not changing unless strictly necessary. If you want newer packages, you'd probably be better off trying testing.
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21:37<jagerman>!testing
21:37<dpkg>hmm... testing is a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>
21:38<interbird>ne: what is the name of the channel you are on now ?
21:38<ne>interbird: #debian
21:38<Onepamopa>just use some mirror with testing, and do dist-upgrade
21:38<Onepamopa>:>
21:39<ne>interbird: you mean irc channel?
21:39<Onepamopa>ne this is #debian
21:39<Onepamopa>it is irc channel
21:39<Onepamopa>and you are in it
21:40<Onepamopa>any questions ?
21:40<interbird>ne: would you ask questions about your apple computer in a windows store?
21:40<Daver>So Debian holds the same packages for years until the next major release has current stable binaries?
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21:40<grasn>lol thats was funny
21:40<jagerman>Daver: In stable, yes, and that is the point: you can install many different systems with the same stable release, and get the same thing.
21:41<Onepamopa>that's why you need to use testing
21:41<Onepamopa>;)
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21:42<Daver>How soon is "Lenny" going to be stable?
21:43<jagerman>That depends on what you mean by stable
21:43<Daver>Out of beta?
21:43<interbird>stable is just a state of mind, just like love
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21:43<dwb>I have this issue with my internet connection. when I run apt-get trying to do anything it starts out strong (300-400kbps) and after a short time it drops hard to >60kbps any ideas what might cause this
21:43<ne>thanks interbird, "while installing Win XP on vmware virtual machine, I want vmware to see my external floppy as a pyhsical flopy driver mounted into box" I dont use apple. just waned to know any experoence about that.
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21:44<interbird>ne: can you open a terminal ?
21:44<ne>yes
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21:45<interbird>ne: type id
21:45<jagerman>Daver: When it does, it will be frozen just like etch is now.
21:45<Daver>Well I am bothered because I see a few crashing programs and I know I have year old binaries so I really would like or hope I could get newer stable binaries.
21:45<interbird>ne: is floppy shown as a group ?
21:46<jagerman>Daver: Then you should use testing.
21:46<jagerman>Daver: Testing doesn't contain beta software
21:46<ne>interbird: no
21:46<Daver>I program so I always prefer stable.
21:46<interbird>ne: what does whoami say ?
21:47<ne>interbird: just says ne
21:47<jagerman>Daver: But "stable" here means "unmoving," it does not mean "everything else is unstable/crashing"
21:47<interbird>ne: can you become root? like: su
21:48<Daver>How would I migrate to the testing branch?
21:48<jagerman>Daver: Many, many people use testing for desktop systems.
21:48<ne>interbird: okay
21:48<dwb>no one have any Ideas? I have isolated it and it is definatly inside the box
21:48<interbird>ne: what does whoami say now?
21:48<jagerman>Daver: /msg dpkg etch->lenny
21:48<ne>interbird: root
21:49<interbird>ne: usermod -a -G floppy,cdrom ne
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21:51<ne>interbird: says nothing
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21:51<chealer>!tell Daver about wwlr
21:51<interbird>ne: no close vmware if it is running and logout and then login again
21:52<grasn>interbird, we still trying getting the hdb5 running ^^
21:52<grasn>this is sick
21:52<interbird>grasn: i'm yours, but you listen badly...
21:52<Daver>Is there an academic paper on the inclusion of programs into Debian?
21:52<grasn>:D
21:52<ne>interbird: log out from my debian session?
21:53<interbird>ne: yes, close programs and logout soyou get back at the (graphical) login screen and then login again as ne
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21:56<ne>interbird: I did
21:56<interbird>ne: open a terminal
21:56<ne>interbird: okay
21:56<interbird>ne: does the command: id show floppy and cdrom?
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21:57<ne>interbird yes: uid=1000(ne) gid=1000(ne) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),106(netdev),109(powerdev),1000(ne)
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21:57<interbird>ne: start vmware
21:58<interbird>ne: connect the vmware floppy to /dev/fd0
21:58<interbird>ne: start windows in vmware
21:58<interbird>ne: floppy-access should work now
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22:00<ne>interbird: no it did not access :(
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22:01<interbird>ne: floppy inserted? readable floppy-disk?
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22:01<ne>interbird yes
22:01<interbird>ne: open a terminal and become root
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22:02<ne>interbird: okay
22:02<interbird>ne: mkdir /1
22:02<interbird>ne: mount /dev/fd0 /1
22:02<interbird>ne: ls /1
22:02<interbird>ne: see files on floppy ?
22:05<ne>interbird : mount: block device /dev/fd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
22:05<ne>mount: /dev/fd0: can't read superblock
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22:06<interbird>grasn: hdb5 is mountable as ntfs as we checked with /1. i'm not kde-guy. maybe ask on kde-forums.
22:06<ne>interbird: no mount. but in the Konquerror it seems External floppy drive at /dev/sdc
22:06<interbird>ne: bad floppy, can you read it in a doze-box ?
22:06<interbird>ne: internal drive is usb-drive ?
22:06<ne>I could mount /dev/sdc to /1 and now i can read
22:07<ne>usb yes
22:07<interbird>ne: internal drive or usb-drive (floppy) ?
22:07<ne>usb
22:07<interbird>i or e?
22:07<interbird>ahhh
22:08<interbird>ne: then in vmware: floppy connect to /dev/sdc
22:09<ne>interbird: no, still not recognize :((
22:10<interbird>ne: mount /dev/sdc /1 in linux root terminal
22:10<interbird>ne: ls /1
22:11<ne>interbird: I did , no problem with mounting
22:11<ne>I can see the files in floppy now
22:11<interbird>ne: umount /1
22:12<ne>interbird: okay
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22:12<interbird>ne: don't know if vmware can access usb-mounted floppies. this not the right channel. try googeling on: linux vmware usb floppy
22:13<interbird>ne: not a debian problem
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22:13<ne>interbird: okay thank you very much indeed!
22:14<interbird>np
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22:21<kingsley>Is there an easy way for apt-get, aptitude or a similar package manager to revert whatever packages happen to have come from experimental back to their unstable versions?
22:22<Onepamopa>you want to install unstable ?
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22:24<kingsley>Onepamopa: Yes, I'd like to replace experimental packages with their unstable versions.
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22:25<Onepamopa>well, I don't know
22:25<interbird>kingsley: purge experimental and reinstall unstable. mixing is not a good idea though, unless you know what you are doing. downgrading experimental to unstable as a whole is not supported in any way i know of
22:25<kingsley>Onepamopa: I expect that only a few packages would be from experimental, but at the moment, I'm not certain which ones they are.
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22:27<kingsley>interbird: Do you happen to know an easy way to identify which packages are from experimental?
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22:29<interbird>kingsley: not by heart, but what are you trying to do ?
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22:29<chealer>kingsley: did you try apt-show-versions?
22:30<interbird>kingsley: how did you install the system?
22:30<kingsley>interbird: Thanks for asking. I'm trying to replace whatever packages happen to have come from the experimental distribution with thier unstable versions. The experimental version of gnumeric, or one of its dependencies, is crashing and hanging my box.
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22:33<kingsley>chealer: I have not yet, but I'm installing the apt-show-versions package now.
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22:35<Onepamopa>kingsley, I never used testing, so I don't know how the magic happens :>
22:35<Onepamopa>ups
22:35<Onepamopa>I mean unstable
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22:38<interbird>me thanks chealer for apt-show-versions. was looking for that-one for a while.
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22:42<hachi>how does ps correlate a userid back to a username?
22:42<hachi>I don't see it reading any files or speaking over any sockets asking
22:42<hachi>I mean, it reads lots of files, but none of them have a 'username' field
22:42<hachi>it's all userids
22:42<Onepamopa>well, it's some magic stuff
22:42<Onepamopa>;)
22:43<interbird>it enumberates processes, not files
22:44<hachi>Wow... just wow
22:44<hachi>yes, it enumerates processes
22:44<hachi>amazingly, it reads files (in /proc) to collect that information
22:44<hachi>and I didn't even ask that question, I asked how it correlates userids to usernames
22:45<interbird>that depends on the correlation you have active
22:45<hachi>I think you don't know the answer at all
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22:46<mikegrb>t/hee
22:46<interbird>maybe you don't know the question?
22:46<hachi>I asked a perfectly valid and relatively specific question
22:47<hachi>you gave me an orthogonal answer, and then a useless answer
22:47<hachi>ahh, here we go, it calls getdents
22:48<hachi>and then builds its own table
22:48<interbird>don't go this way, i'm trying tohelpyou with what i know; no more no less
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22:48<hachi>no need, I dug through the source and found the answer in that period of time
22:48<hachi>oh wait, getdents can't be it... doh
22:49<Staz>hachi : There is a 'passwd' data structure.
22:49<interbird>if i only said use the source luke...
22:49<hachi>I don't see this structure being read or anything
22:49<Staz>which holds info about entries in the system user db.
22:50<hachi>what system call or file contains the data as ps gets it
22:50<Supaplex_>apt-get source and find out :)
22:50<hachi>I already said I was reading the source
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22:50<interbird>then you shouldknow
22:51<hachi>amazingly, I'm not finding it
22:51<Staz>getpwuid() function?
22:51<hachi>ps never calls that
22:51<interbird>what system?
22:52<hachi>... debian linux?
22:52<interbird>cpu?
22:52<hachi>32bit intel at the moment
22:52<hachi>P4M class
22:52<interbird>what source file ?
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22:53<hachi>I got the source to 'psutils' and I'm slowly poking through all of them
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22:55<hachi>wrong package
22:55<hachi>psutils is postscript ,grrr
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22:55<hachi>still, strace shows that ps never calls getpw*
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22:58<interbird>still the source dictates the program-flow and therefore strace
22:58<Staz>hachi : getpwuid is a library call, not a system call.
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23:02<hachi>Staz: http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/11384 # yup, and it would look something similar to this call made by ps
23:02<hachi>but this isn't a getpwents call, because there are no results
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23:03<kingsley>chealer: Thank you.
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23:04<Staz>hachi : strace intercepts system calls, not library calls.
23:04<hachi>yes
23:05<hachi>but I don't see it opening /etc/passwd or contacting /var/run/nscd/socket anywhere else
23:05<Onepamopa>hachi, if it did, it would be easyer for the hackers
23:05<Onepamopa>didnt you think?
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23:05<hachi>huh?
23:05<Onepamopa>those things should be invisible
23:05<hachi>you can't ptrace something unless you own it or are root
23:06<hachi>that's how strace works
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23:06<Onepamopa>great
23:06<hachi>so hackers can't get to it anyways
23:06<Onepamopa>I know some that can ;)
23:06<interbird>this is one ugly motherf**ker
23:06<hachi>this is irrelevant anyways, since I'm just trying to figure out how ps figures out the table of userid->username
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23:11<interbird>doesn't ps resolve usernames at a higher level? it should cope with stuff like ldap no? or am i mistaken ?
23:11<hachi>it does
23:11<hachi>and usually it works
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23:17<istoc>Hi, I have a few questions about configurations in /etc/network/interfaces. Can multiple interfaces be up without causing problems and is there a more dynamic way to connect to wireless APs without having their info specificed in the file?
23:17<lontra>istoc: could you use network-manager?
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23:17<istoc>What's that?
23:17<lontra>istoc: do you run gnome or kde?
23:17<istoc>Nope
23:17<istoc>I'm trying to set up a window manager eventually
23:17<lontra>istoc: hrm ... then i don't know if it's worth it to use network-manager ...do you use xfce4?
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23:17<interbird>istoc: multiple interfaces can be up,including wireless. but wireless can act a bit strange depending on your chipset/drivers
23:17<istoc>I was hoping to set up fluxbox eventually but I've been mostly trying to configure things before starting x
23:17<istoc>How does it pick which interface ot use?
23:18<istoc>Could setting pre and post conitions keep oonly one up at a time?
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23:18<interbird>nics are enumberated first, then, depending on your wifi, additional intrfaces are added.
23:19<istoc>does it matter if the NIC is plugged in or not?
23:19<interbird>iwconfig show stuff about wifi interfaces
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23:23<interbird>the command as root: /etc/init.d/networking restart will recycle and re-enable your interfaces at command.
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23:23<istoc>Ok
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23:24<istoc>Also, how can I make it stop reporting the status of the interfaces every time they change?
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23:26<interbird>in gui? gnome?
23:26<istoc>nah, terminal
23:26<interbird>dunno
23:26<interbird>system logger
23:26<istoc>Heh I've been mostly in termnial because I don't have right click
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23:27<interbird>real men don't click
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23:27<hachi>allright, let's try this a different way
23:27<istoc>I'd like to get to that point but Im not there yet
23:27<interbird>has to do with system logger; browse /etc
23:27<lontra>interbird: what do real men do if they don't click?
23:27<hachi>does anyone know what the library call is similar to getpwent that actually contacts the nscd?
23:28<interbird>enter
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23:29<lontra>ha ha joe torre is gone
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23:30<Staz>hachi : perhaps a #c programming channel would be more appropriate?
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23:31<bzed>hachi: hmm I guess you don;t need to take care of nscd at all, your libc6/nsswitch should do that
23:32<interbird>dunno how getpwent is implemented, but getent passwd also reads ldap. the source of getent might tell you more
23:32<istoc>How can I grab all the messages displayed at boot?
23:32<niru>hi
23:32<niru>I have an issue with external monitor
23:32<interbird>they are already grabbed for you
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23:33<niru>video and audio runs in the sony vaio laptop but in the external monitor I see a black screen
23:33<istoc>interbird: where are they kept?
23:34<Hideo_Kuze>niru: I had that problem, but in windows :P
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23:34<interbird>dmesg|less
23:34<niru>Hideo_Kuze, what is the reason of getting such problem
23:34<niru>Hideo_Kuze, what you did to solve that in windows
23:34<Hideo_Kuze>niru: I never found out, it's just odd b/c everything else displayed fine
23:35<Hideo_Kuze>just the video never shows up
23:35<niru>Hideo_Kuze, also I am unable to toggle between both the monitors
23:35<niru>Hideo_Kuze, it comes in both places even if I press fn+F7
23:35<niru>Hideo_Kuze, yup :(
23:35<niru>Hideo_Kuze, so this issue is never solved
23:35<Hideo_Kuze>niru: I'm no help in this issue, sorry :(
23:36<niru>any body
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23:37<istoc>iono, I would try updating video drivers and messing around with the function keys
23:37<Hideo_Kuze>niru: you may wanna paste your xorg.conf somewhere where people can take a look at
23:37<niru>istoc, how you update video drivers
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23:38<niru>Hideo_Kuze, sure
23:38<istoc>oh, I was talking about in windows heh
23:38<violet>YES
23:38<niru>violet, any idea
23:38<Hideo_Kuze>he just joined ;)
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23:40<interbird>The question is not if you can run Debian on your computer. The question is can your computer run Debian...
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23:41<istoc>man so many people joining and leaving...
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23:46<istoc>Would anyone know why udev is renaming eth0 to eth1 on boot for me?
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23:49<interbird>istoc: check .etc/iftab
23:50<interbird>istoc: check /etc/iftab
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23:56<streuner>istoc: second NIC installed?
23:56<Hideo_Kuze>he left people
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23:57<streuner>Hideo_Kuze: i see about 6-7 lines...
23:57<streuner>after the question
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23:57<streuner>but at this time, it could be, that s(he) asked 20 minutes before
23:57<niru>!
23:58<streuner>thats better in irssi, you see when somebody asked (timestamp)
23:59<Hideo_Kuze>yep
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