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00:01<dpkg>Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages.
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00:04<twb>I have two *IP* interfaces; does the `ipmasq' package still Just WorkTM?
00:04<twb>It seems to expect PPP.
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00:35<alaya>anyone know of any cool CLI blog tools where i can just do entries in vim and have them upload to an apache server?
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00:35<alaya>screw it, i'll just ssh in to the server...
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00:37<twb>alaya: isn't that what blosxcom does?
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00:40<alaya>blosxom, checking...
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00:42<alaya>i think i
00:42<alaya>i think i'll symlink ~/blog to /var/www/<user>blog and set the dir up in apache and see how that works
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00:56<alaya>fscking apache permissions
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01:01<alaya>cool now i create a small script that calls vim and inserts customized date output and a few html tags...
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01:28<greenplastic>I upgraded my debian to lenny and i can't start my alacarte menu editor
01:28<greenplastic>i am getting error
01:28<er_9>u are sex
01:29<er_9>u male or female
01:30<greenplastic>are you asking?
01:30<akai>er_9: this is not a contact channel
01:30<chealer>er_9: watch your language.
01:30<akai>it's an IRC-troll! i tell you :> from Indonesia of all things.
01:31<er_9>i female
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01:33<ameyer>Welcome to the internet, where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents...
01:36<sep>asl... what nostalgia..
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01:36<akai>ameyer: yeah, classic saying
01:36<akai>it's "..and the little girls are FBI agents" that's the original, but hey :)
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01:41<alaya>er_9 is PM spamming
01:41<akai>no way?!
01:41<ameyer>umm, time for an !ops?
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01:43<ameyer>I strongly suspect a certain someone's trying to catch #debian users in a compromising position...
01:43<er_9>i am like sex
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01:43<ameyer>ok, who let Borat in here?
01:43<peterrooney>so where do i find the 'apt-setup' program that is in the installer, or an equivalent? the udeb source page says that the deb should -not- be installed on a regular system.
01:44<jm_>peterrooney: it has been removed from Etch
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01:45<chealer>!tell peterrooney about apt-setup
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01:55<dx>How can I get sudo m-a a-i fglrx
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01:55<dx>to specify a particular kernel?
01:56<chealer>dx: did you check the manpage?
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01:57<dx>man m-a ?
01:57<chealer>dx: that's one way to do it, yes
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01:59<dx>Thank you!
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02:03<dx>chealer; it keeps saying that linux-headers-2.6.18-4-486 is not installed; I've installed linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 - I'm Lenny for reference
02:04<chealer>dx: when doing what?
02:05<dx>sudo m-a a-i fglrx
02:06<chealer>dx: which Linux image are you running?
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02:07<dx>is there a command to let me know?
02:07<avu>uname -r
02:07<dx>I'm new
02:07<dx>I installed linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 though
02:08<dx>Should I just unpatch? could the solution be that easy>?
02:09<dx>Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use; if the running kernel has been shipped w deb distro, pls install the package lin*-head*-2.6.18-4-486
02:09<chealer>dx: that's normal. you need the headers for the Linux version you're trying to build for.
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02:09<dx>With my sources.list, I can't even get 2.6.18-4-486 in search
02:09<avu>dx: the linux-patch-... packages are patches for the linux source-code. unless you downloaded a kernel from, applied the patch in said package, built and installed it, the linux-patch package has nothing to do with your running kernel
02:10<jm_>that would be because 2.6.18 is in Etch, but not in Lenny
02:10<jm_>so upgrade to 2.6.22 first
02:10<dx>I'm purging linux-patch-debian-2.6.22, correct?
02:11<avu>doesn't really matter
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02:11<dx>So I should upgrade to kernel 2.6.22-2 and apply those headers?
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02:12<jm_>well it's not really an upgrade, my bad - it's another kernel installation, yeah install them both
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02:19<dx>Sadly, still getting the same exit message telling me to install 2.6.18-4-486
02:19<jm_>you will have to boot the new kernel first
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02:24<dx>thank you guys love the room
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02:46<streuner_>!factinfo choom
02:46<dpkg>choom -- created by geo-rge <> at Sun Sep 2 05:19:06 2007 (50 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by george, 6m ago.
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03:12<dx> Can anything be done about this gpg key installation?
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03:17<dx>GOT IT
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03:26<abc123>when apt said something is not installable, does that mean the file just isnt available in the sources.list repositories?
03:27<jm_>abc123: very often "apt* install foo" will give you more clues
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03:36<abc123>how do i know if i am using lenny?
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03:38<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a
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03:46<acer>hi all, please recommend a good mail server to install on my debian server .. ?
03:47<petemc>you already have exim4, which is fine
03:47<petemc>or you could use postfix, if you dont like exim, for whatever reason
03:48<acer>oh.. so exim4 can be mail server.. like create mail account etc ?
03:48<mxey>acer: Exim _is_ a MTA?
03:49<mxey>(not only 'can be')
03:49<mxey>Maybe you should learn to walk straight before you try to fly.
03:49<acer>hehe :) I'm looking at for more info :)
03:50<acer>mxey: I can barely walk on debian ture, but I can fly on other systems ;)
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03:50<acer>thanks guys.. off to for more info ... :)
03:51<mxey>acer: (found in the channel's FAQ...)
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03:55<twb>mxey: pfft
03:55<mxey>twb: What?
03:55<twb>mxey: that's not how to do it. You throw babies off the cliff and the ones that learn to fly on the way down survive
03:55<twb>This is called "eugenics"
03:56<mxey>twb: I don't throw anyone down, I just tell them not to jump down before they can fly on their own.
03:56<twb>By "you" I mean "this is how it should be done"
03:56<mxey>I can't say I like it.
03:56<twb>I was also being flippant.
03:57<mxey>The ones who can't fly should survive and given another chance ;)
03:57<mxey>twb: Oh, really ;P
03:57<twb>So you want to dilute the species!
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03:57<twb>You must be an agent provocateur for the Martians
03:58<mxey>Can I have some of the stuff you smoked? :D
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03:58<wo0f>alright guys
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03:59<wo0f>does anyone run a dedicated boinc server on debian in the uk and want to join a team?
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04:00<twb>I teem alone.
04:00<twb>Just me and my intestinal flora.
04:00<petemc>no man is an island
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04:22<mxey>m_pahlevanzadeh[0]: Why?
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04:25<noflash> /ignore -replies m_pahlevanzadeh[0]
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04:27<plokko>hi all
04:27<plokko>how is jfs?
04:28<Eulex>if you really have to ask, use ext3.
04:28<jm_>it's almost unmaintained I think
04:29<cLINTo>I wouldn't go with anything other than xfs if I weren't going to use ext3, but that's just me i guess
04:30<cLINTo>yeah, it's less complex, a little faster
04:30<plokko>test on lvm
04:31<plokko>xfs is stable?
04:31<plokko>(like ext3,i know it's the best but it kill the disk)
04:31<cLINTo>yeah, it's decently popular
04:31<plokko>...xfs have some problems with groub
04:32<cLINTo>don't know about that
04:32<plokko>if i make a boot sector with ext3?
04:32<cLINTo>I used it with Xubuntu a while ago
04:32<cLINTo>didn't have problems
04:32<plokko>i'm creating a drdb cluster
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04:32<plokko>i must be sure
04:33<cLINTo>I'm not the one to ask then
04:33<cLINTo>everyone is sleeping :D
04:33<plokko>ext3 journalize data and metadata
04:33<plokko>there not
04:33<wo0f>plokko: jfs?
04:34<plokko>...i need a stable but performant fs
04:34<wo0f>which one?
04:34<wo0f>there are many jfs?
04:34<wo0f>use ext3
04:34<plokko>xfs jfs ext3
04:34<wo0f>ext3 everytime
04:34<plokko>...xfs is too tempty
04:34<wo0f>ect3 is the stable standard
04:34<plokko>plokko <3 performance XD
04:35<wo0f>plokko: get a raid then:P
04:35<wo0f>whats the file system going to be used for?
04:35<plokko>...raid5 with 5-6 sas 15k with 256mb of cache should work
04:35<cLINTo>he said drdb cluster
04:36<plokko>but see this
04:36<plokko>i think fs is not so infulent
04:36<wo0f>hmm, well id recomend ext3
04:36<plokko>bad performance in write but in a database i read more than write
04:37<plokko>...i'll use
04:37<plokko>but i hate a word:
04:37<wo0f>lol okkkk
04:38<plokko>now anyone can install openvz?
04:38<plokko>or wireless
04:38<wo0f>youll have to be abit specific than that:P
04:38<plokko>...wifi= linux+internet=joy!
04:39<cLINTo>on what?
04:39<wo0f>what chipset is it
04:39<plokko>i don't know how
04:39<plokko>but now it work!XD
04:39<wo0f>are there native drivers for that chip?
04:39<cLINTo>you have to make sure it is compatible
04:39<wo0f>lol good luck :P
04:39<plokko>it scan and find the net
04:39<plokko>but how to connect with wpa-psk-tkdip?
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04:40<cLINTo>I don't know anything about that
04:40<wo0f>are you using a gui?
04:40<plokko>wpa_gui don't open
04:40<plokko>say: ping ...
04:40<wo0f>have you used the restricted drivers?
04:40<wo0f>oh thats ubuntu :x
04:41<plokko>debian 4.0 r1 x86_64
04:41<cLINTo>debian doesn't use restricted driver?
04:41<plokko>don't know
04:41<plokko>i don't want know,i want know how to let this thing work
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04:42<Eulex>cLINTo, just different names on the sections; in debian it's named non-free
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04:42<cLINTo>ah okay
04:42<cLINTo>I haven't really used Debian yet
04:42<plokko>why don't work?all installed
04:42<plokko>omg clinto
04:42<wo0f>you havnt used it? rofl
04:42<cLINTo>:D what? I'm working on it
04:42<plokko>clinto say in #debian i never used debian
04:43<cLINTo>hehe, yeah, I'm an ubuntu newb :p
04:43<cLINTo>I'm learning
04:43<Eulex>plokko, afaik, you need to use wpa-supplicant to use wpa. I haven't done it myself, though.
04:43<wo0f>i hate when people say that
04:43<plokko>i tryed wpa suppicant
04:43<plokko>i writed the config as reported in one article
04:43<plokko>but lol it crash all
04:44<Eulex>define 'crash all'
04:44<plokko>it posted a lot of enter
04:44<plokko>and crash the system
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04:44<plokko>...i hope reiserfs don't cry now
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04:50<twb>What generates these files?{linux,initrd.gz}
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05:01<twb>Never mind, #debian-boot is alive.
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05:25<abc123>compiz fusion must be made faster
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05:51<tingle>hi, i installed a minimal debian yesterdat but today when in tried to install hotkeys for it i got this message and i found out my sound doesnt work LOL could someone help me setting my sound up?
05:51<tingle>box:/home/tingle# hotkeys -t hp5181
05:51<tingle>box:/home/tingle# hotkeys: Unable to open `/dev/mixer': No such file or directory
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05:52<twb>tingle: `LOL' is not punctuation.
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06:29<Br01>hi all
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06:34<annaimkonki>what .deb pkgs provide network tools??
06:34<sheldonh>can i tell apt to install kde, but not kdewebdev, without leaving behind broken dependencies that keep showing up in dist-upgrades?
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06:35<lupine_85>no. install kde, then uninstall kde and kdewebdev
06:35<jm_>!tell annaimkonki -about search
06:36<sheldonh>lupine_85: yeah, that's what i've done. just thought there might be something cleaner, such that if no packages arrive as dependencies of kde, i get those. but i think that's worrying about a problem that isn't going to arise for a while :)
06:36<lupine_85>it's a dependency. you can't subvert them :)
06:36<sheldonh>lupine_85: thassagoodthing
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06:45<Br01>how to remove all paquets ?
06:46<Br01>to reinstall them
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06:48<w00ter>hiya, quick question, i got a new dual Xeon server, which netinstall should i use? AMD64 ?
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06:48<jm_>you don't have to remove them - why do you want to do that?
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06:48<sep>w00ter, no xeon is not amd
06:49<sep>w00ter, no what i mean is that do you need 64 bit ? or not ?
06:49<jm_>w00ter: if you want to use 64bit then yes
06:49<w00ter>i was googeling for it, and it suggested AMd64
06:49<sep>w00ter, you may gain a advantage if you have more then 4 GB ram
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06:49<w00ter>its only 2GB
06:49<w00ter>so i386 should be the way to go then ?
06:49<sep>but if you dont intent to use applications that have a advantage by running 64bit, then you dont need 64 bit os.
06:50<sep>unless you have needs that say 64 bits yes
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06:50<w00ter>I intend to run RT on it (On MySQL / apache)
06:50<sep>w00ter, and yes amd64 distro is the one to use if you need 64bit, but you'd use the 686 kernel
06:51<sep>w00ter, well in that case you should in theory not have big problems with amd64
06:51<w00ter>aight, so the thing is, it will run an RT install on apache, mysql, perl, does any of that have a big advantage on 64bit ?
06:51<jm_>RT as in realtime?
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06:51<sep>request tracer i imagine
06:51<jm_>makes more sense ;)
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06:52<w00ter>aye, request tracker :)
06:53<sep>w00ter, I dont have benchmarks that compare them in their 32bit and 64bit versions,
06:54<sep>ofcourse if you consider adding memory to 4GB and above using amd64 would be good
06:56<w00ter>there are no plans to increase the memory, so i guess i386 will be fine in that case
06:56<w00ter>Thanks for the advice!
06:56<mxey>Why should he not run amd64?
06:56<lupine_85>because it's a small amount of extra hassle, for a debatable increase in performance
06:56<sep>incase he needs to run software that does not have 64 bit support
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06:57<mxey>sep: Which software would that be on a server?
06:57<lupine_85>I ran amd64 for 18 months before getting tired of it
06:57<mxey>lupine_85: 'hassle'?
06:57<lupine_85>yes, hassle
06:57<sep>mxey, i am afraid that my clearvoiance is fdailing me so i do not see the future clearly
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06:57<mxey>lupine_85: Oh yeah, don't give me details, my question was not meant to be regarding details, of course.
06:58<lupine_85>no problem.
06:58<sep>mxey,but your right it's a pain to run amd64 on a desktop where there is quite many things that dont support 64bit, while it's mearly a hassle on a server.
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06:59<mxey>sep: I run two Debian amd64 servers and school and didn't have any 'hassle' that wouldn't have occured on i386.
06:59<mxey>*at school
06:59[~]lupine_85 had a server too. it was no hassle there, but there was absolutely no benefit either (from his subjective viewpoint)
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07:00<lupine_85>in fact, there's a school of thought that holds that the larger opcodes on a 64-bit system can slow you down due to caching issues (especially a problem on low-end hardware)
07:00<mxey>I thought they would switch APT to autoinstall recommends on October 1st, though that doesn't seem to happen here.
07:00<lupine_85>I hope they don't
07:01<mxey>It was von devel-announce some time ago.
07:01<sep>mxey, depends on what he wants to install during the lifetime of the machine
07:01<mxey>sep: Yes.
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07:03<lupine_85>oh well, at least there's a workaround
07:03<jm_>hopefully that will be accompanied with a new config option to disable, pretty much like Recommends-Important "false"
07:04<mxey>jm_: Hopefully you read that link, where that exact option is mentioned...
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07:04<jm_>mxey: not until now :)
07:04<mxey>Interestingly, my APT does not do that yet and it's halfway through October already
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07:05<jm_>aptitude does it so I have it disabled there
07:05<lupine_85>it's in unstable only, right now?
07:05<mxey>jm_: Aptitude sucks anyway -.-
07:05<mxey>lupine_85: Does not look like it on my system.
07:06<jm_>mxey: works fine for me so far
07:06<jm_>but since new apt also does dependency tracking, I could switch back one day I guess
07:06<jm_>with that I mean markauto feature
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07:07[~]lupine_85 strongly dislikes dependency tracking, heh
07:08<mxey>jm_: aptitude is slow, mixes commands from apt-get and apt-cache while missing important ones like source and build-dep and has signifantly different behaviour than APT (deps, recommends).
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07:09<jm_>mxey: my machine is fast enough to not worry about speed, besides, dpkg is much much slower when it comes to actually installing anything, as for the rest, I don't really care (trivial to hide that via aliases anyway)
07:09<mxey>jm_: Who is talking about using dpkg on its own?
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07:10<jm_>mxey: the point was more time is wasted waiting for dpkg than for aptitude when I'm installing stuff
07:10<mxey>jm_: Well, for short installs (one package) aptitude is signifanctly slower, without a benefit.
07:11<jm_>mxey: I never noticed that
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07:11<mxey>jm_: I do.
07:11<jm_>mxey: sure, I don't deny that :)
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07:15<seanius>with aptitude you have to read like 30 mb of data from half a dozen files, with dpkg you have to read 15 MB of data from a couple thousand files
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07:34<jan>which hard drive modules must I add to /etc/initramfs/modules to be able to boot up the 2.6.22-2 kernel ?
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07:36<sheldonh>jan: which storage controller did you choose in your vm?
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07:38<jan>the server is inside vmware esx
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07:41<jan>SCSI CONTROLLER LSI Logic (from vmware clients menu)
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07:46<soborropostroso>who wants cedega for they debian?
07:46<jan>mptscsih ?
07:46<mxey>soborropostroso: What?
07:46<soborropostroso>mxey: xD
07:47<soborropostroso>mxey: I`m from chile
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07:47<soborropostroso>I`m bad for english
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07:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:49<jan>!tell soborropostroso about debian-es
07:49<soborropostroso>good bye
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07:50<jan>sheldonh: so?
07:50<APlusHost>I am trying to setup a Win TV Nova PCI card in Debian Sid.
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07:50<APlusHost>It appears to be setup correctly however when I run through a channel Search in Kaffeine player it can't find any locks for any channels.
07:51<sheldonh>jan: no, i think megaraid: megaraid, megaraid_mbox, megaraid_mm and megaraid_sas
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07:53<andrey>hi all
07:53<APlusHost>Anyway have any ideas?
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07:54<maxamillion>we can't hide from spam ...
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07:56<JasonS>maxamillion: sure we can, just turn off your computer
07:56<jan>sheldonh: its always stopping at Waiting to mount root fs...
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07:57<maxamillion>JasonS: but there's no fun in that
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07:57<maxamillion>JasonS: i think i should just start making a game out of spam dodging
07:59<andrey>can anybody help me?
07:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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07:59<andrey>i want to update my kernell
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08:00<andrey>i've got source and patches
08:00<jan>andrey: aptitude dist-upgrade
08:00<jan>that will install default kernel
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08:00<jan>do aptitude update first
08:00<andrey>but i want ntfs suppurt
08:01<petemc>andrey: using etch?
08:02<andrey>yes, 4.0
08:02<petemc>check for ntfs-3g
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08:02<petemc>presuming you want write support, if you just want read, you already have it
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08:02<andrey>thats' ok when i mount, but rw (((
08:03<andrey>thats why i want kernel support
08:03<mxey>andrey: petemc just told you what to do
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08:04<andrey><mxey> i want rw, but 3g gives only read
08:04<petemc>no it doesnt
08:04<mxey>andrey: The write support is the main feature of 3g -.-
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08:05<andrey>maybe i wrote something wrong in fstab
08:05<mxey>Maybe you did not use 3g at all.
08:06<andrey>no I installed it
08:06<andrey>using aptitude
08:06<andrey>/dev/hda2 /mnt/win_store ntfs iocharset=utf8,nls=utf8,umask=0,users,user 0 0
08:06<petemc>its not in etch
08:06<petemc>and that line doesnt mention 3g anyway
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08:06<mxey>andrey: I repeat myself, you are not using 3g.
08:07<mxey>Get some FUSE knowledge before pretending to be right.
08:07<mxey>andrey: You know what? First hit on Google for 'nfts-3g' was their website which has a nice 'Usage' section. So where is the problem?
08:08<andrey>Ok thanks
08:08<jan>which hard drive modules must I add to /etc/initramfs/modules to be able to boot up the 2.6.22-2 kernel ?
08:08<jan>its always stopping at Waiting to mount root fs...
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08:08<mxey>jan: But you are not using any fancy LVM or dm stuff?
08:09<jan>No, I have a debian server inside vmware guest
08:09<mxey>jan: You can boot the system with other kernels?
08:09<jan>so long only the default kernel worked
08:09<jan>I can boot just original 2.6.18-5
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08:10<mxey>So you _can_ boot it.
08:10<mxey>Look in lsmod which modules are loaded for storage devices and which one might be yours.
08:11<jan>well, right now i have sc_mod scsi_mod mptbase* megaraid*
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08:12<jan>all those are in the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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08:15<runev>Should'nt "aptitude search nvidia" display more results than just nvidia-xconfig? Trying to find the nvidia-kernel-`uname r` packages
08:15<mxey>runev: You have to run contrib and/or non-free.
08:15<alephnull>runev: You need non-free for that.
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08:16<jan>mxey: executing just lsmod will give me a bunch of modules
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08:16<mxey>jan: Of course it does.
08:16<mxey>(It's obvious that non-free is necessary, why do you even ask? :D)
08:16<jan>mxey: I cannot locate the one for storage devices
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08:17<runev>ah, thank you :)
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08:25<sheldonh>"To install this in gentoo linux you will need to do some weird stuff" <-- what's new?
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08:33<sobersabre>why gdm cannot authenticate nis users, while login - can.
08:33<sobersabre>what pam setting dissallows this ?
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08:43<HarDGuN>heey anybody there ?
08:43<mxey>HarDGuN: No, all gone.
08:43<HarDGuN>i have a problem in network
08:44<HarDGuN>when i have to any program to access the internet i have to ping the host im connecting to
08:44<HarDGuN>looks like dns problem
08:44<HarDGuN>dun know wat to do
08:44<mxey>Learning English would be a good start.
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08:45<HarDGuN>why my eng is bad ?
08:45<mxey>HarDGuN: Obviously
08:45<HarDGuN>no man just typing mistake
08:45<sheldonh>mxey: could you lighten up a bit? you've been pretty abrasive with everyone for a while now
08:45<mxey>sheldonh: I am simply direct.
08:46<mxey>HarDGuN: You have to ping before you can connect to anything?
08:46<Aleric>Direct would be "I don't understand your question because your English is so bad"
08:46<HarDGuN>i have to ping b4 xchat and gaim
08:46<mxey>Aleric: OK, but a bit of my special unfriendly humour in it, too.
08:46<HarDGuN>and kopete
08:46<HarDGuN>and b4 apt-get update
08:47<sheldonh>mxey: yes. funny for you, not the other guy. a laugh at someone else's expense, it's called
08:47<mxey>sheldonh: A laugh at someone who can't express himself?
08:47<sheldonh>mxey: in your language. yes
08:47<mxey>sheldonh: There is a differnce between unexperienced English and 'cool slang' like b4.
08:48<sheldonh>mxey: being smart does not give you license to be unpleasant to people on this channel
08:48<mxey>sheldonh: _My_ language? I'm not a native speaker.
08:48<HarDGuN>so wat about my problem
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08:48<HarDGuN>dns broken huh ?
08:48<mxey>HarDGuN: Sounds DNS-related, yap.
08:48<HarDGuN>so ?
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08:49<sheldonh>HarDGuN: if you're describing the situation accurately, your system's first few attempts to look up a hostname fail, and subsequent attempts succeed, which makes the ping / no ping irrelevant. sounds unlikely, but possible
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08:49<alephnull>HarDGuN: Try using opendns.
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08:49<mxey>HarDGuN: What does host instead of ping say?
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08:49<HarDGuN>how could i do that i new in debian :)
08:50<Aleric>You type host instead of ping
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08:50<mxey>HarDGuN: Regarding language, it's "i'm'
08:50<HarDGuN>just host instead of ping
08:50<HarDGuN>i know mate
08:51<HarDGuN>but it looks lool "im"
08:51<sheldonh>mxey: i take it all back :)
08:51<Aleric>No it doesn't.
08:51<mxey>HarDGuN: Not really.
08:51<HarDGuN>my mistake :))
08:52<Aleric>It looks like you're a stupid script kiddie or something. The kind that think it's cool (with a 'c') to screw over English when typing :/
08:52<sheldonh>HarDGuN: confirm it by starting a packet capture with tcpdump before you start, then watch for replies to your dns queries (udp port 53). if it's really dns timeout, you'll see many requests going out before you get any coming back (soon after you start your ping). i'm guessing you'll see something else entirely though
08:52<HarDGuN>when i tried this "host"
08:52<HarDGuN>i got ...
08:52<HarDGuN> is an alias for
08:52<HarDGuN> is an alias for
08:52<HarDGuN> has address
08:52<HarDGuN> has address
08:52<HarDGuN>;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
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08:52<mxey>ah :)
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08:54<HarDGuN>how do i do that ?
08:54<sheldonh>HarDGuN: as you may have noticed, the way you communicate here isn't predisposing people toward helping you out
08:54<HarDGuN>tcpdumb thing ?
08:54[~]sheldonh begins to suspect he's been suckered into feeding the trolls
08:54<mxey>Yeah, tcp _dumb_
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08:55<sheldonh>HarDGuN: google for: tcpdump howto
08:55<sheldonh>HarDGuN: and educate yourself
08:55<sheldonh>#debian is a whole bowl of porridge, not just a spoon
08:55<HarDGuN>okay i did
08:56<Aleric>I wonder if I can write a .iso to DVD of 4700000000 bytes.
08:56<Aleric>Should work no?
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09:03<DodoPahim>I ned help in nttcp package...
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09:06<mxey>DodoPahim: Don't ask to ask, just ask.
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09:09<DodoPahim>i run in the server: nttcp -i -p 3389 and in the client: nttcp -p 3389 -T (server ip) . The transmission start in 3389 port and after they change by itself to the port 5039.
09:10<sheldonh>HarDGuN: by the way, that host output confirms that you have at least one lame dns server. as suggested to at least twice in the last 24 hours, try using the name servers in /etc/resolv.conf
09:11<Aleric>mke2fs -b 4096 -F -L "DVD+R 53" -m 0 -N 2 -O sparse_super spiderman.2002.720p.x264.iso; tune2fs -i 0 -c 0 spiderman.2002.720p.x264.iso
09:11<Aleric>Hope that will work ...
09:11<HarDGuN>k mate]
09:11<HarDGuN>but dnsdump taking so long
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09:12<HarDGuN>but i'll try
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09:14<sheldonh>Aleric: mke2fs to make an iso?
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09:15<Aleric>sheldonh: Is there a better way?
09:15<mxey>eeh... why should you put extfs into an _ISO_ image?
09:15<sheldonh>Aleric: honestly, i usually just use something high-level like k3b
09:16<mxey>ISO is a completely different FS.
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09:16<Aleric>mxey: iso9660 can only write files of 2^32 bytes.
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09:17<Aleric>Well, s/iso/dvd image/ :p
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09:17<mxey>Aleric: Which will make them readable only on Linux.
09:17<mxey>(and maybe the *BSDs with ext support)
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09:19<Aleric>But I rather do it this way then compress a .mkv from 4693756082 to 4294967295 bytes :/
09:19<Aleric>That takes me 6 hours.
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09:22<naveen>hii every buddy
09:23<Aleric>Man,this is a kernel bug... My machine is almost locked up (I can't see what I type here, because it 'stalls' for 10 seconds every 10 seconds)
09:23<Aleric>At the same time, it's using 0% cpu, and virtually no harddisk...
09:23<Aleric>(I'm copying the 4.7 GB file to the loop mounted filesystem
09:24<Aleric>Needless to say it's taking forever
09:24<klys>can't telnet in to do df?
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09:25<monra>how to i have colours in files and so in konsole?
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09:26<monra>i mean files have different colors and so on
09:26<monra>Aleric, when writing ls all folders are black
09:27<monra>everythings is in black letters. I won't to change that
09:27<padski>ls --color=auto
09:27<monra>this works only once
09:27<padski>alias ls='ls --color=auto'
09:27<Aleric>ls --color=auto
09:27<Aleric>I made ls an alias for that.
09:27<padski>or something
09:28<padski>monra: I would ten never to do that in the root account though
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09:29<myrka>can't get wodim working
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09:32<dennis_>anybody here have problem with they're machine not booting under etch with "waiting for root filesystem" ?
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09:32<padski>myrka: reckon you'll need to be more specific about what you have tried and what hapenned
09:32<Aleric>dennis_: Try #debian.bad.english
09:32<padski>dennis_: I think you get that when it can't find the root filesystem
09:33<padski>Aleric: huh ?
09:33<dennis_>i just install the machine and then use the module assistant to install ndiswrapper en reboot.
09:33<Aleric>padski: Come on, what he said makes no sense :/
09:33<mxey>Aleric: hey, that is my style of conversation!
09:33<dennis_>i found some docs on google suggesting its udev, but i can't figure out why
09:34<Aleric>I haven't been a machine in a long time by the way.
09:34<myrka>k3b doesnt write disk
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09:34<myrka>everything seems to be ok (power calib etc)
09:34<mxey>Life make sense no all at.
09:34<myrka>drive even starts working
09:34<myrka>bot no writing
09:34<myrka>buffers stay empty
09:34<dennis_>is there a command to update udev ?
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09:35<myrka>and i cant kill 2 wodims staying on process list
09:36<padski>dennis_: hmm. what device is it trying to load it from ?
09:36[~]Aleric notes that a file of 4693756082 does not fit on an ext2 image of 4700000000 bytes. In fact, not even close. I couldn't get more than 4685697024 byte on it :/
09:36<dennis_>anyone know about udev needing to be updated after installing ndiswrapper or reformatting and remounting disk, because it seems to
09:37<treyh0>is there an apt preference or some way i can disable dealing with configuration files on package upgrades? instead of seeing the Y/I, N/K, D or Z options to install a new 'config file', I would just like to always specify No/Keep
09:37<dennis_>i've got 2 ide hardisk and the / is on /dev/hda aswell as the mbr and grub beeing on that disk
09:37<padski>myrka: I confess to using k3b. its been a long time since burning didn't "just work" for me
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09:38<sheldonh>treyh0: i think you'd do that by limiting the debconf priority for dpkg-reconfigure
09:39<Aleric>padski: Try burning a file with k3b that is larger than 4294967295 bytes.
09:39<Aleric>A data DVD project with a file etc*
09:39<padski>Aleric: that about 4G ?
09:39<treyh0>sheldonh: oh sweet, thanks!
09:39<HarDGuN>i've put these two nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf "" and " " but no use
09:39<sheldonh>treyh0: haven't done it myself, but it smells like the right stuff
09:40<Aleric>Like I said before, iso9660 doesn't do files larger than 4 GB
09:40<HarDGuN>am i have to reboot ?
09:40<treyh0>sheldonh: yeah, i didn't even think of that
09:40<treyh0>i'll try
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09:40<sheldonh>HarDGuN: a reboot is not required. sounds like it's time to seek the assistance of your network administrator or ISP
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09:41<HarDGuN>it not isp problem cuz mozilla works fine and amsn
09:41<HarDGuN>how they works if there is big problem
09:41<sheldonh>treyh0: aha, there you go: dpkg-reconfigure debconf
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09:42<HarDGuN>i think it little prob but i can't get to a solution ...
09:42<sheldonh>HarDGuN: so what doesn't work until you ping?
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09:43<sheldonh>HarDGuN: oh, and if mozilla's using a proxy server, it leaves the dns lookups up to the proxy server, so it may not be a useful data point
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09:44<sobersabre>hi again
09:44<HarDGuN>xchat and gaim and kopete
09:44<sobersabre>need help with PAM.
09:44<HarDGuN>and aptitude
09:44<sobersabre>for some reason I cannot login into gdm with NIS users.
09:45<HarDGuN>but why opendns nameservers never worked with me ?!
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09:45<HarDGuN>there supposed to be solution to broken dns problem
09:46<sheldonh>HarDGuN: i can't help you. your descriptions are too vague, and you don't have enough experience with network diagnostics for my advice to be useful
09:46<sheldonh>(too vague _for_ _me_, i should have said)
09:47<HarDGuN>look i've seen this hundreds of time Err lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
09:47<HarDGuN> Could not connect to (, connection timed out
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09:47<HarDGuN>i just wanna know why (
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09:48<petemc>ive seen shitty routers with bogey dns implementations that do that
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09:50<sheldonh>HarDGuN: use a pastebin service to show us the contents of /etc/resolv.conf (googling for "pastebin" first if you don't know what that is)
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09:52<HarDGuN>look sheldoh this is my /etc/resolv.conf file contents
09:52<sheldonh>HarDGuN: if opendns doesn't work for you, you've either mangled resolv.conf or host.conf, or your dns provider is broken (which is why i suggested your isp or network administrator -- it may be the vendor of the router that you should speak to)
09:53<sheldonh>that's it, i'm so done, you're obviously trying to rankle me
09:53<HarDGuN>no no im so sorry
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09:53<HarDGuN>but resolv.conf is okay ?
09:53<sheldonh> /ignore is the answer to peace on irc
09:54<sheldonh>i wish there was a way to get your time back from people who set out to waste it
09:54<sasha>hi i would like to report a bug with reportbug but i don t want to use my work email and i have no mta on my debian is it possible to use a gmail address
09:54<sheldonh>sasha: search the reportbug manual page for email
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10:03<Aleric>Hmmpf, it's even slower... This is going to take me 9 hours of full cpu use (all four cores) :/
10:03<Aleric>I hate the sound the cooling that long :\
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10:08<dim>hi ppl
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10:38<lee_>eh hi
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11:00<dennis_>after a another reinstallation i'm back ones more to try and find why my machine is failing to boot randomly with "waiting for root filesystem"
11:01<dennis_>does anyone have any idea why udev is failing like this ?
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11:02<kess77>dennis_:did you recently recompile your kernel?
11:03<dennis_>i installed ndiswrapper and samba , thats all.
11:03<sasha>hi , i need to download an old version of freetds could anyone tell me where
11:03<dennis_>it even happend without installing anything
11:04<dpkg>sdn is, like, go to to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems.
11:04<dennis_>just a reboot is enough after installation
11:04<sasha>snapshot , hehe , i just love debian
11:05<dennis_>i has happened to me 6 times now after installing etch from the netinstall disk, reboot the machine and bammm it fails to boot like that....
11:05<dennis_>suse always worked fine, but 10.3 was not to my liking so i switched os
11:07<kess77>during the install/partition-disks are you accepting default settings?
11:07<dennis_>its sister machine (the same hardware) orkes fine
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11:07<dennis_>no, i do it manually...why ?
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11:08<sasha>what is .dsc file name in snapshot site ?
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11:09<dennis_>i make one swap one / and on the second disk /data thats all
11:09<kess77>just wondering if the installer is expecting one particular type filesystem
11:10<dennis_>i use ext3 ion both
11:10<dennis_>should it be something else ? because i keep reading it got something todo with udev needing an update
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11:13<dennis_>is there an update command for udev ? apt-get update/upgrade udev doesn't work it says it already the newest version
11:13<padski>dennis_: what kernel are you using ?
11:13<dennis_>hold on let me do a uname -r i think it the 686 one though
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11:14<padski>dennis_: stock etch kernel, yes ?
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11:14<dennis_>yes indeed
11:15<x>hello all
11:15<x>good day
11:15<dennis_>hey man
11:15<x>i need help here
11:15<x>i got problem in installing pidgin on debian etch
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11:15<x>can somebody help me ?
11:15<padski>dennis_: AFIAK, the udev in etch should work ust fine with the kernel in etch. what device does the kernel report attempting to read the root filesystem from ?
11:16<x>when i typed apt-get install pidgin
11:16<x>there is no pkg named pidgin
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11:16<padski>x: pidgin was called gaim when etch was released
11:16<x>padski, can i use musictracker with gaim ?
11:16<mxey>The obvious solution, _too_ obvious.
11:16<dennis_>? the main harddrive /dev/hda, or is that not what you mean ?
11:16<padski>x: no idea
11:17<padski>dennis_: it is debice node numbers. something like 03:01
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11:17<dennis_>hold on, i will reboot it and see i am in ramfs now
11:18<dennis_>for the love of it, now it boot just fine , $#$5%*&
11:18<padski>dennis_: actually come to think of it ... its not like that with an initramfs ... what is the root line in your fstab
11:18<padski>dennis_: lol
11:18<x>padski, apt-get install gaim ?
11:19<dennis_>can i check that whilst in x ?
11:19<padski>x: I imagine so, yes.
11:19<dennis_>like in fstab
11:19<padski>dennis_: I don't understand the question
11:20<dennis_>0 0 /dev/hda2 / ext3 default, errors=remount-ro 0
11:21<x>anybody here use musictracker ?
11:21<dennis_>its fails wriht after it says that it mount the root filesystem and is trying to run a /local/*** script
11:22<dennis_>no i buy all my cd's... i like originals
11:23<padski>dennis_: ok. so, its mounting the root ok then ?
11:24<dennis_>this time....yes...i rebooting again though
11:25<dennis_>and again it boots just fine.....sigh
11:25<dennis_>i think it a case of when your at the doctor the symptoms are gone... :-)
11:26<padski>dennis_: or an intmittent fault
11:26<dennis_>swa, thats possible
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11:26<padski>my typing is worse than usual today
11:26<dennis_>the only real diffirence between the 2 machine, one of wich is working fine is the mainboard
11:27<dennis_>one is a Asus p5ld2 and the other a p5ld2-se
11:27<dennis_>its really anoying to have this issue
11:28<dennis_>and since i have to work on it, i need to be able to rely on the mahcine aswell
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11:30<x>anybody know how to install pidgin on debian ?
11:30<alephnull>apt-get install pidgin ?
11:30<x>apt-get install pidgin, could not find any pkg named pidgin
11:30<cahoot>x, etch?
11:30<alephnull>Or rather, aptitude.
11:31<x>cahoot, yes
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11:31<cahoot>x, IIRC you need something called a backport then
11:31<Eulex>x, gaim then.
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11:32<x>cahoot, yes, can u help me with that ?
11:32<dennis_>somebody suggested that replace initramfs with yaird
11:32<padski>dennis_: the truly great thing about free software is that you can roll up your sleeves and understand what is going on. The alternative is to buy your installation from someone who will support it. the support here is excellent, but you are expected to put your back into it
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11:32<cahoot>x, no never tried such
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11:32<x>is it gaim == pidgin ?
11:33<dennis_>yeah, i know, but how am i not doing my best to solv this then ?
11:33<padski>dennis_: you need to arrive at as accurate as possible a description of what is happening as possible.
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11:33<dennis_>hmmm...maybe your right, but i have not so much experience
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11:35<dennis_>let me try and get the most acurate one possible and come back....
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11:35<padski>dennis_: it is a bizarre set of symptoms. maybe you will do better with google. hard to say without getting into it a lot deeper. you could try another distro, to try to rule out some types of error
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11:36<x>alephnull, FYI, i also need pidgin-dev and other -dev because i want to compile musictracker
11:36<x>Not Found
11:36<x>The requested URL /debian/etch/pidgin2.2/ was not found on this server.
11:36<x>Apache/1.3.34 Server at Port 80
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11:37<donny>bugzilla broken in etch?
11:37<padski>donny: define broken ;-)
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11:39<donny>someone: how about "doesn't work out-of-the-box?" :P
11:39<Eulex>donny, is it supposed to?
11:39<donny>so i've been trying to drag bugzilla kicking and screaming into some state of working. i can't seem to login to mysql with the bugzilla account. i even reset the password myself. mysql -u bugzilla -p always fails
11:39<gmob>cassio yo
11:39<donny>Eulex, more or less. it shouldn't say "can't connect to database"
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11:40<Eulex>donny, if you can't login to mysql, wouldn't that be a mysql problem?
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11:41<donny>Eulex, well i'm not entirely sure i know everything about MySQL. i didn't think mysql would be this broken, but i'd believe bugzilla was a little overlooked, and perhaps did something to its mysql login account that i don't know to look for
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11:42<Eulex>donny, I mean that you need to setup mysql correctly to be able to login as that user, not that mysql itself would be broken.
11:43<tomdick>is there a security related channel on freenode?
11:43<donny>Eulex, well.. ok. what do i need to do to bring the out-of-the-box configuration to a correct configuration then?
11:43<Eulex>donny, I don't know, I never installed bugzilla.
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11:43<alephnull>x: oops. Sorry. Perhaps you can search
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11:44<Eulex>donny, in any case, also, are you assuming that installing bugzilla would create a user in a local mysql server? what about people who don't want the bugzilla software to not use a _local_ mysql server? and I imagine that security in creating such a user by default wouldn't be very high.
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11:44<donny>found at least one other person having a similar problem:
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11:45<donny>damnit, fucking xchat.. i keep hitting ^W to delete a word... argh
11:45<donny>who was i speaking to? lol
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11:45<Eulex><Eulex> donny, in any case, also, are you assuming that installing bugzilla would create a user in a local mysql server? what about people who don't want the bugzilla software to not use a _local_ mysql server? and I imagine that security in creating such a user by default wouldn't be very high.
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11:46<padski>donny: lol
11:46<donny>Eulex, well part of the bugzilla configuration process that was invoked by apt/dpkg prompted me about those things and i chose the default values which involved creating a bugzilla mysql user and database
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11:46<Eulex>donny, ok.
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11:47<donny>well i guess i'm going to remove bugzilla and try to install a more recent version from source
11:48<donny>or binaries i guess if they have ones for my system..
11:48<Eulex>using the official one in debian is very much recommended.
11:49<donny>Eulex, using the official one in debian is very much broken
11:49<Eulex>I doubt it.
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11:49<donny>i mean i just installed this system, i have literally done nothing to it besides install xchat
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11:50<Eulex>I think your problem is a configuration one, not a bug in the software.
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11:51<donny>Eulex, i chose all the default values
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11:52<donny>Eulex, if it's a configuration problem, then the defaults aren't sane
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11:52<donny>Eulex, anyhow i don't care, i'll probably have it installed this way soon enough
11:52<Eulex>*shrug*. read the documentation. no wonder it doesn't work if you cannot even login as the bugzilla user (assuming that you give it the correct password).
11:53<Eulex>I'd also suggest reading your logs, for finding clues to why stuff might not work.
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11:57<donny>Eulex, the bugzilla configuration process created the password for me
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11:57<donny>Eulex, you aren't ever supposed to have to login as the bugzilla mysql user manually
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12:02<Eulex>donny, ok
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12:05<pengol>hi there ... In a shell script how do i portably know which file a symlink poin to?
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12:24<donny>Eulex, seems there's a bug report #426701
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12:26<donny>also 419278
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12:37<D4rky`>can anyone tell me a good firewall script ?..
12:37<dpkg>firewall is, like, a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection
12:37<D4rky`>to protect my debian from ddos atack`s
12:37<D4rky`>can u sugest me one Supaplex ? :p
12:37<JasonS>D4rky`: unplug the computer then,
12:37<Supaplex>ifdown -a
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12:38<JasonS>actually i wasnt totally joking :)
12:38<the_bull>hello all
12:38<D4rky`>i need to keep it connected ;)
12:38<the_bull>i am having problem with my localhost
12:38<JasonS>D4rky`: well a decent ddos will knock it off and your firewall won't help
12:39<D4rky`>yes. but you must know what`s the better firewall script... to give me a sugestion
12:39<the_bull>it worked fine till last day...but cannot load itself...just saying that.."not found"
12:39<Supaplex>D4rky`: your upstream providers are more equiped for ddos aversion. and don't tell me you consider ssh hack attemtps ddos.
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12:40<the_bull>is there nyone who can help me regarding apache2?
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12:40<D4rky`>Supaplex ... i really need to have a good firewall so i will not be ddosed...
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12:41<JasonS>D4rky`: a firewall or at least one on your home etc wont stop a ddos, why do you think you are in danger?
12:41<the_bull>is there nyone who can help me regarding apache2+localhost?
12:42<D4rky`>i have a counter strike and shoutcast server on it... and there are public...
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12:42<JasonS>D4rky`: yes
12:42<D4rky`>so i am the targed of many attacks
12:42<fxiny>of course
12:42<JasonS>D4rky`: how do you know?
12:42<Supaplex>D4rky`: regardless of the firewall design, the ability to limit ddos attacks from affecting the machine it's installed on is a lost cause. didn't you ask this last week?
12:43<D4rky`>nop...first time here
12:43<fxiny>same unplug answer
12:43<fxiny>i'm sure JasonS gave the unplug answer
12:43<the_bull>is there nyone who can help me regarding apache2+localhost?
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12:44<D4rky`>fxiny try it yourself this solution ;)
12:44<fxiny>or am i in a parallel univers ' :))
12:44<Supaplex>D4rky`: the data/payload in the ddos attack is already commited once it reaches your network interfaces. firewalling it's nice, but it's not going to free up any noticable bandwidth
12:44<fxiny>D4rky`: why ? i do not run such servers
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12:46<fxiny>D4rky`: i have a collection of rusty packestorm flooders somewhere :)
12:47<JasonS>if a ddos attack could knock amazon and cnn off D4rky` theres not much your home system can do
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12:48<D4rky`>JasonS right...
12:48<Supaplex>it's not ddos if your 9600baud modem can't maintain a ppp connection ;)
12:49<fxiny>cnn knocked dow ? i knew amazon yeahhh
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12:49<JasonS>fxiny: didnt they get knocked down by the same attack? or am i having an alzimers moment?
12:50<fxiny>does it load quicker on iceweasel now ? :P
12:50<fxiny>JasonS: not you : its me on alzi :)
12:50<SharkMa-san>I lol @ iceweasel :P
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12:51[~]Supaplex pats flwm+dillo
12:51<fxiny>nemesis : all those unfrienly sites deserve ddwoodo
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12:54<JasonS>guess they got ddosd?
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12:58<fxiny>i can find only the 2000 tzunami-ddos , hmmm
12:59<JasonS>wonder how long till they come back and ask that again
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13:00<fxiny>JasonS: you know the answer :))
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13:02<fxiny>i'm more concerned about idiots resetting torrents streams since i get the mit lectures : pretty illegal those comcasters !
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13:04<yigal>is there a debian way for installing nvidia drivers on sid? When I attempt to download nvidia-glx the out put is: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-100.14.19 which is a virtual package. - and then it gives up?
13:04<Supaplex>!mmorpg fxiny's ddos proof firewall
13:04<Supaplex>!mmorpg test
13:04<fxiny>and all those storm-truppen are winblows owned pseudo-box so as the french say : cherchez la femme !
13:04<Supaplex>ahh fooey. :P
13:05<fxiny>Supaplex: morph does nothing to me : i'm behind the strongest of all firewalls :)
13:05<chealer>yigal: yes
13:05<Supaplex>fxiny: my factoid is busticated
13:06<yigal>chealer: good, I am partially relieved could you point me towards gaining this knowledge?
13:06<fxiny>Supaplex: why ? i'm always ready for a laugh : factoid me up at will
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13:07<Supaplex>!mmorpg fxiny
13:07[~]dpkg fires off a few Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenades at fxiny for a total of 232 damage!
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13:08<chealer>!tell yigal about ngd
13:09<fxiny>Supaplex: they (the dolphins) are all pavlov trained : higly skilled on catching such weapons
13:09<Supaplex>that won't stop them from going boom
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13:10<fxiny>Supaplex: i am the fastest torpedo ever : no underwater machine can reach my speed . try a fxiny rot13 :)
13:11<yigal>chealer: the problem is that I cannot install nvidia-glx because of dependency errors
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13:27<seanius>donny: you accepted the defaults for everything, does that mean you didn't provide a password?
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13:33<sgr>i have an error when i install lenny
13:33<sgr>i search on web but i don't think that
13:34<george>what did you search for
13:34<sgr>Failure trying to run: chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc
13:35<george>why don't you install etch and then upgrade
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13:36<sgr>i don't use the etch's netinstall
13:36<george>why not get it
13:37<george>install only the base of etch
13:37<george>upgrade that base
13:37<george>then go from there to install what you want
13:37<sgr>My drivers from the graphics card is not recognized
13:37<george>do you need those drivers to -install-?
13:37<sgr>yes for netinstall
13:38<sgr>i haven't dvd-r
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13:38<george>what do you see when you boot the netinstall cd?
13:39<sgr>It blocks the installation of the base system
13:40<george>that wasn't the question
13:40<george>the question is, what do you see when you boot?
13:40<sgr>the logo debian ?
13:40<george>ahh, so you don't need video drivers to see that...
13:40<george>do you see boot: at the bottom?
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13:41<george>ok, good... then:
13:41<donny>seanius, i allowed it to generate a password for the bugzilla mysql login. i left the database administrator's password blank because by default on debian, it is blank. i have since changed it, however
13:42<george>you can install etch base, NONE of which will need the driver at that time.
13:42<donny>seanius, you have any idea where the bugzilla package adds the handler for the /bugzilla resource in apache? i grepped through the /etc/apache2 directory and found no mention of bugzilla (i want to remove it since i've now done a manual install of bugzilla)
13:42<george>then you can try rebooting once you've installed nothing except the base
13:42<ramoonas>hi all, does xfce4 stores logs anywhere?
13:43<george>does it see your net card?
13:43<sgr>ok thx
13:43<Eulex>donny, you didn't remove the debian bugzilla first?
13:43<seanius>donny: i don't know about the apache stuff, but the mysql info it created for you is in /etc/dbconfig-common/bugzilla.conf
13:43<sgr>george, with netinstall cd ?
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13:43<seanius>and possibly autogenerated into a config file from that later
13:43<george>sgr: yeah
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13:43<Eulex>ramoonas, stdout from X apps started from most display managers is redirected to ~/.xsession-errors.
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13:44<sgr>ok i try it
13:44<george>what is the chipset of your net card? also, what kind of disk do you have?
13:44<donny>Eulex, i did, and the package did not remove .. whatever it added to apache that makes the /bugzilla resource redirect to /cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi. yes i have restarted apache
13:44<ramoonas>eulex: thanks i will have a look
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13:44<Eulex>donny, oh, that's evil
13:44<donny>seanius, yes, it's interesting that uninstalling (even with --purge) does not remove that file
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13:44<sgr>sorry intel net card
13:45<george>ok, like an eepro100?
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13:45<sgr>Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN
13:45<Eulex>sgr, you need the iwlwifi driver.
13:46<Chopin>hello :) where r u people ?? i cannot see you unless you'r talking.. i'm on xchat 2.8.2
13:46<george>Eulex: can he get that if he starts with etch?
13:46<sgr>what's kernel module with that ?
13:46<Chopin>any help about how to show users ? lol
13:46<Eulex>george, I don't believe so. not while installing, at least
13:46<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
13:46<Eulex>sgr, iwlwifi.
13:46<dpkg>well, iwlwifi is the new driver for the Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets and can be found at It doesn't need the binary regulatory daemon but is not easy to get to work with kernels older than 2.6.21 or so. It is not directly supported by Debian at present although the microcode is in the package firmware-iwlwifi. For a Debian howto, see
13:46<george>Chopin: what, you want our picksure?
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13:46<Chopin>hahah ok
13:46<sgr>ok thx
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13:47<Chopin>george, i can't even see the names
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13:47<Eulex>sgr, basically, install debian (without internet access), then transfer the stuff needed to build iwlwifi to it and build it. or just temporarily use wired internet.
13:48<sgr>but i use net card by rj45 and etch do not know
13:48<Eulex>what's the chipset of your wired network card?
13:48<Chopin>ok i'm retard
13:49<Chopin>so.. has anyone installed beryl on deb ?
13:49<Eulex>but not I
13:49<george>beryl is an old project... it's considered dead by the developers
13:49<sgr>Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation Unknown device 1713 (rev 02)
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13:49<Chopin>haha from here i mean , i was trying to today but with no luck
13:49<Chopin>george, any new project similar to beryl ?
13:49<sgr>compiz ?
13:49<Eulex>sgr, you've got some linux installed on it?
13:49<george>there's that compiz fusion thing
13:50<Chopin>compiz ? i'll check that also thanx
13:50<sgr>Eulex, backup
13:50<george>you'll need dri/drm working I think
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13:53<Chopin>is it difficult to install compiz ? any well known tutorial, i will search alsi but in case you happen to know any i ask
13:53<ramoonas>eulex: xsession-errors says that there xserver is already running at display :0, but it doesnt. Not until i start gdm manually
13:53<ramoonas>how come?
13:53<sgr>thx i try it
13:54<Eulex>ramoonas, you may ignore that warning, as that is just startxfce4 discovering the X server that gdm has started.
13:55<ramoonas>it is strange though, it worked fine until i tried to create multi-monitor enviroment, once i put backup xorg.conf back in its place (which worked fine previously) gdm starts, it starts xfce4 and then monitor shuts down if there is no signal
13:55<ramoonas>any ideas?
13:56<ramoonas>and i cant stop gdm either once it is launched, only reboot stops it
13:56<ramoonas>how come?
13:57<george>could be many reasons
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13:57<ramoonas>like what?
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13:58<george>too many to list. you're going to have to provide them (I'm leaving so not me) more detailed information so they don't have to get on a reason
13:58<george>err guess on a reason
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14:00<george>for example you havent said why gdm can't be stopped
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14:01<dkfmdslkfjds>does anyone know how you enable apm or acpi in kernel 2.6 so you can put the computer to sleep???
14:01<gpm>/etc/init.d/gdm stop?
14:01<gpm>dkfmdslkfjds: i think it's enabled by default with stock kernels
14:01[~]gpm is no expert though
14:01<tom_>the default vim mode confuses me, any hint? :)
14:01<ramoonas>george, because i have no idea why
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14:02<george>how do you try to stop it?
14:02<ramoonas>gpm: didnt help much
14:02<ramoonas>i tried /etc/init.d/gdm stop, kill -9 processes one by one
14:02<ramoonas>it didnt help
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14:02<ramoonas>it just hangs
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14:03<gpm>hangs? like at the login screen?
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14:03<gpm>why do you want to stop it anyway?
14:03<gpm>if you don't want it, just remove it or update-rc.d -f gdm remove
14:03<ramoonas>no, login screen ok, but when i try to login, monitor shuts down as if there is no signal
14:04<gpm>oooh, weird
14:04<ramoonas>and then i cant even stop it
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14:04<gpm>can you switch to a VC?
14:04<ramoonas>no, i want it :)
14:04<ramoonas>please explain :)
14:04<george>what happens if you stop it before you try to log in
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14:05<ramoonas>give me a sec i will try both :)
14:05<ramoonas>ctrl-alt-f1 > no effect
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14:05<george>one thing that will be helpful:
14:05<george>any error message you get, they will need its -exact- text
14:06<ramoonas>xserver and gdm does not report any (EE) entries in their log files
14:06<ramoonas>xfce says something about XF86
14:06<ramoonas>give me a sec
14:06<ramoonas>i will paste
14:06<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
14:07<ramoonas>i know :) it is not my first time when i am using this channel :)
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14:07<george>consider that a preemptive strike :P
14:07<ramoonas>sorry my english isnt very good, whats preemptive?
14:07<ramoonas>you precaution?
14:08<george>nm, not important...
14:08<george>sure, precaution
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14:09<ramoonas>** Message: This build doesn't include support for XF86Misc extension
14:09<ramoonas>** Message: Querying Xkb extension
14:09<ramoonas>** Message: Xkb extension found
14:09<ramoonas>this is ~/.xsession-errors
14:09<ramoonas>thats all
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14:11<ramoonas>anyone? :)
14:11<Cytrax>does anyone know if its possible to raid to SATA drives even after I have done the base install on debian?
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14:12<BoBo`>how install on my linux webmin ?
14:12<BoBo`>apt-get install ?
14:12<BoBo`>what ?
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14:13<dpkg>from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
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14:17<gpm>ramoonas: what if you try startx instead of gdm?
14:17<Cytrax>BoBo`, the best way is to download it from
14:17<JasonS>Cytrax: they best way is to not use it
14:17<BoBo`>how install webmin_1.370_all.deb
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14:18<BoBo`>i have lib
14:18<ramoonas>gpm: strange
14:18<ramoonas>it started
14:18<gpm>dpkg -i .deb
14:18[~]dpkg installs .deb into gpm's head with a bone saw and a few screws
14:18<Supaplex>BoBo`: you read no well very, or just choose not to/
14:18<ramoonas>however it isnt loading anything else
14:18<gpm>ramoonas: well, it will load whatever's in your ~/.xinitrc file
14:18<Cytrax>lol - BoBo` if you wanna use something on your system then its your choice :)
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14:18<gpm>ramoonas: so if you wanted to start gnome, you would put gnome-session in there
14:19<ramoonas>i wanted to load xfce
14:19<ramoonas>give me a sec ill try
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14:19<Eulex>ramoonas, startxfce4.
14:19<gpm>yeah, put startxfce4 in there
14:19<gpm>i only use gdm because i like it auto-logging me in
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14:20<ramoonas>do i need #! /bin/bash?
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14:21<ramoonas>umm... here is a silly question, how do i stop xserver now when i started it with startx
14:21<ramoonas>it shows nice debian logo though :)
14:21<ramoonas>but not anything else
14:22<cahoot>try ctrl-alt-backspace
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14:23<ramoonas>i already typed "reboot" that has to work :D
14:25<ramoonas>same thing, monitor just goes blank
14:25<ramoonas>probably xfce4 issue
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14:37<Br01>hi all
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14:37<Br01>i install kde and kdm using terminal
14:37<Br01>and when i restart
14:37<Br01>the server graphic dont start
14:38<Br01>i get again the terminal
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14:40<gpm>ramoonas: what version of debian?
14:41<gpm>Br01: does it try to start?
14:41<ramoonas>i am currently trying to get gnome desktop environment running, if it works then it is a definately xfce issue
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14:43<Br01>when i restart i get again the only the terminal
14:43<gpm>Br01: your screen doesn't flash at all or anything before dumping you to console?
14:43<gpm>update-rc.d kdm defaults
14:44<ramoonas>gpm: sorry for my english :)
14:44<Br01>i installed with apt-get install kde kdm
14:44<gpm>lots of native speakers misspell that word
14:44<ramoonas>i am not from english speaking country you know :)
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14:44<ramoonas>i am not native speaker
14:44<gpm>Br01: try the command i just gave you
14:44<gpm>ramoonas: i know, i'm trying to make you feel better
14:44<ramoonas>i guess :)
14:45<gpm>no i'm saying it's ok to misspell definitely, lots of people do. even people who speak english as their first language
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14:46<arucard>hows it goin
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14:46<arucard>i have a old computer from 1993
14:46<arucard>ms-dos windows 3.1
14:46<Br01>gpm, hi says system already exists
14:47<ramoonas>gpm: gdm seems to be working fine
14:47<dli_>arucard, , 486?
14:47<arucard>intel 486 dx or what ever
14:47<gpm>Br01: /etc/init.d/kdm restart?
14:47<ramoonas>sorry not gdm but gnome :)
14:47<arucard>what can i get it to run
14:47<gpm>ramoonas: oh, so it's xfce? :(
14:47<Br01>i try restart ?
14:47<gpm>windows 3.1
14:47<dli_>arucard, ram and hdd would be too tight for etch:(
14:47<gpm>Br01: you could try that
14:47<gpm>or /etc/init.d/kdm start
14:48<dli_>arucard, do you know how much ram/hdd
14:48<arucard>so i will just leave 3.1 on it
14:48<ramoonas>seems that way
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14:48<Br01>/etc/init.d/kdm already exist
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14:48<arucard>well i found this pc
14:48<gpm>Br01: good. then try running /etc/init.d/kdm start
14:48<arucard>another intel 468 dx
14:48<arucard>i opened it up
14:49<ramoonas>i think xfce cant handle multi-monitor and messes some configuration files
14:49<Br01>the command ?
14:49<ramoonas>i wonder if gnome works with multi monitors
14:49<gpm>of course it does
14:49<Supaplex>well yeaw
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14:49<Br01>gpm what i shoud write in the consol
14:49<ramoonas>well we will just see about that, i have a nice habit of crashing everything that should work :)
14:50<gpm>/etc/init.d/kdm start
14:50<gpm>then push enter
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14:51<Br01>kdm already running
14:51<ramoonas>gpm: are there any other desktop environments that are similar to xfce?. Gnome and kde are good, but too fat for me
14:51<Br01>after what i should do ?
14:51<gpm>Br01: well what happens when you run that?
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14:52<gpm>Br01: oh
14:52<Br01>sytem kdm already running
14:52<gpm>ok, what happens if you try switching to vc 7 (ctrl-alt-f7)?
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14:52<gpm>you sunk my battleship
14:52<jaman>oi analucia
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14:53<Br01>gpm nothin happen
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14:54<Br01>gpm nothing happen
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14:54<gpm>Br01: just a blank screen?
14:54<Br01>no change
14:54<gpm>you have to push them simultaneously, not one after another
14:55<Br01>yes i know
14:55<gpm>ok, then try /etc/init.d/kdm stop
14:55<gpm>then run startx
14:55<gpm>what happens?
14:56<gpm>it's two extra letters
14:56<gpm>you don't have to tell me to wait, i'll do it anyway
14:57<Br01>lol ok :)
14:57<Br01>he say
14:57<Br01>x: cannot
14:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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14:58<Br01>gpm, i installed apt-get install kde kdm
14:58<Br01>shoud i install another paquets
14:59<gpm>what is the error message when you try startx?
14:59<gpm>paste it
14:59<gpm>the problem is that you can't start X for some reason
14:59<gpm>it's not a missing package
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15:02[~]gpm w8s
15:02<gpm>time for a smoke
15:03<gpm>Br01: yessir, i haven't left yet
15:03<Br01>x: cannot stat /etc/xx/x (no such file or directory)
15:03<gpm>there's no way it says that
15:03<Br01>xinit: connection refused (errno 111)
15:03<gpm>you're playing games
15:04<gpm>Br01: dude, go to
15:04<gpm>and actually copy/paste what the error is
15:04<Br01>xinit: no such process (errno errno 03)
15:04<Br01>i have 2 pc
15:04<gpm>maybe you don't have X installed
15:04<gpm>aptitude install xorg
15:04<Br01>so ?
15:04<Br01>lol ok thx :)
15:04<gpm>you need X to run KDE
15:05<gpm>haha, no i am going, but it'll only be 10 mins. top
15:05<gpm>i'm a quick smoker
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15:06<Br01>ok thank you, take your time
15:09<gpm>haha, ok done killing myself
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15:11<Br01>gpm, no is ok i get kde but in english
15:11<Br01>how to change it
15:11<Br01>to french
15:11<Br01>and also the sound isn't detected
15:12<S3v3N>Hello. I have the problem with debian. When I want to install "apt-get install ssh" it gives me error. E: Package ssh has no installation candidate. Any solution for that problem?
15:13<alaya>S3v3N: run apt-get update first
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15:13<S3v3N>i did
15:13<S3v3N>and gives me error too look
15:13<alaya>S3v3N: is your sources.list messed up?
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15:14<S3v3N>W: GPG error: etch/updates Release: Unkown error exe cuting gpgv
15:14<S3v3N>no i think no, i have set that sites for update source list
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15:15<S3v3N>well look i'll check sources.list and i'll tell you what i have but im 100% sure its good
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15:16<S3v3N>deb etch/updates main contrib and deb src etch/updates main contrib
15:16<JasonS>heh last time i heard that S3v3N ...
15:16<S3v3N>and yes i have uncommented lines
15:17<JasonS>S3v3N: sshd
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15:17<S3v3N>apt-get install sshd?
15:17<gpm>Br01: sorry, i don't use kde :( #debian-fr?
15:17<dpkg>Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
15:17<S3v3N>E: Couldn't find package sshd, JasonS
15:18<gpm>!+info openssh-server etch
15:18<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
15:18<JasonS>heh ya gpm thats the one,
15:18<S3v3N>-bash: openssh-server: command not found
15:18<dpkg>openssh-server: (Secure shell server, an rshd replacement), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.3p2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 216 kB, Installed size: 556 kB
15:18<gpm>S3v3N: /etc/init.d/ssh start
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15:18<gpm>or /etc/init.d/ssh restart
15:18<JasonS>S3v3N: apttitude install
15:18<Br01>thx gpm
15:18<S3v3N>no such file or directory
15:18<JasonS>if your doing what i think you are
15:18<Br01>gpm, the sound are not detected
15:18<gpm>aptitude install openssh-server
15:18<S3v3N>command not found JasonS
15:19<S3v3N>command not found gpm
15:19<JasonS>as root
15:19<S3v3N>yes i am logined as root lol
15:19<gpm>S3v3N: aptitude isn't installed?
15:19<gpm>then apt-get install aptitude
15:19<S3v3N>i think not
15:19<gpm>it should be installed by default
15:19<S3v3N>couldn't find package apttitude
15:19<S3v3N>but hey guys
15:19<S3v3N>i couldn't update upgrade debian
15:19<S3v3N>it says
15:19<gpm>aptitude, not apttitude
15:19<S3v3N>i have just basic core to work
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15:20<S3v3N>aptitude is already the newest version it says gpm
15:20<JasonS>S3v3N: apt-get install then? how about that
15:20<gpm>Br01: aptitude install alsa-utils, run alsamixer
15:20<gpm>S3v3N: ok, then run aptitude install openssh-server
15:20<JasonS>S3v3N: aptitude install openssh-server said no package found?
15:20<gpm>no it didn't
15:20<S3v3N>look i'll try again
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15:21<S3v3N>No candidate version found for openssh-server
15:21<S3v3N>No packages will be installed,upgraded or removed
15:21<JasonS>S3v3N: pastebin your sources list please as well as the exact command you used
15:21<Dannys>how to see my fsb on debian?
15:22<S3v3N>ok JasonS wait
15:22<Eulex>Dannys, fsb?
15:22<gpm>how long after S3v3N finally gets sshd running until his system gets hacked and hosed?
15:22<Dannys>front system bus
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15:22<JasonS>gpm: heh
15:22<S3v3N>gpm i wont get hacked bro don't worry about that :D
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15:23<Eulex>Dannys, an operating system that does not 'use' your fsb is a non-working one.
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15:23<Eulex>Dannys, oh, sorry. my brain did an s/see/use. nvm.
15:23<S3v3N>JasonS my sources.list
15:23<S3v3N>should i paste here or on private?
15:23<JasonS>S3v3N: dont paste it here,
15:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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15:25<Dannys>on windows run cpu-z and see all on debian what must run to see all cpuinfo and memory and all
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15:25<alaya>Dannys: less /proc/cpuinfo
15:25<Eulex>Dannys, cat /proc/cpuinfo, perhaps? it does not list your fsb, but it should be calculatable from that info.
15:26<Dannys>my /proc/cpuinfo its empy
15:26<Eulex>Dannys, I don't believe you.
15:26<S3v3N>JasonS all is good, right?
15:26<Eulex>Dannys, did you spell it correctly?
15:26<alaya>Dannys: also /proc/meminfo, 'free' command, et al.
15:27<Dannys>my bad Eulex
15:27<Dannys>i run but not see the fsb
15:27<alaya>S3v3N: you're missing stuff
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15:28<S3v3N>yes i told you i have core only to work
15:28<S3v3N>only basic version for working
15:28<S3v3N>how do i update now to full version so all will work
15:28<JasonS>so add somemirrors
15:28<JasonS>!tell S3v3N about sources.list
15:28<alaya>S3v3N: you only have the security updates, but you need the main repositories also
15:28<JasonS>man that was hard to type :)
15:28<S3v3N>search for that debian 4.0 stable sources.list ?
15:28<alaya>S3v3N: yes
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15:29<alaya>won't dpkg-reconfigure apt also set it up?
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15:32<gpm>only security :P
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15:33<S3v3N>what now guys?
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15:33<gpm>deb main
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15:34<S3v3N>write only this one in sources.list?
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15:35<S3v3N> /debian/ alpha amd64 arm hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc
15:36<S3v3N>write this stuff in and that's it?
15:36<gpm>that's a lot of archs
15:36<gpm>i've got to go. apt-setup if you're confused
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15:36<S3v3N>command not found lol
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15:40<Br01>Error while initializing the sound driver:
15:40<Br01>device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory)
15:40<Br01>The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
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15:48<jan_>i need some helping hand building emul package for amd64
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15:49<jan_>just found the other channel, nevermind
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15:58<poprobson>e ae galera!
15:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:59<george>he might be it
15:59<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
15:59<ifvoid>or isn't spanish?
15:59<ifvoid>ah right ;0
15:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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15:59<george>not sure :) but we are covered now :)
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16:00<george>poprobson: most here speak english, you can too here if you want
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16:05<poprobson>how can I delete prompt /usr/sbin/apache is not executable, not starting/reloading. . . .
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16:11<br01>hi all
16:11<br01>how to install the sound driver ?
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16:13<streuner>usually alsa do that for you
16:13<streuner>br01: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
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16:17<alaya>!tell br01 about alsa
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16:17<br01>streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
16:18<streuner>br01: ok, just run "alsaconf" as root
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16:22<br01>streuner: i install the paquet alsa ?
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16:22<streuner>!find alsaconf
16:22<dpkg>Debian Search of 'alsaconf' (2): (/usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/alsaconf.vim, /usr/share/vim/vim71/ftplugin/alsaconf.vim) in editors/vim-runtime ;; (/usr/sbin/alsaconf, /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/, /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/ in sound/alsa-utils.
16:23<streuner>apt-get install alsa-utils
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16:24<streuner>apt-get install alsa-utils && alsaconf
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16:24<streuner>it opens a little GUI, after you finished you just unmute volume (aumix), done.
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16:26<br01>i will back
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16:30<br01>streuner: Error while initializing the sound driver:
16:30<br01>device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)
16:30<br01>The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
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16:31<streuner>/dev/dsp is OSS
16:31<tiCo_>br01: do you have enough permission on this file?
16:32<tiCo_>maybe you need to add the user to the group sound or however it's called ;)
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16:32<br01>he detect two card
16:32<br01>and i have only one
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16:32<br01>i chose legaly or intel
16:32<streuner>br01: run "lspci -v | grep -i audio"
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16:33<br01>i chose legacy or intel
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16:33<streuner>show us the output of that command in paste bot
16:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or or for pics.
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16:33<br01>okk streuner
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16:34<br01>00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
16:34<br01>i chose intel so ;)
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16:39<br01>streuner: Error while initializing the sound driver:
16:39<br01>device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)
16:39<br01>The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
16:39<br01>the same erreur !!
16:40<streuner>What kind of app. do you use?
16:41<br01>and when start kde there is no sound
16:42<qbit>you in the audio group?
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16:44<streuner>try 'xmms' and root in a shell as root
16:45<streuner>try 'xmms' and run it in a shell as root
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16:46<br01>-su: xmms: command not found
16:46<lucas_amorim>Hello, I have just installed an nvidia chipset video card to my lenny box. How should I proceed to install the nvidia-glx drivers?
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16:47<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get
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16:48<lexual>Needs some help, I've tried to report a few bugs, but it doesn't seemed to have happened.
16:48<koollman>someone should do 'everything-included-debian', with all packages installed by default :)
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16:50<chealer>lucas_amorim: did you check the NvidiaGraphicsDrivers guide?
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16:51<lucas_amorim>where is it?
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16:51<chealer>!tell lucas_amorim about ngd
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16:52<lucas_amorim>thanks, I will take a look at that
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16:53<tweak>does anybody know the screen -letters I need to use to make a new screen off hand?
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16:54<tweak>screen -dmS is something that sounds framliar but im not sure :D
16:54<br01>streuner: i add my login to a group audio
16:54<br01>and now all thing is ok
16:54<streuner>!congratulate br01
16:54<dpkg>Nice one br01, you did it!
16:56<br01>lol thx :)
16:56<br01>thank you streuner :)
16:56<streuner>br01: np
16:56<br01>streuner: i don't know i now i'm using my nvidia geforce fx or no
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16:56<br01>there is a command to know that
16:57<streuner>!drxx br01
16:57<dpkg>br01: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
16:57<streuner>and just choose "nv"
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16:57<streuner>if you want 3D its even more complicated
16:58<br01>ok tomorow i'll try ;)
16:58<br01>i'm tired now loool
16:58<streuner>np, just ask there then
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16:58<br01>thank you :)
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17:00<gpm>i like drxx
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17:00<gpm>as an acronym
17:01<vsrinivas>any of you use offlineimap?
17:01[~]tiCo_ <-
17:02<dondelelcaro>!anyone use
17:02<dpkg>No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
17:03<streuner>vsrinivas: just ask
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17:03<vsrinivas>I use it now, but its rather slow for me, so I was considering moving to git
17:03<vsrinivas>but before I try, I want to know if that's a terrible idea
17:03<dondelelcaro>vsrinivas: uh... it shouldn't be slow
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17:04<gpm>hey is there a way to make metacity not draw the window when the window is being moved?
17:04<vsrinivas>dondelelcaro, I have a mailbox with 25k messages; at the current rate, the sync will take 45 days
17:04<vsrinivas>(and I've been syncing for a week now)
17:05<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
17:05<themill>vsrinivas: it sounds like you need faster carrier pigeons for your transfer...
17:05<vsrinivas>themill, it might actually be faster...
17:05<dondelelcaro>vsrinivas: uh... I've got 27k messages in my mailboxes, and a new sync finishes in about 30 minutes
17:05<dondelelcaro>vsrinivas: subsequent syncs take seconds
17:06<dondelelcaro>('course, it'll take longer if your IMAP server or connection is crap)
17:06<vsrinivas>my syncs used to be fast, but moves between folders locally really slowed it down
17:07<dondelelcaro>well, sure, because it has to delete and move the message
17:07<dondelelcaro>'course, you probably shouldn't really have that many messages in a single folder
17:07<dondelelcaro>sounds like you should invest in some archivemail usage
17:08<vsrinivas>I could split them, but I kinda enjoy having all of my archives in one folder...
17:08<vsrinivas>is there anything particularly bad about using git or hg for this?
17:08<dondelelcaro>they aren't designed to do it at all?
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17:10<vsrinivas>does it matter that they weren't designed for it?
17:10<vsrinivas>its just a bunch of files that are mostly never changed...
17:10<dondelelcaro>"mostly" being the key word here
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17:11<vsrinivas>aside, how funny is it that the 'beep' package got an update
17:11<vsrinivas>other than append, there is an occasional delete, which git could handle reasonably...
17:11<dondelelcaro>and adds all the time
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17:12<vsrinivas>are any of these operations that git/hg can't do well?
17:13<dondelelcaro>best of luck finding out why I think it's a bad idea for yourself
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17:14<vsrinivas>thanks! (but what do you think will work poorly)?
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17:34<samer>hi there
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17:35<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:35<dotCOMmie>has anyone done nfsroot with nfsv4?
17:36[~]qbit waits for more bot spam
17:36<streuner>dotCOMmie: just ask in ONE channel and not in every Debian channel please
17:36<themill>!tell dotCOMmie about multiple ask
17:36<streuner>!multiple ask
17:36<dpkg>methinks multiple ask is the chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and oftc at the same time there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying.
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17:37<themill>qbit: we didn't want to disappoint you
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17:37<dotCOMmie>I take it as a no
17:37<streuner>just read the factoid
17:37<streuner>and dont interprete things about
17:38<dotCOMmie>is there a better place to ask, is there #nfs?
17:38<themill>dotCOMmie: please ask a real question about it...
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17:39<dotCOMmie>Im wondering what options to pass to the kernel on boot to have it select nfs version
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17:46<streuner>dotCOMmie: man mount
17:47[~]lakota is a linux newb
17:47<gpm>dotCOMmie: man exports,'s not that hard. nfs kernel support is in the stock debian kernels iirc
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17:48<streuner>official kernels supports (almost) everything (NFS)
17:48<lakota>I need help with debian
17:48<dotCOMmie>If I saw the answer in either man pages, google, kernel docs I wouldn't be asking here
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17:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
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17:49<streuner>dotCOMmie: we just told you
17:49<dotCOMmie>streuner: you didn't tell me shit. Dont be fucking obtuse if you know the answer please point to specific section else STFU.
17:50<lakota>I am running a dual boot and I downloaded the newest ver of debian and I dont think all drivers are installed
17:50<lakota>I now how to find on MS but not on linux
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17:54<lakota>how do you find the equivalent of the device manager on microsoft , on debian ?
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17:54<dotCOMmie>lakota: lspci
17:55<dotCOMmie>lakota: the loaded "drivers" would usually print in dmesg, also you can take a look at lsmod to see what debian loaded for you
17:55<lakota>lspci ?
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18:00<themill>lakota: there's also lsusb for usb devices. /msg dpkg what's my hardware
18:00<lucas_amorim>hello. I am trying to install the nvidia-glx driver but I can't find the package nvidia-kernel-source at apt-get... Where is it?
18:00<lucas_amorim>I am following
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18:01<lucas_amorim>I found nvidia-kernel-common and others but not the one above
18:01<mosty>i have a problem with some programs not being able to resolve dns names. when i use ping test.local it does not query the dns cache i have listed in resolv.conf - anyone know why this may be?
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18:03<chealer>lucas_amorim: do you have non-free and contrib APT sources?
18:03<dkr>mosty: because there is an entry for it in /etc/hosts?
18:04<mosty>dkr, nope i checked that already
18:04<dkr>mosty: /etc/nsswitch.conf is where the order those resources are used is configured
18:04<lucas_amorim>chealer: yes
18:05<chealer>lucas_amorim: did you read the Current issues section?
18:05<mosty>dkr, it's not in /etc/hosts and just to be sure i put "hosts: dns files" in nsswitch.conf
18:05<themill>lucas_amorim: are you running lenny?
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18:05<dkr>mosty: how do you know it's not querying dns?
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18:05<lakota>themill: I am running dual boot and have to switch mack to xp to use irc, I tried to install irc on debian but could not find it to make it run and am not sure i even instaled th right irc client. I would rather not have to switch between debian and windows to use irc to have to ask for help, so any help would be great.. this is my first time in linux and I would really like to give it a fair shot :)
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18:06<dkr>lakota: aptitude install xchat
18:06<mosty>dkr, because the log of my dns cache shows nothing with i use "ping mytest", but i see activity when i do "host mytest"
18:06<themill>lakota: OK. Are you using gnome, kde or the text console?
18:06<lakota>xchat .. thanks
18:06<lucas_amorim>themill: Yes, I am running lenny
18:07<lakota>gnome I think
18:07<themill>lucas_amorim: then you'd better read that "current issues" section that chealer pointed out...
18:07<lucas_amorim>where is this section?
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18:08<mosty>dkr, if i strace ping i can see that it's using a different dns resolution library to host/nslookup
18:08<dkr>mosty: hrm, ping uses libresolv and host uses libdns
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18:08<lakota>Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 "Etch" - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20070819-12:38
18:09<dkr>mosty: (I used ldd :))
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18:09<mosty>dkr, with strace i can see that with ping, libresolv opens /etc/resolv.conf
18:09<themill>lakota: you're probably using gnome, xchat is a fine client for that.
18:10<lakota>ok Ill try that
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18:10<dkr>themill: that's what I said. without all that back and forth. read between the lines more, a mac user isn't likely to be using text console :p
18:11<themill>dkr: xp not mac... and a lot of people are to start with because they can't get X running and that's why they're on irc to begin with ;)
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18:12<dkr>oh, he typo'd mack instead of back. read it as mac. heh
18:12<panagos>can one seamlessly install .deb packages *for debian* on ubuntu?
18:12<themill>dkr: and for a kde user, konversation is much nicer than xchat :)
18:12<themill>panagos: no.
18:12<dkr>not really, they both work
18:12<jagerman>panagos: In some cases, perhaps.
18:12<mosty>dkr, any ideas? this one has me stumped
18:13<themill>dkr: they both work, but we're talking about working nicely :)
18:13<dkr>mosty: I don't. consdiering they both open resolv.conf a fresh each run, it's not like they have cached anything
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18:13<themill>panagos: anything more complicated than a perl script packaged to print out "hello world" is unlikely to work between debian and ubuntu in either direction.
18:13[~]jagerman mentions the utter awesomeness of irssi, since no one else has.
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18:15<mosty>dkr, hmm i think i found it. nscd was causing the problem
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18:33<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:34<sandro>alguem quer tc comigo
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18:49<lucas_amorim>themill: I am having some trouble here. My video card is a GeForce FX5200, but it seems that the sid drivers only support the newer cards
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18:50<lucas_amorim>oh... I wish I were using etch :s
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18:50<themill>lucas_amorim: please ask the channel not a specific person... I'm actually going to bed so I can't help you now...
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18:50<lucas_amorim>ok thank you
18:50<Freak_>I used to use sid, but it broke with xorg 7.3, went back to lenny
18:51<lucas_amorim>Freak_: I am not using sid, I am using lenny
18:51<Freak_>then why do you wish you were using etch? haha
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18:52<lucas_amorim>but it seems lenny does not have the packages I need for nvidia-glx. I have to put unstable in the repos
18:52<lucas_amorim>it seems etch and sid has, but lenny not
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18:52<Freak_>I never use the deb packages for nvidia, I never got them to work properly, the NVIDIA driver from work good though
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18:53<Freak_>the previous ones, not the current ones
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18:55<lucas_amorim>Freak_: Could you gide me through it?
18:55<Freak_>sure, first you have to un-install all the nvidia packages from aptitude
18:55<Freak_>preferably with --purge
18:56<Freak_>which xorg version do you use?
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18:58<lucas_amorim>Freak_: I haven't got them installed
18:59<Freak_>which arch do you use, and which xorg version do you have?
18:59<lucas_amorim>onlky the free nv xorg driver
18:59<Freak_>you can leave that, it won't get in the way
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18:59<lucas_amorim>let me see the xorg version
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19:02<lucas_amorim>Freak_: xorg version is 1:7.2-5
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19:02<Freak_>ok, then use these drivers
19:03<Freak_>you have to quit your X-session to install them though, but the installation is quite self-explanatory
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19:04<lucas_amorim>Freak: ia32???
19:04<Freak_>yeah, because i686 is the i386 arch
19:05<jagerman>It's a little more involved than just "32 bits"
19:05<lucas_amorim>will this support my fx 5200? Where do I chech that?
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19:06<Freak_>yup, according to the supported devices list the fx 5200 is supported
19:06<kurumin>boa noite
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19:08<lucas_amorim>Freak_: SO I just have to run this script and that is all?
19:08<lucas_amorim>no need install kernel modules or so???
19:08<Freak_>no, the script also installs the kernel modules
19:09<lucas_amorim>And when I upgrade my kernel?
19:09<lucas_amorim>Will I have to do something more?
19:10<Freak_>when you upgrade your kernel you have to re-install the driver, because the script builds the modules for your current kernel
19:10<Freak_>the same goes for upgrading your xorg, it still works after upgrading, but the 3d things don't work anymore
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19:11<lucas_amorim>ok then.. I will try that
19:11<lucas_amorim>I will be back soon. I hope :)
19:11<Freak_>ok, good luck
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19:13<dpkg>one warez list being sent to freak_
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19:16<Freak_>that was fast lucas_amorim
19:16<lucas_amorim>Freak_: Probelms...
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19:16<Freak_>what's the prob?
19:17<lucas_amorim>First it says it doesn't have an interface to my kernel and suggests to download from its ftp.. I say yes, it does not find it anyway, then it says it have to compile the interface to my kernel, I say yes...
19:17<Freak_>so far quite normal
19:18<lucas_amorim>It checks the CC version, it needs 4.1 I've got 4.2 I tell it to compile it anyway
19:18<Freak_>(nvidia doesn't have standard interfaces for pre-compiled debian kernels)
19:18<lucas_amorim>it gives me another error. It doesn find the kernel source tree
19:18<lucas_amorim>and it aborts
19:18<Freak_>ah, ok, before you start the script type "CC=gcc4.1" and then "export CC" (without the quotes)
19:19<Freak_>on the cli
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19:19<Freak_>on the command line
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19:19<lucas_amorim>ok done
19:20<lucas_amorim>what about the kernel source tree?
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19:20<Freak_>it sets the global variable CC to gcc4.1, so it uses gcc4.1 to compile the module, which it needs, because the kernel was compiled with gcc4.1
19:20<lucas_amorim>so I should try it out again now?
19:21<Freak_>if you don't have the source of the kernel you're using installed it won't work either, you need to install the kernel source aswel (you can do it with aptitude)
19:21<lucas_amorim>what is the package name?
19:21<Freak_>linux-source I believe, hang on, I'll look it up
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19:22<arsham>hi all
19:22<Freak_>linux-source-<version number> and linux-headers-<version number>-<arch>
19:22<arsham>please help me unlink files in "lost+found" directory , ls -l output : --wsrwx--- 1 1734412629 644201056 40960 1977-02-19 23:57 #29753408
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19:23<Supaplex>arsham: rm -i '#29753408' ?
19:23<arsham>rm: cannot remove directory `#27083173/': Operation not permitted
19:23<arsham>as root
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19:24<lucas_amorim>Freak_: Ok, I am downloading it now
19:24<Supaplex>arsham: rmdir is for directories, but the permissions state it's not a directory. see lsattr
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19:24<Freak_>lucas_amorim: ok, you also need xorg-dev I just remembered
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19:25<ralpho>ubuntu konversation points here why
19:25<arsham>rm: cannot remove `#29753408': Operation not permitted
19:25<lucas_amorim>Freak_: I think I already have this one, I will take a look
19:26<arsham>the problem came from buggy ehci_hci module
19:26<arsham>afte couple of hanging over the usb , the nodes are not removable
19:26<Supaplex>arsham: maybe it's immutable
19:27<arsham>Supaplex, how can I mutable them?
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19:27<Supaplex>arsham: chattr -i
19:27<arsham>Supaplex, thanks , worked
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19:28<arsham>do u know about the bug in ehci_hci module?
19:28<arsham>thanks again
19:28<arsham>keep support linux people , your doing good
19:29[~]Supaplex has no such module on his system
19:29<arsham>another one is stuck
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19:30<arsham>chattr -i \#30179365 ; rm -f \#30179365
19:30<arsham>rm: cannot remove `#30179365': Operation not permitted
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19:30<arsham>ln -l output : ---srwS--- 1 7080279 6912117 32768 2028-03-11 22:22 #30179365
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19:30<Supaplex>arsham: is there anything you want to keep in the lost+found?
19:31<arsham>Supaplex, no , I want them all removed
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19:33<litage|w>currently, htop is listing more than 5 ntop processes running. however, when i check each of those ntop PIDs with ps, only 1 PID is valid. why would that be?
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19:35<jagerman>litage|w: Threads, perhaps?
19:35<litage|w>jagerman: doesn't ``ps auxf | grep PID'' or ``ps u -p PID'' display threads though?
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19:36<Supaplex>arsham: try this first, chattr -R -a -i lost+found/
19:36<arsham>thank you
19:37<arsham>that worked
19:37<arsham>but , what was the problem?
19:37<arsham>should I check another fsck?
19:37<jagerman>litage|w: ps auxf won't
19:38<jagerman>litage|w: I forget what option you need to get threads to show up
19:38<jagerman>"H" maybe?
19:38<Freak_>ps --help
19:39<Supaplex>arsham: some of the files either had the "a" or/and "i" attributes flagged. man chattr for descriptions
19:39<arsham>bye all
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19:40<tcpipchip>is there anybody there?
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19:40<tcpipchip>wow ?
19:40<tcpipchip>i am into a ARM9 running the DEBIAN :)
19:41<tcpipchip>LINUX ARM9 :)
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19:41<george>tcpipchip: perhaps you have a question... if so, tyoe this in your irc client: /msg dpkg ask
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19:44<george>also... if you want to speak english, you can do so here or #debian at and if you want brasilian portugese, you can type this into your irc client: /msg dpkg br
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19:51<lucas_amorim>Freak_: It is finishing the download, are you sure these are the only dependencies?
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19:55<Freak_>as far as I remember
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19:56<Freak_>I looked on for the dependencies, but I couldn't find them anymore, those are all I have installed extra though, so it should work
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20:26<lucas_amorim>Freak_: It gave me another error
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20:27<lucas_amorim>It seems the CC export did not work
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20:27<lucas_amorim>it still complais about the CC variable
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20:29<dondelelcaro>lucas_amorim: so make CC=gcc-4.1; or whatever
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20:38<lucas_amorim>dondelcaro: It worked!! Thank you
20:38<lucas_amorim>I will have to go now
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21:17<george>is there nvidia driver that works with amd64 and etch and 2.6.18? my card is:
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21:17<george>00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev a2)
21:20<gsimmons>george: The C51 is supported by the xorg 'nv' driver, otherwise you can use the binary drivers provided by Nvidia.
21:21<george>gsimmons: would I do some sort of debian thing if I wanted to go with the 3d thing, or would I just use their installer?
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21:22<george>I'm using nv now; seems ok :)
21:23<gsimmons>george: Best to use the Debian Nvidia kernel/glx packages if you're after 3D.
21:23<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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21:25<george>ok never done the nvidia thing yet (not successfully anyway)
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21:35<george>I'm trying to figure out which nvidia driver to get for a C51
21:36<george>I'm looking at the wiki page and it doesn't seem to be there
21:38<gsimmons>!nvidia one-liner
21:38<dpkg>from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable.
21:38<gsimmons>george: Use the procedure above. Your card wouldn't be considered "legacy", if that's what you're wondering.
21:40<george>so I would use the 9631 packages?
21:40<george>so far I did up to m-a prepare
21:40<george>and it has the headers now
21:45<george>ok, I just did m-a auto-install nvidia
21:45<chealer>george: yes. I don't think you need to use 9631, the default version should work.
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22:09<george>it crashes... in a BIG way...
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22:10<george>kernel panic, aiiiiieeeee, kill int handler, reboot, ppptpttppt
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22:12<george>this happens when I have x server stopped (no kdm, no X running) and I do modprobe nvidia
22:13<george>spectacular, eh?
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22:15<george>I dunno, I doubt that kernel panic got into a log file :)
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22:21<george>nope, it shows the reboots tho
22:25<george>gsimmons: so what do you make of that
22:26<george>motherboard is asus m2npv-vm
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23:24<gsimmons>george: Try to load the driver after updating your M2NPV-VM BIOS to version 1201. Otherwise, boot with 'noapic' and then test. A thread on the mythtv-users ML also states to use driver version 9629 or later (for your motherboard), for some unspecified reason.
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23:34<DanDare>im trying to get samba allright using etch. I can access the shares from windows machines by entering IP like "\\\MA" but workgroup ive seted wont show in windows. I must set "wins support = yes" to fix this?
23:35<Supaplex>DanDare: are they on the same subnet, ethernet segment, and use the same broadcast address?
23:36<DanDare>Supaplex, hmm i dunno about the same broadcast i must check
23:37<DanDare>so i dont need the "wins support = yes" to workgroup being listed in the windows clients?
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23:38<DanDare>or it depends? :)
23:41<Supaplex>maybe in a domain env, but not in a workgroup
23:41<Supaplex>you could, but I find that rare
23:41<DanDare>ok, im trying to figure out where to check about the broadcast info on windows machine, sorry my ignorance
23:42<DanDare>i can clearly see this on /etc/network/interfaces tought
23:42<DanDare>ipconfig dont return any "broadcast" word
23:43<DanDare>should i see "sub-net mask"?
23:43<Supaplex>ipconfig /all
23:43<Supaplex>my bad. windows != my thing. :P
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23:45<DanDare>still nothing about "broadcast". anyway im going to try something brb
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23:49<DanDare>still nothing
23:50<DanDare>anyway, hard to figure where problem is considering that windows TCP/IP stack may be poluted and not working as desired
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23:50<DanDare>time is over :( sleep time
23:50<DanDare>thanks Supaplex, good night
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