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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-10-23

---Logopened Tue Oct 23 00:00:11 2007
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00:30<test1>hello
00:32<Eulex>!ops flash8 is a bot /msging people with "hi......." and "hello......."
00:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eulex complains about: flash8 is a bot /msging people with "hi......." and "hello......."
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00:35<zobel>Eulex: is he? i cant see that.
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00:38<streuner>flash8: are you human, alien or just a bot?
00:39<streuner>[flash8] untätig 00:06:05, Online seit: Tue Oct 23 07:21:23
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00:42<Supaplex>!lart justien's automations
00:42[~]dpkg --purges justien's automations
00:44<streuner>the automation like "hi and hello"? ;-)
00:44<streuner>same*
00:44<Supaplex>*nod*
00:46<Supaplex>hummm hostname -f is the stalling.
00:46<jm_>name rsolution?
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00:48<Supaplex>yup. fixed.
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01:08<quitte_>hi. I'm having trouble with dpkg-dev or debhelper. the final stages of building packages is horribly slow
01:09<quitte_>the system is more than 80% idle and there isn't any heay io either
01:09<Supaplex>slow cooked debian packages. just like grandma use to make
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01:10<Supaplex>how many cpus? what's their clock speed?
01:10<quitte_>one athlon 1Ghz
01:11<quitte_>but by horribly I mean really, really damn slow
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01:11<Supaplex>what are you compiling?
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01:12<quitte_>right now uclibc. but it's the same for all packages. tried expat and ncurses,too for example
01:12<quitte_>it's cross compiling,though
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01:13<quitte_>i'll try a native build of nano
01:13<Supaplex>ok.
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01:23<quitte_>Supaplex: same thing. it's at dh_installdocs and just sitting there
01:23<quitte_>90% idle
01:23<jm_>strace/stacktrace might tell you what it's doing at that time
01:24<quitte_>how do i attach strace to a running process?
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01:24<jm_>/usr/bin/dh_installdocs is a perl script, should be somewhat easy to debug
01:25<jm_>man strace, note -p switch
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01:28<quitte_>hmm. dh_installchangelog is waiting endlssly for install processes to finish
01:29<quitte_>and install is in state S+. waiting for something to happen
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01:34<quitte_>hmm. i must have messed something seriously up. ls is showing the same behaviour sometimes
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02:01<Flair>Hi can someone please tell me whats the best, quick, and easiest way to check md5 on a 9.6TB storage and output it to a file?
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02:04<ifvoid>on the entire partition? or on all the file?
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02:04<ifvoid>+s
02:05<Flair>entire partition.
02:05<Flair>Which tool would be the best?
02:05<ifvoid>uh
02:05<ifvoid>md5sum
02:05<Flair>Sorry I'm a bit clueless and my work requires me to present them something by tomorrow.
02:05<ifvoid>I'm not sure what you are trying to do
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02:08<Flair>I need to find the file size and md5 of a mount folder and generate the name/size/md5 onto a list as a output?
02:09<jm_>if it's a mount point use cfv
02:11<Flair>Ok thanks jm_ I'll have a look at it.
02:12<ifvoid>it's going to take a while though, to md5 10TB of data
02:12<Flair>definitely.. I just need to know how to do it, so at least I can tell them it's getting done already
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02:13<Flair>they understand that its gonna take a while
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02:14<Flair>Thanks guys.
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02:41<Ikarus>Where did the glibc info pages run off to ?, or are they non-free due to GFDL
02:41<jm_>!info glibc-doc
02:41<dpkg>glibc-doc: (GNU C Library: Documentation), section doc, is optional. Version: 2.6.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 1559 kB, Installed size: 1744 kB
02:42<Ikarus>jm_: doesn't have the info pages anymore afaik
02:42<jm_>Ikarus: ahh just man pages, let me see
02:42<jm_>there's some non-free package, I remember now
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02:42<Ikarus>!info glibc-doc-reference
02:42<dpkg>glibc-doc-reference: (GNU C Library: Documentation), section non-free/doc, is optional. Version: 2.6.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2030 kB, Installed size: 8080 kB
02:42<Ikarus>That one I think
02:42<jm_>right ;)
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02:43<Ikarus>Go FSF.... GFDL......
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03:18<litage|w>why would htop list PIDs that top doesn't list, and that aren't in /proc/ ?
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03:19<jm_>threads maybe?
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04:10<y0c0>i am on linux ubuntu and i dont know hoe to start windows cause i am with lilo starter
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04:15<cLINTo>ew, lilo
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04:15<cLINTo>I've never messed with lilo, google
04:15[~]cLINTo shrugs
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04:16<mando>hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
04:16<mando>any one
04:16<mando>here
04:17<y0c0>yes
04:17<JasonS>yes we see you mando
04:17<y0c0>do you know
04:17<y0c0>how to start windows
04:17<JasonS>y0c0: ubuntu?
04:17<y0c0>whith lilo starter
04:17<y0c0>yes
04:18<JasonS>perhaps #ubuntu would be a more logical place to ask
04:18<mando>it is frist time to use ubuntu
04:18<y0c0>but i dont know how to conect to the #ubuntu
04:18<xzu>ppl, I have created a pv, vg, en lv's, but pvscan and friends refuse to find it
04:18<xzu>any clue?
04:18<JasonS>!ubuntu
04:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
04:18<xzu>(lvm clue)
04:19[~]xzu is running etch
04:19<JasonS>the same way you joined here basically
04:19<JasonS>its /join #ubuntu
04:19<y0c0>kk
04:19<y0c0>tnx
04:19<mando>how i can run .exe
04:19<xzu>mono?
04:19<y0c0>here are 295 people but in ubuntu are only 9 :D
04:20<y0c0>mango whith wine
04:20<JasonS>y0c0: then try on irc.freenode.net
04:20<mando>ok
04:20<mando>thin
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04:24<xzu>any lvm hints on how to recover my lost volumes?
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04:25<cLINTo>y0c0: or you could try the Ubuntu servers
04:25<cLINTo>irc.ubuntu.net
04:26<cLINTo>there are more than 1000 people there
04:27<cLINTo>however, that place is quite nuts :/
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04:38<xzu>hmm my lvm volumes automagically reappeared :\
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04:39<y0c0>how can i configure my audio cause i cant lisen muzik
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04:44<takt>hi all
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05:27<xzu>how do i prevent openssh-client from being installed when installing openssh-server?
05:27<xzu>(without hacking the pacakge_
05:27<xzu>s/_/)/
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05:28<jm_>you can't
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05:28<xzu>jm_: is the dependency real? (ie: needed for operations of openssh-server)
05:28<xzu>jm_: what would be the neat/tidy way to fix this?
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05:29<jm_>just a sec, doing some time run and need to press stop in stopwatch :)
05:29<xzu>lol :)
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05:44<jm_>xzu: looks like a real dependency to me
05:45<xzu>jm_: thanks, i've chmoded it -x for now
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05:59<ashley>Is it possible to make a keep back a package and stop it updating in apt-get?
05:59<petemc>!hold
05:59<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri
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06:07<ashley>Thanks
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06:09<zjason_>It may be OT but does anyone know where to find linux source code for Asus EeePC 701?
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06:11<padski>zjason_: isn't it running xandros ?
06:11<zjason_>I downloaded EeePC701_071012.zip from Asus but in this zip file there is only linux-kernel-headers_2.6.18-7.dsc
06:11<zjason_>padski: yes
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06:12<padski>zjason_: google says " Xandros has an IRC channel at irc.freenode.net"
06:12<zjason_>padski: I need tun.ko to run openvpn on Eeepc...
06:12<padski>zjason_: is openvpn good ?
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06:13<zjason_>padski: it is the only way to connect to my company from my home...
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06:14<padski>zjason_: ko. IIRC tun.ko should be fairly easy to compile out of tree
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06:15<zjason_>padski: Shouldn't Asus also distribute the linux source code when Eeepc is loaded with Linux binary...
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06:16<zjason_>padski: I think it is safe to build tun.ko from Asus's linux tar ball
06:16<padski>zjason_: there will be GPL components. their simplest option would be to distribute source code, but with Xandros as a partner I expect Xandros are doing that bit.
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06:17<Jus>Hi, anyone know the command to choose the preferred program for a particular task?
06:17<zjason_>padski: ok. Maybe I should go ask my question in #Xandros
06:17<Jus>the command can give a list of the programs, then you can make your choice
06:17<petemc>Jus: update-alternatives , if i understand you correctly
06:17<padski>zjason_: I expect that will be best
06:18<petemc>update-alternatives --config foo
06:18<Jus>yes, petemc
06:18<Jus>thank you
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06:18<zjason_>padski: thanks for your suggestion
06:19<padski>zjason_: you are welcome. question: is it a good box ?
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06:22<zjason_>padski: Well, it suits my needs.
06:23<zjason_>padski: I need a small box to connect to my company at home from time to time...
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06:26<padski>zjason_: apparently we'll see them here in the uk in a couple of weeks. just in time for xmas :-)
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06:41<Aleric>My DVD writer suddenly doesn't work anymore :/
06:41<Aleric>When I start k3b it takes 10 minutes to start up - and it's not detecting anymore if I insert a DVD.
06:42[~]Aleric tries a reboot :/
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06:50<Aleric>Hmm, a reboot fixed it...
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06:52<duke>which packages i should have installed to compile kernel?
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06:52<petemc>build-essential and libncurses5-dev
06:52<petemc>i think, years since ive done it..
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06:53<jm_>or gtk/qt devel, dependin on config interface you use
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06:55<witte>duke: you also will need linux-source
06:55<witte>duke: but i think that is quite obvious :-)
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06:56<duke>i have source ))
06:57<duke>even patched it
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06:57<duke>but after i do make menuconfig and try to make there some errors
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07:01<witte>duke: I also do not know what to do if you have got "some errors"
07:01<witte>maybe you would like to share them in a pastebin?
07:01<duke>i understand, just now not at my pc
07:01<duke>will you be here in an hour?
07:02<witte>duke: do not know for sure yet, but there most likely will be someone here who can help
07:02<Aleric>0x471:0x311
07:03<duke>last time i asked someone and was redirected to man ))
07:03<duke>you're tho ONE ;)
07:04<witte>:-)
07:04<Aleric>@%$!%@$$%@#
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07:05<Aleric>That's the second DVD+R that writes "ok", but verifying the data gives a read error :((
07:05<jm_>how do you verify?
07:06<Aleric>With K3B
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07:06<Aleric>That normally works fine - and I just rebooted! :/
07:06<Aleric>What can be wrong?
07:06<poprobson>Hello
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07:06<poprobson>I'm need help friends!
07:06<Risjh>so do i!
07:06<Aleric>There is a problem with my sound after booting too, grrr.
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07:07<jm_>I use md5sums/cdck normally
07:07<poprobson>I'm with problem in my webmail
07:07<poprobson>I want make the new webmail
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07:08<Risjh>hi guys help me, while installing debian i didnt chose the partition size wisely and now i get an error saying /var is out of space, although theres more than enough space on /home, can somone tell me a way to get around this problem?
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07:09<xzu>Risjh: resize your partitions
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07:09<Risjh>xzu, i wont lose data?
07:10<padski>Risjh: or move some part of var to another partition
07:10<Risjh>padski, how to do that?
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07:10<Risjh>link it?
07:10<Aleric>Oh, my second sound card is sudden 'card 2'. It used to be 'card 1'. 'card 1' is now some USB device that obviously doesn't exist(?). Don't tell me it's my webcam :/
07:10<jm_>Risjh: or simply move var to it and bind mount it or make a symlink
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07:10<Aleric>The webcam has a microphone though... but still. I suppose that before the webcam was 'card 2', I just never noticed it.
07:10<Risjh>jm_, you mean copy the entire var to somewhere on /home and then symlink it?
07:11<poprobson>: )
07:11<Aleric>It would be nice if I could get the card numbers to be fixed :\
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07:11<jm_>Risjh: yes, that's one option
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07:11<Risjh>jm_, what other options? i dont want to lose any data
07:12<padski>Risjh: backups are your friend :-)
07:13<Risjh>btw /var has a /dev in it too, is it required? or can i rm it?
07:13<Aleric>jm_: It's a real error though:
07:13<Aleric>hikaru:~>md5sum /media/cdrom0/Spiderman.2002.1152x624.x264.mkv
07:13<Aleric>md5sum: /media/cdrom0/Spiderman.2002.1152x624.x264.mkv: Input/output error
07:13<Aleric>Let me try again with a DVD+RW
07:13<padski>Risjh: never seen that before
07:14<Risjh>padski, so its safe to rm -rf it?
07:14<jm_>Risjh: see above, resizing partitions
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07:14<jm_>Aleric: is it USB CD-ROM?
07:14<Aleric>no
07:15<Risjh>jm_, resizing = data loss?
07:15<jm_>Risjh: shouldn't be
07:15<Risjh>hmm
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07:16<padski>Risjh: hard to say :-)
07:16<Risjh>hmm
07:16<daniel_>hola
07:16<daniel_>hell
07:16<daniel_>hello
07:16<daniel_>speak spanish?
07:16<padski>Risjh: if you have backups, you can try it and see ?
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07:16<witte>!es
07:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:17<Risjh>padski, backups of /var/dev ? nope
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07:17<padski>Risjh: in my book it shouldn't be there
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07:17<padski>Risjh: but I think can imagine why someone might do something like that
07:18<Risjh>do what? delete it?
07:18<padski>Risjh: I would want to understand what it is and how it got there.
07:18<Risjh>hmm
07:19[~]Risjh wants to know too
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07:20<Aleric>Another weird thing: I put in a DVD+RW with data on it (that seems to be detected, K3B says "Debian testing i386 Bin-1 (Complete Data DVD+RW)" under the name of the DVD writer in the file tree window. However, when I click on burn it just starts burning?!
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07:20<Aleric>I expected it to ask me if I'm sure that I want to erase the existing data - and that it would do a formatting step.
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07:32<zjason_>padski: Shame on me... eeepc's linux 2.6.21.4 already has tun statically built in...
07:33<zjason_>padski: anyway, the good new is openvpn works now on asus eeepc :)
07:34<padski>zjason_: cool :-)
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07:35<Flexy>I have a optical overscan on my rear projection tv. So that cannot be changed. Is there a way, to get X using only (lets say) 1000x650 area of the 1280x720 resolution the TV takes via HDMI?
07:35<zjason_>padski: no, its not cool. Bringing work back to home is NOT cool...
07:35<padski>zjason_: lol
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07:38<Aleric>Flexy: I don't think anyone has experience with that here :p.
07:42[~]Aleric tries the third DVD+R :/ ... Writing to the DVD+RW worked.
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07:50<Aleric>Well, this seems to work. The previous two DVD+R's have been in the writer before I rebooted.. so I guess something was already written to them (of one of them I'm sure, you can see that-- but the other seemed to be still totally clean)
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07:56<Aleric>Which directory is being used: /etc/modutils or /etc/modprobe.d ?
07:56<jm_>modprobe.d for 2.6
07:56<Aleric>Can I remove the other?
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07:57<jm_>ask your mom for permission :)
07:57<Aleric>Hmm, a few packages are still using it:
07:57<Aleric>>sudo dpkg -S /etc/modutils
07:57<Aleric>modutils, lm-sensors, nvidia-kernel-common: /etc/modutils
07:57<meandtheshell>did anybody notice his keyboard layout changed from German to US after the last apt-get upgrade on sid? It happened to me after I upgraded yesterday ... xorg.conf it all right though ...
07:57<jm_>yeah I suppose for people still using 2.4 kernels
07:58<meandtheshell>s/it/is
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07:59<witte>meandtheshell: maybe ask on the german debian channel (more people with a german keyboard there)
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08:00<witte>meandtheshell: I did not notice the effect you describe with my belgian keyboard layout
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08:00<meandtheshell>witte: good catch ... will do
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08:11<Lightnin>hello, quick Q, i hope. Been a long time debian user on an older box of mine (runs potato to give you an idea). I've installed debian on a new box of mine. It has 2 onboard sata controllers and for some reason hd2 is looked at to boot from but i have debian installed on hd0. grub saw my win2k install on hd2 and was told to install itself on hd2. When I bootup now, the screen is flooded with "grub" and does not do anything else
08:12<Lightnin>any ideas why or where to start looking?
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08:12<Lightnin>maybe i should fall back to lilo?
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08:15<witte>Lightnin: normally grub would be ok
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08:15<witte>Lightnin: but what do you mean with flooded?
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08:15<Lightnin>witte: "grub grub grub grub grub grub grub..." scrolling on the screen
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08:16<witte>Lightnin: ah, nice one, never encountered that one
08:16<witte>:-)
08:16<jm_>try reinstalling it on hd0 then
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08:17<witte>http://www.trilithium.com/johan/2005/06/grub-grub-grub/
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08:17<Lightnin>jm_, grub itself or debian?
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08:18<Lightnin>i mounted the install, it looks good. i just need to get it to boot proper. i did grub on hd0 and win2k popped back up. that is when i realized that hd2 (on the 2nd controller) is the primary boo
08:18<Lightnin>err, primary boot
08:18<jm_>Lightnin: grub only
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08:22<Lightnin>dont really want to specify the user mode considering the size of the drives and afraid of screwing up the read/write on the drives
08:22<Aleric>What script(?) is loading the sound kernel modules at boot time?
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08:24<witte>Aleric: /etc/init.d/alsa ?
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08:24<Aleric>witte: No
08:24<Aleric>That only load unloaded modules
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08:25<Lightnin>wouldnt it be part of the normal modules marked to be loaded during bootup? cant recall the exact file though that lists them :/
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08:26<jm_>modules, but I doubt it's there
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08:50<sasha>hi could someone explain me the politic of DEbian against the #define CLK_TLK
08:50<sasha>CLK_TCK sorry
08:50<sasha>in time.h
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08:51<padski>sasha: random googling produces "It seems like CLK_TCK is depricated. Try changing it to CLOCKS_PER_SEC instead"
08:52<sasha>yes but in time.h from debian CLK_TCK is diferent then CLOCKS_PER_SEC and not on other distrib
08:52<sasha>debian # define CLK_TCK ((__clock_t) __sysconf (2)
08:52<padski>sasha: and "The former is an
08:52<padski> obsolete name for the latter and it was removed in glibc 2.4.
08:52<padski> See: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/CPU-Time.html"
08:52<sasha>other : define CLK_TCK CLOCKS_PER_SEC
08:53<padski>sasha: other than random googling, I have no idea :-)
08:54<sasha>thanks anyway
08:54<padski>sasha: I have define CLK_TCK CLOCKS_PER_SEC
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08:55<sasha>padski , in whitch file ? /usr/include/bits/time.h
08:56<padski>sasha: I just saw that. that's where you see the system call (?) you quoted above
08:57<padski>sasha: but "Never include this file directly; use <time.h> instead."
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08:58<sasha>padski , ok thanks , but in fact i just trying to port an old program from bactrack to debian
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08:58<padski>sasha: I would guess you change CLK_TCK to CLOCKS_PER_SEC
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08:59<sasha>padski , i ve done it and it compile great thenks a lot
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09:00<padski>sasha: you are welcome :-)
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09:01<kurumin>ola
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09:03<andrey>helo
09:03<kurumin>vc tc de onde?
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09:03<andrey>i launched xconfig, saved .config with kernel source, what should i do next?
09:04<petemc>read a kernel compile how to
09:04<sasha>andrey : i guess you are trying to compile your kernel ?
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09:04<andrey>there are several ways to compile' i read
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09:04<andrey>sasha> yeye, you are right :)
09:04<padski>!tell kurumin about br
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09:05<andrey>sasha> i do it first time and a bit frightened
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09:05<sasha>here is my personnal way : make-kpkg --append-to-version "mykernel" --initrd buildpackage --make menuconfig
09:05<andrey>it will append to current version?
09:06<padski>I always use clippy. clippy says " i guess you are trying to compile your kernel ?" ... ;-)
09:06<sasha>no it will append mykernel to you kernel name
09:06<sasha>hehe
09:06<andrey>))
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09:07<padski>it made me smile :-)
09:08<sasha>for my work i spent 5 days porting all the security programs from bactrack to debian and i ve almost finished , if anybody need help in that just ask me
09:08<andrey>home:/usr/src/linux/linux_2.6.21# make-kpkg --append-to-version "mykernel" --initrd buildpackage --make menuconfig
09:08<andrey>Unknown option: make
09:08<andrey>use --help to display command line syntax help.
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09:08<andrey>:(
09:08<sasha>apt-get buildessentials ...... look for the rest on google
09:09<andrey>apt-get install build-essentials
09:09<andrey>Reading package lists... Done
09:09<andrey>Building dependency tree... Done
09:09<andrey>E: Couldn't find package build-essentials
09:09<andrey> (((((((((((
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09:10<andrey_>apt-get install build-essentials
09:10<andrey_>Reading package lists... Done
09:10<andrey_>Building dependency tree... Done
09:10<sasha>andrey wait there is an error in my command i just check and past a working one
09:10<andrey_>E: Couldn't find package build-essentials
09:10<andrey_>((
09:10<andrey_>Ok
09:10<padski>!tell audrey about paste
09:10<andrey_>told..
09:10<padski>!paste
09:10<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
09:10<sasha>make-kpkg --append-to-version "d" --initrd buildpackage --config menuconfig
09:10<sasha>this one works better :)
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09:11<sasha>replace d with something you want to appear at the end of your kernel name
09:11<mhash>andrey_, build-essential (not essentials)
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09:12<andrey_>build-essential is already the newest version
09:12<sasha>make-kpkg --append-to-version "-andrey" --initrd buildpackage --config menuconfig
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09:12<sasha>should work
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09:13<andrey_><sasha> Failed to create a ./debian directory: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line 1096... damn... maybe i do something principally wrong?
09:13<maplebed>(first time building a .deb) I'm unable to build a package (stunnel4) because it can't find /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make
09:13<maplebed>I have quilt 0.39-2 istalled.
09:14<sasha>andrey , are you root ?
09:14<andrey_><sasha> yes, sure
09:14<sasha>never get that error better look on google
09:14<maplebed>any ideas? Debian docs claim that it is just supposed to be there... (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html)
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09:15<sasha>andrey http://www.mailarchives.org/list/debian-kernel/msg/2007/00079
09:15<padski>maplebed: apt-get build-dep foo
09:16<maplebed>I'm pretty sure they're all satisfied.
09:17<gsimmons>maplebed: You're using sarge? That file doesn't appear to be present in the 'quilt' 0.39-2 package.
09:17<andrey_><sasha> )))) make-kpkg --append-to-version "-MY" --initrd buildpackage --config menuconfig - in Makfile EXTRAVERSION parameter is MY )
09:17<maplebed>I got a previous error saying 'unmet dependency: quilt', which I intsalled.
09:17<maplebed>gsimmons: yes, I'm using sarge.
09:17<maplebed>Do I need a backport of quilt?
09:17<sasha>replace MY with my
09:17<padski>maplebed: sounds like it
09:18<sasha>that command does not accept big letter
09:18<sasha>i mean only lowecase
09:18<maplebed>I'll try that. Thanks for the help.
09:18<gsimmons>maplebed: I'd imagine you'd need at least 0.45-6. There is a sarge backport available, check p.d.o.
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09:19<andrey_><sasha> done, moreover i think i shpuldnt use menuconfig, because i alreadu done menuconfig and saved .config in directory with source?
09:19<sasha>then simply hit exit -> save
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09:19<sasha>and the complation will start
09:20<andrey_><sasha> running already )
09:20<sasha>when it is finished you,ll get some deb file in /usr/src
09:20<sasha>install a least linux-header-.... and linux-image-....
09:20<sasha>dpkg -i linux-image.......
09:20[~]dpkg removes a speen from sasha and replaces it with linux-image.......
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09:21<andrey_><sasha> good, will it make entries in grub so i could load old kernel if something wrong?
09:21<sasha>dpkg -i linux-header.....
09:21[~]dpkg removes a speen from sasha and replaces it with linux-header.....
09:21<sasha>dpkg will do it automatically while building your initrd with dpkg -i linux-image......
09:22<andrey_>wonderfull
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09:22<sasha>but you will maybe have to change some option , like replacing sda with hda depending on how your hd wil be recognise with the new kernel
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09:23<Iv4o{sLaDuRa}86>ko stqaa e parcali
09:23<sasha>and maybe add vga=791 splah=silent if you compile your kernel with a bootsplash in it
09:23<padski>what is this "removes a speen" business ? :-)
09:24<padski>!bg
09:24<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net)
09:24<andrey_>sasha> it can be done in grub menu?
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09:25<sasha>the best to do is to leave it like this and try booting , if you have booting problem you can change your grub lines with the e keys uner grub
09:26<sasha>andrey : do you have sata or ide disk
09:26<andrey_><sasha> still compiling... hope i'll boot normally
09:26<andrey_>ide only
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09:26<sasha>andrey : i never get any boting problem with ide disk , gues everything will be ok
09:27<andrey_>sasha> errors ((
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09:30<andrey_>i got error while compiling kernel - can anybody help?
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09:31<Patricio>hey guys got an issue this morning, I am running 2.6.22 and my wireless card is now not detecting the DHCP server from my router, I do an 'iwconfig' and it shows me the wlan0 card.....but then I do a 'iwconfig scanning' it tells me 'no such device'.......I have tried setting the essid for the wlan0 card......but it still times out when trying to detect the dhcp server from my router.......any idears?
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09:31<sasha>andrey : where did you get your kernel ?
09:31<andrey_><sasha> kernel.org
09:31<S3v3N>Hello all. I have problem while installing debian. Well... when I'm installing netinstall debian it ask me for internet option, DHCP or manually. DHCP does not respond, manually I can't use because I have dynamic IP. I need to have in interfaces for dynamic ip that "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" but I have a question now, how do I set this in interfaces while installing the debian so it will update correctly etc..? Thank you for answers
09:31<andrey_><sasha> 2.6.21
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09:31<andrey_><sasha> but current kernel is 2.6.18
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09:32<sasha>Andrey : never get any error when the compilation start , it is strange , maybe try the one from the debian repository
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09:32<andrey_><sasha> how to get it?
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09:32<sasha>PAtricio : do you have an enable/disable button on you computer
09:33<Patricio>sasha: no
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09:33<Patricio>my wifi light is on
09:33<sasha>andrey : apt-get update ; apt-cache search linux-source ; apt-get install linux-source-....
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09:34<gsimmons>Patricio: iwconfig doesn't have a "scanning" parameter. Did you mean "iwlist wlan0 scanning"?
09:34<sasha>Patricio , what is the protection of your router
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09:34<chealer>andrey_: if you don't mind, why are you compiling a kernel?
09:34<andrey_><chealer> want ntfs support with cp1251 charset (((
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09:35<Patricio>gsimmons: sorry, you are correct......and yes my router do use wep encryption......
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09:35<chealer>andrey_: and that's only supported with Linux > 2.6.20?
09:35<Patricio>gsimmons: when I run a 'iwlist scanning' it does now show the wlan0 config
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09:36<andrey_><chealer> no it's in 18 too, but i have only 21 source
09:36<chealer>andrey_: so it's possible in 2.6.18, but not with stock kernels?
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09:37<andrey_><chealer> emmm... stock kernel??
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09:38<chealer>andrey_: the kernels built by Debian
09:39<Patricio>whenever I do a 'ifup wlan0' it does not hit the dhcp server and times out.......the wifi light is on.......when I do a 'iwlist scanning' it does give me the essid name of the router......but cannot get to it.......
09:39<andrey_><chealer> ahh.. they support ntfs, but there are problems with cyrillyck
09:40<Eulex>andrey_, wouldn't it just be to set the right encoding for the fs when mounting it?
09:41<mxey>Is there a way to see how much memory all processes by a specific user take?
09:41<andrey_><Eulex> i tried... now.. i'll show my fstab
09:41<sasha>hi , .py program are writen in python right ?
09:41<Eulex>sasha, yes.
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09:42<sasha>hi have a lot of problems like ImportError: No module named impacket , where do i have to put the good librairies and what kinf of is it
09:42<andrey_><Eulex> /dev/hda2 /mnt/win_store ntfs iocharset=866,nls=cp1251,umask=0,users,user 0 0
09:43<Eulex>sasha, using apt-cache search and apt-file search would be a good start
09:43<andrey_><Eulex> iocharset - error on mounting
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09:43<Eulex>anderson_s, the iocharset and nls options are equal, as described by the manpage.
09:43<Eulex>andrey_, ^^
09:44<andrey_><Eulex> equal... well now..
09:44<sasha>and if the lloking repertory is not the same as the one where debian install it what can i do cause i don t know anything in python
09:44<Eulex>andrey_, in any case, those options set the character encoding to use when _returning_ a file name to linux. this should probably be utf-8. and make sure your locale is an utf8 one.
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09:45<Eulex>sasha, if you do not use debian packages of python, you'll have to consult the python guys, not #debian.
09:45<andrey_><Eulex> how to get my current locale so?
09:45<Eulex>andrey_, echo $LANG
09:46<Eulex>and to reconfigure it: dpkg-reconfigure locales
09:46<andrey_><Eulex> en_US hm..
09:46<Patricio>anyone?
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09:46<Eulex>andrey_, switch to en_US.UTF-8 if you care about your file names showing up correctly in a console. in any case, tried nls=utf8 yet?
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09:47<andrey_><Eulex> tried, now i'll try again to be shure
09:48<Eulex>andrey_, and your error and/or problem with it was?
09:49<Patricio>possibility........my router is configured with WEP encryption.......would that be an issue for connectivity?
09:49<andrey_><Eulex> yes, it was... i wanna say i went wrong way with kernel recompilation?
09:50<Eulex>andrey_, not whether you had a problem, but _what your problem was_.
09:50<Eulex>andrey_, kernel has nothing to do with this.
09:50<andrey_><Eulex> hm.. i'm new in linux may be :)
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09:50<Eulex>andrey_, in any case, I doubt you actually needed to recompiled your kernel.
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09:51<jon_kare>Did anything change in xorg keyboard handling?
09:51<jon_kare>suddenly, xorg thinks my computer has U.S keyboard
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09:51<mxey>jon_kare: Maybe your xorg.conf changed.
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09:52<andrey_><Eulex> it's really difficult i see
09:52<Eulex>andrey_, in any case, I found info that you can do nls=koi8-r. you'll probably have to select an koi8 locale then, though.
09:52<andrey_><Eulex> koi8..
09:52<jon_kare>it\s still Driver @kbd@, @XkbdLayout @no@
09:52<Eulex>andrey_, not that it's very difficult, just that you're probably better off running a stock debian kernel.
09:52<jon_kare>you can probably guess what should be instead of the @\s
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09:53<andrey_><Eulex> well see... this was windows partition, from XP SP2, i used cyrrilck names...
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09:54<andrey_><Eulex> with utf8 i see chineese ))
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09:54<Eulex>andrey_, tried koi8-r?
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09:54<andrey_>yes. and will try now )
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09:55<jon_kare>where\s asterisk on U.S. kbd?
09:56<Eulex>jon_kare, you know, you _can_ change your keyboard layout while in X. try setxkbmap no.
09:57<jon_kare>tnx, it worked!
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09:57<andrey_><Eulex> koi8-r also chinese ((
09:57<Eulex>andrey_, oh :/
09:57<Eulex>andrey_, afraid I can't help you then
09:57<Eulex>jon_kare, you might check so your desktop environment isn't set up to change your xkbmap to us.
09:58<andrey_><Eulex> the cure for me is format this f*** partition with ext3
09:58<jon_kare>stranger things have happened, I guess.
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09:58<Eulex>andrey_, yes, it would :)
09:58<jon_kare>xorg and xorg.conf aren't likely suspects. xorgs is 3 weeks old, and xorg.conf > half a year
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09:59<Eulex>jon_kare, I believe gdm has an option to set your xkbmap. gnome and kde themselves might too.
09:59<sasha>hi , i would like to personalize my gnome menu , remove some unused link and add some , but i m affraid that all that job will be erase if an apt-get dis-upgrade , upgrade gnome , i m right ?
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10:00<jon_kare>I'm looking at keyboard prefs inside gnome. It does have US. Remains
10:00<jon_kare>to be seen if it got if from gdm or elsewhere.
10:00<jon_kare>better leave x and check. Thanks for the help.
10:01<jon_kare>This channel has improved *a lot* since a few years back.
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10:10<gpm>sasha: no, i don't think you're right. the prefs should stick.
10:10<sasha>gpm : thanks
10:11<sutula>RE sasha's question, anyone know if there's a system-wide way to change all the user's menus?
10:11<gpm>sutula: what other menus would you want to change?
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10:12<sutula>gpm: I'd like to add entries to every user's gnome menu
10:12<gpm>ooh i see
10:12[~]sutula knows how to do it for the Debian menu, but not gnome
10:12<gpm>if there is, i don't know it
10:12<gpm>how do you do it for debian menu?
10:12<m0RrE>does anyone know a good text-based e-mail client?
10:13<gpm>m0RrE: mutt
10:13<m0RrE>gpm: thx, I'll give it a shot
10:13<gpm>m0RrE: there's tons of documentation online too, some cool stuff to do
10:13<cahoot>aren't all email text?
10:13<m0RrE>great, i suppose it supports pop3?
10:14<petemc>yes
10:14<sutula>gpm: There's a README in /etc/menu
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10:14<sutula>gpm: You can copy examples from /usr/share/menu/* into /etc/menu
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10:15<gpm>cool
10:15<sutula>gpm: Files in /etc/menu will be conffiles, so will stick
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10:17<gpm>cool
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10:21<filemover>hi i want to change the boot time font size is this passed as a kernel arg and if it is where is the config that passes the arguments, in this case im using Grub
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10:24<Atomo64>how can I make dpkg avoid running the pre|postrm scripts of a package?
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10:27<lupine>Atomo64: there's a flag you can pass it, but I forget the specifics. man dpkg knows
10:27<sutula>filemover: grub puts boot options in /boot/grub/menu.lst ...not sure if there's a kernel option for text size
10:28<lupine>screen resolution, yes. console font... that's compiled-in, IIRC
10:28<lupine>(vga=xxx)
10:28<lupine>0381 is nice and big (1280x1024x16-bit, IIRC)
10:29<filemover>thnx i know that menu.list has all the operating systems i can boot but i want to pass a parameter to the kernel
10:29<petemc>thats where you do that..
10:29<lupine>that goes on the kernel line
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10:29<sutula>filemover: That's what passes options to the kernel
10:30<lupine>"kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz ro single vga=blah pwned", for instance
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10:30<filemover>ah!
10:30<filemover>thnx
10:30<filemover>simple
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10:31<filemover>ill give it a go and come back
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10:31<arucard>hi
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10:33<arucard>welcome to the lobby
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10:34<filemover>i dont want the font to big i only want it small lol
10:34<filemover>whats the best size
10:34<lupine>do you want the /font/ to be small, or the /resolution/ ?
10:35<filemover>resolution
10:35<lupine>then the vga= kernel option is what you want
10:35<filemover>so it looks cleaner
10:35<lupine>liek I said, vga=0381 is a good on
10:35<lupine>one*. 775 is OK
10:35<filemover>ok
10:36<filemover>ill give it a go
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10:39<BoBo`>hy
10:39<BoBo`>a good firewall or a script ?
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10:40<filemover>:(
10:40<Maulkin>BoBo`: iptables
10:40<sutula>filemover: See the bottom section of http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/hiresconsole.html for more info
10:41<filemover>k thnx
10:41<BoBo`>iptables is not a firewall :))
10:41<BoBo`>a script
10:41<BoBo`>for iptables
10:41<BoBo`>have?
10:41<sutula>filemover: There might be better references...just googled for that one
10:41<Maulkin>Have you tried searcging Google?
10:41<lupine>my favourite script is Othello
10:41<lupine>firestarter is a frontend to iptables
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10:42<BoBo`>othello is good ?
10:42<Maulkin>!tell BoBo` about search
10:42<BoBo`>firestarter is ....
10:42<BoBo`>:)))
10:42<lupine>it's a great play
10:42<lupine>probably a crap firewall
10:43<BoBo`>BoBo:~# aptitude search othello
10:43<BoBo`>BoBo:~#
10:43<BoBo`>...
10:43<lupine>><
10:43<lupine>Shakespeare wrote a great script called Othello. You should read it sometime
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10:44<BoBo`>lol
10:44<Maulkin>BoBo`: try aptitude search firewall
10:44<BoBo`>you are a funy man :)))
10:44<BoBo`>k Maulkin
10:44<filemover>SVGATextMode looks the way to go
10:44<Maulkin>BoBo`: try aptitude search iptables
10:44<filemover>ill give that a try
10:44<Maulkin>either may help
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10:45<BoBo`>Maulkin, i have iptables
10:45<BoBo`>but i don`t have a script for iptables
10:45<BoBo`>i have problem with flood :(
10:45<Maulkin>BoBo`: try aptitude search iptables
10:46<BoBo`>arno
10:46<BoBo`>but is not good :(
10:46<BoBo`>for anti flood
10:46<Maulkin>that shows you all packages whih mention iptables
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10:46<Maulkin>Have you tried searching Google?
10:47<BoBo`>yes
10:47<BoBo`>but
10:47<BoBo`>..
10:47<JasonS>but what BoBo`
10:47<BoBo`>but i don`t fiind a good firewall
10:48<BoBo`>for protect me with flood
10:48<Maulkin>flood of what?
10:48[~]sutula suggests that "good" is a very general term
10:48<JasonS>BoBo`: flood of what? iptables and perhaps some pretty front end ?
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10:49<BoBo`>flood ... doss attack and others
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10:49<BoBo`>and i call to provider and he say me
10:49[~]JasonS mutters here we go again
10:49<BoBo`>put a good firewall
10:49<sutula>BoBo`: Did you look at fail2ban?
10:50[~]sutula is just guessing what flood may mean to BoBo`
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10:50<Maulkin>BoBo`: you can't protect agint ddos. Your provider has to o that for you.
10:50[~]JasonS wonders if BoBo` is related to D4rky`
10:51<BoBo`>i have filtred ip
10:51<BoBo`>Maulkin
10:51<BoBo`>but i don`t have a good firewall
10:51<JasonS>BoBo`: then install iptables and one of the X frontends if you're not comfortable with the cmd line
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10:53<BoBo`>but iptables don`t have a interface :( and i don`t know how protect with iptables
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10:53<JasonS>BoBo`: like i said then install one of the X frontends to it
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10:53<sutula>BoBo`: Please don't /msg people here
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10:54<sutula>BoBo`: apt-cache show fail2ban
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10:54<JasonS>BoBo`: what makes you think your under attack anyhow?
10:54<BoBo`>sutula, and how configure ?
10:54<Eulex>BoBo`, read the documentation.
10:54<JasonS>BoBo`: you read teh manual, same as always
10:54<BoBo`>k
10:54<sutula>BoBo`: man fail2ban, /usr/share/doc/fail2ban/README*
10:55<BoBo`>txs
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10:55<maplebed>ok, I've got what I think should be an obvious question, but I can't find my answer. How do you tell debuild to make an amd64 package instead of i386?
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10:56<Eulex>maplebed, have you got an amd64 toolchain?
10:56<maplebed>I don't know what a toolchain is.
10:56<maplebed>:(
10:56<Eulex>c compiler, linker, preprocessor, standard c libraries etc. for amd64.
10:56<maplebed>oh.
10:57<maplebed>yeah, think so...
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10:58<Eulex>well, check. and I then I assume you need to set your CC, pkg-config, and include file paths correctly.
10:58<maplebed>will it be easier to just do the compilation on an amd64 box instead of my 32 bit dev machine?
10:58<Eulex>maplebed, yes.
10:58<Eulex>maplebed, also, on an amd64 box you can actually _try_ the resulting binary :)
10:58<maplebed>::sigh:: ok.
10:58<maplebed>I was hoping there was just a --build-for=<arch> flag or something.
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10:59<Eulex>no idea.
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11:00<BoBo`>and another question :)) how limit packet ?
11:00<Eulex>but a quick search for arch in its man page doesn't find anything.
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11:00<padski>maplebed: see emdebian
11:01<sutula>BoBo`: I don't know that...seems like a function of the network card driver
11:01<sutula>...if possible at all
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11:02<maplebed>padski: what is emdebian?
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11:04<sutula>BoBo`: The best the OS can do is to drop packets at the iptables level, and hopefully the remote host will eventually quit trying to bother you, but there's not much a host can do if an external host is blasting packets at you
11:04<maplebed>emdebian.org?
11:04<Maulkin>!emdebian
11:04<dpkg>from memory, emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distrobution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/
11:04<maplebed>cool! tnx.
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11:05<BoBo`>sutula, but not exist a script for iptables ?
11:05<crazy-tictac>server
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11:05<chook>-fr
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11:06<crazy-tictac>hi
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11:06<crazy-tictac>server
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11:06<sutula>BoBo`: As others have mentioned, there are several front-ends for iptables...you'll have to research them to see what might best fit your needs
11:06<crazy-tictac>hatt einer von euch xchat
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11:07<padski>tell crazy-tictac about de
11:07<artem-m>Bla-bla
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11:07<padski>!tell crazy-tictac about de
11:07<sutula>BoBo`: iptables cannot protect you from a flood of packets
11:07<artem-m>Идите на хуй! Нет РУССКИЙ чтол?
11:07<BoBo`>but who can protect me ?
11:07<BoBo`>another program ?
11:07<artem-m>Кто-кто - конь в пальто!!!
11:07<JasonS>!ru
11:07<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
11:07<Maulkin>!ru
11:07<cahoot>a dislocated connection
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11:08<sutula>BoBo`: No...only your network service provider
11:09<BoBo`>k sutula :P
11:09<BoBo`>txs
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11:11<JasonS>there goes another one if fear of being ddosd :)
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11:16<chapajai>hi
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11:20<kop_>I'm trying to copy data from an hfs+ formatted hd. I can use hfsutils to "mount" the partition (hdc5) but I can't seem to get hdcopy to copy directories. If I try to use "mount -t hfsplus ..." then I get "hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock". Any suggestions? I've appletalk installed but have no clue how to get it to see another machine over the network.
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11:22<kop_>(It's hfs+ from an OS 8.1 box.)
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11:23<kop_>(oops, that's hpcopy that won't copy directories.)
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11:24<Maulkin>kop_: erm... isn't os 8.1 just hfs?
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11:25<sutula>JasonS: Maybe he was from Paciolan :)
11:25<m_pahlevanzadeh[0]>Hi
11:26<kop_>Maulkin: Apparently not. I get a "Where have all my files gone?" file when I mount as a hfs device.
11:26<m_pahlevanzadeh[0]>I'm a developer & user of Debian meta distro.
11:26<m_pahlevanzadeh[0]>Unfortunately , i'm living iran
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11:26<kop_>Maulkin: But the hfsplus utils work. (except for hdcopy....)
11:26<m_pahlevanzadeh[0]>We wanna become a mirror of Debian
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11:27<kop_>m_pahlevanzadeh[0]: There's instructions on mirroring debian if you dig around on debian.org.
11:27<mzhang>dli_: there? urgent.
11:27<m_pahlevanzadeh[0]>how we do it.
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11:27<m_pahlevanzadeh[0]>?
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11:28<Maulkin>ahh, sorry, i'm thinking of hfsj
11:28<JasonS><kop_> m_pahlevanzadeh[0]: There's instructions on mirroring debian if you dig around on debian.org
11:28<kop_>Maulkin: The "Where..." file says "this hard disk is formatted with the extended format." I assume this is hfs+.
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11:29<Maulkin>kop_: yeah, my mistake. Does hdcopy (or whatever) need a recursive option?
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11:30<HarDGuN>heey anybody there
11:30<kop_>Maulkin: Not as far as the man page says. I can't figure it out. I suppose it might be faster to script something that parses hpls and uses hpcopy a file at a time. (!) blech. Gotta go gotta free the phone line for now.
11:30<Maulkin>yup
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11:31<sutula>HarDGuN: Only 331 people :(
11:31<HarDGuN>i just wanna anybody tell me the right config for /rtc/hosts plz
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11:31<HarDGuN> /etc
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11:32<mzhang_>dli_: I got disconnected. are you there? something emergency for you.
11:32<sutula>HarDGuN: man hosts
11:32<HarDGuN>:)
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11:33<Maulkin>mzhang_: just ask.
11:33<mzhang_>Maulkin: it is personal.
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11:41<tomv>say, does anyone know how to convince crm114 to spit out some error messages?
11:41<tomv>mailreaver specifically, fails with no output to either stdout or stderr
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11:44<Bombadil>I used resize2fs to shrink my ext3 filesystem. How can I shrink the partition itself too, without loosing any data?
11:44<tomv>Bombadil: gparted or fdisk and a calculator.
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11:46<Bombadil>well, but how do I get the important numbers?
11:46<Bombadil>any howto around?
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11:47<tomv>have you tried gparted? it did well shrinking my ntfs, so why shouldn't it work with ext3...
11:48<Bombadil>gparted is not an option because I have no X on that box.
11:48<Bombadil>I have mainly SSH access only
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11:49<S3v3N>Hello all. I have problem while installing debian. Well... when I'm installing netinstall debian it ask me for internet option, DHCP or manually. DHCP does not respond, manually I can't use because I have dynamic IP. I need to have in interfaces for dynamic ip that "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" but I have a question now, how do I set this in interfaces while installing the debian so it will update correctly etc..? Thank you for answers
11:49<Bombadil>but apparently http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions is the answer
11:49<padski>Bombadil: use parted at the command-line ?
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11:50<padski>what does "scp: ambiguous target" mean ???
11:50<cahoot>S3v3N, does your nic even work? not wifi by chance?
11:50<Bombadil>padski: thanks - didn't know that there is a parted without qt
11:50<Bombadil>or g
11:51<padski>Bombadil: you are welcome
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11:51<tomv>Bombadil: I'm not sure how much you should trust a howto that tells you to "add 5% to be sure, I just added 3% but you want 5%"
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11:52<S3v3N>cahoot: what is nic?
11:52<Bombadil>tomv: hmm, maybe you're right
11:52<cahoot>S3v3N, network interface/device
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11:53<S3v3N>cahoot: if you mean internet by that config its working i have debian installed but only basic version without any updates, so when i try update it always give me some errors
11:53<S3v3N>and yes i have good sources.list
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11:53<zulu>hey I have: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:443 from apache, but a netstat -l -p -n | grep 443 gives nothing...
11:53<Bombadil>but I can run resize2fs afterwards without specifying a size which will adjust the filesystem size to the partition size
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11:55<tomv>Bombadil: just keep the partition large enough
11:55<cahoot>S3v3N, but you have a working network connection according to ifconfig?
11:55<S3v3N>yes
11:55<S3v3N>all is working
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11:55<S3v3N>only i can't update nothing
11:56<Bombadil>padski: will parted complain if the filesystem is too large?
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11:56<fxiny>S3v3N: check /etc/resolv.conf
11:56<cahoot>S3v3N, perhaps you could put the error you get on a pastebin?
11:56<S3v3N>ok wait guys ;)
11:58<padski>Bombadil: I'm sorry I can't tell you much about parted. there is doco and mailing lists. parted is actively developed and maintained, but I know they could always use more help
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11:59<S3v3N>fxiny: resolv.conf seems to be fine
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12:00<S3v3N>cahoot: i'll upload you an error now wait
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12:01<S3v3N>http://pastebin.ca/746962
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12:03<cahoot>S3v3N, http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6018 ?
12:05<S3v3N>cahoot: E: Package ntpdate has no installation candidate
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12:05<niyado>hey im looking for a irc that have a talk about webmasters, some one have one?
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12:06<cahoot>S3v3N, ntp? btw does the system time differ much from what should be expected?
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12:07<S3v3N>what do you mean, if the datetime is good or what?
12:07<cahoot>yes
12:07<niyado>por que el channel de ubuntu ahora esta vacio? todo el mundo se paso para aca? por que?
12:08<S3v3N>nope cahoot :D
12:08<JasonS>!ubuntu
12:08<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
12:08<S3v3N>its set on
12:08<S3v3N>Sat, Jan, 2 19:54:31 CST 1999
12:08<cahoot>S3v3N, you might fix taht
12:08<niyado>ok
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12:09<S3v3N>where to fix that cahoot?
12:09<cahoot>S3v3N, install ntp
12:09<S3v3N>E: Package ntp has no installation candidate
12:10<cahoot>S3v3N, aptitude search ntp
12:10<S3v3N>i did and nothing happened
12:11<S3v3N>debian:~# aptitude search ntp
12:11<cahoot>S3v3N, now /msg dpkg set time
12:11<S3v3N>debian:~#
12:11<S3v3N>ok
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12:12<chapajai>need help with two ethernet cards
12:12<S3v3N>one simple question: how do i scroll up and down with keyboard?
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12:12<chapajai>eth0 and eth1
12:12<S3v3N>i tried page up and page down
12:12<chapajai>eth0 is for adsl
12:12<S3v3N>but doesn't work
12:12<chapajai>eth1 is for my LAN
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12:22<S3v3N>cahoot: thanks for help but i think the easyiest way is to put router through server and it will automatically detect dchp and it will also update all stuff etc... so im reinstalling now debian with router and it already detected dhcp so all will work then! :)
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12:24<cahoot>S3v3N, sounds a bit overkill
12:25<S3v3N>yes i know its the longest way to do that but ok i have time ;)
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12:27<dmlk>s
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12:28<dmlk_>HI
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12:29<dmlk_>buenisimoo
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12:30<dmlk_>bueno cambìe de Diestro,, y Feliz mente probaremos Debian,
12:32<dmlk_>beryl o Compiz-fusion?
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12:43<dmlk_>hi
12:44<qbit>allo
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12:47<dmlk_>hola?
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12:48<JasonS>yes dmlk_
12:48<JasonS>!br
12:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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12:58<tweak>recommended rar application I should apt-get to handle .rar files?
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13:00<chapajai>apt-get install unrar
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13:03<dmlk_>este canal en ingles o español?
13:03<sasha>hi , i downloaded a new bootsplash theme , i change de sym link in /etc/bootsplash/themes/current but it do no change the boot screen , do i have to recompile my kernel ?
13:03<fxiny>!es
13:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:04<John>Tets
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13:05<tweak>Chapajai Package unrar has no installation candidate
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13:06<chapajai>http://wiki.freaks-unidos.net/debian-bridge-es
13:06<chapajai>sorry
13:06<chapajai>Des:1 http://ftp.fr.debian.org testing/non-free unrar 1:3.7.3-1.1 [95,1kB]
13:06<fxiny>add non-free to your sources.list
13:06<chapajai>check your sources.list
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13:08<fxiny>or install unrar-free
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13:14<gaspar>hi
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13:16<gaspar>anyone knows how to force KDM to use the same keymap as the console_
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13:18<cahoot>gaspar, config your xorg
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13:20<N`Kr1pt>hi, when i enter the command who I get this output:
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13:20<N`Kr1pt>kristof@sirius:~$ who
13:20<N`Kr1pt>root tty1 2007-05-30 19:29
13:20<N`Kr1pt>kristof pts/1 2007-10-23 20:10 (192.168.1.105)
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13:20<NKr1pt>but 'm not logged in as root :s
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13:21<NKr1pt>can I find out who/what process is root?
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13:21<padski>NKr1pt: man ps
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13:22<gaspar>cahoot, what file should I edit or what application use?
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13:23<NKr1pt>ok, a lot of processes are runnign as root
13:23<gpm>!drxx
13:23<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
13:23<hinotf>anyone can help me with GRUB?
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13:24<NKr1pt>if someone was logged in as root instead of a pprocess, there would be an ip right next to root right?
13:24<NKr1pt>in the who output I mean
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13:24<gaspar>my problem is that in the console the keyboard works fine - spanish keyboard on a Thinkpad - but in KDM it changes to the English keyboard and It cannot be fixed by enabling keyboards layouts in KDE
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13:25<gaspar>and if I start the X from a console with "startx", then the keyboard is correct
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13:25<gaspar>so I need to force KDM to use the keyboard set in the console
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13:26<gpm>oh
13:26<padski>NKr1pt: fundamentally, there is no "logged in" only processes. but yes who might show you stuff. i like w
13:26<gpm>is there an /etc/kdm or something? i dunno
13:26<cahoot>is there a kdmrc to fiddle wih?
13:26<the-dude>Nkrlpt someone is logged it with a keyboard or so
13:27<gaspar>cahoot, yes, but there are basically the options which can be modified from the KDE control center
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13:32<Juaja>hello
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13:32<S3v3N>cahoot: what do i need to choose to have console mode @ debian? I can choose beetwen desktop enviroment, DNS server, mail server etc... no console enviroment or something..
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13:33<cahoot>S3v3N, disable desktop?
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13:33<Juaja>I have a problem, I have Debian 4.0 and it doesn't work
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13:33<JasonS>!doesnt work
13:33<dpkg>doesnt work is, like, Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
13:33<Juaja>the wireless doesn't work
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13:33<S3v3N>ok but it's too late i forgot, can i change after that when all is installed to switch back to console mode?
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13:34<Juaja>if I do ifconfig the wireless target don't appear
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13:35<Juaja>it is a Atheros with chipset A5005G
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13:36<Juaja>I am now in Internet by the ethernet target, it work
13:36<gaspar>well, I have to leave, thanks a lot anyway, I'll continue tomorrow
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13:36<gaspar>regards!
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13:39<S3v3N>cahoot: ok but it's too late i forgot, can i change after that when all is installed to switch back to console mode?
13:39<Juaja>it's so sad
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13:40<cahoot>S3v3N, you can disable gdm to end up in console at reboot
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13:40<S3v3N>ok i'll check that after install brb now ;)
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13:42<Juaja>I'm crying now, it's too sad.
13:42<Juaja>It was my dream
13:42<Juaja>Why me?
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13:58<bighornram>anyone know how i can lengthen the timeout period on epiphany or iceweasel?
13:59<fili>maybe there is a iceweasel addon for it
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14:01<frank>hi
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14:07<Nu-Bee>hi there all. please give me some help: new system, Lenny. I set up Xorg and xfce4 with apt-get. Everything worked fine. Now I wanted to setup Gnome via apt.. okay, it did it. But I'm still getting xfce window manager at bootup and for "startx" as well. I even uninstalled via apt-get remove the xfce4 and it still loads. Is it now removed or not ? (apt-get remove said yes, removed). I would like to start X manually, not at bootup, and I would li
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14:07<lupine>Nu-Bee: xfce4 is probably a metapackage
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14:08<lupine>to stop X from starting at boot, from the dm (xdm?) link from /etc/rc2.d
14:08<Nu-Bee>aham. thanks that's a good tip.
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14:08<Nu-Bee>and how do I let the PC load Gnome when I give out the command "startx" ? (instead of xfce)
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14:09<lupine>not certain about that bit. you might need to
14:10<lupine>edit something in /etc/X11. or it might be a .xinitrc thing
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14:11<Nu-Bee>okay thank you :) I was working a lot with iptables on my server, but now I'm trying to set up a beautiful desktop onto my PC here at home .. well, graphics .. I don't know much about this in Debian (yet) :)
14:12<lupine>if all else fails, grepping for xfwm4 in various config file places should find relevant files for you
14:13<kurumin>l
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14:13<Nu-Bee>okay.
14:13<Nu-Bee>thank you.
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14:19<stroyan>bighornram: It looks like iceweasel once had a timeout control. But it now uses a system default. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142326
14:19<Arron>what do i have to do to get xpdf to print? i got cups working, use lpr command and all i get is "$!PS-Adobe-3.0 %%Creator......"
14:19<bighornram>stroyan: how can i temporarily lengthen the system timeout?
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14:20<stroyan>bighornram: I wonder if sysctl net.ipv4.neigh.lo.base_reachable_time_ms would affect the system default you are trying to change.
14:20<stroyan>s/affect/effect/ ;-)
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14:22<bighornram>stroyan: how would I try that out. I'm sitting in a que webpage for world series tix, when it appears to be connecting I get a timout. I know the site is getting hammered, if i lenghthen the timeout i might have better luck
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14:25<stroyan>bighornram: Something like "sudo /sbin/sysctl net.ipv4.neigh.lo.base_reachable_time_ms=600000" might do it. Or it might do something nasty. :-( I don't know if you want to gamble on it.
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14:26<stroyan>bighornram: The kernel code that uses that tunable seems to randomly perturb from the set value occasionally. So changing it after booting would not have an immediate effect.
14:26<stroyan>bighornram: I just changed the value on this system from 30000 to 600000 and it isn't dead, (yet).
14:27<stroyan>If the tickets server is actually being DDOSed then a longer timeout may do no good at all anyway.
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14:28<stroyan>bighornram: The timeout is recomputed from the tunable every 300 seconds in the current kernel.org source.
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14:31<bighornram>guess i'll just hang here in the que and try to be patient.
14:31<stroyan>And it is still far from certain that the "reachable_time" that controls is what determines a socket connect timeout.
14:31<bighornram>they had 8.5 million hits in 1 hour yesterday and had to suspend sales of the tickets.
14:31<bighornram>they say it is fixed today but i've been queing for 1 1/2 hours.
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14:39<sheldonh>queuing at a web site. has it come around full, pointless circle, or what?
14:39<stroyan>bighornram: I looked farther. It seems that the base_reachable_tunable is just for local networks. The net.ipv4.tcp_fin_timeout is the TCP connection timeout.
14:39<sheldonh>stroyan: you sure about that?
14:40<stroyan>sheldonh: I am reading http://sqlrelay.sourceforge.net/sqlrelay/tuning.html which says it.
14:40<sheldonh>stroyan: you sure it's not how long you keep sockets in finwait2 state? :)
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14:41<stroyan>Good point. It is the disconnect timeout. I knew I didn't like that "FIN" part.
14:41<sheldonh>stroyan: i think you're misreading their description, which is about collecting too many sockets in disconnected state :)
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14:42<sheldonh>stroyan: i'm pretty sure timeouts for things like http connections are an application-level issue, not a kernel tunable
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14:43<sheldonh>stroyan: that said, net.ipv4.tcp_retries1 looks interesting
14:43<sheldonh>stroyan, bighornram: see http://ipsysctl-tutorial.frozentux.net/chunkyhtml/tcpvariables.html
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14:45<stroyan>sheldonh: connect can return ETIMEDOUT. The iceweasel/mozilla discussions point to using some system default behavior, (with a nasty tendency to speak in terms of windows behavior).
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14:46<WildKid>Hi. I downloaded the debian win32 installer, and when I reboot, after selecting to install, it just freezes at "Loading Grub"......
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14:46<WildKid>What do I do?
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14:46<eldowan>I've newly installed firefox. It uses a http proxy on port 80. Each time any page loads, and sometimes multiple times per page, it asks for a username / password. I have supplied the correct credentials, and the page loads. Is there a way to prevent firefox from asking each and every single time. I would like it to just be transparent. I've looked through all the options I could find, and didn't see anything useful. Any help would be appreciated.
14:46<Eulex>WildKid, try the real one?
14:46<WildKid>I'm installiing from HD
14:47<WildKid>using the grub mbr
14:47<Eulex>WildKid, (the win32 installer isn't official, support isn't provided for it in here)
14:47<WildKid>with the files residing on an NTFS partition
14:47<WildKid>Eulex: Ug, then why did slashdot report it as such
14:47<sheldonh>stroyan: there's a surprise. so i'd say bump tcp_retries1 to 5 and tcp_syn_retries to 10 and see
14:47<Eulex>I don't know.
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14:49<WildKid>Eulex: It it possible to decompress a regular netinst image, decompress it (using WinImae), and then sing grub4dos to boot it?
14:49<stroyan>sheldonh, bighornram: That does look good. And much more informed than my attempts.
14:49<valdyn>WildKid: wth
14:49<Eulex>WildKid, a cd image is not compressed.
14:50<Eulex>WildKid, but why?
14:50<WildKid>I mean extract the files inside the image.
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14:50<Eulex>probably, but why?
14:50<Nu-Bee>_
14:50<WildKid>Because I don't any CD-Rs lying around...
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14:51<valdyn>WildKid: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
14:51<WildKid>Eulex: But would something like read-only variant of ntfs4dos cause problems with grub?
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14:51<Eulex>WildKid, you could try hd-media or installing by floppies. but seriously, get an empty cd-r and your problems will be solved.
14:52<Eulex>WildKid, we have nfi how ntfs4dos would interact with grub.
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15:02<sasha>hi , is there anybody here who is trying to install the new ati 8.42.4 driver on debian with the AIXGL support
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15:02<sasha>8.42.3 sorry
15:03<gpm>AIGLX?
15:04<azeem>gpm: never heard of it?
15:04<gpm>i was correcting him
15:04<gpm>sort of
15:04<azeem>it was an obvious typo
15:04<azeem>anyway
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15:04<gpm>well, i guess i'm just a butthole
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15:17<gpm>so i totally emailed marillat about a vlc bug, not realizing that vlc's in main and has an official package
15:17<gpm>and that my bug was already on bts
15:18<silox>Okay - now Im having a really serious baad problem with my laptop. I have Gutsy installed with encrypted harddrive (/boot is unencrypted). Everything worked just fine until I deleted a partition (non important - just a fat32 drive) and created a new one. After that - Grub says Error 17 on startup and I since the harddrive is encrypted I cant access my files!! This is a real pain in the ass for me as I have some really important files on that
15:18<silox>drive... I can access the Boot drive with a Live CD though. PLEASE ANYONE HELP ME!!
15:18<gpm>!tell silox about ubuntu
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15:18<Scurz>silox: try on #ubuntu@irc.freenode.net please ;)
15:18<Scurz>!ubuntu
15:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
15:18<silox>sorry =) but cant get any help anywhere else
15:18<gpm>yes you can
15:18<gpm>#ubuntu on freenode, ubuntuforums.org
15:19<gpm>everybody goes there for the "community"
15:19<silox>okay Ill try that again ,thx
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15:22<silox>Since I have a IBM T60 I really cant setup those settings...
15:22<silox>pardon me =)
15:22<silox>must be drunk today
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15:32<sebastw>Hello world
15:32<sebastw>Someone can help me please ?
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15:33<sebastw>I have keyboard 'us' in gdm but i want keyboard 'fr' as gnome session
15:33<sebastw>Why?
15:34<sebastw>please
15:34<Myon>doesn't allow gdm switching?
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15:34<zobel>!ask
15:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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15:35<sebastw>Myon, i don't understand
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15:37<sebastw>Myon, my xorg.conf is correct
15:37<gpm>sebastw: you're talking about the keyboard or the actually language?
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15:37<Myon>gpm: I wish I could just configure the language I (can) type :)
15:38<sebastw>gpm, keyboard. i m french but gdm works with us keyboard. It s difficult for me to type password with us keyboard
15:39<sebastw>gpm, but with gnome session, the keyboard is ok (fr)
15:39<eldowan>is the lastseen ?factoid? working for anybody?
15:39<sebastw>gpm, xorg.conf contains "fr" option
15:40<gpm>sebastw: i think you need to edit a gdm config file, maybe in /etc/gdm?
15:40<gpm>but i don't know
15:40<gpm>or maybe you can configure it in gnome once you've logged in
15:40<gpm>with a gui
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15:48<sebastw>thanks a lot
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15:52<_Staz>hi, I use pidof, pkill, pgrep etc frequently, but is there a tool to map pid's to process name>
15:52<_Staz>reverse pidof
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15:54<jagerman>_Staz: *shrug* cat /proc/$PID/cmdline I suppose
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15:54<jagerman>There's probably some tool that can do it for you
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16:16<S3v3N>Hello. I have question about networking. On debian i had before internet through router dhcp was set automatically. Now I have it through switch and i already changed interfaces but internet still does not work. Do i need to change anything else?
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16:17<S3v3N>It says: No DHCPOFFERS reveived. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
16:18<koollman>S3v3N: well ... it looks like the dhcp server does not answer correctly, or you have a bad link somewhere
16:18<S3v3N>what bad link?
16:18<S3v3N>before i had the server through switch with this interface and internet was working
16:19<S3v3N>i don't really know wheres the problem that it doesn't work now..
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16:19<koollman>are you sure the switch works ?
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16:19<S3v3N>yes all is working im 100% sure
16:19<S3v3N>something is with debian
16:20<S3v3N>also netword card is working cable is good, debian has the problem
16:20<S3v3N>but i dont know where ...
16:20<S3v3N>look interfaces
16:20<S3v3N>auto eth0
16:20<S3v3N>iface eth0 inet dhcp
16:20<S3v3N>this is in interface it should work with that
16:20<koollman>well ... adding a switch does not modify the network, except if the swith does something stupid
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16:21<S3v3N>but switch just split the network nothing else
16:21<S3v3N>its NOTHING with switch its about debian
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16:23<koollman>S3v3N: well ... if it worked before, and the only change is the switch ...
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16:23<S3v3N>well
16:23<S3v3N>i'll work with this tomorrow
16:23<S3v3N>im going into bed now bye bye
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16:56<dannynero666>hi all
16:57<Aquarius>hi
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17:08<mildner>please I need help for my fstab
17:08<mxey>mildner: Details?
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17:09<mildner>can I post the 6 lines here to veryfy if it is corect?
17:09<tiCo_>why not just the interesting line which you assume to be wrong? :-/
17:09<JasonS>!paste
17:09<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
17:09<mildner>as far as I know the order is aswell importand?
17:10<tiCo_>the line-order is absolutely unimportant
17:10<mildner>/dev/sda /home/mildner/Festplatte ext3 user,noauto 0 2
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17:11<mildner>is this ok to mount a second HD
17:11<tiCo_>ehm
17:11<tiCo_>/dev/sda?
17:11<tiCo_>you need to add there a partition and create a filesystem on it, otherwise this won't work
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17:12<mildner>sda is my HD
17:12<tiCo_>...
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17:15<mosty>i'm trying to figure out how to build a custom zaptel-source deb. i can build the zaptel deb ok, but i don't know what needs to be done to put the module source in place for module-assistant. can anyone help me out?
17:16<mildner>mxey: have you seen the detaisl......does it work like that?
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17:22<Lightnin>evening
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17:28<shaya>anyone know if its possible to "purge" a local gconf setting repository based on schemas that no longer are installed?
17:28<shaya>i.e. I install evolution, evolutotion creates gconf settings. I know purge evolution
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17:30<jodde>Hey guys.
17:30<jodde>How do I get the upgrade for Ubuntu in Terminal?
17:30<jodde>Upgrade manager keeps crashing.
17:30<shaya>"THIS IS NOT #ubuntu"
17:31<JasonS>jodde: ask #ubuntu
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17:32<simonrvn>jodde: /topic
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17:35<mildner>need some help for fsck
17:36<mildner>sorry I need some help for fstab
17:36<Arron>how do i format a partition for fat32?
17:36<Arron>and is that ok for a 160 gig drive?
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17:43<Lightnin>would anyone mind helping me with grub? trying to avoid a full reinstall just to install lilo. grub is scrolling "grub" on the screen but i do not have the option to use user mode on the hd's
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17:44<gluonman>Wait, this isn't #ubuntu. Why was I connected to #debian?
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20:00<angasule>any known bugs with the keyboard in Sid at this time?
20:01<gpm>no numlock leds in X :(
20:01<gpm>!ask
20:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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20:01<angasule>I have a friend with a fscked keyboard running KDE on Sid, he's not online and that's all I know
20:02<gpm>bummer
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20:02<angasule>yup
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20:07<gravity>gpm: Known bug, it's being worked on
20:07[~]gpm knows
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20:08<gpm>the bug is so well known, even i know it
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20:08<gravity>There's a patch that's a short term solution that just got posted upstream, so we'll probably put it in to debian real soon now
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20:10<gpm>cool
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20:15<owaisarain>hello
20:15<owaisarain>can somebody tell me how to play .dat file under ubuntu
20:15<gpm>!ubuntu
20:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
20:16<owaisarain>huh
20:17<lupine_85>cat file.dat > /dev/dsp
20:17<lupine_85>assuming your data is PCM audio :p
20:17<owaisarain>whats this
20:17<gpm>shouldn't it be auto-installing the codec for you anyway?
20:18<owaisarain>there is totem movie player installed by default
20:18<lupine_85>fascinating
20:18<lupine_85>but you should be in #ubuntu
20:18<owaisarain>it doesn't respond when i open file with it
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20:20<lupine_85>hey, at least it doesn't eat your car
20:20<owaisarain>i don't have one
20:21<lupine_85>well, if you did, it would be safe from the ravages of ubuntu
20:21<lupine_85>did you read the channel topic yet?
20:21<owaisarain>nop
20:21<lupine_85>it shows
20:21<lupine_85>0x90
20:21<owaisarain>what player u r using
20:22<lupine_85>Kaffeine. On D E B I A N
20:22<lupine_85>you know, that thing that isn't ubuntu
20:22<owaisarain>is it available in source or package
20:23<lupine_85>it doesn't matter, because you're not using debian
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20:24<owaisarain>i think i should switch to wintendo
20:24<lupine_85>go for it
20:24<owaisarain>linux sucks
20:24<lupine_85>bye
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20:27<lucas_amorim>Hello! How do I install compiz fusion on debian lenny w/ gnome??
20:28<Arron>can i get a older kernel package somewhere?
20:29<pazsion_>ha
20:29<pazsion_>hmm
20:29<chealer>Arron: than what?
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20:29<Arron>say 2.6.16 or 17 for i386?
20:30<Arron>.18 breaks my webcam
20:30<pazsion_>i have ubuntu 7.10 latest. want nvidia, have "installed" drivers but no graphics capa.
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20:30<pazsion_>quadro 600
20:30<lupine_85>/facepalm
20:30<lupine_85>pazsion_: read the topic. Read your question.
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20:31<pazsion_>rofl yea i kno
20:31<lupine_85>so....
20:31<chealer>Arron: and you wouldn't prefer a newer one?
20:31<lupine_85>lucas_amorim: do they have a debian-specific repo?
20:31<pazsion_>well isn't ubuntu based off debian?
20:31<lupine_85>...
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20:31<ameyer>!ubuntu
20:31<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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20:32<lupine_85>well, isn't ethanol based off methanol?
20:32<lucas_amorim>lupine_85: I think so but, not for lenny
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20:32<Arron>i have 18 now, now luck with it. there is a driver out for .22, bu thtats in lenny only from what i understand. .16 or .17 do me fine
20:32<pazsion_>ROFL
20:32<ameyer>lupine_85: actually, I don't think so
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20:32<lupine_85>well, you could try the etch/sid repo and see if it works. if not, just compile from source
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20:32<pazsion_>thank you for being help ful =P
20:32<chealer>Arron: 2.6.16 and 2.6.17 are also not in etch anymore.
20:32<lucas_amorim>pazsion_: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11.html
20:32<lupine_85>ameyer: ethanol just adds a bit to methanol ;)
20:33<lucas_amorim>depends o your arch
20:33<ameyer>also, I think it's packged for ubuntu
20:33<lucas_amorim>on*
20:33<Arron>chealer, is there somewhere i can get a copy? or can i grab the file from lenny for .22 and it should work?
20:33<ameyer>lupine_85: I thought one waas fermented wood, the other ws fermented fruit/corn/potato
20:33<lupine_85>chemically
20:33<lupine_85>and no, they're both hydrocarbons with an attached OH group
20:34<chealer>Arron: yes. I think the latter would work, but there's also a backport.
20:34<pazsion_>yea i've been reading this for 3 days now...it's a bit blurry now..
20:35<lupine_85>ubuntu have their own system for nvidia kernel modules. it's nothing like debian's system
20:35<Arron>chealer, how do i get the backport? this pc dont have any new hw on it to really worrie about
20:35<pazsion_>type this here...but doesn't give a subject
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20:36<pazsion_>so i have no idea weither or not to type somehin in konsole or into oblivion...
20:36<chealer>!tell Arron about backports
20:37<chealer>!tell Arron about backports.org
20:37<chealer>Arron: sorry, ignore the first
20:37<pazsion_>=P
20:37<Arron>chealer, thanks
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20:43<lucas_amorim>Hello, I am following this http://sonique54.free.fr/compiz-fusion/compiz-fusion.html#cf_g in order to install compiz-fusion o debian lenny. But this is not working, it is giving me unmet dependencies... what can I do?
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20:44<lupine_85>installing the unmet dependencies is generally a good start
20:44<lucas_amorim>where is the paste page? so I could paste the output of apt-get
20:44<lupine_85>!pastebin
20:44<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
20:44<lucas_amorim>lupine_85: "Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming."
20:45<lupine_85>or that the maintainer of the unofficial, not-made-by-debian, repository has made a boo-boo
20:46<lucas_amorim>http://rafb.net/p/wKrCQa16.html
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20:46<lucas_amorim>that is my problem about installing compiz-fusion
20:46<lupine_85>what it says. the package (also repository) is broken
20:46<lucas_amorim>so, how do you suggest me to install this?
20:47<lupine_85>you could try apt-get install "libemeraldengine0" to see /why/ it's not going to be installed
20:49<lucas_amorim>libemeraldengine0: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0) but 2.10.13-1 is to be installed and so on..
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20:49<lupine_85>well, there's your answer
20:49<lupine_85>it's compiled against libraries you don't have
20:49<lucas_amorim>an some of them it says that are uninstallable
20:49<lupine_85>updating to sid will almost certainly make the libraries availablwe
20:50<lupine_85>but, um
20:50<lupine_85>!sid
20:50<dpkg>the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq>
20:50<lucas_amorim>well, should not it install it by default?
20:50<lupine_85>no
20:50<lupine_85>"unstable", geddit?
20:50<lupine_85>protip: it's unstable
20:50<lucas_amorim>oh...
20:50<lucas_amorim>then, it is impossible to have compiz on a lenny sistem?
20:51<lupine_85>you could compile it yourelf
20:51<lupine_85>yourself*
20:52<lucas_amorim>that is a good idea, but, wouldn't it require all those dependencies lenny does not have anyway?
20:52<lupine_85>API != ABI
20:52<chealer>lucas_amorim: "then, it is impossible to have compiz on a lenny sistem?" -> no
20:53<lupine_85>the source can compile against gtk 2.10, for instance, but a binary compiled for gtk 2.12 can't run with gtk 2.10
20:53<lucas_amorim>chealer: what is your idea?
20:53<lupine_85>well, it might be able to, but i wouldn't bet on it
20:53<lucas_amorim>lupine_85: oh, i see...
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20:53<chealer>lucas_amorim: uh, I have no idea, but it's possible.
20:53<lucas_amorim>chealer: :)
20:54<lupine_85>"./configure; make; make install" ftw
20:54<lupine_85>hardly worth the effort, though
20:54<lucas_amorim>lupine_85: I will try that
20:54<lucas_amorim>why?
20:54<lupine_85>if you're lucky, the maintainer will have put source debs up in the repo and you can apt-get -b source them
20:54<lucas_amorim>???
20:55<lupine_85>because compiling software is a lot of work - especially something as sprawling as compiz fusion - and especiallly if you don't have a clue what you're doing
20:55<lupine_85>correct me if I'm wrong, but i think that last applies to you
20:55<lucas_amorim>well, I have compiled some stuff already, but i think compiz will give me headaches
20:56<lucas_amorim>what do you suggest?
20:56<lupine_85>not bothering with it
20:56<lupine_85>but i'm a biased, jaded old man
20:56<lucas_amorim>heheh
20:57<lucas_amorim>well... I think I will google around
20:57<lucas_amorim>thank you
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21:02<lucas_amorim>lupine_85: I just found out the mistake
21:02<lucas_amorim>lupine_85: the guide is wrong. The repos for sid and lenny are not the same
21:02<lucas_amorim>I just put lenny instead of sid, and it worked
21:02<lucas_amorim>:)
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21:05<lupine_85>...
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21:05<lupine_85>oh dear
21:05<lupine_85>and with that, I'm going to bed
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21:25<geekaia>hi friends
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21:25<geekaia>i has a problema with the logon script
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21:25<geekaia>in the openLdap + samba he doesn't execute
21:26<geekaia>has an diretive to be added for it execute
21:26<geekaia>???
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21:39<Lightnin>help....
21:39[~]Lightnin cries over grub and lilo
21:40<Lightnin>i've been running debian on another box for years (runs potato just to give an idea). trying to get things working on my new box and this is just...odd. anyone good with figuring out boot problems?
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22:06<tsuomu>hello\
22:06<tsuomu>:)
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22:11<greg>anyone here willing to help me with correcting file permissions so cgi scripts will exec
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22:12<Lightnin>greg, for apache?
22:12<greg>yes apache2
22:13<Lightnin>usually requires +ExecCGI on the directory that the cgi scripts are in, then, depending on permissions, either +x for the owner of the directory they are in, or +x for the person apache runs as
22:13<greg>i have that
22:13<greg>wait ill go grap the error
22:13<Lightnin>tried looking at the error_log file for apache to see if it gives any clues?
22:14<Lightnin>assuming you restarted or -HUP'd apache after the config change
22:14<greg>it downloads a blank nph-proxy.cgi file which to me automaticly mean it cant read the files content i chmod 755 for the directory
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22:15<greg>i ran /ete/init.d/apache2 force-reload each change
22:15<Lightnin>ok, check your error_log file
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22:15<Lightnin>what does it report?
22:15<greg>k one sec
22:16<greg>[Tue Oct 23 22:06:11 2007] [error] [client 15.34.10.1] (13)Permission denied: exec of '/var/www/web6/cgi-bin/nph-proxy.cgi' failed
22:16<greg>im using ispconfig hence the web6
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22:17<Lightnin>ok, and /var/www/web6/cgi-bin is specified to have +ExecCGI? last i knew, +ExecCGI does not follow sub dirs
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22:18<Lightnin>if so and +x for the file, then i'm not certain
22:18<Lightnin>tracking a boot issue :(
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22:18<greg>i did this <Directory /var/www/web6/cgi-bin>
22:18<greg> Options ExecCGI -Indexes
22:18<greg> AllowOverride None
22:18<greg> AllowOverride Indexes AuthConfig Limit FileInfo
22:18<greg> Order allow,deny
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22:19<ameyer>umm, pwnt?
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22:20<greg>forgot bout Flood
22:20<Lightnin>try +ExecCGI, not ExecCGI
22:21<Lightnin>only thing i can think of
22:21<greg>o crap if its that im going to kick myself
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22:23<greg>damn did the same thing asks to download a blank text file
22:23<Lightnin>let me check my apache config on the other box
22:24<greg>same error in log too
22:24<greg>k thanks
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22:25<Lightnin>i forget, does apache2 require the add-handler option for things like the cgi scripts?
22:25<Lightnin>i'm still on apache1
22:26<Lightnin>i have AddHandler cgi-script .cgi then my directory entry is similar to yours
22:27<greg>is AddHandle cgi.. in the <>
22:27<Lightnin>then the owner of the cgi file is httpd, same user specified by the User entry
22:28<Lightnin>inside the <VirtualHost> entry i have
22:28<Lightnin>otherwise it would be global
22:28<greg>ahh k
22:28<greg>ill try it
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22:31<greg>no luck with AddHandler
22:33<Lightnin>only thing left is then reverify that the user apache runs as also owns the file
22:35<greg>how do i do that? i know enough to be dangerous
22:35<Lightnin>what does the User entry in the apache config file say?
22:36<greg>User www-data
22:36<Lightnin>ok, what does ls -ld /var/www/web6/cgi-bin say?
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22:38<greg>i got rid of the isp config section of script so ill do ls -ld /usr/lib/cgi-bin is that ok?
22:38<greg>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-10-23 22:26 /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
22:39<greg>hmm i may be an idiot
22:39<greg>root isnt good right?
22:39<Lightnin>yep, root isnt good
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22:40<greg>but ugh
22:40<greg>drwxr-xr-x 8 www-data web6 4096 2007-10-22 04:00 /var/www/web6/
22:40<Lightnin>is the cgi-bin dir in web6 owned by www-data?
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22:40<Lightnin>if so, then do the ls command
22:41<Lightnin>err, if so, then do the ls command on the cgi file you are trying to run
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22:41<Lightnin>it should also be owned by www-data
22:41<greg>its owned by my username
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22:42<Lightnin>it should be owned by www-data
22:42<greg>how do i change that
22:42<Lightnin>both the directory and the cgi file itself so the www-data user can run it
22:42<Lightnin>with chown
22:42<greg>k
22:42<Lightnin>chown www-data /the/file/or/directory/to/change
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22:43<Lightnin>you can do chown -
22:43<greg>im slowly learning linux commands
22:43<Lightnin>err
22:43<Lightnin>chown -R www-data /blah to do recursive
22:43<greg>yea stupid -R annoys me
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22:44<kop_>What do I need to install/do to get additional character encodings, like en_utf8 or whatever it is?
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22:46<greg>ok lightnin its still doing it
22:47<greg>but www-data is a user in ls
22:47<Lightnin>same for the cgi file itself?
22:47<greg>yes
22:48<Lightnin>odd, recheck error_log. might reset apache if you can. sometimes it caches
22:49<greg>k
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22:50<kop_>dpkg-reconfigure locales seems to help. (me)
22:50<greg>its rebooting now
22:50<Lightnin>kop: :)
22:51<greg>error logs didnt show anything new
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22:51<kop_>What is the right way to set default applications for different types of files (rtf, pdf, etc.) in gnome?
22:51<Lightnin>not sure
22:52<kop_>Lightnin: Probably deep in that gnasty gnome registry somewhere.
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22:52<Lightnin>never used it myself
22:52<Lightnin>greg, sorry
22:53<greg>yea reboot didnt do nothing
22:53<Lightnin>not sure then
22:54<Lightnin>that is all i did on mine
22:54<greg>i probably did somthing dumb
22:55<greg>thats for ur help
22:55<Lightnin>i try, actually have to run now otherwise i'd look at the config for ya
22:56<Lightnin>baby is hungry
22:56<greg>k
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