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00:39<sutula>Can anyone here point me to where I'd set a system-wide default printer for Iceweasel
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00:44<kingsley>sutula: I don't know, but on the face of it, it seems like yet another Google research project to me.
00:47<sutula>kingsley: I gave that a 5 minute shot, figured someone here might "just know" (tm)
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00:55<arron_>anyone know how to get a nice aterm or *term borderless window to work in flux? -bl dont work
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01:40<loki_>hye guys, I need help changing my hostname after using the hostname command, it only changes the hostname for the terminal,all other applications say @oldname
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01:45<twb>loki_: because they started before the hostname changed
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01:50<loki_>no, even when I restart them
01:50<loki_>like, when I start konqueror to look at my files, it still says that
01:51<twb>You did `hostname fatboy'?
01:51<twb>konqueror is probably still running without telling you, GUI crap does that sort of thing
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01:51<twb>Also, `hostname fatboy' only lasts until you restart the system
01:53<loki_>how do you permanently change it?
01:53<twb>Edit /etc/hostname
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01:57<twb>The hostname is probably hard-coded in a number of other silly places, though
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02:08<twb>Just grep for it
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02:26<Draknebur>k onda...
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02:32<HolyAvenger>bleh ... spanish? On MY IRC?
02:33<HolyAvenger>oh, btw, I'm about to play CRYSIS-Demo! =D
02:34<HolyAvenger>No, that was not it. What was it? Oh, yeah! Who knows an IRC client that works via SSH (console)? I'm using xchat but, as it's name shows it, is gui based. =(
02:36<Nemoder>irssi? bitchx?
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02:39<muep_>HolyAvenger: Irssi is great
02:41<test1>hi, all, is there anyone familiar with TV viewing applications of with "dri" extention of Xorg ?
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02:53<yang>test1: xawtv
02:53<yang>xine, player
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02:55<test1>yang, i know their name, but i have some technical problems with dri extention of xorg related to tv applications :-(
02:55<HolyAvenger2>does irssi or bitchx allow xdcc transfers?
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04:11<grummund>Hi, to reconfigure exim i can do: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, but how to make it forget past selections?
04:12<grummund>deleting /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf is not enough
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04:19<twb>Hello yourself, tubby.
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04:20<test1>hi, all, is there anyone familiar with "dri" extention of Xorg ?
04:21<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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04:32<Sree>usage of quiet option on kernel command line changes the log level to 4.what is this loglevel?
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04:32<humark>hi all
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04:33<humark>Çäåñü åñòü ðóññêèå ïîëüçîâàòåëè?
04:34<kantor>hi, how can I change Debian's language If I have multiple languages installed, is there a dpkg-reconfigure app. to reconfigure the language ?
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04:35<humark>Hi, every-one can me help? I have a problem the Installing debian 4.0r0
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04:36<humark>Hi, help me please, at installation here such problem: Install reaches 77 % and hangs with inscription "Configuring keybord..."
04:36<humark>Debian 4.0r0
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04:39<kantor>how can I change gnome's language, all the programs to be in german for instance or other language ?
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04:40<muep_>kantor: select language when logging in
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04:43<humark>Hi, help me please, at installation here such problem: Install reaches 77 % and hangs with inscription "Configuring keybord..."
04:43<humark>Hi, help me please, at installation here such problem: Install reaches 77 % and hangs with inscription "Configuring keybord..."
04:43<humark>Hi, help me please, at installation here such problem: Install reaches 77 % and hangs with inscription "Configuring keybord..."
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04:47<humark>What command change a type keybord?
04:47<humark>ps2 - to - com2
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04:48<ARMYGUY79>What up?
04:50<humark>What command change type a keybord, during install?
04:50<humark>ps2 - to - com
04:51<humark>Est' russian?
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04:53<marcosggg>buenos días a todos los hispanoparlantes
04:54<marcosggg>hi, i am saying hello to everyone
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05:06<tf>hi everybody, i'm new in linux. When i try to install package, i get
05:06<tf>< export DEBIAN_FRONTEND; apt-get install --yes 'mscompress' ;echo RESULT=$?
05:06<tf>E: Не могу получить доступ к файлу блокировки /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
05:06<tf>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
05:06<tf>what should i do ?
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05:08<@Ganneff>be root.
05:08<tf>how ?
05:08<m0RrE>su -
05:08<tf>how can i do that in window ?
05:09<tf>there is no sonsole
05:09<m0RrE>open up the terminal
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05:10<tf>thats clear, but how to work with KDE package manager ?
05:10<tf>via windows :)
05:10<tf>its more simplier for me
05:10<tf>can u help me ?
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05:11<m0RrE>well i don't use kde myself.. but if i don't remember wrong it should ask for the root-pass when you try to install something
05:11<tf>i typed
05:12<m0RrE>it has never worked?
05:12<tf>i installed debian half an our ago
05:13<tf>so i duuno if it ever work
05:13<m0RrE>you should have installed gnome instead of kde ;)
05:13<tf>gnome is more friendly ?
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05:13<m0RrE>i prefer gnome.. kde is to windows-lookalike
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05:14<tf>i'll try gnome :)
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05:15<m0RrE>i can't really help you's ages since i used kde
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05:16<dli>tf, you should use synaptic package manager
05:16<dli>tf, for cli, use aptitude
05:16<tf>cli ?
05:17<dpkg>cli is, like, a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or
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05:20<tf>"()" whats that ? :|
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05:23<tf>cwlin ()
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05:39<tf>where i can dl original ?
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05:40<m0RrE>what's happened to yours? :)
05:40<tf>well, i change those servers to local
05:40<tf>and them ain'n work :(
05:40<EmleyMoor>The battery meter on my laptop still says I'm on AC power even though I disconnected it about half an hour ago
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05:41<m0RrE>tf: i could have given you mine, but there seems to be a problem at home and the power is gone :P
05:42<isildur>Hi, is this the right place to solve problems with my debian installation?
05:42<tf>yes it is
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05:43<m0RrE>tf: i'll give you one
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05:44<isildur>ok, i tryed to install debian with the netinstall cd for amd64. My PPPoE connection was accepted and i selected many ftp sources to install.
05:45<isildur>Most of them had preblems past a few seconds and some other i can't connect
05:45<isildur>But i found no server who worked.
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05:47<isildur>have someone an idea?
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05:50<tf>u have adsl or dialup ?
05:51<isildur>adsl, german telekom
05:52<isildur>I tried some german, swiss and UK servers from the list.
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05:53<isildur>In example: was connected and had a problem past the connection. I got only a message for try again, select other or end
05:54<isildur>nothing works
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05:58<witte>isildur: I had similar problems as well
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05:58<witte>isildur: quite a time ago
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05:59<tf> - works on my pc
05:59<witte>isildur: maybe try to install package by package, starting with apt and dpkg
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05:59<tf>mb problem with ur ISP ?
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06:00<witte>tf: when i got the problem, it was solved after a first update, i think some packages need to be updated
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06:00<EmleyMoor>Why would the power manager think I was still on AC?
06:02<trueno>Hi! is there a way to allow users to mount/umount a smbfs share using options in fstab? I tried with sudoers, but /bin/mount has a +s permission and thus does not allow me to do it. Any suggestions?
06:03<isildur>witte: thx, but i doesn't found a way to select such a installation. I used a netinst iso image.
06:03<weasel>trueno: smbmount?
06:03<witte>isildur: you can do ctrl -alt f2 or something to get in a basic terminal
06:04<isildur>tf: thx, but it was yesterday evening and i tried more then one ftp source.
06:05<isildur>witte: I downloaded the ISO image yesterday. Maybe it is not a update problem. Or the updates where not inserted into the netinstall image?
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06:06<witte>isildur: did you download a weekly or daily built or the stable one
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06:07<isildur>witte: I downloaded the "" "debian-40r1-amd64-netinst.iso 20-Aug-2007 22:17 148M "
06:09<isildur>It is a stable version
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06:14<bony>hii friends
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06:15<trueno>weasel: great, it works with sudo... however, can I smbmount /dest/dir? (so that it takes the opts in /etc/fstab?)
06:15<witte>isildur: can't find anything related to it on the web
06:16<witte>isildur: are you now near that machine
06:16<weasel>trueno: I havne't used smbmount in a while. but can't you just give smbmount options on the commandline?
06:16<witte>trueno: you can give the option "user" in fstab as well
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06:16<witte>trueno: users would be able to mount in that case
06:16<weasel>smbmount stuff doesn't have much to do with fstab at all
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06:18<trueno>witte: weasel: this is the line from fstab:
06:18<isildur>witte: yes, but i am online with windoofs. The netinstall cd has wged but no lynx or thomething like that.
06:18<trueno>le,rw,user,noauto 0 0
06:18<trueno> //srv/musik /opt/music smbfs username=emule,password=emuleemu
06:18<trueno>le,rw,user,noauto 0 0
06:20<witte>trueno: that should be user mountable, just "mount /opt/music" but i have in options also uid=1000,gid=1000 specified
06:20<witte>trueno: and i use cifs instead of smbfs
06:20<witte>isildur: can you go to a terminal?
06:20<trueno>witte: mmm...
06:21<dpkg>[cifs] Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT
06:21<trueno>witte: I know nothing about cifs
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06:22<trueno>how should I use cifs?
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06:22<witte>trueno: in fstab, you place cifs instead of smbfs
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06:23<trueno>witte: does it have any advantages?
06:23<isildur>witte: no i am online with windoofs. On the same PC. Linux is not up at this time.
06:27<trueno>Thanks!! gotta go, it works!!
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06:29<test1>hi, all, is there anyone familiar with "dri" extention of Xorg ?
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06:33<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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06:49<isildur>tf, witte: Thx, i got some ideas. I will try it again. Otherwise download ubuntu ;-). So i have enough otions. I hope i can avoid the SuSe. Its my last option. Bye all
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06:51<davi>Debian was first announced on 16 August 1993 by Ian Murdock -- Ref.:
06:51<davi>S.u.S.E was founded in late 1992 -- Ref.:
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06:51<davi>So, SuSE is previous to Debian?
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06:52<weasel>davi: They released the first CD version of SLS/Slackware in 1994, under the name S.u.S.E Linux 1.0.
06:52<davi>weasel, and Debian?
06:52<weasel>davi: debian has been a linux distro project from the start
06:52<davi>what was the date of the first distribution?
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06:52<weasel>davi: first 0.9x release was around 94/95
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06:53<davi>so, was Debian first than SuSE?
06:54<weasel>"it depends"
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07:21<sebastw>hello world
07:21<sebastw>i have problem with gdm
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07:22<sebastw>keyboard in gdm is english but the keyboard is in french for the console and gnome
07:22<sebastw>Please, a solution to configure gdm for french keyboard ?
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07:38<dn7>i'm kinda lost here.. trying ot setup ATI drivers on deb. but i fail to install the kernel-headrs (apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r))
07:38<dn7>E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.23-1-686
07:38<dn7> :-/
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07:39<cyt>dn7: how do you setup ATI drivers on deb? May be u just need install xserver-xorg-video-ati - X.Org X server -- ATI display driver
07:40<dn7>i'm follwing some kind of a tutorial :))
07:40<dn7>let me check this out ;)
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07:48<dn7>thats sorted out thx;)
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07:48<dn7>all i have to do is now to find how ot mount the root -> nls=utf8
07:48<dn7>.. :)
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07:50<sasha>hi , i have my hard disk partitions configured like this : Vista | Debian | Swap , i would like ti shrink the windos partition and add the free space to the debian partition , how can i managed this without loosing anything
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07:51<kart_>sasha, only one partition allocated to Vista?
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07:52<sasha>shrinking vista partition is not the problem but moving and enlarging the debian one , i don t know how
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07:53<valdyn>sasha: use a livecd and gparted
07:54<sasha>for all the process or only the debian part
07:54<sasha>i mean can it managed ntfs
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07:55<valdyn>sasha: It can shrink and move ntfs partitions too
07:55<valdyn>sasha: or fat32, whatever you have
07:55<sasha>nice , and qfter the moving , enlarging process of the debian partition , do i have to do something with grub
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07:55<sasha>grub is on the mbr
07:56<valdyn>sasha: im not sure about if you have to reinstall grub, but that's not to hard
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07:57<sasha>valdyn : thanks
07:57<valdyn>sasha: that is: boot livecd, mount your debian system, chroot to that system, mount /proc and /sys, possibly /dev, grub-install /dev/whatever
07:58<tetsuharu>hey there #debian
07:58<tetsuharu>finally got you installed on my little Xybernaut MAV doohickey
07:58<sasha>mount /proc and /sys, possibly /dev -> how ?
07:58<tetsuharu>it took a while, but I feel we'll have a good long life together
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08:07<sasha>hi each time i type apt-get build-dep package it says nothing to install ? i m under debian/testing , do i have to add a line like this in source list
08:07<sasha>deb-src testing
08:08<infinity_>somebody installed ubuntu 7.10 in a dell L400 ?
08:09<infinity_>i have a trouble to resolve...why the cpu fan stop to work under ubuntu 7.10 ?
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08:12<tetsuharu>what an adorable little computer this is..
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08:12<tetsuharu>its bareable without windows XP too
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08:15<iamtravis>hello, i was wondering if anybody knew of a program that checks /etc/passwd entries and the like for users that aren't required by the system anymore and removes them?
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08:20<buck>Hello everyone!
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08:21<tetsuharu>hi buck
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08:49<sasha>hi , in source.list , can i replace all the occurence of etch by stable ?
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08:53<streuner>sure, but keep in mind, next release would upgrade your packages then
08:54<sasha>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
08:55<sasha>E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/
08:55<streuner>!dynamic mmap
08:55<dpkg>Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
08:55<sasha>what is it ?
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08:55<streuner>oh, show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste)
08:56<streuner>sasha: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
08:57<sasha>here it is
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08:57<streuner>uh, *evil*
08:58<sasha>ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1
08:58<sasha>my preference is testing -> unstable -> stable
08:58<streuner>well, you are running, so it seems, lenny
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08:59<streuner>good luck with that one, if you want mess your system
08:59<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro".
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09:00<streuner>sasha: you need 2 lines only
09:00<lupine_85>well. depends on how the pinning is set up
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09:00<sasha>pining is testing -> unstable -> stable
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09:00<lupine_85>yeah, that's fine then
09:00<streuner>no, thats crap
09:01<lupine_85>if a package is in testing, that's the version that gets installed
09:01<streuner>!tell lupine_85 about bobbitt
09:01<lupine_85>you can override it per-package for unstable
09:01<lupine_85>I just read that
09:01<streuner>yeah, but you seem not to unterstand
09:02<lupine_85>course I understand
09:02<lupine_85>don't install unstable or testing packages onto stable
09:02<streuner>hm, thats already too late NOW
09:03<lupine_85>pinning is a valid mechanism for grabbing only what you need from sid, when you're running testing
09:03<streuner>pinning is a reliable mechanism to get serious headaches
09:03<lupine_85>only if you're blindly installing stuff from sid and not looking at the dependencies it pulls in
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09:04<lupine_85>let's face it, just running testing or sid is a reliable mechanism to get serious headache
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09:05<streuner>dude, if you going to tell newbies here how to run pinning, do that, but its rather not helpful
09:05<streuner>helpful is an easy way to run Debian (etch/stable) without headaches
09:06<streuner>and pinning is good way to break your system
09:06<lupine_85>I wasn't aware that sasha was teh ulta n00b lol
09:07<sasha>i m not so much nembie :)
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09:07<lupine_85>if you set up pinning all by yourself, of course you're not
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09:08<sasha>i have MMAP error since i added some packages but i hope it will resolve now
09:08<sasha>yes it solved .. nice
09:08<lupine_85>if you don't really use the deb-src lines, you could remove them
09:08<lupine_85>would speed up apt-get update, too :)
09:09<sasha>no i just added them to use apt-get build-dep packages
09:09<sasha>i want to build amsn from snapshot cause my webcam is not recognise with the one in testing
09:09<lupine_85>amsn uses v4l, right?
09:10<sasha>yes and i need it to get wotking with a screen lapop wrbcam with uvcvideo module
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09:11<lupine_85>fair enough; I've not touched webcams much
09:11<lupine_85>mine Just Works with kopete and gspca :)
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09:12<sasha>depend on the cam in fact
09:12<myki>Hi. Can you reccomend an application to resize existing ext2 partition withount harming data?
09:12<sasha>but i really love seeing my os evolving step by step to recognise all the device after a while
09:12<streuner>myki: no
09:12<streuner>myki: make a backup first
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09:13<lupine_85>myki: resize2fs + fdisk
09:13<lupine_85>or you can do it with, say, the gnuparted live cd
09:13<lupine_85>always best to make a backup Just In Case, but I've never lost anything
09:14<sasha>lupine_85 : i m going to shrink my vista partition , and enlarged the debian one after the process do i have to make something with grub or not ?
09:14<myki>It's not that important dana anyway, thx
09:14<lupine_85>sasha: as long as the partition order doesn't change, then no
09:15<lupine_85>personally I would use partition magic or something else to shrink the vista partition, though
09:15<sasha>ever if the partition start point change on the hard disk
09:15<lupine_85>even then
09:15<witte>lupine_85: i would never use partition magic
09:15<lupine_85>and I would never use ntfsresize
09:16<lupine_85>especially not with parted and friends
09:16<witte>lupine_85: it is plain broken
09:16<sasha>yes i understand that my personnal point of view also
09:16<witte>best is to remove all partitions and start all over
09:16<lupine_85>mm, like that's an option for most people :)
09:17<witte>if you have the space to put the data of the other disks or if the other install is not valuable
09:17<lupine_85>the "Known Issues" section of man ntfsresize is enlightening, although less than amusing when you lost an NTFS partition at an install day due to it.... less so
09:17<lupine_85>much less so*
09:17<lupine_85>bah. and still too big
09:18<lupine_85>I knew I should have gotton 14 1/2"
09:18<sasha>best is to remove all partitions -> i need almost month to get my computer in is actual state and can not efford that option regarding to work
09:18<lupine_85>ahem. er. those last two lines were for a different channel :D
09:19<lupine_85>sasha: if you can't resize the windows partition with a windows tool, then use plain ntfsresize and hope
09:19<lupine_85>/don't/ use it with parted and friends
09:19<sasha>no i can no prob :)
09:20<sasha>is there an apt command to check if everything is correct
09:21<lupine_85>apt-get check
09:21<lupine_85>looks for broken packages, etc
09:22<sasha>and lupine , how can i get involved into the integration of some packages in debian
09:23<lupine_85>you want the new maintainer process
09:23<sasha>for my work i v yet ported a lot of packaged that are not ever in unstable but in research
09:24<sasha>thanks lupine always to see you around here :)
09:25<sasha>always nice i mean
09:25<lupine_85>heh. I try
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09:27<Walda>Trying to install debian businesscard through tftp, It boots and gets the same nameservers as my other comp(supplied by ISP and stored in router) but it cant connect to any server to download the installs
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09:29<sasha>Walda : i had the same problem while trying to install i switched to a netinstall cd and get no problem
09:29<Walda>dont have a CDrom and I wanted to learn using tftp :p
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09:30<Walda>can see it tries to wget the files but it never gets any, not sure where the problem lies
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09:36<bighornram>How would I set an environment variable "AQOFX_LOG_COMM"?
09:37<lupine_85>export AQOFX_LOG_COMM="value"
09:37<bighornram>hmm would the value be where the desired log file should be?
09:37<lupine_85>not a clue
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09:39<tetsuharu>it depends what application is using the environment variable and where, bighornram
09:40<tetsuharu>if its a user thing, probably stuff that in ~/.bashrc
09:40<bighornram>me either was hoping someone here might. I have instructions to set the environment variable "AQOFX_LOG_COMM" and that would make a "/tmp/ofx.log"
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09:40<bighornram>to create the log to troubleshoot connection
09:40<tetsuharu>then export AQOFX_LOG_COMM="/tmp/ofx.log"
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09:40<lupine_85>well, give it a try
09:40<george>bighornram, what value does that variable need to have?
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09:41<bighornram>tried that though without the quotes will try with quotes.
09:41<bighornram>george: that is what I am unsure about.
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09:42<george>same here... the instructions should say
09:42<george>but the basic form is
09:42<george>export varname="value"
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09:43<george>the export is optional for the variable setting itself... it means the variable will be marked in a certain way, so that when the shell runs a program that variable will be included in the program
09:43<george>'s environment
09:44<lupine_85>mm, you can just do VAR=VALUE <command>
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09:45<sasha>i ve build an install amsn from snapshot , when the one testing repository will be more recent , is apt going to detect it and upgrade it ?
09:45<lupine_85>sasha: depends on how you've done it
09:46<sasha>with ceck install
09:46<sasha>with checkinstall
09:46<lupine_85>is the package name the same?
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09:46<bighornram>is AqBanking
09:47<lupine_85>then yes, it will upgrade it when the version in debian testing becomes higher than the version in your snapshotted one
09:47<sasha>nice thanks
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09:56<Dearvi>hi everybody :)
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09:56<denis_>hi there, after uprgrading to gutsy i have problems with avi file, the colours are not rigth, anyone a suggestion?
09:57<lupine_85>asking in #ubuntu is probably a good start
09:57<graytron>denis_: what is the debian version?
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09:58<denis_>graytron, how can i see this?
09:58<lupine_85>your version is gutsy - you just said so
09:58<JasonS>denis_: wrong channel
09:58<lupine_85>protip: that's not debian
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09:58<JasonS>denis_: your running ubuntu not debian
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09:59<JasonS>denis_: #ubuntu then is best for you
09:59<lupine_85>denis_: and this channel is..?
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10:27<ifvoid>anyone here with an amd64 system and a 32 bit chroot?
10:28<ifvoid>lupine_85: could you try running glxinfo in the chroot?
10:28<lupine_85>it won't work
10:29<ifvoid>why not?
10:29<lupine_85>I'm not sure about the specifics
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10:30<lupine_85>it didn't even work when I installed the correct 32-bit libraries and stuff into the chroot
10:30<lupine_85>(for OpenGL)
10:30<lupine_85>and I certainly never managed to get direct rendering
10:30<ifvoid>well, direct rendering works here in 64 bit
10:31<lupine_85>yeah, but it won't go in the chroot
10:31<lupine_85>although, there's a project that might help
10:31<lupine_85>umm. let me try to remember the name
10:31<ifvoid>but I was under the impression that 32 apps should also work (provided the correct 32 bit libraries are available)
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10:33<lupine_85>hang on, no
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10:42<w00ter^>Hiya, i just reinstalled my Etch, and for some reason when i try and use 'killall' command, i get a command not found... Any idea whats going on with that ?
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10:42<gsimmons_>w00ter^: You'll need to install the 'psmisc' package.
10:43<w00ter^>gsimmons_ : thanks
10:46<ifvoid>fixed it
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10:49<george>so the reason you might get a command not found... the command is not found in any dir in your ( echo $PATH ) variable
10:49<cha>anyone know what is protocol analyzer
10:49<george>it analyses protocols?
10:50<lupine_85>wireshark/ethereal does some of that
10:50<cha>i want more details for my assignment can you send me any website for get more details
10:50<cha>oh thanx
10:50<george>first learn what is a protocol, then consider what is analysis
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10:51<aptituz>and learn to use google
10:51<george>that is if you want to do your assignment in a way that doesn't involve plagarism :)
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10:52<aptituz>i fear most people these days rely a lot on plagiarism
10:52<george>and they get popped for it...
10:52<george>and get kicked out of school...
10:53<lupine_85>not here they don't
10:53<lupine_85>plagarism is potentially an arrestable offence
10:54<lupine_85>amazing what that does to focus your mind
10:54<aptituz>isn't that an arrestable offence everywhere?
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10:54<george>lupine_85: where is "here"
10:55[~]jagerman suspects it is copyright infringement, not plagiarism, that is the "arrestable" part of the offense.
10:56<aptituz>actually plagiarism is a copyright infringement
10:56<lupine_85>isn't copyright infringement civil, rather than criminal?
10:56<george>lupine_85: so are you saying that plagarism itself is potentially criminal?
10:57<george>in UK that is
10:57<jagerman>aptituz: It is not.
10:57<lupine_85>eh, I'm looking
10:57<jagerman>aptituz: Copyright infringement only applies to, you know, copyrighted works.
10:58<lupine_85>plagarism is a form of copyright infringement
10:58<lupine_85>and /everything/ is copyrighted
10:58<george>arrestable offense == criminal, yes?
10:58<miksuh>I think that these days it's maybe much more important to know how to use information which is available than try to understand how everything works
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10:58<jagerman>george: Well, it could become arrestable if you refuse to follow the courts orders :)
10:58<miksuh>eg.ö if you are studying and you will be a programmer, there is no way how you would know how everythjing works
10:58<aptituz>jagerman: copyright is nothing you need to declare but simply get it by doing something
10:58<jagerman>george: Though arguably that's a difference offense.
10:59<jagerman>aptituz: Copyright *expires*
10:59<miksuh>pure plagianism is bad, but you need to knoe how to use information which is available too
10:59<lupine_85>jagerman: the moral rights of the author, however, don't
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11:00<aptituz>jagerman: hm. yeah. right.
11:00<george>lupine_85: but that comes out of the arrestable part
11:01<george>besides the author is free to sign away his rights in that regard
11:02<lupine_85>moral rights are not transferable
11:02<jagerman>lupine_85: I'm unconvinced that the moral rights 90 years after the work was published outweigh the benefit to society of having more creative work to be able to freely build upon.
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11:02<george>miksuh: for the case in point, which is the guy that just came here to ask for the link, I was just offering a small warning to stay away from plagarism. which he will if he quotes and cites.
11:05<jagerman>Plagiarism is, quite correctly, prohibited at educational institutions.
11:06<lupine_85>seems I was wrong, anyway. plagarism is merely a breach of copyright and/or moral right
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11:07<george>oh, so maybe it's not arrestable?
11:07<jagerman>It's also quite rare for someone to be expelled for a first offense, especially at the undergraduate level.
11:07<lupine_85>jagerman: it's an automatic fail of the module here, and if you fail 2 modules you get kicked out in most cases :D
11:07<lupine_85>(and that's the /minimum/ offence)
11:08<lupine_85>erm, punishment
11:08<george>what's a module?
11:08<lupine_85>a unit of work. you get 4 per term; 3 terms/year
11:08<lupine_85>100 hours per module, or so
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11:10<jagerman>lupine_85: It is almost always up to the discretion of the professor. Most I've worked with here have had the policy that for a first time offense, if you admit it and apologize, you get 0 for the work in question (assignment, essay, whatever).
11:10<jagerman>lupine_85: Students who deny it and fight it may end up with a F for the course.
11:10<lupine_85>far too lenient :D
11:11<george>case-by-case basis
11:11<lupine_85>utter crackdown
11:12<lupine_85>of course, once you leave academia, plagarism can get you done for professional misconduct
11:12<bzed>all you need to do is to cite correctly ;)
11:12<george>well then there's the issue of whether there is evidence of plagarism
11:12<jagerman>lupine_85: It also depends on the level of plagiarism. A few students working together on an assignment for a first year course and copying each other is a lot less serious than plagirism in an Honours thesis.
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11:13<george>the prof could say things like "heres the assignment ____, you can/can't work together in groups"
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11:13<george>or if he says they can, he can say "but you have to submit your own work"
11:13<JasonS>still cheating though :)
11:14<george>as defined how?
11:14<george>oh, you were responding to which comment?
11:14<JasonS>i like our federal police policy at thier training school, they've kicked out traines for taking glasses home from bars
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11:15<george>so for committing a crime? ok
11:15<JasonS>if they'll steal that they will steal larger, if you cheat/plagerize what's to stop you from doing worse when you get out of university?
11:16<JasonS>course im not awake yet so who knows
11:16<george>yer sleeep typing!
11:16<george>shhhh! no one wake him up!
11:16<dellorino>sono riuscito a fare girare il cubo ma ha solo 2 desktop come faccio ad aggiungere gli altri due desktop perpiacere??
11:17<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete (non C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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11:25<bean>I am not getting success installing ndiswrapper in kernel amd64 somebody that passed already for the same problem could help me? I have problems with English:p
11:28<witte>which language do you prefer, there are language specific channels about debian
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11:31<bean>witte, Portuguese... The canal of Brazil is abandoned :p
11:31<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:32<witte>bean: you tried it already, ok
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11:32<witte>bean: sorry, i do not know a lot of ndiswrapper, nor Portuguese
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12:51<lambda>Hi i have some troubles to turn on a wireless mouse
12:52<lambda>udevmonitor tell me
12:52<lambda>about this wireless keyboard/mouse device
12:52<lambda>But in fact I am unable to use it
12:53<lambda>How finding the symlink /dev/.... ??
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12:55<witte>lambda: somewhere in /dev/input?
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12:56<lambda>ls /dev/input:
12:56<lambda>by-id/ by-path/ event0 event1 event2 event3 event4 event5 event6 event7 event8 mice mouse0 mouse1 mouse2 mouse3 ts0 ts1 ts2 ts3
12:56<Cicloner>hi to all ;)
12:57<witte>lambda: if you do "cat /dev/input/mice" and move your mouse, does something happen?
12:57<lambda>after unplugged it some links disappear : mouse3 ts3 event 7&8
12:57<witte>lambda: maybe mouse3 is the one
12:57<witte>test it with the cat command
12:58<lambda>nothing :(
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12:58<witte>not with mice and not with mouse3?
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13:00<lambda>with no one
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13:01<apecat>is webmin still considered evil?
13:01<dpkg>it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian:, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality
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13:01<apecat>witte: yeah, i had a query with dpkg but just wanted to check
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13:02<apecat>that just soudns too sad ;(
13:02<BoBo`>i have problem with sync attack on port 8181 how resolv this problem ?
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13:02<witte>lambda: ok, normally it shouldnt make a difference with wireless mouses
13:03<witte>apecat: you can do everything without it
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13:07<george>BoBo`: disconnect from the internet?
13:07<BoBo`>close port
13:07<BoBo`>i have a radio station
13:07<BoBo`>and when receive flood port close
13:08<BoBo`>flood whit proxy sync attack ...
13:08<BoBo`>is not doss attack
13:09<george>"resolve this problem" ==> talk to flooder.
13:10<george>so what you want to do is not resolve the problem but try to block it
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13:10<george>(this is what I gather from your "lol")
13:11<BoBo`>george how to talk to flooder ?
13:11<BoBo`>is 10000 ip
13:11<BoBo`>how is flooder ?
13:11<george>so someone must be REALLY angry at you
13:11<george>could that be? :)
13:12<BoBo`>i have a pubic radio station :)
13:12<george>for example... if I were to listen to your station, would I find out how that might be possible?
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13:14<george>BoBo`: have you learned about linux netfilter and how it works yet?
13:15<george>(admittedly, I don't know it completely. but at the same time I don't need to at this moment)
13:16<george>then given you have the need, you should do that
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13:17<arron_>how do i edit the disk name for a partition?
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13:20<george>the facts are: one, you might have someone angry with you, or with the content presented by your radio station. In my opinion you need to find out, if it is your goal to RESOLVE the problem.
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13:21<george>two, you have been here before asking the same question and if I recall correctly someone did give you sufficient linkage to learn about how the netfilter (and therefore iptables) works. you haven't done so yet; why not start right now?
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13:22<knoppix123>do you speak german?
13:22<george>no, do you?
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13:22<knoppix123>yes, i am
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13:23<knoppix123>my english is very bad
13:23<george>would you like to be helped in German?
13:23<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:23<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
13:23<mida>na dann /join
13:23<knoppix123>ok das ist besser
13:23<knoppix123>wer bist du?
13:24<george>witte: you're making a guess based on his nick... educated, perhaps.
13:24<knoppix123>ok, who are you
13:24<mida>Was tut das zur Sache?
13:24[~]george is... umm...
13:24<witte>george: yes, and if it is not correct, he can ignore it :-)
13:25<knoppix123>völlig anonym was?
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13:25<george>witte: nevertheless your trigger finger seems itchy...
13:25<mida>knoppix123: Suchst du ne Beziehung oder was? /whois <nick> sollte helfen
13:26<simonrvn>george: also because s/he has the knoppix user name
13:26<witte>I do not accuse someone or something, people often do not know these things and are happy that they are pointed in teh correct direction :-)
13:26<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial:
13:26<simonrvn>woops, sorry
13:26<george>simonrvn: oh, that in addition to what I said, that it's from his nick? :)
13:26<simonrvn>should've copied the nick too
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13:27<simonrvn>george: only knoppix has knoppix user name
13:27<witte>simonrvn: but he could have a debian problem that he tries to solve using knoppix
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13:28<mida>can anyone help me make this running:
13:28<mida>find . -name *.c | xargs -pi sed 's/exit\(\)/exit\(9\) {} > {}
13:28<witte>simonrvn: so maybe george was right and we were a bit premature in pointing him to that channel (although experience ...)
13:28<mida>> {} does not work
13:28<mida>output is nor written to xargs...
13:28<simonrvn>mida: missing closing ' for one thing
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13:29<mida>yes, i missed it, but not the prob
13:29<mida>Was behind \)
13:29<mida>find . -name *.c | xargs -pi sed 's/exit\(\)/exit\(9\)' {} > {}
13:29<george>witte: only because this thing of "we don't support <Z>" is a statement like "Go away boy, you bother me..."
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13:29<mida>output is written to the file {}
13:30<simonrvn>george: no, there's actually a good reason for it
13:30<mida>That was not my idea ;-)
13:30<george>I understand that
13:30<simonrvn>mida: well, what is it you're trying to do with that > {} ?
13:30<george>but most of the time when that is presented it looks hostile
13:30<mida>{} shout be the input for the sed command, the output shoud it be too
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13:31<mida>It should replace
13:31<george>maybe not this time so much, except the factoid has a coupla all-caps words, which is like yelling
13:31<george>even though it's not really yelling
13:31<mida>same file
13:31<alvarezp>How can exec*() and system() calls be logged on Debian to syslog?
13:32<mida>simonrvn: You don't understand me?
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13:33<mida>I want to run the sed sed 's/exit\(\)/exit\(9\) <file> > <file>
13:33<mida>For more than one file
13:33<simonrvn>man sed: -i[SUFFIX], --in-place[=SUFFIX]
13:33<simonrvn>yeh, so why the {} ?
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13:34<knoppix123>do you like snuff
13:34<mida>I read this in my book here ;-)
13:34<simonrvn>you're runninf find on it, you don't need to do that. you have to treat it differently
13:35<Clumsy_Roo1>(19:32:46) knoppix123: do you like snuff <-- not bad for a first line
13:35<knoppix123>only time
13:35<mida>simonrvn: I trie to understand how this combining between different programs work
13:36<mida>How can I do this in combination of find and sed
13:36<simonrvn>find finds the file, passes it to xargs, xargs runs sed on *each* file
13:37<simonrvn>...that find finds
13:37<mida>Yes, so was the theorie
13:37<mida>And why the snipped doesn't work?
13:38<simonrvn>so you have to tailor your sed accordingly
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13:41<george>well not exactly
13:41<george>xargs by default runs the command once
13:41<george>and just piles arguments gotten from stdin on the one command
13:42<george>however you can tell xargs to feed one arg to each command invocation
13:42<mida>george: and how?
13:42<george>man xargs
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13:43<george>it's written there, go get it :)
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13:46<george>and you should look at and try the examples
13:46<simonrvn>george: that's my take on it, since s/he's trying to use a redirect in there, s/he'll have to treat it weird
13:46<mida>george: I am on it
13:47<simonrvn>WTF are these \ coming in from? gggrr
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13:49<mida>george: The examples are for things like ... | xargs rm -rf
13:49<mida>I need two occurances of the args
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13:50[~]jagerman suggests find's -exec option, in case it hasn't been suggested yet.
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13:51<mida>jagerman: Then I have to write a script which uses overgiven filname as in and outputname
13:51<mida>My problem is how to handle the overgiven filename as in and outputfilename
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13:51<mida>in one command
13:51<petemc> find . -name *.c |while read ; do sed -i 's/exit\(\)/exit\(9\)/g' "$REPLY" ; done
13:52<fxiny>i'll sell on ebay :)
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13:52<fxiny>f* nice !
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13:52<mida>petemc: What is $REPLY?
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13:53<petemc>what file finds
13:53<petemc>you'll need to use find . -name '*.c'
13:53<petemc>erm, what find finds, i mean
13:53<mida>Yes, I understand
13:53<mida>And now with xargs ;-)
13:54<petemc>very funny
13:54<petemc>im a one trick pony, and while read is my trick
13:54<jagerman>mida: Am I misunderstanding? jagerman@betwixt:~$ find . -maxdepth 0 -exec echo {} {} \; # outputs . .
13:55<mida>jagerman: Exactly what petemc small script does.
13:56<mida>jagerman: But I think you are not misunderstanding
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13:57<mida>petemc: Is this $REPLY a find thingy or variable which is ever set after commands with output?
13:57<petemc>you can call it what you want, while read anything ; do echo $anything ; done
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13:58<petemc>using $REPLY means you dont have to name it, thats the default
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13:58<jagerman>i.e. while read; and while read REPLY; do the same thing.
13:59[~]jagerman thinks is kind of a shitty "default" variable name, mind you :)
13:59<george>they both make you type stupf
13:59<petemc>you can also do while read foo bar baz ; echo $foo $bar $baz ; done
13:59<petemc>tho thats not relevant to your problem
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13:59<mida>ok, I understand
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14:01<fxiny>$FORMATHDA1 sounds better
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14:44<w00ter^>Hi, i have an issue with a program (Sourcemod) not being able to find a .so.1 file. When i do a search, the file is present there. I'm just wondering if this is a bug in Sourcemod, or if its an issue with my Linux... I posted more info here; , Could anyone have a quick check on it ?
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15:00<silent>guys playing crysis yet?
15:00<silent>..oh wait
15:00<BoBo|>how stop a syn attack ?
15:01<george>have you learned netfilter yet
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15:01<george>aha. so then you might have more informed questions?
15:03<george>ok, so what do you know about netfilter so far?
15:04<BoBo|>i don`t know how stop this syn flood .......
15:04<BoBo|>have a solution ?
15:05<george>of course not. you're the one who's going to solve YOUR problem
15:05<BoBo|>but how
15:05<BoBo|>i don`t have a good firewall
15:05<george>so you have not learned netfilter.
15:05[~]weasel blinks
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15:07<george>BoBo|: when you ask about it, it sounds -so- important to you... so one would think it's important enough for you to put your own time into it
15:09<george>you can't stop a flood any more than you can stop someone from doing anything they want to do
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15:15<george>BoBo|: ok, so here's a little review... what is it that netfilter does? what kinds of things can you build with netfilter?
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15:16<gass>hello there
15:16<gass>does anyone has troubles with ipw3945 and kernel .22?
15:17<gass>in the previous kernel (etch's kernel) everything was fine
15:17<george>gass: (guessing here) you?
15:17<gass>now ipw3945d does not start
15:17<george>why not go back to the kernel that works
15:17<gass>george, i have
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15:18<gass>george, because i want to know if this problem is detected and help to fix it
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15:18<dli>george, you reinstalled ipw3945, ipw3945-firmware and ipw3945d?
15:18<george>ok, howbout checking the debian bug tracking system
15:18<dli>gass, , you reinstalled ipw3945, ipw3945-firmware and ipw3945d?
15:19<gass>dli, reinstlled no
15:19<gass>just upgraded the kernel and the module
15:19<george>does the module insert?
15:19<gass>module and firmware seems ok
15:19<gass>ipw3945d does not start
15:19<george>and at that point ifconfig -a sees the interface?
15:20<gass>2007-10-27 21:19:57: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
15:20<gass>george, no, it does not see it
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15:20<gass>dmesg shows the network card
15:20<george>not sure how that part works, so I'm not sure if that's a problem or not
15:20<dli>gass, dmesg|grep -i ipw
15:21<gass>dli, ^^
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15:23<dli>gass, /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart ; dmesg|tail -50
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15:24<george>gass: if you read that paste, you see there are two directly opposing/conflicting statements:
15:24<george>2007-10-27 21:19:57: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
15:25<george>ipw3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
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15:26<gass>george, ipw3945d cannot find the device, but module and firmware are loaded fine
15:26<gass>3 different things
15:26<gass>dli, there is new firmware package, right?
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15:30<george>is the card the same card as before?
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15:30<grasn>someone can tell me how to easy install ATI driver? tehy require packagaes my KDE etch cannot find
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15:32<Wofl>hey guys
15:32<Wofl>got some random wireless issue
15:32<Wofl>it just dies
15:33<Wofl>for no reason
15:33<Wofl>with no error
15:34<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
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15:35<denis_>i know this is a debian channel, but can someone help me out? i have my personal data located at sda1, just installed gutsy, but now i can no longer find the partition in nautilus, the partition editor can see the partition
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15:37<Wofl>what partitions can you find?
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15:38<denis_>i am running ubuntu on sda2, i can see sda1 and swap
15:39<Wofl>you can see sda1?
15:39<denis_>with qparted yes, not in nautilus
15:40<Wofl>well, try mounting it
15:40<Wofl>mount /dev/sda1 /<mountpoint>
15:40<Wofl>run as sudo
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15:44<gass>george, sorry for the sleep ... yes, it is the same card
15:45<gass>dli, ??
15:45<dli>gass, you didn't paste the error message for ipw3945d
15:46<gass>dli, yes i did:
15:47<gass>i told you before ... but that's ok ... cn you look now, please?
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15:51<dli>gass, I don't see ipw messages in dmesg, try again from "rmmod ipw3945"
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15:51<gass>dli, rmmod went fine
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15:57<george>gass: one thing that may be interfering with the communication between yourself and dli, he can't see your screen and he's giving you detailed instructions (or at least referring to them)
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15:58<george>what you might want to do is say in MUCH more detail what your status is...
15:58<dli>gass, I mean "start from"
15:58<gass>george, i said, above: dli,
15:58<george>otherwise the interaction will not produce any useful results
15:59<gass>george, stop the crap
15:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
15:59<gass>dli, rmmod ipw3945; dmesg | tail -50 ?
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16:00<gass>i started by saying kernel version, problem encountered, when problem was not present
16:00<gass>and waited
16:00<gass>so ... thank you for all your help
16:00<george>gass: you're not effectively communicating, period... you're not reporting your status
16:00<gass>i am
16:00<gass>i don't know what to do to debug this
16:00<george>he asked you to start over from a specific place
16:01<gass>i am following the steps you say
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16:01<george>this was -after- you did the paste
16:01<gass>he said to start from the rmmod
16:01<gass>rmmod went fine, module was loaded
16:01<gass>then i tryied ipw3945d restart
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16:02<gass>module is loaded
16:02<gass>firmware is loaded, but ipw3945d fails
16:02<george>so you did try it again and did get the same (bad) results as before
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16:03<george>thanks for letting us know that
16:03<gass> <--- paste from the end of /etc/init.d/ipw3945d restart; dmesg tail -50, and the lsmod ...
16:03<gass>before that i executed an rmmod
16:04<george>that much looks good
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16:05<george>dmesg tail -50?
16:05<gass>george, sorry dmesg | tail -50
16:05<gass>but ipw3945d does not run. if i execute /sbin/ipw3945d is says
16:06<gass>Copyright (C) 2005-2006 Intel Corporation. All rights reserved.
16:06<gass>version: 1.7.22
16:06<gass>2007-10-27 22:05:55: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
16:06<gass>sorry for the paste
16:06<george>ok, and so could you webpaste the result of the dmesg | tail -50
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16:08<george>(the new result that is)
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16:11<lontra>how do i set up my time properly? my windows partition is set to 3:11 (the correct time) while debian is set to 10:11
16:11<jagerman>lontra: Go look in /etc/default/rcS and change "UTC=yes" to "UTC=no"
16:11<witte>lontra: tzconfig and ntpdate
16:12<lontra>UTC is already set to no
16:12<jagerman>Does the date command show the correct timezone?
16:12<lontra>jagerman: yup
16:12<lontra>jagerman: but the wrong time
16:13<george>which is what timezone?
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16:13<george>central daylight time? you mean UTC-5?
16:13<lontra>er ... i believe so ...
16:13<lontra>so should i change that to Y?
16:13<george>so you're maybe in denver or like that?
16:13<lontra>cause it thinks UTC is 3:11?
16:14<lontra>well minneapolis
16:14<jagerman>What does date -u give you?
16:14<lontra>Sat Oct 27 15:14:08 UTC 2007
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16:16<ptr>hi, folks
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16:16<jagerman>lontra: That *sounds* like a UTC=yes sort of problem
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16:17<lontra>it says UTC=no though
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16:21<george>maybe looking at the actual stored hwclock value could point at something
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16:23<gass>dli, george sorry for the lag:
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16:24<george>ok, so it looks like the dmesg output doesn't have any of the daemon output...
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16:25<gass>george, no ...
16:25<gass>the daemon is started in the init with the quiet flag ... --quiet
16:25<george>the thing is if you start the daemon and then run it in the foreground, wouldn't you have two running at least for a time?
16:25<gass>because it fails
16:26<gass> ps aux | grep ipw
16:26<gass>root 10817 0.0 0.0 3052 736 pts/1 S+ 22:26 0:00 grep ipw
16:26<george>wonder if we can get it to be more verbose
16:27<george>and do so into some log file (I guess it would go to /var/log/daemon.log?)
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16:27<gass>we can specify the log file, but it is empty
16:27<gass>george, /var/log/ipw3945d/ipw3945d.log
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16:28<gass>/sbin/ipw3945d --log-file=/tmp/ipw.log ... this file is empty
16:28<george>gass: is there a man page for ipw3945d?
16:29<Gamma>hey does anyone here use ktorrent?
16:29<Gamma>how do i change the preview program
16:29<gass>george, do you want to know the options?
16:29<george>ok, you mentioned --quiet... howbout this: could you paste the init file?
16:30<george>I want to see what --quiet is being fed to
16:31<gass>no george
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16:32<george>ok, --quiet is being fed to start-stop-daemon
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16:35<george>howbout taking --quiet out of there and see what you get when you stop then start it by the init file
16:35<george>you don't need to rmmod the module that I know of at this point... it's clear the module inserts properly
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16:37<rSp>hi debian fan
16:37<jagerman>Does Vista support a UTC clock?
16:37<rSp>i neeed something to show debian power
16:38<george>rSp: then learn the bash shell
16:38<lontra>jagerman: i don't know
16:38<george>and -know- debian power
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16:38<rSp>i have fight with my friend abut slackware vs debian and bsd
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16:38<george>oh, there's no fight there, they can all run bash shell
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16:38<debiannewbie>question, i am using etch/gnome, i want to try out the 915 resolution, its says to run the tool before launching X, my problem is, X launches automatically at when i boot, how can i change the boot so x doesnt automatically launch ?
16:38<george>stop fighting
16:39<george>let him do what he wants
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16:39<rSp>this fight is very important
16:39<george>no it isn't :P
16:39<rSp>because this fight to choise os for server :d
16:39<jagerman>rSp: Well, find out who can install gnome in the smallest amount of time :)
16:40<jagerman>Oh Christ, you aren't serious?
16:40<rSp>why ?
16:40<george>howbout this: he who can piss the furthest gets to choose the os
16:41<jagerman>rSp: Debian makes a far better server OS than slackware.
16:41<jagerman>rSp: It has many more developers (i.e. slackware has 1) working on security updates, making sure things work consistently, etc.
16:41<rSp>in know debian is ONE
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16:41<jagerman>Slackware is basically what's-his-name's personal system in .tgz files.
16:42<jagerman>Could be.
16:42<jagerman>Patrick something, I think.
16:42<gass>george, the --quiet removal will get you that error ... from ipw3945d
16:42<mxey>gass: yes.
16:43<mxey>eh.. george I meant.
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16:43<gass>debhelper, 915resolution will start and set things at boot, automatically
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16:44<gass>debiannewbie, , 915resolution will start and set things at boot, automatically
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16:44<witte>gass: are you trying to teach dpkg something?
16:45<gass>witte, lol ... yes ... lol
16:45<witte>oops, there is a debiannewbie
16:45<jagerman>I thought dpkg already knew everything ;)
16:45<gass>yes, there is ...
16:45<witte>but it was quite some time ago, did not see it in my window
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16:45<gass>witte, he asked about the use of 915resolution packge
16:45<witte>!hail dpkg
16:47<witte>gass, yeah, i scrolled back, but i did that before as well, but appereantly not far enough :P
16:48<debiannewbie>gass, thanks
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16:56<Supaplex>does imapsync delete files in the opposite host when they are deleted?
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17:05<dartagnan>hi there. can you tell me in which package i can find the "strings" command ?
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17:07<george>dartagnan: what kind of thing would "strings" operate on
17:07<dartagnan>binary files
17:07<george>try binutils
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17:08<dli>!tell dartagnan about search
17:10<dartagnan>yes i know, but i did a apt-cache search strings and could not find it
17:10<dartagnan>dpkg -S only works on installed package
17:10<dpkg>You Fool! only works on installed package is installed!
17:10<george>apt-file might have found it
17:11<george>dpkg: well well well... your brain finally is gumbyized
17:11<dpkg>that's too long, george
17:11<george>that's what she said...
17:11<dartagnan>looks like an interesting command
17:12<george>some are unsure apt-file is any better than going to
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17:13<dli>dartagnan, apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo
17:13<dartagnan>already done :)
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17:15<dartagnan>pretty slow on my old p2
17:15<grasn>someone can tell me how to easy install ATI driver? tehy require packagaes my KDE etch cannot find
17:15<dli>!tell grasn about fglrx
17:15<george>probably you have to add non-free and contrib
17:16<dli>dartagnan, if you are luck enough
17:16<george>to your sources.list
17:16<dli>!tell grasn about radeon
17:16<dartagnan>wow 2.000.000+ lines index
17:17<george>dartagnan: that's another reason to prefer
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17:18<dartagnan>but listing a package content without installing it is cool
17:19<grasn>dli, can u tell me how to run the installation script?
17:19<grasn>i dunno how to execute the file
17:19<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>.
17:20<dli>grasn, mostly, there's no suck "run script" thing, just follow the instructions
17:20<grasn>isnt the fglrx-driver a script?
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17:21<grasn>theres no instruction only a script i see
17:21<dli>!tell grasn about rtfm
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17:24<grasn>dli, thx
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17:45<grasn>how can i get windows media player 9 codec?
17:46<dli>!tell grasn about d-m
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17:48<witte>grasn: and the codecs are in the w32codecs package, listed in the location dli pointed you to
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17:53<grasn>thanks it works
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18:16<ccg>what package includes the fglrx driver (ati radeon 9600) for X11 ?
18:16<chealer>ccg: do you have non-free/contrib sources?
18:17<ccg>prolly not, its a fresh install, gotta check
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18:18<ccg>chealer what package would i need to install from those sources ?
18:18<chealer>ccg: it should be easy to search and find it once you have them
18:18<ccg>ok thx
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18:20<ccg> is there a spanish debian channel ?
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18:20<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:29<george>my nvidia sound chipset likes to put a loud high-pitch tone over everything :/
18:29<george>fucking hurts my ears
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18:29<leaveone>!tell leaveone about d-m
18:29<leandro>my name is leandro
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18:30<jagerman>That much is obvious
18:30<mikkie>hello people
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18:30<mikkie>i try to set root password - could you help?
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18:30<gpm>as root
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18:30<mikkie>the problem is i cant get in as root
18:31<gpm>why not?
18:31<Novato>how size for swap?
18:31<george>mikkie: is this your box
18:31<gpm>why can't you log in as root?
18:31<mikkie>but it is preinstalled
18:31<gpm>from where?
18:31<jagerman>mikkie: Can you use sudo passwd?
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18:31<azeem>george: pre installed
18:31[~]gpm is betting on ubuntu
18:31<mikkie>for sudo ... also need root password
18:32<gpm>well then you're screwed
18:32<jagerman>No, sudo takes your own password.
18:32<george>azeem: yes I know the words :P
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18:32<george>I'm trying to get him to elaborate
18:32<gpm>if you can't use sudo and you can't log in as root...i don't know of any other way to change the root password
18:33<jagerman>That's, um, rather intentional.
18:33<mikkie>aron is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
18:33<mikkie>bash$ sendmail: fatal: chdir /var/spool/postfix: No such file or directory
18:33<gpm>who installed your os?
18:33<azeem>!i forgot root's password
18:33<dpkg>1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
18:33<jagerman>Boot a bootable linux CD, mount your drive, run passwd
18:34<gpm>plextor installs linux? cool
18:34<mikkie>yeah - on his products
18:34<george>I thought plextor had some problem with linux
18:34<mikkie>thats right
18:34<gpm>well, what azeem said should work
18:35<mikkie>they shout down the telnet etc
18:35<gpm>or rather, what dpkg said
18:35<george>mikkie: you should have gotten a manual with the device
18:35<mikkie>but i found something on the net to install telnet
18:35<george>have you read it?
18:35<azeem>george: why do you think Plextor would hand out the root password of their appliance?
18:35<mikkie>george: are you kidding
18:35<azeem>it's a NAS device, it's not supposed to be changed by the user I guess
18:36<mikkie>azeem: thats the problem
18:36<azeem>mikkie: so reinstall Debian over it
18:36<mikkie>azeem: yeah - they sell NAS with FTP... but only one-User-Access
18:36<mikkie>thats bullsh
18:36<george>mikkie: of course not. you don't have a problem with reading... else you wouldn't understand this channel
18:36<mikkie>so i try to manage that myself
18:36<jagerman>NAS using a single IDE drive?
18:37<azeem>george: please stop being condescending
18:37<jagerman>Sounds like, um, cheap NAS :)
18:37<jagerman>NASty perhaps :)
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18:37<george>azeem: the point is he is not broken
18:37<azeem>that's not the point you made earlier
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18:38<jagerman>mikkie: Does this have anything to do with Debian?
18:38<azeem>jagerman: it appears to run Debian, albeit locked down
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18:38<azeem>he wants to unlock it
18:38<mikkie>there is a possibility to make updates (as i updated telnet - which was installed by a .SH-script i found in the internet)
18:39<jagerman>It appears to have some sort of "administrator" account
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18:39<mikkie>maybe you can help me make a script to set root-password?
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18:39<azeem>mikkie: in any case, this is a non-standard installation we cannot help you with
18:39<azeem>mikkie: see what dpkg wrote above
18:39<azeem>mikkie: and/or check the internet, maybe you can reinstall debian over it as with other NAS-devices
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18:40<jagerman>Why can this thing only manage 94.5Mbps?
18:40<grasn>how i configure X to start the ATI driver i just installed?
18:41<thedonvaughn>grasn: aticonfig --initial
18:41<grasn>grr it says no command
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18:41<grasn>how can i check if its installed correctly
18:41<mikkie>how can i check version of debian?
18:41<thedonvaughn>how did u install it?
18:41<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
18:41<thedonvaughn>mike: /etc/debian_version i believe
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18:41<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a
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18:42<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
18:42<gikid>Is there any way to get vnc to work on my local display?
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18:43<grasn>thedonvaughn, i used "sh ati-*.run --buildpkg Debian/sarge" then "m-a prepare; m-a update; m-a a-i fglrx"
18:43<mikkie>no such file there
18:43<george>is there a dir /var/lib/dpkg
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18:44<thedonvaughn>grasn: hrm, quite honestly have never done it 'the debian way' with anything older than lenny. even though it's not the prefered, i just installed ati's driver using ati's installer, not creating a package and not creating m-a. btw, use && instead of ';' when u issue that command. are you sure there were no errors?
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18:45<mikkie>no "/var/lib/dpkg"
18:45<grasn>i saw no errors. i wanted to use the ati run installer, but i need packagaes i cannot find with etch
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18:45<azeem>mikkie: so why do you think this is Debian?
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18:46<mikkie>because I have had an alternative system before - but not running fine which was debian (i thought that this is debian too)
18:46<thedonvaughn>grasn: after you run the "sh ati" line doesn't it create a .dpkg? did you dpkg -i ./file.dpkg ?
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18:47<grasn>oh, yes i tried dpkg. it gave me an error
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18:47<gikid>Ugh. anyone know?
18:47<azeem>mikkie: what does "dpkg -l" say?
18:47<gikid>I really don't want to have to go to freenode :(
18:47<thedonvaughn>grasn: well that's probably the important key piece of information as to why it's not working :)
18:47<azeem>gikid: then try to ask a more specific question
18:47<streuner>gikid: why not?
18:47<mikkie>"no such command found"
18:47<grasn>sec, i show u the error ok?
18:47<azeem>mikkie: so no debian
18:47<gikid>streuner, they are uh........
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18:47<thedonvaughn>gikid: or don't rely on irc to walk you through setting up something that is documented heavily on the web? :)
18:48<mikkie>but .sh- scripts are the same in linux?
18:48<gikid>thedonvaughn, well
18:48<gikid>I couldn't find anything that worked
18:48<gikid>i know how to set up VNC
18:48<gikid>but getting it to display the local display
18:49<gikid>there is xf2vnc
18:49<gikid>but it didn't work
18:49<gikid>and i'm not reinstalling X
18:49<mikkie>could you tell me how should a look like to change root pass (if root is loged in)
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18:50<mikkie>started by root himself?
18:50<george>how would you go about running that script as root
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18:50<azeem>mikkie: please ask elsewhere
18:51<jagerman>mikkie: passwd
18:51<mikkie>there is a update function in the webfrontend
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18:51<simonrvn>i highly doubt that's even debian...
18:51<mikkie>this update is managed by sh-scripts which are running from root account
18:52<gpm>i'd just reinstall
18:52<streuner>simonrvn: /var/lib/dpkg doesnt exist...
18:52<mikkie>so if i push there a file which would change the password for root
18:52<simonrvn>go to your distro's channel please
18:52<azeem>mikkie: I'm not sure why you keep insisting on getting support for you non-debian system here
18:52<mikkie>i could get in
18:53<azeem>mikkie: please ask the vendor, or whoever else supports your system, we do not
18:53<mikkie>i just ask for help - not support
18:53<weasel>mikkie: this is the wrong channel.
18:53<mikkie>as a poor human beeing
18:53<azeem>mikkie: well, and we ask you to ask elsewhere
18:54<azeem>mikkie: if somebody reads this in scrollback and wants to help you privately, fine
18:54<azeem>otherwise, please drop it now
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18:56<jagerman>mikkie: You wouldn't have access to write any of the scripts being run, so that wouldn't help.
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19:05<george>I'm trying to find where there was any indication that plextor thing had debian... all I found was a suggestion to install debian over it
19:06<mikkie>george - how?
19:06<azeem>mikkie, george: take this elsewhere
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19:06<george>by reading the scrollback
19:06<george>I'm not helping him, I'm just trying to find out, in fact why -you- thought it was
19:06<grasn>how do i update xorg on etch
19:07<mikkie>azeem ... du stinks
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19:07<azeem>mikkie: please try to keep it ontopic
19:07<azeem>you've been silenced for 10 minutes
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19:07<azeem>grasn: why do you need it updated?
19:07<azeem>grasn: do you have the security repository activated?
19:08<grasn>i want to install ATI driver and it says a error for my xorg version
19:08<grasn>i dont know if its activated
19:08<azeem>grasn: install the etch ati driver
19:08<grasn>from ati website?
19:09<azeem>from debian
19:09<grasn>where i get it
19:09<azeem>never install anything from the ati website
19:09<grasn>ok, i instakked from
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19:09<azeem>grasn: activate non-free, apt-cache search fglrx
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19:10<grasn>xserver-xorg-video-ati - X.Org X server -- ATI display driver
19:10<grasn>fglrx-kernel-src - Kernel module source for the ATI graphics accelerators
19:10<grasn>fglrx-amdcccle - Catalyst Control Center for the ATI graphics accelerators
19:10<azeem>grasn: ask tarzeau on #debian/freenode about thata
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19:13<george>about high-pitched tone from earlier...
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19:13<george>this is my sound hw: 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
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19:14<george>any reason I'd be getting this tone? it's very loud
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19:17[~]jagerman wonders what mikkie did to deserve that
19:17<@Ganneff>trolling multiple chans
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19:22<george>is snd_hda_intel the right driver for my chipset?
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19:23<witte>george: i usually let alsaconf deal with the configuration of my sound driver (i was not following, maybe someone else already proposed this)
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19:24<george>witte: that's what it picked; the problem is I get a hi pitched tone that is very loud over everything I've played so far (a coupla mp3s)
19:25<george>which is the reason I'm asking if the driver is the exact right one
19:25<george>nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
19:26<bepla>Hi! I'm trying to install xen on lenny... I see no linux-image-2.6.22-xen package in repositories...
19:26<george>a look for earlier kernels find anything?
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19:27<bepla>george: no
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19:29<george>btw what is linux-kbuild-2.6 for?
19:31<george>hmm, you're right, the latest kernel in the repo is 2.6.18-5
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19:35<bepla>Ok, googled a bit and found that -xen linux image builds miss since 2.6.20...
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19:41<witte>bepla: maybe xen is in the kernel since 2.6.21?
19:42<witte>bepla: don't know, but I know that there were/are plans to put it in, just don't know when?
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19:43<domabr>'lo all
19:43<bepla>witte: seems that some xen support options are in kernel but nothing allowing to define dom0
19:43<bzed>bepla: first parts of xen are in 2.6.23
19:44<witte>bepla: I virtually know nothing about xen, so I have no idea :-)
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19:44<george>I'm running xen-3.1 now
19:44<bzed>bepla: you're stuck with 2.6.18 at the moment
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19:44<george>if you want 3.1...
19:44<bepla>bzed: ok
19:45<george>you have to ut this in sources.list
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19:45<george>deb all main
19:45<bepla>george: which kernel version do you run please?
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19:46<george>but there appears to be some xen kernel images such as...
19:47<azeem>george: that isn't an official repository
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19:48<george>waldi gave it to me himself
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19:48<azeem>that doesn't make it any more official
19:48<george>is there some kind of problem with that?
19:49<bepla>Yes, using 2.6.18 make me think that it would be more efficient to directly install from etch...
19:49<azeem>george: it's not thoroughly tested?
19:49<george>well we could warn him
19:49<azeem>who is him
19:49<george>after that it's his choice
19:50<azeem>that's the least you should do if you advertise unofficial repos, yes
19:50<datura>adjusting mointor settings like pincussion or diagonal? i looked on google a lilbit found nothing
19:50<datura>and help
19:50<george>hmm, the 2.6.23 images are tagged as experimental
19:50<bepla>Thank you all, afk installing etch on the server ;)
19:50<george>umm wait
19:51<azeem>xen is a pretty typical server application, what do you expect
19:51<bepla>george: ?
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19:51<lupine_85>it works pretty well on quad opterons
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19:52<azeem>bepla: you said you wanted to install lenny initially - that's a pretty bad idea for a sever
19:52<bzed>bepla: etch is your friend :)
19:52<george>bepla: ok... first off...
19:52<george>there is xen-3.0.3-1 for etch
19:52<datura>could someone tell me what progam i use to adjust my monitor settings? i'm having trouble finding it.
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19:53<azeem>datura: doesn't your monitor have an on-screen menu for that?
19:53<george>in the official repos afaicr
19:53<datura>:) no its a powerpcimac.
19:53<azeem>datura: that's some valuable information you could have added directly
19:53<bepla>george: oh, good to know...
19:53<george>it seems to work fine, but is more limited as to what you can run as domUs
19:54<datura>besides if it was that easy i wouldn't of asked...
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19:54<george>theres that command to see what archs/capabilities it has but I don't remember it
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19:55<datura>azeem: do you have any program sugestions or should i just search on synaptic?
19:55<bepla>george: It should be possible to install xen 3.1 from source on etch using 2.6.18-xen kernel isn't it?
19:56<george>well see I'm running waldi's build of that exact thing at the repo I gave earlier
19:57<george>to do that you have to back out patches by version number, reapply, and basically do a lotta crap to get the source right
19:58<bepla>george: I thought you run lenny xen package with a backported kernel from that repository...
19:58<george>but waldi has it right already, or seems to since he has images
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19:58<george>no I run etch with said backported kernel meant to run on etch
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20:03<bepla>george: ok, i think I finally understand ;) thank you!
20:03<george>so if you run etch you could try those kernels... be warned they might not be well enough tested; since this is a kernel this means things like "back up every hd you have in that box FIRST"
20:03<george>or at least tell us you don't care about the data
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20:04<bepla>george: I think I will install from sources and buil kernel myself using oldconf from official packages
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20:05<george>eep... good luck :)
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20:05<george>I applied the xen patch to the kernel... and there were several failed hunks
20:06<george>for each failed hunks, I checked the source only to find the change was already there
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20:06<george>but I gave up on my build when waldi pointed me at these images...
20:08<bepla>george: If it make me loose too much time, I will do so :D
20:08<george>one thing I found that it could not do, is run an amd64 dom0 and expect a 686/i386 domU to load modules (got "runaway loop modprobe binfmt-434c"
20:08<george>which I suspect is the first module debian tries to load on boot
20:09<george>then got something from waldi that sounded like "gotta wait for xen-3.2 for that"
20:10<bepla>Do waldi linux images use initrd?
20:10<george>well waldi is on the debian kernel maint team
20:10<george>I think he is anyway
20:12<george>he might also be involved with the linux kernel team in some way
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20:27<Aleric>Does anyone know how to convert vobsubs to .srt in debian?
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20:32<george>Aleric: what are each?
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20:36<witte>Aleric: subtitleripper from debian-multimedia?
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20:38<jorge>does the ntfs module provide reliable readwrite support ?
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20:39<_mark>Anyone here noticed that on the last "unstable" upgrade that "aptitude" was removed????
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20:42<witte>jorge: you should have a look at ntfs-3g
20:42<dpkg>it has been said that ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at, backport instructions at
20:42<witte>I have no idea how reliable it is
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20:44<witte>_mark: I have the impression that the entire apt three is renewed, apt-file is also broken
20:45<chealer>!tell _mark about ep
20:45<chealer>jorge: no
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20:46<_mark>witte, that's interesting... I have had a lot of systems issues since the last major upgrade about a week or so ago. Wonder what's going on with the apt tree?
20:47<_mark>chealer, what's the ep?
20:47<witte>_mark: just a new version i guess, and if you are running unstable, those things happen
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21:02<debianub>hi everyone
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21:02<debianub>i'm trying to install Debian on a machine
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21:03<debianub>I half this "Detect and mount CD-ROM" problem
21:03<debianub>I'm running the netinstall Debian off of a CD in my combo CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive
21:03<debianub>After choosing my locale, I get to the CD detect screen
21:03<debianub>It takes about 5 minutes to get to an error:
21:04<debianub>"No common CD-ROM drive was detected"
21:04<debianub>Any ideas on what could be happening?
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21:04<chealer>debianub: what kind of drive is it?
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21:07<debianub>Just looked inside, looks like a LiteOn LTD 163
21:07<debianub>(163D, sorry)
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21:08<chealer>debianub: how is it connected to the motherboard?
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21:10<debianub>It looks like there's an IDE cable going from the motherboard to a hard drive, and then to the 163D
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21:11<debianub>(it splits off)
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21:12<chealer>debianub: did Linux ever detect the drive on that machine?
21:13<debianub>There was this error, let me remember
21:13<debianub>"Hda: Lost interrupt"
21:13<debianub>That's what it was
21:13<debianub>It did that a few times
21:13<debianub>Before asking me to choose my locale
21:13<eclipse>using debian etch. already have eclipse (ecj). installed eclipse-cdt for c++ ide. when run it says it needs jvm 1.5 or higher. i have sun-java5-jre. what do i need to install?
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21:14<debianub>Looking on google, it seems like "noapic" is a rough solution to this class of problems
21:15<debianub>Is this reasonable? How do I put the installer in "noapic" mode?
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21:19<thor>is there any reason why a samba mount would try to open a server symbolic link on the local drive vs the server side location?
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21:22<debianub>Booting with noapic seemed to fix the problem. :-)
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21:25<debianub>Now I'm setting up this computer to act as a webserver/print server
21:25<debianub>If I want to set up a print server, what I want to look at is CUPS, right?
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21:45<helix>hm, no yoe
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21:49<helix>er, wrong channel, I guess what's why ;)
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22:28<simonrvn>server kept telling me chan was full..
22:29<ameyer_>I sense a disturbance in the force...
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22:29<simonrvn>same for freenode
22:29<debianub>Hi all, I've just successfully installed Debian.
22:29<debianub>It's connected to the internet, and I want to connect my printer to it.
22:29<ameyer>I think the entire internet just split
22:29<debianub>The printer is an HP Laserjet 4m.
22:30<simonrvn>ameyer: probably buncha routers somewhere...
22:30<debianub>I have a serial cable (DB25) going from the printer to my computer.
22:30<debianub>I'm not sure how to make the computer print to it, however.
22:30<debianub>Can someone tell me how to do this?
22:30<datura>hey guys, i'm new and found a good resource maybe a worthy portion of you might like...
22:30<datura>Second One
22:31<lupine>debianub: you need to let cups know about the printer
22:31<debianub>Is CUPS running automatically?
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22:31<lupine>should be
22:32<lupine>erm, localhost:631
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22:32<lupine>or use the gnome/kde control panel frontends
22:32<debianub>Ok, it looks like I can telnet to localhost:631
22:32[~]ameyer looks at
22:32<debianub>How do I add the printer to CUPS?
22:32<lupine>it's a HTTP server
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22:33<lupine>so GET /
22:33<debianub>WOW, EXCELLENT!
22:33<ameyer>looks like global crossing depeered with NTT, level3, and cogent
22:33<debianub>What a smart decision :-D
22:33<lupine>ameyer: guess that explains freenode's split?
22:34<jagerman>"Aw, it's a Saturday night, no one except IRC geeks will notice." :)
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22:34<jorge>how do i find out what kernel version i am on ?
22:34<jagerman>uname -a
22:34<jagerman>Or -r
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22:35<debianub>Now, I'm on a screen: "Device: "
22:35<debianub>I have a bunch of options
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22:35<debianub>AppSocket, Backend, hp no_device found, HTTP, IPP, LPD/LPR, LPT #1/ Parallel port 1 (CANNON), Parallel Port 1 (EPSON)
22:35<debianub>Which do I choose?
22:35<jagerman>debianub: Are you using GNOME? It might be a bit simpler to use GNOME's built-in printer configuration.
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22:36<debianub>I'm not sure. It has a foot in the top left corner
22:36<lupine>oh noes :D
22:36<debianub>Does that mean it's GNOME?
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22:36<jagerman>debianub: Yup.
22:36<jagerman>debianub: Go to foot -> System -> Administration -> Printing
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22:37<debianub>I'm in this "foomatic" program, is that right?
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22:39<jagerman>Um, I forget.
22:39<debianub>Ah okay, "printing" was under "Desktop"
22:39<jagerman>Oh, I guess it's moved between then and whatever I'm using from unstable.
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22:42<debianub>Hm, ok, I'm having trouble with this printing.
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22:42<debianub>I have added a printer, and tried to print a test page
22:42<debianub>But nothing is happening on the printer.
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22:50<debianub>Any ideas?
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22:59<averna>Hi, I'm wanting to install a game. I've extracted it but there are still parts in boxes. I'm trying to use the terminal and am trying to cd to the right directory but I'm not sure of the syntax or the proper command.
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23:00<dpkg>Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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23:00<simonrvn>averna: ^^^
23:01<dli>!tell averna about ask
23:02<averna>I'll look. I'm having a hard time locating the right how-to's and a hard time making sense of many of them.
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23:03<averna>yes, I've only used the irc for straight chatting.
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23:05<debianub>Hi, I'm trying to get printing to work in Debian and I think I made a fundamental error.
23:05<debianub>I connected the "Serial" port of my printer to the "Printer" port of my motherboard
23:05<debianub>It has 25 pins, and fits the connector just fine.
23:05<debianub>But is this correct?
23:06<lupine_nx>that depends on what the printer port is. It's entirely possibly (and rather likely) that it's a parallel port....
23:06<dli>debianub, I think RS-232 has 9 pins
23:06<lupine_nx>dli: you can get 25-pin variants
23:07<debianub>RS-232 can operate over 25-pin and 9-pin connectors, right?
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23:08<dli>debianub, I guess it still won't damage anything :)
23:08<debianub>The "printer port" on the computer is parallel, however?
23:08<debianub>And should be connected to the parallel port on the printer?
23:09<dli>debhelper, yes
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23:11[~]Vyzl_- test
23:11<Supaplex>hi Vyzl_-
23:11<Vyzl_->hi Supaplex
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23:13<Larks>whey selecting memtest86 in grub, I get Error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory
23:13<dli>Larks, try to reinstall memtest86 and try again
23:13<Larks>sure, but I just installed it. Ill go try quick though.
23:14<Supaplex>Larks: 640kb *use* to be enough for anyone. upgrade now. ;)
23:14<debianub>yayy!!!!! it works!!!!!!!!!
23:14<debianub>thanks for your help. :-)
23:14<jagerman>Hey, my dad had to upgrade the computer with big panels on the side (the second one needed it's own AC/DC converter) to upgrade to 640KB.
23:15<jagerman>If you forgot to plug in the converter, you only got 256KB
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23:19<debianub>How do I see my IP address in Debian?
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23:19<lupine_nx>debianub: ifconfig -a
23:19<lupine_nx>or ip addr show
23:19<debianub>No ifconfig
23:19<gsimmons_>Larks: I think you're hitting bug #414739. The workaround is to boot memtest86/memtest86+ from a floppy.
23:20<lupine_nx>debianub: ifconfig is in root's path, but not user's, by default
23:20<Larks>no floppy, but thanks ;)
23:21[~]lupine_nx prefers "ip", as it's newer and shinier :D
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23:22<debianub>Can somebody explain to me why I can do localhost:631 in a browser, but not
23:22<lupine_nx>debianub: because localhost ==, not
23:23<debianub>However, is the address of the machine
23:23<lupine_nx>netstat -lnt to see what IPs your services are bound to
23:23<lupine_nx>debianub: no, it's on of the IPs your machine has
23:23<debianub>I can access the web page served by apache with that IP
23:23<lupine_nx>cups is bound to; apache to 192.*
23:23<debianub>So I can't access CUPS from another machine?
23:23<debianub>(the config page?)
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23:23<lupine_nx>Not by default
23:24<lupine_nx>I'm sure you can force it to bind to an external IP if you try hard enough
23:24<debianub>I gotcha.
23:24<debianub>Now, I have Debian up and running, and CUPS is up and running, and apparently printing works.
23:24<debianub>I want to print from another computer.
23:25<debianub>How do I configure the other computer to send the job to the CUPS server running on this newly installed Debian machine?
23:25<Larks>I can't even reinstall... on an apt-get install (anything) I get apt-get[3451]: segfault at 00002b2c7ccbc000 rip 00002b267c345d0d rsp 0007fff2e8b96a0 error 4 Segmentation fault
23:25<Larks>I did, rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin
23:26<Larks>then apt-get clean all
23:26<Larks>and then apt-get update
23:26<Larks>and still same thing.
23:26<lupine_nx>RAM corruption, or are you overclocking?
23:26<lupine_nx>try getting gcc to compile something big, see if that works
23:27<debianub>When I try to add this printer on Mac OS X, what I get is: "Network host is busy"
23:27<Larks>lupine_nx: are you asking me to compile with gcc?
23:27<debianub>This is using "IPP"
23:27<lupine_nx>Larks: yep.
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23:27<lupine_nx>gcc is a great stress tester
23:28<Larks>so you think this is a ram problem?
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23:28<Supaplex>!blame HP
23:28[~]dpkg blames graytron and HP for all the evil in the world
23:28<lupine_nx>it's one possibility
23:28<dli>Larks, could be apt problem also
23:28<lupine_nx>you could also check the 'stress' package in apt.. assuming you can install it :D
23:28<Larks>this system has been flaky since I built it.
23:28<Larks>I have it installed already
23:28<dli>Larks, try memtest86
23:28<lupine_nx>mm. it really stinks of hardwake flake to me
23:29<Larks>thats why I was trying to use memtest86 to debug
23:29<Larks>can't even get that to work.
23:29<Larks>Just got a "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#2"
23:30<Larks>system non responsive now.
23:30<dli>Larks, you don't need apt to install memtest86
23:30<dli>Larks, you can burn ISO from
23:30<Larks>dli: memtest86 won't load into memory, and no floppy
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23:30<Larks>ill try that
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23:32<mohkohn>good morning. I managed to compile a kernel yesterday and install it.
23:32<mohkohn>However when I booted it I got the following error:
23:32<Larks>I got a call trace on the crash, but don't know what anything means.
23:32<mohkohn>"Begin waiting for a root file system"
23:33<Larks>make sure you installed initrd ready?
23:33<mohkohn>Is this likely to be the solution for me:
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23:35<Larks>will memtest86 iso boot on amd64 machine?
23:37<Supaplex>it should
23:37<Supaplex>better but more obvious question, will amd64 support x86? well yeah...
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23:40<mohkohn>In xchat what does a red line mean? Does it mean you have dropped out?
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23:42<Larks>When booting from memtest iso, I get "Loading....................." and nothing ever happends.
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23:43<debianub>Can somebody help me? I have set up CUPS to connect to a printer on my newly installed Debian machine, and now I want to make the printer available to anyone on the network.
23:43<debianub>I'm not sure how to do this.
23:43<Larks>does memtest iso support sata drives?
23:43<dli>Larks, it goes as far as "Loading...", try to swap memory chips
23:44<Larks>okie dokie
23:44<Larks>debianub: I think you need to share the printer through something like samba
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23:45<Larks>debianub: you access cups admin through your browswer at http://localhost:631 , if I remember correctly
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23:47<debianub>I can access the CUPS admin page
23:47<dli>debianub, yes, go to printers, and publish
23:47<dli>debianub, then, install cups on the client computers, go to admin, and add printers found
23:48<debianub>It looks like the only option is "Unpublish printer"
23:48<debianub>This means it's published?
23:48<dli>debianub, you have to allow 631/tcp on the server
23:48<dli>debianub, yes
23:48<debianub>So from my other machine (the one I want to print from), I can access in my browser
23:48<debianub>(104 is my Debian machine)
23:49<dli>debianub, better to let cups client to find the printer auto
23:49<debianub>On the machine I want to print from, I have cups-calibrate cupsaddsmb cupstestppd
23:49<debianub>cups-config cupsd
23:50<debianub>(This is a MacBook Pro running Mac OS X)
23:50<dli>debianub, I don't know mac, but I suppose it's the same localhost:631
23:51<debianub>Well, the Debian machine is the one connected to the printer
23:51<debianub>I'm trying to print to it from the mac
23:52<Larks>you have to install the network printer on the mac
23:52<Larks>not sure how you do that.
23:53<debianub>I have two options for the printer protocol: "IPP" and "LPD"
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23:53<Larks>depends how the printer is set up
23:53<Larks>IPP is internet printing protocol
23:53<debianub>Nevermind, whoops! The browser automatically found it.
23:53<debianub>It's working now. Thanks! :-)
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23:55<Larks>gigabyte has teh worst support webpage.
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