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00:05<Larks>Still nothing, stays at Loading.................
00:05<Larks>I swapped modules and tried it, then installed them seperately.
00:05<Larks> I don't think memtest86 can boot from my sata cdrom drive.
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00:13<greenmang0>!free shell account
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00:20<dpkg>it has been said that porn is ...well.... ask me about <pr0n> or `apt-get install pornview` to find it on your hdd
00:20<DanDare>what means "Error 18" while Grub loading?
00:22<Supaplex>!error 18
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00:24<DanDare>"Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS" :/
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00:25<david0991>include iostream =
00:26<david0991>include =xxcrc755
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00:26<david0991>chmod 755 uniti
00:26<david0991>oh shit
00:26<DanDare>it goes now. i installed etch without doing the BIOS HDD auto recognization
00:27<david0991>can some one tell me if this thing is working?
00:28<Supaplex>david0991: no we can't see what you're typing.
00:28<lupine_nx>what who's typing?
00:28<lupine_nx>are you talking to yourself again, Supaplex?
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00:28<Supaplex>lupine_nx: oldie...
00:29<david0991>installed etch
00:29<lupine_nx>brb, cat's on fire
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00:29<david0991>after geting the fire wire to work hardly anything else works
00:30<ameyer>david0991: perhaps it's because your wire is on fire
00:30<david0991>kino opens and willnot close unless dv input is shut down
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00:33<DanDare>do you guys remember that "numeric co-processor" card used in old Socket 7 motherboards?
00:34<lupine_nx>you mean the FPU?
00:34<DanDare>i dunno exactly, the card tha help processor in numeric caslculations or somthing like this
00:34<lupine_nx>that's been onboard the CPU since the early Pentium days
00:34<DanDare>i know, i just installed etch on such old motherboard
00:35<DanDare>question is: is this FPU making inlfuence in the bogomips measure? o.O
00:35<lupine_nx>bogomips is based on the clock speed, so no
00:36<DanDare>but i can expect a better performance using the FPU anyway?
00:36<lupine_nx>well, yes. in floating-point calculations.
00:36<dpkg>rumour has it, bogomips is Bogus Millions of Instructions Per Second - the speed of your computer running an empty loop or not a valid benchmark comparison between different architectures or not a valid benchmark comparison between identical architectures, or `cat /proc/cpuinfo' to see it
00:36<DanDare>ok lupine_nx, thanks
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00:38<mohkohn>I get an error message "Alert /dev/sda4 does not exist"
00:38<DanDare>its not your pen-drive connected?
00:38<DanDare>altought listed on fstab?
00:39<mohkohn>This is on a kernel that I compiled myself.
00:40<mohkohn>my fstab line is: /dev/sda4 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
00:41<DanDare>what´s /dev/sda4 ?
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00:42<mohkohn>and the section of my grub menu list is: root (hd0,3)
00:42<mohkohn>and kernel /boot/vmlinuz- root=/dev/sda4 ro vga=771
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00:43<mohkohn>What could be wrong? I have updated udev
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00:43<DanDare>mohkohn, what is /dev/sda4 ?
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00:44<DanDare>its some removable media?
00:44<david0991>USB media?
00:44<mohkohn>The / partition of my hard drive
00:44<DanDare>sounds like usb media
00:44<mohkohn>usb hard disk
00:45<mohkohn>It is exactly the same in the default kernel
00:45<DanDare>your computer can boot from USB ?
00:45<mohkohn>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda4 ro vga=771
00:45<david0991>I wish this fire wire connected as easy as a usb drive to play dv input
00:45<mohkohn>DanDare, I am using this kernel now
00:45<DanDare>i know a lot
00:46<DanDare>that youre using this kernel now
00:46<mohkohn>the 2.6.18* now
00:46<DanDare>yeah man
00:46<DanDare>but same error
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00:47<mohkohn>No error in the 2.6.18. Only in the 2.6.23
00:47<mohkohn>Everything looks identical
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00:47<DanDare>i think your computer must be able to boot (or at least reconize), usb to you be able to boot from there
00:47[~]DanDare said some obvious thing maybe
00:47<Supaplex>boot to da HEAD
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00:48<david0991>whats wrong with the 2.6.23 kernel
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00:49<mohkohn>david0991, I get "Alert /dev/sda4 does not exist"
00:49<Larks>I'm starting to wonder if my memory is compatable with my motherboard
00:49<mohkohn>When I try to boot
00:49<mohkohn>But I know it exists or I could not be using Xchat with you now.
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00:49<Larks>mb = Gigabyte GA-P35-DQ6, mem= mushkin xp2-8500
00:49<jorge>does anyone know how to fix the bug with gdm freezing up on a radeon 9600 ?
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00:51<Larks>anyone know of a general way to reset bios, like pre POST?
00:51<david0991>jorge check to see if the memory in megabytes listed in the bios set up matches the amount of memory on the card
00:51<david0991>you know the AGP apreture size in bios setup
00:52<Larks>I think I put the wrong value in for memory overvoltage, now I can't even get the computer to boot to POST
00:52<mohkohn>This might be the problem:
00:52<mohkohn>In section 4.5
00:55<david0991>the wrong apreture size is what made my nvidia card ceep freazing up
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00:56<david0991>catch ya all later got to go ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz
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00:57<mohkohn>Actually reading this I think this does not solve the problem I just stops the root shell appearing after the kernel panic
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00:58<s3ptikk3>ca va
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01:03<mohkohn>I see a lot of people on googlw with the "Alert /dev/*da* does not exist" but no solutions. I did update udev.
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01:58<black_13>how do you direct boot up messages to a file
01:59<gsimmons_>!tell black_13 -about bootlogd
01:59<dpkg>somebody said bootlogd was disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg)
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02:04<black_13>gsimmons_, will bootlogd "grab" the output that is going to the console?
02:04<black_13>that is it goes to a file but not to the console
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02:05<dx>I'm back! And what a journey it was!
02:05<dx>14:07:25 up 4 days, 23:46, 1 user, load average: 0.65, 0.79, 0.44
02:05<dx>I <3 Debian
02:05<dx>Running Lenny
02:06<gsimmons_>black_13: Everything sent to /dev/console will be logged to a file. See the bootlogd man page.
02:06<Supaplex> 06:06:48 up 69 days, 6:27, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
02:07<Supaplex>oops. my bad. i forgot how to start my uptime over. *meh* I'll figure that out later.
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02:08[~]Supaplex pats the cute little router
02:09<black_13>Supaplex, thing of a distant future when your router is living watery grey stuff
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02:10<Supaplex>uhsss... ok yeah.
02:11<black_13>Supaplex, may be to young to know about a bad sci-fi "saturn 3"
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02:19<black_13>gsimmons_, funny i dont see bootlogd in package lists
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02:20<gsimmons_>black_13: It's part of 'sysvinit' and 'initscripts'.
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02:24<HolyAvenger2>Hello: Is there an "easy to set up" HTTP file server? I want something like "HFS" (for winXP) but for Debian.
02:24<Xenguy> HolyAvenger2 you mean like a web server ?
02:25<HolyAvenger2>Otherwise, anything that can do that easily is good enough
02:25<HolyAvenger2>not a webserver
02:25<HolyAvenger2>something like
02:25<HolyAvenger2>I drag&drop a file
02:25<HolyAvenger2>and it's accesible via FTP
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02:26<Supaplex>konqueror with sftp://
02:27<HolyAvenger>how do I do that? =p
02:28<HolyAvenger>(I'm on GNOME, btw)
02:28<suiside>HolyAvenger: so what, you can still isntall kde apps
02:30<suiside>HolyAvenger: also, the server software doesn't make anythin draggable or droppable, it entirely depends on the client you use
02:30<HolyAvenger>I know
02:30<HolyAvenger>I'm just looking for something easy to use
02:30<HolyAvenger>To download from my server to my computer
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02:33<suiside>well, if you already are running a sshd you could just scp things over, or then you could set up vsftpd, or proftpd, or if yo insist on a websever apache or lighthttpd, maybe you'll even learn something in the process, would that be so horrible?
02:35<HolyAvenger>I'm looking for this because proftpd is NOT letting me login
02:35<HolyAvenger>It gives me a 530 error
02:36<HolyAvenger>and I've modificed the .conf file so many times already
02:36<HolyAvenger>adding users
02:36<HolyAvenger>creating new users
02:36<HolyAvenger>more users
02:36<HolyAvenger>from ssh
02:36<HolyAvenger>from gui
02:36<HolyAvenger>I've tried EVERYTHING
02:36<HolyAvenger>And I can't get it to work
02:38<HolyAvenger>I'm thinking of going Debian on my computer, too. When you get used to it, working on a console feels faster and easier, dunno why.
02:39<suiside>I'm no fan of proftd myself, with vsftpd everything you'l just need to disable anonymous logins "anonymous_enable=NO", enable login for local users "local_enable=YES", and if you need it, enable write for local users "write_enable=YES", and you're ready to go
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02:40<suiside>gnome has a "connect to a server" tool which you can use to connect, it'll bring up the contents in a nautilus window and it'll be fully drag&droppable
02:42<HolyAvenger>I'll try that, thank you.
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02:50<HolyAvenger>suiside: I might be wrong, but isnt that "connect to a server" tool to CONNECT to a server? I need to SERVE the files.
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02:59<suiside>HolyAvenger: obviously, vsftpds is a SERVER, you'll need something to CONNECT to the SERVER with, and this makes me feel awfully like it's caps lock day all over again
02:59<suiside>*vftpd is
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02:59<suiside>*vsftpd is
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03:33<bharat>hello evryne
03:34<bharat>I recently updated my debian system from a source through ia m seeing a change in my gedit-->preferences-->Fonts and Colors-->
03:35<bharat>instead of COlors I am seeing a Color scheme but I am unable to manage it...Now where can we see the cvolors options in gedit
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03:36<bharat>Also I am unable to see the synaptic package manager
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03:36<bharat>when i am trying to install apt-get install synaptic seeing the following error
03:37<bharat>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
03:37<bharat> synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6-4.4 but it is not installable
03:37<bharat>E: Broken packages
03:37<bharat>Now how to solve this...
03:37<streuner>bharat: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
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03:37<bharat>debsys:/home/bharat# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
03:37<bharat>ii libc6 2.6.1-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
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03:38<streuner>!tell bharat about sid faq
03:38<streuner>read that first
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03:39<bharat>streuner, but i updated froma n unstable source
03:40<streuner>no, you are running unstable/sid NOW
03:40<lupine_nx>"whoops" definitely covers it
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03:45<bharat>streuner, but the manual ur gave...will help me...
03:45<bharat>streuner, what exactly i shud do noew
03:46<fxiny>ok , etch vserver : /etc/vservers/vserver_name/cache symlink pointing to /etc/vservers/.defaults/cachebase/vserver_name is broken
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03:47<fxiny>is it useless or what ?
03:47<bharat>streuner, reinstall synaptic???
03:47<fxiny>according to cloning procedure is not useless but i see no errors while running a vserver
03:47<streuner>bharat: backup data and reinstall Debian
03:48<bharat>streuner, can u give me a good source
03:48<streuner>!d-i bharat
03:48<dpkg>bharat, you want to go to Or (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
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03:49[~]fxiny marks a vserver_tag for Supa ...
03:50<fxiny>plex :)
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05:04<Joris>anyone know anything about xorg/gnome keyboard layout being broken in sid?
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05:36<Nemoder>what about it?
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05:38<graytron>!blame HP
05:38[~]dpkg blames Larks and HP for the end of the world as we know it
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06:19<francesco>good morning.. Does anybody know what should I do to connect to the italian Channel for ubuntu, please?
06:19<w00ter^>Hi, I have an issue with a program, which requires me to have a 32bit version of installed, but i have a AMD64bit based install. Now i recall there is some package u can install for 32bit libs, but i can't remember what its called, does any one know ?
06:20<tiCo_>At least not asking that in a Debian channel, francesco
06:20<francesco>Ok... I'll ask it in a Windows channel..
06:21<avu>francesco: this is quite off topic here. But I'm wearing my nicepants today, so:
06:21<avu>francesco: next time, consider using google perhaps?
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06:21<francesco>ok, thanks.. Forgive me... I use Ubuntu since 24 hourse. So you can understaND..
06:21[~]tiCo_ looks at avus nicepants 8-)
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06:22<avu>francesco: being a gnu/linux newbie doesn't have to make you an internet-newbie..
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06:23<avu>francesco: but let's drop it, you have the information you want and my nicepants are starting to itch
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06:29<gsimmons_>w00ter^: I think you're after 'lib32z1'. Install the 'ia32-libs' package to bring in this and other related packages.
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06:29<w00ter^>aaah ye, thanks gsimmons_, that was what i was looking for! :D
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06:31<debed>anuone there
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06:50<sasha>hi , i ve three version of mplayer/testing in synaptic, and apt-get upgrade don t want to upgrade it (kept back) what is wrong ?
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06:52<dannys_>can pouse the upgrade if yes how?
06:53<sasha>with apt-get or synaptic
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06:53<dannys_>i do now upgrade and i need to do pause how doit that?
06:54<sasha>do you use apt-get upgrade or synaptic ?
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06:54<sasha>simply press ctrl + c if you are still downloading when you ll start it again it wil continue where it stop at
06:55<sasha>but if it is already configuring , better to wait until it finish
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06:55<dannys_>ok ty
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06:57<Alpha1650>hey. i'd like to use debian for a really tiny server/embedded device (64 mb hdd) and i started the installer but it seems that the base system takes more than 64mb. is there any way to get debian running on 64 meg?
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06:59<azeem>Alpha1650: not without some tinkering I guess, or look at emdebian
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07:00<sasha>what is this debian rep for ? deb testing main
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07:00<Alpha1650>azeem: thank you! i'll take a look.
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07:01<gsimmons_>!tell sasha -about dmm
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07:01<sasha>when i use it i have newer version of some prog (ex : mplayer) but apt-get upgrade don t want to upgrade it
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07:01<sasha>shall i add some pinning rules ?
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07:48<Alydis>can anyone walk me through compiling apr/apache to support mysql dbd?
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08:08<kantor>hi, what means the first digit in a program packet version ? for instance: app 1:3.3.1, what represents the first one ?
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08:09<dpkg>epoch is probably the end of an era. For example y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. The unix epoch on 32 bit hardware isn't until Jan 18 2038, by which time we will probably have all migrated to 64 bit architectures. It's also a version number orderer used by the debian packaging software. For example: 2:0.0.0 is a higher version than 9.9.9 by itself.
08:13<dpkg>i guess dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>
08:14<witte>!tell kantor about bot
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08:22<elmor>someone up to the task of helping with some vlan problems?
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08:31<nemesis>ki mi puo aiutare su ubuntu
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08:33<acritchlow>does anyone have experience with openswan vpn?
08:33<acritchlow>on debian
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08:42<godless>I'm experiencing hanging browser windows lately, using iceweasel debian amd64 unstable, hangs (as in non responsive or updating window) the browser while surfing to sites such as etc
08:43<godless>is this a know problem or something of my own doing ?
08:43<mxey>godless: Hanging Iceweasels are not really uncommon.
08:43<godless>uhuh, but all the time ?
08:44<godless>before it would crash once in a blue moon ... now it's whenever I visit one of the more "com" type sites
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08:45<mxey>godless: Overloaded crappy sites cause crappy browers to overload.
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08:47<godless>well loads :(, fails, fails
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08:47<mxey>Use ELinks :P
08:48<scimmiapazza>Do you think that debian unstable is ok for normal use on a laptop?
08:48<witte>scimmiapazza: depends on what you expect
08:48<godless>scimmiapazza ; depending on the definition of ok
08:49<scimmiapazza><godless> XD ok: I can use when I need my laptop.. ..that It hasn't always problems..
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08:50<godless>scimmiapazza ; well if you make it work well and don't mess around then it should be ok, the problem is I personally like to mess around and messing around makes things not ok
08:50<witte>scimmiapazza: it will not have problems always, but there will be moments when you think damn, it does not work anymore after that update of yesterday
08:51<witte>godless: cosign :-)
08:51<witte>I never have problems with my laptop, unless I have to go somewhere and my usb does not work anymore, and I have no internet to do an update :-)
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08:52<chealer_>scimmiapazza: if you have to ask, unstable is not for you.
08:52<scimmiapazza>So..Is testing really "more stable" that unstable?
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08:53<chealer_>scimmiapazza: yes
08:53<godless>:) seconded ... always make sure you have a net connection or a working system before you need it
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08:53<dvs>scimmiapazza: there's a much lower chance of testing breaking
08:54<scimmiapazza><chealer_> I'm a bit tired.. Always the same phrase.. I have understand that.. but With testing there are always problems.. There aren't enought repository!!
08:55<godless>scimmiapazza : hmm repositories should be there for testing (should be almost the same as stable/unstable)
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08:56<fxiny>Supaplex: hey . are you awake ?
08:56<scimmiapazza><godless> I'm talking about unofficial repository.. At the moment there are 1000 repository for ubuntu.. 250 for debian unstable and 2 for testing.. Am I wrong?
08:57<godless>hmm, well if you go to the unofficial repository route then stability is not one of the concerns you should be looking for
08:57<korny|UTF-8>i'm trying to install debian/lenny, the rurrent weekly build. But i get an error message that no kernel modules were found, and that there is probably a mismatch by the kernel used by this version and the kernel available in the archives. what can i do now?
08:57<witte>you are wrong, and not at the right place: this is the official debian channel, not the unofficial
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08:58<godless>me ?
08:58<witte>godless: no, scimmiapazza is
08:58<witte>sorry about that
08:58<godless>ah sorry just catched up :)
08:58<godless>witte : my mistake should have been obvious :)
08:58<fxiny>Supaplex: chew on this if you are nervous :) : etch vserver /etc/vservers/vserver_name/cache symlink pointing to /etc/vservers/.defaults/cachebase/vserver_name is broken . strange . all is fine . i cannot understand where it should point :)
08:59<scimmiapazza><witte> I didn'ìt ask about unofficial repository.. I mentioned them because someone sayed to me that I can't be interessed in debian unstable..
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09:00<witte>scimmiapazza: if you want a reasonably new system, which is quite stable, go for testing, if you want bleeding edge, go for unstable but bear the consequences
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09:00<Cosmo>morning, i was hoping someone might be able to give me 5 minutes of their time with a kernel compiliation question ?
09:01<witte>scimmiapazza: testing is (putting it simplified) an unstable that has been tested for more than 10 days
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09:02<Cosmo>this is a new install of lenny on my new laptop, and i'm compiling the kernel as per usual using make-kpkg, but on this occasion it's like it's not seeing the config file, and it's taking me through ALL of the kernel options and asking me for Yes or No for each
09:02<chealer_>scimmiapazza: what repository lacks?
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09:03<scimmiapazza><witte> I know that..But If evrevry time that I try to ask thew impression of unstable's users I hear "If you have to ask etc..etc.." How can I have an impression? I don't want to make trubble or else..but in gentoo chat when I asked this question I recived all the impression from all the users..
09:04<chealer_>korny|UTF-8: did you check d-i's current issues?
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09:04<scimmiapazza><chealer_> What? Do you want to know what repository I'm talking about? XD Sorry but my english isn't too good =)
09:04<chealer_>scimmiapazza: yes
09:04<korny|UTF-8>chealer, d-i's? sorry whtat is it?
09:04<witte>scimmiapazza: you are free to try unstable, it is reasonably ok, but sometimes there are problems. They are often solvable, depending on your skill in linux/debian. If you have to get some work done on the machine, I wouldn't advice unstable
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09:05<witte>scimmiapazza: I have unstable on my home pc's, but not on my pc at work where i use testing
09:05<azeem>scimmiapazza: please don't use < > as characters to address people, those are usually used for quoting
09:05<chealer_>korny|UTF-8: debian-installer
09:06<korny|UTF-8>chealer_ how can i find these issues?
09:06<korny|UTF-8>is there a working testing build around?
09:06<scimmiapazza>chealer_: For example I looked for hours to find a repository with compiz-fusion for amd testing..
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09:07<scimmiapazza>azeem: sorry..
09:08<scimmiapazza>witte: Thank you..
09:08<chealer>scimmiapazza: there would be no significant difference with unstable. compiz-fusion is not in Debian.
09:08<chealer>korny|UTF-8: yes
09:08<Wabla>My server gets ip from DHCP but cant ping the router, he can ping my computer tho. He cant ping anything outside the net. On router he gets destination host unreachable..
09:08<Wabla>yes they are on the same subnet
09:09<scimmiapazza>chaeler: ..Yes..but I'm not lucky and some packages depends from other packages..that are in sid..
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09:09<korny|UTF-8>where can i find a lenny cd image prior to 23.10.07 ?
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09:10<chealer>korny|UTF-8: if you don't mind, why don't you use a daily build?
09:10<debed>hello can anyone help me to recover synaptic after updation
09:11<chealer>scimmiapazza: that's not a reason to use pure unstable. if you need some packages which are only in sid, install these only.
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09:11<debed>I updated my debian system from a sid source...and after upgrading...i dont find synaptic package manager
09:11<korny|UTF-8>chealer, where can i find a working one?
09:11<chealer>debed: I recommend you reinstall a Debian release which is appropriate for you, either testing or stable.
09:12<debed>chealer, but in a stable version do we have openoffice
09:12<chealer>debed: yes
09:12<scimmiapazza>chealer: Yes.. but sometime can be..difficult..cause one package dipends from other packages,..and At the end I have 20 sid packages to install..
09:12<debed>chealer, just temme...which is appropriate for me...testing or stable
09:13<chealer>korny|UTF-8: they're linked to from the same page as the weekly build, i.e.
09:13<scimmiapazza>than you for everything! =) see you
09:13<korny|UTF-8>and they will work?
09:14<Paper>hi all; is there a location where APT references default installation locations? eg, if I want to apt-get install apache, can I tell it to install someplace other than /etc/apache2 ?
09:14<chealer>debed: I don't know. depends on the software you need. If you need nothing released in 2007, stable could do. you can always start with stable and upgrade to testing if you find that stable is too old for you.
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09:14<chealer>korny|UTF-8: unless says the opposite, they should.
09:15<chealer>scimmiapazza: that shouldn't be a problem.
09:15<debed>chealer, I am using debian only from past 2 weeks...another thing is taht if we update our system from a stable source and if later we require a software which is unavailable in stable......and if we change the source to a testing.or unstable...will we get the same problem again????
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09:16<korny|UTF-8>mkey lets have a try
09:18<Wabla>Any ideas why my server gets an ip from DHCP(router) but cant ping it, neither can router ping the server. It(server) can however ping my other computer and vice versa
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09:18<chealer>debed: it's difficult to mix stable and (testing or unstable). usually if you want a binary packages from testing or unstable on stable, you should consider upgrading to testing.
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09:29<Cosmo>anyone know about that then ? why my kernel compile might be asking me for specifics for every configuration item ?
09:29<paistis>you do make config?
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09:29<Cosmo>sure, i do make menuconfig, load my previous configuration, save a few things, then save the new config
09:29<Cosmo>then continue to use make-kpkg
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09:31<paistis>it can ask all depencis what there is
09:32<Cosmo>it's almost like it's not seeing my kernel config
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09:33<paistis>i'm not sure does the make-kpkg check the existence of the config file
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10:19<madmike>Weiss jemand, ob old-stable immer noch support (security updates und so) kriegt?
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10:20<madmike>Weiss niemand ob sarge noch updates bekommt?
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10:21<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
10:21<dpkg>sarge is, like, Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists:
10:22<madmike>hmm... ich geh mal in #debian fragen
10:22<witte>madmike: you are in #debian :-)
10:22<madmike>ups :)
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10:23<madmike>should have asked the question in english then :)
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10:23<madmike>Does anyone know if sarge still recieves security updates?
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10:24<JasonS>madmike: yes but not for much longer iirc
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10:25<madmike>JasonS: sounds good, the machine shouldn't run that much longer either
10:26<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
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10:27<madmike>sarge is a bitch to install... the sarge installer wants to install "stable" instead of just "sarge" :/
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10:28<witte>madmike: what is wrong with etch that you want to install sarge again?
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10:29<madmike>witte: It will run on a Pentium 166 Mhz MMX with 64 MB
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10:31<madmike>witte: As much as gatherd, etch will need a bit more horse-power than that. Sarge might just run fine... at least thats what I try to find out right now
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10:31[~]fxiny PII 400 running fluxbox , icewilly , 4 rtorrents , 10 mrxvt tabs . screen , irssi , xmms2 ,and two vservers hosts :)
10:32<madmike>fxiny, on what debian version?
10:32<fxiny>madmike: etch :)
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10:32<fxiny>madmike: Mem: 224444
10:33<madmike>fxiny, Mem-total?
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10:33<madmike>I'd like to have such a good machine... ;)
10:33<fxiny>madmike: it stared with 64 MB like yours
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10:34<fxiny>madmike: and an *extra* large 4GB hd
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10:35<fxiny>madmike: i'm pushing to the limit with vservers
10:35<witte>I have a B132L (hppa 132 MHz), with 96 MB running unstable
10:35<witte>well, running is maybe a bit over it, walking unstable :-)
10:36<madmike>fxiny, it isn't my machine, it's for my brother in-law. He doesn't have any money, so he's got this machine as a gift and i'm the one who should make it internet-compliant
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10:37<fxiny>madmike: a good machine ? now this box is worth 40 euro
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10:37<fxiny>but i love it
10:39<madmike>it's a compaq, so the hardware is okay, even if the bios is pretty querky... I fear a bit that it might still out-live sarge support
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10:39<fxiny>madmike: i'm running squid as well
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10:40<ganglove>bom dia
10:41<fxiny>i'm always browsing the same sites so squid caching improves overall performances
10:41<madmike>fxiny, these days any buffer-overlow might be a securtiy threat.. a proxy won't help against that
10:41<fxiny>madmike: true
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10:42<jen_n>Is an NFS question OT here?
10:42<fxiny>madmike: i run snort and a couple of ids too , backups always ready :)
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10:43<madmike>I just hope this machines dies in a year or two so i don't need to maintain it too long X-P
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10:43<faheem>Hi everyone. If I don't sign packages in a Debian apt repository, will this cause any problems?
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10:44<faheem>Is the key used to sign packages the same as apt in etch and higher uses to do authentication?
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10:46<fxiny>madmike: you should find hardware like mine on the second hand germany market
10:46<fxiny>madmike: 64MB is not enough
10:47<fxiny>you're going mad to set it up
10:47<madmike>can't go mad, i'm madmike allready :D
10:47<fxiny>hahah : my bad :)
10:48<witte>I agree with fxiny: you probably can find better hardware in the dumpster
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10:48<bzed>jen_n: if there's a debian machine involved - no
10:49<madmike>fxiny, I'm with you on the "64MB is not enough" thing. Trouble is, noone has a budget to buy computers these day. But my support is free, so they expect me to make them work.
10:49<jen_n>bzed: There's a debian machine involved, but I doubt the problem is debian related, but here goes.
10:49<witte>madmike: the problem is that your support is free :P
10:50<witte>madmike: people do not mind to pay for a "professional" and for the expensive hardware that they use, but if it is done by a friend it has to be for free
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10:51<madmike>witte, I don't take money because i don't want to raise expectations... until now I choose who I support, but family-members are a bit more complicated cases :)
10:52<witte>madmike: I know the feeling :-)
10:52<jen_n>I have an NFS server exporting a share to my subnet (not to individual machines). I have several Macs and a FreeBSD machine connecting to this share. I just upgraded one Mac to Leopard, and it can't connect.
10:52<jen_n>I have a Debian box that also can't connect. I use the same command as in FreeBSD ("mount -t nfs /mnt/Drive"), but FreeBSD connects instantly and Debian returns a "Server is down" response after 10m.
10:52<jen_n>I'm trying to figure out how to connect the Debian and Leopard machines to this, and don't know where to turn.
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10:52<madmike>witte, Thanks :)
10:53<fxiny>madmike: keep on rolling mate :)
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10:57<witte>jen_n: no firewall problem or something
10:58<jen_n>witte: No, there's no internal firewall running, only to the outside.
10:59<faheem>debsign is not working for me. I get a secret key not available error. I'm wondering if it because when I do gpg --list-secret-keys it is giving Faheem Mitha (gpg key) <>. Wonder if the extra (gpg key) is causing a problem.
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11:00<witte>jen_n: try this troubleshooting guide:
11:02<jen_n>witte: thanks, will go through those.
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11:02<witte>jen_n: it is just that i have no real idea where to start, I have ns working, but that is quite some time ago, and now it justs works :-)
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11:04<jen_n>witte: Yeah, same here: it has Just Worked for years and on the Leopard upgrade it just stopped, and this is really important for my network.
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11:04<witte>jen_n: you have the needed nfs-client stuff enabled?
11:05<witte>or installed
11:06<jen_n>I have nfs-common and portmap installed; do I need to do anything else?
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11:07<witte>jen_n: do not think so...
11:07<amachu>how do i help translate debian web-site and manuals in my language
11:08<amachu>i have been doing it for GNU for quite sometime
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11:09<black_13>how would i disable or redirect output from the kernel during boot up to a file or another console or just not have it displayed?
11:09<m0RrE>jen_n: check the ips of the macines you're connecting from and att them to the export-file
11:09<chealer>amachu: ask #debian-i18n, or maybe something specific to your language.
11:10<fxiny>jen_n: leopard ? could be a bug . read the news about friday upgrade lockup
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11:10<madmike>black_13, I guess there is a kernel-option called 'quiet' to only show the most essential stuff
11:10<jen_n>M0RrE: Will try that, but why would that be needed? The other machines connect OK.
11:10<jen_n>fxiny: I wasn't affected by the BSOD lockup, and the problem's on Debian too, so I'm assuming there's something non-Leopard involved.
11:10<black_13>madmike quiet is a start
11:11<black_13>i want nothing showing
11:11<fxiny>black_13: read /etc/default/bootlogd
11:11<black_13>i have bootlogd on
11:12<amachu>chealer: thank you
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11:18<madmike>black_13, i hear they use 'splash' as a kernel option on ubuntu... don't know what packages are needed to use it though...
11:19[~]last-ottom4n hi
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11:19<black_13>madmike, this is ubuntu kernel then
11:20<black_13>ill check it out
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11:29<sneakyp>slow dns (5 sec) on etch, disabled ipv6, issue still present. any ideas how to ascertain why?
11:30<lupine_nx>slow DNS server?
11:30<lupine_nx>try using dig and specifying different servers
11:31<lupine_nx>don't /msg people
11:31<sneakyp>lupine_nx - nope... just slow dns lookups, anywhere. specify a test and i'll show you slow...
11:31<lupine_nx>there are various public DNS servers you can use
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11:32<lupine_nx>sneakyp: not entirely sure, then.
11:32<sasha>hi could someone explain the difference between oss / esd or alsa and witch one i should use
11:33<lupine_nx>sasha: alsa replaces oss. esd is a sound daemon that allows many programs to use the sound card at the same time (in OSS /or/ alsa) if your card doesn't have hardware support for that
11:33<sneakyp>thx lupine_nx, i've even tried the old "run my own dns server", but of course that has the same issues. bet you it's something really, really simple. just need a few pointers...
11:33<lupine_nx>last-ottom4n: stop it
11:33<last-ottom4n>lupine_nx oks
11:33<lupine_nx>sasha: you should be using alsa, without ESD if you can get away with it
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11:34<lupine_nx>if you have legacy programs that require/prefer OSS, you can use the alsa-oss package to run them
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11:34<lupine_nx>last-ottom4n: and don't use CTCP either. kthx
11:34<sasha>looks like amsn only support esd , is it possible to mix the two of them ?
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11:35<lupine_nx>sasha: sort of. you can run all your sound through esd (usually), which will then pass the sound to alsa for you
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11:35<lupine_nx>other programs won't be able to directly access alsa while that's happening
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11:36<sasha>can alsa simulate what esd programs need in /dev like /dev/mixer ...
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11:36<last-ottom4n>lupine_nx why?
11:37<sasha>thanks lupine
11:37<lupine_nx>last-ottom4n: because it's ill-mannered, and I'm afraid I'm a bit snappy today :(
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11:38<sasha>another question , i have some packages from the multimedia/testing repository , that are newer than the ones in the official/testing but apt d ont want to upgade them , are there pinning rules for that ?
11:39<lupine_nx>unless you've set the pinning rules up, there shouldn't be
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11:39<last-ottom4n>lupine_nx ok brow "_
11:40<sasha>i have added the multimedia/testing repository after mplayer was last installed
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11:41<lupine_nx>if the Version: string is higher, it should upgrade it. what does apt-cache policy look like?
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11:43<sasha>same value 990 for the multimedia / testing and the official / testing
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11:48<sasha>lupine : in fact it is only a dependencie problem nothing wrong
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11:50<lupine_nx>quick question - is there anything like xmessage but, um, prettier? :)
11:50<lupine_nx>oh, gmessage. win
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11:55<warrick>how come ubuntu freezes on my ooold laptop but debian runs fine... also, is there some way of getting a distribution of netinst + madwifi
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11:56<wamty>is there a command for debian
11:56<wamty>like "setup" on redhat or "sysinstall" on BSD
11:56<witte>warrick: debian uses less memory? and you can try jigdo
11:56<wamty>for post installation configuration / package setup
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11:57<bartm>wamty: maybe "tasksel" is what you are looking for
11:57<warrick>ok thanks
11:57<witte>wamty: dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>
11:57<bartm>wamty: ow yes, witte's answer is better than mine
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11:57<witte>wamty: but i do not know what setup/sysinstall does
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12:08<warrick>how do you modify a .jigdo file to include madwifi
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12:24<gyarfi>ebben a rendsterben most vagy előszö
12:24<gyarfi>van itt valaki?
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12:24<warrick>how do you download all madwifi's dependencies?
12:25<warrick>I don't understand how jigdo works i guess
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12:25<witte>warrick: I just know that you can make your own cd with jigdo, not really how it works as i never used it myself
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12:26<warrick>oh i see, a jigdo file is gzipped... now ownder
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12:38<derth>how protocol analyser capter data on wireless network?
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12:39<derth>someone knw pls reply
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12:40<lupine_nx>derth: nobody expects the spanish inquisition, that's how
12:41<fxiny>unless Torquemada serves a fine chilleds beer ...
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12:41<fxiny>in that case i can have a talk with that hooked a* hole
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12:43<la>to install tgz
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12:44<Guest213>can anybody help with installing a .tgz file
12:45<fxiny>open it up and read README and INSTALL provided files
12:45<witte>!tell Guest213 about tgz
12:45<lupine_nx>the question, of course, is what's inside it
12:45<warrick>well I figured out how to use jigdo, but I haven't figured out how to list every dependency madwifi would need
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12:46<Guest213>does not have a read me file
12:46<Guest213>it is file called freewins-0.2
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12:47<fxiny>another win4linux ? again ?
12:47<fxiny>wt4x !
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12:49<Jmd>Has anyone run Half-Life 2 on Steam using Wine on Debian? I already use Debian, but I'm trying to convince my family members to use Linux instead of Windows. Their decision hinges on whether or not they can play those games on it. I believe they could.
12:50<fa>oh f00f. Gentoo's chucked, lm-sensors is borked... Found unknown chip with ID 0x8708 asus p4g8x deluxe (asb100)
12:51<Nemoder>Jmd: I managed to get it working, but it wasn't pleasant
12:51<Jmd>Nemoder: Didn't run well?
12:51<Nemoder>very slow
12:51<fa>Jmd, totally possible, either dedicate a machine or two to linix.
12:51<Jmd>fa: What???
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12:51<Jmd>Nemoder: Well did you have GL Acceleration enabled?
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12:52<fa>Jmd, its very very painful, get a seperate machine or dual boot to keep the peace.
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12:52<Jmd>I'll leave it then if it can't run it well.
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12:52[~]fa apt-get installs q3a.
12:52<Nemoder>I suppose it would depend on your system specs
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12:52<acritchlow>anyone used openswan on debian before?
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12:54<Jmd>Nvidia GeForce FX 5500 768 MB RAM, err P4 Nothing too big, but enough to run it on Windows decently
12:54<Guest213>is there a program i could use to install .tgz files?
12:54<fa>Guest213, whats in them?
12:54<Nemoder>ya I don't think that would be very pretty in wine
12:54<fa>Guest213, try tar.
12:54<bartm>Guest213: tar xzf foo.tgz
12:55<Nemoder>there are some good native games though that have mods similar to CS like tactical ops or true combat:elite
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12:56<engemec>i'm using xchat in debian
12:56<Jmd>Congratulations. Me too.
12:57<engemec>i would like to see everybody! but i don know.
12:57<engemec>list of users
12:57<Jmd>View >> Userlist
12:57<bartm>engemec: it is possible that the list of users is hidden because its width is initially zero pixels wide
12:57<fa>engemec, Jmd pirc is cool too.
12:57<Jmd>or something of that sort
12:57<bartm>engemec: just draw it open
12:58<bartm>engemec: solved?
12:58<engemec>View->Userlist!!!!????? not exist
12:59<Jmd>Calm down.
12:59<Jmd>It's probably already checked, just drag it out.
12:59<fa>settings, prefs, userlist, restart
12:59<bartm>engemec: just drag it open, it's on the right
12:59<engemec>well. I from brazil and my language is portuguese.
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12:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:00<engemec>i speak english too. bau, not good.
13:00<engemec>but not good
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13:00<Jmd>Then I'd suggest the channel that speaks your language.
13:00<engemec>i found
13:01<engemec>just drag it open. Itś on the right.
13:01<engemec>thanks a lot
13:01<Jmd>fa: I've never tried pirc, is it better?
13:02<fa>Jmd, once you get the hang of it, its very lightweight.
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13:02<Jmd>Lighter than xchat? Quicker?
13:02<fa>Jmd, i like bouncing my screens around the network.
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13:04<fa>Jmd, just like sirc ;-)
13:05<Jmd>Never used that either. Lol.
13:05<Jmd>Just mIRC and Xchat.
13:05<fa>Jmd, i have dumb terminals around, cant mirc off on those.
13:05<Jmd>Ah. I see.
13:06<fa>Jmd, I like portability.
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13:07<Jmd>I do as well. I just am not well-versed in the many different IRC clients.
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13:07<fa>Jmd, well, any of them written in perl should be cool.
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13:08<Jmd>I take it pirc stands for Perl IRC?
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13:08<fa>Jmd, yeah, I haven't decided what CircleIrc stands for either.
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13:34<w00ter^>Hi, i've been toled by someone in here you can make your kernel tickless, without needing to recompile it. Is that possible? And if so, does any one happen to have a link with some documentation on it? Can't find anything usefull mysefl
13:34<Jmd>Er. I thought it was a kernel configuration option to make it tickless?
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13:34<Jmd>I don't think it'd be possible to do that without a recompile, but I may be wrong.
13:35<w00ter^>i thought so too, but i was toled here otherwise
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13:36<Aleric>What is the debian way to contact someone with msn on a hotmail address?
13:36<boo>what is switch attacks ?
13:36<paistis>Aleric: aMsn pidgin
13:36<witte>Aleric: there is no debian way, but any linux way should do the trick
13:37<fxiny>Aleric: bitlbee
13:37<jagerman>telnet! ;)
13:37<fxiny>not debian of course
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13:37<fxiny>telnet ? hahahah why not old smb ? is win95 back again ?
13:38<paistis>telnet is right way to irc :P
13:38<boo>someone know what is the switch attack is?
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13:38<fxiny>netcat adds to nerdiness
13:39<Jmd>netcat is useful.
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13:39<fxiny>Aleric: i have bitlbee running now in a vserver ;)
13:39<boo>anyone can help me?
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13:41<fxiny>i refuse to install any msn and to leave irssi
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13:41<JasonS>than dont fxiny
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13:42<fxiny>JasonS: i never installed msn : screen > irssi_chrooted > connects to bitlbee > sitting in a vserver ;)
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13:47<fxiny>windows users can only dream about this stuff !
13:47<fxiny>mirc tirc flirc sirc !
13:47<w00ter^>is there a way to test a kernel if it will boot, without actual rebooting ?
13:48<boo>thanx but its not include more can you send me another one
13:48<JasonS>boo: then
13:48<JasonS>boo: why so curious anyhow?
13:48<jagerman>w00ter^: No. It makes rebooting remote servers a bit stressful. :)
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13:49<jagerman>Especially for one kernel I tried that, for some reason, took about 5 minutes to come up.
13:49<jagerman>I was on the verge of phoning the data center.
13:49<w00ter^>jagerman: very stressfull :P I've been trying to re-compile a kernel for weeks, for 1 simple change (Hz to 1000 or tickless), but each time it refuses to boot :(
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13:50<jagerman>Neither of those seems particularly useful on a server.
13:50<fxiny>w00ter^: testing your kernel with qemu ?
13:50<w00ter^>its a game server
13:50<w00ter^>long story, but it does help
13:51<HaryPotrOwnsU>i have a question about using my laptop in a internet cafe. i'm not sure how to setup my wireless card to work. can someone link me to a tut or something?
13:51<w00ter^>qemu , some sort of a vmware ?
13:51<fxiny>just install a base system
13:51<HaryPotrOwnsU>yeah. ^^
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13:52<jagerman>The thing is, even if it works in qemu, that doesn't mean it'll work on your hardware, with your boot loader, etc.
13:52<fxiny>w00ter^: you can load debianlive cd in qemu
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13:52<jagerman>Though I guess you slim down the probability of failure a little.
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13:52<black_13>what does "virtual terminal support" mean
13:52<w00ter^>what i did to be 'safe', is taken the old kernel config, and only change the Hz settings. I figured that should pretty much make it able to boot
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13:53<Fafa>Hi I need some help please :x
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13:53<HaryPotrOwnsU>ask your question
13:53<Fafa>i'd like to know how to link physically two debian
13:53<jagerman>w00ter^: Does it really make a big difference vs. 250Hz?
13:53<lupine_nx>Fafa: superglue works pretty well
13:53<Fafa>which kind of cable to use
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13:54<lupine_nx>it's most common to use a crossover ethernet cable
13:54<w00ter^>jagerman - yes, it helps the amount of frames the game server can proccess per second. Improved stuff like bullet reg, smoother movements etc for the clients
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13:54<Fafa>cannot we use a "straight" one ?
13:54<lupine_nx>you can also use serial (null-modem), usb, parallel port, lpt, wireless protocols, etc
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13:54[~]jagerman points out that game servers do not have "frames," that's a purely graphics thing.
13:55<lupine_nx>Fafa: you can if at least one of your network cards supports it
13:55<Fafa>yeah seems logic
13:55<Fafa>but still none of the pc sees the other
13:55<jagerman>w00ter^: How did you update the config?
13:56<lupine_nx>do you have them both configured to be on the same subnet, etc?
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13:56<lupine_nx>if you do, and you can't see anything at all (e.g. with tcpdump or wireshark), then you need to go pick up a crossover cable
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13:56<Fafa>okay i'll try to find one in a magic box thanks ^^
13:56<w00ter^>a small guide helped me trough it; make oldconfig, after make menuconfig
13:57<w00ter^>and change the settings there
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14:01<w00ter^>If i do another attempt, is it possible that some one checks my .config before i actually compile it? Or is that undoable ?
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14:02<Bushmills>too system specific.
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14:03<Bushmills>we'd have to ask you too often about your system, you can read your answers yourself more efficiently
14:03<fxiny>very zen
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14:32<saltmiser>anybody ever consider how to go about getting a ti84/ti89 working on linux?
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14:43<JoeyAdams>anybody ever consider how to go about getting a ti84/ti89 working on linux? ==> Are you talking about an emulator?
14:43<JoeyAdams>Keep in mind that TI-84 uses a Z80 processor, and TI-89 uses a 68k processor. There's different emulators for each.
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14:44<JoeyAdams>Oops, I should have said "saltmiser" so your client would have blinked ;)
14:44<JoeyAdams>There's TiEmu for the TI-89/92/V200
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14:44<JoeyAdams>I don't know how up-to-date the binary is on Debian Etch for PC, though
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14:46<bepla>Hi! Which command allows me to set hardware clock to UTC instead of local time please?
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14:48<JoeyAdams>saltmiser> If you want up-to-date TiEmu (a TI-68k emulator) packages, you can install a separate repository by following these directions:
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14:52<JoeyAdams>bepla> By local time, do you mean the correct time, yet in your timezone, or do you mean the inaccurate time residing in your system?
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14:52<JoeyAdams>Because I know you can apt-get install ntp and have it update the time over the network, but I'm not sure that's what you meant.
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14:53<w00ter^>Are there default sata controllers when u compile the kernel ?
14:53<Myon>bepla: vi /etc/default/rcS
14:53<kurt>I'm looking for a non-destructive partition tool for Sarge, any suggestions.
14:54<JoeyAdams>kurt> Parted, maybe
14:54<bepla>JoeyAdams: During install I said hwclock is local time but I would like know to set it as UTC and that date is set fom hw clock + time zone...
14:54<JoeyAdams>Though you might need some external tools as well, like resizee2fs
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14:55<JoeyAdams>bepla, look at Myon's post: <Myon> bepla: vi /etc/default/rcS :)
14:55<kurt>ok, that's what I was looking at, I was just hoping there might be a partition magic type app, I could use. Thanks though.
14:55<bepla>Myon: ok, looks like there's interesting settings there ;)
14:55<JoeyAdams>Maybe QtParted or GParted
14:55<JoeyAdams>Those are graphical tools, but you need a Linux running to do that
14:56<kurt>I'll try GParted, I'm running sarge, and I've got alot of unused space so I thought I'd try something else on a different partition.
14:56<bepla>JoeyAdams, Myon many thanks to you...
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14:56<ErJeDi>perdon no era para aqui
14:56<JoeyAdams>kurt> You probably can't resize a partition if you have it mounted as your OS
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14:57<JoeyAdams>If you're going to resize partitions that are not part of your OS installation, make sure they are unmounted first by typing: mount
14:58<kurt>It's not the OS partition, but thanks for the heads up.
14:58<kurt>I'm using it as the home partition
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15:00<JoeyAdams>Okay, just be aware that some systems automatically detect partitions on your system and mount them, so repartitioning will require unmounting these partitions and maybe editing the /etc/fstab
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15:01<kurt>Ok, cool, I'll take a bash at it and if it doesn't workout, I'll be back in a few hours (after another reinstall)
15:02<witte>a few hours for a reinstall?
15:02<witte>kurt: that shouldn't take that long
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15:03<kurt>I have to take breaks between disks to assure my girlfriend nothing bad is happening, I've just screwed up the computer again. Takes time.
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15:04<kurt>thanks guys, I'll be back
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15:04[~]Aleric wonders how that assuring is being done
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15:07<w00ter^>I just tried to boot with a bugged kernel, now its back on its old one. Does it log somewere the error it had?
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15:14<w00ter^>I cannot find were i should be looking for the error log for the failed kernel, any hints?
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15:17<wim>what up dog
15:17<jagerman>w00ter^: If it couldn't boot at all, there wouldn't have been anywhere to write a log.
15:17<Cicloner>i have a problem: i want to record directly from outputline sound, but i cant do that without a soundrecord program....
15:17<wim>anybody know were the new strip club in nyc is?
15:18<jagerman>Is that where people get together to strip binaries?
15:18<w00ter^>jagerman - ah right, could have figured that out myself
15:18<jagerman>Otherwise I'm not seeing the Debian connection.
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15:19<wim>anybody besides me what to get laid tonite?
15:19<Myon>wim: got a Debian question?
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15:19<jagerman>Everyone knows using debian and getting laid are mutually exclusive!
15:20[~]Dr_O chuckles!
15:20<Myon>at least for the very moment
15:20<Cicloner>thanks for help me ;)
15:21<Myon>Cicloner: well, install one?
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15:22<Cicloner>ok dont worry
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15:24<george>you could try ardour but that requires jack, and your particular app would require your whole sound system to go thru jack if that's what you want to record
15:24<Cicloner>ok i will try it
15:24<Cicloner>thanks george
15:25<george>jack was -not- easy to set up
15:25<Cicloner>i know, but i think that nothing is imposible hahah
15:26<Cicloner>i will read some howto's about ardour/jack
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15:26<george>you will probably need a kernel which has low latency, realtime and is preemptable
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15:27<george>this is not strictly required... but lack of part of that would make it a requirement you start jackd as root every time
15:27<Cicloner>why low latency?
15:28<george>I'm not quite understanding... what is it you want to record?
15:28<george>because otherwise you get jitter
15:29<Cicloner>i will install it
15:29<Cicloner>thanks george for help me
15:29<Cicloner>i'm a noob
15:29<george>there are probably simpler recording programs; I just don't know them
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15:30<george>you'll be reading a LOT then
15:30<Cicloner>but not about this
15:30<Cicloner>i'm amb reading the net guide for linux
15:30<george>and if you get into the habit of reading/trying/searching/thinking, you won't be a newb for long
15:31<Cicloner>the hard its to follow that habit
15:31<Cicloner>but i like to read
15:31<george>good :)
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15:32<Cicloner>and speack about my life heheh
15:32<george>ardour is a protools look-alike
15:34<george>so I'm still unsure about what it is you want to record
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15:34<Cicloner>sorry, but my english is too poor
15:34<Cicloner>i'm from spain
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15:34<george>hmm, what place in spain?
15:35<Cicloner>Alicante, in Comunidad Valenciana
15:35<Cicloner>& where are u from?
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15:35<george>us, california
15:36<Cicloner>near from me..
15:36<george>anyway it's coffee time for me (wayyyy late actually)
15:36<dpkg>[coffee] the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes
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15:37<Cicloner>and my cola-cao time for me
15:38<Cicloner>with magdalenas
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15:39<george>well final comment... if you end up using ardour, then anything you want to record must come through jack audio connection kit
15:40<Cicloner>oh no
15:40<Cicloner>i i'm listening music from rhythmbox, and i want to record it
15:40<george>that can be at times easier or harder
15:41<george>so... if you can get rhythmbox to output to jack, you're golden
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15:42<Cicloner>then, how can i record from rhyth* and save the datasound in a file?
15:42<george>of course any other program is going to have some kind of way to get the sound to record it
15:43<Cicloner>jitter, for example..
15:43<Myon>Cicloner: most player have output plugins that write to disk
15:43<george>jitter is an (undesirable) effect
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15:43<Cicloner>ok ok
15:44<Myon>otherwise, some alsa magic should probably work
15:44<george>if you can get an output plugin for rhythmbox, use that... ardour is wayy more complicated
15:44<LightningTH>"Encounted a section with no packaged: header" "problem with mergelist /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages" after trying to update my package list. now i'm unable to see any packages to install
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15:45<Cicloner>ok thanks for ur time george...
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15:45<Myon>LightningTH: run apt-get/aptitude update again
15:46<LightningTH>Myon: tried 3x already :)
15:46<LightningTH>i see a few ignores, mostly hits then it fails
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15:46<Myon>Ign is fine
15:46<george>why does it fail?
15:47<LightningTH>that is my q :)
15:47<Myon>try rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*
15:47<george>then you'd run the update again
15:47<LightningTH>trying again. didnt think about wiping out the lists
15:47<LightningTH>worked :)
15:47<LightningTH>trying to fix X11 locking up with the nv driver
15:48<Myon>maybe a file there was bad, or you have a bad proxy
15:48<Myon>apt is particularly picky about its data
15:48<LightningTH>was going to install the nvidia driver from their site unless that is not recommended
15:48<xsdg>LightningTH: when does it lock up?
15:48<Myon>nv is more recommended ;)
15:48<LightningTH>xsdg, randomly
15:48<xsdg>LightningTH: I've had issues with the nvidia (binary) driver, but nv has been rock solid for me
15:49<LightningTH>running nv right now. geforce 6800. it can run for 20 minutes or barely start up
15:49<LightningTH>every time the mouse is usable. came across which describes it. but i'm not running ubuntu nor restricted modules
15:50<LightningTH>otherwise i match with the nv driver
15:50<xsdg>LightningTH: what version?
15:50<LightningTH>been running 2k for years without a prob
15:50<LightningTH>whatever is in etch. installed about a week ago. been trying to track it
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15:51<george>LightningTH: is a week ago also when you first install linux?
15:51<cube>what do i need to open mms-streams with totem?
15:51<LightningTH>george, on this computer. i've been running debian potato on another computer but only the console for years
15:51<gpm>shouldn't the totem-mozilla plugin do it?
15:52<george>LightningTH: potato?? :)
15:52<LightningTH>use it for a server/etc. trying to get this setup for the wife but X11 keeps "freezing" (actually cpu hogging)
15:52<xsdg>george: potato was after woody, before etch (and possibly one in between)
15:52<xsdg>LightningTH: hmm...
15:52<LightningTH>use to run slink before potato :)
15:52<xsdg>LightningTH: what version of xserver-xorg-driver-nv?
15:52<LightningTH>but that is all console. the gui stuff is new to me
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15:53<xsdg>LightningTH: yeah, I started with slink
15:53<LightningTH>so tracking this stuff is a bit new
15:53<george>before etch was sarge, before that was woody, maybe potato was before that
15:53<LightningTH>xsdg: is that in some odd package? dselect doesnt find it
15:54<LightningTH>george, ya, potato was before woody. i remember woody coming out but the box i run potato on has been good and didnt need the update
15:54<LightningTH>been stable for longer than i remember :)
15:54<xsdg>LightningTH: oh... it's probably a packaging difference between SID (which I run) and etch
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15:55<LightningTH>ah, video-...
15:55<LightningTH>nv is showing package 1.2.0-3
15:55<cube>totem-mozilla doesn'T fix the mms-problem
15:55<xsdg>LightningTH: yeah, I was wrong. Version here is 1:2.1.5-1
15:56<LightningTH>xsdg, give me just a couple minutes? gotta take care of something. just a quick minute
15:56<xsdg>LightningTH: yup
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15:56<george>it's time for the Couple Minute!
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15:57<Dr_O>LightningTH: if you are not worried about a gaming experiance then you may find the vesa driver will be OK... just a thought.
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15:58<xsdg>Dr_O: vesa is slow for dragging windows
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15:59<Dr_O>may be but if it runs stable then might be an option...
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16:00<Eulex>xsdg, I wouldn't expect nv to be much faster than vesa...
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16:00<xsdg>Eulex: I believe nv has some 2d accel, though I might be misrecalling
16:01<aycko>is there a working solution for converting wma files to mp3 where the id3 tags are copied?
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16:01<Eulex>xsdg, iirc it just provides framebuffer access... I might be wrong, though.
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16:02<aycko>i found soundconverter which seems ok, but the id3 tags are empty afterwards.
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16:03<gpm>cube: huh, i know the mplayer plugin can do it...don't know if totem can
16:04<gpm>are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
16:04<cube>totem-gstreamer, y?
16:05<gpm>i just googled totem mms and it looks like using totem-xine made it work for some people
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16:05<cube>i'll try
16:06<LightningTH>was tempted to install the nvidia stuff knowing the wife may try a few 3d games under linux
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16:08<xsdg>LightningTH: I'd suggest trying a more recent version of the driver (and/or xorg itself). Note that I don't know if that will help, or how easy/difficult it may be
16:08<LightningTH>oddly it looks like gcc is installed but typing gcc on the commandline doesnt work
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16:09<bzed>LightningTH: use the debian packages to isntall the driver, anything else won't make you happy
16:09<LightningTH>xsdg: any reason you know of that gcc and libc6, although marked as installed, dont appear usable?
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16:09<bzed>LightningTH: I'm absolutely sure that you have libc6 installed.
16:09<LightningTH>bzed: have the debian nv package installed, it is giving me trouble
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16:10<bzed>!tell LightningTH about nvidia-one-liner
16:10<LightningTH>bzed: that is what i'd expect but "gcc" and "cc" at the command line dont reveal anything
16:10<bzed>!tell LightningTH about nvidia-oneliner
16:10<amer>Please can anyone help me in configuring my soundcard
16:10<bzed>!tell LightningTH about non-free
16:10<bzed>!tell amer about anyone
16:10<LightningTH>i believe non-free is already in my list
16:11<bzed>bluebit: no :P
16:11<bzed>amer: read what dpkg told you.
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16:11<xsdg>LightningTH: `gcc` doesn't say anything? do you have gcc-<some version number> installed?
16:11<bluebit>sorry :)
16:11<bzed>LightningTH: run the nvidia oneline as presented by dpkg
16:11<Dr_O>LightningTH: you seen ?
16:11<LightningTH>xsdg: deselect says gcc is installed but `gcc` errors :)
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16:11<LightningTH>basic etch install
16:12<LightningTH>i'll try the one liner
16:12<LightningTH>says it cant be found, oddly enough
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16:12<bzed>LightningTH: add non-free and contrib first
16:12<LightningTH>Dr_O: no
16:12<bzed>LightningTH: and run apt-get update
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16:12<bzed>amer: don't /msg me.
16:13<bzed>amer: stop it now.
16:13<bzed>amer: ask your questions here.
16:13<george>you can /ignore just his msgs if you want
16:13<bzed>george: that doesn;t help him.
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16:14<lupine_nx>or one could, you know, find his address and send a HK team to make him stop doing /msg
16:14<amer>I am sorry but this my first day on debian
16:14<amer>and my first day also on irc
16:14<bzed>amer: no problem at all :) just ask your question here, preferable in one long piece :)
16:14<amer>so really sorry
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16:16<amer>I have Fujitsu Siemens Amilo LA 1703 my sound card is VIA high definition but it does't work and my VGA is VIA Chrome9 HC IGP WDDM but I can;t change the resolution
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16:17<bzed>amer: can you please run lspci -v and put the output into a pastebin?
16:17<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
16:18<george>you'll have to coach him thru that probably
16:19<bzed>george: thanks, I'm sure amer will tell us if he has problems with some task
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16:22<amer>sorry but I couldn\t paste on that link
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16:23<amer>SO can I paste here or no
16:23<bzed>amer: no
16:23<bzed>amer: use a pastebin. use another one if the first one doesn't work
16:23<amer>ok witte can u please guide me to the way of pasting
16:23<bzed>amer: you know how to copy it?
16:24<bzed>amer: select the test in a terminal with your mouse
16:24<bzed>amer: open the pastebin page in your browser, click into the alrge textfield using your middle mouse key
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16:24<witte>amer: yes, go to, paste in it, and paste the resulting url here
16:25<bzed>amer: and then click on submit... or however the button is caleld in your pastebin (usually NOT upload)...
16:25<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
16:25<bzed>amer: and link the URL here
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16:25<bzed>gpm: where's a troll here?
16:25<gpm>i just don't get how you can be confused by a pastebin
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16:26<george>gpm: what part of "first experience" don't you understand? first irc, first debian
16:26<amer>thanks bzed
16:26<gpm>some things are just intuitive
16:26<gpm>i didn't need a guide on how to use a pastebin, especially when a factoid was fed to me
16:27<george>you've never taught a computer literacy course
16:27<bzed>gpm: nice, you're the best here.
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16:27<gpm>i'm not trying to be a jerk.
16:27<gpm>i guess i just am one.
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16:27<amer>ok gpm thanks I got ur point u r a geek
16:27<gpm>why thank you
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16:28<george>amer: don't be too fast to judge; you don't see what anyone goes thru all day sitting here helping people
16:29<gpm>i didn't mean to give a hard time. just letting off some steam.
16:29<amer>I know george really thanks to you all don't get me wrong
16:29<gpm>eh, let's just drop. i'm sorry i did that.
16:29<gpm>drop it, i mean.
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16:29<amer>but I was really bist off with my sound card
16:29[~]witte is happy that everyone is friends again :-)
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16:30<fancylad>does anyone know if you can configure a logical nic (ie eth0:1) to use dhcp?
16:30<gpm>fancylad: of course.
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16:30<gpm>oh wait
16:30<gpm>i read your question more closely
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16:30<george>you'd do it in interfaces I guess
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16:30<gpm>that's my guess too
16:31<gpm>but i don't really know what a logical nic is
16:31<fancylad>yeah i tried that but it didn't work
16:31<fancylad>is like an alias for your nic
16:31<gpm>but you can make it work with a static ip?
16:31<amer>bzed r u still there
16:31<fancylad>so you can have more than one ip address etc for one physical nic
16:31<gpm>amer: it looks like your card is detected.
16:31<george>when you day didn't work, have you seen any details on why?
16:31<bzed>amer: in theory your soundcard should be supported, but it may be you need a much more recent version of alsa
16:31<gpm>amer: what kernel are you running?
16:32<bzed>fancylad: you usually don;t want to run dhcp on that, except the second interface is in a different vlan
16:32<bzed>fancylad: otherwise the dhcpd will jsut give it the same IP
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16:33<gpm>bzed: why's that? curious.
16:33<george>mac address same probably
16:33<gpm>that's my guess
16:33<gpm>i hate guessing
16:33<fancylad>i guess it won't work as dhcp server responds to the mac
16:33<bzed>fancylad: also you need to take care of the default gateway which is usually presented by dhcp, if you set a default gateway for both interfaces, chances that it just won;t work anymore are pretty good
16:33<bzed>gpm: what george said
16:33<gpm>amer: kernel?
16:34<gpm>cool, i guessed right
16:34<amer>it 2.6-18
16:34<fancylad>yeah my friend just asked me about it. i don't know why he wants to do that anyways
16:34<george>you make guesses all the time...
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16:34<witte>amer: you have a fairly new MB, with a fairly new graphics card, that is why it is not yet fully working
16:34<gpm>and hate it every time
16:34<bzed>amer: run aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-tools
16:34<gpm>then alsamixer
16:34<george>some of them differ in that yu
16:34<george>would check them
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16:35<LightningTH>ok, x11 reconfigured with the nvidia option
16:35<LightningTH>vs nv
16:35<george>is it running that e
16:35<gpm>why must they mute the volume by default?
16:36<LightningTH>at the moment. see if it locks up
16:36<bzed>LightningTH: which card do you have?
16:36<LightningTH>quick Q, being that is a non-free entry, what do i do if i wish to compile a custom kernel?
16:36<LightningTH>bzed: geforce 6800
16:36<george>because it doesn't know what you have the outputs connected to, most likely
16:36<bzed>!tell LightningTH about nvidia_post_etch
16:36<LightningTH>looks to be doing ok so far, did a few things that usually cause an instant lock
16:37<bzed>LightningTH: should work find with your card. also there should be more recent kernels and drivers on
16:37<george>I thought you said randomly :P
16:37<LightningTH>bzed, k. brb baby
16:37<amer>I am sorry guys but how to run that commands
16:38<bzed>amer: open a terminal, become root and run it in there
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16:42<bzed>amer: you need to run it as root
16:42<amer>i did it as a root
16:42<witte>amer: do you have synaptic opened?
16:43<LightningTH>no lockup yet :)
16:43<bzed>if you're using gnome/kde, there should be a root terminal linked somewhere in the menu, or jsut run su in the terminal
16:43<amer>yes it is open
16:43<LightningTH>so if i compile my own kernel i need to grab that source and recompile it against the new kernel
16:43<witte>amer: close it :-), and do it again in the terminal
16:43<bzed>witte: synaptic is a good idea. do you help amer please?
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16:43<george>and unfortunately the "nvidia" driver is binary only
16:44<LightningTH>so you are limited to the kernel then?
16:44<george>not sure.
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16:44<witte>I'll try, but I was only reading half of it, so amer, please bear with me, I am not really aware of all your problems and things you tried
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16:44<amer>It startrd to downlloading sth
16:44<george>you may be limited to a range of kernels... ok coffee and food awaits :)
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16:46<witte>amer: ok, are you runnign debian stable/etch or testing/lenny?
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16:47<witte>amer: ok that was as it should be, now run alsaconf
16:48<amer>it is running now
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16:51<LightningTH>got another question
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16:52<amer>now there is an x near the speaker on the panel
16:53<LightningTH>my asus motherboard has 2 sata controllers, both only allow auto or none to be selected. my sata cdrom, which is physically the 2nd device, swaps between sata 2 and sata 6 to linux. this of course screws up lilo during boot and the other common boot loader fails to boot but gets in an infinite loop. why are the id's swapping to linux yet other OS's never have trouble, and why does it see my sata drive then throw read errors (as ther
16:53<witte>amer: can you open a mixer (as normal user) kmix, aumix, or an other one
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16:54<witte>amer: i do not know how that for you would look like (the x next to the speaker), i do not use gnome or kde
16:54<amer>sorry it is an error sign
16:55<witte>amer: can you open a mixer.
16:55<amer>no sorry i cant
16:56<witte>amer: why not? you don't have one, or there is an error
16:56<amer>no I don't get what u mean by mixer
16:57<witte>amer: it would help if you try to describe the problems you have, I do not see what is on your screen and I can't read someone else's minds at such a distance
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16:57<witte>amer: oh; type in a terminal (as normal user) kmix
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16:57<witte>and if that does not work aumix
16:57<witte>and if that does not work, aptitude install aumix
16:58<amer>ok I am installing aumix
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16:59<amer>aumix is runing now witte what do u want me to do
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16:59<witte>amer: aumix is a sound level controller
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17:00<Cosmo^>it might be easier to get aumix-gtk
17:00<Cosmo^>if you're in X
17:00<witte>the first two bars should be somewhere to the right
17:00<witte>Cosmo^: yeah, maybe, or kmix, but they are in principle all the same
17:00<amer>they are already to the right
17:01<witte>amer: ok ,that means that there should be sound, if everything is configured alright
17:01<witte>can you just try to open a song or whatever sound thing?
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17:01<amer>I have just tried a song but no sound:(
17:02<Cosmo^>make sure the media player isn't trying to use OSS
17:02<witte>amer: do you get an error
17:02<Cosmo^>i had this issue earlier with XMMS
17:03<amer>ok thanks anyway guys I have to go now I will back in half an hour if u don't mind
17:03<amer>thanks again
17:03<witte>no problem
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17:03<ejs>does anyone know whether there is a specific debian/nslu2 channel?
17:06<LightningTH>i have a few partitions on my machine. how do i allow a normal user to mount?
17:06<LightningTH>instead of requiring root
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17:08<bzed>LightningTH: man mount ;)
17:09<bzed>LightningTH: you search for the user option
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17:11<gass>hello there
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17:11<gass>does bluetooth omes activated by default in debian?
17:11<gass>executing hciconfig i get no devices
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17:13<LightningTH>i set fstab to have defaults,user for each partition
17:13<george>so you add users and they can then unmount the partition :)
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17:14<george>well ok, you may never add users... but still, unix is born to do multiuser
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17:18<blarson>ejs: #debian-arm would be appropriate
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17:21<ejs>blarson: thanks much, I'll try there.
17:21<hub>How can Update Gnome to 2.2 in Debian ?
17:22<gass>hub, update gnome to 2.2?
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17:22<george>you have at least three choices
17:22<gass>hub, cat /etc/debian_version
17:22<george>(1) you can find a dist of debian that has 2.2 in it
17:22<gass>george, he has ancient debian version
17:22<gass>hub, oh ... 2.20 you mean
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17:23<hub>No i mean the Desktop > Gnome <
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17:23<witte>hub: debian has 2.18 in unstable
17:23[~]xota re!
17:23<hub>How i can install this ?
17:24<witte>hub: if you want 2.20, you will have to download and compile it yourself
17:24<george>hub: oh wait, you don't have that particular choice because no dist of debian has that
17:24<hub>i can only install stable, right ?
17:24<witte>hub: that could be not quite easy
17:24<george>hub: moreorless yes
17:24<george>so choice (1) is out...
17:24<Eulex>hub, if you do not have any special reason (other than 'new is shiny'), stick with the one in stable.
17:24<george>(2) you could look at to see what they have
17:25<witte>hub: depends on your skills with linux, and ymmv
17:25<george>and (3) is what witte already said: you can obtain the sources and build it yourself
17:25<witte>george: (2) is also out
17:25<george>he can still look :)
17:25<hub>Thanks your Help helped me ...
17:25<hub>your all help... i mean :)
17:26<witte>george: they won't backport what is not yet in unstable
17:26<witte>hub, you could have a look at debian experimental
17:26<george>maybe he finds something there that's not quite 2.20 and try it
17:26<george>at your peril tho. back up all your hds in any box where you try experimental
17:26<hub>I found this on Stable§ion=all
17:26<witte>but that is something experimental :-), so you probably would not want that
17:27<hub>and that the§ion=all unstabel but is not 2.2
17:27<witte>hub: yes, 2.14 for stable and testing 2.18 for unstable
17:27<george>it's also not 2.20 :)
17:28<hub>its Unstable aceptable to Use or wat you mean?
17:28<george>which is the same in numbers but could be different when it's used to denote versions
17:28<dpkg>it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>.
17:29<george>unstable... well you can use it if you want, people here can decide not to answer questions about unstable.... more likely same people will not yet know the answer
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17:29<george>so if you're ok with solving your own problems...
17:30<george>or BETTER:
17:30<witte>hub: if you ask these questions, most likely you do not want unstable (as you will need to solve a lot more problems)
17:30<hub>Ok,But wat is the Diffrent : Gnome 2.14 Gnome 2.2 ? is there diffrent who is Important ?
17:31<george>if you would be willing to try it on a spare machine which has no data you care about and you are using it -specifically- to find, report and possibly include solutions...
17:31<hub>Is this unimportant ?
17:31<witte>hub: gnome 2.2 is ancient (5 years or so?) and 2.14 is relatively old (1 year or so), Gnome 2.20 is brand new
17:32<hub>...and have more Function
17:32<witte>hub: what does your current gnome lack?
17:32<george>in any case tho, if you put unstable on a machine where NO hds have ANY data you care about AND you don't do ANY real work with it...
17:32<george>that's totally valid
17:33<hub>Yes agrees
17:33<george>I'd even go so far as to recommend that as a way to see what's next in debian
17:33<hub>i understand
17:33<george>but things get tried and packaged and possibly thrown out... so some things you see might not make it into the next stable or testing
17:34<hub>Ok thanks a lot.
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17:52<iamtravis>\001\036<lj\377\231\2504\2038$\241\244\362\021Z\323\030\215\274\304>@\007\244(\324\030H\376 was just in my exim4 paniclog and is gone now for some reason - is this an exploit or something? - i got a notification that paniclog was unempty so i looked at it but can't figure it out
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17:53<iamtravis>there were other lines in there like a couple for rejection for root, sending info before seeing the HELO greeting, and one from an address from <>
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17:53<bzed>iamtravis: that looks liks an email addy with chinese/whatever letters in it...
17:54<iamtravis>ah ha, i've been getting scanned by some chinese addresses in the last couple days.. i did a google on the whois return and there was a couple security focus posts about them trying to break into high-security sites
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17:54<iamtravis>i turned off exim4 via /etc/init.d/exim4 stop, hope that gets rid of that for them
17:54<bzed>iamtravis: no clue about exim's way to handle the paniclog, though
17:55<complexity>anybody have good experience with conky?
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17:55<bzed>iamtravis: but I could imagine that it'll be rotatet when you restart exim
17:55<george>whats a conky
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17:56<complexity>I upgraded from Ubuntu Feisty to Gutsy. I just copied over my conkyrc file. Now I have linkstatus for eth1 not reporting. It just has "${linkstatus}" on the screen
17:56<bzed>complexity: ubuntu? please go to #ubuntu or #hell.
17:56<george>so, before we go any further...
17:57<george>when will you upgrade to debian?
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17:57<complexity>skipping hell, going straight to ubuntu
17:57<bzed>complexity: probably on a different server, though. no clue.
17:57<bzed>complexity: I recommend the debian installer.
17:57<george>know that ubuntu comes from the very depths of the hell you are probably referring to
17:58<iamtravis>for the /usr/sbin/exim4 program i chmod'd the default to o-rx , just because i didn't know if that was needed or not (in the case of somebody from the net using it), i don't know if that would cause a panic or not
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17:58<complexity>IMO Gutsy is a great distro
17:58<witte>george: knowing that ubuntu comes straight from debian, that could be a not so good expression :P
17:58<bzed>iamtravis: eh, that doesn;t make a difference, you have to make sure it is not running
17:58<george>complexity: I have no doubt of that because I also have no experience with it :)
17:58<iamtravis>the only email i had tried to send through it, aside from a couple system processes, was one from a subnet address, but it sure wasn't hotmail
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17:59<george>you catch on quick, eh witte? :)
17:59<complexity>:( no responses in those two channels
17:59<complexity>hardly anyone there
17:59<bzed>iamtravis: if you server is exposed to the net you'll get spammers trying to connect to it...
17:59<complexity>#ubuntu is usually packed
17:59<bzed>complexity: try #ubuntu on freenote
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18:00<george>complexity: but... if you have a spare machine, your question -could- become debian related...
18:01<george>call it a loophole... if you were to install debian on that spare machine and make your questions about that installation, you can ask here.
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18:01<iamtravis>i don't know how they'd know it's even up since the scans i did my router wouldn't let anybody through and my computers set to drop all packets
18:01<george>once you get the answer, you may have to modify it to fit the ubuntu thing
18:02<iamtravis>or even know that i have a computer on the net
18:02<chealer>george: no, this is a Debian support channel.
18:02<george>chealer: and I am giving him a way of gaining help here.
18:02<george>which is totally, completely and unequivicably legitimate
18:02<chealer>george: this is not the place for Ubuntu support.
18:03<george>see above
18:03<chealer>george: see above yourself
18:04<george>as long as he makes the questions about his DEBIAN install and he does HIS OWN work OUT of here to apply it "elsewhere", it's legit.
18:04<iamtravis>i don't have anything to hide here, but i don't want anybody to be sending spam mail from my computer or using my computer to crack passwords for them or launch attacks on other places to pin on me
18:05<george>iamtravis: you know what the ultimate solution to that is?
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18:05<chealer>george: no
18:06<george>how is it not?
18:06<chealer>george: as I wrote, this is a Debian support channel.
18:06<Larks>anyone know this? apt-get[3360]: segfault at 00002b45b133b000 rip 00002b3fb09c4d0d rsp 00007ffffa23bad0 error 4
18:06<george>I contend it is. and I'll back up that contention with legal action
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18:07<george>(should that be necessary of course)
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18:08<george>I'm not kidding, if you challenge, I'll hit VERY hard
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18:09<Larks> apt-get[3360]: segfault at 00002b45b133b000 rip 00002b3fb09c4d0d rsp 00007ffffa23bad0 error 4, anyone?
18:09<iamtravis>well i don't want to unplug my network connection george :p
18:10<george>iamtravis: heyy, you guessed it :)
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18:10<iamtravis>there's lots of good info to look at on the net when you don't gotta worry about somebody trying to break in all the time
18:10<bzed>iamtravis: make your exim not listen on interfaces to the outside?
18:10<valdyn>Larks: that's not useful to understand anything, if it wasn't for the fact that apt-get is less likely to be broken than your computer
18:10<iamtravis>it's the default debian install.. would that be like that?
18:11<valdyn>Larks: use debsums, check your own computer ( memtest86 or whatever )
18:11<george>chealer: now having said all that, it doesn't look like he wants to do that... so his request would be invalid
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18:11<witte>Larks: are you running unstable: apt is being upgraded during the last few days
18:11<bzed>iamtravis: no clue :)
18:11<Larks>valdyn: memtest86 won't run on sata cdrom.
18:11<ZeiP>I need to have two fixed IP's on the same physical Ethernet connection. It seems to be working with eth0 and eth0:0, but for some reason all outgoing traffic is with the IP set to eth0:0 – should be with the other one. What should I do for this to work properly?
18:11<valdyn>Larks: nonsense
18:11<bzed>george: don't discuss with chealer, he's a troll
18:11<Larks>witte: running debian stable.
18:11<george>no, he's a helper
18:12<chealer>bzed: stop that
18:12<bzed>Larks: just install it in an installed system and boot it using grub
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18:12<Larks>bzed: it won't boot, says won't load into memory
18:12<iamtravis>alright, i'll get on google and look around, exim4 seems like a good program to have running to invest some time in learning about
18:12<bzed>chealer: no :)
18:12<bzed>Larks: that's weird
18:12<Larks>bzed: so I made cd from iso, won't boot from that
18:12<chealer>bzed: well, that was your last chance
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18:13<george>but he needs to understand that you can't deny help to people that have debian even if they intend to apply the knowledge elsewhere... the reason for that will be found if you follow that kind of thinking to many possible logical conclusions
18:13<valdyn>ZeiP: set up routing appropriately or bind the program that is sending over the "wrong interface" to the right ip
18:13<Larks>I have tried several things.
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18:13<Larks>Maybe if someone is willing to spend a minute, I will explain the hardware. Maybe there are obvious incompat's?
18:13<bzed>george: he even needs to post to lists and the bts with different names and mail addies....
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18:14<bzed>Larks: which kind of cpu do you have in there?
18:14<Larks>on a gigabyte GA-p35-Dq6
18:14<george>one logical conclusion being, it's an unnecessary burden on the ops to have to remember anyone (and possibly their site) who ever once tried to get help with another dist
18:14<bzed>Larks: uh.. that sounds like some intel core2duo?
18:14<Larks>intel core2quad
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18:15<Larks>thats the memory
18:16<Larks>mushkin XP2-8500
18:16<Larks>seems to work
18:16<bzed>Larks: which output do you get if you try to boot memtest86?
18:16<Larks>from cd or from grub?
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18:16<Larks>grub gives cannot load into memory
18:17<Larks>cd just halts at "Loading........"
18:17<george>do you have ram on each of the cores?
18:17<Larks>which I think is actually a message from by bios, not the cd. But not sure.
18:17<Larks>george: what do you mean? I have 2 sticks
18:17<Larks>1GB each.
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18:17<Larks>there are 4 ddr2 slots
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18:17<Larks>im in slots 1 and 3
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18:17<Larks>per mb instructions.
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18:18<Larks>the system is not dead, I have installed debian, and used it for a month or two.
18:18<Larks>It however seems to have intermittent problems
18:18<bzed>Larks: << there's a point about booting it using grub. seems you've hit that problem
18:18<Larks>crashes etc.
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18:18<george>ok, I'm not sure this applies to you, but I'll run it out anyway... I have an amd64x2, and the instructions said there are two channels, and 2 ramslots per channel,,, and I ought to balance the ram in the channels
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18:19<cwood>These apt, aptitude bugs in the latest update. Is anybody beyond the bug filers having any problems with these versions?
18:19<bzed>Larks: you can try to run memtest on the running system. won;t be able to test all emmory then, byt better than nothing
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18:19<george>so if you have four cores, does that mean you have four ram "channels"?
18:19<bzed>george: you need to use the slots as described in your mainboard manual
18:20<george>which I finally found yesterday
18:20<bzed>george: actually I'm not sure how the amd quadcores access ram
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18:20<Larks>bzed: I have installed it on the system, however I cannot reinstall because of apt-get issues.
18:20<george>same here
18:20<george>but it works...
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18:21<Aleric>cwood: What does your nick come from?
18:21<chealer>cwood: which ones?
18:21<bzed>Larks: Larks can you run strace -o /tmp/apt-get_strace-vfF apt-get .....
18:21<cwood>chealer: 445269, 447960, 448406.
18:21<cwood>Aleric: my name, why?
18:22<bzed>Larks: strace -o /tmp/apt-get_strace -vfF apt-get .....
18:22<bzed>there was a space missing
18:22<bzed>then post /tmp/apt-get_strace into a pastebin
18:23<Larks>I think I set up pastebin before can you msg bot for me?
18:23<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: or or or for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe
18:23<bzed>Larks: ^^
18:23<Larks>ty, working on it.
18:23<chealer>cwood: how is #445269 from the latest update?
18:23<george>let's see what that pastebin pipe is about
18:23<george>!pastebin pipe
18:23<dpkg>Download and aptitude install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
18:24<witte>!tell george about selftell
18:24<stan_ley>Q: Can you specify more than one command for ~/.mplayer/input.conf ?
18:25<cwood>Hm, sorry. That one isn't. But the enosys thing raises an eyebrow. (Haven't updated in a bit.)
18:25<george>stan_ley: if not then you could write a shell script
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18:26<Larks>bzed: wow, that time it installed.
18:26<chealer>cwood: why not asking on the report first?
18:26<Larks>i will see if I can boot from it
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18:26<bzed>Larks: heh, the usual feature... you run something in strace and it doesn't fail...
18:26<stan_ley>george: easier said than done, for me that is.
18:27<Larks>bzed: yah crazy.
18:27<george>stan_ley: all you have to do is put the commands you'd otherwise type, one per line, into a text file
18:27<george>then insert a line at the top: #!/bin/bash
18:27<george>then use chmod to make it executable
18:28<stan_ley>george: oh, no no. thats not what im talking about
18:28<george>you want to put more than one command into a file, right?
18:28<george>more than one... shell command?
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18:28<stan_ley>george: in mplayer, there is a input.conf file that you can specify an action in mplayer windows when certain keys are clicked
18:28<bzed>Larks: common feature for a lot of OSes... enjoyed the same weirdness on solaris using truss often enough...
18:29<george>give me one example of an action
18:29<stan_ley>i check mplayer irc, they said there might have been a patch
18:29<cwood>Asking on the report? Because this is a channel of people using Debian right now, so a quick poll may gain more immediate results here.
18:29<Larks>bzed: Error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory
18:30<Larks>kernel /memtest86+.bin
18:30<Larks>but actually, shouldn't that be /boot/memtest86+.bin ?
18:30<chealer>this is not a development channel. ask on the report, or clarify why you want to know.
18:30<george>well that depends on whether there is a separate /boot
18:33<bzed>Larks: booting from floppy seems to work
18:33<bzed>Larks: if you dd/cat it on it
18:33<Larks>yah, no floppy though :(
18:33<Larks>I had run across this bug before, but thought it was old.
18:33<Larks>Jan 07
18:34<Larks>maybe I can canobolize an old server around here.
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18:35<Larks>this ELF executable fix might work for me though.
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18:36<lingling>ca va bien ?
18:36<chealer>!tell lingling about fr
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18:37<lingling>about what ?
18:37<lingling>fr Rulez :)
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18:38<lingling>some people told me that gentoo is better ? is that right ?
18:38<Hideo_Kuze>go away, troll
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18:38<chealer>lingling: see the factoid that dpkg sent you.
18:38<george>lingling: it's your choice... mostly it's english spoken here... if you'd prefer french, look at your messages
18:38<chealer>lingling: depends on what it's used for.
18:38<Larks>bzed: how would I apply that patch? search for that in source, or is there an easier way to apply patch?
18:39<Hideo_Kuze>he goes to an english debian channel, intentionally speaks french and then says gentoo is better
18:39<george>lingling: again, that's your choice too... to make an informed choice, I would suggest you try it and see
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18:39<chealer>Hideo_Kuze: he didn't, he asked if it was the case.
18:39<george>Hideo_Kuze: and so the answer is to make sure he knows the choices he has and let him pick
18:40<lingling>thank you dpkg for the info , i am sorry i am a new user of irc
18:40<dpkg>de nada, lingling
18:40<lingling>spanish bot :s
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18:41<george>thank you dpkg!
18:41<dpkg>george: de rien
18:41<george>hmm, not all the time...
18:41<boot>how can find more details about switch attack
18:41<lingling>lol now it s french :s
18:41<lingling>ok i ve tried gentoo and debian and i think gentoo is more customisable
18:41<lingling>with emerge
18:42<lingling>because aptitude just download binaries
18:42<boot>someone know about switch attack ?
18:42<jagerman>lingling: Customisability is not an end in itself.
18:42<george>lingling: that works on the ports system... while debian doesn't have ports, it does have compilers and make... so you can get any sources you want and try to build them
18:43<jagerman>lingling: For example, a lock with 17 different ways to insert the key might not be any more useful to me than a lock with a single way to insert the key.
18:43<lingling>jagerman: I agree with you but it s a main part of an os isn't it ?
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18:43<george>also debian has sources for everything (well, everything in the main part of debian) and you can get everything you need to build those into packages which you then install
18:44<jagerman>lingling: My point is, there's a point beyond which being "customizable" is a real pain in the ass. If you want an example, do an emerge -pv php
18:44<Hideo_Kuze>lol, this is like people who goes on irc and says "linux sucks!!!!"
18:44<jagerman>It'll spend you longer just to sort out all the use flags than it would to simple install them all in Debian.
18:44<saltmiser>ew are you guys talking about gentoo
18:44<Hideo_Kuze>then you guys all clamoring to defend it
18:44<george>lingling, it's easy to do and in fact this is how debian automatically tests all their packages
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18:44<lingling>yes linux sucks it is right
18:44<lingling>BSD RULEZ
18:44<saltmiser>gentoo's too freaking bleeding edge....
18:44[~]saltmiser hugs lenny
18:44<Hideo_Kuze>told you he was a troll ;)
18:45<jagerman>Hideo_Kuze: The best way to deal with trolls is to remain rational.
18:45<lingling>yes remain rational
18:45<Hideo_Kuze>and not reply to their bs
18:45<jagerman>It takes all the fun out of it for them.
18:45<lingling>you know that BSD is better thab linux
18:45<george>I'm not defending anything :P I'm just elaborating on his choices, and saying that gentoo isnt' the only thing on the planet that can build things
18:45<Hideo_Kuze>man you guys fell for it from the get go
18:45<jagerman>lingling: See, now it's just plain boring trolling. At least your Gentoo vs. Debian comment used some argument.
18:46<saltmiser>george, freebsd? :P
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18:46<george>Hideo_Kuze: so... how does what you're doing now by your own definition? :)
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18:46<george>err argh :P try that one again
18:46<Hideo_Kuze>I wasn't talking to him, I was telling you guys to stay off
18:46<Hideo_Kuze>and you fell
18:46<george>Hideo_Kuze: so... how does what you're doing now fail to be trolling by your own definition? :)
18:47<lingling>in linux kernel you can find crapy source code such as embeded macros
18:47<lingling>maybe my little sister coded it
18:47<Hideo_Kuze>george: well how about you keep talking, b/c this convo is over for me
18:47<lingling>when she was 12
18:47<george>Hideo_Kuze: however... it's clear now that you're correct
18:47<lingling>and begun to develop
18:47<lingling>Come on guys Im not trolling
18:47<lingling>I just tell you the truth
18:48<lingling> BSD > LINUX
18:48<george>lingling: talk to the hand
18:48<lingling>talk to the wall is more appropriate ;)
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18:48<saltmiser>lingling has a point...but I don't use freebsd on my desktop because usb seems to run slow in it :/
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18:49<petemc>he doesnt have a point
18:49<lingling>in fact BSD for a desktop use it s ok
18:49<lingling>They just put the X server in a jail
18:49<lingling>because it s a bit unsecure
18:49<saltmiser>I ran freebsd + kde for a long long time, then I stopped because I don't remember why but I was getting annoyed with something I used a lot
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18:50<george>lingling: I used to like lingling potstickers
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18:50<lingling>sorry can you tell me what a postickers is i don't want to use a dictionnary :P
18:50<george>not my problem
18:51<lingling>I love you too ;)
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18:51<dpkg>Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.
18:51<george>gpm: this time you're absolutely right
18:51<lingling>Unfortunatelly it's not a troll
18:51<dpkg>somebody said troll was [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity.
18:52<lingling>Gentoo ? good : 1 , 1
18:52<dpkg>well, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also or ask me about 'greenhouse'. or rice rice rice rice, or
18:52<lingling>Debian ? bad : 1 , 1
18:52<jagerman>They probably all just got out of church and are itching to annoy someone.
18:52<saltmiser>there is no god >_>
18:52<lingling>erf whatever it s your choice to use a bad os
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18:52<lingling>at least use Vista
18:52<petemc>lingling: this is a debian support channel, if you dont require help with debian than this really isnt the place for you
18:53<lingling>it s better
18:53<lingling>i want some help
18:53<DeepDayze>debian is better than vista
18:53<DeepDayze>far better
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18:53<DeepDayze>trolls don't belong in here...they get STOMPED on instead
18:53<bzed>Larks: boot from floppy
18:53[~]gpm waits anxiously for lingling's actual question
18:53<lingling>hothx jagerman ;) i nedd help
18:53<bzed>Larks: you don;t wannt try that patch :)
18:53<george>just ignore, then no op action is necessary
18:54<andax>how do I tell postfix to use a specific IP address to send out mail on a multihomed box but accept them on any interface?
18:54<andax>sorry if this is the wrong channel for asking this
18:54<lingling>before asking andax you should say hello first ;)
18:54<DeepDayze>when trolls take over a channel, its a must to dump the troll to protect the uiser
18:54<andax>hello to all :)
18:54[~]saltmiser should start #troll
18:54<DeepDayze>hello andax :)
18:54<lingling>Stop with this world please
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18:54<lingling>word :s
18:55<DeepDayze>the world is coming to an end
18:55<lingling>yep because of debian users :s
18:55<george>and the word is coming to us
18:55<saltmiser>global warming is a myth
18:55<lingling>and vista of course
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18:55<andax>lingling, if everyone entering and leaving would say a hello the channel would be flooded with hello and bye messages so i decided to just ask... sorry about that.
18:55<DeepDayze>debian is the messiah
18:55<jagerman>saltmiser: Just like evolution.
18:55<andax>bzed, thanks
18:55<DeepDayze>of linux that is
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18:55<saltmiser>jagerman, no, isn't mars getting hotter too
18:56<lingling>andax: No problem but if you were a gentoo users you'll say hello all , and i insist on the comma ant then in the same sentence you ask ....
18:56<lingling>like this you avoid flood
18:56|-|mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by Maulkin
18:56<lingling>but i understand
18:56|-|mode/#debian [-SMlin] by Maulkin
18:56<lingling>yep it s me
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18:57<Hideo_Kuze>boot him
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18:57<lingling>i dont know if irss is better than bitchx ?
18:57<saltmiser>irssi ftw
18:57<jagerman>Maulkin: You forgot to remove the troll :(
18:58<george>yeah, he won't stop
18:58<Maulkin>jagerman: I can do that without ops. However, they're being quiet now.
18:58<lingling>and Emacs ? because Vim begins to boring me
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18:58<Maulkin>Anyway: please keep this channel on topic for Debain support
18:58<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
18:58<Maulkin>Random chant can go to #moocows
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18:59<george>(non-random chant :)
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18:59<DeepDayze>all hail to debian...the messiah of Linux :D
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18:59<andax>bzed, thank you, it's working perfectly.
18:59<lingling>No one to play :( aptitude -purge Debian is that possible ?
18:59<bzed>andax: you're welcome
18:59<Maulkin>chat/chant/whatever :)
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19:00<DeepDayze>Debian is what other distros get judged by...take no pretenders :P
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19:00<Hideo_Kuze>thanks weasel
19:00<andax>bye all thanks for the support :)
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19:00<DeepDayze>who is that lingling dude? another butt?
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19:01<george>DeepDayze: probably better to just calm down... he's silenced, but even so, i'
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19:01<george>t isn't a good idea to rile him or anyone
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19:02<DanDare>that´s new
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19:03<abrotman>he works for ibm?
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19:04<george>abrotman: who works for ibm?
19:05<george>he's talking from a printer? :)
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19:05<george>oh, misread bi01pt1 as lpt1
19:05[~]gpm needs a new printer :(
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19:05<gpm>lol, yeah they look similar
19:07<george>in fact I misread it as @lpt1
19:07<witte>george: more coffee?
19:07<jagerman>Or less coffee
19:07<george>coffee :)
19:07<witte>jagerman: less is never an option
19:07[~]witte takes another cup :-)
19:08<george>I'm struggling here :P I usually wake up at 5:30 am, but last nite didn't go to bed until 4:30
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19:08<george>played bass straight through from like 8 pm to about 2:30 am
19:09<Larks>Can someone tell me how to apply the patch found
19:09<Larks>Is there a way to patch with gcc?
19:09<george>Larks: first look at the patch, you'll see a path
19:09<george>no. gcc does not apply patches; patch does.
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19:10<Larks>george: I changed the file to the patch, and it won't compile.
19:10<Larks>so I thought I must be doing something wrong
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19:11<george>well the first thing I notice about that patch is it only changes one line
19:12<Larks>yah ;)
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19:12<Larks>I will just do that
19:12<Larks>took me a minute to understand how diff works and how patches are applied
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19:12<george>if you look really closely... it only adds one char :)
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19:13<Larks>after building I should just be able to copy the "memtest" file to the /boot dir correct?
19:13<george>Larks: one thing that you can do to understand patch and diff more completely is to create your own dummy test files, put them in a dir, say we call it test1
19:13<george>then copy that whole dir to test1
19:13<george>then copy that whole dir to test2
19:14<george>so now you have two dirs, test1 and test2 (siblings)
19:14<Larks>george: thanks, note taken.
19:14<george>then change a file in test2
19:14<Larks>I am guessing the - takes away the line, and the + adds one :)
19:15<george>yes, exactly... but there is more available to understand
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19:16<george>see what you can do with diff to produce a patch file which is the difference between the two dirs
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19:16<george>then look at the patch file carefully and see what you make of it
19:17<george>enough research on your part in this direction will make patch and diff yours
19:17<guterm>help: where can I find debian-multimedia packages for sarge?
19:17<george>sarge is getting old... but you can /msg dpkg marillat
19:18<george>and follow links there to explanitory material
19:18<guterm>george: xebian (xbox debian) is still on sarge
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19:19<george>then someone hasn't been workin :)
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19:20<guterm>george: it's gone from official storage and mirrors, and page on debian-multimedia says that sarge packages are removed :-(
19:21<george>maybe xebian repos have it, or maybe debian-multimedia are archived somewhere
19:21<guterm>that's my hope, spent last 2 days googling around
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19:21<george>or maybe the source of what you want is available, maybe even debianized... and you can build it yourself
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19:22<guterm>george: the problem is that xorg does not support xbox nvidia chipset, so migration to etch is out of question for me
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19:22<george>what chipset would that be
19:23<guterm>NVIDIA device id: 02a5
19:23<Larks>it works!
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19:24<Larks>now I have to figure out how to interpret the results.
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19:26<george>guterm: take a look at this (I searched google for "NVIDIA device id: 02a5"):
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19:27<Larks>Does anyone use memtest86? I am getting a lot of red numbers... I think thats bad.
19:27<chealer>Larks: nah, it's just in Debian for fun.
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19:30<Larks>well is there a howto or something?
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19:31<eswenson>Sorry for the newbie question, but I just installed gcc on my new debian distro on my linksys nslu2, and don't have stdio.h (for example) in my /usr/include. Do I have to install another pkg to get the headers for libc?
19:31<chealer>Larks: unless you need to do something specific, you just start it.
19:32<eswenson>I've found: /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnu/4.1.2/include/ssp/stdio.h, but the other headers I would expect don't appear to be in containing directory, so this is probably the wrong place.
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19:33<Larks>chealer: yah but what do the results mean? It appears that every address is bad, but I know this cannot be the case.
19:33<chealer>eswenson: yes
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19:34<chealer>Larks: I'm not seeing the results. if there's an error, at least part of your RAM must be bad.
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19:35<valdyn>Larks: why cant it be?
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19:35<Larks>valdyn: the system runs, and performs fairly well.
19:35<Larks>valdyn: just intermitent errors
19:35<valdyn>Larks: that means nothing
19:36<valdyn>Larks: your system does not use most of your ram
19:36<Larks>valdyn: ok, well thats what I need to know
19:36<salvato>someone uses enlightenment ?
19:36<Larks>valdyn: true
19:36<Larks>salvato: I used to use it.
19:36<Larks>valdyn: the red scrolling numbers is bad correct?
19:36<valdyn>Larks: i.e. you could have just 1% broken, which would give random segfaults and probably nothing big at all
19:36<valdyn>Larks: iirc yes
19:37<Larks>valdyn: Ok ill just test 1 stick at a time.
19:37<salvato>Larks, How get make some transparent terminal ?
19:37<valdyn>Larks: but memtest lising half a million faulty addresses would suddenly make it look huge ;)
19:38<Larks>salvato: what terminal program you use? eterm is a good one.
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19:39<salvato>Larks, yes eterm, but not get Leave it transparent
19:40<Larks>change the menu to run "Eterm --trans"
19:40<Larks>I think thats how.
19:40<salvato>Larks, not get set wallpaper by Esetroot, what happens ?
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19:40<Larks>sorry, but now for me you are talking German, and I am not German
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19:41<bzed>Larks: that's clearly not german!
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19:42<anibal_>eswenson: apt-get update; apt-get install libc6-dev
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19:43<salvato>Larks, he insists , is not trasnparent, you know by other terminal ?
19:44<usr00>hola usr01
19:44<usr01>que haces
19:44<usr01>que configuras
19:45<salvato>usr00, fale em ingles
19:45<usr00>la instalacion
19:45<usr01>que instalacion
19:45<salvato>usr00, nao sua duvida
19:46<salvato>usr00, your question
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19:49<salvato>Larks, ?
19:49<eswenson>thanks, anibal_. I'm trying it now.
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19:53<Larks>salvato: sorry, one keyboard, to computers..
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19:53<Larks>anyway, run eterm with the --trans option I think
19:54<abrotman>last i knew .. Eterm wasn't truly transparent
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19:57<salvato>Larks, i tried, but he is not transparent
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19:57<eswenson>anibal_: worked like a champ. Thanks.
19:57<Larks>salvato: short how-to
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20:00<anibal_>eswenson, np
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20:09<HaryPotrOwnsU>how would i go about installing dhclient on my system?
20:10<HaryPotrOwnsU>i can only seem to find an rpm
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20:11<petemc>you should have it already
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20:13<dasenjo>Hi, I'm trying to use ntfs-3g on my debian stable, the module says me that needs a newer kernel, so I decided to install 2.6.22 from .. I tried with the -k7 and with the -486, but both give the message "Waiting for root file system" ... can you help me?
20:17<HaryPotrOwnsU>petemc i dont already have it
20:17<HaryPotrOwnsU>i still need to install dhclient
20:17<petemc>how did you install debian?
20:17<HaryPotrOwnsU>different pc
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20:19<HaryPotrOwnsU>i'm connect from a different computer
20:19<Nemoder>HaryPotrOwnsU: apt-get install dhcp-client
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20:20<dasenjo>Is there anybody in there?
20:21<anibal_>HaryPotrOwnsU: apt-get update; apt-get install dhcp3-client
20:21<petemc>dasenjo: did you generate initrds for the new kernels?
20:21<anibal_>HaryPotrOwnsU, alternatively: apt-get update; apt-get install pump
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20:23<dasenjo>petemc, no, I thought dpkg configured them ...
20:23<lubos>hello, is it possible to disable right-click on the desktop when using fluxbox as a desktop manager? thank you
20:24<witte>lubos: you could buy an apple mouse :P
20:25<dasenjo>dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22-2-486 ... -> Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk.
20:25<dasenjo>Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled
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20:25<dasenjo>I'm not sure about waht is happening ..
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20:26<lubos>witte: :-)) good one :-)
20:26<george>!pastebin pipe
20:26<dpkg>Download and aptitude install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl
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20:27<petemc>dasenjo: check the initrds are in /boot/ and they are in /boot/grub/menu.lst
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20:31<dasenjo>petemc: in the menu.lst the initrd are /initrd... in the / do exist the symlinks to /boot but just for initrd.img and initrd.img.old
20:32<dasenjo>uhmmm .. that could be the problem since the menu.lst lines have the complete name: /initrd.img-2.6.22-2-486
20:33<dasenjo>so, is it a better solution to create the symlinks in the / than modify the menu.lst, right?
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20:39<chealer>HaryPotrOwnsU: which Debian suite do you use?
20:39<dasenjo>petemc: thanks a lot .. you gave me an idea to work on, the bad part is that I can't reboot right now .. :s
20:43<george>dasenjo: might be better in your grub config that you pick the initrd image from /boot... that way the stanza always gets the exact initrd you picked (same goes for the kernel itself)
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20:46<dasenjo>george: I see ... ok I'll take it on account ..
20:46<eswenson>I've installed debian on an nslu2 with a 120GB hard disk. But stupidly, made the root partition too small (1GB). Is there any way to resize the partitions (decreasing one and increasing root)? I don't have much spaced used on my larger (non-root) partition.
20:47<george>dasenjo: that way you specifically choose exactly what gets booted when you pick a particular grub menu item
20:47<witte>eswenson: 1 GB is enough if you put /usr and /var somewhere else
20:48<witte>eswenson: and home of course
20:48<eswenson>witte: I have /home on the large partition, but /usr and /var are on root.
20:48<witte>eswenson: you can also try (g) parted
20:49<witte>eswenson: you have 1 GB for /, /usr, /var and 119 GB for /home?
20:49<eswenson>I guess I can mv /home /u01; mkdir /u01/home; ln -s /u01/home /home; mkdir /u01/usr; mkdir /u01/var; and then move /usr and /var to /u01/xxx.
20:49<eswenson>Yes, I know, I'm an idiot. I have 1GB for everything except /home. And 119GB for /home.
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20:50<witte>eswenson: if this is a new install, I would try to resize the partitions
20:50<witte>if it fails, just start over
20:50<george>eswenson: you could convert that big partition to lvm, then convert the rest to lvm over time... once you do that, then resizing partitions gets easier
20:51<witte>!tell eswenson about ext2resize
20:51<george>but you need to understand how lvm works first
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20:51<eswenson>Not sure I understand what you mean, re: "if this is a new install". I've installed, (recently), but I've done a ton of package installation and customizations.
20:52<witte>eswenson: i meant if it is very new, and not a lot of trouble putting it back in the state it is
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20:52<witte>eswenson: in this case: it is not very fresh anymore, and you would like to keep your install
20:52<george>eswenson: hmm, then a reinstall (which would lose you those customizations) might be kinda annoying... you'd have to customize again
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20:53<witte>still, if you use ext2 (or maybe also ext3), resizing should be possible
20:53<george>but you can still convert to lvm if you want
20:53<eswenson>witte: I've thought about it. I could tar everything up and then start over, relayout my disk, and then untar everything. But I was hoping for an easier way.
20:53<eswenson>I'm using ext3. Is there an ext3resize?
20:53<witte>eswenson: do the tar thing, then try the resizing
20:54<witte>if it fails you can still do the new install :-)
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20:54<eswenson>witte: true. I guess I should have to pay my dues for screwing up my initial install!
20:55<witte>eswenson: according to the ext2resize website, ext3 should be ok
20:56<eswenson>witte: I'll check that out.
20:56<eswenson>george: how stable is lvm on debian. I've been afraid to go there.
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20:57<eswenson>witte; another alternative, perhaps would be for me to backup /home (only 10% of 119GB used) and move it off this machine. Then blow away my /home partition, and create new /usr, /var, and /home partitions.
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20:58<eswenson>Then, restore /home, and move /var and /usr.
20:58<witte>eswenson: yep, certainly
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20:58<witte>eswenson: probably that would be best
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20:58<george>well I've been using lvm2 for years now... lvm2 involves a "forwarding" kernel module called device mapper, and all the lvm stuff in userland
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21:02<eswenson>george: thanks. I'll look into lvm2 too.
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21:07<george>eswenson: things you can do to keep lvm more stable: each volume group should refer to physical volumes all on same drive... or run -true- hardware raid and make your physical volumes from that
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21:08<cafuego_>eswenson: There is no ext3resize; you need to run fsck on it, remove the ext3 journal; rerun fsck and then use ext2resize. Change it back to ext3 when done.
21:08<gsimmons_>eswenson: I'm aware of one catch wrt to LVM on the NSLU2. If the root partition is a logical volume, you'll need to provide the 'rootdelay' on the kernel command line. Details are near the end of <>.
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21:08<george>how much root delay can you get?
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21:10<eswenson>gsimmons_: thanks much for the tips.
21:10<eswenson>cafueto: ok, I'm reading about ext2resize now. Thanks.
21:10<george>is there any small nslu like device that has two eths?
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21:10<george>that I can install etch on and make it be a low-power gw
21:10<gsimmons_>george: Depending on your definition of "small", the Thecus N2100 works pretty well.
21:12<george>small meaning small physically, doesn't need much more than say 100mb ram, small disk (maybe silicon)
21:12<george>small meaning say 5-10g
21:14<george>mmmm,,, chick corea (with gambale and weckl but unfortunately also victor wooten) and also vital information (steve smith etc) coming soon
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21:18<Alam_Debian>does anyone know of a program to show the changes on 2 diff files, other then diff?
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21:19<freemuch>hello mans
21:19<george>Alam_Debian: why not diff? (would need to know since otherwise no idea what to recommend)
21:20<witte>Alam_Debian: I use ediff in emacs
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21:20<freemuch>yes ediff in emacs
21:20<witte>Alam_Debian: but there are also gui things that use diff underneeth
21:20<freemuch>would need to know since otherwise no
21:21<george>ediff might use diff tho
21:21<george>and what witte said
21:22<Alam_Debian>I have 2 reversion changeset from 2 codebases that I want to compare
21:22<george>wouldn't the changeset contain the diffs?
21:22<witte>george: yes, it will use diff, but i think Alam_Debian does not like the interface :-)
21:22<george>well he hasn't really said why yet
21:23[~]freemuch np: Nickelback - Too Bad [03:54m/128kbps/44kHz]
21:23<george>but good guess :)
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21:23<Alam_Debian>you mean 'diff -uN pri/pflags.diff pub/pflags.diff > hell.diff'
21:23<george>oh, so that's a diff between diffs
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21:24<george>why do you want that? :)
21:24<Alam_Debian>I do not want that!
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21:24<george>ok, so you don't actually want those args to diff
21:25<witte>Alam_Debian: can you tell what your problem is, maybe we can give you a better answer like that
21:25<george>is pri/pflags.diff a file created by diff? or is it a ldap input or output file
21:26<Alam_Debian>by diff
21:26<Alam_Debian>well, git-diff
21:26<george>so that command line you gave above would diff a pair of diffs, yes?
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21:28<george>if you could actually get the file trees for each of the two versions you want to see the difference between, you could then run the diff between those two dirs
21:29<Alam_Debian>I have 2 code base of SRB2, a game, I been merge changes from the private one to the public, I found out today that one of my merge break death(why I did not notice this before), and I want to see what the diff between the private commit and the public commit
21:30<george>get a working copy of the private
21:30<george>get a working copy of the public
21:30<george>run diff -Naur private public
21:31<george>then you're comparing the files instead of comparing the diffs
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21:32<george>but any difflike tool you would use, it would be better to compare files than diffs
21:32<Alam_Debian>I can and had but the private one have too much changes and unreleased stuff with the public one
21:33<george>besides, do you know for sure that both changesets reflect changes from the same thing?
21:33<george>or do they each reflect changes from two different things?
21:34<george>if the latter, you're going to have to get the files anyway
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21:35<Alam_Debian>I merged the patch/reversion changeset/commit from the private to the public one a long time ago
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21:35<george>if you're getting undesirably large output, then you can remove files from both dirs
21:35<george>like say pub/ and prv/ produces undesirable results
21:36<george>then you simply remove them and run the diff again
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21:38<george>or instead of removing them you could add them to an ignore-these-files list
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22:53<LightningTH>is there a way to find out what partitions exist on a drive?
22:53<LightningTH>i can see /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdc2 and /dev/sdc5 but i do not know what format(s) they are
22:54<witte>LightningTH: cfdisk /dev/sdc1
22:55<LightningTH>next Q then :)
22:55<gsimmons_>LightningTH: Alternatively, cat /proc/partitions; file -s /dev/sdc1 (etc)
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22:55<LightningTH>fstab shows /dev/sda1 as my root jfs drive, yet, /dev/sdc1 is showing as that
22:55<LightningTH>so what gives? i figure this is related to the sata and auto-assignment in the bios which i can not disable
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22:57<witte>LightningTH: I think you can set such things with udev, but i am not sure that is needed here
22:57<LightningTH>i'm about to scream with lilo and grub
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22:58<LightningTH>5 drives, all sata. 1 is a cdrom. the cdrom bounces between sata2 and sata6 during bootup
22:58<witte>you should only use one
22:58<LightningTH>if 2, no boot, if 6 then it screws up
22:58<LightningTH>file server
22:58<LightningTH>file server/home entertainment box
22:59<LightningTH>and i cant keep it from screwing with the id's
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23:00<LightningTH>grr, and now anytime i mount it keeps removing the permissions although i set it for user
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23:00<witte>LightningTH: I am not sure how to tackle this, maybe someone else (there is not alot of activity here, maybe come back later?)
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23:01<witte>LightningTH: user only allows users to mount it, the permissions remain
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23:03<LightningTH>umask entry
23:04<witte>LightningTH: ah, ok, i was talking about something else
23:04<blarson>LightningTH: mount by uuid or partition name, that way the device name won't matter.
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23:05<linxa>i want to load my system in maintenence mode
23:05<LightningTH>blarson: for lilo and grub? grub goes into an infinite boot loop. how would i mount by uuid/partition name for lilo?
23:05<linxa>i tryied with init=1 when i load the kernel
23:05<witte>linxa: what happenend?
23:06<linxa>do you know what is the option on the kernel to do that?
23:07<linxa>"/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda4 ro"
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23:07<linxa>i added init=1, as this "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda4 ro init=1"
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23:08<linxa>but, this doesn't work
23:08<witte>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro single
23:08<witte>linxa: in grub that is
23:08<witte>the single does the trick
23:09<linxa>but, i want to access in maintenence mode
23:09<linxa>before single
23:09<witte>linxa: can I ask why?
23:09<LightningTH>tried rescue
23:09<LightningTH>linux rescue ?
23:10<linxa>yes, i tryied con that
23:10<LightningTH>err, that is for the install
23:10<witte>linxa: and can't you just "init 1" from a terminal
23:10<linxa>i want to access to initrd
23:10<witte>linxa: ok, that is out of my league :-)
23:10<LightningTH>linux emergency ?
23:11<linxa>that's right
23:11[~]LightningTH cheated and looks at google
23:11<linxa>can i put emergency at the end of the kernel line?
23:11<LightningTH>not sure. the example i saw was LILO boot: linux emergency
23:11<LightningTH>cant hurt to try
23:11<LightningTH>as it ends up being passed in at some point
23:12<witte>linxa: you could try, make sure you have a spare entry
23:12<linxa>let me try something
23:12<witte>linxa: you could also try #debian-boot (not sure if it is called like that, but i believe so)
23:12<LightningTH>if you are booting off a cd, here is something else to try then. boot: linux single root/dev/hdXX initrd=
23:12<LightningTH>but that only works with standard drives (nothing requiring extra drivers loaded)
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23:15<linxa>i need to mount initrd image inside of my system
23:15<linxa>i use mount -o loop initrd
23:16<linxa>but, that doesn't work
23:16<linxa>for this reason, i want to load my system in maintenence mode
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23:17<LightningTH>not sure :/
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23:18<LightningTH>been awhile since i've done such things
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23:19<LightningTH>i forget what format the initrd image is. wouldnt you mount [image type] initrd /mymount ?
23:19<LightningTH>gotta run
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23:19<linxa>maybe ramfs or ext3
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23:25<na>anyone know what package i need to install to enable CPU freq. scaling
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23:27<linxa>cpio -id <../initrd.img
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23:27<linxa>that command copy the archives on initrd
23:28<linxa><LightningTH> thank you
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23:29<witte>na: apt-cache search freq |grep cpu
23:30<na>witte: do you know if i need a kernel mod. added too?
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23:31<witte>na: normally these modules should be loaded by these programs i think
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23:31<witte>try it :-)
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23:31<Hideo_Kuze>na: cpufrequtils
23:32<na>i did still nothing in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0
23:32<witte>did you load your processor?
23:32<Hideo_Kuze>na: are you using debian's kernel or one you compiled on your own
23:32<george>hope you put extra amount and extra good quality thermal goop where your cpu joins with its heat sink
23:33<na>how do i load my processor?
23:33<george>cause faster == hotter
23:33<na>oh yeah custom heatsink and thermal paste
23:34<witte>na: run something heavy :-)
23:35<Hideo_Kuze>or install cpuburn
23:35<c00i90wn>When trying to remove evolution-common on lenny it also tries to remove gnome-desktop-environment and it's dependencies, is this a bug?
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23:37<c00i90wn>george: shouldn't just remove g-d-e but not their dependencies?
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23:37<george>find out what depends on evolution-common
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23:38<c00i90wn>george: fast-user-switch-applet doesn't depends on e-c and apt wants to remove it for example
23:38<george>wait, did you use aptitude?
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23:38<c00i90wn>george: no, just apt
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23:39<george>what dist?
23:39<TimbrWolf>Can any one help with connection on mutella?
23:40<nw33>Hi! whith aptitude ocurrs the same, because I have tried too.
23:40<c00i90wn>george: lenny
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23:47<george>doesn't all apt* and the synaptic that is the same name as the touch pad all behave like aptitude?
23:47<george>in lenny+ that is
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23:49<c00i90wn>george: mmm AFAIK it was changed to better resolve dependencies, but this is a side effect that is not good at all...
23:49<chealer>george: the driver is synaptic*s*, but no.
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23:50<c00i90wn>george: I wouldn't trust on what I just said, probably chealer answer is way more correct
23:53<george>so if he used apt-get to install things which brought in deps it shouldn't remove the deps when requested to remove the original app
23:53<george>(which is how aptitude's behavior is different from apt-get and others)
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23:54<george>I have that right?
23:55<chealer>george: oh, yes. "apt-get" and aptitude still behave differently in lenny+, but they now both track automatically installed packages.
23:55<chealer>s/oh, yes/oh, no
23:56<george>c00i90wn: anyway, if that is correct then it may be that the deps are too far reaching... I don't see where the deps are that cause this to happen
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23:58<c00i90wn>george: I installed gnome which installed g-d-e who depends on evoultion*. After removing evolution-common it tries to remove everything else that g-d-e depends on. That doesn't sound like a good move IMHO. I'm wrong?
23:58<george>I'm guessing here... but maybe evolution-common is depended upon by gnome-desktop-environment (such that evolution would be installed when g-d-e is installed)
23:59<george>AND there are packages that depend on g-d-e
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