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00:21<drakode>View http://www.linux.melkor.cl !!!
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00:36<phyz>hey all, could someone tell me how to stop synaptic from removing a broken package?
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00:41<DanDare>killall synaptic
00:41<DanDare>:p
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00:47<istoc>Hi, I'm trying to set up LVM for the first time, should I have separate LVs for /home, /usr, /var and /temp?
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01:18<princess>hi
01:19<princess>i havea question
01:20<princess>i have never used debian, but i have internet for windows my other computer has debian and i am installing dsl
01:20<princess>but i would like to install it on debian
01:21<princess>can anyone tell me how to do this
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01:27<highshadow>hi Princess i use dsl and been using debian for a while ... type in # pppoe-setup ... enter your info thats it
01:27<highshadow>i dont know if there is any other way but thats how i do it
01:28<blarson>princess: Depends on your dsl provider's setup. My dsl works fine with just dhcp. (no pppoe)
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01:31<highshadow>blarson: dont ya have to enter your user name , password how you do that with just dhcp
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01:38<blarson>highshadow: No username or password needed to access the internet. Their router knows who is on the other end of the wire.
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01:41<highshadow>blarson: your lucky my dsl needs a username and password ........ you talking about broadband or dsl ( phone ) i am on high speed phone and without a username and password it wont let me on the net
01:43<blarson>highshadow: I'm paying extra to have a competent dsl provider that understands things like static IPs, linux, etc. (speakeasy.net)
01:44<blarson>Now that they were bought out, I'll see if they remain competent. (They have had growing pains.)
01:45<highshadow>blarson: ohhhhh ok i got it .. me i am cheap i ust have a plain jane with static ip and have to give user name and password to log in
01:45<handysnacks>I've set up my interfaces file, and my wpa_supplicant.conf file what appears to be correct and have been having terrible trouble connecting wirelessly, I have successfully connect via wicd, but it seems to be sporadic at best, would anyone be able to point me in the right direction?
01:45<highshadow>i was on broadband and my speed was slower then dsl cos i have next to a high rise and around 4 - 10 pm the speed was pathic
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01:53<handysnacks>anyway when I run ifup interface it appears to struggle to get an ip, if i set a static ip, it merely jumps to a new line without any error, yet doesn't connect
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02:22<snail_>how do i blacklist pcspkr
02:23|-|mode/#debian [+l 275] by debhelper
02:23<gsimmons>!tell snail_ -about blacklist
02:24<snail_>much thanks
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03:15<padski>gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error
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03:21<stuart>Anybody awake?
03:21<gpm>i'm drunk
03:22<padski>pgv: can't open `/gnupg/options.skel': No such file or directory
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03:22<padski>gpgv
03:22<stuart>gpm: excellent. Then you might be able to help me
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03:22<gpm>hah
03:22<gpm>no i'm really drunk
03:22<gpm>i'm on the way to bed
03:22<gpm>sorry
03:23<padski>!ask
03:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
03:23<stuart>I assume it is impossible to have 2 computers accessing the internet via 2 modems on the same adsl line (after alll that's what routers are for)?
03:23<gpm>!premature
03:23<padski>stuart: silly at the very least
03:24<stuart>padski: silly yes, but painting a room, no wireless, and not worth buying a longer network cable... but I do happen to have 2 modems
03:24<padski>stuart: sorry
03:25<stuart>padski: you think i should try or you know it doesn't work?
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03:26<stuart>there is conflicting info on the Internet
03:26<padski>stuart: I can see that it will not work, and I can't advise you to try it, although I expect it would do no harm
03:26<stuart>padski: the reason is a single IP address or something?
03:27<padski>several reasons. howabout If I take my full pint to the bar and get the barman to put another one in ?
03:28<stuart>well if it did work, i'd assume half bandwidth per modem
03:28<padski>stuart: you might be able to run an analogue modem on the pots signal and adsl on the adsl part ....
03:29<stuart>padksi: what is an analogue modem - you mean dial up?
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03:29<padski>I have "(time warp or clock problem)". best error message I'll see all day ;-)
03:29<padski>yeah you know like 28.8K or whtever
03:29<stuart>i remember doing the time warp
03:29<padski>lol
03:29<stuart>hee hee
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03:30<stuart>nah, i'd rather kill myself
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03:32<padski>in fact I'm certain that will work, as you can use fax on the same line as adsl (although it is one of the first things they get you to unplug when troubleshooting)
03:33<padski>so that is probably the source of you confusion from the internet
03:36<padski>locales depends on glibc-2.7-1. glibc-2.7-1 does not appear to be available
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03:42<blarson>padski: I think it's the usual all/any difference. Wait for the buildd uploads to catch up.
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03:43<padski>yeah, I saw that post on d-d last night. perhaps I should put more smileys after my error messages :-) in fact, I may try that in my own programs :-)
03:46<blarson>I havn't read DD yet today. Those of us that use non-i386 have had problems with this for years.
03:46<padski>this is on armel. it is probably fine on i386 :-)
03:47<padski>but I am over the moon, cos there is gobc now. I have waited six months for that!
03:48<blarson>padski: I had that on my i386 box a couple of hours ago.
03:49[~]dpkg judo chops chuy_max, courtesy of chuy_max
03:49<padski>huh?
03:50<blarson>He probably just messaged the dpkg bot.
03:50[~]dpkg does a little 'renice 20 -u everyone perl \=\= lamerville', courtesy of chuy_max
03:52<padski>Apparently I mustn't clean the breadmaker with benzene. useful tip that. I wonder how long before we can that kind of useful lawyering into free software doco ?
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03:59<gr8ron>padski: benzene can cause cancer
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04:48<padski>gobjc: Depends: gobjc-4.1 (>= 4.1.2-1) which is a virtual package. Unable to resolve dependencies! Giving up...
04:48<padski>:-(
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04:50<war>http://iniquity.net/~war/newegg-firefox.jpg <- How come NewEgg's fonts for the pull-down menu are so large in Firefox/Linux and not Firefox/Windows? Is there anyway to fix _those_ fonts?
04:51<unisky-utf8>Hi. Need help. Howto iceweasel x86_64 install firefox extensions?
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04:55<padski>war: most likely it is font portability. on linux you are getting a different substitute font, and it is not a terribly good match. you could try installing more fonts. you could delve into the pages (perhaps the css) and figure out which fonts it is specifying. do you have the microsoft fonts installed ?
04:56<war>yes i do
04:56<war>~/.fonts$ ls|wc-> 39
04:56<war>how many do you have?
04:57<padski>none in there :-)
04:57<Eulex>war, do you have the microsoft fonts installed?
04:57<padski>yeah, we already covered that one :-)
04:58<war>yea, does it look okay for you?
04:58<war>or same issue?
04:59<padski>it is a big problem on the web. there is not cursive font with good install across three platforms which renders even vaguely similarly. your best bet is often the microsoft ones.
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04:59<Eulex>war, wow, yes, huge fonts here too. but even huger. the 'computer hardware' menu doesn't fit on screen.
04:59<padski>funny enough it is fine here :-)
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05:00<padski>I can't play videos on youtube yet though :-(
05:00<war>arg hehe
05:00<padski>hey, bug asus eee banner
05:00<padski>s/bug/big/
05:01[~]war wonders which font that is and why it looks good on windows
05:01<war>hrm
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05:02<padski>actually the font size is the same on mine, but the font is different.
05:02<Eulex>war, ftp://eulex.zapto.org/newegg-firefox.png
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05:03<war>Eulex: whoa
05:03<padski>lol
05:03<war>Eulex: yours is gigantic
05:03<Eulex>indeed.
05:03<war>hmmmm why does it look so nasty, padski you said its fine there? lets see yours?
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05:05<Eulex>I have selected to have bigger fonts because of my monitor (1680x1050 on a 15.4" tft) but no sites have been this extreme before.
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05:06<yang>I have a big dependancy issue with libxul-dev http://paste.debian.net/41341
05:08<war>Eulex: ah
05:08<padski>http://picpaste.com/newegg_1.png
05:09<Eulex>yang, where did you get your libxul-dev from? it's not from debian.
05:09<war>hm dicking around now it looks fine
05:09<Eulex>ah, wait, nvm
05:09<war>arg i changed like 5 things though
05:10<war>padski: yes mine ooks like that
05:10<war>(now)
05:10<war>very strange
05:10<Eulex>yang, appears that there is a conflict between testing/updates and testing.
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05:11<Klon_01>#debian-de
05:12<Klon_01>#debian_de
05:12<Klon_01>-.-
05:12<Klon_01>i giv up
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05:12<padski>war: I just saw something strange
05:12<Eulex>!de
05:12<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
05:12<Eulex>Klon_01, /join
05:13<padski>war: opened it in konqueror. first the font was similar to firefox, and then it changed to a smaller one.
05:13<Klon_01>i allredy done ^^
05:14<padski>war: I suspect there may be some kind of dynamic javascript driven selection of font going on.
05:14<war>padski: ahh k
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05:16<padski>war: try it. I can do that repeatably by restarting konqueror.
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05:17<war>looks ok in konq w/ any size window
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05:19<war>resizing the text in ff though makes them diff too
05:19<Angel>irc.rizon.net
05:20<padski>how do I record a movie of my screen ?
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05:22<scorp>padski, apt-get install istanbul
05:22<padski>I've used vnc before, but I can't seem to find it now ...
05:22<padski>istanbul
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05:22<scorp>vnc for recording a movie of the screen?
05:22<padski>yes, I've done that
05:23<padski>might want to be careful with passwords with that though!
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05:27<david__>hello
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05:32<quick>hi all
05:32[~]quick is Czech
05:32<david__>hi quick
05:33<quick>david__ hi
05:33[~]quick not English, quick CZECH
05:34<Eulex>!cz
05:34<dpkg>cz is, like, Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz
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05:35<quick>thenks
05:35<quick>bye all
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07:09<dartagnan>hello
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07:10<dartagnan>how can i create a shortcut on my console kbd ? i would like to assign a command to F12. This should also work if i am not logged on the console
07:10<lupine_85>dartagnan: then you need to tell 'init' all about your keyboard shortcut
07:11<lupine_85>or do it at the kernel level, I guess
07:12<dartagnan>i only see an option for alt-up arrow, not f12
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07:13<lupine_85>man inittab
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07:13<lupine_85>"Basically you want to map some keyboard combination to the "KeyboardSignal" action"
07:14<dartagnan>yes i see
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07:14<lupine_85>awfully hacky though
07:14<dartagnan>yes
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07:14<lupine_85>out of curiosity, what command are you trying to assign to F12?
07:14<dartagnan>shutdown -h now
07:14<dartagnan>:)
07:15<azeem>why don't you map that to the power button?
07:15<dartagnan>its an old pc
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07:22<dartagnan>ok
07:22<dartagnan>bye
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07:28<myfinn>hallo!
07:29<myfinn>ich habe ein problem bei einer 32Bit Anwendung mit Debian 4.0
07:29<bartm>!de
07:29<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
07:29<myfinn>ok
07:29<bartm>but feel free to ask in english :)
07:29<myfinn>i try ;)
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07:30<myfinn>i have a problem with installing a call of duty2 Server on Debian
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07:30<myfinn>i asked the support of my rootserver, they told me to install some 32bit libs
07:31<myfinn>but they didn't say any names or other things.
07:31<bartm>myfinn: you have not yet described the problem...
07:32<myfinn>the call of duty 2 server don't want to start, because there are missing some 32bit libs.
07:32<myfinn>i think that's the problem
07:32<bartm>so installing works, but starting doesn't
07:33<myfinn>but i don't know which libs...
07:33<myfinn>yes
07:33<bartm>any error messages?
07:33<myfinn>no, because i installed it in my webinterface. There's a shell on my rootserver
07:33<myfinn>so i don't know, what went wrong...
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07:33<bartm>I doubt that anyone can help with so little info
07:34<myfinn>yes, but i can't give even more...
07:34<myfinn>that's my problem...
07:35<myfinn>are there maybe any saved error-logs on my rootserver, so that I could read them?
07:36<bartm>can you install and start this software on a local debian setup?
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07:36<myfinn>i haven't tried yet
07:36<floku>myfinn: the ususal suspects are the packages ia32-libs, libc6-i386, and ia32-libs-gtk
07:36<myfinn>oh, thank you!!
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07:39<floku>myfinn: If that does not help, run "ldd" on the executable. This will complain about missing libraries and you can use "apt-file search" to locate the files
07:39<myfinn>is there a way to see all paths on my rootserver? I don't know, in which path call of duty2 was installed...
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07:42<legion>anyone tried installing opera before?
07:42<legion>im getting massive key errors
07:43<EmleyMoor>Is there a "howto" around on building a Debian-based DSL-modem-incorporating router/firewall?
07:43<legion>gpg --armor --export 6A423791| apt-key add - <-- just tried that line and had several erros
07:43<EmleyMoor>legion: I have tried opera once, before that came in - and wasn't actually keen on it anyway
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07:44<DanW>morning all
07:44<legion>EmleyMoor, ive used opera since it was rls :)
07:44<floku>myfinn: How is the server supposed to be started? By typring a command?
07:44<EmleyMoor>Thinking of using something like Sangoma's DSL modem and a 4-port ethernet card... oh, and I have a /28
07:44<azeem>myfinn: is it a debian package?
07:44<legion>gpg --armor --export 6A423791| apt-key add - <-- im i suppose to add a key there?
07:45<legion>i tried adding a key i got but then it said something about broken pipe
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07:45<EmleyMoor>legion: Are you sure you have the key you specified to export?
07:45<EmleyMoor>(try gpg --armor --export 6A423791 on its own)
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07:46<legion>i had lots of errors
07:46<cusco>yo
07:46<DanW>anyone around that can help me set up a webserver?
07:46<EmleyMoor>legion: You need that to work without errors before you have a hope of feeding the key into apt-key
07:46<legion>EmleyMoor, import from failed, errording reading failed, no writable keyring found erorr
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07:47<ChaosR>!downgrade
07:47<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.
07:47<cusco>DanW: apt-get install apache2
07:47<bartm>DanW: just describe the problem without first asking for help
07:47<legion>EmleyMoor, I see thanks anyways
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07:47<ChaosR>bleh, this will mean, reinstall
07:48<EmleyMoor>Is the Sangoma S518 simple to install on a Debian box?
07:49<DanW>ok let me explain ... i'm renting a vps an i want to point a domain to it and set the box up so i can access it using the doman and run php and mysql applications from it for testing .
07:50<cusco>DanW: and which bit are you having troubles with
07:50<DanW>just about all of it
07:50<ChaosR>ok, where is my mouse theme, I upgraded to SID, and now I can only choose the standard X mouse (which is ugly)
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07:50<DanW>i did apt-get install apache2 last night .. couldn't serve any pages
07:51<DanW>first thing i really want to do is get a domain set up at the domain
07:51<DanW>at the box even
07:51<cusco>look
07:51<cusco>DanW: perhabs the box is under a NAT
07:52<cusco>perhaphs you need to forward port 80 to the outside
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07:52<DanW>ok i've just reset the box, i'll install apache2 now
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07:52<EmleyMoor>DanW: Can you browse what it's serving from the box itself?
07:52<cusco>jeez
07:52<cusco>ok
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07:53<floku>legion: Go to http://deb.opera.com/, save the part between "-----BEGIN PGP ..." and "-----END PGP ..." (including these two lines) as a text file. Then run "apt-key add filename.txt" as root.
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07:56<EmleyMoor>What's a good quad Ethernet card these days?
07:56<legion>floku, thanks man it worked :)
07:56<DanW>ok i've got apache2 working
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07:57<grasn>how i can find out my fglrx version?
07:57<EmleyMoor>(or are there any 3-port ones slightly cheaper?)
07:58<gsimmons>grasn: dpkg -l fglrx-driver
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07:58<grasn>crazy thx
07:59<grasn>i have installed 35.5 and it says 8.42 ^
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07:59<grasn>how can i see if installation was successfull, or that fglrx is running?
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08:01<dutchy>grasn: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
08:02<gsimmons>grasn: See also <http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Verifying>.
08:02<grasn>i dont see any of xglrx in my config
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08:03<grasn>i used aticonfig –initial
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08:08<dutchy>grasn: fglrx is a dog, it breaks all the time in Sid. You might want to consider using the open source version of the ati driver instead
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08:09<grasn>dutchy, cool hx, where can i get them?
08:09<grasn>i use debian etch
08:10<dutchy>oh, etch, in that case you should be better off.
08:10<grasn>^^
08:10<dutchy>I don't know how to get them though, I ditched ATI products.
08:10<dutchy>apt-cache search ati should help.
08:11<grasn>can i install lenny with windows-installation method?
08:11<legion>why is my kernel i486 ? isnt there i686 on debian?
08:11<grasn>i have no cd rom, thats why i install etch
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08:12<dutchy>you should be able to apt-get dist-upgrade to lenny if you modify your sources.list, but backup first, just in case.
08:12<grasn>oki thx, i will try that
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08:16<dutchy>grasn: another option might be sidux.
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08:17<grasn>i see its not hard ti upgrade to lenny, ill try that now xD
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08:18<lupine_85>hah. enjoy
08:18<grasn>ahh it even works fine ^^
08:19<lupine_85>speaking of which, I'm due a dist-upgrade...
08:19<lupine_85>200MB
08:20<dutchy>did one yesterday, 360 packages, 480MB
08:20<dutchy>took a while...
08:21<dutchy>but nothing like upgrading Gentoo ;)
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08:38<lupine_85>hah. I has a gentoo partition
08:38<lupine_85>took me 3 days to get kde4 installed and running
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08:38<lupine_85>which is, you know, not bad
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08:42<sreerenj>whats the use of loops_per_jiffy in kernel?
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08:54<scimmiapazza>how can I mask packages?
08:54<bartm>mask?
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08:55<scimmiapazza>bartm: isn't there a way for mask packaes? like gentoo..
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08:55<bartm>scimmiapazza: what is "mask" in this context?
08:56<scimmiapazza>bartm: hide one package for install an older one..
08:56<bartm>scimmiapazza: and what would "hide" be in this context? really, I'm not following
08:56<sreerenj>hai
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08:57<bartm>scimmiapazza: oww maybe you mean "apt pinning"
08:57<fxiny>hide ? you mean put a package on hold ?
08:57<bartm>scimmiapazza: ask google about "apt pinning", and then you can verify whether this is what you are looking for
08:57<scimmiapazza>bartm: umh..I don't know what's what XD
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08:57<Freebird>hai
08:58<Freebird>what is the use of loops_per_jiffy in kernel?
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08:58<scimmiapazza>fxiny: Mh..I think so..
08:58<Freebird>what?
08:59<fxiny>scimmiapazza: so you want your <oldpackage> not upgraded ? aptitude hold <package>
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08:59<fxiny>can't rememmer apt hold command . run dselect and press = over it
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09:00<scimmiapazza>fxiny: if I want to downgrate a package so.. should I do aptitude hold and the package? after I install the package and that should be the older package?
09:00<fxiny>to downgrade just dpkg -i <oldpackage>
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09:00<bartm>scimmiapazza: downgrading a package can be done with: apt-get install foo=version
09:01<fxiny>scimmiapazza: then put it on hold
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09:01<jf>if it is on hold apt should warn me to upgrade it later or not?
09:01<scimmiapazza>bardm: mh..where should I tell wich package I want to downgrade?
09:02<bartm>scimmiapazza: replace "foo" by the package name :)
09:02<bartm>scimmiapazza: never heard of foo and bar ? :)
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09:03<fxiny>i believe he knows bar very well ;)
09:03<bartm>sometimes there's also baz :)
09:03<fxiny>hehehe
09:03<bartm>I don't remember having the pleasure of meeting the fourth guy :)
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09:04<scimmiapazza>bartm: Umh..no XD So..For example..if I install iceweasel 2.0.0.9 and It doesn't work..I can remove it and after diceweasel 2.0.0.9 and It doo apt-get install iceweasel=2.0.0.8 ..right?
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09:04<bartm>scimmiapazza: yes
09:05<fxiny>the forth guy ? was him riding a green horse ?
09:05<bartm>fxiny: euhm... green horse? it's just 14:05 here, a bit early for the heavy belgian beers :)
09:06<bartm>s/heavy/strong/
09:06<jf>bartm, if he put the package on "hold" state, does apt warn him tha this package is not up-to-date?
09:06<bartm>jf: ask fxiny about hold
09:06<scimmiapazza>bartm: ..nice. =) This is cause I'd like to try sid.. Something went wrong and my testing is gone XD So..many problems with unstable packages can be solved with this..right?
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09:06<jf>fxiny, if he put the package on "hold" state, does apt warn him tha this package is not up-to-date?
09:06<fxiny>bartm: same 14:05 here : unfortunately i'm not drinking a fine belgian beer :)
09:07<bartm>scimmiapazza: most problems with sid/unstable can be solved by not using it :)
09:07<floku>scimmiapazza: if iceweasel 2.0.0.8 is not in the archives anymore then you have to look for it in /var/cache/apt/archives or download it from the Debian snapshots archive
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09:07<fxiny>jf: yes : The following packages have been kept back: >> libwine mrxvt mrxvt-common samhain smbc swatch websec wine
09:07<fxiny>i like vintage packages :P
09:07<jf>fxiny, thanks
09:08<fxiny>jf: np
09:08<scimmiapazza>bartm: why not using it? O_o
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09:09<scimmiapazza>fxiny: but if I hold a package..how can I remove te hold?
09:09<fxiny>scimmiapazza: aptitude unhold and dselect press again = over it
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09:10<scimmiapazza>xiny: isn't there a way to do that with apt-get?
09:11<bartm>scimmiapazza: I just meant to say that it is normal that sid/unstable has some problems once in a while
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09:11<fxiny>scimmiapazza: you can check with aptitude -s install <packagename > and apt-get -s install <packagename> after you put it on hold
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09:12<scimmiapazza>fxiny: -s stand for?
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09:12<bartm>scimmiapazza: that should be documented in the man page
09:12<fxiny>scimmiapazza: -s simulate
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09:12<aditya>hi, i'm trying to get knetworkmanager to work
09:12<aditya>i need to run it as root for it to work
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09:12<aditya>is there a way i can avoid running it as root?
09:13<fxiny>scimmiapazza: that's right . as bartm said read tfm , i use dselect cause i like dselect
09:13<bartm>aditya: use sudo ?
09:14<vevhlos>hi, how can i start kalarm with hidden window at startup?
09:14<aditya>bartm: that would still run it as root right?
09:14<bartm>aditya: yes
09:14<aditya>bartm: so it has to be run as root?
09:14<scimmiapazza>bartm, fxiny: Thank you.. last thing.. At the end..the most problems appear when there are new version of important packages like kde, xorg..right?
09:14<bartm>aditya: no idea, I have not yet used that program
09:15<fxiny>bartm: the green horse(man) is one of the apocalipse horseman . i heard rumors of a orange horseman too , we are safe cause (the orange) is ot ;)
09:15<bartm>scimmiapazza: installing a new version of a package always introduces the risk of breaking things
09:16<scimmiapazza>bartm: Are you using sid? How many times do you be unable to run the system clean?
09:16<bartm>fxiny: ok, then we have foo, bar, baz and green horse :)
09:16<fxiny>bartm: heheheh :)
09:16<bartm>scimmiapazza: I use Testing, and just a few packages from Unstable
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09:17[~]fxiny reads : and a orange horseman came and a orange juice drank ...
09:17[~]bartm sees a pink elephant flying by...
09:17<scimmiapazza>bartm: I did the same..but something wen wrong and from a problem with compiz now everything is wrong :S
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09:18<scimmiapazza>is there a cd that install suddenly testing?
09:19<bartm>scimmiapazza: I use the "business card network install cd" and set DISTRIB_CODENAME=lenny
09:19<bartm>scimmiapazza: works like a charm :)
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09:20<scimmiapazza>bartm: ..Just add DIESRIB_CODENAME=lenny from any debian cd and it install testing?
09:22<bartm>scimmiapazza: almost... boot the "business card network install cd", select language, country and keyboard layout, hit ctrl-alt-f2, and then type "nano /etc/lsb-release" and add DISTRIB_CODENAME=lenny
09:22<bartm>maybe there are better ways, but this works for me
09:23<scimmiapazza>..how can I continue after? O.o
09:23<bartm>scimmiapazza: ctrl-alt-f1 and continue
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09:23<K3b>hi all
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09:23<bartm>K3b: is that K3 as in K3 ? :)
09:23<scimmiapazza>tnx :D
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09:24<K3b>k3b can't burn !! he don"t have the right to acces the dvd/rw i think
09:24<smiler>nessun italiano?
09:24<bartm>!it
09:24<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
09:24<K3b>how i can resolve this probleme
09:24<K3b>?
09:24<scimmiapazza>ciao XDD
09:24<bartm>K3b: maybe some "groupadd ..."
09:25<witte>bartm: K3 is not known to everyone i guess :P
09:25<scorp>the dpkg italian message was translated using google translator? lol
09:25<fxiny>it should work : wgat *debian* version are you running ?
09:25<bartm>witte: come on, such an excellent heavy-metal group with international fame :)
09:25<K3b>so ??
09:25<fxiny>K3b: ^^^
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09:25<K3b>there is no solution
09:25<scimmiapazza>scrop: I think so! XD
09:26<fxiny>K3b: what debian flavour are you running ?
09:26<bartm>scimmiapazza: what does xd mean?
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09:27<scimmiapazza>bartm: XD? ..the smile..a laught ..I abuse of that smile.
09:27<K3b>etch 4
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09:27<fxiny>what k3b version ?
09:28<K3b>0.12.17
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09:29<scimmiapazza>See you..Thanx for the help. Bye
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09:30<fxiny>K3b: what exactly apt-cache policy k3b says about version ?
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09:31<K3b>Installé : 0.12.17-8
09:31<K3b> Candidat : 0.12.17-8
09:31<fxiny>K3b: check the output of : groups
09:32<K3b>how ?
09:32<bartm>K3b: just type "groups" in a terminal
09:32<bartm>K3b: does the output contain "cdrom"?
09:32<K3b>there are only root
09:33<fxiny>as user
09:33<bartm>K3b: as the user you want to burn with
09:33<K3b>yes bartm
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09:33<bartm>K3b: any error messages appearing when attempting to burn?
09:34<fxiny>K3b: run k3b and check > settings > programs
09:34<fxiny>se if something is missing
09:34<fxiny>see*
09:34<K3b>yes there is a error
09:34<K3b>no device detected i think
09:35<K3b>it's in french the message
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09:35<fxiny>we are getting closer
09:36<fxiny>click on devices and read
09:37<K3b>i can read from tit
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09:37<fxiny>does it detect your device ?
09:38<K3b>no
09:38<fxiny>try add device
09:38<K3b>he can't detect the aproprie device he saied
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09:41<witte>K3b: can you do a "ls -al /dev/<cdrom>" with <cdrom> the device that you want to use
09:41<K3b>ok
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09:42<K3b>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-11-03 11:57 /dev/cdrom1 -> scd1
09:42<witte>K3b: ok, and now ls -al /dev/scd1
09:43<bartm>or : ls -lH /dev/cdrom1
09:43<bartm>:)
09:43<K3b>brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 1 2007-11-03 11:57 /dev/scd1
09:43<bartm>looks good
09:43<bartm>K3b: and the user is in group cdrom ?
09:44<witte>bartm: mm, nice trick, will (try to) remember it
09:44<bartm>witte: I never member, just used the man page :)
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09:44<K3b>how to add it to the group
09:45<K3b>adduser user disk !!
09:45<bartm>K3b: man usermod
09:45<K3b>i add it
09:45<K3b>adduser user cdrom
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09:51<witte>K3b: it works now?
09:51<bartm>maybe more than just the dvd is burning...
09:51<amer>hi, I have Fujitsu Siemens Amil La1703 and I installed Debian 4.01 KDE. My sound Card is VIA High Definition Audio Controller. But it is not working at all
09:51<K3b>no
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09:51<amer>So please I Do need help
09:52<K3b>amer, adduser your_user plugdev
09:52<K3b>and restart
09:52<amer>Sorry K3b but I am new to linux what do u mean?
09:53<K3b>connect in console as a root
09:53<amer>ok I did
09:53<K3b>and tape adduser your_user plugdev
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09:54<amer>e me I am already a user of the dev plug
09:55<amer>Also I updated my kernel to 2.6.22
09:55<witte>K3b: did you restart K3b in the meanwhile
09:55<amer>but stilll no sound
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09:56<K3b>witte, yes
09:56<K3b>!alsa
09:56<dpkg>i heard alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
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09:57<witte>K3b: can you give us the error you get when trying to burn something
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09:58<floku>amer: What happens if you run "speaker-test", do you get an error message?
09:58<amer>Guys I am really sorry but I got sick of these attempts to fix my sound. I have been here with u many times thanks to everyone of you but so far no solution I still can't watch a moves or listen to a song
09:58<K3b>witte, it's in french
09:59<amer>please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
09:59<K3b>amer, install the paquet alsa
09:59<amer>I hear nothing at all
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10:00<amer>it is called pquet alsa
10:00<witte>amer: stop with that, nobody needs to help you, if we can we will, if we cant, you are on your own, you could pay someone for it...
10:00<K3b>!alsa-conf
10:01<amer>I said before thanks to u all
10:01<K3b>!alsa-config
10:01<K3b>!alsa
10:01<dpkg>i heard alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
10:01<amer>but it is really disappointing
10:01<cahoot>amer: run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - noise, silence, error?
10:01<witte>amer: I was refering to the multple ! signs, it does not help
10:01<fxiny>the bill is : 1000 bucks for every "!" you typed :P
10:01<K3b>good bye all
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10:02<K3b>i'll back as soon as possible :)
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10:02<amer>No only silence
10:02<Tizy>Saluto a tutti, qualcuno può aiutarmi con un problema in Linux ?
10:02<JasonS>!it
10:02<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
10:03<Tizy>grazie
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10:03<floku>amer: then use "alsamixer" to check for low volume or muted channels
10:03<amer>Cahoot it gave me silence
10:03<cahoot>amer: but no error?
10:03<amer>Floku I used aumix
10:03<amer>no error
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10:04<amer>aumix no low volume
10:04<cahoot>amer: do you have more than one soundcard?
10:04<avu>amer: use alsamixer, noch aumix.
10:04<amer>no I don't
10:04<avu>not
10:04<cahoot>amer: run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 then try aplay again
10:04<amer>do u want to see lspci?
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10:05<Tizy>i have a problem with Debian installation help me ?
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10:05<fxiny>aumix ? that could be the problem
10:05<amer>Also silent but no error
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10:06<witte>Tizy: just ask
10:06<Tizy>when i install tell me if not recognise a sata dvd and i haven't driver for linux
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10:06<cahoot>amer: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything?
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10:06<Tizy>i am a new user for linux
10:07<Tizy>i insert -v /dev/snd/* ?
10:07<cahoot>Tizy: wasn't meant for you
10:07<gsimmons>Tizy: No, that advice is for amer. What system are you attempting to install on?
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10:08<Tizy>linux Debian
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10:09<gsimmons>Tizy: We're familiar with the distribution. You haven't told us the system you're using for the installation.
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10:09<amer>Cahoot it gave this http://www.pastebin.ca/759753
10:09<Tizy>i have a sata dvd in particular Asus DRW-1814BLT but when i installa program tell me that
10:09<fxiny>i'd remove aumix
10:09<cahoot>amer: so artsd is in the way - disable it and try aplay again
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10:10<Tizy>gsimmons i don't understand ?
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10:10<amer>sorry cahoot what do u mean by artsd?
10:10<fxiny>ahhh artsd strikes again :P
10:10<cahoot>amer: don't you read what you paste?
10:11<amer>cahoot sorry but I have not passed a week in Linux
10:11<cahoot>amer: artsd ir kde's soundserver/system
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10:12<cahoot>amer: so open kde control center, disable sound server
10:12<fxiny>why are you using aumix ?
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10:13<amer>ok cahoot then enable again or aplay
10:13<cahoot>amer: also atm speaker-test seems to be running - pkill speaker-test to get rid of it
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10:13<cahoot>amer do not enable artsd
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10:14<gsimmons>Tizy: The make/model of the system you're installing to. If it's self-built, a detail regarding the motherboard.
10:14<amer>The same message no sound no erro
10:14<amer>errors
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10:15<cahoot>amer: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything now?
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10:16<Akuna>#ubuntu-fr
10:16<amer>cahoot it gave the same previous messae
10:16<amer>message
10:16<cahoot>artsd still there?
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10:18<amer>cahoot the changes http://www.pastebin.ca/759758
10:19<cahoot>amer: pkill speaker-test and pkill artsd
10:19<cahoot>amer: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything now?
10:20<fxiny>amer: control center > sound & multimedia > sound sustem : take the tick off from "enable the sound sustem"
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10:21<fxiny>s/sustem/system/g :)
10:22<floku>amer: or at least activate "auto-suspend if idle" and set it to soemthing like 5 seconds
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10:23<amer>cahoot I did do pkill for test spkear & artsd and I disable thesound system and did fuser instruction it is now http://www.pastebin.ca/759761
10:24<cahoot>amer: pkill speaker-test
10:24<floku>amer: you need to be root to pkill speaker-test (or go to the terminal where it is running and press CTRL-C)
10:25<amer>I swear I am a root and I did pkill I will do it again now
10:25<floku>amer: then do "pkill -9 speaker-test". it has to die...
10:26<fxiny>yeahhhh nuke it up !
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10:28<amer>Cahoot yes now fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return nothing at all
10:28<cahoot>now aplay again
10:28<fxiny>or "must die " as in Barleycorn ...
10:29<Tizy>please help me with installion with sata dvd in Debian
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10:30<amer>cahoot it gave the same previous message no error but only silence
10:30<amer>cahoot it gave the same previous message no error but only silence
10:30<amer>cahoot it gave the same previous message no error but only silence
10:30<fxiny>i believe aumix is on the way
10:30<amer>cahoot it gave the same previous message no error but only silence
10:31<witte>!repeat
10:31<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
10:31<cahoot>quadrophonic
10:31<fxiny>enia
10:31<fxiny>mods and vespas
10:31<cahoot>amer: sad
10:31<floku>amer: can you put the complete output of "amixer" on pastebin
10:31<fxiny>lambrettas
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10:32<amer>I am sorry for repeating but I didnt see the message first time so kept sending it
10:32<amer>sorry again
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10:33<amer>The output of amixer is http://www.pastebin.ca/759774
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10:37<cahoot>amer: just one question - what soundcard is this?
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10:38<floku>amer: In your amixer output, I am bit puzzled by "Playback 204 [80%] [-10.20dB]" for PCM. (-10dB is attenuated). Try to gradually increase that to 100%. Also, try to increase the setting for "Front"
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10:39<yamimay>quit
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10:40<amer>flocu i am rally sorry I am new to liux so How to increase to 100
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10:42<floku>amer: no problem: run "alsamixer" and you will see all the controls. Use the CURSOR keys to select a control and change the volume.
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10:42<floku>amer: UP/DOWN to change volume, LEFT/RIGHT to move
10:43<r3k13m>hello, i'm using lenny, and some times get freeze, but mouse still work and with a ctrl+alt+backspace, i can relogin without problems. i am using vesa drivers and i boot with apic=off and nolapic, some ideas?
10:43<r3k13m>*acpi=off
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10:43<amer>Floku now it is 100
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10:44<sionic>hello, is threre a graphical utility for gnome to mount harddrives?
10:44<floku>amer: try the aplay command again. Still no sound? Then increase the "Front" channel. (carefully, in a few steps and test again)
10:45<fxiny>amer: you did not answer to > 15:37 < cahoot> amer: just one question - what soundcard is this?
10:45<fxiny>we are all curious
10:45<amer>fxiny it is VIA High Definition Audio Controller
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10:46<fxiny>cahoot: :)^^^^
10:46<cahoot>amer: thanks
10:46<amer>why it cannt work?
10:46<cahoot>do as floku told you
10:48<amer>cahoot I did aplay again also no sound no errot
10:48<amer>error
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10:49<cahoot>amer: my belief is your card has insufficient support in the present alsaversion
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10:49<amer> cahoot :does it matter if I get external speakers or no
10:49<amer>?
10:50<cahoot>hardly
10:50<amer>ok thank u guys all for ur help I really appreciate it
10:51<floku>amer: can you see the "Front" control in alsamixer? You might have to move to the right edge to see all channels (the display scrolls if necessary).
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10:53<floku>amer: also, if your are trying this with headphones, increase the "Headphone" channel (it was at -14.00dB in your last amixer output).
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10:53<amer>I will increase them all to 100
10:54<floku>amer: but be careful not to blow out your eardrums if you have headphones
10:54<amer>hehe sure
10:54<fxiny>play safe : Mozart :)
10:54<lupine_85>VIA cards have all sorts of weird switches
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10:54<lupine_85>IEC958. etc
10:54<amer>maybe I should switch to HP
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10:54<amer>I hated Fujitsu siemens
10:55<lupine_85>get a long song playing, then go into alsamixer and hit things randomly
10:55<lupine_85>if the sound card shows up in aplay -l, then it's teh supported
10:55<fxiny>why not getting rid of aumix ?
10:55<cahoot>debatable when it comes to hda-intel devices
10:56<amer>yes it is shown in aplay -l
10:56<fxiny>just let alsa/alsamixer doing
10:56<tgc0d3r>since upgrading xserver-xorg seems broken at the moment, how do I put the current version on hold so it doesn't break when I upgrade to sid?
10:56<valdyn>!hold
10:56<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri
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10:57<fxiny>aptitude hold/unhold missing
10:57<valdyn>that factoid is already to long ..
10:58<valdyn>cut off
10:58<fxiny>and : if is on hold in aptitude is not on hold for apt
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10:58<valdyn>hmm
10:58<tgc0d3r>does holding xserver-xorg keep all of its child packages from upgrading as well?
10:58<valdyn>tgc0d3r: no
10:58<valdyn>tgc0d3r: only all that have a versioned depend
10:59<floku>tgc0d3r: it might help to put libx11-6 on hold also
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10:59<tgc0d3r>one last one and I'll stop asking. To keep the kernel from upgrading what package do I put on hold? Sorry, I'm coming from a Gentoo world
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11:00<valdyn>tgc0d3r: xserver-xorg doesnt do much at all, i doubt its that package breaking anything
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11:01<grasn>how can i get the info of my linux version i just updated from etch to lenny
11:01<grasn>kernel
11:01<tgc0d3r>the log says "half-configuring xserver-xorg" when it gives an error
11:01<valdyn>tgc0d3r: do a "dpkg -L xserver-xorg" its mostly docs
11:01<fxiny>tgc0d3r: coming from gentoo ? play with apt-get/aptitude -s install <packagename> where -s is simulate
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11:02<valdyn>tgc0d3r: what is the error?
11:02<tgc0d3r>fxiny: good suggestion
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11:02<tgc0d3r>it says the xserver-xorg 7.3 exits with error code 10 but doesn't give a reason
11:03<tgc0d3r>the log says "half-configuring xserver-xorg" but no reason for bailing
11:03<fxiny>tgc0d3r: also : aptitude hold/unhold <a_long_line_of_packages> is quicker
11:04<fxiny>time is on my side , yes it is (Barry Manilow anthem) ...
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11:05<valdyn>tgc0d3r: should be enough to hold just that package, then
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11:06<tgc0d3r>thx. what package do I need to put on hold to keep the kernel from upgrading?
11:06<valdyn>tgc0d3r: the kernel doesnt upgrade
11:06<valdyn>tgc0d3r: each new kernel version is also a new package
11:07<tgc0d3r>so how do I keep it from installing the new kernel package?
11:07<valdyn>tgc0d3r: there's metapackages that always depend on the latest kernel, if those are not installed you dont get new kernels automagically
11:07<valdyn>tgc0d3r: linux-image-2.6 for instance
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11:08<tgc0d3r>I just want to keep the kernel at 2.6.22-2 instead of going to 2.6.22-3
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11:09<valdyn>tgc0d3r: you are probably reading this version wrong
11:09<tgc0d3r>I just want to keep the kernel at 2.6.22-2-686 instead of going to 2.6.22-3-686
11:09<valdyn>tgc0d3r: that upgrade isnt automatic
11:09<tgc0d3r>going from Lenny to Sid it is
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11:10<valdyn>tgc0d3r: those 2 are 2 different kernels, not upgrades
11:10<tgc0d3r>ok, I hear ya on that. But, I want to keep apt from installing 2.6.22-3
11:11<valdyn>tgc0d3r: installatiopn of -3 is manually or automagically via one of the abovementioend metapackages
11:11<valdyn>tgc0d3r: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
11:11<valdyn>tgc0d3r: paste on a paste site, i can point out the metapackage(s) you have
11:12<valdyn>!paste
11:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
11:12<tgc0d3r>It's on my laptop and I'm reinstalling it and it's just rebooting now
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11:13<valdyn>tgc0d3r: or basically any package _name_ shorter than <upstreamversion>-<debian revision>-<cpu> is pretty much a metapackage
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11:13<valdyn>tgc0d3r: like linux-image-2.6.22 would be a metapackage always pulling the latest 2.6.22 kernel
11:14<valdyn>tgc0d3r: err, that one wouldnt make sense, more like linux-image-2.6.22-<cpu>
11:15<tgc0d3r>ok, using your dpkg command, it's linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.22-2-686
11:15<valdyn>tgc0d3r: so you got one metapackage there
11:15<valdyn>tgc0d3r: pulls the latest 2.6.x kernel for -686
11:15<tgc0d3r>how do i stop it from doing that
11:16<valdyn>tgc0d3r: you remove that package
11:16[~]quick is away: Gone away for now.
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11:16<tgc0d3r>that's it...
11:16<tgc0d3r>that's all I have to do?
11:16<valdyn>tgc0d3r: right
11:17<valdyn>tgc0d3r: you would still get new -2 packages, but that would probably be fine ( and wont happen anyway i think )
11:17<valdyn>tgc0d3r: as -2 is no longer supported when -3 appears, in sid anyway
11:17<tgc0d3r>I just don't want to have to recompile my ndiswrapper and fglrx modules
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11:18<valdyn>tgc0d3r: that's ok, new -2 kernels cant require a recompile
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11:18<valdyn>tgc0d3r: otherwise they wouldn't be -2
11:18<tgc0d3r>awesome
11:19<tgc0d3r>and you think that simply holding the xserver-xorg package should work?
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11:20<fxiny>you can check in a second : aptitude hold xserver-xorg && aptitude update && aptitude -s distupgrade
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11:23<fxiny>s/distupgrade/dist-upgrade/
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11:24<gloupy>hi there. can you give me advice for a home server. It has to be on all the time, so power efficient, network connectivity (rj45), no noise, can run debian and should be cheap. any idea ?
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11:27<Nemoder>gloupy: well.. you can install debian on an xbox :)
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11:28<gloupy>i have to mod it right ?
11:28<keving>Hello
11:28<keving>I try to boot Debian from hdd but it gives me a Error with "no screens found"
11:28<keving>With Vmware i can boot that
11:28<keving>What is the Problem ?¿?
11:29<Nemoder>yeah I think it requires a mod
11:29<gloupy>i m not very confident with this
11:30<Nemoder>I think there's a software mod that doesn't require a chip though
11:30<keving>hello ?¿?
11:31<gloupy>a software mod onwhat ? debian ?
11:31<keving>-,-
11:32<Nemoder>I think they use glitches in games to rewrite the bios on the xbox
11:32<Nemoder>then it can boot xebian
11:32<gloupy>ah ok
11:32<JasonS>!tell keving about no screens found
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11:33<keving>Somebody German ?¿?
11:33<gloupy>ok bye
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11:34<keving>I cant read /var/log/XFree86.0.log
11:34<keving>Dont can boot from hdd
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11:35<JasonS>!de
11:35<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
11:35<keving>ah
11:35<keving>Thanks
11:35<JasonS>keving: you dont need x to read the log file
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11:35<floku>keving: sounds like your X is misconfigured; try /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:35<JasonS>!drxx
11:35<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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11:48<komar>Type /msg nickserv register rkumar e-mail
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12:19<komar> Hi! I am using KDE, and .Xresources doesn't get read
12:19<komar>I seem to have to do xrdb -load .Xresources manually each time
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12:20<kmap>komar: Are you using kdm or gdm?
12:20<komar>kmap:kdm, but no success with gdm either
12:20<kmap>komar: Did you find any difference between usign them, with respect to loading .Xresources?
12:20<kmap>komar: Oh, OK...
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12:22<fxiny>komar: echo 'exec startkde' >> ~/.xsession
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12:23<komar>fxiny: thanks, i'll try that
12:23<fxiny>np
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12:26<komar>fxiny: I am sorry, that didn't help. It wasn't loaded again
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12:26<legion>ugh when im watching a youtube video on opera, and if i try clicking on other tabs or doing something else .. the audio echoes/skips ...any ideas on how to solve it?
12:27<floku>komar: It works for me with kdm and kde. Do you have "allow-user-resources" in /etc/X11/Xsession.options?
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12:28<komar>floku: yes, i do
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12:30<floku>komar: Strange, then it should be taken care of by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30x11-common_xresources.
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12:31<komar>floku: that file seems in order as weel, there is an option to check for allow-user-options
12:31<komar>*allow-user-resources, I am sorry
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12:33<fxiny>komar: see /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
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12:34<legion>how do you read .doc in debian?
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12:34<fxiny>catdoc
12:34<komar>fxiny: anything specific?
12:34<legion>tx
12:35<jf>legion, or use openoffice
12:35<fxiny>komar: at "Specify a file with X-resources" line maybe ?
12:36<floku>komar: "Session=/etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession" might be important in kdmrc.
12:37<komar>floku: that line is present
12:38<legion>anyone have a guide on how to install new drivers on your creative card? the audio skips when i browse tabs in opera
12:39<komar>fxiny: thanks, let me try the resources option
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12:39<legion>!creative
12:39<dpkg>[creative] http://opensource.creative.com, or ask me about <sound blaster>
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12:40<komar>fxiny: Sorry, but that didn't do it
12:40<floku>komar: Do you see suspicious messages in ~/.xsession-errors? What are the permissions for your ~/.Xresources?
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12:41<komar>floku: -rw-r--r--
12:41<floku>komar: same permissions for me
12:42<legion>great opera runs great on linux but this annoying sound is killing me lol
12:43<komar>floku: I get a few Bad Pixmap errors in the xsession-errors
12:43<komar>floku:basically, my xresources file just has some colour options for xterm
12:43<floku>komar: that does not help us here (and it is harmless AFAIK)
12:43<fxiny>komar: i am sorry mate :)
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12:43<legion>guys if i want to edit my dns, where do i find the network. conf?
12:43<fxiny>legion: lemme check , firing up oprera
12:44<floku>komar: I meant the pixmap thing...
12:44<fxiny>legion: dns ? /etc/resolv.conf
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12:44<komar>floku: then nothing suspicious :)
12:45<komar>fxiny : thanks anyway
12:45<legion>fxiny, thanks when im done with the settings, how do restart/resolve dns?
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12:47<esters>Weird issue with Mplayer 1.0rc2- when double clicking on the file which has spaces (file name.avi) , it says : couldn't open file name , but when drag n droping the file on gmplayer, it works
12:47<floku>komar: Check the definition "USRRESOURCES=$HOME/.Xresources" in /etc/X11/Xsession.
12:47<lloeki>anyone starting dropbear from an *inetd here?
12:48<komar>floku: It is already present
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12:51<legion>fxiny nvm i fixed the dns
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12:52<legion>fxiny does the audio skip in opera when you flick tabs?
12:52<fxiny>legion: i have no problems with opera : changing tabs or moving to another workspace it keeps playing sound
12:52<legion>fxiny could you try going to youtube and play video and then switch tabs+
12:53<fxiny>legion: i've done that .
12:53<fxiny>legion: running 9.24-20071015.6 , sometimes creashes or hang
12:53<fxiny>but is ok on youtube
12:53<floku>komar: The script in Xsession.d uses "xrdb -merge" instead of "xrdb -load". Can you verify that "-merge" works from the command line with your ~/.Xresources?
12:54<komar>floku: actually, it doesn't
12:54<legion>fxiny okay thanks for testing
12:54<fxiny>legion: about dns i use dnsmasq , pretty easy and nice
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12:55<fxiny>legion: np
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12:55<komar>floku: do I replace merge with load?
12:56<floku>komar: you could put the "xrdb -load ..." command into ~/.Xsession.
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12:58<komar>floku: let me try that
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12:59<fxiny>kmap: what exactly are you trying to do ?
12:59<fxiny>ops
12:59<fxiny>kmap: sorry , tabcompletion on my way :)
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13:00<kmap>fxiny: D'you know something? komar and I share the first name!
13:00<komar>floku: that didn't work either
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13:00<fxiny>kmap: and kop :)
13:01<fxiny>komar: what exactly are you trying to do ?
13:01<komar>fxiny: trying to get my .Xresources file to be read at startup
13:01<floku>komar: Is your ~/.Xsession executable? Also try ~/.xsession instead.
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13:03<komar>fxiny: it is .xsession, and it is executable all right
13:03<fxiny>!xsession
13:03<dpkg>[xsession] ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
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13:05<diabel>#polska
13:05<Eulex>!pl
13:05<dpkg>pl is probably perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
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13:06<fxiny>perl perl , why iso gave pl to polska is a mistery to me :)
13:07<legion>sudo apt-get install kde <-- is that enough to install kde? and how do i remove GNOME completly so it uses kde on startup?
13:07<fxiny>!kde
13:07<dpkg>kde is probably a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>
13:07<fxiny>ops
13:07<fxiny>wrong factoid
13:07<cahoot>!remove gnome
13:07<dpkg>apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest.
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13:07<legion>thank you
13:08<fxiny>legion: kde will install an awful lot of packages . there is kde-core
13:08<floku>komar: if all else fails, use a short script in ~/.kde/Autostart/ to run xrdb -load ...
13:08<komar>floku: funnily enough, that didn't work
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13:10<floku>komar: Maybe putting the script into ~/.kde/env/ will work. (Slowly runnign out of ideas...)
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13:10<george>floku: didn't work? why?
13:11<fxiny>komar: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc >> # A program to run before a user session starts. Subject to word splitting
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13:11<komar>fxiny : what does that imply?
13:12<george>what does "doesn't work" imply other than a really vague unspecific idea that one is unsatisfied with a bahavior that may also be unspecified? :)
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13:12<fxiny>komar: i'm looking into my old dusty notes . kde changed a bit since woody . kdmrc seems the place whre look into
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13:12<kmap>george: From the context above, komar is trying to get his .Xresources read automatially
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13:13<fxiny>kmap: but then i run flux , so i'd better shut up :)
13:13<fxiny>ops
13:13<fxiny>again
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13:13<fxiny>komar: ^^^
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13:13<komar>fxiny, floku: no progress, i am afraid
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13:14<george>komar: what if you try to separate the two problems, which I see as "loading a resource file" and "doing something at login"
13:14<fxiny>smart
13:15<fxiny>divide et impera
13:15<floku>komar: Put something like "touch ~/testfile" into the script, to see if it runs at all.
13:15<george>could you test the latter by putting a line in your script that touches a file or writes the date to a file or something like that?
13:15<george>yeah
13:15<floku>george: hehe, six seconds...
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13:16<george>then at least you'll have two big rairly equal sized chunks and you;ll know which chunk it's in
13:17<george>floku: well of course I alluded to that (albeit more generally) in my prev message, the one after this:
13:17<george>what does "doesn't work" imply other than a really vague unspecific idea that one is unsatisfied with a bahavior that may also be unspecified? :)
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13:17<fxiny>ding !
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13:22<diabel>heelooop
13:22<george>p
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13:22<legion>!aixgl
13:22<legion>!xgl
13:22<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl, or deprecated and unsupported
13:22<komar>george, fxiny: right, the file wasn't touched
13:22<diabel>polska
13:22<diabel>:
13:22<george>or, you can /msg dpkg aixgl
13:22<diabel>czesc komar
13:22<george>komar: beautiful :) you have a better idea of where is the problem :)
13:22<george>I guess now you can do one of:
13:22<george> - find out why, or
13:22<george> - look into how to do it either the same way you're trying or else some other way
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13:22<komar>george: suitably cryptic, but thanks
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13:22<legion>if http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl doesnt work.. what site should i use then?
13:22<george>I can't really be otherwise without looking into the situation specifically, which I haven't yet
13:22<george>legion: one that works?
13:22<fxiny>sounds like a lisp sing-along
13:22<fxiny>george: :)
13:23<legion>george :S
13:23<legion>the bot only gives me one link and its a dead link
13:23<fxiny>halloween leftovers ?
13:23<george>hmm, what if you take all the stuff besides the hosthame off and try that
13:23<komar>george, fxiny: well, thanks guys for the patience, i'll try to determine what's going on and get back
13:24<george>dead link or live kielbasa
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13:24<george>mmmm coffee
13:24<fxiny>komar: ok . i won't move (from fluxbox)
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13:27<Bald0z>hi there !
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13:28<Bald0z>anyone can help me about a routing problem on my debian box ?
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13:28<fxiny>if i get a 4G++ mem quad++ core monster box . i'll install *only* fluxbox and i'll ring guinness
13:29<Tibby>I'm trying to setup Debian alpha on an old comp my brother gave me how do I get the setup started?
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13:30<Tibby>It's running windows 98
13:30<fxiny>but i have to admit k3b is pretty handy :P
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13:31<fxiny>alpha ? windows 98 ?
13:31<Tibby>I downloaded Debian off their site and I clicked the one that said ALPHA and the system has windows 98 on it and I want to replace that with debian
13:32<fxiny>alpha is not what you need
13:32<valdyn>Tibby: why would you get alpha?
13:32<avtobiff>Tibby, you need i386 flavour of debian
13:32<avtobiff>Tibby, alpha is for dec alpha processors
13:32<Tibby>Because I have no knowlesge of Linux >.<
13:32<avtobiff>digital*
13:33<avtobiff>Tibby, this is no gnu/linux-knowledge knowing what cpu you have...
13:33<avtobiff>Tibby, but you probably need the i386 flavour of debian for your machine that now runs win98
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13:34<Tibby>Alright I'll check the things processor but when I download the right one how do I run the set up like make the debian work
13:34<valdyn>Tibby: you read the install guide
13:34<valdyn>!ig
13:34<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
13:34<fxiny>Tibby: PII 400 '98 proudly running etch here : super rocking an 2.6.18-5-vserver-686 kernel
13:34<legion>anyone have a working repository for Compiz Fusion-kde ?
13:34<valdyn>legion: likely
13:35<Tibby>!ig
13:35<dpkg>I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r1 (Stable as of August 15, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing!
13:35<fxiny>Tibby: don't start with a vserver : what cpu is it ?
13:35<valdyn>legion: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
13:35<legion>valdyn thats the one i used
13:35<valdyn>legion: mind, thjat is for sid
13:35<Tibby>Intel Pentium
13:35<valdyn>legion: that one works
13:36<legion>W: Couldn't stat source package list http://download.tuxfamily.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/download.tuxfamily.org_sh
13:36<valdyn>legion: what the hell is that _sh doing there?
13:36<legion>no idea im using a guide
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13:37<Eulex>Tibby, how much ram?
13:37<DeFender1031>i'm having trouble getting my mic to work
13:37<valdyn>legion: run 'aptitude update'
13:37<DeFender1031>do you know what might be preventing it from working?
13:37<Tibby>Eulex: I haven't checked one sec
13:37<Eulex>Tibby, the amount of ram will limit what you can do with that machine.
13:38<fxiny>a 98 could be on 64MB
13:38<Eulex>or even less
13:38<cahoot>DeFender1031: faulty mixersetting possibly
13:38<Eulex>or more
13:38<fxiny>more is hard
13:38<Tibby>95 mb
13:39<fxiny>my PII 400 was the fastest cpu of the time
13:39<DeFender1031>cahoot, how do i fix?
13:39<fxiny>a mighty deschutes
13:39<Eulex>Tibby, you'll be able to run a user interface, if you choose a lighted one. I'd not recommend running gnome or kde. xfce would probably be fine.
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13:40<legion>W: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 73E6B0FAA42A6CF5
13:40<fede>#nick helpdd
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13:40<fxiny>Tibby: what about the cpu speed ?
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13:41<fxiny>95 is not enough to enjoy debian
13:41<Eulex>*lighter
13:41<cahoot>DeFender1031: one way is to start alsamixer and see to the mic is enabled/unmuted
13:41<Tibby>fxiny: Pentium 2
13:41<fxiny>Tibby: 686 then
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13:42<DeFender1031>cahoot, it wasn't, but kde thought it was for some reason
13:43<cahoot>problem solved?
13:43<DeFender1031>yep, thanks
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13:43<cahoot>easiest mic problem hitherto
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13:44<janux-xmind>hi!
13:44<janux-xmind>i have no sound when i play video in streaming
13:44<janux-xmind>on iceweasel
13:44<Eulex>flash?
13:45<george>legion: then get the key and put it where it can be read
13:45<janux-xmind>can someone tell me what the problem is
13:45<janux-xmind>yes flash
13:45<Eulex>janux-xmind, is sound generally working on the system?
13:45<janux-xmind>yup!
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13:45<janux-xmind>but not on iceweasel
13:45<janux-xmind>when i play in streaming
13:45<george>janux-xmind: the problem has yet to be found, I guess ;)
13:45<Tibby>Fxiny: This might be a better question, what linux should I get
13:46<george>any one you want... btw, you do want linux?
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13:46<Eulex>janux-xmind, put the output of lsof|grep /dev/snd and lsof|grep /dev/pcm in a pastebin.
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13:47<george>Tibby: any one you want... btw, you do want linux?
13:47<Eulex>Tibby, if you want to run debian, you should start out with stable aka etch.
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13:48<DeFender1031>cahoot, so that worked, but still no programs are actually reading the mic,
13:48<janux-xmind>debian:/home/janux-xmind# lsof|grep /dev/snd
13:48<janux-xmind>mixer_app 3381 janux-xmind 38u CHR 116,0 5279 /dev/snd/controlC0
13:48<DeFender1031>it's just coming out from the speakers
13:48<george>Tibby: btw, you could install a throwaway linux and play with it for a week
13:48<DeFender1031>but the recorder and skype hear silence
13:48<cahoot>DeFender1031: try toggle the mic capture tab
13:48<george>then blow it away and try something else
13:48<Tibby>George: do you know of one?
13:49<DeFender1031>cahoot, huh?
13:49<george>any linux.
13:49<cahoot>DeFender1031: try toggle the mic capture tab in alsamixer
13:49<DeFender1031>the capture tab seems to be all the way up
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13:49<cahoot>DeFender1031: that's the one you unmuted earlier?
13:49<Eulex>janux-xmind, ok, that's fine then
13:50<Eulex>janux-xmind, did you check your mixer settings
13:50<george>debian, redhat, puppydog, damn small linux, knoppix, ubuntu, kbuntu, any of maybe 200 others... and then, you could build your own too (oh speaking of which I forgot gentoo)
13:50<Tibby>Alright I'll try the right architecht but one last question; Do I need to know any programming languages?
13:50<Eulex>janux-xmind, please keep this in the channel.
13:50<janux-xmind>ok
13:50<DeFender1031>cahoot, found the problem, skype doesn't support alsa
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13:50<cahoot>it should nowadays
13:50<meth>where can i find help to configure my multimedia keys in my keyboard? im using debian stable with xfce, thanks
13:50<cahoot>DeFender1031: but you have to tell it to use alsa
13:50<george>well... no, probably not... but why do you want to run linux?
13:51<janux-xmind>what should i check on my mixer?
13:51<george>that the blades spin and when they're done you have a nice yogurt ice cream smoothie?
13:51<fxiny>Tibby: 95 is not enough for runnig gnome or kde and maybe even xfce4 : try icewm
13:51<george>ohh, -sound- mixer...
13:52<george>sorry :)
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13:53<janux-xmind>Eulex...what should i check on my mixer?
13:53<Eulex>janux-xmind, that pcm and vol aren't muted and that they are turned up
13:53<Tibby>It's 98
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13:54<fxiny>Tibby: even better icewm-light , i run fluxbox very light but is not new-user friendly
13:54<george>Tibby: my question to you is: what attracts you to linux?
13:54<Tibby>I'm better at dissambely then everything else >.<
13:54<Tibby>George: I want to become a hardware engineer and just want some ISO expirence
13:54<fxiny>Tibby: why ? add more ram if you can : i added up to 224444 and i do wnat i want
13:55<fxiny>Tibby: old boxes are nice
13:55<janux-xmind>all of them are turned up
13:55<Tibby>Fxiny: I could try that but I only got 2 slots of ram
13:55<DeFender1031>cahoot, it says i need oss emulation, how do i do that?
13:55<metalqga>and old ram is not cheap
13:55<george>in THAT case, I woould say (1) linux is a very good platform for you to learn and (2) knowing as much as you can about prograaming languages is -essential-
13:56<fxiny>Tibby: 2 ? that's fine !
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13:56<metalqga>you can learn a program language on a paper notebook
13:56<george>reason: if you're engineering hardware and you don't know about software, how will you go about accomodating programmers?
13:56<cahoot>DeFender1031: if you use a debian kernel that's included (etch and later)
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13:56<Tibby>Oh you mean buy 2 sticks of good ram... oi
13:56<janux-xmind>Eulex, so...?
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13:56<DeFender1031>cahoot, than i don't know what the problem is
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13:56<george>if your ram is bad, that's not good!
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13:57<Eulex>janux-xmind, odd then.
13:57<janux-xmind>i have no prblem on windows
13:57<fxiny>Tibby: good ram ? second hand cheap will do :)
13:57<Tibby>George: I know Qbasic but I'm moving on to C++ when I can get a good computer set up (I got like 3 junkers lying around)
13:57<janux-xmind>i 've use alsaconf maybe 10 time
13:57<Eulex>janux-xmind, you're using flash 9 and not flash 7, right?
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13:57<janux-xmind>same result
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13:58<janux-xmind>no sound on iceweasel
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13:58<Eulex>Tibby, QBasic ^^, that was a long time ago
13:58<metalqga>if your ram is bad, use badram
13:58<george>Tibby: sounds good... you might also check out C as well...
13:58<janux-xmind>yes!
13:58<george>metalqga: why use more bad ram when you have some already??
13:58<cahoot>DeFender1031: see if modprobe snd-pcm-oss makes any difference
13:59<metalqga>badram is a program that isolates the bad bits in the ram and makes the bad wafers good
13:59<cahoot>DeFender1031: that's alsas oss-emulation
13:59<Tibby>Eulex: >.> I'm obsessed with early computers and nintendos... and Qbasic is so fun
13:59<janux-xmind>Eulex, i use Flash 9
13:59<Eulex>janux-xmind, ok. no idea what's wrong then.
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13:59<DeFender1031>cahoot, i did that, it ran, but lsmod still doesn't have it
13:59<george>Tibby: there is so much stuff that's wayy more fun than any basic
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13:59<janux-xmind>ok thanks
13:59<cahoot>DeFender1031: that's strange
13:59<DeFender1031>yes it is
13:59<george>which is something that's nice about linux... thousands of languages...
13:59<george>and counting :)
13:59<DeFender1031>came up with no errors
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14:00<Eulex>Tibby, don't misunderstand me, I wrote quite much in QBasic... interfaced with hardware and stuff.
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14:00<cahoot>DeFender1031: modprobe didn't complain though?
14:00<DeFender1031>and still lsmod | grep that thing didn't work
14:00<DeFender1031>nope
14:00<DeFender1031>do i need to restart X/linux or something?
14:00<cahoot>DeFender1031: lsmod grep -i pcm
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14:01<george>Tibby: so more directly, what are you going to do to get more hw experience? (btw, for you junkers are worth their weight in gold)
14:01<DeFender1031>snd_pcm_oss
14:01<DeFender1031>hmm, it;s there now...
14:01<DeFender1031>still not working though
14:01<Tibby>George: I am good at say doing algerbra using simple math or doing CSS like HTML so I like simple languages and finding ways to make them do cool stuff
14:01<cahoot>DeFender1031: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
14:02<Tibby>George: I'm gonna continue to find free old computers, take them apart and put them back together
14:02<Tibby>George: But I'm trying to do linux so I have a use for them when they're back together
14:02<cahoot>DeFender1031: maybe artsd is getting in the way
14:02<metalqga>apt-get install beer
14:02<DeFender1031>cahoot, kicker, kmix, alsamixer, and three artsd's
14:03<dli>!tell janux-xmind about alsa checklist
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14:03<cahoot>DeFender1031: I'd disable artsd and pkill the other processes and try again
14:03<janux-xmind>dli, What?
14:03<george>Tibby, for learning hardware engineering (on a -generic- basis) linux (and/or any unix-alike) can't be beat
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14:03<dli>!alsa checklist
14:03<dpkg>well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root?
14:04<Tibby>All the people who
14:04<metalqga>tibby try DSL
14:04<Tibby>helped me today, thank you, I gotta clean or my mom will wring my neck >.<
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14:04<Tibby>I'll try different linux's and get ones for intel II's upgrade this piece of junk
14:04<fxiny>Tibby: last is the best : learn perl :)
14:04<fxiny>perl perl perl
14:05<george>or python or tcl or lisp or smalltalk or forth
14:05<Tibby>Perl, Icewm and look around different linuxs
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14:05<janux-xmind>Ok i'm doin it
14:05<Tibby>Alright! thanks a lot guys I appreciate it
14:05<DeFender1031>[2007-11-03 20:15:00] <DeFender1031> cahoot, kicker, kmix, alsamixer, and three artsd's
14:05<DeFender1031>[2007-11-03 20:15:20] <DeFender1031> so i have to killall -9 artsd?
14:05<DeFender1031>[2007-11-03 20:16:01] <DeFender1031> btw, i'm hearing the sounds from skype, just not sending any
14:05<george>oh and one mroe thing
14:05<Tibby>hm
14:06<george>get ahold of Berkeley spice
14:06<Tibby>Berkeley spice?
14:06<george>if you're going to be doing circuit design, you are going to need something like that
14:07<metalqga>learn assembly language
14:07<Tibby>K, ight have a good day dudes! (and thanks a lot I'd be beating this thing with a hammer right now if this IRC wasn't up)
14:07<fxiny>Tibby: i like perl but honestly everyone does python :)
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14:07<DeFender1031>cahoot?
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14:07<cahoot>DeFender1031: if you din't disable artsd it will resurrect itself - it's easier to figure out things if middle layers like arts are eliminated
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14:08<DeFender1031>so what do i do?
14:09<fxiny>artsd strikes again : two times today !
14:09<cahoot>DeFender1031: disable artsd in control center, and stop any running process occupying the soundcard
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14:10<DeFender1031>kicker and kmix and alsamixer are using it
14:10<cahoot>let them go
14:10<DeFender1031>in what way?
14:11<metalqga>quit
14:11<cahoot>stop them
14:11<DeFender1031>ah
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14:11<DeFender1031>stop kicker?
14:11<cahoot>hmm
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14:12<cahoot>DeFender1031: I'd disable artsd and restart you kde session
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14:13<DeFender1031>cahoot, ok
14:14<DeFender1031>so just go to control center and disable the sound system?
14:14<cahoot>yes
14:14<DeFender1031>ok got it...
14:14<DeFender1031>restarting kde...
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14:17<DeFender1031>cahoot, that's worse, now i can't hear either
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14:18<cahoot>DeFender1031: run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - any error?
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14:20<DeFender1031>cahoot, no error but no sound either
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14:21<DeFender1031>okay... this is stupid. what do i add to sources.list to get the newest oss?
14:22<cahoot>DeFender1031: alsamixer shows the card isn't muted now by chance?
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14:22<DeFender1031>of course it was... but for some reason my mic reroute was still playing
14:23<cahoot>DeFender1031: newest OSS is sometning one would pay for IIRC
14:23<DeFender1031>nope
14:23<fxiny>i think is free now
14:24<DeFender1031>okay... umm i'm still not getting mic
14:24<fxiny>i read something about it a couple of months ago
14:24<DeFender1031>it is, and i know for a fact that someone packaged it
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14:25<fxiny>i stay with alsa
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14:25<cahoot>DeFender1031: the thing is skype actually works with alsa - at least here
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14:26<cahoot>DeFender1031: but being non-free it's OT in essence
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14:30<dli>debhelper, does your mic work in other applications, like audacity
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14:49<legion>W: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 73E6B0FAA42A6CF5
14:49<legion>anyone know how to fix it? im a noob heheheh
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14:50<Eulex>!apt-key
14:51<Eulex>!secure apt
14:51<dpkg>methinks secure apt is http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
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14:54<Shu>is there a difference between the testing version of the net-install and the non-testing version?
14:55<floku>legion: wget http://download.tuxfamily.org/myberyl/shame/A42A6CF5.gpg
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14:55<floku>legion: then do "apt-key add A42A6CF5.gpg"
14:55<nowhere_man>Shu: what do you call non-testing?
14:55<Shu>i went to the debian site
14:55<witte>hi, a colleague is having this problem: "Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontStruct" using the program texmaker
14:56<nowhere_man>there is a net-install for stable
14:56<Shu>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- this is the "testing" version
14:56<Shu>http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ <-- this would be the "non-testing version"
14:56<witte>I have seen that before, but I do not know the solution imediately, someone may have a direct answer?
14:57<nowhere_man>Shu: this is labeled Etch, because it is the Etch version
14:57<nowhere_man>or 4.0r1
14:57<Shu>oh
14:57<Shu>is there a difference?
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14:57<nowhere_man>Shu: sure
14:57<Eulex>!testing
14:57<dpkg>testing is probably a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>
14:57<legion>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
14:57<legion> compiz-fusion-kde: Depends: compiz-core (>= 0.5.5) but it is not going to be installed
14:57<Eulex>Shu, testing is the next upcoming release
14:57<nowhere_man>Shu: do you know how Debian is released?
14:58<Shu>not really
14:58<legion>i had tons of errors trying to apt-get install compzi-fusion-kde floku
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14:58<lardmaster>how do you view the source files downloaded by apt-get source
14:58<Eulex>lardmaster, use a text editor?
14:58<nowhere_man>Shu: Debian has three versions
14:58<lardmaster>no, where are they downloaded to
14:58<nowhere_man>stable, testing and unstable
14:58<floku>legion: Those seem to be dependency problems. Is the key issue resolved now?
14:58<nowhere_man>when a DD uploads a new package, it goes to unstable
14:58<Shu>okay
14:59<nowhere_man>if it meets some QA criteria, it then goes to testing
14:59<legion>floku yes the key issue was resolved
14:59<Shu>i see
14:59<nowhere_man>once in a while, typically every two years, testing is frozen, major bugs are corrected without introducing anything new, and this becomes stable
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15:00<floku>legion: OK, try to do "apt-get install compiz-fusion-kde" and see what it complains about.
15:00<nowhere_man>then stable doesn't change, except for very important bugs and security issues
15:00<Shu>ah
15:00<nowhere_man>there is a repository with security fixes, and once in a while there is a minor upgrade released
15:00<nowhere_man>4.0r1 is the first minor upgrade of Etch (4.0)
15:00<floku>legion: sorry, i meant try it with compiz-core
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15:01<nowhere_man>they all have codenames, with the names of Toy Story characters
15:01<Shu>oh...
15:01<nowhere_man>stable is Etch, current testing is Lenny
15:01<legion>E: Couldn't find package compiz-core-kde floku
15:01<nowhere_man>unstable is always named Sid
15:01<Shu>okay
15:01<nowhere_man>because Sid is the kid who breaks toys
15:01<Shu><_<
15:02<nowhere_man>which means unstable in not safe to use when you don't know what you're doing
15:02<bzed>still in development :P
15:02<nowhere_man>bzed: that's after the fact rationalization ;-)
15:02<Eulex>legion, the package does not exist. apt-cache search.
15:02<Shu>so basically, for me, use the stable version?
15:02<nowhere_man>yes
15:02<Shu>okay
15:02<Shu>thanks for the help
15:02<nowhere_man>it's the most thoroughly tested installer
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15:02<floku>legion: is that the output of "apt-get install compiz-core"?
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15:03<legion>sorry
15:03<legion>heres the output
15:03<nowhere_man>and if you happen to need or desire more recent programs, you can still upgrade packages to testing, without upgrading the whole system
15:03<legion>floku, http://pastebin.com/d6eda4ec9
15:03<nowhere_man>there is even work going on to reduce the set of packages you would have to upgrade
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15:03<Shu>okay
15:04<nowhere_man>(and this holds for sid also)
15:04<Shu>ill keep this in mind
15:04<Shu>this is my first time installing any linux distro
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15:04<nowhere_man>if you're not sure and only want a rock-solid system where you want to work every day, the safe choice is stable
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15:04<floku>legion: You are trying to install a package that requires a newer libc6 than the one in etch. Such packages simply won't work on etch.
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15:05<nowhere_man>floku: except if the dependency is more strict than needed...
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15:05<hemoglobin>how can I play film on TV from my computer(debian) ?
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15:05<hemoglobin>I have cables connected
15:05<legion>floku hmm okay.. i just want to install compiz :S
15:05<floku>nowhere_man: ah, I did not know about that. (I run Sid anyway.)
15:05<hemoglobin>and I have G-force FX 5700
15:06<hemoglobin>can someone help me ?
15:06<floku>nowhere_man: what can legion do, then? Is there a way to install compiz on Etch?
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15:06<Eulex>floku, backport it?
15:06<Eulex>legion, /msg dpkg simple sid backport
15:07<hemoglobin>How can I connect second monitor ?
15:07<legion>okay thanks Eulex and Floku, it appears i have some reading to do
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15:08<nowhere_man>either recompile the source packages or force the installation (not recommended if you don't know exactly what you're doing)
15:08<legion>i just want compiz but i guess no work no joy eh :)
15:08<hemoglobin>when is Pc starting I can view it on both of monitors, but when starts Login screen secon monitor don t running
15:08<nowhere_man>legion: backporting yourself can be quite easy
15:08<nowhere_man>use apt-build
15:08<Eulex>nowhere_man, forcing the installation won't work.
15:08<nowhere_man>it does all the work for you
15:08<legion>thanks nowhere_man I will read up on it
15:08<niyado>hola
15:08<niyado>tengo un problema
15:08<nowhere_man>Eulex: sure?
15:08<Eulex>nowhere_man, when he runs the binary, it will complain about the too old libc6.
15:09<niyado>mis comillas no quieren funcionar
15:09<floku>!es
15:09<Eulex>!es
15:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:09<niyado>estudio programacion y pagina web
15:09<niyado>ok
15:10<Eulex>nowhere_man, well, yes, he can install the package by forcing the installation, but the binary won't work.
15:10<george>or you can ask here... most speak english on this channel; you could too if you want to
15:11<lardmaster>where are apt-get source files downloaded too?
15:12<george>.
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15:12<Eulex>lardmaster, a new directory in the current directory.
15:12<niyado>ok
15:12<niyado>im having problems whit my ¨
15:12<niyado>i dont know how to tell in english the ¨ ¨
15:12<niyado>comillas in spanish
15:12<niyado>well
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15:13<niyado>they dont work !!!!
15:13<niyado>i programming in html, css, c++ whatever but the dont work
15:13<niyado>why?
15:13<george>so it's the symbols added to the letters
15:13<george>?
15:13<nowhere_man>niyado: you mean: "
15:14<niyado>yea
15:14<lardmaster>ahh thnx
15:14<nowhere_man>in XML and CSS, you quote values with either "..." or '...'
15:14<niyado>i put Shift+¨ but the dont work
15:15<niyado>is like i never put then there
15:15<nowhere_man>and twice?
15:15<floku>niyado: do you mean you press SHIFT + 2 and the " character does not show up?
15:15<niyado>the show up when i do that, i have to touch the key twice!!
15:16<nowhere_man>that happens for some combinations of char/layout
15:16<floku>!deadkeys
15:16<floku>!nodeadkeys
15:16<nowhere_man>on a french AZERTY layout, you have to hit '^' twice to get it
15:16<nowhere_man>which enables you to type âêîûô
15:16<george>!listkeys dead
15:16<dpkg>Factoid search of 'dead' by key (15 of 23): "play dead" ;; #debian dead ;; #debian play dead ;; _default deadrat ;; dead ;; dead badger ;; dead fish ;; dead silence ;; dead tree ;; deadbat ;; deadcat ;; deadlaura ;; deadlaura laura ;; deadrat ;; ya dead man.
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15:18<niyado>:(
15:18<niyado>i only know how to configure the ñ and the áéíóú, but the ¨ i dont know how to configure
15:18<george>it didn't show 8 others
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15:20<floku>niyado: do you mean you want to type something like pingüino (penguin)?
15:20<timmy>can someone help me>
15:20<niyado>no
15:20<timmy>why?
15:20<niyado>i want to type that i call in spanish(comillas)
15:21<niyado>that i use for some atributes for html or css
15:21<niyado>like
15:21<floku>niyado: this """"""""?
15:21<timmy>all i want is for someone to let me stick my dick in their butt.
15:21<niyado><table width=¨800px¨>
15:21<niyado>yeaaaa
15:21<niyado>thatttt
15:22<floku>niyado: press SHIFT+2 (nothing will happen at first) and then press SPACE
15:22<timmy>i want some anal sex
15:22<lardmaster>bad
15:22<niyado>yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
15:22<timmy>anybody want some>
15:22<niyado>thats what i wass talking about!!!!!
15:23<timmy>or ill fuck someone in their pussy
15:23<niyado>thx floku!!!!
15:23<floku>niyado: de nada
15:23<niyado>jejej gracias, bye bye
15:23<Eulex>timmy, have you got a debian related question?
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15:24<Eulex>obviously not
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15:29<fancylad>does anyone know of an unrar utility that works? i have unrar-free but that does nothing
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15:31<floku>fancylad: Did you try "unrar" form the non-free repository?
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15:32<floku>s/form/from
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15:35<fancylad>floku: no. how do i configure apt to use that repository?
15:38<floku>fancylad: add "non-free" after "main" in your /etc/apt/sources-list; here is an example:
15:38<floku>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
15:38<floku>fancylad: then run "apt-get update"
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15:46<ather>holas
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15:49<ather>chssssss.........callarsus
15:50<ather>XD
15:50<legion>i did a search on backports "compiz" no results??
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15:51<fancylad>ok thanks
15:53<dli>!tell legion about compiz
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15:56<Jabka>how can i use svn in debian/watch ?
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16:04<m0RrE>install subversion
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16:06<Jabka>i do use subversion
16:06<legion>this is insane
16:06<Jabka>m0Rre:was it for me ?
16:07<Jabka>my question is what should i write in debian/watch for that uscan could download from svn
16:07<legion>i followed the kde-compiz guide but its complaining a lot about having unmet dependencies, ive also tried searching for backports but 0 results
16:07<m0RrE>ah :) i didn't read the question properly.
16:07<m0RrE>sry
16:08<Jabka>מפ
16:10<[gloom]>hi. I'm trying to install a bluetooth headset in debian sid, but I have installed all the bluetooth related packages, along with bluetooth-alsa packages, and I still don't have any binary called btsco, that seems to be the user-space program to connect the headset
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16:13<witte>[gloom]: " apt-file search btsco" resulted in bluetooth-alsa
16:14<witte>but there is indeed not btsco in /usr/bin or /bin
16:14<witte>note that i have no bluetooth
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16:14<[gloom]>Simestim:/etc/init.d# apt-file search btsco
16:14<[gloom]>bluetooth-alsa: usr/share/doc/bluetooth-alsa/embed/btsco.mk
16:14<[gloom]>bluetooth-alsa: usr/share/doc/bluetooth-alsa/embed/runbtsco
16:14<[gloom]>no binary there!
16:14<legion>!xlibs
16:15<witte>[gloom]: are you sure there should be one (is it in the manual or so?)
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16:15<[gloom]>yes, i'm pretty sure. It ocmes in the bluetooth alsa-package, and as far as I know, is the user-space program that links the device /dev/dsp1 to a Bluetooth MAC
16:17<Jabka>[gloom] didn't used bluetooth had set but from what i remmber you should install bluetooth and bluz-utils
16:18<Jabka>.
16:18<[gloom]>yep, i got them installed
16:18<njubi___>hi, can anybody help me? I installed Etch but I cant start the X. I need to reconfigure the graphic settings, but GRUB doesnt allow the command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. What to do? How to change the settings for the graphiccard in GRUB? THX a lot
16:18<witte>njubi___: you do not set your graphic card in grub
16:18<[gloom]>but still no binary. the file usr/share/doc/bluetooth-alsa/embed/runbtsco is a shell script that tries to execute the btsco bynary file, which i don't have on the system
16:18<witte>!set up x
16:18<dpkg>To set up X in etch or later, "aptitude install xserver-xorg". Generally, say "no" to the question about the framebuffer. Also ask me about <drxx> for reconfiguring the xserver.
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16:19<witte>njubi___: grub is the first thing you see, where the selection for the kernel happens
16:20<floku>[gloom]: I put my bluetooth headset notes up at: http://paste.debian.net/41414. Maybe that will help.
16:20<njubi___>Error 27 Unrecognized command
16:20<witte>njubi___: when you choose a kernel, the system boots until you are in bash prompt
16:20<[gloom]>thx
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16:20<witte>njubi___: are you really trying dpkg-reconfigure in grub?
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16:21<njubi___>If I boot regularly, I boot into the X but I cant see anything because my monitor tells me that its the wrong frequency
16:22<witte>njubi___: go back to there, and once you are there, issue "ctrl-alt-f1", you go to a console
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16:23<witte>njubi___: in that console, you log in, and do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root
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16:23<witte>njubi___: you can go back to gui by ctrl-alt-f7, and restart the X server by ctrl-alt-backspace
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16:24<njubi___>back to where? It doesnt work in the X
16:24<witte>njubi___: back to x after you have reconfigured it
16:24<njubi___>how do I start the console?
16:25<njubi___>bingo, did
16:25<njubi___>thy
16:25<njubi___>thx
16:26<wickers>wow, i did not realize that debian uses their own IRC servers... I thought the only official chats were on freenode.
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16:26<wickers>though, the freenode channels seem a bit more active.
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16:27<dondelelcaro>we actually don't, but irc.debian.org points at OFTC, not FN
16:27<wickers>ahh
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16:33<[gloom]>floku: I'm following your steps, and hcitool scan reports that it find the device, hcitool inq works as expected, but hcitool info MAC says "can't create connection: input/output error" any clue?
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16:36<floku>[gloom]: You have to be root for the commands on lines lines starting with "#".
16:36<floku>s/lines lines/lines/
16:37<[gloom]>yes I know
16:37<[gloom]>I am doing it as a root
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16:38<Jabka>what stands + and ~ in package versions involving svn ?
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16:38<floku>[gloom]: CAn you check if anything was created in /var/lib/bluetooth when you ran that last command?
16:38<[gloom]>yes, I checked it, an there's nothing there,
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16:39<floku>[gloom]: uh-oh, not sure hwat to make of this...
16:39<[gloom]>there's nothing there becasue of the error of the hcitool info I think
16:41<[gloom]>yeah, i'm lost too:D
16:41<[gloom]>thx anyway
16:41<floku>[gloom]: I think it might indicate that it does not fully support your dongle. If it is a UDB dongle, what do you see for "lsusb"?
16:42<floku>s/UDB/USB (my typing is atrocious today...)
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16:43<[gloom]>mmm. I think it's supported. Is a CBTU conceptronic, and when I start kdebluetooth it shows my other devices, as my mobile phone, and even I can pair it with the headset, but I can't connect to it to hear something!!! That's why i'm not using the kdebluetooth, and want to make it on commandline
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16:44<floku>[gloom]: maybe you can skip the "hcitool info ..." step.
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16:44<[gloom]>ok, let's give it a try
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16:44<[gloom]>thx again
16:44<njubi___>helped me a lot, thanks guys, problem solved
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16:45<floku>[gloom]: My main problem with my USB headset was that I really needed the KDE bluetooth dialog to enter the PIN.
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16:45<njubi___>thanks a lot, folk, good night
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16:45<floku>[gloom]: I absolutely found no way of entering the PIN on the command line.
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16:46<floku>[gloom]: What took me longest was figuring out the "aplay -D plug:a2dpd ..." step, which triggered the PIN dialog.
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16:47<mikael>hello I have a problem with atftp server
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16:47<mikael>does anybody uses it ?
16:48<legion>dev/sda1 /mnt/backup
16:48<legion>fuse: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/backup: No such file or directory
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16:48<legion>how im i suppose to know the mount point on my external my book usb ?
16:48<mikael>legion look at your syslog
16:49<lontra___>legion: do you have a directory for /mnt/backup?
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16:49<tim>Hello!
16:49<legion>not sure :S
16:49<mikael>legion when you plug the usb device it will tell you if it's /dev/sda or sdb etc
16:49<legion>how do i check syslog?
16:49<lontra___>legion: type dmesg in a terminal and look for the device
16:49<legion>yeah its sda1
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16:49<lontra___>legion: it'll be near the end of the message
16:49<mikael>legion tail -f /var/log/syslog then plug your device
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16:50<mikael>legion if it's /dev/sda then look at the partitions, fdisk -l /dev/sda
16:50<mikael>legion and mount the right partition
16:50<mikael>legion according to the filetype you saw in the fdisk output
16:51<tim>Can a openvpn Server be installed behind a router/firewall?
16:51<legion>mikael after that comamnd i see /dev/sda1
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16:52<legion>mikael sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/dev/sda1 ?
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16:53<lontra___>shouldn't need sudo if you're in the fuse group
16:54<weasel>lontra___: to access the sda1 block device?
16:54<lontra___>to use ntfs-3g
16:55<legion>lontra but is the command right?
16:55<lontra___>sure
16:55<lontra___>but if you're in the fuse group you don't need the sudo
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16:55<legion>fuse: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/dev/sda1: No such file or directory
16:55<legion>Unmounting /dev/sda1 (My Book)
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16:56<floku>legion: the mountpoint has to be a directory that already exists 8and is empty typically)
16:56<lontra___>legion: how about mkdir /home/legion(or whatever your username is)/backup
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16:56<lontra___>legion: then sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /home/legion/backup
16:57<legion>that will work?
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16:57<lontra___>legion: it should :)
16:57<legion>hmm
16:58<legion>why do i have to create a new folder?
16:58<lontra___>legion: see what floku said above
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16:58<legion>how do I find out the mount point when i cant access the drive?
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16:58<legion>sorry for the stupd questions :P
16:58<lontra___>legion: and your error message says 'No such directory'
16:58<legion>yes
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16:58<legion>fuse: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/dev/sda1: No such file or directory
16:58<legion>Unmounting /dev/sda1 (My Book)
16:59<floku>legion: you can choose the mountpoint anywhere but you have to create this directory before mounting
16:59<legion>oh
16:59<lontra___>hrm ... sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /home/legion/backup
16:59<lontra___>or whatever you called it
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17:00<mikael>legion yes
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17:00<mikael>legion with the -t option
17:00[~]lontra___ hates barking beagles with diarhhea
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17:01<legion>eficient Linux kernel detected. Some driver features are
17:01<legion> not available (swap file on NTFS, boot from NTFS by LILO), and
17:01<legion> unmount is not safe unless it's made sure the ntfs-3g process
17:01<legion> naturally terminates after calling 'umount'.
17:01|-|legion kicked [#debian] debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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17:01<legion>sorry about that
17:01<legion>i have this error
17:01<mikael>lontra does ntfs3g works fine ?
17:02<lontra>mikael: it does here for ntfs filesystem
17:02<lontra>mikael: it's stable
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17:02<legion>http://pastebin.com/m46ceece <-- lontra/mikael/floku if you please
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17:02<lontra>legion: i can't right now ... i have no X :) ... i am d/l and installing kde ...
17:03<legion>oh hahhehe thanks anyways lontra!
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17:03<mikael>legion I don't know
17:03<driver>hello everyone!!
17:03<floku>legion: That means some features are not available for your right now.
17:03<mikael>legion can you try to mount it with ntfs option first
17:03<legion>mikael whats the commadn?
17:03<lontra>hello driver !!
17:04<mikael>legion it doesn't have the write support but can read
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17:04<legion>ugh
17:04<floku>legion: However, you should now be able to see the directories from the external drive at the moutnpoint.
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17:04<legion>i need write/read support :/
17:04<mikael>legion mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /home/legion/backup
17:04<mikael>legion yes but for now you're not able to mount the partition
17:04<lardmaster>how does patch work...
17:05<floku>legion: Run the command "mount" without any arguments and pastebin the output.
17:05<mikael>legion once you can read, you'll use the ntfs3g
17:05<lontra>lardmaster: you download the source package for a program ... and drop the patch in /debian/patches
17:05<lardmaster>it seems like it should work, like the part to patch is there, but it keeps saying hunk failed
17:05<lontra>lardmaster: what are you trying to patch? a debian package?
17:06<mikael>legion as he said, make sure you unmounted the partition before you remount it
17:06<legion>floku - http://pastebin.com/m45d83b2b
17:06<lardmaster>no, a soure tar I downloaded
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17:06<legion>ugh im confused i should know unmount it ?
17:06<lardmaster>the program is a debian package
17:06<lardmaster>but the part im trying to compile is not included
17:06<lontra>lardmaster: can you do ... apt-get source foo
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17:07<lontra>lardmaster: then drop the patch in /foo/debian/patches?
17:07<lardmaster>yah... but it doesn't include the code im looking for
17:07<floku>legion: check out /home/legion/Desktop/backup. It is mounted read-write already.
17:07<lontra>lardmaster: i see
17:07<lardmaster>see
17:07<mikael>legion ok so now you can access the /home/legion/backup directory, right ?
17:07<lardmaster>the program is glest
17:07<lontra>lardmaster: i think w/ patch you should be able to just do patch -p1 foo right?
17:07<lardmaster>and I want g3d viewer
17:07<lardmaster>yah..
17:07<lardmaster>it finds the files and all
17:07<lardmaster>here's an example
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17:08<lardmaster>in the patch...
17:08<legion>floku/mikael it says i dont have access
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17:08<lardmaster>it says http://pastebin.ca/760237
17:08<lardmaster>and in the autogen.sh
17:08<lontra>lardmaster: no X and no web browser on my laptop right now ;(
17:09<lardmaster>ahh
17:09<lontra>lardmaster: in 1 hour i'll have kde ... you could paste it in #flood
17:09<lardmaster>ahh
17:09<lardmaster>kk
17:09<mikael>legion you cannot do ls /home/legion/backup ???
17:09<lardmaster>I need an invitation
17:09<lontra>lardmaster: strange .. me too
17:10<mikael>legion you cannot do ls /home/legion/Desktop/backup ???
17:10<lardmaster>can I paste here
17:10<lardmaster>is 10 lines
17:10<lontra>lardmaster: no debhelper will kick you
17:10<lardmaster>kk
17:10<legion>mikael ok i could do ls i see the content now
17:10<legion>what do i do next?
17:10<lontra>lardmaster: maybe someone else will look at it and help
17:10<lardmaster>arg...
17:10<lardmaster>wait
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17:11<lardmaster>how about a channel like #paste
17:11<lardmaster>or something
17:11<mikael>legion ok now you know how to mount your partition, but you'll just have to use the other driver that supports the ntfs write
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17:11<lardmaster>just join quickly to send it to you
17:11<lontra>sure ok
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17:11<legion>mikael ok how to do that?
17:11<mikael>legion do a lsmod | grep ntfs3g
17:12<legion>done mikael
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17:12<mikael>legion no output ?
17:12<lanceallott>if you have converted an ntfs partition to dynamic disk it will be virtually impossible to work with
17:12<legion>mikael no output
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17:13<mikael>lanceallott to have write ability on ntfs there is something to do apart using the ntfs3g driver ?
17:13<mikael>legion I have never used that driver, it's the first time i hear about it
17:13<legion>lancellot i had full read/write support in gnome on this disk so i know it works
17:13<legion>oh
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17:14<lanceallott>don't know much about ntfs3g offhand but I do know that once you have changed a ntfs to dynamic disks your doomed
17:14<mikael>legion I guess you just have to make sure it's loaded as a module
17:14<legion>lanceallott, how do i do that? i had full read/write in gnome then i removed gnome for kde
17:15<lanceallott>dynamic disk allows you to incresase, or resize a disk on the fly within windows
17:15<mikael>legion can you do locate ntfs3g
17:15<lanceallott>an ntfs disk that is
17:15<legion>lanceallott, i havent done that
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17:15<mikael>lanceallott ah it's the equivalent as lvm
17:16<lanceallott>legion: good... don't
17:16<legion>whats so different with gnome vs kde? i mean it worked like a charm in gnome ?
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17:16<mikael>legion have you located the module ?
17:17<legion>mikael how do i do that?
17:17<mikael>legion locate ntfs3g
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17:17<lanceallott>mikael: you cold say that, but it will only allow you to grow the partition... not shrink it!
17:18<legion>apt-cache search?
17:18<mikael>lanceallott no it was a kind of question actually
17:18<mikael>legion no, locate
17:18<legion>locate ntfs3g <-- nothing happens
17:19<mikael>legion ah ok
17:19<lanceallott>mikael: kinda , maybe, sorta-ah
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17:20<legion>got any ideas?
17:21<mikael>legion maybe it's called fuse, i'm not sure
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17:21<mikael>legion lsmod | grep fuse
17:21<lanceallott>does anyone know the proper url for the site berolus or is it besolous or something can't remember
17:22<legion>mikael it said: fuse 38548 3
17:22<mikael>legion locate fuse
17:22<mikael>ah ok
17:22<floku>legion: Is the "ntfs-3g" package installed on your system?
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17:22<legion>floku yes
17:22<lanceallott>they kinda took over for newbie doc at sourceforge
17:23<mikael>legion i guess i can't help any further, i don't know about this ntfs3g
17:23<legion>ok thanks for trying though mikael!
17:23<floku>legion: I think the first thing you have to do is to umount /dev/sda1 so that you can remount it using the ntfs-3g driver. (as mikael said earlier)
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17:25<legion>okay i unmounted it
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17:25<legion>mount it again?
17:26<floku>legion: Check out "man mount.ntfs-3g" (I don't have it installed here)
17:26<floku>legion: also "man ntfs-3g"
17:26<lanceallott>Fuse is a program or dameon that helps linux understand wierd fs-formats
17:27<mikael>I have a fat partition, but it doesn't support chmod - To give a specific group the ability to write on that fat partition i mount it with the option rw,gid=users. But how can I do if I want specific directories on that fat partitions to be accessible by the group otherusers
17:27<lontra>!rwntfs
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17:28<legion>i tried it again
17:28<legion>now i cant even see the content
17:28<legion>nvm i can seen the content with ls
17:29<legion>but as soon as i click on the folder it says i have no rights
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17:29<legion>"you do not have access rights to this folder"
17:29<floku>legion: is it owned by root maybe?
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17:29<floku>legion: try "ls -l ..." to see the permissions
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17:30<legion>it says root on all
17:30<mikael>legion and permissions ?
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17:30<floku>legion: Then become root, cd to this driectory and do "touch testfile" to see if root can create a file there.
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17:31<ubuntu>I am using ubuntu 7.10 live cd and I am a newbie, I was wondering if anyone could tell me which program is best for watching high definition trailers from www.quicktime.com or www.gametrailers.com. I have tried movie player and mplayer, but they just don't buffer the video long enough.
17:31<lontra>ubuntu: try #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net ;)
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17:31<legion>touch testfile
17:31<legion>touch: cannot touch `testfile': Read-only file system
17:32<floku>legion: can I see the output of "mount" again?
17:32<mikael>legion can you umount the partition, and remount it adding -o rw
17:33|-|mode/#debian [+l 308] by debhelper
17:33<legion>floku http://pastebin.com/m43cf3ebc <-- mount
17:33<nxvl>aricz: are you ari pollak?
17:33<sheldonh>wow there's a surprise. you don't often find a package whose latest version isn't in unstable (munin)
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17:33<lardmaster>can someone help me with patch?
17:33<sheldonh>well, duh, of course you do. but not _this_ old :)
17:33<legion>mikael like this sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /home/legion/Desktop/backup/ -o rw ?
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17:34<lontra>nxvl: type /whois aricz
17:34<mikael>legion yes i think so
17:34<floku>legion: It seems that it still uses the read-only "ntfs" driver, so it does not help that it is mounted "rw" (read-write).
17:34<geronimono>?
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17:34<geronimono>How did I get here?
17:34<mikael>floku ah ok
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17:34<aguu>hi
17:34<nxvl>lontra: done already, there is no real name inthere :(
17:34[~]geronimono does not remember joining #debian!
17:35<floku>legion: Which command did you use to mount it this time?
17:35<mikael>floku lol
17:35<legion>hmm okay but how come when i used GNOME a few hours it dected my drive on auto and i had full rights?
17:35<legion>mikael the one you gave me
17:35<nxvl>nevermind i found him
17:35<nxvl>:P
17:35<aguu>how do i init a network interface?
17:35<legion>isnt rw read write?
17:35<mikael>legion yes you have to replace -t ntfs by -t ntfs3g or something
17:35<aguu>sorry how do i start a network interface?
17:35<aguu>with pppd
17:36[~]geronimono must have phased out...
17:36<floku>legion: Yes, "rw" is read-write, btu that does not help if the driver does not support writing.
17:36<mikael>legion ntfs-3g to be exact
17:36<legion>hmm i see floku
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17:37<legion>mikael i tried to unmount but
17:37<floku>mikael: that sound good, legion you should try that
17:37<legion>"umount device is buys"
17:37<legion>"umount device is busy"
17:37<aguu>for example use nas0 as pppd
17:37<floku>legion: Are you still cd'd to the directory? get out of it.
17:37<aguu>because every time that i want to connect i need to run pppoeconf
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17:39<legion>floku/mikael thanks guys I now have read/write access on my book :)
17:39<legion>one last question.. theres no way i can screw up my drive by doing various commands on linux unless i change the partition right?
17:40<floku>legion: Normaly not, unless the driver has a bug... You should have backups of all your important files anyway.
17:40<njubi___>You guys solved my first problem, would you mind helping me in round 2? Etch got a problem to implement my SATA-HDD into the system. What to do to get access to the data on the Harddisk?
17:41<legion>yeah i understand, well thanks again floku/mikael :)
17:41<lanceallott>aguu: /etc/init.d/networking stop start restart
17:41<njubi___>libhal-stroage.c 1401 : info : called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set.
17:42<aguu>ok i will try
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17:44<njubi___>process 3238 applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application...
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17:44<njubi___>error: device /dev/sda1 is not removable data-storage error: couldnt execute pmount
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17:48<njubi___>anybody an idea?
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17:49<floku>njubi___: pmount only works for removable devices. You have to use the normal mount/fstab mechnism or add the device to /etc/pmount.allow.
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17:49<knoppix_>?server
17:49<knoppix_>oink.me.uk
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17:50<njubi___>what do I have to type into that pmount.allow-file? Whats the line?
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17:51<njubi___>or whats the mount/fstab?
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17:51<floku>njubi___: Normally mounting is done by root using the "mount" command.
17:52<floku>njubi___: /etc/fstab can set preferences for devices and allow normal users to mount some of them.
17:53<floku>njubi___: pmount, on the other hand allows all members of the "plugdev" group to mount removable devices (e.g. usb sticks)
17:53<floku>njubi___: or devices that are listed in /etc/pmount.allow
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17:54<floku>njubi___: so you could try to add one line to pmount.allow that such says "/dev/sda1" (without the quotes) and nothing else.
17:55<floku>njubi___: when you click on a device icon on your desktop then pmount is used (or an equivalent hal-callout).
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17:56<njubi___>which editor should I use to edit the whitelist?
17:57<lontra>guest
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17:57<floku>njubi___: You could try "nano" if you never used another editor.
17:57<floku>njubi___: nano has a small help section constantly visible.
17:58<lontra>njubi__: or gedit if you use gnome or kate if you use kde
17:59<floku>njubi___: If you try nano, keep in mind that "^G get help" means press CTRL + G to get help, etc.
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18:00<lanceallott>it just occured to me that if you don't have the module ntfs.ko loaded or compiled in you won't be able to do nothing with it
18:01<weasel>ntfs-3g doesn't need that
18:01<lanceallott>weasel: ah...I've always been late to the party
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18:02<SVNdude>hi guys
18:03<SVNdude>how do i switch to different rooms in irssi?
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18:03<njubi___>Iontra & floku, thanks so very much, U guys R great It works
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18:03<lanceallott>SVNdude: /join
18:04<SVNdude>I am using vmware debian and there it tells me I am banned
18:04<chuy_max>/join #channel
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18:04<SVNdude>anyway.. how do I install visual stuff like X?
18:04<SVNdude>I have a minimal netinstall
18:05<floku>njubi___: Great that it works. If the drive is permamently built in, then you might want to put it into /etc/fstab to have it mounted automatically at every boot.
18:05<chuy_max>SVNdude, tasksel
18:05<floku>njubi___: see "man fstab" and the examples that are already in that file (your root partition, etc.)
18:05<njubi___>so now its mounted forever? in the pmount.allow?
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18:06<floku>njubi___: pmount.allow just means it will be mounted as soon as you click on the icon
18:07<floku>njubi___: but technically the device is unmounted whenever you log out or shut down the machine
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18:07<floku>njubi___: (it will not be mounted "again" if it is still mounted, though)
18:07<njubi___>oh that doesnt matter, thats cool for me
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18:08<njubi___>fstab means that it is mounted after every booting?
18:08<legion>lol.... i just went into kcontrol and theres NOTHING there.. I mean theres NO settings no nothing.. is this normal ? i evne tried sudo kcontrol but i still dont see anything ?????
18:08<floku>njubi___: yeah, for most practical purposes in a graphical DE, it is "permanent"
18:09<legion>reason why im getting into kcontrol is because im getting an annyoing ctect stream error
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18:09<floku>njubi___: if it has "auto" as an option in fstab, the it is mounted at every boot
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18:11<floku>OK, time to go home now for me. See you later...
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18:17<njubi___>hmmm, I'm confused. What do I have to type into the fstab? /dev/sda1 is clear. But mount point / type / option / dump / pass ??
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18:30<gpm>njubi___: mount point
18:30<gpm>where you want to mount
18:30<gpm>options...there are a lot of them
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18:30<gpm>defaults should work
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18:30<gpm>dump/pass i don't really know, but 0 0 or 0 1 seem to be popular. man fstab
18:30<gpm>man mount
18:30<gpm>it's all there
18:31<gpm>if you're actually interested
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18:32<njubi___>so mount point "/" or "media/hddx"?
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18:32<njubi___>is type a swap?
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18:35<njubi___>so ||| system: /dev/sda1||| mount point: / ||| type: swap ||| options: defaults ||| dump: 0 ||| pass: 0 sounds good?
18:35<gpm>njubi___: depends on the partition. here's the entry for my swap partition:
18:35<gpm>/dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0
18:35<Guest376>hi
18:35<gpm>and here's a normal partition: /dev/hdb1 /media/MEDIUM_POOT xfs defaults 0 2
18:35<gpm>but really you should man mount and man fstab
18:36<njubi___>tell me about man mount, how can I look that up?
18:36<gpm>open a termina
18:36<gpm>l
18:36<gpm>type man mount [enter]
18:36<gpm>and read
18:36<gpm>then once you've read that
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18:36<gpm>type man fstab [enter]
18:36<gpm>and read taht
18:37<gpm>it's free, good documentation
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18:38<njubi___>thx, Im gonna read that
18:39<njubi___>big thx @gpm
18:39<geronimono>Eh? Did the server split?
18:39<gpm>big yw
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18:39<geronimono>What is going on?
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18:39<gpm>the same stuff that always is going on
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18:40<geronimono>OFTC?
18:40[~]geronimono was mysteriously transported to the twilight zone it sems.
18:41[~]geronimono was in FreeNode...
18:41<geronimono>weird....
18:41<gpm>lol
18:42<E0x>stop smoking that
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18:42<geronimono>My irc client must have gotten confused.
18:43<geronimono>It has connected to OFTC and joined channels that do not exist of OFTC but on FreeNode.
18:43<geronimono>madness!
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18:43<E0x>geronimono: do are you using opendns ?
18:44[~]geronimono is checking...
18:44<geronimono>no...
18:44<E0x>when i was using the dns server from opendns same happen to me
18:44<geronimono>I am not running any sort of NS.
18:45[~]geronimono probably got hacked.
18:45<E0x>i mean the on that you are using in you /etc/resolv.conf
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18:46<geronimono>nothing out of place in resolv.conf...
18:46<geronimono>dhcp has dictated.
18:46<geronimono>...the content.
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18:50<geronimono>my isp's name server was being fucked with perhaps.
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18:51<geronimono>So...
18:51<geronimono>is #debian the default channel for OFTC?
18:51<lontra>geronimono: for general debian support yes
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18:52<geronimono>interesting...
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18:53<lcr>is there a way to run make-kpkg and keep it from cleaning the sources?
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18:57<burrunito>hola
18:57<burrunito>buenas noches
18:57<burrunito>a todos
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18:57<burrunito>hay alguine que me pueda ayudar?
18:57<lontra>!es
18:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:57<geronimono>augua?
18:58<burrunito>ok
18:58<burrunito>thanks
18:58<lontra>de nada ;)
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19:00<geronimono>freenode/#debian is almost identical to oftc/#debian...
19:01<geronimono>!unlobotomy
19:03<lontra>actually #debian on freenode has ~775 nicks while #debian on OFTC has ~285
19:03<lontra>so not identical
19:04<geronimono>okay
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19:20<ricardo>test*
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19:39<motalus-organixc>i'm trying to set up a mediawiki but whenever i link the directory to /var/www/ it says i do not have permission to access /mediawiki/ on this server, when i go to configure it. even if its permissions are 777
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19:39<motalus-organixc>whats going on?
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19:41<Eulex>motalus-organixc, checked your apache configuration?
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19:41<motalus-organixc>Eulex: what should i be looking for?
19:41<motalus-organixc>Eulex: i though anything within var/www/ would be accesable if apache could
19:42<motalus-organixc>in the past i've just linked files to there
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19:42<Eulex>motalus-organixc, the declaration for /var/www (aka document root).
19:45<motalus-organixc>ok, i found it, what shold i look for? as it is it says documentroot is /var/ww/ and within that ti says Options indexes followsymlinks multiviews, allowoverride none, order allow,deny, allow from all
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19:50<Hideo_Kuze>hmm it seems wpa_supplicant broke just after the openssl upgrade from sid, I have no idea how to trace back
19:51<Hideo_Kuze>any ideas?
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19:52<kurumin>deBIAN
19:53<kurumin>exit
19:53<kurumin>quit
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19:53<Hideo_Kuze>numbnut
19:53<kurumin>include
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19:53<kurumin>salir
19:53<kurumin>sair
19:53<kurumin>buceta
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19:53<Hideo_Kuze>gtfo
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19:55<norbert_>hi all, I just made a fresh etch install
19:56<motalus-organixc>damnit, i just mad a directory called mediawiki and made the perms 777 and it wont let me into it
19:56<motalus-organixc>its not a link
19:56<norbert_>and I noticed the time was 1 hour ahead, so I installed ntpdate
19:56<norbert_>then something happened that I remember also happened when I installed Debian several months ago
19:56<norbert_>X crashed
19:56<norbert_>because of me running: # ntpdate ntp.xs4all.nl
19:57<norbert_>maybe because something is using the clock and the hour went -1
19:57<norbert_>or because gnome tried to update the panel app; either way, X crashes because of ntpdate; and only when I run it the first time, now everything is fine
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20:00<norbert_>I'll file a bug report for ntpdate using reportbug
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20:00<motalus-organixc>i cant add a directory to /var/www/ without not bieng ble to access it via the web
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20:00<motalus-organixc>it makes no sense
20:00<motalus-organixc>i've always sym linked directories into var/www/ and had them show up on the web, and there are some done like that right now that are working, why isnt a new one doing anything?
20:00<motalus-organixc>it says i don't have access to it
20:01<motalus-organixc>but the permissions are 777 and +x and i chowned it to my normal user
20:01<motalus-organixc>at first i thought it was because it was a sym link, but i just created a comnpletely new directory and the same thing is happening
20:01<norbert_>motalus-organixc, I think you have to change something in /etc/apache2/
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20:03<gpm>motalus-organixc: pastebin your apache2.conf
20:04<motalus-organixc>gpm, never used pastebin before
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20:05<motalus-organixc>!pastebin
20:05<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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20:05<gpm>norbert_: which version of debian?
20:05<Hideo_Kuze>the latest libssl0.9.8 upgrade in sid broke wpasupplicant, someone experienced with wpasupplicant please test and take a look, thanks
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20:06<motalus-organixc>http://pastebin.ca/760422
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20:06<gpm>norbert_: doesn't crash my X here
20:07<gpm>Hideo_Kuze: wish i could help :(
20:07<Hideo_Kuze>gpm: :(
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20:08<gpm>haha
20:08<gpm>motalus-organixc: how about /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default ?
20:08<gpm>can you paste that too
20:09<Hideo_Kuze>apt-cache show wpasupplicant does show a dependency on libssl0.9.8, and it's just been upgraded today, so my guess is it's highly likely libssl0.9.8's fault
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20:09<gpm>such is the life using sid
20:10<Hideo_Kuze>gpm: yes :P
20:10<gpm>you could try downgrading using stuff from snapshot
20:10<motalus-organixc>gpm: just updated http://pastebin.ca/760429
20:10<Hideo_Kuze>gpm: but if no one uses sid, no one would be able to discover the bug
20:10<gpm>Hideo_Kuze: you're a great servant to free software
20:11<Hideo_Kuze>granted I'm no expert in debugging
20:11<Hideo_Kuze>but each person using sid has a different combo of packages installed
20:11<Hideo_Kuze>so should provide different feedback if a package breaks
20:11<gpm>motalus-organixc: try making www-data the user and group owner
20:12<gpm>of course.
20:12<Hideo_Kuze>so even if I'm a nub, in a tiniest way I still contribute :P
20:12<gpm>motalus-organixc: also, if you've made any changes to apache2.conf or this file you just pasted, you need to restart apache for them to take effect
20:12<Hideo_Kuze>or atleast that's how I'd like to think
20:12<gpm>anyway, your config looks ok to me
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20:13<gpm>if changing permissions doesn't work...i dunno what to tell ya
20:13<gpm>it's something else
20:13<motalus-organixc>gpm: havent touched the file in a while, trying the chown though
20:13<motalus-organixc>gpm, still forbiddin with the group/user change
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20:13<gpm>actually, here's how my /var/www looks: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-11-02 12:27 www
20:13<gpm>weird.
20:14<gpm>paste what the log says
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20:15<motalus-organixc>76.15.38.75 - - [03/Nov/2007:20:13:36 -0400] "GET /mediawiki/ HTTP/1.1" 403 314 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.8)
20:15<kubitz>Talking of bugs - as a new user I've found it hard to tell whether ther ewas actually a bug or whether I have done something wrong. Which way should you sway on that? For example I've had no trouble using gpg at the command line but when I tried the Gnome front end it just didn't work and I gave up and went back to the command line. I didn't report it.
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20:15<gpm>motalus-organixc: but can you access index.html or index.php or whatever you have...like try making an index.html file and just accessing that
20:15<gpm>server.tld/index.html
20:16<motalus-organixc>gpm: yeah, i can access that fine
20:16<gpm>ok
20:16<motalus-organixc>as well as some other directories i currently have sym linked to /var/www
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20:16<gpm>what if you make a dir in /var/www
20:16<gpm>mkdir /var/www/test
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20:16<gpm>and try server.tld/test
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20:17<motalus-organixc>gpm: lol, i can access test fine
20:17<gpm>ok
20:17<motalus-organixc>pgm: wtf?
20:17<motalus-organixc>*gpm:
20:17<gpm>so it's something funny with that dir
20:18<gpm>actually
20:18<motalus-organixc>gpm: i've made it and taken it away several times though
20:18<gpm>is there anything inside of this mediawiki directory?
20:18<motalus-organixc>all the files for mediawiki
20:18<gpm>it's probably the permissions on those files
20:19<gpm>try chmod -R 777 the mediawiki dir
20:19<gpm>the key is -R
20:19<gpm>recursive
20:19<motalus-organixc>gpm: is that safe if i'm going to be putting it up on the web?
20:19<gpm>motalus-organixc: no, but at least it's a start
20:19<gpm>we can change it later
20:19<gpm>try it
20:20<gpm>if it works
20:20<gpm>then you need to figure out what kinds of permissions you want in there
20:20<gpm>that will work
20:20<gpm>certainly you need it world-readable
20:20<gpm>and probably executable too (+x)
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20:21<motalus-organixc>gpm: i think it was just something weird with that specific directory name
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20:21<gpm>motalus-organixc: unlikely...mediawiki...it's just a bunch of letters
20:21<motalus-organixc>gpm: maybe mediawiki somehow blocks off its directory from apache when you first go to configure it?
20:21<gpm>just try the 777
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20:22<gpm>chmod -R 777 /var/www/mediawiki
20:22<gpm>see if it works
20:22<gpm>if it does, you know it's just a permissions problem
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20:22<gpm>and then you can go about figuring out what kinds of permissions you want
20:22<motalus-organixc>gpm: i just made a new dir called nexus and linked everything from /usr/share/mediawiki1.10/ to /var/www/nexus and its working now
20:23<Brunna>ola
20:23<Brunna>td bein?
20:23<motalus-organixc>!espaniol
20:23<dpkg>well, espaniol is wetback speak
20:23<gpm>motalus-organixc: look. i'm telling you it's probably permissions. there's no reason even numbers and dots would make a directory inaccessable
20:23<gpm>!spanish
20:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:23<Brunna>you are eua?
20:23<gpm>motalus-organixc: you pulled up the wrong factoid dude
20:23<motalus-organixc>gpm: wow, yeah, def the wrong one
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20:24<gpm>anyway good luck with your wiki
20:24<gpm>btw there's a debian package for it
20:24<gpm>apt-get install mediawiki
20:24<gpm>or mediawiki1.10
20:24<gpm>in sid anyway
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20:24<motalus-organixc>gpm: thanks man
20:25<motalus-organixc>gpm: no clue whats wrong anymore but its working so.. meh
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20:26<Brunna>oi td bein?
20:26<motalus-organixc>gpm: do you know how i would delete a mysql database?
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20:27<motalus-organixc>gpm: nvm got it
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20:27<Brunna>ola alguem do brasil akie?
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20:30<Brunna>hello
20:30<bzed>!br
20:30<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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20:31<Brunna>how are you?
20:31<dpkg>Brunna: you know how it is...
20:34<motalus-organixc>thanks gpm, ttyl8r
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20:34<Brunna>where are you from?
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20:59<bighornram>setting up a network printer, hplip finds the printer, appears to install it, but when I try to print the job stops and nothing prints. In cups is shows the printer but next to the name it has "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed" any ideas what I am missing?
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21:00<marcel>hi guys, why does "dpkg --set-selections" work when i enter a package name separated by tab from "install" to stdin, continued by ctrl-d && aptitude install, but neither "cat selectionlist | dpkg --set-selections" nor "dpkg --set-selections <selectionlist" works
21:01<marcel>courius to me: on one of 3 systems the "piped-version" worked fine
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21:02<marcel>and yes, I read the official documentation on http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/ch-package.en.html#s-record ;)
21:03<GhostlyDeath>If it works why are you complaining?
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21:04<marcel>it works on ONE system only, the question is: why does it not work on the other two?
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21:27<marcel>hey GhostlyDeath: any more unpolished comments? :p bye
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21:50<rogerturbo500>hi
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21:50<rogerturbo500>anyone knows how use alltray?
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21:54<rogerturbo500>anyone knows how use alltray?
21:54<ubuntu>hi
21:54<ubuntu>does people here use ubuntu?
21:54<rogerturbo500>anyone knows how use alltray?
21:54<rogerturbo500>ubuntu i use
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21:54<ubuntu>hi
21:54<ubuntu>does people here use ubuntu?
21:54<rogerturbo500>i use
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22:02<bighornram>what do I install in gnome to configure a network printer/ hplip, all installs etc, thinks it is working but print job just stops no printer icon appears.
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22:40<Requiem>When I shutdown I get a message in all caps telling me that my hard drive may not have shut down properly and to update the shutdown utility
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22:43<cusco>I have seen that too
22:43<cusco>now that you mention it
22:45<Requiem>ah heck
22:45<Requiem>think I found it
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22:45<Requiem>IDE mode emulation isn't supported on the ICH9
22:45<Requiem>I should be using AHCI mode
22:46<Requiem>cept I can't bloody burn CDs with AHCI on
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22:46<mogaal>Hi, i have a problem with su command
22:46<mogaal>the error is this
22:46<mogaal>Or is aa bugs
22:47<mogaal>isis@Isis:~$ su
22:47<mogaal>Violación de segmento
22:47<mogaal>isis@Isis:~$ su -Instrucción ilegal
22:47<mogaal>isis@Isis:~$
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22:47<mogaal>:(
22:47<gsimmons>!paste
22:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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22:48<ArcAiN6>anyone alive
22:48<ArcAiN6>!svgalib
22:48<dpkg>well, svgalib is a full screen graphics library for linux, horiblly unreliable and insecure, or reliable for me..., or _cool_ when your video card is supported and usually makes quake fly!, or can lock up your machine, and force you to reboot
22:48<Requiem>mogaal: Um, what's that mean in English?
22:48<mogaal>Requiem: Segment violation
22:49<mogaal>:(
22:49<ArcAiN6>has anyone here managed to get advancemame and advancemenu working on debian ETCH?
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22:50<mogaal>i can login by root if i use ssh... for example: ssh root@localhost
22:50<mogaal>but with su command i can't, i wet this problem
22:50<ArcAiN6>i compiled the svgalib, and insmod the svga_helper.ko moduel, but when i try to start advancemenu, i get a somplaint about " can't use svgalib without the svgalib library "
22:51<ArcAiN6>i thought of using framebuffer, because it's supported with the software, but i wouldn't begin to know how to do all that
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22:59<Nemoder>mogaal: check dmesg, see if you have hardware errors, if not then maybe your software has been altered, you check that with debsums
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23:10<nexx_>any one know of any different file managment appz?
23:10<nexx_>right now im using nautilus
23:10<ArcAiN6>!fb
23:10<dpkg>fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text), or fluxbox
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23:11<ArcAiN6>!sdl
23:11<dpkg>sdl is, like, the Simple DirectMedia Layer at http://libsdl.org/, or see esd-sdl, or #sdl
23:11<ArcAiN6>!esd-sdl
23:11<dpkg>[esd-sdl] To get sdl-using devices to work with esd, ensure that libsdl1.2-esd is purged and install libsdl1.2debian-esd
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23:15<HighMage>Can anyone tell me a good tutorial/e-book for beginners in Ubuntu?
23:15<nexx_>!ubuntu
23:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
23:15<mogaal>lol
23:15<mogaal>hahahaha
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23:16<HighMage>!register
23:16<dpkg>[register] '/msg nickserv help'
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23:16<mogaal>please somebody can helh me to find a good tutorial about who use windows?
23:16<mogaal>xD
23:16[~]nexx_ wonders why so many people that use ubuntu come to this channel looking for help
23:16<mogaal>help*
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23:17<mogaal>don't hace duties
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23:20<mogaal>Ok
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23:22<Daws>!hmm
23:22[~]dpkg wonders why daws wasted 4 keypresses on that
23:26<blarson>mogaal: the debian installation manual will help cure your windows system.
23:27<mogaal>jaja
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23:29<saltmiser>you in stock gnome that package update systray alert thing?
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23:30<saltmiser>what's the kde equivilent of that, if any..
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23:33<kminor>Hello, I used Synaptic to LOCK the version of a particular package and now it's stating it's broken and I cannot populate any packages in synaptic nor can I use apt-get or dpkg --force-all/--force-remove-reinstreq or whatever to remove the package...any idea's on how to unlock the version lock in synaptic if you cannot select the package through synaptic? I've tried to 'unhold' at the command line, but it seems it's still locked...any suggestions would
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23:34<kminor>i've even looked into /var/lib/dpkg/info at the packages .preinst .postrm etc. files to no avail...
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23:34<kminor>but the synaptic version lock is what caused synaptic to not list any packages
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23:35<kminor>Stating: Error accessing Internel Cache, Please report
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23:36<ricardo>!hora
23:36<dpkg>rumour has it, hora is a hoe!
23:36-Olhe:#debian-ricardo: Sat Nov 03 22:36:48 BRT 2007
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23:38<kminor>any other way to force remove a pkg other than all of the options i've tried under dpkg --force-help?
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23:40<linuxfce>i have my nvidia 8400M GS laptop gpu oc'd to 600mhz core, 900mhz memory
23:40[~]ArcAiN6 listens to the sizzling noises
23:40<kminor>Cannot find php.ini! is also an error i get with dpkg however the php.ini file I have IS in my $PATH
23:40<linuxfce>lol arc
23:41<ArcAiN6>have you tried updatedb then locate php.ini
23:41<ArcAiN6>;)
23:41<linuxfce>i have the fan on 100%, not sure if that'll help much
23:41<ArcAiN6>put it in a baggie and seal it, then put it in a tub of ice water ..
23:41<ArcAiN6>:)
23:41<ArcAiN6>lol
23:42<linuxfce>stock speeds are 400/600, and im at 600/900 stable
23:42<linuxfce>amazing
23:42<linuxfce>thanks to gddr3 i think
23:42<ArcAiN6>i suppose if you had the knowhow you could build a few heatpipes or something for it
23:42<linuxfce>not with this laptop, could hardly fit a credit card in this without a bulge
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23:43<ArcAiN6>cause you know, even thos you are stable atm, you're generating alot of heat, and not to mention at that kinda OC, your battery life and hardware life might go to sh*t
23:43<linuxfce>http://www.antiyes.com/imagebin/images/0.67412100%201191454211.jpg
23:43<linuxfce>thats my laptop
23:44<linuxfce>http://www.antiyes.com/imagebin/images/0.21598000%201193293552.jpg
23:44<linuxfce>and thats my laptop after i took it apart
23:44<ArcAiN6>hrm... you could replace the metal KB backing with an ultra thin heatpipe... you'de have to have a milling machine, some copper and an arc welder, then lap it down smooth and to size... but the hardest part would be sealing that bad boy and filling it
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23:45[~]ArcAiN6 see's the dell logo and looks for his flame thrower
23:45<linuxfce>lol, dell is the best laptop for the price
23:45<linuxfce>and this ones pretty linux friendly
23:45<ArcAiN6>-=[ insert ominous reet-reet-reet- horror film soudns here ]=-
23:46<linuxfce>lol
23:46<ArcAiN6>well... i suppose it's better than paying way too much for a skinned dell called an alienware
23:46[~]ArcAiN6 giggles
23:46<linuxfce>ill agree on dells gaming platforms being hideously overpriced
23:46<ArcAiN6>fix my linux for me linuxfce
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23:47<linuxfce>whats wrong with your linux
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23:47<ArcAiN6>it doesn't like old apps that are so far past EoL
23:47<ArcAiN6>EoL == End of Life
23:47<kminor>ArcAiN6 : haha, I hear that, dell==blegh...I'm trying ur suggestion on thaserver...thnks for ur suggestion btw.
23:47<ArcAiN6>suggestion??
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23:48<linuxfce>none
23:48<ArcAiN6>oh.. the updatedb then locate dpkg --install kernel-image-*.deb
23:48<linuxfce>my usenet download of ghost hunters is done
23:48<ArcAiN6>oops
23:48[~]ArcAiN6 waits for mIRC to compile that kernel so i can use that command and install it
23:49<ArcAiN6>lmao
23:49<ArcAiN6>i'm staring at about 2 hours of kernel compiling....
23:49<ArcAiN6>all because i wanna turn this junky old compuke 1ghz into a mame cabenet
23:50<ArcAiN6><--- luv's freebie PC's
23:50<linuxfce>im gunna watch this, have fun updating the search database..
23:50<ArcAiN6>i'm bored
23:51<ArcAiN6>entertain me linuxfce
23:51<ArcAiN6>although i do have new eps of bleach to watch....
23:51<linuxfce>hmm, didn't need any pars to extract that one
23:51<linuxfce>its a shame downloading 20% of file as pars and not needing them
23:52<ArcAiN6>wish blizzard would make a linux version of WoW
23:52<kminor>ArcAiN6 : it's a no go..the package is dtc 0.26.8-1 from the ftp.gplhost repository for etch....it worked flawlessly until this last update...bleggh...might have to backup and reinstall...haven't done that in a few years :/
23:52<linuxfce>you seen the south park about wow?
23:53<linuxfce>season 9, make love, not warcraft
23:53<linuxfce>its a must see
23:53<ArcAiN6>kminor that updatedb just updates the database of file locations on your system, that way you could look for php.ini
23:54<ArcAiN6>for your particular problem i think you might be able to edit a file and unlock the apt-get sessions
23:54<ArcAiN6>hold on a sec
23:54<ArcAiN6>nope... i have no clue how to unlock it
23:55<ArcAiN6>you could manually download it and build it from source if there's no deb right?
23:56<kminor>ArcAiN6 : haha yeah, I hear ya...I installed it from a .deb but yeah I can download the source...then maybe I can use that to remove it like you suggested...good idea...
23:57<ArcAiN6>if anything you'll have an idea of where everything
23:57<ArcAiN6>is
23:57<kminor>tainted nonofficial rep0z == b00, If I put a .deb in a repo I'd be damn sure to test it on etch/lenny/sid before hand...that just gets to me...
23:58<ArcAiN6>yea
23:58<ArcAiN6>waht really bleached my bumfur is when you have a ton of outdated documentation to weed through to find something they considder current and it's over a year old
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