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00:51<k-man>are there any router projects based on debian?
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00:52<EMO>I have a question in regards to building a new kernel
00:54<EMO>after I build a new kernel using kernel package I get errors trying to compile packages from source
00:56<george>k-man: the typical thing is to set up two or more interfaces, one of which having the default route and then install ipmasq
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00:59<george>EMO: /msg dpkg ask
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01:00<k-man>george, i'm looking for a more out of the box approach, like pfsense
01:00<k-man>for example
01:01<george>won't be me... ask the chennel :)
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01:02<EMO>what george
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01:08<claudio_>ay alguin aqui???????????'
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01:22<george>claudio_: /msg dpkg es
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01:24<stranger>hello all
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01:26<stranger>I am having problems apt-getting w32codecs for days, it halts on 25%, I ma using ftp.be.debian.org, ftp.de.debian.org and ftp.at.debian.org with non-free and contrib
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01:26<dondelelcaro>stranger: none of those have w32codecs
01:27<jm_>indeed, if it is it's on d-m
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01:28<stranger>dondelelcaro, I also have debian-multimedia.org with main only
01:29<stranger>dondelelcaro, and it w32codecs shows in apt-cache search and in aptitude
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01:30<dondelelcaro>stranger: yes, because you have a debian-multimedia sources.list entry
01:30<dondelelcaro>stranger: if it's not downloading from there, pick a different mirror of d-m.
01:30<ameyer>perhaps the particular d-m mirror you're using is having issues
01:30[~]ameyer got beat to that by dondelelcaro
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01:35<davidaiello>hello
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01:36<davidaiello>ridiculously new to this
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01:39<italian111>how do i get a channel list?
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01:42<anibal_>italian111, type /list
01:42<italian111>thanks
01:43<anibal_>italian111, np
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01:46<stranger>ok.. working now, thanks dondelelcaro
01:46<stranger>where can I find vlc?
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01:46<stranger>it is not in debian multimedian
01:47<stranger>spello
01:47<Gef>vlc is in main
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01:50<stranger>this is my sources: http://paste.debian.net/41516 and vlc does not show in apt-cache as vlc only some libraries
01:53<gsimmons>stranger: vlc isn't currently available in testing. You can backport it from sid.
01:54<stranger>oh, I see, I am currently using xine and mplayer but it seems they do not cover all codecs
01:55<gsimmons>stranger: You might want to run the binary_codecs.sh script supplied with the 'mplayer' package.
01:58<stranger>gsimmons, whereis doesn't show that file
01:58<stranger>neither does locate
01:59<stranger>is it distributed with mplayer or should I downloaded separately?
01:59<jm_>it's part of Debian's mplayer package
01:59<jm_>!tell stranger -about search
01:59<gsimmons>stranger: Ah, you're using the mplayer package from dmm then (instead of Debian main). Can't help you.
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02:00<stranger>gsimmons, I do not know the source of mplayer. I have dm and main in my sources then I apt-get installed it
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02:10<screenn>hi all
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02:13<gpm>gsimmons: there is no binary_codecs.sh in the mplayer provided in sid
02:13<gpm>:(
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02:34<gsimmons>gpm: It's in 1.0~rc2-4 on i386.
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02:39<oddtod>hey guys do you guys know of a comman / app that will take a hard drive and copy it onto a hard drive of the same size?
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02:41<jm_>oddtod: yes
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02:42<oddtod>jm_ what would i use ?
02:43<dli>oddtod, simply dd, or more fancy: partimage
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02:45<jm_>oddtod: or systemimager
02:46<oddtod>dd is pretty easy right something like dd if=/dev/hda(org hard drive) of=/dev/hdc(copy hard drive)?
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02:47<klys>you should make sure the block counts match first with fdisk
02:48<jm_>naah, dd will copy over the partition table too - but check the sizes first in /proc/partitions
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02:48<jm_>(of entire drives, i.e. hda/hdc)
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02:59<gpm>gsimmons: it must be because i'm using a marillat package
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03:01<oddtod>hmm drives might now be perfect match
03:01<jm_>it's OK if target drive is slightly bigger too
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03:03<oddtod>the amount of data being used doesn't matter does it?
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03:05<jm_>not if you're going to use dd
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03:21<oddtod>hey guys is there any way i can do the DD backup of one drive to another over the network?
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03:22<oddtod>i'm giong to boot witha live disk with my laptop and i have a drive sitting in my storage box that i was goign to remove and use a direct USB connection but if i could do it over the network that would be money
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03:28<jm_>I have used nc for that in the past
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03:32<oddtod>jm_ how would i do that sir?
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03:33<jm_>oddtod: dd if=/dev/foo | nc <targethost> <port>, and on target host you run nc -l -p <port> | dd of=/dev/bar
03:33<jm_>hopefully it's gigabit ;)
03:33<jm_>(you need to run nc -l -p first)
03:34<oddtod>its actually 100 but i don't really care its going to go over night
03:34<oddtod>haha it is around 120 gigs though
03:34<oddtod>hahh
03:34<oddtod>oh shoot its going to do every inch of data so its 160 haha
03:35<jm_>~35G per hour
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03:36<oddtod>oh that will work out perfect
03:36<oddtod>i need to sleep anyway
03:36<oddtod>haha
03:36<oddtod>now i need to figure out how to set up NC
03:36<jm_>you have the commands above
03:37<jm_>use the same port on both machines
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03:37<oddtod>and they will find each other?
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03:39<jm_>yeah
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04:12<WildOS>I am using kernel 2.6.22 and glibc 2.6.1 on an arm controller.. Everything ran smoothly, until I decided to add some while loops and etc to ensure graceful quit.. now, I get the following "double free or corruption (out):" even though I have not added any new deletes.. Searched a lot on google, but I can't find a solution..
04:13<WildOS>the same program still exits normaly on a x86 system....
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04:26<jm_>WildOS: try using libc allocation debugging
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04:33<hrw>hi
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04:35<hrw>I have a question - does Debian 'sid' switch to glibc 2.7 or maybe it is in 'sid' by accident?
04:36<blarson>hrw: It was an accedent. See the message in the debian-devel mailing list archives.
04:37<padski>http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/11/msg00033.html
04:37<hrw>thx
04:37<WildOS>oh, and the jm_: when is the abort signal supposed to happen? at the exact moment as you try to delete something for the second time? When I run the program with remote gdb It seems like it happens all at the end...
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04:40<hrw>ok, so it looks like 2.7 will be in sid anyway so it should be safe to upgrade - am I right?
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04:46<jm_>WildOS: it's not clear when it happens due to heap corruption
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04:54<padski>hrw: define 'safe'
04:55<hrw>padski: 'safe' as: my desktop will still works stable like it does now with glibc 2.6
04:55<jm_>did you have the same worries when glibc 2.6 was uploaded?
04:56<hrw>jm_: not at all. but it does not had 'exp' in version
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04:57<dli>2.6 libc is in marked stable in gentoo, a good sign
04:58<padski>also, the moon is in virgo, which bodes well for orderly transistions ;-)
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04:59<WildOS>jm_: I found the solution.. rebooted the kernel, and now it works like a dream
04:59<jm_>WildOS: that's a very windows way of solving problems
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05:01<WildOS>jm_: I agree =)
05:02<WildOS>but I just couldn't understand why this problem suddenly started occuring without me changing anything that could have such an effect
05:04<WildOS>Everything seems really stable now
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05:40<Needhelp>hello i've a problem with relating two debian s
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05:42<JasonS>!ask
05:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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05:44<Needhelp>okay
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05:44<Needhelp>they are connected by a crossover cable
05:44<Needhelp>and then when i ping both local ips they see each other but i can't get them through sharing files and folders
05:46<petemc>sharing, how?
05:46<Needhelp>with NFS
05:46<Needhelp>one cannot enter in the other
05:46<Needhelp>(sorry for my english :) )
05:48<jm_>did you configure it at all?
05:48<Needhelp>nfs well yes i think
05:49<jm_>does showmount show you exports?
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05:50<Needhelp>yep both PCs know they are connected but no one can access
05:50<Needhelp>to the other one
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05:50<Needhelp>i also use samba
05:50<Needhelp>can it come from it ?
05:50<jm_>access as root?
05:50<jm_>no
05:50<Needhelp>no access as a user simply
05:51<Needhelp>in order to share files
05:51<jm_>but are you mounting it as root?
05:51<Needhelp>not now but I did check and when i'm root it's the same thing
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05:53<jm_>well you'll need to provide more details then
05:54<Needhelp>okay i explain in a more explicit way :)
05:54<Needhelp>both pcs are related
05:54<Needhelp>and both have nfs-shared folders
05:54<Needhelp>but when i try to access to them (as a root or as an user)
05:55<Needhelp>i have no error message or whatever i just can't see the pcs in the network
05:55<Needhelp>though I see the windows network
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05:57<jmux>Hi - I'm looking for someone with knowledge about dak. I want to mirror Debian stable and add additional software via upload queue and create new releases on demand. I have a working dak with upload, but couldn't find script to keep in sync with an other repository, or insert a package without using upload and changes.
05:57<jm_>uhm you don't see NFS exports like that
05:58<Needhelp>nop but ping is okay
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05:59<jm_>I suggest you read NFS howto - the idea is to export things, then verify with showmount that it's OK, then mount it (or use autofs)
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06:00<Needhelp>okay i check now thanks
06:01<jm_>so when mount is done you simply access the files as they were local
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06:04<Needhelp>well yes i do use it between fedora and it works , i must have forgotten something :)
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06:09<sven>hey
06:09<sven>i´m using debian for a few weeks now...
06:09<sven>but i have several problems with it...
06:09<sven>e.g. i do not succed updating my software to acceptable versions, kde is still 3.5.5
06:10<sven>i also can´t install packages like splashy an compiz because packages shipped with etch 4.0 AND packages in the online repositories are simply too old
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06:10<sven>what can i do
06:10<sven>?
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06:12<sven>also, i have been looking for a configuration directory, but i found none
06:12<sven>in suse, it was /etc/sysconfig, where is it here?
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06:16<contrast83>!nvidia
06:16<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
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06:18<sven>hey, 278 users online and noone able to answer my newb-questions? that´s not possible :)
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06:19<marsbiker>sven: hm, look at your sources.list ;)
06:20<jm_>sven: stable doesn't get upgrades, only security fixes
06:20<sven><marsbiker> yik, what repositories should i specify there?
06:20<sven>i have many already ^^
06:20<padski_>sven: if the versions of packages in etch are not to your taste, because they are 'simply too old', then you could consider using newer packages, either from backports, or by running testing or unstable. consider carefully, these options are not for everyone, it is called 'stable' for a reason.
06:20<jm_>as for config directory - some of it is in /etc/default, but it's not really the same as RH/SuSE
06:21<sven>oh, ok...
06:21<Tolimar>sven: Well... Configurations are stored in /etc or in your home folder. And if you are Using Debian stable aka "Etch" you'll have to life with KDE 3.5.5
06:21<hrw>bye
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06:21<sven><Tolimar> ... or compile a newer version myself. i see :)
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06:21<sven>ok, i think i´ll survive it... :D
06:22<sven>just wanted to know if i´m doin anything wrong...
06:24<padski_>sven: and if you keep your question short and to the point, it is more easily read.
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06:24<sven><padski_> ok, ill try next time :)
06:24<sven>thx & cu
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06:57<Akuna>#ubuntu-fr
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07:01<andy_>anyone know a good SATA2 RAID controller for linux?
07:01<^eRicSOn_nYtEmO^>hey andy_
07:02<^eRicSOn_nYtEmO^> how i get free psybnc
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07:11<Akuna><doofy>hi i need gelp
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07:13<padski>!ask
07:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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07:19<Akuna>heu my processor Na veiled not all its power acer Aspire 1640 INTEL
07:19<Akuna>centrino 1.7
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07:25<ra9ftm>how to do chown for files with point start (for example .smb , .themes and es) ??
07:25<ra9ftm>chown -R user * - is not working!
07:26<jm_>chown -R user .*
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07:27<ra9ftm>jm_, not working also. It is also go to ../ ........ ! :(
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07:27<jm_>ra9ftm: in that case simply expand it and remove .. from the list
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07:30<Needhelp>hello (that's me again)
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07:31<Needhelp>i did follow the NFS howto but when i want to mount they tell me permission denied but i did check /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow and all seems okay on both computers, any ideas ?
07:37<jm_>Needhelp: that's covered in NFS howto
07:38<Needhelp>yep i've found it
07:38<Needhelp>but they say you have to run exportfs after having allowed the hosts
07:38<jm_>so make those checks first
07:38<Needhelp>what i did and still does not work
07:38<jm_>how did you allow the hosts?
07:39<Needhelp>by /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.allow
07:39<jm_>well you'll need to mention the details
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07:41<Needhelp>i did run /etc/exports (through nano) and modify by adding
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07:41<jm_>yeah, content is what matters
07:41<Needhelp>"/home host(rw)" and "/mnt host(rw)
07:41<Needhelp>(without the " ")
07:42<Needhelp>host was the local ip of the other computer
07:42<Needhelp>and in /etc/hosts.allow I only put the local ip (i'm not sure of that)
07:42<Needhelp>yes i'm sure but i'm not sure that was the way of doing it i mean
07:43<jm_>just your IP? that's wrong
07:43<jm_>portmap: IP
07:43<jm_>like that
07:43<jm_>and the same for at least mountd
07:43<jm_>probably statd too
07:44<Needhelp>okay i try
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07:44<jm_>then restart NFS server
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07:44<Needhelp>ok
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07:45<jm_>(I don't think this is needed, just to be sade)
07:45<jm_>safe
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07:46<Needhelp>yep better to make sure ;)
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07:54<sk_>test
07:54<sk_>hello!
07:54<sk_>hello!
07:55<sk_>hello?
07:55<Needhelp>(see the documentation in english is much more better than the one in french...)
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07:57<nd>!test
07:57<dpkg>Test Failed.
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07:58<sk_>Hi!
07:59<sk_>NEED HELP about loading modules!
07:59<JasonS>!tell sk_ about ask
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08:04<sk_>my opegl program (wolfenstein - enemy territory) runs extremely slowly.
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08:04<sk_>i read docs on the net and reached an conclusion
08:05<sk_>that there seems to be a problem on mesa lib or direct rendering.
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08:06<knoppix_>hallo
08:06<sk_>hello, knoppix_.
08:06<knoppix_>how i am?
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08:08<sk_>i tried to load dri modules using then following command: #insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers.dri/*.*
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08:10<oscar>#debian-es
08:10<sk_>and i got the following: insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/`uname -r`/....': -1 Invalid module format
08:10<sk_>any ideas?
08:10<jm_>sk_: you shouldn't try to load just any driver -- /msg dpkg which driver
08:10<jm_>sk_: follow teh advise on that page
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08:13<sk_>jm_: what is "on that page" ?
08:13<jm_>sk_: the one that dpkg tells you about if you do "/msg dpkg which driver" in your IRC client
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08:14<Becker>Ciao a tutti
08:15<Needhelp>debian says that he cannot set permissions on mtab what is mtab ? :x
08:16<padski>Needhelp: a file in /etc/
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08:16<padski>Needhelp: man 8 mount
08:16<Needhelp>yeah it says it lists the mounted volumes (or mounting)
08:16<sk_>jm_: dpkg didnt tell me to do anything
08:18<jm_>!tell sk_ -about which driver
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08:19<iamtravis>undebian related but debian package ~ related question.. the printf statement for ruby takes a %5.2 float value, no matter how much numbers before the decimal it still prints out without an error, any idea why?
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08:21<Needhelp>oh it works ^^ thank you jm_ and padski (a lot)
08:21<iamtravis>just askin cause the thing i'm learning from says it'll only print 5 characters with 2 after the decimal.. but it prints 111111.22 etc
08:21<ifvoid>iamtravis: what else would you expect it to do?
08:21<jm_>Needhelp: no worries
08:21<padski>iamtravis: isn't that the same a C ?
08:21<ifvoid>iamtravis: the 5 doesn't mean "just print 5 chars"
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08:22<Needhelp>;)
08:22<ifvoid>it means "fill out to 5 chars"
08:22<jm_>iamtravis: it won't give you an error
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08:22<iamtravis>http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/ here in the ruby.new section - ok jm .. i was under the impression it would
08:23<ifvoid>if you want an error, just check if the number is larger than 100
08:23<sk_>jm_: i got a list of drivers suitable for my my pci devices.
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08:23<ifvoid>or >= 99.995 to be exact
08:24<jm_>sk_: right
08:24<sk_>how can i use this list?
08:25<jm_>it gives you a list of modules that you can specify in /etc/modules
08:25<jm_>or modprobe them manually
08:26<jm_>iamtravis: the number 5 means the whole thing takes 5 characters, try %10.2f
08:26<sk_>jm_: im trying it
08:28<iamtravis>alright.. i understood it as %5.2 mean 123.45 but 12345.45 would be %7.2 .. and any excess would be chopped off in the output or not processed at all
08:28<jm_>yeah it doesn't chop off
08:28<padski>it right kustifies it
08:28<jm_>like with character arrays
08:28<padski>justify
08:29<padski>iamtravis: man 3 printf
08:29<sk_>jm_: i got this: FATAL: Module sis5513 not found.
08:30<jm_>sk_: which kernel version are you using?
08:31<sk_>jm_ 2.6.19
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08:31<jm_>sk_: 2.6.20 has that driver, so does 2.6.18 - are you using a custom kernel?
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08:33<sk_>jm_: no. i installed linux on my computer using the installer contained in Knoppix Live CD.
08:33<jm_>sk_: ok, Knoppix is not Debian
08:34<sk_>jm_: ?
08:34<jm_>!knoppix
08:34<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
08:34<jm_>see above
08:35<sk_>jm_ , dpkg: you mean this is the wrong place to ask questions?
08:35<jm_>sk_: yes
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08:36<sk_>dpkg,jm_: i see. ill look into that url. thank you.
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08:38<jm_>sk_: also try that IRC channel
08:40<sk_>jm_: where can i find the IRC channel?
08:41<padski>sk_: irc.freenode.net
08:41<JasonS>sk_: it say in the dpkg
08:41<suiside>sk_: dpkg already told you that, #knoppix on freenode
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08:43<Tepes>anybody know an irc triviabot for debian?
08:43<padski>!triviabot
08:44<padski>nope :-(
08:44<sk_>JasonS: i didnt know that freenode means connection to urc.freenode.net. Sorry,
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08:47<padski>Tepes: do you mean packaged in debian, or about debian trivia ?
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08:51<Tepes>padski: yes
08:51<Tepes>a package
08:53<padski>Tepes: maybe see https://launchpad.net/triviabot
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08:57<Tepes>ok.. tnx
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09:07<sk_>what is "/etc/X11/XF86Config.in" ?
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09:07<jm_>sk_: we have no idea, must be Knoppix specific
09:08<sk_>jm_: thanks.
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09:10<jm_>my guess is it's some template that's used to create a real one once it knows enough details to do so
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09:11<pmitros>Quick question: I have a .orig.tar.gz, a .dsc, and a .diff.gz. How do I need to arrange these to be able to use tools like dpkg-buildpackage?
09:11<college>does any one know about how to get an online job??
09:11<college>does any one know about how to get an online job??
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09:13<college>pmitros
09:13<college>pmitros
09:13<college>pmitros
09:13<jm_>pmitros: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
09:13<college> can you just sue YUM
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09:13<college>USE
09:13<college>YUM
09:13<weasel>college: please stay on topic and behave properly
09:14<college>i do not use chat rooms that much
09:14<pmitros>jm: Thanks.
09:14<pmitros>ls
09:14<pmitros>sorry.
09:15<college>what is the topic???
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09:18<pmitros>college: Topic is Debian, as well as misc. discussion. Saying the same thing over and over is outside of channels rules in most channels. Asking about online jobs, unless the conversation leads into it, would also be. It's also better to not hit "enter" too much. Use a single long line. Not many stubs.
09:18<pmitros>college: All of the above (except for the Debian part) is basic chat room etiquette almost anywhere civilized.
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09:19<college>k
09:19<simonrvn>and this here is called a channel, not a chat room
09:20<weasel>thanks simonrvn
09:20<weasel>that always hurts
09:20<college>is there any security risk when going to ubuntu?????????????
09:20<azeem>college: ask #ubuntu
09:20<weasel>college: and stop using punctuation marks like an idiot
09:20<college>debian is a form of ubuntu
09:20<weasel>college: a single one suffices.
09:21|-|mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
09:21<pmitros>college: Example of channel rules: http://getlinuxhelp.org/rules.php
09:21|-|college kicked [#debian] weasel [go somewhere else if you want to troll.]
09:21|-|mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
09:21<padski>thanks weasel
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09:21<simonrvn>sheesh, really. thanks dude
09:22<simonrvn>!beer weasel
09:22[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for weasel
09:22<azeem>yay, Spaten Pils
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09:23[~]streuner prefers "New wine"
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09:23[~]simonrvn doesn't drink =)
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09:23<p0304395>hello !!! I've one stupid question to ask you... what's the difference between sarge and etch ? Is etch just the new version of the "stable" debian ?
09:23<azeem>p0304395: yes
09:24<streuner>hm, you smoke then :-)
09:24<p0304395>azeem: thanks !!!
09:24<p0304395>have a good day all of you ;)
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09:29<serge>Hello! Can somebody help me pls with mldonkey-server in Etch. How to upload in it the servers list. The system complains that the file is not in gzip format. It's also impossible to gunzip it manually. I was trying two files from different places, but no luck. What to do. Help pls.
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09:31<filemover>Hi I'm just about to apply some updates for lenny and it seems that adept notifier is being removed!, is going to be something to replace it because its handy to gauge when updates are available
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09:33<jm_>where do you see about it being removed?
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09:34<jm_>or is that when running apt?
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09:36<filemover>in adept updater
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09:37<filemover>most of the time i use aptitude upgrade but i thought Id have a look and Im glad I did
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09:40<filemover>in aptitude show package there is no mention of it
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09:48<padski>filemover: IIUC aptitude upgrade will not offer to do such a removal. I am somewhat surprised at a gui updater doing so.
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09:49<filemover>well its there :((
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09:49<filemover>im only downloading the packages not installing at present
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10:20<Gru>does anyone know if the debian net install cd has wireless drivers?
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10:21<padski>!anyone
10:21<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
10:21<padski>Gru: apologies, but after a while it really grates :-)
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10:21<maxamillion>Gru: it depends ... i think the ppc one does for the older airport card, but not the extreme and it might for the few "fully" supported wifi cards that are available
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10:23<Gru>so maybe not on ia64?
10:23<Gru>padski, it annoys you enough to have a script?! o.0
10:24<maxamillion>Gru: ia64? ... i don't believe that to be a wifi chipset
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10:24<padski>Gru: you mean the dpkg factoid ? no ... not me. clearly I am not the first :-)
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10:25<kurumin>EI
10:25<Gru>maxamillion, sorry, confused by all this, isnt ppc a cpu used in macs?
10:25<kurumin>SORRY
10:26<maxamillion>Gru: well yes, it used to be but i was just using it as an example
10:26<kurumin>BYE
10:26<bela>Hi, I am looking for vrml plugin, freevrml is too slow, I would like find something like corona
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10:27<kurumin>PLEASE SPEAK IN PORTUGUESE.
10:28<kurumin>OLÁ!
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10:29<Gru>maxamillion, just realised i have no idea what the wireless card on this is o.0
10:29<berto>!pt
10:29<dpkg>Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:30<maxamillion>Gru: :(
10:31<maxamillion>Gru: its more probable that the driver is not included then the probability of it having support on the network image
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10:32<Gru>maxamillion, well... worst it can do is make me look for cables+ leave the laptop next to a router i guess
10:32<maxamillion>Gru: true
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10:36<TiCoNe>sera a tutti
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10:41<Gru>debian does use repositories right?
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10:42<bzed>Gru: you mean for development?
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10:42<fido>hello
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10:42<bzed>Gru: that's done however the maintainer prefers it
10:43<Gru>bzed, i mean for installing everything
10:43<fido>how can i fix my permissions so "gksu" can open my user's display?
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10:43<Gru>bzed, like 'yum' or whatever the debian equivelent is
10:43<bzed>Gru: apt is the debian way
10:43<bzed>and yes, that's using a kind of repository
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10:44<Gru>bzed, apt get fantastical stuff then?
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10:46<fido>Gru: apt-get --help
10:46<themill>!aptitude
10:46<dpkg>i guess aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t
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10:48<fido>how can i solve "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" please?
10:49<themill>fido: if you are running gksu as your user, then it Just Works(TM).
10:50<themill>fido: also look at sux
10:50<themill>!sux
10:50<dpkg>sux is a utility for running X apps as root. aptitude install sux and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <gksu>. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>.
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10:51<fido>yeah, yeah
10:51<fido>but i would like to fix the system so "gksu" works as expected
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10:54<Gru>net install cd burnt, see you when i get installed and break it ^_^
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10:59<bela>fido, your question is not clear enough, do you want to run as root an application, while you are log in as user
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11:01<andre>Who speak Portuguese ???
11:01<JasonS>!br
11:01<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
11:01<fido>i run a terminal inside Gnome as user "bla". from inside of that terminal i want to run "gksu make xconfig". but that results in "cannot open display"
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11:02<padski>fido: you want to compile your kernel as root ?
11:03<fido>noooooo
11:03<fido>argh
11:03<fido>this is not my problem right now. please try to focus on my question :)
11:04<fido>gksu can not open the display
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11:05<padski>fido: ok :-) so why not gksu xterm ?
11:05[~]fido falls over
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11:06<fido>where else could i ask for support, please?
11:06<padski>lol
11:06<themill>fido: gksu should just work... does running anything else graphical in that gnome terminal work?
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11:06<themill>fido: e.g. if you run xterm there, does it bring up a new xterm?
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11:07<padski>fido: does you xserver listen on tcp ?
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11:07<fido>shit, i am stupid. i was running it as root
11:07<fido>i am sorry guys
11:07<themill>!lart fido
11:07[~]dpkg chops fido in half with a free Solaris 7 CD
11:07<qbit>:O
11:07<themill>fido: no worries... glad your sorted now!
11:07<fido>thanks :)
11:07<padski>:-)
11:08<andre>who know where is the kernel-source to sparc (2.6.18-5-sparc64-smp)
11:08<themill>fido: I'd suggest that you make sure your prompt tells you that.... my PS1 shows user@machine pwd so that I've always got that info in front of me.
11:09<fido>yeah, i am just too sleepy to read my screen
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11:17<andre>kernel-source (2.6.18-5-sparc64-smp), I need. Can you help me ?
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11:19<JasonS>!tell andre about ask
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11:20<padski>andre: if it is not in the main mirrors anymore then look on snapshots.debian.org
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11:20<padski>andre: it is the same source packages for sparc as any other arch
11:22<andre><padski>: the link snapshots.debian.org don't work
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11:24<andre>Where can I found it ???
11:25<padski>andre: sorry it is snapshot.debian.org
11:26<petemc>i thought it was .net
11:26<petemc>aye, tis
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11:26<padski>petemc: 3rd time lucky
11:26<petemc>:)
11:27<padski>andre: sorry, snapshot.debian.net
11:30<padski>andre: but you probably want the current version in etch ? see under ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ or you can apt-get source it
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11:33<padski>andre: to be exact: apt-get source linux-2.6
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11:36<andre><padski> Perfect
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11:38<padski>andre: I thought long and hard about it. I wanted to get it just right ;-)
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11:47<andre><padski>: I learned more one: apt-cache source kernel-source
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11:48<padski>andre: E: Invalid operation source
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11:48<andre>apt-cache search linux-source
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11:50<padski>andre: ah! I generally use dpkg -l
11:50<andre>hum...
11:50<padski>andre: seemed faster though :-)
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11:53<andre>hehehe
11:53<stroyan>andre: That is apt-get source rather than apt-cache source.
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11:54<andre>I am speaking from Brazil, I have dificult in speak English, hehehehe My English isn't very goof
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12:23<antony>hi all.. I'm searching for help in installing the unstable duplicity package... how do I select it? I'm currently using the stable one.. but the --remove-older-than option does not work.. so I guess I'll try the unstable one. is this a good move?
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12:24<padski>!simple sid backport
12:24<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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12:25<antony>I'm sorry.. I got a bit of emergency here... I'll be back in 5...
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12:27[~]GhostlyDeath is still waiting for bug fixes to gnome keyboard settings and file properties to reach testing
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12:29<Kebianizao>Hello
12:30<Kebianizao>anyone had any idea how to split a diff to be applied onto a file into its several hunks?
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12:31<Myon>Kebianizao: patchutils has some utils
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12:33<sasha>hi , what is the best method to launch a module on startup ?
12:33<Kebianizao>thanks Myon, I'll investigate it, but my first candidate, splitdiff is not able to do so
12:33<Kebianizao>sasha: echo "modulename" >>/etc/modules
12:34<Kebianizao>sasha: but it should be loaded automatically on most cases
12:34<sasha>cryptoloop not
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12:35<Kebianizao>sasha: if you need it for booting the system, then look at /etc/initramfs-tools/modules probably
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12:35<sasha> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules Thanks a lot that what i was looking for
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12:36<Kebianizao>sasha: :)
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12:38<antony>padski: I'm newbie in debian here.. I don't have any idea bout backports etc.. Thanks anyway.. I'll try to lookup debian.org for it first... :)
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12:40<padski>antony: the dpkg factoid contains very specifc instructions. if you encounter any problems, you can bring them back here. you could continue by doing "/msg dpkg backports" in your irc client to find out about how to look for an existing backport
12:42<fxiny>whats' new on sid duplicity ?
12:42<lontra_>what's a good spam filter?
12:43<fxiny>spamassassin or bogofilter
12:43<padski>lontra_: depends what you are doing
12:43<fxiny>crm114
12:43<antony>padski: Thanks padski.. :)
12:43<lontra_>to use with kmail on imap and pop email accounts
12:43<padski>antony: you are welcome
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12:44<antony>fxiny: I don't actually know what's new.. but the --remove-older-than option does not work ... I think maybe a newer version will fix this..
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12:44<padski>lontra_: some sort of bayes. all of fxiny's suggestions would apply.
12:44<fxiny>antony: i have no problems with duplicity on etch
12:44<naudiz>The gparted live CD doesn't detect my hard drive on my laptop is there some other way to adjust the size of your root partition ?
12:44<antony>fxiny: including the --remove-than-older option ? hmm.. then I think it's my setup then...
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12:45<fxiny>antony: from my logs : The following NEW packages will be installed >>duplicity python-gnupginterface
12:46<sasha>in the man page of losetup i just saw that cryptoloop is deprecated in favor of dm-crypt , does it change anything with the losetup command , despite maybe the fact that is add some ecryption type
12:47<fxiny>antony: i use duplicity sometimes over dam ftp
12:47<antony>fxiny: i try apt-get upgrade .. but no duplicity package wll be upgraded.. I'm checking the duplicity mailing list now.. thanks :)
12:48<fxiny>antony: upgrade ? are yoy running sarge maybe ?
12:49<Kebianizao>Myon: I managed to use editdiff but it's not the best solution I had thought of
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12:49<antony>fxiny: no I'm on etch.. newbie on debian as I am.. my backup server company is suggesting I install the new version of duplicity.. but since the new version is on sid.. I got here asking on how to istall it..
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12:51<antony>fxiny: actually I think I found the solution on the mailing list... turns out the remove-older-than option must be used on a standalon comand separate from my backup jobs..
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12:51<Raaku>where do i find the sources.list
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12:51<floku>naudiz: you could try another live CD, for example the latest Knoppix or grml, they both have parted included
12:51<rikijs>how install java for firefox
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12:52<fxiny>antony: nice to know :)
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12:53<fxiny>rikijs: what version ? there are debs for it : sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-plugin
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12:54<naudiz>floku: cool thanks I think the gparted live CD I tried was gentoo based
12:54<floku>naudiz: I am not sure if it will work, but Knoppix has very good hardware recognition
12:54<padski>Raaku: in /etc/apt
12:55<floku>naudiz: so i would hope it can detect the hard drive
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13:01<fxiny>bloody hell , this sans ppl are idiots 6883 is not a trojan ! wt4x
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13:02<fxiny>hmmm
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13:03<datura_0>How stable is lenny?
13:03<corleone>hello
13:03<datura_0>hello
13:03<Kebianizao>datura_0: is not stable but testing
13:03<corleone>1 questio:what the channel for ubuntu in spanish?
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13:03<Kebianizao>datura_0: or IOW its stability could be qualified as testing
13:03<Myon>!es
13:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:04<Kebianizao>corleone: #ubuntu-es
13:04<datura_0>well yes, i mean, have you used it? Does not crash much? slowdown? ..
13:04<corleone>thankyou
13:04<Myon>for ubuntu, try /list
13:04<datura_0>ok
13:04<Myon>probably on freenode
13:04<Kebianizao>datura_0: what would you expect from it?
13:04<Kebianizao>corleone: true, it's on freenode
13:05<datura_0>o it was just a question. I was just wondering, i know it is being released like at a much later date (i fogot)
13:05<datura_0>huh,,, fogot.
13:05<datura_0>*forgot
13:05<datura_0>forget?
13:05<datura_0>idk,,, thanks man. bye
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13:06<Kebianizao>datura_0: there's no later date
13:06<Kebianizao>grrrr :/
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13:07<S3v3N>Hello again! Just one question, how do i get lastest updates for debian? apt-get update then apt-get upgrade is that good way to get them? Because last time it installed me allready installed updates...
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13:08<Myon>that's the correct way, but make sure you have the right release in your sources.list
13:09<Myon>(should be "etch" or "stable")
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13:10<S3v3N>oh where are sources.list i forgot
13:11<S3v3N>kk i got them /etc/apt
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13:12<S3v3N>http://rafb.net/p/cpnelJ75.html
13:12<S3v3N>my sources.list ^^
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13:14<chealer>S3v3N: it's one good way, though dist-upgrade is better.
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13:14<S3v3N>apt-get dist-upgrade ?
13:15<chealer>S3v3N: if you prefer apt-get, yes.
13:15<S3v3N>just one question before i'll do that, will i need to restart the machine then?
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13:15<chealer>S3v3N: unless something tells you that you do, no.
13:15<S3v3N>oka
13:15<S3v3N>y, thanks
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13:16<floku>S3v3N: you might have to restart some services; "checkrestart" from package "debian-goodies" will tell you if this is the case
13:17<S3v3N>debian:~# apt-get dist-upgrade, Reading package lists... Done, Building dependency tree... Done, Calculating upgrade... Done -> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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13:17<S3v3N>i think no updates, i have my debian up to date
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13:27<shellclear>ola
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13:28<shellclear>gente estou com alguns problemas na parte de som do meu debian etch
13:28<shellclear>alguem pode me ajudar
13:28<floku>!ca
13:28<dpkg>[ca] a Certificate Authroity. It's required when browsers check your SSL certs with the CA's digital signature. See also SSL, or dog in Mallorquí.... Canada, or see apache rootca
13:28<floku>!catalan
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13:29<Kebianizao>bye
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13:30<naudiz>!ipw3945
13:30<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486)
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13:32<hufff>anybody who can tell me how can i remove pending apt-get jobs without forcing to install them ? =]
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13:34<rKos>anyone willing to help?
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13:37<dkr>hufff: aptitude has an option for clearing all pending actions. dunno about apt-get
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13:37<floku>rKos: help with what?
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13:42<rKos>floku im installing debian and im getting the "no screens found"
13:44<floku>rKos: already during installation, or after rebooting the first time?
13:44<chealer>!no screens found
13:44<dpkg>from memory, screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log (or /var/log/Xorg.0.log for X.org) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x".
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13:44<softwork> i have a problem, i have a pinnacle 110i and in debian testing i have picture but dont sound
13:45<rKos>after the reboot
13:46<floku>rKos: you X (graphical environment) is not starting; do you see a login prompt?
13:47<floku>your*
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13:47<rKos>yeah, i opened the xorg.0.log now, what should i look for
13:47<floku>rKos: lines starting with (EE) or (WW)
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13:48<floku>rKos: you could run this command:
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13:48<floku>rKos: egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:49<floku>rKos: and pste the output on one of the paste sites
13:49<floku>paste*
13:49<rKos>okay
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13:52<rKos>how do i copy&paste it somewhere?
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13:52<floku>!paste
13:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
13:52<rKos>basically its alot of something/something/ does not exist and (EE) no devices found or something
13:52<softwork> i have a problem, i have a pinnacle 110i and in debian testing i have picture but dont sound
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13:53<floku>rKos: you could try this:
13:53<floku>!drxx
13:53<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
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13:54<floku>rKos: try to select the "vesa" driver and a moderate resolution
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13:55<rKos>why the vesa?
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13:56<floku>rKos: it is generic and should work with almost every card; if we get that to work we can afterwards try to optimize
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13:58<nwamp>hello, guys, enybody speaks russian?
13:58<Nemoder>!ru
13:58<dpkg>methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
13:59<nwamp>dpkg: thank u.
13:59<dpkg>nwamp: sure thing
13:59<nwamp>Nemoder: what means "!ru"
13:59<Nemoder>dpkg is a bot, !ru triggered that response
13:59<JasonS>nwamp: lazy short hand for are you
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14:00<nwamp>oh, well, I'm goin to russian irc/
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14:02<rKos>uh
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14:02<rKos>dunno if it loads now because now the monitor stops working as soon as it gets to that part
14:03<floku>rKos: does CTRL+ALT+F1 still work to switch to a text terminal?
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14:05<rKos>nope
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14:06<blarson>My laptop running sid rebooted due to an extended power failure, and now X can't find my mouse. Running up-to-date sid.
14:06<floku>rKos: CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE ?
14:06<rKos>it just loads and then the monitor flashes and goes "no signal" and ctrl+alt+f1 wont do anything
14:06<rKos>will try
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14:07<rKos>ctrl+alt+backspace wotn do anything either
14:07<rKos>wont
14:08<blarson>looked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and found messages about not being able to load drivers for mouse and synaptics .
14:09<floku>rKos: maybe a hard reboot is necessary; we really need to see your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and your Xorg log errors
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14:09<rKos>hard reboot?
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14:10<floku>rKos: reset button (if still present) or power button (for four seconds) if nothing else helps
14:11<rKos>oh i did that 2 times already, it does reboot fine but when it loads again the monitor will go out after it has loaded
14:11<floku>rKos: do you have a boot menu for "single user mode"?
14:11<rKos>yes
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14:12<floku>rKos: choose that, it will boot without starting X.
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14:14<rKos>ok did it and logged in as root now
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14:15<rKos>so what should i do
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14:15<floku>rKos: OK, first of all: which video card is it? use "lspci" and find the line(s) related to "video", "vga", "display" or similar
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14:19<rKos>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia corporation unknown device 0402 (rev a 1)
14:19<rKos>that was the only one with video/vga or display on it that i could see
14:19<Eulex>rKos, update-pciids
14:20<Eulex>and run lspci again.
14:20<rKos>how do i update
14:20<Eulex>I just have you the command.
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14:20<Eulex>*gave
14:20<rKos>oh
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14:22<rKos>ok ill disconnect for a sec as im using just 1 cable
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14:22<Eulex>?
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14:25<rKos>... failed name or service not known
14:25<floku>Eulex, rKos: I cannot find device 0402 for nvidia in my freshly updates pci.ids file.
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14:25<floku>rKos: can you check the device ID again?
14:25<Eulex>floku, oh
14:26<rKos>lspci again?
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14:27<floku>rKos: yeah, unless the old output is still on your display... just trying to rule out a typo.
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14:27<rKos>still says device 0402
14:27<Eulex>rKos, lspci -n ?
14:27<rKos>ill try
14:28<Eulex>and tell us what it says for 02:00.0
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14:30<rKos>0300: 10de:0402 (rev a1)
14:30<cahoot>nVidia 8000-something?
14:30<rKos>its a NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT 512MB
14:30<floku>rKos: I found a few links:
14:30<floku>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/140759
14:31<floku>http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/3992/cat/all
14:31<floku>maybe the card is too new for the 2.6.18 kernel. (rKos you have installed Etch, right?)
14:31<rKos>yeah its etch
14:32<rKos>and yeah the computer is brand new, it had vista on it and since i didnt want that i tought it'd be a good time to finally switch to linux
14:32<jthomas>i want to install a Ruby .gem file; i was told I need an app named rubygems but i cannot find it on Lenny. Any suggestions?
14:33|-|mode/#debian [+l 323] by debhelper
14:33<rKos>so what should i do?
14:33<floku>rKos: Kenshi Muto has debian-installer images available for Etch with a newer kernel (up to 2.6.23)
14:33<floku>that might save you a lot of trouble: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/
14:35<rKos>ok
14:35<rKos>thanks alot
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14:35<rKos>messing around with linux sure is funky
14:35<floku>rKos: although it may be that you need a newer Xorg "nv" driver also
14:35<Eulex>rKos, I believe you'll need a very new version of the nvidia driver
14:35<Eulex>floku, if it even supports it
14:36<floku>Eulex: I agree it is a long shot, but maybe it will at least work in "vesa" or "vga", to give rKos a bit of air to figure out the proprietary nvidia driver
14:36<rKos>so how do i download the newest driver with the plain text ui
14:37<Eulex>floku, it will certainly work with vesa.
14:37<Eulex>!ngd
14:37<dpkg>See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards
14:38<floku>Eulex: I hope, Etch's vesa driver crashes rKos's display so that he has to reboot
14:38<Eulex>floku, :O
14:39<rKos>so should i do this $ grep Driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/xorg.conf 2>&1|grep 'nv\|vesa'
14:40<floku>rKos: you could try to reconfigure xserver-xorg again and select the "nv" driver
14:40<floku>I am afraid, though, that is what the installer tried initially anyway...
14:41<rKos>the nv one was already highlighted on the first time atleast
14:41<floku>rKos: uh-oh
14:41<floku>You could try "vga" and set a very low resolution, like 600x800
14:42<floku>(or rather 800x600)
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14:43<Eulex>vga is nothing higher than 640x480 with 16 colors
14:43<Eulex>or 320x200 with 256 colors, if you prefer that.
14:43<floku>Eulex: thanks, I keep forgetting the exact figures
14:43<Eulex>that's what a vga card offers.
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14:44<floku>rKos: one of the links I posted earlier says the card work in fedore core 8, so it might need a pretty new kernel and driver
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14:45<Eulex>some higher resolutions are possible by tweaking the vga registers. this requires an svga card, though. seen it mostly done with 256-color modes, to get 320x240, 400x300, 400x600 and modes like that, but I see no reason you couldn't do it with 16-colour modes.
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14:47<Eulex>floku, I'm not sure that you'd need a new kernel. everything should be handled by the nvidia driver and kernel module, or nv driver (if you find a new one that happens to support that card)
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14:47<stroyan>rKos: Have a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=16621&highlight=&sid=412f3378cc1fdefaa199fd2fe98466ea
14:47<floku>Eulex: Hm, what about a problem with e.g. the agpgart or the nvidia agp module?
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14:48<Eulex>floku, is that relevant with a pcie card?
14:49<floku>Eulex: good point, probably not...
14:50<Eulex>but anyway, I'd assume a problem with an agpgart driver to be because of too new mobo, not graphics card
14:50<rKos>vga given depth (16) is not supported by this driver
14:50<rKos>screens found but noone have usable configurations
14:50<Eulex>rKos, 4. it's in bits.
14:51<rKos>fatal error: no screens found
14:51<rKos>oh ok
14:51<Eulex>16-color, not 16-bit.
14:51<Eulex>vga cards never did 16-bit color.
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14:53<floku>rKos: stroyan's link looks interesting, although the card discussed in that thread seems to have worked with "nv"
14:54<chealer>floku: lenny's nv
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14:55<floku>chealer: good point, I missed that because the guy first mentioned nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64
14:55<rKos>ok the gui loaded with the vga but it was there for a while loading and then it went back to text with some message
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14:56<rKos>waiting for x server to shut down FreeFontPath or something
14:56<jthomas>I am trying to install glTail (ruby app) on Debian and it says I need net-ssh; i cannot find this package can anyone help?
14:56<Eulex>rKos, check your Xorg.0.log
14:56<rKos>with what
14:57<jthomas>with knowing what net-ssh may be named in Debian's repos
14:57<Eulex>rKos, a text editor, or even cat would do.
14:57<Eulex>jthomas, apt-cache search does.
14:57<JasonS>apt-cache search jthomas
14:57<jthomas>i tried, also looked with syna[ptic
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14:58<jthomas>in both etch and lenny
14:58<Eulex>JasonS, no jthomas in debian.
14:58<Eulex>;)
14:58<jthomas>lol
14:58<jthomas>io'm trying to be tho ;)
14:58<rKos>what was the command again
14:58<Eulex>jthomas, you're sure you looked really well? I see a libnet-ssh-ruby1.8 here, in oldstable, stable, testing and unstable.
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14:59<floku>rKos: egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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15:00<jthomas>yes; i think that is it, ruby-net-ssh but its complaining. niow i think its dfue to the version tho... thanks!
15:00<Eulex>rKos, for what? there are several editors (vi, vim, nano, emacs etc).
15:00<jthomas>or i was told, "gem install net-ssh"
15:00<jthomas>which is a ruby package installer
15:00<jthomas>thanks guys
15:01<Eulex>I'd recommend using the debian package installer if possible
15:01<rKos>ok so what do i check there
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15:02<Eulex>rKos, floku gave you a command that will output warnings and errors.
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15:03<rKos>alot of does not exist and then screen 0 is not dri or something capable
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15:04<rKos>should i just install the newer version over this and see if that works better?
15:05<chealer>rKos: version of what? Debian?
15:05<rKos>newer kernel or something
15:05<Eulex>rKos, pastebin the errors.
15:06<rKos>how do i do that
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15:06<Eulex>!pastebin pipe
15:06<dpkg>Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and aptitude install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl.
15:06<chealer>rKos: a newer kernel probably wouldn't help, but you could try installing Debian testing, or (at least to start) a newer version of xserver-xorg-video-nv
15:06<JasonS>rKos: you get the errors then copy and paste them
15:07<Eulex>... for piping from a command. is useful when you do not have access to X.
15:07<floku>Eulex, JasonS: I think he cannot easily paste from the broken box and he switches his network connection between the broken and the working one
15:07<rKos>im getting increasingly confused
15:08<floku>rKos: to any command you can append "> somefile.txt" and the output will be redirected to somefile.txt.
15:08<rKos>ok
15:09<floku>if you can transfer the file to teh working machine then you can paste it using a paste site and your favorite browser
15:09<rKos>how can i transfer it
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15:10<floku>rKos: I suspected that this might be a problem; do you have a USB stick?
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15:10<rKos>yeah i have
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15:10<Eulex>rKos, network, floppy, cd-rw etc. whichever way you want. writing down on paper if everything else fails.
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15:11<chealer>rKos: did you ever use apache?
15:11<floku>rKos: I think in the end you will have to pick your poison: upgrading to "testing" is not really recommended for new users,
15:11<chealer>s/use/administrate
15:12<floku>rKos: but running testing might be easier than getting this card to work on etch/stable...
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15:12<rKos>never used apache
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15:13<chealer>rKos: is the box behind a NAT?
15:13<rKos>so do i install this? etch-custom-1013.iso
15:13<rKos>and yeah its behind NAT
15:13<niuq>omg
15:13<niuq>only 8 users on ubuntu server O_O, is something bad with it?
15:13<chealer>rKos: what's etch-custom-1013.iso ?
15:14<rKos>http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/
15:14<rKos>from there
15:14<Eulex>!ubuntu
15:14<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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15:14<JasonS>niuq: you mean channel? may have thier main one elsewhere
15:14<floku>chealer: i suggested Muto's custom images with newer kernels earlier
15:14<niuq>yeah the channel
15:14<niuq>i thought that was the main
15:14<Eulex>rKos, I'd just suggest dist-upgrading to etch.
15:14<chealer>rKos: I see. I don't think that would help. better install a new kernel if you think that can help.
15:15<rKos>ok
15:15<floku>rKos: It might not be enough to have the newer kernel, I really don't know
15:15<rKos>so what do i do
15:15<chealer>Eulex: he's already using etch.
15:15<Eulex>oh, lenny, I mean
15:15<chealer>rKos: you could try installing Debian testing, or (at least to start) a newer version of xserver-xorg-video-nv.
15:16<rKos>do i need to download and burn something?
15:16<Eulex>chealer, which would very very likely need a new xorg too.
15:16<chealer>rKos: not necessarily.
15:16<stroyan>niuq: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage for info on ubuntu channels at freenode
15:16<Eulex>rKos, either that or download directly to the box.
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15:17<rKos>so what do i need to download
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15:17<chealer>rKos: did you already use Debian?
15:18<rKos>? its the first time im installing any linux
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15:18<floku>chealer: he is new to linux, but he managed to get etch working, except for X
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15:18<chealer>rKos: do you want to avoid burning something?
15:19<rKos>not really, i have cds
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15:19<Eulex>!etch->lenny
15:19<dpkg>First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade
15:19<Eulex>... if you want to upgrade your debian
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15:19<rKos>should i do that?
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15:19<Eulex>if you want to.
15:20<Eulex>that's one way of getting lenny.
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15:20<rKos>well i might aswell download and burn
15:20<Eulex>it requires an internet connection on the box, though.
15:21<rKos>wheres the newest version .iso?
15:21<Eulex>rKos, if you don't mind a reinstall, that could work. but note that directly installing testing is not supported. it will probably work, but if it doesn't, you're on your own.
15:23<chealer>rKos: there are many. did you check cdimage.debian.org?
15:23<floku>rKos: go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and look at "current weekly snapshot of Debian testing"
15:24<floku>rKos: you only need to download the first CD to get a base install
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15:25<rKos>ok
15:25<rKos>well the download will take some 40 minutes
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15:26<rKos>then i just burn it, install it and reboot?
15:26<floku>rKos: yes, and this time, the "nv" driver should give you the graphical environment (we hope...)
15:26<useagle>question, im running etch/gnome with default partitioning scheme, can i reinstall without wiping out everything ?
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15:26<rKos>ok, thanks alot
15:27<Eulex>rKos, I'd move the 'reboot' step in between 'burn it' and 'install it'
15:27<rKos>well yeah
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15:27<floku>rKos: the installer will "boot into yoru new Debian install" when apropriate
15:28<floku>your* (grr...)
15:28<Eulex>useagle, you have a separate /home partition?
15:28<useagle>eulex, yes i do
15:28<Eulex>useagle, you can reinstall without losing it then.
15:28<rKos>this sure isn't simple, somewhat interesting tho
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15:29<rKos>well im off for a while, cya later (or hopefully not, heh)
15:29<useagle>ok, thanks
15:29<marc_>hi, i am on a sid system and would like to get source packages from etch, what is the easiest way to do this? apt-get -d -t etch source <pkg> doesn't work, because unstable is newer.
15:29<floku>rKos: very new hardware can be a bit tricky in linux, unfortunately
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15:30<Eulex>marc_, pkg/etch might work
15:30<useagle>another question, can i graphically view the partitions and what files are on each ? again etch/gnome
15:30<Eulex>useagle, use a file browser?
15:30<Eulex>or what do you mean?
15:32<useagle>eulex, i can see the files, but how do i determine what partition each is on ?
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15:32<useagle>or for that matter, determine what partitions i have
15:32<Eulex>mount
15:33<useagle>ok
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15:34<useagle>any way to see the partitions in a gui, and what files are on each partition ?
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15:35<petemc>like, a file manager?
15:35<useagle>yeah
15:35<petemc>nautilus for gnome, konqueror for kde
15:35<petemc>otherwise, erm - gentoo?
15:35<petemc>xfce has its own file manager
15:36<useagle>ok, thanks
15:36<petemc>theres perhaps more
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15:36<petemc>apt-cache search file manager
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15:40<marc_>Eulex: doesn't seem to work, apt complains that it cant find package <pkg>/{stable,etch} but it doesn't work with unstable either
15:40<Eulex>marc_, oh. perhaps temporarily change your sources.list so it only has a deb-src for testing?
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15:41<marc_>Eulex: ok i will try it but this is rather suboptimal
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15:42<Eulex>marc_, yeah
15:43<useagle>ok, i believe i set up 4 or 5 partitions when i installed, in nautilus for example, at the / level there are 21 directories(?) some of which correspond to partition names, like boot....home....usr...var and a bunch more, are these the partitions ? and how do i determine on what partition the others are on ? for example opt ... selinux ....proc ?
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15:43<Eulex>marc_, you could otherwise download and patch the package manually
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15:43<Eulex>useagle, open a terminal, type 'mount'
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15:44<Eulex>those for /dev/sdxN and /dev/hdxN are physical partitions on your hdd.
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15:45<Eulex>and possibly other devices in /dev/, but you'd know if you had them.
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15:45<useagle>i did that, i dont see much like that, can i paste what i got ?
15:46<marc_>well i am trying to set up kind of regression test suite for tinycc using cowbuilder
15:46<Eulex>yes, in a pastebin
15:46<useagle>i dont know what a pastebin is
15:46<Eulex>!pastebin
15:46<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
15:46<useagle>ok
15:47<marc_>so idealy i would like all packages from etch which are implemented in C, but debtags seems broken too oh well
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15:48<Eulex>marc_, I'm sure there must be some other way than apt-get source to download a package source automatically. but if being on sid causes too much problems, you could always create a lenny chroot.
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15:51<marc_>Eulex: yep i am probably taking this route, thanks anyway
15:54<useagle>eulex, that pastebin at paste.lisp.org .... which channel should i use ? , there is no debian channel
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15:56<Eulex>useagle, hint: you don't want a notice about a paste to appear in a channel that is not this channel.
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15:57<Eulex>if this channel isn't avaible, do not choose any.
15:57<oddtod>hey guys i was wondering where an external drive would show up in /dev/ ?
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15:58<witte>oddtod: normally as a scsi device: sd*
15:58<Eulex>oddtod, /dev/sdxN. but dmesg will enlighten you.
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15:59<oddtod>soit will prlly be sdb because my hdd shows up as sda
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15:59<oddtod>how do i use dmesg?
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16:00<oddtod>nvm
16:00<oddtod>figuredthat out
16:00<oddtod>haha
16:00<Eulex>^^
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16:02<oddtod>when using dd to copy a hard drive what do i have to make sure is greater on the new drive in cfdisk?
16:02<Shu>are there any internet browesers that come with the debian net install?
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16:03<witte>Shu: I do not think so, that is something "non-essential"
16:04<Shu>ah
16:05<witte>Shu: but if you chose desktop while installing, there will be webbrowsers installed (after downloading them from the repositories)
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16:21<Shu>is there any way to complile a list of all the programs you have installed?
16:21<witte>Shu: dpkg -l
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16:22<Shu>okay
16:22<witte>Shu: better maybe is "dpkg -l | grep ^ii"
16:22<witte>the latter shows only the installed packages
16:23<Shu>oh
16:23<Shu>it seemed that i had too many things installed...
16:23<Shu>i just installed debian a few hours ago
16:23<witte>Shu: there are many small things that need to be installed in order to get your system working
16:23<witte>Shu: "dpkg -l | grep ^ii > file.txt"
16:24<witte>this way, you get the results in a nice file that you can investigate in your favorite editor
16:24<Shu>ic
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16:25<JasonS>otherwise it will scroll by so fast you'll never be able to read it
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16:25<Shu>i just figured that out
16:25<Shu><_<
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16:28<chealer>Shu: "are there any internet browesers that come with the debian net install?" -> yes
16:28<Shu>really?
16:28<rKos>hey
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16:28<Shu>which one?
16:28<rKos>problems when installing the new version
16:28<chealer>Shu: w3m
16:28<floku>rKos: uh-oh
16:28<Shu>oh right, i found links
16:29<witte>chealer: ah, interesting, didn't know that (obviosly as I said no ;-))
16:29<rKos>it says that the driver needed for my hardware is not available in the detect network hardware part
16:29<witte>Shu: was links included in the netinstaller?
16:30<Shu>um...
16:30<Shu>maybe not
16:30<Shu>i think i retrieved it from a mirror after the install
16:30<Shu>im not too sure
16:30<rKos>asks me to load from a driver floppy or something, but where do i get that
16:30<floku>rKos: during install or afterwards?
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16:30<rKos>during install
16:31<floku>rKos: and the Etch installer did not have that problem?
16:31<rKos>the etch installer did have no problems
16:31<witte>Shu: just wandering, I think I once tried it, but it did not have it at that time (but that is some time ago)
16:31<rKos>also it said something about a core module or something not being found but it seemed to do fine when i just continued
16:31<floku>rKos: can you tell it to ignore the network, or did you choose the "netinstall" CD?
16:32<Shu>ah
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16:32<chealer>rKos: were you able to connect to the network with Etch?
16:32<rKos>no i took the full cd
16:32<rKos>yeah for etch i used the netinstall cd which worked fine
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16:32<chealer>floku: you can ignore the network with the netinstall too (despite the name)
16:32<chealer>rKos: from which URL did you download testing?
16:33<floku>chealer: I was wondering if we could try to get his X up without network access; the netinstall CD does not have X included, right?
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16:33<chealer>floku: indeed.
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16:34<rKos>in the install from cd part it whined about no kernel modules being found
16:34<rKos>well ill check the link
16:34<rKos>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/
16:34<rKos>there
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16:34<rKos>the cd1
16:35<tycale>Hi, How can i find the speedest depots (aptitude server) for me ?
16:35<floku>rKos: that looks OK to me
16:35<Shu>is there anything like taskmanager on debian?
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16:35<floku>tycale: try the "apt-spy" package
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16:35<witte>Shu: what is taskmanager?
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16:36<Shu>uhh...
16:36<Shu>something on windows
16:36<Shu><_<;;
16:36<chealer>rKos: these may be broken. I suggest http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20071104-1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso instead.
16:36<Shu>Task Manager tells you whats running
16:36<dli>Shu, we don't know about windows :(
16:36<rKos>ok
16:36<Shu>and how much resources it takes up
16:36<dli>Shu, try: ps, top
16:36<witte>Shu: you mean something to see active processes: in terminal: top or ps
16:36<rKos>well that dl will take only about 10min
16:36<chealer>Shu: which X session type do you use?
16:37<Shu>i dont have any GUI
16:37<Shu>just the terminal
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16:37<gpm>top
16:37<gpm>ps
16:37<gpm>pstree
16:37<witte>Shu: and there will be some gui things as well, once you have it set up
16:37<rKos>task manager shows all processes running
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16:37<Shu>ic
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16:38<floku>rKos: which taskmanager? does that mean that at least your X is working now?
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16:38<rKos>no that was unrelated
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16:39<rKos>i couldnt get that one to install so im downloading the testing netinstall cd now
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16:39<gpm>businesscard ftw!
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16:40<floku>rKos: while you download the new image, can you tell us which network card is in the computer?
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16:41<rKos>mmkay, ill check
16:41<alex-31>ola
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16:45<rKos>uh, where can i check the network card easily?
16:45<witte>rKos: lspci
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16:46<witte>but only paste the one line concerning the network card here, if you are unsure, use a pastebin
16:46<tycale>floku: It doesn't work
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16:48<floku>tycale: do you get any error messages?
16:48<floku>rKos: if the old install still works, "lspci", look for lines with "ethernet" or "network"
16:48<witte>!tell tycale about does not work
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16:48<tycale>How work your program ?
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16:49<tycale>but
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16:49<tycale>I find a depot for belgium with google
16:49<tycale>I try it
16:50<rathel>I keep getting "Error 17" on Debian boot, how do I fix this? thanks.
16:50<witte>tycale: for belgium, note that belnet is down
16:50<tycale>ok
16:50<tycale>scarlet ?
16:50<chealer>rathel: from GRUB?
16:50<rathel>chealer, Yeah.
16:50<witte>tycale: don't know, just know that belnet has some crashed hard disks, scartlet should be ok
16:51<tycale>ok thanks you
16:51<chealer>rathel: did you check what GRUB error 17 means?
16:51<rKos>cant see any ethernet or network there
16:51<blarson>Any idea why I had to manually add xserver-xorg-input-mouse to my system to get X working on sid? It had been working fine, after reboot (due to power outage) no mouse.
16:51<rathel>chealer, Unable to mount? or something
16:52<dli>rathel, you have to reinstall grub
16:52<floku>rKos: do you have any info from the manufacturer or seller?
16:52<rKos>dont think so, i could always open it up and check manually
16:53<rathel>dli, How would I do that without reinstalling the entire system? lol I done that like 3 times already and I haven't once got it to boot.
16:53<chealer>blarson: it may have been uninstalled.
16:53<dli>rathel, standard grub rescue
16:54<rathel>dli, I tried that before, I'll try it again.
16:54<dli>rathel, boot a livecd, chroot, grub-install or grub command line
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16:54<floku>rKos: It might be that the Etch installer did not recognize your network card at all.
16:54<blarson>chealer: Not by my desire. I upgrade every few days using dselect.
16:55<rKos>wouldn't it have been unable to download then?
16:55<dli>rathel, my guess for error: you didn't specify (correctly) --root-directory for grub install, or mount /boot properly for grub command line, if you use a /boot partition
16:55<rKos>because it was a netinstall cd and it installed it fine
16:55<dli>rathel, you have to do it properly during grub rescue
16:55<chealer>blarson: well, it may have been uninstalled against your desire.
16:55<floku>rKos: This is still not clear to me: did the Etch installer tell you it was downloading packages?
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16:56<chealer>rathel: indeed. did Debian already boot successfully?
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16:56<rKos>well it did the loading packages n of 674 or something
16:56<rathel>chealer, Nope.
16:57<chealer>rathel: so you installed Debian, and at first boot of the installed system, GRUB complained with error 17?
16:57<rKos>and when i connected the network cable in in the text thing it said something and also i used that some command to download some mouse related stuff i think before i came here asking for help
16:57<rathel>chealer, correct.
16:57<floku>rKos: then I think it would be easier to upgrade the Etch install to Lenny (testing), since the current Lenny installers seem to have problems with your network
16:57<rKos>should i try installing the netinstall cd of the test version now? just finished burning it
16:58<dondelelcaro>blarson: by default it should get installed, because xserver-xorg-input-all depends on it, but if you removed that, just one of the xserver-xorg-input-*; packages will satisfy the alternative dependency
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16:58<dli>rathel, or, you have something like /boot on raid5?
16:58<floku>rKos: You can try if it finds the network card; if not you can upgrade the Etch install to get X working
16:58<rKos>well ill try this netinstal one and if it doesent work ill try upgrading
16:58<chealer>rKos: yes.
16:58<blarson>dondelelcaro: I didn't remove it. Maybe it was uninstallable and removed itself.
16:58<rathel>dli, I don't use raid and I don't have a seperate boot partition.
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16:59<dondelelcaro>blarson: could be
16:59<dli>rathel, then, just boot a livecd, chroot, and grub-install
16:59[~]dondelelcaro doesn't know the internals of dselect well enough to help much beyond that
16:59<mildner>how can I rescue data from lost+found
16:59<streuner>from backup?
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16:59<dli>mildner, what fs?
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17:00<floku>rKos: I hope one of the two will work. Good luck! (I have to leave now.)
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17:00<mildner>dli: what is fs?
17:00<chealer>rathel: sorry, no idea, except with more information about your partitions setup.
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17:00<mildner>dli: ext3
17:00<oddtod>hey if i wanted to copy everything from sda to sdb i would do a dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb
17:01<blarson>mildner: mv or cp. You'll have to figure out the file names and where they go.
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17:01<mildner>blarson: how can I figure it out?
17:02<dli>mildner, by the contents :)
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17:02<ElJavo>hello i installed gnash package but i cannot see flash applications while surfing the internet. i use Debian Lenny. What am i missing?
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17:03<dli>ElJavo, you'd better build gnash-cvs, or at least 0.8.1 for youtube
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17:03<rKos>ok so the netinstall cd seems to be working, its formatting the partitions or whatever, so hopefully ill get the xorg working too
17:03<witte>!flash
17:03<dpkg>hmm... flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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17:03<rKos>well anyways ill switch the cable again and probably go to sleep soon again, cya later
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17:04<ElJavo>thanks to you !!
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17:06<ElJavo>Can I change repositorioes to SID just to updating gnash package, and after that restore repositories to Lenny again ?
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17:06<streuner>no
17:06<streuner>!bobbitt
17:06<dpkg>Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc.
17:06<dli>ElJavo, no, you have to try backport
17:06<dli>!tell ElJavo about backport
17:07<ElJavo>ouuch!! that hurts ! thank you ;)
17:07<streuner>!simple sid backport
17:07<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
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17:07<streuner>but gnash is big...
17:07<streuner>!info gnash
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17:08<dpkg>gnash: (free Flash movie player), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.1~rc.070818-2 (sid), Packaged size: 227 kB, Installed size: 768 kB
17:08<streuner>ElJavo: what for?
17:08<streuner>youtube?
17:08<ElJavo>yep and for flash in general
17:08<streuner>there is youtube-dl
17:08<chealer>ElJavo: yes (note that the name is lowercase, sid)
17:09<streuner>ElJavo: there is a version free and non-free in the mirrors
17:09<streuner>just search for
17:09<ElJavo>ok thank you
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17:12<rathel>when I do grub-install from live cd it gives me /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
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17:14<dli>rathel, can you make sure your /boot is not in /etc/fstab ?
17:15<dli>ElJavo, looks like backporting gnash 0.8.1 takes long :(
17:15<rathel>dli, I'm looking, I don't think it is.
17:16<streuner>dli: gone...
17:16<dli>rathel, I think you can use build-dep to get deps, then, just download the official source and build, gnashdev.org has great instructions for building it
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17:17<dli>rathel, I think this it helpful: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/gentoo-grub-the-file-bootbootgrubstage1-not-read-correctly-275708/
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17:19<DiScOvErY>Hello
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17:30<dli>ElJavo, just several manual backported deps, gnash-0.8.1 is building on etch
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17:38<oddtod>can any one give me a clue on how long a DD would take from a 160 gig stat drive to a 160 gig usb drive?
17:39<lupine_85>oddtod: max. speed of a USB2 drive (theoretically) is 480Mbit/sec, right?
17:39<streuner>via USB2? loooonnnggg
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17:39<lupine_85>So /at best/ 60MB/sec
17:40<lupine_85>(that's 44 minutes)
17:40<lupine_85>personally, I would double that
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17:41[~]streuner wonders what lupine dreaming at night... ;-)
17:41<lupine_85>?
17:42<lupine_85>30MB/sec seems possible for USB2, assuming a semi-decent bus controller
17:42<streuner>dpkg, 30 * 60 * 44
17:42<dpkg>79200
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17:43<dli>practically, I never saw over 10MB/sec on usb hard drive
17:44<lupine_85>ouch
17:44<lupine_85>bottlenecked elsewhere?
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17:44<oddtod>i wish DD gave an output of how fast / how much longer
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17:44<dli>oddtod, try hdparm -tT
17:45<dli>oddtod, or bonnie++
17:45<oddtod>oh i've already started the DD
17:45<oddtod>i'm doing it on my laptop and i want to go home from work
17:45<oddtod>haha
17:46<lupine_85>streuner: 160GB = 160,000MB. 480mbit/sec = 60MB/sec. 160,000 / 60 = 2667s. / 60 = 44.4 minutes
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17:46<janux-xmind>hi guys!
17:46<lupine_85>and I think dd will output status information if send a particular signal (SIGHUP? check the manpage)
17:46<lupine_85>sent*
17:46<janux-xmind>how can i get the sun wireless toolkit on my debian?
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17:49<leikh>"find -type d > foo.txt" gives me the reversed alphabetical order. How do I get the output in correct order?
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17:51<dli>!tell janux-xmind about wireless
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17:52<janux-xmind>i just want to install the sun j2me program
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17:52<Clumsy_Root>greetings
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17:53<Clumsy_Root>is anyone here familiar with themes? i can't get a certain GTK2 theme to work properly, not too sure why
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17:56<janux-xmind>what is de j2se installation folder on debian?
17:56<janux-xmind>the interpreter
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17:57<leikh>janux-xmind: /usr/lib/ ?
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17:57<Clumsy_Root>awaiting feedback :)
17:58<janux-xmind>the fullpath, leikh
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18:00<leikh>janux-xmind: if you can't find your packages, why don't you let apt tell you?
18:01<janux-xmind>ok, i already got it
18:01<janux-xmind>thanks
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18:03<leikh>in my albums folder, I have thousands of subdirs. How do i list these in alphabetical order and output result to foo.txt?
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18:06<witte>leikh: http://pastebin.ca/762848
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18:06<Clumsy_Root>sorry for asking again: there are some GTK2 themes i can't get to work completely, as in they're not fully skinned. the window borders are internal to the theme, so i can't choose them manually; the only dependency it needed was pixbuf, but it still won't work. any ideas?
18:07<witte>leikh: very simple script i once wrote
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18:08<witte>leikh: now i come to think of it, probably that should be much easier (but this worked at the moment)
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18:09<vlt_>Hello. Is there any way to speed down the dvd drive? I want to playback a movie but the drive is way too loud.
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18:09<vlt_>Any hdparm option or something like that?
18:10<leikh>witte: earlier on I just did it with a oneliner shell command, but i guess it's erased from memory. find -type d > albums.txt gives me the alphabetically reversed order :/
18:10[~]saltmiser looks at his server saying "1782-DISK CONTROLLER FAILURE" and cries :(
18:11<saltmiser>just finished making that nice
18:11<saltmiser>and I updated hte kernel
18:11<saltmiser>now it won't boot
18:11<saltmiser>damnit
18:11<saltmiser>shouldn't have rebooted
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18:12<witte>leikh: and what about find -type d | sort > albums.txt
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18:13<jack5on>join #debian
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18:13<witte>jack5on: you are on #debian
18:13<saltmiser>jack5on I think you're there already :P
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18:14<leikh>witte: excellent :)
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18:14<Clumsy_Root>still nobody feeling like giving me a hand? :)
18:14<witte>leikh: in some cases the answer is to simple to really consider it while searching for it
18:14<witte>;-)
18:15<witte>Clumsy_Root: maybe you can ask in a gtk channel?
18:15<Clumsy_Root>oh. i wasn't aware of that
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18:16<witte>Clumsy_Root: i do not know if your question is debian specific? if it is not, you will find more people who are knowledgeable about gtk there (or if there is no irc channel, try a mailinglist
18:17<Clumsy_Root>i guess it is debian specific, since those themes are supposed to be supported
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18:18<Clumsy_Root>besides, with GTK2 being a native part of most linux distros i figured i might find some good info on its quirks
18:18<witte>Clumsy_Root: ok, in any case, I can certainly not help you with it :-)
18:19<Clumsy_Root>alright, sorry for the trouble :)
18:19<witte>Clumsy_Root: depends on who is in this channel (which is depending on the time of day as well)
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18:20<Clumsy_Root>yeah, i guess
18:20<witte>Clumsy_Root: no problem, maybe you can ask again in a few hours or tomorrow, maybe then someone can help
18:20<witte>or you can try debian-user@lists.debian.org
18:21<Clumsy_Root>thanks, but i'd rather see if i can find more info before bothering too much
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18:36<stani>hallo
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18:38<themill>chealer: ping
18:38<janux-xmind>hi!
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18:38<janux-xmind>what is the trash real path on debian?
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18:39<themill>janux-xmind: ~/.local/share/Trash/ but you probably shouldn't be poking around in there.
18:39<janux-xmind>why?
18:40<janux-xmind>can i remove a program by simply removing all its files with nautilus?
18:40<chealer>themill: bbl
18:41<witte>janux-xmind: you can better remove it with apt-get remove <packagename>
18:41<themill>because it's no longer just a directory into which files get moved, it also contains metadata about when the files where deleted and where from as well as supporting several files with the same name (which the old Trash couldn't)
18:41<themill>chealer: no worries. It was just a java6 question about your bug report.... but I think I've answered it now anyway ;)
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18:50<lucas_amorim>Hello, When I use portuguese caracteres like "ç ã é" within latex I got wrong output just like if it was not recognizing the input. Is it a package I have to include in the preambles or is it a configuration on kile?
18:51<witte>lucas_amorim: \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}
18:51<witte>lucas_amorim: that usually does it for me
18:52<themill>\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
18:52<witte>lucas_amorim: but maybe there is some config in kile to arrange that
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18:52<themill>lucas_amorim: ^^ you pasted those chars in using UTF-8 not Latin1, so you might want to use a utf-8 inputenc instead.
18:53<lucas_amorim>witte: yes, that is what I am using. But I still get a messed output.
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18:54<lucas_amorim>themill: Ok, I will try
18:54<college>what do the security emails do besides that they tell you there is a security hole in some code, and can i patch it or do i have to wait for an update ??
18:54<themill>lucas_amorim: make sure kile is using utf-8 encoding (tools->encoding->utf8) and use the utf8 arg to the inputenc package.
18:54<lucas_amorim>themill: Worked!!! Thanks
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18:54<themill>lucas_amorim: I just stuck your chars into the middle of a doc with those settings and it worked out ok. You might need a unicode font, however.
18:54<themill>lucas_amorim: :)
18:55<lucas_amorim>:)
18:55<themill>lucas_amorim: encoding is a pig... unless you only deal in US-ASCII, in which case you don't have to worry....
18:55<lucas_amorim>thank you all
18:55<lucas_amorim>ok
18:55<lucas_amorim>bye
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18:57<college>what do the security emails do besides that they tell you there is a security hole in some code, and can i patch it or do i have to wait for an update ??
18:57<themill>college: which security emails do you mean?
18:59<college>? i debian just tell me about security holes, but there is no update for it. i have goten like 20 so far
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19:00<witte>college: you mean emails from debian-security?
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19:00<college>i guess
19:00<themill>college: can you put one of the emails into a pastebin for us so we can see what they are?
19:00<themill>!paste
19:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
19:00<college>k
19:01<witte>college: those are emails with (security) bug fixes for the stable distribution, and you will have to add the security repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list in order to get these updates
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19:01<witte>!security
19:01<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>
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19:04<college>http://www.debian.org/security/
19:05<college>so i want test updates
19:05<college>?
19:08<witte>college: I don't understand what you are trying to say, you want updates for testing?
19:08<witte>!tell college about testing security
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19:11<college>when i first installed debian i set every thing but test updates for my updates. latter i sined up for security emails, so i now get emails and i check for updates using the auto update thing but none are found...
19:12<college>did they just find the security hole and do not have a patch for it yet?
19:12<witte>college: do you have the lines that were mentioned by dpkg in you /etc/apt/sources.list?
19:12<college>from the email
19:12<college>?
19:12<witte>college: the mails of debian-security normally provide references to patched versions
19:13<witte>college: no not from the email, from irc
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19:13<witte>college: can you put a mail that you got in a pastebin?
19:13<witte>!pastebin
19:13<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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19:14<joe>I need help with compiz - says error no screens
19:15<dli>!ask
19:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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19:20<college>i was thinking about taking a programing class at my college is learning programing hard in college, and i have herd that like redhat debian slackwere suse (ect) they all have diffrent programing terms when programing
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19:33<Guest23>can anyone help me
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19:33<Guest23>to change the language in Knoppix 5.2
19:33<themill>!knoppix
19:33<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
19:33<Guest23>from German to English
19:34<Guest23>dpkg: knoppix isn't Debian?
19:34<witte>Guest23: just boot with lang=en, but as themill pointed out, for further questions you can better go somewhere else
19:34<Guest23>dpkg: but the command in Knoppix like in Debian
19:34<witte>!bot
19:34<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
19:36<witte>Guest23: also note that knoppix comes with standard german keyboard layout (=qwertz) and not the us qwerty
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19:36<themill>Guest23: you can download a -en iso rather than a -de iso...
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19:37<Guest23>witte: I've setting in the grub with lang=en
19:37<Guest23>but in the K menu
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19:37<Guest23>the language is still in Deutch
19:37<ptr>righto
19:38<ptr>dpkg-reconfigure locales
19:38<ptr>also, you could download the iso that's in english by default
19:38<witte>Guest23: i do not know, but probably there will be a kde configuration gui thingy
19:39<Guest23>witte: so..., u mean that I can't change the language
19:39<ptr> Guest23: you can
19:39<ptr>Guest23: run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" in a terminal
19:39<ptr>as root
19:40<ptr>then WHAM
19:40<witte>no i mean that you will have to search for something called "configuration" or "settings" or whatever
19:40<ptr>english :^)
19:40<themill>KControlCentre -> Regional and Accessibility -> Country/region -> Locale -> English
19:40<ptr>Guest23: that also works ;^)
19:40<witte>Guest23: the thing ptr says is also correct, but i am not sure if that applies for gui also
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19:40<ptr>witte: it does
19:41<ptr>witte: it applies to anything that respects $LANG
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19:41<ptr>and I believe kde does (it should)
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19:41<Guest23>OK, I'll try it
19:41<themill>ptr: only if you log out and then log back int
19:41<witte>ptr: ah, ok, seems logical
19:41<themill>in*
19:41<ptr>themill:true that.
19:41<ptr>didn't think that was a big deal
19:41<themill>ptr: which you can't do when running knoppix
19:41<ptr>themill: oooh, right. Well, actually you can, but it's annoying
19:42<ptr>Guest23: yah, go the kde route
19:42<themill>ptr: :)
19:42<themill>bahh.... bed time for me.... well past... reverse polish speak... tired....
19:42<themill>night all!
19:43<Guest23>I've run the command
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19:43<Guest23>dpkg-reconfigure locales
19:43<Guest23>but there are many option
19:43<Guest23>ptr: what should I do?
19:43<ptr>Guest23: you want en_US.utf-8
19:43<ptr>or whatever it is
19:44<ptr>Guest23: but you should do it through the kde control center, because any settings you make using dpkg-reconfigure won't take effect until you log out.... but in knoppix, logging out = shutting down
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19:44<Guest23>ptr: Ok, I'll try it
19:44<Guest23>ptr: thanks
19:44<ptr>np :^)
19:45<Guest23>I'll log out and try it
19:45<Guest23>thanks every body
19:45<ptr>Don't log out!
19:45<Guest23>that help me
19:45<ptr>it'll restart your computer
19:45<ptr>that's the point
19:46<ptr>in knoppix, logging out = shutting down
19:46<witte>Guest23: did you install knoppix or do you run knoppix
19:46<Guest23>witte: I still run knoppix from virtual box in liveDVD
19:46<ptr>Guest23: Also, for the future, I believe it's been mentioned but there *is* a separate version of knoppix, a different dvd image, which defaults to english.
19:46<ptr>You should download that one next time.
19:46<ptr>Guest23: right
19:47<ptr>so make the change in the kde control center
19:47<ptr>it ought to take effect immediately
19:47<ptr>if it doesn't,
19:47<ptr>here's how to log out without restarting:
19:47<ptr>in a terminal,
19:47<ptr>type
19:47<ptr>/etc/init.d/kdm restart
19:47<ptr>as root.
19:47[~]jagerman breaks ptr's enter key so that it only works on every 4th press
19:47<ptr>jagerman: hehe, sorry, bad habit
19:48<jagerman>:)
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19:50<GhostlyDeath>When is testing going to be updated?
19:51<ptr>2010
19:51<abrotman>GhostlyDeath: updated to what?
19:51<chealer>GhostlyDeath: after the next britney run.
19:51<GhostlyDeath>britney run?
19:51<ptr>post-duke nukem forever
19:51<azeem>GhostlyDeath: the master server is down
19:51<chealer>!tell GhostlyDeath about britney
19:51<azeem>no testing updates for now
19:52<GhostlyDeath>Know when it will be back?
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19:52<azeem>no
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19:54<Guest23>ptr: It's work
19:54<Guest23>ptr: thanks
19:54<ptr>yay! glad to hear it
19:54<ptr>np
19:54<Guest23>ptr: so... I don't to download again in english language
19:55<ptr>hehe, well, now you know how to "fix" the german one, so just remember that next time
19:55<ptr>but you could just set it downloading now, so that by the time you need it next, you'll have it...
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19:56<ptr>as someone remarked earlier, if the filename ends in -de, that's the german iso
19:56<ptr>the english one ends in -en
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19:58<ptr>Guest23: out of curiosity, why knoppix?
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20:08<Guest23>ptr: u mean, why I choose Knoppix, isn't it?
20:09<Guest23>ptr: oh yeah, in the K-Menu, there are some sub menu is still use deutch
20:10<Guest23>ptr: like logout, lock screen and switch user is still in deutch
20:10<Guest23>ptr: Can I change it to english too?
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20:10<fabien>hy
20:11<Guest23>ptr: and the tool tips is still deutch too
20:11<ptr>darn
20:11<ptr>did you /etc/init.d/kdm restart?
20:11<ptr>it may be that the english translations simply aren't installed
20:11<Guest23>ptr: no
20:11<ptr>and you can probably install 'em
20:11<ptr>but yeah, do that.
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20:11<ptr>it'll log you out and back in again
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20:12<fabien>I have stability troubles with a recent etch-amd64 install. My station hangs up with a syslog message: Oops 0002 [1] SMP. Since, I have a kernel panic at boot. Some tips/advices ?
20:12<Guest23>I've run the command
20:12<Guest23>ptr: but the message is
20:12<ptr>what message?
20:12<Guest23>ptr: kdm not running
20:12<ptr>oooh
20:12<ptr>hmm
20:13|-|mode/#debian [+l 295] by debhelper
20:13<ptr>how does knoppix handle sessions, anyway? darnit
20:13<Guest23>ptr: I run from liveDVD
20:13<ptr>guest23: so, press ctrl+alt+f1 to go to a console. There, type init 2; init 3;
20:13<ptr>that should stop and start x
20:13<ptr>and relog you in
20:13<ptr>course, it'll kick you off irc for a moment
20:14<Guest23>ptr: OK, now I understand
20:14<Guest23>ptr: I'll do it
20:14<Guest23>ptr: but...
20:14<Guest23>ptr: before I run the command
20:14<Guest23>ptr: thanks for ur help for me
20:14<ptr>no problem!
20:14<ptr>^.^
20:14<Guest23>:)
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20:15<ptr>hope that works... :-\
20:15<ptr>I just realized I forgot to tell him how to get back to x! Hope it selects itself automatically
20:15<ptr>usually does
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20:23<ptr>yay!
20:23<ptr>welcome back, Guest26
20:23<ptr>did it work?
20:25<Guest26>ptr: of course
20:25<Guest26>ptr: thanks very much
20:25<ptr>sweet :^)
20:25<ptr>no problem.
20:26<Guest26>ptr: u know mikrotik?
20:26<ptr>? as in, microtek scanners?
20:26<ptr>otherwise no
20:26<ptr>-.-
20:26<Guest26>no..
20:27<Guest26>u open www.mikrotik.com
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20:29<Guest26>ptr: my friend told to me
20:29<Guest26>ptr: that I should use mikrotik
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20:29<Shu>is there anything in debian that tell you the state of your hard drive?
20:29<Shu>like how much is being used
20:29<Shu>etc
20:30<witte>df
20:30<Shu>k
20:30<Shu>thanks
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20:31<Guest26>In Indonesia
20:32<Guest26>there are many consumer that use mikrotik
20:32<Guest26>like in router
20:32<Guest26>or other
20:34<ptr>Guest26: I dunno what mikrotik is
20:34<ptr>oooh
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20:34<ptr>sorry :-\
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20:39<Guest26>ptr: nope
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20:40<Shu>does anyone know any web browser that is really really really lightweight and graphics based?
20:40<witte>Shu: dillo?
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20:41<Guest26>shu: how about with opera?
20:41<Shu>hmm...
20:41<Shu>ill try
20:42<Guest26>ptr: mikrotik is like linux that to use for gateway, routers and bandwith management
20:43<Guest26>ptr: In Indonesia, we use for the server in internet cafe
20:43<ptr>Shu: dillo is great if you need really really really lightweight---it's only recently ported to gtk2, it's less than a megabyte (i think), and it just barely supports html + some css
20:43<Guest26>ptr: u know?
20:43<ptr>Shu: opera is a full-featured web-browser, but they pride themselves on speed and low memory usage
20:43<ptr>aaaaah
20:43<Shu>i suppose ill use dillo unless i absoluly need to use something else
20:44<ptr>Shu: It's not so bad ^.^ I used it on a 486 for years
20:44<ptr>Guest26: aaaah, so you install linux on these things?
20:44<Shu>thats good to hear
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20:44<witte>Shu: there is also galeon and konqueror, but i do not know the system requirements for those
20:44<Guest26>ptr: yeah...., in Indonesia
20:44<ptr>Guest26: or is it a linux distribution itself?
20:44<ptr>like, what is it, exactly?
20:44<ptr>googling.
20:44<Guest26>ptr: I think so
20:45<Guest26>ptr: have u open www.mikrotik.com ?
20:45<ptr>Guest26: yes.... and I'm still confused; they make software and hardware, and it's not clear which it is you have or what you're trying to do
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20:46<ptr>what are you trying to do? :P
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20:53<Guest26>actually, I learn linux for hobby
20:53<Guest26>yesterday, my friend told to me that
20:53<ptr>neato!
20:53<Guest26>I should use mikrotik
20:53<ptr>So, where does mikrotik come in?
20:53<Guest26>I think mikrotik from Indonesia
20:54<ptr>I know it's from indonesia!
20:54<ptr>I'm saying,
20:54<ptr>what's a mikrotik?
20:54<ptr>and what would you be doing with it?
20:54<ptr>and how does it relate to linux?
20:54<ptr>do you have hardware from them that you're trying to install onto?
20:54<Guest26>no..., I don't have the hardware
20:54<ptr>kay
20:54<witte>Guest26: this is #debian, not #mikrotik, not #indonesia, not anything else but #debian
20:55<ptr>so why do you keep talking about mikrotik?
20:55<ptr>witte: because clearly, he's distracting from the enormous flow of debian-related talk
20:55<Guest26>ptr: sorry
20:55<ptr>Guest26: sorry for what? I just don't understand what mikrotik has to do with anything, and you haven't explained
20:55<witte>ptr: debian is perfect, there are currently no debian problems
20:55<witte>:-)
20:56<ptr>haha
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20:56<Guest26>I think mikrotik is based on debian
20:56<ptr>ooooh
20:56<witte>!based on debian
20:56<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
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20:56<ptr>Guest26: they seem to have an operating system called RouterOS.... but if looks windows-based....
20:57<ptr>Guest26: ok, I was wrong about that.... but the details on their site are very sketchy
20:57<ptr>Guest26: just go with straight debian. It'll do everything you need, and there's a lot more support available.
20:58<Aleric>Does debian have an application that I can use to edit videos with?
20:58<ptr>mencoder
20:58<ptr>awesome stuff, that
20:58<Aleric>heh
20:58<Guest26>ptr: Ok, I understand it
20:58<ptr>course, it's command-line
20:58<Aleric>ptr: Anything GUI ? :)
20:58<ptr>Guest26: I may not be right.... but I think I am, and that's half the battle :D
20:59<witte>aleric: apt-cache search mencoder
20:59<witte>there are some listed
20:59<ptr>Aleric: I'm not sure. There's an offshoot of the gimp called cinepaint (formerly film gimp) you could look at
20:59<ptr>Aleric: I haven't used it, though.
20:59<Guest26>ptr: what should I download from debian, because there are many iso-files. I'm really confused
20:59<ptr>I think the state of video editing on linux is, unfortunately, rather poor.
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21:00<ptr>Guest26: hold on, I'll look
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21:00<witte>kmenc15 is the only one that seems to come close to what you want from a mencoder point of view
21:00<ptr>Guest26: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso
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21:00<lontra>Guest26: you could grab the netinstall or if you prefer gnome cd 1, if you prefer kde ... the kde cd, or if you prefer xfce ... the xfce cd
21:01<ptr>Guest26: that's the netinstall image right there.... and you can install anything you want from that (it downloads the necessary packages over the internet at install time)
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21:01<ptr>It's very small, because it downloads everything it needs
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21:02<ptr>Guest26: actually I should have asked you---what kind of processor does your computer have?
21:02<Guest26>In indonesia, internet connection is very bad
21:02<ptr>ooooh
21:02<ptr>well, you're going to have to download it one way or another
21:03<ptr>either in the iso, or during the install
21:03<ptr>but if you do it during the install,
21:03<ptr>you'll get just the parts you need, and no more :^)
21:03<ptr>Guest26: but you could also try ubuntu---that comes with a pretty GUI by default.... and it's based on debian... *and* you can get them to ship you an install cd for free ;^)
21:03<Guest26>if I just download kde version in CD-1, can I run it?
21:03<ptr>witte: sorry to bring up non-ubuntu again :-\
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21:04<ptr>Guest26: err, yeah... but you'd spend less time downloading if you got the netinst disk and told it to install kde
21:04<witte>ptr: I feel like debian police today :P
21:04<ptr>haha
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21:04<ptr>Guest26: download the netinst disk, burn it, run it. Pick just the things that you need. Those will be the only things that get downloaded.
21:04<ptr>Guest26: that way, you don't download more than you need.
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21:05<Guest26>I don't have internet connection in my home
21:05<ptr>oooooooooh
21:05<Guest26>so... what should I do
21:05<ptr>ok, sorry, I'm stupid
21:05<ptr>haha
21:05<ptr>Yes, get the kde install disk. witte? where is it to be found?
21:05<lontra>ptr: well that's not true about the kded install disk
21:05<Guest26>ptr: no..., I'm stupid too :D
21:06<ptr>lontra: would you be so kind as to direct our friend to the kde install disk?
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21:06<lontra>one sec
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21:06<lontra>Guest26: where do you live?
21:06<lontra>country?
21:07<Guest26>lontra: Indonesia
21:07<witte>ptr: I have on idea which disk that is, i never got all the debian cd's, i always used netinstall
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21:07<lontra>Guest26: http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
21:07<lontra>Guest26: that links in Australia
21:08<Guest26>if I download kde-debian disc 1, is it complete?
21:08<lontra>Guest26: yup ... comes with X and KDE
21:08<lontra>Guest26: printing, sound, etc
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21:08<softwork>hello, i have a problem it my tv card is Saa7134, in debian testing i dont have sound,
21:08<chealer>Guest26: depends what you mean by complete. you can install Debian with it.
21:08<softwork>i use kernel 2.6.22
21:09<Guest26>lontra: how about server tools?
21:09<lontra>Guest26: well some but you'll need to install those later
21:09<lontra>Guest26: you can't use tasksel with the KDE cd i believe
21:09<lontra>softwork: did you have sound wtih debian stable?
21:10<softwork>yes
21:10<softwork>in debian stable i have sound
21:10<chealer>lontra: you can use tasksel, but not during the install.
21:10<lontra>chealer: sure
21:10<Shu>has anyone installed opera here?
21:10<softwork>i have tv card connected to onboard sound,
21:10<witte>!opera
21:10<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. see <opera apt>
21:10[~]lontra recommends konqueror, iceweasel, or epiphany to Shu
21:11<lontra>!anyone
21:11<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
21:11<Guest26>shu: I have install it but not in debian based
21:11<Shu>oh
21:11<Shu>sudo dpkg -i opera_9.24-20071015.6-shared-qt_en_i386.deb isnt working
21:11<witte>Shu: now that lontra mentions it, ephiphany could also be a semi lightwight alternative
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21:12<Shu>well, i want a full web browser
21:12<Shu>just in case dillo doesnt work
21:12<lontra>Shu: what's your error? doesn't work ... doesnt' help us
21:12<lontra>Shu: you could also try netsurf
21:12<lontra>!netsurf
21:12<Guest26>shu: I directly download from opera site
21:12<Shu>dpkg: error processing opera (--install):
21:12<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
21:12<Shu>dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
21:13<ptr>ok
21:13<witte>!opera apt
21:13<dpkg>check http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/841/?keyword=apt&platformID=7
21:13<Guest26>shu: how about if u download from opera.com ?
21:13<ptr>Shu: open aptitude, or synaptic
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21:13<ptr>try to install the opera package from there
21:13<witte>Shu: dkpg is a bot...
21:13<ptr>Shu: it will try to pull in the dependencies it needs. If it can't find them....
21:13<ptr>witte: so's anna
21:13<witte>!anna
21:13<ptr>Shu: it'll at least tell you what they are.
21:13<lontra>so's abrotman
21:13<Shu>k
21:14<witte>ptr: anna is a bot? don't know her :-)
21:14<abrotman>who what?
21:14<ptr>witte: hehe, referring to the song "boten anna"
21:14<ptr>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYQUsp-jxDQ
21:14<lontra>ptr: is that that danish song?
21:14<ptr>yep
21:14<ptr>least, I think it's danish
21:15<ptr>swedish.
21:15<k-man>what permission do i set on a directory so all subdirectories and files stay the same group owner?
21:15<ptr>Basshunter is swedish
21:15<ptr>k-man: setgid
21:15<ptr>so, say, chmod 2755
21:15<lontra>ptr: it's all norwegian to me
21:15<ptr>lontra: haha
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21:16<witte>ptr: ok, i have heard that song before :-)
21:16<ptr>hehe
21:17<Aleric>I found a video editting thingy: kino
21:17<ptr>nice
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21:18<Aleric>http://kino.sourceforge.net/kino_fx-0.8.0.png
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21:20<bruno_>hello
21:21<bruno_>anyone there?
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21:21<bruno_>hey why does my debian comes without ifconfig?
21:21<bruno_>ifconfig is not important?
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21:22<lontra>bruno_: ifconfig comes with debian
21:22<witte>bruno_: it is normally in /sbin/
21:22<Guest26>bruno_: every linux is has the command like ifconfig
21:23<bruno_>hmm, I installed the netinst version
21:23<bruno_>and I dont have it
21:23<bruno_>I tried to use it
21:23<bruno_>and I tryed to locate it
21:23<dli>bruno_, it must be there, try apt-get --reinstall install net-tools
21:23<lontra>bruno_: as root?
21:23<witte>bruno_: /sbin is not in your user path: user /sbin/ifconfig
21:23<bruno_>yes
21:23<Guest26>bruno_: u must run it from root
21:23<bruno_>oohhh
21:23<bruno_>I so stupid
21:23<bruno_>so sorry
21:24<Guest26>bruno_: don't say like it
21:24<bzed>you can run it as normal user, too
21:24<bruno_>I was not with root when I tried, because now I see it
21:24<bruno_>lol
21:24<bzed>/sbin/ifconfig
21:24<bzed>or add /sbin and /usr/bin to your PATH
21:24<Shu>if you dont have gnome, can you get epiphany?
21:24<bruno_>actually I dont have a GUI
21:24<dli>bruno_, you may try the iproute package also, the next generation iproute2
21:24<bruno_>I am trying to learn everything about command-line
21:24<witte>Shu: apt-cache show epiphany-browser
21:25<bruno_>ok, now that I realized that I have ifconfig :P
21:25<dli>Shu, just install the package, you can have konqueror (from kde) also
21:25<witte>Shu: that will show the dependencies (
21:25<bruno_>does anyone could help me to install my wireless device?
21:26<Shu>i seems i need gnome
21:26<dli>bruno_, lspci|grep -i eth
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21:26<dli>bruno_, lspci|grep -i net
21:26<bruno_>I know the name of my wireless card already
21:27<bruno_>I was wondering how do I download a tar from command line?
21:27<bruno_>I tried to access it with telnet
21:27<bruno_>but my skills didnt help me
21:27<bruno_>:P
21:27<dli>bruno_, wget, lyx, w3m
21:27<abrotman>wget
21:27<iamtravis>i'm getting connection attempts to port 80 and 23.. wonder why - do you guys ever get logs of packets trying to connect to random ports on your ip address?
21:27<dli>bruno_, s/lyx/lynx/
21:28<bruno_>ok I will try this
21:28<lontra>Shu: you don't need gnome for epiphany but there are probably gobs of gnome dependencies
21:28<Shu>there are
21:28<Shu>i suppose ill try and see how it goes
21:29<lontra>why not iceweasel?
21:29<witte>iamtravis: 23 is ftp i think and 80 is standard webserver http, they are not random it seems
21:29<Shu>it doesnt seem to be working
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21:29<Shu>im to tired to try to fix it
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21:29<bruno_>ohh cool
21:29<bruno_>I`m downloading thanksss
21:29<iamtravis>yeah.. never got them to those ports before though or from a hurricane electric, i always wonder why people try to connect to a certain port on my machine, since i don't run a server or anything
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21:30<iamtravis>i had my ISP do a stealth scan on me once.. i don't know if it was them or somebody using their systems
21:31<iamtravis>*i'm always on the lookout for the internet gremlins.. who like to take away my connection and ruin my computer*
21:31<witte>iamtravis: those would be ports that a scan should try
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21:32<iamtravis>yeah looks like a port scan.. wish i knew more about OS fingerprinting and stuff so i could write programs against it
21:32<iamtravis>make them think i'm running windows 95 with no firewall
21:34<dli>iamtravis, try psad
21:34<iamtravis>and somehow they use my router to stealth scan me.. i think that uses the source_port though
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21:34<iamtravis>i'm using arno iptables for a system firewall and a sort of hardened router
21:35<iamtravis>there was a guy from some university in texas or massacheussettes/campus ip that stealth scanned me too earlier on
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21:36<iamtravis>oh well, since i'm not using the internet, might as well get off it
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21:38<iamtravis>i guess with no servers running and a debian install i should be ok though.. i'll look into psad, arno's has been the best so far
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21:40<iamtravis>could i run psad along with arno's firewall?
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21:43<iamtravis>Connection attempt (UNPRIV): IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:1a:a0:c0:17:6b:00:15:e9:e9:ef:8e:08:00 SRC=192.168.0.1 DST=192.168.0.x LEN=133 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=59 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=53 DPT=32780 LEN=113 - you guys are the pro's, this is a specially crafted packet to use source_routing isn't it? (from my router, i don't even trust that :p)
21:45<witte>iamtravis: this looks like some kind of domain server thing
21:45<iamtravis>i wonder how they got my computers ip though.. maybe ran a brute force password cracker on my router then grabbed my routing setup? .. supposedly no way to connect to it from the outside though
21:45<witte>iamtravis: grep 53 /etc/services
21:46<witte>iamtravis: i think it is your router that sends that to you, and i think it is quite harmless
21:46<witte>btw: i am not one of the pros
21:47<iamtravis>ah ok, since i had a log on my router of somebody scanning/connecting to ports from 1-50000 who knows
21:47<witte>ok, that could be a bit more serious
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21:47<witte>but normally that should not pass your router
21:49<iamtravis>yeah.. there was a way though since i had a pc log for them to get past it, exim4 and inetd are the only things running, and i think they're configured to not accept any connections by default/ plus it's all firewalled
21:50<bruno_>hi, I`ve downloaded the tgz file for my wireless card, and I am following the "readme" instructions to configure it
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21:50<witte>bruno_: which wireless card?
21:50<bruno_>hmmm 1 sec
21:50<bruno_> RaLink RT2561/RT61
21:51<witte>ah, i have one of those as well
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21:51<witte>but i am not that happy with it
21:51<witte>which kernel do you run?
21:51<ptr>ooch
21:51<bruno_>I think 2.6 but not sure
21:51<witte>uname -r
21:51<bruno_>hwo do I check?
21:51<ptr>I've had bad luck with those---I always end up using ndiswrapper
21:51<ptr>because the real driver either panics the kernel or just plain doesn't work
21:51<bruno_>2.6.18-5-686
21:52<witte>ptr: i use the sidux downloads and they work mroe or less
21:52<ptr>the former in feisty, the latter in gutsy
21:52<ptr>hmm
21:52<witte>2.6.18, that is ok, the ralink downloads should work in that case
21:52<ptr>witte: I haven't tried to hard lately, because I'm somewhere where I have a wired connection.... but I'll check it out
21:52<ptr>oh, darnit, forgot which channel I was in
21:52<witte>my problems were with the 2.6.20+ kernels
21:52<ptr>sorry for the ubuntu references
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21:52<bruno_>so, did u install from the files that the ralink gives in their site?
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21:53<witte>bruno_: if i recall correctly, the ralink files worked under 2.6.18
21:53<witte>so yes, but ymmv
21:53<bruno_>ymmv?
21:53<witte>!ymmv
21:53<dpkg>[ymmv] your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html
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21:53<bruno_>oh ok
21:54<bruno_>so like I was saying, the readme file told me to "make all" I didnt have make, so I used apt-get install to put it
21:55<bruno_>and when I tried to "make all" it told me "make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop."
21:55<jae>Why can't I mark text in on xterm while I can in another?
21:55<jae>This is driving me nuts
21:56<witte>jae: mark text == select?
21:56<jae>Yes: click LMB, drag
21:56<nexx__>hey guys, ive got a bit of a simple question...i'm trying to watch a movie. its a divx .avi file and its in russian, the movie came with a .sub and a .idx file for subtitles, but in totem no matter what i do with the subtitle options, i cant get subtitels to play properly
21:56<witte>bruno_: upload the full output to a pastebin
21:56<witte>!pastebin
21:56<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
21:56<witte>jae: that works for me
21:56<dli>nexx__, try mplayer
21:57<bruno_>ok
21:57<nexx__>k
21:57<iamtravis>do you guys have any info on the core 2 processor bugs being fixed for debian? / is there a plan to?
21:58<jae>witte: I'm not surprised :)
21:58<nexx__>i get a "Error opening/initializing the selcted video_out (-vo) device
21:58<nexx__>when i try and open a .avi file with mplayer
21:58<chealer>iamtravis: see the bug reports.
21:58<jae>I suspect it's some weird effect of synergy (which I really do not and cannot work without)
21:59<witte>jae: ok, so probably it is a synergy bug :-)
21:59[~]witte does some googling on synergy
21:59<nexx__>lol, mplayer crashed as well
21:59<nexx__>it told me to recompile
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22:01<bruno_>hmm do I put here the url of the paste?
22:01<bruno_>if yes there it goes
22:01<witte>yes
22:01<witte>:-)
22:01<bruno_>http://paste.lisp.org/display/50361
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22:02<bruno_>I think I need to buy a book to learn debian, I`m still too noob
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22:03<user01>will debian always use apt package manager?
22:03<nexx__>it uses aptitude i think
22:03<nexx__>might be the same program tho
22:03[~]nexx__ shrugs
22:04<user01>i use both
22:04<user01>but i think im supposed to use aptitude these days
22:04<iamtravis>i don't see anything about it, i guess i'll just have to watch out what i run
22:04<user01>but im so used to apt-ger
22:04<user01>get
22:04<jae>user01: my crystal ball is in the shop for maintenance, so I can't really say :)
22:04<jae>"supposed to"?
22:05[~]jae will stop using apt-get when they pry it out of my cold, dead, fingers
22:05<dli>!tell bruno_ about rt61
22:05<kurumin>hello
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22:06<user01>jae: aptitude is supposed to be better at resolving dependencies i thought
22:06<user01>jae: but i still use apt-get out of habit
22:06<witte>dli: does rt61 now work with rt2x00?
22:06<witte>that would be great
22:07<dli>witte, I would try rt2500 first
22:07<jae>aptitude is as good as apt, afaik
22:07<witte>rt2500 does not contain rt61 iirc
22:07<user01>but i went to a lug presentation this week where they talked about how apt sucks and rpms suck even more and conary was the way to go for the future
22:07<jae>Just aptitude being more "user-friendly"... for some definition of said term
22:07<jae>conary?
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22:08<user01>jae: http://specialkevin.com/presentations/conary.html
22:08<bruno_>dli, so do I install this tar that u told me right?
22:08<witte>dli: but i will give it a new look soon (not today)
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22:08<jae>I knew I heard that before
22:08<witte>b
22:09<jae>Given that I hadn't heard of rPath Linux outside of "conary is *the best*"... I tend to be and stay suspicous
22:09<bruno_>:( your level of knowledge is far away from mine, I am lost lol
22:10<witte>bruno_: dli said to try rt2x00 or rt2500 as they are newer and better maintained
22:10<witte>I would go for the rt2x00 as it should contain the correct drivers
22:10<user01>jae, everyone at the meeting seemed skeptical
22:11<witte>normally "m-a m-i rt2x00-source"
22:11<witte>!tell bruno_ about m-a
22:11<user01>jae, but apparently the model was designed by an original rpm manager for red hat . . .
22:11<bruno_>yes tell me about m-a lol
22:12<witte>bruno_: dpkg did tell you about m-a, didn't he?
22:12<user01>jae, he tells everyone he knows that he knows rpms suck, they had only asked him to design a system taht would install off a cdrom i guess
22:12<bruno_>did it yes
22:12<bruno_>thx
22:12<user01>jae, he said it was meant for downloading off the internet
22:13<user01>wasnt meant
22:13<witte>bruno_: are you on stable or on testing/sid?
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22:14<bruno_>u mean stable version or a testing version? if yes I am in a stable
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22:15<witte>bruno_: ok, that is not that good, the version in debian stable of rt2x00 is to old
22:15<bruno_>witte, sorry if I dont understand everything I am a real noob, I just got my first ubuntu 2 months ago, and I am trying to install a webserver now in an old pc
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22:17<witte>bruno_: I am sorry I can't give you a decent explaination how to get this working, i am really tired (it is 4:15 here). Try to install module-assistent (m-a) and use that for rt2x00. If that does not work, try the legacy drivers you find here: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads
22:18<jae>user01: given that I found an article on rpath/conary from Apri 2006, and Erik Troan being the founder... one would expect them to have more of a mindshare by now. Which they don't. Makes one wonder...
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22:18<witte>bruno_: these legacy drivers should be ok (I think). If not, someone else here will be able to help you
22:19[~]jae has vague recollections of some mess surrounding rpm and its RH developer (which would be, surprise, Erik Troan)
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22:19<jae>But those are a) too vague to really say anything about Erik and b) they are very off-topic for here too :)
22:19<bruno_>witte, ok dont worry, actually is late here as well 3:19
22:20<witte>bruno_: UK?
22:20<bruno_>witte, ireland
22:20<witte>ok, even further
22:20<bruno_>and u?
22:20<witte>Belgium
22:20<bruno_>cool
22:20<user01>jae, hmmm . . . well the theory sounded good
22:21<witte>ok, good night...
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22:21<bruno_>ok, I will save this in a txt, to try tomorrow, got to go to bed as well
22:21<bruno_>thx ppl
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22:22<user01>jae, oh well he is supposed to come to our LUG soon to explain himself
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22:28<pichon>hello
22:28<pichon>i need help
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22:30<Supaplex>!tell pichon -about ask
22:31<Supaplex>!tell pichon about ownership support
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22:31<pichon>thanks
22:32<pichon>i have a problem with qmail
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22:32<pichon>CRITICAL: Can't allocate memory (8 bytes).
22:32<pichon>this problems in logs
22:32<pichon>in smtpd
22:32<Supaplex>how busy is this system? how often does that occur?
22:33<pichon>10 lines 1 error
22:34<pichon>sorry my inglish is bad
22:34<pichon>ebglish
22:34<pichon>engish
22:35<pichon>in google I dont find infomation
22:35<pichon>about this problem
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22:43<pichon>the system is no busy the memory is OK and hard disk too
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22:56<Supaplex>pichon: run this, apt-cache policy libc6 | grep Insta
22:57<pichon>ok
22:57<pichon> Installed: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3
22:57<pichon>supaplex thanks!!!
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22:59<Supaplex>pichon: try upgrading to stable. no one wants to fix bugs in old stable.
23:00<Supaplex>ps, see topic
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23:01<pichon>the server is in production
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23:01<Supaplex>then someone with the salary behind it can figure it out
23:02<pichon>ok thanks
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