| --- | Log | opened Sat Nov 10 00:00:04 2007 |
| --- | Day | changed Sat Nov 10 2007 |
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| 00:01 | <AndyJ_Australia> | Who must have? |
| 00:01 | <bakon> | college |
| 00:01 | <bakon> | he asked waited 3 seconds and elft heh |
| 00:01 | <bakon> | (23:52:16) college [~college@76.226.41.137] entered the room. |
| 00:01 | <bakon> | (23:53:08) college: how can i encrypt all of my deleted files and my whole disk |
| 00:01 | <bakon> | (23:53:57) college left the room (quit: ). |
| 00:02 | <AndyJ_Australia> | Ah! I didn't notice that he left |
| 00:02 | <bakon> | you any good with ethtool and miitool? |
| 00:02 | <AndyJ_Australia> | Meanwhile... Can anyone point me at a method for resizing existing partitions? |
| 00:02 | <AndyJ_Australia> | Sorry, I haven't used either |
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| 00:04 | <AndyJ_Australia> | So far, all I have found is the gnome disks manager, which only seems to report |
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| 00:06 | <AndyJ_Australia> | Aha! Just found gparted |
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| 00:16 | <AndyJ_Australia> | Hmmm... looks dangerous |
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| 00:22 | <chuck1954> | is ther a file sharing program for Debian |
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| 00:23 | <Supaplex> | apache |
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| 00:33 | <user01> | is there a way to write a wav file when playing a flv video? |
| 00:33 | <user01> | it seems to play in totem |
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| 00:36 | <dondelelcaro> | user01: just use youtube-dl or similar to download the actual flv |
| 00:39 | <user01> | dondelelcaro, i just get the flv in the temp directory |
| 00:40 | <user01> | dondelelcaro, i think i figure out a way, did sound recorder and mix and it recorded the wav |
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| 00:41 | <dondelelcaro> | user01: if you've actually got the flv, there's no need to recode it |
| 00:41 | <user01> | dondelelcaro, i wanted to get an audio capture of a song |
| 00:41 | <user01> | dondelelcaro, in a video |
| 00:41 | <dondelelcaro> | user01: so use mencoder or mplayer to rip out the audio |
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| 00:43 | <user01> | dondelelcaro, not that flv audio is usually high quality |
| 00:43 | <co_> | halo |
| 00:44 | <co_> | halo |
| 00:44 | <user01> | the original or ii or iii? |
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| 00:44 | <user01> | the original it must be |
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| 00:51 | <user01> | dondelelcaro, wow that was easy thanks :) |
| 00:52 | <Xenguy> | user01: er, just don't mention webmin around dondelelcaro ... |
| 00:53 | <Xenguy> | ;-) |
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| 00:54 | <DanDare> | hahahaha yeah |
| 00:54 | <user01> | Xenguy, ok |
| 00:55 | <DanDare> | !dpkg webmin |
| 00:55 | <DanDare> | :p |
| 00:55 | <user01> | is there a dpkg for that? |
| 00:55 | <user01> | oh ok |
| 00:55 | <Xenguy> | it's a running joke with me and dondelelcaro ;-) |
| 00:55 | <Xenguy> | at least I hope it is :P |
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| 00:59 | <user01> | haha i found an example with mplayer that seems dumb . . . he uses ffmpeg to expand a 8 kb source to 128 kb hehe |
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| 00:59 | <user01> | http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/229/extract-audio-from-video-or-online-stream/ |
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| 02:36 | <travis> | are you guys or do do you know of anybody using debian who's put together a package similar to nvidia's non-free driver installer, for the xfi soundcard driver? |
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| 02:38 | <travis> | i actually had let a person from #alsa-dev come onto my computer to try to figure it out, but without luck for both my onboard and soundcard, and i haven't found any sort of documentation that deals with the problems i hit.. the closest thing i could find was a kernel patch from some website that i know nothing about |
| 02:38 | <travis> | and looking for reviews from users of it, there seemed to be alot of fails |
| 02:41 | <travis> | meh, i guess this would be the kind of case where having a 10 year old computer would be more beneficial |
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| 02:43 | <gsimmons> | travis: Sorry to hear you're still experiencing difficulties with your onboard chipset. Regarding the closed-source X-Fi 64-bit drivers, these aren't even supported by the vendor. You can contribute "feedback" to upstream, but that seems to be all. |
| 02:45 | <travis> | alright, i have a feeling they'd work if i could get around that library bit but damned if i know how, maybe this is what the kernel patch was about |
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| 02:53 | <the> | jammaah |
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| 03:15 | <Vanye> | Hell. Does Etch have a speakup kernel/boot floppies? |
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| 03:17 | [~] | Vanye wonders if he can use Sarge's Speakup boot floppies to install Etch |
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| 03:21 | <cyfuss_> | hola |
| 03:21 | <cyfuss_> | hello |
| 03:21 | <Vanye> | Hola/Hello. |
| 03:21 | <cyfuss_> | Can I write in spanish?, this is a english channel |
| 03:21 | <cyfuss_> | ? |
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| 03:22 | <Vanye> | You could, but I dunno if you'll get an answer. |
| 03:22 | <cyfuss_> | ;-) |
| 03:22 | <fxiny> | !es |
| 03:22 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:23 | <cyfuss_> | well, I have a problem with resolution |
| 03:23 | <cyfuss_> | dpkg, thanks |
| 03:23 | <dpkg> | cyfuss_: sure thing |
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| 03:24 | <cyfuss_> | I have a kvm and debian change my resolution to 8900x600 |
| 03:24 | <cyfuss_> | and I can't change now, I don't know because I have seen /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it's have a correct vconfiguration |
| 03:29 | [~] | Vanye shrugs. I'm blind, myself, and haven't seen the GUI in years. |
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| 03:39 | <RIVE> | Good night. |
| 03:40 | <RIVE> | I have a problem with the sound of a Dell inspiron 1520 |
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| 03:41 | <RIVE> | Need help |
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| 03:42 | <Eulex> | cyfuss_, read your xorg log. |
| 03:42 | <Eulex> | !alsa checklist |
| 03:42 | <dpkg> | [alsa-checklist] 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 03:42 | <Eulex> | RIVE, ^^ |
| 03:43 | <RIVE> | Ok, let me try that sugestion. |
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| 03:45 | <xxxxx> | hello! i got a problem i'm runing debian kde and when turn on my computer and i come in X i log in and X resets and wants me to log in again an i log in again and it resets an screen goes black... i go an error loking like this DROPPED IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0c:76:58:6b:89: |
| 03:45 | <xxxxx> | 08:00 SRC=192.168.0.100 DST=192.168.0.255 LEN=96 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=6859 PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=137 LEN=76 |
| 03:45 | <xxxxx> | can some one help me ? |
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| 03:45 | <xxxxx> | could be the guarddog firewall ? |
| 03:47 | <Eulex> | those are two separate 'issues': (1) your kde appears to be broken (2) you appear to be running a firewall |
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| 03:48 | <xxxxx> | so if i uninstall my firewall it will be ok and the messages will go of ? |
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| 03:49 | <Eulex> | yes, but your X will not be fixed. |
| 03:50 | <RIVE> | Ok, after running alsaconf and then trying to run alsamixer this is the error the send me... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for defaukt: No such device. Any suggetiosn for resolve this? |
| 03:50 | <xxxxx> | i dont understand why my i X is broken... how can i fix it? |
| 03:50 | <Eulex> | xxxxx, you read the logs. ~/.xsession-errors would be appropriate in this case. |
| 03:51 | <Eulex> | RIVE, did alsaconf find your sound card? |
| 03:51 | <RIVE> | Yes, it found it. |
| 03:51 | <Eulex> | did you perform step 2) = |
| 03:51 | <Eulex> | ? |
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| 03:52 | <xxxxx> | Elulex: thx i'll look it up. |
| 03:52 | <RIVE> | I'm already in the audio group. |
| 03:52 | <Eulex> | ok |
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| 03:53 | <Eulex> | odd then |
| 03:54 | <RIVE> | MOre info... yerterday I install Ubuntu 7.10 in this laptop and the sound did't work athier i fix it with a paqueckage fro a back port |
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| 03:55 | <RIVE> | I don want ubuntu in this laptop so i install Deian lenny. |
| 03:55 | <RIVE> | *Debian |
| 03:57 | <Eulex> | with what package? |
| 03:57 | <RIVE> | Allowme a moment. |
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| 03:59 | <fin> | #fh-koeln |
| 03:59 | <RIVE> | linux-backports-modules-generic |
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| 04:00 | <gsimmons> | RIVE: It appears the sound chipset in your laptop (82801H) requires a recent version of ALSA (eg. 1.0.15) for it to operate. |
| 04:00 | <RIVE> | Can i compile it? |
| 04:00 | <Eulex> | I'd suggets upgrading your kernel |
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| 04:02 | <RIVE> | Can i do that fron apt-get (new kernel) or have to move to SID. |
| 04:02 | <gsimmons> | RIVE, Eulex: It would need to be a very recent kernel. ALSA 1.0.15 isn't in 2.6.23, it's slated for inclusion in 2.6.24. |
| 04:02 | <Eulex> | backports.org has 2.6.22 kernels for etch. though I don't know exactly what kernel you need. |
| 04:02 | <Eulex> | gsimmons, wow |
| 04:02 | <Eulex> | RIVE, time to compile it yourself then, I guess |
| 04:03 | <RIVE> | I'm using 2.6.22 in Sid, is the default. |
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| 04:03 | <RIVE> | Sorry, in Leny |
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| 04:04 | <RIVE> | 2.6.22-2-686 more exactly |
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| 04:06 | <shaun_nz> | is there a command i can run in putty to confirm if I am using debian? |
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| 04:06 | <gsimmons> | !tell shaun_nz -about version |
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| 04:09 | <travis> | i don't need inetd or exim4 running if i'm not using any servers right? i tried apt-get remove exim4 and it still starts a service at startup.. or are these programs needed for something? |
| 04:09 | <shaun_nz> | cat /etc/debian_version returned 3.1 does that mean i am on debian 3.1? it wont be ubunto or anything? |
| 04:09 | <lupine> | shaun_nz: not necessarily |
| 04:09 | <lupine> | assuming your system is up to date, check the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:09 | <valdyn> | shaun_nz: that file is only meaningful if you have a clean system. |
| 04:10 | <lupine> | travis: exim is used internally |
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| 04:10 | <valdyn> | travis: you need an mta most certainly, exim4 is the default. |
| 04:10 | <lupine> | you can remove it if you like (exim is just a metapackage - check what it Depends: and remove those too) |
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| 04:10 | <lupine> | might result in breakage though |
| 04:11 | <lupine> | shaun_nz: PM is awfully impolite |
| 04:11 | <lupine> | in a terminal, just "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 04:11 | <shaun_nz> | lupine sorry |
| 04:11 | <lupine> | np |
| 04:11 | <travis> | alright, i just had a log of a couple internet connection attempts to exim4, and my router blocks most traffic so i wouldn't know how they'd get that through |
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| 04:12 | <valdyn> | travis: you might have configured exim4 wrongly for your purpose |
| 04:12 | <travis> | it's default configuration, i think i read that it doesn't listen on the external interface |
| 04:12 | <valdyn> | travis: purpose = local mail only, try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 04:12 | <lupine> | it should be just bound to localhost |
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| 04:13 | <valdyn> | im not sure if debconf covers which interfaces to bind to |
| 04:14 | <travis> | dc_eximconfig_configtype='local' from the update.conf.conf file, so i guess i'm alright |
| 04:14 | <shaun_nz> | lupine the only other word in there apart from debian is sarge i presume this is the name of debian 3.1? |
| 04:14 | <valdyn> | travis: its ok as long as it will handle local mail only, not that important which interfaces it is binding to |
| 04:14 | <xxxxx> | i'm having problems with my X i went to ~/.xsession-errors and there was this: /etc/kde3/kdm/xsession: line 46: /etc/X11/Xsession no such file or directory . What can i do ? |
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| 04:15 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: install x11-common |
| 04:16 | <lupine> | shaun_nz: yep |
| 04:16 | <lupine> | so you can upgrade to etch if you like or leave it as-is |
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| 04:17 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: thats all ? |
| 04:17 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: maybe |
| 04:18 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: ok i'll try this |
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| 04:18 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: THX!!! |
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| 04:19 | <cico> | I am having a big problem in dist-upgrade of Debian. The big packages like openoffice-core are not downloading even after several "aptitude dist-upgrade" attempts. None of the mirrors succeed. All other packages are downloading. 900 MB of packages have been downloaded successfully. But the big packages with a total of 100 MB is not downloading. |
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| 04:20 | <valdyn> | cico: on which debian release? |
| 04:20 | <valdyn> | cico: run aptitude update again too, the package might have been upgraded again. |
| 04:21 | <cico> | valdyn: I am on Debian Etch. dist-upgrade-ing to Lenny. |
| 04:22 | <valdyn> | !info openoffice-core lenny |
| 04:22 | <cico> | sources.list contain these two lines:- (1) deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free (2) deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 04:22 | <cico> | I have tried replacing ftp.us with ftp.jp, ftp.kr, but nothing works. everytime I have done aptitude update followed by aptitude dist-upgrade but still the big packages never download. |
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| 04:22 | <valdyn> | cico: which package exactly is this? |
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| 04:23 | <cico> | valdyn: all big packages, for example, openoffice-core |
| 04:24 | <cico> | http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main openoffice.org-core 2.2.1-10 |
| 04:24 | <valdyn> | cico: i would try http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 04:24 | <valdyn> | cico: i know there's issues with some debian servers right now, not exactly what it is though |
| 04:24 | <cico> | valdyn: and download all the .deb files manually? |
| 04:24 | <valdyn> | cico: and put into /var/cache/apt/archives/, yes |
| 04:24 | <valdyn> | cico: not all, just go see if that fixes anything |
| 04:25 | <valdyn> | cico: openoffice-core does not exist |
| 04:25 | <cico> | valdyn: yes, that would fix I know because the main problem is downloading of packages, I have downloaded some of them manually, but it is tiresome to download 100s of packages like that |
| 04:25 | <valdyn> | cico: maybe you mean openoffice.org-core |
| 04:25 | <cico> | valdyn: http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main openoffice.org-core 2.2.1-10 |
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| 04:27 | <valdyn> | cico: sure its tiresome, the purpose is debugging, not makeing that your general way to get packages |
| 04:27 | <cico> | valdyn: yes manually downloading does work but how do I make aptitude do it? |
| 04:28 | <valdyn> | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org-core_2.2.1-10_i386.deb works fine |
| 04:28 | <cico> | valdyn: I think aptitude waits for a long time and then times out. |
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| 04:28 | <valdyn> | cico: are you using ftp or http ? |
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| 04:29 | <Eulex> | <cico> http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main openoffice.org-core 2.2.1-10 |
| 04:29 | <valdyn> | yea i noticed |
| 04:30 | <valdyn> | cico: define "manually downloading", what exactly is that? wget? firefox? |
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| 04:31 | <cico> | valdyn: firefox |
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| 04:31 | <valdyn> | cico: maybe there'S a proxy involved. |
| 04:31 | <valdyn> | cico: did you set one in firefox? |
| 04:31 | <cico> | valdyn: yes, there is a proxy server between me and the mirrors. |
| 04:31 | <cico> | valdyn: yes, both for firefox and http_proxy in the shell. |
| 04:32 | <valdyn> | cico: http_proxy="" aptitutde dist-upgrade |
| 04:32 | <valdyn> | cico: http_proxy="" aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 04:41 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: i tryed to install x11-common but it said that i have the newest version so can i reinstall it or sth or i got ti remove it and install it again? will i loose all my data in stored in X (video drivers,...)? |
| 04:46 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: does /etc/X11/Xsession exist? |
| 04:46 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: i think not |
| 04:46 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: umm, why dont you look |
| 04:46 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: i may have deleted it :) |
| 04:47 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: i cant use that vague information, is it there_ |
| 04:47 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: i cant use that vague information, is it there? |
| 04:47 | <valdyn> | !confmiss |
| 04:47 | <dpkg> | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 04:49 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: i gotta restart comp. and look again :D brb |
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| 04:56 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: in /etc/X11/ there is no Xsession |
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| 04:59 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: what now ? |
| 04:59 | <SUPERSLADAK> | hello all what is this unswap ? |
| 04:59 | <SUPERSLADAK> | Debian 4.0 r1 |
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| 05:00 | <SUPERSLADAK> | i have not problem with 4.0.r0 |
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| 05:02 | <cico> | is there anyone from here speaking at foss.in conference? |
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| 05:03 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 05:05 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: so the package i have to reinstal is x11-common and everything will be ok ? and all my date will be gone ? |
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| 05:08 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: no data will be gone |
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| 05:13 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: just to be clear what command i have to use: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install x11-common ??? |
| 05:13 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: yes |
| 05:14 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: ok thx for now :) |
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| 05:26 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: entered that command and i gor: E: Option DPKg::Options::--force-confmiss: Configuration item specifikation must have an =<val> What have i done wrong ? |
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| 05:34 | <souldaly> | salut |
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| 05:40 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: :: is not the same as = |
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| 05:42 | <xxxxx> | valdyn: then i gotta enter this command: apt-get -o DPKg=Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install x11-common |
| 05:43 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: yes |
| 05:43 | <valdyn> | err |
| 05:43 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: use cut and paste. |
| 05:43 | <valdyn> | !confmiss |
| 05:43 | <dpkg> | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 05:43 | <xxxxx> | look there is :: |
| 05:43 | <valdyn> | ::= |
| 05:44 | <xxxxx> | i entered the same shit |
| 05:44 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: why dont you use cut & paste ? |
| 05:45 | <xxxxx> | now i'm in win xp :D |
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| 05:45 | <valdyn> | xxxxx: it works fine, just cut & paste |
| 05:45 | <xxxxx> | ok i'll try that :D |
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| 05:59 | <andrej> | valdyn: now i know what did i do wrong i was working in single-user mode... now i went to normal and it worked !!! thx!!! |
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| 06:12 | <cico> | I was doing dist-upgrade. aptitude was downloading: http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main openoffice.org-core 2.2.1-10 [35.4MB], after 28 MB was downloaded, I lost connection, aptitude has left that package as "connection timed out" and started downloading the remaining packages. Now how can I make aptitude download the remaining part *only* of that package? |
| 06:13 | <cico> | I am doing "aptitude dist-upgrade" from command line, is it possible to make it start downloading the complete 35 MB or only the last 7 MB which it failed to download? |
| 06:13 | <cico> | I mean not the complete 35 MB and only the last 7 MB. |
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| 06:22 | <gsimmons> | cico: aptitude and apt-get will resume from any partially downloaded packages stored within /var/cache/apt/archives/partial. |
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| 06:23 | <cico> | gsimmons: ok |
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| 06:24 | <cusco> | meaning you can just resume the upgrade procedure by downloading ONLY the rest of them packages |
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| 06:55 | <siebertm> | hello there |
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| 06:57 | <siebertm> | i have problem installing mysql-server on etch. invoke-rc script fails to start mysql-server and syslog says mysqladmin does a segfault. does anybody know anything about that behaviour? |
| 06:57 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: hmm, that's not supposed to happen |
| 06:57 | <siebertm> | :) |
| 06:57 | <siebertm> | and now i cant reconfigure, remove, purge delete nothing :( |
| 06:57 | <ifvoid> | do you have any databses already? |
| 06:58 | <cusco> | yea.. it looks rather cruel |
| 06:58 | <ifvoid> | you can't purge it? |
| 06:58 | <ifvoid> | hmm |
| 06:58 | <siebertm> | no. minimal install |
| 06:58 | <ifvoid> | could you try running mysqladmin by hand? |
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| 06:58 | <siebertm> | segfault |
| 06:58 | <ifvoid> | maybe a disk is full? |
| 06:58 | <ifvoid> | are /proc, /dev/, /tmp correctly mounted? |
| 06:58 | <siebertm> | mysqladmin[16548]: segfault at b81eb864 eip b7fc3cc2 esp bf99e1fc error 4 (if that helps) |
| 06:59 | <ifvoid> | could you paste the last part of the output of strace mysqladmin to pastebin.com? |
| 06:59 | <siebertm> | disks are empty, pseudo-fs are ok |
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| 07:00 | <siebertm> | i'll do |
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| 07:01 | <siebertm> | http://pastebin.com/m2b54cfb8 |
| 07:01 | <ifvoid> | hmm, curious |
| 07:02 | <ifvoid> | nothing weird there afaics |
| 07:02 | <cico> | test |
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| 07:02 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: oh, hold on |
| 07:02 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: what kind of machine is it? |
| 07:03 | <siebertm> | amd64 |
| 07:03 | <ifvoid> | 64 bit os? |
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| 07:03 | <siebertm> | uname -a says i686 |
| 07:03 | <siebertm> | or how do i find that out? |
| 07:04 | <Eulex> | siebertm, are you sure that your ram is not broken? |
| 07:04 | <ifvoid> | dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU |
| 07:04 | <siebertm> | the thing is that i have two similar machines (installed earlier) and everything is fine |
| 07:04 | <ifvoid> | hm |
| 07:04 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: that does point to hardware failure then indeed |
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| 07:05 | <ifvoid> | try running memtest86+ |
| 07:05 | <siebertm> | ifvoid: i dont have dpkg-architecture |
| 07:05 | <ifvoid> | to make sure your memory is ok |
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| 07:05 | <siebertm> | its a hosted server ... |
| 07:05 | <ifvoid> | oh, it's in dpkg-dev |
| 07:05 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: oh |
| 07:05 | <ifvoid> | hm |
| 07:05 | <Eulex> | siebertm, uname -a will do |
| 07:05 | <siebertm> | i386 |
| 07:06 | <Eulex> | siebertm, you installed the same version of debian? |
| 07:06 | <siebertm> | they did it :) |
| 07:06 | <siebertm> | but its etch minimal |
| 07:06 | <ifvoid> | well, they obviously did somethign wrong then |
| 07:06 | <ifvoid> | can't you ask them to fix it? |
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| 07:06 | <siebertm> | any idea how to purge mysql-server? |
| 07:07 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server.prerm |
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| 07:07 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: and remoev the calls to mysqladmin |
| 07:08 | <ifvoid> | or dpkg --force-depends --purge mysql-client |
| 07:08 | <ifvoid> | and then dpkg --purge mysql-server |
| 07:09 | <siebertm> | dpkg says mysql-server is not installed |
| 07:09 | <dpkg> | okay, siebertm |
| 07:09 | <Eulex> | dpkg, forget dpkg says mysql-server |
| 07:09 | <dpkg> | i didn't have anything called 'dpkg says mysql-server' to forget, Eulex |
| 07:09 | <ifvoid> | well, whatever your particular evrsion is\ |
| 07:09 | <ifvoid> | probably mysql-server-5.0 or so |
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| 07:09 | <Eulex> | dpkg, forget says mysql-server |
| 07:09 | <dpkg> | Eulex: i forgot says mysql-server |
| 07:09 | <Eulex> | ^^ |
| 07:10 | <siebertm> | ? |
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| 07:13 | <r1Nu> | halloz |
| 07:13 | <ifvoid> | hi |
| 07:13 | <siebertm> | btw, mysql does segfault, too |
| 07:14 | <r1Nu> | how are you guys? |
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| 07:16 | <siebertm> | now i edited the scripts (postinst and prerm), apt-get does not complain but now it says that mysql-server is not installed. but it is :) |
| 07:17 | <siebertm> | ifvoid: so you think its broken ram? |
| 07:18 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: I don't know |
| 07:19 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: I rather suspenct something whent wrong while installing your system |
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| 07:19 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: couldn't you just ask to reinstall ir for you? |
| 07:19 | <ifvoid> | siebertm: well, it's probably mysql-server-.50 or soemthing like that |
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| 07:20 | <siebertm> | yes... i'll just ask them... |
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| 07:23 | <siebertm> | ok then, tank yu guys |
| 07:23 | <siebertm> | thank... |
| 07:23 | <siebertm> | see ya |
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| 07:25 | <Verci[ITA]> | xdcc://Uragano/irc.uragano.org/#tornado/TnD|01/#0025/Barbie.E.La.Magia.Di.Pegaso.2005.iTALIAN.DvDRip.XviD-TND.avi/msg TnD|01 xdcc send |
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| 07:25 | <ifvoid> | barby? |
| 07:25 | <andrej> | my adobe flash player doesent want to go fullscreen does anyone knows what's the problem ? |
| 07:25 | <ifvoid> | andrej: not sure if that is supported on linux |
| 07:26 | <andrej> | i'm playin' in iceweasel |
| 07:26 | <ifvoid> | never seen it working, at least |
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| 07:26 | <andrej> | ifvoid: the button is there ... and works in windows xp ... |
| 07:26 | <andrej> | to bad ... |
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| 07:30 | <andrej> | has anyone try to "fix" full screen mode in adobe flash player in iceweasel? |
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| 07:40 | <illovae> | hello |
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| 07:41 | <skanarchy> | hi ! |
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| 07:45 | <vook> | andrej: whaddya mean "fix" |
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| 07:46 | <andrej> | vook if i push the button for full screen doesen't work :D |
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| 07:46 | <andrej> | vook: works for you ? |
| 07:46 | <vook> | I generally just use xvidtune to change the resolution really quickly |
| 07:47 | <mravljovk> | hi |
| 07:47 | <andrej> | vook: xvidtune for adobe flash player - live stream ????? |
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| 07:48 | <vook> | andrej: sure - it won't be true full screen, but essentially it'll look just fine |
| 07:48 | <Eulex> | andrej, fix something that is closed source? |
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| 07:49 | <vook> | just set up your xorg.conf file to have a few smaller modes, then create a couple of links on your desktop (to xvidtune -prev and xvidtune -next) |
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| 07:50 | <andrej> | Eulex: there must be a problem with iceweasel/debian/kde not player because in xp it works :):) |
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| 07:50 | <andrej> | i dont know i'm just na n00b :D |
| 07:51 | <ifvoid> | andrej: as I told you already, I don;t think flash on linxu supports full screen |
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| 07:51 | <Eulex> | andrej, it's _not_ exactly the same software that is running on windows and linux. |
| 07:51 | <andrej> | its flash... |
| 07:51 | <ifvoid> | andrej: no, it's the flash _player_ |
| 07:51 | <ifvoid> | andrej: which is different on linx and windows |
| 07:52 | <andrej> | ok |
| 07:52 | <andrej> | i'll pray for update ! :D |
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| 07:53 | <vook> | andrej: just set up xvidtune, really - you can then scroll the mouse around to the video so that it takes up the whole screen. |
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| 07:58 | <andrej> | vook: thx for info ... but i must think about it :) |
| 07:58 | <andrej> | cya |
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| 08:15 | <mike> | Hi! I need help. I have installed VirtualBox program, but when I try to execute virtual OS it ask me to "execute '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv start' as root". But there is no such file. Why? |
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| 08:15 | <Guest182> | /msg [xDcC]-[GX]-[0030] XDCC SEND #4 |
| 08:15 | <bzed> | no Guest182 |
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| 08:16 | [~] | fxiny tar xvf solanum.tar.bz2 |
| 08:16 | <Maulkin> | (they're lucky they're only on #debian, or it'd be a kline) |
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| 08:17 | <travis> | whois [xDcC]-[GX]-[0030] |
| 08:17 | <travis> | oops |
| 08:18 | <travis> | i didn't think this was a warez server |
| 08:18 | <Maulkin> | travis: it's not. |
| 08:18 | <bzed> | Maulkin: that can be bad in #debian - enough OFTC staff sits in this channel ;) |
| 08:18 | <Maulkin> | bzed: you'd be suprised how many people do it in #oftc too |
| 08:19 | <bzed> | lol |
| 08:19 | <abrotman> | When ries comes back online and dak runs, won't it have been 2-10 days for almost everything? |
| 08:19 | <Maulkin> | britney may have... issues, yes |
| 08:19 | <bzed> | Maulkin: I guess that's just a dumb implementation of their spam-scripts |
| 08:20 | <abrotman> | may have? have you seen the crap that girl does? |
| 08:20 | <mike> | Is anybody able to help me? |
| 08:20 | <Maulkin> | abrotman: I have my patches in dak. So yes :) |
| 08:21 | <abrotman> | i was just wondering ... i realize some things still have RC bugs, etc .. but i figured that it'd be a huge pile of packages going from sid to lenny |
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| 09:53 | <krisje8> | Hi all, I just installed Debian 4 Testing, and my first tought was: what the hell happened to KDE and GRUB? My mbr was all messed up, and I finally managed to boot windows now, but still, where is KDE (and my beloved Konqueror) ? On an other pc I had Debian 3.1 which upgraded to 4 now and that one still ahs KDE, so I tought this one also would have, but no.. Where can I find a 'proper' install image where I can choose to use grub and kde? |
| 09:54 | <witte> | krisje8: grub and kde are unrelated |
| 09:54 | <witte> | krisje8: kde is not installed by default, but apt-get install kde should work |
| 09:54 | <krisje8> | I know, but they were standard on 3.1 |
| 09:54 | <witte> | krisje8: on a netinstall? |
| 09:54 | <krisje8> | yes |
| 09:54 | <witte> | krisje8: could be, don't know that |
| 09:55 | <krisje8> | with the 3.1 I got both gnome and kde (and grub) |
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| 09:55 | <witte> | krisje8: in any case, if you select "desktop", it gets gnome |
| 09:55 | <krisje8> | and in 3.1 it also got kde |
| 09:55 | <witte> | krisje8: grub should be installed by default though |
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| 09:55 | <krisje8> | i got some sort of lilo |
| 09:55 | <fxiny> | etch cd #2 installs kde |
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| 09:56 | <avtobiff_> | hehe "some sort of lilo" :-) |
| 09:56 | <krisje8> | etch cd 2? I got debian 4 testing netinst |
| 09:56 | <witte> | krisje8: kde is in standard debian, but it does not install automatically |
| 09:56 | <witte> | krisje8: do you really expect that kde fits on a 150 MB disk? |
| 09:56 | <krisje8> | no but it gets it all from the internet |
| 09:56 | <azizan_> | hello |
| 09:57 | <krisje8> | gnome wouldn't fit either |
| 09:57 | <krisje8> | (hi) |
| 09:57 | <azizan_> | where is the default location for the application installed? |
| 09:57 | <witte> | krisje8: well, someone made the choise that kde would not be the default... |
| 09:57 | <avtobiff_> | azizan_, depends. /usr/bin |
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| 09:58 | <krisje8> | and if i do apt-et install kde, i got the whole kde? with konqueror and the games and kpackage and all? |
| 09:58 | <avtobiff> | azizan_, /usr/bin for programs that users can use usually. /usr/sbin for admin-bins /bin and /sbin for essential bins |
| 09:58 | <avtobiff> | !kde |
| 09:58 | <dpkg> | kde is probably a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde> |
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| 09:58 | <krisje8> | !install kde |
| 09:58 | <dpkg> | install kde is probably In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. To install KDE during Debian installation, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt (only possible if KDE packages are actually available, see section 6.3.5.2 of the <installation guide>). |
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| 09:59 | <azizan_> | sorry, i mean the configuration file.. for example, if i installed firefox or something like that, where is the location for its file and pictures |
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| 09:59 | <markjames> | when using the command line, how do I page up? |
| 09:59 | <fxiny> | !install kde |
| 09:59 | <dpkg> | i heard install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. To install KDE during Debian installation, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt (only possible if KDE packages are actually available, see section 6.3.5.2 of the <installation guide>). |
| 09:59 | <avtobiff> | azeem, try the dpkg -l package |
| 09:59 | <avtobiff> | azeem, sorry. that should be dpkg -L package to list its files |
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| 10:00 | <krisje8> | ok, i'll try to install kde soon, but how do i get grub? or at least a lilo with a menu so i can choose? |
| 10:00 | <markjames> | anyone? |
| 10:00 | <avtobiff> | markjames, pgup |
| 10:00 | <avtobiff> | markjames, or shift+pgup |
| 10:00 | <JasonS> | markjames: pgup |
| 10:00 | <markjames> | shift+pgup doesnt work |
| 10:00 | <avtobiff> | markjames, do you use screen or something? |
| 10:00 | <markjames> | pgup gives me a ~ at the prompt |
| 10:00 | <markjames> | avtobiff, I am physically at the machine |
| 10:01 | <markjames> | on a monitor |
| 10:01 | <cusco> | that would depend on your tty woudln't it now? |
| 10:01 | <markjames> | its smoothwall |
| 10:01 | <markjames> | using bash shell |
| 10:02 | <krisje8> | sorry to interrupt, but how do i install grub, or get a lilo with a menu so i can choose what to boot? |
| 10:02 | <krisje8> | !grub |
| 10:02 | <dpkg> | [grub] the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs and XFS since 0.97, but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide see http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or aptitude install grub grub-doc. Also a distributed internet crawler. Ask me about <grub dvorak>. |
| 10:02 | <cusco> | krisje8: perhaps apt-get install |
| 10:03 | <markjames> | anyone? |
| 10:03 | <krisje8> | and it won't conflict with lilo? |
| 10:03 | <witte> | krisje8: why do you think you have lilo? |
| 10:03 | <krisje8> | i have no idea actually |
| 10:04 | <witte> | krisje8: normal debian install gives grub, and i am not even sure if you can choose to install lilo |
| 10:04 | <witte> | that is from a netinstall |
| 10:04 | <krisje8> | i used a testing netinst from yesterday |
| 10:04 | <krisje8> | nothing abnormal about that |
| 10:04 | <witte> | so, you should have gotten a grub install... |
| 10:05 | <krisje8> | but i didn't (and I'm sure because it says lilo while bootingg :) and i needed to edit /etc/lilo.conf to get windows back) |
| 10:05 | <cusco> | you can choose lilo from netinstall yes |
| 10:05 | <krisje8> | i didn't 'choose' it? it just installed it |
| 10:05 | <krisje8> | i was never asked about lilo or grub |
| 10:05 | <krisje8> | just where to install it (mbr) |
| 10:08 | <krisje8> | I don't dislike lilo or anything, but at at the moment it doesn't let me choose which os to boot, and that's kind of annoying |
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| 10:08 | <krisje8> | if I can get a menu in lilo or something like that, that would be ok too |
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| 10:08 | <witte> | krisje8: just install grub, and configure it |
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| 10:09 | <krisje8> | apt-get install grub? |
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| 10:09 | <witte> | krisje8: jes |
| 10:09 | <witte> | yes |
| 10:09 | <krisje8> | and configure how...? /etc/grub.conf or something like that? (I always used a tool called 'Boot' but it isn't in debian anymore...) |
| 10:10 | <cusco> | its in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 10:10 | <witte> | krisje8: normally that should be autoconfigured |
| 10:10 | <cusco> | yes |
| 10:10 | <witte> | krisje8: but you should check it |
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| 10:11 | <krisje8> | ok, thankyou i'll try it (on windows now, so i need to get in linux somehow :| ) |
| 10:11 | <krisje8> | bye all (en bedankt he witte) |
| 10:11 | <witte> | :-) |
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| 10:21 | <Alam_Debian> | DOOM |
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| 10:22 | <JasonS> | and gloom? |
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| 10:24 | <rkos> | ok so |
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| 10:24 | <rkos> | my libfreetype is somehow incompatible with my zlib |
| 10:24 | <rkos> | so what do i do |
| 10:25 | <azeem> | try to quote some errors or so on a pastebin |
| 10:25 | <rkos> | http://pastebin.com/m2d5fc7b |
| 10:26 | <azeem> | rkos: are you running unstable? |
| 10:26 | <rkos> | yes |
| 10:26 | <rkos> | no |
| 10:26 | <rkos> | lenny |
| 10:26 | <rkos> | and some unstable packages i think? |
| 10:27 | <Eulex> | as I said yesterday, make sure that those packages are from the same release of debian... |
| 10:28 | <azeem> | what does dpkg -l zlib1g-dev say? |
| 10:28 | <rkos> | ii zlib1g-dev 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg compression library - development |
| 10:29 | <azeem> | rkos: try "COLUMNS=1000 dpkg -l zlib1g-dev | tail -1" |
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| 10:29 | <rkos> | well i get pretty much the same |
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| 10:30 | <rkos> | just in a different form |
| 10:31 | <azeem> | the interesting part is the version, which got cropped above |
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| 10:31 | <rkos> | oh thats the 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg |
| 10:31 | <rkos> | -6 |
| 10:31 | <azeem> | if it's still not more than that, increase COLUMNS |
| 10:31 | <azeem> | ok |
| 10:31 | <azeem> | try to install -7 from unstable then |
| 10:31 | <rkos> | how do i do that? |
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| 10:32 | <azeem> | 16:23 < rkos> and some unstable packages i think? |
| 10:32 | <azeem> | same way you managed before |
| 10:32 | <riboflavin> | hello |
| 10:32 | <rkos> | hmm yeah there was some command, ill try to fetch it |
| 10:33 | <azeem> | rkos: what does "file /usr/lib/libz.so" say? |
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| 10:34 | <rkos> | symbolic link to libz.so.1.2.3.3 |
| 10:34 | <azeem> | rkos: and what does "file /usr/lib/libz.a" say? |
| 10:35 | <rkos> | current ar archive |
| 10:35 | <azeem> | and libz.so.1.2.3.3? |
| 10:36 | <rkos> | /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
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| 10:36 | <azeem> | rkos: maybe try to reinstall zlib1g-dev first |
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| 10:37 | <rkos> | apt-get -t unstable install zliblg-dev <- i tried that but it didnt find the package |
| 10:38 | <rkos> | so do i try something other than zliblg-dev or what? |
| 10:38 | <blarson> | rkos: It's a one not an L |
| 10:38 | <rkos> | oh |
| 10:38 | <rkos> | ahha |
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| 10:39 | <rkos> | azeem, done, now what? |
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| 10:40 | <azeem> | try again? |
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| 10:40 | <Gryfelhase> | hi. I compile a programm, that wants to run ioctl |
| 10:41 | <Gryfelhase> | to use |
| 10:41 | <Gryfelhase> | how can I detect, if my system uses this (for cdroms) |
| 10:41 | <Gryfelhase> | I'm suing etch |
| 10:41 | <Gryfelhase> | -s |
| 10:41 | <krisje8> | Hi again, I have KDE now and it works ! Thank you! (Oh and I figured out how lilo works :p) |
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| 10:43 | <krisje8> | But I do have an other question; when I shut debian down, It fails to deactivate the lvm partitions... It's not like it messes up my system, I just see Failed, and it shuts down nicely... But is this ok? |
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| 10:49 | <blarson> | krisje8: If root is on lvm, lvm can't be shut down cleanly. |
| 10:49 | <Titanous> | I'm looking to upgrade from Etch to Lenny. I am running in a Xen VPS with a fresh install. The issue is that my provider says that pygrub isn't compatible with debian therefore, I can't upgrade the kernel. How do I prevent apt form upgrading the kernel? Is this possible/ok? |
| 10:50 | <blarson> | krisje8: the status can't be written after the lvm is shut down |
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| 10:54 | <rkos> | azeem, i did configure again but i get the same error |
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| 10:57 | <riboflavin> | i tried to issue command apt-get install xfce4 and for several minutes, it shows errors... is it because my source is not up to date? |
| 10:57 | <riboflavin> | if im not mistaken, it get the source from my DVD |
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| 11:08 | <Titanous> | can anyone help me? |
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| 11:22 | <noflash> | !ask |
| 11:22 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:24 | <asdf> | I have a Problem with my ATI Radeon X1300;I'm runing Debian Etch 4.0; I seearch a Tutorial for fglrx install... Who and how i can made it? |
| 11:24 | <Titanous> | I'm looking to upgrade from Etch to Lenny. I am running in a Xen VPS with a fresh install. The issue is that my provider says that pygrub isn't compatible with debian therefore, I can't upgrade the kernel. How do I prevent apt form upgrading the kernel? Is this possible/ok? |
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| 11:26 | <the-dude> | Titanous: put the kernel package on hold |
| 11:27 | <Titanous> | the-dude, how? |
| 11:28 | <the-dude> | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html 6.12 |
| 11:28 | <Titanous> | thanks |
| 11:29 | <the-dude> | no worries |
| 11:30 | <the-dude> | Titanous: after you put it on hold try a apt-get dist-upgrade -s |
| 11:32 | <riboflavin> | if i want the apt-get to install and get the source from the website, i need to uncomment it at source.list right? |
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| 11:33 | <the-dude> | riboflavin: yeah uncomment it or add a line |
| 11:33 | <riboflavin> | ok thanks |
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| 11:36 | <Titanous> | the-dude, I don't see a xen kernel, kernel or linux-image package in the selections |
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| 11:37 | <the-dude> | Titanous: which selections? |
| 11:38 | <Titanous> | the-dude, dpkg --get-selections |
| 11:38 | <Titanous> | thta's what is says to do |
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| 11:38 | <asdf> | I have a Problem with my ATI Radeon X1300;I'm runing Debian Etch 4.0; I seearch a Tutorial for fglrx install... Who and how i can made it? |
| 11:39 | <the-dude> | are you running a xen domu? |
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| 11:40 | <the-dude> | asdf: try module-assistent |
| 11:40 | <Titanous> | the-dude, not sure, It's a Xen VPS from a VPS provider |
| 11:41 | <the-dude> | what does uname -a say? |
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| 11:42 | <Titanous> | Linux ******.********.com 2.6.18-4-xen-686 #1 SMP Thu May 10 03:24:35 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:43 | <the-dude> | Titanous: oh don't worry about the kernel just upgrade it |
| 11:43 | <asdf> | bash: module-assistent: command not found |
| 11:44 | <Titanous> | the-dude, I was told by my provider that pygrub wouldn't work, and it would break the VPS (not be able to boot) |
| 11:44 | <the-dude> | asdf: apt-get install module-assistant |
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| 11:45 | <the-dude> | Titanous: what does dpkg --get-selections|grep linux say |
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| 11:45 | <Titanous> | libselinux1 install |
| 11:45 | <Titanous> | util-linux install |
| 11:45 | <victor> | hi, is anybody free? I need some help with downloading Debian. |
| 11:45 | <asdf> | apt-get install module-assistent |
| 11:45 | <asdf> | Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig |
| 11:45 | <asdf> | Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig |
| 11:45 | <asdf> | E: Konnte Paket module-assistent nicht finden |
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| 11:46 | <user01> | how do i write to my flash disk i just mounted as root? it wont let me copy as user |
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| 11:46 | <asdf> | not found package |
| 11:46 | <the-dude> | Titanous: dom0(your hoster) is running and providing your kernel so I don't understand why it will break if you upgrade |
| 11:47 | <the-dude> | asdf: it is module-assistant and not module-assistent |
| 11:47 | <Titanous> | the-dude, will it try to upgrade the kernel? |
| 11:47 | <Titanous> | if not, I agree with you |
| 11:47 | <asdf> | ok |
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| 11:48 | <the-dude> | Titanous: dpkg --get-selections didn't show a kernel right ? |
| 11:48 | <asdf> | mean you fglrx Kernel ?? |
| 11:49 | <victor> | Hello, could anyone help me? |
| 11:49 | <the-dude> | Titanous: perhaps paste your output of apt-get dist-upgrade -s to a pastbin or so |
| 11:49 | <victor> | I am a window user and I am considering switching to debian. |
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| 11:50 | <the-dude> | victor: don't consider it just try it :) |
| 11:50 | <victor> | there are just so many images there and I don't know which to download. |
| 11:50 | <witte> | victor: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 11:51 | <the-dude> | victor: just download cd1 and install the base-system, otherwise try the suggestion form witte |
| 11:51 | <witte> | victor: you want the i368 ir the amd64 netinsall of the stable version |
| 11:51 | <Titanous> | the-dude, do I just change all instances of etch in sources.list to lenny? |
| 11:52 | <user01> | i368? missed that release :) |
| 11:52 | <the-dude> | Titanous: depands on what is in ytour sources.list but most likely yes :) |
| 11:52 | <victor> | my laptop is a ibm thinkpad a30. |
| 11:52 | <user01> | thinkpads are good for debian :) |
| 11:52 | <victor> | do you think i368 will be ok for it. |
| 11:53 | <user01> | eh try i386 |
| 11:53 | <user01> | that is better |
| 11:53 | <victor> | cd1, right? |
| 11:53 | <the-dude> | victor: yes |
| 11:53 | <witte> | cd1 or the netinstall, both would be ok |
| 11:53 | <user01> | if you have a good internet connection id do the netinstall |
| 11:53 | <victor> | I am in China. |
| 11:54 | <victor> | connection speed is 1.5m cable. |
| 11:54 | <user01> | victor, yes they have pretty good connections there |
| 11:54 | <user01> | then do net install |
| 11:54 | <user01> | victor, or download all the cds to share with your friends |
| 11:55 | <user01> | :) |
| 11:55 | <user01> | with a connection |
| 11:55 | <victor> | lol. |
| 11:55 | <user01> | *without |
| 11:56 | <Titanous> | the-dude, http://pastebin.com/d46227d3c no kernel, so no problems, correct? |
| 11:56 | <victor> | Thank you, guys. |
| 11:56 | <victor> | Blessings to you! |
| 11:57 | <the-dude> | Titanous: no don't see any problems |
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| 11:57 | <Titanous> | the-dude, thanks alot |
| 11:58 | <the-dude> | Titanous: does it have one or 2 nics ? |
| 11:58 | <Titanous> | the-dude, not sure, I have a bunch of IPs, but I assume they are all on the same interface |
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| 11:58 | <user01> | victor, this might be helpful: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Debian |
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| 12:00 | <the-dude> | Titanous: ok |
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| 12:02 | <user01> | do i have to redo permissions for my /media/usbflash folders for the user to read and write to it? |
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| 12:03 | <Eulex> | user01, what fs is on it? |
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| 12:03 | <user01> | Eulex, this disk is just vfat |
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| 12:04 | <user01> | Eulex, w32 |
| 12:04 | <Eulex> | user01, vfat doesn't store owners. |
| 12:04 | <Eulex> | !vfatrw |
| 12:04 | <dpkg> | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 12:05 | <Eulex> | user01, instead, you set what group and user should own the files on it when you mount it, per the instructions above |
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| 12:05 | <user01> | Eulex, is there a wheel group like in openbsd? |
| 12:05 | <Eulex> | no. |
| 12:06 | <Eulex> | what do you want to do? |
| 12:06 | <rkos> | any idea how to set up tv on debian? |
| 12:06 | <user01> | Eulex, do you use sudo? |
| 12:06 | <rkos> | been looking around on google but haven't found any help |
| 12:06 | <user01> | Eulex, ive just been suing |
| 12:06 | <Eulex> | yes? but how is that related to your problem? |
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| 12:07 | <user01> | Eulex, its a second question |
| 12:07 | <victor> | hi, another question. |
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| 12:07 | <user01> | victor, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Debian |
| 12:07 | <victor> | Can debian support chinese character displaying? |
| 12:07 | <user01> | victor, for install? |
| 12:08 | <victor> | Because I use Chinese often. |
| 12:08 | <victor> | no. |
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| 12:08 | <victor> | after install. |
| 12:08 | <user01> | victor, yes it can |
| 12:08 | <victor> | wow. |
| 12:08 | <victor> | great. |
| 12:08 | <user01> | victor, at least i know it does arabic |
| 12:08 | <user01> | so i wouldnt doubt chinese |
| 12:09 | <victor> | How do copy the url in the chatbox? |
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| 12:10 | <user01> | victor, http://isis.poly.edu/~qiming/chinese-debian-mini-howto.html |
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| 12:10 | <victor> | thank you so much. |
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| 12:11 | <user01> | victor, no problem i havent tried it because i havent needed chinese characters, but it looks straightforward |
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| 12:14 | <user01> | Eulex, how do i make it so whatever user mounts the disk, they own it in fstab? |
| 12:14 | <user01> | Eulex, or plugs it in i should say? |
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| 12:15 | <Eulex> | user01, I don't know whether that's possible |
| 12:15 | <Eulex> | and well, how do you know 'which user' plugged it in? |
| 12:15 | <cahoot> | some udev rule editing? |
| 12:17 | <user01> | Eulex, i have it as umask=002 and it still says i dont have permission to write |
| 12:18 | <user01> | Eulex, never mind wrong device |
| 12:18 | <Eulex> | user01, and the owner group and user of the files are? |
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| 12:21 | <user01> | Eulex, this look alright? |
| 12:21 | <user01> | Eulex, /dev/sda1 /media/usbflash auto rw,user,noauto,umask=002 0 0 |
| 12:22 | <Eulex> | you need to set the owning group and user too. I'd suggest creating a group of all users you want to allow to write to it and making it own the files. |
| 12:22 | <marsu> | Hello... I know I'm not really in the right place to ask that, but if just one of you know the answer, I'd be stupid not to give it a try... Here's my "problem" : I'm using the software SAS at the university, and I have some work to do at home with it.. They're giving us student licenses, though... The software doesn't run on Linux ! It's available, it exists, but they don't have it... I can't achieve to find it on the internet though... |
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| 12:23 | <Eulex> | marsu, I can't seem to find a question in that long statement of yours |
| 12:24 | <cahoot> | clearly implied though |
| 12:24 | <marsu> | Eulex: easy enough : "do you know of a way to download SAS for Linux" ? I've got the license, not the program... :D |
| 12:24 | <rkos> | anyone here know anything about DVB? |
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| 12:24 | <witte> | marsu: send an email to sas directly, maybe they can help |
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| 12:25 | <marsu> | witte: do you think they'd send a CD to whoever asks them ? O_o |
| 12:26 | <witte> | marsu: you can't do anything without a license... |
| 12:26 | <witte> | marsu: alternatively, contact the sysadmins at your university |
| 12:27 | <marsu> | witte: I already did... I'm not sure he got what "linux" actually meant |
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| 12:27 | <witte> | marsu: a sysadmin at a university? I do not say they have to use it, but being ignorant of linux is strange |
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| 12:28 | <witte> | marsu: in any case, I do not think there is a "legal" way to get it |
| 12:29 | <witte> | that is without paying :-) |
| 12:29 | <marsu> | witte: I hope some of them do, but I went to ask this one with my teacher, and it's likely he's unable to help |
| 12:30 | <rkos> | how do i use dvb? anyone here know? |
| 12:30 | <marsu> | witte: I don't really care whether it's legal or not... If I have to download à cracked version to use it, I don't really care.. I have a license to use it, though if I use it without 'actually' telling it the number, I'm not gonna scream at the idea |
| 12:31 | <user01> | Eulex, /dev/sda1 /media/usbflash auto defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,umask=002 0 0 |
| 12:31 | <witte> | marsu: :-), well, good luck with that |
| 12:31 | <user01> | Eulex, not working |
| 12:31 | <Eulex> | user01, if the user has uid 1000 and gid 1000: sure. |
| 12:31 | <Eulex> | user01, define 'not working' |
| 12:31 | <user01> | Eulex, yep they do |
| 12:31 | <user01> | Eulex, not writing . . . |
| 12:32 | <Eulex> | user01, several users can't have the same uid. they can be in the same group, though. |
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| 12:32 | <Eulex> | user01, you put all users you want to be able to write into the group with gid 1000? |
| 12:33 | <user01> | Eulex, that is the uid of this user, user01 |
| 12:33 | <Eulex> | right, commonly the first user added to the system. |
| 12:33 | <Eulex> | but you said that you had several users? |
| 12:34 | <user01> | yes but . . . right now im trying to just get it to write for me |
| 12:34 | <Eulex> | oh. I think you missed a very important bit. |
| 12:34 | <Eulex> | !vfatrw |
| 12:34 | <dpkg> | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 12:34 | <user01> | Eulex, i did the eject command and put it back in and the same |
| 12:34 | <marsu> | witte: I may have found it on a chinese website... >_< |
| 12:35 | <Eulex> | oh, appears that you do not need to specify 'rw' for vfat partitions. |
| 12:35 | <Eulex> | user01, what are the permissions and owners of the files on the partition now? |
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| 12:36 | <marsu> | witte: missed -_- |
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| 12:37 | <user01> | Eulex, theyre all root |
| 12:37 | <Eulex> | user01, then you did something wrong. how are you mounting it? |
| 12:37 | <user01> | su |
| 12:38 | <Eulex> | su doesn't mount |
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| 12:38 | <user01> | and then mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usbflash |
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| 12:39 | <Eulex> | try just mount /media/usbflash |
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| 12:42 | <user01> | Eulex, thats working now thanks |
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| 12:42 | <user01> | Eulex, what was wrong with the other way? |
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| 12:43 | <user01> | Eulex, it was circumventing the fstab? |
| 12:43 | <Eulex> | user01, the way you did it, you passed custom options, making it ignore what was in fstab. |
| 12:43 | <Eulex> | yes. |
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| 12:44 | <user01> | Eulex, ok so i could just keep the same user and then create a group with the system users . . . and change the gid |
| 12:45 | <Eulex> | user01, yes. I think there's a subtle difference between owning user and owning group, though. I have a vague memory that being in an owning group doesn't give you rights to delete. |
| 12:45 | <user01> | so what if another user that doesnt have root access wants to mount their drive? |
| 12:46 | <Eulex> | user01, if you setup your fstab so they're allowed to, they can just mount it. |
| 12:46 | <user01> | Eulex, but if the group has write permission why not? |
| 12:46 | <Eulex> | user01, I don't know. but check yourself, it's just a vague memory and it was a long time ago. |
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| 12:49 | <user01> | Eulex, so if i plug in another usb disk, say it is ext2 formatted . . . will it be identitfied as sda2 or sda1? |
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| 12:50 | <Eulex> | user01, sda2 and sda1 are partition device names. sda, sdb, sdc etc are disk device names. |
| 12:50 | <victor> | hi, guys, I'm back. |
| 12:50 | <jae> | Having had to replace my gfx card... what's the current correct way to auto-config X? |
| 12:50 | <victor> | I have looked up Debian live. |
| 12:50 | <Eulex> | jae, you don't autoconfig it, you: |
| 12:50 | <Eulex> | !drxx jae |
| 12:50 | <dpkg> | jae: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 12:50 | <user01> | Eulex, because im not sure how labels are assigned in /dev |
| 12:51 | <Eulex> | user01, next free one is used. |
| 12:51 | <victor> | How does debian live work? |
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| 12:51 | <victor> | I want to try it. |
| 12:51 | <jae> | I did that, thinking it was the right way, but I don't get a correct config file :( |
| 12:51 | <victor> | so I can see if is debian is suitable for me. |
| 12:52 | <user01> | Eulex, i have a usb modem plugged in, how do i get that dev name? |
| 12:52 | <jae> | "Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen"" |
| 12:52 | <victor> | Hello, the dude. |
| 12:52 | <Eulex> | eh. odd. |
| 12:52 | <Eulex> | jae, did you run it till the end and not cancel it while it was running? |
| 12:53 | <Eulex> | user01, take a look at your dmesg |
| 12:53 | <jae> | I ran it til the end... *sigh* |
| 12:53 | <witte> | victor: burn it on a cdrom, and boot from it |
| 12:53 | <victor> | Hello, user 01. |
| 12:54 | <Eulex> | you could always fix up the file, or run dpkg-reconfigure again and see if it... works this time :/ |
| 12:54 | <victor> | Do I download debian live img or iso? |
| 12:54 | <witte> | the iso, and you burn it on a cdr |
| 12:54 | <user01> | victor, iso |
| 12:55 | <victor> | Can I use debian live from a usb stick? |
| 12:55 | [~] | jae is stupid |
| 12:55 | <victor> | I don't have a cd burner. |
| 12:55 | <jae> | I found the problem: I don't have the driver package installed :P |
| 12:55 | <witte> | victor: that should be possible if your system allows you to boot from usb |
| 12:56 | <victor> | so in that case which should choose, iso or img? |
| 12:56 | <jae> | I wondered why it only offered "ati" and "fglrx"... deleted the old file, thinking it might take them from there somehow |
| 12:56 | <jae> | Still only ati and fglrx, so... ah, yes, need that rage driver :P |
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| 12:56 | <victor> | so in that case which one should i choose, img or iso? |
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| 12:57 | <witte> | victor: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 12:57 | <jae> | Hmm, but... isn't that *in* the -ati package? |
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| 12:57 | <user01> | victor, #debian-live |
| 12:57 | <fxiny> | victor: no cd burner ? you just want to see it ? install qemu and boot debian live from it |
| 12:58 | <jae> | Gah |
| 12:58 | <victor> | debian live channel is empty. |
| 12:58 | <Eulex> | try it on freenode |
| 12:58 | <victor> | nobody is there. |
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| 12:58 | <witte> | fxiny: he is still on windows, and wants to see if he likes debian |
| 12:58 | <victor> | Yeah. |
| 12:58 | <victor> | that's it. |
| 12:58 | <fxiny> | witte: oh : just come in :) |
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| 12:59 | <fxiny> | witte: if ? |
| 12:59 | <panthera> | victor: i really don't think it is empty. |
| 12:59 | <fxiny> | victor: everyone *love* debian : no need to try it ;) |
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| 13:00 | <fxiny> | wgt4-if-x ? |
| 13:00 | <fxiny> | s/wgt4-if-x/wt4-if-x |
| 13:01 | <user01> | Eulex, if i add a new group should i always add root to it? |
| 13:01 | <Eulex> | user01, no, why? |
| 13:01 | <Eulex> | user01, root is root. root has full permissions no matter what. |
| 13:02 | <victor> | oh, no, it's not empty. |
| 13:02 | <user01> | Eulex, mmm to give the root user |
| 13:02 | <victor> | sorry. |
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| 13:02 | <victor> | Thank you all. |
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| 13:03 | <fxiny> | ahhh SAS ? i've missed it ! |
| 13:03 | <user01> | Eulex, all i need to do is install sudo and then add my user to the group, right? |
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| 13:04 | <Eulex> | user01, what group? |
| 13:05 | <user01> | Eulex, there is a sudo group |
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| 13:07 | <jae> | Ah, back in business :) |
| 13:07 | <Eulex> | user01, I wouldn't recommend that. add the user(s) or group(s) through sudoers instead. |
| 13:07 | <jae> | I have no idea what dpkg-reconfigure thinks it *is* doing, but that xorg.conf it creates makes no real sense |
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| 13:08 | <jae> | Bug report? If I know what to report other than "it completely screws up" |
| 13:08 | <fxiny> | hmmm : look at this ftsab for a iomeaga: /dev/sda4 /media/zip250 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 , a normal user can mount it |
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| 13:08 | <Eulex> | jae, never seen it create invalid configs. did you install the drivers? |
| 13:08 | <fxiny> | i don't have a flash |
| 13:08 | <jae> | Yup |
| 13:09 | <Eulex> | jae, are you on etch? |
| 13:09 | <fxiny> | a normal user mount it just by : mount /media/zip250 |
| 13:09 | <jae> | I just had to copy a lot of stuff from my old config |
| 13:09 | <jae> | Nopes, unstable, but X is not fully up-to-date, maybe that's the prob |
| 13:09 | <fxiny> | ls /media/zip250 |
| 13:09 | <fxiny> | ops |
| 13:09 | <Eulex> | yeah, update it firstly. also: |
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| 13:09 | <Eulex> | !btssmite jae |
| 13:09 | [~] | dpkg beats jae around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if jae is running Unstable |
| 13:10 | <jae> | But even not fully up-to-date, it shouldn't mess up like that |
| 13:10 | <Eulex> | you never know with unstable. |
| 13:10 | <jae> | I was stuck in fglrx hell for a bit |
| 13:10 | <fxiny> | i have this thing since woody and i remember i discovered iomega love for sda4 when checking a redhat , they had iomega drivers |
| 13:11 | <jae> | Oh, but "should I write a default Files section" and none is in xorg.conf? How do you even manage that w/o trying? |
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| 13:11 | <fxiny> | then they appeared on the official kernels later |
| 13:12 | [~] | jae is just so glad someone thinks he needs to be smote with the BTS :P |
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| 13:12 | <Eulex> | jae, xorg doesn't need a file section anymore, afaik. |
| 13:13 | <fxiny> | obviously same line on for a usb/sda1 cannot mount it , so i wonder why a user can mount on sda4 |
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| 13:13 | <Tuplad> | hai2u |
| 13:14 | <Tuplad> | I was planning to reinstall Debian because I pretty much f*d up, but I was thinking: I might switch to an other Distro ? I was thinking about Fedora 8 ... I'm a real newbie :p using linux for like 2-3 months |
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| 13:15 | <witte> | Tuplad: you are in #debian, nobody will advice you to go to another distro ;-) |
| 13:16 | <fxiny> | fetora ? |
| 13:16 | <fxiny> | hahahahahaahah |
| 13:16 | <flub> | Tuplad: explore the world, it's good for everyone |
| 13:16 | <flub> | witte: sorry, couldn't resist... |
| 13:16 | <fxiny> | i can laugh at will about fetora cause i really respect redhat |
| 13:17 | <Tuplad> | :) |
| 13:17 | <fxiny> | but i do not run it :P |
| 13:17 | <Tuplad> | witte: fair enough |
| 13:17 | <witte> | Tuplad: you can try fedora, but debian is better, so you will come back :P |
| 13:17 | <Tuplad> | in what aspect ? |
| 13:18 | <Tuplad> | I was actually searching for a site that compares distros and stuff |
| 13:18 | <witte> | Tuplad: debian packaging is really superior |
| 13:18 | <witte> | Tuplad: and debian is more stable |
| 13:18 | [~] | jae is so glad he knows how to configure X manually too... |
| 13:18 | <fxiny> | are you after the new default sound daemon ? |
| 13:18 | <Tuplad> | in what way ? simplicity or amount of packages |
| 13:18 | <cahoot> | Tuplad: on you yourself can be a judge on the matter |
| 13:18 | <flub> | debian supports upgrades between releases too |
| 13:19 | <cahoot> | s/on/only/ |
| 13:19 | <Tuplad> | flub: what's that ? :x |
| 13:19 | <witte> | Tuplad: I think both |
| 13:19 | <Tuplad> | cahoot: yes indeed, but I'd like to know what I can expect from a distro before I try it out |
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| 13:19 | <cahoot> | idem |
| 13:19 | <Eulex> | Tuplad, you don't need to reinstall when debian releases a new stable. |
| 13:19 | <Tuplad> | cahoot: because Slackware and FreeBSD did not went well as a first distro ^^ |
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| 13:19 | <flub> | Tuplad: if RH releases fedora 9 they'll recommend you re-install. that's just ugly |
| 13:19 | <Tuplad> | Eulex: oooh, yea that is DARN nice! |
| 13:19 | <Eulex> | Tuplad, haha, I can believe that |
| 13:20 | <Tuplad> | Eulex: I couldn't even get X to work |
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| 13:20 | <fxiny> | freebsd is better then redhat |
| 13:20 | <witte> | Tuplad: fedora is also not that bad, I ran that before I ran debian, and I only migrated because a colleague told me about debian |
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| 13:20 | <witte> | Tuplad: and now i use debian for +/- 4 years |
| 13:21 | <fxiny> | yeahh redhat does its own things |
| 13:21 | <fxiny> | and shares |
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| 13:21 | <fxiny> | that's why i respect it . but i do not like it |
| 13:21 | <Tuplad> | my debian is just so bad :( I got the 700mb iso which has kde, installed it, switched to Gnome, removed a lot of packages manually and added a lot my self, then went from stable to sid then to lenny, so I'm kinda looking for new meat, suggestions and advices |
| 13:21 | <Tuplad> | fxiny: yeah, also a turn off for me is the ogg/mp3 thingie they have |
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| 13:22 | <jae> | Tuplad: what ogg/mp3 thingie? |
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| 13:24 | <Tuplad> | jae: yea, mp3 is not implented by default, you gotta download codecs, they prefer ogg more |
| 13:24 | <fxiny> | Tuplad: honestly i don0t know too much about what redhat does today . in the past redhat gave things , i don't forget it gave away buggy relases too like the zero ones |
| 13:24 | <cahoot> | damn oss junkies |
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| 13:25 | <fxiny> | 7.0 still burns my a* |
| 13:25 | <fxiny> | ;) |
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| 13:25 | <Tuplad> | :o |
| 13:25 | <Eulex> | Tuplad, downgrading is not supported. |
| 13:26 | <user01> | Eulex, not sure how to setup user for sudo . . . ex: peter, %operator ALL= /sbin/, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/apps/check.pl |
| 13:26 | <fxiny> | back then i did not have assistance for installing potato so i had a go with redhat and freebsd : freebsd was much better |
| 13:26 | <Tuplad> | Eulex: yeah, I had to figure that out the hard way >_> |
| 13:26 | <jae> | Tuplad: oh, I *like* that... only ogg here anyway :) |
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| 13:26 | <user01> | Eulex, why does sbin have a / after it and the other directory doesnt? |
| 13:26 | <Tuplad> | jae: oh, ok :D |
| 13:27 | <Eulex> | user01, emh... the one who typed that typed it that way? |
| 13:27 | <jae> | mp3 is patented anyway, and those are enforced/enforceable in the US (decoders are patented too, actually) |
| 13:27 | <user01> | Eulex, it says Notice how the trailing slash (/) is required to specify a directory location |
| 13:28 | <user01> | Eulex, but /usr/sbin is one too |
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| 13:28 | <Golfgeo> | Hi all |
| 13:29 | <Eulex> | user01, might be a mistake. |
| 13:30 | <Golfgeo> | had a harddrive crap out on me today, can access some partitions, but others are to degraded to fsck. I know I can use dd_rescue but are there other opstion? |
| 13:31 | <user01> | Eulex, anyway if i do user01 ALL=(ALL) ALL that just makes the user the equilvalent of root right? |
| 13:31 | <fxiny> | very bad |
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| 13:33 | <Eulex> | user01, well yes, when he uses sudo. and he will need to input his password when he does so. |
| 13:33 | <Golfgeo> | btw for the moment I only need to recover one disk, so my plan is to tackle that one first |
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| 13:48 | <Tuplad> | so |
| 13:48 | <Tuplad> | switching to Fedora is not recommended ? |
| 13:49 | <Tuplad> | just stick with Debian |
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| 14:03 | <amphi> | Tuplad: what's fedora going to do for you (apart from raise your blood pressure ;) ? |
| 14:03 | <avu> | start a fancy X server just for my boot messages |
| 14:04 | <avu> | gotta love that! |
| 14:04 | <Tuplad> | amphi: no idea :p |
| 14:05 | <amphi> | Tuplad: maybe if you have hypotension ;) |
| 14:05 | <Tuplad> | :p |
| 14:05 | <fxiny> | heheeh |
| 14:05 | <fxiny> | pulse(radio) it up |
| 14:06 | <Tuplad> | Debian isn't pretty enough for me I guess |
| 14:06 | <sooperkuh> | on the subject of hypotension: Is there any news on the recovery of ftp-master, or is she going to be ill for a long time? |
| 14:06 | <amphi> | Tuplad: you can make it as hideous as you like ;) |
| 14:06 | <Tuplad> | amphi: I couldn't get splashy to work *cry* |
| 14:07 | <amphi> | Tuplad: boot-splash? how often do you boot? |
| 14:07 | <amphi> | Tuplad: also, the boot messages can be _useful_ |
| 14:07 | <Tuplad> | amphi: I boot ALOT |
| 14:07 | <amphi> | Tuplad: why? |
| 14:07 | [~] | fxiny sings for Tuplad "pretty vacant" : ohhhh so pretty ... |
| 14:07 | <amphi> | heh |
| 14:07 | <Tuplad> | amphi: bot atleast like 5 times a day |
| 14:07 | <Tuplad> | I boot* |
| 14:08 | <amphi> | Tuplad: wtf? to coin a phrase |
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| 14:08 | <Tuplad> | :| |
| 14:08 | <Tuplad> | like |
| 14:09 | <Tuplad> | atleast once a day hehe, I have to start it up ye know |
| 14:09 | <Tuplad> | then it might crash or something, and I don't know how to handle crashes yet, so I just reboot |
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| 14:09 | <Tuplad> | or if like, Opera or Iceweasel start acting up and won't start for an unknown reason, reboot |
| 14:09 | <Maulkin> | Tuplad: control + alt + backspace. |
| 14:10 | <Maulkin> | Try that before rebooting |
| 14:10 | <Tuplad> | what for ? :) |
| 14:10 | <fxiny> | opera ? icewilly ? all works fine here |
| 14:10 | <Maulkin> | It restarts your X server |
| 14:10 | <Tuplad> | aha |
| 14:10 | <Tuplad> | I just did it, and nothing happened |
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| 14:10 | <Maulkin> | sooperkuh: it's underway, no eta for arrival yet |
| 14:11 | <amphi> | !reboot |
| 14:11 | <dpkg> | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 14:11 | <sooperkuh> | thx maulkin ... |
| 14:11 | <Tuplad> | amphi: give me a break :D |
| 14:11 | <amphi> | !qotd2 |
| 14:11 | <dpkg> | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 14:11 | <sooperkuh> | must suffer from a severe case of apt-get-itis, if i miss ftp-master after a few times downtime ; ) |
| 14:12 | <Maulkin> | It is right though. You very rarely need to reboot |
| 14:12 | <fxiny> | ohh i like that "apt-get-itis" :) |
| 14:13 | <fxiny> | as the french say : i am "aptitudinaire" |
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| 14:13 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: *I* need to reboot NOW, because for an unknown reason Opera just closed and it won't start again, checked processes it's not there |
| 14:13 | <user01> | how do i allow a user to mount a flashdisk with root permission? |
| 14:13 | <Maulkin> | Tuplad: what do you get when you run it from a terminal? |
| 14:13 | <sooperkuh> | hehe ... maybe I should switch to constantly rebooting in the meantime ; ) |
| 14:13 | <user01> | without |
| 14:13 | <Maulkin> | Did ctrl+alt+backspace work? |
| 14:14 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: it's Russian but I'll try to translate: Error segmenting |
| 14:14 | <Tuplad> | or something like that ;) |
| 14:14 | <Maulkin> | (oh and I should point out that we can't support opera. It can do random things, and as it's closed source, we can't fix it) |
| 14:14 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: no |
| 14:14 | <Maulkin> | Ahh, Segmentation error. |
| 14:14 | <Maulkin> | Is it only opera that does that? |
| 14:14 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: o wait, backspace, not spacebar >_< |
| 14:14 | <fxiny> | user01: with root permissions ? isn't rw enough ? |
| 14:14 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: had it with epiphany and iceweasel too, before |
| 14:14 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: had it with rhythmbox, exaile, amarok |
| 14:15 | <Maulkin> | Tuplad: right, this sounds like your ram is broken |
| 14:15 | <Tuplad> | I'll throw this trash out of the window somewhen ;) and get a good computer |
| 14:15 | <Maulkin> | Tuplad: go to http://www.memtest86.com/, download the CD, and boot from it |
| 14:15 | <Maulkin> | Run all the tests and that will tell you. |
| 14:15 | <Tuplad> | oh, I remember that program :o |
| 14:15 | <Tuplad> | will def. do it |
| 14:16 | <Maulkin> | If not that, it could be another part of the system, but most likely ram |
| 14:16 | <Tuplad> | Download - Linux Memtest86 v3.3 Source and binary Package ? |
| 14:16 | <sooperkuh> | I think http://www.memtest.org/ is better |
| 14:16 | <user01> | fxiny, meant how to set it up so that a user could mount their disk without root permission |
| 14:16 | <Maulkin> | Tuplad: Iso images |
| 14:16 | <Maulkin> | or http://www.memtest.org/ |
| 14:17 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: ah, I found it :) |
| 14:17 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: Download - Pre-Compiled Bootable ISO (.gz) do I need to decompress it first ? |
| 14:17 | <Maulkin> | Probably |
| 14:18 | <Tuplad> | ah, was just making sure |
| 14:18 | <fxiny> | user01: using sudo ? run visudo and add something like /usr/bin/mount , man sudo |
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| 14:18 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: I'll do it today ;) thanks for the wisdom |
| 14:18 | <valdyn> | or just give out the root password directly |
| 14:18 | <valdyn> | not like that makes a difference |
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| 14:19 | <user01> | is it ok to just do umount /media/xxxx |
| 14:19 | <valdyn> | or make root passwordless ( no, im not serious, all those suggstions are evil ) |
| 14:19 | <user01> | or do i need to do eject too? |
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| 14:19 | <fxiny> | user01: i don't use sudo but i remember there is a NOPASSWD option too |
| 14:20 | <Tuplad> | Maulkin: hmmm, tried ctrl alt backspace, opera still wont start |
| 14:20 | <valdyn> | fxiny: that's such a horribly evil suggestion |
| 14:20 | <user01> | fxiny, yep . . . |
| 14:20 | <fxiny> | valdyn: :) |
| 14:20 | <Maulkin> | Tuplad: still sounds like ram then |
| 14:20 | <valdyn> | user01: seriously, making root passwordless is just as safe |
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| 14:20 | <user01> | fxiny, maybe i could just put it on the root line then people could just run as root |
| 14:20 | <Tuplad> | alright |
| 14:20 | <fxiny> | valdyn: i'll tell him to run a vserver like i do :) |
| 14:20 | <Tuplad> | thanks for the wisdom, I'm out now ;) |
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| 14:21 | <user01> | valdyn, i think windows was like that at one time |
| 14:22 | <valdyn> | user01: it also was not a multi user os at some point. |
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| 14:23 | <user01> | is it safe to remove usbdisk after only umount or do you also have to do eject? |
| 14:23 | <fxiny> | valdyn: i was blabbing later on about iomega/sda4 usb zip : a user can mount it |
| 14:23 | <valdyn> | user01: just unmount |
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| 14:23 | <Eulex> | user01, you do not need to mess with sudo to enable users to mount stuff |
| 14:23 | <valdyn> | fxiny: that doesnt mean that a user should have access to mount running with root permissions |
| 14:23 | <tarik> | hi |
| 14:24 | <user01> | Eulex, how will they be able to mount then? |
| 14:24 | <Eulex> | user01, just add the 'user' option to the partition in fstab. |
| 14:25 | <valdyn> | and a mask or noexec or whatever will disable mounting a filesystem with active suid root binaries |
| 14:25 | <fxiny> | valdyn: i know , but somehow those iomega drivers which i compiled on a a redhat box are ok |
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| 14:25 | <user01> | Eulex, does it matter in the order? mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/usbflash |
| 14:26 | <valdyn> | user01: why dont you use an automounter? |
| 14:26 | <Eulex> | user01, no. what command are you running? |
| 14:26 | <valdyn> | user01: those are safe for such things, and made for such things... |
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| 14:27 | <user01> | Eulex, ok there it goes now |
| 14:27 | <fxiny> | i don't use it anymore but i keep fstab entries on this woody2sarge2etch box . i've checked again before . fstab > /dev/sda4 /media/zip250 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 14:27 | <Xenguy> | Hi - my brain went on vacation, and I'm trying to get output on my hard drive specs without having to power down. Is there a command-line way? |
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| 14:28 | <Eulex> | Xenguy, lspci? |
| 14:28 | <witte> | Xenguy: hdparm or smartmontools |
| 14:28 | <fxiny> | as a user i can mount the usb just by running : mount /media/zip250 |
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| 14:28 | <Eulex> | Xenguy, think you misunderstood him |
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| 14:28 | <valdyn> | Xenguy: man hdparm |
| 14:29 | <Xenguy> | Eulex: lspci gave me output, but I was having trouble identifying the hard drive line |
| 14:29 | <user01> | Eulex, /dev/sda1 /media/usbflash auto defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,umask=002 |
| 14:29 | <fxiny> | no idea why iomega still use sda4 |
| 14:29 | <user01> | Eulex, that works |
| 14:29 | <Xenguy> | witte: thanks, I'll have a look |
| 14:29 | <Eulex> | Xenguy, lshw? free? cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 14:29 | <Eulex> | ah, no sorry |
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| 14:29 | <Eulex> | I read 'hardware specs'. silly me. |
| 14:30 | <Xenguy> | Eulex: HD brand/model/etc. |
| 14:30 | <Xenguy> | ahh |
| 14:30 | <sooperkuh> | hdparm -i does it for me |
| 14:30 | <Xenguy> | sooperkuh: tx, I'll try |
| 14:31 | <Guest207> | how I can install a Live CD To HDD of NEMESIS KNOPPIX??? |
| 14:31 | <fxiny> | user01: if you want to mount as root giving user(1000) permisions run as root : mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/point -o defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 |
| 14:31 | <valdyn> | Guest207: wrong channel. |
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| 14:32 | <Eulex> | !knoppix |
| 14:32 | <dpkg> | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:33 | <user01> | weird that if another user is in the flash directory you cant unmount it |
| 14:33 | <Guest207> | SORRY,SORRY |
| 14:34 | <fxiny> | of course : device busy |
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| 14:36 | <sooperkuh> | user01: try wall "all out of my usb stick" ; ) |
| 14:36 | <Xenguy> | a |
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| 14:38 | <user01> | blah ok i just put in another disk and it is calling it sda like the last one |
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| 14:41 | <vins> | hi, is there anyone here who could help me to solve a problem with x servor configuration ? |
| 14:41 | <vins> | on a debian |
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| 14:42 | <amphi> | !drxx vins |
| 14:42 | <dpkg> | vins: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 14:42 | <Eulex> | vins, you can also consider reading the logs. |
| 14:43 | <vins> | thank you for help ! (I'm french so sorry for language errors) |
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| 14:44 | <vins> | My x servor is configured but when I've developped a SDL basic code and execute it, I obtain lags |
| 14:44 | <vins> | I try with the game supertux and I've got theses lags too |
| 14:44 | <Eulex> | vins, what Xorg driver are you using? |
| 14:45 | <vins> | nvidia drivers for my quadro 1600M |
| 14:45 | <Eulex> | the proprietary ones? |
| 14:46 | <vins> | euh yes I think, I've found it on the nvidia website |
| 14:46 | <Eulex> | so you have 3d acceleration? |
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| 14:47 | <vins> | I've not tried to launch 3d programs |
| 14:48 | <Eulex> | vins, glxinfo|grep direct |
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| 14:48 | <vins> | command not found |
| 14:48 | <vins> | :( |
| 14:49 | <user01> | ok how do i distinguish between two different flash disks in fstab if linux assigns them both /dev/sda ? |
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| 14:49 | <Eulex> | user01, it doesn't. /dev/sda is _one_ disk. |
| 14:49 | <user01> | can i add two lines for sda1? |
| 14:49 | <witte> | user01: you should look at udev |
| 14:50 | <lupine_85> | you can have an extended partition, which can hold logical partitions |
| 14:50 | <lupine_85> | or you could switch to LVM |
| 14:50 | <Eulex> | vins, mesa-utils |
| 14:50 | <witte> | there you can specify which devices gets which /dev/sdX |
| 14:50 | <lupine_85> | neither of which are easy to do if the hard disc is chock-full alreadfy |
| 14:50 | <Eulex> | user01, ah, you mean that way... not at the same time |
| 14:50 | <user01> | Eulex, yep |
| 14:50 | <user01> | Eulex, unmount one and put in the other |
| 14:50 | <Xenguy> | witte: smartctl looks great (hdparm looked too scary to me) |
| 14:51 | <vins> | direct rendering: Yes |
| 14:51 | <lupine_85> | user01: by uuid or something similar |
| 14:51 | <Eulex> | lupine_85, yes, where are those special devices now again? |
| 14:51 | <Eulex> | ah |
| 14:51 | <Eulex> | user01, /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 14:52 | <nowhere_man> | I'm unsuccessfully tring to setup mailman: |
| 14:52 | <nowhere_man> | I did "sudo newlist mailman $OWNER_EMAIL $OWNER_PASSWD" |
| 14:52 | <Eulex> | user01, the uuid of a disk won't change |
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| 14:52 | <nowhere_man> | Bad owner email address: mailman@(none). Owner addresses need to be fully-qualified names, like "owner@example.com", not just "owner". |
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| 14:52 | <nowhere_man> | I swapped the list name and owner email, just to try, and instead of mailman@(none), there was xxxx@(none) where xxxx is the part of the email before @ |
| 14:53 | <nowhere_man> | adding the -e or -u arguments did not change anything |
| 14:53 | <user01> | Eulex, how do i get the by-uuid part? |
| 14:53 | <Eulex> | user01, plug it in, the disk will appear in that directory. |
| 14:53 | <Eulex> | user01, to map them to sdxN values, ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 14:55 | <vins> | Any idea for my servor x problem ? :) |
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| 14:58 | <user01> | ok so . . . instead of the dev/sda1 in fstab i put dev/disk/by-uuid/number ? |
| 14:59 | <Eulex> | user01, yes. |
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| 14:59 | <user01> | cool . . . |
| 14:59 | <user01> | let me see if it works |
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| 14:59 | <vins> | I've made a short program which move a bmp image with the mouse. If I do some rapid circles with my mouse, I obtain slowing each 3 seconds (approximately). |
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| 15:01 | <user01> | Eulex, i have to put it before the general /dev/sda1 statement though right? |
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| 15:04 | <Eulex> | user01, emh, no. instead of. |
| 15:06 | <vins> | can you tell me what is !drxx |
| 15:06 | <vins> | please |
| 15:06 | <Eulex> | !drxx |
| 15:06 | <dpkg> | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:06 | <Eulex> | ? |
| 15:06 | <lupine_85> | so, I'm unable to use `su' from my user account - it says 'setgid: operation not permitted', but i can log into root from a getty just fine. Anyone have any idea how to fix su ? |
| 15:06 | <Eulex> | feel free to /msg the bot, though? |
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| 15:07 | <user01> | Eulex, but what about other flashdisk I just pop in? |
| 15:07 | <vins> | dpkg : thanks for you help but I would like to now why I obtain lags |
| 15:07 | <dpkg> | de nada, vins |
| 15:07 | <fxiny> | lupine_85: pam/wheel ? |
| 15:07 | <Eulex> | user01, you should use some automounter solution. |
| 15:07 | <nowhere_man> | lupine_85: I bet the su binary is not installed with the proper permissions, or it could be SELinux |
| 15:08 | <user01> | Eulex, automounting stopped working in gnome for some reason |
| 15:08 | <lupine_85> | no selinux installed, su has "-rwxr-xr-x" permissions, and I thought the wheel account was deprecated? |
| 15:08 | <sooperkuh> | user01: saw that on the gtk-gnome list |
| 15:09 | <lupine_85> | hmm. shouldn't su be setuid or something? |
| 15:09 | <sooperkuh> | it is a conflict with a partitioning tool, i think gparted |
| 15:09 | <user01> | sooperkuh, oh so i should uninstall it? |
| 15:09 | <fxiny> | it is setuid : -rwsr-xr-x 1 |
| 15:10 | <sooperkuh> | Bug#445474: gnome-mount no longer mounting |
| 15:10 | <Eulex> | fxiny, your / isn't nosuid, right? |
| 15:10 | <user01> | sooperkuh, ok so theyre still working on it then |
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| 15:10 | [~] | lupine_85 chmods it |
| 15:10 | <fxiny> | Eulex: yes |
| 15:10 | <lupine_85> | woo, that works now |
| 15:10 | <lupine_85> | thanks :) |
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| 15:11 | <lupine_85> | wonder how it ended up like that |
| 15:11 | <sooperkuh> | ah sorry, user01 |
| 15:11 | <Eulex> | fxiny, ah, sorry, was intended for lupine_85 |
| 15:11 | <sooperkuh> | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=434268 |
| 15:11 | <fxiny> | lupine_85: wheel deprecated ? i use wheel |
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| 15:11 | <fxiny> | Eulex: ok :) |
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| 15:12 | <vins> | dpkg : I've launched "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and the x default driver proposed is vesa |
| 15:12 | <dpkg> | that's too long, vins |
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| 15:12 | <lupine_85> | fxiny: it's just a random memory fragment. |
| 15:12 | <Eulex> | vins, can you select the 'nvidia' driver? |
| 15:12 | <Eulex> | !bot |
| 15:12 | <dpkg> | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 15:12 | <vins> | yes i try it |
| 15:12 | <fxiny> | lupine_85: i'll check debian official hardening docs later on |
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| 15:13 | <user01> | sooperkuh, its ok im learned alot about editing fstab this way |
| 15:14 | <sooperkuh> | hehe ... |
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| 15:15 | <vins> | Euh I don't know what write as bus video card login, the default is PCI:1:0:0 |
| 15:17 | <vins> | do you have an idea ? Can I let the default value ? |
| 15:17 | <xFF> | use default |
| 15:18 | <fxiny> | lupine_85: that's strenge : are you sure about su integrity ? |
| 15:18 | <fxiny> | strange* |
| 15:18 | <vins> | ok but my video card is in AGP : no problem ? |
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| 15:18 | <fxiny> | lupine_85: i use sxid to check it |
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| 15:19 | <fxiny> | very handy specially when experimenting with vservers |
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| 15:19 | <amphi> | vins: if you only have one card, leave the bus id blank |
| 15:20 | <vins> | too late... ^^ |
| 15:20 | <vins> | I do it again |
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| 15:23 | <tintiso> | what is a easy way to install nvidia drivers? |
| 15:23 | <Eulex> | !nvidia oneliner |
| 15:23 | <dpkg> | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 15:26 | <vins> | I've a problem with x configuration, I can't choose default 32 bits |
| 15:27 | <valdyn> | vins: no one can |
| 15:27 | <valdyn> | vins: what's wrong with 24 ? |
| 15:27 | <vins> | I can choose 24 wut I think 32 is better no ? |
| 15:28 | <valdyn> | vins: it does not exist |
| 15:28 | <vins> | ok |
| 15:28 | <valdyn> | vins: 24 is all or more than any human can see |
| 15:28 | <vins> | ok thanks |
| 15:29 | <valdyn> | vins: your lcd display is likely not capable to display 16.8 million difference colors though |
| 15:29 | <vins> | I've finished the x configuration |
| 15:29 | <valdyn> | vins: or led even |
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| 15:29 | <valdyn> | ( but that shouldnt affect your choice of 24bpp ) |
| 15:29 | <vins> | ok |
| 15:30 | <vins> | I've yet lags ! :( |
| 15:32 | <user01> | blah: fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 15:32 | <user01> | /dev/disk/by-uuid/F08CEFEB8CEFA9F4 /media/ntfsusb ntfs-3g defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000, |
| 15:33 | <user01> | noauto,umask=002, 0 0 |
| 15:33 | <valdyn> | user01: the user needs to be in the fuse group |
| 15:33 | <user01> | valdyn, i did that |
| 15:33 | <valdyn> | user01: but you did not relogin ? |
| 15:33 | <user01> | valdyn, nope |
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| 15:34 | <vins> | I ask me if the lags cause is not a peridic processus as dhcp... |
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| 15:34 | <valdyn> | vins: it is not |
| 15:34 | <user01> | valdyn, will have to say goodbye while i relogin then? |
| 15:34 | <vins> | ah ? |
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| 15:35 | <valdyn> | user01: you can run this in a terminal and only (re)login inside that terminal, like "su - <username>" |
| 15:35 | <vins> | Do you kno how I can diagnose it ? |
| 15:35 | <valdyn> | vins: i dont even know what you are defining as "lag" |
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| 15:36 | <vins> | ok lol (sorry i'm french) |
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| 15:36 | <vins> | I's like a slowing |
| 15:37 | <vins> | it appears each 3 seconds approximately |
| 15:37 | <valdyn> | vins: and how am i supposed to know what "it" is? |
| 15:37 | <valdyn> | vins: WHAT's slowing |
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| 15:38 | <vins> | it's like a bug that you can have in a game when the details are too much |
| 15:38 | <lucas_amorim> | hello, I have been using DeVeDe for creating DVDs with debian lenny. It always worked, but now it is not. It starts converting the videos to mpeg-4 compliant (using mencoder) and after that it runs dvdauthor to build the disc structure, that is where it crashes. It complains like this: "It was not possible to create the disc structure. Maybe you run out of space." |
| 15:39 | <user01> | valdyn, now it says fusermount: user has no write access to mountpoint /media/ntfsusb |
| 15:39 | <valdyn> | user01: and? what is not clear about that error? |
| 15:39 | <lucas_amorim> | I have got 8GB free at my home partition, and that is where I choose the output dir |
| 15:39 | <fxiny> | lucas_amorim: does it uses a tmp dir ? |
| 15:40 | <fxiny> | like k9copy |
| 15:40 | <lucas_amorim> | but, I have got less than 1GB at / :( |
| 15:40 | <user01> | valdyn, i thought ntfs-3g gave me write permission as well? |
| 15:40 | <lucas_amorim> | fxiny |
| 15:40 | <lucas_amorim> | maybe |
| 15:40 | <valdyn> | user01: you cant even mount. |
| 15:40 | <chealer> | !tell tintiso about ngd |
| 15:40 | <chealer> | tintiso: which Debian suite do you use? |
| 15:40 | <user01> | valdyn, nope |
| 15:40 | <valdyn> | user01: getting write permissions to the mounted filesystem only comes after mounting |
| 15:40 | <lucas_amorim> | fxiny: that is where comes my problem. I do not know how to resize the / partition |
| 15:41 | <vins> | valdyn, do you what's my problem or not ? |
| 15:41 | <tintiso> | debian etch |
| 15:41 | <valdyn> | vins: no idea, you aren't telling me |
| 15:41 | <chealer> | tintiso: OK, see the factoid |
| 15:42 | <fxiny> | lucas_amorim: no way to set it up to use a dir in your home ? |
| 15:42 | <user01> | valdyn, but i put user in the fstab |
| 15:42 | <valdyn> | user01: fusermount is something seperate to mount |
| 15:42 | <valdyn> | user01: youre just being cojnfused by mount calling fusermount instead of you calling fusermount directly |
| 15:43 | <valdyn> | user01: fusermount has its own access control mechanisms |
| 15:43 | <fxiny> | lucas_amorim: k9copy uses iirc a /var/tmp dir but is possible to change setting |
| 15:43 | <valdyn> | user01: and if a user cant write a directory, he cant fusermount anything there, obviously |
| 15:43 | <lucas_amorim> | fxiny: dvd author uses k9copy? |
| 15:44 | <user01> | valdyn, oh, so i really dont need any of those mount options after? |
| 15:44 | <valdyn> | user01: probably, i dont know the whole picture of fusermounts workings |
| 15:44 | <fxiny> | lucas_amorim: k9copy shrink dvd down to 4.4 , i don't use it too much but it fills up my / which is just 3.5G , so i set it up to use a /home/subdir and is fine |
| 15:45 | <valdyn> | user01: you should only need access to /dev/fuse and the dir to mount at, afaik |
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| 15:45 | <user01> | valdyn, right now /media/ntfsusb ntfs-3g defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000, etc |
| 15:45 | <lucas_amorim> | fxiny: so you mean I shouyld try that with dvdauthor, right? find a config file somewhere |
| 15:47 | <fxiny> | lucas_amorim: yes . whatever it fills up your / , i've never used devede |
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| 15:48 | <verci> | irc://irc.abjects.net/overflow |
| 15:48 | <lucas_amorim> | fxiny: I think I have solved the problem. There is a line pointing to /var/temp at ~/.devede |
| 15:48 | <lucas_amorim> | :) |
| 15:48 | <fxiny> | lucas_amorim: :) |
| 15:48 | <lucas_amorim> | thanks :) |
| 15:48 | <fxiny> | np |
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| 15:52 | <user01> | fusermount: option blkdev is privileged |
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| 15:53 | <valdyn> | user01: show the whole fstab line |
| 15:54 | <fearbear> | I've got some trouble with the installation |
| 15:54 | <fearbear> | I have a via C70 processor |
| 15:55 | <fearbear> | which linux kernel should I choose? |
| 15:55 | <fearbear> | I tried some of them in the list, but yairm and initramfs cannot be loaded for some reason |
| 15:56 | <user01> | valdyn, /dev/disk/by-uuid/F08CEFEB8CEFA9F4 /media/ntfsusb ntfs-3g defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,noauto,umask=002, 0 0 |
| 15:56 | <blarson> | fearbear: I think the via C7 requires i486 kernel. |
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| 15:56 | <fearbear> | okay, and should i use yairm or initramfs?? |
| 15:56 | <blarson> | fearbear: You can compile a new one optimized for it if needed. |
| 15:56 | <valdyn> | user01: by-uuid even lists partitions and not just disks_ |
| 15:56 | <valdyn> | user01: by-uuid even lists partitions and not just disks? |
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| 15:57 | <fearbear> | blarson: how do I do that? |
| 15:57 | <blarson> | fearbear: initramfs is default now. |
| 15:57 | <Eulex> | valdyn, yeah, it's uuid per partition. |
| 15:57 | <valdyn> | alright |
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| 15:57 | <user01> | valdyn, yep |
| 15:57 | <chealer> | fearbear: C70 or C7? BTW, it's yaird, not yairm |
| 15:57 | <Eulex> | valdyn, ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 15:57 | <fearbear> | oh, I still get initramfs could not be installed... |
| 15:57 | <gcs> | Hi! What's the best alternative of MailMan which is in the repository? |
| 15:58 | <blarson> | fearbear: follow usual instructions for configuring/compiling a custom kernel. |
| 15:58 | <vins> | ok I try to explain better. I've made a short program with C language and SDL library. When I launch it, all seem to be ok but if I move the mouse for example, the mouvement is blocked each 3 seconds approcimately. I've tried to launch supertux game and I have the same problem. The movement ok tux is blocked each 3-5 seconds approximately. I would like to know the cause of the problem. I thought it could be a servor x configuration p |
| 15:58 | <vins> | roblem or a periodic processus with bad configuration. I dont't know :) |
| 15:58 | <fearbear> | where do I find them? |
| 15:59 | <chealer> | vins: hum, that sounds like a problem I'm experiencing myself. |
| 15:59 | <vins> | ah ? |
| 15:59 | <valdyn> | vins: try if this works if you run supertux with RT priority |
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| 16:00 | <valdyn> | vins: mind, you will have to reboot if an RT process behaves badly |
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| 16:00 | <vins> | what is RT ? |
| 16:00 | <Ganneff> | realtime |
| 16:00 | <Maulkin> | !rt |
| 16:00 | <dpkg> | hmm... rt is Request Tracker |
| 16:00 | <user01> | valdyn, reading this: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#useroption |
| 16:01 | <Maulkin> | !no, RT is Request Tracker or Real Time |
| 16:01 | <dpkg> | Maulkin: okay |
| 16:01 | <vins> | and where can I configure the RT priority ? |
| 16:01 | <fearbear> | blarson: where do I find the instructions? My system has no OS at the moment, so I cannot login and do apt-get... |
| 16:01 | <chealer> | vins: which version of the drivers do you use? |
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| 16:02 | <valdyn> | vins: like "sudo nice -19 supertux", see the nice manpage |
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| 16:02 | <vins> | nvidia 100.14.09 |
| 16:02 | <valdyn> | vins: this is more likely a kernel / driver issue thogh, which priority cannot fix |
| 16:03 | <blarson> | fearbear: install with the 486 kernel, then recompile after you have a running system. |
| 16:03 | <Gryfelhase> | I see, that linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 is installed, but I'm using kernel 2.6.18-4-686. How could this be? DOn't know what programm installed this |
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| 16:04 | <valdyn> | Gryfelhase: there's metapackages that track recent headers / kernels |
| 16:04 | <chealer> | vins: did you try with other versions, say 100.14.19? |
| 16:04 | <Xenguy> | I wanted to ask: is it possible at all to tarball a directory on one server *directly* over to another server location (i.e. without having to do tarball > then scp ? |
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| 16:04 | <valdyn> | Gryfelhase: dpkg -l | grep linux-header and/or dpkg -l | grep linux-image, read the package descriptions |
| 16:05 | <valdyn> | Xenguy: umm_ |
| 16:05 | <vins> | chealer : no |
| 16:05 | <user01> | valdyn, yeah i did it by myself (the last part anyway) |
| 16:05 | <valdyn> | Xenguy: tar only operates on filesystems |
| 16:05 | <user01> | valdyn, chown root.user01 $(which ntfs-3g) |
| 16:05 | <chealer> | Gryfelhase: what do you mean? |
| 16:05 | <valdyn> | Xenguy: or block devies, naturally |
| 16:05 | <user01> | valdyn, chmod 4750 $(which ntfs-3g) |
| 16:05 | <valdyn> | Xenguy: you need an additional layer to do the networking |
| 16:05 | <Xenguy> | valdyn: OK, I figured it was not doable, but wanted to confirm. Thanks |
| 16:06 | <Gryfelhase> | valdyn: I used dpkg -l to get the information, that linux-kernel-header-package is 2.6.18-7 |
| 16:06 | <valdyn> | Xenguy: there'S netcat and networked filesystems, and ssh |
| 16:06 | <chealer> | vins: is there a reason you use 100.14.09 rather than 100.14.19? or you just installed them some time ago? |
| 16:06 | <Gryfelhase> | does this make troule, when vmware can't find the true kernel-headers? (Also installed) |
| 16:06 | <Xenguy> | valdyn: thanks for the tips :-) |
| 16:07 | <fearbear> | blarson: so I choose linux-image-2.6-486?? |
| 16:07 | <valdyn> | Gryfelhase: there's no kernel headers like you described anywhere |
| 16:07 | <valdyn> | Gryfelhase: you want to tell us what you really have and which metapackages you have |
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| 16:08 | <vins> | chealer, no reason but I've installed them only one month ago |
| 16:09 | <user01> | valdyn, bah now it will show it at the command line but wont mount in gnome |
| 16:09 | <Gryfelhase> | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 16:09 | <blarson> | fearbear: yes |
| 16:10 | <fearbear> | blarson: or or linux-image-2.6.18-5-486? |
| 16:10 | <Gryfelhase> | is output of dpkg -l |
| 16:10 | <fearbear> | or simply linux image 486? |
| 16:10 | <blarson> | fearbear: the first will install the latest available. |
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| 16:10 | <valdyn> | Gryfelhase: that package has nothign to do with vmware or your kernel |
| 16:10 | <valdyn> | Gryfelhase: your package starts with "linux-headers" |
| 16:11 | <valdyn> | Gryfelhase: and try reading the package descriptions. |
| 16:11 | <fearbear> | but I tried that one a couple of minutes ago, and it said: initramfs could not be installed... |
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| 16:12 | <chealer> | vins: you could try with the latest version. |
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| 16:14 | <vins> | yes I tried to launch tux with valdyn options , I have the still the probelm |
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| 16:14 | <chealer> | vins: nevermind, I think my problem is different. I don't have it with supertux, only neverball |
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| 16:15 | <vins> | ok |
| 16:15 | <vins> | still thanks for your help :) |
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| 16:16 | <vins> | valdyn : I have still the problem with "nice -19 supertux" |
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| 16:17 | <vins> | (not in su because it makes me an error) |
| 16:18 | <chealer> | vins: which Debian suite do you use? |
| 16:18 | <valdyn> | vins: nice -19 does not work as user |
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| 16:19 | <vins> | debian 4.0 |
| 16:19 | <chealer> | vins: does the problem occur if you use the nv driver instead? |
| 16:20 | <l> | hello. please, how can I active V4L2 ? |
| 16:20 | <valdyn> | !wayttd l |
| 16:20 | <dpkg> | What Are You Trying To Do, l? |
| 16:21 | <l> | dpkg, I'm trying to install my new webcam |
| 16:21 | <valdyn> | l: so ask about that |
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| 16:22 | <bogdan> | ciao |
| 16:23 | <bogdan> | come faccio a vedere una partizione ext3 sul mio display, come la devo montare? |
| 16:23 | <valdyn> | !it |
| 16:23 | <dpkg> | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 16:23 | <vins> | chealer : i'm sorry i don't understand : I always use the nvidia driver |
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| 16:23 | <chealer> | vins: right, I suggest to try the nv driver instead. |
| 16:24 | <valdyn> | that one is probably not going to run anything opengl nicely |
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| 16:24 | <vins> | ok nv and nvidia are not the same |
| 16:24 | <valdyn> | supertux is opengl though? |
| 16:24 | <vins> | yes I use opengl for supertux |
| 16:25 | <lupine_85> | opengl on nv is slooooooooooow |
| 16:25 | <vins> | but i have the problem with SDL |
| 16:25 | <l> | valdyn, oh, ok. It's a Microdia. I installed the packages gspca and spca5xx, but amsn not reconosigned the webcam, and mercury too. and in gstream-properties happen this error: Video for Linux 2 (v4l2): Cannot identify device '/dev/video0'. (sorry for my horrible english and my errors, I'm brazilian, but in debian-br no one can help me) |
| 16:26 | <lupine_85> | l: you need to mknod the /dev/video0 file and modprobe the gspca driver |
| 16:26 | <valdyn> | l: dont talk to me directly, but not having v4l is not your problem |
| 16:26 | <valdyn> | l: ask the channel, not me. |
| 16:26 | <l> | ok, sorry |
| 16:27 | <lupine_85> | mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 |
| 16:27 | <vins> | monstre:/home/vins# nice -19 supertux |
| 16:27 | <valdyn> | l: just helping you ask properly, i dont know much about webcams |
| 16:27 | <vins> | nice: supertux: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type |
| 16:27 | <valdyn> | lupine_85: in times when everyone has udev? |
| 16:27 | <lupine_85> | yes |
| 16:27 | <lupine_85> | at least, last month when I tried it, yes |
| 16:27 | <valdyn> | I see |
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| 16:28 | <vins> | with su I dont access supertux |
| 16:28 | <valdyn> | vins: vagueness isnt going to get you far. |
| 16:28 | <valdyn> | vins: use "sudo" or "sux", not "su" |
| 16:29 | <vins> | ok I try it |
| 16:29 | <valdyn> | vins: probably sudo /usr/games/supertux, as /usr/games might not be in root's $PATH |
| 16:29 | <l> | ok, now the error is: Video for Linux 2 (v4l2): Could not open device '/dev/video0' for reading and writing. |
| 16:29 | <valdyn> | !wikifaq l Permissions |
| 16:29 | <dpkg> | l: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 16:30 | <l> | ok |
| 16:31 | <chealer> | valdyn: only SDL for now (the version in stable) |
| 16:32 | <lupine_85> | well, if the kernel module isn't loaded, then the device file can't be opened |
| 16:32 | <lupine_85> | but it could also be permissions, I guess. Try accessing it as root to check |
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| 16:34 | <fearbear> | It just tells me again initramfs could not be installed :( |
| 16:34 | <l> | I'm accessing as root. I think the module is not loaded, and I not know how to load it |
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| 16:35 | <vins> | valdyn : i've still the problem ith sudo nice -19 /usr/games/supertux |
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| 16:37 | <vins> | the game launchs itself but I still have my initial problem |
| 16:37 | <vins> | I try to update my drivers |
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| 16:38 | <loki_> | hello :) |
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| 16:56 | <rkos> | my zlib is not compatible with libfreetype or whatever, i downloaded the unstable version of zlib but it didnt fix the problem, so what now? |
| 16:56 | <rkos> | Eulex, what was it that you were talking about yesterday that i should do |
| 16:56 | <oscar> | #debian-es |
| 16:57 | <rkos> | or #debian-br |
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| 16:57 | <Eulex> | make sure that both are from the same release of debian. tools: apt-cache search, apt-cache policy and apt-get install |
| 16:58 | <patrick22> | I have problem to get my new kernel to recognize the old root filesystem.... would anyone be able to help me debugging the .config file? |
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| 17:00 | <rkos> | zlib: Installed: 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-7 libfreetype: Installed: 2.3.5-1+b1 |
| 17:00 | <rkos> | so those look different |
| 17:00 | <rkos> | i dont really know what im looking for or what im supposed to do |
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| 17:03 | <rkos> | Eulex, can you direct me again or are you tired of helping me? |
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| 17:04 | <Eulex> | rkos, ok. you haven't installed a zlib or a libfreetype independent of the package system, right? |
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| 17:05 | <rkos> | umm |
| 17:05 | <rkos> | i installed the unstable version of zlib when that other guy was helped me about this, but i had the problem before i did that |
| 17:05 | <rkos> | and libfreetype i got with the normal apt-get |
| 17:06 | <Eulex> | and you still do? |
| 17:06 | <rkos> | yes |
| 17:06 | <rkos> | i tried to configure it but i got the same error |
| 17:06 | <Eulex> | define 'configure it' |
| 17:07 | <rkos> | ./configure |
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| 17:07 | <Eulex> | configure what? |
| 17:07 | <rkos> | talking about compiling wine 0.9.48 |
| 17:07 | <Eulex> | ah |
| 17:07 | <Eulex> | rkos, have you got an /usr/local/lib directory? |
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| 17:08 | <rkos> | yes |
| 17:08 | <Eulex> | are you really really sure that you need 0.9.48 and that the one in unstable does not do? |
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| 17:08 | <Eulex> | rkos, check inside that directory for libz and libfreetype. or pastebin a file listing from it. |
| 17:08 | <rkos> | well 47 had some serious problems with steam and this one should have some fixes for it |
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| 17:09 | <rkos> | it has just 3 folders, gnustep, ocaml, python2.4 |
| 17:09 | <Eulex> | ok |
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| 17:10 | <Eulex> | rkos, pastebin ls -al /usr/lib/libz* /usr/lib/libfreetype* |
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| 17:11 | <rkos> | http://pastebin.com/m38736e2d |
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| 17:22 | <vins> | hi I'm still with my problem on supertux and SDL program |
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| 17:23 | <vins> | I've installed the news Nvidia drivers but I've still the problem |
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| 17:25 | <witte> | hello, someone else experiencing that cdimage.debian.org is very slow? |
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| 17:26 | <vins> | When I launch a game or a SDL application, the movement (of tux ina game fr example or of my mouse in an application) is stopped each 3-5 seconds approximately. Do you kno how I can diagnose that ? |
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| 17:28 | <vins> | can someone help me please ? |
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| 17:33 | <sooperkuh> | vins: do you have hardware accelerated 3D? |
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| 17:34 | <vins> | yes I've installed nvidia last drivers |
| 17:34 | <vins> | My video card is a quadro 1600M |
| 17:34 | <sooperkuh> | hm .. i had the same freezes, but befor i had that activated |
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| 17:34 | <sooperkuh> | glxgears would just look as if it "skipped" |
| 17:36 | <sooperkuh> | hm .. but if you have glx already working ... strange |
| 17:36 | <chealer> | vins: did you try the nv driver? |
| 17:36 | <vins> | ah no i've forgotten |
| 17:36 | <sooperkuh> | chealer: but nv is unaccellerated, is it? |
| 17:37 | <chealer> | sooperkuh: right |
| 17:37 | <vins> | I have freezes with glxgears !! |
| 17:37 | <vins> | :( |
| 17:38 | <sooperkuh> | how many frames per second do you get? |
| 17:38 | <sooperkuh> | 4845 frames in 5.0 seconds = 968.949 FPS |
| 17:38 | <vins> | where can i see it ? |
| 17:38 | <sooperkuh> | start it from a shell window |
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| 17:39 | <vins> | I do that but i don't have informations in console |
| 17:39 | <vins> | it's strange I've still tried |
| 17:39 | <sooperkuh> | hm strange ... i get this output as soon as I start it ... hm |
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| 17:40 | <vins> | Me too before |
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| 17:42 | <sooperkuh> | dunno what this problem could be |
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| 17:43 | <gcosmin> | if I have just install sun-java with apt-get .. how can I know where is my java $PATCH ? |
| 17:44 | <vins> | ok it works with glxgears -printfps |
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| 17:45 | <gcosmin> | can some one help me please? |
| 17:45 | <vins> | I obtain approximately 20000 fps |
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| 17:46 | <Nelson101> | see ya' |
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| 17:46 | <sooperkuh> | vins: so you are certainly accelerated |
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| 17:47 | <vins> | yes |
| 17:47 | <sooperkuh> | hm .. 20000 wow that is fast ... can't imagine it is any speed problem then |
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| 17:47 | <vins> | but it strange with glxgears I have period with freeze ans I obtain approximately 12000 fps |
| 17:47 | <vins> | because of the freeze |
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| 17:48 | <sooperkuh> | but it only freezes, never crashes |
| 17:49 | <vins> | never crash |
| 17:50 | <sooperkuh> | because i thought maybe the card is too much for the power supply, but that would only make sense if the computer sometimes crashed imho |
| 17:51 | <sooperkuh> | what window manager are you running? if it is compiz, maybe changing it helps? |
| 17:51 | <vins> | Im seeing that if the box with engrenages is hidden i obtain approximately 20 000 fps but if it's not hidden I obtain approximately 12 000 fps |
| 17:51 | <vins> | It's strange |
| 17:54 | <vins> | No idea ? :) |
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| 17:55 | <sooperkuh> | no, sorry |
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| 18:00 | <vins> | Please is there a spacialist of freezes here ? :) I must do 3d simulations and my computer is not able to do a simple glxgears without freeze ! ^^ |
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| 18:02 | <Alex> | Hey all quick question regarding linux in general... |
| 18:02 | <Alex> | I installed mysql-server using APT and when I ran ps -aux I seen the various daemons runnings mysql, apache, etc |
| 18:03 | <Alex> | I then invoked the mysql daemon via mysql (no user/pass) |
| 18:03 | <vins> | sooperkuh : can you tell me if you have the same score with glxgears if you hide the fenster and if you don't hide it |
| 18:03 | <Alex> | I exited and removed/purged mysql-server |
| 18:03 | <vins> | Or someone else ? |
| 18:03 | <Alex> | rebooted the system but when I ps -aux again I still seen the mysql daemons??? |
| 18:04 | <dondelelcaro> | Alex: mysql-server is just a meta package which depends on the actual server. |
| 18:04 | <Alex> | meta package? |
| 18:04 | <Alex> | I can google that... |
| 18:06 | <Alex> | Second question: When I start a daemon, such as MySQL and I PS -AUX I can see several daemons running? Why the need for more than one? Also when I ran "mysqladmin" it worked as well - despite not being listed in the PS listings??? |
| 18:06 | <lupine_85> | Alex: a package that contains no files of it's own, just depends on other files |
| 18:06 | <lupine_85> | erm, packages |
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| 18:08 | <vins> | please have you the same score with glxgears when you reduce the fenster and when you don't reduce it ? |
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| 18:09 | <libervisco> | Hm just found something interesting (relevant to Debian).. http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/309/122/1/17/ |
| 18:12 | <amphi> | libervisco: "Debian fails to understand that even the user of a free product is still a customer." wtf? |
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| 18:16 | <dondelelcaro> | libervisco: that's not particularly interesting |
| 18:16 | <libervisco> | amphi, well, that one is arguable.. but it's still interesting :) |
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| 18:16 | <libervisco> | it's part of a whole series... |
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| 18:17 | <dondelelcaro> | unless you appreciate inane screeds |
| 18:17 | <amphi> | libervisco: it is? what does it contain that's novel? |
| 18:18 | <libervisco> | well the assertion that dunc tank project was a sabotage of etch releasing on time, for one... |
| 18:19 | <amphi> | much of it reads like a standard 'open source' rant against free software |
| 18:19 | <libervisco> | upon which its initiator gets elected as Debian leader? |
| 18:19 | <libervisco> | amphi, oh it's not.. I've been reading the series and he doesn't seem like that.. |
| 18:20 | <dondelelcaro> | libervisco: except that it wasn't, and has little to do with why Sam was elected. |
| 18:20 | <libervisco> | seems more like a bit of frustration-inspired criticism towards Free Software or Open Source regardless |
| 18:21 | <amphi> | it seems no one told 'Jem' about 'WIR' ;) |
| 18:21 | <libervisco> | WIR? |
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| 18:21 | <amphi> | !WIR |
| 18:21 | <dpkg> | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:21 | <libervisco> | ah :) |
| 18:22 | <libervisco> | well, the theory goes that the sabotage counted on the WIR policy |
| 18:22 | <amphi> | oh, those evil bug reporters! |
| 18:22 | <libervisco> | :D |
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| 18:23 | <libervisco> | so.. basically dunc-tank resulted in more bugs being reported, but failed as a long term project? |
| 18:23 | <dondelelcaro> | it didn't actually |
| 18:24 | <dondelelcaro> | dunc tank mainly allowed for two release managers to be paid for a few months to work on the release and a bit of consternation on the mailing lists |
| 18:24 | <amphi> | libervisco: and as for the iceweasel thing, as I understood it, mozilla would neither accept all of debian's patches to firefox, and would not allow a differently patched version to be called firefox, so it was mozilla who forced the name change |
| 18:24 | <sooperkuh> | vins: still here? |
| 18:24 | <vins> | yes yes :) |
| 18:24 | <sooperkuh> | no, i don't get the same score |
| 18:24 | <sooperkuh> | twice as fast when hidden for me |
| 18:24 | <vins> | ok |
| 18:24 | <amphi> | libervisco: from what I read of the discussion, it was fairly amicable |
| 18:24 | <libervisco> | amphi, about that, I later heard that images were actually under a nonfree license making the whole package legally undistributable.. |
| 18:25 | <vins> | yes i's logic :) |
| 18:25 | <libervisco> | so that it wasn't just a trademark issue |
| 18:25 | <libervisco> | a sec |
| 18:25 | <libervisco> | this was vividly pointed out here: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/10/18/gobuntu-has-already-failed |
| 18:25 | <vins> | sooperkuh : thanks for help |
| 18:26 | <amphi> | libervisco: that goes along with the name, AFAIUI - all those things are only to be associated with the official version, not another's patched version |
| 18:26 | <libervisco> | well of course |
| 18:26 | <sooperkuh> | vins: you're welcome ... you wrote fenster, maybe in the german channel can help? |
| 18:26 | <libervisco> | I mean, yeah trademark policy makes that legally binding I suppose, by by Free Software standards Firefox is a no-go anyway.. |
| 18:27 | <Alex> | If I have ran apt-get --purge remove mysql-server and I still have the mysql daemons running...how do I *totally* remove the mysql server? :S |
| 18:27 | <libervisco> | if it really ends up being proprietary in its official packaging with non-free images |
| 18:27 | <amphi> | libervisco: why? linux is a trademark |
| 18:27 | <dondelelcaro> | we haven't distributed the non-free images |
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| 18:28 | <amphi> | libervisco: in this case, AFAICS, the trademark holder declined to permit the use of the trademark for a modified program |
| 18:28 | <vins> | sooperkuh : I'm french ^^ |
| 18:28 | <libervisco> | I am not criticizing Debian here, actually, just asserting that regardless of the trademark issue, a "fork" was necessary |
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| 18:28 | <libervisco> | amphi, and package had to be modified.. hence the change of name |
| 18:28 | <libervisco> | hmm yeah :D |
| 18:28 | <dondelelcaro> | libervisco: sure, but that's not why the name was changed. We were not distributing those images well before we changed the name |
| 18:28 | <libervisco> | Just checking how well I understand the issue :) |
| 18:29 | <libervisco> | oh |
| 18:29 | <amphi> | libervisco: ISTR that patches were the main issue, but I may be wrong |
| 18:30 | <dondelelcaro> | the real issue is that all patches had to be vetted, and that there could come a time in the future where security patches for older versions of firefox were not vetable, Mozilla and Debian having entirely different release schedules |
| 18:30 | <libervisco> | yeah |
| 18:31 | <libervisco> | so.. even before that Debian was removing those nonfree logos? |
| 18:31 | <dondelelcaro> | yes. |
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| 18:32 | <libervisco> | I see, so this trademark policy then forced the name change because of the logo change. |
| 18:32 | <libervisco> | Thanks |
| 18:32 | <sooperkuh> | i always want to kill somebody at mozilla, when i think about that firefox madness |
| 18:33 | <sooperkuh> | i had to explain to my users each time that there is a "new" firefox but it is actually the same |
| 18:33 | <dondelelcaro> | libervisco: it wasn't just the logo change. reread what I said above. |
| 18:33 | <sooperkuh> | i hope that the iceweasel branding will stay for a while |
| 18:34 | <libervisco> | dondelelcaro, yeah, the patches too |
| 18:34 | <amphi> | sooperkuh: just tell 'em firefox is a cheap knockoff of iceweasel ;) |
| 18:34 | <libervisco> | lol |
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| 18:35 | <libervisco> | It's an interesting issue for sure.. also easily confusing (at least to me), cause it pits the principle of protecting trademarks against the principle of not restricting four freedoms with them.. |
| 18:35 | <sam> | "Firefox is the Mozilla Corporation's rebranded version of the famous Iceweasel web browser" |
| 18:35 | <sooperkuh> | lol |
| 18:36 | <sooperkuh> | now it is really a shame that the poster child of open source (or is it free software in their case) that |
| 18:36 | <sooperkuh> | oops ... is known to the most people, acts that stupid |
| 18:37 | <libervisco> | Hmm I'm a bit bothered by it still.. I mean.. I'm not sure we can really blame Mozilla, albeit I think Debian did the right thing.. |
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| 18:38 | <libervisco> | The thing is, they wanted their trademark to apply to what they produce, not to modified versions.. are we to consider that unfair? |
| 18:38 | <dondelelcaro> | I don't think anyone who was actually involved in it thinks it was unfair. |
| 18:38 | <libervisco> | If the source is free and we can just do what was done and be on our free way. |
| 18:38 | <sooperkuh> | libervisco: linus does the same with the kernel, but he does not act that stupid |
| 18:39 | <dondelelcaro> | regretable perhaps, but that's it. |
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| 18:39 | <dondelelcaro> | the name was changed, and we all moved on; everything else is really muckrakers and trolls. |
| 18:39 | <libervisco> | hmm yeah, Linus could've said the trademark applies only to what the core team produces :) |
| 18:39 | <libervisco> | good that he didn't :) |
| 18:40 | <sooperkuh> | ... and everything else must not use the official penguin logo ; )' |
| 18:40 | <amphi> | libervisco: it's possible for two parties to have different views and requirements without one needing to be evil and/or an imbecile ;) |
| 18:40 | <libervisco> | sooperkuh, indeed |
| 18:40 | <amphi> | sooperkuh: I loathe the penguin ;) |
| 18:40 | <dondelelcaro> | we should return to the beer logo |
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| 18:41 | <sooperkuh> | i think the detrimental effect is that this fragments free software and makes lots of unnecessary work |
| 18:41 | <libervisco> | anyway, on to another subject.. I recently wrote a blog entry in which I say I'll be looking for even more choice in GNU/Linux distros because no distro yet perfectly fits my desires.. |
| 18:41 | <dondelelcaro> | sooperkuh: not really; changing a name is fairly trivial thing to do, and a reasonable request |
| 18:42 | <amphi> | libervisco: yeah, there are definitely too few distros ;) |
| 18:42 | <libervisco> | and then someone suggested Debian Testing, although it too doesn't exactly fit, but the issue is more uncertain there.. |
| 18:42 | <dondelelcaro> | libervisco: it's rare that a distro does; what you should do is find the closest one (or the one that is easiest to adapt) and use it |
| 18:43 | <libervisco> | yeah that's what I thought, but then I end up being a constant distro hopper.. |
| 18:43 | <dondelelcaro> | (and the best thing is to be open to the idea that your preferences are not ideal) |
| 18:43 | <libervisco> | and it's not like I have any choice in the matter anyway :D |
| 18:43 | <amphi> | libervisco: testing and the odd thing built from src works well for me |
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| 18:43 | <libervisco> | It's just that, as long as I still have a few requirements unmet I'll be encouraging more options to choose from |
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| 18:44 | <libervisco> | pity I don't have much time and expertise to build my own distro :P |
| 18:45 | <dondelelcaro> | that's why you should start from an existing one and modify it when necessary |
| 18:45 | <libervisco> | http://www.nuxified.org/blog/too_many_free_operating_systems_i_dont_think_so |
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| 18:45 | <libervisco> | hm yeah that usually comes to mind when I ponder the idea of doing my own.. find the closest match and modify |
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| 19:04 | <Ikarus> | Man, this application is mad |
| 19:04 | <Ikarus> | or has anyone actually considered wiring a cluster with 2480 network cables by hand :P |
| 19:06 | <dondelelcaro> | uh... how else would you wire such a thing? |
| 19:07 | <Ikarus> | dondelelcaro: nah, this design tool just doesn't take it into account that it could use more CPU cores per node to reduce on network cabling |
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| 19:20 | <andrej> | hello! i got a question :) is possible to run mac programs on debian ? |
| 19:21 | <dondelelcaro> | andrej: using mol, yes. |
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| 19:22 | <andrej> | dondelelcaro: what is better run windows or mac programs on mac? |
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| 19:22 | <andrej> | on linux |
| 19:22 | <andrej> | :D |
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| 19:23 | <andrej> | i was wondering because i need a special program to print cd labes directly to cd with my printer and i couldnt find a prog wich would do that |
| 19:24 | <dondelelcaro> | you don't actually need a special program to do that |
| 19:24 | <andrej> | and i get just busy signal if i try to print whit openoffice draw or gimp |
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| 19:25 | <andrej> | dondelelcaro: what do you recommend ? |
| 19:26 | <zl2tod> | it sounds like you need to fix you printing setup |
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| 19:28 | <andrej> | if i print on normal paper it works fine but if i put on a "thing" i which i put the "table" with my cd to print on my printer tells me that is busy and is trying again every 5 sec.... |
| 19:28 | <andrej> | i did the properties on cd tray.... |
| 19:29 | <andrej> | but no result |
| 19:29 | <andrej> | i got canon i865 |
| 19:29 | <andrej> | runing debian kde |
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| 19:30 | <andrej> | ideas ? |
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| 19:33 | <lucas_amorim> | Hello. I just installed mjpegtools using alien to convert that from a rpm package. But now I found a newer version on the debian multimedia repository. The problem is: I installed that rpm by converting it like this: "alien --scripts packagename.rpm" and then "dpkg -i packagename.deb" |
| 19:33 | <lucas_amorim> | Now I want to remove, but i cant |
| 19:34 | <lucas_amorim> | i tried "dpkg -r mjpegtools" |
| 19:34 | <lucas_amorim> | I will paste the output |
| 19:34 | <lucas_amorim> | !paste |
| 19:34 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 19:35 | <lucas_amorim> | http://paste.debian.net/42018 |
| 19:35 | <lucas_amorim> | then, how could I remove that? |
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| 19:36 | <knoppix_> | hi |
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| 19:37 | <sooperkuh> | lucas:amorim: i don't know, but i have fixed things like that in the past by simply linking the |
| 19:37 | <sooperkuh> | missing file to /bin/true |
| 19:37 | <lucas_amorim> | ok, let me see... |
| 19:38 | <sooperkuh> | but do not blame me, if this breaks more than it fixes ; ) |
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| 19:44 | <andrej> | /msg dpkg no public key |
| 19:44 | <andrej> | ž/msg dpkg no public key |
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| 19:47 | <Alex> | Why after I invoke a program, such as Apache or MySQL are there several instances running when I *PS* to view running processes? I have read that Linux doesn't distinguish between threads/processes like Windows does so each process may be acting as thread. Can someone give me an example of such with Apache and it's processes if this is true? |
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| 19:48 | <ifvoid> | hi |
| 19:48 | <ifvoid> | Alex: no, this is a totally different thing |
| 19:49 | <Alex> | oh...so why does Apache for example have so many instances? :S |
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| 19:49 | <ifvoid> | ok you mean wwhy there are seveal processes showing up? |
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| 19:50 | <ifvoid> | that's simply to be able to handle multiple connections that some in |
| 19:50 | <Alex> | Yes...after installed apache and I ran ps -aux I noticed several apache processes |
| 19:50 | <ifvoid> | otherwise the clients would have to wait until a new process (or thread) is started |
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| 19:50 | <ifvoid> | Alex: and indeed, linxu doesn't really distinguish between threads and processes |
| 19:51 | <ifvoid> | Alex: try pstree if you want to see the relationships between the different processes |
| 19:51 | <ifvoid> | Alex: you should see that there is one master apache process with several children |
| 19:51 | <Alex> | Cool...I see that |
| 19:52 | <zl2tod> | Alex, if you have chkrootkit installed you could scare yourself further by running /usr/lib/chkrootkit/chkproc -v -v |
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| 19:53 | <Alex> | One other question. I installed mysql and when I PS I see the processes...I then used mysqladmin and shutdown all running processes. I PS'ed and as expected they were gone. However when I tried to start the Mysql daemon again using 'mysql' such as what I found in the init.d nothing happens? |
| 19:53 | <Alex> | I have fresh install...no rootkit's as far as I know :P |
| 19:53 | <Alex> | i hope |
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| 19:56 | <lucas_amorim> | does someone have an Idea on how to remove that package? |
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| 19:57 | <Nemoder> | lucas_amorim: install-info is part of dpkg, if it is missing your system is seriously broken |
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| 19:59 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: I don't think it is missing.. dpkg was working perfectly untill I did that installation of mjpegtools |
| 19:59 | <lucas_amorim> | but, if it is missing, what do you suggest I could do? |
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| 20:00 | <Nemoder> | well you can check if it's missing: ls -l /sbin/install-info |
| 20:00 | <Nemoder> | er sorry, /usr/sbin/install-info |
| 20:00 | <Nemoder> | oh |
| 20:00 | <Nemoder> | that's the problem heh |
| 20:01 | <Nemoder> | the script is looking for it in the wrong place |
| 20:01 | <lucas_amorim> | what script? |
| 20:01 | <Nemoder> | the uninstall script for that package |
| 20:02 | <lucas_amorim> | then I could fix that by editing this script? |
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| 20:02 | <lucas_amorim> | where is that? |
| 20:02 | <franklin> | what about an 'apt-get install dpkg --reinstall' to fix the missing install-info ? |
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| 20:03 | <Nemoder> | try /var/lib/dpkg/info/mjpegtools* |
| 20:04 | <Nemoder> | and file a bug report if it is indeed wrong |
| 20:04 | <lucas_amorim> | franklin: I am going to try |
| 20:04 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: ok, I will see |
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| 20:08 | <tlmiller> | I'm struggling to get compiz working on my debian host and reading conflicting posts via google about the state of compiz. Should it work under Lenny? |
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| 20:08 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: It was pointing the wrong place, but I think that is because it was not made for debian. I made that with alien. Anyway I changed it, and now I have got more errors than before, take a look: http://paste.debian.net/index.php |
| 20:08 | <Nemoder> | ahhh |
| 20:09 | <lucas_amorim> | sorry... |
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| 20:09 | <lucas_amorim> | http://paste.debian.net/42021 |
| 20:09 | <Nemoder> | not a good idea to use library packages from other systems |
| 20:09 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: yeah |
| 20:09 | <lucas_amorim> | I see that now |
| 20:09 | <andrej> | i installed sth in wine and if i remove wine it will all go away ? |
| 20:10 | <lucas_amorim> | I should have looked for it on debian multimedia |
| 20:10 | <lucas_amorim> | now, how the hell I am going to solve this? |
| 20:10 | <simonrvn> | andrej: no |
| 20:10 | <Lucky> | Brief question: anybody here know of a channel where I might get some help with a Dell PERC 5/i RAID controller configuration? |
| 20:10 | <lucas_amorim> | : |
| 20:10 | <lucas_amorim> | :( |
| 20:10 | <Elrond> | How does one run apt-proxy via inetd? |
| 20:10 | <Nemoder> | andrej: it will be in ~/.wine |
| 20:10 | <andrej> | ok |
| 20:10 | <andrej> | thx! |
| 20:11 | <Nemoder> | lucas_amorim: not really sure, but it looks like you will have to manually fix the scripts |
| 20:11 | <lucas_amorim> | cant I just delete everything? |
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| 20:12 | <lucas_amorim> | I will be back in some minutes |
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| 20:13 | <franklin> | Elrond, not sure it's designed for that. |
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| 20:16 | <Elrond> | franklin - It doesn't really look like it is. I just hoped, I overlooked the hidden option. |
| 20:16 | <franklin> | Elrond, I just looked the manpage & README. |
| 20:17 | <Elrond> | franklin - Ist apt-proxy the "currently recommended thing" for the job? |
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| 20:20 | <franklin> | Elrond, I don't know. still i use it and like it because it's easy to setup, and it can import /var/cache/apt/*. I know there are quite a few others. |
| 20:21 | <gsimmons> | Elrond: Take a look at 'apt-cacher'. It can operate via inetd. |
| 20:21 | <Elrond> | franklin - Yeah, I found apt-cacher (can at least run in inetd, but keeps all *.deb in one single directory, not really fun.), apt-proxy (looks like the one being best maintained), and approx (haven't yet looked fully into it, but it doesn't seem to like inetd either). |
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| 20:23 | <franklin> | Elrond, I would be interested to get your feedback if you try apt-cacher |
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| 20:24 | <Elrond> | franklin - I started to use it and was scared away by the "one dir for all packages" approach. I found out about it, when I gave it a few twenty packages to import. |
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| 20:28 | <Elrond> | Hmm, the scariest config would be to use apt-proxy to store packages in a nice tree and let apt-cacher use symlinks. ;o) |
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| 20:35 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: End of my headache!! just fixed the probelm |
| 20:35 | <lucas_amorim> | problem* |
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| 20:36 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: debian:/var/lib/dpkg/info# cp zlib1g.postrm mjpegtools.postrm |
| 20:36 | <lucas_amorim> | debian:/var/lib/dpkg/info# dpkg -r mjpegtools |
| 20:36 | <lucas_amorim> | Now I am happy :) |
| 20:36 | <lucas_amorim> | hehe |
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| 20:37 | <Nemoder> | nice :) |
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| 20:38 | <Nemoder> | hopefully using a different post script won't leave files still cluttered on your drive |
| 20:38 | <Elrond> | franklin - Ahh, first good thing about apt-cacher: It happily imports *.deb, for which it doesn't have a "Packages"-entry. ;o) |
| 20:39 | <Nemoder> | lucas_amorim: although I imagine if you install and purge the official debian mjpegtools package it might clean that up |
| 20:39 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: I just realized that If i had done "alien package.rpm" none of those scripts should be there, but instead I did "alien --scripts package.rpm" and that is where it bring the rpm scripts to debian |
| 20:39 | <Nemoder> | ahh |
| 20:39 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: yes, i think so |
| 20:40 | <franklin> | Elrond, Importing packages is just so convenient (even with a good connexion ;) |
| 20:40 | <lucas_amorim> | then I looked inside that script zlib1g.postrm and I saw it was quite general. Thought it could be applied to that package. And indeed it did :) |
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| 20:42 | <lucas_amorim> | now I have got another issue to solve |
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| 20:43 | <Wood_Is_Good> | scenario:fx-62 processor, which image to download/ |
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| 20:43 | <lucas_amorim> | Where do i get mplayer widget? it is required for qdvdauthor |
| 20:44 | <Elrond> | franklin - I guess so. |
| 20:44 | <lucas_amorim> | it is not a dependency package. But, there is an option of choosing the encoder, and in the tutorial it chooses mplayer widget, but my copy of the software doesn't show thayt |
| 20:45 | <lucas_amorim> | I have got mplayer and mencoder installed |
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| 20:45 | <franklin> | Wood_Is_Good, fx-62 is likely to be 64bits compatible (i.e amd64), but i386 might be a safer choice (for some drivers and tools). |
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| 20:46 | <Golfgeo> | Hi all |
| 20:46 | <Wood_Is_Good> | ok, thanks for the info franklin, much obliged |
| 20:46 | <Wood_Is_Good> | cya |
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| 20:47 | <lucas_amorim> | that is the tutorial: http://qdvdauthor.sourceforge.net/guide/Basic.html |
| 20:47 | <Golfgeo> | Have to recompile my kernel since I'm running a new install on a Via Epia CPU and was wondering the following: |
| 20:47 | <lucas_amorim> | actually it is QMplayerWidget |
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| 20:49 | <Golfgeo> | The kernel source package states it has Debian improvements, yet the linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 states that they only apply agains the kernel deb package and not a prestine source from kernel.org. Can I infer then that they have been aplyed to the .deb kernel source?\ |
| 20:50 | <Elrond> | Good night people, thanks for listening. :-) |
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| 20:50 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: any guess? |
| 20:51 | <Nemoder> | sorry my system locked up, what did you ask? |
| 20:51 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: do you know wich package would supply QMplayerWidget |
| 20:51 | <lucas_amorim> | ? |
| 20:51 | <Nemoder> | is that a library? |
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| 20:53 | <Nemoder> | lucas_amorim: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:53 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: no, I do not know what it is exactely, but i saw mention to it here: http://qdvdauthor.sourceforge.net/guide/Basic.html |
| 20:53 | <lucas_amorim> | I am trying to use qdvdauthor |
| 20:54 | <lucas_amorim> | to create a VideoDVD |
| 20:54 | <Nemoder> | did you use the debian-multimedia.org package to install it? |
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| 20:55 | <lucas_amorim> | in its setup there is a encoder choice panel. I should choose the QMpalyerWidget as it is suggested by the tutorial above, but it is no there... |
| 20:55 | <lucas_amorim> | YUes I did |
| 20:55 | <lucas_amorim> | yes, i did |
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| 20:56 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: I have mplayer and mencoder installed. I think that this should do the job... |
| 20:56 | <Golfgeo> | So the question is: have the patches from linux-patch-debian-2.6.22(.deb) been applied to linux-source-2.6.22(.deb)? |
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| 20:56 | <lucas_amorim> | but apparentely something is missing |
| 20:58 | <Nemoder> | lucas_amorim: I really don't know, see if there is anything in /usr/share/doc/qdvdauthor about it |
| 20:58 | <lucas_amorim> | ok, thank you :) |
| 20:58 | <lucas_amorim> | do you have this package installed? |
| 20:59 | <Nemoder> | no |
| 20:59 | <lucas_amorim> | the problem is that when I try to add a video it adds but it gives an error image |
| 20:59 | <lucas_amorim> | no message |
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| 21:00 | <lucas_amorim> | ok, thank you anyway :) I will sleep, I will try to solve that tomorrow |
| 21:00 | <lucas_amorim> | :p |
| 21:00 | <lucas_amorim> | bye |
| 21:00 | <Nemoder> | I've only used avidemux |
| 21:00 | <lucas_amorim> | is that for creating dvd? |
| 21:00 | <Nemoder> | it can |
| 21:00 | <Nemoder> | but I don't think it can do any menus or anything, i've only used it for making VCDs |
| 21:01 | <lucas_amorim> | I was using devede, but the big problem is that i have to add each one of the 200 movies I want to add... one by one... |
| 21:01 | <lucas_amorim> | while qdvdauthor adds everything just by using ctrl-a |
| 21:02 | <lucas_amorim> | Nemoder: does it have a gui? |
| 21:02 | <Nemoder> | yes |
| 21:03 | <lucas_amorim> | I will have a try |
| 21:03 | <lucas_amorim> | :) |
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| 21:07 | <witte> | are there mirrors that have the testing netinstall images as well? cdimage.debian.org is really slow atm |
| 21:07 | <witte> | really slow = +/- 10kb/s |
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| 21:11 | <franklin> | witte, use would use the jigdo version. |
| 21:12 | <witte> | franklin: isn't that from teh same server? |
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| 21:13 | <franklin> | witte, yes. you could also try from |
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| 21:13 | <franklin> | witte, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 21:13 | <witte> | and it is for a hppa machine that i don't know at all (first time install) so i want to be sure everything is on the disk |
| 21:14 | <ranix> | hey all. I have X set up using the fbdev driver and it's working fine. I use the kernel framebuffer on the command line to show my monitor rotated 90 degrees so I can stand it up in portrait mode. How do I rotate X 90 degrees also? There are no instances of 'rotate' in man xorg |
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| 21:15 | <jclinton> | ranix: xrandr |
| 21:15 | <ranix> | thanks jclinton |
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| 21:17 | <witte> | ranix, there is also a grandr package which will give you a nice gui |
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| 21:21 | <ranix> | thanks witte |
| 21:21 | <ranix> | I see no grandr |
| 21:21 | <ranix> | apt-cache search grandr is empty |
| 21:21 | <franklin> | ranix, do you run Etch? |
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| 21:22 | <ranix> | yes, franklin |
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| 21:22 | <franklin> | ranix, ;) |
| 21:23 | <ranix> | the xrandr command seems to not work as expected when using the 'orientation' mode |
| 21:23 | <witte> | ranix: ah, grandr is indeed not in etch |
| 21:23 | <franklin> | ranix, you can still use command line (create two icons in you panel, with differents settings) |
| 21:23 | <witte> | franklin: this is the first time that i use jigdo, but it seems to be very usefull... |
| 21:24 | <ranix> | xrandr -o left fails |
| 21:24 | <witte> | thanks for reminding me that I had to read more about once upon a time ;-) |
| 21:24 | <franklin> | witte, especially if you want to track testing cd... not having to download the whole thing each time... |
| 21:25 | <ranix> | "xrandr -o left" throws an xerror to the comsole I try it in |
| 21:25 | <witte> | yes, and using the university repository for the udebs, and not the swedisch one makes that it is not removed from my bandwidth :-) |
| 21:26 | <franklin> | ranix, I think the xrandr support in etch is basic.. you can still google |
| 21:26 | <ranix> | is it better in Lenny? |
| 21:26 | <ranix> | Google is coming up with little relevance, otherwise I wouldn't be asking here |
| 21:27 | <franklin> | ranix, BTW it might be because of vesa driver. |
| 21:27 | <ranix> | I already said I'm not using the vesa driver, I'm using fbdev |
| 21:27 | <franklin> | ranix, gnome-randr-applet is in etch |
| 21:28 | <witte> | franklin: in fact i did not want to have the testing cd, stable would have been ok, but I got an error while installing that the cdrom couldn't be found, so I hope that a newer kernel will help... |
| 21:28 | <franklin> | ranix, sorry. |
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| 21:30 | <ranix> | how would one use gnome-randr-applet after apt-getting it? |
| 21:30 | <ranix> | there is no gnome-randr-applet command |
| 21:30 | <franklin> | ranix, is an applet to add to gnome's panel. |
| 21:31 | <franklin> | ranix, named "Display Geometry switcher". |
| 21:32 | <ranix> | I do not use the gnome applet and do not plan to, unfortunately |
| 21:32 | <ranix> | does Lenny have a better interface for xrandr? |
| 21:32 | <ranix> | I should expect "xrandr -o left" to succeed though |
| 21:32 | <ranix> | and do not know why it would not |
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| 21:33 | <franklin> | ranix, can you change resolution with randr ? |
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| 21:34 | <ranix> | yes |
| 21:35 | <franklin> | ranix, ranr in lenny has more features. it's just not as "stable". http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 21:36 | <ranix> | I will try upgrading to Lenny |
| 21:37 | <Shu> | does anyone know the package name for xvid? |
| 21:38 | <ranix> | libxvidcore4 maybe |
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| 21:38 | <franklin> | ranix, save your Xorg.conf (you might event want to purge xserver ... not sure though) |
| 21:38 | <ranix> | I hand edit xorg.conf so I'm not worried about it |
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| 21:39 | <faust> | Hi there! Are there any news about ftpmaster? Aka when will there be updates again? :-) |
| 21:39 | <franklin> | ranix, lenny's xorg autoconfigure many stuffs. |
| 21:40 | <ranix> | ok |
| 21:40 | <Shu> | hmm... |
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| 21:40 | <Shu> | libxvidcore4 didnt work |
| 21:40 | <franklin> | shu try VLC, maybe. |
| 21:40 | <ranix> | Shu: I was unaware you could get codecs from the package servers |
| 21:40 | <Shu> | you cant? |
| 21:40 | <ranix> | you might not be able to except in a player that comes with codecs like vlc |
| 21:41 | <Shu> | oh |
| 21:41 | <Shu> | okay |
| 21:41 | <Shu> | thanks for the info |
| 21:41 | <ranix> | I'm not sure though |
| 21:41 | <ranix> | so that's not real info |
| 21:41 | <ranix> | just notification of my incompetence |
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| 21:42 | <Shu> | hmm... |
| 21:42 | <Shu> | i tried to get VLC |
| 21:43 | <Shu> | but it gave me the error that vlc is not available |
| 21:43 | <Shu> | and is referred to by another package |
| 21:43 | <Shu> | anyone know why? |
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| 21:46 | <maxamillion> | Shu: you running lenny? i think it got pulled from the lenny repos because of stability issues or something |
| 21:47 | <Shu> | oh |
| 21:47 | <Shu> | im running lenny |
| 21:47 | <Shu> | ah well |
| 21:47 | <ameyer> | maxamillion: the switch from wxwidgets to qt perhaps? |
| 21:47 | <maxamillion> | Shu: yeah, if you search VLC on packages.debian.org it has vlc in etch and sid, but not lenny |
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| 21:48 | <maxamillion> | ameyer: its possible, i am not entirely sure |
| 21:48 | <Shu> | ah |
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| 21:48 | <ameyer> | I don't know what the status of that is, however |
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| 21:50 | <kurumin> | dqwqd |
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| 21:50 | <franklin> | ameyer, I think it had licence issues. now it's dependency problem. I run Etch one on lenny. |
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| 21:51 | <ameyer> | you could also use their repo</possibly_bad_idea> |
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| 22:41 | <Sakara> | hi all looking for the command to get the dialog from the installer that allows you to choose mail, web, file, desktop server |
| 22:41 | <gsimmons> | !tell Sakara -about tasksel |
| 22:41 | <Sakara> | thanks |
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| 23:02 | <ranix> | I got rotation working in X |
| 23:03 | <ranix> | had to not use the xrandr utility. Just used the Option "Rotation" "CW" in the Devices section of Xorg.conf with fbdev |
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| 23:03 | <Jihad> | Hi¡ |
| 23:06 | <Jihad> | good nigth |
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| 23:10 | <LuisMiguel> | hola |
| 23:10 | <LuisMiguel> | toi solo o_O |
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| 23:12 | <Jihad> | que luismi onde estas |
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| 23:20 | <Wood_Is_Good> | who wants to help a newb with server x problem? i put my resolution too high and now it wont start, i don't know how to turn it down |
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