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01:37<terabite>hello, i have question about compiling modules. Can anybody help?
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01:43<valdyn>!tell terabite -about ask
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01:45<terabite>i am testing a very simple "Hello World" Module. I built a kernel in my home directory (2.6.18). When I run make, I get:
01:46<terabite>make -C /home/terabite/linux/linux-source-2.6.18 M= modules
01:46<terabite>make[1]: Entering directory `/home/terabite/linux/linux-source-2.6.18'
01:46<terabite> CHK include/linux/version.h
01:46<terabite> CHK include/linux/utsrelease.h
01:46<terabite> Building modules, stage 2.
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01:47<terabite>oops didn't meen to flood
01:47<valdyn>!paste
01:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
01:47<terabite>oh ok sorry I am a noob
01:47<valdyn>terabite: this is probably offtopic too, try http://kernelnewbies.org or maybe ##kernel i think
01:47<terabite>ok sure will. Thanks a lot
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02:11<lili>ce_niez
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02:36<gpm>is it just me or have there not been many updates to sid lately?
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02:36<punsad>whoo! my beast of a server is working again!!
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02:39<punsad>how to restart inetd again?
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02:40<punsad>this place is dead
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02:53<hachi>during debootstrap I'm getting an error from dpkg:
02:53<hachi>W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/hachi/longjournal dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_4_amd64.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11_amd64.deb
02:53<hachi>but that's all it says
02:53<hachi>how can I debug this further?
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02:54<valdyn>!info base-files etch
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02:57<dpkg>base-files: (Debian base system miscellaneous files), section admin, is required. Version: 4 (etch), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 352 kB
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03:06<gpm>is it just me or have there not been many updates to sid lately?
03:06<Nemoder>see topic
03:07<gpm>oooh
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03:10<hachi>if my exact problem is reported in the debian bug tracking system, and the bug hasn't been touched by anyone but the initial reporter, and the ticket is from... july
03:10<hachi>am I really not supposed to post a message on the bug saying "Is there a workaround for this?"
03:11<hachi>I feel like it's bad form
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03:11<hachi>but the package maintainer has neither confirmed nor denied the bug
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03:19<hachi>how can I take an existing bug report and amend it to include an earlier version of the package named?
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03:23<gpm>so ries.d.o is having hardware issues? i wish them a speedy recovery
03:24<hachi>if I subscribe to a bugreport in the BTS, does my email address show up in the public view of the ticket?
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03:26<black_13_>how do fix "usplash: No usable theme found for 1024x768"
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03:53<black_13_>!dpkg -b
03:53<black_13_>!dpkg
03:53<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>
03:53<black_13_>!apt howto
03:53<dpkg>hmm... apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or aptitude install apt-howto-en
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04:20<shevek>What does it mean when the BTS claims bugs to be "From other Branch"?
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04:21<jon_kare>you're running testing and bug reported against stable, I suppose
04:21<jon_kare>(e.g.)
04:22<shevek>Well, I'm just looking up some bugs on the site, and most of them are "from other branch". Some of them, but not all, seem to be closed in unstable, indeed.
04:23<shevek>In fact, most don't seem to be closed.
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04:25<shevek>And they are in the current unstable version, too...
04:25<jon_kare>You have to read up on what is considered "this" branch.
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04:26<jon_kare>probably sid, that's where bugs are normally closed
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04:27<shevek>When I ask for all bugs in the affected package, I get the bug, but it's no longer "from other branch". It only shows like that when I ask for bugs by maintainer
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04:31<hachi>anyone know if fakechroot is unmaintained anymore or something?
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04:36<riboflavin>hello
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04:38<riboflavin>im using debian that have one ethernet port (eth0) and internet connection from 3g connection (ppp0) ..i try to share the internet connection with my other machine, using freebsd 6.2.
04:38<riboflavin>however until now i cannot make it right
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04:39<riboflavin>eth0 set to 192.168.0.1
04:39<riboflavin>and my freebsd set the gateway to 192.168.0.1
04:39<shevek>hachi: It shouldn't be: it has a maintainer, and there is no orphan bug in the BTS for it.
04:39<hachi>last time the subversion repo was touched was may of this year
04:39<shevek>hachi: Oh, you mean upstream. Well, could be...
04:40<hachi>there is no upstream
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04:40<hachi>it's a debian program
04:40<shevek>riboflavin: You do have a connection locally?
04:41<shevek>hachi: Ah. Well, then it may be in perfect order, so no changes were needed. ;-) More likely, it really is unmaintained, but the maintainer forgot to file the orphanage bug.
04:42<riboflavin>shevek: what do you mean locally?u mean in my debian machine?yes
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04:43<hachi>weird question, does apt-mirror work well yet? I used it like 8 months ago but it would always hang connections at weird times
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04:43<shevek>riboflavin: I mean can you use the connection itself? If so, you probably just need to enable forwarding.
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04:44<shevek>riboflavin: That seems to be done in /etc/sysctl.conf
04:44<shevek>Or you can check if it is the problem with "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
04:44<shevek>"
04:45<shevek>(I think, I didn't check)
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04:47<hachi>apt-proxy I guess
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05:00<shevek>hachi: I'm using it, and it works well on some machines, and not on others. I don't know what the difference between them is.
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05:05<hachi>debootstrap++ # one more reason to not use RH
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05:29<bizio>chi usa etch?
05:29<bartm>bizio: here english please
05:30<bizio>I was wondering how many of you are using etch
05:30<bartm>I stopped counting around 20000 :)
05:31<bizio>:)
05:31<bizio>bartm: what do you think is the best window manager i could use on debian?
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05:32<bartm>bizio: no idea, I guess you'll have to try them
05:32<bartm>bizio: I guess that accepting the default choices in the installer are a reasonable start
05:35<bizio>I'm using gnome, but Window Maker seems really amazing in how you can manage it.
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06:12<Clumsy_Root>greetings
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06:21<gcs>Please advice me a good MailingList software, not MailMan.
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06:24<gsimmons>gcs: Try some of the other packages returned from a "apt-cache search mailing list manager" query.
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06:26<gcs>gsimmons: Thanks, already know about Sympa and Ecartis, but I need advice. What others use, is it working good, without security bugs, easy to upgrade and so on.
06:26<gcs>gsimmons: In short, I don't want just pick one, but ask what others may know/like about others.
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06:40<david>hola
06:41<gsimmons>gcs: Try asking on the debian-user ML if you receive no recommendations here. There's a thread about this ("Mailing-list recommendation") in the August 2004 archives. FYI, lists.debian.org uses SmartList.
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06:41<Guest279>alguien que hable español?
06:41<gsimmons>!es
06:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
06:41<gcs>gsimmons: Thanks!
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06:47<padski>adding a button to a blank spreadsheet in oocalc in lenny seems to be enough to crash oocalc. at least on ppc, is it the same on i386 ?
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06:50<fxiny>padski: what button ?
06:51<padski>fxiny: a forms button. press form design. add a button. press form design again. boom
06:52<padski>fxiny: you probably need the form design toolbar first :-)
06:53<fxiny>got it : how to add ?
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06:55<padski>fxiny: click on the button for 'button'. cursor changes. drag out a rectangle on the spreadsheet
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06:56<fxiny>millions of icons :)
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06:57<padski>eighth along
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07:03<fxiny>form design toolbar shows 15 icons : none called "button"
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07:03<padski>on a windows box here I have GoOo build. although it doesn't crash, that can't get it right either :-(
07:04<f6gur>hello
07:04<padski>fxiny: apologies, imprecise instructions. the toolbar where the eighth button has the tooltip "push button"
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07:05<padski>fxiny: and it is called "form controls" not "form design"
07:05<padski>fxiny: sorry!
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07:05<fxiny>found it
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07:06<padski>fxiny: the second button along is the "design mode on/off"
07:06<fxiny>padski:view > toolbar > forma control not design
07:06<fxiny>forms*
07:06<padski>fxiny: yes
07:07<fxiny>push button > rectangle > is fine :)
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07:07<fxiny>it works
07:07<padski>fxiny: now when I press "design mode on/off" to get to off, boom!
07:08<padski>fxiny: it doesn't crash on i386 ?
07:08<fxiny>nope
07:08<padski>:-(
07:08<fxiny>padski: i've taken all toolabrs off . a gray rectangle still there
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07:09<fxiny>padski: i'm using etch/gnome oocalc
07:09<gregor>hi, I'm looking for someone who has experience with wireless cards in debian, especially with ipw2200 and/or laptop hp nx8220
07:09<padski>fxiny: thanks, its one more data-point.
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07:10<gsimmons>!tell gregor -about ipw2200
07:10<fxiny>padski: ok
07:12<gregor>gsimmons, it's short but MAYBE it will work. http://guide.debianizzati.org/index.php/Debian_on_an_HP_nx8220 - on this addr i found some tutorial to make my wireless card work and it's a bit different. :>
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07:14<enkrypt>seriously, several days without debian updates... this is terror :(
07:14<sooperkuh>heh enkrypt ... i can sympathise
07:15<fxiny>terror ? is a dream :)
07:15<sooperkuh>but it seems ftp-master is somewhat alive again
07:15<sooperkuh>fxiny: how so?
07:15<enkrypt>yes I noticed
07:15<bartm>sooperkuh: yes, uploading works, but the uploads are not yet processed
07:15<fxiny>sooperkuh: several ? lemme check my last etch update
07:15<enkrypt>incoming.debian gives me "forbidden, you don't have permission blabla"
07:16<bartm>fxiny: it's true, several
07:16<bartm>ftp://ftp-master.debian.org/pub/UploadQueue
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07:16<sooperkuh>almost a week ...
07:16<bartm>and counting
07:16<fxiny>lats time was perl on the 071107 : 4 days
07:17<fxiny>pcre the day before then libperl5.8 perl perl-base perl-doc perl-modules perl-suid
07:17<sooperkuh>i wonder what will happen as soon as the new packages rush in ..
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07:17<enkrypt>hehe
07:17<padski>if nothing else, it is bad news because security releases are made harder. seems much more important than a few updates to sid.
07:18<fxiny>071030 > dhcp-client so what ? easy life :)
07:19<fxiny>at least for me sitting on etch :)
07:19<gsimmons>gregor: Both your provided tutorial and dpkg's factoid refer to the same procedure: installing firmware downloaded from ipw2200.sf.net and then loading the ipw2200 module.
07:19<sooperkuh>padski: yes, of course ... strange though it took so long to bring the machine back up
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07:19<padski>fxiny: Ooo-calc in gutsy on i386 does exactly the same crash.
07:19<fxiny>stable ahhhh is so stable : you sid users are all shacking :P
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07:21<fxiny>padski: gutsy and winblows ? hahahah i love your *good* news , anyone can say the same about fetora ? :)
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07:23<padski>fxiny: I have said I will port an extremely simple excel spreadsheet to oocalc. it is very disappointing to find simple stuff like this that doesn't work.
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07:23<fxiny>padski: i'd use gnumeric for spreadsheets . oo can't load some big excel spreads
07:24<padski>fxiny: and more than a bit depressing that it works "better" (cos it still breaks there) on windows
07:24<fxiny>gnumeric is a world class spredsheet
07:24<padski>fxiny: the final result has to work on windows, linux and OSX
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07:25<fxiny>padski: excel 97 works on wine but again gnumeric can load most of the more complicated excel spreads
07:25<padski>fxiny: the whole point of the work is to get off of proprietary software.
07:25<fxiny>padski: i know that
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07:26<fxiny>padski: i said wine just to shows gnumeric can load very big spreads
07:26<fxiny>to show*
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07:27<jcarlos>Hi, I've got a problem with my dpms settings not being enforced
07:27<padski>fxiny: I'll take another look at gnumeric, but I already looked once and gave up on it.
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07:29<padski>fxiny: this is one ofhttp://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/win32/ the things that put me off:
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07:30<fxiny>padski: i agree with you
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07:30<padski>fxiny: but I see from http://www.gnome.org/~jody/gnumeric/win32/ that there are recent builds
07:31<padski>fxiny: will gnumeric handle ods files ?
07:31<fxiny>padski: ods ?
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07:34<padski>fxiny: this iso standard format that ooo and koffice use, the spreadsheet of that
07:34<fxiny>padski: firing it up
07:35<padski>how do I put a button on a spreadsheet in gnumeric ?
07:35<padski>fxiny: it seems to have save as to OpenDocument
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07:36<fxiny>padski: i just opened a 9.8 MB 40 sheets excel spreadshet full of graph without ptoblems . i don't even think to do it on oocalc
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07:38<fxiny>padski: save as shows me many formats . one is openoffice OASIS
07:38<padski>fxiny: so I could put my button on the spreadsheet in excel and then open it in gnumeric ;-)
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07:38<fxiny>padski: this is a 40 ! sheets very complicated excel spreads
07:39<fxiny>gnumeric loads it very fast
07:39<padski>fxiny: can I consider very complicated after I find a button that works ?
07:40<fxiny>padski: no idea about buttons , i don't have buttons on this one
07:42<fxiny>padski: anyway : if someone sends you a windows spread you migh have problems opening on oocalc . having gnumeric at hand is safe
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07:43<fxiny>i remember gnumeric back in 98
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07:46<fxiny>padski: i want to be honest : i have a bzip2 wine/excel97 around just in case , i keep wine 0.0.20041019-1 version on hold for using it . is tarballed since ages and stay tarballed thanx to gnumeric not thanx to oo
07:48<fxiny>any spreads user should know how gnumeric is good
07:48<lupine_85>fxiny: does it have variable y-axis error bars yet?
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07:51<fxiny>lupine_85: i heard already this question : do you remember gnumeric back in 96-98 ?
07:51<lupine_85>nope
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07:52<padski>fxiny: I remember it when it started. I'm sure it used to have buttons :-)
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07:54<fxiny>padski: have a look at it know :)
07:56<gregor>someone said that firmware 3.0 for ipw2200 wireless card doesn't work on latest debian kernel. is there anyone who can approve that?
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07:58<Geekonors>hi all
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07:58<Geekonors>analucia u speak french
07:59<fxiny>oo gets all hype but i do respect gnumeric . on a linux desktop there are only two choices when it comes to work wiht *big* microsoft spreads : wine or gnumeric . we all know oo progress but we all forget gnumeric and is very bad
07:59<Eulex>!fr
07:59<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
07:59<Geekonors>thanks
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08:01<gsimmons>gregor: I'm not aware of any issues. The v3.0 firmware is appropriate for ipw2200 driver/module versions 1.1.1 and up (Debian Etch's 2.6.18 kernel contains v1.1.2kmq).
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08:02<gregor>okay, thanks for your answer. somehow I'm having a lot of problems getting this thing to work but I guess I'll manage it somehow
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08:07<padski>trying to load the (very simple) ods I wrote on windows ... boom!
08:09<gregor>gsimmons: can I paste you 3 lines of code? I'm getting some error while trying to apt-get install hotplug.
08:09<fxiny>padski: on oo ?
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08:10<padski>fxiny: oo goes bang. gnumeric complains but doesn't go bang. no button. kspread says nothing, doesn't go bang, no button. :-(
08:11<gsimmons>gregor: Uh, why are you installing hotplug?
08:11<padski>fxiny: I'd reboot to try it on the gutsy oo, but I have a ffair idea what would happen
08:11<gregor>because dpkg says so when I'm asking about informations for ipw2200
08:11<gregor>:>
08:11<fxiny>padski: gnumeric complains ? anything missing ?
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08:12<gsimmons>!ipw2200
08:12<dpkg>You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>
08:12<gsimmons>gregor: udev _or_ hotplug. If you're using Etch, you have udev already installed.
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08:13<padski>fxiny: gnumeric complains: Invalid attribute 'family', unknown enum value 'graphic'
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08:13<padski>fxiny: none of the linux spreadsheets display the button :-(
08:13<gregor>gsimmons: well I tried both, so far nothing good happened. Can you explain me how to load the firmware with udev then? :o
08:13<fxiny>padski: any cahnce to load it somewhere so i can check it on my box ?
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08:14<padski>fxiny: certainly. is there somewhere I can paste a binary ? (dunno why it is binary, shouldn't it be xml ?)
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08:15[~]lupine_85 huggles R
08:16<fxiny>padski: can i pm you a mail address ?
08:16<gsimmons>gregor: Have you downloaded ipw2200-fw-3.0.tgz from ipw2200.sf.net, extracted the tarball's contents and transferred the *.fw files to /lib/firmware?
08:16<gregor>yes.
08:16<gsimmons>gregor: Is the ipw2200 module loaded? ("lsmod | grep ipw2220")
08:17<robo>hi, what is the status of gnome 2.20 in sid? is it usable?
08:17<padski>fxiny: I have figured out how to get xml out. gimme a second ...
08:17<fxiny>padski: nice :)
08:17<gregor>gsimmons: now it is, but there's nothing showing up when i write this in terminal
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08:18<gsimmons>gregor: I'm sorry, that should have been "lsmod | grep ipw2200".
08:18<padski>fxiny: but when I open it, it displays (or tries to import) as text !
08:19<sooperkuh>robo: it is perfectly usable
08:19<gregor>gsimmons: I don't understand. :) you wrote the same command and I wrote the same command. :)
08:19<sooperkuh>i use it every day, not a single flaw
08:20<robo>sooperkuh: and what's the deal with some packages still on 2.18? in the past I've used to wait until the gnome meta package bumps version
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08:20<gsimmons>gregor: There were differences in my two lsmod commands (the first contained an error). Use the last one provided.
08:21<gregor>tru.dat :>
08:21<gregor>gsimmons: loaded, I guess. :)
08:21<sooperkuh>robo: there are only very minor things missing .. the transition is almost complete since several weeks
08:21<gregor>gsimmons: 3 lines of text showed up
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08:21<sooperkuh>http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.20-status.html
08:21<robo>sooperkuh: ok, thanks.. i'll upgrade
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08:22<fxiny>padski: you can save/export as csv/txt/html but then it stays as txt :)
08:22<gregor>btw gsimmons: I have *.fw files in /lib/firmware/ipw2200-fw-3.0/ and not only in /lib/firmware/. I hope this is right.
08:22<robo>see you in gnome 2.20 :)
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08:22<gsimmons>gregor: No, it's not. Move them to /lib/firmware.
08:23<padski>fxiny: it gets better. if I open the .fods doc from the recent docs menu, it displays as spreadsheet, if I open it from File>Open it displays as text! :-)
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08:24<padski>fxiny: I think ooo2 is even more dangerous than ooo1. at least with ooo1 you could see at a glance that it was a pile of kack
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08:24<gregor>gsimmons: done.
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08:25<fxiny>padski: recent is a link to the real file
08:25<chrisli>hallo zusammen
08:25<gsimmons>gregor: Run "modprobe -r ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200", just to be sure. After that, install the 'wireless-tools' package and run "iwconfig". A wireless network interface should be available to you.
08:25<padski>fxiny: clearly there is something else going on.
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08:27<gregor>gsimmons: I already have wireless-tools installed. I did what you said, tried iwconfig but the result is: lo - no wireless extensions, eth1 - no wireless extensions, sit0 - no wireless extensions
08:28<gregor>of course wireless card is turned ON.
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08:28<padski>fxiny: see http://rafb.net/p/VOr5fy21.htm
08:28<gsimmons>gregor: Can you provide the contents of the commands "lspci" and "dmesg | tail" at a paste site?
08:28<gsimmons>!paste
08:28<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
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08:29<padski>fxiny: sorry, that should be .html
08:29<chrisli>kann mir jemand helfen habe neue rechnerarchektur nun läuft mein knoppix nicht mehr
08:29<gsimmons>gregor: s/contents of/contents returned from/
08:30<gregor>gsimmons: just a sec.
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08:31<gregor>gsimmons: http://paste.debian.net/42072 -> lspci command.
08:32<BBoyDanny>hi all :)
08:32<gregor>gsimmons: http://paste.debian.net/42073 -> dmesg | tail command.
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08:34<sooperkuh>chrisli: a) hier geht es um debian, nicht knoppix b) dieser kanal ist in englisch
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08:35<chrisli><sooperkuh>danke wie oder wo finde ich den richtigen kanal
08:35<Maulkin>!de
08:35<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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08:36<gsimmons>gregor: Thanks. There appears to be an issue during loading of the firmware by the ipw2200 module. Does "ls -l /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw" return anything?
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08:37<gregor>gsimmons:
08:37<gregor>debian:/lib/firmware# ls -l /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw
08:37<gregor>-rw-r--r-- 1 gregor users 191142 2006-03-07 20:49 /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw
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08:39<vir182>I can't play any sound for my sound hard since a recent upgrade (unstable). i have an INTEL ICH7 sound card - (module snd_hda_intel). the module is loaded on startup, kmix (KDE) shows the controls. but when i call alsamixer i get "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory". i have no clue if this is udev related (missing entry in one of the device) or alsa sound problems. any suggestion?
08:40<flami>!tell flami about hi
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08:42<zapata>Does anyone know how to put some system information to the desktop?
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08:44<cahoot>vir182: even as root?
08:45<vir182>never tried but all sound devices have audio user rw and my user is in audio group
08:45<vir182>cahoot: doesnt work as root either
08:45<cahoot>vir182: the device is listed in /proc/asound/cards?
08:46<vir182>cahoot: the devices seem to be here .. at least /dev/snd contains controlC0 pcmC0D0c etc
08:46<vir182>cahoot: yep, show up as HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
08:46<cahoot>vir182: see if invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 does help
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08:47<cahoot>vir182: then test sound using aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
08:48<vir182>cahoot: still same error
08:48<vir182>aplay: main:546: audio open error: No such file or directory
08:48<vir182>aplay --list device shows my the card
08:49<gregor>gsimmons: is the problem bigger than we thought?
08:49<cahoot>vir182: I'd try invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload unless already done
08:49<gsimmons>gregor: Please execute "/lib/firmware/ipw2200*" and provide the output returned at a paste site.
08:49<gsimmons>gregor: Sorry, please execute "md5sum /lib/firmware/ipw2200*" and provide the output returned at a paste site.
08:49<vir182>cahoot: i do not know if this is related choosing the right "snd-hda-intel" model. because i googled since 4 yhours before i came here and some people fixed the problem by choosing a different model
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08:50<cahoot>vir182: but it did work before upgrade?
08:50<gregor>gsimmons: http://paste.debian.net/42074
08:51<vir182>cahoot: no clue - i havent used it for ages. i just noticed it after the upgrade because the audio card did show up anymore. changed the model to "ref" then the audio card shows up again. and now when i test no sound at all
08:52<vir182>cahoot: was that "invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload" or "invoke-rc.d alsa-utils force-reload"? because i have not alsa in /etc/init.d
08:52<cahoot>vir182: the last resort would be some module option listed in ALSA-Configuration.txt
08:54<vir182>cahoot: the strange thing is that the card shows up, aplay can list it, the devices entries are created by udev. the only thing i can not do is playing anything. and the aplay error just gave me a thing that maybe udev missed one of the enrties
08:54<cahoot>vir182: ok there's an /etc/init.d/alsa in lenny (at least here as it's upgraded from etch)
08:54<vir182>cahoot: can you tell me from which package it is?
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08:55<cahoot>vir182: alsa-base (don't know if it's obsoleted)
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08:56<cahoot>seems to be according to p.d.o
08:56<vir182>cahoot: yep, seems to be removed
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08:57<cahoot>vir182: if udev handles the module it seems to have done its job
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08:57<cahoot>since you do have the entries in /dev/snd
08:57<vir182>cahoot: what are "normal" entries in there?
08:58<vir182>cahoot: i have: controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c pcmC0D1p timer
08:58<cahoot>looks as it should to me
08:59<vir182>i just wish alsa would not that complicate to configure.
08:59<cahoot>vir182: I think the problem is the device (hda-intel) - known to be problematic
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09:00<cahoot>i e the lasa-support might be flaky
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09:00<vir182>cahoot: maybe i really have to try all models by hand.
09:00<vir182>cahoot: thx for the help
09:01<cahoot>vir182: since you have the entry in /proc/asound the module is the one you need
09:01<cahoot>vir182: might need one module option listed in ALSA-Configuration.txt
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09:02[~]Marco_Antonio is away: Ausente por ahora.
09:02<vir182>cahoot: it is not the module. the snd-hda-intel has an option "model" which may have different values. before the upgrade i had no model --> soundcard did not show up at all. added entry "model=ref" and the card showed up at least
09:02<cahoot>that's what I meant above
09:02<vir182>cahoot: yep. i just wish i could change the models without rebooting
09:02<vir182>damn hard ot unload the module for me. i cant figure out how to do that
09:03<cahoot>just reloading the module should do - not?
09:03<vir182>they seem to be used all the time by some processes
09:03<cahoot>aha - fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
09:03<alex>hi guys
09:03<cahoot>artsd?
09:04<vir182>cahoot: where is the file ALSA-Configuration.txt? found it on internet but if it is on the system it is easier for me
09:04<vir182>cahoot: yep
09:04<cahoot>kill artsd and try aplay
09:05<vir182>cahoot: want artsd ... i disabled that. kmix, ksysguard and kicker
09:05<vir182>err was not
09:05<vir182>artsd never worked will in kombination with mplayer
09:06<cahoot>vir182: disable it in control center else it will resurrect itself I think
09:07<padski>not if you put a stake through its heart
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09:08<cahoot>garlic no good?
09:08<padski>beheading is more certain ;-)
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09:09<fxiny>yeahhhh garlic !
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09:10<gsimmons>gregor: Try a later ipw2200 driver than what's included in the 2.6.18 mainline kernel. "modprobe -r ipw2200 && aptitude install ipw2200-modules-`uname -r` && modprobe ipw2200". You'll then be using 1.2.0mq. Run iwconfig after that.
09:10<fxiny>arts is infected by the vintage solanum viruz :P
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09:10<cahoot>potatoe?
09:11<fxiny>ancient egyptian zombie agent ;)
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09:15<fxiny> question : will etch get some 3.0+ firebug/icewilly version in the future ?
09:16<gregor>gsimmons: oh my god, it's working! :D
09:16<padski>fxiny: icewilly ?
09:16<gsimmons>gregor: Ah, good to hear.
09:16<gregor>gsimmons: here's the result: http://paste.debian.net/42078
09:17<gregor>eth2 detected
09:17<fxiny>padski: yeahhh , icewilly is sexier ;)
09:17<fxiny> cause firebug 3.0b1 seems to open gmail quickly
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09:18<padski>I tried to get Email::Send::Gmail to work the other day, but couldn't :-(
09:18<Eulex>fxiny, uh, etch won't. lenny might.
09:19<gregor>gsimmons: thank you for your help! I hope I can manage it by myself from now on.. :D
09:19<gsimmons>gregor: np
09:20[~]gregor sends 24 virtual beers to gsimmons
09:20[~]fxiny does the man in the middle dance
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09:29<fxiny>Eulex: never mind : atm firebug 3.0b1 refuse to start :P
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09:30<fxiny>thinks is already running : i wonder where it hides this info cause ps aux shows me is dead !
09:30[~]Marco_Antonio is back.
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09:36<jacopo>Hello, I've an external HD NTFS if I mount it in /media/diskNTFS the directory owner is root if I run chmod -R 777 diskNTFS or chown -hR jacopo:jacopo diskNTFS
09:37<jacopo>the directory owner is not change
09:37<BBoyDanny>jacopo®have you checked /etc/fstab entries for that hdd?
09:38<BBoyDanny>add "users" flag if it is not already present ;)
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09:39<jacopo>o yes! now it work! tnx
09:39<jacopo>:)
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09:39<BBoyDanny>np =)
09:40<BBoyDanny>btw, don't use 777 as global permission on a hard drive ;)
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09:40<jacopo>why?
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09:41<dijz>Hi, how I can read .pub file in Debian?
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09:42<drauf>hallo
09:42<drauf>jemand Online
09:42<drauf>?
09:42<Maulkin>No
09:42<avu>!de
09:42<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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09:43<drauf>thx
09:43<dijz>!.pub
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09:45<sooperkuh>dijz: what is a .pub file?
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09:46<black_13_>i have just installed debian splash and it almost works
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09:47<black_13_>while loading i get this black screen with a bunch of red dots then the debian slash starts loading
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10:04<_dude>hello, i'am trying to install debian etch, i want to use a mirror. But the autoconfigure DHCP process fails, my onbaord lan is nvidia RTL8201CL can i get this up before install?
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10:12<Maulkin>_dude: hi there, can you set up the network manually?
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10:12[~]tiCo hugs Maulkin
10:12<Maulkin>:)
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10:14[~]fxiny sends a shot to slashdot :P
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10:17<N1ghtCrawler>Hello, i got a problem with my proftpd server. It does not send me a welcome message when I connect to it. And I can't se any problem with the config. I tried to place a "welcome.msg" in my home folder without any sucsess.
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10:28<bandit>Might I ask a question about a shell script? ... having trouble with a test statement using a wild card.
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10:32<Maulkin>bandit: you can ask.
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10:38<bandit>Trying to test for the presence of any file ending with ogg extension using: if [ -f /home/mepis64/CBC-Radio/World-Report/incomplete/*.ogg ]; then
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10:39<bandit>Erro message is binary operator expected .... can't figure out what I'm doing wrong,
10:40<tomv>say is there a minimal X.org/unstable config example anywhere? I really like the autodetected stuff for everything but the xkbmap...
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10:41<tomv>bandit: if [ "*.ogg" != '*.ogg' ]? (or test for empty string if you have nullglob)
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10:47<jagerman>What's a good minipci wireless card to get?
10:48<jagerman>I have an ipw2100 right now, but I'm terribly annoyed that it disables C3 CPU mode and, as a result, kills battery life.
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10:51<bandit>thank you tomv I'll try this technique ... got to go now
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10:53<nisse>How can I find out what networks card and driver I am using?
10:54<BBoyDanny>nisse® lspci
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10:55<nisse>BBoyDanny: Thanks, man
10:55<jagerman>Is that a (R)?
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10:57<BBoyDanny>jagerman® yes :)
10:58<jagerman>BBoyDanny♥ great
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10:59<jagerman>However, my nickname is not a trademark at all
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11:00<walber_>hi guys
11:00<walber_>compilling hydra
11:00<walber_>but
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11:02<walber_>when start xhydra and use this command
11:02<walber_>msg-error
11:02<walber_>** ERROR **: file callbacks.c: line 544 (popen_re_unbuffered): should not be reached
11:02<walber_>aborting...
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11:03<walber_>somebody help me?
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11:06<walber_>?
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11:09<N1ghtCrawler>Witch is the best ftp server for a very small site? max 10 users or so.
11:09<hispafuentes>hola
11:10<hispafuentes>HOLA
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11:10<JasonS>!ftp
11:10<dpkg>from memory, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine.
11:11<JasonS>heh not very helpful
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11:11<JasonS>informative mind you
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11:12<BlackSerpent>I have a question: I have a fast CPU which is mostly not in use.
11:12<S3v3N>Hello. I'm logged in with root. How do I check my computer specifications? cat /proc and then? I forgot...
11:12<BlackSerpent>I want to share it. I know there is a way
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11:13<BlackSerpent>I once heard of a group of computers that share their free CPU time for others to take
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11:14<N1ghtCrawler>BlackSerpent thinking about folding@home
11:14<N1ghtCrawler>helping to fight cancer.
11:14<BlackSerpent>something like that
11:14<BlackSerpent>where can I find the information?
11:15<JasonS>you go to thier website and install thier client i presume
11:15<cahoot>S3v3N: dmidecode if you are really curious
11:15<BlackSerpent>what's the website url?
11:15<N1ghtCrawler>http://folding.stanford.edu/
11:16<BlackSerpent>that's what I'm looking for
11:16<S3v3N>cahoot: thanks.
11:16<BlackSerpent>I have a more general question, more like a wondering
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11:16<BlackSerpent>won't it be a good idea to have some kind of a general server?
11:17<JasonS>general server for what?\
11:17<BlackSerpent>I used to run Pov-ray, and raytracing took hours
11:17<BlackSerpent>it would have been great if there was a server that would allocate tasks for idle CPUs
11:18<BlackSerpent>just like the idea of folding@home, but general, which you can ask for CPU power yourself if you wish.
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11:24<N1ghtCrawler>Can someone explain for me how i make proftpd to send a welcome message to my client when i log on?
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11:28<naudiz>is there a KDE applet that is as good as Gnomes Network Mananger Applet for laptop WIFI connections ?
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11:29<cahoot>knetworkmanager?
11:29<naudiz>cahoot: aha ok
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11:30<Clumsy_Root>hi
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11:31<Clumsy_Root>i have an inquiry: is it possible to show the hard disk usage of running processes? not the cpu activity, i need disk usage
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11:31<naudiz>cahoot: how about kwifimanager ?
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11:32<libervisco>Hi
11:32<cahoot>sounds like a choice - I use wpa_supplicant
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11:32<libervisco>It says on distrowatch Debian Lenny has GNOME 2.20 in it already, is that true?
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11:33<betty>hallo
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11:34<betty>hallo
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11:34<jolante>hallo
11:34<betty>hy joli
11:35<jolante>hy betty
11:35<betty>noch jemand hier
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11:35<jolante>wohl niocht
11:35<JasonS>!de
11:35<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
11:35<jolante>schön nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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11:35<jolante>mit der hilfe
11:36<betty>genau
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11:36<betty>na gut bin auch weg by by jolnate
11:36<jolante>by bety
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11:37<libervisco>bah where can I get the official package list for all Debians?
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11:37<libervisco>Enough wandering around third party sites for that :P
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11:39<JasonS>libervisco: www.debian.org
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11:39<libervisco>yeah, that's easy to browse :P
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11:40<libervisco>Seriously that site needs an update, badly.. and I remember Sam was talking about it quite a while ago..
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11:40<libervisco>I mean an overhaul
11:42<libervisco>hmm well, thanks JasonS.. looks like 2.20 is in.. "gnome-common (2.20.0-1)"
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11:42<black_13_>are the initscripts run before the login process?
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11:43<naudiz>cahoot: iwconfig is the best way to configure a WIFI connection from the command line ?
11:45<cahoot>naudiz: no idea what the 'best' method is - I just run wpa_supplicant
11:45<naudiz>cahoot: ok
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11:46<naudiz>cahoot: I'm thinking of switching my UI to E17 but I want a applet for it that can handle WIFI network connections
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11:47<cahoot>ok - good luck
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11:59<nisse>Is it possible to change the MAC address in Debian?
11:59<sooperkuh>nisse: sure
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11:59<sooperkuh>ifconfig does this
11:59<nisse>ah.. thanks
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12:04<Clumsy_Root>should debian be supposed to run mpeg-1 videos out of the box?
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12:06<Ikarus>Clumsy_Root: depends on what box :P
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12:07<Clumsy_Root>yeah, never mind, got it working under gstreamer
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12:07<Clumsy_Root>can't seem to make them run properly under xine tho'... oh well
12:08<Clumsy_Root>i stand corrected, apparently i just had to update my libs.
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12:13<rkos>Eulex, are you there?
12:13<rkos>yesterday we left off at me giving you some pastebin stuff
12:14<rkos>http://pastebin.com/m38736e2d
12:14<rkos>that one i think
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12:19<Clumsy_Root>any way to monitor hard disk access on a per-process basis?
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12:39<abrotman>Clumsy_Root: maybe atop
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12:41<Clumsy_Root>tried that, i had little luck
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12:42<rkos>so yeah, im having this problem with my zlib not being compatible with my libfreetype or something like that
12:42<rkos>anyone can help with that?
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12:44<cahoot>Clumsy_Root: echo 1 >> /proc/sys/vm/block_dump and dmesg?
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12:49<Clumsy_Root>i see. useful
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12:49<Clumsy_Root>thanks a lot buddy, i can debug this rig now :)
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12:54<Clumsy_Root>hmm, i see a bonanza of kjournald activity
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13:10<Golfgeo>Hi all, a general question: the /tmp dir is memory kept in "RAM", right?
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13:10<jcarlos>hi, my laptop screen doesn't turn off despite having the option DPMS on in xorg.conf...
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13:12<jcarlos>Golfgeo: I don't think /tmp is kept in RAM at all
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13:13<Golfgeo>jcarlos, just confirmed that :-(
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13:14<jcarlos>Golfgeo: why?
13:14<Golfgeo>Had another disk crap out on me yesterday, the thrid one in four years
13:14<black_13>can the /etc/init.d/rc script be modified to send all the output from the runscripts to a file (or /dev/null)
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13:14<Golfgeo>Looking to get some of those pesky write to disk every n seconds to write to ramdisk so to spare my harddrive
13:14<radek>hallo
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13:15<jcarlos>Golfgeo: I guess you could mount /tmp in a ramfs
13:15<Guest310>is here someon from poland??
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13:16<Maulkin>!pl
13:16<dpkg>methinks pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
13:16<radek_>thx
13:16<Golfgeo>jcarlos, I knew that /tmp was creaned on every boot, so I was wondering if that was that ramdisk space, but there is a default dir that uses ramdisk
13:16<Golfgeo>*cleaned
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13:17<Golfgeo>just did a df and saw: /lib/init/rw
13:17<Golfgeo>hmm
13:17<Golfgeo>brb
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13:17<jcarlos>Golfgeo: the thing is that /tmp contents get wiped (or can be wiped) at every reboot
13:17<jcarlos>Golfgeo: but it's not in RAM
13:17<jcarlos>Golfgeo: as I said, you could mount it in a ramfs
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13:19<Golfgeo>jcarlos, I know I could mount it in... But for now I only need the default ramdisk directory name so I can just drop the files there (like ntp drift file (every min. rewriten))
13:20<enkrypt>hmm
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13:21<Golfgeo>thanks people, gtg bbl
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13:22<JoshC>Hi everyone! I have a question.
13:22<jcarlos>does anybody know how to deal with the DPMS options in xorg.conf?
13:23<JoshC>How i can dump all incoming packets that comming on my network interface to the file or pipe?
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13:26<JoshC>Hey ppl, does any one can help?
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13:26<fxiny>JoshC: man tcpdump
13:26<JoshC>how to dump all incoming packets from network interface???
13:27<JoshC>GBY!
13:27<JoshC>Thanks!
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13:28<enkrypt>hmm
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13:29<fxiny>JoshC: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/558
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13:34<nikopol>good night...
13:34<nikopol>I have a problem with compiz-fusion running on debian sid 2.6.22-3-686 binary precompiled kernel and nvidia propietary drivers
13:35<nikopol>x systeum rans well until, in just moment, x go slow and only I can change kde x decorator to metacity
13:35<nikopol>any idea?
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13:39<BBoyDanny>nikopol® have you checked your free ram/swap status?
13:40<nikopol>BBoyDanny, yes, I have 2gb ddr2 ram, I think memory isn't the problem
13:40<BBoyDanny>mmmh
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13:40<BBoyDanny>lol
13:40<BBoyDanny>i think so
13:40<BBoyDanny>:)
13:41<BBoyDanny>btw, i've found compiz-fusion slower than the good old beryl one
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13:41<BBoyDanny>:)
13:41<nikopol>i think compiz run well over ubuntu for example, maybe on stable debian version go okay, right?
13:41<BBoyDanny>i've beryl currently running on sid and no problem at all
13:41<BBoyDanny>i also have compix-fusion
13:41<BBoyDanny>seems like no problem, but i dont use it for long time sessions :P
13:42<nikopol>umm but beryl had more problems, in my computer for example, if I enter in tty console, when I come back to x, system halt
13:42<BBoyDanny>O_o
13:42<BBoyDanny>mmmh
13:42<nikopol>well, system stop and i need restart xD
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13:42<nikopol>in beryl you see
13:42<BBoyDanny>have u tried to update nvidia drivers?
13:43<nikopol>yeah, isn't nvidia drivers, i think it's problem with motherboard chipset and other hard
13:43<nikopol>foxconn 955x7aa
13:43<nikopol>955 has some problems in linux i think
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13:44<nikopol>or I have bad luck...
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13:45<rares000>bah nobody's in#apache
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13:47<rares000>how do I send undeclared subdomains for all virtualhosts to the www domain
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13:58<Dannys>the nts-3g its single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs?
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14:00<glance>Anyone here know the planed eol for sarge?
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14:01<davem>I was just going to see who was on, but I can't get a "user" list?? am I doing something wrong or should I put in a command of some sort ??
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14:03<avtobiff>davem, who
14:04<davem>who me?? just a newbee, I'm researching setting up a DEB server etc, and though I would try out the IRC and the forums....
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14:07<mic>Hallo hat jemand ein paar gute Infos über IDS, die man in einem Vortrag verwenden kann?
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14:07<noflash>!de
14:07<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
14:07<hispafuentes>hello
14:07<hispafuentes>hello
14:08<hispafuentes>who
14:08<hispafuentes>whois
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14:08<mic>aaah ok. does somebody have some information about IDS which i can use in a presentation
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14:11<hispafuentes>HOI
14:11<hispafuentes>FBFB
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14:11<MALDITO>HELLO
14:11<crunchy>Am I doing something wrong or could be that no new package has arrived in unstable/experimental since 4th of november?
14:11<MALDITO>HELLO ANA LUCIA
14:13<Eulex>!es
14:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:13<Eulex>crunchy, ftp-master is down. see topic.
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14:14<crunchy>mic thanx
14:14<crunchy>Eulex: thanx
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14:17<davem>#who
14:18<davem>back soon
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14:29<mic>crunchy, ???
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14:30<crunchy>mic, sorry just a typo
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14:33<mic>ahh ok. I thougt I´ve missed something
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14:38<nikopol>bien
14:38<nikopol>godd, i'll try debian hurd
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14:51<N1ghtCrawler>How do I get a welcome message with proftpd? Google has not helped me much today :/
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14:58<solanaceo>Hi folks, let me ask you. I am noob to networking, after reading the how to, i would like to now if what i want do do is fine with this.
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14:59<solanaceo>I want a machine connected via modem (ppp1) to go through internet via ppp0 (already setup PPPoE)
14:59<college>does linux have system volume information on it like windows ????
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15:00<angryGhost>college: try alsamixer
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15:00<college>what is alsamixer
15:00<abrotman>angryGhost: he meant the harddrives i think
15:00<solanaceo>damn...
15:01<abrotman>college: what data are you looking for?
15:01<angryGhost>abrotman/college: sorry! look at gparted
15:01<college>I do not want any information recovered ever
15:02<abrotman>recovered from what?
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15:02<college>like if the police get my computers... i do not want them to het anything
15:02<college>get anything
15:03<abrotman>there's a program called shred .. but the police are smart .. i'm sure they can still get it back if they really want to
15:03<angryGhost>abrotman: shred is not enough. you can recover it with testdisk
15:03<crunchy>college, maybe you want LUKS to encrypt your filesystems?
15:04<college>is LUKS an app
15:04<abrotman>angryGhost: i just said that .. jeez
15:04[~]DanDare calls FBI to tell em about illegal college activity
15:04<college>?
15:04<DanDare>you know, college these days lot of criminals studying
15:05<college>?
15:05<angryGhost>abortman: didn't mean to hurt you
15:05[~]abrotman cries
15:05<DanDare>college, j/k about you afraid of "police"
15:05<college>i like my information secure
15:05<DanDare>way to go
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15:06<crunchy>college, http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto-disk-encryption-with-dm-crypt-luks-and-debian
15:07<college>what ? i want my information secure so i can rest at ease if one of my laptops gets stolen
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15:07<DanDare>college, start giving it a startup password in BIOS
15:08<Myon>erm
15:08<Myon>DanDare: you are not really helpful
15:08<graytron>:)
15:08<abrotman>stolen by the cops? :)
15:08<college>and its that easy?? cant they uninstall the bios
15:09<DanDare>Myon, well... its college that is suposed to say this to me not you
15:09<crunchy>college, that's the idea of LUKS (http://luks.endorphin.org/) It encrypts the data stored on your hard disc
15:09<DanDare>college, its easy to workaround about BIOS password but its a security action
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15:09<Myon>college: anyone can just rip the HD out of the laptop and read it elsewhere, so a bios password doesn't help (much)
15:10<DanDare>so you may want use all security resources, or just some, just a tought
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15:10<DanDare>even encrypted data can be discovered
15:10<DanDare>im wrong?
15:10<college>and how do i check my system for hackers that have goten in to my system
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15:11<DanDare>college, in linux as general?
15:11<college>yes
15:11<Myon>you can never tell for sure
15:11<Myon>but reading the syslog should give hints
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15:12<DanDare>i dunno if its up tp date but should be an start college: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO/ and http://www.linuxsecurity.com/
15:12<college>man i used to use windows xp 2 years ago and wow linux is the best
15:12<glorx>college, install 'tiger', it's a system-auditing tool that will run automatically and email you its findings.
15:13<college>that sounds nice :)
15:13<DanDare>indeed
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15:13<glorx>it works well. It tells you about strange files that it finds, network problems, security-related issues, etc.
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15:14<college>i herd that like 80% of hackers are from china
15:14<DanDare>chine is leading the hacking scene this is for sure
15:15<DanDare>and actually using for political pressure
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15:15<college>wow
15:15<knoppix_>witam
15:15<DanDare>i hope pentagon wont use Windows for an start
15:15<knoppix_>jest kto¶ z Polski ?
15:16<witte>!pl
15:16<dpkg>methinks pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
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15:16<Eulex>!knoppix
15:16<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
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15:16<college>bahahah i think they do
15:16<DanDare>maybe windows for general inside use, but even the servers? i doubt
15:17<Guest318>jest kots z Polski ?
15:17<college>yea its probably unix or linux
15:17<Guest318>i need help
15:17<witte>Guest318: go to #debian.pl for polish, or state your question in english here
15:17<college>what do you need help with
15:17<college>?
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15:18<college>guest318
15:18<Guest318>I'm new user system linux I ue lice CD knoppix and in some article was write that here you can jelp me
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15:18<college>ok what do you need help with
15:19<Guest318>I want to instal knoppix in my hard dics
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15:19<Guest318>I use keys atl+ctrl+F1
15:19<college>you should use ubuntu if you are a first timer
15:19<Guest318>and I write there
15:20<Guest318>knx-hdinstall.
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15:20<Guest318>but this command it not working
15:20<Eulex>Guest318, knoppix is off-topic in here.
15:20<Guest318>can you help me ?
15:20<college>guset do a privet chat with me
15:20<Eulex>Guest318, #knoppix on freenode can help you
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15:36<college>and i helped Guest 318
15:36<college>:)
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15:37<college>thank you all and i will try all the things you have told me to try.... thank you !
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15:50<volta>evening
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15:51<volta>got a problem with etch's tex/latex distribution
15:51<witte>volta: define problem
15:51<volta>i usually work with slanted fonts, that is \textsl{...}
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15:52<volta>but the output in the dvi file is normal text
15:53<witte>volta: just tested it on my sid box, and textsl works
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15:53<witte>please upload a minimal example to a pastebin
15:53<volta>it also used to work in sarge
15:54<witte>and have a look in your .log file
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15:54<witte>do you use texlive or tetex?
15:54<volta>tetex
15:54<volta>kile 1.9 as frontend
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15:55<witte>volta: upload an example and upload the log file to a pastebin
15:55<witte>!pastebin
15:55<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
15:55<volta>ok mom
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16:02<volta>http://pastebin.ca/770025 <-- tex and log
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16:03<denys-dch>bonjour, y a t il quelqu un sur ce tchat ?
16:06<witte>!fr
16:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
16:06<volta>www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~psrto/noslanted.dvi <-- that's the dvi file
16:06<denys-dch>ok je ferai cela plus tard, la je regarde comment ca fonctionne
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16:06<witte>volta: it works for me
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16:06<volta>in etch? :)
16:06<witte>volta: no, i do not have a etch box here
16:06<denys-dch>i copy an operator perhaps call witte
16:06<denys-dch>dou you read me ?
16:06<volta>k
16:07<denys-dch>i copy a othen operator volta
16:07<denys-dch>dou you read me
16:07<witte>denys-dch: what do you want?
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16:07<witte>volta: I can try to do it on a university server, but this will take a while, one moment
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16:08<volta>ok
16:08<denys-dch>good evening i am novice on knoppix and i check his chat system
16:08<witte>!knoppix
16:08<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
16:08<denys-dch>before i was on msn messenger
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16:09<denys-dch>ok excuse me i go to knoppix server
16:09<denys-dch>bye bye
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16:10<witte>volta: it works on etch as well, but I use texlive
16:10<denys-dch>ok
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16:14<witte>volta: tetex is not maintained (upstream) anymore, there is no reason in sticking to that anymore, I am not sure that it will be in lenny
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16:14<volta>ok
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16:16<volta>aha i commented the line \usepackage{mathptmx} and the slanted font is printed :D
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16:17<witte>volta: do you have tetex-extra installed?
16:18<volta>yup
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16:25<volta>anyway: thanks for you help witte; will install texlive asap :)
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16:25<witte>volta: texlive is also more modular and it contains much more latex packages per default
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16:30<mojonix>Hello, is this the right channel to ask newbie questions?
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16:31<witte>mojonix: if it is debian related: yes
16:31<simonrvn>just ask away
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16:31<mojonix>So I got one of the old toilet seat iBooks for free and decided to install debian on it..
16:31<mojonix>But it's slow as hell.
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16:31<mojonix>And so I'm hoping to optimize things a bit and see if I can't make it a bit more tolerable to use.
16:32<witte>mojonix: how much memory is in it?
16:32<mojonix>256mb
16:32<witte>mojonix: do you run a lightweight wm?
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16:32<witte>mojonix: meaning not gnome or kde?
16:33<mojonix>Uh, it looks like I'm running gnome, so I suppose that's the first thing to fix, eh?
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16:33<witte>mojonix: another thing is enabling dma on hard disk (but i do not know if you also need that on ppc)
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16:33<mojonix>Any recommendations on a lightweight window manager that doesn't gargle wang?
16:34<witte>mojonix: normally 256 MB should be enough for gnome, but you could use XFCE, Icewm or others (I use windowmaker, but that could seem not userfriendly at start)
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16:35<mojonix>Well, even simple web browsing seems very slow/chunky to me, so I imagine the more I can trim it down, the better. I'm basically using this machine as a web kiosk - playing kingdom of loathing, downloading bittorents, etcetera.
16:38<mojonix>So once I get XFCE installed, how do I switch to it from gnome?
16:39<hiroki>do you have gdm?
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16:39<hiroki>well, i suppose you do. close the session. in the login splash click on Session and select xfce
16:40<mojonix>witte: How do I check to see if DMA is enabled?
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16:44<toxy>mojonix:if you use the command: ~$ sudo hdparm /dev/hda there should be a line like "using_dma = 1 (on)"
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16:45<toxy>mojonix: either use sudo if you configured it or do it as root (without sudo at the beginning)
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16:45<nananuu>I'm a noob and i have a quetion how is named the bittorent programm
16:46<MadEchidna>Could someone please explain to me how I can make my PPP auto reconnect?
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16:46<mojonix>toxy: Hm, I apparently don't have hdparm
16:47<toxy>mojonix: well apt-get install hdparm ;-)
16:49<toxy>mojonix: as well as witte said i do not now exactly if dma is used on ppc the same way but i think you should give it a try
16:49<avu>it is
16:50<mojonix>Yeah, it says it's using DMA.
16:50<avu>(at least on my ibook g4, I have dma enabled and the setting available through hdparm just as on my i386 boxen)
16:50<avu>(also, I type too slowly)
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16:51<mojonix>Alright, back shortly (I hope) with XFCE.
16:51<mojonix>Thanks for all your help, everyone.
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17:00<chuy_max>is there a way to block access to certain websites in my LAN?
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17:05<mojonix>Back and running XFCE, does seem a bit peppier.
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17:05<mojonix>What other things might I do to improve performance?
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17:08<mojonix>mail
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17:11<mojonix>Anyone have any suggestions, or recommendations for places I might look?
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17:13[~]XtoX saluta tutti!!
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17:17<pedrox>aqui pedrox quien por alla
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17:32<Mr_Giraffe>does anybody know how to enable a location bar in nautilus?
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17:34<ragett>there's a button on the left
17:34<ragett>or if you have older version of gnome, try in menu view
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17:38<mojonix>guinea-pig: It looks like a toilet seat.
17:38<Mr_Giraffe>ragett, i thought there was a location bar where i could type in the file location
17:38<Mr_Giraffe>i know there was on ubuntu
17:39<mojonix>whoop, mischannel
17:39<ragett>which version of gnome do you have?
17:41<Mr_Giraffe>testing
17:41<Mr_Giraffe>and it says it's the newest version
17:42<Mr_Giraffe>of nautilus, i mean, and i've updated lenny already
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17:43<apeitheo>Mr_Giraffe, well I haven't used Gnome/Nautilus for a long time, but from what I remember, the default view is spatial (without the location bar), if you load up the "browser" portion of nautilus, it'll have the location bar-- look through the manpage for an option to use the browser
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17:44<apeitheo>Mr_Giraffe, to set it as the default--I'm not sure
17:45<ragett>perferences -> behaviour -> open with browser
17:45<apeitheo>Mr_Giraffe, it might be something like nautilus --use-browser or something, if you just need to use it occasionally pressing control + L when in nautilus and you can type in the location in there
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17:45<HaMMiE>byes to all people
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17:46<Mr_Giraffe>ragett, thanks a bunch
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17:47<riboflavin>hello
17:47<bizio>hy
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17:48<riboflavin>im using debian 4.0r1 etch and im a new user..i would like to know what mirrors usually been added into source.list
17:48<ragett>no problem
17:49<riboflavin>i try to google it, but im confused, some articles talk about lenny, sarge, sid.. is it same?
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17:49<ragett>just put in google: "debian sources.list"
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17:51<riboflavin>sarge source.list also can be used with etch right?
17:51<simonrvn>no
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17:59<riboflavin>i added this mirrors on my source.list
17:59<riboflavin>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
17:59<riboflavin>deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free
17:59<riboflavin>deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
17:59<riboflavin>deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free
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18:00<riboflavin>however when i apt-get update.. i get 2 error
18:00<bushblows>after configuring a geforce 8600 GT 256mb on debian 4.1 I startx and just get a blank screen, what could this be?
18:00<riboflavin>W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY
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18:00<riboflavin>W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY
18:00<bushblows>I installed the modules the debian way, not with nvidia's installer.
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18:01<gsimmons_>riboflavin: Remove the "non-US" line (not required for Etch), add the GPG public key for debian-multimedia.org.
18:01<gsimmons_>!tell riboflavin -about non-US
18:01<gsimmons_>!tell riboflavin -about dmm
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18:02<miksuh>riboflavin: #apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
18:02<CJM>Hallo an Alle. Hello All. Spricht jemand Deutsch?
18:03<witte>!tell CJM about de
18:03<CJM>ok, thanks
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18:08<riboflavin>oh ok
18:08<riboflavin>thanks
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18:10<riboflavin>another thing
18:10<riboflavin>i have commented this mirrors on my source.list...shoud i remove the comment?
18:10<riboflavin>deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
18:10<riboflavin>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
18:12<witte>riboflavin: are you running etch? if yes, than you should remove the comments
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18:12<riboflavin>yes
18:12<riboflavin>ok
18:12<avtobiff>why can't i change the size of partitions during install when doing a encrypted with lvm partitioning?
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18:15<flami>Usermod -L user means taht someone cant login , is that right? (locked the account )
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18:17<avtobiff>flami, that is correct. it is all documented in the manual
18:17<flami>yep I see it now
18:17<avtobiff>flami, or. sorry no
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18:17<avtobiff>flami, that is incorrect. it is all documented in the manual
18:17<flami>man usermod told me ^^
18:17<flami>usermod -h doesnt really
18:18<flami>.... but a locked account can be used to start daemons can it?
18:18<avtobiff>flami, usermod -L changes the fixates the password (so that it cannot be changed i suppose)
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18:18<flami>This puts a '!' in front of the encrypted password,effectively disabling the password.
18:18<avtobiff>flami, i am just tired then :-)
18:18<riboflavin>thanks guys
18:19<gsimmons_>flami: Keep in mind this won't prevent users from connecting via SSH using public keys.
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18:19<flami>yeah well its just that i wanna run murmur with its own user , and i dont wanna set a password on it as it wont be used as a "normal " user
18:20<witte>flami: you can also give them /bin/false as shell
18:20<flami>yep already in /bin/false
18:21<flami>usermod -L and /bin/false is the normal way to make "special" users ( dont really know how to call em now ^^ )
18:21<flami>?
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18:24<avtobiff>flami, check man 8 nologin
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18:25<flami>thanks
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18:33<d00d__>Which package name has GLIB dev files ?
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18:33<witte>d00d__: try "apt-cache search glib |grep dev"
18:34<d00d__>cheers witte
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18:41<sooperkuh>does anybody know how the URL syntax of mpg321 works?
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18:41<sooperkuh>i tried mpg321 http://213.186.41.149:8040
18:41<sooperkuh>but with no luck (no such file or directory)
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18:52<witte>sooperkuh: mmm, strange, I experience the same, but I do not seem to find how it should work
18:52<sooperkuh>thanks witte, nevertheless
18:52<gsimmons_>sooperkuh: mpg321 doesn't support HTTP streaming. Pipe to it via wget (eg. "wget http://213.186.41.149:8040 -O - | mpg321 -") or use mplayer, mpg123, et al.
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18:53<sooperkuh>thanks gsimmons
18:53<witte>gsimmons_: that is not very clear from the man pages
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18:53<sooperkuh>so mpg321 only reads static mp3 files served by http
18:54<gsimmons_>witte: It's very clear. The mpg123 man page has a "HTTP SUPPORT" section. mpg321 does not.
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18:54<sooperkuh>tanks gsimmons ... works flawlessly
18:56<witte>gsimmons_: it says in the manual "mpg321 [options] file(s) | URL(s) | -" and " a drop-in replacement for the non-free mpg123 player", so that does me suspect that also urls should work
18:57<themill>url yes, but for what protocols.... file:// ? http:// ? ftp:// ? callto: ? mailto: ? imap: ? you can see where I'm going....
18:57<witte>themill: in the source file network.c they mention http
18:58<themill>some media players are using things like dvd:// too :(
18:58<sooperkuh>probably it just does not like streams
18:58<themill>witte: ahh.... sound like it's intended to work
18:58<witte>but i do not read c very well :(
18:58<gsimmons_>witte: Unimplemented? :)
18:59<witte>gsimmons_: no :-)
18:59<witte>I will put it in a pastebin if you are interested?
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19:00<gsimmons_>witte, sooperkuh: Ah, a trailing slash is required for mpg321. See bug #166512.
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19:03<sooperkuh>thanks gsimmons!
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19:08<witte>and it was not working in my case because the file permissions of hte file on the server did not allow me to play it :-)
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19:09<witte>I had trown a mp3 to my server but it had 640 permissions :P
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19:09[~]witte == stupid
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19:18<sooperkuh>hehe wtte ... wanted to try that out too, but i just googled one ; )
19:18<george>why do people consider themselves stupid if they don't have a specific piece of information? that's just uninformed
19:18<sooperkuh>george: they are not, they are just talking tongue in cheek
19:19<george>agreed...
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19:20<george>I have a bigger problem with that if someone else considers them stupid... and a serious big problem if a helper or especially an op has that opinion
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19:21<george>it's one thing if the person won't help themselves but another if they're just one simple step away from a solution
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19:22<themill>night all
19:22<themill>dpkg: g'night
19:22<dpkg>Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :)
19:22<george>nite mill
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19:22<streuner_>themill: hehe
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19:33<ElectricX>Hi everyone :)
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19:34<ElectricX>I have a basic Debian install with AMP on it... how do i find out where is Apache located? like httpd.conf?
19:34<ElectricX>or how do i find php?
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19:34<askdelisi>s-a
19:34<askdelisi>h?
19:34<askdelisi>hi
19:34<askdelisi>hola
19:34<askdelisi>_D
19:34<askdelisi>;)
19:35<avtobiff>ElectricX, dpkg -L package
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19:36<avtobiff>ElectricX, read the FHS etc
19:36<ElectricX>avtobiff, what is FHS etc?
19:36<ElectricX>newbie here.. please tolerate :)
19:36<avtobiff>ElectricX, or use find
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19:36<witte>!fhs
19:36<dpkg>methinks fhs is Unlike Gobolinux or <OS X>, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the debian-policy package
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19:37<avtobiff>:-)
19:37<witte>ElectricX: the config files are generally in /etc, and for apache in /etc/apache (or /etc/apache2)
19:38<avtobiff>:-)
19:38<ElectricX>thanks
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19:39<avtobiff>ElectricX, a tip is that if you dont wonder something google it. like "debian apache conf files". usually the hits are really good.
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19:42<riboflavin>Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources
19:42<riboflavin> Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
19:42<riboflavin>Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
19:43<riboflavin>i issued apt-get update command
19:43<riboflavin>and this errors come out
19:43<witte>riboflavin: upload your sources.list to a pastebin
19:43<witte>!pastebin
19:43<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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19:44<riboflavin>http://rafb.net/p/9s2lsc31.html
19:45<riboflavin>btw, im using 4.0r1 etch
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19:46<avtobiff>riboflavin, is that box connected to internet?
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19:46<riboflavin>yes
19:46<riboflavin>im using it right now
19:46<avtobiff>:-/
19:47<avtobiff>riboflavin, security.debian.org down maybe? can you ping the box?
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19:49<riboflavin>yes it responded
19:49<avtobiff>k
19:49<riboflavin>erm
19:49<avtobiff>still same error?
19:49<witte>riboflavin: is it only the deb-src that gives the error
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19:50<riboflavin>wait,i'll paste all the output
19:50<witte>in a pastebin if it is more than 2 lines
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19:52<riboflavin>http://rafb.net/p/Zl7jIa60.html
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19:54<witte>riboflavin: well, the file is there, but you got an error that there is something wrong with the file (no gzip file)
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19:54<riboflavin>yes
19:54<witte>riboflavin: I manually downloaded it, but it is a normal gzip file, so probably it is just a transmisison error or something like htat
19:55<witte>you can ignore that
19:55<riboflavin>should i get it manually?
19:55<witte>riboflavin: no, it is just the sources file (and normally you do not download sources) of the security repository
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19:56<riboflavin>oh ok
19:56<witte>don't worry about it ;-)
19:56<riboflavin>so,for my source.list, is it fine already for beginner user like me?
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19:57<witte>riboflavin: yes, it is fine, as long as you do not intend to compile packages yourself
19:58<riboflavin>okay
19:58<riboflavin>thanks
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20:20<evansj>Hello, I could use some help with debian - specifically apt-get etc.
20:20<evansj>I don't really know debian but a customer is using it
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20:21<evansj>I'm trying to install a ruby gem, rmovie, which needs to compile against ffmpeg
20:21<evansj>but apt-get install ffmpeg doesn't install the header files
20:22<evansj>so I just need to know what flag(s) to pass to apt-get to get it to install header files
20:22<evansj>the specific file missing is avcodec.h
20:23<evansj>debian version is 4.0 according to /etc/debian_version
20:24<schmichael>sudo apt-get install libavcodec-dev
20:24<schmichael>evansj: that should do it :)
20:25<schmichael>just used the package search to find it: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=avcodec.h&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any
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20:26<schmichael>any update on ries? i follow unstable and get headaches and nasuea without fresh packages daily ;)
20:26<avtobiff>:-)
20:26<Solver>schmichael: there are treatments that can help you :)
20:27<evansj>thanks schmichael ! I knew it would be easy. I've bookmarked that search page.
20:27<schmichael>evansj: glad i could help! usually there's a <package name>-dev that has the header files, but not in ffmepgs case evidently
20:28<blarson>schmichael: See the #debian-devel header
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20:29<schmichael>blarson: thanks
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20:29[~]schmichael has to hold out 1 more day before he can get a hit of fresh xorg packages
20:30<evansj>schmichael: easy when you know where to look. :) I also had to install libavformat-dev (for avformat.h), but the rmovie gem now seems to be installed & working
20:30<zl2tod>schmichael: have you ever seen md5 or gpg errors on your daily updates ?
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20:30<schmichael>zl2tod: never
20:30<zl2tod>cool
20:30<zl2tod>ta
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20:32<schmichael>the only time i have trouble with unstable is when i start upgrading gnome when only 1/4 of its packages have been updated to a new version
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20:32<schmichael>evolution seems to be the first thing to break
20:32<zl2tod>evolution scares me
20:33<zl2tod>it took 15 minutes to close down the other day
20:33<schmichael>i really like it... started using it at an old job where i needed exchange support
20:33<schmichael>it is kind of a beast
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20:33<zl2tod>i ran into a bug in it a while back that had been open for the best pat of a decade
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20:35<ElectricX>guys, ocne I do "su" I become root. How do I go back to being regulr user?
20:35<schmichael>exit
20:35<ElectricX>cool
20:35<schmichael>or ctrl-d
20:35<mikegrb>or turn the power off
20:36<Nemoder>or if you want to start a new session: su username
20:36<ElectricX>interesting...
20:36<ElectricX>cn I have several sessions started?
20:36<schmichael>mikegrb: oh great, you're in this channel too ;)
20:36<ElectricX>(I am using putty byt he way.. to conect to remote comp)
20:36<mikegrb><3
20:36<Nemoder>yeah the sessions will nest that way
20:37<ElectricX>how do i switch to different sessions then?
20:37<schmichael>yeah, exit/ctrl-d just leaves the current user session
20:37<schmichael>su
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20:40<Nemoder>if you just need multiple terminals then ctrl-alt-f1 through f6 is probably easier to manage
20:40<schmichael>Nemoder: ElectricX left and he's using Putty (i'm guessing on Windows)
20:40<Nemoder>doh
20:40<schmichael>ha
20:40<schmichael>does anyone actually use Putty on debian?
20:41<schmichael>i love it on windows, but i can't imagine why i'd use it in linux
20:41<mikegrb>a friend did once
20:41<mikegrb>jjust to say he had :p
20:41<nowhere_man>Electric1lf: look at screen, too
20:41<Nemoder>I suppose it would be handy to test with
20:41<schmichael>mikegrb: ha, yeah... i tried it when it was first ported
20:42<schmichael>just for old times sake
20:42[~]mikegrb nods
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21:00<chuy_max>anyone knows of an app to generate sound specifying a frequency?
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21:02<Nemoder>chuy_max: audacity can do that
21:02<chuy_max>woohooo, thankx Neomeder, I'm installing it right now
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21:06<kmilo>hi everyone
21:06<kmilo>the ftp-master still down?
21:07<schmichael>yep
21:07<schmichael>12-24 hours till its back
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21:07<kmilo>humm thanks ;)
21:07<kmilo>but.. what happened ?
21:07<kmilo>hard?
21:08<schmichael>bad karma
21:08<kmilo>but.. it was hardware?
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21:10<blarson>kmilo: Multiple disk failure is what I heard
21:10<rodney>what ftp server is down? I must have missed it
21:10<kmilo>:S
21:10<kmilo>ftp-master
21:11<blarson>rodney: ftp-master is the system handing uploads to sid (unstable)
21:11<rodney>oh, that's not good
21:11<schmichael>only devs and package junkies notice
21:11<schmichael>;)
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21:15<rodney>first time here. I like :) Will come back sometime
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21:16<xayon>¿Is there any problem with debian and core-quad? It just (debian lenny) doesnt boot
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21:17<xayon>(after not booting debian I put an ubuntu and get blocked on 14%, since this computer just not works, it says "OverClocking error" i've reseted bios config to defaults but.. nothing) so it may be not debian fail but I want to be sure for next time :P
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21:18<kmilo>core-quad works great with linux.
21:18<kmilo>i try with centOS an Etch in a ProLiant Server ant works..
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21:20<zuijiu>ls
21:20<xayon>:-) thanks, It might be another thing, or maybe computer crashed like it did with ubuntu, but not permanently first time :-/
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21:20<kmilo>;)
21:21<xayon>I'm worried beacause its a 1000E computer ...
21:23<kmilo>try with other distribution. but with Debian i had not problem
21:23<xayon>well, after triying to install ubuntu, just i got an error just after bios screen
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21:29<xayon>kmilo, Really it's my father's computer, mine's with testing here and will no change, ¡NEVER! :)
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22:18<esaym>do I need an smp kernel to take full advantage of intel p4 ht cpu?
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22:25<rjent>Greetings, how do I remove gnome from a lenny install and put in kde instead?
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22:27<Supaplex>rjent: aptitude remove gnome ; aptitude install kde (as root)
22:28<Supaplex>esaym: cat /proc/cpuinfo - if you see all your cores, then no change is needed.
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22:31<esaym>no just see one. This is a friend's ubuntu box. I got it figure out now. Have to install 686 kernel
22:31<esaym>thank you though
22:31<Supaplex>esaym: topic
22:33<esaym>?
22:33<Supaplex>!tell esaym -about ubuntu
22:34<esaym>I understand, please don't make me go to #ubuntu :(
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22:37<rjent>Supaplex: thanks
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23:28<sodagood>ok like
23:28<sodagood>how you feel about ubuntu being relitively new and it EXPLODING in popularity, when it's debian based n debain not that popular?
23:29<sodagood>:o
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23:33<Chaos`Eternal>do what you can do, want what you can want
23:34<Chaos`Eternal>have you moo-ed today?
23:36<Solver>sodagood: I'm a long time Debian sysadmin/user who is now using Ubuntu along side Debian
23:36<Solver>sodagood: I think the explosion in popularity is good for Linux/OSS overall. I just hope that money gets fed back into Debian
23:37<Solver>wheb using Deb in the commercial world I always strongly encourage donations
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23:39<sodagood>well you do see why it's more popular than debian and every other distro right?
23:39<sodagood>because it plays into the "stupid easy" setup windows and regular users enjoy
23:40<sodagood>keyboard warriors, nix zealots who fear the GUI days are done
23:40<sodagood>most people don't want to have to *learn how to use an OS, minus pointin and clicking
23:40<sodagood>and I really hope other nix distros follow ubuntus way and make themselves not only more easy to use on the GUI end
23:41<sodagood>but overall, don't have to resort to the real nix when a problem arises and GUI addressing isn't working
23:41<sodagood>because as you said more money for all...which helps development time and linux really is a great alternative to windows
23:42<sodagood>mandrivia, novell linux are stupid easy aswell but try and sell their OS before they get a big userbase
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23:52<Nemoder>more choice is always a good thing
23:53<Nemoder>some people will say too many choices is confusing, but ask them if they will only buy one brand of clothes or only eat at once restaurant :)
23:53<Nemoder>s/once/one
23:57<sodagood>heh good point
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