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---Logopened Tue Nov 13 00:00:03 2007
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00:03<Sescevok>anyone here?
00:03<solosk>yes
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00:04<Sescevok>why is it when i play songs i lose sound in other apps?
00:04<bighornram>I am remotely logged onto an etch install, started the project of creating a chroot on the former swap partition for a new remote install. I am unable to continue and would like to return the partition back to a working swap. I have changed the partition to 82 with fdisk. Says the new table will be used at the next boot. Do I need to do anything else to the swap or just reboot?
00:04<solosk>your sound card gets dedicated to the software using it
00:04<solosk>you need a sound server
00:04<Sescevok>solosk: any workaround?
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00:05<solosk>Sescevok: yeah what desktop are you using?
00:05<Sescevok>solosk: gnome
00:06<solosk>Sescevok: um I dunno
00:07<solosk>KDE has a built in sound server
00:07<Sescevok>solosk: lol
00:07<Sescevok>solosk: no prob
00:07<solosk>you need a sound server
00:07<solosk>maybe gstreamer
00:07<Sescevok>solosk: i never got into KDE .... i love gnome
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00:07<ss3>hi
00:07<solosk>Sescevok, fair enough, everyone's different
00:07<Sescevok>hello
00:07<solosk>ss3, hello
00:07<ss3>hello solosk
00:08<Sescevok>solosk: yup
00:10<solosk>I am trying to get my debian etch samba server with windows, it's not letting me log in
00:10<Sescevok>permissions on the windows side?
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00:11<solosk>um
00:11<solosk>just logged in from windows
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00:11<Sescevok>solosk: i do microsoft tech support for a living....and tend to blame problems on that platform sorry
00:12<solosk>what samba?
00:13<Sescevok>no
00:13<Sescevok>microsoft
00:13<Sescevok>lol
00:13<solosk>ok
00:14<solosk>well it's a problem with my configuration of the samba server I'm certain
00:14<Sescevok>ya
00:14<Sescevok>you have a dedicated samba server?
00:14<solosk>um
00:14<solosk>I think so
00:14<solosk>it's just the samba server that ships with debian
00:15<solosk>I imagine it's dedicated
00:15<Sescevok>i meant a dedicated stand alone samba server....your just talking about the samba app
00:15<Sescevok>i worded that wrong
00:16<solosk>yes
00:16<solosk>I am trying to use it for http ftp samba
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00:18<solosk>I need help with my MYSQL and samba configs
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00:19<Sescevok>solosk: whats the error you get?
00:21<solosk>um with samba there is no error but when I try to log in it just like refreshes the login box
00:21<solosk>is there a log file? in windows?
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00:23<Sescevok>solosk: anything in the event viewer on the windows side?
00:23<solosk>on the linux side: rejected invalid user
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00:24<Sescevok>give the group everyone perms
00:24<motalus-organixc>hey guys, is a gig of ram enough anymore?
00:24<Sescevok>see if it logs in
00:24<Sescevok>try it in DCOM also
00:24<motalus-organixc>i'm upgrading to two gigs and hopefully it'll speed things up
00:24<motalus-organixc>couldn't believe it
00:25<motalus-organixc>i ran top and i had 1 meg of ram free
00:25<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: yes thats more than enough
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00:25<Sescevok>i have a ton of stuff running and am only using 233 megs?
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00:25<Sescevok>beryl and everything
00:25<motalus-organixc>running kde, compiz, amarok, pidgin, and apache
00:25<solosk>motalus-organixc, it's prolly disk cache
00:25<motalus-organixc>yeah, i wonder wtf is taking up my ram
00:25<motalus-organixc>is there anyway to decrease that, it takes forever to free it up so something else can run
00:26<Sescevok>solosk: motalus-organixc solo is right....top can be misleading
00:26<chealer>motalus-organixc: depends on your usage. I don't know compiz, but the rest doesn't need close to 1G
00:26<solosk>motalus-organixc, it shouldn't be a problem the kernel can take care of it
00:26<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: so your seeing performance issues?
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00:26<motalus-organixc>sescevok: definitly, applications are much slower to launch than i remember
00:26<solosk>motalus-organixc, but it neve hurts to have more ram
00:27<Sescevok>ya ram is cheap now
00:27<chealer>motalus-organixc: figure out the problem and fix it
00:27<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: but seems to be a prob....shouldnt eat that much ram
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00:28<motalus-organixc>anyone here tried the new init system thats supposed to boot in 5 seconds?
00:28<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: i have beryl, firefox, frostwire, gnome, pokerstars, bmp, and xchat running right now and thats only like 250 megs of ram being used
00:28<motalus-organixc>whats frostwire?
00:28<solosk>:-)
00:28<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: you ever hear of limewire?
00:28<motalus-organixc>yeah
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00:29<motalus-organixc>i thought the only linux alternative was gtk-gnutella
00:29<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: its like that but no proprietary BS
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00:30<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: you can run even limewire on linux
00:30<solosk>motalus-organixc, restart and load all your programs, and see how much ram is being used
00:30<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: its all java
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00:32<motalus-organixc>solosk: i'll try after ark's done extracting
00:32<solosk>motalus-organixc, mine usually runs somewhere around 90% full if I'm actively using my computer
00:32<solosk>mostly disk cache
00:33<motalus-organixc>solosks: how would i check if its my hd going? its louder than i remember it too and freaking me out a little
00:33<motalus-organixc>brb, gonna restart
00:33<solosk>k
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00:35<Sescevok>solosk: what do you think motalus's problem is?
00:35<solosk>disk cache
00:35<solosk>it's not a problem
00:35<Sescevok>solosk: yea i bet thats it
00:36<solosk>he just thinks it is
00:36<solosk>unless his memory is really slow I honesly don't think it'd take that much time to unload/reload it either
00:36<solosk>perhaps
00:37<solosk>his HDD is really really full
00:37<solosk>that always seems to slow things down
00:37<Sescevok>could be
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00:37<motalus-organixc>k, i'm using 729532k
00:37<solosk>and everything is loaded?
00:37<motalus-organixc>yeah
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00:38<solosk>so it's disk cache
00:38<solosk>that is taking up all your memory
00:38<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: what desktop are you using?
00:38<motalus-organixc>kde
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00:38<Sescevok>have you looked in the KDE performance monitor instead of top?
00:38<motalus-organixc>neg
00:39<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: look
00:39<solosk>ja
00:39<solosk>and remember
00:39<solosk>your memory is gonna gradually fill up as you use your computer because of disk cache
00:40<motalus-organixc>whats the blue red and yellow stand for?
00:40<Sescevok>cant remeber in kde
00:40<motalus-organixc>blue i'm only using aboue 343 megs
00:40<Sescevok>thats probably the real number
00:40<motalus-organixc>thats much better
00:41<motalus-organixc>does windows aero actually take up a gig or so? or are they doing that for something else?
00:41<Sescevok>vista is a hog
00:41<solosk>hahaha
00:41<Sescevok>wow im using 450 now
00:41<diegox>chealer: Problem solved! aptitude -> MENU: Tasks -> User -> desktop environment (I'm translating from spanish)
00:42<motalus-organixc>i remember whaching my friends mce start at 500 something and rise by 50 every couple seconds untill it was out
00:43<diegox>chealer: I think it installed xserver-xorg among other packages. kdm was already installed.
00:43<Sescevok>it the windows crap im running thats hogging it
00:43<solosk>wow
00:43<solosk>redic.
00:43<motalus-organixc>i ran into the wierdest bug every today
00:43<motalus-organixc>my xorg-conf somehow got resolutions i've never even heard of, i assume from debconf
00:43<motalus-organixc>it had stuff like 11048 x 865
00:43<solosk>hmmm
00:44<motalus-organixc>wierd ratios like just a little bit bigger than normal ones
00:44<Sescevok>11048 x 865 is out of the realm of possibility as far as i know
00:45<motalus-organixc>yeah, sorry it wasn't that lemme go check, i think i just commented them out
00:45<motalus-organixc>1152x864, 1280x960, 832x624, 1400x1050
00:46<solosk>832x624is weird
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00:47<diegox>chealer: thank you very much for your help!
00:47<solosk>anyone know how to configure Samba?
00:48<motalus-organixc>solosk: through kde
00:48<motalus-organixc>lol
00:48<Sescevok>who here uses KDE?
00:48<solosk>me
00:48<dx_>Does everybody here know that the US is that sole regulator of the internet?
00:48<solosk>nope
00:48<solosk>sick
00:48<dx_>Sescevok; used KDE for 3 years, learning the gnome way of doing things these 6 months.
00:48<motalus-organixc>if they ever fucked it up people would start there own
00:48<diegox>sescevok: Me now!! lol
00:49<motalus-organixc>dx_: its NOT worth it
00:49<dx_>Hey, do you guys like original wallpapers?
00:49<dx_>http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7862/nov12wallcn3.png
00:49<dx_>Motalus-I Figured that as soon as graphics became this beautiful ^
00:49<Sescevok>gnome all the way.....WOOOO .... lol
00:49<chealer>diegox: it's a pleasure if I could help
00:50<chealer>Sescevok: many people use KDE.
00:50<dx_>Just made that wallpaper, please share it with friends
00:50<solosk>dx_ thanks!
00:50<motalus-organixc>dx_:, nice, you use gimp or ps?
00:51<Sescevok>chealer: and i do not blame them in the least
00:51<solosk>QT is open source now!
00:51<solosk>yaya!
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00:51<motalus-organixc>solosk: ?!?!? completely?
00:52<solosk>ja
00:52<Sescevok>solosk: has been for about two years
00:52<solosk>um
00:52<solosk>oh
00:52<motalus-organixc>yeah, davis is awesome
00:52<motalus-organixc>they teach using qt and mysql and opengl / sdl
00:53<motalus-organixc>refuse to go near directx or filemaker
00:53<solosk>does any know how to properly configure my samba server?
00:53<motalus-organixc>they do some oracle though
00:53<dx_>gimp
00:53<diegox>Ok, but now I have another problem: sound works, but is almost a wisper even at max volume
00:54<motalus-organixc>solosk: check out http://gentoo-wiki.com/Samba
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00:54<motalus-organixc>i use that place as a reference for almost everything
00:54<Sescevok>gentoo kicks ass
00:54<Sescevok>i love that distro
00:54<solosk>same
00:55<motalus-organixc>me too, taught me how to do everything at the base and has an awesome forum comunity
00:55<motalus-organixc>wish i could understand how to make debs
00:55<motalus-organixc>i compile a lot of my own packages but have devoted an hour or so here and there to learning how to package things the debian way and cant get very far before getting extremely confused
00:55<bmd>Im having a very annoying network problem, everything seems to work fine (browser, apt, wget) for a short while (15-20 min). after that everything has to be reloaded 2 or more times to view webpages and apt-update takes several tries to get all updates, also files over say 3mb wont dl completely through wget. I need any advice or help I can get on how to fix this please
00:56<Sescevok>gentoo is great for learning linux
00:56<motalus-organixc>Sescevok: but annoying once you have
00:56<solosk>motalus-organixc, I disagree
00:56<Sescevok>motalus-organixc: yeap..... thats why i love debain
00:56<Sescevok>i still run gentoo though
00:56<solosk>gentoo is easy once you have it running
00:56<Sescevok>solosk: yeap very easy
00:57<motalus-organixc>solosk: i thought so too, but it got really bad for a while, right before they added binary packages to official repos and every package i was trying to compile was breaking here or there
00:57<Sescevok>solosk: the reason i left it is because when i want something....compiling is to time consuming...i do truly love gentoo though
00:57<Sescevok>gentoo should have never went binary
00:57<motalus-organixc>and it was errors you could fix by simply reading the error messages, usually dependency problems
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00:58<motalus-organixc>pissed me off when updating took 3 ebuild patches everytime
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01:00<bmd>anyone have any Ideas or can point me to where I might ask the question if this is the wrong place
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01:01<solosk>bmd, I don't think anyone know's here
01:01<solosk>sorry
01:01<motalus-organixc>bmd, are you behind a router?
01:02<motalus-organixc>sounds like a seriouse case of packet loss, but the problem could be anywhere and i'm not sure how to diagnose it
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01:03<diegox>does anybody know how to configure my sound card. It works, but at a very, (and I mean VERY) low volume, even seting it to maximum. Any ideas? Please
01:03<motalus-organixc>diegox: is it an onboard card?
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01:03<Sescevok>diegox: using alsa?
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01:03<bmd>motalus-organixc, yes I am behind a router. I have checked the settings on it, I have checked with Iceweasel to make sure its not there. I have tried opera. packet loss to gogle dosent happen no matter how long I run ping through console
01:04<solosk>maybe it's your ISP?
01:04<solosk>you use AOL?
01:04<bmd>I had issues awhile back with a random eth interface showing up if that has any relevance
01:04<motalus-organixc>bmd: also, if you router is wireless it could be someone in your neighborhood runing a hack
01:04<solosk>that's weird
01:05<diegox>motalus-organic: yes, onboard an intel dg33bu mother board
01:05<bmd>solosk, no I have cox cable and pay for the highest tier
01:05<motalus-organixc>i had that problem and it took the about 15 - 20 minutes between resets to find it again
01:05<bmd>hmmmm
01:05<diegox>sescevok: what is alsa?
01:05<motalus-organixc>diegox: check alsamixer to make sure pcm is up all the way and others
01:06<motalus-organixc>diegox: if your running kde you can click the volume changer then click mixer and its the same
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01:07<motalus-organixc>diegox: my old onboard card had the same problem, i'm not sure exactly what it was, but getting a really cheap audigy 2 fixed everything, lots of times onboard cards can only play a sound at a time anyway
01:07<motalus-organixc>diegox: you'll be amazed at how much the sound qualitiy improves with a 3 doller pci sound card
01:08<solosk>:-)
01:12<Sescevok>night guys
01:12<diegox>yeah, but around here sound cards are a bit more expensive than that, and I'm a bit broke too so I guess that's not an oprion for me
01:12<diegox>=P
01:12<motalus-organixc>'night
01:12<motalus-organixc>diegox: can you get one from ebay from there?
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01:13<motalus-organixc>check if theres a 20 decible boost in the card
01:13<motalus-organixc>also you could try getting better speakers
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01:14<solosk>I got an 80$ m-audio board, worth it's weight in gold
01:15<motalus-organixc>diegox are you using an intel integrated sound card?
01:15<diegox>motalus-organic: the shiping would cost (much) more than the card itself
01:16<diegox>motalus-organic: yes, Intel it is
01:17<motalus-organixc>diegox: check this out, ubuntu is based on debian so maybe its the same problem your getting and the commands should work the same, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
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01:18<motalus-organixc>lots of people got sound back to normal using intel by changing thier model
01:18<diegox>motalus-organic:I use earpieces
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01:20<motalus-organixc>diegox, use the section Manually specify module parameters
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01:24<motalus-organixc>!beer
01:24<dpkg>hmm... beer is liquid gold mate
01:24<motalus-organixc>how do i give beer to someone?
01:25<diegox>motalus-organic: thank you very much!!! :-)
01:26<Supaplex>!beer someone
01:26[~]dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for someone
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01:30<motalus-organixc>diegox: no problem, hope it works
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01:44<solosk>night gang
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01:59<chealer>Sescevok: I didn't mean you did, I mean nobody can list everyone using KDE here.
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02:11<Gryfelhase>I'm using debian etch. Is it a fault of my windowmanager or something, that I can't use Ctrl+A to "Select All" in the URL-bar?
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02:12<Gryfelhase>Or is it a bug in debians iceweasel ?
02:14<chealer>Gryfelhase: it seems to be wm-specific (kwin here)
02:15<jm_>plus - ctrl-a might select entire document, depending on where the focus is
02:15<Gryfelhase>chealer: Ok, thx
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02:23<Guest503>which server is this on?
02:24<Guest503>irc server I mean
02:24<Guest503>anyone here?
02:24<cahoot>oftc.net
02:25<Guest503>cahoot: many many many more people on #debian on irc.freenode.net, you know that?
02:25<cahoot>yes
02:25<cahoot>lots of duplicates though
02:25<Guest503>cahoot: why are you not over there?
02:26<Guest503>the reason I ask is that on debian, if I just start my irc client (bitchx) it seems to default to this server, which Ironically doesn't have many people in debian.
02:27<chealer>Guest503: this is Debian's official IRC server
02:27<Guest503>but on my ubuntu install, when I start bitchx, it seems to default to freenode.net...
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02:29<Guest503>chealer: that's what I find strange... #debian is less populated on the official irc debian server.
02:30<Guest503>chealer: don't you find that strange?
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02:33<chealer>Guest503: not really. 2 years ago freenode was Debian's official IRC server.
02:34<Guest503>chealer: oh... I thought it sounded familiar
02:34<Guest503>chealer: what version of debian do you use?
02:34<chealer>Guest503: testing
02:35<Guest503>chealer: what sort of hardware are you using?
02:35<chealer>Guest503: hum, my main computer is a laptop.
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02:36<Guest503>chealer: mine as well.. mine has a bug that I have to use 'noapic' as a boot flag. is that the same as ACPI?
02:36<chealer>Guest503: no
02:37<Guest503>chealer: oh. what apic?
02:37<Guest503>s/what/what is/
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02:37<chealer>Guest503: did you check Wikipedia?
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02:39<Guest503>chealer: I could do that, but I'm really genuinely interested in what you have to say about it
02:41<chealer>Guest503: hehe, I have nothing to say about it
02:41<Guest503>if I specify noapic.. does that lessen my experience when running linux?
02:41<Guest503>chealer: fair enough :)... but how bout my question above?
02:42<Guest503>I've got a cheapo laptop and I wonder if this noapic business might mean that the linux support for my laptop isn't good
02:43<chealer>Guest503: presumably, but I don't know how. maybe it can cause some hardware to be unavailable.
02:43<cahoot>might mean your bios is less than perfect - see if there's an upgrade
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02:44<Guest503>thanks
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02:58<WildOS>Is this the right syntax for converting .cpp to .o OBJS=$(patsubst %.cpp,%.o,$(SOURCE_FILES))? I tried echo $(OBJS) right after, but I get an error, missing separator?
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03:04<jm_>WildOS: yeah
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04:12<tarelerulz>I have usb sound card and most my system use it ,but stuff like adobe flash player and amarok don't seem to use it and I am lost as to why or how I might make them do so ?
04:13<cahoot>make it default
04:13<cahoot>i e set its index to 0
04:13<cahoot>look inte /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base - at the end of the file
04:14<cahoot>s/inte/into/
04:14<jm_>you can also do that in .asoundrc
04:14<jm_>it's in ALSA FAQ
04:15<cahoot>or asoundconf
04:15<gpm>or maybe it's conflicting if he's running multiple sound-y programs at once? i vaguely remember something about alsa-oss and having to edit firefoxrc or something
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04:16<shaun_s>hello friends
04:16<jm_>indeed, rc file for firefox/iceweasel
04:16<tarelerulz>Well, I will look into that for sure . It has been bothering me for months . I have everything else pretty much figured out on my system. Thanks cahoot,jm_ and gmp
04:16<jm_>ICEWEASEL_DSP=aoss
04:16<jm_>tarelerulz: probably set the above first
04:16<shaun_s>hey dpkg, Buddy you there ?
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04:17<sooperkuh>tarelerulz: you might also check if a sound server like esd or artsd or pulseaudio hogs the sound device
04:17<sooperkuh>or jack
04:18<tarelerulz>This sounds dumb ,but how would I check that sooperkuh
04:18<jm_>I remember firefox allowed you to do that via dpkg-reconfigure, not sure if that's still the case
04:18<cahoot>tarelerulz: see ? numerous ways to mess up sound ;)
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04:18<tarelerulz>Well, I am sure I will mess it up like I do everything ,but I must say That is the fun of Linux
04:20<shaun_s>does anyone know how can install ATI Radeon graphics driver on Debian (Etch) ?
04:21<sooperkuh>apt-get install xserver-xorg-driver-radeon
04:22<sooperkuh>tarelerulz: like this
04:22<sooperkuh>ralph@glitz:~$ fuser /dev/snd/*
04:22<sooperkuh>/dev/snd/pcmC0D0c: 28209m
04:22<sooperkuh>/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: 28209m
04:22<shaun_s>Thanks sooperkuh, but what entry do in need to make in the sources.list file
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04:23<sooperkuh>this should be in main ... unless you mean the proprietary binary one
04:23<shaun_s>I am sorry, didn't get you on that .
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04:24<sooperkuh>i mean if you are talking about the free (open source) driver, you should not have to add a source
04:24<sooperkuh>if you are talking about the binary stuff from ATI I have no clue how to do that
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04:25<shaun_s>you mean it will download from the packages.debian.org path
04:25<shaun_s>thats the entry i have in my sources.list file
04:25<sooperkuh>uuh sorry i messed something up .. just a sec
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04:27<sooperkuh>xserver-xorg-video-ati is the one i think ... sorry
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04:31<shaun_s>are you sure its xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
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04:32<cahoot>shaun_s: running etch or earlier version?
04:34<sooperkuh>shaun_s: It contains a file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
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04:34<shaun_s>running the latest Debian (Etch)
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04:35<sooperkuh>http://packages.debian.org/etch/xserver-xorg-video-ati
04:36<cahoot>shaun_s: I wonder if etch has that modular xorg
04:37<cahoot>s/wonder/doubt/
04:37<shaun_s>thanks sooperkuh, a great thanks for the help,
04:37<shaun_s>I will try as as i reach home
04:38<shaun_s>cahoot, i will check for the xorg module
04:38<jm_>it does, xserver-xorg-video-ati contains the drivers
04:38<shaun_s>even I am not sure
04:38<shaun_s>I have just done the installation today early morning
04:38<sooperkuh>shaun_s: if this is a recent ATI card, it might not work though
04:38<cahoot>shaun_s: my bad - it's there
04:39<sooperkuh>anything over the R200 family (up to Radeon 9250) is a bit of a luck thing AFAIK
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04:40<sooperkuh>or if it is a very new card, you have to get (binary) drivers from ATI i think
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04:50<tarelerulz>any of you try to use windows media player in wine ? Do you think that would be extra hard to make it use the right sound card
04:51<flami>why do you wanna get raped by edia player?
04:51<flami>use amarok
04:52<tarelerulz>The reason I ask is I have media player the looks inside rar files
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04:52<tarelerulz>The the only one I have found it windows program .
04:52<tarelerulz>I am just asking . Oh by the way I got the sound thing worked out with adobe flash player .
04:52<george>where do I apt-get winderz media player?
04:54<tarelerulz>What I mean is media player made for windows . It is called Dziobas Rar player .
04:54<flami>what about unraring the stuf ? mp3 (0gg ...) cant be compressed anyway
04:54<jm_>you can unrar to stdout anyway
04:54<tarelerulz>Why unrar something if you don't have to .
04:54<sooperkuh>tarelerulz: the rar files should be no problem. just install unrar and use file-roller or something
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04:55<flami>well to save cpu time?
04:55<sooperkuh>filer-roller will open rars pointy-clicky
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04:55<tarelerulz>Well, rather then take all that time to unrar something it would make more since to watch it with out doing so and I found media player that can do that.
04:55<george>lil rar lil rar pointy clicky lil rar
04:56<sooperkuh>tarelerulz: it makes no difference if your player or unrar decompresses the stuff
04:56<sooperkuh>and decompressed it has to be if it truely is a rar
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04:56<flami>i guess you can just drap and drop stuff into a media player . itll play uncompressed stuff from /tmp
04:57<flami>(like weenydoze media player does it )
04:57<george>tarelerulz: oh, then you'll be raring every time you run it! YAY!
04:58<tarelerulz>Ok , Sorry I did not understand that
04:59<tarelerulz>I still don't got amarok to work with my usb sound card
04:59<george>it's seempeel mattur ov following logic to final conclusion :)
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05:01<flami>is the usb souncard working with alsa ?
05:01<george>ploog eet een!
05:01<tarelerulz>This may sound dumb ,but how would you tell
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05:02<george>tarelerulz: for usb sound card? plug it in and watch appropriate log file
05:02<cahoot>if it works at all it works with alsa
05:03<^xenon>can anyone help me with vmware install on debian:<
05:04<cahoot>tarelerulz: cat /proc/asound/pcm - is usbaudio 0 or 1?
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05:06<^xenon>Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.3.5", while you are trying to use
05:06<^xenon>"/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.1.2". This configuration is not supported and VMware
05:06<^xenon>Server cannot work in such configuration.
05:07<^xenon>how to fix this?
05:08<jm_>install gcc 3.3.5 and tell vmware to use it
05:08<george>try rebuild kernel with 4,1,2. NO GUARANTEE this will work in any way.
05:08<^xenon>i installed 3.3.5 but how to point this install to use it?
05:08<george>jm_'s suggestion is better in many ways
05:08<^xenon>i am kinda still noob
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05:09<tarelerulz>cahoot I did that and it listed a lot of things
05:09<george>when you say "i am kinda still noob" are you asking people to do or assume things?
05:09<jm_>^xenon: does it have a Makefile?
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05:10<cahoot>tarelerulz: cat /proc/asound/pcm | grep usb (to shorten the list)
05:10<^xenon>i ask how to point this install to use gcc 3.3.5
05:10<^xenon>i am assuming thats noob question:>
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05:10<^xenon>hmm i am doing ./vmware-install.pl
05:10<george>ls /usr/bin/gcc* | wc -l
05:11<cahoot>tarelerulz: cat /proc/asound/pcm | grep -i usb is probably more correct
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05:12<jm_>try export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 or so (fix path if needed)
05:12<tarelerulz>I did that and I did not get anything
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05:13<sooperkuh>tarerulz: dmesg | tail should give you a line about the card, if you just plugged it in
05:13<cahoot>tarelerulz: but you said earlier some apps could use the usb device?
05:13<tarelerulz>Yes I did
05:13<tarelerulz>That is why I am lost so much
05:14<tarelerulz>Most my system does use the usb sound card
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05:14<cahoot>tarelerulz: what does cat /proc/asound/modules return?
05:14<tarelerulz>it is just things like adobe flash player , amarok and media player under wine that don't . wine I am sure is it on problems
05:16<tarelerulz>0 snd_intel8x0 , 1 snd_sub_audio
05:16<cahoot>ok so the usb is the 2:nd device i a alsa,hw:1
05:16<tarelerulz>I set the headset as it is called as my defult sound card and adobe flash player now works ,but not amarok
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05:17<cahoot>tarelerulz: try to tell amarok to use that
05:19<tarelerulz>I would like to say even though mplayer lack something like good playlist it is the best one out there for the most part
05:19<cahoot>tarelerulz: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ item 3.14 if you want the usb to conistently be the default device
05:20<tarelerulz>Thanks Man
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05:22<tarelerulz>I would like to say I am tard . I had amarok set on oss and I guess the usb sound card is use by alsa
05:23<tarelerulz>Now , amarok and adobe flash player use it
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05:30<bowman>Hi all
05:30<bowman>Ho do I get a single package from testing without upgrading the entire "stable" system to testing?
05:30<jm_>bowman: does it depend on libc6?
05:31<bowman>jm_: yes - it's pound, the proxy
05:31<jm_>bowman: then use simple sid backport
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05:31<bowman>jm_: good idea, will try :-) thank you
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05:38<^xenon>vmware install is asking me now What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your runni
05:38<^xenon>kernel?
05:39<jm_>does it give you any choices?
05:39<^xenon>[/usr/src/linux/include]
05:39<^xenon>but its not working when i pick this
05:39<jm_>ahh do you have linux-headers package installed?
05:40<jm_>linux-headers-$(uname -r) that is
05:40<entuall>hello
05:40<^xenon>E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.23
05:41<jm_>is this a custom kernel then?
05:42<^xenon>might be i didnt install it
05:42<^xenon>its dedi box
05:42<jm_>what does "ls -ld /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build" say?
05:42<^xenon>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2007-11-11 20:40 /lib/modules/2.6.23/build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.23
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05:43<jm_>and it's too dumb to find that? nice - try to specify that
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05:45<^xenon>u mean to use /usr/src/linux-2.6.23 as headers location?
05:45<jm_>either that or /usr/src/linux-2.6.23/include
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05:46<^xenon>The path "/usr/src/linux-2.6.23" is not an existing directory.
05:46<^xenon>The path "/usr/src/linux-2.6.23/include" is not an existing directory.
05:47<jm_>ok that's why it hasn't found it by itself - is it really missing?
05:47<^xenon>ye
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05:48<jm_>then consult the person who did it
05:48<^xenon>linux-kbuild-2.6.18
05:48<jm_>or install Debian's kernel and use that
05:48<^xenon>i got this in usr/src/
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06:29<yui62>!lista
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06:33<vovo>I want to submit a .deb package for one software, is it necessary to submit the source .deb also for deb-src?
06:34<tiny>Hi! I've used apt-mirror to create local repo. mirror.list: http://rafb.net/p/RXHn8g78.html
06:34<vovo>wouldn't Debian accept only the .deb package for the binary?
06:34<tiny>Now .. I've switched to local mirror (edited sources.list) and did an apt-get update
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06:34<tiny>But I can't install certain packages. Like subversion for example. http://rafb.net/p/ZDyKaO47.html
06:34<tiny>Any ideas what might be wrong? Why apt-mirror didn't dl that pacakge?
06:35<cahoot>vovo: I think you need acceptances from other debian devs to actually be able to upload to debian servers
06:35<weasel>vovo: binaries without source are out of the question.
06:35<weasel>vovo: you are looking for a sponsor, a debian developer who will check your work, and upload it for you. but you'll have to continue maintaining the package.
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06:36<vovo>weasel: I agree with that. But then I have to maintain two packages, isn't it? one .deb for binary and other .deb for source?
06:36<shaun_s>Hey buddy cahoot you there ?
06:36<shaun_s>Just wanted to say thanks
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06:36<padski>vovo: no, the binaries are built from the source
06:36<weasel>vovo: clearly you need to learn how to build packages properly
06:36<cahoot>shaun_s: ok np
06:36<shaun_s>I will surely checkout the xorg module that you said
06:36<vovo>weasel: ok
06:36<shaun_s>lets see how it wors.
06:37<vovo>is the new maintainer's guide the right place to start?
06:37<weasel>start with reading all the docs on www.debian.org/devel/
06:37<weasel>sure
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06:37<cahoot>shaun_s: oh I see - someone else did the actual help part
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06:37<wixz64>??
06:37<shaun_s>Hey Buddy Sooperkuh, you there
06:37<shaun_s>Do we have any other options if the xorg module is not there .
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06:39<wixz64>Hello..
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06:40[~]wixz64 whines..
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06:44<college>is there an update for apt-get now, i have tried to ask the ubuntu people but they are just dumb
06:44<sooperkuh>shaun_s: what do you mean with the module not being there?
06:45<padski>!ubuntu
06:45<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
06:45<sooperkuh>shaun_s: do you have the file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
06:46<sooperkuh>that should be the one
06:46<college>the update manager tells me that there is 2 apt-get updates , but i think it seems a bit fishy it tells me to put some code in
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06:47<weasel>college: which version of debian are you running?
06:47<sooperkuh>shaun_s: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
06:47<college>the one before 7.10
06:47<sooperkuh>is it there?
06:47<weasel>college: that's not debian. that's ubuntu. you are wrong here.
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06:48<vovo>http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html says, I can make source package as well as binary package. so what's wrong if I make only binary package and submit. someone else if interested can get the source and make the source package, isn't that allowed?
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06:48<college>the ubuntu people are dumb. i think i will start using debian a bit more
06:48<cahoot>vovo: look for new maintainer guide
06:49<weasel>college: ubuntu users who ask on #debian about their problems are dumb. or rude and arrogant.
06:49<vovo>cahoot: that link is that of th enew maintainer guide.
06:49<college>lol
06:49<vovo>the* new*
06:49<weasel>college: come back when you are using debian. good bye.
06:49<vovo>!tell college about lol
06:49<wixz64>guys... i could need a litte help.. (newbie question).. What is the path for the linux source tree in debian "etch"?
06:49<college>bahahahah
06:50<college>is that better
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06:50<weasel>no
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06:53<wixz64>anyone?
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06:53<padski>!anyone
06:53<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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06:54<sooperkuh>!sicco
06:54<dpkg>Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>.
06:54<sooperkuh>hm .. interesting
06:54<padski>wixz64: I think it depends actually
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06:54<witte>wixz64: /usr/src , but you will need to install the linux-source-<kernel-number> package
06:54<padski>wixz64: for some purposes, IIRC, it is the conventional /usr/src/linux
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06:57<wixz64>ill be back in a few min with something better that xChat.. iam getting all dizzy here..
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07:00<witte>wixz64: no pm please, and yes you have to unpack it
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07:00<witte>wixz64: no pm please, and yes you have to unpack it
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07:01<witte>wixz64: it is not easy telling you something when you are constantly on and off this channel
07:02<wixz64>well iam trying to get a channelwindow to work in x chat but it doesent want to ;P, but yes i have unpacked it.. do i have to do something else?
07:02<witte>wixz64: what do you want to do with the sources?
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07:04<wixz64>well iam trying to use NVIDIAS own graphics package.. and it wanted the linux source.. so i tryed with "sh /home/*****/Drivers/Nvidia-blabla.run --kernel-source-path=/home/*****/Sources/linuxblabla"
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07:05<wixz64>i got the error that it wasent yet configured..
07:05<witte>!tell wixz64 about nvidia
07:05<wixz64>i have no idea what to do..
07:05<witte>!tell wixz64 about nvidia one-liner
07:06<wixz64>what are u typing?
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07:06<wixz64>!tell me nvidia
07:06<witte>wixz64: use the debian way, and do not use the nvidia installer
07:07<witte>wixz64: dpkg (the local bot) should have told you
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07:07<witte>in any case, good luck, it is feeding time for me ;-)
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07:08<wixz64>ah didnt notice .. to used to mIRC for windows..
07:08<wixz64>ty writte
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07:19<sere>!list
07:19<dpkg>one warez list being sent to sere
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07:29<user01>how come my clock is an hour behind today? it sychronizes with ntp
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07:29<cahoot>toggling windows/ linux?
07:29<weasel>user01: probably because your timezone is configured incorrectly?
07:29<user01>cahoot, dual boot yes
07:29<cahoot>user01: then make linux use localtime as windows
07:31<user01>cahoot: ?
07:31<cahoot>user01: then make linux use localtime - look in /etc/default/rcS
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07:32<cahoot>user01: windows doesn't get the real benefit from network time
07:32<user01>cahoot, why is that an issue?
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07:32<cahoot>it's a windows anomaly AIUI
07:33<user01>oh
07:33<user01>i only booted into it once in a month to configure a modem for linux
07:33<user01>grrr
07:33<cahoot>user01: set UTC to no in /etc/default/rcS
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07:34<cahoot>maybe not if it's an infrequent thing
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07:35<user01>cahoot, dont have a defaut dir in etc
07:36<cahoot>default
07:36<user01>or default
07:36<user01>oh yeah misstyped
07:36<user01>thanks
07:37<user01>cahoot UTC=no already
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07:38<cahoot>user01: well was time correct even in windows - missed the summertime/wintertime change?
07:39<user01>it did i havent use it in months
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07:42<user01>cahoot, i would think syncing it with ntp would set it back
07:44<cahoot>user01: ntp will die if there's a 1 hour discrepancy
07:44<user01>oh well i just manually set it back
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07:45<user01>cahoot, so i should run windows more often in the future at a time date change?
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07:45<cahoot>that's a gross misunderstanding
07:46<cahoot>there can't be any valid reason to run windows more often ;)
07:46<user01>cahoot, well i dont quite understand why windows effect the time in linux
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07:47<cahoot>user01: messes with hwclock?
07:48<user01>cahoot, right but i would think linux would correct it if it syncs, but you say it dies if it is changed by an hour which doesnt make sense
07:48<user01>cahoot, whats the point of syncing if it dies with any discrepency more than 1 hour?
07:49<user01>would have been an hour late for work this morning if it didnt seem odd
07:49<weasel>deepy: don't. do. that.
07:49<sooperkuh>user01: if ntp does not want to sync, try "ntpdate" first
07:50<sooperkuh>ntpdate does not mind a few hours or even days
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07:51<user01>sooperkuh, ntpdate[18595]: no servers can be used, exiting
07:51<cahoot>stop ntp first
07:51<sooperkuh>ntpdate ts1.univie.ac.at
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07:59<user01>sooperkuh, stop is ntpd --stop ?
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07:59<sooperkuh>"/etc/init.d/ntp stop"
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08:00<DEBY>hello!
08:01<DEBY>my name is erika
08:02<DEBY>i want a man for this night...
08:02<user01>en france?
08:02<DEBY>oui
08:02<DEBY>tu es francais user 01?
08:02<weasel>.oO( and which heavy furniture would this man have to move from point A to point B tonight? )
08:03<weasel>DEBY: this is not a social chatroom, this is a technical support place.
08:03<DEBY>yes tonight...
08:03<user01>DEBY, j habitais a rouen no french here :)
08:03<weasel>DEBY: I suspect you are wrong here.
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08:04<user01>should i suggest debian-fr?
08:04<user01>oh too late :)
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08:18<cahoot>weasel: don't think it was a plumbing matter?
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08:52<nikopol>g
08:52<nikopol>hi everybody
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08:59<anssik>Hello
08:59<anssik>Which package contains netstat?
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09:00<witte>anssik: you can find out using "apt-cache search netstat"
09:00<jm_>!tell anssik -about search
09:00<witte>or alternatively "apt-file search netstat"
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09:02<anssik>it was apt-get install net-tools
09:02<anssik>thanks :)
09:02<anssik>very helpful
09:02<witte>you are welcome :-)
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09:04<Malte>hi
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09:05<Philip>any news on ftp-master / debian testing updates resuming?
09:05<gsimmons_>Philip: See /topic.
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09:08<Philip>topic says FTP-master back up but I still see no updates from ftp.debian.nl. I was wondering if that's just a delay or if I have a problem
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09:13<cahoot>my sid got a large update today
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09:15<sooperku1>cahoot: what mirror are you using? no, I won't switch to it
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09:19<Philip>thanks
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09:19<cahoot>ftp.se.debian.org - but when I think about it it was a system not updated for 2 w - so might be 'old' upgrades
09:19<sooperku1>hm ... i am using ftp.se.debian.org myself too, so this must have been old stuff
09:23<witte>I got some updates in sid today: perl ssh and a couple of others
09:24<witte>about 50 MB or so, and this system was up-to-date
09:24<witte>I use a belnet.be as mirror
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09:25<doogers>guys, I modified the initrd image from cd ( install.386/gtk ) and I added a ClearlooksClassic theme in usr/share/themes ( in initrd image ). I recreated all also iso image and this is the result. http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5014/schermata1et4.png What do I do?
09:25<doogers>I'm italian :D
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09:37<davi_>How to get the list of packages which has some file inside the '/usr/share/man' directory?
09:37<jm_>davi_: dpkg -S
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09:40<davi_>thanks jm_
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09:41<jm_>davi_: that's for installed packages only, otherwise see "/msg dpkg search" about apt-file
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09:44<anssik>which ftp should i use if my needs not much, but fast, multi-user and can handle many users at same time it should have
09:44<anssik>and secure
09:45<anssik>vsftpd? proftpd? or something else
09:45<jm_>I'd say vsftpd
09:46<JasonS>anssik: if you must run ftp vsftpd
09:47<anssik>kk
09:47<anssik>someone suggested pureftpd, dunno why
09:47<JasonS>anssik: same reason if you ask what de or wm you'll get a bazillion opinions
09:48<anssik>kk
09:48<anssik>ill try vsftpd, because its in apt-get so its easy to install
09:48<anssik>thanks
09:48<anssik>again
09:48<jm_>they both are
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09:49<anssik>oh
09:49<anssik>i see
09:49<anssik>which one is easier to use?
09:49<JasonS>anssik: either or neither, depends on the admin
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09:50<anssik>nooby admin :D but i usually can handle things out
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09:54<davi_>thanks again jm_
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10:11<anssik>I think my virtual server has some block by default to block other ports than HTTP from outside world
10:11<anssik>how to fix it?
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10:15<george>first, find it
10:15<george>determine how it was placed
10:15<george>remove that
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10:16<anssik>hm
10:17<anssik>but theres no extra processes runnin
10:17<anssik>so i think it has to be something with config
10:17<anssik>theres no inetd runnin
10:17<george>not willing to go more detailed unless you KNOW (not think) what's happening
10:17<witte>!think
10:17<dpkg>Don't think. KNOW.
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10:18<anssik>well the situation is: if i run any program like vsftpd or http://bub-n-bros.sf.net , it runs fine but cant be accessed from outside intrenet
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10:19<george>so your first step is to find out why
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10:20<bighornram>how do I remake a swap partition?
10:20<cahoot>man mkswap
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10:21<george>turn the swap off first, do that, then turn it back on
10:21<anssik>yeah, i dont know why
10:22<anssik>thats is the problem
10:22<anssik>cause i dont KNOW
10:22<george>then right now you should focus your effort and questions into determining that
10:22<bighornram>cahoot: the machine boots but says no swap is found then complains there is a partition with no format. ctrl-d to continue or root password for maintenance. I do the password then mkswap? the partition is fdisked as 82 then dd'd
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10:24<bighornram>I rebooted cause when i tried to do mkswap it complained the drive was busy.
10:24<bighornram>fdisk said changes would take effect after rebooting.
10:25<bighornram>I have no services running, can't ssh into it and no apache running but can ping it.
10:27<anssik>okay
10:27<witte>bighornram: you also have to "swapon"
10:27<anssik>What can be the cause that my ports cant be accessed from internet , Except the 80 HTTP port
10:27<witte>anssik: firewall?
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10:28<george>you mean port 80 IS accessable?
10:28<anssik>yes
10:28<anssik>and apache works fine
10:29<george>how many machines do you have sharing your connection?
10:31<bighornram>so I select to do maintenance as root ;) then mkswap /dev/hda5 then swapon
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10:31<george>no
10:31<george>swapoff FIRST
10:31<george>then do that
10:31<bighornram>cool thanks. ;)
10:32<witte>bighornram: yeah as george says, swapon /dev/hda5
10:32<anssik>Well, i dont know. I really dont know much about this, I just got the root logins from a community where I am.
10:32<witte>and afterwards put it in your /etc/fstab
10:33<bighornram>swapoff /dev/hda5 => mkswap /dev/hda5 => swapon /dev/hda5
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10:33<george>yeah, that's what I'm recommending
10:34<bighornram>thanks folks ;)
10:34<george>if you don't swapoff, then you would lose things in the swap (such as code of running processes that have been swapped out)
10:36<george>additionally you might have hda5 in your /etc/fstab if you were using hda5 as swap befofe
10:36<george>before
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10:36<anssik>Can this be anything to do with inetd
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10:36<bighornram>that's not an issue as i started this ssh'd remotely | tried last week to do a remote reinstall by chmoding the swap. chickened out and tried to go back. I fdisked the partition, then dd'd it and that is where it is now, rebooted though.
10:36<anssik>Because theres really not much processes running besides apache
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10:38<bighornram>george: it was the swap before
10:39<george>ok... out of curiousity why were you doing this? did you want to resize your swap?
10:40<bighornram>I was going to do a remote reinstall. formatted the swap to 83 chickened out and tried to return the partition to 82.
10:40<bighornram>The machine lives in a crawl space under the house.
10:41<george>anssikan air conditioned crawlspace? :)
10:41<george>err
10:41<george>an air conditioned crawlspace? :)
10:41<bighornram>no but it is cccold down there most of the time.
10:42<george>anssik: so the machine is part of a larger organization
10:42<anssik>possibly
10:42<george>possibly??
10:43<bighornram>yes, it is dmz has apache, jabber, and ssh-server to remotely connect.
10:43<george>the people you need to be asking these questions to are the ones who own or manage the machine.
10:44<bighornram>ummm and some archives I'd like to retrieve. then I will just wipe it out and reinstall the system.. That would be me. it is in my house. ;)
10:45<george>bighornram: oh, sorry... that last one was to anssik
10:45<george>I'll make that clear now:
10:45<bighornram>LOL.
10:45<george>anssik, the people you need to be asking these questions to are the ones who own or manage the machine.
10:45<sooperku1>IM IN YORZ CRAWLSPACEZ SUBVERTING YOURZ ORGANIZATIONZ!!!
10:46<bighornram>going for it / hate going down there - spiders and snakes! :-O
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10:46<sooperku1>i like the idea of putting a computer somewhere hidden below the floor
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10:47<bighornram>until you have to go down there and fix it. LOL
10:49<bighornram>thanks, gonna do it!
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10:51<sooperku1>bighornram: you could put a serial console cable there
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10:51<george>sooperku1: that's a really good idea
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10:52<george>but
10:52<george>he's gone!
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10:53<sooperku1>hehe george ... i should take less drugs methnks ; )
10:54<george>I done that with no drugs
10:54<george>these days I do everything like that :)
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10:59<george>sooperku1: he might be back to tell us it worked out
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11:01<sooperku1>if he is not bitten by a snake
11:01<george>or spider
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11:02<sooperku1>do you do something to change colour or does pidgin do that by itself?
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11:04<george>normally I get a tan
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11:23<userx>hi all
11:23<userx>i have one question....
11:23<userx>there is a method
11:23<userx>to assign dinamically a priority level
11:23<userx>to proccesses launched by the users
11:23<userx>in a debian machine?
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11:24<userx>i was thinking that a user has a nice level, for example 15
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11:24<userx>and when he launches an application.... the kernel should change the nice level of this procces to 15
11:25<userx>any idea?
11:25<userx>or suggestion?
11:25<graytron>userx: /etc/security/limits.conf
11:26<userx>mmm
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11:26<userx>yes that's valid for debian
11:26<userx>but not for all the linux distros
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11:27<userx>like suse for example
11:27<graytron>this is #debian
11:27<userx>yes xD
11:28<userx>so it's valid
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11:28<jo91nb>Where can I find how to restore an backup on my Skolelinux 2.0 server? The file I want is from thre 5th of nov.
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11:32<jo91nb>Because there is no longer Webmin on this system, and I can't find the slbackup.
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11:34<stmaher>Hello everyone..
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11:34<stmaher>Im trying to search for a string in a mysql dump file. anyone know a good editor that can search through a 3.7 gig file?
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11:34<stmaher>sorry.. 3.07gb file
11:34<stmaher>vi just shows blank on viewing..
11:34<stmaher>nano takes too long..
11:34<stmaher>grep takes forever.
11:35<sooperku1>stmaher: strings foo | grep bar ?
11:35<stmaher>sorry.. its a standard text file..
11:35<stmaher>grep is taking forever and i might need to look around the text
11:36<qbit>use -A and -B ?
11:37<witte>stmaher: 3GB is just big, it will take a wile using any program :-)
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11:49<apeitheo>Does anyone know of a shell that has vi-like commands?
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11:50<apeitheo>I'm mainly looking for a shell that sort of integrates the two, so I can easily edit commands (for example, changing "install" to "remove" in an apt-get command by pushing control + p (to move up to the last command), ^ (to get to the front of the line), w (to get to the second word, "install"), and then cw to change "install" to "remove"
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11:51<E0x>apeitheo: look zsh
11:51<witte>apeitheo: is there no shell in vi?
11:52<apeitheo>witte, well I don't want to load up vi just to type commands
11:52<apeitheo>I just hate having to push the back button until I get to "install" and change push delete until the word is deleted
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11:52<apeitheo>it's not just for this case either--it's for any case where I have to change portions of a command
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11:53<witte>apeitheo: bash has a vi mode
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11:54<apeitheo>witte, it does?
11:54<witte>I think you enable it through set -o vi
11:54<petemc>stmaher: LANG=C grep foo will often be faster
11:54<apeitheo>witte, ah it does seem to work
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11:55<witte>I remembered reading about a emacs mode, and when there is an emacs mode there will be someone wanting to make vi mode (or the other way around :P)
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11:56<apeitheo>witte, ah, nice, excellent, thanks :)
11:57<stmaher>petemc, export $LANG=C
11:57<stmaher>-bash: export: `en_IE.UTF-8=C': not a valid identifier
11:57<stmaher>petemc, shite sorry.,. had $ in command
11:57<petemc>just prefix the command with it, you dont need to export it
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12:10<stmaher>petemc, thanks that worked a treat..
12:10<stmaher>petemc, whats the difference?
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12:18<ServerSide>mhh i've a problem with aptitude
12:18<ServerSide>*big*
12:19<ServerSide>any cmd i do, (install, remove, reinstall,...) he wanna remove about 300 progs ...
12:19<ServerSide>http://pastebin.ca/772214 (little french but you'll see the prob..)
12:19<JasonS>ServerSide: what did you change recently?
12:19<ServerSide>i've it since long time ago
12:21<Maulkin>ServerSide: can you do that with LANG=C please?
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12:27<ServerSide>Maulkin: http://pastebin.ca/772229
12:28<ServerSide>and pls don't say : "use apt-get!"
12:28<ServerSide>^^
12:29<weasel>use apt-get!
12:29<ServerSide>: )
12:29<ServerSide>any know wtf?
12:29<Supaplex>I second apt-get ;)
12:29<Supaplex>ouu ouu and debian to
12:30<fxiny>hey : Siouxie ouu ouu ?
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12:31<vovo>Get:9 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main evolution-common 2.10.3-1 [35.6MB]
12:31<vovo>Get:10 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main evolution-common 2.10.3-1 [35.6MB] <== Why is it downloading the same package twice?
12:32<skyegg>or use aptitude! (:
12:33<ServerSide>maybe because there is 2 times the depot "http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main" in your sources.list?
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12:33<vovo>skeygg: I am using aptitude.
12:33<vovo>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib
12:33<vovo>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib <== are the only two lines in my sources.list
12:34<fxiny>security contrib ?
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12:34<ServerSide>rofl
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12:35<gongOOOO>hi all !!
12:35<gongOOOO>someone cam help me ??
12:35<qbit>allo
12:35<gongOOOO>algine español ?
12:36<Supaplex>!es
12:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:36<gongOOOO>#debian-es is empty
12:36<Maulkin>ServerSide: did you read the text at line 10?
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12:36<Maulkin>ServerSide: Les paquets suivants ne sont pas utilisés et vont être ENLEVÉS :
12:36<gongOOOO>and i am understant the inglish
12:36<gongOOOO>someonje cam help me ?
12:37<ServerSide>i did
12:37<Maulkin>gongOOOO: you haven't told us your problem yet
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12:37<vovo>fxiny: why would security contrib cause the same package to be downloaded twice? it is anyways empty.
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12:37<ServerSide>nice host Cn :o
12:38<gongOOOO>i have installe apache2, he run perfectly, but when i see iot on Explorer, type http://myip
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12:38<gongOOOO>he redirecte me to the folder, /var/www/apache2-default
12:38<Maulkin>ServerSide: Well, that tells you why they're gonna be removed :)
12:38<gongOOOO>how i can chage this ?
12:38<ServerSide>yeah i don't wanna them removed when i use aptitude..
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12:39<fxiny>vovo: evo is in main , i don't think contrib gets security fixes
12:39<gongOOOO>i have installe apache2, he run perfectly, but when i see iot on Explorer, type http://myip
12:39<gongOOOO>how i can chage this ?
12:39<Maulkin>ServerSide: man aptitude :)
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12:39<gongOOOO>i have installe apache2, he run perfectly, but when i see iot on Explorer, type http://myip
12:39<gongOOOO>he redirecte me to the folder, /var/www/apache2-default
12:39<gongOOOO>how i can change this ?
12:39<Maulkin>gongOOOO: edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
12:39<guimeau>the configuration of the default host
12:39<Maulkin>And please stop repeating yourself constantly
12:40<gongOOOO>sorry,
12:40<gongOOOO>thx a lot of
12:40<ServerSide>apt-get say to me for the same packages: "use apt-get auto-remove for remove them", smtg fucked!
12:40<Maulkin>ServerSide: no, you're just not using them.
12:40<guimeau>change it in /etc/apache2/sites-available/defailt
12:40<Maulkin>ServerSide: really, read man aptitude and man apt-get for details.
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12:41<ServerSide>ahk
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12:41<gongOOOO>byyyyy
12:41<gongOOOO>quit
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12:41<vovo>fxiny: yes, so contrib would be empty. but why would it cause the same package to be downloaded twice?
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12:44<fxiny>vovo: no idea , tried aptitude update first ?
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12:48<diegox>Hi! When I installed kdm, I configured it so the max resolution was 800x600, but now i want to make it 1200x768. How can I do this?
12:48<witte>diegox: i do not think this is kdm related? isn't this related to the xserver?
12:49<diegox>witte: maybe, I have only used linux for 2 days
12:50<witte>diegox: ok, in that case you probably want to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
12:50<witte>as root, in a terminal
12:51<ServerSide>Maulkin: how can i set my console to french? ^^
12:52<diegox>witte: Thank you!
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12:55<LemonTiP>Hallo
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12:56<walter>spreek er iemand nederlands
12:56<stmaher>heya guys.. how come i have txt jokes0.0.10.in-addr.arpa at the end of all my reverse DNS queries
12:57<stmaher>sorry.. I dont know where txt jokes came from.
12:57<stmaher>please ignore that big.
12:57<stmaher>*bit
12:57[~]stmaher retarded
12:57<witte>walter: ja, maar dit is een engelstalig kanaal
12:57<walter>ok dank je wel
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12:58<fxiny>oh that's much better then solaris in russian :P
12:58<fxiny>with pt sub :P
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12:59<witte>fxiny: N
12:59<fxiny>witte: :))
12:59<witte>s/N/?/
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13:01<fxiny>witte: "dit" means "this" ?
13:01<witte>fxiny: yes
13:03<fxiny>so : "dit is een engelstalig kanaal" means "this is an english(stalig= language?) chan
13:03<fxiny>easy
13:03<witte>fxiny: you succeeded in "lesson number one" for Dutch classes :-)
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13:04[~]Supaplex ponders #debian-lolcode ... "I can has debian upgrade?"
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13:04<fxiny>witte: i told you : i'm watching solaris in russian with pt subs :P
13:05<fxiny>but i don't get a damn :P
13:05<witte>fxiny: pt as in portuguese?
13:05<fxiny>yes :)
13:05<witte>fxiny: I once installed windows 98 in chinese (long time ago)
13:06<apeitheo>witte, you're dutch?
13:06<witte>apeitheo: no, I am not, I'm Belgian
13:06<witte>apeitheo: and for the people watching European news: Flemish :-)
13:07<apeitheo>witte, what's your native language?
13:07<witte>apeitheo: Dutch
13:07<fxiny>i know yahhhh : FLemish is on the news :)
13:08<apeitheo>witte, ah
13:08<apeitheo>Is Dutch pronounced similar/same as German?
13:08<apeitheo>weil ich Deutsch kann.
13:08<witte>apeitheo: it is somewhere between German and English
13:09<nowhere_man>my dad said that, being fluent in both, you should mostly be able to understand it spoken and written
13:09<nowhere_man>for basic conversation, things like news
13:10<fxiny>witte: i know two belgian names : Eddy Merckx and Pole Folder : i'm just a modern guy , of course :P
13:11<witte>nowhere_man: I guess so
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13:11<fxiny>is the only folder i can accept in my box
13:11<witte>fxiny: I did not know Pole Folder :-), had to look it up at wikipedia ;-)
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13:13<fxiny>witte: he's a briliant musician
13:13<fxiny>ll*
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13:19<david>creen rez
13:19<david>i ned help with my screen rez
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13:20<Guest561>ok....
13:20<Guest561>I need help with my screen rez
13:21<witte>Guest561: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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13:21<Guest561>thanks you
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13:21<Guest561>in a way that will automaticly find the rez
13:21<fxiny>hey : #debian-lolcode is empty ! you damn Supa !
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13:22<fxiny>lol in a code ...
13:23[~]fxiny sends a solanum.tar
13:23[~]fxiny sends a solanum.tar.bz2 to Supaplex
13:24<amphi>Guest561: you can use xrandr to change resolution while X is running
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13:24<Guest561>really how
13:24<Guest561>is that a package?
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13:25<amphi>it's part of X
13:25<Guest561>so then expalin to me how to get there
13:25<amphi>Guest561: it's in xbase-clients
13:26<amphi>Guest561: just run it in a term; man xrandr for usage info
13:27<Guest561>its reads my other screen
13:27<Guest561>rez
13:27<Guest561>as 1280 x 1024
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13:31<benni>identify
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13:32<Guest561>ok so I did the comman to reconfigure
13:32<Guest561>I went threw the steps
13:32<Guest561>so what happens when I restart and it goes to command line?
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13:33<witte>Guest561: in that case something wrong happened
13:34<Guest561>well yeah lol
13:34<Guest561>durrr
13:34<witte>Guest561: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
13:34<ragett>do you have some problems with nvidia ?
13:34<Guest561>well it's an intel video driver
13:34<witte>If you can't figure it out, put the file in a pastebin
13:34<witte>!pastebin
13:34<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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13:35<ragett>and what a problem do you have? what happen ?
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13:36<Guest561>u want the file?
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13:36<ragett>at first tell me what's wrong
13:37<witte>Guest561: yes
13:37<Guest561>where do I send it to ?
13:37<witte>ragett: he did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and ended up without ix after restarting
13:37<witte>!pastebin
13:37<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
13:37<Guest561>threw here
13:37<witte>Guest561: ^^
13:38<Guest561>witch site should I send it to
13:38<ragett>so paste it on one of these sites and paste link
13:38<witte>Guest561: you choose, afterwards, you put the link here
13:38<Guest561>o ok
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13:42<Guest561>http://rafb.net/p/OCDWVH46.html
13:42<Guest561>witte there u go
13:43<molnitza>Hi! How can I upgrade from etch to sid?
13:43<ragett>apt-get dist-upgrade
13:43<witte>!iyntays
13:43<dpkg>i heard iyntays is If You Need To Ask You Shouldn't
13:43<molnitza>nothing to edit in sources.list?
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13:44<ragett>u must put there (in sources.list) sid repo
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13:45<BoBo>i have a problem with my dns server
13:46<BoBo>BoBo:~# ping google.ro
13:46<BoBo>ping: unknown host google.ro
13:46<BoBo>but i have internet on my linux
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13:46<BoBo>BoBo:~# ping 72.14.221.104
13:46<BoBo>PING 72.14.221.104 (72.14.221.104) 56(84) bytes of data.
13:46<BoBo>64 bytes from 72.14.221.104: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=50.1 ms
13:46<BoBo>what is the problem ?
13:46<george>molnitza: I absolutely do not believe in what dpkg was just told to say, it's a simplistic comment meant to reduce helper load
13:46<KeDaO>hi all! yesterday i changed al lthe ips form all my servers because i changed my ISP, all its ok, but in one of the servers (dedicated to one client) that only sends e-mails i receive this error when i send mails from that ip to hotmail, all the rest of the servers can send mails to hotmail withoiut problem, i deactivated the spf record from the domain but the error still appearing, this is the error: 250 mail from IP 84.124.53.34 soft failed se
13:46<KeDaO>nder ID check. Please ensure this IP is authorized to send mail on behalf of [theborderlinemusic.com]) any idea?
13:47<witte>Guest561: mmmm, nice a 3310 lines of log :(
13:47<Guest561>sorry lo
13:47<Guest561>lol
13:47<george>molnitza: however, I'll ask you: why are you thinking of upgrading?
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13:47<BoBo>george my problem ?
13:47<witte>Guest561: there are some warnings in, but no real errors I think, could you also upload /etc/X11/xorg.conf
13:47<KeDaO>BoBo have you put a nameserver en resolv.conf?
13:48<BoBo>no
13:48<Guest561>ok hol up
13:48<molnitza>george: I need Sid for devlopment
13:48<KeDaO>so you need to put a nameserver in resolv.con in order to resolv the addres google.ro
13:48<george>molnitza: of debian itself?
13:48<KeDaO>you are pinging an ip you shouldnt pingin a domain
13:48<BoBo>but KeDaO
13:48<BoBo>in resolv.conf
13:48<BoBo>say # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
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13:49<KeDaO>maybe but if network manager dont add a nameserver your linux box will not be able to resolv any domain
13:49<KeDaO>try to add this for example 217.172.64.2
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13:49<KeDaO>echo "nameserver 217.172.64.2" >> /etc/resolv.conf
13:49<Guest561>http://rafb.net/p/fjTGnw71.html
13:49<molnitza>george: I need for a newer dpkg-cross, apt-cross etc. I have used the packages from the Sid repo, but I need a new dpkg too. And that I can't use with etch
13:50<BoBo>KeDaO
13:50<ragett>Guest561: What did you do before dpkg-reconfigure?
13:50<BoBo># generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
13:50<BoBo>89.39.12.2
13:50<BoBo>is good ?
13:50<KeDaO>is 89.39.12.2 a nameserver? if it is its ok
13:50<Guest561>i had it on a different screen
13:50<george>molnitza: ok... so you know the risks associated with sid?
13:50<BoBo>yes
13:50<KeDaO>it should work
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13:51<BoBo>KeDaO
13:51<BoBo>BoBo:~# ping google.ro
13:51<BoBo>ping: unknown host google.ro
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13:51<george>no, man 5 resolv.conf
13:51<KeDaO>do a ping to your nameserver for try it
13:51<molnitza>george: I know. Sid is unstable and experimental. But I don't want to work with I. Only for devlop a littel bit.
13:51<Guest561>swapt screen u run that comand
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13:51<KeDaO>or try another nameserver any nameserver should be ok
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13:51<molnitza>...with it. Only for devlop a littel bit.
13:52<BoBo>but KeDaO how actualize nameserver
13:52<BoBo>a reboot ?
13:52<BoBo>or ifdown -a ?
13:52<ragett>does X Server load Dri module ?
13:52<KeDaO>how you connect to inet?
13:52<BoBo>and ifup -a ?
13:52<schmichael>molnitza, george: honestly i use sid on my workstation and rarely have any issues
13:52<george>molnitza: well obviously keep hourly backups on a fileserver box running stable
13:52<KeDaO>Bobo just edit the file dont need to do anything especial
13:53<KeDaO>just add a nameserver in the file, if that nameserver fails you can try other but put it first
13:53<george>KeDaO. BoBo: both of you should read man 5 resolv.conf
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13:53<george>yer missing something :)
13:53<PG>can i install packages for i386 on an amd64 system?
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13:53<KeDaO>:( why?
13:54<george>look and see
13:54<KeDaO>he can ping to an ip but not to a domain, should be that haven nameserver
13:54<witte>Guest561: d
13:54<KeDaO>not is a internet problem
13:54<KeDaO>no?
13:54<Guest561>?
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13:54<KeDaO> resolv.conf - resolver configuration file
13:54<KeDaO>:D
13:54<witte>Guest561: I was looking at your Xorg.0.log again, and that is not complete
13:54<witte>and sorry about the d, taht was a typo
13:54<george>I know exactly what the problem is... if you read man 5 resolv.conf you will too :)
13:54<Guest561>lol o ok
13:54<KeDaO>i didnt saw all the question a miss something?
13:55<Guest561>well then how do i completet it
13:55<KeDaO>i arrived few minutes ago
13:55<BoBo>KeDaO but where put dns-nameservers ?
13:55<george>you got enough of it :)
13:55<george>BoBo: man 5 resolv.conf
13:56<ragett>Guest561: have you'r xorg.log 3310 lines or more? in the site, it's says: "Description: x config part 1"
13:56<PG>KeDaO: there are some packages that are only for i386, e.g. w32codecs :D
13:56<witte>Guest561: tail -n100 /var/log/Xorg.0.log > ~/test.txt
13:56<KeDaO>Bobo, to resolv a domain name to an ip you need a nameserver, linux look for a namerver in /etc/resolv.conf the sintaxis is nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx
13:56<witte>Guest561: and upload /home/<username>/test.txt
13:56<KeDaO>PG ?? i missed myself
13:56<george>KeDaO: exactly. now, look at what he has
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13:57<KeDaO>Bobo what do you have in resolv.conf?
13:57<panagos>KeDaO: ?
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13:57<BoBo>txs KeDaO
13:57<BoBo>i resolv it :P
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13:57<BoBo>you are the best
13:57<BoBo>:))
13:57<KeDaO>what you did?
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13:57<BoBo>put nameserver and ip
13:57<BoBo>:))
13:57<panagos>can i install packages for i386 on an amd64 system?
13:57<KeDaO>panagos i dont stand the "w32codecs"
13:57<KeDaO>why you say that?
13:58<KeDaO>panagos i thing that no
13:58<BoBo>first time i put ip and nameserv no :)
13:58<panagos>KeDaO: it's a "third-party" package (from debian-multimedia.org)
13:58<Guest561>Xorg.0.log what i pasted thats the hole thang
13:58<Sequencer>have a strange question about a fresh etch install (no previous sarge install):
13:58<Sequencer>what would possibly cause /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh to not actually set the screen font unless it is run manually?
13:58<witte>Guest561: the last line ends with succeeded?
13:58<KeDaO>somebody know why is that: " to=<rosalavasca@msn.com>, relay=mx1.hotmail.com[65.54.245.8]:25, delay=79, delays=47/18/2.1/12, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 mail from IP 84.124.53.34 soft failed sender ID check. Please ensure this IP is authorized to send mail on behalf of [theborderlinemusic.com])
13:58<KeDaO>"
13:59<Guest561>yes
13:59<george>KeDaO: relay denied
13:59<weasel>no.
13:59<ragett>and all you can see is a black screen?
13:59<weasel>spf.
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14:00<witte>Guest561: try to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again, and limit your ranges to 1280x1024
14:00<schmichael>george,KeDaO: listen to weasel
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14:00<Sequencer>no i get the fonts from the vga bios, which look funny in curses apps that use 'dialog'
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14:00<george>the message looks like it's denying a relay
14:00<KeDaO>weasel i thinked that but i commented the spf record from the domain and wait a few hours and maked the test again and nothing
14:00<KeDaO>same error
14:00<Maulkin>KeDaO: DNS can be cached for you to 48h
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14:01<george>schmichael: I would, but he hasn't said anything yet
14:01<schmichael>12:59 < weasel> spf.
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14:01<weasel>theborderlinemusic.com descriptive text "v=spf1 a mx ip4:84.124.53.34 ~all"
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14:01<Sequencer>running from rc.local...doesn't work... making your own startup symlinks for console-screen.sh in /etc/init.d...doesn't work. running it yourself at a root shell works...and is permanent even after logout. but the boot process can't do it. :(
14:01<schmichael>"soft failed sender ID check"
14:01<Guest561>witte it asking for amount of memory to be used by the video card
14:01<BoBo>a good script for firewall ?
14:01<KeDaO>Maulkin i think that because yesterday i move my servers from another ISP so i changed all the ips, but all other domains work but that server ffrom that ip no :(
14:01<witte>Guest561: just pres enter
14:01<Guest561>lol ok
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14:02<witte>Guest561: most of these things will default to a reasonable value
14:02<Sequencer>and i've never had this problem on any machine upgraded from sarge. this is a fresh etch install.
14:02<witte>in case of doubt, press enter ;-)
14:02<ragett>:]
14:02<KeDaO>Bobo try.. sorefill o something like this i go to look for the exactly name
14:02<Guest561>what about use kernel framebuffer device interface hit no
14:03<ragett>i use it
14:03<george>who's name is theborderlinemusic.com?
14:03<witte>Guest561: the same: in case of doubt, press enter ;-)
14:03<KeDaO>Bobo Shoreline
14:04<Guest561>ok I will do what i did last time just press enter the hole way lol
14:04<Sequencer>and it can't be that the boot process is running it too early either -- rc.local runs as "S99"...almost the last thing that gets run.
14:04<KeDaO>george ? is a web that i host
14:04<ragett>:]
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14:04<george>oh, ok
14:04<KeDaO>its a client that make e-mail report for companys
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14:05<KeDaO>i changed his ip, and that error appears, i think that maulkin its in true, i will wait for tomorrow for see if error resolves to hiself
14:05<wixz64>!tell nvidia
14:05<ragett>and what? has x server started ?
14:05<Sequencer>i've also tried bringing over the /etc/console-tools/config file from a former sarge machine that doesn't have the problem...doesn't work
14:05<wixz64>!tell wixz64 nvidia
14:05<george>do you run that mail server?
14:06<witte>!tell wixz64 about nvidia
14:06<KeDaO>george yes, postfix
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14:06<wixz64>aha ;P
14:06<witte>!tell wixz64 about selftell
14:06<wixz64>ty again witte ;P
14:06<Guest561>done
14:06<Guest561>witte
14:06<Guest561>now what ?
14:07<witte>Guest561: startx?
14:07<Guest561>start it up?
14:07<ragett>y
14:07<witte>just type "startx"
14:07<witte>as normal user (not root preferably)
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14:08<Guest561>in commant typed startx
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14:09<ragett>Guest561: And did the server started?
14:09<Guest561>x: warning; process set to priority -ll instead of requested priority 0
14:09<Guest561>fatal server error:
14:10<Guest561>server is already active let me restart
14:10<Guest561>see what happens
14:10<witte>Guest561: ctrl -alt F7
14:10<Guest561>o ok
14:10<witte>Guest561: and there Ctrl alt backspace
14:10<ragett>or you can type "killall X"
14:11<witte>ragett: ctrl alt backspace will bring it back if it started up with a dm
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14:11<witte>Guest561: and?
14:11<lupine_85>/etc/init.d/?dm stop|start|restart if there's a DM running
14:11<Guest561>nothin hold up
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14:12<KeDaO>mmm Maulkin i did another probe, from the console i have tried "sendmail xx@hotmail.com" and it sended the e-mail withoitu problems
14:12<jazzcat>Has anyone from here installed a Debian in a VirtualBox vm ?
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14:12<lupine_85>jazzcat: ran, yes. installed, no
14:12<witte>Guest561: I really have to go now, hope you get it running
14:12<witte>ragett: can you help Guest561 further?
14:12<Guest561>thanks
14:12<jazzcat>lupine_86: ran without install it? how do you that?
14:13<ragett>witte: i'll try
14:13<jazzcat>lupine_85: ran without install it? how do you that?
14:13<witte>ragett: great
14:13<Guest561>I guess I have to restart lol nothin happened
14:13<lupine_85>Rented it
14:13<wixz64>witte u got alot of experience with nvidia?
14:13<witte>wixz64: none, and i have to go, sorry
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14:13<ragett>Guest561: and have you got any errors in Xorg.log?
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14:14<jazzcat>lupine_85: ok. by the way, don't you know if it has a virtual net device attached to a net bridge?
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14:14<lupine_85>jazzcat: I was just presented with eth0
14:14<lupine_85>I don't know how it was set up
14:15<jazzcat>lupine_85: and did you have access to the internet ?
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14:15<lupine_85>yep
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14:23<wixz64>YAY! finally installed nvidia drivers.. now i still have to install the sound..
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14:25<sooperku1>where do I switch off the -nolisten argument to X that gdm seems to pass?
14:25<wixz64>anyone here uses WINE to play games like WoW and CSS?
14:25<lontra>!anyone
14:25<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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14:30<KeDaO>wuxz64 good look.. xdd i tried it but it seems not very good for me
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14:35<wixz64>yes?
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14:36<TerminatorKiller>Hallo
14:37<wixz64>hi
14:37<TerminatorKiller>kann mir einer helfen wegen debian
14:37<wixz64>Terminator i dont think this is the german channel..
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14:37<TerminatorKiller>oki i nead help
14:38<wixz64>with?
14:38<TerminatorKiller>for debian
14:38<TerminatorKiller>packest
14:38<TerminatorKiller>lame
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14:38<TerminatorKiller>codec
14:38<TerminatorKiller>WARNING: FAAC not installed, AAC encoding DISABLED.
14:39<TerminatorKiller>Could not run liblame test program, checking why...
14:40<TerminatorKiller>one can help me because of this problem
14:41<KeDaO>TerminatorKiller what are you trying to do?
14:41<george>!en
14:41<dpkg>[en] english
14:41<george>ter
14:42<TerminatorKiller>install
14:42<TerminatorKiller>FAAC
14:42<george>!enter
14:42<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
14:42<TerminatorKiller>and Lame
14:44<JasonS>TerminatorKiller: aptitude install faac doesnt work?
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14:45<TerminatorKiller>I would like to install Lame amf FAAC start with myself on debian
14:46<lupine_85>TerminatorKiller: packages liblame0, libfaac0
14:46<JasonS>TerminatorKiller: how are you trying to install them?
14:47<lupine_85>hmm, though libfaac0 only appears to be local to me... so not in the repos right now? (I'm testing/sid)
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14:47<JasonS>lupine_85: its in stable as well
14:48<lupine_85>s/he'll need the -dev ones if trying to compile something, of course...
14:49<TerminatorKiller>I get this report
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14:49<TerminatorKiller>Could not run liblame test program, checking why
14:49<TerminatorKiller>The test program compiled, but did not run. This usually means
14:49<JasonS>TerminatorKiller: how are you trying to install them?
14:50<TerminatorKiller>apt-get install
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14:52<TerminatorKiller>hehehehehe does not find any packete
14:53<JasonS>TerminatorKiller: what release of debian are you running?
14:54<TerminatorKiller>Debian 3.1 (Sarge)
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14:56<ServerSide>lmao.
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14:57<Eulex>TerminatorKiller, liblame0 is not anywhere in debian. get it from debian-multimedia.org (if it sill supports sarge...)
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14:58<TerminatorKiller>oki
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14:59<TerminatorKiller>Thank you for the help
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14:59<wixz64>an easy question guys is a "AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+" 64bit os compatible?
14:59<lupine_85>almost certainly
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15:00<lupine_85>check the AMD website to be absolutely sure
15:00<Eulex>wixz64, yes, but think twice before running amd64 linux on a desktop box (if you're planning to)
15:00<wixz64>well its the only way for me to get my sound to work;P
15:01<Eulex>oh?
15:01<Eulex>wixz64, may I guess, x-fi?
15:01<lupine_85>seems.. unlikel
15:01<lupine_85>y
15:01<Eulex>creative has only released amd64 drivers for the x-fi
15:01<Eulex>and no i386
15:01<wixz64>!tell lupine_85 about X-FI
15:01<lupine_85>ZOMG
15:01<lupine_85>that's crazy
15:01<wixz64>yeah
15:02<george>stupid
15:02<george>foolish
15:02<george>etc :)
15:02<lupine_85>won't work with a kernel compiled with gcc 4.1.2, either?
15:02<Eulex>seems to imply that, yes
15:03<lupine_85>The X-Fi is a lemon and you want your money BACK
15:03<lupine_85>then you can go buy a reasonable soundcard
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15:03<Eulex>well, the hw is nice. the linux support is not.
15:03<wixz64>is it possible to like reinstall debian to 64bit verision through terminal without cds?
15:03<lupine_85>reasonable, in terms of driver support
15:04<lupine_85>wixz64: you want debootstrap
15:04<lupine_85>it's not exactly easy, though
15:04<Eulex>wixz64, if you dualboot, you could perhaps go buy some cheap sound card for use in linux?
15:04<lupine_85>in particular, things get a bit hairy when you turn the chroot into your /
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15:04<george>run xen
15:04<lupine_85>(especially if you're running an i386 system right now)
15:05<wixz64>well cleaned my computer since the driver was out.. but forgot about the 64bit..
15:05<lupine_85>hmm. yeah. 32-bit xen kernel in a 64-bit xen instance could work
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15:05<george>how much ram you got?
15:05<wixz64>ive tryed to install with ADM64 at first but the installation hanged..
15:05<Eulex>you'd not only need to install amd64 linux. as the driver doesn't compile with a gcc 4.x, you'd need probably need to recompile your full _kernel_ with gcc 3.4
15:05<lupine_85>but it'd still need compiling in gcc <4
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15:06<lupine_85>grabbing a different sound card is definitely the way to go, from my PoV. If you can get a refund on the Creative lemon, all the better
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15:09<wixz64>hmm.. ill give amd64 a try again.. brb if it dosent work..
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15:25<wixz64>hmm..
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15:31<george>is this --> http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_hdsp_cardbus_interface.php <-- supported by debian etch?
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15:35<wixz64>hmm guys when the os starts what line comes after "IO Scheduler cfq registered(default)"??
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15:41<Gugla>whats up guys
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15:41<Gugla>i hope someone can help me.
15:42<Gugla>my sound keeps goin in and out... yesterday someon here gave me a command
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15:42<Gugla>it was like irc.d usr/share/alsa-utils reset 0
15:42<Gugla>somethin like that.... not exactly but somethin like that anyone... know that command?
15:43<Gugla>would reallly appreciate the help.
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15:46<Gugla>?
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15:52<S3v3N>gn8, cya
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15:55<Gugla>hello.. anyone around?
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15:58<Gugla>yelp
15:58<Gugla>help
15:58<Gugla>:)
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16:00<rocio>hey
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16:09<Gugla>?
16:09<Gugla>anyone around now?
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16:09<Gugla>help
16:10<sooperkuh>!ask
16:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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16:11<Gugla>I am using debian etch havin problem w/ sound. yesterday i asked someon and they gave me a command irc.d etc/initi/alsa-utils reset 0
16:11<Gugla>somethin along those lines the command went.. and i put that command and in sound worked..
16:11<Gugla>it was for unmutin the volume... alsa mixer is not muted.
16:12<Gugla>so wanted to know the command again or if anyone else has a diff command line.. that i used yesterday.
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16:13<sooperkuh>Gugla: you mean "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart"?
16:13<Gugla>i have tried that... but that doesnt work.
16:13<Gugla>and tried the reset.
16:14<Gugla>/etc/init.d
16:14<Gugla>ok i am goin to try this one one sec.
16:14<Gugla>thanks
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16:15<Gugla>no sorry :(
16:15<Gugla>didnt work.
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16:17<Gugla>it was similar to that command...just cant remember... i am cursin at myself... for not remembering.. i should have wrote it down.
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16:19<Gugla>does the terminal keep la log or somethin to see what i did yesterday?
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16:19<koollman>Gugla: was it 'invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 ' ?
16:19<Gugla>and if so how can i check it..
16:19<Gugla>yea yea
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16:20<Gugla>thats the command i used yesterday...
16:20<Gugla>shit but now it doesnt work.
16:20<Gugla>aplay noise.wav
16:21<Gugla>what folder is that in?
16:21<koollman> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
16:21<Gugla>cool thx.. i am goin to try again...
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16:23<Gugla>bummer... doesnt work
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16:27<c19>Hi, my network timedout in the middle of an apt-get install is it possible to continue from where it errored?
16:28<Gugla>try it... i think it lets u resume..
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16:29<c19>Me thinks it is Gugla thanks for your help
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16:30<Gugla>any takers on the sound issue.
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16:30<Klibre>'lo
16:30<Gugla>the sound seems to be muted from somewhere... but i have checked everything...
16:31<ServerSide>i'm off, bye :)
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16:35<Gugla>/proc/asound/cards
16:35<Gugla>i run that command but everytime it keeps sayin Permission denied
16:35<Gugla>bash" permision denied.. and i am runnin as Root
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16:48<Hideo_Kuze>Gugla: you only typed /proc/asound/cards, that's all?
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16:50<bgat>is this where I go to get help on a debian-multimedia package (lame)?
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16:51<bgat>nevermind. :)
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17:11<flami>Hi I want to enable (userspace) powersave for my cpu , I used to load the centrino module , but this one seems to be reomoved , which modules do i have to load to get powermanagement ?
17:11<flami>I got a pentium M 2000 mhz (old old old ;) )
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17:12<flami>it was speedstep-centrino
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17:13<amphi>flami: not that old, I have a 1.6GHz here
17:13<flami>do you knwo if its still the speedstep-centrino module i need ? ;)
17:13<flami>whle back i read that itll be replaced
17:14<amphi>yes
17:14<flami>ok sweet
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17:14<amphi>there are also modules for the individual governators; I find conservative works well, FWIW
17:14<flami>i like userspace
17:15<amphi>flami: you like to set the freq yourself? ;)
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17:15<flami>no witht eh help of a tool :P
17:15<flami>soemtimes i just dont want it to go over 800mhz , I do it for the silence
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17:16<broatcast>exist a german channel?
17:16<flami>!de
17:16<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
17:16<broatcast>thxx
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17:37<schmichael>is there a deb package for pgadmin newer than 1.4.3 which is currently in unstable?
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17:39<dondelelcaro>schmichael: not to my knowledge. see #413675 and the bugs that are blocking it
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17:41<schmichael>dondelelcaro: :(
17:42<dondelelcaro>schmichael: feel free to jump in and help out with those bugs
17:42<schmichael>sounds like its depending on a newer version of wxwidgets
17:42<dondelelcaro>right
17:42<schmichael>which i know nothing about
17:42<schmichael>i wouldn't even know how to start helping fix that bug
17:42<schmichael>besides pestering the wxwidgets maintainer :(
17:43<dondelelcaro>you can learn...
17:43<schmichael>where do i start? :)
17:43<dkr>a byte is 8 bits
17:44<schmichael>got it
17:44<dkr>:D
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17:44<schmichael>yeah but do kilobytes or kibibytes come next?!?!
17:44[~]schmichael fails
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17:44<dkr>kibblesnbits
17:46<schmichael>i really hope images like this mean something to someone: http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/version.cgi?package=wxwidgets2.6;found=2.6.3.2.1.5;width=2;height=2;collapse=1
17:46<schmichael>for me its an excellent illustration of my ignorance of debian packaging :)
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17:48<witte>schmichael: if wxwidgets is the problem, you could mail the maintainer and offer your help?
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17:50<schmichael>i'm reading some lengthy bug reports trying to catch up on the situation :-/
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17:53<schmichael>its becoming quite clear that to help in this situation i would have to be an expert at wxwidgets and debian politics
17:53<schmichael>i'd rather use an old version of pgadmin frankly
17:53<Vanye>?
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17:54[~]schmichael is bemoaning the ancient version of pgadmin in debian
17:54<Vanye>Ah.
17:54<schmichael>seems there's no easy answer
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17:55<Vanye>Put a newer version in /usr/local/bin ?
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17:55<schmichael>definitely an option
17:56<Vanye>Then make sure $PATH searches that dir first.
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17:58<schmichael>nevermind... the dependency hell i'd have to go through to get there isn't worth it... :-/
17:58<schmichael>1.4.3 ftw!
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17:59<handl3r>hello
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18:00<Vanye>Slackware doesn't even seem to have pgadmin. Don't even know what it is.
18:01[~]Vanye hopes his Debian Etch download quick.
18:01<Vanye>CDs even.
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18:03<witte>Vanye: if you have a good internet connection, you do not need all teh cd's, just the first
18:04<witte>Vanye: the rest you can get from the web after you have a base-install
18:04<handl3r>I just installed debian etch from a netinst and now i get Fatal server error: no screens detected
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18:04<witte>handl3r: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:05[~]Vanye nods. I want them all anyway, just for backup and a quicker installation.
18:05<handl3r>ahhh right
18:06<witte>Vanye: you clearly do not have a limit on your bandwidth ;-)
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18:07<handl3r>alright i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
18:07<handl3r>but i get the same thing
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18:07<Klibre>does someone knows how to add the edevelop.org public key for the enlightenment repository ?
18:08<Klibre>i can't to find it ?
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18:08<Vanye>Yeah, but I have a sight limitation and need the speakup kernel to do the install. It's just nice not to have to mess with the net on top of everything else. That and my wireless modem really blows.
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18:16<Vanye>10 CDs? I only see 9 listed, and 3 update CDs. Don't need the netinst CD or other CDs, AFAIK.
18:16<JasonS>heh dont even need them all Vanye
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18:18<jacob>is this an ubuntu channel?
18:18<witte>!ubuntu
18:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
18:18<Supaplex>jacob: topic :)
18:19<Supaplex>thanks for asking though. far too many just assume
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18:20<jacob>Supaplex: i'm in the ubuntu channel and there's only about 5 people in it
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18:20<witte>Supaplex: do ubuntu irc clients go to #debian by default? I would think most ubuntu users have never heard of debian (initially at least)
18:20<schmichael>"it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards
18:20<schmichael>"
18:20<schmichael>? lol
18:20<Supaplex>jacob: freenode
18:21[~]Vanye ponders going over to #RedHat and listen to everyone ask, "Why doesn't my Winmodem work in Linux? It works fine in Windows."
18:21<jacob>Supaplex, what's that?
18:21<witte>!freenode
18:21<dpkg>[freenode] a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network, irc.freenode.net, and you can visit their web page at http://freenode.net/. You may be connected to Freenode. See also <oftc> and <fact sharing>
18:21<Supaplex>witte: not that I've found. I've downloaded sources of various irc clients. they patch them to use #ubuntu channels
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18:21<Supaplex>Vanye: no, more like ask them why they won't help with mandriva :)
18:22<Supaplex>"it uses rpms" ...
18:22[~]Vanye grins.
18:22<JasonS>Supaplex: heh indeed
18:22<handl3r>I'm still getting "no screens detected" when i startx
18:22<ltandco-dir>jacob: you are now on irc://irc.oftc.net/debian for ubuntu support you have to got to irc://irc/freenode.net
18:22<vita>thats my prob,too
18:22<witte>Supaplex: ok, it just surprises me that so many end up here
18:23<vita>thats the first link in a irc-prog
18:23<Supaplex>witte: likewise :) That's why I've helped fine tune a few factoids like <based on debian> etc
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18:25[~]Vanye wonders what the logs say. Used to have to use the VESA driver for his ATI video card.
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18:33<Vanye>Well, have fun all...
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18:47<flub>hello, d-i is failing on me by not finding the cdrom drive on an ICH8 chipset, any tips?
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18:49<EmleyMoor>Assuming I ever get the new machine booted, is there a file I could recover from the backup of an old failed machine which will request all the packages that were on that machine?
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18:50<diegox>Hi, I just downloaded some software (in binary form) but I can't get it to work. It is suposed to work by typing "gms [name-of-job]" where gms is the command and what is between brackets its argument. Evidently I am missing something but i don't know what is it. Can anybody help me?
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18:52<flub>EmleyMoor: if you have the old machine you can use dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections, then apt-get dselect-upgrade iirc
18:52<EmleyMoor>flub: The old machine is dead. I have backups of it up to a time about 18 hours before it died
18:52<flub>if not you can get the package list from /var/lib/dpkg/status and use sed/awk to create a list that is understood by dpkg --set-selections
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18:54<diegox>flub: I'm really new at linux, but i just overcame a similar problem by typing "generic.all_generic_ide=1" at the installer command line. Idon't know if it aplies to tour case.
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18:54<flub>diegox: yeah, i was googling around and found that too, but it doesn't seem to change anything for me :(
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18:56<flub>i wish i had a usb stick that is big enough to boot from and didn't contain my gpg key...
18:56<jacob>Itando-dir: how do i get into irc://irc/freenode.net?
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18:56<jacob>Itando-dir: put it in the konversation channel settings?
18:56<ltandco-dir>jacob: click on this link
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18:57<ltandco-dir>sorry - this work for me in browser :)
18:57<jacob>oh
18:58<flub>jacob: is there not a "connect to server" menu item somewhere?
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18:59<flub>i'm also guessing its irc://irc.freenode.net
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18:59<ltandco-dir>i just put link itno address bar in firefox and press enter - and my chatzilla will connect me
18:59<ltandco-dir>I am pretty new to this as well :)
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19:00<ltandco-dir>flub: you found a bug
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19:00<ltandco-dir>it was typo from my side
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19:01<EmleyMoor>I thought I'd found a flea the other day - turned out it was in something other than mutt
19:01<ltandco-dir>jacob: of course it has to be irc://irc.freenode.net and after just click on it
19:02[~]schmichael wishes URIs Just Worked (TM) for more protocols...
19:04<EmleyMoor>schmichael: tv://uhf.30 ?
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19:04<schmichael>ha
19:04<schmichael>exactly
19:04<schmichael>tv://uhf:30
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19:06<flub>diegox: he, i tried it again in expert mode with generic.all_generic_ide=1 and it worked this time... if it wasn't for you i wouldn't have tried that again, thanks!
19:06<diegox>I just downloaded a programme named "gamess" (a computational chemistry program) in binary form (i mean not source code to compile). I unziped it (it was in tar.gz form) on /home/gamess. The program is suposed to run based on previusly builded (by the user) imput files wich are text files, so the user must first build his imput file an then run the program by typing "gms imputfile.imp" in the command line of the console.
19:07<diegox>The thing is that linux doesn't recognize "gms" as a command.
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19:07<flub>diegox: it's not in your PATH
19:07<flub>try ./gms
19:07<flub>i.e. the path to the executable
19:08<flub>(although I can't reccommend to run any odd binary of the net... ;-))
19:09<themill>flub: gamess isn't just a random binary off the net....
19:09<diegox>flub: Let me see if i understand. I should type "./gms" instead of "gms" in the command line?
19:09<koollman>diegox: yes
19:09<flub>diegox: yes
19:09<flub>if the gms binary is in your current directory
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19:10<koollman>(if gms is present in the directory, and assuming it's a part of gamess, it should be)
19:10<themill>diegox: or /home/gamess/gms
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19:10<themill>!path
19:10<dpkg>somebody said path was the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells.
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19:11<adonias>lera
19:11<themill>diegox: ^^ it's all about the search path. you type "ls" and the shell looks for things in /bin /usr/bin etc. you type gms and it can't find anything unless you give it more hints.
19:11<themill>diegox: the hint means either the full path, the relative path or putting the location in your $PATH
19:12<adonias>Oi!
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19:13<adonias>Olá galera!!!
19:14<adonias>alguém tá afim de trocar uma idéia?
19:14<themill>!br
19:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
19:14<adonias>Ok
19:14<diegox>themill: $PATH is some kind of configuration file?
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19:14<ranix>lol diegox
19:14<ranix>$PATH is an environment variable
19:14<themill>diegox: $PATH is an environment variable. You can see the current setting by typing: echo $PATH
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19:15<ranix>even windows uses PATH
19:15<themill>diegox: You can set it by editing your .bashrc and adding the line: export PATH=$PATH:/home/gamess
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19:18<diegox>I don't want to be annoying, but what is an environment variable? :-(
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19:19<schmichael>diegox: you're not annoying
19:19<schmichael>think of them as settings
19:19<themill>!environment
19:19<dpkg>somebody said environment was Normally, this is your surroundings. In your computer, the environment is what a group of variables are set to. Think of it as your computer's surroundings. /etc/environment
19:19<themill>hmm... that wasn't overly enlightening, but it's a start.
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19:20<themill>diegox: they're settings that are stored in variables and are passed from program to program. They're a crude but effective way of performing basic configuration. Common ones are $HOME (your home directory), $PATH (the search path)
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19:21<themill>diegox: type "set" to get a full list of your environment
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19:21<themill>!general cli tutorial
19:21<dpkg>i guess general cli tutorial is http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/
19:22<themill>diegox: this online course about the command line might help you a bit ^^. Especially if you're going to be doing a lot of this with gamess.... ;)
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19:24<Supaplex>my GeForce 6100 nForce 430 (onboard) is using 256mb of system memory. There are no options in the bios (HP-Compaq-Presario SR5130NX using asus "IVY" mainboard). I don't intend to use X on this system. How can I reclaim or readjust that memory use?
19:24<diegox>themill: Thank you!!!! I'll read it.
19:25[~]Supaplex keeps googling around
19:25<Maulkin>Supaplex: what's in the bios then? Just an information screen?
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19:26<Supaplex>there's nothing significant :P I've been into every section and subsection/menu option etc.
19:26<Maulkin>Right. Is there any way of disabling the video card completely?
19:27<Supaplex>yes, by installing a pci-e one.
19:27<Supaplex>hummm maybe I don't need video at all. I wonder if I can disable it entirely
19:28<Maulkin>Looks like the graphics card uses shared memory. So no in that case.
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19:28<agustin>hi
19:29<Supaplex>I have a crummy pci card I could install. maybe that'll do
19:29<agustin>why the internet is soooo slow??
19:29<themill>dpkg: greet agustin
19:29<dpkg>Hi there, agustin
19:29<Maulkin>agustin: the bits of string that hold it together dried out.
19:29<agustin>why the internet is soooo slow in debian??
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19:30<Maulkin>Seems nice and fast here. It must be your bit of string.
19:30<Maulkin>Now... can you be more specific?
19:30<Maulkin>!ask
19:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
19:30<agustin>i have 1 mb of download and i am downloading at 4000 b/S
19:31<Supaplex>agustin: what's the url?
19:31<agustin>any
19:31<Maulkin>Right, your problem is at TDARGENTINA-4-0-0-0-grtbuecu1.red.telefonica-wholesale.net
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19:32<Maulkin>ie: your ISP is having issues. I'd suggest calling them.
19:32<agustin>no because i n windows i download normaly
19:32<ltandco-dir>augustin: who is your ISP provider>
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19:32<agustin>speedy
19:33<Maulkin>agustin: I'm watching the traceroute here, and seeing massive packet loss. There's definately a problem at your ISP
19:33<themill>ditto...
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19:34<agustin>what mirror in debian reccomends that is updated and with a good speed?
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19:34<ltandco-dir>wow maulkin themil: how I can do that?
19:34<agustin>i am using ftp.us.debian.com
19:34<Supaplex>agustin: use apt-spy, but that's pointless if your isp has infrastructure issues
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19:35<Maulkin>ltandco-dir: what?
19:35<ltandco-dir>quote:
19:35<ltandco-dir>I'm watching the traceroute here, and seeing massive packet loss.
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19:35<Maulkin>yes... man traceroute, man mtr
19:35<ltandco-dir>That ^
19:36<agustin>wait wait this is weird now i am downloading at 106 kb
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19:36<agustin>so i need to find a best mirror -.-
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19:37<Supaplex>agustin: from http://looking-glass.taide.net/ using mtr, 80% loss on TdArgentina-3-2-0-0-grtbuecu1.red.telefonica-wholesale.net 80% 1 5 275.60 275.60 275.60
19:38<ltandco-dir>augustin - not mirror but better internet provider
19:38<agustin>i have only 1 mb connection
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19:39<Supaplex>agustin: you might already know this to, owner: Telefonica de Argentina phone: +54 11 4332-2220 []
19:39<agustin>strange that is not my phone xD
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19:40<ltandco-dir>I suppose that is your ISP phone
19:40<ltandco-dir>8)
19:40<Supaplex>yes, ala whois :)
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19:41<agustin>but when i download from windows i dont have any problem so i dont think that is not a isp problem
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19:42<ltandco-dir>man when i instaled Debian server it was running perfect
19:42<ltandco-dir>after i did some changes
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19:42<Supaplex>agustin: as a systems admin, I would have high intrest in knowing about packet loss that high. You've had what, 5 opinions all in consensus on this issue?
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19:42<ltandco-dir>(bit playing with it)
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19:43<Supaplex>but it's not my network, or my internet connection, so alas it's your issue. :)
19:43<ltandco-dir> and it started to go sloooooow. When i reinstalled i got my hi speed back :)
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19:44<agustin>but i installed it the another day
19:45<ltandco-dir>I did not find out what was a problem. tough. :( I suppose this was a meddle part)
19:45<ltandco-dir>sorry: middle
19:45<infernix>does anyone know of a nice procmail frontend (pref. ncurses but X would work) or an easier replacement? my procmailrc is growing way too large to keep track of it all
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19:46<benji1984>hi people
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19:46<benji1984>can someone help me
19:46<ltandco-dir>Middle part - part between keyboard and monitor 8D
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19:47<ltandco-dir>benji: <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later...
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19:47<ltandco-dir>...or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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19:48<benji1984>ok tx
19:48<benji1984>i have a problem with my wifi. I can't configure
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19:48<benji1984>i'm running the latest version of debian ofr amd64 downloaded from www.debian.org
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19:49<benji1984>i try to confi my wireless network but i can't
19:49<Supaplex>benji1984: is it usb? or is it pci?
19:49<benji1984>and i search in internet everything
19:49<benji1984>pci
19:50<benji1984>my computer its notebook
19:50<Supaplex>benji1984: lspci -nn | grep -i net
19:50<benji1984>with wireless
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19:50<gsimmons>benji1984: Have you installed the 'wireless-tools' package? Does "iwconfig" return with an available wireless interface?
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19:51<benji1984>i install wireless-tools
19:51<themill>benji1984: we need to know what sort of wireless card you have before we can help any further. Please answer Supaplex's question.
19:51<Supaplex>benji1984: paste us the output of that command. if it's more than two lines, use a paste site.
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19:52<benji1984>lspci -nn show me lots of thing
19:52<Supaplex>use | grep -i net after it
19:52<azeem>benji1984: you forgot the grep
19:52<benji1984>i am doing
19:52<Supaplex>lspci -nn | grep -i net
19:52<benji1984>i am waiting
19:52<Supaplex>it should return instantly.
19:52<benji1984>nothing happen
19:53|-|mode/#debian [+l 275] by debhelper
19:53<Supaplex>hit ^C, try again. :)
19:53<azeem>benji1984: did you write all in one line?
19:53<benji1984>nothing
19:53<benji1984>no
19:53<Supaplex>supaplex@armada:~$ lspci -nn | grep 8139
19:53<Supaplex>01:0c.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
19:53<benji1984>should i?
19:53<azeem>benji1984: we don't write stuff fluffily just for fun, if you get told to execute a command line, do so
19:53<Supaplex>YES
19:54<benji1984>ok
19:54<azeem>benji1984: and don't try to think you only need half or so
19:54<benji1984>ok i have somthing
19:54<Supaplex>if you cannot follow instructions, you will not have success.
19:54<benji1984>lol ok
19:54<Supaplex>do you know how to select and paste?
19:54<benji1984>ya
19:55<Supaplex>it's only 1 or 2 lines right?
19:55<benji1984>03:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02)
19:55<benji1984>03:06.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
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19:55<Supaplex>!pciid 14e4:4318
19:55<Supaplex>!pciid 03:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4318] (rev 02)
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19:55<dpkg>egrep -i --color `echo 14e4:4318 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias
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19:55<benji1984>so...
19:56<Supaplex>benji1984: lsmod | grep bcm43xx
19:56<benji1984>ok
19:56<benji1984>bcm43xx 429056 0
19:56<benji1984>firmware_class 15616 2 pcmcia,bcm43xx
19:56<benji1984>ieee80211softmac 33792 1 bcm43xx
19:56<benji1984>ieee80211
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19:56<themill>!tell benji1984 about paste
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19:56<Supaplex>benji1984: you forgot the 2 lines or less suggestion. All I needed to know is, it's loaded. :)
19:56<benji1984>ok
19:57<benji1984>sorry
19:57<benji1984>:)
19:57<Supaplex>hopefully it should show up in ifconfig -a
19:57<gsimmons>benji1984: You'll also need to install firmware for use by the bcm43xx driver.
19:57<gsimmons>!tell benji1984 -about bcm43xx-fwcutter
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19:58<witte>!bcm43xx
19:58<dpkg>somebody said bcm43xx was the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx, or <bcm43xx-fwcutter>, or #bcm-users @ irc.freenode.net
19:58<Supaplex>this is where I get fuzzy on wireless. I know some wireless adapters do not show up until you define them. yeah, firmware's important to :)
19:58<benji1984>bcm43xx-fwcutter command not found
19:58<gsimmons>!installit
19:58<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude
19:59<Supaplex>eg, bcm43xx-fwcutter better not exist on my box. I have no use for it! :)
19:59<benji1984>i am doing what now?
19:59<Supaplex>read what dpkg just said
19:59<gsimmons>benji1984: Are you using Debian 4.0? ("Etch")
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20:00<benji1984>well i download 3 days agon
20:00<benji1984>ago*
20:00<benji1984>from debian
20:00<benji1984>for amd64
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20:01<gsimmons>benji1984: Okay, what does "cat /etc/debian_version" tell you?
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20:02<benji1984>4.0
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20:02<gsimmons>!bcm43xx-fwcutter etch
20:02<dpkg>"apt-get --purge remove bcm43xx-fwcutter ; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter". Reply 'No' when asked to fetch and install firmware. "cd /lib/firmware && wget http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && bcm43xx-fwcutter wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o && rm wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o". Version 3 firmware for the bcm43xx driver is now installed.
20:02<gsimmons>benji1984: Follow the _exact_ procedure above to install the bcm43xx firmware.
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20:04<benji1984>can't install
20:04<benji1984>apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
20:04<ltandco-dir>people - do I get it right that dpkg is machine and you are commanding it with !commands ?
20:04<Supaplex>benji1984: http://rafb.net/paste this: head -n 999 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
20:04<Supaplex>!bot
20:04<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
20:04<gsimmons>benji1984: Amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include "contrib" sources.
20:04<gsimmons>!tell benji1984 -about contrib
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20:05<benji1984>command not found
20:05<ltandco-dir>!contrib
20:05<dpkg>well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, the lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free>
20:05<Supaplex>benji1984: uh, which command?
20:05<ltandco-dir>8)
20:06<witte>!beer ltandco-dir
20:06[~]dpkg pulls out a tasty Delirium Tremens for ltandco-dir
20:06<benji1984>nothing lol
20:06<ltandco-dir>cheers, and thanks witte
20:06<Supaplex>uhm... your command not found, is nothing? cute.
20:06<benji1984>well
20:07<witte>!tell ltandco-dir about selftell
20:07<benji1984>aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter can't find name
20:07<azeem_>benji1984: did you read the stuff about contrib?
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20:07<Supaplex>witte: he didn't selftell :) he was repeating it for benji1984 because benji1984 apparently has not added contrib lines... yet..
20:07<Supaplex>no worries
20:08<Supaplex>benji1984 will follow instructions sooner or later. :)
20:08<benji1984>sooner
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20:08<azeem_>that factoid doesn't explain how to use an editor
20:08<Supaplex>it doesn't explain how to turn on your computer either
20:09<Supaplex>!tell benji1984 -about grounding
20:09<dondelelcaro>witte: nb, the selftell thing is really for people using !tell me about foo; not !foo.
20:09<witte>Supaplex: ah, I thought ltandco-dir just becoming aware of the bot, and it is nice to learn more about the bot
20:09<azeem_>!tell me about selftell
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20:09<ltandco-dir>witte: thanks - this is true
20:09<Supaplex>azeem_: ironic isn't it? :)
20:09<dondelelcaro>witte: msg is the right thing to use
20:10<benji1984>/etc/apt/sources.list
20:10<benji1984>nothing inside
20:10<azeem_>benji1984: then you don't run Debian
20:10<Supaplex>!tell benji1984 -about sources.list
20:10<azeem_>or is everythin in sources.list.d now?
20:10<witte>dondelelcaro: ok, sorry, but what do you mean with msg, a pm?
20:10<azeem_>yes
20:10<Supaplex>azeem_: ouuu good point.
20:10<benji1984>i am not running debian?
20:10<dondelelcaro>witte: oh, no reason to appologize; I meant the msg factoid
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20:10<Supaplex>benji1984: dpkg -l bash | grep bash
20:11<Supaplex>!+info bash etch
20:11<dpkg>Updating debian files... please wait.
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20:11<benji1984>eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20070819-12:16]/ etch contrib main
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20:11<witte>dondelelcaro: ah, ok, it is a new one, msg, will try to remember :P
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20:11<azeem_>uh-oh
20:11<azeem_>benji1984: how are you connected to this chat right now?
20:11<Supaplex>benji1984: if that machine has network access, you can comment out the disc, and use http/ftp
20:11<benji1984>ii bash 3.1dfsg-8 The GNU Bourne Again SHell
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20:12<azeem_>benji1984: through another computer?
20:12<benji1984>azeem
20:12<Supaplex>benji1984: good, it's etch for sure.
20:12<benji1984>i am connected with cable
20:12<benji1984>but i can't activate wirless
20:12<azeem_>benji1984: ok
20:12<azeem_>benji1984: you're in canada?
20:12<benji1984>if i run windows wireless work
20:12<benji1984>yes
20:13<dondelelcaro>mentor_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ <-- et al.
20:13<benji1984>someone speak french?
20:13<Supaplex>!fr
20:13<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
20:13<dondelelcaro>mentor_: err, sorry.
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20:13<benji1984>nobody answer my question
20:13<benji1984>there
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20:13<azeem_>benji1984: run 'echo "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian etch contrib main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list' as root
20:14<dpkg>bash: (The GNU Bourne Again SHell), section shells, is required. Version: 3.1dfsg-8 (etch), Packaged size: 852 kB, Installed size: 1848 kB
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20:14<benji1984>bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission non accordée
20:15<azeem_>"as root"
20:15<benji1984>yes
20:15<benji1984>i am as a root
20:15<azeem_>how did you become root?
20:15<Supaplex>benji1984: use an editor
20:15<benji1984>i open the terminal with administrater
20:15<benji1984>and
20:15<benji1984>sudo -s
20:15<Supaplex>you can't run a plain text file :)
20:16<benji1984>ok wait
20:16<azeem_>it's permission denied
20:16<benji1984>do you whant i copy past here?
20:16<benji1984>8 lines
20:16<azeem_>no
20:16<Supaplex>ohhh you ran echo as root?
20:16<ltandco-dir>benji - max 2 lines :)
20:16<benji1984>lol
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20:16<miksuh>try su instead of sudo
20:16<Supaplex>sudo su -
20:16<benji1984># deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20070819-12:16]/ etch contrib main
20:17<benji1984>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20070819-12:16]/ etch contrib main
20:17<benji1984>its okay
20:17<miksuh>you most likely don't have enough sudo rights
20:17<miksuh>in debian sudo is much more restrictive than eg. in ubuntu
20:17<Supaplex>redirection with sudo isn't suppose to work anyway
20:17<miksuh>by default i mean
20:18<apeitheo>what is the point of using sudo in ubuntu anyway?
20:18<Supaplex>what's the point of using ubuntu? I don't know
20:18<benji1984>doesnt work
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20:18<apeitheo>is it that you're conscious of being in root when running commands all the time (as opposed to just su'ing and running commands)
20:18<miksuh>apecat: they abuse it :P
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20:18<miksuh>apeitheo:
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20:19<miksuh>not apecat :)
20:19<ltandco-dir>!tell benji1984 about su
20:19<apeitheo>haha
20:19<ltandco-dir>ok :(
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20:19<ltandco-dir>!su
20:19<dpkg>Password:
20:20<apeitheo>hahaha
20:20<ltandco-dir>8)
20:21<benji1984>itandco-dir
20:21<benji1984>password?
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20:21<Supaplex>!rootshell ls
20:21<dpkg>bash# ls bash: ls: command not found
20:21<Supaplex>rats.
20:22<ltandco-dir>benji: when you try to become root you have to insert root's password
20:22<benji1984>no
20:22<benji1984>i didnt put password
20:22<benji1984>when i install debian
20:23<witte>you didn't?
20:23<Supaplex>sudo passwd
20:23<Supaplex>set a strong password
20:23<benji1984>ok
20:23<Supaplex>don't forget it
20:23<benji1984>done
20:24<Supaplex>now try su -
20:24<benji1984>source.list
20:24<ltandco-dir>and do not use ! on the begining i had such password
20:24<benji1984>i have only 2 web site
20:24<benji1984>debian
20:24<ltandco-dir> and always got bash:command not found :D
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20:24<benji1984>done
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20:26<benji1984>ok i download BCM43XX
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20:36<ltandco-dir>OK people, have fun, I have to go sleep it is nearly 2am over here
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20:37<osram>2:37 here
20:37<ltandco-dir>dutch, germany, poland, czech, ?
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20:38<ltandco-dir>I am in UK
20:38<osram>swed
20:38<apeitheo>8:30 here :)
20:38<ltandco-dir>cold?
20:38<osram>not in this room ^^
20:38<ltandco-dir>apeitheo: am?
20:38<osram>but the first snow has come
20:39<apeitheo>ltandco-dir, pm
20:39<ltandco-dir>yeah in czech was first snow nearly month ago
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20:40<ltandco-dir>apeitheo: this seem to be east coast
20:40<apeitheo>ltandco-dir, yes
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20:40<ltandco-dir>OK really have to go, will come again :)
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20:42<soberon>Good evening... A question please: I connected a usb wireless to my laptop; with "lsusb" appears with zd1211 driver and with "lsmod" appears too; How can i put it to work?
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20:44<Solver>hi soberon: you mean a wifi card?
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20:44<soberon>yes... but usb
20:44<Gugla>can i install from a external hd connected via usb
20:44<Solver>are you familiar with network interfaces?
20:44<yandrack>try to search drivers in synaptic, later try in google, if no results, you can use M$ drivers with ndiswrapper
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20:45<soberon>No... the wifi is recognaized and correctly related with the driver; but do not appears in Net
20:46<soberon>for configuration
20:46<soberon>"iwconfig" says no wifi
20:47<Solver>soberon: what does ifconfig say?
20:47<yandrack>I have alwais have the same problem, if yuo're using gnome maybe you could try with nm-applet
20:47<Solver>can you see an extra ethernet device?
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20:48<soberon>eth0 with parameters and lo
20:48<gsimmons_>soberon: Have you installed the 'zd1211-firmware' package?
20:48<Solver>soberon: I'm guessing eth0 is another device, like a NIC
20:49<soberon>not yet... zd1211-firmware? It is in synaptic?
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20:49<soberon>yes... eth0 is my wired
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20:50<gsimmons_>soberon: It's a non-free package. Provided you have non-free sources included in /etc/apt/sources.list, these will appear within synaptic.
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20:51<soberon>so, after install it What more must be done?
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20:52<soberon>And Do You have some non-free source to recommend me?
20:52<gsimmons_>!tell soberon -about non-free sources
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20:53<soberon>I get it!!! Thanks Gsimmons
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20:57<Gugla>where do i get curl package from anyideas friends?
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21:23<Cn>hi all
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22:01<bighornram>installing lenny netinst, it installs 2.6.22 kernel. machine hangs after the Ide probe. any suggestions?
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22:04<auriga>hola
22:04<auriga>que se hace aqui
22:04<auriga>hello
22:04<auriga>what happen in this place
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22:08<k-man__>hola
22:08<k-man__>not much
22:08<auriga>hola
22:08<k-man__>are you spanish?
22:08<auriga>yes i speek spanish
22:09<k-man__>i was just in spain
22:09<k-man__>we loved it
22:09<jhon>Hi, if I can boot my handheld with Linux Kernel 2.4.31, can I install any kind of Linux ? or the version of kernel its a limitant for that ??? Thanks!
22:09<auriga>where are you from
22:09<k-man__>australia
22:10<k-man__>jhon, most software should work with 2.4.31 afaik
22:10<auriga>i have fiends in australia
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22:11<auriga>hola
22:11<k-man__>cool
22:11<k-man__>where
22:11<jhon>k-man__ the question is, I boot my handheld Jornada820 ARM, but need to install some linux distro in a CFcard, can I install any distro ?
22:11<auriga>the capital
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22:12[~]Solver is from Australia but hasn't been back in ages :(
22:12<dondelelcaro>jhon: I don't know if linux is totally supported on the jornada, but Debian is generally the distribution to use on arm if at all possible; emdebian if you need something small.
22:12<auriga>hola
22:12<Solver>g'day :)
22:13<fsateler>I'm having trouble enabling dma on a SATA hard drive
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22:14<fsateler>hdparm -d1 /dev/sda says "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"... but surely a new (<1 year) drive must support dma?
22:14<jhon>I'm trying precisely Debian, but my intention is install Debian in my PC with Qemu, then copy the image of Hard Drive in the CFcard, but the installation of Debian come with kernel 2.6 and the jornada with 2.4,
22:14<jhon>is this a trouble ??
22:16<bighornram>any tips on the probe error in 2.6.22?
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22:32<Cn>hola
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22:45<aurigadl>hola
22:45<aurigadl>como vamos
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23:14<jnempu>is too dificult to make drivers in c++?
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23:17<Tanlaan>Hello everyone
23:18<user01>netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute.
23:18|-|brandon [~brandon@cpe-72-185-210-71.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
23:18<user01>ok . . . its a wireless modem?
23:18<brandon>hey all .. on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP...
23:18<brandon>the
23:18<brandon>sudo tasksel install lamp-server
23:19<brandon>says...
23:19<brandon>tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
23:19<brandon>anyone know why?
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23:20<Solver>brandon: well I use aptitude mostly. if you haven't done an update recently the packages your system knows about may be out of sync with the repository (ie, old)
23:21<user01>so i tried traceroute and got send: No buffer space available
23:21<Solver>brandon: i use aptitude (apt-get in the past). You could do something like this
23:22<Solver>brandon: start with aptitude update
23:22<brandon>do i need apt-get install apache or apache
23:23<Solver>i can't see a package named lamp-server
23:23<user01>how can i verify if traceroute is blocked?
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23:24<Solver>brandon: my approach would be to decided what components you wants (apache, php5, mySQL, etc)
23:24<Solver>and pull them down
23:24<Solver>after doing the aptitude update
23:24<Solver>you may want to do an aptitude upgrade if you haven't dong security updates recently
23:24<Solver>brandon: I never use tasksel (not even during an install) but i hope that helps
23:25<user01>i want to find the fastest debian mirror for me
23:25<Tanlaan>Hey everyone, I'm dual booting my old iMac G3 with OS 9 and Debian. I'm using the business card install disk and I'm waiting for it to install *I installed it before but decided to also have OS 9 along with it*. Now I'm wondering if anyone can help me with getting a GUI up and running. Previously I have found that if I use the "Desktop" option in the install it fails miserably, while I can download x-window-system and like kde, I can
23:26<Solver>user01: I seem to recall there was a deb tool for that. can't recall the name
23:26<gsimmons_>!tell user01 -about apt-spy
23:27<Solver>re traceroute it if keeps failing * * * and doesn't end successfully or with a regular error code (like !H) then it is blocked
23:27<Solver>user01: try tcptraceroute as an alternative
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23:28<user01>Solver, i was trying netselect, is that the same thing as apt-spy?
23:28<Solver>user01: I've never used netselect. try both and see how they perform
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23:31[~]Solver goes to watch tv - Dr Who reruns no less ;)
23:31<user01>Solver, apt-spy seems to at least be working
23:31<Solver>cool
23:31<Solver>yes I probably should use it myself again - been ages
23:31<user01>Solver, netselect said traceroute was probably being blockedd
23:32<Solver>you could look at netstat - apt-spy may well be using a tcptraceroute approach
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23:32<vovo>whenever I click on a link in mail, it opens in epiphany. how can I make iceweasel my default browser?
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23:33<user01>Solver, lots of cant connects
23:33<Solver>user01: from apt-spy or netselect?
23:34<user01>Solver, apt-spy . . .netselect isnt even working it says traceroute is blocked. . . see my posts when i first entered
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23:35<Solver>user01: leave apt-spy and see if it eventually returns a rational list
23:36<user01>Solver, im on a slow wireless modem, it might take awhile
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23:36<Solver>user01: ah :)
23:36[~]Solver is running it from a box too
23:36<gsimmons_>!tell vovo -about gnomebrowser
23:37<user01>Solver, ftp.at.debian.org is the fastest so far . . . is that even in the us? fastest at 16 kbps/s
23:38<user01>kB/sec
23:38<Solver>at = austria
23:38<Solver>it;s at the top of the list so I'd wait a while :)
23:39<user01>Solver, wow, well. . . im right at the border of canada . . . at those really are not too good
23:39<Solver>user01: I'm in canada surrounded on 3 sides by the US :)
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23:40[~]Solver goes to watch Dr Who
23:40<Solver>I'm leaving apt-spy going
23:40<user01>hmmm austria faster than spain
23:41<Solver>looks to only be using ftp, so odd if you had traceroute issues
23:41<Solver>hehee
23:41<user01>its like a debian olympics
23:41<user01>awww uk timed out
23:42<user01>french beat austria
23:42<vovo> + 1 /usr/bin/epiphany
23:42<vovo>* 2 /usr/bin/iceweasel
23:42<vovo>I get this output in update-alternatives
23:42<vovo>what do + and * indicate?
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23:43<user01>gtick rocks
23:43<vovo>earlier 1 was *+, when I selected, 2, 2 became * but 1 remained as +
23:44<user01>cant believe my guitar teacher wanted me to buy a metronome when there is gtick available and open source
23:45<gsimmons_>vovo: man update-alternatives
23:46<user01>Solver, i hope at the end apt-spy gives me a summary of the best so i dont have to scroll all the way down
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