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---Logopened Sat Nov 17 00:00:10 2007
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00:04<bako1>ok got a quick question. Linux general. when i run the command top i see process of programs I know i uninstalled how do i get rid of them? sudo kill -9 wzftpd? wzftpd being the program i unistalled
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00:05<bako1>it is ran as root
00:06<Deltantor>I dont really know, mostly because i use htop when killing processes
00:06<bako1>well i was checking memory
00:06<bako1>and it said i was using 2gigs
00:06<bako1>and i really have nothing running heh
00:06<bako1>Deltanor: should I ps aux then?
00:06<kingsley>bako1: Yes, kill -9 is one way to stop processes. "/etc/init.d/<daemon-name> stop" is another way.
00:07<bako1>kingsley: thank you i forgot about init.d
00:07<kingsley>bako1: You're welcome.
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00:10<bakon>kingsley: when I sudo kill -9 wzdftpd
00:10<bakon>ERROR: garbage process ID "wzdftpd".
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00:10<chealer>reflect: which codec's?
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00:11<chealer>reflect: oh, do you mean totem-gstreamer?
00:11<sortadi>bakon, you need the PID for kill -9
00:11<sortadi>bakon, not the actual name
00:11<kingsley>bakon: kill -9 should be passed the ID of the process, which is a number, not its name. You can see processes' IDs in the second column of "ps aux | less".
00:12<reflect>yeah
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00:13<bakon>thank you sortadi and kingsley
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01:14<keith>Debian 4.0. Etch. How do I install DeCSS onto my Debian system?
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01:25<keith>Debian 4.0,Etch. How do I install DeCSS onto my Debian system?
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01:34<jixiao>first time here,why can't see anyone saying?
01:35<bakon>no one is talking
01:35<bakon>very quiet unless you ask a question
01:35<bakon>like you just did
01:35<jixiao>oh
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01:40<george>can you get the debianized flashsupport for etch?
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01:43<george>!flash
01:43<dpkg>i heard flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
01:43<gsimmons>george: You'd want the 'flashplayer-nonfree' package.
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01:44<george>gsimmons: does that have the flashsupport thing in it? I'm playing with pulseaudio and having the client (in this case flash) on one machine and the audio hardware and pulseaudio daemon on the other... pulseaudio keeps saying "too many connections (64)"
01:44<george>and they say it's flash and flashsupport fixes that
01:47<george>gsimmons: also that package doesn't seem to be in etch
01:47<george>can you do like simple sid backport (even tho parts of it are closed)?
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01:48<george>!info flashplayer-nonfree
01:48<gsimmons>george: I'm sorry: "flashplugin-nonfree". It's in contrib.
01:48<george>ohh
01:49<george>ok, so does that have the flashsupport thing? (noting there exists a "flashsupport.c")
01:49<bakon>anyone here really good with rtorrent?
01:49[~]george is really good without rtorrent!
01:50<bakon>i meant scripting with it
01:50<bakon>there support channel is barren
01:50<george>oh you did?
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01:50<george>so does it have its own scripting language?
01:51<bakon>schedule = watch_directory_1,10,10,"load_start=~/Download/watch_stuff1/*.torrent,d.set_custom1=~/Download/stuff1/"
01:51<bakon>i understand that line
01:51<bakon> on_finished = move_complete,"execute=mv,-u,$d.get_base_path=,$d.get_custom1= ;d.set_directory=$d.get_custom1="
01:51<bakon>is the line that is giving me probs
01:51<george>that wasn't the question :)
01:51<george>so does it have its own scripting language?
01:51<bakon>i dont know
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01:52<george>so what language is that written in?
01:52<bakon>c+? i dont know
01:52<bakon>i know rtorrent is written in c+
01:53<george>ok, so the first thing you need to do is determine what language you can write scripts in
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01:53<bakon>well i want to edit that line i pasted
01:53<george>and what language is that line you pasted written in?
01:53<bakon>so i can upload a torrent into a specific directory and have it moved to another dir when finsihed
01:54<bakon>i have no idea
01:54<george>find out
01:54<george>what are three ways you can explore that question?
01:55<bakon>hah why do you talk down to me? heh
01:55<george>I'm trying to get you to think
01:55<bakon>i can easily google what i need and find the lnaguage
01:55<bakon>however i cannot script in any language
01:55<george>good, do that
01:55<bakon>and everything is already done for me by rtorrent
01:55<george>then you would need to learn how
01:56<bakon>i just need help decyphering that one line
01:56<bakon>you make a 5minute project into a 2week one
01:56<bakon>it was a simple question
01:56<george>ok, so it's either -you- do that research or -someone else- does that research
01:56<george>right? or am I wrong?
01:57<bakon>wrong
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01:57<bakon>someone may already know that string
01:57<bakon>and how to edit it to my liking
01:57<bakon>ive tried to research it
01:57<george>ok, are you prepared to pay my rate for doing the job?
01:57<bakon>and came up with nothing
01:57<bakon>you are weird
01:57<george>and that has what to do with this? :)
01:58<bakon>you twist things around
01:58<bakon>a simple No i dont know or nothing at all would of been good
01:58<bakon>most people help each other out and you never know when someone else may need help
01:58<bakon>i would not ask a question in a channel if I did not try to solve the problem myself
01:58<george>*: anyone think I'm handling this incorrectly/abusively/in a off-topic way? say now please. I'll stop.
01:58<bakon>theres no one else here
01:59<bakon>but I think you are
01:59<george>yes there is
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02:00<george>so I'm elected to (1) do the research for you and then (2) rewrite your line so that you like it... oh yes, I forgot, and (1.5) interview you to determine what (your words) "to my liking" means and finally (3) deliver it to you
02:01<george>no, sorry, I'd want $1000
02:01<bakon>the line doesnt need to be rewritten
02:01<bakon>i just do not understand what it means
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02:01<george>what would be required for you to understand the line yourself?
02:01<bakon>im done tlaking to you, you are too arrogant for me to deal with
02:02<bakon>talking*
02:02<george>that means: what would YOU HAVE TO DO in order to understand it YOURSELF?
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02:03<george>see bakon... to get free help from people where you won't generate resentment toward you, you have to show your willingness to do at least some of the work yourself
02:03<george>you haven't done any of that
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02:04<george>have you noticed ANYONE stepping up?
02:05<george>cmon... anyone want to help this guy? please... go... help him...
02:06<reflect>hah
02:07<george>reflect: want to help him?
02:07<bakon>i never asked anyone to do the work for me I merely asked for guidance in the right direction
02:07<reflect>yeah as soon as he determines what language the scripting can be done in.
02:07<reflect>just as you asked him to.
02:08<reflect>didnt think it was that complicated of a request if he wants help, know what your asking for help in.
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02:08<george>well maybe not at this point... he's saying "fuck you" in -so- many ways...
02:08<bakon>im asking for help with the config file of rtorrent, anyone familiar with rotrrent will know what Im asking
02:08<bakon>and when I say help i just mean guidance I will do the work myself
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02:09<george>what is the name of that file?
02:09<george>there should be a section 5 man page that describes its format
02:09<chealer>george: try avoiding CAPS when possible.
02:10<george>oh, even when I -am- yelling at him? :)
02:10<reflect>what exactly are you trying to do
02:10<suiside>it's not really a scripting language, it's a syntax used by the rtorrent config file, the rtorrent documentation would be his best bet
02:10<bakon>suiside: i am reading that and the man files
02:10<chealer>george: and yelling too, if possible :)
02:11<bakon>I believe i have answered my question already
02:11<bakon>however the answer is simple and if someone knew the answer it would of saved me 20minutes by telling my to edit custom1 in rtorrent
02:11<bakon>by hitting ctrl+x
02:12<suiside>bakon: then your not reading hard enough # When the torrent finishes, it executes "mv -n <base_path> /mnt/data/downloads/rt-completed/" # and then sets the destination directory to "/shared/downloads/rt-completed/". on_finished = move_complete,"execute=mv,-u,$d.get_base_path=,/mnt/data/downloads/rt-completed/;d.set_directory=/mnt/data/downloads/rt -completed/"
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02:13<george>bakon: yay! now why did you have to make it so hard? listen: most of these volunteer help services get hit -all day- with requests. the least you can do is try to take the load of your own situation yourself... more generally, there is a way that most people whether they are helpers or not operate, and that is in a social, cooperative way where they do work that it's possible for them to do
02:13<george>you can join in.
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02:14<george>and it would be in your interest to do so and/or learn how
02:14<bakon>george: I do not agree with the way you "tried" to help. I asked a simple question and I do pitch in help in any channel when I have thye answers
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02:15<george>bakon: we can go back and forth on this forever... some things are true whether you agree or not
02:15<bakon>suiside: thank you for the help
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02:17<george>it's not in my interest to go back and forth with you... I'd rather find a cool woman to make out with, so maybe we'll talk later
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02:22<Ugly_Duck>what is the name of the kernel image i need to get from apt sources?
02:22<Ugly_Duck>its been a while, kernel-source, linux-image etc
02:22<cahoot>linux-image-x
02:22<cahoot>(since etch IIRC)
02:24<linac>Use:apt-cache search linux-image it would list all linux-image
02:24<Ugly_Duck>thank you very much
02:25<Kaine[zof]>ok quick newbie question/ will the update manager update me to 4.0r1 or do i have to do it manually?
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02:27<Kaine[zof]>oh and closing my laptop lid seems to offset my display vertically but mouse input is unaffected, could this be an ACPI problem?
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02:30<Ugly_Duck>linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
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02:30<Ugly_Duck>its a little confusing as there are more than one to choose from
02:31<Ugly_Duck>its a celeron 850mhz
02:31<Ugly_Duck>so i'm guessing its this one i need
02:32<Kaine[zof]>yes 686 is what you want
02:32<Kaine[zof]>it's what i'm running on a PIII 866
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02:33<Kaine[zof]>which is basically the same.
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02:34<Ugly_Duck>cheers :)
02:35<Sudhir>hi
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02:37<winsharp>anybody?
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02:39<Kaine[zof]>nope.
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02:44<jacob>can somebody explain to me why the ubuntu channel is so few?
02:45<cahoot>try freenode.net
02:45<jacob>how do i do that?
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02:46<bakon>jacob type /server irc.freenode.net
02:46<bakon>then ./join# ubuntu
02:46<bakon>well typed right /join #ubuntu
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03:27<ps_>hi
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03:29<ps_>can one tell me why the thunderbird is screwing up ? bug report sent to mozilla has been canceled with "feel free to complain by debian" ? :-/
03:29<ps_><--- uses lenny
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03:40<Silvio>i tried installing vmware tools, but am having problems with the kernel headers (which on this default install is 2.6.18-5 and 2.6.18-5-486) being not the same version as my kernel (2.6.18-5-686).. i've tried installing the correct kernel headers, but there appears to be a conflict as reported by apt-get (i can copy if u want.. but there seems to be problems on debian site with alot of kernel headers)
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03:41<Silvio>from http.us.debian.org liux-headers-2.6.18.4_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb 404 Not found
03:42<Silvio>that was from trying to install linux-headers-2.6.18-5-486
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03:43<Silvio>the real one i want is 2.6.18-5-686, but it compains "depends linux-headers-2.6.18-5 (= 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13) but 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch4 is to be installed
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03:52<ps_>hi silvio, i also have problems with vmware
03:53<ps_>at first a had to set CC to the right compiler
03:55<ps_>then all modules will be compiled but vmmon.o fails on loading with "unknown symbol in module" (have 2.6.21-2-686)
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03:57<tarik>hello
03:57<ps_>hi
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04:05<Silvio>ps; i will try installing 2.6.21
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04:10<Silvio>ps; can i ask you what mirror site ur using? i can only see 2.6.18 from http.us.debian.org
04:10<Topone55>ciao a tutti
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04:13<Silvio>oh. ur using unstable.. might explain it.
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04:35<riboflavin>hello
04:35<riboflavin>what is download manager for debian?
04:36<riboflavin>i mean download manager that i can resume download back when im online
04:36<simonrvn>wget -c
04:36<Gathond>does most browsers not include this now?
04:36<simonrvn>yeh
04:37<riboflavin>wget -c? ok thanks
04:37<simonrvn>man wget
04:38<george>btw, you can only resume a download when you're connected to the net
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04:38<simonrvn>duh ;)
04:39<riboflavin>hehe
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05:01<MY>ayu
05:01<MY>jyh
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05:17<slept>I am trying to find a page with the status of lenny but almost all the information I get from http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ is about etch , what am I missing ?
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05:19<george>here are a buncha research destinations that might help you
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05:19<george>www.debian.org/devel
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05:19<george>debian-devel@lists.debian.org
05:19<george>#debian0devel
05:20<george>hmm
05:20<george>#debian-evel
05:20<george>I'll get it right...
05:20<george>#debian-devel
05:20<george>here or freenode
05:21<george>maybe other nets too, dunno
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05:22<george>probably someone forgot to update that page
05:22<slept>thanks
05:23<george>there's alioth.debian.org too
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05:24<joaquim>bom dia
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05:25<george>alioth is a somethingforge
05:25<joaquim>instalei o debian na minha maquina mas n tou conseguindo montar a partição ntfs
05:25<joaquim>como faço?
05:25<pumpkin0>!br
05:25<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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05:26<joaquim>ok
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05:26<lord_oxcha>salam kenal... ^_^'
05:26[~]george slams a canal
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05:29<lord_oxcha>cayooooooooo...............?!!!!!!!!!
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05:46<nigel>Can anyone give me a clue how to make a second hard drive the primary boot disk?
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05:47<nigel>Currently booting off an ide drive, which is failing, want to transfer to a satat drive without wiping
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05:53<lord_oxcha>hei... hei... hei...
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05:57<nigel>Morning?
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06:04<lord_oxcha>mimpi ya...? jam sgini bilang morning..?!
06:04<lord_oxcha>evening lgi....
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06:09<computer>can i voice chat in Pidgin in yahoo chat room?
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06:11<pelletut>do i get problems if i install windows after linux ??
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06:13<Eulex>pelletut, windows will overwrite your bootloader without asking. so yes.
06:13<Eulex>pelletut, it's very possible to restore the bootloader again, though.
06:13<Eulex>!reinstall grub
06:13<dpkg>i heard reinstall grub is documented at http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html
06:14<pelletut>Eulex aha... how do i do that easy ??
06:15<Eulex>read the documents dpkg linked you to
06:15<pelletut>uhu oh.... i dont' understand mutch...i am new to this
06:16<Eulex>basically, boot the installer into rescue mode.
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06:17<Eulex>then run grub-install on the right device.
06:17<pelletut>okay... i use ubuntu... so i do it from the live cd in recovery mode ?!
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06:18<Eulex>!ubuntu
06:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
06:19<pelletut>okay !!
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07:00<pgimeno>Hi, I realize this is not a Debian issue but it's related to how Debian organizes directories and stuff and I couldn't really think of a proper place. (If it's not appropriate here, I'll be happy to hear about the proper place.)
07:01<pgimeno>I have installed Prefbar for Iceape and it has an option to disable Flash. However, it does not work. It acts by renaming /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/libflashplayer.so
07:02<pgimeno>But in Debian, it's a symbolic link to ../../flashplugin-nonfree/
07:03<pgimeno>If I remove the symbolic link and replace it with the actual file, Prefbar works, i.e. the renaming takes effect.
07:03<pgimeno>(I mean, Iceape doesn't find the plugin when renamed.)
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07:04<pgimeno>Is there any way around this? The plugin is 7 Mb long, so I'd like it to be shared rather than duplicated. I use Iceweasel sometimes.
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07:05<fxiny>man update-alternatives , clue : update-alternatives --install or --config
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07:06<pgimeno>fxiny: I have used update-alternatives, but don't really know what you mean. The problem is that Iceape finds the plugin in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ even when the symbolic link is renamed.
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07:08<fxiny>pgimeno: i don't have iceape , i'd check iceape about:plugins to see where it points and iceape dot home/dir for a plugin dir or a pluginreg.dat
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07:13<R0CK>hello
07:13<pgimeno>fxiny: It points to /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/ as expected. Still, it is found somehow when it is a symbolic link and not a file.
07:14<pgimeno>Which is very puzzling to me.
07:14<R0CK>guys, I want to deny any access on my smtp "port 25" server from external "eth1"
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07:15<R0CK>I used iptables -A INPUT -j DENY -p tcp --destination-port 25 -i eth1 but it's still can be accessed from outside local.
07:16<R0CK>any idea ?
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07:16<fxiny>pgimeno: what is in /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/ ? a symlink or a real libflashplayer.so ?
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07:17<pgimeno>fxiny: Originally it's a symlink. As a symlink, the renaming doesn't keep Iceape nor Iceweasel from finding the plugin.
07:17<R0CK>:\
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07:18<pgimeno>R0CK: I'm using iptables and trying to find a clue, hold on please.
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07:18<R0CK>okay thanks.
07:19<pgimeno>fxiny: I have tried removing the symlink and copying the .so file to the plugins directory. In that case the renaming *does* keep Iceape from finding the plugin (I haven't tried with Iceweasel.)
07:19<fxiny>pgimeno: renaming ? you should run : update-alternatives --install /name /path/to to creatre a new one in /etc/alternatives or you shoul run update-alternatives --config name to "rename" it
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07:20<pgimeno>fxiny: The renaming is done automatically by Prefbar. It renames libflashplayer.so to libflashplayer.so.prefbar in the /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/ so that (supposedly) Iceape doesn't find it.
07:21<pgimeno>R0CK: I think it's -j DROP rather than DENY
07:21<fxiny>pgimeno: try to install it update-alternatives --install libflashplayer.so.prefbar /path/to
07:21<fxiny>as i said i don't have iceape so i've never done it before
07:22<pgimeno>fxiny: I'll try, thanks.
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07:22<fxiny>pgimeno: no and good luck : dig into update-alternatives nice debian way of doing this stuff : i bet you'll love it
07:22<fxiny>np*
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07:23<pgimeno>good :)
07:23<R0CK>sure it's INPUT , OR OUTPUT ?
07:23<valdyn>pgimeno: no, "DROP" is just the antisocial alternative
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07:23<valdyn>pgimeno: i.e. just drop, dont inform the peer that access is denied
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07:24<pgimeno>valdyn: oh, but DENY is not in my man page
07:25<pgimeno>R0CK: I believe it's INPUT
07:25<fxiny>valdyn: you are stuck in between a ROCK and a pigmeno place ;)
07:25<pgimeno>P. Gimeno, please ;)
07:25<fxiny>ops
07:25<fxiny>pgimeno: yeahhhh :)
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07:25<pgimeno>(sorry to be picky)
07:26<fxiny>hehehe
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07:27<valdyn>pgimeno: you're right, its REJECT
07:27<R0CK>Guys, Please
07:27<fxiny>still sailing ....
07:27<R0CK>I'm in the server room
07:27<R0CK>the whole company is stopped.
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07:28<R0CK>I had some spamming from my sendmail server, I was to deny listening on the port 25 from external Ethernet.
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07:29<R0CK>I'm not able to configure the listening because I'm using SMTP Proxy not sendmail.
07:29<pgimeno>R0CK: valdyn told you the correct way to specify how to reject traffic to port 25 (use -j REJECT rather than -j DENY)
07:30<R0CK>iptables -A INPUT -j REJECT -p tcp --destination-port 25 -i eth1
07:31<pgimeno>R0CK: make sure there's no previous rule overriding that one, iptables -nL INPUT (or iptables -L INPUT if you want names)
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07:31<R0CK>i did iptables -F
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07:32<pgimeno>good
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07:34<valdyn>R0CK: you might not want to use -A but -I i think to ensure that rule is on top
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07:41<R0CK>thanks guys
07:41<R0CK>it's fine right now.. denying access on the eth1
07:41<pgimeno>yw :)
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07:49<pgimeno>Thanks for the pointer to update-alternatives, fxiny - and thanks for the REJECT clue, valdyn
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07:50<pgimeno>Bye!
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07:55<creamers_>remotely use a java app without X . (as lightweight as possible) What are my options? Anyone with tips so I can go and search some more...?
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08:36<jaakko>I have an old computer, 200 MHz and 128 MB ram. If I install debian (base), xorg-core and iceweasel, it is too slow for anything. With Windows XP and IE it is usable :-O
08:36<jaakko>How can I get more light weight graphical debian?
08:36<witte>jaakko: choose a light wm, not kde or gnome
08:36<jaakko>os is it just the iceweasel which is heavy?
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08:37<witte>jaakko: for instance icewm of xfce
08:37<jaakko>witte, I don't have display/window manager at all
08:37<jaakko>just xorg and iceweasel, still slow
08:37<jaakko>is xfree lighter?
08:37<witte>jaakko: xfee and xorg should be the same
08:37<Nemoder>iceweasel/firefox uses quite a bit of ram
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08:38<witte>jaakko: you could try dillo
08:38<witte>instead of iceweasel
08:38<Nemoder>or netsurf, or maybe even opera
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08:39<witte>jaakko: your pc should be workable however, but if you have some ram available, that would help
08:39<jaakko>Only really working browser I have found so far is dillo.. but it is HTTP 1.0.
08:40<jaakko>How did people surf the net with debian 10 years ago?
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08:40<fxiny>check fluxbox and links2 , maybe iceweasel runs with 128MB
08:40<witte>jaakko: your system is swapping constantly with iceweasel on?
08:40<jaakko>witte, I think so yes
08:41<TBBle>10 years ago, (Well, 7, but the machine was already old) I found konquerer faster than mozilla.
08:41<jaakko>fxiny, I tested links, and it fine too, but not graphical browser.
08:41<witte>jaakko: try this, maybe it helps: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Reducing_memory_usage_(Firefox)
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08:41<TBBle>These days I'd try w3m w/ w3m-img. It's a text-browser, but with images.
08:42<fxiny>10 years ago ? 128MB was ok for woody
08:42<fxiny>jaakko: links2 is graphical
08:42<jaakko>fxiny, oh, then I will try it.. thanks.
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08:44<fxiny>jaakko: np
08:45<jaakko>witte, that link seems to be handling more firefox in use, it will not help, even starting takes allmost 1 minute. Is there an easy way to compile lighter firefox?
08:45<witte>jaakko: just checking, and firefox should use about 30 MB memory
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08:46<Twistendo>hi]
08:46<fxiny>i believe you can run iceweasel with flux+128MB
08:46<witte>jaakko: i do not know any, all my machines htat I use for regular browsing have 512 or more, so I did not need it
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08:47<Nemoder>jaakko: have you run something like top or gps to see where all your resources are going?
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08:48<fxiny>jaakko: what desktop are you running ?
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08:48<witte>jaakko: a nice article by IBM on memory usage, but I am not sure it is usefull for you: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-memory.html
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08:49<jaakko>Nemder: actually not, but there is no other programs except minimal debian.
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08:49<Nemoder>well if you are running any services you don't need it might help to shut them down
08:50<jaakko>This is not so much problem, I usually work with faster computer, but I am interested to solve this. I was supprised that WinXP and IE runs decently, but no linux and browser...
08:50<fxiny>oh btw : i'm checking firebug 3.0b1 and it seems pretty tast at least on gmail and many other sites
08:50<fxiny>fast*
08:50<fxiny>still buggy
08:50<fxiny>:)
08:51<fxiny>jaakko: decently ? what desktop are yo running ?
08:51<jaakko>fxiny: no desktop at all :)
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08:53<jaakko>But in Windows there is a plenty of programs, and a desktop..
08:53<fxiny>xp can't run with 128MB . maybe w2k but no xp
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08:53<dnanar>hi all !
08:53<jaakko>fxiny: it can run, i have it installed. no problem.
08:53<witte>jaakko: i used to run debian on a 133 MHz and 128 MB ram, and that worked reasonably for iceweasel etc (given it took a while to start)
08:53<fxiny>jaakko: some lite one maybe
08:53<dnanar>i'm trying to remove python-foomatic through aptitude: http://rafb.net/p/UKHVzq94.txt . Does anyone know how to solve this please ?
08:54<jaakko>fxiny: I bought WinXP oem license and installed from CD, nothing special.
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08:55<jaakko>witte: yes, I think many did that, used debian for browsing. May be that older versions of firefox and xorg make the difference?
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08:56<fxiny>jaakko: debian still rocks : PII 400 224444 mem . 9 mrxvt tabs . iceweasel ,. rtorrent , squid , xmms2 and last two vservers running on a 2.6.18-5-vserver-686 kernel . microsoft can dream of this
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08:56<dnanar>(i'm on debian lenny) anyone may help me please ?
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08:56<ag3r>hi
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08:57<witte>dnanar: did you check the bug tracking system?
08:58<fxiny>whenever i watch my box i can hear the spot : "what else ?"
08:59<dnanar>yes, and i did not find anything
08:59<fxiny>an expresso ...
08:59<jaakko>fxiny: yes, debian is a good OS.. Works fine on this laptop.
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09:02<jaakko>dnanar: seems that /usr/bin/pycentral is plain text python file.. I read it a while and check if I find a solution.
09:02<fxiny>jaakko: anyway we have more games to play : say xen , so is worth getting a faster box , etch will be the last running on this one
09:03<dnanar>jaakko: how could i know if you find a solution please ?
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09:04<jaakko>dnanar: if you can wait a moment, I will tell you :)
09:04<jaakko>Have you many versions of python installed?
09:05<dnanar>ok :-)
09:05<dnanar>python2.4 and 2.5
09:05<dnanar>huh well in fact on an other channel someone said to me to add the set -x at the top of pycentral i did it and this work :-)
09:05<dnanar>thanks anyway :-)
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09:06<jaakko>dananr: ok, good that you get it work.
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09:06<dnanar>:-)
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09:09<jaakko>fxiny: Can you gime me again those links you and witt.. gave me. I am so newbie with this irssi I can't see them anymore. please.
09:09<jaakko>fxiny: gime=give
09:09<witte>jaakko: which links are you referring to?
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09:10<jaakko>witte: handling memory.. was it ibm
09:10<jose>pirataverde:DAjBu5Cla4XI
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09:10<witte>http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-memory.html and http://www.simplehelp.net/2006/07/11/how-to-lower-the-amount-of-memory-that-firefox-uses/
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09:11<jose>buenas tardes
09:11<jaakko>witte: thank you
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09:18<jaakko>What do you think about gnome's network manager? First I liked it, but then I noticed that I can't remove a network/SSID from it. I removed network-manager instead.
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09:21<jaakko>I think it is not debian quality application, and I hope there would be an alternative program shipped with default debian installation.
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09:37<noobman>can someone help me pls with changing permission on a hdd partition
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09:37<Eulex>noobman, what file system?
09:38<noobman>nfs
09:38<lupine>!vfatrw
09:38<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
09:38<lupine>just s/vfat/ntfs/
09:38<noobman>ok m8 thx
09:39<noobman>forgot that
09:39<Eulex>noobman, you mean ntfs, right?
09:39<noobman>it s working now
09:39<noobman>yup
09:39<noobman>had a write error in fstab
09:39<noobman>thx
09:40<noobman>and how can i change the owner of a partition?
09:41<noobman>sry for all the noob questions
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09:43<noflash>noobman, man chown
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09:44<Eulex>noflash, ntfs has no unix permissions. chown won't help him.
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09:44<Eulex>noobman, uid and gid in the factoid above. set them correctly in your fstab.
09:46<noobman>ok working on it :P
09:47<Eulex>noobman, that is, you need to enter the group and user id. the name of them won't do.
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09:48<noobman>ok so looking ad there id s and bringing those in
09:48<noobman>ok thx
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09:48<noobman>it s working now
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09:48<noobman>btw thx for the fast and good help
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09:48<ChaosR>!vlc
09:48<dpkg>vlc is, like, the VideoLAN Client. It's a MPEG2 client/server program for broadcasting. It can also be used standalone as an normal MPEG2/DVD player. See http://www.videolan.org, or apt-gettable.
09:49<ChaosR>vlc is missing in lenny, how do I get it?
09:49<Eulex>vlc from unstable works well here. but if you're cautious you could do a simple sid backport.
09:49<gsimmons>ChaosR: You can backport it from sid.
09:49<ChaosR>from there :+
09:50<ChaosR>it is almost better to simply build it from source
09:51<ChaosR>wait
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09:51<Eulex>ChaosR, no. you won't get the benefits of package management then.
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09:52<ChaosR>then how do I get it, without messing my system up, last time I tried to get something from sid/unstable, it resulted in reinstalling my system
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09:53<gsimmons>!tell ChaosR -about simple sid backport
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09:55<ChaosR>E: Build-dependencies for vlc could not be satisfied.
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10:06<kurumin>?
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10:28<kaputtmacher>hi there
10:29<kaputtmacher>is there an faq about channel-rules of #debian ?
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10:31<JasonS>kaputtmacher: /topic is a good place to start
10:31<kaputtmacher>ok thx
10:32<bzed>!tell kaputtmacher about rules
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11:29<trueno>Hi!
11:29<trueno>Is there a way to manually alter the control file of a binary .deb?
11:30<abrotman>you can build it from source yourself
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11:31<lupine>trueno: you can extract it and modify it and put it back together again - it's a few tgz's in an .ar file
11:31<lupine>better to do as abrotman suggests though
11:32<lupine>cue "there is no source"
11:32<kaputtmacher>i have two hard drives in my machine. the first (30gb master on ide1) is for the system, the second one is (500gb slave on ide1) for my files. My problem is: the second hd is sometimes recognized and sometimes not. can someone tell me how to find out whether it has something to do with the irq's or something else ?
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11:36<trueno>abrotman: lupine: thanks... Is there any good tutorial on biulding .debs from binary packages?
11:36<abrotman>!source
11:36<dpkg>To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'.
11:36<lupine>some, but you don't really want to
11:37<abrotman>trueno: what are you trying to do to the rules ?
11:37<lupine>but it's really simple - directory tree in data.tar.gz, everything else in control.tar.gz (these files are all identical to what you'd create for a source debian/ directory, so see the debian new maintainer's guide)
11:38<trueno>good...
11:41<trueno>abrotman: change the dependency of python-gpod from libgpod2 (=0.5.4XXX) to libgpod2 (>0.5.4XXX) as I have used the libgpod2 from ubuntu... However, I am considering uninstalling libgpod2 and install libgpod3 (the most ...
11:41<trueno>current from svn). I don't know how it will afect the dependencies from amarok and other packages...
11:41<abrotman>uhm .. ok
11:42<trueno>libgpod3 is in experimental, the rest of my apps are from sid
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11:44<S3v3N>Hello guys. I have a problem with installing debian, it doesn't detect dhcp network... yes my network card is working, because i had xp before on computer and all was working, so how can i set up the internet during the setup? (i have dynamic ip)
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11:47<S3v3N>Hello guys. I have a problem with installing debian, it doesn't detect dhcp network... yes my network card is working, because i had xp before on computer and all was working, so how can i set up the internet during the setup if it doesn't detect dhcp? i know how i need to have config in /etc/network/interfaces (i have dynamic ip)
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11:51<_Tango_>how Linux managing the Hot pluging power controlling ?
11:51<_Tango_>by ACPI ?
11:51<_Tango_>for the new modern hot pluggable devices
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11:56<witte>S3v3N: http://blog.psuter.ch/?p=14
11:56<witte>_Tango_: yes, i believe it is acpi
11:57<S3v3N>witte: i know that dude
11:57<S3v3N>witte: but if i install now only base system and fix the internet later then nothing wont work even if i'll try to update
11:57<S3v3N>apt-get update wont work, apt-get upgrade wont work, nothing...
11:57<witte>S3v3N: ah, ok did not read your question very well
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11:58<S3v3N>i don't know how do i get work internet during the setup if dhcp cannot be detected :s
11:58<witte>S3v3N: you can always go to a console if you want during install (ctrl -alt-f2) or using the menu
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11:59<S3v3N>and there i can edit interfaces ?
11:59<witte>S3v3N: there you can manually edit it
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11:59<S3v3N>hm nice i'll try and i'll tell you if it works
11:59<witte>S3v3N: yes, but most likely your dhcp is not working because your network card is not detected or dhcp is not working correctly
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12:00<witte>S3v3N: did you release the ip in windows (that used to be a windows problem, do not know if it still is)
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12:00<S3v3N>dhcp works, i had same problem with computer before it never detect dhcp but one time i tried for fun and it detected i was like wtf...
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12:34<RainCT>hi
12:34<RainCT>should game executables go to /usr/bin or /usr/games?
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12:37<tiCo>/usr/games
12:37<tiCo>that's the reason why it exists... :) and documented in the debian policy
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12:47<S3v3N>Hello. I have problem with debian 4.0 r1 net install, i have dynamic ip, i have set in interfaces "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp", and yes i have only one network card and it's eth0, it is working and it is connected with the modem but i do not recieve dhcpoffers so internet does not work. How could i solve that problem?
12:48<petemc>unplug the cable, then plug it back in - do you see stuff in dmesg about the link?
12:48<S3v3N>yes
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12:48<S3v3N>link up blabla..
12:49<RainCT>tiCo: thanks
12:49<petemc>you've confirmed the modem to be working?
12:49<S3v3N>yes sure, because im on internet
12:49<S3v3N>on this computer which im installing debian right now, i have xp before and internet was working fine
12:50<S3v3N>so its the problem with debian, nothing its wrong with the computer
12:50<S3v3N>i had xp before*
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12:51<SpYz>list
12:51<petemc>and if you run "ifup eth0" , what does it say?
12:51<SpYz>?
12:51<S3v3N>wait i will try petemc
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12:53<RainCT>tiCo: is there any reason why lintian doesn't complain if the executable is in /usr/bin but the category in the .menu is Games/?
12:53<tiCo>Hmmm, don't know, what about asking the lintian maintainers?
12:54<tiCo>I also don't see a reason... But maybe there is one :)
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12:56<RainCT>will report a bug asking about this :)
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12:58<S3v3N>petemc: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
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13:01<S3v3N>ifdown eth0 works, petemc
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13:02<S3v3N>ifup eth0, link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1, Listening on LPF/...... DHCPDISCOVER...... and then no DHCPOFFERS ...
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13:12<S3v3N>Anyone with a lot of knowledge @ debian online?
13:12<Sinterklaas>!ask
13:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
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13:13<leikh>I haven't used my debian box for a while, and today i decided to switch my subnet from 10 to 100. I then went to my deb-box to update interfaces. Now it can't resolve addresses. I didn't have dns-nameservers set for eth0 before, without a problem, but added them - hoping it would solve the issue... but no... What can I do?
13:14<Myon>S3v3N: sure you don't need pppoe?
13:14<S3v3N>I have debian 4.0 r1 netinstall only base version because i hadn't internet during the setup to use mirrors for updating it. Well... when I set in my /etc/network/interfaces config auto eth0 and in next line iface eth0 inet dhcp , i do not receive dhcpoffers. How could i solve that problem?
13:14<S3v3N>Myon: im 10000000000% sure....
13:14<Sinterklaas>leikh: what is in /etc/resolv.conf?
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13:14<Myon>so the modem is actually a router etc?
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13:15<S3v3N>it has 4 slots yes
13:15<witte>leikh: you went from 10.x.y.z to 100.x.y.z?
13:15<Myon>does manually configuring work?
13:15<witte>leikh: or what do you mean?
13:15<S3v3N>what do you mean with manually configuring, during the setup or in interfaces?
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13:15<leikh>Sinterklaas: yup, there it was :) thx
13:17<leikh>from 192.168.10 to 192.168.100 - I had static in /etc/network/interfaces... forgot to edit resolv.conf :-/
13:17<witte>leikh: ok
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13:20<S3v3N>anyone know about my problem?
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13:21<[gloom]>Hi there. I'm going to buy a laptop, and I'm thinking in the Acer 5920G. Anyone has managed to run debian in this laptop without problems with the sound/wifi and vid card?
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13:21<dli>S3v3N, set up static IP, try arping
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13:22<S3v3N>how can i set up static ip if i dont have static ip? i have dynamic ip?..
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13:22<dli>S3v3N, you can set up static IP to be the dynamic one modem issues
13:23<S3v3N>so auto eth0, iface eth0 inet static , thats it?
13:23<dli>S3v3N, ifconfig eth0 192.168.blah.blah netmask 255.255.255.0
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13:23<[gloom]>S3v3N: you interfaces file it's ok.
13:24<[gloom]>with dhclient eth0 you don't receive dhcpoffers?
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13:24<witte>[gloom]: if you buy it in a shop, take a live cd with you :-)
13:24<[gloom]>witte: yes, I have already count with this:D But I'd like to be sure. just all
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13:25<[gloom]>just that*
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13:25<S3v3N>[gloom]: no
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13:26<[gloom]>I'm sure everytime you change something in the interfaces file you are gettin down the interface with ifconfig eth0 down, and then getting up with ifconfig eth0 up again, right?
13:27<S3v3N>yes
13:27<[gloom]>try with the scripts ifdown eth0, and then ifup eth0. I remember that once the eth0 interface remained like hanged up until I ran those scripts. Don't know why
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13:28<witte>[gloom]: I do not speak italian, but maybe you do, or at least you can get something usefull out of it: http://www.pagliuso.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=1
13:28<S3v3N>ifdown eth0 worke, ifup eth0 now its DHCPDISCOVERING....
13:28<[gloom]>and still no offers?
13:29<S3v3N>nope...
13:29<dli>S3v3N, it's not an interface config problem
13:29<S3v3N>but i should work, why my computer has internet then, its true that i have win xp here but anyway... something is with debian...
13:31<[gloom]>witte: thank's for the link. I do not speak italian, but it's similar to the spanish, so i can understand it most. It seems that with some tweaks it works:D
13:32<witte>S3v3N: windows used to have the bad habit not to release IP's, that way the router won't assign a correct ip to your card (but i am not sure this is still true)
13:32<george>so far that seems to be the case. but now is the time to find out why
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13:32<witte>[gloom]: yeah, that was my impression as well...
13:33|-|mode/#debian [+l 286] by debhelper
13:33<witte>[gloom]: you might consider buying a laptop with linux supported (or even preinstalled) but it is not easy to find those :(
13:33<[gloom]>witte: about the S3v3N problem. What do you suggest? reboot the router?
13:33<S3v3N>won't help
13:33<S3v3N>man if it would be something with modem i wouldn't have internet too
13:34<witte>[gloom]: that would be a suggestion
13:34<[gloom]>witte: yeah, I know. I think that the new dell laptops work pretty fine with linux, but I don't like the dell ones
13:34<george>S3v3N: that's a good point... so right now, what? the modem is connected to what?
13:34<[gloom]>witte: So i think I will buy the acer. It seems good for this price
13:35<witte>lenovo was plannign to sell linux laptops, but they are quite expensive
13:35<S3v3N>modem is connected to the internet?
13:35<[gloom]>expensive is a word I try constantly to remove of my vocabulary:D
13:35<george>ok...
13:36<S3v3N>modem - utp cable to switch - one slot in switch to brother, to me, to computer on debian
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13:36<george>but if you look at the modem, exactly what kind of wire is its connection to the internet?
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13:36<george>is this dsl? cable? what kind?
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13:38<S3v3N>george this is VDSL
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13:38<george>ok, so it's coming in on the unfiltered side of a dsl phone line?
13:38<S3v3N>phone line
13:38<george>ok
13:38<S3v3N>i think its useless to find a mistake in modem or utp cables cauz its nothing with them it is in debian like i said
13:39<george>well humor me :) we can look at it as: I'm curious... would you have time to help me satisfy my curiousity?
13:40<george>right now I'm curious about your exact topology
13:40<dli>george, what's the point? dhcp should work without proper WAN, and he has WAN indeed
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13:41<george>dli: so far I'm not understanding why there's not a router just inside of his modem
13:42<george>err that didn't come out exactly right... just inside meaning twoards his internal net
13:42<rkos>is there any program like charon for debian?
13:42<dli>george, anyway, I think I know the problem
13:43<george>what kind of probram is charon like?
13:43<[gloom]>george: doesn't charon make the same that the TOR network?
13:44<rkos>http://www.project2025.com/charon.php
13:44<[gloom]>finding proxies and keep your anonimity?
13:44<S3v3N>guys brb i try something
13:44<pmitros>Hello. I just brought a machine from Woody up to Etch. A bunch of things broke in the process, and I figured if anyone knew anything about them. First of all, the mouse (a standard ps2 mouse) is now obnoxiously slow. It's the basic speed, not acceleration (xset m doesn't help). I've found a bunch of options to add to the pointer section in xorg.conf, but none of them changed mouse speed (indeed, I'm not even sure if it is being used
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13:44<george>dli: do you think the router and the modem are in the saee physical box?
13:44<pmitros>l works)
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13:44<george>pmitros: @mit.edu?
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13:44<rkos>anything which you could use to check a long list of proxy ips for working ones would be fine
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13:45<pmitros>george: Just finished.
13:45<pmitros>george: Why?
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13:46<dli>george, some modem don't do routing, some do. all support dhcp, but giving our local or public IPs
13:46<george>ahh cool, I used to play with openacs, and at one point we talked about an old 6.001 lecture video set sitting on one of their desks
13:46<pmitros>george: Ah. Cool. Same me.
13:47<george>finished? congratulations
13:47<pmitros>Meh. I prefered being there to looking for jobs, and I think I'll prefer being there to having a job, doing a startup, or whetever will be next.
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13:47<rkos>so no idea on the charon replacement?
13:48<pmitros>Next problem is that gv renders with LaTeX documents with ugly fonts. The letters are in the right places, but look very bad. It prints fine.
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13:48<Sinterklaas>pmitros: probably a T1/T3 font issue
13:49<Sinterklaas>pmitros: does evince show the fonts correctly?
13:49<dli>pmitros, try to import latex to lyx, sometimes, it's a magic fix for .tex rendering
13:50<Sinterklaas>dli: u
13:50<Sinterklaas>pmitros: or try just using T3 fonts
13:50<george>dli: it does look like he has several machines up
13:50[~]pmitros interrupts a big apt-get to install evince
13:50<Sinterklaas>uh T1, I mean
13:50<pmitros>Well, the fonts were fine under woody.
13:51<Sinterklaas>pmitros: \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
13:51<george>pmitros: safe to interrupt an apt-get when it's downloading packages
13:51<Sinterklaas>pmitros: the fonts are still fine
13:51<george>just so you know :)
13:51<Sinterklaas>pmitros: I guess it's a bug in gs's handling of bitmap fonts on low-resolution devices
13:52<S3v3N>guys maybe a lil bit noob question but how do i move up and down at debian cmd, page up, page down does not work...
13:52<Sinterklaas>Debian cmd?
13:52<Sinterklaas>what do you mean by that?
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13:53<S3v3N>i have console version sry
13:53<S3v3N>not debian cmd lol
13:53<S3v3N>in console how do i move up and down..
13:53<george>try shift pageup
13:53<pmitros>In this case, I interrupted it when it was downloading proprietary ms fonts. Now, I ran dpkg --configure -a, and now it will go on for a very long time.
13:53<[gloom]>shift + cursors
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13:53<S3v3N>ok thanks
13:53<[gloom]>sorry, shift + Page Up/down
13:54<S3v3N>yes works thanks
13:54<[gloom]>S3v3N: so, did you solve the problem?
13:54<S3v3N>no
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13:55<S3v3N>do you have any ideas how to solve it?
13:55<S3v3N>i tried unplug and plug cable before on my computer and it worked
13:55<S3v3N>internet was working without any problems
13:56<S3v3N>when i unplug ang plug in cable on debian it shows but i do not receive dhcpoffers!!! :(
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13:56<[gloom]>so, if you have internet, your modem is assigning an IP to you by DHCP with no problems
13:56<Sinterklaas>pmitros: google suggests that installing a different gs might solve it
13:56<george>are your other computers using dhcp to get their addresses?
13:56<S3v3N>yes [gloom]
13:57<S3v3N>george: yes
13:57<S3v3N>george: i have different ip than brother
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13:57<[gloom]>so man, now i'm confused. I can't see the problem. It seems that your DHCP server(on the modem) is working, your computers take the right IP, and you have inet connection. Now i'm really confused... Maybe i need to sllep a while:D
13:58<george>I mean what you could try is to do a static config if you know an ip that would work
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13:58<S3v3N>george: i know ip that could work, i had win xp on this computer before internet worked fine, i wrote ip address on paper, gateway all shit, i already tried to have static config but it does not work
13:58<pmitros>Sinterklaas: I will try that. dpkg -a configure is still running. When it finishes, should I swap gs-gpl and gs-esp, or get a new gs from source?
13:59<Sinterklaas>try swapping them
13:59<S3v3N>[gloom]: that's what im talking about like 30minutes now dude, it is problem in debian
13:59<Sinterklaas>(or switch to a new viewer ;) )
13:59<nowi>\join tuwien
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13:59<george>does -not- work?
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13:59<george>interesting.
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13:59<george>check the cable from your computer to the switch by using a different one
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14:00<pmitros>Can't. Not my computer. The user of this computer has used Unix since it was created, and doesn't like switching interfaces.
14:00<george>two other tests:
14:00<[gloom]>S3v3N: hahaha, sorry for my dumb question, but as I said, I think I need to rest :D
14:00<george>1, use a different switch port
14:00<S3v3N>:P
14:00<pmitros>She likes gv. She doesn't like learning new interfaces.
14:00<S3v3N>george: i already tried 2 cables, patch and crossover it's same shit
14:00<george>2, use a different ethernet card in the machine
14:01<S3v3N>i tried different ethernet card
14:01<george>err that one was 3 :)
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14:01<S3v3N>and i tried to put cable in switch, and it didn't work, and i tried to put cable in modem and it didn't work
14:01<george>ok try a different switch port
14:01<S3v3N>ok
14:01<S3v3N>wait
14:01<S3v3N>i'll put in 4
14:02<S3v3N>but i already tried that
14:02<S3v3N>so im trying now......
14:02<S3v3N>doesn't work
14:02<george>so right now I'm not convinced the physical connection is working
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14:03<S3v3N>maybe i try to write dns servers in resolv.conf and i try ifup -a again?
14:03<witte>S3v3N: did you already try to put your on a static one (that of your brother +1?)
14:03<george>reason I'm not convinced: (1) other computers do work, (2) dhcp doesnt work AND static doesn't work
14:03<[gloom]>S3v3N: man, are you dure that the card you have the cable on is eth0 right?????
14:03<[gloom]>sure*
14:04<S3v3N>witte: yes i tried
14:04<S3v3N>i tried all shit i will piss off soon if i won't get it work
14:05<dli>S3v3N, iptables -L
14:06<george>S3v3N: well perhaps it's time to take a 10 min break :) we need you more calmer, because now you have to find out why even static doesn't work
14:06<S3v3N>ok sek
14:06<S3v3N>dli: yes and?
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14:08<S3v3N>chain input (policy ACCEPT), chain forward (policy ACCEPT), chain output (policy ACCEPT) and under this stuff in each line is raget pro opt source destination
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14:08<dli>!tell S3v3N about paste
14:09<S3v3N>dli i can't paste you cauz i have on other computer wait i write myself here
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14:10<dli>S3v3N, you don't understand the output from iptables?
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14:10<S3v3N>http://pastebin.ca/778589
14:10<S3v3N>here you have
14:10[~]pmitros ponders how hard it would be to convince the font installer scripts to regenerate the font cache once at the end, rather than for each font.
14:11<dli>S3v3N, iptables -F, and try dhclient again
14:11<Sinterklaas>pmitros: that feature is being worked on
14:11<S3v3N>dli: doesn't work
14:12<dli>S3v3N, set up static IP, arping
14:12[~]pmitros creates a dummy fc-cache that returns immediately, and will run it himself at the end
14:12<S3v3N>you mean in interfaces like that look i will paste on pastebin.ca
14:13<S3v3N>btw: i have saved the ip which i had when i had on this computer win xp... so i use this one?
14:13<S3v3N>http://pastebin.ca/778594
14:14<S3v3N>like that in interfaces, is that good?
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14:15<dli>S3v3N, your modem doesn't do NAT
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14:16<dli>S3v3N, what you are trying to do is weird. because your modem doesn't give you two valid IPs simultaneously
14:16<S3v3N>dli: it does ...
14:16<[gloom]>S3v3N: if the modem is connected to a switch, and the switch to your cpomputer, you should have LAN ips?
14:16<dli>S3v3N, you have a switch over there, but you need a router
14:17<S3v3N>man it does
14:17<S3v3N>i had server before like this
14:17<S3v3N>i can have 932743209478 computers and each computer will have a different ip
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14:18<witte>S3v3N: in that case your router/modem is not configured correct
14:18<witte>S3v3N: the 89.212 address range is not a nat address
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14:19<witte>S3v3N: 89.212.*.* is a slovenian ISP
14:19<dli>S3v3N, try to set up your modem to do NAT, or buy a router
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14:20<S3v3N>dli: tell me why? i had server debian before and all worked fine, today i bought new computer i want to install debian and fix the internet and i do not receive dhcp why i received on old computer dhcp then? i had 3 computer too before, me, brother, server (debian)
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14:20<S3v3N>it is trick in debian, all is good guy i don't know why you don't listen me....
14:21[~]ProwL wonders at S3v3N
14:21<solanaceo>guys.. hello, what does "apt-get install checkinstall" does?
14:21<petemc>installs checkinstall
14:21<dli>solanaceo, "apt-get install foo" install the foo package
14:21<dli>solanaceo, man apt-get
14:21<witte>S3v3N: we listen, you are just not objective, you think you know better
14:21<solanaceo>oh.. right... so lame :-P
14:22<solanaceo>shame on me XD
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14:23<witte>S3v3N: log in to the modem if you can (with one of the other boxes) and check that
14:23<S3v3N>i told you that im 1000% sure the problem is in debian, not in modem, switch, or utp cables..
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14:23<S3v3N>i cannot log into modem
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14:23<witte>S3v3N: good for you, I am sure you will find the solution
14:24<S3v3N>how bro?
14:24<witte>S3v3N: I do not know, but you wont listen anyhow ;-)
14:24<S3v3N>:)
14:25<george>oh don't get me started on this :)
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14:26<george>see...
14:26<george>the reason why someone would ask someone else for help is because they actually need help...
14:26<george>most likely in the form of new eyes on the problem
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14:27<jolinex>hello people
14:27<george>!bot
14:27<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
14:27<jolinex>do you know any software such as gotmail for downloading the mail from hotmail?
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14:27<rkos>how to use a .pl installer?
14:28<jolinex>do you know any software such as gotmail for downloading the mail from hotmail?
14:28<witte>!pl
14:28<dpkg>pl is, like, perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
14:28<Eulex>rkos, you run it?
14:28<dli>jolinex, email client? like evolution, or thunderbird
14:28<rkos>yeah but nothing happens when i just ran it
14:28<witte>rkos: perl ./filename.pl maybe?µ
14:28<rkos>ok
14:29<jolinex>dli: I have installed a qmail server, but I need another software for download the mail from pop servers, etc
14:29<george>doesn't pl stand for partly liquor?
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14:29<jolinex>dli: with qmail, the downloaded mail is then delivered locally on the user of the computer
14:29<george>well you could try fetchmail
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14:30<jolinex>george: that is right, I have installed it, and work fine, except for hotmail
14:31<george>and just remember that it's possible you would have to configure qmail some more after finding out things after doing the fetchmail the first time while watching the qmail log for problems
14:31<jolinex>george: for downloading mail from hotmail, is needed a special software, like gotmail
14:31<rkos>Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.3", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "4.2.3".
14:31<rkos>how can i use the older version then
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14:31<`Ivan_siberian>hi all
14:31<`Ivan_siberian>hi all
14:31<george>first make sure the older version is installed on your box
14:32<jolinex>george: my qmail system works fine. The problem is the downloading from hotmail accounts
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14:32<`Ivan_siberian>russian est'?:)
14:32<witte>!ru
14:32<dpkg>i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
14:32<jolinex>george: if I try to dowload from yahoo pop servers, etc, all goes right.
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14:33<rkos>how do i do that george
14:33<jolinex>dpkg: dorogoi tovarich
14:33<george>talk to hotmail about the program to use
14:33<jolinex>george: I think they will not tell me that.
14:33<witte>jolinex: i think you need to talk english to the dpkg bot
14:34<jolinex>george: hotmail accounts only can be dowloaded with outlook
14:34<witte>jolinex: gotmail does not work at the moment, but there is a small patch somewhere
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14:35<jolinex>witte: now we are speaking the same language
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14:35<witte>but if I understood correctly, gotmail is no longer developed and they are going to use something else
14:35<jolinex>witte: can you tell me more about that patch?
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14:35<witte>jolinex: googling for it :-)
14:35<jolinex>witte: ok, ok ;)
14:36<[gloom]>george: did S3v3N solved his problem? Or did he go out angry?
14:36<[gloom]>:D
14:37<george>no idea
14:38<witte>jolinex: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gotmail ==> getlive should be the replacement, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg385770.html
14:38<witte>[gloom]: i do not think he solved it
14:39<george>it's probable that the dhcp that did offer was the ISP's and so all of his boxes on his side of the modem got routable ips
14:39<witte>jolinex: the patch in sourceforge did work for a while, but it does not anymore for me
14:39<george>and if his isp notices that, they're going to talk to him :)
14:40<witte>george: yeah, something like that, or the isp just became a bit more carefull about distributing IP's...
14:40<solemnwarning>Why does icedove do some screwed up DNS resolution instead of just using the C lib functions?
14:40<george>"Yeah, we'll only give them 5 ips"
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14:41<MicZe>Hello there
14:41<rkos>anyone here know about shell scripting? any idea how to make a script that would use wget to check a list of ips for responses?
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14:41<MicZe>I hate to be a bother but is there anyone what know of a guide how to do a gui on my debian server
14:41<MicZe>i would kie to have some kind of remote desktop connection (VNC) or something
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14:43<ServerSide>ok brb
14:43<pmitros>Okay. Swapping ghostscripts worked.
14:44<rkos>george, how can i check that the older version is installed?
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15:02<enkrypt>I am on a host which does not have iptables enabled in the kernel. there is a daemon software listening on port 6667. how do I make sure that only clients from the localhost can connect to this? to disallow all hosts from remote locations?
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15:03<Myon>enkrypt: make the ircd bind to localhost
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15:06<MicZe>L5900 localhost:5900
15:06<MicZe>oops
15:06<MicZe>sorry
15:07<enkrypt>Myon: actually its bitlbee, not a real ircd :p
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15:12<Myon>enkrypt: DaemonInterface in /etc/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf
15:12<Myon>(or use openbsd-inetd)
15:14<angasule>I have a PC with extra CPU power but very short on RAM, is it possible to compress RAM contents? I know how this sounds, but I'm curious :)
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15:15<ubuntu>test
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15:15<amator>hi
15:16<amator>anybody here?
15:16<amator>can you write?
15:17<[gloom]>what's up?
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15:18<enkrypt>Myon: I am using openbsd-inetd. how do I make it bind to 127.0.0.1 using openbsd-inetd?
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15:19<Myon>angasule: basically, no
15:20<angasule>hmm, someone suggested making a RAM disk and use compressing there, then using it as a swap partition?
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15:22<enkrypt>Myon: nm, found it ;-)
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15:22<dingman>anyone else here using Intel 965 graphics and having rendering problems with the latest server in unstable?
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15:26<valdyn>angasule: its possible, its not useful
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15:27<angasule>valdyn: why not useful?
15:27<[gloom]>ok guys. I'm going to sleep a while See you later
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15:28<valdyn>angasule: compression speed can be measured in hundreds of mb per second at the very most, ram speed is gigabytes per second
15:28<valdyn>angasule: its a magnitude to slow.
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15:28<angasule>valdyn: let's say you have a celeron coppermine 500MHz and 32MB of RAM
15:29<angasule>http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/4076298/4076299/04076319.pdf&tp=&isnumber=&arnumber=4076319 <-- interesting
15:29<valdyn>angasule: that doesnt change when you tell me you harddware specs
15:29<angasule>not all algorithms are created equal
15:29<angasule>lzo and 7zip are hardly similar
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15:30<valdyn>angasule: no, most compression algorithms are actually much slower than "hundres of mb per sec"
15:30<miksuh>hundreds of millibits ( second is not so fast :)
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15:31<valdyn>angasule: ( because those are obvioulsy tuned for harddisk speeds )
15:31<miksuh>( == per
15:31<valdyn>angasule: get more ram.
15:31<miksuh>sorry I'm maybe a bit drunk :)
15:31<miksuh>en
15:32<angasule>valdyn: I can't buy more ram, and LZO is used for example in distcc
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15:33<valdyn>angasule: distcc works with networks, not with ram, thats hardly a similar application
15:34<angasule>did you read the link I posted above?
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15:34<valdyn>angasule: i stopped as soon as i saw "embedded"
15:35<angasule>valdyn: so? my laptop is similar to modern embedded systems
15:35<valdyn>angasule: umm
15:35<angasule>heck, there are mobile phones with more RAM
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15:36<valdyn>angasule: why dont you create that compressed ram disk and watch your system performance break down by yourself.
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15:45<valdyn>angasule: if you had that kernel module that only compresses whatever is used as disk cache by the kernel, then this could be useful on a pc
15:45<valdyn>angasule: i dont see that available though
15:46<valdyn>angasule: ( but at 32MB total ram running debian you wont use much as disk chache at all either way )
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16:02<trevor>hello fellow debianators
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16:07<gonsalo>hi all !!!
16:07<JasonS>debinator? heh
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16:08<gonsalo>someone can help help me ?
16:08<JasonS>!tell gonsalo about ask
16:08<gonsalo>i am install a aapche server in a debian 4
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16:09<JasonS>uh huh
16:09<gonsalo>and a i need to pust automaticly a code html, in all on my pages en /var/www
16:09<gonsalo>my inglish is not good
16:09<gonsalo>butt i undertand all
16:09<JasonS>gonsalo: what is your normal language?
16:10<gonsalo>i am spanish, but in debian es cant resolv my problem
16:10<gonsalo>for this i come here
16:10<gonsalo>can i put automatic a code html in all of my pages in /var/www ??
16:11<JasonS>gonsalo: im not sure what you're trying to do
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16:11<gonsalo>ok
16:11<gonsalo>i will teel you an example
16:12<gonsalo>y make a folder in /var/www/pedro
16:12<gonsalo>and i add a user, whtih his home es /var/www/pedro
16:12<gonsalo>and he pust a page index.hmtl
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16:13<gonsalo>i need to puts in this page a cide html created for me
16:13<gonsalo>buts teh user that puts this file cant not see this
16:13<gonsalo>you iunderstand me ?
16:14<gonsalo>is alike a licos o tripud pust a code thet generate a banner
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16:14<gonsalo>JasonSn understand ?
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16:20<xsdg>gonsalo: quizas puedes probar #debian-es en irc.freenode.net? Es posible que haya personas diferentes alli
16:20<S3v3N>dli: here?
16:23<dli>S3v3N, yes
16:23<S3v3N>look i installed win xp on computer that i wanted install debian
16:23<S3v3N>and internet works fine with different ip i'll show you now
16:23<S3v3N>i come to irc
16:25<petemc>what ip does the xp box have?
16:26<S3v3N>89.212.231.5
16:26<S3v3N>i join now look
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16:26<S3v3NN>hello :)
16:26<S3v3N>and i have different ip as win xp box
16:26<S3v3N>you see now
16:26<S3v3N>but i saw at configuration all computers has the same dhcp server 10.120.0.1
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16:27<S3v3N>so you believe me now it isn't problem with modem, cable or switch dli?... :P
16:28<petemc>if all that is required is the interface doing a dhcp broadcast, then it would work
16:29<petemc>do you install any software on the xp box to connect with your isp?
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16:30<S3v3N>no nothing
16:30<S3v3N>just leave the network card "obtain and ip address automatically"
16:30<S3v3N>thats it
16:31<S3v3N>look i'll show you network connection details
16:31<S3v3N>http://pastebin.ca/778738
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16:33<S3v3N>petemc: you saw?
16:33<petemc>i did
16:33<S3v3N>so how could i get this work on debian then?
16:34<S3v3N>at installation i have 3 options, dhcp automatically, dhcp automatically with dhcp hostname and configure manually
16:34<petemc>if its just configured via dhcp, setting the interface as such should be enough
16:34<S3v3N>interface like that: auto eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp ?
16:35<petemc>right
16:35<S3v3N>but i had that and it didn't work
16:35<petemc>so i gathered
16:35<S3v3N>it didn't get dhcpoffers.. :s
16:35<S3v3N>very very strange
16:35<petemc>perhaps your isp does something non standard
16:35<S3v3N>manually i cannot configure right? :/
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16:36<petemc>when i had a /29 from my isp, i had to configure my gateway device as a bridge, and configure each machine with a static address
16:36<petemc>your setup isnt like that, obviously..
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16:37<S3v3N>only once happened that dhcp got detected during the setup on my old server which is in thrash right now...
16:37<S3v3N>but i really don't get it why only once that happened, sometimes works, sometimes doesn't wtf..
16:37<petemc>if i were you, i would read up on configuring and troubleshooting interfaces in debian
16:38<petemc>then you'll know better yourself
16:38<S3v3N>but there is nothing to fix i think...
16:38<Requiem>How does one go about compiling a custom kernel for debian?
16:38<petemc>if it worked on another debian machine, you would think it should work now
16:38<S3v3N>but before on old machine didn't work at beginning too...
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16:39<S3v3N>then once i tried for fun and it worked..
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16:41<Chump>hey is there any one in here that can help me with some scripting stuff i want to do to get XML data into an SQL database
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16:50<shze>i'm trying to run debian lenny on a laptop with bad ram using memmap=. is there a minimal amount/area of ram the kernel needs to uncompress itself?
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16:52<valdyn>shze: what's the problem?
16:53<shze>valdyn, the laptop has builtin memory, so it cant be removed.
16:53<valdyn>shze: obviously the kernel has to be decompressed before any part of the badram kernel code can be run
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16:54<dli>shze, you can try the badram patch (not sure whether it's still there)
16:54<shze>valdyn, how much memory does the kernel need for uncompressing?
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16:54<valdyn>shze: a few mb
16:54<shze>dli, yes, i found the bad ram patch, its still there
16:54<valdyn>shze: its not about size, its a matter of having defective ram at that physical ram address
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16:55<shze>valdyn, the first defective ram is at 2.1mb, i guess not enough to uncompress
16:55<valdyn>shze: you're trying to relocate where the kernel decompresses?
16:55<shze>valdyn, no i havent relocate, how can i do that?
16:56<valdyn>shze: i dont know if that is possible from the boot loader
16:56<valdyn>shze: relocatable kernels can be built though
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16:56<shze>valdyn, i dont know either, but i'll look into this. thank you for the tip!
16:57<valdyn>shze: its actually a feature made to boot linux without doing reboot
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16:57<zulu>is there an autoconf gury over there?
16:57<valdyn>shze: but it might be useable for what you need..
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16:58<zulu>I'm lost with srcdir abs_buildir etc etc for my configure.ac
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16:58<shze>valdyn, that would be good, especially since the installed debian doesnt boot anymore because of that..
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17:02<fenn>Question: How can I move an X-Window that is bigger than the screen
17:03<petemc>hold down alt and the mouse button
17:03<fenn>petemc - thx It worked once today but I seems to have stopped working
17:03<fenn>I need more tea
17:04<fenn>Can it be done with the keyboard?
17:05<fenn>I can use Top-Left > Move > Arrow Keys - but it stops at the top of the desktop.
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17:08<fenn>petemc - is there a time out on the ALT Left-Mouse trick
17:08<petemc>it works when you press and hold it..
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17:10<bizard>hello
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17:29<Svartving>hy
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17:32<Zathras>Hi. Can anyone give some hints why I get the following from a bash script: echo "$USER:$PASS" | chpasswd returns without error. But when I try to login that password does not work untill I change the password again using the same password manually by issuing "passwd"
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17:33<Zathras>I do not want to manually change x users their password. I want to automate it. chpasswd seems unreliable or I must be doing something wrong
17:33<azeem>do you check chpasswd's exit code?
17:33<azeem>W 31
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17:33<azeem>oops
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17:36<Zathras>I use pwgen so no special chars are involved. But I must admit, I have not checked chpasswd exit code. How should I do that given: CMD_NP_LIN="echo $USR:$PWD | chpasswd" ?
17:37<azeem>maybe 'chpasswd || echo "failed"' might work, dunno
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17:39<Zathras>and now for something wierd. Same line from bash prompt work. When called from script by issueing echo `$CMD_NP_LIN` does not
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17:42<chealer>Zathras: append "; echo $?"
17:44<Zathras>chealer, to what? The first line with chpasswd?
17:44<andrej>i'm trying to install gtksee but i always i get error gtksee: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not going to be installed ... i have installed libglib1.2.10-17 and libglib1.2.10-19ldbl .... what can i do ?
17:44<chealer>Zathras: yes (echo "$USER:$PASS" | chpasswd;echo $?)
17:46<chealer>andrej: use a replacement
17:46<andrej>chealer: what do you mena?
17:46<andrej>mean
17:46<andrej>?
17:46<chealer>andrej: an alternative to gtksee
17:46<Zathras>chealer, that does not give 'extra' output
17:46<andrej>chealer: and that is ?
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17:48<chealer>andrej: gqview, apparently
17:48<Zathras>my script is at: http://pastebin.ca/778808
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17:51<MicZe>*yawn*
17:51<andrej>chealer: is there sth better ?
17:51<MicZe>Hands out som penuin cookies
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17:52<chealer>andrej: than gqview?
17:52<MicZe>Is there a linux verion of the nsvscsrc.exe in the Nullsoft Nsv video suite?
17:52<MicZe>version?
17:52<andrej>chealer: yes
17:52<chealer>andrej: I don't know. I know neither gtksee nor gqview.
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17:53<andrej>chealer: what do you use ?
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17:55<Greg>Hi Im am using Debian 4.0 Etch and a GNome-X. I got trouble with my Mouse. I tried to activate the mousewheel with "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" but now the pointer is gone but the wheel is still not active. I cants see the pointer. Anybody an idea?
17:55<andrej>chealer: how can i make my debian to open pictures with a program qview and not with konqueror i realy don't like that ...
17:56<andrej>chealer: i set the priorities but it's not working ...
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17:57<chealer>andrej: I use kuickshow (KDE), though I'm not sure that's an equivalent to gtksee
17:57<chealer>andrej: you use KDE?
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17:58<Greg>My Options: "CorePointer", "Device" "/dev/psaux", "Protocol" "PS/2", "Emulate3Buttons" "on", "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
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17:58<andrej>chealer: yes kde :D i dont like kuickshow
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17:59<dazedyugo>Greg, not sure that it will help at all, but if you have a scroll wheel I think that counts as the third button, so I'm not sure if you need that emulate3buttons
17:59<chealer>andrej: did you try gwenview?
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18:00<Requiem>I'm trying to compile a custom kernel, but seem to be having an issue with getting it to load the configuration I did with make menuconfig
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18:00<dazedyugo>Greg, also, how about trying ImPS/2 protocol or ExplorerPS/2 protocol?
18:01<__fang>hello, where can i download the linux-headers-26.18-4-686?
18:01<__fang>if i try apt-get, it tells me that there is no such package
18:01<chealer>__fang: you use linux-iamge-2.6.18-4-686?
18:01<chealer>s/iamge/image/
18:01<__fang>yes
18:02<andrej>chealer: ni i did't i'm installing :D
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18:02<andrej>now
18:02<chealer>__fang: if you don't mind, are you aware that this package is outdated?
18:02<__fang>i don have the installation cd here
18:02<__fang>i know, but i cannot reinstall it now =]
18:02<witte>__fang: you better install 2.6.18-5, image and headers
18:03<chealer>__fang: why would you reinstall it? it's superceded by linux-image-2.6.18-5-686.
18:03<andrej>chealer: ok i like it for now :D thank you very much !!!
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18:03<vacio>hola
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18:03<chealer>andrej: for your second problem I think you should ask #debian-kde
18:03<Greg>@dazedyugo changed it to Emulate3buttons and toi imPS/2 but still doesnt work...
18:03<andrej>chealer: ok
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18:04<__fang>i can probably do it, but just for knowing, is it impossible to get it from the repositories?
18:04<vacio>espanish??
18:04<dazedyugo>Greg, can you change it back to a state where it was working?
18:04<witte>!tell vacio about es
18:04<Greg>nope, I dont remember the working state...
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18:05<chealer>__fang: you can't get it from up-to-date mirrors, indeed.
18:05<vacio>witte spanish?
18:05<dazedyugo>Greg, are you using xorg or xfree86?
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18:05<Greg>Xorg
18:06<__fang>hmm ok. so i'll get the new images and headers.
18:06<__fang>thank you very much =]
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18:06<witte>vacio: not here, there is a spannish channel somewhere else, as dpkg told you
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18:07<vacio> Many thanks witte
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18:08<dazedyugo>Greg, have you tried using Xorg -configure ?
18:09<Greg>@dazedyugo: you mean I should try to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
18:09<Requiem>*sighs* How the heck do I fix make so it actually pays attention to the configuration I did?
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18:09<dazedyugo>Greg, you could try that, too
18:10<Greg>any alternative?
18:10<dazedyugo>Greg, what about Xorg -configure ?
18:10<andrej>what do you recomend debian KDE or GNOME ?
18:10<Greg>@dazed: what you mean?
18:11<dazedyugo>Greg, try running: /usr/bin/Xorg -configure
18:11<Requiem>andrej: That's something of a Holy War... I like KDE myself though
18:11<dazedyugo>Requiem, it should use the configuration in the .config file in the root of the linux source directory
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18:12[~]Requiem facepalms
18:12<Requiem>I see what I did wrong
18:12<andrej>Requiem: i like KDE too but what is more stable ?
18:12<Requiem>the config file I loaded earlier has a different name, I need to resave it to .config afterwards
18:13<dazedyugo>that would do it
18:13<telemachus>is either KDE or GNOME really more stable per se?
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18:13<telemachus>I never thought so
18:13<Requiem>GNOME is more stable in my experience
18:14<witte>andrej: I do not use kde nor gnome
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18:14<andrej>witte: what do you use ? :D
18:14<witte>andrej: windowmaker :-)
18:15<RM41>I encountered a serious bug in Etch, already fixed in Lenny. I want to recommend that its fix be included in the next release of Etch. How, and where, can I make that suggestion? (It's bug #423222).
18:15<witte>andrej: I do not like eyecandy and moving icons etc
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18:16<andrej>whitte: don't understand that people :D
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18:17<andrej>whitte: i'm looking screens of windowmaker and it looks good :D
18:17<Greg>^hmmm nothing works
18:18<telemachus>andrej: really?
18:18<chealer>RM41: you can always ask on the report to tag +etch
18:18<telemachus>you sure you are looking at windowmaker? ;)
18:18<witte>andrej: there is a lot of choise for a reason, if everyone liked kde, there would be no gnome (or windowmaker)
18:18<andrej>telemachus: why not :D
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18:19<telemachus>andrej, I'm kidding
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18:19<RM41>chealer: Thanks. BTS says "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made." What do I do about that?
18:19<andrej>witte: is it a lot of work of installing/configuring that ? what is the stability and system speed ?
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18:21<chealer>RM41: yeah...you could unarchive it ( http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#unarchive )
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18:22<witte>andrej: windowmaker is *very* lightweight (few MB) and you can configure it usign wmakerconf
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18:23<chealer>Zathras: do you get any output from that script?
18:23<Zathras>yes
18:23<Zathras>one moment pls
18:24<andrej>witte: how about the programs like icewease, imageviwers, mplayer etc and what about windows progz i saw that there you can run windows ...
18:24<witte>andrej: and you can download (with apt-get) the dockapss (icon-like programs that you want (for instance wmacpi and wmclock are running on my laptop)
18:24<Greg>Thanks for hel anyway. anybody else who has an idea to find my mousepointer again?
18:25<Zathras>chealer, script + sample output: http://pastebin.ca/778838
18:25<witte>andrej: you can run any program in windowmaker, just as well that you can run any program in gnome and in kde, there are just not that many extra programs installed by default (and also not that many extra things loaded)
18:26<witte>andrej: just install a bunch of window managers, and try them
18:26<witte>andrej: it is a personal thing wich one you like best
18:27<Shu>does anyone know the x264 codec package for debian?
18:28<andrej>witte: what about windows programs i need chembiooffice 2008 and its only for windows (and it needs .net framework 2.0or sth) can i run that ?
18:28<chealer>Zathras: hum. which line outputs "Password changed for user maria. Password changed for user maria."?
18:29<witte>andrej: i do not know, it only runs linux programs, it is only the visual layer. If it works in windowmaker, it also works in all the other linux wm
18:29<witte>andrej: so your progam will most likely not run on linux
18:30<dazedyugo>Shu, libavcodec ?
18:30<Zathras>chealer. Good one! The first can be explained from the smbpasswd line. The second is a bit misterious
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18:30<witte>andrej: but there are many linux programs available for scientist: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience
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18:32<chealer>Zathras: I agree...I'd try figuring that out if I was you.
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18:33<Zathras>yep. will do so in a moment
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18:34<dazedyugo>Shu, or see http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/pool/main/x/x264/
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18:39<Greg>I got the solution for my "my mouse cursor is gone" problem. You guys wanna hear?
18:40<witte>Greg: shoot
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18:40<amphi>Greg: killall unclutter? ;)
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18:41<Greg>It is not a mouse Problem, it is a graphic card Problem: Is your video card an nvidia one? If so, there's a bug in nvidia driver that
18:41<Greg>causes exactly this problem with some nvidia cards (not all). The workaround
18:41<Greg>is to disable hardware cursor in xorg.conf.
18:41<Greg>Add the following line in the device section for your video card:
18:41<Greg>Option "HWCursor" "off"
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18:42<Greg>i just put that line into the Graphic Card section: Option "HWCursor" "off" And taht was it. Now I just need to fix the mousewheel
18:43<andrej>i have a problem i'm trying to watch pictures and if i click on it it opens in konqueror but i want it to open in default in program is this possible ?
18:43<andrej> and i can install gtksee i get error that i need libglib1.2 and then i install it and then i need libgtk1.2 .... when i install one it uninstalls another and i'm goin in cycles ... what can i do ?
18:43<chealer>andrej: for the first question, ask #debian-kde
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18:43<andrej>chealer: i did
18:43<chealer>andrej: for the second, it would be best to use an alternative to gtksee
18:43<andrej>!
18:44<chealer>andrej: yeah, and I answered your question
18:44<andrej>oh no... here we go again :D
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18:44<andrej>ok thx anyway
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18:44<witte>andrej: maybe you can have a lookt at /etc/alternatives ?
18:44<chealer>andrej: if you absolutely want gtksee, clarify.
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18:45<witte>andrej: but that depends on where you click on the figure and what you click on (a link or an icon or...)
18:45<andrej>i know acdsee and this is like that as they say ...
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18:45[~]Nemoder likes the gqview image viwer
18:45<Greg>ok, my mousepointer is back, tried the ZAxisMapping for activating my mousewheel but doesnt work. Anybody an idea?
18:46<ServerSide>anyone know a good tut or how-to compile kernel from kernel.org?
18:46<keith>Debian4.0.Etch. How do I install DeCSS on my system?
18:46<chealer>ServerSide: if you don't mind, why would you download a kernel from kernel.org?
18:46<chealer>keith: if you don't mind, why would you instal DeCSS?
18:46<andrej>witte: i go to my folder and i click on it and it opens right in the same window ...
18:46<ServerSide>?
18:46<ServerSide>i just want 2.6.23
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18:47<Nemoder>keith: libdvdcss2 from debian-multimedia.org
18:47<chealer>ServerSide: there are Debian packages of 2.6.23 (not yet in Debian, though)
18:47<keith>chealer: To watch encrypted DVD movies.
18:47<ServerSide>:o
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18:47<Greg>@andrej: right click on the picture and choose another "open with"-program
18:47<ServerSide>they are on google maybe?
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18:47<chealer>keith: and why don't you use libdvdcss for that?
18:47[~]witte likes pornview as image viewer, just for its name
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18:48<witte>andrej: and your folder, that is already in konqueror? in that case, you will have to configure konqueror
18:48<andrej>Greg: yes but i don't want to do this everytime ...
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18:49<keith>chealer: Where do I get it and how to444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444 install
18:49<andrej>wittte: yes
18:49<andreas>hi!
18:49<andrej>wittte: how :D
18:49<ServerSide>chealer can you tell me how ? : )
18:49<ServerSide>where*
18:49<Nemoder>ServerSide: it's fairly simple to compile a kernel: apt-get install kernel-package, unzip the source, make menuconfig, make-kpkg --revision mykernel1.0 kernel_image
18:49<witte>andrej: don't know: konqueror > tools > preferences??? I have no idea, will be described somewhere in a manual probably
18:49<chealer>keith: hey, I don't know, I'm just trying to help.
18:50<keith>chealer: Sorry about the 4s.
18:50<ServerSide>Nemoder: i must force an option, and idk how ^^
18:50<Zathras>chealer, found it. smbpasswd command caused both outputs. Probably as samba is configured as: sync pwd with linux pwd
18:50<chealer>keith: wait, were you asking about DeCSS or libdvdcss?
18:50<chealer>Zathras: OK
18:50<Nemoder>ServerSide: when you run make menuconfig or make xconfig it will give you an interface to select all the options you need
18:50<Zathras>still wierd however
18:51<andrej>witte: i'll try that tomorrow now i'm goint to bed see ya !
18:51<witte>ok, good luck with it...
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18:51<ServerSide>mhh okay i'll get an eye on it tomorrow
18:51<keith>chealer: No worries. I think libdvdcss is the business end of DeCSS.
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18:52<Nemoder>keith: follow the directions on debian-multimedia.org
18:52<chealer>ServerSide: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/
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18:53<chealer>keith: I still don't understand if you're asking about DeCSS or libdvdcss, but I have to go eat. if you're asking about libdvdcss, see dpkg's libdvdcss factoid.
18:53<andreas>I have a problem with network manager on a laptop with lenny. When I select a connection it tries to connect, but fails.The wireless card is intel ipw3945. I am able to connect with system->networking. Does anybody have a suggestion to how I can debug this?
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18:53<chealer>Zathras: which linux causes the output of "maria:rachohee | chpasswd"?
18:54<witte>chealer: do you know why it is taking so long for a new kernel to get into debian sid? 2.6.23 is out for quite some time I believe?
18:54<azeem>witte: did you look at the changelog?
18:54<witte>azeem: which changelog?
18:54<azeem>just because it's 2.6.22->2.6.23 doesn't mean there's shitloads of MBs of changes in it
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18:55<azeem>eh, or +not somewhere
18:55<chealer>witte: not really, but there's already a new 2.6.22 in unstable.
18:55[~]chealer bbl
18:55<witte>azeem: ah, yeah, i know that there is work being done :-), just wondered why
18:55<ServerSide>ok time to sleep -.6
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18:56<Zathras>Debian Woody
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19:02<Zathras>chealer, why do you ask? I know Debian Woody is prehistoric, but I have to live with it for now
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19:03<kjs>debian 4.0r1 i386 install won't detect the network card on my laptop. I've checked another linux distro and found that they use the tg3 driver for my laptop.
19:04<Zathras>kjs: such a thing is a kernel issue, not a distro issue
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19:04<kjs>the debian installer gives 'tg3' as an option in the driver list but won't use it. What could be keeping my card from being detected?
19:04<witte>kjs: can you go to a terminal during install and do modprobe tg3
19:05<kjs>one second
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19:05<witte>kjs: the tg3 module is in the 2.6.18 kernel, so it should be supported
19:05<kjs>I'm just booting up right now
19:06<kjs>... but why doesn't the installer detect and use the tg3 driver
19:06<witte>kjs: don't know, but it should :-)
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19:07<witte>kjs: is it pcmcia (or how do you spell it)
19:07<kjs>i've modprobed the driver
19:07<witte>kjs: errors?
19:07<witte>kjs: if not, try to redo the network configuration thing
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19:09<kjs>the detect network hardware portion of the install gives me a list of drivers. but when I select tg3 it drops back to the message about not detecting a network card
19:09<witte>kjs: back to the terminal, does lspci show the card?
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19:10<kjs>what should I grep for?
19:10<witte>net?
19:10<gsimmons_>kjs: Your broadcom NIC chipset probably isn't recognised by 2.6.18's tg3 driver. You can try using the kmuto Etch installer, which has a 2.6.23 kernel.
19:10<gsimmons_>!tell kjs -about kmuto
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19:11<kjs>Ethernet controller: broadcom corp. unkown device
19:11<witte>kjs: is it a very new laptop?
19:12<kjs>yes
19:12<witte>if it is, gsimmons_ is probably right, and you should go for an installer with a newer kernel
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19:12<kjs>lenovo 3000 v200
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19:14<KurtKraut>I'm trying sync date/time with ntpdate but I'm getting this error: Can't adjust the time of day: Operation not permitted - what should I do ?
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19:15<witte>KurtKraut: run it as root?
19:15<KurtKraut>witte, I'm running it as root.
19:17<fsateler>how can I control the dma settings of a SATA drive?
19:17<witte>KurtKraut: ok, I have no clue, but you could try ntp instead of ntpdate
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19:18<witte>fsateler: you should check the hdparm program
19:18<witte>!tell fsateler about dma
19:19<fsateler>witte: hdparm doesn't let me: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
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19:22<witte>fsateler: do you already have udma enabled (hdparm -i /dev/<device>
19:23<witte>fsateler: or just paste the output of hdparm /dev/<device> and hdparm -i /dev/<device> in a pastebin
19:24<witte>!pastebin
19:24<dpkg>Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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19:26<fsateler>witte: http://paste.lisp.org/display/51009
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19:27<witte>fsateler: dma indeed seems not to be enabled
19:27<chealer>Zathras: uh, brain bug...
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19:27<Zathras>lol
19:27<chealer>Zathras: which line causes the output of "maria:rachohee | chpasswd"?
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19:28<fsateler>witte: you tell because there is no * in any entry?
19:28<Zathras>let me update the script/output with the debug statements I inserted
19:28<witte>fsateler: well yes, but i am no specialist, I know how it should look like when it works
19:28<fsateler>witte: hmm ok
19:29<witte>fsateler: don't know what to do if you get that error you got, but there are quite some google entries with the same error, maybe you can find a solution there
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19:31<Zathras>chealer, http://pastebin.ca/778880
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19:54<KurtKraut>A chroot enviroment must be done in a separated partition ?
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19:58<streuner>dpkg, listkeys multiple
19:58<dpkg>Factoid search of 'multiple' by key (4): multiple default gw ;; x-multiple ;; multiple ask ;; gpg sign multiple files.
19:58<streuner>!multiple ask
19:58<dpkg>rumour has it, multiple ask is the chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and oftc at the same time there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying.
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20:03<ptr>howdy
20:03<ptr>anyone in here know anything about artsd?
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20:04<chealer>ptr: yes
20:04<ptr>chealer: lovely :^)
20:05<ptr>I'm running artsd with the -n option.... I'd like to be able to control sound on this one machine remotely
20:05<ptr>Seems to be working fine; netstat reports it's listening on port 40893.
20:06<ptr>Now, how do I actually connect to that port from another machine? artsdsp doesn't seem to have any documented option for specifying a remote host and tcp port.
20:06<ptr>:-\ kcontrol even has an option for "Enable Networked Sound", which suggests it's not one of those mostly ignored half-finished features that gets swept under the carpet...
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20:07<ptr>but google tells me nothing -.-
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20:07<chealer>ptr: try asking #debian-kde
20:08<ptr>chealer: many thanks.
20:08<ptr>on oftc, or freenode?
20:08<ptr>given that there are 14 people in #debian-kde on oftc
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20:08<chealer>ptr: as you want, but you'll be lucky if freenode's is useful
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20:09<nowhereman>do you know if using #!/usr/bin/env for python or perl scripts is portable?
20:09<nowhereman>accross Linux distribution and other Unices
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20:10<Zathras>chealer, got the time/chance to look at the updated script/output concerning my issue please?
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20:10<dondelelcaro>nowhereman: it works on any unix that has /usr/bin/env, but that's not necessarily universal
20:11<dondelelcaro>nowhereman: it basically trades out the requirement to have /usr/bin/perl or /usr/bin/python there to having a /usr/bin/env there.
20:11<chealer>Zathras: yes, but it puzzles me. I'm looking at bash's manual but I doubt I'll find the problem.
20:11<dondelelcaro>(and frankly, the rationale for using env is kind of insane)
20:11<nowhereman>would you happen to know some Unices where it works/fails?
20:11<Zathras>chealer, yep. Same feeling here
20:11<dondelelcaro>nowhereman: anything that has /usr/bin/env will work; anything that doesn't will fail.
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20:12<dondelelcaro>figuring out which have it is an exercise that's kind of off topic here
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20:12<nowhereman>but would you know some Unices that are known to have or not have it?
20:12<dondelelcaro>Debian is known to have it
20:12<telemachus>not helpful but isn't it Unixes?
20:12<Zathras>it;s now 02.12 at night localtime. I have to fix this by tomorrow and do an big migration job and test before monday morning or do a rollback
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20:13<Zathras>last thing is not a real option
20:13<Zathras>kind of sucks
20:13<nowhereman>telemachus: no, I've always seen the plural as Unices
20:13<dondelelcaro>both are in use.
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20:13<Zathras>so I think I will have to wake up at a reasonable time on sundaymorning :-(
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20:13<dondelelcaro>but in any event, using /usr/bin/env with perl is silly; all of the perl Makefile installation scripts fix this for you
20:13<kuruma>hi
20:14<Zathras>thanks for your time and effort
20:14<kuruma>speaking spanish
20:14<kuruma>?
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20:14<dondelelcaro>!es
20:14<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:14<RaSeBo>!ro
20:14<kuruma>ok
20:15<RaSeBo>heh
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20:16<kuruma>interesante primera vez que entro aca
20:16<telemachus>here's what Wikipedia has to say about Unixes/Unices: Several plural forms of Unix are used to refer to multiple brands of Unix and Unix-like systems. Most common is the conventional "Unixes", but the hacker culture which created Unix has a penchant for playful use of language, and "Unices" (treating Unix as Latin noun of the third declension) is also popular. The Anglo-Saxon plural form "Unixen" is not common, although occasional
20:16<telemachus>ly seen.
20:16<chealer>why would $ echo $(echo chealer | grep chealer); have a different output from $ GCHEALER="echo chealer | grep chealer";echo $($GCHEALER); ? alternatively, how could bash expansion be "inspected" to debug?
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20:18<Zathras>chealer, is that addressed to me?
20:18<kuruma>no hay nadie en la sala debian-es =)
20:18<chealer>Zathras: not particularly
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20:19<kuruma>donde el caro de que parte eres
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20:19<ptr>I may have found my answer.... I'm kind of shocked that so few people have tried to do this
20:20<ptr>seems like people would *want* to be able to have remote sound along with their remote X11....
20:20<ptr>:-\
20:20<ptr>anywho, required some .mcoprc configuration
20:21<kuruma>by suerte, no entiendo nada =)
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20:21<kuruma>quit
20:22<knoppix_>COMMENT MACHE AMSN SVP
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20:22<telemachus>chealer, the problem seems to be putting a pipe into the alias
20:22<nowhereman>!fr
20:22<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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20:22<Guest1051>AMSN?
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20:26<reflect>I'm having some trouble with java based chats in firefox/iceweasel, all the text becomes garbaged and overwrites itself making it unreadable, and there is no scroll bar either where there should be. Any ideas on what would cause those, or any ideas how to go about fixing this?
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20:27<fancylad>i typed "find / -name "apache*" | xargs rm -rf" to uninstall everything to do with apache as I had tried compiling if from source and I had screwed it up. Now when i type "apt-get install apache" i get "/var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postinst: line 12: /usr/share/apache/postinst.common: No such file or directory
20:27<fancylad>dpkg: error processing apache (--configure):
20:27<fancylad> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
20:27<fancylad>Errors were encountered while processing:
20:27<fancylad> apache
20:27<dpkg>That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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20:28<fancylad>sorry about pasting
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20:29<fancylad>anyways i get some errors about dpkg. is there something wrong with the dpkg database now? is it possible to fix this?
20:29<chealer>telemachus: yes, but why? what does it expand to?
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20:29<Anon9001>hay guise
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20:30<Deltantor>Dont even think about it guise
20:30<telemachus>chealer: I'm trying to figure that out myself
20:30<Skip>what
20:30<Skip>what
20:30<Skip>what
20:30<Skip>what
20:30<Skip>what
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20:30<Anon9001>huh?
20:30<Anon9001>huh?
20:30<Anon9001>huh?
20:30<Anon9001>huh?
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20:31<Anon9001>hm?
20:31<Anon9001>guess not
20:31<telemachus>chealer: it doesn't seem to expand at all - look at the output of gchealer="ls | wc -l"; $gchealer - ls: |: No such file or directory
20:31<telemachus>ls: wc: No such file or directory
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20:32<chealer>fancylad: presumably. start by checking that your system is uncorrupted
20:32<anony>k3
20:32<anony>k3
20:32<anony>k3
20:32<anony>k3
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20:32<JoeWilson>k4
20:32<JoeWilson>k4
20:32<JoeWilson>k4
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20:32<grnp>LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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20:32<RaSeBo>wth?
20:32<Deltantor>They are from ebaums world
20:33<Deltantor>They spam irc's because they get lulz
20:33<grnp>lol
20:33<grnp>fapfapfapfapfap
20:33<RaSeBo>lulz?
20:34<Deltantor>lulz is a corruption of "LOL" which stands for laughing out loud
20:34<flami>no because they are 1227 h4xx0r WoOooo
20:34<flami>hum wasnt that 1337 ? ;)
20:35<RaSeBo>oh..ok :)
20:35<grnp>mkay
20:35<telemachus>chealer: no, I'm an idiot - try this instead - alias gchealer='echo chealer | grep chealer'; export gchealer; gchealer
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20:36<Myon>grnp: btw, making interesting noises during a bot attack is dangerous :)
20:36<telemachus>chealer: that appears to work fine (though maybe I'm not misunderstanding your problem/question)
20:36<telemachus>not = now
20:36<reflect>is it alright if I repost my question?
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20:37<chealer>telemachus: yes, but I'm trying to understand why it "doesn't work" with a variable. an alias won't do.
20:38<grnp>Myon, thank you, I'm drunk
20:38<telemachus>chealer: ok, good, now I understand what doesn't work - sorry for the confusion
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20:40<telemachus>chealer: can I ask what you are trying to do - what is the real goal? (Why must it be a variable?)
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20:44<chealer>telemachus: I'm trying to answer Zathras's question - http://pastebin.ca/778880
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20:51<reflect>I'm having some trouble with java based chats in firefox/iceweasel, all the text becomes garbaged and overwrites itself making it unreadable, and there is no scroll bar either where there should be. Any ideas on what would cause those, or any ideas how to go about fixing this?
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20:58<college>can you name some apps that ping a server a hole bunch of times ???
20:58<keith>Debian4.0.Etch. What steps are necessary to install a deb file? I assume I have to place it in sources.list but what do I have to do before that?
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20:59<Nemoder>keith: apt-get update; apt-get install <package>
20:59<Nemoder>or I guess running aptitude is the official way now
20:59<telemachus>chealer: got it - gchealer='echo chealer | grep chealer'; eval $gchealer
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21:00<Nemoder>keith: sorry, I think I read that wrong, you don't place a .deb file in the sources.list, you place a server repository there, if you just have a .deb then you can run 'dpkg -i file.deb' to install it
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21:02<Zathras>chealer, to make things even more interesting I have documented all lines out except for the smbpasswd lines
21:03<Zathras>this still results in 2 password changed messages
21:03<Zathras>but that is still bs as I still cannot login to the imap server which uses the system passwd file
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21:04<Zathras>so that password settings does not work too
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21:05<telemachus>chealer: the problem is that during the processing of a shell command, pipes are checked for before variables are substituted, so in a variable a pipe doesn't "read" right unless you use the eval command to process things twice
21:06<telemachus>chealer: otherwise, the pipe is read as an argument to whatever command preceded
21:06<telemachus>cool
21:06<telemachus>(did that make sense?)
21:08<Zathras>next is not to use vars but to do one a single line: smbpasswd $USR $PWD
21:08<Zathras>this results still in 2 messages that the pwd has changed, but now these are on two different outputlines
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21:08<Zathras>yet no login possible with this new pwd on cyrus imap
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21:15<telemachus>chealer: if you're curious - see this link: http://osdir.com/ml/user-groups.linux.gnhlug/2005-08/msg00054.html
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21:17<chealer>telemachus: makes sense, nail on the head. thanks
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21:19<telemachus>chealer: my pleasure - the real question now is will I remember this in 5 months when it comes up again...
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21:21<Breeder>hi, how i can read data written to a tty?
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21:25<chealer>Zathras: I hope that answers your question
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21:26<Zathras>chealer, not sure what you mean
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21:26<Zathras>only 'solutiuon' I see now is to manually change all pwd of all users by hand using the passwd program :-(
21:27<Zathras>when I do that I can login to the IMAP server with that user/pwd combination
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21:28<Zathras>it sucks bigtime and I do not see what smbpasswd + sync fails and changing the linux pwd from script fails too while I do not get errors :-(
21:28<Zathras>*see why
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21:29<chealer>Zathras: telemachus's answer to my question. it explains why your echo `$CMD_NP_LIN` is interpreted as echo `echo '$USR:$PWD | chpasswd'` rather than without the single quotes.
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21:29[~]chealer bbl
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21:32<telemachus>Zathras: I'm not sure about the original question, but if you use the eval command you can get a variable with a pipe in it to work
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21:32<telemachus>Zathras: test='ls | wc -l'; eval $test
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21:32<telemachus>Zathras: see this page http://osdir.com/ml/user-groups.linux.gnhlug/2005-08/msg00054.html
21:32<Zathras>ty
21:32<christher>hey
21:32<christher>:O
21:33<christher>Ugly nick now hahah xD
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21:33<Zor3xeR>:D
21:33<Zor3xeR>hey :D
21:34<Zor3xeR>some one here?
21:34<Zor3xeR>telemachus: ?
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21:36<telemachus>sorry?
21:36<Zor3xeR>hey (=
21:36<telemachus>do we know each other?
21:37<Zor3xeR>No i dont think so :p i came from QuakeNet im perm g-lined there now :p
21:37<Zor3xeR>hehe
21:37<Zor3xeR>and i need som help with Linux Ubuntu
21:37<Zathras>chealer, telemachus thanks a bundle, now my password issue on that machine is solved. Now I can start my huge migration job!
21:37<Zor3xeR>Ubuntu / debian
21:37<Zathras>that is: tomorrow
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21:37<telemachus>Zathras: good deal, and good luck with the rest of the work
21:37<Zathras>ty
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21:38<Zathras>syncing 2 IMAP server is the job
21:38<Zor3xeR>hmm
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21:38<Zor3xeR>i used MS OS yesterday.
21:39<Zor3xeR>and now i use Linux
21:39<Zor3xeR>and need some help
21:39<Zor3xeR>telemachus:
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21:39<Zor3xeR>=/
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21:41<mikearthur>I'm getting lots of ldconfig: file $LIBRARY.so.* is truncated messages
21:41<Knorrie>this is #debian, not #ubuntu
21:41<mikearthur>and random crashes
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21:41<mikearthur>any ideas how to resolve?
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21:45<Breeder>how i can read data written to a tty?
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21:53<mikearthur>how would I reinstall all my packages?
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22:20<Gunner>rookie linux user here.....set up debian for a webserver but it failed to load PHP and MySQL.....and I can't seem to apt-get either....clues/help?
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22:21<Nemoder>Gunner: is apt-get returning an error?
22:21<Gunner>just a sec and let me see
22:22<Gunner>just says invalid operation
22:22<Gunner>if I type apt-get php
22:22<Gunner>or mysql
22:22<Gunner>even tried typing in the entire file name from deb.org
22:23<Gunner>not sure why it didn't auto load them from the net-install after I told it it was to be a webserver
22:23<Nemoder>you are missing the command
22:23<Nemoder>you need an operation such as 'install' or 'remove'
22:23<Gunner>ah
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22:25<faheem>Can anyone point me to docs about automated Debian package building?
22:25<Gunner>dkpg was interrupted, you must manually run dkpg --configure -a to correct the problem
22:25<faheem>I'm using vserver guests, but I doubt the details matter.
22:26<Gunner>oookay
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22:26<Gunner>now it says it can't find the package for mysql
22:27<Nemoder>Gunner: I suggest running aptitude and searching for mysql
22:27<Solver>you may want to do an aptitude update as well
22:27<Solver>to update your list of packages
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22:30<faheem>Anyone here using virtual machines with dupload?
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22:31<Gunner>not entirely sure what I'm doing here....got aptitude running figured out how to update it, but I don't see mysql or php listed as installed or not installed
22:32<Gunner>this would probably be easier if I could get my remote access working for the comp running linux :P
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22:33<Gunner>I thought apt-get was used for getting packages from other sites such as debian.org
22:33<Solver>Gunner: what is in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
22:33<Solver>Gunner: apt-get and aptitude both do this
22:34<Solver>they both use sources.list as a list of sources (hence the name) :)
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22:34<Solver>Gunner: Are you using Stable (Etch)
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22:34<Solver>?
22:35<Gunner>think so...4.0 r1_Etch
22:35<Solver>ok cool
22:35<Nemoder>Gunner: try searching for mysql-server
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22:36<Gunner>not to sound completely stooopid, but how?
22:36<Solver>Gunner: aptitude search mysql-server
22:36<Nemoder>run aptitude and select search from the menu on top
22:36<Nemoder>or that
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22:36<Gunner>couldn't figure out how to access the top menu :/
22:37<Solver>I just did aptitude search mysql and got 94 matches :)
22:37<Nemoder>ctrl-t
22:37<Gunner>DOH!
22:37<Nemoder>or click on it if it detects the mouse
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22:37<Gunner>no mouse
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22:38<Gunner>ok...four lines came up
22:38<Gunner>one is mysql-server-5.0
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22:39<Gunner>first one is a meta package, second is a transitional package and the third (5.0) is a binaries
22:39<Nemoder>the descriptions should help you decide which one you need
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22:41<Solver>Gunner: mysql-server will pull in mysql-server-5.0
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22:41<Solver>Gunner: of course you might prefer mysql-server-4.1
22:41<Gunner>how so?
22:42<Solver>Gunner: some older software might require it. If you don't know you need the older package, use 5.0
22:42<Solver>Gunner: The problem usually arises with DBs that were written for an older version
22:43<Gunner>ok...so next questions are this......do I need to get php installed first before mysql and how do I get either of them onto the system?
22:43<Solver>Gunner: pull the required packages in. let the package management system work it out :)
22:43<Solver>Gunner: that's one of the reasons Debian rocks :)
22:44<Solver>Gunner: get the mysql & php packages you want. dependencies will work themselves out
22:44<Gunner>like I said first off....rookie ;)
22:44<Solver>np :)
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22:44<Gunner>how do I get them?
22:44<Solver>aptitude and apt-get will both do this for you...
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22:44<Solver>I like command line aptitude so this is how I do it:
22:44<Solver>aptitude update make sure you have up to date package lists
22:44<Nemoder>Gunner: Package/Install on the menu, or just hit +
22:45<Solver>aptitude upgrade get security updates, etc
22:45<Solver>then:
22:45<Nemoder>then Actions/Install
22:45<Solver>aptitude search <package name>
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22:45<Solver>aptitude install <package name>
22:45<Solver>so between Nemoder and I you're seeing the command line and menu approaches
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22:49<Gunner>ok...somethings not right....followed the command lines as you typed them....bunch of shit went flying across the screen....apparently it didn't install it and wanted me to put in the cd-rom. now it's wanting to reinstall the kernel
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22:51<Nemoder>Gunner: can you pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list
22:51<Nemoder>!paste
22:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
22:51<Gunner>can't
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22:51<Gunner>I haven't gotten remote access to the linux system working yet
22:51<Solver>Gunner: but you are accessing it via a terminal?
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22:51<Gunner>I'm having to turn around and access it from a separate keyboard and monitor
22:51<Gunner>yes
22:51<Solver>or via the console I mean
22:51<Solver>ah
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22:52<Solver>you could email the output to yourself
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22:52<Nemoder>Gunner: well just look through the file, are you wanting to install from the cdrom or from internet?
22:52<Solver>exactly
22:52<Solver>you are probably still referencing the cdrom in sources.list
22:53<Gunner>the CD-Rom is the net install version of linux
22:53<Solver>comment out any references to the cdrom and run aptitude update again
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22:53[~]Solver recommends keeping a backup copy of any system config file you are playing with
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22:55<Nemoder>Gunner: run 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' and place a # in front of the cdrom lines to comment them out
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22:56<Solver>Gunner: once you've followed Nemoder's instructions then run aptitude update
22:57<Gunner>ok
22:58<Solver>once you've done that you should be pulling packages exclusively from net repositories
22:58<Gunner>what I'm seeing in the sources.list file (after #'ing the CD-ROM lines) are four lines...first two are different Etch main ftp servers and then the last two are two different security update lines
22:58<Solver>sounds good
22:59<Nemoder>yes, it may want to upgrade a lot of packages based on those security updates
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22:59<Gunner>now if I hit control X it will save and exit right?
22:59<Nemoder>yes
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23:00<Gunner>ok....so to back track, y'all want to give me the commands again to find php and mysql?
23:00<Solver>aptitude search mysql
23:00<Solver>aptitude install mysql-server
23:00<Gunner>you'd figure that at 43 I'd be a whiz at this stuff considering I've been on computers since I was a kid
23:01<Solver>ditto php :)
23:01[~]Solver is 35 and notes there is always stuff to learn in this biz
23:01<Gunner>geez!
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23:01<Gunner>stuff completely scrolled off my screen
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23:01<Solver>aptitude search mysql | less
23:02<Nemoder>(Q to quit less)
23:02<Solver>Gunner: familiar with the shell pipe | ?
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23:02<Gunner>not since college and we used an IBM AS400
23:03<Gunner>unix system
23:03<Solver>ah cool
23:03<Solver>well all the stuff you learnt then will still work on bash (the standard Linux shell) but bash is a lot more powerfu;
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23:04<Gunner>WOOHOO! Installing 92.1MB of shit while installing MySQL-SERVER-5.0
23:04<Nemoder>:)
23:04<Solver>cool :)
23:04<Shadowcat>uhh
23:04<Shadowcat>don't use --with-recommends
23:04<Solver>Gunner: you'll probably want a mysql-client too
23:04<Solver>Shadowcat: he's getting security updates too, we think
23:04<Gunner>OI!
23:04<Solver>but yes this is a good point
23:05<Solver>aptitude installed "recommended" by default
23:05<Solver>this is probably a little dumb of it but it is easy to fix
23:05<Gunner>ok now you say a MySQL client as well?
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23:05<jesus>hello, i have a question.
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23:06<Solver>Gunner: useful to help you debug mysql issues you may be having
23:06<jesus>sombody know a irc client like mirc?
23:06<Nemoder>xchat?
23:06<Solver>Gunner: Debian has the best package management system out there - as long as you have a net connection you can pull in packages as required
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23:07<Solver>Gunner: even when I'm intending to access the mysql server over the net exclusively, I still put a mysql client on the server
23:07<jesus>sombody know a irc client like mirc?
23:07<Nemoder>Gunner: if you use the menu system in aptitude it will give you an easier to understand breakdown of which files are required for which programs
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23:09<_Tango_>how Linux maintains the SMP's ACPI ? can anyone give me any reference ?
23:10<Gunner>ooookay.....I did a search for mysql-client....then did aptitude install mysql-client-5.0 and it 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded
23:10<Nemoder>it's probably already installed
23:10<Solver>Gunner: maybe it has already pulled it in
23:10<Solver>yeah
23:10<Gunner>ah
23:10<Solver>it was probably a recommended for the server
23:10<Gunner>now for php :/
23:11<Gunner>good lord
23:11<Gunner>now which php package
23:11<Nemoder>probably php5
23:11<Solver>php5-mysql :)
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23:13<Gunner>ok installed
23:14<Solver>cool :)
23:14<Solver>go have fun :)
23:14<Solver>did you need apache?
23:14<Gunner>next issue to tackle if you folks don't mind....how do I get puTTY to talk to my linux system? It'll be so much nicer to remote in over my home network
23:14<Solver>is sshd running?
23:14<Gunner>it installed apache believe it or not during the initial install of linux
23:14<Nemoder>openssh-server
23:15<Solver>right
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23:15<Solver>install that package, and ssh in :)
23:15<Gunner>command not found
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23:15<Gunner>DOH@
23:15<Solver>aptitude install openssh-server
23:15<Gunner>!
23:15<Solver>:)
23:15<Nemoder>install that package and it will start automaticly
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23:16<Gunner>ok...now how do I get my initial login (me) to have SU powers? or do I have to log in as me, then change to SU?
23:17<Solver>login and use su to get to superuser
23:17<Nemoder>the latter is recommended
23:17<Solver>you don;t want your regular a/c to have superuser privs
23:17<Gunner>ok
23:17<Solver>Gunner: an alternative to su is "sudo"
23:17<Solver>aptitude install sudo
23:18<Gunner>odd...when I go to SU I lose my colors when I do ls
23:18<Solver>yeah different environment settings
23:18<Nemoder>ls --autocolors i think
23:18<Solver>Gunner: it is discouraged to remain as superuser more than necessary
23:18<Solver>Gunner: so you may wish to let it stay ugly ;)
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23:19<Gunner>eh?
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23:19<Solver>Gunner: just a joke about discouraging people from keeping superuser privileges longer than necessary
23:20<Gunner>so what happened to my color listings when I go to SU?
23:20<Nemoder>it's better to add your regular user to privileged groups than staying logged in as root
23:20<Solver>agreed
23:20<Gunner>CHMOD command right?
23:20<Nemoder>addgroup username groupname
23:20<Solver>Gunner: I recommend looking in to sudo
23:21<Solver>Gunner: It is a great tool
23:21<Gunner>ok..installed
23:21<Solver>sudo ?
23:21<Gunner>and remote access is working!!!! YEAH!
23:21<Gunner>yeah
23:21<Solver>cool
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23:22<Gunner>I tried to log out from the keyboard at the linux machine and it told me there are stopped jobs?
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23:22<Solver>Gunner: type: jobs
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23:22<Solver>Gunner: you must have suspended jobs at some point
23:22<Gunner>left vi editor running
23:22<Solver>Gunner: this is fairly harmless. it is tell you that you suspended jobs. if you log out they will probably be killed
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23:23<Solver>you can use "fg" to get it back
23:23<Solver>Gunner: then you can exit it
23:23<Gunner>ok...so what does and how do I use Sudo?
23:23<Solver>ok add a line to /etc/sudoers
23:23<Solver>eg,
23:23<Solver>gunner ALL=(ALL) ALL
23:23<Solver>instead of gunner put in your user name
23:24<Solver>there is a special command call visudo for editing /etc/sudoers but to be quite frank I never use it
23:24<Solver>save /etc/sudoers
23:24<Solver>now you can achieve superuser privs from your regular a/c by using sudp
23:24<Solver>sudo
23:24<Solver>eg,
23:24<Solver>sudo ls /root
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23:25<Solver>you will be prompted for your password the first time and then periodically if you continue to use sudo
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23:25<Gunner>what was that editor?
23:25<Solver>visudo
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23:26<Solver>I use vi or whatever to edit sudoers
23:26[~]Solver slaps himself on the wrist :)
23:26<Nemoder>nano was the simple text editor
23:26<Gunner>yeah that one
23:26<Solver>ah cool
23:26<Solver>yeah nano is a great little editor
23:27<Solver>the key is that so long as you keep the root password you can fix a messed up sudoers file
23:27<Solver>my default sudo prompts you for _your_ password to to admin work, not to the root password the way su does
23:28<dondelelcaro>you should always use visudo
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23:28<Nemoder>hmm http://popcon.debian.org/main/editors/by_vote
23:28<dondelelcaro>it doesn't necessarily *use* vi, it uses sensible-editor, which obeys EDITOR or wahtever is appropriate.
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23:29<Solver>dondelelcaro: that's a good point
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23:29<Solver>yeah I should probably make myself use visudo
23:30<dondelelcaro>the important bits there are that it's fairly easy to jack up sudoers, and sudo fails closed, not open.
23:30<Solver>quite :)
23:30<Gunner>ok...something tain't quite right
23:30<Solver>Gunner: how so?
23:31<Gunner>well I went into SU mode, edited the sudoers file and below where it had root ALL...yadda yadda
23:31<Gunner>I added (myname) ALL...yadda yadda
23:31<Solver>root ALL=(ALL) ALL ?
23:31<Solver>yourname ALL=(ALL) ALL ?
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23:32<Gunner>yup
23:32<Solver>you saved the file ?
23:32<Gunner>I'll check, but pretty sure I did
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23:32<Solver>what was the problem?
23:32<Solver>dondelelcaro: you've convinced me. I'm going to use visudo from now on :)
23:33[~]Solver changes habit after 10+ years :)
23:33<Gunner># User privilege specification
23:33<Gunner>root ALL=(ALL) ALL
23:33<Gunner>bryant ALL=(ALL) ALL
23:33<Solver>ok, so what's the problem?
23:34<Gunner>not sure...it didn't seem to want to work unless I typed the command wrong
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23:34<dondelelcaro>Solver: yeah, jacking up sudoers once on a system where you don't know the root password will do that to you
23:34<Solver>dondelelcaro: indeed :)
23:34<Solver>dondelelcaro: and theh guy who does it asleep :)
23:35<Solver>Gunner: try this:
23:35<Solver>sudo whoami
23:35<Solver>enter your password if prompted
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23:35<Gunner>says root
23:35<Solver>then it is working
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23:36<Gunner>not entirely it seems...won't let me edit files
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23:36<Nemoder>you have to use sudo before every command you wish to do as root
23:36<Solver>Gunner: what command are you typing?
23:36<Solver>exactly
23:37<Solver>you can use sudo -s
23:37<Gunner>just out of curiousity...I tried editing the sudoers file
23:37<Solver>which will give you a shell
23:37<click170>Does a recursive cp follow sym links?
23:38<Solver>click170: not without -H believe
23:38<Gunner>hmmm...gives me Error reading sudoers......permission denied
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23:39<Solver>Gunner: as Nemoder said, you need to use sudo before each command
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23:39<Solver>the alternative is to use sudo -s
23:39<Gunner>oh..missed that
23:39<Solver>whch will give you a shell
23:39<click170>Solver: Thanks
23:39<Solver>click170: np. read the man page for cp - there is more on symlinks :)
23:40<Gunner>no kidding, big THANKS from me too
23:40<Solver>good luck :)
23:40<Solver>Gunner: just be careful as root ;)
23:40<Solver>and backup
23:41<Gunner>well without a CD burner on here...backups wont' be easy
23:41<Solver>external usb drives are cheap as chips
23:41<Solver>for older boxes I used to use firewall because usb1 was so slow
23:41<Gunner>now I have to go thru the headache of setting up my php E-commerce website :/
23:41<Solver>if it is even fairly new it'll have usb2
23:42<Solver>ah the fun bit :)
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23:42<Gunner>well I'm off to bed
23:42<Solver>Gunner: for home backups I rotate 5 x 500GB external usb drives offsite
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23:42<Gunner>night all ;)
23:42<Solver>total investment a few hundred dollars but the data is priceless
23:42<Gunner>well if I had the money...I'd do it
23:42<Solver>(I recently upgraded the drives)
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23:43<Solver>Gunner: get even a single drive if you can
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23:43<Solver>Gunner: most ppl have spare drives these days - go to a linux user group and you could easily score one
23:43<Gunner>this little system has a 40GB Maxtor in it, 1Ghz Intel (gag) processor and 512MB RAM
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23:43<Solver>usb enclosures them selves can be as each os $20 or $30 in north america
23:44<Solver>as cheap as $20 or $30 I meant to say
23:44<Solver>if you are near a LUG and you ask if someone has an 80Gb drive I bet you'd be given one
23:44<Gunner>well I have one that I got with my new computer (old one got fried from a powersurge) homeowners insurance is wonderful...got me a new computer built
23:45[~]Solver has about 7 or 8 on his shelf
23:45<Gunner>LUG?
23:45<Gunner>nevermind
23:45<Solver>linux user group
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23:45<Gunner>new comp has SATA drives...I have a brand new seagate EIDE drive that I use in the enclosure for deep space imaging
23:46<Solver>ah cool :)
23:46<Solver>some times ppl worry about the price of backing up
23:46<Solver>the price of _not_ backing up can be very high :)
23:46<Gunner>I belong to an amateur astronomy group and we have a 27" telescope with a $10,000 camera in it :D
23:46<Nemoder>I have a removable SATA drive bay for backups, sadly the linux kernel doesn't support hotplugging in the via driver :(
23:46<Solver>Nemoder: doh
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23:47<Solver>the usb/firewire approach has worked well for me for many years
23:47<Gunner>well thanks again you two and I'm off to bed. But I'm sure I'll be back more than once ;)
23:48<Solver>good luck
23:48[~]Solver goes to watch tv
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23:48<Solver>I find if I stay on the computer I stay awake :)
23:48<Solver>night
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23:56<cvarrick>how can i get a list of installed packages?
23:56<Solver>dpkg -l
23:57<cvarrick>ahh thanks
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23:58<Solver>cvarrick: np
23:58<Solver>ok now I'm sleeping :)
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