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#debian IRC Logs for 2007-11-18

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00:00<reg022>привет всем
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00:05<kingsley>If cell A1 of a spreadsheet is cleared, and therefor completely blank, why would putting "=A1" in cell A2 return "0" for cell A2, instead of returning nothing?
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00:12<cvarrick>connect irc.oftc.net
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00:12<cvarrick>sorry
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00:19<user01>is there a tutorial for dictd?
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00:35<dubloe7>can anyone help me get a pcmcia wifi card working?
00:35<dubloe7>preferably without using the ndiswrapper thing
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00:39<timothywcrane>does anyone know of any software that can be set up to allow voicemail style order taking for my businesses 800 number?
00:40<timothywcrane>asterisk maybe?
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00:44<user01>for the locales, UTF-8 should be the choice for english right?
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00:49<drgeb>with asterisks do u need a special phone to use it ?
00:50<timothywcrane>I I think you need an ISDN card. I have been searching for a way to get it to play with Skype, but I need to go check on API
00:51<drgeb>timothy wow that would be cool
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00:52<timothywcrane>as for regullar phones, it should work through voice modems or other interface connections to your computer (think telemarketing room style phone systems.
00:53<drgeb>hmm not sure I get that, can you call a certain number on your regular phone and receive the message ?
00:53<timothywcrane>I am finding more info on the repositories for IVR (voice recognition) for Yate than Asterisk though. I have just begun my search. Anything I say might be wrong
00:54<drgeb>what about emailing the voice mail to your regular email account ?
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00:55<timothywcrane>I think we might be on a different page. I am trying to automate order taking for my business over the phone. I want to take orders on my 800 number while I am asleep. Are you looking for a regular voice mail program for your home phone?
00:57<timothywcrane>the coolest linux VM program that is easy to use I have found is here http://blog.teledyn.com/node/481
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00:59<drgeb>thanks tim
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01:39<IceGuest_7>Hi everyone. I am trying to run trac with apache and mod_python and get error www-data user must have write access to some file
01:39<IceGuest_7>Should I change the ownership? or is it possible for same directory to have several owners?
01:39<IceGuest_7>I am new to linix...
01:39<IceGuest_7>linux*
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01:50<IceGuest_7>How can I list all groups?
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01:51<drgeb>more /etc/group
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01:51<IceGuest_7>How do i find out which group does www-data belong to?
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01:52<IceGuest_7>I have a file in my home directory, which needs to have www-data as it's owner, but could I somehow have both, me and the www-data uaser be owners?
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02:20<S3v3N>Hello. I have problem with debian 4.0 r1 base system/console mode (because during the setup I hadn't internet). I do not receive any DHCPOFFERS. In my interfaces config is primary network set like that: "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp". I have VDSL and Dynamic IP so I don't need any username or password to connect on internet. My home network is connected like that: modem -> utp cable to 8 port switch -> 1 slot in switch for that utp cable
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02:39<S3v3N>Hello. I have problem with debian 4.0 r1 base system/console mode (because during the setup I hadn't internet). I do not receive any DHCPOFFERS. In my interfaces config is primary network set like that: "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp". I have VDSL and Dynamic IP so I don't need any username or password to connect on internet. My home network is connected like that: modem -> utp cable to 8 port switch -> 1 slot in switch for that utp cable
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03:03<agus>hi
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03:04<agus>I can't find DRI support for nvidia in the kernel... should I make ir from out side???
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03:10<suiside>agus: you'd want the official nvidia drivers
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03:14<S3v3N>Hello. I have problem with debian 4.0 r1 base system/console mode (because during the setup I hadn't internet). I do not receive any DHCPOFFERS. In my interfaces config is primary network set like that: "auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet dhcp". I have VDSL and Dynamic IP so I don't need any username or password to connect on internet. My home network is connected like that: modem -> utp cable to 8 port switch -> 1 slot in switch for that utp cable
03:15<suiside>S3v3N: don't repeat yourself
03:15<suiside>not that often atleast
03:15<S3v3N>ok sry
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03:25<suiside>S3v3N: doublecheck your cables and have a look at the Network Configuration Chapter (10) in the debian reference
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03:26<S3v3N>suiside: what do you mean with doublecheck? plug out, plug in?
03:27<suiside>just check that they're plugged in correctly
03:28<S3v3N>lol sure they are, when i plug in debian says link up full duplex etc..
03:28<S3v3N>btw. where is that network configuration chapter (10)
03:28<S3v3N>?
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03:29<suiside>at debian.org
03:29<S3v3N>suiside: btw... i also tried with a patch cable and it doesn't work
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03:36<nubbun>I wish to backup an audio CD of mine. How do I extract the TOC so that I have all the information for later reconstruction?
03:37<nubbun>I have cdrdao and it should somehow be possible. I see a "read-toc" command. I think a problem is that I don't know how to specify the device in the form it wishes.
03:38<nubbun>I give it /dev/scd0 .
03:38<nubbun>lsscsi shows [0:0:3:0] cd/dvd ... /dev/scd0
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03:41<nubbun>I think I found the answer with a little trial and error.
03:41<nubbun>cdrdao read-toc --device 0,3,0 toc.toc
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03:46<nubbun>cdrdao is giving me output like : Found 12 Q sub-channels with CRC errors. Are they necessarily optical defects or could the CD bi incorrectly manufactured?
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03:58<Klubni4Ka>smb speak in russian ??
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04:02<suiside>!ru
04:02<dpkg>ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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04:28<victor>I just installed Xcin, meant to use it to imput Chinese, but I don't how to use it, what the command is. I've tried to get some help from their homepage, but it cannot be opened. I was a windows user and just moved to Debian several days ago.
04:28<victor>Could anyone please help.
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04:30<victor> I just installed Xcin, meant to use it to imput Chinese, but I don't how to use it, what the command is. I've tried to get some help from their homepage, but it cannot be opened. I was a windows user and just moved to Debian several days ago.
04:31<victor> Could anyone please help?
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04:41<Nemoder>victor: nothing in /usr/share/doc/xcin ?
04:42<Klubni4Ka>пока всем
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04:42<victor>Nemoder: there are things there.
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04:43<victor>I have no idea what they are.
04:43<Nemoder>if it's a .gz file then try viewing it with zless
04:44<victor>a lot of .gz files there.
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04:44<victor>Which one to pick?
04:44<Nemoder>if there is a readme start with that
04:46<victor>What is zless?
04:46<victor>i used text editor and it shows a mess.
04:46<Nemoder>zless will view compressed files
04:47<Nemoder>ie: zless readme.gz
04:48<Nemoder>arrow keys to scroll around, q to quit
04:48<Nemoder>same as less
04:48<victor>unrecognizable
04:49<victor>give you a sample: COPYING: GNU General Public License (<A7>t<AD>^<A4><E5><AD>쪩<A4>Τ<A4><A4>
04:49<victor><E5> Big5 ½Ķ)
04:49<victor><AD>Y<B1>z<B9><EF><A9><F3> xcin <A4><BA><B3><A1><B5>{<A6><A1><B9><EA><A7>@<A5>H
04:49<victor><A4>μҲռg<A7>@<A6><B3><BF><B3><BD><EC><A1>A<A5>i<A5>H<B0>Ѧ<D2>
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04:49<victor>see?
04:50<Nemoder>strange
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04:51<victor>Maybe the readme file is in Chinese, and my Debian can't display it
04:52<Nemoder>well, try running man xcin
04:53<victor>Should I paste all of them here?
04:53<victor>I don't wanna get kicked.
04:54<Nemoder>no, you are probably right, that doesn't look like english text
04:54<Nemoder>but I'm pretty sure manual pages have to be in english (if that is what your language is set to)
04:54<victor>Yeah, it is.
04:54<victor>XCIN is an XIM (X Input Method) server which is widely used in Taiwan
04:54<victor> to perform Chinese input under X Window system. It is originally devel‐
04:54<victor> oped by Edward Der-Hua Liu (Oct. 1994) and many other programmers in
04:54<victor> early days; while now it is supported by the XCIN Project.
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04:55<george>victor: hmm, debhelper must not like you for some reason... can't figure out why...
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04:55<Nemoder>!paste
04:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.
04:56<Nemoder>I'm supprised there isn't an english readme in the document folder somewhere, i'd check all the files
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05:00<victor>Nemoder: i've found a README.Debian.gz, it's in English!
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05:36<Zylvain>plop
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05:39<kakashi>ho appena installato mysql, ma appena lo lancio mi da questo errore ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)
05:39<Myon>!it
05:39<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
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05:41<kakashi>sorry ;)
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05:56<Sakara>Hi all the gui on my debian machine is causing a hard freeze what are the most common problems? How should I trouble shoot it?
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05:56<dli>Sakara, memtest86 first
05:57<Sakara>will do
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05:58<victor>hi, take a look at this:
05:58<victor>xcin: error: C locale "zh_CN.GB2312" is not supported by your system.
05:59<victor>I have read a
05:59<victor>Chinese howto.
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05:59<victor>and it says that I should generate a locale first.
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06:00<Gathond>unless you have already done so you should
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06:00<victor>How am I supposed to generate a locale, such as zh_CN GB2312?
06:01<victor>the howto says the command is dpkg-reconfigure locales.
06:01<victor>but it doesn't work.
06:01<petemc>how so?
06:01<Gathond>its renamed I think
06:01<Gathond>locales-all
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06:02<victor>bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
06:02<Gathond>victor: and you are root?
06:02<victor>bash: locales-all: command not found
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06:02<victor>no.
06:03|-|mode/#debian [+l 272] by debhelper
06:03<victor>should i log in as root?
06:03<victor>to do so?
06:03<petemc>or use su/sudo
06:03<Gathond>you should be root to do this, however dpkg-reconfigure does not ask for the locales anymore on my system
06:03<Gathond>so they might have moved that as well
06:03<petemc>works for me
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06:04<Gathond>petemc: hmmm it does nothing here, it used to bring up a ncurses interface to select which locales to generate
06:04<Gathond>but locales-all does not do thie
06:04<petemc>no, dpkg-reconfigure locales does
06:05<victor>yeah, it works now. Thank you.
06:05<Gathond>petemc: but that package does not exist (possibly because I use SID)
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06:07<victor>How can I generate multiple locales at a time?
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06:08<Gathond>victor: just select all those you want generated when dpkg-reconfigure asks then select ok
06:08<Gathond>it will generate all those marked
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06:09<victor>How can they be marked? It seems to me that only one can be marked at a time.
06:09<deltantor>Hi, can someone tell me what the command is to automatically reconfigure x.org?
06:10<victor>and mouse cannot be used here.
06:10<petemc>space bar
06:10<Eulex>victor, several may be generated, only one can be used at a time.
06:10<Gathond>Eulex: not entirely true, you can combine them, using number formats from one and language from another
06:11<Eulex>Gathond, well, yes
06:11<gsimmons_>!tell deltantor -about drxx
06:11<dli>victor, just use spacebar to check and uncheck
06:11<Eulex>Gathond, in any case, if your sid hasn't for the locales package, it's broken.
06:11<cammoblammo>Does anyone know why linux 2.6.23 isn't in unstable yet?
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06:12<Gathond>Eulex: it has the locales-all package, the other one got removed at some point since it was no longer in the repository
06:12<Gathond>and aptitude replaced it with locales-all
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06:12<Sakara>dli: memtest86 running now....
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06:13<Eulex>Gathond, http://packages.debian.org/sid/locales
06:13<petemc>Sakara: memtest takes ages
06:13<Sakara>ETA?
06:13<petemc>eons
06:13<Gathond>Eulex: I've seen that, I've also seen that locales-all can be used in place of it
06:13<Sakara>kk
06:14<Eulex>Gathond, yeah, true
06:14<Gathond>I suppose I just ran into one being updated before the other one
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06:14<Eulex>Sakara, it will run until you stop it.
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06:14<Eulex>Sakara, but you should run it for a few hours.
06:15<Sakara>How long should I let it roll before it is likely that my memory is a ok
06:15<Sakara>Is there something that comes up and says your memory is ok?
06:15<Eulex>no.
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06:15<Eulex>there's something that comes up and says that your memory is _not_, though.
06:15<Gathond>Sakara: hours/days
06:15<Gathond>Sakara: at least let it run all the tests once
06:16<Gathond>or until something fails
06:16<Sakara>righto will try
06:16<Eulex>the longer you wait, the less the risk is that memtest86 misses a problem.
06:16<Sakara>any other reasons why a gui will hard crash my machine?
06:16<EmleyMoor>Is there a Debian-oriented HOWTO on automounting a cifs share?
06:16<Eulex>Sakara, driver problems?
06:16<GottesDiener>I hope I find some SVN-helpers here.. I get the Error: svn: Can't get exclusive lock on file '/home/swp/SVN/group4/db/write-lock': No locks available, we didnt creare any locks, help please!
06:16<petemc>Eulex: there isnt really anything debian specific
06:16<petemc>EmleyMoor: ^^
06:17<Sakara>Eulex: I sometimes get the login screen somethimes I don't its a little bit random. Really annoying
06:17<filemon>Hi. I'm using lenny and I want to instal nvidia-glx. Since this package is availible only in sid, I have do mix repositories, without upgrading whole dist. How to do this?
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06:17<Eulex>Sakara, what driver?
06:17<Eulex>!tell filemon about simple sid backport
06:17<EmleyMoor>petemc: OK - is there one that is easy to do, with any scripts that need editing readily downloadble?
06:17<Sakara>I am really not too sure. Using a old tnt2 32mb card I had laying around
06:17<petemc>EmleyMoor: just use fstab
06:18<Sakara>what ever dpkg-reconfigure x says to use ><"
06:18<filemon>Eulex: thanks
06:18<victor>grep: /home/victor/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals: No such file or directory
06:18<victor>what does this mean?
06:18<Gathond>victor: that the file does not exist?
06:18<EmleyMoor>petemc: That makes the mount permanent, though
06:18<victor>do i have to use kde instead of gnome to run xcin?
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06:19<Gathond>no idea what xcin is
06:19<Gathond>but probably not
06:19<Gathond>KDE programs should work in gnome and vice versa
06:19<victor>xcin is a Chinese imputting software.
06:19<petemc>EmleyMoor: i dont understand how automounting applies to a network share
06:20<Gathond>victor: perhaps, try checking their website
06:20<Vanye>Is there any kind of command like Norton Utilities 'si' (System Information( command that'll list the hardware in use?
06:20<petemc>lspci, hwinfo, dmidecode
06:20<victor>I can't open their homepage.
06:20<Gathond>Vanye: lspci
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06:20<EmleyMoor>petemc: It's extremely useful for them, as it happens - it means (a) they do not remain mounted when not actively being used (b) they do not cause problems if the server for them is down
06:20<gsimmons_>!tell Vanye -about what's my hardware
06:21<EmleyMoor>I do it routinely with nfs shares
06:21<Vanye>Thank you.
06:21<petemc>EmleyMoor: the advantage of not being mounted when not used is?
06:21<EmleyMoor>petemc: Less problems should the server go down, primarily
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06:22<petemc>if you say so, i dont know how to automount cifs shares
06:22<Sakara>Eulex: I assume its the nv driver, memtest is running atm so can't confirm.
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06:25<Gathond>Sakara: in my experience the nv driver is far more stable than the nvidia one
06:25<Sakara>yes I don't think it is the problem
06:25<Sakara>normally dpkg-reconfigure X does the trick
06:25<Sakara>but hasn't ><"
06:25<Sakara>not sure where to go now
06:25<Gathond>it does not support openGL hardware acceleration though
06:26<Sakara>Gathond: Don't need it..
06:26<victor>After unpacking 21.9MB of additional disk space will be used.
06:26<victor>Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
06:26<victor>Abort.
06:26<Sakara>Just want it for terminals.... Sick of hitting alt-ctrl-f* all the time
06:27<victor>How come that the downloading is aborted even though I hit y?
06:27<victor> the command is -- apt-get install scim scim-chinese scim-tables-zh
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06:28<victor>I don't understand.
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06:28<MY>hi....
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06:30<victor>Please help me out.
06:30<marc_in_lux>hello
06:30<Nemoder>victor: hitting y should work.. did you remap your keyboard?
06:30<victor>No.
06:31<victor>everything is fine right now when I chat here.
06:31<marc_in_lux>I'd like to move a debian install to another computer - is there a 'procedure' around to guide me? Sort of listing all those things one has to think of
06:31<victor>It makes no sense this should happen.
06:31<marc_in_lux>right now I'm thinking about video drivers, SATA vs PATA drives etc
06:32<Nemoder>victor: you might try aptitude instead of apt-get although it shouldn't make any difference
06:32<victor>you mean aptitude install scim scim-chinese scim-tables-zh?
06:32<Nemoder>yeah
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06:33<victor>wow, it works. thank you!
06:34<victor>but i don't see the reason.
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06:35<victor>can everyone be good at Linux?
06:36<Nemoder>depends on your definition of good ;)
06:36<Nemoder>nobody can know everything
06:36<victor>I love it because it is fast and neat, just a little tough to learn.
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06:37<victor>Nemoder, are you a computer science major?
06:37<Nemoder>it took me 3 months to learn all I needed to switch to it completely
06:37<Nemoder>no
06:37<Nemoder>just a hobby for me
06:37<victor>me neither.
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06:38<dondelelcaro>!aptitude clone
06:38<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine.
06:38<victor>Could you recommand some online resource to me, please?
06:38<dondelelcaro>marc_in_lux: see above
06:39<dondelelcaro>victor: online resources for what?
06:39<EmleyMoor>I followed http://www.howtoforge.com/accessing_windows_or_samba_shares_using_autofs but that just logs a "failed to mount" in syslog
06:39<victor>Debian and Linux
06:39<marc_in_lux>dondelelcaro, it's not only about the packages, as well things like configuration, lvm setup etc
06:39<victor>for beginners.
06:40<Nemoder>victor: http://tldp.org/ has a lot of how-tos for linux in general, beyond that I suggest just using google when you get stuck
06:40<victor>can't open tldp here, don't know why.
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06:40<dondelelcaro>marc_in_lux: it depends on how much of that you want to keep; the lvm stuff isn't trivially cloneable, though you can use fai or preseeding to do it
06:41<dondelelcaro>!clue
06:41<dpkg>a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. http://okkie.frob.nl/clueshop.jpg
06:41<victor>iceweasel says: The server at tldp.org is taking too long to respond.
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06:42<Nemoder>it works for me
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06:42<dondelelcaro>hrm... not finding the factoid I wanted
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06:43<dondelelcaro>!reference
06:43<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'.
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06:43<dondelelcaro>victor: see above
06:43<marc_in_lux>dondelelcaro, question wasn't about cloning but moving. obviously everything that works now should continue to work.
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06:43<marc_in_lux>thanks nonetheless
06:44<dondelelcaro>marc_in_lux: ah; sorry. Moving can have many different connotations, including cloning.
06:44<dondelelcaro>marc_in_lux: but if you're using a Debian kernel, it should
06:44<dondelelcaro>just work
06:45<dondelelcaro>(unless you've chosen a minimal initrd for some reason)
06:46<EmleyMoor>I'd appreciate further clues on cifs and autofs - I've tried the method at howtoforge and it just states that there's no such file or directory, and syslog shows simply "failed to mount" without any reason
06:46<marc_in_lux>i'll give it a try...
06:47<victor>Thank you dondelelcaro.
06:47<victor>I will check it out later.
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06:48<EmleyMoor>I can mount the relevant fs manually
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07:01<ghost>Ciao
07:02<ghost> ce quyalcuno ???
07:02<ghost>*c e qualcuno?
07:02<Ganneff>!it
07:02<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
07:02<wr>good morning
07:02<wr>could someone answer me a simple question please: Is there any logical explanation, why the network-abilities of one (random) vserver is deactivated, as soon as I start more than six vservers at a time?
07:02<ghost>capite l'italiano qui???
07:02<azeem>!it
07:02<dpkg>per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là.
07:02<wr>i've been sitting over this for 9 hours now and I don't know what to do
07:02<ghost>ok grazie andro in quel canale
07:02<ghost>ciao
07:02<ghost>:-)
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07:05<marsu>Hello !!! Do you know of any XDCC server featuring a "@find <filename>" command ?
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07:05<marsu>it seems easy to find one for Windows, but as to finding one for linux.... O_o
07:05<azeem>what's an XDCC server?
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07:06<marsu>a file server on an irc channel
07:06<EmleyMoor>An IRC-based fileserver
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07:06<azeem>marsu: did you check all the xdcc servers in debian?
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07:07<marsu>I checked Iroffer, and it's missing the @find part
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07:10<jsd666>marsu: did u try the Dinoex version?
07:11<marsu>I never heard of it !
07:12<jsd666>I think it had the @find command
07:12<gahan>i
07:12<gahan>hi
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07:12<marsu>jsd666: so it seems ;) THanks !!! I'm gonna try it !
07:12<jsd666>np
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07:13<jsd666>also Dinoex has a Group listing
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07:34<victor>guys, what does this mean: E45: 'readonly' option is set (add ! to override)
07:35<victor>I was trying to edit a file with vi, and when i hit :wq, it beeps and pops out that warning.
07:36<weasel>it means that the file you want to edit is not writeable by you
07:36<weasel>you may get around that by :w!
07:36<weasel>or you may not, in which case you lose.
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07:38<victor>what about write it as root?
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07:40<jsd666>you can do or u can do 'chown ' on you if it isn't a config file which needs to be on root or smthg like the acc it's on
07:40<dli>victor, you should become root firt
07:40<jsd666>but root is better in most cases xD
07:41<victor>I did it. root works.
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07:41<Joris>gdm is broken in sid? any fix?
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07:50<honam>안녕하세요
07:50<kikinovak>Hi. Our public library database server is running Debian Sarge. The default charset is fr_FR@euro, since the library management app won't work correctly with fr_FR.utf-8. Now when I administrate that machine remotely from a desktop defaulting to UTF-8, how can I display french files on the server correctly from within, say, GNOME Terminal?
07:50<honam>hi~~
07:51<Myon>kikinovak: iconv
07:51<Myon>or start an latin1 terminal
07:51<kikinovak>Myon how do I do the latter?
07:51<Myon>should be an option in the menu
07:51<kikinovak>1 sec
07:51<Myon>probably even after login
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07:52<kikinovak>Myon I'm using GNOME-Terminal, and I see no such option in the Prefs.
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07:54<kikinovak>Myon maybe with 'LANG=fr_FR@euro && export LANG' ?
07:54<kikinovak>I admit I'm confused when it gets to encodings and charsets.
07:55<telemachus>Myon: do you have an option in your menu for Terminal -> Set Character Encoding?
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07:55<Myon>not in xterm
07:55<telemachus>ah, k, I'm using Gnome Terminal, not xterm
07:56<kikinovak>hmmm... looks like Gnome Terminal just doesn't support latin1.
07:56<telemachus>kikinovak: try in your Gnome menu - Terminal -> Set Character Encoding -> Add or Remove
07:57<telemachus>(though I am in a later version of Gnome than you - not sure the option is there in 2.14 or whatever Sarge had for Gnome)
07:57<kikinovak>telemachus right now my desktop is CentOS 5.0 with GNOME 2.18. The server is running Debian.
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07:58<telemachus>kikinovak: ah, lol, sorry
07:58<telemachus>kikinovak: in that case, you should be able to add the encoding to the terminal that way
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07:59<kikinovak>telemachus I don't quite figure out what you suggest.
07:59<kikinovak>I have Applications > Accessoires > Terminal.
07:59<telemachus>kikinovak: do you have a Gnome terminal open?
07:59<telemachus>no no
07:59<kikinovak>yeah
07:59<telemachus>kikinovak: open a Gnome Terminal
07:59<telemachus>k
07:59<telemachus>look at the menu on the terminal itself
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07:59<telemachus>do you see File Edit View Terminal...
08:00<telemachus>?
08:00<kikinovak>telemachus bingo
08:00<telemachus>select Terminal there
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08:00<telemachus>then Set Character Encoding
08:00<telemachus>then Add or Remove
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08:00<kikinovak>telemachus you know what? usually I never display the menu bar... and the right click menu doesn't display *all* the options, I just discovered.
08:00<kikinovak>hence
08:00<kikinovak>wait I'll give that a go
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08:01<kikinovak>telemachus heyaaaaa thanks very much! that worked!
08:02<telemachus>kikinovak - cool, glad it helped
08:02<kikinovak>cheers folks! thanks for the advice!
08:02<kikinovak>jesus... encoding issues are what's the most humiliating
08:02<kikinovak>donçt you th£$nk
08:02<kikinovak>:o)
08:03<telemachus>kikinovak - nah, forgetting how to quit vim is the __most__ humiliating
08:03<telemachus>:)
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08:03<kikinovak>telemachus you know :wq... but do you know the other one?
08:03<telemachus>ZZ?
08:03<kikinovak>bingo
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08:03<telemachus>yeah, I'm not having the problem now, lol
08:03<telemachus>I meant it was my most embarrassing *nix moment
08:03<telemachus>from early days
08:04<telemachus>banging away in an editor
08:04<telemachus>quit
08:04<kikinovak>I'm using Vim all the time, so sometimes people ask me "what's that :wq near the end of your last mail"? :o)
08:04<telemachus>please quit
08:04<telemachus>fucking quit.....
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08:04<telemachus>lol
08:04<telemachus>yup, my hands do :wq now automatically even when I am not in Mutt
08:04<telemachus>which is pretty funny
08:05<kikinovak>telemachus some time ago I read a message on news://alt.os.linux.slackware, where a guy said that his Vim editor "crashed, there were ~~~ symbols all over the left side of the screen". I'll try to find that again. Laughed my ass off.
08:06<telemachus>kikinovak - :) yes, I remember wanting to delete all the ~~~ garbage myself at one point
08:06<kikinovak>OK, I'll have to go back to work. Sunday is the only day where I can do server maintenance on our library server, since no one else is working on it.
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08:07<kikinovak>telemachus I have SQL batch files over 200 MB. This is sick.
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08:08<kikinovak>k! work! bye...
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08:10<victor>hi.
08:10<victor>checking for gcc... gcc
08:10<victor>checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
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08:11<victor>This message jumps out when i try to install bitchx, what does it mean?
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08:11<victor>this happens when i type ./configure
08:12<dli>victor, apt-get install bitchx
08:13<telemachus>dli: I was just thinking that...but maybe he's in Lenny: no bitchx right this second in Lenny
08:13<victor>I have already installed Xchat, I just want to know what has happened to my GCC.
08:13<victor>it says C compiler cannot create executables.
08:14<dli>victor, apt-get build-dep bitchx
08:14<dli>victor, I don't know whether you got your instructions, but you should install in debian way
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08:16<victor>dli: http://www.bitchx.com/faq.php
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08:17<dli>victor, no, you should install debian packages whenever possible
08:17<victor>ok.
08:17<victor>what about firefox?
08:17<dli>victor, apt-get install bitchx
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08:18<victor>is there a firefox package?
08:18<ss>um... bitchX...
08:19<ss>bitchx
08:19<dli>victor, apt-get install iceweasel
08:19<ss>bitchx = IRC -_-;
08:20<ss>?
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08:20<victor>so that means i shouldn't install tar balls if possible.
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08:21<victor>dli, how do i uninstall packages?
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08:21<dli>victor, apt-get remove foo
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08:22<dli>victor, man apt-get
08:22<telemachus>victor: you can install tarballs (if you have already installed the build-essential tools package or the like), but it's easier and quicker and cleaner to use apt-get or aptitude
08:22<telemachus>victor: do you even have gcc? on a default debian installation, I don't think that you do
08:22<telemachus>check the output of which gcc
08:22<victor>i installed one.
08:22<victor>how?
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08:23<telemachus>ah, k, how did you install it? (presumably through apt since you had no compiler, lol)
08:23<ashley>Some programs I run lose connection to the X server, however X server does not restart and i stay connected fine.
08:23<ashley>When i run "glxinfo | grep version" it gives me a error of "Unable to open display"
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08:24<victor>gcc_4.1.1-15_i386.deb
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08:24<victor>I installed this with gdebi package installer.
08:24<grafik>Hi everybody! Is there somebody who's familiar with VHCS2?
08:24<dli>!tell grafik about anyone
08:24<jsd666>gdebi? why not dpkg --install
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08:25<dli>victor, n00b users should be using apt-get/aptitude/synaptic, not dpkg
08:25<grafik>well, I'm curios if IsCP Omega can replace well Vhcs2?
08:26<victor>ok, got it.
08:26<grafik>Alexander Kotov, VHCS team leader left VHCS2 project, and it's no more developed
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08:26<jsd666>and if u need the package name, use apt-cache search
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08:27<grafik>so, in the future probably there will be bugs discovered in vhcs2, and I think that a migration to IScP Omega, would solve the problem, but I'm not sure how serious that project is
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08:32<victor>dli, what about apt-get remove bitchx?
08:32<victor>will remove bitchx?
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08:33<jsd666>yes
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08:33<victor>jsd666, are you answering me?
08:33<jsd666>victor: yes
08:33<victor>thanks
08:34<jsd666>and if u wanna remove it fully with all dependecys u use 'apt-get purge <file>'
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08:35<victor>i have removed it, can i still purge it?
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08:35<jsd666>dunno but could be
08:35<jsd666>if there are still dependend files
08:36<victor>E: Invalid operation purge
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08:36<grafik>--purge
08:37<grafik>apt-get --remove --purge <PKG>
08:38<user01>do i have to buy shareware in debian to open rar files?
08:39<gsimmons_>grafik: No idea. Ask in their forums, on the mailing list or in #isp-control on freenode.
08:39<jsd666>apt-get purge <pkg> works for me so I don't need the --remove --purge ^^
08:40<jsd666>user01: apt-get install rar
08:40<jsd666>and then rar e <file>
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08:40<telemachus>jsd666: I think the "purge" command on its own (without the -- flags) is a feature of more recent apt-get versions
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08:40<user01>jsd666, the package description says i have to register it after 40 days
08:41<telemachus>Lenny and Sid rather than Etch or earlier
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08:41<grafik>thanks Gsimmons_ - good idea
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08:41<jsd666>user01: didn't do it for me xD
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08:42<user01>jsd666, rar-2.80 and rar
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08:43<user01>jsd666, both say you have to register after 40 days in package description
08:43<jsd666>telemachus: everyone should 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' once every week xD
08:43<jsd666>didn't read the pkg desc
08:43<jsd666>and I have it since 1 year
08:43<telemachus>jsd666: I'm an aptitude man myself (and on Lenny), but I'm just saying - lots of people are still using Etch
08:43<jsd666>and didn't get any promt to buy
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08:44<jsd666>buy=register
08:44<user01>jsd666, rar-2.80 would be better to install?
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08:45<user01>jsd666, it includes sub compression
08:45<TBBle>unrar doesn't say anything about registering.
08:46<user01>unrar or rar-2.80 so difficult to choose
08:46<jsd666>I'll go to lunch
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09:06<klando>?alsa
09:06<klando>alsa?
09:06<klando>hmm, there is not providing quicklinks ?
09:07<user01>why would you do apt-get upgrade once a week . . . doesnt that change from stable to testing or testing to unstable?
09:07<klando>no, this is dist-upgrade
09:07<klando>use aptitude instead of apt-get
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09:07<victor>I just installed mozilla-firefox-locale-zh-cn, and all my iceweasel menus become Chinese.
09:08<victor>then i uninstalled it.
09:08<user01>klando, i update but i dont upgrade is there a difference?
09:08<victor>but my iceweasel menus are still in Chinese.
09:08<victor>What shall i do?
09:08<klando>user01, yes, check the manual
09:09<victor>I meant to make Iceweasel display Chinese webpages better.
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09:09<victor>Yet it changed my menus.
09:10<BBoyDanny>hello every1 =)
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09:11<horus>hallo ist jemand da ??
09:12<noflash>!de
09:12<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de)
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09:14<jack>hi
09:14<user01>hmmm ran aptitude upgrade and now its uninstalling gnome
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09:17<jack>what dvd i supose to download that i have graphical environment
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09:17<jack>i download firs cd and install it and i have only console
09:17<jack>*terminal
09:18<JasonS>jack: cd 1 will give you x and a wm if you tell it to
09:19<jack>when i switch on the debian he please me to enter the login and password i text mode
09:19<user01>did i do something wrong if it uninstalled gedit when updating, and a whole lot of things dependent on the gnome libraries it replaced?
09:20<jack>and how tel i to give me vm
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09:21<jack>what comand i must write to pass along to graphical eviroment
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09:25<mtnman>jack: apt-get install x-window-system or x-window-system-core
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09:28<jack>ok. and how to login as root, on ubuntu is sudo and what is in debian
09:29<JasonS>jack: same or you can use su
09:29<victor>how can I completely remove No
09:29<victor>NoScript from Iceweasel?
09:29<victor> how can I completely remove NoScript from Iceweasel?
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09:30<jack>unknow id: apt-get
09:30<jack>??
09:30<JasonS>jack: has to be done as root
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09:31<JasonS>jack: open a term, su to root, then do the apt-get commands
09:31<victor>Hello. please help me out. how can I completely remove NoScript from Iceweasel?
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09:31<JasonS>victor: its a plugin iirc, remove it from the plugins
09:32<JasonS>victor: tools/addons
09:32<jack>yeach i install
09:32<victor>I tried.
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09:32<victor>It's a Chinese version.
09:32<victor>I want to get a English version.
09:33<victor>I need to remove it completely.
09:33<graytron>victor: rm ~/.mozilla/firefox/extensions/\{73a6fe31-595d-460b-a920-fcc0f8843232\} , maybe
09:33<JasonS>victor: and tool/options doesnt remove it?
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09:34<victor>rm: cannot remove `/home/victor/.mozilla/firefox/extensions/{73a6fe31-595d-460b-a920-fcc0f8843232}': No such file or directory
09:34<victor>tool/add-on does uninstall it.
09:34<JasonS>so then whats the problem
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09:35<victor>but when I install again, it's still Chinese.
09:35<JasonS>victor: then pick the correct version
09:35<JasonS>victor: where are you getting it from?
09:36<victor>mozilla.org
09:36<victor>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722
09:38<mtnman>you will not be getting ice-weasle from mozilla.org
09:38<graytron>victor: works good for me
09:38<JasonS>nope but the plugin should be ok, victor what are you locales?
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09:38<JasonS>wonder if i spelled that correctly
09:39<victor>zh-cn, I think.
09:39<JasonS>and theres why
09:39<Ikarus>I wonder if any hardware vendor is selling trusted computing hardware where the only key holder is the buyer, so you can safely host company critical data in a common data center without any realistic chance of the data being recovered by a third party
09:39<victor>so what shall I do?
09:40<victor>I have set it to be the default locale.
09:40<mtnman>victor: where did you say you got ice-weasel from? i don't think i understood you correctly.
09:41<victor>according to the instruction from another Debian user.
09:41<JasonS>mtnman: iceweasel is fine its thier locale thats the problem
09:41<victor>because i need to imput Chinese from time to time
09:41<mtnman>JasonS: i want to establish that he doesn't have iceweasel and firefox both installed.
09:41<victor>Iceweal is from Debian.
09:41<JasonS>victor: you'll have to change your locale to english, whatever that command is for the plugin to be in english i bet
09:42<JasonS>mtnman: ahh
09:42<mtnman>dpkg-reconfigure locales
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09:43<mtnman>victor: it may be useful for you to create a second user on your system, who's locale is set to english...
09:43<JasonS>must get more coffee
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09:44<victor>mtnman, I think that will be good.
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09:46<victor>so do you think if I install the English version NoScript as another user, it will also work when i log in as the first user?
09:46<mtnman>victor no
09:47<victor>Then it's really not very helpful.
09:47<victor>what about change the language for one session, and do the installing?
09:47<JasonS>victor: which do you use more? english or chinese?
09:48<victor>English.
09:48<mtnman>victor: i think setting up two user accounts is a good option.
09:48<JasonS>victor: so you have two options, mtnmans second user account, or bounce back and forth with your locales
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09:49<victor> what about change the language for one session, and do the installing?
09:49<victor>then log in with English.
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09:50<manphiz>victor: it's not required to have a Chinese environment to input Chinese. Any UTF-8 locale will do.
09:50<victor>Really?
09:50<victor>that's good.
09:50<victor>I'll try.
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09:52<manphiz>victor: which input method are you using?
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09:52<pabloq>hello
09:52<pabloq>i have a question regarding deb etch on a laptop
09:52<victor>scim
09:52<victor>manphiz: scim
09:52<pabloq>hm?
09:53<gsimmons_>pabloq: Just go ahead and ask your question.
09:53<blarson>!tell pabloq about ask
09:53<manphiz>victor: so there should be not other requirement. just use a UTF-8 one, e.g. en_US.UTF-8
09:54<pabloq>gsimmons_: i already posted it on a forum, so maybe i should just drop the link
09:54<pabloq>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=21424
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09:54<pabloq>but it's about debian etch not detecting my hard drive when booting for the first time
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09:54<victor>see.
09:54<pabloq>althought it worked through the installation process
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09:55<simm> any idea how to connect to mysql from prl using a crypted password? (right now I have plain text in the .pl file but don't really like that)
09:55<simm>s/prl/perl
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09:57<pabloq>i'd rather not go through the installation all over again
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09:57<pabloq>just seems so pointless when i know it's all there
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10:00<pabloq>boring problem eh?
10:00<pabloq>oh well
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10:03<gsimmons_>pabloq: No private messages, please.
10:03<gsimmons_>pabloq: I'm assuming your description of "hda3 hda4 hda5 hda6" (for the logical partitions) should actually read "hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8".
10:03<pabloq>yes
10:03<pabloq>i corrected that further down the page as you will see
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10:08<jack>if i download first dvd of debian did i have gnome??
10:08<WildKid>Hi. I'm having a problem installing Debain 4r1 via netboot.....no hard drives found.
10:08<pabloq>what kind of computer do you have, wildkid?
10:09<WildKid>A P4 Williamete 1.8Ghz
10:09<jack>ot once
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10:09<jack>*at once
10:09<pabloq>that doesn't say me much
10:09<WildKid>When it displays "please select partition", it allows me to select three blank items
10:09<pabloq>laptop? desktop? what kind of hard drives do you have?
10:09<JasonS>jack: yes, but we all ready covered this
10:10<pabloq>what happens when you select them?
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10:11<WildKid>Hsrd drive: Maxtor 6E030L0
10:11<JasonS>jack: what happened when you ran those commands that mtnman said
10:11<WildKid>Desktop
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10:12<WildKid>However, that silly fat32 partition masquarding as an "EISA Partiton" is still there....
10:13<pabloq>does it span your entire hard drive?
10:13<WildKid>Yjr only thing that partition contains is the Dell Diagnostics utility....ya know, the newer win95-esque looking one.
10:13<WildKid>No, It does no.
10:14<pabloq>hm
10:14<WildKid>Are pcifixups necessary?\
10:14<jack>no i don't know cuz i have now debian in virtual machine i and i have internet
10:15<jack>but i don't know what happend if i dont have the net on debian
10:15<WildKid>Does the installer allow you to start a shell instead of the install script?
10:15<pabloq>gsimmons_: do you have any suggestions? or should i just try to install it over
10:16<gsimmons_>pabloq: Try booting with 'root=/dev/hda5 ro pci=nomsi'. Failing that, 'root=/dev/hda5 ro pci=nomsi acpi=force irqpoll'.
10:16<WildKid>Is there a nicier way to get a sherll other than using
10:17<WildKid>'init=/bin/sh' ehrn indysllinh?
10:17<WildKid>should be 'when installing'
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10:20<pabloq>gsimmons_: it tells me that there is something wrong with the xfs file systems
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10:22<pabloq>maybe i should just install it over
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10:22<gsimmons_>pabloq: Alternatively, attempt to fix the errors. A rescue/live CD can assist with this.
10:22<hiro>Why is the screen not cleared when i exit as root, whereas it is cleared when a normal user exits?
10:23<pabloq>more specifically it tells me that it "could not stat the resume device file. please type in the file name to try again"
10:23<hiro>(testing or so...)
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10:23<pabloq>then i pressed enter, which allowed me to boot anyway
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10:24<adherent>adherent
10:24<pabloq>then it tells me "the superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem."
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10:25<pabloq>gsimmons_: apparently what it does is consistently mixing hda with sda
10:25<pabloq>how could i go about correcting that
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10:25<pabloq>it tries to boot sda1
10:26<pabloq>but there's nothing there
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10:35<victor>scim cannot imput Chinese under us utf-8.
10:35<victor>why?
10:35<victor>I have tried
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10:36<victor>Please help me.
10:36<victor>scim cannot imput Chinese under us utf-8 locale
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10:39<victor> Please help me.scim cannot imput Chinese under us utf-8 locale
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10:40<victor> Please help me. scim cannot imput Chinese under us utf-8 locale.
10:40<hiro>tell them a few more times
10:40<Myon>victor: please don't repeat questions
10:40<Eulex>you need to define 'cannot'
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10:41<hiro>you see, you wouldn't have answered if he hadn't repeated^^
10:41<WildKid>Does the debian initrd include the ata_piix
10:41<WildKid>Does the debian initrd include the ata_piix driver?
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10:42<Eulex>WildKid, yes, or otherwise my old laptop wouldn't have booted, and otherwise debian wouldn't have booted in qemu.
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10:42<hiro>this channel sucks, lol
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10:43<WildKid>1111111111Yes, but when I use the latest boot images, I don't see ata_piix in the modules list
10:43<WildKid>nor is on the initrd...
10:43<victor>Eulex: it has a icon on the panel, but nothing happen when I hit ctrl+space.
10:43<Eulex>WildKid, latest as in which one?
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10:43<Eulex>victor, is it setup so 'something will happen' when you press ctrl-space?
10:44<victor>yeah.
10:44<Eulex>are you sure?
10:44<victor>it is supposed to be triggered.
10:44<victor>yeah.
10:44<victor>sure.
10:45<WildKid>http://people.debian.org/~joey/h/f-i/images/daily/netboot/debian-installer/i386
10:45<Eulex>WildKid, why daily?
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10:46<Eulex>victor, did you try in more than 1 application?
10:46<victor>no.
10:46<victor>i tried firefox.
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10:47<Eulex>then do so. iceweasel might be catching ctrl-space.
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10:49<victor>it doesn't work in openoffice writer either.
10:50<Eulex>did you set it up correctly? (ie, _double_-check)
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10:51<Eulex>victor, does ctrl-space do anything at all?
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10:51<victor>no.
10:54<victor>The activation of SCIM is default only for Chinese, Japanese and Korean (CJK)
10:54<victor>enviroment. Above command set up SCIM only for one locale.
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10:56<ufik>хмм после перезагрузки стал рабочий стол чёрным
10:56<Myon>!ru
10:56<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
10:56<ufik>и пропали ярлыки.. из-за чего это может быть ?
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10:56<ufik>sry!
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10:58<jsd666>does anyone know if there is a apache channel on IRC?
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10:59<Eulex>I think there is one on freenode
10:59<Myon>/help list, /msg chanserv help list
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11:03<bebe>hi all
11:03<faheem>Anyone got suggestions for documentation for automated builds of Debian packages (home-brew version)?
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11:41<pudio>hola
11:41<pudio>me puede alguie decir si se me ve?
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11:43<pudio>donde puedo ver las FAQ
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11:44<Infinito>!es
11:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:45<pudio>HELP IDENTIFY
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11:45<Infinito>pudio, cat it be in english ?
11:46<rupf>the changelog entry http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.0.3-0.3/changelog#versionversion3.7.2-3 is missing a link to the corresponding source diff. how difficult is it to obtain such a diff?
11:46<Infinito>finding debian faq is easy, just google it
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11:47<Infinito> "/join " no apenas "join"
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11:48<Greg>Hi, can anybody tell me on which debian server I could find DAR and SARAB to apt-get install those programs or how to deb-package dar-2.3.6 and sarab-0.2.2 myself?
11:49<mtnman>rupf: i suggest filing a bug report against the package. you will hear from the maintainer shortly afterwords.
11:49<mtnman>Greg: have you tried a web search yet?
11:49<Greg>yeah, did
11:49<Greg>two days long
11:49<mtnman>hard to believe
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11:50<mtnman>greg: i have no idea what those packages are, but you could try apt-cache search sarab, for example
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11:51<Greg>I read lots of pages about debian packaging, but still I have no idea howto. I tried the apt-cache, nothing found...
11:51<lupine>what on earth are they?
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11:51<Greg>@lupine are my progs?
11:51<lupine>yeah
11:51<mtnman>greg: iirc, there is a deb packaging howto
11:52<lupine>debian new maintainers guide. It's a bit impenetrable though
11:52<Greg>http://dar.sourceforge.net/ and http://sarab.sourceforge.net/
11:53<Greg>I read lots of desription and howtos, still cant make it happen....
11:53<lupine>!checkinstall
11:53<dpkg>somebody said checkinstall was a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724
11:54<Greg>I am using Etch...
11:54<JR-newbie>/etc/init.d/icecast2 start
11:54<JR-newbie> icecast2 daemon disabled - read /etc/default/icecast2
11:54<JR-newbie>any person help me.???
11:55<lupine>JR-newbie: cat /etc/default/icecast2
11:55<lupine>follow the instructions
11:56<rupf>mntman: that's good advice. thank you.
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11:57<oscar>ola
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12:02<vonnis>hi
12:04<Greg>@lupine: sounds really good, I got along that far, but at the ./configure i et an error: Cannot find size_t type
12:04<Greg>you got an idea?
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12:07<user01>is there like a debian package for a spanish-english dictionary?
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12:08<user01>not online?
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12:09<vonnis>what does debian uses rpm or tar.gz?
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12:09<user01>vonnis, it uses deb
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12:10<user01>vonnis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_(file_format)
12:10<vonnis>ow i want to download flashplayer but i can only download tar.gz and rpm
12:11<Greg>apt-cache search flashplayer
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12:11<user01>vonnis, http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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12:15<lupine>Greg: get a sane build environment
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12:17<vonnis>cant is use tar.gz? i need a driver from madwifi too
12:18<gsimmons_>!tell vonnis -about madwifi
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12:20<vonnis>how do i become root in the konsole
12:21<Greg>su
12:21<Greg>@ vonnis: su
12:21<invite>hi !
12:21<vonnis>thx
12:22<invite>I have some problem with a dell m1330
12:22<invite>and his dvd reader
12:23<invite>I cannot read dvd video
12:23<invite>i/o error each time
12:23<invite>even I just want to copy vob files
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12:25<victor>I would like to reinstall Debian, is it possible to do it over the net without a cd?
12:26<mtnman>victor: there is a method to do so, it is detailed in the installation manual.
12:26<mtnman>victor: it is a bit more complicated than a cd (or floppy) install, however.
12:26<vonnis>the konsole doesnt recognize module-assistant it says cant find pakket
12:27<invite>nobody experienced same troubles ?
12:29<gsimmons_>vonnis: You'll need to install the 'module-assistant' package if you haven't already done so.
12:29<victor>or is it possible to reinstall from hardisk?
12:29<mtnman>victor: i suggest you read the install manual.
12:30<mtnman>!tell victor about install
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12:30<vonnis>how?
12:31<vonnis>i cant find it in the package manager
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12:34<vonnis>how do i download module-assistant
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12:35<chealer>vonnis: which Debian suite do you use?
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12:37<Eulex>vonnis, you apt-get it.
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12:38<mtnman>vonnis: apt-get update; apt-get install module-assistant
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12:42<victor>mtnman: how do I know whether my usb disk is pre-configured with a fat16 partition?
12:43<victor>I figure I can reinstall from my usd disk.
12:43<victor>usb stick.
12:43<victor>I already have got a full cd image there.
12:45<dli>victor, read the debian installation manual
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12:45<victor>I am reading.
12:46<bartm>victor: quite an accomplishment :)
12:46<victor>just need some extra help.
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12:49<eibwen>`apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.14-2-386` gets to the purging step and then seems to stop for several minutes until finally the post-removal script returns 255. I've tried setting SHELL='/bin/bash -v -x' but that didn't show anything on the console. How can I figure out the problem, or better yet _really_ purge this package?
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12:51<victor>dli: could you please tell me how can i get the information about my usb stick such as the partition type and the correct device name?
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12:51<victor>the manual just tells me to do the right thing,
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12:51<victor>I have to figure out what the right thing si.
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12:52<victor>is.
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12:52<dli>victor, you can follow either the short way or the step by step
12:53<victor>I am following the step by step way.
12:53<victor>just need to specify.
12:54<victor>as the manual tells me.
12:54<victor>please help.
12:54<dli>!tell victor about ask
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12:57<victor>I have problem knowing the partition type and the device name of my usb stick.
12:57<victor>could you help?
12:58<victor>please.
12:58<dli>victor, fdisk -l
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12:59<victor>dli:bash: fdisk: command not found
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13:00<Eulex>victor, run it as root.
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13:00<noflash>victor, this stuff does come with documentation try debian.org the installation manual and the reference
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13:09<zulu>hi, in my xemacs compilation buffer, `:' char is printed `\230', how do I make xemacs understand the `:' char?
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13:10<vonnis>i get an error when i do ap-get install module-assistant it says unable to lock the administation directory
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13:14<Golfgeo>Hi all
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13:14<Greesmunkee>vonnis: are you doing it as root?
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13:15<vonnis>yes
13:15<Golfgeo>Question: What is the absolute minimal install size of Debian Testing when deselecting all options of tasksel during install. Context: Need to reinstall an old Pentium Classic machine with only a 425 MB disk...
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13:16<Greesmunkee>vonnis: sounds like dselect is running on another console...
13:16<bartm>Golfgeo: have you tried?
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13:17<Golfgeo>bartm, not yet, the machine is flaky but still running an older install so I'll only do it if it will fit...
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13:18<bartm>Golfgeo: first step is making backups :)
13:19<Golfgeo>bartm I know, but remember that installing a new OS on a Pentium Classic @ 75 mHrtz will take forever, so I need to know if it will fit...
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13:20<vonnis>i hate this i just need madwifi why al this bullshit?
13:20<Golfgeo>bartm, with the size I can make a simple dd of the entire disk to a backup though...
13:21<Greesmunkee>vonnis: ps ax|grep dselect
13:21<Greesmunkee>vonnis: or ps ax|grep apt-get
13:22<vonnis>what is that a l L ! or | after the x ?
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13:22<Greesmunkee>vonnis: it's a pipe. Cut and paste if you can't find it on the keyboard
13:23|-|mode/#debian [+l 308] by debhelper
13:23<Greesmunkee>vonnis: on my kboard its the Shift+backslash
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13:24<vonnis>ok now i get this 3691 pts/2 S+ 0:00 grep apt-get
13:24<Greesmunkee>vonnis: now try the other with dselect
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13:26<vonnis>now i get this 3699 pts/2 S+ 0:00 grep dselect
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13:26<munky>I need some help
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13:27<munky>i installed innotek virtualbox
13:27<munky>when i go to start the virtual machine it gives me VBox status code: -1908 (VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED).
13:28<Greesmunkee>vonnis: Try here: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/pkgadm.htm
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13:28<Greesmunkee>munky: as root do "modprobe vboxdrv" Your user will also need to be a member of vboxusers
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13:29<munky>ok
13:29<munky>how do i do that
13:30<vonnis>im getting sick of this all i just want madwifi isnt there another way to do it
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13:31<Greesmunkee>munky: login as root and run the command above. Otherwise look on virtualbox.org
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13:32<Greesmunkee>vonnis: If there are 2 instances running then only one will be allowed. Kill the other instance of apt-get, dselect, synaptic or aptitude and try again
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13:35<Greesmunkee>vonnis: There is another way. You could always compile from source...but for this you will need to install extra software. Catch 22?
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13:44<vonnis>i just restarded my computer now if i do apt-get update and then apt-get install module-assistant it say cant find package
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13:44<vonnis>i only need to install mad-wifi
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13:45<vonnis>can anyone help me whit that
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13:46<invite>vonnis, whick kernel version ?
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13:46<invite>perhaps your madwifi modules are already in the kernel tree
13:46<invite>if not, just : "m-a a-i madwifi"
13:47<vonnis>amd64 4 r1 etch stable or something im not sure it is amd64
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13:48<vonnis>it says m-a command not found
13:48<Greg>i just installed DAR, how can I start it?
13:49<Greg>oh, forget, found the answer
13:49<HaMMiE>vonnis: install module-assistant
13:49<HaMMiE>package
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13:50<vonnis>i treyed but it says cant find package
13:52<vonnis>noone can help me?? shit im fucked
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13:53<vonnis>im fucked
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13:54<vonnis>i only need madwifi why cant i just download madwifi.tar.gz?
13:54<invite>hum...
13:54<invite>apt-get update ?
13:54<invite>cat /etc/apt/sources.list
13:56<vonnis>it says unknown file or directory
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13:57<HaMMiE>hey
13:57<HaMMiE>what's the command to configure the console fonts and the console map keyboard??
13:57<vonnis>im gonna cry
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13:57<vonnis>i just need that fucking madwifi
13:58<vonnis>why cant i use the tar.gz file
13:58<vonnis>nothing works here i get errors and errors and errors
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13:59<vonnis>why cant anyone help me
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14:02<bartm>vonnis: apt-cache search madwifi
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14:08<SVeN-N>est kto givoj ??
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14:12<nome>is there a way to change the default Java VM to "sun java6"? because gij is too slow to run eclipse.
14:12<klando>I have the following error: http://paste.debian.net/42829 on running : speaker-test -c2 -Dplug:front -twav
14:12<klando>ideas are welcome
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14:16<cahoot>you have 3 soundcards?
14:17<cahoot>err -disregard
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14:18<bartm>nome: update-alternatives
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14:18<vonnis>dpkg
14:18<vonnis>how can i ask dpkg?
14:19<bartm>vonnis: man dpkg
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14:19<vonnis>man dpkg
14:19<vonnis>doesnt work
14:19<vonnis>msg dpkg
14:19<Eulex>vonnis, /msg
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14:20<nome>bartm, I have tried. but eclipse still use gij, I have to run like this " /usr/bin/eclipse -vm /usr/bin/java " to prevent.
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14:24<klando>cahoot, no, only one, it is a laptop. But if I plug an usb headphone, it works nicely
14:25<klando>so it is only that $#*$% snd-hda-intel, but it was working lony few days ago
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14:29<phoenix>Where is the kernel source files fordebian located?
14:29<phoenix>Nvidia installer can't find them to install the drivers :(
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14:30<Silenus>hi
14:30<vonnis>i extracted a tar.gz file how can i use it
14:30<phoenix>hey
14:30<Silenus>What did you extract it to
14:30<phoenix>tar -xvf?
14:31<Silenus>He already extracted he said
14:31<vonnis>tar -zxvf
14:31<vonnis>how do i make it compile it
14:31<Silenus>make
14:31<vonnis>how? im a noob
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14:31<Silenus>that's the command
14:32<cahoot>klando: on my variant of hda-intel (and alsa 1.0.15) it runs just fine for some reason
14:32<vonnis>make nothing else
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14:32<Silenus>make yeah
14:32<phoenix>Where is the kernel source path?
14:32<Silenus>it depends on the tar though
14:32<Silenus>./configure might be the other. Depends on config.
14:33<vonnis>its dutch but i get this error make: *** Geen doelen opgegeven en geen makefile gevonden. Gestopt.
14:33<vonnis>how do i know
14:33<klando>cahoot, "asoundconf list" give you results ?
14:33<Ikarus>No targets specified and no make file found
14:33<Ikarus>vonnis: and disable Dutch if you expect any support
14:33<vonnis>how?
14:34<vonnis>do i change the language
14:34<cahoot>klando: nothing - empty - nil
14:34<EmleyMoor>Or make it print the errors twice then you'll know it's double Dutch <g>
14:34<cahoot>klando: do you use asoundconf?
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14:35<vonnis>it says what ikarus sayed no targets specified and no make file found
14:35<phoenix>blah. Looks like I will have to recompile kernel in order to install NVIDIA drivers
14:36<phoenix>Is it hard to install the kernel?
14:36<vonnis>so make doesnt work
14:36<Silenus>No it really isn't that hard.
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14:36<klando>klando, humm I tryed, well ..;I am every time lost with the different options for alsa (asoundconf, .asound etc...)
14:37<vonnis>i think i have to typ make and then the filename
14:37<phoenix>can you pointme in the right direction Silenus?
14:37<klando>cahoot,
14:37<cahoot>klando: would you try one thing - change !defaults.pcm etc to !default.pcm..
14:38<cahoot>in .asoundrc.asoundconf
14:38<klando>atm I have no conf file at all, nothing created by dpkg
14:38<cahoot>ok
14:38<phoenix>is linux-2.6.23.tar.gz the latest linux kernel?
14:39<Silenus>no
14:39<Silenus>6.28
14:39<Silenus>I think
14:39<cahoot>wow
14:39<Silenus> Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22-2-686
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14:39<dli>phoenix, www.kernel.org
14:39<Silenus>Is what I have
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14:39<phoenix>sweet, thank you dli!
14:40<Silenus>ah I read that wrong, my fault, thank you for the correction dli.
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14:42<phoenix>man, this is like Gentoo!
14:42<phoenix>Sweet!
14:42<vonnis>so how can i compile it
14:43<Silenus>http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/
14:45<HaMMiE>vonnis: generally compile it's easy if you have all the headers required to compile
14:45<HaMMiE>vonnis: ./configure ; make ; make install
14:46<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to get autofs to handle a cifs share - tried the method on howtoforge and it fails to find the share - it can however be mounted manually
14:46<HaMMiE>as root :) if you can :)
14:46<phoenix>What is the difference between 'make-kpkg clean' and 'make && make modules' ?
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14:47<Silenus>They are two different commands
14:47<Silenus>make creates the modules.
14:47<EmleyMoor>Those particular two are not the same in any way
14:47<EmleyMoor>make-kpkg is the Debian kernel builder - it makes a .deb of any final result
14:48<phoenix>ah, okay
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14:48[~]phoenix looks at the cool scrolling lines of compiling code
14:48<Silenus>ha
14:48<Silenus>A lot of people like that
14:48<ToNiK>Êòî íèòü ãîâîðèò ïî ðóññêè òóò? ))
14:49<phoenix>yeah, so.... CALMING
14:49<phoenix>like, I mean, so peacuful
14:49<phoenix>just lines of code scrolling by
14:49<phoenix>like water drops in a waterfall
14:49<phoenix>like leaves falling down from a tree
14:49<cahoot>direction reversed?
14:49<ToNiK>=))
14:50[~]phoenix sighs
14:50<vonnis>can anyone help me i want to install madwifi http://rafb.net/p/ARQstW64.html please i spent hours on this
14:50<phoenix>I guess I am too much of a romantic geek
14:51<ToNiK>Àõòóíã ðåáÿòà )
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14:51<vonnis>plz
14:52<vonnis>hello?
14:52<cahoot>vonnis: sorry but doesn't m-a handle that module?
14:52<vonnis>im a noob
14:53<jsd666> ./configure
14:53<jsd666>make install
14:53<jsd666>??
14:53<phoenix>what is a cooler version of HTOP?
14:53<phoenix>like, a GUI version of htop?
14:53<cahoot>vonnis: that's even a better reason to use m-a
14:53<vonnis>i dont know how?
14:54<vonnis>how
14:54<vonnis>i dont know anything the only thing i know is that i have a tar.gz file and that it is a driver for my wifi card
14:54<vonnis>and that i need it
14:54<cahoot>vonnis: simplest would be to su to root and start m-a in a terminal
14:55<vonnis>how
14:55<cahoot>vonnis: do you run debian?
14:55<vonnis>yes debian amd64 4 r1
14:56<cahoot>vonnis: open a terminal
14:56<vonnis>i already have the shell konsole open
14:56<vonnis>i am root
14:56<cahoot>vonnis: run m-a prepare
14:57<cahoot>verbatim
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14:57<vonnis>it says m-a command not found
14:57<cahoot>aptitude install module-assistant
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14:59<vonnis>it says no package found whit that name
14:59<dli>!tell vonnis about m-a
14:59<cahoot>so you don't have any valid deb sources defined?
14:59<vin`>from his paste only the CD source
14:59<cahoot>figures
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15:00<cahoot>does apt-spy create a valid souces.list?
15:00<vonnis>ohhh jezus im getting sick and tyred here
15:01<vonnis>why does everything i typ gives an error
15:01<dli>vonnis, if you have only wireless to install via, getting connected could be a catch 22 from debian official cd
15:01<vonnis>what is via and what do you mean whit catch 22? (im dutch)
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15:02<cahoot>don't you have a working net connection atm?
15:02<vonnis>plz im spend hours here already
15:02<vonnis>i just want my wireless card working
15:02<vonnis>plz
15:03<cahoot>don't you have a working net connection atm - like a cable?
15:03<dli>vonnis, do you have a working wired (cable) connection?
15:03<vonnis>yes but i need my wireless card it is a laptop
15:03<dli>vonnis, yes, use your cable to get the wireless driver up
15:03<EmleyMoor>vonnis: Yes, but you need a connection to get what you need
15:04<vonnis>i have
15:04<vonnis>im on my laptop right now
15:04<vonnis>sooo
15:04<EmleyMoor>OK - you need to get apt sources defined that will allow you to get more stuff
15:04<vonnis>how
15:05<vonnis>how
15:06<cahoot>don't you have a working net connection atm - like a cable on the laptop?
15:06<EmleyMoor>cahoot: He has implied very strongly that he has
15:06<EmleyMoor>(he's using it right now!)
15:06<cahoot>sorry
15:06<vonnis>i already sayed im on my laptop
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15:07<cahoot>so does apt-spy create a valid sources.list?
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15:07<cahoot>or isn't that available without one already?
15:07<vonnis>i dont know im a noob, if i typ that in the konsole it says command not found
15:08<phoenix>what do I do with a Debian binary package?
15:08<cahoot>vonnis: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html
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15:10<phoenix>how do I install the .deb file?
15:10<vonnis>okey im gonna kill myself
15:10<dli>somebody should write a basic apt-setup for etch :(
15:10<vonnis>i only need that fucking madwifi why is every one making it so hard for me
15:10<bartm>vonnis: there are more constructive approaches :)
15:10<vonnis>please tell me
15:10<EmleyMoor>You are BEING told
15:10<vonnis>i dont want to read 10 pages long articles
15:10<bartm>vonnis: patience and reading worked for me
15:11<dli>!madwifi-install
15:11<dpkg>i guess madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
15:11<phoenix>!deb
15:11<dpkg>hmm... deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages
15:12<EmleyMoor>phoenix: dpkg -i filename
15:12<vonnis>why doesnt m-a work for me>
15:12<vonnis>?
15:12<EmleyMoor>vonnis: Because you appear not to have it
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15:12<phoenix>sweet, thank you EmleyMoor!
15:13<dli>vonnis, you need non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list
15:13<vonnis>what is it what i dont have?
15:13<dli>!non-free
15:13<dpkg>rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
15:13<phoenix>oh my
15:13<phoenix>Opera does not work for 64bit systems?! :(
15:14<dli>phoenix, it should, but opera is not in debian, I think
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15:14<abrotman>maybe with ia32libs
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15:15<george>I'm a little confused... I'm trying to find the package flashplugin-nonfree which is installed on one etch machine but the other etch machine (which has marillat, non-free and contrib sources, and yes, I did an update) says: Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
15:16<bartm>george: this should work : http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
15:17<vonnis>so how can i download module assistant?
15:17<bartm>vonnis: see above, what dpkg said
15:17<george>ohh, it's in stable-proposed-updates
15:17<george>thanks
15:17<abrotman>george: been removed ... didn't work anymore .. check backports.org
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15:17<bartm>george: you're welcome :)
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15:18<george>abrotman: ok...
15:19<george>so then what is the version of the removed one? is it the same as the one in stable-proposed-updatesa
15:19<george>?
15:19<phoenix>omg
15:19<phoenix>Wish me luck everyone
15:19<phoenix>my new kernel just finished compiling
15:20[~]phoenix crosses all fingers
15:20<abrotman>george: roughly http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433365 .. but there were others related to it
15:20<bartm>george: forget 9.0.31.0.1, use 9.0.48.0.1etch1 or 9.0.48.0.2~bpo.1
15:20<george>hey!! stop crossing my fingers!
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15:20<vonnis>if i do edit /etc/apt/sources.list i get this error Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*"
15:20<vonnis>Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
15:20<vonnis>even now i get on error
15:21<vonnis>i hat it
15:21<bartm>vonnis: which editor are you using?
15:21<vonnis>the konsole
15:21[~]george hands vonnis a hat
15:21<bartm>vonnis: is konsole an editor?
15:21<vonnis>i already sayed im a noob
15:21<vonnis>pkg didnt say anything about an editor
15:21<vonnis>dpkg
15:22<george>vonnis; don't worry, you'll get used to this
15:22<bartm>vonnis: no offence, but I think that the time spent here would have better been spent reading (really)
15:22<vonnis>how do i start an editor
15:23<george>one way, type its name at a shell prompt
15:23<bartm>vonnis: type nano
15:23<bartm>vonnis: or gedit
15:24<EmleyMoor>... or vi (but I don't recomment that to n00bz)
15:24<EmleyMoor>recommend*
15:25<george>bartm: thanks, the versions will be very helpful
15:28<vonnis>if i do edit /apt/etc/sources.list in nanon it doesnt do anything
15:28<cahoot>vonnis: you want /etc/apt/sources.list
15:28<vonnis>you see i only get errors
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15:29<cahoot>vonnis: but foremost I really think you should take your time and do some basic reading on linux
15:30<vonnis>i did i typed it wrong here
15:30<bartm>vonnis: cahoot is a smart person with good advice :)
15:30<vonnis>jesus why i just need to install a file why do i have to read a book for it
15:31<george>vonnis: I tend to agree with cahoot here... for one, you won't see what linux even is until you do
15:31<vonnis>i just need to do a simple thing
15:31<bartm>vonnis: enjoy making small steps, and you'll be running before you know it
15:31<vonnis>jesus why
15:31<vonnis>yeeah right
15:32<cahoot>jesus is only faintly interested in linux
15:32<george>you don't necessarily need to read a book to install a file, but if you're going to enjoy linux over the next ten years, you might consider finding out what it's all about
15:32<vonnis>i learn by trying not by reading books i already learned that that doesnt work for me not every person is the same
15:33<vonnis>ye i will do but i only wanted to install a file this night
15:33<vonnis>do i ask to much
15:33<miksuh>I have not followed this discussion
15:33<miksuh>what exactlyn are you trying to do?
15:33<vonnis>i just want madwifi thats the only thing i ask madwifi
15:33<miksuh>-n
15:33<vonnis>plz
15:33<george>I only followed half... so... :)
15:34<bartm>I'm trying hard not to follow :)
15:34<vonnis>i want madwifi but i need m-a but its not insatlled on my computer
15:34<miksuh>vonnis: you need to activate contrib and non-free repositories
15:35<george>oh, ok, now I understand better
15:35<george>here's your situation:
15:35<miksuh>vonnis: # -get install module-assistant
15:35<miksuh>vonnis: # aptt install module-assistant
15:35<george>you're running a particular linux kernel that doesn't have the "kernel module" for madwifi
15:35<miksuh>argh
15:35<vonnis>i know but if i type edit /etc/apt/sources.list in nano it doesn do anything
15:35<miksuh>vonnis: # apt-get install module-assistant
15:35<george>you understand so far?
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15:36<miksuh>vonnis: debian is not windows :)
15:36<george>(I have things to do... paying attention now would be a good thing)
15:36<miksuh>don't use edit, use nano or gedit
15:37<miksuh>edit-command is not text editor
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15:37<george>ok, not responsive...
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15:37<george>it's COFFEE TIME!
15:37<vonnis>im in nano right now
15:37<george>bye now :) have fun :)
15:38<miksuh>write this to command line
15:38<miksuh># nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:38<vonnis>whit the # ?
15:38<miksuh>orcourse not
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15:38<EmleyMoor>vonnis: That means "do this as root"
15:39<coppolino>ciao a tutti
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15:41<vonnis>now i get this in nano http://nopaste.org/p/aZkUFmIS5
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15:41<solanaceo>hello folks.
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15:42<solanaceo>does anyony knows of an applications that keeps track of user conection time?
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15:42<solanaceo>so i can have a database of total user time connection weekly, monthly, whatever...
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15:42<miksuh>vonnis: there should not be anything like that in the /etc/apt/sources.list
15:42<Silenus>I thought on nevermind user would
15:42<Silenus>if the system is up
15:42<Silenus>or finger <username>
15:43<vonnis>okey its really in there
15:43<miksuh>I'll msg my /etc/apt/sources.list to you. You can use something similar
15:43<fezafeza>hello world
15:43<Silenus>print >> "hello world'
15:43<EmleyMoor>Ah, you have a reference to a CD-ROM
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15:44<cahoot>!sources.list
15:44<dpkg>Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
15:44<EmleyMoor>(that URL was to a paste of what he sees in nano)
15:44<Silenus>Well this would work the same for him but change lenny or unstable to etch
15:45<Silenus>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
15:45<Silenus>deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
15:45<Silenus>deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib
15:45<Silenus>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib
15:45<Silenus>deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/deb4gilir/avant-window-navigator/ unstable main
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15:47<miksuh>There has been lot's people asking about how to use sources.list lately :)
15:47<solanaceo>does anyony knows of an applications that keeps track of user conection time?
15:47<miksuh>more new Debian users, which is nice :)
15:47<solanaceo>so i can have a database of total user time connection weekly, monthly, whatever...
15:47<vonnis>why cant i edit the sources.list
15:47<EmleyMoor>vonnis: Are you root?
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15:48<miksuh>vonnis: you can edit it only if you are root
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15:48<bartm>vonnis: editing sources.list requires superuser permissions
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15:48<peter__>I have a new debian Etch VPS. In my "/etc/init.d/" directory there is a script "mysql". It doesn't seem to be run at boot up. I think this may be because the script takes an argument?
15:48<vonnis>im in it the text i pasted whas really in that file
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15:49<EmleyMoor>peter__: Unlikely... it would actually be called by an S??mysql link in /etc/rc2.d, for example
15:49<george>vonnis: so now we see that you're running up against file permissions... consider reading up on that subject
15:49<george>if you want to see how they work
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15:50<george>(just so you know... trial-and-error is going to take a LONG time to run thru)
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15:50<peter__>EmleyMoor: so the files in /etc/init.d are just some scripts that may be called if they are linked in one of the rc*.d directories?
15:50<peter__>why are there so many rc*.d directories anyway?
15:51<EmleyMoor>peter__: One per runlevel
15:51<george>each represents a server state
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15:51<vonnis>i hate linux!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:51<EmleyMoor>peter__: They can also be called manually by the system administrator if needed
15:52<george>vonnis: you don't even know much about it yet... you can't possibly hate it (at least not yet)
15:52<vonnis>why do i need permissions if im root i can do what i want right
15:53<george>if you are root, you should be fine
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15:53<george>just be careful
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15:54<vonnis>are you from finland miksuh?
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15:54<Silenus>A general rule of thumb while root is never use rm unless you are confident in your action ;)
15:55<naudiz>I'm using the official Debian sites in /etc/apt/sources.list and it says using apt-get that the packages flex and bison-doc cannot be authenticated what kind of bullshit is this chicanery ?
15:56<peter__>EmleyMoor: Indeed mysql is not mentioned in any of my rc*.d directories. Thanks
15:57<peter__>is there significance to the "K09" part at the start of "rc0.d/K09apache2"?
15:57<vonnis>what is rm
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15:57<george>you don't want to know today :0
15:57<EmleyMoor>peter__: K stops a service, and 09 is to help it be done in the right order
15:57<vonnis>okey probaly not
15:57<george>trust us on that :)
15:58<naudiz>george: are you talking to me ?
15:58<george>no, sorry
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15:59<vonnis>is this good if i got this text as sources.list file
15:59<george>chicken bullshit! wait, that would involve a fair degree of cross pollenation...
15:59<vonnis>http://nopaste.org/p/ajTCyPVxlb
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16:00<EmleyMoor>vonnis: That looks good. Are you in Finland?
16:00<vonnis>no but it doens really matter im from holland i think it will do fine
16:01<vonnis>i dont want to take risk of entering mirror names that dont exist
16:01<EmleyMoor>It may be better to change the .fi. to .nl. but by all means try it
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16:06<peter__>it seems as though my rc2.d to rc5.d directories are identical. Can I just add a symlink in each of those directories to
16:06<peter__>the mysql start script in init.d?
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16:11<vonnis>im not sure but i think i got module assistant now
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16:12<cahoot>!madwifi
16:12<dpkg>madwifi is probably a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net
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16:13<mildner>good evening problem with my Iceape debian lenny
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16:13<vonnis><madwifi-install>
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16:15<bighornram>played the "nightmare" game yesterday trying to get asf file association/plugin setup in iceweasel, now iceweasel won't open pdf documents. evince loads but sits at loading. i tested evince, it opens pdf document locally but not within iceweasel. how can i fix this
16:15<cahoot>!madwifi-install
16:15<dpkg>well, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0.
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16:17<vonnis>could it be possible that i just installed madwifi?
16:17<vonnis>how can i cheackt that it works now?
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16:18<vonnis>cahoot
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16:18<mildner>is there any way to get default sttings for browser (iceape)
16:19<cahoot>vonnis: no protests from m-a?
16:19<vonnis>no
16:19<vonnis>it says i installed madwifi
16:19<cahoot>vonnis: ok try modprobe madwifi
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16:20<vonnis>module not found
16:21<vonnis>its says module madwifi not found
16:22<vonnis>how do i know madwifi works i really saw it installing on my system
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16:24<cahoot>vonnis: but modprobe said module not found?
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16:24<vonnis>yes
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16:25<cahoot>vonnis: try depmod -ea then try modprobe again
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16:25<g6o>hello world
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16:25<g6o> i'm customizing my etch installation by preseeding ... i can't find any howto about partman-auto parameters for patitions customizing !
16:25<g6o>any piece of advice ?
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16:38<pabloq>hello
16:38<pabloq>i'm having severe problems running deb etch on my laptop
16:38<g6o>lo
16:39<pabloq>i'm leaving now
16:39<pabloq>but i would really appreciate it if someone would be so kind as to have a look at the specifics and try to help me
16:39<pabloq>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=114283&sid=2d427d02daa5f784b367ee4a8f159150
16:39<pabloq>they're there
16:39<pabloq>bye
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17:04<george>!info nspluginwrapper
17:04<george>!nspluginwrapper
17:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in contrib on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/
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17:17<myki>Hello. Almost on all applications I run on terminal I get: "perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: \n LANGUAGE = (unset), (...)". How should I fix it?
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17:36<dli>myki, you can choose a default language, in gdm (before login)
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17:37<myki>dli: I've found out that I have to install locales. That though isn't installable due to " locales: Depends: glibc-2.7-1 but it is not installable"
17:38<angelzero>hola a ver si alguien entiende castellano, tengo debian eath, mi probleme a es este, yo configuro los dns en /etc/resolv.conf pero pasado una hora mazomenos se cambia automaticamente los dns y lo que aparece es el gateway..nose porque ??
17:38<dli>myki, you use unstable
17:38<myki>dli: I do
17:38<dli>!tell myki about sid
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17:40<myki>Thank you for constructive hints. A few more folks have that problem for about a week (I suppose, experimental version of glibc was released by mistake to unstable). I thought you may have any solutions.
17:42<dli>myki, try to build locales from source
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17:47<myki>dli: ok, locales/testing seems to work fine at the time
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18:02<blarson>myki: or just install locales from testing
18:04<myki>blarson: < myki> dli: ok, locales/testing seems to work fine at the time
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18:16<tiCo>angelzero: Maybe try a spanisch debian channel... and about your problem: could be because you use DHCP, right?
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18:35<Nemoder>I'm having problems with exim and smarthost, my ISP returns "553 Authentication is required to send mail"
18:35<Nemoder>how do I configure exim to authenticate?
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18:44<petemc>Nemoder: /etc/exim4/passwd.client
18:45<Nemoder>petemc: I entered a line for server:login:pass and restarted exim but I'm still getting the error :(
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18:46<petemc>you can run the daemon in debug mode to see what its doing
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18:46<petemc> /etc/init.d/exim4 stop ; exim4 -d -bd
18:46<petemc>then try to send a mail
18:46<Nemoder>k
18:47<petemc>actually, that wont tell you anything
18:48<Nemoder>heh i was gonna say..
18:49<petemc>i dont use exim as an authenticating client, so its not something ive debugged
18:49<Nemoder>logs for exim return the same thing as the isp.. 553
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18:50<petemc>you could use swaks to test your isps server accepts that user/pass
18:51<Nemoder>it works fine with thunderbird
18:51<Nemoder>but I wanted exim setup so automated things can still be mailed out like popcon
18:52<petemc>exim4 -bV
18:52<Nemoder>weird.. I have the same config on my server running etch and it works fine
18:52<Nemoder>(I'm running lenny)
18:52<petemc>compare the configs
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18:59<Nemoder>they are the same as far as I can tell
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19:00<angelzero>alguien q sepa castellano?
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19:02<angelzero>i have problems!, the DNS change automatic, and i don't know i do /etc/resolv.conf but the problems is equal
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19:04<petemc>Nemoder: does exim4 -d -bt user@remotehost look the same on both?
19:04<streuner>be more specific, our crystal thinge is in low stat ;-
19:05<streuner>angelz: what kind of problem do you have?
19:06<streuner>fuck, s(he) just leave
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19:09<Nemoder>petemc: yes they are the same
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19:16<mmavipc>hello
19:16<petemc>Nemoder: < /dev/null exim4 -d user@remotehost
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19:18<mmavipc>where can i download the kernel source?
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19:18<petemc>the source to your running kernel?
19:19<mmavipc>yes
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19:19<petemc>apt-cache search linux source
19:19<mmavipc>and how do you get xchat to show the lsit of people in the channel?
19:19<petemc>you sure you dont just need the headers?
19:19<petemc> /names
19:19<mmavipc>yes
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19:19<mmavipc>not a irc command
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19:19<mmavipc>a list on the side of the channel
19:19<petemc>if you mean you want a list on the side of the chat window, no idea
19:20<mmavipc>xchat is dumb...
19:20<mikegrb>very
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19:20<Nemoder>petemc: I'm not seeing any errors, not sure what I'm looking for though
19:20<mmavipc>ok i got like 2 million results for that search
19:20<istoc>Hi, Im having problems with vsftpd. I can't make dirs or write files to the home dir for the logged in user.
19:21<petemc>Nemoder: it should show you it attempted to deliver mail through your smarthost
19:21<Nemoder>yeah
19:21<petemc>s/ted/ting/
19:21<mmavipc>istoc:this is the debian support channel
19:21<Nemoder>tons of output
19:21<Nemoder>had to pipe it to a file to see it all
19:21<mmavipc>istoc:this is not the vsftpd support channel
19:21<petemc>mmavipc: people can ask questions about servers they run on debian
19:21<petemc>mmavipc: if you dont know, you dont have to answer
19:22<mmavipc>petemc: oh
19:22<mmavipc>can anyone please just tell me the command to downlaod the lastest kernel?
19:22<istoc>I'm using debian, but I'm sure that doesn't matter.
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19:22<petemc>Nemoder: i think exim prints most the useful info on stderr, did you get that?
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19:24<mmavipc>can someone tell me the command to downlaod the source code of the kernel
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19:24<mmavipc>i need it to compile a program
19:25<petemc>you probably just need the linux-headers package
19:26<mmavipc>where does iut store the headers
19:26<Nemoder>petemc: http://paste.debian.net/42842
19:26<petemc>mmavipc: dpkg -L package tells you where it puts files
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19:27<myki>Hello. Should /usr/bin/X11 be symlinked to ./ (w/ default instalation)?
19:27<dondelelcaro>myki: yes
19:28<myki>ok, another question. I cannot run X on unstable. X --version returns true (GNU coreutils) 5.97 (?)
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19:29<petemc>Nemoder: im guessing exim isnt trying to authenticate
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19:29<petemc>Nemoder: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config , try going through it again
19:29<Nemoder>I just did..
19:30<petemc>then im out of idea, try the debian exim list i guess
19:30<petemc>i would double check the remote smtp transports and authentication sections contain the right info before i did that, tho
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19:30<petemc>erm, remote smtp router
19:31<Nemoder>how do I purge and reinstall a package without it trying to remove everything that depends on it
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19:31<mmavipc>petemc:The path "/usr/share/doc/linux-headers-2.6-amd64" is an existing directory, but
19:31<mmavipc>it does not contain a "linux" subdirectory as expected.
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19:32<petemc>Nemoder: you can do that with dpkg, and perhaps aptitude, you probably dont need to tho
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19:33<mmavipc>The path "/usr/share/doc/linux-headers-2.6-amd64" is an existing directory, but
19:33<mmavipc>it does not contain a "linux" subdirectory as expected.
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19:34<Nemoder>petemc: well this machine has been upgraded since woody I think, could be random junk somewhere I missed
19:34<mmavipc>http://pastebin.com/m1700a23b
19:34<mmavipc>nvm
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19:39<Nemoder>ah force-depends
19:40<Nemoder>damn, that didn't fix it either :(
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19:41<petemc>you could use update-exim4.conf on the working machine to create a config file that you could copy to the non working machine
19:41<petemc>-o exim4.conf
19:42<petemc>put that in /etc/exim4/ , restart exim, it will use that
19:42<petemc>verify with exim4 -bV
19:43<Nemoder>petemc: aha! got it to work, I missed an option when I reinstalled
19:43<petemc>good job
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20:43<peter_>what do I "apt-get" to get the "curl" command line utility?
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20:45<peter_>ahh. it's just "curl" :)
20:45<Nemoder>apt-file search bin/curl
20:45<Nemoder>yup
20:46<paulydoodles>anyone ever get selinux running on a simply mepis distro??
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20:59<peter_>What is the "var" directory officially for?
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20:59<gsimmons_>!tell peter_ -about fhs
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21:02<peter_>gsimmons_: thank you
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21:12<lucas_amorim>hello, is there a way to convert ogg to mp3?
21:12<lucas_amorim>which package would do the job?
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22:19<fenn>#ubuntu
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22:38<wiredoptix>Wow, there is a lot of people in here.
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22:50<digit01>cheers
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22:51<wiredoptix>cheers!
22:51[~]wiredoptix clinks beer mugs.
22:52<digit01>So...This is my first Debian install. The only distro I was affraid of for so long :P
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22:52<wiredoptix>i usualy have it in XFCE
22:52<wiredoptix>but i just booted to flux
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23:03<readon>i want to make a proxy server as the chain of another one, what should i use?
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23:08<digit01>cheers again
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23:10<wiredoptix>cheers!
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23:16<wiredoptix>I am ingesting pop and chips
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23:33<click170>Does anyone know which debian package contains the file kerberos.scehema, or how I would go about finding it? Over and hour's time spent apt-cache searching and apt-get installing different packages has gotten me no further then where I was when I started.
23:33<click170>kerberos.schema* sorry
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23:47<mignish>!mod_lib.c
23:47<mignish>!help
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23:48<mignish>#mod_lib.c
23:48<mignish>!bots
23:48<mignish>#bots
23:49<mignish>mod_lib.c
23:51<mignish>What is the bot name?
23:51<mignish>And how do I ask it something?
23:51<mignish>bot
23:51<click170>debhelper
23:51<mignish>How do I get responses from it?
23:52<mignish>debhelper, help
23:52<mignish>!debhelper mod_lib.c
23:52<click170>oops sorry, its dpkg
23:53<mignish>lol
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23:53<mignish>!dpkg
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23:53<mignish>#dpkg
23:53<mignish>hmmm no one in here by that name
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23:54<Requiem>dangit, where the heck is dpkg?
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23:55<Requiem>!simple sid backports
23:55<blarson>click170: you can use the search at http://pacakges.debian.org
23:55<mignish>Does anyone know if there is a solution for the "mod_lib.c problem" for proftpd?
23:56<mignish>i mean "mod_lang.c
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