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---Logopened Wed Nov 28 00:00:05 2007
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00:59<chuy_max>why when I use the free command after using and closing apps says that I'm using too much RAM? (supposedly I'm using 885MB, with only xchat, amsn, and audio player)
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01:00<chuy_max>according to gnome-system-monitor, I'm using 354MB of user memory., no swap
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---Logclosed Wed Nov 28 01:10:08 2007
---Logopened Wed Nov 28 01:10:09 2007
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01:10|-|Ekipa kanalu #debian: Wszystkich: 260 |-| +op [1] |-| +voice [0] |-| normalnych [259]
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01:21<subha>hi all
01:22<subha>how to encrypt normal text files in debian?
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01:28<k-man>subha, gpg?
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01:30<subha>k-man:any good utility with high security functionalities
01:30<k-man>subha, i thinkg gnupg (or gpg) is good
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01:31<subha>k-man: gnupg is the pkg name?
01:32<k-man>yeah
01:33<subha>kman:what encryption algo it uses?is it having any front-end or it's a cmd line utility?
01:36<k-man>subha, gpg is a command line utility
01:36<k-man>there are front ends for it
01:36<k-man>search for gnu privacy guard
01:36<k-man>i'm not really an expert
01:37<k-man>but i'm sure you'll find an algorithm secure enough for your needs
01:37<subha>ok k-man,thanks
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01:57<superlinux>hi all
01:57|-|mode/#debian [+o debhelper] by ChanServ
01:57<superlinux>i want the win32 DLL codecs for VLC and mplayer? how can i get them?
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02:11<hollo>hi.. if i want to fake that i plug the usb cable in and out.. is that possible? or do i have to do it manually?
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02:12<gsimmons>!tell superlinux -about w32codecs
02:13<superlinux>!ask debian-multimedia
02:13<superlinux>!tell superlinux -about debian-multimedia
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02:14<superlinux>!tell superlinux -about debian-multimedia.etch
02:17<superlinux>gsimmons, well i have an ultrasparc box trying to make it a complete desktop. although old but just want to have a subsitute system
02:17<simonrvn>!tell superlinux -about msg the bot
02:18<superlinux>thanks
02:19[~]dwu snorts quietly.
02:19<dwu>/msg dpkg tell... [etc]
02:19<valdyn>hollo: fake what exactly?
02:19<valdyn>hollo: there'S ways to fake this for subsystems
02:19<valdyn>hollo: but for what exactly?
02:20<simonrvn>;p
02:20<dwu>Yes, thanks.
02:20<hollo>valdyn, well.. it seems like my computer has lost the connection to a usb modem.. and now i want to take the usb cable out.. and plug it back in.. and if i can to that remote, that would be nice.. instead of walk the long way to my computer :(
02:20<simonrvn>hehe
02:20[~]dwu stabs simonrvn IN THE FACE.
02:21<valdyn>hollo: reload the driver
02:21<valdyn>hollo: or one level deeper: reload the usb interface driver
02:21<simonrvn>modprobe -r foo; modprobe foo
02:22<dwu>You know, in the time it took to get that question answered... ;)
02:22<hollo>ahh.. that maybe will do the work.. just a sec
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02:24<subha>hi all,is there anybody who used gpa?
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02:24<hollo>hmm.. the modem is still not clear.. maybe it has to do with something else
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02:28<hollo>valdyn, thanks for the time :) but it didnt seems like the right device was detected again.. well.. maybe i forgot to remove some of the modules :s well... then i need to go the long way and find the modem..
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02:29<opilypes>hi all , i have a question , in arch i can set the compilation cflags in /etc/makepkg.conf where it is in debian pleasy ? i want use this
02:29<opilypes>CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
02:29<opilypes>CFLAGS="-march=prescott -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
02:29<opilypes>CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
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02:30<opilypes>thanks
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02:44<dli>opilypes, wrong channel
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02:45<azcom>hi
02:46<azcom>how can i install YM on ubuntu?
02:46<azcom>pls help me
02:46<dwu>#ubuntu
02:46<azcom>yes
02:46<superlinux>what is architecture "sparcb" ?
02:46<chealer>azcom: /topic
02:46<superlinux>is't the 64bit?
02:46<azcom>no
02:46<superlinux>then?
02:46<dwu>azcom: #ubuntu. Go.
02:47<azcom>im trying to install yahoo messenger on ubuntu..is it possible?
02:47<dwu>azcom: #ubuntu.
02:47<chealer>azcom: did you read the channel topic?
02:47<sep>azcom, how the hel should we know. this is not the ubuntu support channel
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02:48<superlinux>what is architecture "sparcb" in the debian like the "i386", what kind of a sparc CPU?
02:48<sep>azcom, type /join #ubuntu in your irc window and you'll join the right channel
02:48<chealer>superlinux: what's your native language?
02:48<superlinux>arabic
02:49<azcom>sory i dont know
02:49<azcom>im new to this ubunut
02:49<superlinux>chealer, why u ask?
02:50<azcom>sory
02:50<chealer>superlinux: I don't understand your question. if you're asking what Debian architecture contains SPARC CPU-s, the answer is "sparc".
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02:51<superlinux>yes.. but i am on debian-multimedia pages and there is an architecture named "sparcb" .. there is a "b".. that's making me confused
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02:51<superlinux>that's in the mirror page
02:52<chealer>superlinux: http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php or what?
02:52<superlinux>yes
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02:53<superlinux>debian-m-testing.php page
02:53<chealer>superlinux: I don't see "sparcb" there, only "sparc".
02:53<gsimmons>superlinux: Do you mean <http://www.debian-multimedia.org/debian-m-unstable.php>? That looks to be a typo.
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02:53<superlinux>http://www.debian-multimedia.org/debian-m-testing.php at the end
02:53<chealer>superlinux: ah. that's a typo.
02:53<superlinux>ah ok
02:54<superlinux>i thought otherwise
02:54[~]dwu wants to see how superlinux copes with a typo that also forms another word.
02:54<chealer>superlinux: BTW, you won't find w32codecs for sparc.
02:54<superlinux>nothing it's to me like the x86 and 64_x86
02:54<superlinux>aha
02:55<superlinux>so can i get them to be compiled or so
02:55<superlinux>i know they are win dll's
02:55<chealer>superlinux: no, they're only binary
02:55<superlinux>aha ok
02:55<superlinux>but there is mplayeron sparc
02:55<superlinux>i just downloaded that
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02:57<superlinux>anyway.. it's just an old ultrasparc trying to make it live
02:57<superlinux>it's fully working.. but needs a USB port and and DVD ROM that's all
02:59<superlinux>can i emulate solaris on Linux?
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03:06<spq>i have a local debian repository, with a Packages file - and some *.deb files, now i want to sign this repository to be able to install without the anoying information that some files couldnt be verified
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03:20<blarson>superlinux: If it's a pci machine, usb cards can be added. No usb for sbus.
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04:23<karolos>hello
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04:23<karolos>I'm trying making a bash script that will exit me from shell .. for example when i run in tty1 and run it it will logout me from tty1... i use exit but doesn't do anything
04:23<karolos>any ideas?\
04:23<karolos>?
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04:24<cisco>hallo
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04:24<dwu>karolos: why wouldn't you just... type exit?
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04:25<Cammarro>hi, I've two debians (Sid and Etch)... I try to update them, but they're still ignoring diff indexes... any ideas?
04:25<karolos>dwu: i want the bash script to do this.... i want to run it and do some jobs and after exit
04:25<spq`>karolos, #bash (probably only in freenode)
04:26<spq`>and that exit doesnt help you is normal, you would have to kill the parent process or so
04:26<dwu>karolos: ah. Note that exit exits the -script-.
04:26<spq`>or probably logout helps
04:26<karolos>ok thanks
04:26<themill>karolos: but put on your asbestos underwear before going into #bash...
04:26<spq`>i have a local debian repository, with a Packages file - and some *.deb files, now i want to sign this repository to be able to install without the anoying information that some files couldnt be verified
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04:27<spq`>nobody an idea?
04:27<dwu>themill: Ooh, are they flamey?
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04:29<themill>dwu: um, yeah. If you don't know what you're talking about then they'll just fit you with lots of rtfm bot factoids, and if you do know what you're talking about they'll just get abusive and tell you to stop being so l33t or some such crap. #d has a reputation as being fierce and flamey but next to #bash we look nice, calm, relaxed and welcoming :(
04:30<dwu>themill: Hrm...
04:30<dwu>themill: That's pretty shit. At least in the second condition, I know #d (and others) are nice and helpful.
04:30<altoid>is it alright to ask a dovecot on debian question in here if nobody in #dovecot on freenode is responding?
04:30<dwu>themill: In the first condition, bot factoids will do :)
04:31<dwu>altoid: you can try, but someone who knows dovecot on Debian well would probably also be on #dovecot.
04:31<themill>dwu: abusive ones aren't that helpful though, and you can't really describe bash's documentation as being user-friendly. Extensive, yes; readable, no.
04:32<dwu>themill: Well, I dunno. There's a pretty good bash scripting guide out there.
04:32<themill>altoid: the only people I know of who use dovecot are normally online in about 5 hours or so, but you can try ;)
04:32<dwu>themill: Being abusive at someone who -does- know shit is pretty lame, though.
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04:32<altoid>so, i'm running dovecot on etch and have followed http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ with the result being working smtp but no dice on pop3 and imap. any takers?
04:32<sir>are there any ppl here?
04:32<dwu>altoid: I also suspect you're in the wrong time zone for this - it's a quiet time of day.
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04:33<petemc>no, thats not a question
04:33<dwu>altoid: Another... two, three hours, maybe, it'll liven up some :)
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04:33<altoid>dwu: yeah, it's 1:30am for me, i though that's the right hacking time :P
04:33<dwu>altoid: Yeah, you suck, etc. It's hacking time, but it's a weekday. Loads of hackers have day jobs too.
04:33<altoid>so do i - just not tomorrow
04:33<altoid>oh well
04:33<themill>dwu: yeah... it has got better. But man bash is usually less than helpful. For a while I was on #bash trying to help people but I couldn't be bothered with the rest of it. And I never did get sensible answers to my questions (where the documentation was ambiguous).
04:33<dwu>(It's 5.30pm for me. Work.)
04:33<petemc>altoid: try asking a real question
04:34<altoid>i suppose this'll have to wait until tomrorow
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04:34<altoid>petemc: ok: any common issues with default pop3/imap config of dovecot that would make then not work while smpt is doing fine? (using it with postfix and virtual domains in a mysql database, everything works fine in mutt
04:35<dwu>themill: I've honestly never touched bash's manpage. Any kind of scripting I've done (which isn't a lot, and I tend towards Perl for scripts now), I got from the Advanced Bash Scripting Guide.
04:35<petemc>altoid: check the logs
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04:35<themill>dwu: :)
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04:36<karolos>hmm... can do this ... ok i add a new script with exec ./pythonprogra.py and after kill -1 $PPID but i just get a terminated and still in terminal
04:37<altoid>petemc: dpkg's answer to "#debian logs" leads to a 404
04:37<spq`>karolos, this is not debian related,
04:37<petemc>altoid: dovecot logs
04:37[~]dwu snorts quietly
04:38<petemc>altoid: and not dovecot the irc channel, dovecot your imapd/pop3d server
04:39<altoid>petemc: yeah, no dice there. /var/log/mail.log tells me i managed to authenticate...and that's kind of it
04:39<themill>karolos: what are you trying to do?
04:40<themill>spq`: If he's running on debian, it's debian related up to the point where noone on #d can help in which case some other channel is better ;)
04:40<petemc>altoid: dovecot logs to syslog here, also you can enable debugging - check the wiki
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04:40<altoid>petemc: did that too, but not getting much info out of it. certainly can't see any indication of an error
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04:41<petemc>altoid: you're beyond help
04:42<spq`>themill, ok - ut he is inbash and does not answer the questions ^^
04:42<themill>spq`: fair call. If I don't get an answer here then it's the end for me too... ;)
04:43<altoid>petemc: if you say so
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04:44<petemc>altoid: i know dovecot logs perfectly well
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04:50<altoid>petemc: what does http://pastebin.ca/800298 tell you, then?
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04:51<rame>hi all..
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04:51<themill>dpkg: greet rame
04:51<dpkg>Wassup, rame
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04:52<rame>I recently upgraded my debian to sid..it is given in gnome2.20 release notes that..totem will ask for an automatic codec installation of codec if its not there..
04:53<rame>but unfortunately I didnt get any such message boxes..?any idea..did u people purposely removed that script...?how can I get it.
04:53<rame>themill, dpkg any idea..?
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04:54<petemc>altoid: it tells me its working to some degree, but seeing as your question was essentially "dovecot doesnt work?" , i dont know where your problem lies
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04:54<themill>rame: dpkg is a bot and I don't use gnome so there's no point in asking me... Have you looked in the changelog for totem? in /usr/share/doc/totem/* ?
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04:54<altoid>petemc: well, i'm having trouble pinpointing the problem, so i'll explain what i've tested so far:
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04:56<altoid>petemc: i used http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ to set up postfix and dovecot, and at this point i have smtp working (tested via telnet and thunderbird), and pop3 and imap not working (in the sense that i see an empty inbox via telnet and tbird)
04:56<rame>themill, yeah I checked that..but I couldnt find any logs for removal..is there any other channels where I can throw such doubts..?
04:56<altoid>however, if i use mutt, everything seems fine
04:56<petemc>altoid: does mutt use imap or read the mail spool directly?
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04:57<altoid>petemc: i believe it reads the mail spool directly
04:57<petemc>so that tells you nothing
04:57<altoid>well, tells me postfix is working to a degree
04:57<altoid>but nothing about dovecot
04:57<petemc>and how useful is that?
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04:57<themill>rame: there's a totem-plugins package... would they be in there?
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04:58<altoid>it's not, no need to be snarky about it
04:58<themill>rame: ahh.. that's a dep. sorry, you'll already have it
04:58<petemc>altoid: how is me telling you that postfix working has no effect on dovecot "snarky"?
04:58<petemc>altoid: im trying to help you ask the right questions
04:59<altoid>petemc: and i appreciate that, but i can't help but think you're trying to be condescending. sorry, maybe i'm just tired and frustrated
04:59<themill>altoid: we like to teach you how to fish by asking questions that make you ask questions ;)
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05:01<dwu>altoid: Snarky and condescending would be throwing you the Smart Questions FAQ right off the bat after your first question. petemc has displayed patience, willingness to help, and at least some knowledge - assume good faith.
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05:02<ncl>well
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05:02<altoid>dwu: i'm trying real hard. it's been a long day, and i'll admit it may have shortened my fuse more than i'd like it to.
05:02<altoid>anyway, sorr 'bout that
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05:03<dwu>altoid: Yes. At the point when I frustrated at IRC, I wander off, have some tea, watch TV, go to bed - whatever. *nod* (Ok, sometimes I shout at people, but not at people trying to help me, just random social channels that dont' mind if I primal-scream-therapy into the channel :))
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05:04<altoid>maybe i'll do just that (the former). see you folks tomorrow
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05:07<plm156>when trying to startx with s3 vision 964 pci i get this error : (EE) s3(0): Ramdac probe failed , log and xorg.conf at http://paste.debian.net/43629
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05:12<themill>heh ramdac.... long time since I've seen them...
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05:12<dcordero>hi
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05:30<locsmif>Hi, for a school assignment, I must setup a mail server in Debian. Which one would you guys recommend? Postfix or Exim? Something else?
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05:32<dcordero>locsmif, i suggest this -> Postfix, OpenLDAP, Courier ((POP3&&IMAP) + SSL), SASL, Spamassassin, Amavis-new and SquirrelMail
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05:32<locsmif>dcordero, thanks
05:34<dcordero>y r welcome
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05:49<spq`>i have a small problem, i have an own debian repository, which holds some patched packages, i added a pin for this repository with priority 1001, to make sure that i dont get new unpatched versions of these packages but now apt reinstalls the packages everytime i touch apt-get upgrade
05:49<morgan`>hello
05:50<youcef>#hack
05:50<youcef>hellow
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05:51<youcef>do you speak french
05:51<JasonS>!fr
05:51<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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05:51<youcef>#debian-fr
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06:02<youcef>salut
06:02<youcef>vous parlez francai
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06:02<petemc>!fr
06:02<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net.
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06:16<flawd>I use testing/Lenny. My usbmouse and usbkeyboard hangs sometimes and I wonder if there is perhaps a command to rescan them or make the system aware of them again without rebooting (until ive tracked down and fixed the problem) now typing with ps2 keyboard... lsusb still shows the keyboard and mouse attached but they are not responding and keyboard leds wont show. any ideas?
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06:18<lupine>flawd: any useful messages in dmesg?
06:20<flawd>lupine, a quick "dmesg | grep usb" only shows the positive lines of finding the hardware, no errors.
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06:22<flawd>I wonder if it matters that i have my keyboard connected directly to the usb port on the back of the computer, and the other usbport goes to the usbhub inport of my dellmonitor. then i have my mouse connected to the monitor
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06:32<flawd>lupine, I just tried to reset hal, hotplug, dbus, udev in /etc/init.d/ but the usbkeyboard and mouse still does not work
06:32<flawd>seems like when this happens all i can do is to reboot. but i shouldnt have to. i am aiming to track down the error but until then i want to be able to atleast "revive" them when it happens without rebooting
06:33<flawd>dmesg
06:33<flawd>woops
06:33<lupine>tried removing and re-adding the kernel modules?
06:34<lupine>whatever they are
06:34<flawd>good tip
06:34<flawd>will try now
06:34<lupine>usbhid
06:34<lupine>possibly others
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06:40<flawd>lupine, modprobe -r usbhid just hangs
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06:41<flawd>and trying to "rmmod -f" on usbhid, ohci_hcd, hid and usbcore just says "ERROR: Removing 'moduleitriedtoremove' : Resource temporarily unavailable
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06:42<flawd>so maybe it is the kernelmodules that hangs?
06:43<st0nedbr>Hi, in squid 3 is possible to use authenticated users (with proxy configured in the brownser) and transparent proxy users (no auth to this transparent users), is it possible to do this???
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06:52<flawd>I'll try to just unplug the dell usb hub if it is that that causes the kernelmodules to hang for some reason and reboot now
06:52<flawd>bbs
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06:52<gsimmons>st0nedbr: I'm not sure if that's possible in the same instance of Squid. You can set up multiple Squid instances (one for each requirement) however. Out of interest, any particular reason you're using Squid 3.0?
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06:59<tebo>hello! can i change contrast setting of monitor by software? I have ati graphic card x1600
07:00<tebo>not gamma
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07:05<stuart>what's the thunar-like program for gnome?
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07:05<lupine>nautilus?
07:05<stuart>oh yeah, i forgot. was on xfce too long. thanks.
07:06<lupine>konqueror > nautilus :p
07:07<stuart>does it come in the installation
07:07<stuart>or is that for kde
07:07<lupine>nah, it's a KDE app
07:07<stuart>k
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07:42<st0nedbr>gsimmons: nothing special, it cames with debian i´ve installed
07:43<st0nedbr>gsimmons: it´s working now, i just put 2 instances of http_port on the same conf file, so on http_port is for transp proxy and other works with auth users
07:43<st0nedbr>gsimmons: thanks for your help and sorry bad english
07:44<gsimmons>st0nedbr: Ah, good to hear it's working for you.
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08:57<Nadare|home>My root password has recently been changed by some unknown force, I have reset it and all that is fine and dandy. Where can I see the passwd histor or similar to see who/what allowed such a breach ?
08:58<locsmif>/var/log
08:58<locsmif>/var/log/auth.log
08:58<locsmif>etc.
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08:58<Kris>Hellow
08:58<locsmif>install midnight commander
08:58<locsmif>cd /var/log
08:58<locsmif>mc
08:59<locsmif>Nadare|home, futhermore, apt-get install chkrootkit
08:59<locsmif>chkrootkit
08:59<azeem>please don't impose your personal workflow on others
08:59<Nadare|home>thanks locsmif
08:59<Kris>I have problem with ati radeon 9200 and debian, how i can configure xorg ?
08:59<locsmif>Nadare|home, you're welcome
08:59<azeem>locsmif: Nadare|home asked about which log file to read, not about what file browser to use
08:59<azeem>Kris: what problems?
09:00<locsmif>azeem, it seems he thanked me though, not you
09:00<Nadare|home>Now now children ^^;
09:00<gsimmons>!tell Kris -about drxx
09:00<locsmif>i make an estimation of the skill level of the person requesting help, then adjust my advice based on that
09:00<Kris>when loading startx Monitor writes out of range
09:01<azeem>Kris: did you have that monitor plugged in when you installed Debian?
09:02<daemonix>ooooo, this helps adress a problem i have, but different card slightly... all-in-wonder 9700
09:02<Kris>no, how ?
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09:02<daemonix>want to get myth up and running
09:02<azeem>Kris: how what?
09:03<Kris>how configure xorg ? on ati 9200
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09:03<azeem>Kris: see what dpkg told you in a private message
09:04<Kris>one moment
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09:05<daemonix>kinda a complete noobish one here though, least when it comes to linux
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09:06<azeem>daemonix: well, if you need help, you have to give a detailed error description
09:07<azeem>people are very unlikely to jump up and say "I will help you" without knowing in what they're getting themselves into
09:07<Nadare|home>anyone else having trouble using ftp.se.debian.org ? :S
09:08<azeem>Nadare|home: please be more specific
09:08<daemonix>ok
09:08<Nadare|home>Hmm nevermind, I can ping it so it must be a port problem on my side
09:08<daemonix>sorry
09:08<daemonix>like i said
09:08<daemonix>noobish
09:08<daemonix>lol
09:09<azeem>I hope that wasn't your detailed error description
09:09<daemonix>didn't know if it was just like, a automatick thing someone could point me to, like, drivers, for debian, for that card, what i have heard is there is a sincere lack of driver support for that card and linux period, but i might be able to find it somewhere, i dunno... the tv side of things, input output for video,
09:09<daemonix>no error yet
09:10<azeem>dude
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09:10<azeem>what is the error?
09:10<daemonix>fishing for the likelyhood of it being doable first
09:10<azeem>if there's no error, what exactly do you want to do/achieve?
09:10<daemonix>before i install it on the box with the card
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09:12<gsimmons>daemonix: IIRC, there's a Debian HOWTO for MythTV on their website. You might want to look there to begin with. Unofficial packages for this software are in debian-multimedia.
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09:13<daemonix>i would like to install a flavor of linux on my machine, and eventually get myth to work with the video card currently inside of the comp, which is a all-in-wonder-'pro' ati radeon 9700,
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09:14<azeem>daemonix: so why don't you do it?
09:14<Benix>hi, what can be the reason, that `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa` will create hardlinks given by debian/links instead of symbolic links? rules just contains include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk ... but I really need to use symbolic links, otherwise the linked script won't start
09:14<daemonix>ok
09:15<azeem>Benix: what file system?
09:15<Benix>azeem: xfs
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09:16<azeem>Benix: from where to where is the link supposed to go
09:16<Benix>azeem: /usr/share/<application>/<script> -> /usr/bin/<script>
09:17<azeem>I'm not sure, maybe it's an issue with xfs
09:17<Benix>azeem: just checked with test -h /usr/bin/<script> it now said that it is a symbolic link, but the script won't start up. If i rm /usr/bin/<script> and do ln -s /usr/share/<application>/<script> /usr/bin/<script> it works!
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09:17<azeem>Benix: eh
09:17<azeem>Benix: maybe it was just a broken symlink?
09:17<Benix>azeem: I my eyes thats impossible ;)
09:18<Benix>azeem: no, I just compard the output of ls -l of both links, but look equal
09:18<azeem>run stat on them
09:18<bomba>åñòü êòî ïî ðóññêè ãîâîðèò è ìîæåò ïîìî÷ü!?
09:19<Nadare|home>o.O
09:19<azeem>bomba: pleas write in english
09:19<bomba>ûû
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09:19<azeem>!ru
09:19<dpkg>i guess ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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09:19<bomba>thx
09:20<Benix>azeem: also same output .. hm, maybe it's a problem of bash
09:20<azeem>bomba: on irc.freenode.net
09:20<azeem>Benix: what are the permissions and file owner/group?
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09:21<Benix>azeem: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 2007-11-28 15:15 < permission of the working link in /usr/bin ; and lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2007-11-28 15:14 of the non-working link
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09:22<Benix>azeem: looks both to be the same -.-
09:22<bomba>bb
09:22<Nadare|home>Hmm... On a default debian install, what could cause root to su to nobody at exactly 07.35.07 in the morning, 3 times every night ?
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09:23<azeem>Nadare|home: cron
09:23<azeem>maybe
09:24<Nadare|home>I suppose... And no trace of any passwd change for root in the auth files, which is even more strange
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09:32<Nadare|home>hmm azeem, got any tips on how I can find when and who changed the root pw? the auth logs hold nothing of interest
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09:33<azeem>Nadare|home: if somebody maliciously changed your root password, they probably covered their tracks as well
09:33<azeem>did you check for a rootkit yet?
09:34<Nadare|home>apt-get times out when trying to connect to the ftp so im researching whats going on there, the server is on a dmz zone so nothing should be blocking it
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09:35<m_g>hi guys
09:36<m_g>i have a drive at /dev/sdb of which i think that it is an external usb disk.. can i somehow read the model of the drive to be sure i'm right?
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09:39<berto>m_g: just type 'dmesg' and you should see it
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09:40<m_g>berto, great, found it, thanks. :)
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10:04<m_g>i keep forgetting how to set the timezone.. anybody? :)
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10:05<gsimmons>!tell m_g -about set the time
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10:06<m_g>gsimmons, thanks.. do you know in which module tzconfig is located?
10:08<gsimmons>m_g: It's not a module. It's provided by the 'libc6' package on Etch (/usr/sbin/tzconfig).
10:08<m_g>gsimmons, thanks
10:09<m_g>hm still doesn't existt
10:09<m_g>there's only tzselect
10:09<gsimmons>m_g: What Debian suite are you using?
10:09<m_g>gsimmons, testing branch
10:10<gsimmons>m_g: Use "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" instead. dpkg did mention this. :)
10:10<m_g>gsimmons, ahh great, works :)
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10:39<Harlekino>just upgraded to lenny
10:39<Harlekino>many thanks for help
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10:39<Harlekino>God bless dpkg :)
10:40<aptituz>lol
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10:40<tiberius0101>hello, I#m on my way to purchase a dell server, is there a chance to get the new PERC 6/iR running with etch?
10:40<Harlekino>aptituz, im new here
10:40<tiberius0101>dell server is: PE2950 III
10:41<tiberius0101>the perc 6 is a sas/sata raid controller....
10:41<Harlekino>aptituz, last nigh i was rude
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10:43<tiberius0101>official, there are only drivers for rhes3,4,5...would be great if someone could help me, to find a solution
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10:48<x>hello everyone ... i need help ... i have Creative Audiogy 2 zs pltnium pro and i have one onboard sound card ... how i can disable the onboard card and set the creative sound card as default ?!
10:48<x>i using Ubuntu 7.10
10:49<petemc>try #ubuntu , probably on freenode
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10:49<x>i tried in Ubuntu server ... nobody can help me
10:50<aptituz>Harlekino: i see
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10:50<x> hello everyone ... i need help ... i have Creative Audiogy 2 zs pltnium pro and i have one onboard sound card ... how i can disable the onboard card and set the creative sound card as default ?!
10:50<x> i using Ubuntu 7.10
10:50<petemc>x: dont repeat
10:50<x> hello everyone ... i need help ... i have Creative Audiogy 2 zs pltnium pro and i have one onboard sound card ... how i can disable the onboard card and set the creative sound card as default ?!
10:50<x> i using Ubuntu 7.10
10:50<aptituz>x: this is _not_ #ubuntu
10:50<dwu>x: Join #ubuntu.
10:51<x>sry wrong PASTing :-s
10:51<dwu>x: Don't paste, flood, etc.
10:51<petemc>x: you should have an option to disable the onboard card in the bios, further than that, you need to ask ubuntu people
10:51<x>petemc what's command line ?!
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10:52<x>i can't find it in biios
10:52<x>but thanks 4 help
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10:55<Kaellak>hello
10:55<Kaellak>i have a bit of a problem, and being a noob at linux isn't helping
10:56<Kaellak>i can't figure out how to unpack the tarball in the root fodler so i can use it a software from all users
10:56<Kaellak>folder**
10:56<Kaellak>a=as
10:58<Xenguy>Kaellak: hi...
10:58<Xenguy>Kaellak: I'm not sure that you really want to unpack tarballs in /
10:59<Xenguy>Kaellak: what is the software anyway?
10:59<Kaellak>well, firefox and vlc
10:59<dwu>*eeee*
10:59<dwu>You know you can just install those from apt, yes?
10:59<Xenguy>Kaellak: you should install debian packages for those
10:59<padski>Kaellak: use the freindly package management ?
10:59<JasonS>Kaellak: why not use aptitude to install them?
10:59<padski>friendly even :-)
11:00<Kaellak>aptitude?
11:00<JasonS>!aptitude
11:00<dpkg>[aptitude] "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t
11:00<Xenguy>Kaellak: use synaptic to install if you want a newb-friendly GUI frontend
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11:00<Xenguy>Kaellak: synaptic is the "point-and-click" option
11:01<Kaellak>where is it?
11:01<Xenguy>!synaptic
11:01<dpkg>hmm... synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/
11:01<Xenguy>Conectiva?
11:01<azeem>ehu
11:01<azeem>dpkg: forget synaptic
11:01<dpkg>azeem: i forgot synaptic
11:03<padski>it is written by conectiva isn't it ?
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11:03<azeem>padski: but not maintained
11:03<Kaellak>also is there a wireless util? i know my wireless card doesn't have a linux driver but when i fond one i'd like to go roaming
11:03<Xenguy>padski: I did not know that, however I'm not sure that is terribly relevant; synaptic is the standard GUI tool now for Debian and Ubuntu for example
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11:04<asdf>americanos, fodam-se
11:04<Xenguy>Kaellak: I'm not too familiar with wireless, but you can search the 'synaptic' tool for wireless-related software
11:05<padski>Xenguy: and I don't think it uses WINGS any more, I think it is gtk or even gnome now
11:05<Xenguy>padski: I expect you are right about that
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11:06<Xenguy>Q. I am SSH'd into a box I want to 'hibernate' from the command-line. What is the easiest, most reliable tool to use?
11:06<petemc>hibernate?
11:07<petemc>oh, as in power management
11:07<petemc>you can echo values into /proc/acpi/sleep to do that kinda stuff
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11:08<padski>Xenguy: actually I'm amazed anyone ever wrote anything with WINGS :-)
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11:11<gsimmons>Kaellak: What wireless device do you have?
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11:23<buffoon_work>I want to use preseeding for a debian installer CD. Does anybody know if i can specify partition Sizes in GB too? like: "root :: 4G 5G 10G ext3 " instead of "root :: 4000 5000 10000 ext3"?
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11:30<josealfredo>k pasa aki
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11:31<chealer>!ell josealfredo about es
11:31<chealer>!tell josealfredo -about es
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11:32<azeem>w31
11:32<azeem>oops
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11:35<panagos>how can i make apt parallelize downloads from servers with the same set of packages?
11:36<petemc>i dont think you can
11:36<panagos>hmmm
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11:39<gsimmons>buffoon_work: Only in megabytes, from what I can gather. Either "try it and see" or ask in #debian-boot for confirmation.
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11:41<buffoon_work>gsimmons: well, thats enough information for me i guess.. its not such a hard work to add some 0's... thanks
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12:13<SiriusGrey>Hi, i'm having an interesting situation with Xorg-radeon DRM/OpenGL - dri works (in glxgears and also openarena/quake) yet in ppracer and others the framerate is ~ 2fps
12:14<SiriusGrey>(debian testing)
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12:15<Insa|doublex>greetings
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12:17<Insa|doublex>anybody here who can help me with graphics issues under debian 4.0r1?
12:17<ViRaveNuS>how is that problem with the Adobe FP with the Please enter a valid installation path.
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12:19<ViRaveNuS>can somebody answer becose i can't find the answer on the gogle's links
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12:21<JasonS>!ask
12:21<Harlekino>aptituz, bwah, BOFH from croatia here for first time
12:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
12:22<Insa|doublex>okay ^^ whenever i open the concole by ctrl-alt-f1 my sreen displays lots of funny things but nothing readyble by human eyes, xfce runs without problems.
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12:22<Insa|doublex>same thing appears when i shutdown the machine
12:23|-|mode/#debian [+l 311] by debhelper
12:23<Insa|doublex>booting isn't affected by this
12:23<Harlekino>Insa|doublex, type: "clear" on terminal and pres enter
12:23<Insa|doublex>doesnt' work
12:23<Harlekino>ok
12:24<Insa|doublex>graphicscard is an old kyro 2
12:24<Harlekino>Insa|doublex, type "reset" and pres enter
12:24<Harlekino>at terminal
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12:24<Harlekino>oh
12:24<Harlekino>terminal
12:25<Insa|doublex>so what's terminal?`
12:25<Harlekino>Insa|doublex, what;s console
12:25<Insa|doublex>the little blackbox on the gui or the fullscreenthingy i rerach by ctrl-alt-f1?
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12:26<Harlekino>use console Insa|doublex
12:26<Insa|doublex>well, i can't see anything on the console
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12:26<Harlekino>or RTFM
12:26<Insa|doublex>just some white dots on black bg
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12:26<Insa|doublex>and the lower part of the screen is in some weird colours
12:26<Harlekino>abot diference betwenn console and gui
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12:27<Harlekino>or im just tired
12:27<Harlekino>ok
12:27<Harlekino>again
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12:28<Harlekino>Insa|doublex,
12:28<Harlekino>slow down
12:28<Insa|doublex>ok
12:28<Harlekino>im old BOFH on recovery
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12:28<Insa|doublex>hehe
12:28<noflash> /ignore -replies Harlekino
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12:29[~]Harlekino sayz noflash is good
12:30<Harlekino>noflash,
12:32<Harlekino>i'll can help, bur not now, recovery first, yea noflash ?
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12:34<Harlekino>and best thing for me iis to fsck up and watch
12:34<Harlekino>so i will
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12:51<sasha>hi i would like to install wine frorm the wine repository cause the updates fixs too much bug , but if i try to do that i can only update wine an libwine packages , all the lib-wine-xxx packages are removed is it important or are there integrated in the libwine from the wine reposotory
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12:53<panagos>how can i cross-compile with gcc? the info docs say i need to use <machine>-gcc, but such an executable doesn't exist!
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12:57<valdyn>sasha: winehq uses a different packaging
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12:58<valdyn>sasha: remove _all_ debina wine packages before using winehq.com stuff
12:58<Xenguy>petemc: back... re: hibernation, that sounds a little esoteric; I was hoping for a simple command-line tool :-/
12:59<valdyn>Xenguy: like "hibernate" ?
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13:00<knoppixProblem>is ther anybody?
13:00<knoppixProblem>hello?
13:00<valdyn>knoppixProblem: no, see #knoppix
13:01<knoppixProblem>is this a automatic message or from a person?
13:01<knoppixProblem>valdyn?
13:01<witte>!knoppix
13:01<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/
13:01<valdyn>knoppixProblem: both
13:01<witte>that is automatic,
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13:07<sasha>valdyn : so all the libwine-xxx stuff will be integrated
13:08<sasha>but with the libwine package from winehq
13:09<iano>iano de sousa saCRAMENTO
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14:00<dana_>hello
14:02<dana_>i just mounted a fat32 partition to my desktop and i tried to give myself read/write permissions and ownership to it using chown and chmod but it keeps saying operation not permitted even when i'm logged in as root can someone please tell me what i'm doing wrong?
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14:02<Eulex>dana_, fat32 partitions do not support permissions.
14:02<Eulex>!vfatrw
14:02<dpkg>To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id"
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14:03<dana_>thanks dpkg
14:03<dpkg>bitte, dana_
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14:05<keyz>hi
14:05<keyz>does anyone knows if there is some fedora chan here?
14:06<azeem>keyz: no
14:06<keyz>ok :/
14:06<azeem>keyz: read the documentation of your irc client to find out how to search for channels
14:06<keyz>i search but didn't found so i ask
14:06<azeem>maybe try irc.freenode.net
14:07<azeem>keyz: but why on earth do you ask in #debian?
14:07<keyz>this is not freenode?
14:07<azeem>keyz: shouldn't you know which server you connect to?
14:07<azeem> /whois keyz
14:07<keyz>before debian was on freenode, so i thought that i was on ;)
14:08<dana_>dpkg, i tried that but it still says that i don't have read/write i did umount and mount -a
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14:13<cassio>hi
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14:13<cassio>i'm receiving a kernel panic message
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14:14<cassio>/sbin/init cannot open /dev/console: no Such file
14:14<cassio>what could it be?
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14:15<maks>what's the last message before that?
14:15<donfede>where are the libc man pages (not in glibc-doc or glibc-doc-reference...)
14:15<donfede>asking per stable/etch
14:15<EmleyMoor>I seem to have lost one of my sound cards - despite it having the right index in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
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14:16<maks>donfede: manpages-dev , maybe?
14:16<maks>EmleyMoor: how?
14:16<maks>EmleyMoor: under your desk?
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14:16<cassio>pivot_root: No such file or directory
14:16<EmleyMoor>I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to prevent one of the "abnormal" drivers grabbing any index lower than 2
14:17<EmleyMoor>maks: alsa refuses to pick up on it any more
14:17<maks>cassio: what are you trying to install?
14:17<maks>EmleyMoor: uname -a
14:17<cassio>It's already installed, but is not booting
14:17<donfede>maks: thanks, that was it :-/ :)
14:17<cassio>it's debian sarge
14:17<maks>donfede: cool :)
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14:17<maks>cassio: what is installed?
14:17<EmleyMoor>maks: Linux topdeck 2.6.18-5-k7 #1 SMP Wed Oct 3 00:47:27 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
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14:18<cassio>maks: debian sarge
14:18<maks>EmleyMoor: and it did work with -4
14:18<maks>cassio: what for initrd-tools is b0rked beyond imagination
14:18<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... for some reason, it's come back of its own accord on an alsa force-reload
14:18<EmleyMoor>It worked with -5 (!)
14:18<maks>EmleyMoor: did you try alsaconf ?
14:19<cassio>?
14:19<EmleyMoor>maks: At some point, I am sure I have,,, but I will again
14:19<maks>cassio: install etch - short version
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14:20<EmleyMoor>maks: Actually, I think I did a few times ago and it made no difference
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14:20<maks>EmleyMoor: hmm, then maybe something is muted..
14:20<maks>checkout alsamixer <f5>
14:21<cassio>but i have a package that is only working on sarge
14:21<EmleyMoor>maks: When it doesn't work, it's not because it's muted, it's because it isn't loading - for no good reason
14:21<maks>cassio: initrd-tools can't work with the kind of discs you are trying to install
14:21<cassio>sata discs?
14:21<maks>cassio: that was the most prominent install failure back in those days, yes.
14:22<maks>EmleyMoor: alsaconf should load them
14:22<maks>and add appropriate modprobe entries, strange.
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14:22<EmleyMoor>maks: It seems not to matter what I do... should I have cause to reboot, it loses this one particular card, every time
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14:22<EmleyMoor>maks: I always have a faff making it work again
14:22<maks>cassio: install etch, and make a sarge chroot for your $borked_thing
14:22<cassio>but now's the point: the hard disk booted on another machine
14:23<cassio>ok, chroot and...
14:23<maks>EmleyMoor: i'm not an alsa expert, haven't got yet my mic working on my x61 *duck*
14:24<maks>but that's because it needs latest alsa, but even then box too new..
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14:24<maks>EmleyMoor: anyway good luck, have to run
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14:31<faheem__>Does anyone of the top of their head know a simple way of finding out which packages in the debian repos build-depend on scons?
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14:36<peterrooney>faheem__: apt-rdepends ? is my guess
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14:37<faheem__>peterrooney: Tried apt-rdepends. Couldn't figure out how to use it. Maybe I was doing something wrong.
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14:41<faheem__>peterrooney: apt-rdepends -b -r scons
14:41<faheem__>E: Reverse build-dependencies are not supported
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14:57<peterrooney>faheem__: well, then. looks like there's a new project you've started :)
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15:00<badquanta>I've got a really weird problem.. I just updated my distro /w synaptic and my keyboard stopped working when I use GNOME. Works fine anywhere else but if I login to GNOME via GDM it stops working.. event he Num/Caps/Scroll lock LEDs no longer respond.. any clues?
15:01<badquanta>So far my only fix is to login to WindowMaker and try to figure it out.
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15:05<jamesbew>hi all
15:06<jamesbew>can anyone tell me where i can find a list of what packages are on the 20+ install CD's?
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15:06<jamesbew>i have am hoping all i need will be on CD1
15:06<jamesbew>which is the base system and stuff like software raid and postgress
15:06<JasonS>jamesbew: dpeends on what you want/need
15:06<Eulex>jamesbew, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/list-cd/
15:07<Eulex>(for i386)
15:07<jamesbew>yeah, i386
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15:09<jamesbew>spot on
15:09<jamesbew>thanks
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15:34<Vanye>Anyone recall the dd command to make boot floppies from iso files, and does anyone know (hopefully) if the speakup modified Sarge boot floppies will boot Etch's netinst CD?
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15:40<picsou>Hello
15:41<Vanye>Hello, back.
15:41<Nemoder>Vanye: might try something like this: http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
15:42<sepski>Vanye, etch floppies dont work ? ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy ?
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15:42<paenitens>hello
15:43<Vanye>I've tried rawrite via WinXP, but it gives me an out of memory error, and since I'm blind, I can't use my win95 startup disk to run rawrite...so I'm trying to make boot floppies via slackware.
15:43<picsou>i use a tnt2 video card with official driver 71.86, but my game test (warsow) is very slow.
15:43[~]Vanye laughs.
15:43<paenitens>to moze po polsku tez potrafisz mowic ? ;)
15:43<Eulex>!pl
15:43<dpkg>hmm... pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)
15:44<paenitens>dobra zdupczam
15:45<paenitens>milego wieczoru wam zycze panowie
15:45<paenitens>no i panie rowniez :)
15:45<paenitens>sadze ze ktokolwiek stąd mnie rozumie ale ok...
15:45<aricz>picsou.. cpu?
15:45<weasel>english.
15:45<paenitens>i know
15:45<paenitens>it's not for U ;)
15:45<weasel>then do as you know.
15:45<paenitens>bye..
15:45<picsou>athlon 2800+ @2Ghrz
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15:45<picsou>with kernel-k7
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15:47<Nemoder>tnt2 is a very old card
15:47<picsou>yes i broken my 6600gt
15:47<aricz>hoho.. ok, playing at 90fps with p4 1,4ghz .. geforce4 ti..
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15:47<picsou>with my tnt2, warsow work out 20-30 fps
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15:48<picsou>71.86, maybe very bad driver?
15:48<jthomas>a recent update stopped the auto-spellchecking in KMail, how do I reenable this?
15:49<college>HELP !!!!!!!!!! does the I love you virus effect LINUX ??????? i just opened it !!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
15:49<college>HELP !!!!!!!!!! does the I love you virus effect LINUX ??????? i just opened it !!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
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15:49<picsou>tnt2 work with window at 90 fps on q3a
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15:50<aricz>oh..
15:50<picsou>i will tri q3a on linux
15:50<aricz>try another driver
15:50<Nemoder>I was about to suggest that :)
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15:50<Nemoder>nvidia.com recommends 71.86 for tnt2
15:51<picsou>other driver say me "your gpu isn't support"
15:51<Nemoder>so that's probably the best driver to use
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15:51<college>well
15:51<picsou>i use it
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15:51<college>does the i love you virus effect linux?????
15:52<picsou>I will try my 9250 ati video card, some advise?
15:53<weasel>college: you should definitively try more question marks. A single one couldn't possibly suffice.
15:53<Nemoder>college: very few viruses affect linux, there are virus scanners though, try installing clamav
15:53<weasel>college: also, the ILOVEYOU worm was written in VBScript, so how would you have "opened" it?
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15:54<college>dos it effect linux, and when i opened it the drive went nuts. i think it was reading it
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15:56<college>weasel and nemoder yes i opened it
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15:56<college>%C8weasel and nemoder yes i opened it
15:57<college>i had the code to it
15:58<weasel>so?
15:58<weasel>there is a difference between open and execute
15:58<college>i coped it to openoffice and saved it and opened it
15:59<weasel>if it executed it then you are an idiot
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15:59<weasel>or a troll. or both.
15:59<weasel>have fun
15:59<college>will it efect my pc?
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15:59<college>effect
16:00<weasel>no. as effect is not a verb it can't possibly do that you see
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16:01<college>? effect is not a verb
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16:05<amilo>hi! i've got fujitsu amilo li 1705 with vt82xx soundcard with ubutnu but i cannot make my soundcard make sound... cannot hear anything... can anyone give ideas?
16:06<noflash>amilo, try #ubuntu on freenode
16:06<amilo>thanks
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16:09<JasonS>amazes me they even get ubuntu installed as apparently they cant read or write :)
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16:10<terma>Hello, does anyone know if the repos are still down? Seems like no updates here for a week or more.
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16:14<Maulkin>terma: They're not
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16:18<dondelelcaro>weasel: effect can be verb, actually.
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16:19<terma>Maulkin: That would explain why I couldn't find news about it, thanks.
16:20<weasel>dondelelcaro: shhhhhh :)
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16:20<dondelelcaro>weasel: heh
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16:20[~]dondelelcaro loves to verb nouns
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16:21<weasel>you'll burn in hell for that
16:21<dondelelcaro>though nouning verbs can be tricky
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16:22[~]Maulkin verbalises weasel
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16:37<college>how do i delete the i love you virus in linux ?????????????????????????????????
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16:37<JasonS>college: need to get your keyboard fixed as well?
16:38<JasonS>college: why? it cant affect you if you run linux
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16:38<college>i spilled beer on it
16:38<JasonS>been there done that
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16:39<college>do you know how to delete the i love you virus in linux
16:39<JasonS>college: why? it cant affect you in linux
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16:40<Maulkin>college: man rm.
16:40<college>it can.. i had the code to it and i was a dumb ass and opened in in open office
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16:41<Maulkin>or just delete the file it's in.
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16:41<Maulkin>college: it can't. We keep telling you this
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16:41<JasonS>college: its a windows virus
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16:42<college>can i email you ? and can you tell me if it sent you it ?
16:42<college>:) no stick
16:42<Maulkin>college: no, you can't. And it doesn't affect linux
16:42<JasonS>college: no, just delete it and go on being happy it cant infect/affect you
16:43<Maulkin>And emailing someone doesn't spread it.
16:43<JasonS>certainly not from a nix box
16:43<Maulkin>Even from a windows box :)
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16:44<college>ok thank you :)
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16:45<JasonS>i like the irc user who threatened to hack me and delete my c:\
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16:56<asch>I Would like to know if this card will work on my debian machine
16:56<asch>http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1115416906419&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=0641922279B10
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16:59<asch>need to know before buy;)
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16:59<asch>linksys website only contains drivers for windows
16:59<asch>crap
17:00<JasonS>of course they do
17:00<Maulkin>Well, that's useless.
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17:00<Maulkin>Their data sheet for that product shows it support star topology, but not the chipset
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17:02<Maulkin>asch: checking
17:02<grummund>Hi, Iceweasel complains about missing plugins - Java Runtime Environment, is there a debian package for this?
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17:04<dli_>!tell grummund about java
17:05<Maulkin>asch: depends what revision it is
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17:05<Maulkin>v1 may work.
17:05<Maulkin>v2 does.
17:05<Maulkin>v3 does, but it may not work fully, and may require manual tweaking
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17:05<chealer>grummund: yes
17:06<chealer>!tell grummund about java plugin
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17:06<asch>Maulkin: and a good alternative?
17:06<asch>better alternative;)
17:06<asch>suggestion?
17:07<Maulkin>asch: get a nice intel one
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17:10<Maulkin>Especially as the v3 of that card now uses realtek
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17:10<chealer>Maulkin: how is that a problem?
17:11<asch>any with that chipset is also good enough??
17:11<grummund>thanks guys, sun-java5-plugin sounds like what i need.
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17:12<chealer>asch: only Intel-s have Intel chipsets
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17:12<Maulkin>The realtek chipsets will probably work, if they get identified as realtek chipsets. However, realtek chipsets aren't very good...
17:12<Maulkin>They're cheap though
17:12<asch>lol
17:12<asch>agree
17:13<SRabbelier>Hey guys, I tried to find some sort of roadmap for the Debian releases, but couldn't find any. Is there a date/month planned for the next release?
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17:13<chealer>!tell SRabbelier about wwlr
17:13<weasel>!wir
17:13<dpkg>i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH
17:14<SRabbelier>liek duke nukem forever? ^^
17:14<weasel>exactly
17:14<chealer>SRabbelier: no, but seconf half of 2008
17:14<weasel>so end of 2008
17:14<Maulkin>I don't get why people spend thousands on a pro gaming system, but skimp and put and a 5 pound realtek...
17:14<weasel>and if it's 2009 I wouldn't mind either
17:14<SRabbelier>ok cool, thanks for the info ^^
17:15<weasel>heck, half my servers are still on sarge
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17:16<SRabbelier>Maulkin, same reason I have a high end system but crappy speakers?
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17:17<SRabbelier>Maulkin sometimes the people that live in your house would rather not have you blasting their ears with seas of sound ^^
17:17[~]Maulkin uses senheiser HD25s :)
17:17[~]SRabbelier grins and has good earphones too... although no senheiser 0.O
17:18<Maulkin>Well, I got them when I was working as a sound engineer :P
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17:18<SRabbelier>that's a good excuse
17:20[~]SRabbelier contemplates, format laptop and install Debian, or stay with crappy windows on laptop but don't risk breaking everything?
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17:22<Maulkin>SRabbelier: take live cd, see if it works.
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17:23<SRabbelier>Maulkin well, it'll probably run, but I'm worryign wether I can get SecureW2 working or not (which is what my uni uses to secure their network)
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17:24<asch>Maulkin: Intel PRO/1000
17:24<asch>€680
17:24<asch>oooh yes
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17:25<asch>sounds good but not for my pocket
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17:39<luciano_uisk>hi
17:39<luciano_uisk>i have 2 questions
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17:39<luciano_uisk>i dont know why, but when i want to change the resolution of my screen, X just block and i cant do anything
17:40<luciano_uisk>and is there a way to me edit the gnome menu?
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18:03<Error_X>How do I create folder links/shortcuts with the terminal?
18:03<barn>symlinks?
18:03<Error_X>yep
18:04<barn>ln -s /path/to/real/file /path/to/new/link
18:05<Error_X>thanks
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18:23<Shu>hmm....
18:23<Shu>when i try to start a GUI
18:23<Shu>i get the error that i cant find a screen
18:23<Shu>does anyone know what this means?
18:24<dondelelcaro>!drxx
18:24<dpkg>To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
18:24<dondelelcaro>Shu: generally that X isn't configured properly; run dpkg-reconfigure as given above.
18:24<witte>Shu: your X is not configured correctly
18:24<Shu>ah
18:24<chealer>!tell Shu about no screens found
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18:25<witte>chealer: :-)
18:27<dserban>hehe
18:27<dserban>infinite loop! Sechsi
18:27<Shu>is there a way to find what video card you have?
18:28<witte>Shu: lspci should show you htat
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18:29<chealer>dpkg: no, no screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or /var/log/XFree86.0.log for XFree86) more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x".
18:29<dpkg>okay, chealer
18:29<chealer>Shu: sorry, it looks like I broke the factoid. I just fixed it.
18:30<Shu>woohoo
18:30<Shu>it started
18:30<Shu>thanks
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18:41<Shu>O_o
18:41<Shu>i think i autocleaned xorg
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18:48<meandtheshell>why do I end up with lines 27-34 even if there is the setting for lines 7-10? http://rafb.net/p/X5BD6I42.html Is it because of line 20 which might override the eth1 with random randomly picked settings for eth0 since it is set after eth1? The machine in question is a notebook with one NIC.
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18:49<witte>meandtheshell: eth1 is not up
18:50<witte>meandtheshell: ifconfig eth1 up
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18:51<meandtheshell>I know its not up that's why I am asking. Why is eth0 up and not eth1?
18:51<meandtheshell>it should be up (lines 7-10) - no?
18:52<witte>meandtheshell: well, it is line 3 that says it should be up automatically, and 7-10 to configure it
18:52<meandtheshell>yeah well ...
18:52<witte>meandtheshell: but i did not know that you could put two devices behind the auto command (although that wouldn't surprise me if it is so)
18:53<meandtheshell>sure you can
18:53<witte>meandtheshell: what does dmesg tell you
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18:55<witte>meandtheshell: and if you put eth1 up yourself, does it work?
18:55<meandtheshell>tons of iptables stuff but nothing about eth?
18:55<meandtheshell>will, try now - sec
18:56<witte>meandtheshell: it could be that your nic gets the eth0 name, and not the eth1?
18:57<meandtheshell>pc1:/home/sa# ifconfig eth1 up
18:57<meandtheshell>eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
18:57<meandtheshell>pc1:/home/sa#
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18:57<meandtheshell>sigh
18:58<meandtheshell>well, I am going to adjust /etc/network/interfaces to eth0 now anyways
18:58<witte>meandtheshell: ok, what if you just configure udev to give the mac address of that card the eth1 name
18:58<meandtheshell>see if that has an impact
18:58<witte>meandtheshell: that is also a possibility
18:58<witte>why did you choose it to be eth1? or was it the installer that did this
18:59<meandtheshell>to be honest, I installed this machine 7 years ago .... I have no idea :)
19:00<witte>what changed, because i suppose that the machine worked for 7 years :-)
19:00<Maulkin>!z25
19:00<dpkg>hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory.
19:01<meandtheshell>well, all works fine - thing is, I need to use this machine to access my new switch so these two need be in the same net ie 255.255.255.0 and therefore I need some IP for the eth? which is in the same net than the IP of the switch 192.168.0.1
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19:02<meandtheshell>I wanted to set the IP of this notebook to 192.168.0.10 which would be the same net but as can be seen from the post above, I am dealing with some weird IPv6 on eth0 :)
19:03<meandtheshell>I guess pppoeconf which I did a few years ago messed up my sane settings
19:04<witte>meandtheshell: I just think that your system initiates eth0, but not eth1, so there si no eth1 that can get an IP, that's all
19:04<witte>meandtheshell: or you can change the two eth1's in the interface to eth0, or you can change the z25 file in a way as Maulkin indicated
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19:05<meandtheshell>yep - probably ... whatever, me and Emacs/Tramp are going to hammer the bug out of this thingy right now
19:05<witte>meandtheshell: also note that you have network mask 255.
19:05<witte>255.0.0
19:06<meandtheshell>well, I don't need eth1 anyways so I will replace it with eth0
19:06<witte>and not 255.255.255.0 as whould be more normal for that range
19:06<meandtheshell>yep, the netmask
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19:07<witte>meandtheshell: and i also tend to give the gateway, but i am not sure that is needed
19:08<meandtheshell>as far as I know only address and netmask is mandatory but sure, gateway makes sense
19:09<meandtheshell>in fact, I must have been drunk when I wrote this /etc/network/interfaces back then ... wtf :)
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19:11<meandtheshell>ok, thx folks - will go away now to test the new settings
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19:35<miguel>\list
19:36<meandtheshel1>witte: just fyi ... http://rafb.net/p/eVZPIu37.html did the trick
19:37<meandtheshel1>I didn't have to touch anything but ../interfaces
19:37<witte>meandtheshel1: nice
19:38<meandtheshel1>yep ... lol, but still that damn new switch won't show his guts to me when I try to go in via webinterface on 192.168.0.1
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19:39<witte>are you sure that it is on 192.168.0.1? I have one that is on 254
19:40<witte>I needed a long time to figure that out, as it wasn't documented
19:40<meandtheshel1>guess what, that's what I am googling right now :)
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19:40<witte>i had no internet at that moment, needed a for loop with pings
19:40<witte>takes a long time to reach 254
19:41<witte>as it didn't reply to a broadcast ping
19:41<meandtheshel1>nah ... will fire up wireshark or even better nmap
19:41<meandtheshel1>good catch, I might try the broadcast ... sec.
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20:02<meandtheshel1>witte: listen, this is to good to be true. Guess what the issue was ... you got three tries :)
20:02<meandtheshel1>Hint: think of the most obvious that some dude could possible not think of
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20:10<witte>meandtheshel1: the cable was not connected?
20:10<meandtheshel1>nope - even better - you got two left :)
20:11<witte>no power?
20:11<dwu>There -was- no cable *nod*
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20:11<meandtheshel1>one left :)
20:11[~]meandtheshel1 note to self ... do check firewall rules ;-]
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20:11<witte>well, don't know, it was not 192.168.0 but 192.168.1
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20:12<meandtheshel1>nope, the firewall blocked attempts to connect to the switch
20:13<witte>ah, ok was writing while you typed that comment
20:13<witte>well, that can happen :d
20:13<meandtheshel1>happens to often ... that the problem :)
20:13<meandtheshel1>that's
20:13<witte>it only costed you half an hour to find it :-)
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20:14<dwu>OSI layer troubleshooting. It's always worth doing. *nod*
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20:16<Christmas>is there a tool to split theora video files?
20:16<Christmas>vcut doesn't seem to work on them
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20:17<meandtheshel1>Christmas: ffmpeg
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20:17<Christmas>ty i'll try that
20:18<meandtheshel1>Christmas: yep - you know it's a CLI utility yes?
20:18<meandtheshel1>try man ffmpeg
20:18<Christmas>yes, no problem i prefer cli
20:18[~]meandtheshel1 nods
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20:39<vook>Is gnome-cups-manager, as designed, unable to allow the user to change the name of a printer?
20:39<vook>or root for that matter...
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20:41<speakfor>hey what does the dns-nameservers and the dns-search option do in /etc/network/interfaces
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20:55<gsimmons>speakfor: See /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz.
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20:58<Gonza>hola
20:58<Gonza>como va?
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20:58<Gonza>hablan español?
20:58<oxymor00n>no
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21:24<Jackjiang>test
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21:45<thomas>i give my place
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21:49<zangetsu>hi
21:50<zangetsu>where i can find the documentation of initramfs ¿? in my repository is not found
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21:53<gsimmons>zangetsu: See Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt in your kernel's source package, or <http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs>.
21:54<zangetsu>gsimmons , ok , i understanding thanks for your help
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21:56<Xenguy>heh, #ubuntu this ain't... =)
21:56<Xenguy>oops
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21:58<Netsia>#Debian
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22:22<spuddogg>Can anyone here help me out? I'm trying to get my new Debian install to recognize my Intel integrated NIC
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22:24<gsimmons>spuddogg: Which model do you have? Common ones are ipw2200 or ipw3945.
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22:24<spuddogg>gsimmons, it's the 3945
22:25<gsimmons>!ipw3945
22:25<dpkg>If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d".
22:27<spuddogg>dpkg, cool thanks. i was just reading that on a website, but i couldn't figure out why the repos didn't have them...i forgot to add contrib and non-free. thanks!
22:29<spuddogg>dpkg, what is the command to load the module? or should i just reboot?
22:29<dpkg>spuddogg: what are you talking about?
22:30<spuddogg>dpkg, you just told me what to do to get my 3945 working, so i was thanking you, thats all
22:30<gsimmons>spuddogg: dpkg is a bot. You'd want to use the "modprobe ipw3945" command to load your module.
22:30[~]dwu giggles
22:30<spuddogg>oh, my bad, lol
22:31<spuddogg>im a little slow sometimes, christ :(
22:31<amphi>spuddogg: you may also need to start the daemon
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22:33<abrotman>!hug dwu
22:33[~]dpkg wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around dwu
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22:34<gsimmons>amphi, spuddogg: The regulatory daemon (should) start/stop when the ipw3945 module is inserted/removed respectively. This fails wrt hibernation, IIRC.
22:34<dwu>GAH
22:35<amphi>gsimmons: really? the module starts the daemon?
22:35<gsimmons>amphi: Yep.
22:35<gsimmons>!ipw3945 reload
22:35<dpkg>the ipw3945 module and regulatory daemon need to be restarted when you change settings or come back up from suspend. The ipw3945d daemon is stopped when you remove the module and started when it's reinserted: modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945; don't use rmmod as it leaves the regulatory daemon running and the card confused.
22:35<amphi>damn
22:35<dwu>abrotman: what do you want? :(
22:35[~]abrotman waves
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22:36<amphi>gsimmons: thanks
22:36<gsimmons>amphi: np
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22:36<dwu>abrotman: Why are you waving? This worries and confuses me :(
22:36<abrotman>greets!
22:36<abrotman>though i am going to bed soon i think
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22:37<ameyer__>!stab ameyer's new tv
22:37[~]dpkg runs at ameyer's new tv with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
22:38<dwu>abrotman: nini.
22:38<abrotman>not yet!
22:38<abrotman>ameyer__: now you broke it!
22:38<ameyer__>I've seriously got Fox's audio over NBC's picture
22:38<ameyer__>more annoying than it sounds
22:38<dwu>abrotman: nini!
22:39<abrotman>hehe
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22:39<abrotman>ameyer: they merged
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23:31<ben1597>I've got a small problem for which I can't find a solution on the tubes: I'm running lenny and can't get the gnome clock / time administration tool to realize that ntp is installed.
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23:34<ben1597>ntpd is running, but the adjust date/time widget will not allow me to change the the checkbox value.
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23:36<Alam_Debian>ben1597, so, you installed the ntp package, correct?
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23:36<ben1597>of course. /etc/init.d/ntp start; ps -A | grep ntpd
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23:38<ben1597>I have tried all combinations of ntp and ntpdate (yup; all four)
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23:42<Alam_Debian>hmm, it works for me, do I remember a time it did not work, are you using Etch or Testing?
23:43<ben1597>Alam_Debian: nope. using Lenny (it is the only entry I have in sources.list)
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23:43<ben1597>Alam_Debian: I meant: yes; using testing.
23:43<Alam_Debian>wait, I thought Le... yea
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23:48<ben1597>Alam_Debian: I think there may be some sort of permission issues involved
23:48<Alam_Debian>so check /etc/ntp.conf ?
23:49<ben1597>Alam_Debian: for..?
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23:50<ben1597>Alam_Debian: I mean that it seems like I can control the checkbox value in the widget by starting/stopping ntp, but the setting does not register
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23:59<ben1597>k. thx. I think I'll do some surgery starting with dpkg --purge gnome-panel
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