Back to Home / #debian / 2007 / 11 / Prev Day | Next Day
#debian IRC Logs for 2007-11-30

---Logopened Fri Nov 30 00:00:05 2007
---Daychanged Fri Nov 30 2007
00:00<dli>!cn
00:00<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
00:00<dwu>Welp, not so much copied as "instantly exists" then.
00:00<supercat>Thanks
00:00<alaya>ah nice
00:00<alaya>i really need to get in the habit of trying to update/create factoids
00:00|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.203.54] has joined #debian
00:00<simonrvn>ugh that factoid wasn't copied in to utf-8
00:01<supercat>bye ..
00:02<dwu>alaya: why create? I get update... but why explicitly create?
00:02<dwu>simonrvn: EDIT!
00:02<simonrvn>wouldn't know what to put otherwise i would
00:02<alaya>dwu: only create if not already exist
00:03<dwu>alaya: Yes, that's my point. What -sort- of factoid to create, etc.?
00:03<dwu>Factoids for the sake of factoids, ew.
00:03|-|college [~college@76.226.22.111] has joined #debian
00:04|-|muammar [muammar@190.74.205.44] has quit [Quit: imagine a big red swirl here..!]
00:04<college>did that a kill guy wright code that effects linux???
00:05<simonrvn>what?
00:06<college>http://www.cnn.com/TECH/
00:06[~]simonrvn yawns
00:06<college>its some bad stuff
00:08|-|oberon [~oberon@f048010117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:08<college>how can i look for hackers of apps that someone might of put on my pc?
00:09|-|cnzzzcn [~cnzzzcn@220.181.56.2] has quit [Quit: leaving]
00:09<alaya>interesting discussion about Readyboost and Linux: http://suseforums.net/lofiversion/index.php/t23890.html
00:09<dli>college, try chkrootkit rkhunter
00:09<alaya>simply allocating a usb drive as swap is not the same as what readyboost does
00:10<alaya>"When part of the running application is swapped out, memory that is swapped in on demand is mostly small blocks from random locations. Most of the time of the HDD is wasted on the seeking while swapping. So while USB storage has slower throughput, it has near zero seeking time, so total performance becomes faster."
00:11<simonrvn>college: dude, they're (mostly) talking about windows boxen
00:11|-|ptr [~ptr@Harkness-248.resnet.brown.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:11<simonrvn>college: what linuxen have to be careful of is rootkits
00:12<college>linuxen root kits?
00:12<simonrvn>dwu: how about *you* fix the factoid? ;)
00:13<dwu>simonrvn: I don't know what the factoid was trying to say either, and fuck if I'm hunting down the glyphs.
00:14<simonrvn>too mangled to do much with
00:19|-|ptr [~ptr@Harkness-248.resnet.brown.edu] has joined #debian
00:19|-|matthewpoer [~matthew@76.97.29.29] has joined #debian
00:20<infinitycircuit>does anyone know if a kernel being compiled to optimize battery life should have no forced preemption enabled or low-latency preemption enabled?
00:20|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.203.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:21<simonrvn>ᐌᓚᓕ
00:21<matthewpoer>I'm attempting to connect my Etch system to my blackberry, but it seems impossible to pair the devices together. I have set the passkey in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf as well as /etc/bluetooth/pin. Still they cannot connect.
00:23|-|erich_ [~erich@customers.uphi.net] has joined #debian
00:23|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:23<alaya>infinitycircuit: can any kernel customizations really have any significant effect on battery life over many of the more obvious system optimizations?
00:23<erich_>Hey guys, what's the easiest way to install pidgin?
00:23<dli>!tell erich_ about backport
00:24|-|supercat [~chatzilla@220.181.56.2] has left #debian []
00:24<alaya>infinitycircuit: e.g. installing laptop-mode-tools, powersaved, turning off unnecessary services, etc.?
00:25|-|egon_spengler [~egon_spen@pool-71-98-83-191.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #debian
00:26<erich_>Cheers dli
00:26|-|egon_spengler [~egon_spen@pool-71-98-83-191.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit []
00:26<infinitycircuit>alaya, yes, the 2.6.24-rc2 kernels and newer produce serious power improvements. the group scheduler and the introduction of the steinberg and pallipadi hpet patches into the mainline
00:27<infinitycircuit>have greatly reduced wattage output
00:27<infinitycircuit>alaya, incidentally, powersaved and other userspace daemons are less efficient than the kernel's ondemand governor
00:28<dwu>And... someone's -pasting-... *grin*
00:28<dwu>(kidding.)
00:28<alaya>infinitycircuit: i see. i didn't know that. guess i might wait for the new kernel version/features to trickle down into debian
00:28<infinitycircuit>dwu, if i was pasting i would probably have a source that would answer my question in the same place haha
00:29|-|erich_ [~erich@customers.uphi.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
00:30<alaya>infinitycircuit: btw, my biggest power-related issue is suspend crashing the box :-( always afraid to try new kernels for that reason.
00:33|-|sidnei [~sidnei@200.165.205.180] has joined #debian
00:36|-|internat85 [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #debian
00:37<sidnei>ola
00:37|-|sidnei [~sidnei@200.165.205.180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
00:37<internat85>anyone know of a very lightweight proxy that i can put on port 80 to forward requests for either tomcat or apache to the respective machines.. filtering based on hostname? so i can set which host goes to which machine?
00:37|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.203.54] has joined #debian
00:39|-|matthewpoer [~matthew@76.97.29.29] has left #debian [Kopete 0.12.3 : http://kopete.kde.org]
00:48|-|JUDE [~mytc11@60.52.24.113] has joined #debian
00:48<JUDE>hai
00:48|-|Giraffu [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
00:48|-|JUDE [~mytc11@60.52.24.113] has quit []
00:51<college>google it
00:51<college>google works well
00:52|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
00:53|-|predder [~predder@70.55.220.203.static.comindico.com.au] has quit [Quit: OMFG RUN!]
00:54|-|screenn [~screenn@92.113.22.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:55|-|Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:57<college>hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa ROOT KIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS TIEM TO KILL IT !!!!!!!!!!
00:57<dwu>FFS.
00:59|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: http://remood.sf.net/]
00:59|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
01:01<college>HOW DO I INSTALL TAR.GZ FILES
01:01<college>IN THE TERMINAL
01:02<k-man>turn caps lock off and I'll tell you
01:02<college>k
01:02<k-man>do you mean you want to extract a tar.gz?
01:03<college>yes
01:03<college>:)
01:03<k-man>tar tzvf file.tar.gz
01:03|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit []
01:03<k-man>sorry
01:03|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has joined #debian
01:03<k-man>i mean
01:03<k-man>tar xzvf file.tar.gz
01:03<college>:)
01:05|-|panagos [~panagos@adsl32-129.lsf.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:05|-|panagos [panagos@adsl32-129.lsf.forthnet.gr] has joined #debian
01:06|-|damejiar [damejiar@190.53.127.252] has joined #debian
01:07|-|claudio [~claudio@fullplanet-aurelio.chileweb.cl] has joined #debian
01:07|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
01:07|-|claudio changed nick to Guest138
01:08<k-man>i did tell you
01:08<k-man>tar xzvf file.tar.gz
01:08<k-man>college, man tar
01:09<college>o thank you
01:09|-|screenn [~screenn@92.113.8.112] has joined #debian
01:09|-|esaym [~user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:12|-|college [~college@76.226.22.111] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
01:12|-|ameyer [~cheesebon@adsl-76-223-161-234.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:15|-|cjmrdc [cjmrdc@c-68-59-43-126.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:15|-|cjmrdc [cjmrdc@c-68-59-43-126.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #debian
01:16|-|nishi [~nishiishi@70.122.46.143] has joined #debian
01:17|-|Guest138 [~claudio@fullplanet-aurelio.chileweb.cl] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
01:18|-|nishi [~nishiishi@70.122.46.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:18|-|weechat2 [~Stoffe@c80-217-73-157.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:25|-|infinitycircuit [~dmoerner@ppp-71-139-7-39.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:26|-|obelix_10 [~manuel@pc-142-96-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
01:28|-|Requiem [~KC@c-98-202-11-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
01:28|-|miteMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #debian
01:28<Requiem>How do I file bug reports? I seem to have a data destruction bug in lenny
01:28|-|maxamillion [~adam@166.128.170.3] has quit [Quit: night!]
01:29<gsimmons>!tell Requiem -about reportbug
01:29<Requiem>thanks
01:32<Requiem>hmm, hold off on reporting it until I'm sure just which parts of the bug are caused by this source
01:33|-|miteyMite [~mitey@ip24-255-223-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:35|-|ray [~ray@189.153.88.121] has joined #debian
01:36|-|ray [~ray@189.153.88.121] has left #debian []
01:37|-|damejiar [damejiar@190.53.127.252] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
01:37|-|zjason___ [~changcs@59-104-138-128.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:41|-|BBoy [~BBoy@61.150.47.52] has joined #debian
01:41|-|asma_ [~asma@116.71.176.222] has joined #debian
01:43|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:43|-|shardzez [~kt@dblt-216-227-25-179.gtcom.net] has joined #debian
01:47|-|BBoy [~BBoy@61.150.47.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
01:48|-|asma [~asma@116.71.176.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:52|-|WEL [~mytc04@60.52.24.113] has joined #debian
01:52<WEL>ghhgertrytty
01:52<WEL>kjhgjkh
01:53|-|WEL [~mytc04@60.52.24.113] has quit []
01:54|-|mytc [~mytc03@60.52.24.113] has joined #debian
01:55<mytc>J
01:55<streuner_>
01:55|-|mytc [~mytc03@60.52.24.113] has quit []
01:57|-|WEL [~mytc04@60.52.24.113] has joined #debian
01:57<WEL>anybody home
01:58<WEL>dfgdggddddddgggdfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff?????????????????
01:58|-|WEL [~mytc04@60.52.24.113] has quit []
02:02|-|kmap [~kumar@203.199.213.130] has joined #debian
02:03|-|e-Flex [~e@90-224-117-247-no111.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: iQuit]
02:04|-|LiciaMmh [~LiciaMmh@host35-133-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
02:04|-|LiciaMmh [~LiciaMmh@host35-133-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
02:04|-|zjason [~changcs@211-74-12-145.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has joined #debian
02:06|-|chealer [~chealer@205.205.252.150] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
02:06|-|saapaz [~saapas@hoas-fe18dd00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:06|-|saapas [~saapas@hoas-fe18dd00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #debian
02:06|-|LiciaMmh [~LiciaMmh@host35-133-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
02:07|-|sobakasu [~sobakasu@pptp-212-201-70-175.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has joined #debian
02:07|-|chealer [~chealer@205.205.252.150] has joined #debian
02:09|-|LiciaMmh [~LiciaMmh@host35-133-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
02:09|-|k-man [~jason@ppp244-232.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
02:15|-|freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
02:17|-|matta [~matt@bas2-kingston08-1128671481.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
02:19|-|Corrine [~KC@c-98-202-11-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #debian
02:19|-|Requiem [~KC@c-98-202-11-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host]
02:20|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has joined #debian
02:22|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.203.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:23|-|mode/#debian [+l 276] by debhelper
02:24|-|nd [~andreas@e176196004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:29|-|vcbrad [~vcbrad@pD9505BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
02:30|-|streuner_ [~streuner@p54A5E408.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
02:33|-|JoY [~JoY@151.13.132.130] has joined #debian
02:33|-|JoY changed nick to JoY_
02:33|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
02:37|-|vcbrad [~vcbrad@pD9505BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
02:38|-|Dargor [~stephen@125-236-157-220.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #debian
02:38|-|sergio [~sergio@189.155.150.131] has joined #debian
02:38|-|sergio [~sergio@189.155.150.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:39|-|Dargor [~stephen@125-236-157-220.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:39|-|[gloom] [~6EQUJ5@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-28-142.westend.de] has joined #debian
02:40|-|streuner [~streuner@p54A5E408.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
02:40|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.203.54] has joined #debian
02:40|-|rmayorga [rmayorga@168.243.84.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:41|-|sobakasu [~sobakasu@pptp-212-201-70-175.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has quit [Quit: Macht's euch nett, sonst macht's euch keiner!]
02:42|-|screenn [~screenn@92.113.8.112] has quit [Quit: ушел ]
02:42|-|annon-a-user [~annon-a-u@ip68-5-196-72.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #debian
02:42|-|screenn [~screenn@92.113.8.112] has joined #debian
02:43|-|mire [~mire@220-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has joined #debian
02:43|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.203.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:44|-|rmayorga [rmayorga@168.243.84.131] has joined #debian
02:45|-|screenn [~screenn@92.113.8.112] has quit []
02:45|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.203.54] has joined #debian
02:45|-|screenn [~screenn@92.113.8.112] has joined #debian
02:46|-|nowhere_man [~pierre@sriat01.u-strasbg.fr] has joined #debian
02:46|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.203.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:48|-|screenn [~screenn@92.113.8.112] has quit []
02:48|-|Samba [~Samba@91.66.14.2] has joined #debian
02:49|-|annon-a-user [~annon-a-u@ip68-5-196-72.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
02:54|-|linux7 [~linux7@125.60.243.55] has joined #debian
02:54<linux7>hi po
02:54<linux7>elllow
02:55|-|linux7 [~linux7@125.60.243.55] has quit []
02:56|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-80-193.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
02:57|-|irinka [~irinka@pth10.jinr.ru] has joined #debian
02:57|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-80-193.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:57|-|irinka [~irinka@pth10.jinr.ru] has quit []
02:57|-|irinka [~irinka@pth10.jinr.ru] has joined #debian
02:58|-|irinka [~irinka@pth10.jinr.ru] has quit []
02:59|-|MoDaX [~nth@lan-84-240-22-131.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
02:59|-|MoDaX [~nth@lan-84-240-22-131.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #debian
03:00|-|dwu [~dwu@cm164.sigma194.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:00|-|dwu [~dwu@cm164.sigma194.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #debian
03:01|-|dwu [~dwu@cm164.sigma194.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:01|-|dwu [~dwu@cm164.sigma194.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #debian
03:02|-|dwu [~dwu@cm164.sigma194.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:02|-|dwu [~dwu@cm164.sigma194.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #debian
03:02|-|witte [~witte@kotnet-150.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:04|-|Joris_ [joris@082-146-097-004.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:04|-|rodnet [~rodnet@70.230.180.211] has joined #debian
03:04<rodnet>rc.efnet.net
03:05<rodnet>ne one here using an ati card with etch?
03:06|-|rodnet [~rodnet@70.230.180.211] has quit []
03:10|-|panagos [panagos@adsl32-129.lsf.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:10|-|panagos [panagos@adsl32-129.lsf.forthnet.gr] has joined #debian
03:10|-|Joris [joris@082-146-097-004.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has joined #debian
03:11|-|nurbs [~nurbs@194.186.147.18] has joined #debian
03:11|-|nurbs [~nurbs@194.186.147.18] has quit []
03:11|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
03:11<alaya>i use ati
03:12|-|nurbs [~nurbs@194.186.147.18] has joined #debian
03:15|-|nurbs [~nurbs@194.186.147.18] has quit []
03:22|-|thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179016130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
03:27|-|freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
03:27|-|nOp [~xxxx@77.200.113.96] has joined #debian
03:29|-|_slacker_ [~mauro@84.77.241.33] has joined #debian
03:29|-|_slacker_ [~mauro@84.77.241.33] has quit []
03:31|-|nd [~andreas@e176210214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
03:32|-|Hanyyy [~Hanie@125.164.121.194] has joined #debian
03:33|-|mode/#debian [+l 282] by debhelper
03:33<Hanyyy>haiiiii
03:34<[gloom]>hi
03:36|-|profe [~profe@212.145.188.121] has joined #debian
03:38|-|MY [~MY@202.122.13.220] has joined #debian
03:38|-|pedro [~pedro@pas38-2-82-224-180-170.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
03:39|-|pedro [~pedro@pas38-2-82-224-180-170.fbx.proxad.net] has quit []
03:40|-|MY [~MY@202.122.13.220] has quit []
03:40|-|co_biaza [~MY@202.122.13.220] has joined #debian
03:40|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-80-193.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
03:41|-|profe [~profe@212.145.188.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
03:42|-|Corrine [~KC@c-98-202-11-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Seeing my great fault/ Through darkening blue windows/ I begin again]
03:44|-|Anyuska [~amour@217.216.58.237.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
03:44|-|Anyuska [~amour@217.216.58.237.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit []
03:46<Hanyyy>haiiiii
03:47<Hanyyy>haiiiii
03:47<kmap>Hanyyy: While it's good custom to greet people, please do keep the noise down. :-)
03:48<Hanyyy>haiiii
03:50|-|wolog [~wolog@81.56.185.160] has joined #debian
03:50|-|ralf [~ralf@pdbfw01.securecomputing.com] has joined #debian
03:56|-|Hanyyy [~Hanie@125.164.121.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:01|-|tiny [~tiny@tm.213.143.88.152.dc.telemach.net] has joined #debian
04:01|-|war [war@ritalin.simplylinux.org] has joined #debian
04:04|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:04|-|ralf [~ralf@pdbfw01.securecomputing.com] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
04:05|-|tjol_ [someone@pD9E3223C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
04:05|-|matysek [~matysek@87.244.220.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
04:05|-|matysecek [~matysek@87.244.220.26] has joined #debian
04:05|-|matysecek [~matysek@87.244.220.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:07|-|andrej [andrej@212.235.178.132] has joined #debian
04:08<Ikarus>okay, who killed djb, admit it, it was one of you :P
04:10<andrej>hello! may i install subtitleedito which is under gnome tab i use kde and there is ksubtitle and does not support my subs so my question is if subtibleeditor for gnome will work for me in kde ?
04:10|-|bassie [~bassie@d51A57A13.access.telenet.be] has joined #debian
04:10<Ikarus>andrej: sure
04:10<Ikarus>subtitleeditor has some minor bugs though, be aware
04:11|-|giuian [~giuian@host165-120-static.75-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
04:11<andrej>ok
04:11<andrej>thx
04:12<andrej>what kind of bugs if you know (don't bother to search) ?
04:12|-|tjol [someone@pD9E3223C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:13<Ikarus>andrej: you might not notice them, but occaisionally property saving goes wrong
04:13|-|Giraffu [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:14|-|ruiping [~ruiping@218.28.8.101] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:14|-|craigevil [~craigevil@96.144.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:15<andrej>ok thx!
04:16<dwu>Killed DKJB?
04:16<dwu>Er, DJB.
04:17|-|tiCo changed nick to Shoco
04:18|-|panagos [panagos@adsl32-129.lsf.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:18|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
04:19|-|madrescher [~hkunz@80-218-159-224.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
04:23|-|madrescher [~hkunz@80-218-159-224.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #debian []
04:29|-|ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has joined #debian
04:34|-|varun [~varun@203.199.213.67] has joined #debian
04:37|-|bizio [~bizio@host127-218-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
04:38|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
04:38|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
04:38|-|administrator [~administr@213.5.17.216] has joined #debian
04:38<administrator>hi!
04:38|-|administrator changed nick to aniac
04:38|-|cloud [~Miranda@195.145.167.2] has joined #debian
04:39<aniac>can smb help me about installing maven in ubuntu plz?
04:39<gsimmons>!ubuntu
04:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
04:40<aniac>ok guys, thnx!
04:40<aniac>hmmm don't know so much about lnx, although I like it ...
04:41<aniac>but I think ubuntu is the best of "user friendly" lite distros....
04:41|-|pos [~mark@89.130.6.136] has joined #debian
04:41<aniac>isn't that?
04:41<dwu>#ubuntu.
04:43|-|mode/#debian [+l 289] by debhelper
04:43<aniac>dwu thnx, I already joined there... the question was general about lnx distributions... not nessecarily for ubuntu
04:43|-|bizio [~bizio@host127-218-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via]
04:43<dwu>##linux, #linux. Whatevs. And spell "linux" in full. And "thanks". And "somebody". And "please".
04:43|-|andrej [andrej@212.235.178.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:44|-|Nadare [~erratium8@static-213-115-152-212.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:44<aniac>Okay, thanks!
04:45|-|padski [~padski@ip-81-1-111-14.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #debian
04:47|-|trueno [~trueno@84.76.233.2] has joined #debian
04:47|-|LiciaMmh [~LiciaMmh@host35-133-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
04:47<trueno>Hi! Is there a way to change a .deb package dependencies?
04:47|-|LiciaMmh [~LiciaMmh@host35-133-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
04:49<padski>trueno: for why ?
04:50<BoBo>what is name paket for webmin ?
04:50<BoBo>for install webmin ?
04:50<gsimmons>!tell BoBo -about webmin
04:50<padski>BoBo: webmin isn't packaged in debian at this time, but the upstream does a .seb package
04:50<padski>s/.seb/.deb/
04:53|-|aniac [~administr@213.5.17.216] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
04:53|-|tombs [~tombs@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #debian
04:55|-|themill [~stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk] has joined #debian
04:58|-|cek [~cek@89.130.6.136] has joined #debian
04:58|-|cek [~cek@89.130.6.136] has left #debian []
04:59|-|joesph-x [~joesph@p50814746.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
05:00|-|sinterklaas [bas-irc@87.238.170.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:01|-|peppe [~peppe@81-208-83-248.fastres.net] has joined #debian
05:03|-|ifvoid [bas-irc@87.238.170.25] has joined #debian
05:03|-|ifvoid changed nick to sinterklaas
05:04|-|giuian [~giuian@host165-120-static.75-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:08|-|sangeetha [~sangeetha@203.129.255.178] has joined #debian
05:09<trueno>padski: because I need tripod and it does not work with libgpod2 but libgpod3
05:11|-|quick [~home-note@213.211.44.190] has quit [Quit: Koncim]
05:11|-|RaSeBo|afk [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has joined #debian
05:12|-|matysek [~matysek@87.244.220.26] has joined #debian
05:15|-|Jancker [~darkness@host185-237-static.55-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
05:15|-|Jancker [~darkness@host185-237-static.55-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has left #debian []
05:16|-|co_biaza [~MY@202.122.13.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
05:17|-|RaSeBo|afk changed nick to RaSeBo
05:24|-|szecsi2 [~szecsi2@nec20.iit.uni-miskolc.hu] has joined #debian
05:24|-|szecsi2 [~szecsi2@nec20.iit.uni-miskolc.hu] has quit []
05:26|-|prahal [~prahal@88.166.184.3] has joined #debian
05:27<padski>trueno: this is the package in unstable ? it seems to depend on both
05:28|-|dabtari [~dabtari@chello062178217195.11.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #debian
05:28<padski>or is that different versions on different arches ?
05:28|-|foolano [~magnetic@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
05:28<trueno>padski: I see, I got an email from the maintainer saying so :-))
05:29|-|dabtari [~dabtari@chello062178217195.11.15.vie.surfer.at] has left #debian []
05:30<trueno>padski: however, he says they are making the transition
05:30|-|kmap [~kumar@203.199.213.130] has quit [Quit: "Bye for now..."]
05:30|-|Eulex [~alex@87-76-57-168.event.dreamhack.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:32<trueno>gotta go, bye!
05:32|-|trueno [~trueno@84.76.233.2] has left #debian []
05:40|-|seaLne [~seaLne@selkie.duffus.org] has joined #debian
05:41|-|Aicart [~aideb@27.Red-83-35-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
05:42<seaLne>http://people.debian.org/~lolando/sfdlr.php seems to have disapeared is the correct thing for debian/watch with sf.net based projects to use http://sf.net/project project-([\d.]*).tar.gz ?
05:44|-|melz [~melz@124.148.52.61] has joined #debian
05:48|-|swo [~swo@p579B2F79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
05:48|-|varun [~varun@203.199.213.67] has quit [Quit: "Bye for now..."]
05:51|-|nitiniu [~mirshafie@84-217-171-248.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #debian
05:52|-|seaLne [~seaLne@selkie.duffus.org] has left #debian []
05:54|-|ernesto [ernesto@200.93.93.29] has joined #debian
05:55|-|mirshafie [~mirshafie@84-217-22-245.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
05:56|-|slaxz [~slaxz@p54B45124.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
05:59|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
05:59|-|DarkX [~DarkX@ip70-181-154-127.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:03|-|screenn [~screenn@92.113.8.112] has joined #debian
06:04|-|dad [~dad@CPE-124-182-146-173.sa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #debian
06:04|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
06:07|-|dad [~dad@CPE-124-182-146-173.sa.bigpond.net.au] has quit []
06:09|-|[gloom] [~6EQUJ5@dynamic-unidsl-85-197-28-142.westend.de] has quit [Quit: Looking for a CInternalPeace *peace=Peacefactory.getnew();]
06:09|-|padski [~padski@ip-81-1-111-14.cust.homechoice.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:10|-|slaxz [~slaxz@p54B45124.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:11|-|madrescher [~hkunz@fw.cluster.ailab.ch] has joined #debian
06:11|-|madrescher [~hkunz@fw.cluster.ailab.ch] has left #debian []
06:12|-|b2bx [~david@189-29-19-25-ar.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #debian
06:12|-|fresh_oyster [~ford@p5080E9E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
06:15|-|Caino [~DarkLAB@host240-167-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:17|-|algot [~algot@201-14-171-239.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
06:17|-|bkrystek [~bkrystek@91.196.28.191] has joined #debian
06:19|-|bkrystek [~bkrystek@91.196.28.191] has quit []
06:21|-|VDodi [~varga42@nec29.iit.uni-miskolc.hu] has joined #debian
06:21|-|dutche [~dutche@200.169.133.98] has joined #debian
06:21|-|dutche- [~dutche@200.169.133.98] has joined #debian
06:23|-|mode/#debian [+l 296] by debhelper
06:23|-|b2bx [~david@189-29-19-25-ar.cpe.vivax.com.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
06:26|-|referi [~referi@inet-out.dsl-nat.sura.ru] has joined #debian
06:28|-|Samba [~Samba@91.66.14.2] has quit [Quit: $ shutdown -h now]
06:29|-|Galufa [~atdint@d83-180-232-190.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #debian
06:32|-|melz [~melz@124.148.52.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:32|-|kartik [~kart_@202.189.249.206] has left #debian [\|^^|/]
06:34|-|vnode [~oberon@f048010117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
06:35|-|Galufa [~atdint@d83-180-232-190.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:36|-|dani [~dani@212-41-114-124.adsl.solnet.ch] has joined #debian
06:37|-|VDodi [~varga42@nec29.iit.uni-miskolc.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:38|-|mire [~mire@220-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:39|-|dani [~dani@212-41-114-124.adsl.solnet.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
06:39|-|matysecek [~matysek@213.151.202.192] has joined #debian
06:41|-|oxymor00n [~sec@83-215-41-131.bruck.dyn.salzburg-online.at] has joined #debian
06:42|-|freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
06:42|-|tonyk11 [~tony@adsl-074-167-000-112.sip.mcn.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
06:42|-|matysek [~matysek@87.244.220.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:43|-|freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
06:44<tonyk11>hey guys, I want to save my old mail in evolution in mbox format, and move it out of the way. What is the best way to do it?
06:44|-|asma_ [~asma@116.71.176.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:50|-|dutche- [~dutche@200.169.133.98] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
06:50<tonyk11>anybody there? where are the old debianers?
06:51|-|magnaram [~magnaram@132.Red-83-42-137.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
06:51<petemc>most people dont use evolution due to it being shit
06:51|-|E0x [~moya@133.87.3.196.l.sta.codetel.net.do] has joined #debian
06:51<petemc>doesnt it use mbox to store its mails anway?
06:52<themill>I thought so. It used to do so before I gave it the boot.
06:52<tonyk11>petemc: yes, but there is a lot of crap evrywhere
06:52<tonyk11>and i don't want to mess it up, i agree that is crap, but my wife can't handle mutt
06:53<themill>tonyk11: kmail is very nice. t'bird is ok too
06:54<tonyk11>so i need to keep it alive for her, hmm, i will try kmail. I use mutt for other accounts.
06:54<themill>tonyk11: IIRC, moving the mbx file and removing the cache files (idx toc or whatever) is sufficient. Backups are good.
06:54|-|quick [~home-note@213.211.44.190] has joined #debian
06:55<themill>tonyk11: I use kmail as part of kontact so it has the integrated addressbook, calendar, rss reader. also integrates with kopete (instant messaging)
06:55|-|quick [~home-note@213.211.44.190] has quit []
06:55|-|magnaram [~magnaram@132.Red-83-42-137.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit []
06:56<tonyk11>there is a lot of crap also in .gconf from evolution, my fear was that after removing the Inbox (which is in mbox format), something would not work. I definitely will try kmail, can it import settings from evolution?
07:01|-|matysecek [~matysek@213.151.202.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:01|-|tonyk11 [~tony@adsl-074-167-000-112.sip.mcn.bellsouth.net] has left #debian [Thanks to all. Bye now.]
07:01|-|matysek [~matysek@213.151.202.192] has joined #debian
07:02<themill>tonyk11: kmail has an "import from evo" wizard. It can also use maildir btw.
07:03<themill>tonyk11: I think I actually did it using dovecot though. Not sure why... it was a while ago that I changed so kmail might not have had that importer at the time.
07:03<themill>bah.... he's gone.
07:05|-|dpkg [~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: buh bye!]
07:05|-|dpkg_ [~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu] has joined #debian
07:05<themill>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg_>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
07:06<referi>где руские сидят?
07:06<referi> :-)
07:06<themill>!ru
07:06<dpkg_>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
07:06<referi>thanks
07:06|-|munckfish [~munckfish@217.150.115.62] has joined #debian
07:08|-|morgan` [~morgan@jau51-2-82-237-62-246.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
07:09<morgan`>hello
07:11|-|ServerSide [~leo@54.171.68-86.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #debian
07:12|-|padski [~padski@ip-81-1-111-14.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #debian
07:13|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
07:16|-|ROF [~carlos@201.28.149.202] has joined #debian
07:17|-|RaSeBo [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
07:17|-|prahal [~prahal@88.166.184.3] has quit [Quit: Client exiting]
07:17<ROF>Hello. I wish to restart a remote windows machine, using my linux shell. I know there is a command, but I forgot. Can you help me?
07:19<themill>ROF: if the remote machine is running ssh under cygwin then perhaps. But not otherwise. You could try sending it the ping of death or something though...
07:24|-|emonge [~emonge@190.53.119.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:26|-|gouki_ [~gouki@bl5-25-202.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #debian
07:26|-|gouki [~gouki@bl4-196-120.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
07:28|-|Auffe [~Administr@167.3-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #debian
07:28<E0x>ROF: if you have telnet access , shutdown -r will reboot it
07:28|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has joined #debian
07:35|-|freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
07:35|-|BangLicia [~BangLicia@host35-133-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
07:35|-|MrNaz [~MrNaz@203-217-94-82.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #debian
07:36|-|BangLicia [~BangLicia@host35-133-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #debian []
07:36|-|skiold [~skiold@84.121.91.161.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #debian
07:38<themill>E0x: is there a shutdown command under windoze? I didn't think there was.
07:39|-|skiold [~skiold@84.121.91.161.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit []
07:39<padski>themill: there is, yes
07:39<ROF>Ty
07:39<themill>hmmm... will have to try that out one day....
07:40<padski>IIRC the shutdown prog on windows can be pointed at workstations too ?
07:40<padski>as in remote machines
07:41|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:41|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
07:42<themill>hmmm...
07:42[~]themill wanders off to experiment on some workmate's computers
07:42|-|Auffe [~Administr@167.3-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
07:42<padski>!ping
07:42<dpkg_>pong
07:43<N1ghtCrawler> /topic
07:43<N1ghtCrawler>humh.
07:44<padski>themill: http://paste.debian.net/43818
07:45|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
07:45|-|sven changed nick to scummos
07:46|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
07:46<themill>ROF: so that should be /r not -r then
07:47|-|visik7 [~dksakd@aruba-123-159.aruba.unimo.it] has joined #debian
07:47<themill>padski: which PoS is identifying itself as 5.2? (used to know these things but never touch them these days)
07:47<padski>themill: 2k3
07:47|-|Guinea_pig [~SB@df01t2-62-34-183-203.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #debian
07:48<themill>padski: ahh... naturally. Now why didn't I think of that :(
07:48|-|Guinea_pig [~SB@df01t2-62-34-183-203.d4.club-internet.fr] has quit []
07:48<padski>themill: shutdown -r will also work. I just tried it :-)
07:48|-|fresh_oyster [~ford@p5080E9E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: BitchX: all the things phone and hop won't include]
07:48<themill>excellent... so M$ can't decide on / vs - these days.
07:48<padski>anyone know how to stop an impending reboot on a windows server ;-)
07:49<themill>heh
07:49<themill>shutdown /a
07:49|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
07:49|-|sven changed nick to scummos
07:49<themill>padski: /a Abort a system shutdown. This can only be used during the time-out period
07:49<themill>padski: from your pastebin ;)
07:49<padski>themill: thanks, but it was too late :-(
07:49|-|tombs [~tombs@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: N.Y.H.C.]
07:50<themill>oh well... no one was expecting it to stay up were they?
07:50<padski>C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>shutdown /a \n A system shutdown is in progress.(1115)
07:50<padski>still, I learnt something usefull :-)
07:51<padski>themill: no, I am at liberty to randomly reboot this machine if I want to :-)
07:52<themill>padski: but won't everyone just assume that it fell over (again) and move on, nothing to see...
07:53|-|supaman [~ojs@dhcp0862.gjk.dk] has joined #debian
07:53|-|algot [~algot@201-14-171-239.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
07:53<padski>themill: If a windows machine crashes in a forest^wsea of viruses ... ?
07:53<themill>yeah, that one
07:53|-|ghvg [~gustavo@200.109.9.40] has joined #debian
07:54<ghvg>Hola a todos
07:54|-|joesph-x [~joesph@p50814746.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
07:55|-|_spOOn_ [~adam@219-90-201-165.static.adam.com.au] has joined #debian
07:55<themill>!es
07:55<dpkg_>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:56|-|oberon [~oberon@e181242197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
07:57|-|locsmif [~locsmif@145.33.144.73] has joined #debian
07:57|-|indraveni [~indraveni@203.129.255.178] has joined #debian
07:57<locsmif>hi, is this normal? (I can solve it ofcourse, but shouldn't postfix be pulled in automatically) -> http://paste.debian.net/43819
07:59<themill>locsmif: what's in your source.list? Do you have any pinning or packages on hold?
08:00|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:01|-|referi [~referi@inet-out.dsl-nat.sura.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:01<locsmif>themill, no pinning, no holds
08:01<padski>+b1 is only on i386 ??
08:01<locsmif>sources.list is a normal Debian Etch
08:01|-|Optical [~dlz@58.37.1.53] has joined #debian
08:01<themill>locsmif: what arch? amd64?
08:02<themill>padski: well spotted. odd.
08:02<locsmif>themill: i386
08:02<padski>themill: what is that anyway a binNMU ??
08:02<themill>padski: http://wiki.debian.org/binNMU
08:03|-|vnode [~oberon@f048010117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:03<padski>ah! and it only depends on that for i386
08:04<locsmif>technically i686 ofcourse
08:04<locsmif>but Debian arch == i386
08:04<locsmif>aptitude does properly solve the situation
08:05<locsmif>Would you like to see its output?
08:05<themill>locsmif: can you pastebin apt-cache policy postfix
08:05|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
08:05<locsmif>themill: sure
08:05|-|sven changed nick to scummos
08:05|-|pumpkin0 [~ram@ip-83-99-7-180.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #debian
08:06|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:06<locsmif>http://paste.debian.net/43821
08:07<themill>locsmif: how odd.
08:07<locsmif>themill: now apt-get doesn't complain anymore
08:07<locsmif>themill: no idea what happened
08:07<themill>locsmif: even more odd then.
08:08<indraveni>hi all
08:08|-|beatrix [~beatrix@189.71.59.199] has joined #debian
08:08<locsmif>hi indraveni
08:08<indraveni>when ever i am opening, my file browser its just closes with a message
08:08<indraveni>nautilus crashed
08:09<themill>locsmif: the depends line is a little odd which might cause apt some confusion: Depends: [...cruft...], postfix, postfix (= 2.3.8-2+b1)
08:09<locsmif>my bad
08:09<locsmif>i typed apt-get install postfix now
08:09<locsmif>error not resolved
08:09<locsmif>themill: aha
08:09<themill>locsmif: but it sounds like postfix itself can't be installed for some reason?
08:11|-|foolano [~magnetic@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:11<locsmif>themill: it can
08:11<locsmif>just wanted to check if this behavior for postfix-mysql with apt-get merits a bug report
08:11|-|foolano [~magnetic@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
08:12<locsmif>i have no idea what the maintainer wants with that depends line
08:12|-|dpkg_ [~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:12|-|beatrix [~beatrix@189.71.59.199] has quit []
08:12<themill>locsmif: it will be something to do with the funny binNMU that occurred just before etch's release
08:14<locsmif>ok
08:14|-|tim [~tim@i577A473E.versanet.de] has joined #debian
08:15<locsmif>if i would submit a bugreport, i'll be sure to check related info first then
08:15<locsmif>bug db, package info, mailing list etc.
08:15<locsmif>$ lintian postfix-mysql_2.1.5-9_i386.deb
08:15<locsmif>W: postfix-mysql: package-has-a-duplicate-relation depends: postfix, postfix (= 2.1.5-9)
08:15|-|ptr [~ptr@Harkness-248.resnet.brown.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:16|-|tim [~tim@i577A473E.versanet.de] has quit []
08:18<BoBo>how set a ip forward
08:18<BoBo>i have 2 eth
08:18<BoBo>eth0
08:18<BoBo>is internet
08:18<BoBo>and eth1 is locall
08:18<indraveni>anyone there to help me from my nautilus get crashed
08:19<BoBo>and how set port 8080 forword for locall ?
08:19<BoBo>for another computer
08:19|-|linac [~lin@121.41.75.176] has joined #debian
08:19|-|ptr [~ptr@Harkness-248.resnet.brown.edu] has joined #debian
08:19<BoBo>i have one ip extern
08:19<themill>BoBo: are you just wanting to do NAT for the second computer?
08:19<BoBo>internet i have to second computer
08:20<BoBo>how set port forword
08:20<BoBo>8080 to second computer :P
08:20<BoBo>when to enter http
08:20<BoBo>http
08:21<BoBo>scz
08:21<BoBo>when to enter http://89.39.141.7:8080 to go in 192.168.1.2:8080
08:21<BoBo>:P
08:21<BoBo>you understend ?
08:22<BoBo>i don`t speak very good english sorry
08:22<BoBo>:(
08:22<locsmif>iptables -I INPUT -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to <ip>:<port>
08:22<locsmif>iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT
08:22<BoBo>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
08:22<BoBo>don`t work :(
08:23|-|dpkg [~dpkg@rzlab.ucr.edu] has joined #debian
08:23|-|dererk[work] [~dash@dererk.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: In a world without wall or fences, we don't need windows nor gates.]
08:23<locsmif>echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
08:24<locsmif>Those three should do
08:24<locsmif>I don't know what caused your error
08:24<BoBo>no
08:24<BoBo>BoBo:~# echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
08:24<BoBo>BoBo:~# iptables -I INPUT -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to 192.168.47.2:8080
08:24<BoBo>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
08:24|-|dennis [~dennis@200.32.236.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:24<BoBo>don`t work :(
08:24<locsmif>hmm
08:24|-|lamby [~lamby@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #debian
08:25|-|dennis [~dennis@200.32.236.18] has joined #debian
08:27<locsmif>iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to <ip>:<port>
08:28<locsmif>replace INPUT with PREROUTING there
08:28<locsmif>possibly you need to tweak this later so that outbound traffic isn't natted also
08:28<locsmif>It's been a while since I've done this
08:28<BoBo>BoBo:~# iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to 192.168.47.2:8080
08:28<BoBo>BoBo:~#
08:28<BoBo>and now work ?
08:29<locsmif>Did you do all three lines? Take not: do not do them repeatedly
08:29<locsmif>note*
08:29|-|bassie [~bassie@d51A57A13.access.telenet.be] has left #debian [Leaving]
08:29<BoBo>no
08:29<BoBo>one line
08:29|-|Eulex [~alex@87-76-57-168.event.dreamhack.se] has joined #debian
08:29<BoBo>iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to 192.168.47.2:8080
08:29<BoBo>this
08:29<locsmif>Then do the other two
08:31<locsmif>you can list the current rules with : iptables -t filter -L -v -n --line-numbers; iptables -t nat -L -v -n --line-numbers
08:31<BoBo>no work locsmif
08:31|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:31<locsmif>BoBo: it doesn't just work like that, you have to test it
08:32<locsmif>BoBo: paste the output of the following command into a pastebin
08:32|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
08:32|-|dli_ [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
08:32<BoBo>man
08:32<BoBo>iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to 192.168.47.2:8080
08:32|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-22-201-40.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:32<BoBo>this first ?
08:32<locsmif>iptables -t filter -L -v -n --line-numbers; echo "---"; iptables -t nat -L -v -n --line-numbers; echo "---"; cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
08:32<locsmif>paste the output of that command into paste.debian.net or so
08:33<BoBo>uff
08:33<BoBo>i don`t understend ...
08:34|-|Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
08:34|-|dererk[work] [~dash@dererk.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
08:35|-|Kad [~kad@chello087206076191.chello.pl] has joined #debian
08:35<locsmif>copy and paste the command I showed you about into a root shell, then select the output, copy it, go to http://paste.debian.net and paste it in the box. Fill in your nickname and press "send"
08:35|-|Kad [~kad@chello087206076191.chello.pl] has quit []
08:35|-|thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179016130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: bye]
08:35<BoBo>locsmif now how reset all comands in iptables ?
08:36|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
08:36<locsmif>iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT; iptabels -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F; iptables -X
08:36<locsmif>that resets the entire table
08:36<BoBo>-bash: iptabels: command not found
08:36<locsmif>oops.
08:36<locsmif>iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F; iptables -X
08:37<locsmif>spelling error on my part, sorry
08:38<BoBo>i don`t know how set port forword :(
08:38<locsmif>BoBo: you will be able to if you help me help you.
08:39|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:e10:6840:19:212:f0ff:fe21:3332] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
08:39<locsmif>iptables -t filter -L -v -n --line-numbers; echo "---"; iptables -t nat -L -v -n --line-numbers; echo "---"; cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
08:39<BoBo>don`t work ...
08:39<locsmif>copy and paste the command shown above into a root shell, then select the output, copy it, go to http://paste.debian.net and paste it in the box. Fill in your nickname and press "send"
08:39<locsmif>who told you that makes it work?
08:39<locsmif>i just want to see what's going on
08:40|-|ROF [~carlos@201.28.149.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
08:41<locsmif>that info can then help me to fix your problem
08:41|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:41<ghvg>hola
08:41|-|_spOOn_ [~adam@219-90-201-165.static.adam.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
08:41<locsmif>BoBo: if that doesn't please your highness, go fix it yourself
08:42|-|Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:42|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has joined #debian
08:43<JasonS>heh
08:43|-|juliank [~juliank@f049189171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
08:44|-|Guest81 [yang@yang.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:45|-|thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179016130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
08:45|-|mohkohn [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has joined #debian
08:46|-|Web-sidux975 [~me@host202-40-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
08:47|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
08:47|-|rjent [~rjent@204.184.227.250] has joined #debian
08:47<mohkohn>if I am downloading an .iso and it is going to take 31:25:15 can I stop and continue again tomorrow?
08:47<mohkohn>Or do I have to start all over again tomorrow?
08:47<supaman>if you use wget you can do that yes
08:48|-|sangeetha [~sangeetha@203.129.255.178] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
08:48<mohkohn>thanks supaman
08:48<supaman>mohkohn: but read the man page before you start doing stuff like that
08:48|-|Web-sidux975 [~me@host202-40-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
08:48<themill>mohkohn: the server needs to support resume too
08:48<mohkohn>ok
08:49<supaman>mohkohn: a simple test would be nice ... download for 10 minutes ... abort and then resume, see if it works
08:50|-|maxamillion [~adam@ss-5-55.shsu.edu] has joined #debian
08:50<mohkohn>good idea
08:53|-|mode/#debian [+l 302] by debhelper
08:53|-|Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
08:53|-|Inty [~Inty@cloud.stougie.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:55|-|Vakio [vakio@ipv6.cabba.fi] has joined #debian
08:56|-|cmdln [~cmdln@adsl-76-208-120-230.dsl.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
08:59|-|noxorc [~noxorc@c-24-62-190-54.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #debian
09:00|-|matysek [~matysek@213.151.202.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:01|-|spange [~hans@p5493A449.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
09:09|-|mohkohn [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
09:10|-|info [~info@p2pw73.subotica.net] has joined #debian
09:10|-|nicox [~nicox@83-64-42-210.prater.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #debian
09:11|-|mohkohn_ [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has joined #debian
09:12|-|nicox [~nicox@83-64-42-210.prater.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit []
09:13|-|indraveni [~indraveni@203.129.255.178] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
09:14|-|info [~info@p2pw73.subotica.net] has quit []
09:15|-|aricz [~aricz@193.80-202-19.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:15|-|matysek [~matysek@213.151.202.192] has joined #debian
09:16|-|d0rt [~ni@208.81.90.227] has joined #debian
09:18|-|celoserpa [~celoserpa@189.7.180.86] has joined #debian
09:18|-|celoserpa [~celoserpa@189.7.180.86] has quit []
09:18|-|dotCOMmie [tox@glitchinthe.net] has joined #debian
09:20|-|michan [kami6985@zeppo.it.uu.se] has quit [Quit: All makt åt Tengil, vår befriare!]
09:21|-|michan [kami6985@zeppo.it.uu.se] has joined #debian
09:22|-|afflux [~k@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
09:24|-|pumpkin0 [~ram@ip-83-99-7-180.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:27|-|Alam_Debian [alam@c-24-62-188-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #debian
09:27<afflux>Hi! Can anyone tell me what su-wrapper should be used for .desktop and/or for menu files? I guess su-to-root for menu, but is that okay for .desktop too? grep -r 'Exec=su-to-root' /usr/share/applications doen't give anything.
09:28|-|jbruce [~jbruce@200-168-36-142.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #debian
09:28|-|jbruce [~jbruce@200-168-36-142.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #debian []
09:30|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
09:31|-|sven changed nick to scummos
09:31|-|Optical [~dlz@58.37.1.53] has quit [Quit: Wave~~]
09:32|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:33<themill>afflux: gksu or gksudo work very nicely.
09:33|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
09:33|-|Caino [~DarkLAB@host24-161-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
09:34|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:35|-|donfede [~grauf@castor.rfa.org] has joined #debian
09:35<afflux>themill: so it's okay and not against any policies or something like that?
09:36|-|jthomas [~jthomas@nat.sierrabravo.net] has joined #debian
09:38|-|sasha [~sasha@41.207.39.149] has joined #debian
09:38<themill>afflux: ummm... not sure. #debian-mentors or actually their mailing list might be more informative. You'd probably have to depend on it if you were going to use it that way.
09:38|-|Aicart [~aideb@27.Red-83-35-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:39<afflux>themill: alright, I'll ask there
09:39<afflux>themill: thank you
09:39<themill>np. I'm not sure that you'll get an answer in #d-m today.. it's been pretty quiet. Shoot off an email to the d-m mailing list might be more successful though
09:40|-|Klaes [~klaes@192.38.109.188] has joined #debian
09:40<sasha>hi i would like to stop the upgrades of the linux kernel , how can i do that : hold or pinning
09:40<Eulex>hold
09:40<sasha>on linux image
09:41<sasha>!hold
09:41<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri
09:42|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: http://remood.sf.net/]
09:43|-|mode/#debian [+l 309] by debhelper
09:43|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:43|-|tiny [~tiny@tm.213.143.88.152.dc.telemach.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
09:43|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
09:44|-|cmdln [~cmdln@adsl-76-208-120-230.dsl.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
09:44|-|Vakio [vakio@ipv6.cabba.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving]
09:45|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
09:45|-|sven changed nick to scummos
09:47<sasha>hi or to remove an hold flag with dpkg
09:48<dli_>sasha, the easiest, "apt-get install foo" explicitly
09:49|-|Vituz [~vituz@67.204.219.119] has joined #debian
09:49<Vituz>hey
09:49<themill>dpkg: greet Vituz
09:49<dpkg>Hello, Vituz
09:49<Vituz>heh
09:50<Vituz>does anyone here use centericq?
09:50|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:50<themill>!just ask
09:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org
09:50<Vituz>for some reason its not letting me connect to msn today.. was working fine just a couple of hours ago
09:51|-|masi [~masi@adsl-215-229-81.kymp.net] has joined #debian
09:51|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:51<lymeca>Anyone here know about troubleshooting the anonftpsync script for setting up Debian mirrors of package repositories
09:52|-|mohkohn_ [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
09:53<Vituz>anybody?
09:54<Vituz>was going to try installing centerim but kept running into dependency issues so gave up on that
09:55<Vituz>or is msn just down?
09:56|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
09:56|-|sven changed nick to scummos
09:56<Vituz>using debian 4.0 and centericq 4.21.0 if that helps any
09:56|-|S3cur3-inf0 [~s3cur3inf@201.9.201.104] has joined #debian
09:57<Vituz>well I'm going to keep looking for an answer if someone can let know I'd appreciate it
09:58<rkos>how can i check my hardware infos?
09:58|-|Klaes [~klaes@192.38.109.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:58|-|aricz [~aricz@193.80-202-19.nextgentel.com] has joined #debian
09:59<Maulkin>rkos: lspci lsusb dmidecode /proc/cpuinfo /proc/meminfo /proc/bus/*
09:59<gsimmons>!tell rkos -about what's my hardware
09:59|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-80-193.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:59<rkos>ok
09:59|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
09:59|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
10:00<Vituz>!tell vituz how to fix his centericq :P
10:00<Vituz>didn't think so
10:00|-|mire [~mire@220-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has joined #debian
10:00|-|JoY_ [~JoY@151.13.132.130] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via]
10:01<Vituz>is there any other good console based msn clients?
10:01|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
10:01|-|sven changed nick to scummos
10:02|-|locsmif [~locsmif@145.33.144.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:03|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:04|-|sasha [~sasha@41.207.39.149] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
10:05|-|S3cur3-inf0 [~s3cur3inf@201.9.201.104] has left #debian [Leaving]
10:06|-|witte [~witte@kotnet-150.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #debian
10:06|-|T3mp3sta [~fast@host252-203-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
10:07|-|T3mp3sta [~fast@host252-203-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
10:07<padski>earlier today I created a user on a vista box. apparently this reset the firewall. no kidding :-)
10:08|-|_slacker_ [~mauro@84.77.241.33] has joined #debian
10:09|-|_slacker_ [~mauro@84.77.241.33] has quit []
10:09|-|madrescher [~hkunz@80-218-159-224.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
10:09|-|matysek [~matysek@213.151.202.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:09|-|madrescher [~hkunz@80-218-159-224.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #debian []
10:09|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
10:09|-|sven changed nick to scummos
10:09|-|sasha [~sasha@41.207.39.149] has joined #debian
10:10<ptr>h'lo
10:10<padski>g'k'harrr!
10:10<ptr>k'plah
10:10<padski>hehe
10:11[~]witte thinks there are too many star trek fans here
10:11<ptr>A certain process on my system has, over the last two days, decided to leak memory like crazy, eating it all up and once necessitating a hard reboot
10:11|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
10:11<rkos>uh, any idea how to find out what drivers i need for my soundcard and network card? for windows xp that is since they're not working on it
10:11<ptr>Is there a tool out there that I could use to monitor the memory usage over time of a single process? I'd kind of like to know when it's deciding to go haywire
10:11<Vituz>does anyone know if msn is up right now?
10:11<rkos>probably not the place to ask but don't know anywhere else
10:11<ptr>I'm not all that surprised (it's compiz), but I am disappointed
10:12<padski>witte: it's stargate week over on #cygwin
10:12<ptr>I suppose I could just write a script to output ps auwx | grep compiz >> somefile every five minutes
10:12<ptr>mebbe I'll do that
10:12<Vituz>k well not getting much help here anyway and Im in class so thanks anyway
10:12|-|Vituz [~vituz@67.204.219.119] has quit [Quit: leaving]
10:12|-|Caino [~DarkLAB@host24-161-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:12<ptr>aww
10:13|-|mode/#debian [+l 303] by debhelper
10:13<ptr>Giddyup 303
10:13<ptr>rkos: what's the sound card, and the network card?
10:14<ptr>rkos: hey, sweet, there's a ##windows over on freenode. Check it out!
10:14<ptr>:^)
10:14<padski>ptr: I have done exactly that before now :-)
10:15<ptr>hehe, okie dokie ^.^ Thanks
10:15|-|caat [~caat@78-56-5-216.ip.zebra.lt] has joined #debian
10:16<sasha>hi could someone explain me how no to upgrade linux-source* and linux-image* packages , hold dont work and i can not set pinning
10:17|-|Armadillio [~chatzilla@205.119.61.26] has joined #debian
10:17|-|maxamillion [~adam@ss-5-55.shsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:18<Armadillio>oh my goodness, my WUSB11v4 card doesn't work
10:18|-|rjent [~rjent@204.184.227.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:18|-|maxamillion [~adam@ss-5-55.shsu.edu] has joined #debian
10:19<padski>sasha: I don't understand. you want to pin them in from testing or unstable ?
10:19<sasha>padski : i compile them myself
10:19<witte>!does not work
10:19<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
10:19<sasha>i don t want to download the official debian upgrades
10:19<padski>sasha: you make .deb packages ?
10:19|-|oscar [~oscar@c9154e4b.virtua.com.br] has joined #debian
10:20<oscar>#debian-es
10:20<sasha>yes
10:20|-|Internat3 [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #debian
10:20<sasha>with make kpkg
10:20|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:20<padski>sasha: and you want to install them ?
10:20|-|internat85 [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:21<Armadillio>!rr
10:21<dpkg>methinks rr is Ram & Rom, a computer store in Oslo, Norway. RR is also RockRidge, an extension to ISO-9660, which allows unix filesystem semantics to be stored on a standard data CD. Unenlightened OS's will ignore it, and it can work alongside both Joliet and HFS extensions. Resource Record
10:21<sasha>no i dont want to always install the upgrades from the officials rep cause i have more than 15 kernel in my grub and it waste to much space
10:21<Armadillio>do a fresh install on partition, then take the installed packages from that to the other installation
10:22|-|Armadillio [~chatzilla@205.119.61.26] has quit []
10:22|-|RaSeBo [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has joined #debian
10:22<padski>sasha: you want to get kernels from your own repo and pin to that ?
10:22|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::69ab] has joined #debian
10:22|-|peppe [~peppe@81-208-83-248.fastres.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:23<sasha>i would like to always download the source by myself and create .deb with make-kpkg but never install the ones from the debian/testing repos
10:23<gsimmons>Armadillio: Your WUSB11v4 has a ALi M4301A chipset. I'm not aware of any native Linux drivers available, you'll likely need to use ndiswrapper.
10:23|-|rusty1 [~marty@s205-206-61-54.ab.hsia.telus.net] has joined #debian
10:24<padski>sasha: ok. I think what I described: pin to your own repo would acheive that. it is the best way I can think of.
10:24|-|rusty1 [~marty@s205-206-61-54.ab.hsia.telus.net] has quit []
10:24|-|Gryfelhas [~Gryflhas@p4FD201A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:24|-|RaSeBo changed nick to RaSeBo|afk
10:25<sasha>my repo , you mean /usr/src folder so
10:26|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
10:26<jthomas>after my dist-upgrade to testing (Lenny) yesterday, my KDE fish:// protocol nop longer works. Any one know how to fix that?
10:27<alaya>jthomas: does it require sshfs or fuse or something?
10:28|-|RaSeBo|afk [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
10:28<jthomas>ssh, not sure about sshfs or fuse, since those two are working (sshfs uses fuse, and sshfs is working)
10:28|-|peppe [~peppe@81-208-83-248.fastres.net] has joined #debian
10:28|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:28|-|sasha [~sasha@41.207.39.149] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
10:28|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::69ab] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
10:29<padski>sasha: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository
10:29|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
10:29|-|RaSeBo [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has joined #debian
10:29<padski>sasha: a "trivial repository" is a breeze to setup
10:30|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
10:30|-|RaSeBo changed nick to RaSeBo|afk
10:31|-|cwlin [~desty@ravel.mmlab.cse.yzu.edu.tw] has joined #debian
10:31|-|jthomas [~jthomas@nat.sierrabravo.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:32|-|jthomas [~jthomas@nat.sierrabravo.net] has joined #debian
10:33<jthomas>just ran a dist-upgrade to my Lenny, then restarted KDE; fish:// still not working "The process for the fish://alpha.bravo protocol died unexpectedly."
10:35|-|tolecnal [~tolecnal@125.80-203-134.nextgentel.com] has joined #debian
10:38|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
10:38|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:38|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
10:40|-|koruja [~koruja@host.190.15.199.134.static.itcsa.net] has joined #debian
10:40|-|koruja [~koruja@host.190.15.199.134.static.itcsa.net] has quit []
10:41<themill>jthomas: can you ssh to the box from the terminal?
10:41|-|RaSeBo|afk [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:41<jthomas>yes
10:41<themill>jthomas: and is your shell clean? i.e. does "ssh alpha.bravo true" return any output?
10:42<jthomas>it just asks for my password, then returns me to my own shell
10:43<themill>jthomas: hmm... those two things are the normal cause of fish not working. You could try deleting the .fishsrv.pl file on the remote machine to upload a newer version (in case that's changed).
10:43<themill>jthomas: also, try using sftp:// rather than fish:// if you can. It's much faster and usually more reliable.
10:43|-|esaym [~user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
10:44|-|standbyntkr [~standbynt@166.Red-83-61-3.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
10:45|-|standbyntkr [~standbynt@166.Red-83-61-3.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:45|-|whadar [~stam@bzq-79-176-227-152.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #debian
10:45|-|peppe [~peppe@81-208-83-248.fastres.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:45<jthomas>hmm i may try that then. I moved my local .fishsrv.pl to .fishsrv.pl.old and tried it again; that failed also but then I couldn't click the [OK] on the error dialog; once I killed that now my kicker died also. sheesh.
10:46<themill>yuck. Did you log out and then log back in when you upgraded kde?
10:46<whadar>how can I check on existence of an executable using bash? I don't want to use if [ -e /usr/bin/app ] because the app could be in various places...
10:47|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has joined #debian
10:47<themill>whadar: type, which or whereis
10:47<jthomas>yeah, powered down over the night, then it failed; then i ran dist-upgrade this morning (no KDE things updated tho) and restarted KDE and X, still failing.
10:47<whadar>themill: thanks
10:48<themill>jthomas: well, those are all the usual suspects for these sorts of things. Nothing on the bts?
10:48|-|midget [~midget@167.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
10:48|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:51<whadar>I use if [ $(which dchroot | wc -l) = 0 ]... is there a more elegant way to do it (without wc -l)
10:51|-|caat [~caat@78-56-5-216.ip.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
10:51<jthomas>themill: what means 'bts' ?
10:51|-|ghvg [~gustavo@200.109.9.40] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
10:52<themill>!bts
10:52<dpkg>[bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of "sid" are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
10:52<jthomas>i don't know the package name, is it a KIO slave?
10:52<themill>jthomas: yes
10:52<jthomas>thanks
10:53|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::69ab] has joined #debian
10:53|-|jukozz [~jukozz@86.122.179.72] has joined #debian
10:53<themill>whadar: man which --- the exit status is set according to what it found. if which dchroot; then ... is fine.
10:54<themill>whadar: [ ] are not needed in this case as you're just testing the exit status. You might like to use "if which dchroot >/dev/null ; then ..." to reduce noise
10:55|-|jukozz [~jukozz@86.122.179.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
10:55|-|daffytheduck [~elmafud@c211-30-190-237.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #debian
10:57<daffytheduck>hi there Ive got a question about aptitude and dpkg, Im building a lfs system from lenny and im wondering if I can encorporate aptitude into the system with dpkg and checkinstall to manage packages any help would be appreciated
10:57|-|peppe [~peppe@81-208-83-248.fastres.net] has joined #debian
10:57<jthomas>what a mess on the Debian BTS, very... oldschool cluttered HTML... anyways I see no related bug, nor do I see a button to report a bug.
10:58<daffytheduck>it is BTS
10:58<daffytheduck>lol
10:58<jthomas>its seriously not very friendly, huh.
10:59<daffytheduck>thats the bug tracking system right
10:59<petemc>jthomas: cluttered html?
10:59<jthomas>well I updated all of my server links to sftp:// and they work, so i'll just use that.
10:59<petemc>the bts was spruced up not so long ago, i thought
10:59<jthomas>cluttered page layout, in HTML. yes.
10:59|-|BoBo [~BoBo@89.39.141.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:59<jthomas>perhaps but it has waay to much cryptic info for a casual glance at trying to decypher it
10:59<petemc>are you volunteering to fix it?
10:59<daffytheduck>who looks aafter the webdev for debian
11:00<jthomas>lol no, if I could I would...
11:01<jthomas>and anything that I would 'fix' would be decried by the hardcore who want that info at their fingertips, and since they're likely the developers or maintainers, I'd rather let them have it their way.
11:01<themill>jthomas: it's the best bug tracking system on the web that i've come across yet that scales to handle the volume of bugs.
11:01|-|BenLoftis [~harrison@h66-222-81-42.66-222.unk.tds.net] has joined #debian
11:01|-|BenLoftis [~harrison@h66-222-81-42.66-222.unk.tds.net] has quit []
11:01<jthomas>so where does one report a bug?
11:01<daffytheduck>whats the point of that
11:01<jthomas>of what?
11:02<petemc>one uses reportbug
11:02<padski>!reportbug
11:02<dpkg>hmm... reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/
11:02<daffytheduck>its supposed to be an open source setup
11:02<themill>jthomas: type "reportbug" at the command line
11:02<jthomas>nice!
11:02|-|kart_ [kartikm@59.161.5.254] has joined #debian
11:03<padski>is there a gui fe to reportbug ? is it good ?
11:03|-|rjent [~rjent@204.184.227.250] has joined #debian
11:03<themill>padski: iirc there was a SoC project to make one. Not seen anything from that yet though.
11:03<jthomas>i'm using the text-based, its not bad
11:04<themill>jthomas: it also can attach relevant config files/settings that thee maintainer needs to understand the bug which is something that a web-based reporting tool can't do automagically.
11:05<padski>did I see something about work on a web fe also ?
11:06<themill>padski: I think so too. I think the SoC project suffered from some scope-creep and over-ambitious goals. Not sure what came of it in the end.
11:06<padski>reportbug-ng
11:07<jthomas>well my bug is already reported, very nice. the tool could use a 'grep' type option as well to help limit the bugs I have to pass through to find the same issue, but overall very nice.
11:08|-|kevinl [~kevinl@corp.safedesk.org] has joined #debian
11:08|-|eduardo [~eduardo@201-10-24-186.paemt705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
11:08<dotCOMmie>I built a software raid array using 8 500GB drives in raid5 configuration (no spares). I'm expecting to see 3.5TB array but mdadm says its 1.3TB. Anyone know why this is so?
11:09|-|eduardo [~eduardo@201-10-24-186.paemt705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:10|-|allisterb [~allisterb@cuscon47959.tstt.net.tt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:11|-|mankod [~mankod@dsl-200-67-228-44.prod-empresarial.com.mx] has joined #debian
11:11|-|allisterb [~allisterb@cuscon47959.tstt.net.tt] has joined #debian
11:13|-|mode/#debian [+l 310] by debhelper
11:13|-|whadar [~stam@bzq-79-176-227-152.red.bezeqint.net] has left #debian []
11:13|-|reynaldo [~rverdejo@190-82-63-64.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has quit [Quit: leaving]
11:14|-|Frolic [~ederm@frolic.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
11:14|-|masi [~masi@adsl-215-229-81.kymp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:18|-|bl4de [~ritter@p4FD294B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
11:21|-|whadar [~stam@bzq-79-176-227-152.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #debian
11:22<whadar>do I have to compile the kernel to support more than 8 loop devices?
11:25<themill>whadar: no, there's either a boot param or a /sys/ option for it. Can't tell you off the top of my head though :(
11:25<padski>whadar: I don't think so, no.
11:25<padski>whadar: isn't it an option at module load time ?
11:25|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
---Logclosed Fri Nov 30 11:27:32 2007
---Logopened Fri Nov 30 11:27:34 2007
11:27|-|mikegrb_ [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #debian
11:27|-|Ekipa kanalu #debian: Wszystkich: 296 |-| +op [1] |-| +voice [0] |-| normalnych [295]
11:27<whadar>is it normal that I don't have /etc/modprobe.conf
11:27<whadar>?
11:27|-|munckfish [~munckfish@217.150.115.62] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
11:27<themill>whadar: yes. that's the old style of doing it.
11:28<themill>whadar: drop a file into /etc/modprobe.d/
11:28|-|mikegrb changed nick to Guest172
11:28|-|mikegrb_ Your nick is now mikegrb
11:28|-|Guest172 [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting]
11:28|-|elbow [~elbow@acac21.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
11:29<whadar>you mean cp /etc/modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.d/?
11:29|-|elbow [~elbow@acac21.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit []
11:29<whadar>or touch /etc/modprobe.d/x?
11:29<themill>whadar: no, make a new file /etc/modprobe.d/loopmax with that options line in it
11:29|-|Kanal #debian zsynchronizowany w 122 sekundy
11:29<themill>whadar: and if you didn't have a /etc/modprobe.conf before then get rid of it.
11:30<whadar>ok
11:30|-|gothmog [~gothmog@190.24.32.85] has joined #debian
11:30|-|gothmog [~gothmog@190.24.32.85] has quit []
11:30|-|allisterb [~allisterb@cuscon47959.tstt.net.tt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:32<whadar>thanks.... going for a reboot mow ;)
11:32|-|whadar [~stam@bzq-79-176-227-152.red.bezeqint.net] has left #debian []
11:32<padski>whadar: that was a wink
11:32<padski>wasn't it ? :-)
11:33|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has joined #debian
11:34|-|dice [~dice@p54B4680E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
11:35|-|dice [~dice@p54B4680E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #debian []
11:36|-|kevinl [~kevinl@corp.safedesk.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:36|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has joined #debian
11:36<flawd>Hi.
11:36<daffytheduck>i want to compile aptitude and dpkg for a minimal lfs system the version of gcc is 4.1.2 can anyone help me out here thanks
11:37|-|maxamillion changed nick to notMax
11:37<flawd>It seems that pidgin has the colors for nicks hardcoded in the source, so they are not affected by gtk themes. I wonder if I can edit the source for and recompile the debian pidgin package and then get securityupdates etc for it, or if its useless if i recompile myself and might just use the latest source for it.
11:38<flawd>suggestions and input appreciated.
11:38<padski>daffytheduck: do you have your own card-punch ?
11:38|-|cvarrick [~john@cpe-74-73-17-37.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
11:38<daffytheduck>what do u mean by card-punch
11:39|-|Caino [~DarkLAB@host198-161-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
11:39|-|denis__ [~denis@ns1.biosinternet.com.br] has joined #debian
11:39|-|ntbnnt [~ntbnnt@72.170.47.92] has quit [Quit: bai2u]
11:39|-|stanislav [~stanislav@195.182.10.22] has joined #debian
11:40|-|jthomas [~jthomas@nat.sierrabravo.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:40<padski>daffytheduck: apologies, missed out the ;-)
11:40|-|linusdai [dzw@125.90.181.7] has joined #debian
11:40<daffytheduck>npblm
11:41<padski>daffytheduck: what do you want to know ?
11:41<daffytheduck>i just want to find the best version of aptitude to compile with gcc 4.1.2
11:41|-|cloud [~Miranda@195.145.167.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:41<daffytheduck>https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/
11:42|-|denis__ [~denis@ns1.biosinternet.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:42|-|gekl [~Gerard@c529d8363.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #debian
11:42<rkos>umm
11:42<daffytheduck>and if it has any heavy dependencies i should know about
11:42<daffytheduck>lol
11:43<witte>daffytheduck: would you start with the debian package?
11:43<rkos>my browser crashed and it left an annoying crashed window thing on top of my screen, any way to get rid of it without restarting xserver?
11:43<witte>s/would you/would you not better/
11:43|-|jthomas [~jthomas@nat.sierrabravo.net] has joined #debian
11:43<daffytheduck>how can i install an aptitude deb package without a program like dpkg and aptitude already on the system
11:44<daffytheduck>impossible
11:44<witte>daffytheduck: i meant the debian source package
11:44<daffytheduck>thats why i need to compile them
11:44|-|madroach [~madroach@p5B11D8F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
11:44<daffytheduck>ok
11:44<daffytheduck>npblm
11:44|-|madroach [~madroach@p5B11D8F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #debian []
11:45|-|linusdai [dzw@125.90.181.7] has quit [Quit: 暂离]
11:45<witte>and start with dpkg, afterwards you can dpkg -i aptitude (and its dependencies)
11:45<daffytheduck>if i can do this it will make the lfs system integrate nicely with debian to a point
11:45|-|rkos [~rkos@87-94-128-172.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:45<witte>daffytheduck: http://packages.debian.org/etch/dpkg
11:46<daffytheduck>thnx
11:46|-|rkos [~rkos@87-94-128-172.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #debian
11:46<witte>daffytheduck: there are links to the source packages, and you need coreutils and libc6
11:46<daffytheduck>ive gt those
11:46|-|pds [~perrys@nat.sierrabravo.net] has joined #debian
11:47<daffytheduck>the only thing is the compression ap
11:47<witte>which one?
11:48|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:48|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
11:48<daffytheduck>izma
11:48<witte>daffytheduck: that one is suggested, not needed
11:48<daffytheduck>there are a lot of dependencies here ill have to meet
11:48<daffytheduck>k
11:49<daffytheduck>it should be ok though
11:49<witte>daffytheduck: that is why we use debian, we do not like dependencies ;-)
11:49<JasonS>indeed
11:49<daffytheduck>actually it wont have any
11:49<daffytheduck>only if i decide to install apt
11:50|-|allisterb [~allisterb@cuscon47959.tstt.net.tt] has joined #debian
11:50<daffytheduck>this should be ok
11:53<daffytheduck>apt depends on a lib libunwind7 for ia64 could i leave this out for a i386 system
11:55|-|knoppix_ [~knoppix@246.86.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
11:55|-|knoppix_ [~knoppix@246.86.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit []
11:55|-|stanislav [~stanislav@195.182.10.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:58|-|z0n3s [~z0n3s@148-179-28.dial.terra.cl] has joined #debian
11:58|-|CrazyZ [~CrazyZ@host36-39-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
11:59|-|Flexy [~Flexy@dyn3-82-128-190-191.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #debian
12:01|-|stmaher [~stmaher@mail.voxpilot.com] has joined #debian
12:01|-|al [~bill@pool-72-90-74-159.syrcny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
12:02<stmaher>Hello everyone.. I have an astaro firewall linux installed.. but the version is old.. Im trying to configure snmp.. but the config file looks old and weird..
12:02<stmaher>does anyone know what version of snmpd is install with kernel 2.4.8-asl-0.010815.0
12:02|-|salatecnica [~salatecni@201.209.152.152] has joined #debian
12:02<Flexy>I've just installed debian sid on new amd platform, first time with so new hardware, that one can get cpu speed lowered when not all "puff" is needed... It seems that after installing cpufreqd stuff, updating bios, etc I've got (actually, debian did it, I just made it possible with installing stuff and updating bios) cpu speed lowered to the lowest. using cpufreq-info, I get to know the speed and that the governor is ondemand.
12:02|-|al changed nick to al_
12:03|-|mode/#debian [+l 317] by debhelper
12:03|-|salatecnica [~salatecni@201.209.152.152] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:03<Flexy>I've tried to use and load the computer, but the speed stays at the lowest. On the other hand, I've not noticed any ill effects because of "not enough power"
12:04<Flexy>how can I test if the cpu speed gets up eventually?
12:04<koollman>you could do something really cpu intensive
12:04<koollman>'openssl speed' is a good one :)
12:05<supaman>or compile a kernel
12:05<Flexy>openssl speed?
12:05<Flexy>ok
12:05<Flexy>compiling kernel should be intensive
12:06<witte>Flexy: cpuburn?
12:06<koollman>Flexy: openssl speed launch the openssl benchmark for each ciphers supported
12:06<Flexy>koollman: ok, did not know that
12:07<Flexy>witte: ok, that too might be intensive :)
12:07<lamby>I don't recommend compiling a kernel, likely to be IO bound than anything else. Also, you will have to run multiple instances of `openssl speed` if you have a multicore machine.
12:07<Flexy>dual core
12:07|-|sepski [~sep@217.17.211.51] has joined #debian
12:07<koollman>at least, I am sure openssl speed is directly cpu bound :)
12:08|-|visik7 [~dksakd@aruba-123-159.aruba.unimo.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:08<lamby>koollman: Correct, but it's single threaded. :)
12:08<Flexy>I have 2 programs recording via mythtv dvb cards. music playing with cool goom effects on display, still not getting higher freq
12:09<Flexy>lamby: ok, I can put multiple openssl speeds up
12:09|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
12:09<Flexy>koollman: in which package openssl is?
12:09<koollman>openssl :)
12:10<Flexy>well, I have to check if that comes without confictions with some other ssh server I've installe
12:10<Flexy>d
12:11|-|z0n3s [~z0n3s@148-179-28.dial.terra.cl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:11|-|tjol [someone@pD9E3387B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
12:11|-|themill [~stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:12<Flexy>ok, that's clear now. the cpu freq does not get up, according to cpufreq-info
12:12<Flexy>music plays ok, but display shows stuttering with the effects
12:13<Flexy>how to fix this?
12:15|-|kevinl [~kevinl@corp.safedesk.org] has joined #debian
12:17|-|craigevil [~craigevil@96.144.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:18|-|oscar [~oscar@c9154e4b.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
12:18|-|tjol_ [someone@pD9E3223C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:19|-|overflow [~overflow@201.208.91.229] has joined #debian
12:19|-|midget [~midget@167.Red-88-2-213.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
12:19|-|overflow [~overflow@201.208.91.229] has quit []
12:20|-|jagoda [~jagoda@bbi21.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
12:20|-|jagoda changed nick to dominik
12:20<dominik>:( Co to może jeszcze być
12:20<dominik>??
12:20|-|dominik [~jagoda@bbi21.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit []
12:21<witte>!en
12:21<dpkg>well, en is english
12:21|-|Harlekino [~cbofh@134-197.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #debian
12:21|-|duke [~duke@dslb-084-060-127-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
12:22|-|CrazyZ [~CrazyZ@host36-39-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:22|-|duke [~duke@dslb-084-060-127-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit []
12:22<Flexy>how can I found out why cpu speed does not get up when in need?
12:22|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:22<alaya>Flexy: try using powersaved ?
12:23<alaya>or echo "ondemand" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
12:23<Flexy>according to cpufreq-info it's allready on ondemand
12:24<alaya>try "performance" then
12:24<Flexy>fuck, it's on powersave
12:24|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:25|-|zoubaier [~zoubaier@196.203.77.121] has joined #debian
12:25|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
12:25<zoubaier>hi everyone
12:25<alaya>i use kpowersave frontend to powersave which is easy to set
12:26<Flexy>alaya: well, performance did not help, cpufreq-info shows that it's set as performance, but the cpu speed stays at the lowest setting
12:26|-|DarkX [~DarkX@ip70-181-154-127.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #debian
12:27|-|RaSeBo [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has joined #debian
12:27<alaya>Flexy: odd mine also report as less than full, but i doubt its correct
12:27<Flexy>I use the box as mythtv set, so I don't need the usual desktop etc, what is the simplest way of getting it to work so that cpu speed goes up when needed, down when near idle
12:28<Flexy>alaya: mine is reported as the lowest possible
12:28<Flexy>no matter how I stress the cpu
12:28<alaya>Flexy: hmm no somehow got switched to powersave
12:28<alaya>yeah you want performance mode
12:29<alaya>cat /proc/cpuinfo should show it running at full MHz
12:29|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #debian
12:29<Flexy>perhaps something is fucked up in cpufreqd installation, because some bios incompatibility when I installed it? upgraded bios and now cpu speed goes way down
12:29<Flexy>done that, it's lowest
12:30<alaya>like i said, try powersaved instead
12:30<Flexy>package powersaved?
12:30<Flexy>ok
12:30<alaya>yes, + kpowersave frontend is nice
12:30|-|freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
12:31|-|craigevil [~craigevil@96.144.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
12:31<Flexy>ok, but I can't see the frontend on mythtv box :)
12:31<Flexy>do I still need some cpufreqd packages?
12:32<alaya>no idea
12:32|-|ernesto [ernesto@200.93.93.29] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
12:33<Flexy>I'll check (read test :)
12:33<alaya>i would try uninstalling it and seeing how powersaved works
12:33<alaya>since i don't have it installed and everythings working
12:33<Flexy>doing that, thanks :)
12:34<Flexy>I'll have to configure that on text console, though
12:35|-|meandtheshel1 [~sa@85.127.111.29] has joined #debian
12:36|-|nOp [~xxxx@77.200.113.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:38|-|Nemoder [~Nemoder@68-116-29-29.static.wnch.wa.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:40|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:40|-|reflect [vortex@c-67-165-88-20.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
12:42|-|rjent [~rjent@204.184.227.250] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:42|-|rjent [~rjent@204.184.227.250] has joined #debian
12:43<war>Hi, I have a system with the Intel P35 chipset, when I try to install Debian it says my network controller and ICH9 chip is not supported, has anyone installed Debian/Etch on the Intel P35 chipset?
12:44|-|Nemoder [~Nemoder@68-116-29-29.static.wnch.wa.charter.com] has joined #debian
12:46|-|jae_ changed nick to jae
12:47<reflect>how do I install icon packages in gnome?
12:51<padski>war: dunno. did you try lenny ? there is a backport of newer kernels for etch
12:51<war>http://thelinuxway.blogspot.com/2007/11/debian-etch-with-backported-2623-kernel.html
12:51<war>going to try this
12:51|-|stmaher [~stmaher@mail.voxpilot.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
12:51|-|bam [~bam@nor75-20-82-247-153-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
12:52<padski>war: do you need .23 ?
12:52|-|bam changed nick to Guest180
12:52<padski>war: if not there is .22 at http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports
12:53|-|Eulex [~alex@87-76-57-168.event.dreamhack.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:53<padski>I got the impresion that the switch to .23 was going to be a bit more of a leap, but I am often mistaken :-)
12:53|-|fxiny [~fxiny@82.48.30.119] has joined #debian
12:54|-|Flexy [~Flexy@dyn3-82-128-190-191.psoas.suomi.net] has left #debian []
12:54<padski>war: I'd forgotten about those. seems like a reasonable idea :-)
12:55<war>well just trying to get it installed right now, the debian installer is always 2-3 revisions behind for chipset support ;P
12:55<war>brb
12:56<flawd>It seems that pidgin has the colors for nicks hardcoded in the source, so they are not affected by gtk themes. I wonder if I can edit the source for and recompile the debian pidgin package and then get securityupdates etc for it, or if its useless if i recompile myself and might just use the latest source for it.
12:56|-|netttd [netttd@217.19.119.240] has joined #debian
12:56|-|netttd changed nick to nettt
12:56<padski>war: all the action is up at the front. that's where the medals are being won :-)
12:57|-|Cristiano [~Cristiano@host-84-220-132-96.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
12:59|-|Cristiano [~Cristiano@host-84-220-132-96.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has quit []
12:59<padski>flawd: you could try getting the patch in upstream
12:59<rbd>can anyone point me to some good debconf 'config' and 'template' script examples of error handling (e.g. gather some input via debconf dialogs, check that input using bash, then if it is not valid, signal an error dialog and allow the user to re-enter. The debconf programmer's guide I am looking at does not mention this
12:59|-|koollman [~samson_t@sd-9780.dedibox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:00|-|nettt [netttd@217.19.119.240] has quit []
13:01<flawd>padski, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean.
13:01<padski>rdb: I don't know, but I would have thought that packages in 'standard' would be a good place to look.
13:01|-|koollman [~samson_t@sd-9780.dedibox.fr] has joined #debian
13:01|-||HellTiger| [~HellTiger@p5B0CFF62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
13:02<rbd>I was looking through a few off of http://svn.debian.org/ ...Ill keep trying some random ones that I remember using debconf unless you can mention one off the top of your head that has this kind of error handling
13:03<padski>flawd: ask the pidgin developers if they would take a patch.
13:04|-|kart_ [kartikm@59.161.5.254] has quit [Quit: \|-_-|/]
13:04|-|RandomJohn [~moritzkro@dslb-088-072-201-064.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
13:04|-|emonge [~emonge@168.243.176.133] has quit [Quit: That's all for now, folks]
13:05|-|junior [~junior@201-34-129-245.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #debian
13:05|-|junior changed nick to Guest193
13:06|-|dan [~dan@86.107.96.11] has joined #debian
13:06|-|dan [~dan@86.107.96.11] has quit []
13:06|-|Linuxin2 [~fassaf@102.Red-83-34-40.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
13:06<Guest193>alguem pode me dar um help... coisa rapida do menu do KDE?
13:06|-|Linuxin2 [~fassaf@102.Red-83-34-40.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #debian []
13:06<Guest193>.?
13:06<Ganneff>!br
13:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:07<Guest193>obrigado.. sorry thank
13:07<flawd>padski, *nod*
13:07|-|esaym [~user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:07|-|toni [~toni@a91-154-23-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
13:08|-|Guest193 [~junior@201-34-129-245.jvece701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #debian []
13:09|-|RaSeBo [~tzintirim@86.106.5.251] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
13:09|-|Guest180 [~bam@nor75-20-82-247-153-241.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
13:09|-|toni [~toni@a91-154-23-216.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #debian []
13:11|-|tex [~tex@adsl-70-240-122-67.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
13:11|-|tex [~tex@adsl-70-240-122-67.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:12|-|jbernard [~jbernard@bburg.evergrid.com] has joined #debian
13:12|-|matta [~matt@bas2-kingston08-1128671481.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
13:15|-|hazard2 [~hazard@129.63.27.112] has quit [Quit: Quitting.]
13:15|-|Disputin [~disp@c-24-20-92-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
13:16|-|apt [~schoenfel@dslb-084-060-159-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
13:16|-|jrolland-iBook [~jrolland@dhcp-14-63.math.uwm.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:18|-|freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
13:19|-|zoubaier [~zoubaier@196.203.77.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:19|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
13:20|-|ernesto [ernesto@200.93.93.29] has joined #debian
13:21|-|sortadi [sortadi@190.39.164.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
13:22|-|lionel [~lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #debian
13:23|-|nomeata [nobody@nomeata.de] has joined #debian
13:23|-|sortadi [sortadi@190.39.164.220] has joined #debian
13:24|-|baSh [~BaSh@83.251.76.236] has joined #debian
13:24|-|baSh [~BaSh@83.251.76.236] has quit []
13:27|-|amphi [~amphi@user-5442779c.l6.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:28|-|gustavo__ [~gustavo@190.50.108.181] has joined #debian
13:28|-|gustavo__ [~gustavo@190.50.108.181] has quit []
13:29|-|lotero [computacio@200.11.181.67] has joined #debian
13:30|-|wildguy [nobody@122.162.81.29] has joined #debian
13:30|-|wildguy [nobody@122.162.81.29] has left #debian []
13:30|-|matta [~matt@bas2-kingston08-1128671481.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
13:30|-|takt [~takt@p5B00DC60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
13:31|-|padski [~padski@ip-81-1-111-14.cust.homechoice.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:33|-|Sup3rN0vA [~Sup3rN0vA@bos94-2-81-56-49-156.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
13:33|-|nash [~nash@hmbg-4db240fd.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #debian
13:34|-|apt [~schoenfel@dslb-084-060-159-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
13:34|-|allisterb [~allisterb@cuscon47959.tstt.net.tt] has quit [Quit: Thanks for taking part in this Turing test.]
13:34|-|Cru5ad9r [~guilherme@200.183.208.66] has joined #debian
13:34|-|nash [~nash@hmbg-4db240fd.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:35|-|Cru5ad9r [~guilherme@200.183.208.66] has quit []
13:35|-|dpm [~dpm@p54A11A18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
13:38|-|lotero [computacio@200.11.181.67] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
13:38|-|lotero [computacio@200.11.181.67] has joined #debian
13:39|-|OldKid [~oldk@fresno121.webperoni.de] has joined #debian
13:39|-|rohanrhu [~rohanrhu@88.254.136.216] has joined #debian
13:40|-|libervisco [~libervisc@89-172-40-205.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #debian
13:41|-|nomeata [nobody@nomeata.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting]
13:41|-|MarshallX [proxy@200.44.56.142] has joined #debian
13:43|-|tjol_ [someone@pD9E3034B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
13:44|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:44|-|Usuario [~chatzilla@144-254-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #debian
13:45|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
13:45|-|reflect [vortex@c-67-165-88-20.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:45|-|yusupov [~yusupov@pool-68-160-192-10.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #debian
13:45<Usuario>hello, there exists a shell command wich returns the distro name of the installed linux ?
13:46|-|yusupov changed nick to handsome
13:46<Usuario>how can i know which distro and version i have?
13:46<Usuario>i connect to a server via ssh and im curious on that
13:46|-|rohanrhu [~rohanrhu@88.254.136.216] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
13:47<jonathan|roh>uname -a
13:47|-|thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179016130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:47|-|Eulex [~alex@87-76-57-168.event.dreamhack.se] has joined #debian
13:47|-|handsome [~yusupov@pool-68-160-192-10.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:47<jonathan|roh>or just uname
13:47<Christmas>it doesn't show the name of the distro though
13:47<jonathan|roh>oh
13:48|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-80-193.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
13:48<Eulex>Christmas, it's not supposed to
13:48<Usuario>ok thanks!
13:50|-|neiljp [~Neil@i-83-67-78-67.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:51|-|tjol [someone@pD9E3387B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:51|-|anes [~anes@200.187.136.178] has joined #debian
13:52<anes>[
13:52<anes>kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
13:52<anes>[362224987]
13:52<anes>[77]3624-2268
13:53<anes>gikjijkjujehouhjuehiunfug
13:53<Eulex>?
13:53<Usuario>it doesnt show me the distro name :(
13:53<anes>mnuhlszuyhjhnfuyt ] xtyd gv fghbh fujngoi fughlçufhgiur uihu fiuhgufhgiudfygfhgp9zurghizludfhgui ufhgiudfhgiu fughilufhgur fuhgilurfhgius fughliausdfhg ifuhgoaiure ufhbauioghupafhg giluarghoiuhuosfhgoif fiughoaiughoaiufhgoiaçgh lirugaoçsidhgoaiughouiafhgpoiuaf8rijapoier[[[EP=-O0RE09UITN RUTH0ÍRG NFIJÁ0E9RJG0QI9ERJG FUGHNjiojidfg fpouig?d0ifjgigd çogijhsijh giofjhsiojhi
13:53|-|Celelibi [celelibi@213.11.133.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:53<jonathan|roh>oh, sorry, I was guessing
13:53|-|mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
13:53|-|mode/#debian [+b *!*anes@200.187.136.*] by Ganneff
13:53|-|anes kicked [#debian] Ganneff [anes]
13:53<Eulex>Usuario, there's no single command that shows you the name of the distro
13:54<Eulex>hmm
13:54<Usuario>shame :(
13:54<Eulex>but perhaps cat /etc/motd will work on most
13:55|-|daffytheduck [~elmafud@c211-30-190-237.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:56|-|kevinl [~kevinl@corp.safedesk.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:56|-|thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179010180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
13:59|-|mode/#debian [-b *!*anes@200.187.136.*] by Ganneff
14:00<fxiny>he should get a -bxfyght :P
14:02|-|c1panda [~hzhang@58.31.86.212] has joined #debian
14:03<aptituz>Usuario: I don't know how reliable it is under different distros, but you may try "lsb_release -a". In Debian this command is part of lsb-release
14:05|-|node3667 [~someone@base.8D.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:08|-|c1panda [~hzhang@58.31.86.212] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:08|-|tau [~tau@201.70.25.67] has joined #debian
14:08|-|tau [~tau@201.70.25.67] has left #debian []
14:09|-|Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:10|-|kanru [~kanru@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::69ab] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:11|-|admir [~admir@87.62.130.233] has joined #debian
14:14<rjent>Greetings, what file does alsamixer write the settings for audio out to?
14:14|-|notMax changed nick to maxamillion
14:15|-|takt [~takt@p5B00DC60.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
14:16<Usuario>aptituz: "lsb_release -a" worked great! it says fedora core release 5 (Bordeaux) Thanks !!
14:17|-|kurumin [~kurumin@189.13.145.43] has joined #debian
14:17|-|kurumin [~kurumin@189.13.145.43] has quit []
14:18|-|Yi [~zhaoyi@nat-winterless-fw.bj.corp.yahoo.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:19|-|Usuario [~chatzilla@144-254-126-200.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/2007111504]]
14:20|-|co_biaza [~co_biaza@202.122.13.220] has joined #debian
14:21|-|co_biaza [~co_biaza@202.122.13.220] has quit []
14:23|-|mode/#debian [+l 311] by debhelper
14:23|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:23|-|karpalo [~karpalo@e82-103-202-38.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #debian
14:23|-|karpalo [~karpalo@e82-103-202-38.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #debian []
14:23|-|kanru [~kanru@NAT-srv55.ncnu.edu.tw] has joined #debian
14:24|-|minusvirus [~minusviru@com60-1-88-160-220-96.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
14:24<minusvirus>hi
14:24|-|rkos [~rkos@87-94-128-172.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:24|-|visicalc [~visicalc@p213.54.225.231.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #debian
14:25<maxamillion>minusvirus: hello
14:32|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has joined #debian
14:33|-|pos [~mark@89.130.6.136] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
14:34|-|pos [~mark@89.130.6.136] has joined #debian
14:36|-|Harlekino [~cbofh@134-197.dsl.iskon.hr] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:36|-|visicalc [~visicalc@p213.54.225.231.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:37|-|visicalc [~visicalc@p213.54.225.231.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #debian
14:37|-|co_biaza [~co_biaza@202.122.13.220] has joined #debian
14:38|-|co_biaza [~co_biaza@202.122.13.220] has quit []
14:38|-|pos [~mark@89.130.6.136] has quit []
14:38|-|r3r3 [~r3r3@239-173.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #debian
14:39|-|r3r3 [~r3r3@239-173.78-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit []
14:39|-|al_ [~bill@pool-72-90-74-159.syrcny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:39|-|sepski [~sep@217.17.211.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:41|-|pos [~mark@89.130.6.136] has joined #debian
14:43<panagos>why doesn't debian package the nvidia drivers like ubuntu does?
14:44<@Ganneff>!nvidia
14:44<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
14:45<panagos>Ganneff: this is for lenny?
14:46<@Ganneff>read it
14:46|-|noxorc [~noxorc@c-24-62-190-54.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
14:47|-|bl4de [~ritter@p4FD294B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: /* no comment */]
14:47<panagos>where can i get nvidia-kernel-source from? aptitude doesn't find it...
14:48|-|Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
14:52|-|rmayorga [rmayorga@168.243.84.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:52|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has left #debian [Lämnar]
14:53|-|shardzez [~kt@dblt-216-227-25-179.gtcom.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:53|-|foolano [~magnetic@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
14:54|-|Zeus [~Miranda@nat1.ricona.net.ua] has joined #debian
14:54|-|Superkuh_ [~synthase@c-69-180-166-50.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
14:55|-|qeed [~qeed@adsl-154-141-194.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
14:56<chealer>panagos: they're packaged for Debian, but they're not in lenny.
14:56<chealer>panagos: you can find it in stable or unstable.
14:57<Zeus>ðóññêèå åñòü )?*
14:57<panagos>Ganneff: do i need to use sid in order to install these?
14:58<panagos>do i need to use generally sid in order to install these?
14:58|-|mentor [matthew@vm251.contextshift.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:58|-|Darkglow [~pdesnoyer@208.71.184.41] has joined #debian
14:59<chealer>panagos: no
15:00|-|fxiny [~fxiny@82.48.30.119] has left #debian []
15:00<panagos>chealer: i try to install it, but aptitude can't resolve dependencies!
15:01|-|Superkuh [~synthase@c-69-180-166-50.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:02|-|amphi [~amphi@user-5af00b29.wfd95.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #debian
15:04|-|Frolic [~ederm@frolic.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
15:04|-|Col_Kernel [~joachim@brln-d9ba4da4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #debian
15:05<panagos>nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-100.14.19, which doesn't exist!
15:08|-|spange [~hans@p5493A449.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
15:09|-|Aicart [~aideb@27.Red-83-35-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
15:10|-|munckfish [~munckfish@82-41-13-152.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
15:10|-|Superkuh [~synthase@c-69-180-166-50.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
15:12|-|Celelibi [celelibi@APoitiers-258-1-49-221.w90-45.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
15:12|-|istoc [i0n0@crown-6-202.resnet.ucsc.edu] has joined #debian
15:13<istoc>Hi, how can I tell what graphical driver I'm using. Thanks.
15:13|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:14<witte>istoc: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep -i driver
15:14|-|JoshC [~Miranda@213.227.233.113] has joined #debian
15:14<istoc>Thanks
15:14<witte>istoc: and there will be multiple, but kbd is keyboard, mouse is for (you will never guess) the mouse, and there will be an other one
15:15<witte>that should be the one you for the screen
15:15<istoc>looks like it's "ati"
15:15<istoc>are driver names that simple?
15:15<witte>istoc: yes
15:15<witte>:-)
15:15<istoc>Heh, ok, thanks much
15:16<witte>istoc: why would anyone want to call the driver for an ati card something else than ati?
15:16|-|Aicart [~aideb@27.Red-83-35-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:16<istoc>iono, does't it have a version and couldn't there be different drivers for different graphics cards?
15:17|-|Superkuh_ [~synthase@c-69-180-166-50.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:17|-|jack [~jack@195.Red-88-0-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
15:17<witte>istoc: you can see what is supported by "man ati"
15:17|-|jack changed nick to jackepc
15:17<witte>and there is one with a more complex name: fglrx, but that is non-free
15:18<witte>!fglrx
15:18<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>.
15:18<witte>!ati
15:18<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
15:18<istoc>Yea, I'm trying to get a non-free one, I've heard I can get performance gains.
15:18<jackepc>!nvidia
15:18<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
15:19<witte>istoc: ok, just follow the instuction dpkg gave you on the fglrx
15:19<istoc>I made a post since I'm guessing it's going to be a long process because I'm using PPC
15:19<istoc>There's no fglrx PPC binaries :(
15:19|-|c4_ [~c4@host48.190-31-24.telecom.net.ar] has joined #debian
15:19<c4_>hi
15:20<dli_>istoc, fglrx is always buggy, if you have to use 3d, it's the only way, unless your card is old enough
15:20<istoc>It's an old PoS laptop so I prolly won't need 3D
15:20<c4_>what packages does make xconfig needs of qtlib or qt* or something like that?
15:21<istoc>It prolly wouldn't be able to run beryl would it?
15:21<panagos>lenny's libc6 is version 2.6.x and sid's is 2.7.x; to install nvidia-glx, i need sid's libc6. doesn't that imply i'm moving from lenny to sid?
15:21<istoc>If I did enable 3D acceleration
15:22<witte>istoc: I have no idea, i do not have a fast enough graphics card to have 3d and I do not have ppc
15:22<istoc>How good of a graphics card do you need for 3d?
15:22|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:22<witte>istoc: don't know, probably depends on the resolution and the speed you want
15:22|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
15:23<witte>istoc: i just have a pci graphics card, not really high speed there
15:24<istoc>wow, that's pretty old
15:24<istoc>like 90's old
15:24<dli_>istoc, if it's old, not much beryl (compiz) either
15:24<dli_>istoc, you should use the open source driver, radeon
15:24<chealer>panagos: are you sure?
15:24<istoc>why did they rename it, beryl sounds so much cooler :(
15:24|-|Darkglow [~pdesnoyer@208.71.184.41] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
15:25<witte>istoc: well it not really new :-)
15:25<dli_>istoc, "lspci |grep -i vga", what's your card?
15:25<istoc>It's an ATI mobility 8MB, prolly can't get anything out of it
15:25|-|jackepc [~jack@195.Red-88-0-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
15:26|-|alaya [~alaya@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net] has joined #debian
15:27<dli_>istoc, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", choose "ati" driver
15:27|-|dutche [~dutche@200.169.133.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:28<istoc>Well, Im gonna go eat, thanks for all the help.
15:28|-|istoc [i0n0@crown-6-202.resnet.ucsc.edu] has quit []
15:28<chealer>c4_: did you check the documentation?
15:29|-|visicalc [~visicalc@p213.54.225.231.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
15:31<rjent>anyone know on etch where alsamixer stores settings?
15:31|-|c4_ [~c4@host48.190-31-24.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.]
15:32|-|harakiri_ [~harakiri@dslb-084-060-177-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
15:32<cahoot> in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
15:33|-|sinterklaas changed nick to HeiligMan|0853096
15:33|-|harakiri_ [~harakiri@dslb-084-060-177-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit []
15:34<panagos>chealer: yes :D - at least apt-get by default does that. now i have libc6 2.7-3 installed
15:34|-|haplo [~haplo@c207.134.152-200.clta.globetrotter.net] has joined #debian
15:34|-|haplo [~haplo@c207.134.152-200.clta.globetrotter.net] has quit []
15:34<chealer>panagos: which architecture do you use?
15:35<panagos>amd64
15:36|-|gekl [~Gerard@c529d8363.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Client exiting]
15:36<chealer>panagos: you don't need sid's libc6 to install nvidia-glx.
15:37|-|Jimc [~Jimc@80.248.214.43] has joined #debian
15:38|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@201.216.147.161] has joined #debian
15:38|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@201.216.147.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:39<panagos>chealer: but it was automatically upgraded...
15:39|-|tolecnal_ [~tolecnal@125.80-203-134.nextgentel.com] has joined #debian
15:39|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@201.216.147.161] has joined #debian
15:41|-|julioams [~julioams@189.159.81.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:42|-|julioams [~julioams@189.159.81.132] has joined #debian
15:42|-|Aicart [~aideb@27.Red-83-35-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
15:43<panagos>chealer: should i revert to libc6 2.6.1-1 from lenny?
15:43<chealer>panagos: no
15:43<panagos>because it seems i can afterall... :D
15:44<panagos>chealer: but by using libc6 2.7, aren't i sid?
15:44<chealer>panagos: you're using a part of sid
15:44<panagos>** officially ** ? ;)
15:44<panagos>chealer: if i remove not sid from sources.list, will there be problems?
15:45<panagos>because i don't want to dive into sid (yet)
15:45<chealer>panagos: not if you have setup a proper testing/unstable mix
15:45<panagos>** chealer: if i remove now sid from sources.list, will there be problems?
15:45<chealer>panagos: no
15:45|-|tolecnal [~tolecnal@125.80-203-134.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:45|-|tolecnal_ changed nick to tolecnal
15:46<panagos>chealer: if i have sid in my sources.list, doesn't that mean that from now on, all new packages will be from sid? e.g. when i run apt-get upgrade etc
15:46<chealer>panagos: not if you have setup a proper testing/unstable mix
15:46<panagos>what do you mean by that?
15:46|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
15:46|-|sven changed nick to scummos
15:46<panagos>chealer: what do you mean by that?
15:47<chealer>!tell panagos about tum
15:48<panagos>aha
15:48|-|Aicart [~aideb@27.Red-83-35-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:49|-|dpm [~dpm@p54A11A18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
15:51|-|puffy [~user@h235s2.ust.tke.pl] has joined #debian
15:51|-|gothmog [~gothmog@190.24.32.85] has joined #debian
15:51|-|gothmog [~gothmog@190.24.32.85] has left #debian []
15:52<panagos>chealer: if i do what it says in <tum>, then by default packages will be fetched and installed from testing, right?
15:52<chealer>panagos: yes
15:53|-|evhan [~evan@dyn-77-3.uwnet.wisc.edu] has joined #debian
15:53|-|evhan [~evan@dyn-77-3.uwnet.wisc.edu] has left #debian []
15:54|-|puffy [~user@h235s2.ust.tke.pl] has quit []
15:54|-|puffy [~user@h235s2.ust.tke.pl] has joined #debian
15:55|-|evhan [~evan@dyn-77-3.uwnet.wisc.edu] has joined #debian
15:55|-|puffy [~user@h235s2.ust.tke.pl] has quit []
15:57|-|maggiorana [~maggioran@host-84-223-167-145.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
15:57|-|dkr [~dkr@alita-alt.wirespring.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:57|-|cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has quit [Quit: cahoot]
15:57<panagos>chealer: thanks for the help/tolerance!
15:59|-|puffy [~user@h235s2.ust.tke.pl] has joined #debian
16:00|-|Jimc [~Jimc@80.248.214.43] has left #debian []
16:00|-|Jimc [~Jimc@80.248.214.43] has joined #debian
16:02|-|panahs [~panahs@ppp39-29.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #debian
16:03|-|panahs [~panahs@ppp39-29.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:08|-|flamma [~flamma@host-212-149-217-30.kpylaajakaista.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:08|-|flamma [~flamma@host-212-149-217-30.kpylaajakaista.net] has joined #debian
16:09|-|OSuKaRu^-^ [~CiberOsca@cm-81-9-169-90.telecable.es] has joined #debian
16:09<OSuKaRu^-^>hi
16:09<OSuKaRu^-^>i have problems with a pair of modules
16:10<OSuKaRu^-^>Someone can help me?
16:10|-|evhan [~evan@dyn-77-3.uwnet.wisc.edu] has left #debian []
16:11<OSuKaRu^-^>hello
16:11|-|Christmas [christmas@89.42.133.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:13|-|Jimc [~Jimc@80.248.214.43] has left #debian []
16:13|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has joined #debian
16:14|-|Hunti2 [~Vadasz@catv4E5C8331.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #debian
16:14<flawd>I just removed kdm from starting up at boot and then I noticed that when i login by "startx" the fonts are much larger. How can I set in xorg.conf to get the samefontsize that kdm made the X server have somehow?
16:15|-|Hunti2 [~Vadasz@catv4E5C8331.pool.t-online.hu] has quit []
16:15|-|rmayorga_ [rmayorga@168.243.84.131] has joined #debian
16:16|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@201.216.147.161] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by peer]
16:16|-|kurumin [~kurumin@189.13.145.43] has joined #debian
16:16|-|kurumin [~kurumin@189.13.145.43] has quit []
16:16|-|Christmas [christmas@89.42.133.39] has joined #debian
16:17|-|stroyan [~stroyan@207.189.193.136] has joined #debian
16:17|-|nemo [~nemo@adsl-ull-141-43.47-151.net24.it] has joined #debian
16:18|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:18|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:18<puffy>sorry i've got a problem - my backslach doesn't work (i use kde) in laptop what should I do ?
16:18<lupine>get the right keymap? :)
16:19<OSuKaRu^-^>that's what im going to say
16:19<OSuKaRu^-^>XD
16:19<chealer>OSuKaRu^-^: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
16:19<Supaplex>it's not kde. it's a keymap *backlash* because it's misconfigured. ;)
16:19<OSuKaRu^-^>^-^
16:20<amphi>flawd: you can change the dpi in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc perhaps
16:20<flawd>amphi, *nod*
16:20<puffy>thank you for response
16:20<flawd>amphi, I just wonder what dpi I used to have also
16:20<OSuKaRu^-^>about my problem...
16:21<amphi>flawd: try 75 ;) I expect it's using 100 ATM
16:21<flawd>thanks
16:21<flawd>:)
16:21<flawd>I'll brb shortly and we'll see
16:21|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has quit [Quit: Lämnar]
16:21<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: pay attention to what dpkg says,
16:21<Supaplex>dpkg: ownership support
16:21<dpkg>A reoccuring theme on IRC is <ask to ask>. Ownership[1] is best /assumed/ here. Please feel at ease to <ask> anytime. This greatly reduces your time to wait, and our agnst to know more. [1] aka Can/Will we help you with that. Case management, technical support etc.
16:22<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: try asking more about the issue, and less about getting help
16:22|-|Hiwaypilot [~len@oh-65-40-132-135.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #debian
16:22|-|Hiwaypilot [~len@oh-65-40-132-135.sta.embarqhsd.net] has quit []
16:24|-|khalil [~khalil@84.20.247.13] has joined #debian
16:25<OSuKaRu^-^>a pair of modules doesn't work me
16:25<OSuKaRu^-^>snd-hda-intel and libata
16:25|-|khalil [~khalil@84.20.247.13] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:28|-|martijn [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has joined #debian
16:29|-|martijn_ [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has joined #debian
16:29|-|martijn [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has left #debian []
16:30|-|patrux [~patrux@AVelizy-155-1-35-52.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
16:30|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has joined #debian
16:30<puffy>flawd: does it work?
16:30<flawd>puffy, yeah it seemed that 96 DPI was most like how it was before
16:30<flawd>thanks
16:31|-|bam [~bam@nor75-20-82-247-153-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
16:31<puffy>let's show time
16:31|-|puffy [~user@h235s2.ust.tke.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
16:32|-|bam changed nick to Guest204
16:32|-|althaser [~gnu@a213-22-150-73.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: leaving]
16:33|-|minusvirus [~minusviru@com60-1-88-160-220-96.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
16:35|-|matysek [~matysek@213.151.202.192] has joined #debian
16:35|-|Althaser [~GNU@bl7-218-48.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #debian
16:35|-|omry [~omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #debian
16:36|-|E0x [~moya@133.87.3.196.l.sta.codetel.net.do] has quit [Quit: off]
16:36|-|mankod [~mankod@dsl-200-67-228-44.prod-empresarial.com.mx] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:37|-|maggiorana [~maggioran@host-84-223-167-145.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
16:38|-|omry [~omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit []
16:40|-|JoshC [~Miranda@213.227.233.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:43|-|afflux [~k@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
16:44|-|patrux [~patrux@AVelizy-155-1-35-52.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
16:44<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: how does libata not work? Apparently you have no sound but have hardware snd-hda-intel should support, right?
16:45|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has quit [Quit: Lämnar]
16:46|-|pos [~mark@89.130.6.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:46|-|user [~user@77-101-29-124.cable.ubr01.glen.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
16:46|-|pos [~mark@89.130.6.136] has joined #debian
16:46|-|user [~user@77-101-29-124.cable.ubr01.glen.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit []
16:46|-|Xenophobe [~user@77-101-29-124.cable.ubr01.glen.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
16:47|-|Xenophobe [~user@77-101-29-124.cable.ubr01.glen.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit []
16:47|-|sven [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
16:48|-|sven changed nick to scummos
16:49|-|jonathan|roh [~jonathan@host217-43-196-85.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:49|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@200.6.241.251] has joined #debian
16:49|-|themill [~stuart@86.53.48.59] has joined #debian
16:50<OSuKaRu^-^>Supaplex that's right. so i dont explain why dosnt work
16:50<OSuKaRu^-^>(sorry. i was dinning)
16:51|-|lotero [computacio@200.11.181.67] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
16:52|-|egon_spengler [~egon@pool-71-98-83-191.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #debian
16:52|-|rmayorga [~rmayorga@200.6.241.251] has quit []
16:52|-|dusted [~user@host205-107-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
16:53|-|mode/#debian [+l 305] by debhelper
16:53|-|dusted [~user@host205-107-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
16:53<OSuKaRu^-^>sorry by my English. Im quite nervious.
16:55|-|julioams [~julioams@189.159.81.132] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
16:55|-|sepski [~seppity@217.17.211.51] has joined #debian
16:57|-|d0rt [~ni@208.81.90.227] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
16:57<Supaplex>!libata
16:57<Supaplex>!don't work
16:57<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
16:57<Supaplex>!alsa
16:57<dpkg>rumour has it, alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
16:57<OSuKaRu^-^>._.?
16:57|-|knoppix_ [~knoppix@dialbs-213-023-005-234.static.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
16:57|-|s0d0 [~john@host86-153-93-137.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
16:58<knoppix_>hi
16:58|-|emonge [~emonge@190.53.119.8] has joined #debian
16:58<knoppix_>can someone talk in emnglish
16:58|-|knoppix_ changed nick to Guest205
16:58<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: yea, I'm lost to. you say it's broken. what's libata and why do you think it's not working? What do you expect it to do? What' happening instead?
16:59|-|egon_spengler [~egon@pool-71-98-83-191.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
16:59<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: did you follow the wiki on using alsa?
16:59|-|Guest205 [~knoppix@dialbs-213-023-005-234.static.arcor-ip.net] has quit []
16:59<OSuKaRu^-^>dpkg. i try to explain. Joust doesn't work. i write lsmod an( there they are, but unused. iI tryed everything I get in forums and stuff but dont work
16:59<Supaplex>!bot
16:59<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
17:00<OSuKaRu^-^>libata suposed to detect the ata drives (lijke my Sata hard disk)
17:00<OSuKaRu^-^>i just dont find my Sata disk
17:00|-|rkos [~rkos@87-94-128-172.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #debian
17:02<OSuKaRu^-^>and in the sound factor, is a bit more strange
17:02<Supaplex>cat /proc/partitions is it in there? - do not paste.
17:02<OSuKaRu^-^>sometimes, work perflectly, and the rest of the time dont work at all
17:02<Supaplex>is there any application what will play sound for you?
17:02|-|linac [~lin@121.41.75.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:02<OSuKaRu^-^>what do you mean?
17:03<OSuKaRu^-^>like XMMS?
17:03<Supaplex>yes
17:03<Supaplex>like *anything*
17:03<OSuKaRu^-^>XMMS
17:03<Supaplex>so xmms works, but others do not
17:03|-|scummos [~sven@p5B2D8FA7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:03<OSuKaRu^-^>totem, mplayer...
17:03<OSuKaRu^-^>-_-
17:03|-|admir [~admir@87.62.130.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:04<Supaplex>only joust fails?
17:04<OSuKaRu^-^>no. or every sound system works or every sound system fails
17:04<OSuKaRu^-^>that simple
17:04<Supaplex>you're definition of the issue is lacking. EAGAIN.
17:04<OSuKaRu^-^>sometimes, works, but it crashes when i restart the pc
17:05<OSuKaRu^-^>XD sorry, but i can't explain it bettter
17:06<Supaplex>oh so it's either all or nothing for sound.
17:06<Supaplex>it'll work in everything, then later none of those work again
17:06<Supaplex>right?
17:06<OSuKaRu^-^>yeah!
17:07<OSuKaRu^-^>and, one day, miracously, work again
17:07<OSuKaRu^-^>but, when i restart, it fails again
17:07<Supaplex>strange. I'd keep going, but I'm worn out on defining the problem. :P
17:08<OSuKaRu^-^>im trien once and twice to config the sound correctly, but dont succeed
17:09|-|morgan` [~morgan@jau51-2-82-237-62-246.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !]
17:09|-|MarshallX [proxy@200.44.56.142] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
17:11|-|mankod [~mankod@dsl-200-67-228-44.prod-empresarial.com.mx] has joined #debian
17:11<OSuKaRu^-^>allo mankod
17:11|-|nemo [~nemo@adsl-ull-141-43.47-151.net24.it] has left #debian [Sto andando via]
17:13|-|mode/#debian [+l 298] by debhelper
17:13|-|pds [~perrys@nat.sierrabravo.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:13<mankod>OSuKaRu^-^, hola
17:13|-|ServerSide [~leo@54.171.68-86.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:13<OSuKaRu^-^>ah! un hispanoparlante
17:14|-|pat93 [~pat@AAubervilliers-151-1-80-193.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:15<OSuKaRu^-^>mankod. quizas tu me puedas ayudar
17:16|-|Zeus changed nick to Zeus_Away
17:16[~]Zeus_Away is now auto-away after 2h 30m idle
17:16|-|HeiligMan|0853096 changed nick to sinterklaas
17:16<OSuKaRu^-^>tengo un problema con un par de modulos
17:19|-|Troyan0 [soul@201.248.202.248] has joined #debian
17:21|-|sepski [~seppity@217.17.211.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:22|-|biczo [~biczo@d1qt70aad4.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #debian
17:22|-|vineet [~vineet@64-164-31-160.wavemarket.com] has joined #debian
17:22|-|biczo [~biczo@d1qt70aad4.adsl.datanet.hu] has quit []
17:23|-|mankod [~mankod@dsl-200-67-228-44.prod-empresarial.com.mx] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:24|-|mankod [~mankod@dsl-200-67-228-44.prod-empresarial.com.mx] has joined #debian
17:25|-|munckfish [~munckfish@82-41-13-152.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
17:26|-|munckfish [~munckfish@82-41-13-152.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
17:26|-|cvarrick_ [~john@cpe-74-73-17-37.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
17:27|-|matta [~matt@bas2-kingston08-1096741538.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
17:28|-|cvarrick [~john@cpe-74-73-17-37.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:30|-|OSuKaRu^-^ [~CiberOsca@cm-81-9-169-90.telecable.es] has quit [Quit: Abandonando]
17:31|-|makke [~makke@p50914639.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
17:31|-|ken [~user@84.92.70.37] has joined #debian
17:32|-|tvim [~tvim@host-091-097-006-110.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #debian
17:32<tvim>hi
17:32<Supaplex>!wave
17:32[~]dpkg waves to supaplex
17:37|-|ao2 [~u@2001:1418:117::1] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:40|-|zmjjmz [~zj1992@c-69-249-39-156.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #debian
17:40|-|zmjjmz [~zj1992@c-69-249-39-156.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has left #debian []
17:41|-|fnordus [~dnall@24.84.160.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:41|-|fnordus [~dnall@24.84.160.227] has joined #debian
17:43|-|LightKnight [~gabry@adsl-240-77.38-151.net24.it] has joined #debian
17:46|-|sindreij [~sindre@ti221110a081-1035.bb.online.no] has joined #debian
17:48|-|Col_Kernel [~joachim@brln-d9ba4da4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:48|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has joined #debian
17:49|-|Intracath [~kurumin@189.26.13.171.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #debian
17:49<flawd>I'm trying to decrease the programs taking up ram on my system. So far I have switched to fluxbox as WM and now I am looking for what xterminal to replace xterm with. Is rxvt the one which uses least memory?
17:50|-|Intracath [~kurumin@189.26.13.171.adsl.gvt.net.br] has left #debian []
17:50|-|vineet [~vineet@64-164-31-160.wavemarket.com] has quit [Quit: leaving]
17:51|-|Amorphous [jan@bras-co-85-197-2-146.westend.de] has joined #debian
17:51<witte>flawd: is xterm that resourse hungry?
17:52<witte>flawd: apt-cache tells me xvt is: X terminal-emulator similar to xterm, but smaller
17:52|-|gravity [david@dhcp-130-64-45-210.boston.tufts.edu] has joined #debian
17:52<Supaplex>let's recompile everything with uclibc!
17:53|-|Theos [~micky@df01t2-213-44-151-253.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #debian
17:53|-|martijn_ [~martijn@senturparks.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:53|-|therock [~erikrocha@190.40.244.121] has joined #debian
17:55|-|Holborn_ [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
17:56|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection refused]
17:56|-|therock [~erikrocha@190.40.244.121] has quit []
17:57|-|sindreij [~sindre@ti221110a081-1035.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:58|-|Sup3rN0vA [~Sup3rN0vA@bos94-2-81-56-49-156.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/]
18:01|-|rik_ [~rik@62.235.153.215] has joined #debian
18:02|-|maxamillion [~adam@ss-5-55.shsu.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving]
18:03|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
18:04|-|rik_ [~rik@62.235.153.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:07|-|karmelek [mateusz@host-134-162-karolina.igloonet.pl] has joined #debian
18:08|-|karmelek [mateusz@host-134-162-karolina.igloonet.pl] has quit []
18:09|-|juliank [~juliank@f049189171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:13|-|hev [~hev@195.10.248.18] has joined #debian
18:13|-|jim51 [~jim@pool-70-104-17-209.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
18:13|-|amycus [~amycus@r190-64-111-55.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #debian
18:16<jim51>Hi, I have an IBM Thinkpad T22 notebook that has dual boot of Win2K and Debian. I can bootup in either OS when on battery, but on the IBM docking station boot can't find the Linux partition. Does anyone here know what is wrong?
18:16|-|matysek [~matysek@213.151.202.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:17<witte>does the docking station also have a hard disk in it
18:17|-|Yvonne [~justme@yvonne.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:17<Supaplex>jim51: was debian installed on battery? grub or lilo?
18:17<witte>or any device that could have a /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* entry
18:17<jim51>It has a bay but no HD. Just a floppy.
18:18|-|Snack_Toast [~user@72.24.170.209] has joined #debian
18:18|-|Snack_Toast [~user@72.24.170.209] has left #debian []
18:18<jim51>Debian was installed on battery with lilo.
18:19<Supaplex>I wonder how grub would perform in comparison
18:20<jim51>Would an alternate boot in lilo for the dock fix this?
18:20|-|paulcager [~paul@cpc4-stok8-0-0-cust535.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
18:20<Supaplex>does the kernel load?
18:20<Supaplex>even if it panics?
18:20|-|paulcager [~paul@cpc4-stok8-0-0-cust535.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has left #debian []
18:20<jim51>no
18:21|-|linac [~lin@121.41.50.11] has joined #debian
18:21<Supaplex>does lilo boot first?
18:21|-|Nedexli__ [~nisse@q227.ip1.netikka.fi] has joined #debian
18:21<jim51>I couldn't get Grub to work.
18:21|-|Nedexli__ [~nisse@q227.ip1.netikka.fi] has quit []
18:21|-|swo [~swo@p579B2F79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:21<jim51>Yes lilo does show correctly.
18:22|-|Light_Knight [~gabry@adsl-65-72.37-151.net24.it] has joined #debian
18:22|-|RandomJohn [~moritzkro@dslb-088-072-201-064.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #debian []
18:22|-|Light_Knight [~gabry@adsl-65-72.37-151.net24.it] has quit []
18:22<Supaplex>so after POST, lilo loads first. not ntldr, right?
18:22|-|Light_Knight [~gabry@adsl-65-72.37-151.net24.it] has joined #debian
18:22<jim51>right
18:23<Supaplex>strange lilo knows how to chainload ntldr, but has issues with loading the kernel.
18:23<Supaplex>what issues did you have with grub? I've got better footing in that areana
18:23|-|madrescher [~hkunz@80-218-159-224.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #debian
18:23|-|madrescher [~hkunz@80-218-159-224.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #debian []
18:25<jim51>I had trouble with grub because ntldr had some strange problem that I finally fixed with the troubleshooting mode being updated to fix the ntldr.
18:25|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
18:26|-|LK [~gabry@adsl-138-72.37-151.net24.it] has joined #debian
18:26|-|adamtindale [~adamtinda@139.142.0.249] has joined #debian
18:26|-|Holborn_ [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:27|-|adamtindale [~adamtinda@139.142.0.249] has quit []
18:27|-|LightKnight [~gabry@adsl-240-77.38-151.net24.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:28|-|LK changed nick to LightKnight
18:29<jim51>does the floppy drive change the sequence of the storage devices for the udev?
18:30|-|amycus [~amycus@r190-64-111-55.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:31|-|adamtindale [~adamtinda@139.142.0.249] has joined #debian
18:31<adamtindale>i have a quick question about alsa. Is this a good place to ask?
18:32|-|Light_Knight [~gabry@adsl-65-72.37-151.net24.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:33<lupine>so long as it's alsa on debian...
18:33<adamtindale>lenny on ppc
18:33|-|jim51 [~jim@pool-70-104-17-209.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #debian [Leaving]
18:33<adamtindale>i am running into the problem where i have to run alsaconf on every reboot in order to get it to work
18:34<adamtindale>the modules i need are being loaded, but udev doesn't seem to create /dev/dsp
18:34|-|Light_Knight [~gabry@adsl-234-79.38-151.net24.it] has joined #debian
18:34<adamtindale>if i run udevtrigger it doesn't seem to help
18:34<adamtindale>but if i run alsaconf everything runs just fine
18:35<adamtindale>what is the step i am missing? or where can i go to read about it?
18:35|-|gaston [~bougie@s5593b46f.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #debian
18:35|-|jimS [~jim@pool-70-104-17-209.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
18:36|-|Cristiano [~Cristiano@host-84-220-132-96.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
18:37|-|pipegeek_ [~ptr@Harkness-248.resnet.brown.edu] has joined #debian
18:37|-|Cristiano [~Cristiano@host-84-220-132-96.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #debian []
18:37<pipegeek_>Evening
18:37<gaston>yello
18:37|-|ptr changed nick to Guest209
18:37|-|pipegeek_ changed nick to ptr
18:37<ptr>So
18:37<ptr>Question
18:38|-|LightKnight [~gabry@adsl-138-72.37-151.net24.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:38|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:38|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
18:38<ptr>I'm using usbmount on etch. usbmount mounts a device on, say, /media/usb0
18:38<ptr>successfully
18:39|-|themill [~stuart@86.53.48.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:39<ptr>the entry in /etc/mtab is listed as /dev/sdb1 on /usb1 type vfat (rw,nodev,noatime,uid=20965)
18:39<ptr>where 20965 is my uid
18:39<ptr>When I try to unmount it, though, umount exits immediately, informing me that only root may unmount the device.
18:39<ptr>hmm
18:39<ptr>I may have just answered my question
18:40<gaston>;) did you sudo'd the command for unmounting?
18:40|-|dli_ [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:40|-|abrotman [~abrotman@c-71-230-49-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
18:40<ptr>no, I didn't
18:40<ptr>and I didn't answer the question, it seems
18:40<ptr>I *want* normal users to be able to unmount devices that have been mounted this way
18:41<ptr>So, given that both the 'user' and 'uid' options were specified, why can't they?
18:41|-|jae_ [~jae@e176255043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
18:41<Eulex>ptr, 20965? wow.
18:41<ptr>yep
18:41<gaston>goes beyond my knowledge.. the only thing I can imagine: your users are grouped in a group.. this group needs right to do your stuff. go find the group that's needed?
18:42|-|adamtindale [~adamtinda@139.142.0.249] has quit [Quit: leaving]
18:42<gaston>like users need audio or other stuff, if you look in the /etc/group file
18:43|-|jae [~jae@e180246183.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:43<ptr>:-\ Suppose it's possible.... but it's not like there's a device the user needs access to (to which they do not already have access), nor is it like some group id was specified at mount time
18:43<ptr>least, not as far as I can tell
18:43<ptr>Ah well, I'll keep looking
18:43|-|tombs [~tombs@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #debian
18:44|-|mikele [~mikele@host49-237-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
18:45|-|mikele [~mikele@host49-237-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
18:45|-|Light_Knight [~gabry@adsl-234-79.38-151.net24.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:45|-|flawd [~flawd@213.89.75.247] has quit [Quit: Lämnar]
18:45<ptr>Hmm
18:45<gaston>btw, the uid etc. is only used for giving the write rights on the file-access, not for (un)mounting.
18:46<ptr>Yeah, that's what it's looking like
18:46|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
18:46<ptr>so where is it notated which user mounted a filesystem (and thus has the right to unmount it)? I'm guessing /usr/share/usbmount/usbmount is running as root
18:46<ptr>would be nice if there was a way to specify at mount time that a *different* user should be allowed to unmount
18:47|-|jthomas [~jthomas@nat.sierrabravo.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:48|-|mikele [~mikele@host49-237-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #debian
18:48|-|Atomo64 [~Atomo64@200.92.153.209] has joined #debian
18:48|-|Theos [~micky@df01t2-213-44-151-253.d4.club-internet.fr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
18:48|-|mikele [~mikele@host49-237-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit []
18:49<gaston>some different approach:
18:49<ptr>though.... if usbmount is running as root, it shouldn't be hard for it to change users before mounting
18:49<gaston>what are the rights of your /media/usb0 ?
18:50<gaston>if you change this to a group that your users belong to, could this be of any help?
18:50<ptr>root:root. However, if I mount the device myself, I can unmount it.
18:50<gaston>exactly... could you try it with other user:group settings?
18:50<gaston>I'm curious now...
18:50<ptr>No, but what I'm saying
18:51|-|Yvonne [~justme@yvonne.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
18:51<ptr>is that if I, as a normal user, do 'mount /dev/sdb1 /usb1', I can the unmount it as that user
18:52|-|kmshanah [~kmshanah@cubit.disenchant.net] has joined #debian
18:52<ptr>which I think means that the owner and group of the mountpoint are irrelevant, as, if they were relevant, the above wouldn't be true
18:52<gaston>hmm, okay. didn't got that info. and you want other users to unmount stuff that doesn't belong to them?
18:52<gaston>yes, you're right
18:52<gaston>I'm out of options.
18:52<ptr>nope
18:53|-|tvim [~tvim@host-091-097-006-110.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: Flying to the Moon ^°^]
18:53<ptr>/dev/sdb1 appears automatically, owned by gdmuser:root, where gdmuser is whoever's logged in via gdm
18:53|-|thomasbl [~thomasbl@e179010180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: bye]
18:53|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:53<ptr>I want them to be able to mount /dev/sdb1, which they own.
18:53|-|ernesto [ernesto@200.93.93.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:53<ptr>to a mountpoint which they're allowed to mount to in /etc/fstab.
18:53<ptr>they already can do this, manually
18:54<ptr>but I'd like to make it automatic, so that it mounts when the device is detected
18:55|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #debian
18:56|-|Eulex [~alex@87-76-57-168.event.dreamhack.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:56|-|ernesto [ernesto@200.93.93.29] has joined #debian
18:56<gaston>that looks almost like a default process, just the unmounting thing would need a manual kick. A look into google : http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/15776-how-mount-usb-flash-drives-linux.html
18:57|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
18:58<ptr>Um
18:58|-|meandtheshel1 [~sa@85.127.111.29] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
18:59|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
18:59|-|LightKnight [~gabry@adsl-227-79.38-151.net24.it] has joined #debian
18:59<ptr>that post, so far as I can tell, tells me what I already know---that I can mount them as root, and that I can also stick a line in fstab to allow users to do the same
19:00<ptr>Also, that kde's HAL magic will mount it for me as soon as its detected. IE, instead of usbmount
19:00<ptr>but not all users are using kde
19:01|-|Disputin [~disp@c-24-20-92-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:01<gaston>I'm sure that your setup goes beyond my mind. Let me shut up so others can speak ;)
19:02<ptr>thanks anyway
19:02<gaston>no prob
19:02<ptr>I'm feeling kind of dumb; I'm sure the answer's simple, and I've just neglected to read some man page
19:03|-|gravity [david@dhcp-130-64-45-210.boston.tufts.edu] has quit [Quit: going home]
19:04|-|infernix [nix@spirit.infernix.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:07|-|infernix [nix@spirit.infernix.net] has joined #debian
19:08|-|emonge [~emonge@190.53.119.8] has quit [Quit: It's all for NOW, folks!]
19:11|-|mire [~mire@220-171-222-85.adsl.verat.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:11|-|MikkLinux [~mikk@c-24-126-237-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #debian
19:11<ptr>A simplified version of my question:
19:11|-|simm [~simon@simm42.force9.co.uk] has joined #debian
19:12<ptr>Does anyone know of a way to specify at mount time which users may *unmount* a device? Allowing the users to run umount as root is not an option.
19:12|-|war [war@ritalin.simplylinux.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:14<MikkLinux>during install?
19:14<dondelelcaro>the user who mounted the device is that person, unless you're running something as root which can umount things
19:14|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:14|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
19:15[~]Supaplex checks where the etch-backports of xen are hiding out
19:15|-|simm [~simon@simm42.force9.co.uk] has quit []
19:16|-|e-Flex [~e@c83-255-29-195.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #debian
19:16|-|Guest204 [~bam@nor75-20-82-247-153-241.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
19:17|-|egypcio [~egypcio@200.150.132.61] has joined #debian
19:18|-|egypcio [~egypcio@200.150.132.61] has left #debian []
19:20|-|munckfish [~munckfish@82-41-13-152.cable.ubr02.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
19:21|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:21|-|dude [~dude@69-30-67-179.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #debian
19:22|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
19:23|-|mode/#debian [+l 292] by debhelper
19:26|-|damejiar [damejiar@190.53.127.252] has joined #debian
19:26|-|makke [~makke@p50914639.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
19:26|-|panagos [panagos@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:29|-|Martinp23 [~martinp2@78.32.24.161] has joined #debian
19:30|-|MikkLinux [~mikk@c-24-126-237-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:30|-|Martinp24 [~martinp2@78.32.24.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:30|-|MikkLinux [~mikk@c-24-126-237-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #debian
19:30|-|emonge [~emonge@190.53.119.8] has joined #debian
19:33|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #debian
19:35<dude>.
19:35<MikkLinux>yes we know dude... we know
19:35<MikkLinux>believe me we know
19:35<MikkLinux>all to well
19:39|-|gaston [~bougie@s5593b46f.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #debian []
19:39<dude>:0
19:40|-|Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:40|-|mrsjester [~martini@77-101-254-63.cable.ubr13.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #debian
19:41|-|dude [~dude@69-30-67-179.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has quit [Quit: changing servers]
19:43|-|e-Flex [~e@c83-255-29-195.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:43|-|Holborn [~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection refused]
19:44|-|kevin19 [~kevin19@ip72-209-150-45.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #debian
19:44|-|mrsjester [~martini@77-101-254-63.cable.ubr13.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit []
19:44|-|kevin19 [~kevin19@ip72-209-150-45.ks.ks.cox.net] has left #debian []
19:45|-|elbow [~elbow@acat21.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
19:45|-|elbow [~elbow@acat21.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit []
19:51|-|ben__ [~ben@i-195-137-17-204.freedom2surf.net] has joined #debian
19:51|-|motohopps [~motohopps@ip70-188-97-101.lf.br.cox.net] has joined #debian
19:51|-|Mr_Giraffe [~dickblood@c-69-248-196-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
19:53|-|keith80403 [~keith8040@71-218-231-6.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
19:53|-|gothmog [~gothmog@190.24.32.85] has joined #debian
19:54|-|rjent [~rjent@204.184.227.250] has quit [Quit: Gone.]
19:55|-|woozy [~bug@cable-213-132-147-216.upc.chello.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
19:59|-|motohopps [~motohopps@ip70-188-97-101.lf.br.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
20:01|-|Phocean [~Phocean@abo-107-23-69.bdx.modulonet.fr] has joined #debian
20:01|-|Martinp24 [~martinp2@78.32.24.161] has joined #debian
20:02|-|Phocean [~Phocean@abo-107-23-69.bdx.modulonet.fr] has quit []
20:02|-|gothmog [~gothmog@190.24.32.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:02|-|Atomo64 [~Atomo64@200.92.153.209] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:03|-|pos [~mark@89.130.6.136] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
20:04|-|ben__ [~ben@i-195-137-17-204.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:04|-|jim_ [~jim@CPE0040f4e78a1b-CM0019475df756.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #debian
20:05|-|jim_ [~jim@CPE0040f4e78a1b-CM0019475df756.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:06|-|keith80403 [~keith8040@71-218-219-192.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #debian
20:07|-|mankod [~mankod@dsl-200-67-228-44.prod-empresarial.com.mx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:08|-|Martinp23 [~martinp2@78.32.24.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:09|-|ptr [~ptr@Harkness-248.resnet.brown.edu] has quit [Quit: For the Mouse is of an hospitable disposition.]
20:12|-|Martinp24 [~martinp2@78.32.24.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:13|-|mode/#debian [+l 282] by debhelper
20:13|-|Shoco [mario@nemesis.uid0.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:17|-|kalleskaviar [peter@d83-183-5-2.cust.tele2.se] has joined #debian
20:17|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:18|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
20:19|-|Shoco [mario@nemesis.uid0.ch] has joined #debian
20:20|-|kalleskaviar [peter@d83-183-5-2.cust.tele2.se] has left #debian []
20:20|-|ewanm89 changed nick to Cap_J_L_Picard
20:20|-|Cap_J_L_Picard changed nick to ewanm89
20:24|-|steve_ [~steve@go3.ipt.snoc.uk.dontplay.co.uk] has joined #debian
20:25|-|steve_ [~steve@go3.ipt.snoc.uk.dontplay.co.uk] has quit []
20:26|-|Arv3n [~Arv3n@166-82-102-219.quickclick.ctc.net] has joined #debian
20:27|-|Arv3n [~Arv3n@166-82-102-219.quickclick.ctc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:27|-|Arv3n [~Arv3n@166-82-102-219.quickclick.ctc.net] has joined #debian
20:28<Arv3n>Hello.
20:28<Arv3n>How do I install Kickoff on Debian Etch?
20:30<abrotman>what is kickoff?
20:30<Arv3n>The SUSE kicker menu.
20:30<Arv3n>it looks and feels a lot nicer imo.
20:30<abrotman>compile it?
20:30<Arv3n>is that the only way?
20:31<abrotman>is it packaged for debian?
20:31<Arv3n>not in main/contrib/non-free i believe.
20:32<abrotman>can you get it as an RPM ?
20:32|-|atperez [~atperez@200.77.144.21] has joined #debian
20:32<Arv3n>probably.
20:35<abrotman>i'm still not sure what it is .. but you might be able to use alien to convert it
20:36<abrotman>Arv3n: alternately ... ask #debian-kde on irc.freenode.net
20:36|-|Martinp23 [~martinp2@78.32.24.161] has joined #debian
20:40|-|dpalacio [~david@190.66.180.131] has joined #debian
20:40<chealer>abrotman: freenode's #debian-kde is useless, better ask here
20:41|-|gravity [~david@dsl092-079-075.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #debian
20:42<abrotman>chealer: guess my opinion :)
20:43<abrotman>12 vs 28 ... all sleeping :)
20:45<Supaplex>meh
20:45|-|Arv3n [~Arv3n@166-82-102-219.quickclick.ctc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:48|-|atperez [~atperez@200.77.144.21] has quit [Quit: Ya me voy, ya me despido. Cuídense y hasta pronto.]
20:52|-|e-Flex [~e@c83-255-29-195.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #debian
20:56|-|lymeca [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ...and don't forget: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 !]
20:58|-|craigevil [~craigevil@96.144.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:02|-|peppe [~peppe@81-208-83-248.fastres.net] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via]
21:04|-|_spOOn_ [~adam@219-90-201-165.static.adam.com.au] has joined #debian
21:04|-|hazard2 [~hazard@pool-72-93-84-219.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
21:08|-|woozy [~bug@cable-213-132-147-216.upc.chello.be] has joined #debian
21:08|-|dfolks [~dfolks@pool-71-180-236-254.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
21:09|-|dfolks [~dfolks@pool-71-180-236-254.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:11|-|infestator [~infestato@183.167.249.ozerki.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:11<MikkLinux>meh - kickoff just seems like a resource hog
21:12|-|Disputin [~disp@c-24-20-92-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #debian
21:13|-|cvarrick_ [~john@cpe-74-73-17-37.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
21:13|-|lymeca [~lymeca@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #debian
21:13|-|cvarrick [~john@cpe-74-73-17-37.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
21:16|-|tombs [~tombs@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: N.Y.H.C.]
21:18|-|linac [~lin@121.41.50.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:22|-|Mordkopierer [~Mordkopie@p57B56EA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
21:24|-|grigric [~grigric@ANancy-151-1-70-83.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #debian
21:24|-|sebash_ [~sebastian@e176202238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #debian
21:24<grigric>bonsoir
21:24<grigric>oups, hello every body
21:24<Mordkopierer>hello
21:25<grigric>excuse me, i have not seen that's an english irc
21:25|-|soberon [~soberon@201.141.217.232] has joined #debian
21:25<Mordkopierer>you know, it doesnt realy seem to matter as theyre all asleep
21:27<witte>Mordkopierer: it is important that you touch your keyboard very gently in order to limit the noise, otherwise you'll wake everybody up :-)
21:27<Mordkopierer>and im a german, from "te near rine "region, so i hate frenchs naturaly.. see? you dont need to worry, youre in the best hands
21:27[~]Mordkopierer iptoes
21:28[~]Mordkopierer adds silently an T
21:29<witte>:-)
21:29|-|ero_sennin [~jiraiya-s@host-84-223-85-189.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
21:29|-|ero_sennin [~jiraiya-s@host-84-223-85-189.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #debian []
21:29<witte>I'm also not that far from the French border (+/- 100 km) but not in Germany ;-)
21:30<soberon>Good evenning... Please: An advise or link to a "how-to" upgrade from sarge to etch?
21:30|-|Zeus_Away [~Miranda@nat1.ricona.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:30<witte>!sarge->etch
21:30<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security>
21:30|-|Zeus [~Miranda@nat1.ricona.net.ua] has joined #debian
21:30<witte>!release notes
21:30<dpkg>i heard release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes
21:30<witte>!security
21:30<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>
21:31|-|sebash [~sebastian@e176193175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:31<witte>!tell Zeus about away
21:32<Mordkopierer>!tell Zeus about the fuck the god do by theyr absense
21:32<soberon>So... with these source in my sources.list is enough?... or comment the sarge sources?
21:33|-|mode/#debian [+l 288] by debhelper
21:33<witte>soberon: well, you start with reading the links dpkg gave you, and then changing the sources.list to etch and doing everythign in accordance with the documents
21:33<gsimmons>soberon: The procedures in the Etch release notes are quite comprensive. They detail all of the necessary steps to perform.
21:34<soberon>All right!... Thanks a lot Witte+Gsimmons+Dpkg
21:35<soberon>See you
21:35|-|freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
21:35<witte>soberon: good luck!
21:35<Mordkopierer>hm, let me keep this simple, if i would ask for help would anyone answer " type: /server help"?
21:36<witte>Mordkopierer: probably that depends on what you ask
21:37|-|soberon [~soberon@201.141.217.232] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
21:37|-|panthera [~daniel@unable-to-package.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:37<Mordkopierer>hehe, actually, i just look for a chanel with more or less grown up people to hang out with, witte
21:38<witte>Mordkopierer: no problem, this is no chat channel anyhow
21:41<Mordkopierer>oh, well? it isnt..? what generaly did i misunderstand at IRC then?
21:41<DarkX>this is more of a support channel
21:41<DarkX>if you wish to talk join #offtopic
21:41<witte>Mordkopierer: well, it is a debian support channel, no "asl" thng
21:41<witte>s/thng/thing/
21:42<Mordkopierer>ok, thanks
21:42|-|Mordkopierer [~Mordkopie@p57B56EA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #debian [Konversation terminated!]
21:43|-|rmayorga_ changed nick to rmayorga
21:43|-|panthera [~daniel@unable-to-package.org] has joined #debian
21:48|-|Troyan0 [soul@201.248.202.248] has quit [Quit: Me fuí pal carajo...!]
21:48|-|esaym [~user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #debian
21:50|-|f3d [~f3d@ppp-70-251-234-15.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #debian
21:51<f3d>ubuntu = hooah
21:52<witte>f3d: i agree, it is awfull
21:53|-|mohkohn [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has joined #debian
21:54|-|Internat3 [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:54|-|internat85 [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #debian
21:55<f3d>i prefer freebsd
21:55|-|mohkohn_ [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has joined #debian
21:57<DarkX>see but f3d this is a debian channel..not freeBSD or Ubuntu
21:58|-||HellTiger| [~HellTiger@p5B0CFF62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.4 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/]
22:03|-|mohkohn [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:03|-|mohkohn_ [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:04|-|mohkohn [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has joined #debian
22:04|-|pawe3 [~pawe3@bxr182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian
22:05|-|varun_ [~varun@203.199.213.67] has joined #debian
22:06|-|pawe3 [~pawe3@bxr182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:07|-|varun_ [~varun@203.199.213.67] has quit []
22:10|-|mohkohn_ [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has joined #debian
22:11|-|qeed [~qeed@adsl-154-141-194.mco.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: qeed]
22:15|-|mohkohn [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:16|-|mohkohn_ [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:17|-|mohkohn [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has joined #debian
22:18|-|esaym [~user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:21|-|GhostlyDeath [~steven@ool-44c5a585.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: http://remood.sf.net/]
22:23|-|LightKnight [~gabry@adsl-227-79.38-151.net24.it] has quit [Quit: Client exiting]
22:25|-|Althaser [~GNU@bl7-218-48.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: session_destroy();]
22:25|-|f3d [~f3d@ppp-70-251-234-15.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:28|-|emonge [~emonge@190.53.119.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:29|-|MACHO24_TALCA [~ubuntu@10-77-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #debian
22:29|-|MACHO24_TALCA [~ubuntu@10-77-112.adsl.terra.cl] has quit []
22:31|-|grigric [~grigric@ANancy-151-1-70-83.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
22:33|-|mode/#debian [+l 280] by debhelper
22:33|-|mohkohn [~pjharper@202.93.10.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:33|-|ghost [~ghost@S0106001346f05a37.va.shawcable.net] has joined #debian
22:33|-|esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has joined #debian
22:33|-|freealan [~freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]
22:33|-|esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:34|-|james [~james@71.94.22.55] has joined #debian
22:34|-|jrmuizel [~jeff@bas1-toronto46-1177856679.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #debian
22:34|-|james changed nick to Guest229
22:34|-|Guest229 changed nick to iaquai
22:35<ghost>!
22:36|-|ghost [~ghost@S0106001346f05a37.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:36|-|jrmuizel [~jeff@bas1-toronto46-1177856679.dsl.bell.ca] has left #debian []
22:36|-|iaquai [~james@71.94.22.55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:38|-|isi [~isi@p57AB683A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
22:38|-|ntbnnt [~ntbnnt@72.170.47.92] has joined #debian
22:40|-|isi [~isi@p57AB683A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:43|-|reynaldo [~rverdejo@190-82-59-4.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has joined #debian
22:54|-|angel [~angel@201.227.119.11] has joined #debian
22:57|-|Concrete [vaqas@5356683D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #debian
22:57<Concrete>whats the latest in debian software?
22:58<petemc>latest what?
22:58|-|iridium [~dasueta@190.48.166.78] has joined #debian
23:00<Supaplex>Concrete: topic
23:03|-|iridium [~dasueta@190.48.166.78] has quit []
23:09|-|streuner_ [~streuner@p54A5CC57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
23:11|-|MikkLinux [~mikk@c-24-126-237-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
23:11|-|antinullaptop [~null@d14-69-109-169.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #debian
23:11|-|antinullaptop [~null@d14-69-109-169.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit []
23:16|-|streuner [~streuner@p54A5E408.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:21|-|kart_ [~kart_@202.189.249.206] has joined #debian
23:22|-|kart_ [~kart_@202.189.249.206] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
23:22|-|kart_ [~kart_@202.189.249.206] has joined #debian
23:22|-|esaym [~user@72.183.198.134] has joined #debian
23:25|-|jimS [~jim@pool-70-104-17-209.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:25|-|angel [~angel@201.227.119.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:25|-|_spOOn_ [~adam@219-90-201-165.static.adam.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
23:28|-|oberon [~oberon@e181242197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:34|-|jimS [~jim@pool-70-104-17-209.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #debian
23:34|-|jimS [~jim@pool-70-104-17-209.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:36|-|kart_ [~kart_@202.189.249.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:36|-|internat85 [~nf@dsl-58-6-125-95.qld.westnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
23:36|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-21-68-197.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:37|-|mankod [mankod@200.92.195.95] has joined #debian
23:39|-|dpalacio [~david@190.66.180.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:39|-|kanru [~kanru@NAT-srv55.ncnu.edu.tw] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
23:42<cvarrick>quick question: if i do apt-get install it used to prompt y/n to install, now it it assumes yes. Did i toggle a setting somewhere?
23:43|-|shardzez [~kt@dblt-216-227-25-179.gtcom.net] has joined #debian
23:44<cvarrick>or did the default behaviour change?
23:44|-|aletornw [~chatzilla@223-181-231-201.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #debian
23:45<petemc>i thought it asks you for more than one package
23:45<petemc>i might be wrong tho
23:45<aletornw>hello
23:45<aletornw>i just installed debian lenny base and i don't know how to install kde
23:46<petemc>tried aptitude install kde
23:46<gsimmons>!install kde
23:46<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall
23:46|-|dli [~dli@adsl-75-21-82-85.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
23:47<aletornw>oh thanks for the link
23:48<aletornw>but with aptitude install kde it will download it from internet or use the dvd?
23:48<petemc>depends whats in /etc/apt/sources.list
23:49<aletornw>it's a fresh install
23:49<aletornw>from the lenny dvd
23:49<petemc>same applies
23:50|-|kart_ [~kart_@static-mum-59.181.126.65.mtnl.net.in] has joined #debian
23:50<aletornw>and to install kde4rc1 what should i do?
23:51<petemc>a lot of reading
23:53|-|Joris_ [joris@082-146-097-136.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has joined #debian
23:54<aletornw>i have already read a lot
23:54<aletornw>i got tutorials for ubuntu
23:54<aletornw>but not for debian
23:55<petemc>you'll find support for running beta software to be lacking
23:55|-|waldschrat [~waldschra@dslb-084-058-197-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #debian
23:55|-|waldschrat [~waldschra@dslb-084-058-197-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit []
23:57<aletornw>sorry i don't know a lot of english
23:57<aletornw>what should i do?
23:57<petemc>your english seems fine
23:58<aletornw>oh great
23:59<aletornw>i was a kubuntu user
23:59<aletornw>but now i want to know how to do the things by myself
---Logclosed Sat Dec 01 00:00:16 2007