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---Logopened Fri Nov 30 00:00:05 2007
---Daychanged Fri Nov 30 2007
00:00<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
00:00<dwu>Welp, not so much copied as "instantly exists" then.
00:00<alaya>ah nice
00:00<alaya>i really need to get in the habit of trying to update/create factoids
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00:00<simonrvn>ugh that factoid wasn't copied in to utf-8
00:01<supercat>bye ..
00:02<dwu>alaya: why create? I get update... but why explicitly create?
00:02<dwu>simonrvn: EDIT!
00:02<simonrvn>wouldn't know what to put otherwise i would
00:02<alaya>dwu: only create if not already exist
00:03<dwu>alaya: Yes, that's my point. What -sort- of factoid to create, etc.?
00:03<dwu>Factoids for the sake of factoids, ew.
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00:04<college>did that a kill guy wright code that effects linux???
00:06[~]simonrvn yawns
00:06<college>its some bad stuff
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00:08<college>how can i look for hackers of apps that someone might of put on my pc?
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00:09<alaya>interesting discussion about Readyboost and Linux:
00:09<dli>college, try chkrootkit rkhunter
00:09<alaya>simply allocating a usb drive as swap is not the same as what readyboost does
00:10<alaya>"When part of the running application is swapped out, memory that is swapped in on demand is mostly small blocks from random locations. Most of the time of the HDD is wasted on the seeking while swapping. So while USB storage has slower throughput, it has near zero seeking time, so total performance becomes faster."
00:11<simonrvn>college: dude, they're (mostly) talking about windows boxen
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00:11<simonrvn>college: what linuxen have to be careful of is rootkits
00:12<college>linuxen root kits?
00:12<simonrvn>dwu: how about *you* fix the factoid? ;)
00:13<dwu>simonrvn: I don't know what the factoid was trying to say either, and fuck if I'm hunting down the glyphs.
00:14<simonrvn>too mangled to do much with
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00:20<infinitycircuit>does anyone know if a kernel being compiled to optimize battery life should have no forced preemption enabled or low-latency preemption enabled?
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00:21<matthewpoer>I'm attempting to connect my Etch system to my blackberry, but it seems impossible to pair the devices together. I have set the passkey in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf as well as /etc/bluetooth/pin. Still they cannot connect.
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00:23<alaya>infinitycircuit: can any kernel customizations really have any significant effect on battery life over many of the more obvious system optimizations?
00:23<erich_>Hey guys, what's the easiest way to install pidgin?
00:23<dli>!tell erich_ about backport
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00:24<alaya>infinitycircuit: e.g. installing laptop-mode-tools, powersaved, turning off unnecessary services, etc.?
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00:26<erich_>Cheers dli
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00:26<infinitycircuit>alaya, yes, the 2.6.24-rc2 kernels and newer produce serious power improvements. the group scheduler and the introduction of the steinberg and pallipadi hpet patches into the mainline
00:27<infinitycircuit>have greatly reduced wattage output
00:27<infinitycircuit>alaya, incidentally, powersaved and other userspace daemons are less efficient than the kernel's ondemand governor
00:28<dwu>And... someone's -pasting-... *grin*
00:28<alaya>infinitycircuit: i see. i didn't know that. guess i might wait for the new kernel version/features to trickle down into debian
00:28<infinitycircuit>dwu, if i was pasting i would probably have a source that would answer my question in the same place haha
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00:30<alaya>infinitycircuit: btw, my biggest power-related issue is suspend crashing the box :-( always afraid to try new kernels for that reason.
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00:37<internat85>anyone know of a very lightweight proxy that i can put on port 80 to forward requests for either tomcat or apache to the respective machines.. filtering based on hostname? so i can set which host goes to which machine?
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00:51<college>google it
00:51<college>google works well
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00:57<college>hhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa ROOT KIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS TIEM TO KILL IT !!!!!!!!!!
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01:01<college>IN THE TERMINAL
01:02<k-man>turn caps lock off and I'll tell you
01:02<k-man>do you mean you want to extract a tar.gz?
01:03<k-man>tar tzvf file.tar.gz
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01:03<k-man>i mean
01:03<k-man>tar xzvf file.tar.gz
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01:08<k-man>i did tell you
01:08<k-man>tar xzvf file.tar.gz
01:08<k-man>college, man tar
01:09<college>o thank you
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01:28<Requiem>How do I file bug reports? I seem to have a data destruction bug in lenny
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01:29<gsimmons>!tell Requiem -about reportbug
01:32<Requiem>hmm, hold off on reporting it until I'm sure just which parts of the bug are caused by this source
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01:57<WEL>anybody home
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02:54<linux7>hi po
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03:05<rodnet>ne one here using an ati card with etch?
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03:11<alaya>i use ati
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03:47<kmap>Hanyyy: While it's good custom to greet people, please do keep the noise down. :-)
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04:08<Ikarus>okay, who killed djb, admit it, it was one of you :P
04:10<andrej>hello! may i install subtitleedito which is under gnome tab i use kde and there is ksubtitle and does not support my subs so my question is if subtibleeditor for gnome will work for me in kde ?
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04:10<Ikarus>andrej: sure
04:10<Ikarus>subtitleeditor has some minor bugs though, be aware
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04:12<andrej>what kind of bugs if you know (don't bother to search) ?
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04:13<Ikarus>andrej: you might not notice them, but occaisionally property saving goes wrong
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04:15<andrej>ok thx!
04:16<dwu>Killed DKJB?
04:16<dwu>Er, DJB.
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04:39<aniac>can smb help me about installing maven in ubuntu plz?
04:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.
04:40<aniac>ok guys, thnx!
04:40<aniac>hmmm don't know so much about lnx, although I like it ...
04:41<aniac>but I think ubuntu is the best of "user friendly" lite distros....
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04:41<aniac>isn't that?
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04:43<aniac>dwu thnx, I already joined there... the question was general about lnx distributions... not nessecarily for ubuntu
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04:43<dwu>##linux, #linux. Whatevs. And spell "linux" in full. And "thanks". And "somebody". And "please".
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04:44<aniac>Okay, thanks!
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04:47<trueno>Hi! Is there a way to change a .deb package dependencies?
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04:49<padski>trueno: for why ?
04:50<BoBo>what is name paket for webmin ?
04:50<BoBo>for install webmin ?
04:50<gsimmons>!tell BoBo -about webmin
04:50<padski>BoBo: webmin isn't packaged in debian at this time, but the upstream does a .seb package
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05:09<trueno>padski: because I need tripod and it does not work with libgpod2 but libgpod3
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05:27<padski>trueno: this is the package in unstable ? it seems to depend on both
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05:28<padski>or is that different versions on different arches ?
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05:28<trueno>padski: I see, I got an email from the maintainer saying so :-))
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05:30<trueno>padski: however, he says they are making the transition
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05:32<trueno>gotta go, bye!
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05:42<seaLne> seems to have disapeared is the correct thing for debian/watch with based projects to use project-([\d.]*).tar.gz ?
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06:44<tonyk11>hey guys, I want to save my old mail in evolution in mbox format, and move it out of the way. What is the best way to do it?
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06:50<tonyk11>anybody there? where are the old debianers?
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06:51<petemc>most people dont use evolution due to it being shit
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06:51<petemc>doesnt it use mbox to store its mails anway?
06:52<themill>I thought so. It used to do so before I gave it the boot.
06:52<tonyk11>petemc: yes, but there is a lot of crap evrywhere
06:52<tonyk11>and i don't want to mess it up, i agree that is crap, but my wife can't handle mutt
06:53<themill>tonyk11: kmail is very nice. t'bird is ok too
06:54<tonyk11>so i need to keep it alive for her, hmm, i will try kmail. I use mutt for other accounts.
06:54<themill>tonyk11: IIRC, moving the mbx file and removing the cache files (idx toc or whatever) is sufficient. Backups are good.
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06:55<themill>tonyk11: I use kmail as part of kontact so it has the integrated addressbook, calendar, rss reader. also integrates with kopete (instant messaging)
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06:56<tonyk11>there is a lot of crap also in .gconf from evolution, my fear was that after removing the Inbox (which is in mbox format), something would not work. I definitely will try kmail, can it import settings from evolution?
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07:02<themill>tonyk11: kmail has an "import from evo" wizard. It can also use maildir btw.
07:03<themill>tonyk11: I think I actually did it using dovecot though. Not sure why... it was a while ago that I changed so kmail might not have had that importer at the time.
07:03<themill>bah.... he's gone.
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07:05<themill>dpkg: wb
07:05<dpkg_>thanks, themill. It's good to be back.
07:06<referi>где руские сидят?
07:06<referi> :-)
07:06<dpkg_>[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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07:17<ROF>Hello. I wish to restart a remote windows machine, using my linux shell. I know there is a command, but I forgot. Can you help me?
07:19<themill>ROF: if the remote machine is running ssh under cygwin then perhaps. But not otherwise. You could try sending it the ping of death or something though...
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07:28<E0x>ROF: if you have telnet access , shutdown -r will reboot it
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07:38<themill>E0x: is there a shutdown command under windoze? I didn't think there was.
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07:39<padski>themill: there is, yes
07:39<themill>hmmm... will have to try that out one day....
07:40<padski>IIRC the shutdown prog on windows can be pointed at workstations too ?
07:40<padski>as in remote machines
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07:43<N1ghtCrawler> /topic
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07:46<themill>ROF: so that should be /r not -r then
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07:47<themill>padski: which PoS is identifying itself as 5.2? (used to know these things but never touch them these days)
07:47<padski>themill: 2k3
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07:48<themill>padski: ahh... naturally. Now why didn't I think of that :(
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07:48<padski>themill: shutdown -r will also work. I just tried it :-)
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07:48<themill>excellent... so M$ can't decide on / vs - these days.
07:48<padski>anyone know how to stop an impending reboot on a windows server ;-)
07:49<themill>shutdown /a
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07:49<themill>padski: /a Abort a system shutdown. This can only be used during the time-out period
07:49<themill>padski: from your pastebin ;)
07:49<padski>themill: thanks, but it was too late :-(
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07:50<themill>oh well... no one was expecting it to stay up were they?
07:50<padski>C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>shutdown /a \n A system shutdown is in progress.(1115)
07:50<padski>still, I learnt something usefull :-)
07:51<padski>themill: no, I am at liberty to randomly reboot this machine if I want to :-)
07:52<themill>padski: but won't everyone just assume that it fell over (again) and move on, nothing to see...
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07:53<padski>themill: If a windows machine crashes in a forest^wsea of viruses ... ?
07:53<themill>yeah, that one
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07:54<ghvg>Hola a todos
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07:55<dpkg_>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:57<locsmif>hi, is this normal? (I can solve it ofcourse, but shouldn't postfix be pulled in automatically) ->
07:59<themill>locsmif: what's in your source.list? Do you have any pinning or packages on hold?
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08:01<locsmif>themill, no pinning, no holds
08:01<padski>+b1 is only on i386 ??
08:01<locsmif>sources.list is a normal Debian Etch
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08:01<themill>locsmif: what arch? amd64?
08:02<themill>padski: well spotted. odd.
08:02<locsmif>themill: i386
08:02<padski>themill: what is that anyway a binNMU ??
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08:03<padski>ah! and it only depends on that for i386
08:04<locsmif>technically i686 ofcourse
08:04<locsmif>but Debian arch == i386
08:04<locsmif>aptitude does properly solve the situation
08:05<locsmif>Would you like to see its output?
08:05<themill>locsmif: can you pastebin apt-cache policy postfix
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08:05<locsmif>themill: sure
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08:07<themill>locsmif: how odd.
08:07<locsmif>themill: now apt-get doesn't complain anymore
08:07<locsmif>themill: no idea what happened
08:07<themill>locsmif: even more odd then.
08:08<indraveni>hi all
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08:08<locsmif>hi indraveni
08:08<indraveni>when ever i am opening, my file browser its just closes with a message
08:08<indraveni>nautilus crashed
08:09<themill>locsmif: the depends line is a little odd which might cause apt some confusion: Depends: [...cruft...], postfix, postfix (= 2.3.8-2+b1)
08:09<locsmif>my bad
08:09<locsmif>i typed apt-get install postfix now
08:09<locsmif>error not resolved
08:09<locsmif>themill: aha
08:09<themill>locsmif: but it sounds like postfix itself can't be installed for some reason?
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08:11<locsmif>themill: it can
08:11<locsmif>just wanted to check if this behavior for postfix-mysql with apt-get merits a bug report
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08:12<locsmif>i have no idea what the maintainer wants with that depends line
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08:12<themill>locsmif: it will be something to do with the funny binNMU that occurred just before etch's release
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08:15<locsmif>if i would submit a bugreport, i'll be sure to check related info first then
08:15<locsmif>bug db, package info, mailing list etc.
08:15<locsmif>$ lintian postfix-mysql_2.1.5-9_i386.deb
08:15<locsmif>W: postfix-mysql: package-has-a-duplicate-relation depends: postfix, postfix (= 2.1.5-9)
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08:18<BoBo>how set a ip forward
08:18<BoBo>i have 2 eth
08:18<BoBo>is internet
08:18<BoBo>and eth1 is locall
08:18<indraveni>anyone there to help me from my nautilus get crashed
08:19<BoBo>and how set port 8080 forword for locall ?
08:19<BoBo>for another computer
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08:19<BoBo>i have one ip extern
08:19<themill>BoBo: are you just wanting to do NAT for the second computer?
08:19<BoBo>internet i have to second computer
08:20<BoBo>how set port forword
08:20<BoBo>8080 to second computer :P
08:20<BoBo>when to enter http
08:21<BoBo>when to enter to go in
08:21<BoBo>you understend ?
08:22<BoBo>i don`t speak very good english sorry
08:22<locsmif>iptables -I INPUT -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to <ip>:<port>
08:22<locsmif>iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT
08:22<BoBo>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
08:22<BoBo>don`t work :(
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08:23<locsmif>echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
08:24<locsmif>Those three should do
08:24<locsmif>I don't know what caused your error
08:24<BoBo>BoBo:~# echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
08:24<BoBo>BoBo:~# iptables -I INPUT -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to
08:24<BoBo>iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
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08:24<BoBo>don`t work :(
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08:27<locsmif>iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to <ip>:<port>
08:28<locsmif>replace INPUT with PREROUTING there
08:28<locsmif>possibly you need to tweak this later so that outbound traffic isn't natted also
08:28<locsmif>It's been a while since I've done this
08:28<BoBo>BoBo:~# iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to
08:28<BoBo>and now work ?
08:29<locsmif>Did you do all three lines? Take not: do not do them repeatedly
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08:29<BoBo>one line
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08:29<BoBo>iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to
08:29<locsmif>Then do the other two
08:31<locsmif>you can list the current rules with : iptables -t filter -L -v -n --line-numbers; iptables -t nat -L -v -n --line-numbers
08:31<BoBo>no work locsmif
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08:31<locsmif>BoBo: it doesn't just work like that, you have to test it
08:32<locsmif>BoBo: paste the output of the following command into a pastebin
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08:32<BoBo>iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DNAT --to
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08:32<BoBo>this first ?
08:32<locsmif>iptables -t filter -L -v -n --line-numbers; echo "---"; iptables -t nat -L -v -n --line-numbers; echo "---"; cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
08:32<locsmif>paste the output of that command into or so
08:33<BoBo>i don`t understend ...
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08:35<locsmif>copy and paste the command I showed you about into a root shell, then select the output, copy it, go to and paste it in the box. Fill in your nickname and press "send"
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08:35<BoBo>locsmif now how reset all comands in iptables ?
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08:36<locsmif>iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT; iptabels -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F; iptables -X
08:36<locsmif>that resets the entire table
08:36<BoBo>-bash: iptabels: command not found
08:36<locsmif>iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F; iptables -X
08:37<locsmif>spelling error on my part, sorry
08:38<BoBo>i don`t know how set port forword :(
08:38<locsmif>BoBo: you will be able to if you help me help you.
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08:39<locsmif>iptables -t filter -L -v -n --line-numbers; echo "---"; iptables -t nat -L -v -n --line-numbers; echo "---"; cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
08:39<BoBo>don`t work ...
08:39<locsmif>copy and paste the command shown above into a root shell, then select the output, copy it, go to and paste it in the box. Fill in your nickname and press "send"
08:39<locsmif>who told you that makes it work?
08:39<locsmif>i just want to see what's going on
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08:41<locsmif>that info can then help me to fix your problem
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08:41<locsmif>BoBo: if that doesn't please your highness, go fix it yourself
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08:47<mohkohn>if I am downloading an .iso and it is going to take 31:25:15 can I stop and continue again tomorrow?
08:47<mohkohn>Or do I have to start all over again tomorrow?
08:47<supaman>if you use wget you can do that yes
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08:48<mohkohn>thanks supaman
08:48<supaman>mohkohn: but read the man page before you start doing stuff like that
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08:48<themill>mohkohn: the server needs to support resume too
08:49<supaman>mohkohn: a simple test would be nice ... download for 10 minutes ... abort and then resume, see if it works
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08:50<mohkohn>good idea
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09:27<afflux>Hi! Can anyone tell me what su-wrapper should be used for .desktop and/or for menu files? I guess su-to-root for menu, but is that okay for .desktop too? grep -r 'Exec=su-to-root' /usr/share/applications doen't give anything.
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09:33<themill>afflux: gksu or gksudo work very nicely.
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09:35<afflux>themill: so it's okay and not against any policies or something like that?
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09:38<themill>afflux: ummm... not sure. #debian-mentors or actually their mailing list might be more informative. You'd probably have to depend on it if you were going to use it that way.
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09:39<afflux>themill: alright, I'll ask there
09:39<afflux>themill: thank you
09:39<themill>np. I'm not sure that you'll get an answer in #d-m today.. it's been pretty quiet. Shoot off an email to the d-m mailing list might be more successful though
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09:40<sasha>hi i would like to stop the upgrades of the linux kernel , how can i do that : hold or pinning
09:40<sasha>on linux image
09:41<dpkg>hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri
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09:47<sasha>hi or to remove an hold flag with dpkg
09:48<dli_>sasha, the easiest, "apt-get install foo" explicitly
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09:49<themill>dpkg: greet Vituz
09:49<dpkg>Hello, Vituz
09:50<Vituz>does anyone here use centericq?
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09:50<themill>!just ask
09:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask
09:50<Vituz>for some reason its not letting me connect to msn today.. was working fine just a couple of hours ago
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09:51<lymeca>Anyone here know about troubleshooting the anonftpsync script for setting up Debian mirrors of package repositories
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09:54<Vituz>was going to try installing centerim but kept running into dependency issues so gave up on that
09:55<Vituz>or is msn just down?
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09:56<Vituz>using debian 4.0 and centericq 4.21.0 if that helps any
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09:57<Vituz>well I'm going to keep looking for an answer if someone can let know I'd appreciate it
09:58<rkos>how can i check my hardware infos?
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09:59<Maulkin>rkos: lspci lsusb dmidecode /proc/cpuinfo /proc/meminfo /proc/bus/*
09:59<gsimmons>!tell rkos -about what's my hardware
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10:00<Vituz>!tell vituz how to fix his centericq :P
10:00<Vituz>didn't think so
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10:01<Vituz>is there any other good console based msn clients?
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10:07<padski>earlier today I created a user on a vista box. apparently this reset the firewall. no kidding :-)
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10:11[~]witte thinks there are too many star trek fans here
10:11<ptr>A certain process on my system has, over the last two days, decided to leak memory like crazy, eating it all up and once necessitating a hard reboot
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10:11<rkos>uh, any idea how to find out what drivers i need for my soundcard and network card? for windows xp that is since they're not working on it
10:11<ptr>Is there a tool out there that I could use to monitor the memory usage over time of a single process? I'd kind of like to know when it's deciding to go haywire
10:11<Vituz>does anyone know if msn is up right now?
10:11<rkos>probably not the place to ask but don't know anywhere else
10:11<ptr>I'm not all that surprised (it's compiz), but I am disappointed
10:12<padski>witte: it's stargate week over on #cygwin
10:12<ptr>I suppose I could just write a script to output ps auwx | grep compiz >> somefile every five minutes
10:12<ptr>mebbe I'll do that
10:12<Vituz>k well not getting much help here anyway and Im in class so thanks anyway
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10:13<ptr>Giddyup 303
10:13<ptr>rkos: what's the sound card, and the network card?
10:14<ptr>rkos: hey, sweet, there's a ##windows over on freenode. Check it out!
10:14<padski>ptr: I have done exactly that before now :-)
10:15<ptr>hehe, okie dokie ^.^ Thanks
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10:16<sasha>hi could someone explain me how no to upgrade linux-source* and linux-image* packages , hold dont work and i can not set pinning
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10:18<Armadillio>oh my goodness, my WUSB11v4 card doesn't work
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10:19<padski>sasha: I don't understand. you want to pin them in from testing or unstable ?
10:19<sasha>padski : i compile them myself
10:19<witte>!does not work
10:19<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
10:19<sasha>i don t want to download the official debian upgrades
10:19<padski>sasha: you make .deb packages ?
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10:20<sasha>with make kpkg
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10:20<padski>sasha: and you want to install them ?
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10:21<dpkg>methinks rr is Ram & Rom, a computer store in Oslo, Norway. RR is also RockRidge, an extension to ISO-9660, which allows unix filesystem semantics to be stored on a standard data CD. Unenlightened OS's will ignore it, and it can work alongside both Joliet and HFS extensions. Resource Record
10:21<sasha>no i dont want to always install the upgrades from the officials rep cause i have more than 15 kernel in my grub and it waste to much space
10:21<Armadillio>do a fresh install on partition, then take the installed packages from that to the other installation
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10:22<padski>sasha: you want to get kernels from your own repo and pin to that ?
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10:23<sasha>i would like to always download the source by myself and create .deb with make-kpkg but never install the ones from the debian/testing repos
10:23<gsimmons>Armadillio: Your WUSB11v4 has a ALi M4301A chipset. I'm not aware of any native Linux drivers available, you'll likely need to use ndiswrapper.
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10:24<padski>sasha: ok. I think what I described: pin to your own repo would acheive that. it is the best way I can think of.
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10:25<sasha>my repo , you mean /usr/src folder so
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10:26<jthomas>after my dist-upgrade to testing (Lenny) yesterday, my KDE fish:// protocol nop longer works. Any one know how to fix that?
10:27<alaya>jthomas: does it require sshfs or fuse or something?
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10:28<jthomas>ssh, not sure about sshfs or fuse, since those two are working (sshfs uses fuse, and sshfs is working)
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10:29<padski>sasha: a "trivial repository" is a breeze to setup
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10:33<jthomas>just ran a dist-upgrade to my Lenny, then restarted KDE; fish:// still not working "The process for the fish://alpha.bravo protocol died unexpectedly."
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10:41<themill>jthomas: can you ssh to the box from the terminal?
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10:41<themill>jthomas: and is your shell clean? i.e. does "ssh alpha.bravo true" return any output?
10:42<jthomas>it just asks for my password, then returns me to my own shell
10:43<themill>jthomas: hmm... those two things are the normal cause of fish not working. You could try deleting the file on the remote machine to upload a newer version (in case that's changed).
10:43<themill>jthomas: also, try using sftp:// rather than fish:// if you can. It's much faster and usually more reliable.
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10:45<jthomas>hmm i may try that then. I moved my local to and tried it again; that failed also but then I couldn't click the [OK] on the error dialog; once I killed that now my kicker died also. sheesh.
10:46<themill>yuck. Did you log out and then log back in when you upgraded kde?
10:46<whadar>how can I check on existence of an executable using bash? I don't want to use if [ -e /usr/bin/app ] because the app could be in various places...
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10:47<themill>whadar: type, which or whereis
10:47<jthomas>yeah, powered down over the night, then it failed; then i ran dist-upgrade this morning (no KDE things updated tho) and restarted KDE and X, still failing.
10:47<whadar>themill: thanks
10:48<themill>jthomas: well, those are all the usual suspects for these sorts of things. Nothing on the bts?
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10:51<whadar>I use if [ $(which dchroot | wc -l) = 0 ]... is there a more elegant way to do it (without wc -l)
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10:51<jthomas>themill: what means 'bts' ?
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10:52<dpkg>[bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or apt-get install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of "sid" are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
10:52<jthomas>i don't know the package name, is it a KIO slave?
10:52<themill>jthomas: yes
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10:53<themill>whadar: man which --- the exit status is set according to what it found. if which dchroot; then ... is fine.
10:54<themill>whadar: [ ] are not needed in this case as you're just testing the exit status. You might like to use "if which dchroot >/dev/null ; then ..." to reduce noise
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10:57<daffytheduck>hi there Ive got a question about aptitude and dpkg, Im building a lfs system from lenny and im wondering if I can encorporate aptitude into the system with dpkg and checkinstall to manage packages any help would be appreciated
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10:57<jthomas>what a mess on the Debian BTS, very... oldschool cluttered HTML... anyways I see no related bug, nor do I see a button to report a bug.
10:58<daffytheduck>it is BTS
10:58<jthomas>its seriously not very friendly, huh.
10:59<daffytheduck>thats the bug tracking system right
10:59<petemc>jthomas: cluttered html?
10:59<jthomas>well I updated all of my server links to sftp:// and they work, so i'll just use that.
10:59<petemc>the bts was spruced up not so long ago, i thought
10:59<jthomas>cluttered page layout, in HTML. yes.
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10:59<jthomas>perhaps but it has waay to much cryptic info for a casual glance at trying to decypher it
10:59<petemc>are you volunteering to fix it?
10:59<daffytheduck>who looks aafter the webdev for debian
11:00<jthomas>lol no, if I could I would...
11:01<jthomas>and anything that I would 'fix' would be decried by the hardcore who want that info at their fingertips, and since they're likely the developers or maintainers, I'd rather let them have it their way.
11:01<themill>jthomas: it's the best bug tracking system on the web that i've come across yet that scales to handle the volume of bugs.
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11:01<jthomas>so where does one report a bug?
11:01<daffytheduck>whats the point of that
11:01<jthomas>of what?
11:02<petemc>one uses reportbug
11:02<dpkg>hmm... reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web,
11:02<daffytheduck>its supposed to be an open source setup
11:02<themill>jthomas: type "reportbug" at the command line
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11:03<padski>is there a gui fe to reportbug ? is it good ?
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11:03<themill>padski: iirc there was a SoC project to make one. Not seen anything from that yet though.
11:03<jthomas>i'm using the text-based, its not bad
11:04<themill>jthomas: it also can attach relevant config files/settings that thee maintainer needs to understand the bug which is something that a web-based reporting tool can't do automagically.
11:05<padski>did I see something about work on a web fe also ?
11:06<themill>padski: I think so too. I think the SoC project suffered from some scope-creep and over-ambitious goals. Not sure what came of it in the end.
11:07<jthomas>well my bug is already reported, very nice. the tool could use a 'grep' type option as well to help limit the bugs I have to pass through to find the same issue, but overall very nice.
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11:08<dotCOMmie>I built a software raid array using 8 500GB drives in raid5 configuration (no spares). I'm expecting to see 3.5TB array but mdadm says its 1.3TB. Anyone know why this is so?
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11:22<whadar>do I have to compile the kernel to support more than 8 loop devices?
11:25<themill>whadar: no, there's either a boot param or a /sys/ option for it. Can't tell you off the top of my head though :(
11:25<padski>whadar: I don't think so, no.
11:25<padski>whadar: isn't it an option at module load time ?
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11:27<whadar>is it normal that I don't have /etc/modprobe.conf
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11:27<themill>whadar: yes. that's the old style of doing it.
11:28<themill>whadar: drop a file into /etc/modprobe.d/
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11:29<whadar>you mean cp /etc/modprobe.conf /etc/modprobe.d/?
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11:29<whadar>or touch /etc/modprobe.d/x?
11:29<themill>whadar: no, make a new file /etc/modprobe.d/loopmax with that options line in it
11:29|-|Kanal #debian zsynchronizowany w 122 sekundy
11:29<themill>whadar: and if you didn't have a /etc/modprobe.conf before then get rid of it.
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11:32<whadar>thanks.... going for a reboot mow ;)
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11:32<padski>whadar: that was a wink
11:32<padski>wasn't it ? :-)
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11:36<daffytheduck>i want to compile aptitude and dpkg for a minimal lfs system the version of gcc is 4.1.2 can anyone help me out here thanks
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11:37<flawd>It seems that pidgin has the colors for nicks hardcoded in the source, so they are not affected by gtk themes. I wonder if I can edit the source for and recompile the debian pidgin package and then get securityupdates etc for it, or if its useless if i recompile myself and might just use the latest source for it.
11:38<flawd>suggestions and input appreciated.
11:38<padski>daffytheduck: do you have your own card-punch ?
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11:38<daffytheduck>what do u mean by card-punch
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11:40<padski>daffytheduck: apologies, missed out the ;-)
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11:41<padski>daffytheduck: what do you want to know ?
11:41<daffytheduck>i just want to find the best version of aptitude to compile with gcc 4.1.2
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11:42<daffytheduck>and if it has any heavy dependencies i should know about
11:43<witte>daffytheduck: would you start with the debian package?
11:43<rkos>my browser crashed and it left an annoying crashed window thing on top of my screen, any way to get rid of it without restarting xserver?
11:43<witte>s/would you/would you not better/
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11:43<daffytheduck>how can i install an aptitude deb package without a program like dpkg and aptitude already on the system
11:44<witte>daffytheduck: i meant the debian source package
11:44<daffytheduck>thats why i need to compile them
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11:45<witte>and start with dpkg, afterwards you can dpkg -i aptitude (and its dependencies)
11:45<daffytheduck>if i can do this it will make the lfs system integrate nicely with debian to a point
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11:46<witte>daffytheduck: there are links to the source packages, and you need coreutils and libc6
11:46<daffytheduck>ive gt those
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11:47<daffytheduck>the only thing is the compression ap
11:47<witte>which one?
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11:48<witte>daffytheduck: that one is suggested, not needed
11:48<daffytheduck>there are a lot of dependencies here ill have to meet
11:49<daffytheduck>it should be ok though
11:49<witte>daffytheduck: that is why we use debian, we do not like dependencies ;-)
11:49<daffytheduck>actually it wont have any
11:49<daffytheduck>only if i decide to install apt
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11:50<daffytheduck>this should be ok
11:53<daffytheduck>apt depends on a lib libunwind7 for ia64 could i leave this out for a i386 system
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12:02<stmaher>Hello everyone.. I have an astaro firewall linux installed.. but the version is old.. Im trying to configure snmp.. but the config file looks old and weird..
12:02<stmaher>does anyone know what version of snmpd is install with kernel 2.4.8-asl-0.010815.0
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12:02<Flexy>I've just installed debian sid on new amd platform, first time with so new hardware, that one can get cpu speed lowered when not all "puff" is needed... It seems that after installing cpufreqd stuff, updating bios, etc I've got (actually, debian did it, I just made it possible with installing stuff and updating bios) cpu speed lowered to the lowest. using cpufreq-info, I get to know the speed and that the governor is ondemand.
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12:03<Flexy>I've tried to use and load the computer, but the speed stays at the lowest. On the other hand, I've not noticed any ill effects because of "not enough power"
12:04<Flexy>how can I test if the cpu speed gets up eventually?
12:04<koollman>you could do something really cpu intensive
12:04<koollman>'openssl speed' is a good one :)
12:05<supaman>or compile a kernel
12:05<Flexy>openssl speed?
12:05<Flexy>compiling kernel should be intensive
12:06<witte>Flexy: cpuburn?
12:06<koollman>Flexy: openssl speed launch the openssl benchmark for each ciphers supported
12:06<Flexy>koollman: ok, did not know that
12:07<Flexy>witte: ok, that too might be intensive :)
12:07<lamby>I don't recommend compiling a kernel, likely to be IO bound than anything else. Also, you will have to run multiple instances of `openssl speed` if you have a multicore machine.
12:07<Flexy>dual core
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12:07<koollman>at least, I am sure openssl speed is directly cpu bound :)
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12:08<lamby>koollman: Correct, but it's single threaded. :)
12:08<Flexy>I have 2 programs recording via mythtv dvb cards. music playing with cool goom effects on display, still not getting higher freq
12:09<Flexy>lamby: ok, I can put multiple openssl speeds up
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12:09<Flexy>koollman: in which package openssl is?
12:09<koollman>openssl :)
12:10<Flexy>well, I have to check if that comes without confictions with some other ssh server I've installe
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12:12<Flexy>ok, that's clear now. the cpu freq does not get up, according to cpufreq-info
12:12<Flexy>music plays ok, but display shows stuttering with the effects
12:13<Flexy>how to fix this?
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12:20<dominik>:( Co to może jeszcze być
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12:21<dpkg>well, en is english
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12:22<Flexy>how can I found out why cpu speed does not get up when in need?
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12:22<alaya>Flexy: try using powersaved ?
12:23<alaya>or echo "ondemand" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
12:23<Flexy>according to cpufreq-info it's allready on ondemand
12:24<alaya>try "performance" then
12:24<Flexy>fuck, it's on powersave
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12:25<zoubaier>hi everyone
12:25<alaya>i use kpowersave frontend to powersave which is easy to set
12:26<Flexy>alaya: well, performance did not help, cpufreq-info shows that it's set as performance, but the cpu speed stays at the lowest setting
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12:27<alaya>Flexy: odd mine also report as less than full, but i doubt its correct
12:27<Flexy>I use the box as mythtv set, so I don't need the usual desktop etc, what is the simplest way of getting it to work so that cpu speed goes up when needed, down when near idle
12:28<Flexy>alaya: mine is reported as the lowest possible
12:28<Flexy>no matter how I stress the cpu
12:28<alaya>Flexy: hmm no somehow got switched to powersave
12:28<alaya>yeah you want performance mode
12:29<alaya>cat /proc/cpuinfo should show it running at full MHz
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12:29<Flexy>perhaps something is fucked up in cpufreqd installation, because some bios incompatibility when I installed it? upgraded bios and now cpu speed goes way down
12:29<Flexy>done that, it's lowest
12:30<alaya>like i said, try powersaved instead
12:30<Flexy>package powersaved?
12:30<alaya>yes, + kpowersave frontend is nice
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12:31<Flexy>ok, but I can't see the frontend on mythtv box :)
12:31<Flexy>do I still need some cpufreqd packages?
12:32<alaya>no idea
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12:33<Flexy>I'll check (read test :)
12:33<alaya>i would try uninstalling it and seeing how powersaved works
12:33<alaya>since i don't have it installed and everythings working
12:33<Flexy>doing that, thanks :)
12:34<Flexy>I'll have to configure that on text console, though
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12:43<war>Hi, I have a system with the Intel P35 chipset, when I try to install Debian it says my network controller and ICH9 chip is not supported, has anyone installed Debian/Etch on the Intel P35 chipset?
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12:47<reflect>how do I install icon packages in gnome?
12:51<padski>war: dunno. did you try lenny ? there is a backport of newer kernels for etch
12:51<war>going to try this
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12:52<padski>war: do you need .23 ?
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12:52<padski>war: if not there is .22 at§ion=all&suite=etch-backports
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12:53<padski>I got the impresion that the switch to .23 was going to be a bit more of a leap, but I am often mistaken :-)
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12:54<padski>war: I'd forgotten about those. seems like a reasonable idea :-)
12:55<war>well just trying to get it installed right now, the debian installer is always 2-3 revisions behind for chipset support ;P
12:56<flawd>It seems that pidgin has the colors for nicks hardcoded in the source, so they are not affected by gtk themes. I wonder if I can edit the source for and recompile the debian pidgin package and then get securityupdates etc for it, or if its useless if i recompile myself and might just use the latest source for it.
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12:56<padski>war: all the action is up at the front. that's where the medals are being won :-)
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12:59<padski>flawd: you could try getting the patch in upstream
12:59<rbd>can anyone point me to some good debconf 'config' and 'template' script examples of error handling (e.g. gather some input via debconf dialogs, check that input using bash, then if it is not valid, signal an error dialog and allow the user to re-enter. The debconf programmer's guide I am looking at does not mention this
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13:01<flawd>padski, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you mean.
13:01<padski>rdb: I don't know, but I would have thought that packages in 'standard' would be a good place to look.
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13:02<rbd>I was looking through a few off of ...Ill keep trying some random ones that I remember using debconf unless you can mention one off the top of your head that has this kind of error handling
13:03<padski>flawd: ask the pidgin developers if they would take a patch.
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13:06<Guest193>alguem pode me dar um help... coisa rapida do menu do KDE?
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13:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
13:07<Guest193>obrigado.. sorry thank
13:07<flawd>padski, *nod*
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13:45<Usuario>hello, there exists a shell command wich returns the distro name of the installed linux ?
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13:46<Usuario>how can i know which distro and version i have?
13:46<Usuario>i connect to a server via ssh and im curious on that
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13:47<jonathan|roh>uname -a
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13:47<jonathan|roh>or just uname
13:47<Christmas>it doesn't show the name of the distro though
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13:48<Eulex>Christmas, it's not supposed to
13:48<Usuario>ok thanks!
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13:53<Usuario>it doesnt show me the distro name :(
13:53<anes>mnuhlszuyhjhnfuyt ] xtyd gv fghbh fujngoi fughlçufhgiur uihu fiuhgufhgiudfygfhgp9zurghizludfhgui ufhgiudfhgiu fughilufhgur fuhgilurfhgius fughliausdfhg ifuhgoaiure ufhbauioghupafhg giluarghoiuhuosfhgoif fiughoaiughoaiufhgoiaçgh lirugaoçsidhgoaiughouiafhgpoiuaf8rijapoier[[[EP=-O0RE09UITN RUTH0ÍRG NFIJÁ0E9RJG0QI9ERJG FUGHNjiojidfg fpouig?d0ifjgigd çogijhsijh giofjhsiojhi
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13:53<jonathan|roh>oh, sorry, I was guessing
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13:53<Eulex>Usuario, there's no single command that shows you the name of the distro
13:54<Usuario>shame :(
13:54<Eulex>but perhaps cat /etc/motd will work on most
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14:00<fxiny>he should get a -bxfyght :P
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14:03<aptituz>Usuario: I don't know how reliable it is under different distros, but you may try "lsb_release -a". In Debian this command is part of lsb-release
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14:14<rjent>Greetings, what file does alsamixer write the settings for audio out to?
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14:16<Usuario>aptituz: "lsb_release -a" worked great! it says fedora core release 5 (Bordeaux) Thanks !!
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14:25<maxamillion>minusvirus: hello
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14:43<panagos>why doesn't debian package the nvidia drivers like ubuntu does?
14:44<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
14:45<panagos>Ganneff: this is for lenny?
14:46<@Ganneff>read it
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14:47<panagos>where can i get nvidia-kernel-source from? aptitude doesn't find it...
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14:56<chealer>panagos: they're packaged for Debian, but they're not in lenny.
14:56<chealer>panagos: you can find it in stable or unstable.
14:57<Zeus>ðóññêèå åñòü )?*
14:57<panagos>Ganneff: do i need to use sid in order to install these?
14:58<panagos>do i need to use generally sid in order to install these?
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14:59<chealer>panagos: no
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15:00<panagos>chealer: i try to install it, but aptitude can't resolve dependencies!
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15:05<panagos>nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-100.14.19, which doesn't exist!
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15:13<istoc>Hi, how can I tell what graphical driver I'm using. Thanks.
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15:14<witte>istoc: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep -i driver
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15:14<witte>istoc: and there will be multiple, but kbd is keyboard, mouse is for (you will never guess) the mouse, and there will be an other one
15:15<witte>that should be the one you for the screen
15:15<istoc>looks like it's "ati"
15:15<istoc>are driver names that simple?
15:15<witte>istoc: yes
15:15<istoc>Heh, ok, thanks much
15:16<witte>istoc: why would anyone want to call the driver for an ati card something else than ati?
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15:16<istoc>iono, does't it have a version and couldn't there be different drivers for different graphics cards?
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15:17<witte>istoc: you can see what is supported by "man ati"
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15:17<witte>and there is one with a more complex name: fglrx, but that is non-free
15:18<dpkg>The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>.
15:18<dpkg>Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05 or ask about <radeonhd>
15:18<istoc>Yea, I'm trying to get a non-free one, I've heard I can get performance gains.
15:18<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
15:19<witte>istoc: ok, just follow the instuction dpkg gave you on the fglrx
15:19<istoc>I made a post since I'm guessing it's going to be a long process because I'm using PPC
15:19<istoc>There's no fglrx PPC binaries :(
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15:20<dli_>istoc, fglrx is always buggy, if you have to use 3d, it's the only way, unless your card is old enough
15:20<istoc>It's an old PoS laptop so I prolly won't need 3D
15:20<c4_>what packages does make xconfig needs of qtlib or qt* or something like that?
15:21<istoc>It prolly wouldn't be able to run beryl would it?
15:21<panagos>lenny's libc6 is version 2.6.x and sid's is 2.7.x; to install nvidia-glx, i need sid's libc6. doesn't that imply i'm moving from lenny to sid?
15:21<istoc>If I did enable 3D acceleration
15:22<witte>istoc: I have no idea, i do not have a fast enough graphics card to have 3d and I do not have ppc
15:22<istoc>How good of a graphics card do you need for 3d?
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15:22<witte>istoc: don't know, probably depends on the resolution and the speed you want
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15:23<witte>istoc: i just have a pci graphics card, not really high speed there
15:24<istoc>wow, that's pretty old
15:24<istoc>like 90's old
15:24<dli_>istoc, if it's old, not much beryl (compiz) either
15:24<dli_>istoc, you should use the open source driver, radeon
15:24<chealer>panagos: are you sure?
15:24<istoc>why did they rename it, beryl sounds so much cooler :(
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15:25<witte>istoc: well it not really new :-)
15:25<dli_>istoc, "lspci |grep -i vga", what's your card?
15:25<istoc>It's an ATI mobility 8MB, prolly can't get anything out of it
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15:27<dli_>istoc, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", choose "ati" driver
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15:28<istoc>Well, Im gonna go eat, thanks for all the help.
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15:28<chealer>c4_: did you check the documentation?
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15:31<rjent>anyone know on etch where alsamixer stores settings?
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15:34<panagos>chealer: yes :D - at least apt-get by default does that. now i have libc6 2.7-3 installed
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15:34<chealer>panagos: which architecture do you use?
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15:36<chealer>panagos: you don't need sid's libc6 to install nvidia-glx.
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15:39<panagos>chealer: but it was automatically upgraded...
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15:43<panagos>chealer: should i revert to libc6 2.6.1-1 from lenny?
15:43<chealer>panagos: no
15:43<panagos>because it seems i can afterall... :D
15:44<panagos>chealer: but by using libc6 2.7, aren't i sid?
15:44<chealer>panagos: you're using a part of sid
15:44<panagos>** officially ** ? ;)
15:44<panagos>chealer: if i remove not sid from sources.list, will there be problems?
15:45<panagos>because i don't want to dive into sid (yet)
15:45<chealer>panagos: not if you have setup a proper testing/unstable mix
15:45<panagos>** chealer: if i remove now sid from sources.list, will there be problems?
15:45<chealer>panagos: no
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15:46<panagos>chealer: if i have sid in my sources.list, doesn't that mean that from now on, all new packages will be from sid? e.g. when i run apt-get upgrade etc
15:46<chealer>panagos: not if you have setup a proper testing/unstable mix
15:46<panagos>what do you mean by that?
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15:46<panagos>chealer: what do you mean by that?
15:47<chealer>!tell panagos about tum
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15:52<panagos>chealer: if i do what it says in <tum>, then by default packages will be fetched and installed from testing, right?
15:52<chealer>panagos: yes
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15:57<panagos>chealer: thanks for the help/tolerance!
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16:09<OSuKaRu^-^>i have problems with a pair of modules
16:10<OSuKaRu^-^>Someone can help me?
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16:14<flawd>I just removed kdm from starting up at boot and then I noticed that when i login by "startx" the fonts are much larger. How can I set in xorg.conf to get the samefontsize that kdm made the X server have somehow?
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16:18<puffy>sorry i've got a problem - my backslach doesn't work (i use kde) in laptop what should I do ?
16:18<lupine>get the right keymap? :)
16:19<OSuKaRu^-^>that's what im going to say
16:19<chealer>OSuKaRu^-^: not unless you explain how you can be helped.
16:19<Supaplex>it's not kde. it's a keymap *backlash* because it's misconfigured. ;)
16:20<amphi>flawd: you can change the dpi in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc perhaps
16:20<flawd>amphi, *nod*
16:20<puffy>thank you for response
16:20<flawd>amphi, I just wonder what dpi I used to have also
16:20<OSuKaRu^-^>about my problem...
16:21<amphi>flawd: try 75 ;) I expect it's using 100 ATM
16:21<flawd>I'll brb shortly and we'll see
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16:21<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: pay attention to what dpkg says,
16:21<Supaplex>dpkg: ownership support
16:21<dpkg>A reoccuring theme on IRC is <ask to ask>. Ownership[1] is best /assumed/ here. Please feel at ease to <ask> anytime. This greatly reduces your time to wait, and our agnst to know more. [1] aka Can/Will we help you with that. Case management, technical support etc.
16:22<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: try asking more about the issue, and less about getting help
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16:25<OSuKaRu^-^>a pair of modules doesn't work me
16:25<OSuKaRu^-^>snd-hda-intel and libata
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16:30<puffy>flawd: does it work?
16:30<flawd>puffy, yeah it seemed that 96 DPI was most like how it was before
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16:31<puffy>let's show time
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16:44<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: how does libata not work? Apparently you have no sound but have hardware snd-hda-intel should support, right?
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16:50<OSuKaRu^-^>Supaplex that's right. so i dont explain why dosnt work
16:50<OSuKaRu^-^>(sorry. i was dinning)
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16:53<OSuKaRu^-^>sorry by my English. Im quite nervious.
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16:57<Supaplex>!don't work
16:57<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message".
16:57<dpkg>rumour has it, alsa is or see <alsa install> or <alsa-checklist>
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16:58<knoppix_>can someone talk in emnglish
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16:58<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: yea, I'm lost to. you say it's broken. what's libata and why do you think it's not working? What do you expect it to do? What' happening instead?
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16:59<Supaplex>OSuKaRu^-^: did you follow the wiki on using alsa?
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16:59<OSuKaRu^-^>dpkg. i try to explain. Joust doesn't work. i write lsmod an( there they are, but unused. iI tryed everything I get in forums and stuff but dont work
16:59<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
17:00<OSuKaRu^-^>libata suposed to detect the ata drives (lijke my Sata hard disk)
17:00<OSuKaRu^-^>i just dont find my Sata disk
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17:02<OSuKaRu^-^>and in the sound factor, is a bit more strange
17:02<Supaplex>cat /proc/partitions is it in there? - do not paste.
17:02<OSuKaRu^-^>sometimes, work perflectly, and the rest of the time dont work at all
17:02<Supaplex>is there any application what will play sound for you?
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17:02<OSuKaRu^-^>what do you mean?
17:03<OSuKaRu^-^>like XMMS?
17:03<Supaplex>like *anything*
17:03<Supaplex>so xmms works, but others do not
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17:03<OSuKaRu^-^>totem, mplayer...
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17:04<Supaplex>only joust fails?
17:04<OSuKaRu^-^>no. or every sound system works or every sound system fails
17:04<OSuKaRu^-^>that simple
17:04<Supaplex>you're definition of the issue is lacking. EAGAIN.
17:04<OSuKaRu^-^>sometimes, works, but it crashes when i restart the pc
17:05<OSuKaRu^-^>XD sorry, but i can't explain it bettter
17:06<Supaplex>oh so it's either all or nothing for sound.
17:06<Supaplex>it'll work in everything, then later none of those work again
17:07<OSuKaRu^-^>and, one day, miracously, work again
17:07<OSuKaRu^-^>but, when i restart, it fails again
17:07<Supaplex>strange. I'd keep going, but I'm worn out on defining the problem. :P
17:08<OSuKaRu^-^>im trien once and twice to config the sound correctly, but dont succeed
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17:11<OSuKaRu^-^>allo mankod
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17:13<mankod>OSuKaRu^-^, hola
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17:13<OSuKaRu^-^>ah! un hispanoparlante
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17:15<OSuKaRu^-^>mankod. quizas tu me puedas ayudar
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17:16<OSuKaRu^-^>tengo un problema con un par de modulos
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17:49<flawd>I'm trying to decrease the programs taking up ram on my system. So far I have switched to fluxbox as WM and now I am looking for what xterminal to replace xterm with. Is rxvt the one which uses least memory?
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17:51<witte>flawd: is xterm that resourse hungry?
17:52<witte>flawd: apt-cache tells me xvt is: X terminal-emulator similar to xterm, but smaller
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17:52<Supaplex>let's recompile everything with uclibc!
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18:16<jim51>Hi, I have an IBM Thinkpad T22 notebook that has dual boot of Win2K and Debian. I can bootup in either OS when on battery, but on the IBM docking station boot can't find the Linux partition. Does anyone here know what is wrong?
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18:17<witte>does the docking station also have a hard disk in it
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18:17<Supaplex>jim51: was debian installed on battery? grub or lilo?
18:17<witte>or any device that could have a /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* entry
18:17<jim51>It has a bay but no HD. Just a floppy.
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18:18<jim51>Debian was installed on battery with lilo.
18:19<Supaplex>I wonder how grub would perform in comparison
18:20<jim51>Would an alternate boot in lilo for the dock fix this?
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18:20<Supaplex>does the kernel load?
18:20<Supaplex>even if it panics?
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18:21<Supaplex>does lilo boot first?
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18:21<jim51>I couldn't get Grub to work.
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18:21<jim51>Yes lilo does show correctly.
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18:22<Supaplex>so after POST, lilo loads first. not ntldr, right?
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18:23<Supaplex>strange lilo knows how to chainload ntldr, but has issues with loading the kernel.
18:23<Supaplex>what issues did you have with grub? I've got better footing in that areana
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18:25<jim51>I had trouble with grub because ntldr had some strange problem that I finally fixed with the troubleshooting mode being updated to fix the ntldr.
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18:29<jim51>does the floppy drive change the sequence of the storage devices for the udev?
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18:31<adamtindale>i have a quick question about alsa. Is this a good place to ask?
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18:33<lupine>so long as it's alsa on debian...
18:33<adamtindale>lenny on ppc
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18:33<adamtindale>i am running into the problem where i have to run alsaconf on every reboot in order to get it to work
18:34<adamtindale>the modules i need are being loaded, but udev doesn't seem to create /dev/dsp
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18:34<adamtindale>if i run udevtrigger it doesn't seem to help
18:34<adamtindale>but if i run alsaconf everything runs just fine
18:35<adamtindale>what is the step i am missing? or where can i go to read about it?
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18:38<ptr>I'm using usbmount on etch. usbmount mounts a device on, say, /media/usb0
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18:39<ptr>the entry in /etc/mtab is listed as /dev/sdb1 on /usb1 type vfat (rw,nodev,noatime,uid=20965)
18:39<ptr>where 20965 is my uid
18:39<ptr>When I try to unmount it, though, umount exits immediately, informing me that only root may unmount the device.
18:39<ptr>I may have just answered my question
18:40<gaston>;) did you sudo'd the command for unmounting?
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18:40<ptr>no, I didn't
18:40<ptr>and I didn't answer the question, it seems
18:40<ptr>I *want* normal users to be able to unmount devices that have been mounted this way
18:41<ptr>So, given that both the 'user' and 'uid' options were specified, why can't they?
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18:41<Eulex>ptr, 20965? wow.
18:41<gaston>goes beyond my knowledge.. the only thing I can imagine: your users are grouped in a group.. this group needs right to do your stuff. go find the group that's needed?
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18:42<gaston>like users need audio or other stuff, if you look in the /etc/group file
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18:43<ptr>:-\ Suppose it's possible.... but it's not like there's a device the user needs access to (to which they do not already have access), nor is it like some group id was specified at mount time
18:43<ptr>least, not as far as I can tell
18:43<ptr>Ah well, I'll keep looking
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18:45<gaston>btw, the uid etc. is only used for giving the write rights on the file-access, not for (un)mounting.
18:46<ptr>Yeah, that's what it's looking like
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18:46<ptr>so where is it notated which user mounted a filesystem (and thus has the right to unmount it)? I'm guessing /usr/share/usbmount/usbmount is running as root
18:46<ptr>would be nice if there was a way to specify at mount time that a *different* user should be allowed to unmount
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18:49<gaston>some different approach:
18:49<ptr>though.... if usbmount is running as root, it shouldn't be hard for it to change users before mounting
18:49<gaston>what are the rights of your /media/usb0 ?
18:50<gaston>if you change this to a group that your users belong to, could this be of any help?
18:50<ptr>root:root. However, if I mount the device myself, I can unmount it.
18:50<gaston>exactly... could you try it with other user:group settings?
18:50<gaston>I'm curious now...
18:50<ptr>No, but what I'm saying
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18:51<ptr>is that if I, as a normal user, do 'mount /dev/sdb1 /usb1', I can the unmount it as that user
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18:52<ptr>which I think means that the owner and group of the mountpoint are irrelevant, as, if they were relevant, the above wouldn't be true
18:52<gaston>hmm, okay. didn't got that info. and you want other users to unmount stuff that doesn't belong to them?
18:52<gaston>yes, you're right
18:52<gaston>I'm out of options.
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18:53<ptr>/dev/sdb1 appears automatically, owned by gdmuser:root, where gdmuser is whoever's logged in via gdm
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18:53<ptr>I want them to be able to mount /dev/sdb1, which they own.
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18:53<ptr>to a mountpoint which they're allowed to mount to in /etc/fstab.
18:53<ptr>they already can do this, manually
18:54<ptr>but I'd like to make it automatic, so that it mounts when the device is detected
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18:56<gaston>that looks almost like a default process, just the unmounting thing would need a manual kick. A look into google :
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18:59<ptr>that post, so far as I can tell, tells me what I already know---that I can mount them as root, and that I can also stick a line in fstab to allow users to do the same
19:00<ptr>Also, that kde's HAL magic will mount it for me as soon as its detected. IE, instead of usbmount
19:00<ptr>but not all users are using kde
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19:01<gaston>I'm sure that your setup goes beyond my mind. Let me shut up so others can speak ;)
19:02<ptr>thanks anyway
19:02<gaston>no prob
19:02<ptr>I'm feeling kind of dumb; I'm sure the answer's simple, and I've just neglected to read some man page
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19:11<ptr>A simplified version of my question:
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19:12<ptr>Does anyone know of a way to specify at mount time which users may *unmount* a device? Allowing the users to run umount as root is not an option.
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19:14<MikkLinux>during install?
19:14<dondelelcaro>the user who mounted the device is that person, unless you're running something as root which can umount things
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19:35<MikkLinux>yes we know dude... we know
19:35<MikkLinux>believe me we know
19:35<MikkLinux>all to well
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20:28<Arv3n>How do I install Kickoff on Debian Etch?
20:30<abrotman>what is kickoff?
20:30<Arv3n>The SUSE kicker menu.
20:30<Arv3n>it looks and feels a lot nicer imo.
20:30<abrotman>compile it?
20:30<Arv3n>is that the only way?
20:31<abrotman>is it packaged for debian?
20:31<Arv3n>not in main/contrib/non-free i believe.
20:32<abrotman>can you get it as an RPM ?
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20:35<abrotman>i'm still not sure what it is .. but you might be able to use alien to convert it
20:36<abrotman>Arv3n: alternately ... ask #debian-kde on
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20:40<chealer>abrotman: freenode's #debian-kde is useless, better ask here
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20:42<abrotman>chealer: guess my opinion :)
20:43<abrotman>12 vs 28 ... all sleeping :)
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21:11<MikkLinux>meh - kickoff just seems like a resource hog
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21:24<grigric>oups, hello every body
21:25<grigric>excuse me, i have not seen that's an english irc
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21:25<Mordkopierer>you know, it doesnt realy seem to matter as theyre all asleep
21:27<witte>Mordkopierer: it is important that you touch your keyboard very gently in order to limit the noise, otherwise you'll wake everybody up :-)
21:27<Mordkopierer>and im a german, from "te near rine "region, so i hate frenchs naturaly.. see? you dont need to worry, youre in the best hands
21:27[~]Mordkopierer iptoes
21:28[~]Mordkopierer adds silently an T
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21:29<witte>I'm also not that far from the French border (+/- 100 km) but not in Germany ;-)
21:30<soberon>Good evenning... Please: An advise or link to a "how-to" upgrade from sarge to etch?
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21:30<dpkg>sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security>
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21:30<witte>!release notes
21:30<dpkg>i heard release notes is
21:30<dpkg>Put "deb stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security>
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21:31<witte>!tell Zeus about away
21:32<Mordkopierer>!tell Zeus about the fuck the god do by theyr absense
21:32<soberon>So... with these source in my sources.list is enough?... or comment the sarge sources?
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21:33<witte>soberon: well, you start with reading the links dpkg gave you, and then changing the sources.list to etch and doing everythign in accordance with the documents
21:33<gsimmons>soberon: The procedures in the Etch release notes are quite comprensive. They detail all of the necessary steps to perform.
21:34<soberon>All right!... Thanks a lot Witte+Gsimmons+Dpkg
21:35<soberon>See you
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21:35<witte>soberon: good luck!
21:35<Mordkopierer>hm, let me keep this simple, if i would ask for help would anyone answer " type: /server help"?
21:36<witte>Mordkopierer: probably that depends on what you ask
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21:37<Mordkopierer>hehe, actually, i just look for a chanel with more or less grown up people to hang out with, witte
21:38<witte>Mordkopierer: no problem, this is no chat channel anyhow
21:41<Mordkopierer>oh, well? it isnt..? what generaly did i misunderstand at IRC then?
21:41<DarkX>this is more of a support channel
21:41<DarkX>if you wish to talk join #offtopic
21:41<witte>Mordkopierer: well, it is a debian support channel, no "asl" thng
21:42<Mordkopierer>ok, thanks
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21:51<f3d>ubuntu = hooah
21:52<witte>f3d: i agree, it is awfull
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21:55<f3d>i prefer freebsd
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21:57<DarkX>see but f3d this is a debian channel..not freeBSD or Ubuntu
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22:57<Concrete>whats the latest in debian software?
22:58<petemc>latest what?
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23:00<Supaplex>Concrete: topic
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23:42<cvarrick>quick question: if i do apt-get install it used to prompt y/n to install, now it it assumes yes. Did i toggle a setting somewhere?
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23:44<cvarrick>or did the default behaviour change?
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23:45<petemc>i thought it asks you for more than one package
23:45<petemc>i might be wrong tho
23:45<aletornw>i just installed debian lenny base and i don't know how to install kde
23:46<petemc>tried aptitude install kde
23:46<gsimmons>!install kde
23:46<dpkg>The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see
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23:47<aletornw>oh thanks for the link
23:48<aletornw>but with aptitude install kde it will download it from internet or use the dvd?
23:48<petemc>depends whats in /etc/apt/sources.list
23:49<aletornw>it's a fresh install
23:49<aletornw>from the lenny dvd
23:49<petemc>same applies
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23:50<aletornw>and to install kde4rc1 what should i do?
23:51<petemc>a lot of reading
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23:54<aletornw>i have already read a lot
23:54<aletornw>i got tutorials for ubuntu
23:54<aletornw>but not for debian
23:55<petemc>you'll find support for running beta software to be lacking
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23:57<aletornw>sorry i don't know a lot of english
23:57<aletornw>what should i do?
23:57<petemc>your english seems fine
23:58<aletornw>oh great
23:59<aletornw>i was a kubuntu user
23:59<aletornw>but now i want to know how to do the things by myself
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